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| 00:09.01 | hExml | hello. |
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| 00:12.31 | TCMAN | hi |
| 00:12.34 | bzdoug | hi |
| 00:12.43 | bzdoug | <--doughecka |
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| 00:13.23 | TCMAN | why bz ? :))) |
| 00:13.32 | bzdoug | bzflag |
| 00:13.33 | bzdoug | :) |
| 00:13.55 | TCMAN | ahh |
| 00:14.12 | bzdoug | anyone run VNC server on the zaurus? |
| 00:14.22 | TCMAN | i am looking for nice alumin(i)um case for Z |
| 00:14.28 | bzdoug | hewh |
| 00:14.37 | TCMAN | i saw some reviews of extreme limit cases on the gadgeteer |
| 00:14.46 | TCMAN | but thats not exactly it |
| 00:15.12 | TCMAN | bzdoug: yeah, i ran it, there is some bug in OZ 3.2 so keyboard doesnt work |
| 00:15.26 | bzdoug | my keyboard nor mouse clicks dont work |
| 00:15.28 | TCMAN | bzdoug: the fix was updated version of busybox i think |
| 00:15.41 | bzdoug | hm |
| 00:15.41 | bzdoug | k |
| 00:16.02 | TCMAN | bzdoug: it means some even server is not started, i guess its not getting started in init scripts |
| 00:16.16 | TCMAN | bzdoug: do you have sharp rom or oz ? |
| 00:16.21 | bzdoug | oz |
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| 00:17.25 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 00:17.27 | TCMAN | bzdoug: it may be in faq |
| 00:17.35 | bzdoug | k |
| 00:17.59 | TCMAN | bzdoug: i know that i needed busybox upgrade after oz 3.2 but busybox upgrade can be dangerous |
| 00:18.24 | bzdoug | heh |
| 00:18.38 | bzdoug | brb |
| 00:22.08 | subdue | out of curiousity, how much functionality is lost by using OZ? |
| 00:22.24 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 00:22.27 | bzdoug | like how? |
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| 00:22.42 | bzdoug | you loose the hancom apps unless you rip them first |
| 00:22.44 | subdue | well, I have to admit, the sharp rom is pretty well put together |
| 00:22.50 | TCMAN | subdue: its probably negative number |
| 00:23.21 | bzdoug | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=279 |
| 00:23.24 | TCMAN | subdue: you can still run hancom apps and jeode on oz if you want |
| 00:23.28 | subdue | bzdoug: as time goes by, I should try to do that, but dont know enough yet |
| 00:23.30 | bzdoug | run that to rip the apps off |
| 00:23.34 | bzdoug | :) |
| 00:23.38 | subdue | ah |
| 00:24.19 | subdue | bzdoug: but the rom is avail for download, right? |
| 00:24.27 | bzdoug | yea.. |
| 00:24.34 | bzdoug | but I dont have linux |
| 00:24.56 | TCMAN | subdue: you can rip stuff from rom, or you can download it from hancom when you register your z serial number i think |
| 00:25.16 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 00:25.22 | subdue | that's interesting |
| 00:26.04 | TCMAN | hey, how do i download sh^Htuff in konq to disk? |
| 00:26.22 | bzdoug | dunno |
| 00:26.56 | subdue | I like the gameboy emulator, but alas, no sound |
| 00:27.45 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 00:27.49 | bzdoug | I never got it working |
| 00:27.53 | bzdoug | maybe its my rom |
| 00:28.05 | tech2k | try this sometimes ;) http://www.w-m-p.com/pocketworkstation/ |
| 00:28.24 | bzdoug | heh |
| 00:29.06 | subdue | I used this emulator: http://www.mysisterkate.com/hezdev/gnuboyz.html |
| 00:29.13 | subdue | works great for all gbc roms |
| 00:29.19 | subdue | or gb roms |
| 00:29.20 | TCMAN | evolution on Z |
| 00:29.25 | TCMAN | the world is going to end |
| 00:29.28 | subdue | I can't wait for gba |
| 00:31.37 | TCMAN | zroadmap is pretty cool, now i need gps card |
| 00:31.40 | subdue | anything else that we might lose that you can think of? (thank you btw) |
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| 00:32.36 | TCMAN | subdue: well, i dont know, i flashed OZ the first day i got my Z, right after it froze when i changed WEP key :) |
| 00:32.43 | subdue | heh |
| 00:35.14 | tech2k | i flashed mine the second day and installed full debian to a 256meg sd card the third day (dual booting between that and qtopia in flash rom) |
| 00:35.35 | subdue | nice |
| 00:35.57 | tech2k | it really is...i am so glad i got the zaurus and not the dell or the treo |
| 00:36.19 | TCMAN | i didnt buy zaurus to use it as pda :))) |
| 00:36.50 | subdue | tech2k: you should make a page on that. on your experiences, etc |
| 00:37.24 | TCMAN | i saw gba sp couple days ago, its really sweet |
| 00:37.51 | tech2k | http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-tech2k is my homepage and i started a zaurus section and plan to build on it this weekend |
| 00:37.56 | subdue | TCMAN: I'm waiting for someone to put it in ipk format |
| 00:38.09 | subdue | tech2k: cool. I look forward to it |
| 00:38.09 | tech2k | not a lot there on zaurus...i just got mine about 2 weeks ago |
| 00:38.44 | tech2k | if you have sd and cf cards and a usb card reader...knoppix live rules to work with them |
| 00:39.41 | subdue | tech2k: dont have my sd card yet, but I hope to in the near future |
| 00:39.47 | subdue | cf, yes |
| 00:40.26 | tech2k | it will auto configure the cards on boot and there ready to cfdisk,mke2fs mount or whatever...like plug and play |
| 00:40.53 | subdue | wow |
| 00:41.10 | tech2k | i got a 256meg sd card at compusa for 76 bucks tax included and it also has a 10 dollar mail in rebate |
| 00:41.22 | tech2k | pricewatch may have a better deal? |
| 00:41.35 | subdue | tech2k: saw a deal on amazon that looked good |
| 00:41.49 | subdue | tech2k: the sd cards have been coming down in price |
| 00:42.09 | tech2k | for sure |
| 00:42.14 | TCMAN | i saw 256mb sandisk sd for like $65 at costco |
| 00:42.26 | tech2k | thats good deal |
| 00:42.33 | TCMAN | couple days before that i bought one for 75 on ebay :( |
| 00:42.36 | subdue | this one? http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html |
| 00:42.46 | tech2k | yes... |
| 00:42.51 | subdue | dont like sandisk though. I keep hearing bad things |
| 00:43.16 | TCMAN | so far it works, but in the beginning i got corruption couple times after reboot |
| 00:43.37 | tech2k | mine is a lexar and so far so good |
| 00:44.16 | tech2k | subdue: have you ever tried knoppix? |
| 00:44.20 | subdue | viking 256M 56.99 |
| 00:44.24 | subdue | tech2k: not yet |
| 00:44.25 | tech2k | wow |
| 00:44.27 | subdue | lexar is good |
| 00:44.34 | TCMAN | subdue: wow, good price, where ? |
| 00:45.03 | subdue | darn. misread it. it's cf |
| 00:45.10 | subdue | hang on |
| 00:45.57 | subdue | Lexar Media 256 MB Secure Digital Card |
