| 00:00.16 | fliplap | good call |
| 00:00.32 | fliplap | i'm hardly productive with my Z, spend too much time playing w/ it |
| 00:01.38 | ivan | the pockettop IR keyboard should r0x0r |
| 00:05.23 | fliplap | heh, i wonder, if OZ runs on the iPaq, i wonder if PPC would run on the Z |
| 00:06.10 | ivan | i don't think pocket pc has source available |
| 00:06.21 | fliplap | actually it does |
| 00:06.34 | ivan | i thought it was just wince |
| 00:06.38 | fliplap | it is |
| 00:06.46 | ivan | pocket pc > wince |
| 00:06.57 | fliplap | you wouldn't be able to use it legally but you can get it using microsoft's shared source program |
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| 00:11.35 | ivan | wow, palms can run for weeks on a single battery charge? |
| 00:12.06 | ivan | at least the ancient ones |
| 00:12.22 | fliplap | yeah, i wouldn't change my PalmVx for weeks at a time |
| 00:12.33 | _Psycho | yeah then you have a black and white screen almost unreadable, and all you can do is enter some data |
| 00:12.53 | fliplap | _Psycho: bad troll, bad |
| 00:12.58 | fliplap | back under your bridge |
| 00:13.02 | treke | fliplap: OZ doesnt run on the ipaq |
| 00:13.03 | _Psycho | ! |
| 00:13.10 | _Psycho | i thought it was ;) |
| 00:13.16 | fliplap | treke: gotcha |
| 00:13.33 | treke | OE/ipaq runs on the ipaq :) |
| 00:13.56 | fliplap | _Psycho: PalmOS outdoes the zaurus platform on a couple levels, not the least of which being avantgo |
| 00:14.01 | fliplap | man i miss avantgo |
| 00:14.16 | _Psycho | depend of your need |
| 00:14.26 | _Psycho | and its just software |
| 00:14.32 | _Psycho | software can be made, hardware doesnt improve |
| 00:14.35 | fliplap | i'm suprised no one has made an avantgo clone yet |
| 00:14.54 | fliplap | _Psycho: thats the problem, the software isn't made. |
| 00:14.54 | treke | protocal has probably changed significantly since the last released code |
| 00:15.01 | treke | so make it |
| 00:15.17 | fliplap | i do, but there's only so much one person can do |
| 00:15.41 | fliplap | don't get me wrong, I like my Z, if i didn't i would sell it and go back to PalmOS |
| 00:16.17 | fliplap | treke: suck, does MAL sync still work? |
| 00:16.31 | treke | dont know. Havent used it in a couple years |
| 00:16.36 | fliplap | me neither |
| 00:17.01 | fliplap | looks like it hasn't been updaed in that long either |
| 00:18.50 | ivan | anyone know if dell axim X5 advanced uses the PX-255 or PX-250? |
| 00:20.15 | treke | fliplap: actually looks like it has been updated recently |
| 00:20.38 | treke | fliplap: recently enough that debian testing and unstable have different versions |
| 00:20.44 | fliplap | yeah, i'm reading it now |
| 00:24.41 | fliplap | i wonder how hard it would be to decode the avantgo format |
| 00:24.55 | ivan | like cracking random sattelite noise |
| 00:25.03 | fliplap | that bad huh? |
| 00:25.19 | treke | if malsync works, it probably has the up to date file format info |
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| 00:26.37 | fliplap | i was under the impression all malsync does is get the info from the avantgo servers, and transfer it to the Palm, not doing any actually decoding |
| 00:27.04 | aveng0 | _Psycho: hey |
| 00:27.13 | _Psycho | yo |
| 00:27.24 | aveng0 | _Psycho: what's up? |
| 00:28.02 | treke | fliplap: dont think it was anything special |
| 00:28.04 | aveng0 | so when you ordered from conics.net, what did you do? |
| 00:28.21 | fliplap | sigh |
| 00:28.31 | _Psycho | not much playing EQ atm |
| 00:28.40 | aveng0 | ah |
| 00:29.00 | _Psycho | emailed the guys, he gave me bank info, when to the bank, i did an internation wire to him, then he send me the unit once the backorder was over |
| 00:29.08 | fliplap | i'm suprised there's no projects that are working on it |
| 00:29.23 | fliplap | if there are, i can't find them |
| 00:29.26 | aveng0 | how long did it take? how can you be sure he'll actually send you the item? |
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| 00:30.23 | yebyen | anyone use Qtopia desktop? it doesn't seem to want to synchronize feeds... |
| 00:30.37 | yebyen | Network operation (get) failed for url: http://openzaurus.org/official/stable/feed/Packages <--- I get those messages... I can actually wget that url though, HEH |
| 00:31.01 | ivan | the IR keyboard is only $74 here: http://www.thepocketsolution.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PSI-066&Category_Code=DA&Product_Count=8 |
| 00:31.52 | treke | qtopia desktop and oz's ipkg dont get along |
| 00:32.17 | yebyen | treke: oh... well it doesn't actually work with the qtopia feed either |
| 00:32.20 | treke | qtopia desktop actually should be avoided as much as possible |
| 00:32.38 | yebyen | treke: what's better? :X |
| 00:33.36 | aveng0 | _Psycho: eh |
| 00:34.07 | treke | yebyen: there isnt much else available |
| 00:34.21 | yebyen | treke: oh, that's not cool |
| 00:34.21 | _Psycho | 4 days for the bank wire, 1 week backorder, 3 when he mailed it |
| 00:35.19 | aveng0 | ah ok.. what happens if you never get the thing? |
| 00:35.29 | fliplap | Mazingo looks ok, anyone used it? |
| 00:36.03 | sharpie | it's ok, but I wish we had avantgo |
| 00:36.10 | fliplap | ditto |
| 00:36.24 | fliplap | i used avantgo everyday on my Palm |
| 00:36.26 | _Psycho | aveng0 you cry, no idea |
| 00:36.27 | sharpie | it spews html pages all over your documents tab |
| 00:36.30 | aveng0 | haha |
| 00:36.31 | aveng0 | ok |
| 00:36.41 | fliplap | i never use the documents tab anyway |
| 00:36.51 | aveng0 | I may get the sharp H1W laptop |
| 00:37.33 | sharpie | haven't seen that one |
| 00:37.49 | fliplap | that thing is sweet |
| 00:37.58 | fliplap | tho i really like the Panasonic R1 |
| 00:38.10 | fliplap | its almost the same size, but the case is magnisium |
| 00:38.14 | aveng0 | yeah. they are both nice :) |
| 00:38.30 | aveng0 | i sort of want a crusoe processor |
| 00:39.55 | fliplap | yeah |
| 00:41.09 | fliplap | suck mazingo doesn't run under wine |
| 00:42.02 | yebyen | so, hm. |
| 00:42.36 | yebyen | is there a serious limit to how many times you can flash a zaurus? :) |
| 00:43.09 | absentia2 | 10,000+ ? |
| 00:43.27 | yebyen | oh, then I should be good. |
| 00:43.27 | yebyen | HEH |
| 00:43.48 | absentia2 | I flash somtimes 5 times a night |
| 00:44.29 | yebyen | i try and limit myself to twice a week |
| 00:44.29 | yebyen | HEH |
| 00:44.34 | sharpie | is the trenchcoat required for flashing? |
| 00:44.49 | yebyen | sharpie: probably not, because I don't know what you're talking about :) |
| 00:44.50 | absentia2 | :-> |
| 00:45.54 | sharpie | sorry, inside joke |
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| 00:47.36 | mutexer | warmi: thats awesome |
| 00:47.48 | warmi | heh |
| 00:48.02 | mutexer | hows you do the explosions? |
| 00:48.08 | warmi | well, hopefully it will be out in couple of weeks |
| 00:48.15 | mutexer | programatically or with a sprite animation? |
| 00:48.19 | warmi | mutexer : particles + alpha blits |
| 00:48.42 | warmi | basically I break up actual spire image and throw little pieces of it in the air |
