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| 00:13.22 | jshare | so, does everybody's Z freeze if you turn it on in the cradle? |
| 00:13.34 | treke | most peoples do |
| 00:13.38 | jshare | this happens on mine and my gf's, with OZ3.2 |
| 00:13.39 | jshare | ok then |
| 00:13.41 | jshare | just checking |
| 00:13.41 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 00:13.50 | dougheckaa | isnt there a fix or somthing? |
| 00:14.03 | treke | I think there is one in unstable |
| 00:14.09 | jshare | please, to be telling me about the fix. |
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| 00:14.45 | treke | write a suspend script that removes the usb modules and a resume script that inserts them |
| 00:17.05 | fdask | is there a Z emulator? |
| 00:17.37 | treke | nope |
| 00:17.51 | treke | you can get qtopia compiled for linux to test on |
| 00:17.57 | treke | er linux/x86 |
| 00:18.51 | fdask | hrmm |
| 00:19.00 | fdask | i've only got an xp box at my disposal right now :\ |
| 00:20.07 | dougheckaa | FORMAT C: |
| 00:20.54 | fdask | ok, i'll get right on that. |
| 00:21.13 | dougheckaa | fdisk |
| 00:21.14 | dougheckaa | :P |
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| 00:28.13 | Martyn | Hey all. |
| 00:28.21 | Martyn | what's the usual runtime for a zaurus? |
| 00:29.24 | dougheckaa | 945343454.545 |
| 00:29.37 | Martyn | (hours wise) |
| 00:29.47 | dougheckaa | oh |
| 00:29.48 | dougheckaa | I dunno |
| 00:29.54 | dougheckaa | a few years |
| 00:30.00 | dougheckaa | ;) |
| 00:30.14 | Martyn | Feh |
| 00:30.22 | fdask | something like 3? |
| 00:30.28 | Martyn | Three? Oh dear. |
| 00:30.49 | Martyn | I'm getting more like an hour or so .. and even that is not guaranteed. |
| 00:30.50 | Martyn | shit. |
| 00:30.56 | dougheckaa | huh |
| 00:30.59 | fdask | with a network card? |
| 00:31.24 | Martyn | no network card. |
| 00:31.27 | Martyn | Standalone |
| 00:31.34 | fdask | damn |
| 00:31.34 | Martyn | I get even less if I have a card inserted. |
| 00:31.37 | fdask | that doesn't sound healthy |
| 00:31.45 | dougheckaa | change display brightness? |
| 00:31.50 | dougheckaa | or is that adjustable? |
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| 00:39.14 | Martyn | No, I think this unit has a bad battery. |
| 00:39.17 | Martyn | Damnit! |
| 00:39.24 | fdask | where did u get it |
| 00:39.31 | Spec | yarg |
| 00:40.09 | Martyn | New in box (still sealed) from an auction |
| 00:40.29 | Spec | kergoth`bbl: The computer would recognize the Zaurus being attached, but the software wouldnt' connect to the Z |
| 00:44.07 | Martyn | Is there any known problem with battery life in the 5500? |
| 00:45.23 | fdask | ya, it only lasts a few hours |
| 00:45.24 | fdask | :P |
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| 00:46.44 | Martyn | That's the same as any other strongarm based device .. I'm talking about battery rundown/breakdown over time |
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| 01:07.17 | mewyn | warmi: ping |
| 01:08.09 | hExML | anyone run benches on 5500 vs. 5600? |
| 01:09.41 | yebyen | heh |
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| 01:11.21 | alobodig | mplayer crashes with a sig 11, is that normal? |
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| 01:14.44 | icefox | the z is little endian right? |
| 01:15.04 | mewyn | yup |
| 01:18.22 | ljp | icefox: how long did you work at sharp?!? ;) |
| 01:23.52 | icefox | a year |
| 01:23.56 | icefox | :) |
| 01:24.04 | icefox | ljp: nother wrong with making sure |
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| 01:24.43 | alobodig | Is there some kind of keyboard sequence that make Ctrl+C? |
| 01:25.14 | ljp | yes |
| 01:25.25 | alobodig | What is it? |
| 01:25.32 | treke | ctrl+c |
| 01:25.50 | alobodig | No, no.. um.. I mean the little pop out keyboard |
| 01:26.49 | alobodig | There's no way to send a ctrl+C from it? |
| 01:27.04 | ljp | depends on the input method |
| 01:27.27 | alobodig | I'm talking about the little built-in keyboard |
| 01:28.11 | mewyn | it all depends on the day of the week |
| 01:28.13 | ljp | which one |
| 01:28.22 | ljp | hadwritting? |
| 01:28.27 | ljp | hand |
| 01:29.11 | alobodig | No, the hardware keyboard |
| 01:29.49 | mutexer | nope.. no ctrl C |
| 01:30.02 | alobodig | Okay thanks |
| 01:30.05 | treke | ljp: he must mean pickboard |
| 01:30.06 | mutexer | I dont think ctrl C cancels a process in the embedded terminal anyway |
| 01:30.16 | mutexer | if thats what your trying to do |
| 01:30.31 | alobodig | That's what I'm trying to do |
| 01:31.49 | alobodig | So how do you send signal 2 to a program running in the embedded terminal? |
| 01:32.14 | mewyn | open a new tab and use kill |
| 01:32.18 | tech2k_ | http://www.geocities.com/jmurff1/files/ZKeys.txt |
| 01:33.40 | alobodig | tech2k_: Thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for |
| 01:33.52 | fdask | good info |
| 01:34.15 | tech2k_ | cool..i was just surfing looking for a better one...that one looked strange |
| 01:34.48 | tech2k_ | man...any of you guys tried "pocket workstation" yet??it rox |
| 01:35.03 | tech2k_ | http://www.w-m-p.com/pocketworkstation/ |
| 01:35.04 | fdask | what is it? |
| 01:35.09 | fdask | ah |
| 01:35.12 | fdask | debian distro? |
| 01:35.27 | tech2k_ | yep..on an sd card formatted to ext2 |
| 01:35.42 | tech2k_ | with apt-get and all the bells and whistles |
| 01:35.57 | tech2k_ | debian tree is ported to the arm |
| 01:36.17 | tech2k_ | i have it on a sl-5500 |
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| 01:40.48 | sharpie | alobodig: one way to get control-c is to use download tapboard. it can produce a real control-c that will stop a running process in terminal |
| 01:41.22 | Spec | function c generally sends it |
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| 01:42.28 | jshare | tech2k, how easy is it to get going with the pocketworkstation thing from OZ3.2 ? |
| 01:42.50 | tech2k_ | i used the crow+deb rom..its tested and very stable |
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| 01:42.58 | jshare | oic |
| 01:43.12 | jshare | my main app is the opie-reader, really |
| 01:43.34 | tech2k_ | i am starting a new section on my homepage about it here http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-tech2k |
| 01:43.55 | tech2k_ | not a lot done on the zaurus yet but my basic install info is there |
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| 01:44.27 | tech2k_ | i think i can run opie apps when i boot to the flash rom...but im not 100% sure |
| 01:44.54 | tech2k_ | you dual boot the sd card (debian) or the flash rom |
| 01:45.19 | jshare | huh, i hadn't thought of using the knoppix CD to use my SD reader under linux |
| 01:45.51 | ljp | knoppix to the rescue! |
| 01:45.52 | tech2k_ | it works awsome |
| 01:46.06 | tech2k_ | i am always trying to take the easy route ;) |
| 01:46.20 | jshare | so is there no support for the cradle-networking whatnot? |
| 01:46.30 | jshare | 'cause I don't have a NIC for the Z |
| 01:46.45 | tech2k_ | it can be done but the easy way is to use wireless |
| 01:46.57 | jshare | hmm |
| 01:47.28 | jshare | i can't decide between wireless and wired. |
| 01:47.43 | jshare | on one hand, i don't have wireless infrastructure, so would have to build/buy |
| 01:47.51 | jshare | on the other hand, it'd be nice to "warwalk" |
| 01:48.04 | tech2k_ | i just set one up at work for 75 bucks |
| 01:48.12 | tech2k_ | + the nic |
| 01:48.16 | jshare | yeah, it prolly wouldn't be so bad |
| 01:48.32 | jshare | i was thinking I'd get an access port thing, and another ethernet NIC for my linux box |
| 01:48.37 | jshare | so as to use it as a firewall |
| 01:48.38 | tech2k_ | the 75 bucks was for a linksys cable/dsl router wap |
| 01:49.20 | tech2k_ | its shareing a dialup connection with ics on a single xp box getting out about 1600 feet |
| 01:50.00 | tech2k_ | my boss had just got the dell pda..im glad i went with a linux one |
| 01:52.31 | tech2k_ | im setting up wireless at home next...right now i am haveing to browse the debian tree and get my apps and depends (yuck) manualy and then install with dpkg -i from the cf card...i caint wait to use apt-get |
| 01:53.07 | tech2k_ | knoppix live and the readers sure do help without wireless |
| 02:00.41 | aranaxon | why is it i can only set up some jpg/png's are backgrounds on the Z |
| 02:00.51 | aranaxon | otheres just show a white background |
| 02:01.02 | jshare | manually edit the file |
| 02:01.16 | jshare | that's the only way I could get mine to use the right backgroudns |
| 02:01.24 | aranaxon | i've been continuously editing |
| 02:01.36 | treke|ho1e | jpgs work. pngs usually dont |
| 02:01.40 | aranaxon | kinda hit or miss.. i started with a base image (that worked as background) |
| 02:01.47 | aranaxon | added my name across to bottom to personalize it |
| 02:01.59 | aranaxon | saved as a new jpg in fireworks and photoshop.. niehter of the new ones is working |
| 02:02.01 | jshare | you are manually editing the file, and it still doesn't work? |
| 02:02.22 | aranaxon | manually editing meaning w/ a image editor right? not like... binary or hex editor :D |
| 02:02.48 | jshare | no, i mean use a text editor to manually edit the file that stores the preferences for which image to use |
| 02:02.58 | jshare | instead of the gui, which i think is broken |
| 02:02.58 | mutexer | does the 5600 have the buggy xscale chip or the new one thats actually 2x faster than a 200mhz strongARM? |
| 02:02.59 | kergoth`bbl | Spec: then its still user error. You didnt set the desktop side ip to 192.168.129.1, or you didnt run security and hit OK, as outlined in the documentation. |
