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00:00.39ljpI think just about any type cf will owrk. if frickin fujifilm cf's work, anything eill
00:02.33lcandellthats what im saying
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00:02.41lcandelli know im doing it right
00:02.53lcandellhow card can it be to get it right ONCE within 26 hours (minus 5 hours sleep)
00:03.03lcandellmd5checksums match
00:03.11lcandellfdisk'ed the card to Type 6
00:03.16lcandellthe card is set to BOOTABLE
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00:03.58lcandellwritten the initrd.bin / zImage files on the CF card from a.) the zaurus b.) from a CF pc card reader.
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00:04.24lcandellim annoyed because my SD 128mb card from the same company works like a charm.
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00:42.00jasonmch_heyo
00:42.27jasonmch_I am having a bitch of a time with my Z and sync'ing...  it works so flakey sync'ing to my linux box..
00:47.11jasonmch_ne1 alive?
00:50.07revsure
00:50.08revyo
00:51.36pHluidWhoa.
00:51.37pHluidOK
00:51.49pHluidSo I dropped my Z friday before I went out of town
00:51.59pHluidRefused to turn on after that
00:52.06pHluidLeft it, just came back
00:52.24pHluidAnd tried it... now i get the OpenZaurus splash screen on startup then the screen blanks and it turns back off
00:52.41pHluidMaybe it's NOT really dead...
00:53.03pHluidHoly shit
00:53.13pHluidBooting with the AC adapter plugged in
00:53.13pHluidWeird...
00:53.58revoh man
00:53.58revshitty
00:54.02revdisturbving
00:54.26pHluidHow the hell did just leaving it sitting for a few days fix it :\
00:56.43revwho knows...
00:56.44revuff
00:57.00revi hope the Z isn't that delicate for everyone :/
00:57.10revi've dropped my newton a bunch of times with no ill results
00:58.15pHluidI know plenty of people that have dropped theirs and it was fine
00:58.22pHluidSome said it needed a full reset afterwards
00:58.27pHluidMine apparently needed a rest :\
00:58.52pHluidWhen I dropped it, the screen froze in greyscale with hash marks
00:58.57pHluidAnd it wouldn't turn off
00:59.20pHluidHad to do a soft reset on it to clear the screen, then it refused to ever turn back on, with or without ac adapter
00:59.35pHluidBut I let it sit off the adapter over the weekend, looks like it's fine now, just the battery is dead I guess
00:59.48pHluidThat's weird though, because I pulled the battery several times
01:00.09pHluidSo there's no way it was like stuck on and just wouldn't respond or anything
01:00.40pHluidGlad I decided to wait till Mon to send it back for repair instead of shipping it straight off friday :)
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01:35.37dougheckapHluid: it works?
01:37.32pHluidSeems to
01:37.39pHluidLooks like I just need to charge the battery
01:37.42pHluidworks fine on AC adapter
01:37.52dougheckahuh
01:37.59pHluidyeh, weird.
01:38.02dougheckatoo bad I cant fix  mine
01:38.10pHluidwhat's wrong with yours?
01:38.25dougheckaflash is e.m.p.t.y.
01:38.35dougheckalike, the checksum is ffffffff
01:38.36doughecka:)
01:38.40pHluidAs in it won't take a flash?
01:38.44dougheckanope
01:38.48dougheckabut the DIAG menu works
01:38.49doughecka:)
01:38.54pHluidDiag menu/
01:38.55pHluid?
01:39.06wParamhow'd you get stuck with an empty flash?
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01:39.20dougheckapress D and P and press full reset... brings up a diag menu... but I think is erases everything
01:39.28dougheckawParam: it was an option... :)
01:39.39dougheckabut the DIAG menu has a neato CF update option
01:39.50dougheckawhich I guess does the same
01:39.52pHluiddough: is it possible you reached the max writes on the internal?
01:40.03dougheckano
01:40.08dougheckaI ran the flash checkes
01:40.11dougheckaall checked out
01:41.19cynyay got a nice apartment in memphis
01:41.22dougheckahow do I contact sharp about getting it unbricked?
01:41.26dougheckacyn: lol
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01:41.42dougheckaI have never had sharp reply back to me
01:41.44dougheckaEVER
01:41.50dougheckaand its been about a month
01:43.00aranaxonis there anyway to use the Sharp Address book intead of Opies?
01:46.44pHluiddough: call them
01:46.50pHluidthey'll refer you to a service center
01:46.52dougheckak
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02:00.25Zxcvbanyone here?
02:06.04kendricknope :)
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02:28.14lcandellokay, i went for broke and purchased a Lexar 128MB Compact Flash P/N: CF128-04-132
02:28.27lcandellhad to return my SD card :(
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02:37.16fdaskwhat was wrong with your SD card?
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02:45.45lcandellcan we say FUCK PQI
02:46.01lcandelldont EVER purchase their POS Compact Flash cards.
02:46.17fliplapwhat happened?
02:46.18lcandellman, this Lexar 128MB CF card worked FIRST TIME
02:46.40lcandellwell, i purchased a 32MB CF card yesterday @ 3pm and was trying to flash my frikkin Zaurus for 26 hours
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02:46.50lcandellminus 5-6 hours sleep time
02:46.54lcandellit wouldnt work.
02:47.06lcandellreturned the card and purchased a 128MB Lexar CF card.
02:47.09fliplapwas it formatted?
02:47.15lcandelljust pressed C+D+Reset...
02:47.19lcandellworked the first time
02:47.21lcandellits flashing now.
02:47.29lcandellfliplap: umm... 26 hours dewd :))
02:47.35fliplapmoreover, was it formatted correctly?
02:47.39lcandellyeah of course
02:47.48lcandellfdisk -t 6
02:47.54lcandellmkfs.msdos /dev/hda1
02:47.56lcandellblah blah
02:48.03lcandelldude, i did it every which way
02:48.07lcandellthe flash is done.
02:48.07fliplapheh
02:48.13lcandellwow, this lexar card kicks ass.
02:48.15lcandellmy flash is done.
02:48.24lcandellomfg
02:48.33lcandelli wasted like 20 hours with that other card.
02:48.45lcandelldude, this flash only took 4 minutes :-O
02:49.30lcandellhmm les see
02:49.43lcandellwoops i used the wrong rom :))
02:49.48lcandellzynergy haha
02:50.02lcandelli dont care i can flash weeeeeeeeeee
02:51.38lcandellcool, i can install new roms
02:56.29ljppqi?
02:57.12lcandellhey ljp
02:57.15lcandellyeah, pqi
02:57.22lcandelldude, lexar worked on the first try
02:57.35lcandellwas done flashing in less than 3-4 minutes
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02:59.57lcandelli returned both my sd / cf card from the same company
03:00.04Pendalarlexar is good, and cheap
03:00.13PendalarI have both a cf and sd from them
03:00.20Spechow cheap? and how big?
03:00.24lcandellyeah, lexar kicked ass on the first try.
03:00.38lcandellwell i purchased my 128MB CF Lexar for $34.99 and a $5.00 rebate
03:00.50Speci got a 256mb SD from sandisk
03:00.57Specfor 65$
03:00.58lcandelland im going to buy a 128MB SD card from staples.com for $29.99
03:01.05lcandellSpec: nice
03:01.06lcandellwhere?
03:01.07Specbwahah, 10 dollars cheaper :p
03:01.10Specprice club :-p
03:01.13lcandelloh dam
03:01.13Specor, rather, 'costco'
03:01.17lcandelldouble dam
03:01.24lcandellthats what i want a 256MB SD
03:01.24Speci think they are out...my teacher said "holy shit" and went the same day to try to get one
03:01.32lcandellSpec:  hahaha
03:01.44lcandellyeah, the price on those 256MB Sandisks is now $89.99
03:01.50Specouch :p
03:01.52lcandellso congrats :p
03:01.54SpecI are be lucky
03:02.05Specexcept it's technically my parents...and not mine... but, i'm sure they won't miss it :p
03:02.05lcandellyou are be da lucky :))
03:02.11lcandellcool, im just glad.
03:02.18lcandelli was starting to doubt myself with that PQI card.
03:02.21Specpqi?
03:02.26lcandellyeah, a no namer
03:02.36Zxcvbgo IBM if you want CF
03:02.36lcandellwhich will remain that way if their cards suck ass the way it just did.
03:02.45lcandellyeah, IBM is expensive though.
03:03.02Zxcvblcandell: 1GB for under $200, and faster than many flash cards
03:03.40lcandellanything over $50 is out of my price range :p
03:04.16Specunder 200 now?
03:04.21Spectwo weeks ago it was like 350+ :p
03:04.28Specprices be dropping, yay
03:04.31lcandellyeah, their prices fluctate like crazy
03:04.37ZxcvbSpec: it's a hard drive, though
03:04.40Speci know
03:05.03SpecYa know what i want...is a cf card that can connect to a monitor (and/or lcd projector)
03:05.10Specbut i doubt that's happening :p
03:05.50Specg'night
03:06.21Zxcvbanyone here use a microdrive?
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03:07.56lcandellnah, i wish.
03:08.29Zxcvblcandell: they are more fragile than CF flash, though
03:08.33lcandellim just going to hold out on a network card till they make those 802.11b/g's
03:08.40Zxcvblcandell: though they are apparently fairly tough
03:08.42lcandellZxcvb: yup, you cant shake them or really clonk them
03:09.28Zxcvblcandell: they seem to handle shaking fairly well
03:09.36Zxcvblcandell: at least as durable as my laptop
03:09.55Zxcvblcandell: or my firewire external 60gb drive
03:11.08Zxcvblcandell: though I do keep it in my zaurus case (camera bag) most of the time
03:11.24Zxcvblcandell: it can supposedly handle a launch into outer space, which shakes alot
03:12.01lcandellnice
03:12.15warmiah .. shit .. found a long standing bug ......  frigging floating point
03:12.21lcandelli just bought a IBM Thinkpad 755c from ebay hehe
03:12.31lcandell$25+$8 shipping woo :))
03:12.39Zxcvblcandell: mwave sound, ack
03:12.44Zxcvblcandell: I have a 755cd
03:12.47lcandellyeah, its okay :p
03:12.50lcandellZxcvb: nice!
03:12.58lcandellhello thinkpad / zaurus broda
03:13.06lcandelldid you get mwave to work?
03:13.20lcandell486 hehe
03:13.21Zxcvblcandell: 486/100, 40MB RAM (using a 32MB memory card that looks like a pcmcia card)
03:13.35Zxcvblcandell: nope, when installing slack 7.1, there was some corruption
03:13.36lcandellZxcvb: :)) youre kidding me
03:13.42lcandelloh man
03:13.45lcandellwell, does it work now?
03:13.54lcandelli think the drive is a 340MB
03:14.04Zxcvblcandell: not sure whether hdparm -E 2 /dev/hdc (cdrom drive) did it, or not using the mwave/loadlin hack did it
03:14.08lcandellimma install gentoo on it.
03:14.21Zxcvblcandell: stopped the corruption, that is
03:14.33Zxcvblcandell: gentoo will take a month to finish compiling
03:14.35lcandellah, so you have to boot through dos to get the mwave sound to work huh?
03:14.39Zxcvblcandell: yeah
03:14.49lcandellZxcvb: thanks to the Zaurus i learned how to cross compile :D
03:15.06Zxcvblcandell: if you use an external cdrom, you MUST use hdparm -E 2 /dev/<cdrom device>
03:15.06lcandellheh, i cross compiled a little chat client for the Z on my gentoo box
03:15.16Zxcvblcandell: that reduces the pcmcia cdrom to 2x speed
03:15.24lcandellZxcvb: im not going to use a cdrom i dont think.
03:15.32lcandellim going to do a network install of some sort.
