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| 00:48.27 | doughecka | nope |
| 00:48.29 | doughecka | sorry, go away |
| 00:48.37 | doughecka | :P |
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| 00:51.52 | wackula | :( |
| 00:52.18 | rev|desk | HAHA |
| 00:52.23 | rev|desk | COUNT WACKULA |
| 00:52.34 | wackula | killed over a nick |
| 00:52.37 | wackula | how gay |
| 00:52.54 | Metal` | ugh |
| 00:54.10 | Metal` | how does one make/unmake an ipk ? |
| 00:54.44 | doughecka | fish |
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| 00:57.19 | Metal` | fish? |
| 00:57.52 | Metal` | no |
| 01:02.50 | doughecka | maybe you need a gzip |
| 01:03.47 | hExml | i was wondering |
| 01:03.55 | hExml | java on oz? |
| 01:04.07 | sharpie | tar xzvf file.ipk |
| 01:04.31 | doughecka | hExml: dont ask me how. |
| 01:04.37 | doughecka | but I hear someone has a ipkg |
| 01:04.38 | doughecka | or somethin |
| 01:05.49 | hExml | interesting |
| 01:06.00 | hExml | it's preinstalled on the default sharp os |
| 01:06.01 | hExml | right? |
| 01:06.12 | doughecka | yupper |
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| 01:06.26 | doughecka | hey guest |
| 01:06.29 | doughecka | I bet ur new here |
| 01:06.37 | hExml | nah, guest is old school |
| 01:06.41 | hExml | :) |
| 01:06.47 | hExml | i see him everywhere |
| 01:07.09 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:07.49 | doughecka | nooooooo |
| 01:07.52 | hExml | there he goes |
| 01:07.52 | hExml | yes |
| 01:07.59 | hExml | :~( |
| 01:08.10 | doughecka | I thought it was :`( |
| 01:08.17 | doughecka | or :'( |
| 01:08.21 | hExml | mwell then what the hell is ~ |
| 01:08.25 | doughecka | nose |
| 01:08.30 | doughecka | or boss |
| 01:08.31 | doughecka | :P |
| 01:08.31 | hExml | :c| |
| 01:08.33 | doughecka | no |
| 01:08.40 | hExml | c is a nose |
| 01:08.44 | hExml | :c) |
| 01:08.46 | doughecka | boss is ]:) |
| 01:08.48 | hExml | :c( |
| 01:08.58 | hExml | :~< |
| 01:09.01 | doughecka | pointy haired thing |
| 01:09.06 | hExml | ahh |
| 01:09.06 | doughecka | 3:-0 |
| 01:09.10 | hExml | dilbert's boss |
| 01:09.14 | doughecka | thats the bosses boss |
| 01:09.21 | doughecka | =:-} |
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| 01:09.37 | Metal` | :| |
| 01:09.48 | hExml | o<3-< |
| 01:09.59 | doughecka | oGMo: HeY hOw aRe YoU DoInG//?/?/? |
| 01:10.03 | doughecka | we are lamerz |
| 01:10.04 | doughecka | :P |
| 01:10.14 | oGMo | yes, you are |
| 01:10.19 | oGMo | ;) |
| 01:10.21 | doughecka | we are! |
| 01:10.40 | hExml | well it's not a starwars channel.. |
| 01:10.43 | hExml | so it could be worse |
| 01:11.27 | doughecka | I AM your father |
| 01:11.29 | doughecka | really |
| 01:11.54 | hExml | damn |
| 01:11.58 | fusion94 | oGMo: hush and go back to #gah |
| 01:12.06 | hExml | genome at home? |
| 01:12.21 | oGMo | fusion94: i'm always in #gah |
| 01:12.30 | fusion94 | oGMo: that's your problem :P |
| 01:12.33 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:12.35 | oGMo | nope |
| 01:12.39 | hExml | what is gah |
| 01:12.41 | oGMo | #gah is the world |
| 01:12.46 | oGMo | gah is gah |
| 01:12.54 | hExml | i thought freenode only had channels that made sense |
| 01:12.57 | oGMo | it's where all the people from #E took refuge |
| 01:13.07 | oGMo | hExml: what like #zaurus? |
| 01:13.08 | oGMo | ;) |
| 01:13.31 | hExml | #zaurus is in the top 20 visible chans |
| 01:13.32 | doughecka | hahha |
| 01:13.57 | hExml | i like #flood |
| 01:14.06 | doughecka | flood is the best |
| 01:14.26 | doughecka | can I go there and post the whole kernel source code? |
| 01:14.27 | sharpie | #cake tastes better |
| 01:14.33 | oGMo | i like that one channel you join which autoklines you |
| 01:14.37 | hExml | dough, yes |
| 01:14.44 | oGMo | i'd tell you what it was, but lilo wouldn't liek me then |
| 01:14.58 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:14.59 | doughecka | whats it? |
| 01:15.10 | doughecka | I have a few people who could use it |
| 01:15.49 | oGMo | no |
| 01:16.05 | hExml | :) |
| 01:16.11 | doughecka | bah |
| 01:16.13 | doughecka | ur no fun |
| 01:16.23 | hExml | are you guys going to listen to the big debate? |
| 01:16.25 | hExml | tonight |
| 01:16.30 | doughecka | no |
| 01:16.48 | hExml | oh |
| 01:16.48 | oGMo | what debate? |
| 01:16.52 | doughecka | what debate? |
| 01:17.17 | hExml | an astronomer vs. a telepathic lady that speaks to aliens |
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| 01:17.28 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:17.30 | doughecka | in here? |
| 01:17.32 | hExml | not here |
| 01:17.35 | hExml | on the radio |
| 01:17.47 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:17.48 | doughecka | sucks |
| 01:17.53 | hExml | she says that the earth is going to stop rotating soon |
| 01:17.54 | doughecka | shucks |
| 01:17.55 | hExml | in a few days |
| 01:17.58 | doughecka | oh really? |
| 01:18.00 | hExml | yep |
| 01:18.04 | doughecka | is that so? |
| 01:18.05 | doughecka | well |
| 01:18.59 | fdask | shoutcast? |
| 01:19.24 | hExml | many stations have it |
| 01:20.01 | ljp | good thing I have my gravity boots |
| 01:20.08 | doughecka | hmm, whats the channel that klines you? |
| 01:20.11 | hExml | http://www.coasttocoastam.com/ |
| 01:20.17 | hExml | read the upper right schedule |
| 01:20.27 | hExml | he will destroy her |
| 01:20.33 | hExml | she is a lunatic |
| 01:22.09 | hExml | [21:21] <TU> how do i get a date from a unix timestamp? |
| 01:22.21 | hExml | [21:21] <hExml> TU: you really should start dating girls instead |
| 01:22.34 | doughecka | post it to bash.org! hurry! |
| 01:24.25 | hExml | what is that |
| 01:24.39 | hExml | oh |
| 01:24.41 | hExml | nah |
| 01:24.59 | hExml | my retort wasn't tight enough |
| 01:26.07 | doughecka | bah |
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| 02:15.41 | doughecka | I allwats wanted to be on tv |
| 02:20.26 | chouimat | doughecka: bah :) |
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| 02:36.29 | nerdboy | http://www.valleyofthegeeks.com/News/Minister.html |
| 02:37.08 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:38.11 | a8ksh4 | :-) |
| 02:38.49 | nerdboy | that picture is classic |
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| 03:55.45 | rev|pda | hey |
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| 04:05.35 | nerdboy | hey hey |
| 04:06.07 | rev|pda | sup nerdo |
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| 04:13.46 | nerdboy | got the opie client? |
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| 04:27.26 | rev|pda | ? |
| 04:27.27 | rev|pda | for irc? |
| 04:27.27 | rev|pda | nope |
| 04:27.36 | rev|pda | i'm ircing from IrcCE on my Jornada 720 |
| 04:28.16 | rev|pda | night |
| 04:28.22 | rev|pda | chouimaT that is |
| 04:28.35 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:38.15 | bronson | Hey, what's a .zac file? Short for Zaurus Archive? |
| 04:38.17 | bronson | http://www.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/geisler/zau/zasteroid.html |
| 04:38.29 | bronson | Just curious... |
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| 05:02.49 | Greensky | heyaz, I'm thinking about getting a zaurus and have some questions about the dif. between 5500 and 5600 version.. |
| 05:03.05 | fdask | what questions |
| 05:03.48 | Greensky | what are the differences between them? |
| 05:04.27 | Greensky | is the 5500 memory just ram so if it crashes you lose data or ? and the 5600 has a flash rom? |
| 05:11.20 | a8ksh4 | realisticly, youre going to want to put a storage card in either one that you get; if you save your documents to one of those, you'll be fine if they crash or something |
| 05:12.45 | bronson | Greensky: they put less RAM and more flash in the 5600. |
| 05:12.57 | bronson | Personally, if they're the same price, I'd go for the 5500. |
| 05:13.06 | bronson | If not, I'd go for whichever is cheaper. |
| 05:13.28 | bronson | I'm a 5500 owner, that opinion isn't totally impartial. :) |
| 05:16.50 | Greensky | bronson: do you 'sync' your zaurus with a Linux machine at all? does it have a calendar program that can read .ics formatted calendars? |
| 05:17.07 | Greensky | the 5500 is a lot cheaper |
| 05:17.12 | CarlosOliva | you can use qtopia desktop for linux for that |
| 05:17.25 | Greensky | CarlosOliva: got a url? |
| 05:17.34 | bronson | Greensky: I rsync. I haven't set up syncing. I don't use the calendar at all. |
| 05:17.48 | Greensky | bronson: rsync over ssh over tcp? |
| 05:17.54 | bronson | yep |
| 05:18.00 | Greensky | cool, I can do that... :P |
| 05:18.04 | CarlosOliva | http://www.trolltech.com/download/qtopia/index.html?cid=6 |
| 05:20.21 | Greensky | how is the battery life of them... how about when you are using one with a wireless card? |
| 05:20.53 | bronson | I only use it with the wireless card (D-Link 660W), and I get about 1.5-2 hours depending on what I'm doing. |
| 05:20.54 | bronson | Not a lot. |
| 05:21.29 | Greensky | CarlosOliva: http://www.trolltech.com/screenshots/qtopia.html?cid=6 <-- are all these programs in that qtopia desktop? |
| 05:21.43 | Greensky | bronson: yeah not a ton, but I suppose you can always plug it in if you need to... |
| 05:22.06 | bronson | Greensky: mine spends most of its time turned off. :) |
| 05:22.12 | bronson | Lasts for days... |
| 05:22.45 | Greensky | bronson: and if it crashes would you lose your data since it's all in sdram? |
| 05:23.15 | bronson | Theoretically. However, it's got a cap or small battery or something protecting it. |
| 05:23.24 | bronson | It's rare to lose the contents of RAM, even when flashing. |
| 05:23.33 | bronson | I've never heard of a crash wiping RAM. |
| 05:23.43 | Greensky | cool... |
| 05:24.31 | Greensky | ok, one last annoying question... If you get a flash card or a micro-drive or some sort of additional data for it... |
| 05:24.57 | Greensky | can you just mount those as something like /opt/extra or something |
| 05:25.17 | bronson | Yep. I think it's on /mnt/cf. |
| 05:25.21 | Greensky | and then just rsync to that extra memory and also run programs off it? |
| 05:25.51 | bronson | Yep. Get a card reader for your desktop machine, load it up, jam it in your Zaurus, and use it. Straightforward. |
| 05:26.10 | Greensky | why would you need a card reader for your desktop? |
| 05:26.11 | gaurdian | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.13 | gaurdian | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.49 | bronson | Cuz USB networking sucks bad, and if the CF slot has a microdrive in it, you can't plug into ethernet/wireless... |
| 05:27.13 | fdask | whats bad about usb networking |
| 05:27.19 | Greensky | ahh, can you put memory in the SD/MMC card slot? |
| 05:27.30 | bronson | I've got a 256 MB SD card. |
| 05:27.41 | bronson | fdask: you ever used it? I spent a few afternoons trying to get it to work. |
| 05:27.52 | Greensky | bronson: how much did it cost? |
| 05:28.03 | fdask | i've usb networked, but not with a zaurus |
| 05:28.09 | fdask | bronson, do you come from a windows background? |
| 05:28.19 | bronson | My desktop kernel kept panicking, and it would corrupt any file over a few hunnert K. |
| 05:28.31 | fdask | wow |
| 05:28.34 | bronson | fdask: Used Macs till 1998, Linux since then. Why? |
| 05:28.54 | bronson | Greensky: $70 at a local shop, Central Computer. |
