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| 00:10.11 | ljp | hmmm |
| 00:10.26 | bzdoug | hmmm |
| 00:16.11 | ljp | hmm hmmmm |
| 00:16.39 | bzdoug | hrm |
| 00:18.18 | ljp | people need to wake up in here |
| 00:20.27 | pHluid | goddamn kids |
| 00:20.38 | pHluid | with your rock music and your hair |
| 00:20.45 | bzdoug | I dont do that |
| 00:21.32 | treke | ljp: get a haircut |
| 00:21.39 | treke | bzdoug: hang yourself |
| 00:21.48 | bzdoug | sure |
| 00:21.52 | bzdoug | lemme find that rope |
| 00:23.18 | bzdoug | too late |
| 00:23.19 | ljp | bleh |
| 00:23.24 | ljp | bbeeeeatttch |
| 00:23.28 | ljp | ibot: treke |
| 00:23.29 | | rumour has it, treke is Greg Gilbert <greg@treke.net>, or a goon |
| 00:23.58 | ljp | ibot: treke is also a goon with no life, and no neck |
| 00:23.59 | | okay, ljp |
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| 00:25.08 | bzdoug | ur a goon |
| 00:25.12 | bzdoug | ~treke |
| 00:25.13 | | i heard treke is Greg Gilbert <greg@treke.net>, or a goon, or a goon with no life, and no neck |
| 00:25.19 | bzdoug | ibot says so |
| 00:25.20 | | bzdoug: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:25.31 | bzdoug | ooh, something changed it |
| 00:26.42 | treke | hey I have a life |
| 00:26.57 | treke | now its actually right about the goon with no neck. but I do have a life |
| 00:27.23 | bzdoug | no neck? |
| 00:28.29 | ljp | hey, I just got spam sent back in Jan 2002! wow, that email service is really declining! |
| 00:28.46 | bzdoug | haha |
| 00:29.12 | ljp | dont even think of it |
| 00:29.18 | bzdoug | cowboy |
| 00:29.28 | treke | woyou dont want an extra hundred messages? |
| 00:29.39 | bzdoug | maybe he has spam filters |
| 00:29.39 | ljp | nope |
| 00:30.01 | treke | bzdoug: this is a good way to test them |
| 00:30.14 | bzdoug | cool! |
| 00:30.14 | bzdoug | :P |
| 00:30.36 | ljp | beatch, dont even think of it |
| 00:31.19 | treke | ok I wont |
| 00:31.40 | bzdoug | but he does anyway |
| 00:31.48 | treke | instead I'll forward my enlightenment-devel archives dating back to Jull 2000 |
| 00:31.56 | bzdoug | haaaa |
| 00:33.26 | ljp | and I'll subscribe you to kernel-devel |
| 00:33.33 | treke | I can take it |
| 00:33.38 | treke | I have the power of procmail |
| 00:33.40 | bzdoug | lol |
| 00:34.18 | ljp | ok, then, I'll subscribe you to gay-midgets-on-lsd |
| 00:34.34 | bzdoug | I have the power of Outlook! |
| 00:34.35 | treke | already on it |
| 00:34.41 | ljp | freak |
| 00:34.44 | bzdoug | doh |
| 00:34.49 | treke | ljp: me or bzdoug ? |
| 00:34.57 | ljp | both |
| 00:34.58 | ljp | ;) |
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| 00:36.55 | bzdoug | noooo |
| 00:36.57 | bzdoug | not him1 |
| 00:37.03 | sonix` | me? |
| 00:37.10 | sonix` | Mr Nice Guy? |
| 00:37.25 | bzdoug | no |
| 00:37.25 | bzdoug | I was practicing |
| 00:37.32 | ljp | bx: your making people paranoid |
| 00:37.37 | ljp | err bz |
| 00:37.51 | bzdoug | I AM THE PARANOID ANDROID! |
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| 00:38.40 | ljp | caps lock, dude |
| 00:38.40 | bzdoug | noooo, not him!! |
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| 00:38.48 | f_Z | I'm the same person.... |
| 00:38.50 | f_Z | freak! |
| 00:38.51 | f_Z | hahahahaha |
| 00:38.52 | bzdoug | ljp: stuck shift key |
| 00:39.05 | bzdoug | f_Z: practicing |
| 00:39.09 | f_Z | [08:37] <bzdoug> noooo |
| 00:39.17 | f_Z | [08:37] <bzdoug> I was practicing |
| 00:39.28 | ljp | no your not, you are logged in as a different user at the same ip |
| 00:39.41 | sonix` | who u talkin to ljp? |
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| 00:39.54 | ljp | f_z/somix |
| 00:39.57 | ljp | sonix |
| 00:40.12 | sonix` | f_z? |
| 00:41.05 | ljp | sonix` (~asdsadasd@pcp03281031pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) has joined #zaurus |
| 00:41.16 | ljp | f_Z (~zChat@pcp03281031pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) has joined #zaurus |
| 00:44.33 | sonix` | [08:39] <f_Z> I'm the same person.... |
| 00:44.37 | sonix` | I was being Facetious! |
| 00:44.43 | sonix` | but I guess I suck at it |
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| 00:45.04 | ljp | your not, you were being a different user! |
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| 01:06.47 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 01:07.43 | bzdoug | warmi the worm |
| 01:08.08 | mutexer | warmi: hey, how did you handle the battery popups etc on PPC with your app? |
| 01:09.13 | ljp | hmmm |
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| 01:15.14 | tux_mike | woot! i'm up to 20 in my army |
| 01:15.23 | bzdoug | ? |
| 01:16.39 | tux_mike | kings of chaos |
| 01:16.45 | tux_mike | i got dragged into it |
| 01:16.48 | bzdoug | ah |
| 01:16.49 | bzdoug | whats that? |
| 01:17.00 | tux_mike | a web based game |
| 01:17.02 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 01:17.04 | bzdoug | free? |
| 01:17.07 | tux_mike | yah |
| 01:17.12 | bzdoug | cool |
| 01:17.14 | bzdoug | link? |
| 01:17.26 | tux_mike | i can msg you my link |
| 01:17.32 | bzdoug | ah |
| 01:18.24 | tux_mike | technically posting on irc is forbidden, but i think pm in interested parties is allowed |
| 01:18.34 | bzdoug | oh |
| 01:18.37 | bzdoug | thats why |
| 01:18.38 | bzdoug | :) |
| 01:18.44 | tux_mike | if you want, you can sign up under me :) |
| 01:18.52 | bzdoug | hah |
| 01:19.22 | tux_mike | cool cool |
| 01:19.37 | tux_mike | i'm already planning my next set of attacks |
| 01:19.45 | bzdoug | ;p; |
| 01:19.46 | bzdoug | lol |
| 01:19.56 | tux_mike | won't be til friday |
| 01:20.03 | tux_mike | need enough attack points |
| 01:20.23 | bzdoug | ah |
| 01:21.13 | tux_mike | subspace? |
| 01:21.22 | bzdoug | subspace.net |
| 01:21.26 | sharpie | subspace is cool, why did they change the name though |
| 01:21.32 | bzdoug | yea |
| 01:21.38 | bzdoug | easyer to speel |
| 01:21.39 | bzdoug | :P |
| 01:21.52 | sharpie | yea |
| 01:22.35 | ljp | kings of chaos sounds like a crackerz club |
| 01:24.06 | bzdoug | PORT BURST! |
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| 01:26.24 | tux_mike | lol |
| 01:26.38 | ljp | you cracking software these days? |
| 01:26.49 | bzdoug | spider needed! |
| 01:28.19 | tux_mike | all the time |
| 01:28.27 | ljp | tkc |
| 01:28.28 | tux_mike | i am a 1337 hax0r |
| 01:28.30 | ljp | heheheh |
| 01:29.05 | fishy | no |
| 01:29.18 | pHluid | holy shit |
| 01:29.18 | bipolar | ibot: seen kergoth? |
| 01:29.22 | | kergoth <~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 21h 58m 20s ago, saying: 'itll go how it goes'. |
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| 01:29.25 | pHluid | some sucker actually bought this PCMCIA card from me |
| 01:29.27 | pHluid | goddamn |
| 01:29.42 | fishy | | |2 73|-| 1337 |-|4><0|2 |
| 01:29.43 | bzdoug | what car? |
| 01:29.47 | bzdoug | card |
| 01:29.50 | fishy | :P |
| 01:29.53 | pHluid | Socket ethernet card |
| 01:30.04 | pHluid | I bought it by accident cause the damn thing was listed in the compact flash section |
| 01:30.07 | pHluid | but it's pcmcia |
| 01:30.09 | tux_mike | kerg isn't logged into my server (how he usually ircs) |
| 01:30.14 | pHluid | auctioned it back off for $12 more than I paid for it |
| 01:30.16 | pHluid | sucka! |
| 01:30.35 | bzdoug | haha |
| 01:30.37 | bzdoug | hahahaha |
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| 01:32.44 | sonix` | kergoth is at an interview |
| 01:32.50 | ljp | <warwick> Only 75% of employees wear shoes. I don't. |
| 01:33.05 | tux_mike | lol |
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| 01:33.54 | ljp | I guess TT in Au is fairly lax about dress code |
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| 01:34.16 | ZSpec | yay |
| 01:34.30 | Spec | opie-zaurus is so incredibly buggy |
| 01:34.42 | ljp | opie-zaurus? |
| 01:34.46 | Spec | errm... |
| 01:34.48 | Spec | opie-irc |
| 01:34.51 | treke | yes it is |
| 01:34.52 | Spec | sssh |
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| 01:35.06 | fishy | np ;) |
| 01:35.07 | aveng0 | anybody have the c700? |
| 01:35.12 | aveng0 | :) |
| 01:35.21 | fishy | lots of people here do |
| 01:35.25 | aveng0 | didn't know it was so popular |
| 01:35.33 | aveng0 | I'm wondering if I should buy it |
| 01:35.33 | bzdoug | it isnt |
| 01:35.38 | aveng0 | oh :) |
| 01:35.40 | sonix` | not quite as popular as j00 mama!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 01:35.42 | fishy | just among the developers here ;) |
| 01:35.49 | fishy | lol |
| 01:35.53 | aveng0 | funny stuff .... :) |
| 01:36.02 | fishy | aveng0, what would you need it fot |
| 01:36.04 | fishy | for* |
| 01:36.25 | aveng0 | I guess to use as a portable computer. |
| 01:36.32 | aveng0 | my laptop is too big and old :) |
| 01:36.40 | aveng0 | i'm not sure if it's the right thing though |
| 01:37.01 | fishy | if you have $1400 |
| 01:37.08 | bzdoug | 500 |
| 01:37.17 | aveng0 | hmm. |
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| 01:37.27 | ZSpec | zic rox |
| 01:37.37 | fishy | http://shop.conics.net/laptop/sharp/h3w/pics/h1w-left-big.jpg |
| 01:37.56 | fishy | aveng0, ^^^, if you have $1400 to spend |
| 01:38.08 | fishy | I'd say thats much nicer than a zaurus |
| 01:38.10 | aveng0 | what is it |
| 01:38.15 | fishy | a laptop |
| 01:38.18 | sonix` | wowzers |
| 01:38.20 | sonix` | nice |
| 01:38.20 | _Psycho | c700 own |
| 01:38.24 | fishy | super thin |
| 01:38.26 | _Psycho | nuff said ! |
| 01:38.30 | aveng0 | ah |
| 01:38.41 | fishy | I picked one up yesterday |
| 01:38.44 | fishy | it was so light... |
| 01:38.56 | sonix` | http://shop.conics.net/laptop/sharp/h3w/h3w.html |
| 01:38.57 | aveng0 | heh nice |
| 01:39.18 | fishy | sonix, its also avaible in america now |
| 01:39.39 | aveng0 | wow really nice |
| 01:40.01 | aveng0 | too bad i dont have the money :/ |
| 01:40.09 | fishy | yea :/ |
| 01:40.18 | aveng0 | hm |
| 01:41.08 | aveng0 | so what's the c700 like? |
| 01:41.35 | sonix` | aveng0 http://shop.conics.net/ |
| 01:41.36 | Spec | Rather sexy. |
| 01:41.45 | sonix` | I dare to differ. |
| 01:41.49 | fishy | im gonna get a c700 in a few weeks :) |
| 01:42.02 | sonix` | i like my 5600 berrer |
| 01:42.10 | sonix` | slap a pxa255 then i'll get a c700 |
| 01:42.11 | fishy | aveng0, if you want a PDA, no denying its the best... |
| 01:42.20 | fishy | sonix, cuz its slower |
| 01:42.21 | fishy | ? |
| 01:42.26 | sonix` | pxa255 is faster |
| 01:42.34 | sonix` | faster bus |
| 01:42.41 | sonix` | same speed as pxa250 |
| 01:42.42 | fishy | I mean 5600>700 because c700 is slower? |
| 01:42.54 | aveng0 | i really want a linux pda :) |
| 01:42.54 | sonix` | no |
| 01:43.01 | sonix` | I just like the design of the 5600 better |
| 01:43.14 | Spec | You can put linux on the ipod...but then it sucks |
| 01:43.19 | aveng0 | haha |
| 01:43.27 | _Psycho | c700 just own everything |
| 01:43.30 | aveng0 | how is conics.net so much cheaper than dynamism? |
| 01:43.46 | treke | aveng0: they dont mark their price up as much |
| 01:43.49 | fishy | ya |
| 01:43.52 | aveng0 | ah |
| 01:43.56 | aveng0 | a lot lower too |
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| 01:44.06 | _Psycho | no english conversion |
| 01:44.11 | _Psycho | not like it matter anyway |
| 01:44.17 | sonix` | yeah there is |
| 01:44.19 | treke | _Psycho: not like that matters to the price |
| 01:44.21 | sonix` | dynacism (sp?) |
| 01:44.22 | sonix` | has it |
| 01:44.28 | _Psycho | yeah |
