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| 01:16.53 | mutexer | warmi: I made an icon for my file... it shows up in the file manager view correctly but doesnt show up on my shortcut.. any ideas? |
| 01:17.51 | warmi | this is what I have : |
| 01:17.53 | warmi | [Shortcuts] |
| 01:17.54 | warmi | Anigma,0,puzzle.exe,%CE14% |
| 01:18.43 | warmi | and I have an icon resource ( named Anigma) |
| 01:18.52 | warmi | that's pretty much all |
| 01:19.15 | mutexer | it shows a screwed up icon for me in the games directory |
| 01:19.38 | mutexer | Ive tried everything i can think of |
| 01:20.26 | warmi | mutexer : what happens when you move your PPC executable to your desktop machine ? |
| 01:20.38 | warmi | what kind of icon you are seeing on your Win box for that excutable? |
| 01:21.02 | mutexer | the correct one |
| 01:21.47 | warmi | beats me then .. |
| 01:21.50 | warmi | I don't know :-) |
| 01:22.26 | warmi | PPC simply should display an icon that is packaged with your executable which is the very same icon you are seeing on your desktop machine with PPC executable |
| 01:22.34 | warmi | I have no clue what's going on ;-) |
| 01:22.41 | mutexer | the exe does |
| 01:22.43 | warmi | unless Axim has a bug |
| 01:22.57 | mutexer | the shortcut in games folder in startmenu doesnt |
| 01:23.06 | ljp | wooooootttt! |
| 01:23.14 | mutexer | those two icons are different sizes |
| 01:23.15 | warmi | yeah, but if you create shortcut then the shortcut icon will be taken from the executable it points to |
| 01:23.21 | mutexer | the one in file manager is 16x16 |
| 01:23.31 | mutexer | I dont know the size of the other one but its big |
| 01:24.05 | mutexer | im guess 32x32 cause it looks like it copies the 16x16 one 4 times |
| 01:24.21 | warmi | ah yeah .. |
| 01:24.26 | warmi | you are right |
| 01:25.17 | warmi | what kind of icon did you create in VC++ 16x16 ? |
| 01:25.25 | Spec | yay for ljp |
| 01:25.45 | warmi | cause, in my case I created 32x32 and that's what I see in game folder |
| 01:26.17 | warmi | on the other hand in explorer I see 16x16 ( generated automatically ) |
| 01:26.38 | Spec | So..anyone know how to update the dictionary for "wordgame", on the Sharp Rom? :) |
| 01:27.07 | hobbs | it's in some lousy format. |
| 01:27.29 | hobbs | i.e. it's not just a list of words ;) |
| 01:27.44 | Spec | that's what i figured |
| 01:27.47 | Spec | it should be bedict compliant :p |
| 01:28.05 | mutexer | warmi: you created just 32x32 and it worked? |
| 01:28.07 | Spec | *is amazed it didn't have the word "wry", which utterly ruined his Z-scrabble experience* |
| 01:28.28 | krezel|examssuck | wry is a word? |
| 01:28.34 | mutexer | warmi: did you set the path to the icon file to be in the same directory as your exe? |
| 01:28.35 | krezel|examssuck | ibot: what is wry |
| 01:28.36 | | krezel|examssuck: what are you talking about? |
| 01:28.36 | hobbs | of course. |
| 01:28.49 | krezel|examssuck | ibot: dictionary wry |
| 01:28.50 | | see dict wry |
| 01:28.55 | krezel|examssuck | ibot dict wry |
| 01:29.06 | Spec | *snickers* |
| 01:29.15 | krezel|examssuck | ibot dict made up words |
| 01:29.23 | Spec | www.dictionary.com |
| 01:29.28 | warmi | mutexer : I used VC++ resource editor to create the icon |
| 01:29.47 | mutexer | we used an icon program |
| 01:30.07 | warmi | it basically created template for me (32x32) and I did the rest |
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| 01:37.55 | mutexer | ok IM trying something different.. maybe itll work |
| 01:42.06 | mutexer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.10 | mutexer | this is really odd |
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| 01:58.44 | rev|pc | got a questions fer my fellow zauriers |
| 01:58.53 | rev|pc | i just did a backup |
| 01:58.54 | rev|pc | then a hard reset |
| 01:58.56 | rev|pc | then a restore |
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| 01:59.18 | rev|pc | to make sure it worked before i depended too much the zaurus for real information... |
| 01:59.32 | rev|pc | and when i did the backup, i had about 100k free left of internal storage space |
| 01:59.47 | mewyn` | foo |
| 02:00.00 | rev|pc | and when i restored after the hard reset, i have a whopping 15 MB free now |
| 02:00.07 | rev|pc | that worries me |
| 02:00.12 | rev|pc | because either |
| 02:00.43 | rev|pc | a) something is fucked up on the Zaurus inherently or with some app that was spewing wasted space all over; or |
| 02:00.57 | rev|pc | b) the zaurus backup util doesn't back some particular area up |
| 02:01.02 | rev|pc | i'm checking my data and apps now |
| 02:01.03 | rev|pc | but oi |
| 02:01.15 | warmi | sounds like you backup went bad |
| 02:01.33 | rev|pc | well |
| 02:01.40 | warmi | I doubt there is an app that wastes space in this kind of fashion |
| 02:01.44 | rev|pc | yeah |
| 02:01.52 | rev|pc | so far i've not found anything missing |
| 02:01.58 | rev|pc | but still |
| 02:02.00 | warmi | hah |
| 02:02.03 | mewyn` | hey warmi |
| 02:02.15 | warmi | whad did you have there in the first place ? |
| 02:02.24 | warmi | what was taking so much space |
| 02:02.27 | warmi | perhaps installed apps ? |
| 02:02.35 | warmi | hi mewyn |
| 02:02.35 | rev|pc | not sure |
| 02:02.45 | rev|pc | it seemed like a lot more space than should be being taken up |
| 02:02.50 | rev|pc | i don't have that much stuff installed |
| 02:03.15 | rev|pc | checking the size of the backup file from today and another from a couple days ago, total i only have about 16 MB of stuff, app and data etc |
| 02:03.21 | rev|pc | so it makes sense for 15 MB to be free |
| 02:03.26 | rev|pc | but then what was the deal before? |
| 02:03.32 | rev|pc | and now, rotation doesn't work |
| 02:03.39 | rev|pc | but that was a problem before the restore/backup |
| 02:03.42 | rev|pc | but uff |
| 02:03.50 | Spec | It did that, rev, just so you won't be able to catch any sleep tonight. :) |
| 02:04.26 | rev|pc | it worked the first time i installed those two packages, i uninstalled them; i isntalled them again today and it doesn't draw any text, like if you forgot to install the fonts pkg- but it was installed. hrmpg |
| 02:04.29 | rev|pc | Spec: huh? |
| 02:05.12 | Spec | Your Z doesn't love you. |
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| 02:05.46 | rev|pc | heh |
| 02:05.55 | rev|pc | reminds me of desktop windows |
| 02:05.59 | rev|pc | stuff just not working occasionally |
| 02:06.18 | rev|pc | also my ebook reader stopped being able to page up to a higher page than was the earliest page in that session |
| 02:06.25 | warmi | rev|pc this is 5500 we are taking about here / |
| 02:06.33 | rev|pc | that is, if i finished at page 20, exit, reopen later, i cannot page up to pp 1-19 |
| 02:06.35 | rev|pc | warmi: yup |
| 02:11.09 | Spec | "occasionally" being constantly, rev? |
| 02:11.20 | Spec | (on the windows side) |
| 02:11.33 | rev|pc | realistically, not really |
| 02:11.35 | rev|pc | i mean |
| 02:11.37 | rev|pc | yes, windows sucks |
| 02:11.37 | Spec | The only problem i've had with the Z, is when i was using OZ it wouldn't suspend right away, and that got annoying |
| 02:11.53 | rev|pc | but stuff stops working only occasionally- if nothing ever worked then it wouldn't be as annoying |
| 02:11.54 | Spec | yeah, i know, i tend to exaggerate on windows, rev :p |
| 02:11.59 | rev|pc | because then people would just give up entirely |
| 02:12.01 | rev|pc | and we'd all be better off |
| 02:12.02 | rev|pc | :) |
| 02:12.12 | rev|pc | i gota try out OZ still |
| 02:12.24 | Spec | well, i can't really use OZ |
| 02:12.31 | rev|pc | i am going to talk to kergoth about adding my OE to a possible OZ distro |
| 02:12.34 | absentia2 | I just flashed the 21 kernel and 22 feed |
| 02:12.40 | absentia2 | oe ? |
| 02:12.43 | Spec | because it doesnt' sync right, and since i don't have a wireless internet at my house, it kinda renders the Z useless, so i put sharp back on :p |
| 02:12.53 | absentia2 | he just put in gcc, so now I can start working on fixes for code |
| 02:13.03 | absentia2 | how is sharp ? |
| 02:13.07 | Spec | Sharp rom? |
| 02:13.16 | absentia2 | I wonder if kergoth would do an image with the cache check off... too |
| 02:13.18 | Spec | Usable...OZ is nicer though :( |
| 02:13.21 | absentia2 | ya... I forgot what it was like. |
| 02:13.23 | absentia2 | ok |
| 02:13.30 | absentia2 | I use the gcc3 oz, I don't need the hancom |
| 02:13.52 | absentia2 | got 512mb sd, 128mb cf, linksys cf wifi, dlink cf wifi, etc. |
| 02:13.53 | Spec | I'd use OZ if i had wireless internet, or if i could get it to sync, *shrug* |
| 02:13.57 | absentia2 | very comfortable... |
| 02:14.07 | Spec | 512mb sd?! |
| 02:14.09 | Spec | Where? :p |
| 02:14.11 | absentia2 | I haven't tried usb or ir under oz |
| 02:14.21 | absentia2 | I live in times square |
| 02:14.31 | absentia2 | 512mb were at J&R accross from the pit (wtc) |
| 02:14.34 | absentia2 | look at tiger direct |
| 02:14.38 | Spec | Price? |
| 02:14.45 | absentia2 | $274 to $300 |
| 02:14.49 | Spec | ouch -.- |
| 02:14.52 | Spec | a bit steep |
| 02:15.12 | Spec | Can you send programs with IR with Sharp? |
| 02:15.13 | absentia2 | I picked up a 128mb cf for $39 at comp usa for a fall back flash, as I thought I couldn't flash from an ext2 sd |
| 02:15.15 | absentia2 | but I can. |
| 02:15.22 | Spec | I know how to receive, but there's no easy way to send, OZ made it really easy |
| 02:15.35 | absentia2 | ah! |
| 02:15.37 | absentia2 | true |
| 02:15.39 | absentia2 | I received.. |
| 02:15.45 | Spec | Heh, i use my teacher's 32mb cf |
| 02:15.51 | absentia2 | I want to get the 1gb sd and 2gb cf later. |
| 02:16.05 | Spec | there's a 1gig cf for 300+, but that's quit excessive |
| 02:16.16 | Spec | quite* even |
| 02:16.35 | absentia2 | ya?! sd ? |
| 02:16.42 | Spec | cf |
| 02:16.48 | Spec | by ibm |
| 02:17.03 | Spec | Unfortuantly the CF camera is not a good investment |
| 02:17.09 | absentia2 | ah |
| 02:17.17 | Spec | it needs a -lot- of lighting to work functionally |
| 02:17.19 | rev|pc | does it take shitty photos? |
| 02:17.38 | Spec | i haven't looked at them on the computer, but on the Z they look pretty shitty |
| 02:17.59 | Spec | so, that's a no go there, although, i kinda wanted one when i saw ZMeeting... |
| 02:18.11 | absentia2 | zmeeting ? |
| 02:18.25 | Spec | compatable with microsoft's netmeeting and linux's gnome-meeting |
| 02:18.34 | absentia2 | nice |
| 02:18.35 | Spec | online video conferencing |
| 02:18.42 | absentia2 | I wish the c700 would do mp3s correct |
| 02:19.05 | Spec | hmm? |
| 02:19.09 | rev|pc | absentia2: huh? |
| 02:19.14 | rev|pc | how does it do it wrong? |
| 02:19.30 | absentia2 | plays them too fast. |
| 02:19.33 | rev|pc | haha |
| 02:19.34 | rev|pc | no way |
| 02:19.36 | rev|pc | god |
| 02:19.38 | Spec | is there any difference in quality between the netgear wifi and the dlink one? |
| 02:19.42 | rev|pc | sharp sucks |
| 02:19.43 | rev|pc | heh |
| 02:19.45 | Spec | and the lynksys |
| 02:19.49 | absentia2 | I couldn't get a linksys scf12 to work |
| 02:19.51 | rev|pc | have you tried a different mp3 player? |
| 02:19.55 | absentia2 | but dlink worked right away |
| 02:19.58 | rev|pc | like xmms/mpeg123 or something? |
| 02:19.59 | absentia2 | no, gonna try another one now |
| 02:20.04 | Spec | xmms doesn't work on Sharp |
| 02:20.09 | rev|pc | ah |
| 02:20.14 | Spec | at least, i don't think it does |
| 02:20.24 | Spec | and mplayer crashed on mine, in fact, no codex worked when i tried |
| 02:20.27 | absentia2 | ah! slashdot on the c700 |
| 02:20.36 | mewyn` | http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/9675_energy.html bullshit! |
| 02:20.39 | rev|pc | ? |
| 02:20.40 | absentia2 | I want to get the next c700 with the pxa255 |
| 02:20.58 | Spec | OZ's mediaplayer comes with divx codecs i think, right? |
| 02:21.41 | absentia2 | ya |
| 02:21.44 | absentia2 | all pmm are bunk |