03:15.54Zxcvblcandell: btw, http://solarflow.dyndns.org/wabi/index.html
03:16.03lcandellcool lemme check that out
03:16.08Zxcvblcandell: use wget to recursively download from their ftp site
03:16.16Zxcvblcandell: oh, you need a copy of win 3.1 or win 3.11
03:16.23lcandelloh, its on that site?
03:16.26Zxcvblcandell: ms office 4.2 runs perfectly
03:16.32lcandellhaha
03:16.34Zxcvblcandell: no, you need to get win 3.1 yourself
03:16.48Zxcvblcandell: google for it
03:16.55lcandell<PROTECTED>
03:17.06lcandellill ummm purchase a copy somewhere
03:17.25Zxcvblcandell: waiting for that qemu x86 emulator (userspace only, like FX!32 or em86 on the alpha) to support ARM
03:17.57lcandellcool dude thanks for the link :)
03:17.59Zxcvblcandell: starcraft on the zaurus anyone?
03:18.17lcandellhehe at starcraft on the Z
03:18.26Zxcvblcandell: through wine and that x86 emulator
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03:20.32cynstarcraft uses directX :(
03:20.35darienmBOCHS ?
03:20.51darienmI'm running Mac on my Zaurus using Basilisk.
03:20.59darienmHaven't tried the Windows thing yet.
03:21.07cynI'm vomiting profusely at all of this nonsense
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03:21.38geetooha
03:21.44lcandelldarienm: haha
03:21.53geetooim uzing my z
03:22.00lcandellgeetoo: cool :D
03:22.04lcandellyou get gyach to work?
03:22.16geetooyAH
03:22.21lcandellhaha nice :D
03:22.34darienmI've used opie-irc in the past.
03:22.38lcandelli just returned that other POS CF card and got a new one.
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03:22.46lcandellthe CF card was defective or something
03:22.54Zxcvbcyn: why not, combine wine with an x86 emulator
03:22.58lcandellhey geetoo you have a Frys around you?
03:23.06geetoowhT do i needto recompile
03:23.08lcandelllexar 128MB CF for $34.99
03:23.14geetoonope
03:23.25Zxcvbcyn: it would be slow
03:23.31lcandellim gonna flash OZ 3.2 onto it now
03:23.53cynplayable starcraft on the zaurus would be totally badass
03:23.56geetoolet me try a nd ssh
03:24.15Zxcvbcyn: playable as in a 486/33 running windows 98
03:24.21Zxcvbcyn: if that
03:24.21cynbut I'd rather someone implement a native client that worked 'for the z' instead of a bunch of emulation
03:24.25lcandellgeetoo: what version of ossh you going to use?
03:24.37Zxcvbcyn: you mean native engine replacement, like exult?
03:25.14geetoogivw me a sec
03:25.27lcandellman i knew flashing the z couldnt be hard.
03:25.32Zxcvbcyn: btw, ultima underworld for the pocketpc/wince is actually a custom x86 emulator, combined with alot of binary hacking (i.e. replace hard to emulate instructions)
03:25.35lcandellthis lexar card works like a charm
03:26.29Zxcvbhow fragile can a microdrive be if it can survive spaceflight on the shuttle?
03:27.19lcandellthe Z's about as fragile as i wanna get.
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03:27.36lcandellheh, you know those 755c's were taken into space during 98-99 flights?
03:27.47Zxcvblcandell: really?
03:27.53lcandellyeah dude :)
03:27.54geetoodudw im usin touch s rewn
03:27.56Zxcvblcandell: well, the microdrive was also taken into space
03:28.11lcandellwish their Deskstars would umm... last.
03:28.21lcandellgeetoo: haha i hate that touch screen :))
03:28.32geetoohmmm
03:28.35Zxcvblcandell: my 755cd is like a brick
03:28.37lcandellgeetoo: but it works :p
03:28.43geetoomy eyeshurt
03:28.43lcandellZxcvb: its small yes?
03:28.47lcandelli have not seen it yet.
03:28.57Zxcvblcandell: about standard
03:29.07lcandellah, so its not too tiny?
03:29.10Zxcvblcandell: nah
03:29.17Zxcvblcandell: 10.4 inch screen
03:29.21Zxcvblcandell: dual scan
03:29.26lcandellhaha open zaurus is cute
03:29.26geetoohow do i ssh to run ZIC
03:29.34Zxcvblcandell: and only works in Xfree86 3.3.6, and then only at 8bpp
03:29.40lcandellgeetoo: what ssh version u using?
03:29.47Zxcvblcandell: uses a western digital card
03:30.03lcandellZxcvb: ick
03:30.07geetoodudw im not sure
03:30.07Zxcvblcandell: but wabi and ms office 4.2 run nicely, much better than any linux office suite I know of
03:30.12lcandellZxcvb: well im not planning on running X on that bad boy
03:30.36lcandelljust a simple console based laptop with GNU Emacs is all i need :D
03:31.03lcandellyou running slack 8.1 / 9.*?
03:31.06Zxcvblcandell: wabi requires 8bpp, though an update allows it to run in 24bpp
03:31.15Zxcvblcandell: 7.1 on that laptop, for libc5 support
03:31.32lcandellcool... i was also just thinking of installing an older version of a distro on there.
03:31.55lcandelli have a slack 4.0 disk sitting here
03:32.17Zxcvblcandell: use 7.1
03:32.27geetooker dis u writ ZIC
03:32.28Zxcvblcandell: much lighter, and xfree86 3.3.6 has good support for older cards
03:32.30lcandellhmm...
03:32.58Zxcvblcandell: I remember slackware 96, kernel 2.0.0, and netscape 4.x on a lightning fast p75 with a whopping 16MB RAM
03:34.08lcandellhahaha
03:34.12lcandelltoo funny
03:34.25lcandellthe funny thing is the Z is more powerful than that 755c*
03:34.46Zxcvblcandell: and my old ti-86 is as powerful as my first real system, an apple iic
03:35.00Zxcvblcandell: real system as in the first system with a floppy drive
03:35.03lcandellscary
03:35.22Zxcvblcandell: my first system, the c64, didn't have a floppy drive as they were way too expensive
03:35.39lcandelli want to find a way to have the TI-86 emulator @ sourcforge ported to the Z if it has not been done so already
03:36.00Zxcvblcandell: all I had was a datasette deck and a few cartriges
03:36.01lcandellmy first system was a Performa 6100
03:36.03lcandellwhat a POS
03:36.12Zxcvblcandell: yeah, cassette tapes for storage
03:36.18lcandellhah
03:36.22lcandellhow old are you?
03:36.29Zxcvblcandell: yeah, 23
03:36.37lcandelldamned dude
03:36.46Zxcvblcandell: yeah, cassette tapes for storag
03:36.48Zxcvboops
03:36.50lcandellim 26 and i never used old stuff like that :p
03:36.52lcandelli was poor
03:37.07lcandellhell, i still am
03:37.09Zxcvblcandell: people complain about copy protection now, hah
03:37.34Zxcvblcandell: the protection on c64 floppies would _physically damage the floppy drive_ unless you used a cracked version
03:37.48lcandellwow, OZ is pretty
03:37.52Zxcvblcandell: it would bang the heads out of alignment, deliverately
03:38.05lcandellZxcvb: are you serious? :))
03:38.13lcandellthat is nuts!
03:38.52Zxcvblcandell: and the people writing the software knew it caused physical damage, but didn't care
03:39.08lcandellwell, why would they if you're stealing their software :p
03:39.32Zxcvblcandell: so if you didn't pirate, you would have to take the drive in every few months to get it realigned
03:39.38lcandelloz is nice
03:39.44Zxcvblcandell: no, it causes damage if you don't steal it
03:39.48lcandellZxcvb: ah... like that
03:39.50Zxcvblcandell: or buy it and crack it
03:40.00lcandellthat is harsh
03:40.02Zxcvblcandell: so by stealing/pirating, you protect your floppy drive from damage
03:40.15lcandellah, i misunderstood you
03:40.25Zxcvblcandell: if you are a legitimate user, you have to have your floppy heads realigned (about $40) every two months or so
03:40.48Zxcvblcandell: the worse copy protection gets, the more people will pirate to get around it
03:41.22fliplapsee, for me, its not that i don't have the money for the software
03:41.34fliplapits that i'm too lazy to goto the store, or wait for it to be shipped
03:41.54lcandelli dont remember the last time i purchased anything entertainment wise.
03:42.19Zxcvbfliplap: if you knew that if you bought the software, your cdrom would need replacement every 2 months, but if you pirate it, your cdrom drive won't be damaged, what would you do?
03:42.20fliplapif its something useful and easy to pay for, then sure, i'll buy it, like newsbin
03:42.20lcandelli have about 40GB's of mp3s / oggs
03:42.34lcandelland about 2.3GB's of technical ebooks
03:42.39fliplapZxcvb: i just wouldn't use that software
03:43.08Zxcvbfliplap: not to mention for me, I would rather pirate a dvd than purchase it
03:43.30lcandellwell after 74 minutes of using a Lexar CF flash card i have OZ 3.2 up and running and have flashed the Z 4 times already
03:43.34fliplapagain, i don't feel like going to the store to buy it
03:43.37Zxcvbfliplap: if I purchase a DVD and play it in linux 100 times, I commit 100 times
03:43.43lcandellwhomever suggested the Lexar THANK YOU!
03:43.44Zxcvbfliplap: commit 100 crimes
03:43.57Zxcvbfliplap: if I download a pirated copy, and watch it in linux 100 times, I only commit 1 crime
03:44.11lcandellthis is FAST!
03:44.24Zxcvbfliplap: the DMCA actually makes it better for me to pirate, rather than pay
03:44.25lcandelli used a 64/0 setup
03:44.25fliplapshrug, i don't own any DVDs
03:44.36lcandellme either... i have no dvd's (or dvd player)
03:44.45fliplapi got a DVD player free when i moved into my apartment, i use it to play vcds
03:44.47oGMoZxcvb: don't tell anyone that, next we'll have anti-crime-optimization laws
03:45.15oGMoZxcvb: if your crime is the equivalent of N other crimes, it'll be considered N crimes
03:47.53lcandellwow, OZ 3.2 is much nicer than sharp 2.38
03:48.29Zxcvbof course it is
03:48.46Zxcvbqpe is an older version of opie, before opie forked off
03:48.52lcandellaahhh
03:49.01lcandellthis is nice and fast
03:49.06lcandelli click a tab and its THERE
03:49.09treke|laptopqpe isnt an older of opie
03:49.25treke|laptopopie was originally qpe. then it forked from qpe
03:49.36treke|laptopQPE development continued
03:50.22lcandelleither way... good work on this OZ 3.2
03:50.30lcandellvery nice
03:55.28Zxcvbdoes opie use much from new QPE versions?
03:55.40treke|laptopsome stuff
04:07.31heatxsinkanyone in here used a Belkin Bluetooth Compact Flash Card with their Zaurus?
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04:18.03pHluidDamnit
04:18.09pHluidMy directional buttons are mad flakey now
04:18.28pHluidThey work, just really flakey
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04:21.15wParamgrag.. ok, so changing the size of ram/ramdisk is apparantly more complicated than changing some numbers
04:21.38MacGyverARE THE OZ FOR C700 HAS UPDATE ?
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04:24.08wParamhmm.. i guess this absolute starting position is wrong then
04:24.44lcandellcool... OZ is nice.
04:25.13lcandellit networked with usb and everything
04:25.54Zxcvbis it possible to change the kernel used in OZ without reflashing?
04:26.08fliplappossible, yes, easy, no.
04:26.55Zxcvbfliplap: in regular linux, I would just copy the kernel over and rerun lilo
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04:28.12fliplapyou can extract everything you need just by downloading the rom image
04:28.13fliplapno, you don't
04:28.19Zxcvbfliplap: the ipkripper script on the OZ faq does not extract the libraries
04:28.31fliplapso don't use that script
04:28.33Zxcvbfliplap: it will create a hancomword, hancomsheet, opera, and jeod package
04:28.41Zxcvbfliplap: it will not get the libs
04:28.43lcandellyou guys using any other browsers?
