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| 00:07.48 | pHluid | hsn? |
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| 00:27.50 | hExml | home shopping network |
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| 00:49.04 | Matthew_I | maybe I just did not use the sharp rom as much as I am using oz, but it seems oz drains the battery faster |
| 00:49.47 | Matthew_I | can konq on opie zoom like opera? |
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| 00:51.01 | treke|ho1e | yes |
| 00:51.23 | Matthew_I | are there any like little openoffice/hancom office, replacements too? |
| 00:51.35 | treke|ho1e | no |
| 00:51.43 | Matthew_I | what about a voice recorder |
| 00:51.53 | treke|ho1e | yes |
| 00:52.02 | Matthew_I | maybe I just did not use the sharp rom as much as I am using oz, but it seems oz drains the battery faster, does it |
| 00:52.12 | treke|ho1e | you already said that |
| 00:52.20 | Matthew_I | yeah what was the answer? |
| 00:52.28 | treke|ho1e | there was no answer |
| 00:52.35 | Matthew_I | ahh... right... |
| 00:53.01 | Matthew_I | do I have to restart opie after switching themes? |
| 00:53.13 | treke|ho1e | no |
| 00:53.20 | Matthew_I | why does it ask me to? |
| 00:53.30 | treke|ho1e | dunno |
| 00:53.33 | George- | treke|ho1e: there there, be a helpful little person now |
| 00:53.36 | treke|ho1e | probably a holdover |
| 00:53.38 | hExml | does everyone love their zaurus? |
| 00:53.42 | treke|ho1e | George-: no |
| 00:53.52 | George- | treke|ho1e: you bastard :) |
| 00:54.01 | hExml | I'm curious if anyone has mamed with their zaurus |
| 00:54.02 | warmi | hExml: uh ? |
| 00:54.13 | Matthew_I | i named mine Z |
| 00:54.16 | hExml | Galaga would be neat. |
| 00:54.21 | Matthew_I | :) |
| 00:54.32 | George- | Matthew_I: I named mine chlorine |
| 00:54.39 | warmi | I named mine 5000d |
| 00:55.13 | George- | warmi: I've got this habit of naming my computers after elements |
| 00:55.19 | Com[Plex] | I ahev three zaurii |
| 00:55.24 | George- | warmi: ever since I got my tibook and named it titanium ;) |
| 00:55.33 | George- | Com[Plex]: you bastard! :P |
| 00:55.36 | Com[Plex] | and I named them after the three magi of the nativity |
| 00:55.40 | Com[Plex] | haha |
| 00:55.46 | Com[Plex] | and uim an atheist |
| 00:55.48 | treke|ho1e | Com[Plex]: manny, moe, and jack? |
| 00:55.55 | George- | so far I have: titanium, platinum, lithium and chlorine |
| 00:56.07 | treke|ho1e | you need more lithium |
| 00:56.16 | George- | treke|ho1e: no, tom, dick and harry :P |
| 00:56.19 | hExml | wow |
| 00:56.25 | George- | (the three escape tunnels in the Great Escape) |
| 00:56.38 | hExml | Moe Larry Curly |
| 00:57.54 | Com[Plex] | Gaspar, Melchior, and Balthasar |
| 00:58.08 | Com[Plex] | lots of different spellings for em. |
| 00:58.37 | Com[Plex] | I liek to name my computers after religeous things. wich is funny, because Im atheist. |
| 00:59.04 | Com[Plex] | my PC is called leviticus. and anyone whos read leviticus knows its the most graphicly bloodthirsty book in the bible |
| 00:59.35 | Com[Plex] | lots of angels have some pretty fsinister sounding names too. |
| 01:00.06 | hExml | ahh, zmame |
| 01:00.06 | hExml | neato |
| 01:03.29 | Matthew_I | the z is my new friend, my little buddy, and my pal |
| 01:03.44 | Matthew_I | i tell people, while I was waiting my new friend kept me company |
| 01:03.59 | Matthew_I | Com[Plex]: ever read judges? |
| 01:05.05 | George- | Matthew_I: is your Z your only friend? |
| 01:05.11 | George- | Matthew_I: :P |
| 01:05.24 | CodeYoddler | Woo hoo!!! I finally got a Zaurus |
| 01:05.24 | hExml | code: where? |
| 01:05.26 | CodeYoddler | I went to Office Depot and got the demo unit for $125 |
| 01:05.30 | hExml | :o |
| 01:05.39 | treke|ho1e | hrmmm |
| 01:05.45 | hExml | does it have spooge all over it? |
| 01:05.50 | George- | rofl |
| 01:06.06 | Matthew_I | George-: no |
| 01:06.06 | Matthew_I | no |
| 01:06.11 | hExml | office depot is still selling them for $400 online |
| 01:06.11 | CodeYoddler | It's in perfect shape |
| 01:06.13 | treke|ho1e | depending ont he answer to hExml's question |
| 01:06.15 | George- | Matthew_I: obviously then :) |
| 01:06.21 | CodeYoddler | It was demo for 2 months |
| 01:07.04 | George- | er |
| 01:07.11 | George- | my Psion 5 was a demo unit |
| 01:09.04 | hExml | ahh |
| 01:09.04 | hExml | not bad |
| 01:09.04 | Matthew_I | tigerdirect 200 (211 with shiping) referb |
| 01:09.04 | hExml | i would love to get a zaurus to replace my gba |
| 01:09.05 | hExml | :D |
| 01:09.05 | Matthew_I | is there a gba emulator |
| 01:09.05 | hExml | I would think yes |
| 01:09.05 | hExml | there is zmame |
| 01:09.08 | CodeYoddler | I can't use it until Sunday |
| 01:09.10 | CodeYoddler | I also got a wireless CF card for $30 |
| 01:09.29 | George- | CodeYoddler: why can't you use it until sunday? |
| 01:09.48 | CodeYoddler | easter |
| 01:09.49 | George- | hExml: the Z can't emulate teh GBA |
| 01:10.02 | oGMo | sure it can |
| 01:10.07 | George- | oGMo: no it can't |
| 01:10.15 | oGMo | you could just dynamically recompile the arm to sa |
| 01:10.21 | George- | er... |
| 01:10.29 | George- | SA *Is* ARM |
| 01:10.34 | oGMo | George-: duh? |
| 01:10.34 | oGMo | heh |
| 01:10.40 | oGMo | that's why it'd be trivial |
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| 01:10.52 | George- | oGMo: you forget there's a heap of auxiliary h/w in the gba |
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| 01:10.58 | George- | oGMo: which would require emulation |
| 01:11.24 | oGMo | George-: and you've got 190MHz left to do it |
| 01:11.36 | CodeYoddler | I got a 802.11b pc card for $20 and a 802.11b cf card for $30 |
| 01:11.38 | George- | oGMo: what a stupid comment |
| 01:11.58 | oGMo | anyone else find that statement coming from George- ironic? |
| 01:11.59 | oGMo | ;) |
| 01:12.02 | George- | oGMo: no |
| 01:12.22 | treke|ho1e | except its a different type type of arm with different peripheral that need emulating |
| 01:12.28 | George- | oGMo: a 700MHz PC couldn't emulate my Sega Genesis that well. |
| 01:12.44 | oGMo | you don't know a whole lot about emulation it seems |
| 01:13.00 | oGMo | treke|ho1e: true, but you could come pretty damn close |
| 01:13.12 | oGMo | DSP games and the like wouldn't run |
| 01:13.23 | George- | oGMo: and I bet the aux h/w in the GBA is more advanced in itself than the stuff in the Genesis |
| 01:13.37 | treke|ho1e | look how well game boy emulation works :) and thats what a 4mhz 8 bit cpu? :) |
| 01:13.49 | oGMo | but you pretranslate the graphics calls and do some high-level emulation like various n64 emulators... you can play the simple stuff |
| 01:13.50 | George- | yah |
| 01:14.01 | oGMo | treke|ho1e: that also doesn't utilize this method of emulation |
| 01:14.13 | oGMo | the only thing that comes close is UltraHLE |
| 01:14.21 | oGMo | i could play n64 games on my p100 |
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| 01:14.31 | oGMo | that wasn't even full recompilation |
| 01:15.35 | oGMo | George-: oh, and you're using a shitty emulator if you can't play genesis games on your PC |
| 01:15.48 | oGMo | or you've got a really crap system... i play them fine on my p2-350 |
| 01:16.39 | George- | anyway, going back to the original point - the Z can't emulate the GBA :) |
| 01:16.47 | oGMo | you're wrong |
| 01:16.55 | George- | oGMo: show me where I can emulate it right now. |
| 01:17.00 | mutexer | provre him wrong.. write an emulator! |
| 01:17.05 | oGMo | George-: show me where i _said_ right now |
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| 01:17.14 | oGMo | hell the gba emulators for the pc suck right now |
| 01:17.18 | George- | mutexer: uhh, an emulator doesn't exist *now* :) |
| 01:17.30 | oGMo | you're a moron, anyway |
| 01:17.37 | oGMo | but you can try and see the potential here |
| 01:17.52 | mutexer | I tried out the GBA emulator on PC once.. bogged down my 800mhz |
| 01:17.59 | oGMo | exactly |
| 01:18.04 | mutexer | it barely ran at 100% |
| 01:18.22 | George- | I wonder how well the PPC GBA emulators fare |
| 01:18.27 | oGMo | and you think that's because a box with barely more power than a snes outweighs a PSX or N64? ;) |
| 01:18.32 | mutexer | is there one? |
| 01:18.47 | oGMo | look at the first snes emulators |
| 01:19.10 | treke|ho1e | of course a Z can emulate a GBA |
| 01:19.23 | treke|ho1e | it just probably cant do it very quickly :) |
| 01:19.24 | George- | treke|ho1e: there's no emulation software. |
| 01:19.37 | treke|ho1e | George-: no shit |
| 01:19.42 | George- | so it can't. |
| 01:20.03 | oGMo | treke|ho1e: it should be able to do basic games, especially with some nice hand-optimized assembler routines for graphics ops |
| 01:20.10 | treke|ho1e | and a Z can't check SSL/Imap email |
| 01:20.30 | George- | treke|ho1e: point konqueror at http://www.mail2web.com |
| 01:20.37 | George- | treke|ho1e: and tkcMail does iirc |
| 01:20.51 | treke|ho1e | has tkc release the imap stuff? |
| 01:21.10 | George- | nno |
| 01:21.13 | George- | dunno |
| 01:21.39 | _Psycho | nes was not running too bad on the Z, GBA should not be too bad either |
| 01:21.49 | _Psycho | wonder how well is the snes9x one |
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| 01:21.54 | _Psycho | or if someone would port the zsnes |
| 01:21.59 | oGMo | snes9x would be harder than the gba |
| 01:22.01 | treke|ho1e | _Psycho: eh? GBA is significantly more powerful then the NES |
| 01:22.01 | oGMo | different CPU |
| 01:22.02 | Matthew_I | ok syncing still does not work |
| 01:22.06 | George- | _Psycho: zsnes has heavy x86 asm |
| 01:22.09 | George- | _Psycho: iirc |
| 01:22.10 | Matthew_I | how can I ftp to oz |
| 01:22.15 | oGMo | GBA ~= snes |
| 01:22.23 | _Psycho | treke i know |
| 01:22.30 | George- | oGMo: uhhh, GBA ~= snes? |
| 01:22.42 | George- | doubt it |
| 01:22.42 | oGMo | George-: that's "approximately equals" |
| 01:22.44 | oGMo | ;P |
| 01:23.05 | George- | I think the GBA is probably a lot more powerful than the SNES |
| 01:23.05 | oGMo | what do you mean you "doubt it"... do you know _anything_ about the subject? |
| 01:23.12 | oGMo | you think _wrong_ |
| 01:23.40 | oGMo | the gba has the equivalent of 2 mode-7's, but less sound hardware and generally equal in other regards |
| 01:23.55 | oGMo | the fact people are doing 3D on it is nothing short of amazing |
| 01:24.35 | Matthew_I | are peeps doing 3d on the z? |
| 01:24.46 | mutexer | yes |
| 01:24.51 | Matthew_I | nice |
| 01:24.58 | mutexer | intersteller flames is 3d |
| 01:25.02 | Matthew_I | so how do I ftp to oz |
| 01:25.14 | Matthew_I | oz made me dney my request |
| 01:25.28 | treke|ho1e | use the security program |
| 01:25.31 | treke|ho1e | and the proper password |
| 01:25.37 | oGMo | hmm... good point, if the gba can do 3D, the Z... hmm :) |
| 01:26.21 | mutexer | what 3d game is on gba? |
| 01:27.14 | oGMo | mutexer: super monkey ball jr is a shining example |
| 01:27.27 | mutexer | hm..I havent seen that |
| 01:27.38 | oGMo | mario kart, doom, and related fps's are more doom-like 3D |
| 01:27.45 | oGMo | they have some real poly engines though |
| 01:27.47 | George- | tony hawks? |
| 01:27.48 | oGMo | mutexer: it's amazing |
| 01:27.52 | oGMo | George-: 2D |
| 01:28.17 | CodeYoddler | Does the Belkin 802.11b wireless CF card work with the Zaurus? |
| 01:28.24 | Matthew_I | yup |
| 01:28.33 | CodeYoddler | sweet |
| 01:28.45 | mutexer | that does look good |
| 01:28.54 | CodeYoddler | Ahh, I can't wait to get my Zaurus |
| 01:29.23 | Matthew_I | I still can't ftp, and q desktop disconnects me |
| 01:29.42 | mutexer | that games probably mostly asm |
| 01:30.15 | mutexer | its actual textured 3d |
| 01:30.53 | oGMo | they have a part of MGS going on the gba |
| 01:31.04 | oGMo | it was a demo for one of the engines, displayed at E3 or something |
| 01:31.16 | Matthew_I | ok it syncs with windows, why the heck won't it sync with linux |
| 01:32.15 | mutexer | Super monkey ball is sega right? |
| 01:32.18 | warmi | 3d on GBA ? |
| 01:32.28 | CodeYoddler | If I have my Zaurus hooked up to my computer that has internet via USB, and I have the wireless CF card in the Zaurus, can I go online on my laptop that also has a wireless card? |
| 01:32.30 | Matthew_I | mutexer: yeah |
| 01:32.33 | mutexer | warmi: some pics - http://www.zdnet.com.au/gamespot/pcgames/reviews/screenindex/0,2000012723,20273491,00.htm? |
| 01:33.17 | oGMo | mutexer: yeah |
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| 01:33.20 | Matthew_I | anyone here use debian |
| 01:33.41 | CodeYoddler | I do |
| 01:33.45 | ljp | I use it as a door stop |
| 01:33.58 | Matthew_I | CodeYoddler: sadly, your z is not here yet |
| 01:33.59 | ljp | kidding :) |
| 01:34.13 | Matthew_I | CodeYoddler: mine cam a day early, it was great |
| 01:34.20 | Matthew_I | CodeYoddler: where did you order yours |
| 01:34.38 | ljp | George-: go to bed! |
| 01:34.56 | CodeYoddler | Office Depot |
| 01:35.02 | George- | ljp: no |
| 01:35.09 | warmi | well, trying to do 3d on gba would be kind of hard since this device has only support for accelerated 2d graphics |
| 01:35.15 | oGMo | yeah |
| 01:35.20 | oGMo | warmi: have you seen monkeyball jr? |
| 01:35.35 | warmi | yeah ... but on GC :-) |
| 01:35.38 | CodeYoddler | If I have my Zaurus hooked up to my computer that has internet via USB, and I have the wireless CF card in the Zaurus, can I go online on my laptop that also has a wireless card? |
| 01:35.41 | warmi | which is a bit different |
| 01:35.47 | mutexer | warmi: that link I posted is 3d on GBA |
| 01:35.48 | oGMo | warmi: hehe |
| 01:36.14 | mutexer | at least I believe so.. even though it says PCgames in the link |
| 01:36.17 | oGMo | warmi: actually it looks almost the same on the GBA, except there aren't as many curves on the sides of tracks and stuff |
| 01:36.28 | warmi | yeah, I know - obviously it can be done , but, just like the original Quake - it would all have to be coded in asm or something like that |
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| 01:36.37 | oGMo | prolly |
| 01:36.57 | CodeYoddler | Is there OpenGL for Zaurus? |
| 01:37.26 | warmi | CodeYoddler: not really .. there is a fpm implemntations of MiniOpenGL for PocketPC though |
| 01:37.30 | warmi | so it could be done |
| 01:37.44 | oGMo | the Zaurus SL-6000... now with nvidia technology! Other side doubles as pocket grill! |
| 01:40.28 | CodeYoddler | Isn't there a SDL_OpenGL thing for the Zaurus? |
| 01:41.03 | George- | ARGH |
| 01:41.07 | George- | My damn IRC server is fubar |
| 01:41.10 | warmi | no |
| 01:41.20 | myuu | just DSL code |
| 01:41.35 | warmi | basically you could port something rather easily but it would be dog slow |
| 01:41.41 | myuu | *SDL |
| 01:41.46 | warmi | the trick is to recode everything using fixed point math etc .. |
| 01:42.26 | Matthew_I | what is the password for oz |
| 01:42.37 | ljp | 'there's no place like home' |
| 01:42.47 | ljp | not. |
| 01:42.59 | ljp | it's 'rootme' |
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| 01:43.25 | polin8 | tigerdirect.com has 5500s for $199 |
| 01:43.50 | Matthew_I | i tred to scp to my z and the connection was dropped |
| 01:44.03 | myuu | HSN is going to do the 180 thing again |
| 01:44.09 | myuu | $180 |
| 01:44.17 | ljp | oohh. that password is different |
| 01:44.23 | warmi | polin8: yeah ... hehe .. if only Sharp had started out with this price last year |
| 01:44.39 | warmi | 5500 would most likely be the most popular PDA in US by now |
| 01:45.05 | polin8 | and sharp's PDA division would be broke |
| 01:45.10 | polin8 | ;-) |
| 01:45.47 | warmi | well, aren't they now ? |
| 01:46.48 | Matthew_I | nope sharp charges 400 |
| 01:47.09 | warmi | Matthew_I: charges for what ? 5600 ? |
| 01:47.21 | Matthew_I | no 500 for that 400 for 5500 now |
| 01:47.46 | warmi | I thought they were out of 5500s |
| 01:47.47 | treke|ho1e | the 5500 as probably running low |
| 01:47.52 | CodeYoddler | I didn't see the point of the 5600 |
| 01:48.00 | warmi | CodeYoddler: me niether |
| 01:48.14 | treke|ho1e | the last of them were supposed to have been sold to hsn |
| 01:48.16 | Matthew_I | it is bigger better and faster |
| 01:48.46 | warmi | well, I am not sure about that faster part |
| 01:48.51 | treke|ho1e | except it isnt necesarrily any of those other than bigger |
| 01:48.57 | Matthew_I | ok why the heck do net operations kill the link to my z? |
| 01:49.04 | warmi | and , of couse, it is more expensive |
| 01:49.06 | warmi | :-) |
| 01:49.41 | warmi | well, given a choice between 5500 and 5600 , both of them being sold at the same price , I would certainly go for 5600 |
| 01:49.52 | treke|ho1e | the only stuff that looks signficantly better on the 5600 is the battery |
| 01:50.34 | CodeYoddler | Does Zaurus come with any compilers? |
| 01:50.42 | treke|ho1e | no |
| 01:51.03 | warmi | but you can install gcc /perl/python on your own |
| 01:51.11 | Matthew_I | the z is a pda, it is not really a hacker's thing |
| 01:51.12 | George- | how do I find out what a passwd would be when it's encrypted? |
| 01:51.20 | George- | There's a command that encrypts it, right |
| 01:51.21 | George- | ? |
| 01:51.33 | Matthew_I | that is why those punks at sharp, and qtopia, did not have a linux qtdesktop until recently |
| 01:51.34 | treke|ho1e | nope |
| 01:51.42 | warmi | Matthew_I: actually... compared to say PocketPCs or Palm .. Z is kind of hacker's dream come true machine |
| 01:51.43 | treke|ho1e | Matthew_I: uhm now |
| 01:52.01 | treke|ho1e | Matthew_I: QtopiaDesktop has been out for linux since the Zaurus was released. or soon after |
| 01:52.03 | Matthew_I | I suppose, but the default z config is not hackerish at all |
| 01:52.08 | Matthew_I | really? |
| 01:52.11 | treke|ho1e | yes |
| 01:52.23 | Matthew_I | I thought 1.6 was the first |
| 01:52.29 | treke|ho1e | no it wasnt |
| 01:52.33 | Matthew_I | oh ok |
| 01:52.46 | Matthew_I | well my z still won't sync so Im pissed |
| 01:55.17 | George- | bah |
| 01:55.24 | George- | Is there no way to encrypt a word? |
| 01:55.53 | ljp | uhhhh |
| 01:56.18 | ljp | thats top secret, and I would have to kill you if I told you |
| 01:56.24 | CodeYoddler | Is Zaurus's IR on the top? |
| 01:56.30 | ljp | side |
| 01:56.33 | George- | ljp: I seem to remember there being a command to encrypt a password which you send to it as an argument, then it outputs the encrypted form |
| 01:56.51 | ljp | George-: yeppers there is |
| 01:56.56 | George- | ljp: what is it? :) |
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| 01:57.13 | ljp | heheheh, if I told you, I'd have to kill you |
| 01:57.17 | George- | ljp: no seriously |
| 01:57.19 | George- | ljp: I need to know |
| 01:57.26 | ljp | starts with 'm' |
| 01:58.01 | ljp | depends on what you want to encrypt it with |
| 01:58.13 | George- | the way the passwords are encrypted in /etc/shadow |
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| 01:58.58 | CodeYoddler | Is it easy to install software onto the Zaurus |
| 01:59.05 | ljp | sometimes |
| 01:59.12 | George- | CodeYoddler: yah, sometimes |
| 01:59.21 | George- | ljp: can you help? ppleeeaasee: |
| 01:59.23 | George- | ? |
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| 02:00.53 | ljp | as in md5 passwords? |
| 02:01.04 | CodeYoddler | What is a good Zaurus software site? |
| 02:01.09 | George- | ljp: yes |
| 02:01.31 | ljp | ibot: zsi |
| 02:02.04 | ljp | George-: maybe /sbin/md5sum |
| 02:04.37 | CodeYoddler | I want blender for zaurus |
| 02:04.40 | CodeYoddler | that would be cool |
| 02:05.02 | George- | CodeYoddler: uhhh |
| 02:05.15 | George- | CodeYoddler: blender requires a three button mouse and a keyboard with numeric keypad |
| 02:05.20 | George- | CodeYoddler: it's be useless |
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| 02:09.23 | CodeYoddler | They made Blender for the Pocket PC and it worked just fine |
| 02:10.27 | CodeYoddler | Would a 128mb sd card be enough for openzaurus? |
| 02:14.33 | mutexer | milkshape 3d would probably work well on a handheld |
| 02:15.09 | George- | CodeYoddler: just fine? |
| 02:15.15 | George- | CodeYoddler: as in, could you BLEND on it? |
| 02:15.20 | George- | CodeYoddler: I bet you couldn't. |
| 02:15.37 | CodeYoddler | Yeah you can |
| 02:15.56 | CodeYoddler | I tried it like a year ago |
| 02:16.14 | George- | effectively? |
| 02:16.22 | CodeYoddler | yeah |
| 02:16.29 | George- | I can't even run it well on my laptop, with a two button mouse and a laptop keyboard |
| 02:16.39 | CodeYoddler | Why not? |
| 02:16.40 | George- | it basically requires use of the numeric keypad and a three button mouse |
| 02:16.47 | CodeYoddler | Not really |
| 02:17.01 | CodeYoddler | You just use the Ctrl-Key to similate the middle button |
| 02:17.09 | CodeYoddler | and when do you ever need the numeric keypad |
| 02:17.12 | George- | and the numeric keypad? |
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| 02:17.19 | George- | and the screen space? |
| 02:17.43 | mutexer | you ptrobably only have 1 viewport |
| 02:17.54 | George- | mutexer: hrmm |
| 02:18.32 | George- | mutexer: I'm still 99% certain that blender on PocketPC would be a total gimmick |
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| 02:19.54 | CodeYoddler | Can I code C++ onboard on the Zaurus? |
| 02:20.43 | George- | CodeYoddler: yes |
| 02:20.52 | myuu | install gcc |
| 02:21.01 | George- | zgcc |
| 02:21.06 | CodeYoddler | I thought gcc was only for C? |
| 02:21.07 | myuu | *found |
| 02:21.22 | myuu | oops, wrong window |
| 02:21.29 | George- | CodeYoddler: gcc stands for GNU Compiler Collection. |
| 02:21.31 | treke|ho1e | CodeYoddler: nope |
| 02:22.26 | CodeYoddler | here is so much more Zaurus software than Pocket PC software |
| 02:22.48 | treke|ho1e | not really |
| 02:23.16 | treke|ho1e | there are more linux apps, but not "Zaurus" apps |
| 02:23.59 | myuu | but you can port linux apps to zaurus |
| 02:24.20 | myuu | windows => ce is like programming for another os |
| 02:24.29 | treke|ho1e | in most cases its just a matter of recompiling them, but I still wouldnt call them Zaurus apps |
| 02:27.03 | CodeYoddler | Hanoi rules |