| 00:46.09 | subdue | Price: |
| 00:46.09 | subdue | |
| 00:46.09 | subdue | $74.99 |
| 00:46.09 | subdue | Mail-In Rebates: |
| 00:46.09 | subdue | |
| 00:46.09 | subdue | $20.00 |
| 00:46.11 | subdue | Price After Rebates: |
| 00:46.13 | subdue | |
| 00:46.15 | subdue | $54.99 |
| 00:46.17 | TCMAN | damn, they dont have SD-MMC section on pricewatch |
| 00:46.23 | TCMAN | rebates suck |
| 00:46.31 | Neo|Work | if it's not instant |
| 00:46.31 | subdue | free shipping |
| 00:46.39 | subdue | yeah, I always forget to mail them in |
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| 00:46.59 | tech2k | knoppix is about the best live cd you can get...mounts all drives read only by default so you cant mess anything up and it runs from the cdrom (no hd needed) and has about 1.8gig of apps...the best hardware detection |
| 00:47.31 | subdue | tech2k: I'll try it later, once I a comfortable taking off the sharp rom |
| 00:47.37 | tech2k | great for demo to win users and for recovery work or just general computing |
| 00:47.39 | subdue | or once I see your page on how to do it :) |
| 00:47.44 | tech2k | :) |
| 00:48.24 | tech2k | i got the sl-5500 from tigerdirect for 200 bucks |
| 00:48.57 | subdue | yeah, the 5500 prices have been dropping too |
| 00:49.04 | subdue | on ebay they're going for about 150 |
| 00:49.32 | tech2k | these are factory refurbs but i couldnt tell it was not mint |
| 00:49.51 | hobbs | yeah tigerdirect has good deals. |
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| 00:50.11 | tech2k | i have built a few desktops from tiger |
| 00:50.29 | tech2k | subdue: did you just get your zaurus?? |
| 00:50.42 | subdue | tech2k: yeah, about 5 days ago |
| 00:50.53 | tech2k | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ have you been there...lots of goodies |
| 00:50.58 | subdue | been there, yes |
| 00:51.01 | tech2k | :) |
| 00:51.07 | subdue | have been searching all over looking for goodies |
| 00:51.20 | hobbs | subdue: running OZ yet? ;) |
| 00:51.27 | subdue | most of the issues have been taken care of, just a few things missing |
| 00:51.35 | subdue | not yet, but soon. |
| 00:51.48 | subdue | that handcom creator worked like a charm |
| 00:51.57 | hobbs | cool. really, it is a lot more flexible. And it's starting to get some nifty features too. |
| 00:52.13 | subdue | hobbs: just want to make sure I dont lose too much by going OZ |
| 00:52.39 | subdue | hobbs: the media player on the rom plays nicely - once I went to 48000 for my mp3's |
| 00:52.51 | subdue | 44000 it seems to have issues |
| 00:52.57 | hobbs | I just use xmms-e on OZ. |
| 00:53.02 | subdue | mooview was nice |
| 00:53.29 | subdue | hobbs: dont miss the gui? |
| 00:53.40 | hobbs | huh? |
| 00:53.47 | subdue | or is xmms gui too? |
| 00:53.48 | tech2k | i have regular xmms,qcad,xcircuit and stuff on pocket workstation running in icewm |
| 00:53.56 | hobbs | subdue: yeah. you really don't know xmms? :) |
| 00:54.02 | subdue | no, sorry :) |
| 00:54.11 | tech2k | xmms = gui mp3 player |
| 00:54.11 | subdue | I know of it, but never used it |
| 00:54.15 | subdue | ah |
| 00:54.20 | hobbs | subdue: it started as x11amp, a winamp clone for X on *nix |
| 00:54.23 | TCMAN | subdue: xmms is like winamp but better |
| 00:54.25 | tech2k | yep |
| 00:54.27 | subdue | cool |
| 00:54.34 | hobbs | subdue: but then it grew into its own thing, and it's better in some ways. |
| 00:54.34 | subdue | I know winamp of course |
| 00:54.48 | subdue | is it smaller, faster, etc than media player? |
| 00:54.48 | hobbs | subdue: main thing it lacks is the huge plugin coderbase. :) |
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| 00:54.58 | subdue | ah |
| 00:54.59 | subdue | but supports ogg? |
| 00:55.04 | subdue | and mp3 of course |
| 00:55.13 | TCMAN | but opie-mediaplayer2 is cool too |
| 00:55.27 | tech2k | yes...i enjoied OZ too |
| 00:55.29 | hobbs | subdue: yeah, does ogg, mp3, wav, flac (with plugin), mod (with plugin) |
| 00:55.38 | subdue | hmm..xmms not in ipk? |
| 00:55.45 | hobbs | subdue: yeah it is. |
| 00:55.50 | subdue | oh, there it is |
| 00:55.57 | tech2k | mplayer is in ipk |
| 00:56.02 | subdue | lol. 0.00006 |
| 00:56.11 | subdue | cute version number |
| 00:56.12 | hobbs | subdue: its home is in OZ. No guarantees on it working quite right on sharp. The new code might get confused. :) |
| 00:56.22 | subdue | ah, ok, thanks |
| 00:56.28 | subdue | I'll wait till I try OZ |
| 00:56.49 | subdue | actually, I have some probably dumb basic questions |
| 00:57.00 | subdue | is OZ smaller than the rom? |
| 00:57.02 | hobbs | shoot. They're probably not dumb, the Z is just weird sometimes. :) |
| 00:57.08 | tech2k | cool...lets learn something |
| 00:57.15 | hobbs | subdue: depends. "base" is smaller I think yeah. :) |
| 00:57.17 | TCMAN | subdue: base install is smaller but it has many packages |
| 00:57.35 | subdue | hmm... |
| 00:57.45 | TCMAN | subdue: i have 256mb sd and moved /root /opt and /home to sd |
| 00:58.01 | TCMAN | subdue: btw OZ has writable rom filesystem |
| 00:58.03 | subdue | TCMAN: actually, what I did was to soft link them |
| 00:58.11 | subdue | TCMAN: that way I didnt have to move anything |
| 00:58.23 | TCMAN | subdue: so you can remove stuff you dont like |
| 00:58.26 | subdue | ah, that's nice |
| 00:58.45 | ljp | and opie is developed by superior developers |
| 00:58.55 | hobbs | yeah, and I did yoink a few things, so that I could add some favorites. |
| 00:59.13 | subdue | is the ipk system just as good (if not better?) |
| 00:59.23 | ljp | better, of course |
| 00:59.23 | hobbs | better. :) |
| 00:59.35 | hobbs | much. ipk has improved a lot since sharp wrote their roms. |
| 00:59.45 | tech2k | the OZ pkg manager is very cool |
| 00:59.52 | subdue | there are some things I'd love to have on it, like gba, but no ipk for it yet |
| 01:00.02 | djr|w | TCMAN: i boot from the SD card |
| 01:00.08 | hobbs | generating ipks is dead simple too. |
| 01:00.13 | subdue | http://vboy.emuhq.com/downloads.shtml |
| 01:00.17 | djr|w | that way when i screw oz up, i take the SD card out... boot up the normal OZ... then mount the SD card... and fix it |
| 01:00.19 | subdue | advanced game boy emulator |
| 01:00.29 | djr|w | then i can boot oz from the sd again |
| 01:00.31 | djr|w | it works great |
| 01:00.34 | hobbs | well -- it's dead simple if you run *nix (preferably linux :) |
| 01:00.35 | TCMAN | djr|w: how do you do that ? any howto ? |
| 01:00.41 | djr|w | its in the faq |
| 01:00.42 | djr|w | on the website |
| 01:01.03 | subdue | yes, I like the idea of doing that with my sd cards |
