| 00:00.08 | absentia | ya, there's l ike 32mb free |
| 00:00.15 | _Psycho | well i dont think ker will release a lots of stuff |
| 00:00.22 | _Psycho | thats why i compile my own ;) |
| 00:00.30 | absentia | ah, who did the 3.3.1 image? |
| 00:00.35 | _Psycho | kergoth |
| 00:00.46 | _Psycho | but like i said i just recompile mine when new stuff is fixed ;) |
| 00:01.20 | absentia | well, I haven't had a chance to set up the linux compile |
| 00:01.23 | absentia | I don't have any linux computers |
| 00:01.27 | absentia | I do have a freebsd and solaris |
| 00:01.39 | rev|pc | i still have to setup the environment on my OS X mabhine |
| 00:01.45 | rev|pc | i'd like to try to compile a thing or two |
| 00:01.53 | _Psycho | if i get it working tonight i post it on a web site somewhere |
| 00:02.12 | absentia | k |
| 00:02.22 | absentia | ph: I know the feeling |
| 00:02.31 | absentia | I'm doing the same with wireless |
| 00:02.37 | _Psycho | compile should be over soon, opie is so long to compile etc |
| 00:02.42 | Zxcvb | kergoth: any idea why I would get "no video mode large enough for 320x200? |
| 00:03.05 | _Psycho | kergoth is on his way home |
| 00:03.08 | _Psycho | doubt he is around |
| 00:03.36 | absentia | I'm gonna reboot my WAP just for W&G |
| 00:03.46 | rev|pc | good |
| 00:03.49 | rev|pc | reboot the C700 too |
| 00:04.15 | absentia | it loskc up if I have the card installed when I reboot |
| 00:07.14 | absentia | no |
| 00:07.19 | absentia | oz doesn't even detect the usb connector |
| 00:09.28 | absentia | nope |
| 00:09.32 | absentia | even with a reboot |
| 00:09.35 | absentia | no usb working either |
| 00:09.47 | George- | funny |
| 00:09.52 | George- | I've just been called a "nerd" |
| 00:09.57 | cynTop | George-: nerd |
| 00:10.00 | George- | rofl |
| 00:10.09 | George- | by one of my best friends :P |
| 00:10.14 | absentia | irda isn't working either |
| 00:10.21 | cynTop | the cost of my c700 just went up $20 |
| 00:10.24 | _Psycho | hey love my background ? http://199.243.181.195/c700/opie-16april2003.png |
| 00:10.25 | absentia | my c700 is cut off |
| 00:10.28 | cynTop | fedex sent me a bill for customs |
| 00:10.55 | cynTop | sexy _Psycho |
| 00:11.05 | cynTop | wot game is that its familiar |
| 00:11.08 | cynTop | its not NWN is it |
| 00:11.14 | _Psycho | warcraft 3 |
| 00:11.16 | cynTop | yea |
| 00:11.25 | cynTop | elf chick sorc or somethin |
| 00:11.31 | _Psycho | elf indeed |
| 00:11.37 | _Psycho | thats the box i took at the store hehe |
| 00:11.45 | George- | _Psycho: which character is that? |
| 00:11.52 | absentia | how do you get the usb to work under OZ ? |
| 00:12.12 | _Psycho | never tried it yet abs |
| 00:12.19 | _Psycho | trying to buld image now, compile over |
| 00:12.23 | cynTop | I don't follow whats being asked |
| 00:12.28 | cynTop | does OZ not see the usb sync cable |
| 00:12.40 | cynTop | does it not have the usb-slave patches in the kernel? |
| 00:13.47 | ljp | George-: go to bed! |
| 00:13.53 | George- | ljp: no |
| 00:13.56 | ljp | :D |
| 00:14.08 | ljp | do you ever sleep? |
| 00:14.19 | absentia | ok |
| 00:14.25 | absentia | I now have no way to get data to the c700 |
| 00:14.33 | absentia | no ir, no usb, no wireless |
| 00:14.45 | George- | ljp: no :) |
| 00:14.54 | Pendalar | 'will you please sleep?' I think is the correct syntax |
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| 00:14.59 | ljp | hahaha |
| 00:15.11 | ljp | poor George |
| 00:15.30 | ljp | do kids in your school pick on you as much as we do? |
| 00:15.35 | George- | ljp: yes :( |
| 00:15.38 | Zxcvb | anyone else here having problems with SDL? |
| 00:15.39 | George- | ljp: worse |
| 00:17.07 | George- | ljp: even some of the teachers take the piss out of me |
| 00:17.18 | George- | =P |
| 00:17.26 | _Psycho | absentia you have a card reader ? |
| 00:19.18 | absentia | no |
| 00:19.24 | absentia | I had a chance to get one today |
| 00:19.27 | absentia | but it was too expensive |
| 00:19.41 | absentia | the moron wanted $229 for 128mb and card reader |
| 00:19.45 | absentia | as I was walking out |
| 00:19.47 | absentia | he said.. $150 |
| 00:19.49 | absentia | man |
| 00:19.55 | absentia | I still didn't buy it |
| 00:20.27 | _Psycho | haha |
| 00:20.30 | George- | rofl |
| 00:20.35 | _Psycho | card reader is like 20$ but anywya |
| 00:20.41 | absentia | I know |
| 00:20.43 | cynTop | depends on the reader |
| 00:20.45 | absentia | I want to get just a card reader at J&R |
| 00:20.47 | _Psycho | hmm so you cannot reflash your zaurus unless wireless work ? |
| 00:20.48 | cynTop | the multi readers are 40-50 |
| 00:20.57 | absentia | I saw one for $29 that was sd/mem stick and something |
| 00:20.57 | absentia | else |
| 00:20.58 | _Psycho | yeah i doubt a 8 in 1 at 70$ CAD |
| 00:20.59 | absentia | but not cf |
| 00:21.01 | absentia | so I didn't get it |
| 00:21.04 | _Psycho | ibot change 70 CAD to USD |
| 00:21.06 | absentia | yup |
| 00:21.17 | cynTop | so absentia you flashed it with oz after getting wireless working under sharprom? |
| 00:21.17 | _Psycho | ibot change $70 CAD to USD |
| 00:21.29 | absentia | well, I can flash back to default japanese |
| 00:21.33 | absentia | and do the english conversion |
| 00:21.37 | cynTop | ah |
| 00:21.37 | absentia | mght be worth the effort |
| 00:21.42 | cynTop | how is it you can do that |
| 00:21.44 | absentia | I can flash back to oz 3.3.1 |
| 00:21.47 | cynTop | you have oz on your card... |
| 00:21.51 | _Psycho | ibot change $70CAD to USD |
| 00:21.56 | absentia | didn't ker say that there was 32mb rom for that... |
| 00:21.56 | _Psycho | i give up ;) |
| 00:21.57 | absentia | ? |
| 00:22.04 | _Psycho | |i have a sandisk cf/sd reader too |
| 00:22.18 | cynTop | no the 32mb of rom is the base system |
| 00:22.21 | cynTop | it's not hardware rom |
| 00:22.23 | absentia | I'll get a cf reader tomorrow |
| 00:22.26 | cynTop | it's mounted read only |
| 00:22.28 | absentia | ah |
| 00:22.32 | cynTop | ro not rom |
| 00:22.35 | absentia | then I'm dead until I get a reader for my laptop |
| 00:22.38 | cynTop | it's just flash like evvything |
| 00:22.41 | cynTop | heh |
| 00:22.42 | cynTop | well |
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| 00:22.55 | cynTop | you could get wireless working, but from what i've seen the linksys has issuez? |
| 00:23.10 | absentia | I can't get the wireless working |
| 00:23.14 | absentia | no one will tell me any commands to try |
| 00:23.23 | absentia | and "just plug it in, it should work" doesn't work for me |
| 00:23.24 | absentia | :-< |
| 00:23.28 | _Psycho | cyntop its strange because my linsys work perfectly here |
| 00:23.30 | absentia | I don't have another card.. I went to 4 stores... |
| 00:23.35 | _Psycho | ifconfig |
| 00:23.35 | absentia | they only had the same card |
| 00:23.39 | absentia | and I don't have another pc to try the cf |
| 00:23.39 | _Psycho | see if you have a wlan0 |
| 00:23.42 | absentia | yes |
| 00:23.44 | absentia | I get wlan0 |
| 00:23.49 | absentia | I can give it an ip |
| 00:23.50 | _Psycho | with an ip ? |
| 00:23.55 | absentia | but all iwconfig commands fail. |
| 00:23.59 | _Psycho | my WAP give an ip by DHCP |
| 00:24.03 | absentia | well, I can give it one, manually |
| 00:24.06 | _Psycho | you have WEP enable on your AP ? |
| 00:24.10 | absentia | no |
| 00:24.37 | _Psycho | well iwconfig work here hmm |
| 00:24.42 | absentia | ok |
| 00:24.46 | absentia | let me install the wireless |
| 00:25.10 | absentia | card in |
| 00:25.11 | absentia | flashing light |
| 00:25.13 | absentia | solid light |
| 00:25.26 | absentia | machine is locked |
| 00:25.34 | _Psycho | weird |
| 00:25.40 | absentia | pull out the card |
| 00:25.41 | absentia | I can type |
| 00:26.20 | _Psycho | well dont know, my AP is a linsys too, i have DHCP enable, i plug my card in, i get an ip, and everything work |
| 00:26.26 | _Psycho | cant help much i guess |
| 00:26.32 | absentia | put the card in |
| 00:26.33 | absentia | ok |
| 00:26.35 | absentia | now it doesn't lock |
| 00:26.39 | absentia | I can iwconfig and see extensions |
| 00:26.45 | absentia | IO have SMC WAP |
| 00:27.05 | absentia | ifconfig doesn't show any interface |
| 00:27.23 | absentia | ifup wlan0 says already configured |
| 00:27.31 | _Psycho | ping work ? |
| 00:27.45 | absentia | no ips |
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| 00:27.59 | _Psycho | well try enabling dhcp in your smc ? |
| 00:28.06 | _Psycho | maybe it will work for a temp fix |
| 00:28.15 | absentia | hu? |
| 00:28.22 | absentia | I have freebsd with smc wireless card |
| 00:28.24 | absentia | uses dhcp |
| 00:28.29 | absentia | dhclient wi0 |
| 00:28.36 | absentia | win2k uses cisco cireless |
| 00:28.40 | absentia | dhcp |
| 00:28.49 | absentia | only the c700 won't do it |
| 00:29.06 | absentia | iwconfig says: |
| 00:29.37 | absentia | Warning: Driver for device wlan0 recommend version 13 of Wireless Extension, but has been compiled with version 12, therefore some features may not be available ... |
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| 00:30.25 | _Psycho | oh hmmm |
| 00:31.42 | absentia | what is the route add sysntax? |
| 00:31.49 | absentia | route add default 192.168.2.102 0 |
| 00:31.51 | rev|pc | for what? |
| 00:31.54 | absentia | I can't get a usage |
| 00:31.54 | rev|pc | a router? |
| 00:31.54 | absentia | or a man |
| 00:31.58 | absentia | for route on OZ |
| 00:32.01 | rev|pc | router add default gw 192.168.129.1 |
| 00:32.07 | rev|pc | but route can do many things |
| 00:32.11 | rev|pc | i am asking you what you want route to do |
| 00:32.20 | rev|pc | that line makes that ip your gateway/router |
| 00:33.13 | absentia | router isn't a command |
| 00:33.19 | absentia | but route addded |
| 00:33.22 | rev|pc | OI |
| 00:33.22 | absentia | I want to add a default route |
| 00:33.26 | absentia | so I could try to ping the WAP |
| 00:33.26 | rev|pc | a ROUTER is a thing |
| 00:33.28 | rev|pc | er |
| 00:33.29 | _Psycho | yep look like that |
| 00:33.31 | absentia | I can't ping my other dhcp machine |
| 00:33.33 | rev|pc | route add default gw 192.168.129.1 |
| 00:33.35 | absentia | yes |
| 00:33.36 | rev|pc | there you go |
| 00:33.36 | absentia | I did that |
| 00:33.38 | absentia | that worked. |
| 00:33.38 | _Psycho | route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:33.39 | absentia | :-) |
| 00:33.45 | absentia | 2.1 |
| 00:33.53 | _Psycho | well |
| 00:33.54 | absentia | for my SMC WAP ... etc. |
| 00:34.00 | absentia | but this should all come in with dhcp |
| 00:34.06 | absentia | but I think the card is what is not working. |
| 00:34.06 | _Psycho | yep |
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| 00:44.30 | absentia | I think |
| 00:44.39 | absentia | either my card is bad, or the oz kernel is broken... |
| 00:44.47 | absentia | it can't do any iwconfig commands on the card |
| 00:44.49 | absentia | at all |
| 00:44.58 | absentia | they all return errors... |
| 00:45.18 | George- | anyone want nightmares tonight? |
| 00:45.23 | George- | I just uploaded a picture of myself :P |
| 00:45.27 | George- | rofl |
| 00:45.29 | rev|pc | where? |
| 00:45.36 | George- | http://homepage.freeuk.com/eric.wright/pict0289.jpg |
| 00:45.40 | George- | I'm in my pyjamas though |
| 00:45.50 | rev|pc | hehe |
| 00:45.59 | George- | I took it about 10 minutes ago |
| 00:46.04 | George- | That's why I look totally blank :P |
| 00:46.06 | pHluid | OK, so check this out... I can ping my Z from the host computer... I can SSH and VNC into it... but I can't ping the host comp from the Z?! |
| 00:46.16 | George- | pHluid: er... |
| 00:46.17 | rev|pc | what is up with the RASH on your foot George-? |
| 00:46.25 | George- | rev|pc: I was sitting on my foot ;) |
| 00:46.44 | rev|pc | mmhmm |
| 00:46.50 | rev|pc | that's what they all say |
| 00:46.54 | _Psycho | pH maybe you need to route add default gw 192.168.x.x on your z? not sure |
| 00:46.56 | George- | and that bag is my archery kit |
| 00:47.10 | pHluid | Psycho: It's on there... Host computer is on 192.168.129.200 |
| 00:47.14 | pHluid | Route table on the Z is: |
| 00:47.21 | pHluid | 192.168.129.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usbd0 |
| 00:47.21 | pHluid | default 192.168.129.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usbd0 |
| 00:47.25 | George- | pHluid: sure the host comp isn't on 192.168.129.1? |
| 00:47.30 | _Psycho | oh, well dont know |
| 00:47.33 | George- | pHluid: that's what the host comp is MEANT to be |
| 00:47.48 | pHluid | George: It shouldn't matter |
| 00:47.54 | George- | pHluid: try it anyway |
| 00:47.59 | Zxcvb | how do I install exult in openzaurus? |
| 00:48.00 | pHluid | And this same IP configuration worked on my Win2k box at work |
| 00:48.07 | George- | pHluid: TRY IT |
| 00:48.26 | George- | :P |
| 00:48.32 | rev|pc | is opie-handwriting any different than the built-in Zaurus Sharp ROM character recognizer? |
| 00:48.32 | Zxcvb | . /usr/lib/ipkg/info/exult-zaurus.ipk.list doesn't exist, so it can't do the links |
| 00:48.33 | pHluid | Fine, fine |
| 00:48.35 | pHluid | one second. |
| 00:48.39 | George- | rev|pc: do you agree I look like an idiot? :) |
| 00:48.54 | rev|pc | nah |
| 00:48.56 | rev|pc | not an idior |
| 00:48.57 | rev|pc | er idiot |
| 00:49.02 | rev|pc | just a goofy 15 year old nerd |
| 00:49.06 | George- | rofl |
| 00:49.13 | rev|pc | but we were all one of those |
| 00:49.16 | rev|pc | thankfully no more |
| 00:49.16 | rev|pc | heh |
| 00:49.17 | rev|pc | :P |
| 00:49.21 | George- | bastard. |
| 00:49.26 | George- | =P |
| 00:49.28 | rev|pc | :)\ |
| 00:49.32 | rev|pc | er :) |
| 00:49.41 | George- | you're so crap at typing :P |
| 00:49.48 | rev|pc | yeah |
| 00:49.49 | rev|pc | i concurr |
| 00:49.50 | pHluid | OK, I can ping the Z, trying SSH |
| 00:50.31 | pHluid | Updated the route table... |
| 00:50.50 | pHluid | Can't ping. |
| 00:50.53 | pHluid | what...the...fuck. |
| 00:51.20 | George- | pHluid: it fucked. |
| 00:51.22 | George- | :) |
| 00:51.29 | pHluid | Oh, indeed, it is. |
| 00:51.31 | pHluid | INDEED. |
| 00:51.35 | George- | haha |
| 00:53.46 | CdtDelta | Anyone using a Linksys WCF11 and the SL-5600? I'm having problems with mine seeing my Wifi network |
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| 00:54.21 | George- | heya raster |
| 00:54.43 | raster | George-: moooonz! |
| 00:55.10 | George- | y'wot? |
| 00:55.10 | George- | :P |
| 00:55.27 | raster | moooonin! |
| 00:55.29 | raster | mornin' |
| 00:55.32 | raster | morning! |
| 00:55.33 | raster | :) |
| 00:56.02 | George- | hehe |
| 00:59.56 | Pendalar | should be the same as wcf11 with sl5500 |
| 01:00.17 | Pendalar | update the hostap module off unstable if you are using OZ |
| 01:00.36 | Pendalar | if you are using Sharp, beat your head with a rock and save yourself some time |
| 01:00.55 | Pendalar | I got sick of messing with it, finally got it going and kept crapping out on me |
| 01:01.10 | CdtDelta | Pendalar: Yeah, I was thinking about OZ, but I just got this thing on Monday, figured I play with it a bit before I went OS on it |
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| 01:01.30 | Pendalar | it's no harder to learn how to use the device with OZ than SharpROM |
| 01:01.43 | Zxcvb | is anyone here using the crow rom? |
| 01:01.46 | Pendalar | actually it tends to be easier since OZ is closer to the mental concepts of what a linux distro should be |
| 01:01.48 | CdtDelta | Pendalar: Except if you screw up, it won't run OZ or Sharp |
| 01:01.51 | Pendalar | (real sound drivers etc) |
| 01:02.08 | Pendalar | nah just have a media reader nearby in case you can't follow instructions |
| 01:02.26 | CdtDelta | Pendalar: Okay, I think I can follow instructions.... |
| 01:02.28 | CdtDelta | ;p |
| 01:02.38 | cynTop | CdtDelta: I'd say play with sharp so you know what you're missing - not much.... but you'll see some apps that you may want to install later |
| 01:03.01 | Pendalar | you'd be surprised how many people forget to rename the file(s) or put it on a ext2 Cf |
| 01:03.14 | CdtDelta | cynTop: My understanding was that OZ was more up to date than the Sharp ROM |
| 01:03.15 | Pendalar | or keep crying like a whiny ass 'why can't I do it on SD?' |
| 01:03.46 | cynTop | OZ is much more impressive |
| 01:03.51 | Pendalar | yes export the hancom apps and opera if you want them before you move to OZ |
| 01:03.53 | cynTop | but you should play with sharp so you appreciate oz |
| 01:03.58 | Pendalar | although konq > opera imho |
| 01:04.09 | cynTop | since it will undoubtedly have some things you dont like, or be missing something you liked |
| 01:04.27 | CdtDelta | Well, I haven't played with the hancom apps or opera yet |
| 01:04.30 | cynTop | good to see that the grass on the other side of the fence has weeds before changing yards :) |
| 01:04.31 | cynTop | yea |
| 01:04.43 | cynTop | play around, have a ball, install OZ and never look back :) |
| 01:04.58 | dougheck | lol |
| 01:05.01 | CdtDelta | Of course, the cradle is at work, so I can't really install OZ now anyway |
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| 01:05.20 | dougheck | can I get the neat games and apps that are on the sharp rom on the OZ system? |
| 01:05.28 | CdtDelta | Of course, it's also funny that I"m being told to install OZ in the Sharp zaurus channel |
| 01:05.38 | dougheck | hrm |
| 01:05.55 | dougheck | heck, the sharp dev forum has stuff in it about OZ |
| 01:06.08 | Pendalar | lol |
| 01:06.42 | Pendalar | it's all sharp zaurus, just maybe with a new OS |
| 01:06.48 | dougheck | lol |
| 01:06.49 | CdtDelta | So basically for OZ, I put the OZ files on the SD card, do the reset, and then wait? |
| 01:07.07 | dougheck | CdtDelta: you cant flash using the SD card, I think |
| 01:07.13 | dougheck | can you? |
| 01:07.23 | Pendalar | no SD no SD |
| 01:07.32 | Pendalar | (not yet technically) |
| 01:07.33 | CdtDelta | Crap....I don't have a CF card |
| 01:07.46 | Pendalar | go to walmart smack it down and grab a lexar |
| 01:07.52 | dougheck | CdtDelta: borrow, steal, beg, or otherwise get a CF card |
| 01:08.10 | CdtDelta | Does OZ use the same software to talk to the PC (ex. Win2K)? |
| 01:08.20 | dougheck | I think so |
| 01:08.32 | dougheck | (dont quote me on that) |
| 01:08.40 | CdtDelta | ;p anyone else? |
| 01:08.51 | Pendalar | you can use qtopia desktop |
| 01:08.54 | Pendalar | with OZ |
| 01:09.09 | Pendalar | but really with sshd and sftp why would you? |
| 01:09.12 | CdtDelta | Does that have the file transfer piece? I haven't installed qtopia |
| 01:09.19 | dougheck | Pendalar: lol |
| 01:09.27 | CdtDelta | Well, I didn't really want to put the sshd on the Zaurus |
| 01:09.34 | Pendalar | why???? |
| 01:09.43 | Pendalar | it's in OZ by default it's so good |
| 01:09.44 | CdtDelta | No reason to, I'm not going to use it |
| 01:10.06 | dougheck | CdtDelta: you will when you toast OZ :P |
| 01:10.09 | CdtDelta | Well, is there VNC for OZ at least? |
| 01:10.20 | dougheck | yup |
| 01:10.20 | dougheck | :) |
| 01:10.29 | dougheck | ~ipkg VNC |
| 01:10.37 | CdtDelta | Just got that working today, after playing around with three different fscking versions |
| 01:10.54 | Pendalar | fsck can screw you up ;-) |
| 01:11.01 | CdtDelta | ;p |
| 01:11.09 | CdtDelta | fsck is your friend |
| 01:11.28 | dougheck | FORMAT C: is your friend |
| 01:11.56 | dougheck | is there quake on the Z? |
| 01:12.01 | CdtDelta | rm -rf * is your drinking buddy |
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| 01:12.15 | rev|pc | dougheck: yes |
| 01:12.17 | Pendalar | yes but it's a bit slow atm |
| 01:12.29 | dougheck | cat /dev/hda1 > /dev/null is your father |
| 01:12.35 | dougheck | cool |
| 01:12.36 | dougheck | a bit slow? |
| 01:12.50 | Pendalar | needs fixed up heavily, esp maybe using the zsurface tools |
| 01:12.55 | dougheck | ah |
| 01:13.09 | dougheck | what other 3d games are for the Z? |
| 01:13.11 | dougheck | anything? |
| 01:13.16 | Pendalar | prdoom |
| 01:13.17 | rev|pc | UT |
| 01:13.23 | dougheck | UT?!!? |
| 01:13.24 | rev|pc | Pendalar: that is 2.5d |
| 01:13.24 | Pendalar | don't remember what all |
| 01:13.24 | rev|pc | :P |
| 01:13.34 | Pendalar | uhh UT? what are you on |
| 01:13.38 | rev|pc | ? |
| 01:13.44 | dougheck | unreal tornament |
| 01:13.48 | CdtDelta | So if I install OZ and the wireless card doesn't work, can I come back and scream and yell? ;p |
| 01:14.11 | rev|pc | there is that lil line drawn 3D app, UT- Ultimate Triangles |
| 01:14.16 | George- | I NEED HELP WITH THE QUACK |
| 01:14.20 | Pendalar | I don't recall seeing UT for Z |
| 01:14.20 | dougheck | the best game on this side of the planet (or was) |
| 01:14.20 | dougheck | CdtDelta: no, your forbidden to do that |
| 01:14.26 | CdtDelta | Crap... |
| 01:14.30 | George- | THE TO QUACK SISTER TIE ME UP |
| 01:14.36 | rev|pc | CdtDelta: no you can'not |
| 01:14.39 | Pendalar | cdtdelta I use a wcf11 on 5500 |
| 01:14.54 | Pendalar | install OZ, then install hostap-modules package off OZ's unstable feed |
| 01:15.09 | Pendalar | it will work unless something is messed up besides the pda and card |
| 01:15.20 | CdtDelta | Pendalar: Yeah, but I don't know if it's the access point, wireless card, or Sharp |