| 02:03.08 | kergoth`bbl | 5600 has a pxa250, the buggy one |
| 02:03.29 | aranaxon | oh. i guess i could do that... i'll need to wanderinto the terminal huh |
| 02:03.34 | mutexer | thx |
| 02:03.38 | aranaxon | sometimes the gui works for me tho'... |
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| 02:03.53 | treke|ho1e | is the pxa255 actually 2 times faster than a 200mhz strongarm? |
| 02:04.02 | mewyn | kergoth`bbl: getting ready for the move? |
| 02:04.35 | kergoth`bbl | mewyn: yeah, though I'm moving most of my stuff into a storage facility, not to texas right away. |
| 02:04.46 | aranaxon | jshare: would u mind walking me through this? |
| 02:05.06 | jshare | i forget where the file is. :) |
| 02:05.53 | jshare | ah, /root/Settings/Launcher.conf |
| 02:06.27 | icefox | kergoth`bbl: are they going to be paying you to work on oe? |
| 02:06.30 | icefox | or something else? |
| 02:06.32 | jshare | There should be a bunch of headers like |
| 02:06.39 | jshare | [Tab Applications] |
| 02:06.47 | kergoth`bbl | icefox: no, I'll be working on something else. Linux driver development and porting for their OMAP processor |
| 02:06.48 | jshare | much like a windows ini file. :) |
| 02:06.56 | kergoth`bbl | icefox: ought to be fun |
| 02:06.57 | aranaxon | ahhh... i think i understand |
| 02:07.17 | aranaxon | doesn't seem to link to the desire jpg |
| 02:07.27 | jshare | The background setting is: BackgroundImage = /path/to/image |
| 02:07.29 | jshare | yeah |
| 02:07.35 | jshare | that's why i say the gui is buggy |
| 02:07.40 | aranaxon | i understand now :D |
| 02:07.44 | aranaxon | thanks.. lets see if this fixes it up |
| 02:07.54 | jshare | you may have to restart opie, i forget |
| 02:07.55 | jshare | probably |
| 02:08.02 | ljp | someone shoot my head, please. Thank you. |
| 02:09.37 | _Psycho | hmm not sure you really want ! |
| 02:09.38 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 02:10.02 | ljp | no, not that. thank you. |
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| 02:10.20 | _Psycho | there problem fixed ! |
| 02:11.24 | kergoth`bbl | ~shoot ljp |
| 02:11.29 | | ACTION shoots ljp in the head. |
| 02:11.42 | ljp | much better.. wait.. nope. didnt work. |
| 02:13.55 | aranaxon | work accursed thing! |
| 02:18.46 | aranaxon | ahhhh nice |
| 02:18.50 | aranaxon | many thanks jshare :D |
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| 03:29.58 | mutexer | ibot ZSI |
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| 03:59.38 | dx | what is zaurus |
| 03:59.57 | fdask | a sharp pda |
| 03:59.58 | ChipX86|Coding | a linux-based PDA from Sharp |
| 04:00.30 | dx | i see |
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| 04:02.03 | dx | its applications are written in C ? |
| 04:06.56 | bipolar_ZzZzzz | dx: c++, mostly |
| 04:07.31 | bipolar_ZzZzzz | dx: using the QT toolkit from TrollTech, like KDE |
| 04:08.28 | dx | does it compile them |
| 04:08.40 | treke|ho1e | if you install a compiler |
| 04:08.46 | dx | neato |
| 04:08.48 | bipolar_ZzZzzz | dx: you can get a native compler, but it's best to cross compile |
| 04:09.03 | bipolar_ZzZzzz | dx: native compiling is *slow* |
| 04:09.11 | dx | i can imagine |
| 04:17.31 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:17.56 | oGMo | chouimat|Zzzz: night |
| 04:18.55 | wParam | haHAHAha... stupid qtopia and it's "your app WILL DIE if you push cancel," hehe, it can't do that if it thinks the cancel button is the letter c! |
| 04:23.42 | wParam | yay for having the kernel source code |
| 04:23.49 | oGMo | hehe |
| 04:24.00 | oGMo | i thought putting on/off on the cancel button was a particularly bad choice |
| 04:24.12 | oGMo | more that once i've turned it off to find whatever i had entered cancelled |
| 04:24.19 | wParam | yeah, i'd have to agree |
| 04:24.37 | wParam | fortunately, the "off" button comes through as another scancode, which I can also block |
| 04:24.58 | wParam | no more turning off thing by mistake trying to turn it on when the screen is blanked |
| 04:25.42 | wParam | hopefully i'll have less problems with corrupted CF cards if I do that |
| 04:26.54 | wParam | i would never have thought that getting the car mp3 player to work right would send me off hacking into the kernel |
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| 05:14.38 | lcandell | kergoth: thanks for the usbnet tip it works like a charm :) |
| 05:14.56 | kergoth | np, glad to hear it |
| 05:15.07 | lcandell | alex thank you too for the usbnet.c :) |
| 05:15.22 | lcandell | cool now i can install a media player :) |
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| 05:23.39 | oGMo | iqnotes rocks |
| 05:23.47 | oGMo | for the record |
| 05:26.59 | wParam | i liked it better back when it didn't prompt for a filename every time you started it up |
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| 05:46.55 | wParam | w00t! madplay with pitch/tempo shifting on the zaurus |
| 05:48.14 | kergoth | wParam: had fun w/ key remapping eh? |
| 05:48.24 | wParam | yeah |
| 05:48.30 | wParam | that too :) |
| 05:48.47 | kergoth | i had to fuck with that quite a bit |
| 05:49.32 | kergoth | wrote a new keyboard driver for the 2.4.19 tree, and then wrote a new qt keyboard handler that inherits the kernel keymap, rather than having its own, hardcoded map |
| 05:49.42 | wParam | oh, sweet |
| 05:49.48 | wParam | that would be ... really really nice |
| 05:49.58 | kergoth | so now we have *one* place to control keymapping for kernel, X, and opie |
| 05:50.02 | kergoth | pretty handy |
| 05:50.07 | kergoth | brb |
| 05:50.12 | wParam | 'cause I can type all the chars in console mode using the alt key, but qtopia still struggles |
| 05:51.25 | wParam | this is more like filtering (and sometimes changing) the scancodes as they come off of the driver (in handle_scancode), because qtopia can't bypass that |
| 05:51.50 | wParam | i also set it so I can flash a light when i press a key so that I won't end up freaking out trying to turn on the zaurus when it's already on |
| 05:53.44 | wParam | but right now I'm off to make a test run of car player version .. um, new version. bbl |
| 06:00.53 | djr | hehe |
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| 06:14.55 | kergoth | wParam: i'll write an opie app for creating a kernel .map, and loading/dumping maps to/from the kernel, to make it easier, eventually |
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| 06:19.53 | frankps | morning |
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| 07:01.42 | Zxcvb | has anyone managed to get starcraft working on the Z? |
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| 07:10.25 | fliplap | i swear, 1 out of every 2 mozilla releases just completely sucks |
| 07:11.47 | fliplap | they were doing so well for awhile |
| 07:17.02 | kendrick | http://www.compusa.com/product_images/pdfs/ads/9B146D802C2B4D29925403/pg11.pdf <-- rebates on wireless stuff |
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| 07:26.50 | hExML | fliplap: when they go to phoenix hopefully it will get better |
| 07:27.01 | hExML | phoenix/firebird wahtever |
| 07:28.01 | hExML | i hate rebates... they always try to f' you |
| 07:31.25 | fdask | omg FREE installation! |
| 07:31.39 | fdask | wireless can be tricky 2 get installed |
| 07:31.40 | fdask | ;) |
| 07:44.22 | Zxcvb | fdask: not that hard with a good scope |
| 07:44.32 | Zxcvb | fdask: dual trace at a minimum |
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| 09:52.14 | rastakid | Hello |
| 09:52.41 | rastakid | What do I need to do to make my Mandrake Linux 'talk' with my Zaurus? I just want to ssh and scp between them. |
| 09:52.59 | rastakid | Mandrake Linux 9.1 (Bamboo) and Zaurus SL-5500 ROM 2.37 |
| 09:56.43 | phoen][x | with usb? |
| 09:57.09 | rastakid | yes, indeed |
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| 10:49.04 | shishi | hello |
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| 11:05.36 | sirius | typically when i start up after suspension |
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| 13:39.22 | Com[Plex] | hey guys, how do I scandisk the cf card in the zaurus? - I tried umounting, then using ; fsck.msdos /dev/hda1 - but it says; /dev/hda1:no such file or directory.. tried it with fsck.vfat with the same result. |
| 13:43.25 | Com[Plex] | troff, fsck.msdfos is there, it sayid it couldnt find dev/hda1 |
| 13:48.29 | heigldw | is /dev/hda1 the correct mount point? |
| 13:48.40 | heigldw | er, device |
| 13:49.10 | Wintre | Com[Plex]: Did you just unmount the FS or did you also eject the CF card? |
| 13:49.44 | Com[Plex] | Ive tried both, |
| 13:50.02 | Wintre | You should only unmount the FS and leave the card inserted, so that the device is still valid. |
| 13:50.06 | Com[Plex] | /dev/hda1 is the corret mount point |
| 13:50.15 | Wintre | s/mount point/device |
| 13:50.24 | Com[Plex] | doing that gave me a bus error |
| 13:50.42 | Com[Plex] | anyway, I think I got it. I had to umount it, then use cardctl suspend and then scandisk it |
| 13:50.45 | Com[Plex] | fsck |
| 13:50.49 | Wintre | Suspend? |
| 13:50.50 | Wintre | Urgh |
| 13:51.05 | Com[Plex] | cardctl suspend |
| 13:51.23 | Wintre | Strange |
| 13:51.28 | Com[Plex] | got 0 bytes instead of 512 at 0 |
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| 14:01.05 | Pendalar | can we change the mascot to Pecola? |
| 14:06.50 | CuCullin | I really have to stop taking the Z out of suspend in the cradle... |
| 14:28.31 | Com[Plex] | crash? |
| 14:33.03 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:33.09 | ljp | is it? |
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| 15:21.28 | warmi | hi |