| 01:01.04 | TCMAN | djr: ok |
| 01:01.30 | subdue | djr: which website? |
| 01:01.51 | TCMAN | there is only one :) www.openzaurus.org |
| 01:01.52 | subdue | hobbs: I definitely will try that later, once I figure out more |
| 01:01.56 | subdue | TCMAN: ah |
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| 01:02.47 | hobbs | subdue: on the other hand, crosscompiling is a bit of an ordeal. Especially if you use a modem. |
| 01:03.04 | subdue | hmm |
| 01:03.17 | subdue | is it possible to do that on a windoze machine and move stuff to the Z? |
| 01:03.22 | subdue | or do I need to use linux? |
| 01:03.41 | subdue | and if so, which linux distro to do it in? (I told you it was dumb questions) |
| 01:03.46 | hobbs | really really REALLY tricky on windows. possible in theory, but hairier than you ever want to think about. |
| 01:03.55 | subdue | ok, so it's linux then |
| 01:04.05 | subdue | (would love it if it was freebsd, but I can dig it) |
| 01:04.22 | hobbs | most of the development stuff for the Z is keyed to RPM-based distros, as much as I hate it. :) |
| 01:04.44 | subdue | gah. redmat |
| 01:05.04 | subdue | of all the distros... it had to be that one |
| 01:05.11 | tech2k | hobbs: you can have synaptic for apt-get on debian-arm ;) |
| 01:05.32 | subdue | ok, where should I read on making ipks? |
| 01:05.32 | hobbs | but you can do it on debian or slack if you show a little initiative. |
| 01:05.45 | hobbs | haha... debian/binary-arm/ is definitely a useful resource. |
| 01:06.12 | tech2k | hobbs: have you tried pocket workstation before? |
| 01:06.19 | subdue | oh, and is there stuff that wont run on oz that runs on the rom? |
| 01:06.27 | bzdoug | some |
| 01:06.29 | bzdoug | dunno |
| 01:06.33 | subdue | ok |
| 01:06.35 | hobbs | tech2k: no, I don't think I know what it is. |
| 01:06.41 | tech2k | the whole (almost) tree is ported to the arm |
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| 01:07.18 | hobbs | subdue: when I tried it, all of hancom, but I think they fixed that. Maybe? :) |
| 01:07.18 | subdue | ok |
| 01:07.19 | tech2k | hobbs: http://www.w-m-p.com/pocketworkstation/ |
| 01:08.09 | TCMAN | this pivot_root stuff is cool |
| 01:08.23 | subdue | no issues with synching on windoze? |
| 01:08.31 | subdue | I can still use the same sync software? |
| 01:08.46 | TCMAN | subdue: i havent managed to sync OZ with windoze |
| 01:08.51 | subdue | darn! |
| 01:08.56 | tech2k | not with pocket workstation... |
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| 01:09.13 | tech2k | 802.11 wap is the easy way |
| 01:09.13 | hobbs | tech2k: that's not bad. That's a lot like a project I saw before that had dead-ended. |
| 01:09.23 | TCMAN | subdue: it should be possible but maybe i didnt try hard enough |
| 01:09.25 | TCMAN | warmi |
| 01:09.26 | hobbs | Debian-Zaurus, I think. |
| 01:09.40 | subdue | ok |
| 01:09.59 | subdue | sounds like OZ is about 80% there then |
| 01:10.12 | tech2k | hobbs: i love it..and dual boot it on the sd card with crow for the flash rom |
| 01:10.14 | subdue | mostly good, but with a few issues here and there |
| 01:10.23 | subdue | how do you like crow, btw? |
| 01:10.56 | tech2k | i like the crow rom....its very much like factory but better app selection |
| 01:11.23 | hobbs | tech2k: looks pretty cool. Something I'd want a lot of free time and free space to try out tho. |
| 01:11.31 | tech2k | and home is on the sd card...so i have pleanty of space |
| 01:12.00 | subdue | I think I'm afraid of X. I keep thinking it's a monster in size |
| 01:12.02 | gaurdian | whats the benefit of the crow rom ? like what apps ? |
| 01:12.24 | hobbs | subdue: don't confuse X with XFree. :) |
| 01:12.33 | subdue | ah, ok |
| 01:12.36 | tech2k | hobbs: i ran the big install on a 128meg sd card but was 98% full...now i run it on a 256meg and have 51%free and its pleanty fast |
| 01:12.50 | hobbs | oh wait. from the packages list this is XFree? |
| 01:13.14 | subdue | well, some apps keep saying it needs X |
| 01:13.41 | subdue | so I'm not sure which it needs, didnt read that deeply |
| 01:14.21 | hobbs | I was asking tech2k on that one. :) |
| 01:14.25 | tech2k | gaurdian: it will be easier to just see the list...i like it better than stock anyway (crow) but i also like OZ http://www.schwag.org/~crow/ |
| 01:14.29 | subdue | hmm.advanced fm looks very much like xmms |
| 01:14.57 | subdue | heh ... yet another "we dont like sandisk" page |
| 01:15.02 | gaurdian | I donno, I dont have any issues with the stock |
| 01:15.14 | ljp | advancedfm is a file manager |
| 01:15.30 | subdue | ljp: yes, but the interface looks similar |
| 01:15.34 | hobbs | crow looks interesting. But it's very different from what I'm used to. :) |
| 01:15.39 | ljp | like xmms?! |
| 01:15.42 | hobbs | subdue: xmms with the gray theme or the macos one? |
| 01:16.07 | absentiaW | anything new/exciting for the c700 out there? |
| 01:16.09 | subdue | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=423 |
| 01:16.16 | tech2k | i run xmms under debian-arm not crow (qtopia) in rom |
| 01:16.29 | subdue | ah. heck. ignore me |
| 01:16.37 | subdue | on second glance, they dont look that similar |
| 01:16.38 | tech2k | but you can run xmms and icewm and stuff on OZ i think |
| 01:17.18 | subdue | just a little similar |
| 01:17.51 | tech2k | thank god its friday...(and im not on call) |
| 01:18.38 | gaurdian | looks nice but missing a bunch stuff I use included with sharp rom :) |
| 01:19.36 | tech2k | gaurdian: its just to cool that we have so many choices....poor m$ users |
| 01:20.39 | gaurdian | ? |
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| 01:20.59 | gaurdian | tech2k huh ? |
| 01:22.41 | subdue | m$=microsoft |
| 01:22.47 | gaurdian | whats the url for the ZSI feed ? |
| 01:23.06 | gaurdian | subdue , I know what he said, I just dont understand why he said it |
| 01:23.20 | gaurdian | and I disagree with him also |
| 01:23.59 | gaurdian | not the website, the feed |
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| 01:31.15 | TCMAN | i dont think there is zsi feed |
| 01:31.33 | hobbs | there is. or was. |
| 01:32.53 | TCMAN | tech2k: choices are bad for stupid people :) |
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| 01:43.29 | TCMAN | bye guys |
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| 02:12.37 | subdue | I think he was referring to m$ in ce devices |
| 02:13.58 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
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| 02:24.04 | warmi | m$ doesn't exist |
