| 00:02.27 | treke | not just OZ |
| 00:02.39 | dougheckaa | and those "other" roms |
| 00:02.41 | treke | any rom can do it |
| 00:02.42 | kergoth | just a matter of flashing the kernel with a different config |
| 00:03.02 | dougheckaa | exept sharps |
| 00:03.19 | kergoth | sharp can, if you flash it with a kernel using a slightly altered sharp kernel config |
| 00:03.22 | angry | its weird thogh, i used to never have problems with memory usage |
| 00:03.25 | kergoth | its dependent on the kernel only |
| 00:03.29 | angry | and i havent installed anything special on the sharp rom |
| 00:03.31 | dougheckaa | kergoth: thats so hard! :D |
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| 00:03.32 | rev|lib | yooo ooo |
| 00:03.33 | angry | and now i cant run RE |
| 00:03.35 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:03.38 | kergoth | i didnt claim it was easy |
| 00:04.35 | rev|lib | booya |
| 00:04.44 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 00:10.21 | angry | on the sharp rom can you use SD cards as extra memory? |
| 00:10.28 | angry | not storage |
| 00:10.33 | dougheckaa | as storage space |
| 00:10.36 | kergoth | only by putting a swap file on the card |
| 00:10.44 | dougheckaa | but that reduces the life |
| 00:10.51 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:11.04 | angry | i should probably just get OZ then |
| 00:11.12 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:11.12 | dougheckaa | yes yes |
| 00:11.14 | dougheckaa | its cooler |
| 00:11.14 | angry | and increase the nonstorage memory |
| 00:11.20 | angry | and then use SD for storage |
| 00:11.34 | dougheckaa | yea |
| 00:11.49 | angry | is konquerer as good as opera? |
| 00:11.53 | angry | or should i build opera |
| 00:12.00 | dougheckaa | depends |
| 00:12.05 | polin8 | operera is better |
| 00:12.07 | Com[Plex | I like them both, but some sites dont likekonq |
| 00:12.14 | angry | which is more lightweight |
| 00:12.24 | Com[Plex | konq |
| 00:12.26 | Com[Plex | I think |
| 00:12.28 | angry | ok |
| 00:12.45 | angry | ahh g2g |
| 00:12.47 | angry | err actually |
| 00:12.51 | angry | they have wireless at the library |
| 00:12.54 | angry | so ill see you in a bit then :-p |
| 00:12.57 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 00:12.58 | dougheckaa | :D |
| 00:13.58 | angry | whats a sharprom compat. irc client? |
| 00:14.53 | angry | n/m, getting zic |
| 00:14.54 | Com[Plex | opie irc |
| 00:14.57 | Com[Plex | zic |
| 00:14.59 | angry | err |
| 00:15.00 | Com[Plex | ertc |
| 00:15.03 | Com[Plex | etc |
| 00:15.03 | angry | zic didnt work |
| 00:15.07 | Com[Plex | why not? |
| 00:15.10 | Com[Plex | worksforme |
| 00:15.15 | angry | rnadom ipkg error |
| 00:15.19 | angry | g2g |
| 00:15.19 | angry | later |
| 00:15.21 | Com[Plex | ahh. |
| 00:15.23 | Com[Plex | cya |
| 00:15.34 | Com[Plex | yeah,I had to rebuild that iirc |
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| 00:19.40 | dougheckaa | peakpeak! |
| 00:20.59 | ljp | :) |
| 00:29.41 | rev|lib | anyone here OC their Zaurus? |
| 00:30.29 | Com[Plex | hehe.not me |
| 00:31.36 | effy-kun | wtf is OC? |
| 00:32.27 | ljp | over clock |
| 00:32.35 | Com[Plex | hehehheh |
| 00:32.39 | Com[Plex | effy-kun :) |
| 00:33.07 | dougheckaa | stupid thing to do btw |
| 00:33.55 | ljp | underclock it also |
| 00:34.07 | ljp | asve battery |
| 00:35.02 | dougheckaa | yea |
| 00:35.07 | dougheckaa | thats a cool thing to do |
| 00:35.11 | dougheckaa | when reading ebooks |
| 00:35.18 | fdask | how is it done |
| 00:35.24 | dougheckaa | dunno |
| 00:35.26 | dougheckaa | I am afraid |
| 00:35.30 | dougheckaa | of messin with it |
| 00:37.19 | ljp | ioctls |
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| 00:38.52 | fdask | ljp, do you do it? |
| 00:39.04 | dougheckaa | vergin |
| 00:42.35 | rev|lib | ebook are the bomb |
| 00:42.44 | rev|lib | i wish my ebook reader kept a tally of how many pages i've read |
| 00:42.50 | rev|lib | OC = overclock |
| 00:42.50 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 00:42.55 | rev|lib | i decided to sell my Zaurus |
| 00:43.02 | dougheckaa | nooo |
| 00:43.04 | dougheckaa | why?!?!! |
| 00:43.04 | treke | ebooks rock |
| 00:43.17 | Com[Plex | hwo much rev|lib ? |
| 00:43.19 | Com[Plex | Ill buy |
| 00:43.24 | rev|lib | and to make up for the only advantage is has over my Jornada 720 (other than the reflective screen), i am overclocking the J720 |
| 00:43.40 | rev|lib | treke: same here |
| 00:43.47 | rev|lib | com: it has a second battery and a 256 MB flash card |
| 00:43.54 | ljp | me? no I do not overclock my zaurii |
| 00:43.55 | rev|lib | current offer is $270 |
| 00:44.06 | Com[Plex | 5500?how new is it? |
| 00:44.08 | rev|lib | msg me if you would like to big |
| 00:44.10 | rev|lib | only like 3 weeks |
| 00:44.17 | rev|lib | brb, gotta get something here |
| 00:44.25 | dougheckaa | rev|lib: hahahaha, they go for 200 on ebayyyy |
| 00:44.27 | dougheckaa | :P |
| 00:44.33 | dougheckaa | 199 at tigerdirect |
| 00:44.57 | treke | dougheckaa: they dont go for 200 with a second battery and 256MB cf card |
| 00:44.59 | Com[Plex | doug, two batterys |
| 00:45.02 | Com[Plex | yeah |
| 00:45.04 | dougheckaa | oooooh, cool |
| 00:45.14 | dougheckaa | tell you what. |
| 00:45.34 | dougheckaa | I will trade my 5500 with a base and a 32 meg CF card in return for that "kit" you have |
| 00:45.49 | dougheckaa | ;) |
| 00:45.50 | Com[Plex | he wantsto Sell |
| 00:45.55 | dougheckaa | its a great deal |
| 00:45.59 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 00:46.07 | dougheckaa | it is! |
| 00:46.09 | dougheckaa | for me |
| 00:47.25 | dougheckaa | hmm, you should post that VNC fix thing on the FAQ |
| 00:47.29 | rev|lib | k back |
| 00:47.34 | Com[Plex | yeah,I know.. |
| 00:47.39 | Com[Plex | but I hate posting |
| 00:47.47 | dougheckaa | heh |
| 00:47.55 | dougheckaa | ok, I pushed dem corners |
| 00:48.36 | dougheckaa | bah |
| 00:48.42 | dougheckaa | it still wont click |
| 00:48.49 | Com[Plex | wait asec |
| 00:48.53 | Com[Plex | do keys work? |
| 00:48.58 | dougheckaa | umm |
| 00:49.21 | dougheckaa | nope |
| 00:49.33 | Com[Plex | fuck. - okay. do you have locate installed? |
| 00:49.39 | dougheckaa | um, nope |
| 00:49.41 | Com[Plex | not important. |
| 00:49.46 | dougheckaa | whats zat do? :P |
| 00:49.54 | Com[Plex | fire up the console, or ssh, whatever you use. and cd to / |
| 00:50.13 | treke | rev|lib: I'm just thrilled that I found openclit. Now I can convert msreader docks to html :) |
| 00:50.25 | treke | s/docks/books |
| 00:50.27 | rev|lib | openclit, man that is *bad* |
| 00:50.29 | rev|lib | where/! |
| 00:50.30 | rev|lib | treke |
| 00:50.42 | dougheckaa | ok |
| 00:50.44 | dougheckaa | its at / |
| 00:50.46 | rev|lib | i don't suppose it does encrypted ms lit docs, right? |
| 00:50.51 | treke | rev|lib: it does in windows |
| 00:50.57 | rev|lib | SWEET! |
| 00:51.10 | rev|lib | not that i want to pirate, but i want to be able to read MS Lit ebooks on non-PocketPC things |
| 00:51.16 | Com[Plex | then type find |grep mknod |
| 00:51.18 | treke | dougheckaa: opie-reader |
| 00:51.19 | rev|lib | doughcheckaa: JustReader does PRC i think |
| 00:51.25 | rev|lib | and html and txt and rtf |
| 00:51.27 | rev|lib | and does it well |
| 00:51.29 | Com[Plex | oh, uh, lets msg the rest of this |
| 00:51.34 | dougheckaa | opie-reader opens prc files? |
| 00:51.37 | dougheckaa | Com[Plex: ok |
| 00:51.43 | treke | its just that there are a shitload of formats used within prc |
| 00:51.48 | dougheckaa | yah |
| 00:51.50 | rev|lib | i found a cool ebook-for-purchase site that lets you buy ebooks in unencrypted formats for use on non-PocketPCs/PalmOS devices |
| 00:52.06 | rev|lib | what sucks about MS Lit is that you can't even read MS ebooks on other WinCE devices! :/ |
| 00:52.07 | treke | rev|lib: In linux you can convert the file from DRM1 to html |
| 00:52.22 | rev|lib | i can't on my Jornada 720 because there isn't any MS Reader for non-PocketPC WinCE, retards |
| 00:52.24 | rev|lib | but man |
| 00:52.26 | treke | rev|lib: in Windows you can do it with DRM5 ( the common one) |
| 00:52.27 | rev|lib | i need this converter |
| 00:52.31 | rev|lib | hrmm |
| 00:52.35 | rev|lib | awesome |
| 00:52.46 | rev|lib | not that i have any MS Lit ebooks now, but i'd prolly buy them if i could convert them |
| 00:53.22 | dougheckaa | uh huh |
| 00:53.23 | jshare | there are a ton available on #bookz on undernet |
| 00:53.29 | dougheckaa | I want a way of reading locked PDFs |
| 00:53.36 | dougheckaa | on the Z |
| 00:53.55 | rev|lib | http://www.fictionwise.com/home.html |
| 00:53.59 | dougheckaa | I have a certfacation book, but the PDF is locked |
| 00:54.06 | rev|lib | that is the place where you can buy at least some publisher's books in an unencrypted format |
| 00:54.14 | treke | rev|lib: http://members.lycos.co.uk/hostintheshell |
| 00:54.19 | rev|lib | which can be read on WinCE, Linux, etc... some formats need a conversion, but some not |
| 00:54.26 | rev|lib | yeah, screw lock PDFs mang |
| 00:54.31 | dougheckaa | hehe |
| 00:54.43 | rev|lib | one of the reason i'm selling my Zaurus is that I can't read the PDFs that my Library electronic reserve put out |
| 00:54.46 | rev|lib | even though they're not locked |
| 00:54.51 | rev|lib | i'm not sure why, but Qpdf or Opera can't open them |
| 00:54.59 | rev|lib | and those make up like 80% of the PDFs i need to read :/ |
| 00:55.07 | rev|lib | journal articles, etc |
| 00:55.09 | treke | weird. qpdf is just a qpe port of xpdf |
| 00:55.16 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 00:55.22 | treke | and it opens everything I've thrown at it |