| 01:44.36 | _Psycho | i mean better take it on conics.net |
| 01:44.39 | _Psycho | like i did :) |
| 01:44.44 | treke | the c700 is around 500 in japan I think |
| 01:45.08 | aveng0 | _Psycho: can you download the english packages if you dont get dynamism's? |
| 01:45.09 | _Psycho | yep |
| 01:45.24 | _Psycho | you can just edit the locale.conf file and put en in it, its not perfect thought |
| 01:45.30 | _Psycho | but i use OZ with opie anyway |
| 01:45.32 | aveng0 | ah.. ok |
| 01:45.55 | _Psycho | sec |
| 01:46.58 | _Psycho | like check the pictures on conics: http://shop.conics.net/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/images and some screenshots: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700 and mine at http://199.243.181.199/c700 |
| 01:47.08 | _Psycho | ibot c700 |
| 01:47.09 | | i heard c700 is http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus2003/, or http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/ |
| 01:47.30 | fishy | _psycho, http://199.243.181.199/c700 |
| 01:47.32 | fishy | bad link |
| 01:47.34 | _Psycho | ibot: c700 is also http://shop.conics.net/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/images |
| 01:47.34 | | okay, _Psycho |
| 01:47.40 | _Psycho | oups i did a typo |
| 01:47.48 | _Psycho | its wait a sec :) forgot my own ip at work |
| 01:47.52 | _Psycho | 195 :) |
| 01:48.06 | _Psycho | http://195.243.181.199/c700 |
| 01:48.17 | sonix` | i must say, those pics are mighty fine. |
| 01:48.20 | _Psycho | bleh i suck tonight |
| 01:48.26 | sonix` | teh c700 runs the 400xscale right? |
| 01:48.35 | treke | yes |
| 01:48.52 | sonix` | only lower battery capacity and better graphics is the difference? |
| 01:48.55 | sonix` | and cheaper price. |
| 01:49.14 | _Psycho | sonix yes the screen own a LOTS thought |
| 01:49.24 | sonix` | i might return my Z |
| 01:49.26 | sonix` | we'll see |
| 01:49.44 | _Psycho | http://199.243.181.195/c700/ |
| 01:49.48 | _Psycho | hehe there it is |
| 01:50.02 | _Psycho | check like opie...png |
| 01:50.33 | _Psycho | the sc_... ones are konqueror |
| 01:50.34 | _Psycho | anyway |
| 01:50.34 | sonix` | _Psycho is the development for it the same as for the Z5600? |
| 01:50.48 | _Psycho | I think so /shrug |
| 01:50.56 | _Psycho | im not a developper expert but i think yes |
| 01:51.07 | sonix` | thats where kergoth is having trouble |
| 01:51.15 | sonix` | he thought the two were pretty much identical |
| 01:51.28 | _Psycho | well he is having problem wit the flash thing no ? |
| 01:51.33 | _Psycho | yeah |
| 01:51.33 | tux_mike | man, i want a c700 now |
| 01:52.08 | aveng0 | _Psycho: do you have a 802.11b card? |
| 01:52.09 | sonix` | heh |
| 01:52.11 | aveng0 | in the c700 |
| 01:52.18 | _Psycho | yeah WCF12 linksys |
| 01:52.26 | aveng0 | does it drain the battery? |
| 01:52.30 | _Psycho | not integrate |
| 01:52.34 | aveng0 | yeah i know |
| 01:52.52 | fishy | bbl |
| 01:53.09 | _Psycho | it drain the battery like mad |
| 01:53.16 | aveng0 | ah |
| 01:53.17 | _Psycho | i have to cnnect the ac adaptor kinda |
| 01:53.20 | _Psycho | suck for that |
| 01:53.21 | fishy | l |
| 01:53.22 | aveng0 | ok |
| 01:53.25 | fishy | LOL |
| 01:53.38 | fishy | is that socket lan card better? |
| 01:54.00 | _Psycho | i would need to fit a 5600 battery in it or buy one of there DPS9000 battery v5 that last liek 12h ;) |
| 01:54.04 | _Psycho | yeah i heard |
| 01:54.08 | _Psycho | but never tried one so i dont know |
| 01:54.16 | _Psycho | lower power comsuption in thoery |
| 01:54.48 | _Psycho | aveng0 anyway, i love my c700 a lots, no way i want anything else atm |
| 01:54.55 | aveng0 | _Psycho: cool |
| 01:55.02 | _Psycho | with oz / opie it just own |
| 01:55.08 | _Psycho | most bugs are fixed now too |
| 01:55.09 | aveng0 | so the 5600 batteries last longer than the c700s? |
| 01:55.14 | _Psycho | yeah |
| 01:55.16 | _Psycho | bigger battery |
| 01:55.26 | _Psycho | c700 kerboard work very good |
| 01:55.37 | aveng0 | ok |
| 01:56.29 | _Psycho | the screen resolution 640x480 is like so nice |
| 01:56.36 | _Psycho | doesnt work great under sunlight thought |
| 01:56.43 | _Psycho | but its bright and clean |
| 01:57.06 | _Psycho | i bought it at conics.net |
| 01:57.09 | aveng0 | cool.. |
| 01:57.14 | aveng0 | what about connecting with a linux box? |
| 01:57.18 | _Psycho | took 3 days from japan to canada |
| 01:57.33 | aveng0 | that's good... i'm in canada |
| 01:57.43 | _Psycho | well i dont connect it much yet, im still testing stuff. I just use wireless usually or the SD card with my reader |
| 01:57.54 | _Psycho | usb supposed to work |
| 01:57.59 | _Psycho | never really tested yet ;) |
| 01:58.06 | aveng0 | ok... i'm sure it works anyways |
| 01:58.08 | _Psycho | probably next image i can build |
| 01:58.20 | aveng0 | how do you transfer images? |
| 01:58.24 | _Psycho | OZ still have some bugs, but most stuff work fine now |
| 01:58.44 | _Psycho | SD card (usb reader plugged on my pc), or just wireless it over |
| 01:58.44 | ivan | yeah, like the fatal cradle crashing bug where the Z crashes if you resume it in the cradle |
| 01:58.53 | _Psycho | i flash with my SD card |
| 01:58.54 | ivan | is that fixed yet? |
| 01:58.54 | aveng0 | ah |
| 01:59.05 | absentia2 | why dp people keep saying cradle? |
| 01:59.06 | _Psycho | ivan, c700 doesnt have a cradle |
| 01:59.10 | absentia2 | I didn't get a cradle with my c700 |
| 01:59.16 | _Psycho | absentia 5500 have a cradle |
| 01:59.24 | ivan | oh didn't know you were talking about c700 |
| 01:59.38 | aveng0 | _Psycho: oh you're in montreal too :) |
| 01:59.46 | _Psycho | yes |
| 01:59.55 | absentia2 | <-- nyc |
| 01:59.56 | _Psycho | wanna see my c700 ? |
| 02:00.02 | aveng0 | sure! :) |
| 02:00.49 | _Psycho | i broke the oriignal stylus, i just bought a tungtend one, doesnt fit bad |
| 02:00.52 | _Psycho | well |
| 02:00.58 | _Psycho | i work during the day so |
| 02:01.01 | _Psycho | probably a night or something |
| 02:01.19 | absentia2 | does it work? |
| 02:01.20 | _Psycho | I live like st-zotique / louis-hebert |
| 02:01.25 | absentia2 | I broke my stylus too |
| 02:01.33 | aveng0 | ahh i don't even know where that is |
| 02:01.53 | _Psycho | absentia quite good, just like 2-3mm longer, i might be able to make it fit better, else its perfect, lock inside good etc |
| 02:02.06 | absentia2 | how much ? |
| 02:02.17 | _Psycho | 10$ per stylus (canadian) so probably like 7$ us |
| 02:02.23 | _Psycho | was 30$ CAD for 3 |
| 02:02.29 | absentia2 | k |
| 02:02.33 | _Psycho | aveng0 where do you live ? |
| 02:02.59 | _Psycho | i need a better digital camera, i could show you what i mean |
| 02:03.14 | aveng0 | westmount |
| 02:04.22 | _Psycho | ah not too far |
| 02:04.44 | absentia2 | im wondering if I shuold reformat my sd |
| 02:04.46 | absentia2 | if that would help |
| 02:04.53 | absentia2 | I'm not sure fsck was doing anything |
| 02:05.25 | _Psycho | weird problem indeed abs |
| 02:05.28 | _Psycho | you tried reboot i guess ? |
| 02:05.39 | absentia2 | ya |
| 02:05.45 | absentia2 | I just flashed back to sharp |
| 02:05.53 | absentia2 | but I forgot how to install apps under sharp |
| 02:05.54 | absentia2 | :-< |
| 02:06.06 | absentia2 | I thought I could install there from the 3.2 stable feed |
| 02:06.09 | Spec | uhh |
| 02:06.11 | Spec | ipkg install (app) |
| 02:06.18 | Spec | :p |
| 02:06.23 | absentia2 | spec: it tells me .ipkg file not in gzip format |
| 02:06.24 | absentia2 | when it is |
| 02:06.31 | absentia2 | as they install under oz fine |
| 02:06.32 | Spec | something to do with zcat, right? |
| 02:06.39 | _Psycho | http://www.expansys.us/morepics.asp?code=104126 |
| 02:06.41 | _Psycho | check the picture |
| 02:06.42 | Spec | i get that error sometimes...it's odd |
| 02:06.53 | _Psycho | abs |
| 02:06.55 | Spec | Those are sexy styli(sp?) |
| 02:06.57 | _Psycho | thats what i bought |
| 02:06.57 | absentia2 | http://www.expansys.us/morepics.asp?code=104126 |
| 02:06.57 | ivan | how much slower is the 5600 than the 5500? |
| 02:07.08 | aveng0 | _Psycho: ah st. zotique is a street? |
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| 02:07.16 | _Psycho | aveng0 yeah in rosemont |
| 02:07.21 | aveng0 | _Psycho: ah ok |
| 02:07.39 | _Psycho | aveng0 ig you really wanna see it, we can probably meet somewhere whatever |
| 02:07.45 | _Psycho | you go out often ? |
| 02:07.48 | absentia2 | has anyone done any benchmarks ? |
| 02:07.48 | aveng0 | yeah of course |
| 02:08.00 | aveng0 | do you? |
| 02:08.04 | _Psycho | of course |
| 02:08.10 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o Neo|Laptop] by ChanServ |
| 02:08.19 | aveng0 | sometime this weekend maybe? |
| 02:08.31 | aveng0 | if i have any time |
| 02:08.38 | _Psycho | absentia, anyway the stylus are great, just like 3mm too long, you could either glue it or maybe there is a way to cut the plastic hehe |
| 02:08.44 | _Psycho | yeah maybe |
| 02:08.57 | _Psycho | going to the baloos friday, nothing saturday |
| 02:09.12 | aveng0 | the baloos? |
| 02:09.20 | _Psycho | ontario / st-denis ;) |
| 02:09.30 | _Psycho | depend what kind of club you go hehe |
| 02:09.50 | aveng0 | heh |
| 02:09.57 | aveng0 | i can stop by there maybe |
| 02:10.23 | aveng0 | which corner is it on? |
| 02:10.25 | _Psycho | im 25 years old and look normal ;) |
| 02:10.40 | _Psycho | its on ontario, by st-denis (I guess you know that part) |
| 02:10.50 | aveng0 | yeah, i've never seen it though |
| 02:11.17 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 02:11.21 | _Psycho | how old are you ? |
| 02:11.24 | aveng0 | 17 :) |
| 02:11.35 | _Psycho | shoudl fit :) |
| 02:11.42 | aveng0 | hahah |
| 02:11.42 | _Psycho | well depend if you look old or not hehe |
| 02:11.45 | chouimat | _Psycho: ? |
| 02:12.04 | aveng0 | yeah.. its ok, i go out often... you know how it is in montreal :) |
| 02:12.14 | _Psycho | yes choui ? |
| 02:12.22 | chouimat | aveng0: nope but I know Quebec City |
| 02:12.33 | aveng0 | ahh |
| 02:13.00 | Spec | how do i see what programs i have installed already? |
| 02:13.01 | Spec | ipkg list? |
| 02:13.02 | ivan | is there any word on when the zaurus SL-5600 will switch from the XScale PX-250 CPU to the PX-255, which fixes application slowdown on apps not optimized for xscale? |
| 02:13.24 | _Psycho | aveng0 already been to the saint-sulpice ? |
| 02:13.40 | aveng0 | _Psycho: no, but i heard its really nice |
| 02:13.48 | _Psycho | ah ok well its close to that |
| 02:13.50 | aveng0 | I'm usually aroud st. laurent |
| 02:13.53 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 02:13.57 | aveng0 | yeah.. i know where it is |
| 02:14.02 | _Psycho | been to the living last weekend was not bad |
| 02:14.06 | sonix` | ivan will that even happen? |
| 02:14.13 | ivan | maybe |
| 02:14.17 | chouimat | I prefer Grande-Allee :) |
| 02:14.17 | sonix` | i doubt it |
| 02:14.19 | aveng0 | cool |
| 02:14.25 | sonix` | sharp is kinda leaving us in the wild |
| 02:14.28 | sonix` | spencer is da man |
| 02:14.40 | ivan | sharp is doomed |
| 02:14.48 | aveng0 | so what kind of music do they have at baloos? |
| 02:14.59 | _Psycho | alternatif genre |
| 02:15.02 | ivan | sonix`: the only thing that concerns me is a divx player |
| 02:15.07 | aveng0 | ah ok |
| 02:15.07 | ivan | is there a free one optimized for xscale? |
| 02:15.22 | sonix` | havent come across a single divx player |
| 02:15.48 | Spec | yarg |
| 02:15.50 | Spec | i hate you ipkg |
| 02:15.53 | Spec | or rather, sharp rom |