| 02:24.26 | warmi | u guys been watching tv too much |
| 02:24.57 | hobbs | like maybe MSNBC? |
| 02:25.05 | tech2k | and fox |
| 02:27.29 | oGMo | i can verify thye do, having seen actual buildings |
| 02:29.10 | warmi | fox rules |
| 02:29.13 | warmi | fox news that is |
| 02:29.34 | ljp | bah |
| 02:29.47 | warmi | oGMo: well, you think you saw their buildings |
| 02:30.16 | oGMo | actually i infiltrated their HQ during a black op... er... never mind |
| 02:30.20 | oGMo | ;) |
| 02:30.27 | tech2k | now the need to develop a micro multimedia projector so you could display your pda screen on the wall |
| 02:30.29 | warmi | well, ljp .. go ahead ... say "cnn || bbc || indinews rules" so I can say "bah" as well |
| 02:30.54 | ljp | the news from my guru rulez |
| 02:31.03 | warmi | why not use your PC tech ? |
| 02:31.44 | warmi | if you want big ass screen .. use PC heh |
| 02:32.16 | tech2k | warmi: i am on my pc now but running debian-arm on my zaurus i think i could replace my pc if i had a projector and keyboard |
| 02:32.43 | treke|laptop | next thing you know I've screwed up and everyone knows I'm going the proctologist to have a lump on my ass looked at |
| 02:33.21 | tech2k | when i get home wap i will make this desktop a server anyway...and replace it with the zaurus for awhile |
| 02:33.55 | warmi | ljp: hehehe |
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| 03:08.21 | CarlosOliva | hey there |
| 03:10.29 | tech2k | whatsup CarlosOliva |
| 03:12.19 | CarlosOliva | know... i've got a problem, i can't get hotplug to work with my zaurus on my linux desktop |
| 03:13.13 | tech2k | what linux distro are you running? |
| 03:13.29 | CarlosOliva | debian unstable |
| 03:13.36 | CarlosOliva | w/ linux 2.4.20 |
| 03:14.50 | tech2k | i will have a wireless setup at home soon...thats the easy way...right now i also run debian/unstable/testing on my PC but i have a usb card reader and use knoppix live to move files to the zaurus |
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| 03:15.54 | tech2k | what os do you run on the handheld...factory,OZ,?? i run full debian-arm on an sd card here |
| 03:16.37 | CarlosOliva | factory |
| 03:16.49 | CarlosOliva | i've only got it yesterday |
| 03:16.54 | tech2k | cool |
| 03:17.01 | tech2k | i have had mine about 2 weeks now |
| 03:17.08 | CarlosOliva | and i haven't had time to hack around it yet |
| 03:17.36 | CarlosOliva | thing is, i have already set up everything working, qtopia desktop et al |
| 03:17.43 | CarlosOliva | but hotpluggin is not working |
| 03:18.00 | tech2k | it wont wiithout a patch or something |
| 03:18.09 | CarlosOliva | it's not something that's killing me but you know it's kinda boring to turn the network interface up all the time |
| 03:18.34 | tech2k | its strange that a linux pda needs a win box |
| 03:18.44 | CarlosOliva | yeah |
| 03:19.22 | tech2k | so you want to just move files to it in the usb cradle connected to a linux pc |
| 03:22.18 | CarlosOliva | yeah, kinda |
| 03:22.22 | CarlosOliva | the typical sync stuff |
| 03:22.27 | tech2k | this may help? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=usb+sync+zaurus+debian |
| 03:22.36 | tech2k | opps |
| 03:22.40 | tech2k | wrong link |
| 03:22.53 | tech2k | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 03:23.16 | CarlosOliva | i've checked that out already |
| 03:23.20 | tech2k | k |
| 03:23.26 | CarlosOliva | the only thing i didn't get working was hotplugging |
| 03:23.38 | CarlosOliva | even tho i have hotplug support in my kernel, and the usual usb stuff |
| 03:23.45 | CarlosOliva | and have installed the hotplug package |
| 03:24.37 | tech2k | this may instrest you in the future...i love it http://www.w-m-p.com/pocketworkstation/ |
| 03:24.58 | tech2k | i have just had mine 2 weeks and no luck with linux sync |
| 03:25.32 | tech2k | so i am moving the debs with a cf card abd a usb reader |
| 03:25.38 | tech2k | till i get wireless |
| 03:26.15 | tech2k | then its "apt-get install synaptic" |
| 03:36.56 | tech2k | http://www.belcarra.com/usb_device_article.htm |
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| 03:41.25 | tech2k | hey CarlosOliva..have you seen this project? http://sourceforge.net/projects/zesync/ |
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| 04:01.51 | CarlosOliva | let me see |
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| 04:03.15 | CarlosOliva | cool dude! |
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| 05:34.59 | bur[n]er | does anyone have the zaurus working with windows xp? |
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| 05:41.51 | tech2k | woot..i just got synaptic (gui for apt-get) installed and working on my sl-5500...221 debian packages installed and 9935 packages in the default sources.list to choose from |
| 05:44.22 | bur[n]er | 15:|10tech2k15|: u haven't ever gotten the zaurus to work with xp have you? |
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| 05:47.04 | tech2k | bur[n]er: sorry...i am moving files with a usb cf/sd card reader from a boot to a live knoppix cd till i get my wireless and havent tried usb sync to the debian box yet |
| 05:47.17 | tech2k | i just got my zaurus about 2 weeks ago |
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| 05:48.22 | bur[n]er | i just got mine tongiht ;) |
| 05:48.30 | tech2k | im having to get the debs from the pool and install from a cf card with dpkg -i till i get home wap |
| 05:48.38 | SuKoShi | hi |
| 05:48.45 | bur[n]er | i am trying to use usb synching |
| 05:49.14 | tech2k | you wont want to do this right away but it may instrest you later... http://www.w-m-p.com/pocketworkstation/ |
| 05:49.47 | tech2k | did the cd come with xp version of active sync? |
| 05:49.52 | tech2k | i havent looked |
| 05:50.28 | bur[n]er | it came with intellisync |
| 05:50.36 | tech2k | k |
| 05:50.36 | bur[n]er | but i am finding this software blows arse |
| 05:50.39 | bur[n]er | it doesn't load in xp |
| 05:51.37 | tech2k | humm...can you right click the install for intellisync and run in compatability mode mabey? |
| 05:52.02 | tech2k | i think xp can run it like its win 9x 2k |
| 05:53.06 | bur[n]er | eh |
| 05:53.13 | bur[n]er | i dunno, i just got it, i'll figure something out |
| 05:53.32 | tech2k | without the software on the cd will xp pick it up on usb and let you explore/copy files/ |
| 05:54.15 | bur[n]er | 15?10¿ |
| 05:54.19 | bur[n]er | how? |
| 05:54.26 | bur[n]er | through file manager? |
| 05:55.38 | tech2k | yea |