| 02:21.54 | absentia2 | 1st rule of thermodynamics |
| 02:22.07 | rev|pc | i'd get a C700 titakky if it had a PXA255 |
| 02:22.09 | rev|pc | and a better KB |
| 02:22.11 | rev|pc | 100% man |
| 02:22.27 | absentia2 | yup |
| 02:22.35 | absentia2 | I'm gonna sell my jp 700 ... |
| 02:22.38 | absentia2 | and get the american |
| 02:22.41 | absentia2 | but have 1 year headstart |
| 02:22.43 | absentia2 | :-> |
| 02:22.47 | absentia2 | I just need it for perl... |
| 02:22.48 | absentia2 | I can do that now |
| 02:22.51 | absentia2 | all else is extra |
| 02:22.51 | rev|pc | yeah |
| 02:22.52 | absentia2 | :-> |
| 02:22.58 | rev|pc | why not use a 5500 for perl? |
| 02:23.06 | rev|pc | i used to do a lot of perl coding on my Jornada 720 running WinCE |
| 02:23.07 | absentia2 | keyboard... and screen size |
| 02:23.07 | rev|pc | it ruled |
| 02:23.18 | rev|pc | even had Perl/Tk and an OK IDE |
| 02:23.23 | absentia2 | I'm tired of lugging a laptop... |
| 02:23.24 | rev|pc | and the kb was actually touch-typable |
| 02:23.25 | absentia2 | or sublaptop |
| 02:23.31 | rev|pc | yet was small enough to stick in my pocket |
| 02:23.46 | absentia2 | yup |
| 02:23.57 | absentia2 | I thouht about picking up some 5500s as scrap |
| 02:24.01 | rev|pc | i was --> <-- this close to getting a c700 |
| 02:24.06 | absentia2 | I was --><-- close to getting an ipaq |
| 02:24.09 | rev|pc | but the keyboard wasn't like i thought it was at first |
| 02:24.09 | absentia2 | but the size put me off |
| 02:24.14 | absentia2 | hahh!! |
| 02:24.16 | absentia2 | too funny |
| 02:24.18 | absentia2 | at the same time |
| 02:24.21 | rev|pc | i thought it could be touch-typed, but it is just a stinkin thumboard |
| 02:24.22 | rev|pc | haha |
| 02:24.23 | rev|pc | wow |
| 02:24.27 | rev|pc | i thought you were just copying me |
| 02:24.31 | rev|pc | that is hillarious |
| 02:24.35 | absentia2 | ynope |
| 02:24.37 | rev|pc | what about the size? |
| 02:24.39 | rev|pc | too small? |
| 02:24.44 | absentia2 | not at all |
| 02:24.49 | absentia2 | just he keys don't work under oz |
| 02:24.51 | absentia2 | no real escape |
| 02:24.53 | absentia2 | no / |
| 02:24.55 | absentia2 | etc. |
| 02:24.56 | rev|pc | ah |
| 02:25.01 | rev|pc | the ipaq? |
| 02:25.06 | absentia2 | c700 |
| 02:25.08 | rev|pc | ah |
| 02:25.14 | rev|pc | you said ipaq |
| 02:25.18 | rev|pc | er |
| 02:25.20 | absentia2 | I didn't think the ipaq had a keyboard |
| 02:25.22 | rev|pc | instead of a c700 you mean? |
| 02:25.24 | rev|pc | no it doesn't |
| 02:25.27 | rev|pc | but you can use external ones |
| 02:25.30 | absentia2 | naw, I read that the ipaq had intimate / familiar |
| 02:25.34 | absentia2 | I want full unix/x/ |
| 02:25.41 | rev|pc | <absentia2> I was --><-- close to getting an ipaq |
| 02:25.48 | absentia2 | the only bad thing I can see about the c700 is the cpu is crippled and the mem is 32mb |
| 02:25.50 | rev|pc | why not use full unix/x11 then? |
| 02:25.56 | absentia2 | if it was 128mb and the pxa255... it would be top |
| 02:26.04 | absentia2 | ya, I was close |
| 02:26.07 | absentia2 | I got the c00 instead |
| 02:26.09 | absentia2 | c700 |
| 02:26.10 | rev|pc | i had XFree86 on my WinCE Jornada 720 but i don't use it too often |
| 02:26.16 | absentia2 | you were that close to getting a c700 |
| 02:26.17 | absentia2 | :-> |
| 02:26.20 | absentia2 | ya |
| 02:26.32 | Spec | Wow, it's confusing trying to keep up with you guys :p |
| 02:26.32 | absentia2 | oooh |
| 02:26.35 | rev|pc | i forgot how browsing sucks more on the 320x240 screen compared to the 640x240 on the Jornada 720 |
| 02:26.38 | rev|pc | Spec: hehe |
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| 02:26.43 | absentia2 | I know, opie needs virtual screen size |
| 02:26.47 | absentia2 | and scroll borders |
| 02:26.47 | rev|pc | yeah |
| 02:26.50 | absentia2 | and then ZOOM... |
| 02:26.51 | rev|pc | totally |
| 02:26.56 | absentia2 | with those things it would be so good. |
| 02:27.04 | rev|pc | is there any way to rotate the *whole* QPE display? |
| 02:27.07 | rev|pc | not just individual apps? |
| 02:27.15 | absentia2 | well, 640x480 |
| 02:27.24 | rev|pc | not just virtual screen size, but compression too |
| 02:27.25 | absentia2 | my first laptop... $5000 was 640x480! |
| 02:27.31 | rev|pc | like NYDITOT's virtualDisplay on WinCE |
| 02:27.39 | rev|pc | it rules, you can set your rez to be like 2048x1024 heh |
| 02:27.44 | absentia2 | 486/100 and p2/75 |
| 02:27.48 | absentia2 | 300 mb disk |
| 02:27.49 | absentia2 | etc. |
| 02:27.50 | absentia2 | heheh |
| 02:27.50 | rev|pc | that particular resolution is of quesetionable usefulness naturally |
| 02:27.59 | rev|pc | sounds like a real speed demon of a machine |
| 02:28.03 | absentia2 | naw |
| 02:28.11 | absentia2 | we just need 1024x768 |
| 02:28.16 | absentia2 | even 800x600 would be nice |
| 02:28.24 | rev|pc | for virtual or real? |
| 02:28.30 | absentia2 | virt |
| 02:28.37 | rev|pc | ah |
| 02:28.39 | rev|pc | yeah, it does that too |
| 02:28.39 | Spec | virtual screen size...as in scrolling screen? |
| 02:28.41 | absentia2 | see |
| 02:28.46 | rev|pc | i'd run it at 1280x480 all the time |
| 02:28.46 | absentia2 | the problem now.. on the c7y00 is that it's not out |
| 02:28.50 | absentia2 | and the 5600 is not out |
| 02:28.50 | rev|pc | for PDFs and web |
| 02:28.53 | rev|pc | it worked quite well |
| 02:28.55 | absentia2 | and all the 5500 stuff is 320x240 |
| 02:28.58 | rev|pc | yeah |
| 02:29.02 | Spec | that would be the rock :p |
| 02:29.04 | warmi | ha ..scrolling around with 320x240 window .. I am not sure if this would be that usefull |
| 02:29.09 | Spec | for pictures, at any rate |
| 02:29.16 | rev|pc | Spec: yeah, wince sucks so bad, i hate being able to do cool stuff. hehehe |
| 02:29.21 | rev|pc | warmi: it could be |
| 02:29.26 | rev|pc | with a good implementation of it |
| 02:29.31 | rev|pc | but a shitty one would be... well, shitty |
| 02:29.42 | Spec | 5500 can't open my large and medium pictures off my camera's SD card, and that's no fun :p |
| 02:29.58 | rev|pc | Spec: why? RAM or just pixel size? |
| 02:30.16 | warmi | rev|pc: default image viewer is fucked up |
| 02:30.22 | rev|pc | ah |
| 02:30.24 | warmi | Spec use mooview |
| 02:30.30 | Spec | I'm not quite sure |
| 02:30.37 | Spec | I'm too lazy to actually READ the error message, sheesh. |
| 02:30.44 | warmi | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=232 |
| 02:30.46 | rev|pc | hah |
| 02:30.51 | Spec | god, you expected me to read them? :p |
| 02:31.05 | Spec | *snickers* i'll try mooview |
| 02:31.22 | warmi | I know... I code for qt and the problem is with Qimage class - that class originated from desktop Qt and uses huge amounts of memory to open an image |
| 02:31.31 | rev|pc | warmi: ewwww |
| 02:31.37 | warmi | it dies with 1024x768 on my zaurus |
| 02:31.39 | warmi | quite pathetic |
| 02:31.42 | rev|pc | wow |
| 02:31.44 | rev|pc | that is pathetic |
| 02:32.08 | warmi | mooview uses jpeg library directly and therefore is able to open very large images |
| 02:32.12 | rev|pc | if most linux users weren't so ... clouded ... people might convert to Dynapad from QPE in troves, heh |
| 02:32.17 | rev|pc | warmi: ah good to hear |
| 02:32.30 | warmi | 1600x1200 on 5000d |
| 02:32.33 | warmi | which has only 32 mbs |
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| 02:32.46 | warmi | Dynapad ? |
| 02:32.49 | rev|pc | sweet |
| 02:32.58 | rev|pc | Dynapad is my own PDA OE i've been working on |
| 02:33.01 | rev|pc | http://spe.sf.net |
| 02:33.14 | rev|pc | it is based on Squeak Smalltalk (http://squeak.org) |
| 02:33.15 | warmi | oh squeak |
| 02:33.23 | rev|pc | and already has a bunch of apps that are better than anything you can get for the Z |
| 02:33.23 | rev|pc | heh |
| 02:33.30 | warmi | does it run on the Zaurus ? |
| 02:33.53 | rev|pc | it's primarily for my own use, but others are using it too, and naturally i'm aiming for a general purpose good environment for anyone |
| 02:33.54 | rev|pc | yup |
| 02:34.01 | rev|pc | it runs really well on the zaurus |
| 02:34.10 | rev|pc | i actually got a Zaurus just for running it... |
| 02:34.11 | warmi | under X or using framebuffer directly ? |
| 02:34.58 | rev|pc | the one thing Linux actually does better than WindowsCE/PPC- Dynapad and Squeak run about 25% faster under Linux on the SL-5500 than on either an iPAQ or Jornada 720, even though they all have the same 206 MHz CPU |
| 02:35.07 | rev|pc | I run it under framebuffer |
| 02:35.11 | ninny | does anyone have a copy of the ipk and the source for IRK |
| 02:35.14 | rev|pc | but it also runs under X11 and Qtopia |
| 02:35.39 | warmi | rev|pc : that's not Linux |
| 02:35.56 | warmi | my asm class runs 30% faster on the ZAurus than on 206 MHZ ipaq |
| 02:36.04 | absentia2 | re |
| 02:36.11 | warmi | and my code has nothing to do with OS .. the zaurus hardware is simply faster |
| 02:36.13 | rev|pc | warmi: what do you mean that's not linux? |
| 02:36.15 | rev|pc | odd |
| 02:36.19 | rev|pc | do you have any guess why? |
| 02:36.23 | rev|pc | cache, bus? |
| 02:36.32 | warmi | I think memory access might be faster |
| 02:36.35 | warmi | or something along these lines |
| 02:36.44 | rev|pc | as well as Mac OS Classic/X, RISC OS, Unix/x11, desktop Linux, WinCE, and all desktop Windows > 3.1 and other oses |
| 02:36.46 | rev|pc | odd |
| 02:36.50 | rev|pc | i should look for some specs |
| 02:36.54 | Spec | argh |
| 02:36.55 | treke|ho1e | warmi: I think its more that the 3800 is just slower |
| 02:37.02 | warmi | cause my asm code basically does blit from one part of memory to another and it is 30% faster on my Z than it is on my ipaq 3835 |
| 02:37.05 | Spec | when i try to install mooview it says, "IPKG says something went wrong. sorry" |
| 02:37.05 | absentia2 | ok |
| 02:37.06 | warmi | 3850 actually |
| 02:37.06 | rev|pc | because the Jornada 720 has a wider memory bus than the iPAQ and the Z still beats it out |
| 02:37.09 | Spec | oh well, i'll try tomorrow, good night |
| 02:37.10 | absentia2 | back to world poker tour |
| 02:37.11 | rev|pc | huh |
| 02:37.20 | absentia2 | nice |
| 02:37.21 | rev|pc | the only iPAQs i've tested it on are the 3100 and 3600 series |
| 02:37.22 | treke|ho1e | warmi: I've seen a number of people complain about 3800 performance even compared to other ipaqs |
| 02:37.45 | rev|pc | the Jornada 720 runs Dynapad/Squeak a little bit faster than the iPAQ, but the Z still is a lot faster |
| 02:37.51 | warmi | treke : well, could be .. something is slower |
| 02:37.58 | warmi | either memory access or something like that |
| 02:38.01 | rev|pc | curious |
| 02:38.10 | warmi | I mean, it is not CPU that's for sure .. |
| 02:38.12 | warmi | it is the same |
| 02:38.13 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:38.14 | rev|pc | yeah |
| 02:38.18 | rev|pc | and memory is the same |
| 02:38.19 | rev|pc | i mean |
| 02:38.20 | rev|pc | size |
| 02:38.35 | rev|pc | (because squeak automatically uses CF swap space if it doesn't have enough) |
| 02:39.00 | rev|pc | i guess they had to make it fast as they could so compensate |
| 02:39.11 | rev|pc | holy shit |
| 02:39.15 | rev|pc | i bet this has something to do with it: |
| 02:39.18 | rev|pc | http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Nov/gee20021112017273.htm |
| 02:39.24 | rev|pc | the 5600 has a 100 MHz memory bus... !! |
| 02:39.31 | rev|pc | the 5500 may have the same or close |
| 02:39.35 | rev|pc | man, didn't know that |
| 02:39.41 | rev|pc | the iPAQs have like a 33 MHz memory bus |
| 02:39.49 | rev|pc | and the jornada 720 boasts a 50 MHz memory bus |
| 02:39.52 | rev|pc | which seems alot compared to the ipaq |
| 02:41.30 | absentia2 | ya |
| 02:41.39 | absentia2 | pxa255... and this c700 is awesome |
| 02:41.45 | fishy | :) |
| 02:41.49 | warmi | ha .. that would explain things |
| 02:41.58 | rev|pc | the c700 has a pxa250 tho right? |
