| 00:00.56 | George- | ok, I've finished moderating |
| 00:00.56 | George- | bleh |
| 00:01.15 | krezel | George-: you get mod because you're probably on there too much... |
| 00:01.22 | George- | krezel: hahahaha |
| 00:01.29 | George- | krezel: I _know_ I'm on there too much :) |
| 00:01.50 | krezel | Taco's a nice guy, I've met him |
| 00:02.23 | George- | krezel: you loser :P |
| 00:02.46 | krezel | what? He lives near me, he came to talk at one of my classes |
| 00:02.53 | George- | yeh yeh |
| 00:03.00 | George- | and we all believe that |
| 00:03.30 | George- | krezel: he /sooo/ came after you because of this: http://cmdrtaco.net/rants/penis.shtml |
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| 00:10.01 | andrewb | Okay, about the wireless cf card trouble.. the card inits and everything, is seen by everything BUT iwconfig (or ifconfig -a).. what could be the problem? |
| 00:11.17 | George- | "Above: An adorable girl reads a story about God and choo choo trains to a doll in a field of non-poisonous flowers. Far away, dipshits are sueing one other for serving each other breakfast." |
| 00:11.18 | George- | rofl |
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| 00:29.52 | FreddieZ | Hello everyone |
| 00:31.47 | FreddieZ | quiet |
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| 00:35.50 | Spec | Has anyone installed openssh on Sharp's os? |
| 00:35.59 | rev|lib | ok guys |
| 00:36.03 | rev|lib | should i get a halfkeyboard |
| 00:36.13 | rev|lib | or |
| 00:36.18 | rev|lib | a pocketop keyboard? |
| 00:36.33 | FreddieZ | spec - nope, but it works great on OZ |
| 00:36.49 | ljp | I have in the past. |
| 00:37.07 | Spec | does it always take....forever :p |
| 00:37.27 | FreddieZ | spec: |
| 00:37.35 | darienm | Spec - I don't recall it taking long. |
| 00:37.35 | FreddieZ | vi /etc/hosts |
| 00:37.48 | FreddieZ | add an entry for your desktop |
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| 00:42.36 | psiquest | this is wrong |
| 00:42.44 | psiquest | irc on a zaurus |
| 00:42.57 | FreddieZ | whyz/ |
| 00:43.07 | absentia2 | irc ... https... aim at the same time |
| 00:43.08 | FreddieZ | I am on my Z |
| 00:43.14 | FreddieZ | yup |
| 00:43.21 | FreddieZ | its just right |
| 00:43.24 | FreddieZ | :) |
| 00:43.44 | psiquest | i need to know where i can find ssh client for sharp sl5500 |
| 00:44.05 | rev|lib | check ZSI |
| 00:44.11 | rev|lib | if it isn't there, that is appalling |
| 00:44.12 | rev|lib | heh |
| 00:44.20 | FreddieZ | psi: in OZ |
| 00:44.23 | FreddieZ | :) |
| 00:44.24 | psiquest | where is zsi |
| 00:44.44 | FreddieZ | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 00:44.48 | psiquest | do i need oz for ssh |
| 00:44.52 | rev|lib | no |
| 00:45.22 | psiquest | i luv my zaurus |
| 00:45.58 | psiquest | oh man, im in zaurus heaven |
| 00:46.19 | rev|lib | heh |
| 00:46.28 | FreddieZ | what now psi? |
| 00:46.36 | rev|lib | i'll love my zaurus when i get a notetaking app that doesn't blow |
| 00:46.38 | rev|lib | but i like it for now |
| 00:46.56 | psiquest | now i download, install, and hack away at code |
| 00:46.59 | FreddieZ | rev: look at JustMemo! |
| 00:47.07 | rev|lib | freddie: url? |
| 00:47.09 | rev|lib | but i imagine it sucks |
| 00:47.11 | psiquest | what else |
| 00:47.12 | rev|lib | i've checked all of them |
| 00:47.34 | rev|lib | all Z notetaking apps only do text |
| 00:47.37 | FreddieZ | rev: http://www.planinhand.com/justmemo |
| 00:47.45 | FreddieZ | it came out today |
| 00:47.48 | rev|lib | or one page of drawing at a time, rather than one that is... *ghasp* scrollable |
| 00:47.51 | rev|lib | really? heh |
| 00:47.54 | FreddieZ | look at the manual |
| 00:48.22 | psiquest | im bad, im in library pretending to study |
| 00:48.24 | rev|lib | ah, i've seen that |
| 00:48.28 | FreddieZ | k |
| 00:48.29 | rev|lib | is that your domain, freddie? |
| 00:48.32 | FreddieZ | sorry |
| 00:48.34 | FreddieZ | yes |
| 00:48.34 | rev|lib | seen that in the last day or two |
| 00:48.45 | FreddieZ | it came out today |
| 00:48.46 | rev|lib | it only does text |
| 00:49.01 | FreddieZ | you prolly saw GetDone! before today |
| 00:49.12 | psiquest | thanks for pointer to site... bbk |
| 00:49.16 | psiquest | bbl |
| 00:49.17 | rev|lib | and since there is no good character recognition for the Z and no HWR at all for the Z, drawn notes seems the only option |
| 00:49.20 | FreddieZ | k |
| 00:49.27 | rev|lib | at least for taking notes in class, like i've done with my Newton and a PocketPC |
| 00:49.28 | krezel | http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_memory_reader/ide_ultra_digidrive.asp |
| 00:49.46 | rev|lib | ...and typing on the thumboard isn't fast enough |
| 00:50.00 | Spec | Yeah, i might get that nifty looking IR keyboard |
| 00:50.02 | rev|lib | and preferably, i want a notes app that lets you mix text and drawing |
| 00:50.06 | rev|lib | spec: me too. :) |
| 00:50.32 | Spec | Now all i need to do is get the money... :p |
| 00:50.41 | rev|lib | but such a useful notes app is too hard to write non-dekstop apps in Qtopia |
| 00:50.43 | rev|lib | er |
| 00:50.54 | FreddieZ | I will work on a drawing notes app |
| 00:50.56 | rev|lib | but such a useful notes app, tailored for PDAs, must be too hard to do in Qtopia |
| 00:50.56 | rev|lib | well |
| 00:50.59 | rev|lib | i'm working on a good notes app |
| 00:51.05 | rev|lib | with outlining and everything |
| 00:51.13 | rev|lib | but i'm not doing it in qtopia, i'm doing it in Dynapad |
| 00:51.28 | FreddieZ | eh? |
| 00:51.30 | rev|lib | freddiez: is plain-in-hand your company? |
| 00:51.37 | rev|lib | Dynapad -> http://spe.sf.net |
| 00:51.39 | FreddieZ | plan |
| 00:51.48 | FreddieZ | yes, my company |
| 00:51.50 | Spec | Does the Z have an inbuilt mic? |
| 00:51.54 | rev|lib | my own PDA os/environment written in Squeak Smalltalk (http://www.squeak.org) |
| 00:52.10 | rev|lib | with only 10 hours of work total, i already have a notes app better than anything i've seen for the Zaurus so far |
| 00:52.12 | rev|lib | but |
| 00:52.17 | rev|lib | if you write a good notes app, freddieZ, i'll buy it |
| 00:52.18 | rev|lib | :) |
| 00:52.34 | rev|lib | is it so much to ask for something that it as good as the PocketPC built-in notes app? |
| 00:52.39 | rev|lib | and that isn't even very good |
| 00:52.44 | rev|lib | or at least i didn't think so when I started using PPC |
| 00:52.47 | rev|lib | but then i got a zaurus |
| 00:52.53 | rev|lib | and in that context, it is very good :/ |
| 00:53.09 | rev|lib | and the Newton Notes app, built-in mind you, is light-years ahead of anything in that context |
| 00:53.09 | rev|lib | oi |
| 00:53.10 | rev|lib | sorry |
| 00:53.13 | rev|lib | i'll stop ranting |
| 00:53.25 | Spec | Do you think doom will be better if you use the IR keyboard? |
| 00:53.27 | rev|lib | i just wish Zaurus users knew how much better their PDA experience could be |
| 00:53.32 | rev|lib | not that i want people to switch to PocketPC or the Newton |
| 00:53.45 | rev|lib | but to expect- and create- better software for their Zs |
| 00:55.24 | FreddieZ | I am working on it man |
| 00:55.34 | FreddieZ | only so much time in a day |
| 00:55.59 | rev|lib | it's ok |
| 00:56.04 | rev|lib | i'm not yelling at you :P |
| 00:56.20 | FreddieZ | heh |
| 00:56.25 | andrewb | what would cause the prism2_cs driver not to work even though the system loaded it for a wireless card? |
| 00:56.32 | treke | rev|lib: you should be |
| 00:56.52 | rev|lib | nah |
| 00:57.00 | treke | he deserves it |
| 00:57.12 | rev|lib | :P |
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| 00:57.13 | rev|lib | cmon |
| 00:57.15 | rev|lib | what did he do |
| 00:57.24 | treke | he was born |
| 00:57.33 | rev|lib | haha |
| 00:57.43 | FreddieZ | heh |
| 00:57.51 | rev|lib | poor freddie |
| 00:57.54 | FreddieZ | thanks Treke |
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| 00:58.01 | FreddieZ | luv ya |
| 00:58.07 | FreddieZ | :) |
| 00:58.18 | rev|lib | freddie |
| 00:58.27 | treke | FreddieZ: wish I could say the same :) |
| 00:58.29 | FreddieZ | yes |
| 00:58.33 | rev|lib | would you like me to email you what a notes app should have? |
| 00:58.40 | FreddieZ | treke: rofl |
| 00:58.40 | rev|lib | not to sound like some self-proclaimed expert |
| 00:58.54 | rev|lib | but from my discussions, it seems a lot of Zaurus users and developers don't know what a notes app should have |
| 00:58.57 | rev|lib | and how useful one could be |
| 00:59.01 | FreddieZ | rev, if you wouldn't mind |
| 00:59.10 | FreddieZ | post it to the messageboard |
| 00:59.21 | rev|lib | the one on your site? |
| 00:59.28 | rev|lib | cuz i'd give you like $60 for a good notes app |
| 00:59.35 | rev|lib | if i don't finish mine, as well as my OS before then |
| 00:59.43 | Spec | Zmeeting looks nifty ^.^ |
| 00:59.56 | FreddieZ | yeah |
| 01:00.29 | rev|lib | i think a lot of the problem must be that Qt isn't good for writing PDA apps |
| 01:00.32 | rev|lib | rather |
| 01:00.39 | FreddieZ | I wouldn't charge frigging $60 for a notes app - not even to Treke |
| 01:00.42 | FreddieZ | :) |
| 01:01.06 | rev|lib | it doesn't seem good for writing PDA apps that aren't just like regular form-based apps that usually use a mouse and keyboard |
| 01:01.07 | rev|lib | well no |
| 01:01.11 | rev|lib | but it is worth that to me |
| 01:01.22 | rev|lib | well perhaps |
| 01:01.26 | rev|lib | but how is it much different? |
| 01:03.07 | George- | ivan: found your stylus? |
| 01:03.26 | treke | For the most part it isnt that different, but the architecture doesnt seem suited to writing something like a good character or handwriting recognition app |
| 01:03.41 | rev|lib | the Newton API on the other hand, was built especially for writing app where the pen and HWR was the input method |
| 01:04.00 | rev|lib | treke: yeah, but i think that problem extends to Qt in general |
| 01:04.07 | rev|lib | that is, Qt was designed for use on desktops |
| 01:04.08 | rev|lib | and it shows |
| 01:04.24 | treke | qt is pretty heavy |
| 01:04.25 | rev|lib | considering that Qt/Embedded is just a trimmed down (is it even that?) version of Qt... |
| 01:04.29 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 01:04.40 | treke | rev|lib: qt/e is a significantly trimmed down qt |
| 01:04.44 | rev|lib | ah ok |
| 01:04.52 | rev|lib | i don't do much qt programming or c++ for that matter |
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| 01:05.16 | rev|lib | but it's funny to see people charging for notes and memo apps for the Z that I can, and have, written in Smalltalk in a matter of a couple hours |
| 01:05.22 | rev|lib | and i'm not boasting about my skills |
| 01:05.27 | treke | qt isnt that slow once its loaded |
| 01:05.32 | rev|lib | i'm not saying Qt is slow |
| 01:05.35 | rev|lib | i mean |
| 01:05.47 | rev|lib | i'm not saying that "Qt was designed for the desktop" therefore "qt is slow on PDAs" |
| 01:05.49 | rev|lib | i think it's fast enough |
| 01:06.03 | mutexer | some of its ass slow |
| 01:06.10 | rev|lib | yeah, some of it sure |
| 01:06.17 | rev|lib | i just mean generally it is fast enough for me |
| 01:06.19 | mutexer | QSound is HORRIBLE |
| 01:06.21 | rev|lib | but anything can getr slow |
| 01:06.22 | treke | particularly with the image manipulatation stuff |
| 01:06.29 | mutexer | QPainter is pretty slow |
| 01:06.49 | FreddieZ | treke:|I know of a suite of apps that all use a 2mb library to slow them down. :) |
| 01:06.59 | rev|lib | i use DrawPad and am amazed to find that it can't even keep up with the events fast enough to draw a ROUND LINE/circle! |
| 01:06.59 | ljp | ibot: seen warwick |
| 01:06.59 | | ljp: i haven't seen 'warwick' |
| 01:06.59 | rev|lib | ha |
| 01:07.05 | rev|lib | that is pretty damn slow |
| 01:07.17 | rev|lib | i mean, if i do it slow, it can keep up fine and draw it as a circle |
| 01:07.22 | treke | mutexer: but a handwriting recognition app isnt really that difficult in QT, the tough part is recognizing the text |
| 01:07.26 | George- | ljp: warwick allison? |
| 01:07.31 | rev|lib | but if i do it at an almost-regular speed, it does it all jaggedy |
| 01:07.48 | rev|lib | treke: indeed, that is the hardpart, and would be done in vanilla c/c++/etc |
| 01:07.50 | andrewb | has the 5600 been known to work with any wireless cards? |
| 01:07.56 | rev|lib | andrewb: yes, plenty |
| 01:08.03 | rev|lib | wcf11, wcf12, socket 802.11b card |
| 01:08.06 | rev|lib | faq faq :P |
| 01:08.16 | ljp | yeppers |
| 01:08.18 | George- | rev|lib: sure the 5600 has been proved with those? |
| 01:08.19 | treke | rev|lib: 5600, no tthe 5500 :) |
| 01:08.23 | George- | ljp: who is he anyway? :P |
| 01:08.29 | treke | George-: he wrote qtopia |
| 01:08.30 | kergoth`bbl | treke: you ever look into making a xstroke style inputmethod for opie? |
| 01:08.34 | ljp | he da man |
| 01:08.35 | treke | kergoth`bbl: I did |
| 01:08.35 | George- | treke: ahh |
| 01:08.36 | rev|lib | treke: from what i've read online it works |
| 01:08.48 | George- | treke: I thought he was a bigwig in the Qtopia stuff :) |
| 01:08.51 | treke | kergoth`bbl: I dont remember what issue I ran into |
| 01:08.54 | rev|lib | yeah, you could take the xstroke engine and add a qtopia front end |
| 01:09.06 | andrewb | rev|lib: the 5600 is unknown territory right now, it seems. I've been trying to talk to developers for openzaurus and stuff in search of getting some functionality that the 5500 community has already achieved. |
| 01:09.07 | ljp | treke: probably that there's no X in opie |
| 01:09.12 | treke | kergoth`bbl: but there was something with keygrabbing I think |
| 01:09.26 | rev|lib | i wish there was a wine equivalent for Linux/StrongARM that could utilize DLLs/EXEs from WinCE/StrongARM |
| 01:09.29 | kergoth`bbl | treke: hmm, would be worth looking into again |
| 01:09.35 | George- | andrewb: ask around about the B500 |
| 01:09.36 | treke | kergoth`bbl: yeah it is. |
| 01:09.43 | rev|lib | then i could use that to write a wrapper around the Transcriber DLL and get *real* HWR. :) |
| 01:09.45 | treke | kergoth`bbl: I think that weekend I started doing the oe port |
| 01:09.46 | andrewb | George-: now there's an idea. |
| 01:09.47 | George- | andrewb: that's basically the japanese version of the 5600 |
| 01:09.48 | kergoth`bbl | treke: you want to add it to TODO or should I? |
| 01:09.50 | kergoth`bbl | treke: :) |
| 01:09.58 | George- | kergoth`tv: slacker. |
| 01:10.05 | treke | kergoth`tv: you can. I'm going home :) |
| 01:10.05 | rev|lib | treke: you could try starting from the PicoGUI version of xstroke instead of the X11 version... |
| 01:10.08 | rev|lib | it may be easier to adapt |
| 01:10.19 | treke | rev|lib: I'm not worried about that part |
| 01:10.20 | rev|lib | as they alrady had to go through and pull the X11 GUI apart from the engine logic |
| 01:10.21 | rev|lib | ah ok |
| 01:10.33 | rev|lib | thought it might a little easier to do |
| 01:10.40 | treke | rev|lib: it's getthing the strokes and sending events into the QWS event loop |
| 01:11.14 | rev|lib | ah |
| 01:11.17 | treke | actually now I remember the problem |
| 01:11.17 | rev|lib | and that's a pain? ;? |
| 01:11.20 | rev|lib | er :/ |
| 01:11.21 | rev|lib | that sucks |
| 01:11.22 | treke | getting the strokes was simple |
| 01:11.41 | treke | It was passing on events that I had captured back into the event loop to go to the destination app |
| 01:11.44 | andrewb | George-: nothing on google... If i knew the exact steps the kernel took to load a pcmcia style module, I would be able to debug it down to one step. It loads the driver alright, but then iwconfig and ifconfig don't see it. |
| 01:11.56 | treke | so that a clicking a button still worked |
| 01:12.14 | George- | andrewb: i'm going to bed :P |
| 01:12.41 | FreddieZ | treke, were you writing as an input method? |
| 01:12.47 | treke | FreddieZ: yes |
| 01:12.49 | treke | FreddieZ: sort of |
| 01:13.16 | treke | I think it needs to be done differently |
| 01:13.25 | FreddieZ | treke, if so, couldn't you just determine the click was out of your range and ignore() it? |
| 01:13.53 | rev|lib | there are two means of stroke recognition in squeak already |
| 01:14.05 | treke | FreddieZ: the purpose is to be able to use the full lcd for writing |
| 01:14.09 | rev|lib | one is really cool and would be neat to have in a general PDA environment like Qtopia or Dynapad |
| 01:14.20 | rev|lib | that is, you can have different 'stroke dictionaries' for different graphical object types |
| 01:14.28 | George- | is there an input method that'll accept continuous writing? |
| 01:14.30 | rev|lib | that is, for a text area, i have mine set to be regular letters/numbers |
| 01:14.32 | treke | but with QT/e you seem to have to lock the entire windowing system |
| 01:14.42 | rev|lib | george-: there is for the Newton OS or WinCE or desktop Windows or Mac OS X |
| 01:15.00 | treke | so once you enabled it , you couldnt interect with the system |
| 01:15.00 | George- | rev|lib: on Opie/Qtopia you duffer :P |
| 01:15.02 | rev|lib | but lets say for a different type of GUI object, you did other operations, and you could use different strokes for that |
| 01:15.08 | treke | at least thats what i ran into a problem with |
| 01:15.13 | rev|lib | george: that's my point, there *isn't* that anywhere but those OSes |
| 01:15.17 | George- | rev|lib: I know there was one for EPOC32.. it was called calligrapher iirc |
| 01:15.20 | rev|lib | yeah |
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| 01:15.30 | rev|lib | CalliGrapher is what is also on WinCE and desktin windos |
| 01:15.49 | rev|lib | except on WinCE and Win32, you don't have to write in a lil box like on the EPOC32 version of CG |
| 01:15.55 | Spec | So wait, i don't know if anyone answered my ignorant question: Is there a mic on the Z? |
| 01:15.59 | rev|lib | spec: no |
| 01:16.03 | rev|lib | you have to use a nexternal one :/ |
| 01:16.09 | rev|lib | presuming you mean the 5500 |
| 01:16.12 | Spec | where's the plug for it? :p |
| 01:16.13 | rev|lib | i think there may be one on the 5600 |
| 01:16.16 | rev|lib | spec: the headphone jack |
| 01:16.21 | Spec | oh, that works for mic too? |
| 01:16.23 | rev|lib | you have to switch the two |
| 01:16.25 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 01:16.29 | rev|lib | it uses the left channel or something |
| 01:16.33 | Spec | neato |
| 01:16.34 | treke | there is one on the 5600, but not the 5500 |
| 01:16.37 | rev|lib | (or the right, i can't recall which right now!) |
| 01:16.50 | Spec | I'll have to try that out sometime...(or put it off until i forget about it) |
| 01:16.58 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 01:17.02 | rev|lib | i was confused for a while about it |
| 01:17.06 | FreddieZ | treke: I had forgotten xstroke let you write anywhere |
| 01:17.08 | rev|lib | seems like adumb 'design choice,' imo |