| 05:55.42 | tech2k | just a guess |
| 05:55.52 | bur[n]er | maybe i'm having connection issues |
| 05:55.54 | bur[n]er | i dunno |
| 05:55.55 | tech2k | does it show up in "my computer" |
| 05:56.31 | bur[n]er | negative |
| 05:56.36 | tech2k | :( |
| 05:57.36 | tech2k | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/syncing_and_sharp_io_port.php3 |
| 05:57.46 | tech2k | check out question #6 |
| 05:57.54 | tech2k | it may be the xp firewall |
| 05:58.00 | tech2k | im still googling |
| 05:58.57 | tech2k | http://www.myzaurus.com/faq.asp |
| 05:59.42 | bur[n]er | the biggest problem is the intellisync software |
| 05:59.46 | bur[n]er | i can't get to the configuration |
| 05:59.49 | bur[n]er | i get launch error |
| 06:01.16 | bur[n]er | i appreciate the googling though :) |
| 06:05.49 | tech2k | what about the "qtopiadesktop" (i am looking on my cd now) will that install? |
| 06:06.24 | bur[n]er | yeah |
| 06:06.28 | bur[n]er | intellisync installs |
| 06:06.31 | bur[n]er | just won't work right |
| 06:06.39 | bur[n]er | i'm uninstalling intellisync and putting qtopia on |
| 06:06.55 | bur[n]er | hopefully it will work to just get some applications on my zaurus |
| 06:07.03 | tech2k | exactly |
| 06:07.07 | bur[n]er | i can work on outlook synching later |
| 06:08.09 | tech2k | your wanting to get into these http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ :) |
| 06:08.34 | tech2k | ill bet qtopiadesktop will work |
| 06:09.43 | bur[n]er | but it won't do outlook |
| 06:10.06 | bur[n]er | whoa!! missle command :) |
| 06:10.15 | bur[n]er | the real reason to buy a zaurus |
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| 06:12.34 | kend-sneeze | with wireless, you can control REAL MISSILES, too! |
| 06:12.44 | tech2k | :) |
| 06:13.36 | tech2k | and your vcr |
| 06:13.53 | bur[n]er | the ir is too weenie i heard |
| 06:14.19 | tech2k | i read it was a short range...like 5 feet but i dont know |
| 06:15.00 | ljp | try 2 feet |
| 06:15.13 | tech2k | k |
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| 06:19.43 | bur[n]er | qtopia desktop works :) |
| 06:19.57 | tech2k | :) |
| 06:20.26 | bur[n]er | doesn't help much for contacts and email though :\ |
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| 06:51.14 | fliplap | nice, ipkg has decided tinyscheme isnt installed, so it won't remove it |
| 06:51.40 | fliplap | tho it is, i installed it, its all there, ipkg just somehow forgot about it |
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| 08:21.41 | bur[n]er | for all windows users! ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/qtopiadesktop-1.6.1.exe |
| 08:22.06 | bur[n]er | that does outlook syncing too... no need for intellisync |
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| 14:23.54 | mark | anyone got any experience of setting up a mp3 streaming server? |
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| 14:36.00 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:45.00 | mr_science | morning chouimat |
| 14:45.29 | mr_science | local mp3 streaming is fun with edna |
| 14:45.39 | mr_science | if mark ever comes back... |
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| 15:33.38 | mewyn` | hey warmi |
| 15:37.52 | George`Laptop | bleh |
| 15:38.08 | chouimat | hey George- |
| 15:38.24 | George`Laptop | hi |
| 15:38.49 | mewyn` | ~lart George`Laptop |
| 15:39.15 | George`Laptop | bleh |
| 15:40.17 | mewyn` | eat VAX buddy! |
| 15:41.36 | George`Laptop | bleh |
| 15:41.47 | George`Laptop | chouimat: sod off |
| 15:42.05 | chouimat | George`Laptop: ok a male stripper club for you :) |
| 15:42.13 | George`Laptop | chouimat: you sick bastard |
| 15:42.20 | mewyn` | sounds like george don't like titty bars |
| 15:42.25 | chouimat | George`Laptop: hehe .... |
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| 15:46.44 | omoore | anyone know of a command line wav recorder app for the zaurus? or know the website for the command line 'record' command fo rlinux? |
| 15:50.33 | zap-zero | omoore: openzaurus has some vmemo applet |
| 15:50.33 | zap-zero | and opie recorder or some shit |
| 15:54.03 | omoore | zap-zero: i look at vmemo.. hopefully the gui can be bypassed, that's what i'm looking for.. something ican control via background process w/no apparent gui |
| 15:58.02 | mewyn` | anyone know of any GPS interface software for linux? |
| 15:58.44 | Bovine | gpsdrive |
| 15:59.03 | Bovine | ibot gpsdrive |
| 15:59.08 | | gpsdrive is, like, at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GpsDrive and http://www.kraftvoll.at/software/ |
| 15:59.08 | mewyn` | just looking to dump waypoints to the GPS |
| 15:59.12 | mewyn` | i'm not looking for mapping |
| 15:59.25 | Bovine | ibot gps |
| 15:59.26 | | well, gps is http://russnelson.com/ipaq/gps/ or qpegps.sf.net or gpsqpe.sf.net |
| 16:00.23 | mewyn` | still a no. i'm looking to put info onto my gps. |
| 16:02.20 | zap-zero | omoore: hm... command line... tried sox? |
| 16:02.34 | zap-zero | omoore: or just: cat /dev/audio > file.au |
| 16:02.48 | zap-zero | sorry for misunderstanding... thought you wanted a gui app :) |
| 16:03.26 | zap-zero | mewyn`: zgps? |
| 16:03.49 | mewyn` | it doens't need to be on the z either. |
| 16:03.53 | mewyn` | i'd recompile it for my pc |
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| 16:35.38 | George`Laptop | why is this place so dead these days?!?!?! |
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| 16:36.08 | fliplap | i blame you |
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| 16:37.27 | George`Laptop | fliplap: bastard |
| 16:37.39 | fliplap | jerk |
| 16:37.51 | George`Laptop | asshole |
| 16:37.59 | fliplap | fuck stick |
| 16:38.01 | George`Laptop | fuckwit |
| 16:38.14 | fliplap | fat chick |
| 16:38.18 | fliplap | i win |
| 16:38.25 | George`Laptop | twat |
| 16:38.38 | fliplap | i'd rather be a twat than a fat chick |
| 16:39.05 | George`Laptop | bleh |
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| 16:39.37 | fliplap | maybe there just isn't anything exciting going on in the Z world |
| 16:40.17 | George`Laptop | bloody hell |
| 16:40.22 | George`Laptop | GBA emulator for the Z? |
| 16:40.24 | George`Laptop | woooot |
| 16:40.24 | fliplap | yeah |
| 16:40.27 | fliplap | i just saw that |
| 16:40.36 | fliplap | This needs LibSDL installed to work. It is very slow at the moment |
| 16:40.50 | fliplap | big suprise there |
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| 17:26.16 | George`Laptop | hi Tim |
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| 17:35.15 | yeiazel | nick yeiaway |
