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00:01.11wParamsorry, not that I know of.  in other news, off to find some food
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00:30.17nichosare there any 'modem light' apps for the wireless CF cards?
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01:22.11omoorenichos: you mean to show activity?
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01:28.58ljphttp://opie.net.wox.org/simpad/
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01:58.51ljphey hardwire
02:01.00hardwirehey you
02:01.14ljphow bout this snow, eh?
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02:20.41Pendalarljp try the new philips one
02:26.53polin8cool
02:26.58polin8er, wong window
02:27.07chouimat|tvphilips one ?
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03:39.57Pendalarsorry
03:39.58Pendalarhttp://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9382400943.html
03:40.10PendalarI'm trying to fix rh-ensim on a rackshack box =-/
03:59.41TheMasterMind1hah
03:59.47TheMasterMind1rh.. and ensim.. and rackshack
03:59.50TheMasterMind1i feel sorry for you
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04:45.19hardwirehi
04:54.37PendalarTheMasterMind1: you have experience with them?
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04:55.32TheMasterMind1Pendalar: ?
04:55.37TheMasterMind1oh
04:55.42TheMasterMind1i have experience with rh
04:55.43TheMasterMind1it sucks
04:55.47TheMasterMind1same with ensim
04:55.57TheMasterMind1and rackshack doesn't have too great a reputation
04:56.54PendalarI can deal with RH, but ensim is a joke
04:56.58Pendalaryou update one thing and it breaks
04:57.26PendalarI'm stuck on 3.0.3-4 , when 3.1.10 is out, and nothing works
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04:58.13hartmansHi.   I'm trying to flash a Zaurus sl-5600.  I get blinking battery and mail lights instead of steady lights which is what I'm used to on a 5000-d.
04:58.21hartmansIs the flash procedure the same for the 5600?
05:00.34ivani hope you're not trying to flash OZ
05:00.47ivanif it blinks it's not doing anything
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05:01.32hartmansivan: No, I'm trying to flash a custom image I believe that should work.
05:01.41ivantry flashing again
05:01.43FreddieZhowdy everyone
05:01.43_PsychoOZ doesnt work yet for the 5600
05:01.47_Psychoactually the flash part
05:01.52ivanit took about 6 times to get it right here
05:02.02_Psychoand dont think to flash a 5500 image on a 5600
05:02.06_Psychoits sure not the same device ;)
05:03.11hartmansYeah, I'm fairly sure what I'm got is a kernel that will work on the 5600.  It's certainly 2.4.18-based and looks compatible with the modules on the original rom
05:03.13treke|laptop22why is that?
05:03.17FreddieZeven if this one breaks
05:03.56hartmansivan: Do you know what the partition type on the CF needs to be?  The filesystem is msdos, but it used to be Linux and I may have chosen the wrong partition type in fdisk
05:04.12ivanfat16
05:04.37hartmansAlso, I want a zImage and initrd.bin, just as I did with the 5000 or 5500, although of course the kernel is vastly different
05:05.51hartmansAnd hold down c, d, reset as on previous models?
05:06.28FreddieZokie
05:06.32FreddieZcyall
05:10.07_Psychohartmans, OZ image wont work on your 5600
05:10.14_Psychomaybe a new kernel but sure not OZ
05:10.49_Psychoshould be soon thought
05:10.58treke|laptopthere are known issues with OZ on the 5600 that prevent it from working. Kergoth now has a 5600 so he is working on it
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05:27.31hartmansYeah, nothing I seem to be able to do gets past blinking. I could understand completely fails to work once the kernel is installed, or crashes or something, but it seems I'm doing something wrong that is easy to fix if it won't even turn on solid lights
05:28.31hartmansI've tried most combinations of having initrd.bin, zimage, or both crossed with fat16, fat32 and fat12 with the partition type correctly set.  I've certainly tried all three filesystem types with both files present
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05:35.48hartmansI think at this point I find someone who knows Japanese
05:43.48fdaskis there a db application for the zaurus?
05:45.31treke|laptopyes
05:46.05treke|laptopfdask: portabase and tkcrekall
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06:09.40hartmansAh, sites in Japan think you want power+OK not CD+reset
06:12.33hartmansAlthough hmm, this process looks like it could suck a lot if your image is not happy after the update.