| 00:48.48 | warmi | I will release the source code |
| 00:48.49 | absentia2 | ? |
| 00:48.50 | mutexer | ah |
| 00:48.52 | absentia2 | to what ? |
| 00:48.58 | mutexer | thats what I figured you did |
| 00:49.09 | sharpie | cool, can't wait to see it |
| 00:49.18 | sharpie | are you guys using zsurface? |
| 00:49.24 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/zraid/game.avi |
| 00:49.31 | warmi | there is a short movie of it |
| 00:49.41 | absentia2 | ah |
| 00:50.54 | warmi | sharpie yeah .. ZSurface on the zaurus |
| 00:51.42 | sharpie | excellent. |
| 00:51.50 | mewyn` | hey warmi |
| 00:51.52 | mewyn` | no mail yet |
| 00:53.06 | warmi | mewyn: yeah, I figured |
| 00:54.17 | sharpie | warmi: have you figured out a better event handler than QTimer or do you find that it is sufficient? |
| 00:54.29 | warmi | mewyn: well, I will keep bothering him |
| 00:54.47 | mewyn` | cool |
| 00:55.03 | mewyn` | i got promoted at the college |
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| 00:55.20 | warmi | sharpie : sufficient most of the time - my game runs at 40 fps so QTimer will do just fine |
| 00:55.29 | warmi | mewyn : ?? |
| 00:55.30 | warmi | with better pay ? |
| 00:56.17 | mewyn` | yah, 45 cents more an hour |
| 00:56.27 | mewyn` | whopping :) |
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| 00:57.11 | Zxcvb | is there anything to let you get the weather for the zaurus? |
| 00:57.13 | warmi | heh .. yeah, that's not earth shattering amount |
| 00:57.16 | Zxcvb | something like an avantgo clone? |
| 00:57.28 | Zxcvb | it would have to support on-device syncing |
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| 00:58.37 | mewyn` | well, we are also getting a general raise, wich brings it up to a 1.10 |
| 00:59.02 | warmi | that's better |
| 00:59.17 | absentia2 | to ? |
| 01:00.32 | sharpie | Zxcvb: linux has something called malsync. That might make a good porting project to the Z for someone. |
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| 01:03.22 | Neo|Work | warmi: encoded the ovie to a decent size yet? :) |
| 01:04.26 | warmi | yeah, I have another one - this one using divx and therefore much smaller size (764k) but also much shorter movie |
| 01:04.35 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/zraid/game.avi |
| 01:04.50 | warmi | the original was encoded using some weird codec |
| 01:05.02 | Neo|Work | 4493 packets transmitted, 637 packets received, 85% packet loss |
| 01:05.03 | warmi | I am learning hehe |
| 01:05.06 | Neo|Work | gotta love my cable connection |
| 01:05.16 | fliplap | no i don't |
| 01:05.20 | fliplap | ;-) |
| 01:05.28 | fliplap | mine used to be like that in the summer |
| 01:05.31 | Neo|Work | neither do I, at the moment |
| 01:05.41 | Neo|Work | been down many hours today |
| 01:05.43 | fliplap | i would start getting serious packet loss when it got hot |
| 01:06.06 | Neo|Work | ah, this is not packet loss |
| 01:06.10 | Neo|Work | this is complete downtime |
| 01:06.17 | Neo|Work | boolean operation either its working or it's not |
| 01:06.34 | Neo|Work | the last 4493 seconds it worked 15% of the time |
| 01:06.49 | fliplap | ouch |
| 01:06.59 | fliplap | do you have a landline backup connection> |
| 01:07.27 | Neo|Work | no |
| 01:07.54 | Neo|Work | I was going to get a DSL as well but decided that it was good enough (I went from DSL to cable) |
| 01:08.50 | fliplap | wish i had space on my desk for a 3rd monitor |
| 01:09.00 | fliplap | yeah, DSL is pricey |
| 01:09.03 | absentia2 | I don't have spance on my desk for 1 |
| 01:09.06 | absentia2 | I need to get a lcd |
| 01:09.21 | warmi | fliplap : $80 per month for 1.44 K x768 is not pricey :-) |
| 01:09.26 | fliplap | i have 2 CRTs on mine right now, and a Shuttle case |
| 01:09.37 | absentia2 | not bad |
| 01:09.40 | absentia2 | price |
| 01:09.48 | fliplap | marvi: $40 month for 3.2x384 is less pricey :-) |
| 01:09.56 | fliplap | 3.2mbit that is |
| 01:10.12 | warmi | fliplap :well, yeah but cable has its own set of problems |
| 01:10.17 | absentia2 | I have phone, cable and internet for $134 |
| 01:10.18 | warmi | DSL is generally more stable |
| 01:10.23 | fliplap | which is what i pay for cable, tho a higher upload cap would be nice |
| 01:10.25 | absentia2 | 150K/sec download 20K/sec upoad |
| 01:10.30 | absentia2 | never goes down |
| 01:10.31 | absentia2 | always fast |
| 01:10.37 | fliplap | that is true, mine has been stable tho |
| 01:10.43 | fliplap | ever since i replaced the splitter |
| 01:10.50 | absentia2 | you need a tap |
| 01:11.00 | absentia2 | splitters don't work as well |
| 01:11.07 | fliplap | works fine now |
| 01:11.11 | absentia2 | I tried the same |
| 01:11.15 | absentia2 | cause the damn tech took my tap |
| 01:11.17 | absentia2 | damn thief! |
| 01:11.21 | fliplap | i pull ~350k a second down |
| 01:11.23 | mutexer | warmi: ever play super pills on pocketPC? |
| 01:11.30 | absentia2 | kb |
| 01:11.33 | absentia2 | I'm taking KB |
| 01:11.40 | fliplap | tho for huge downloads i do it at school |
| 01:11.57 | fliplap | on my laptop on the wireless, i do ~600 there |
| 01:12.10 | absentia2 | bytes? |
| 01:12.11 | absentia2 | not bites? |
| 01:12.13 | absentia2 | bits? |
| 01:12.13 | warmi | mutexer : I have heard about that game but no , I have never tried it |
| 01:12.19 | fliplap | yes, bytes |
| 01:12.25 | fliplap | kilobytes |
| 01:12.26 | absentia2 | that's pretty damn good |
| 01:12.33 | fliplap | that it is |
| 01:12.54 | fliplap | if i need an ISO of a linux distro i pull from our internet2 connection |
| 01:13.06 | absentia2 | nice |
| 01:13.15 | fliplap | mmm 100mbit |
| 01:13.19 | mutexer | warmi: its horribly flawed |
| 01:13.38 | mutexer | some of the pills will appear inside other pills.. some wont full delete |
| 01:13.39 | warmi | in what sense ? |
| 01:13.59 | mutexer | when you try to rotate the pill. itll jump to the otherside of the screen sometimes |
| 01:14.03 | warmi | well, I have seen my share of crappy games on PPC devices |
| 01:14.17 | mutexer | and rotating the pull is very hard since it spins oddly |
| 01:14.33 | warmi | you are checking PPC games ? |
| 01:14.35 | mutexer | it would be excellent without those bugs... its like they didnt test it |
| 01:14.37 | warmi | out |
| 01:14.39 | warmi | heh |
| 01:14.48 | mutexer | I downloaded some classics to play |
| 01:15.06 | mutexer | dr mario clone, space invaders clone, and scorched earth clone |
| 01:15.19 | mutexer | I was browsing the games on gapidraw site |
| 01:15.20 | warmi | yeah, I recently bought another River Raid to check out how it compares to mine .. |
| 01:15.23 | warmi | uh .... |
| 01:15.25 | absentia2 | ya |
| 01:15.38 | absentia2 | we need to get an xmame for oz 3.3.1 gcc3 asap :-> |
| 01:15.43 | warmi | it was so bad .. man , I wasted $10 |
| 01:15.50 | mutexer | the scorched earth clone is really cool.. but buggy.. so I probably wont buy it |
| 01:15.53 | warmi | must have been written in VBE or something |
| 01:15.55 | fliplap | is xmame playable on the Z? |