| 02:42.01 | absentia2 | yup |
| 02:42.10 | absentia2 | people say it's not much faster than the strongarm |
| 02:42.12 | absentia2 | 250 |
| 02:42.14 | absentia2 | 200 ? |
| 02:42.21 | warmi | 250 sucks |
| 02:42.31 | rev|pc | it isn't faster than the strongarm |
| 02:42.37 | warmi | it is about as fast as 206 strongarm |
| 02:42.39 | rev|pc | partially because of the design partially the bus/cache/whatever |
| 02:42.46 | absentia2 | 206 |
| 02:42.46 | absentia2 | ya |
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| 02:42.56 | absentia2 | I want to see the kernel that turns off the cache check |
| 02:42.56 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o NeoTron] by ChanServ |
| 02:43.00 | absentia2 | and see just how unstable it is |
| 02:43.04 | rev|pc | the PXA250 has a much lower MIPS/MHz ratio than the SA-1100, but a much higher MIPS/MW |
| 02:43.08 | treke|ho1e | absentia2: it isnt always unstable |
| 02:43.18 | absentia2 | I know |
| 02:43.20 | absentia2 | I want to try it |
| 02:43.37 | treke|ho1e | some people have had good luck with it. problem is that it becomes unpredictable |
| 02:43.51 | warmi | rev|pc well, whatever the ratio .. for a 400 MHZ CPU it is slow like crap |
| 02:43.52 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:44.01 | rev|pc | warmi: yup |
| 02:44.07 | rev|pc | i remember when it was discussion on slashdot |
| 02:44.11 | rev|pc | and all the idiots came out of the cracks |
| 02:44.17 | absentia2 | that's why I'm gonna sell mine |
| 02:44.19 | absentia2 | to get the us version |
| 02:44.22 | absentia2 | with pxa255 |
| 02:44.29 | rev|pc | and were like D00D I HURD it Wuz because WinCE SuckzZ!!!! and MS doesn't do optimization SUCK!!! |
| 02:44.31 | rev|pc | idiots |
| 02:44.32 | rev|pc | heh |
| 02:44.33 | warmi | absentia with pxa255 ? |
| 02:44.38 | warmi | what US version |
| 02:44.38 | rev|pc | the US version has the pxa255?!?! |
| 02:44.45 | rev|pc | maybe a mythical one? |
| 02:44.45 | warmi | I am not aware of any zaurus with pxa255 |
| 02:44.49 | absentia2 | that's the rumour |
| 02:44.49 | absentia2 | heheh |
| 02:44.50 | rev|pc | nor am i |
| 02:44.56 | warmi | oh well :-) |
| 02:45.00 | absentia2 | but... I have my c700 in hand |
| 02:45.01 | absentia2 | it runs |
| 02:45.02 | warmi | can't argue with rumors |
| 02:45.03 | absentia2 | I'm happy |
| 02:45.07 | absentia2 | exactly. |
| 02:45.25 | treke|ho1e | well the rumor was that the US version of the C700 that may or may not get made would have a pxa255 |
| 02:45.31 | absentia2 | hahah |
| 02:45.32 | absentia2 | yup |
| 02:45.40 | absentia2 | and 128mb |
| 02:45.50 | absentia2 | does the c700 have 64mb ram? or 32mb ? |
| 02:45.52 | treke|ho1e | 32 |
| 02:46.04 | absentia2 | busybox doesn't have memstat |
| 02:46.05 | absentia2 | vmstat |
| 02:46.13 | absentia2 | ya, 32 is what I Thought... far too tight |
| 02:46.32 | rev|pc | ook kids |
| 02:46.32 | rev|pc | ciao |
| 02:46.38 | warmi | treke : I never even heard about US version in the first place .. let alone one with pxa255 |
| 02:46.55 | absentia2 | I thinik it was press rumour odder |
| 02:46.56 | absentia2 | fodder |
| 02:54.43 | ljp | no fun without George to pick on... |
| 02:56.06 | warmi | ibot logs gotten significantly smaller since he left |
| 02:56.07 | | i don't know, warmi |
| 02:56.10 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:56.39 | mewyn` | it sure is peaceful around here |
| 02:57.01 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:57.16 | George- | apple sucks |
| 02:57.35 | djr | actually i like apples |
| 02:57.40 | mewyn` | warmi: did you say wolak gets back on monday? |
| 02:57.43 | warmi | sounds like a cheap version of George |
| 02:57.44 | djr | esp the green sour ones |
| 02:57.45 | djr | mmm |
| 02:57.58 | George- | ~lart warmi |
| 02:58.03 | warmi | I think so .. he never disapers for more than a week or so |
| 02:58.24 | warmi | what kind of lart was that ... I already had PocketPC on my PDA |
| 02:58.32 | mewyn` | damnit, where'd he come from |
| 02:58.35 | George- | warmi: you traitor |
| 02:58.40 | George- | mewyn`: England |
| 02:58.46 | warmi | ha .. that was more like it |
| 02:58.49 | ljp | ~lart George- |
| 02:58.55 | George- | ~lart ljp |
| 02:59.04 | mewyn` | ~lart myself |
| 02:59.07 | George- | maybe I'll code something. |
| 02:59.14 | ljp | hehehe |
| 02:59.17 | George- | too bad I dont have my powerbook to code on |
| 02:59.19 | ljp | talk is cheap |
| 02:59.27 | George- | but if I had it, I'd be coding something |
| 02:59.42 | warmi | yeah .. somebody finish off with a quit channel kick |
| 02:59.46 | warmi | heh |
| 03:00.18 | ljp | ibot: kick George- #zaurus |
| 03:00.19 | | ljp: i don't know |
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| 03:00.35 | ljp | haha |
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| 03:00.38 | ivan | ~lart myself |
| 03:00.45 | ivan | ~lart myself |
| 03:00.52 | ivan | ! |
| 03:01.03 | warmi | haha |
| 03:01.24 | ivan | <ibot>Someone already said that 3 seconds ago |
| 03:01.55 | ljp | ~lart treke|hoome |
| 03:02.02 | ljp | fudged that |
| 03:02.15 | ljp | ~lart treke|home |
| 03:02.17 | ivan | ibot: flood yourself |
| 03:02.18 | | ACTION blasts yourself with a huge firehose then strangles yourself with it |
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| 03:03.35 | *** topic/#zaurus is Sharp Zaurus Discussion | OpenZaurus discussion in #openzaurus and #openembedded | http://zaurus.com/ | http://myzaurus.com/ | SF zaurus mailing list subscribers will be transitioned to the new lists today! |
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| 03:10.45 | smellycarney | anyone using tkcmail? |
| 03:11.41 | mewyn` | prolly not |
| 03:11.52 | mewyn` | hrm... i need to learn dynamic loading |
| 03:13.00 | ljp | whats that |
| 03:13.12 | mewyn` | what's what? |
| 03:15.28 | absentia2 | good night |
| 03:21.02 | ljp | whats tkcmail |
| 03:22.47 | ninny | a mail reader for the zaurus |
| 03:23.09 | ljp | hehehehe |
| 03:23.12 | ljp | oohhhh |
| 03:23.20 | ljp | prolly runs slow |
| 03:23.30 | ljp | :) |
| 03:23.44 | ljp | gotta get my jabs out while I can |
| 03:24.35 | warmi | hah ... mean ljp |
| 03:24.53 | treke|home | yeah soon you have to be nice to tkc |
| 03:24.54 | ljp | well. |
| 03:25.06 | ljp | no, I wil simply not talk about them |
| 03:25.10 | treke|home | <ljp> I love tkc. they rock. so does qtopia. it rocks also |
| 03:25.18 | ljp | heh nopt |
| 03:25.21 | ljp | not |
| 03:25.26 | treke|home | <ljp> pssst warwick, can i have my check now? |
| 03:25.29 | ljp | qtopia though.. it does rock |
| 03:25.33 | ljp | heheh |
| 03:25.42 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:25.45 | ninny | i like bacon. |
| 03:25.48 | ninny | bacon rock |
| 03:25.48 | ninny | s |
| 03:25.56 | ljp | back bacon? |
| 03:26.11 | ljp | take off, you hoser! |
| 03:27.34 | ljp | Sugar: make something for everyone |
| 03:27.41 | ninny | shit man. bacon is good. |
| 03:28.01 | ljp | I'll take your word for it |
| 03:28.09 | ninny | you've never had bacon? |
| 03:28.22 | ljp | not since 1985 |
| 03:28.46 | treke|home | what happened in 1985? |
| 03:28.53 | ljp | dorm food |
| 03:29.32 | ninny | did the bacon at the dorm emotionally scar you? |
| 03:29.40 | ljp | no |
| 03:29.46 | ljp | never really liked that though |
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| 03:30.25 | ninny | ahh you just haven't had good bacon. |
| 03:30.29 | warmi | hah |
| 03:30.32 | chouimat | mmm those raspberry filling truffle butter cookies are good |
| 03:30.40 | ljp | heh |
| 03:30.59 | ljp | the smell of bacon cooking make me want to vomit |
| 03:31.20 | ninny | chouimat: that sounds good. |
| 03:31.26 | ninny | better than bacon even. |
| 03:31.38 | ljp | I'd agree |
| 03:31.51 | chouimat | ninny: yup and they also make them with butterscotch |
| 03:31.59 | ninny | ahh. i'm going to get fat. |
| 03:32.04 | ljp | anything smells better than bacon |
| 03:32.07 | ninny | i never should have stopped smoking. |
| 03:32.26 | chouimat | ninjust replace the tabbaco by weeds :) |
| 03:32.27 | ljp | dont eat so much |
| 03:32.47 | ninny | ljp: i was making some smells earlier that would make you wish for cooking bacon. |
| 03:33.00 | ninny | bahh weeds make me too stupid. |
| 03:33.04 | ljp | insence takes care of those |
| 03:33.09 | ninny | it didn't. |
| 03:33.13 | ninny | they were putrid. |
| 03:33.23 | chouimat | ok my cat wants a cookie :( |
| 03:33.27 | ninny | i ate like 3 bowls full of kim chi. |
| 03:33.28 | ljp | better check your bunghole then |
| 03:33.46 | ninny | i don't own a barrel. |
| 03:33.50 | ljp | chouimat: your cat must be fat |
| 03:34.19 | chouimat | ljp: about 8 to 10 pounds |
| 03:34.21 | ninny | my cat is 17 years old. |
| 03:34.49 | chouimat | for a 10 months male (fully operational) |
| 03:35.44 | chouimat | ninny: kim chi? |
| 03:35.55 | ljp | oh, he'll be spraying before long |
| 03:36.00 | treke|home | she sounds asian |
| 03:36.21 | ninny | fermented cabbage. |
| 03:36.27 | ninny | i don't know how to actually spell it. |
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| 03:37.00 | chouimat | ninny: ok ... I had a snails, ginger,mushrooms,sake,rice dish tonight |
| 03:37.13 | ljp | saurkraut |
| 03:37.38 | ljp | I had... pizza |
| 03:37.47 | ljp | soon to change, though! |
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| 03:38.10 | chouimat | ljp: try snails,mushrooms and sake :) |
| 03:38.23 | ljp | snails?!? ewww |
| 03:39.32 | ninny | chouimat: good dinner. |
| 03:39.38 | ljp | blah |
| 03:39.39 | ninny | chouimat: where are you from? |
| 03:39.55 | ljp | ever seen a snail? their smiley little things |
| 03:40.02 | ljp | slimey |
| 03:40.06 | ljp | not smiley |
| 03:40.08 | ljp | heh |
| 03:40.18 | ljp | slugs with houses |
| 03:40.21 | chouimat | ninny: Quebec City |
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| 03:41.32 | ljp | he's from the state of Cananda, wich is a northern state of the US |
| 03:41.49 | chouimat | ninny: I thinkk next time I will add garlic,chicken and beef to that dish |
| 03:41.57 | ninny | did you make it all yourself? |
| 03:42.12 | chouimat | ninny: yup ... |
| 03:42.36 | ljp | wow, I'm impressed, a cook! |
| 03:42.46 | ljp | :) |
| 03:42.47 | ninny | ahh i'm going to make some california rolls tomorrow for dinner. |
| 03:42.49 | chouimat | ljp: I like to eat :) |
| 03:43.06 | ljp | I used to cook alot more than I do now |
| 03:43.22 | ljp | soon to change |
| 03:43.43 | ninny | blah. brb |
| 03:43.54 | chouimat | aand beside you get tired of poutine ... I used to cook more too ... but since 18 months I'm back on fast food .... maybe I will do a cheese fondue soon |
| 03:44.04 | chouimat | ok brb shower |
| 03:44.18 | ljp | poontang? how could you get sick of poontang?!? |
| 03:48.07 | chouimat | ljp: poutine: French Fries, Gravy, Cheese |
| 03:49.06 | treke|home | the things some people eat |
| 03:50.42 | NeoTron | mst say I am not fond of installing hardware from scratch |
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| 03:53.32 | warmi | your new parts came in / |
| 03:53.36 | mutexer | well.. I got my beta done.. although the icon is still screwed |
| 03:53.41 | warmi | ? |
| 03:53.44 | warmi | heh |
| 03:54.03 | mutexer | it displays 16x16 fine.. no worky in 32x32 or 48x48 |
| 03:54.10 | mutexer | although it works in all 3 on my PC |
| 03:54.11 | warmi | mutexer : hehe .. a fucking icon of all things |
| 03:54.27 | mutexer | that default box is looking nice :) |
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| 03:56.36 | ninny | your beta of what? |
| 03:57.46 | mutexer | my game |
| 03:57.53 | mutexer | Jack the UniPsychle |
| 03:59.08 | Bala | ?? i thought that game was done already |
| 03:59.19 | mutexer | it was for Zaurus |
| 03:59.29 | mutexer | beta done today is on Pocket PC |
| 03:59.32 | Bala | cool |
| 03:59.45 | mutexer | then PC is next |
