irclog2html for #zaurus on 20030416

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`00:04.37`	`posix4`	`would it be alright if someone would hook me up with an opera package, i don't have a 16 meg flash (it is only like 14.5 megs so i can't make the ipk)?`
`00:05.40`	`jwiz`	`hmmm`
`00:05.57`	`posix4`	`unless you can figure out another way for me to get it?`
`00:06.00`	`jwiz`	`i wonder if the new format is why I can't get various ipks to install on my gf's SharpROM'd zaurus`
`00:06.48`	`jwiz`	`i'lll have to try to split them apart, and put them back together`
`00:06.59`	`jwiz`	`i really mostly want opie-reader`
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`00:09.34`	`pyromance`	`ok i AM BACK`
`00:09.39`	`pyromance`	`friggin caps lock`
`00:09.41`	`doughecka`	`oh dear`
`00:09.42`	`doughecka`	`run`
`00:09.44`	`pyromance`	`I just dropped into n00b`
`00:09.57`	`doughecka`	`ah ah ah....`
`00:09.59`	`doughecka`	`tc`
`00:10.00`	`doughecka`	`etc`
`00:10.11`	`pyromance`	`I wonder if I can port Carmageddon to the Z`
`00:10.31`	`pyromance`	`we need a first-person car wreck game`
`00:10.33`	`posix4`	`i will ask for the new people`
`00:10.36`	`posix4`	`would it be alright if someone would hook me up with an opera package, i don't have a 16 meg flash (it is only like 14.5 megs so i can't make the ipk)?`
`00:11.13`	`doughecka`	`pyromance: hmm`
`00:11.20`	`doughecka`	`pyromance: patches and binarys welcome`
`00:11.20`	`pyromance`	`Isn't that illegal, posix?`
`00:11.21`	`pyromance`	`hehe`
`00:12.06`	`posix4`	`pyromance: maybe a little but i did get opera from them so it wouldn't be breaking the spirit of the law`
`00:12.06`	`pyromance`	`The opera IPK is just 1.7 megs`
`00:12.22`	`posix4`	`pyromance: but i can't install the origianl image and i have openzaurus`
`00:12.31`	`posix4`	`don't i need the image to make the ipk`
`00:12.34`	`pyromance`	`doh! hehe`
`00:12.49`	`pyromance`	`I think the reinstall of this uses bash, so make a /bin/bash that points to /bin/sh`
`00:12.58`	`tux_mike`	`why can't you install the original image?`
`00:13.11`	`posix4`	`tux_mike: my cf card says 16megs but it is only 14.5`
`00:13.21`	`posix4`	`openzaurus just fits but their image is 16`
`00:13.31`	`doughecka`	`reformat!`
`00:13.32`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`00:13.34`	`tux_mike`	`get a bigger CF`
`00:13.38`	`tux_mike`	`simple solution`
`00:13.42`	`doughecka`	`tux_mike: doh`
`00:13.49`	`doughecka`	`shouldnt thought of that`
`00:13.54`	`posix4`	`tux_mike: hmm but i already have sd card and wouldn't use the cf for anything except this one flash`
`00:14.00`	`posix4`	`that seems like a waste of money`
`00:14.16`	`posix4`	`I would probably send it back to get it reflashed first`
`00:14.21`	`doughecka`	`ick`
`00:14.43`	`tux_mike`	`it's like $15. you could use it for other stuff too`
`00:14.44`	`treke\|home`	`and sending it in to get reflashed wouldnt be?`
`00:14.45`	`posix4`	`anyways this is not stealing, after all i do have liscense for the software`
`00:14.49`	`posix4`	`tux_mike like what`
`00:15.06`	`tux_mike`	`more storage :P`
`00:15.09`	`treke\|home`	`posix4: its easy to claim you have licenses for it. harder to prove :)`
`00:15.10`	`posix4`	`sending it in to get reflashed wouldn't be what ?`
`00:15.11`	`pyromance`	`But do you have a license for the software?`
`00:15.12`	`pyromance`	`hehe`
`00:15.20`	`pyromance`	`(picking on spelling)`
`00:15.27`	`treke\|home`	`posix4: a waste of money.`
`00:15.35`	`posix4`	`treke\|home: 4 dollars`
`00:15.36`	`treke\|home`	`posix4: Its probably cheaper to buy a cf card`
`00:15.44`	`posix4`	`treke\|home: firstclass mail`
`00:16.22`	`posix4`	`i can't use it for more storage because i usally use the cf for other things anyways`
`00:16.22`	`tux_mike`	`http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10251878&loc=101`
`00:16.58`	`tux_mike`	`plus, they may have a loophole in the warranty on reflashing it. it may not be covered`
`00:17.05`	`posix4`	`wouldn't i have to pay for shipping of that?`
`00:17.19`	`tux_mike`	`read the page`
`00:17.22`	`posix4`	`tux_mike: they said they would do it`
`00:17.27`	`posix4`	`oh`
`00:17.40`	`tux_mike`	`it puts your Z out of commission for a week`
`00:17.48`	`posix4`	`hmm`
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`00:18.07`	`posix4`	`I don't think i am going to pay 17 dollars for opera`
`00:18.30`	`tux_mike`	`OZ may get bigger too.`
`00:18.39`	`posix4`	`tux_mike: would i have to reflash?`
`00:18.44`	`treke\|home`	`tux_mike: not likely`
`00:18.53`	`tux_mike`	`treke: hush :P`
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`00:19.01`	`posix4`	`where: are the buildscripts?`
`00:19.03`	`treke\|home`	`tux_mike: Its not exactly like oz has room to grow :)`
`00:19.03`	`pyromance`	`Mental note`
`00:19.05`	`posix4`	`for opie`
`00:19.12`	`tux_mike`	`it has a little`
`00:19.21`	`pyromance`	`Never play with the SD card slot on a Z while it's up and running and you have apps installed on it`
`00:19.22`	`treke\|home`	`posix4: in the opie source`
`00:19.35`	`posix4`	`ok`
`00:19.39`	`treke\|home`	`tux_mike: The rom is only 16mb. there isnt any more room :)`
`00:20.00`	`posix4`	`treke\|home: but it is only like 14.5 megs right?`
`00:20.03`	`tux_mike`	`it has like 4M free in /, it can grow`
`00:20.05`	`treke\|home`	`posix4: dunno`
`00:20.43`	`treke\|home`	`right, but it cant get bigger than 16megs`
`00:20.57`	`posix4`	`treke\|home: my card is only 14.5`
`00:21.00`	`tux_mike`	`nor can the sharp`
`00:21.16`	`tux_mike`	`the FS overhead on the card takes up a bit of space`
`00:21.26`	`posix4`	`it could require some ram and uncompress some bins on the second boot but that would be a hack`
`00:21.52`	`treke\|home`	`god that would be a maintanance nightmare :)`
`00:22.23`	`treke\|home`	`krezel: it will`
`00:22.24`	`doughecka`	`krezel: patches welcome`
`00:22.34`	`krezel`	`Gotta pass my classes first`
`00:22.37`	`krezel`	`then I'll hack :)`
`00:23.14`	`treke\|home`	`the plan is for the documents tab to use an OFileSelector`
`00:23.14`	`pyromance`	`What's the difference between the OZ tab and the 5600 tab?`
`00:23.19`	`krezel`	`Nice`
`00:23.37`	`krezel`	`treke\|home: is there an Opie API resource like the Qt API pages?`
`00:23.47`	`treke\|home`	`krezel: no`
`00:24.02`	`treke\|home`	`there is excellant documentation though`
`00:24.11`	`krezel`	`cool`
`00:24.12`	`treke\|home`	`refer to library/.h and libopie/.h`
`00:24.24`	`treke\|home`	`always up to the minute and accurate`
`00:24.26`	`krezel`	`as long as the headers are good, thats enough`
`00:25.26`	`krezel`	`treke\|home: whats a good example of what an OFileSelector looks like? Opie-FTP?`
`00:25.28`	`posix4`	`Why do none of the compiles have -Os in their CFLAGS?`
`00:25.48`	`posix4`	`except for omniorb`
`00:25.57`	`posix4`	`oh nevermind`
`00:26.18`	`posix4`	`wouldn't -O3 make the code bigger not smaller?`
`00:26.57`	`tux_mike`	`yes, -O3 optimizes for speed, not necisarily size`
`00:27.25`	`Pendalar`	`www.petlinux.com is interesting..`
`00:27.30`	`posix4`	`I see`
`00:27.38`	`krezel`	`installing linux on housepets?`
`00:27.43`	`tux_mike`	`but it may be smaller, it has been known to happen`
`00:28.00`	`Pendalar`	`yeah tamagotchi on linux OS =-P read it`
`00:31.09`	`posix4`	`So all the packages are using -Os or -O3 then?`
`00:31.30`	`posix4`	`If i can shave 256k off the distro can i get the opera ipk?`
`00:33.06`	`tux_mike`	`no one can give you an opera ipk`
`00:33.35`	`jwiz`	`i would, if i had one`
`00:33.52`	`posix4`	`i thought it generates an actuall ipk`
`00:34.05`	`jwiz`	`that was my understanding`
`00:34.19`	`posix4`	`tux_mike:can't or wont?`
`00:34.24`	`jwiz`	`my fiancee's Z still has the sharp rom, so I might rip it at some poitn`
`00:34.31`	`tux_mike`	`yes, it copies the files into an ipk, it's illegal to distribute`
`00:34.33`	`jwiz`	`i probably will rip the java thinger`
`00:34.47`	`tux_mike`	`jwiz: keep it out of here.`
`00:34.55`	`jwiz`	`fine fine`
`00:35.13`	`tux_mike`	`do not even mention it, it is grounds for the chan to get shut down`
`00:35.15`	`posix4`	`hmm, is their anyway to get it without installing the sharp image. Or is that unlawful also.`
`00:35.35`	`tux_mike`	`you may be able to use some of the rom exploder utils`
`00:35.39`	`krezel`	`anybody feel daring enough to try out my app?`
`00:35.48`	`posix4`	`k`
`00:35.48`	`tux_mike`	`what is it?`
`00:36.01`	`posix4`	`krezel: if you ship me the source`
`00:36.04`	`krezel`	`MP3 player based of iTunes`
`00:36.05`	`posix4`	`I'll compile it`
`00:36.13`	`posix4`	`ooh ooh how small is it?`
`00:36.39`	`tux_mike`	`i could do it later in the week... got any screenies?`
`00:36.56`	`krezel`	`http://sourceforge.net/projects/ztunes/`
`00:36.58`	`Pendalar`	`I wonder if petlinux would ever come to be a decent alternative for zaurus users`
`00:37.04`	`krezel`	`screenies... one sec, I'll do one better`
`00:37.11`	`Pendalar`	`it says for strongarm etc`
`00:38.57`	`tux_mike`	`i don't like it, plus no apps`
`00:39.11`	`krezel`	`http://sailinghouse.dyndns.org/~krezel/ztunes/`
`00:39.28`	`krezel`	`photos, screenshots, videos, and the ipkg`
`00:40.27`	`krezel`	`watch out, theres some issues with this version so if you want to try it, let me know and i'll tell you what to watch for`
`00:41.15`	`tux_mike`	`hrm... i don't have enough storage, actually, to hold many mp3s`
`00:41.32`	`krezel`	`tux_mike: that a problem`
`00:41.39`	`tux_mike`	`yup`
`00:41.44`	`posix4`	`the rom is just a zipfile wow`
`00:41.56`	`krezel`	`thats what those 2gb CF cards are for`
`00:42.26`	`posix4`	`just stream it from you cell phone`
`00:42.47`	`posix4`	`i just wish opie-mediaplayer2 buffered better`
`00:44.52`	`posix4`	`wouldn't it be crazy if we could get opie-mediaplayer2 on the zaurus with konquerer embedded`
`00:44.57`	`posix4`	`that would maek me so happy`
`00:45.02`	`posix4`	`i mean on it as in on the rom`
`00:45.36`	`posix4`	`as far as i am concerned programs on the sd is kinda freaky. Although I would be ok if opie had an md5 verfifier interface`
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`00:46.28`	`tux_mike`	`i've never haqd a problem with a program on SD`
`00:47.44`	`posix4`	`Well it is a lot more secure on the rom right. It would be a lot more difficult to trojan a program. Where as with sd someone could easily eject it edit and trojan it in my sleep. I live in a frat house.`
`00:48.12`	`tux_mike`	`lock and key`
`00:48.37`	`krezel`	`posix4: In a frat house, I'd be surprised if any of them knew WHAT a trojan was, except for the obvious alternative :)`
`00:48.52`	`posix4`	`tux_mike: good idea`
`00:49.12`	`posix4`	`krezel: you would be surpriesed, we aren't exactly the most normal frat.`
`00:49.15`	`tux_mike`	`krezel: yah`
`00:49.29`	`krezel`	`posix4: Lamda Lamda Lamda?`
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`00:49.52`	`tux_mike`	`hey warmi`
`00:49.54`	`posix4`	`krezel: psi upsilon and i don't appreciate the revenge of the nerds reference`
`00:50.02`	`krezel`	`sorry man`
`00:50.11`	`posix4`	`its ok`
`00:50.15`	`posix4`	`i am not really that upset.`
`00:50.17`	`krezel`	`One of my friends here was a Psi U`
`00:50.27`	`posix4`	`neat`
`00:50.40`	`krezel`	`posix4: where at?`
`00:51.16`	`Pendalar`	`god that's sad`
`00:51.29`	`Pendalar`	`I emailed sharp a long time ago about bad pixels`
`00:51.39`	`Pendalar`	`they emailed me back this:`
`00:51.46`	`Pendalar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:52.01`	`doughecka`	`Pendalar: bummer`
`00:52.14`	`Pendalar`	`after a month and 4 days of waitin`
`00:52.25`	`doughecka`	`but the first powerbook had to have at least like 20 good pixals to be able to pass`
`00:52.27`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`00:52.36`	`warmi`	`hi`
`00:52.36`	`doughecka`	`Pendalar: how long did it take for a reply?`
`00:52.40`	`doughecka`	`hi`
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`01:36.46`	`tux_mike`	`re warmi`
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`01:37.46`	`CodeYoddler`	`how many mb of ram does zaurus have?`
`01:37.53`	`some-gigh`	`Are there any known problems with mediaplayer 2, and stable for the zaurus?`
`01:38.10`	`cynTop`	`all zaurii come with 32mb of ram available`
`01:38.15`	`cynTop`	`by default`
`01:38.45`	`Matthew_I`	`is it possible for me to put a 600meg divix movie on a gig cf card and watch it on my z?`
`01:38.47`	`cynTop`	`5500 has 64 of actual physical ram, 5600/b500/c700 have 32`
`01:38.56`	`cynTop`	`dunno that the battery would last :P`
`01:40.31`	`George-`	`cynTop: 5000D has 32MB too`
`01:40.35`	`masticator`	`matthew: its possible, I've done it.`
`01:40.53`	`ljp`	`opie mediaplayer 2 is still beta.`
`01:40.54`	`masticator`	`however, it is hardly practical.`
`01:41.07`	`masticator`	`I've done it with tkcvideo`
`01:41.12`	`masticator`	`and demoed it at trade shows.`
`01:41.30`	`masticator`	`still requires ac power`
`01:41.44`	`masticator`	`because you will juice the zaurus faster than it will take to play out the movie on battery power.`
`01:41.52`	`some-gigh`	`ljp is the unstable one better?`
`01:42.12`	`ljp`	`depends`
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`01:42.27`	`some-gigh`	`ljp and ive ran the update, and i cant find it in unstable`
`01:42.29`	`ljp`	`I cant use op2 on my 5000d because it needs too much memory`
`01:42.31`	`some-gigh`	`it lists, but wont download`
`01:42.44`	`George-`	`ljp: strange, op2 runs fine here on my 5kd`
`01:42.50`	`CodeYoddler`	`Why does 5600 have less ram than 5500?`
`01:43.03`	`George-`	`CodeYoddler: it has 64MB flash`
`01:43.34`	`ljp`	`George-: causwe you got that goofy mem config`
`01:43.38`	`some-gigh`	`ljp any alternatives?`
`01:43.44`	`George-`	`ljp: 32-0 isn't goofy`
`01:43.45`	`ljp`	`op1`
`01:43.51`	`ljp`	`yes thats goofy`
`01:43.55`	`George-`	`how?`
`01:44.01`	`George-`	`it's the True Way`
`01:44.02`	`George-`	`:)`
`01:44.30`	`some-gigh`	`ljp op1?`
`01:44.31`	`ljp`	`unnatural`
`01:44.37`	`ljp`	`opieplayer`
`01:44.47`	`George-`	`does op� play divx?`
`01:45.07`	`ljp`	`not opie-mediaplayer. op2 plays everything xine does.`
`01:45.14`	`ljp`	`op2 for divx`
`01:45.37`	`George-`	`what's xmms with the mplayer plugin like?`
`01:45.46`	`chouimat\|tv`	`~lart George- for fun`
`01:46.04`	`chouimat\|tv`	`~lart George- for fun`
`01:46.18`	`chouimat\|tv`	`~lart George- for fun`
`01:47.07`	`chouimat\|tv`	`weatherbot: weather cyqg`
`01:47.08`	`weatherbot`	`Current conditions at Windsor, Ont., Canada: It is 23 C (75 F), windspeed is 24.14 km/h, and visibility is 24.14 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.16 0100 UTC).`
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`01:47.11`	`chouimat\|tv`	`weatherbot: weather cyqb`
`01:47.13`	`weatherbot`	`Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 5 C (42 F), windspeed is 9.66 km/h, and visibility is 1.61 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.16 0100 UTC).`
`01:50.46`	`*** join/#zaurus Vano (~vano@195-57-122-17.uc.nombres.ttd.es)`
`01:51.43`	`Vano`	`hi all... does zaurus email software behave properly with IMAP?`
`01:51.50`	`Vano`	`if anyone uses that combination that is :)`
`01:52.00`	`ljp`	`email?`
`01:52.10`	`masticator`	`weatherbot: weather KEWR`
`01:52.12`	`weatherbot`	`Current conditions at Newark, Newark International Airport, NJ, United States: It is 23 C (73 F), windspeed is 27.36 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.16 0051 UTC).`
`01:52.19`	`masticator`	`aaaaahhhh,`
`01:52.20`	`Vano`	`ljp yep.. email`
`01:52.25`	`masticator`	`please god, let it stay that way.`
`01:53.08`	`Vano`	`stock email software, or other decent ones which will work with an imap`
`01:53.25`	`Vano`	`sever rather`
`01:53.29`	`Vano`	`server .. darn`
`01:53.46`	`ljp`	`dunno.`
`01:53.57`	`Vano`	`k`
`01:54.09`	`Vano`	`I can see in the specs that the stock email program supports IMAP`
`01:54.18`	`Vano`	`but I wonder what it does when there are megs and megs of headers...`
`01:54.21`	`masticator`	`the 5500 one does.`
`01:54.25`	`Vano`	`would it downlaod the whole thing or...`
`01:54.28`	`masticator`	`as does the 5600 one.`
`01:54.38`	`masticator`	`the 5500 one, however, doesnt implement folders correctly.`
`01:54.46`	`Vano`	`alright..`
`01:54.58`	`masticator`	`sharp will have a updated rom for the 5500 soon.`
`01:55.16`	`Vano`	`I just wonder whether it is possible to set a limit (by date maybe or number of messages) on the client`
`01:55.29`	`Vano`	`but it is wishfull thinking such an option would exist .. just wondering`
`01:55.36`	`masticator`	`hmm I dont think the stock one does that.`
`01:55.38`	`Vano`	`great..`
`01:55.40`	`untorn`	`where are the zaurus rom test versions available`
`01:55.42`	`masticator`	`its an all or nothing propositon.`
`01:55.50`	`masticator`	`untorn: there aint none.`
`01:55.53`	`Vano`	`alright.. what I thought... hmmm`
`01:55.54`	`masticator`	`sharp doesnt release betas.`
`01:56.06`	`ljp`	`masticator: zaurus line hasnt changed from 16 bit color has it?`
`01:56.08`	`masticator`	`you want state of the art, you gotta use OpenZaurus.`
`01:56.10`	`untorn`	`masticator: mean for oz`
`01:56.10`	`Vano`	`lets hope the new ROM fixes that..`
`01:56.18`	`untorn`	`*meant`
`01:56.21`	`masticator`	`ljp: not in the 5600 it hasnt, no`
`01:56.31`	`masticator`	`5600 has the same screen as the 5500.`
`01:56.51`	`Vano`	`ljp I use a less than 16bit tft monitor on a daily basis ... so not that much of a problem :)`
`01:57.07`	`chouimat\|tv`	`masticator: they forecast -1C tomorrow :(`
`01:57.18`	`Vano`	`infact I really wonder whether there is a true colour tft screen out there`
`01:57.26`	`ljp`	`well, just wondering as I start making helix write frames to the framebuffer`
`01:57.35`	`Vano`	`helix ?`
`01:58.24`	`Vano`	`gnome ?`
`01:58.49`	`ljp`	`no realnetworks helix :D`
`01:59.01`	`Vano`	`ohhh ... hehe`
`01:59.58`	`masticator`	`chou: that better be quebec, not jersey`
`02:00.12`	`chouimat\|tv`	`masticator: quebec I got 16C today ....`
`02:00.28`	`chouimat\|grocery`	`brb need food and beers`
`02:01.37`	`ljp`	`just have to figure out how helix does it's stuff`
`02:02.49`	`masticator`	`holy shit, check this thing out`
`02:02.51`	`masticator`	`http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9382400943.html`
`02:03.52`	`masticator`	`looks like a Star Trek PADD`
`02:04.24`	`tux_mike`	`but really expensive`
`02:04.52`	`tux_mike`	`warmi's company, tribune media services, does the content for this`
`02:05.43`	`ljp`	`hmm`
`02:06.47`	`George-`	`cya all`
`02:07.19`	`ljp`	`yay!!`
`02:07.31`	George`ZZzz	`ljp: bastard.`
`02:07.37`	`tux_mike`	`hurray!`
`02:07.40`	George`ZZzz	`:)`
`02:07.43`	George`ZZzz	`shut up! :P`
`02:07.53`	`tux_mike`	`take your time, sleep in as long as you want!`
`02:08.06`	George`ZZzz	`nah`
`02:08.09`	George`ZZzz	`I'm getting up early`
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`02:08.19`	George`ZZzz	`(early in comparison to 2pm)`
`02:08.20`	George`ZZzz	`lol`
`02:08.22`	`tux_mike`	`then go out, enjoy the nice spring weather!`
`02:08.28`	George`ZZzz	`9am - that means I'll be out for 6 hours :)`
`02:09.11`	`tux_mike`	`then watch some tv, see a movie`
`02:09.24`	George`ZZzz	`err.`
`02:09.26`	George`ZZzz	`no.`
`02:09.29`	George`ZZzz	`I'm out`
`02:10.01`	`ljp`	`yay!`
`02:10.01`	`tux_mike`	`damn`
`02:10.11`	`ljp`	`:)`
`02:10.25`	`tux_mike`	`gah. wanna go home`
`02:10.27`	`ljp`	`its fun to pick on georgie`
`02:10.34`	`tux_mike`	`yup`
`02:11.37`	George`ZZzz	`die bastards.`
`02:11.47`	`tux_mike`	`nah`
`02:11.51`	`ljp`	`go to bed`
`02:12.02`	George`ZZzz	`I couldn't sleep :P`
`02:12.06`	`ljp`	`so we can talk about you`
`02:12.13`	`ljp`	`try harder`
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`02:12.26`	`tux_mike`	`down a few things of nyquil`
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`02:12.35`	`tux_mike`	`then drink some booze`
`02:12.43`	`tux_mike`	`you'll sleep like a baby`
`02:12.46`	George`ZZzz	`bleh`
`02:12.50`	George`ZZzz	`I need to go get a drink`
`02:12.51`	George`ZZzz	`bleh`
`02:12.56`	`ljp`	`he cant, he's only 12`
`02:13.00`	George`ZZzz	`ljp: LIES`
`02:13.02`	George`ZZzz	`ljp: I'm 15`
`02:13.04`	George`ZZzz	`:P`
`02:13.05`	George`ZZzz	`afk`
`02:13.08`	`tux_mike`	`it's england, he can drink at 2`
`02:13.17`	`ljp`	`15? since when?`
`02:13.37`	`untorn`	`I can't seem to install anything through openzaurus' feeds aqpkg says run ipkg update but I have and it still cannot find my package`
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`02:14.06`	`ljp`	`untorn: kicks kergoth's ass`
`02:14.31`	`masticator`	`wait a sec`
`02:14.36`	`masticator`	`did you set an active server?`
`02:14.40`	`untorn`	`yes`
`02:14.46`	`masticator`	`can you validate you have network connectivity?`
`02:14.55`	`masticator`	`did you update the package list?`
`02:15.08`	`untorn`	`yes yes`
`02:15.51`	`untorn`	`i ping oz.org just fine`
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`02:16.50`	`tux_mike`	`blah, i need to work on tuxnami some more`
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`02:17.05`	`untorn`	`activeserver= http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed`
`02:17.25`	`gideon`	`my WCF12 Linksys card doesn't work in 3.2. Is this a known bug?`
`02:17.49`	kergoth`bbl	`untorn: read the mailing list archives.`
`02:17.54`	George`ZZzz	`mmm`
`02:17.56`	George`ZZzz	`Lemonade`
`02:18.00`	kergoth`bbl	`untorn: the part where i explain the exact source of this bug and how to deal with it.`
`02:18.36`	`untorn`	kergoth`bbl: have a date or subject title I can keep an eye out for
`02:18.41`	kergoth`bbl	`untorn: no.`
`02:18.55`	`untorn`	kergoth`bbl: thanks...
`02:19.02`	`gideon`	`anyone?`
`02:19.04`	`ljp`	`lemonade is for whimps`
`02:19.12`	George`ZZzz	`ljp: It makes me go hyperactive`
`02:19.14`	`tux_mike`	`lemonade sucks`
`02:19.18`	`ljp`	`lemonade is for girlie-men`
`02:19.27`	George`ZZzz	`ljp: and I'm 15 since 2 weeks ago :P`
`02:19.36`	`ljp`	`ahhhh, congrats`
`02:19.37`	George`ZZzz	`actually`
`02:19.39`	George`ZZzz	`3 weeks ago`
`02:20.00`	George`ZZzz	`ok`
`02:20.05`	George`ZZzz	`I really am out now`
`02:20.09`	`doughecka`	`15?`
`02:20.10`	`tux_mike`	`woo!`
`02:20.10`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`02:20.11`	George`ZZzz	`g'bye`
`02:20.11`	`doughecka`	`I am older!`
`02:20.13`	`doughecka`	`ahaha`
`02:20.14`	`chouimat\|cooking`	~lart George`ZZzz
`02:20.23`	George`ZZzz	`doughecka: you old relic`
`02:20.29`	`doughecka`	`16 here :P`
`02:20.31`	`chouimat\|cooking`	~lart George`ZZzz for fun
`02:20.37`	George`ZZzz	`right, you're an old relic.`
`02:20.42`	`doughecka`	`uh huh`
`02:21.07`	George`ZZzz	`doughecka: 16, and you bought a Z that basically said in the advertisement on ebay "THIS DOESN'T WORK!"`
`02:21.15`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`02:21.28`	`doughecka`	`short of case`
`02:21.31`	`doughecka`	`cach`
`02:21.31`	George`ZZzz	`doughecka: hrmm, that sort of intelligence I'd expect from a 6 year old`
`02:21.42`	George`ZZzz	`ljp: you said that last year.`
`02:21.50`	`chouimat\|cooking`	`ljp: but with how many years of experience?`
`02:21.53`	George`ZZzz	`:P`
`02:22.01`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`02:22.12`	`ljp`	`many years`
`02:22.15`	George`ZZzz	`OK, I'm off`
`02:22.18`	`doughecka`	`ohooh`
`02:22.22`	`doughecka`	`tah tah`
`02:22.24`	`ljp`	`you said that already`
`02:22.28`	`chouimat\|cooking`	`doughecka: look I'm 18 but with 11 years of experience`
`02:22.29`	`gideon`	`could someone help me fix my wireless? It's crazy mad broke.`
`02:22.47`	`doughecka`	`chouimat\|cooking: I have 16 years of experience`
`02:23.00`	`doughecka`	`of being a human that is :P`
`02:36.22`	`minipanda`	`and you're welcome :)`
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`02:42.19`	`ljp`	`TimRiker: hey how goes it in texas?`
`02:44.26`	`TimRiker`	`fine. busy.`
`02:44.55`	`TimRiker`	`moving pains. getting TI to handle non-windows systems is an uphill battle.`
`02:45.14`	`ljp`	`cant wait to hear what TI is doing with linux embedded`
`02:45.21`	`TimRiker`	`making progess though. they are making me use redhat instead of debian. but that's better than windows by a long shot.`
`02:45.30`	`ljp`	`true`
`02:45.38`	`TimRiker`	`did you get me a resume?`
`02:45.46`	`ljp`	`yes I did`
`02:45.54`	`ljp`	`I thought I had sent it`
`02:46.32`	`ljp`	`I have a job interview with warwick this week for something in Brisbane`
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`02:55.50`	George`ZZzz	`blah`
`02:56.18`	`ljp`	`I thought you left`
`02:56.22`	George`ZZzz	`I did`
`02:56.25`	George`ZZzz	`couldn't sleep`
`02:56.25`	George`ZZzz	`bleh`
`02:56.31`	`chouimat\|food`	`can someone ban him?`
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`02:57.15`	`ljp`	`your worried cause you aint in school like you should be`
`02:57.21`	George`ZZzz	`...`
`02:57.29`	`chouimat`	`ljp: maybe they ban him ....`
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`02:57.32`	`Freddie`	`re all`
`02:57.45`	`ljp`	`ha! ya, they found him on irc!`
`02:57.47`	George`ZZzz	`like I should be? pah`
`02:57.57`	`Freddie`	`ljp: who?`
`02:58.02`	`ljp`	`georgie`
`02:58.11`	George`ZZzz	`ljp: OK, right, you've got me confused`
`02:58.13`	`chouimat`	`ljp: no they were tired of his attitude :)`
`02:58.45`	`ljp`	George`ZZzz: you have people on ignore?