| 02:15.56 | chouimat | _Psycho: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/canadastore.woa/71403/wo/Ki2BaByE0rv22KdOW7n1LUqXDer/0.3.0.5.19.1.3.1.1.0?369,50 |
| 02:16.23 | ivan | is sharp supposed to have better support for the c-700? |
| 02:16.29 | sonix` | heh |
| 02:16.30 | ivan | when it becomes available in the US |
| 02:16.37 | sonix` | whens that supposed to happen? |
| 02:16.50 | _Psycho | aveng0 anyway its just tuesdays and im always on the chat |
| 02:17.26 | _Psycho | chouimat i hate ipod, useless to me |
| 02:17.45 | chouimat | _Psycho: those are canadian price |
| 02:17.57 | _Psycho | didnt checked |
| 02:18.41 | aveng0 | _Psycho: alright, i'll be here too |
| 02:19.06 | _Psycho | aveng0 genre vendredi soir ou jeudi soir on checkera ca ici |
| 02:19.37 | aveng0 | sure thing |
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| 02:20.51 | ictyl | where can I find .puz or .tpz files for crossword? |
| 02:22.53 | ivan | does the c700 have the PX-255? |
| 02:22.55 | ivan | or the 250? |
| 02:23.52 | _Psycho | 250 rev4 |
| 02:23.59 | _Psycho | (v51) |
| 02:24.06 | ivan | is that the one with the clock bug? |
| 02:24.13 | _Psycho | yeah |
| 02:24.29 | _Psycho | i dont think any pda have a px-255 yet |
| 02:24.34 | _Psycho | probably still in production |
| 02:26.31 | Spec | Is there any way to get the Z to boot off of a nic? |
| 02:26.41 | absentia2 | re |
| 02:27.12 | Spec | re? |
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| 02:28.49 | Spec | so....boot...off...nic...Z....yes? |
| 02:28.57 | bzdoug | I don thinkt so |
| 02:30.55 | Spec | does OZ use a bootloader? |
| 02:31.06 | _Psycho | not yet |
| 02:31.10 | _Psycho | its planned in futur i believe |
| 02:31.45 | chouimat | Spec: no you need to enter every bytes of the image by hand before using OZ |
| 02:32.37 | Spec | chouimat....silence :p |
| 02:33.01 | Spec | http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/ |
| 02:35.34 | chouimat | ljp: anything new? |
| 02:36.25 | ljp | on...? |
| 02:36.41 | ljp | other than AU has high taxes? |
| 02:37.21 | ljp | flying to dallas on thursday |
| 02:39.33 | chouimat | ljp: ti? |
| 02:39.54 | ljp | ya. ya never know... |
| 02:40.16 | chouimat | ljp: ljp & kergoth working hand in hand in dallas ..... |
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| 02:40.38 | ljp | maybe |
| 02:41.03 | ljp | they'd have to offer a whole lot... |
| 02:41.20 | chouimat | ljp: don't I didn't applied |
| 02:41.27 | chouimat | add know |
| 02:41.38 | ljp | huh? |
| 02:41.48 | ljp | ohhh.. |
| 02:42.24 | chouimat | ljp: plane ticket for dallas are expensive |
| 02:42.37 | ljp | I mean, brisbane, barefoot office, maybe some travel, beach, water, surf... kinda tough to beat that |
| 02:42.54 | ljp | chouimat: TI paid for plane, car, motel |
| 02:43.13 | chouimat | ljp: dallas ... redneck, petroleum and cattle :) |
| 02:43.30 | chouimat | ljp: ok |
| 02:43.37 | ljp | hehehe yep |
| 02:43.58 | ljp | my bro said his buddy said Au is 'land of big boobs' |
| 02:45.03 | chouimat | ljp: Brisbane then :) |
| 02:45.48 | ljp | :) |
| 02:45.52 | absentia2 | sharp rom doesn't have an fsck ? |
| 02:46.00 | absentia2 | ah, /sbin |
| 02:47.12 | ljp | unless TI says, "$70,000, travel, car, & expense account" |
| 02:47.29 | absentia2 | ? |
| 02:47.42 | ljp | ;) |
| 02:47.55 | absentia2 | what do you do ? |
| 02:48.02 | absentia2 | ok, says not cleanly umounted |
| 02:48.08 | absentia2 | man.... if that's all that's locking up that device |
| 02:48.10 | absentia2 | that would be lame |
| 02:48.29 | ljp | right now, I am 1. waiting to maybe move to AU, or 2. waiting to move to dallas |
| 02:48.37 | absentia2 | man |
| 02:48.40 | absentia2 | tough choice. |
| 02:48.43 | absentia2 | are you a US citizen ? |
| 02:48.47 | ljp | yes |
| 02:48.58 | absentia2 | where are you from? where are you now ? |
| 02:49.04 | ljp | been to dallas. no beach, no surf. |
| 02:49.08 | ljp | colorado |
| 02:49.10 | chouimat | ljp: right now I looking for a good job annywhere |
| 02:49.12 | absentia2 | ah |
| 02:49.16 | absentia2 | I am from Santa Fe, NM |
| 02:49.27 | ljp | ahh, I love santa fe |
| 02:49.34 | ljp | always wanted to live there |
| 02:49.38 | absentia2 | I did.. 10 years |
| 02:49.45 | absentia2 | I schlepped back to nyc for a job |
| 02:49.48 | chouimat | ljp: I got 18C today wooooohooooooo |
| 02:49.52 | absentia2 | nm was pretty dry |
| 02:49.54 | absentia2 | h0h0h0 |
| 02:49.54 | ljp | hehehe |
| 02:50.11 | ljp | weatherbot: weather ybbn |
| 02:50.17 | ljp | its still borked |
| 02:50.26 | chouimat | ljp: yup |
| 02:50.32 | ljp | fix it! |
| 02:50.35 | ljp | ;) |
| 02:50.51 | ljp | comparing weather is fun |
| 02:52.19 | absentia2 | hmmm |
| 02:52.25 | absentia2 | paybe the programs are just slow.. scanning all the dirs |
| 02:52.29 | absentia2 | what a lame software |
| 02:52.40 | chouimat | ljp: give me a job and I will fix itt :) |
| 02:53.07 | ljp | hehe |
| 02:53.28 | absentia2 | I cant' believe it would take 15 minutes or more to scan 6000 files |
| 02:53.33 | absentia2 | something has to be up |
| 02:54.11 | absentia2 | anyone know how to trace a file/exec with sharp rom ? |
| 02:54.29 | ljp | trace? |
| 02:54.36 | absentia2 | ya |
| 02:54.43 | absentia2 | the mediaplayer is taking allthe cpu |
| 02:54.46 | absentia2 | I want to see what it's doing |
| 02:56.54 | chouimat | ljp: I'm wondering if I order one of those: http://www.cdworld.co.uk/mmcd/gbcd/#gp32 |
| 02:58.39 | Spec | So...anyone have any good ideas for booting a Z off the nic? :p |
| 02:58.41 | ljp | you dont have a job, how can you afford one? |
| 02:58.52 | Spec | and does diag mode do anything interesting? |
| 02:59.17 | chouimat | ljp: still have 4500CAD left |
| 03:00.39 | chouimat | ljp: I'm tired of doing contract |
| 03:02.11 | ljp | ahh.. TT is contract for first 6 months |
| 03:04.12 | chouimat | ljp: but in AU :) |
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| 03:05.12 | ljp | close to topless beaches |
| 03:05.32 | ljp | raster: you in Au? |
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| 03:07.11 | raster | ljp: yup |
| 03:07.13 | raster | gotta go |
| 03:07.14 | raster | lunch |
| 03:07.33 | heatxsink | anyone in here running bluetooth? |
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| 03:18.10 | CodeYoddler | What are some good games for Zaurus |
| 03:18.51 | ZSpec | DDDDOOOOOOMMMMM |
| 03:19.18 | ZSpec | Quake is out...but i get a weird error msg |
| 03:19.24 | ZSpec | doom rocks |
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| 03:19.35 | CodeYoddler | Any other good games? |
| 03:19.39 | ZSpec | and chess :p |
| 03:19.52 | ZSpec | there are thousands of games :p |
| 03:21.42 | tech2k | anyone running "pocket workstation" debian arm on the zaurus?? |
| 03:22.49 | tech2k | thats my game....i just installed it last night..it rox :) |
| 03:24.18 | ZSpec | i just want a bootloader and/or a way to boot off a nic :p |
| 03:24.27 | sonix` | ZSpec where did u get doom? |
| 03:24.33 | ZSpec | umm |
| 03:24.38 | tech2k | etherboot huh :) |
| 03:24.44 | ZSpec | google for ZaurusDoom |
| 03:24.57 | ZSpec | yeah, LTSP :p |
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| 03:25.09 | ljp | google schmoogle |
| 03:25.16 | ljp | TimRiker: heelo |
| 03:25.20 | ZSpec | think it'd work if we pass all the modules? |
| 03:25.20 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 03:25.35 | TimRiker | froogle google |
| 03:26.16 | chouimat | hi TimRiker |
| 03:26.25 | ljp | looks like I visit dallas on Friday |
| 03:26.35 | TimRiker | yep. got you on my schedule. |
| 03:27.04 | ZSpec | good thing they have cows there |
| 03:27.08 | chouimat | ljp: I wish you good luck for friday :) |
| 03:27.15 | ljp | thx |
| 03:30.02 | TimRiker | someone you know is here tomorrow. ;-] |
| 03:30.06 | ZSpec | shoot |
| 03:30.11 | chouimat|Zzzz | TimRiker: kergy? |
| 03:30.35 | TimRiker | hmm... my shift and ctrl keys are dead under x. any idea how to wake them up/ |
| 03:30.36 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 03:30.46 | TimRiker | chouimat|Zzzz: yepper |
| 03:31.01 | ZSpec | Is there a gui frontend for GnuChess on the Z? |
| 03:31.04 | ivan | does tkc software use its own graphic toolkit? |
| 03:31.13 | ljp | they'd better hire him, he's getting to be real cranky working in tech support ;) |
| 03:31.14 | chouimat|Zzzz | TimRiker: to bad my spoken english is worse than my irc english |
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| 03:31.32 | chouimat|Zzzz | ljp: hehe |
| 03:32.13 | TimRiker | good coding and willing to move to dallas is more important than good speking skills. ;-] |
| 03:32.24 | ivan | _Psycho: Tungsten C already runs PX-255 |
| 03:32.28 | ljp | hmmmm.. |
| 03:32.43 | TimRiker | heh speking.... |
| 03:33.01 | chouimat|Zzzz | TimRiker: really? |
| 03:33.26 | ljp | chouimat|Zzzz: you'd move to dallas? |
| 03:33.39 | chouimat|Zzzz | ljp: If I can keep my cat ... |
| 03:33.46 | ljp | grrrrrrr |
| 03:33.53 | chouimat|Zzzz | ljp: ? |
| 03:34.12 | ljp | ;) |
| 03:34.32 | ljp | if I take that TT job, it would be difficult to keep my cat' |
| 03:34.39 | ljp | :) |
| 03:34.42 | chouimat|Zzzz | ljp: I ask my mother if there is some open job in switzerland for me |
| 03:34.53 | ljp | she from there? |
| 03:35.12 | chouimat|Zzzz | ljp: no she work in lausanne, she's a nurse |
| 03:35.29 | sonix` | Zurich = Switzerland |
| 03:35.32 | sonix` | Munich = Germany |
| 03:35.33 | sonix` | correct? |
| 03:35.37 | chouimat|Zzzz | yup |
| 03:35.43 | sonix` | i always screw them up |
| 03:35.43 | CodeYoddler | Seattle = USA |
| 03:35.49 | ljp | hehe |
| 03:35.52 | sonix` | Big Cock = sonix |
| 03:35.58 | ljp | Dallas = Texas |
| 03:36.02 | chouimat|Zzzz | sonix`: Quebec City == Canada |
| 03:36.11 | CodeYoddler | Shitty Team = Lakers |
| 03:36.26 | sonix` | Zaurus = Man Lovin' |
| 03:36.44 | chouimat|Zzzz | CodeYoddler: ass hole team == Montreal Canadien :) |
| 03:36.50 | sonix` | oooooh! |
| 03:36.59 | CodeYoddler | Canadians, heh |
| 03:37.03 | sonix` | eh. |
| 03:37.06 | sonix` | eh? |
| 03:37.07 | sonix` | eh. |
| 03:37.13 | CodeYoddler | Aae mate. |
| 03:37.30 | chouimat|Zzzz | É |
| 03:37.35 | chouimat|Zzzz | ? |
| 03:37.45 | ljp | take off you hoser, eh? |
| 03:38.01 | sonix` | peace out homies. |
| 03:38.12 | ljp | peace out?!? |
| 03:38.20 | ljp | wtf is peace out? |
| 03:38.29 | CodeYoddler | peace out |
| 03:38.31 | treke | you should know, you hippy |
| 03:38.33 | ZSpec | hah |
| 03:38.35 | CodeYoddler | peace out mate |
| 03:38.42 | ljp | I know space out |
| 03:38.44 | chouimat|Zzzz | TimRiker: don't be too hard on kergoth tomorrow :) |
| 03:38.46 | ZSpec | So, speking of canada... |
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| 03:39.06 | chouimat|Zzzz | ZSpec: yes? |
| 03:39.23 | ZSpec | I think "we" are getting the expos baseball team |
| 03:39.40 | ZSpec | DC/arlington USA/VA |
| 03:39.44 | chouimat|Zzzz | ZSpec: lol |
| 03:39.59 | TimRiker | chouimat|Zzzz: send me a resume. tim at ti.com |
| 03:40.03 | ZSpec | im serious :p |
| 03:40.12 | chouimat|Zzzz | ZSpec: good for you |
| 03:40.26 | chouimat|Zzzz | TimRiker: which version the french one or in english? |
| 03:40.28 | ZSpec | I need to get faster at this thumb board :p |
| 03:40.35 | chouimat|Zzzz | TimRiker: joking |
| 03:40.44 | ljp | must be in Texan |
| 03:41.03 | TimRiker | chouimat|Zzzz: heh |
| 03:41.18 | TimRiker | chouimat|Zzzz: ya'll betta be nice |
| 03:41.24 | ljp | hehee |
| 03:41.40 | mewyn | ugh |