| 04:00.13 | Bala | took me forever to fiure out i had i could shoot things with the arrow thingies.... |
| 04:00.55 | mutexer | the psychic attack? |
| 04:01.04 | mutexer | didnt read the readme? :) |
| 04:01.09 | Bala | no.. :) |
| 04:01.13 | mutexer | probably 95% of the people dont read it |
| 04:01.22 | Bala | i just thought it was for opening the boxes |
| 04:01.51 | mutexer | the verticle hovering/jumping enemies you have to psychic attack.. you jump on the heads opf the horizontal hovering/walking enemies |
| 04:02.34 | NeoTron | warmi: yeps |
| 04:02.39 | mutexer | you can pause the game with the home key if youy didnt figure that out |
| 04:02.42 | NeoTron | warmi: putting it together now |
| 04:03.07 | NeoTron | anyone happen to know if the little arrow / notch on the power / reset and led connectors is + or -/gnd? |
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| 04:26.21 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 04:33.17 | kawsy | Im having some problems with USB networking Im hoping someone can help with.. I cant seem to get my Z to communicate with my linux pc. I have set up the usbdnet module and I can ping the zaurus from the pc. The zaurus doensnt seem to see the pc at all though.. If I run tcpdump on usb0, I never see anything.. |
| 04:33.52 | kawsy | I have the Z set up with USB-TCP/IP |
| 04:34.15 | kawsy | pc is 192.168.129.1 Z is 192.168.129.201 |
| 04:34.30 | kawsy | Z is using 192.168.129.1 as the gateway |
| 04:35.00 | kawsy | DNS on the Z is set to 192.168.129.1.. which is running a nameserver |
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| 04:47.50 | Com[Plex] | hey is NeoTron here? |
| 04:49.46 | Com[Plex] | :( |
| 04:50.24 | Com[Plex] | im sending you it again |
| 04:50.35 | Com[Plex] | email that is |
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| 05:13.41 | CodeYoddler | When I try to install Java-Chess, I get this Package Not Found error, how do I correct this? |
| 05:14.52 | yeiaway | find the package :p^ |
| 05:15.31 | CodeYoddler | I have it |
| 05:15.47 | CodeYoddler | I have the ipk |
| 05:15.53 | yeiaway | oh, you're trying to install from the ipk |
| 05:15.56 | yeiaway | not from a feed |
| 05:15.56 | CodeYoddler | But when I try to install the ipk it says package not found |
| 05:16.00 | CodeYoddler | correct |
| 05:16.09 | yeiaway | do you type the entire ipk filename on the command line ? |
| 05:16.13 | CodeYoddler | No |
| 05:16.16 | CodeYoddler | I tried though |
| 05:16.19 | CodeYoddler | And it didn't work |
| 05:16.24 | yeiaway | "ipkg install blahblahblah.ipk" |
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| 05:16.54 | brainless | how do i connect my PDA to my monitor, any solution costing somewhere around $100? |
| 05:17.11 | yeiaway | connect your pda to your monitor ? |
| 05:17.33 | yeiaway | you can have the Z's display on your PC with VNC |
| 05:17.44 | CodeYoddler | Hmmm...I am going to make my Zaurus to where it does storage on the RAM, that way I can have Wi-Fi |
| 05:17.59 | yeiaway | but a hardware connection to a monitor... |
| 05:18.12 | yeiaway | CodeYoddler: buy a SD card |
| 05:18.22 | yeiaway | or MMC |
| 05:19.02 | yeiaway | 64 MB is enough for many data and apps |
| 05:19.05 | CodeYoddler | yeah |
| 05:19.10 | CodeYoddler | that's what I am doing |
| 05:19.14 | yeiaway | I have a 256 MB one, it's largely too much |
| 05:20.29 | CodeYoddler | I am probably getting 128 |
| 05:23.23 | brainless | yeiaway: PDA screen is too small, me prefers a 17" ;) |
| 05:23.38 | yeiaway | use VNC |
| 05:23.45 | yeiaway | gotta go |
| 05:47.05 | Com[Plex] | once again I cant get a friggin email throug to support@eongames.com |
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| 05:59.20 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: I'm here.. |
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| 09:28.19 | kolla | http://zaurus.com/dev/index.htm doesnt really work well in mozilla it seems |
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| 10:48.37 | pyromance | doot doot |
| 10:48.41 | Com[Plex] | hey NeoTron, |
| 10:48.59 | pyromance | I wonder if IRK would support the Belkin IR keyboard.. hmm |
| 10:49.11 | Com[Plex] | my mail server doesnt like your mail server. its done this before. I think I gotta upgrade or somethin. hehe. |
| 10:49.27 | Com[Plex] | haha, that would rule pyromance :> |
| 10:49.44 | Com[Plex] | course, you would have to keep the z sideways tho |
| 10:50.22 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: self censoring.. |
| 10:50.30 | ljp | hey * |
| 10:50.37 | NeoTron | anyho,w in stage 2 of gentoo |
| 10:50.40 | NeoTron | time to go to sleep |
| 10:51.50 | Com[Plex] | wait a sec |
| 10:52.13 | Com[Plex] | NeoTron: I waws trying to email, becuse it seems like my download link for bustem 1.2 no longer works :< |
| 10:52.42 | Com[Plex] | I got an updated link a while back. and now when I try to enter my email address to log in, it says "hell no" |
| 10:52.57 | Com[Plex] | that was last night at whenever, let me try again right now |
| 10:54.08 | Com[Plex] | yeah. same thing this morning. |
| 11:05.46 | kolla | bah.. SD is so slow... |
| 11:06.38 | Com[Plex] | I got this 128mb sd card, and It seems like its so slow, that if I use a program like Leaflet to take a note, and I close it too soon, it wont even write the 5 words I added to it. |
| 11:06.46 | Com[Plex] | my 64mb one works fine tho |
| 11:08.35 | kolla | got a 256MB here |
| 11:08.51 | kolla | so I guess.. bigger means slower :) |
| 11:09.06 | Com[Plex] | dunno.. |
| 11:09.20 | kolla | hm.. what you descrive sounds more like a buggy program |
| 11:09.23 | kolla | describe |
| 11:09.24 | Com[Plex] | mayeb bigger seems slower because its going to take 4 times as long to write 4 times as much? |
| 11:09.44 | Com[Plex] | maybe I just have a pos 128 sd |
| 11:10.00 | kolla | the worst annoyance is the "Documents" tab though |
| 11:10.30 | Com[Plex] | yeah. Id like to have an option to shut that "service" right off. |
| 11:10.34 | Com[Plex] | specially in OZ |
| 11:10.37 | kolla | yep |
| 11:11.11 | kolla | with a 256MB SD and a 512MB CF... it is stright out useless :) |
| 11:11.28 | Com[Plex] | defenitely. |
| 11:11.49 | Com[Plex] | course, I should probably look around to see if thats allready been done. |
| 11:12.24 | Com[Plex] | and if not, maybe I could write a script to do it. |
| 11:12.37 | Com[Plex] | who am I kidding.. I cant write shit. |
| 11:13.23 | Com[Plex] | althoguth i did re write ipkg-build to work on the zaurus. only problem is that it has to tar czf instead of ar. ar on the latest busybox doesnt support archive creation. |
| 11:14.14 | Com[Plex] | hell. even tar is screwed up. records absolute paths instead of relative paths and stuff. but it works anyway. |
| 11:15.02 | Com[Plex] | talking to myself again.. |
| 11:18.42 | ljp | yes you are |
| 11:18.46 | Com[Plex] | :) |
| 11:29.20 | kolla | nothing fun? |
| 11:31.13 | ljp | found one. not needed |
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| 11:53.40 | ^slash | when my Zaurus is in the cradle and i hit reboot its just crahsed it self... with the mailbox light on |
| 11:53.48 | ^slash | it wont turn off with the battery replace ethier ?!?! |
| 11:53.53 | ^slash | what the hell is with OZ ? |
| 11:59.07 | ljp | dunno. works here |
| 12:00.34 | ^slash | so you can hit rebooot whilst in the cradle ? |
| 12:00.43 | ^slash | only in the cradle it crashes |
| 12:00.49 | ^slash | gay |
| 12:00.51 | ^slash | oh well |
| 12:00.56 | ljp | ya |
| 12:01.04 | ljp | do you have sd? cf? |
| 12:01.08 | ^slash | CF |
| 12:01.12 | ^slash | SD comming ;-P |
| 12:01.17 | ^slash | why |
| 12:01.20 | ljp | any apps opened when you reboot it? |
| 12:01.25 | ^slash | nope |
| 12:01.35 | ^slash | but i ha dto open her up and press full reset to turn her off |
| 12:01.51 | ^slash | only time i seen it crash sincei got it once i put OZ on it it loves crashing |
| 12:01.57 | ljp | any apps installed to cf? |
| 12:01.59 | ^slash | if that mad sense |
| 12:02.02 | ^slash | nah nothing |
| 12:02.03 | ^slash | Fresh |
| 12:02.08 | ljp | hmmm |
| 12:02.16 | ^slash | i only bought the bastard a week ago ;-) |
| 12:02.24 | ljp | 5500? |
| 12:02.29 | ^slash | yea |
| 12:02.33 | ^slash | 5600 not in Australia |
| 12:02.40 | ljp | aahh.. |
| 12:02.44 | ^slash | as it is the 5500 here is overpriced |
| 12:02.56 | ^slash | shapr australia dont think we will see the 5600 lol |
| 12:03.02 | ljp | looks like I am going to move to au |
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| 12:03.35 | ^slash | whys that ? |
| 12:04.03 | ljp | getting hired by a company there |
| 12:04.21 | ljp | Brisbane |
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| 12:05.42 | ^slash | nice |
| 12:06.06 | Com[Plex] | where do you live right now? |
| 12:06.10 | ljp | should be intersting. going to go apply for my passport today |
| 12:06.14 | ljp | colorado |
| 12:06.25 | Com[Plex] | wow.. what will you do there? |
| 12:06.59 | ljp | I will be 'Qtopia Community Manager/Liason' for Trolltech :D |
| 12:07.05 | Com[Plex] | nice :) |
| 12:07.19 | ljp | ya, I'm excited |
| 12:07.33 | Com[Plex] | how did you land that position? |
| 12:07.53 | ljp | applied through their web site |
| 12:07.59 | Com[Plex] | hah, nice |
| 12:08.06 | Com[Plex] | if only everything were so simple |
| 12:08.28 | ^slash | no shit |
| 12:08.30 | ljp | heh, well.. true. |
| 12:08.37 | ^slash | whats a good mpeg player on OZ ? |
| 12:08.49 | Com[Plex] | I like opieplayer2 |
| 12:08.49 | ^slash | or should i just buy Dr Z or tkc whatever proggies ;- |
| 12:08.50 | ^slash | ) |
| 12:08.58 | ljp | there's opieplayer, opie-mediaplayer and mplayer and xmms-e |
| 12:09.05 | ^slash | jessus |
| 12:09.09 | Com[Plex] | I own tkcplayer. but I USE op2 |
| 12:09.16 | ^slash | yea? |
| 12:09.20 | ^slash | op2 that good |
| 12:09.21 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 12:09.34 | ^slash | what can tkcplayer do that op2 cant ? |
| 12:09.40 | ljp | op2 doesnt work on my 5000d, due to not very much mem |
| 12:09.54 | Com[Plex] | xmms seems to use opieoplayer anyway... |
| 12:09.55 | ljp | so I use opieplayer |
| 12:10.05 | Com[Plex] | tkc doesnt support the mp3 format I use. |
| 12:10.11 | ^slash | op2... any url to point me in the right direction |
| 12:10.22 | ^slash | i thought everything was giong ogg anyway ;-) |
| 12:10.22 | ljp | I just added ogg support for opieplayer in opie, too |
| 12:10.25 | Com[Plex] | I use opieplayer2 on my 5000d with 32/0 rom |
| 12:10.37 | ljp | ya, I heard it works in that config |
| 12:10.51 | Com[Plex] | uh... lets see.. |
| 12:10.57 | Com[Plex] | its in the testing feed for 3.2 iirc |
| 12:11.21 | Com[Plex] | you will need libxine mediaplyer2 and something else... |
| 12:11.59 | ^slash | so not stable |
| 12:12.06 | ^slash | so the testing feeed has all the good stuf eh |
| 12:12.07 | ^slash | ;-) |
| 12:12.09 | Com[Plex] | it works okay for me. |
| 12:12.55 | Com[Plex] | its not stable yet because its not "done" they are adding more features to it I beleive.. it works perfectly for me. plays my mp3s, my videos, hell, I can mount a samba share, and play a movie right from it . |
| 12:13.05 | Com[Plex] | great for porn in the privacy of my own bathroom. |
| 12:13.08 | ^slash | ooo nice |
| 12:13.10 | ^slash | hahaha |
| 12:13.11 | Com[Plex] | *G* |
| 12:13.24 | ljp | op2 not stable cause xine |
| 12:13.44 | ^slash | hmm |
| 12:13.54 | ^slash | why does half the packages want opie-base... where can i find that ? |
| 12:14.05 | Com[Plex] | hehe. its installed allready iirc. |
| 12:14.14 | Com[Plex] | just set it for force depends |
| 12:14.58 | ^slash | hmm |
| 12:15.10 | ^slash | does anyone even use this as a PDA haha |
| 12:15.19 | Com[Plex] | opie base is basically the base wich all your other stuff runs from. - uh.. putting that in as a requirement is kinda redundant |
| 12:15.24 | Com[Plex] | hahah |
| 12:15.51 | ^slash | hmm |