`02:58.56`	George`ZZzz	`ljp: uh, chouimat, mark, ibot, apt`
`02:59.03`	`ljp`	`hehehe`
`02:59.12`	George`ZZzz	`:P`
`02:59.17`	`_Psycho_`	`wonder if ignore, skip his lines`
`02:59.22`	`ljp`	`ibot: why?`
`02:59.26`		`ljp: no idea`
`02:59.26`	`_Psycho_`	`i wish someone would ban geroge`
`02:59.33`	`_Psycho_`	`whatever`
`02:59.43`	George`ZZzz	`_Psycho_: They wouldn't ban me :)`
`02:59.49`	George`ZZzz	`(I hope)`
`03:00.04`	`chouimat`	`so bad I'm not op in here :)`
`03:00.04`	`Freddie`	`are there any good zaurus news sites?`
`03:00.05`	George`ZZzz	`I'm just a hyperactive teenager!`
`03:00.09`	`Freddie`	`I haven't really found any`
`03:00.19`	George`ZZzz	`Freddie: don't think so`
`03:00.22`	`Freddie`	`dunno if perhaps there just isn't much in the way of zaurus news. . .`
`03:00.23`	`chouimat`	`_Psycho_: read that like this: a MORON`
`03:00.34`	`_Psycho_`	`worst*`
`03:00.48`	`ljp`	`hey, he can see you if I post what you say!`
`03:00.59`	`chouimat`	`ljp: post?`
`03:01.08`	`ljp`	`irc post`
`03:01.11`	`chouimat`	`ljp haha`
`03:01.14`	`treke`	George`ZZzz: you greatly underestimate us
`03:01.27`	George`ZZzz	`treke: obviously :)`
`03:01.28`	`ljp`	`I really miss Blind Melon`
`03:01.42`	`chouimat`	`ljp: never liked them`
`03:01.51`	`ljp`	`I do`
`03:02.03`	`ljp`	`besides their MTV hit`
`03:02.33`	`chouimat`	`ljp: when they first came out I was in more heavy stuff`
`03:03.33`	George`ZZzz	`It's back to bed I go....`
`03:03.38`	`Freddie`	`anyone here know how (if at all) OZ and stock ROM .desktop files differ in saying something can "fast load"?`
`03:03.54`	`ljp`	`I am going to have to study mediaplayer framebuffer stuffs`
`03:04.04`	George`ZZzz	`ljp: get stuffed :)`
`03:04.06`	George`ZZzz	`ok, cya all`
`03:04.22`	`treke`	`Freddie: opie uses a fastload entry in the qpe Settings file`
`03:04.23`	`ljp`	George`ZZzz: yousaid that already, again
`03:04.56`	`chouimat`	`ljp: he's only 15 so he can't have a good vocabulary yet ;)`
`03:14.33`	`warmi`	`ljp: is opieplayer using framebuffer these days ?`
`03:14.54`	`ljp`	`?`
`03:15.22`	`warmi`	`well, you said you will be studying "mediaplayer framebuffer stuffs"`
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`03:18.23`	`ljp`	`oh. heh.. I thought it did write to the framebuffer`
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`03:18.59`	`warmi`	`yeah ..void XineVideoWidget::paintEvent ( QPaintEvent * ) does`
`03:20.17`	`ljp`	`cause I need to do two things, 1. get helix to write frames to framebuffer, and 2. have plugin be the go between`
`03:21.17`	`Freddie`	`anyone here have a c700?`
`03:21.36`	`Freddie`	`actually, anyone here with a c700 that has also used an SL-5xxx?`
`03:21.38`	`ljp`	`not till you buy me one.. :)`
`03:21.48`	`warmi`	`ljp: uhm .. what is helix ?`
`03:22.17`	`_Psycho_`	`i have a c700 but its my first pda`
`03:22.28`	`Freddie`	`wow`
`03:22.33`	`Freddie`	`hell of a first pda`
`03:22.36`	`Freddie`	`congrats!`
`03:22.39`	`Freddie`	`how do you like it?`
`03:22.45`	`_Psycho_`	`LOTS :)`
`03:22.50`	`Freddie`	`:)`
`03:22.55`	`ljp`	`http://www.helixcommunity.org it's realnetowrks opensource stuff`
`03:22.56`	`_Psycho_`	`but would like opie to be better for it`
`03:23.05`	`_Psycho_`	`its getting better thought`
`03:23.10`	`ljp`	`I am porting it to linux arm and zaurus`
`03:23.18`	`ljp`	`trying anyways`
`03:23.21`	`Freddie`	`opie, not OZ?`
`03:23.31`	`warmi`	`ljp: ah you want to plug this into opiemediaplayer`
`03:23.32`	`_Psycho_`	`OZ work pretty fine`
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`03:23.42`	`cynTop`	`I've a c700 and it's my third pda, but didn't have a Z before`
`03:23.44`	`ljp`	`yes. so it works on opie and qtopia`
`03:23.49`	`arete`	`yay`
`03:23.49`	`_Psycho_`	`opie have a lots of stuff that it "not nice yet"`
`03:23.55`	`arete`	`I just installed altq on my firewall`
`03:23.57`	`_Psycho_`	`for the c700`
`03:23.58`	`Freddie`	`cyntop: How do you like it? And what previous pdas did you have?`
`03:24.02`	`ljp`	`but there's stuff I need to do inhelix first`
`03:24.03`	`arete`	`now I can share bittorrent files without getting all lagged`
`03:24.28`	`Freddie`	`psycho: Yeah. I have two ipaqs, and after using OZ on a Z, I don't consider opie as distributed on the ipaq to be worthwhile`
`03:24.40`	`cynTop`	`Freddie: had a palm IIIxe and a clie t415 - lovin it bigtime (more ram would be nice, coz I'd like to leave the basic pda functions on fastload and such)`
`03:24.48`	`warmi`	`ljp: I have noticed that opie video player (xine stuff) works off of memory .. meaning the frame is first decompressed into memory which then is transfered to framebuffer depending on rotation`
`03:24.57`	`Freddie`	`cyntop: How much ram does the c700 have?`
`03:25.01`	`cynTop`	`32`
`03:25.09`	`Freddie`	`yeah, more ram would be real nice then`
`03:25.09`	`cynTop`	`tho there are efforts in place to get 64 and 128`
`03:25.13`	`warmi`	`so I think you would end up writing to memory anyway .... unless you want to redesign it and write streight to framebuffer`
`03:25.18`	`Freddie`	`that screen has to use a bit more memory`
`03:25.19`	`cynTop`	`the 64 has been successful but it costs like $600 just for the parts`
`03:25.46`	`ljp`	`I'll probably use opieplayer1 interface`
`03:25.47`	`Freddie`	`yeah`
`03:25.50`	`cynTop`	`and they had to work their butts off to get the kernel to see it properly`
`03:25.57`	`Freddie`	`$1300 for a pda is WAY outta line`
`03:26.01`	`cynTop`	`heh yea`
`03:26.05`	`cynTop`	`well`
`03:26.09`	`cynTop`	`unless the company picks up the tab`
`03:26.11`	`cynTop`	`heh`
`03:26.15`	`Freddie`	`true`
`03:26.23`	`cynTop`	`good f'in luck with that`
`03:26.27`	`Freddie`	`yeah`
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`03:26.49`	`Freddie`	`I mean, less than $200 for a 64MB RAM Zaurus is just amazing to me`
`03:27.20`	`cynTop`	`yeah that's an awesome deal`
`03:28.56`	`Freddie`	`it is so good a deal I really wish I had gotten a spare`
`03:29.22`	`Freddie`	`the thing the Zaurus proved to me is that a dedicated keyboard is indescribable in its utility`
`03:29.29`	`Freddie`	`I go back to an iPAQ and I feel naked`
`03:30.14`	`Freddie`	`when I cracked the screen on my 5000d, I went first to my iPAQ 3850 with Opie`
`03:30.19`	`Freddie`	`I ended up back on the 5000d`
`03:30.29`	`Freddie`	`even without the touch screen keyboard it was better for me`
`03:30.30`	`Freddie`	`:)`
`03:31.06`	`warmi`	`Freddie: don't like Ipaqs ?`
`03:31.16`	`Freddie`	`I loved them when that was all I had`
`03:31.20`	`warmi`	`hah`
`03:31.22`	`Freddie`	`I truly saw no point in the Z`
`03:31.33`	`warmi`	`well, I have PPC on my ipaq`
`03:31.36`	`Freddie`	`I went to the store, and saw the Z was actually LONGER than a 3850 ipaq`
`03:31.40`	`warmi`	`so it is a different ballgame`
`03:31.41`	`Freddie`	`which had built in SD slot`
`03:31.55`	`cynTop`	`sony has a new thin clie with dedicated keyboard that I might've gone for if the c700 didn't exist`
`03:31.59`	`Freddie`	`but now I can't give up the dedicated keyboard`
`03:32.05`	`cynTop`	`none of those huge foldy useless dealies`
`03:32.13`	`cynTop`	`but, the c700 does exist :)`
`03:32.16`	`Freddie`	`yeah`
`03:32.25`	`warmi`	`Freddie: the thing is that 5500/5600 keyboard is not that good .. I mean it is way better than no keyboard :-)`
`03:32.26`	`Freddie`	`the thing about the palm though`
`03:32.43`	`Freddie`	`warmi: I really like the keyboard`
`03:32.46`	`Freddie`	`maybe it is just me`
`03:32.51`	`Freddie`	`but I miss it if I don't have it`
`03:33.01`	`Freddie`	`(like on ipaq)`
`03:33.09`	`Freddie`	`I need to switch my ipaq to ppc again`
`03:33.14`	`cynTop`	`I never got to try the non-c700 keyboard, not really - the device was always in a metal frame that made it impossible to use`
`03:33.22`	`Freddie`	`I would have done it already if I knew how to code for PPC`
`03:33.25`	`cynTop`	`kinda like the serial cable used to prevent you from sliding it open`
`03:33.52`	`ljp`	`hmmm.. my brain is thinking too much`
`03:33.58`	`Freddie`	`I heard M$ is going to release ppc source`
`03:34.01`	`Freddie`	`I was stunned`
`03:34.46`	`warmi`	`Freddie: the source has been "open" since .. like 2 years ago`
`03:34.56`	`warmi`	`they are changing the license to allow people to modify it :-)`
`03:35.00`	`Freddie`	`well`
`03:35.06`	`warmi`	`as opposed to just looking at it`
`03:35.06`	`Freddie`	`you couldn't MODIFY it until now`
`03:35.09`	`Freddie`	`right`
`03:35.36`	`Freddie`	`warmi: I am extremely comfortable coding in Qt for the Z`
`03:35.41`	`Freddie`	`but I haven't ever used MFC`
`03:35.50`	`Freddie`	`it sounds like you avoided MFC entirely`
`03:35.58`	`Freddie`	`so perhaps you can't tell me`
`03:36.04`	`Freddie`	`but how hard would the transition be?`
`03:36.21`	`warmi`	`ljp: btw .. if you are doing any sort of framebuffer access .. the cardinal rule is to avoid doing uchar reads ( as for example opie does ) and do dword (32 bit ) reads/writes - even when rotation`
`03:36.37`	`warmi`	`that will speed up your blit by about 70%`
`03:36.53`	`ljp`	`hmm, ok. I'll remember that`
`03:37.07`	`warmi`	`ljp: look up SDL rotating blit`
`03:37.37`	`warmi`	`it has a C version of rotating while reading by 32 bit words ... this can always be done as long as your frame width is even`
`03:37.49`	`warmi`	`Freddie: hehe`
`03:37.58`	`warmi`	`Freddie: MFC sucks :-)`
`03:38.15`	`warmi`	`MFC is still better than Win32 API but nowhere near quality of Qt`
`03:38.15`	`Freddie`	`heh`
`03:38.29`	`warmi`	`it is sort of like "half-done"`
`03:38.52`	`warmi`	`basically you can only go so far .. as soon as you are into more custom compilcated stuff you have to hit Win32 API`
`03:38.56`	`Freddie`	`wow`
`03:39.06`	`Freddie`	`OZ 3.2 network stuff is MUCH improved`
`03:39.10`	`Freddie`	`for network config`
`03:39.18`	`warmi`	`it is almost as if , in qt if you wanted to do something more complex you had to go directly to Xlib code`
`03:39.24`	`Freddie`	`warmi: wow`
`03:39.39`	`Freddie`	`warmi: So stick to what widgets they provide, and go no further it sounds like`
`03:40.02`	`warmi`	`well, if you are comfortable with Win32 API then there is no problem`
`03:40.18`	`Freddie`	`I'm not`
`03:40.25`	`Freddie`	`I haven't ever coded on windows`
`03:40.26`	`warmi`	`basically it is not as nice and full-featured as Qt is - often you are forced to go to Win32`
`03:40.28`	`Freddie`	`not in C anyway`
`03:40.54`	`warmi`	`well, Win32 GUI api is very similar to say ... Xlib ..`
`03:41.08`	`Freddie`	`I did Xlib a bit like 10,000 years ago`
`03:41.14`	`warmi`	`I mean Xlib doesn't support widgets but the basic primitives are the same`
`03:41.30`	`warmi`	`btw .. MFC doesn't use slot/signal method of doing notifications`
`03:41.40`	`Freddie`	`yeah, I knew that was unique to Qt`
`03:41.47`	`warmi`	`it has message maps which is kind of like what WxWindows or FOx lib does`
`03:41.58`	`Freddie`	`I don't know either of those`
`03:41.59`	`Freddie`	`:)`
`03:42.12`	`warmi`	`and Win32 API simply usses big ass message function where all the messages are routed to`
`03:42.29`	`warmi`	`both work but I much prefer signals/slots`
`03:42.42`	`Freddie`	`I like signals/slots now`
`03:42.45`	`Freddie`	`but I didn't at first`
`03:42.51`	`Freddie`	`debugging sucks`
`03:42.55`	`warmi`	`heh .. what could be simpler than that :-)`
`03:43.08`	`Freddie`	`you can compile horribly incorrect connect code`
`03:43.12`	`Freddie`	`without any error`
`03:43.23`	`warmi`	`Freddie: heeh`
`03:43.57`	`warmi`	`ljp: you will be trying to decode video streams directly into framebuffer memory or into intermidiary memory buffer ?`
`03:44.57`	`warmi`	`Freddie: so you are coding in qt these days ?`
`03:45.09`	`warmi`	`just for the Zaurus or for the desktop as well ?`
`03:45.24`	`Freddie`	`warmi: for both`
`03:45.40`	`warmi`	`btw ..... there is a version of qt for PocketPC .. it is just Trolls never released it`
`03:45.42`	`Freddie`	`but the "desktop" coding is just zaurus apps running on the desktop for debugging`
`03:45.56`	`Freddie`	`warmi: I know - and they don't intend to release it`
`03:46.07`	`ljp`	`warmi: hmm, I think helix uses a intermidiary buffer`
`03:46.18`	`warmi`	`and having 6 MB Trolls library being installed with your app - doesn't make much sense`
`03:46.35`	`Freddie`	`um - yeah`
`03:47.00`	`warmi`	`ljp: yeah .. much easier to do it that way ... you don't have to worry about rotation stuff while decoding .. on the other hand you pay with aditional blit to the screen for each frame`
`03:47.27`	`warmi`	`this is how I speed up gnubuy - started rendering directly into framebuffer memory as opposed to memory buffer`
`03:48.09`	`warmi`	`but I only implemented zaurus specific rotation and consequently gnuboy doesn't work on say .. ipaq running Qtopia`
`03:48.21`	`warmi`	`Freddie: what are you writing for the zaurus ?`
`03:50.56`	`ljp`	`warmi: a lot of my time with helix is spent trying to figure out what its doing`
`03:51.22`	`warmi`	`ljp: yeah ... I would imagine :-)`
`03:51.41`	`ljp`	`fortunately, it runs on linux/X and only need to do zaurus and arm specific stuff, like frame rendering`
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`03:53.19`	`Bala`	`ljp: does the audio side work ??`
`03:53.37`	`ljp`	`yes, audio is working..`
`03:53.54`	`ljp`	`but there's no plugin yet`
`03:54.35`	`ljp`	`I am not looking forward to doing the realvideo codecs for linuxarm, though. :)`
`03:55.19`	`ljp`	`shoudl be interesting`
`03:55.36`	`warmi`	`ljp: the codec code is in C right ?`
`03:56.33`	`ljp`	`.cpp`
`03:57.32`	`ljp`	`but already fixedpoint`
`03:57.43`	`Bala`	`hopefully not floating point heavy.. oh nevermind :)`
`03:57.49`	`ljp`	`:)`
`03:57.52`	`warmi`	`so the only "sticky' point is to display the results`
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`03:57.58`	`warmi`	`right ?`
`03:58.21`	`ljp`	`well, the rest of helix was recently added fixedpoint`
`03:58.34`	`ljp`	`warmi: ya, should be`
`03:58.38`	`NeoTron`	`ljp: but... they are already ported to ARM?`
`03:58.46`	`NeoTron`	`pocketpc to be exact`
`03:59.09`	`ljp`	`all we needed to do with audio for arm, is fix some float/fixed asm code`
`03:59.38`	`ljp`	`NeoTron: I do believe that the codecs are`
`03:59.56`	`ljp`	`at least those other arm pda os's`
`03:59.58`	`NeoTron`	`ljp: I know they are - I've used them myself. :)`
`04:00.05`	`NeoTron`	`on my pocketpc mind you`
`04:00.17`	`NeoTron`	`I heard rumors a year ago or so that someone had it running on Qtopia`
`04:00.22`	`NeoTron`	`internally that is`
`04:00.35`	`ljp`	`really.. hmmmm`
`04:01.52`	`ljp`	`they added gtk interface to simpleplayer`
`04:04.39`	`NeoTron`	`NingPo public beta (linux desktop): http://eongames.com/beta/ningpo-linux.sh <-- give it a whirl`
`04:07.04`	`warmi`	`what is ningpo ?`
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`04:22.32`	`NeoTron`	`Mahjong solitare`
`04:27.18`	`jumpkick`	`NeoTron: Mahjongg?`
`04:27.31`	`jumpkick`	`you have one that's not from TKC?`
`04:28.02`	`treke\|home`	`there one or two already that arent by tkc`
`04:28.14`	`NeoTron`	`jumpkick: Linux DESKTOP`
`04:28.16`	`NeoTron`	`not Zaurus`
`04:28.26`	`jumpkick`	`sigh`
`04:28.34`	`jumpkick`	`too bad`
`04:28.52`	`treke\|home`	`theres already nontkc mahjonggs for the zaurus. look on zsi`
`04:29.07`	`jumpkick`	`kk`
`04:33.33`	`jumpkick`	`wish there was a mail client that could do SMTP Auth`
`04:33.59`	`mewyn`	`for the Z?`
`04:34.03`	`treke\|home`	`tkcmail`
`04:34.39`	`jumpkick`	`was hoping qpe-mail, opie-mail2 or opie-mailit would do it`
`04:34.47`	`NeoTron`	`emacs +gnus? :)`
`04:35.01`	`treke\|home`	`jumpkick: nope`
`04:36.02`	`warmi`	`g'night`
`04:36.12`	`Freddie`	`actually`
`04:36.15`	`Freddie`	`I need to sleep too`
`04:36.16`	`Freddie`	`see y'all`
`04:39.10`	`mutexer`	`NeoTron: is NingPo the Mahjong by Hook's company?`
`04:40.56`	`NeoTron`	`yes`
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`05:18.39`	`dcarmich`	`djr>do you have an sl5500?`
`05:18.59`	`djr`	`yeah`
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`05:21.17`	`TimRiker`	`kergoth: you around? while staroffice is fine by me, most folks don't have it installed. got html or pdf?`
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`05:29.11`	`kendrick`	`so i'm convincing parallax to port their PBASIC tokenizer to ARM, so people can code for the BASIC Stamp on the Zaurus`
`05:29.28`	`kendrick`	`they wanna know how hard it'll be. (they've released a "tokenizer.so" shared library for i386 Linux so far)`
`05:29.50`	`kendrick`	`if they follow the instructions http://docs.zaurus.com/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml will they get all of the tools needed?`
`05:29.57`	`kendrick`	`(they'll need to run libtool, won't they?)`
`05:30.35`	`TimRiker`	`should work.`
`05:30.48`	`kendrick`	`i dont seem to have an "arm-linux-libtool"...`
`05:30.49`	`TimRiker`	`depends on the makes being cross platform aware.`
`05:31.12`	`TimRiker`	`if not, it would be easier to get a debian-arm platform up and compile there.`
`05:31.27`	`CodeYoddler`	`Kendrick!`
`05:31.27`	`kendrick`	`hrm?`
`05:31.52`	`TimRiker`	`take a zaurus and mount debian-arm off an nfs server, then chroot there.`
`05:32.02`	`kendrick`	`they don't have a zaurus`
`05:32.18`	`kendrick`	`they're not too far away, physically, though. so it could be reasonable for me to drop by their offices and donate some time :)`
`05:32.19`	`TimRiker`	`order one for $200`
`05:32.46`	`kendrick`	`hows about YOU donate the zaurus, and i'll get it working for them :^P`
`05:33.05`	`TimRiker`	`TI does not give away sharp hardware. ;-)`
`05:33.33`	`kendrick`	`where's neotron?`
`05:37.33`	`nichos`	`i had to flash my Z, and now i cant get mediaplayer to work, can it not be installed to sd? i get a ton of symlink errors`
`05:40.07`	`kendrick`	`i think i got it`
`05:43.25`	`Com[Plex]`	`meh`
`05:43.40`	`Com[Plex]`	`what do you mean, symlink errors?`
`05:44.55`	`dcarmich`	`any of you use qtopia desktop 1.6.1?`
`05:45.21`	`Com[Plex]`	`uh..`
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`05:46.21`	`dcarmich`	`having syncing trouble.`
`05:46.45`	`Com[Plex]`	`didnt know 161 was out yet.`
`05:46.52`	`Com[Plex]`	`I got 160. tho, I have bnver used it`
`05:47.05`	`Com[Plex]`	`if you got syncing trouble. you got your IPs wrong.`
`05:47.16`	`dcarmich`	`do an appointment for 1pm-2:40pm CDT in qtopia desktop...sync it up...it comes out as 7:00am-8:40am.`
`05:47.17`	`dcarmich`	`CDT.`
`05:47.38`	`Com[Plex]`	`wrong time zone on the zaurus?`
`05:47.43`	`dcarmich`	`no...TZ is the same on both systems.`
`05:47.48`	`Com[Plex]`	`odd.`
`05:47.54`	`Com[Plex]`	`cant help ya then. :(`
`05:48.16`	`carbon`	`i'm having problems getting the zaurus to see my compact flash card...`
`05:48.24`	`Com[Plex]`	`uh oh`
`05:48.25`	`carbon`	`it was working earlier, but i was forced to reset the zaurus while it was doing i/o on the card`
`05:48.33`	`Com[Plex]`	`okay`
`05:48.34`	`carbon`	`cardctl sees it, but reports it busy`
`05:48.43`	`carbon`	`dmesg says, when i try to have cardctl pick it up:`
`05:48.59`	`carbon`	`cs: socket c02ea800 timed out during reset`
`05:49.11`	`carbon`	`i have no idea if the card is bad, i've got no reader`
`05:49.19`	`Com[Plex]`	`okay. you will want to exit qtopia, get to a console, login as root, eject the card, reinsert the card, and fsck it`
`05:49.30`	`Com[Plex]`	`fsck.vfat /dev/hda1`
`05:49.32`	`carbon`	`i tried rebooting the whole machine`
`05:49.37`	`carbon`	`and it isn't a mounting issue`
`05:49.41`	`Com[Plex]`	`fsck.vfat /dev/hda1`
`05:49.42`	`carbon`	`cat cannot even see the device`
`05:49.56`	`dcarmich`	`here's a clue...when I click on the world icon in the Time zone field it says in qtopia`
`05:49.57`	`carbon`	`look, the filesystem isn't the problem, i'm positive`
`05:50.04`	`dcarmich`	`desktop ... 'couldn't load map simple_grid_400. exiting.'`
`05:50.05`	`dcarmich`	`what gives?`
`05:50.10`	`Com[Plex]`	`carbon fsck.vfat /dev/hda1Return-path: <styi@taylorinet.com>`
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`05:50.34`	`Com[Plex]`	`OMFG`
`05:50.36`	`Com[Plex]`	`IM ssooooooo sorry!`
`05:51.03`	`Com[Plex]`	`I hope I didnt flood out the entire channel :(`
`05:51.08`	`carbon`	`no, just one line`
`05:51.25`	`Com[Plex]`	`wtf man, on my screen I pasted 800 lines of code from an email`
`05:51.27`	`carbon`	`anyways, the zaurus cannot even connect the device /dev/hda or /dev/hda1 to anything reasonable`
`05:51.41`	`carbon`	`so i'm in position to try and reformat the filesystem (which i'll probably have to do anyways)`
`05:51.42`	`Com[Plex]`	`well..`
`05:51.58`	`Com[Plex]`	`you say its not the file system,. but you wont fsck it anyway?`
`05:51.58`	`carbon`	`the only thing i can think of is a hard reset....`
`05:52.07`	`carbon`	`Com[Plex], i'm saying i _can't_ fsck it`
`05:52.12`	`carbon`	`since i cannot access /dev/hda or /dev/hda1`
`05:52.24`	`Com[Plex]`	`hmm.`
`05:52.30`	`carbon`	`since the pcmcia system can't connect those devices`
`05:52.38`	`carbon`	`er, that device`
`05:52.40`	`Com[Plex]`	`better get a reader/writer`
`05:52.49`	`Com[Plex]`	`hard reset, format, whatever it takes`
`05:52.54`	`Com[Plex]`	`jsut dont flash!`
`05:52.55`	`Com[Plex]`	`lol`
`05:52.56`	`carbon`	`heh`
`05:53.02`	`carbon`	`hmm`
`05:53.06`	`carbon`	`where's hard reset on this thing anyways?`
`05:53.07`	`dcarmich`	`any idea?`
`05:53.13`	`Com[Plex]`	`dcarmich: heres a tip. use 1.6.0`
`05:53.14`	`Com[Plex]`	`lol`
`05:53.24`	`carbon`	`dcarmich, is that time difference by chance the difference between your timezone and greenwich?`
`05:53.30`	`Com[Plex]`	`yeah, carbon: its under the batttery cover, take it off, tis a little black button`
`05:53.36`	`carbon`	`i.e. the diff by which your appts are screwed up`
`05:53.40`	`carbon`	`Com[Plex], thnx`
`05:53.54`	`Com[Plex]`	`carbon: for (i=1;i>0) printf("RTFM");`
`05:53.56`	`Com[Plex]`	`:)`
`05:54.06`	`carbon`	`Com[Plex], i havent got the paper manual`
`05:54.10`	`Com[Plex]`	`chuckle`
`05:54.11`	`Com[Plex]`	`ahh`
`05:54.14`	`carbon`	`and google was no help`
`05:54.18`	`carbon`	`and that's badly formed C :-)`
`05:54.27`	`Com[Plex]`	`uh. hold on a sec`
`05:54.31`	`carbon`	`you didnt declare i`
`05:54.37`	`carbon`	`and you forgot a semicolon`
`05:55.01`	`Com[Plex]`	`http://www.myzaurus.com/downloads.asp`
`05:55.14`	`Com[Plex]`	`carbon, me != care`
`05:55.53`	`dcarmich`	`carbon>I have both of them set to local time.`
`05:56.18`	`carbon`	`dcarmich, yeah, but one of them might (mistakenly) think the other one is greenwich`
`05:56.28`	`carbon`	`i'm just trying to find out if that might be the case`
`05:56.48`	`nichos`	`im having trouble fdisking my SD card`
`05:56.58`	`nichos`	`i get 'bus error' when running fdisk on it`
`05:57.59`	`dcarmich`	`carbon>you just mean qtopia desktop 1.6.1 or qtopia toolkit 1.6.1?`
`05:58.53`	`Com[Plex]`	`nichos : eject it.`
`05:59.07`	`Com[Plex]`	`reinsert it, fsck it. then umount it and fdisk it again`
`05:59.19`	`nichos`	`Com[Plex] well, its fat right now`
`05:59.20`	`Com[Plex]`	`or just use mkfs.ext2`
`05:59.43`	`Com[Plex]`	`dont fdisk, just use mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1`
`06:00.53`	`nichos`	`mkfs.ext2: Device size reported to be zero.`
`06:01.24`	`nichos`	`then a bunch of other errors, reboot, etc`
`06:01.28`	`nichos`	`which ive done`
`06:01.36`	`Com[Plex]`	`shite`
`06:01.41`	`Com[Plex]`	`coudl be pooched`
`06:01.49`	`nichos`	`dead dead?`
`06:01.55`	`Com[Plex]`	`well. does it work at all?`
`06:01.58`	`Com[Plex]`	`take it back`
`06:02.02`	`nichos`	`i was trying to convert it from fat, to ext`
`06:02.18`	`dcarmich`	`carbon>you there?`
`06:02.19`	`Com[Plex]`	`take it back... you got a warrantee against stuff like this`
`06:02.34`	`nichos`	`what really weird is this:`
`06:02.57`	`nichos`	`when i try mmcda1, nothing appears to be there, when i do mmcda, seems to be there`
`06:03.07`	`carbon`	`nichos, ahhh`
`06:03.08`	`nichos`	`like i can do the mkfs on mmcda`