| 01:15.30 | George- | I NEED TO HELP FOR TO THE QUACK!!! |
| 01:15.42 | Pendalar | eh engligh only |
| 01:16.07 | dougheck | http://www.insomniq.com/files/zaurus/shots/quake.html |
| 01:16.12 | dougheck | pweety |
| 01:16.41 | dougheck | thats better grafics than my laptop gets! |
| 01:17.00 | George- | I never got Quake to run on my 5000D. |
| 01:17.10 | Pendalar | prob didn't have the pak |
| 01:17.15 | dougheck | heh |
| 01:17.24 | CdtDelta | Okay, when you do the C & D and Full Reset thing on the Zaurus, how do you know when it's done flashing the new ROM? |
| 01:17.28 | dougheck | off kazaa, anyone want one? :P |
| 01:17.39 | dougheck | CdtDelta: I think when the lights go out |
| 01:17.46 | dougheck | (dont quote me on that) |
| 01:17.50 | George- | --> boren|v2 (~asj@adsl-63-197-68-132.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #kde-devel |
| 01:17.51 | George- | <boren|v2> bloody hell |
| 01:17.51 | George- | <-- boren|v2 has quit (Client Quit) |
| 01:17.52 | George- | rofl |
| 01:18.00 | dougheck | haha |
| 01:18.55 | dougheck | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharp-linux/ |
| 01:20.04 | dougheck | ROFL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharp-linux/message/2 |
| 01:20.13 | dougheck | oh drats, you have to join to read it |
| 01:20.23 | dougheck | Subject: Pocket PC on Zaurus? |
| 01:21.41 | Zxcvb | too bad SDL doesn't work in openzaurus? |
| 01:21.53 | dougheck | whats SDL? |
| 01:22.02 | Zxcvb | prboom, exult |
| 01:22.08 | Zxcvb | graphics library |
| 01:22.13 | dougheck | ah |
| 01:22.14 | dougheck | oh |
| 01:22.23 | dougheck | why dont it work? |
| 01:22.23 | Zxcvb | in exult it says someting about "not large enough for 320x200" |
| 01:22.31 | Zxcvb | in sharp, it will just rotate |
| 01:22.35 | Zxcvb | in OZ, it segfaults |
| 01:22.38 | dougheck | haha |
| 01:22.40 | dougheck | hahahaha |
| 01:22.43 | dougheck | exult? |
| 01:22.54 | Zxcvb | dougheck: it runs ultima 7 |
| 01:23.07 | dougheck | and that is... |
| 01:23.13 | Zxcvb | dougheck: a game |
| 01:23.19 | dougheck | ah |
| 01:23.23 | Zxcvb | dougheck: which uses 32 bit real mode |
| 01:23.40 | Zxcvb | dougheck: so it won't even run with emm386, much less windows or os/2 or dosemu |
| 01:23.49 | dougheck | huh |
| 01:24.07 | Zxcvb | dougheck: it uses a trick known as 32 bit real mode |
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| 01:25.21 | dougheck | hey Taim__ |
| 01:25.43 | Taim | bah..sorry..already had a client open.... |
| 01:25.47 | dougheck | bya Taim__ |
| 01:25.52 | dougheck | lol |
| 01:27.32 | dougheck | ok, any other 3d games for the Z? |
| 01:30.19 | pHluid | Oh man |
| 01:30.22 | pHluid | This is really unbelievable |
| 01:30.26 | dougheck | yea |
| 01:30.29 | pHluid | Now I can ping the host box from the Z |
| 01:30.33 | pHluid | But not the Z from the host box... |
| 01:30.39 | dougheck | cool! |
| 01:30.43 | dougheck | whats the host box? |
| 01:30.45 | dougheck | 2000? |
| 01:30.55 | pHluid | XP |
| 01:31.03 | dougheck | ah |
| 01:31.28 | dougheck | dunno man, but its a popular thing |
| 01:31.43 | pHluid | Fuck it |
| 01:31.44 | pHluid | I can ssh |
| 01:31.46 | pHluid | I can sftp |
| 01:31.52 | pHluid | who gives a shit if I can ping |
| 01:31.55 | pHluid | I give up |
| 01:32.06 | dougheck | lol |
| 01:32.25 | Zxcvb | is anyone here using the crow rom? |
| 01:32.27 | pHluid | Still can't ICS or anything |
| 01:32.28 | pHluid | But fuck it |
| 01:32.32 | pHluid | I give up |
| 01:32.34 | George- | rofl |
| 01:32.57 | pHluid | I'm tired of fighting this fucking thing every day |
| 01:33.04 | dougheck | George-: roflshifomcastc |
| 01:33.06 | rev|pc | get a PocketPC then :P |
| 01:33.08 | pHluid | I'm just gonna ssh, vnc, sftp, and be happy about it |
| 01:33.10 | rev|pc | or better yet |
| 01:33.11 | rev|pc | a NEWTON! |
| 01:33.16 | dougheck | hha |
| 01:33.19 | dougheck | hahaaaa |
| 01:33.20 | pHluid | rev: OR MAYBE BASIC FUCKING NETWORK SUPPORT |
| 01:33.31 | rev|pc | such is MY POINT!!!1 |
| 01:33.57 | pHluid | I'm starting to think the vast majority of my probs lie with the USB drivers on one side or the other |
| 01:34.03 | pHluid | Either Sharp's USB drivers for win |
| 01:34.09 | dougheck | ewww, usb? |
| 01:34.14 | pHluid | or their/whoever wrote the USB drivers on the Z's side |
| 01:34.34 | pHluid | But I mean fuck |
| 01:34.39 | pHluid | Ping one way but not the other? |
| 01:34.43 | pHluid | That just doesn't make sense |
| 01:35.02 | pHluid | Espescially when bringing the network down on both sides and back up results in the OPPOSITE |
| 01:35.10 | dougheck | lol |
| 01:36.19 | pHluid | I really seriously take pity on anybody who bought one of these thinking it would be useful out of the box :\ |
| 01:36.37 | dougheck | I dint get a box |
| 01:36.50 | pHluid | I expected some work, fuck, I WANTED to hack around on a machine and break it and fix it and learn as I went |
| 01:37.13 | pHluid | Course I didn't expect them to be impossible to solve problems with the most basic networking |
| 01:37.20 | pHluid | But I digress. |
| 01:37.27 | dougheck | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:37.33 | dougheck | basilisk II on the zaurus! |
| 01:37.52 | pHluid | Where, I'll put it on CF and move it to this goddamn paperweight that way :P |
| 01:38.04 | dougheck | lol |
| 01:38.05 | mutexer_afk | do dell wireless cf cards work with the Z? |
| 01:38.07 | rev|pc | dougheck: too bad it doesn't work w/o X11 :/ |
| 01:38.14 | dougheck | rev|pc: oh? drats |
| 01:38.17 | rev|pc | i know |
| 01:38.19 | rev|pc | i was bummed |
| 01:38.21 | pHluid | Any of you have wired LAN cards? |
| 01:38.45 | rev|pc | someday perhaps there'll be a port to Qtopia |
| 01:38.52 | pHluid | I've yet to go wireless anywhere and I'm wondering what works with OZ as far as the cabled CF cards go |
| 01:38.54 | rev|pc | i'll just use old mac apps instead of Z apps |
| 01:38.58 | dougheck | I am looking for some apps that have some WOW factor, so my friends say I am totaly froody |
| 01:39.00 | rev|pc | perhaps more funcitonal in some cases |
| 01:39.01 | rev|pc | heh |
| 01:39.12 | rev|pc | ah |
| 01:39.13 | pHluid | Pretec looks like the recommended one from Sharp, the Socket cards also seem recommended |
| 01:39.20 | pHluid | Anything else? Anything wrong with either of those? |
| 01:39.32 | rev|pc | after getting it to work, i like my WCF12 fine enough |
| 01:39.41 | rev|pc | pretty cheap, ok batt life |
| 01:39.50 | rev|pc | not as good as the Sockets, but better than a lot of others |
| 01:41.31 | jwiz | whoa, new kernel module for SD? |
| 01:45.48 | jwiz | say, is there a faq/howto somewhere on connecting the Z to a linux box? |
| 01:45.53 | rev|pc | yup |
| 01:45.57 | jwiz | or rather, where is it? :) |
| 01:46.01 | rev|pc | aask google |
| 01:46.05 | rev|pc | i've found it that way pretty easily |
| 01:46.09 | rev|pc | can't remember where though |
| 01:46.15 | rev|pc | or look at the Z faq |
| 01:46.34 | dougheck | haha |
| 01:46.38 | dougheck | ~docs |
| 01:46.58 | dougheck | http://docs.zaurus.com |
| 01:47.22 | jwiz | smooth |
| 01:47.23 | jwiz | thanks |
| 01:47.34 | dougheck | ~add topic http://docs.zaurus.com |
| 01:48.02 | jwiz | what does going to the 2.4.19 kernel benefit? |
| 01:48.42 | dougheck | makes it work with your toaster, and makes the dishwasher happier |
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| 01:53.09 | jwiz | i was thinking there was something in particular that it would help |
| 01:53.11 | jwiz | *shrug* |
| 01:57.39 | pHluid | meh. |
| 01:57.47 | pHluid | just bought a Socket ethernet card |
| 01:58.02 | pHluid | Hope it works :) |
| 01:58.10 | dougheck | lol |
| 01:58.30 | pHluid | Good price on it though, $50 |
| 01:58.43 | pHluid | So even if it doesn't I can turn around and sell it or eBay it off and get my money back |
| 01:59.17 | dougheck | lol |
| 02:03.55 | nichos | Is there a way to make killefiz.de my repository? |
| 02:04.07 | nichos | so much good stuff, i download, then doesnt work, im guess dependencies |
| 02:09.31 | Pendalar | ugh how do you restart RH's version of apache? (httpd) |
| 02:09.46 | Pendalar | surely there's some sort of control like apachectl |
| 02:10.18 | jwiz | have you tried /etc/init.d/httpd restart ? |
| 02:10.18 | treke|home | /etc/init.d/httpd restart |
| 02:10.50 | Pendalar | I generally don't use this <explicatives deleted> |
| 02:11.15 | jwiz | i started out with Red Hat |
| 02:11.20 | jwiz | but I"ve seen the light |
| 02:11.25 | jwiz | of apt-get |
| 02:11.30 | Pendalar | trying to get a guy going with mhash in php |
| 02:11.40 | Pendalar | but that lead to more fun that I thought |
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| 02:14.43 | nichos | Is there a way to make killefiz.de my repository? whenever install something frmo there, it doesnt work - maybe dependencies? |
| 02:14.52 | nichos | does anyone else have troubles just installing apps? |
| 02:15.17 | jwiz | i've been having problems getting apps to be visible for install at all, on my sweetie's Z |
| 02:15.23 | jwiz | it has the sharp rom |
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| 02:16.36 | warmi | jwiz which apps ? |
| 02:18.18 | jwiz | well, opie reader for one |
| 02:18.18 | nichos | im trying to get http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~sialhaus/qpe-vexed.html |
| 02:18.18 | nichos | to install |
| 02:18.27 | jwiz | also, your NFDB :) |
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| 02:18.52 | warmi | NFDB doesn't show in installer ? |
| 02:19.07 | jwiz | actually, i can't remember if it didn't show, or didn't work |
| 02:19.07 | mutexer | warmi: when using a bitmap font with gapidraw.. is there no way to specify color? |
| 02:19.09 | jwiz | i suspect the former |
| 02:19.25 | warmi | specify color in what sense ? |
| 02:19.26 | FredZ | warmi - I got it |
| 02:19.36 | mutexer | the color of the text when calling drawtext |
| 02:19.50 | FredZ | thanks for your help earlier |
| 02:19.55 | mutexer | Im guesing it uses the color of the text thats in the bitmap |
| 02:19.59 | warmi | mutexer no, unfortunately there is no such option in GapiDraw |
| 02:20.09 | mutexer | thats what I figured |
| 02:20.10 | warmi | FredZ so what was it ? |
| 02:20.25 | warmi | mutexer I introduced that in ZSurface cause I thought it would be usefull |
| 02:20.37 | warmi | jwiz: you have Z 5500 ? |
| 02:20.37 | FredZ | I was trying to make it 10 lines tall |
| 02:20.50 | jwiz | yep |
| 02:20.51 | FredZ | all it could handle was 8 |
| 02:21.07 | warmi | FredZ: hehe.. well can't strech the screen :-) |
| 02:21.25 | FredZ | it didn't "degrade" gracefully. :) |
| 02:21.43 | FredZ | The thing of it is |
| 02:21.45 | warmi | jwiz: man ... I was trying to outsmart stupid ipkg with NFDB since the database it installs is pretty large |
| 02:21.56 | warmi | stupid ipkg requires 2x as much memory to install something |
| 02:22.11 | FredZ | the listvew won't shrink down past 5 or 6 lines |
| 02:22.27 | FredZ | which frankly surprised me |
| 02:22.31 | warmi | FredZ: perhaps it has an internal setMinimumSize or soemthing like that |
| 02:22.42 | warmi | FredZ: kind of make sense |
| 02:22.53 | warmi | on the other hand that list was designed for desktop usage :-) |
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| 02:23.05 | FredZ | could be - but I sure wasn't restricting it |
| 02:23.17 | FredZ | heheh - true |
| 02:23.29 | warmi | nichos : you know how to compile ZAurus apps ? |
| 02:23.39 | FredZ | you know, opie-irc is quite nice |
| 02:23.41 | nichos | warmi no |
| 02:23.44 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 02:23.49 | nichos | warmi i have an amd linux box here though;) |
| 02:24.00 | Pendalar | not really it doesn't support half the commands it ought to |
| 02:24.05 | Pendalar | bbl |
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| 02:25.38 | mewyn | warmi: i saw a huge funeral procession today on rt53. it was lead by a few palumbo and orange crush trucks, you hear anything in the news? |
| 02:26.18 | warmi | mewyn not really |
| 02:26.28 | arete | dunno about that but my funeral better have mtn dew trucks |
| 02:28.03 | mewyn | i'm guessing one of the higher ups in that company died |
| 02:28.13 | nichos | has anyone had any of this problem: when you ssh into your Z, and use the 'end' key, you lose communication? using linux, usbnet |
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| 02:33.56 | dougheck | oh dear |
| 02:34.04 | dougheck | http://docs.zaurus.com |
| 02:34.16 | dougheck | where did the topic go? |
| 02:34.30 | jwiz | i never saw it in the topic |
| 02:34.33 | dougheck | it was |
| 02:34.38 | rjune | Yay! that's it. thanks. |
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| 02:47.06 | warmi | hey guys .. does ipkg make sym-links when installing ipkgs or is that the GUI install tool that does it on the zaurus ? |
| 02:48.03 | ljp | gui |
| 02:48.21 | ljp | or ipkg-link |
| 02:48.27 | warmi | so using ipkg to install to SD/CF won't work |
| 02:48.44 | ljp | sharp rom? |
| 02:48.50 | warmi | yeah |
| 02:49.10 | ljp | oh. ya, you'd have to link them yourself |
| 02:49.30 | warmi | that's what I thought |
| 02:49.32 | warmi | thanks ljp |
| 03:00.51 | warmi | jwiz: uh .. can you tell me what kind of problem you had when installing NFDB ? |
| 03:00.59 | warmi | you couldn't install it or it wouldn't run ? |
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| 03:10.28 | rjune | I'm using RH9, I have the binary RPM from tcallawa, but I am getting unresolved symbol modules, can anyone give me a clue as to what module exports softnet_data and eth_type_trans? |
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| 03:40.25 | mspencer[away] | cool, it works! cd /mnt/card; dd if=/dev/zero of=.fstest count=65536; mkfs.ext2 .fstest; mkdir test; mount -o loop .fstest test |
| 03:45.26 | rev | night all! |
| 03:45.58 | mspencer | df now shows: filesystem: /dev/loop0 1k-blocks 31729 used: 13 available: 30078 use% 0% mounted on /usr/mnt.rom/card/test |
| 03:46.16 | mspencer | So I wonder if this is a solution for people who need ext2-type features but don't want to reformat their card. :) |
| 03:53.01 | gaurdian | what is ? |
| 03:54.38 | treke|home | mspencer: umsdos |
| 03:55.18 | mspencer | Holy crap! I just created a loopback filesystem on the built-in flash disk, mounted it ext2, created a swapfile on the ext2... |
| 03:55.30 | mspencer | mkswap failed...I had to move it to the SD card and mkswap it, then move it back... |
| 03:55.49 | Bala | why praytell?? lol |
| 03:55.50 | mspencer | but I did swapon and it actually added it as a swapfile! 'free' shows 14-ish MB of swap space now! ^__^ |
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| 03:59.37 | mspencer | OK, I started a few programs and confirmed it really is using the swap space, but then I realized... |
| 04:00.03 | mspencer | I told myself I was willing to sacrifice a $100 SD card in case swap file activity is much harder on the device than I thought...but I don't know if I'm willing to risk the device's built-in flash over this. |
| 04:00.32 | treke|home | $100 sd card is better than a $600 pda |
| 04:00.32 | Matthew_I | you can get hancom mobile from the hancom site |
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| 04:40.45 | CuCullainn | well time to install oz |
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| 04:46.30 | omooreonzaurus | i have an SL-5600.. tho the network applet rocks big time, there is one small annoyance that i'd like to remedy... |
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| 04:47.10 | omooreonzaurus | when i close opera web browser, it pops up the network applet dialog.. to prompt for a disconnect from the network... |
| 04:47.26 | omooreonzaurus | i simply choose not to clikc on disconnect and life goes on.. but |
| 04:47.41 | omooreonzaurus | i would obviously love to change this behaivor |
| 04:47.48 | omooreonzaurus | anyone know how? |
| 04:49.34 | CuCullainn | nope, i have a 5500, and using wireless, so I have no clue. |
| 04:49.50 | omooreonzaurus | yeah. the 5500 doesn't have the network applet |
| 04:50.14 | omooreonzaurus | netowork config on 5600 rocks in every way so far.. except for htis one small issue |
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| 04:58.16 | gaurdian | new rom for 5500 is supposed to have that |
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| 04:59.15 | CuCullainn | ok now im bothered |
| 04:59.26 | CuCullainn | now im having syncing probs at home... |
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| 05:58.15 | CodeYoddler | heh, I went biking around this neighborhood with my Pocket PC with a wifi card, I found 22 insecure wireless networks |
| 05:58.29 | CodeYoddler | I hope this Belkin wifi card painlessly works with the Zaurus |
| 05:58.33 | CodeYoddler | I really hope so |
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| 06:08.50 | omooreonzaurus | CodeYoddler... that's so dang common |
| 06:08.57 | omooreonzaurus | and it's so easy to secure |
| 06:11.15 | mspencer | oh yeah, that's right...ever since I bought this wifi card...when I bought a base station to go with it, I just plugged it in and started using it. Maybe I should...umm...^__^ |
| 06:11.23 | omooreonzaurus | i think i'll write a short howto on how to secure a linksys wireless router.. it needs to be done.. a quick an dirty on how to do what you can |
| 06:11.29 | mspencer | ess ID is still 'default' and everything :) |
| 06:11.37 | omooreonzaurus | holy sh*t what are you doing... |
| 06:11.46 | mspencer | I don't run dhcp at least :) |
| 06:11.51 | omooreonzaurus | mspencer.. let me help you out... |
| 06:12.01 | mspencer | naah :) |
| 06:12.03 | omooreonzaurus | easy easy to secure it (as much as possible anyway)... |
| 06:12.05 | omooreonzaurus | ok. |
| 06:12.36 | mspencer | I used to be a network administrator -- it just hasn't been worth my time to secure it. It doesn't really add that much insecurity, because I'm running public services anyway. |
| 06:13.36 | omooreonzaurus | sure it does... against the neighbor kid from browsing your machines.. hopefully you at least don't ahve a shared drive |
| 06:13.53 | omooreonzaurus | (via samba, etc) |
| 06:14.36 | mspencer | that's not insecurity :) |
| 06:14.51 | omooreonzaurus | i give |
| 06:14.57 | omooreonzaurus | not my machine :) |
| 06:15.37 | mspencer | Right. Different class of services, different implementation goals. My machines (except my desktop) are *supposed* to be wide open. |
| 06:16.26 | omooreonzaurus | openzaurus mailing list is quiet tonight |
| 06:17.17 | mspencer | OZ on my C700 would be nice too :) |
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| 06:25.44 | ro | eating large quantities of tofu and flax seed oil has given me a solid foundation on which to live my life |
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| 06:38.20 | Com[Plex | psshh.. loser |
| 06:38.55 | fliplap | odd, for some reason my Z will stay connected to my linux box for between a few seconds and a few mmintues, and then will randomly disconnect |
| 06:39.34 | fliplap | s/and/or/ |
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| 07:04.21 | yeiazel | plpo |
| 07:04.40 | yeiazel | errrmmmm |
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| 07:09.53 | crusher | Hi |
| 07:11.07 | yeiazel | lu crusher |
| 07:11.14 | yeiazel | er |
| 07:11.16 | yeiazel | hi crusher |
| 07:11.38 | yeiazel | crappy fingers, typing french words instead of english ones :) |
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| 07:12.35 | crusher | :) |
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| 07:58.00 | Pendalar | can someone tell me where does RH store the RHN password on the box? |
| 07:58.21 | Pendalar | this web guy is driving me nuts with his RH only box |
| 07:58.58 | Pendalar | he lost his pass, and the demo service expired because he didn't respond to some email.. now he cares that it expired but has no idea what the email was |
| 07:59.02 | Pendalar | er password |
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| 08:38.46 | pyromance | Gah |
| 08:38.48 | pyromance | Damn it |
| 08:38.52 | pyromance | Got a blister on my lip :P |
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| 08:43.47 | mark | George`ZZzz: what do you get in glxgears? |
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| 09:32.28 | ||ugh | Question: is there a way to make a RZ .ipk that fails to install unless another (requirement) .ipk or file is installed? |
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| 10:07.27 | simcon | hi, anyone noticed new zaurus releases on ZSI is getting a bit thin nowadays. i think we might have reached app saturation point |
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| 10:57.05 | ||ugh | Maybe, but we still have a LOT of work todo makething things stable, or really bullet proff. |
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| 11:00.56 | noidd | hey pheonix |
| 11:01.06 | noidd | hey is our favorite gentoo dev today? |
| 11:02.48 | phoen][x | heh, i quit |
| 11:03.06 | phoen][x | two days ago |
| 11:05.00 | ||ugh | Random question, how read the syslogs on RZ? In OZ one uses logread, but but... :r) |
| 11:08.14 | phoen][x | noidd: whats up with you? |