| 01:17.13 | rev|lib | freddie: not neccesarily |
| 01:17.19 | FreddieZ | thing is |
| 01:17.22 | rev|lib | at least not in the original xstroke |
| 01:17.22 | Spec | I wonder if it can run xpilot... :) |
| 01:17.28 | rev|lib | with that you had to write in a lil box |
| 01:17.33 | rev|lib | spec: nope |
| 01:17.36 | treke | rev|lib: there is a flag for full screen |
| 01:17.39 | rev|lib | *but you can run copilot!* |
| 01:17.39 | Spec | why not? |
| 01:17.41 | rev|lib | treke: ah cool |
| 01:17.44 | FreddieZ | I haven't seen a decent hwr system other than grafiti |
| 01:17.47 | treke | you can still have the little box if you want it |
| 01:17.49 | George- | Spec: go give your Z a mic implant :P |
| 01:17.50 | rev|lib | spec: well, you probably could, but you'd need X11 |
| 01:17.51 | Spec | What's copilot? |
| 01:17.57 | Spec | There's an x11 emulator for it, right? |
| 01:17.58 | rev|lib | copilot is another palm OS emu |
| 01:18.01 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 01:18.04 | rev|lib | but that would suck |
| 01:18.12 | George- | rev|lib: why? |
| 01:18.13 | rev|lib | there is a palm emu that runs in regular qtopia |
| 01:18.23 | George- | rev|lib: X11 is _faster_ than Opie/Qte ;) |
| 01:18.28 | rev|lib | george: it would suck to run x11 for just one app when everything else was in qpe |
| 01:18.34 | George- | rev|lib: running matchbox anyway :) |
| 01:18.53 | rev|lib | george: perhaps, but i don't know about you, but unless you were doing X11 only, i'd rather run it in QPE rather than waste the ram for X11 for only one app |
| 01:19.05 | ljp | George-: prove it |
| 01:19.19 | George- | s/matchbox/blackbox |
| 01:19.37 | George- | ljp: Opie/Qte is unusably slow on a 36MHz ARM, but BlackBox runs fine :) |
| 01:20.07 | Spec | Ehm...i'll just not bother with xpilot then :p |
| 01:20.18 | Spec | doom shall satisfy my blood thirst *sigh* |
| 01:20.20 | George- | rev|lib: hah, sod that, just run xcopilot and get a warez palmos rom, and warez simcity 2000 for palm and play that all day! |
| 01:20.42 | George- | rev|lib: no need for qpe apps - you'll have no time left :) |
| 01:21.02 | George- | anyway, gtg |
| 01:21.11 | Spec | have fun |
| 01:21.32 | rev|lib | spec: just run it in copilot! |
| 01:21.36 | Spec | (Are there any other good time wasting games for the Z? Like frozenbubble?) |
| 01:21.40 | Spec | does copilot run xpilot? |
| 01:21.47 | rev|lib | huh? |
| 01:21.47 | rev|lib | oh |
| 01:21.50 | rev|lib | wait a sec |
| 01:21.54 | rev|lib | what is the xpilot you're talking about? |
| 01:21.55 | rev|lib | a game? |
| 01:21.56 | rev|lib | ha |
| 01:22.04 | rev|lib | i thought you were talking about xpilot the palm OS emulator |
| 01:22.07 | rev|lib | WHOOPS! |
| 01:22.08 | Spec | *snickers* |
| 01:22.13 | Spec | time wasting games of course! |
| 01:22.13 | rev|lib | that must be why they changed names to copilot |
| 01:22.14 | rev|lib | heh |
| 01:22.36 | ljp | George-: you have tried opie on 36 mHz? |
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| 01:24.18 | chouimat | hmmm I found someone more annoying than George- |
| 01:24.24 | Spec | (Me?) |
| 01:24.35 | chouimat | no chops in #elinux |
| 01:25.01 | Neo|Work | Spec: <plug>http://eongames.com/</plug> |
| 01:25.23 | Spec | froot! |
| 01:25.37 | FreddieZ | Neo, that was a shameless plug! |
| 01:25.46 | FreddieZ | :) |
| 01:25.50 | Spec | froot, get it! |
| 01:25.52 | Neo|Work | nah. |
| 01:25.58 | Neo|Work | just a hint |
| 01:26.07 | FreddieZ | there was shame involved? |
| 01:26.31 | Neo|Work | I don't believe in unnecessary verbose markup. ;-) |
| 01:26.33 | FreddieZ | if there was any shame at all, then it was ok. :) |
| 01:26.38 | FreddieZ | hheheh |
| 01:27.14 | Neo|Work | what the ... |
| 01:27.29 | ljp | shame less.. shameless, i.e. having no shame |
| 01:27.36 | Neo|Work | I placed a newegg order relatively late on friday |
| 01:27.41 | FreddieZ | devoid of shame |
| 01:27.49 | Neo|Work | today I got two tracking numbers. one of the shipments is already in Seattle |
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| 01:28.28 | Neo|Work | with an estimated delivery date of 04/23/2003 by 16:30 |
| 01:28.38 | Neo|Work | I sure hope it gets from Seattle to Everett in less than 2 days. :) |
| 01:28.47 | ljp | too bad UPS is going to hold on to it there till Wednesday |
| 01:29.04 | Neo|Work | fedex |
| 01:29.07 | Neo|Work | not usp |
| 01:29.08 | Neo|Work | ups |
| 01:29.12 | FreddieZ | neo: send it back with a note "Arrived far too quickly to the state, yet far too slowly within the state." |
| 01:29.20 | ljp | ahh, |
| 01:29.38 | FreddieZ | actually |
| 01:29.42 | ljp | I hav eseen UPS hold on to packages when they arrive early |
| 01:29.46 | FreddieZ | that didn't work |
| 01:29.50 | FreddieZ | :) |
| 01:30.07 | Neo|Work | the Swedish postal service does that to, or at least used to |
| 01:30.18 | Neo|Work | because otherwise, why pay to get it delivered EARLY/ |
| 01:30.38 | Spec | What program plays AVI's? "Media player?" |
| 01:30.55 | Neo|Work | ok, this doesn't add up |
| 01:31.07 | Neo|Work | according to this the package was shipped BEFORE I placed the order |
| 01:31.10 | Neo|Work | that'd be weird |
| 01:31.12 | ljp | yes, mediaplayer |
| 01:31.20 | Neo|Work | they are fast but I don't think they are THAT fast |
| 01:31.29 | FreddieZ | neo: newegg is THAT good |
| 01:31.33 | FreddieZ | :) |
| 01:31.41 | ljp | ha! |
| 01:31.55 | ljp | they may have daylight savings issues |
| 01:32.29 | Neo|Work | it's off by 2:20 H:M |
| 01:32.38 | Neo|Work | and the timezone is the same |
| 01:32.50 | ljp | oh.. hmm |
| 01:33.07 | Neo|Work | hrm |
| 01:33.14 | Neo|Work | maybe the date on the website is actually EST |
| 01:33.19 | ljp | mind readers they are |
| 01:33.20 | Neo|Work | even though they do ship from CA |
| 01:34.13 | Neo|Work | very odd |
| 01:34.22 | Neo|Work | well, I'll see when it arrives I suppose. :P |
| 01:34.44 | FreddieZ | heh |
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| 01:36.18 | FreddieZ | raster! |
| 01:36.36 | FreddieZ | what have you made the Z do lately? |
| 01:36.49 | FreddieZ | surely something VERY cool |
| 01:36.52 | raster | FreddieZ: pants!] |
| 01:37.02 | raster | FreddieZ: lately. nothintg. i havent had any time./ |
| 01:37.45 | FreddieZ | I know the feeling |
| 01:37.56 | FreddieZ | bbiaf - nap |
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| 01:39.28 | Neo|Work | raster: what do you when you don't do Z anyway? |
| 01:39.59 | raster | Neo|Work: work. |
| 01:40.06 | raster | evas |
| 01:40.07 | raster | ecore |
| 01:40.08 | raster | eet |
| 01:40.13 | raster | e17 |
| 01:40.16 | ljp | everything |
| 01:40.18 | raster | ... |
| 01:40.30 | raster | i have a backlog of patches |
| 01:40.35 | Neo|Work | raster: I was thinking what do you do for work, msotly. :P |
| 01:40.41 | raster | i have a backlog of e-mail to reply to of > 300 mails |
| 01:40.47 | raster | and thats not work e-mails |
| 01:41.08 | raster | i basically need 60 hour days |
| 01:41.10 | raster | but only get 24 |
| 01:41.44 | Neo|Work | we all do |
| 01:42.31 | ljp | get Superman to slow the rotation of the earth |
| 01:42.47 | Neo|Work | time compression |
| 01:42.49 | Neo|Work | that'd be nice |
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| 01:47.36 | Spec | "No appropriate decoders could be found for this file", meh |
| 01:48.02 | ljp | dixv? |
| 01:48.24 | Spec | it's an mpg |
| 01:48.31 | Spec | and i'm assuming divx |
| 01:48.37 | Spec | although i don't know much about video :( |
| 01:48.50 | ljp | sharp rom? |
| 01:48.54 | Spec | yes |
| 01:49.09 | ljp | ya, must be divx |
| 01:49.12 | Spec | Any suggestions? |
| 01:49.12 | sonix` | Dr.Z plays divx? |
| 01:49.36 | ljp | mplayer, opiemediaplayer2 can |
| 01:49.45 | Spec | opiemediaplayer2 works with sharp rom? |
| 01:49.54 | sonix` | the sharp rom player doesnt work for divx |
| 01:50.05 | sonix` | opiemediaplayer2 for sharp rom is too old |
| 01:50.35 | rev|lib | later kids |
| 01:50.35 | rev|lib | ciao |
| 01:50.38 | ljp | try mplayer then |
| 01:50.41 | Spec | What's your suggestion? |
| 01:50.52 | sonix` | i thought mplayer was command line |
| 01:50.55 | sonix` | i guess not |
| 01:51.01 | ljp | might have a gui |
| 01:51.06 | Spec | mplayer is command line |
| 01:51.07 | ljp | dunno. heh |
| 01:51.14 | _Psycho | xmms use mplayer no ? |
| 01:51.30 | _Psycho | wiat they both use lidmad or something my bad |
| 01:51.33 | Spec | I think xmms is for OZ only |
| 01:55.15 | Spec | and...mplayer crashes when i try to play that file |
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| 01:59.00 | CodeYoddler | Ok, for something to do while Yoper is installing, C++, Java, Command and Conquer, or Blender? |
| 01:59.13 | Spec | eh? |
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| 01:59.25 | Spec | oh, blender |
| 01:59.37 | chouimat|tv | kergoth`tv: PING |
| 01:59.44 | ^slash | does anyone know whats faster out of MMC and SD ?? (to play divx video) |
| 02:00.01 | Spec | tkcvideo looks like it supports divx |
| 02:00.03 | mewyn` | CF |
| 02:00.05 | ^slash | or divx on those 2 aint gonna happen |
| 02:00.17 | ^slash | CF is taken up by the wifi card |
| 02:00.25 | mewyn` | then NFS |
| 02:00.35 | ^slash | so inother words SD or MMX wont cut it |
| 02:00.40 | ^slash | er MMC |
| 02:01.31 | ^slash | ? |
| 02:02.36 | Neo|Work | for media you want to have on the Zaurus? it should be fine |
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| 02:04.22 | Spec | does OZ's media player support divx? |
| 02:04.40 | ljp | mediaplayer2 |
| 02:04.44 | mewyn` | SD is supposed to be faster, but on the Z, i think they are the same |
| 02:04.45 | kergoth`tv | Spec: OZ's a distribution |
| 02:04.51 | kergoth`tv | Spec: OPIE has a media player that supports divx, yes |
| 02:04.54 | ^slash | yeah but i see this multimedicard is cheaper then the SD stuff wondering if there is a huge difference in paying the extra for the SD |
| 02:05.32 | Spec | Does the OPIE's media player work with the sharp rom? :p |
| 02:05.33 | ^slash | hmm maybe is hould just pay out the extra for the SD, prolly worth it in the end and stop being a tightass ;-) |
| 02:05.52 | Spec | SD isn't too expensive |
| 02:06.00 | Spec | i found a 256mb card for only 65$ |
| 02:06.17 | ^slash | im in Aus tho |
| 02:06.20 | ^slash | EVERYTHING IS EXPENSIVE |
| 02:06.22 | Spec | hehe |
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| 02:06.31 | mewyn` | kergoth`tv: i gotta figure out lirc and the skyfi remote |
| 02:06.51 | ^slash | Kingston 256MB Secure Digital (SD) Memory Card - $ 275 inc (what the local comp shop told me) |
| 02:06.59 | ^slash | in Aussie dollar |
| 02:07.23 | ^slash | rpi off |
| 02:07.26 | ^slash | er rip |
| 02:07.28 | ^slash | heh |
| 02:09.00 | Spec | use the "internet" to "order" a card :) |
| 02:11.38 | ^slash | lol "internet" eh... |
| 02:11.49 | ^slash | must be one of those new things i haven't heard of yet |
| 02:12.03 | Spec | Yeah, you may find it at walmart, it comes in a small blue box. |
| 02:12.23 | ^slash | hah |
| 02:12.23 | Neo|Work | doubt they have walmart in AU |
| 02:12.26 | Neo|Work | or do you? :P |
| 02:12.27 | ^slash | yah |
| 02:12.33 | ^slash | no walmart |
| 02:12.34 | ^slash | ;-( |
| 02:12.54 | ^slash | ahh we always get the ass end of everything |
| 02:13.01 | ^slash | we cant even get the 5600 zaurus in Oz |
| 02:13.11 | Neo|Work | "AU - We're the ass of the world." |
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| 02:13.23 | ^slash | sharp Australia emailed me saying "unfortunatly we dont plan on ever selling this model" |
| 02:13.26 | Neo|Work | well, the 5600 is US only now isn't it? |
| 02:13.39 | ^slash | i duno |
| 02:13.45 | ^slash | just what i got told by sharp |
| 02:14.00 | ^slash | pretty sad if you ask me |
| 02:14.08 | ^slash | and if it breaks if i import from USA they wont fix it hah |
| 02:14.09 | ^slash | bastards |
| 02:14.16 | ^slash | but eh im happy with the 5500 |
| 02:14.49 | ^slash | and by th elooks of things not many ppl hav ethe 5600 yet |
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| 02:15.11 | Neo|Work | well, sources say that the total batch of 5600 made is 2000 |
| 02:15.23 | ^slash | hmm |
| 02:15.28 | ^slash | why ? |
| 02:15.33 | Neo|Work | why what? |
| 02:15.37 | ^slash | so little |
| 02:15.41 | ^slash | zaurus dont sell well ? |
| 02:15.46 | Neo|Work | because they expect sales in that range? |
| 02:15.53 | Spec | Just send a load of money onto my credit card, and i'll see about hooking you up with a 5600 :-) |
| 02:15.55 | Neo|Work | the 5500 has a total worldwide run of like 25000 or something |
| 02:16.34 | ^slash | heres a question on your SD slots do you guys have a cover like the CF slot or like me and have the SD slot gaping with no cover ? |
| 02:16.50 | ^slash | ie dummy card |
| 02:16.57 | Neo|Work | my axim does |
| 02:17.00 | sonix` | no. |
| 02:17.06 | ^slash | hmm well that would explain why there is no 5600 in Aus yet |
| 02:17.17 | sonix` | heh |
| 02:17.19 | ^slash | thought it was strange that my CF had a dummie card in it and not the SD |
| 02:21.28 | Spec | argh |
| 02:21.32 | Spec | now i really need a SD card :p |
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| 02:28.24 | Spec | Folks, i'd like to sing a song about the American dream. |
| 02:28.39 | ^slash | oh ? |
| 02:29.16 | Spec | Denis leary, "asshole" |
| 02:29.23 | Spec | err, dennis* |
| 02:31.06 | kergoth`tv | that song rocks |
| 02:31.12 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 02:31.23 | Spec | giFT? |
| 02:31.35 | Spec | Because we got the bombs, OKAY?! |
| 02:38.33 | krezel | gift? |
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| 02:51.04 | Marsupilami23 | Can anyone tell me the size I need to have a pic to use it for a background? |
| 02:51.25 | ivan | 240x320 |
| 02:51.31 | Marsupilami23 | Groovy |
| 02:51.33 | Marsupilami23 | thanks |
| 02:57.36 | Marsupilami23 | Second question, what format does it need to be? png? jpg? |
| 02:58.03 | treke|home | Marsupilami23: jpg |
| 02:58.16 | Marsupilami23 | Oh crud |
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| 03:19.03 | ^slash | how much for a 256 meg SD stick in USA ? |
| 03:19.14 | ^slash | $80 ? |
| 03:20.57 | sonix` | no |
| 03:21.00 | sonix` | 50. |
| 03:21.03 | sonix` | even less with rebate |
| 03:21.37 | ^slash | fuck |
| 03:21.39 | ^slash | i hat Aus |
| 03:21.43 | ^slash | hate |
| 03:21.57 | ^slash | i just paid $170 Aus for 256 meg SD |
| 03:22.00 | ^slash | sigh ;-( |
| 03:22.07 | ^slash | cheapest i could find here |
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| 03:22.16 | ^slash | sux to be aussie sometimes |
| 03:22.29 | ivan | US, the land of the cheap stuff |
| 03:23.00 | Shdwdrgn | especially morals |
| 03:23.18 | Shdwdrgn | personal values |
| 03:23.32 | ljp | cheap women, too! |
| 03:23.51 | ^slash | lol |
| 03:24.19 | treke|laptop | ljp: where can I find them? |
| 03:24.31 | ljp | living in trailers |
| 03:24.41 | treke|laptop | sweeet |
| 03:24.59 | treke|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:29.27 | ljp | treke: bring beers and cigarettes |
| 03:32.02 | treke|laptop | ljp: cigarettes yes, but i'm not sharing mybeer |
| 03:32.33 | ljp | treke: you'll need beer goggles |
| 03:33.25 | treke|laptop | shouldnt you be blwing your interview right now? |
| 03:35.57 | ljp | I'm still in it! |
| 03:36.12 | ljp | seems to be going well. but I always think that |
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| 03:43.39 | chouimat|reading | ljp: interview? |
| 03:43.48 | ljp | still going, about to end |
| 03:44.16 | ljp | and I am hungry |
| 03:44.20 | treke|laptop | <Warwick> so when do we get to the good candidates? |
| 03:44.34 | kergoth | <Warwick> damn hippies |
| 03:44.40 | chouimat|reading | ?? |
| 03:44.50 | ljp | ha |
| 03:45.01 | treke|laptop | <ljp> Will work for rum |
| 03:45.14 | kergoth | <ljp> and pizza |
| 03:45.16 | ljp | <Warwick> how do we topple the pillar of Opie!? |
| 03:45.47 | treke|laptop | <ljp> All you need is free hookers with every Qtopia license |
| 03:46.17 | kergoth | chouimat|reading: nono, you just need more alcohol |
| 03:46.27 | ljp | every interview I do, I think I did well. |
| 03:46.36 | kergoth | ljp: i hate that |
| 03:46.38 | ljp | I think this one was the best so far. |
| 03:46.44 | kergoth | nice. good luck man |
| 03:47.03 | ljp | seems like it would be doing pretty much what I do now |
| 03:47.13 | treke|laptop | ljp: nothing? |
| 03:47.17 | ljp | hang out, drink rum |
| 03:47.22 | kergoth | I need a job like that |
| 03:47.25 | ljp | write code |
| 03:47.40 | ljp | work on the web site. answer emails |
| 03:48.25 | ljp | but with one benefit: money |
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| 03:49.08 | ljp | hey BZ |
| 03:50.07 | Com[Plex | whats new? is 3.3 out yet? |
| 03:50.08 | Com[Plex | lol |
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| 03:55.59 | Com[Plex | anyone here compiled jbluez yet? |
| 03:56.18 | kergoth | Com[Plex: bluez tools are in buildroot, a guy is working on adding the modules |
| 03:56.39 | Com[Plex | Ive been trying to, but I cant get it to work. I have been setting up my compiler for it, but I get an error that it cant find -lbluetooth |
| 03:56.56 | Com[Plex | hmm. |
| 03:57.00 | kergoth | Com[Plex: the tools are already in our buildroot man :) |
| 03:57.13 | Com[Plex | so.. trhat means I dont have to compile it? |
| 03:57.26 | kergoth | that means it can compile it into ipks for you |
| 03:57.53 | Com[Plex | Jbluez ? the java thing for bluetooth? or just Bluez? or are they the same? |
| 03:58.08 | kergoth | oh, havent tried jbluez |
| 03:58.16 | kergoth | but it sounds like you just need the bluez lib |
| 03:58.24 | Com[Plex | I have the bluez libs |
| 03:59.20 | Com[Plex | buit I cant manage to compile Jbluez.. I got the jdk on my linux box. so it gets through all the java motions, but when it goes to gcc, it errors out. hold on, let me ire it up again. |
| 03:59.26 | chouimat|reading | kergoth: yeah alcohol and 103 F of fever very very good mix |
| 04:00.19 | kergoth | chouimat|reading: hehe |
| 04:00.57 | ljp | alcohol is supposed to cool you down |
| 04:01.22 | chouimat|reading | ljp: I know |
| 04:01.56 | Com[Plex | gcc -I /usr/lib/java/include -I /usr/lib/java/include/linux -shared -lbluetooth BlueZ.c -o ../../bin/libjbluez.so |
| 04:01.59 | Com[Plex | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lbluetooth |
| 04:02.20 | Com[Plex | Ive tried two different versions ofthe bluez libs |
| 04:02.22 | kergoth | then its not in the lib path |
| 04:02.30 | Com[Plex | it doesnt exsist |
| 04:02.31 | kergoth | -L/path/to/your/libbluetooth.so |
| 04:02.35 | kergoth | what? |
| 04:02.39 | Com[Plex | uh.. |
| 04:02.53 | Com[Plex | lbluetooth - I thought I needed that file exactly.. |
| 04:03.04 | Com[Plex | *sigh*. Im a programing novice. |