| 02:35.12 | pyromance | Holy Netsplit Batman! |
| 02:36.48 | ljp | hey! a human! |
| 02:36.56 | pyromance | Not really |
| 02:36.56 | pyromance | hehe |
| 02:37.23 | ljp | all the sudden I felt like I was all alone |
| 02:40.10 | pyromance | The life of any Linux geek |
| 02:41.16 | George- | hrmm |
| 02:41.17 | George- | Weird |
| 02:41.36 | George- | all the other channels have had the people reconnect |
| 02:41.36 | George- | but this one? oh no |
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| 02:53.57 | CodeYoddler | Does Zaurus come with a terminal/console program? |
| 02:54.01 | George- | yes |
| 02:56.13 | CodeYoddler | Is 128mb SD card enough for OZ? |
| 02:57.18 | George- | YES |
| 02:57.24 | George- | woops |
| 02:57.29 | George- | 4am |
| 02:57.32 | George- | I'm going to bed |
| 02:57.39 | CodeYoddler | Are you required to have storage card? |
| 02:57.42 | CodeYoddler | good night |
| 02:58.08 | George- | READ THE FAQ |
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| 03:02.53 | treke|home | CodeYoddler: yes |
| 03:03.01 | treke|home | CodeYoddler: you need a copmpact flash card |
| 03:03.13 | CodeYoddler | Dammit |
| 03:03.22 | CodeYoddler | Do you always need to have the CF in there |
| 03:03.27 | treke|home | no |
| 03:03.37 | CodeYoddler | So only for installation? |
| 03:03.45 | treke|home | installation |
| 03:03.54 | treke|home | dont just borrow someone elses. buy one |
| 03:04.42 | George- | a 32MB CF card is like, 10 USD these days |
| 03:04.43 | George- | heh |
| 03:04.53 | CodeYoddler | I already have a 128mb one |
| 03:04.59 | CodeYoddler | And a 32mb |
| 03:05.11 | CodeYoddler | But I might give one away when I sell my Pocket PC |
| 03:05.24 | George- | treke|home: btw - kergoth said it was possible to flash off SD |
| 03:05.27 | treke|home | whatever floats your boat |
| 03:05.36 | treke|home | George-: yes it is, but it isnt wise :) |
| 03:05.44 | George- | treke|home: I know :) |
| 03:06.00 | George- | treke|home: ie - THIS IS TOTALLY UNSUPPORTED. IT IS 99% GUARANTEED TO BRICK YOUR Z! :) |
| 03:06.49 | treke|home | George-: if he/she knows enough to be able to understand the risk and follow instructions, he/she ought to be bright enough to find the info on his own |
| 03:07.30 | George- | treke|home: heh |
| 03:08.20 | CodeYoddler | George-: I submitted the acronyms of wisdom to bash.org |
| 03:08.24 | CodeYoddler | #89197 |
| 03:08.38 | George- | ... |
| 03:09.24 | George- | Quote #89197 does not exist. |
| 03:09.39 | CodeYoddler | Yeah, it takes a while to get on there |
| 03:10.21 | ljp | George-: you dont know what your talking about |
| 03:10.36 | pyromance | George never knows what he is talking about |
| 03:10.43 | George- | ljp: I know, that's the great thing :)) |
| 03:10.59 | ljp | hmm |
| 03:11.09 | pyromance | #31337 |
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| 03:11.44 | George- | <ohm> damn |
| 03:11.44 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.44 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.44 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.44 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.46 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.48 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.52 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.27 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 03:12.33 | pyromance | I am building a computer for my grandparents |
| 03:12.37 | pyromance | Remind me to BREAK AIM |
| 03:14.01 | George- | <mage> what should I give sister for unzipping? |
| 03:14.01 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.01 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.12 | George- | these are utter dumbfucks :) |
| 03:14.58 | pyromance | Feeling at home? |
| 03:15.06 | mutexer | heh |
| 03:15.17 | George- | not yet, they're not in my league of stupidity |
| 03:15.36 | pyromance | Yeah... even they know you can't flash from SD |
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| 03:17.08 | George- | hey! |
| 03:17.14 | George- | bastard. |
| 03:18.47 | George- | cya |
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| 03:24.18 | krezel[laptop] | Anybody here familiar with making presentations with OpenOffice? |
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| 03:27.23 | arete | http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/div_bilder/34.html |
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| 03:33.57 | Matthew_I | do I need to compile from the vanilla sources to get this usbdnet driver to work? |
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| 03:37.13 | Com[Plex] | arete, thats fuckign disgusting! |
| 03:38.09 | Matthew_I | krezel[laptop]: you know powerpoint? |
| 03:38.38 | Matthew_I | is it possible that I am maybe "overloading" the usb net |
| 03:39.10 | Matthew_I | because for things like browsing through ftp, and connecting with qtdesktop there are no probs |
| 03:39.29 | Matthew_I | but when I try to transfer files, halfway through the connection is cut |
| 03:40.02 | Matthew_I | by looking at the output from ethereal it seemed my laptop was sending more and more packets, and the zaurus was responding less and less |
| 03:41.39 | Matthew_I | why does opie take a break when I insert my cf card, it just stops for a few secs after telling me it got it |
| 03:41.58 | treke|home | because its busy |
| 03:42.35 | Matthew_I | ahh right... |
| 03:42.50 | Matthew_I | how can I beam to my pc, and to my z |
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| 03:44.25 | Matthew_I | for small text files transfers work |
| 03:44.38 | Matthew_I | but with bigger files my connection gets dropped |
| 03:44.41 | treke|home | Matthew_I: refer to the OpenZaurus faq |
| 03:45.14 | Matthew_I | is sharp comming out with a qt1.6 rom |
| 03:45.39 | treke|home | the new rom is probably still 1.5 based |
| 03:46.14 | ljp | Matthew_I: use ssh, as the ftp thingy in opie is not a ful fledged ftp |
| 03:50.24 | ljp | new sharp rom will be based on opie/openzaurus |
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| 03:51.43 | Matthew_I | ljp: I tried scp, same problem |
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| 04:00.18 | warmi | "Our initial assessment is that they will all die" |
| 04:00.22 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:00.57 | warmi | http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/ |
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| 04:02.45 | treke|home | thats my favorite quote :) |
| 04:04.39 | warmi | well, I keep hearing that this guy has been killed .. |
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| 04:05.07 | treke|home | I hope not |
| 04:05.11 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:05.29 | warmi | "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" |
| 04:05.35 | chouimat | hey warmi |
| 04:05.42 | treke|home | "They think we are retarded - they are retarded." |
| 04:05.43 | warmi | this guy had a unique talent |
| 04:06.14 | warmi | altought I hear that this kind of talk is quite normal over there |
| 04:06.22 | warmi | people are... a bit more animated over there |
| 04:06.33 | warmi | hi chouimat |
| 04:06.35 | Matthew_I | can I beam files to and from my laptop? |
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| 04:11.54 | krezel[laptop] | Theres a word that starts with an "e" that means "to add to to provide greater detail"... what the fuck is it? |
| 04:12.45 | treke|home | elaborate |
| 04:12.47 | jshare | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=elucidate&r=67 |
| 04:13.02 | krezel[laptop] | Yes!! |
| 04:13.06 | krezel[laptop] | I swear to god I speak english |
| 04:13.25 | jshare | which one? |
| 04:13.25 | treke|home | obviouly, you are braver than I am |
| 04:13.48 | krezel[laptop] | I should like sleep or something, then my brain would work |
| 04:15.48 | jshare | which word were you looking for? |
| 04:16.45 | krezel[laptop] | Elaborate |
| 04:16.49 | jshare | oic |
| 04:16.52 | jshare | well, sorry then |
| 04:16.56 | krezel[laptop] | haha its ok |
| 04:18.15 | jshare | i guess elucidate is more about making clearer, rather than about adding detail |
| 04:18.22 | kergoth | win 15 |
| 04:18.25 | kergoth | damn / |
| 04:18.37 | kergoth | i swear i fuck up /win # at least 8 times a day |
| 04:18.59 | chouimat | kergoth: get a real irc client :) |
| 04:19.03 | kergoth | bah |
| 04:20.36 | chouimat | ok I need to finish to build that box and thatt !$%@@$%$$^#^# dns server tomorrow |
| 04:20.56 | chouimat|night | night |
| 04:21.07 | Matthew_I | so you can use /nick to change your name? |
| 04:21.21 | kergoth | uh, google is your friend |
| 04:21.29 | kergoth | this isnt the channel to teach you how to use irc. |
| 04:21.43 | IChangedMyName | right... |
| 04:22.09 | krezel[laptop] | haha |
| 04:22.25 | krezel[laptop] | kergoth: not all of us are as l33t as you :) |
| 04:22.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:22.43 | IChangedMyName | leave kergoth alone, he lacks people skills |
| 04:23.06 | IChangedMyName | but he can sure did make a winner with oz |
| 04:23.09 | IChangedMyName | lovin it |
| 04:23.18 | chouimat|night | actualy kergoth people skills are better than George- ones |
| 04:23.29 | IChangedMyName | gorge is 15 |
| 04:23.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:23.51 | IChangedMyName | open office takes forever to start when you are compling a kernel |
| 04:23.52 | kergoth | what a person needs to realize about me is |
| 04:23.59 | kergoth | you're an idiot until proven otherwise. |
| 04:24.06 | IChangedMyName | guilty |
| 04:24.06 | chouimat|night | lol |
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| 04:24.11 | ChipX86|Coding | good policy. I think we're starting to adopt that in #gaim |
| 04:24.31 | chouimat|night | kergoth: so what are you doing for George-? |
| 04:24.34 | kergoth | ChipX86|Coding: its frightening just how often that assumption is proven true |
| 04:24.40 | ChipX86|Coding | kergoth: definitely |
| 04:24.44 | ChipX86|Coding | kergoth: which category do I fall into? ;) |
| 04:24.48 | IChangedMyName | can some one let me know if they can access docs.zaurus.com (I can't) |
| 04:25.19 | kergoth | ChipX86|Coding: you seem to have a clue |
| 04:25.35 | krezel[laptop] | George- needs to get his ass kicked |
| 04:25.43 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 04:25.52 | kergoth | ibot: seen harlekin |
| 04:25.54 | | harlekin <~max@pD95454E0.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 3d 16h 10m 50s ago, saying: 'irda is just the normal activation via proc'. |
| 04:25.57 | IChangedMyName | george- needs a girlfriend and some time away from his zaurus(es) |
| 04:26.00 | kergoth | hmm, guess he's still gone |
| 04:26.02 | krezel[laptop] | If everyone's willing to chip in a few bucks, I'll fly to england and do it |
| 04:26.21 | chouimat|night | IChangedMyName: he can't have a gf he still doesn't have special hair |
| 04:26.36 | IChangedMyName | ? |
| 04:26.43 | chouimat|night | IChangedMyName: nm |
| 04:26.48 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:26.50 | IChangedMyName | im new here... |
| 04:27.15 | IChangedMyName | ok openoffice is still loading |
| 04:27.27 | ged | is it possible to replace libc6 without seriously breaking OZ? |
| 04:27.37 | chouimat|night | kergoth: just get pissed off by George- and he will put you on ignore :) |
| 04:27.56 | IChangedMyName | I read some where that oo yeild's it processor time under heavy loads |
| 04:28.56 | kergoth | _jumpkick: if you use ipkg upgrade yes, in theory you should be fine |
| 04:29.04 | kergoth | _jumpkick: just dont do something stupid like ipkg remove libc6 |
| 04:29.36 | chouimat|night | kergoth: or rm -r ldd :) |
| 04:29.39 | _jumpkick | so "ipkg install libc6" should be ok? (I'm trying to get libdb.so.2 for Apache) |
| 04:30.04 | kergoth | _jumpkick: yep. where are you getting this libc6 package from? |
| 04:30.43 | _jumpkick | I was thinking Deb/Arm... I don't know if the familiar or OZ ones have libdb.so in them |
| 04:31.15 | kergoth | uh |
| 04:31.19 | Matthew_I | is oz from scratch or based on another distro |
| 04:31.26 | kergoth | libdb is generally packaged seperately, not in libc |
| 04:31.33 | kergoth | .e. libdb1, libdb2, libdb3 |
| 04:31.36 | kergoth | i.e. rather |
| 04:31.36 | _jumpkick | ah |
| 04:31.42 | kergoth | libdb4 |
| 04:31.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:31.50 | kergoth | what version is apache linked against? |
| 04:32.04 | kergoth | Matthew_I: openzaurus is debian based, just like the website says if you'd bother to actually read. |
| 04:32.45 | _jumpkick | 2? I guess... "./httpd: error while loading shared libraries: libdb.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 04:32.49 | chouimat|night | ok I'm off .... night |
| 04:33.10 | kergoth | _jumpkick: yep, you need libdb2. you can grab it from debian/ARM |
| 04:33.16 | Matthew_I | my bad |
| 04:33.24 | kergoth | iirc we have libdb2 and libdb3 in buildroot, but they need updating |
| 04:33.26 | kergoth | i'll look into it |
| 04:33.58 | Matthew_I | kergoth: have you ever used debian to sync with the z? |
| 04:35.24 | kergoth | Matthew_I: define sync. |
| 04:35.38 | kergoth | Matthew_I: i've used both qtopia desktop and kitchensync to sync with my Z from my debian boxes |
| 04:38.44 | Matthew_I | kergoth: hmmm... when I try qtopia desktop or ftp or ssh on any files larger than small text files, the connection just stopps |
| 04:39.08 | _jumpkick | # ipkg install libdb2_2.7.7.0-7_arm.deb |
| 04:39.09 | _jumpkick | ldconfig: No such file or directory |
| 04:39.10 | Matthew_I | kergoth: it is that way with oz, and the sharp rom, I think it is my usbdnet driver |
| 04:39.16 | _jumpkick | should be ok eh? |
| 04:42.18 | Matthew_I | kergoth: what driver and kernel do you use to sync |
| 04:42.31 | kergoth | usbdnet is worthless. |
| 04:42.36 | kergoth | _jumpkick: yep, thats fine |
| 04:42.38 | Matthew_I | figure as much |
| 04:42.42 | Matthew_I | what do I need |
| 04:43.05 | Matthew_I | I have recompiled my kernel about 8 times in the past 3 days trying to get that usbdnet to work |
| 04:43.15 | Matthew_I | same story everytime |
| 04:44.06 | kergoth | read the mailing list archives |
| 04:44.08 | kergoth | you should use usbnet |
| 04:44.23 | kergoth | this has beeen discussed on multiple occasions on both openzaurus-users and zaurus-general |
| 04:44.25 | Matthew_I | kergoth: the one that comes with debian? |
| 04:44.33 | Matthew_I | you have any logs? |
| 04:45.08 | _jumpkick | hmm... "./httpd: /lib/libdb.so.2: version `GLIBC_2.0' not found (required by ./httpd)" |
| 04:45.25 | Matthew_I | why do all the sites like doc.zaurus.com say to use their patched usbdnet? |
| 04:45.36 | Matthew_I | (one site said CDCEther) |
| 04:46.10 | Matthew_I | my usbnet does not load and make the usb0 device |
| 04:46.35 | Matthew_I | you have any patches? |
| 04:51.58 | kergoth | what part of 'read the mailing list archives' did you fail to understand? |
| 04:52.35 | kergoth | usbnet is included in the stock kernel, but only 2.4.21-pre has Z support without needing to patch it |
| 04:53.31 | Matthew_I | I was not aware that those were mailing lists, and mis took them for irc channs |
| 04:53.46 | kergoth | 23:44 <@kergoth> read the mailing list archives |
| 04:57.54 | krezel[laptop] | kergoth: I think from now on, when I'm online, I'll do all the translating for the newbies ;) |
| 04:59.52 | Matthew_I | krezel[laptop]: where can I find the archives |
| 05:00.46 | Matthew_I | found one |
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| 05:00.55 | TCMAN | hi all |
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| 05:09.08 | _jumpkick | ibot: nano |
| 05:09.08 | | _jumpkick: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:09.24 | _jumpkick | did nano ever make it in to OZ? |
| 05:11.57 | TCMAN | there is nanoweb but no nano :) |
| 05:13.01 | krezel[laptop] | There are pico ipkg's |
| 05:13.58 | kergoth | nano's in unstable. |
| 05:14.25 | _jumpkick | kool.. thx |
| 05:16.48 | TCMAN | kergoth: hello |
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| 05:26.43 | _jumpkick | kergoth: don't see it in http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ only nanoweb |
| 05:30.54 | kergoth | then you'll have to wait for the next feed update, must have not been enabled in the last one |
| 05:31.03 | _jumpkick | kk |
| 05:31.03 | [DrEvil] | kergoth |
| 05:31.27 | kergoth | hey [DrEvil] |
| 05:31.33 | kergoth | hows it goin? |
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| 05:31.37 | [DrEvil] | pretty good |
| 05:31.57 | carbon | i'm having difficulty transferring any sort of file over to my newly hard reset 5500 running sharp's os |
| 05:32.25 | _jumpkick | carbon: what are you using to transfer it? |
| 05:32.25 | carbon | it seems there's a chicken and egg problem: it doesn't appear to have any servers, the closest it has is the busybox crappy 'ftp' client.... |
| 05:32.31 | carbon | _jumpkick, anything |
| 05:32.35 | carbon | i used to use ssh |
| 05:32.42 | _jumpkick | you try wget? |
| 05:32.44 | carbon | but the hard reset ended that quickly enough |
| 05:32.48 | carbon | ...it's got wget? |
| 05:32.51 | carbon | i feel like an idiot |
| 05:32.52 | carbon | thanks |
| 05:32.59 | kergoth | its a linux box |
| 05:33.01 | kergoth | just small |
| 05:33.02 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:33.03 | _jumpkick | not sure... OZ busybox does |
| 05:33.21 | carbon | well |
| 05:33.24 | carbon | i'm trying to switch to oz |
| 05:34.10 | _jumpkick | I only had Sharp's ROM for 1 day before I flashed to OZ, so I'm not too sure what's on the sharp rom... I know SSH is not |
| 05:34.19 | _jumpkick | or SSHD |
| 05:34.22 | _jumpkick | I mean |
| 05:35.04 | _jumpkick | hmm... looks like I should not have upgraded ipkg |
| 05:35.28 | _jumpkick | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=4312325 seems to suggest it's better to stick with stable |
| 05:35.32 | _jumpkick | for ipkg |
| 05:35.58 | carbon | nah, it wasnt |
| 05:36.10 | carbon | my friend gave me the zaurus, and at that point, it already had ssh |
| 05:36.38 | carbon | but after a week or so without power, ssh (and all my data) it had no longer |
| 05:37.59 | carbon | i wonder how the 'network install' thing in the package manager works, no documentation for it |
| 05:39.17 | _jumpkick | you add feeds to it |
| 05:39.40 | carbon | yeah, but how are the sources expected to be organized? |
| 05:39.44 | carbon | and what protocol does it use, anyways? |
| 05:40.05 | _jumpkick | feeds are package sites... i.e. http://docs.zaurus.com/feed/ |
| 05:40.10 | carbon | ah, ok |
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| 06:06.27 | carbon | hmm |
| 06:06.41 | carbon | how can i mount a cf card outside qtopia? |
| 06:06.58 | carbon | qtopia sees the card, but i get 'invalid argument' errors from mount |
| 06:07.12 | carbon | when running mount outside qtopia, i mean |
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| 06:31.20 | carbon | hmm... |
| 06:31.27 | carbon | nm, that's happening inside qtopia as well.. |
| 06:32.06 | TCMAN | carbon: what is card and the format of your card ? |
| 06:33.40 | carbon | TCMAN, it's brand new, i haven't been able to mount it yet |
| 06:33.44 | carbon | probably vfat, that's typical |
| 06:33.59 | TCMAN | carbon: could it be unformatted ? |
| 06:34.01 | carbon | marked 'dane-elec' |
| 06:34.10 | carbon | TCMAN, no, then it would be giving me 'bad filesystem' errors |
| 06:34.17 | TCMAN | carbon: what does cardctl ident say ? |
| 06:34.18 | carbon | i suspect the device isn't being connected (i.e. i need to load a module) |
| 06:34.22 | carbon | TCMAN, yeah, it sees it |
| 06:34.41 | TCMAN | carbon: is ide-cs or something loaded ? |
| 06:34.44 | carbon | and stops seeing it when i remove the card |
| 06:34.49 | carbon | so it's really there... |
| 06:34.53 | carbon | hm |
| 06:35.25 | carbon | no such module |
| 06:35.59 | TCMAN | carbon: see if you can cat /dev/hda |
| 06:36.27 | carbon | yep, endless streams of shit |
| 06:36.45 | carbon | but nothing on hda1 |
| 06:36.58 | carbon | perhaps it's partition table is messed up |
| 06:37.08 | TCMAN | carb then the card works |
| 06:37.16 | carbon | TCMAN, 'mount' begs to differ |
| 06:37.33 | carbon | so does mkfs.vfat |
| 06:37.43 | TCMAN | carbon: fdisk /dev/hda :) |
| 06:38.07 | carbon | heh |
| 06:38.14 | carbon | you're forgetting this is sharp's image |
| 06:38.16 | carbon | no such fdisk :-) |
| 06:38.19 | carbon | but i can find it |
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| 06:41.19 | carbon | ah ha |
| 06:41.27 | carbon | didn't have a partition table |
| 06:41.30 | carbon | that did it |
| 06:41.35 | carbon | thanks :-) |
| 06:41.55 | GreyL | hello anyone know a solution to fdisk /dev/mmcda => bus error for OZ 3.2 on a Lexar 128mb? |
| 06:42.36 | GreyL | carbon what was that about no partition table I just joined...what are the chances your answer is mine too |
| 06:42.46 | carbon | ah, no |
| 06:42.52 | carbon | i was fdisking the cf card, not the sd card |
| 06:42.59 | TCMAN | GreyL: no, its busted busybox or something |
| 06:43.16 | TCMAN | GreyL: unaligned memory access or something like that |
| 06:44.29 | carbon | ah, and there it goes |
| 06:44.42 | GreyL | TCMAN: you mean my problem is a busted busybox or carbon's was? |
| 06:45.19 | TCMAN | GreyL: your, i tried fdisk on OZ 3.1 a while ago and it crashed too |
| 06:45.58 | GreyL | damn..I have a CF reader for my laptop but not a SD reader...any way I can download a new fdisk to OZ 3.2 that works? |
| 06:46.02 | TCMAN | GreyL: and it dies in OZ 3.2 too |
| 06:46.31 | GreyL | is it just fdisk or the whole SD? |
| 06:46.32 | TCMAN | GreyL: i think there is linux-utils-fdisk package in the oz feed |
| 06:46.59 | GreyL | I'll try that now...hmm ip forwarding...hmm |
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| 06:56.02 | newbie | thank god for ext3... |
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| 06:59.29 | GreyL | well the util-linux-fdisk didnt solve the prob...still fdisk bus errors |
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| 07:24.05 | darmou | is it a good idea to use ext3 on the Z? |