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| 12:34.58 | George`ZZzz | phoen][x: boo |
| 12:42.25 | phoen][x | hey george |
| 12:43.04 | George- | I've been given moderator access for the second time this week to slashdot |
| 12:43.05 | George- | bleh |
| 12:43.07 | George- | Woot |
| 12:43.10 | George- | I have no life :P |
| 12:43.22 | pHluid | And /. has no standards. |
| 12:43.38 | yeiazel | /. sucks |
| 12:43.51 | yeiazel | and /. moderators suck even more |
| 12:45.52 | George- | yeiazel: hey! |
| 12:45.53 | George- | :P |
| 12:46.59 | George- | http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/leech/trans/tw2.jpg |
| 12:47.00 | George- | whoa |
| 12:47.04 | George- | nice X hack |
| 12:47.10 | George- | true transparency :) |
| 12:49.33 | pHluid | X doesn't have any kind of alpha transparency as is? |
| 12:50.01 | yeiazel | no |
| 12:52.28 | ||ugh | Hey, anyone awake know how to read the (magic) syslog output buffer on a Sharp FLASH/ROM machine? |
| 12:52.43 | phoen][x | pHluid: there are two alpha-x'es around though |
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| 12:59.56 | George- | phoen][x: why'd you quit Gentoo? |
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| 13:00.55 | phoen][x | George-: burned out |
| 13:01.13 | absentia | morn' |
| 13:01.22 | George- | phoen][x: burned out? |
| 13:01.30 | phoen][x | yeah |
| 13:01.43 | George- | whassat? |
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| 13:03.42 | jumpkick | anyone know if the stylus for a handspring Treo will fit a Zaurus? |
| 13:03.45 | phoen][x | George-: well lets describe it like that: you put a lot of effort in something but after a long time you see that it's not what you wanted. |
| 13:04.16 | phoen][x | George-: you lose the faith in what you did. burned out. |
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| 13:06.32 | phoen][x | George-: i had the same feeling in dec02/jan03. i came back feb03 and last week i got the same feeling again. its something emotional - you don't work very efficient, you idle here and there. |
| 13:07.01 | George- | phoen][x: so basically, you're a slacker? ;) |
| 13:07.55 | phoen][x | George-: basically i have reasons, but basically i dont want to explain them to anyone but the gentoo devs (which i did) |
| 13:09.11 | George- | phoen][x: :) |
| 13:09.41 | phoen][x | George-: i wont leave irc though, i'm getting into a new project right now |
| 13:09.49 | George- | phoen][x: damn |
| 13:09.50 | George- | :P |
| 13:09.57 | phoen][x | :) |
| 13:11.05 | phoen][x | yay, time for short stuff. |
| 13:11.07 | pHluid | Oh huh |
| 13:11.19 | pHluid | That X server image isn't just alpha transparency |
| 13:11.26 | pHluid | the whole desktop is OpenGL and the windows are textures |
| 13:13.17 | George- | pHluid: damn right |
| 13:13.21 | George- | pHluid: :) |
| 13:18.56 | mark | ibot: seen catalin |
| 13:18.56 | | i haven't seen 'catalin', mark |
| 13:19.02 | mark | ibot: seen xxL |
| 13:19.02 | | mark: i haven't seen 'xxl' |
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| 13:30.51 | FredZ | hello |
| 13:31.20 | FredZ | anyone here know how to edit things on killefiz? |
| 13:31.30 | FredZ | it seems to be broke |
| 13:31.59 | FredZ | or is there another site to go to? |
| 13:33.15 | FredZ | anyone alive? :) |
| 13:38.03 | George- | no |
| 13:38.13 | George- | I killed them all |
| 13:38.25 | CuCullin | I gotta figure out why I can't sync.... brb |
| 13:41.07 | FredZ | anyone know why you can't edit apps on killefiz anymore? |
| 13:46.13 | absentia | edit apps? |
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| 14:01.11 | nerdboy | happy z-day |
| 14:01.20 | George- | z-day? |
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| 14:12.01 | CuCullin | ok.... it worked, it synced... both at home and on my laptop..... now it wont. |
| 14:12.06 | CuCullin | This is pissing me off. |
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| 14:22.25 | pHluid | CuCullin: If you're using USB, go ahead and throw the thing against the wall and save yourself the frustration. |
| 14:22.36 | pHluid | USB is pure... fucking...shit. |
| 14:22.39 | pHluid | plain and simple. |
| 14:22.50 | rjune | I'm having a bit of trouble connecting my Zaurus 5500 to my RH9 box, and was hoping to get a bit of help. |
| 14:23.41 | yeiazel | rjune: if you're using USB, just read what pHluid just said :) |
| 14:24.00 | rjune | I am. unfortunately that doesn't do much to explain. |
| 14:24.20 | pHluid | For a week I've struggled with USB |
| 14:24.22 | pHluid | I finally gave up |
| 14:24.36 | rjune | I can't load the driver. |
| 14:24.38 | CuCullin | Maybe so, but with 2 usb cradles.... this pisses me off :P |
| 14:24.58 | rjune | I haven't gotten to the point of actually attaching the cradle yet. |
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| 14:25.12 | pHluid | CuCullin: Take them back, exchange it, get a PocketPC or an iPAQ or something |
| 14:25.22 | pHluid | Seriously |
| 14:25.33 | pHluid | If you expect to use USB, you're in for a miserable disappointment |
| 14:25.46 | pHluid | Basic fucking network support is apparently just way too much to ask for. |
| 14:26.26 | pHluid | Everybody else in the world seems to. |
| 14:26.44 | CodeYoddler | Basic networking support in what? |
| 14:26.52 | pHluid | Over USB. |
| 14:26.56 | CuCullin | I didnt used to.... just happened yesterday |
| 14:26.56 | pHluid | I dunno if it's the Sharp driver |
| 14:26.58 | pHluid | Or OZ, or what |
| 14:27.00 | yeiazel | I've *never* used the cradle :) |
| 14:27.02 | mspencer | Damnit, my machine won't boot! |
| 14:27.05 | pHluid | But it's fucking terrible |
| 14:27.08 | rjune | darienm: what distro are you using? |
| 14:27.13 | CuCullin | worked in the morning, then it didnt work. |
| 14:27.14 | pHluid | Last night I could ping the Z but couldn't ping the host PC |
| 14:27.24 | mspencer | And what's worse, I'm going to be ignorant and claim that because mine won't do something, everybody else's in the world (except the people in this channel apparently) can't do it either! |
| 14:27.27 | darienm | rjune, sorry - using Win XP. |
| 14:27.27 | pHluid | an hour and a half later I got it so I could ping the host, but couldn't ping the Z |
| 14:27.31 | CodeYoddler | Pocket PC's networking also sucks |
| 14:27.32 | pHluid | Who can explain that to me? |
| 14:27.33 | CuCullin | Not here, not at home, nothing changed. |
| 14:27.38 | mspencer | oh, look, I tried a little harder and it's working now. It's cool, never mind :) |
| 14:27.45 | CodeYoddler | Seriously I can't get the Pocket PC's networking to work either |
| 14:27.52 | ljp_work | ha |
| 14:28.04 | pHluid | mspencer: Yeh, I suppose the FAQs, hundreds of mail list archives, etc are because everybody is just stupid. |
| 14:28.23 | rjune | the alloc_skb is exported by the kernel itself, not any modules, isn't it? |
| 14:28.25 | George- | argh, I'm turning into a /. junkie. I need help! |
| 14:28.28 | pHluid | I've been trying for a WEEK. The exact same settings that work one minute will NOT work the next |
| 14:28.54 | CuCullin | well, whats wierd is, I didnt have this problem with the one that got stolen. |
| 14:29.00 | ljp_work | ~lart George- |
| 14:29.01 | pHluid | Rediculous shit like the scenario above where I could ping one way and not the other then all of a sudden it reverses are NOT due configuration problems |
| 14:29.11 | George- | ljp_work: I have that ridiculous bot on ignore :P |
| 14:29.35 | ljp_work | Sugar: lart George- |
| 14:29.42 | George- | sugar can't lart ;P |
| 14:29.48 | ljp_work | bitch! |
| 14:30.04 | George- | mwahaha |
| 14:30.06 | CuCullin | regardless... what can I use to sync with oz+opie? |
| 14:30.17 | darienm | Sugar make George- a non-alcoholic beer |
| 14:30.18 | ljp_work | \kitchensync? |
| 14:30.40 | CuCullin | eh, works for when I'm at home, but niche software at work requires windows here on the laptop |
| 14:30.43 | George- | rofl |
| 14:30.48 | CuCullin | George-, nope, they never accept them. |
| 14:30.49 | CuCullin | :) |
| 14:30.58 | George- | CuCullin: I've had one accepted so far :) |
| 14:31.03 | George- | CuCullin: lol |
| 14:31.04 | CuCullin | same here, just one |
| 14:31.23 | George- | pending (1) |
| 14:31.23 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.23 | George- | rejected (2) |
| 14:31.23 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.24 | George- | accepted (1) |
| 14:31.25 | CuCullin | I had one that was denied, then 3 days later, popped up on the /. homepage |
| 14:31.30 | CuCullin | hehehe |
| 14:31.31 | George- | lol |
| 14:31.31 | CuCullin | see? :) |
| 14:31.41 | George- | one of my rejected ones popped up on the homepage too |
| 14:31.53 | George- | (Apple releases FCP4, Shake 3 and DVD Studio Pro 2) |
| 14:32.13 | George- | 20 minutes after I got rejected :P |
| 14:33.07 | ljp_work | well, cry a little louder about it, would ya? :) |
| 14:33.13 | CodeYoddler | Are Zaurus's hard to configure for wireless networking |
| 14:33.18 | CuCullin | nope |
| 14:33.31 | George- | ljp_work: NO! :P |
| 14:33.34 | CuCullin | I just popped it in.... worked fine |
| 14:33.59 | CodeYoddler | I wonder if my Belkin 802.11b |
| 14:34.12 | CodeYoddler | CF card will work with it |
| 14:34.38 | ljp_work | from /. "but then again, we aren't idoits." |
| 14:35.23 | Wintre | Hahahah |
| 14:36.27 | ljp_work | not sure if that was serious or not |
| 14:36.30 | pHluid | Those of you using USB via the cradle, are you using Linux or Win? |
| 14:36.31 | George- | rofl |
| 14:36.42 | ljp_work | linux and winders |
| 14:37.15 | rjune | ljp_work: what distro? |
| 14:37.31 | pHluid | darienm: Are you using ICS at all? |
| 14:37.41 | darienm | Yes, its required (far as I know) |
| 14:37.48 | pHluid | Um, no, it's not required |
| 14:37.56 | ljp_work | I use a custom kernel on mandrake and gentoo |
| 14:37.58 | darienm | Hrm, that's how I set it up. |
| 14:38.03 | ljp_work | and win2k |
| 14:38.06 | pHluid | It's helpful if you have. |
| 14:38.12 | pHluid | But it's not required. |
| 14:38.32 | darienm | Without ICS I had trouble getting the Z to the net thru the Win XP. |
| 14:38.33 | rjune | ljp_work: I'm not interested in w2k, I've got an RH9 box I'm having greif with. |
| 14:38.50 | CodeYoddler | I wonder if my Belkin 802.11b |
| 14:38.51 | CodeYoddler | CF card will work with it |
| 14:39.35 | ljp_work | I am using an olderish kernel with usbdnet source at opie.us |
| 14:39.55 | ljp_work | and call a script to start the zaurus connection |
| 14:40.49 | rjune | It won't build on my box, and the binary I found has a lot of unresolved symbols, stuff which I *think* is actually supposed to be provided by the kernel itself, not some other module. |
| 14:41.53 | rjune | stuff like alloc_skb. |
| 14:43.49 | pHluid | darien: Um, well yeh, without ICS it's impossible to get it out to the net :P |
| 14:43.56 | pHluid | But you can still synch etc |
| 14:44.09 | darienm | Right - but that's useless to me. I want to get the Z to the net. |
| 14:45.33 | pHluid | Me too brother, but I've only had that happen once, and it ended the next time I unplugged the Z. |
| 14:45.36 | pHluid | Never worked again |
| 14:47.20 | CuCullin | ljp_work, I used both |
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| 14:47.40 | CuCullin | linux @ home, windows @ work |
| 14:48.48 | George- | I refuse to use school computers because they run windows ;) |
| 14:49.08 | CuCullin | ok this is fucking with me |
| 14:49.12 | CuCullin | now its taking forever to boot |
| 14:49.12 | ljp_work | George-: make a knoppix cd for school, pop it in and boot it up |
| 14:49.18 | George- | I end up lugging my tibook all over the place (took me ages to persuade them to let a mac on the network) |
| 14:49.24 | George- | ljp_work: haha |
| 14:49.35 | George- | ljp_work: I think they've disabled CD booting |
| 14:49.44 | George- | ljp_work: and I'm not taking pram batteries out :) |
| 14:49.56 | George- | (they've padlocked the cases anyway...) |
| 14:50.03 | ljp_work | ok, make a knoppix boot floppy |
| 14:50.09 | George- | lol |
| 14:50.26 | CuCullin | fine, pick up a cheap laptop, and disconnect the monitor, hook it up to the laptop. :) |
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| 14:51.02 | CuCullin | ok, its stuck on the sharp logo |
| 14:51.09 | CuCullin | I think my new Z is fucked up. |
| 14:51.40 | George- | ljp_work: half the comps don't have floppy drives |
| 14:51.56 | George- | ljp_work: and I'd be surprised if the ones that did were bootable |
| 14:52.14 | ljp_work | well, there's probably a way to boot the knoppix cd from windows |
| 14:52.27 | CuCullin | ok, fixed that problem. |
| 14:57.15 | CuCullin | ok, now I fixed syncing |
| 14:57.32 | George- | ljp_work: heh |
| 14:57.58 | rjune | CuCullin: what did ya do? |
| 14:57.59 | George- | ljp_work: the windows systems have a VNC-like system which they use to monitor the screens of each person using the computers |
| 14:58.07 | George- | ljp_work: basically, the computer systems are bastardized |
| 14:58.15 | George- | ljp_work: and I'd rather use my TiBook |
| 14:59.27 | George- | ljp_work: I managed to "persuade" the techies that Linux on the school network isn't a bad thing |
| 14:59.51 | rjune | better then windows +Outbreak |
| 14:59.56 | George- | ljp_work: before, they were totally anti-UNIX (argh! our security system will go up the spout! Argh! You're a hacker!) |
| 15:00.19 | George- | ljp_work: and at one point they had a hacking scare and took my laptop off the network, even though it was connected using Win2k... |
| 15:00.43 | CuCullin | rjun, I did a hard reset, now it works. So now, I know it was something I installed, or a combination of things I installed. |
| 15:00.48 | George- | "They think I'm a hacker!" |
| 15:03.48 | CuCullin | ok.... what about for windows, what works well with oz + opie? |
| 15:04.20 | ljp_work | heh, littel do they know about your true 'hacking' skillz ;) |
| 15:04.48 | George- | ljp_work: yah, the fact that they are non-existant :) |
| 15:05.26 | CuCullin | My skillz are 3r33+ |
| 15:05.57 | CuCullin | I will |-|4x0r j00r 61b50/\/ |
| 15:06.19 | George- | 61b50/\/?!?!? |
| 15:06.24 | George- | gibson? :P |
| 15:06.37 | ljp_work | mel gibson |
| 15:06.44 | CuCullin | yes, "gibson" is not 3r33+ enough for me |
| 15:06.44 | George- | rofl |
| 15:06.50 | George- | ereet? |
| 15:06.52 | George- | hahaha |
| 15:07.54 | ljp_work | someone still needs to send me an ipaq |
| 15:08.00 | CuCullin | what the hell was their names together? CrashNBurn or something? |
| 15:08.21 | CuCullin | ljp, ok, send me $2000, and I'll be happy to send you an ipaq |
| 15:09.50 | ljp_work | thats not the deal, though |
| 15:10.10 | ljp_work | I'll take an ipaq off someones hands, and pay for shipping |
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| 15:11.20 | CuCullin | Oh. Well I don't have one. However, if you find someone silly enough to do that, let me know... I'd love to set an ipaq on fire. |
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| 15:16.58 | CuCullin | remind me not to do that again. |
| 15:17.17 | pHluid | Anybody know the default password for linksys routers offhand? |
| 15:17.28 | pHluid | their FTP server is slow as hell right now |
| 15:17.40 | CuCullin | isnt it password? |
| 15:17.47 | CuCullin | l: admin p: password |
| 15:18.46 | pHluid | Surprised it's like not like l: linksys p: 0wnz0rzj00!!11! |
| 15:18.54 | pHluid | Judging by my previous experience with them |
| 15:18.59 | CuCullin | lol |
| 15:19.31 | CuCullin | lynksys is not as 3r33+ as me. I made an mirc script to talk 3r33+! Muahahahahhah! |
| 15:19.34 | pHluid | But alas, I need a router, cause all I have at home is a hub |
| 15:19.34 | pHluid | ;[ |
| 15:19.46 | pHluid | And this one is just laying around here at work |
| 15:19.46 | pHluid | so |
| 15:19.49 | CuCullin | get a wireless router |
| 15:19.50 | CuCullin | ah |
| 15:19.55 | CuCullin | the freebies... go for it :) |
| 15:20.15 | pHluid | There's actually a lot of routers just "laying around" here |
| 15:20.22 | CuCullin | Hell, I got a 16 port hub for free because the ass in charge didnt want to wait the 15 minutes it would take for me to fix it |
| 15:20.29 | pHluid | but I don't really need a 32 port Cisco to hook my XP box and my Zaurus up at home |
| 15:20.29 | pHluid | ;[ |
| 15:21.11 | pHluid | This one is just a single port |
| 15:21.16 | pHluid | WAN -> LAN |
| 15:21.20 | pHluid | but that's all I need |
| 15:21.33 | CuCullin | well then, send the cisco to me ;) |
| 15:21.47 | CuCullin | which reminds me, I need to read more in the pix book |
| 15:21.53 | CuCullin | they confuse the crap out of me, I have to say. |
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| 15:23.55 | pHluid | CuCullin: You were close |
| 15:24.01 | pHluid | it's blank username, p: admin |
| 15:24.14 | pHluid | brb, flashing it |
| 15:24.55 | CuCullin | eh, close enough ;) |
| 15:25.06 | CuCullin | ah, wait a minute, admin/password is netgear, there we go |
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| 15:27.15 | warmi | hi |
| 15:27.19 | George- | heya warmi |
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| 15:38.14 | CuCullin | hrmm anyone know how I might get on the internet over usb, but without ICS? I cant use ICS, because of the network setup here. |
| 15:39.02 | pHluid | You have to use ICS if you want out. |
| 15:39.22 | CuCullin | damnit. Oh well. |
| 15:39.27 | pHluid | Why can't you use it, though? All it does is make the XP box act as a router... |
| 15:40.08 | CuCullin | wont turn on because the network im on is dhcp, so ICS turns itself off automatically |
| 15:40.25 | pHluid | Um... what? heh. |
| 15:41.57 | CuCullin | im not kidding, thats what happens |
| 15:44.14 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
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| 15:49.28 | pHluid | Cu: XP or 2k? |
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| 15:51.30 | Freddie | hello everyone |
| 15:51.40 | Freddie | anyone know what is up with killefiz? |
| 15:51.51 | Freddie | or linuxlinks.com |
| 15:51.57 | Freddie | linuxlinks seems to be down |
| 15:52.21 | Freddie | killefiz seems to be unable to edit or add apps |
| 15:56.07 | CuCullin | pHluid, xp |
| 15:56.53 | George- | can someone try connecting to http://zorian.ath.cx, and tell me what they see? |
| 15:57.08 | Freddie | sure |
| 15:57.14 | Freddie | I see a white page |
| 15:57.14 | *** join/#zaurus warmi_ (~a3c01502@dsl092-131-081.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 15:57.18 | Freddie | with a green background |
| 15:57.30 | Freddie | howdy warmi |
| 15:57.32 | George- | Freddie: nifty |
| 15:57.35 | Freddie | thanks for the email |
| 15:57.43 | George- | Freddie: so you see a SuSE Apache test page? |
| 15:57.45 | Freddie | george: Could you see if you can edit anything on killefiz? |
| 15:57.51 | Freddie | george: mmhmm |
| 15:57.54 | George- | Freddie: good |
| 15:58.02 | George- | Freddie: I'm a little busy at the moment :( |
| 15:58.08 | Freddie | ok. . . |
| 15:58.11 | Freddie | I see how it works |
| 15:58.14 | Freddie | I check something for you |
| 15:58.17 | Freddie | you do nothing for me |
| 15:58.17 | Freddie | :) |
| 15:58.33 | Freddie | :) |
| 15:59.59 | George- | heh |
| 16:00.11 | George- | gawd, I only asked you to try to connect to http://zorian.ath.cx ;P |
| 16:00.16 | Freddie | rofl |
| 16:00.24 | phoen][x | foo? |
| 16:00.29 | Freddie | bar? |
| 16:00.35 | George- | FUBAR! |
| 16:01.06 | phoen][x | or with other words: |
| 16:01.10 | phoen][x | I SNEAK PAST TO BUN!!! |
| 16:01.16 | George- | rofl |
| 16:01.30 | George- | I SNEAK PAST TO BUN TO SISTER TIE TO ME UP! |
| 16:01.52 | George- | HELP TO ME NEED! |
| 16:02.04 | noidd | George: www.goatse.cx is more ammusing |
| 16:02.04 | tux_mike | someone give him a sedative |
| 16:02.06 | George- | I NEED HELP WITH TO THE QUACK! |
| 16:02.10 | Freddie | ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US |
| 16:02.12 | noidd | George: but DONT go there - you're underage |
| 16:02.15 | mark | George-: quack off |
| 16:02.15 | George- | noidd: no thanks, I was caught out by that before. |
| 16:02.21 | George- | noidd: three years ago. |
| 16:02.28 | phoen][x | Freddie: move every zig |
| 16:02.29 | George- | noidd: by an asshole called "mgsander" :P |
| 16:02.40 | noidd | not that the content is illegal under UK law for you to see, but it will warp your fragile little mind |
| 16:03.03 | George- | -NickServ- Last Seen Quit Msg: "Connection reset by Jesus Christ" |
| 16:03.04 | George- | rofl |
| 16:03.26 | George- | noidd: I've seen it already. It's sick. And I never want to ever see that URL ever again |
| 16:03.29 | George- | noidd: it's heinous |
| 16:05.09 | George- | http://localhost/snapshot1.png |
| 16:05.11 | George- | er.. |
| 16:05.16 | George- | http://zorian.ath.cx/snapshot1.png |
| 16:05.19 | George- | like my desktop? :) |
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| 16:06.16 | George- | kergoth: ping |
| 16:06.36 | pHluid | I really dislike that KDE theme |
| 16:06.45 | George- | pHluid: Keramik? |
| 16:06.48 | warmi | George-: this link is not some sort of of hidden goatse bullshit is it ? |
| 16:06.58 | George- | warmi: no |
| 16:07.00 | George- | warmi: the zorian one isn't |