`06:03.15`	`carbon`	`wish you had said that earlier :-)`
`06:03.21`	`nichos`	`ohhhh`
`06:03.21`	`nichos`	`duh`
`06:03.26`	`carbon`	`try 'fdisk /dev/mmcda' instead of 'fdisk /dev/mmcda1'`
`06:03.30`	`nichos`	`hehe, well, fstab is wrong, thats why i cant mount`
`06:03.38`	`nichos`	`carbon fdisk still gives bus error`
`06:03.43`	`carbon`	`hm`
`06:03.50`	`carbon`	`but you can see /dev/mmcda?`
`06:03.53`	`nichos`	`cool, it did work though`
`06:03.55`	`nichos`	`and i can mount it`
`06:03.57`	`carbon`	`ah, ok`
`06:04.23`	`nichos`	`thanks guys;)`
`06:04.33`	`nichos`	`try to get mediaplayer to work, and fat hates symlinks;)`
`06:05.53`	`dcarmich`	`carbon>you there?`
`06:05.57`	`carbon`	`fat doesn't have symlinks at all :-)`
`06:06.00`	`carbon`	`dcarmich, yeah`
`06:06.35`	`dcarmich`	`tried qtopia-desktop 1.6.0...same problem.`
`06:06.45`	`dcarmich`	`event at 2:00pm-3:40pm CDT...comes out on the zaurus as 8am-9:40am.`
`06:06.59`	`nichos`	`oh hey-has anyone had the fortune, or stockticker to work w/the today?`
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`06:16.07`	`nichos`	`and how do you add an icon, if none was made?`
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`06:42.33`	`Com[Plex]`	`what ni the HELL?`
`06:42.52`	`Com[Plex]`	`my zaurus just staarted playing a video through its SPEAKER`
`06:43.00`	`Com[Plex]`	`through its BUZZER speaker..`
`06:43.42`	`Com[Plex]`	`I got the headphones plugged in, and it just started blaring the videos sound out through the BUZZER!`
`06:43.55`	`nichos`	`Com[Plex] http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website/faq/faq?id=179`
`06:44.48`	`Com[Plex]`	`haha`
`06:44.51`	`Com[Plex]`	`wow. thats fucked up`
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`06:59.53`	`Matthew_I`	`ok i filnally got my 21pre kernel`
`07:00.59`	`Matthew_I`	`now when I plug the z in, it says it won't accept the device num it is given`
`07:01.27`	`Sirius`	`whats the name of the script to make the "Package" file for a webdir of ipks?`
`07:02.54`	`Matthew_I`	`Sirius: since no one else wants to chat... how are you tonight`
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`07:04.03`	`Matthew_I`	`ok well...`
`07:04.50`	`carbon`	`Matthew_I, you mean, usbdnet says that?`
`07:05.05`	`carbon`	`did you set the proper dev# settings when you compiled the kernel?`
`07:05.09`	`Sirius`	`if you ask how I am this morning, then I'm just fine :)`
`07:05.14`	`Sirius`	`waiting for coffee to be ready`
`07:05.25`	`Matthew_I`	`carbon: hotplug`
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`07:05.51`	`Matthew_I`	`Sirius: I wish it was morning and i just go a good night's sleep, aussie?`
`07:06.03`	`Matthew_I`	`carbon: meaning?`
`07:06.07`	`Sirius`	`norwegian`
`07:06.09`	`Matthew_I`	`what dev#`
`07:06.13`	`Matthew_I`	`Sirius: ahh...`
`07:06.19`	`Sirius`	`as far away from aussies as you get :)`
`07:06.27`	`Sirius`	`geographically`
`07:07.08`	`Sirius`	`you are on west coast of US maybe?`
`07:07.25`	`Matthew_I`	`Sirius: east, central time zone`
`07:07.41`	`Sirius`	`oh, its late then.`
`07:07.59`	`Matthew_I`	`carbon: now what about proper dev# settings?`
`07:08.10`	`Matthew_I`	`Sirius: yeah`
`07:08.28`	`Matthew_I`	`and I still gotta finish my cal II home work`
`07:09.14`	`Sirius`	`something else; you havent tried that pocketop IR keyboard?`
`07:09.52`	`carbon`	`Matthew_I, there's settings you use when compiling in the usbdnet patch`
`07:10.03`	`carbon`	`they're set when configuring the kernel (make config or make menuconfig or make xconfig)`
`07:10.05`	`Matthew_I`	`sometimes it says device not accepting new device error -75`
`07:10.13`	`carbon`	`you need those to be the proper numbers or it won't accept the zaurus`
`07:10.13`	`Matthew_I`	`and sometimes it is -110`
`07:10.41`	`Matthew_I`	`and it is saying it is device 00:1d.0-1`
`07:10.42`	`Sirius`	`looks quite neat but i wont have a chance to try it first`
`07:10.49`	`Matthew_I`	`carbon: I am not using usbdnet`
`07:11.59`	`leffe`	`any of you using qtopia desktop for linux and syncing over wifi ?`
`07:12.56`	`Matthew_I`	`it's quiet.... too quiet...`
`07:13.38`	`carbon`	`Matthew_I, thats impossible`
`07:13.48`	`carbon`	`thats the only way for you to network your zaurus and your desktop together on linux`
`07:14.48`	`carbon`	`hotplug doesn't do the actual connection, it just tells the networking system (which uses usbdnet) to do it`
`07:15.50`	`Matthew_I`	`carbon: no, I am using usbnet from kernel 2.4.21-pre7`
`07:16.12`	`carbon`	`i'm not sure if that comes with it`
`07:16.26`	`carbon`	`er, wait`
`07:16.40`	`carbon`	`not dnet, just net?`
`07:16.45`	`Matthew_I`	`yeah`
`07:17.00`	`Matthew_I`	`that is what the openzaurs-users mailing list says to use`
`07:17.12`	`carbon`	`ah`
`07:17.15`	`carbon`	`ok`
`07:17.18`	`carbon`	`ah`
`07:17.26`	`carbon`	`google has enlightened me :-)`
`07:17.35`	`carbon`	`sorry, i was ranting and didn't understand the problem...`
`07:17.38`	`carbon`	`let's try again :-)`
`07:17.46`	`carbon`	`are you able to manually form the connection without hotplug?`
`07:18.24`	`Matthew_I`	`hmmm....`
`07:18.27`	`Matthew_I`	`haven't tried`
`07:18.38`	`carbon`	`well, first off, have you got the 'usb0' interface configured?`
`07:18.50`	`Matthew_I`	`sort of, it does not exist yet`
`07:19.04`	`Matthew_I`	`if I do ifup usb0 then it will come up if the driver is workign`
`07:19.41`	`carbon`	`ah, ok`
`07:25.03`	`Matthew_I`	`peace`
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`07:36.10`	`kendrick`	`hey, bigboss ever come 'round here any more? :)`
`07:36.53`	`kendrick`	`hrm`
`07:36.55`	`kendrick`	`too quiet`
`07:38.52`	`carbon`	`hmm`
`07:39.02`	`carbon`	`so, it appears my cf card has been fried`
`07:39.51`	`carbon`	`are dane-elec cards known for friability?`
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`09:55.49`	`Matthew_I`	`I finally got it working, now I have to figure out how to sync with evo`
`09:56.20`	`Matthew_I`	`cant' wait till kernel 2.4.21 comes out so others don't have to go through what I wen through`
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`10:03.04`	`sigmounte`	`got my zaurus !!! just come by dhl !!!!!!!`
`10:10.52`	`Matthew_I`	`congrads`
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`10:15.25`	`mark`	`sigmounte: cool, now go and buy knights`
`10:15.25`	`mark`	`:)`
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`10:18.02`	`sigmounte`	`knights ?? sorry for my english`
`10:18.53`	`mark`	`sigmounte: don't worry`
`10:22.29`	`sigmounte`	`lol`
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`11:28.02`	`George-`	`I'm back, mwahahahahahahaha`
`11:31.07`	`yeiazel`	`damn`
`11:31.10`	`yeiazel`	`he's back`
`11:31.44`	`George-`	`yes`
`11:31.45`	`George-`	`mwahahah`
`11:34.23`	`mark`	`feck`
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`11:44.58`	`George-`	`arghhhhhh`
`11:45.02`	`George-`	`NOOOO`
`11:46.00`	`phoen][x`	`hey`
`11:46.54`	`phoen][x`	`whats up George-?`
`11:47.07`	`George-`	`uhhh`
`11:47.10`	`George-`	`waiting for my tibook?`
`11:47.11`	`George-`	`:P`
`11:47.16`	`George-`	`it's coming back next week`
`11:47.17`	`George-`	`:(`
`11:47.18`	`phoen][x`	`hehehe`
`11:47.23`	`phoen][x`	`you hope so :)`
`11:47.37`	`George-`	`no`
`11:47.45`	`George-`	`if it doesn't, I'm gonna kill them :)`
`11:48.15`	`phoen][x`	`i bet my radeon9700pro will arrive sooner than your tibook`
`12:00.26`	`ljp`	`George-: I thought you went to sleep`
`12:01.04`	`phoen][x`	`george never sleeps`
`12:05.52`	`George-`	`ljp: uhh, that was 10 hours ago`
`12:05.58`	`ljp`	`so`
`12:06.07`	`George-`	`ljp: go to sleep!`
`12:06.15`	`phoen][x`	`sleeping is for sissies`
`12:06.18`	`ljp`	`dont you have school or something?`
`12:08.45`	`George-`	`no`
`12:09.25`	`ljp`	`they kicked you out?`
`12:09.35`	`ljp`	`you got suspended!`
`12:10.48`	`George-`	`...`
`12:10.52`	`George-`	`Holiday`
`12:11.15`	`ljp`	`hu huh.. 'War Holiday'?`
`12:13.08`	`George-`	`phoen][x: hahahah`
`12:13.20`	`ljp`	`ducks quack`
`12:13.23`	`George-`	`hrmm, does he mean "Quake"?`
`12:13.38`	`George-`	`ljp: no, Easter Holiday :P`
`12:13.50`	`ljp`	`oohh..... slacker!'`
`12:14.19`	`phoen][x`	`the best part is "ALL FOR ME TO WANT TO THIS IS!! IF NO TO GET ME SISTER MAKE TO BAD TIME!! SHE TIE TO ME TO UP, AND HAVE TO BAD WAY FOR ME!!"`
`12:14.36`	`phoen][x`	`i love that guy :)`
`12:15.44`	`George-`	`?`
`12:16.41`	`phoen][x`	`HE MAKE MANY TO TROUBLE TO ME UNTIL TO I MAKE QUACK TO WORK TO!!!`
`12:16.51`	`ljp`	`??`
`12:16.58`	`phoen][x`	`:)`
`12:17.12`	`phoen][x`	`George-: show him the url so he'll understand :)`
`12:17.18`	`George-`	`rofl`
`12:17.19`	`yeiazel`	`??`
`12:17.40`	`George-`	`I SNEAK PAST TO BUN!!!!`
`12:17.41`	`George-`	`x 100`
`12:18.05`	`phoen][x`	`yeah`
`12:18.24`	`George-`	`jcurious: ./topic MUST QUACK OR SISTER WILL TIE ME UP`
`12:18.29`	`George-`	`rofl`
`12:18.37`	`phoen][x`	`heheheh`
`12:18.50`	`phoen][x`	`for all who dont know what we are babbling about: http://rikkus.info/bfinn.html`
`12:22.19`	`George-`	`phoen][x: stop babbling on about bfinn`
`12:22.52`	`phoen][x`	`George-: I SNEAK PAST TO BUN!!!!`
`12:23.39`	`George-`	`stop it`
`12:23.40`	`George-`	`:P`
`12:23.50`	`George-`	`lol`
`12:23.56`	`George-`	`afk`
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`13:15.40`	`doughecka`	`hi ho`
`13:33.57`	`George-`	`doughecka: hi retard :P`
`13:35.59`	`mark`	`George-: don't call people retards, its far from PC`
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`14:08.18`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`14:08.26`	`doughecka`	`my window dint flash`
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`14:25.46`	`Zxcvb`	`does anyone know if the SDL packages in openzaurus were compiled with X11 support?`
`14:26.12`	`Twiun`	`Zxcvb: NeoTron should know`
`14:26.45`	`Zxcvb`	`any idea when he will be back?`
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`14:29.31`	`Twiun`	`ibot: seen NeoTron`
`14:29.32`		`neotron is currently on #zaurus (7h 33m 22s) #openembedded (7h 33m 22s)`
`14:29.38`	`Twiun`	`ibot: seen Neo\|Work`
`14:29.38`		`neo\|work is currently on #zaurus #openembedded. Has said a total of 29 messages. Is idling for 16h 37m 28s`
`14:29.55`	`Twiun`	`Zxcvb: later, I'd say`
`14:31.04`	`Zxcvb`	`I wonder if qemu could be ported to the zaurus`
`14:31.42`	`doughecka`	`gemu?`
`14:31.56`	`Zxcvb`	`qemu`
`14:32.12`	`doughecka`	`gemu.`
`14:32.22`	`Zxcvb`	`runs x86 linux software on non-x86 platforms`
`14:32.27`	`Zxcvb`	`doughecka: that is Qemu`
`14:32.32`	`Zxcvb`	`doughecka: Q, as in quick`
`14:33.04`	`Zxcvb`	`doughecka: like em86, only opensource and portable`
`14:33.05`	`doughecka`	`oh cool`
`14:33.09`	`CuCullin`	`ugh intellisync sucks.`
`14:33.22`	`Zxcvb`	`doughecka: it is a userspace only (ring 3) x86 JIT emulator`
`14:33.29`	`Zxcvb`	`doughecka: you can not use it to run an OS`
`14:33.41`	`doughecka`	`oh.`
`14:33.42`	`Zxcvb`	`doughecka: similar to the wabi 2.2 CPU emulation`
`14:33.47`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`14:34.00`	`Zxcvb`	`doughecka: it will let you run wine on the zaurus, once qemu is ported`
`14:34.09`	`Zxcvb`	`doughecka: slowly, though`
`14:34.17`	`Zxcvb`	`doughecka: remember FX!32?`
`14:34.20`	`doughecka`	`nope`
`14:35.17`	`Zxcvb`	`doughecka: with qemu, the zaurus will be able to run wine, wordperfect 8, wabi 2.2, and other x86 only software`
`14:35.25`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: I doubt they were`
`14:35.31`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: I think they're framebuffer only`
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`14:36.10`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: will ther be SDL packages with both opie and X11 support?`
`14:36.29`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: I don't think so`
`14:36.32`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: hopefully with the tiny-x and matchbox packages that are going to be added?`
`14:36.34`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: there's no demand for X11 on the Z`
`14:36.46`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: prpplague iirc, is the guy that did X11 in OZ`
`14:37.06`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: there is plenty of use for X11 on the Z`
`14:37.23`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: snes9x, vice (x64), etc`
`14:37.29`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: there may be use but no demand :)`
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`14:37.51`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: any chance of snes9x or vice being made to work with opie?`
`14:38.19`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: Qtopia-X?`
`14:38.25`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: it's a bit hacky though`
`14:38.40`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: and doesn't support SDL at all`
`14:39.05`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: I have no idea, I haven't delved into X11 on the Z for a long time`
`14:39.08`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: not sure if that can be statically linked in, though`
`14:40.14`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: is konqueror still being worked on?`
`14:40.22`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: not sure`
`14:40.32`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: it's definitely being worked on for KDE, dunno about Qt/E`
`14:40.36`	`Zxcvb`	`what browser do you use?`
`14:41.15`	`mark`	`Zxcvb: no, its not getting any work atm I don't think`
`14:43.04`	`George-`	`I don't`
`14:43.16`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: Simon Hausman is the Konq/E developer`
`14:43.21`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: IRC nickname is tronical`
`14:43.48`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: he's on #KDE-Devel if you want to see him`
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`14:53.47`	`pHluid`	`damnit`
`14:54.00`	`pHluid`	`Missed a Sun contest to win a C700`
`14:54.02`	`pHluid`	`;[`
`14:54.33`	`omooreonzaurus`	`heh`
`14:54.56`	`omooreonzaurus`	`i've heard the c700 isn't a good at the 5600 in anything other than appearance and "cool" factor`
`14:55.14`	`omooreonzaurus`	`and batt life sucks`
`14:55.27`	`omooreonzaurus`	`reason there isn't one in the usa yet`
`14:55.50`	`omooreonzaurus`	`well not one from sharp.. only aftermarket stuff (if even that)`
`14:56.25`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: 1: battery life doesn't suck, 2: it has a screen resolution 4 times bigger than the 5600, 3: it has a better keyboard...`
`14:56.32`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: ask kergoth, he has one :)`
`14:56.54`	`omooreonzaurus`	`yeah.. but the physical screen is the same`
`14:57.14`	`omooreonzaurus`	`only resolution is higher.. and it's not a relfective screen`
`14:57.50`	`omooreonzaurus`	`i'll wait till there is a usa version, it's going to be much better`
`14:57.54`	`cynTop`	`I'll agree that reading in bright sunlight was utterly impossible`
`14:57.56`	`omooreonzaurus`	`longer battery life for one`
`14:58.10`	`cynTop`	`but I realized I should just be enjoying the sunlight :P`
`14:58.10`	`omooreonzaurus`	`reflective screen for another`
`14:58.19`	`omooreonzaurus`	`heh`
`14:58.21`	`cynTop`	`reading when it's sunny out was fine tho`
`14:58.30`	`cynTop`	`just bright sun, like noonish-2pm was killer`
`14:58.37`	`omooreonzaurus`	`bat life on the c700 is no better than the 5500.. which is ok unless like me you use nic constantly`
`14:58.51`	`cynTop`	`battery life is fine for me`
`14:58.55`	`omooreonzaurus`	`the 5600 tho.. rocks`
`14:58.58`	`cynTop`	`if you're using a nic you should be plugged in`
`14:59.06`	`cynTop`	`if you're using a wireless card, you get over 2 hours easy`
`14:59.20`	`omooreonzaurus`	`yeah .. wireless nic.. but i plug in to power.. wtf`
`14:59.22`	`cynTop`	`you can file down the 5600 battery and use it`
`14:59.24`	`George-`	`the resolution is much better. I'd rather have a 640x480 res`
`14:59.27`	`omooreonzaurus`	`oooo 2 hrs`
`14:59.32`	`cynTop`	`to each his own`
`14:59.38`	`omooreonzaurus`	`i get 5.5 with the 5600 :)`
`14:59.40`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: 2 hours on wifi is good`
`14:59.54`	`cynTop`	`laptops only just recently started passing the 2 hour mark, they used to be shit and the batteries wouldn't last more than 30 mins after a year`
`14:59.55`	`omooreonzaurus`	`not compared to the 5600 :-D`
`15:00.02`	`cynTop`	`to each his own`
`15:00.06`	`cynTop`	`320x240 is crap imo`
`15:00.08`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: on a 5500 you can barely get over 45mins with wifi actively draining power`
`15:00.08`	`omooreonzaurus`	`i gues i'm too demanding :(`
`15:00.17`	`George-`	`cynTop: do you get the feeling this guy is a troll? :P`
`15:00.22`	`cynTop`	`4x the resolution for 1/2 the battery life is fine by me`
`15:00.25`	`omooreonzaurus`	`George .. my point exactly :)`
`15:00.33`	`cynTop`	`George-: I get the feeling he's trying to validate his bad purchase, yea :)`
`15:00.34`	`omooreonzaurus`	`heh`
`15:00.43`	`George-`	`cynTop: hehe`
`15:00.56`	`omooreonzaurus`	`agreed tho.. the 5500 rocks`
`15:01.01`	`omooreonzaurus`	`i loved my 5500..`
`15:01.08`	`George-`	`cynTop: I'm still waiting for a SA1110 based PDA in a Psion 5 formfactor`
`15:01.12`	`omooreonzaurus`	`just wanted longer batt life and a built in mic...`
`15:01.19`	`George-`	`I only have a couple of 5000Ds`
`15:01.24`	`omooreonzaurus`	`now i'm in pda heaven`
`15:01.35`	`George-`	`and a series 5, and a series 5mx`
`15:01.35`	`George-`	`:P`
`15:01.41`	`George-`	`I've lost my 5 damnit!`
`15:01.58`	`omooreonzaurus`	`heh`
`15:02.15`	`George-`	`aha`
`15:02.16`	`George-`	`found it`
`15:02.36`	`omooreonzaurus`	`well... you need to replace it with a 5600... now if i could just be patient and sit still while OZ is being built for the 5600`
`15:02.41`	`cynTop`	`so the 5600 battery doesn't fit in the 5500`
`15:02.42`	`omooreonzaurus`	`:)`
`15:02.47`	`kergoth`	`yo`
`15:02.49`	`omooreonzaurus`	`no freaking way`
`15:02.58`	`doughecka`	`hey kergoth`
`15:02.59`	`cynTop`	`was the 5500 an internal battery or somethin`
`15:03.09`	`cynTop`	`coz the 5600 batt looked like it stuck out a bit`
`15:03.09`	`George-`	`cynTop: uh?`
`15:03.11`	`omooreonzaurus`	`here.. i got pics of the batt for someone who wanted them`
`15:03.15`	`omooreonzaurus`	`let me get the url`
`15:03.19`	`cynTop`	`thx`
`15:03.19`	`George-`	`cynTop: the 5500's battery was removable`
`15:03.26`	`cynTop`	`George-: right but was it completely internal`
`15:03.31`	`George-`	`yah`
`15:03.33`	`George-`	`it was thinner`
`15:03.34`	`cynTop`	`yeah`
`15:03.37`	`George-`	`the 5600's battery is bulkly`
`15:03.40`	`cynTop`	`so that'd be why the 5600 wouldn't fit it`
`15:03.40`	`cynTop`	`yea`
`15:03.48`	`cynTop`	`5600 battery is externalish aint it`
`15:03.57`	`George-`	`it bulges out :P`
`15:04.03`	`cynTop`	`like, when normally setup, you can point at the battery or touch it directly`
`15:04.29`	`Wintre`	`Or criminals`
`15:04.30`	`Wintre`	`Acl`
`15:04.31`	`cynTop`	`so you might be able to mod a battery for 5500 just like you can mod the battery for the c700`
`15:04.58`	`cynTop`	`which would get you the 64mb ram, better battery life, and just be lacking speaker (and a little processing - 5600 has the xscale right?)`
`15:05.04`	`omooreonzaurus`	`here are the batts side by side whoever was asking...`
`15:05.11`	`omooreonzaurus`	`http://www.okmoore.com/zaurus_battery`
`15:05.40`	`omooreonzaurus`	`watchout for 006.. forgot to scale it`
`15:06.13`	`cynTop`	`saight`
`15:06.29`	`cynTop`	`so yet i bet you can mod 5500, tho I dunno how convenient it would be`
`15:06.29`	`sigmounte`	`hi , i've insmod usbnet on my laptop , and when i put the Z on is craddle , i got this :`
`15:06.30`	`sigmounte`	`Apr 16 17:12:32 beringer kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:01.2-2, assigned address 22`
`15:06.31`	`sigmounte`	`Apr 16 17:12:32 beringer kernel: usb.c: USB device 22 (vend/prod 0x4dd/0x8004) is not claimed by any active driver.`
`15:06.57`	`kergoth`	`you need to patch it. stock usbnet doenst support the Z until 2.4.21-pre.`
`15:07.00`	`cynTop`	`sigmounte: what kernel, are you using the kernels usbnet or did you patch`
`15:07.04`	`kergoth`	`hey cynTop`
`15:07.28`	`sigmounte`	`beringer:/mnt# cat /proc/version`
`15:07.28`	`sigmounte`	`Linux version 2.4.20 (root@beringer) (gcc version 3.2.3 20030316 (Debian prerelease)) #1 Fri Mar 28 17:52:55 CET 2003`
`15:07.39`	`kergoth`	`yes, then you need to patch it.`
`15:08.00`	`cynTop`	`mornin k`
`15:08.03`	`sigmounte`	`where is the patch , their is no mention about it , in the howto at openzaurus.org`
`15:08.09`	`cynTop`	`mornin kergoth too`
`15:08.44`	`omooreonzaurus`	`so with the Z being linux and all.. you think there will be a adapter calbe you could plugin the bottom to use normal usb devices in the not too distant future?`
`15:08.52`	`Wintre`	`Nope`
`15:08.57`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`15:09.04`	`George-`	`I want a Z like this: http://homepage.freeuk.com/eric.wright/pict0281.jpg`
`15:09.04`	`treke`	`omooreonzaurus: you'd need a cf card`
`15:09.04`	`George-`	`;)`
`15:09.08`	`doughecka`	`anyone know how to rig up a JTAG cable to the Z?`
`15:09.10`	`Wintre`	`IIRC the USB on the Z isn't the right kind for that`
`15:09.12`	`treke`	`omooreonzaurus: the zaurus can only bee a usb client`
`15:09.16`	`omooreonzaurus`	`i see`
`15:09.26`	`Wintre`	`It needs to be a root hub or something (my USB terminology is crap)`
`15:09.51`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: basically, the SA1110 or the PXA250 don't support usb host`
`15:10.01`	`omooreonzaurus`	`oh well`
`15:10.14`	`*** join/#zaurus wyvern (~supergibs@dcn243-123.dcn.davis.ca.us)`
`15:10.15`	`George-`	`doughecka: kergoth does, but he's under NDA iirc ;)`
`15:10.30`	`omooreonzaurus`	`but there is the potential for a cf card to be a usb root hub?`
`15:10.35`	`omooreonzaurus`	`(just curious)`
`15:10.36`	`cynTop`	`http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/cfu1u.html`
`15:10.38`	`*** join/#zaurus Matthew_I (~matthew@64-89-121-30.arpa.kmcmail.net)`
`15:10.40`	`doughecka`	`well`
`15:10.42`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: yes`
`15:10.43`	`doughecka`	`tell me how then :P`
`15:10.49`	`George-`	`doughecka: ?`
`15:10.54`	`cynTop`	`that's your best bet for using usb devices`
`15:11.02`	`omooreonzaurus`	`George: is it just potential or is there a proudct`
`15:11.13`	`Matthew_I`	`wonderful I have an ogg player now`
`15:11.13`	`doughecka`	`kergoth: how do I hook up a JTAG cable to the Z?`
`15:11.15`	`Com[Plex]`	`does the 5600 have a battery cover at al? os is the battery jsut removeable?`
`15:11.18`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: well`
`15:11.20`	`Matthew_I`	`or should I say ogz :)`
`15:11.21`	`omooreonzaurus`	`yes`
`15:11.27`	`omooreonzaurus`	`batt is removable`
`15:11.31`	`omooreonzaurus`	`same as 5500`
`15:11.32`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: if you get a CF -> PCMCIA converter, you can use a PCMCIA one :P`
`15:11.32`	`omooreonzaurus`	`no diff`
`15:11.38`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: but drivers might not exist`
`15:11.49`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: CF is basically PCMCIA in a different formfactor`
`15:11.49`	`omooreonzaurus`	`George: yeah`
`15:11.59`	`Com[Plex]`	`uh. I meant.. does it have a cover as well?`
`15:12.14`	`Matthew_I`	`any one know when kernel 2.4.21 is coming out?`
`15:12.20`	`omooreonzaurus`	`Com[Plex] the 5600 is exactly like the 5500.. only a bit thicker`
`15:12.34`	`omooreonzaurus`	`exctly.. flip the switch slide the cover.. remove the batt`
`15:12.38`	`omooreonzaurus`	`reset same place`
`15:12.44`	`omooreonzaurus`	`exactly the same`