| 00:55.23 | dougheckaa | treke: well.... there IS ways.... |
| 00:55.38 | rev|lib | treke: want me to send you one it can't open? :) |
| 00:55.48 | rev|lib | and the shitty thing is |
| 00:55.52 | treke | sure. |
| 00:55.59 | treke | ibot treke |
| 00:56.03 | | from memory, treke is Greg Gilbert <greg@treke.net>, or a goon, or a goon with no life, and no neck |
| 00:56.09 | rev|lib | i've even taken this PDF, oepneed in Acrobat, and then printed to PostScript and ps2pdf'd it with no luck |
| 00:56.13 | rev|lib | it blows |
| 00:56.16 | treke | weird |
| 00:56.18 | rev|lib | on Unix |
| 00:56.32 | jshare | what did you get from ps2pdf? |
| 00:56.35 | treke | I wouldnt be surprised if it plows up |
| 00:56.35 | rev|lib | and on OS X i've taken the PDF, open it in Acrobat (and the built-in Preview.app PDF viewer), printed to PDF |
| 00:56.40 | rev|lib | it did it fine |
| 00:56.43 | dougheckaa | huh |
| 00:56.46 | treke | rev|lib: maybe mail it to the xpdf author instead :) |
| 00:56.46 | dougheckaa | I should try that |
| 00:56.48 | dougheckaa | but its locked |
| 00:56.48 | rev|lib | i was able to view it in Acrobat o nthe OS X machine |
| 00:56.58 | dougheckaa | locks the print option |
| 00:57.14 | rev|lib | it's really disturbing that the re-printed versions don't work either |
| 00:57.15 | treke | I'm sure he'd be glad to fix a bug :) |
| 00:57.21 | rev|lib | even if they're is a lock i think that'd get around it |
| 00:57.44 | treke | they can |
| 00:57.55 | rev|lib | ok |
| 00:57.55 | rev|lib | www.d.umn.edu/~reic0024/microbes.pdf |
| 00:57.57 | rev|lib | try that |
| 00:58.02 | rev|lib | never has worked for me |
| 00:58.10 | rev|lib | but works fine in acroread for windows, os x and winCE |
| 00:58.14 | rev|lib | and on solaris |
| 00:58.38 | treke | how long should it be? |
| 00:58.40 | rev|lib | granted, on solaris and linux i'm using Acrobat Reader and not xpdf |
| 00:58.42 | rev|lib | should be 4 pages |
| 00:58.50 | treke | ok. xpdf looks ok |
| 00:58.55 | treke | same with acroread |
| 00:58.56 | Com[Plex | ZOOPLANKTERS!!!! |
| 00:59.07 | rev|lib | always seems to count pages right, but it has them all either big blank pages or small blank pages (like 1 cm x 8 cm) |
| 00:59.11 | rev|lib | complex: YUP! |
| 00:59.13 | treke | I |
| 00:59.18 | treke | I'm seing text |
| 00:59.31 | treke | I dont understand any of it |
| 00:59.33 | treke | but I see it |
| 00:59.33 | Com[Plex | ahhaha |
| 01:00.06 | treke | let me try on qpdf |
| 01:00.38 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 01:00.45 | dougheckaa | qpdf crashes |
| 01:00.51 | dougheckaa | on my locked stuff |
| 01:01.31 | treke | qpdf doesnt do it |
| 01:01.36 | treke | but I bet I know why |
| 01:01.51 | dougheckaa | how much? |
| 01:01.59 | treke | dougheckaa: your life |
| 01:02.11 | dougheckaa | hm |
| 01:02.18 | dougheckaa | never mind |
| 01:02.34 | treke | hmmm. not what I thought, but it still makes sense |
| 01:02.46 | dougheckaa | hah! |
| 01:02.57 | treke | rev|lib: the reason pdf2ps doesnt work is it doesnt really change much in this document |
| 01:03.01 | treke | rev|lib: it's just 4 images |
| 01:03.15 | dougheckaa | heh |
| 01:03.53 | treke | so whatever of acroread and xpdf you were using, they probably were choking on the images. qpdf probably cant handle images that large |
| 01:04.18 | treke | when you converted it, you just had the same image data wrapped in slightly different control data |
| 01:05.07 | treke | updating qpdf to the more recent xpdf might help, but probably not gonna happen any time soon :) |
| 01:05.23 | dougheckaa | patches welcome |
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| 01:15.53 | rev|lib | oi |
| 01:15.55 | rev|lib | damn win2k |
| 01:16.00 | rev|lib | all of a sudden |
| 01:16.00 | dougheckaa | get XP |
| 01:16.01 | rev|lib | it starts beeping |
| 01:16.03 | rev|lib | and then bam |
| 01:16.05 | rev|lib | when i reboot |
| 01:16.11 | rev|lib | trackball no longer works |
| 01:16.27 | rev|lib | in my experience, 2k has performed much better and been more stable than XP |
| 01:16.29 | rev|lib | for me at least |
| 01:16.31 | rev|lib | at work and hat home |
| 01:17.09 | dougheckaa | what ever floats ur leaking boat |
| 01:18.18 | rev|lib | heh |
| 01:18.19 | rev|lib | well |
| 01:18.28 | rev|lib | i should have just been ircing from my jornada the whole time |
| 01:18.33 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 01:18.38 | rev|lib | seriously |
| 01:18.48 | dougheckaa | it dont have a keyboard |
| 01:18.50 | dougheckaa | does it? |
| 01:18.50 | rev|lib | i can type as fast on that keyboard as i can on full sized dekstop/notebook one |
| 01:18.54 | rev|lib | yes it does |
| 01:18.56 | rev|lib | i have a Jornada 720 |
| 01:18.59 | dougheckaa | ooh, its a flat one |
| 01:19.01 | dougheckaa | I had one |
| 01:19.04 | rev|lib | not a Palm/iPaq shaped thing |
| 01:19.11 | dougheckaa | largest thing this side of the planet |
| 01:19.11 | rev|lib | i mean, it's a Handheld PC/2000 |
| 01:19.14 | rev|lib | it rules |
| 01:19.15 | rev|lib | well |
| 01:19.17 | rev|lib | not quite |
| 01:19.22 | rev|lib | there is the NEC MobilePro 7x0 |
| 01:19.25 | rev|lib | that is bigger |
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| 01:19.26 | dougheckaa | ah yes |
| 01:19.32 | rev|lib | and has a full-sized laptop keyboard |
| 01:19.36 | rev|lib | the jornada is actually quite nice |
| 01:19.41 | rev|lib | just small enough to fit in my pocket |
| 01:19.52 | dougheckaa | the zaurus is betta |
| 01:19.54 | rev|lib | yet big enough for LaTeX editing, coding, and real typing |
| 01:19.54 | rev|lib | no |
| 01:20.00 | rev|lib | i wish it were |
| 01:20.06 | rev|lib | or else i wouldn't be selling my Z |
| 01:20.06 | rev|lib | :( |
| 01:20.17 | dougheckaa | heh |
| 01:20.18 | Bala | so what tools are there for debugging memory leaks on the Z? |
| 01:20.37 | dougheckaa | a pencil |
| 01:21.23 | Bala | and how does that work?? <sets himself up for the punchline> |
| 01:22.28 | dougheckaa | start writing down the source code till you get insane and just redo the whole thing |
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| 01:28.47 | rev|lib | uff |
| 01:28.53 | dougheckaa | wuff |
| 01:28.54 | rev|lib | doug: you ahd a Jornada 720? |
| 01:29.31 | rev|lib | i'm curious what of the Z you think is better, except for "j00 c4n run leenuck1!! on the Z!!11" |
| 01:29.41 | dougheckaa | no |
| 01:29.50 | dougheckaa | I had a sharp 4600 |
| 01:29.54 | dougheckaa | ran win ce 2 |
| 01:29.57 | dougheckaa | 2.0 |
| 01:30.04 | rev|lib | ah |
| 01:30.05 | dougheckaa | didnt even run my wifi card |
| 01:30.07 | rev|lib | heh |
| 01:30.07 | dougheckaa | so I sold it |
| 01:30.08 | rev|lib | that sucks |
| 01:30.11 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 01:30.14 | rev|lib | good plan |
| 01:30.16 | Com[Plex | `I used to have a sharp mobilon tripad. |
| 01:30.25 | rev|lib | is that one of those convertable ones? |
| 01:30.26 | Com[Plex | thing had the biggest screen you ever saw on a handheld. |
| 01:30.26 | dougheckaa | well, cisco was taking there time to post the driver |
| 01:30.28 | rev|lib | like the Clio? |
| 01:30.30 | dougheckaa | Com[Plex: yea |
| 01:30.32 | dougheckaa | er |
| 01:30.33 | Com[Plex | ran wince2.0 |
| 01:30.33 | dougheckaa | rev|lib: yea |
| 01:30.36 | rev|lib | ah sweet |
| 01:30.39 | Com[Plex | yeah, just like clio |
| 01:30.42 | Com[Plex | I loved it |
| 01:30.47 | dougheckaa | Com[Plex: I wanted one of those, but it didnt fit in my pocket |
| 01:30.48 | Com[Plex | till my friends kid sat on it |
| 01:30.52 | rev|lib | i really wish i could get some thing like that today, but slightly smaller |
| 01:30.59 | Com[Plex | it was soooooo nice |
| 01:31.02 | rev|lib | like about the width and height as the newton |
| 01:31.05 | rev|lib | or jornada or so |
| 01:31.06 | Com[Plex | but had like ZERO ram |
| 01:31.08 | dougheckaa | how big was the kid? |
| 01:31.11 | dougheckaa | Com[Plex: indeed |
| 01:31.16 | Com[Plex | kid was 2 |
| 01:31.19 | dougheckaa | ah |
| 01:31.33 | Com[Plex | his mom was like "whoa,, dont sit on that" |
| 01:31.44 | dougheckaa | so he went and tried it out |
| 01:31.45 | dougheckaa | :( |
| 01:31.48 | rev|lib | how much ram? like 4? |
| 01:31.53 | rev|lib | man |
| 01:31.55 | Com[Plex | then I was like "aww man, your kid killed my tripad :<" and the dads like "no he didnt" |
| 01:31.57 | dougheckaa | mine had 16 |
| 01:32.00 | Com[Plex | 16 |
| 01:32.10 | rev|lib | i'd pay like $800 for a C700-like thing that had a decent keyboard and a PXA255 |
| 01:32.17 | rev|lib | alas |
| 01:32.17 | dougheckaa | its the same as the 4600, but smaller and not the same |
| 01:32.24 | rev|lib | the tripad was convertable too? |
| 01:32.33 | dougheckaa | it didnt flip around |
| 01:32.36 | rev|lib | ah k |
| 01:32.42 | Com[Plex | rev: just wait for the 255 to be put in the c700 |
| 01:32.43 | rev|lib | how awas the kb? |
| 01:32.52 | rev|lib | complex: yeah, but it still will have a crappy keyboard |
| 01:32.59 | dougheckaa | http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/pc/docs/article/981130/tripad.jpg |
| 01:33.02 | Com[Plex | the kb looks pretty nice imhop |
| 01:33.03 | rev|lib | doug: the kb doesn't look as good as the jornada, which is touchtypable |
| 01:33.09 | dougheckaa | yah |
| 01:33.11 | rev|lib | complex: but it isn't |
| 01:33.17 | Com[Plex | youve used it?? |
| 01:33.22 | rev|lib | complex: it isn't touch typable... it's just an oversized thumboard |
| 01:33.33 | rev|lib | i've never owned one, but i've played with a friend's a bunch |
| 01:33.40 | Com[Plex | joo give me props dougheckaa? |
| 01:33.42 | rev|lib | it's not like a psion or j720 in how you use the keyboard |