| 12:15.56 | ^slash | wonder why it asks for it then |
| 12:15.57 | ^slash | how gay |
| 12:15.59 | Com[Plex] | no. I use them as my spare linux boxen. or.. well. shells anwyay. I use win2k on my pc. linux in a vmware shell. |
| 12:16.33 | Com[Plex] | its nice to be able to ssh into my zaurus and have it look like a full sized pc running linux. hehe |
| 12:16.38 | ljp | heh, there's two entries on TT's Qtopia FAQ. |
| 12:16.56 | Com[Plex] | regarding what? the opie-base thing? |
| 12:16.58 | Com[Plex] | no.. |
| 12:17.48 | Com[Plex] | aargh! I have this huge cramp in my foot. im in friggin agony |
| 12:18.05 | Com[Plex] | I took four advil, three tylenol. im about to chop my foot off |
| 12:18.11 | Com[Plex] | ice packs = useless. |
| 12:18.17 | Com[Plex] | hot water = useless. |
| 12:18.25 | ^slash | CHOP CHOP!!! |
| 12:18.27 | Com[Plex] | I need novacaine |
| 12:18.34 | ^slash | or CHOP! |
| 12:18.38 | Com[Plex] | hehehehe |
| 12:18.41 | ljp | foot massage |
| 12:18.43 | Com[Plex] | let me get my dremel |
| 12:18.56 | ljp | stressing over it makes it worse |
| 12:19.01 | Com[Plex] | BZZZZ>TTTTTT |
| 12:19.05 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 12:19.06 | ^slash | so true |
| 12:19.12 | Com[Plex] | afk <saw> |
| 12:19.16 | ^slash | yet its hard not to stress when ya foots pounding |
| 12:19.32 | ljp | foot massage |
| 12:21.53 | Com[Plex] | no kiding. I cant even rub it because it hurts too much |
| 12:22.06 | Com[Plex] | I start to rub it,and spasm and I lose my grip on it |
| 12:22.20 | ljp | get someone else to do that |
| 12:23.43 | Com[Plex] | the only other person here is too hungover to go to work, so I doubt she will want to rub my foot. |
| 12:23.46 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 12:23.56 | ljp | hehehe |
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| 12:45.47 | Wintre | ljp: Welcome aboard |
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| 12:46.54 | ljp | thx wintre |
| 12:47.01 | ljp | should be interesting |
| 12:47.47 | ljp | I just hope I dont have to take all you out for dinner and a movie.. |
| 12:48.25 | Wintre | Hahah |
| 12:48.37 | Wintre | You know, there are a nontrivial number of Trolls now. |
| 12:48.43 | Wintre | And most of us like sushi. |
| 12:48.47 | Wintre | That'd get pricy. |
| 12:48.53 | ljp | hmmm, yes it would |
| 12:49.09 | ljp | I could do the au office, though :) |
| 12:49.27 | Wintre | Mebbe |
| 12:49.45 | Wintre | Things are cheaper there than here anyway |
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| 13:02.00 | ljp | I feel sea sick |
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| 13:46.30 | ^slash | whats this about cheaper here then there ? |
| 13:46.42 | ^slash | "<Wintre> Things are cheaper there than here anyway" |
| 13:47.00 | phoen][x | where is there and where is here? |
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| 13:47.30 | ^slash | thats what i want to know.. lol i gather Australias cheaper then USA |
| 13:47.43 | ^slash | i beg to differ ;-) |
| 13:47.57 | ^slash | then again when you guys x-change ya cash down here you pretty much get double |
| 13:48.03 | ^slash | so i guess it is cheaper in a sense |
| 13:48.16 | ljp | Au, and No |
| 13:48.33 | ljp | wintre is in olso |
| 13:48.37 | ljp | oslo |
| 13:51.05 | Wintre | Yeah |
| 13:51.25 | Wintre | I'd say the currency exchange rate and the cost of living are pretty much independent |
| 13:51.34 | Wintre | Well, or very complexly related |
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| 14:05.09 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:06.57 | phoen][x | lo chouimat |
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| 15:21.42 | jespah | Has anyone here managed to get a working emulator installed on the Z/qtopia? |
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| 15:22.00 | warmi | hi |
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| 15:24.11 | jespah | Has anyone here managed to get a working emulator installed on the Z/qtopia? |
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| 15:32.29 | jespah | Has anyone here managed to get a working emulator installed on the Z/qtopia? |
| 15:32.39 | kergoth | i think we heard you the first time. |
| 15:33.22 | jespah | Sorry, my computer is laggy, so i tend to accidently resend the same msg multiple times, sry |
| 15:33.37 | jespah | Sorry, my computer is laggy, so i tend to accidently resend the same msg multiple times, sry |
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| 15:34.19 | jespah | Ouch! :) |
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| 15:36.50 | ljp_work | kergoth's getting cranky in his old age |
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| 15:41.00 | kergoth | thats funny, my birthday's this sunday the 27th |
| 15:41.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:41.26 | chouimat | kergoth: good to know |
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| 15:41.33 | ljp_work | old foagy |
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| 15:58.11 | sig | http://home.mn.rr.com/t1camp1/Focus.swf |
| 15:59.11 | Twiun | ho. ho. ho. |
| 16:00.50 | warmi | sig: this must have been designed by Saddam's son .. that sadistic one |
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| 16:00.59 | rev|desk | heyyy yooo |
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| 16:02.27 | Matthew_I | what formats does the Opie ebook reader support |
| 16:02.47 | treke | read the opie-reader web site |
| 16:04.23 | sig | warmi: lol |
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| 16:08.59 | rev|desk | heh |
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| 16:19.56 | rev|desk | my summer research appointment is not defunct for lack of a funding to pay my salary :( |
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| 16:22.15 | dr_bitz | Hello all, has anyone had a bad cradle or USB cable come through with your Z? |
| 16:22.49 | Matthew_I | dr_bitz: what is your problem |
| 16:23.33 | ivan | dr_bitz: i stole one from HSN, want mine? |
| 16:25.06 | dr_bitz | Matthew_I: Well the damn thing won't sync to save my life |
| 16:25.40 | dr_bitz | Matthew_I: I'd heard that they should pretty much sync out of the box (after installing to s/w on the PC side) |
| 16:25.43 | ivan | that's just a software problem |
| 16:25.46 | ivan | is this on windows? |
| 16:25.57 | dr_bitz | Yes, Win98 |
| 16:26.51 | dr_bitz | Just got it yesterday, charged it up, and wanted to start putting packages on it, but to no avail |
| 16:27.21 | ivan | ftp zaurus 4242 |
| 16:29.10 | dr_bitz | ivan: I get host unknown, I'm assuming I should try the IP (and that you have a hostname for your Z). |
| 16:29.35 | ivan | yep |
| 16:30.52 | dr_bitz | Ah, I don't even get a ping, let alone an ftp session |
| 16:31.17 | dr_bitz | Too bad you can just hook in the USB to it w/o the cradle |
| 16:31.28 | dr_bitz | sorry, can't hook it in |
| 16:32.04 | ivan | someone does make zaurus IO to USB cables |
| 16:33.22 | dr_bitz | Really? Ah but why would one have to a special station just to bring in the USB. $$$ I guess |
| 16:37.47 | dr_bitz | What do you have setup for the TCP/IP on the windows side. I think mine's trying to go out to our DHCP |
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| 16:45.24 | simcon | hi |
| 16:45.29 | psiquest | I bought a lexar 256mb SD memory card... is it conceivable that it will lose total space over time? |
| 16:45.48 | kergoth | why would it lose space? |
| 16:46.00 | kergoth | unless physical parts of the card start going bad, it'll be fine |
| 16:46.09 | psiquest | I don't know, but it had 244.9MB total, and now it only has 244.7 total |
| 16:46.24 | psiquest | I did mkfs it a couple times |
| 16:46.30 | psiquest | but that didn't change anything |
| 16:46.40 | psiquest | it just one day turn it on and lose .2mb |
| 16:47.52 | psiquest | does this make since? |
| 16:48.31 | kergoth | no, but it does make sense |
| 16:48.34 | kergoth | :P |
| 16:48.39 | psiquest | :P |
| 16:48.44 | psiquest | so what is your opinion |
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| 16:48.55 | psiquest | should I worry over .2MB loss? |
| 16:49.09 | ivan | deeply |
| 16:49.14 | kergoth | i wouldnt. if it happens again, then portions of the flash are going bad, and cache in on the warranty |
| 16:49.15 | ivan | return the product |
| 16:49.34 | psiquest | I should go to wal-mart and be like "be atch!" |
| 16:49.54 | kergoth | "how can i help you sir?" |
| 16:49.57 | kergoth | "my card is shrinking!!" |
| 16:49.59 | kergoth | "..?" |
| 16:50.17 | psiquest | My SD is shrinking heh heh... give me new SD now |
| 16:50.33 | mandrake | actually, SD is a terrible format |
| 16:50.33 | psiquest | All your SD are belong to me... now3 |
| 16:50.47 | psiquest | why you say that? |
| 16:50.50 | psiquest | what is so bad? |
| 16:50.53 | mandrake | failed or interrupted writes have a tendancy to obliterate it |
| 16:51.12 | psiquest | Hmmmm.... not good |
| 16:51.19 | mandrake | I've lost a whole lot of data on SD |
| 16:51.21 | psiquest | i"ve had a couple interrupted writes |
| 16:51.32 | psiquest | i will be sure not to trust data on there. |
| 16:51.40 | mandrake | under CE it is worse |
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| 16:51.55 | psiquest | is it conceivable that the interrupted writes caused the loss of total space? |
| 16:52.06 | mandrake | yes |
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| 16:52.39 | psiquest | Hmmm... I need to go to wal-mart and be like "I'm dumb... why is my SD shrinking... give me new SD!" |
| 16:52.59 | mandrake | you can "repair" it by using dd and reformating it |
| 16:53.09 | psiquest | really?!? goooooood |
| 16:53.10 | mandrake | but once it has gone down the road of pain it will go quicker |
| 16:53.33 | psiquest | when you say dd, you mean i.e. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcda1? |
| 16:53.51 | mandrake | once it has started shrinking when you reclaim the space it will start failing again sooner |
| 16:53.52 | psiquest | that is my idea of "format" |
| 16:54.06 | mandrake | yes |
| 16:54.13 | mandrake | if you don't have to reclaim it don't |
| 16:54.22 | mandrake | I've found it tends to fail again faster once you do that |
| 16:54.48 | psiquest | then I go to walmart, and trade out SD's, start a new life and try NOT to interrupt my writes |
| 16:55.06 | psiquest | although my usb-uhci driver fucking crashed... that was the reason it interrupted |
| 16:55.43 | psiquest | what are known bugs on usb-uhci? |
| 16:57.16 | psiquest | shiiiiit, gotta go! work calls |
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| 17:16.49 | Zxcvb | has anyone without static IP got their zaurus on the internet through USB? |
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| 17:31.54 | Maik_H | Hallo |
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| 18:28.55 | Com[Plex] | hey NeoTron: you around? |
| 18:29.14 | mutexer | warmi: found my icon problem... soft reset fixed it |
| 18:29.25 | mutexer | stupid windows always having to reboot |
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| 18:30.46 | ^slash | is there hdparm for zaurus ? |
| 18:31.46 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: yes |
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| 18:32.39 | Com[Plex] | ooh |
| 18:33.04 | Com[Plex] | I tried emailing support@eongames again with no luck |
| 18:33.21 | Neo|Work | I saw. |
| 18:33.24 | Neo|Work | don't know why it wouldn't work |
| 18:33.26 | Com[Plex] | my mail server connects, and just times out. |
| 18:33.39 | Com[Plex] | Ive restarted it twice even |
| 18:33.39 | Neo|Work | if you telnet to port 25 from your mailserver what happens? |
| 18:34.14 | Com[Plex] | it conncets. |
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| 18:34.18 | Com[Plex] | to MY mail server |
| 18:35.17 | ^slash | is that a no then ? |