`15:12.57`	`omooreonzaurus`	`did i mention it is exactly the same`
`15:12.58`	`cynTop`	`I just pasted a link to a cf card that's a usb host :P`
`15:13.01`	`cynTop`	`omooreonzaurus:`
`15:13.08`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: is the battery the same? (voltage, current etc)`
`15:13.09`	`doughecka`	`omooreonzaurus: is it the same?`
`15:13.20`	`omooreonzaurus`	`yes..`
`15:13.27`	`omooreonzaurus`	`you can even charge a 5500 in the 5600's cradle`
`15:13.35`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: sharp hasnt released the jtag info to the public, and I'm under NDA.`
`15:13.45`	`*** part/#zaurus Moliere (~laurent@63.122.83.178)`
`15:13.46`	`doughecka`	`kergoth: oh bah :(`
`15:13.50`	`George-`	`kergoth: I already told him that :P`
`15:13.55`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`15:13.59`	`George-`	`<George-> doughecka: kergoth does, but he's under NDA iirc ;)`
`15:14.02`	`cynTop`	`what's jtag`
`15:14.03`	`doughecka`	`can you tell me anyway?`
`15:14.05`	`cynTop`	`hahaha`
`15:14.08`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`15:14.09`	`cynTop`	`'well since you asked'`
`15:14.10`	`doughecka`	`cynTop: how you unbrick a Z`
`15:14.11`	`George-`	`doughecka: no :P`
`15:14.15`	`cynTop`	`doughecka: loving care`
`15:14.17`	`kergoth`	`joint test action group`
`15:14.19`	`kergoth`	`ibot: jtag`
`15:14.19`		`hmm... jtag is http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/jtag or http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/ or order $20 usd dongles from http://www.aleph1.co.uk/armlinux/LART/`
`15:14.21`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: you'`
`15:14.26`	`cynTop`	`tender loving care`
`15:14.27`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: 're certain its bricked?`
`15:14.31`	`George-`	`kergoth: surely it isn't that difficult to reverse engineer how to do it?`
`15:14.36`	`doughecka`	`kergoth: well, I cant get it to flash`
`15:14.37`	`Matthew_I`	`with kernel 2.4.21-pre7 the link to my z gets dropped sometimes, but it brings it self back up`
`15:14.44`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: whats the behavior?`
`15:14.45`	`doughecka`	`but it boots the the logo and cursor`
`15:14.54`	`doughecka`	`thats it`
`15:14.56`	`George-`	`doughecka: send it to kergoth. He'll fix it with his fist :)`
`15:15.00`	`kergoth`	`jesus.`
`15:15.02`	`cynTop`	`hey`
`15:15.04`	`kergoth`	`what do the lights do?`
`15:15.07`	`George-`	`doughecka: he needs a stress toy at work these days :)`
`15:15.08`	`kergoth`	`i'm not a fucking psychic`
`15:15.11`	`doughecka`	`kergoth: charge light turns on`
`15:15.13`	`cynTop`	`they could make a pda case with a builtin battery for more battery life`
`15:15.16`	`George-`	`kergoth: damn, I thought you were :)`
`15:15.18`	`doughecka`	`but when I flash the lights go out`
`15:15.21`	`cynTop`	`and have it connect to the sync port`
`15:15.21`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: charge light behavior is irrelevent`
`15:15.27`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: what does the mail light do?`
`15:15.29`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: does it turn on?`
`15:15.32`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: how long does it stay on?`
`15:15.33`	`doughecka`	`nope`
`15:15.34`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: does it flash?`
`15:15.36`	`doughecka`	`never seen it come on`
`15:15.37`	`doughecka`	`nope`
`15:15.43`	`kergoth`	`what logo do you see?`
`15:15.46`	`kergoth`	`what are you flashign?`
`15:15.50`	`doughecka`	`sharp`
`15:15.57`	`doughecka`	`tried all kinds of OZ and sharp roms`
`15:16.05`	`Matthew_I`	`doughecka: did you rename them to zImage?`
`15:16.11`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`15:16.20`	`doughecka`	`made sure there wasnt a extenstion`
`15:16.32`	`kergoth`	`could very well be a problem with the card`
`15:16.36`	`kergoth`	`how many CF cards have you tried?`
`15:16.39`	`cynTop`	`if he can still get it into "flashing mode" it shouldn't be bricked, right?`
`15:16.44`	`doughecka`	`kergoth: one`
`15:16.48`	`doughecka`	`:(`
`15:16.49`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: bingo.`
`15:16.53`	`kergoth`	`your Z isnt fucking bricked`
`15:16.54`	`kergoth`	`it TURNS ON`
`15:16.57`	`George-`	`rofl`
`15:16.59`	`doughecka`	`well`
`15:17.00`	`cynTop`	`has said card ever successfully flashed`
`15:17.08`	`doughecka`	`I ahve bbeen trying to get that out of people for a week now`
`15:17.09`	`kergoth`	`brick means dead. fucking dead and unrecoverable without jtag`
`15:17.15`	`doughecka`	`cynTop: nope`
`15:17.20`	`George-`	`<kergoth> brick means dead. fucking dead and unrecoverable without jtag`
`15:17.21`	`doughecka`	`kergoth: ah, ok`
`15:17.21`	`George-`	`:)`
`15:17.43`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: i have the means for you to try flashing from within linux, using a modified verison of sharp's updaterom`
`15:17.54`	`George-`	`kergoth: that will brick it :)`
`15:17.58`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: its risky, as it flashes ospack, not zimage + initrd.bin`
`15:17.59`	`cynTop`	`doughecka: well, if it wasn't said here directly to you - it's every third message on the mailing list - and I've heard it said here a couple times this week :)`
`15:18.01`	`doughecka`	`kergoth: hmm, and it doesnt need a OS on it?`
`15:18.04`	`omooreonzaurus`	`wow.. in a mood :) feeling a bit stressed out there?`
`15:18.07`	`Matthew_I`	`opie has no mute, you have to mute it yourself`
`15:18.14`	`kergoth`	`doughecka: yes, you'd need to get booted. you're hung at the sharp logo? dont get any farhter?`
`15:18.22`	`doughecka`	`kergoth: yup`
`15:18.33`	`doughecka`	`goes to that and stays there`
`15:18.33`	`kergoth`	`yeah, i'd say find someone who has a cf card and borrow theirs`
`15:18.39`	`doughecka`	`ok doke`
`15:18.42`	`kergoth`	`have you reformatted the card?`
`15:18.42`	`cynTop`	`buy a cf card flash and return it sayin it didn't work :P`
`15:18.45`	`kergoth`	`repartitioned?`
`15:18.47`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`15:18.53`	`cynTop`	`..`
`15:18.56`	`George-`	`doughecka: as FAT16?`
`15:18.56`	`cynTop`	`is it ext2`
`15:19.01`	`doughecka`	`FAT12`
`15:19.02`	`cynTop`	`shouldn't be :)`
`15:19.06`	`George-`	`FAT12?!?!?`
`15:19.07`	`kergoth`	`try fat16.`
`15:19.10`	`doughecka`	`cant`
`15:19.11`	`cynTop`	`its a 32mb card`
`15:19.13`	`kergoth`	`fat12 _should_ work`
`15:19.13`	`doughecka`	`XP wont allow me`
`15:19.17`	`cynTop`	`doughecka: use a real app to format`
`15:19.20`	`kergoth`	`yes, you can`
`15:19.22`	`cynTop`	`use a win98 boot disk`
`15:19.27`	`doughecka`	`hmmmm`
`15:19.29`	`doughecka`	`ok`
`15:19.29`	`kergoth`	`or linux in vmware`
`15:19.30`	`cynTop`	`wait htf will it see the card`
`15:19.35`	`kergoth`	`or a linux fucking bootable cd`
`15:19.36`	`George-`	`or download trinux or something :P`
`15:19.37`	`cynTop`	`don't use a win98 boot disk heh`
`15:19.38`	`doughecka`	`kergoth: ooh, I dint think of that`
`15:19.39`	`kergoth`	`grab a redhat or debian cd`
`15:19.44`	`cynTop`	`knoppix`
`15:19.44`	`doughecka`	`I have knoppix`
`15:19.45`	`kergoth`	`or knoppix`
`15:19.46`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`15:19.48`	`doughecka`	`on my drive`
`15:19.49`	`cynTop`	`bingh0`
`15:19.53`	`*** join/#zaurus warmi (~a3c01504@dsl092-131-081.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net)`
`15:19.53`	`doughecka`	`but it has usb problems`
`15:20.05`	`cynTop`	`heh`
`15:20.11`	`doughecka`	`kergoth: I will try to bug my friends for a Cf card`
`15:20.16`	`kergoth`	`k`
`15:20.19`	`doughecka`	`or get another one and sell this one`
`15:20.32`	`doughecka`	`ok doke, thx alot :)`
`15:20.40`	`kergoth`	`np`
`15:20.47`	`warmi`	`hello`
`15:20.47`	`George-`	`doughecka: send me the zaurus :)`
`15:21.09`	`Matthew_I`	`I can sync now, but I ip masq is not working`
`15:23.37`	`doughecka`	`ok`
`15:23.57`	`doughecka`	`George-: I dont want to trust the royal mail service to send my Z over there for you to smash it`
`15:24.11`	`*** join/#zaurus ph (~paul@p5089EF85.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`15:24.37`	`doughecka`	`sandisk is OK?`
`15:25.46`	`doughecka`	`cuz I dont want to buy another CF card and have it not work either`
`15:26.20`	`George-`	`doughecka: Royal Mail is better than USPS :P`
`15:26.39`	`doughecka`	`yea, sure it is`
`15:27.03`	`doughecka`	`my mail man actully drives up my 1/4 mile driveway to bring big boxes up here`
`15:27.42`	`*** join/#zaurus chinande (~chinande@osteon.bsd.uchicago.edu)`
`15:27.56`	`doughecka`	`at least once a week`
`15:28.09`	`George-`	`and? your point is?`
`15:28.16`	`doughecka`	`where can I get a stylus and a screen protector from?`
`15:28.27`	`George-`	`At least the Royal Mail hasn't got your ugly country's name tied in with it :P`
`15:28.42`	`doughecka`	`UGLY?!?!`
`15:28.48`	`George-`	`YES`
`15:29.02`	`CuCullin`	`UK?`
`15:29.02`	`George-`	`:�`
`15:29.12`	`doughecka`	`I bloody think so`
`15:29.19`	`doughecka`	`dont think so`
`15:29.21`	`doughecka`	`whatever`
`15:29.22`	`CuCullin`	`Then I agree with George. :)`
`15:29.35`	`doughecka`	`bloody hell :P`
`15:29.44`	`CuCullin`	`of course, I REALLY need a big tin of flake`
`15:29.46`	`George-`	`CuCullin: at least someone has the sense to realise the United Kingdom is better than those evil sods across the Atlantic :P`
`15:30.00`	`CuCullin`	`they sell them for $1/bar here`
`15:30.06`	`CuCullin`	`George-, what, Mexico? ;)`
`15:30.13`	`CuCullin`	`or Canadia?`
`15:30.17`	`George-`	`doughecka: stop doing impersonations of the British. We know we're superior. You don't have to let us know :)`
`15:30.22`	`CuCullin`	`(misspelling intentional)`
`15:30.32`	`doughecka`	`George-: uh huh`
`15:30.41`	`George-`	`CuCullin: The United Muppets of America`
`15:30.47`	`George-`	`:)`
`15:31.08`	`doughecka`	`United keelfish`
`15:31.14`	`CuCullin`	`George-, ah, so you've heard about the APMD takeover....`
`15:31.21`	`George-`	`rofl`
`15:31.21`	`CuCullin`	`err, AMPD rather`
`15:31.25`	`CuCullin`	`:)`
`15:31.38`	`George-`	`African Muppets of blah blah right?`
`15:31.47`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`15:31.55`	`CuCullin`	`African Muppet Purple Dinosaurs`
`15:32.00`	`doughecka`	`nooo`
`15:32.07`	`doughecka`	`the worse kind!`
`15:32.28`	`CuCullin`	`Evil Bert, Barney's Creators, and Djibouti are behind the whole thing... the new Axis of Evil`
`15:33.32`	`doughecka`	`huh`
`15:33.33`	`doughecka`	`8 items found for cf 32`
`15:33.43`	`doughecka`	`whered all the CF cards go?`
`15:33.54`	`CuCullin`	`now me and my gf, we plan on leaving to avoid the AMPD's. I think we'll go to Australia, where inmates were given beautiful land, and turned it into a wonderful country where my American dollars are worth 3 times as much :)`
`15:34.08`	`doughecka`	`CuCullin: oh really?`
`15:34.25`	`doughecka`	`all 2 dollars and 34 cents`
`15:34.53`	`doughecka`	`17 items found for compact flash 32`
`15:35.02`	`doughecka`	`sheesh! where is everything? :)`
`15:35.27`	`doughecka`	`is lexar good?`
`15:36.20`	`zoid`	`doughecka: i've had no problems with my 256mb lexar sd card`
`15:36.29`	`doughecka`	`ok`
`15:36.34`	`doughecka`	`99 cents for a 32 meg one...`
`15:36.45`	`zoid`	`damn, heh`
`15:36.48`	`zoid`	`where's that at?`
`15:36.51`	`doughecka`	`EBAY!`
`15:36.52`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`15:36.56`	`zoid`	`heh`
`15:37.00`	`doughecka`	`64MB SmartMedia Card - 64 MB Smart Media card = 11 bucks`
`15:37.07`	`pHluid`	`Man.`
`15:37.13`	`George-`	`doughecka: er..`
`15:37.18`	`pHluid`	`I hate all you people with 256mb cards and stuff. :P`
`15:37.21`	`cynTop`	`where doughecka`
`15:37.24`	`George-`	`doughecka: you do realise these prices normally rocket in the last 5 minutes?`
`15:37.29`	`doughecka`	`George-: yea`
`15:37.29`	`cynTop`	`oh ebay`
`15:37.30`	`cynTop`	`yea`
`15:37.31`	`cynTop`	`heh`
`15:37.43`	`mark`	`yey, new BOFH`
`15:37.48`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`15:37.50`	`George-`	`I have a 160MB SanDisk CF`
`15:37.52`	`Matthew_I`	`any one running with all 64 megs as ram?`
`15:37.56`	`George-`	`and a 128MB Dane-Elec SD`
`15:38.04`	`doughecka`	`hrm`
`15:38.25`	`doughecka`	`sandisk and lexar are ok... any other ones that have been tested?`
`15:38.39`	`George-`	`no`
`15:38.54`	`George-`	`I only use SanDisk for CF`
`15:39.00`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`15:39.17`	`George-`	`Can you flash off an IBM MicroDrive? :P`
`15:39.31`	`doughecka`	`ooh, that would be cool`
`15:40.01`	`George-`	`not reallt`
`15:40.03`	`George-`	`not really`
`15:40.08`	`George-`	`it'd overheat in the process of flashing :)`
`15:40.13`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`15:40.57`	`doughecka`	`Transfer Rate Up to 16.6 MB/sec from host to buffer. Fast read access time under 200ns, with write access time at 10us, typically.`
`15:41.08`	`doughecka`	`and usb only gets... 11 mb/sec on a good day?`
`15:41.11`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`15:41.38`	`George-`	`uhh`
`15:41.41`	`George-`	`that's for the uDrive?`
`15:41.59`	`doughecka`	`lexar CF card`
`15:42.18`	`George-`	`you won't get more than 800KB/s`
`15:42.33`	`doughecka`	`huh`
`15:42.35`	`George-`	`or therabouts`
`15:42.40`	`doughecka`	`then why do they say 16 MBs`
`15:42.48`	`George-`	`I don't know`
`15:42.55`	`George-`	`you won't get more than 1MB/s MAXIMUM`
`15:43.07`	`pHluid`	`Hrm`
`15:43.16`	`doughecka`	`hmm, how long does it take you to copy roms to the CF card?`
`15:43.22`	`pHluid`	`http://shop.store.yahoo.com/digi4me/ibm512mbmict.html < 512mb Micro for $130, 1gb for $215`
`15:43.49`	`George-`	`doughecka: I haven't timed it.`
`15:43.57`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`15:44.02`	`doughecka`	`mine takes about a min`
`15:45.02`	`George-`	`http://www.totalpda.co.uk/accesspdaview.asp?product_title=1GB%20IBM%20Microdrive`
`15:45.05`	`George-`	`hrmm, 175 GBP`
`15:45.29`	`pHluid`	`Man`
`15:45.30`	`doughecka`	`~convert 175 GBP to dollars`
`15:45.39`	`George-`	`doughecka: you incompetent fool`
`15:45.40`	`pHluid`	`They're a lot cheaper than equivalent SD cards`
`15:45.45`	`George-`	`doughecka: DOLLARS ISN'T A CURRENCY`
`15:45.47`	`doughecka`	`~convert 175 pounds to dollars`
`15:45.50`	`George-`	`pffft`
`15:45.57`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`15:47.44`	`George-`	`ibot's currency converter is fubar`
`15:47.56`	`doughecka`	`~convert 50000 yen to dollars`
`15:48.06`	`George-`	`doughecka: STOP SAYING DOLLARS`
`15:48.20`	`George-`	`:P`
`15:48.31`	`doughecka`	`~convert 1000 miles to decameters`
`15:48.46`	`George-`	`Dollars are used all around the world. They aren't specific to the US, you disgusting boy`
`15:48.50`	`cwaig`	`175GBP==expensive for a microdrive`
`15:49.04`	`doughecka`	`George-: ibot thinks so`
`15:49.07`	`George-`	`cwaig: cheap in the UK`
`15:49.16`	`George-`	`doughecka: well, here's some news, they aren't.`
`15:49.18`	`doughecka`	`~convert 40000 yen to USD`
`15:49.30`	`George-`	`doughecka: And YES, there is a world outside your borders.`
`15:49.41`	`doughecka`	`George-: oh?`
`15:49.42`	`cwaig`	`nope - www.scan.co.uk, does 'em for 120GBP+vat (150GBP inc vat)`
`15:49.52`	`George-`	`doughecka: I suppose you're one of those 99% of all americans that think there is no world outside the US`
`15:49.59`	`cwaig`	`(sorry 128GBP)`
`15:50.02`	`George-`	`cwaig: nifty`
`15:50.07`	`George-`	`cwaig: didn't notice that! :)`
`15:50.18`	`pHluid`	`George: It's not that we don't think there is a world, it's just that people like you convince us to ignore it.`
`15:50.29`	`George-`	`pHluid: no, it's that you think you own the world.`
`15:50.41`	`pHluid`	`Aren't you British?`
`15:50.46`	`cwaig`	`got mine from there back in january - they sometime's put them on their today-only page as well for a few more pounds off`
`15:50.47`	`George-`	`yes.`
`15:51.06`	`George-`	`cwaig: nice`
`15:51.09`	`pHluid`	`I seem to remember a little thing called the British Empire where you motherfuckers sailed all over the place, stuck a flag in the ground, and claimed it as your own`
`15:51.23`	`George-`	`pHluid: there's a difference.. we did own the world :P`
`15:51.29`	`George-`	`pHluid: you only think you do :P`
`15:51.34`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`15:51.42`	`cwaig`	`heh heh heh`
`15:51.55`	`Wintre`	`Oo`
`15:52.00`	`pHluid`	`Yeh, you guys "owned" it until every country, one by one, whipped your ass and kicked you out`
`15:52.03`	`Wintre`	`Now I kinda wish George- weren't on ignore`
`15:52.13`	`George-`	`pHluid: wrong again`
`15:52.20`	`mark`	`Wintre: nah, he's being useless`
`15:52.21`	`George-`	`pHluid: we owned it until we liberated those countries`
`15:52.27`	`pHluid`	`rofl`
`15:52.28`	`Wintre`	`He might have something funny to say`
`15:52.30`	`George-`	`:P`
`15:52.32`	`cwaig`	`weren't whipped, we walked away (with the money)`
`15:52.37`	`George-`	`cwaig: haha`
`15:52.49`	`doughecka`	`then the US took over the planet`
`15:52.51`	`mark`	`hah, we liberated those countries`
`15:53.00`	`pHluid`	`"liberated" my ass, you showed up, oppressed everybody, stole everything, then ran away when the populace raised up against you :P`
`15:53.09`	`George-`	`doughecka: no. then the US thought they took over the planet ;P`
`15:53.17`	`cwaig`	`isn't that the US party trick?`
`15:53.22`	`George-`	`pHluid: oppressed everybody?`
`15:53.24`	`George-`	`pHluid: hahaha`
`15:53.27`	`George-`	`HAHAHAHAHA`
`15:53.30`	`doughecka`	`George-: Earth first! strip mine the other planets later`
`15:53.39`	`George-`	`we built a thriving economy in most of the countries we took over`
`15:53.55`	`pHluid`	`George: Funny that nobody has invited you back`
`15:54.01`	`George-`	`and we sent all the outcasts to Australia :)`
`15:54.02`	`mark`	`pHluid: interestingly, many people in Africa i've talked to said things were better under colonial power than under self rule`
`15:54.04`	`cwaig`	`which then fell part after we left...`
`15:54.08`	`George-`	`pHluid: what do you call the commonwealth then?`
`15:54.15`	`doughecka`	`we bomb other countrys out of the ston age, then help them back up`
`15:54.34`	`George-`	`pHluid: and why is the English monarch head of state in Australia, iirc`
`15:54.39`	`pHluid`	`mark: South Africa was left in a state of anarchy when they withdrew; of course the situation is bad`
`15:55.12`	`George-`	`pHluid: precisely, more evidence that we were needed`
`15:55.14`	`George-`	`pHluid: :P`
`15:55.18`	`kergoth`	`welcome to #politics, please leave your weapons in the designated slot next to the door`
`15:55.23`	`George-`	`kergoth: haha`
`15:55.30`	`mark`	`kergoth: do some work :P`
`15:55.32`	`pHluid`	`George: It wouldn't have been anarchy if you people hadn't been there in the first place :P`
`15:55.35`	`kergoth`	`mark: :)`
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`15:55.39`	`absentia`	`hi all`
`15:55.51`	`doughecka`	`absentia: isnt the US the best?`
`15:55.59`	`doughecka`	`welcome to #politics, please leave your weapons in the designated slot next to the door`
`15:56.03`	`doughecka`	`thank you`
`15:56.04`	`George-`	`pHluid: lies!`
`15:56.10`	`absentia`	`um... for what? politics? or what ?`
`15:56.19`	`absentia`	`www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com`
`15:56.20`	`absentia`	`:->`
`15:56.22`	`absentia`	`enough said.`
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`15:56.27`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`15:56.27`	`pHluid`	`I'm not defending the US, just saying, Britain is just as bad :P`
`15:56.31`	`mark`	`absentia: he is rumoured ot have commited suicide`
`15:56.35`	`George-`	`Britain is not just as bad`
`15:56.41`	`mark`	`britain was worse`
`15:56.47`	`cwaig`	`but if there'd been no euro-colonies, there'd be no US either (US==ungrateful ex UK/Froggy/Spanish penal colony)`
`15:57.05`	`George-`	`We didn't "suck" resources out of countries like you stupid US people seem to think`
`15:57.24`	`George-`	`cwaig: rofl`
`15:57.35`	`doughecka`	`George-: liar :P`
`15:57.36`	`cwaig`	`and watch the oil flow from Iraq (aid4oil - coming to a warzone near you RSN)`
`15:57.43`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`15:57.44`	`George-`	`doughecka: nah, just fact`
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`15:57.53`	`George-`	`doughecka: look in your own country. That's where the liars are :P`
`15:57.55`	`doughecka`	`George-: liar :P`
`15:57.57`	`mark`	`g`
`15:58.15`	`mark`	`doughecka: George- is 14, he really wont know much about the british empire and colonialism`
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`15:58.17`	`George-`	`at least we have a ruler that's got an IQ over 50`
`15:58.26`	`doughecka`	`George-: liar :P`
`15:58.30`	`doughecka`	`:D`
`15:58.34`	`cwaig`	`sorry, gotta cut this one short (25C + sunshine + I live at the beach == time to go to the pub)`
`15:58.41`	`George-`	`OK, in other words, doughecka can't think of anything else to say`
`15:58.46`	`doughecka`	`cwaig: nooo :)`
`15:58.51`	`doughecka`	`George-: lol`
`15:58.54`	`George-`	`cwaig: hah, pub`
`15:59.01`	`George-`	`cwaig: to get drunk? :P`
`15:59.30`	`doughecka`	`George- knows all about getting drunk`
`15:59.37`	`George-`	`doughecka: uhh, no I don't`
`15:59.42`	`George-`	`doughecka: I hate alcohol`
`15:59.46`	`doughecka`	`me to`
`15:59.47`	`doughecka`	`o`
`15:59.53`	`doughecka`	`I hate coffe`
`15:59.54`	`cwaig`	`George: and why not - I didn't move to the beach to sit home all day (must get a more powerful WIFI basestation, then I can work from the pub as well)`
`15:59.55`	`doughecka`	`I hate tea`
`15:59.57`	`doughecka`	`I like water`
`16:00.01`	`George-`	`cwaig: :)`
`16:00.14`	`George-`	`doughecka: I hate you.`
`16:00.16`	`George-`	`:P`
`16:00.23`	`doughecka`	`:D :D :D`
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`16:00.53`	`George-`	`doughecka: At least I know how to flash my Z :P`
`16:01.07`	`doughecka`	`George-: I know how too`
`16:01.15`	`doughecka`	`I dont have cash to buy more CF cards`
`16:01.23`	`George-`	`thief.`
`16:01.31`	`doughecka`	`lair`
`16:01.40`	`doughecka`	`;P`
`16:01.43`	`George-`	`You mean you don't have time to break into CompUSA or whatever?`
`16:01.47`	`George-`	`Like you normally do.`
`16:01.48`	`pHluid`	`dough: seriously, go to walmart, buy a cf card, flash, wipe it, take it back and say it doesn't work in your device :)`
`16:01.51`	`pHluid`	`that's what I did. :)`
`16:02.06`	`doughecka`	`pHluid: haha, how much are they at wallymart?`
`16:02.12`	`George-`	`pHluid: I'd expect that kind of behaviour from an american.`
`16:02.14`	`pHluid`	`dough: like $30`
`16:02.21`	`doughecka`	`pHluid: hmm`
`16:02.47`	`pHluid`	`George: Sorry, next time I'll simply deny the importation of iron and levy rediculous taxes`
`16:02.56`	`pHluid`	`to fund the purchase of a new card`
`16:03.04`	`doughecka`	`pHluid: ho ho :O`
`16:03.06`	`George-`	`pHluid: you bastard.`
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`16:07.27`	`George-`	`pHluid: At least we don't have stupid crap like the DMCA`
`16:07.29`	`doughecka`	`George-: boston tea party`
`16:07.40`	`doughecka`	`stamp act`
`16:07.40`	`pHluid`	`George: Point. ;[`
`16:07.41`	`doughecka`	`umm`
`16:07.48`	`George-`	`pHluid: we at least have a government that has some SENSE`
`16:08.01`	`doughecka`	`George-: at least we dont have wierdos tracking russia sattelites`
`16:08.02`	`George-`	`pHluid: and we don't throw people in prison for inane reasons`
`16:08.18`	`mark`	`George-: we'll have something like the DMCA soon enough`
`16:08.21`	`pHluid`	`George: Oh, I'm sure you probably do`
`16:08.39`	`George-`	`pHluid: at least we don't call our land some stupid freedom place - and oppress our own people`
`16:08.40`	`pHluid`	`Most countries jail people for assinine shit at least sometimes.`
`16:08.52`	`George-`	`pHluid: as much as america does? :P`