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| 15:24.47 | hardwire | doobie doobie dooo |
| 15:25.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:25.10 | heigldw | inside and outside, blue his house |
| 15:25.30 | bul|work | somebody seen dreamcatcher ? ;) |
| 15:25.35 | heigldw | yeah |
| 15:25.36 | hardwire | so far the Fujitsu P2120 series is winning |
| 15:25.47 | hardwire | its little.. and w/ additional batteries it can run for 12 hours |
| 15:25.50 | hardwire | :) |
| 15:25.56 | bul|work | doobie doobie dooo <- dreamcatcher |
| 15:26.12 | hardwire | doobie doobie doo <- catchphrase of boredom |
| 15:29.54 | heigldw | anyone here tried out any bluetooth rs232 cable replacers on a Z? |
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| 15:49.35 | olliegallardo_Z | anyone using mysql on zaurus |
| 15:49.36 | olliegallardo_Z | ? |
| 15:50.47 | heigldw | I've seen a site recently where a guy was using apache+php with mysql on a Z |
| 15:51.28 | olliegallardo_Z | I'm installed it and it's running fine but i can't my sqldump to work |
| 15:52.13 | olliegallardo_Z | mysqldump that is |
| 15:52.25 | heigldw | #mysql on irc.linux.org might be a good place to look, people there have a lot more insight sometimes |
| 15:53.01 | olliegallardo_Z | i think i will check that out |
| 15:53.12 | heigldw | hope it works out |
| 15:53.42 | olliegallardo_Z | this is myt first time here . what are the sorts of zaurus topics that get discussed here? |
| 15:53.53 | oGMo | zaurus? what's a zaurus? |
| 15:54.05 | oGMo | oh wait, i guess the topic gives it away ;) |
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| 15:58.48 | savant | I've been lurking here for about a day, and my experience is that more or less nothing gets discussed here. |
| 16:00.26 | olliegallardo_Z | hehe..sounds useful. i thought it was going to bustling with zaurus developers and newbies asking questions |
| 16:02.13 | kergoth | not many devs hang here anymore. a few do |
| 16:03.29 | olliegallardo_Z | is there not much zaurus development going on anymore? |
| 16:03.46 | kergoth | its stagnated due to sharp |
| 16:04.54 | olliegallardo_Z | what is sharp doing to stop development? |
| 16:05.11 | olliegallardo_Z | I'm really out of the loop so please excuse me |
| 16:05.43 | savant | from what I can gather, they've pretty much halted 5500 development (promising new rom, but not delivering) whilst holding off on 5600 efforts for inexplicable reasons. |
| 16:07.42 | savant | not only that, but people are feeling jilted because of the PIM software's extreme flakiness, the inability to sync, etc |
| 16:08.02 | olliegallardo_Z | That explains why i can't find many programs that have been released in the past 6 months |
| 16:08.54 | olliegallardo_Z | It's a bit disconcerting since I just bought my Zaurus |
| 16:09.01 | kergoth | opie gets developed quite actively. opie exists because of sharp's behavior, so we've had to go off and do our own thing |
| 16:09.10 | kergoth | olliegallardo_Z: if you want to see improvements, go with OZ+opie |
| 16:09.34 | savant | yeah. Opie gives me hope. Soon as I buy a mem card (bought my Z a few days ago) I'm gonna try it out |
| 16:10.10 | olliegallardo_Z | do i need to install a new install a new rom to use opie? |
| 16:10.51 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:11.14 | warmi | perhaps that is prelude to their exit from US market altogether |
| 16:12.27 | olliegallardo_Z | I hope not |
| 16:13.49 | warmi | I wonder how 5600 is selling |
| 16:14.05 | kergoth | i wonder if they've sold out yet |
| 16:14.24 | olliegallardo_Z | I bought a refurb 5500 for $199 |
| 16:15.04 | savant | yeah, I got a refurb as well. Tigerdirect.com. (: |
| 16:15.12 | olliegallardo_Z | same |
| 16:15.30 | kergoth | that reminds me, guess i should get off my ass and post a new news item to openzaurus.org |
| 16:15.32 | warmi | olliegallardo_Z: well, then it is not like you are risking a lot ..even is Sharp does get out from US PDA market |
| 16:16.00 | kergoth | there'll always be OZ for future improvement, its not like you're totally hosed |
| 16:17.23 | TimRiker | and OE for other hardware too. ;-) |
| 16:17.40 | kergoth | yeap |
| 16:17.55 | chouimat | yup ... anyone working on OE for PS2?/ |
| 16:18.12 | TimRiker | or the xbox? ;-) |
| 16:18.47 | chouimat | TimRiker: I don't have any of those ... hmmmmm need to fix that Dreamcast :( |
| 16:20.12 | olliegallardo_Z | how serious is sharp about getting out of the US market? |
| 16:20.56 | warmi | olliegallardo_Z: I don't know .. they claim they that's bullshit and they are not getting out |
| 16:21.06 | warmi | but you know ... they all say that :-) |
| 16:21.32 | warmi | the basic point is that since Zs are not selling all that well then what else are they going to do ? |
| 16:22.36 | savant | I wonder why they aren't selling well. Go to Best Buy or Circuit city. You see 7 flavors of Palm, 3-4 Handsprings, a few random CE devices. No Zaurus. Ever. |
| 16:22.50 | savant | That's why. No market presence. |
| 16:23.36 | olliegallardo_Z | My boss has been using Palms for a few years now and I convinved him to get a zaurus. he loves it. seems like the word just never got out. |
| 16:24.31 | savant | Pretty much. I would not be suprised if they were afraid to let it out past the enthusiast market, since it's such a finicky device with regard to PIM and syncing. |
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| 16:25.30 | warmi | savant: it used to be present in BestBuys .. they weren't selling well so BB dropped the product |
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| 16:25.43 | warmi | same goes for Circuit City etc |
| 16:25.53 | warmi | seems like Palm and PPC have pretty much cornered the market |
| 16:26.40 | savant | seems so |
| 16:27.47 | warmi | hmm .. the fixed point math class I am using seems to think that -3 * -1 = -2 |
| 16:27.49 | warmi | interesting |
| 16:28.34 | olliegallardo_Z | I think it being linux scares people aswell. The first worry my boss had was that it won't be compatible with Windows. If he wasn't so interested in linux he woudn' thave bought one |
| 16:28.37 | savant | well, I suppose if you take sufficiently small values of 3 and sufficiently large values of -2, you're all set |
| 16:29.46 | savant | olliegallardo_Z: my feeling is that the linux aspect should be very secondary. No one cares that a palm runs palmos, for example. No one cares that an iPac runs CE. It should just be another PDA that happens to run linux. |
| 16:30.34 | olliegallardo_Z | no one on irc.linux.org could help me with my zaurus mysqldump problem |
| 16:30.40 | savant | doh |
| 16:31.29 | warmi | savant: Zaurus got pretty bad review in WSJ .. |
| 16:31.36 | warmi | it went downhill from there |
| 16:31.49 | warmi | on the other hand it had some good reviews in other places but stilll |
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| 16:31.51 | savant | warmi: WSJ? |
| 16:31.51 | warmi | wasn't enough |
| 16:31.59 | warmi | Wall Street Journal |
| 16:32.01 | treke|laptop | Wall Street Journal |
| 16:32.05 | savant | ah |
| 16:32.17 | savant | what didn't WSJ like? |
| 16:32.22 | warmi | syncing |
| 16:32.27 | savant | fair enough |
| 16:32.36 | savant | I've yet to get mine to sync |
| 16:32.39 | olliegallardo_Z | Is it really tah tbad at syncing? |
| 16:32.43 | olliegallardo_Z | I hav't tried yet |
| 16:32.48 | treke|laptop | alobodig: yes. |
| 16:32.49 | treke|laptop | :) |
| 16:33.01 | warmi | the guy who reviewed it basically said that since he cannot even get his Z to synch with Windows then why even bother |
| 16:33.05 | mutexer | Ive never tried in windows.. takes a bit of work in linux |
| 16:33.30 | warmi | he also bitched about default apps being crappy etc.. |
| 16:33.51 | olliegallardo_Z | the main reason I needed the zaurus was to run a mysql database |
| 16:34.13 | alobodig | Wait, did I say something at some point? |
| 16:35.14 | mutexer | the default apps are crappy :) |
| 16:35.28 | mutexer | although it has more games by default than PocketPC |
| 16:35.40 | warmi | more crappy games |
| 16:35.44 | warmi | heh |
| 16:35.44 | mutexer | hehe |
| 16:36.09 | olliegallardo_Z | My girlfriend likes the word game |
| 16:36.51 | olliegallardo_Z | but she gets pissed off cause the dictionary on it sucks |
| 16:36.51 | mutexer | mindsweeper is the only worthwhile one to me |
| 16:37.13 | mutexer | astroid game sucks, snake game sucks |
| 16:37.21 | kergoth | tetrix isnt bad, but not having a high score blew |
| 16:37.29 | kergoth | course the opie tetrix has a high score |
| 16:37.30 | kergoth | ;) |
| 16:37.33 | mutexer | tetrix isnt in the default rom |
| 16:37.49 | kergoth | its part of qpe. |
| 16:37.54 | kergoth | didnt realize you meant only whats on the rom |
| 16:37.57 | kergoth | the default rom sucks |
| 16:37.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:38.32 | olliegallardo_Z | anyone run freeswan on their zaurus? |
| 16:38.48 | olliegallardo_Z | i guess it's zeeswan actually |
| 16:39.07 | mutexer | thats the default thing the WSJ was bashing |
| 16:39.27 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 16:39.28 | mutexer | your average person probably couldnt install OZ.. or even know about it |
| 16:39.43 | mutexer | more likely they would never heard of it |
| 16:39.50 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:39.53 | mutexer | I enver heard of it till I came here |
| 16:40.23 | kergoth | though its becoming more known recently due to sharp dropping the ball, its still largely unknown |
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| 16:41.29 | olliegallardo_Z | man..this whole thing with sharp is really bringin me down. I was very excited to have my zaurus. Now it seems the outlook is so bleek. |