| 05:28.56 | fdask | just askin |
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| 05:29.48 | Greensky | bronson: not a bad price... |
| 05:29.48 | bronson | Theoretically, 2.4.21 includes USB drivers that work. |
| 05:29.56 | bronson | Haven't tried them yet. |
| 05:30.18 | bronson | That's why I bought it. :) That was on Sunday. |
| 05:30.53 | Greensky | I'm assuming that it's just some sort of standard expansion slot.. |
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| 05:33.30 | Greensky | well thanks for the help... the Zaurus seems badass... |
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| 06:08.00 | Wolf-Z | anyone have a working ident daemon yet? |
| 06:10.52 | fliplap | shouldn't be hard to compile |
| 06:11.23 | Wolf-Z | heh, tried already |
| 06:12.05 | fliplap | in fact, given a few minutes, and assuming you have netcat installed on your Z, you could probably just write one |
| 06:12.59 | Wolf-Z | rather just port one over but I havn't been successful |
| 06:13.42 | fliplap | i mean heck, the ident rfc is only 7 pages long |
| 06:13.46 | Wolf-Z | I found an ident daemon thats only 400 lines in 1 c file, but when you run the cross-compiled binary on the Z it doesn't work |
| 06:15.09 | Wolf-Z | you have a cross-compiler setup? |
| 06:15.17 | fliplap | yeah |
| 06:15.54 | Wolf-Z | feel like giving it a try? :P |
| 06:17.19 | Wolf-Z | ftp://ftp.daforest.org/users/wolf/pimpd.tar.gz |
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| 06:21.19 | frankps | mornign |
| 06:21.25 | frankps | morning |
| 06:21.49 | Wolf-Z | if I can get a working binary I'm gona submit it as an ipkg to all the different feeds |
| 06:21.56 | fliplap | frankly, it doesnt look like irc servers care if you give a valid ident response anymore, as long as its the right format |
| 06:21.58 | Wolf-Z | lo |
| 06:23.09 | Wolf-Z | well this one doesn't seem to care...but some others do |
| 06:23.23 | fliplap | no, i mean even the ones that care |
| 06:23.32 | fliplap | don't care what it says, as long as its in the right format |
| 06:24.07 | fliplap | for example a normal ident request from an irc server would look like |
| 06:24.10 | fliplap | 64034 , 6667 |
| 06:24.20 | fliplap | so a normal reply would be |
| 06:24.40 | fliplap | 64036, 6667 : USERID : UNIX : yourid |
| 06:25.01 | Wolf-Z | interesting theory |
| 06:25.05 | fliplap | presumably the yourid part should match the username you sent the server |
| 06:25.34 | fliplap | but testin a couple efnet servers says, they don't care what you send back, as long as its the right format |
| 06:26.11 | fliplap | so you could setup a netcat listener on port 113 that replied with "64036, 6667 : USERID : UNIX : yourid" to any request |
| 06:26.14 | Wolf-Z | but, it needs to be the right ports right? |
| 06:26.19 | fliplap | nope |
| 06:26.23 | Wolf-Z | hm |
| 06:26.39 | Wolf-Z | may need to modify this ident daemon :P |
| 06:27.30 | Wolf-Z | replace ERROR with USERID and have a default userid like 'anonymous' or something lol |
| 06:28.01 | fliplap | 66666 , 9000 : USERID : WESUCK : someuser -> [servercentral] *** Got Ident response |
| 06:28.20 | fliplap | it does seem to care that the first 2 fields contain #s |
| 06:33.43 | Wolf-Z | ok lets see if this works |
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| 06:34.13 | Wolf-Z | woot heh :P |
| 06:34.26 | fliplap | echo "66666 , 9000 : USERID : WESUCK : someuser" | netcat -l -p 113 |
| 06:34.29 | fliplap | there |
| 06:34.37 | fliplap | its ident |
| 06:36.04 | fliplap | its broken, not rfc compliant at all ident, but it works |
| 06:36.40 | Wolf-Z | by default my router dumps ident requests to my Linux box, so I just fixed up the ident daemon on there |
| 06:37.09 | Wolf-Z | if I'm ever connected directly to the internet with the Z, I'll just hafta be picky with what irc servers I use :) |
| 06:37.22 | fliplap | or just start that command before you connect |
| 06:37.29 | Wolf-Z | don't have netcat |
| 06:37.51 | fliplap | install it |
| 06:37.55 | fliplap | its in the OZ feeds |
| 06:38.09 | Wolf-Z | I didn't see it |
| 06:38.57 | fliplap | or socat |
| 06:39.43 | Wolf-Z | beh, no real need for it, I only really IRC with the Z from home |
| 06:40.01 | Wolf-Z | my rigged-up ident will work fine heh |
| 06:40.02 | fliplap | shrug, i use netcat a lot |
| 06:40.20 | Wolf-Z | send be the binary :P |
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| 06:41.19 | Wolf-Z | I wonder how you can check the battery from console |
| 06:41.28 | phoen][x | with 'apm' |
| 06:41.40 | Wolf-Z | ahh nice |
| 06:42.01 | Wolf-Z | Off-line, battery status high: 50% |
| 06:42.11 | phoen][x | :) |
| 06:42.20 | fliplap | when i was running the sharp rom i always used apm |
| 06:42.24 | Wolf-Z | probibly another 30-45mins left |
| 06:42.30 | fliplap | since the graphical deal didn't give you a percent |
| 06:42.45 | Wolf-Z | I switched to OZ pritty quick |
| 06:43.38 | Wolf-Z | I'm using a WiFi card so I only get about an hour and a half out of the battery |
| 06:44.53 | Wolf-Z | heh |
| 06:45.00 | Wolf-Z | they work with the Z? |
| 06:45.48 | phoen][x | http://www.trisoft.de/bilgps2.htm |
| 06:45.57 | phoen][x | german though |
| 06:46.36 | Wolf-Z | hm |
| 06:46.40 | phoen][x | would be great for the car |
| 06:47.08 | Wolf-Z | I wouldn't mind getting one of the CDMA modem cards from Sprint |
| 06:48.04 | phoen][x | but i wanted to show you the following neat piece of tech: http://www.trisoft.de/batterypack2.htm |
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| 06:48.36 | fliplap | while echo "READY"; do echo "66666 , 9000 : USERID : WESUCK : someuser" | netcat -l -p 113; done |
| 06:48.54 | phoen][x | your Z will work for 6-8hrs iirc |
| 06:49.07 | Wolf-Z | hm, can |
| 06:49.10 | fliplap | heh, ok there, its a one line, zaurus compatible, non-rfc compliant, restarts itself identd |
| 06:49.16 | Wolf-Z | can't quite look at that from console lol |
| 06:49.23 | CarlosOliva | lol |
| 06:49.36 | Wolf-Z | bitchx-1.0c18 linux 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix(frog) cypress.01jr1 ..furry |
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| 06:50.28 | fdask | phoen][x that thing looks cool |
| 06:50.28 | Wolf- | ok, whats the link again? |
| 06:51.05 | phoen][x | fdask: true. :) |
| 06:51.49 | Wolf- | phoen][x? |
| 06:52.44 | phoen][x | huh? |
| 06:52.54 | Wolf- | url for battery |
| 06:53.00 | phoen][x | ah mom |
| 06:53.03 | fdask | http://www.trisoft.de/batterypack2.htm |
| 06:53.08 | Wolf- | ta |
| 06:53.18 | phoen][x | http://www.trisoft.de/batterypack2.htm |
| 06:53.39 | Wolf- | doh, I can't read this lol |
| 06:54.01 | mspencer | http://mspencer.net/battery |
| 06:54.49 | Wolf- | lol |
| 06:54.54 | Wolf- | radioshack battery |
| 06:55.00 | mspencer | yup -- works like a charm :) |
| 06:55.14 | Wolf- | 6 volt tho |
| 06:55.19 | mspencer | 8 D cells == lots of 802.11b time :) |
| 06:55.33 | mspencer | naah, 4.7 V :) |
| 06:55.45 | mspencer | same as the AC adapter :) |
| 06:55.52 | Wolf- | rechargeable? |
| 06:56.09 | mspencer | Yes. I bought eight 9000 mAh NiMH D cells from batteriesamerica.com. |
| 06:56.22 | phoen][x | nimh aint that nice though |
| 06:56.24 | Wolf- | ahh that explains it |
| 06:56.41 | Wolf- | nimh are the best, until lithium comes out |
| 06:56.59 | mspencer | nice sometimes doesn't matter |
| 06:57.22 | phoen][x | not sure if the other thing does not come with liion |
| 06:57.25 | mspencer | the individual properties and measurable statistics that make up peoples opinions of 'nice' matter. Let's talk about those. :) |
| 06:57.51 | Wolf- | thats one hell of a mass of wires and batteries to carry around tho |
| 06:58.11 | mspencer | Yup. It fits my lifestyle though -- schoolbooks are coming with me anyway :) |
| 06:58.14 | Wolf- | tho 18Ah is worth it ;P |
| 06:58.27 | mspencer | yup yup ^__^ |
| 06:59.03 | Wolf- | and I work for RS currently and can get a discount on the parts and some batteries *G* |
| 06:59.12 | mspencer | cool :) |
| 07:00.22 | Wolf- | forgot to draw out a schmatic :P |
| 07:00.34 | mspencer | umm... ^__^ |
| 07:00.51 | Wolf- | hehe |
| 07:01.00 | phoen][x | heh |
| 07:01.54 | mspencer | (the batteries set me back $120-ish, though, and I still had to buy chargers...) |
| 07:02.09 | mspencer | btw, I want advice on something. |
| 07:02.19 | fdask | do u do your soldering on the back of a pan |
| 07:02.20 | mspencer | You see those soldered connections, where the wires meet the white connectors? |
| 07:02.23 | mspencer | yep |
| 07:02.26 | fdask | :) |
| 07:02.49 | mspencer | I'm not an expert at this stuff. I'm lucky I didn't burn myself while soldering. |
| 07:03.03 | mspencer | So...those connectors are way too stiff. The wires fatigue and break. |
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| 07:03.23 | mspencer | What kind of design can I use, so I still have pluggable unpluggable battery bricks, but I don't have wires fatiguing and breaking? |
| 07:03.37 | mspencer | (and yes I have inline fuses, so shorts don't actually hurt anything.) |
| 07:03.48 | Wolf- | why use them? I'd just use the adaptaplug ends to charge the entire thing |
| 07:04.09 | mspencer | I don't even use those for charging. I charge the individual batteries. |
| 07:04.17 | Wolf- | oh |
| 07:04.30 | mspencer | Hmm...and can that little wimpy length of wire handle a fast charge current? |
| 07:04.42 | mspencer | (C/2 or so?) |
| 07:04.51 | Wolf- | it can handle atleast 2 amps at 12 volts |
| 07:05.18 | mspencer | (C/2 for 3 hours...9000 mAh batteries...that's 4.5 amps at about 6 volts for 3 hours) |
| 07:05.21 | Wolf- | so 1-2 amps at 5-6 volts should be ok |
| 07:05.40 | mspencer | Hmm...OK, 1 amp, C/9, would take 13.5 hours to charge a depleted cell... |
| 07:05.45 | Wolf- | well, take 12 hours to charge :P |
| 07:05.51 | Wolf- | ok 13.5 lol |
| 07:05.53 | phoen][x | so how long does your zaurus run with it? |
| 07:06.04 | Wolf- | buy more batteries! |
| 07:06.06 | phoen][x | cut the math bloat |
| 07:06.08 | phoen][x | :) |
| 07:06.14 | mspencer | about...hmm, no hard figures... |
| 07:06.23 | mspencer | about two to three weeks of in-class usage. |
| 07:06.30 | phoen][x | neat |
| 07:06.46 | fdask | get hard figures |
| 07:07.02 | mspencer | Basically I treat it like a bottomless power supply, like it was wall power. I think I use it about 3 hours a day on that, and after about two to three weeks I find I have to charge the batteries. |
| 07:07.04 | fdask | write a boot script or something that starts a timer |
| 07:07.06 | mspencer | Actually, it's weird... |
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| 07:07.25 | mspencer | when the battery pack gets low, I'm cruising along and suddenly the backlight goes dark. Still operates though. |
| 07:07.46 | mspencer | If I unplug the adapter the battery meter shows <5% and it says "Charge the battery." |
| 07:08.03 | mspencer | I plug the adapter back in and it shows it's charging. Still no backlight though. |
| 07:08.24 | Wolf- | you should have a small voltmeter built-in |
| 07:08.29 | Wolf- | :) |
| 07:08.33 | mspencer | after a few minutes like that, the wireless network card stops operating. It still seems to be online, but packets don't go out. |
| 07:08.46 | mspencer | I wanted to put an ammeter inline, but couldn't find one with high enough currents. |