| 03:41.47 | chouimat|Zzzz | TimRiker: a pdf is ok |
| 03:41.57 | ljp | prefered |
| 03:42.50 | TimRiker | chouimat|Zzzz: sure. |
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| 03:45.14 | ZSpec | yarg |
| 03:48.01 | ZSpec | 'knights' sells the binaries but gives the src out for free |
| 03:50.16 | ljp | ya, the maintainer of knights did quite a lot of work on portingit |
| 03:50.34 | treke | ZSpec: so buy the binaries |
| 03:50.37 | treke | ZSpec: or compile it |
| 03:50.39 | ZSpec | anyone can compile it though |
| 03:50.47 | treke | so? |
| 03:50.51 | ZSpec | if they aren't lazy |
| 03:50.57 | treke | people are lazy |
| 03:51.24 | ZSpec | Can't someone compile it and distribute it themselves for free? |
| 03:51.30 | treke | yes |
| 03:52.52 | heatxsink | what program are you talking about? |
| 03:52.56 | treke | knights |
| 03:52.57 | ljp | knightsa |
| 03:53.00 | ljp | knights |
| 03:53.05 | heatxsink | what is that? |
| 03:53.09 | ljp | chess |
| 03:53.12 | ZSpec | chess |
| 03:53.14 | heatxsink | damn |
| 03:53.37 | ZSpec | i cant easily search for the package though :p |
| 03:53.57 | treke | ZSpec: sounds like a personal problem :) |
| 03:54.03 | treke | took me less than a minute to find a copy |
| 03:55.00 | ZSpec | Im on the Zaurus... :p |
| 03:55.23 | ZSpec | and i'm slowly searching :p |
| 03:57.07 | ljp | whats a zaurus? |
| 03:58.54 | ZSpec | a backend gui for a bovine |
| 04:01.59 | chouimat|Zzzz | TimRiker: I will send you the resume tomorrow morning I have some correction to make to it |
| 04:06.09 | TimRiker | ok, cool. where are you located, and would you move to dallas tx |
| 04:06.17 | TimRiker | brb |
| 04:11.26 | ivan | is it worth getting a 5600 even though almost all apps will run half speed? |
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| 04:20.21 | warmi | half speed ? |
| 04:20.39 | absentia2 | why do peple keep saying that |
| 04:20.43 | absentia2 | where are these benchmarks ? |
| 04:21.28 | warmi | well, they do run at half speed considering that 5600 has 400 MHZ cpu |
| 04:21.32 | warmi | :-) |
| 04:22.52 | warmi | basically most of the games at least will run at around 5500 speeds |
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| 04:26.28 | ivan | absentia2: non-xscale optimized programs run at around 200mhz with the PX-250 proc, but it's fixed in PX-255, which is only used in Tungsten C |
| 04:26.40 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 04:26.43 | absentia2 | non optimized? |
| 04:26.46 | absentia2 | gcvc optimizes |
| 04:26.49 | absentia2 | gcc3 |
| 04:27.00 | ivan | yeah, they're compiled for intel ARM version 4 |
| 04:27.23 | warmi | hi mewyn |
| 04:27.41 | mewyn | warmi: my email has been silent :/ |
| 04:28.19 | warmi | mewyn : yeah, I know |
| 04:29.36 | jshare__ | anybody in hear read the mailing list? |
| 04:30.04 | absentia2 | I tried to sign up |
| 04:30.16 | jshare__ | I'm almost certain that Mark 7 guy is a troll |
| 04:30.27 | absentia2 | what did he day? |
| 04:30.34 | jshare__ | and am looking for a second opinion |
| 04:31.46 | absentia2 | wwhat did he say ? |
| 04:31.50 | jshare__ | looking |
| 04:32.36 | jshare__ | hmm |
| 04:32.42 | jshare__ | the sf mailing list archives aren't current |
| 04:32.57 | absentia2 | yup |
| 04:33.15 | jshare__ | so ic an't give you a link |
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| 04:33.36 | jshare__ | but basically, he's claiming that he thought "VNC" was some sort of version control software, a la CVS |
| 04:33.50 | jshare__ | and it's either to troll |
| 04:34.01 | absentia2 | ya |
| 04:34.04 | absentia2 | could just be mistaken |
| 04:34.05 | absentia2 | to me |
| 04:34.11 | absentia2 | OPIE is one time passwords in everthing |
| 04:34.13 | absentia2 | etc |
| 04:34.14 | jshare__ | or to try to not look like an asshole for flaming someone when they said that they were seing opie desktop on their laptop |
| 04:34.18 | absentia2 | vnc is virtual network computing |
| 04:34.32 | absentia2 | ya |
| 04:34.35 | absentia2 | vnc server on the opie |
| 04:34.40 | jshare__ | i know |
| 04:34.43 | jshare__ | the thing was |
| 04:34.47 | jshare__ | the flame was posted in a thread |
| 04:34.59 | jshare__ | *about* the fbvncserver |
| 04:35.08 | absentia2 | well |
| 04:35.09 | absentia2 | not everyone knows |
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| 04:35.42 | absentia2 | night |
| 04:35.50 | jshare__ | but it was in a thread /about/ the vnc server |
| 04:35.56 | jshare__ | why would he post, if he didn't know/ |
| 04:35.57 | jshare__ | ? |
| 04:35.57 | absentia2 | hey |
| 04:36.06 | absentia2 | I'm not always the quickest on picking up things either |
| 04:36.11 | jshare__ | but why would he post? |
| 04:36.21 | absentia2 | think think, click click? |
| 04:36.22 | jshare__ | especially something like this: |
| 04:36.24 | absentia2 | maybe he's imparied? |
| 04:36.28 | jshare__ | 01,9901You can see the Opie desktop on your *LAPTOP*??? |
| 04:36.28 | jshare__ | How in the *world* can you do that? I've never heard of such a thing!01,99 |
| 04:36.46 | jshare__ | in the goddamn thread about the very software that allows this. |
| 04:36.48 | absentia2 | ya |
| 04:36.50 | absentia2 | I heard.. |
| 04:36.52 | absentia2 | so what |
| 04:36.52 | absentia2 | move on |
| 04:37.08 | jshare__ | you're right |
| 04:37.17 | jshare__ | i'm just falling into his trollish clutches |
| 04:37.51 | jshare__ | i was all excited to think that there could be such an idiot, so I am disappointed that he turned out to be a troll |
| 04:38.11 | jshare__ | so then, i think "Oh, but maybe he's actually an idiot after all." |
| 04:38.13 | jshare__ | but I am wrong. |
| 04:39.34 | jumpkick | er... I think AQPackage just toasted my busybox (running testing)... :( |
| 04:40.00 | absentia2 | true |
| 04:41.39 | jumpkick | good thing I put links on there... i can browse the FS with that... :) |
| 04:44.47 | jumpkick | woot! mc can symlink |
| 04:44.55 | absentia2 | ? |
| 04:45.45 | jumpkick | my busybox got messed |
| 04:45.54 | jumpkick | upgrade failed or something... |
| 04:46.09 | mewyn | so all your links to busybox are toast? |
| 04:46.12 | jumpkick | deleted important symlinks like ln, cp, etc |
| 04:46.19 | jumpkick | they were |
| 04:46.30 | jumpkick | but Midnight Commander saved my butt |
| 04:46.53 | jumpkick | mc did ln -s /bin/busybox /bin/ln |
| 04:47.14 | jumpkick | so I could ln -s busybox ls and cp |
| 04:47.43 | mewyn | you could have renamed busybox ln |
| 04:48.22 | jumpkick | right after I did ln -s /bin/busybox mv, right? |
| 04:48.35 | mewyn | or not :) |
| 04:48.58 | jumpkick | :) |
| 04:51.22 | jumpkick | hmm... missing something |
| 04:51.34 | jumpkick | I get: [: No such file or directory |
| 04:52.06 | jumpkick | if [ -e $locate_conf ] ; then |
| 04:52.06 | jumpkick | from this line: if [ -e $locate_conf ] ; then |
| 04:52.23 | jumpkick | is there a symlink from busybox to [ ? |
| 04:52.29 | treke|home | yes |
| 04:52.35 | jumpkick | ] too? |
| 04:52.41 | treke|home | no |
| 04:52.54 | jumpkick | cool thanks |
| 04:53.07 | treke|home | there is not supposed to be a ] sym link |
| 04:54.30 | jumpkick | kk... I'm seeing if my locate DB has all the symlinks I lost in /bin... |
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| 05:00.41 | TimRiker | anyone have a tiny C compiler for the Z? what other programming tools are are small and popular? python? |
| 05:02.26 | absentia2 | yes, I have gcc, perl... there's python ... etc |
| 05:02.28 | absentia2 | night |
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| 05:03.16 | NeoTron | TimRiker: zgcc is the only afaik |
| 05:03.24 | NeoTron | not tiny though - it's a normal gcc... |
| 05:03.39 | NeoTron | other than that i'd say java.. |
| 05:04.03 | jumpkick | TimRiker: I understand you can cross compile from Cygwin or regular linux |
| 05:04.20 | TimRiker | jumpkick: yes, I'm looking for something to use right on the device. |
| 05:04.35 | TimRiker | there is a python package, but I've not yet tried it. |
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| 05:05.26 | jumpkick | it works... I only playe with in the console though |
| 05:06.05 | heatxsink | anyone install a bluetooth card sucessfully |
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| 05:35.50 | sjborch | ~lart tech2k |
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| 06:13.35 | gaurdian | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
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| 07:05.46 | ChipX86|Coding | hey kendrick |
| 07:05.49 | kendrick | re |
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| 07:27.36 | mutexer | NeoTron: I finally got the system messages sorted |
| 07:27.57 | NeoTron | mutexer: cool, send me a mail with what you came up with. :-) |
| 07:28.12 | mutexer | they send a INACTIVE message.. but when you maximize again it also sends a INACTIVE message |
| 07:28.18 | mutexer | well thats about the gist of it :) |
| 07:28.55 | mutexer | case WM_ACTIVATE: |
| 07:28.55 | mutexer | if (LOWORD(wParam) == WA_INACTIVE) { |
| 07:29.03 | mutexer | thats all you need to know |
| 07:29.32 | mutexer | just need to throw in some logic so you dont reminimize or whatever when it throws the INACTIVE when your maximizing |
| 07:29.37 | NeoTron | ah, yes, I had that already |
| 07:29.49 | NeoTron | I did mention ACTIVATE when you first asked. :) |
| 07:30.01 | mutexer | yeah.. but it wasnt working right :) |
| 07:30.12 | mutexer | I kept on and on.. finally figured out what I needed to do |
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| 12:46.11 | dr_bitz | Greetings |
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| 13:04.07 | dr_bitz | Hey, I'm having problems with my wireless card and using DHCP with my work's WAP, anyone experience something like this |
| 13:04.28 | dr_bitz | Sometimes it comes up, and I get an IP, other times I just have eth0 with no IP |
| 13:04.46 | bzdoug | huh |
| 13:04.49 | dr_bitz | Using the wlanmon, I can see that signal strength is there (no great, but there) |
| 13:05.05 | bzdoug | I dont use wireless, so I dont know |
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| 13:33.39 | dr_bitz | anyone out there have experience with the dhcp client on the Sharp ROM? |
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| 13:37.11 | CuCullin | I've used dhcp with wireless, on my home network though, thats about it |
| 13:37.33 | geordieboozer | works fine for me with openzaurus |
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| 14:03.57 | dr_bitz | Well, home, work. Doesn't really matter. I already have the WAP settings including WEP key from our IT people |
| 14:04.22 | dr_bitz | I had it working yesterday for a while (just go the Wireless card yesterday) |
| 14:04.32 | dr_bitz | then rebooted for a different reason and |
| 14:04.41 | dr_bitz | poof! it doesn't work anymore |
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| 14:16.32 | absentia | I have never been able to get my wcf12 linksys wireless card to work |
| 14:16.42 | absentia | any everyone else just says "mine works" |
| 14:16.43 | absentia | etc |
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| 14:17.36 | dr_bitz | Well, I did have to do some gyrations to get the card recognized by the Zaurus |
| 14:17.40 | Spec | *grumbles* |
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| 14:17.54 | dr_bitz | But now just problems getting a damn IP to setup a route with |