06:16.06sighttp://www.feetman.com
06:17.24hartmansOK, so google does not seem to know about updater.sh for the sl-5600 at all; the c700 updater.sh does not really work (not surprising at all) and the b500 updater.sh does not work (almost surprising)
06:17.51hartmansSo I think at this point I conclude that the Internet does not have the tools I need  publically available yet
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08:15.08George`LaptopYIKES!
08:15.12darienmYikes!
08:15.31darienmNow you know how it feels to have your entire hard drive die...
08:15.31George`LaptopARGH!
08:15.35George`Laptop?
08:15.49darienmMy 60Gb mac os x drive....*poof*
08:15.53George`Laptophahahahahahaha
08:16.09George`Laptopmy 30GB drive once went and corrupted somehow
08:16.11darienmI appreciate your sympathy
08:16.11fdaskhow
08:16.23George`Laptophad to reformat and reinstall linux/macos/macosx..
08:16.25George`Laptoptook ages
08:16.42darienmI lost my drive last Tues nite. Took 9 hours to get back to semi-productivity.
08:16.56darienmTook another 3 days to be sorta-back to where I was with applications and network connections.
08:17.17darienmI'll have to wait until the recovery lab sends me results before I know if I get back any of my data.
08:17.20George`Laptoptakes me about 3 weeks to get back to normal status
08:18.16George`Laptopinvolved partitioning, installing os x, installing tons of apps on os x, installing os 9, installing apps on os 9, installing gentoo linux, compiling lots on gentoo, cvs downloading kde, compiling kde from cvs, sorting out a ppc->arm toolchain for linux, compiling opie from cvs...
08:18.45darienmI'm not installing 9 (this time)
08:19.58George`Laptopheh
08:20.00George`LaptopI need 9
08:20.15George`Laptopmainly cause X is too fucking slow
08:20.19darienm?!
08:22.20George`Laptopwhat do you mean by ?!
08:22.26George`LaptopX is slow. That's a fact :)
08:23.34darienmI don't think so
08:23.55darienmbrb
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08:24.30darienmgah... brb again
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08:27.33darienmwhatcha probing?
08:31.18wParamhmm... holding down the email button generates a different scancode, just like the menu and cancel buttons.  i wonder what they meant to use that for..
08:33.04darienmVERSION George- Go_Eat_Yourself
08:35.22wParamyay... qtopia has been defeated on the "I control the buttons on the outside cover" front
08:37.28darienmgrr
08:37.56George`Laptopdarienm: :)
08:38.46George`Laptopwhoa, qte 2.3.5 is out
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08:42.56George`Laptophrmm
08:43.29George`Laptopblehblehblehblehblehbleh
08:43.30George`Laptopbleh
08:43.34George`Laptopblehblehblehbleh
08:43.36George`Laptopblehbleh
08:43.41darienm~lart George`Laptop
08:43.51George`Laptop~momsex darienm
08:43.52ACTION has sex with darienm's mom
08:44.02darienmknock yourself out
08:44.11George`Laptop~eat darienm
08:44.12ACTION eats darienm and falls over dead
08:44.44darienmFREE Jelly Beans
08:44.44darienmhttp://members.recipe4living.com/membership/membership.plex?home=weather-040803JB-300WK&exitPop=0&msg_id=msjbeaster
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09:51.42geniushi
09:51.55geniusis there an open source handwrite recognition?
09:52.04geniussoftware?
09:52.17Twiunfor the Zaurus?
09:52.24geniusyes
09:52.37geniusif there is one, I am pretty sure it is ported to zaurus
09:52.38Twiunafaik, at the moment, there is only the text input plugins
09:52.49geniuswhat is it?
09:52.52Twiunand of course they're open source
09:53.03geniusso it recognizes your handwrite?
09:53.32Twiunyes, but only one letter at a time
09:53.36Twiunjust like graffiti
09:53.46geniusoh i see
09:53.57geniusit doesn't recognize your own handwriting?
09:54.09TwiunYou can teach it to, but still one letter at a time
09:54.39Twiunthere isn't something that recognises a whole line of handwriting available atm afaik
09:55.10geniushmm, tablet pc has it though
09:55.45Twiunthe tablet pc is... larger, different hardware... let's see
09:55.49Twiunit's not really comparable
09:56.11geniusin some sense yes
09:56.22Twiunhow so?
09:56.28TwiuntabletPC isn't a pda?