04:28.54fliplapZxcvb: wanna listen to me for a minute?
04:28.57lcandellhell, even links work work right about now.
04:28.59fliplapcause, i've done it
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04:32.33Zxcvbfliplap: that's dangerous
04:33.00Zxcvbfliplap: it could cd /opt (changed to ./opt), then try to copy /opt/QtPalmtop (which would then really become ./opt/opt/QtPalmtop
04:34.03fliplapagain, worked fine for me, perhaps i used a different creator package
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04:35.02Zxcvbfliplap: perhaps the creator scripts don't have that issue, but in general, it's a bad idea to modify scripts like that
04:36.58lcandellnice, OZ even comes with sshd preinstalled
04:37.08lcandellno fuss
04:46.48lcandellhey a quick question on flashing...
04:47.08lcandellcan i partition my CF card into a 16MB /dev/hda1 and then leave the rest to an ext2 ?
04:47.27lcandellcuz from what I can see... we dont need anything larger than 16MB's to flash...
04:47.45lcandelland 128MB's of FAT16 sucks ass... cant ln -s or anything :(
04:48.23lcandellhaving reiserfs on these cards would be great
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05:05.20frankpsgood morning
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05:14.03mspencerjust create a data file (dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/card/.reiserfs count=262144) and then mkfs and mount -o loop the filesystem you created :)
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05:24.04lcandellmspencer: that will work huh?
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05:43.53Marsupilami24Anyone help me try to mount a samba server to my zaurus? I've installed all the packages but still getting errors
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13:03.20Pendalarno one is selling the c700 cheaper yet =-/
13:03.53dougheckasend me one!
13:04.16PendalarI don't mind paying for it, I just can't spare that much atm
13:04.25Pendalarunless I can convince my son not to eat..
13:04.49dougheckahrm
13:04.51pHluidHow old is he?
13:05.01Pendalar1.5
13:05.15pHluidChrist
13:05.25pHluidTime for that little parasite to get out on his own anyways
13:05.33pHluidHe's leeched off you far too long
13:07.10Pendalarheh
13:07.13Pendalarwould be nice
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13:13.00dougheckaoooh
13:13.03dougheckasharp replyed back
13:13.14dougheckaThank you for contacting Sharp Electronics Corporation.
13:13.14doughecka<PROTECTED>
13:13.14dougheckaPlease call 877-794-8675 so a case file can be created. Once this is done you will be given the address on where to send the unit in for service.
13:13.37dougheckasheesh
13:15.01pHluiddough: My shit doesn't actually work.
13:15.02pHluidWell.
13:15.06pHluidNot "really" work.
13:15.15pHluidIt only boots with the AC adapter attached ;[
13:15.19dougheckaouch
13:15.25dougheckabattery is dead?
13:15.33dougheckawanna trade??
13:15.34doughecka:P
13:15.37pHluidSo now I've got a 4x6 desktop :(
13:15.43dougheckahah
13:15.50yeiazel:))
13:16.28dougheckaWe appreciate the opportunity to provide you with this information.  If you need additional information include all information from prior e-mail messages and replies.
13:16.28Pendalarthey won't take mine back, saying 1 bad pixel is within industry standards
13:16.39Pendalarhate to tell them my palm's never had bad pixels
13:16.44dougheckahuh
13:17.08pHluidWell, I don't think it's the battery, cause a) It turns on long enough for me to get a splash screen, b) I let it charge overnight and c) if I boot with the ac adapter in... then suspend and take it off... it resumes just fine. apm seems to read the battery fine. It just won't *boot* without the AC adapter attached
13:17.54pHluidI guess the easy answer here is don't shut the fucking thing down without the AC adapter handy.
13:18.07dougheckahah
13:18.29pHluidUnfortunately I didn't realise the problem until I took off for work without said adapter
13:18.36dougheckaPendalar: apples first laptop was like 20 pixals bad or something, and that was IMPRESSIVE...
13:18.42pHluidThough I'm thinking about sending it for service anyways
13:18.44pHluidGet that fixed
13:18.47dougheckayea
13:18.55pHluidand also my directional pad is flakey... works, but flakey
13:19.00pHluidwhich really fucks up my Tetris shit.
13:19.02dougheckaew
13:19.04dougheckahaha
13:19.22pHluidI'm just worried how much it would cost
13:19.30pHluidI mean you can get a brand new one for $200
13:19.34dougheckayea
13:19.43dougheckaor a c700 for 800
13:19.44doughecka:P
13:19.47dougheckaor whatever
13:19.55cyn800?!
13:19.59cyn500 man
13:20.03dougheckaoh?
13:20.08pHluidShipping it to Bob's Sharp Authorized Zaurus and Toaster Repair in TX, having them fix it, I could see that easily running over $100
13:20.19cynhaha pHluid ya
13:20.25dougheckaHAHAHAA
13:20.33cynMaytag man gunna repair yer zaurus
13:20.40pHluiddough: Seriously, wait till you talk to those fuckers in Texas
13:20.56dougheckapHluid: this is why I emailed them
13:20.58pHluidYou know it's bad when you call Sharp and they give you a number and say, "ask for Bobby"
13:21.02dougheckaI DONT WANT TO TALK TO THEM!
13:21.11doughecka:P
13:21.22pHluidI don't WANT a guy named Bobby repairing my shit
13:21.34pHluidI want an anonymous college grad with a lab coat on fixing it
13:21.39dougheckaLOL
13:21.48pHluidNot some fat guy in coveralls with a soldering iron in one hand and a Coors Light in the other ;[
13:22.00dougheckareeedneeek
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13:22.18dougheckaphoen][x: would you want bobby to fix ur zaurus?
13:22.24dougheckahttp://www.planetinternet.be/pixel/index.htm
13:22.39phoen][xI SNEAK PAST TO BUN!!
13:22.52dougheckawhats that mean anyway?
13:23.02phoen][xmy Z aint broken so there's no point in fixing it :)
13:23.05pHluidSince more than two years, Pixel has become the trendsetter on the Micro-Helicopter scene.
13:23.18pHluidSince more than two years English has not Pixel become easy.
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13:23.37dougheckalol
13:23.48pHluidHelicopter Pixel good, language skills not so.
13:24.15dougheckarofl
13:24.23phoen][xthose micro-helis look awesome
13:27.00pHluidOh, and f you for having a perfectly functional Z, phoen][x.
13:27.08pHluidShow off.
13:28.26phoen][xpHluid: whats that supposed to mean? is yours broken?
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13:29.06pHluidMine and dougheckaa
13:29.10pHluid...'s both.
13:29.11pHluid;[
13:29.27pHluidMine is half-ass broken
13:29.33pHluidIt only works with the AC adapter attached.
13:29.42pHluiddougheckaa's is bricked.
13:30.03phoen][xhmm, sounds strange - got it borked?
13:30.07dougheckaaI GOT A DIAG MENU! :P
13:30.22dougheckaabreakfast time... cool
13:30.27pHluidphoen][x: I dropped it Friday, wouldn't turn on after that
13:30.34pHluidWith or without AC adapter
13:30.44pHluidLet it sit over the weekend, picked it up on a whim and tried it
13:30.49pHluidGot splash screen then nothing
13:30.55pHluidHooked it up to AC adapter, booted up fine
13:31.14pHluidDetached from AC adapter
13:31.18pHluidTried to boot it
13:31.27pHluidsame thing, splash but then it blanks and cuts off
13:31.46pHluidI just tried to pull the battery and reinsert it and now it's bricked again
13:32.06phoen][xcrap
13:32.12pHluidI think maybe I partially severed the battery's power path or broke something else and it's shorting out
13:32.21phoen][xsounds like i should never drop mine
13:32.31pHluidIt wasn't even far :(
13:32.42pHluidthree, MAYBE four feet onto carpet
13:33.03pHluidWhen I picked it back up, the screen was frozen in greyscale with hash marks across it
13:33.12pHluidAnd it would't respond to anything short for a hard reset
13:33.14pHluid:(
13:33.27pHluid*short of a.
13:33.57pHluidI guess I can try opening it up and taking a looksy
13:33.58pHluidI mean
13:34.04pHluidit's not as if I'm gonna break it more.
13:34.20phoen][xmaybe the batt is borked?
13:34.27pHluidFrom dropping it??
13:35.19phoen][xheh, i've no experience with dropping batteries, sorry :D
13:35.40pHluidHoly shit these are the tiniest screws ever
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13:42.50dougheckaapHluid: the batterys have fuses built into them
13:42.55dougheckaamaybe the fuse broke
13:43.03dougheckaaand it only working some of the time
13:43.08dougheckaaits also got a thermister
13:43.11dougheckaaand somthing else
13:43.13dougheckaaI dunno
13:44.13Pendalarsometimes people have had problems where one unit can use a battery and another unit with same battery won't work
13:50.36dougheckaahuh
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14:29.30WintreGood news for everybody
14:29.36yeiazel:)
14:30.09dougheckaalol
14:31.43phoen][xheh
14:36.07dougheckaawoo
14:36.22dougheckaafree fixy of my zauri
14:36.58dougheckaaanyone know if the address is 1301 naperville road or 1300 naperville road?
14:39.03tux_mikenaperville road?
14:39.05tux_mikeIL?
14:39.07dougheckaayah
14:39.18tux_mikesharp repair center?
14:39.19dougheckaaremeoville or somthin
14:39.21dougheckaayea
14:39.24tux_mikeheh
14:39.34tux_mikei'm not to far from that right now
14:39.38dougheckaacool! :P
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14:45.47dougheckaaick
14:45.49dougheckaahey tim
14:45.56dougheckaaand I dunno
14:46.07dougheckaabuy a c700 :)
14:46.16dougheckaaand send me ur 5000 :)
14:50.19tux_mikehey tim
14:50.29dougheckaahey tim
14:50.36dougheckaa:P:
14:51.19tux_miketim: what have you been doing since you left lineo?
14:51.29dougheckaaworking I bet
14:57.07TimRikertux_mike: well, I'm a "Linux Technologist" at TI. I'll say a bit more at OLS.
14:57.22dougheckaaOLS?
14:57.33TimRikerhttp://LinuxSymposium.org/
14:57.53dougheckaacool
15:07.27kergoth`bblTimRiker: I cracked the touchscreen digitizer on my 5000d a long time ago.  Contacted Sharp regarding it, they had quoted like 300-350.. i said screw that..
15:07.30kergoth`bblmorning btw
15:07.40dougheckaahey kergoth
15:07.48dougheckaahaha
15:11.03CuCullinbtw, is the task scheduler supposed to be able to save templates with correctly assigned names at this point, or is that something being worked on?
15:11.17CuCullinin opie, as I should be more specific
15:19.02dougheckaaduno
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15:21.33chouimatmorning
15:21.52dougheckaamoin
15:22.03warmihi
15:22.09dougheckaaih
15:24.37CuCullinoh, and for anyone interested, to get backgrounds I had to type the name of the file manually, and it worked (when going through the launcher). The files were there, they just aren't listed when browsing.
15:25.37dougheckaahuh
15:28.22CuCullinI was having trouble setting background images using the launcher. Even though I downloaded some packages from opie-look, and the images were there, they are not listed when browsing for them in the launcher settings. The name of the file must be typed manually.
15:28.43dougheckaahuh
15:28.44dougheckaa:)
15:28.53CuCullin:)
15:28.53dougheckaaI just mailed my Z out today
15:29.03dougheckaaso I cant even test it
15:30.47ivani wonder how they debrick them
15:30.57dougheckaaJTAG
15:31.03warmithey just replaced the memory :-)
15:31.04kergothibot: monday
15:31.04from memory, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon
15:31.09warmireplaced= replace
15:31.26CuCullinwhat happened?