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| 07:08.51 | Wolf- | it's a big mess, what more can 1 little extra box hurt |
| 07:09.02 | mspencer | yeah :) |
| 07:09.07 | Wolf- | well voltage is what the Z cares about |
| 07:09.25 | Wolf- | it drops below 4v and it gets wierd :P |
| 07:09.37 | mspencer | and voltage drops under heavier current... |
| 07:10.02 | mspencer | well, when it starts acting like that, none of the cells individually test out under about 1.05V with trivial load... |
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| 07:10.21 | mspencer | oh wait, trivial load. They probably sag down to like 0.9v with full screen brightness and 802.11b on... |
| 07:11.56 | mspencer | but anyway, yeah, the c700 has horrible battery life, but the problem isn't noticable when I have that monster with me. :) |
| 07:12.41 | Wolf-Z | Off-line, battery status high: 35% |
| 07:12.46 | Wolf-Z | starting to get there |
| 07:12.48 | Wolf-Z | :P |
| 07:13.23 | Wolf- | you need a 22-402 |
| 07:14.06 | Wolf- | for some reason it's not on the site, but it's a volt meter with nice little bananna jack/screw down terminals |
| 07:14.33 | Wolf- | I use it to watch my voltage on my lead acid 12v 5ah batteries |
| 07:14.47 | mspencer | I know my design sucks, because I've been in to the shack twice now to buy new white connectors...had to resolder my crappy connections twice... |
| 07:15.07 | mspencer | so I say this humbly, even though it might sound like a challenge or something: how would you build it? What RS parts would be good for that kind of thing? |
| 07:15.12 | Wolf- | you should just loose the wite connectors |
| 07:15.18 | mspencer | yeah :) |
| 07:15.23 | Wolf- | white even |
| 07:15.37 | mspencer | should I buy a new enclosure, wide enough for both D cell holders? |
| 07:15.48 | Wolf- | nah |
| 07:16.00 | Wolf- | you'll have alot of wasted space |
| 07:16.11 | Wolf- | unless you wana mount a meter or two inside |
| 07:16.21 | mspencer | not really :) |
| 07:16.34 | Wolf- | you know you can setup an amp meter on it |
| 07:16.34 | mspencer | But I'd like to be able to bind and tie stuff together, so I don't have to worry about metal fatigue. |
| 07:16.53 | mspencer | the only multimeters with built-in ammeters high enough for the Z's load cost a pretty penny... |
| 07:16.54 | Wolf- | use the 0-500ma meter and use a resistor to drop it down to ~250ma |
| 07:17.04 | Wolf- | well |
| 07:17.13 | Wolf- | hmm right ya hm |
| 07:17.44 | Wolf- | need some kind of fixed load for it to test |
| 07:17.56 | Wolf- | but why bother, just use the volt meter :P |
| 07:18.06 | mspencer | besides, I think the Z can go as high as 1A, maybe 1.5A... |
| 07:18.15 | mspencer | yeah, probably right :) |
| 07:18.53 | Wolf- | the way I do mine, I have a car charger for my old iPAQ, which happens to take 5V 2A aswell with the same power jack |
| 07:19.09 | Wolf- | same polarity too |
| 07:19.38 | Wolf- | so, I built a little box with lotsa stuff all over it, including a cig lighter plug :) |
| 07:19.52 | mspencer | honestly, what I've got is wonderful -- my only wish is something that keeps the wires from stressing and breaking every few weeks as I move it around. |
| 07:20.19 | Wolf- | connect up 1 or 2 of my lead acid batteries to my box with bananna jacks, flip on the power, and plug in the adaptor :P |
| 07:20.40 | mspencer | yeah...which reminds me...people who see that IRL think I need to get a car battery next. |
| 07:20.47 | mspencer | It's really not that big...I don't get the joke. :) |
| 07:21.11 | mspencer | besides, car batteries are heavy, sulfate over when you let them sit discharged, and smell bad. |
| 07:22.19 | Wolf- | well...take some solid copper wire about 18aug and wrap it around the connector, then keep wraping out along the wire, and make the wraps farthur apart as you go out on the wire, simple :) |
| 07:22.37 | mspencer | Hmm... |
| 07:22.48 | mspencer | That makes too much sense :) |
| 07:22.59 | Wolf- | lol |
| 07:23.06 | mspencer | I'll try it next time I resolder the thing. (school's out, no real need for the pack right now) |
| 07:23.34 | Wolf- | 10ah is plenty for me |
| 07:24.09 | Wolf- | espcially since the car charger doesn't pull asmuch power as directly connecting the Z to a 5v power supply |
| 07:24.12 | mspencer | I wonder what fraction of my capacity is actually usable on the Z... |
| 07:24.16 | Wolf- | since it's dropping voltage ;) |
| 07:24.39 | Wolf- | well I can tell you the amp draw of a SL-5500 |
| 07:24.50 | mspencer | I don't know if a C700 is higher... |
| 07:25.01 | Wolf- | should be somewhere around the same range |
| 07:25.10 | Wolf- | second |
| 07:26.57 | Wolf-Z | now where is my damn meter |
| 07:32.00 | Wolf-Z | ok |
| 07:32.19 | Wolf-Z | backlight on full + WiFi + charging battery |
| 07:32.30 | Wolf-Z | 700-750ma |
| 07:32.49 | Wolf-Z | this is with the car charger |
| 07:32.56 | Wolf-Z | draw from 12v |
| 07:33.05 | Wolf-Z | I can't test the 5v side |
| 07:33.37 | Wolf-Z | wow |
| 07:33.55 | Wolf-Z | difference between full backlight and minimum is 200ma |
| 07:34.20 | fdask | how are you measuring that |
| 07:35.15 | Wolf-Z | well, I'm using a car charger (5v 2a max) to a 12 volt power supply |
| 07:35.44 | Wolf-Z | backlight at minimum setting takes 200ma less then at max setting |
| 07:39.18 | Wolf-Z | read/write to SD takes noticeable power too |
| 07:39.23 | Wolf-Z | interesting |
| 07:39.46 | Wolf-Z | wonder what the power draw is when playing an mp3 |
| 07:40.30 | Wolf-Z | interesting, increases by about 10ma |
| 07:41.38 | Wolf-Z | the amount of data transfer over wifi doesn't seem to affect the power draw |
| 07:42.57 | Wolf-Z | I wonder what the point of 'kapm-idled' is |
| 07:43.28 | Wolf-Z | use more power by running the CPU at max all the time? lol |
| 07:47.04 | fdask | void DrainBattery(void); |
| 07:47.36 | Wolf-Z | lol |
| 07:48.24 | Wolf-Z | I wana kill it, but I'm not sure of it's function |
| 07:49.58 | Wolf-Z | ah found FAQ |
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| 09:40.22 | djr_ | http://madz.hosttoday.co.uk/ |
| 09:40.23 | djr_ | funny |
| 09:47.19 | crusher | old |
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| 11:01.10 | djr | crusher: it has to do with sars which is new which is how can it be old already i think its fairly new |
| 11:41.44 | crusher | i saw that image first three weeks ago, djr |
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| 13:17.34 | pHluid | If price weren't an issue, would you guys buy an SL-5600 or an SL-5500? |
| 13:17.58 | doughecka | c700 |
| 13:18.06 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:18.10 | pHluid | c700 is unfortunately outside of it :) |
| 13:18.28 | pHluid | Unless you know where I could get one for > $500 |
| 13:19.03 | doughecka | I suppose a 5600 |
| 13:19.08 | pHluid | Work is covering the cost, but they've capped me at $550 |
| 13:19.09 | doughecka | just to have the latest |
| 13:19.22 | doughecka | but I use a 5500 |
| 13:19.34 | doughecka | never seen a 5600 |
| 13:19.38 | doughecka | so I dunno |
| 13:20.17 | pHluid | Hrm. |
| 13:20.30 | pHluid | I've already got a 5000d |
| 13:20.45 | doughecka | lol |
| 13:20.48 | pHluid | It's bricked |
| 13:20.59 | doughecka | get a 5500 and lots of cool parts |
| 13:20.59 | pHluid | But I could at least use the battery, cradle, etc |
| 13:21.05 | doughecka | memory, wifi, etc |
| 13:21.09 | pHluid | And there's better support |
| 13:21.17 | doughecka | yah |
| 13:21.35 | pHluid | but the 5600 has other niceties, like the extended battery life, stereo headphone jack, mic... |
| 13:21.53 | doughecka | 5500 has a stereo headphone jack dont it? |
| 13:21.57 | pHluid | Hrm |
| 13:22.00 | pHluid | Thought it was mono? |
| 13:22.06 | doughecka | they use it as an mp3 |
| 13:22.07 | pHluid | I know it's mono on my 5000d |
| 13:22.08 | doughecka | player |
| 13:22.48 | pHluid | Oh ah, says Stereo on Sharp's page |
| 13:23.18 | pHluid | Oh yeh, and the other downside of the 5600 is I'd be stuck on Sharp's ROM for a few months :) |
| 13:23.24 | doughecka | heh |
| 13:23.27 | doughecka | Stereo headphone jack included, Audio input (mono), buzzer / alarm |
| 13:23.36 | doughecka | Stereo headphone jack included, mic and mono speaker included. |
| 13:23.53 | doughecka | 96MB Total |
| 13:23.53 | doughecka | 32MB SDRAM |
| 13:23.53 | doughecka | 64MB Protected Flash - secure memory for storing PIM info and applications. |
| 13:23.58 | doughecka | 64MB SDRAM |
| 13:23.58 | doughecka | 16MB FLASH ROM |
| 13:24.09 | doughecka | the 5600 is "better" |
| 13:24.11 | doughecka | I guess |
| 13:24.20 | doughecka | but I would wait till they drop in price |
| 13:24.51 | pHluid | I'm not paying for it. |
| 13:24.57 | doughecka | yea... |
| 13:25.05 | doughecka | brb |
| 13:29.17 | pHluid | Any recommendations for a wireless card? |
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| 13:42.39 | doughecka | no |
| 13:42.42 | doughecka | I dont have one |
| 13:42.52 | doughecka | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport |
| 13:42.54 | doughecka | there :) |
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| 13:44.22 | pHluid | gracias |
| 13:44.36 | doughecka | wierd |
| 13:44.41 | doughecka | my Z keeps dieing |
| 13:44.45 | doughecka | it wont turn on |
| 13:44.52 | doughecka | I have to remove the battery |
| 13:44.57 | doughecka | wont even charge |
| 13:45.04 | pHluid | That's what my 5000d |
| 13:45.10 | pHluid | ...did, before it died. |
| 13:45.16 | doughecka | hmm |
| 13:45.19 | doughecka | must be OZ |
| 13:45.19 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:45.22 | pHluid | does it power on, then flash off? |
| 13:45.27 | doughecka | no |
| 13:45.45 | doughecka | just I would put it to sleep/whatever and it never turns back on |
| 13:46.07 | pHluid | Soft reset works though? |
| 13:46.11 | doughecka | no |
| 13:46.16 | pHluid | hard? |
| 13:46.18 | doughecka | not even full reset |
| 13:46.21 | pHluid | huh. |
| 13:46.24 | doughecka | I have to remove the battery |
| 13:46.38 | pHluid | that's not good. |
| 13:47.00 | doughecka | my files and apps are still there though |
| 13:47.00 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:47.29 | pHluid | Wish this wireless thing mentioned battery consumption |
| 13:47.37 | doughecka | heh |
| 13:47.54 | pHluid | Standby/rx/tx ma |
| 13:47.58 | pHluid | wtf does that mean |
| 13:48.04 | pHluid | what's "ma" stand for? |
| 13:48.24 | doughecka | milla amps |
| 13:48.40 | doughecka | the pda can put out about 500 ma max I think |
| 13:48.49 | doughecka | dqmot |
| 13:49.05 | pHluid | Oh, so this is power consumption |
| 13:49.07 | pHluid | lower is better |
| 13:49.12 | pHluid | I presume |
| 13:49.20 | doughecka | yea |
| 13:49.22 | doughecka | I think |
| 13:49.43 | pHluid | The Symbol and Socket cards look the be the best then |
| 13:50.05 | doughecka | dont know, never had one |
| 13:50.14 | pHluid | assuming their range doesn't just suck ass |
| 13:50.15 | pHluid | heh |
| 13:50.22 | doughecka | btw, ur welcome to buy one and try it, then tell me how it works :P |
| 13:51.00 | doughecka | the 5000d is the dropped one? |
| 13:51.16 | pHluid | yah. ;[ |
| 13:51.22 | doughecka | hm |
| 13:51.32 | pHluid | Sharp wanted $100 minimum to look at it |
| 13:51.36 | pHluid | + parts and labor |