| 16:07.02 | Freddie | warmi: It is a png |
| 16:07.05 | pHluid | Geroge: Whichever that one is |
| 16:07.05 | Freddie | it is pretty safe |
| 16:07.15 | pHluid | I see it in a lot of screenshots, I think it's pretty ugly |
| 16:07.15 | pHluid | heh |
| 16:07.21 | George- | pHluid: heh |
| 16:07.31 | George- | pHluid: I've been using Keramik since it was first introduced to KDE CVS :) |
| 16:07.34 | warmi | well, these days I am wary of any domains that end with cx .. |
| 16:07.52 | Freddie | I don't blame you |
| 16:07.53 | George- | warmi: well, if you want |
| 16:08.01 | George- | warmi: it's also mirrored at zorian.kicks-ass.org |
| 16:08.03 | Freddie | I got hit with that goatse thing like 2 years ago |
| 16:08.12 | CuCullin | im waiting to buy www.shelovesd.iq |
| 16:08.19 | CuCullin | then, I'm going to auction it off |
| 16:08.30 | Freddie | was literally just back from a cross country trip in the airport and got a call telling me my message board was being spammed with it |
| 16:08.42 | pHluid | lower.than.your.mommas.iq |
| 16:08.49 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:08.53 | pHluid | damn |
| 16:08.57 | pHluid | .iq has a lot of possibilities |
| 16:08.58 | Freddie | they had done some javascript to make that horrible image pop up an infinite number of windows on your screen |
| 16:09.11 | Freddie | and each window would move the "X" away from your mouse if you tried to click on it |
| 16:09.26 | Freddie | so my windows users were (quite understandably) upset |
| 16:09.56 | George- | rofl |
| 16:10.34 | CuCullin | oh yeah |
| 16:10.35 | warmi | Freddie: yeah.. couple fo months ago I clicked on something on /. and ended up with literally dozens of windows with some porno and furthermore .. some of them had wav file playing in the background screaming something like "He is watching porn" |
| 16:10.49 | Freddie | oh my GOD |
| 16:10.52 | George- | warmi: ouch |
| 16:10.58 | George- | warmi: ctrl-alt-backspace ;) |
| 16:11.02 | CuCullin | lol I remember that one |
| 16:11.03 | Freddie | I guess I am happy I have headphones ONLY at work |
| 16:11.08 | George- | warmi: for use in times of emergency |
| 16:11.39 | warmi | heh |
| 16:11.40 | mark | hmm, this other X server is nice |
| 16:12.00 | Freddie | http://test-rzstud2.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/transluxent/tw4.jpg |
| 16:12.06 | Freddie | I like that particular X server personally |
| 16:12.07 | CuCullin | there was another one, too, "Hey! I'm Gay and Looking at Gay Porn!" |
| 16:12.11 | CuCullin | REALLY loud |
| 16:12.18 | CuCullin | I lmao |
| 16:12.21 | George- | Freddie: I linked to it about 4 hours ago :) |
| 16:12.32 | George- | Freddie: I beat you to it :P |
| 16:12.43 | mark | Freddie: that the open gl one? |
| 16:12.47 | warmi | CuCullin: hehehe |
| 16:12.51 | Freddie | george: good for you |
| 16:12.54 | Freddie | I guess I just have more of a life |
| 16:12.57 | Freddie | :) |
| 16:13.18 | George- | Freddie: outcast. |
| 16:13.22 | Freddie | heh |
| 16:13.25 | kergoth | George-: pong |
| 16:13.37 | George- | kergoth: what's the websuck command again? :) |
| 16:13.43 | Freddie | does ANYONE here know if killefiz is having technical difficulties? |
| 16:13.49 | kergoth | ibot: websuck is <reply> wget -r -np -m |
| 16:13.49 | | okay, kergoth |
| 16:13.54 | kergoth | there |
| 16:13.57 | George- | kergoth: many thanks ;) |
| 16:13.57 | warmi | Freddie: doesn't look like .. |
| 16:14.18 | CuCullin | lunch, bbs |
| 16:14.26 | Freddie | warmi: Well, if you try to edit an existing app or add a new one, the <form> tag for the submit button is simpy <form> |
| 16:14.30 | Freddie | no post method at all |
| 16:14.40 | Freddie | at least on all the browsers -*I*- have |
| 16:15.26 | Freddie | (be careful when you look - there are two forms on the page, the submit for edit/create is the second form) |
| 16:17.44 | pHluid | Are there any discussion boards for the Z?? Usenet doesn't seem to have anything... all I can find is the mailing lists for OZ |
| 16:17.46 | pHluid | There anywhere else? |
| 16:17.57 | Freddie | www.zauruszone.com |
| 16:17.59 | Freddie | forums |
| 16:18.18 | pHluid | ahh, thanks. |
| 16:19.30 | George- | FUCK |
| 16:20.18 | Freddie | is there ANYONE that can check on the killefiz form stuff? |
| 16:20.23 | Freddie | :) |
| 16:20.47 | George- | anyone here running an Apache server? |
| 16:21.14 | Freddie | um, about 130 of 'em |
| 16:21.17 | warmi | Freddie: yeah it is busted |
| 16:21.22 | Freddie | warmi: Ok, thanks |
| 16:21.36 | Freddie | warmi: Was trying to validate it wasn't my proxy doing something funky |
| 16:21.38 | warmi | the submision form has to action tag |
| 16:22.34 | warmi | George-: yeah.. I am .. as is about 10 million other people |
| 16:23.04 | warmi | "the submision form has NO action tag" <- that is |
| 16:23.37 | Freddie | I had translated internally |
| 16:23.37 | George- | warmi: can you tarball the "icons" subdir for me? |
| 16:23.37 | Freddie | :) |
| 16:23.40 | Freddie | my warmi filter |
| 16:23.41 | Freddie | :) |
| 16:24.17 | warmi | well, yeah .. English is not my native language so you know .. I tend to make stupid mistakes from time to time |
| 16:24.25 | warmi | George" ueaj |
| 16:24.28 | warmi | hehe .. |
| 16:24.29 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:24.30 | Freddie | warmi: For which you will never be forgiven |
| 16:24.36 | Freddie | what is your native language? |
| 16:24.39 | warmi | Polish |
| 16:24.42 | Freddie | ahh |
| 16:24.50 | George- | warmi: I thought it was Kling-on? |
| 16:25.06 | Freddie | well, I have often thought I should take the University "English as a second language" just so I could say I know two languages |
| 16:25.21 | warmi | heh |
| 16:25.32 | Freddie | I know some French and Spanish |
| 16:25.43 | kergoth | mewyn: ping |
| 16:25.44 | Freddie | and I can fake just enough Italian to order bread and cheese and water |
| 16:25.45 | Freddie | :) |
| 16:25.45 | George- | warmi: it'll prolly be in /usr/local/httpd/icons :) |
| 16:25.46 | warmi | yeah .. well, feel bad then cause I also know German and Russian . not to mention Czech |
| 16:26.01 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:26.16 | Freddie | warmi: That is precisely my point - in general, most Americans don't know other languages |
| 16:26.39 | George- | Freddie: define "other languages" |
| 16:26.49 | George- | Freddie: do dead ones like Latin and Classical Greek count? :) |
| 16:26.51 | Freddie | that isn't to say no one here knows other languages |
| 16:27.02 | warmi | George-: http://www.warmi.net/tmp/icons.tar.gz |
| 16:27.06 | George- | warmi: thanks a lot |
| 16:27.12 | Freddie | but compare people from other countries - they almost ALL know multiple languages - and they know them WELL |
| 16:27.20 | George- | warmi: I went and accidently rm -rf'd it |
| 16:27.22 | Freddie | not so in America |
| 16:27.23 | George- | warmi: heh |
| 16:27.35 | warmi | Freddie: that is to be expected .. most Americans simply have no need for it |
| 16:28.07 | Freddie | warmi: True - if each state in America had a different language (granted, some would argue they do. . . :), we would be more like Europe in that regard |
| 16:28.28 | George- | warmi: thanks! my webpages look a lot better now :P |
| 16:29.19 | cynTop | heh opera icons yea? |
| 16:29.27 | cynTop | ya should tweak em up |
| 16:29.59 | treke|laptop | Being bilingual in the US isnt all that easy. For the most part even if you are good with the language, you wont be for too long since you arent coming into contact with many people who arent speaking english |
| 16:30.15 | warmi | treke: yeah .. I mostly forgot German |
| 16:30.25 | treke|laptop | maybe if you could drive to germany or france for a weekend you could keep up on it |
| 16:30.26 | cynTop | and those you do are cursing or threatening or frustrated |
| 16:30.32 | warmi | these days when I try to speak German or Russian .. English comes out |
| 16:30.48 | cynTop | second languages in the US tend to degenerate to only be used when angry/frustrated/etc. heh |
| 16:31.00 | cynTop | now, if english is their second language, then you can get some exposure to the lang |
| 16:31.19 | Twiun | afternoon folks |
| 16:31.20 | warmi | cynTop: well, yeah I can stil swear pretty good in Russian |
| 16:31.29 | mark | Twiun: hmm, there is a 19" LCD Monitor for sale for £400 |
| 16:31.36 | George- | hey Twiun |
| 16:31.43 | George- | Twiun: you get up at 5:30pm? slob |
| 16:32.10 | Twiun | George-: was at work at 8am, so can it |
| 16:32.18 | George- | :) |
| 16:32.28 | Twiun | mark: nice... shame I can't afford any new hardware |
| 16:32.43 | mark | Twiun: 19" CRT for £100 |
| 16:33.20 | Twiun | mark: saving up for that epia bundle at £125 |
| 16:33.55 | mark | 128Mb CF for £20 |
| 16:33.58 | mark | Twiun: whats that? |
| 16:34.38 | mark | 512Mb USB Pen Drive for £85. neat |
| 16:34.55 | mark | just remove that from your system when the police arrive :) |
| 16:35.24 | Freddie | what you need is a 512MB bluetooth pen |
| 16:35.27 | Twiun | mark: http://mini-itx.com/store/default.asp?c=15#p134 |
| 16:35.32 | Freddie | just leave it in your pocket when the police arrive |
| 16:35.32 | Freddie | :) |
| 16:35.42 | Twiun | best chew it when the police arrives:) |
| 16:35.48 | Freddie | rofl |
| 16:35.59 | mark | Twiun: watcha want that for? |
| 16:36.30 | mark | http://www.rlsupplies.co.uk/item1887.htm |
| 16:36.32 | Twiun | mark: v.cheap and quiet server |
| 16:36.51 | Twiun | mark: can run fanless |
| 16:38.22 | mark | Twiun: how quick are those things? |
| 16:40.16 | Twiun | mark: http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboard/20030326/mini_itx-02.html |
| 16:40.31 | Twiun | mark: bit slower than the equivalent intel MHz |
| 16:42.35 | mark | Twiun: make a cluster! |
| 16:43.10 | Twiun | mark: but then again, the cpu only uses 9 to 15 watts, compared to a the intel equ which eats about 75W |
| 16:43.53 | mark | Twiun: how significant in overall power usage is the cpu? |
| 16:44.00 | George- | Twiun: is that a Via C3 or a Crusoe? |
| 16:44.10 | Freddie | mark: There is cpu, and then there is backlight |
| 16:44.15 | Freddie | everything else is cake |
| 16:44.38 | mark | Freddie: hard disk? |
| 16:44.40 | Twiun | George-: Via C3 or eden - didn't know there was a crusoe solution too |
| 16:45.03 | George- | Twiun: I didn't say there *was* a crusoe solution :P |
| 16:45.07 | George- | Twiun: hehe |
| 16:45.12 | Twiun | mark: hd is power hungry too - but you can spin it down |
| 16:45.44 | Twiun | mark: consider this, an epia based pc uses about 20W tops, compared to an athlon at 300W (say 250W) |
| 16:46.17 | Twiun | mark: you can also use laptop hard disks instead of fullsize ones |
| 16:46.37 | Freddie | mark: Not so much |
| 16:46.54 | mark | Twiun: heh, if i payed the electricity bill maybe i'd look into those :) |
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| 16:47.58 | Twiun | mark: I'm really in it for the heat+sound argument |
| 16:48.06 | Twiun | mark: otherwise I'd try finding something else |
| 16:50.38 | aby_Z | hi, I'm looking for developer documentation for Calendar. Anyone knows where I can obtain one? |
| 16:50.59 | treke|laptop | the source |
| 16:51.39 | CuCullin | thats why ill be using the c3 in my car, heat. |
| 16:52.38 | mark | Twiun: an athlon asves on the central heating bill :) |
| 16:52.53 | Twiun | mark: you think it's more efficient than gas? |
| 16:52.58 | treke|laptop | your best of looking at the opie source from early last year. It resembles the zaurus. The current code in oie and qtopia 1.6 are a bit different |
| 16:53.07 | mark | Twiun: i doubt it :) |
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| 16:56.29 | aby_Z | do u mean the kernel source? |
| 16:57.06 | treke|laptop | aby_Z: no. The qtopia source |
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| 17:06.09 | aby_Z | The Open Source SDK for Qtopia as in http://www.zaurus.com/dev/tools/qtctools.htm |
| 17:07.06 | treke|laptop | no. that's the software development kit |
| 17:07.14 | treke|laptop | That doesnt have the calender source in it |
| 17:07.58 | aby_Z | Can u point me to the right direction, please? |
| 17:09.23 | treke|laptop | opie.handhelds.org. |
| 17:09.36 | treke|laptop | click on code. Check out the source from around Feb 2002 |
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| 17:26.10 | aby_Z | 5ok, I've found it. Thanks. |
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| 17:32.45 | mark | grr, i'm getting people emailing me asking for the ti 85 rom |
| 17:32.48 | mark | ibot: zTi85emu |
| 17:32.48 | | mark: i haven't a clue |
| 17:32.54 | mark | ibot: ti-85 rom |
| 17:32.54 | | mark: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:33.01 | mark | ibot: ti85 rom |
| 17:33.02 | | downloading and usage of this ROM is illegal. Your nick, IP address and email have been recorded and passed on to Texas Instruments. http://www.lofi-gaming.org.uk/emulation/essentialfiles.shtml |
| 17:33.15 | Pendalar | lol |
| 17:33.34 | Pendalar | I had a ti85, get a 89 rom =-P |
| 17:33.41 | pHluid | Downloading a ROM isn't illegal :P |
| 17:33.46 | pHluid | Silly bot. |
| 17:33.53 | mark | pHluid: i know, but i thought it could scare people :) |
| 17:34.02 | Pendalar | depends on if you own it or not and use it |
| 17:34.40 | pHluid | Even just downloading it isn't necessarily illegal, even if you don't own it |
| 17:34.55 | pHluid | Using it definately would be :) |
| 17:36.42 | Pendalar | I still like my ti89, basic is just fun to revert back to when you occassionally get pissed at pointers and crosscompiling etc |
| 17:38.06 | mark | ti89s rock |
| 17:38.12 | mark | shame they're banned in exams |
| 17:40.12 | Pendalar | they weren't in mine |
| 17:40.29 | Pendalar | teachers thought 'if it doesn't have a qwerty keyboard, it can not be used to cheat' |
| 17:40.43 | Pendalar | I had my entire textbook typed up in it for exam day |
| 17:40.47 | Pendalar | so sweet |
| 17:42.43 | pHluid | Hah, friend of mine... |
| 17:42.51 | pHluid | You're allowed to use calculators on his physics exams |
| 17:43.04 | pHluid | He had his Z on the campus WiFi with his friend feeding him answers over IRC |
| 17:43.21 | pHluid | Then just swapped back to the calc app whenever the TA walked by |
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| 17:44.55 | Pendalar | nice |
| 17:45.15 | cynTop | hey, in the real world when solving problems you can ask ppl |
| 17:45.22 | cynTop | so, whatever works :P |
| 17:45.30 | pHluid | Heh |
| 17:45.32 | Pendalar | I'd rather just search for a string, in case someone's tcp con craps out |
| 17:45.32 | cynTop | still, it's better to actually be able to do the damned stuff |
| 17:45.41 | Pendalar | because a TI's battery is dependable |
| 17:45.56 | Pendalar | if only I got the same amount of uptime out of my zaurus as a TI ;-) |
| 17:46.19 | Pendalar | nah this was for core classes what I did.. economics and crap |
| 17:46.29 | Pendalar | no point for a CIS/EET degree me thinks |
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| 17:50.06 | Pendalar | Jack the Uni-Psychle still cracks me up |
| 17:55.10 | mutexer | Pendalar: the name or the game? |
| 17:56.07 | treke|laptop | does it use any asm in it? |
| 17:56.54 | mutexer | Zsurface uses ASM... I use it for graphics drawing |
| 17:57.01 | treke|laptop | ah darn |
| 17:57.11 | Pendalar | the game |
| 17:57.15 | kergoth | treke|laptop: whats wrong with the use of asm? |
| 17:57.19 | mutexer | treke: Why? |
| 17:57.34 | treke|laptop | kergoth: I wanted to compile it for my laptop :) |
| 17:57.37 | Pendalar | asm is your friend as long as you don't have to do the coding |
| 17:57.43 | treke|laptop | I'm stuck sitting here with very little to do :) |
| 17:57.55 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:57.59 | mutexer | treke|laptop: itll run in qvfb |
| 17:57.59 | Pendalar | how's about emulating the zaurus on the laptop? |
| 17:58.07 | mutexer | you got to download Zsurface tghough |
| 17:58.12 | kergoth | Pendalar: not going to happen. |
| 17:58.25 | mutexer | or uyou can wait till I release the Linux PC version :) |
| 17:58.36 | treke|laptop | mutexer: I thought it was just straight sdl |
| 17:58.39 | Pendalar | I meant the fb, was being general |
| 17:58.47 | mutexer | then you can have full screen on your laptop |
| 17:58.56 | mutexer | the only trhink I use sdl for is sound |
| 17:59.00 | mutexer | thing* |
| 17:59.23 | mutexer | thr linux PC port will probably use SDL |
| 18:01.03 | Pendalar | might as well, no point in extra trouble |
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| 18:02.17 | Zxcvb | any crow rom users here? |
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| 18:07.07 | warmi_away | treke: SDL for the zaurus is too slow .. |
| 18:07.50 | warmi_away | on the other hand .. for the desktop it doesn't matter heh |
| 18:07.55 | warmi_away | desktop machines are plently fastr |
| 18:08.05 | treke|laptop | maybe I should have loaded nwn on |
| 18:08.07 | treke|laptop | dammit |
| 18:08.53 | tux_mike | nwn on what? |
| 18:09.32 | Neo|Work | warmi_away: often using SDL is slow on the desktop |
| 18:09.37 | treke|laptop | tux_mike: my laptop |
| 18:09.47 | tux_mike | can it run on your laptop? |
| 18:09.57 | Neo|Work | but often that's because you do all rendering in 32 bpp or need to do a 16->32 bpp conversion on the final blit |
| 18:09.57 | treke|laptop | dunno |
| 18:11.01 | tux_mike | what kind of processor and video card are in it? |
| 18:11.08 | warmi_away | Neo|Work: well, could be .. but generally for games like Jack the Uni-Psyche it should't matter considering the power of CPUs in todays desktop machines |
| 18:11.18 | Zxcvb | SDL on the zaurus doesn't work right with openzaurus |
| 18:11.22 | treke|laptop | tux_mike: celeron 933. Radeon Mobility M6 |
| 18:11.27 | Zxcvb | something about no video modes large enough for 320x200 |
| 18:11.29 | Neo|Work | warmi_away: depends on the resolution |
| 18:11.38 | Neo|Work | and desired lower requirements |
| 18:11.48 | Zxcvb | Neo|Work: too bad 320x200 in SDL doesn't work in openzaurus |
| 18:11.49 | warmi_away | Neo|Work: I would think that even 1024x768 would run fine on a , say, 2 GHZ machine |
| 18:11.55 | Neo|Work | Hyperspace Delivery Boy has issues on Linux desktops when using 32 bpp gfx |
| 18:12.12 | warmi_away | uh ... then you are right .. SDL for the desktop IS slow :-) |
| 18:12.20 | Neo|Work | Zxcvb: it should work, but having an actual screen size of 320x240 |
| 18:12.24 | Neo|Work | higher than that however doesn't work |
| 18:12.35 | Zxcvb | Neo|Work: "no video modes large enough for 320x200" |
| 18:12.38 | tux_mike | is the m6 radeon based, or r128 based? |
| 18:12.42 | Neo|Work | warmi_away: however it's slow because it's software blitting not because it's slow in general |
| 18:12.45 | Zxcvb | Neo|Work: works fine on the sharp rom, though |
| 18:12.55 | pHluid | M6? |
| 18:13.04 | pHluid | 007? James Bond? |
| 18:13.06 | Neo|Work | like HDB runs very nicely on my P3-500 laptop at 16 bpp, but runs slow on the 1.2 GHz Athlon at 32 bpp |
| 18:13.10 | pHluid | Q on the back-end? |
| 18:13.42 | Zxcvb | Neo|Work: and yes, I tried manually rotating the screen before running it, 320x200 still doesn't work on openzaurus |
| 18:14.09 | Neo|Work | strange |
| 18:14.14 | Neo|Work | fix it. :-) |
| 18:14.41 | Neo|Work | I keep having to fix things because ppl try to fix things in the absolute wrong way |
| 18:15.03 | Zxcvb | Neo|Work: it's a bug in openzaurus |
| 18:15.40 | Zxcvb | Neo|Work: prboom fails unless I do cd /opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom; /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/prboom (i.e. it requires doom2.wad to be in the current directory) |
| 18:16.16 | treke|laptop | that's a prboom bug |
| 18:16.38 | Zxcvb | treke|laptop: why does it only happen in openzaurus? |
| 18:17.02 | pHluid | Zx: How well does prboom run? |
| 18:17.04 | Zxcvb | treke|laptop: the same with SDL not working at 320x200 |
| 18:17.13 | Zxcvb | pHluid: fine on the sharp rom, and I assume crow |
| 18:17.20 | Zxcvb | pHluid: not at all in openzaurus 3.2 |
| 18:17.37 | pHluid | Runs decent on the hardware though? |
| 18:17.51 | Zxcvb | pHluid: hard to play, but otherwise decent |
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| 18:18.11 | Zxcvb | does anyone know if the crow rom includes hancom, opera, and jeode? |
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| 18:22.23 | George- | argh! It's ljp! Run for your lives! |
| 18:23.57 | mark | argh! its George-! kill yourself! |
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| 18:24.46 | ljp | hmmmm, I sense some pent up animosity in here |
| 18:24.47 | XavierXeon | argh! its argh! time again |
| 18:27.03 | kergoth`lunch | 13:17 < Zxcvb> treke|laptop: the same with SDL not working at 320x200 <-'the same with'? you're drawing lines between completely independent and unrelated problems. |
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| 18:32.25 | Zxcvb | kergoth`lunch: both occur with openzaurus, but not with sharp |
| 18:32.29 | kergoth`lunch | and? |
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| 18:32.41 | kergoth`lunch | you're dealing with completely different prboom and sdl packages. |