| 01:33.45 | dougheckaa | whats that thumb keyboard? |
| 01:33.52 | dougheckaa | Com[Plex: of corse not :P |
| 01:33.52 | rev|lib | a thumb keyboard = thumboard |
| 01:33.59 | Com[Plex | bastage! |
| 01:34.06 | dougheckaa | no, thats silly thing that you can type with one hand |
| 01:34.06 | rev|lib | like the 5500 kb, blackberry rim etc |
| 01:34.17 | rev|lib | well, sure you could |
| 01:34.27 | rev|lib | but a lot of people type with two hands, two thumbs |
| 01:34.44 | dougheckaa | Com[Plex: well, I put a thing on the bottom saying if it made the magic smoke come out, it was Com[Plex's idea. |
| 01:35.16 | Com[Plex | hahaha |
| 01:35.17 | Com[Plex | nice |
| 01:35.20 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 01:36.30 | dougheckaa | rev|lib: well, it was like this unit... you could type without looking at it with one hand, fit in the palm of ur hand |
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| 01:42.20 | rev|lib | k |
| 01:42.22 | rev|lib | bbl all |
| 01:42.25 | rev|lib | rebooting this POS |
| 01:42.26 | rev|lib | again |
| 01:42.27 | dougheckaa | c ya |
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| 02:17.14 | angry | Neo|Work: any new beta games, im your man ;) |
| 02:18.02 | ChipX86 | hey angry |
| 02:18.11 | angry | hey ChipX86 |
| 02:18.18 | angry | been a while since i was last on irc :) |
| 02:18.26 | ChipX86 | I noticed |
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| 02:25.20 | angry | anyone know how to use opera creator |
| 02:25.30 | kergoth | uh, you install it |
| 02:25.35 | kergoth | into a sharp rom |
| 02:25.43 | kergoth | and copy the resulting new ipk off the Z |
| 02:25.53 | angry | oh it created an ipk durning install? |
| 02:25.59 | angry | ooh neat |
| 02:26.47 | redtoade | kergoth: the refresh on Qtopia desktop (PC)... do you know if that's running a script on the zaurus? |
| 02:27.56 | kergoth | refresh? |
| 02:28.00 | kergoth | refresh of what? |
| 02:28.12 | kergoth | it wont call scripts |
| 02:28.19 | kergoth | it either uses the ftp on 4242 |
| 02:28.21 | redtoade | it's a silly question |
| 02:28.27 | kergoth | or issues qcop calls through port 4243, the qcop bridge |
| 02:28.32 | redtoade | k |
| 02:28.49 | redtoade | upload/dload... straightforward stuff |
| 02:29.04 | redtoade | but that damn refresh button I couldn't figure out wth it was doing |
| 02:29.28 | kergoth | refresh of *what*? |
| 02:29.30 | kergoth | documents? |
| 02:29.35 | redtoade | yes |
| 02:29.38 | redtoade | sorry |
| 02:29.40 | kergoth | i havent used qtopia desktop since like the first release |
| 02:29.46 | kergoth | so its not exactly imprinted on my mind |
| 02:29.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:29.52 | redtoade | :) |
| 02:29.56 | redtoade | I understand completely |
| 02:29.59 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:30.21 | redtoade | but for development purposes (ie. sell this to my boss) I need to keep it as "out of the box" as possible |
| 02:30.55 | angry | is 16 stor / 16 mem the regular one for 5000d? |
| 02:31.11 | kergoth | no |
| 02:31.18 | kergoth | 5000d sharp roms were always either 20-12 or 26-6 |
| 02:31.21 | kergoth | depending on which one you got |
| 02:31.47 | angry | 18501 kb... prob 20-12 |
| 02:31.52 | angry | im going to go for 26-6 this time though |
| 02:31.55 | angry | it kept running of out mem |
| 02:32.04 | kergoth | yep, you want 26-6 or 32-0, definatley |
| 02:32.08 | kergoth | definately |
| 02:32.18 | angry | err 24-6 |
| 02:34.05 | kergoth | uh, earth to angry, 24 + 6 != 32 |
| 02:34.43 | angry | zImage-5000d-24memory-6storage.bin |
| 02:34.49 | angry | some memory is for OS i assume? |
| 02:35.00 | angry | er storage |
| 02:35.01 | angry | or something |
| 02:35.24 | kergoth | nah, thatd be a nice typo |
| 02:35.26 | kergoth | its 26-6 |
| 02:35.28 | kergoth | iirc |
| 02:36.19 | angry | wow im getting like thousands of "bad for header" errors |
| 02:36.19 | angry | hehe |
| 02:36.30 | angry | among other errors |
| 02:36.46 | angry | INIT: Id "In" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 02:37.14 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:37.22 | angry | when i turned it on after flashing |
| 02:37.28 | angry | the flash seemed to be WAY too fast though |
| 02:37.39 | angry | both lights went on |
| 02:37.41 | angry | and i put it down |
| 02:37.47 | angry | and when i looked down in a little bit they were off |
| 02:37.50 | angry | and i replaced everything |
| 02:37.54 | angry | and turned it on, and the logo came up |
| 02:38.04 | kergoth | 'the logo' |
| 02:38.06 | angry | and it started filling the screen and scrolling with lots of errors |
| 02:38.10 | kergoth | lets try giving me some actual information |
| 02:38.16 | angry | the OZ logo screen animation |
| 02:38.20 | kergoth | okay, you're flashing oz |
| 02:38.24 | kergoth | from what? |
| 02:38.32 | kergoth | why is getting information from users always like pulling teeth? |
| 02:38.36 | angry | from the latest sharp rom |
| 02:38.53 | kergoth | well you didnt name the files right, or you didnt hit full reset after flashing |
| 02:39.21 | angry | the files were named "initrd.bin" and "zImage" |
| 02:39.31 | angry | i might not have hit full reset hard enough |
| 02:39.52 | kergoth | well you didnt name the files right, or you didnt hit full reset after flashing |
| 02:39.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:40.03 | angry | can i redo it? |
| 02:40.07 | kergoth | dood |
| 02:40.10 | kergoth | i flash my Z like 12 times a day |
| 02:40.19 | angry | yeah bnut this was a messed up flash |
| 02:40.21 | kergoth | yes you can fucking flash again |
| 02:40.24 | kergoth | who gives a shit? |
| 02:40.26 | kergoth | certainly not i |
| 02:40.34 | angry | neither do i |
| 02:40.40 | angry | so ill give it hell |
| 02:40.43 | kergoth | good, we're on the same page |
| 02:41.20 | redtoade | well this is entertaining |
| 02:43.05 | angry | i fail at life |
| 02:43.26 | kergoth | i fail at being patient |
| 02:43.42 | redtoade | any help is good help |
| 02:43.58 | redtoade | hell... just lurking here you pick up tons |
| 02:44.35 | ljp | kergoth was never meant to be a doctor |
| 02:45.55 | angry | trying 20-12 rom now.. |
| 02:46.59 | angry | ok i must be the record holder for failing oz installs miserably |
| 02:47.12 | kergoth | i doubt it |
| 02:48.11 | angry | well i must be te record holder of saying i am the record holder for failing oz installs miserably |
| 02:48.50 | angry | ill try a diff cf card tomorrow |
| 02:48.50 | angry | night all |
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| 02:49.16 | rev|pda | hey hey |
| 02:49.25 | rev|pda | Z to the D to the li nu ck ESS |
| 02:49.49 | kergoth | ~kill rev|pda |
| 02:49.50 | | ACTION executes killall -9 rev|pda |
| 02:50.04 | kergoth | hm |
| 02:50.07 | kergoth | ~hup rev|pda |
| 02:50.23 | kergoth | ~hup $nick is <action> executes killall -HUP $nick |
| 02:50.24 | | okay, kergoth |
| 02:50.27 | kergoth | ~hup rev|pda |
| 02:50.28 | | ACTION executes killall -HUP rev|pda |
| 02:54.33 | treke|home | dont beat him too bad |
| 02:54.43 | treke|home | one day he may do the jornada 720 port :) |
| 02:54.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:54.58 | treke|home | if anything we need him to package dynapad for oe |
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| 03:09.26 | rev|pda | hey |
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| 03:10.01 | rev|pda | just because i have a functional pda it doesn't mean i should be beat up on |
| 03:10.02 | rev|pda | heh |
| 03:15.03 | Com[Plex | hehehe |
| 03:17.56 | rev|pda | brb |
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| 03:41.40 | rev|pda | yoo |
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| 03:48.14 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 03:48.51 | rev|pda | night |
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| 03:56.56 | minipanda | thanks god! simpletech CF card haved help flashed the OZ rom! |
| 03:58.20 | minipanda | but after updated to OZ rom, my Z can not bootup, just stoped with big <SHARP> at the centre on my Z |
| 03:59.09 | kergoth | it didnt flash the kernel |
| 03:59.18 | kergoth | i'd be willing to bet your kernel is still named zimage.bin, not zImage |
| 03:59.20 | minipanda | oh, and only a cursor at the bottom left of my screen |
| 03:59.42 | kergoth | say, you renamed it on a windows box, and it hid the extension from you so you thought it was just zImage |
| 03:59.53 | kergoth | for example |
| 04:00.18 | minipanda | thanks kergoth, maybe, i almost not using win2k for a month |
| 04:00.57 | minipanda | and never care about such strange win2k speciality ... |
| 04:01.14 | kergoth | windows hides extensions unless you explicitly tell it to do otherwise. |
| 04:02.43 | minipanda | kergoth: thanks, i've checked it! that's my own fault! and M$ are too evil! |
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| 04:08.15 | minipanda | thanks god, thanks kergoth, thanks simpletech! love you all ... :) |
| 04:08.46 | minipanda | i've got that ugly penguin on my Z now |
| 04:09.50 | minipanda | and that penguin should wear a MASK for avoid from SARS ... :) |
| 04:12.21 | kergoth | its pingizauru, the godzilla penguin |
| 04:14.02 | polin8 | kergoth: is the 2.4.19 kernel out? |
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| 04:14.21 | kergoth | polin8: s/2.4.19 kernel/2.4.19 kernel for the zaurus/ |
| 04:14.36 | minipanda | hahaha, and Oz can ident my SANDISK SD card! so why u still need binaries for SD card from Sharp? |
| 04:14.38 | kergoth | polin8: if it was out, itd be on openzaurus.org with every other piece of OZ news. |