| 04:03.07 | kergoth | -lbluetooth means its trying to link against libbluetooth.so |
| 04:03.40 | kergoth | win 14 |
| 04:03.47 | Com[Plex | ? |
| 04:03.56 | kergoth | was supposed to be /win 14 |
| 04:03.59 | kergoth | switch to irc window 14 |
| 04:04.03 | Com[Plex | ahh.. |
| 04:04.39 | Com[Plex | no such file libbluetooth.so.... |
| 04:04.55 | chouimat|reading | http://www.atai.org/softwarewar.png |
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| 04:15.05 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 05:29.42 | NeoTron | ahaha |
| 05:30.01 | NeoTron | guess that's why there's no getcwd in PocketPC -there IS no current directory. :-)) |
| 05:37.34 | mutexer | yeah, everything has to be full paths |
| 05:38.12 | oGMo | *sob* |
| 05:38.15 | kergoth | NeoTron: you see the new bitstream vera fonts? |
| 05:38.18 | oGMo | sounds lke Java |
| 05:38.20 | mutexer | threw me for some loops too.. since my game ran fine on my PC |
| 05:38.22 | kergoth | NeoTron: made up some qpfs. http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/screenshots/sc_19.04.15_Wed_31_Dec_1969.png |
| 05:38.25 | kergoth | NeoTron: :) |
| 05:38.27 | mutexer | ad it was the same code |
| 05:40.30 | NeoTron | nice |
| 05:40.46 | NeoTron | mutexer: indeed. you know how to get the path to the executable right? |
| 05:41.02 | mutexer | nope |
| 05:41.06 | fliplap | is the Zaurus cheap anywhere now? |
| 05:41.11 | mutexer | I just hardcoded with some defines |
| 05:41.13 | NeoTron | GetModuleFileName |
| 05:41.36 | NeoTron | void GetAppPath(TCHAR * pszPath, int nMaxSize) |
| 05:41.36 | NeoTron | { |
| 05:41.36 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.36 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.39 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.41 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.43 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.45 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.47 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.49 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.51 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.53 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.55 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.58 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.59 | NeoTron | } |
| 05:42.01 | NeoTron | oops |
| 05:42.03 | NeoTron | doh |
| 05:42.05 | NeoTron | sorry about that |
| 05:42.07 | NeoTron | well, mutexer, there you go pretty much |
| 05:42.38 | mutexer | GetModuleFileName returns the exe name attached to it? |
| 05:43.49 | NeoTron | right |
| 05:43.55 | NeoTron | if the current module is indeed the exe. :) |
| 05:44.04 | NeoTron | that code, somehwere in the exe, gets the name of it |
| 05:44.13 | NeoTron | then you scan backwards to get the directory and voila. :) |
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| 06:09.31 | pyromance | Do a little dance |
| 06:09.33 | pyromance | make a little love |
| 06:09.37 | pyromance | get down tonight! Woo! |
| 06:13.54 | sonix` | ... |
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| 06:18.14 | sig | anyone using a name@jabber.org IM ? |
| 06:18.27 | sig | jabber IM that is |
| 06:45.11 | pyromance | mmmm |
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| 07:37.32 | NeoTron | man how annoying |
| 07:37.48 | NeoTron | physfs dll works when compiled in release mode but not in debug mode |
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| 07:44.26 | NeoTron | GAH |
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| 08:01.19 | mutexer | heh |
| 08:01.39 | mutexer | that tis |
| 08:01.50 | mutexer | well I think im done for the night.. later |
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| 08:22.50 | NeoTron | figured it out |
| 08:22.55 | NeoTron | linked to the wrong library |
| 08:23.24 | George- | bleh |
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| 08:24.12 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 08:24.12 | George- | weird, I've gone for 2 weeks without a single piece of spam, then two in one day? |
| 08:24.26 | pyromance | What is that USB package I should be looking for to fix the OZ 3.2 hotplug issue? |
| 08:25.10 | George- | usbnet |
| 08:25.15 | George- | ibot usbnet |
| 08:25.16 | | [usbnet] at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/, or at http://zorian.kicks-ass.org/files/usbnet-2.4.21-rc7.tar.gz |
| 08:30.30 | pyromance | thanks george |
| 08:30.59 | pyromance | Christ... will I have to compile that one on my own? |
| 08:31.47 | George- | get the one from zorian |
| 08:31.51 | George- | ;) |
| 08:32.43 | pyromance | That's mentioned for the ipaq... I take it Z hardware won't be different |
| 08:32.52 | George- | I dunno |
| 08:33.00 | George- | the one from zorian works with the zaurus sl5000d :) |
| 08:33.02 | George- | on 2.4.20 |
| 08:33.06 | George- | (zorian is my server) |
| 08:33.37 | pyromance | Grr... what's with my Z not bringing up the USB interface half the time too? |
| 08:33.46 | George- | ... |
| 08:33.46 | pyromance | I am going to slam this thing against a wall ... |
| 08:33.51 | pyromance | ( a well padded wall ) |
| 08:33.57 | George- | I'll give you my postal address if you want :) |
| 08:34.37 | pyromance | I <3 smbmount |
| 08:34.43 | George- | bleh |
| 08:35.58 | pyromance | GCC is 15 megs... I need to get a bigger-than-64M SD card |
| 08:36.08 | George- | http://www.bash.org/?84451 |
| 08:36.10 | George- | hahahahahaha |
| 08:36.29 | pyromance | LMAO |
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| 08:37.22 | George- | http://www.bash.org/?84402 |
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| 08:42.07 | pyromance | Umm |
| 08:42.27 | pyromance | can't quite compile usbnet since I never made a custom kernel |
| 08:45.30 | pyromance | My eyes are watering, George |
| 08:45.36 | pyromance | bash.org is nasty in a funny way |
| 08:49.16 | George- | heh |
| 08:51.32 | pyromance | http://www.bash.org/?48121 |
| 08:53.46 | George- | Those... BASTARDS |
| 08:54.05 | George- | argh |
| 08:54.12 | George- | They're gonna keep my laptop for another week |
| 08:54.15 | George- | *(£&%"(£%*&" |
| 09:11.30 | George- | that makes.... 12 weeks in repair |
| 09:11.32 | George- | bleh |
| 09:11.37 | George- | bastards |
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| 09:20.59 | ||ugh | George-, whos got your laptop? I want to AVOID them! |
| 09:22.05 | George- | ||ugh: apple |
| 09:22.09 | yeiazel | :) |
| 09:22.30 | ||ugh | Woha. Thats just wrong. |
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| 09:30.37 | pyromance | Craputers and Craptops |
| 09:30.53 | George- | My powerbook is a pile of dysfunctioning titanium |
| 09:31.10 | George- | or malfunctioning if you want :) |
| 09:33.48 | Wintre | Apple Quality (TM) |
| 09:41.37 | Twiun | mornin' all |
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| 10:28.59 | George- | Wintre: I'm forming a stronger impression each day that you're a troll :P |
| 10:29.17 | phoen][x | TiBook! TiBook! |
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| 11:32.44 | [aSQUi] | anyone alive? :) |
| 11:32.54 | darmou | yes |
| 11:33.26 | [aSQUi] | I'm trying to get some connectivity between linux and my Sl5500.. having great difficulty.. was wondering if someone could give me a hand. |
| 11:33.38 | [aSQUi] | I've tried installing qtopia-desktop but can't get it to run.. |
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| 12:46.32 | George- | phoen][x: I SNEAK PAST TO BUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:46.48 | phoen][x | George-: I NEED HELP WITH TO QUACK!! |
| 12:46.54 | phoen][x | morning George- |
| 12:47.03 | George- | phoen][x: HELP FOR TO ME!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:47.04 | polin8 | ALL YOUR BASE... |
| 12:47.22 | phoen][x | now stop shouting before you wake kergoth up |
| 12:47.27 | George- | polin8: shut up you don't know what we're talking about :P |
| 12:47.35 | George- | phoen][x: HELP FOR TO ME!!!!! |
| 12:47.41 | George- | I SNEAK PAST TO BUN!!!! |
| 12:47.58 | George- | HELP FOR TO ME OR SISTER TIE TO ME UP!!! |
| 12:48.22 | phoen][x | argh |
| 12:48.45 | George- | phoen][x: you started it! |
| 12:48.49 | George- | </pathetic-lies> |
| 12:48.53 | George- | anyway, I gtg afk |
| 12:48.55 | George- | cya |
| 12:49.06 | phoen][x | cyas |
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| 12:53.49 | phoen][x | now that is a leet nick |
| 12:54.33 | phoen][x | too bad that i dont have an h in my real name :( |
| 13:01.30 | George- | back |
| 13:03.08 | Twiun | anyone on the openzaurus-users ml? |
| 13:03.29 | ljp | no |
| 13:04.00 | phoen][x | George-: did you SNEAK PAST TO BUN?? |
| 13:04.03 | George- | Twiun: illegal immigrant. |
| 13:04.16 | George- | phoen][x: I SNEAK PAST TO BUN!!!! |
| 13:05.22 | Twiun | wtf is that about? |
| 13:05.38 | George- | Twiun: well, you're french for a start. |
| 13:05.54 | Twiun | George-: I'm referring to your shouting of course |
| 13:06.11 | ljp | ibot: kick George- #zaurus |
| 13:06.12 | | ljp: I give up, what is it? |
| 13:06.32 | George- | Twiun: http://rikkus.info/bfinn.html |
| 13:06.37 | ljp | ibot: help |
| 13:07.22 | George- | ibot kick ljp #zaurus |
| 13:07.22 | | George-: wish i knew |
| 13:07.27 | George- | ibot kick #zaurus ljp |
| 13:07.28 | | George-: bugger all, i dunno |
| 13:07.32 | George- | ibot die |
| 13:07.34 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
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| 13:08.03 | Twiun | George-: looks like someone was using babelfish on irc |
| 13:08.15 | George- | Twiun: nawp, he was trying to annoy them :) |
| 13:08.20 | George- | Twiun: and he succeeded |
| 13:08.23 | George- | Twiun: hence he's my hero :) |
| 13:09.40 | ljp | ibot: kill George- |
| 13:09.42 | | ACTION slits George-'s throat |
| 13:11.02 | George- | FUCK |
| 13:12.56 | George- | argh |
| 13:13.04 | ljp | George-: dont you have some other place to be? |
| 13:13.26 | George- | nawp |
| 13:14.11 | ljp | why not go to the park today? |
| 13:14.49 | George- | because I don't know where it is :) |
| 13:15.01 | ljp | down the street a ways |
| 13:15.14 | George- | street? |
| 13:15.34 | ljp | ya, a road.. pavement. dirt,, you know |
| 13:16.28 | George- | huh? |
| 13:16.31 | George- | whassat? |
| 13:16.47 | George- | yay! I just got another super emerald in sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles! |
| 13:17.05 | ljp | its the place you should ride you and the horse you came in on |
| 13:18.51 | George- | SHIT!!!! |
| 13:18.57 | George- | argh |
| 13:18.58 | George- | ARGH |
| 13:22.09 | pHluid | Trusted Debian 1.0 released |
| 13:22.10 | pHluid | :D |
| 13:23.03 | George- | waho 6/7 emeralds collected |
| 13:23.25 | pHluid | Speaking of which |
| 13:23.35 | pHluid | There needs to be a Genesis emu |
| 13:23.37 | pHluid | :| |
| 13:25.25 | George- | 7/7 |
| 13:25.27 | George- | wahooooo |
| 13:26.12 | pHluid | Generator should be easily portable |
| 13:26.29 | pHluid | There's already an iPaq/Cassiopeia version |
| 13:28.09 | George- | oooh |
| 13:28.12 | George- | super tails :) |
| 13:28.37 | kolla | genesis? |
| 13:29.20 | ljp | ya, the band.. you know... |
| 13:31.09 | George- | no, the Sega Genesis :P |
| 13:31.40 | ljp | I'd like to see a Genesis, the band, emu |
| 13:31.59 | George- | rofl |
| 13:32.04 | George- | weird weird person |
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| 13:32.24 | ljp | its all the drugs I think I took in the 60's |
| 13:34.53 | doughecka | ho ho ho, ljp must be old |
| 13:36.40 | ljp | I'm joking, |
| 13:36.46 | ljp | I'm old, but not that old |
| 13:36.47 | doughecka | oh |
| 13:37.17 | ljp | but I do remember watching the first moon landing on tv, live |
| 13:37.18 | doughecka | 16 years old |
| 13:37.24 | doughecka | WOWOWOW! |
| 13:37.26 | doughecka | ;) |
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| 13:39.54 | ^slash | hahah pure gold... i flashed my zaurus and now she wont turn on! |
| 13:39.56 | ^slash | whoop |
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| 13:40.08 | pHluid | My ethernet cards are coming in today... finally, maybe my Z can be useful :) |
| 13:40.18 | George- | ljp: I thought you were 13 :P |
| 13:40.30 | George- | ^slash: did you full reset after flashing? |
| 13:40.46 | ^slash | yep |
| 13:41.02 | ljp | I am. I age backwards |
| 13:41.05 | George- | ^slash: is the switch back to the "normal operation" setting? |
| 13:41.08 | George- | ljp: hahaha |
| 13:41.16 | ^slash | yep |
| 13:41.18 | ^slash | heh |
| 13:41.21 | George- | ^slash: try again |
| 13:41.23 | ^slash | its fucked it self |
| 13:41.28 | ^slash | flashed for like a minute |
| 13:41.31 | George- | ^slash: if that fails, take the battery and ac adaptor out |
| 13:41.32 | ^slash | then died |
| 13:41.36 | George- | ^slash: and leave for a while |
| 13:41.41 | doughecka | did you flash OSPACK or OZ? |
| 13:41.46 | ^slash | OZ |
| 13:41.53 | doughecka | ur not toast |
| 13:41.54 | doughecka | :P |
| 13:41.56 | George- | ^slash: then your Z shouldn't be bricked |
| 13:42.03 | ^slash | how so ? |
| 13:42.06 | ^slash | it wont turn on |
| 13:42.07 | George- | doughecka: go fucking eat your toast :P |
| 13:42.12 | doughecka | toast? |
| 13:42.16 | George- | ^slash: take the battery out and ac adaptor out |
| 13:42.16 | ^slash | sounds more like a brick to me |
| 13:42.21 | doughecka | you mean eggs and ham |
| 13:42.25 | ^slash | let me try again |
| 13:42.28 | ^slash | power plugged in |
| 13:42.28 | George- | ^slash: leave it like that for about 1/2 hour |
| 13:42.39 | George- | ^slash: then try to reflash |
| 13:42.43 | ^slash | press c and d and the full rest yeah ? |
| 13:42.46 | George- | ^slash: this happened to me the first time I tried to flash OZ |
| 13:42.51 | doughecka | ^slash: the OZ flash wont break the boot loader, but OSPACK will if it fials |
| 13:42.52 | George- | ^slash: yeh, |
| 13:42.55 | George- | doughecka: shut up |
| 13:43.07 | George- | doughecka: OSPACK doesn't _necessarily_ break angel :) |
| 13:43.12 | ^slash | duno how the fuck you guys pulled it off i had to get my gf to push the rest |
| 13:43.13 | ^slash | hah |
| 13:43.28 | ^slash | unless im the only guy that has 2 hands |
| 13:43.33 | doughecka | its all because of me |
| 13:43.35 | doughecka | :P |
| 13:43.39 | George- | ^slash: I hold the Z in my left hand, I hold the C + D buttons with my left thumb and stick the stylus in the full reset with my right hand |
| 13:43.57 | George- | ^slash: it's possible |
| 13:44.35 | George- | anyway, gotta transfer a truckload of MP3s over |
| 13:44.45 | ^slash | well |
| 13:44.57 | ^slash | can i just mash the keys in that area or only c and d |
| 13:45.06 | George- | only C and D |
| 13:45.11 | George- | or you're fucked |
| 13:45.17 | Twiun | ^slash: suffering from large fingers? |
| 13:45.17 | ^slash | well fuck me |
| 13:45.23 | ^slash | hahah |
| 13:45.33 | ljp | use a paper clip |
| 13:48.25 | George- | ^slash: heh |
| 13:48.36 | George- | ^slash: I'm only ickle, so that's prolly why I can hit both buttons with my thumb ;) |
| 13:49.11 | ^slash | hollly FUCK |
| 13:49.15 | ^slash | i got it working |
| 13:49.19 | ^slash | well ON |
| 13:49.23 | Twiun | cool :) |
| 13:49.25 | ^slash | and its streaming SHIT down the screen |
| 13:49.29 | ^slash | for Wahsahkjdhskjhds |
| 13:49.29 | ^slash | dhs |
| 13:49.29 | ^slash | dahs |
| 13:49.30 | ^slash | dakhs |
| 13:49.30 | ^slash | kldsahkldsah |
| 13:49.30 | ^slash | ads |
| 13:49.32 | ^slash | dsa |
| 13:49.34 | ^slash | da |
| 13:49.38 | ^slash | sa |
| 13:49.40 | ^slash | hahahahahah |
| 13:49.42 | ^slash | INIT : repsonding toooo fast |
| 13:49.44 | ^slash | nice nice |
| 13:49.47 | ^slash | just like what i want to see |
| 13:49.58 | ^slash | hmm |
| 13:49.59 | Twiun | you're own rom? |
| 13:50.00 | George- | just what you want to see? |
| 13:50.03 | George- | a fucked up rom? :P |
| 13:50.05 | Twiun | s/you're/your/ |
| 13:50.09 | ^slash | haha |
| 13:50.12 | ^slash | no OZ |
| 13:50.18 | George- | Twiun: go back to France, learn English *then* come back :) |
| 13:50.27 | ^slash | ok, so how do i REflash |
| 13:50.30 | ^slash | same steps ? |
| 13:50.55 | Twiun | George-: go stick your head in some acid, will you? |
| 13:51.11 | Twiun | ^slash: yup - but try just rebooting |
| 13:51.54 | ^slash | ok rebooted |
| 13:51.58 | ^slash | and it wants roots passwd ? |
| 13:52.00 | ^slash | what the |
| 13:52.39 | Twiun | it should go straight into opie |
| 13:52.58 | ^slash | hmm you see the flashy OPen Zaurus shit |
| 13:53.02 | ^slash | then fsck error |
| 13:53.10 | Twiun | which device? |
| 13:53.12 | ^slash | and drops me to a shell |
| 13:53.16 | ^slash | um |
| 13:53.27 | ^slash | filesystem is fucked |
| 13:53.32 | ^slash | i think she neeeds a reflash |
| 13:53.39 | ^slash | so i can do the same steps and it will reflash ? |
| 13:53.47 | ljp | she? it has boobs? |
| 13:53.53 | Twiun | as long as the files are still on the CF card, sure |
| 13:53.55 | George- | Twiun: citric acid? |
| 13:53.59 | George- | Twiun: :P |
| 13:54.07 | ^slash | my zauriny does |
| 13:54.08 | Twiun | George-: go for fluoric acid |
| 13:54.15 | George- | Twiun: nah, I prefer citric |
| 13:54.42 | ^slash | hmm nothing happend |
| 13:54.48 | ^slash | in terms of lights flashing this time round |
| 13:54.49 | George- | mmmmm |
| 13:55.00 | ljp | Lysergic acid diethylamide |
| 13:55.02 | George- | ^slash: sounds like you hit the wrong buttons |
| 13:55.12 | ^slash | c d and full reset yeah ? |
| 13:55.17 | ^slash | you see the power light go out |
| 13:55.17 | George- | ^slash: yes |
| 13:55.31 | ^slash | then you release and the powr light comes back up a few seconds later |
| 13:55.32 | George- | ^slash: if the power light goes out then comes back, you did something wrong |
| 13:55.37 | ^slash | i gatherd |
| 13:55.38 | ^slash | hah |
| 13:55.45 | George- | ^slash: like forget to put the CF in, or hit the wrong buttons etc |
| 13:55.48 | ^slash | i neeeed a freakshow to reset this thing |
| 13:55.52 | ^slash | nah CF is there |
| 13:55.59 | ^slash | i love being the newb with the new toy |
| 13:56.02 | George- | I've tried to flash with no CF several times :) |
| 13:56.15 | ^slash | hah im sure alot of pppl try |
| 13:56.35 | ljp | uhh, george, you would |
| 13:57.48 | ^slash | ok |
| 13:57.55 | ^slash | this time the lights came on |
| 13:58.00 | ^slash | and now off |
| 13:58.08 | ^slash | and power light is yet to come back |
| 13:58.12 | ^slash | must be working |
| 13:58.13 | ^slash | ;-) |
| 13:58.43 | George- | ljp: *grin* |
| 13:58.57 | George- | ljp: I'm like "WTF!?!?! WHY IS IT NOT FLASHING!!" |
| 13:58.57 | ^slash | when the lighs go off does that mean flashed ? or do i wait till power light comes back ? |
| 13:59.04 | George- | ljp: "uhh, woops, forgot to put the CF in" :) |
| 13:59.22 | George- | ^slash: the power light comes back when you've hit full reset |
| 13:59.28 | ^slash | oh |