| 18:32.43 | kergoth`lunch | its night & day. |
| 18:33.24 | Zxcvb | kergoth`lunch: the SDL bug occurs both with the OZ feed, and the older 1.2.6-cvs packages |
| 18:33.42 | kergoth`lunch | what older packages? |
| 18:34.00 | kergoth`lunch | every sdl package ever built for OZ is flawed. |
| 18:34.44 | Zxcvb | kergoth`lunch: www.gnurou.org/software/zaurus/ |
| 18:35.06 | Zxcvb | kergoth`lunch: works perfectly on the sharp rom, but fails in openzaurus as it thinks 320x200 is not a usable video mode |
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| 18:35.25 | kergoth`lunch | well OZ uses identical fb drivers to sharp. its not an OZ problem. |
| 18:35.38 | kergoth`lunch | have you tried any sdl packages other than prboom? |
| 18:35.41 | tboc | btw. how do i force ipkg to downgrade a package? |
| 18:35.50 | Zxcvb | kergoth`lunch: exult wouldn't link |
| 18:35.52 | George- | --force-reinstall? |
| 18:35.54 | kergoth`lunch | tboc: you dont. ipkg sucks. vi /usr/lib/ipkg/status and change its version |
| 18:35.58 | kergoth`lunch | Zxcvb: ? |
| 18:36.08 | tboc | kergoth`lunch: ah, ok |
| 18:36.09 | Zxcvb | kergoth`lunch: couldn't find /usr/lib/ipkg/info/exult-zaurus.ipk.list |
| 18:36.16 | digitalnick__ | how would i restore my interfaces file if it disappears? |
| 18:36.16 | kergoth`lunch | Zxcvb: that means it failed to install |
| 18:36.21 | kergoth`lunch | Zxcvb: not that it wasnt able to link. |
| 18:36.33 | kergoth`lunch | Zxcvb: it helps if you completely understand the nature of aproblem before making conclusions. |
| 18:36.50 | George- | can I start talking in hex? |
| 18:36.51 | George- | :P |
| 18:36.59 | kergoth`lunch | digitalnick__: reinstall ifupdown |
| 18:38.14 | Zxcvb | kergoth`lunch: does ipkg not support installing old style ipkgs to anything other than root? |
| 18:38.30 | kergoth`lunch | ipkg installs either to multiple dests without a problem. |
| 18:38.40 | kergoth`lunch | if its failing, its not because of that |
| 18:38.47 | pHluid | Zxcvb: A forum post I'm looking at on doom says if you install the regular SDL from docs.zaurus.com, prboom will run |
| 18:38.51 | kergoth`lunch | unless of course your media is vfat or somethign silly like that. |
| 18:39.20 | kergoth`lunch | pHluid: that wouldnt surprise me |
| 18:39.23 | tboc | "ERROR: Package ipkg (parent ipkg) is not available from any configured src." but i got the unstable feed in ipkg.conf ... |
| 18:39.31 | kergoth | tboc: readt hemailing list archives |
| 18:39.46 | tboc | kergoth: argh, so many posts ;) |
| 18:40.09 | kergoth | yeah no kidding, the list is getting a shitload of traffic nowadays |
| 18:40.34 | tboc | kergoth: can i solve the problem by flashing the Z once more and ipkg upgrade with the unstable feed? |
| 18:40.34 | Zxcvb | pHluid: got a URL? |
| 18:40.48 | kergoth | tboc: no. |
| 18:40.54 | tboc | :( |
| 18:41.17 | kergoth | tboc: mkdir /etc/ipkg; echo 'arch armv4l-collie 50' >> /etc/ipkg/arch.conf; echo 'arch collie 100' >> /etc/ipkg/arch.conf; |
| 18:41.27 | kergoth | tboc: then you will be able to install packages from unstable |
| 18:41.33 | tboc | kergoth: ok thx |
| 18:41.35 | kergoth | np |
| 18:42.34 | tboc | kergoth: already got this line in /etc/ipkg/arch.conf |
| 18:43.18 | pHluid | Zxcvb: http://docs.zaurus.com/feed/libSDL_1.2.5cvs-1_arm.ipk |
| 18:43.54 | kergoth | tboc: then packages should install.. |
| 18:44.18 | tboc | kergoth: well that's nice :) |
| 18:44.33 | kergoth | whats the exact command you're running |
| 18:44.37 | kergoth | and the exact error messages |
| 18:44.37 | Zxcvb | pHluid: 1.2.6-cvs works on sharp |
| 18:44.44 | Zxcvb | pHluid: going to try the crow rom now |
| 18:44.56 | kergoth | numatrix: you around? |
| 18:45.08 | pHluid | Zx: I've got 1.2.6 on mine right now (For Jack the Uni-Psychle) but I can't try prboom right now to see if it works with that |
| 18:45.11 | tboc | kergoth: ipkg install -force-reinstall ipkg |
| 18:45.12 | dougheck | crow rom? |
| 18:45.26 | kergoth | tboc: and you've ipkg update recently? |
| 18:45.35 | tboc | kergoth: just a minute ago |
| 18:45.44 | Zxcvb | btw, if you repack the OZ 3.2 SDL version in the old format, it works fine on the sharp rom |
| 18:45.57 | kergoth | considering the oz sdl is known broken, thats funny. |
| 18:46.04 | tboc | kergoth: perhaps its because of the version? got "ipkg version 0.99.79" |
| 18:46.19 | kergoth | tboc: i dont recall what versions of ipkg are broken in what ways offhand |
| 18:46.25 | Zxcvb | dougheck: take the sharp rom, remove the ramdisk, and use SD for all user data and user installed software |
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| 18:46.33 | dougheck | cool! :) |
| 18:46.48 | kergoth | bleh, its still embedix |
| 18:46.52 | kergoth | which is rather worthless |
| 18:46.58 | kergoth | ~lart lineo |
| 18:47.02 | dougheck | :) |
| 18:47.12 | pHluid | Cool until your SD card dies, at least, then your Z is unbootable ;) |
| 18:47.20 | dougheck | oh? |
| 18:47.31 | kergoth | hmm you know, itd be cool if ipkg could install over ssh/scp/sftp |
| 18:47.42 | tboc | kergoth: ok, i'll download the ipk with wget and try again |
| 18:47.46 | pHluid | ker: That would be beyond cool. |
| 18:47.46 | kergoth | tboc: k |
| 18:47.49 | treke|laptop | you know, it would be cool if ipkg didnt suck balls |
| 18:47.52 | Zxcvb | pHluid: no, it is bootable |
| 18:47.55 | kergoth | treke|laptop: that too |
| 18:48.02 | Zxcvb | pHluid: insert a new sd/mmc card, and it's like a hard reset |
| 18:48.20 | dougheck | ick |
| 18:48.21 | pHluid | Zx: Hah, OK, you try that and let me know how it goes :) |
| 18:48.36 | kergoth | i should package up some bits to let people install and boot OZ off a sd card |
| 18:48.41 | kergoth | i.e. to test it while they keep sharp in flash |
| 18:48.52 | dougheck | ! |
| 18:48.56 | dougheck | does that work? |
| 18:48.57 | kergoth | spiffy little bootup menu |
| 18:48.58 | kergoth | .. |
| 18:49.01 | kergoth | yeah, it'd work |
| 18:49.02 | pHluid | Everything symlinks to the SD card; including bootup files etc |
| 18:49.05 | dougheck | wow |
| 18:49.06 | kergoth | nope |
| 18:49.07 | kergoth | easier |
| 18:49.10 | kergoth | pivot_root + chroot |
| 18:49.14 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.22 | pHluid | ker: I meant on the crow's rom, not what you were talking about :) |
| 18:49.24 | kergoth | someone posted a howto on the oz lists, but i need to revamp their sscripts a bit |
| 18:49.27 | kergoth | pHluid: gotcha :) |
| 18:49.39 | tboc | kergoth: hm, still get: "ERROR: Package ipkg (parent ipkg) is not available from any configured src." |
| 18:49.44 | treke|laptop | kergoth: what benefit? they can just flash back to sharp rom |
| 18:49.46 | kergoth | tboc: even doing a local install? |
| 18:49.48 | dougheck | kergoth: would it work on a CF card? |
| 18:49.51 | tboc | kergoth: yep |
| 18:49.57 | kergoth | treke|laptop: because its been requested |
| 18:50.01 | kergoth | treke|laptop: dont ask me, i wouldnt use it myself |
| 18:50.11 | kergoth | treke|laptop: but its only like 5 minutes to build an ipk to let people do it |
| 18:50.11 | treke|laptop | people request all kinds of stuff :) |
| 18:50.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:50.15 | kergoth | true that |
| 18:50.22 | digitalnick__ | kergoth: i cant reinstall ifupdown becasuse the package isnt available |
| 18:50.35 | pHluid | kergoth: Can I nominate this to be low priority? :) |
| 18:50.48 | kergoth | oh its definately low priority |
| 18:51.13 | kergoth | i have things like finishing up the 2.4.19 tree to do |
| 18:51.27 | pHluid | Hey, when a package is broken |
| 18:51.28 | dougheck | heh |
| 18:51.37 | pHluid | Like fbvncserver or kpacman in the stable feeds |
| 18:51.43 | pHluid | Can just anybody fix those? Or how does that work |
| 18:51.44 | tboc | kergoth: ok, as the ipkg is just a .tar i should be able to replace ipkg by hand, right? |
| 18:51.53 | kergoth | tboc: its an ar actually |
| 18:52.05 | Zxcvb | any idea why on OZ 3.2, opera crashes on www.opera.com? |
| 18:52.05 | tboc | kergoth: ar? |
| 18:52.06 | kergoth | tboc: ar -x blah.ipk; tar -zxvf data.tar.gz |
| 18:52.10 | Zxcvb | google and zdnet.com are fine |
| 18:52.17 | kergoth | pHluid: grab the OZ buildroot |
| 18:52.22 | kergoth | pHluid: all of oz is built by it |
| 18:52.25 | kergoth | pHluid: and start hackin |
| 18:52.26 | pHluid | Zx: Are you using Liquid as your style |
| 18:52.48 | kergoth | i still find it odd that liquid window decorations kills both opera and konq |
| 18:52.52 | pHluid | kergoth: Well like on fbvncserver, the install package is broken for me by the lack of a single symlink |
| 18:53.04 | Zxcvb | opera only dies on www.opera.com |
| 18:53.10 | Zxcvb | it works fine on every other site I have tried |
| 18:53.25 | kergoth | Zxcvb: you still didnt answer the question |
| 18:53.52 | pHluid | Installing fbvncserver from stable to SD wouldn't work until I created a link from /etc/rc2.d/S51fbvncinput to /mnt/card/etc/init.d/fbvncinput |
| 18:53.53 | Zxcvb | kergoth: no |
| 18:53.59 | Zxcvb | kergoth: using qpe |
| 18:54.05 | pHluid | Something simple like that... can anybody fix the packaging and submit it to the feed? |
| 18:54.15 | kergoth | pHluid: you're not listening |
| 18:54.19 | kergoth | pHluid: everythign in OZ is built from soruce |
| 18:54.27 | kergoth | pHluid: no packages go into the feed unless they were produced by the buildsystem |
| 18:54.33 | pHluid | ick. |
| 18:54.34 | kergoth | pHluid: so no, updated ipks arent accepted |
| 18:54.41 | kergoth | ick? its the only sane way of doing things |
| 18:54.42 | digitalnick__ | heh without a card reader in any of my puters and not interface access how am i gonna restore my interfaces file |
| 18:54.52 | kergoth | go look at familiar for an example of what happens doing it the other way |
| 18:55.01 | pHluid | Well, in general, yah, but for something as small as that... :) |
| 18:55.16 | kergoth | grab the buildroot. it'll be a one line change in a single file |
| 18:55.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:55.28 | pHluid | heh, don't have a boxen to build from |
| 18:55.39 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:55.43 | kergoth | stuck on windows?> |
| 18:55.47 | pHluid | aye. |
| 18:55.51 | kergoth | I'm going to fix the cygwin support for buildroot soon |
| 18:55.59 | kergoth | throw together a couple toolchain tarballs for it and the like |
| 18:56.33 | pHluid | kpacman is broken by needing to mv a single file I think |
| 18:56.40 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:56.44 | kergoth | someone's working on that fix |
| 18:57.00 | kergoth | apparently kpacman would be better off loading those config values at compieltime rather than runtime |
| 18:57.03 | pHluid | Seems like there was more, but those are the two I can think of so far |
| 18:57.05 | kergoth | since they're things you dont normally need to change |
| 18:57.13 | kergoth | anyway, they're workin on it |
| 18:57.13 | tux_mike | http://tv.yahoo.com/news/wwn/20030319/104808600007.html |
| 18:57.15 | tux_mike | lol |
| 18:57.19 | tux_mike | time traveler |
| 18:57.26 | dougheck | lol |
| 18:57.28 | pHluid | meh |
| 18:57.30 | dougheck | I just read that |
| 18:57.36 | Zxcvb | how do you make a new style ipkg? |
| 18:57.52 | kergoth | with ipkg-build. |
| 18:58.04 | kergoth | which is how you should be bulidng any ipk |
| 18:58.16 | pHluid | tux: Keep in mind that while that's on yahoo.com, it's being linked from The Weekly World News :P |
| 18:58.25 | tux_mike | yah |
| 18:58.32 | tux_mike | i don't belive a word of that story |
| 18:58.38 | tux_mike | still funny :) |
| 18:58.40 | Zxcvb | kergoth: that only builds the old type |
| 18:58.43 | dougheck | yup :) |
| 18:58.45 | kergoth | Zxcvb: wrong. |
| 18:58.50 | kergoth | Zxcvb: you're using an old version of ipkg-build. |
| 18:58.51 | kergoth | Zxcvb: heh |
| 18:58.56 | kergoth | current version supports both |
| 18:59.54 | pHluid | kergoth: Oh oh, and btw, ipkg update, ipkg upgrade will break OZ 3.2, but I'm sure you're aware... just might wanna make a mention of it in the FAQ or something :\ |
| 19:00.05 | pHluid | I broke my shit twice doing that, heh |
| 19:00.08 | kergoth | pHluid: ? |
| 19:00.27 | pHluid | kergoth: ...You haven't heard that before? I assumed that would be an obvious problem... |
| 19:00.29 | kergoth | ipkg in unstable is broken, but no more so than every other ipkg version in existance |
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| 19:00.36 | kergoth | busybox used to be broken, but it was yanked from the feed |
| 19:01.15 | pHluid | I was using a stock oz3.2, freshly installed, ipkg update from the stable feed |
| 19:01.26 | pHluid | Installed a new busybox, then promptly died |
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| 19:01.34 | Zxcvb | everything can install to SD in OZ 3.2, right? |
| 19:01.36 | pHluid | er ipkg update then upgrade |
| 19:01.47 | kergoth | Zxcvb: yep |
| 19:01.57 | kergoth | pHluid: yep, busybox from unstable was hosed |
| 19:02.10 | kergoth | i'll be doing a feed update very soon |
| 19:02.14 | pHluid | This definately should've been from the stable feed, though :\ |
| 19:02.33 | kergoth | everything in stable is known working |
| 19:02.36 | pHluid | I had unstable and testing commented out in ipkg.conf; that makes the stable feed 'active' right? |
| 19:02.37 | kergoth | in fact, 3.2 IS stable |
| 19:02.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:03.28 | Zxcvb | does jffs2 minimize the number of times the OZ flash is erased? |
| 19:03.36 | kergoth | read |
| 19:03.37 | kergoth | ibot: jffs2 |
| 19:03.39 | | i guess jffs2 is at http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ or alien technology from that ufo crash in New Mexico in the 1940's |
| 19:03.49 | kergoth | theres an excellent pdf on the subject |
| 19:04.10 | Zxcvb | brb |
| 19:05.07 | pHluid | ker: Did I miss something...? commenting out unstable and testing in ipkg.conf...? |
| 19:05.21 | kergoth | that should have been enough |
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| 19:05.28 | pHluid | I dunno then man |
| 19:05.34 | pHluid | I saw it pull down a new busybox |
| 19:05.35 | pHluid | then poof |
| 19:05.45 | pHluid | Z became a temporary paperweight :) |
| 19:05.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:06.15 | treke|laptop | busybox update == bad |
| 19:06.23 | rev|desk | whooops |
| 19:07.57 | pHluid | ker: aight, well, I'll try another ipkg upgrade from a locally mirrored feed and I'll let you know if it waxes my shiznit. :) |
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| 19:08.52 | kergoth | pHluid: heh, i'd appreciate it. if stable is hosed, i need to do something about it. fast. |
| 19:09.42 | pHluid | I asked Com[Plex] (don't know if you know him) about it and he said ipkg upgrade wasn't working yet; so I assumed it was a known thing |
| 19:09.47 | pHluid | But I'll try it and let you know |
| 19:09.56 | kergoth | upgrade should work |
| 19:10.02 | kergoth | though i'd recommend running it without opie running |
| 19:10.08 | pHluid | I did |
| 19:10.15 | pHluid | I flashed OZ 3.2 |
| 19:10.25 | pHluid | rebooted, did the initial setup shit |
| 19:10.34 | pHluid | logged out to a command prompt, logged in |
| 19:10.43 | pHluid | commented out unstable and testing in ipkg.conf |
| 19:11.07 | pHluid | then did ipkg update (which I swear said stable, but I'm not 100% I actually say it say that in the path) |
| 19:11.11 | pHluid | then ipkg upgrade |
| 19:11.13 | pHluid | hosed. |
| 19:11.25 | kergoth | odd. i'll look into it |
| 19:11.42 | pHluid | I can give it a try, I really haven't put much on my Z since I last flashed, so no biggie if it dies. |
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| 19:18.59 | Zxcvb | any idea why I would get "could not locate /usr/lib/ipkg/info/exult-zaurus.ipk.list when installing exult? |
| 19:19.32 | rev|desk | is flashing OZ easy? |
| 19:19.46 | rev|desk | more importantly, is it easy to save the original sharp rom? |
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| 19:20.16 | Zxcvb | the original rom is a 16MB download |
| 19:21.40 | treke|laptop | just download it from the sharp website |
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| 19:22.47 | CuCullainn | excellent |
| 19:23.18 | CuCullainn | not as easy as with wireless, but it works. |
| 19:24.14 | kergoth | what isnt as easy with wirless? |
| 19:25.51 | Zxcvb | ibot, ipkg-build |
| 19:25.52 | | well, ipkg-build is at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/util/ipkg-build |
| 19:34.51 | CuCullainn | going on irc with the z |
| 19:35.09 | CuCullainn | id rather use the reg keypad |
| 19:35.25 | CuCullin | instead of tapping |
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| 19:41.46 | Shayde | 'lo folks. |
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| 20:04.08 | mutexer | warmi: is there some mystery to getting rid of this - fatal error C1189: #error : WINDOWS.H already included. MFC apps must not #include <windows.h> |
| 20:04.36 | Neo|Work | MFC?! |
| 20:04.44 | mutexer | Im using CString |
| 20:04.51 | Neo|Work | not including windows.h might be an idea |
| 20:04.55 | Neo|Work | and why do you use CString? |
| 20:05.01 | mutexer | I dont include windows.h |
| 20:05.09 | mutexer | there is nothing better to use on PPC? |
| 20:05.12 | warmi | mutexer: one sec |
| 20:05.21 | mutexer | Cstring is all I could find it supports |
| 20:05.25 | warmi | mutexer: use qt string |
| 20:05.27 | Neo|Work | do you use dynamic strings that much (there is STL too ) |
| 20:05.33 | mutexer | cant use qt |
| 20:05.44 | mutexer | Microsoft's website said PPC doesnt support STL |
| 20:05.46 | warmi | that's of course if you are willing to follow the same model as on Zaurus gpled code and proprietary graphics |
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| 20:05.53 | warmi | mutexer: it does .. with external library |
| 20:05.55 | Zxcvb | found the exult bug |
| 20:06.03 | mutexer | warmi: qt on windows isnt GPL.. |
| 20:06.12 | Neo|Work | http://www.spbteam.com/pocketpc/libraries/#stl |
| 20:06.14 | Zxcvb | apparently you need to mkdir /usr/local/share |
| 20:06.19 | warmi | mutexer: no .. you use zaurus qte QString |
| 20:06.38 | warmi | that's what I did .. I "ported" shitload of classes from Qt to PocketPC and used that |
| 20:06.43 | Neo|Work | actually, http://users.libero.it/g.govi/index.html |
| 20:06.54 | mutexer | this STL lib I only have to install it in embedded studios right? no extra stuff for the user |
| 20:07.00 | Neo|Work | kind-of based on the STL idea but less generic |
| 20:07.08 | warmi | if you link statically then yeah |
| 20:07.20 | Neo|Work | mutexer: correct |
| 20:07.27 | mutexer | this is a lot of code to change.. no way to fix my CString error? |
| 20:07.29 | Neo|Work | static linking should be ok, it's based on SGI's STL |
| 20:07.52 | warmi | mutexer: give me a sec |
| 20:07.58 | Neo|Work | I think I'll fix my own assert rather than relying on 'assert' |
| 20:08.02 | warmi | let me have a look here at some forums |
| 20:08.05 | mutexer | people use MFC with gapiDraw I know |
| 20:08.06 | Neo|Work | wince has no assert.h |
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| 20:11.14 | warmi | mutexer: have you looked at GapiDraw MFC example ? |
| 20:11.29 | warmi | are you including the same include files that example is using ? |
| 20:11.48 | mutexer | no I havent...didnt know there was one |
| 20:12.25 | warmi | yeah ... heh |
| 20:12.28 | warmi | check examples/MFC |
| 20:12.40 | warmi | actually :gdraw\samples\MFC\WinCE |
| 20:12.55 | warmi | gdraw being your top level installation dir for GapiDraw |
| 20:13.53 | warmi | Neo|Work: so you are saying you wrote your own String class ? |
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| 20:15.44 | mutexer | I got it figured out |
| 20:15.58 | warmi | missing some include ? |
| 20:16.18 | mutexer | I do have a question about the TEXT() stuff.. do I need tyhat around single char too? |
| 20:16.41 | mutexer | yeahI included the base mfc header and it works now.. was just including the CString before |
| 20:17.04 | Neo|Work | warmi: yes that is what I'm saying |
| 20:17.17 | Neo|Work | perhaps not full featured but it's copy-on-write and has some nice features |
| 20:17.27 | warmi | well you need to do that every time a method expect TChars |
| 20:18.16 | Neo|Work | TEXT is widestring stuff right? |
| 20:18.17 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah .. I am just soo used to QString with all its nice methods for everythign hehe |
| 20:18.24 | warmi | you can say I am addicted to it |
| 20:18.25 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:18.29 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah |
| 20:18.32 | Neo|Work | well, my string class will get methods as I need them |
| 20:18.37 | warmi | Windows way of handling that is brain dead |
| 20:18.59 | Neo|Work | luckily, physfs abstracts most of that crap away |
| 20:18.59 | mutexer | I have TCHAR blah; and im comparing it with '_' do I put TEXT('_')? |
| 20:19.09 | Neo|Work | it has a pocketpc port already so I don't have to do anything special with files |
| 20:19.25 | Neo|Work | where, btw, can I find a quick intro on the wince basics? |