09:56.37geniusthey are similar
09:56.53Twiunnow, compare to an iPAQ or a Clie - those are comparable
09:56.53geniusyou can run some tablet pc programs on a windows ce device
09:57.14Twiunonly if they've been 'ported' to a wince device
09:57.27geniusyes, so?
09:57.56Twiunso? the software was converted to a pda device. it's no longer a tabletpc program
09:58.30geniusso I can't compare linux and windows, because if a program is converted to a linux program it is no longer windows program?
09:58.41tigerpiganyone got a copy of a sharp ide-cs.o module?
09:58.41Twiunyou're mixing apples and oranges
09:58.59Twiungenius: linux is on x86, windows is on x86 - same hardwares
09:59.10geniusTwiun: I know what you are saying, but handwriting recognition is not particular to tablet-pcs
09:59.24Twiungenius: did I say it was?
09:59.45Twiungenius: I said that winxp embedded on a tabletpc isn't directly comparable to linux on arm hardware
09:59.52geniusno, you said you can't compare tabletpc and a pda when I bring up the fact that tabletpc has handwriting recognition
09:59.54Twiungenius: or even to wince on arm hardware for that matter
10:00.07geniusso I can compare those two in terms of handwriting recognition
10:00.51Twiunnot unless you've got such software on a pda form-factor
10:00.59Twiunand I'#d be overjoyed to see some
10:01.07geniusso anyway, we don't have open source handwriting recognition not because pdas don't demand it, but because it is expensive to develop
10:01.21Twiuneh?
10:01.29geniusvery few companies have it, and they produce software for only palm and windows ce devices and tablet pcs
10:01.43TwiunI would've thought recognising sentences would only be an extension of recognising single letters
10:01.46geniusI was wondering if there is any for linux, and according to you at least there is none
10:02.09geniusTwiun: recognizing letters itself is hard, think about millions of people having a different style
10:02.13Twiungenius: I said there are none for the Zaurus. Never made a statement for Linux as a whole
10:02.21geniusit is like voice recognition
10:02.35geniusTwiun: from that I can conclude that there is none for linux
10:02.47geniusif there was any for linux, there would be for zaurus too I believe
10:03.01Twiuneventually - and if there was enough interest
10:03.33geniusactually, maybe there is embedded devices is a good market for linux
10:03.37geniusmaybe there is one
10:03.53geniusbut probably it is not open source
10:04.13Twiuna non-open source one will produce interest
10:04.25Twiunand eventually someone will take the time to make an open source one
10:04.47geniusI believe that's quite impossible, unless some company like IBM is willing to spend money on that
10:05.01geniuscause you have to build a huge database of handwritings of people
10:05.06geniusbut that would be quite nice
10:47.28George`Laptophi Twiun
10:47.34George`LaptopTwiun: where's your criminal record?!?!
10:50.44Twiun~lart George`Laptop
10:50.49Twiunhow apt
10:51.30George`Laptop:)
11:04.44Twiun~lart George`Laptop
11:06.48Twiun~lart George`Laptop
11:08.32Twiun~lart George`Laptop
11:09.01Twiun~lart George`Laptop
11:09.59tigerpig:)
11:10.41George`Laptop:P
11:11.27Twiun~lart George`Laptop
11:11.30Twiunbah
11:11.36Twiunneed some new larts in there
11:28.57George`Laptop./lib/vsprintf.c:9: * Wirzenius wrote this portably, Torvalds fucked it up :-)
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11:38.09markTwiun: we larting George?
11:42.25George`Laptopphoen][x: I SNEAK PAST TO BUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:44.49phoen][xlets all kill george
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11:45.16mark~lart George`Laptop
11:45.43phoen][xGeorge`Laptop: look, you lost your mojo
11:51.12George`Laptophrmm
11:54.39George`Laptop<BlackMaster> boredy: install windows that will keep u bizy for 2 hours and then play some games!!!!!!!!!
11:54.39George`Laptop<boredy> BlackMaster: i've cunningly lost the cd
11:54.40George`Laptophahahaha
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12:10.54George`Laptophi ljp
12:17.45ljphi
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13:42.11markGeorge`Laptop: boo
13:42.17George`Laptophi mark
13:42.23markGeorge`Laptop: have u written it yet?