`16:09.10`	`doughecka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:09.32`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`16:09.36`	`doughecka`	`thats a real channel`
`16:10.24`	`doughecka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:10.25`	`George-`	`doughecka: you are a prime example of American intelligence`
`16:10.55`	`George-`	`doughecka: you have the IQ of an urchin quoffling weasle munching heffalump.`
`16:11.01`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`16:11.05`	`doughecka`	`~dict heffalump`
`16:11.13`	`doughecka`	`drats`
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`16:11.31`	`treke`	`George-: oh yeah? Well you sir are english!`
`16:11.37`	`George-`	`treke: haha`
`16:11.42`	`doughecka`	`Arts > Animation > Cartoons > Titles > W > Winnie the Pooh`
`16:11.45`	`George-`	`treke: and you're american.`
`16:11.46`	`George-`	`:P`
`16:11.58`	`treke`	`you fight like a cow`
`16:11.59`	`doughecka`	`George- watches Winnie the Pooh`
`16:13.46`	`George-`	`treke: you think like a donkey`
`16:13.48`	`doughecka`	`what is a USB enabled CF card?`
`16:13.54`	`warmi`	`George-: you watching too much tv :-) US is not a gun crazy, totalitarian place you think it is`
`16:14.20`	`treke`	`George-: was that the proper response to you fight like a cow?`
`16:14.29`	`doughecka`	`heffalump`
`16:14.34`	`George-`	`doughecka: Winnie the Pooh is a very intellectual cartoon, to those Americans with an IQ the same as their president.`
`16:14.36`	`pHluid`	`dough: Apparently that means not dick`
`16:14.36`	`mark`	`treke: it was something to do with a diary farmer`
`16:14.53`	`George-`	`treke: oh god, don't tell me you're referring to Monkey Island?`
`16:14.54`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`16:14.59`	`pHluid`	`I guess it's just a marketing thing to emphasise you can use it with USB card readers`
`16:15.08`	`George-`	`warmi: haha`
`16:15.14`	`George-`	`warmi: nah, I just sit on IRC too much :P`
`16:15.20`	`treke`	`George-: yes`
`16:15.26`	`doughecka`	`ooooh`
`16:15.33`	`doughecka`	`I could get 5x8mb CF cards`
`16:15.34`	`George-`	`treke: I can't actually remember the reply to that :)`
`16:15.37`	`doughecka`	`for 40 megs total`
`16:15.50`	`George-`	`doughecka: and why the hell would you want to do that`
`16:15.54`	`mark`	`treke: i think that was a response`
`16:16.05`	`doughecka`	`George-: dunno d00d`
`16:16.22`	`George-`	`lame script kiddie.`
`16:16.25`	`doughecka`	`samsung CF cards are OK?`
`16:16.26`	`pHluid`	`holy goddamn I just banged the hell out of my knee on my desk`
`16:16.28`	`George-`	`"d00d"...`
`16:16.40`	`pHluid`	`meh`
`16:16.44`	`pHluid`	`it's bleeding ;[`
`16:16.55`	`George-`	`that's American intelligence for you.`
`16:16.58`	`treke`	`insult sword fighting was way better than monkey fu`
`16:16.58`	`doughecka`	`L@M3RZ RU13Z`
`16:17.10`	`George-`	`treke: hehe`
`16:21.18`	`George-`	`doughecka: typical.`
`16:22.15`	`doughecka`	`risky`
`16:22.23`	`doughecka`	`we might bite back`
`16:22.26`	`George-`	`nah`
`16:22.30`	`George-`	`I'm a good Risk player:P`
`16:22.31`	`pHluid`	`Ahh, Risk. Bastion of the underage and friendless.`
`16:22.36`	`doughecka`	`ok`
`16:22.40`	`doughecka`	`we WILL bite back`
`16:22.58`	`George-`	`nah`
`16:23.03`	`George-`	`well, I suppose`
`16:23.10`	`George-`	`considering you're closer to animals than us`
`16:23.29`	`doughecka`	`but we out number you 10000 to 1`
`16:24.08`	`George-`	`your point?`
`16:24.14`	`George-`	`we outskill you 1000000000 to 1`
`16:24.36`	`doughecka`	`we have an airforce`
`16:24.49`	`doughecka`	`and navy`
`16:24.55`	`doughecka`	`and spaceforce`
`16:25.05`	`treke`	`and dentists`
`16:25.05`	`George-`	`and we have an IQ`
`16:25.06`	`doughecka`	`errr, forget I said that, thats top secret`
`16:25.11`	`kergoth`	`can you two have you pissing contest in another fucking channel?`
`16:25.21`	`George-`	`kergoth: I'll shut up now :)`
`16:25.26`	`doughecka`	`kergoth: as a matter of fact I was just stopping now`
`16:25.26`	`kergoth`	`good.`
`16:25.29`	`phoen][x`	`kergoth: thanks`
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`16:26.03`	`doughecka`	`hugh! long time no see!`
`16:26.11`	`*** join/#zaurus kolla (~kolla@eto.home.uninett.no)`
`16:26.26`	`doughecka`	`kolla! long time no see!`
`16:26.45`	`kolla`	`morning :)`
`16:26.54`	`doughecka`	`~country .no`
`16:26.54`		`methinks country .no is norway`
`16:26.57`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`16:27.01`	`doughecka`	`cold up there eh?`
`16:27.27`	`kolla`	`spring is doings its work :)`
`16:27.35`	`doughecka`	`kewl`
`16:27.37`	`kolla`	`today was quite nice`
`16:27.39`	`hugh`	`In the frozen north (Toronto) it went up to 27C yesterday`
`16:27.54`	`hugh`	`Warmer than Havana!`
`16:28.02`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`16:28.13`	`doughecka`	`thats so.... warm`
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`16:28.52`	`kergoth`	`yo oGMo`
`16:28.57`	`oGMo`	`hey kergoth`
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`16:29.01`	`oGMo`	`how goes it`
`16:29.35`	`George-`	`just conquered ontario :)`
`16:29.47`	`kergoth`	`doughecka, George-: enough.`
`16:29.56`	`doughecka`	`:D`
`16:30.08`	`George-`	`kergoth: I'm only playing Risk :)`
`16:30.30`	`doughecka`	`:�`
`16:30.31`	`kergoth`	`George-: I dont care.`
`16:30.48`	`phoen][x`	`you are quite annoying for guys who dont even carry an @`
`16:31.17`	`dougheck`	`drats`
`16:47.15`	`dougheck`	`whats -e mode?`
`16:47.45`	`treke`	`identified`
`16:47.50`	`dougheck`	`ah`
`16:47.57`	`dougheck`	`1 min remaining`
`16:48.55`	`dougheck`	`23 seconds`
`16:50.58`	`dougheck`	`yay, I win a sandisk CF card for 9 bucks`
`16:58.43`	`George-`	`woot`
`16:58.48`	`George-`	`I just conquered the world :)`
`17:00.09`	`CuCullin`	`just as long as I can still buy a frozen monkey dressed up like a lebanese dominatrix I dont mind.`
`17:00.59`	`Wintre`	`A Lebanese dominatrix?`
`17:01.03`	`CuCullin`	`yup`
`17:01.04`	`Wintre`	`How does such a woman look?`
`17:01.46`	`CuCullin`	`They have leather veils`
`17:01.50`	`warmi`	`a woman with AK 47 with stick of dynamite wrapped around her waist ?`
`17:02.35`	`Wintre`	`No, that's Palestinian`
`17:02.41`	`Wintre`	`The Lebanese aren't so intense`
`17:03.00`	`CuCullin`	`yeah but she'd be a DOMINATRIX! Duh...`
`17:03.17`	`George-`	`warmi: rofl`
`17:04.00`	`George-`	`warmi: do you happen to know if there's a PocketPC SDK for Linux?`
`17:04.09`	`warmi`	`Wintre: well, I am not sure .. they are under foreign occupation just like Palestine ..`
`17:04.37`	`warmi`	`the only difference is that the bad guys happened to be Arabs as opposed to Jews`
`17:04.49`	`warmi`	`George-: no`
`17:05.06`	`warmi`	`well .. there is a gnu version that will compiler stuff for PPC`
`17:05.13`	`warmi`	`but I don't think it will do GUI code`
`17:05.50`	`George-`	`k`
`17:05.56`	`Wintre`	`warmi: IIRC the violence I've heard about is primarily Palestinian vs. Israeli`
`17:06.17`	`warmi`	`George-: http://www.voxware.com/opensource/opensource_main.html`
`17:06.47`	`warmi`	`Wintre: well, cause this is a nice clear cut conflict .. Arabs vs Jews ...`
`17:07.13`	`warmi`	`when you have Arabs vs Arabs , nobody wants to talk about that`
`17:07.14`	`CuCullin`	`ya know, a group should be started that shares cf cards with oz roms on it, kind of like there used to be (or still is? Dunno) with linux`
`17:07.28`	`warmi`	`as say Syria occupying Leban`
`17:07.49`	`George-`	`warmi: hrmmmmm...`
`17:08.08`	`warmi`	`George-: isn't that what you asked for ?`
`17:08.15`	`George-`	`yah`
`17:08.21`	`warmi`	`a development environment based on the Gnu Compiler Collection (GCC), hosted on RedHat linux`
`17:08.51`	`George-`	`I might look into it someday`
`17:09.37`	`warmi`	`it is worthless since you cannot do GUI`
`17:09.46`	`warmi`	`I mean, it is worthless for commercial development`
`17:09.56`	`CuCullin`	`Just do it before ze germans get here.`
`17:09.56`	`George-`	`yes`
`17:10.00`	`George-`	`that's what I thought`
`17:10.16`	`*** join/#zaurus decaff^ (~knoppix@216-187-196-82.dsl.btitelecom.net)`
`17:10.19`	`warmi`	`CuCullin: hehe ...`
`17:11.49`	`warmi`	`CuCullin: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0208092`
`17:12.42`	`CuCullin`	`warmi, yup :)`
`17:12.57`	`CuCullin`	`great movie`
`17:13.06`	`George-`	`"I liked 95/98 but those OS's just won't cut it anymore." <- Quoted from the forums`
`17:13.34`	`CuCullin`	`$18, 64mb Samsung CF.... hrmm`
`17:13.46`	`CuCullin`	`George-, its so colorful though! What a pretty blue....`
`17:13.51`	`George-`	`CuCullin: bah`
`17:13.54`	`kolla`	`that rich guy wosshisname that married madonna`
`17:13.59`	`kolla`	`hehe`
`17:14.13`	`George-`	`CuCullin: I'm trying to stop myself from posting back with the comment "WINDOWS 95 WAS A PILE OF SHIT!!!!"`
`17:14.46`	`kolla`	`it got better? :)`
`17:15.02`	`CuCullin`	`Why not just say that they are all misguided, and should start using CP/M`
`17:15.20`	`mark`	`kolla: guy richi?`
`17:15.20`	`kolla`	`mark: oh, right, hehe`
`17:17.05`	`CuCullin`	`or ask them if this OS X thing works with DOS....`
`17:17.06`	`phoen][x`	`Snatch is good? hehe, take a look at that one then: http://german.imdb.com/Title?0105236`
`17:17.37`	`CuCullin`	`I want to see that... probably will soon`
`17:17.49`	`CuCullin`	`I watch lots of movies, actually, more than most people could stand.`
`17:17.59`	`phoen][x`	`its one of the best films i've ever seen`
`17:18.05`	`phoen][x`	`and i saw quite some`
`17:18.56`	`CuCullin`	`hrmm im going to need a cf reader too, wont I. Damnit.`
`17:23.55`	`phoen][x`	`they are cheap`
`17:23.58`	`*** join/#zaurus mutexer (~tnspock@adsl-82-174-247.mem.bellsouth.net)`
`17:24.20`	`phoen][x`	`one ~could~ use the Z as cf-writer, but its kinda pervert`
`17:24.25`	`*** join/#zaurus ljp (~ljp@tq0201.peakpeak.com)`
`17:24.39`	`treke`	`and your screwed if your Z breaks and you need to reflash`
`17:25.49`	`phoen][x`	`yeah. and you have to use usbnet.`
`17:25.50`	`phoen][x`	`so its prolly a good idea to spend those 15-20USD`
`17:25.50`	`CuCullin`	`screw it, ill just go to compusa later and buy both`
`17:26.15`	`phoen][x`	`thats the right attitude. while you are at it, be sure to get a SD-card`
`17:26.36`	`treke`	`SD is the spawn of the devil. buy MMC :)`
`17:26.52`	`phoen][x`	`or that. they are even cheaper :)`
`17:26.55`	`CuCullin`	`eh, ill get the jackass at customer service to throw it in for free`
`17:27.05`	`CuCullin`	`I spend lots of money there, so they give me what I want :)`
`17:27.06`	`ljp`	`and while you are there, buy me a wireless card`
`17:27.11`	`CuCullin`	`bah`
`17:27.15`	`George-`	`ljp: go to bed`
`17:27.16`	`CuCullin`	`im doing that one on ebay`
`17:27.28`	`CuCullin`	`but I do need to find a place with the CE-AG06`
`17:27.32`	`ljp`	`George-: I am in bed`
`17:27.34`	`treke`	`since your getting people stuff, I could use a girlfriend`
`17:27.36`	`warmi`	`hahaha`
`17:27.40`	`George-`	`ljp: you sick bastard`
`17:27.45`	`phoen][x`	`lol`
`17:27.47`	`Matthew_I`	`is there any way I can get rid of these low mem warnings`
`17:27.52`	`phoen][x`	`treke: good one`
`17:27.54`	`kergoth`	`Matthew_I: dont use so much mem`
`17:27.56`	`treke`	`Matthew_I: close some programs`
`17:28.00`	`CuCullin`	`treke, does it have to be the same species?`
`17:28.06`	`treke`	`CuCullin: I'm not picky`
`17:28.15`	`CuCullin`	`treke, remember, put a goat on the edge of a cliff, and they push back! :)`
`17:28.18`	`phoen][x`	`Matthew_I: move stuff out of /mnt/ram`
`17:28.23`	`ljp`	`Matthew_I: push the 'Ok' button when youse eone. that'll make it go away`
`17:28.32`	`Matthew_I`	`right....`
`17:28.45`	`George-`	`ljp: rofl`
`17:28.48`	`phoen][x`	`kergoth: well wait that wouldnt help would it? he would have to use another zImage, no?`
`17:29.00`	`Matthew_I`	`would you all recommend an sdcard or a cfcard for program storage?`
`17:29.12`	`kergoth`	`phoen][x: low mem errors have nothing to do with /mnt/ram`
`17:29.17`	`Matthew_I`	`or I could just use the 48 or 64 ram images`
`17:29.20`	`kergoth`	`phoen][x: that ramdisk isnt dynamically sized.`
`17:29.31`	`warmi`	`I prefer CF - it is faster but often you want to use CF port for something else`
`17:30.01`	`Matthew_I`	`I was thinking about getting a big cf card for music and like html books and what not, and a sd card for installing apps`
`17:30.10`	`phoen][x`	`kergoth: yeah. but if i would swap my zImage (eg one that provides only 8MB in /mnt/ram) i should've more ram for opie, yes?`
`17:30.25`	`Matthew_I`	`opie takes about a min to catch it's breath on a resume when I have a cf card in`
`17:30.47`	`kergoth`	`phoen][x: yes. and i told matthew to not run as many apps`
`17:31.05`	`CuCullin`	`well, the one thing that happened as a result of my Z being stolen is, now that I have another one, I have two cradles... brb, plugging the one here in`
`17:31.09`	`Matthew_I`	`see I want to use like 48 megs of ram only leaving me 16 to install stuff that Is why I need an sd card`
`17:31.13`	`kergoth`	`phoen][x: i think you missed the point. he probably has too many apps enabled as fast load`
`17:31.16`	`kergoth`	`phoen][x: heh`
`17:31.37`	`phoen][x`	`kergoth: yeah i know. i only wanted to know for myself because i usually run into those messages when i have xmms and qt-reader open. so i'll simply switch the zimage and should have more ram.`
`17:31.43`	`Matthew_I`	`kergoth: I did not tell any to fast load, are any set that way by default`
`17:32.03`	`Matthew_I`	`can I upgrade the zimage without erasing my data?`
`17:32.05`	`warmi`	`Matthew_I: yeah`
`17:32.05`	`kergoth`	`Matthew_I: sharp or oz? oz doesnt default to anything fast loaded out of hte box`
`17:32.39`	`warmi`	`on the other hand sharp rom preloades bunch of apps`
`17:32.45`	`CuCullin`	`ahh.... there we go`
`17:32.46`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`17:33.05`	`treke`	`fastload is actually rather nice if you have the memory`
`17:33.07`	`Matthew_I`	`ok ill just deal with them until I update my zimage`
`17:33.11`	`CuCullin`	`I like having 6 outlets run from the manufacturing portion of the business... more room for surge strips, and they wont trip the breakers.`
`17:33.16`	`warmi`	`CuCullin: you are the guy who got his jacked stolen with the zaurus inside ?`
`17:33.27`	`CuCullin`	`yup, that would be me`
`17:33.45`	`dougheck`	`haha`
`17:33.56`	`CuCullin`	`I bought a new jacket, a new Z, and now, I just need another CE-AG06, and another WiFi CF, then I'm all set`
`17:34.22`	`warmi`	`heh .. yeah, just keep your jacket with you all the time and you will be fine :-)`
`17:34.56`	`mark`	`anyone know gdb?`
`17:34.59`	`CuCullin`	`Hell yeah, I've been locking it up every day, and the z doesnt leave my immediate vicinity`
`17:35.16`	`CuCullin`	`of course, someone stole a picture frame from another office now, im guessing its the same jackass`
`17:35.34`	`warmi`	`a picture frame ?`
`17:35.37`	`CuCullin`	`So I may take a night and just hide`
`17:35.42`	`CuCullin`	`yeah, complete with picture`
`17:35.45`	`CuCullin`	`:)`
`17:35.45`	`warmi`	`man.. this guy must be desperate`
`17:35.48`	`dougheck`	`to frame someone else!`
`17:35.53`	`dougheck`	`hahaha`
`17:36.03`	`CuCullin`	`thats what I'm thinking`
`17:36.39`	`CuCullin`	`oh well... i may stake out my work on some night, have my gf take my car to her house so the place looks empty, hide, then kick someones ass.`
`17:36.57`	`kergoth`	`good plan`
`17:37.22`	`warmi`	`what if that is your boss who is doing all that stealing ?`
`17:38.58`	`*** join/#zaurus sigmounte (~sigmounte@213.41.146.85)`
`17:40.16`	`George-`	`:P`
`17:40.30`	`nichos`	`when uploading big files, does it ever stall using sftp on anyone?`
`17:41.04`	`Matthew_I`	`nichos: usbdnet or usbnet`
`17:41.10`	`Matthew_I`	`nichos: and kern version`
`17:41.27`	`CuCullin`	`warmi, then I'll kick his ass anyway, and steal his car :)`
`17:41.27`	`nichos`	`usbnet`
`17:41.33`	`nichos`	`2.4.20`
`17:41.47`	`George-`	`which Z?`
`17:41.59`	`nichos`	`5500`
`17:42.08`	`CuCullin`	`stalls using irda for big files`
`17:42.18`	`CuCullin`	`I cant use irda to send mp3's, gotta use the cradle`
`17:42.38`	`nichos`	`even when i try to ssh into the Z, then ftp to the server, it stalls`
`17:43.16`	`Matthew_I`	`is the microdrive compact flash memory?`
`17:43.26`	`George-`	`nichos: does usbnet bring up both usb0 and usb1 on your desktop box?`
`17:43.33`	`phoen][x`	`Matthew_I: yes`
`17:43.51`	`George-`	`Matthew_I: no`
`17:43.55`	`George-`	`Matthew_I: it's not flash`
`17:44.00`	`Matthew_I`	`CuCullin: where are you irda'ing to (z to z?)`
`17:44.00`	`George-`	`:P`
`17:44.09`	`Matthew_I`	`George-: is it compatable with the z?`
`17:44.17`	`George-`	`Matthew_I: yes`
`17:44.19`	`phoen][x`	`Matthew_I: yes it is`
`17:44.20`	`CuCullin`	`Laptop to Z`
`17:44.28`	`George-`	`Matthew_I: it acts like a standard ATA PCMCIA drive`
`17:44.30`	`phoen][x`	`Matthew_I: dont listen to george too often ;)`
`17:44.36`	`Matthew_I`	`CuCullin: how do you do it?`
`17:44.41`	`George-`	`phoen][x: The Microdrive ISN'T flash`
`17:45.07`	`phoen][x`	`George-: yes it is not. but was he wanted to ask if it would work with the Z`
`17:45.11`	`CuCullin`	`by sitting the Z in front of it, and clicking on transfer files :P My laptop has xp on it.`
`17:45.15`	`CuCullin`	`Works fine for other files`
`17:45.21`	`George-`	`phoen][x: when he asked if it worked in the Z, I said yes`
`17:45.22`	`kergoth`	`I think he meant just because george is right this time doesnt mean he's right other times, and not to get in the habit of listening`
`17:45.23`	`nichos`	`George- no, just usb0`
`17:45.25`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`17:45.32`	`George-`	`phoen][x: when he asked if it was flash, I said no`
`17:45.44`	`George-`	`kergoth: bastard. :)`
`17:45.45`	`phoen][x`	`George-: i know. i read that myself.`
`17:45.51`	`*** join/#zaurus omooreonzaurus (~zic@216.65.195.25)`
`17:45.58`	`phoen][x`	`heh, i didnt say that`
`17:46.38`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`17:46.47`	`George-`	`~kill kergoth`
`17:46.48`		`ACTION slits kergoth's throat`
`17:47.07`	`Matthew_I`	`CuCullin: where can I find out how to do irda to my z`
`17:47.13`	`Matthew_I`	`CuCullin: from my lappy`
`17:47.43`	`CuCullin`	`Matthew_I, its easy`
`17:47.51`	`CuCullin`	`just go to settings`
`17:48.00`	`CuCullin`	`then beam recieve`
`17:48.03`	`Matthew_I`	`CuCullin: you use windows on the lappy?`
`17:48.04`	`CuCullin`	`err, receive`
`17:48.10`	`CuCullin`	`Matthew_I, yup`
`17:48.11`	`phoen][x`	`George-: do you play games?`
`17:48.15`	`Matthew_I`	`linux here`
`17:48.23`	`George-`	`phoen][x: I'm a kid aren't I?`
`17:48.30`	`Matthew_I`	`so am I`
`17:48.33`	`Matthew_I`	`sort of`
`17:48.39`	`CuCullin`	`Ah. Well thats easy to. As long as you've set it up on there correctly, then it will work from the get-go`
`17:48.47`	`George-`	`so is ljp :)`
`17:48.50`	`George-`	`ljp claims he's 13`
`17:48.51`	`George-`	`lol`
`17:48.55`	`Matthew_I`	`im 18`
`17:48.55`	`phoen][x`	`George-: no idea. do you know a good space-shooter that works under linux (wine/winex/native - doesnt matter)?`
`17:48.58`	`treke`	`ljp is a hippy. not a kid`
`17:49.04`	`treke`	`I'm not sure which is worse`
`17:49.10`	`George-`	`phoen][x: space-shooter?`
`17:49.12`	`hugh`	`just got a Zaurus 5500. Charging now. What's the best ROM image to use? 2.38?`
`17:49.20`	`George-`	`hugh: OZ`
`17:49.24`	`treke`	`hugh: 2.38 or OpenZaurus`
`17:49.25`	`phoen][x`	`George-: yeah. something like wing commander, etc.`
`17:49.31`	`George-`	`phoen][x: Wing Commander?`
`17:49.33`	`treke`	`phoen][x: Terminus`
`17:49.37`	`George-`	`phoen][x: I only play strategy claims`
`17:49.41`	`George-`	`phoen][x: and platform`
`17:49.41`	`phoen][x`	`all the open source thingies are rather weak`
`17:49.41`	`CuCullin`	`ooh, wing commander`
`17:49.45`	`Matthew_I`	`if I got a 512 flash card or a 1gig microdrive, could I put a 500 meg divix movie on it and watch it on my z?`
`17:49.51`	`phoen][x`	`George-: okay. ignore me then :)`
`17:49.55`	`phoen][x`	`treke: free?`
`17:49.56`	`CuCullin`	`oh goddamnit`
`17:49.57`	`George-`	`phoen][x: already do :P`
`17:50.00`	`treke`	`phoen][x: no`
`17:50.05`	`CuCullin`	`anyone have their 5500 cd nearby?`
`17:50.09`	`George-`	`phoen][x: something like chromium?`
`17:50.28`	`phoen][x`	`George-: no, thats a scroller (kinda). i want some 3d stuff :)`
`17:50.31`	`CuCullin`	`eh, forget it, I can d/l from myzaurus.com`
`17:50.34`	`dougheck`	`CuCullin: you can get a free CD from sharp`
`17:50.35`	`Matthew_I`	`are the z sdl libs complete?`
`17:50.46`	`George-`	`phoen][x: go buy interstellar flames for your Z :)`
`17:50.46`	`mark`	`are there any licenses that permit source redistribution but not binary?`
`17:50.47`	`phoen][x`	`treke: online or offline?`
`17:50.55`	`CuCullin`	`I've got 2, both at home`
`17:51.14`	`CuCullin`	`just need one thing... so ill d/l the CD, should only take a few mins`
`17:51.18`	`treke`	`phoen][x: both`
`17:51.23`	`phoen][x`	`George-: i cant connect my joystick to the Z - it misses a port :)`
`17:51.28`	`CuCullin`	`ugh, f'ing slow site.`
`17:51.29`	`phoen][x`	`treke: got an url for me?`
`17:51.36`	`Matthew_I`	`how can I tell if ip masq is setup right, cause my z can't connect to the net (of course that means it is not right but I still need to know)`
`17:52.58`	`Matthew_I`	`whats the diff between sd and mmc`
`17:53.32`	`dougheck`	`hmm`
`17:53.35`	`dougheck`	`nothing`
`17:53.39`	`dougheck`	`on the Z`
`17:53.47`	`dougheck`	`SD is "secure" but the Z doesnt do that`
`17:53.51`	`dougheck`	`so it works the same way`
`17:53.57`	`Matthew_I`	`that is the only diff? the secure part`
`17:53.57`	`dougheck`	`I think`
`17:54.02`	`dougheck`	`yea`
`17:54.03`	`dougheck`	`~sd`
`17:54.04`		`well, sd is an external storage media that can be used for applications and documents. Due to it's slow speed, it is not recommended for video/audio files, or http://www.zauruszone.com/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml, or not supported on the ipaq, see mmc`
`17:54.12`	`phoen][x`	`and SD is faster but the Z doesnt use that either`
`17:54.22`	`phoen][x`	`iirc`
`17:54.23`	`dougheck`	`~mmc`
`17:54.24`		`extra, extra, read all about it, mmc is MultiMediaCard mentioned at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpaqHardwareCompatibilityStorage or at http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?MMC%20or%20SD%20card, or http://hacking.the.cia.com/~knight/ZaurusIndex.php`
`17:54.32`	`Matthew_I`	`so for video use cf, what about installing apps?`
`17:55.01`	`treke`	`as far us users are concerned, on the Z the only difference is capacity. larger SD cards are available than MMC`
`17:55.13`	`dougheck`	`hm`
`17:55.23`	`treke`	`hardware wise they are different`
`17:55.24`	`dougheck`	`but you can get 6 gig CF cards`
`17:55.26`	`dougheck`	`:)`
`17:55.48`	`dougheck`	`ONLY FOR $7500 at the your nearest online store`
`17:55.52`	`CuCullin`	`ugh slow and getting slower`
`17:56.12`	`phoen][x`	`dougheck: and you cant use your wifi-card to upload stuff to them. great!`
`17:56.24`	`dougheck`	`yup`
`17:56.24`	`dougheck`	`:)`
`17:56.42`	`phoen][x`	`the good thing about sd/mmc is that you the cf slot free for stuff that's really useful: gps or wifi. :)`
`17:56.55`	`dougheck`	`yea`
`17:56.56`	`phoen][x`	`s/you the/you have the/;`
`17:56.56`	`dougheck`	`pretty cool`
`17:56.57`	`CuCullin`	`77kbps and dropping.... either sharp sucks or someone here just realized how fast the connection is...`
`17:57.01`	`George-`	`dougheck: you can't get 6gb cf cards.`
`17:57.10`	`dougheck`	`CuCullin: I am downloading the cd :)`
`17:57.15`	`George-`	`dougheck: 4gb is currently the largest :P`
`17:57.15`	`CuCullin`	`bastard :)`
`17:57.18`	`phoen][x`	`dougheck: i think that was a joke`
`17:57.25`	`phoen][x`	`argh, wrong nick`
`17:57.32`	`George-`	`phoen][x: I know it was a joke :P`
`17:57.41`	`phoen][x`	`George-: as mdrives or as flashmem?`
`17:57.43`	`CuCullin`	`hehe, well, I'm halfway done`