| 04:14.44 | kergoth | minipanda: uh, for 2.4.19. |
| 04:14.52 | polin8 | ;) |
| 04:14.53 | kergoth | minipanda: OZ includes the binary module for 2.4.6, which works fine |
| 04:15.08 | kergoth | minipanda: said 2.4.6 module does *not* work fine in 2.4.19 |
| 04:15.42 | polin8 | kergoth: congratulations on the job |
| 04:15.43 | minipanda | ok, kergoth, thanks! i'm so exciting today, just like the day i get my Z |
| 04:16.05 | kergoth | polin8: thanks. got out of support without going postal. i'm so proud. |
| 04:16.07 | kergoth | polin8: :) |
| 04:16.16 | polin8 | no one died, amazing |
| 04:16.30 | minipanda | kergoth: congratulations! and hope TI will give you nice salary ... |
| 04:16.37 | treke|laptop | we can arrange for some deaths though |
| 04:16.42 | kergoth | oh indeed |
| 04:18.26 | polin8 | TI95 caculator, running gnuplot on openembedded? |
| 04:18.39 | treke|laptop | that they will be using linux in embedded systems? |
| 04:18.56 | polin8 | i meant a bit more specifically |
| 04:19.06 | polin8 | thanks for the tip though |
| 04:19.13 | kergoth | treke|laptop: you're always so helpful |
| 04:19.16 | kergoth | :) |
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| 04:41.57 | hExml | welcome |
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| 04:44.49 | Metal | nifty |
| 04:45.07 | Metal | hi |
| 04:45.19 | Metal | i am a new zaurus owner |
| 04:46.42 | Metal | nobody cares :( |
| 04:50.20 | Metal | anyone tried or been successful atrunning heretic with prboom on a 5500? |
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| 04:51.18 | Metal | everyone here in a far off time zone? |
| 04:51.32 | treke|laptop | no |
| 04:57.02 | fdask | hi Metal |
| 04:57.12 | fdask | where did u buy your Zauru |
| 04:57.13 | fdask | s |
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| 05:00.39 | Metal | from tiger direct |
| 05:00.46 | Metal | it's refurbished |
| 05:01.24 | Metal | i kike it a lot |
| 05:01.32 | Metal | *like |
| 05:02.54 | fdask | sweet |
| 05:02.58 | fdask | what are you running on it? |
| 05:03.29 | Metal | defualtos |
| 05:03.36 | Metal | qtopia |
| 05:03.52 | Metal | my kernel is 2.4.6 |
| 05:04.08 | Metal | i know jack about linux |
| 05:04.21 | Metal | but iam learnin a bunch fast |
| 05:04.28 | Metal | confusing file system |
| 05:04.33 | hExml | yeah |
| 05:04.35 | hExml | fuck yeah |
| 05:04.37 | hExml | fucking a |
| 05:04.41 | hExml | fuck yeah] |
| 05:04.46 | Metal | shut up bitch |
| 05:04.54 | hExml | linux owns j00 |
| 05:04.57 | Metal | thats my friend |
| 05:05.05 | Metal | he told me you guys were here |
| 05:05.24 | hExml | xp is for suckaz |
| 05:05.32 | Metal | i use the term "friend" loosely |
| 05:05.46 | Metal | i dont run that xp shit boy |
| 05:05.57 | Metal | 2k server |
| 05:06.28 | Metal | anyway.. back to my original question.. |
| 05:06.33 | Metal | anyone tried or been successful atrunning heretic with prboom on a 5500? |
| 05:06.44 | Metal | or hexen? |
| 05:07.09 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 05:07.23 | Metal | i'm still tryingto figure out where the files go when i install .ipk's |
| 05:07.41 | Metal | then i could run it from konsole |
| 05:10.38 | hExml | yeah |
| 05:12.42 | Metal | well? |
| 05:13.00 | Metal | how do you know where the files in an .ippk go? |
| 05:13.03 | Metal | -p |
| 05:13.23 | Metal | are there any tutorials on making .ipk's? |
| 05:15.59 | Metal | :( |
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| 05:28.49 | Metal | hi |
| 05:29.03 | Metal | how are .ipk's made? |
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| 05:29.09 | Metal | or ummade? |
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| 05:40.19 | Metal | are there tutorials? |
| 05:40.25 | Metal | txt's |
| 05:40.30 | Metal | anything? |
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| 06:06.54 | frankps | good morning |
| 06:07.53 | Metal | hiya |
| 06:08.08 | Metal | lets build an ipk |
| 06:08.13 | frankps | :-) |
| 06:08.31 | frankps | Never done that before ... sorry |
| 06:08.41 | Metal | or lets take one apart and rebuild it |
| 06:08.45 | Metal | darn |
| 06:09.05 | Metal | know anyone who has? |
| 06:09.33 | frankps | XavierXeon and koergoth for sure |
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| 06:17.41 | Metal | gah |
| 06:25.34 | Metal | .ipk's? |
| 06:29.04 | fliplap | skate or die on a PDA rocks :-) |
| 06:29.21 | yeiazel | ? |
| 06:29.35 | fliplap | using zfceu |
| 06:29.37 | Metal | 2x? |
| 06:29.50 | Metal | ahh |
| 06:29.52 | Metal | rom |
| 06:29.55 | fliplap | yeah |
| 06:30.02 | Metal | trade? :) |
| 06:30.18 | fliplap | this isn't a warez/rom channel |
| 06:30.31 | yeiazel | :) |
| 06:30.38 | yeiazel | /join #zauruswarez |
| 06:30.40 | oGMo | it isn't? doh! |
| 06:30.42 | oGMo | ;) |
| 06:30.44 | fliplap | heh |
| 06:30.48 | Metal | i never had the impression it was |
| 06:30.56 | hExml | hi |
| 06:31.00 | oGMo | i'll trade you the latest OZ for a copy of GNU Emacs |
| 06:31.02 | fliplap | try google |
| 06:31.09 | Metal | wutever |
| 06:31.09 | hExml | hhe |
| 06:31.14 | hExml | zwarez |
| 06:31.17 | hExml | crazy |
| 06:31.21 | Metal | maybe i even have it already |
| 06:31.27 | Metal | hex |
| 06:31.32 | Metal | do i have it alreay? |
| 06:31.32 | hExml | sup |
| 06:31.34 | oGMo | hExml: that almost looks like zaurus misspelled |
| 06:31.35 | hExml | have what? |
| 06:31.42 | Metal | skate or die |
| 06:31.43 | oGMo | zawrez |
| 06:31.43 | hExml | Zwauruz |
| 06:31.53 | hExml | the c64 version is good |
| 06:31.54 | Metal | nm i'll look |
| 06:32.04 | hExml | the c64 version is best |
| 06:32.05 | hExml | btw |
| 06:32.07 | hExml | of skate or die |
| 06:32.09 | oGMo | i remember skate or die, but there was another game i liked more iirc |
| 06:32.12 | oGMo | 720 or something |
| 06:32.13 | hExml | http://www.lemon64.com |
| 06:32.24 | hExml | if you want 720, try zmame |
| 06:32.24 | hExml | but |
| 06:32.30 | Metal | i do have it |
| 06:32.38 | Metal | skate or die 2 as well |
| 06:32.39 | oGMo | i forget which one had the big area you could just freestyle in |
| 06:32.39 | hExml | it has high sys |
| 06:32.44 | fliplap | how well does zmame run? |
| 06:32.50 | hExml | i haven't run zmame |
| 06:32.54 | hExml | so I don't know |
| 06:32.56 | hExml | but I plan too |
| 06:32.59 | oGMo | i'd rather just get a flash cart and run NES games on my GBA ;) |
| 06:33.01 | hExml | I just want to play dig dug |
| 06:33.02 | fliplap | you can freestyle in skate or die, but just on the ramp |
| 06:33.12 | hExml | dig dug is the greatest game ever |
| 06:33.19 | oGMo | hExml: hehe they have a port to linux of that, did someone compile it for the Z yet? |
| 06:33.22 | oGMo | er |
| 06:33.23 | oGMo | digger, actually |
| 06:33.29 | oGMo | digger was cool |
| 06:33.38 | hExml | dig dug is coolest though |
| 06:33.44 | oGMo | dig dug was ok |
| 06:33.47 | hExml | no |
| 06:33.51 | hExml | dig dug owns |
| 06:34.10 | oGMo | digger was faster paced |
| 06:34.18 | hExml | dig dug is a classic |
| 06:34.39 | Metal | missle command |
| 06:35.01 | oGMo | i'll stick with super mario 3 ;) |
| 06:35.20 | Metal | hex |
| 06:35.34 | Metal | there's 600 roms in this file |
| 06:35.45 | Metal | christ |
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| 06:37.47 | Metal | wb fdask |
| 06:37.54 | fdask | hi |
| 06:38.51 | Metal | lets open an .ipk |
| 06:39.46 | Metal | and discect it |
| 06:43.44 | hExml | sorry |
| 06:44.04 | hExml | i won't send 600 roms next time |
| 06:51.25 | Metal | iforgive you |
| 06:51.43 | Metal | but now i have to get another flash card |
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| 06:53.21 | hExml | yes |
| 06:53.28 | hExml | get a 2 gigger |
| 06:56.16 | Metal | mmmmm |
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| 11:42.02 | zap-zero | !s "Sharp LL-T2010W" |
| 11:42.06 | zap-zero | ww |
| 11:43.46 | effy-kun | hi |
| 11:43.53 | effy-kun | you know how to re-flash a C700? |
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| 13:27.35 | mark | Neo|Work: ping |
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| 15:03.21 | dougheckaa | hm |
| 15:12.34 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:12.44 | mr_science | morning |
| 15:14.54 | mark | heya chouimat |
| 15:29.53 | CuCullin | I hate quicktime. |
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| 15:31.58 | shishi | hello |
| 15:32.13 | shishi | someone know if there is a room for debian on Z ? |
| 15:32.39 | kergoth | i dont know of one |
| 15:32.42 | kergoth | this would be the place |
| 15:32.44 | kergoth | hey ChipX86 |
| 15:32.50 | ChipX86 | hey kergoth |
| 15:32.50 | raceme | shishi: i don't know but there is #zaurusfr if you want to speak french :) |
| 15:33.06 | shishi | hello raceme i join :) |
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| 16:01.35 | fusion94 | anyone awake ? |
| 16:02.55 | chouimat | no |
| 16:03.32 | kergoth | hey fusion94, TimRiker |
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| 16:34.28 | nichos | congrats on the job kergoth |
| 16:34.55 | nichos | ok, has anyone had any problems w/sandisk, or is this just a rumor? mine seems to be a piece of shit. files get currupted almost daily on it |
| 16:34.57 | kergoth | thanks |
| 16:35.01 | nichos | is it sandisk, or problems w/sd? |
| 16:35.09 | kergoth | i've heard numerous sandisk card horror stories |
| 16:35.19 | kergoth | so if its rumor, its a pretty persistant one |
| 16:35.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:35.26 | nichos | fine, its going on ebay |
| 16:37.27 | absentiaS | does anyone know of a page that shows benchmarks of the pxa250 vs other cpus, etc? |