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| 16:41.55 | mutexer | does oz have a graphical file viewer? (like konqueror or naughty-lus) |
| 16:42.32 | olliegallardo_Z | what is the home site for OZ? |
| 16:42.44 | mutexer | openzaurus.org |
| 16:43.37 | treke|laptop | mutexer: file manager or viewer? |
| 16:43.46 | mutexer | manager |
| 16:43.49 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 16:43.53 | mutexer | couldnt think of the best name for it |
| 16:44.21 | treke|laptop | yeah theres a big difference between some of the stuff konq and nautilus can do from the stuff oz can do |
| 16:44.55 | mutexer | oh yeah.. the sharp rom has one too.. heh |
| 16:44.58 | mutexer | forgot about that |
| 16:45.08 | treke|laptop | oz's beats sharps :) |
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| 16:51.26 | alobodig | I still haven't figured out how to install stuff in ram and have it appear in all the menus with the OZ ROM |
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| 17:10.01 | Pendalar | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sssdmh=dm5.26543&sku=10330513&loc=101&queryType=comp&em=1000 |
| 17:10.08 | Pendalar | damn good price for a lexar 256mb SD |
| 17:11.36 | kergoth | alobodig: use the gui package manager. |
| 17:11.47 | kergoth | alobodig: if you install from console, run ipkg-link add [packagename] afterwards |
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| 17:51.59 | olliegallardo_Z | I've been reading up on OZ. It mentions that they have removed proprietary software such as opera. What then is the replacement web browser? |
| 17:53.29 | kergoth | konqueror/embedded is available |
| 17:53.38 | kergoth | or you can rip opera out of your sharp rom before ditching it, using operacreator |
| 17:54.17 | olliegallardo_Z | how does konqueror compare to opera? |
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| 18:10.05 | alobodig | kergoth: Thanks |
| 18:10.15 | kergoth | np |
| 18:10.26 | Pendalar | they both have a few problems but I like konq much better |
| 18:11.51 | olliegallardo_Z | I think I'm going to attempt putting OZ on my zaurus today or tomorrow. |
| 18:12.17 | olliegallardo_Z | is there a way to backup my ROM? |
| 18:12.30 | Pendalar | 'Where do you want to go today?' 'OZ baby OZZZZ' |
| 18:12.40 | Pendalar | unison or tar etc |
| 18:12.43 | Pendalar | manual method |
| 18:13.40 | kergoth | olliegallardo_Z: you dont need to backup the rom itself. sharp roms are avail on their site |
| 18:15.19 | olliegallardo_Z | ok thank you both |
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| 18:21.05 | olliegallardo_Z | ok got another question. need to format a CF card. How can I do that with my Zaurus? |
| 18:22.28 | kendrick | widowmaker, i think...? |
| 18:23.17 | olliegallardo_Z | i noticed that mkdosfs is on my Zaurus |
| 18:24.49 | olliegallardo_Z | looks like mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/hda |
| 18:24.55 | olliegallardo_Z | should do it i think |
| 18:25.07 | olliegallardo_Z | anyone think that is a bad idea? |
| 18:25.30 | savant | not so long as that's that correct device. ;) |
| 18:26.00 | olliegallardo_Z | i looked at the fstab on the zaurus and that's where it looks to point to |
| 18:26.27 | savant | no problem then. |
| 18:28.09 | olliegallardo_Z | wait..what's the /dev/mmcda1 ? |
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| 18:48.58 | Freddie | re all |
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| 18:52.17 | savant | hehe, it's that cwaig guy from the dev board |
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| 19:04.21 | dougheckaa | so..... |
| 19:04.39 | dougheckaa | but will it run OZ? |
| 19:04.40 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 19:04.52 | kergoth | heh, you could run oz on your desktop without an emulator, build it for x86 |
| 19:04.53 | kergoth | :P |
| 19:05.00 | phoen][x | heh |
| 19:05.07 | kergoth | dougheckaa: it wont emulate the Z specific bits, only ARM in general |
| 19:05.09 | dougheckaa | yea, but I want the whole thing, all the apps and stuff |
| 19:05.14 | dougheckaa | oh |
| 19:05.15 | kergoth | you can run opie on a desktop |
| 19:05.20 | kergoth | in qvfb, or directly on the linux framebuffer |
| 19:05.27 | dougheckaa | hrm |
| 19:05.28 | phoen][x | kergoth: well, that's not l33t enough :D |
| 19:05.33 | dougheckaa | phoen][x: yea! |
| 19:05.33 | dougheckaa | :P |
| 19:05.35 | kergoth | bah |
| 19:06.08 | Freddie | there should be a zaurus emulator for mame |
| 19:06.08 | Freddie | :) |
| 19:06.19 | dougheckaa | hmm |
| 19:06.32 | dougheckaa | emulate the zaurus in mame? |
| 19:06.37 | Freddie | I was joking |
| 19:06.41 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 19:06.42 | dougheckaa | http://arcem.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:06.45 | Freddie | mame isn't really suited for that sort of thing |
| 19:06.57 | phoen][x | no kidding? |
| 19:07.07 | kergoth | Freddie: did you use to go by Verx? |
| 19:07.08 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 19:07.23 | kergoth | as your nick i mean |
| 19:07.49 | Freddie | kergoth: A long time ago, yes |
| 19:07.50 | Freddie | why? |
| 19:08.13 | kergoth | cause I was wondering whatever happened to him. |
| 19:08.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:08.21 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 19:08.34 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:08.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:08.55 | kergoth | you did the opie keyboard shit right, tought me some basics about keyboard drivers |
| 19:09.02 | kergoth | didnt know you were still around |
| 19:09.06 | Verxion | and was out of the whole Zaurus thing for LOTS of months |
| 19:09.32 | kergoth | ah, sorry to hear that |
| 19:09.33 | Verxion | yes kergoth, that is right |
| 19:09.44 | kergoth | she fine now? |
| 19:09.45 | Verxion | though, "taught kergoth some basics" is really stretching it |
| 19:09.47 | Verxion | yeah, she is |
| 19:10.05 | kergoth | well, i knew nothing about keyboard shit then :) |
| 19:10.08 | Verxion | I basically told you like 2 or 3 things |
| 19:10.09 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:10.16 | Verxion | like everything |
| 19:10.35 | Verxion | you are a God and surpassed the student before the student had said anything truly meaningful |
| 19:10.35 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:11.14 | Verxion | s/like everything/like everything you touch |
| 19:11.52 | Verxion | kergoth: Did you ever get a chance to use GetDone!? |
| 19:11.53 | dougheckaa | flattery dont work here |
| 19:12.03 | Verxion | dougheckaa: heh, how about fact/ |
| 19:12.03 | Verxion | ? |
| 19:12.13 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 19:12.31 | kergoth | I used it for about 15 minutes, had a few comments, and havent had time since |
| 19:12.40 | kergoth | and dont remember what the comments were :) |
| 19:12.40 | Verxion | heh |
| 19:12.44 | Verxion | okie |
| 19:12.44 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:12.46 | kergoth | i'll get to it one of these days |
| 19:12.53 | Verxion | I understand |
| 19:12.55 | kergoth | things are pretty hectic what with moving to dallas and all |
| 19:13.02 | Verxion | I just wanted to make sure you got what you paid for out of it |
| 19:13.03 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:13.04 | Verxion | heheh |
| 19:13.13 | Verxion | oh, I didn't know you were moving |
| 19:13.28 | kergoth | TI hired me |
| 19:13.33 | Verxion | congrats man |
| 19:13.41 | Verxion | I assume it is a step up from digi? |
| 19:13.46 | kergoth | linux driver development/porting for the ARM OMAP processor |
| 19:13.48 | kergoth | oh hell yes |
| 19:13.51 | Verxion | cool man |
| 19:13.51 | kergoth | no more tech support for me |
| 19:13.53 | dougheckaa | he gets to meet TimRiker |
| 19:13.54 | Verxion | VERY VERY glad for you |
| 19:14.01 | kergoth | i met tim already, he's pretty cool |
| 19:14.05 | dougheckaa | oh |
| 19:14.06 | Verxion | linux driver dev? |
| 19:14.07 | kergoth | we bullshitted during my 'interview' with him |
| 19:14.09 | mewyn | tim's gonna be working for TI? |
| 19:14.12 | dougheckaa | hehe |
| 19:14.13 | Verxion | why would they think you know anything about that? |
| 19:14.14 | kergoth | he already is |
| 19:14.14 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:14.15 | dougheckaa | mewyn: he works there |
| 19:14.16 | kergoth | he's my boss |
| 19:14.28 | kergoth | one of them anyway. i have 2 |
| 19:14.36 | kergoth | which isnt 8, so no office space comments |
| 19:14.38 | kergoth | :P |
| 19:14.41 | Verxion | hehehe |
| 19:14.47 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:14.54 | mewyn | heh |
| 19:15.06 | mewyn | no more irc from work :) |
| 19:15.13 | dougheckaa | writen by monkeys... |
| 19:15.29 | Verxion | "Did she give you her 'O' face?" |
| 19:15.30 | kergoth | mewyn: apparently their firewall absolutely blows. going to have to fight them a bit |
| 19:15.37 | Verxion | "You know. . . . O, O, O, O" |
| 19:15.38 | Verxion | rofl |
| 19:15.44 | mewyn | kergoth: depends on what ports are open |
| 19:15.47 | kergoth | lol, i gotta watch that tonight |
| 19:15.51 | dougheckaa | TimRiker got bzflag to work through there firewall iirc |
| 19:15.53 | dougheckaa | :P |
| 19:15.55 | Verxion | heh |
| 19:16.01 | mewyn | i'm gonna be adding another sshd process to zelda on port 23 |
| 19:16.04 | Verxion | kergoth: It is -*ALWAYS*- worth another viewing |
| 19:16.12 | kergoth | yeah, definately |
| 19:16.26 | dougheckaa | he hacked it up so it worked through the proxy server |