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| 07:26.59 | carbon | damn |
| 07:27.05 | carbon | i cannot seem to move initrd.bin to the cf |
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| 07:27.07 | carbon | it freezes |
| 07:27.42 | Aimio | what is http://docs.zaurus.com/feed/5500/romupdate.ipk for? |
| 07:28.23 | Aimio | it wouldn't make flash with MMC instead of CF possible ? (long shot) |
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| 07:44.46 | darmou | Aimio no you have to flash with CF. |
| 07:45.11 | darmou | Because I could not boot I have to get a cf card reader to put the rom on the cf card. |
| 07:45.45 | darmou | fortunatly I found one that was not too expensive |
| 07:53.19 | carbon | damnit |
| 07:53.23 | carbon | now it cannot see /dev/hda again |
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| 08:17.19 | carbon | oh bugger |
| 08:17.26 | carbon | i don't know what's fucked up |
| 08:17.32 | carbon | i may as well just hard reset this thing again |
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| 08:30.29 | jumpkick | ibot: qpe-mail |
| 08:30.29 | | jumpkick: I give up, what is it? |
| 08:30.35 | jumpkick | ibot: mail |
| 08:30.35 | | from memory, mail is on it's way :-) |
| 08:30.42 | jumpkick | ibot: smtp |
| 08:30.43 | | jumpkick: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 08:32.42 | carbon | ibot, how much zaurus would a zauruschuck chuck if a zauruschuck could chuck zaurus? |
| 08:32.42 | | carbon: You are moron #1 |
| 08:32.53 | carbon | thanks |
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| 11:13.50 | Zxcvb | do the zaurus SDL packages support tiny-x as well as opie? |
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| 11:32.02 | Zxcvb | is anyone alive in here? |
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| 11:39.11 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: do you know if the zaurus SDL packages support tiny-x? |
| 11:39.59 | yeiazel | no idea |
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| 11:45.40 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: what zimage are you using? |
| 11:46.02 | yeiazel | oz 3.1rc3.1 32-0 |
| 11:46.21 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: would you use 64-0 if you could? |
| 11:46.33 | yeiazel | yes |
| 11:46.46 | yeiazel | 'cause I have a 256 MB SD dedicated to apps |
| 11:47.00 | yeiazel | (and to user data) |
| 11:47.21 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: is 128MB enough to use 64-0? |
| 11:47.32 | yeiazel | yes ! |
| 11:47.39 | yeiazel | 64 MB are enough |
| 11:47.40 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: assuming multimedia (divx, most mp3, etc) is on CF? |
| 11:47.53 | yeiazel | and 32 MB are enough too |
| 11:48.29 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: too bad prboom doesn't support a gzipped wad file |
| 11:48.38 | yeiazel | :) |
| 11:48.45 | yeiazel | never tried it |
| 11:49.31 | Zxcvb | never tried prboom? |
| 11:49.41 | yeiazel | no |
| 11:50.48 | Zxcvb | it is doom |
| 11:51.00 | George- | *yawn* |
| 11:52.07 | yeiazel | I know |
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| 12:12.29 | George- | I'm an obsessive compulsive sadomasochistic maniac :) |
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| 12:47.18 | doughecka | hm |
| 12:47.31 | doughecka | getting a better powersupply dint make my device flash |
| 12:52.21 | doughecka | and sharp never replied |
| 12:52.23 | doughecka | :( |
| 12:52.51 | George- | Sniper came on yesterday |
| 12:52.56 | George- | perhaps he'll be on today |
| 12:52.56 | doughecka | oh? |
| 12:53.00 | doughecka | cool |
| 12:53.03 | doughecka | ~seen sniper |
| 12:53.07 | | sniper <~Sniper@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 16h 59m 42s ago, saying: 'wow.. this place is getting heated'. |
| 12:54.20 | doughecka | hmm |
| 12:54.24 | George- | woot |
| 12:54.27 | George- | my IRC server works :P |
| 12:54.31 | doughecka | hah |
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| 12:57.58 | doughecka | hm |
| 12:58.03 | doughecka | sharpsec? |
| 12:58.56 | Twiun | doughecka: Sniper's a Sharp employee |
| 12:59.02 | doughecka | yea |
| 12:59.30 | doughecka | sharpsec must be the companys internet connection |
| 12:59.43 | Twiun | doughecka: we know so :) |
| 13:00.19 | George- | Twiun: hi! |
| 13:00.30 | Twiun | George-: Ho! |
| 13:00.50 | doughecka | HI |
| 13:01.09 | George- | running killall ircd and watching everyone get thrown off is nifty :) |
| 13:01.31 | Twiun | George-: do grow up :) |
| 13:01.45 | doughecka | lol |
| 13:01.49 | doughecka | nifty |
| 13:01.49 | doughecka | lol |
| 13:02.10 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:05.48 | George- | Twiun: are you an illegal immigrant? :) |
| 13:06.49 | Twiun | George-: 15 years resident, more than you! |
| 13:06.49 | George- | hrmm |
| 13:06.49 | doughecka | from where? |
| 13:06.55 | doughecka | das moon? |
| 13:08.36 | George- | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 13:08.43 | George- | It's gonna cost them £800 to fix my laptop |
| 13:08.44 | George- | ROFL |
| 13:09.10 | Zxcvb | George-: might be cheaper to replace it |
| 13:09.19 | George- | Zxcvb: I'm not paying for it :) |
| 13:09.45 | George- | Zxcvb: note, I said it's going to cost *them* |
| 13:09.46 | George- | :P |
| 13:09.49 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 13:10.40 | pyromance | If OpenZaurus is going to be ported to non-Z devices and they want a combination of the words "Open" and "Imbedded" with a twist... they can call it ImbedPan |
| 13:11.37 | George- | wth |
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| 13:12.35 | George- | ahh, the bliss of screwing big companies that screw me |
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| 13:18.23 | doughecka | lol |
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| 13:21.12 | doughecka | (hic) |
| 13:22.17 | pHluid | heh |
| 13:22.25 | pHluid | the worldtime app is the coolest little thing ever. |
| 13:22.38 | doughecka | oh, is that it? |
| 13:22.45 | pHluid | oh no |
| 13:22.49 | doughecka | the sattellite tracking software looks the same |
| 13:22.50 | pHluid | There is satellite tracking software |
| 13:22.57 | doughecka | yea |
| 13:22.59 | pHluid | I was just saying, the worldtime app is awesome. |
| 13:23.04 | doughecka | ah |
| 13:23.06 | pHluid | "I'm about.. hrm, HERE" |
| 13:23.16 | pHluid | "Pyungyang, Thailand - 22:54" |
| 13:23.20 | doughecka | lol |
| 13:23.21 | pHluid | "woot" |
| 13:25.07 | doughecka | whats that website that has the insides of the zaurus? |
| 13:26.22 | doughecka | hmm |
| 13:26.37 | doughecka | I suppose its my CF card thats not flashing my Z |
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| 13:26.55 | doughecka | WHERES SNIPER! |
| 13:26.58 | doughecka | ;) |
| 13:27.09 | George- | doughecka: probably sleeping? |
| 13:27.15 | doughecka | hm |
| 13:27.20 | doughecka | its only 9 |
| 13:27.33 | pHluid | Man, I'm really curious to see benchmarks of a 5500 vs. a 5600 |
| 13:27.57 | doughecka | lol |
| 13:28.00 | mark | George-: is it fixed? |
| 13:28.03 | doughecka | whats wrong with it? |
| 13:28.08 | George- | doughecka: everything. |
| 13:28.21 | George- | doughecka: so far I've eaten thru 2 LCDs, 2 CD-RW/DVD drives, 1 battery, 1 casing, 1 set of hinges, 1 PSU :) |
| 13:29.02 | doughecka | wow |
| 13:29.09 | doughecka | a G4 powerbook? |
| 13:29.56 | doughecka | silly british and thems macintoshes |
| 13:32.20 | George- | doughecka: how'd you know it was a G4 powerbook? |
| 13:32.31 | yeiazel | doughecka: will a 386 sx 12 fit your needs ? :) |
| 13:32.38 | doughecka | George-: you told me |
| 13:32.44 | doughecka | yeiazel: hmmmm |
| 13:32.45 | George- | oh |
| 13:32.48 | doughecka | does it run linux? |
| 13:32.52 | George- | doughecka: It's an evil laptop |
| 13:32.57 | George- | doughecka: you DON'T want a tibook |
| 13:33.00 | George- | doughecka: I'm not joking |
| 13:33.06 | yeiazel | doughecka: yes |
| 13:33.07 | George- | doughecka: 10 weeks in repair so far |
| 13:33.24 | doughecka | wow |
| 13:33.35 | doughecka | yeiazel: then no |
| 13:33.36 | doughecka | :P |
| 13:34.34 | doughecka | George-: hmm, why did ya get one |
| 13:34.48 | yeiazel | :) |
| 13:35.07 | doughecka | I wont get a mac or run linux till they can run all the windows games |
| 13:37.31 | George- | doughecka: because I was crazy |
| 13:39.21 | pyromance | OK |
| 13:39.34 | pyromance | So I got "Leather Goddesses of Phobos" running on my Z |
| 13:39.46 | phoen][x | lol |
| 13:39.46 | cynTop | hahaha |
| 13:39.54 | pyromance | Sad thing is that the Z has a lot more power than the original machine on which I ran "Leather Goddesses of Phobos" |
| 13:41.30 | phoen][x | the Z? power? thats blasphemy |
| 13:42.00 | George- | Phobos? |
| 13:42.05 | George- | That's Greek for Fear |
| 13:42.51 | pyromance | phoen][x: The machine I had my Infocom games on was a 286 12 MHz |
| 13:42.57 | cynTop | take it to the bathroom and leave us out of it |
| 13:44.19 | George- | What's the Leather Goddesses of Phobos? |
| 13:44.34 | mark | why does George- have to show off that he knows what 'phobos' means in greek? |
| 13:44.43 | phoen][x | pyromance: eek |
| 13:53.32 | doughecka | I know it too |
| 13:53.38 | doughecka | it means... |
| 13:53.42 | doughecka | ummmm, fear |
| 13:53.44 | doughecka | yea! |
| 13:53.51 | George- | y'wot |
| 13:53.59 | doughecka | lol |
| 13:56.56 | CuCullin | well, I have a Z again |
| 13:57.08 | doughecka | http://www.tabletpcdeveloper.com/ |
| 13:57.53 | CuCullin | now Im 2 accessories away from being fully up again, and I'll probably buy some SD for the hell of it... then I'm all set :) Btw, has anyone used their Z to wirelessly control a serial port on a desktop? |
| 13:58.09 | doughecka | ooh |
| 13:58.17 | doughecka | that would be so cool |
| 13:58.22 | CuCullin | yes it would :) |
| 13:58.24 | doughecka | what are you controlling? |
| 13:58.54 | CuCullin | well, what I would like to control is a little custom electronics... im considering using it to remotely start my car :) |
| 13:59.00 | doughecka | HAHA |
| 13:59.01 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:59.52 | CuCullin | im buying a new(er) car, I have an 83MB, I'm waiting to see if I can get a 91 (don't know if it will be for sale just yet), and I have a pc im waiting to put in there, lcd and all |
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| 14:00.06 | doughecka | cool |
| 14:00.08 | doughecka | m |
| 14:00.10 | doughecka | hmm |
| 14:00.11 | CuCullin | linux install, of course, but not your typical carputer... i plan on loading it up |
| 14:00.31 | CuCullin | so... thats one of my f'd up ideas, to use the Z to handle remote start :) |
| 14:00.39 | doughecka | hehe |
| 14:00.43 | CuCullin | hehe |
| 14:01.49 | doughecka | drats |
| 14:01.50 | doughecka | dint work |
| 14:02.37 | George- | rofl |
| 14:02.38 | pHluid | CuCullin: I actually thought about using an IrDA reciever attached to a serial port as a remote for my TV tuner, seems like the two ideas would be similiar |
| 14:02.49 | George- | a "whodunnit" on TV where someone murdered someone else with a fish |
| 14:02.50 | George- | rofl |
| 14:02.57 | doughecka | haha |
| 14:03.08 | George- | Brings a whole new light to the IRC term "slaps foo around a bit with a fish" |
| 14:03.11 | George- | ;) |
| 14:03.46 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:03.51 | mark | yep, and that 'foo' is nearly always you, George- |
| 14:04.14 | doughecka | mark: awww, that was cheap :P |
| 14:04.36 | mark | doughecka: yeah, i know, he's got me on ignore though |
| 14:04.41 | doughecka | haha |
| 14:09.42 | cynTop | hey, how is the range on the ir port on the Z |
| 14:09.53 | cynTop | is it a piddly 5ft or does it actually have 10-20 |
| 14:10.12 | doughecka | dunno |
| 14:12.40 | CuCullin | pHluid, *nod* thats a good idea too... could make a nice app to control all the ridiculous numbers of devices that may be there |
| 14:13.02 | CuCullin | pHluid, only problem is, noone else would be able to use it, or you'd have to buy another Z just to be a remote ;) |
| 14:13.18 | doughecka | is tehre any TV remote software for the Z? |
| 14:13.20 | pHluid | Eh... why so? |
| 14:14.25 | cynTop | opie remote |
| 14:14.27 | cynTop | no? |
| 14:14.38 | pHluid | I'd just need an app to be able to send unique 15 or so unique Ir signals, and I'm sure there already is one |
| 14:14.48 | doughecka | cool |
| 14:14.50 | pHluid | It doesn't even matter what they are, as I can teach the recieving desktop |
| 14:15.09 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:15.14 | cynTop | yeah but the range still matters :) |
| 14:15.23 | mark | tiny |
| 14:15.39 | pHluid | http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812/#remote |
| 14:15.40 | pHluid | yah |
| 14:15.43 | pHluid | that would be perfect |
| 14:16.11 | pHluid | Yeh, range would be the only remaining issue |
| 14:17.54 | pHluid | I have no idea what the expected range of the IrDA transmitter would be, and also, it'd be annoying that it's on the fucking side, so I'd have to like, rotate, et |
| 14:18.17 | pHluid | Still though, to be able to sit down and watch tv while playing with my zaurus, then change the channels, and go back to what I was doing would be nice :) |
| 14:19.46 | mark | pHluid: tiny |
| 14:20.12 | pHluid | mark: Tiny as in 2 feet, or tiny as in 10 feet? |
| 14:20.31 | pHluid | Keep in mind this doesn't have to be the greatest of signals; it's not doing data transmission or anything |
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| 14:22.34 | cynTop | pHluid: yeah I did that with my clie |
| 14:22.39 | cynTop | clie's now my fiance's tho heh |
| 14:22.43 | mark | pHluid: closer to 2 i think |
| 14:22.57 | pHluid | hrm |
| 14:23.00 | pHluid | Why so short ;[ |
| 14:23.08 | cynTop | greater range takes more power |
| 14:23.12 | cynTop | irda is pretty slow |
| 14:23.20 | pHluid | Even my $10 Creative remote running on a watch battery can hit the reciever no prob from 15 feet |
| 14:23.43 | cynTop | for what it's meant for, beaming between devices, you shouldn't need more than 2 ft - the idea being that the devices can be moved |
| 14:24.11 | cynTop | why waste 6x the power to beam 200k (which would take like 40+ seconds) when you don't gotta |
| 14:24.21 | pHluid | You'd think it'd be much higher power, and thus greater range, than a remote, though, since it IS designed for beaming between devices |
| 14:24.32 | pHluid | you'd want a very strong signal for like, PPP over IrDA |
| 14:25.03 | cynTop | you do have a strong signal |
| 14:25.06 | cynTop | within those 2 feet |
| 14:25.36 | pHluid | So I would imagine that while it may only be useful for about 2 feet for data transmission, a signal should be recievable much further away than that |
| 14:25.47 | pHluid | cynTop: wtf is it, a light saber or something? :P |
| 14:25.49 | cynTop | the short of it is they're made for different things - some laptops irda ports can't even send remote control codes because they can't send the proper wavelengths |
| 14:25.56 | pHluid | Signal quality degrades, it doesn't just stop |
| 14:26.08 | cynTop | it's sending in a wider arc too remember |
| 14:26.23 | pHluid | Hrm, you think so? |
| 14:26.31 | cynTop | wider than most remotes |
| 14:26.38 | pHluid | Seems like it'd be narrower, if anything, since it is designed for device -> device transmission |
| 14:26.38 | cynTop | but seriously |
| 14:26.42 | cynTop | you don't need "a strong signal" |
| 14:26.44 | cynTop | you need a signal |
| 14:26.50 | cynTop | just like a tv needs to recieve a signal |
| 14:27.17 | cynTop | they don't feed it a boatload of power just to ensure your beam happens 3 seconds faster and only consumes 3x as much power :) |
| 14:27.34 | pHluid | Not following what you mean there |
| 14:27.41 | cynTop | so the long of it, is a remote control sends a signal that's still distinguishable up to, say, 15 feet |
| 14:27.54 | cynTop | and the zaurus sends one that's still distinguishable at X feet, prolly around 2 or 3 |
| 14:28.06 | cynTop | just differenthardware for different purposes |
| 14:28.36 | cynTop | tho the existance of opie-remote makes me hopeful that it's more than 2 or 3 feet, I haven't really tried it out yet |
| 14:28.38 | pHluid | I don't see why you you'd think it would consume the embedded equivalent of a fission reaction to send an IrDA beam |
| 14:28.46 | cynTop | I didn't say it would |
| 14:28.52 | cynTop | ok lemme put it this way |
| 14:28.55 | cynTop | a tv remote control |
| 14:28.55 | pHluid | As I said, my current remote runs on a freaking watch battery |
| 14:28.57 | cynTop | you tap a button |
| 14:29.04 | cynTop | it sends a signal for no time at all |
| 14:29.06 | cynTop | just a brief flash |
| 14:29.13 | cynTop | an irda is back and forth constant communication |
| 14:29.33 | cynTop | irda transfer of like 30k is like a months worth of remote flipping |
| 14:29.51 | cynTop | more or less depending on tv habits |
| 14:30.36 | pHluid | Right, but on the flip side you'd want an intense signal for reliable data transmission |
| 14:30.40 | cynTop | it's just a much busier, noisier method of beaming - since it's 2 way and needs to send *actual* data, not just like, one of 40 different codes |
| 14:30.49 | cynTop | not neccessary |
| 14:30.52 | cynTop | these are mobile devices |
| 14:31.01 | cynTop | if you can't beam it at 10 feet, move closer |
| 14:31.20 | cynTop | that's the crux of it, there's no design need for distance |
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| 14:31.58 | pHluid | True, but what I'm saying is that while reliable data transmission may only occur at 2 ft, I'd expect there to be a readable signal much further away than that |
| 14:31.59 | cynTop | you don't get a lot of changing ir interference at any given moment |
| 14:32.19 | cynTop | but *I* am telling you that reliable data transmission happens up to the readable signal |
| 14:32.31 | cynTop | as long as the signal can be read, you're getting transmission |
| 14:32.52 | cynTop | irda falls off prolly like 1ft before the readable signal does, unless you get a really good reciever |
| 14:32.52 | pHluid | So you're saying IR doesn't disappate |
| 14:32.55 | pHluid | It simply stops? |
| 14:32.58 | cynTop | . |
| 14:33.06 | cynTop | if i answer yes will you go back and actually read what i said |
| 14:33.27 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:33.28 | cynTop | I'm saying there's some magical amazing threshhold when the ir signal is no longer readable |
| 14:33.34 | cynTop | it's just not clean enough |
| 14:33.43 | cynTop | depending on the reciever - that can be further from the zaurus |
| 14:33.54 | George- | --- You are now a deity, be nice or else! |
| 14:33.55 | George- | rofl |
| 14:34.02 | cynTop | but whatever that threshold is at, if you put a reciever just within it, it's perfectly useable as irda or remote or whatever you like |
| 14:34.10 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:35.23 | pHluid | cyn: And I'm going to disagree with you that there's "not a lot of IR interference" at any given time |
| 14:35.31 | cynTop | i didn't say that |
| 14:35.35 | doughecka | hmmn |
| 14:35.40 | doughecka | my Z is missing a screw |
| 14:35.41 | cynTop | I said changing |
| 14:35.50 | cynTop | irda sends signals |
| 14:36.01 | cynTop | so your ir interference is going to be stable at whatever light is present |
| 14:36.07 | pHluid | OK, so let's say the established reliable range for a Z is 2 feet |
| 14:36.15 | cynTop | hypothetically |
| 14:36.18 | pHluid | I'm assuming this range is including direct sunlight, flourescent lighting, etc |
| 14:36.25 | cynTop | naturally |
| 14:36.36 | pHluid | Thus in an area with less of these IR interfering causing devices |
| 14:36.36 | cynTop | you would be able to irda beam up to, say, 5 ft |
| 14:36.38 | cynTop | albeit slowly |
| 14:36.42 | pHluid | You'd naturally expect a longer range |
| 14:37.00 | pHluid | er, not devices, necessarily, since I can't rightly refer to the sun as a "device" :) |
| 14:37.13 | doughecka | lol |
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| 14:37.28 | cynTop | yes in a completely dark room I would expect irda's range to be improved somewhat |
| 14:37.39 | pHluid | Well there you |
| 14:37.41 | pHluid | ... go |
| 14:37.45 | pHluid | I live in a fucking cave :) |
| 14:37.50 | cynTop | but still not that all that much, because the signal is going to bounce around and interfere |
| 14:37.52 | cynTop | heh |
| 14:37.57 | cynTop | well then |
| 14:38.05 | cynTop | you can use opie-remote to turn your tv on |
| 14:38.13 | cynTop | but you'll have to turn it off by hand |
| 14:38.16 | cynTop | hahahaha |
| 14:38.18 | doughecka | oh? |
| 14:38.19 | doughecka | why? |
| 14:38.20 | pHluid | hah |
| 14:38.22 | cynTop | THATS A JOKE SON |
| 14:38.26 | pHluid | I dunno |
| 14:38.27 | cynTop | tv's emit light |
| 14:38.34 | doughecka | haha |
| 14:38.35 | mark | how do you power a Tv in a cave? :) |
| 14:38.36 | pHluid | I'll try it this week and get back to you guys with the results |
| 14:38.37 | cynTop | surely a tv with a car chase is gunna interfere |
| 14:38.44 | doughecka | mark: power over IP |
| 14:38.45 | cynTop | yeah definately pHluid |
| 14:39.13 | mark | doughecka: heh, now that'd be cool :) |
| 14:39.21 | doughecka | yup |
| 14:39.26 | doughecka | they have that too |
| 14:39.29 | pHluid | If it works, and works well, this could open a whole new world of things to me, since I could then use my Zaurus to almost completely control my WinXP box |
| 14:39.30 | pHluid | heh |
| 14:39.44 | doughecka | WOO! linux controlling WINDOWS! |
| 14:39.46 | mark | doughecka: power over 802.11g would be even cooler :) |
| 14:39.46 | doughecka | loll |
| 14:39.56 | doughecka | mark: hmm, self powered pdas! |
| 14:39.59 | pHluid | At least as far as running apps and such goes |
| 14:40.28 | doughecka | brb |
| 14:40.32 | cynTop | yeah I have 2 ir recievers for ps2 port and 1 for serial port |
| 14:40.36 | cynTop | I could definately have some fun |
| 14:40.45 | pHluid | Yah, the reciever I'm using is Creative serial port reciever |