15:31.31dougheckaawarmi: no, they just write more stuff to the flash
15:31.53warmidougheckaa: with some special hardware or what ?
15:31.58dougheckaaa cable
15:32.01dougheckaaand software
15:32.05dougheckaaand something else
15:32.07dougheckaakergoth knows
15:32.10dougheckaabut he cant say
15:32.13dougheckaatop secret
15:32.19warmiyeah
15:32.20warmihehe
15:32.34kergothdougheckaa: yeah, you know the whole, if i told you, i'd have to kill you, thing
15:33.01dougheckaawell, if you tell me, I give you my word I would kill me
15:34.07dougheckaasilly sharp
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15:34.22kergothyep
15:34.28kergoth'silly'
15:34.35dougheckaaunderstatement, I know
15:34.36dougheckaa:)
15:34.36kergothi think i'd put it another way
15:34.40kergoth:)
15:34.48dougheckaastupid?
15:35.00dougheckaalike that D+P thing
15:35.12dougheckaais that ok to talk about? or is it like JTAG?
15:36.51shishihello
15:36.58dougheckaahello
15:37.00dougheckaaI guess not
15:37.01dougheckaa:)
15:37.13shishii have problem to adduser on my oZ 3.2
15:37.45shishiwhen i add it , i can't login with my new user and root too :(
15:38.03shishii have prompt (none)login:
15:38.09dougheckaaew
15:38.24kergoth(none)? your hostname didnt get set. that indicates something very bad happened
15:38.31kergothi.e. critical files in /etc deleted
15:38.41shishieuh
15:38.42dougheckaadouble ew
15:39.11shishii delete nothing in my /etc it's very curious :(
15:39.34dougheckaamaybe zaurus deleted it
15:39.39shishibut know i reflash it and i want to know how can add correctly
15:39.41dougheckaait has a mind of its own you know
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15:43.16dougheckaacan I flash OZ over USB?
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15:44.49warmianyone remember what is the name of C functions for getting decimal part out of float number ?
15:45.24dougheckaacspotrun
15:50.47warmieh f** it ... I can simply cast into int and then substract that from my float
15:50.48warmiheh
15:51.08kergothwarmi: rint, floor, ceil, round, nearbyint, any of those ring a bell?
15:52.19warmiyeah, but I am on Windows now I can't do quick "man"
15:52.20warmihehe
15:53.32warmithat works ->   int tmpt=(int)cinc; cinc=cinc-tmpt;
15:53.38warmicint being a float
15:53.44kergoth*cough*hack*cough*
15:53.46kergoth;)
15:54.03warmiyeah
15:54.19warmiI am going to turn this into fixed point anyway .. just testing right now
15:56.06ivanwhat are you writing?
15:56.14dougheckaafish
15:56.26kergothfish? mm fish
15:56.50warmiivan: a game where backgronud scrolls at variable speeds
15:56.58warmineeds to be handled using floats
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16:13.06warmimutexer: : when are you going to release PPC version of your game ?
16:13.21tux_mikehey warmi
16:13.29dougheckaamutexer: when are you going to release windows version of your game ?
16:13.44ivanBUT DOES IT RUN ON LINUX!?!?!
16:13.56warmihi tux_mike
16:14.04dougheckaain soviet russia, the linux runs YOU!
16:14.09warmiivan: yeah, it does
16:14.14effy-kunLOL
16:14.17ivani was just being a linux weanie
16:14.43tux_mikewarmi: did he come back?
16:15.18mutexerPPC version = 30th look like
16:15.21warmiI am sure he did .. I just haven't had a chance to see him today
16:15.25dougheckaahttp://www.microsoft.com/playtest/PlayForm.htm
16:15.29mutexerWindows/Linux version.. another 2-3 weeks
16:15.38dougheckaamutexer: wekl!
16:16.11mutexerit runs on everything but palm and macintosh cause I have neither of those machines
16:16.23dougheckaapalm??!
16:16.24dougheckaahaha
16:16.32dougheckaabtw get a palm emulator
16:16.43dougheckaaI have a rom if you need one ;)
16:16.55chouimatdougheckaa: i have all the roms
16:17.04dougheckaame too
16:17.13dougheckaaI downloaded all of them off palm.com
16:20.21chouimatsame here
16:20.29dougheckaa:)
16:20.40dougheckaaone day
16:21.02dougheckaaI hope to get palm, system 8.1, and linux apps running on my Z
16:21.18dougheckaaand gameboy
16:27.29dougheckaaand SNES
16:27.34dougheckaawhatever that is
16:27.45dougheckaaall on my 6 gig CF card
16:27.52pHluidStupid shit
16:27.54dougheckaarunning on a C700
16:27.57kergothheh
16:28.00pHluidPlaytester form doesn't work outside of IE
16:28.02kergoth~bitchslap dougheckaa
16:28.04ACTION beats the sh*t out of dougheckaa
16:28.05kergothcome back to reality
16:28.11dougheckaa:)
16:28.13dougheckaawell
16:28.25tux_mikehey kergoth
16:28.26dougheckaathey have gameboy, mac, and palm emus allready
16:28.31dougheckaapHluid: sux
16:28.44dougheckaaand someone was talking about a SNES
16:29.21kergothhey tux_mike
16:29.29dougheckaahey tux_mike
16:29.53tux_mikedamn... there's like no available ports :)
16:30.08dougheckaalol
16:30.18dougheckaalike... TCP/IP ports?
16:30.27dougheckaatheres only 65000 of them
16:30.30tux_mikeTCP/UDP
16:30.35tux_mikemost have been assigned
16:30.43dougheckaahuh
16:30.48dougheckaawhat do you use?
16:30.49dougheckaa:)
16:30.59dougheckaapick port number 44545
16:31.02dougheckaathats avalible
16:32.13tux_mikethat's a dynamic port
16:32.25tux_mikei'm also gonna need port numbers < 1024
16:33.52mutexera mac emulator for Zaurus?  AppleII?
16:35.10pHluid44545 is a *registered* port
16:35.25pHluidDynamic ports are > 49151
16:35.50tux_mikeyah, i saw that... my bad. read it wrong
16:36.30pHluidIf you absolutely need a sub 1024 port to use, 1001-1009 are unassigned, as are 914-988 and about a hundred others.
16:36.53tux_mikei've found a few gaps
16:37.11tux_mikei'm prolly gonna use the 770~ gap
16:37.34tux_mikei need 3, but i'd like a block of 5 for expansion
16:37.38pHluidOr you could Do the Right Thing and use a dynamic/private port :P
16:38.44tux_mikeum, this is a server service
16:38.59pHluidFor what?
16:39.08tux_mikea project i'm working on
16:39.28tux_mikeand i do need < 1024
16:39.41tux_mikei know what i'm doing, and i am doing the right thing
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16:58.45snotboyhey, someone posted something that looks hella fake on handango.
16:58.58snotboylooks like a rippoff
16:59.17snotboyit says Qtopia 1.6.1 ROM for Z 5500
17:02.08trekeor it coulbe be a qtopia 1.6.1 rom for the Z
17:02.32snotboyya, but i'm not paying $12 dollars for it
17:03.15trekelooks real to me
17:03.18snotboyeven the name says "By Private"
17:03.28snotboyhmm
17:03.44warmiwell, you can't call it a ripoff since Qtopia is GPLed software
17:04.29snotboyya, but $12 dollars is more than the cost of reproducing it
17:04.49warminoboyd ever said that GPLed software should be sold at the cost of media
17:04.56snotboytrue
17:05.08warmiI know what you mean though ..
17:05.18warmithey are "ripping off" trolls in some way
17:05.31trekethe real question is, is $12 more than the time to reproduce the rom would be worth to you
17:05.53trekewell the trolls did gpl qtopia, so I dont see that as ripping them off
17:06.02snotboyit wouldn't be too difficult to compile it myself.
17:06.30warmitreke: yeah, legally you can't call it a ripoff , as I indicated above, but still ..
17:06.31snotboyIt will be interesing to hear some feedback aboutl someone who has purchased it though
17:06.44warmihe is right in the sense that someone is trying to get "rich" of off trolls work
17:08.02WintreHe'll have about zero success
17:08.02warmiI wonder why Trolls GPLed Qtopia in the first place ..
17:08.13WintreHabit?
17:08.14Wintre:)
17:09.16warmiWintre: why do you think he won't sell any ?
17:09.20warmiI mean if it works
17:09.27mutexer1.6.1 lets you set backgrounds?
17:09.53WintreI suppose he might. Most people who have any clue will realize that he's selling ice to Eskimoes
17:10.04snotboylol
17:10.23mutexernot every zaurus user is a OpenSource Guru.. there are probably lots who dont even know how to compile code
17:10.38snotboypoint taken
17:10.41mutexercompiling some stuff is not trivial if your not a programmer
17:10.53WintreThis is true. But many are, and I bet that at least one of them will be compelled to put up the initrdb himself
17:11.00Wintres/db/d/
17:11.09mutexersomeone could buy ity and put it on an ftp
17:11.18WintreOr that.
17:11.24mutexerits all GPL so you can do that
17:11.29warmiWintre: haha
17:11.33mutexerI assume its ALL GPL
17:11.51snotboythe description makes it sound like it is
17:12.03warmiyeah,,  I can imagine someone purchasing it and then promptly releasing on killefiz. de for free
17:12.16mutexerI couldnt use it anyway.. its 5500 only
17:12.59mutexerthe question thats begs to be answered... someone knowing they can do that.. could probably also compile it themselves.. so why buy it and put it up.. why not compile it and put it up
17:13.42mutexerFor this reason is why I wont do a GPL app... GPL game is fine since the artwork and datafiles prevent it from being legally warezed
17:14.21warmimutexer: you can do the very same same thing with any app
17:14.24mutexeryou can only make money off GPL software from ignorant people
17:14.35mutexerif the whole package is FPL
17:14.37mutexerGPL
17:14.37warmimutexer: yeah , basically
17:14.38warmihehe
17:14.57mutexermost apps wont have stuff to package with them though is what Im saying
17:15.20mutexert5hey might have a config file.. but all the apps Ive written regenerate the config if its missing
17:15.30dougheckaamutexer: a REAL macintosh emu
17:15.34dougheckaait sorta works
17:15.44mutexercool.. cant I run OSX on my Zaurus?
17:15.45mutexer:P
17:15.49dougheckaano
17:15.52dougheckaaonly up to 8.1
17:15.58dougheckaa68k emu only
17:16.00dougheckaa:(
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17:16.18mutexerIM suprised apple doesnt have a PDA device
17:16.25dougheckaaipod
17:16.26dougheckaa:P
17:16.31mutexerthe ICandyDespencer or something
17:17.08mutexerthe iPalm
17:17.29mutexerrunning embedded darwin
17:18.11warmimutexer: apple PDA would probably cost more than a laptop from ,..say, Dell
17:19.07mutexerJobs: "you can have a iPalm for only $1500!"  Customer: "Thats kinda expensive"  Jobs: "Drink more of the cool aid..... Drink IT!"
17:19.39snotboyhaha
17:20.19warmiwell, they managed to convince quite a few people that somehow they are getting a better deal paying 2x as much a slower hardware that has a apple logo on it and looks cooler than your average PC
17:20.41mutexerits the drugs in the water
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17:21.22warmiwell, I don't want that water then
17:21.26snotboythat reminds me, they are supposed to have some special announcement today
17:21.37mutexergive you dislexia... OOH a new G4 is only 0004$ .. thats cheap!
17:21.43snotboysomething about purchasing Universal
17:21.50warmiah .. right
17:22.06mutexerthey did finally buy that then?