| 13:51.43 | doughecka | ick |
| 13:51.47 | pHluid | was like man, fuck you guys, can buy a refurbished for $200 |
| 13:51.52 | pHluid | AND |
| 13:52.00 | pHluid | I'd have to pay for shipping both ways |
| 13:52.14 | doughecka | heh |
| 13:52.20 | pHluid | it's like, man, you fucks just raped me for $150+, you could at least ship it back to me |
| 13:52.29 | doughecka | a refurbished 5500! |
| 13:53.19 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:53.27 | doughecka | I could sell my Z and make a profit |
| 13:53.39 | doughecka | I got it for 142 |
| 13:53.42 | doughecka | +shipping |
| 13:54.00 | pHluid | I paid $115 for mine |
| 13:54.07 | pHluid | I'm thinking about selling it as-is |
| 13:54.08 | doughecka | lol |
| 13:54.14 | doughecka | I would |
| 13:54.18 | doughecka | some fool would buy iy |
| 13:54.19 | doughecka | it |
| 13:54.22 | pHluid | would probably fetch a few bucks on eBay, even not working |
| 13:54.41 | doughecka | stylus? |
| 13:54.46 | pHluid | What about it? |
| 13:54.51 | doughecka | does it have the screen cover? |
| 13:54.58 | doughecka | does it include the stylus? |
| 13:54.59 | pHluid | It's got the regular one |
| 13:55.00 | pHluid | the flip |
| 13:55.03 | doughecka | oooh |
| 13:55.08 | pHluid | and yeh, it's got the stylus/battery |
| 13:55.12 | pHluid | and cradle etc |
| 13:55.34 | pHluid | I bought a fancy screen protector from screenprotectors.com for it |
| 13:55.42 | pHluid | but I dropped it before i ever put it on |
| 13:55.43 | pHluid | heh |
| 13:55.54 | doughecka | lol |
| 13:56.05 | doughecka | it snaps on? |
| 13:56.16 | doughecka | I saw one at offic depot |
| 13:56.18 | pHluid | The one I have? Or the ones I never put on |
| 13:56.22 | doughecka | year or so ago |
| 13:56.28 | doughecka | both |
| 13:56.29 | doughecka | :P |
| 13:56.44 | pHluid | one that's on there snaps on |
| 13:57.00 | doughecka | ah, and the other protects the touch thing? |
| 13:57.04 | pHluid | one I have is a slide-under-the-frame-over-the-touch-screen thing |
| 13:57.05 | pHluid | yeh |
| 13:57.13 | doughecka | cool |
| 13:57.39 | pHluid | Range on the socket cards is ~ 300 feet |
| 13:57.47 | pHluid | so I'm guessing that's like, 100 feet indoors |
| 13:57.48 | doughecka | thats. good... |
| 13:57.49 | doughecka | I guess |
| 13:57.50 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:57.55 | doughecka | yea |
| 13:57.57 | pHluid | MAYBE 400 tops outdoors |
| 13:58.06 | doughecka | yea |
| 13:59.35 | pHluid | no 11mbps though |
| 13:59.39 | pHluid | only 5.5mbps and down |
| 13:59.41 | pHluid | bastards |
| 13:59.44 | doughecka | yea :/ |
| 13:59.49 | doughecka | low power |
| 13:59.51 | doughecka | I guess |
| 14:00.17 | doughecka | more like.... 300 KBs |
| 14:00.30 | pHluid | D-Link 660 claims 1,300 feet max range |
| 14:00.50 | doughecka | wow |
| 14:00.56 | pHluid | 460 @ 11mpbs, 1,300 feet at 1mbps |
| 14:01.06 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:01.33 | pHluid | 80ma power consumption in standby though ;[ |
| 14:01.40 | doughecka | hm |
| 14:01.45 | doughecka | remove it when ur not usin it |
| 14:01.52 | pHluid | and 70-100ma more than the Socket cards in transmission |
| 14:01.58 | pHluid | yeh, that kind of range is pretty sexy |
| 14:02.14 | pHluid | even if it does whack the battery in the nuts |
| 14:02.17 | doughecka | hehe |
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| 14:03.17 | pHluid | I don't even have a wireless network |
| 14:03.30 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:03.38 | pHluid | It'd just be nice when I travel and shit, since i know hotspots in most of the places out of town I go to |
| 14:03.41 | doughecka | I have a friends AP and wifi card for my laptop.. :P |
| 14:03.49 | doughecka | yea |
| 14:04.06 | pHluid | There's a net cafe here downtown with a public wifi net |
| 14:04.19 | doughecka | cool |
| 14:04.22 | pHluid | other than that I doubt there's much of jack shit in my home city for wireless |
| 14:04.29 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:04.32 | pHluid | But then again, I haven't started wardriving it :) |
| 14:06.51 | pHluid | fucking ambicom and netgear both don't even list their CF cards on their product pages |
| 14:06.54 | pHluid | it's all pc card shit |
| 14:07.30 | doughecka | lol |
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| 14:11.13 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:11.15 | doughecka | hey tim |
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| 14:30.43 | absentiaS | re |
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| 14:45.23 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:45.28 | doughecka | lo |
| 14:45.36 | pHluid | hi diddly ho. |
| 14:46.46 | doughecka | hmmmm |
| 14:47.03 | doughecka | I have lots of files... *.jpg.tga |
| 14:47.09 | doughecka | and I want to remove the jpg part |
| 14:47.11 | doughecka | so its *.tga |
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| 14:47.25 | doughecka | but not all of them have the jpg |
| 14:47.27 | pHluid | hrm |
| 14:47.34 | pHluid | under win |
| 14:47.40 | doughecka | yup |
| 14:47.46 | pHluid | you can do a ren *.jpg.tga *.tga |
| 14:47.54 | doughecka | hm |
| 14:48.05 | treke|home | mmv |
| 14:48.06 | pHluid | in console, obviously. |
| 14:48.08 | doughecka | for %%f in (*.jpg.tga) do ren *.jpg.tga *.tga |
| 14:48.11 | Wintre | doughecka: bash? |
| 14:48.14 | hbmartin | For thos of you that have a 5600: have you experienced alot of speed issues? |
| 14:48.16 | doughecka | winders |
| 14:48.20 | Wintre | Ew |
| 14:48.21 | pHluid | [10:54:10] [pHluid]: under win |
| 14:48.21 | pHluid | [10:54:16] [doughecka]: yup |
| 14:48.25 | Wintre | Ah |
| 14:48.33 | Wintre | yeah, IIRC ren is smart like that |
| 14:48.45 | pHluid | dougheck: don't get crazy with the fucking batch shit |
| 14:48.49 | doughecka | :D |
| 14:48.56 | doughecka | I got hundreds of files here |
| 14:49.04 | pHluid | it won't rename them |
| 14:49.05 | doughecka | textures |
| 14:49.11 | pHluid | unless it's got .jpg.tga |
| 14:49.16 | doughecka | ok |
| 14:49.17 | doughecka | good |
| 14:49.18 | pHluid | so you don't need a if/then |
| 14:51.04 | doughecka | bah |
| 14:51.06 | doughecka | dont work |
| 14:51.13 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:51.59 | doughecka | if someone has a really cool bash script, I can install bash to try it out |
| 14:52.13 | pHluid | dough: didn't work?? |
| 14:52.16 | pHluid | wtf |
| 14:52.22 | pHluid | I just tried it in a test directory |
| 14:52.24 | pHluid | and it worked for me |
| 14:52.31 | doughecka | theres still *.jpg.tga |
| 15:00.38 | crusher | z. |
| 15:00.49 | doughecka | ? |
| 15:00.59 | crusher | sorry, wrong window |
| 15:01.01 | crusher | :) |
| 15:01.10 | doughecka | heh |
| 15:01.14 | doughecka | ~country .nl |
| 15:01.18 | | well, country .nl is netherlands |
| 15:01.22 | doughecka | cool |
| 15:01.24 | crusher | it is! |
| 15:01.57 | crusher | (and rainy) |
| 15:02.03 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:02.09 | doughecka | whats new? |
| 15:02.47 | crusher | nothing much:) |
| 15:03.14 | doughecka | rain |
| 15:03.15 | doughecka | :P |
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| 15:06.13 | pHluid | Only real problem is a bug in the standard, not the device: WEP is about as effective as hanging a "please do not steal" sign on the Hope Diamond before leaving it on a bench in Central Park. |
| 15:06.14 | pHluid | hah |
| 15:06.24 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:06.59 | pHluid | I think I'm gonna go with that D-Link |
| 15:07.06 | pHluid | with the whoopass range |
| 15:07.09 | doughecka | haha |
| 15:07.13 | doughecka | cheap on ebay |
| 15:07.20 | pHluid | $80 new from amazon |
| 15:07.26 | pHluid | haven't really shopped around yet though |
| 15:07.33 | doughecka | 50 on ebay |
| 15:07.33 | doughecka | :D |
| 15:07.39 | pHluid | new? |
| 15:07.45 | doughecka | um |
| 15:07.47 | doughecka | I think so |
| 15:10.49 | mr_science | morning |
| 15:11.19 | doughecka | moin |
| 15:12.18 | hbmartin | hi |
| 15:12.45 | hbmartin | Does the 5600 have alot of speed issues? |
| 15:13.20 | doughecka | dunno |
| 15:15.44 | doughecka | dunno |
| 15:16.11 | hbmartin | heh |
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| 15:29.24 | doughecka | ren *.* *. |
| 15:29.24 | doughecka | ren *.jpg *. |
| 15:29.24 | doughecka | ren *.* *.tga |
| 15:29.27 | doughecka | that works |
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| 15:34.31 | rev|desk | yoo |
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| 15:55.43 | doughecka | FOR /R %%d IN (set) DO command for %%f in (*.jpg) do convert %%f %%f.tga |
| 15:55.48 | doughecka | :D |
| 15:56.16 | pHluid | lord. |
| 15:57.07 | rev|desk | lordie |
| 15:57.13 | rev|desk | what is that, rexx? |
| 15:57.36 | pHluid | worse |
| 15:57.39 | pHluid | it's dos batch |
| 15:57.42 | doughecka | woohaa |
| 15:57.43 | rev|desk | ah heh |
| 15:57.48 | rev|desk | did know dos patch did fors |
| 15:58.00 | doughecka | XP's does |
| 15:58.01 | doughecka | :) |
| 15:58.08 | doughecka | I dunno about anything else |
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| 16:00.23 | rev|desk | kool |
| 16:00.29 | rev|desk | i should remember that |
| 16:00.34 | doughecka | you shouldnt |
| 16:00.37 | doughecka | its nasty |
| 16:00.37 | rev|desk | i've always just wrote a small perl script |
| 16:00.42 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:00.42 | rev|desk | or rebol scrip |
| 16:00.48 | doughecka | I use bash |
| 16:00.51 | doughecka | on linux |
| 16:00.56 | rev|desk | aren't you leet |
| 16:01.03 | doughecka | tip: help for |
| 16:01.08 | rev|desk | i don't know how to do any sh scripting, damn near at least |
| 16:01.16 | doughecka | me niether |
| 16:01.18 | rev|desk | i just use psh when i need to do soem shell scripting |
| 16:01.19 | doughecka | but google helps me |
| 16:01.27 | rev|desk | or ./rebol |
| 16:01.35 | rev|desk | i could use google, but i already know how to do it elsewhere |
| 16:01.39 | doughecka | hehe |
| 16:01.54 | rev|desk | a lot of times i just do my shell scripting in smalltalk |
| 16:01.58 | rev|desk | but i guess it isn't "shell" scripting then |
| 16:02.00 | rev|desk | just scripting |
| 16:02.01 | doughecka | heh |
| 16:02.21 | rev|desk | i mean, it may take 5 lines in smalltalk to say what i could've said in one line of perl, it usually takes less time to figure out what to say |
| 16:02.29 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:02.33 | levi | Is there not a smalltalk shell? |
| 16:02.36 | rev|desk | and since i'm not submitting it for a small-code contest i could care less |
| 16:02.44 | rev|desk | levi: not a unix sh repacement type one |
| 16:02.55 | rev|desk | but there are REPLs for smalltalk |
| 16:03.00 | levi | That would be fun. Kind of like those lisp shells, but more comprehensible and with more capital letters. |
| 16:03.15 | doughecka | Oh ReAlLy? |
| 16:03.26 | rev|desk | but i don't usually bother with one, i just write the code, Cmd-A (select all) and cmd-p/i/d (print-it, inspect-it- or do-it) |
| 16:03.39 | rev|desk | there is a shell for squeak as well, which also interprets unix-ey commands |
| 16:03.54 | rev|desk | but it isn't good enoughto replace psh or bash for me as the only shell |
| 16:04.01 | levi | rev|desk: what did you pick up smalltalk for? |