| 14:40.50 | pHluid | With Girder as the software |
| 14:41.24 | pHluid | Right now it's using the Creative remote, with tv tuner, wmp, winamp, and powerdvd configurations available on it, all launchable and controllable from the remote |
| 14:41.43 | George- | whoa |
| 14:41.46 | pHluid | If I could accomplish that with the Z (Like, if opie-remote supports profiles) I'd never have to get out of bed again. |
| 14:41.46 | George- | There's a "SeenServ" |
| 14:41.53 | George- | ./msg SeenServ seen foo |
| 14:41.53 | George- | :) |
| 14:42.20 | cynTop | yeah there's a dropdown for 'which remote' |
| 14:42.36 | pHluid | Of course, were I not so goddamn cheap, I could simply go with an 802.11b CF card + WAP and VNC to the Win box, but. |
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| 14:44.12 | knoppix__ | ok, I am gonna reformat my CF card |
| 14:44.16 | knoppix__ | how do I do that |
| 14:45.07 | knoppix__ | how do I mount it? |
| 14:45.42 | CuCullin | thats disgusting. |
| 14:45.51 | knoppix__ | why? |
| 14:46.18 | George- | CuCullin: you sick bastard |
| 14:46.19 | George- | :P |
| 14:46.23 | CuCullin | :) |
| 14:47.02 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 14:47.11 | George- | --- George- :*** Notice -- Server is currently split, channel modes are limited |
| 14:47.12 | George- | blah |
| 14:47.18 | George- | How the hell can it be split?!?! |
| 14:47.21 | George- | There's *one* server |
| 14:47.35 | phoen][x | lol |
| 14:47.38 | dougheckaa | hahahahahaha |
| 14:47.47 | CuCullin | dougheckaa, it will mount automatically, atleast it should |
| 14:47.56 | dougheckaa | hm |
| 14:48.06 | George- | any dancer-ircd gurus here? |
| 14:48.08 | dougheckaa | in knoppix? |
| 14:48.25 | CuCullin | oh. |
| 14:48.38 | CuCullin | dunno then :) |
| 14:48.44 | George- | dougheckaa: what type of cf reader do you have? |
| 14:49.01 | dougheckaa | dunno |
| 14:49.04 | dougheckaa | plain |
| 14:49.05 | dougheckaa | cheap |
| 14:49.08 | George- | for gods sake |
| 14:49.12 | George- | USB? PCMCIA? |
| 14:49.15 | George- | SERIAL? |
| 14:49.15 | dougheckaa | USB! |
| 14:49.16 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 14:49.17 | George- | ok |
| 14:49.22 | George- | modprobe usb-storage |
| 14:49.24 | dougheckaa | no name on it |
| 14:49.28 | George- | and the CF card should then be on /dev/sda |
| 14:49.36 | George- | be warned |
| 14:49.41 | George- | usb-storage is evil |
| 14:49.44 | dougheckaa | oh? |
| 14:49.44 | George- | it's very buggy |
| 14:49.59 | zoid | i've had no problems with my cf reader and usb-storage |
| 14:50.16 | dougheckaa | hmm |
| 14:50.21 | George- | zoid: kergoth says it's buggy :P |
| 14:50.21 | dougheckaa | maybe sudo would help |
| 14:50.33 | zoid | George-: :) |
| 14:50.35 | dougheckaa | oh my, if kergoth says it, it must be true |
| 14:50.39 | George- | zoid: and I can confirm it's fucked |
| 14:50.44 | zoid | could be...maybe i'm just lucky, heh |
| 14:51.01 | George- | especially when umount goes uninterruptable |
| 14:51.07 | George- | that *really* annoys me |
| 14:51.17 | dougheckaa | mount /dev/sda |
| 14:51.19 | dougheckaa | ? |
| 14:51.21 | zoid | i've had that on my cd-rw drive before |
| 14:51.34 | dougheckaa | dont work |
| 14:51.34 | zoid | have to reboot in order to kill the process |
| 14:51.50 | George- | dougheckaa: MAN MOUNT |
| 14:51.54 | zoid | heh |
| 14:52.00 | dougheckaa | hrm |
| 14:52.05 | zoid | dougheckaa: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash |
| 14:52.10 | zoid | do mkdir /mnt/flash first though |
| 14:52.27 | dougheckaa | ah |
| 14:52.28 | dougheckaa | ok |
| 14:52.40 | dougheckaa | hmm |
| 14:52.42 | dougheckaa | dumb |
| 14:52.50 | dougheckaa | man software... cant quir |
| 14:53.09 | dougheckaa | ooh, control Z |
| 14:53.15 | zoid | heh |
| 14:53.24 | zoid | that just puts it in the background |
| 14:53.27 | dougheckaa | oh? |
| 14:53.38 | zoid | yep |
| 14:53.41 | zoid | run fg |
| 14:53.53 | George- | dougheckaa: man man |
| 14:53.55 | dougheckaa | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block devi |
| 14:53.58 | George- | dougheckaa: man less |
| 14:53.59 | George- | dougheckaa: man more |
| 14:54.04 | George- | dougheckaa: man mount |
| 14:54.07 | zoid | dougheckaa: then it must not be there, heh |
| 14:54.11 | zoid | try sdb1 |
| 14:54.19 | zoid | you sure it's recognized? |
| 14:54.23 | George- | zoid: doubt it'd be sdb1 |
| 14:54.23 | dougheckaa | nope |
| 14:54.26 | zoid | try lsusb |
| 14:54.29 | zoid | George-: mine is :) |
| 14:54.31 | George- | zoid: prolly usb-storage didn't notice it |
| 14:54.37 | dougheckaa | huh |
| 14:55.40 | George- | DIE!" |
| 14:56.05 | George- | --- You can't do that, you're no deity |
| 14:56.06 | George- | --- George- sets mode +o George- |
| 14:56.06 | George- | --- You are now a deity, be nice or else! |
| 14:56.07 | George- | hahaha |
| 14:56.16 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 14:59.39 | cynTop | you don't want it mounted if you're formatting |
| 14:59.45 | dougheckaa | oh? |
| 14:59.47 | dougheckaa | hmm |
| 14:59.51 | dougheckaa | so how do I format? |
| 15:00.18 | cynTop | George-: the umount is uninterruptable because the writes are buffered |
| 15:00.23 | cynTop | you format the device |
| 15:00.29 | cynTop | /dev/sda1 or whatever |
| 15:00.30 | dougheckaa | ok... |
| 15:00.32 | dougheckaa | hm |
| 15:00.50 | dougheckaa | format: command not found |
| 15:01.01 | cynTop | George-: so if you write 200 megs to the cf, then go away for a movie, then come home and umount - you gotta wait for it to write the 200 megs |
| 15:01.18 | cynTop | heh |
| 15:01.26 | dougheckaa | huh |
| 15:01.27 | cynTop | do you want it ext2? |
| 15:01.30 | dougheckaa | no |
| 15:01.31 | cynTop | and it's currently vfat |
| 15:01.31 | dougheckaa | FAT16 |
| 15:01.36 | cynTop | it should already be |
| 15:01.37 | dougheckaa | so I can flash |
| 15:01.38 | George- | cynTop: no, it crashes at uninterruptable. |
| 15:01.43 | dougheckaa | I want to make sure its FAT16 |
| 15:01.46 | cynTop | George-: ah, never had a problem |
| 15:01.50 | George- | cynTop: and it's totally fubar at that point |
| 15:01.59 | cynTop | dougheckaa: fdisk /dev/sda then 'p' for print partition table |
| 15:02.03 | treke | mkfs not format |
| 15:02.11 | dougheckaa | ah |
| 15:02.21 | George- | --- Closing Link: George- (Killed (George- (blah))) |
| 15:02.22 | cynTop | or you could just mount it and see the mounted filesystem type heh |
| 15:02.24 | George- | my god, this is fun |
| 15:02.28 | dougheckaa | Unable to open /dev/sda1 |
| 15:02.49 | dougheckaa | huh |
| 15:02.51 | dougheckaa | lemme reboot |
| 15:02.52 | treke | dunno. is you scsi card set up? |
| 15:02.52 | cynTop | this is a usb cf reader on your desktop, correct - and you insmodded the modules? |
| 15:02.55 | dougheckaa | with the card in |
| 15:03.00 | cynTop | won't help any |
| 15:03.06 | dougheckaa | treke: SCSI! dont make me throw up |
| 15:03.16 | cynTop | it's going to be using scsi emulation |
| 15:03.32 | dougheckaa | cynTop: dunno, it supposedly supports it by default |
| 15:03.35 | dougheckaa | k |
| 15:03.38 | dougheckaa | let me reboot anyway |
| 15:03.39 | dougheckaa | brb |
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| 15:06.36 | doughecka | ok... |
| 15:06.38 | doughecka | heres a clue |
| 15:06.48 | doughecka | all my usb devices dont even light up |
| 15:06.56 | doughecka | my mouse should have been a clue |
| 15:06.59 | treke | then your usb modules arent installed |
| 15:07.22 | cynTop | modprobe mousedev |
| 15:07.34 | Wintre | ibot howot |
| 15:07.35 | | Wintre: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 15:07.35 | Wintre | ibot howto |
| 15:07.36 | | i heard howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
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| 15:07.51 | dougheckaa | huh |
| 15:08.01 | cynTop | type 'modprobe mousedev' as root |
| 15:08.21 | dougheckaa | I did |
| 15:08.22 | dougheckaa | bah |
| 15:08.23 | dougheckaa | brb |
| 15:08.49 | dougheckaa | bah, I have to go.. |
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| 15:16.31 | doughecka | Now in Windows XP any removable device of 32 megs |
| 15:16.31 | doughecka | or smaller automatically gets FAT12 when you format |
| 15:16.31 | doughecka | it. |
| 15:16.43 | doughecka | would that be a problem? |
| 15:16.57 | treke | no |
| 15:17.02 | doughecka | huh |
| 15:17.24 | treke | FAT12 wouldnt be a problem |
| 15:17.38 | doughecka | hrm |
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| 15:21.37 | warmi | hi |
| 15:21.49 | mark | hi warmi |
| 15:24.14 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:24.22 | doughecka | hey |
| 15:24.22 | cynTop | ahoy hoy |
| 15:24.26 | doughecka | is for horses |
| 15:25.44 | George- | lilo is god |
| 15:25.50 | George- | hey warmi |
| 15:26.15 | George- | kergoth: heya |
| 15:28.59 | doughecka | I like grub better |
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| 15:37.51 | chouimat | hi |
| 15:41.06 | phoen][x | lo chouimat |
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| 16:55.52 | Tark|WK | Anyone in the UK |
| 16:56.12 | CuCullin | not me |
| 16:56.34 | Tark|WK | just wondering if their was going to be a new rom for the SL5500 |
| 16:56.38 | noidd | yes |
| 16:56.42 | Tark|WK | really |
| 16:56.46 | noidd | yes, Really |
| 16:57.00 | Tark|WK | your saying yes to the rom question |
| 16:57.15 | noidd | no, I'm saying yes to the "In the UK" question |
| 16:57.19 | Tark|WK | oh cool |
| 16:57.21 | George- | yes |
| 16:57.23 | George- | I'm in the UK |
| 16:57.33 | noidd | no, the UK is a shithole, I can't wait to leave |
| 16:57.39 | Tark|WK | so what haooing with the SL5500 is sharp pulling out of it |
| 16:57.59 | Tark|WK | happing i mean |
| 16:58.08 | George- | noidd: you bastard! |
| 16:58.18 | George- | Tark|WK: run OZ |
| 16:58.44 | Tark|WK | i hear their is a lot off bugs in that |
| 16:59.13 | George- | kergoth: educate this person |
| 16:59.22 | George- | ;) |
| 16:59.41 | kergoth | Tark|WK: you think there isnt a lot of bugs in Sharp? |
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| 17:00.01 | George- | kergoth: thanks :) |
| 17:00.09 | kergoth | np |
| 17:00.17 | George- | kergoth: I knew you'd do a better job than me :P |
| 17:00.42 | Tark|WK | so the new 3.2 is worth it |
| 17:01.15 | kergoth | i'll let someone else field that one. it is in my opinion, but i've despised embedix since the beginning |
| 17:01.21 | George- | Tark|WK: plus, OZ will have a decent kernel Real Soon :) |
| 17:01.24 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 17:01.29 | noidd | Tark: yes. |
| 17:01.49 | George- | Tark|WK: well, basically, OZ totally rocks and you should get out of your Sharp ROM world :P |
| 17:02.03 | George- | kergoth: haven't we *all* despised embedix from the beginning? |
| 17:02.10 | George- | wb Neo|Work |
| 17:03.01 | Neo|Work | hey |
| 17:03.12 | Tark|WK | yeah but i here a new sharp rom out soon |
| 17:03.17 | noidd | Tark: we think its worth migrating |
| 17:03.19 | Tark|WK | based on opie6 |
| 17:03.27 | noidd | Tark: really? first i've heard |
| 17:03.31 | kergoth | opie6? |
| 17:03.37 | noidd | Tark: you should ask on #zaurus, they would know |
| 17:03.39 | kergoth | uhh, a new sharp rom will likely run qtopia 1.5.2 |
| 17:03.44 | CuCullin | George-, gotta get a card first :) I think I'll pick up SD, so I can use my CF cards at the same time... is $50 a decent price for 128mb SD? |
| 17:03.45 | kergoth | noidd: this is #zaurus |
| 17:03.50 | kergoth | ~lart noidd for being in the wrong chan |
| 17:04.27 | noidd | ~lart kergoth for not recognising humour |
| 17:04.45 | noidd | grits, yuck |
| 17:04.45 | George- | opie6? |
| 17:04.51 | George- | noidd: you idiot :P |
| 17:05.04 | noidd | just cos you don't know what gritz are George |
| 17:05.14 | George- | do I want to know? |
| 17:05.19 | Tark|WK | yeah one sec i will find the link |
| 17:05.24 | George- | CuCullin: wth are you talking about? |
| 17:05.25 | CuCullin | corn. |
| 17:05.28 | noidd | George: not sure, |
| 17:05.36 | George- | noidd: well, chances are I don't :) |
| 17:05.38 | noidd | George: a typical Brit will hate it |
| 17:05.44 | CuCullin | George-, talking about getting out of the sharp rom world |
| 17:05.54 | Tark|WK | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=2093&s=7209bdf7c8f90940e227f8d10f852a28 |
| 17:05.55 | George- | CuCullin: you have a 5600 ? |
| 17:06.02 | CuCullin | and whether or not $50 is a good price for 128mb SD |
| 17:06.05 | CuCullin | 5500 |
| 17:06.09 | noidd | George: Corn is nor a normal foodstuff here, no cornbread, gritz etc... very unusual taste and texture to a brit |
| 17:06.14 | George- | Tark|WK: I can tell you definitely the next sharp rom will NOT be based on opie6 :) |
| 17:06.32 | kergoth | Tark|WK: yes.. and? |
| 17:06.43 | Tark|WK | yep my mistake it will be based on Opera 6 |
| 17:06.43 | kergoth | Tark|WK: it'll be coser to the 5600, whcih iirc runs qtopia 1.5.2 |
| 17:06.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:06.51 | kergoth | its not based on a browser |
| 17:06.55 | kergoth | it includes a browser |
| 17:07.01 | George- | CuCullin: you do realise it's unwise to flash off SD on 5500? |
| 17:07.10 | Tark|WK | i am on drugs. sorry guys |
| 17:07.11 | CuCullin | goddamnit |
| 17:07.16 | CuCullin | no, I wasnt aware |
| 17:07.22 | Tark|WK | read the link its all in their |
| 17:07.24 | Tark|WK | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=2093&s=7209bdf7c8f90940e227f8d10f852a28 |
| 17:07.41 | CuCullin | maybe ill get a small cf card for flashing and SD for regular use |
| 17:07.41 | Tark|WK | just want to see if it is true or not |
| 17:07.44 | George- | Tark|WK: you realise that thread is dated April 1st? |
| 17:08.14 | George- | :) |
| 17:08.14 | Tark|WK | yes but confirmed by a chap called spencer who is a developer |
| 17:08.19 | George- | rofl |
| 17:08.23 | George- | Spencer? A developer? :) |
| 17:08.26 | kergoth | Tark|WK: heh |
| 17:08.28 | Tark|WK | and Zaurus room Admin |
| 17:08.32 | kergoth | Tark|WK: spencer's a marketing guy |
| 17:08.37 | kergoth | Tark|WK: not a developer. |
| 17:08.41 | George- | spencer's head of Zaurus marketing :P |
| 17:08.41 | George- | iirc |
| 17:08.48 | Tark|WK | wel not developer |
| 17:08.52 | noidd | ibot, spencer? |
| 17:08.52 | | noidd: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:08.56 | kergoth | ibot: sniper |
| 17:08.57 | | i heard sniper is Sharp's extremely dedicated Sr. Janitor |
| 17:08.59 | kergoth | ^^ |
| 17:09.10 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:09.10 | George- | :) |
| 17:09.10 | Tark|WK | lets just say the cough mixture is very strong |
| 17:09.10 | noidd | thats the one :-) |
| 17:09.25 | kergoth | shit |
| 17:09.31 | kergoth | i have a quarterly goal review today |
| 17:09.36 | kergoth | and i havent done a fucking thing towards my goals |
| 17:09.43 | kergoth | this'll be fun |
| 17:09.54 | George- | goal review? |
| 17:09.58 | noidd | what kinda company do you work for kergoth? |
| 17:10.00 | kergoth | yeah, at work. |
| 17:10.06 | kergoth | noidd: computer hardware company |
| 17:10.09 | George- | noidd: a fascist one |
| 17:10.30 | noidd | gotcha |
| 17:11.43 | George- | hrmm |
| 17:11.53 | kergoth | "So, chris, hows goal #1 coming along?" .. "it isnt." |
| 17:12.01 | George- | rofl |
| 17:12.08 | George- | they call you chris? :P |
| 17:12.13 | George- | not "asshole" or anything? |
| 17:12.41 | kergoth | naw, only my friends call me asshole |
| 17:12.43 | kergoth | :P |
| 17:12.49 | kergoth | well, and people on irc |
| 17:13.06 | noidd | is OZ relevant at all to your job? |
| 17:13.11 | kergoth | nope |
| 17:13.18 | kergoth | company makes serial communications products |
| 17:13.21 | kergoth | i do unix tech support |
| 17:13.35 | George- | kergoth: what *exactly* do you provide tech support for? |
| 17:13.40 | CuCullin | how much mem do I need to flash? |
| 17:13.42 | George- | kergoth: like, "ls" or something? :) |
| 17:13.43 | kergoth | George-: www.digi.com |
| 17:13.46 | noidd | unix, dolt :-P |
| 17:13.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:13.52 | George- | "READ THE FUCKING MANUAL YOU STUPID DUNCE!" |
| 17:14.06 | kergoth | CuCullin: you dont need mem, you need storage space on a cf card |
| 17:14.11 | kergoth | CuCullin: and 16mb is the minimum |
| 17:14.16 | CuCullin | flash mem =P |
| 17:14.29 | CuCullin | k ill get a 32mb then |
| 17:14.29 | CuCullin | brb |
| 17:14.32 | kergoth | its not memory. |
| 17:14.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:14.36 | kergoth | brb, more coffeee |
| 17:14.53 | noidd | hmmm, similer by cyclades |
| 17:14.55 | George- | FLASH != MEMORY |
| 17:15.15 | George- | ahh |
| 17:15.25 | noidd | I wonder if you make stuff similer to their AlterPath stuff |
| 17:16.07 | CuCullin | you store data in memory |
| 17:16.21 | CuCullin | so ill keep calling it flash mem :) |
| 17:16.37 | noidd | ah, no PCI cards, so seems not :-/ |
| 17:16.48 | kergoth | CuCullin: uhh |
| 17:16.52 | CuCullin | because just CF doesnt explain it... because there are CF cards that are devices, not memory |
| 17:17.00 | kergoth | CuCullin: memory is only used for storage when you use a ramdisk. |
| 17:17.14 | kergoth | 'memory' doesnt imply storage. |
| 17:17.27 | George- | CuCullin: you do not store data in memory |
| 17:17.35 | George- | CuCullin: you fool! |
| 17:17.43 | George- | ~lart CuCullin |
| 17:17.52 | kergoth | you're one of those guys that says "hi, i need more memory, can i get a 40gb hard drive" |
| 17:18.01 | kergoth | who i want to fucking bitchslap |
| 17:18.06 | kergoth | cause they're obviously clueless |
| 17:18.14 | CuCullin | no, im not |
| 17:18.35 | George- | kergoth: hahahaha |
| 17:18.41 | George- | kergoth: you are a complete asshole |
| 17:18.42 | George- | :P |
| 17:18.51 | CuCullin | though... if you want to be specific... you imply only ram can be memory |
| 17:19.17 | treke | no not only ram can be memory. but memory and storage are two different concepts |
| 17:19.30 | George- | treke: well said old chap! |
| 17:19.39 | kergoth | indeed. |
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| 17:20.40 | George- | kergoth: uhh, hang on, do you think this ROM update for the 5500 will include the 2.4.18 kernel (hence why you got the SD binary driver?) |
| 17:20.52 | CuCullin | fine then, I'll call it a mass storage device. Happy? |
| 17:20.55 | kergoth | George-: that was implied in the email, but who knows |
| 17:21.20 | George- | kergoth: hrmm, so sharp aren't complete fuckwits that like to abandon people on an ancient kernel, like I originally thought :) |
| 17:21.41 | George- | CuCullin: no |
| 17:21.53 | kergoth | bleh |
| 17:21.55 | kergoth | ibot: tuesday |
| 17:21.55 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday) |
| 17:21.58 | George- | haha |
| 17:22.13 | kergoth | ibot: botsnack |
| 17:22.13 | | aw, gee, kergoth |
| 17:23.01 | George- | kergoth: hahaha, I like those days of the week ;) |
| 17:23.08 | George- | kergoth: All the days suck, eh? ;P |
| 17:23.09 | noidd | for fucks sake |
| 17:23.11 | kergoth | nope |
| 17:23.13 | kergoth | ibot: saturday |
| 17:23.14 | | i heard saturday is the only day of the week that doesn't suck. |
| 17:23.16 | George- | except saturday |
| 17:23.19 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:23.37 | noidd | if you're going to sell something in a minimum quanntity of 10, at least have one reseller who will sell in lower quantities |
| 17:23.38 | George- | what about public holidays? |
| 17:23.55 | noidd | cyclades-- # I want a quote for 2, not 10. |
| 17:24.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:26.32 | George- | whoa |
| 17:26.37 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:26.38 | George- | the banlist in this room is pretty big |
| 17:26.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:26.49 | George- | you fascist bastards! |
| 17:26.50 | George- | :) |
| 17:28.18 | mark | George-: not as big as your ignore list |
| 17:28.20 | George- | does anyone else think the icons on the SL5600's Qtopia look sick? |
| 17:28.45 | mark | hmm, what do you ahve to do to get X11 forwarding working? |
| 17:29.43 | kergoth | George-: qtopia on the 5600 and c700 looks like crap in general |
| 17:30.18 | cynTop | referring to the pixelated icons in many places? |
| 17:30.24 | treke | in s/on the 5600and c700// |
| 17:30.35 | George- | haha |
| 17:30.55 | cynTop | wha/t are? you. sayi]ng! |
| 17:31.34 | George- | cynTop: one handed typing? |
| 17:31.57 | cynTop | maybe |
| 17:32.04 | cynTop | still dunno what he said heh |
| 17:32.08 | cynTop | oh |
| 17:32.14 | cynTop | that was a s/foo/bar/ |
| 17:34.04 | George- | :P |
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| 17:39.01 | George- | --- - ... Please do not tease the opers. We have no social life and will ... |
| 17:39.01 | George- | --- - ... hunt you down for sport. ... |
| 17:39.03 | George- | rofl |
| 17:40.09 | mark | jeez, someone in #linuxhelp spent $300 on a CD with an unstable kernel on it |
| 17:40.30 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:41.01 | George- | that's from the MOTD on efnet.demon.co.uk ;) |
| 17:41.04 | Wintre | wow |
| 17:41.26 | mark | kergoth: nope, actually, it turns out to be 2 blank CDs |
| 17:41.38 | kergoth | you know, i havent eaten anything but chips in 2 days |
| 17:41.41 | kergoth | and whats funny is |
| 17:41.52 | kergoth | its because i was too lazy to do dishes and thereby cook dinner |
| 17:41.58 | George- | kergoth: btw - you know chan mode +c filters out mIRC colour? |
| 17:42.16 | Wintre | Like, potato chips, or french fries? |
| 17:42.20 | chouimat|away | kergoth: try gattuso cup of noodle :) |
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| 17:42.33 | CuCullin | damn theres alot of opie screenshots |
| 17:42.40 | Wintre | You're American, must be potato chips |
| 17:42.43 | pHluid | PicoGUI is kinda sexy looking |
| 17:42.47 | pHluid | Just no apps for it ;[ |
| 17:42.55 | George- | pHluid: and it doesn't work :P |
| 17:43.00 | Wintre | Or tortillas or what have you |
| 17:43.03 | George- | pHluid: or at least, it didn't when I last checked ;) |