| 16:38.33 | nichos | is MMC better? |
| 16:39.41 | chouimat | kergoth: anything I can do because I'm bored and I working on a palmos -> qtopia layer |
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| 16:42.06 | dougheckaa | chouimat: palmos -> qtopia? |
| 16:42.47 | chouimat | dougheckaa: never ... I try to do palm api in qtopia |
| 16:42.59 | chouimat | s/never/nevermind |
| 16:43.03 | dougheckaa | ah |
| 16:43.28 | dougheckaa | so. mplayer SAYS is can play quicktime videos |
| 16:43.35 | dougheckaa | but nooo, it doesnt |
| 16:44.30 | Twiun | dougheckaa: it _can_ just not all of them |
| 16:45.01 | dougheckaa | its qt 5 |
| 16:45.05 | Twiun | doesn't xine now have better qt support anyway? |
| 16:45.06 | dougheckaa | so its not even that old |
| 16:45.12 | dougheckaa | I think so |
| 16:45.20 | dougheckaa | but whos gonna compile the latest for oz? |
| 16:45.27 | Twiun | nah, mplayer's qt support was stuck at 3 I think - legal hassles |
| 16:45.34 | dougheckaa | oh |
| 16:45.49 | dougheckaa | the latest xine is supposed to work |
| 16:45.52 | Twiun | but if xine can now do it, mplayer should follow close behind |
| 16:45.56 | dougheckaa | but op2 has... problems.. |
| 16:46.14 | Twiun | biggest problem is that mplayer uses native libs from windows... x86 native libs |
| 16:46.23 | dougheckaa | yea |
| 16:46.25 | dougheckaa | xine doesnt?? |
| 16:46.40 | Twiun | not sure about it, so I'd rather not answer :) |
| 16:47.00 | dougheckaa | hah |
| 16:47.19 | dougheckaa | well, I would be happy with xine if it wasnt for op2 crashing |
| 16:47.25 | dougheckaa | taking the whole system down with it |
| 16:48.20 | Twiun | last time I tried op2 it was a resource hog... and I never got mplayer to run happily either :( |
| 16:49.07 | kergoth | chouimat: you're bored? write me a class that inherits QTabDialog but lets me display any arbitrary QWidget inside the tab, instead of only an icon or text. |
| 16:49.14 | kergoth | chouimat: :) I need it for the new launcher |
| 16:52.19 | kergoth | hmm, this isnt that hard |
| 16:52.19 | chouimat | kergoth: ok |
| 16:52.28 | kergoth | chouimat: you want to do it or should I? :) |
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| 16:53.24 | kergoth | chouimat: looks like the easiest way is to create OTab, which contains a status widget, and teach the otabbar to handle it |
| 16:53.38 | chouimat | kergoth: give me a minute to thing about it |
| 16:53.44 | kergoth | k |
| 16:54.00 | kergoth | basically this'll give us a more extensible tab display, instead of just icon or text |
| 16:54.15 | chouimat | kergoth: QTabWidget ? |
| 16:54.48 | kergoth | QTabWidget is a qtabbar and a qwidgetstack, connected so that tapping on a tab brings its widget to the front |
| 16:55.01 | kergoth | what i meant was, i need a qtabbar, not a qtabwidget |
| 16:55.09 | kergoth | qtabwidget just uses the tab bar you hand it |
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| 16:55.28 | kergoth | this qt stuff is kinda fun |
| 16:56.03 | chouimat | kergoth: I think I need to teach my cat to don't get on my lap when I'm working |
| 16:56.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:56.15 | kergoth | i have the same problem |
| 16:57.54 | Twiun | chouimat: done that - mine stays on the floor |
| 16:58.54 | chouimat | and I fetched the "teaching stick" too |
| 16:59.18 | Twiun | euphemism for baseball bat? |
| 16:59.41 | chouimat | Twiun: nah! rolled newspaper with duck tape |
| 16:59.52 | Twiun | chouimat: sticky side out? |
| 17:00.12 | chouimat | Twiun: no just the solidify the stick |
| 17:00.25 | Twiun | lol |
| 17:00.51 | chouimat | Twiun: and to make a better sound on my cat head |
| 17:01.11 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:01.42 | chouimat | kergoth: very handy when I eat :) |
| 17:02.12 | chouimat | speaking oog that .... lunch time |
| 17:03.07 | chouimat|lunch | ~lart sourceforge |
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| 17:09.01 | minipanda | kergoth: i'm just trying to use 64RAM ROM, but meet an very strange problem, that i can not clear umount my SD card |
| 17:10.27 | minipanda | and next time i boot up my Z, they always do ext2 check and told me that "ext2fs_check_if_mount: No such file or directory while determinig whether /dev/mmcda1 is mounted " |
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| 17:15.42 | dougheckaa | I live in louisville |
| 17:16.52 | dougheckaa | hmm, 300 KB/s over usb... |
| 17:16.53 | dougheckaa | odd |
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| 17:24.42 | dougheckaa | what does Xmms use? xine? |
| 17:24.43 | dougheckaa | or mplayer? |
| 17:24.48 | kergoth | mplayer |
| 17:24.55 | dougheckaa | icky, ok |
| 17:25.05 | dougheckaa | I got it to play video mpeg |
| 17:25.06 | kergoth | mplayer's icky? |
| 17:25.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:25.12 | dougheckaa | but mplayer crashed on the audio |
| 17:27.06 | dougheckaa | whats the most stable opieplayer? |
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| 18:33.29 | TimRiker | ~seen benmeyer |
| 18:33.30 | | benmeyer <~ben@ool-4351483a.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 121d 12h 8m 36s ago, saying: 'hehe'. |
| 18:38.32 | kergoth | ~seen icefox |
| 18:38.33 | | icefox is currently on #zaurus (23h 3m 57s) #openembedded (23h 3m 57s). Has said a total of 38 messages. Is idling for 18m 4s |
| 18:38.34 | kergoth | TimRiker: ^^ |
| 18:40.06 | icefox | hey kergoth |
| 18:40.16 | icefox | hi Tim |
| 18:44.20 | icefox | hmm guess he just wanted to see me |
| 18:44.28 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:44.46 | icefox | oh wait it was looking for benmeyer and not icefox |
| 18:44.57 | icefox | ibot benmeyer |
| 18:44.58 | | methinks benmeyer is icefox |
| 18:45.42 | kergoth | damn openzaurus-users is busy nowadays |
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| 18:52.16 | CarlosOliva | lo ppl |
| 19:11.04 | CarlosOliva | do you guys know where i could find some sort of promocional video for the sl5500? something kinda a tv ad or something |
| 19:11.54 | redtoade-w | can anybody point me to the "sharp I/O port" pinout or schematic? |
| 19:12.09 | levi | I find a lot of TV ads on TV. |
| 19:12.21 | levi | Though I've never seen one for the sl5500. |
| 19:12.21 | kergoth | redtoade-w: afaik thats available only under NDA. |
| 19:19.36 | cor | CarlosOliva: i don't suppose this helps: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=732 |
| 19:19.49 | CarlosOliva | lemme see |
| 19:20.28 | CarlosOliva | mmm |
| 19:20.35 | CarlosOliva | that's not exactly what i'm looking for |
| 19:20.42 | CarlosOliva | but i guess i can get some material from there |
| 19:20.59 | cor | CarlosOliva: the only other thing i can think of is on the sharp site there is a little flash (or quicktime) animation |
| 19:21.10 | CarlosOliva | yeah i think i saw that |
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| 19:49.22 | doughecka | bloody annoying |
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| 19:52.10 | fdask | anyone seen rev|pda today? |
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| 19:57.06 | doughecka | VNC to heck.no-ip.com :) |
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| 19:59.37 | doughecka | hey BZFlag |
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| 20:00.38 | icefox | hey tim |
| 20:00.42 | doughecka | op me too |
| 20:00.43 | icefox | looking for me earlier? |
| 20:00.46 | doughecka | while ur at it :P |
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| 20:55.13 | bur[n]er | has anyone used debian to connect to a zaurus? |
| 20:55.36 | kergoth | of course |
| 20:55.53 | bur[n]er | what package do i need? |
| 20:55.55 | bur[n]er | gnome-pilot? |
| 20:56.04 | kergoth | uh, what? |
| 20:56.11 | kergoth | connection has nothing to do with guis |
| 20:56.13 | kergoth | or syncing |
| 20:56.15 | kergoth | or anything else |
| 20:56.17 | treke | or palm pilots |
| 20:56.20 | kergoth | read the howtos on zaurus.com |
| 20:56.22 | kergoth | that too |
| 20:56.52 | bur[n]er | can i just mount a usb filesystem? |
| 20:56.56 | bur[n]er | bah, i'll just read |
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| 21:09.35 | doughecka | anyone know WHY openplayer wont uninstall itsseld? |
| 21:09.37 | doughecka | self |
| 21:15.06 | doughecka | hmm, would a PCMCIA>cf adaptor work with a pcmcia wifi card? |
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| 21:26.56 | TMM1 | doughecka: it should |
| 21:27.04 | doughecka | even if its 5 volts? |
| 21:27.26 | doughecka | trying to find out |
| 21:27.30 | doughecka | if its 5 volts |
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| 21:30.19 | doughecka | bah |
| 21:30.23 | doughecka | cisco is no help at all |
| 21:37.24 | harold | I'm getting my 5600 tomorrow |
| 21:37.30 | dougheckaa | cool |
| 21:37.45 | harold | What should I do with it first? ;) |
| 21:37.53 | treke | send me 400 dollars |
| 21:37.54 | dougheckaa | throw it |
| 21:38.03 | harold | lol |
| 21:38.27 | harold | I was thinking more along the lines of what apps I should install |
| 21:38.35 | dougheckaa | OZ! |
| 21:38.37 | dougheckaa | ~OZ |
| 21:38.37 | | well, oz is see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus |
| 21:38.41 | treke | install that one app that sends me 400 dollars |
| 21:39.58 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 21:40.10 | kergoth | dougheckaa: OZ doesnt work on the 5600 yet |
| 21:40.15 | kergoth | it will though |
| 21:40.16 | dougheckaa | oh? |
| 21:40.18 | kergoth | i have one sitting here |
| 21:40.21 | dougheckaa | ah |
| 21:40.52 | Metal | doom is the one app that every Z should have |
| 21:41.04 | dougheckaa | yah' |