| 16:05.01 | rev|desk | since i was a yout', i've been a language nerd |
| 16:05.09 | rev|desk | 4 or so years ago i learned smalltalk |
| 16:05.15 | rev|desk | and was amazed |
| 16:05.35 | rev|desk | and while i'mm still a language nerd who tries out and learns new stuff all the time, it is my primary language |
| 16:05.43 | rev|desk | prior to that, i had been using python |
| 16:06.10 | levi | I like learning about programming languages, but I rarely actually use them for anything. |
| 16:06.24 | rev|desk | smalltalk is what i do my research in, and i've been damned lucky to have every summer job/internship/research appointment allow me to use smalltalk |
| 16:06.25 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 16:06.27 | levi | Therefore I don't know many of them very well at all. :) |
| 16:06.29 | rev|desk | i used to be like that too |
| 16:06.42 | rev|desk | until the last few years, where i started a couple projects |
| 16:07.04 | rev|desk | my main project now is dynapad ( http://spe.sf.net ), a PDA OS/environment written in Squeak Smalltalk |
| 16:07.16 | levi | I work with straight C at work, which is pretty darn dull as far as fun languages go. |
| 16:07.30 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 16:07.53 | rev|desk | but usually less painful than C++ :P |
| 16:08.04 | levi | Yeah, I'm not a big fan of C++. |
| 16:08.11 | rev|desk | i darn near abhor it |
| 16:08.41 | rev|desk | like bjarne himself says, it wouldn't be so bad if people used c++ for whati t was intendend |
| 16:08.47 | rev|desk | that is, OO systems programing |
| 16:09.08 | rev|desk | rather than for app development and such, that is a "poor man's smalltalk" as bjarne says |
| 16:09.25 | levi | Yeah. Even then, though, it's got issues. |
| 16:09.30 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 16:09.56 | rev|desk | there are many languages which show up above C++ on my "languages i'd use if i couldn't use smalltalk" list |
| 16:09.56 | rev|desk | heh |
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| 16:10.10 | levi | I thought the BeOS idea of coding everything in C++ was cool until I heard of the fragile base class problem and the kludges they had to do to work around it. |
| 16:10.40 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 16:10.55 | rev|desk | i prefer that kind of idea but with a ... better language |
| 16:11.14 | rev|desk | like NewtonOS, LispMachine, Smalltalk Environments (most smalltalk systems are an OS unto themselves) |
| 16:11.28 | rev|desk | that kind of setup can be extremely powerful and allow very rapid (yet not cheesey) dev |
| 16:12.34 | levi | Yeah, I would have liked to have worked with environments like that. |
| 16:12.40 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 16:12.44 | rev|desk | it's quite nice |
| 16:13.00 | rev|desk | Emacs probably can go on that list, even if you dislike using it |
| 16:13.11 | rev|desk | they all have such a huge capability and power |
| 16:13.13 | levi | I played with Squeak very briefly. Aside from not being terribly pretty, it was definitely cool. |
| 16:14.04 | rev|desk | which is why i use Squeak as my computing environment, usually just running full screen replacing OS X, Windows or Linux... i can do everything within it. the only thing i need in OS X/etc is a better web browser |
| 16:14.12 | rev|desk | yes, not pretty at all |
| 16:14.21 | rev|desk | but the awesome thing about it is that it is easily modified |
| 16:15.00 | rev|desk | if i want it to look different, there is about 100th of the time, learning, and emotional overhead to modifying the way anything works within squeak, compared to the way something like KDE or GNOME works |
| 16:15.21 | rev|desk | and now a days, you can load IceWM window decoration and color themes into squeak |
| 16:15.39 | levi | I wondered why someone hadn't done something like that. |
| 16:15.47 | levi | I guess they have now. |
| 16:16.04 | rev|desk | hah, yeah |
| 16:16.06 | levi | So what's your opinion on ObjectiveC and OS X Cocoa development? |
| 16:16.36 | rev|desk | there have been skins/theemes like this for a long time, just not in the standard distro. and until SqueakMap (a central package listing for squeak), newbies just didn't know it existed |
| 16:16.50 | rev|desk | ObjC is a nice enough language, and more importantly, Cocoa/OpenStep is a very powerful API |
| 16:17.17 | rev|desk | while i prefer having all the benefits of smalltalk the runtime and the language, the Cocoa class lib makes things pretty easy |
| 16:17.25 | rev|desk | i've done a little in ObjC and it was incredibly slick |
| 16:17.47 | levi | I hope it catches on and spreads a bit farther than just OS X. |
| 16:18.16 | rev|desk | a lot of it wasn't in ObjC per se, but later converted to it. that is, there is a Squeak ->ObjC bridge, and i was working on using this bridge and Cocoa to make a little PDF viewer for Squeak |
| 16:18.18 | rev|desk | yeah me too |
| 16:18.29 | rev|desk | it is too bad GNUstep wasn't ready before KDE/Qt and GNOME/Gtk+ |
| 16:18.34 | rev|desk | could have taken the linux world |
| 16:18.49 | treke | doubtful |
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| 16:19.13 | treke | too much of a C heritage |
| 16:19.17 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 16:19.19 | rev|desk | it sure sucks |
| 16:19.54 | levi | I hate the strong C / procedural programming bias of the 'geek community'. |
| 16:20.17 | rev|desk | always half-amuses me to see silly slashkiddies talking about using what works best, when so many linux developers cling so religiously to C and poor libraries simply because they're afraid to think |
| 16:20.30 | rev|desk | levi: me too |
| 16:21.00 | rev|desk | i mean, it's no longer 1982, when systems like smalltalk were new and unproven in the world, where C was |
| 16:23.22 | levi | Lisp is pretty unfairly judged, too. |
| 16:23.32 | rev|desk | big time |
| 16:23.40 | rev|desk | lisp is a beautiful language |
| 16:23.59 | rev|desk | perhaps most people, especially unix people dislike simplicity and elegance |
| 16:24.17 | rev|desk | can't get any better than (function param1 param2 ... paramN) ... :) |
| 16:24.17 | treke | perhaps they just find it inconvienient to program in |
| 16:24.28 | rev|desk | i find it quite unlikely most have ever tried it |
| 16:24.49 | rev|desk | usually they see (+ 39 (* 3 2)) and just make bad parens jokes after that |
| 16:25.08 | rev|desk | i think Scheme may contribute against it too, so many CS dropouts take CS1 w/ Scheme and hate it |
| 16:25.13 | rev|desk | and assume all lisp is like that |
| 16:25.22 | levi | It does require teaching yourself to think a different way. |
| 16:25.29 | treke | hehe. the parens jokes are well founded :) |
| 16:25.40 | rev|desk | pfft |
| 16:25.57 | rev|desk | no more than {}#inclde<myass>intmain(* & ** fuckyou!@$!)}; |
| 16:25.58 | treke | using prefix notation doesnt help :) |
| 16:25.58 | rev|desk | heh |
| 16:26.03 | levi | Most CS kids already have some exposure to a procedural or OO language, and thinking in Lisp is different. |
| 16:26.14 | rev|desk | not most of the CS students at this school |
| 16:26.24 | rev|desk | i think the last few years that may not be the case levi |
| 16:26.26 | rev|desk | in a lot of colleges |
| 16:26.41 | rev|desk | that is, most go into CS for a job not out of an interest or knoweldge in CS |
| 16:26.48 | levi | Hmm. |
| 16:27.09 | rev|desk | i can only say this for sure with a handful of midwest and some west-coast schools |
| 16:27.11 | Wintre | "Unix people dislike simplicity and elegance" |
| 16:27.11 | Wintre | Wow |
| 16:27.12 | djr | heh, i do asm on mips :( |
| 16:27.17 | rev|desk | from talking to profs, other professors, etc |
| 16:27.21 | djr | talk about simple and elegant |
| 16:27.21 | djr | hah |
| 16:27.25 | rev|desk | djr: you poor guy :( |
| 16:27.26 | levi | Well, in any case. I liked my Scheme class in CS. |
| 16:27.30 | Wintre | That's entirely the opposite of the origins of Unix |
| 16:27.31 | rev|desk | so did i |
| 16:27.46 | levi | djr: I had to take a mips asm class. I feel for you. |
| 16:27.48 | rev|desk | Wintre: simplicity and elegance are the opposite? |
| 16:27.54 | rev|desk | i've avoided the mips asm class thus far |
| 16:28.05 | rev|desk | and have dropped my second major, CS, so i don't think i'll ever have to take it |
| 16:28.06 | rev|desk | heh |
| 16:28.19 | Wintre | I can say that the younger students in CS at my university were alot more interested in playing age of empires than they were in learning about CS |
| 16:28.25 | rev|desk | indeed |
| 16:28.32 | Wintre | rev: Unix's foundations are in simplicity and elegance |
| 16:28.34 | rev|desk | except here, it seemed that Counterstrike is the game to play |
| 16:28.41 | rev|desk | Wintre: compared to multics perhaps |
| 16:28.48 | Wintre | Particularly in contrast to the other operating systems at the time |
| 16:28.57 | levi | Wintre: At least as 'simple and elegant' as you can get when built upon C. |
| 16:29.05 | rev|desk | yeah, that's about it |
| 16:29.11 | warmi | Wintre: not anymore ... remember things have changed in the last 30 years ( as they should) but Unix hasn't |
| 16:29.29 | rev|desk | a) it's probably a bad i dea to get into a discussion like this. people prefer different things, and i don't mean to tell folks that they can't dig unix. and b) VMS is much more conssitant and elegant. |
| 16:29.34 | Wintre | warmi: That's not really true. Unix has grown along with the rest of the world |
| 16:29.51 | rev|desk | and it has grown away from simplicity and elegance |
| 16:29.52 | levi | warmi: Yeah, Unix got a lot more complicated. :) |
| 16:29.56 | rev|desk | indeed |
| 16:30.12 | Wintre | ^shrug^ The world is complex and the tasks demanded of Unix require complexity |
| 16:30.22 | rev|desk | no neccesarily |
| 16:30.32 | rev|desk | other systems do it without being so complex on the outer abstraction layer |
| 16:30.46 | rev|desk | and i'm not talking about having a dumbed down system either |
| 16:30.49 | Wintre | In many ways it's still not that complex; the systems just have a larger number of bits and interactions |
| 16:31.10 | rev|desk | and how you use these interactions is often inconsistant |
| 16:31.10 | levi | I like unix, it's kind of fun. It's simple and elegant somewhere in its core, but there's so much built upon it these days that's inconsistant with the core that it's, for all practical purposes, a very complicated system now. |
| 16:32.21 | Wintre | There is inconstency, sure. e.g. Network interfaces don't have device files under Linux |
| 16:32.28 | levi | It's still very useful and very powerful, just not particularly simple and elegant anymore. Probably depends on which unix you get, too. |
| 16:33.19 | Wintre | rev: I suppose that Perl's popularity supports your argument, though |
| 16:33.31 | Wintre | It's certainly neither simple nor elegant |
| 16:33.38 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:33.45 | Wintre | And while writing simple and elegant perl is possible, it takes lots of disciplien |
| 16:33.48 | Wintre | s/ien/ine/ |
| 16:34.57 | warmi | chouimat needs a new computer |
| 16:35.07 | rev|desk | indeed |
| 16:35.13 | djr | i lik bsd |
| 16:35.14 | doughecka | I need a computer |
| 16:35.15 | phoen][x | who doesnt? |