| 17:35.18 | yeiazel | oops |
| 17:35.18 | yeiazel | :) |
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| 19:51.47 | harold | When will OZ support the 5600? |
| 19:52.41 | ljp | soon |
| 19:54.32 | Twiun | harold: rest assured that when it does, openzaurus.org's news page will say |
| 19:55.22 | ljp | if someone send me a 5600, it would help speed it up a bit |
| 19:57.12 | harold | I'm looking at Amazon's rebate on the 5600... |
| 19:57.51 | harold | I'm just curious as to wether you mean "in the next couple weeks" "in the next couple months" "before the end of the year"? |
| 19:58.29 | George- | BLEH |
| 20:01.59 | harold | What about this I just found on Amazon: |
| 20:02.00 | harold | This PDA is very nice except for the PX-250 CPU it uses. The PX-250 proccessor unforuntely runs ARM4 code (programs compiled for the Zaurus SL-5500) at half speed (around 200mhz instead of expected 400mhz). The only software that will run full-speed on the PX-250 CPU are the default applications on the Sharp ROM, some software from Thekompany, and programs compiled exclusively for ARM5 (PX-250). Intel has made a PX-255 CPU which fixes the |
| 20:02.00 | harold | peed problem on older apps, but it is currently only used in new PDAs such as the Tungsten "C", the Toshiba e755 pocket PC, and the newer Dell Axim X5 Advanced. |
| 20:03.04 | zap-zero | uh |
| 20:03.16 | zap-zero | and how did sharp compile the default apps? |
| 20:03.19 | zap-zero | not with gcc? |
| 20:04.33 | harold | Would all apps need to be recompiled or does the 5600 have ARM emulation? |
| 20:05.11 | tigerpig | does that go for the c700 too? |
| 20:05.20 | zap-zero | you just said it |
| 20:05.26 | zap-zero | the ARM emulation is there, but at half speed |
| 20:06.17 | tigerpig | if I reflash my C700 with OZ is there any way of running the Hancom stuff under it? |
| 20:06.54 | ljp | that climber guy's going to need ARM emulation |
| 20:07.04 | harold | I found it on Amazon, that doesn't mean it's true |
| 20:07.33 | harold | will Sharp's software sync with a linux box? |
| 20:10.58 | treke|laptop | the sharp aps would have the same problems as any other apps |
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| 20:14.37 | nerdboy | treke|laptop: is that thing strapped to your handle-bars? |
| 20:14.53 | treke|laptop | ? |
| 20:15.14 | nerdboy | you don't ride a trek? |
| 20:15.31 | treke|laptop | ah. not atm. but good guess :) |
| 20:15.35 | nerdboy | hopefully not while operating a laptop... |
| 20:16.03 | treke|laptop | but that is where the nick came from |
| 20:16.26 | nerdboy | chrome (and all chrome-moly) |
| 20:16.43 | nerdboy | that's a good one |
| 20:17.04 | treke|laptop | and it's just stuck around sinc |
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| 20:18.22 | Twiun | mark: hey |
| 20:19.08 | mark | hi Twiun |
| 20:19.24 | harold | does sharp's stuff sync with anything but Windows? |
| 20:19.51 | killefiz | harold: you can use qtopiadesktop from tt on linux |
| 20:21.30 | harold | And I can install software and such w/qtopiadesktop? |
| 20:21.46 | harold | I'm just trying to make sure I can use the thing before OZ gets ported ;) |
| 20:22.17 | zap-zero | doesn't the sharp rom have ssh too? |
| 20:22.22 | zap-zero | or at least ftp on port 4242 |
| 20:22.31 | zap-zero | so that shouldn't be a problem |
| 20:22.35 | tigerpig | zap-zero: not on the c700 |
| 20:22.47 | tigerpig | dunno about any other model |
| 20:23.15 | tigerpig | what protocol does qt desktop use? smb? |
| 20:23.22 | treke|laptop | ~ftp |
| 20:23.23 | | well, ftp is ftpsrv.exe at http://www.oohito.com/data/wince/FTPS006AP.ZIP, sources at http://www.oohito.com/data/wince/FTPS006D.ZIP, homepage at http://www.oohito.com/ |
| 20:23.33 | treke|laptop | it uses ftp :) |
| 20:23.41 | tigerpig | ah |
| 20:23.53 | tigerpig | I can't get the ftpd working on my c700 |
| 20:24.05 | tigerpig | I've edited inetd.conf and HUPed inetd |
| 20:24.25 | treke|laptop | it doesnt use inetd |
| 20:24.31 | tigerpig | oh |
| 20:24.34 | treke|laptop | have you tried connecting to port 4242? |
| 20:24.38 | tigerpig | nope |
| 20:24.42 | treke|laptop | try it |
| 20:24.54 | tigerpig | as what user? |
| 20:24.58 | treke|laptop | root |
| 20:25.05 | treke|laptop | maybe "user" |
| 20:25.14 | tigerpig | no luck |
| 20:26.03 | tigerpig | Connection refused |
| 20:26.13 | treke|laptop | hrm. maybe they pulled it out |
| 20:26.23 | tigerpig | it's a standalone daemon? |
| 20:26.27 | treke|laptop | no |
| 20:26.34 | treke|laptop | it might only listen on the USB port |
| 20:26.44 | tigerpig | I'm connecting over usb0 |
| 20:26.55 | tigerpig | it pings ok |
| 20:27.11 | treke|laptop | dunno |
| 20:27.53 | tigerpig | ethereal shows that the c700 replies with a RST ACK |
| 20:28.23 | tigerpig | maybe I'll port scan it |
| 20:28.23 | treke|laptop | they might have taken it out. it wouldnt take that much hacking to do |
| 20:28.42 | tigerpig | I'm resorting to NFS to transfer files |
| 20:28.46 | tigerpig | which sucks a bit |
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| 20:33.10 | harold | for those of you that have used both: would you reccomend the c700 or a 5xxx more? |
| 20:35.06 | tigerpig | c700 |
| 20:35.11 | tigerpig | the screen is unbelievable |
| 20:35.18 | tigerpig | and I hate the 5xxx keyboards |
| 20:35.35 | tigerpig | prefer the c700 form factor too |
| 20:35.52 | killefiz | harold: but be prepared for ~30 minutes battery runtime with the c700 |
| 20:36.00 | tigerpig | yeah, the 5600 battery is much better |
| 20:36.04 | tigerpig | I bought a spare battery |
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| 20:36.13 | tigerpig | ~30m sounds a bit harsh :-) |
| 20:36.22 | tigerpig | only with a wireless CF card |
| 20:36.30 | killefiz | tigerpig: that's what i've read - i don't have a c700 |
| 20:38.06 | zap-zero | i like the 5500 keyboard pretty much |
| 20:38.20 | harold | what's the battery life of the 5500 or 5600? |
| 20:38.24 | zap-zero | but the c700 is really magnific |
| 20:38.36 | zap-zero | harold: about 3-6 hours |
| 20:38.42 | zap-zero | depending on display backlight etc |
| 20:38.57 | zap-zero | much less with wlan and/or gps |
| 20:39.33 | harold | is the c700 even availible any more? |
| 20:39.37 | tigerpig | zap-zero: what about with BlueTooth? |
| 20:39.40 | tigerpig | harold: I got mine today |
| 20:39.52 | oGMo | any more? it's new ;) |
| 20:41.06 | tigerpig | does anyone know if I reflash my C700 with OZ is there any way of running the Hancom stuff under it? |