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| 21:41.26 | dougheckaa | doom |
| 21:41.29 | dougheckaa | you need doom |
| 21:41.38 | Metal | i'm still tryin to get m prboom to run heretic |
| 21:41.53 | harold | Where should I get the .wads? |
| 21:41.56 | Metal | it does on a desktop |
| 21:42.10 | dougheckaa | kazaa |
| 21:42.13 | Metal | it works with the share ware wad |
| 21:42.33 | Metal | #oldgames on efnet has all the doom.wad's |
| 21:42.45 | Metal | heretic and hexen too |
| 21:42.51 | Metal | which should run |
| 21:43.18 | Metal | an d soon as i figure out how to get them running i will share the secret with all |
| 21:43.57 | Metal | http://de.geocities.com/apillath/ZaurusDoom.html |
| 21:44.23 | harold | What, you don't think I saw it already? ;) |
| 21:44.24 | Metal | you need to install prboom the doom demo and 5 libs |
| 21:44.32 | Metal | heh |
| 21:44.38 | Metal | ok ok :) |
| 21:44.53 | harold | kazaa? are you on windoze? |
| 21:45.13 | subdue | anyone bought the cell phone attachment for the Z? |
| 21:45.46 | harold | any site with hints/tricks/doc for the Z? |
| 21:46.14 | dougheckaa | trashdump.com |
| 21:48.58 | harold | you're so helpful dougheckaa |
| 21:52.33 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 21:53.20 | harold | anyone know of a "tough case" for the 5600? |
| 21:53.41 | dougheckaa | cardboardboxes.com |
| 21:54.04 | subdue | dough's credibility is sinking fast |
| 21:54.42 | dougheckaa | too fast |
| 21:55.59 | dougheckaa | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3023061069&category=11182 |
| 21:56.01 | harold | you're telling me |
| 21:56.05 | dougheckaa | would that work on the zaurus? |
| 21:56.14 | dougheckaa | it would fit really neat |
| 21:57.10 | subdue | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport |
| 21:57.17 | subdue | if it's there, it'll support it |
| 21:57.22 | subdue | otherwise, I wouldn't chance it |
| 21:57.27 | dougheckaa | ooh, cool |
| 21:57.29 | harold | wouldn't buy from that ebay seller, tho |
| 21:57.34 | dougheckaa | harold: oh? |
| 21:57.47 | subdue | harold: http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=index |
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| 21:58.14 | subdue | harold: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/ |
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| 21:58.36 | Zxcvb_ | finally, gameboy advance on the zaurus |
| 21:58.47 | fdask | at like 1% speed or what |
| 21:58.53 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 21:58.56 | dougheckaa | 2% |
| 21:58.59 | dougheckaa | please, be fair |
| 21:59.14 | subdue | Zxcvb_: where? |
| 21:59.25 | subdue | Zxcvb_: ipk hopefully |
| 21:59.52 | Zxcvb_ | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 21:59.56 | Zxcvb_ | horribly slow, though |
| 22:00.03 | Zxcvb_ | it would require a fast ARM->ARM JIT |
| 22:00.13 | subdue | Zxcvb_: darn. |
| 22:00.40 | Zxcvb_ | replace the C/C++ CPU emulation core with an ARM specific one, preferably a JIT |
| 22:00.55 | harold | what is the 5600's default username and password? |
| 22:01.06 | dougheckaa | hardwire: root! :P |
| 22:01.13 | subdue | Zxcvb_: I thought the visual boy was supposed to be fast? |
| 22:01.14 | Zxcvb_ | I would settle for a NES emlator that has hardware key support (i.e. no keyboard) |
| 22:01.24 | kergoth | dougheckaa: uh, 5600 doesnt run as root by default, nor does the b500 or c700 |
| 22:01.29 | treke | dougheckaa: runs as a nonroot user |
| 22:01.32 | dougheckaa | kergoth: yea |
| 22:01.33 | Zxcvb_ | subdue: you can't use any of the ASM optimized CPU core |
| 22:01.36 | treke | zaurus iirc |
| 22:01.39 | subdue | ah |
| 22:01.40 | dougheckaa | I mean nonroot |
| 22:01.51 | treke | no. not nonroot. |
| 22:02.10 | dougheckaa | er, nonroot user |
| 22:02.11 | dougheckaa | :P |
| 22:02.19 | Zxcvb_ | dougheckaa: qemu is supposedly getting ARM support, and it allready runs wine on power pc |
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| 22:02.32 | dougheckaa | Zxcvb_: slowly I bet |
| 22:02.38 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 22:02.46 | Zxcvb_ | dougheckaa: better than em86 |
| 22:02.55 | dougheckaa | heh |
| 22:03.07 | Zxcvb_ | dougheckaa: or fx!32 in interprative mode |
| 22:03.11 | Metal | Zxcvb_:ZFCEU |
| 22:03.29 | Zxcvb_ | Metal: does that let you use the hardware keys, or do you still have to use the keyboard? |
| 22:04.05 | Zxcvb_ | Metal: when I last used zfceu, you had to use 'z' for a, and 'x' for b |
| 22:04.06 | Metal | hardware |
| 22:04.12 | Metal | really? |
| 22:04.18 | Metal | http://zsi2.stonekeep.com/index.php?v=d&a=655 |
| 22:04.22 | Metal | not me |
| 22:04.24 | Zxcvb_ | Metal: that was before the new one |
| 22:04.26 | treke | Zxcvb_: just change the keycodes |
| 22:04.36 | dougheckaa | gameboy emus never worked for me :( |
| 22:04.43 | treke | Zxcvb_: the "hardware keys" are just different keycodes |
| 22:04.46 | fdask | anyone seen rev |
| 22:04.51 | Zxcvb_ | treke: binary patching, ick |
| 22:04.58 | treke | get the source |
| 22:04.59 | treke | fix it |
| 22:05.07 | Metal | treke: how do you change the keycodes? |
| 22:05.27 | treke | Metal: download source. read where it reads the keyboard. change code |
| 22:05.31 | Zxcvb_ | a frameskip of 30? |
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| 22:05.44 | Zxcvb_ | that can't be right |
| 22:05.44 | subdue | how do we synch our hancom docs with our desktop? |
| 22:05.50 | dougheckaa | fish |
| 22:06.09 | Zxcvb_ | subdue: if they are in hancom mobile foo format, you need hancom office on the desktop |
| 22:06.21 | subdue | Zxcvb_: ah |
| 22:06.44 | Zxcvb_ | subdue: unless you can figure out the hancom mobile office file formats |
| 22:06.45 | subdue | Zxcvb_: saved it in .txt, but the sync software didnt seem to know it's there |
| 22:07.37 | harold | I think the 5600's default username is "zaurus" |
| 22:08.01 | Zxcvb_ | Metal: what frameskip does it use, I know it can't be 30 |
| 22:08.03 | fdask | if u goto a console and type 'whoami' doesn't it tell u? |
| 22:08.33 | dougheckaa | who am i? |
| 22:09.02 | harold | that's a question we should all ponder |
| 22:09.07 | fdask | 'whoami' |
| 22:09.20 | fdask | its a command |
| 22:09.21 | harold | fdask: I'm gettiing it tommorow |
| 22:09.29 | fdask | should report what username you are currently logged in as. |
| 22:09.46 | fdask | harold: u don't have a zaurus? |
| 22:09.51 | dougheckaa | not yet |
| 22:09.54 | harold | It's in the mail |
| 22:09.56 | dougheckaa | tomorrow :D |
| 22:10.19 | Zxcvb_ | finally got divx working |
| 22:10.23 | dougheckaa | hah |
| 22:10.31 | Zxcvb_ | 240MB for a 2 hour movie, though |
| 22:10.38 | subdue | Zxcvb_: was it worth it? |
| 22:10.46 | dougheckaa | wow |
| 22:10.47 | Zxcvb_ | subdue: found a good howto |
| 22:10.59 | Zxcvb_ | resolution of 240x??? using hyperscale |
| 22:11.08 | subdue | Zxcvb_: hmm.. interesting |
| 22:11.13 | Zxcvb_ | i.e. maintain height/width ration |
| 22:11.18 | Zxcvb_ | oh, divx 3.11 alpha |
| 22:11.20 | subdue | Zxcvb_: thought about adding other formats, but wasn't sure it was worth it |
| 22:11.24 | Zxcvb_ | fast motion |
| 22:11.45 | harold | is the usb-over-ethernet for the 5600 any different than the howto? |
| 22:11.46 | fdask | harold: where did u order from? |
| 22:11.47 | Zxcvb_ | opieplayer2 |
| 22:11.47 | subdue | Zxcvb_: was going to settle for the mpeg1. how much space + movie space? |
| 22:11.51 | harold | amazon.com |
| 22:12.02 | dougheckaa | op2 wont start for me |
| 22:12.03 | fdask | how much? |
| 22:12.06 | dougheckaa | and I cant uniinstall it |
| 22:12.11 | Zxcvb_ | sometimes crashes when you use the slider to fast forward/rewind, though |
| 22:12.37 | Zxcvb_ | subdue: if I had to guess, between 2 to 3 MB at 240x??? resolution |
| 22:12.44 | harold | $450 w/$50 rebate |
| 22:12.54 | fdask | USD? |
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| 22:13.04 | harold | sorry, after $50 rebate USD |
| 22:13.09 | Zxcvb_ | subdue: you don't notice the blockiness and all that on the zaurus screen |
| 22:13.26 | harold | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000088EDE/ |
| 22:13.52 | harold | what services/servers does the 5600 ship with? |
| 22:14.16 | Zxcvb_ | I just got a power bank for my 5500 |
| 22:14.21 | dougheckaa | Zxcvb_: ? |
| 22:14.29 | tech2k | i got synaptic for apt-get working on my sl-5500 :) |
| 22:14.43 | Zxcvb_ | http://www.semsons.com/powerbank.html |
| 22:14.54 | dougheckaa | cool! |
| 22:15.01 | Zxcvb_ | a nimh AA battery charger and power pack |
| 22:15.07 | Zxcvb_ | and yes, it does use a voltage regulator |
| 22:15.13 | dougheckaa | sweet |
| 22:15.23 | Zxcvb_ | most other extenders just use a diode or resistor, if they use anything |
| 22:15.35 | Zxcvb_ | had my 5500 going on mp3 for over three hours |
| 22:15.42 | fdask | Zxcvb: where did u order yours from |
| 22:15.43 | dougheckaa | wow |
| 22:15.45 | fdask | i see them on ebay |
| 22:15.49 | Zxcvb_ | http://www.semsons.com/powerbank.html |
| 22:15.59 | Zxcvb_ | fdask: the ones on ebay don't have voltage control |
| 22:16.21 | Zxcvb_ | fdask: the power bank will output exactly 5v (or 6v, and that's from 4 1.2 volt batteries!) |
| 22:16.35 | dougheckaa | wow |
| 22:16.58 | Zxcvb_ | must use some kind of dc-dc step up chip and regulator |
| 22:16.59 | fdask | $40 USD? ouch. |
| 22:17.08 | fdask | people don't seem to have any problems with the $9 ones from ebay |
| 22:17.14 | Zxcvb_ | voltage regulator chips aren't cheap |
| 22:17.29 | Zxcvb_ | especially efficient ones |
| 22:17.31 | tech2k | how does it get 5v from 4.8v?...step up transformer |
| 22:17.33 | subdue | Zxcvb_: looks interesting |