| 17:43.13 | pHluid | Never tried to use it, just checked out the screenies and description |
| 17:43.21 | kergoth | Wintre: tortillas & salsa. good stuff |
| 17:43.26 | pHluid | How does the resource usage compare between the two? |
| 17:43.43 | George- | kergoth: has the PicoGUI launcher problem been fixed yet? |
| 17:43.48 | kergoth | not afaik. |
| 17:43.52 | Wintre | Not exactly healthy |
| 17:43.58 | Wintre | High sodium :)' |
| 17:43.58 | George- | kergoth: k |
| 17:44.06 | kergoth | Wintre: indeed |
| 17:44.16 | Wintre | Start drinking beer along with |
| 17:44.31 | kergoth | i should do dishes today |
| 17:44.33 | kergoth | then i can eat |
| 17:44.37 | sirius | is there a pico for Openzaurus? |
| 17:44.39 | kergoth | and thatd be helpful |
| 17:44.49 | kergoth | sirius: nano will be in unstable when the feed is updated next |
| 17:45.10 | sirius | what is that? |
| 17:45.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:45.21 | kergoth | its like pico, only GPL |
| 17:45.33 | warmi | a new Zaurus supposedly based on Power PC chip from IBM ? anyone heard anything about that ? |
| 17:45.35 | sirius | ah. pico isn't it? |
| 17:45.44 | kergoth | sirius: nope |
| 17:45.50 | kergoth | nano works well |
| 17:46.11 | sirius | i see. what about an emacs light? |
| 17:46.13 | CuCullin | this should be fun... im off to search for a win32 PIM that syncs with a Visor and the Z, offers collaboration, and is, preferably, free. |
| 17:46.27 | kergoth | sirius: uemacs |
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| 17:46.33 | kergoth | sirius: ipks are available, on ZSI iirc |
| 17:46.48 | George- | kergoth: aren't you gonna set chan mode +c? :) |
| 17:46.53 | sirius | what is ZSI iirc? |
| 17:47.02 | kergoth | sirius: ZSI is zaurus software index |
| 17:47.02 | CuCullin | zaurus software index |
| 17:47.05 | kergoth | sirius: killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 17:47.10 | kergoth | sirius: iirc = if i recall correctly |
| 17:47.10 | chouimat | http://slashdot.org/articles/03/04/15/1454218.shtml?tid=153 |
| 17:47.10 | sirius | ah ok |
| 17:47.16 | sirius | thanks |
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| 17:48.22 | chouimat | http://www.securityfocus.com/news/3912 |
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| 17:51.17 | Zxcvb | anyone know when the new tiny-x and matchbox packages will be available for download? |
| 17:52.42 | chouimat | kergoth: go read the article I posted that sound fun :) |
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| 17:53.43 | sirius | what would it take to set up a feed like oz only with ZSI ipk's? |
| 17:54.04 | kergoth | all a feed is, is a web dir filled with ipks and a Packages file |
| 17:54.22 | kergoth | the Packages file is generated by ipkg-make-index, a tool made for that purpose |
| 17:54.24 | chouimat | masticator: did you read: http://www.securityfocus.com/news/3912 ? |
| 17:54.53 | sirius | so if i had the ipks it would be piece of cake? |
| 17:54.55 | masticator | yeah its disturbing. |
| 17:55.03 | kergoth | sirius: yes |
| 17:55.04 | masticator | kergoth: how goes it |
| 17:55.31 | chouimat | masticator: they can ban firewall and NAT with such stupid law |
| 17:55.37 | warmi | chouimat: -> In response to the early criticism, the industry groups pushing for the law released a new version of their model legislation on April 1st that, among other things, adds an "intent to defraud" to the language -- significantly narrowing the scope of the law. |
| 17:55.43 | masticator | actually I think OZ.org should have its own ZSI |
| 17:55.48 | Zxcvb | warmi: it doesn't matter |
| 17:55.50 | masticator | its own copy of the code running |
| 17:56.08 | masticator | this way we can certify shit that runs on it |
| 17:56.12 | Zxcvb | warmi: even if the law is changed, anyone running an OS that can do NAT between the original law and the changed law can still be prosecuted |
| 17:56.15 | masticator | and for packages internal to the OZ feed. |
| 17:56.16 | kergoth | masticator: we could certainly mirror it. the oz sf project is running zsi's software mailing list atm |
| 17:56.16 | warmi | sure it does .. it simply means that you can't be prosecuted unless your intention was to commit fraud |
| 17:56.21 | warmi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.36 | Zxcvb | warmi: unless the law is modified retroactively, which would be allowed in this case |
| 17:56.49 | chouimat | warmi: and since canada like to smell the ass of american gov we will get such a stupid law soon ... so I will need to move to europe |
| 17:57.21 | masticator | kergoth: would you be interested in running an invision board for Openzaurus on my egullet.com server? |
| 17:57.21 | warmi | Zxcvb: ah .. come on - you know that nobody will sue your ass beacuse you are runnign NAT .. there are many laws in US that aren't being enforced |
| 17:57.51 | George- | warmi: NAT is illegal? |
| 17:57.55 | chouimat | warmi: yes but with the "terrorist fear" that one will be |
| 17:58.14 | chouimat | someone point the article to George- I'm still on ignore :) |
| 17:58.16 | masticator | I'd like to bring ZaurusZone back, but ONLY for OpenEmbedded users. |
| 17:58.16 | Zxcvb | warmi: citizens arrest |
| 17:58.38 | masticator | sharp is supporting its own product. |
| 17:58.40 | Zxcvb | masticator: you wouldn't happen to have the new X and matchbox packages? |
| 17:58.50 | masticator | nope. |
| 17:58.54 | warmi | Zxcvb: nah .. won't happen - someone simply went overboard because , most likely, the did not exactly understand conseqences of creating such law |
| 17:58.58 | Zxcvb | masticator: sharp's software listing only includes pay software |
| 17:59.04 | kergoth`lunch | Zxcvb: what? |
| 17:59.07 | Zxcvb | warmi: they knew exactly what it would do |
| 17:59.09 | warmi | things liek that happen all the time .. eventually this will be corrected |
| 17:59.16 | kergoth`lunch | bleh, brb again, food |
| 17:59.20 | masticator | zxc: no they have free stuff on myzaurus.com |
| 17:59.21 | chouimat | kergoth`lunch: bye |
| 17:59.46 | Zxcvb | warmi: ok, the law is passed |
| 18:00.15 | Zxcvb | warmi: so the MPAA/RIAA go to computer makers and say "put mandatory DRM and only let your computers run approved code, or we will use this law" |
| 18:00.24 | Zxcvb | warmi: the law even makes the human brain illegal |
| 18:00.38 | Zxcvb | warmi: it's called "consensus at lawyerpoint" |
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| 18:01.12 | chouimat | I don't know but I thing North America is being dumber with each passing day |
| 18:01.21 | chouimat | s/thing/think |
| 18:02.10 | masticator | the supreme court will overturn it for sure |
| 18:02.14 | warmi | chouimat: nah .. |
| 18:02.17 | warmi | it won't happen |
| 18:02.27 | masticator | its unconstitutional |
| 18:02.30 | warmi | the reason that some dumbass was able to pass that law means nothing |
| 18:02.51 | chouimat | warmi: I know ... |
| 18:02.53 | warmi | as masticator says there are many ways to get this changed |
| 18:03.08 | Zxcvb | masticator: yes, but when everything with a microchip can't be used in the state until it is finally overturned, it is a very powerful weapon |
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| 18:03.31 | Zxcvb | warmi: even if it is overturned, it would do alot of damage since it would still be in effect for months, if not years before being overturned |
| 18:04.28 | warmi | Zxcvb: not reallty, if it is that harmfull then it can be " put on hold " ( I am not familiar with the proper legal term for that ) |
| 18:05.08 | Zxcvb | one way to fight it |
| 18:05.23 | Zxcvb | find some 10 year old kid with a laptop running XP |
| 18:05.32 | George- | what? |
| 18:05.35 | Zxcvb | walk up to him with your shotgun, and say "freeze, citizens arrest" |
| 18:05.36 | George- | a new law has been passed? |
| 18:05.41 | Zxcvb | when the kid runs, shoot him |
| 18:05.53 | Zxcvb | that is state dependant, of course |
| 18:05.55 | warmi | there are all kinds of idiotic laws being passed all the time .. for example that McCain "campaing financing reform" - this thing was dead on arrival |
| 18:06.24 | Zxcvb | warmi: in some states, if you see someone commit a felony, you can shoot them if they flee from you |
| 18:06.41 | George- | felony? |
| 18:06.45 | warmi | given enough money ( tech industry) - the most outrageous parts of DMCA will be changed |
| 18:07.06 | Zxcvb | George-: a felony is any crime where the maximum sentence is more than one year |
| 18:07.16 | Zxcvb | George-: and all federal crimes are felonies |
| 18:07.31 | warmi | Zxcvb: I doubt it ... people are going thru legal nightmares for years ( including prison sentences) for shooting a burglar in your house .. |
| 18:07.48 | Zxcvb | warmi: depends on the state |
| 18:08.20 | George- | warmi: wasn't there some criminal that sued the houseowner because he was injured by a pencil or something when he walked in? |
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| 18:12.52 | darienm | mooooo |
| 18:12.53 | George- | WHY ARE THERE SO MANY NETSPLITS!?!?!!? |
| 18:13.03 | darienm | I prefer banana splits, myself. |
| 18:13.09 | MacGyver | :D |
| 18:13.17 | MacGyver | ccc |
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| 18:13.47 | Zxcvb | warmi: capps 2 can be used as a bridge to gain access to all sorts of systems, even top secret networks |
| 18:13.48 | Zxcvb | warmi: do you trust every hacker on the internet not to abuse such a system? |
| 18:14.10 | warmi | Zxcvb: but how will that be used ? what I mean is when will be a background like that get triggered ? |
| 18:14.43 | Zxcvb | warmi: at the ticket counter |
| 18:14.50 | Zxcvb | warmi: but it doesn't matter |
| 18:14.53 | sirius | is there a python numeric package for OZ? |
| 18:15.15 | Zxcvb | warmi: the point is, it will be connected to both the internet, and sensitive (like credit reporting) and even secret/top secret systems |
| 18:15.58 | warmi | it makes sense for a background check system to be connected to a some sort of network .. as long as it is well protected , what's the problem ? |
| 18:16.00 | Zxcvb | warmi: this is the same government who created the carnivore "wiretap" system that can't even break HTTPS and SSH v1 in realtime, or do arp spoofing |
| 18:16.08 | warmi | btw .. why would they want to check your credit report ? |
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| 18:16.15 | Zxcvb | warmi: no idea |
| 18:16.16 | warmi | I mean how does that relate to safety isues ? |
| 18:16.21 | Zxcvb | warmi: it can't be well secured |
| 18:16.30 | Zxcvb | warmi: it will be connected to the public interneet |
| 18:16.40 | cynTop | isn't that the Internet |
| 18:16.43 | Zxcvb | warmi: at the same time, it will be connected to all the credit reporting agencies |
| 18:16.53 | warmi | Zxcvb: well, if they encode it well enough |
| 18:17.07 | Zxcvb | warmi: take a look at carnivore |
| 18:17.16 | warmi | I suspect they will consult with security experts before implementing stuff like that |
| 18:17.28 | Zxcvb | warmi: doesn't matter |
| 18:17.36 | Zxcvb | warmi: it will be the most attacked system in history |
| 18:18.12 | warmi | Zxcvb: well, you can say the same thing about banking systems etc... |
| 18:18.14 | Zxcvb | warmi: and will likely run using windows 2000 datacenter, with MSIE and outlook installed |
| 18:18.35 | warmi | while it is not internet based but one could still tap into this one way or another |
| 18:18.38 | Zxcvb | warmi: banking systems use their own "one way" protocols to bridge their systems with the internet |
| 18:19.04 | Zxcvb | warmi: making it physically impossible for you to use their online banking site to mess with their other systems |
| 18:19.32 | Zxcvb | warmi: this system will not be that way, remember it will be built at the lowest bid |
| 18:19.37 | warmi | Zxcvb: sure you could .. all you need to do is tap into theit T1s or whatver they are using for communication |
| 18:19.41 | Zxcvb | warmi: look at the carnivore internet wiretap system |
| 18:19.53 | Zxcvb | warmi: then look at ettercap and dsniff |
| 18:20.03 | warmi | Zxcvb: yeah ? I don't know much about carnivore beyond the fcat that they listen to stuff on the ent |
| 18:20.05 | warmi | net even |
| 18:20.18 | Zxcvb | warmi: carnivore is a crude packet sniffer with some filters |
| 18:20.28 | Zxcvb | warmi: it can't even crack https in realtime |
| 18:20.45 | warmi | Zxcvb: well, then that crude packet sniffer will be useless against any sort of encrypted data , won't it ? |
| 18:20.48 | Zxcvb | warmi: it doesn't support DNS cache poisioning or arp spoofing either, so it has to be installed at the ISP |
| 18:21.22 | Zxcvb | warmi: with dnsiff, I can snoop on your https traffic just by getting an account at your ISP |
| 18:22.28 | Zxcvb | warmi: and tapping into their T1 lines undetected is nearly impossible for anyone but the NSA/CIA |
| 18:23.15 | Zxcvb | warmi: tapping into the capps 2 system can be done by most skilled hackers |
| 18:23.26 | Zxcvb | warmi: not much harder than finding unknown exploits in windows |
| 18:24.19 | cynTop | crackers. |
| 18:24.28 | warmi | Zxcvb: who said they will use https ? |
| 18:24.38 | Zxcvb | warmi: doesn't matter |
| 18:24.45 | Zxcvb | warmi: ever hear of buffer overruns? |
| 18:24.49 | warmi | with kerberos or other secure authentication system .. dnsiff won't work |
| 18:24.59 | Zxcvb | warmi: poison routing tables |
| 18:26.05 | Zxcvb | warmi: the hackers, especially blackhats, are always several steps ahead of the government |
| 18:26.08 | warmi | Zxcvb: yeah I did hear about buffer overruns... you tend to be familiar with thigns like that if you have been in programming business for the last 10-15 years |
| 18:26.30 | George- | you freaks! :P |
| 18:26.32 | George- | lol |
| 18:26.37 | Zxcvb | warmi: and I don't think windows 2000 will even boot without an executable stack |
| 18:27.28 | warmi | well, so what would be your solution ? |
| 18:27.32 | warmi | private network ? |
| 18:27.47 | Zxcvb | warmi: it will be expensive |
| 18:27.54 | Zxcvb | warmi: you have multiple systems |
| 18:27.58 | warmi | so basically don't do anything then ? |
| 18:27.59 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:28.08 | Zxcvb | warmi: one connects to the public internet |
| 18:28.24 | CuCullin | does sharp have the syncing specs available for public viewing? |
| 18:28.24 | Zxcvb | warmi: then you have another one for private, but non-classified systems |
| 18:28.33 | Zxcvb | warmi: then another for the classified stuff |
| 18:28.41 | Zxcvb | warmi: finally, you have a fourth system |
| 18:29.17 | warmi | well, this kind of security is an overkill for a system like that |
| 18:29.17 | Zxcvb | warmi: the fourth system is programmed using techniques that allow for perfect code, and uses a custom OS and custom programming languages |
| 18:29.34 | warmi | frrankly, you could get more information by going thru somebodys trash |
| 18:29.37 | Zxcvb | warmi: the main hub has two connections, both are one way |
| 18:29.59 | Zxcvb | warmi: but you can't erase _every credit reporting database_ by going through trash |
| 18:30.15 | Zxcvb | warmi: if the system can read credit information, then it can WRITE as well |
| 18:30.40 | Zxcvb | warmi: ok, suppose I wanted to really mess with capps |
| 18:30.55 | Zxcvb | warmi: I break in through the internet, then I wipe all the credit databases |
| 18:31.17 | Zxcvb | warmi: then I change the dates on telephone/power/water billing computers, so the computers disconnect everyone for non-payment |
| 18:31.32 | warmi | well, why would anynone want to mess with someone else credit record ? I mean, there woudn't be any direct financial gain from that .. |
| 18:31.49 | warmi | it is not like getting into someone else account or anything |
| 18:31.50 | Zxcvb | warmi: then change everyone's DMV records to say they are all terrorists |
| 18:32.02 | Zxcvb | warmi: why do people root systems, then do rm -rf / as root? |
| 18:32.16 | Zxcvb | warmi: and why do people detonate truck bombs |
| 18:33.11 | Zxcvb | warmi: wiping out everyone's credit history, and having everyone's power/water/telephone/etc shut off for non-payment would cause major disruption |
| 18:33.13 | warmi | well, yeah .. but that won't affect you in any way .. will it ? I mean , if somebody wipes out your credit history .. who cares ? most people would actually volunteer to become a victim of such crime :-) |
| 18:33.36 | warmi | Zxcvb: btw .. why this asumption that if you can read you can also write ? |
| 18:33.41 | warmi | how do you know that ? |
| 18:33.48 | Zxcvb | warmi: but what about everyone having their electricity, water, and telephone disconnected? |
| 18:34.08 | Zxcvb | warmi: because of how the government handles contracts |
| 18:34.17 | Zxcvb | warmi: the lowest bidder (lowest cost) gets the contract |
| 18:34.27 | warmi | remember you are not conneting to a database but most likely you will be connecting to some sort of external service that , most likely, won't even offer an interface for writing |
| 18:34.48 | Zxcvb | warmi: this is the government |
| 18:34.56 | Zxcvb | warmi: they will want write access "just in case" |
| 18:34.59 | warmi | furthermore .. that service will be most likely running with read-only rights enforced by another internal system that actually guards the data |
| 18:35.03 | Zxcvb | warmi: and it would be more espensive |
| 18:35.26 | warmi | Zxcvb: well, you know ... that's pure speculation |
| 18:35.40 | Zxcvb | warmi: it is how government contracts work |
| 18:35.41 | warmi | I know they are not the most efficient enterprise around |
| 18:36.17 | Zxcvb | warmi: the same government that lets laptops with top secret nuclear secrets be connected to the internet with kazaa (with full spyware) installed |
| 18:36.38 | warmi | well, I don't know .... frankly, I am all for smaller goverment |
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| 18:37.08 | warmi | but on the other hand I am trying not to be too paranoic about these things |
| 18:37.17 | Zxcvb | warmi: besides, terrorist groups will probe capps II to see what sets of the flags, then use those operatives who don't set it off |
| 18:37.38 | Zxcvb | warmi: if you think that's bad, TIA, in the specifications, is intended to be self aware |
| 18:37.43 | Zxcvb | warmi: that is, sentient |
| 18:38.23 | warmi | well, I can't argue about this stuff cause I haven't seen any specs or anything .. frankly, this is the first time I hear about a project like that |
| 18:38.24 | Zxcvb | warmi: just wait until TIA assasinates the president because he isn't "doing enough to fight terrorism" |
| 18:38.53 | Zxcvb | warmi: actually, it would likely launch nukes (by tricking norad into thinking an attack was coming, if nothing else) at russia and china |
| 18:39.11 | Zxcvb | warmi: fortunately, the war on terror will be over before such a system can be built |
| 18:39.47 | Zxcvb | warmi: consider that an average of 1TB of data per person per day, would require 2.2 billion pounds of hard drives per day just for data storage |
| 18:40.05 | warmi | 1 TB per person ? |
| 18:40.11 | Zxcvb | warmi: average |
| 18:40.50 | warmi | 1 TB per person per day ? for storing what ? |
| 18:40.52 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:41.17 | Zxcvb | warmi: if you want to collect every email, every fax, every phone call (including conversation), every trackable purchase, all data from those cameras on the street corners, every website visit, etc |
| 18:41.43 | cynTop | you don't need to store the same camera data for each person/etc. |
| 18:41.57 | Zxcvb | cynTop: you do if you want TIA to work like it is supposed to |
| 18:41.59 | cynTop | prolly closer to just a gig or so |
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| 18:42.07 | cynTop | no, you see, that's pointless |
| 18:42.19 | cynTop | you don't have a dedicated camera for each person waiting at a crosswalk |
| 18:42.21 | cynTop | you have one camera |
| 18:42.23 | warmi | Zxcvb: uh ? I think you been reading stuff like 1984 /Animals Farm too much :-) |
| 18:42.28 | CuCullin | And just remember... the axis of evil (Barney's Creators, Djibouti, and Evil Bert) was using Osama as a figurehead for their terrorist activities, with the ultimate goal of making the entire world a large colony of African Muppet Purple Dinosaurs! |
| 18:43.50 | warmi | CuCullin: yeah .. I even saw on tv one of these "secret elite iraqi feedeins " ( or whatever they are called) wearing a tshirt with a pink "Fuck Barney" proudly written all over it |
| 18:43.53 | warmi | I shit you not |
| 18:44.11 | CuCullin | lol |
| 18:44.21 | CuCullin | Feddayin iirc |
| 18:44.50 | warmi | yeah... |
| 18:44.53 | warmi | I am serious |
| 18:45.01 | warmi | I saw the guy on tv |
| 18:47.06 | mewyn | hrm |
| 18:47.19 | mewyn | fuck barney you say |
| 18:47.36 | Zxcvb | cynTop: you have lots of cameras across the country |
| 18:47.43 | warmi | mewyn: yeah |
| 18:47.47 | cynTop | you have lots of people too |
| 18:47.52 | Zxcvb | cynTop: even with 600 kilobit divx compression, that is alot of data to store |
| 18:48.08 | Zxcvb | cynTop: I am saying total, 1TB of data per person per day |
| 18:48.09 | mewyn | or a lot of video tapes |
| 18:48.09 | cynTop | ok, one camera running 24 hours |
| 18:48.15 | cynTop | just, hear me out |
| 18:48.19 | cynTop | how much data is that single camera |
| 18:48.26 | cynTop | we'll even let it be rotating - which most do not |
| 18:48.32 | cynTop | so compression won't help as much as we might like |
| 18:48.34 | warmi | masticator: I am sure that guy didn't even know what that means but still .. it was pretty funny |
| 18:48.39 | cynTop | how much data do you think that is |
| 18:48.45 | cynTop | 10gigs? |
| 18:48.59 | Zxcvb | cynTop: what I am saying is that if you take all the data collected per day and divide it by the number of people in the US, you will get at least 1 TB |
| 18:49.13 | cynTop | if you don't want to hear me out, that's fine - I've heard you out so far |
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| 18:49.22 | cynTop | but if you do, I'd appreciate you working this with me |