| 01:15.57 | absentia2 | looks dinky |
| 01:15.59 | fliplap | zmame rather |
| 01:16.06 | absentia2 | I heard it was slow |
| 01:16.07 | absentia2 | 10fps |
| 01:16.11 | absentia2 | which seems sad |
| 01:16.11 | mutexer | ugh.. VBE |
| 01:16.24 | fliplap | yeah, i get 22fps max on the zFceu |
| 01:16.34 | fliplap | which is slow |
| 01:16.45 | absentia2 | I can't figure out where 400mhz goes |
| 01:16.56 | absentia2 | old 1mhz machines use to do 60 fps |
| 01:17.05 | absentia2 | now 400 mhz can't do even more than 20? |
| 01:17.22 | mutexer | cause your emulating |
| 01:18.06 | mutexer | zmame does suck.. contra was not playable |
| 01:18.13 | warmi | absentia : you are emulating more than just CPU |
| 01:18.13 | absentia2 | :-< |
| 01:18.23 | absentia2 | warmi, yaq, but 400mhz |
| 01:18.29 | absentia2 | c'mon |
| 01:18.31 | warmi | usually these game machines had all kinds of custom hardware |
| 01:18.38 | mutexer | could be crappy implementation too |
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| 01:19.30 | mutexer | yeah.. like GBA.. it has hardware accelerated 2d stuff |
| 01:19.51 | mutexer | which Im guessing is why the emulator runs so slow on PPC |
| 01:20.32 | warmi | yeah |
| 01:21.04 | mutexer | warmi: you seen that new 3d game by Xen Games? |
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| 01:22.04 | warmi | yeah |
| 01:22.25 | mutexer | looks like halflife... its very nice |
| 01:22.31 | warmi | looks pretty cool but I don't think it makes sense to try to create 3d games on PPC |
| 01:22.59 | warmi | you will never come close to what people get on the desktop and since people are used to that kind of quality , you are doomed :-) |
| 01:23.35 | warmi | but hey if it works then more power to them |
| 01:27.02 | Neo|Work | warmi: actually, it DOES make sense |
| 01:27.06 | Neo|Work | VERY profitable |
| 01:27.15 | Neo|Work | even if it's ONLY because it's 3D |
| 01:28.29 | absentia2 | I just love the zoom of the sharp console app |
| 01:28.46 | warmi | well, yeah .. if you are talking about pure profit :-) |
| 01:29.02 | warmi | but personally I don't find PCC 3d games fun |
| 01:29.44 | warmi | I guess others do enjoy it cause IF sold tons of copies |
| 01:30.39 | yebyen | anyone use opiereader and plucker? |
| 01:33.22 | fliplap | i tried once, decided it was annoying |
| 01:33.29 | yebyen | hrm |
| 01:33.33 | yebyen | what do you use? anything? |
| 01:33.43 | yebyen | what was annoying about it, heh |
| 01:34.42 | fliplap | complicated, i'm going to try mazingo, looks nice |
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| 01:36.54 | yebyen | hrm, windows software |
| 01:36.55 | yebyen | evil |
| 01:40.01 | Neo|Work | warmi: I don't really either, but I think they can be fun and they DO sell |
| 01:40.56 | mutexer | Neo|Work: do they sell enough to justify the work of making them? |
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| 01:41.28 | mutexer | 3d game isnt light work |
| 01:41.48 | mutexer | specially since the Z and PPC arent built for 3d |
| 01:41.54 | yebyen | heh |
| 01:42.06 | yebyen | hook a mouse and keyboard up to the shit |
| 01:42.07 | yebyen | play quake 3 |
| 01:42.08 | yebyen | HEH |
| 01:42.30 | warmi | mutexer : basically you need to write your own rasterizer + some sort of depth handling code |
| 01:42.48 | mutexer | yeah.. but you got the problem of no FPU |
| 01:43.04 | warmi | well, fixed will do fine for most of this stuff |
| 01:43.07 | fliplap | but after you've got it done you can sell the engine, plus you can base other games on the engine |
| 01:43.27 | yebyen | or you could make the engine open source ^_~ |
| 01:43.42 | warmi | there are 3d engines available for PPC devices |
| 01:43.47 | yebyen | or you could make it open source and sell it |
| 01:43.48 | yebyen | heh |
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| 01:44.03 | mutexer | you make it opensource and ytou wont sell it |
| 01:44.11 | warmi | nothing fancy though .. we taking here Quake style rendering with exception that this happens on 320x240 ;-) |
| 01:44.15 | yebyen | mutexer: you can still try :) |
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| 01:54.11 | Neo|Work | mutexer: yes |
| 01:54.51 | warmi | actually open sourcing can work for games but the engines itself |
| 01:55.18 | warmi | but not the engines itself, that is |
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| 02:01.31 | Neo|Work | I don't think I'd want my engine open sourced |
| 02:01.40 | Neo|Work | might sell it if it gets to a level where it's licensable but.. |
| 02:04.46 | fliplap | i heart debian |
| 02:05.20 | treke|home | real big market for tetris engines? :) |
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| 02:08.01 | Neo|Work | treke|home: tetris is not part of the engine |
| 02:08.02 | Neo|Work | 2D is |
| 02:08.13 | Neo|Work | but more exactly, it'd be the 3D part that would be interesting |
| 02:09.00 | treke|home | nod |
| 02:09.04 | treke|home | just screwin with you |
| 02:10.18 | Neo|Work | well, homegotime |
| 02:11.30 | Neo|Work | doh |
| 02:16.42 | yebyen | JPluck seems pretty nice :) |
| 02:16.52 | yebyen | and it's not $6.95 for a damned day... |
| 02:19.52 | yebyen | wow, except NY Times is freakin huge |
| 02:19.55 | yebyen | 3000 files so far |
| 02:25.45 | Pendalar | I think IE won't release the cache of openzaurus.org ;-) |
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| 03:12.07 | mewyn` | yes. we can tell |
| 03:13.22 | chouimat|drunk | mewyn`: ? |
| 03:16.47 | mewyn | drunk |
| 03:16.51 | mewyn | :) |
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| 03:36.58 | treke|home | chouimat is always drunk |
| 03:37.10 | treke|home | the surprise would be calling himself chouimat|sober |
| 03:37.26 | kergoth`bbl | surprise, i wouldnt believe it :) |
| 03:37.36 | treke|home | welcome bac |
| 03:37.42 | treke|home | fix libtool you tool |
| 03:37.47 | kergoth | ah good idea |
| 03:37.57 | chouimat|Zzzzz | ~lart treke|home |
| 03:39.02 | aveng0 | who has ordered from conics.net? |
| 03:39.34 | treke|home | I havent, so if you want to buy me something that's fine |
| 03:39.59 | aveng0 | sure! |
| 03:40.04 | aveng0 | no |
| 03:40.08 | aveng0 | :) |
| 03:44.25 | chouimat|Zzzzz | nighht |
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| 03:59.11 | rev | heyy |
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| 05:20.48 | Locutus4242 | anybody home? |
| 05:24.20 | darienm | depends what you consider 'home' |
| 05:31.15 | rev | i am home |
| 05:31.16 | rev | indeed |
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| 05:31.39 | absentiaZ | hi |
| 05:32.42 | rev | yo |
| 05:32.46 | rev | ah zic-style |
| 05:32.46 | rev | nice |
| 05:33.36 | absentiaZ | how can you tell? |
| 05:35.15 | rev | absentiaZ (~zic@207-237-66-227.c3-0.80w-ubr9.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) |
| 05:35.19 | rev | has joined #Zaurus |
| 05:36.11 | rev | you could be ircing from something else simply using zic as your userid and a Z suffix on your nick, sure |
| 05:36.14 | rev | but it seemed a good guess |