| 18:35.17 | Com[Plex] | to Yours I get about the same thign, 220 cookiemonster.eongames.com ESMTP EonMail (10.2.11) |
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| 18:35.32 | ^slash | vs my SD |
| 18:35.33 | Com[Plex] | what is hdparm slash? |
| 18:35.40 | ^slash | linux tool |
| 18:35.43 | NetAmp | Excusee moi |
| 18:35.43 | Com[Plex] | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=hdparm+ |
| 18:35.55 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: send me a mail manually |
| 18:36.02 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 18:36.08 | NetAmp | Who of you has Java running on OZ (3.2)? |
| 18:36.10 | ^slash | hdparm − get/set hard disk parameters |
| 18:36.22 | Com[Plex] | hwo do you mean manually? |
| 18:36.42 | Neo|Work | via telnet of course |
| 18:36.49 | Neo|Work | telnet mail.eongames.com 25 |
| 18:36.51 | Neo|Work | ehlo world |
| 18:36.55 | Neo|Work | mail from:test@test.com |
| 18:37.03 | Neo|Work | rcpt to:support@eongames.com |
| 18:37.04 | Neo|Work | data |
| 18:37.05 | Neo|Work | hello |
| 18:37.06 | Neo|Work | . |
| 18:37.08 | Neo|Work | like so |
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| 18:37.54 | Com[Plex] | 250 Mail queued for delivery. |
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| 18:39.09 | Zxcvb | anyone know what the expected battery life of a 5500 using a microdrive is? |
| 18:39.36 | Com[Plex] | ahh. now it goes through.. |
| 18:39.37 | Com[Plex] | wtf |
| 18:39.51 | Com[Plex] | Zxcvb: very very short |
| 18:39.58 | Com[Plex] | the microdrives are bad for the zaurus |
| 18:40.01 | Com[Plex] | hot hot |
| 18:40.07 | NetAmp | kergoth: ping |
| 18:40.12 | ^slash | yeah ? |
| 18:40.13 | ^slash | no shit... |
| 18:40.18 | Com[Plex] | I take it back, it diodnt go through. |
| 18:40.21 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex]: the 1GB ones are fine, according to sharp |
| 18:40.25 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 18:40.32 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex]: it's the 340MB ones that can fry it |
| 18:40.37 | NetAmp | :o |
| 18:40.38 | NetAmp | ouch |
| 18:41.17 | ^slash | so is SD or CF faster on the zaurus ? |
| 18:41.36 | Twiun | NetAmp: I am |
| 18:41.53 | ^slash | coz if CF is faster then i duno how the hell you can run a divx off the memory coz MPEG shat it self running from CF for me ;-/ |
| 18:41.54 | Zxcvb | ^slash: CF |
| 18:42.08 | Zxcvb | ^slash: I use mmc/sd only for installing software |
| 18:42.09 | ^slash | hmm very uncool |
| 18:42.19 | NetAmp | Twiun: you're using Java? Hm I should've known ;) hehe |
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| 18:42.24 | NetAmp | Twiun: Jeode? |
| 18:42.35 | Twiun | NetAmp: and others too |
| 18:42.37 | NetAmp | Twiun: or is there a better JVM for the Zaurus |
| 18:42.39 | ^slash | well i was surprised at how jumpy a 30 meg video clip was to watch off CF.... |
| 18:42.48 | Twiun | NetAmp: atm, Jeode is probably best |
| 18:43.12 | NetAmp | Twiun: oh... well I'm planning to try and 'port' some Nokia applets |
| 18:43.15 | yeiazel | ^slash: a 320x240 divx should work well, 200 MB for 1 movie... |
| 18:43.24 | Twiun | NetAmp: lol, have fun :) |
| 18:43.36 | Twiun | NetAmp: but stick to the standard apis |
| 18:43.47 | NetAmp | Twiun: yeah well... I will.. but Nokia isn't |
| 18:43.54 | yeiazel | ^slash: it's 200 kb/s, less than the CF transfer rate |
| 18:44.00 | NetAmp | Twiun: at least... I did see some scary com.nokia references :P |
| 18:44.24 | Twiun | NetAmp: probably for sound and direct gfx access |
| 18:44.26 | NetAmp | Twiun: But I'll just decompile them using JAD and see how far I get ;) |
| 18:44.36 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: and "telnet mailsend" from your mail server box (i.e same IP) worked? |
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| 18:45.52 | NetAmp | Hey btw will 2.4.19 kernel have lots of advantages? |
| 18:46.07 | Com[Plex] | fuck. I gotta go. Ill try working on this later. |
| 18:46.25 | Zxcvb | NetAmp: unless you count kaffe, no |
| 18:46.26 | NetAmp | C-ya Com[Plex] |
| 18:46.41 | NetAmp | Zxcvb: ah OK thanks |
| 18:46.44 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: 200MB per movie? |
| 18:46.48 | ^slash | hang on |
| 18:46.55 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: it's 85MB for a 45 minute TV show |
| 18:47.01 | ^slash | SD is 200k/s slower then CF did you say ? |
| 18:47.04 | Twiun | Zxcvb: there's also Sun's J2ME and IBM's J9 |
| 18:47.09 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: ok :) |
| 18:47.14 | Twiun | Zxcvb: and Wonka too (but that's not ready as we know) |
| 18:47.27 | yeiazel | ^slash: a "good" divx for the Z is 200kb/s |
| 18:47.30 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: and that's with divx 3.11 and 96kbit 22000hz joint stereo |
| 18:47.47 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: (my encoder doesn't support mono sound) |
| 18:47.51 | ^slash | hmm |
| 18:47.55 | ^slash | interesting |
| 18:48.16 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: does that sound about right, roughly 2MB per minute? |
| 18:48.16 | ^slash | so if i was to rip a dvd to divx to run on my zaurus how big will the file end up being ? |
| 18:48.38 | Zxcvb | ^slash: if you use divx 3.11 and 96kbit 22000hz mp3, about 2MB per minute |
| 18:48.47 | yeiazel | that makes 200 MB dor a 2 hours movie :) |
| 18:48.51 | treke | depends on the settings you used. it was about 128 megs when I tried it |
| 18:48.55 | yeiazel | s/dor/for/ |
| 18:49.12 | yeiazel | ^slash: 100 or 200 MB |
| 18:49.28 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: no, that's 200MB for a 1 hour 40 minute movie |
| 18:49.34 | ^slash | and i neee dto run it from CF... ?? or can SD handle it as i was under the imporession SD was gold so i got a 256 meg stick orderd in |
| 18:49.54 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: ... :) |
| 18:50.04 | ^slash | hmm... should of got me 1 gig CF by the sounds of it... |
| 18:50.17 | Zxcvb | ^slash: use the 64-0 image or the crow rom, and install everything to SD |
| 18:50.29 | yeiazel | ^slash: I've got a 256 MB SD for the system, and a 256 MB CF for the data |
| 18:50.30 | Zxcvb | ^slash: you can even move /opt, /home, and /root to sd in OZ |
| 18:50.46 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: what settings do you use? |
| 18:50.59 | ^slash | interesting |
| 18:51.18 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: a link from /root to /mnt/card/rootroot |
| 18:51.18 | Zxcvb | ^slash: be sure to rip the sharp apps (jeod, hancom, opera) before reflashing |
| 18:51.25 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: and installing everything to the sd |
| 18:51.28 | yeiazel | with the ipkg args |
| 18:51.36 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: actually, I created /mnt/card/system.root |
| 18:51.49 | ^slash | and obviously using ext2 filesystem will speed things up ;-) |
| 18:51.51 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: then moved /opt, /home, and /root there, and symlinked |
| 18:51.56 | yeiazel | ^slash: no |
| 18:52.02 | ^slash | oh ? |
| 18:52.08 | yeiazel | ^slash: but it's far better |
| 18:52.30 | yeiazel | (especially 'cause of symlinks) |
| 18:52.36 | ^slash | yah |
| 18:52.51 | ^slash | this little zaurus.... so many things to learn ;-) |
| 18:52.58 | yeiazel | hehe |
| 18:53.10 | Zxcvb | does ozmail fully support imap4? |
| 18:53.14 | ^slash | well as long as the SD wont be a waste |
| 18:53.21 | Zxcvb | ^slash: nope |
| 18:53.36 | Zxcvb | ^slash: it lets you get 64MB of RAM and even save your flash ROM with OZ |
| 18:53.45 | yeiazel | :) |
| 18:53.54 | Zxcvb | ^slash: enough to run X, as soon as kergoth updates the feeds |
| 18:53.55 | ^slash | what kind of speed diffs is it anyway between cf and sd ? |
| 18:54.03 | Zxcvb | ^slash: alot |
| 18:54.08 | ^slash | no shit.. |
| 18:54.10 | Zxcvb | ^slash: CF is 16 bit PCMCIA |
| 18:54.17 | Zxcvb | ^slash: more or less |
| 18:54.29 | ^slash | yeah, i gatherd that since you can get converters |
| 18:54.35 | ^slash | and whats sd... |
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| 18:54.40 | ^slash | "shitty disk" |
| 18:54.45 | Zxcvb | ^slash: and the pcmcia converters are very cheap, as they just change the pins around |
| 18:54.59 | Zxcvb | ^slash: multimedia card with DRM (not used on the Z), and a write protect tab |
| 18:55.47 | ^slash | hmm |
| 18:56.06 | Zxcvb | ^slash: in fact, MMC cards work fine on the zaurus, though they are limited to 128MB |
| 18:56.19 | ^slash | they faster then SD ? |
| 18:56.22 | ^slash | ;-) heh |
| 18:56.34 | Zxcvb | ^slash: about the same on the Z for reading speed |
| 18:56.34 | NetAmp | Twiun: Do you know whether Jeode .ipk is downloadable somewhere? |
| 18:57.01 | Zxcvb | ^slash: slower for writes, but I use it mainly for software and static data (doom2.wad, the ultima 7 datafiles, etc) |
| 18:57.14 | Twiun | NetAmp: lol, I told someone off on the ml about making such a thing available :) |
| 18:57.24 | NetAmp | oops ;) |
| 18:57.28 | pHluid | It's illegal to distribute the Jeode, Hancom, and Opera apps outside of the Sharp ROM. |
| 18:57.53 | Zxcvb | the crow rom has them, the last I checked |
| 18:57.58 | ^slash | oh my god you play doom2 on your zaurus ?!?!?!?! |
| 18:57.59 | NetAmp | duh... but I kind of forgot to rip it out of the Sharp ROM :D |
| 18:58.03 | ^slash | haha i use to love that game!! |
| 18:58.11 | Zxcvb | but that's just the sharp rom with /home moved to sd |
| 18:58.12 | pHluid | Then the Crow rom is illegal. :| |
| 18:58.39 | Zxcvb | pHluid: the crow rom is the sharp rom, just /home is moved to sd |
| 18:58.54 | NetAmp | well we paid for Jeode too :P |
| 18:58.56 | pHluid | Zxc: And OZ is just the Sharp ROM completely rewritten |
| 18:59.04 | Twiun | NetAmp: it's simple enough to mount the sharp rom under linux and rip it out manually |
| 18:59.13 | Zxcvb | Twiun: still illegal |
| 18:59.14 | pHluid | It doesn't matter that only some symlinks are changed; it has to be the unadulterated Sharp ROM to be legal. |
| 18:59.23 | pHluid | Zx: Not illegal. |
| 18:59.27 | Zxcvb | pHluid: and watching a DVD in linux is illegal too |
| 18:59.39 | NetAmp | Twiun: it is? hmm sweet :) I gotta re-install Linux.. my EXT2 partition had to go :S |
| 18:59.45 | pHluid | If you rip it from the Sharp rom, it's legal, as long as you own a Z. |
| 18:59.53 | Zxcvb | pHluid: nope |
| 18:59.58 | ^slash | everything is illegal |
| 18:59.59 | pHluid | The problem is in *distributing* it. |
| 19:00.01 | Twiun | Zxcvb: I disagree - as long as it's done by the same individual as will use it on their Z |
| 19:00.01 | Zxcvb | pHluid: "if you own a dvd, it's legal to rip it to divx" |
| 19:00.05 | NetAmp | Was thinking about trying FreeBSD but I think I'll stick with redhat or suse linux for a while.. |
| 19:00.17 | Zxcvb | pHluid: it is illegal to rip any DVD to divx, period |
| 19:00.36 | Zxcvb | Twiun: it is as illegal as purchasing a DVD and ripping it to divx |
| 19:00.36 | pHluid | Zx: Only since the DMCA, which does NOT affect the licensing agreement in question. |
| 19:00.40 | ^slash | whatabout to vcd ;-) heh |
| 19:00.58 | pHluid | And the DMCA is actually in violation of prior copyright rulings |
| 19:01.01 | Twiun | Zxcvb: I'm not, as ||ugh would say, in the USSA |
| 19:01.42 | Zxcvb | pHluid: doesn't matter, it's a new law, which overrules previous rulings (unless it is overturned by the supreme court) |
| 19:01.59 | pHluid | Zx: a law which is completely irrelevant to what we're talking about |
| 19:02.09 | Zxcvb | it is as illegal as running office xp in linux, then |
| 19:02.20 | pHluid | It's illegal to rip a DVD because there's encryption measures being bypassed |
| 19:02.31 | pHluid | It's NOT illegal to create copy of software you own. |
| 19:02.44 | Zxcvb | pHluid: it is illegal to run office xp in linux using crossover |