17:22.12snotboynot sure
17:22.19snotboybut there are rumors
17:22.19warmimutexer: don't know .. they are supposed to annouce something today
17:22.25mutexerI wonder if Al Gore has started production on the iGorebot
17:23.46snotboyI wouldn't doubt it, he will probably just look for something else to say he invented it just like he invented the internet
17:23.48mutexerhe wont lose the 2004 election when he has an army of candy coated death machines
17:24.02snotboyhaha
17:24.19warmiGore is history
17:24.28warmiand rightfully so :-)
17:24.29mutexer"Oh look they are so cute.. they have rainbow colors and everything" *machine gun fire* "ARRGGHHHH!!!!"
17:25.15snotboyit is a sad state of affairs to think that our country is run by orifices like bush, dick, and colon.
17:25.18mutexerin 2006 we will find out AL Gore Really is a robot.. created by Bill Gates to poison apple after he failed to get the presidency
17:25.31warmicolon ?
17:25.39snotboypowel
17:25.46warmiah
17:25.54kergothDIE LIBTOOL
17:25.57kergothDIE!!!
17:26.04mutexerColonBowel as Ive seen him on online games
17:26.07CuCullinyup, its dead.
17:26.14kergothyay
17:26.23warmihah
17:26.30warmikergoth: and now what ?
17:26.46mutexerwarmi: the 3700 series ipaqs sont have the two key press hardware bug... but the 3600 series does
17:26.52snotboyok Jim, you take his wallet, I'll take his tricorder
17:27.15mutexerI had to implement stylus controls... its wierd
17:27.22warmimutexer: ah .. I didn't even know there were 37xx ipaqs :-)
17:27.27CuCullinkergoth, shouldnt the irda applet be preinstalled?
17:27.39warmimutexer: well, I just simply gave up on 3600 devices
17:27.47CuCullinsoon as I set up the net connection over usb, I'll check for sure....
17:28.15mutexerI was told by one of our partners that a lot of people have them... so I made the controls so they can at least play even though its more difficult.. at first anyway
17:29.01warmiwell,they can play .. it is just they will have to make sure they are pressing only one key at a time :-)
17:29.31kergothCuCullin: ?
17:29.33kergothCuCullin: it is
17:29.59warmimutexer: I finally got everything working in my ZRaid game .. have all the graphics , animations etc .. now just get the levels finished up and it will be done
17:30.09mutexercool
17:30.23mutexeris it ppc as well?
17:30.50warmiit is ppc primarly .. I will be porting to Zs after PPC is out
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17:30.55CuCullinkergoth, ah. I thought it would be. The irda dialog is not coming up when I tap the irda applet icon
17:31.08CuCullinit turns red, then stops.
17:32.19snotboywarmi: do you use graphidraw on ppc
17:32.29kergothCuCullin: odd, never heard of that particular behavior
17:32.40warmisnotboy: yeah, GapiDraw
17:32.52snotboycool
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17:33.04Freddie_Hello everyone
17:33.11warmihi Freddie_
17:33.16Freddie_warmi!
17:33.20Freddie_heh, long time no see
17:33.52warmiyeah, heh
17:33.53mutexerIll probably get it on PPC
17:33.55CuCullinkergoth, eh, everything always goes wrong when it involves me. Thats why I'm a beta tester :)
17:34.11mutexerwarmi: did I tell you about the GAPI flaw with the buttons?
17:34.40warmimutexer: meaning it sends 2 keystrokes for each press ?
17:34.46mutexerno
17:34.59warmi??
17:35.11mutexerThe defined 8 buttons (left,right,up,down,start,a,b,c) are not always the 8 buttons on the front of the PPC
17:35.35mutexerone of the ipaq models we tested.. two of the front buttons didnt work.. the record button picked up one of those 8.. we didnt find the other one
17:35.51warmiuh .. did you report that to Johan ?
17:35.52mutexerso Im use windowproc and let them calibrate the controls
17:35.58mutexerno I didnt
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17:36.12mutexerIm ignoring the keystroke of 91.. which is the repeat
17:36.21mutexerit seems to work across all PPC models now
17:36.27Neo|Workmutexer: that is a problem with GAPI
17:36.31Neo|Worknothing you can do about it
17:36.34mutexeryeah I figured it was
17:36.41Neo|Workdouble key events for one button is also a system level flaw
17:37.06Neo|Workit's just part of the pocketpc development experience
17:37.10mutexerwarmi: how many keys does Zraid use?
17:37.18Neo|Workwhat GAPI gives you is what you are guaranteed you can use
17:37.23mutexerif you need all 8 like me you might want to try what I did
17:37.26Neo|Workother than that, you're screwed pretty much
17:37.58warmimutexer: 4 directional keys + fire
17:38.05mutexeryou should be fine then
17:38.15mutexerit was only 2 keys that didnt work on that model
17:38.20mutexerI blame compaq
17:38.32mutexerthey cause trouble with whatever they stick their hands in
17:38.52mutexerBVefore I started PPC development I actually thought they made good PPCs
17:40.08warmimutexer: that 91 (repeat) event is screwing me up tho at the moment .. I am gonna have to filter it out
17:40.27mutexeryeah it was screwing me up in the beginning too when i was using the GAPI keys
17:40.33Freddie_bbiaf
17:40.49mutexerjust check to see if the key event is any of the GAPI keys at the beginning of Keydown and Keyup and return if it isnt
17:42.06mutexercool thing about using windowproc is I can use any keys on the keyboard on my PC too.. although I dont test on the PC anymore (now that i have the freeform calibration).. but using enter, 1,2,3 was screwy when I was
17:44.51Neo|Workok, this is the hint I gotten from long time PPC developers:
17:45.24Neo|WorkEven with customizable keys, have a "safe keys" filter. Then in your code, when you check the keysym you got, verify against your defined keys
17:45.30Neo|Workwhich should always be gapi's 8 keys
17:45.50Neo|Workoptionally have a way to disable "safe keys only" since it's entirely possible there are more usable keys
17:46.18Neo|Workhowever (!) this is not safe since some devices have the brilliant idea that a key should send multiple events
17:46.34Neo|Workso one key us 0x50 0x33 and another one is 0x50 0x44
17:47.16Neo|WorkVery weird issue what you, knock on wood, don't have on the Zaurus (there instead you have the fscked up "cancel" and "menu" buttons instead)
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17:48.01mutexeryeah no one can make something that works correctly
17:48.16mutexerI wonder what problems palms have
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17:49.41mutexerwell if they cant get the keys to work someone can always use the mouse controls on my game... they arent that bad once you get used to them
17:52.32mutexerweve tested on ipaq 36xx, 37xx, 38xx, 39xx, Dell Axim,Toshiba PPC, and even a German ipaq... they all work.. still waiting on feedback from smartphone
17:53.26mutexerI dont think the smartphone will play it though.. might not have enoguh power with a 100mhz CPU
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18:03.06Neo|Workpalms? well, usually the have only like 4 buttons
18:03.17Neo|Workactually, dunno about newer palms but traditionally they only had 4
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18:19.51CuCullinlike I was saying before I ran into problems, thats why I'm a beta tester ;)
18:20.50CuCullinand, now reinstalling irda...
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18:41.51warmimutexer: u there ?
18:41.57warmiI mean .. here
18:41.58warmihehe
18:42.16Jnuahshas anyone  had any luck using the Pharos CF GPS card with the zaurus?
18:45.09CuCullinI never tried one, don't have it.... but if you buy me one I'll be sure to test it out for you ;)
18:45.38Jnuahswell... I've got one and it shows up as "serial/modem" when I plug it in
18:45.44CuCullinanyone have any clue why every ipkg will open as a tar.gz archive other than opmp2 skins?
18:45.50Jnuahsthen qpegps crashes on startup and locks up the zaurus
18:46.38mutexeryeah
18:47.04mutexerwhats up?
18:47.53warmiscreenshots from ZRaid ..
18:47.58warmiwithout objects present
18:47.58warmihttp://www.warmi.net/images/zraid/
18:48.12warmi( well, there are white squares standing for the real objects :-) )
18:49.18mutexerlooking good
18:49.27mutexerdeo you have to blow up the bridge?
18:49.41snotboynice
18:49.42MacGyvercool
18:50.03MacGyverrun on windows ?
18:50.09snotboywarmi: what app do you use to render the objects with?
18:51.29warmiMacGyver: it is PPC emulator of sorts on windows
18:51.37warmiI will be porting it to the zaurus
18:51.49warmisnotboy:  truespace caligari
18:52.01fliplapis there a prolog compiler for the Z?
18:52.04snotboycool
18:52.12mutexerwarmi: you gonna do a PPC port or play it on gapidraw on windows?
18:52.12warmimutexer: ; yeah .. blow up the bridges etc... well, you never played River Raid ?
18:52.37mutexerthat was a LONG time ago.. I thought I remembered blowing up bridges.. thats why I asked
18:53.10warmimutexer: this is PPC /Zaurus game
18:53.20warmiI won't even release desktop version
18:53.23mutexerah
18:53.43mutexerIve been told I should release a desktop version of my game.. so Im going too
18:54.00mutexerIM gonna port it to SDL though
18:56.32CuCullinspam is incredible.... Subject: Did you know 65% of Americans are FAT?!? Content: Surgery-free Penis Enlargment!!!!
18:57.09pHluidCuCullin: At least I can tell from you recieving it that they did their demographic research.
18:57.11pHluid:P
18:57.52Neo|Workouch. :P
18:58.26CuCullinnot really, to tell you the truth..... 5'11", I weigh 160lbs, and I keep in shape at the gym at station 2, I'm a volunteer firefighter.
18:58.39CuCullinbut my penis is definitely small if its supposed to be between 13
18:58.46CuCullinerr, 13" and 15" like they say
18:59.37warmihaha
19:00.47CuCullinjesus christ, I'll try to do this later... irda can be so f'ing flaky
19:01.30CuCullinwould anyone here happen to have an opie mp2 skin they could dcc me?
19:02.11pHluidCuCullin: It was a joke, man, just give a "heh" and move on :P
19:02.34CuCullinso was my 13" - 15" comment, I mean, cmon, whose penis is that little?
19:02.36CuCullin;)
19:02.44chouimat"H2O is hot water, and CO2 is cold water." <--- answer given by an american high school student in a test
19:02.51CuCullinlol
19:02.58pHluiddude, quit copying my fucking paper
19:02.59WintreWow
19:02.59pHluidseriously
19:03.01WintreNice
19:03.24pHluidYou guys ever see the paper on dihydrogen oxide
19:03.26CuCullinchouimat, doesnt surprise me. In my gf's health class, one of the girls said "If its made up of sugars, then why does it taste so salty?"
19:03.41pHluidWhere the guy got like hundreds of people to sign a petition trying to ban it
19:03.47CuCullinlol
19:03.50fliplapfilthy
19:04.00pHluidCuCullin: That's an old joke. :|
19:04.36chouimatCuCullin: better in a biology class in university ... when the teacher is old and the chick look like Pamela Anderson
19:04.38CuCullinpHluid, yes. The sad part is, the girl actually asked it, and meant it. I think someone else got her to ask, but this girl isn't all that bright...
19:07.05fliplapchouimat: at ASU that isn't an uncommon sight
19:07.06pHluidhttp://www.dhmo.org/spam/
19:07.12pHluidScroll down to "The Actual SPAM email"
19:07.40pHluidThat's a copy of the form a highschool student used to get damn near everybody in his school to sign a petition trying to ban dihydrogen monoxide
19:07.57pHluidOnly ONE kid out of 500 and some actually realised it was water.
19:08.54pHluidBesides
19:09.00CuCullinnow thats quality
19:09.06CuCullinI wonder if anyone sent in donations....