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| 18:49.28 | CuCullin | If cameras are installed like in GB, I'll move to another country. |
| 18:49.41 | Zxcvb | cynTop: assume 10 gigabytes per day per camera |
| 18:49.41 | cynTop | how much data does one camera need for a 24 hour period, assuming it pans |
| 18:49.43 | cynTop | ok |
| 18:49.50 | CuCullin | maybe ill become a janitor in the bahamas.... |
| 18:49.55 | Zxcvb | cynTop: how many cameras in the US |
| 18:50.00 | cynTop | so you're saying that if every person ran out and stole a camera, they'd only take 1% of the cameras? |
| 18:50.07 | cynTop | every person in the us |
| 18:50.10 | cynTop | every single person |
| 18:50.16 | cynTop | they'd only take 1 in 100 cameras |
| 18:50.26 | Zxcvb | cynTop: that's not what I am saying |
| 18:50.34 | cynTop | the video data is going to be like 90% of your data |
| 18:50.41 | cynTop | so we'll drop it to 1 in 90 cameras |
| 18:50.42 | mewyn | i say there's nothing wrong with CCTV as long as it doesn't peek into windows, even then you should have blinds |
| 18:50.56 | cynTop | an email doesn't dent a damned thing, even if you include spam |
| 18:50.59 | Zxcvb | cynTop: the system will collect not only all data from every camera, but all phone conversations, all emails, all faxes, all website visits, etc |
| 18:50.59 | cynTop | voice is nothing |
| 18:51.19 | cynTop | everything but the video is like 5% MAYBE 10% |
| 18:51.30 | cynTop | even if I allowed 50% - you're still saying they would only take 1 in 50 cameras |
| 18:51.37 | cynTop | I think that's bs |
| 18:51.37 | mewyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.42 | cynTop | I say 5gigs a day averaged |
| 18:52.06 | Zxcvb | cynTop: don't forget copies of all data on the internet downloaded, including divx movies and iso files |
| 18:52.27 | Zxcvb | cynTop: essentially, a dump of all phone traffic, all internet traffic (including porn/warez/divx/etc), and all camera traffic |
| 18:52.30 | CuCullin | mewyn, ya think? |
| 18:52.45 | pHluid | In OZ3.2, is there any way to make .jpgs on a CF show on the Opie Documents tab? |
| 18:52.49 | Zxcvb | cynTop: the system has to analyze all that |
| 18:53.01 | cynTop | a dump of all internet traffic will bump it up to 10gigs a day |
| 18:53.16 | cynTop | considering that a lot of the stuff people grab is still unchanged |
| 18:53.23 | Zxcvb | cynTop: the internet transfers insane amounts of data per day |
| 18:53.26 | cynTop | no |
| 18:53.28 | cynTop | really? |
| 18:53.34 | Zxcvb | cynTop: the system still must process it all to see what is the same |
| 18:53.54 | cynTop | if you average all downloads out - modem users and broadband |
| 18:54.01 | cynTop | do you honestly think it's more than 2gigs averaged out |
| 18:54.01 | Zxcvb | cynTop: even if it uses diffs for permanent storage |
| 18:54.04 | cynTop | and that's just internet users |
| 18:54.16 | cynTop | there are still plenty of people not using the internet - frightening as that may be |
| 18:54.20 | mewyn | better. i must remember to wear my wrist brace. |
| 18:54.47 | mewyn | cynTop: my average internet traffic can be 5G+ |
| 18:54.52 | Wintre | cyntop: And sadly, it's often people we encounter on the Internet, whom we wish would not use it |
| 18:54.53 | cynTop | that average goes down if we count the people who use aol solely for email for 5 minutes in the morning before going to their tea and crumpets with their knitting group |
| 18:55.00 | cynTop | mewyn: mine's maybe 200megs |
| 18:55.19 | Zxcvb | cynTop: even if the system uses diffs and other compression techniques for permanent storage, how about the temporary storage needed |
| 18:55.20 | cynTop | mewyn: you said can be - an average is or isn't.... can you hit 'up to' 5+gigs but you average 2, or what? |
| 18:55.25 | warmi | mewyn: 5 G ??? |
| 18:55.28 | cynTop | Zxcvb: I never said it would work well |
| 18:55.39 | cynTop | my point is that it's not a terabyte of data per person per day |
| 18:55.43 | mewyn | daily average. |
| 18:55.44 | cynTop | it's orders lower |
| 18:56.13 | cynTop | Wintre: amen to statement before last :) |
| 18:56.36 | Zxcvb | cynTop: and TIA is supposed to be _sentient_ |
| 18:56.37 | cynTop | walked into storage required for government to track all data from cameras and internet for everyone |
| 18:56.52 | Zxcvb | cynTop: any bets on how much space a sentient computer program would use up? |
| 18:56.54 | cynTop | Zxcvb: we don't even need to go there, Turing test covers us easily enough |
| 18:57.03 | Wintre | Zxcvb: Impossible to say. |
| 18:57.11 | cynTop | when a computer program becomes sentient it won't be a matter of space |
| 18:57.19 | cynTop | it will be a matter of what it's running on |
| 18:57.27 | cynTop | nothing like what we have now (excluding life forms) |
| 18:57.42 | cynTop | it's not gunna be a laptop you ask to boot up in the morning :) |
| 18:57.48 | Zxcvb | cynTop: holograpic storage and quantum computing |
| 18:57.57 | cynTop | that doesn't make it any more sentient |
| 18:58.07 | Zxcvb | cynTop: a single holographic drive is enough to download YOU onto it |
| 18:58.19 | Zxcvb | cynTop: even though it is fist sized |
| 18:58.23 | cynTop | I don't see how that's relevant to making a sentient program, but that's good to know |
| 18:58.29 | cynTop | I rather think I have faster seek times, though |
| 18:58.39 | Zxcvb | cynTop: that's how you get the storage space and processing power |
| 18:58.41 | cynTop | for unbuffered reads |
| 18:58.41 | pHluid | I don't. |
| 18:58.47 | pHluid | It'd be easy to recreate me. |
| 18:58.49 | Zxcvb | cynTop: how about faster than DDR/SDRAM |
| 18:58.52 | cynTop | sentient |
| 18:58.57 | cynTop | your keyword here is sentient |
| 18:59.07 | cynTop | no program anywhere is anywhere near being sentient |
| 18:59.08 | pHluid | A lot of stalling, then spouting back some bullshit that seems to answer any questions but really doesn't |
| 18:59.09 | cynTop | it's not going to happen |
| 18:59.23 | pHluid | And if anybody calls the proggy out on it, it would just insult them and /ignore. |
| 18:59.25 | Zxcvb | cynTop: that is what they said about the Internet in 1960 |
| 18:59.28 | cynTop | not without some new hardware |
| 18:59.34 | pHluid | Come to think of it, that goes for George-, too. :) |
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| 18:59.44 | Zxcvb | cynTop: DARPA is in charge of developing the system |
| 18:59.49 | cynTop | Zxcvb: also good to know, seemingly related - isn't imo |
| 19:00.13 | cynTop | they may manage to make a program that learns pretty well |
| 19:00.13 | Zxcvb | cynTop: the only problem is the war on terror will be over decades before the thing actually works |
| 19:00.18 | cynTop | but I doubt it'll become sentient |
| 19:00.31 | cynTop | and if it ever did it would probably commit suicide |
| 19:00.42 | cynTop | or the movies opinion - take over the world |
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| 19:01.38 | cynTop | well I've contributed to the OT signal enough here, interesting thoughts - I think we both agree that it's not going to happen in time, whenever it does - and wont be a good thing whenever it does |
| 19:01.45 | mewyn | biggest obsticle to overcome with self-aware computer programs is that it a. will need highly dynamic reconfigurable (think fpga on steroids) hardware, b. need to be given a 'self', a way to interact with the world, and c. will need to be given baic insticts |
| 19:02.06 | cynTop | and it will need a chrome exterior for its ego |
| 19:02.10 | cynTop | highly polished |
| 19:02.24 | mewyn | what if it doesnt' like chrome |
| 19:06.40 | cynTop | well, it will learn to like chrome, because it we make it like something cheap and pathetic, people will just make fun of it - then it will get angry and lash out and kill us all |
| 19:08.33 | George- | pHluid: what? |
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| 19:13.30 | CuCullin | I think we need to be more worried about the African Muppet Purple Dinosaurs. |
| 19:13.40 | CuCullin | or AMPD, for short. |
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| 19:13.50 | Freddie | hello everyone |
| 19:13.55 | Freddie | quite the crowd here today |
| 19:14.26 | Freddie | I just read on the tkc mailing list that a new 5500 ROM was due out soon |
| 19:14.27 | George- | CuCullin: what about apmd? :P |
| 19:14.34 | Freddie | anyone know where I could find some definitive details about this? |
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| 19:14.48 | Zxcvb | Freddie: will there be scripts to extract the new apps without having to reflash the sharp rom? |
| 19:14.51 | George- | Freddie: well, it'll be based on Qtopia 1.5.2, Opera 6 etc |
| 19:15.00 | George- | Freddie: Will probably have 2.4.18 as the kernel. |
| 19:15.06 | George- | Freddie: these are guesses btw |
| 19:15.14 | Freddie | WOW |
| 19:15.14 | George- | Freddie: but guesses with some evidence ;) |
| 19:15.18 | Freddie | 2.4.18 would be INCREDIBLE |
| 19:15.19 | Zxcvb | George-: will it be possible to extract the new apps without reflashing? |
| 19:15.28 | Freddie | we would finally have a new SD driver |
| 19:15.29 | George- | Zxcvb: uhhh |
| 19:15.33 | kergoth`lunch | Zxcvb: its possible to extract them from the currrent sharp rom.. |
| 19:15.34 | George- | Zxcvb: probably |
| 19:15.36 | kergoth`lunch | Freddie: i already have it |
| 19:15.42 | kergoth`lunch | Freddie: cant release it yet though :) |
| 19:15.42 | George- | Freddie: kergoth has it :P |
| 19:15.49 | Zxcvb | kergoth`lunch: the current rom doesn't have opera 6 |
| 19:15.52 | Freddie | kergoth: That is awesome that they are helping you out with that already |
| 19:15.54 | CuCullin | George-, nah... as a result of the gene splicing, they crossed muppet genes with purple dinosaur genes |
| 19:15.55 | kergoth`lunch | Zxcvb: and your point is? |
| 19:15.56 | Freddie | VERY glad to hear that |
| 19:15.57 | George- | kergoth`lunch: how long till you can release it? |
| 19:16.01 | CuCullin | George-, so APMD :) |
| 19:16.06 | kergoth`lunch | Zxcvb: you can modify the scripts to work with a new rom in like 10 minutes. |
| 19:16.17 | Freddie | kergoth: Last I had heard, I thought a newer driver was almost an impossibility |
| 19:16.20 | Freddie | I wonder what changed |
| 19:16.30 | kergoth`lunch | Freddie: sharp sent me a fucking binary module |
| 19:16.33 | Zxcvb | any idea when the new X and matchbox packages will be released, at least to unstable/experimental |
| 19:16.36 | Freddie | heh |
| 19:16.36 | kergoth`lunch | Freddie: for 2.4.18 |
| 19:16.43 | Freddie | so pretty much just out of the blue eh? |
| 19:16.48 | kergoth`lunch | Zxcvb: they'll be uploaded when the feed gets updated. |
| 19:16.48 | George- | ... |
| 19:17.01 | George- | kergoth`lunch: has 2.4.19 development been resumed then? |
| 19:17.03 | Zxcvb | Freddie: it is possible, and could be done in 10 minutes, but there are DMCA fears |
| 19:17.21 | Zxcvb | Freddie: if it weren't for the DMCA, the existing module would work fine |
| 19:17.22 | Freddie | Zxcvb: I absolutely HATE the DMCA |
| 19:17.38 | George- | Freddie: doesn't everyone? |
| 19:17.40 | Freddie | as a consumer, I want to be able to say I want media free of such stupidity |
| 19:17.46 | pHluid | Freddie: No no, remember, the DMCA is for your protection. |
| 19:17.46 | cynTop | the DMCA protects all loyal patriotic americans |
| 19:17.49 | Freddie | which, I suppose, is why MMC exists |
| 19:17.51 | pHluid | </sarcasm> |
| 19:17.52 | cynTop | </troll> dont kick me!!!! |
| 19:18.10 | Zxcvb | is there any reason why MMC is limited to 128MB? |
| 19:18.24 | cynTop | if there is, it's not a space limitation |
| 19:18.45 | pHluid | Device compatability maybe?? |
| 19:18.48 | cynTop | seems to me if the zaurus can use the larger sd cards without all 4 lines attached, that there isn't a reason for mmc limitation |
| 19:18.55 | pHluid | Maybe the spec was drawn up with a max of 128mb |
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| 19:19.11 | cynTop | screw device compatibility, my digital camera can only take up to 16mb smartmedia - doesn't mean they stopped there |
| 19:19.22 | George- | I would have preferred it if Sharp had been sensible and put dual CF |
| 19:19.25 | Zxcvb | pHluid: and the apple 2 was never designed to use a 32MB CF card as two 16MB hard drives |
| 19:19.41 | pHluid | Cyn: Yeh, but if 95% of devices out there don't support it, there's not enough of a market to justify making them... |
| 19:19.44 | cynTop | 2 cf would take a buncha space |
| 19:19.51 | cynTop | pHluid: yah |
| 19:19.52 | George- | cynTop: not that much. |
| 19:19.54 | cynTop | well |
| 19:19.56 | Freddie | george: I am QUITE happy with the sd/cf combo |
| 19:20.02 | Freddie | I just want SD without DMCA |
| 19:20.03 | cynTop | pHluid: not when you have a competing product they do support :) |
| 19:20.10 | cynTop | aka sd |
| 19:20.12 | Zxcvb | pHluid: handhelds that support SD will likely support more than 128MB MMC |
| 19:20.12 | George- | Freddie: SD is DRM-ridden. It's evil. |
| 19:20.25 | cynTop | you don't have to enable the DRM features tho |
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| 19:20.34 | cynTop | you don't have to use the encryption |
| 19:20.34 | Freddie | exactly cynTop |
| 19:20.39 | Zxcvb | pHluid: if not, then a simple patch to the driver would make it work (i.e. remove the check) |
| 19:20.46 | kergoth`lunch | cynTop: but you still cant initialize the card without signing a license agreement with sd.org |
| 19:20.48 | Zxcvb | cynTop: but the cart initialization is still secret |
| 19:20.50 | Freddie | what I want is an opensource driver devoid of the DRM bullshit |
| 19:20.52 | Freddie | pardon my french |
| 19:20.53 | cynTop | kergoth`lunch: yea that's gay |
| 19:21.02 | George- | cynTop: listen to kergoth |
| 19:21.02 | kergoth`lunch | Freddie: opensource sd driver? ahahahaha |
| 19:21.04 | cynTop | that's a big old 'screw you' |
| 19:21.10 | cynTop | I'm not disagreeing |
| 19:21.11 | Freddie | kergoth: I know |
| 19:21.31 | George- | Freddie: uhm, stop dreaming. There will never be an OpenSource SD drive. |
| 19:21.33 | Freddie | kergoth: I do believe it will happen - just probably long after SD is useful |
| 19:21.35 | George- | s/drive/driver/ |
| 19:21.37 | pHluid | Zx: Um, first of all, the vast majority of SD card devices aren't Linux based, so there's no "simple patch to the driver" :P |
| 19:21.47 | kergoth`lunch | Freddie: THe only way it'll happen is if someone reverse engineers it |
| 19:21.53 | cynTop | yeah the bulk of SD devices are cameras |
| 19:21.54 | Freddie | kergoth: EXACTLY |
| 19:21.54 | kergoth`lunch | Freddie: everyone who has the information legally is under NDA |
| 19:21.58 | cynTop | secondary is likely mp3 players |
| 19:22.12 | Zxcvb | kergoth: considered writing a paper on the vulnerabilities of SD, and including enough information for someone to create card init code? |
| 19:22.23 | George- | Zxcvb: hahaha |
| 19:22.28 | cynTop | that would be breaking the NDA, no? |
| 19:22.39 | George- | cynTop: kergoth isn't under NDA, I don't think |
| 19:22.42 | Zxcvb | cynTop: not if he didn't sign it, but used reverse engineering |
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| 19:22.49 | pHluid | Zxc: He'd have a DMCA cease-and-desist on his ass before he could do anything about it :) |
| 19:22.59 | cynTop | oh the point is to just distribute enough info that someone *not* in the US can make a driver :P |
| 19:23.01 | Zxcvb | pHluid: just like felten |
| 19:23.01 | kergoth | Zxcvb: thats a possibility. write a paper on it, then have someone else reimplement cleanroom |
| 19:23.02 | Freddie | what needs to happen is for someone under the NDA to go bankrupt and their trash accidentally has all the info in it |
| 19:23.03 | Freddie | :) |
| 19:23.05 | pHluid | DMCA makes it illegal to circumvent security measures, period |
| 19:23.15 | pHluid | Not even just to DO it |
| 19:23.19 | George- | pHluid: and as such marker pens are illegal :) |
| 19:23.20 | pHluid | But to even talk about it |
| 19:23.31 | Zxcvb | pHluid: then why didn't felten get arrested/sued |
| 19:23.36 | cynTop | what is that security protecting, in the case of using a SD card with the zaurus |
| 19:23.38 | Freddie | pHluid: Reality is - if something is widely enough distributed, it doesn't MATTER |
| 19:23.40 | pHluid | George: You can't refer to the marker trick; it's a violation of the DMCA :P |
| 19:23.44 | kergoth | Freddie: indeed |
| 19:23.51 | George- | pHluid: hahaha |
| 19:24.13 | Zxcvb | pHluid: the idea is to have a paper on SD, similar to felten's SDMI paper |
| 19:24.18 | Freddie | you must be in a good mood today |
| 19:24.23 | Freddie | normally we aren't in such agreement |
| 19:24.23 | George- | I still want a dual CF |
| 19:24.23 | Freddie | :) |
| 19:24.26 | pHluid | Freddie: You're free to do whatever and publish to usenet/freenet or however you want |
| 19:24.31 | George- | dual CF would have been MUCH better than SD/CF |
| 19:24.36 | pHluid | but if you get caught, they can sue your ass into oblivion |
| 19:24.44 | kergoth | Freddie: its beautiful outside, i just cant be as much of an ass when its this damn nice out |
| 19:24.47 | kergoth | Freddie: !! |
| 19:24.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:24.54 | Freddie | kergoth: ROFL |
| 19:25.06 | George- | hah |
| 19:25.13 | Freddie | pHluid: So it needs to be posted from Iraq |
| 19:25.13 | George- | kergoth? not an asshole? NEVER! |
| 19:25.21 | kergoth | George-: i said _as much_ |
| 19:25.21 | Freddie | or better - Syria |
| 19:25.24 | kergoth | George-: :) |
| 19:25.24 | cynTop | dual cf would be a lot better for support/etc - but it would still make the thing bigger ;P |
| 19:25.32 | George- | kergoth: hah |
| 19:25.34 | Zxcvb | edward felten never got sued over his SDMI paper, which includes enough information to crack SDMI |
| 19:25.35 | pHluid | Freddie: If somebody outside the US publishes it, that's a different story... |
| 19:25.42 | Freddie | pHluid: Exactly |
| 19:25.48 | George- | kergoth: I thought it was your policy to be a 100% asshole, 100% of the time. |
| 19:25.49 | cynTop | tho in the case of the c700 it might be an improvement - since they made *just* the cf slot stick out a little on the bottom of the device |
| 19:25.49 | George- | :) |
| 19:26.27 | kergoth | hm, i wonder if i work hard for the next hour if i can complete any of my goals before the goal meeting |
| 19:26.28 | pHluid | Zx: I'm not familiar with Felten, but I can cite other cases where the people either were sued or recieved cease and desist orders for exactly this kind of them |
| 19:26.34 | George- | kergoth: rofl |
| 19:26.38 | George- | kergoth: what are these "goals"? |
| 19:26.41 | kergoth | George-: i dont remember |
| 19:26.44 | kergoth | George-: i have to look em up |
| 19:26.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:26.49 | cynTop | I'm sure one of them isn't to describe them to irc :P |
| 19:26.50 | George- | slacker. |
| 19:26.54 | kergoth | "So boss, what didnt I get done?" |
| 19:26.55 | Freddie | George-: Work on something for more than one hour per day |
| 19:26.56 | kergoth | "..." |
| 19:27.15 | George- | haha |
| 19:27.22 | George- | are these personal goals? |
| 19:27.33 | Zxcvb | pHluid: the only case I know of is felten initiated a lawsuit after recieving a nastygram |
| 19:27.37 | kergoth | nah, work stuff |
| 19:27.38 | George- | "I WILL NOT BE AN ASSHOLE... I WILL NOT BE AN ASSHOLE" |
| 19:27.53 | George- | Freddie: sod that |
| 19:27.55 | Freddie | "Must . . . control . . . fist of death!" |
| 19:27.58 | kergoth | George-: someone needs to do a parody cartoon of me writing that on a chalkboard |
| 19:28.01 | George- | Freddie: get a PDA based on the embedded PPC :P |
| 19:28.10 | George- | kergoth: haha |
| 19:28.16 | Freddie | George: URL? |
| 19:28.17 | Freddie | :) |
| 19:28.19 | George- | kergoth: nah, your face would scare anyone to death :) |
| 19:28.23 | kergoth | baah |
| 19:28.29 | George- | "YIKES!" |
| 19:28.33 | kergoth | s/a+/a/; |
| 19:29.02 | George- | Freddie: have you seen kergoth's picture? |
| 19:29.13 | Freddie | George-: I am talking on IRC aren't I? |
| 19:29.28 | George- | Freddie: probably |
| 19:29.40 | Freddie | well, to hear you tell it, if I had seen it, I would have died |
| 19:29.53 | Freddie | so, you would have to assume that I haven't seen his visage |
| 19:29.58 | George- | ... |
| 19:29.59 | Freddie | through supposition |
| 19:30.00 | Freddie | :) |
| 19:30.06 | kergoth | George-: I highly doubt anyone cares about a picture. |
| 19:30.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:30.23 | George- | kergoth: OK, I take that as "Don't show him!!!" |
| 19:30.27 | George- | kergoth: :) |
| 19:30.33 | Freddie | kergoths picture should be on the openzaurus.org page |
| 19:30.34 | Freddie | at the top |
| 19:30.36 | kergoth | no, take that as dont waste people's time |
| 19:30.52 | George- | kergoth: you're so sensitive about those pictures :P |
| 19:31.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:31.31 | George- | probably cause you look like an asshole :) |
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| 19:31.56 | kergoth | George-: if thats true, then you can feel free to judge this book by its cover |
| 19:32.01 | kergoth | George-: :) |
| 19:32.04 | Freddie | so any definitive word from Sharp on the new ROM? |
| 19:32.06 | George- | kergoth: what book? |
| 19:32.16 | kergoth | oi |
| 19:32.16 | George- | Freddie: yeh, Sniper said it'd be out in a few weeks |
| 19:32.22 | kergoth | 'dont judge a book by its cover' |
| 19:32.26 | kergoth | i drew an analog |
| 19:32.27 | kergoth | y |
| 19:32.29 | George- | Freddie: except he chose the date of "April 1st" to announce it. |
| 19:32.34 | kergoth | i look like an asshole. i am an asshole |
| 19:32.45 | kergoth | therefore, if you judge me by my cover, you'd be accurate |
| 19:32.53 | George- | kergoth: you look rather stupid to come to think of it :) |
| 19:33.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:33.11 | kergoth | sure i do, mr potter |
| 19:33.15 | George- | I haven't had a reply from Wookey yet |
| 19:33.20 | George- | kergoth: HEY! |