| 19:02.53 | pHluid | Because of a seperate EULA |
| 19:02.57 | Zxcvb | pHluid: that is closer |
| 19:02.58 | pHluid | Not because of copyright laws. |
| 19:03.05 | pHluid | You don't have any clue what you're talking about, do you? :) |
| 19:03.09 | Zxcvb | pHluid: it will be interesting to see that lawsuit |
| 19:04.03 | Twiun | NetAmp: in any case, I'm sure a quick google should show you that ml post |
| 19:04.16 | NetAmp | Twiun: ;-) Google rocks |
| 19:04.19 | Zxcvb | pHluid: you have to use romburst to extract the sharp rom, looks like circumvention |
| 19:04.33 | pHluid | Zx: It's not a fucking security measure |
| 19:04.44 | pHluid | That's like saying unzipping something is a violation of the DMCA |
| 19:04.49 | Zxcvb | pHluid: it is |
| 19:04.57 | Zxcvb | pHluid: ask microsoft |
| 19:05.00 | pHluid | This just in, tar, gz, and every single person in the world a felon |
| 19:05.31 | Zxcvb | pHluid: konqueror is also illegal |
| 19:05.48 | chouimat | pHluid: soon you will only rent computer (because you will be able to do anything with it) |
| 19:05.51 | Zxcvb | pHluid: the user_agent (browser identification) changing circumvents an ACCESS CONTROL device |
| 19:05.59 | Zxcvb | chouimat: SSSCA/CBDTPA |
| 19:06.10 | yeiazel | all these things depend of the country you're living in :) |
| 19:06.28 | pHluid | Man, I don't generally ignore people, but zx just earned it. |
| 19:06.36 | Zxcvb | pHluid: all that matters is if it restricts access (not necessairly read access) to a copyrighted work |
| 19:06.49 | chouimat | fair use is an endanngered concept in usa these days |
| 19:06.50 | Twiun | yeiazel: I'm sure the US will eventually find a way to enforce their laws in other countries |
| 19:07.11 | yeiazel | Twiun: I'm sure not |
| 19:07.25 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: never underestimate the power of thousands of nukes |
| 19:07.29 | chouimat | Twiun: easy: respect my laws or we nuke you :) |
| 19:07.33 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: the threat, specifically |
| 19:08.09 | yeiazel | and the US will attack Europe ? waahahahahahahahaha |
| 19:08.30 | chouimat | yeiazel: nah! they will embargo it |
| 19:08.36 | yeiazel | they fear corea just because they HAVE nuclear weapons |
| 19:08.38 | pHluid | Attacking would be a violation of an access control device. |
| 19:08.44 | pHluid | i.e, borders. |
| 19:08.53 | yeiazel | they have attacked Iraq because Iraqi had NO army |
| 19:09.06 | pHluid | They had the third largest army in the world in 1991. |
| 19:09.11 | yeiazel | chouimat: embargo ? about what ? |
| 19:09.18 | yeiazel | chouimat: and France importation in the US ? |
| 19:09.50 | yeiazel | the US will not be able to do ANYTHING |
| 19:10.03 | chouimat | yeiazel: anything .... in other words they will close their border to european stuff |
| 19:10.06 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: what are a few US cities compared to the rights of copyright holders |
| 19:10.24 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: besides, ever hear of a blockade? |
| 19:10.24 | yeiazel | chouimat: no pb |
| 19:10.39 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: sinking european shipping? |
| 19:10.39 | pHluid | Stupid ipkg |
| 19:10.45 | yeiazel | US *know* they need Europe |
| 19:10.47 | yeiazel | really |
| 19:11.07 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: ever hear of the neutron bomb? |
| 19:11.11 | rev|desk | bush is such a moron |
| 19:11.12 | rev|desk | christ |
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| 19:11.23 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: and ? |
| 19:11.25 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: kills people while leaving everything else in good shape |
| 19:11.33 | rev|desk | umm |
| 19:11.33 | yeiazel | HAHAHA |
| 19:11.40 | rev|desk | which neutron bomb is that? |
| 19:12.02 | chouimat | yeiazel: anyway they will do exactly the same thing they did between the 2 WW ... they will soon isolate themselves |
| 19:12.03 | Neo|Work | agh, $575 service for my card |
| 19:12.04 | Neo|Work | ah well |
| 19:12.06 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: the US government *knows* it will sink if they attack Europe |
| 19:12.07 | Neo|Work | expected |
| 19:12.08 | rev|desk | it is about minimizing damage to non-living things |
| 19:12.10 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: yeah it will fry all the electronics, and the blast will cause some damage |
| 19:12.16 | rev|desk | but it's not like it is just a little death ray |
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| 19:12.44 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: how many countries outside of the US have nuclear weapons ? |
| 19:12.50 | yeiazel | and so |
| 19:12.59 | yeiazel | US are *alone* with their friends |
| 19:13.04 | rev|desk | why the fuck would the US want to beat up on europe? |
| 19:13.10 | rev|desk | because they don't enough beef? |
| 19:13.11 | yeiazel | and the only thing interesting Bush is *petrol* |
| 19:13.16 | pHluid | Dude, come on. |
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| 19:13.21 | pHluid | Dressed like that, it looks like they want it |
| 19:13.27 | rev|desk | yeiazel: no, that's a lie |
| 19:13.30 | rev|desk | yeiazel: don't forget money! |
| 19:13.34 | yeiazel | rev|desk: hehe |
| 19:13.36 | chouimat | yeiazel: 4 ex-sovit republic, GB, China, France, India, Pakistant, Isreal (?) South Africa(?) |
| 19:13.39 | rev|desk | yeiazel: and making sure plenty of it is available for his friends |
| 19:13.55 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: china (they can keep their land), russia (most won't even be off the ground), france (submarine launched only), germany (not many) |
| 19:13.55 | yeiazel | rev|desk: yes, through petrol :) |
| 19:14.03 | rev|desk | yeiazel: touche |
| 19:14.12 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: india/pakistan (don't give a shit about europe), isreal (same) |
| 19:14.26 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: you fucking crazy |
| 19:14.42 | pHluid | Yes, because Europe has never been the target of terrorism. |
| 19:14.53 | pHluid | Never. Nosah. |
| 19:14.57 | yeiazel | pHluid: yes it has |
| 19:15.05 | pHluid | And there's no such thing as an Isreali or Pakastani terrorist, not at all. |
| 19:15.14 | pHluid | Man, you know. |
| 19:15.14 | yeiazel | how old are the USA ? 4 centuries |
| 19:15.19 | yeiazel | and Europe ? |
| 19:15.20 | pHluid | You guys have ZERO sarcasm detection. |
| 19:15.21 | pHluid | Seriously. |
| 19:15.43 | yeiazel | what was Nazism and so. it was fucking terrorism, that's all |
| 19:16.24 | yeiazel | and americans make me laugh... "oh, don't forget we've helped you freeing your countries" and so |
| 19:16.35 | yeiazel | saying french lose their memory |
| 19:16.48 | yeiazel | and what has France, and Europe, done for the USA ? |
| 19:16.59 | yeiazel | without France, USA wouldn't even exist ! |
| 19:17.01 | kergoth | yeiazel: take your generalizations to another channel. |
| 19:17.05 | oGMo | oh, bah |
| 19:17.06 | oGMo | heh |
| 19:17.15 | SuKoShi | American lose their memory also... most american were european at first :p |
| 19:17.19 | oGMo | i concur |
| 19:17.26 | Zxcvb | heard about the attempt to return the statue of liberty? |
| 19:17.29 | pchan | Does anyone know of a NES,gameboy or sega emulator that works (with sound)? |
| 19:17.45 | yeiazel | SuKoShi: and Lafayette, and so, helping the USA... |
| 19:17.46 | yeiazel | pchan: not me, sorry :/ |
| 19:17.48 | oGMo | pchan: there was one on zsi but i don't know about sound |
| 19:17.57 | Zxcvb | I wonder how they intend to get that huge statue back to france, and that's ignoring any ethical/moral/etc issues |
| 19:18.00 | pchan | zsi? |
| 19:18.10 | Zxcvb | pchan: gnuboy works with sound |
| 19:18.10 | yeiazel | ibot: zsi |
| 19:18.17 | Zxcvb | pchan: sound sucks unless you use openzaurus |
| 19:18.26 | yeiazel | ooch :) |
| 19:18.37 | SuKoShi | pchan: qtopiagnuboy |
| 19:18.49 | pchan | Zxcvb: Sound works fine with gnuboy and OZ? |
| 19:18.49 | Zxcvb | SuKoShi: the sound sucks without openzaurus, though |
| 19:18.52 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: where the hell have you heard of something like that |
| 19:18.54 | Zxcvb | pchan: yeah |
| 19:18.56 | pHluid | Somebody needs to port Generator ;[ |
| 19:19.04 | SuKoShi | Zxcvb: what is given is given |
| 19:19.09 | yeiazel | never, NEVER France wanted to get the statue of liberty back |
| 19:19.09 | pchan | SuKoShi: Sound doesnt work well with gnuboy on the vanilla rom :( |
| 19:19.21 | pchan | Zxcvb: Are there any other working emulators for OZ? |
| 19:19.24 | kergoth | yeiazel: did someone claim otherwise? i think not. |
| 19:19.31 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: no, a group of people in the US wanting to give it back to france |
| 19:19.41 | SuKoShi | Zxcvb: lol |
| 19:19.42 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: oh sorry :) |
| 19:19.47 | SuKoShi | Zxcvb: it should be funny |
| 19:19.52 | yeiazel | they fucking more crazy than you :) |
| 19:20.08 | MacGyver | ibot hd |
| 19:20.09 | | MacGyver: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 19:20.09 | Zxcvb | how do they intend to move that huge thing all the way to france? |
| 19:20.10 | SuKoShi | Yeah i agree wih my american fellow |
| 19:20.10 | SuKoShi | give it back !! |
| 19:20.14 | SuKoShi | i know a good place to put her on |
| 19:20.25 | Zxcvb | SuKoShi: sure, as soon as you can figure out how to get it to france without costing billions |
| 19:20.31 | SuKoShi | Zxcvb: do you know Marseille? |
| 19:20.54 | yeiazel | SuKoShi: in Marseille ? the statue of liberty ? you fool :) |
| 19:21.29 | Zxcvb | SuKoShi: how would you move the statue in the first place? |
| 19:21.36 | SuKoShi | Zxcvb: no, sincerely it is stupid, you and i have longterm relationship, don't forget that we didn't choose our president, we didn't have choixe |
| 19:21.42 | SuKoShi | yeiazel: encul? :p |
| 19:21.48 | yeiazel | SuKoShi: :) |
| 19:22.28 | yeiazel | yes, France and USA governments are both corrupted, and not really chosen by the ppl |
| 19:22.40 | yeiazel | Bush and Chirac are just motherfuckers :) |
| 19:22.42 | SuKoShi | Zxcvb: i think we'd better find a way to put our president in jail |
| 19:22.47 | rev|desk | especially bush |
| 19:22.51 | rev|desk | he's the biggest motherfucker of em all |
| 19:22.56 | rev|desk | except in the us |
| 19:23.02 | rev|desk | i could get thrown in jail for that |
| 19:23.03 | SuKoShi | hey guys, just look |
| 19:23.04 | rev|desk | without a trial |
| 19:23.05 | rev|desk | or a warrant |
| 19:23.07 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 19:23.15 | kergoth | welcome to #politics, please drop your brains in the pail by the door |
| 19:23.16 | rev|desk | because it is "terrorism" to say that about our Lord |
| 19:23.26 | rev|desk | mmm |
| 19:23.27 | SuKoShi | i recently heard on the radio an american woman who told that american didn't choose Bush |
| 19:23.28 | rev|desk | brains |
| 19:23.42 | kergoth | rev|desk: hey! we need those when we leave |
| 19:23.44 | kergoth | rev|desk: :) |
| 19:23.50 | NetAmp | kergoth! I'm curious, what will we get out of this kernel update? |
| 19:23.51 | rev|desk | cmon kergoth |
| 19:23.55 | rev|desk | you can have yours back |
| 19:23.55 | SuKoShi | maybe she was right, as there were some troubles during your elections |
| 19:23.57 | kergoth | whew |
| 19:24.02 | NetAmp | Hey we could make a Bush skin for Postal 2! |
| 19:24.05 | rev|desk | you and me can have some bbq-brains out of the others |
| 19:24.07 | kergoth | NetAmp: what *wont* we get out of it? id hardly know where to begin |
| 19:24.15 | pHluid | Sukoshi: Nobody debates that Bush won the popular election. |
| 19:24.33 | NetAmp | kergoth: haha okay... that gives an idea ;) I'll just be patient then for the magic to happen ;) |