| 16:35.15 | djr | s/lik/like |
| 16:35.33 | phoen][x | "there's always a bigger cpu" |
| 16:35.47 | warmi | phoen][x: I don't .. at least for now .. just built myself a brand new amd |
| 16:36.01 | doughecka | haha |
| 16:36.16 | phoen][x | warmi: oh so you wouldnt trade it for a quad p4 xeon box? |
| 16:36.31 | phoen][x | 4x3.06HT ? |
| 16:36.42 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.47 | warmi | not really, it would be nice to have one but I don't need a machine like that |
| 16:37.00 | warmi | doughecka: just amd 2600 ... |
| 16:37.06 | doughecka | hahaha |
| 16:37.06 | warmi | CPU doesn't matter that much |
| 16:37.15 | doughecka | you have an old one :P |
| 16:37.16 | warmi | what made all the difference was Radeon 9700 PRO |
| 16:37.20 | phoen][x | i would need one like that. compile the kernel in <1 minute :) |
| 16:37.23 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:37.25 | rev|desk | pl a;; |
| 16:37.30 | phoen][x | warmi: got the same card. quite neat. |
| 16:37.30 | warmi | doughecka: no, I had old one before .. at 1GHZ |
| 16:37.31 | rev|desk | heh |
| 16:37.32 | rev|desk | one off |
| 16:37.40 | rev|desk | ok kids, time to go study plant autecology |
| 16:37.48 | djr | if you want that kinda power just to compile a kernel faster, you have some real priority issues |
| 16:37.50 | doughecka | ~dict autecology |
| 16:37.50 | djr | :) |
| 16:37.54 | rev|desk | haha |
| 16:38.12 | doughecka | ~spell autecology |
| 16:38.14 | | possible spellings for autecology: ecology audiology ideology aetiology astrology tautology gynecology oncology osteology anthology etymology urology futurology musicology ethology etiology cytology mycology teleology |
| 16:38.20 | phoen][x | djr: idd |
| 16:38.22 | rev|desk | the spelling is right |
| 16:38.23 | treke | djr: he could be a kernel developer :) |
| 16:38.24 | levi | I've got a 1.2Ghz Athlon I've had for a couple of years that I'm still quite happy with. And a really old Mac I picked up for $300 at a garage sale and upgraded. I'd like to get a new one, but I don't want to spend money. :) |
| 16:38.25 | doughecka | oh |
| 16:38.35 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:38.47 | rev|desk | autecology = ecology of the individual, and by extension the ecology of a species; the study of the functional place of a species in its environment; also called functional ecology or ecological physiology |
| 16:39.13 | doughecka | ~fishslap rev|desk |
| 16:39.14 | | ACTION slaps rev|desk up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 16:39.17 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:39.19 | warmi | levi: well, you obviously don't play games then |
| 16:39.30 | rev|desk | what's that for? |
| 16:39.34 | rev|desk | for knowing what autecology is? :P |
| 16:39.38 | doughecka | doing silly stuff |
| 16:39.39 | doughecka | :P |
| 16:39.46 | rev|desk | like studying plants? |
| 16:39.50 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:40.09 | rev|desk | i study plants |
| 16:40.11 | rev|desk | and use computers |
| 16:40.22 | treke | all that needs to be known about plants is that they die when you dont water them |
| 16:40.27 | rev|desk | while i am working on my own PDA os/environment, i am not muc for raw CS theory |
| 16:40.28 | levi | warmi: Indeed, no games for me. :) |
| 16:40.31 | doughecka | haha |
| 16:40.36 | rev|desk | i love to program |
| 16:40.41 | doughecka | I hate to |
| 16:40.42 | levi | warmi: Actually, I occasionally play some on my PS2 or a couple of old ones I've never finished. |
| 16:40.46 | rev|desk | but Computer *Science* ... yick |
| 16:41.46 | rev|desk | ciao |
| 16:41.46 | levi | I like learning about computer science, but no so much the actual working through of proofs and whatnot. |
| 16:42.43 | warmi | computer science is about proofs etc ... :-) |
| 16:43.05 | warmi | you talking about software engineering |
| 16:43.14 | treke | computer science is math for us math gimps :) |
| 16:43.27 | warmi | where people , just like "real" engineers, people use tested and proven formulas to build things |
| 16:43.29 | levi | I like READING proofs, just not doing them myself. |
| 16:44.46 | levi | I guess I even liked doing them a little bit. |
| 16:45.12 | warmi | well, I been out of college for too long to care about this stuff anymore |
| 16:45.19 | levi | I do know what computer science is, and I do like it, just not enough to really get into it. |
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| 17:18.44 | rev|lib | yooo |
| 17:19.01 | rev|lib | anyone know who was chatting with me the other day about an MS Reader converter they found? |
| 17:19.17 | doughecka | nope |
| 17:19.26 | rev|lib | i'm trying to remember what it's called |
| 17:19.36 | doughecka | msreaderconvert.exe |
| 17:19.37 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:19.38 | chouimat|afk | rev|lib: clit |
| 17:19.42 | rev|lib | AH yes |
| 17:19.43 | rev|lib | heh |
| 17:19.54 | rev|lib | how could i forget clit? |
| 17:20.33 | rev|lib | damnit |
| 17:20.34 | rev|lib | site is gone |
| 17:20.36 | chouimat|afk | rev|lib: I won't comment :) |
| 17:20.37 | rev|lib | for "spam violations" |
| 17:20.39 | treke | rev|lib: that was me |
| 17:20.48 | rev|lib | treke: ah, that's what i thought |
| 17:20.53 | rev|lib | remember wehere you got it? |
| 17:21.02 | doughecka | archive.org |
| 17:21.03 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:21.08 | treke | yeah one sec. need to make a couple calls and I'll look it up |
| 17:21.14 | rev|lib | k thanks! |
| 17:21.22 | rev|lib | doughecka: archive.org archives .zips and stuff now? |
| 17:21.26 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:21.28 | rev|lib | exactly |
| 17:21.36 | doughecka | .c files |
| 17:21.41 | doughecka | dunno about zipa |
| 17:21.44 | rev|lib | hmpf |
| 17:22.06 | rev|lib | only really silly nerds just post straight-up .c files instead of something immediately usable |
| 17:22.11 | rev|lib | hehe |
| 17:22.14 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:22.16 | rev|lib | unless you'res posting an assignment |
| 17:22.29 | doughecka | romburst.c |
| 17:22.30 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:22.33 | rev|lib | POWZA |
| 17:23.07 | rev|lib | perhaps |
| 17:23.11 | rev|lib | but i don't |
| 17:23.18 | doughecka | me niether |
| 17:23.22 | rev|lib | especially when it is windows, where i don't have VS |
| 17:23.32 | rev|lib | when it is one binary, that is close enoguh to "a package" for me |
| 17:23.39 | rev|lib | i imagine this is just one .exe and a readme |
| 17:24.14 | rev|lib | found it! |
| 17:24.15 | rev|lib | http://members.lycos.co.uk/hostintheshell/ |
| 17:24.31 | rev|lib | for nerds otu that that need the source for clit, they have that available too |
| 17:24.36 | rev|lib | after all |
| 17:24.56 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:25.15 | treke | rev|lib: yup thats it |
| 17:26.59 | treke | works rather well |
| 17:27.22 | rev|lib | rad |
| 17:27.29 | rev|lib | all i need now is something to convert |
| 17:27.52 | treke | most anything should work |
| 17:28.02 | rev|lib | so tasty |
| 17:28.17 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:28.28 | treke | it converts it into html |
| 17:28.32 | rev|lib | hell yeah |
| 17:28.45 | treke | it can also drop it down into undrmed ms ebook reader |
| 17:29.14 | rev|lib | nice |
| 17:29.19 | rev|lib | while keeping it in .lit? |
| 17:29.33 | rev|lib | i feel like some sort of ... clit commander while using this fine application |
| 17:32.15 | djr|z | Hostname: openzaurus - OS: Linux 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/armv4l - CPU: Intel StrongARM-1110 rev 9 (v4l) - Processes: 36 - Uptime: 5 Days, 23 Hours, 50 Minutes - Load Average: 2.00 - Memory Usage: 7.04mb/62.25mb (11.31%) - Disk Usage: 156.57gb/164.81gb (95.00%) |
| 17:32.47 | doughecka | impressive |
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| 17:34.45 | rev|lib | how come it is impressive? |
| 17:34.51 | rev|lib | just out of curiousity |
| 17:35.27 | doughecka | 5 days uptime |
| 17:36.02 | rev|lib | ah |
| 17:36.07 | rev|lib | i guess that is impressive for a zaurus |
| 17:38.01 | m_0f | 6d 20hr on mine |
| 17:38.09 | doughecka | :P |
| 17:38.21 | doughecka | how many of those is being in ur pocket? |
| 17:38.35 | m_0f | just 1 |
| 17:38.35 | m_0f | 5500 |
| 17:38.54 | doughecka | huh |
| 17:39.22 | m_0f | i have one zaurus 5500 |
| 17:40.40 | doughecka | of hours |
| 17:40.41 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:40.51 | rev|lib | of hours? |
| 17:41.00 | doughecka | of being in ur pocket |
| 17:41.19 | rev|lib | AH! |
| 17:41.20 | rev|lib | I GET IT! |
| 17:41.21 | rev|lib | hehe |
| 17:43.19 | treke | 6 days uptime would probably be 0 of it in your pocket |
| 17:43.32 | m_0f | yea maybe 10hrs total in pocket |
| 17:43.34 | m_0f | if that |
| 17:43.39 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:43.57 | treke | I dont think time in suspend is counted byt he kernel as uptime |
| 17:44.06 | rev|lib | really? |
| 17:44.10 | rev|lib | i think it is |
| 17:44.13 | rev|lib | but i'm not positive |
| 17:44.22 | rev|lib | because in the case of the Z, it's not totally off |
| 17:44.29 | doughecka | hm |
| 17:44.34 | rev|lib | someone, quick check |
| 17:44.50 | treke | its not totally off, but the kernel isnt doing anything |
| 17:45.01 | rev|lib | only way to know is to test it |
| 17:45.50 | treke | some one try on the Z |
| 17:45.55 | treke | that is the case on the ipaq |
| 17:48.04 | fliplap | time in suspend isn't counted on linux |
| 17:48.13 | fliplap | tho time in hibernate is counted on windows |
| 17:48.29 | zap-zero | so win cheats |
| 17:48.43 | zap-zero | UPtime != suspend time |
| 17:49.22 | rev|lib | of course uptime != suspend time, duh |
| 17:49.54 | rev|lib | maybe you mean to say "suspend time (not in the set symbol) uptime" |
| 17:50.04 | rev|lib | i wouldn't say winders cheats |
| 17:50.15 | rev|lib | it just measures it by when we booted - now |
| 17:50.49 | fliplap | i dunno, when my laptop is in hibernation, i don |
| 17:50.53 | fliplap | 't consider it up |
| 17:52.54 | treke | right, the linux kernel just keeps track of time it is actually running. |
| 17:55.58 | rev|lib | cool |
| 17:56.51 | treke | the concept of downtime should exist on a pda :) |
| 17:57.33 | rev|lib | heh |
| 17:57.39 | rev|lib | unless yuo're webserving from your butt |
| 17:57.42 | rev|lib | which i do on occasion |
| 17:57.43 | fliplap | heh |
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| 17:58.18 | rev|lib | ah, much better |
| 17:59.01 | rev|lib | haha |
| 17:59.10 | rev|lib | it's a splendid experience |
| 17:59.15 | rev|lib | :P |
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| 19:43.12 | Metal | hi hi hi |
| 19:43.29 | doughecka | ih ih ih |
| 19:43.37 | Metal | anyone uses a cf wlan card whit their Z? |
| 19:43.46 | kergoth | nope, no one |
| 19:43.57 | Metal | :( |
| 19:44.04 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:44.06 | Metal | someone? |
| 19:44.21 | doughecka | only the iraqies |
| 19:44.58 | kergoth | bastards. |
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| 19:45.20 | Metal | i wanna get a 802.11x cf card but i wanna be sure it will work on Z |
| 19:45.28 | Metal | drivers and all that |
| 19:45.32 | Techie2000 | What model are you looking at? |