| 05:36.37 | rev | also, a ctcp version returns Zic 0.2 |
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| 14:59.41 | chouimat | morninng |
| 15:01.32 | Freddie | moin |
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| 15:17.22 | warmi | hi |
| 15:20.07 | wijnand | hi |
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| 15:24.37 | warmi | hi mutexer .. |
| 15:24.48 | mutexer | hey |
| 15:25.11 | sharpie | hi |
| 15:25.38 | warmi | mutexer: ha .. I see you are getting ready to release Jack for PPC |
| 15:26.01 | mutexer | its already out |
| 15:26.05 | mutexer | came out April 30th |
| 15:26.20 | mutexer | its only available at clickgamer for first week |
| 15:26.35 | warmi | ah ok |
| 15:26.54 | warmi | I wonder if I should go with them for ZRaid |
| 15:27.17 | mutexer | we used a branding advertising technique |
| 15:27.36 | mutexer | put their logo in our game and 1 week exclusiveness and they give us advertising and stuff in return |
| 15:27.40 | warmi | what kind of cut they are getting ? |
| 15:27.51 | mutexer | they also did beta testing over many PDA devices |
| 15:27.56 | mutexer | they get 25% |
| 15:28.13 | mutexer | at least with our deal.. not sure if thats their standard rate or not |
| 15:28.26 | warmi | well, I will see how this works out for you and then I will make my mind .. I still have like couple of weeks to go before I release it |
| 15:28.33 | warmi | :-) |
| 15:28.47 | sharpie | that's still better than handango's though |
| 15:28.53 | warmi | I have only 15 levels ready and I need another 105 |
| 15:28.54 | warmi | heh |
| 15:29.07 | warmi | sharpie: yeah .. a bit better |
| 15:29.35 | warmi | mutexer: when you said "advertising" what do you mean ? their site or do they advertise somewhere else as well ? |
| 15:29.53 | mutexer | they sent out for reviews.. and send out news blurbs etc to other sites |
| 15:29.58 | warmi | ah ok |
| 15:30.07 | mutexer | and we have a pretty big ad on their front page |
| 15:30.20 | warmi | wonder what kind of traffic they are getting on their site |
| 15:30.28 | sharpie | I haven't tried writting anything for PPC yet, do you think it is profitable? |
| 15:30.30 | mutexer | although I have some insider info for you |
| 15:30.58 | warmi | sharpie: well, it is more profitable than for the Zaurus , that's for sure .. but as with everything it is a hit/miss market |
| 15:32.27 | sharpie | what do the licencing fees look like? |
| 15:32.34 | mutexer | there are none |
| 15:32.43 | mutexer | even Visual Studios Embedded is free |
| 15:32.58 | sharpie | cool |
| 15:33.17 | warmi | mutexer: btw .. Gapi 2.0 release candidate is out |
| 15:33.22 | warmi | GapiDraw that is |
| 15:33.29 | warmi | lots of fixes .. fonst, alpha etc ... |
| 15:33.35 | mutexer | yeah.. is it faster? |
| 15:33.51 | mutexer | I was thinking about releasing a patch with Gapidraw 2.0 if it speeds up my game |
| 15:35.13 | warmi | it only slightly slower than ZSurface , meaning it should be 20% faster than GapiDraw 1.4 |
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| 15:55.42 | pHlu1d | Heh. Snotty little fuck. |
| 15:55.52 | kergoth | yes, and? |
| 15:56.16 | pHlu1d | Just commenting |
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| 15:56.19 | pyromance | arrrrr |
| 15:56.29 | pHlu1d | I know you're well aware of the fact. |
| 16:00.32 | pHlu1d | Anyone know anywhere to grab a 5500 battery for under $50? best price I've found so far... |
| 16:00.41 | pyromance | Yeah |
| 16:00.56 | pyromance | That didn't cost me a thing. |
| 16:01.08 | pHlu1d | FOFOFOFOF |
| 16:01.14 | pHlu1d | Man you're witty. |
| 16:01.45 | pyromance | How's $43? better? |
| 16:01.48 | pyromance | http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/showcase/productdetail.asp?product_id=297003&vendor=Handhelds |
| 16:02.07 | pHlu1d | Indeed, that would be less. |
| 16:03.16 | pyromance | That's the best I've ever found |
| 16:03.54 | pHlu1d | Yeh, $60-70 seems to be average |
| 16:04.17 | pHlu1d | It's like the print cartridge thing. $100 for the printer, $80 for a cartridge :( |
| 16:04.44 | mewyn` | damn. i hope big blue whoops SCO's ass |
| 16:05.53 | pHlu1d | Aye, I hope so too. |
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| 17:08.49 | doughecka | hey Sniper |
| 17:08.53 | Sniper | hey |
| 17:08.57 | Freddie | howdy sniper |
| 17:09.03 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:09.05 | Sniper | happy friday |
| 17:09.09 | Freddie | indeed it is |
| 17:09.15 | doughecka | it is friday, cool |
| 17:10.23 | Freddie | nope, no update as yet |
| 17:10.24 | Freddie | :) |
| 17:10.32 | doughecka | is there anyway for me to check on my Z status? |
| 17:10.46 | doughecka | its getting unbricked |
| 17:10.47 | doughecka | :P |
| 17:10.51 | Sniper | in Chicago? |
| 17:10.57 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:11.01 | doughecka | romeoville |
| 17:11.05 | doughecka | I think so |
| 17:11.08 | Sniper | same thing |
| 17:11.12 | Sniper | call the 1800be-sharp # |
| 17:11.13 | doughecka | yup |
| 17:11.21 | Sniper | the service/support group is different from my group |
| 17:11.25 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:11.29 | Sniper | im in NJ |
| 17:11.30 | doughecka | whats ur group? |
| 17:11.36 | Sniper | sales/marketing |
| 17:11.42 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:11.51 | Freddie | sniper: I don't know if this counts as "public", but Shawn of tkc said that there is to be a US c700 in June |
| 17:11.54 | Freddie | any truth to it? |
| 17:12.06 | Sniper | hmm... |
| 17:12.14 | Freddie | it was on his mailing list |
| 17:12.21 | Freddie | so it is at least public in that sense. . |
| 17:12.27 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:12.29 | Sniper | well nothing is definite until i see a product |
| 17:12.32 | Freddie | but it isn't like a press release |
| 17:12.33 | doughecka | haha |
| 17:12.41 | Sniper | at any moment, we can decide to pull the product |
| 17:12.42 | Freddie | sniper: I understand |
| 17:12.48 | Freddie | oh |
| 17:12.49 | Freddie | ! |
| 17:12.52 | Sniper | depending on market conditions.. etc. |
| 17:13.00 | Freddie | but you can confirm at least the concept of the possibility? |
| 17:13.01 | Freddie | :) |
| 17:13.07 | Sniper | i can tell you that we're planning on future models |
| 17:13.13 | Freddie | heh |
| 17:13.14 | Freddie | ok |
| 17:13.21 | Sniper | but just like when you go to the Auto Shows.. you see a lot of concept cars.. |
| 17:13.26 | Sniper | not many of them make it to production |
| 17:13.31 | Freddie | sniper: I understand |
| 17:13.31 | doughecka | yup |
| 17:13.41 | Sniper | and june is quite agressive.. so i doubt anything will be available in june |
| 17:13.47 | Freddie | sniper: Does sharp have a Japanese version of myzaurus? |
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| 17:13.54 | Sniper | ezaurus.com |
| 17:13.57 | Freddie | something for the Japanese community |
| 17:14.01 | Freddie | thanks |
| 17:14.12 | Sniper | anyone here from seattle? |
| 17:14.16 | doughecka | nope |
| 17:14.17 | Sniper | or toroto? |