19:09.30pHluidStick that kid in a room half full of water and half full of carbon dioxide and let's see how fast (s)he figures out the difference :)
19:10.24chouimatlol
19:10.49CuCullinpHluid, I've got one better for you. Would you have, in your entire house, a CO detector and no smoke detectors? Keep in mind, btw, that cheap CO detectors tend to be direct plug-ins to electrical sockets.
19:11.26CuCullinoh, and the reasoning was, a CO detector should detect smoke (which it will... kind of. On the floor).
19:11.58CuCullinps: they dont have a house anymore, insurance will consider it gone, due to (shocker) smoke damage to the walls and ceilings.
19:12.41pHluidOh, I thought this was some kind of witty joke.
19:12.45pHluid;[
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19:13.00pHluidI was trying to figure out what the catch was, but you're just referring to somebody stupid.
19:13.13CuCullinno, just referring to stupidity
19:13.21CuCullinhappened over the weekend, on saturday
19:14.19CuCullindog died... if they had smoke detectors, they would have known beforehand.... but, they know better than everyone else, because a CO detector on the floor does the same thing as a smoke detector, right?
19:14.29CuCullinStupidity doesnt end at high school :)
19:14.58pHluidThat's what I keep a dog for
19:15.07pHluidLike canaries in a coal mine.
19:15.25pHluidThe possibility of opening a pocket of dead air in my house is actually very real. ;[
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19:16.14CuCullinhehe
19:16.51CuCullinnow, im in a graphics-making mood, and I just cant get my irda connection working... so anyone have any ideas on how to get my hands on mp2 skins?
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19:53.46shishihello
19:54.03shishisomeone can tell me where is .bashrc and .basprofile pliz ?
19:54.38rev|deskhow about you look for it?
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19:55.00rev|deskand the nreplace .bashrc with your other filename to find it
19:55.09rev|deskbut i imagine you mean .bashprofile, not .bas
19:55.35shishiyes of course bash_profile :)
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19:56.03shishinothing :(
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20:12.40warmi_awayfreenode is going nuts again
20:12.54rev|deskindeedie
20:17.48lcandellhey have any of you formatted your compact flash card with /dev/hda1 (FAT16) and say maybe /dev/hda2 /dev/hda3 in (ext2/3) and still had the CF card work properly while flashing your Z?
20:18.26dougheckaadunno
20:18.30dougheckaamy Z is in the mail
20:19.01rev|deskwoot
20:19.03lcandellah nice :)
20:19.24lcandellwell, i purchased a 128MB CF card, but its a waste having it all in FAT16 dammit
20:19.59dougheckaaoooh, a new ipod
20:20.05lcandelldougheckaa: where did you purchase it from and for how much?
20:20.13dougheckaaebay, for 142
20:20.20lcandellsweeet
20:20.28dougheckaabut it was unflashed
20:20.39dougheckaaso thats 4 bucks shipping to sharp
20:20.49dougheckaaplus shipping it here
20:21.05rev|deskunflashed?
20:21.11rev|deskyou can't just do it with a CF card?
20:21.15dougheckaanope
20:21.25dougheckaaflashed bad or something
20:21.26lcandellhmm
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20:21.30dougheckaawouldnt flash from my card
20:21.38rev|deskcrapulence
20:21.39SpecSo, is there a gui ipk manager that doesn't royall suck ass for the Sharp ROM?
20:21.48Spec"something bad happend" isn't very fucking useful >.<
20:22.22lcandellheh
20:22.23dougheckaasomething terrible happend
20:22.37lcandelldougheckaa: well how do you know you're buying a working Z?
20:22.48lcandelldougheckaa: i bet he tried upgrading the ROM and messed up.
20:22.52dougheckaaI saw a photo of it
20:22.54SpecWhatever, it fucking sucks :p
20:22.59warmi_awaywell, is this app any better with 5600 ?
20:23.08dougheckaaand it showed it booted up to the sharp screen with a cursor
20:23.11SpecWhere can one download opie-base for sharp?
20:23.32lcandellSpec: have you tried the OZ rom yet?
20:23.44dougheckaa~OZ
20:23.44well, oz is see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus
20:23.52Spec*snickers* no wireless lan (/won't sync with my comp), yes i've tried it
20:23.56Specit doesn't suck, but it renders my Z useless
20:24.04lcandellhow so?
20:24.06Specdoes opie-base work on sharp?
20:24.12SpecBecause, i can't access the internet or sync with my computer
20:24.20lcandellnot even through USB?
20:24.26Specaka: syncing via computer :p
20:24.28dougheckaaimpossimus
20:24.29lcandelli just set it up last night worked like a charm.
20:24.31lcandellaahhh
20:24.31Specdoesn't work for me, fo rsome reason
20:24.39Specor, rather, didn't
20:24.43lcandellyou using the intelisync or something?
20:24.51Speci haven't a clue
20:24.53Speci tried both i think
20:24.54lcandellhaha
20:25.25lcandelldude, the sharp rom is slow as fuck.
20:25.40SpecBut the Sharp ROM loves me!
20:25.59lcandelli had to shutdown and reboot the Z at least 4 times during these last two weeks due to "insufficient memory"
20:26.11lcandelli thought those days were over in my Windows days ;)
20:26.19Specyeah, i get that message....when i'm playing doom for a couple hours
20:26.28lcandellyeah see that sucks ass
20:26.37Spechehehe
20:27.22lcandellyou should retry the OZ rom with the 64/0 zImage
20:27.30lcandellits FAST
20:27.47Specehm...
20:27.55SpecI plan on switching to OZ
20:28.01Specwhen i get a wireless router and/or bridge
20:31.04lcandelldude i returned my wireless card
20:31.07lcandelltoo expensive ATM
20:31.57Specbah, it's only 79
20:32.00lcandelli need to sell my access point
20:32.06Specaka: i bought it, and now am broke
20:32.16lcandellSpec: exaaactly why i returned it :p
20:32.32lcandelli returned my 128 SD card too
20:32.44lcandellim just going to use this CF card till the 256MB SD cards go down in price.
20:33.21lcandellyou wanna buy an access point?
20:33.27Specyes :)
20:33.33SpecWell, i'm borrowing one from a teacher right now
20:33.33lcandell$43 you pay shipping
20:33.38Speci need to see if it can reach my room
20:33.46Specthere's no reason to buy one if it can't reach :p
20:33.53SpecAnyways, anyone know how to solve a little ipkg error?
20:33.54lcandellwhere is your room?
20:34.09Spectwo floors up from my basement (where the router would be)
20:34.23SpecIt *should* reach
20:34.29Specmaybe via the vents
20:34.33Specwe'll see in a couple hours
20:34.41lcandellyou might need to get an antenna or something heh
20:34.45Specso, The following package were previously requested but have not been installed: opie-batteryapplet
20:34.56Spechow do i cancel that request?
20:35.17lcandellare you on the sharp rom?
20:36.11Specof course
20:36.24SpecYou don't have shitty problems like this on OZ :p
20:36.30lcandell<PROTECTED>
20:36.42lcandelli just installed it last night - so far so good
20:38.19Specso...about fixing it?
20:38.25SpecHey...doughecka...you're the one with the ROM problem?
20:38.48dougheckaawas
20:38.52dougheckaamy Z aint here no more
20:39.13SpecWhyn't?
20:39.28dougheckaasent it to sharp
20:39.42dougheckaathey will fix it for free
20:40.33Specwoot!
20:40.39SpecI was going to say keep emailing them once every half hour
20:40.42SpecThat usually speeds up the process :)
20:40.45dougheckaahah
20:40.50dougheckaaI had to call them
20:40.53Specoh?
20:40.56SpecThey give you a number? ^.^
20:40.58dougheckaayea
20:41.08dougheckaathey emailed back saying to call this number
20:41.18dougheckaaon hold for 5 min listening to (ugh) music
20:41.32dougheckaaand another 5 min sighing up to spam
20:41.33SpecThat's lame :p
20:41.43dougheckaaand presto! a case number and address
20:41.52SpecI think they should seriously upgrade their music choice :)
20:42.03Specanyways, i think i'm going to go about finding all the ipkg files
20:42.07dougheckaahaha
20:42.18Speci wish the syncing program would allow you to plop files in certain places
20:42.32dougheckaahehe
20:43.40kergothsyncing program?
20:44.16SpecSamba doesn't love you! Glue loves me!
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20:45.15kergothdougheckaa: dont hug that, you dont know where its been!
20:45.32dougheckaaoh
20:46.32Specscp ownz
20:46.36Specin a weird own-all sort of way
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20:50.07Specgarh
20:50.20SpecHow do you destroy ipkg's quiried list thingy
20:50.21Spec:p
20:50.37Spec(Question from friend: Does anyone here not use linux?)
20:51.12dougheckaame
20:52.15dougheckaabut I use knoppix
20:52.22dougheckaajust not very often
20:55.21Specknoppix is great
20:55.26Specexcept the hd-install is still a bit buggy
20:55.31dougheckaayea..
20:55.34dougheckaaI used that
20:55.37SpecBut i only use it for diagnostics of hardware
20:55.46dougheckaaah
20:55.47Specwhich is ironic because debian sucks at identifying hardware for you :p
20:56.02dougheckaaindeed, knoppix cant see my usb stuff
20:57.11pHluidDoes anybody here have a "dead" zaurus they'd be interested in getting rid of by any chance?
20:58.05Spec*snickers at pH*
20:58.11SpecIf you came here tomorrow, dougheckaa might have offered :p
20:58.15Speceh...yesterday :p
20:58.28dougheckaaor only 6 hours
20:58.30dougheckaa:)
20:58.36pHluidI know about dougheckaas, I know he's trying to get his repaired :)
20:58.37dougheckaapHluid: how much would you pay?
20:58.53Spec(I found out how to get rid of the querie...delete the entry in /home/root/usr/lib/ipkg/status)
20:58.58pHluidI just wonder if anybody has a defunct one that they've already gotten replaced or something like that
20:58.59dougheckaawould you pay... 200?
20:58.59dougheckaa:
20:58.59SpecMy ipkg doesn't suck as much now, whee
20:59.04pHluidBecause I figurd out what is wrong with my shit
20:59.09dougheckaaoh?
20:59.14dougheckaawhats wrong
20:59.18dougheckaawants wong?
20:59.19dougheckaa:P
20:59.20SpecNot drinking enough fluids, pHluid?
20:59.20pHluidAnd it's just the panel with the power button/directional pads and shit is fuxored
20:59.28dougheckaaah
20:59.34pHluidAnd I disassembled the little bastard and I could replace it myself if I had another one :)
20:59.48dougheckaacool
20:59.48dougheckaaebay
20:59.49dougheckaa:P
20:59.58SpecHail ebay!
21:00.26pHluidThe question is, if I bought a defunct one would it be cheaper that what Toothless Bobby in Texas would charge me to repair it
21:00.49dougheckaa300+ kergoth says
21:01.02kergothlcd/ts replacement is around there
21:01.03pHluidHis was like a fractured LCD though
21:01.08kergothyep
21:01.09dougheckaaah
21:01.17pHluidMine is just a flaky power button/d-pad
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21:01.29pHluidWhich shouldn't cost nearly as much as the LCD assembly...
21:01.35pHluidBut if it's like $100
21:01.40pHluidI might as well buy a 5500 :\
21:01.57pHluidSplurge the extra $100 and get something brand spanking new with more mem/flash than this old beat up 5000d
21:02.00SpecWhat do you have, pH?
21:02.45rev|deski really am jonsin for a decent kb for my Z
21:02.50dougheckaaof C700's and 5600's
21:02.58Specme likes my 5500
21:03.03dougheckaaor even 5500 and 5000ds too
21:03.07SpecIt's sleek, sexy, and in my possession
21:03.11dougheckaahaha
21:03.15Specand doom is now working :)
21:03.16rev|deski like my 5500 as much as any current Zaurus could be liked
21:03.21pHluiddoughecka: If you get one, I'm accepting donations of 5500's with burned up flash roms that I can cannibalize for parts :)
21:03.43rev|deskalexw: oho h!