| 19:45.33 | doughecka | which one? |
| 19:45.41 | Metal | i donno which |
| 19:45.47 | Techie2000 | I have a D-Link DCF-650W that's worked flawlessly |
| 19:45.49 | kergoth | the socket/symbol low power is what i'd recommend |
| 19:45.54 | Metal | i am asking what anyone else ghas had success with |
| 19:45.56 | Techie2000 | Course I got it cheap |
| 19:45.57 | kergoth | though it doesnt work with sharp 'out of the box' |
| 19:46.03 | Metal | ok thats what i wanted to know |
| 19:46.03 | kergoth | cause they're idiots |
| 19:46.06 | pHluid | Kergoth: The range on the socket/symbol cards seems remarkably limited |
| 19:46.13 | kergoth | pHluid: as expected. |
| 19:46.14 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:46.27 | pHluid | 300 feet max by their webpage. But really really low power consumption. |
| 19:46.45 | Metal | Techie2000: you run qt or OZ? |
| 19:46.52 | Techie2000 | The range on my DCF-650W is nice, but it sucks up battery quickly. |
| 19:46.59 | Techie2000 | I currently run OpenZaurus 3.2 |
| 19:47.04 | kergoth | yep. if you need more range, hit another prism 2.5 based card |
| 19:47.10 | kergoth | Metal: its qtopia, not qt. |
| 19:47.23 | Techie2000 | It worked fine when I ran Qtopia before I switched to the better OZ... |
| 19:47.48 | Metal | nifty |
| 19:47.53 | Techie2000 | I get around 2 hours straight usage with my DCF-650W, with the backlight set to medium |
| 19:50.42 | doughecka | heh |
| 19:51.25 | Metal | hmm all the D-Link DCF-650 links i find are PCI or PCMCIA |
| 19:51.41 | doughecka | ebay |
| 19:52.25 | Solar[X] | The 660 is on their site. |
| 19:52.44 | Solar[X] | > Dlink's |
| 19:52.53 | pHluid | I just ordered the 660 today. |
| 19:52.55 | pHluid | Hella range on it. |
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| 19:56.30 | Solar[X] | So.. I guess most people prefer OZ on their Z? |
| 19:57.00 | doughecka | yes |
| 19:57.28 | kergoth | I suspect I'll lose users when the next sharp rom releases, while everyone checks it out, then they'll come back |
| 19:57.34 | kergoth | since i know for a fact it still sucks |
| 19:57.35 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:57.45 | Solar[X] | Heh |
| 19:57.57 | doughecka | haha |
| 19:58.26 | Solar[X] | So is the choice based on features or just filosophy? :) |
| 19:58.37 | kergoth | both |
| 19:58.41 | kergoth | powerusers will use it for the latter |
| 19:58.54 | kergoth | users for the former, given sharp hasnt exactly been giving us improvements |
| 20:01.03 | Solar[X] | I'm planning on buying a 5500. I ordered a wlan cf card just before I found out pocketpc 2000 won't let you mount smb shares. |
| 20:01.07 | Solar[X] | And that kind of pissed me off. |
| 20:01.15 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:02.22 | Solar[X] | Before this I had a wince2.11 machine, but I could hardly find any software for it... and now ppc 2000 is lacking updates also - I don't really feel like getting a ppc 2002 machine, because WinCE .NET is upcoming, and that means no more 2002 updates :/ |
| 20:03.30 | Solar[X] | So I figured I'd go for something supported by a somewhat larger and smarter community :) |
| 20:04.20 | Metal | someone plz give me the link to a d-link 660 on ebay |
| 20:04.28 | Metal | my search doesnt find any |
| 20:04.32 | Solar[X] | Or at least a more active and supporting community. |
| 20:05.03 | zap-zero | Metal: is that a pcmcia card? |
| 20:05.10 | doughecka | CF I think |
| 20:05.13 | Metal | no i need a cf card |
| 20:05.14 | Solar[X] | Nah, type I CF WLAN |
| 20:05.48 | zap-zero | ic |
| 20:05.53 | doughecka | http://heck.no-ip.com/8.JPG |
| 20:06.17 | zap-zero | anyone knows whether dlink DWL-520 pci card works with linux? |
| 20:06.54 | doughecka | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport |
| 20:07.40 | Solar[X] | Am I right to assume just about anything using that prism chip is supported? |
| 20:07.49 | zap-zero | ic... so prolly the pci card has prism too |
| 20:07.51 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:08.22 | hbmartin | what ROM version does the 5600 come with? |
| 20:09.42 | Metal | mine came with 2.38 |
| 20:10.24 | hbmartin | so I'll need to use dhcp to get an IP address from it with ethernet-over-USB? |
| 20:11.32 | Metal | *blink* |
| 20:11.48 | Metal | that one's over myhead :| |
| 20:12.14 | Solar[X] | I don;t see why you HAVE to use dhcp, manually setting it should work fine also. |
| 20:12.14 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:12.22 | doughecka | I dont think is has a dhcp server |
| 20:12.24 | doughecka | does it? |
| 20:12.29 | Metal | i found a page where someone ran tests with3 wlan cards |
| 20:12.35 | Metal | http://www.trowcom.co.uk/Z-Batt.htm |
| 20:13.29 | Metal | Symbol WIFI 802.11b Compact Flash |
| 20:13.31 | Metal | bingo |
| 20:13.40 | Metal | i think thats the one for me |
| 20:16.08 | Metal | jeez |
| 20:16.19 | doughecka | gee |
| 20:16.31 | Metal | the prices for these cf cards really have a wide range |
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| 20:17.58 | doughecka | I fazed and suprized |
| 20:18.05 | Metal | anything thatworks on a sl5000 should work on the 5500 too? |
| 20:18.16 | doughecka | yep |
| 20:18.30 | Metal | nifty |
| 20:18.30 | doughecka | 5000d is the same has a 5500, only half the memory |
| 20:18.36 | doughecka | and a few bugs |
| 20:18.39 | Metal | thatswhati thought |
| 20:18.47 | doughecka | so it might work better :P |
| 20:18.54 | doughecka | on the 5500 |
| 20:19.02 | Metal | nifty2x |
| 20:19.30 | Metal | how do ppl getscreeshots off their Z? |
| 20:19.37 | doughecka | vnc |
| 20:19.38 | Metal | screenshots even |
| 20:19.45 | pHluid | VNC or use the screenshot thingie. |
| 20:19.58 | Metal | thingie? |
| 20:19.59 | Metal | heh |
| 20:20.01 | pHluid | thingie. |
| 20:20.08 | Metal | these tech terms |
| 20:20.14 | pHluid | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=112 |
| 20:20.29 | Metal | ah ha |
| 20:20.32 | Metal | thx |
| 20:20.41 | doughecka | vnc to heck.no-ip.com |
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| 20:21.07 | Metal | i thought i had been all through that site |
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| 20:22.15 | Metal | it's all palm and CE stuff |
| 20:26.30 | doughecka | Bad beer rots our young guts, but vodka goes well |
| 20:29.24 | fazed_ | hi |
| 20:29.42 | fazed_ | has anyone done a howto for debian-arm on Z? |
| 20:30.17 | fazed_ | no i just thought mayb you meant 'windows sysadmin' ;) |
| 20:30.30 | fazed_ | oops wrong window LOL |
| 20:30.38 | zap-zero | uh oh :) |
| 20:31.01 | fazed_ | only the last line tho :) |
| 20:31.04 | zap-zero | there's some project that includes debian-arm |
| 20:31.13 | zap-zero | and can boot off sd card |
| 20:31.17 | fazed_ | there is? familiar? |
| 20:31.18 | doughecka | google |
| 20:31.37 | fazed_ | yeah i guess google, tho sooo many Z links have gone bad |
| 20:32.06 | fdask | http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/ |
| 20:33.29 | fazed_ | thanks! |
| 20:34.11 | fazed_ | do you run it fdask? |
| 20:34.36 | fazed_ | yeah it is just my home pc ;) |
| 20:34.43 | fazed_ | oops did it again lol |
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| 20:37.32 | subdue | I like the information, dont like his spinning "Z" mouse |
| 20:37.46 | fazed_ | heh |
| 20:37.50 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:38.37 | fazed_ | where is the spinning z ;) |
| 20:38.48 | subdue | http://www.trowcom.co.uk/Z-Batt.htm |
| 20:38.52 | subdue | the words |
| 20:38.59 | subdue | rather irritating after a while |
| 20:39.30 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:39.52 | fazed_ | its sooo 90's |
| 20:39.54 | fazed_ | ;) |
| 20:40.29 | fazed_ | ima gonna try debian i think, while i wait for the new OZ |
| 20:40.52 | doughecka | BAH! |
| 20:40.59 | fazed_ | ? |
| 20:41.29 | doughecka | keep closing konqerer by mistact |
| 20:41.33 | doughecka | mistake |
| 20:43.56 | fazed_ | i wish i had my z with me now so i could have work pay me to try debian-arm ;) |
| 20:44.10 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:44.19 | fazed_ | i left it on my desk :( |
| 20:44.43 | kergoth`bbl | you know you can install debian/ARM .debs directly into OZ </shameless plug> |
| 20:44.57 | fazed_ | no i didnt |
| 20:45.05 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:45.20 | fazed_ | using bsybox? |
| 20:45.49 | kergoth`bbl | ? |
| 20:46.13 | fazed_ | unpack the deb then do a manual install? |
| 20:46.19 | fazed_ | or what |
| 20:46.30 | kergoth`bbl | ipkg install blah.deb |
| 20:46.31 | kergoth`bbl | ta da |
| 20:46.35 | kergoth`bbl | ;) |
| 20:46.37 | fazed_ | what |
| 20:46.52 | kergoth`bbl | you install it the same way you install a .ipk |
| 20:46.53 | fazed_ | ok and it uses the depends in the .deb also ? |
| 20:47.33 | fazed_ | yeah i know how to use ipkg, i just never realise dit could use deb |
| 20:47.49 | kergoth`bbl | yeah, but the deps will probably be wrong |
| 20:47.58 | kergoth`bbl | this is like installing an rpm from suse or mandrake into redhat |
| 20:48.03 | kergoth`bbl | for the most part itll work, but deps are likely hosed |
| 20:48.35 | fazed_ | k thanks for the info |
| 20:49.04 | doughecka | how come my routes disapear everytime I reboot? |
| 20:50.51 | fazed_ | dunno the only problem routes have bothered me on OZ is if i remove the card and reinsert it, sometimes the default route is not recreated |
| 20:51.02 | doughecka | huh |
| 20:51.29 | fazed_ | i remove the cf net card and reinsert it and sometimes the default route is missing |
| 20:51.37 | fazed_ | OZ 3.2 |
| 20:51.39 | doughecka | I use usb |
| 20:51.41 | doughecka | 3.2 |
| 20:52.15 | fazed_ | i havent used the cradle on my z at all so far |
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| 20:52.40 | dougheck|zaurus | woo |
| 20:52.51 | fazed_ | people have said that the usb networking is flaky tho |
| 20:53.02 | dougheck|zaurus | yea |
| 20:53.11 | dougheck|zaurus | but this is like... something that should work |
| 20:53.20 | Matthew_I | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.28 | dougheck|zaurus | everytime I reboot, its gone... maybe I need to add it to something to make it do that when I boot |
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| 20:53.52 | fazed_ | OpieIRC will not connect to sanjoseca.us.undernet.org, so i stopped using it |
| 20:53.57 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:54.04 | fazed_ | OpieIRC will not connect to sanjose.ca.us.undernet.org, so i stopped using it |
| 20:54.23 | fazed_ | try it it bitches about unknown numerical commands :/ |
| 20:54.25 | dougheck|zaurus | not much storage for warez on the Z anyway |
| 20:54.42 | fazed_ | pfft undernet is not _all_ warez u know |
| 20:54.55 | dougheck|zaurus | only 99.999999% |
| 20:54.58 | fazed_ | and anyways i got plenty of spac using smbmount :D |
| 20:55.07 | dougheck|zaurus | hah |
| 20:55.10 | fazed_ | hehe |
| 20:55.29 | fazed_ | i havent had to use illegal software at all since i switched to linux |
| 20:55.36 | fazed_ | well appart from decss |
| 20:55.38 | dougheck|zaurus | lol |
| 20:56.13 | dougheck|zaurus | how do I make something so it will run a command when I boot the Z |
| 20:56.24 | dougheck|zaurus | I will fix this "bug" right here and now |
| 20:56.25 | dougheck|zaurus | :) |