| 20:41.13 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 20:41.17 | harold | where from tigerpig? |
| 20:41.58 | tigerpig | harold: conics.net |
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| 20:42.47 | tigerpig | TheMasterMind1: with Hancom Creator? |
| 20:43.00 | harold | too bad it's not on Amazon. I've got a certificate I want^H^H^H^Hneed to use |
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| 20:44.26 | tigerpig | I still don't understand the partitioning |
| 20:45.00 | tigerpig | /dev/root is 24MB, and /dev/mtdblock3 (/home) is 32MB |
| 20:45.18 | treke|laptop | ok? |
| 20:45.31 | tigerpig | are they both flash? |
| 20:45.34 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 20:46.08 | tigerpig | ok, and then there's 32MB of SDRAM too? |
| 20:46.14 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 20:46.39 | tigerpig | so /dev/root is what gets reflashed with OZ? |
| 20:46.55 | tigerpig | and /home gets left? |
| 20:47.11 | treke|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.26 | treke|laptop | probably just becomes a single partition |
| 20:47.36 | tigerpig | <kergoth> tigerpig: there's nothing to backup. flash process overwrites the first 32mb flash partition, which is read only in sharp. the second contains your data and installed apps from the sharp rom. |
| 20:47.36 | tigerpig | <kergoth> tigerpig: the sharp 'rom' first 32mb flash partition is available online for download |
| 20:47.49 | treke|laptop | ok. then it overwrites the first partition |
| 20:47.54 | treke|laptop | and leaves the second |
| 20:47.57 | tigerpig | and the Hancom stuff is in /home? |
| 20:48.25 | treke|laptop | probably on the first parition |
| 20:49.01 | tigerpig | /home/QtPalmTop/bin/HancomMobileWord |
| 20:49.25 | treke|laptop | is that a symbolic link to /root? |
| 20:49.49 | tigerpig | nope |
| 20:49.58 | tigerpig | df says it's on /dev/mtdblock3 |
| 20:50.10 | treke|laptop | I'm not askwing what df says |
| 20:50.20 | treke|laptop | ls -l /home/QtPalmtop/bin/HancomMobileWord |
| 20:51.45 | tigerpig | you're right |
| 20:51.53 | tigerpig | it's a symlink to quickexec in the same dir |
| 20:52.03 | tigerpig | which is a symlink to /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/bin/quickexec |
| 20:52.44 | tigerpig | all the ROM stuff is in dirs like /usr/bin.rom and /usr/share.rom |
| 20:53.02 | treke|laptop | is quickexec suid root? |
| 20:53.30 | tigerpig | no |
| 20:53.39 | tigerpig | 750 root:qpe |
| 20:54.54 | tigerpig | where the hell's the backslash on this thing? |
| 20:55.05 | tigerpig | the \ key produces a Yen symbol |
| 20:55.10 | George`Laptop | rofl |
| 20:56.50 | tigerpig | the only things in /dev/root other than /{usr,lib}/*.rom are the rc.d scripts, pretty much |
| 20:58.07 | harold | OZ uses OPIE where Sharp uses QTopia, right? |
| 20:58.09 | tigerpig | anyone know where the rom kergoth mentioned is available for download? |
| 20:58.14 | tigerpig | harold: I think so |
| 20:58.24 | George`Laptop | harold: nice capitalisation |
| 20:59.58 | harold | thanks :} |
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| 22:11.52 | rev | yoo |
| 22:13.03 | treke|laptop | morning rev |
| 22:23.00 | nofpu | ibot affix |
| 22:23.01 | | [affix] a Bluetooth Protocol Stack for Linux developed by Nokia Research Center and released under GPL. to install and use Affix on iPAQ h3870 try http://affix.sourceforge.net/ipaq.shtml ( or add this to ipkg.conf: 'src affix http://affix.sourceforge.net/feeds/unstable' ) |
| 22:24.11 | nofpu | people are talking about a 2.1 affix package on the affix list - anyone know where I Can find it? |
| 22:26.15 | ivan | but wait 2 months for the ipaq 2200 |
| 22:26.37 | treke|laptop | the 2200 a replacement for the 1900? |
| 22:27.02 | ivan | treke|laptop: no, it's a completely different model |
| 22:27.16 | ivan | about the same size as the 1900 but with a compactflash slot, SDIO, and PPC2003 |
| 22:27.27 | ivan | and integrated bluetooth with a PXA255 proc |
| 22:28.00 | treke|laptop | assuming of course that crl ever finishes the linux ports to the new ones :) |
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| 22:31.03 | nofpu | you'll be holding it for about 2.5 mins I'd imagine |
| 22:31.37 | nofpu | pretty blue hue for a tigerpig |
| 22:31.43 | tigerpig | :) |
| 22:31.50 | tigerpig | *roink* |
| 22:32.23 | tigerpig | tigerpig.org/tigerpig.html |
| 22:33.32 | tigerpig | still going |
| 22:33.35 | zap-zero | self-advertising sucks :P |
| 22:33.42 | tigerpig | sorry |
| 22:34.03 | harold | I'm trying to install QTopia desktop |
| 22:34.04 | nofpu | I know that pig / tiger |
| 22:34.06 | tigerpig | it's hardly a for-profit venture though :) |
| 22:34.14 | harold | from an RPM |
| 22:34.44 | tigerpig | harold: I tried and failed |
| 22:34.45 | harold | but it keeps asking for "libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3" which I can't find anywhere |
| 22:34.49 | tigerpig | need to upgrade my redhat first |
| 22:34.57 | harold | I'm using v9 |
| 22:34.59 | tigerpig | oh |
| 22:35.01 | tigerpig | :-/ |
| 22:35.11 | tigerpig | try the compat-libstdc++ rpm |
| 22:35.16 | harold | and libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 *is not* on any of the CDs |
| 22:35.23 | tigerpig | that's a file, not an rpm |
| 22:36.40 | harold | compat-libstdc++ is already installed |
| 22:37.03 | tigerpig | try pasting it into rpmfind.net's search |
| 22:37.16 | tigerpig | or install rpmdb-redhat and rpm -q --redhatprovides |
| 22:37.18 | tigerpig | or something |
| 22:37.29 | harold | already tried |
| 22:37.38 | harold | If I can't get this I won't be able to use the 5600 :::( |
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| 22:40.47 | fdask | it might be a symlink |
| 22:41.27 | treke|laptop | its probably on the redhat cd as a -compat package |
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| 22:42.33 | ivan | tigerpig: please put up a real photo of a tigerpig |
| 22:42.40 | tigerpig | I did :-p |
| 22:42.46 | ivan | they're cartoons! |
| 22:43.03 | tigerpig | so they are. I never noticed that before |
| 22:43.09 | ivan | heh |
| 22:43.36 | harold | Here's all the RH9 compat-s: |