| 20:19.53 | warmi | well, TCHAR is defined as long |
| 20:20.20 | mutexer | hmm..getting to link errors - "void * __cdecl operator new(unsigned int)" (??2@YAPAXI@Z) already defined in LIBCMTD.lib(new.obj) |
| 20:20.23 | Neo|Work | Well, I meant more like a tutorial of "the nightmare that is wince" :-) |
| 20:20.24 | mutexer | ands one for delete also |
| 20:20.29 | mutexer | multiple definitions.. |
| 20:20.36 | mutexer | think Im missing a library maybe? |
| 20:20.40 | Neo|Work | no |
| 20:20.43 | warmi | nah .. |
| 20:20.49 | Neo|Work | you have an extra library rather |
| 20:20.55 | phoen][x | Neo|Work: winders owns you. :) |
| 20:21.03 | phoen][x | its the best OS ever |
| 20:21.23 | Neo|Work | that happens when you, in win32 desktop, link various parts using different runtime libraries |
| 20:21.49 | mutexer | I hate this crap |
| 20:22.02 | mutexer | I didnt have any of this treouble with QT on linux |
| 20:22.25 | warmi | mutexer: Make sure you are using multithreaded run-time library. |
| 20:22.38 | warmi | select run-time lib from: project->settings->c/c++->use run-time library |
| 20:23.20 | Neo|Work | warmi: hehe, I checked that yesterday and there was only one to choose from |
| 20:23.24 | Neo|Work | for WinCe that is |
| 20:24.01 | warmi | no, I use multithreaded |
| 20:24.14 | warmi | and mutexer must use that as well |
| 20:24.19 | warmi | since GapiDraw is multithreaded |
| 20:24.48 | Neo|Work | so, wtf did I only see one? |
| 20:25.03 | warmi | mutexer: have you followed this tutorial for creating working CGapiDraw project ? http://www.gapidraw.com/doc-project.htm |
| 20:25.04 | Neo|Work | also didn't see any debug/non-debug versions |
| 20:26.10 | warmi | NeoWork: Project /Settings /C++ /Code Generation/Use Run Time Library |
| 20:26.14 | mutexer | how do you exclude a dll? |
| 20:26.15 | Neo|Work | warmi: I know |
| 20:26.18 | mutexer | err |
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| 20:26.21 | Neo|Work | I repeat: I only saw one |
| 20:26.21 | mutexer | exclude a lib |
| 20:26.26 | Neo|Work | but I'll check again tonight |
| 20:26.35 | Neo|Work | this is evc btw not vc++ |
| 20:26.42 | HandAndE_ | how can I get birthdays to appear in calendar automatically? |
| 20:26.52 | mutexer | nevermind.. it magically compiles now |
| 20:27.05 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, I am not sure what's going on but , while I had some issues with EVC, that wasn't one of them :-) |
| 20:27.14 | Neo|Work | HandAndE_: use your psychic powers to transfer the informatio into the calendar |
| 20:27.47 | HandAndE_ | but I want it to do it automatically when I enter a birthday in the address book |
| 20:28.06 | Neo|Work | HandAndE_: too bad |
| 20:28.10 | warmi | mutexer: you are compiling right for the desktop (VC++) or for the device (EVC++) ? |
| 20:28.14 | kergoth | HandAndE_: so grab the source and add that feature |
| 20:28.15 | Neo|Work | meaning that doesn't happen |
| 20:28.16 | kergoth | HandAndE_: :) |
| 20:28.17 | mutexer | deskto |
| 20:28.20 | mutexer | it works now |
| 20:28.27 | warmi | ah ok |
| 20:28.33 | Neo|Work | the PIM apps are surprisingly unconnected in Qtopia |
| 20:28.35 | mutexer | it magically linked |
| 20:28.41 | mutexer | I didnt change anything that I saw.. but it works |
| 20:28.49 | kergoth | unfortunately. opie's PIM apps will be gaining cross referencing going forward |
| 20:28.49 | Neo|Work | mutexer: then it was definitely a runtime library conflict |
| 20:28.52 | Neo|Work | uh. ok, |
| 20:29.01 | warmi | sometimes rebuild all will do the trick |
| 20:29.31 | hugh | got new Zaurus. Waited 24hrs (charging) and turned it on. Want to flash fresh system. Understand I must backup some apps that are not "free". Inserted a CF & did a "backup/restore" backup to CF. Will that have hancom and opera etc. in it? Or how do I back those up? |
| 20:29.39 | HandAndE_ | kergoth is there no qpe prog that can do it? not even the extended address book? |
| 20:29.49 | kergoth | 'extended address book'? |
| 20:30.04 | warmi | HandAdnE: check tck applications |
| 20:30.06 | HandAndE_ | on sharps software site |
| 20:30.18 | HandAndE_ | warmi yeah, thats what I meant |
| 20:30.31 | cynTop | the hancom apps are available for download from their site |
| 20:30.54 | warmi | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/ |
| 20:32.09 | HandAndE_ | tckaddress has " Sync Birthday as Event in tkcCalendar" |
| 20:32.10 | HandAndE_ | :) |
| 20:32.46 | HandAndE_ | expensive :( |
| 20:32.51 | Neo|Work | hugh: no, that just backs up user data |
| 20:32.57 | warmi | well, yeah - you pay for quality |
| 20:33.00 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:33.25 | Neo|Work | so is tckCalendar quality of slighly better and more bloated? :) |
| 20:33.40 | kergoth | that tkc theme drives me nuts |
| 20:33.43 | kergoth | thank god i can overrid eit |
| 20:34.15 | warmi | I don't know .. I never used it .. :-) |
| 20:34.20 | HandAndE_ | seems I have to get both tckaddress and tckcalendar for it to work... |
| 20:36.06 | warmi | kergoth: it does look nice on screenshots though |
| 20:36.07 | warmi | heh |
| 20:36.11 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:36.16 | kergoth | too bad its so fucking slow its barely usable |
| 20:36.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:36.38 | HandAndE_ | kergoth is it that bad? |
| 20:36.42 | warmi | noone from tkc vistis this channel anymore ? |
| 20:36.44 | HandAndE_ | like worse than the one ther? |
| 20:36.52 | warmi | max used to be sitting here all the time |
| 20:36.56 | kergoth | HandAndE_: it just feels slow. the apps in general are well made |
| 20:36.59 | kergoth | just that style |
| 20:37.08 | kergoth | if you run them in OZ, you can disable their style and use your own |
| 20:37.13 | HandAndE_ | I see - can you apply a more minimal style? |
| 20:37.21 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:37.34 | HandAndE_ | that work on the qtopia shipped? |
| 20:37.35 | kergoth | warmi: shawn hasnt been around. not sure about max |
| 20:37.45 | kergoth | HandAndE_: qtopia as shipped you ha ve to stick with tkc's existing style |
| 20:37.57 | kergoth | the ability to override style for apps is an opie feature |
| 20:38.03 | kergoth | though zstyle may be able to |
| 20:38.04 | kergoth | i dont recall |
| 20:38.36 | warmi | HandAndE_: well, too bad tkc won't let you try their apps |
| 20:38.36 | HandAndE_ | is this opie thing that I hear of great or not worth the hasstle? |
| 20:38.46 | HandAndE_ | warmi indeed ;( |
| 20:40.10 | warmi | mutexer: btw ... I am curious if you are having any performance problems running your game on PPC with GapiDraw |
| 20:40.24 | warmi | ibot opie |
| 20:40.25 | | opie is, like, the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect |
| 20:40.50 | HandAndE_ | I know what opie is, but is it worth it? |
| 20:40.55 | HandAndE_ | (from experience....) |
| 20:41.45 | warmi | well, it has more functionality built in but it isn't as stable as Qtopia |
| 20:42.01 | polin8 | its stable enough to be useful though |
| 20:42.04 | warmi | or so I keep hearing |
| 20:42.24 | polin8 | I haven't had any stability issues with opie since OZ 3.2 |
| 20:43.20 | warmi | yeah, it works - it is just from sitting on this channel I got the impression from different people discussing their experiences that it crashes more often than Qtopia |
| 20:44.05 | polin8 | i think part of that might be due to different models of users :P |
| 20:44.40 | HandAndE_ | lol |
| 20:45.01 | HandAndE_ | the only crashes that I have encountered were using serial over USB to sync, now that I am purely USB it is fine :) |
| 20:45.34 | warmi | HandAndE_: try it |
| 20:45.40 | warmi | you can always go back to Sharp ROM |
| 20:45.46 | warmi | if you don't like it |
| 20:46.39 | mutexer | warmi: havent got that far yet.. Ill let you know if I do |
| 20:46.52 | mutexer | ever used ifstream? |
| 20:47.10 | warmi | no |
| 20:47.51 | Neo|Work | mutexer: don't. :) |
| 20:48.01 | warmi | it is basically buffered file access class |
| 20:48.03 | Neo|Work | if you mean the stl streams that is |
| 20:48.12 | warmi | but I never really used it |
| 20:48.13 | Neo|Work | they are so not benefitial. :) |
| 20:48.50 | Neo|Work | warmi: when you do pocketpc on-device testing, do you let evc publish it? |
| 20:48.57 | Neo|Work | and if so, can you decide where it puts it? |
| 20:49.03 | Neo|Work | so that it can be where the datafiles are... |
| 20:49.03 | mutexer | Im not using the stl ones.. the standard C ones |
| 20:49.12 | Neo|Work | mutexer: fopen etc? |
| 20:49.13 | mutexer | IM trying to do binary File IO |
| 20:49.37 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah, of course... it will dump your executable right where you want it - in the Start Menu :-) |
| 20:49.38 | Neo|Work | add 'b' |
| 20:49.41 | mutexer | ifstream f(fileName, ios::in | ios:: binary); |
| 20:49.47 | mutexer | int strl = 0; |
| 20:49.47 | mutexer | f.read ((char*)&strl, sizeof(int)); |
| 20:49.51 | Neo|Work | mutexer: that is STL |
| 20:49.53 | Neo|Work | you don't want that |
| 20:49.56 | mutexer | strl is like 768675 |
| 20:50.11 | Neo|Work | use fopen, fread et |
| 20:50.13 | Neo|Work | etc |
| 20:50.34 | mutexer | isnt this non STL? Im not using std::ifstream |
| 20:50.41 | Neo|Work | there is no iostream support in the STL port for pocketpc I pointed you to even |
| 20:50.45 | Neo|Work | uh |
| 20:50.46 | warmi | Neo|Work: I am not sure if you can change the destination though ... |
| 20:50.47 | Neo|Work | it's STL |
| 20:51.04 | dougheck | no Z emulator? :) |
| 20:51.04 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, I don't want my datafiles in the start menu. :P |
| 20:51.15 | mutexer | microsoft is making me hate C++ |
| 20:51.28 | Neo|Work | mutexer: for what reason? |
| 20:51.42 | mutexer | all this crap.. they dont offer anything good to use on PPC |
| 20:51.49 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, I generally have a dual approach to this .. my code looks for data files in the current dir and if they are not there it looks into present location :/Program Files etc .... |
| 20:51.49 | Neo|Work | they have dubious support but not requiring 'std::' requirement is new in gcc 3.0 too |
| 20:51.55 | warmi | it is a variable |
| 20:52.12 | Neo|Work | mutexer: STL stream io != good on any platform. ESPECIALLY for binary stuff |
| 20:52.25 | Neo|Work | warmi: that's what I was going to do |
| 20:52.31 | Neo|Work | it's painless with physfs |
| 20:52.36 | Neo|Work | just wondered if there was an option |
| 20:52.52 | Neo|Work | mutexer: and not having STL - not a major drawback imho. :) |
| 20:53.04 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:53.12 | warmi | STL is not a good idea on PocketPC |
| 20:53.16 | warmi | a bit too heavy |
| 20:53.35 | Neo|Work | depends |
| 20:53.42 | Neo|Work | filesise, perhaps, cpu not really (well in general) |
| 20:53.59 | warmi | filesize |
| 20:54.17 | warmi | especially if you are heavily using templates with different parameters |
| 20:54.24 | warmi | each version gets its own set of code |
| 20:54.31 | mutexer | so from myexample aboce Id want to do fread(&rec, sizeof(someType), 1, f); |
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| 20:54.33 | mutexer | err |
| 20:54.44 | mutexer | so from myexample aboce Id want to do fread(&strl, sizeof(int), 1, f); |
| 20:54.45 | Neo|Work | warmi: mind you I am using _templates_ in my code |
| 20:54.56 | Neo|Work | mutexer: the do that |
| 20:55.10 | dougheck | hmmm |
| 20:55.25 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, the thing is that using template with different objects results in generation of different set of code for each template <X> set |
| 20:55.41 | warmi | Qt works around that by implementing void object internally |
| 20:55.45 | Neo|Work | warmi: I know |
| 20:55.54 | Neo|Work | and template specialization can help |
| 20:56.05 | Neo|Work | however my binary is about 100 KB, and that include physfs + libz |
| 20:56.11 | warmi | and STL doesn't - so potentially you can end up with pretty big executable when using STL in that fashion |
| 20:56.11 | Neo|Work | libz decompression I should say |
| 20:56.19 | Neo|Work | well, 130 KB rather |
| 20:56.36 | Neo|Work | my code doesn't |
| 20:56.39 | dougheck | hmm, is there an arm emulator? that can possibly run OZ? |
| 20:56.43 | Neo|Work | I also use counted_ptr etc |
| 20:56.47 | Neo|Work | dougheck: no |
| 20:56.51 | Neo|Work | none that I know of at least |
| 20:56.54 | warmi | dougheck: no |
| 20:56.59 | dougheck | drats |
| 20:57.01 | warmi | dougheck: you can run OPie though |
| 20:57.07 | dougheck | on winders? |
| 20:57.14 | warmi | what is winders ? |
| 20:57.24 | dougheck | windows for the weakminded :) |
| 20:57.55 | warmi | ah .. well, I heard some stories about people who managed to get qvfb working under CyGWin |
| 20:58.02 | warmi | something like that .. but I don't know any details |
| 20:58.04 | dougheck | ugh |
| 20:58.07 | dougheck | never mind :P |
| 20:58.19 | warmi | dougheck: use Linux |
| 20:58.23 | warmi | what's the big deal |
| 20:58.23 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:58.28 | dougheck | I have linux |
| 20:58.48 | Chemeleon | can anyone help me get my wireless cf card working? pretty sure I have the settings correct, and it recognizes the card, but I can't ping anything, or browse the internet :\ (using oz 3.2) |
| 20:59.33 | warmi | unrelated question: I am about to upgrade my existing desktop system .. is it better to get Athlon 2500 / 333 MHZ or Athlon 2500 /233 MHZ .. both seem to cost the same |
| 20:59.52 | warmi | I think 333 would be better .. faster bus etc .. but I am not sure |
| 21:00.02 | bzdougg | warmi: 333 would be better I suppose |
| 21:00.09 | Neo|Work | warmi: faster bus should be better if the rest of the system handles it |
| 21:00.12 | warmi | are there any "gotchas" with 333 ? |
| 21:00.16 | bzdougg | but I think you need faster ram to be needed |
| 21:00.21 | bzdougg | if you want the full speed |
| 21:00.22 | warmi | beside just making sure you get the right motherboard |
| 21:00.38 | warmi | yeah, then I will go for 333 |
| 21:00.38 | bzdougg | I "think" |
| 21:00.55 | bzdougg | (dont come yellin when it blows up, etc) |
| 21:01.04 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:01.16 | Chemeleon | warmi, the athlon xp 2200+ thouroughbred is supposed to be really good for oc'ing if you want as fast as you can get |
| 21:01.28 | Neo|Work | warmi: what is your budget btw? |
| 21:01.32 | Chemeleon | its fairly cheap also |
| 21:01.53 | warmi | Neo|Work: I would say around $1000 - but I am just getting a new motherboard, CPU , memory and video card |
| 21:01.55 | Neo|Work | I put together a 1 GB PC2700, Athlon 3000+, nforce 2 mobo (with builtin gfx for now) and box for 700 |
| 21:01.58 | warmi | everything else stays the same |
| 21:02.07 | Neo|Work | you can get a LOT of box for that |
| 21:02.20 | warmi | yeah, I know .. I was actually hoping to get MP box |
| 21:02.23 | Neo|Work | such as P3 3.06 with hyperthreading, 1 GB, mobo... |
| 21:02.29 | warmi | but I won't really use that |
| 21:02.40 | warmi | Neo|Work: noo .. I am AMD fan :-) |
| 21:02.49 | warmi | I try to avoid intel whenever I can |
| 21:02.51 | Neo|Work | warmi: then go for 3000+ unless you want mp |
| 21:02.58 | Chemeleon | yea...I just put a system together for my ccna class...512 pc2700, athlon 2200+, 60gig hd, gf4mx, for under $550 |
| 21:02.58 | Neo|Work | they are like $320 or 340 or something now |
| 21:03.23 | Neo|Work | very rececently dropped some $200 in price at newegg (in time for the new P4's) |
| 21:03.24 | mutexer | hrmm.. even with fread it returns some rediculously large number |
| 21:03.37 | warmi | well, the thing is that I can get 2600 for $150 and I don't think getting another 500MHZ is worth doubling the price |
| 21:03.38 | Neo|Work | mutexer: uhm, is byteorder correct? |
| 21:03.52 | Chemeleon | how much is the 2600? |
| 21:03.55 | HandAndE_ | warmi does opie on openzaurus sync to qtopia desktop or another app as easily? |
| 21:03.55 | Neo|Work | it depends on your needs |
| 21:04.02 | Chemeleon | nm, misread |
| 21:04.03 | Neo|Work | 2700 was $250 or so |
| 21:04.13 | Neo|Work | 2800 is the same as 3000 at newegg, funnilly enough |
| 21:04.17 | warmi | Chemeleon: actually it is 2500 and it costs $127.75 |
| 21:04.23 | mutexer | hrmm.. I used a QT app on linux to write the file |
| 21:04.29 | warmi | for 333 MHZ version /512 cache |
| 21:04.30 | Neo|Work | warmi: and btw, the number ~= MHz |
| 21:04.39 | Neo|Work | ah, the new barton one |
| 21:04.44 | Chemeleon | 2200 seems like the best buy to me atm, fast enough for just about anything atm, and plenty of oc'ing potential when it starts to get old |
| 21:04.50 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah .. I know .. they are doing the same thing Cyrix did 5 years ago |
| 21:04.51 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:05.06 | Neo|Work | I almost want to wait to see what opterons will cost. :) |
| 21:05.25 | warmi | well, I don't see 2200 MHZ /333 bus version |
| 21:05.41 | warmi | anyway .. paying $127 for a 2500 seems likea good deal |
| 21:05.46 | Chemeleon | dont think it has a 333 version |
| 21:05.57 | warmi | mind you .. this is not from price watch |
| 21:06.07 | warmi | pricewatch.com most likely would yield even lower prices |
| 21:06.13 | Neo|Work | warmi: I suggest going to newegg.com |
| 21:06.16 | mutexer | Neo|Work: it says in QT docs the default setting is big endian ,, is that correct? |
| 21:06.30 | Neo|Work | they are not cheapest (usually) but extremely solid, fast and a good company to deal with |
| 21:06.40 | Neo|Work | which is more than you can say about many companies on pricewatch... |
| 21:06.54 | Neo|Work | mutexer: all platforms you'll be working on is little endian... |
| 21:07.00 | Neo|Work | arm and x86 that is |
| 21:07.23 | mutexer | hrm.. it worked fine on my linux machine and on my Zaurus with big endian |
| 21:07.35 | George- | Neo|Work: PowerPC is big endian :) |
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| 21:08.00 | mutexer | I guess QT handed the conversion |
| 21:08.01 | George- | Neo|Work: is it legal to download a warez copy of SMAC? |
| 21:08.28 | mutexer | Neo|Work: how would I convert it to little endian? |
| 21:08.51 | bzdougg | smac? |
| 21:08.59 | *** part/#zaurus HandAndE_ (~aje@pc-62-31-69-111-ed.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 21:09.21 | phoen][x | dont smack George- |
| 21:09.22 | George- | bzdougg: oh HA HA HA |
| 21:09.25 | George- | . |
| 21:09.29 | phoen][x | or he'll talk to you |
| 21:09.31 | phoen][x | see? |
| 21:09.34 | bzdougg | lol |
| 21:09.39 | warmi | hahah |
| 21:09.45 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:09.51 | bzdougg | it took George- that long to figure it out? |
| 21:09.51 | George- | ... |
| 21:09.59 | phoen][x | George-: soz |
| 21:10.08 | George- | bzdougg: nah, it took me 2 seconds to type HA HA HA |
| 21:10.13 | George- | bzdougg: :P |
| 21:10.14 | Chemeleon | warmi, www.googlegear.com is another good store...good prices, all but free second day shipping |
| 21:10.15 | Neo|Work | George-: I know my endianess, yes |
| 21:10.21 | Neo|Work | all my code is endian save |
| 21:10.22 | Neo|Work | safe |
| 21:10.22 | George- | Neo|Work: hehe :) |
| 21:10.31 | mutexer | if I open it in a text editor it has 00 00 00 2E |
| 21:10.33 | Neo|Work | even though I haven't decided if my highscore code, options code etc will be |
| 21:10.34 | warmi | ok .. thanks |
| 21:10.38 | mutexer | err hex editor |
| 21:10.44 | warmi | I am compiling my little shoping list here |
| 21:10.45 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:10.55 | bzdougg | riight |
| 21:10.57 | bzdougg | oh |
| 21:11.01 | Neo|Work | mutexer: I would recommend POSH |
| 21:11.10 | Neo|Work | http://www.pyrogon.com/poshlib/ |
| 21:11.27 | George- | kergoth: you evil bastard! |
| 21:11.28 | Neo|Work | for anyone that want to do endian safe stuff without having to do configure crap, defines etc, that's an excellent package |
| 21:11.38 | warmi | mutexer: or do what I do :-) store everythign in ASCII |
| 21:11.42 | warmi | all levels, etc .. |
| 21:11.44 | warmi | heh |
| 21:11.59 | George- | I don't even know what endianness is anyway... :P |
| 21:12.19 | George- | I first encountered it when trying to hack on my Psion 5mx :) |
| 21:12.20 | bzdougg | ~dict endian |
| 21:12.34 | Neo|Work | warmi: I have such a hard time deciding |
| 21:12.40 | George- | Isn't it the way the CPU processes data ? |
| 21:12.42 | rev|desk | anyone know where to get a batt for the SL-5500? |
| 21:12.42 | Neo|Work | I have a budget which si small but ca give me a lot of crap |
| 21:12.46 | George- | ie - from right to left or vice versa? |
| 21:12.49 | warmi | George-: it is sort of like if someone switched your ass with your head :-) |
| 21:12.58 | rev|desk | George-: it is the way in which the CPU stores bytes |
| 21:12.59 | warmi | George-: that would be like endiannes mismatch |
| 21:13.00 | rev|desk | that is |
| 21:13.00 | Neo|Work | so do I go for athlon with builtin gfx, athlon w/o builtin card or p4 w/o builtin |