21:03.45dougheckaaburned up flashroms are easy to fix
21:03.57dougheckaa:)
21:04.00dougheckaasend em to sharp
21:04.19SpecYeah...burned of flashroms...send to me [acts innocent]
21:04.27Specbecause they're totally useless...heh...heh...
21:04.28pHluidMaybe my Z just doesn't like to work at the office
21:04.33dougheckaayea!!!
21:04.39Spec:)
21:04.39dougheckaaforget I said that!
21:04.48pHluidCause everytime I bring the bitch home all bitter and pissed off and start dialing the place in TX to rma the goddamn thing, it boots
21:04.51dougheckaasend me the 5500s that wont boot up!
21:05.04Spechehehe
21:05.07dougheckaapHluid: maybe its you who dont like to work at the office?
21:05.16Specor me....i'm probably closer then doughheckaa (cheaper shipping)
21:05.26pHluiddough: If that was the case, my Z would freaking work, cause usually I'm trying to boot it to play some damn tetris.
21:05.33dougheckaahaha
21:05.37dougheckaatetris?
21:05.47dougheckaayou know the new ipod has solitair on it...
21:05.49pHluidTetrix.
21:05.53SpecSo, is there any hardware for the I/O at the bottom of the 5500? :)
21:05.54pHluidSo does my Z :P
21:06.04pHluidThough I can't fucking beat Solitaire on the Z :\
21:06.05dougheckaaSpec: a desktop to sync to
21:06.09pHluidThe damn thing is rigged
21:06.11Specbah
21:06.12dougheckaapHluid: indeed :P
21:06.13Speci own solitaire :0
21:06.18SpecEasily :p
21:06.22SpecThe ending is way cool
21:06.23pHluidI own tetrix :P
21:06.25dougheckaahaha
21:06.32pHluid4812 is my current high score on Tetrix
21:06.39Speci don't play your low class games tetrix
21:06.43Speci doom and solitaire :p
21:06.46pHluidBish please
21:06.53dougheckaaquake!
21:07.01dougheckaaor UT!!! bwuahaha
21:07.02SpecI actually haven't tried quake yet
21:07.07Specdoes quake work well on the Z?
21:07.13Spec(UT is so not out for the Z...is it? :))
21:07.14pHluidDefine "well"
21:07.24Specas good as doom does
21:07.30dougheckaaSpec: well...
21:07.36dougheckaathe UT isnt really the REAL UT
21:07.41dougheckaaits just a dumb app
21:07.44dougheckaasomeone named UT
21:07.45dougheckaa:P
21:07.59pHluidYou know
21:08.08pHluidWell nm.
21:08.31pHluidI was just thinking it would be cool if some of these old shareware people converted their old games to handhelds
21:08.40pHluidLike the old Epic, Apogee, and id games
21:08.47dougheckaayea
21:08.52SpecDoes anyone know of any good remote control-emulator programs?
21:08.55pHluidBut it'd probably be more effort than it was worth, if they didn't already have a linux port
21:09.02dougheckaaproblem is people by the time the old games get old, they dont support them any more
21:09.16SpecOo
21:09.16dougheckaaopie-remote or something like that
21:09.18dougheckaaI dunno
21:09.21Speca dos emulator
21:09.27Specopie-remote looks pseudo complex for my simple mind
21:09.31dougheckaalol
21:09.35Specyou need to download a controller file, etc etc
21:09.43pHluidpansy
21:09.47SpecI'll try that out...in a couple days
21:09.54Speca dos emulator would rock
21:10.00Speci could get liero working, and other classic dos games :p
21:10.05dougheckaathey have a macintosh emu
21:10.05pHluidI actually need to look into that, I meant to experiment with using my Z + IR reciever on my comp + girder to control WMP and my tv tuner
21:10.16Specthat was my..err...'friend'...
21:10.16pHluidAnd find out once and for all the effective range of the IR port
21:10.19pHluidBut I got lazy.
21:10.29pHluidAnd then I semi-bricked my Z. :(
21:10.29dougheckaahah
21:10.31SpecThe sharp ROM's IR support blows :(
21:11.50pHluidIf nothing else, my IR reciever has a really long cord, I could string it under the carpet to the bed and just lean over to change the channel
21:12.08pHluidI already wired an ethernet port behind the bedstand, I might as well. :|
21:12.08kergothSpec: s/'s IR support//;
21:12.09dougheckaahehe
21:12.09SirPsycho-workwhy not use a tv remote control ?
21:12.33dougheckaaSirPsycho-work: stupid, that would be so... 90s
21:12.36dougheckaa:)
21:12.41pHluidFor real.
21:13.37Specwhat, kergoth? o.O
21:13.43pHluidPlus you're just not cool unless you're like sitting on your fat ass on your Z IRC'ing by VNC'ing to your comp and SSH'ing to your shell while leaning in 3 feet to your reciever to change the channel on your tv tuner.
21:14.02dougheckaahaha
21:14.11SpecDoes vnc work well on the Z, and it's only for OZ, right?
21:14.16pHluidtv remote. pfft. pansy ass.
21:14.38pHluidSpec: I've never used it actually, cause I have WinConnect, which makes more sense since I use XP.
21:14.41Spec(IR watches are better)
21:14.42pHluidAnd RDP is like
21:14.46pHluida FUCK of a lot better than VNC.
21:14.52dougheckaalike, yea
21:15.06dougheckaaVNC is so, like, 90s
21:15.11Specwell...
21:15.13pHluidvnc is the three legged sack race of remote management :\
21:15.14Specsecure vnc of course :p
21:15.22dougheckaalol
21:15.22kergothSpec: ah, you dont speak regex?
21:15.23kergothheheh
21:15.28SpecI don't speak...:)
21:15.36dougheckaawhats speak?
21:15.38pHluidnot an issue of security, it's an issue of VNC being S...L...O...W.
21:15.46dougheckaalol
21:15.55SpecI don't need to vnc into my Zaurus...i always have it with me...it sits on the ground next to my bed when i sleep *twitches* if i sleep
21:16.04dougheckaalol
21:16.04Spec(True, VNC is slow, is there an alternative?)
21:16.10dougheckaaremote X
21:16.10dougheckaa:P
21:16.17kergothspeaking of X
21:16.18dougheckaabut thats like, so, 80s
21:16.18pHluidX, RDP, Citrix.
21:16.19SpecI don't run linux as a desktop
21:16.25pHluidpcAnywhere
21:16.25kergothmallum has a nice X OZ rom for the 5000d
21:16.28Specthe only linux i really use is my server(s)
21:16.28kergothand 5500
21:16.28pHluidA hundred other apps
21:16.29kergothheheh
21:16.35pHluidThat are all a hell of a lot faster than VNC
21:16.39dougheckaaSpec: if you have XP use remote desktop
21:16.51dougheckaaXP pro
21:16.55dougheckaahome dont have it
21:17.02pHluidOr 2k Server
21:17.06dougheckaaor that
21:17.13dougheckaaor .net server
21:17.14dougheckaa:P
21:17.18pHluidYou can have 2 RDP logins with 2k Server without buying CALs and whatnot
21:17.21pHluidBut that's all RDP
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21:17.28dougheckaayea
21:17.32dougheckaabut...
21:17.34SpecI don't use Xp
21:17.36SpecXp is for losers :p
21:17.38dougheckaayou dont NEED to pay them
21:17.47dougheckaaSpec: you still use 2000????
21:17.51dougheckaawow, how do you live
21:17.57SpecUmm..linux server
21:18.00Specwin2k owns
21:18.01pHluiddough: It won't let more than 2 clients connect without installing Terminal Server Licensing
21:18.02dougheckaaXP is like, so more stable
21:18.05Specno it's not :p
21:18.12dougheckaapHluid: ah
21:18.12SpecI've crashed my friends XP much more then my win2k
21:18.24dougheckaaSpec: mostly becuase he had it setup like it was a 98 box
21:18.30Specno :p
21:18.34SpecI actually enjoy 98
21:18.38pHluidI like XP. It's definately not "more stable" than 2k for me, but it has other niceties that make up for it
21:18.40dougheckaaoh god
21:18.41SpecIt's much faster to boot up then win2k
21:18.42pHluidAnd it's never *crashed*
21:18.46SpecBut it crashes a lot
21:18.50pHluidIt just flakes out on me sometimes and does weird things.
21:18.56dougheckaapHluid: exacly
21:19.00SpecMy debian never crashes.
21:19.01Specever.
21:19.05dougheckaalike today, it just wierded out
21:19.09dougheckaaso I had to reboot
21:19.12SpecIt doesn't do anything bad, it doesn't do anything weird. It's godlike :p
21:19.13pHluidMy task manager is broken :(
21:19.13dougheckaafirst reboot in weeks
21:19.17pHluidWell it kind of works
21:19.19dougheckaapHluid: hmm, reboot? :P
21:19.26pHluidBut the top of the window is missing, so I can't view processes and shit
21:19.33pHluidonly the active applications tab
21:19.54dougheckaaah
21:20.00pHluidmeh
21:20.08pHluidand there's no window control buttons
21:20.11pHluidso I have to alt-f4
21:20.12dougheckaaits an option I think
21:20.19pHluidand occassionally that closes other shit, like I just did right there :(
21:20.33pHluidWhen I hit ctrl-alt-del I don't get the shutdown menu anymore
21:20.42pHluidI just get the borked taskman
21:20.47SpecI think i have to go home now :p
21:20.48dougheckaaindeed
21:20.54pHluidWhich is rather inconvenient when I need to kill a hung process
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21:21.23dougheckaahuh
21:21.24dougheckaamaybe not
21:21.29dougheckaadunno
21:21.36dougheckaaSpec: hmm
21:21.41dougheckaaupgrade to XP pro
21:21.45Specargh
21:21.49Speci don't want to put my Z behind a firewall
21:21.54dougheckaayou dont have to
21:21.57dougheckaaI disabled mine
21:22.00Specwireless router
21:22.01dougheckaaand its off by default
21:22.05dougheckaaoh
21:22.06dougheckaaick
21:22.08Specyeah, i know, but it's a school router i'm borrowing
21:22.11dougheckaaah
21:22.20SpecI suppose there's no way around it
21:22.23pHluidAwesome
21:22.28pHluidWe're getting a whole reality tv channel
21:22.32Specah well, the school can go cry when their configs are changed :p
21:22.40pHluidnow I'll never have to get a real life.
21:22.41dougheckaaSpec: hah
21:22.44dougheckaapHluid: hah
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21:23.43dougheckaadoh!
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21:56.33Keidonany of you use the zaurus for taking notes during lectures ?
21:59.20corKeidon i did, i used http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=776 with some success
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22:16.17Keidonanother q .. does the zaurus support writing text anywhere on the screen or do you *have* you use the text entry area ?
22:16.38kergothyou have to use the text entry area with qtopia or opie
22:16.50kergothxstroke can handle it, but thats if you're using X on your Z, not qtopia/opie
22:17.03Pendalaranyone have ensim experience?
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22:19.03fishy<PROTECTED>
22:19.04fishy!!
22:19.13fishyfor that notetaking SW
22:20.40Keidonwhat's 5 bucks ?