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| 19:21.20 | Verxion | btw |
| 19:21.28 | Verxion | just as a sort of public service announcement |
| 19:21.34 | Verxion | if any of you ever have emergency surgery |
| 19:21.44 | Verxion | INSIST upon xrays afterwards, done by a third party |
| 19:21.56 | Verxion | to make sure nothing is left inside you that wasn't supposed to be |
| 19:22.13 | savant | w00ps |
| 19:22.26 | Verxion | the hospital has to comply with the request. And if you don't end up finding anything, just be glad you know |
| 19:22.32 | Verxion | it is still worth it to do it |
| 19:22.47 | kergoth | ill remember that |
| 19:22.53 | Verxion | yes. do. |
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| 19:32.01 | treke | welcome back Verxion :) |
| 19:32.39 | Verxion | heh, thank ye |
| 19:33.42 | chouimat | ljp: having one electrical circuit for 4 rooms is fun ... and it's got better when you blow a fuse when turning on the vacuum cleaner |
| 19:34.12 | ljp | been there.. done that |
| 19:34.26 | kergoth | interesting discussion about the new gadget api on linux-usb-devel |
| 19:34.32 | ljp | if I run my clothes washer and clothes dryer at the same time, it'll pop the breaker |
| 19:34.36 | kergoth | stuart lynne, formerly of lineo, chimed in |
| 19:34.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:34.44 | ljp | haha |
| 19:35.10 | kergoth | he did the usbd stuff, so knows about this shit. dealing with the events, and the chip errata for the pxa and strongarm |
| 19:35.27 | chouimat | kergoth: sound fun |
| 19:35.50 | kergoth | chouimat: I'm looking forward to using this api, its sooo much cleaner than usbd and usb-ether both |
| 19:36.14 | Verxion | chouimat: I am building a new house - made sure I had a 20amp circuit for each room and a SEPARATE 20 amp line in addition for my computer room |
| 19:36.31 | chouimat | Verxion: go for 30 amp :) |
| 19:36.39 | Verxion | so the computer room has all its outlets on a single 20 amp circuit, and a separate 20 amp outlet in addition |
| 19:36.42 | savant | what, no seperate server room? |
| 19:36.48 | Verxion | sevant: Actually, I do |
| 19:36.54 | Verxion | the house has a huge stairway |
| 19:36.58 | savant | Verxion: good man |
| 19:37.05 | Verxion | and a correspondingly large room under the stairs |
| 19:37.05 | Verxion | that is the server room |
| 19:37.05 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:37.09 | savant | (: |
| 19:37.16 | Verxion | I even had them put in a raised floor |
| 19:37.21 | Verxion | (the wife didna like that idea) |
| 19:37.25 | savant | oh wow, now that's classy. |
| 19:37.29 | Verxion | heh |
| 19:37.31 | Verxion | I thought so |
| 19:37.45 | savant | I keep trying to convince my wife to let me put a PC or two in the living room. She says they're too unsightly. |
| 19:37.46 | ljp | just dont wall up any servers |
| 19:37.57 | Verxion | ljp: wall up? |
| 19:37.57 | treke | unless they run netware |
| 19:38.11 | ljp | encolse a server in a wall |
| 19:38.15 | ljp | enclose |
| 19:38.15 | Verxion | oh |
| 19:38.21 | Verxion | you can do that if they run Linux |
| 19:39.12 | Verxion | I would personally be nervous about walling a box up regardless though |
| 19:39.22 | Verxion | even if I had no foundation for the nervousness |
| 19:39.41 | chouimat | Verxion: one of my friend put a removable panel on one wall of his computer room ... so when I need to change the wire etc ... he go in the other room and open the panel |
| 19:39.48 | treke | hardware dies |
| 19:39.54 | Verxion | yeah |
| 19:40.01 | savant | heh, yeah. As son as you wall up the server, a mouse will make its home in the power supplky |
| 19:40.25 | savant | s/supply/supplky |
| 19:40.29 | Verxion | chouimat: This home builder does that for you |
| 19:40.38 | chouimat | hehe |
| 19:40.48 | Verxion | I have a wiring closet with all satellite, cable, phone, and ethernet wiring all terminating in one place |
| 19:41.33 | chouimat | Verxion: ethernet cable in the walls? |
| 19:41.37 | Verxion | funny thing is |
| 19:41.43 | Verxion | we won't be using ANY phone lines |
| 19:41.45 | Verxion | not one |
| 19:41.50 | Verxion | but the builder has to put them in |
| 19:42.04 | SirPsycho-work | it would make your home possibly hard to sell without phone lines |
| 19:42.05 | Verxion | chouimat: Yes, you make that sound as though ethernet cable should be in the ceiling |
| 19:42.05 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:42.23 | Verxion | sirpsycho: True, but my wife and I plan to be in this house for in excess of 30 years |
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| 19:42.35 | Verxion | by then I expect phone lines to be quite useless |
| 19:42.52 | ljp | you mean cat3 lines.. |
| 19:42.55 | hExML | we will have flying cars by that time |
| 19:42.56 | hExML | and robots |
| 19:43.00 | SirPsycho-work | heh.. not that wired phones are needed even now.. |
| 19:43.02 | treke | you could convert some ethernet runs into phones |
| 19:43.05 | kergoth | hhe |
| 19:43.09 | fdask | voip |
| 19:43.15 | Verxion | treke: We could indeed |
| 19:43.25 | kergoth | fdask: exactly |
| 19:43.30 | hExML | the home in the year 2000 will look a lot different than what you see today |
| 19:43.32 | Verxion | but we both use cells as our only phones |
| 19:43.34 | hExML | :o |
| 19:43.37 | kergoth | just drop in a linux box as a pbx, use voip for the phones around the house |
| 19:44.03 | Verxion | no need |
| 19:44.08 | chouimat | Verxion: when I wired my mother house I even put speaker cable in the walls |
| 19:44.11 | fdask | does the 5600 have a usb host adapter? |
| 19:44.35 | SirPsycho-work | Verxion: cell phone with bluetooth =) |
| 19:44.41 | Verxion | chouimat: Yes, we got speakers put in every room except the 4 bedrooms upstairs |
| 19:45.03 | Verxion | chouimat: Though in the family room and patio, we only had them pre-wire it since I already had speakers |
| 19:45.13 | chouimat | Verxion: look like a good house ... fiber? just in case :) |
| 19:45.28 | Verxion | chouimat: I didn't do fiber |
| 19:45.46 | Verxion | I figure by the time 1000bt is too slow, wireless will have picked up the slack |
| 19:45.47 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:45.47 | SirPsycho-work | fiber would be tough because the ends may change over time |
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| 19:46.42 | chouimat | ok back to the cleaning .... now I won't blow a fuse ... the vacuum cleaner is plug on another circuits ... the stove one |
| 19:46.52 | Verxion | chouimat: wait |
| 19:47.10 | Verxion | just as an fyi - in almost EVERY home, the garbage disposal is on its own 15 - 20 amp circuit |
| 19:47.17 | Verxion | if you ever get in a pinch, you can use that |
| 19:47.42 | ljp | yes, but is that disposal hooked up to the net?? |
| 19:47.51 | chouimat | Verxion: I'm in a very old appartment .... only 2 15 amps cirrcuits (the kitchen and the rest) |
| 19:47.52 | Verxion | ljp: Nope. :) |
| 19:48.07 | ljp | well, make it so! |
| 19:48.10 | Verxion | chouimat: Must be extremely old. :) |
| 19:48.28 | treke | Verxion: is official. you scare me :) |
| 19:48.35 | Verxion | official? |
| 19:48.48 | Verxion | treke: How do I scare you? |
| 19:48.53 | SirPsycho-work | heh.. in my apartment if we would run either the hair dryer or the microwave while i was using my computers all of them would go out.. least until i plugged my monitors into another plug.. |
| 19:49.04 | chouimat | Verxion: the house was build in 1920 ... they do some "renovation" about 5 years ago but they didn't done the electricity |
| 19:49.05 | treke | Verxion: building a server room with raised floor in your home :) |
| 19:49.11 | Verxion | treke: rofl |
| 19:49.16 | Verxion | treke: I work at Boeing |
| 19:49.20 | Verxion | our server room has a raised floor |
| 19:49.35 | Verxion | could you imagine having that at work and then having to do server wiring at home? |
| 19:49.42 | Verxion | WITHOUT a raised floor? |
| 19:49.45 | Verxion | it is nightmarish |
| 19:49.45 | kergoth | a server room with a raised floor in your house. thats badass. i gotta do that when i build a house |
| 19:49.46 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:49.46 | chouimat | well they did it but they only chaned the wires |
| 19:49.47 | treke | good point :) |
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| 19:50.18 | Verxion | treke: So did I stop scaring you? |
| 19:50.33 | Verxion | oh, speaking of scaring people |
| 19:50.33 | chouimat | ok bbl |
| 19:50.36 | Verxion | who saw X2? |
| 19:50.46 | treke | Verxion: not really |
| 19:50.53 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:51.01 | Verxion | (X-Men 2) |
| 19:51.02 | kergoth | i owe my mortgage company march, april, and may's payment |
| 19:51.08 | kergoth | and i have $750 in my account |
| 19:51.08 | chouimat | Verxion: just go see Celine Dion in vegas that would to the trick |
| 19:51.09 | Verxion | ljp: Why are you scared of Boeing employees? |
| 19:51.19 | kergoth | "Excuse me mr bill collector, could i pay you next month when i'm making more?" |
| 19:51.22 | chouimat | kergoth: OUCH |
| 19:51.27 | treke | kergoth: not necesarrily a problem |
| 19:51.32 | Verxion | kergoth: Tell them you will get back to them after TI starts paying you. :) |
| 19:51.40 | treke | kergoth: if your payments are only 250 bucks |
| 19:51.49 | kergoth | my payments are $900 |
| 19:51.52 | kergoth | .. |
| 19:51.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:51.58 | treke | ok. your fucked |
| 19:52.02 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:52.04 | ljp | ouch |
| 19:52.21 | chouimat | kergoth: just need to find 1950 $ |
| 19:52.22 | Verxion | kergoth: Sounds like it is a good thing you got the job at TI |