| 14:18.15 | Spec | zcat: phalanx_etc: not in gzip format zcat: stdin: unexpected end of file, ipkg_install_file: ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz from phalanx_22-1_arm.ipk |
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| 14:18.48 | Spec | Any know what that means? |
| 14:18.48 | absentia | I had an sd with 480mb on it |
| 14:18.49 | absentia | worked fine |
| 14:18.55 | absentia | thenb I flashed back to sharp, worked fine |
| 14:19.10 | absentia | then I flashed back to oz and the card would cause opie to LOCK up... well, at least the app that was scanning it, or something |
| 14:19.15 | absentia | I did an fsck, no problems, still locked up |
| 14:19.19 | absentia | I went back to sharp, still locked up |
| 14:19.24 | absentia | I went back to oz. |
| 14:19.37 | absentia | I could ssh (telnet) in... and could access the sd, but the app accessing it would lock |
| 14:19.47 | absentia | ie: media player under sharp, and just inserting under oz |
| 14:19.52 | absentia | I reformatted the thing |
| 14:19.53 | absentia | :-< |
| 14:20.12 | dr_bitz | absentia: that sucks |
| 14:21.11 | Spec | I think OZ had to have a speical patch for SM cards |
| 14:21.16 | Spec | or something along that line |
| 14:22.50 | geordieboozer | well my wcf12 "just worked" |
| 14:23.27 | geordieboozer | apparently there are two chipsets for the same model, one works with hostap, the other is proprietry |
| 14:25.08 | dr_bitz | I had to add the line to /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng, then power down, take the card out, power up and wait for boot to complete |
| 14:25.38 | dr_bitz | *then* put the card in. It was recognized, and then I coud do 'ifconfig eth0' and actually see something |
| 14:25.52 | absentia | and, with my luck.. guess which one I have. |
| 14:26.04 | absentia | ya |
| 14:26.14 | absentia | my config file hadwcf12 in it |
| 14:26.25 | absentia | it's not important, I have a dlink, I'm happy. |
| 14:26.34 | absentia | although I do want to get one of those 128mb + wifi combo cards. |
| 14:27.03 | dr_bitz | I'd just like to get my DHCP client working again. |
| 14:27.24 | dr_bitz | Win98 box for USB connection = no outside IP access = :( |
| 14:28.08 | absentia | dhcn or dhcld or something... under sharp.... the sharp rom is more and more impressive. |
| 14:28.19 | absentia | with the cache enabled kernel, etc. |
| 14:28.25 | absentia | netfront is nice. |
| 14:29.50 | sharpie | I haven't heard of the cache enabled kernel. Is that for the 5500 |
| 14:29.58 | sharpie | ? |
| 14:33.54 | absentia | it's some site... royal*.hu |
| 14:33.55 | absentia | for the c700 |
| 14:34.02 | absentia | I need to do some timing on it. |
| 14:34.20 | absentia | whether or not the c700 is 1/2 the speed of the 5500 ... |
| 14:34.28 | absentia | I think the c700 is damn peppy at times |
| 14:34.31 | absentia | I like it enough. |
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| 14:36.13 | sharpie | cool |
| 14:36.37 | absentia | I had 5 users on the pda last friday |
| 14:36.44 | sharpie | I have a 5600 on order now |
| 14:36.44 | absentia | kergoth, a user from work, and me 3 times.... |
| 14:36.46 | sharpie | cool |
| 14:36.57 | absentia | the 640x480 on the c700 makes it worth it.. |
| 14:37.01 | absentia | and the keyboard is highly usable. |
| 14:37.04 | sharpie | I can imagine |
| 14:37.49 | tux_mike | time to clean up the email |
| 14:38.33 | sharpie | my 5500 is practically a laptop for me, so I would think that the c700 would probably just the right solution |
| 14:39.16 | absentia | mine is... a laptop |
| 14:39.27 | absentia | I plan to develop ON it. |
| 14:39.36 | sharpie | cool |
| 14:39.41 | absentia | I want to have my code with me all the time |
| 14:39.48 | absentia | when I'm home, I just plug in power, and ssh in... |
| 14:39.54 | absentia | so I have real keyboard, etc. |
| 14:39.56 | sharpie | true |
| 14:40.07 | absentia | but on the go, I can still pull up emacs (ue?) and edit away. |
| 14:41.24 | tux_mike | I still say get a fujitsu p2000 |
| 14:41.43 | sharpie | hmm, haven't seen one. I'll take a look now... |
| 14:44.18 | chouimat | hi |
| 14:44.31 | sharpie | oh, yea. I have seen that one. that is awesome |
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| 15:45.33 | hardwire | ibot oz buildroot |
| 15:45.34 | | i guess oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
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| 15:58.52 | johnm|work | does anyone know if its possible to get the original sharp rom image? |
| 15:59.08 | pHluid | yeh. |
| 15:59.10 | pHluid | reflash it. |
| 15:59.10 | bzdoug | off zaurus.com |
| 15:59.11 | bzdoug | I think |
| 15:59.18 | johnm|work | has anyone got a link? |
| 15:59.21 | johnm|work | i cant seem to find one |
| 16:00.25 | bzdoug | http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate4.asp |
| 16:00.34 | bzdoug | waay down at the bottom |
| 16:00.37 | bzdoug | OSPACK |
| 16:00.42 | bzdoug | read the instructions |
| 16:01.07 | johnm|work | ah excellent. thanks |
| 16:01.14 | bzdoug | first |
| 16:01.18 | bzdoug | np |
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| 16:02.07 | johnm|work | also another quick quesion if i may. |
| 16:02.27 | bzdoug | sure |
| 16:02.50 | johnm|work | how come openzaurus seems to take up so much storage space. even on a 32/32 split, theres never enough room to install say - konquerer. which i dont want anyways - id like opera |
| 16:03.21 | bzdoug | dunno |
| 16:03.36 | bzdoug | ask NeoTron or someone else, I my Z dont even work yet |
| 16:03.37 | bzdoug | :) |
| 16:03.41 | pHluid | ? |
| 16:03.44 | pHluid | Works fine for me. |
| 16:03.47 | johnm|work | :) ok. you know if its possible to install opera? |
| 16:03.57 | johnm|work | pHluid, where you installing to? |
| 16:04.14 | pHluid | Well I install to SD, but, eh |
| 16:04.19 | pHluid | I'm not sure how the 32/32 is split |
| 16:04.22 | pHluid | Might be whacky |
| 16:04.26 | pHluid | But on my 32/0 |
| 16:04.34 | pHluid | OZ installs with 2mb free space on the internal... wait |
| 16:04.40 | pHluid | are you trying to install to /mnt/ram |
| 16:04.43 | pHluid | or to /mnt/root |
| 16:04.45 | pHluid | er |
| 16:04.48 | pHluid | /root |
| 16:04.57 | pHluid | because you need to be selecting /mnt/ram as your destination :P |
| 16:05.04 | johnm|work | ah |
| 16:05.09 | johnm|work | because im installing to root |
| 16:05.24 | johnm|work | isnt ram scrubbed on a reset? |
| 16:05.31 | johnm|work | or is it persistant? |
| 16:05.37 | bzdoug | on a hard reset yes |
| 16:05.40 | bzdoug | on a reboot, no |
| 16:05.47 | bzdoug | I think |
| 16:06.05 | pHluid | It's only scrubbed if you take the battery cover off and press the hard reset button |
| 16:06.06 | johnm|work | then if i installed all my things to there, surely if i done a hard-reset, i would lose it all. no? |
| 16:06.09 | pHluid | Or if you reflash. |
| 16:06.44 | bzdoug | unless you do a 64/0 and put all ur files on a SD or CF card |
| 16:06.53 | johnm|work | hmm.. i might do just that |
| 16:06.55 | pHluid | root under OZ is the internal flash ram, which is normally NOT writeable |
| 16:06.59 | pHluid | OZ lets you write to it |
| 16:07.00 | johnm|work | because im happy to store everything on a SD, |
| 16:07.13 | bzdoug | johnm|work: dont ask me how though ;) |
| 16:07.26 | johnm|work | also |
| 16:07.37 | johnm|work | you know if its possible to get the editing suite that comes with the sharp rom? |
| 16:07.38 | pHluid | The Sharp ROM puts root as the /mnt/ram, because the ROM isn't writeable under Sharp |
| 16:07.47 | johnm|work | the word processor/spread sheet and so on |
| 16:07.52 | pHluid | So the situation you're talking about is the same scenario everybody uses the Sharp ROM with |
| 16:08.04 | johnm|work | pHluid, yeah it makes sense :) |
| 16:08.13 | bzdoug | maybe |
| 16:08.34 | johnm|work | so umm.. |
| 16:08.37 | pHluid | johnm: Yes, if you've got access to a Linux box you can use the romexploder and extraction scripts to yank the hancom, opera, and jeode ipk's out of the rom. |
| 16:08.38 | johnm|work | let me put this scenario |
| 16:08.55 | johnm|work | pHluid, i do, ill do that. |
| 16:08.59 | johnm|work | say - i have a large SD card. |
| 16:09.15 | pHluid | mmmhmm |
| 16:09.19 | johnm|work | and i just want it so all my portable files are stored on there, and everything else is ran purely from the zaurus |
| 16:09.29 | johnm|work | what would a 64/0 do? |
| 16:09.32 | pHluid | "portable?" |
| 16:09.49 | treke_ | johnm|work: it would make what you want to do impossible |
| 16:09.52 | bzdoug | you can install apps on the SD |
| 16:09.52 | johnm|work | give me 64mb worth of potentially / ? |
| 16:10.01 | treke_ | no |
| 16:10.03 | pHluid | No |
| 16:10.06 | treke_ | it would give you 0 ram disk |
| 16:10.06 | johnm|work | what i dont quite understand is.. |
| 16:10.09 | johnm|work | the split. |
| 16:10.10 | pHluid | 64/0 means NONE of the RAM is used for storage |
| 16:10.16 | bzdoug | its all RAM |
| 16:10.19 | treke_ | johnm|work: RAM/Storage |
| 16:10.24 | treke_ | johnm|work: that is how its split |
| 16:10.25 | pHluid | You'd have ONLY the internal flash rom to work with |
| 16:10.33 | pHluid | which would limit your space considerably |
| 16:10.34 | johnm|work | gotcha |
| 16:10.36 | pHluid | Now, me personally |
| 16:10.53 | pHluid | I use a 32/0 image (SL-5000d is 32mb RAM, 16mb ROM) |
| 16:10.54 | johnm|work | which makes sense now. thats the reaosn im missing so much storage space |
| 16:10.55 | johnm|work | lol |
| 16:11.09 | pHluid | OZ is installed to the internal ROM, which leaves ~2mb of space on the internal ROM |
| 16:11.13 | treke_ | the space will never appear in / |
| 16:11.20 | treke_ | it will apear as /mnt/ram |
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| 16:11.28 | pHluid | then I use a 128mb SD card formatted for ext2, which is where I've installed everything that I added to the base install to |
| 16:11.43 | pHluid | So everything I have is stored either on the internal ROM or running off the SD card. |
| 16:11.52 | johnm|work | gotcha :) |
| 16:11.55 | johnm|work | its all sunk in now |
| 16:12.02 | johnm|work | wasnt quite sure how it was splitting stuff really |
| 16:12.09 | pHluid | Then I use a CF card for mp3's and porn. |
| 16:12.26 | pHluid | It's labeled "Essentials." |
| 16:12.34 | johnm|work | my cf slot is used (will be) by cf wireless |
| 16:12.42 | johnm|work | so that is territory im not gonna stray into |
| 16:12.48 | pHluid | heh |
| 16:12.51 | johnm|work | the CF card i have is being used purely to flash |
| 16:12.59 | pHluid | I've got a CF nic, cf wireless, cf modem, and 256mb cf storage |
| 16:13.05 | pHluid | I just swap them out for whatever I need at the time. |
| 16:13.12 | johnm|work | i just have 512mb SD card |
| 16:13.17 | johnm|work | i be done with that :) |
| 16:13.30 | johnm|work | and an IrD phone as modem |
| 16:13.31 | pHluid | The problem with using an SD card for storage (may or may not apply to you) |
| 16:13.45 | pHluid | is that to install apps to it you have to format it to ext2 (Well, a lot of apps, at least) |
| 16:13.58 | johnm|work | yeah |
| 16:14.01 | pHluid | and if you format to ext2 the card is no longer readable by a windows box |
| 16:14.05 | johnm|work | although it wont apply. |
| 16:14.11 | johnm|work | as thats what im trying to not do |
| 16:14.17 | pHluid | right |
| 16:14.21 | pHluid | only a problem for some people |