| 20:56.54 | fazed_ | add it to init.d sumwhere |
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| 20:57.23 | dougheck|zaurus | lame opieirc |
| 20:58.07 | dougheck|zaurus | where is that file? |
| 20:58.08 | dougheck|zaurus | :) |
| 20:58.32 | fazed_ | i dunno my z is at home and powered off so i cant even ssh it :( |
| 20:58.47 | fazed_ | i wonder if i could teach my cat to turn it on |
| 20:58.59 | doughecka | huh, find | grep init doesnt show anything |
| 20:59.40 | fazed_ | there are a raft of rc. directorys somewhere the script could be added to it /etc/init.d |
| 20:59.55 | kergoth`bbl | i should add a 'local' script to init.d |
| 21:00.05 | kergoth`bbl | repro the rc.local redhatish functionality |
| 21:00.05 | dougheck|zaurus | hm |
| 21:00.09 | dougheck|zaurus | heh |
| 21:00.26 | fdask | rc.local is nice |
| 21:00.31 | kergoth`bbl | rc.local is hackish |
| 21:00.34 | fdask | or rc.conf |
| 21:00.43 | fdask | i don't like the init.d setups |
| 21:00.44 | kergoth`bbl | anything you put there should probably go elsewhere |
| 21:00.45 | subdue | rc.conf would probably be cleanest |
| 21:00.55 | dougheck|zaurus | wheres dat? |
| 21:01.03 | fazed_ | in /etc |
| 21:01.09 | kergoth`bbl | rc.local is a cruft collector for users who dont know the sysvinit structure to make use of it properly |
| 21:01.09 | dougheck|zaurus | hm |
| 21:01.17 | kergoth`bbl | but it does make things easier for newbs |
| 21:02.01 | fdask | i wonder if anyone has ported a bsd to the zaurus |
| 21:02.18 | kergoth`bbl | fdask: someone wants to work on the netbsd port, but he hasnt had the time |
| 21:02.19 | dougheck|zaurus | hmm |
| 21:02.24 | dougheck|zaurus | init.d is a directory |
| 21:02.28 | kergoth`bbl | dougheck|zaurus: yes, it is. |
| 21:02.34 | kergoth`bbl | dougheck|zaurus: containing shell scripts |
| 21:02.46 | dougheck|zaurus | ah |
| 21:02.49 | kergoth`bbl | dougheck|zaurus: /etc/rcX.d contain symlinks to those shell scripts that control which ones are started/stopped on which runlevels |
| 21:03.22 | doughecka | hm |
| 21:03.23 | kergoth`bbl | and please dont take me literally, X is the runlevel in question. 0123456S, what have you |
| 21:03.27 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 21:03.40 | doughecka | so I shouldnt put it in init.d |
| 21:03.46 | doughecka | I should put it someplace better? |
| 21:03.47 | kergoth`bbl | uh |
| 21:03.52 | fdask | hehe |
| 21:03.53 | kergoth`bbl | if you want something to start on boot, thats how you do it. |
| 21:03.59 | doughecka | ah, ok |
| 21:04.15 | doughecka | what do I put in the beggining of a script? |
| 21:04.20 | kergoth`bbl | cp myscript /etc/init.d/; ln -sf ../init.d/myscript /etc/rc2.d/S58myscript |
| 21:04.24 | kergoth`bbl | i just fucking told you |
| 21:04.27 | doughecka | #/bin/bash or something right? |
| 21:04.29 | kergoth`bbl | look, just google for 'sysvinit' |
| 21:04.30 | kergoth`bbl | no |
| 21:04.32 | doughecka | no |
| 21:04.33 | doughecka | . |
| 21:04.33 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:04.34 | kergoth`bbl | #/!bin/sh |
| 21:04.43 | fdask | #!/bin/sh |
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| 21:04.49 | doughecka | #%#@#$! :P |
| 21:05.22 | fdask | the zaurus should come preinstalled with a crash course in linux |
| 21:05.23 | fdask | :) |
| 21:05.45 | kergoth`bbl | and dont use any bashisms. |
| 21:05.50 | kergoth`bbl | they'll bite you |
| 21:05.56 | doughecka | wheres the start folder? |
| 21:05.57 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:06.03 | kergoth`bbl | he said folder |
| 21:06.05 | kergoth`bbl | lets lynch him |
| 21:06.26 | doughecka | :D |
| 21:07.23 | fazed-away | lol |
| 21:07.34 | doughecka | ur away |
| 21:07.35 | doughecka | go away |
| 21:07.36 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:07.40 | hardwire | no |
| 21:07.48 | doughecka | hey hardwire |
| 21:07.53 | hardwire | no |
| 21:07.54 | doughecka | got ut ticket yet? |
| 21:07.56 | hardwire | ;) |
| 21:08.02 | treke | hardwire: new logo. new logo. |
| 21:08.03 | hardwire | both |
| 21:08.04 | hardwire | haha |
| 21:08.07 | hardwire | now duck and suck.. you |
| 21:08.08 | doughecka | hah |
| 21:08.15 | hardwire | treke: ok |
| 21:08.24 | hardwire | gimme some.. motivation.. |
| 21:08.31 | hardwire | like.. what are you looking for? |
| 21:08.41 | hardwire | ok.. well.. no |
| 21:08.43 | hardwire | what else |
| 21:08.49 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:08.58 | hardwire | no again ;) |
| 21:09.04 | hardwire | you are all a silly bunch of rabbit farmers |
| 21:09.17 | doughecka | hold down Fn Tab and left shift, and quake pops up |
| 21:09.18 | ljp | rabbit farmers? |
| 21:09.28 | doughecka | ~rabbit farmers |
| 21:09.46 | hardwire | hey now |
| 21:09.53 | hardwire | lets keep this channel shit free |
| 21:10.02 | kergoth`bbl | we'll have to kick quite a few people |
| 21:10.02 | hardwire | there is a fly crawling up my leg ;( |
| 21:10.04 | kergoth`bbl | for that |
| 21:10.06 | hardwire | I know I can kill it now |
| 21:10.10 | hardwire | should I? |
| 21:10.10 | ljp | sure thing, pot farmer |
| 21:10.10 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:10.13 | hardwire | its in my pants |
| 21:10.27 | ljp | let your cat get it |
| 21:10.35 | hardwire | I am in Alaaaskaaa |
| 21:10.38 | hardwire | :) |
| 21:10.44 | ljp | really? nice |
| 21:11.00 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:11.04 | ljp | watch out for them eskimo chicks |
| 21:11.06 | kergoth`bbl | alaska is nice? |
| 21:11.19 | ljp | alaska is beautiful |
| 21:11.20 | hardwire | suuuure is |
| 21:11.28 | kergoth`bbl | spiffy. |
| 21:11.46 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:11.50 | hardwire | I recently got to see a van sink into soft sand |
| 21:11.52 | yeiazel | is it possible to roller skate in alaska ? |
| 21:11.53 | hardwire | :( |
| 21:11.53 | doughecka | is there a console irc client? |
| 21:11.53 | yeiazel | :) |
| 21:11.55 | ljp | just make sure that bering sea server is running ok |
| 21:12.00 | doughecka | :D |
| 21:12.00 | kergoth | doughecka: install irssi |
| 21:12.05 | kergoth | doughecka: ipks are in the feeds |
| 21:12.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:12.07 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:13.55 | ljp | eskimo chicks like tall white boys |
| 21:15.32 | ljp | obviously you never seen eskimo chicks |
| 21:15.38 | yeiazel | :) |
| 21:15.39 | doughecka | haha |
| 21:15.43 | hardwire | doughecka: bitchx/irssi/stuff |
| 21:16.06 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:16.15 | hardwire | so |
| 21:16.19 | hardwire | logo eh? |
| 21:16.25 | hardwire | hehe |
| 21:16.26 | doughecka | yes yes |
| 21:16.27 | hardwire | rawr baby |
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| 21:16.28 | doughecka | :P |
| 21:16.31 | hardwire | there is one.. she is hot |
| 21:16.35 | hardwire | she is also a prude.. so I know she isn't damaged ;) |
| 21:16.39 | hardwire | ;P |
| 21:16.43 | hardwire | and that should be just about enough of that in here |
| 21:17.40 | ljp | too bad it's probably dry, so you cant get her drunk |
| 21:17.51 | kergoth | yeah, highly vulgar off topic discussion belongs in #openembedded |
| 21:17.53 | kergoth | not #zaurus |
| 21:17.54 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:18.05 | treke | ha |
| 21:18.12 | doughecka | #flood |
| 21:18.13 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:18.36 | aveng0 | anyone know someone who is running linux on the sharp HxW (actius or muramasa) laptops? |
| 21:18.44 | kergoth | i want a muramasa |
| 21:19.07 | aveng0 | i got the actius mm1 :) |
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| 21:20.25 | kergoth | nice |
| 21:20.33 | doughecka | bloody lame open proxy thing |
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| 21:20.53 | root____1 | hrm |
| 21:20.58 | aveng0 | yeah its really nice, i'm just having a couple of problems with linux :) |
| 21:25.34 | kergoth | aveng0: what problems, out of curiosity? |
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| 21:31.00 | hardwire | wonky |
| 21:31.14 | hardwire | anyhoot.. off to climb in a rust bucket that is gonna lift me up 30 feet |
| 21:31.14 | hardwire | brb |
| 21:34.06 | aveng0 | kergoth: the problem is with the internal ALi sound card |
| 21:34.53 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:37.08 | aveng0 | yeah, specific stuff here: http://www.lkml.org/archive/2003/5/14/95/index.html |
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| 22:28.28 | ChipX86 | I love how the gaim icon is used for Kinkatta-Lite on one of the screenshots on openzaurus.org :) |
| 22:30.12 | ljp | thats blasphemous! |
| 22:30.19 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 22:30.33 | ChipX86 | in a few months, if all goes well, you may see gaim on the Zaurus |
| 22:31.08 | treke | cool |
| 22:31.12 | ChipX86 | no flying pigs |
| 22:31.39 | ljp | hey, I saw flying pigs at a Pink Floyd concert |
| 22:31.52 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:32.00 | doughecka | wait |
| 22:32.05 | doughecka | ur THAT old? |
| 22:32.10 | ljp | :) |
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| 22:32.29 | ljp | yes, I remember watching the first moon landing on tv |
| 22:32.39 | doughecka | wow |
| 22:32.43 | doughecka | :P |
| 22:32.52 | doughecka | they had TVs back then? |
| 22:33.07 | ljp | yes. and you had to get up to switch channels |
| 22:33.15 | doughecka | eww |
| 22:33.18 | levi | I used to have one of those. |
| 22:33.23 | levi | Had a black & white one, too. |
| 22:35.10 | ljp | and you had to play with the rabbit ears to get the best reception |
| 22:35.30 | fdask | the horror |
| 22:35.48 | doughecka | and my remote is broken |
| 22:35.57 | doughecka | but the DVD remote works at least |
| 22:35.58 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:36.26 | ljp | freak |
| 22:36.38 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:36.43 | ljp | :) |
| 22:37.00 | doughecka | I need a way to use the IR port on my Z... |
| 23:01.34 | mewyn | ack! i'm all wet and muddy |
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| 23:10.34 | mutexer | the IR port is weak |
| 23:10.49 | mutexer | I tried using my Z as a remote.. had to stand a foot away from the reciever |
| 23:11.20 | zap-zero | :( |
| 23:11.52 | mutexer | at that range you can change the channels with your hands |
| 23:13.27 | duplexer | hahah |
| 23:13.38 | duplexer | lmfao, use your laptop. |
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| 23:30.43 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 23:53.32 | jeffk | does zaurus run a distro not by sharp? |
| 23:55.18 | treke | the duit runs lineo's distribution |
| 23:55.25 | treke | it |
| 23:55.35 | treke | sharp has probably modified it a bit |
| 23:55.43 | zap-zero | yes |
| 23:55.47 | zap-zero | openzaurus |
| 23:55.47 | zap-zero | and there are debian ports |
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| 23:56.54 | jeffk | do they have any emulators like for snes/nes on zaurus? |
| 23:57.09 | zap-zero | yup |
| 23:57.24 | zap-zero | nes runs at full speed |
| 23:57.24 | zap-zero | i haven't tested snes tho |
| 23:57.28 | zap-zero | probably not full speed |
| 23:58.12 | jeffk | on the 5600 it might |
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