13:42.35George`Laptopmark: fuck off
13:42.40George`Laptopmark: I've got more important things to do
13:42.46markGeorge`Laptop: like?
13:42.50George`Laptopmark: like revise for GCSEs, and rewrite KLatin
13:42.59markgcse's dont need revision
13:43.11George`Laptopmark: I want to get straight A*s
13:43.22George`Laptopmark: and it doesn't help when your teachers are incompetant fuckwits
13:43.30markdo u have david ellery?
13:45.19George`Laptopmark: no I don't
13:45.23George`Laptopmark: I don't do Geography
13:45.51marktch
13:46.05markdo u know him?
13:46.25George`Laptopno
13:46.44markbah
13:49.20mark:-)
13:55.07George`Laptopblehblehblehblehblehbleh
13:55.16George-bleh to you too
13:55.30markthe onre decent thing about harrow
13:55.40George`Laptopyou know you're bored when you start talking to yourself across IRC on two different computers
13:56.11markbeats doing crappy a level maths qs
13:56.17George`Laptopqs?
13:56.30markquestions
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13:56.41George`Laptopmark: check out zorian.ath.cx
13:56.45George`Laptopmark: tell me what you think
13:58.20marktime monitor?
13:58.27George`Laptop?
13:58.43markroom4 picutre
13:58.59marka megadrove!
13:59.27George`Laptopyes
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14:00.32markGeorge`Laptop: they're so cool.  got strets of rage?
14:01.58George`Laptopmark: no
14:02.04George`Laptopmark: I have all the Sonic games though :)
14:02.33markGeorge`Laptop: heh
14:02.37markdownload streets of rage
14:03.13George`Laptopand that isn't a megadrive btw :)
14:03.17George`Laptopit's a Genesis
14:03.58markGeorge`Laptop: same thing, different name
14:04.50George`Laptopmark: not quite the same :)
14:05.04George`Laptopmark: the Genesis has NTSC output and different formfactor cartridges
14:05.14markyeh yeh
14:05.18George`Laptopmark: the Megadrive has PAL output :)
14:05.41marku played on a saturn?
14:06.24George`Laptopno
14:06.28George`LaptopI only had a Genesis
14:06.30George`Laptopand a Nomad
14:06.33mark4/X integrates to 4lnX right?
14:06.42George`Laptophttp://zorian.ath.cx/images/dud-tibook
14:06.43George`Laptop:)
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14:07.38George`Laptopyeh, I have a time monitor
14:07.51George`Laptopripped it off my time computer downstairs which now has a 19" flat CRT
14:07.55marktime = evli
14:07.57George`Laptopthis is a 19" curved CRT
14:08.21George`Laptopmark: my time has had the motherboard, cpu, ram, hdd, monitor, modem etc changed :)
14:08.26George`Laptopmark: thru endless upgrades, heh
14:08.55George`LaptopI haven't had any trouble with their stuff though
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14:20.39George`Laptopfinished populating my webserver
14:23.00mark:-)
14:23.12George`Laptopsod off
14:23.12George`Laptop:)
14:23.15markheh
14:23.24George`Laptop./etc/init.d/apache stop :)
14:23.34George`Laptop./ifconfig eth0 down
14:23.38George`Laptophehehehehe
14:23.57markheh
14:24.29markmeh, this P2 paper is piss
14:24.46chouimatmorning
14:25.05markguten tag chouimat
14:25.39George`LaptopBLEH
14:26.16chouimatGeorge`Laptop: did you took your ritalin this morning?
14:26.29George`Laptopno
14:26.40chouimatGeorge`Laptop: go take it now
14:26.58George`Laptopsod off
14:29.40markheh, x compiled quickly
14:37.25ljpas long as goerge drinks his vodka in his mornign orange juice, we'll be ok
14:37.52George`Laptophrmmph
14:38.01ljp:)
14:39.50chouimatljp: haha
14:42.03chouimatljp: nothing like a caf cognac in the morning
14:43.28chouimatok I need to do some cleaning my mother is coming here today ....
14:44.50ljpahhh, time to take out the stack of empty beer cans, eh?
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14:51.52chouimatljp: hehe and but the cds in the right box
15:02.32ljphttp://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=323
15:09.57chouimatljp: that explain why he's away for so long
15:11.10ljpperhaps
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15:43.42markGeorge-: what nvidea graphics cards are good and cheap?