| 16:14.24 | johnm|work | which is why i asked baout the splits ;) |
| 16:14.44 | johnm|work | ideally i want the SD card to work cross products |
| 16:15.05 | johnm|work | wont work with ect2 for most/all things except the zaurus and the sd reader |
| 16:15.29 | johnm|work | ice gotta say tho, ive just been messing around with it since i got it about.. 5 hours ago |
| 16:15.32 | johnm|work | and im pretty impressed |
| 16:15.41 | pHluid | Don't drop it. |
| 16:15.42 | johnm|work | flashed it a few times using alternatice roms just to mess about |
| 16:15.50 | johnm|work | ill actually install it properly at some point tonight |
| 16:15.59 | pHluid | Well |
| 16:16.00 | johnm|work | and then stop fiddling quite so much |
| 16:16.00 | pHluid | Sort of |
| 16:16.04 | pHluid | It boots sometimes. |
| 16:16.09 | johnm|work | hehe i did actually accidently drop it |
| 16:16.14 | johnm|work | but only onto the sofa |
| 16:16.14 | johnm|work | ;) |
| 16:16.16 | pHluid | I had mine all of like a week |
| 16:16.20 | pHluid | Dropped it MAYBE three feet |
| 16:16.22 | pHluid | onto carpet |
| 16:16.26 | pHluid | it's been fucked ever since |
| 16:16.43 | johnm|work | great! |
| 16:16.45 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 16:16.46 | johnm|work | fine investment |
| 16:16.55 | pHluid | It's working today |
| 16:16.57 | pHluid | So far |
| 16:17.05 | johnm|work | heres a q |
| 16:17.08 | johnm|work | which do you prefer? |
| 16:17.09 | johnm|work | OZ? |
| 16:17.11 | pHluid | But it will decide to be a total bastard for 12-24hours at a time and won't do dick |
| 16:17.12 | johnm|work | or sharp? |
| 16:17.13 | pHluid | then it will work again |
| 16:17.18 | pHluid | never used the Sharp ROM> |
| 16:17.29 | johnm|work | me neither. i flashed straight into OZ |
| 16:17.35 | johnm|work | which is why i wanted the sharp rom, to try |
| 16:17.35 | johnm|work | hehe |
| 16:19.44 | bzdoug | compiles? |
| 16:19.52 | bzdoug | binarys man, binarys |
| 16:20.09 | treke_ | source man, source |
| 16:20.18 | bzdoug | huh |
| 16:20.58 | treke_ | hardwire: when the f*ck are you going to make oz a new background and color scheme |
| 16:21.36 | hardwire | treke_: when i f*ucking f*el lik* it |
| 16:21.42 | hardwire | ;) |
| 16:21.58 | hardwire | I actually have some new designs I could shimmy up for a background |
| 16:22.04 | hardwire | as far as color schemes.. bleh.. I use X |
| 16:23.12 | sharpie | OZ has too many issues still, I wouldn't call it production quality |
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| 16:25.32 | ictyl | where can I find .puz or .tpz files for crossword? |
| 16:28.08 | pHluid | sharpie: I wouldn't call the Sharp rom production quality from everything I've seen, either |
| 16:28.56 | warmi | well, for one , the batter metter is fucked up |
| 16:29.01 | warmi | so is the sound driver |
| 16:30.00 | bzdoug | in OZ or sharp? |
| 16:30.32 | warmi | sharp |
| 16:30.37 | bzdoug | ah |
| 16:30.58 | pHluid | battery meter in OZ is pretty f'd up too :) |
| 16:31.22 | mspencer | I've been very impressed with everything I've seen from the Sharp ROM so far. Excellent Japanese support even :) |
| 16:34.04 | mspencer | ...and I've been banging on it pretty severely since I got my C700 a month ago. :) |
| 16:34.59 | warmi | ah well .. that's C 700 |
| 16:35.13 | warmi | mspencer: have you trired playing gnuboy on your device yet ? |
| 16:35.27 | mspencer | not yet -- I don't own a gameboy. |
| 16:35.33 | bzdoug | you dont need to |
| 16:35.34 | bzdoug | :P |
| 16:35.41 | mspencer | I don't own any roms either. |
| 16:35.51 | bzdoug | kazaa |
| 16:35.58 | warmi | well, I was wondering if sound works well |
| 16:36.15 | warmi | it does on OZ but it is messed up on 5500 ROM ( cause of busted driver) |
| 16:37.01 | mspencer | ah. Not sure, but I know when copying files, mp3 and ogg playback don't seem to stutter, so it does seem to be able to handle heavy loads at the same time it's playing audio. |
| 16:39.05 | warmi | well, yeah .. that works on 5500 pretty well too |
| 16:39.20 | warmi | . |
| 16:39.24 | warmi | ? |
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| 16:40.53 | mspencer | I know the C700 seems to have only a limited rate at which it can update pixels. I know that little blue bubble thing runs at a pretty smooth frame rate, because that only has a tiny window. |
| 16:41.37 | warmi | well, C 700 is about as fast as 5500 |
| 16:41.55 | warmi | which is not saying much since it is powered by 400 MHZ cpu :-) |
| 16:42.07 | mspencer | oh...and its native screen rotation seems to be the portrait, keyboard-hidden mode, which I hardly ever have it in... |
| 16:42.49 | mspencer | is it a 400 mhz version of the exact same CPU? If not, clock speed isn't always...well, yeah, you know the whole G4 vs Intel clock speed flamewars :) |
| 16:43.12 | warmi | obviously not the same CPu ... upgraded version of Strong ARM |
| 16:43.23 | mspencer | what kind was the old one? |
| 16:43.59 | warmi | think of it that way ... your c 700 is running newer version of the same CPU that powers 5500 |
| 16:44.02 | mspencer | naah, not important. |
| 16:44.13 | mspencer | oh...hmm... |
| 16:44.26 | mspencer | so it's the same kind of Xscale, from the same vendor? |
| 16:44.34 | warmi | the problem is that "newer" version has a bug which makes a 400 MHZ CPU perform at the levels of older (5500) 200 MHZ version :-) |
| 16:44.45 | mspencer | I've disabled handling of that bug. :) |
| 16:45.10 | warmi | this is not Zaurus issue .. all PocketPC devices have the same problem as well |
| 16:45.17 | mspencer | unless there's another part of that bug that operates at the hardware level, causing the cache to have to be flushed... |
| 16:45.31 | mspencer | Does the existing Zaurus use an Intel Xscale? |
| 16:46.17 | warmi | yeah, C 700 uses XScale |
| 16:46.24 | warmi | A 300 too |
| 16:46.31 | warmi | and so does 5600 |
| 16:46.37 | mspencer | sorry about that question...how about the 5000 D? |
| 16:47.25 | pHluid | 400mhz XScale's are a totally different core from 200mhz |
| 16:47.28 | mspencer | because I can see how different cores from different vendors can have radically different internal clock speeds but still have the same kind of performance. It makes sense...that's what we get for comparing apples and oranges. |
| 16:47.31 | warmi | 5500 and 5000 use older StrongArm |
| 16:48.02 | pHluid | Anyways, the half-as-fast bug is supposedly fixed in the latest StrongARM. |
| 16:48.08 | warmi | pHluid: yeah |
| 16:48.14 | pHluid | So maybe the next 400mhz and up will be better :\ |
| 16:48.22 | pHluid | Sitll though |
| 16:48.26 | mspencer | personally, I don't mind :) |
| 16:48.29 | warmi | it will .. it will also use 200 MHZ bus |
| 16:48.39 | warmi | which alone should speed things up about 30% |
| 16:48.39 | pHluid | How the fuck did they not notice it was performing HALF as fast as it should have before they released it to OEMs? |
| 16:48.53 | pHluid | Hrm |
| 16:48.56 | mspencer | maybe it performs at full speed in certain kinds of benchmarks... |
| 16:48.57 | warmi | pHluid: beats me ... |
| 16:48.58 | warmi | obviously they don't givea fuck |
| 16:49.03 | pHluid | What's the bus speed on the current one/200mhz? |
| 16:49.07 | mspencer | or maybe there's more to it than we guessed. |
| 16:49.10 | warmi | 100 |
| 16:49.13 | mspencer | Damn, issues can be complex! Holy crap! |
| 16:49.15 | warmi | mspencer: I am sure there is |
| 16:49.29 | pHluid | Well the flaw is apparently in it's power control |
| 16:49.39 | warmi | but still, the bottom line is that they released inferior CPU |
| 16:49.42 | pHluid | It's supposed to scale itself depending on the task at hand (hence XScale) |
| 16:50.01 | pHluid | The problem, apparently, is that it NEVER thinks the task is good enough to run full speed |
| 16:50.03 | mspencer | I wonder if there's any kind of benchmark we can run that checks the CPU performance... |
| 16:50.32 | mspencer | maybe I just need to overclock it. (har) |
| 16:50.40 | pHluid | Which is probably part of the reason the 5600 owns the 5500 on clock speed :) |
| 16:50.54 | pHluid | mspencer: you laugh. You CAN overclock them, and you can do it with software. |
| 16:51.05 | pHluid | Just don't cry when it burns the fuck up :) |
| 16:51.14 | pHluid | er |
| 16:51.24 | mspencer | Mine locked up when I did that. Possibly unrelated... |
| 16:51.25 | pHluid | clock speed = battery laugh 4 sentences ago. |
| 16:51.41 | pHluid | laugh = life in last sentence. |
| 16:53.27 | Com[Plex | hmm |
| 16:53.30 | Com[Plex | sup pHluid |
| 16:53.34 | ivan | pHluid: the 5600 does run xscale optimized programs 2 times faster than the 5500 |
| 16:53.37 | Com[Plex | joo call tech suppiort yet? |
| 16:53.55 | ivan | pHluid: the PX-250 chip is b0rked and runs older assembly instructions incorrectly |
| 16:54.09 | ivan | the PX-255 is in Tungsten C already though, i don't see why sharp's not using it |
| 16:54.11 | sharpie | where can we get an xscale compiler that optimizes? |
| 16:54.27 | ivan | compile it for ARM 5 instead of 4, i don't know what flags you need |
| 16:54.30 | pHluid | Com: Was calling them back today to see if this thing is still under warranty |
| 16:54.32 | pHluid | I doubt it is |
| 16:54.36 | pHluid | But, worth a shot. |
| 16:54.43 | pHluid | If not, they told me it was minimum $100 labor + parts |
| 16:54.46 | pHluid | so fuck that shit |
| 16:54.47 | sharpie | cool, i'll check it out |
| 16:55.00 | pHluid | I'll just buy a refurb from tigerdirect or some shit if it's not under warranty |
| 16:55.05 | Com[Plex | dude. dont ask if its still under warrantee, just say "it wont boot, no power light, no flashy, nuthin/. |
| 16:55.11 | pHluid | I did |
| 16:55.24 | Com[Plex | say the cf card doesnt work anymore either./ |
| 16:55.27 | pHluid | But I didn't have the SN handy |
| 16:55.33 | pHluid | So they wouldn't talk to me |
| 16:55.34 | Com[Plex | thd sn? |
| 16:55.40 | pHluid | serial number |
| 16:55.44 | Com[Plex | isnt it stuck to the back?? |
| 16:55.51 | pHluid | Yeh, I'd left it at the house, though, heh. |
| 16:55.57 | pHluid | which is why I'm calling back now :) |
| 16:55.57 | Com[Plex | I see.. |
| 16:56.14 | Com[Plex | okay, call em right now. Id like to know how it goes. |
| 16:56.25 | pHluid | Yeh, I'm holding right now |
| 16:59.28 | ivan | i wish sharp wasn't run by a bunch of dumb people |
| 16:59.37 | pHluid | hrm |
| 16:59.44 | pHluid | well he didn't tell me to fuck off right away, that's cool |
| 16:59.57 | pHluid | he grabbed my name and address and told me to hold, maybe I'm getting an RMA :D |
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| 17:01.44 | pHluid | shit. maybe not. |
| 17:02.04 | bzdoug | I did that too |
| 17:02.05 | bzdoug | :P |
| 17:02.21 | bzdoug | 10 min total on the phone, and I shipped my Z out the next day to get it unbricked |
| 17:02.40 | ivan | is unbricking free? |
| 17:03.19 | bzdoug | yea |
| 17:03.21 | bzdoug | shipping there |
| 17:03.24 | bzdoug | thats it |
| 17:03.26 | pHluid | nope |
| 17:03.29 | pHluid | they told me the same shit |
| 17:03.41 | pHluid | not under warranty, I'm looking at $100 labor + parts |
| 17:04.01 | ivan | what's under the warranty? |
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| 17:04.15 | pHluid | My Zaurus. |
| 17:04.28 | treke_ | no. my zaurus |
| 17:04.29 | ivan | no, are there any repairs that are free? |
| 17:04.33 | pHluid | Soooo |
| 17:04.42 | pHluid | I guess I'll be buying a refurb from tigerdirect soon. :( |