| 13:59.31 | George- | I've gone thru this process sooo many times, lol |
| 13:59.32 | ^slash | so its flashed now then ? |
| 13:59.39 | ^slash | once both lights go |
| 13:59.41 | George- | should be |
| 13:59.43 | ^slash | im all good for the reset |
| 13:59.45 | ^slash | hmm |
| 13:59.57 | ^slash | nice |
| 14:00.17 | ^slash | ok |
| 14:00.20 | ^slash | its fucked it self again |
| 14:00.28 | ^slash | for : bad for header, skipping |
| 14:00.30 | ^slash | streaming |
| 14:00.46 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 14:00.48 | ^slash | ERROR /usr/wa wa wa cant open file |
| 14:01.00 | ^slash | now its disabling init coz its respaqning nice |
| 14:01.11 | ^slash | well at least i saw the booot screen |
| 14:01.19 | Twiun | did you check the checksums on the image+initrd? |
| 14:01.36 | ^slash | yea |
| 14:01.51 | ^slash | all good |
| 14:01.57 | Twiun | hmm... what Z? |
| 14:02.12 | George- | ^slash: sounds like you're initrd.bin is fubar |
| 14:02.16 | George- | s/you're/your/ |
| 14:02.17 | George- | bleh |
| 14:02.23 | George- | I made the same mistake as Twiun :( |
| 14:02.43 | Twiun | ~lart George- |
| 14:03.23 | ^slash | well |
| 14:03.25 | ^slash | then |
| 14:03.40 | ^slash | how do i flash it now the stock rom is fucked and i got no way of getting shit on the CF |
| 14:03.41 | ^slash | haha |
| 14:03.43 | ^slash | jessus |
| 14:03.56 | *** join/#zaurus warmi (~a3c01504@dsl092-131-081.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 14:04.04 | warmi | hi |
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| 14:05.48 | ^slash | hmm |
| 14:05.49 | ^slash | i wonder |
| 14:06.30 | George- | ^slash: get a CF reader |
| 14:06.33 | George- | heya warmi |
| 14:06.40 | Twiun | ^slash: very useful device |
| 14:06.45 | Twiun | hey warmi |
| 14:06.47 | George- | warmi: another 5 hours and I'll be gone :) |
| 14:06.57 | George- | warmi: effectively for three months |
| 14:07.20 | ^slash | hmmm |
| 14:07.26 | ^slash | well useful now aint it |
| 14:07.27 | ^slash | ;-( |
| 14:07.52 | George- | Twiun: I'm coding a script right now to attempt to automate my annoyance |
| 14:08.13 | George- | Twiun: ie - when kergoth enters start yelling the URL http://profiles.yahoo.com/kergoth |
| 14:08.17 | George- | Twiun: and yell "yikes" :) |
| 14:08.31 | George- | Twiun: and so on |
| 14:08.46 | George- | my annoyance is so simple it can be reduced to a set of simple algorithms |
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| 14:09.02 | Twiun | just like the rest of your intelect? |
| 14:09.19 | Twiun | # catr /dev/null > George- |
| 14:09.25 | Twiun | Files are identical |
| 14:09.28 | George- | Twiun: haha |
| 14:09.32 | George- | Twiun: catr? :P |
| 14:09.34 | warmi | George-: where are you going ? |
| 14:09.39 | George- | warmi: school |
| 14:09.42 | Twiun | George-: you know what I meant :) |
| 14:09.45 | George- | Twiun: hehe |
| 14:09.52 | George- | Twiun: I'm not *that* stupid |
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| 14:09.57 | George- | Twiun: just moderately *ahem* |
| 14:10.00 | warmi | ah your funky school with its funky firewall filters |
| 14:10.03 | warmi | virtual prison |
| 14:10.03 | dougheckaa | pig meat |
| 14:10.03 | Twiun | George-: keep digging :) |
| 14:10.17 | Twiun | dougheckaa: now, now, stop harrasing George- |
| 14:11.09 | George- | warmi: yeh :) |
| 14:11.26 | George- | warmi: I'm gonna *try* to get them to open up port 22 on zorian.kicks-ass.org (my box here) |
| 14:11.32 | George- | warmi: I don't think I'll get anywhere |
| 14:11.53 | George- | warmi: "uhh, why do you want to ssh into your home box?" "cause.. er.. I want to scp some files across, and I don't like using telnet" |
| 14:11.54 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 14:12.08 | George- | when actually bitchx beckons :) |
| 14:12.26 | George- | and they can't monitor encrypted connections |
| 14:12.27 | George- | :) |
| 14:13.30 | dougheckaa | thats what you think |
| 14:13.45 | George- | dougheckaa: I know the intelligence of the techs |
| 14:13.51 | George- | dougheckaa: they're stupider than me |
| 14:13.56 | George- | dougheckaa: and that's saying _something_ |
| 14:13.58 | dougheckaa | wow |
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| 14:14.31 | ^slash | hmm |
| 14:14.49 | ^slash | it appears that if i dumped the files over the USB it would of corrupted the files ?? |
| 14:15.19 | George- | ^slash: s/of/have/ |
| 14:15.23 | George- | ^slash: and it shouldn't |
| 14:15.35 | ^slash | eh |
| 14:15.36 | dougheckaa | nope, it uses TCP/IP dont it? |
| 14:15.48 | dougheckaa | thats like, "error free" |
| 14:15.49 | ^slash | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=161 |
| 14:15.49 | dougheckaa | :P |
| 14:15.59 | George- | dougheckaa: my arse |
| 14:16.03 | ^slash | simply says use the USB your gonan fuck it up |
| 14:16.11 | warmi | George-> "I am George Wright, a coder that keeps to myself most of the time. " |
| 14:16.12 | George- | dougheckaa: for one thing, usbdnet is in no way error free :) |
| 14:16.17 | ^slash | use a card reader/writer |
| 14:16.18 | George- | warmi: a crappy coder :) |
| 14:16.20 | ^slash | fuck me |
| 14:16.22 | ^slash | gay |
| 14:16.25 | ^slash | haha |
| 14:16.28 | George- | warmi: that keeps to myself in real life |
| 14:16.34 | ^slash | how much do those babies cost ? |
| 14:16.43 | warmi | man ... that has to be the biggest lie ever .. and I am not talking about coder - rather about that part "keeping to myself" |
| 14:16.44 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:17.06 | George- | warmi: nah, seriously, I keep to myself in rl |
| 14:17.23 | George- | warmi: I only annoy those that have the audacity to walk into my room and annoy me ;) |
| 14:17.43 | George- | afk |
| 14:19.04 | ^slash | how strange |
| 14:19.08 | ^slash | you can dump to a console |
| 14:19.14 | ^slash | and play |
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| 14:24.48 | psiquest | is there anyway to remove some of the applications that came installed, i.e. jeode and quasar and hancomword, from the default install of qtopia? |
| 14:26.18 | George- | back |
| 14:26.24 | Twiun | psiquest: Some people have made custom ROMs that do this already, OpenZaurus being one of them |
| 14:26.29 | George- | warmi: seriously. I keep out of everybody's way in real life ;) |
| 14:26.45 | psiquest | Twiun, Can I flash the zaurus w/o a flash card? |
| 14:26.50 | psiquest | am broke right now :( |
| 14:27.01 | George- | psiquest: there was a sharp rom somewhere converted to jffs2 |
| 14:27.10 | psiquest | what is jffs2? |
| 14:27.13 | dougheckaa | jffs2? |
| 14:27.21 | yeiazel | !!! |
| 14:27.24 | ljp | ibot: jffs2 |
| 14:27.24 | | it has been said that jffs2 is at http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ or alien technology from that ufo crash in New Mexico in the 1940's |
| 14:27.37 | dougheckaa | oh? |
| 14:27.42 | Twiun | psiquest: I believe it's _possible_ to flash without a cf card by dumping an image straight to flash... that's a good way to brick the Zaurus if not careful |
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| 14:28.24 | fearly | hi guys |
| 14:28.42 | George- | Twiun: uhm |
| 14:28.47 | psiquest | MMM kay... how can I image the current rom as a backup incase I fuck up? |
| 14:28.53 | George- | Twiun: it might be possible, but highly unadvisable :) |
| 14:29.00 | fearly | What do you think is the best zaurus rom available ? |
| 14:29.06 | George- | fearly: fuck off |
| 14:29.08 | George- | :) |
| 14:29.12 | dougheckaa | 3.2 |
| 14:29.17 | George- | psiquest: if you fuck up, no backup will save you |
| 14:29.25 | George- | psiquest: your Z will be bricked. |
| 14:29.33 | psiquest | grrr... don't want that... |
| 14:29.38 | psiquest | how does one avoid bricking? |
| 14:29.40 | George- | fearly: obviously Debian |
| 14:29.48 | George- | psiquest: get a CF card and a CF reader |
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| 14:30.15 | George- | ivan: FOUND YOUR STYLUS?!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 14:30.51 | psiquest | mmm okay... is opie and oz different? and if so, which is better? |
| 14:31.01 | George- | psiquest: ...... |
| 14:31.15 | psiquest | am I annoying? |
| 14:31.16 | George- | psiquest: OPIE is the PALMTOP ENVIRONMENT.. OZ is the DISTRIBUTION |
| 14:31.16 | Twiun | psiquest: oz is a ROM, opie is an application |
| 14:31.19 | George- | :) |
| 14:31.23 | psiquest | oh |
| 14:31.33 | psiquest | forgive me for my ignorance |
| 14:31.34 | George- | psiquest: that question was like saying "is kde better than debian?" |
| 14:31.37 | Twiun | psiquest: it's one of those faqs :) |
| 14:31.47 | George- | Twiun: god knows why it's an FAQ |
| 14:32.03 | psiquest | I am a debian follower... to use anything else is sacrilage *duck* |
| 14:32.06 | Twiun | George-: because not everyone comes from a linux background? |
| 14:32.29 | yeiazel | psiquest: install debian on your Z |
| 14:32.31 | psiquest | been using debian for 3 years, and linux for 5 |
| 14:32.46 | psiquest | yeiazel, eh? debian.org? |
| 14:32.51 | George- | Twiun: is Microsoft Office better than Netscape Navigator? |
| 14:32.55 | George- | Twiun: same fucking thing :) |
| 14:33.08 | Twiun | George-: now, now |
| 14:33.27 | psiquest | is #zaurus better than #openembedded hahahaha |
| 14:33.36 | psiquest | are you going to tease me? |
| 14:33.37 | yeiazel | psiquest: YES IT IS |
| 14:33.42 | yeiazel | oops :) |
| 14:34.04 | George- | psiquest: well, I'm in #Zaurus but I'm not in #OpenEmbedded; go figure ;) |
| 14:34.15 | psiquest | it bothers me that I ask for help... I am an independant do it yourselfer |
| 14:34.16 | George- | (psst - that means that #Openembedded is better) |
| 14:34.19 | yeiazel | psiquest: just seem/heard that there's an ARM Debian version, for the Z. Never searched about that |
| 14:34.30 | George- | yeiazel: there is |
| 14:34.36 | yeiazel | yes |
| 14:34.42 | George- | yeiazel: matt zimmerman did the port |
| 14:34.46 | yeiazel | s/seem/seen/ :) |
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| 14:34.54 | George- | yeiazel: I did a bit of testing... it rocks.. sorta ;) |
| 14:34.59 | psiquest | I believe in the unix/linux motto... DO IT YOURSELF lol |
| 14:34.59 | yeiazel | I should try is |
| 14:35.02 | George- | yo nuhduhv |
| 14:35.05 | yeiazel | s/is/it/ |
| 14:35.10 | yeiazel | and I should sleep sometimes |
| 14:35.14 | George- | yeiazel: fucking learn how to type :P |
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| 14:35.20 | yeiazel | George-: yea :) |
| 14:35.52 | psiquest | yikes, I need to work! bye |
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| 14:38.45 | George- | ibot die |
| 14:38.45 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 14:38.50 | George- | I'm gonna miss abusing ibot ;( |
| 14:39.12 | George- | ibot die |
| 14:39.12 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 14:39.19 | George- | ibot momsex ibot |
| 14:39.20 | | ACTION has sex with ibot's mom |
| 14:39.23 | George- | ibot die |
| 14:39.23 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 14:39.41 | George- | ibot lart himself |
| 14:39.46 | George- | ibot die |
| 14:39.47 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 14:39.48 | George- | ibot lart himself |
| 14:39.52 | George- | ibot die |
| 14:39.52 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 14:39.55 | George- | mwahaha |
| 14:39.59 | George- | I love abusing ibot ;) |
| 14:41.32 | George- | should I take my Sega Genesis Nomad to school? |
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| 14:48.00 | George- | THANK FUCKING GOD!!!!!!!!!¬ |
| 14:48.10 | George- | My laptop is confirmed to arrive tomorrow |
| 14:48.16 | George- | Unfortunately I'm at fucking school |
| 14:49.09 | warmi | George: If I were you I would dump this laptop once and for all |
| 14:49.39 | warmi | get yourself something more dependable like a X86 based one or something along these lines |
| 14:49.40 | George- | warmi: I can't |
| 14:49.40 | warmi | :-) |
| 14:49.53 | George- | warmi: I spent $4600 on it, how the hell am I meant to "dump it" |
| 14:50.12 | George- | warmi: btw - that keeping to myself thing isn't a lie! :P |
| 14:50.37 | warmi | well, sure like hell you are not "keeping to yourself" on this channel |
| 14:50.58 | George- | warmi: hehehe |
| 14:51.25 | George- | warmi: well, the fact that I'm constantly on IRC is proof that I am keeping out of everyone's way in real life :) |
| 14:52.19 | pHluid | What kind of laptop is it? |
| 14:52.29 | George- | pHluid: Apple PowerBook G4 Titanium 667MHz |
| 14:52.33 | pHluid | ick. |
| 14:52.35 | dougheckaa | where did you get the cash? |
| 14:52.37 | George- | pHluid: the top of the line when I got it |
| 14:52.47 | George- | dougheckaa: guess. |
| 14:53.05 | warmi | dougheckaa: where do you think 14 year old can get cash from ? |
| 14:53.10 | warmi | :-) |
| 14:53.13 | pHluid | prostitution? |
| 14:53.28 | George- | warmi: hrmm, I was 13 when I got it |
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| 14:53.33 | George- | warmi: I'm 15 now |
| 14:53.34 | pHluid | ^^^ |
| 14:54.15 | George- | Got it in December 2001 |
| 14:54.22 | George- | and it's caused nothing but trouble :( |
| 14:54.51 | warmi | George-: your parents must be rich |
| 14:54.56 | George- | warmi: heh |
| 14:55.03 | George- | warmi: not *that* rich... |
| 14:55.10 | dougheckaa | I could barely get my Z |
| 14:55.24 | George- | warmi: I never wasted money on toys or much when I was young anyway :) |
| 14:55.43 | dougheckaa | and a broken one at that |
| 14:55.58 | warmi | well, of course I didn't - it was your parents who paid the for the toys |
| 14:56.17 | George- | warmi: ? |
| 14:56.39 | warmi | I didn't = you didn't |
| 14:57.20 | George- | warmi: I had very few toys |
| 15:00.53 | George- | woot |
| 15:00.56 | George- | superstition |
| 15:01.02 | George- | on the day I go back to school, my uptime is 13 days |
| 15:01.05 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.23 | ljp_work | wow, you must do alot of work there |
| 15:01.59 | warmi | George-: that's nothing .. I work on 13th floor |
| 15:02.09 | George- | warmi: heh |
| 15:02.13 | George- | ljp_work: ? |
| 15:02.38 | George- | warmi: anyway, as I was saying, I can't afford to just dump the laptop |
| 15:02.52 | treke | George-: sell it |
| 15:02.59 | George- | treke: I'd get nothing |
| 15:03.06 | George- | treke: even if it was in perfect cosmetic condition |
| 15:03.10 | ljp_work | oh ya? well I have 13 fingers |
| 15:03.15 | George- | ljp_work: haha |
| 15:03.22 | hardwire | MUUUTAAAATTTIIIOOOOOONNNNN!!! |
| 15:03.45 | George- | warmi: just about the only toy I had when I was younger was a Sega Genesis, which I still have :))) |
| 15:04.07 | George- | had it for about 10 years now |
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| 15:05.58 | treke | yup, probably did real well on that interview |
| 15:06.57 | warmi | ljp_work: interviewing for the job at Trolls ? |
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| 15:09.46 | ljp_work | warmi: last night |
| 15:09.58 | ljp_work | no, I had a function defined as 'book' |
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| 15:10.21 | ljp_work | actually, I think it went rather well |
| 15:10.25 | Zxcvb | is there any way to make divx video brighter on the zaurus without re-encoding? |
| 15:10.57 | Zxcvb | with xmms-embedded, I tried both -brightness=50 and -vop eq=50 |
| 15:11.14 | ljp_work | move your eyes closer |
| 15:11.36 | Zxcvb | are there any other brightness settings in xmms-e that I am forgetting? |
| 15:15.39 | dougheckaa | get bigger eyes |
| 15:17.21 | George- | ljp_work: what? you're gonna work for tt? |
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| 15:18.33 | ljp_work | georgie: dunno yet |
| 15:19.12 | dougheckaa | xmms-e -movezaurusclosertoeyes 8 |
| 15:19.48 | dougheckaa | ho kergoth |
| 15:19.53 | treke | mornin kergoth |
| 15:20.22 | dougheckaa | dont speak till you have ur coffee |
| 15:20.59 | George- | ljp_work: heh, if they have any sense they'll hire you :P |
| 15:21.05 | George- | yo kergoth |
| 15:21.22 | phoen][x | if i were kergoth, i would /nick kergoth`zzz again to avoid you pe0ns :) |
| 15:21.39 | George- | phoen][x: I SNEAK PAST TO BUN! |
| 15:21.50 | phoen][x | definitely |
| 15:22.11 | George- | a lot. |
| 15:22.15 | treke | too many |
| 15:22.27 | dougheckaa | whats it mean? |
| 15:22.28 | George- | I'm gonna pack my nomad |
| 15:22.35 | treke | it menas George- is a moron |
| 15:22.40 | dougheckaa | k |
| 15:22.47 | George- | treke: nah, I don't state the obvious :) |
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| 15:25.19 | George- | ack |
| 15:25.20 | George- | bitch |
| 15:25.27 | George- | case won't fit nomad + psu + games |
| 15:25.28 | George- | grrr |
| 15:29.48 | warmi | what is the difference between lgpl and gpl ? |
| 15:30.07 | dougheckaa | the l |
| 15:30.10 | George- | warmi: lgpl is not viral |
| 15:30.12 | George- | warmi: gpl is |
| 15:30.37 | dougheckaa | George-: you packin the Z? |
| 15:30.55 | George- | dougheckaa: nah, that goes in my pocket |
| 15:30.59 | George- | dougheckaa: I don't pack the Z |
| 15:30.59 | George- | :) |
| 15:31.03 | dougheckaa | ooh |
| 15:31.38 | George- | dougheckaa: I packed my Genesis Nomad |
| 15:32.00 | dougheckaa | thats an mp3 player? |
| 15:32.07 | George- | ... |
| 15:32.11 | George- | It's a portable sega genesis |
| 15:32.12 | dougheckaa | :P |
| 15:32.33 | George- | my Z is my MP3 player |
| 15:32.37 | George- | currently has 49 songs on it |
| 15:32.47 | dougheckaa | oooh, wow |
| 15:32.48 | dougheckaa | :P |
| 15:32.56 | pHluid | Does the 5600 have a stereo headphone jack? |
| 15:32.58 | George- | most of them are 160-192Kbps |
| 15:33.07 | George- | pHluid: I'd be surprised if it didn't |
| 15:33.07 | ljp_work | my Z is my mp5 player |
| 15:33.24 | George- | ljp_work: oh yeh? I have an mp3.14159265358979 player! |
| 15:33.25 | dougheckaa | OGG PLAYER YOU CLODS! |
| 15:33.43 | ChipX86 | mpi? :) |
| 15:33.53 | George- | mean point of interception? |
| 15:33.53 | ljp_work | ogg, mp3, same thing |
| 15:34.04 | George- | ljp_work: now you're _asking_ for a thrashing by saying htat :) |
| 15:34.11 | ljp_work | bah |
| 15:34.11 | ChipX86 | bad joke referring to the mp3.14159 |
| 15:34.26 | George- | ChipX86: heh |
| 15:34.36 | George- | ChipX86: I know MPI as "mean point of interception" |
| 15:34.38 | George- | heh |
| 15:35.26 | George- | afk |
| 15:35.40 | pHluid | That's because you don't have friends. |
| 15:36.43 | dougheckaa | hmm |
| 15:36.48 | dougheckaa | anyone have Arial CE font? |
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| 15:42.38 | dougheckaa | LUNAR?!?! |
| 15:44.08 | phoen][x | LUNAR!?!? IT SNEAKS PAST TO BUN. |
| 15:44.31 | dougheckaa | NOOOOO!!?!?! |
| 15:44.53 | nerdboy | hanging shift key? |
| 15:44.53 | phoen][x | http://www.lunar-linux.org/ |