| 19:33.26 | George- | kergoth: I DO NOT LOOK LIKE HARRY POTTER |
| 19:33.33 | George- | pffffffffffffffffffft |
| 19:33.33 | kergoth | ibot: england |
| 19:33.34 | | england is, like, Harry-Potter-Land |
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| 19:33.37 | kergoth | ^^ |
| 19:33.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:33.44 | Freddie | rofl |
| 19:33.47 | George- | bleh |
| 19:33.52 | George- | I'M NOT HARRY POTTER |
| 19:33.54 | George- | :) |
| 19:34.00 | phoen][x | you aint? |
| 19:34.11 | kergoth | George-: thats true |
| 19:34.13 | kergoth | George-: you're much more annoying |
| 19:34.17 | phoen][x | lol |
| 19:34.20 | George- | kergoth: thank you :) |
| 19:34.20 | Freddie | heheh |
| 19:34.33 | Freddie | I suppose his stylus is his wand |
| 19:34.33 | George- | anyway, Harry Potter didn't write a chapter in "ARMLinux for Developers" </boast> |
| 19:34.34 | Freddie | :) |
| 19:34.43 | kergoth | George-: bah, neither did you |
| 19:34.47 | George- | kergoth: yes i did! |
| 19:34.58 | George- | kergoth: you bastard :P |
| 19:35.04 | kergoth | righttt |
| 19:35.17 | George- | kergoth: no seriously, chapter 5 - Linux on Psion - I wrote it |
| 19:35.23 | George- | kergoth: well, I wrote 90% of it |
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| 19:35.30 | kergoth | heh, thats cool |
| 19:35.46 | George- | I saw the copyright date I set on it - September 2000 :) |
| 19:35.50 | George- | nearly 3 years ago |
| 19:35.50 | George- | hah |
| 19:36.09 | Freddie | so psion doesn't make handhelds anymore? |
| 19:36.16 | George- | Freddie: no |
| 19:36.33 | Freddie | seems like everyone that had them really liked them |
| 19:36.47 | treke | too bad they use a nasty closed source os |
| 19:36.48 | George- | that's because they rocked. Especially when they ran Linux :P |
| 19:36.58 | SuKoShi | George-: yes they do, workabout are still on production |
| 19:37.03 | George- | treke: EPOC was actually a damn nice OS :) |
| 19:37.07 | George- | SuKoShi: hrmm? they are? |
| 19:37.15 | SuKoShi | George-: yep |
| 19:37.15 | treke | George-: its still a crappy closed source os |
| 19:37.20 | George- | SuKoShi: that's more of an industrial strength thingy :) |
| 19:37.32 | SuKoShi | i used to work for farmexpress.com they use it. |
| 19:37.36 | George- | treke: yeh, that was the only bad thing |
| 19:37.54 | cynTop | kergoth's visage should be the default background for opie, and the appearance thing to change it should be broken |
| 19:38.00 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:38.08 | treke | fuck no |
| 19:38.12 | cynTop | :) |
| 19:38.16 | George- | kergoth: http://www.aleph1.co.uk/armlinux/book/psinst.html |
| 19:38.16 | kergoth | cynTop: oh, harlekin sent me a new 640x480 default background for c700 roms |
| 19:38.23 | kergoth | i'll include it in the next image |
| 19:38.24 | George- | kergoth: I wrote about 90% of that chapter |
| 19:38.25 | treke | I dont want kergoth's gay hair cut on my pda |
| 19:38.27 | cynTop | ah |
| 19:38.33 | kergoth | treke: aha |
| 19:38.49 | cynTop | keyboard/apm [apm thing is fixed afaik] were my only two real problems |
| 19:39.09 | kergoth | cynTop: yep, apm is fixed |
| 19:39.15 | kergoth | cynTop: i'll finish up keyboard soon, but probably not for the next image |
| 19:39.19 | kergoth | cynTop: likely the one after that |
| 19:39.21 | cynTop | tho I reflashed back to sharps rom because I had gotten used to checking/replying to emails on my Z and I needed full kb support for that |
| 19:39.23 | cynTop | ah |
| 19:39.40 | kergoth | too much to do |
| 19:39.46 | cynTop | I'll definately still flash it and play around with it, excellent |
| 19:39.47 | kergoth | i need to toss up a 5600 image for people to tst as well |
| 19:40.05 | SuKoShi | cynTop: so did i |
| 19:40.26 | SuKoShi | kergoth: my friend wants to test it on B500 |
| 19:40.26 | kergoth | so the keyboard handling the biggest issue right now, righit? |
| 19:40.39 | cynTop | imo yea |
| 19:40.44 | kergoth | k |
| 19:40.46 | cynTop | others might have other issues |
| 19:40.53 | kergoth | i wish i wouldnt have lost the patch i did for that |
| 19:40.57 | kergoth | gotta rewrite it |
| 19:40.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:40.57 | cynTop | doh! |
| 19:40.58 | George- | I want to put a SA1110 in my Psion :) |
| 19:41.04 | George- | I love the keyboard :P |
| 19:41.31 | SuKoShi | kergoth: do you think it'll be possible to put the japanese input methode from sharp in OZ ? |
| 19:41.50 | kergoth | SuKoShi: yeah, just right a script to rip em out and build an ipk |
| 19:41.55 | kergoth | write rather |
| 19:41.59 | Freddie | kergoth: GOD do I hate that |
| 19:42.13 | Freddie | I only lost one such patch in the last 15 years |
| 19:42.19 | Freddie | and ironically, it was a keyboard patch |
| 19:42.20 | kergoth | Freddie: plus side, the code's usually better the second time around |
| 19:42.28 | kergoth | but even so |
| 19:43.18 | kergoth | bleh, openzaurus-users has a lot of traffic nowadays |
| 19:43.39 | phoen][x | you have a ML? |
| 19:43.39 | Freddie | well, isn't general shutting down? |
| 19:43.54 | kergoth | phoen][x: oz has -users and -devel |
| 19:44.01 | kergoth | Freddie: yeah |
| 19:44.13 | phoen][x | kergoth: crap, why did i not read TFM in the first place? |
| 19:44.19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:44.24 | George- | kergoth: do you know anything about dancer-ircd? |
| 19:44.31 | kergoth | George-: nope |
| 19:44.49 | George- | kergoth: you bastard! I thought you were meant to be in UNIX tech support |
| 19:45.06 | kergoth | George-: i dont think my knoweldge of serial drivers will help you any |
| 19:45.08 | kergoth | George-: :) |
| 19:45.26 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:45.30 | George- | wahey |
| 19:46.12 | kergoth | ImaTroll: how subtle. |
| 19:46.20 | ImaTroll | :P |
| 19:46.28 | ImaTroll | troll troll troll |
| 19:47.22 | kergoth | hrm |
| 19:47.32 | kergoth | you know, my locked ibot factoid is annoying in that i cant change it myself either |
| 19:47.35 | kergoth | i should talk to tim |
| 19:47.39 | ImaTroll | rofl |
| 19:47.55 | kergoth | mewyn: nice |
| 19:48.00 | mewyn | george: you got that right. |
| 19:48.07 | George- | mewyn: I know :) |
| 19:48.36 | mewyn | kergoth: i actually worked out the application structure |
| 19:49.03 | jwiz | *sigh* I still can't get the damn background to change on my launcher |
| 19:49.05 | mewyn | it seems really wierd when you expect the solution to be more complex than what is right in front of you |
| 19:49.19 | George- | kergoth: Man, I love god mode on my IRC server :) |
| 19:49.45 | Freddie | George-: Why? You like being able to /kill yourself? |
| 19:50.16 | George- | --- You have been killed by George- (feel the wrath of yourself!) |
| 19:50.24 | Freddie | thought so |
| 19:50.24 | Freddie | :) |
| 19:50.27 | George- | hah |
| 19:50.28 | pHluid | ANyone tried the tkc PIM apps? Are they worth the coinage over the opie-* pim apps? |
| 19:50.42 | Freddie | pHluid: They look purdy |
| 19:50.44 | Freddie | that's about it |
| 19:50.46 | kergoth | the only tkc app i own is mahjongg, and it was slow as fuck |
| 19:50.53 | kergoth | Freddie: that pertiness is why they're slow as hell |
| 19:50.59 | George- | --- George- :has oper privs: aDFGHkKmMpPUvWyZ@ |
| 19:51.00 | George- | :) |
| 19:51.01 | kergoth | but oz lets you override their style |
| 19:51.04 | kergoth | so its better |
| 19:51.10 | pHluid | Freddie: Looks I give not a damn about, I just want them to be efficient and clena |
| 19:51.11 | Freddie | kergoth: I think you failed to adequately describe the lack of speed in mahjongg |
| 19:51.12 | pHluid | clean |
| 19:51.12 | Freddie | :) |
| 19:51.38 | kergoth | Freddie: indeed |
| 19:52.10 | pHluid | Jack the Unipsychle impressed the hell out of me |
| 19:52.11 | Freddie | the ONLY way to get around the slowness of the apps |
| 19:52.14 | George- | kergoth: tkcRace is slow as hell |
| 19:52.23 | kergoth | Freddie: is to uninstall them? |
| 19:52.29 | Freddie | is to fastload ALL of them |
| 19:52.33 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:52.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:52.40 | Freddie | but who has ram for that? |
| 19:52.40 | Freddie | :) |
| 19:52.43 | George- | kergoth: but that's because all the gfx are image files in the storage, and flash isn't fast enough for it (it needs to be installed to RAM) |
| 19:52.52 | Freddie | pHluid: Did you buy Jack the Unipsychle |
| 19:52.52 | Freddie | ? |
| 19:52.58 | pHluid | Freddie: No, but I will |
| 19:53.01 | pHluid | Been playing with the demo |
| 19:53.09 | George- | who *is* Freddie anyway? :P |
| 19:53.14 | Freddie | me |
| 19:53.19 | leffe | i just downloaded qtopia desktop for Linux, cant get it to sync with my 5600 over the network... |
| 19:53.22 | pHluid | It's incredibly smooth, considering... I was afraid it would be like the J2ME games and shit, heh |
| 19:53.29 | Freddie | george: You still have your keyboard slide out enabled sync cradle? |
| 19:53.36 | George- | pHluid: is it Java? |
| 19:53.51 | George- | Freddie: not yet |
| 19:53.54 | George- | Freddie: who are you!?!? |
| 19:53.56 | pHluid | George: No, just that J2ME has been my only prior experience with embedded devices :) |
| 19:53.58 | Freddie | not YET? |
| 19:54.00 | kergoth | hey cool |
| 19:54.03 | Freddie | I thought you built it eons ago |
| 19:54.03 | kergoth | i found a bunch of patches |
| 19:54.08 | kergoth | of shit i did long ago and forgot about |
| 19:54.09 | George- | Freddie: I did |
| 19:54.13 | George- | Freddie: it workd.. just |
| 19:54.14 | Freddie | what happened to it? |
| 19:54.18 | George- | Freddie: I scrapped it |
| 19:54.24 | Freddie | it looked pretty sad actually |
| 19:54.25 | Freddie | :) |
| 19:54.25 | pHluid | Talked to mutexer about it, he was like, yeh, it DID run like pure ass, but then he implemented ... I think it was warmi's assembler routines for the graphics |
| 19:54.27 | George- | Freddie: waiting for the time to do Ultra Cradle Mark II |
| 19:54.32 | pHluid | And I gotta say it runs like a sumbitch |
| 19:54.33 | Freddie | hehehe |
| 19:54.45 | hExml | oh |
| 19:54.49 | George- | Freddie: which will be done at the DT department at my school |
| 19:54.57 | Freddie | George-: Cool |
| 19:55.01 | George- | Freddie: ie - I'll vacuum form it and make it out of plastic |
| 19:55.05 | kergoth | bleh |
| 19:55.08 | hExml | anyone using zmame? |
| 19:55.08 | Freddie | pHluid: Did he pay warmi I hope? |
| 19:55.15 | George- | Freddie: gotta make a former tho' |
| 19:55.26 | pHluid | Freddie: uh... wouldn't that be a question for mutexer...? |
| 19:55.32 | pHluid | I know warmi is in the credits... |
| 19:55.36 | Freddie | pHluid: I agree |
| 19:55.44 | George- | what's warmi in the credits for? |
| 19:55.44 | Freddie | just thought maybe it came up in your conversation |
| 19:55.52 | George- | kergoth: who is freddie/!?!? |
| 19:55.56 | kergoth | George-: the use of zsurface |
| 19:55.59 | Freddie | George-: assembler graphics routines |
| 19:56.02 | kergoth | George-: freddie is freddie |
| 19:56.05 | George- | argh |
| 19:56.07 | Freddie | George-: Keep up man! |
| 19:56.09 | George- | Just tell me!!! |
| 19:56.13 | kergoth | George-: who are you? |
| 19:56.18 | George- | kergoth: I'm harry potter |
| 19:56.22 | George- | </joke> |
| 19:56.23 | kergoth | oh right. |
| 19:56.29 | kergoth | only more annoying |
| 19:56.33 | Freddie | heheheh |
| 19:56.35 | George- | kergoth: MUCH more annoying :) |
| 19:56.38 | Freddie | kergoth: Too true! :) |
| 19:56.45 | Freddie | man |
| 19:56.46 | mutexer | warmi didnt asked to be paid |
| 19:56.49 | Freddie | I gotta tell a story |
| 19:56.52 | Freddie | true story |
| 19:56.56 | mutexer | but he is in the credits and has a free copy of the game |
| 19:56.57 | pHluid | How well does Strategic Assault or mfighter run? |
| 19:57.02 | Freddie | this friend of mine went to radio shack the other day |
| 19:57.05 | Freddie | he is kindof weird |
| 19:57.21 | Freddie | doesn't like explaining things to people he doesn't know |
| 19:57.23 | leffe | how do you guys sync your z with any linux apps ? |
| 19:57.32 | Freddie | so he is buying parts for a project he is making |
| 19:57.41 | Freddie | and the guy at Radioshack asks him what he is building |
| 19:57.46 | Freddie | and he says "It's a secret" |
| 19:57.55 | Freddie | and the radioshack guy freaks out he wants to know so bad |
| 19:57.56 | pHluid | "a detonator." |
| 19:58.03 | Freddie | so he starts naming like a thousand things he thinks it is |
| 19:58.07 | Freddie | it was hilarious |
| 19:58.11 | Freddie | so now every time we go in there |
| 19:58.17 | Freddie | we tell them we are making secret things |
| 19:58.17 | Freddie | :) |
| 19:58.26 | George- | you sick bastard |
| 19:58.28 | warmi | mutexer: paid ? come on .. if you were to make couple of millions on it I would surely want to be included in the payments but since this market is so small - it would be ridiculus :-) |
| 19:58.37 | pHluid | heh |
| 19:58.48 | warmi | anyway, I had fun coding that asm anyway .. so who cares |
| 19:58.49 | pHluid | "OK, at 10% royalties, that comes to... OK, $18.50 |
| 19:58.57 | Freddie | warmi: So if I take your code, give you credit, and make a mere single million, I wouldn't have to pay? |
| 19:59.08 | hExml | correct. |
| 19:59.19 | mutexer | its the spirit of opensource freddie :) |
| 19:59.24 | Freddie | I know |
| 19:59.29 | Freddie | its just that opensource |
| 19:59.33 | hExml | opensores |
| 19:59.34 | warmi | Freddie: you are different matter .. I would suck ever penny out of you |
| 19:59.34 | Freddie | was included in a for SALE app |
| 19:59.35 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:59.38 | hExml | that is different |
| 19:59.41 | Freddie | warmi: EXCELLENT! |
| 19:59.42 | Freddie | :) |
| 19:59.42 | George- | OpenSource is EVIL! GO THE WAY OF THE CLOSED SOURCE! |
| 19:59.48 | pHluid | warmi: Your code been included in anything else?? |
| 19:59.49 | Freddie | warmi: I just wanted to make sure |
| 19:59.51 | kergoth | george is EVIL! |
| 19:59.58 | George- | kergoth: uhhh |
| 19:59.59 | mutexer | Freddie: my game is opensource... opensource doesnt mean free |
| 20:00.02 | George- | kergoth: no, I'm just annoying :) |
| 20:00.05 | warmi | Freddie: heheh |
| 20:00.11 | Freddie | mutexer: Oh, you did like warmi? |
| 20:00.16 | Freddie | what is it he made |
| 20:00.16 | warmi | pHluid: I don't know |
| 20:00.19 | Freddie | puzz-le |
| 20:00.20 | kergoth | puzz-le rocks. |
| 20:00.20 | Freddie | I think it was |
| 20:00.27 | Freddie | or am I remembering wrong? |
| 20:00.29 | kergoth | i still play it, but i never get very far |
| 20:00.29 | pHluid | warmi: hah, nothing that you know of, then? :) |
| 20:00.29 | mark | mutexer: you providing source to anyone? |
| 20:00.32 | warmi | Freddie: I did the same thing for PocketPC version |
| 20:00.33 | George- | Puzz-le is Open Source. It's EVIL! |
| 20:00.34 | mark | kergoth: yeah, it kicks arse |
| 20:00.39 | kergoth | because i keep reflashing and not backing up my saves |
| 20:00.41 | mark | kergoth: so shoulda won that devel competition |
| 20:00.41 | kergoth | so i start over |
| 20:00.48 | kergoth | mark: definately. |
| 20:00.52 | mutexer | mark: you have to buy it.. the source comes bundled with it |
| 20:00.53 | warmi | there it makes even more sense .. most people in Windows world have no clue how to compile stuff |
| 20:00.54 | mark | kergoth: 3 of those 'winner' apps never came to market |
| 20:00.58 | kergoth | mark: froot got boring in like 10 minutes |
| 20:01.01 | kergoth | mark: heheh |
| 20:01.03 | George- | uhm |
| 20:01.08 | warmi | mark: reall ? |
| 20:01.09 | mark | kergoth: the guitar tuner app never came |
| 20:01.12 | mark | warmi: yeah |
| 20:01.13 | warmi | I thought all of them came out |
| 20:01.16 | mark | warmi: nor did 'SMS suite' |
| 20:01.17 | George- | Puzz-le is Free Software - you can compile it with mroe than the demo levels iirc :) |
| 20:01.21 | warmi | ah the guitar .. right |
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| 20:01.37 | Freddie | kergoth: You played froot for 10 minutes? |
| 20:01.39 | mark | warmi: that looked like it was gonna be cool |
| 20:01.40 | pHluid | warmi: heh, I ONLY know how to compile with the gnu utils (gcc, nasm, etc) ... I have no clue how to use the win apps and whatnot. |
| 20:01.46 | Freddie | kergoth: I guess you have a longer attention span than me |
| 20:01.47 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:01.48 | warmi | George-: well, I could have done like mutexer .. make code GPL but copyrhing graphics and levels .. but who cares :-) |
| 20:01.50 | kergoth | Freddie: hehe |
| 20:01.53 | mark | warmi: oh btw |
| 20:01.53 | kergoth | Freddie: the game was too easy |
| 20:01.56 | George- | warmi: hah |
| 20:02.02 | George- | warmi: like ID software? |
| 20:02.07 | George- | warmi: with their Quake etc |
| 20:02.11 | warmi | compared what I make in my day job all that income from selling games is peanuts anyway |
| 20:02.16 | mark | warmi: for your puzz-le PPC port, couldn't you have used harmony LGPL qt like classes? |
| 20:02.23 | George- | ooh, warmi's a rich man |
| 20:02.24 | George- | :P |
| 20:02.36 | warmi | mark: well ... I thought harmony was long dead |
| 20:02.36 | treke | harmony? |
| 20:02.38 | mutexer | I like the GPL binary with copyrighted extra you have to buy... would be cool if more games did it |
| 20:02.41 | Freddie | warmi: How much would you say you have made from puzz-le if you don't mind saying? |
| 20:02.42 | treke | hasnt that been dead for years? |
| 20:02.43 | George- | kergoth: my plan to cost my warranty provider as much money as possible is working :) |
| 20:02.48 | Freddie | I was just curious what the market will bear |
| 20:03.10 | George- | harmony is the Qt replacement right? |
| 20:03.13 | warmi | Freddie: I would say like $1200 or so |
| 20:03.17 | treke | George-: was |
| 20:03.19 | mark | warmi: probably still works.. I don't know how much qt collection clases changed from qt1 -> qt2 |
| 20:03.23 | Freddie | warmi: That's pretty cool actually |
| 20:03.23 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:03.26 | George- | right. |
| 20:03.26 | warmi | I made more from PocketPC version though |
| 20:03.40 | Freddie | warmi: I would expect so |
| 20:03.44 | warmi | mark; where is that code ?? |
| 20:03.47 | George- | warmi: can you buy me some stuff witht hat 1200 USD? :) |
| 20:03.48 | treke | qt1->2 was pretty big I think |
| 20:03.58 | warmi | George-: talk to my wife .. |
| 20:03.58 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:04.00 | Freddie | warmi: How hard was it for you to learn the pocketpc dev environment? |
| 20:04.04 | mutexer | Ill brb |
| 20:04.04 | George- | warmi: bah |
| 20:04.10 | George- | warmi: you have a wife? :P |
| 20:04.23 | warmi | Freddie: well, what I did was write a qt like mini-toolkit on top of PocketPC framebuffer .. |
| 20:04.38 | warmi | but I do not Win32 APi - I just don't like it :-) |
| 20:04.41 | George- | warmi: haha |
| 20:04.41 | Freddie | oh, like a wrapper? |
| 20:04.46 | mark | warmi: seems to have disapeared :/ |
| 20:04.50 | George- | warmi: release it! |
| 20:05.07 | warmi | Freddie: not really a wrapper .. basically a mini-qt version from scratch using graphic primitives operating on framebuffer |
| 20:05.22 | warmi | I used libsig++ to simulate qt slots and signals etc |
| 20:05.22 | George- | warmi: RELEASE IT! :) |
| 20:05.33 | warmi | it is GPLed code |
| 20:05.40 | warmi | available as a part of Anigma source code |
| 20:05.49 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/pocketpc/anigma.shtml |
| 20:06.19 | mark | warmi: odd, i was browsing their old homepage a while ago, disappeared since |
| 20:06.33 | Zxcvb | kergoth: are you still here? |
| 20:06.35 | Freddie | warmi: Why the different name for pocketpc? |
| 20:06.45 | warmi | in fact due to the fact I wrote this toolkit myself .. I was able to include cool features like transparent dialogs ... dialogs zooming in.out instead of showing up on the screen |
| 20:06.46 | warmi | etc |
| 20:07.03 | warmi | Freddie: cause Puzz-le is not a very good name for a game :-) |
| 20:07.08 | Freddie | heh |
| 20:07.29 | Freddie | isn't it a port of a free game for the palm? |
| 20:07.37 | Freddie | I can't remember the name |
| 20:07.42 | Freddie | seems like it starts with an R though |
| 20:07.51 | Freddie | or a V |
| 20:07.53 | warmi | Freddie: not really a port ... I actually based my game on old PC Brix game .. |
| 20:07.58 | mark | warmi: a LGPL qt collection class like lib would be nice though |
| 20:07.58 | warmi | vexed for Palm is much simpler |
| 20:08.04 | Freddie | ahh - vexed |
| 20:08.06 | Freddie | thats it |
| 20:08.16 | warmi | it doesn't have all these moveable platforms/ trap blocks etc .. |
| 20:08.19 | Freddie | warmi: Well, I never played vexed - it just looks VERY similar |
| 20:08.53 | warmi | but someone ported 400 vexed levels to anigma format so I used it as well :-) |
| 20:09.07 | Freddie | hehehe |
| 20:09.28 | warmi | mark: o yeah .. I been looking for a collection like that .. |
| 20:09.40 | warmi | I couldn't find anything so I "ported" qt collection classes to PocketPC |
| 20:09.50 | Zxcvb | should the Z be on or off before flashing? |
| 20:09.51 | warmi | and that is why my code has to be GPLed tehre |
| 20:09.53 | warmi | there even |
| 20:10.18 | pHluid | Zxcvb: Umm, the first step in the flash process turns it off :P |
| 20:10.21 | mark | warmi: write one :P |
| 20:10.23 | warmi | hah |
| 20:10.36 | warmi | mark: well, yeah ... but I don't have a time for that |
| 20:11.02 | warmi | and , while I enjoyed creating my own GUI toolkit, I don't like creating collection classes .. |
| 20:11.05 | warmi | not much fun |
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| 20:11.11 | mark | warmi: the STL string/collectoin classes aren't too bad to use |
| 20:11.20 | pHluid | meh, is there any way to uninstall with aqpkg and do a purge at the same time? |
| 20:11.21 | warmi | mark: I was thinking about using STL .. |
| 20:11.34 | pHluid | Or would that have to be done with ipkg |