| 17:04.43 | bzdoug | MY zaurus! |
| 17:04.59 | mspencer | chigau! watashi no zaurusu! |
| 17:06.34 | Com[Plex | pHluid: wsend it to me. I might be able to fix it for ya. |
| 17:06.46 | Com[Plex | if all you did was drop it. I bet I can fix it |
| 17:06.49 | Com[Plex | im good like that |
| 17:06.53 | pHluid | Com: Any thoughts what might be wrong with it? |
| 17:07.20 | Com[Plex | battery terminals maybe. some connection inside. - was it connected to anything when you dropped it?> |
| 17:07.21 | pHluid | I'm *guessing* probably something snapped and it's shorting out |
| 17:07.28 | Com[Plex | pluggins and stuff I mean |
| 17:07.43 | pHluid | Nope |
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| 17:07.51 | pHluid | Nothing in it but the SD card when it fell |
| 17:07.54 | pHluid | It works fine sometimes |
| 17:07.55 | Com[Plex | seriously man, send it to me, Ive got a whole setup here for small electronics. I can fix just about anything |
| 17:08.01 | pHluid | Like today it's been perfect |
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| 17:08.17 | pHluid | yesterday morning it worked for about 6 hours then choked and wouldn't boot till today |
| 17:08.17 | pHluid | etc |
| 17:08.50 | Com[Plex | but it allwys works fiune when connected to power, right? |
| 17:08.55 | pHluid | No |
| 17:09.06 | pHluid | AC adapter doesn't seem to matter regarding whether it boots or not |
| 17:09.13 | Com[Plex | I see. |
| 17:09.33 | pHluid | It just does or it doesn't, no apparent rhyme or reason to it |
| 17:09.38 | Com[Plex | afk, 5 min |
| 17:15.36 | absentia | ivan |
| 17:15.41 | absentia | gcc3 makes xscale programs? |
| 17:15.54 | absentia | and does this mean that the c700 runs these programs 2x faster than the 5500? etc. |
| 17:16.06 | absentia | I want to see some benchmarks |
| 17:16.21 | absentia | instead of people who keep saying "the c700 runs things 2x SLOWER than the 5500" |
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| 17:20.16 | Com[Plex | back |
| 17:21.08 | ljp | front |
| 17:21.25 | bzdoug | up |
| 17:21.31 | Com[Plex | bonk |
| 17:22.11 | Com[Plex | I must be old... no one here knows about the bonk oif balance... |
| 17:22.22 | bzdoug | what? |
| 17:22.53 | Com[Plex | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bonk+oif+ |
| 17:23.18 | bzdoug | heh |
| 17:24.06 | cyn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.19 | bzdoug | ~dict bonk |
| 17:26.12 | mspencer | I think the c700 is fine. :) |
| 17:26.34 | mspencer | The video controller is a little slow -- it seems to be incapable of playing fullscreen 640x480 video at less than about 3 to 5 frames per second. |
| 17:27.03 | Com[Plex | ghehehe |
| 17:27.19 | mspencer | It can do 480x220 at around 10 frames per second, which is plenty for me. :) |
| 17:27.37 | Com[Plex | ibot neds to have the jargon files loaded into his dict |
| 17:27.38 | | Com[Plex: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 17:28.04 | bzdoug | yea! you hear that! |
| 17:28.04 | mspencer | so I have to scale files down a bit and lower the bitrate and frame rate, ...what was that? :) |
| 17:28.38 | absentia | ya |
| 17:28.40 | absentia | I am happy with it |
| 17:28.44 | absentia | I didn't get a pda to watch videos |
| 17:28.51 | mspencer | exactly. |
| 17:28.55 | absentia | although, I heard it was also incapable of playing xmame games |
| 17:28.57 | absentia | :-< |
| 17:29.05 | mspencer | I can view an excel spreadsheet and zoom out to see a huge amount of data. I'm happy about that. :) |
| 17:29.12 | absentia | that would be annoying, if true |
| 17:29.17 | absentia | yes |
| 17:29.25 | mspencer | I think there's another build of mame, although I don't own too many roms for that. |
| 17:29.27 | absentia | I can browser www.cnn.com and actually see 80% of the full width at 100% |
| 17:29.29 | mspencer | It played fine. :) |
| 17:29.37 | absentia | if I drop to 85% .. then I can see the whole thing, although the font is smaller, etc. |
| 17:29.48 | mspencer | yeah. And that kicks ass. It's like a little laptop. :) |
| 17:29.52 | absentia | mspencer: ya? I need to find one compiled with gcc3 |
| 17:30.13 | Com[Plex | why dont you get it, and build it yourself? |
| 17:30.20 | absentia | I don't have any linux boxes |
| 17:30.21 | absentia | just the pda |
| 17:30.31 | absentia | and a buildroot on the pda ... seems like it would take eons. |
| 17:30.32 | Com[Plex | so use vmware |
| 17:30.37 | mspencer | Yeah -- I don't know how hard it is to compile. But GCC works fine on the PDA -- my last two class programming assignments were done on the PDA itself :) |
| 17:30.42 | absentia | ya, I thought about that, I'm probably gonna use vpc under a pc. |
| 17:30.44 | mspencer | VMware is expensive... |
| 17:30.53 | absentia | ya, I have vpc key |
| 17:30.53 | Com[Plex | all the linux stuff I need to do, I do in a linux shell under vmware. |
| 17:31.00 | Com[Plex | not that exp[ensive. |
| 17:31.01 | bzdoug | *cough*kazaa*cough* |
| 17:31.03 | absentia | well, freebsd is linux binary compatible |
| 17:31.12 | mspencer | bzdoug: Could I get a name and address from you? |
| 17:31.19 | bzdoug | lol |
| 17:31.19 | absentia | but all the damn buildtoor shit is made with gnu stuff... lke --dry-run for patch, gnu make |
| 17:31.25 | bzdoug | no, I live in a cave |
| 17:31.25 | absentia | and it just coughs under freebsd |
| 17:31.27 | mspencer | just someplace service of papers can be made by a sheriff's deputee. |
| 17:31.42 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 17:31.48 | absentia | seriouisly, I tried vmware and vpc |
| 17:31.55 | jespah | Is there any way to bind keys/letters to the application buttons on the zaurus? |
| 17:31.57 | absentia | and vpc blew it away, ya, but it's only for the pc (and mac) |
| 17:31.59 | mspencer | Well, *MY* name and address is right here in my whois record for my IP allocation. So kazaa isn't the correct answer for *everybody* when they want to use copyrighted works. |
| 17:32.05 | absentia | jes: yes |
| 17:32.16 | absentia | ms: me too |
| 17:32.18 | absentia | I don't hide. |
| 17:32.32 | jespah | absentia: Please enlighten me |
| 17:32.41 | absentia | although I've been lazy in the upkeep of my class c.... since I moved, but I'm working to get it going again. |
| 17:32.42 | Com[Plex | the only apps I pirate are microsoft apps. lol |
| 17:33.03 | bzdoug | lol |
| 17:33.14 | Com[Plex | but ironically, I own a legit copy of every OS they have. |
| 17:34.19 | Com[Plex | win2k pro, win2kserver 98, 95 etc. I got a copy of XP, but I dont use it. got it when I was on the beta test team. lol. signed up. installed it on my laptop, unuinstalklked it, and when they released it, I got a fee copy. |
| 17:34.42 | Com[Plex | its a pretty crazy cd. very shiny. lots of holograms |
| 17:35.06 | bzdoug | haha |
| 17:35.39 | jespah | absentia: How do i bind "keys" to my application buttons? |
| 17:35.58 | bzdoug | bind i impulse 9 |
| 17:36.04 | bzdoug | er, thats something else.. |
| 17:36.12 | Com[Plex | lol, Quake |
| 17:36.17 | absentia | jes: I think there's aan app.. home keys? |
| 17:36.18 | absentia | or something |
| 17:36.18 | absentia | sorry. |
| 17:36.24 | bzdoug | haha |
| 17:36.47 | jespah | absentia: Ok, thanks |
| 17:36.51 | absentia | np |
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| 18:32.22 | bzdoug | haha |
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| 19:50.05 | jespah | Is there any way to bind keys/letters to the application buttons on the zaurus? |
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| 19:58.54 | minipanda | hi! why my Z told me some words like "not enough memory"that when i playing some short clips in fullscreen mode |
| 19:59.02 | minipanda | i'm using OPIEplayer on my Default sharp ROM |
| 19:59.12 | bzdoug | ur out of memory |
| 19:59.21 | bzdoug | try quitting some other apps |
| 19:59.25 | bzdoug | or maybe reboot |
| 19:59.47 | bzdoug | disable the app quick start thing |
| 19:59.49 | bzdoug | all those use memory |
| 19:59.50 | minipanda | bzdoug: that's funny sysinfo told me 11MB are caching and 6MB are free |
| 20:00.02 | bzdoug | interesting |
| 20:00.15 | minipanda | bzdoug: i've disable all the app quick start: todolist... mail.. calendar |
| 20:00.25 | bzdoug | hm |
| 20:00.33 | bzdoug | how big are these clips? |
| 20:01.07 | bzdoug | in file size? |
| 20:01.54 | minipanda | bzdoug: let me check... stored on my SANDISK 256MB SD card |
| 20:03.08 | minipanda | bzdoug:-rwxr-xr-x 1 bigz bigz 2017280 Mar 28 2003 matrix2-teaser-portrait.avi |
| 20:03.24 | bzdoug | soo... 2 megs? |
| 20:03.26 | bzdoug | sorta |
| 20:03.29 | bzdoug | odd |
| 20:03.42 | bzdoug | I dunno, did you try another player? |
| 20:03.55 | minipanda | seems no more debug info my Z give to me |
| 20:04.07 | bzdoug | wierd |
| 20:04.40 | minipanda | bzdoug: the default Media Player can not even decode both the vidio&audio |
| 20:05.00 | bzdoug | I know! switch to OZ! ;) |
| 20:05.25 | minipanda | bzdoug: ... |
| 20:05.50 | bzdoug | ehm... I dont know, someone else might have a better idea |
| 20:05.51 | bzdoug | :) |
| 20:07.08 | minipanda | bzdoug: thanks, but i think the only way to find out the problem is source codes or bebug info |
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| 20:17.26 | jespah | Is there any way to bind keys/letters to the application buttons on the zaurus? |
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| 20:46.16 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 20:46.28 | TCMAN | i need help |
| 20:46.59 | TCMAN | can anyone send me /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.opts from Z ROM ? |
| 20:47.27 | TCMAN | my buddy has Z with sharp rom and he zapped the file |
| 20:48.27 | TCMAN | i could extract it from OSPACK but the site where is romburst.c went down |
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| 21:53.03 | sig | http://www.feetman.com |
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| 22:00.05 | bzdoug | thats sooo annoying |
| 22:00.12 | sig | bzdoug: |
| 22:00.13 | sig | lol |
| 22:00.31 | bzdoug | good thing I have pop up software |
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| 22:05.59 | rev|pc | hey yoo |
| 22:06.30 | rev|pc | anyone here use an external power bank for their Zs? |
| 22:06.42 | rev|pc | i saw a mention of a "Diatec power bank" in a C700 review |
| 22:06.47 | rev|pc | http://jpoq.tripod.com/revo3.htm |
| 22:06.49 | rev|pc | and i'd love oine |
| 22:06.56 | rev|pc | but haven't found many non-jp references |
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| 22:21.00 | Spec | meh, i fell asleep yesterday searching for packages, stupid sleep |
| 22:21.06 | Spec | and i still haven't found a working ipkg of Knights! |
| 22:21.15 | Spec | They all have that weird 'zcat' error which i can't seem to understand |
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| 22:52.07 | rev|pc | anyone here use any of PIM apps from tkc? |
| 22:52.18 | rev|pc | any that are a lot better than the builtins with the sharp ROM? |
| 22:52.44 | cor | rev|pc: yes and yes |
| 22:52.45 | treke_ | yes |
| 22:53.00 | treke_ | not that a lot better than the builtins is saying much |
| 22:53.09 | cor | heh |
| 22:53.10 | rev|pc | yeah |
| 22:53.13 | rev|pc | exactly |
| 22:53.13 | rev|pc | heh |
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| 22:59.49 | ChipX86|Coding | cute. |
| 23:03.28 | Spec | #wfmh? ptb? |
| 23:05.39 | ChipX86|Coding | powers that be |