| 17:14.18 | doughecka | I aint |
| 17:14.19 | Sniper | toronto? |
| 17:14.32 | kergoth | hey spencer |
| 17:14.34 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 17:14.40 | doughecka | key kergoth |
| 17:14.49 | Sniper | kergoth- nice to hear from you.. did u guys use that SD binary? |
| 17:14.54 | _PsyJob | well im not far from toronto |
| 17:15.10 | Sniper | is the SARS thing really scary there? I have a wedding to go to in 3 weeks |
| 17:15.36 | kergoth | Sniper: havent yet, he asked not to release it just yet, so I'm holding off. I have plenty of other things to work on in the meantime. OZ works great on the c700 :) |
| 17:15.46 | _PsyJob | Sniper, i heard that news paper are ridiculus, i have a friend that was there this week, its like nothing ever happened. I doubt really |
| 17:16.13 | doughecka | sars in canada? |
| 17:16.34 | Sniper | oh ok.. i was getting a little concerned |
| 17:16.42 | Sniper | thats great OZ works on the C700 |
| 17:16.43 | Sniper | sweet |
| 17:17.00 | _PsyJob | Anyway my friend said, he was a really isolated sector out of town and like nobody wear mask or stuff |
| 17:17.16 | _PsyJob | Sniper yeah and it kickass ;) (OZ on the c700) |
| 17:17.18 | Sniper | ok.. so it's just the media |
| 17:17.46 | _PsyJob | Sniper, well from what he said, i dont live in toronto hehe |
| 17:18.00 | kergoth | Sniper: http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/screenshots/sc_19.03.57_Wed_31_Dec_1969.png <-look, perty ;) |
| 17:18.03 | Freddie | sniper: The war is winding down so they had to create hysteria somewhere else - enter SARS |
| 17:18.12 | _PsyJob | anyway you can always bet, 90% of the peoples who get sars survive =p |
| 17:18.32 | Sniper | argh.. i dont want to get SARS |
| 17:18.47 | Sniper | wow - OZ on C700 looks cool |
| 17:18.53 | _PsyJob | I prefer mine |
| 17:19.09 | Freddie | man |
| 17:19.11 | _PsyJob | http://199.243.181.195/c700/opie-16april2003.png |
| 17:19.15 | _PsyJob | hehe |
| 17:19.20 | Freddie | !! |
| 17:19.29 | doughecka | like 1.5 ghz |
| 17:19.35 | doughecka | and a small nuclear plant |
| 17:19.41 | Freddie | no |
| 17:19.46 | doughecka | oh. |
| 17:19.53 | Freddie | just something faster than my 5500 |
| 17:19.57 | _PsyJob | of course its mostly just a backgroudn change ;) |
| 17:19.58 | Sniper | pxa -255 is the next |
| 17:20.14 | Freddie | sniper: I don't follow you |
| 17:20.20 | Freddie | 255 MHz? |
| 17:20.26 | kergoth | Freddie: pxa255 is a cpu |
| 17:20.27 | Freddie | (I thought the c700 was 400MHz) |
| 17:20.30 | treke | pxa2555 |
| 17:20.35 | Freddie | oh |
| 17:20.37 | Freddie | not a speed rating |
| 17:20.38 | Sniper | pxa255 - still 400 but faster |
| 17:20.41 | Freddie | a specific cpu |
| 17:20.42 | Freddie | thanks |
| 17:20.47 | _PsyJob | Freddie its pxa250 rev4 on the c700 |
| 17:20.52 | treke | its the fixed revision of the cpu in the c700 |
| 17:21.02 | Freddie | no way treke - really? |
| 17:21.10 | Freddie | kick butt |
| 17:21.22 | Freddie | so it might actually be faster than a 200MHz strongarm then |
| 17:21.23 | Freddie | :) |
| 17:21.27 | treke | yes. intel renamed the cpu to the pxa255 to get away from the bad conotations of 250 :) |
| 17:21.33 | Freddie | heh |
| 17:21.37 | Freddie | I do -*NOT*- blame them |
| 17:21.55 | _PsyJob | i wonder if transmeta cpu would be good on a pda |
| 17:22.23 | Freddie | "here we have the ihy-96198 cpu. In no way related to teh pxa-250, but software compatible!" |
| 17:23.04 | treke | transmetas run too hot |
| 17:23.13 | Freddie | and use too much power |
| 17:23.21 | treke | yup |
| 17:23.32 | _PsyJob | i thought they was using less power, probably a misconception of mine |
| 17:23.37 | treke | they do |
| 17:23.43 | treke | when compared to a p3/p4/athlon |
| 17:23.50 | _PsyJob | oh yeah i see |
| 17:23.51 | Freddie | psyjob: Less power than desktop x86 cpus |
| 17:23.55 | Freddie | but that isn't saying much |
| 17:23.55 | Freddie | :) |
| 17:24.46 | treke | it was significantly less than most x86s, but still hot for a pda |
| 17:24.48 | _PsyJob | I heard hotel dropped to 50% in toronto and some place like chinatown, dropped to 18% of all they usually sell |
| 17:25.01 | _PsyJob | so Sniper you might get good deal in the chinatown ! :) |
| 17:25.12 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:25.16 | Sniper | haha in chinatown... |
| 17:25.31 | Sniper | ive seen enough chinese people |
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| 17:25.59 | treke | _PsyJob: the crusoe is supposed to run at 48C without heatsink or fan |
| 17:26.09 | doughecka | wow |
| 17:26.15 | _PsyJob | What town do you live sniper ? , i mean vs toronto. |
| 17:26.26 | _PsyJob | treke ah ok thats give me a good idea |
| 17:26.41 | Sniper | oh i live in the NY metro area |
| 17:26.52 | _PsyJob | Sharp is in NY ? |
| 17:26.52 | treke | to compare, an athlon 900 runs ats 100C with heatsink and no fan :) |
| 17:26.53 | _PsyJob | ah ok |
| 17:26.56 | _PsyJob | not too far then |
| 17:26.58 | Sniper | well it's on the border of NJ/NY |
| 17:27.01 | _PsyJob | coming in car or plane ? |
| 17:27.06 | Sniper | it's about 1 mile from the NY state border |
| 17:27.17 | Sniper | i think plane.. because its just a weekend wedding |
| 17:27.27 | _PsyJob | oh i see |
| 17:27.51 | Sniper | psy: r u candaian, ah? |
| 17:27.53 | Sniper | eh? |
| 17:27.56 | Sniper | aye? |
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| 17:28.02 | _PsyJob | Of course ;) I live in Montreal |
| 17:28.13 | treke | nobody is perfect |
| 17:28.17 | Sniper | oh so .. vous parlez francais |
| 17:28.17 | doughecka | eh? |
| 17:28.26 | doughecka | ~x fr en vous parlez francais |
| 17:28.26 | chouimat|lunch | hey sniper |
| 17:28.28 | _PsyJob | Yep, my first language is french |
| 17:28.38 | Sniper | so many french -canadians |
| 17:29.03 | Sniper | "In Canada, you can go to TigerDirect.ca, where these Zaurii are available for $Cdn 299" |
| 17:29.05 | doughecka | ~x en fr I dont speak french / freedom?!?! |
| 17:29.07 | _PsyJob | so many ? where ? ;) |
| 17:29.29 | _PsyJob | Sniper, yeah its new from this month we got the new catalog, last moth was still misco.ca its weird |
| 17:29.37 | _PsyJob | but i got my C700 anyway, it own everything else |
| 17:29.40 | Sniper | je t'aime |
| 17:29.52 | _PsyJob | i dont even understand why someone would buy a 5600 |
| 17:30.03 | Sniper | hmm.. the c700 battery sucks |
| 17:30.08 | treke | the battery |
| 17:30.08 | _PsyJob | yeah indeed |
| 17:30.12 | _PsyJob | but who care =p |
| 17:30.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:30.20 | treke | people who cant charge often? :) |
| 17:30.29 | kergoth | the c700 is an amazing unit, even given the pxa250 |
| 17:30.35 | _PsyJob | I wonder if tigerdirect.ca sell stylus |
| 17:31.23 | _PsyJob | Sharp should change the stylus, mine dropped 2 times on the floor, and both part broke |
| 17:31.34 | kergoth | i've broken two sharp styluses so far |
| 17:31.40 | doughecka | hah |
| 17:31.43 | _PsyJob | doughecka, i bought a tungsten T one, they fit very good |
| 17:31.52 | doughecka | cool |
| 17:31.53 | doughecka | thx |