`17:57.53`	`George-`	`phoen][x: but being me, I decided to take it literally, because it annoys more people :)`
`17:57.57`	`George-`	`phoen][x: as microdrive`
`17:58.05`	`George-`	`phoen][x: well, the 4gb microdrive isn't out yet`
`17:58.10`	`George-`	`phoen][x: being released in Autumn`
`17:58.16`	`Matthew_I`	`which one is best to install apps to?`
`17:58.17`	`phoen][x`	`George-: what about the battery`
`17:58.20`	`phoen][x`	`yummies`
`17:58.27`	`dougheck`	`hmm`
`17:58.29`	`George-`	`fuck the battery :P`
`17:58.31`	`dougheck`	`check out pretec.com`
`17:58.31`	`phoen][x`	`Matthew_I: mmc/sd, imo`
`17:58.46`	`George-`	`I use a 128mb sd for apps`
`17:58.48`	`Matthew_I`	`phoen][x: that is what I was thinking`
`17:58.51`	`George-`	`and a 160MB cf for other stuff :)`
`17:58.52`	`George-`	`like MP3s`
`17:58.57`	`dougheck`	`http://www.pretec.com/PR/CeBIT_PR_3GB_6GB2%20021.pdf`
`17:59.04`	`Matthew_I`	`do sd's come in 256?`
`17:59.05`	`George-`	`simply because SD is too slow`
`17:59.13`	`George-`	`Matthew_I: sds come in 512 iirc`
`17:59.20`	`phoen][x`	`Matthew_I: sd's go up to 512 iirc`
`17:59.21`	`CuCullin`	`I just stream the mp3's off my desktop`
`17:59.25`	`Matthew_I`	`iirc?`
`17:59.28`	`phoen][x`	`Matthew_I: mmc's go up to 256`
`17:59.30`	`treke`	`Matthew_I: have you ever considered do some research on your own?`
`17:59.32`	`CuCullin`	`if i recall correctly`
`17:59.41`	`phoen][x`	`Matthew_I: [i]f [i] [r]emember [c]orrectly`
`17:59.43`	`George-`	`phoen][x: mmcs go up to 128`
`17:59.45`	`dougheck`	`~iirc`
`17:59.45`		`from memory, iirc is "if I recall correctly"`
`17:59.45`	`Matthew_I`	`I did do research`
`17:59.52`	`dougheck`	`~dict iirc`
`17:59.55`	`Matthew_I`	`i only saw 256 sd cards`
`18:00.02`	`Matthew_I`	`ok thanks all`
`18:00.12`	`phoen][x`	`George-: really? it was a hoax then or iric`
`18:00.22`	`dougheck`	`Matthew_I: I think it means if I recall correctly :)`
`18:00.23`	`George-`	`phoen][x: hrmm`
`18:00.29`	`phoen][x`	`iric = i remembered in-correctly :)`
`18:00.29`	`George-`	`phoen][x: someone made a 256MB MMC?`
`18:00.47`	`dougheck`	`lol`
`18:00.52`	`George-`	`phoen][x: I have only ever seen 128MB sds, and they are very few and far between :)`
`18:00.59`	`phoen][x`	`George-: i cant promise you, i'll check my bookmarks though`
`18:01.18`	`CuCullin`	`hrmm anyone know if there are any stores that the CE-AG06 can be purchased at`
`18:01.19`	`CuCullin`	`?`
`18:01.19`	`George-`	`Twiun: go to prison :P`
`18:01.44`	`dougheck`	`George-: go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200`
`18:02.09`	`George-`	`dougheck: �200, not $200 :P`
`18:02.25`	`phoen][x`	`treke: is it worth the price?`
`18:02.43`	`treke`	`phoen][x: if you like Wing Commander, than probably`
`18:02.52`	`phoen][x`	`treke: played it yet?`
`18:02.57`	`treke`	`phoen][x: not recently`
`18:03.16`	`phoen][x`	`treke: ah well, what are 40USD :)`
`18:03.27`	`CuCullin`	`oh, and George-, yes, SanDisk did.`
`18:03.30`	`treke`	`40USD? sounds overpriced`
`18:03.43`	`George-`	`CuCullin: make a 256MB SD?`
`18:03.51`	`CuCullin`	`no, MMC`
`18:03.59`	`CuCullin`	`i believe they did... ill double check`
`18:04.07`	`George-`	`I don't remember them doing it.`
`18:04.24`	`treke`	`I;ve seen references to a 256MB mmc, but it could have been a misprint`
`18:04.35`	`phoen][x`	`treke: at tuxgames.com`
`18:04.40`	`treke`	`ah cool.`
`18:04.52`	`treke`	`didnt know they had it`
`18:04.59`	`phoen][x`	`George-: sorry cant find it. seems to be alzheimer on my side or something.`
`18:05.18`	`CuCullin`	`treke, that could very well be it`
`18:05.31`	`CuCullin`	`oh well, I'm going to stop looking, its a moot point anyway.`
`18:07.00`	`George-`	`http://www.esend.com/sandisk/products.asp?value=MEMM&valueIs=dept`
`18:07.07`	`George-`	`nawp, SanDisk only make up to 128MB MMC`
`18:07.41`	`phoen][x`	`damn, a 128MB mmc card costs only ~40EUR`
`18:07.58`	`phoen][x`	`heh LOL`
`18:08.07`	`phoen][x`	`the 8MB mmc costs 84EUR`
`18:09.27`	`dougheck`	`haha`
`18:11.28`	`phoen][x`	`treke: it looks neat`
`18:11.51`	`phoen][x`	`George-: i found something for ya`
`18:11.53`	`phoen][x`	`George-: http://www.sonicblue.com/shop/_templates/item_main.asp?model=182&cat=33`
`18:12.03`	`phoen][x`	`George-: hoax or not?`
`18:12.11`	`treke`	`I saw that`
`18:12.22`	`treke`	`look at the image`
`18:12.39`	`George-`	`it's an SD card`
`18:12.45`	`treke`	`It's labeled SDcard, which makes me suspect it was misentered`
`18:13.01`	`phoen][x`	`crap, why do they look identical`
`18:13.02`	`George-`	`SanDisk don't make > 128MB`
`18:13.35`	`phoen][x`	`it surely is an sd. mmc's dont have the write-lock.`
`18:13.47`	`George-`	`This memory is NOT compatible with the Nike psa[play, Rio One, Rio 300, Rio 500, Rio 600 and Rio 800 players`
`18:13.58`	`George-`	`That's probably because those players only accept MMC media`
`18:13.59`	`George-`	`:)`
`18:14.08`	`phoen][x`	`yeah, makes sense`
`18:14.35`	`dougheck`	`rio 600 doesnt have a port on it`
`18:14.40`	`phoen][x`	`why does noone build bigger sd cards?`
`18:14.44`	`dougheck`	`does it?`
`18:14.54`	`treke`	`phoen][x: there are big SD cads`
`18:15.06`	`treke`	`phoen][x: its mmc thats limited, and thats because people want to push SD instead`
`18:15.22`	`phoen][x`	`treke: yeah i mean mmc`
`18:15.42`	`phoen][x`	`sorry`
`18:15.44`	`treke`	`the idea is that mmc is supposed to die`
`18:16.02`	`dougheck`	`hey sniper!`
`18:16.12`	`dougheck`	`ooh`
`18:16.22`	`dougheck`	`wrong sniper`
`18:16.46`	`phoen][x`	`treke: because you can take a higher price for sd cards? makes sense.`
`18:16.55`	`treke`	`phoen][x: because sd supports DRM`
`18:17.17`	`phoen][x`	`oh that too? evul.`
`18:17.53`	`George-`	`dougheck: why'd you just say hi to sniper? ;P`
`18:18.18`	`dougheck`	`a sniper connected`
`18:19.18`	`George-`	`uhh`
`18:19.22`	`George-`	`I don't see a sniper :P`
`18:19.27`	`dougheck`	`he disconnected`
`18:21.33`	`George-`	`I don't see a Sniper disconnect nor connect`
`18:21.34`	`mutexer`	`warmi: you here?`
`18:21.48`	`George-`	`mutexer: can you write a StarCraft clone for the Z? :)`
`18:21.50`	`dougheck`	`I saw it`
`18:21.54`	`dougheck`	`[14:15] *** Signon by Sniper (SNIPER!SMOKE@h24-83-239-52.va.shawcable.net, Mask: !@*) detected`
`18:21.54`	`phoen][x`	`George-: thats because he did not connect`
`18:21.57`	`dougheck`	`[14:17] *** Signoff by Sniper detected`
`18:22.07`	`mutexer`	`George-: I dont like RTS games`
`18:22.09`	`George-`	`dougheck: you have him on notify?`
`18:22.10`	`phoen][x`	`dougheck: not in this channel :)`
`18:22.16`	`George-`	`mutexer: pppllleeeaaassseeee? :)`
`18:22.20`	`dougheck`	`:)`
`18:22.33`	`mutexer`	`I know someone who was suppose to be writing a RTS but he never finished it`
`18:22.52`	`George-`	`i might write a commercial FreeCiv client :)`
`18:22.57`	`George-`	`for the Z`
`18:23.00`	`treke`	`George-: no you wont`
`18:23.09`	`George-`	`treke: licensing?`
`18:23.19`	`treke`	`George-: your too lazy`
`18:23.25`	`George-`	`treke: damn right :)`
`18:24.12`	`treke`	`that isnt something to be proud of`
`18:24.30`	`George-`	`treke: hell yeh it is :)`
`18:24.37`	`mutexer`	`port FreeCiv to the Z`
`18:24.53`	`mutexer`	`its got crappy graphics on PC doesnt it? I mean nothing the Z cant handle`
`18:25.00`	`George-`	`mutexer: lol`
`18:25.07`	`George-`	`mutexer: FreeCiv already has a Z client`
`18:25.09`	`George-`	`mutexer: it just sucks`
`18:25.14`	`mutexer`	`ah`
`18:25.16`	`warmi`	`mutexer: yeah`
`18:25.40`	`George-`	`treke: nope`
`18:26.11`	`mutexer`	`warmi: how did youy handle keyboard input on the PC? the KeyDown functions only accept the buttons on the front case of the PDA (or do they all map to keybaord keys..I know it said start mapped to enter.. but thats the only one I saw)`
`18:26.43`	`Neo\|Work`	`I'm contemplating that right now`
`18:26.46`	`George-`	`treke: well... I have version 0.0.5`
`18:27.01`	`George-`	`afk`
`18:27.03`	`Neo\|Work`	`of course, I won't use GAPIDRAW so the input code is a value which can be MATCHED to the gapi keys`
`18:27.31`	`mutexer`	`I could overload WindowProc but didnt wont too`
`18:27.38`	`warmi`	`mutexer: as far as GapiDraw - it maps into PC keyboard`
`18:27.49`	`warmi`	`cursors map into cursor keys`
`18:28.05`	`warmi`	`and other hardware keys map into Fx keys ( I think - but I am not sure)`
`18:28.32`	`mutexer`	`vkA, vkB, vkC are the ones dont know if they map into anything`
`18:29.01`	`warmi`	`well, try them :-) put some code catching one of them and just bang on your keyboard`
`18:29.08`	`warmi`	`see what comes out :-)`
`18:29.32`	`Twiun`	`Neo\|Work: btw, got that fullscreen stuff working :)`
`18:29.34`	`mutexer`	`my code isnt close to compiling.. guess I could fire up the example`
`18:29.48`	`warmi`	`mutexer: give me on sec`
`18:30.02`	`mutexer`	`dont worry`
`18:30.08`	`mutexer`	`Ill just setyp the example and try it`
`18:30.23`	`Twiun`	`Neo\|Work: just tidying up the JNI stuff atm`
`18:32.37`	`Twiun`	`~lart dougheck`
`18:34.28`	`mutexer`	`looks like they map to 1, 2, 3`
`18:35.34`	`dougheck`	`hmm`
`18:35.40`	`dougheck`	`acrobat reader on the Z?`
`18:35.42`	`mutexer`	`yep.. vkA = 1, vkB = 2, vkC = 3`
`18:36.03`	`pHluid`	`To format/prep a SD card for installing apps to it, I just need to umount, mkfs.ext2, mount it again, right? Do I need to alter the fstab table at all or anything like that?`
`18:36.27`	`warmi`	`mutexer: yeah .. there you go :-)`
`18:36.29`	`warmi`	`makes sense`
`18:36.34`	`warmi`	`it is for testing anyway`
`18:36.51`	`mutexer`	`yeah`
`18:37.17`	`dougheck`	`hmm`
`18:37.24`	`dougheck`	`can I put my apps on my CF card?`
`18:37.34`	`mutexer`	`yes`
`18:37.53`	`dougheck`	`kewl`
`18:38.21`	`mutexer`	`as long as the app your installing isnt screwed and cant install to a CF or SD`
`18:38.33`	`dougheck`	`oh`
`18:38.35`	`pHluid`	`Anybody? :) Is that all I need to do?? I can't get to openzaurus.org to read the FAQ ;[`
`18:38.39`	`mutexer`	`most apps should be able too`
`18:39.28`	`mutexer`	`do you need to convert the SD to ext2?`
`18:39.38`	`mutexer`	`my CF works fine with dos filesystem`
`18:40.23`	`pHluid`	`Well, I'm keeping my CF as fat`
`18:40.35`	`pHluid`	`So I can plop it in my card reader and move stuff around to it from Win etc`
`18:40.38`	`dougheck`	`my CF is FAT`
`18:40.41`	`dougheck`	`it needs a diet`
`18:40.44`	`pHluid`	`But I'm going to use my SD card exclusively for installing apps`
`18:40.56`	`pHluid`	`So why not ext2 it and save the occassional problem...`
`18:41.00`	`mutexer`	`mines only 64mb.. its dar from FAT`
`18:41.03`	`mutexer`	`far*`
`18:41.21`	`mutexer`	`go for it :)`
`18:41.31`	`warmi`	`mutexer: are you comfortable with the way GapiDraw work already ?`
`18:41.59`	`mutexer`	`warmi: yeah.. it actually does a lot of stuff for me already that I had to do manually in QT/ZSurface`
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`18:42.11`	`mutexer`	`as long as it runs when I get it done Ill be happy`
`18:44.32`	`warmi`	`mutexer: yeah, basically it is full deal like SDL as opposed to just graphic library ( as it is a case with ZSurface)`
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`18:44.41`	`mewyn`	`hey warmi`
`18:44.44`	`warmi`	`hi`
`18:44.50`	`HandyAndE`	`hey folks - anyone know why I would get usb interface dropping randomly when trying to access my Z?`
`18:45.19`	`warmi`	`HandyAndE: does it drop for only when accesing Z ?`
`18:45.19`	`mewyn`	`warmi: don't suppose wolak has any further news?`
`18:45.33`	`warmi`	`what I am getting at is .. perhaps your USB hardware is busted`
`18:45.45`	`HandyAndE`	`warmi I have not used usb networking before - for anything`
`18:46.04`	`HandyAndE`	`warmi but my mouse works fine ;)`
`18:46.08`	`warmi`	`mewyn: not much - the usual`
`18:46.13`	`mewyn`	`foo`
`18:46.16`	`mewyn`	`need job`
`18:46.38`	`warmi`	`HandyAndE: I don't know then .. I had a problem like that but that turned out to be busted hardware`
`18:46.48`	`CuCullin`	`brb`
`18:47.57`	`HandyAndE`	`my log has "usbdnet: bh skb: cf127900 status: -104" but that is the only clue`
`18:47.58`	`HandyAndE`	`and it wors well for a little while`
`18:50.21`	`Matthew_I\|Class`	`do I have to make my sd card ext2 to use it for apps?`
`18:52.53`	`Matthew_I\|Class`	`please /msg me the answer cause I gotta run`
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`19:00.28`	`CuCullin`	`i hate this PoS laptop`
`19:00.34`	`CuCullin`	`wont sync with my Z now`
`19:04.22`	`Com[Plex`	`who here has those hard plastic screen protectors? the non adhesive type..`
`19:04.50`	`Com[Plex`	`the kind from http://www.pdascreenprotectors.com/reviews.htm`
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`19:05.09`	`treke`	`I had some of those`
`19:05.11`	`Com[Plex`	`I juast got mine, installed one into one of my z's, and the friggin thigns foggy and spotty.`
`19:05.51`	`Com[Plex`	`its COVEREd in spots. like the two of them were scrubbed together int eh envelope duriong mailing, but the spots are on both sides`
`19:06.04`	`Com[Plex`	`they are also very foggy. im totally dissapointed.`
`19:06.16`	`Com[Plex`	`for 16$ for TWO I had expected more :(`
`19:06.19`	`treke`	`try cleaning them :)`
`19:06.32`	`Com[Plex`	`I tried. they dont come clean`
`19:06.48`	`treke`	`odd. mine were pretty clear`
`19:06.53`	`Com[Plex`	`they are either scratches, opr blemishes int he plastic`
`19:10.06`	`CuCullin`	`goddamnit, I wanted to put some mp3s on the z too`
`19:10.15`	`CuCullin`	`oh well, fuck it, I'll do it at home tonight, I suppose.`
`19:12.05`	`George-`	`I'm back`
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`19:19.58`	`pHluid`	`awesome.`
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`19:27.03`	`CodeYoddler`	`awesome.`
`19:27.35`	`dougheck`	`awesome.`
`19:28.12`	`fishy`	`awesome.`
`19:29.09`	`CodeYoddler`	`Freddie, you live in Seattle?`
`19:29.29`	`CodeYoddler`	`I can't wait until I get my Zaurus on sunday`
`19:29.35`	`Freddie`	`No, I live in Arizona`
`19:29.54`	`dougheck`	`I HAVE a Zaurus!`
`19:29.57`	`dougheck`	`and it dont work!`
`19:29.58`	`dougheck`	`:P`
`19:30.07`	`fishy`	`you broke it`
`19:30.12`	`dougheck`	`I diny`
`19:30.13`	`fishy`	`only one thing to do`
`19:30.18`	`fishy`	`send it to me`
`19:30.21`	`dougheck`	`hahaha`
`19:33.30`	`CuCullin`	`I have a Zaurus, and it wont sync`
`19:33.33`	`CuCullin`	`atleast not with this thing`
`19:33.38`	`dougheck`	`BUMMER DOOD!`
`19:33.50`	`CuCullin`	`I gotta figure out why irda stalls...`
`19:34.18`	`HandyAndE`	`can you sync it on USB?`
`19:34.47`	`HandyAndE`	`I got my zaurus 2 days ago and it is rocking my world`
`19:35.13`	`HandyAndE`	`but USB is tempramental, and serial requires a terminal so Ihave to use a windows machine to put the terminal on there...`
`19:35.28`	`sigmounte`	`hi , someone talk me about a patch to apply on my desktop computer to allow usbnet to work , where can i found it ? thanks`
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`19:36.19`	`dougheck`	`~usbnet`
`19:36.19`		`hmm... usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/`
`19:36.27`	`HandyAndE`	`http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/patches/`
`19:36.35`	`HandyAndE`	`(for usbdnet)`
`19:36.41`	`HandyAndE`	`what kernel you patching?`
`19:37.46`	`CuCullin`	`It will sync, just not with this laptop`
`19:37.51`	`CuCullin`	`this laptop is all messed up`
`19:38.06`	`CuCullin`	`I'm a beta tester for lots of companies, including MS, so this laptop has gone through hell`
`19:38.25`	`HandyAndE`	`lol ok`
`19:38.42`	`CuCullin`	`its about time to format, but I'm waiting for a new version to come in of our accounting software, which is when I'll be handing this laptop off to the new bookkeeper, and getting another laptop`
`19:39.00`	`CuCullin`	`not a new one, just a better one :) From a 900mhz w/ 256mb ram to 1.1ghz with 512mb ram`
`19:39.49`	`mutexer`	`warmi: you still here?`
`19:40.04`	`HandyAndE`	`using http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/ I get: SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device :(`
`19:40.17`	`CuCullin`	`still pales by comparison to the 2.4 at home, but work is too cheap to get me something better... that and the economy sucks atm.`
`19:40.32`	`warmi`	`yeah`
`19:40.37`	`HandyAndE`	`:(`
`19:40.48`	`treke`	`a 1.1 is still a pretty fast machine for most uses`
`19:41.04`	`mutexer`	`you know how on the front of a PPC you have key key directionalpad key key .. do you know which key is start, A, B, C ?`
`19:42.01`	`warmi`	`I think start is the key in the middle of directional pad and the other keys I don't know - I think it goes from left to right though`
`19:42.13`	`Freddie`	`mutexer: Is this a linux ppc device?`
`19:42.14`	`CuCullin`	`treke, not for CAM`
`19:42.21`	`mutexer`	`I dont have one in the middle of the directional pad`
`19:42.26`	`treke`	`CuCullin: CAM isnt most uses :)`
`19:42.30`	`mutexer`	`just the pad and 4 other keys`
`19:42.32`	`CuCullin`	`:)`
`19:42.35`	`mutexer`	`Freddie: no`
`19:42.53`	`Freddie`	`ahh, was just curious`
`19:42.53`	`Freddie`	`:)`
`19:43.06`	`Freddie`	`mutexer: Just a word of advice`
`19:43.08`	`mutexer`	`there is only vkStart vkA vkB vkC... so they all have to map to my 4 buttons`
`19:43.13`	`Freddie`	`TONS of people have older ipaq devices`
`19:43.24`	`Freddie`	`that cannot handle multiple simultaneous buttonpresses`
`19:43.32`	`Freddie`	`so you may want to consider on screen buttons`
`19:43.38`	`mutexer`	`my game wont run on anyghing other than PPC2002`
`19:43.40`	`Freddie`	`at least as a possibility`
`19:43.50`	`treke`	`you can run ppc2002 on older ipaqs`
`19:43.50`	`Freddie`	`right`
`19:43.54`	`mutexer`	`the game would be impossible to play with on screen`
`19:43.55`	`HandyAndE`	`where have folk got working usbnet patches???`
`19:43.57`	`Freddie`	`and ppc2002 runs on the older ipaqs`
`19:45.04`	`mutexer`	`it plays like super mario bros.. could you imagine having to click the buttons on screen for that?`
`19:45.19`	`Freddie`	`I never played smb`
`19:45.23`	`Freddie`	`so no`
`19:45.24`	`Freddie`	`I can't`
`19:45.24`	`Freddie`	`:)`
`19:45.31`	`mutexer`	`did you play sonic?`
`19:45.40`	`mutexer`	`or anyother 2d scrolling action game`
`19:45.41`	`Freddie`	`nope`
`19:45.51`	`treke`	`mutexer: maybe. click to the right of the character to move right. click to the left ot move left`
`19:45.52`	`Freddie`	`I played choplifter`
`19:45.54`	`treke`	`click above to jump`
`19:45.57`	`CuCullin`	`treke, I work (during the day) at a cabinetry company, designing kitchens and doing 3d high-color very detailed renderings. Doesn't work well on a simple 900mhz laptop. I could use a better printer, too... a plotter would be a much better choice than a deskjet 1220c`
`19:46.14`	`treke`	`CuCullin: yup. Speed is important some places :)`
`19:46.22`	`mutexer`	`what do you mean by it swont handle two buttosn pressed at the same time?`
`19:46.35`	`treke`	`mutexer: it cant read that two buttons where pressed`
`19:46.43`	`mutexer`	`if I hold down left.. and then press one of the other buttons.. that button wont register? or they wont register at the same time?`
`19:46.43`	`treke`	`only one will register ( if any do)`
`19:46.51`	`warmi`	`mutexer: yeah.. old ipaqs simply can't - hardware limitation`
`19:46.53`	`treke`	`the second button wont register`
`19:46.59`	`CuCullin`	`nod Thats why I bought the P4 2.4ghz at home, and put a gf4 ti4200 in it, w/1gb ram`
`19:47.03`	`warmi`	`I basically ignore that market :-)`
`19:47.08`	`mutexer`	`do you know how old these ipaqs are?`
`19:47.12`	`warmi`	`too much of a problem for certain class of games`
`19:47.13`	`CuCullin`	`I also do graphic design on the side, so I kind of need the power`
`19:47.15`	`treke`	`mutexer: the 3100-3700`
`19:47.16`	`mutexer`	`I guess Ill have to ignore them too`
`19:47.21`	`treke`	`the 3800 they fixed it`
`19:47.32`	`mutexer`	`so anything before 3800`
`19:47.33`	`CuCullin`	`(which is actually the reason I bought the Z... to manage my clientele)`
`19:47.34`	`warmi`	`mutexer: http://forums.pocketmatrix.com/viewtopic.php?t=10744`
`19:47.44`	`CuCullin`	`oh, anyone play drugwars? I found a bug :)`
`19:48.25`	`warmi`	`starting with 3635 ipaqs are able to handle multiple keystrokes at the same time`
`19:48.38`	`treke`	`warmi: ? It didnt get fixed til the 3800`
`19:48.58`	`warmi`	`well, the guy on that forum claims that 3635 works fine`
`19:49.32`	`Neo\|Work`	`mutexer: "This application enables the 5-Way Navigation feature of the center navigator button."`
`19:49.41`	`Neo\|Work`	`available from downloads in dell's site (support)`
`19:50.48`	`treke`	`You actually could detect multiple keys if you used the record key and power button.`
`19:50.54`	`treke`	`the others got grouped together`
`19:51.06`	`mutexer`	`Neo\|Work: There is a button there then?`
`19:51.11`	`mutexer`	`didnt look like one`
`19:51.12`	`Neo\|Work`	`mutexer: yes`
`19:51.18`	`Neo\|Work`	`or at least they handle it as such if you install that patch`
`19:51.26`	`Neo\|Work`	`i.e all 4 directions at once => middle button`
`19:51.27`	`Neo\|Work`	`not sure`
`19:51.28`	`mutexer`	`warmi: any idea how old the ipaq 3800 is?`
`19:51.45`	`Neo\|Work`	`as a FYI, the zaurus dpad is awesome`
`19:51.47`	`treke`	`mutexer: its a year old or so?`
`19:51.57`	`Neo\|Work`	`better than the dell one an way better than the SL-A300 one :)`
`19:52.17`	`mutexer`	`yeah the dell dpad sucks`
`19:52.28`	`mutexer`	`my thumb is too large for it`
`19:52.57`	`treke`	`mutexer: its the last Strong Arm based model`
`19:53.26`	`mutexer`	`the 3800 is?`
`19:53.29`	`treke`	`yes`
`19:53.37`	`mutexer`	`so all xscale based ones work?`
`19:53.44`	`treke`	`dunno`
`19:53.56`	`treke`	`I've never used the xscale ipaqs`
`19:54.55`	`warmi`	`mutexer: yeah of course`
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`19:56.27`	`omooreonzaurus`	`what's the dell dpad?`
`19:56.37`	`omooreonzaurus`	`comare to the axim? (which blows)`
`19:56.50`	`warmi`	`yeah, it apears that treke was correct`
`19:56.58`	`HandyAndE`	`argh!!! usbnet will not detect the Z on my machine`
`19:57.02`	`omooreonzaurus`	`nothing touches the Zaurus or iPaq for power`
`19:57.10`	`omooreonzaurus`	`imho`
`19:57.12`	`warmi`	`3800 was the first model with multiple press issue fixed`
`19:57.16`	`omooreonzaurus`	`well. in the pda world anyway`
`19:57.31`	`treke`	`you never know with compaq`
`19:57.46`	`treke`	`their engineers are usually smoking something substantial`
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`19:58.07`	`omooreonzaurus`	`anyone know if there issomething for the zaurus like the portable power/cradle thingy for the iPaq?`
`19:58.17`	`digitalnick`	`what wireless card do you reccomend if im using openzaurus?`
`19:58.25`	`omooreonzaurus`	`i've used two...`
`19:58.27`	`mutexer`	`did this just affect ipaqs?`
`19:58.30`	`mutexer`	`or all PDAs?`
`19:58.41`	`omooreonzaurus`	`thelinksys cv card and ambicom card.. they both work great...`
`19:58.46`	`treke`	`the ipaq is the only pda that I know of with this problem`
`19:58.51`	`omooreonzaurus`	`tho the linksys cf car runs fairly warm`
`19:58.57`	`digitalnick`	`ok thanks`
`19:59.05`	`omooreonzaurus`	`the ambicom card is sweet visually`
`19:59.12`	`mutexer`	`damn compaq.. and here I thought they were different with their PDAs`
`19:59.17`	`omooreonzaurus`	`i think i have a snapshot available.. of both..`
`19:59.26`	`omooreonzaurus`	`for a past request (on my website) .. one moment`
`20:00.30`	`ljp_work`	`well, if you love it so much, why not marry it?`
`20:02.09`	`ljp_work`	`well?!?`
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`20:02.48`	`omooreonzaurus`	`http://www.okmoore.com/zaurus_nics.jpg`
`20:03.04`	`omooreonzaurus`	`there you are digitalnic`
`20:03.17`	`fishy`	`holy crap`
`20:03.56`	`digitalnick`	`which one is which?`
`20:04.07`	`omooreonzaurus`	`digitalnic... the right one is a 5500 with the ambicom, the left is the 5600 with a linksys`
`20:04.08`	`digitalnick`	`linksys on the left`
`20:04.17`	`digitalnick`	`cool thanks`