| 21:13.00 | George- | warmi: well, they look the same :P |
| 21:13.16 | rev|desk | does 1100 equal 12 or does it equal 3? |
| 21:13.16 | Neo|Work | the thinking with builtin is that I can save money for "better" card in X months |
| 21:13.24 | warmi | Neo|Work: I would never consider a built in gfx |
| 21:13.33 | warmi | I play 3d games .. I need all the power I can get |
| 21:13.34 | George- | built in gfx is evil! |
| 21:13.34 | warmi | heeh |
| 21:13.40 | Neo|Work | warmi: it'd still be faster than what I have now and it WOULD be temprary |
| 21:13.46 | Neo|Work | and GF4 MX isn't that sucky |
| 21:13.47 | George- | Especially Trident cards |
| 21:13.56 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, then I don't want to know what you got there now |
| 21:13.56 | warmi | heeh |
| 21:13.59 | Neo|Work | George-: that's not gfx, that's like a serial port in color |
| 21:14.04 | mutexer | umm what exactly is this Neo|Work? |
| 21:14.06 | George- | hahaha |
| 21:14.10 | Neo|Work | warmi: 1.2 athlon, GF2 |
| 21:14.18 | Neo|Work | mutexer: POSH? |
| 21:14.22 | mutexer | yeah |
| 21:14.39 | warmi | well, I got 1 GHZ athlon + ATI 7500 card |
| 21:14.42 | Neo|Work | it's basically a .h file and a .c file that automatically detects OS, compiler, endianess etc with preprocessor defines |
| 21:14.55 | Neo|Work | and then defines suitable integer types and provides endian swapping methods |
| 21:15.05 | Neo|Work | warmi: if I didn't run Linux, I'd know what to do |
| 21:15.17 | Neo|Work | now I think I might want to wait and see if radeon cards get better linux support |
| 21:15.23 | Neo|Work | because speed-wise they are better |
| 21:15.37 | Neo|Work | btw, I'm getting two computers. One new and one used |
| 21:15.47 | warmi | Neo|Work: I do run Linux on my box |
| 21:15.57 | warmi | I just use AcceleratedX X server |
| 21:16.08 | Neo|Work | used == $150 for Athlon XP 2100+, 512 MB PC2700, 40 GB disk, shitty gfx (TNT2, bonus item) and a CD or so |
| 21:16.24 | Neo|Work | warmi: AccelX doesn't have Radeon 9700 support however |
| 21:16.28 | warmi | anyway ... to go with that Athlon 2600 / 333 MHZ I would need PC 133 memory right ? |
| 21:16.34 | Chemeleon | thats pretty cheap...ram and the athlon would cost you almost as much |
| 21:16.40 | Chemeleon | warmi, DDR would be best |
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| 21:16.59 | warmi | which DDR ? 3200 ? |
| 21:17.16 | warmi | ah 2700 |
| 21:17.18 | warmi | ok I got it |
| 21:17.19 | Chemeleon | up to you...most mobo's support 2700 |
| 21:17.19 | warmi | thanks |
| 21:17.30 | warmi | 2700 is listed as 333 MHZ |
| 21:17.33 | Chemeleon | yea |
| 21:17.38 | warmi | so most likely that would be it |
| 21:17.53 | George- | man, I *LOVE* talking to people in Hex :) |
| 21:18.04 | Neo|Work | warmi: tight |
| 21:18.07 | George- | the perfect way to annoy someone :) |
| 21:18.11 | George- | 0000000 6f77 746f 000a |
| 21:18.11 | George- | 0000005 |
| 21:18.11 | George- | :) |
| 21:18.13 | Neo|Work | it's used and $150 is CHEAP |
| 21:18.22 | Neo|Work | I mean CPU + memory costs more than that |
| 21:18.32 | CuCullin | very cheap |
| 21:18.41 | fliplap | George-: except, then they don't care what you're saying |
| 21:18.48 | Neo|Work | it'll be my wife's windows box |
| 21:18.51 | George- | fliplap: I don't care what I'm saying either :) |
| 21:18.52 | CuCullin | fliplap, only then? |
| 21:18.58 | Chemeleon | it include a copy of windows? |
| 21:18.59 | mutexer | Neo|Work: Are there no functions in fopen to read as the different types of endian? |
| 21:19.03 | George- | fliplap: I find the reaction hilarious :) |
| 21:19.05 | CuCullin | I don't care what he says now.... |
| 21:19.06 | CuCullin | ;) |
| 21:19.09 | Neo|Work | which means that when I'm done I have a 1.2 GHz athlon and a dual celeron 450 that's unused. :) |
| 21:19.17 | Neo|Work | with 1GB repsective 512 MB of memory |
| 21:19.19 | CuCullin | doh, about what he's saying rather |
| 21:19.20 | fliplap | yeah, i dropped like $399 on my shuttle case, an AMD 2100XP and 512mges |
| 21:19.28 | Neo|Work | mutexer: no. fopen reads raw data |
| 21:19.30 | warmi | Neo|Work: what is you budget again ? |
| 21:19.36 | Neo|Work | warmi: total $1200 |
| 21:19.37 | George- | hrmm |
| 21:19.44 | CuCullin | about a month ago I got my p4 2.4ghz, loaded it up, total of about $700 |
| 21:19.47 | Neo|Work | minus 150 for tha used box |
| 21:19.49 | mutexer | so how would I go about converting? |
| 21:19.53 | warmi | yeah .. plenty |
| 21:19.54 | Neo|Work | so 1050 for my own box |
| 21:19.59 | fliplap | that was ~ 2 month ago |
| 21:20.01 | George- | I got an Athlon XP 2400+ and 512MB DDR PC2700 RAM and a suitable motherboard for about 400 GBP about 8 months ago |
| 21:20.07 | mutexer | without having to convert the data files |
| 21:20.08 | Neo|Work | and I already have harddrive, cd-rw and dvd |
| 21:20.12 | George- | nice motherboard too :) |
| 21:20.16 | Neo|Work | and sound, nic will be builtin |
| 21:20.34 | Neo|Work | George-: similar to what I'm paying $150 for. :PP |
| 21:20.42 | George- | Neo|Work: hah |
| 21:20.56 | George- | Neo|Work: this *was* brand new, *and* it was like, a week after the 2400+ was released ;) |
| 21:21.02 | fliplap | yeah, i paid a premium for my case |
| 21:21.27 | Neo|Work | I am thinking about the lanboy case or one of the performance ones from antec |
| 21:21.29 | George- | Neo|Work: the old Athlon 600MHz Classic that it used to have was _too_ slow |
| 21:21.40 | Neo|Work | George-: I can believe you there |
| 21:21.54 | George- | Neo|Work: "er.. we need to upgrade this system. now." |
| 21:22.02 | George- | Neo|Work: "it's too damn slow!" |
| 21:22.25 | fliplap | Neo|Work: i take it you want a full tower? |
| 21:22.35 | Neo|Work | fliplap: nah, more likely mini or mid tower |
| 21:22.46 | George- | hrmm, nice support from my ISP |
| 21:22.48 | Neo|Work | lanboy is mini |
| 21:22.52 | George- | I emailed them last week bitching about a DNS issue |
| 21:22.55 | George- | and they replied today |
| 21:22.59 | fliplap | Neo|Work: like realy really mini, or just short? |
| 21:23.20 | fliplap | i have one of these http://us.shuttle.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=155 and i love it |
| 21:23.24 | Neo|Work | that one http://www.antec-inc.com/pro_details_enclosure.php?ProdID=90662# or perhaps http://www.antec-inc.com/pro_details_enclosure.php?ProdID=15000 |
| 21:23.36 | bzdougg | George-: pretty quick reply |
| 21:23.36 | polin8 | lian-li is very nice |
| 21:23.46 | polin8 | pricy as hell though |
| 21:23.49 | fliplap | lian-li is really expensive |
| 21:23.50 | Neo|Work | I have been contemplating shuttles but there's one thing, other than price, that has diverted me |
| 21:23.51 | fliplap | yeah |
| 21:23.57 | George- | bzdougg: hah |
| 21:23.57 | Neo|Work | which is noise level |
| 21:24.16 | fliplap | Neo|Work: really? mine is almost completely silent |
| 21:24.18 | polin8 | thought the newer shuttle were supposed to be quiet |
| 21:24.22 | Neo|Work | the lanboy is aluminum too - only think that stops it from being perfect is lack of front firewire |
| 21:24.27 | Neo|Work | fliplap: what CPU? |
| 21:24.29 | George- | <QBasic> i hate you |
| 21:24.35 | George- | hrmm, I have this effect on everyone I meet :) |
| 21:24.38 | fliplap | Neo|Work: 2100XP |
| 21:24.42 | Chemeleon | neo, you seen these ones? http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/chieftec/xtreme2.asp |
| 21:24.47 | Neo|Work | polin8: all reviews I've seen say that the sound levels are around 50-55 dB |
| 21:24.51 | bzdougg | lol |
| 21:25.07 | fliplap | Neo|Work: the older ones were kinda loud |
| 21:25.10 | George- | Neo|Work: I'm personally waiting for a dual Opteron to come on the market, then I'll make some uber system :) |
| 21:25.27 | polin8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.29 | Neo|Work | Chemeleon: those are freaky!~ |
| 21:25.39 | fliplap | Neo|Work: you can also drop a new fan in them really easily if you want completely silent |
| 21:25.50 | Chemeleon | they look to be nearly identical to the antec cases, but cheaper |
| 21:25.52 | bzdougg | polin8: mines more like a warehouse vacuum |
| 21:26.03 | Neo|Work | fliplap: mind you I plan either P4 3GHz or Athlon 3000+\ |
| 21:26.11 | fliplap | my fan only gets loud at full speed, which it only gets to when i'm encoding a large video or cracking a password file |
| 21:26.40 | polin8 | bzdougg: heh, mine would be but I swapped a few fans for stealths and took out the northbridge fan; it helped |
| 21:26.54 | Neo|Work | I kind of like this one: http://www6.tomshardware.com/consumer/20030211/case-29.html |
| 21:26.57 | bzdougg | :) |
| 21:27.05 | bzdougg | but when I turn the case fan on... |
| 21:27.13 | Neo|Work | it's funky |
| 21:27.17 | Chemeleon | I think tiger has that one also |
| 21:27.18 | fliplap | hehe, those all look the same to me |
| 21:27.26 | Neo|Work | built in front panel fan control, temp meter etc |
| 21:27.35 | Chemeleon | want to say they want about 140 for it |
| 21:28.05 | fliplap | yeah, i gotta admit i bought my case for the look |
| 21:28.17 | Neo|Work | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?sku=T925-2002 |
| 21:28.21 | Neo|Work | dude, that one looks nice |
| 21:28.41 | fliplap | its got the geek look alright |
| 21:28.43 | Neo|Work | mind you my current desktop at home is L O U D |
| 21:28.50 | Neo|Work | fliplap: yeah. case modding is absurd though |
| 21:28.56 | fliplap | agreed |
| 21:28.59 | Neo|Work | people having lights on fans and in general extra lights |
| 21:29.09 | fliplap | my roomate did that to his |
| 21:29.13 | Neo|Work | and motherboards, gfx cards etc are designed to look cool |
| 21:29.17 | fliplap | he's got the window and the lights and like 4 fans |
| 21:29.20 | polin8 | same price as a lian-li for that thermaltake |
| 21:29.21 | Neo|Work | I find that rather bizarre. :) |
| 21:29.21 | fliplap | its insanity |
| 21:29.23 | bzdougg | me too |
| 21:29.32 | Neo|Work | polin8: but lian-li is w/o powersupply, no/ |
| 21:29.37 | Neo|Work | oh |
| 21:29.40 | Neo|Work | maybe that one is too |
| 21:29.52 | Neo|Work | yeha, it is |
| 21:29.59 | Chemeleon | personally, I tie the cables outta the way, and leave the case open...as long as it holds everything, and runs cool, I don't care how it looks |
| 21:30.01 | George- | http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?action=info&p=32838&t=795&l=2&AvdID=1&CatID=4&GrpID=6&s=pl <-- I wouldn't mind a couple o' these :) |
| 21:30.02 | fliplap | although i do kinda want a replacement shell for my case |
| 21:30.20 | fliplap | they sell colored ones for it |
| 21:30.26 | polin8 | Neo|Work: so is the thermaltake |
| 21:30.31 | bzdougg | I DO want my computer quiet |
| 21:30.58 | rev|desk | anyone here ever tried the Pockettop folding keyboard for the Zaurus? |
| 21:31.26 | George- | rev|desk: imho, it'd be a bit silly cause the irda on the Z is on the side :P |
| 21:31.30 | bzdougg | ! |
| 21:31.36 | bzdougg | a KEYBOARD for theZ? |
| 21:31.41 | bzdougg | it HAS a keyboard! :) |
| 21:31.48 | fliplap | first i want a clear faceplate, without the logom they sell those too |
| 21:31.52 | Neo|Work | maybe I should splurge on a k00l case. :P |
| 21:31.57 | George- | bzdougg: ok, start writing C++ on that keyboard :P |
| 21:32.05 | rev|desk | George-: nah, i'd rather have the Z rotated anyway |
| 21:32.06 | bzdougg | George-: I would do it on my desktop |
| 21:32.19 | rev|desk | bzdougg: a real keyboard :P |
| 21:32.56 | bzdougg | how much are those sharp digital cameras for the z? |
| 21:33.28 | CuCullin | eh, I got a free aluminum case with a window thrown in on a deal.... I could give a crap less, I was ready to mod an AT case to ATX for it. |
| 21:33.56 | George- | holy crap intel CPUs are expensive |
| 21:34.03 | George- | the 3GHz P4 is 600 GBP! |
| 21:34.14 | bzdougg | uh huh |
| 21:34.18 | Chemeleon | yea :\ |
| 21:34.26 | polin8 | has AMD even broken 2.0G yet? |
| 21:34.33 | Chemeleon | yea |
| 21:34.45 | Chemeleon | and a couple of theirs oc very well |
| 21:34.52 | bzdougg | my fastest intel here is a 600 mhz celeron, and thats "put away" :) |
| 21:35.08 | George- | polin8: My 2400+ is 2GHz. |
| 21:35.09 | Chemeleon | I have an pentium 166 still running ;) |
| 21:35.20 | fliplap | my webserver runs on a dual P90 |
| 21:35.21 | bzdougg | I DO have a 133 pentium laptop :P |
| 21:35.26 | George- | polin8: but of course, to AMD, the Athlon is basically dead |
| 21:35.38 | bzdougg | fliplap: I had a duel 133 mhz pentium server with 6 hard drives |
| 21:35.41 | George- | polin8: they're concentrating all efforts on x86-64 at the moment |
| 21:36.01 | fliplap | bzdougg: heh, mine on has 2 scsi drives in it right now, but there's bays for 12 |
| 21:36.11 | George- | I was using a Pentium 120MHz until 3 years ago |
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| 21:36.15 | bzdougg | wow |
| 21:36.25 | George- | then I upgraded to a Athlon 600 until about 8 months ago |
| 21:36.29 | George- | then I upgraded to a 2400+ |
| 21:36.31 | George- | :P |
| 21:36.34 | bzdougg | hrm |
| 21:36.35 | bzdougg | nice |
| 21:36.39 | fliplap | yeah, it was a pricey bitch in its day |
| 21:38.16 | Neo|Work | polin8: in all reality though, I think an antec case is "good enough" for me |
| 21:38.28 | Neo|Work | costs like just over $100 or so I think but including powersupply |
| 21:38.53 | polin8 | yeah, I have the lian-li, but in retrospect I'd rather pend the diferrence on a better video card and get the antec |
| 21:38.57 | Neo|Work | opterons are nice |
| 21:39.10 | Neo|Work | i think the "about 25% faster at the same clock frequency" is about right |
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| 21:40.37 | George- | Neo|Work: any word on when the opteron will be unleashed? |
| 21:41.19 | Neo|Work | Aptil 22nd |
| 21:41.38 | Neo|Work | to the best of the knowledge of various computer news sites |
| 21:42.02 | George- | Neo|Work: that's cool |
| 21:42.14 | George- | Neo|Work: what will be the highest clock speed they'll initally offer? |
| 21:42.31 | bzdougg | how far can I overclock a Z? |
| 21:42.54 | Neo|Work | I don't know exactly |
| 21:43.05 | Neo|Work | that was an answer to George- btw |
| 21:43.16 | Neo|Work | George-: search around, there's info on the net |
| 21:43.20 | George- | k |
| 21:43.20 | Neo|Work | like 1600 and 1800 perhaps |
| 21:43.26 | George- | 1800MHz? |
| 21:43.27 | Neo|Work | or 1400 and 1600 |
| 21:43.28 | Neo|Work | don't remember |
| 21:43.31 | bzdougg | yea |
| 21:43.39 | George- | that's not _that_ fast... |
| 21:43.45 | Neo|Work | George-: correct |
| 21:43.54 | bzdougg | I have a 1700 |
| 21:43.58 | Neo|Work | they won't initially be faster than the fastest athlons today |
| 21:44.08 | bzdougg | 1.4 GHz |
| 21:44.24 | Neo|Work | mind you I am talking MHz, not "artificial rating" |
| 21:44.32 | Neo|Work | the version scheme for opterons are |
| 21:44.40 | bzdougg | :) |
| 21:44.51 | Neo|Work | XYZ where X is 1, 2, 4, 8 and means max number of processors (SMP) of the model |
| 21:45.02 | George- | The number for the SledgeHammer is meant to start at like, 4400+ right? |
| 21:45.09 | bzdougg | HAHAHA |
| 21:45.13 | Neo|Work | and YZ is an arbitrary number whhere XY < AB means that AB is faster |
| 21:45.22 | bzdougg | 4400? thats purty fast |
| 21:45.25 | warmi | yeah, the ugrade will cost me around $700 - 150 CPU, 150 Motheroard, 150 memory , 300 gfx card |
| 21:45.37 | kergoth | bzdougg: mhz doesnt mean much in terms of real world performance |
| 21:45.46 | Neo|Work | so 142 is faster than 140 but 242 might in theory be of different speed than 142 |
| 21:45.46 | bzdougg | kergoth: indeed |
| 21:46.09 | warmi | in the world of XScale CPUs MHZ means literally nothing :-) |
| 21:46.11 | Neo|Work | George-: as I just said, they are dropping the + scheme |
| 21:46.13 | George- | I think all the morons on the planet need to be taken to an isolated placed then nuked. |
| 21:46.22 | George- | Neo|Work: oh right |
| 21:46.23 | bzdougg | but still, 4400 mhz should be rather quicker than your everyday PC :) |
| 21:46.27 | kergoth | George-: there wouldnt be many people left. |
| 21:46.34 | bzdougg | George-: what about the animals on that island?!?! |
| 21:46.36 | George- | kergoth: the elite few :P |
| 21:46.42 | bzdougg | :) |
| 21:46.45 | George- | bzdougg: I'm thinking antarctica ;P |
| 21:46.48 | Neo|Work | bzdougg: that is not number based in reality however |
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| 21:46.57 | warmi | I guess that elite group would include you ,right ? |
| 21:46.59 | Neo|Work | I think by the end of they year, the opterons should be about 3 GHz |
| 21:47.00 | warmi | George ? |
| 21:47.05 | George- | warmi: nah, I'd readily shoot myself :P |
| 21:47.07 | bzdougg | George-: TRAITER! you killed the TUXES! |
| 21:47.19 | bzdougg | Neo|Work: ah |
| 21:47.26 | Neo|Work | but I'm reciting information from flaky memory based on an speculative article |
| 21:47.36 | George- | bzdougg: I care? That's just a fat bloated lump of shit :) |
| 21:47.42 | bzdougg | oh |
| 21:47.49 | Neo|Work | warmi: nice with cheap hardware isn't it? |
| 21:48.00 | bzdougg | then nuke hell, kill all the bsd demons |
| 21:48.22 | warmi | yeah .. well, I am gonna retain my HD, CD-ROM , sound card , network card etc .. but still , it is cheap |
| 21:48.23 | bzdougg | do NetGear wireless cards work on the Z? |
| 21:48.30 | George- | warmi: do you not think I should be nuked with all the rest of the morons on the planet? :P |
| 21:48.48 | bzdougg | George-: if you would push the button, sure! :P |
| 21:48.51 | Neo|Work | warmi: what sound card? what nic? |
| 21:49.00 | warmi | George-: I am trying not to follow this particular thread :-) |
| 21:49.01 | Neo|Work | note that most mobos have those onboard these days |
| 21:49.07 | George- | warmi: hahahahaha |
| 21:49.11 | Neo|Work | the new intel boards even have gigabit onboard |
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| 21:49.29 | bzdougg | Neo|Work: ugh, sound onboard has lots of background noise |
| 21:49.31 | warmi | Neo|Work: Sound Blaster Live 128 ... and intel network card |
| 21:49.50 | Neo|Work | bzdougg: I seriously doubt that is the case these days |
| 21:49.55 | bzdougg | unless you get a (:)) vacuum tube mother board |
| 21:50.05 | absentia | re |
| 21:50.06 | absentia | ok |
| 21:50.07 | absentia | new net card |
| 21:50.09 | bzdougg | Neo|Work: I get noise on my mobo |
| 21:50.10 | absentia | new cf reader |
| 21:50.11 | Neo|Work | the onboard sound easily beats my old monster mx300 card |
| 21:50.17 | Neo|Work | bzdougg: what mobo? |
| 21:50.21 | bzdougg | MSI |
| 21:50.31 | bzdougg | oh, well, if you compare it to that.... |
| 21:50.34 | Neo|Work | what chipset or onboard sound ? |
| 21:50.43 | Neo|Work | and I'm also not a musician |
| 21:50.50 | Neo|Work | if so I'd get an audigy or something |
| 21:51.03 | Neo|Work | or whatever is defined as a professional sound card these days |
| 21:51.07 | bzdougg | well, I use a soundblast card for sound, but if I use onboard I get background noise in my musak |
| 21:51.16 | bzdougg | :P |
| 21:51.17 | George- | warmi: basically, I've been going round the Apple forums telling people they are morons :) |
| 21:51.26 | Neo|Work | bzdougg: I wondered what the onboard sound card is? |
| 21:51.31 | bzdougg | George-: hmm, that would be fun |
| 21:51.33 | George- | warmi: "How is it not fair? Apple aren't there to replace his LCD because he was stupid enough not to send it in before the warranty expired." |
| 21:51.39 | Neo|Work | also it's not like soundblaster in general is know for "good sound quality. :-) |
| 21:51.39 | George- | I'm such a bastard :) |
| 21:51.47 | bzdougg | Neo|Work: let me see if it shows up |
| 21:52.10 | Neo|Work | AC97 based ones seems to be the norm these days |
| 21:52.21 | Neo|Work | 5+1 with s/pdif in/out |
| 21:52.26 | warmi | George-: well, don't do that .. people who critize apple tend to disapear |
| 21:52.34 | bzdougg | soundblaster pci512 is my card... :) 4 speaker surround sound support :P |
| 21:52.51 | bzdougg | Neo|Work: yea, those are better than what I have :) |
| 21:52.56 | George- | warmi: hrmm? |
| 21:53.00 | warmi | anyway .. time for my daily gym visit |
| 21:53.03 | warmi | George-: heh |
| 21:53.07 | George- | warmi goes the gym? hahhahahahaha :P |
| 21:53.09 | bzdougg | warmi: you...... go OUT of the house? |
| 21:53.12 | bzdougg | wow |
| 21:53.19 | bzdougg | hes brave |
| 21:53.21 | mutexer | doh!..I was just about to ask him something |
| 21:53.24 | kergoth | and daily! |
| 21:53.24 | bzdougg | haha |
| 21:53.25 | kergoth | impressive |
| 21:53.36 | bzdougg | even better! :) |
| 21:53.47 | jwiz | daily is not so bad if you only do cardio on some days (not weights every day) |
| 21:54.04 | kergoth | heh, i used to do 3 hours a day, both cardio & weights |
| 21:54.07 | kergoth | that was great |
| 21:54.13 | kergoth | now i dont have the time :( |
| 21:54.15 | jwiz | weights daily? |
| 21:54.17 | George- | kergoth: your exercise is flaming people on IRC isn't it? ;) |
| 21:54.24 | George- | kergoth: and yelling at fuckers down the phone :) |
| 21:54.30 | jwiz | any you didn't overtax your repair system? |
| 21:54.42 | jwiz | i usually do weights every day that I'm not still sore from last time |