22:21.28kergothno kidding, ya drop 5 bucks on a damn meal at mcdonalds for gods sake
22:21.51Keidoni agree
22:25.09Pendalargod no one even knows what it is
22:25.37kergothPendalar: heheh. no idea
22:26.25Pendalarit's some fancy expensive web panel for system admin'ing... rackspace and a few others give to clients
22:26.35Pendalarbut it controls the entire system
22:26.50Pendalarfor example you can't update php with your normal latest diff or what not
22:26.54kergothah
22:26.57Pendalaryou have to have php-ensim-blah package
22:27.08Pendalarit's driving me nuts on this box I recently took under admin'ing
22:28.42kergothPendalar: i like webmin myself :)
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22:29.56PendalarI like no web panel =-/
22:30.17kergothwell yeah, but if you're going to use one, at least use an open one that's highly modular and maintainable
22:30.20kergothheheh
22:30.52kergothfor example, i set the firewall at my parents house up with it, knowing my little bro knew enough to maintain it that way
22:30.55kergothheheh
22:31.27Pendalarthis one was preinstalled by rackspace ... nada I can do about it
22:31.35Pendalarbut it's keeping me from fixing apache/php
22:31.38kergoththat sucks
22:31.46Pendalarto boot it's RH =-/ so I've got double pickiness
22:32.26kergothPendalar: eek, stuck maintaining someone elses redhat box. icky.
22:32.55Pendalaryep
22:33.38Pendalarthe 'paying' admin is clueless and the company refuses to do anything
22:33.44Pendalar'we gave you a webpanel, be happy'
22:34.04PendalarI can fix his system, but I'll have to rip ensim out completely and rip most of RH out
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22:34.08Pendalarit's httpd crap =-/
22:34.16Pendalarput in a real apache/php/mysql/et al
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22:39.18Pendalarhah here's the sort of thing I get when I do up2date -i php
22:39.19Pendalarphp-gettext-4.1.2-1ensimgsn1             requires php = 4.1.2-1ensimgsn1
22:40.11Pendalarlike I know where to find that =-/
22:42.24mspencerdamn, this 1 GB microdrive is small!
22:43.08mspencermeasured with US pennies:  it's a shade under 4 pennies thick, with a surface roughly four pennies square (with a couple extra mm on one side)
22:43.50mspencerlaid on my keyboard, it covers about four keys (and overlaps over the gap so it's almost touching the next two keys)
22:43.58zauruslovermspencer : any deals on the net for the 1GB Microdrive ?
22:44.10mspencernot sure.  compusa had it in-store for 250
22:44.20zaurusloveraah ! also does it work well with the C700 ?
22:44.35mspencerhaven't tried it yet.
22:44.37zaurusloverguys I wanted to know if the C700 has an SDIO-capable SD port ?
22:44.43zaurusloverhmmm
22:44.49mspencerOne thing I didn't (no, not SDIO capable)...anyway...
22:45.11kergothmspencer: ever get a chance to try the current oz c700 experimental image?
22:45.15mspencerone thing I didn't think of was...oops, microdrive and net card are mutually exclusive.  Filling this thing with files will be a challenge.  :)
22:45.20mspencerYes.  It was very cool.  :)
22:45.51mspencerI got busy and had to restore from backup -- I toasted the system by applying upgrades somehow, but I don't remember what I did that caused that.  I probably did something stupid, so I wouldn't worry about it yet.
22:45.57kergothk
22:46.02kergothlet me know if you have any comments or bug reports
22:46.07mspencererm not applying upgrades, installing new packages from the feed in that same directory :)
22:46.08kergothi know the cursors are rotated wrong, thats fixed
22:46.24mspencerarrow keys rotated 90 degrees...no way to control-Z...ah, cool :)
22:46.40mspencerthat is, Fn+shift+Z doesn't map to control-Z any more.
22:46.42kergothcontrol-Z doesnt work? we're using the kenrel keymap
22:46.46kergothhmm
22:46.50kergothdoes it work in pure console?
22:46.54kergothwe inherit that map
22:47.16mspencerI didn't try it there -- it wouldn't start /bin/sh the only time I got dropped to console, so I never got to spawn any processes and try to suspend them.
22:47.30kergothk, let me know if you get a chance
22:47.44kergotha few key bindings are wrong, due to my use of a remnant of the shitty trolltech keyboard handler
22:47.51kergothi.e. right shift doesnt work, left does right now
22:47.53mspencerFinals week is next week.  After then, you'll have a dedicated tester, bug reports and procedures and the whole bit :)
22:48.02kergothcool, i'd appreciate it
22:48.09mspencern/p :)
22:49.33kergothyou mean, change the default dest? it should default to whatever you had selected last time
22:49.38kergothwe need a "first boot wizard"
22:49.41dougheckaahaha
22:49.42kergothprompt to change the root pass
22:49.44kergothand shit
22:49.50mspenceralso, for those cards that seem to have trouble when formatted ext2...I experimented with creating a big ole data file on the existing VFAT filesystem, formatting *that* ext2, and mounting it -o loop.
22:49.52kergothand ask where you want your app data and settings, flash, ram, cf, or sd
22:49.58kergothmspencer: easier method
22:50.01mspencerPerformance was very bad.  It seemed to hang the system while writing to the card.
22:50.01kergothmspencer: mount -t umsdos
22:50.03kergothmspencer: :D
22:50.09kergothmspencer: it works well
22:50.09mspencercool :)
22:50.42zaurusloverHmm I read somewhere that Intel was touting that and all systems having XScale processor's have an SDIO capable SD slot ... maybe I mistook something
22:50.53_Psychoumsdos in the last image ?
22:51.08zaurusloverbad luck so ... the forthcoming SD Wi-Fi cards would not work on the C700
22:51.14kergothzauruslover: i think thats correct, but whether or not the Z can take advantage of it is something else entirely
22:51.28kergoth_Psycho: c700? i dont remember if i enabled it in our kernel build yet
22:51.41_Psychooh ok
22:51.45_Psychoi never build ther kernel
22:51.54_Psychowell i do but like always use yours
22:51.58zaurusloveraah i c ! :) thx for the clarification Kergoth
22:51.59kergoth_Psycho: vi packages/kernel-c700/corgi .. /UMSDOS
22:52.01kergoth_Psycho: :)
22:52.25_Psychobuilding the apps keep me more than busy :)
22:52.57_Psychoi still have not figured out why "sometime" my X or xmms freeze for like2  sec then come back
22:53.04_Psychoannoying listening music while ocmpiling
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23:21.02Locutus4242help: anybody 'up' on the serial_cs / pcmcia subsystem on the Z? My CF card gets recognized as the wrong device/driver.
23:23.48Locutus4242must be a holiday. ;)
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23:32.00jumpkickdoes test or unstable have fixes for the problems with opie power management or pcmcia stuff yet?
23:32.28Locutus4242help: anybody 'up' on the serial_cs / pcmcia subsystem on the Z? My CF card gets recognized as the wrong device/driver.  Thinks it's a 16C950 needs 16C650.
23:32.32jumpkickI have an annoying work around for the power managment stuff, but not the pcmica stuff
23:32.38kergothjumpkick: what? pcmcia hasnt had any problems.
23:33.07jumpkickopie won't eject my sd or cf card anymore
23:33.11kergothuhh
23:33.13kergothsd isnt pcmcia.
23:33.20jumpkickcf/
23:33.21jumpkick?
23:33.27kergothcf is pcmcia, sd isnt
23:33.42kergothif you cant eject, its because the card is in use.
23:33.45jumpkickmy bad
23:34.35jumpkickso when I ifdown wlan0
23:34.52kergothcardctl eject will call ifdown wlan0 implicitly
23:34.58jumpkickshould it be ejectable after that? or do i have to kill the wireless applet
23:35.08kergothi dont know about the wireless applet, i dont use it
23:35.21kergothtry disabling it as a test
23:36.32jumpkickkk
23:37.59jumpkicki'm going to try restarting opie
23:38.21dougheckaadont! it will blow up and make your freezer make your ice cream soft!
23:39.18jumpkickcrap... blow up my freezer.... good think i live in Canada...
23:39.30Pendalarkergoth do you have a wifi cf?
23:39.33kergothPendalar: yep
23:39.46dougheckaain canada, the outside IS your freezer!
23:39.50dougheckaaso you better watch out
23:39.58Pendalarin your ftab what do you use other than no lock and it not being auto?
23:40.07Pendalaror is auto ok, as long as nolock is there?
23:40.35kergothwhat exactly does fstab have to do with wifi?
23:40.36kergothheh
23:41.18Pendalarmtab ftab fstab whatever
23:41.21Pendalar=-P
23:41.28cynhas nothing to do with wifi whatsoever
23:41.34PendalarI'm asking the questions here lol
23:41.40dougheckaafabtab
23:41.47kergothPendalar: uh, fstab is for .. filesystems
23:41.53kergothPendalar: filesystems run on .. block devices
23:41.58kergothPendalar: not .. network interfaces
23:42.05cyn<PROTECTED>
23:42.10kergoth.....
23:42.12dougheckaa..........
23:42.31PendalarI thought you could do fstab if it was NFS
23:42.43jumpkickstill won't eject
23:42.45kergothPendalar: yes, but you didnt say that, now did you?
23:42.51kergothPendalar: no, you said absolutely nothing about nfs
23:42.55jumpkick:(
23:42.58kergothPendalar: you went wifi -> fstab
23:42.59kergothheh
23:43.10PendalarI figured someone with your intelligence...
23:43.13Pendalarn/m anyways..
23:43.16cynheh
23:43.19Pendalardo you mount via nfs?
23:43.40kergothPendalar: intelligence doesnt imply the ability to see through your fun not so logical leaps
23:43.41cynflattery works best when you're flatting something concievably possible
23:43.44kergothPendalar: :P
23:43.50kergothI dont use NFS personally.
23:44.11Pendalarwhat do you use instead?
23:44.21jumpkicksmb?
23:44.26dougheckaascp!
23:44.28PendalarI would like to get nfs over ssh tunnel going but it's a bit annoying
23:44.36dougheckaain insensitive clods!
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23:44.46Spechttp://4.64.19.174/
23:44.52SpecTwisted Web server on a Zaurus
23:45.03Pendalarno thanks, I've got apache
23:45.05dougheckaalets /. it!!!
23:45.08ivan!!!
23:45.32dougheckaaFunky Form: I got some values.value['zero', 'one', 'two']value1value1valueOnce upon a time... I fartedvalueCONEHEADSvalueChicken Little
23:45.43PendalarI'm thinking auto would be ok (against the suggestion in the faq) as long as it didn't lock
23:45.47Specapache is insuperior!
23:45.50Specapache is teh suck!
23:46.03Pendalarbecause it would try, fail, and non lockingly wait until the mount is done
23:46.09Pendalar(ie after pcmcia etc is up)
23:46.18Specfuck off, *innocent*
23:46.21Specdinner, bye :p
23:46.29SpecIt'd die within seconds, anyways
23:46.42dougheckaahm
23:46.48dougheckaahold on
23:46.48dougheckaaI am posting it
23:46.53cynsilly
23:46.55jumpkickmaybe you'll see the "line on fire" error message :)
23:46.57cyndon't brick his zaurus
23:47.13SpecI bet it could handle the bandwith! i'll see if it's working when i come back :p
23:47.13dougheckaathere
23:47.18dougheckaaI posted it
23:47.25dougheckaanow I will be modded into ablivian
23:47.41cynhe'll just turn it off and you'll be ignored
23:47.54dougheckaaI posted as an anonymouse cow
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23:54.24SpecAnonymous Cow?
23:54.27SpecThat's just odd....
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23:57.59Matthew_Ihow can i down load web pages with my z
23:58.21Specwget [webpage]
23:58.24Specwget is your friend
23:59.15Matthew_Ii mean through a web browser, like save page as kinda deal
23:59.31Specwget works just fine :0
23:59.35Spec:p
23:59.39Specaka: i don't know
23:59.45Matthew_Iwith pictures
23:59.53dougheckaacamera
23:59.55dougheckaascanner
23:59.56Spechehe
23:59.58dougheckaafilm
23:59.59Specoh, oh

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