| 22:17.57 | Zxcvb_ | tech2k: some kind of dc-dc step up circuit |
| 22:18.07 | tech2k | cool |
| 22:18.19 | Zxcvb_ | it also has a USB power output (and passthrough) |
| 22:18.36 | Zxcvb_ | so you can use it to power devices with a laptop that might not have enough power on the USB port to power say, a portable hard drive |
| 22:18.36 | dougheckaa | thats cool |
| 22:18.43 | Zxcvb_ | USB 1.1 only |
| 22:19.07 | Zxcvb_ | though it should work with USB 2.0, since it is just a passthrough, and all it does is provide power |
| 22:19.11 | dougheckaa | yea |
| 22:19.14 | dougheckaa | I would think so |
| 22:19.18 | dougheckaa | but they have usb 2.0 cables |
| 22:19.22 | Zxcvb_ | but it's not certified for USB 2.0 |
| 22:19.23 | dougheckaa | maybe theres something... |
| 22:19.41 | Zxcvb_ | USB 2.0 cables have more shielding, but I don't think there is any other difference |
| 22:19.51 | dougheckaa | hm |
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| 22:19.57 | TCMAN | hi |
| 22:20.25 | dougheckaa | HI!>!?!!>@#! |
| 22:20.26 | Zxcvb_ | also have a 1GB microdrive |
| 22:20.38 | dougheckaa | er, greetings and salutations |
| 22:20.41 | *** join/#zaurus rev|desk (~rev@umd97-20.d.umn.edu) |
| 22:20.47 | rev|desk | yooo |
| 22:21.35 | sl5500 | hello |
| 22:21.37 | fdask | hey rev |
| 22:21.47 | harold | Does the default Sharp ROM come with samba, nfs, ftp or anything like that? |
| 22:21.59 | dougheckaa | ftp |
| 22:22.02 | dougheckaa | I believe |
| 22:22.16 | TCMAN | anyone know about any samba browser for OZ ? |
| 22:22.30 | Zxcvb_ | and ftp can be accessed by anyone on any interface |
| 22:22.46 | Zxcvb_ | with the latest sharp rom, the ftp only works on the USB interface |
| 22:22.46 | harold | do you *know* or *believe* doug? (there is a small difference ;) |
| 22:23.02 | rev|desk | final blow |
| 22:23.05 | rev|desk | er finakls |
| 22:23.06 | rev|desk | ack |
| 22:23.11 | rev|desk | they blow so much i cannot say their name |
| 22:23.12 | dougheckaa | harold: I know! |
| 22:23.49 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: do you have to stay the whole time, even though the final itself might take 15-30 minutes? |
| 22:24.03 | rev|desk | pfft hell no |
| 22:24.11 | harold | what passwd/username for ftp? |
| 22:24.11 | rev|desk | but i can't say i've had a final that took 15 minutes since freshman year |
| 22:24.31 | rev|desk | and that sucked... saturday freaking AM, 7:30 AM, zen buddhism final, took 5 frigging minutes |
| 22:24.38 | rev|desk | how unzen |
| 22:24.51 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: if it's mostly multiple guess, and not comprehensive, then yes |
| 22:25.00 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: s/mostly/completely |
| 22:25.16 | rev|desk | all of mine are short essay types |
| 22:26.54 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: those are often the hardest |
| 22:27.17 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: though it depends on how much of the grade is for the content, and how much is points off for obscure grammar rules |
| 22:28.15 | rev|desk | heh |
| 22:28.18 | Metal | rev |
| 22:28.21 | rev|desk | luckily i don't have profs that pull that |
| 22:28.24 | rev|desk | Metal |
| 22:28.34 | Metal | rev from efnet? |
| 22:28.39 | rev|desk | but my gf, who is doing antropology has profs who do that |
| 22:28.49 | rev|desk | on efnet, i usually go by revAaron actually |
| 22:28.56 | rev|desk | in #newton |
| 22:29.19 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: what happens if you get a negative grade? |
| 22:29.23 | Metal | ok the rev i am thinking of prollywouldnt have a gf anyways :) |
| 22:29.28 | rev|desk | Metal: heh |
| 22:29.35 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: do the points come off your next assignment, or is it just converted to zero? |
| 22:29.38 | rev|desk | Zxcvb_: a *negative* grade? how do you get one of theose? |
| 22:29.43 | rev|desk | they're not possible |
| 22:29.47 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: sure it is |
| 22:29.48 | rev|desk | at least not in the usual american system |
| 22:29.57 | rev|desk | although i imagine some prof or teacher somewhere does that |
| 22:30.00 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: say the paper is 500 points |
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| 22:30.03 | rev|desk | but i've never heard of that throughout all of my schooling |
| 22:30.12 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: but it's 5 points off for any grammar errors |
| 22:30.29 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: if you make more than 100 errors, you have a negative grade |
| 22:30.42 | rev|desk | i suppose |
| 22:30.47 | rev|desk | i think if you really did that poorly |
| 22:30.49 | rev|desk | you'd just get an F |
| 22:30.54 | rev|desk | but it'd stop there |
| 22:31.05 | rev|desk | you woldn't have carryover negative points |
| 22:31.07 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: so it wouldn't lower your grade on other assignments? |
| 22:31.08 | rev|desk | Zxcvb_: where are you? |
| 22:31.09 | TCMAN | that reminds me that lowest possible SAT stunt on slashdot |
| 22:31.12 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: US |
| 22:31.17 | rev|desk | really? what school? |
| 22:31.25 | rev|desk | yeah, you couldn't lower your grade in any other assignment |
| 22:31.32 | rev|desk | i've never heard of that ever, in college or before |
| 22:31.34 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: with most instructors, anything lower than zero on an assignment becomes zero |
| 22:31.41 | harold | do you guys use a screen protector? |
| 22:31.47 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 22:31.47 | rev|desk | same here |
| 22:31.52 | rev|desk | harold: i do |
| 22:32.01 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: and it is rare to use percentages |
| 22:32.13 | rev|desk | Zxcvb_: what do you mean? |
| 22:32.14 | TCMAN | harold: nope |
| 22:32.16 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: the percentage grade is only calculated at the end |
| 22:32.22 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: each assignment is worth X points |
| 22:32.25 | rev|desk | hrmm |
| 22:32.38 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: at the end of the class, all points are added together, and divided by the total possible points |
| 22:32.39 | rev|desk | for all th classes i've had, you get percentages and grades for each item |
| 22:32.52 | rev|desk | if the whole class is curved based on points, then it's refigured bassed on points |
| 22:32.56 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 22:33.03 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: it's worse to do percentages per item |
| 22:33.16 | rev|desk | how so? |
| 22:33.24 | rev|desk | it's irrelevant, at least the way i see it done |
| 22:33.29 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: try it, give each item 100 points, and do it both ways |
| 22:33.32 | rev|desk | you just get the percentage so you know what grade or so you got it |
| 22:33.54 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: and points make it easier to give different assignments different weight |
| 22:34.09 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: for example, one test is 500 points, but an assignment is only 100 |
| 22:34.12 | rev|desk | naturally |
| 22:34.18 | rev|desk | if you're talking about tallying up, sure |
| 22:34.26 | rev|desk | but percentages and poitns are just as freely convertable |
| 22:34.32 | rev|desk | but most classes i've had figured points |
| 22:34.43 | rev|desk | and then total points you got / total points possible = your grade |
| 22:34.49 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: percentages are easily convertable if all assignments contribute equaly |
| 22:35.22 | rev|desk | not even then, just as long as you know how many points each assignment is worth |
| 22:36.41 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: but suppose your tests were 80%, 50%, 95%, and 100%, and your assignments were 95%, 98%, 40%, 89%, and 93% |
| 22:36.57 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: and all assignments added together have the weight of 1 test |
| 22:37.13 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: isn't that alot harder to do than points? |
| 22:37.16 | rev|desk | sure it is |
| 22:37.38 | rev|desk | i don' t really see the point of this- as long as you know the value, point wise, of each assignment, you can convert freely back and forth |
| 22:37.39 | rev|desk | i mean |
| 22:37.49 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: I am talking about not using points |
| 22:37.50 | rev|desk | i can't imagine any prof assigning a percentage to an assignment just randomly |
| 22:37.55 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: i.e. percentage only |
| 22:37.56 | rev|desk | why both to not use points? |
| 22:38.22 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: like if you get 20 questions, and you get 2 wrong, then it's 90% |
| 22:38.38 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: as opposed to having each question worth X points |
| 22:39.09 | rev|desk | why bother then that is the same as saying the test is 100 points, each q is worth 5 points |
| 22:39.15 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: think back to high school, junior high, etc |
| 22:39.20 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: no points were used |
| 22:40.13 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: though that was mainly because of scantron limitations |