| 17:31.55 | _PsyJob | i cut it a bit to made it fi tbetter, but they are really nice |
| 17:31.58 | _PsyJob | i suggest them |
| 17:32.02 | doughecka | ok |
| 17:32.14 | doughecka | how about the screen protector |
| 17:32.18 | doughecka | the plastic thing |
| 17:32.19 | _PsyJob | hard to remove the plastic, but you remove it, cut the metal cut the plactic , put it back, fit at 100% |
| 17:32.27 | doughecka | cool |
| 17:32.36 | _PsyJob | screen protector ? no idea |
| 17:33.16 | doughecka | you know, the big plastic cover that snaps on it |
| 17:33.19 | _PsyJob | and it wont broke like the sharp thingie |
| 17:33.30 | _PsyJob | I have a c700, cant help you on that |
| 17:33.33 | doughecka | oooh |
| 17:33.34 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:33.45 | doughecka | donations exepted |
| 17:33.50 | _PsyJob | i wonder why its not in the US yet |
| 17:34.00 | _PsyJob | this is the best device on the world (yet) |
| 17:34.02 | _PsyJob | ! |
| 17:34.12 | _PsyJob | sharp is weird |
| 17:34.34 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:34.56 | treke | I mean, the only zaurus I can find in stores has been there for a year now :) |
| 17:35.28 | _PsyJob | i had more complain for sniper but i forgot ! |
| 17:35.38 | _PsyJob | most be the work, its borign today |
| 17:35.43 | _PsyJob | boring* |
| 17:35.49 | Freddie | treke: I think they just forgot their market is why |
| 17:36.07 | Freddie | the zaurus is not really selling to the pda crowd |
| 17:36.14 | Freddie | it is selling to the gadget/unix crowd |
| 17:36.22 | _PsyJob | Freddie, its not even in canada |
| 17:36.39 | _PsyJob | hard to sell when you dont sell it ! |
| 17:36.40 | _PsyJob | ;) |
| 17:36.43 | Freddie | if they had just made the PIM stuff at MINIMUM able to compete with the palm, it would have done quite well |
| 17:36.48 | _PsyJob | I heard the c700 sold a lots in japan |
| 17:37.04 | Freddie | every new gadget sells lots in japan |
| 17:37.04 | doughecka | cuz its japan |
| 17:37.06 | treke | the japanese will buy anything with a battery in it |
| 17:37.12 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:37.14 | _PsyJob | haha |
| 17:37.23 | Freddie | japans' land mass is probably 90% used electronic gadgets |
| 17:37.24 | Freddie | :) |
| 17:37.37 | doughecka | hehe |
| 17:37.44 | Freddie | I mean, honestly |
| 17:37.46 | treke | <japanese masses> holy shit! battery in a box?! give me 12 |
| 17:37.54 | Freddie | what in the world must happen to all the old gadgets? |
| 17:37.56 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:38.01 | Freddie | they can't possibly keep them all |
| 17:38.03 | Freddie | they don't have room |
| 17:38.06 | doughecka | Freddie: the US gets them |
| 17:38.08 | Freddie | so they must go somewhere |
| 17:38.13 | Freddie | doug: ebay? |
| 17:38.17 | doughecka | hehe |
| 17:38.19 | doughecka | dunnno |
| 17:39.04 | Freddie | treke: They buy batteries in clear boxes with cardboard backing |
| 17:39.15 | Freddie | why wouldn't they buy batteries in cardboard boxes? |
| 17:39.15 | Freddie | :) |
| 17:39.35 | Neo|Work | hrm. Need to pack my office today |
| 17:39.37 | doughecka | drats |
| 17:39.49 | Freddie | neo: I very sincerely hope it isn't because you lost your job. . . . . |
| 17:39.50 | Freddie | :( |
| 17:40.06 | doughecka | hes got a new job and a toilet paper factory |
| 17:40.23 | Freddie | don't knock it - its a living ain't it? :) |
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| 17:40.53 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:40.58 | doughecka | Xeon? |
| 17:41.00 | doughecka | oooh |
| 17:41.03 | doughecka | everybody bow |
| 17:41.20 | Freddie | a dual xeon laptop would rock |
| 17:41.24 | Freddie | it would MELT mind you |
| 17:41.26 | Freddie | but it would rock |
| 17:41.30 | doughecka | and run for... |
| 17:41.31 | doughecka | oh |
| 17:41.34 | doughecka | about 2 min |
| 17:41.51 | Freddie | It would have to run openbsd just to boot up before it ran out of power |
| 17:41.56 | _PsyJob | with a nvidia fx5200 that take 200w |
| 17:41.57 | doughecka | or OZ |
| 17:41.58 | doughecka | :D |
| 17:42.09 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:42.12 | Freddie | heh, true - after its first boot anyway |
| 17:42.13 | doughecka | OZ on a duel xeon |
| 17:42.21 | doughecka | that would be fast |
| 17:42.38 | XavierXeon | not really |
| 17:43.04 | doughecka | faster than a 5500 |
| 17:43.13 | XavierXeon | smp systems are only fast if there are several independent threads running at once |
| 17:43.27 | doughecka | yea yea :P |
| 17:45.28 | _PsyJob | weatherbot: weather CYUL |
| 17:45.46 | chouimat|lunch | _Psycho: still broken didn't have the time to fix it |
| 17:45.55 | _PsyJob | AH ok |
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| 17:52.16 | doughecka | ooooops |
| 17:52.31 | Freddie | double oops |
| 17:53.08 | sharpie | ok, who farted? |
| 17:53.12 | sharpie | damn |
| 17:53.14 | sharpie | was it you who farted? |
| 17:53.18 | sharpie | or maby it was me. let me check... |
| 17:53.55 | doughecka | smell it |
| 17:54.11 | doughecka | ~fart |
| 17:54.12 | | ACTION farts. |
| 17:54.13 | sharpie | hmm, smells like one |
| 17:54.32 | sharpie | oh, no, it was my roommate |
| 17:54.33 | doughecka | maybe its kergoth's lunch? |
| 17:54.38 | doughecka | ah |
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| 19:39.59 | shishi | hello |
| 19:40.19 | shishi | someone use minide ? |
| 19:40.30 | kendrick | minide? |
| 19:40.46 | shishi | a minIDE |
| 19:41.05 | shishi | editor to dev |
| 19:41.26 | shishi | or jed |
| 19:42.10 | shishi | i install minIDE on my Z but it don't start and jed i don't know how to have F10 on my keyboard |
| 19:42.37 | kergoth`lunch | read the Z keymap document on zaurus.com |
| 19:43.10 | shishi | ok i do this thx |
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| 20:08.37 | zauruslover | friends : Need some advice here ... from the C700 folks ... I am finally taking the plunge and ordering mine ... (conics.net) |
| 20:09.04 | zauruslover | anyone here have the "AA" Battery charger listed on the conics site ? and also a Case (not listed) ? |
| 20:09.12 | zauruslover | or rather recommendations for a case ? |
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| 20:14.40 | aveng0 | zauruslover: are you ordering by bank-wire from conics? |
| 20:16.03 | aveng0 | i'll be ordering something from there too, in a few days |
| 20:16.08 | absentia | I want to get that metal case. |
| 20:16.30 | shishi | erf |
| 20:16.33 | absentia | I have an extra battery and the external charger |
| 20:16.52 | shishi | i find in keymap but it don't work on jed :( |
| 20:17.17 | shishi | in doc F10 = contact at the cover side |
| 20:17.44 | zauruslover | avengo yes |
| 20:17.57 | zauruslover | absentia : which metal case |
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| 20:18.23 | aveng0 | zauruslover: where are you ordering to |
| 20:19.11 | shishi | help kergoth pliz |
| 20:19.24 | pHluid | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/030430/168/3xtzv.html&e=40&ncid= |