| 19:52.26 | kergoth | Verxion: indeed |
| 19:52.29 | treke | you may not have to worry about finding a renter for your condo after all |
| 19:52.31 | ljp | could be worse. could be employed by Lineo |
| 19:52.54 | Verxion | kergoth: But as to your problem - I have a friend that is quite the "realist" when it comes to such things. His response would undoubtedly be: |
| 19:52.59 | kergoth | oh, and i have to pay at least two of the months at once, or i get penalized for partial payment |
| 19:53.03 | chouimat | CAD == 0.718245 USD |
| 19:53.11 | Verxion | "Sounds like it is time to put on the skimpy clothes and go downtown" |
| 19:53.13 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:53.20 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:53.41 | kergoth | I'm definately in some deep shit though. I cant pay them a damn thing, I need the cash for the move |
| 19:53.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:53.56 | ljp | isnt TI helping you move? |
| 19:53.57 | Verxion | kergoth: it is a home though, right>? |
| 19:54.12 | kergoth | ljp: nope. they help permanent, not contract folks |
| 19:54.25 | ljp | bummer |
| 19:54.27 | kergoth | ljp: they did up my wage a bit to compensate, but that doesnt help me *now* |
| 19:54.31 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:54.39 | Verxion | kergoth: I got some serious tips for you if it is a house |
| 19:54.50 | ljp | well bill them for the two weeks you are already behind |
| 19:54.52 | kergoth | yep. townhouse anyway |
| 19:54.54 | Verxion | well, and if you are buying a home in Dallas that is |
| 19:55.03 | Verxion | or are you doing an apt.? |
| 19:55.08 | Verxion | (in Dallas) |
| 19:55.11 | kergoth | i'll buy a home there eventually, when i have money and when i've recovered my credit a bit |
| 19:55.16 | kergoth | its hurting due to the late payments |
| 19:55.18 | Verxion | ahh |
| 19:55.21 | ljp | TT's helping me relocate |
| 19:55.24 | Verxion | wel |
| 19:55.26 | kergoth | i've been in a bad spot since my roommate moved out |
| 19:55.26 | kergoth | :\ |
| 19:55.40 | Verxion | kergoth: Do you have any equity in your home? |
| 19:55.45 | Verxion | s/home/townhouse |
| 19:55.52 | kergoth | not much. I just bought it last .. august |
| 19:55.56 | Verxion | eek |
| 19:55.58 | kergoth | so its been mostly interest at this point |
| 19:56.11 | Verxion | 30 year conventional? |
| 19:56.17 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:56.24 | Verxion | yeah, pretty much nothing in the house then |
| 19:56.28 | Verxion | what about appraisal |
| 19:56.33 | Verxion | has its value gone up at all? |
| 19:56.49 | kergoth | I figure its going to take me a good 3 months or more to get back on my feet, pay off the bills, blah |
| 19:56.54 | kergoth | once i'm in tx that is |
| 19:56.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:56.57 | kergoth | not sure |
| 19:57.02 | Verxion | well |
| 19:57.07 | Verxion | not trying to pull your chain |
| 19:57.18 | ljp | well. dont ferget yer c'boy boots! |
| 19:57.20 | Verxion | but you may possibly be in worse than you are currently thinking |
| 19:57.32 | Verxion | if you end up hiring a realtor |
| 19:57.37 | Verxion | you will have to pay them 3% |
| 19:57.42 | Verxion | and regardless of whether you do or not |
| 19:57.49 | Verxion | you will need to pay the home buyer's realtor 3% |
| 19:58.02 | kergoth | my plan is |
| 19:58.12 | kergoth | talk my dad, who needs a place, into renting my current house |
| 19:58.23 | Verxion | that would rock kergoth |
| 19:58.33 | Verxion | rent it to him for $1950 a month |
| 19:58.34 | kergoth | then move down, live at a extended stay motel type place till i can get back paid up on the bills |
| 19:58.35 | Verxion | and yer set |
| 19:58.35 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:58.42 | kergoth | then get an apartment, and go from there |
| 19:58.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:59.00 | Verxion | why the motel vs. an apartment? |
| 19:59.18 | Verxion | you just like the room service? |
| 19:59.19 | kergoth | I have jack for up front cash to cover deposit and shit |
| 19:59.32 | Verxion | yeah |
| 19:59.32 | kergoth | so I need a place to stay while I get that going |
| 19:59.36 | kergoth | pain in the ass. |
| 19:59.36 | Verxion | hrm |
| 19:59.40 | Verxion | well |
| 19:59.46 | Verxion | sec |
| 19:59.48 | kergoth | oh, and a week after i start working there, i have to fly/drive my ass back up here for a wedding |
| 19:59.51 | kergoth | ! |
| 19:59.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:59.53 | treke | camp out on tim's couch :) |
| 20:00.17 | ljp | I get to camp out on some trolls couch till I find a place |
| 20:00.49 | kergoth | regardless i need to blow off these collectors until I get back on my feet |
| 20:00.52 | kergoth | brb, coffee |
| 20:00.53 | treke | if it's warwick, please kill him in his sleep :) |
| 20:01.07 | ljp | unless they move to take your townhouse |
| 20:01.21 | ljp | whats wrong with warwick? |
| 20:03.00 | Verxion | ok, back |
| 20:03.27 | treke | ljp: instant promotion for you :) |
| 20:03.47 | ljp | ya promotion to the death house |
| 20:03.53 | Verxion | kergoth: I know that here in AZ there are lots of apartments that have no first/last month rent requirements |
| 20:04.14 | Verxion | kergoth: I would find myself an apartment locator service and see what they can find for you - it won't cost you a DIME. |
| 20:04.24 | savant | Along those same lines, my landlady let me pay the deposit over the course of my first three months. Much easier that way. |
| 20:04.26 | ljp | thats arizona.. who wants to live there?!? |
| 20:04.33 | Verxion | ljp: Um, me? |
| 20:04.34 | Verxion | :) |
| 20:04.46 | Verxion | you ever been here? |
| 20:05.02 | ljp | yes |
| 20:05.21 | Verxion | what was so evil and wrong about it? |
| 20:05.27 | ljp | not enough ocean or mountains |
| 20:05.36 | Verxion | well |
| 20:05.53 | Verxion | but ya got me on the ocean bit |
| 20:05.53 | Verxion | :) |
| 20:06.00 | Verxion | we have some really large lakes mind you |
| 20:06.13 | ljp | you mean resauviors |
| 20:06.18 | ljp | heh spelling bad |
| 20:06.38 | Verxion | reservoirs? |
| 20:06.41 | Verxion | is that what you ment? |
| 20:06.42 | ljp | :) |
| 20:06.43 | Verxion | :) |
| 20:06.51 | ljp | I cant think today |
| 20:06.54 | Verxion | heh |
| 20:07.03 | kergoth | ibot: tuesday |
| 20:07.03 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday), or a day in which there are no meetings |
| 20:07.18 | Verxion | well, be they lakes or reservoirs, they are very large bodies of water |
| 20:07.25 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:07.28 | Verxion | NO MEETINGS TODAY? |
| 20:07.36 | kergoth | you know, i just remembered, again, that i havent done my taxes yet |
| 20:07.47 | kergoth | if they dont owe me, i'm in deepeer shit yet :) |
| 20:07.50 | kergoth | s/eer/er/ |
| 20:07.58 | Verxion | kergoth: Heh, well, um |
| 20:08.07 | Verxion | just in case you are as bad as I was before I got married |
| 20:08.08 | kergoth | can ya tell i suck at finance? |
| 20:08.11 | kergoth | i need quicken or something |
| 20:08.14 | ljp | kergoth: texas has no state income taxes |
| 20:08.20 | Verxion | if it has been a long time since you paid taxes |
| 20:08.23 | kergoth | ljp: yeah, i heard about that |
| 20:08.34 | Verxion | after a while, the govt. stops paying you for the return |
| 20:08.37 | Verxion | even if they owe you money |
| 20:08.54 | kergoth | Verxion: i file yearly, but this is the first year i've had to do something other than a 1040ez (due to the house), so i've been putting it off |
| 20:08.57 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:09.09 | Verxion | just before I got married, I went and had my taxes done for the previous 4 or 5 years |
| 20:09.10 | kergoth | damnit, i left my c700 power supply at home |
| 20:09.13 | ljp | heh just wait till you sell that house |
| 20:09.16 | Verxion | got a BUTTLOAD back |
| 20:09.24 | kergoth | hah, nice |
| 20:09.30 | Verxion | enough to buy a kickass engagement ring for the wife |
| 20:09.31 | Verxion | :) |
| 20:09.34 | Verxion | (fiance at the time() |
| 20:09.47 | ljp | and she bought your bribe? |
| 20:10.15 | ljp | figuratively |
| 20:10.20 | kergoth | Verxion: oh i remember my comment on getdone. the box to enable a 'checkbox' on an item doesnt do anything that i could tell |
| 20:10.21 | savant | no, I think he bought the bribe, and gave it to her... (: |
| 20:10.41 | savant | a bride bribe I spose |
| 20:10.44 | ljp | she had to accept it, no? |
| 20:10.57 | savant | no, she could except it |
| 20:11.05 | ljp | bought, as in, she succumbed to his ploy |
| 20:11.17 | savant | warning: fatal exception in bridal registry |
| 20:11.38 | savant | ljp: (of course, but the channel is dead enough to allow word games, no?) |
| 20:11.52 | Verxion | kergoth: I disabled it and forgot to disable the widget |
| 20:12.05 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 20:12.22 | Verxion | INTERESTING |
| 20:12.33 | Verxion | HSN just called me |
| 20:12.36 | Verxion | with an automated message |
| 20:12.50 | Verxion | they were telling everyone that bought the 5500's from them |
| 20:12.55 | Verxion | that they had a 1700ma battery |
| 20:13.00 | Verxion | (which I thought was odd at the time) |
| 20:13.11 | Verxion | and the message says it really only has a 950ma battery |
| 20:13.34 | Verxion | and to call them if I had any questions or concerns |
| 20:13.45 | ljp | demand your money back and keep the device |
| 20:13.56 | Verxion | ljp: That would be pretty damned rude |
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| 20:14.31 | ljp | they lied to you |