| 22:40.46 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: the same reason you very rarely see multiple choice with more than one correct answer |
| 22:43.04 | rev|desk | hrmm |
| 22:43.28 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: the older scantrons only supported tests with one right answer, and everything else wrong |
| 22:43.38 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: and all questions must be equal weight |
| 22:43.49 | tech2k | when they have a penelty for guessing on a test how do they know if you guessed or were just wrong |
| 22:44.04 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: probabilities |
| 22:44.16 | rev|desk | ah |
| 22:44.18 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: the idea is that guessing randomly the whole test gets a zero |
| 22:44.28 | bur[n]er | Zxcvb_: hi man... long time!! didn't know you were a zaurus user ;) |
| 22:44.39 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: so you get 1 point for a correct answer, but lose say, 1/4 point for a wrong one |
| 22:44.58 | rev|desk | mmhmm |
| 22:45.04 | Zxcvb_ | rev|desk: but if you can narrow it down to 2 possible answers, then guess, as you gain an average of 1/2 a point |
| 22:45.16 | Zxcvb_ | bur[n]er: yeah |
| 22:45.30 | Zxcvb_ | bur[n]er: now openzaurus 3.2 |
| 22:45.51 | bur[n]er | is there advantages to OZ? I am still running the basic sharp thing |
| 22:46.06 | Zxcvb_ | bur[n]er: first, get operacreator, jeodcreator, and hancomcreator |
| 22:46.08 | rev|desk | Zxcvb_: yup |
| 22:46.22 | Zxcvb_ | bur[n]er: run them, and copy the ipks to compactflash |
| 22:46.30 | bur[n]er | cf... rrrrrrrright |
| 22:46.33 | Zxcvb_ | bur[n]er: openzaurus does not have a GUI for dialup |
| 22:46.40 | bur[n]er | no worries |
| 22:46.51 | Zxcvb_ | bur[n]er: or secure digital, if you prefer |
| 22:47.01 | bur[n]er | i don't have either |
| 22:47.03 | Zxcvb_ | bur[n]er: just have about 20MB free in some external storage |
| 22:47.03 | bur[n]er | any other ideas? |
| 22:47.10 | Zxcvb_ | bur[n]er: nope |
| 22:47.17 | Zxcvb_ | bur[n]er: and OZ is best with sd/mmc |
| 22:47.29 | subdue | bur[n]er: buy one. it's worth the investment to get a sd or cf card |
| 22:47.37 | bur[n]er | y? |
| 22:47.40 | subdue | bur[n]er: it's not that expensive now either |
| 22:47.47 | bur[n]er | i can't flash to OZ without sd or cf? |
| 22:47.49 | Zxcvb_ | subdue: 128MB mmc cards aren't too hard to find, and work better |
| 22:47.54 | subdue | bur[n]er: putting stuff on the cf makes for more room |
| 22:47.55 | Zxcvb_ | bur[n]er: you must have CF to flash |
| 22:48.12 | bur[n]er | aww shitty |
| 22:48.14 | Zxcvb_ | I don't have any storage in OZ except for 4MB or so of flash |
| 22:48.17 | tech2k | get both if you can...i just got a 256meg sd card for 66 bucks |
| 22:48.28 | Zxcvb_ | and a 1GB microdrive for $200 |
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| 22:48.45 | subdue | Zxcvb_: how well does the microdrive work for you compared to the cf? |
| 22:48.57 | Zxcvb_ | microdrive is CF |
| 22:49.00 | Zxcvb_ | but it is a true hard drive |
| 22:49.05 | Zxcvb_ | so treat it like one |
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| 22:49.15 | subdue | I thought there were a few issues with the microdrive? |
| 22:49.17 | Zxcvb_ | you wouldn't throw your ipod around |
| 22:49.23 | subdue | right |
| 22:49.33 | Zxcvb_ | subdue: no issues not present with any other portable device using a hard drive |
| 22:49.42 | subdue | ok |
| 22:49.43 | Zxcvb_ | subdue: you can't treat it like a flash ram card |
| 22:50.00 | Zxcvb_ | subdue: the 340MB ones will overheat and destroy the zaurus |
| 22:50.04 | subdue | ow |
| 22:50.05 | rev|desk | eww |
| 22:50.13 | subdue | didnt know that |
| 22:50.19 | rev|desk | but granted, it is PCMCIA not CF |
| 22:50.22 | Zxcvb_ | some (newer?) 340MB are fine |
| 22:50.26 | Zxcvb_ | and the 1GB are great |
| 22:50.33 | Zxcvb_ | the 1GB doesn't get hotter than the backlight |
| 22:50.40 | Zxcvb_ | still eats up battery power |
| 22:51.06 | subdue | I can imagine it must chew up a lot of power |
| 22:51.25 | Zxcvb_ | good thing I have a battery pack |
| 22:51.33 | subdue | I was thinking of picking up a 256M sd card |
| 22:51.36 | Zxcvb_ | it is said to triple the battery life |
| 22:51.48 | Zxcvb_ | do NOT play video, such as divx, off of SD |
| 22:51.54 | subdue | Zxcvb_: yeah, I was thinking of the power pack |
| 22:52.04 | subdue | Zxcvb_: it'll be for storage of programs mostly |
| 22:52.17 | subdue | Zxcvb_: the video would be on the cf card |
| 22:52.22 | Zxcvb_ | $40 is kind of steep, but it works for almost anything, even devices that charge through USB |
| 22:52.38 | TCMAN | Zxcvb_: what kind of battery pack do you have? |
| 22:52.40 | subdue | Zxcvb_: well, right now I carry a ton of cords, so ... |
| 22:53.02 | Zxcvb_ | http://www.semsons.com/powerbank.html |
| 22:53.25 | Zxcvb_ | and yes, it uses a voltage regulator to keep it exactly at 5V, and will shut off if it can't maintain 5V |
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| 22:53.51 | Zxcvb_ | the voltage regulator (and dc-dc step up circuit for 6 volts) is why it costs so much |
| 22:54.01 | harold | I thought SD cards didn't work |
| 22:54.02 | TCMAN | Zxcvb_: cool |
| 22:54.04 | harold | only MMC |
| 22:54.09 | Zxcvb_ | SD work |
| 22:54.14 | Zxcvb_ | but SD has problems with ext2 format |
| 22:54.15 | rev|desk | my SD works great |
| 22:54.26 | harold | so what format to use? |
| 22:54.29 | Zxcvb_ | need to try the new zfceu |
| 22:54.35 | Zxcvb_ | harold: ext2, always |
| 22:54.49 | harold | so why yse a card that has problems with the fs? |
| 22:54.51 | TCMAN | Zxcvb_: its kinda big |
| 22:55.07 | tech2k | i am running debian-arm on a 256meg SD card without problem formated to ext2 |
| 22:55.12 | Zxcvb_ | harold: there is an inexpensive kodak multicard reader (compactflash including microdrive, sd/mmc, smartmedia, and memory stick) |
| 22:55.26 | Zxcvb_ | harold: it's at walmart, and works perfectly in linux |
| 22:55.49 | tech2k | Knoppix is great to use with the card readers...makes the cards "plug and play" |
| 22:55.53 | Zxcvb_ | TCMAN: it has to hold 4 AA batteries, a nimh charging system, and voltage regulator |
| 22:55.58 | harold | why would I want a card reader? |
| 22:56.10 | Zxcvb_ | harold: usbdnet isn't that reliable for large files |
| 22:56.11 | harold | can't I just use the Z in the USB cradle? |
| 22:56.16 | harold | ah, ok |
| 22:56.21 | Zxcvb_ | harold: be sure to use md5 |
| 22:56.34 | Zxcvb_ | have to go, bbl |
| 22:56.52 | TCMAN | Zxcvb_: yeah, but the charger should be a separate thing, and voltage regulator is one damn microchip |
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| 23:01.26 | harold_ | does the Z treat SD and MMC differently? |
| 23:03.26 | kergoth | sd requires different card init |
| 23:03.30 | kergoth | so yes, it does, and yes, it has to |
| 23:03.37 | kergoth | if you mean does the Z use the secure aspects of SD, no. |
| 23:03.43 | TimRiker | harold_: well, the code is different, but the mount point is the same. |
| 23:03.59 | treke | I think he means from a user point of view |
| 23:04.27 | TimRiker | from a user perspective, just the "SD" instead of the "MMC" in some dialogs. ;-) |
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| 23:11.10 | ljp | and sd is spelled differently than mmc |
| 23:13.58 | treke | it is? |
| 23:14.06 | kergoth | liar |
| 23:14.07 | treke | I spell them both poo |
| 23:14.10 | rev|desk | heh |
| 23:14.15 | rev|desk | i spell it "poo on treke" |
| 23:14.16 | rev|desk | so there |
| 23:14.35 | treke | rev|desk: traitor |
| 23:14.44 | rev|desk | er i mean |
| 23:14.52 | rev|desk | "poo on ibot" |
| 23:14.57 | rev|desk | that is wat i meant to say |
| 23:14.59 | kergoth | ~kill rev|desk |
| 23:15.04 | | ACTION executes killall -9 rev|desk |
| 23:15.20 | rev|desk | not again! |
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| 23:18.38 | dougheckaa | huh |
| 23:18.46 | dougheckaa | WHY oh why wont my op2 install? |
| 23:19.33 | dougheckaa | and it still wont remove itself |
| 23:20.20 | dougheckaa | lame os |
| 23:20.42 | tech2k | what os are you running? |
| 23:20.46 | dougheckaa | OZ |
| 23:20.57 | dougheckaa | actully, its ipkg's fault |
| 23:21.04 | dougheckaa | it will not remove op2 |
| 23:21.37 | tech2k | purge that baby |
| 23:21.45 | tech2k | dpkg -P pkgname |
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| 23:25.47 | dougheckaa | k |
| 23:26.04 | dougheckaa | its ipkg |
| 23:26.14 | rev|desk | dougheckaa, you should change your nic to miccheckaa |
| 23:26.30 | rev|desk | you know, cuz you check the mic |
| 23:26.38 | dougheckaa | hm? |
| 23:26.53 | rev|desk | your last name is prolly just heckaa, but i always read it as checkaa, like slang for "checker" |
| 23:27.01 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 23:27.11 | tech2k | oh..i run debian-arm on an sd card but still have dpkg in qtopia with the crow rom...oz may not have that command |
| 23:27.14 | rev|desk | i always think you'll start rapping |
| 23:28.33 | bzdoug | so how to I purge stuff in ipkg? |
| 23:31.46 | fdask | microphone checkaa |
| 23:33.32 | kergoth | ipkg sucks. |
| 23:33.33 | kergoth | you dont |
| 23:35.09 | bzdoug | :( |
| 23:35.22 | rev|desk | he said you didn't suck mang |
| 23:35.24 | rev|desk | smile |
| 23:35.28 | rev|desk | kergoth has smiles upon thee |
| 23:35.54 | kergoth | no, you dont purge |
| 23:35.56 | kergoth | of course he sucks |
| 23:36.03 | kergoth | obviously ;) |
| 23:36.09 | rev|desk | ah "you" must've been referring to me |
| 23:36.10 | rev|desk | my bad |
| 23:36.11 | kergoth | users these days. |
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