| 23:05.50 | ChipX86|Coding | seems to be gone anyway |
| 23:06.31 | ChipX86|Coding | as in, no new nicks |
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| 23:31.54 | Spec | Oo, the Zaurus Feed Index looks cool |
| 23:33.55 | Spec | and pink! |
| 23:34.09 | darienm | ~seen erikd |
| 23:34.10 | | erikd is currently on #zaurus |
| 23:38.30 | zauruslover | Question : Would all programs on killefiz.de/zaurus work on the C700 ? I presume not since they were originally intended for the 5500 (ARM architecture), correct ? |
| 23:38.46 | ivan | C700 is ARM5 |
| 23:38.47 | fliplap | they should work fine |
| 23:38.57 | zauruslover | C700 is Intel XScale, right ? |
| 23:38.59 | ivan | but it uses PX-250 which should run most of the ARM4 compiled apps at 200mhz |
| 23:39.02 | ivan | yes |
| 23:39.06 | Spec | Yargh. |
| 23:39.12 | Spec | knights_20021220_arm.ipk.tar |
| 23:39.15 | rev|pc | it doesn't run those actual apps slower |
| 23:39.17 | rev|pc | i mean |
| 23:39.20 | Spec | how would one install that file? |
| 23:39.21 | rev|pc | it doesn't run them at 200 MHz |
| 23:39.25 | ivan | rev|pc: what does it do? |
| 23:39.29 | rev|pc | it's the same instruction set |
| 23:39.32 | fliplap | Spec: untar it first? |
| 23:39.40 | fliplap | then install it the normal way |
| 23:39.41 | ivan | rev|pc: so everyone is lying about it? |
| 23:39.42 | Spec | tar -xvf knights? |
| 23:39.46 | rev|pc | the PX-250 just runs it as fast as a 200 MHz StrongARM |
| 23:39.47 | Spec | i get a shitload of error messages |
| 23:39.48 | zauruslover | oooh ! how does one go about optimizing them for 400 Mhz ? |
| 23:39.52 | rev|pc | ivan: no, you're just misunderstanding it |
| 23:39.56 | fliplap | tar -xvf knights_20021220_arm.ipk.tar |
| 23:39.58 | rev|pc | zauruslover: you can't |
| 23:39.58 | ivan | rev|pc: no |
| 23:40.10 | ivan | rev|pc: it runs ARM5 compiled apps 1.5-2 times as fast |
| 23:40.18 | ivan | see the zaurus dev forums, a person tested watching an mpeg |
| 23:40.21 | zauruslover | Hmmm ... is that due to the Cache bug in the XScale ? |
| 23:40.22 | ivan | and there was a jeode test too |
| 23:40.22 | Spec | nope, lots of error messages |
| 23:40.24 | rev|pc | hrmmm |
| 23:40.32 | rev|pc | it certainly doesn't step the processor down |
| 23:40.32 | Spec | "tar: Bad tar header, skipping" |
| 23:40.48 | rev|pc | it may run SA apps slower though |
| 23:40.54 | ivan | what's SA? |
| 23:40.57 | fliplap | well then maybe it isn't tarred, try running file on it |
| 23:41.02 | rev|pc | StrongARM 1100 |
| 23:41.06 | fliplap | file knights... |
| 23:41.08 | rev|pc | as in 5500, ipaq, etc |
| 23:41.20 | zauruslover | ivan: so is there a separate feed for ARM5 apps for the C700 ? |
| 23:41.21 | ivan | qtopia and the sharp included apps should run faster on 5600 too |
| 23:41.26 | ivan | zauruslover: don't know |
| 23:41.35 | ivan | thekompany has ARM5 compiled stuff |
| 23:41.42 | Spec | i don't have 'file' |
| 23:41.56 | ivan | 5600 has same proc as C700 btw |
| 23:41.57 | fliplap | well find a linux box that does |
| 23:42.01 | Spec | hehehe |
| 23:42.02 | Spec | yarg |
| 23:42.20 | fliplap | it will determine what type of file it is for you |
| 23:42.24 | zauruslover | how about the OZ 3.2 apps kergoth is working on for the C700 ? Are they optimized for StrongARM 1100 or ARM5/C700 ? |
| 23:42.37 | Spec | mmm, i extracted it in windows |
| 23:42.40 | absentia2 | why would anyone get a 5600 ? |
| 23:42.51 | rev|pc | absentia2: if they were rich perhaps |
| 23:42.55 | ivan | are you the C700 weanie? |
| 23:43.02 | fliplap | because they want the battery life? |
| 23:43.05 | zauruslover | :) |
| 23:43.10 | rev|pc | indeed |
| 23:43.13 | rev|pc | i am jealouis of that |
| 23:43.17 | rev|pc | very jealous |
| 23:43.19 | fliplap | ditto |
| 23:43.29 | absentia2 | I have c700 / 512 sd / 128 cf / linksys / dlink / battery, etc. |
| 23:43.38 | ivan | i really liked the form factor of the 5x00 and don't want a landscape-oriented thing to use the builtin keyboard |
| 23:43.46 | ivan | i can't use the keyboard sideways running portrait apps |
| 23:43.50 | absentia2 | ivan: I asked you a question before.. about the speed of the cpu |
| 23:43.52 | rev|pc | i would get a c700 in a second if it had a better kb |
| 23:43.54 | Spec | batt life is important :p |
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| 23:43.58 | absentia2 | gcc3 makes xscale optimized, right ? |
| 23:43.58 | rev|pc | and be willing to even pay $700 for it |
| 23:44.05 | ivan | i don't know, hopefully |
| 23:44.09 | Spec | would a 'better battery' for the 5500 be possible? |
| 23:44.14 | fliplap | yes |
| 23:44.17 | absentia2 | I paid $700 |
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| 23:44.18 | fliplap | wanna build one? |
| 23:44.21 | Spec | sure |
| 23:44.25 | Spec | let's get out some lead acid? |
| 23:44.37 | absentia2 | you can shave the 5500 battery |
| 23:44.37 | ivan | Spec: just get that sharp portable charger thing |
| 23:44.40 | ivan | it's just another battery |
| 23:44.45 | zauruslover | damn ! The battery life/cache bug is what is holding me back from jumping in for the C700 ! Am somehow resisting :) |
| 23:44.45 | ivan | absentia2: you mean the 5600 |
| 23:44.54 | absentia2 | no |
| 23:45.02 | rev|pc | you can't use a 5600 batt in a 5500, right? |
| 23:45.03 | absentia2 | you can shave a 5500 battery.. to put in the 700 |
| 23:45.08 | fliplap | rev|pc: nope |
| 23:45.11 | rev|pc | that's what i thought |
| 23:45.13 | rev|pc | i wish i could |
| 23:45.13 | ivan | of course you can |
| 23:45.19 | rev|pc | ... |
| 23:45.23 | ivan | you just have to make it fit and it works |
| 23:45.24 | Spec | hahaha |
| 23:45.42 | zauruslover | there's a diff in the current rating right ? 1A vs. 2Amps ? |
| 23:45.50 | Spec | fliplap: knights.ipk.tar: gzip compressed data, deflated, last motified: (bleh) |
| 23:46.06 | Spec | so it's not a tar, it's a gzip |
| 23:46.09 | fliplap | yeah, i was under the impression it isn't just size |
| 23:46.12 | Spec | tar -j should work |
| 23:46.25 | rev|pc | fliplap: same here... someone told me thatr in here |
| 23:46.25 | fliplap | tar -xvzf |
| 23:46.38 | Spec | oops, j is bzip |
| 23:46.46 | absentia2 | we need blitzen |
| 23:46.55 | absentia2 | xboard + gnuchess and icc |
| 23:46.56 | Spec | umm |
| 23:47.00 | Spec | xvzf broke up the ipkg too |
| 23:47.08 | Spec | hehe |
| 23:47.11 | absentia2 | is knights any good? |
| 23:47.18 | fliplap | what is it? |
| 23:47.40 | treke_ | chess game |
| 23:47.49 | fliplap | free? |
| 23:47.56 | treke_ | its a tared gzip |
| 23:47.58 | treke_ | fliplap: gpl |
| 23:48.06 | treke_ | binaries are 15 bucks |
| 23:48.06 | absentia2 | ya |
| 23:48.06 | fliplap | nifty |
| 23:48.08 | absentia2 | chess tiger? |
| 23:48.12 | absentia2 | fritz engine |
| 23:48.14 | treke_ | source is freely available |
| 23:48.18 | absentia2 | whta I really want is icc support |
| 23:48.24 | absentia2 | xboard + timestamp is fine |
| 23:48.26 | treke_ | phalanx and get gnuchess |
| 23:48.27 | Spec | knights is better |
| 23:48.36 | absentia2 | better than.. what ? |
| 23:48.40 | treke_ | it can use either of those engines |
| 23:48.44 | Spec | everythign! |
| 23:48.46 | Spec | (java chess) :p |
| 23:48.58 | absentia2 | I also need/want aim for oz |
| 23:48.58 | fliplap | ah, you have to setup a cross compiler to build it eh |
| 23:49.07 | treke_ | yes. |
| 23:49.08 | fliplap | absentia: there is one |
| 23:49.15 | treke_ | or you could spend fifteen bux and buy it |
| 23:49.20 | Spec | try kinkatta-lite? |
| 23:49.23 | fliplap | kinkatta-lite |
| 23:49.28 | Spec | i love kinkatta-lite :p |
| 23:49.38 | Spec | no, treke/fliplap |
| 23:49.46 | Spec | it's opensource, so there are other people who have already compiled it for you |
| 23:49.51 | absentia2 | what's that ? |
| 23:49.53 | fliplap | where at? |
| 23:49.57 | treke_ | Spec: So go find him a copy |
| 23:50.03 | fliplap | absentia: an aim clone of the OZ |
| 23:50.14 | fliplap | s/of\ the/for |
| 23:50.33 | zauruslover | have people succeeded in getting the 5600 battery working on the C700 ? |
| 23:50.36 | treke_ | anyone who is too cheap to pay for it and too lazy to compile it can deal |
| 23:50.37 | absentia2 | ok |
| 23:50.44 | absentia2 | I don't have a linux os |
| 23:50.47 | treke_ | zauruslover: In japan |
| 23:50.56 | absentia2 | solaris/sparc and freebsd/x86 |
| 23:50.57 | treke_ | absentia2: too bad |
| 23:51.05 | zauruslover | Hmm ... |
| 23:51.10 | Spec | treke: i'm looking |
| 23:51.15 | Spec | the one i have is being a pain in the ass |
| 23:51.27 | treke_ | Spec: I dont care where. I already bought it long ago |
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| 23:51.43 | treke_ | absentia2: No reason you couldnt compile on freebsd though |
| 23:52.01 | treke_ | solaris would be tougher, but it should work with a suitable toolchain |
| 23:52.14 | Spec | oh, you bought it? :p |
| 23:52.26 | absentia2 | treke: too much conversion |
| 23:52.26 | treke_ | yes. |
| 23:52.28 | Spec | can you send it to me? [innocent] |
| 23:52.30 | absentia2 | it's tied to gnu crap |
| 23:52.30 | treke_ | Spec: no |
| 23:52.32 | Spec | hehe |
| 23:52.36 | absentia2 | patch --dry-run |
| 23:52.38 | absentia2 | etc |
| 23:52.50 | absentia2 | I have buildroot here.... |
| 23:52.58 | absentia2 | just doesn't get to the first patch :-) |
| 23:53.05 | absentia2 | says dry run method worked, but normal run failed. |
| 23:53.06 | absentia2 | et. |
| 23:53.07 | absentia2 | etc. |
| 23:53.12 | absentia2 | it's faster to vpc up a debian |
| 23:53.16 | absentia2 | than to try to port it |
| 23:53.20 | treke_ | then do that |
| 23:53.27 | absentia2 | although gcc on the pda is fine for me. |
| 23:53.30 | treke_ | or *gasp* buy it |
| 23:54.04 | Spec | absentia2, are you trying to build knights? |
| 23:54.08 | absentia2 | no |
| 23:54.12 | Spec | oh |
| 23:54.13 | absentia2 | nothing, at the momeny |
| 23:54.16 | absentia2 | I wiped my sd last night |
| 23:54.20 | wParam | holy crap the linux kernel makes stuff easy to do |
| 23:54.29 | absentia2 | installed oz again, and am instaling things like task-opie-full, etc. |
| 23:55.20 | treke_ | wParam: for certain definitions of easy :) |
| 23:55.25 | wParam | userland suspend and kernel-mode task manager took SO MUCH more code in NT... it's crazy |
| 23:55.29 | wParam | true |
| 23:56.07 | wParam | linux has the sysrq thing all set up, just had to extend it a bit |
| 23:56.10 | treke_ | userland suspend? you trying to do something like swswp? |
| 23:56.28 | absentia2 | what's up with kergoth? |
| 23:56.28 | treke_ | er swsusp |
| 23:56.35 | wParam | swswp? never heard of that |
| 23:56.46 | wParam | basically just want to stop all the non-kernel things from running |
| 23:56.47 | treke_ | wParam: sofwareSuspend. It suspends into swapspace |
| 23:56.55 | wParam | interesting |
| 23:57.05 | treke_ | wParam: hehe wouldnt kill -9 1 do that? :) |
| 23:57.44 | wParam | treke_: well yeah, but the Z gets really upset when init dies for some reason |
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| 23:58.17 | treke_ | understandable |
| 23:58.25 | wParam | yeah :) |
| 23:59.04 | treke_ | although since you are killing all processes, does it matter? :) |
| 23:59.14 | absentia2 | ya |
| 23:59.17 | absentia2 | don't use -1 signal |
| 23:59.19 | absentia2 | use -HUP |
| 23:59.19 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 23:59.48 | Spec | oh, ipkg is really simple :p |
| 23:59.53 | absentia2 | ya |