| 20:14.57 | Verxion | well, true |
| 20:15.08 | Verxion | but that shouldn't cause them to pay me 100% of my money back |
| 20:15.11 | fdask | can u recharge the 5500 battery while using the unit? |
| 20:15.20 | Verxion | fdask: Yup |
| 20:15.29 | Verxion | ljp: I was gonna see if they would send me a spare battery |
| 20:15.51 | kergoth | yeah thats what id do. ask for another battery |
| 20:16.00 | Verxion | it seems a reasonable thing |
| 20:16.02 | fdask | is it bad for the battery to recharge without completely draining first? |
| 20:16.09 | Verxion | fdask: Nope |
| 20:16.09 | kergoth | nope |
| 20:16.35 | fdask | has anyone built or bought one of those battery packs that uses AA's? |
| 20:16.48 | Verxion | a AA battery pack? |
| 20:16.51 | Verxion | that would be huge |
| 20:17.14 | tboc | btw. do i have to consider sth. when switching from the stable feed to unstable? is the feed usable atm? |
| 20:17.36 | kergoth | ipkg in unstable sucks more than usual |
| 20:17.42 | tboc | :| |
| 20:17.43 | fdask | i read on a zaurus forum that its possible to build (or buy on ebay) a battery pack into which u stick a couple maybe 4, AA's and it'll power the Zaurus for awhile |
| 20:19.18 | tboc | fdask: should work fine with a low drop power regulator |
| 20:20.28 | tboc | kergoth: any idea how long it'll take to fix ipkg so that it's finally usable? |
| 20:20.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:20.49 | kergoth | i dont maintain ipkg |
| 20:20.50 | kergoth | dont ask me |
| 20:21.10 | tboc | who does? *eg* |
| 20:21.20 | kergoth | jamey hicks, at cambridge research lab |
| 20:21.21 | kergoth | labs |
| 20:21.29 | tboc | ic |
| 20:21.33 | kergoth | ibot: jamey |
| 20:21.33 | | somebody said jamey was "Jamey Hicks, that's Dr. Hicks to you. or http://crl.research.compaq.com/who/people/jamey/bio.htm or available now in icon form: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/jameyico.png", or http://www.handhelds.org/~jamey/ |
| 20:21.40 | Verxion | I thought jamey was with HP |
| 20:22.39 | kergoth | "The Cambridge Research Lab is HP's primary U.S. east coast research site. We are located in Cambridge Massachusetts near M.I.T. and Harvard." |
| 20:22.42 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:22.51 | Verxion | ahhh |
| 20:23.01 | Verxion | :) |
| 20:23.39 | Verxion | HSN offered $15 |
| 20:23.40 | Verxion | then $25 |
| 20:23.47 | Verxion | now they are talking to their supervisor |
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| 20:28.06 | Verxion | rofl |
| 20:28.11 | Verxion | $25 was their "final offer" |
| 20:28.30 | Verxion | heh |
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| 20:51.18 | kergoth | hey neo |
| 20:51.31 | treke | I dont think that's neo |
| 20:51.42 | treke | I think thats his shitty cable modem coming back to life |
| 20:52.09 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:52.11 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:52.35 | Verxion | rastaman has a kid? |
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| 20:53.41 | kergoth | rasta!=raster |
| 20:53.43 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:54.03 | Verxion | oh |
| 20:54.05 | Verxion | duh! |
| 20:54.16 | kergoth | ibot: seen raster |
| 20:54.16 | | raster <~raster@203.206.217.82> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 6d 17h 47m 2s ago, saying: 'lunch'. |
| 20:54.24 | Verxion | long lunch eh? |
| 20:54.24 | Verxion | :) |
| 20:54.31 | kergoth | apparently |
| 20:54.34 | Verxion | heh |
| 20:54.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:55.09 | tboc | btw. i guess it's a known bug that 'today' starts when i want to suspend the Z? |
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| 20:55.45 | kergoth | no, today is starting because your Z is 'returning' from suspend |
| 20:55.53 | kergoth | the bug is that it isnt actually suspending |
| 20:55.56 | treke | sweet. power just went out |
| 20:56.00 | kergoth | today starting is just a consequence of it |
| 20:56.12 | treke | thank god I have a ups next to my desk |
| 20:56.12 | tboc | kergoth: that's what i would've asked next *g* |
| 20:56.17 | treke | too bad nothing was plugged into it |
| 20:56.26 | Verxion | treke: heh |
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| 20:56.37 | tboc | kergoth: so is the suspend-bug fixed in unstable? |
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| 20:59.19 | kergoth | tboc: I didnt know such a bug existed until you just told me |
| 20:59.23 | kergoth | tboc: so who knows |
| 20:59.26 | tboc | 8) |
| 20:59.30 | kergoth | heh |
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| 21:00.21 | tboc | kergoth: its just a little annoying trying to find the right 'combo' to suspend the Z ;) |
| 21:01.00 | kergoth | does it suspend when calling apm -s manually? |
| 21:01.06 | kergoth | icefox: still havent received it |
| 21:01.06 | tboc | kergoth: mom |
| 21:01.26 | treke | how did he ship that thing? |
| 21:01.31 | treke | should be there by now |
| 21:02.08 | tboc | kergoth: nope, but neither does today start |
| 21:02.26 | tboc | kergoth: oh, _now_ it suspended |
| 21:03.22 | tboc | takes about 30sec |
| 21:03.26 | treke | yummmm.. iqnotes in buildroot |
| 21:04.51 | Verxion | yay! |
| 21:05.13 | Verxion | it was getting boring doing all the text parsing |
| 21:05.15 | Verxion | bleh |
| 21:08.47 | djr|w | cool... just went to office depot today and bought the stylus in a two pack |
| 21:08.55 | djr|w | cause the end cap broke off my other one |
| 21:09.51 | Verxion | weird |
| 21:09.55 | Verxion | it has plastic on both ends |
| 21:09.58 | Verxion | and metal in between |
| 21:10.00 | kergoth | i broke both of mine |
| 21:10.07 | kergoth | the one i got with the 5500, and the one i got with the c700 |
| 21:10.17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:10.33 | phoen][x | kergoth: how does one break a stylus? |
| 21:10.43 | treke | lost a shit load of them |
| 21:10.47 | treke | but never lost |
| 21:10.54 | Verxion | s/lost/broken |
| 21:10.55 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:10.57 | kergoth | phoen][x: drop it onto a hard surfac |
| 21:11.16 | Verxion | treke: "lost a shit load of them. but never lost" |
| 21:11.17 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:11.23 | treke | hehe :) |
| 21:11.32 | treke | by shit load I mean 2 :) |
| 21:11.36 | Verxion | ahh |
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| 21:11.41 | Verxion | but you never lost them |
| 21:11.43 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:11.48 | treke | never broken. Lost 2 |
| 21:11.49 | phoen][x | kergoth: the whole Z or the stylus only? |
| 21:12.03 | Verxion | or else as braindead at the moment as Verxion |
| 21:12.04 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:12.14 | treke | very likely the latter |
| 21:12.15 | kergoth | ibot: tuesday |
| 21:12.20 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday), or a day in which there are no meetings |
| 21:12.20 | Verxion | heh |
| 21:12.21 | Verxion | ibot: monday |
| 21:12.22 | | it has been said that monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon |
| 21:12.44 | djr|w | hehe, for mine to break... i jsut went to slide it out of the Z... and the end plastic piece broke off |
| 21:12.51 | Verxion | ibot: monday is also a day requiring the use of large amounts of drugs |
| 21:12.52 | | Verxion: okay |
| 21:12.52 | kergoth | i havent taken a single support call yet today |
| 21:12.54 | kergoth | yay for slacking |
| 21:12.56 | Verxion | ibot: monday |
| 21:12.57 | | monday is probably when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon, or a day requiring the use of large amounts of drugs |
| 21:13.00 | Verxion | rofl |
| 21:14.35 | Verxion | ibot: kergoth |
| 21:14.36 | | hmm... kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 21:14.51 | treke | well one of them |
| 21:16.50 | phoen][x | well one of them |
| 21:16.59 | ljp | hehehe |
| 21:17.19 | kergoth | ~fishslap Verxion |
| 21:17.20 | | ACTION slaps Verxion up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:17.21 | Verxion | heh |
| 21:17.26 | Verxion | lart kergoth |
| 21:17.30 | Verxion | ibot: lart kergoth |
| 21:18.06 | kergoth | shit man, you had me worried, i was about to dump the schpiel about how you should go through official support channels, not calling my ass directly |
| 21:18.10 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:18.39 | Verxion | kergoth: rofl - I -*NEVER*- use official support channels |
| 21:18.46 | Verxion | I would probably need a serial number or something |
| 21:18.47 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:18.49 | kergoth | my tv is all the way downstairs. and i'm lazy. |
| 21:18.52 | kergoth | i dont watch much tv |
| 21:18.53 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:19.09 | Verxion | 'course, I could probably have generated a serial number if I had to |
| 21:19.10 | jshare | that universal adapter commercial is the best commercial ever |
| 21:19.17 | jshare | "Does it work in Europe?" |
| 21:19.18 | Verxion | jshare: Kergoth hadn't ever seen it |
| 21:19.26 | Verxion | I had this GREAT joke all planned out |
| 21:19.30 | Verxion | and it was wasted on him |
| 21:19.32 | jshare | I have Tivo, and I still watch all the IBM commercials |
| 21:19.32 | Verxion | :( |
| 21:19.39 | Verxion | jshare: Me too! |
| 21:19.43 | Verxion | I make my wife rewind them |
| 21:19.44 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:19.44 | treke | ibm commercials rock |
| 21:19.58 | kergoth | well damnit, now i need to see this commercial |
| 21:20.04 | Verxion | treke: I called kergoth on the phone |