| 15:45.09 | George- | back |
| 15:45.21 | George- | pHluid: bleh |
| 15:45.30 | George- | pHluid: I have friends *huggles zaurus* |
| 15:47.46 | *** join/#zaurus darienm (~darien@205.243.147.8) |
| 15:48.24 | George- | whoa |
| 15:48.32 | George- | codeweavers crossover office now runs photoshop |
| 15:49.51 | Zxcvb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.02 | George- | Zxcvb: read slashdot |
| 15:50.05 | George- | Zxcvb: :) |
| 15:50.07 | George- | Zxcvb: top story |
| 15:50.24 | dougheckaa | woo |
| 15:50.25 | Zxcvb | could that mean a winelib port of photoshop for linux? |
| 15:50.32 | George- | Zxcvb: no idea |
| 15:50.32 | dougheckaa | how about illustrator?!?!? |
| 15:50.37 | George- | Zxcvb: winelib sucks anyway :) |
| 15:50.43 | MacGyver | coreldraw........ |
| 15:50.49 | George- | MacGyver: heh |
| 15:50.54 | MacGyver | :D |
| 15:50.56 | treke | Zxcvb: no |
| 15:50.59 | George- | MacGyver: I had corel photopaint for linux |
| 15:51.05 | George- | it totally _sucked_ |
| 15:51.05 | MacGyver | office xp |
| 15:51.09 | George- | and Word Perfect Office 2000 for LInux |
| 15:51.12 | Zxcvb | George-: that wasn't winelib |
| 15:51.12 | George- | s/LInux/Linux/ |
| 15:51.16 | warmi | hehe ... so much trouble while one can simply boot into windows and have the best possible "winelib" available |
| 15:51.19 | Zxcvb | George-: that was under the binary emulation |
| 15:51.24 | George- | Zxcvb: what was? |
| 15:51.29 | dougheckaa | http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/the_hulk/international/large.html |
| 15:51.30 | treke | Wordperfect was |
| 15:51.49 | George- | WPO2000 was definitely wine |
| 15:51.59 | George- | and so was Photopain |
| 15:51.59 | Zxcvb | George-: corel stuff |
| 15:52.00 | George- | t |
| 15:52.01 | George- | bleh |
| 15:52.03 | George- | PhotoPaint |
| 15:52.12 | Zxcvb | George-: winelib should be much faster |
| 15:52.26 | George- | ya think so? |
| 15:52.37 | treke | probably not that much faster |
| 15:52.40 | treke | dunno |
| 15:55.00 | George- | is suicide worth it? |
| 15:55.04 | Zxcvb | is anyone here using the new qtopia gnuboy with hardware key support? |
| 15:55.20 | George- | dougheckaa: hrmm |
| 15:55.32 | George- | I should be doing full bore rifle shooting this term :D |
| 15:55.42 | George- | Let's hope I don't totally suck at it :) |
| 15:56.02 | George- | holy shit |
| 15:56.12 | George- | I have daniel bedingfield pumping out the BUZZER |
| 15:56.18 | dougheckaa | I cant shoot very well too |
| 15:56.26 | dougheckaa | err |
| 15:56.29 | dougheckaa | I CAN even |
| 15:56.38 | George- | dougheckaa: I shoot in the school team for small bore |
| 15:56.43 | George- | dougheckaa: haven't done full bore yet though |
| 15:56.45 | warmi | Zxcvb: you are having issues with it ? |
| 15:57.43 | Zxcvb | warmi: other than dragon warrior 3 is a little slow, nope |
| 15:57.52 | Zxcvb | warmi: zelda color works nicely |
| 15:58.06 | dougheckaa | George- is in a military school? |
| 15:58.11 | dougheckaa | hahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahah |
| 15:58.13 | George- | dougheckaa: errr |
| 15:58.19 | Wintre | Nahh |
| 15:58.20 | dougheckaa | er. |
| 15:58.20 | George- | dougheckaa: no I'm not you imbecile |
| 15:58.22 | dougheckaa | cool. |
| 15:58.27 | dougheckaa | oh |
| 15:58.28 | ljp_work | yes you are |
| 15:58.35 | nerdboy | leave george alone |
| 15:58.47 | ljp_work | no. he's fun |
| 15:58.50 | George- | dougheckaa: I'm at a private school |
| 15:58.53 | George- | dougheckaa: fool |
| 15:58.54 | dougheckaa | nerdboy: hmm, so where do YOU go to schoool? |
| 15:58.55 | warmi | Zxcvb: you are using it with OZ ? |
| 15:58.57 | nerdboy | my old coworker is on the AF shooting team |
| 15:59.02 | ljp_work | private military school |
| 15:59.05 | nerdboy | he's making the olympics |
| 15:59.05 | dougheckaa | George-: I am homskooled :P |
| 15:59.06 | George- | ljp_work: bah, shut up :) |
| 15:59.10 | Zxcvb | warmi: yeah |
| 15:59.14 | Zxcvb | warmi: 64-0 |
| 15:59.22 | George- | dougheckaa: ahh, that'd explain your intelligence (or lack of) |
| 15:59.25 | nerdboy | i went o california public shools |
| 15:59.33 | chouimat | George-: that explain it |
| 15:59.35 | nerdboy | when they were still good :) |
| 15:59.37 | dougheckaa | George-: no lack |
| 15:59.44 | Zxcvb | warmi: dragon warrior 3 is a 4MB gameboy rom though |
| 16:00.01 | warmi | Zxcvb: I hear that the sound driver works much better on OZ .. and consequently gnuboy sound emulation is much better under OZ than it is under standard Sharp ROM |
| 16:00.11 | nerdboy | George-: ever shoot skeet? |
| 16:00.23 | Zxcvb | warmi: I heard the issues with gnuboy sound were because sharp didn't have a complete OSS implementation |
| 16:00.34 | dougheckaa | nerdboy: they dont taste very good |
| 16:00.38 | dougheckaa | very tough |
| 16:00.42 | nerdboy | kind dry too |
| 16:00.49 | nerdboy | need lots of marinade |
| 16:00.57 | dougheckaa | yea |
| 16:01.04 | warmi | Zxcvb: yeah, cause the sound works pretty well on my desktop - and since the Zaurus is just another Linux it should work the same ther e.. but it didn't |
| 16:01.10 | dougheckaa | you soak it for a while too, gets it softer |
| 16:01.20 | George- | nerdboy: ? |
| 16:01.31 | Zxcvb | warmi: i don't use the sound though |
| 16:01.34 | dougheckaa | nerdboy: YOU DONT KNOW WHAT SKEET IS?!?!! |
| 16:01.49 | George- | wtf is a skeet? |
| 16:01.50 | Zxcvb | warmi: do you know of a media player for OZ that lets you adjust the brightness in the player? |
| 16:01.58 | dougheckaa | George-: a small bird |
| 16:02.03 | dougheckaa | that people hunt |
| 16:02.07 | Zxcvb | I have some divx files that play too dark on the zaurus, but play fine on the desktop |
| 16:02.09 | dougheckaa | its flat, and round |
| 16:02.13 | George- | I do target shooting |
| 16:02.14 | nerdboy | it's a clay bird :) |
| 16:02.15 | George- | not hunting :P |
| 16:02.16 | warmi | Zxcvb: sorry, I don't |
| 16:02.18 | dougheckaa | and shatters when you shoot it |
| 16:02.19 | George- | just like I do target archery |
| 16:02.48 | nerdboy | used to do it all the time |
| 16:03.32 | nerdboy | George-: if you get to see any olympic shooting next time, watch for Capt. Micheal Herman |
| 16:03.52 | nerdboy | George-: he's the AF shooting team dude |
| 16:03.58 | nerdboy | very good |
| 16:04.10 | George- | woot |
| 16:04.22 | George- | our captain of shooting at my school is third best in the country |
| 16:04.23 | George- | lol |
| 16:04.24 | ljp_work | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=816&e=7&cid=816&u=/ap/20030421/ap_on_re_us/dog_assaulted |
| 16:05.56 | nerdboy | http://www.usashooting.com/usaShooting.cfm |
| 16:06.22 | nerdboy | http://www.usashooting.com/bios/biosearch3.cfm? |
| 16:06.26 | nerdboy | that's him |
| 16:06.45 | nerdboy | he's good-ol redneck |
| 16:06.49 | dougheckaa | ugly |
| 16:06.50 | nerdboy | but a good guy |
| 16:07.07 | nerdboy | bad picture |
| 16:07.11 | dougheckaa | but then, I dint look at the photo |
| 16:07.17 | Zxcvb | hopefully the x11 and matchbox packages will be uploaded soon |
| 16:07.50 | kergoth | my main build box is down atm, getting a dev env and buildroots setup on another box atm |
| 16:08.11 | dougheckaa | YAY! ITS KERGOTH! |
| 16:09.01 | dougheckaa | whered kergoth go? |
| 16:09.15 | chouimat | kergoth: ouuch |
| 16:11.15 | George- | kergoth: hahahahahahahahahaah |
| 16:11.56 | George- | death to all those that oppose the ways of the annoyin |
| 16:11.59 | George- | death to all those that oppose the ways of the annoying |
| 16:12.45 | warmi | anyone from UK familiar with a name George Galloway ? |
| 16:13.37 | dougheckaa | anyone from UK familiar with a name George Wright? |
| 16:13.57 | George- | ... |
| 16:13.59 | George- | warmi: nawp |
| 16:14.01 | dougheckaa | *** on channels: #openzaurus #eTux #psilinux #KDE #kde-edu #kde-devel #intimate #opie #gentoo-ppc #mklinux #xwin #handhelds.org #freeciv #zaurus |
| 16:14.07 | dougheckaa | sheesh |
| 16:14.16 | dougheckaa | kde-devel? |
| 16:15.56 | George- | dougheckaa: and? |
| 16:15.57 | *** join/#zaurus oGMo (~rpav@216.190.2.178) |
| 16:23.59 | Twiun | ~lart George- |
| 16:24.25 | George- | Twiun: wtf have I done now? |
| 16:24.46 | Twiun | George-: just making sure you're paying attention |
| 16:24.51 | George- | Twiun: bastard |
| 16:25.21 | *** join/#zaurus Shayde (~shevett@patriot.intuit.com) |
| 16:25.35 | warmi | is Daily Telegraph a respectable paper or is it a tabloid ? |
| 16:25.44 | Twiun | warmi: depends who you speak to |
| 16:26.14 | Twiun | warmi: it's certainly not as bad as The Sun or the Daily Mirror though |
| 16:26.32 | warmi | is it in the same league as say Chicago Tribuen and NYT ? |
| 16:26.35 | kergoth | ~lart George- |
| 16:26.42 | George- | ... |
| 16:26.43 | George- | STOP IT! |
| 16:26.52 | Twiun | warmi: that I couldn't tell you, don't know any US papers |
| 16:26.52 | chouimat | ~lart Ge |
| 16:26.56 | dougheckaa | ~lart kergoth |
| 16:26.59 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 16:27.01 | warmi | Twiun: ah ok :-) |
| 16:27.05 | warmi | Twiun: thanks |
| 16:27.30 | dougheckaa | http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/ |
| 16:27.33 | George- | warmi: the daily telegraph is respectable |
| 16:27.45 | dougheckaa | news.google.com is the best!!!! |
| 16:27.46 | George- | warmi: it's not trash like the Sun, as Twiun said :) |
| 16:28.08 | warmi | ok, thanks |
| 16:29.51 | George- | should I leave my IRC and apache server online? |
| 16:29.57 | George- | whilst I'm at school? |
| 16:29.57 | dougheckaa | YES! |
| 16:30.07 | George- | dougheckaa: why? |
| 16:30.08 | dougheckaa | warmi: you have a password for George-'s irc server? |
| 16:30.18 | George- | uhh |
| 16:30.24 | George- | my IRC server isn't passwd protected |
| 16:30.29 | dougheckaa | oh?!?! |
| 16:30.35 | dougheckaa | whats ur irc serveR? |
| 16:30.42 | George- | zorian.kicks-ass.org |
| 16:30.58 | warmi | it is probably "changeme" |
| 16:31.03 | warmi | the default one |
| 16:31.05 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:31.12 | ljp_work | nope, it's rootme |
| 16:31.14 | George- | warmi: hahaha |
| 16:31.22 | *** join/#zaurus dougheckaa (WOZNIAK@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 16:31.46 | dougheckaa | huh |
| 16:31.48 | dougheckaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.10 | George- | <-- dougheckaa has quit (Killed (George- (stupid fool))) |
| 16:32.11 | George- | :) |
| 16:32.18 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 16:32.52 | George- | perhaps I should kline dough :P |
| 16:32.56 | ljp_work | 572 |
| 16:33.02 | ljp_work | whoops |
| 16:33.17 | dougheckaa | *** Inviting George- to channel #pork. |
| 16:33.47 | George- | -Zorian.ath.cx- Added K-Line [*@*.lou.bluegrass.net] to var/lib/dancer-ircd/kline.conf |
| 16:33.48 | George- | oooooh |
| 16:33.49 | dougheckaa | [12:33] *** Closing Link: dougheckaa (K-lined)!! |
| 16:33.50 | dougheckaa | WOOAHAHH! |
| 16:33.56 | dougheckaa | woo |
| 16:34.47 | dougheckaa | I got Klined on openprojects once |
| 16:35.19 | George- | dougheckaa: dood, it looks like I can't unkline you :) |
| 16:35.25 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 16:35.26 | George- | dougheckaa: the server is refusing to unkline you |
| 16:35.27 | George- | hahahahaha |
| 16:35.31 | dougheckaa | hrm |
| 16:35.36 | George- | -Zorian.ath.cx- Cannot open var/lib/dancer-ircd/kline.conf |
| 16:35.39 | George- | HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA |
| 16:35.41 | dougheckaa | maybe I should fix that bug I put into the server when I wrote it |
| 16:37.00 | dougheckaa | how many users are on ur server? |
| 16:37.01 | dougheckaa | 1? |
| 16:37.02 | dougheckaa | :P |
| 16:37.08 | George- | 1 |
| 16:37.10 | George- | of course |
| 16:37.11 | George- | :P |
| 16:37.21 | George- | --- There are 1 victims and 0 hiding on 1 servers |
| 16:37.21 | George- | --- 1 :flagged staff members |
| 16:37.21 | George- | --- 1 :channels formed |
| 16:37.21 | George- | --- I have 1 clients and 0 servers |
| 16:37.21 | George- | --- Current local users: 1 Max: 4 |
| 16:37.21 | George- | --- Current global users: 1 Max: 4 |
| 16:37.23 | George- | --- Highest connection count: 4 (4 clients) (59 since server was (re)started) |
| 16:37.25 | George- | woops |
| 16:37.32 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 16:37.42 | dougheckaa | oooh, 4 people |
| 16:37.53 | Shayde | how STUDLY! your own IRC server! |
| 16:38.04 | ljp_work | they are all george logged in as root |
| 16:38.11 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:38.17 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 16:38.57 | *** join/#zaurus loopZz (~none@mailgate.absolutestudios.net) |
| 16:38.59 | loopZz | hi |
| 16:39.06 | dougheckaa | DIE!!! |
| 16:39.07 | dougheckaa | er. |
| 16:39.07 | dougheckaa | hi |
| 16:39.23 | George- | dougheckaa: stop fucking re-enacting scenes from bash.org |
| 16:39.31 | dougheckaa | :P |
| 16:39.38 | loopZz | what libs would i use to do realtime sound on the zaurus, ie mixing multiple saources to an output buffer every tick? SDL? |
| 16:39.49 | kergoth | George-: HEY! |
| 16:39.53 | kergoth | George-: thats my line |
| 16:39.53 | George- | kergoth: :D |
| 16:39.59 | George- | kergoth: I know :P |
| 16:40.25 | dougheckaa | ~lart Shayde |
| 16:40.31 | George- | mwahahha |
| 16:40.38 | dougheckaa | ha |
| 16:40.43 | Shayde | hm. this is getting old. |
| 16:41.12 | George- | dougheckaa: you're unklined |
| 16:41.18 | dougheckaa | uh huh |
| 16:41.22 | George- | dougheckaa: but if you do anything more, that's permanent kline :) |
| 16:41.37 | Shayde | eegads. yo'ure klining someone on a server you run, that you're the only one logged in on? |
| 16:41.45 | George- | Shayde: obviously |
| 16:42.28 | dougheckaa | yea, see? |
| 16:42.43 | Shayde | hey, whatever raises your flagpole, man. |
| 16:43.04 | dougheckaa | what ever feeds ur farts |
| 16:43.12 | George- | -Zorian.ath.cx- Added K-Line [*@*.lou.bluegrass.net] to var/lib/dancer-ircd/kline.conf |
| 16:43.14 | George- | hah |
| 16:43.18 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 16:43.20 | kergoth | oi |
| 16:43.29 | George- | anyway, I got work to do |
| 16:43.30 | George- | kergoth: yes |
| 16:43.31 | dougheckaa | thats a jokr |
| 16:43.32 | George- | kergoth: ? |
| 16:43.44 | *** part/#zaurus kergoth (~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 16:43.47 | *** join/#zaurus Zxcvb_ (~msmustdie@ilchtn16.one-eleven.net) |
| 16:44.56 | George- | bleh? |
| 16:46.14 | loopZz | anyone? |
| 16:46.50 | *** join/#zaurus carsten (~niehaus@Pinguin.cip.biologie.uni-osnabrueck.de) |
| 16:47.12 | chouimat | George-: when do you leave, for how long and where? |
| 16:48.02 | warmi | chouimat: I think G.W mentioned something about 3 months |
| 16:49.26 | *** join/#zaurus bonerz (~stevo@131.156.183.78) |
| 16:49.57 | George- | chouimat: in a couple of hours, for school, for 3 months |
| 16:50.05 | George- | chouimat: I'll be online on sundays though just to annoy you :P |
| 16:50.45 | chouimat | George-: we will miss you so .... |
| 16:51.25 | George- | chouimat: I won't |
| 16:51.39 | George- | anyway, I'm as good as gone now |
| 16:52.02 | chouimat | George-: we know that you will miss uss |
| 16:53.14 | *** part/#zaurus carsten (~niehaus@Pinguin.cip.biologie.uni-osnabrueck.de) |
| 16:55.16 | treke | whoohoo! |
| 16:59.34 | George`School | treke: don't party _yet_ |
| 16:59.40 | George`School | now you can |
| 16:59.42 | George`School | I'm off |
| 16:59.54 | chouimat | woooooooooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooo |
| 17:00.07 | ljp_work | see ya george |
| 17:07.56 | oGMo | hehe |
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| 17:10.08 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:12.02 | nerdboy | ale, porter, stout |
| 17:13.40 | zoid | anyone know how to see how much ram is installed on a netbsd system? |
| 17:13.50 | zoid | (like free in linux) |
| 17:14.10 | chouimat | zoid: www.netbsd.org |
| 17:14.41 | zoid | i was hoping for a quick answer, but i guess i'll search around :) |
| 17:20.03 | nerdboy | Billy Pilgrim |
| 17:20.05 | nerdboy | :) |
| 17:20.17 | nerdboy | the big white cadillac... |
| 17:20.34 | nerdboy | "I'm coming Billy!" |
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| 17:22.14 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o Neo|Work] by ChanServ |
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| 17:22.59 | Zxcvb__ | how much power do microdrives consume? |
| 17:23.04 | Zxcvb__ | is it comparable to a wifi card? |
| 17:25.24 | nerdboy | short attention span... |
| 17:25.44 | *** join/#zaurus mark (~mark@s.westcott.freeuk.com) |
| 17:26.27 | Twiun | anyone with OZ+Jeode installed? |
| 17:26.30 | Twiun | hey mark |
| 17:27.30 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 17:27.54 | Twiun | hey Neo|Work |
| 17:28.18 | Neo|Work | sorry, no jeode here |
| 17:28.25 | Neo|Work | to be exact, I have only PocketPc at the moment |
| 17:28.34 | mark | hi Twiun |
| 17:28.39 | mark | Twiun: procrastinating again :) |
| 17:29.20 | Twiun | Neo|Work: lol, I'm not too sure PocketPC would be too happy with an ipk or my native lib :) |
| 17:29.27 | Twiun | mark: tsk, tsk, tsk |
| 17:30.48 | Neo|Work | Twiun: someone I believe you're correct |
| 17:31.02 | mark | Twiun: i wanna laptop |
| 17:31.05 | Neo|Work | btw yesterday I realized that the builtin file browser in PocketPc is kind of lame |
| 17:31.12 | Neo|Work | it filters out, say, DLL'S! |
| 17:31.16 | Neo|Work | with no option not to |
| 17:31.27 | mark | Twiun: i've spent hours looking at websites instead of my hw |
| 17:31.30 | Neo|Work | good thing my PocketPc has a command prompt and 'del' :) |
| 17:32.04 | Twiun | Neo|Work: how did you manage that then? |
| 17:32.13 | Neo|Work | thursday - can't wait for thursday! That's when all the parts for my new computer arrives. :) |
| 17:32.14 | Twiun | mark: hahaha |
| 17:32.19 | Neo|Work | Twiun: manage what? |
| 17:32.25 | Neo|Work | delete dlls? |
| 17:32.38 | Twiun | Neo|Work: command prompt... I thought that had been abolished on wince pdas |
| 17:32.49 | mark | Twiun: dell inspiron 8200 looks nice, and i think if i sell all my kit i may be able ot afford one |
| 17:33.56 | Twiun | mark: even if I sold all my kit I wouldn't buy new hw just now |
| 17:34.34 | mark | Twiun: its second hand |
| 17:34.44 | mark | but you didn't mean that :) |
| 17:35.01 | Twiun | mark: I did :) I'm completely broke |
| 17:35.34 | *** join/#zaurus Zxcvb (~msmustdie@ilchtn52.one-eleven.net) |
| 17:35.35 | Twiun | ok, how about someone with an original sharp rom? anyone? |
| 17:35.45 | Zxcvb | anyone here using a microtech (IBM) 1GB microdrive? |
| 17:35.46 | mark | Twiun: i've got no jeode on OZ i dont think |
| 17:36.01 | Twiun | mark: bah, go get it installed :) |
| 17:36.14 | mark | Twiun: know iptables? |