| 22:43.38 | harold | 2: compat-db-3.3.11-4.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.38 | harold | 2: compat-gcc-g77-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.38 | harold | 2: compat-gcc-java-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.38 | harold | 2: compat-gcc-objc-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.38 | harold | 2: compat-libgcj-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.39 | harold | 2: compat-libgcj-devel-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.42 | harold | 2: compat-pwdb-0.62-3.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.43 | harold | 2: compat-slang-1.4.5-5.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.45 | harold | 2: kde2-compat-2.2.2-9.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.47 | harold | 2: nss_db-compat-2.2-20.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.50 | harold | 2: pilot-link095-compat-0.9.5-22.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.50 | ivan | whee |
| 22:43.51 | harold | 1: compat-gcc-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.53 | harold | 1: compat-gcc-c++-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.55 | harold | 1: compat-libstdc++-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm |
| 22:43.58 | harold | 1: compat-libstdc++-devel-7.3-2.96.118.i386.rpm |
| 22:44.06 | treke|laptop | compat-libstdc++ |
| 22:44.24 | harold | already installed |
| 22:45.13 | harold | that's not what it wants :( |
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| 22:45.31 | treke|laptop | havent used rh9 |
| 22:46.34 | harold | do you hve QTopia installed? |
| 22:46.47 | treke|laptop | yes. why? |
| 22:46.48 | chouimat|tv | ljp: you alive? |
| 22:46.58 | ljp | kinda. too a nap |
| 22:47.04 | ljp | took |
| 22:47.26 | harold | how did yo install it (rpm or source)? |
| 22:47.36 | harold | and what distro? |
| 22:47.55 | treke|laptop | rpm of course. there is no source |
| 22:47.59 | treke|laptop | debian |
| 22:48.08 | chouimat|tv | ljp: I'm still waiting for the eternal compile here |
| 22:48.17 | treke|laptop | you need to locate a package with libstdc++-... |
| 22:48.32 | treke|laptop | it's the gcc 2.95 libstdc++ |
| 22:48.59 | harold | did you use alien to convert packages? |
| 22:49.05 | treke|laptop | I dont recall |
| 22:49.52 | harold | well, how do you sync w/your Z? |
| 22:49.58 | treke|laptop | I dont |
| 22:50.18 | harold | ? |
| 22:50.34 | tigerpig | anyone know how to start opie? |
| 22:51.01 | treke|laptop | harold: I dont sync |
| 22:51.19 | harold | so how do you get stuff onto your Z? |
| 22:51.24 | harold | apps, etc. |
| 22:51.25 | treke|laptop | ssh |
| 22:52.45 | chouimat|tv | http://www.trolltech.com/developer/changes/changes-3.2.0-b1.html |
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| 22:54.10 | harold | or do you not use your Z treke ;) |
| 22:54.20 | treke|laptop | harold: I do it over ssh |
| 22:55.01 | treke|laptop | chouimat|tv: QSyntaxHighlighter? wtf |
| 22:55.48 | ljp | thats been there for a while |
| 22:56.29 | harold | cool |
| 22:56.35 | tigerpig | aargh |
| 22:56.42 | harold | does the default Z software have ssh enabled? |
| 22:56.51 | treke|laptop | nope |
| 22:57.33 | harold | can I enable w/o OZ? |
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| 22:58.18 | ljp | you have to install it on sharp rom |
| 22:58.19 | harold | since OZ isn't on the 5600 yet? |
| 22:58.25 | rev | it's not? |
| 22:58.39 | harold | can I install it w/o QTopia? |
| 22:58.43 | harold | or else I get caught in a loop |
| 23:00.58 | chouimat|tv | ljp: do you know when we're going too see a qt3 qtopia? |
| 23:01.33 | tigerpig | anyone else here run OZ on a C700? |
| 23:02.20 | harold | any ideas treke? |
| 23:02.58 | ljp | chouimat|tv: not for a while |
| 23:03.04 | ljp | maybe never |
| 23:03.40 | chouimat|tv | ljp: and opie? |
| 23:03.41 | rev | anyone have any guess as to when the new Sharp ROM will be out? |
| 23:03.44 | rev | also |
| 23:03.49 | rev | anyone here with a 5600 and a sharprom? |
| 23:05.08 | tech2k | i run this on a 5500 http://www.w-m-p.com/pocketworkstation/ |
| 23:05.14 | ljp | chouimat|tv: dunno |
| 23:05.29 | ljp | probably sooner then never |
| 23:06.50 | harold | does QTopia need gcc 2.95? |
| 23:06.57 | harold | or can I use a symlink of some sort? |
| 23:09.06 | chouimat|tv | ljp: ok |
| 23:12.34 | harold | do I need to cancel my 5600 order? |
| 23:13.40 | ljp | why? |
| 23:15.20 | rev | why would you need to? |
| 23:15.45 | MacGyver | http://www.hispazaurus.com/hancom/ |
| 23:18.29 | rev | i'm thinking of selling my 5500 and going back to using my Jornada 720 |
| 23:18.48 | harold | cuase if I can't get QTopia working I might need to get the 5500 :( |
| 23:19.05 | ljp | qtopia is already on your 5600 |
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| 23:25.13 | ljp | heh |
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| 23:26.29 | nichos | Are there any applets for wireless? to see the transmission? |
| 23:28.23 | fishy | tons |
| 23:28.33 | fishy | ibot: killefix |
| 23:28.33 | | [killefix] not how you spell killefiz |
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| 23:28.34 | fishy | ibot: killefiz |
| 23:28.34 | | killefiz is probably the guy running the zsi (zaurus software index) at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ you can email him: mailto:zaurus@killefiz.de |
| 23:30.08 | nichos | didnt see any |
| 23:30.19 | nichos | im also looking for a way to shut off the CF card, while its in the slot? |
| 23:44.03 | wParam | nichos: try 'cardctl eject' ... i think this turns off the power. it looks like it does, anyway |
| 23:44.10 | wParam | then cardctl insert when you want it back on |
| 23:51.02 | tigerpig | can someone with a CF look at /proc/devices and tell me which entry is for hda1? |
| 23:52.17 | wParam | should be 3: ide0 under block devices |
| 23:52.25 | tigerpig | on the Zaurus? |
| 23:52.55 | wParam | yeah... i mean, that's what the /dev/hda1 file is set to read from |
| 23:53.04 | wParam | i'd imagine that pcmcia is also required for it to work |
| 23:54.33 | tigerpig | cardmgr is running |
| 23:54.38 | tigerpig | and cardctl status sees the card |
| 23:54.46 | tigerpig | but it says hda1 is not a valid block device |
| 23:55.30 | wParam | do you have ide0 under /proc/devices? |
| 23:55.34 | tigerpig | no |
| 23:56.56 | wParam | hmm... that's strange.. i never did manage to figure out how that whole pcmcia->ide thing worked. (like why the CF slot won't work at all without cardmgr running...) |
| 23:57.40 | tigerpig | what should uname -a report for a standard C700 Sharp ROM? |
| 23:57.52 | wParam | all i can think of would be to just remove and reinsert the card... maybe reboot the thing. never had that problem |
| 23:59.23 | tigerpig | have already rebooted several times |
| 23:59.48 | tigerpig | is there any way of extracting the name of a kernel from a zimage? |