| 20:19.28 | pHluid | Dr. Evil lookalike. |
| 20:19.48 | zauruslover | aveng0 : Calif |
| 20:28.01 | SuKoSh| | absentia: extreme-limi.co.jp |
| 20:28.06 | SuKoSh| | hey accept worlwide order |
| 20:28.59 | SuKoSh| | http://extreme-limit.co.jp/ |
| 20:29.05 | SuKoSh| | my t key is dead |
| 20:32.45 | zauruslover | cant get to that site ... what does it contain sukosh| ? |
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| 20:39.22 | ivan | once i get my dell axim and like it i'm going to post a big long rant about why sharp's pda line is doomed to the devnet forum |
| 20:39.40 | kendrick | heheheheheh |
| 20:39.41 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:41.07 | mutexer | heh |
| 20:41.35 | mutexer | its already doomed for me... I am not making any future Zaurus apps |
| 20:42.05 | doughecka | what are we gonna do without ur apps?!?!?! |
| 20:42.18 | ivan | surrender to the pocket pc monkies |
| 20:42.19 | mutexer | heh |
| 20:43.09 | kendrick | what apps did you make, mutexer? |
| 20:43.28 | mutexer | The Hunter Project and Jack the Uni-Psychle |
| 20:43.35 | kendrick | urls? |
| 20:43.43 | mutexer | www.discordstudios.com/jack |
| 20:44.17 | mutexer | Hunter project - http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=X7BE7AE377FEF26AE8EF156FAD87XFCF&productId=44382&optionId=1_9_2&productType=2&catalog=80&txtSearch=The+Hunter+Project§ionId=0&platformId=9 |
| 20:44.38 | ivan | thank you for making a pocket pc version |
| 20:45.17 | mutexer | Pocket PC version of jack is a lot better too.. specially with the 1.1 patch for pocket PC coming out |
| 20:45.40 | mutexer | it has pixel based collision in the patch |
| 20:45.42 | ivan | what tools are you using to make the PPC version? |
| 20:45.45 | ivan | did you need any commercial software? |
| 20:45.52 | mutexer | nope.. all free software |
| 20:46.12 | mutexer | Dev tools from microsoft (all free downloads) and GapiDraw SDK.. (free download) |
| 20:46.30 | kendrick | wow, that's purty |
| 20:46.49 | kendrick | what did you make it under on the Z? |
| 20:46.52 | kendrick | qt? |
| 20:46.56 | mutexer | Visual C++ Embedded 3.0 is about as good as Visual C++ 6.0 Professional.. except you can only make Pocket PC and winCE exes |
| 20:47.09 | mutexer | Z was Qt with warmi's ZSurface |
| 20:47.27 | treke | too bad Z Development is 195 bucks |
| 20:47.30 | mutexer | ZSurface is the only redeeming quality of Zaurus programming.. and it wasnt made by trolltech or sharp |
| 20:47.41 | treke | if you want to do commercial stuff |
| 20:47.54 | treke | ~lart mutexer |
| 20:47.58 | treke | qt is fricken nice :) |
| 20:48.00 | ivan | mutexer: can you comment on how many copies it sold for the zaurus? |
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| 20:49.02 | mutexer | ivan: in almost 3 weeks of being on sale.. you can almost count the number of copies sold on 1 hand |
| 20:49.28 | mutexer | treke: qt is nice.. but its not a strickly Zaurus thing..I use Qt on linux too |
| 20:49.29 | kendrick | and the nice thing is, since it's SDL, it can run anywhere SDL can... Zaurus, Linux desktop, Windows, Mac, BeOS, Amiga, PocketPC... |
| 20:49.34 | ivan | mutexer: yeah we had our why-isn't-our-software-selling-2-copies-a-day surprise here too |
| 20:49.51 | mutexer | I had my why isnt my software selling 2 copies a week |
| 20:49.52 | mutexer | :) |
| 20:49.53 | kendrick | ivan & mutexer: i'd buy crap like this, except i got laid off recently :( |
| 20:50.06 | treke | mutexer: you made your money back yet? |
| 20:50.10 | kendrick | mutexer: is your game up at happypenguin.org? |
| 20:50.14 | kendrick | or linuxgames.com? |
| 20:50.16 | Neo|Work | kendrick: the drawback with SDL is that on the Zaurus it's anything but fast |
| 20:50.27 | mutexer | kendrick: do they do Zaurus games? I have it up at ZSI |
| 20:50.42 | kendrick | i spam my games to them, yeah :) |
| 20:50.47 | kendrick | Neo|Work: compared to Qt? |
| 20:50.52 | mutexer | treke: no.. havent come close to making money back |
| 20:51.00 | Neo|Work | kendrick: compared to zsurface |
| 20:51.09 | Neo|Work | Qt I is even slower I'd say |
| 20:51.17 | mutexer | hell.. I might have been paid for 1-2 days work.. where it took a month to make it |
| 20:51.21 | Neo|Work | I think warmi says his blitting code is about twice as fast as SDL |
| 20:51.26 | mutexer | Qt is ass slow |
| 20:51.33 | mutexer | ZSurface runs laps around it |
| 20:51.38 | kendrick | mutexer: why not make a desktop version of the game, too? |
| 20:51.43 | mutexer | kendrick: I am |
| 20:51.48 | mutexer | not done yet |
| 20:51.55 | mutexer | Itll be made with SDL |
| 20:52.00 | kendrick | excellent :) |
| 20:52.20 | ivan | pocket pc has flash 6 which is really nice |
| 20:52.37 | ivan | because nobody sells flash games and animations |
| 20:52.50 | mutexer | I downloaded a couple of good looking games on pocket PC... sigh... I dont think they tested their games... LOTS of bugs in one of them and the other one crashed a lot |
| 20:52.55 | Neo|Work | who the fucks wants a flash game? |
| 20:53.09 | doughecka | I only want to play a flash movie |
| 20:53.10 | ivan | Neo|Work: me. they're cross-platform |
| 20:53.21 | mutexer | flash games feel odd |
| 20:53.31 | doughecka | indeed |
| 20:53.32 | mutexer | like they are fake.. I dont know what it is about it |
| 20:53.33 | ivan | try monkey lander |
| 20:53.35 | Neo|Work | flash games are like ++lame |
| 20:53.36 | doughecka | to many eye candy |
| 20:54.02 | mutexer | I played this flash game called Angel I think.. it was pretty cool |
| 20:54.09 | kendrick | TROGDOOOOR!!! |
| 20:54.14 | kendrick | Burninate!!! |
| 20:54.30 | Neo|Work | java, ok, I can almost see that. Flash, no |
| 20:54.38 | ivan | java games are even worse |
| 20:54.45 | Neo|Work | no |
| 20:54.51 | Neo|Work | java is a programming language at least |
| 20:54.54 | doughecka | hehehe |
| 20:55.07 | ivan | yeah, and java is as slow as fuck too |
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| 20:55.47 | kendrick | i dont know java, so they dont want me |
| 20:55.49 | kendrick | fuckers :) |
| 20:55.51 | aveng0 | is it "safe" to order from conics.net by bank wire? |
| 20:55.52 | doughecka | haaa |
| 20:55.56 | Neo|Work | kendrick: which one? |
| 20:56.00 | kendrick | centerscore :) |
| 20:56.12 | _Psycho | aveng0 i got my order so i guess |
| 20:56.19 | kendrick | they seemed nice... i was glad they recognized the random-assed atari 2600 titles i rambled off when they asked what kind of games i liked ;) |
| 20:56.36 | mutexer | heh.. I remember the first java game I wrote in college.. crappy Pacman clone.. I read ahead in the class to find out how to do animations etc. I didnt put a stablizer timer in it.. so When I p[ut it on a different machine than the one I was used to running it on... it ran so fast the ghosts killed me in less than a second |
| 20:56.53 | Neo|Work | heh, where are they? :-) |
| 20:56.53 | aveng0 | _Psycho: do i have to pay quebec tax? gst/pst? |
| 20:56.54 | kendrick | i seriously don't understand the need for java for games that are no more complex than those which were written in BASIC 20years ago! |