| 21:55.01 | kergoth | jwiz: carefully balanced |
| 21:55.03 | jwiz | which ends up being every other day |
| 21:55.29 | kergoth | jwiz: generally upper body, then lower, then plyometrics and intense aerobics on the third day |
| 21:55.36 | kergoth | so the body still has time to recover |
| 21:55.43 | kergoth | abs only every other day, if that |
| 21:55.51 | bzdougg | #exersize |
| 21:55.54 | jwiz | really? I find that I can do abs almost every day |
| 21:56.05 | kergoth | jwiz: you _can_ do abs daily |
| 21:56.09 | kergoth | jwiz: i did for 3 months |
| 21:56.10 | jwiz | oci |
| 21:56.13 | jwiz | err, oic |
| 21:56.21 | kergoth | jwiz: and thne when i took a break for about 2 weeks, all of a sudden _then_ i saw the benefits |
| 21:56.29 | kergoth | jwiz: realized i was overtaxing myself, it wasnt able to heal |
| 21:56.46 | jwiz | i figure, if i'm not sore, than i am healed. |
| 21:56.51 | jwiz | :) |
| 21:56.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:57.24 | Neo|Work | last I excercised was.. what.. 10 yrs ago? |
| 21:57.47 | jwiz | dude, lifting is super-sweet |
| 21:57.52 | George- | I'm a fat bastard |
| 21:57.53 | George- | :P |
| 21:58.13 | jwiz | i litereally doubled my strength in a year, and I wasn't even going that often |
| 21:58.18 | kergoth | jwiz: i finally threw out the cash for a nice olympic weight set, and a bench and rack for my garage |
| 21:58.20 | jwiz | (2-3 times per week) |
| 21:58.21 | ljp_work | sometimes I lift a big 750 ml bottle |
| 21:58.25 | kergoth | jwiz: got a heavy bag as well |
| 21:58.29 | kergoth | jwiz: pretty convenient |
| 21:58.43 | ljp_work | my cat is fairly heavy as well |
| 21:58.45 | jwiz | yeah, we live in an apt, so there's no space for that |
| 21:59.00 | George- | <xterm> The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? |
| 21:59.01 | George- | ROFL |
| 21:59.02 | kergoth | I havent worked out in months, working too many hours a day |
| 21:59.10 | bzdougg | haha |
| 21:59.10 | jwiz | but we have memberships for the next 2 years, and the gym is only .5miles away |
| 21:59.18 | kergoth | George-: yeah, we call that natural selection. |
| 21:59.30 | ljp_work | or anarchy |
| 21:59.37 | kergoth | both! |
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| 22:00.20 | bzdougg | darwinish |
| 22:00.36 | George- | kergoth: haha |
| 22:00.43 | George- | <h|tler> HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU TELL THAT I'M 13 BY LOOKING AT WHAT I'M WRITEING????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 22:00.47 | George- | rofl |
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| 22:01.10 | fishy | LOL George- |
| 22:01.22 | polin8 | its amazing how often you hear that |
| 22:01.23 | mewyn | And let it be proclaimed out onto the world: "I HATE TCF BANK!" |
| 22:01.26 | HandyAndE | ARGH!!! - my zaurus will not switch on after a failed flash, and I cannot re-slash - lights go on for a short while, but then off :( |
| 22:01.31 | HandyAndE | am panicing |
| 22:01.53 | polin8 | did you hit the reset switch after the flaah? |
| 22:02.06 | George- | HandyAndE: take the battery out and leave it for a while, then try to reflash |
| 22:02.09 | polin8 | and quit panicing, its not polite to do in public |
| 22:02.17 | kergoth | mewyn: didnt you mess with converting ttf to qpf at some point? |
| 22:02.33 | HandyAndE | thanks - will try draining the batt |
| 22:02.49 | George- | <factorial_nine> "Male masturbation is a personal turn off for me. As a single woman, I'm especially looking for a man who doesn't masturbate, even while he's single." |
| 22:02.49 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.52 | George- | hahahah |
| 22:03.03 | polin8 | George-: you didn't mean 'a while' like 'drain the battery a while' did you? |
| 22:03.50 | George- | polin8: I mean a while as in rip all forms of power out of the Z then leave it for half an hour :) |
| 22:04.02 | polin8 | thats what I thought |
| 22:04.46 | fliplap | is there a script to run stuff on resume in open zaurus? |
| 22:06.57 | George- | <Fade_> heh, truent, you have a big fat dick up my ass |
| 22:06.57 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:07.32 | polin8 | its getting old George- |
| 22:07.57 | George- | I'm reading bash.org ;) |
| 22:08.19 | jwiz | is that the site with all the irc snippets? |
| 22:08.22 | jwiz | that's a funny site |
| 22:08.44 | jwiz | ah, i see that it is |
| 22:10.17 | polin8 | good site |
| 22:10.29 | polin8 | I understand the temptation to paste now ;) |
| 22:10.32 | jwiz | 21516 is hilarious |
| 22:10.33 | George- | <r-beretta> yes, incest is common for me |
| 22:10.33 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.24 | jwiz | 4278 is probably my personal favorite |
| 22:12.52 | HandyAndE | argh - still no dice, how long to dischare batt? |
| 22:13.17 | polin8 | HandyAndE: your not trying to drain the battery |
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| 22:13.36 | polin8 | did you hit the reset button after the flash? |
| 22:13.38 | Chemeleon | did you rename the files properly? |
| 22:13.51 | HandyAndE | I hit reset many times |
| 22:14.04 | HandyAndE | I have only ospack in cf root |
| 22:14.13 | polin8 | what |
| 22:14.22 | Chemeleon | thought you were trying to install oz? |
| 22:14.23 | polin8 | did you read the install? |
| 22:14.25 | Neo|Work | you might have, if you're unlucky, fucked up the bootloader |
| 22:14.26 | HandyAndE | oops - that is an upgrade.... |
| 22:14.30 | Neo|Work | and then you can't reflash |
| 22:14.47 | HandyAndE | I also have OZ files on the cf |
| 22:14.55 | HandyAndE | they are initrd.bin and zImage |
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| 22:15.06 | Neo|Work | ALSO? |
| 22:15.14 | fliplap | heh, which one does the Z take? |
| 22:15.15 | Neo|Work | wonder if that'll do some fun things. :P |
| 22:15.23 | mewyn | kergoth: yah, a while ago |
| 22:15.34 | kergoth | mewyn: you remember anything? |
| 22:15.36 | kergoth | mewyn: :) |
| 22:15.43 | kergoth | mewyn: i want to make some qpfs |
| 22:15.44 | Chemeleon | HandyAndE, if you're trying to put oz on, remove ospack |
| 22:16.02 | HandyAndE | Neo|Work I move them in and out of a temp folder, only 1 set is in root at each time |
| 22:16.05 | fliplap | hrm, anyone have any idea why my Z randomly disconnects from my linux box? |
| 22:16.11 | George- | http://www.bash.org/?22939 |
| 22:16.32 | HandyAndE | Chemeleon trying that again, think I already did... |
| 22:16.44 | bzdougg | lol |
| 22:17.05 | George- | http://www.bash.org/?56044 |
| 22:18.32 | mewyn | kergoth: nope |
| 22:18.47 | mewyn | i abandoned my efforts to use ttfs when they came around |
| 22:18.57 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 22:19.12 | HandyAndE | fart - removed ospack, replaced with initrd.bin and zImage - lights come on for 15 secs, then go out.... |
| 22:19.21 | bzdougg | ick |
| 22:19.21 | bzdougg | :) |
| 22:19.27 | kergoth | then they're named wrong. or your fileysstem is hosed. |
| 22:19.43 | HandyAndE | fs is OK, checking it on a pocketpc |
| 22:19.48 | kergoth | that means nothing. |
| 22:19.53 | kergoth | the updater is picky |
| 22:19.58 | kergoth | more picky than any other device you have. |
| 22:20.04 | HandyAndE | :( |
| 22:20.09 | HandyAndE | what can i do? |
| 22:20.09 | kergoth | it MUST be fat16 |
| 22:20.18 | George- | http://www.bash.org/?11073 |
| 22:20.20 | George- | HAHAHA |
| 22:20.28 | HandyAndE | I have already successfully used ospack on here to upgrade |
| 22:20.47 | kergoth | HandyAndE: then this will work, and either your files are corrupt or they're named wrong. |
| 22:20.50 | bzdougg | lol |
| 22:21.01 | Neo|Work | HandyAndE: did you try to flash ospack again? |
| 22:21.03 | kergoth | thats it. there are no other possiblities |
| 22:21.03 | Neo|Work | if not, do thbat |
| 22:21.13 | kergoth | no matter how much you _think_ everything is correct |
| 22:21.14 | Neo|Work | kergoth: isn't that little text file needed anymore? |
| 22:21.17 | kergoth | it obviously isnt, or it'd work |
| 22:21.21 | kergoth | Neo|Work: nope, it was never required |
| 22:21.26 | Neo|Work | ah, ok |
| 22:21.51 | noidd | we just copied it for outr health |
| 22:22.01 | kergoth | no, there was a specific reason for it |
| 22:22.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:22.07 | kergoth | George-: lol |
| 22:22.07 | bzdougg | oh? |
| 22:22.33 | kergoth | a speicific reason i really dont feel like going into at the moment, as i'm busy trying to not insult this stupid motherfucker on my phone |
| 22:22.49 | George- | kergoth: heinously rascist :) |
| 22:22.53 | George- | s/rascist/racist |
| 22:23.01 | HandyAndE | Neo|Work trying to reflash ospack now |
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| 22:24.40 | George- | shit |
| 22:24.44 | bzdougg | lol |
| 22:25.21 | HandyAndE | ospack is failing with same led short lighting |
| 22:28.14 | HandyAndE | oh hell, thisis bad |
| 22:28.16 | fliplap | would there be some reason that the Z disconnects after send/recieving a certain amount of data, cause thats my only guess now |
| 22:28.40 | kergoth | fliplap: desktop usb driver sucks. |
| 22:28.40 | fliplap | or is it maybe a usbdnet problem? |
| 22:28.43 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:28.45 | fliplap | uhg |
| 22:29.02 | fliplap | is there a known good version maybe? |
| 22:29.28 | HandyAndE | use a 2.4.21 + kernel |
| 22:29.33 | HandyAndE | I use 2.5.67 ;) |
| 22:29.34 | kergoth | usbnet |
| 22:29.41 | HandyAndE | usbnet works like a dream |
| 22:29.57 | fliplap | hrm, ok, i take it thats without a patch right? |
| 22:29.59 | George- | usbnet rocks |
| 22:30.05 | HandyAndE | without patch yeah |
| 22:30.14 | fliplap | ok, development kernel here i come |
| 22:30.40 | George- | I have the usbnet patch online at http://zorian.ath.cx/files |
| 22:31.20 | fliplap | thats different from usbdnet yes? |
| 22:31.26 | kergoth | yes |
| 22:31.29 | kergoth | usbnet != usbdnet |
| 22:31.33 | fliplap | ok |
| 22:31.35 | George- | usbnet <<<<< usbdnet :) |
| 22:31.51 | kergoth | George-: uh |
| 22:31.55 | fliplap | yeah uh |
| 22:31.58 | George- | uh |
| 22:32.06 | George- | woops |
| 22:32.20 | fliplap | you're either saying usbdnet is going into usbnet a bunch, or that usbdnet is much better |
| 22:32.22 | George- | usbnet >>>>>>>>> usbdnet :) |
| 22:32.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:32.29 | fliplap | mkay |
| 22:33.04 | George- | ibot: lart george |
| 22:33.11 | George- | ibot: botsnack |
| 22:33.11 | | aw, gee, George- |
| 22:33.53 | fliplap | crazy infobots |
| 22:34.10 | George- | fliplap: it's a blootbot. |
| 22:34.18 | George- | kergoth: want to frighten yourself? |
| 22:34.24 | George- | kergoth: http://zorian.ath.cx/images/me.jpg |
| 22:34.26 | George- | rofl |
| 22:34.33 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:34.35 | fliplap | i miss big cool infobots, seems they aren't cool anymore |
| 22:34.45 | George- | kergoth: it's a picture of myself :P |
| 22:34.52 | George- | kergoth: looking totally blank :) |
| 22:34.59 | jwiz | candid then? |
| 22:35.01 | kergoth | ibot: england |
| 22:35.03 | | rumour has it, england is Harry-Potter-Land |
| 22:35.07 | darienm | YIKES !!! |
| 22:35.09 | George- | jwiz: nah, I took it myself |
| 22:35.13 | George- | darienm: :P |
| 22:35.15 | jwiz | lol, nm |
| 22:35.30 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez |
| 22:35.33 | TheMasterMind1 | you look like you're 10 |
| 22:35.37 | George- | ..... |
| 22:35.42 | George- | you bastard! |
| 22:35.46 | TheMasterMind1 | darienm: hey |
| 22:35.51 | TheMasterMind1 | darienm: i got the lg5350 |
| 22:35.52 | darienm | Hey |
| 22:35.52 | jwiz | (i was trying to imply that you were always looking blank, and thus a candid photo would show you looking blank) |
| 22:35.53 | TheMasterMind1 | its awesome |
| 22:35.54 | TheMasterMind1 | great phone |
| 22:35.56 | darienm | oh yeah? |
| 22:36.05 | darienm | Which was that? Nextel or Sprint? |
| 22:36.07 | George- | jwiz: .......... |
| 22:36.08 | TheMasterMind1 | and i get nice speeds with laptop |
| 22:36.09 | TheMasterMind1 | sprint |
| 22:36.13 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop + usb cable |
| 22:36.25 | TheMasterMind1 | i gotta do some circuitry and get a serial cable to work with zaurus |
| 22:36.27 | TheMasterMind1 | will do that soon |
| 22:36.30 | TheMasterMind1 | just need a level convertor |
| 22:36.32 | darienm | K, I gotta run. |
| 22:36.36 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 22:36.40 | Neo|Work | fliplap: do you happen to have CDCEther module loaded? |
| 22:37.43 | fliplap | fraid not |
| 22:37.53 | George- | I AM NOT TEN |
| 22:37.55 | George- | :P |
| 22:38.01 | Neo|Work | fliplap: ok, I had similar problems then |
| 22:38.11 | TheMasterMind1 | George-: sorry, 11 then? |
| 22:38.16 | George- | ... |
| 22:38.21 | George- | ibot george- |
| 22:38.22 | | you are probably george- a troll wanna-be |
| 22:38.27 | Neo|Work | no, he's 9½ |
| 22:38.38 | George- | Neo|Work: I'm 7. |
| 22:38.46 | George- | *2 |
| 22:38.46 | TheMasterMind1 | seriously |
| 22:38.47 | polin8 | George-: bash.org #26369 |
| 22:38.50 | George- | +1 |
| 22:38.52 | TheMasterMind1 | you look like you're no older than 12 |
| 22:39.48 | George- | polin8: we managed to get a guy last year to rm -rf $KDEDIR whilst logged in as root on April Fools day in #KDE :) |
| 22:40.08 | George- | polin8: he was like "ARGH! IT TOOK ME A WEEK TO GET KDE WORKING!!!!" |
| 22:40.28 | fliplap | hehe, wow you do look 12 |
| 22:40.33 | George- | fliplap: bastard. |
| 22:40.39 | George- | fliplap: I took that photo yesterday |
| 22:40.43 | polin8 | heh, you _know_ someone told him not to run as root |
| 22:40.48 | fliplap | and like a geek, get some new clothes |
| 22:40.56 | George- | fliplap: they were my pyjamas :P |
| 22:41.00 | fliplap | sure |
| 22:41.29 | polin8 | usually the 12 year olds on IRC turn out to be fat 45 year old men, not the other way around |
| 22:41.36 | Neo|Work | you kind of look like the robot boy in AI |
| 22:41.44 | fliplap | and some new furniture, that looks like my grandmas house |
| 22:41.45 | George- | blither |
| 22:42.47 | George- | look at the room pictures I have as well :) |
| 22:42.50 | George- | (photos of my bedroom) |
| 22:42.54 | George- | I like my tux :) |
| 22:44.39 | fliplap | i'm going to tell you this for your own good |
| 22:44.51 | fliplap | girls are _not_ impressed by stuffed animals |
| 22:45.12 | fliplap | except when they are won at a fair |
| 22:45.20 | Neo|Work | depends on the girl. :) |
| 22:45.37 | George- | fliplap: I LIKE MY TUX! |
| 22:45.46 | George- | fliplap: and _no one_ is going to take it away from me |
| 22:45.46 | fliplap | Neo|Work: ok ok, and 9 year old girls |
| 22:47.25 | bzdougg | I dont see a photo |
| 22:47.43 | bzdougg | ah |
| 22:48.02 | fliplap | get a new chair too |
| 22:48.07 | George- | fliplap: I'm going to. |
| 22:48.09 | bzdougg | indeed |
| 22:48.53 | bzdougg | bingo, found the person to rob tonight! |
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| 22:51.52 | fliplap | nice background picture tho, very englandish |
| 22:52.42 | George- | fliplap: hah |
| 22:54.10 | Neo|Work | my money is deposited. Now to decide what to actually buy |
| 22:54.17 | Neo|Work | descisions decisions... |
| 22:54.27 | kergoth | bleh |
| 22:54.37 | Chemeleon | this stupid wireless cf card has the right ip (assigned statically) and is finding the base station, but it won't let me ping anything or browse the web :\ |
| 22:54.38 | kergoth | my money is in bills, now to decide which flavor of ramen to eat tonight |
| 22:55.06 | polin8 | picante beef |
| 22:55.16 | fliplap | http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjkhan/2580screen.jpg |
| 22:55.24 | fliplap | there's my desktop right now |
| 22:56.00 | Neo|Work | kergoth: well, I sold my entire set of stock for this |
| 22:56.13 | mutexer | Neo|Work: ever used gapiDraw? |
| 22:56.16 | Neo|Work | polin8: a definite favorite |
| 22:56.27 | Neo|Work | mutexer: nope and I'll end up using GAPI and warmi's asm code |
| 22:57.10 | Neo|Work | polin8: I always add extra cayenne pepper too |
| 22:57.16 | Neo|Work | on just about everything but.. |
| 22:57.32 | fliplap | mmm beef |
| 22:58.14 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I'm still amazed my wife is letting me do it. :-P |
| 22:58.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:58.49 | Neo|Work | but I am not complaining |
| 22:59.09 | Neo|Work | just have to figure out what to do with the old boxes too |
| 22:59.31 | Neo|Work | I think the dual celeron 500 would make a good fileserver |
| 23:01.35 | fliplap | usb-to-usb networking for cables, PDAs, and other devices ...thats usbnet right? |
| 23:01.52 | fliplap | or rather, the one i need at least |
| 23:02.17 | Neo|Work | you need usbdnet |
| 23:02.20 | Neo|Work | note the 'd'] |
| 23:02.29 | fliplap | i mean in the 2.5.x kernel |
| 23:03.02 | fliplap | usbdnet seems to suck in my expierence |
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| 23:12.51 | nichos | has anyone had any luck w/vnc? i try to vnc into it from my linux box, a window opens up called 'zaurus' then it quits with this: ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::SystemException: read: Connection reset by peer (104) |
| 23:14.25 | George- | fliplap: http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjkhan/ellen.jpg <-- You sick bastard |
| 23:16.22 | fliplap | haha |
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| 23:16.42 | Neo|Work | fliplap: usbnet is != usbdnet |
| 23:16.52 | fliplap | Neo|Work: yes i know |
| 23:17.18 | Neo|Work | so |
| 23:17.20 | Neo|Work | point being |
| 23:17.27 | Neo|Work | if you want to talk to the zaurus, you need usbdnet |
| 23:17.46 | fliplap | someone mentioned earlier that usbnet (without the d) works |
| 23:18.06 | George- | Neo|Work: I'm using usbnet. |
| 23:19.34 | Neo|Work | uh, ok |
| 23:19.36 | Neo|Work | strange |
| 23:19.39 | Neo|Work | whatever. :P |
| 23:20.03 | George- | Neo|Work: http://zorian.ath.cx/files/usbnet-2.4.21-rc7.tar.gz |
| 23:20.07 | George- | Neo|Work: :P |
| 23:20.39 | Neo|Work | I only use it for the a300 and I hyave an rpm for that |
| 23:20.57 | nichos | has anyone had any luck w/vnc? i try to vnc into it from my linux box, a window opens up called 'zaurus' then it quits with this: ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::SystemException: read: Connection reset by peer (104) |
| 23:21.06 | nichos | and when i run minimal_up, i get a window, w/nothing in it, just white |
| 23:24.08 | George- | I wonder if /ignore can be classified as censorship? |
| 23:24.08 | George- | :P |
| 23:24.37 | noidd | no |
| 23:24.51 | noidd | because you are not stopping someone speaking, you are stopping yourself from listening |
| 23:25.04 | George- | kick/banning? |
| 23:25.15 | George- | chan mode +m? |
| 23:25.15 | George- | :P |
| 23:25.20 | noidd | thats not really censorship either |
| 23:25.23 | nichos | wtf? i lost my games tab |
| 23:25.34 | noidd | since you are not stopping someone talking, you are saying that someone cant talk there |
| 23:25.40 | noidd | censorship is actually pretty rare |
| 23:25.40 | treke|laptop | George-: dont make me reginald denny you |
| 23:25.46 | George- | ? |
| 23:25.51 | noidd | axcept in the peoples republic of Blairdom |
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| 23:28.37 | nichos | has anyone had any luck w/vnc? i try to vnc into it from my linux box, a window opens up called 'zaurus' then it quits with this: ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::SystemException: read: Connection reset by peer (104) |
| 23:28.39 | nichos | and when i run minimal_up, i get a window, w/nothing in it, just white |
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| 23:44.28 | nichos | here ya go George- http://opie.info/~opielook/entry.php?id=54 |
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| 23:45.25 | Neo|Work | gah |
| 23:46.00 | nichos | ive lost my games tab, and the pkg manager says games are installed, i checked launcher tabs, and it doesnt show up |
| 23:50.44 | George- | nichos: you sick twisted child |
| 23:51.17 | nichos | thats not my work, just found it;) |
| 23:51.22 | nichos | is she like 12 or something? |
| 23:51.44 | nichos | damn, wtf is up w/my games tab |
| 23:52.28 | George- | nichos: prolly 15 or 16 |
| 23:52.37 | George- | who the hell *is* Ellen Feiss anyway |
| 23:52.39 | nichos | nice... |
| 23:52.44 | nichos | shes the apple ad girl |
| 23:52.47 | nichos | you have mplayer? |
| 23:52.56 | George- | I know she's the Apple ad girl |
| 23:53.01 | George- | but who *is* she? |
| 23:53.02 | George- | lol |
| 23:53.10 | George- | I've never heard of her |
| 23:53.11 | George- | :P |
| 23:53.25 | George- | is she just some random kid apple picked off the streets? |
| 23:53.34 | nichos | wget http://a816.g.akamai.net/7/816/51/28ca24816ab/www.apple.com/switch/ads/images/ellenfeiss.mov |
| 23:53.50 | nichos | yeah, they're all suppose to be nobody's: http://www.apple.com/switch/ads/ |
| 23:53.54 | nichos | though will farrel is there;) |
| 23:54.08 | George- | Tony Hawk is a nobody? :P |
| 23:54.19 | nichos | oh, well... |
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