| 17:36.24 | Twiun | mark: a little |
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| 17:36.39 | mark | Twiun: if you tell me how to forward a port to ssh on my PDA, you can do what you want |
| 17:36.53 | Twiun | mark: hahahahahaha |
| 17:37.11 | ivan | why doesn't sharp use opie instead of qtopia? |
| 17:37.14 | mark | Twiun: whats so funny about that? :) |
| 17:37.40 | Twiun | mark: I've been trying to get my Z browsing the web on and off for a few months... |
| 17:37.55 | mark | Twiun: your Z doesn't need to be on the web, mine does, and is :) |
| 17:37.58 | treke | ivan: becase sharp doesnt want to have to deal with the licensing issues |
| 17:38.20 | Twiun | mark: yeah, but if I can't such a simple thing with *my* iptables... |
| 17:38.26 | mark | Twiun: :P |
| 17:38.58 | ivan | treke: opie has a viral license? |
| 17:39.04 | treke | opie is gpl |
| 17:39.11 | ivan | hahaha, gpl |
| 17:39.30 | Neo|Work | Twiun: I just installed one |
| 17:39.48 | Neo|Work | http://www.symbolictools.de/public/pocketconsole/applications/nettools/ |
| 17:39.56 | ivan | why don't they just sponsor openzaurus development then? |
| 17:40.04 | Neo|Work | well, that link was to the nettools but the command prompt was there too |
| 17:40.05 | treke | ivan: licensing issues |
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| 17:41.17 | Twiun | Neo|Work: ahhh |
| 17:41.52 | Duke_ | what is zaurus? |
| 17:41.52 | Neo|Work | the PocketConsole driver actually also makes it so that printf's are shown on the screen too |
| 17:41.56 | Neo|Work | in a fscked up way but. :) |
| 17:42.02 | mark | Twiun: ah well, bad luck :P |
| 17:42.05 | Neo|Work | Duke_: Linux / Qtopia based PDA's |
| 17:42.18 | Duke_ | scary |
| 17:42.36 | Twiun | mark: I still find it surprising that there's no-one on atm with the original Sharp ROM still installed :) |
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| 17:43.33 | Neo|Work | mark: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -i ETHDEVICE --dport 22 -j DNAT --to ZAURUSIP:22 |
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| 17:44.21 | mark | Neo|Work: that forwards connections on my server ot port 22? |
| 17:44.49 | Neo|Work | if run on the server it forwards connections to port 22 on ETHDEVICE (i.e eth0, eth1 whatever) to ZAURUSIP:22, yes |
| 17:45.07 | Neo|Work | I suppose you need, if you don't have it, nat setup too |
| 17:45.52 | Neo|Work | enable masq: iptables -A POSTROUTING -s NETWORK/MASK -o ETHDEV -j MASQUERADE |
| 17:46.11 | mark | Neo|Work: yeh, i've got that already |
| 17:46.58 | mark | Neo|Work: ok, he's in. thanks for the hlp |
| 17:48.06 | mark | Neo|Work: quite cool actually. |
| 17:48.11 | Neo|Work | so anyone knows.. procmail? |
| 17:48.34 | Neo|Work | scenario: I have this rule: :0fw: spamassassin.lock |
| 17:48.35 | Neo|Work | | /usr/bin/spamassassin |
| 17:48.46 | Neo|Work | I also want to forward filtered email to another address - how do I do that? |
| 17:49.08 | Neo|Work | alternatively, what is a good resource in learning procmail? |
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| 17:51.47 | Zxcvb | IBM microdrives work ok in the 5500, right? |
| 17:51.52 | mark | Zxcvb: should do |
| 17:52.04 | Zxcvb | so the Z supports CF type II? |
| 17:52.14 | mark | afaik |
| 17:52.24 | Zxcvb | what about heat? |
| 17:52.32 | Neo|Work | nice and cozy |
| 17:52.43 | Zxcvb | Neo|Work: you use a microdrive? |
| 17:53.23 | Neo|Work | Zxcvb: no, but I've heard people using it - they claimed it got quite hot |
| 17:53.40 | Neo|Work | but I don't know from personal experience |
| 17:54.32 | George`School | I'M BACK |
| 17:54.52 | Neo|Work | oh shit |
| 17:55.15 | mark | ah crap |
| 17:55.15 | Twiun | Neo|Work: it's ok, I'm sure it's only temporary |
| 17:55.26 | George`School | ok, I'm off again |
| 17:55.26 | Twiun | mark: what's up? |
| 17:55.30 | mark | Twiun: George`School is back :P |
| 17:55.45 | mark | Twiun: that and i've got 3 homeworks to do tonight |
| 17:55.45 | Twiun | mark: oh, THAT? |
| 17:55.55 | Twiun | mark: all-nighter? |
| 17:56.00 | mark | Twiun: probably |
| 17:56.05 | mark | i shoulda done these over the hols |
| 17:56.14 | Neo|Work | hah |
| 17:56.49 | Twiun | mark: btw, you do have jeode installed :) |
| 17:57.00 | Twiun | mark: so I'll remove my tarball |
| 17:57.23 | mark | do I? oh, news to me |
| 17:57.24 | mark | heh |
| 17:59.36 | mark | hi TimRiker |
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| 17:59.46 | Twiun | hey tim |
| 18:00.14 | mark | heh |
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| 18:01.19 | Twiun | oh, I've got the ipk on your sd card already... it's just taking ages for ipkg to install it |
| 18:01.31 | mark | heh |
| 18:01.41 | Twiun | I know why |
| 18:02.06 | Twiun | not enough space on mtdblock4 |
| 18:02.22 | mark | hehe |
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| 18:02.57 | mark | Twiun: move my monkey.* stuff off / to sd |
| 18:03.01 | Zxcvb | Neo|Work: according to sharp, the 1GB microdrive is fine |
| 18:03.10 | Zxcvb | Neo|Work: the 340MB one will destroy the zaurus due to heat |
| 18:03.28 | Twiun | mark: ok |
| 18:04.43 | Shayde | stageone looks pretty durned good, but i'm not plunking down bux until i try it. |
| 18:04.50 | mark | Shayde: try repton |
| 18:05.18 | Neo|Work | Shayde: of course, shop for games and you have some nice demos. :P |
| 18:05.19 | mark | </shamless plug> |
| 18:05.24 | Shayde | heh. |
| 18:05.34 | mark | Shayde: game too |
| 18:05.35 | mark | :P |
| 18:05.44 | Shayde | yah, i found it on zsi2, looking now. |
| 18:06.07 | Neo|Work | <sp>eongames.com</sp> |
| 18:06.29 | Shayde | crikey... 985k?? |
| 18:06.49 | Shayde | yah, i need a bunch of eongames too. |
| 18:07.09 | Shayde | what i -really- need is a functional Palm emulator... i've got like 2dozen games reigstered on the palm that i'd really like on the z. :( |
| 18:07.16 | mark | Shayde: yeh, same size as pocket PC one |
| 18:07.38 | mark | Neo|Work: what do you do to emulate the win32 resource stuff? |
| 18:07.47 | fliplap | i'd kill for an avantgo clone |
| 18:07.59 | mark | yeh, i'd like that. |
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| 18:08.03 | fliplap | thats the #1 reason i don't use my Z as much as i used my Palm |
| 18:08.17 | mark | does the sync software allow for plugins? |
| 18:08.18 | Shayde | my biggie is ShadowPlan. |
| 18:08.27 | Shayde | htough stageone seems to be getting close. |
| 18:08.32 | fliplap | there's no easy way to save/open webpages/news offline |
| 18:08.45 | mark | fliplap: zepo does for me |
| 18:09.10 | pHluid | Christ |
| 18:09.16 | fliplap | avantgo was free tho |
| 18:09.23 | pHluid | I need to get into the medical imaging repair business |
| 18:09.29 | Shayde | i thought avantgo went out of businss? |
| 18:09.31 | mark | fliplap: true |
| 18:09.34 | fliplap | nope |
| 18:09.37 | Neo|Work | mark: resource stuff? I rip it all out |
| 18:09.40 | Zxcvb | Shayde: rewrite the CPU emulation core |
| 18:09.46 | pHluid | $500 to show up... $615 for 1 hours labor... $430 for a little electric motor |
| 18:09.48 | mark | Neo|Work: and just load the files? |
| 18:09.51 | Zxcvb | Shayde: go with an ARM->ARM JIT while you are at it |
| 18:09.59 | Shayde | heh. yeah, i know. :) |
| 18:10.01 | George`School | BACK AGAIN! |
| 18:10.01 | George`School | :) |
| 18:10.32 | Neo|Work | mark: I've had very few to deal with, mostly strings |
| 18:10.39 | Neo|Work | and dialogs which I had to convert anyway |
| 18:10.41 | mark | Neo|Work: i had images |
| 18:11.15 | Zxcvb | Shayde: an ARM->ARM JIT could in theory run software faster than native |
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| 18:18.30 | Zxcvb | any 1GB microdrive users here? |
| 18:18.38 | TheExile | how do i love my Z. sitting in class, wireless to mu linux box at home, sitting on irc |
| 18:18.46 | Shayde | Zxcvb: i used one for about 3 weeks. |
| 18:18.54 | Zxcvb | Shayde: what was wrong with it? |
| 18:19.00 | Neo|Work | TheExile: damn, you live at school or something? :) |
| 18:19.00 | Shayde | then the guy i borrowed it from wanted ti back :) |
| 18:19.01 | Zxcvb | Shayde: and was it the 1GB version? |
| 18:19.03 | Shayde | i had mp3's on it. |
| 18:19.08 | Shayde | *thinks* |
| 18:19.09 | Zxcvb | Shayde: how was the heat? |
| 18:19.20 | Shayde | i can't remember, sorry (if it was 1gig or 300meg) |
| 18:19.23 | Shayde | fine. no problems. |
| 18:19.34 | Neo|Work | Zxcvb: can I ask you thig - why do you want a microdrive rather than flash? |
| 18:19.34 | Zxcvb | Shayde: sharp says the 1GB is fine, but the 340MB will destroy the Z due to heat issues |
| 18:19.37 | TheExile | neo nope, just ssh'd into my home machine in Z konsole |
| 18:19.45 | Zxcvb | Neo|Work: do you know how much 1GB flash is? |
| 18:19.56 | Neo|Work | TheExile: as so not wireless from your pda to your home but via something else |
| 18:20.10 | Shayde | funky, i ddin't notice heavy heat problems. |
| 18:20.15 | TheExile | i use 512 flash very happy |
| 18:20.28 | TheExile | neo yeah the school is blanketed in wifi |
| 18:20.36 | mark | TheExile: lucky |
| 18:20.46 | Shayde | Zxcvb: i'm asking the guy now via IM how big the drive was. |
| 18:20.55 | Shayde | he says 340meg. i used it off and on for a couple weeks, didn't notice heat problem.s |
| 18:20.57 | Zxcvb | Shayde: probably was the 1GB |
| 18:21.11 | Neo|Work | Zxcvb: $250 ? |
| 18:21.16 | TheExile | if only i can get my z to connect to the airports at work i cqn go everywhere |
| 18:21.24 | Neo|Work | or less |
| 18:21.33 | Neo|Work | (did a quick search on pricewatch) |
| 18:21.38 | Neo|Work | TheExile: cool |
| 18:21.43 | Shayde | nope wasn't 1gig, sorry. :) |
| 18:21.46 | Shayde | its his drive, he knows :) |
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| 18:22.47 | TheExile | microdrive has moving parts. failures |
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| 18:23.23 | Neo|Work | Zxcvb: the benefit of the microdrive would be that it should have the wearout problem of CF |
| 18:23.25 | Neo|Work | wtf! |
| 18:23.36 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.37 | Shayde | sheesh. |
| 18:24.02 | TheExile | how many people here haave actually worn out cf |
| 18:24.10 | Shayde | there's the lilo msg |
| 18:24.33 | Neo|Work | TheExile: _I_ haven't but that'd be the one benefit |
| 18:24.34 | bipolar | TheExile: I've never heard of it, really |
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| 18:25.49 | TheExile | the numbers foretell wearout long after failure of the device even using the cf has swap |
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| 18:27.02 | Twiun | mark: I was about to ask you that :) |
| 18:27.07 | Twiun | mark: were you watching the screen at all? |
| 18:27.34 | TheExile | the numbers foretell wearout long after failure of the device even using the cf has swap |
| 18:27.40 | Twiun | mark: actually, I'm running it again, should show somthething soon |
| 18:27.48 | Twiun | s/somthething/something/ |
| 18:28.50 | TheExile | ok gotta run battery is nil. linksys card zaps quickly |
| 18:29.59 | Shayde | scp: ./interstellar-flames-demo_1.0_arm.ipk: truncate: No space left on device |
| 18:29.59 | Shayde | scp: ./strategic-assault_1.8.6_arm.ipk: No space left on device |
| 18:30.02 | Shayde | nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :) |
| 18:31.21 | phoen][x | what do you want to split today |
| 18:33.02 | mark | Twiun: i've got a congratulations |
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| 18:33.22 | mark | Twiun: its worked |
| 18:33.26 | Twiun | mark: full screen? |
| 18:33.33 | mark | Twiun: damn right |
| 18:33.53 | Twiun | mark: woohoo, a repeatable result! |
| 18:34.14 | mark | Twiun: heh :) |
| 18:34.55 | Twiun | mark: ok, I'm cleaning up then I'll get out of your box |
| 18:35.35 | Neo|Work | Shayde: heh. :) |
| 18:35.47 | mark | Twiun: no rush, i'm having food now, cya |
| 18:36.03 | Twiun | mark: see ya |
| 18:36.08 | Neo|Work | Twiun: did you hax0r's Twiun's Z? |
| 18:36.53 | Twiun | Neo|Work: mark's Z, yeah, he let me in over ssh |
| 18:38.45 | Twiun | Neo|Work: I needed another Z to test this out |
| 18:39.01 | Twiun | Neo|Work: now what I need is a Sharp ROM, just to be thorough |
| 18:42.13 | fusion94 | man....i hate people |
| 18:42.54 | Neo|Work | fusion94: PEOPLE FEED YOU |
| 18:42.55 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 18:43.00 | fusion94 | um no |
| 18:43.05 | fusion94 | cows do |
| 18:43.07 | fusion94 | heh |
| 18:44.30 | bipolar | they're tasty |
| 18:45.18 | Neo|Work | squirls - sounds yummy. ;-) |
| 18:45.50 | Neo|Work | is that like a mix of squid and squirrels? |
| 18:54.47 | George`School | ok, I'm physically going now |
| 18:54.48 | George`School | cya |
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| 18:57.58 | CyberCrypt | I just got my new 5600 today and am trying to figure out how to interface it to linux. Obviously there is no mention in the manual on how to interface a linux PDA to linux itself. Where do I start? |
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| 19:07.54 | zoid | search for stuff on usbnet |
| 19:08.02 | zoid | and get that compiled in your kernel, or as a module |
| 19:08.21 | zoid | also go to trolltech's site, and get qtopia desktop for linux |
| 19:08.29 | zoid | then you'll be on your way to getting it going :) |
| 19:08.32 | zoid | good luck |
| 19:09.28 | CuCullin | whats the most storage thats available on SD, and the same for CF, available today? |
| 19:10.04 | CuCullin | 256MB and 1GB? |
| 19:11.33 | pHluid | Yah, I think so. |
| 19:11.58 | CyberCrypt | actually 2gig is available now |
| 19:12.17 | CyberCrypt | I think I might have even seen a 4gig but its pretty pricy |
| 19:12.31 | pHluid | Hrm, yep it is |
| 19:12.51 | pHluid | Only like $1,600 too |
| 19:12.54 | pHluid | sweet |
| 19:13.18 | CuCullin | goddamn, 4gb? |
| 19:13.21 | CuCullin | cool |
| 19:13.29 | pHluid | http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1220&showComments=true |
| 19:14.51 | dougheckaa | 6 gig |
| 19:14.58 | dougheckaa | pretec.com |
| 19:15.06 | pHluid | jesus |
| 19:15.23 | pHluid | hrm |
| 19:15.24 | pHluid | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchTools/item-details.asp?sku=H65-1042%20P |
| 19:15.36 | pHluid | Handspring Treo 180 for $150 w/ $150 rebate |
| 19:16.03 | Shayde | i'm not listening! |
| 19:16.05 | Shayde | la la la! |
| 19:16.36 | pHluid | Is it that I mentioned a Palm device or that you don't wanna spend any money? :) |
| 19:18.14 | pHluid | CuCullin: |
| 19:18.19 | pHluid | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000083DY0/102-2323602-3095305 |
| 19:18.49 | pHluid | $222 for a 1gb |
| 19:22.10 | mark | Neo|Work: yeh, i'm going to sue Twiun for hax0ring now |
| 19:23.07 | Twiun | mark: lol, I've got logs to prove I didn't! |
| 19:23.35 | mark | Twiun: i've got evidence of repeated entry attempts on port 8222! |
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| 19:24.48 | Twiun | mark: that's certainly not enough to convict me :) |
| 19:25.07 | mark | Twiun: and overwriting and deleting my files |
| 19:25.41 | Twiun | mark: lol, and how would you know that's what happened? |
| 19:26.23 | mark | Twiun: all commands are piped through a logger.. this is a standard procedure for a PDA no? |
| 19:26.32 | Twiun | mark: I'm sure |
| 19:26.54 | mark | root 4 ? Jan 24 04:52 adorphuye.com |
| 19:27.02 | mark | i mean you've got root access |
| 19:27.04 | mark | and at 4am |
| 19:27.09 | mark | what are you doing at 4am if its not hacking? |
| 19:27.33 | Twiun | mark: and on January 24 too... wow, is it me or is none of your data reliable? |
| 19:28.30 | Twiun | mark: good thing too, lawyers can get expensive |
| 19:28.51 | mark | Twiun: yeah. that millionaire cheat is £450,000 in debt now |
| 19:29.13 | Twiun | mark: I couldn't believe how dumb he was |
| 19:29.32 | Twiun | mark: he was such a bad actor too |
| 19:29.36 | mark | heh, i know |
| 19:30.06 | Twiun | and his wife wasn't much better |
| 19:30.15 | mark | 'nope, can't be googel'. <cough cough> 'nope, i'm sure its not googel' <cough cough> googel. its googel, definately googel |
| 19:30.28 | Neo|Work | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cnnobit1.html |
| 19:30.30 | Neo|Work | man that's funny |
| 19:30.47 | mark | Twiun: yeh, not enough sense to not keep staring at the guy |
| 19:31.01 | mark | Twiun: the cheat shoulda kept all his options open until he heard the coughs. |
| 19:32.25 | mark | Neo|Work: heh |
| 19:32.34 | Twiun | mark: yeah, and I would've quit at 125k |
| 19:32.40 | Twiun | mark: no sense being greedy |
| 19:32.52 | Twiun | Neo|Work: yeah, saw that as well |
| 19:32.52 | mark | nope |
| 19:33.41 | mark | Twiun: and teqwuin whittock shoulda carried on coughing.. |
| 19:34.02 | mark | Twiun: in fact, we could pull the whole thing off far more effectively. wanna give it a go? ;) |
| 19:34.36 | Twiun | mark: nah, they'd be far more cautious nowdays |
| 19:35.54 | mark | Twiun: ye. visual clues would be better than audio? |
| 19:37.19 | mark | you'd need more than one person though |
| 19:37.24 | mark | otherwise it'd be obvious who you were looking at |
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| 19:37.36 | Twiun | mark: I was thinking some kind of electronic device in the heel of the guy's shoe |
| 19:37.54 | mark | Twiun: triggered by what? |
| 19:37.54 | Twiun | mark: presses on his heel once for A, twice for B, etc |
| 19:38.01 | mark | ah right |
| 19:38.10 | mark | and that gets transmitted to the guy in the hotseat how? |
| 19:38.33 | Twiun | mark: to another shoe, but one whos heel pushes up |
| 19:38.38 | Twiun | whose |
| 19:38.47 | mark | hmm |
| 19:39.01 | mark | don['t think they monitor the airwaves for communication? |
| 19:39.20 | gaurdian | does nay one know if the handheald people changes the ipaq2 password again ?? I cant acces it now |
| 19:39.25 | Twiun | mark: ultrasounds? |
| 19:39.30 | dougheckaa | Twiun: LASER! |
| 19:39.39 | Twiun | mark: or even infrasounds |
| 19:39.46 | mark | Twiun: don't you need line of sight for ultra sound? |
| 19:40.29 | Twiun | mark: not if all you want is on/off |
| 19:41.02 | Twiun | mark: best thing about ultrasounds is that they're usually outside the recoding range of studio equipment |
| 19:41.10 | Twiun | recording |
| 19:41.15 | mark | Twiun: you know too much :P |
| 19:41.43 | mark | but yeh, that could do it. that and a good actor |
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| 19:42.26 | Twiun | mark: what can I say... I learned too many of the wrong things to pass exams |
| 19:42.56 | mark | Twiun: heh, really? |
| 19:43.38 | Twiun | mark: yeah, I chose subjects then kept learning things at a tangent |
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| 19:46.13 | mark | Twiun: they should do a show where you go on and just try and cheat :) |
| 19:46.30 | mark | Twiun: and a prize if they don't detect you |