| 20:57.08 | Neo|Work | kendrick: cellphones... Portability is the key there |
| 20:57.09 | kendrick | palo alto, i think |
| 20:57.13 | kendrick | Neo|Work: yeah |
| 20:57.15 | Neo|Work | all platforms are like different |
| 20:57.15 | _Psycho | aveng0 i got no tax here no douane |
| 20:57.21 | Neo|Work | but java - portable |
| 20:57.27 | zap-zero | c == portable |
| 20:57.30 | doughecka | cellphones ARE portable |
| 20:57.30 | mutexer | I think Java is too slow for portables |
| 20:57.31 | kendrick | SDL == portable :) |
| 20:57.43 | kendrick | doughecka: heh |
| 20:57.49 | mutexer | I looked at the ngage.. all the example stuff was in Java |
| 20:57.57 | Neo|Work | kendrick: for desktops yes |
| 20:58.01 | zap-zero | try to run java on a 1mhz processor |
| 20:58.06 | Neo|Work | mutexer: ngage key apps are not java |
| 20:58.08 | zap-zero | and then call it portable again |
| 20:58.12 | Neo|Work | it's symbian |
| 20:58.16 | aveng0 | _Psycho: don't you have to pay extra, for shipping in quebec? |
| 20:58.19 | Neo|Work | it HAS java yes |
| 20:58.23 | mutexer | Neo|Work: I was speaking of their example programs 3rd parties made |
| 20:58.35 | mutexer | like all of them used java for some reason |
| 20:58.36 | _Psycho | 18$ US, no extra no, cost me like 920$ total |
| 20:58.50 | _Psycho | 570 + 18 + conversion + bank fee etc |
| 20:58.51 | aveng0 | _Psycho: who charged 18$? |
| 20:59.08 | _Psycho | you have to include it in your bank wire |
| 20:59.32 | kendrick | nice chattin' with y'all! |
| 20:59.33 | aveng0 | ah ok |
| 20:59.41 | kendrick | woah... what part of this country do i come from again? |
| 20:59.46 | kendrick | later, dudez! (that's better) |
| 21:00.01 | mutexer | you ordered a C700? |
| 21:00.15 | doughecka | haha |
| 21:00.24 | doughecka | canada? |
| 21:00.25 | doughecka | :P |
| 21:00.28 | doughecka | no |
| 21:00.33 | doughecka | ca.us? |
| 21:00.57 | doughecka | ~country .ca.us |
| 21:01.06 | mutexer | heh - (Many pictures, Text translated into English (bad translation)) |
| 21:01.22 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:01.25 | mutexer | MAKE YOUR TIME! |
| 21:01.31 | doughecka | brb |
| 21:01.40 | _Psycho | aveng0 i go nap, i brb later ;) |
| 21:02.01 | aveng0 | cya |
| 21:02.21 | mutexer | this is poorly translated |
| 21:02.22 | mutexer | The data of an address book is seen ...120 |
| 21:02.23 | mutexer | A more detailed thing ... 121 |
| 21:03.23 | mutexer | the time of being troubled by main part operation .................. 185 |
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| 22:08.28 | zauruslover | folks : anyone got any printing programs for the Z (5500/5600/C700) ? |
| 22:09.07 | zauruslover | lets say I wanted to print a PDF file when I am connected to a LAN via Wi-Fi ? |
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| 22:22.06 | zauruslover | gee no one ever printed from the Z yet ?? |
| 22:22.25 | absentia2 | not me. |
| 22:22.32 | doughecka | I dont even have a zaurus |
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| 22:22.48 | doughecka | but hey |
| 22:22.49 | doughecka | its linux |
| 22:22.53 | doughecka | you can do anything on it |
| 22:22.59 | doughecka | (yea right) |
| 22:23.08 | zauruslover | :) does the Z (Sharp ROM) come with lpd ? |
| 22:23.22 | zauruslover | and lp ? |
| 22:23.23 | absentia2 | sharp rom comes with a lot of things |
| 22:23.29 | doughecka | too many things |
| 22:23.33 | zauruslover | hahahah |
| 22:23.49 | zauruslover | or even OZ ? |
| 22:24.23 | doughecka | apt-get install lpd |
| 22:24.24 | doughecka | :P |
| 22:24.52 | kergoth | if you think oz includes too much, start uninstalling things |
| 22:24.56 | kergoth | gotta love readwrite rootfs |
| 22:25.30 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:28.57 | zauruslover | but seriously, is there a print daemon on the Z ? I haven't got my Z yet so can't comment |
| 22:29.04 | absentia2 | yes |
| 22:29.05 | absentia2 | yes yes |
| 22:29.14 | kergoth | opie doenst have crap for printing support |
| 22:29.44 | zauruslover | cool ... then do the programs have a print option in their menu's ? For eg., Opera or NetFront or Email or PDF viewer ? |
| 22:29.58 | absentia2 | ah hell |
| 22:30.24 | zauruslover | cuz I'd like to print purchased e-books etc |
| 22:31.04 | zauruslover | Several networking e-books are available for like $8.95 |
| 22:33.27 | doughecka | why print |
| 22:33.30 | doughecka | when you have a Z? |
| 22:33.31 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:34.13 | zauruslover | :) |
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| 22:34.29 | zauruslover | gotta go to wire money to conics ... laterz guys |
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| 22:59.39 | tech2k | http://www.w-m-p.com/pocketworkstation/ |
| 22:59.48 | doughecka | WMP!!! |
| 23:00.13 | tech2k | that os rox on the zaurus |
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| 23:01.06 | doughecka | cool |
| 23:02.38 | tech2k | i installed it to a 256meg sd card i just bought for 66 bucks...the full debian tree is ported to the arm processor...it runs perfect on the sl-5500 |
| 23:03.10 | doughecka | wow |
| 23:03.18 | doughecka | now for redhat and mandrake |
| 23:03.22 | doughecka | and windows CE |
| 23:04.18 | tech2k | hehe...i run JAMD on the hard drive and knoppix live and pocket workstation on the sd card and crow on the flash rom |
| 23:04.33 | tech2k | i love apt-get on the zaurus ;) |
| 23:04.44 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:06.24 | tech2k | when i used to run wince my favorite app was pocketdos...now i have bash and x |
| 23:06.35 | doughecka | haaa |
| 23:07.26 | kergoth | doughecka: sick bastard. |
| 23:07.43 | doughecka | the best of both worlds |
| 23:07.44 | doughecka | :D |
| 23:08.11 | tech2k | i ran oz for awhile with opie...if you have an sd card try that pocket workstation..you w0ont be sorry...you run it on the sd and can also boot to qtopia in flash rom |
| 23:08.44 | doughecka | it boots off the DF? |
| 23:08.48 | tech2k | mabey we can get a wince emanulator running in wine |
| 23:08.50 | doughecka | SD |
| 23:08.50 | tech2k | yes |
| 23:08.56 | doughecka | cool |
| 23:09.12 | tech2k | it boots from the sd card which is formatted to ext2 |
| 23:09.20 | doughecka | sweet |
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| 23:30.38 | isr | hi folks - Ive got a dumb question (I know - Im embarressed allready). I'm trying to install the terminal - I've uploaded the .ipkg via qtopia desktop, and its now in 'Documents', but when I try to install packages, it cant find them. ANy ideas? (thanks in advance) |
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| 23:38.57 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 23:39.32 | isr | hi folks - Ive got a dumb question (I know - Im embarressed allready). I'm trying to install the terminal - I've uploaded the .ipkg via qtopia desktop, and its now in 'Documents', but when I try to install packages, it cant find them. ANy ideas? (thanks in advance) |