| 21:20.05 | jshare | The pixie dust one is hilarious too |
| 21:20.12 | treke | Verxion: hehe |
| 21:20.16 | Verxion | and I told him I was having trouble connecting my digiboard to an IBM universal adapter |
| 21:20.22 | Verxion | he hadn't seen the commercial though |
| 21:20.24 | Verxion | so I had to explain it |
| 21:20.25 | Verxion | :( |
| 21:20.27 | ljp | hahaha |
| 21:20.29 | jshare | lol |
| 21:20.40 | Verxion | ljp: It would have been STUNNINGLY hilarious if he had seen the commercial |
| 21:20.51 | Verxion | but it was utterly without merit |
| 21:20.51 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:21.06 | Verxion | my MAIN worry in calling him |
| 21:21.11 | Verxion | was that if he HAD seen the commercial |
| 21:21.23 | Verxion | I figured I would end up laughing too hard to actually be at my desk here at work |
| 21:21.32 | Verxion | so I guess it worked out ok after all |
| 21:21.32 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:21.50 | Verxion | I was intending to play dumb and say I truly had bought an IBM universal adapter |
| 21:22.16 | ljp | but it backfired |
| 21:22.17 | Verxion | and that I was plugging the digiboard into my video card with it |
| 21:22.20 | Verxion | yes it sure did |
| 21:22.24 | treke | I guess you just had to be there |
| 21:22.28 | Verxion | treke: Yup |
| 21:22.28 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:22.36 | Verxion | I'll tell you though |
| 21:22.50 | Verxion | I couldn't hear the IRC keys typing at ALL when kergoth was on the phone |
| 21:22.54 | Verxion | so he has it down to a science |
| 21:22.55 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:23.01 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:23.15 | Verxion | actually - he wasn't typing anything at the time |
| 21:23.19 | Verxion | on this channel anyway |
| 21:23.20 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:23.20 | ljp | he's a shell script |
| 21:23.26 | Verxion | no - I talked to him |
| 21:23.33 | Verxion | either he passes the turing test |
| 21:23.37 | ljp | no you didnt |
| 21:23.37 | Verxion | or he is no shell script |
| 21:23.37 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:23.42 | ljp | that was a shell script |
| 21:23.52 | Verxion | damn |
| 21:23.53 | treke | his replacement will be a very small shell script though |
| 21:23.59 | Verxion | treke: rofl |
| 21:24.01 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:24.04 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:24.07 | ljp | little does TI know they hired a shell script |
| 21:24.10 | Verxion | heh |
| 21:24.44 | Verxion | treke: Have you seen the IBM commercials? |
| 21:29.03 | Verxion | bah |
| 21:29.23 | Verxion | :( |
| 21:32.19 | fdask | anyone know if the TRENDnet TEW-222CF wifi card works with the zaurus? |
| 21:32.41 | yeiazel | what chip does it have ? |
| 21:32.51 | fdask | not sure |
| 21:34.54 | yeiazel | don't find... no idea... |
| 21:36.21 | ljp | it has an electronical chip |
| 21:38.06 | ljp | well, its true |
| 21:38.10 | ljp | ;) |
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| 21:39.05 | byteme- | i can't find my /dev/sharp_buz device, am i not supposed to have it? |
| 21:40.12 | kergoth | uh, you should have it. |
| 21:41.28 | byteme- | i dont though |
| 21:41.38 | kergoth | why'd you remove it then? |
| 21:41.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:41.53 | byteme- | :( i didn't remove it |
| 21:43.00 | byteme- | how can i get it back? |
| 21:52.57 | Pendalar | haha one of my friends ported a IRCd to zaurus |
| 21:53.10 | Pendalar | and cpio |
| 21:55.50 | Pendalar | haha and 2 root exploits |
| 21:55.57 | Pendalar | sicko ;-) |
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| 22:00.03 | sony | does the intellisync software work with openzaurus? |
| 22:00.07 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:00.16 | kergoth | which i believe, is one of the first faqs in th eopenzaurus.org faq system |
| 22:00.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:00.19 | sony | no extra tuning needed? |
| 22:00.22 | Pendalar | he's porting bahamut ircd if anyone cares and IRCD Hybrid |
| 22:00.22 | kergoth | read the faq |
| 22:00.40 | sony | am doing so now, bbl |
| 22:04.39 | Pendalar | kergoth is cpio any use in the ipk game? |
| 22:05.22 | kergoth | not really, its needed for rpm, not ipk/deb |
| 22:05.51 | Pendalar | ok |
| 22:05.58 | Pendalar | some people use it for backing up etc |
| 22:06.16 | kergoth | yeah. i dont include it in my busybox builds for oz, i dont think |
| 22:06.44 | sony | when syncing -> i should have a separate connection in "Network Connections" in windows explorer for the zaurus? |
| 22:06.54 | kergoth | yep |
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| 22:07.21 | Pendalar | nope, you should |
| 22:07.32 | sony | how do i make one if i havent |
| 22:07.35 | Pendalar | but I'm trying to get him to put a lil more effort and .ipk it |
| 22:10.14 | sony | is there an installation error if i do not get a connection icon in "Network Connections" for the zaurus? |
| 22:10.27 | kergoth | sony: check device manager |
| 22:10.36 | kergoth | sony: is there an item with a question mark? |
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| 22:15.43 | sony | hmm... right on |
| 22:17.45 | sony | looks right now, except i clicked away an alert box while typing here, grr... stupid win focus settings |
| 22:17.47 | sony | thanks for help |
| 22:24.22 | Pendalar | kergoth a friend got a zaurus yesterday and keeps wanting outlook sync'ing |
| 22:24.32 | Pendalar | I see nothing on this, or why he'd want to |
| 22:24.51 | kergoth | intellisync syncs with outlook |
| 22:24.54 | kergoth | works alright |
| 22:25.04 | Pendalar | but nothing for a direct? |
| 22:25.13 | kergoth | define direct |
| 22:25.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:25.30 | Pendalar | like a plugin etc for outlook |
| 22:25.32 | Pendalar | I guess |
| 22:26.20 | kergoth | only way i know of is intellisync |
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| 22:26.56 | Pendalar | ok he'll have to live with it I guess if he wants to use the crap |
| 22:27.18 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 22:28.02 | Pendalar | he wants to build a kernel with x.509 cert support with ipsec |
| 22:28.58 | treke | outlook doesnt sync with anything directly |
| 22:29.35 | Pendalar | I wouldn't know, but knowing him he'd make a plugin or something |
| 22:30.08 | Pendalar | when he thought to get one he asked 'does it run bitchx' "yes" 'ok I'll go grab one' |
| 22:30.29 | Pendalar | the whole reason for having it =-/ just so he can have bitchx in his pocket |
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| 22:30.38 | Pendalar | anyways, thanks for the advice, bbl |
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| 22:33.14 | chouimat | guys I think I just found the perfect beer .... the ambrosia of the greek gods |
| 22:33.23 | treke | ? |
| 22:34.18 | treke | "choiumat: it's called Budweiser" |
| 22:34.25 | chouimat | treke: De koningshoeven La Trappe Quadrupel .... 10% of alchool |
| 22:34.49 | chouimat | treke: nice little fruit aroma and taste |
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| 22:49.51 | mewyn` | but it wasn't left blank!!! |
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| 23:02.57 | `Leaves | hmmm... what does just the mail light on when you flash the zaurus mean? |
| 23:03.05 | `Leaves | instead of both lights |
| 23:03.49 | kergoth | power light state is irrelevent |
| 23:03.53 | kergoth | only indicates charging |
| 23:03.59 | kergoth | the real status indicator is mail, which indicates flashing |
| 23:04.13 | kergoth | just happens that you flash on AC, and most people dont have the battery fully charged, so you see both |
| 23:06.21 | hardwire | hi |
| 23:06.41 | hardwire | this is the first laptop I have ever bought |
| 23:09.26 | `Leaves | oh wierd. everytime I've flashed I've seen it, and not this time. Must be flashing fine then. |
| 23:09.28 | ljp | hey hardwire |
| 23:10.15 | kergoth | `Leaves: yep, you flashed with a full battery for once |
| 23:10.17 | kergoth | `Leaves: :) |
| 23:10.33 | `Leaves | kergoth: nice :) strange since I had it on today. |
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| 23:17.21 | kergoth | hardwire: nice |
| 23:18.39 | `Leaves | laptops rock |
| 23:24.38 | treke | hrm. this isnt a good sign |
| 23:24.47 | treke | glibc2.2.4 probably wont work :) |
| 23:25.06 | ljp | well, kick its ass till it does! |
| 23:25.21 | treke | kergoth: do I need to build libc? |
| 23:25.25 | kergoth | uh yeah, gcc3 doesnt like glibc 2.2.4 much :) |
| 23:25.29 | kergoth | for a toolchain build? yeah |
| 23:25.35 | kergoth | you cant complete the gcc second pass without it |
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| 23:25.56 | treke | never build gcc before :) |
| 23:30.49 | kergoth | oh damn |
| 23:31.01 | kergoth | i didnt realize alt-q -> alt-p reference the 10-20 windows in irssi |
| 23:31.07 | kergoth | no more mistyping /win for me |
| 23:33.00 | djr|w | haha |
| 23:33.03 | djr|w | =) |
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| 23:39.17 | ivan | crap, sharp makes the lcd screen for the dell axim |
| 23:42.10 | Neo|Work | "crap"? |
| 23:43.50 | treke | ivan: so? |
| 23:44.02 | treke | sharp makes a lot of stuff |
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| 23:46.19 | ljp | sharp makes good screens |
| 23:50.47 | treke | ivan: sharp makes many different models of LCD screens. The Axim screen is supposed to be very nice, so Dell obviously bought one of the nice models |
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