`20:04.17`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: the one in the middle is?`
`20:04.20`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: a 5000D?`
`20:04.24`	`omooreonzaurus`	`welll.. yeha`
`20:04.29`	`omooreonzaurus`	`no`
`20:04.29`	`omooreonzaurus`	`5600`
`20:04.33`	`George-`	`oh`
`20:04.40`	`George-`	`the 5600 has a clear screen cover?`
`20:04.47`	`omooreonzaurus`	`from (clipped) left to right..`
`20:04.51`	`omooreonzaurus`	`5600, 5600, 5500`
`20:04.56`	`omooreonzaurus`	`yeah..it rocks`
`20:05.05`	`omooreonzaurus`	`you only have to lift it when you want to tap the screen`
`20:05.18`	`omooreonzaurus`	`and it's more durable`
`20:05.19`	`mutexer`	`I might do the click around thing then if the ipaq 3100-3700 are a big market`
`20:05.52`	`George-`	`omooreonzaurus: what's more durable?`
`20:05.58`	`omooreonzaurus`	`the cover`
`20:06.03`	`George-`	`how?`
`20:06.18`	`omooreonzaurus`	`just feels better quality wise`
`20:06.20`	`Neo\|Work`	`i'd say >= 3600 isn't rare`
`20:06.30`	`omooreonzaurus`	`objective opinion, not subjective`
`20:06.30`	`Neo\|Work`	`3100 I wouldn't bother with - that isn't even color is it?`
`20:06.45`	`treke`	`3100 market isnt going to be there for you`
`20:06.48`	`mutexer`	`if its not a 16bit display Im not messing with it`
`20:06.58`	`treke`	`its only 16mb of ram, and a grayscale display`
`20:07.03`	`Neo\|Work`	`3600 isn't 16 bit. :)`
`20:07.05`	`Neo\|Work`	`it's 12 bit`
`20:07.05`	`omooreonzaurus`	`digitalnic... when considering a nic...`
`20:07.08`	`treke`	`the 3600 and 3700 are 12 bit`
`20:07.11`	`Neo\|Work`	`of course from your perspective it's 16 bit`
`20:07.12`	`ljp_work`	`what if its a 31 bit display`
`20:07.15`	`mutexer`	`hrmm`
`20:07.18`	`George-`	`ljp_work: haha`
`20:07.32`	`Neo\|Work`	`mutexer: your code is the same but the end result might look worse since it's actually 12 bit`
`20:07.40`	`George-`	`doesn't the S/390 have a 31-bit CPU?`
`20:07.40`	`omooreonzaurus`	`digitalnic... consider the size of the head.. some have a big fat head.. which can actually cover the stylus! (had to return my first dlink cf nic due to that)`
`20:08.10`	`mutexer`	`so all 16bit displays have the fixed hardware key problem?`
`20:09.46`	`treke`	`the thing with older ipaqs is they where 500 bucks a pop, so they tend to stick around for a while :)`
`20:11.12`	`George-`	`http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3019024188&category=3728`
`20:11.13`	`George-`	`rofl`
`20:11.16`	`George-`	`"OPIE Linux"`
`20:11.17`	`George-`	`haha`
`20:11.30`	`ljp_work`	`opielook/feed?`
`20:11.36`	`ljp_work`	`whoopd`
`20:13.06`	`George-`	`CuCullin: rofl`
`20:13.45`	`cynTop`	`omooreonzaurus: about "portable power/cradle thingy for the iPaq" I've heard that the one for the ipaq works fine with the zaurus`
`20:14.10`	`cynTop`	`I would find someone with it and check the stats and size personally, before buying one, tho :)`
`20:14.25`	`Matthew_I`	`opera 7 beta for linux is here, and it is great`
`20:14.56`	`Matthew_I`	`is there a cord for the z that does the same thing the cradle does but just plugs straight into the pda?`
`20:15.12`	`omooreonzaurus`	`yes`
`20:15.34`	`cynTop`	`sweet opera 7 linux`
`20:15.37`	`cynTop`	`gotta grab that`
`20:15.41`	`cynTop`	`thx for heads up`
`20:18.26`	`Matthew_I`	`omooreonzaurus: from where`
`20:18.55`	`ljp_work`	`opera.com`
`20:19.01`	`Matthew_I`	`cynTop: no prob, switched to moz when all we had was o6.10 and the win folks had 7, but now im going back home`
`20:19.23`	`Matthew_I`	`ljp_work: I made the announcement, I know where to get it, im talking about the cord for the z`
`20:19.25`	`cynTop`	`yeah mozilla looks slick but I don't like its tabs as much`
`20:19.39`	`Matthew_I`	`yea opera can save your position, which is great`
`20:20.33`	`ljp_work`	`heh oh`
`20:26.47`	`Matthew_I`	`I see opie sheet, but is there any hancom word like app?`
`20:26.53`	`George-`	`opie-write`
`20:27.29`	`treke`	`Matthew_I: use hancom word`
`20:27.31`	`Matthew_I`	`presenter?`
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`20:27.40`	`Matthew_I`	`I am having trouble getting them`
`20:27.42`	`treke`	`just use hancom`
`20:27.45`	`Matthew_I`	`treke: or I would`
`20:28.08`	`treke`	`run the script from ZSI to get the packages`
`20:28.10`	`Matthew_I`	`treke: there are no ipkgs, and I don't yet know what to change in the postinst`
`20:28.28`	`Matthew_I`	`treke: but I am already running oz`
`20:28.45`	`treke`	`then reflash to sharp rom and get them`
`20:28.56`	`Matthew_I`	`hmmm...`
`20:29.02`	`Matthew_I`	`I guess I could...`
`20:29.02`	`Neo\|Work`	`My brother works on Opera for Linux these days`
`20:29.07`	`treke`	`refer to the faq`
`20:29.09`	`Matthew_I`	`sweet`
`20:29.25`	`Matthew_I`	`treke: you don't have any spare ikpg's lying around?`
`20:29.33`	`treke`	`Matthew_I: no`
`20:30.42`	`treke`	`the faq even shows you how to get packages without reflashing`
`20:31.12`	`Matthew_I`	`treke: that is what I am trying to do, I am at the edit postinst part`
`20:31.24`	`treke`	`then try one of the other options`
`20:31.29`	`treke`	`try the romripper script`
`20:31.48`	`Matthew_I`	`where can I find a tute to tell me how to get my z on the net (ipmasq tute)`
`20:32.31`	`Matthew_I`	`he he, it says do one of the following,`
`20:32.36`	`Matthew_I`	`i was about to do them all`
`20:32.41`	`Matthew_I`	`thanks a bunch treke`
`20:33.57`	`George-`	`kergoth: does the C700 have a Japanese keyboard?`
`20:34.22`	`cynTop`	`it's qwerty`
`20:34.37`	`cynTop`	`with some dedicated keys to (i assume) do some manner of japanese input`
`20:35.44`	`George-`	`i see`
`20:40.01`	`George-`	`why does the new calculator icon look totally retarded?`
`20:41.10`	`fishy`	`it isnt the spoon that bends`
`20:41.19`	`fishy`	`it is you that bends`
`20:41.35`	`fishy`	`meaning: its not the calc icon that looks retarded`
`20:41.39`	`fishy`	`its you ;)`
`20:41.43`	`fishy`	`JK`
`20:41.48`	`HandyAndE`	`anyone know if CDCEther.o works???`
`20:42.51`	`kergoth`	`no.`
`20:42.55`	`kergoth`	`it doesnt.`
`20:43.18`	`warmi`	`man . the 5600 is costs $579.38 at CDW`
`20:43.22`	`warmi`	`that's just insane`
`20:43.48`	`kergoth`	`heh, uhm, thats what the 5500 went for when it came out ;)`
`20:43.52`	`warmi`	`the 5600 costs $579.38 at CDW , that is`
`20:43.56`	`ljp_work`	`George-: you still have that link about that freak in #debian`
`20:44.01`	`ljp_work`	`?`
`20:44.16`	`warmi`	`http://rikkus.info/bfinn.html`
`20:44.20`	`HandyAndE`	`kergoth what module can I use, none work :(`
`20:44.38`	`George-`	`ljp_work: rikkus.info`
`20:45.07`	`George-`	`ljp_work: why?`
`20:45.21`	`Neo\|Work`	`THE QUACK!`
`20:45.31`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: hehe`
`20:45.47`	`Matthew_I`	`the hancom creator is failing`
`20:45.57`	`warmi`	`yeah, this stuff is pretty funny`
`20:46.08`	`George-`	`<bfinn> ALL FOR ME TO WANT TO THIS IS!! IF NO TO GET ME SISTER MAKE TO BAD TIME!! SHE TIE TO ME TO UP, AND HAVE TO BAD WAY FOR ME!!`
`20:47.54`	`George-`	`bfinn comes from a pretty fucked up family :)`
`20:48.27`	`Neo\|Work`	`hah, lol`
`20:48.31`	`ljp_work`	`that you probably`
`20:48.37`	`Neo\|Work`	`and I wonder what native language he really had`
`20:48.46`	`ljp_work`	`english`
`20:48.51`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: english.`
`20:48.53`	`Matthew_I`	`HandyAndE: ill help you me and kergoth just went through this and I doubt he wants to do it again`
`20:49.02`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: notice the number of proxies he had ready to evade bans?`
`20:49.04`	`Matthew_I`	`HandyAndE: you need to upgrade your kernel`
`20:49.10`	`HandyAndE`	`to?...`
`20:49.15`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: he obviously planned to gatecrash #Debian, and evade tons of bans ;)`
`20:49.15`	`HandyAndE`	`(thanks for helping btw)`
`20:49.18`	`Matthew_I`	`HandyAndE: to 2.4.21pre somethign`
`20:49.35`	`HandyAndE`	`how about gs-sources-2.4.21-pre7`
`20:50.18`	`Matthew_I`	`HandyAndE: ?? don't know what that is but try it`
`20:50.19`	`Neo\|Work`	`still funny`
`20:50.28`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: I know ;)`
`20:50.30`	`HandyAndE`	`sorry, it is a 2.4.21 kernel`
`20:50.32`	`Matthew_I`	`HandyAndE: edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist to include CDCEther`
`20:50.55`	`Matthew_I`	`HandyAndE: that should work, the usbnet driver will take over from there`
`20:51.14`	`HandyAndE`	`hmm, so usbnet in 21 has support for the 5500`
`20:51.18`	`Matthew_I`	`correct`
`20:51.52`	`HandyAndE`	`right - looking forward to being able to party ;)`
`20:51.57`	`George-`	`HandyAndE: well, not just the 5500...`
`20:52.16`	`HandyAndE`	`lol - clearly ;)`
`20:53.52`	`Neo\|Work`	`PLANETQUACK!`
`20:53.59`	`Neo\|Work`	`someone, quick make that site`
`20:54.07`	`dougheck`	`lol`
`20:54.26`	`treke`	`I TO SNEAK PAST BUN!`
`20:55.33`	`George-`	`http://homepage.freeuk.com/eric.wright/pict0280.jpg`
`20:55.37`	`George-`	`LIke the penguin? :)`
`20:55.51`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: haha`
`20:59.56`	`ljp_work`	`no.`
`21:11.16`	`Neo\|Work`	`oh, ppl, vote for my games on the Zaurus for the handango awards! :)`
`21:12.24`	`treke`	`where do we vote? :)`
`21:13.12`	`ljp_work`	`no! vote for my apps!`
`21:13.39`	`treke`	`now the question is, what game do I vote for :)`
`21:13.41`	`mutexer`	`no! go buy my Apps!`
`21:14.11`	`ljp_work`	`ehhh, games suck`
`21:14.21`	`ljp_work`	`all you can do is play them`
`21:14.26`	`treke`	`ljp_work: so do your apps :)`
`21:15.03`	`treke`	`ok. strategic assault gets the gold`
`21:15.24`	`ljp_work`	`ibot: treke is goon`
`21:15.25`		`...but treke is already something else...`
`21:15.34`	`ljp_work`	`ibot: treke is also a goon`
`21:15.34`		`okay, ljp_work`
`21:15.38`	`treke`	`ibot, treke?`
`21:15.39`		`extra, extra, read all about it, treke is Greg Gilbert <greg@treke.net>, or a goon`
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`21:18.39`	`ljp_work`	`see, ibot agrees with me`
`21:18.49`	`ljp_work`	`ibot: ljp`
`21:18.49`		`from memory, ljp is currently an earthling from the planet Mergatroid or http://llornkcor.com`
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`21:19.53`	`Neo\|Work`	`and the best tool is of course flip it. hehe`
`21:19.59`	`Neo\|Work`	`or not`
`21:20.36`	`ljp_work`	`flip it?`
`21:23.06`	`Matthew_I`	`my rippied opera has no icons`
`21:24.18`	`Matthew_I`	`also opera dose not expand in landscape mode`
`21:24.23`	`Freddie`	`anyone here know how a stock Z marks an app as being fast loadable?`
`21:24.47`	`Matthew_I`	`preloads it into ram`
`21:24.50`	`ljp_work`	`in the desktop file`
`21:24.50`	`Matthew_I`	`oh`
`21:25.03`	`Matthew_I`	`hold down the stylus on it`
`21:25.04`	`Freddie`	`no I mean`
`21:25.15`	`Freddie`	`the desktop file seems to have a "CanFastload = 1" on OZ`
`21:25.19`	`Freddie`	`is it the same for stock Z?`
`21:25.36`	`*** join/#zaurus warmi (~a3c01504@dsl092-131-081.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net)`
`21:25.47`	`*** join/#zaurus absentia (~scott@ip216-179-64-58.cust.bestweb.net)`
`21:26.56`	`Freddie`	`and does the order of the entries in the desktop file matter?`
`21:27.23`	`Matthew_I`	`is there a specfic ram image you need to rip from with the creator script?`
`21:28.23`	`George-`	`is it possible to tunnel ssh over a proxy server on port 80? :P`
`21:28.28`	`*** join/#zaurus Zxcvb (~msmustdie@ilchtn67.one-eleven.net)`
`21:28.44`	`phoen][x`	`George-: not really. port 443 is possible though.`
`21:28.51`	`George-`	`damn`
`21:28.52`	`phoen][x`	`is it open?`
`21:28.53`	`George-`	`I need port 80`
`21:28.54`	`absentia`	`sure`
`21:29.02`	`George-`	`open?`
`21:29.05`	`absentia`	`hey phoen][x`
`21:29.07`	`phoen][x`	`most proxies allow port 443 because its https`
`21:29.14`	`George-`	`no`
`21:29.16`	`George-`	`https is blocked`
`21:29.23`	`phoen][x`	`George-: damn :/`
`21:29.26`	`phoen][x`	`lo absentia`
`21:29.47`	`absentia`	`what's the difference between #Zaurus and #OpenZaurus on this irc?`
`21:29.54`	`Matthew_I`	`does any one know why my opera has no icons?`
`21:30.09`	`phoen][x`	`Matthew_I: because you forgot to copy over the icons`
`21:30.28`	`phoen][x`	`strace opera and you'll know where to place them`
`21:30.33`	`_Psycho_`	`#Zaurus is general chat, for any OS, UI etc, openzaurus is os specific, (so is openembedded, more developper oriented)`
`21:30.37`	`yeiazel`	`absentia: #zaurus is about the zaurus, #openzaurus (and now #openembedded) is (are) about the OpenZaurus/OpenEmbedded project`
`21:30.48`	`absentia`	`thx`
`21:31.01`	`absentia`	`OZ has been jumping on my case all day.`
`21:31.05`	`phoen][x`	`#openzaurus is where we came from, no?`
`21:31.28`	`phoen][x`	`they evil ops through us outta there ;)`
`21:31.44`	`absentia`	`no ops now....`
`21:31.51`	`absentia`	`they probably would have booted me already`
`21:33.38`	`noidd`	`nah, we only boot people whose nick begin with the letter G`
`21:33.42`	`Matthew_I`	`phoen][x: I used the ipkripper....sh script, and it did not work for hancom`
`21:33.44`	`noidd`	`and end in eorge-`
`21:33.46`	`absentia`	`ok, lets see 'bout this wireless.`
`21:34.51`	`phoen][x`	`Matthew_I: i had the same problem so i ran 'strace opera', noted me the directory where it searched for those icons and copied them over.`
`21:36.38`	`George-`	`noidd: you bastard :P`
`21:37.09`	`absentia`	`how's freeciv/ openciv coming for the zaurus ?`
`21:39.32`	`CuCullin`	`0.0.5 iirc`
`21:39.52`	`Zxcvb`	`how do you change the default install location in OZ 3.2`
`21:40.07`	`warmi`	`is anyone still working on this project ?`
`21:40.19`	`CuCullin`	`I have no clue`
`21:40.33`	`absentia`	`are keyclicks supposed to make any noise on a c700 with OZ 3.3.1 ?`
`21:40.44`	`cynTop`	`warmi: what project`
`21:40.45`	`absentia`	`er, screen taps? I have it set on, full volume.. etc.`
`21:40.47`	`CuCullin`	`but what I do know is, I have to leave soon and go to compusa... gotta pick up some stuff for the gf, too`
`21:40.56`	`Zxcvb`	`there is no OZ 3.1.1`
`21:40.59`	`warmi`	`Freeciv`
`21:41.02`	`absentia`	`3.3.1`
`21:41.09`	`cynTop`	`Zxcvb: the oz on c700 reports as 3.3.1 apparently`
`21:41.21`	`absentia`	`hey cyn`
`21:41.22`	`_Psycho_`	`yeah i think this was not wanted hehe`
`21:41.22`	`cynTop`	`prolly because it won't be official until 3.3 :P`
`21:41.31`	`_Psycho_`	`yes it report as 3.3.1 on ker image`
`21:41.35`	`cynTop`	`hi absentia`
`21:41.42`	`Zxcvb`	`OZ or opie?`
`21:41.57`	`_Psycho_`	`absentia doesnt work here (kerclicks)`
`21:41.57`	`absentia`	`OZ`
`21:42.03`	`absentia`	`ok, good.`
`21:42.15`	`_Psycho_`	`btw im building a new image atm, i hope i can get it up tonight with rotation, suspend, and network fixes that kergoth did`
`21:42.18`	`absentia`	`just trying to get down what I should expct to work and what isn't there yet`
`21:42.19`	`_Psycho_`	`and others stuff`
`21:42.19`	`absentia`	`:-)`
`21:42.21`	`George-`	`warmi: I'm going to have a crack at sorting out FreeCiv`
`21:42.28`	`George-`	`warmi: Civ is my favourite game of all time :)`
`21:42.33`	`phoen][x`	`absentia: keyclicks is the first thing i usually disable`
`21:42.33`	`absentia`	`ya`
`21:42.38`	`absentia`	`need to get it on the device`
`21:42.41`	`cynTop`	`I've not tried sound under oz`
`21:42.41`	`cynTop`	`does it work absentia`
`21:42.49`	`phoen][x`	`absentia: so you better thank oz that they dont work :)`
`21:42.52`	`_Psycho_`	`mplayer work for mp3 cyntop`
`21:42.53`	`kergoth`	`George-: i see cvs commits to the freeciv in opie-bigapps occasionally..`
`21:42.59`	`Zxcvb`	`is it possible to change the default install location in aqpkg?`
`21:43.03`	`George-`	`kergoth: hrmm`
`21:43.04`	`warmi`	`yeah, I used to play civ a lot .. not anymore though .. there are much better games available these days`
`21:43.09`	`cynTop`	`freeciv needs a 600 deep screen`
`21:43.14`	`George-`	`warmi: nothing's better than Civ! :)`
`21:43.17`	`cynTop`	`they musta tweaked it for opie :P`
`21:43.19`	`kergoth`	`Zxcvb: the last location you selected should be retained as default.. if not, open a bug report`
`21:43.20`	`George-`	`warmi: I have CivCTP for linux, it totally rocks :)`
`21:43.21`	`absentia`	`thank'm for not working? how so ?`
`21:43.30`	`treke`	`George-: go buy smac`
`21:43.36`	`George-`	`smac?`
`21:43.38`	`absentia`	`600 deep screen?`
`21:43.46`	`treke`	`George-: Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri`
`21:43.53`	`George-`	`treke: ahh`
`21:43.59`	`George-`	`treke: I'm saving up for civ3`
`21:44.08`	`George-`	`cynTop: they have a completely different interface for Opie`
`21:44.09`	`cynTop`	`I couldn't play freeciv on my libretty because it scrolled past the 480 depth - i said they musta tweaked it for opie`
`21:44.10`	`cynTop`	`yea`
`21:44.17`	`Zxcvb`	`kergoth: ah, the FAQ said it was in the config dialog`
`21:44.25`	`kergoth`	`Zxcvb: not there anymore?`
`21:44.29`	`treke`	`George-: Get smac. :)`
`21:44.34`	`kergoth`	`Zxcvb: drw did a number of UI changes, could be it got yanked`
`21:44.43`	`George-`	`cynTop: FreeCiv (client) consists of the frontend and the backend from what I can tell. There are several different front ends ;)`
`21:45.01`	`cynTop`	`coolies`
`21:45.09`	`cynTop`	`anyone actually play it, like, does it have ai to play against?`
`21:45.15`	`Zxcvb`	`kergoth: no, it's just the last selected location`
`21:45.44`	`George-`	`treke: heh`
`21:45.44`	`kergoth`	`Zxcvb: ah. which faq? guess it needs updating`
`21:45.48`	`George-`	`treke: what's so good about smac?`
`21:46.05`	`Zxcvb`	`kergoth: the OZ one`
`21:46.14`	`kergoth`	`Zxcvb: ..`
`21:46.19`	`kergoth`	`Zxcvb: OZ has hundreds of faqs`
`21:46.33`	`kergoth`	`bah fine i'll go search myself`
`21:46.37`	`kergoth`	`just thought you may have the # offhand`
`21:46.43`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`21:46.48`	`Zxcvb`	`kergoth: openzaurus.org`
`21:46.58`	`kergoth`	`Zxcvb: i know what my site is, thanks.`
`21:47.02`	`absentia`	`has anyone else noticed that cardmgr doesn't seem to see card inserts ?`
`21:47.06`	`Zxcvb`	`kergoth: how do I make OZ work like the crow rom`
`21:47.08`	`absentia`	`I have to insert a card twice for it to see the card`
`21:47.14`	`kergoth`	`Zxcvb: k, thanks.`
`21:47.20`	`absentia`	`even then, it doesn't seem to configure the card.`
`21:47.24`	`kergoth`	`absentia: it picks it up fine here`
`21:47.29`	`kergoth`	`absentia: both for wireless and ide`
`21:47.34`	`absentia`	`kergoth: doesn't surprise me`
`21:47.36`	`Zxcvb`	`kergoth: there are a couple others like it (run completely from sd)`
`21:47.38`	`absentia`	`btw: computers hate me.`
`21:47.44`	`kergoth`	`absentia: start syslog .. /etc/init.d/syslog start`
`21:47.48`	`kergoth`	`absentia: check logread`
`21:47.49`	`absentia`	`ya`
`21:47.51`	`*** join/#zaurus pagan (~pagan@64-205-168-215.client.dsl.net)`
`21:47.54`	`kergoth`	`absentia: see if cardmgr sees the insert event`
`21:48.10`	`Neo\|Work`	`George-: SMAC beats Civ3 any day in terms of fun fun fun`
`21:48.16`	`pagan`	`Hey, can someone e-mail me my /etc/ipkg.conf`
`21:48.18`	`Neo\|Work`	`if you want dull and boring, sure go for Civ3`
`21:48.20`	`pagan`	`er`
`21:48.25`	`treke`	`George-: SMAC is sort of the real sequal to Civilization 2 :)`
`21:48.26`	`kergoth`	`pagan: i dont have your ipkg.conf :)`
`21:48.27`	`pagan`	`a /etc/ipkg.conf`
`21:48.34`	`pagan`	`^`
`21:48.38`	`absentia`	`heheh`
`21:48.42`	`absentia`	`can't type a /, kergoth`
`21:48.45`	`Neo\|Work`	`and a much better sequel than Civ3 or CivCTP imho`
`21:48.47`	`absentia`	`have to pull up the keyboard`
`21:48.53`	`kergoth`	`absentia: yeah i know, its annoying`
`21:49.02`	`treke`	`plus unlike Civ3, it runs on linux :)`
`21:49.15`	`Neo\|Work`	`if you get a warez copy`
`21:49.19`	`George-`	`treke: what does it have that civ doesn't have?`
`21:49.21`	`Neo\|Work`	`it's no longer buyable`
`21:49.26`	`George-`	`treke: and does it run on Linux PPC?`
`21:49.30`	`Neo\|Work`	`but that's ok, a wares copy should be easy to find`
`21:49.35`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: hahaha`
`21:49.56`	`Zxcvb`	`too bad qemu (that is Q, as in quick) isn't available for ARM yet`
`21:50.03`	`kergoth`	`man, this having to actually do work sucks`
`21:50.12`	`dougheck`	`Zxcvb: patches welcome`
`21:50.14`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: uhh, yes it is`
`21:50.15`	`kergoth`	`my boss is putting up individual stats now, so everybody knows i'm slackin`
`21:50.17`	`kergoth`	`:\`
`21:50.25`	`dougheck`	`lol`
`21:50.27`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: when was ARM support added?`
`21:50.34`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: ages ago I think`
`21:50.34`	`Neo\|Work`	`George-: yes, it does`
`21:50.40`	`Neo\|Work`	`PPC that is`
`21:50.44`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: I know it has x86, PPC, and s/390 support`
`21:50.45`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: nifty :)`
`21:50.46`	`Neo\|Work`	`and alpha too`
`21:50.57`	`George-`	`afk`
`21:50.58`	`dougheck`	`hm`
`21:51.28`	`absentia`	`we need a logread pipe`
`21:51.29`	`absentia`	`or tail -f`
`21:51.32`	`kergoth`	`absentia: agreed`
`21:51.35`	`dougheck`	`kergoth: can you tell me if those solder pads beside the battery are the JTAG connections? just curios`
`21:51.45`	`kergoth`	`dougheck: afaik they arent`
`21:51.52`	`dougheck`	`ah`
`21:51.54`	`dougheck`	`k`
`21:51.58`	`dougheck`	`what are they then?`
`21:52.02`	`George-`	`dougheck: the jtag connections are in the Sharp IO port, how many more times do I have to tell you?`
`21:52.15`	`dougheck`	`George-: yea, but I was wondering what those are`
`21:52.25`	`dougheck`	`George-: thats only the 2nd time too :)`
`21:52.43`	`kergoth`	`dougheck: dont know offhand what they are, i'd have to check my docs`
`21:52.46`	`kergoth`	`which arent at work`
`21:52.47`	`absentia`	`ok, the network config just has bring up automatically, I've deselected that..`
`21:52.50`	`dougheck`	`ah`
`21:52.52`	`absentia`	`and use dhcp, which is selected..`
`21:52.54`	`dougheck`	`ok`
`21:52.57`	`absentia`	`but an ip doesn't get set.`
`21:53.23`	`absentia`	`my pc is set to infrastructure mode... is there an iwconfig mode infrastructure?`
`21:53.37`	`kergoth`	`mode Master`
`21:53.43`	`kergoth`	`on the iwconfig line`
`21:53.57`	`kergoth`	`my revamped wireless config in networksettings will be more clear.. but i need to update the feed`
`21:54.54`	`absentia`	`kergoth: let meknow if there is anything I can do help you with the work.`
`21:55.08`	`Neo\|Work`	`If none of my games end up in the handango top-3 I'll be very surprised, mainly because I have so many games and they are of rather high quality. :P`
`21:55.13`	`kergoth`	`absentia: the source is available :)`
`21:55.21`	`absentia`	`heheh`
`21:55.23`	`kergoth`	`absentia: as is the todo. if you feel up to it, just grab one and implement`
`21:55.24`	`absentia`	`ya, ya, getting there.`
`21:55.29`	`absentia`	`ok.`
`21:56.42`	`Zxcvb`	`Neo\|Work: how is konqueror development going?`
`21:57.59`	`Neo\|Work`	`Zxcvb: I have no idea, nor do I care. Should I? :P`
`21:58.12`	`George-`	`lol`
`21:58.21`	`George-`	`what's Neo got to do with Konqueror?`
`21:58.21`	`George-`	`:P`
`21:58.29`	`kergoth`	`god i hate this "doing my job" thing`
`21:58.40`	`Zxcvb`	`sorry, wrong person`
`21:58.42`	`dougheck`	`quit`
`21:58.48`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: you want tronical :P`
`21:58.57`	`Zxcvb`	`yeah`
`21:59.17`	`Zxcvb`	`are there any SDL packages with X11 support as well as opie?`
`21:59.37`	`dougheck`	`kergoth: what do you do?`
`21:59.41`	`Neo\|Work`	`I don't package. :)`
`21:59.45`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: haha`
`21:59.55`	`kergoth`	`dougheck: tech support.`
`21:59.59`	`dougheck`	`ugh`
`22:00.02`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: how do we vote for your games?`
`22:00.04`	`absentia`	`should iwconfig wlna0 mode Master`
`22:00.06`	`absentia`	`lock up the zaurus?`