| 19:46.42 | treke | mark: that would sum up all game shows |
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| 19:46.48 | Twiun | mark: lol |
| 19:46.50 | mark | treke: heh |
| 19:47.02 | treke | lets make it more intresting |
| 19:47.06 | mark | Twiun: people up and down the country are probably discussing ways of doing it right now |
| 19:47.13 | mark | Twiun: a film will be crap though |
| 19:47.24 | treke | they send you to a vegas casion and have you try and cheat |
| 19:47.31 | treke | then if they dont catch you you win a prize |
| 19:47.43 | treke | and if they do catch you, well you probably lose a knee cap or something |
| 19:48.06 | Twiun | isn't that a normal casino anyway? |
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| 19:52.58 | mark | hmm, this chandler is gonna be nice |
| 19:55.13 | mark | job for rikkus: http://blogs.osafoundation.org/mitch/000145.html |
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| 20:00.42 | Neo|Work | Chandler? wtf is that? |
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| 20:07.48 | CuCullin | new PIM, at .01 |
| 20:07.51 | CuCullin | err, .1 |
| 20:07.59 | CuCullin | the site is being killed atm, it was /.'ed |
| 20:08.09 | pHluid | OH YEAH |
| 20:08.13 | pHluid | 3555 pts in Tetrix |
| 20:08.43 | pHluid | don't hate. |
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| 20:11.48 | bobbyd | hi |
| 20:11.48 | CyberCrypt | I just got my 5600 and am trying to download and install the qtopia since sharp is not smart enough to include them but I'm having trouble getting it to install. rpm saying I need libstdc++-6... anyone know where I can find it? |
| 20:11.53 | dougheckaa | ih |
| 20:12.13 | treke | CyberCrypt: probably on your redhat cds |
| 20:12.21 | treke | or your suse |
| 20:12.23 | treke | or mandrake |
| 20:12.24 | bobbyd | dougheckaa : are you a bot? |
| 20:12.26 | CyberCrypt | lol looking now... |
| 20:12.27 | treke | or what ever distro you use |
| 20:12.32 | CyberCrypt | I found version 3 but not 6 |
| 20:12.34 | dougheckaa | bobbyd: Am I a bot? |
| 20:13.11 | bobbyd | hmm, i just set up two network cards on my little router machine, but i cant ping my winbox from it |
| 20:13.18 | bobbyd | i dont know what if rogto to do... |
| 20:13.21 | dougheckaa | bummer |
| 20:13.22 | bobbyd | forgot |
| 20:18.14 | dougheckaa | ~seen George`School |
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| 20:24.47 | CyberCrypt | this is wonderful. I can't find any refrence to the version that qtopia is asking for and I'm so frustrated that I called sharp to see why they sell a linux OS PDA that won't work with linux. |
| 20:24.59 | CyberCrypt | Their response is that its designed to only work with windows... |
| 20:25.09 | CyberCrypt | hello, do you know how stupid that sounds??? |
| 20:25.39 | dougheckaa | umm |
| 20:25.40 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 20:25.45 | CyberCrypt | I'm about to just pack this thing up and send it back. Qtopia was suggested to me but I download the rpm and install it and it asks for files I can't find... |
| 20:25.54 | dougheckaa | send it to me |
| 20:25.55 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 20:26.00 | dougheckaa | hmm |
| 20:26.01 | alexw | CyberCrypt: what files? |
| 20:26.02 | dougheckaa | I dunno |
| 20:26.39 | CyberCrypt | libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 |
| 20:26.55 | Twiun | CyberCrypt: search for that on google, you should find one |
| 20:27.09 | mark | hmm, one homework done |
| 20:27.13 | CyberCrypt | but now sharp is telling me that qtopia won't work with the 5600 anyway |
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| 20:27.25 | CyberCrypt | I searched on google but can't find that version |
| 20:28.25 | alexw | one sec, what version of linux are you running? |
| 20:29.11 | CyberCrypt | RH 8 |
| 20:29.59 | alexw | do: ls /usr/lib/libstdc++* |
| 20:30.02 | CyberCrypt | if I could just get this stupid thing linked through a mount I'd write my own interface to something but this is driving me crazy. I just blessed out the guy from sharp but they could give a crap anyway. |
| 20:30.41 | CyberCrypt | closest I have is libc6.1-1.so.2 |
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| 20:32.32 | CyberCrypt | I wonder if I created a link and tried to fake it out if it would work? |
| 20:32.57 | Twiun | it won't hurt to try |
| 20:33.10 | alexw | I was just suggesting that then I saw your filename: you should have libstdc++ |
| 20:34.01 | alexw | libc is different to libstdc++ |
| 20:34.17 | alexw | (you need libc as well of course) |
| 20:34.37 | Twiun | doh, I'd missed that |
| 20:34.38 | Twiun | sorry |
| 20:34.46 | CyberCrypt | nope that didn't work |
| 20:35.21 | alexw | cybercrypt: note the difference between libc and libstdc++ |
| 20:35.23 | CyberCrypt | sorry, I left off the front part as they were all the same. I understood what you were saying |
| 20:35.29 | CyberCrypt | I know |
| 20:35.33 | alexw | ok |
| 20:35.56 | CyberCrypt | so does anyone here know if the qtopia is going to work with the 5600 anyway? if not I'm wasting my time. |
| 20:36.11 | CyberCrypt | also does anyone have any instructions on mounting the device through some other means? |
| 20:36.27 | CyberCrypt | ie: what os it runs and mounting through the usb port or something |
| 20:36.31 | alexw | this is the rpm you need: http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/redhat/8.0/i386/libstdc++-3.2-7.i386.html |
| 20:36.56 | CyberCrypt | even though you note that version is different? |
| 20:38.36 | CyberCrypt | I already have that file anyway... just checked |
| 20:39.58 | alexw | one sec |
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| 20:50.42 | alexw | arg, stuck libc versioning confusion |
| 20:53.04 | blk-majik | i have a 256mb sd card. what all do i have to do to get the 64+0 rom image to work right? so far, i just formateed the sd as ext2. any funny mounts ill need to do after flashign? |
| 20:58.51 | CyberCrypt | well can anyone help me getting the 5600 mounted to linux? |
| 20:59.09 | dougheckaa | whats linux |
| 20:59.18 | dougheckaa | ;) |
| 21:00.28 | CyberCrypt | I was all excited about getting my Z until I actually received it. I have it sitting here charging now but as it turns out I'm boxing it back up because I can't use it if it won't attach to my system. |
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| 21:00.49 | gaurdian | send it to me then :) |
| 21:00.58 | dougheckaa | gaurdian: thats my line |
| 21:01.01 | blk-majik | im sure its just operator error |
| 21:01.07 | dougheckaa | CyberCrypt: hmm, check out docs.zaurus.com |
| 21:01.12 | gaurdian | my 5500 works flawlessly |
| 21:01.15 | CyberCrypt | whats the deal with using linux if you are not going to provide any instructions on mapping it in linux. linux is free but we charge as much for our PDA as the rest and OH, did we tell you, we don't actually support the OS its written in. |
| 21:01.21 | gaurdian | but a free 5600 would be nice |
| 21:01.30 | alexw | CyberCrypt: your qtopiadesktop really should be a 'simple' library error, I just can't get my head round the versioning schemes |
| 21:01.37 | CyberCrypt | lol I've been on their site and so far have found nothing related to linux |
| 21:01.44 | blk-majik | CyberCrypt: rtfm |
| 21:01.46 | dougheckaa | the docs website? |
| 21:01.54 | cyn | heh |
| 21:02.04 | gaurdian | ywan..... |
| 21:02.13 | CyberCrypt | I'm still looking and alexw, I'm still concerned that it doesn't support the 5600 which is what sharp told me. |
| 21:03.00 | blk-majik | did the box ever say "networking skills included!" |
| 21:03.02 | gaurdian | I hear it does, have herd others do it. |
| 21:03.37 | gaurdian | but I dont actually know it does, I conmnect mine to a XP system |
| 21:03.40 | blk-majik | im sure it can link with linux just fine. whether or not you know how to do this is another story |
| 21:03.41 | CyberCrypt | * makes as much since as a WinCE not supporting windows... |
| 21:04.01 | blk-majik | CyberCrypt: maybe you should get a palm |
| 21:04.03 | Zxcvb | what about kitchensync? |
| 21:04.04 | gaurdian | actually, CyberCrypt , that statement is wrong |
| 21:04.08 | Zxcvb | is it 5600 compatible? |
| 21:04.26 | CyberCrypt | blk-majik: you guys are missing the point entirely. its not whether I can, its that there should be instructions for something that basic |
| 21:04.39 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: tried kitchensync? |
| 21:04.46 | dougheckaa | CyberCrypt: what linux? |
| 21:04.46 | CyberCrypt | what the hell good is it if it can't be linked. And when I return it for a full refund, how did they benefit? |
| 21:04.54 | CyberCrypt | RH8 |
| 21:05.02 | dougheckaa | http://docs.zaurus.com/lc_redhat.shtml |
| 21:05.20 | Zxcvb | dougheckaa: he wants to sync, not just connect |
| 21:05.24 | gaurdian | Look CyberCrypt , they DONT HAVE TO SUPPORT LINUX if they dont want to. Get it through your head |
| 21:05.31 | CyberCrypt | that stuff is for the 5500 |
| 21:05.38 | dougheckaa | http://docs.zaurus.com/sync_linux.shtml |
| 21:05.58 | alexw | please can someone help me help CyberCrypt (and myself): how do libc 6.x glibc 2.3.x libstdc++3.0 fit together |
| 21:05.58 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: the usbnet/usbdnet modules should let you connect to the zaurus |
| 21:06.05 | blk-majik | CyberCrypt: did u ever notice that the Z came with windows software? |
| 21:06.09 | CyberCrypt | gaurdian: not my point either, you don't HAVE TO DRIVE A CAR, but if you don't you eventually will starve... |
| 21:06.24 | CyberCrypt | blk-majik: yes I did |
| 21:06.24 | gaurdian | bad analogy.... |
| 21:06.29 | gaurdian | not accurate or relivant |
| 21:06.32 | CyberCrypt | well I'm pissed, sorry |
| 21:06.33 | CyberCrypt | lol |
| 21:06.34 | blk-majik | did it come with linux software? |
| 21:06.36 | gaurdian | not true either |
| 21:06.59 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: try kitchensync |
| 21:07.04 | dougheckaa | CyberCrypt: well, it IS a new product... microsoft is still patching 2000 |
| 21:07.05 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: yes, it is a KDE app |
| 21:07.54 | CyberCrypt | it kills me the excuses... You guys obviously don't run nor could you run your own companies. if everyone thought like you we'd all be hurting... |
| 21:08.17 | gaurdian | ahem..excuse me..I DO RUN MY OWN COMPANY...... |
| 21:08.37 | CyberCrypt | glad I'm not a customer then |
| 21:08.39 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: at least sharp won't sue you if you figure out how to make it work |
| 21:08.46 | gaurdian | so am I... |
| 21:08.46 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 21:08.52 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: or have you arrested |
| 21:09.05 | CyberCrypt | not quite sure I follow that one... |
| 21:09.20 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: not in the US? |
| 21:09.27 | gaurdian | I run a fairly successfull consulting company |
| 21:09.35 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: see the lexmark cartrige lawsuit |
| 21:09.40 | CyberCrypt | key word: consulting |
| 21:09.52 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: and keep in mind it is also a criminal law |
| 21:09.52 | CyberCrypt | I hate them... now I understand completely where your coming from. |
| 21:09.56 | gaurdian | Uh...yea so ? |
| 21:10.59 | gaurdian | key word consulting, so what ? I have employees, probably pay more in taxes than you make a year.... |
| 21:11.10 | gaurdian | your point dip shuit ? |
| 21:11.11 | CyberCrypt | lol, whatever |
| 21:11.27 | Zxcvb | gaurdian: could be worse, anyone who makes syncing work in linux could be arrested and spend lots of time in jail |
| 21:11.36 | CyberCrypt | you dont' even know who you're talking to so the fact that you say that just make my point even clearer |
| 21:12.05 | CyberCrypt | Zxcvb: your points are rather strange... you should find something else to say.. |
| 21:12.19 | blk-majik | CyberCrypt: do u? |
| 21:12.33 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: DMCA, enough said |
| 21:12.54 | CyberCrypt | gaurdian: who gives a shit what you make a year or pay in taxes, I happen to own my own company and have employees as well and 3 offices so what? has nothing to do with the conversation. |
| 21:13.04 | gaurdian | CyberCrypt , I dont care who I am talking to...you come accross as a moronic lazy piece of shit |
| 21:13.26 | CyberCrypt | lol yes I'm lazy and work 16 hours a day... again, a consultants point of view... |
| 21:13.36 | gaurdian | Well, what it has to do with the conversation is your smart ass comment that we obviousely dont |
| 21:13.43 | Zxcvb | gaurdian: and you actually pay taxes on your business? |
| 21:13.43 | CyberCrypt | lets resort to name calling now can we? you 18 years old too gaurdian? |
| 21:14.14 | gaurdian | hahaha...not name calling, just stating fact. You want everything handed to you |
| 21:14.26 | gaurdian | Zxcvb , personal taxes, yes |
| 21:14.48 | CyberCrypt | jesus dude, I was stating a fact that its very strange that sharp has a PDA that doesn't support the OS it is running and that statement has lead to this. |
| 21:15.12 | CyberCrypt | I'm sorry I said something so stupid in your opinion... |
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| 21:25.04 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: what is stupid is that if I download a divx rip of a dvd, and play it in linux 100 times, I only commmit 1 crime (copyright infringement), but if I purchase a DVD and watch it in linux 100 times, I commit 100 crimes (circumventing an access control device) |
| 21:25.38 | CyberCrypt | lol Zxcvb ok |
| 21:25.55 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: assuming you are in the USA, that applies to you too |
| 21:25.56 | CyberCrypt | that is stupid, but now we're talking law and gov't and that in and of itself is stupid |
| 21:26.20 | CyberCrypt | Correct, but you first must be able to prove that I watched it 100 times... |
| 21:26.26 | CyberCrypt | or at all for that matter. |
| 21:26.37 | CyberCrypt | are you in law school or something? |
| 21:26.45 | dougheckaa | slashdot school |
| 21:27.13 | Zxcvb | at least in the US, the burden of proof is still on the government |
| 21:27.33 | Zxcvb | in japan, you must prove your innocense beyond a reasonable doubt, or you are found guilty of copyright crimes |
| 21:27.51 | CyberCrypt | a better way to say that actually is that at least in the US they make you believe they ahve to prove something. |
| 21:28.04 | CyberCrypt | they still do pretty much what the hell they want as long as no one is watching |
| 21:28.30 | CyberCrypt | Zxcvb: are you from japan? |
| 21:29.01 | Zxcvb | CyberCrypt: nope |
| 21:29.23 | CyberCrypt | so you're just full us useful information? |
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| 21:29.49 | dougheckaa | http://www.slashdot.org |
| 21:31.23 | CyberCrypt | does anyone on this site have linux and a 5600? |
| 21:33.26 | mark | CyberCrypt: fraid not, we're all too poor to buy 5600s :) |
| 21:33.46 | dougheckaa | I dont even have a working Z |
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| 21:35.27 | gaurdian | I am sure several people have linux and a few have a 5600 |
| 21:35.32 | CyberCrypt | not gaurdian: he pays more taxes than I make I think he said. |
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| 21:51.19 | rev|desk | yoooo z-duder(ette)s |
| 21:52.49 | yeiaway | 'night |
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| 22:55.31 | CyberCrypt | is it normal for the 5600 to just lockup while moving around in it? does it have a reset button anywhere? this thing is locked up hard... |
| 22:55.55 | CyberCrypt | was running opera when it did it. |
| 22:56.06 | rev|desk | 'moving around in it?' |
| 22:56.08 | rev|desk | like you got small |
| 22:56.12 | rev|desk | and went for a walk around the leads? |
| 22:56.13 | CyberCrypt | so much for linux being more stable than wince |
| 22:56.21 | rev|desk | it isn't |
| 22:56.22 | rev|desk | er |
| 22:56.22 | CyberCrypt | dead completely |
| 22:56.24 | rev|desk | not on the pda at least |
| 22:56.26 | rev|desk | in my experience |
| 22:56.33 | rev|desk | wince is actually pretty stable in my experience |
| 22:56.50 | rev|desk | people don't believe me because they're linux zealouts i guess :P |
| 22:56.51 | rev|desk | but |
| 22:57.03 | CyberCrypt | its sad. I've had the thing for 4 hours and already determined that it won't easily link to linux, I can't figure out how to open a shell prompt and it now locked up. |
| 22:57.20 | rev|desk | on the 5500 the reset button is the switch on the back of the Z labeled "NORMAL OPERATION / REPLACE BATTERY: |
| 22:57.20 | CyberCrypt | I would be one of those except where this thing comes in. |
| 22:57.31 | CyberCrypt | let me try that |
| 22:57.40 | rev|desk | flip it into "REPLACE BATTERY" and then back to "NORMA LOPERATION" and turn it on the usual way, and it should do a regular reboot |
| 22:57.55 | rev|desk | i'm not sure if the 5600 has that same setup tho, but i imagine it does... |
| 22:57.57 | CyberCrypt | nope |
| 22:58.17 | rev|desk | whatever you do, don't hit the reset button on the inside of the battery case... i did, thinking it was the regular reset, and it freaking cleared all my ram, *whoops* there goes alll my shit |
| 22:58.18 | CyberCrypt | I switched it but its still screen light on and locked up cold. I guess I have to remove the battery. |
| 22:58.34 | rev|desk | you have to install the terminal app to get a shell prompt |
| 22:58.38 | rev|desk | unless you just go ahead and quit qtopia |
| 22:58.46 | rev|desk | no |
| 22:58.49 | rev|desk | well |
| 22:58.51 | CyberCrypt | lol, but it won't link to linux so I can't very well install anything at all on it. |
| 22:58.55 | rev|desk | you don't want to do a hard reset |
| 22:59.05 | rev|desk | what goes wrong in the 'link to linux?" |
| 22:59.05 | wParam | don't just take out the battery |
| 22:59.06 | rev|desk | i mean |
| 22:59.10 | rev|desk | i don't use it with linux myself... |
| 22:59.14 | wParam | use the hard reset button if you're gonna do that |
| 22:59.16 | rev|desk | but the USBnet driver works 100% with OS X |
| 22:59.19 | CyberCrypt | can't run qtopia because its a 5600 and doesn't support it yet I guess, at least that is what I was told |
| 22:59.25 | rev|desk | huh? |
| 22:59.29 | wParam | sometimes you can take out the battery and it still won't go off (my 5500 does this sometimes) |
| 22:59.29 | rev|desk | CyberCrypt |
| 22:59.32 | rev|desk | it is running Qtopia by default |
| 22:59.35 | rev|desk | du |
| 22:59.35 | wParam | that's bad for the backup battery |
| 22:59.35 | rev|desk | er duh |
| 22:59.36 | rev|desk | :P |
| 22:59.43 | rev|desk | maybe you mean OpenZaurus or OPIE? |