15:43.51zap-zeronone
15:44.26markdamn :)
15:44.44markok fairly good and not ridiculously expensive :)
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16:12.51Zxcvbhow does the simputer compare to the zaurus?
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17:15.30frogmananyone have mysql running on openzaurus
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18:02.22George-cya all
18:02.25George-back to school I go.......
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18:32.34zar_-anyone live?
18:33.29yeiazelno
18:37.58absentiaSis that a matrix question ?
18:37.59zar_-lol
18:38.01zar_-no
18:38.19zar_-I was wondering y on openzaurus the network device keeps going down.
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18:40.27George-mwahahah
18:40.28George-I'm back
18:40.29George-:)
18:41.56zar_-anyone here use openzaurus?
18:42.35absentiaSI flashed back to sharp
18:44.25yeiazelyes
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18:51.29George-OZ rocks
18:51.30George-:)
19:01.16zar_-yeiazel does you usbd0 on the zaurus just go down for no reason
19:02.14yeiazelno
19:02.25yeiazelI don't use USB with the Z
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19:38.44untornhow can I modify the environment variables openzaurus boots with
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19:54.55mspencerWell, this should be fun...I asked the Dynamism C700 guy about a replacement stylus.  Considering what everyone else is going through, I imagine I should share my answer if he can come up with a Japanese source of stylii.
19:55.35gaurdianuh...isnt there 3rd paty stylus avaliable..I am SURE I have seen them for the 5500
19:56.21gaurdiannew rom on tues :) for the 5566 :)
19:57.12mspencerhow about a new OZ rom for the c700?  I'd love to give that another try :)
19:57.20gaurdianheh
19:57.25gaurdianno idea about that
19:57.52mspencerand hopefully not tank my system because I'm ignorant to the system's limitations and just tell the GUI installer to install about 80 packages at once.  ^__^
19:57.59mspencer(erm, ignorant of)
19:58.16gaurdianlike I said, no idea..I use sharp rom
19:58.21gaurdian2.38 right now
19:58.41mspencerThere's a newer Sharp ROM?  :)
19:59.01gaurdianon tuesday, a new one is being released for the 5500, yes
19:59.08mspenceroh.  :)
20:01.33mewyn`i need a wax stamp
20:13.31mspencerthe c700 uses the same stylus as the 5500, right?
20:14.04absentiaSI heard it was the same as the tungstun
20:14.12absentiaSI broke mine.
20:14.34absentiaSI use a papermate pencil with the lead pulled back... I like the thicker feel and the longer pointing ability
20:15.29mspencerPalm Tungsten T?
20:17.06absentiaSyes, from my freebsd logged in now.
20:17.22absentiaSyes, tungsten
20:17.40absentiaSI want to get a replacement to keep wit the c700 for times when I don't have the papermate, etc.
20:17.42mspencerHmm...the stylus shown on Best Buy's web page doesn't seem to look the same...
20:18.26mspencerIf it's the same as the 5500, then I heard on a faq page that Sharp still sells the stylus, if you order a specific part number.
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20:25.57mewyn`i shoulda gone geocachingf
20:32.35fliplapwow, that new zfceu is damn near full speed
20:32.40fliplapif not completely full speed
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20:48.31ZarchonDoes anyoneuse qwikscript here?
20:48.46fliplapsays it supports sound but i don't get any
20:50.21ZarchonIt takes  a little while to get used to.
20:50.58ZarchonBut I seem to be getting faster with it. :)
20:53.30untornI need to edit my PATH environment variable, what file can I edit in openzaurus to modify my PATH variable?
20:53.59fliplap<PROTECTED>
20:54.07fliplapso that it sets on each boot
20:54.25ZarchonScratches the hell outof the screen though.
20:54.28untornfliplap: thanks.
20:54.58untorndoes openzaurus come with an alternate 'export' command?
20:55.00fliplapyou'll need to reboot your Z after you change it
20:55.31fliplapshrug, i don't think its part of busybox, but it might be
20:57.29untornhm...I see that profile uses the export command however when I type find / -name export nothing comes up...
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22:57.55zar_-hy all
22:57.59zar_-anyone use openzaurus
22:58.49fishy#openzaurus
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23:44.34nichoshas anyone had any luck install nmap?
23:44.47nichosi see they took it out of the repository
23:44.59nichosi get a bunch of .dillo errors, whatever they are

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