`22:00.08`	`Neo\|Work`	`that said, there might be an issue with that because SDL with qtopia + SDL_main does qtopia setup when it starts`
`22:00.22`	`George-`	`dougheck: it's his way of alleviating stress :)`
`22:00.51`	`Neo\|Work`	`George-: "vote here" buttons on the game pages I believe`
`22:01.02`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: where?`
`22:01.06`	`absentia`	`hmmm... would anyone be willing to help me with getting wireless working on the zaurus ?`
`22:01.07`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: what games page? :P`
`22:01.21`	`Neo\|Work`	`whatever game you want to vote for`
`22:02.40`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: handango?`
`22:03.12`	`Neo\|Work`	`yes`
`22:03.29`	`Neo\|Work`	`that's why I said 'handango' above. :P`
`22:04.12`	`George-`	`oh`
`22:04.13`	`George-`	`heh`
`22:04.30`	`absentia`	`sigh`
`22:04.44`	`pagan`	`could someone get me a /etc/ipkg.conf?`
`22:05.26`	`pagan`	`nevermind`
`22:05.30`	`absentia`	`pagan`
`22:05.31`	`pagan`	`i'll just reflash`
`22:05.42`	`absentia`	`I can't xfer to you becausae I can't get wireless going`
`22:05.43`	`absentia`	`but I have the file up`
`22:05.48`	`absentia`	`do you need the whole file ?`
`22:05.49`	`pagan`	`ah`
`22:05.53`	`pagan`	`no thanks`
`22:05.57`	`pagan`	`I'll just flash`
`22:06.03`	`absentia`	`heheh`
`22:06.08`	`pagan`	`it's okay, don't go throught the trouble`
`22:06.16`	`absentia`	`I'll trade you the ipkg.conf for help getting up wireless .. h0h0h0`
`22:06.21`	`absentia`	`not a problem.`
`22:06.52`	`absentia`	`syslog is constantly spitting out can't locate module irda0`
`22:07.17`	`kergoth`	`thats harmless, but annoying`
`22:07.21`	`kergoth`	`i'll fix that eventually`
`22:07.39`	`absentia`	`k`
`22:07.45`	`absentia`	`just making sure I"m not breaking more things.`
`22:08.02`	`absentia`	`I notice that the irda applet(?) has enable, but no diable.`
`22:08.05`	`absentia`	`er, disable.`
`22:08.45`	`pagan`	`you need to enable to disable`
`22:09.09`	`absentia`	`ah`
`22:09.35`	`absentia`	`fv<k ... ifconfig on wlan0 just locks up until I pull out the card.`
`22:11.25`	`absentia`	`:-<`
`22:11.32`	`absentia`	`I give up`
`22:11.35`	`absentia`	`I"m going to buy another card`
`22:12.11`	`absentia`	`it seems no one knows how to get a linksys card to work`
`22:12.13`	`absentia`	`if it doesn't work`
`22:14.17`	`absentia`	`ah, the mailing list archives are back.`
`22:20.54`	`dougheck`	`lol`
`22:23.10`	`absentia`	`ok`
`22:23.14`	`absentia`	`now OZ won't boot up`
`22:23.18`	`absentia`	`with the card in`
`22:23.21`	`absentia`	`or with the card out`
`22:23.21`	`absentia`	`time to reflash`
`22:23.38`	`*** join/#zaurus josh966_ (~chatzilla@ak.nlc.com)`
`22:26.22`	`*** join/#zaurus absentia (~scott@ip216-179-64-58.cust.bestweb.net)`
`22:26.24`	`absentia`	`blah`
`22:26.28`	`absentia`	`ssh crashed`
`22:26.47`	`dougheck`	`lol`
`22:28.03`	`*** join/#zaurus Zxcvb (~msmustdie@ilchtn96.one-eleven.net)`
`22:28.10`	`absentia`	`ah! whew.. it rebooted.`
`22:28.55`	`Zxcvb`	`has anyone managed to get freearcade.com games on the zaurus?`
`22:29.47`	`dougheck`	`java?`
`22:30.00`	`dougheck`	`dunno`
`22:30.15`	`Zxcvb`	`specifically, ripping them for use on the Z`
`22:30.27`	`dougheck`	`[18:08] <pagan> you need to enable to disable`
`22:30.33`	`dougheck`	`lol`
`22:32.03`	`absentia`	`doug: are you just along for the ride?`
`22:32.11`	`dougheck`	`no`
`22:32.12`	`dougheck`	`:)`
`22:38.14`	`Zxcvb`	`heh, www.opera.com crashes opera in OZ`
`22:38.29`	`absentia`	`hehe`
`22:38.57`	`Zxcvb`	`other sites are fine`
`22:43.41`	`dougheck`	`hrm`
`22:43.52`	`dougheck`	`still? thats like 3 weeks old`
`22:50.42`	`Zxcvb`	`does anyone know what nanoweb does?`
`22:50.57`	`kergoth`	`its a webserver`
`22:50.59`	`kergoth`	`written in php`
`22:51.02`	`kergoth`	`quite cool`
`22:51.17`	`absentia`	`ker: did you see the webservers in the rj45s?`
`22:51.26`	`dougheck`	`?`
`22:51.28`	`dougheck`	`webserver`
`22:51.29`	`dougheck`	`in php?`
`22:51.43`	`cynTop`	`paradoxical`
`22:51.47`	`kergoth`	`not really`
`22:51.52`	`dougheck`	`ah`
`22:51.53`	`kergoth`	`you can run php scripts from a commandline`
`22:51.55`	`cynTop`	`but yeah zope has tools for cli php`
`22:52.01`	`dougheck`	`cool`
`22:52.22`	`cynTop`	`you don't find it paradoxical that a web scripting language was used to implement a web server`
`22:52.34`	`cynTop`	`there's no chicken egg humor in that for you? :P`
`22:52.48`	`absentia`	`ker: cyn -- ok, telling the linksys card to be mode Managed.. causes the system to lock up until I remove the card... any idea about that ?`
`22:52.55`	`kergoth`	`cynTop: yes its amusing`
`22:53.28`	`absentia`	`I love how google suggests ifconfig instead of iwconfig`
`22:53.51`	`kergoth`	`ifconfig is a valid useful tool`
`22:53.55`	`kergoth`	`but you need both.`
`22:53.57`	`kergoth`	`heh`
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`22:54.06`	`absentia`	`ya`
`22:54.08`	`absentia`	`that was humor`
`22:54.20`	`kergoth`	`s/$/ous/`
`22:54.20`	`absentia`	`I'm trying to find an example iwconfig command so I can try it here`
`22:54.22`	`kergoth`	`hey darienm`
`22:54.27`	`kergoth`	`absentia: iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed`
`22:54.29`	`darienm`	`hello`
`22:54.32`	`absentia`	`I do`
`22:54.33`	`kergoth`	`absentia: iwconfig wlan0 essid hi`
`22:54.34`	`absentia`	`it locks up`
`22:54.36`	`absentia`	`until I remove the card`
`22:54.42`	`kergoth`	`okay, then you dont need an example iwconfig command`
`22:54.44`	`darienm`	`I only left and returned 'cuz OS X said I had to restart to install software.`
`22:54.49`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`22:54.52`	`darienm`	`But in reality, I'm here all day and most of the night long.`
`22:55.04`	`darienm`	`Its so funny that people only say "hi" when they see you join.`
`22:55.13`	`darienm`	`Doesn't matter that you've been idling for 200+ hours.`
`22:55.14`	`kergoth`	`darienm: well i dont randomly say hi to lurkers`
`22:55.20`	`kergoth`	`darienm: :)`
`22:55.39`	`darienm`	`Hi kergoth, love you too.`
`22:55.43`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`22:55.57`	`yeiazel`	`is it possible to love kergoth ?????,`
`22:56.01`	`yeiazel`	`errrrkkkkk`
`22:56.11`	`absentia`	`hehehe`
`22:56.11`	`darienm`	`Imagine your Zaurus without Oz on it.`
`22:56.18`	`darienm`	`Now you know how much you can love kergoth`
`22:56.34`	`kergoth`	`indeed, just think, it wouldnt Suck Less. instead it would suck more`
`22:56.36`	`kergoth`	`and we cant have that`
`22:56.40`	`Matthew_I`	`I love you kergoth`
`22:56.49`	`kergoth`	`aha`
`22:56.55`	`_Psycho_`	`Imagine your Pc without Windows Xp on it.`
`22:56.57`	`_Psycho_`	`oh wiatr`
`22:56.59`	`_Psycho_`	`wait you can`
`22:57.01`	`_Psycho_`	`;)`
`22:57.02`	`Matthew_I`	`by the way is vnotes the opie voice recorder`
`22:57.03`	`absentia`	`iwconfig wlan0 essid hi`
`22:57.08`	`darienm`	`well, off to lurkerville, where I go to the petstore for new astroturf for my snake's cage`
`22:57.10`	`absentia`	`said error`
`22:57.11`	`Matthew_I`	`i live you linus and richard`
`22:57.14`	`absentia`	`invalid argument`
`22:57.23`	`yeiazel`	`darienm: and Debian ? :)`
`22:57.30`	`darienm`	`huh?`
`22:57.43`	`yeiazel`	`pagan: my PC without WHAT ?`
`22:57.48`	`yeiazel`	`darienm: debian/arm`
`22:57.51`	`yeiazel`	`errr`
`22:57.51`	`kergoth`	`i love you debian`
`22:57.56`	`yeiazel`	`_Psycho_: my PC without WHAT ?`
`22:58.00`	`absentia`	`I just don't think this card works with OZ`
`22:58.01`	`absentia`	`period`
`22:58.02`	`kergoth`	`~love debian`
`22:58.04`		`If you love debian so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)`
`22:58.07`	`kergoth`	`absentia: its nothing to do with oz`
`22:58.09`	`darienm`	`yeiazel, no idea what you're talking about.`
`22:58.14`	`kergoth`	`absentia: if its an issue, its a problem with the hostap driver`
`22:58.19`	`kergoth`	`absentia: and that card`
`22:58.22`	`Matthew_I`	`debian is the stuff`
`22:58.23`	`absentia`	`ya`
`22:58.38`	`Matthew_I`	`now I can take it with me where ever I go, on my laptop, on my knoppix cd, on my zaurus`
`22:58.43`	`_Psycho`	`you know windows xp, that system that run over 400 millions of pc ;) yeiazel, welcome to planet earth =p`
`22:58.45`	`_Psycho`	`hehe`
`22:58.51`	`yeiazel`	`darienm: there is a port of Debian GNU/Linux on the strongarm, the Z's processor; and it works with the Z`
`22:59.02`	`kergoth`	`apt-get sucks on the z though`
`22:59.21`	`yeiazel`	`_Psycho: oh, this horrible thing newbies and lamers have on theirs computers`
`22:59.29`	`Matthew_I`	`thank u, klause, colin, linus, richard, michael, little jhonny, and mr. T`
`22:59.34`	`darienm`	`yeiazel: Yeah, well there's also Sharp's ROM, and possibly QNX, and possibly X, and others.`
`22:59.46`	`darienm`	`yeiazel: But I really appreciate OZ most of all.`
`22:59.50`	`_Psycho`	`yeiazel they are called coworkers and families =p haha`
`23:00.08`	`yeiazel`	`_Psycho: coworkers ? all running Debian GNU/Linux`
`23:00.17`	`yeiazel`	`my company is COOL`
`23:00.28`	`kergoth`	`yeiazel: nice`
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`23:00.35`	`_Psycho`	`you company most be small or something weird`
`23:00.58`	`yeiazel`	`_Psycho: 9 ppl in the "Linux" section`
`23:01.15`	`yeiazel`	`60 or 70 ppl total (but they don't all run linux :)`
`23:01.23`	`_Psycho`	`=p`
`23:04.33`	`absentia`	`every iwconfig wlan0 XXX YYY command is failing`
`23:04.35`	`absentia`	`with a different error`
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`23:05.05`	`absentia`	`ifup wlan0 says already up`
`23:05.07`	`kergoth`	`absentia: well, its either a card problem or a driver problem`
`23:05.15`	`absentia`	`but iwconfig says wlan0 invalid argument`
`23:05.25`	`absentia`	`ker: ya... what's a card that will work?`
`23:05.28`	`Matthew_I`	`is vnotes the opie voice recorder`
`23:05.30`	`absentia`	`netgear?`
`23:05.55`	`absentia`	`I can't soend $1000 on a device like this and not have wireless`
`23:05.55`	`Matthew_I`	`I mean vmemo`
`23:06.11`	`absentia`	`fuck it`
`23:06.17`	`absentia`	`I'm gonna walk to the corner and get another cf card`
`23:06.34`	`absentia`	`<-- moved from wall street to times square`
`23:07.20`	`absentia`	`I have 24hr a day gadget shops, I should use'm`
`23:07.57`	`absentia`	`ker: do yo have a cf wireless card?`
`23:08.06`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`23:08.10`	`CuCullin`	`I had one, netgear ma701, worked fine for me`
`23:08.17`	`absentia`	`how's the power consumption.`
`23:08.24`	`absentia`	`that's not the one with the huge ass antenna, is it ?`
`23:08.27`	`CuCullin`	`eh, I didnt really notice myself`
`23:08.34`	`CuCullin`	`no`
`23:08.47`	`absentia`	`k`
`23:08.50`	`absentia`	`going to the corner`
`23:08.52`	`CuCullin`	`I have a charger at work and one at home (now atleast), and I had a habit of charging often`
`23:09.24`	`CuCullin`	`but I only had the batt low once, and I was using it constantly wireless at full brightness... laster about an hour and a half I think`
`23:09.33`	`absentia`	`hmmm`
`23:09.38`	`absentia`	`suspend seems fubared...`
`23:09.42`	`absentia`	`hehh`
`23:09.49`	`CuCullin`	`give it a sec`
`23:09.50`	`kergoth`	`on the c700?`
`23:09.58`	`absentia`	`ya`
`23:09.58`	`kergoth`	`suspend/resume is known to be hosed on the c700 oz images`
`23:10.03`	`kergoth`	`its fixed in the next one`
`23:10.03`	`absentia`	`np`
`23:10.11`	`CuCullin`	`btw, I have a 5500`
`23:10.20`	`absentia`	`I was gonna take the device to flash it around...`
`23:10.36`	`absentia`	`bbs`
`23:11.00`	`CuCullin`	`I'm off too, going to pick up a cf card, a reader, and some ink for the gf's printer. Be back tomorrow.`
`23:12.10`	`_Psycho`	`absentia if i can get my new image up i send it to you should include every weekend patches`
`23:12.11`	`_Psycho`	`;)`
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`23:23.01`	`Pendalar______`	`bah sharp's email with url http://www.sharpnewsletter.com/homeofficecampaign/links/Zcompleteasp doesn't work for me`
`23:23.58`	`Pendalar______`	`how many ___'s does this client need?`
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`23:32.05`	`Zxcvb`	`ack, prboom says IWAD not found`
`23:32.22`	`kergoth`	`installed the doom demo ipk?`
`23:32.39`	`Zxcvb`	`kergoth: no I installed from the testing feed`
`23:33.03`	`Zxcvb`	`kergoth: then I did ln -s /mnt/cf/doom2.wad /opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom/doom2/wad`
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`23:33.12`	`rev\|pc`	`heyy`
`23:33.37`	`rev\|pc`	`does the Z have a crappy screen generally, or is mine defective?`
`23:33.38`	`rev\|pc`	`that is`
`23:33.54`	`rev\|pc`	`the backlight seems really dim at max, especially compared to a dell axim`
`23:34.02`	`rev\|pc`	`but the axim seems to have an exceptional screen`
`23:34.25`	`kergoth`	`Zxcvb: i'd strace prboom`
`23:34.34`	`kergoth`	`Zxcvb: see if thats the actual path it loads of the wad file`
`23:38.41`	`rev\|pc`	`kergoth: on your SL-5500, does the backlight only light from one side?`
`23:38.52`	`rev\|pc`	`as opposed to both the left and the right edge of the screen?`
`23:39.32`	`Pendalar`	`it's light is on one side yes`
`23:39.40`	`rev\|pc`	`ok`
`23:40.02`	`rev\|pc`	`it just seems to dim compared to the ipaq and axim, so i was worried mine sucked/was defective, or if the Z's screen just kind of sucked naturally`
`23:40.03`	`rev\|pc`	`heh`
`23:40.17`	`treke`	`nope, it just kinda sucks`
`23:40.27`	`rev\|pc`	`bummer`
`23:40.56`	`rev\|pc`	`i can't wait until summer when i'll be able to work more on my OS- i can't wait to get some decent apps :P`
`23:42.11`	`Pendalar`	`write faster`
`23:42.24`	`kergoth`	`rev\|pc: tried iqnotes?`
`23:42.31`	`kergoth`	`or opie-notesapplet`
`23:42.45`	`rev\|pc`	`kergoth: yes, it is better than the other options, but still sucks compared to Newton Notes, or hell, even PocketPC notes`
`23:42.54`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`23:43.26`	`rev\|pc`	`i've not found any notes app that allows me to write drawing-based notes in a fixed pixel canvas`
`23:43.28`	`kergoth`	`theres always drawpad, but theres no notes app that integrates the ability to jot sketches with the ability to input text notes`
`23:43.34`	`kergoth`	`use drawpad.`
`23:43.46`	`rev\|pc`	`and no app that lets me mix text and drawing`
`23:43.47`	`kergoth`	`part of opie`
`23:43.52`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`23:43.54`	`rev\|pc`	`drawpad still restricts you to a fixed canvas`
`23:43.56`	`rev\|pc`	`at least the version i have`
`23:44.04`	`rev\|pc`	`that is, you can fix it at a couple pages long`
`23:44.28`	`rev\|pc`	`but it still is a huge PIA- i tried making one 3 pages long of the Z's screen, and it was complaining about not having enough RAM :/`
`23:44.29`	`kergoth`	`so open a feature request`
`23:44.32`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`23:44.40`	`rev\|pc`	`i'm just writing my own for dynapad`
`23:44.41`	`kergoth`	`or bug report in the case of the memory usage`
`23:44.45`	`rev\|pc`	`yeah`
`23:44.45`	`kergoth`	`thats cool`
`23:44.49`	`kergoth`	`but reports help`
`23:44.52`	`rev\|pc`	`k`
`23:44.55`	`kergoth`	`otherwise it'll never get fixed :)`
`23:44.58`	`rev\|pc`	`yeah`
`23:45.10`	`rev\|pc`	`where would one do that? is drawpad part of opie?`
`23:45.15`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`23:45.20`	`rev\|pc`	`i'd be willing to pay like $50 for a good notes app`
`23:45.21`	`kergoth`	`ibot: opie bugs`
`23:45.22`		`somebody said opie bugs was http://opie.info/bugs/`
`23:45.26`	`rev\|pc`	`thanks kergoth`
`23:45.30`	`kergoth`	`np`
`23:45.46`	`rev\|pc`	`iqnotes is ok though`
`23:46.25`	`rev\|pc`	`at least that i can almost mix text and notes... that is, in my text notes, i can write "Fig 2" and then make a new sketch node, title it "Fig 2" and then draw the graph or whatever`
`23:46.47`	`kergoth`	`iqnotes has some user interface issues`
`23:46.47`	`kergoth`	`imho`
`23:46.56`	`rev\|pc`	`yeah`
`23:46.58`	`rev\|pc`	`i acree`
`23:47.00`	`rev\|pc`	`er agree`
`23:47.00`	`George-`	`wooooot`
`23:47.08`	`rev\|pc`	`not sure what is up with all the wasted space when doing a note`
`23:47.13`	`rev\|pc`	`for the frame around the widget`
`23:47.19`	`rev\|pc`	`and why no sliding divider?`
`23:47.20`	`rev\|pc`	`uff`
`23:47.30`	`rev\|pc`	`or for that matter, why not be able to edit in the view mode?`
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`23:50.19`	`absentia`	`grrr`
`23:50.37`	`absentia`	`4 stores... only comp usa had cf wireless, and all they had was the linksys.`
`23:50.45`	`rev\|pc`	`looking for the socket?`
`23:50.46`	`absentia`	`looks like I'm going to J&R downtown again tomorrow.`
`23:50.53`	`absentia`	`anything but linksys`
`23:51.01`	`absentia`	`I can't get mine to work in the c700`
`23:51.09`	`absentia`	`I have a wcf12`
`23:51.11`	`absentia`	`it doesn't work`
`23:51.14`	`absentia`	`not under sharp`
`23:51.16`	`absentia`	`not under OZ`
`23:51.18`	`Matthew_I`	`I think I will buy a 128 meg sd card and a 256 meg cf card for apps/docs and video/music respectively, sounds good?`
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`23:51.39`	`kergoth`	`absentia: maybe defective?`
`23:51.39`	`absentia`	`I have 512mb sd.. from lexar @ J&R .. $274`
`23:51.45`	`absentia`	`128mb I just bought at comp usa.. $39`
`23:51.58`	`absentia`	`ker: yup. I didn't want to spend $80 at comp usa for the same card, just in case`
`23:52.03`	`absentia`	`I'll spend $80 for another brand tomorrow.`
`23:52.10`	`absentia`	`gotta test`
`23:52.11`	kergoth`bbl	`cant exchange it?`
`23:52.15`	kergoth`bbl	`okay im out`
`23:52.26`	`absentia`	`well, I could. but I don't know it's defective`
`23:52.32`	`absentia`	`and if I exchange it for another wcf12`
`23:52.34`	`absentia`	`and THAT doesn't work`
`23:52.40`	`absentia`	`then it looks like it could be me or my c700`
`23:52.42`	`absentia`	`later ker`
`23:52.51`	`absentia`	`I do get an error in syslog`
`23:52.58`	`absentia`	`saying that I should use revision 13 for the linksys`
`23:53.02`	`absentia`	`but only revision 12 compiled in`
`23:53.06`	`absentia`	`not sure if that means anything`
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`23:53.35`	`absentia`	`every iwconfig command fails`
`23:53.38`	`absentia`	`which seems odd`
`23:53.49`	`absentia`	`iwconfig wlan0 192.168.2.102`
`23:53.50`	`absentia`	`fails`
`23:53.59`	`absentia`	`iwconfig wlan0 essid off`
`23:54.00`	`absentia`	`fails`
`23:54.01`	`rev\|pc`	`i am waiting for my damned 256 MB SD card to come in the mail :/`
`23:54.03`	`absentia`	`channel 1`
`23:54.04`	`absentia`	`fails`
`23:54.07`	`rev\|pc`	`i bought it like 2 weeks ago`
`23:54.09`	`absentia`	`how much was it ?`
`23:54.10`	`rev\|pc`	`and still hasn't showed up`
`23:54.19`	`rev\|pc`	`from buy.com`
`23:54.21`	`rev\|pc`	`the WCF12 came`
`23:54.34`	`absentia`	`rev: could you tell me how you got your scf12 to work ?`
`23:54.44`	`rev\|pc`	`sure`
`23:54.48`	`absentia`	`can you run iwconfig commands on it ?`
`23:54.48`	`rev\|pc`	`i can find the directions i used`
`23:54.51`	`absentia`	`ah!`
`23:54.58`	`absentia`	`are you sharp rom or OZ ?`
`23:54.59`	`rev\|pc`	`not sure- what do they do?`
`23:55.01`	`rev\|pc`	`i am on sharp rom`
`23:55.04`	`absentia`	`ok`
`23:55.11`	`absentia`	`I followed all the directions for sharp rom`
`23:55.12`	`absentia`	`didn't work.`
`23:55.16`	`rev\|pc`	`but i'm using an sl-5500, not the C700`
`23:55.17`	`rev\|pc`	`same here`
`23:55.18`	`absentia`	`adding in the ref id, taking out the ref id`
`23:55.20`	`rev\|pc`	`for the first set of directions`
`23:55.22`	`absentia`	`taking out the version line`
`23:55.23`	`rev\|pc`	`it was odd`
`23:55.24`	`absentia`	`nada`
`23:55.31`	`absentia`	`ah`
`23:55.32`	`absentia`	`ok`
`23:55.36`	`absentia`	`nevrmind`
`23:55.36`	`absentia`	`:->`
`23:55.40`	`rev\|pc`	`one set of directions had me modifying one file- wlan-somethingoroother.conf`
`23:55.45`	`rev\|pc`	`couldn't get it to work on two WAPs i tried`
`23:55.50`	`absentia`	`I know it well`
`23:55.50`	`rev\|pc`	`then i undid those changes`
`23:55.56`	`absentia`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:55.59`	`rev\|pc`	`and did the changes somewhere slightrly different`
`23:56.01`	`rev\|pc`	`and then bam`
`23:56.02`	`rev\|pc`	`it worked`
`23:56.05`	`absentia`	`ya`
`23:56.07`	`rev\|pc`	`i also had to reboot my WAP for somer eason`
`23:56.08`	`absentia`	`you lucked into it`
`23:56.09`	`absentia`	`lucky you.`
`23:56.12`	`pHluid`	`man, goddamn`
`23:56.21`	`pHluid`	`Why is the USB network so goddamn terrible`
`23:56.25`	`rev\|pc`	`did you try the one where you had to modify two files?`
`23:56.31`	`absentia`	`no`
`23:56.31`	`rev\|pc`	`making a .opt file?`
`23:56.34`	`rev\|pc`	`ok`
`23:56.37`	`rev\|pc`	`i'll get those directions`
`23:56.37`	`absentia`	`:-<`
`23:56.37`	`rev\|pc`	`try them`
`23:56.59`	`pHluid`	`I'm so close to just tossing this bitch against the wall, I keep having to calm myself and tell myself it'll all be over in a month when I can afford a proper CF network card`
`23:57.08`	`rev\|pc`	`i did the mods to just wlan-ng.conf at first`
`23:57.13`	`absentia`	`ph: I'm doing the same now`
`23:57.15`	`absentia`	`I'm going crazy`
`23:57.16`	`rev\|pc`	`they did recognize the card, and make a new eth0 though`
`23:57.19`	`rev\|pc`	`BUT`
`23:57.21`	`absentia`	`everyone goes "just put it in, it will work`
`23:57.24`	`rev\|pc`	`it never grabbed an IP`
`23:57.34`	`pHluid`	`absentia: If you're using USB, don't believe them`
`23:57.36`	`absentia`	`and it doesn't.. and when it does'nt, people start attacking me for asking how I can trouble shoot it`
`23:57.40`	`pHluid`	`For a week now, I've been struggling with this bitch`
`23:57.41`	`absentia`	`saying I'm stupid and can't search the net, etc.`
`23:57.45`	`pHluid`	`It works JUST enough to keep me going`
`23:57.57`	`absentia`	`usb... under sharp rom, is claimed to be nasty`
`23:57.59`	`absentia`	`I'm now under oz`
`23:58.04`	`pHluid`	`Then I'll take it off the cradle or soemthing, and have to spend an hour getting it to ping the host machine`
`23:58.05`	`absentia`	`and I can't get wireless to work under either`
`23:58.07`	`rev\|pc`	`the WCF12 doesn't work with OZ?`
`23:58.14`	`rev\|pc`	`it should work out of the box with OZ`
`23:58.18`	`rev\|pc`	or so kergoth`bbl says
`23:58.18`	`rev\|pc`	`heh`
`23:58.19`	`absentia`	`all I had undr sharp was usb`
`23:58.30`	`_Psycho`	`absentia my wireless work #1 under oz c700`
`23:58.31`	`absentia`	`rev: um... don't get me started`
`23:58.36`	`absentia`	`he jumped on my case all afternoon`
`23:58.40`	`_Psycho`	`not sure whats wrong i just plug it and it work`
`23:58.40`	`rev\|pc`	`?`
`23:58.41`	`rev\|pc`	`about what?`
`23:58.48`	`absentia`	`about what I just said above`
`23:58.49`	`pHluid`	`absentia: Have you had USB working at all under OZ?`
`23:58.51`	`_Psycho`	`btw i almost finished a full build or a new image`
`23:58.51`	`rev\|pc`	`the card is prolly broken`
`23:58.53`	`absentia`	`my wcf12 doesn't work`
`23:58.57`	`rev\|pc`	`get an exchage`
`23:58.59`	`absentia`	`I was trying to find out more commands.. to test it`
`23:59.01`	`absentia`	`etc`
`23:59.02`	`rev\|pc`	`i've read about the cards being fucked out of the box`
`23:59.02`	`_Psycho`	`i have a wcf12`
`23:59.09`	`absentia`	`_P: what is the new image?`
`23:59.13`	`_Psycho`	`but i dont use the same image as kergoth`
`23:59.21`	`rev\|pc`	`in my case, i luckily had a PocketPC to try it out on to make sure it wasn't the card`
`23:59.25`	`absentia`	`ph: I'll try usb now`
`23:59.29`	`_Psycho`	`well new image include kergoth fix like on-fly rotation, suspend fix and some network fix he did`
`23:59.35`	`absentia`	`rev: yes, that's lucky.`
`23:59.45`	`absentia`	`ok`
`23:59.50`	`_Psycho`	`Konqueror i added and some stuff i wanted in it`
`23:59.54`	`absentia`	`when will they release 3.3.2 or something ?`

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