| 23:00.03 | rev|desk | unless Sharp started shipping with X11 instead of Qtopia in the last two days and i've not heard of it yet :P |
| 23:00.21 | CyberCrypt | ok, you mean on the pda. I thought that was what you ran on the computer to interface to it. I'm new to this thing so I don't know the names of all the software |
| 23:00.29 | rev|desk | ah ok |
| 23:00.30 | rev|desk | no prob |
| 23:00.31 | CyberCrypt | no they aren't |
| 23:00.41 | rev|desk | CyberCrypt: is there that battery switch on the back of the Z like i said? |
| 23:00.44 | rev|desk | or did that just not work? |
| 23:00.46 | CyberCrypt | I was saying qtopia won't run in linux and interface to it. |
| 23:00.50 | CyberCrypt | yes |
| 23:00.55 | rev|desk | ok |
| 23:00.59 | rev|desk | flip that switch into "REPLACE BATTERY" |
| 23:01.01 | CyberCrypt | it just didn't do anything at all |
| 23:01.02 | rev|desk | but leave it there for a second |
| 23:01.10 | CyberCrypt | thats where it has been for the last 5 minutes |
| 23:01.13 | rev|desk | then put it back into "NORMAL OPERATION" and then try trurning it on |
| 23:01.22 | rev|desk | ah ok |
| 23:01.24 | CyberCrypt | light still bright and screen still locked even with switch turned. |
| 23:01.31 | CyberCrypt | also tried to hold power button and still no go |
| 23:01.53 | CyberCrypt | battery is my only option at this point if there is not reset switch anywhere. |
| 23:01.56 | rev|desk | yeah, i've had to reset my Zaurus 10x more times than I've ever had to reset my iPAQ and 100x more times than my Newton :P |
| 23:02.08 | wParam | the hard reset switch is next to the battery |
| 23:02.11 | wParam | inside the cover |
| 23:02.17 | wParam | use that before just pulling the battery out |
| 23:02.21 | rev|desk | i think people lie in their reviews, they are too concerned with making linux sound good so that other people buy it or something |
| 23:02.24 | rev|desk | yeah, listen to wParam |
| 23:02.34 | rev|desk | unless you want to do clear everything on it and do setup again |
| 23:02.50 | rev|desk | wParam: would you say that the built-in Sharp ROM backup/restore app works reliably? |
| 23:03.04 | wParam | it does in my experience |
| 23:03.11 | rev|desk | ok |
| 23:03.13 | CyberCrypt | I would say this thing sucks and I'm sending it back. I'm tired of screwing around with it. |
| 23:03.16 | wParam | and i've had to use it a LOT |
| 23:03.27 | rev|desk | i was going to try a hard reset and restore but i'm afraid that it won't work and i'll be screwed :/ |
| 23:03.27 | cyn | heh |
| 23:03.28 | wParam | what with the double reboot-without-suspend crashing problem |
| 23:03.29 | CyberCrypt | I just wish I could get it to work... |
| 23:03.35 | CyberCrypt | lol yes |
| 23:03.37 | cyn | CyberCrypt: when'd you get it |
| 23:03.37 | rev|desk | wParam: i've never had that problem thing |
| 23:03.39 | rev|desk | er that problem |
| 23:03.41 | CyberCrypt | today |
| 23:03.44 | cyn | man |
| 23:03.50 | cyn | do you use linux? |
| 23:03.51 | rev|desk | wParam: and i've been doing reboots using Qtopia rather than via the cmd line |
| 23:03.58 | cyn | on your desktop/etc. or run server(s) |
| 23:03.59 | CyberCrypt | thats the sad part. I'm a toy junky and I don't even want to play with it. What does that tell Sharp? |
| 23:04.05 | CyberCrypt | every single day |
| 23:04.26 | wParam | it doesn't matter where you do it from, i've had it happen from console, qtopia, and sysrq |
| 23:04.37 | cyn | tells me the 320x240 really *is* too small :) |
| 23:04.38 | rev|desk | CyberCrypt: the Z is fine as soon as you get used to it *and* you don't need to run much software that isn't made for the desktop... i mean, as a PDA, the Z mostly blows |
| 23:04.38 | ivan_ | CyberCrypt: just take the battery out and put it back in |
| 23:04.55 | wParam | though sysrq only does it some of the time |
| 23:04.59 | rev|desk | wParam: ha, odd... i've not had it happen to me once. running the 2.38 ROM? |
| 23:05.06 | ivan_ | CyberCrypt: the 5600 keeps all the data in ROM so you should be fine |
| 23:05.08 | CyberCrypt | I did and its running again but damn. if I have to do that all the time it sucks |
| 23:05.11 | rev|desk | now i'm scared that i should be backing up more often! |
| 23:05.18 | wParam | yeah, well, i was, i since made some changes of my own |
| 23:05.21 | ivan_ | CyberCrypt: does it crash just with one program? |
| 23:05.30 | rev|desk | wParam: ah ok |
| 23:05.32 | wParam | among them putting the protection thing for that problem into the rom |
| 23:05.34 | rev|desk | ivan_: it was opea |
| 23:05.36 | rev|desk | er opera |
| 23:05.42 | ivan_ | well install konqueror or something |
| 23:05.56 | wParam | (of course restoring a backup removes the protection so it hasn't proved terribly useful) |
| 23:05.58 | CyberCrypt | I was running opera when it dumped and I'm trying it again to see if it happens again. |
| 23:06.06 | rev|desk | ivan_: that is the lamest 'fix' i've ever heard |
| 23:06.08 | rev|desk | christ |
| 23:06.20 | CyberCrypt | and that was all I was running before.. |
| 23:06.28 | rev|desk | CyberCrypt: if it makes you feel better opera doesn't crash regularily for me, so i doubt it will for you... it may not have actually been opera's fault |
| 23:06.32 | ivan_ | CyberCrypt: if you have good eyes, can you tell me if the screen sucks like the 5500? vertical lines when moving pda left and right? |
| 23:06.32 | nichos | Has anyone had vnc working w/OZ? the fbvnc page says dont install on OZ |
| 23:06.40 | rev|desk | ivan_: and besides, he can't install opera because he hasn't been able to get linux to connect to it |
| 23:06.59 | wParam | does anyone know what the file system they used for / on openzaurus is called? |
| 23:07.02 | rev|desk | ivan_: i have noticed that with my 5500 |
| 23:07.14 | ivan_ | yeah, i hope it doesn't do that with the 5600 |
| 23:07.16 | CyberCrypt | yep |
| 23:07.16 | rev|desk | if it is still, no lines, but moving horizontally, vertical lines appear |
| 23:07.20 | CyberCrypt | I still see them |
| 23:07.20 | rev|desk | oi |
| 23:07.25 | ivan_ | CyberCrypt: fack |
| 23:07.31 | nichos | wParam 'mount' says jffs2 |
| 23:07.42 | rev|desk | if this thing didn't run Dynapad (my own PDA OS/environment) faster than the Axim I just won, I'd sell the Zaurus |
| 23:07.44 | rev|desk | :/ |
| 23:07.46 | wParam | ok. thanks. ... that's what i thought |
| 23:07.50 | ivan_ | CyberCrypt: i was hoping to get a 5600 after i returned my 5500 |
| 23:07.56 | ivan_ | but i guess i'll just live pdaless |
| 23:08.03 | rev|desk | heh |
| 23:08.06 | rev|desk | why not get a cheap one? |
| 23:08.16 | rev|desk | you can get an iPAQ 3100 series for like $120 or so |
| 23:08.17 | ivan_ | because all of them have defective screens? |
| 23:08.18 | CyberCrypt | actually I'm about to go back to the ipac which is awesome |
| 23:08.28 | rev|desk | not a cheap Zaurus |
| 23:08.33 | CyberCrypt | I was looking for something to use with linux but this obviously isn't it. |
| 23:08.35 | rev|desk | plenty of other PDAs don't have shitty screens |
| 23:08.35 | ivan_ | rev|desk: does the ipaq have a shit screen? |
| 23:08.45 | rev|desk | CyberCrypt: why not install linux on the ipaq? |
| 23:08.47 | rev|desk | ivan_: nope |
| 23:08.58 | rev|desk | but it isn't as super-ass-nice as the Axim has though |
| 23:09.02 | CyberCrypt | I was trying to do that but I haven't figured out how yet. |
| 23:09.02 | rev|desk | that is really bright and crisp |
| 23:09.11 | rev|desk | especially putting the Zaurus and the Axim side by side |
| 23:09.13 | ivan_ | can the axim run linux? |
| 23:09.16 | rev|desk | i should take a photo for j00ze guys |
| 23:09.18 | rev|desk | ivan_: not yet |
| 23:09.26 | rev|desk | but perhaps within 6 months someone will figure it out |
| 23:09.28 | CyberCrypt | went through the instructions until it tells me to open terminal to usb port and had to quit... :-) |
| 23:09.30 | rev|desk | it has a flash rom tho |
| 23:10.41 | ivan_ | i can't believe sharp can't make a decent LCD screen |
| 23:10.51 | ivan_ | "fucking blurry and painful to look at" should be their company name |
| 23:11.16 | rev|desk | haha |
| 23:11.18 | rev|desk | oi |
| 23:11.18 | rev|desk | :/ |
| 23:11.55 | ivan_ | i would hate not having a built-in keyboard though |
| 23:12.02 | ivan_ | those touch-keyboards are kinda pointless |
| 23:12.06 | rev|desk | and they should rename qtopia to "qt sucks for writing pda apps such that there isn't even a fucking decent notetaking app" |
| 23:12.12 | rev|desk | well |
| 23:12.15 | CyberCrypt | I thought I read somewhere that you could switch this thing to run things as root. anyone know where you do that? |
| 23:12.18 | rev|desk | a kb like the Fitaly is pretty good |
| 23:12.19 | wParam | yeah, the keyboard it pretty much the Z's only saving grace |
| 23:12.38 | rev|desk | i'd rather loose the freaking thumboard and get real handwriting recognition |
| 23:12.46 | rev|desk | or for that matter, hell, decent character recognition |
| 23:12.50 | ivan_ | does the ipaq have a built-in serial port for a keyboard? |
| 23:12.52 | rev|desk | the builtin CR is soooo slooowwwwww |
| 23:12.55 | rev|desk | ivan_: yeah |
| 23:12.57 | ivan_ | wow |
| 23:13.01 | ivan_ | that rocks |
| 23:13.03 | rev|desk | not a regular PC serial though |
| 23:13.06 | ivan_ | :( |
| 23:13.15 | rev|desk | but a general expansion slot where you can plug a kb or a serial adapter |
| 23:13.52 | rev|desk | like all PDAs |
| 23:13.56 | CyberCrypt | yes, sorta. I have a foldup keyboard that is a normal or close to normal size keyboard that the ipac sits on. |
| 23:14.02 | CyberCrypt | it works awesome as hell |
| 23:14.06 | rev|desk | other than the Newton, what PDA has a real serial port built-in to it? |
| 23:14.17 | rev|desk | CyberCrypt: the stow-away or a pocketop? |
| 23:14.19 | CyberCrypt | not a normal serial port though |
| 23:14.27 | rev|desk | i reallly like the keyboard on the Jornada 720 |
| 23:14.35 | CyberCrypt | let me look... |
| 23:14.37 | rev|desk | it is tiny, only 75% of fullsize |
| 23:14.45 | rev|desk | but i can touch-type on it as fast as i can on a real keyboard |
| 23:14.51 | rev|desk | after a couple minutes getting used to it for the first time |
| 23:14.54 | rev|desk | and i have pretty chunky fingers |
| 23:15.00 | CyberCrypt | stowaway |
| 23:15.02 | rev|desk | i wish the C700 had a keyboard like that |
| 23:15.07 | rev|desk | instead of just a slightly bigger thumboard |
| 23:15.08 | CyberCrypt | its awesome as hell... |
| 23:15.18 | CyberCrypt | works great and easy to deal with |
| 23:15.24 | rev|desk | CyberCrypt: ah, cool... i was thinking of getting one of these -> http://www.pocketop.net for the Zaurus |
| 23:15.27 | rev|desk | sweet |
| 23:15.40 | ivan_ | i don't know why anyone would want a c700 since it (probably?) runs existing software poorly |
| 23:15.41 | CyberCrypt | you mean there is one for the zaurus too? |
| 23:15.47 | ivan_ | it would be too tiny |
| 23:15.53 | CyberCrypt | its screen also sucks |
| 23:15.57 | ivan_ | and the keyboard is only on landscape-orientation |
| 23:16.05 | CyberCrypt | wonderful inside notebook style outside. |
| 23:16.07 | CyberCrypt | ie: black |
| 23:16.18 | rev|desk | CyberCrypt: yeah, the pockettop kb works with the Zaurus over IR, as well as palm os and wince PDAs |
| 23:16.32 | rev|desk | i wouldn't mind that kb is only in landscape |
| 23:16.36 | rev|desk | that is the only way i'd use it |
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| 23:18.06 | dougheckaa | insult George`School |
| 23:18.07 | Noodlebot | George`School, thou loathed issue of thy father's loins! |
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| 23:19.32 | rev|desk | uff |
| 23:19.34 | CyberCrypt | well, I guess I'm about to repackage and return this 5600 as its the crapiest thing I've ever had to deal with ... |
| 23:19.39 | rev|desk | that sucks :( |
| 23:19.46 | rev|desk | why did you buy the 5600 instead of the 5500? |
| 23:19.49 | rev|desk | are you just rich? |
| 23:20.04 | wParam | probably because one would assume that the 5600 would be better |
| 23:20.10 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 23:20.10 | CyberCrypt | lol, I just like the best. mainly because I hate when my battery runs dead I loose everything |
| 23:20.11 | rev|desk | :/ |
| 23:20.22 | rev|desk | that is a retarded thing about most WinCE PDAs |
| 23:20.31 | rev|desk | i was happy to see that the Axim has a *real backup battery* |
| 23:20.36 | rev|desk | does the 5600 have one? |
| 23:20.40 | rev|desk | at least the 5500 doesn't die immediately |
| 23:20.45 | rev|desk | you get like 5 whole minutes to plug it in |
| 23:20.46 | rev|desk | fuck that |
| 23:20.46 | rev|desk | oi |
| 23:20.48 | CyberCrypt | no, but it doesn't need it |
| 23:20.54 | rev|desk | sure it does |
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| 23:21.00 | ivan_ | CyberCrypt: did you buy the 5600 from amazon? |
| 23:21.00 | wParam | yeah, the 5500 can run the screen and the frontlight off of it's backup battery |
| 23:21.02 | rev|desk | er |
| 23:21.02 | rev|desk | n/m |
| 23:21.06 | CyberCrypt | yes |
| 23:21.07 | rev|desk | iu thought you meant the ipaq didn't need it |
| 23:21.08 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 23:21.10 | rev|desk | all in ROM is good |
| 23:21.16 | CyberCrypt | Oh, no sorry |
| 23:21.16 | rev|desk | that was good about the Newton 2100 |
| 23:21.22 | ivan_ | CyberCrypt: i can't believe this pda gets all these glowing reviews |
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| 23:21.39 | rev|desk | you cuold have it off power and sans abttery for 3 months and everything would be there exactly as you left it |
| 23:21.41 | rev|desk | ivan_: it's sick, no? |
| 23:21.43 | rev|desk | oi |
| 23:21.45 | CyberCrypt | it seems like it has a backup but it only lasts a few days with the power off |
| 23:21.53 | wParam | now my kernel occationally tells me to "check backup battery!" |
| 23:22.07 | rev|desk | too many people seem to be into cheerleading for linux rather than using it, so they don't even notice that it can suck |
| 23:22.46 | ivan_ | i wish i could build my own PDA |
| 23:22.50 | rev|desk | me too |
| 23:22.56 | rev|desk | especially because i already have my own OS for it |
| 23:23.04 | rev|desk | well, tehcnically more an OE |
| 23:23.17 | rev|desk | because it runs on top of Linux or WinCE (or any other desktop platform) |
| 23:23.27 | rev|desk | but by the end of this summer, i won't be using Qtopia anymore myself |
| 23:23.28 | rev|desk | just it |
| 23:23.30 | CyberCrypt | actually linux sucks because you have to fucking compile and install everything and dependecies get tough, but I prefer it 10 fold over windows. |
| 23:23.42 | CyberCrypt | it never crashes and it can do 10 times more for free |
| 23:23.58 | wParam | oh! that reminds me! I have to check up on why one of my mp3's has decided to cut its length in half. (compact flash on the 5500? Not smart!) |
| 23:24.11 | CyberCrypt | I developed windows apps for 10 years and have been in linux about 2 years and I never reboot to windows anymore at all. |
| 23:24.18 | ivan_ | i want a mac os x-like pda |
| 23:24.26 | ivan_ | without the slowness |
| 23:24.53 | CyberCrypt | well guys, I've enjoyed it but I'm about to repackage this thing and get out of here. have a good one. |
| 23:24.58 | rev|desk | i want a new Newton OS PDA |
| 23:25.02 | rev|desk | you could take the Newton 2100 |
| 23:25.04 | rev|desk | make it smaller |
| 23:25.06 | rev|desk | lighter |
| 23:25.07 | rev|desk | thinner |
| 23:25.16 | rev|desk | have the same size screen, but at 640x480 |
| 23:25.19 | rev|desk | in color |
| 23:25.25 | rev|desk | and it would rule to high heaven |
| 23:25.35 | rev|desk | imagine my shock switching from a Newton 2100 to the Zaurus |
| 23:25.46 | ivan_ | i wonder if the c700 screen sucks too |
| 23:25.47 | rev|desk | where i can't do some of the simplest things |
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| 23:26.05 | rev|desk | i mean, my Newton was basically a real computer- i used it in place of my desktop |
| 23:26.10 | rev|desk | and the Zaurus works for that to an extent |
| 23:26.15 | rev|desk | but i can't even take my lecture notes using it |
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| 23:39.15 | ivan_ | does the ipaq have a cradle? |
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| 23:41.19 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 23:41.23 | rev|desk | i mean |
| 23:41.25 | rev|desk | it can |
| 23:41.32 | rev|desk | the one i had doesn't, just a usb cable |
| 23:41.49 | rev|desk | but i bought it off of ebay |
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| 23:45.31 | zauruslover | anyone here in the bay area that has a C700 I can touch/feel/smell before I order one ? :)) |
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| 23:46.49 | rev|desk | haha |
| 23:50.12 | ivan_ | rev|desk: what do you run on your ipaq? |
| 23:50.21 | zauruslover | ibot seen mastermind |
| 23:50.23 | | zauruslover: i haven't seen 'mastermind' |
| 23:53.24 | rev|desk | ivan_: i don't have one anymore |
| 23:53.39 | rev|desk | i had one for a while for testing my OS/OE, but I sold it for the Zaurus |
| 23:53.46 | rev|desk | but I did have a Jornada 720, which also runs WinCE |
| 23:53.54 | rev|desk | well, I still have it, but i haven't used it since getting the Z |
| 23:55.20 | rev|desk | but on the iPAQ and then the Jornada 720, i ran regularily: under Dynapad: notes, Smalltalk IDE, names (contacts/addressbook app), dates (calendar), email, irc clients |
| 23:55.23 | ivan_ | i think i'll buy it from amazon and see if it runs the default stuff nicely |
| 23:56.41 | rev|desk | and under regular WinCE: the built-in Notes app, Perl/Tk, LaTeX, SSH, Telnet, fxtBrowser (a tabbed web browser which embeds IE), Dialect ( a scripting language with really awesome WinCE integration), Excel (and my own spreadsheet written in Dialect), the built-in addressbook and calendar |
| 23:57.24 | rev|desk | one thing the Z does a lot better than any PocketPC is web browsing... a lot faster on the Z under both Konq and Opera than it is on PocketIE with the same CPU speed |
| 23:58.31 | rev|desk | i was surprised to see that not many languages have ben ported/compiled for the Zaurus |
| 23:58.43 | rev|desk | that is, on WinCE, there are a fair amount of options if you want to program on the PDA itself |
| 23:58.47 | rev|desk | but not so for the Zaurus |
| 23:59.07 | ivan_ | the internet is down |
| 23:59.10 | rev|desk | i guess people like to just use C/C++ on the Z and continue to rely on their desktop for anything |
| 23:59.14 | rev|desk | oh, is it? :P |
| 23:59.27 | ivan_ | does ipaq have python? |
| 23:59.31 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 23:59.39 | ivan_ | i guess i'm set then, heh |
| 23:59.55 | rev|desk | you can even use it to do real WinCE apps too |
| 23:59.57 | rev|desk | i mean, like GUI apps |