| 19:24.38 | pHluid | Sukoshi: The debate is whether he won the electorial college, which is pretty fruity in my opinion anyways. |
| 19:25.00 | SuKoShi | pHluid: can u explain privately, i don't know about this |
| 19:25.20 | SuKoShi | maybe it's time to speak ZAURUS :) |
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| 19:26.50 | kergoth | this is #zaurus, you expect on topic conversation? whats wrong with you man |
| 19:26.55 | kergoth | ~fishslap SuKoShi |
| 19:26.56 | | ACTION slaps SuKoShi up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:26.58 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 19:27.40 | SuKoShi | ~lart kergoth |
| 19:27.49 | ivan | ~fishslap himself |
| 19:27.51 | | ACTION slaps himself up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:28.09 | ivan | ~lart himself |
| 19:29.59 | kergoth | SuKoShi: fyi, nearing completion of the keyboard handling fixups for the c700 |
| 19:30.01 | NetAmp | ~fishslap #zaurus |
| 19:30.03 | | ACTION slaps #zaurus up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:30.09 | SuKoShi | kergoth: hey hey hey :) |
| 19:30.26 | SuKoShi | ~lart his ass |
| 19:30.28 | kergoth | i'll finish autorotation one of these days.. its lower priority tho |
| 19:30.53 | kergoth | SuKoShi: anyone tried a preempt c700 kernel yet do you know? |
| 19:31.50 | SuKoShi | mmmh as i told yesterday, i only found some patch for 128Mo enabled c700 |
| 19:31.56 | kergoth | k |
| 19:31.58 | SuKoShi | i'm looking now if someone tried |
| 19:32.12 | kergoth | doesnt matter really, i'll play with it myself, was just curious |
| 19:32.23 | SuKoShi | SuKoShi: i should be great to include 128Mo patch (please please please ;) ) |
| 19:32.39 | kergoth | I'll read through it first, to see exactly what it does |
| 19:33.06 | kergoth | but then yeah, i'll apply it assuming its sane |
| 19:33.07 | SuKoShi | the guy, Yamaken changed his memory chips to put 128mo in the C700 |
| 19:33.34 | SuKoShi | and he had to hack the kernel to enable it. |
| 19:33.36 | NetAmp | i'm gonna mess around with some java games... |
| 19:33.41 | NetAmp | "I'll be back" |
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| 19:33.49 | kergoth | yeah, saw the mails from brandon hoar |
| 19:34.06 | SuKoShi | now he needs help to enhance the patch, because a patched kernel doesn't work on a factory C700 |
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| 20:20.29 | frankps | hi all |
| 20:20.37 | Wintre | Hi frank |
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| 20:32.17 | Com[Plex] | NeoTron, you still around? im back finally |
| 20:33.07 | Com[Plex] | I can get mail to everyone else. jsut sent out ten emails with success on every one. - my mail server has about 50 users on it, and they are all sending and receiving emails ust fine as well. |
| 20:33.32 | Com[Plex] | I only have one in my retry queue, and thats to support@eongames.com |
| 20:34.45 | Neo|Work | you just said you could send a mail using telenet |
| 20:34.51 | Neo|Work | so obviously it's working on that level |
| 20:34.57 | Neo|Work | where does it "time out" |
| 20:35.00 | Neo|Work | at what stage? |
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| 20:36.12 | mutexer | Neo|Work: something you might want to look out for.. the front keys on the axim send a key event of 91 which is a bogus key |
| 20:36.45 | mutexer | it might not be bogus obviously.. but its not a key pressed even though it sends it as a keydown and keyup event |
| 20:36.49 | Neo|Work | mutexer: Hint I got: use what's given to you from GAPI |
| 20:36.52 | Neo|Work | if it's not there, ignore it |
| 20:37.01 | mutexer | what do you mean? |
| 20:37.17 | Neo|Work | if a key is not in the list of accepted GAPI keys |
| 20:37.53 | mutexer | does GAPI define more than vk_left, vk_right, vk_down, vk_up, vk_Start, vk_A, vk_B, vk_C |
| 20:38.18 | mutexer | cause there are 2 buttons on the ipaq that are not equal to any of them... hence why I switched to winproc for key processing |
| 20:38.53 | mutexer | well on the ipaq that was tested anyway.. may not be in all ipaqs |
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| 20:58.38 | Neo|Work | mutexer: no |
| 20:58.51 | Neo|Work | and that is the whole point |
| 20:58.59 | Neo|Work | what gapi gives you is what you safely can use |
| 20:59.14 | Neo|Work | some PDA's send you TWO separate events for one button press |
| 21:03.30 | mutexer | yeah thats what I was picking up |
| 21:04.12 | mutexer | on the ipaq one of my testers tested (I was using those keys I listed above and only those keys) the two buttons on the left side of the ipaq didnt equal any of those but his record button did |
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| 21:32.33 | Com[Plex] | actually NeoTron: when i closed the telnet session, norton antivirus came up with a message saying the mail send timed out. |
| 21:32.49 | Com[Plex] | I got the message saying mail was queued, but it didtn close properly |
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| 21:54.39 | jwiz_ | so, it is the case that files do not get beamed properly, yes? |
| 21:54.59 | jwiz | e.g. i had a coworker beam me a pdf from his ipaq |
| 21:55.13 | jwiz | the file seemed to come over, but was filled with NULLs instead of data |
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| 22:00.32 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 22:11.29 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: uh. norton antivirus? wtf kind of box are you running? |
| 22:11.46 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: and once you get "sent ok" it's sent |
| 22:14.12 | mewyn | seen icefox |
| 22:14.14 | mewyn | kergoth: ping |
| 22:14.22 | kergoth | mewyn: pong |
| 22:14.43 | mewyn | kergoth: do you think you can setup the gcc toolchain for the Z on rh9? |
| 22:15.18 | kergoth | does rh9 have glibc 2.3.1? I have a set of 2.95.4 and 3.2.3ds6 crosscompilers |
| 22:15.32 | mewyn | basically a glibc2.3/gcc3.2 |
| 22:15.36 | mewyn | system |
| 22:15.37 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: ah, this would help - what is your IP? |
| 22:17.00 | kergoth | mewyn: you looking to do x86 builds or arm? |
| 22:17.10 | kergoth | mewyn: arm is easy, i have the toolchains. x86, you just need gcc296 installed |
| 22:18.40 | mewyn | k |
| 22:18.55 | mewyn | 'cause my next machine for server/bulding will be rh9 |
| 22:20.24 | mewyn | ibot seen icefox |
| 22:20.26 | | icefox is currently on #openembedded (1d 12h 24m 54s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 1d 5h 22m 49s |
| 22:22.53 | mutexer | Neo|Work: any idea what the window message is thats sent when you press the "suspend" button on a PPC? |
| 22:24.59 | Com[Plex] | wtf box Im running, win2k server on the server. win2k pro on this. |
| 22:25.04 | treke | is a message even sent? |
| 22:25.07 | Com[Plex] | Mdaemon Pro for email. |
| 22:25.28 | Com[Plex] | anwyay, i fixed it by putting a 240 second time out for your host. then the email went through |
| 22:25.42 | treke | it could just be handled at the OS without apps ever being the wiser |
| 22:29.36 | mewyn | anyone know how to get a non-echoed string from a within a bash script? (password prompt) |
| 22:31.19 | Com[Plex] | -z |
| 22:31.28 | mewyn | -z? |
| 22:34.59 | Neo|Work | mutexer: yes |
| 22:35.30 | mutexer | it says in the docs you cant detect it.. so can you? |
| 22:36.02 | Neo|Work | hrm |
| 22:36.05 | Neo|Work | I thought I did |
| 22:36.07 | Neo|Work | but perhaps not |
| 22:37.14 | Neo|Work | ah yes |
| 22:37.27 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.30 | Neo|Work | I knew I saw it |
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| 22:43.32 | Com[Plex] | neo, : the ip of this machine is 65.217.160.228, mail server is 65.217.160.224 |
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| 22:45.40 | mutexer | Hibernate triggers when you press that button? |
| 22:45.58 | mutexer | MSDN says "The operating system does not notify applications when it enters the suspend state because most applications are not affected by this transition. When the device resumes operation, applications also resume operation as if they had been continuously running. |
| 22:46.10 | mutexer | Ill try hibernate and see if it works |
| 22:46.21 | mutexer | MSDN has been known to be wrong |
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| 23:08.18 | rev | yo-o |
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| 23:47.23 | mutexer | warmi or Neo|Work: either of you know how to install programs to a cf in pocketPC 2002 |
| 23:47.40 | Neo|Work | mutexer: no |
| 23:47.47 | mutexer | my stupid dell manual says you can but doesnt say how |
| 23:47.58 | Neo|Work | well, I think you choose location on the pc side or something |
| 23:48.19 | mutexer | someone told me they installed the cab file I sent on a cf |
| 23:48.38 | mutexer | or do you mean installing the cab through active sync? |
| 23:48.43 | mewyn` | god damn redhat. |
| 23:48.59 | mewyn` | they put the cryptoloop module in, but no losetup for it |
| 23:48.59 | Neo|Work | I have no clue. :) |
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| 23:51.40 | warmi | mutexer : during installation you have to select "NO" when asked if you want to install to the default location |
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| 23:53.31 | Neo|Work | warmi: but that's on the PC side, right, not if you put a cab on PocketPC? |
| 23:53.38 | warmi | yeah, on PC side |
| 23:54.31 | warmi | with cab as far as I remember , if you click on it on your PPC then it will simply install to whatever is the default destination |
| 23:55.48 | mutexer | yeah thats what it does with me |
| 23:56.01 | warmi | in fact , it took me a while to figure out how to install to SD card ..... ihmo Zaurus way of doing that is much more intuitive |
| 23:56.17 | warmi | if only Z had an option of installing ipkgs directly from the desktop machine |
| 23:56.23 | Neo|Work | can't press+hold or something? |
| 23:56.34 | Neo|Work | warmi: right, generally you'd never use a cab directly |
| 23:57.01 | mutexer | its nice being able to browse the files on my desktop... Zaurus is too tough to setup anything like that.. I always to transfer with cf which sucked |
| 23:57.15 | Neo|Work | mutexer: bah, I have that with the A300. :) |
| 23:57.19 | Neo|Work | of course, only select files |
| 23:57.19 | warmi | mutexer : sure you can .. if you install Samba it works and looks exactly the same |
| 23:57.28 | warmi | even better .. you can mount your Z as a drive on Windows |
| 23:57.28 | Neo|Work | but basically the A300 runs a samba server |
| 23:57.36 | mutexer | I was talking about in linux |
| 23:57.43 | mutexer | I dont use windows when Im working on the Z :) |
| 23:57.47 | treke | do the same thing in Linux |
| 23:57.59 | warmi | mutexer : same on Linux .. during development I keep my Z mounted under /mnt/zaurus |
| 23:58.04 | treke | run samba on the z and samba on the desktop |
| 23:58.30 | kergoth | did anyone ever test the OZ samba server ipks docwhat worked on? |
| 23:58.31 | mutexer | I figured there was a way.. just lots of setup |
| 23:58.49 | mutexer | not as simple as popping in a cd.. click install.. then its working :) |
| 23:58.53 | treke | where did docwhat go anywyas |
| 23:58.56 | Neo|Work | mutexer: depends on the zaurus - as I said, the A300 (what about the 5600/b500/c700) has it builtin |
| 23:59.08 | kergoth | good question, yet another dev that vanished |
| 23:59.11 | kergoth | ibot: seen docwhat |
| 23:59.12 | | docwhat <docwhat@204.42.16.60> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 23d 8m 1s ago, saying: 'I'm outta here.'. |
| 23:59.16 | Neo|Work | i.e plug it an and you can browse it |
| 23:59.21 | treke | he wasnt kidding |
| 23:59.26 | warmi | haha |
| 23:59.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:59.27 | Neo|Work | or parts of it (documents, cd and cf) |