| 20:11.38 | warmi | they aren't as efficient as qt collection classes though |
| 20:11.49 | warmi | but it might a good idea |
| 20:11.51 | mewyn | warmi: you working on a new project? |
| 20:12.08 | warmi | frankly, I don't mind releasing my games under GPL ..I am not ashamed of my source code :-) |
| 20:12.27 | warmi | mewyn: yeah ... almost done with River Raid clone ( first for pocket PC then for the Zaurus) |
| 20:12.31 | mark | warmi: heh, no., and for windows stuff that no one knows how to compile your not gonna mis out |
| 20:13.01 | warmi | mark: yeah .. if anything I could what mutexer did |
| 20:13.01 | mewyn | warmi: when you're done with that, you wanna work on the 3/4 finished bejeweled clone i was working on? :) |
| 20:13.01 | pHluid | River Raid... river raid... |
| 20:13.02 | pHluid | whoa |
| 20:13.03 | pHluid | wait |
| 20:13.06 | pHluid | river raid for the atari? |
| 20:13.16 | warmi | release the source code under GPL and keep graphics and levels data proprietary |
| 20:13.33 | mark | warmi: yeah |
| 20:13.36 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/zraid.png |
| 20:13.52 | warmi | it still have Anigma caption cause I was working off the same code |
| 20:13.58 | warmi | have = has |
| 20:14.06 | mark | warmi: your graphics? |
| 20:14.10 | warmi | yeah |
| 20:14.16 | warmi | I always do my own graphics |
| 20:14.25 | mark | look nicer |
| 20:14.38 | warmi | actually, I am no artist .. just know how to use 3d software |
| 20:14.38 | mark | s/nicer/nice |
| 20:14.46 | warmi | :-) |
| 20:14.47 | mark | warmi: what have you used for thsoe? |
| 20:15.02 | warmi | Caligari Truespace |
| 20:15.11 | warmi | + Photoshop / Image Composer |
| 20:15.24 | Zxcvb | finally got OZ 3.2 working |
| 20:15.54 | mark | warmi: not heard of it. i've never put in enough time to learn any of these apps, it'd be nice to do thoug |
| 20:16.03 | warmi | I also came up with graphic sets for Neo|Work new kick ass tetris game but his artist came up with even better looking stuff |
| 20:16.06 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/tmp/tetris/ |
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| 20:16.29 | pHluid | oooh |
| 20:16.54 | pHluid | Skinnable? |
| 20:17.08 | mark | warmi: wow, some of these images and the caligari gallery are amazing |
| 20:17.24 | warmi | yeah, Caligari is pretty good |
| 20:17.49 | warmi | I created graphics for Puzz-le in caligari and touched up in Image Composer |
| 20:18.00 | warmi | apps liek that are perfect for people who can't draw :-) |
| 20:18.02 | mewyn | warmi: lemme know if you want my game, it's mostly finished |
| 20:18.29 | warmi | but have ennough artistic taste to came up with something nice |
| 20:18.36 | warmi | mewyn: you talking about that Mech game ? |
| 20:18.40 | Freddie | warmi: Is caligari free? |
| 20:18.45 | mewyn | no, the bejeweled game |
| 20:18.53 | Freddie | oh my GOD mewyn |
| 20:18.54 | mark | warmi: heh, i've tried 3d studio max and a couple of other things but had no luck creating anything decnet looking |
| 20:18.56 | warmi | ah , that game |
| 20:19.01 | Freddie | my wife SOOOOO loves bejeweled |
| 20:19.04 | mewyn | i got fairly far in it, i just couldn't get the blitting code working right |
| 20:19.07 | warmi | Freddie: not exactly ... like $400 |
| 20:19.15 | Freddie | warmi: Ahh |
| 20:19.20 | mewyn | i also needed to add levels and stuff |
| 20:19.21 | warmi | mark: Caligari is like simpler version of 3d max |
| 20:19.40 | warmi | mark: as with everything .. you have to learn the tool :-) |
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| 20:19.52 | mewyn | oops |
| 20:19.56 | mark | warmi: heh, yeh, i play for about an hour, get frustrated and give up |
| 20:20.07 | warmi | mark: hehe .. I got myself a book |
| 20:20.15 | warmi | and I been using caligari since 1998 or so |
| 20:20.56 | warmi | actually , recently I got myself another app |
| 20:21.01 | warmi | it is called POser |
| 20:21.21 | mark | warmi: yeh, heard of that |
| 20:21.27 | warmi | and it is great for creating/animating realistic looking humans |
| 20:21.35 | mark | warmi: oh and the tutorials i get are usually completely lacking |
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| 20:22.11 | warmi | well, you know .. by no means I am at the level of professional 3d max users etc ... |
| 20:22.30 | warmi | I just know how to texture models .. position them .. and generate animations - frame by frame |
| 20:22.38 | warmi | and that's all I really need |
| 20:22.41 | mark | warmi: how do you generate the wire frames? |
| 20:23.25 | warmi | well, I either download models from the net and modify them or just create my own out of primitives ( like cones, lines etc ..)_ |
| 20:23.38 | warmi | it is kind of slow and painfull process |
| 20:23.45 | mark | heh |
| 20:23.50 | warmi | but I don't have any other choice ":-) I mean I can't draw ... |
| 20:23.56 | mark | http://www.caligari.com/Gallery/OneManShow/AndyKay/bike.asp?Cate=GOneManShow |
| 20:24.00 | mark | i wonder how long that took :) |
| 20:24.42 | warmi | well, most likely how downloaded the model from the net |
| 20:24.51 | warmi | there are literally hundreds of free models available |
| 20:24.54 | Zxcvb | why is moving /usr to SD such a bad idea? |
| 20:25.03 | warmi | all kinds , planes, ships, forniture - you name it |
| 20:25.42 | mark | warmi: its a special feature on the guys talent, he probably made it :) |
| 20:25.54 | warmi | mark: btw .. I don't need to go into such details like this guy . |
| 20:26.00 | pHluid | Zx: I guess because if you manage to kill your SD you won' t be able to boot |
| 20:26.16 | warmi | I just generate different frames of relatively small objects on a neutral background |
| 20:26.18 | pHluid | Plus SD is slower |
| 20:26.50 | warmi | much easier - you don't have to worry as much about lights etc ... it all will end up as a 32x32 sprite anyway :-0 |
| 20:27.03 | mark | :) |
| 20:27.16 | Freddie | warmi: I can't draw either, but I was able to do this in an evening: http://www.team-lan.com/newsite |
| 20:27.25 | mewyn | ack! my wrist brace is getting all sweaty |
| 20:27.30 | Freddie | it doesn't have ANY content yet, but it does have some graphic stuff |
| 20:27.40 | warmi | that looks to me like a Gimp based creation |
| 20:27.47 | Freddie | photoshop |
| 20:27.54 | Freddie | like 10 BILLION frigging layers |
| 20:27.56 | Freddie | sucked arse |
| 20:27.59 | warmi | yeah .. as I said, this days with all these apps you can generate pretty good stuff |
| 20:28.12 | warmi | all you need is a bit of artistic taste .. |
| 20:28.14 | Freddie | if you hover on the links |
| 20:28.17 | Freddie | it highlights them |
| 20:28.20 | Freddie | and if you click them |
| 20:28.24 | Freddie | the title bar at the top changes |
| 20:28.37 | warmi | yeah, pretty cool |
| 20:28.41 | Freddie | but um |
| 20:28.44 | Freddie | that's all it does |
| 20:28.45 | Freddie | rofl |
| 20:28.59 | mark | yeh looks nice |
| 20:29.02 | Freddie | I did it to help a friend with that site |
| 20:29.11 | Freddie | he had some trouble setting up a nice navigation system |
| 20:29.16 | Freddie | so I made him one |
| 20:29.24 | warmi | the members icon .. are these helmets ? |
| 20:29.28 | Freddie | yup |
| 20:29.42 | Freddie | I had to dodge them a bit |
| 20:29.47 | Freddie | they were too dark to see |
| 20:29.57 | Freddie | and if I dodged them any more, they would blow the highlights even worse |
| 20:29.57 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:30.11 | warmi | is this for a some sort of game clan or something ? |
| 20:30.15 | Freddie | yeah |
| 20:30.17 | Freddie | a game group |
| 20:30.22 | warmi | which game ? |
| 20:30.22 | Freddie | counterstrike |
| 20:30.25 | Freddie | that kind of thing |
| 20:30.27 | warmi | ah counterstrike |
| 20:30.30 | Freddie | it isn't really a clan |
| 20:30.30 | warmi | yeah ... |
| 20:30.33 | Freddie | it is a game group |
| 20:30.39 | Freddie | plays all kinds of games - all team based |
| 20:30.41 | Freddie | hence the name |
| 20:30.42 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:30.50 | warmi | I prefer to play America's Army .. but it is quite similar kind of game play |
| 20:30.50 | Freddie | they even play RTSs |
| 20:30.56 | Freddie | right |
| 20:30.58 | mark | warmi: heh "support war now" on the bottom of your homepage |
| 20:31.02 | Freddie | lots of tl'ers play americas army |
| 20:31.16 | warmi | mark: yeah .. we all have our little couses we are rooting for |
| 20:31.17 | warmi | heh |
| 20:31.30 | mark | warmi: :) |
| 20:31.37 | Freddie | I do like the tube-o-lube warmi |
| 20:31.40 | Freddie | very appropriate |
| 20:32.20 | warmi | mark: yeah .... you know , despite what some claim there are people who actually did vote for Bush :-) |
| 20:32.38 | Freddie | warmi: NO! It is a false rumour!!!! :) |
| 20:32.46 | mark | warmi: apparently blair is v popular over there atm |
| 20:32.53 | warmi | mark: in US ? |
| 20:32.59 | mark | yes |
| 20:34.01 | mewyn | warmi: have you been outside lately? |
| 20:34.31 | warmi | well, you know .. Blair was following Churchil's advise ... which was something like " no matter what you do , don't get separated from Americans " |
| 20:34.44 | mark | morning Twiun |
| 20:34.46 | warmi | mewyn: in what sense ? |
| 20:34.54 | Twiun | mark: hey mark |
| 20:34.57 | warmi | yeah, I went out for lunch like an hour ago |
| 20:35.03 | Freddie | warmi: Are you familiar with alt-printscreen? |
| 20:35.14 | mewyn | it's so damned nice out here :) |
| 20:35.19 | warmi | Freddie: yeah .. it supposed to create screen shot or something like that |
| 20:35.26 | warmi | Freddie: why do you ask ? |
| 20:35.27 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:35.31 | Freddie | warmi: Screen shot of the current app only |
| 20:35.34 | Freddie | not entire desktop |
| 20:35.40 | Freddie | it looked like you might find it handy to know |
| 20:35.42 | Freddie | . . . . |
| 20:35.43 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:36.09 | warmi | well, I never used that anyway .. I actually used stand alone apps for that |
| 20:36.11 | warmi | heh |
| 20:36.14 | warmi | but good to know |
| 20:36.15 | Freddie | ahhh |
| 20:36.17 | Freddie | ok |
| 20:36.22 | Freddie | well, just thought I would tell ya |
| 20:36.30 | Freddie | looks like you were helping someone on the openzaurus website |
| 20:36.37 | Freddie | and took an entire desktop screenshot |
| 20:36.38 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:36.42 | warmi | mewyn: yeah .. it surely is |
| 20:37.38 | warmi | Freddie: yeah .. could be , heh |
| 20:38.37 | warmi | oh that thing .. yeah, I did |
| 20:39.15 | warmi | you mean zdjecia ? |
| 20:39.19 | Freddie | yeah |
| 20:39.25 | Freddie | looks like just a collection of pics I see now |
| 20:39.35 | Freddie | friends? |
| 20:39.57 | warmi | that's me an my wife when we were 23 years old |
| 20:39.58 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/zdjecia/AGWOJ.BMP |
| 20:40.02 | Freddie | http://www.warmi.net/images/zdjecia/WARMIAK.JPG |
| 20:40.05 | Freddie | could this be you? |
| 20:40.16 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:40.32 | warmi | yeah, that warmiak is me when I was 27 or so |
| 20:40.35 | Freddie | http://www.warmi.net/images/zdjecia/AGATBW.BMP |
| 20:41.04 | Twiun | warmi: god you're ugly... what did she do to marry you? |
| 20:41.11 | warmi | that's my wife in highschool |
| 20:41.12 | pHluid | warmi: you hosting this off your Zaurus or something? :P |
| 20:41.18 | Freddie | I was curious - is that your wife from like a LONG time ago? |
| 20:41.20 | warmi | Twiun: hehe. .. ask her :-) |
| 20:41.20 | Freddie | ahh |
| 20:41.32 | treke | Twiun: maybe he's really rich |
| 20:41.42 | warmi | pHluid: no ... just 128 up / 768 down |
| 20:41.51 | Twiun | treke: could be |
| 20:42.01 | chouimat | Twiun: maybe she lost a bet .... |
| 20:42.03 | Freddie | DSL then? |
| 20:42.11 | warmi | yeah |
| 20:42.14 | Freddie | cool |
| 20:42.16 | mark | chouimat: hehe |
| 20:42.17 | Twiun | warmi: any particular reason for the wide range of image formats? |
| 20:42.20 | pHluid | Hey, anybody got the A/C adapter for their Z handy?? |
| 20:42.33 | pHluid | I just need to know the power ratings off it real quick |
| 20:42.35 | Freddie | pHluid: I have my iPAQ one handy |
| 20:42.39 | Freddie | it should help ya |
| 20:42.39 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:42.46 | pHluid | Freddie: Um, are they the same thing? |
| 20:42.57 | warmi | Twiun: no, this is just a junk |
| 20:43.00 | treke | having seen the image, I've changed their mind |
| 20:43.02 | Freddie | +5v 2a |
| 20:43.05 | treke | there is no way he could be that rich |
| 20:43.20 | warmi | I need to have that accesible over the net for some reason so I quickly dumped it there |
| 20:43.20 | pHluid | Freddie: Are they the same, though...? |
| 20:43.49 | Twiun | warmi: Ahh. |
| 20:44.07 | Freddie | pHluid: I have used my iPAQ adapters since I first got a Z roughly a year or so ago |
| 20:44.08 | Twiun | warmi: you should borrow icefox's php image gallery stuff |
| 20:44.30 | warmi | Twiun: well, yeah .. but the thing is I don't intend to make a gallery out of it :-) |
| 20:44.36 | warmi | this stuff shouldn't be even there :-) |
| 20:44.37 | pHluid | I've got a sneaking suspicion my cellphone uses the same shit |
| 20:46.10 | Freddie | pHluid: it is nice having multiple adapters in multiple locations |
| 20:46.11 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:46.28 | Freddie | I have one at work, in the computer room at home, in the bedroom at home, in the car, and in my backpack for school |
| 20:46.33 | Freddie | my Z is NEVER without power |
| 20:46.34 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:47.27 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:47.59 | Freddie | jack the uni-psychle looks like it was drawn in flash |
| 20:47.59 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:48.08 | mewyn | what about on the train, freddie? |
| 20:48.15 | Freddie | no trains here |
| 20:48.28 | Twiun | warmi: ok... |
| 20:48.39 | warmi | Freddie: yeah .... 1989 I went to college |
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| 20:48.54 | *** join/#zaurus Sniper (~Sniper@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com) |
| 20:49.06 | warmi | Freddie: I am frigging 32 years old |
| 20:49.09 | warmi | heh |
| 20:49.10 | Twiun | hey Sniper |
| 20:49.14 | Sniper | hi |
| 20:49.31 | Freddie | wow warmi |
| 20:49.33 | pHluid | damn |
| 20:49.34 | Freddie | we are the same age |
| 20:49.40 | pHluid | Freddie: You said 5.0v 2a? |
| 20:49.40 | Freddie | I sortof thought we might be |
| 20:49.45 | warmi | heh |
| 20:49.50 | pHluid | My cell uses 5.0v 1a |
| 20:49.51 | Freddie | pHluid: Yes - that is the iPAQ adapter |
| 20:49.53 | pHluid | hrm. |
| 20:49.56 | Freddie | which is flawless on the Z |
| 20:50.19 | Twiun | Sniper: seeing as Sharp are going to switch to Sun's J2ME, will we have the same (or better) support for developers through Sharp, or will we have to depend on Sun directly? |
| 20:50.48 | Sniper | most liklely through sun |
| 20:50.49 | Freddie | howdy sniper |
| 20:50.54 | treke | hey sniper |
| 20:51.03 | Freddie | are you the only one working at Sharp USA these days? |
| 20:51.07 | Sniper | nope |
| 20:51.12 | Freddie | that's good to hear |
| 20:51.14 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:51.19 | Sniper | despite what you're hearing.. we are hiring |
| 20:51.21 | Freddie | seems like lots of folks getting the shaft there |
| 20:51.21 | Freddie | :( |
| 20:51.30 | Sniper | we hired new person |
| 20:51.33 | Twiun | Sniper: I don't suppose there'll be any way of putting pressure on them? |
| 20:51.41 | Sniper | them=Sun? |
| 20:51.55 | Twiun | Sniper: Yeah, I'm thinking of the poor lead times we had with bugs in Jeode |
| 20:52.06 | Sniper | insignia sold jeode |
| 20:52.11 | Sniper | i think they had some issues |
| 20:52.20 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:52.24 | warmi | Twiun: is there are reason that J2ME on Z will be different than the generic version available from SUN ? |
| 20:52.33 | Sniper | use the sun version |
| 20:52.41 | Twiun | warmi: I hope some bugs will be worked out in the Sun one |
| 20:52.46 | warmi | heh |
| 20:52.52 | mewyn | what about qt bindings? |
| 20:53.02 | Twiun | Sniper: I'm in contact with Sun about their bugs - but fast isn't a word I'd use |
| 20:53.05 | mutexer | Im not even attempting Java on the Z.. it runs like crap on my 800mhz |
| 20:53.09 | Twiun | Sniper: the build on their site is from Dec 24 |
| 20:53.10 | Freddie | sniper: I heard a new 5500 rom was coming out. Is there any sort of public statement from Sharp about this that I could read? |
| 20:53.15 | George- | Sniper: will Sharp USA hire me? :) |
| 20:53.19 | warmi | btw .. what kind of GUI does J2ME support ? just AWT ? |
| 20:53.20 | Sniper | if you guys can detail document the problems with java on the Z - I will send them along |
| 20:53.37 | Sniper | i need exact replicating details to send over |
| 20:53.40 | doughecka | woo |
| 20:53.43 | Sniper | george: we just hired someone |
| 20:53.55 | mutexer | Heres a suggestion: ditch qtopia 1.5 |
| 20:53.56 | doughecka | Sniper: hmm, I have a question |
| 20:53.56 | Twiun | warmi: AWT, same as Jeode (including bugs) and the microedition LCD stuff |
| 20:54.02 | Sniper | freddie: the only public statement you'll get is from me on the forums |
| 20:54.09 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:54.11 | mutexer | way too many bugs |
| 20:54.14 | warmi | including bugs you say ? |
| 20:54.15 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:54.23 | doughecka | Sniper: Can I send in my Z and have it unbricked? |
| 20:54.36 | Freddie | sniper: Ok - thanks. I know you are super hella busy so I didn't want to ask questions that were likely already asked. I will check the forums. Thanks! |
| 20:54.36 | treke | how did you brick your Z? |
| 20:54.37 | Sniper | send me exact details on bugs/problems with java on the Zaurus (spencer@zaurus.com) i'll forward them along |
| 20:54.49 | Twiun | warmi: Trolltech's qtawt afaik hasn't been worked on actively for at least a year or so |
| 20:55.23 | mutexer | There is a bug in Qtopia where some of the Z's face buttons dont send keydown events.. just key up |
| 20:55.32 | warmi | Twiun: well,..this is understendable .. I guess Trolls would prefer people to use Qt directly |
| 20:55.33 | Freddie | treke: My understanding was that the only real way to brick a Z was to screw up the boot loader during flash |
| 20:55.45 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:55.46 | doughecka | I dint |
| 20:55.52 | Twiun | warmi: I suppose so - but then why not just open source the binding? |
| 20:55.54 | pyromance | Odd |
| 20:56.00 | warmi | understandable even |
| 20:56.00 | doughecka | I got it off ebay, thought I could just reflash it |
| 20:56.08 | doughecka | it boots to the sharp logo and cursor |
| 20:56.11 | warmi | yeah, it would make sense |
| 20:56.18 | doughecka | I think thats bricked |
| 20:56.22 | pyromance | Of course, MOST keyboard-equipped handhelds don't assign enough priority to the keys. |
| 20:56.24 | Freddie | doughecka: I saw that one on ebay |
| 20:56.31 | Freddie | thought it might be a risky buy |
| 20:56.34 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:56.36 | doughecka | :Z |
| 20:56.42 | doughecka | but maybe its my CF card |
| 20:56.43 | warmi | Freddie: you got 5500 right ? |
| 20:56.47 | Freddie | they said something like "we don't know if it works or not" |
| 20:56.53 | Freddie | warmi: I have 5000d and 5500 |
| 20:56.53 | doughecka | hah |
| 20:56.57 | Freddie | the 5000d is hella cracked though |
| 20:57.02 | Freddie | works great otherwise though |
| 20:57.02 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:57.05 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:57.15 | Freddie | just no more touch screen |
| 20:57.22 | pyromance | If they don't know, then it doesn't work. They won't sell an iffy $400 retail handheld on eBay without testing. |
| 20:57.33 | Freddie | warmi: I also have a 3650 and a 3850 |
| 20:57.39 | pyromance | If it works, they'll say it works. If it doesn't work, they'll say they don't know ;) |
| 20:57.41 | warmi | uh ... you bought 5000d back in 2002 ? |
| 20:57.44 | Freddie | and my wife has a IIIC |
| 20:57.51 | warmi | holy crap .. man |
| 20:57.54 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:58.03 | pyromance | The IIIc was a good unit. I burned through two of 'em |
| 20:58.03 | Freddie | wut? |
| 20:58.10 | warmi | well, I got 5000d and ipaq 3835 |
| 20:58.25 | doughecka | Sniper: well, can I get it unbricked? George- I think said it was possible to get it unbricked |
| 20:58.25 | warmi | and I was hoping to get C 700 |
| 20:58.38 | Freddie | the 5500 is of no better capability than the 5000d |
| 20:58.47 | doughecka | price! |
| 20:58.48 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:58.51 | warmi | Freddie: well, it has more ram :-) |
| 20:58.53 | warmi | that should count for something |
| 20:59.03 | Freddie | warmi: I never EVER had ram issues with the 5000d |
| 20:59.06 | doughecka | er, the 5000d has better price |
| 20:59.16 | Twiun | Freddie: I still don't have ram issues with my 5000d :) |
| 20:59.27 | warmi | well, obviously you never tried to run Palm emulator or Kongueror |
| 20:59.28 | Freddie | Twiun: I wouldn't either if I was still using it |
| 20:59.30 | warmi | :-) |
| 20:59.35 | Freddie | warmi: Konqueror works fine |
| 20:59.39 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:59.39 | warmi | really ? |
| 20:59.47 | Freddie | and I used palm emulator without issue as well |
| 20:59.49 | warmi | Freddie: what kind of ROM you got in that 500d ? |
| 20:59.50 | George- | doughecka: I said no such thing |
| 20:59.56 | Freddie | the deal with palm emulator is that it was slow as CRAP |
| 20:59.58 | Twiun | warmi: taken the SCJP yet? |
| 20:59.59 | doughecka | George-: oh, then someone said that |
| 20:59.59 | Freddie | totally unusable |
| 21:00.00 | George- | doughecka: I said sniper *might* be able to help :P |
| 21:00.11 | Freddie | warmi: I flashed OZ onto my 5000d the moment I got it |
| 21:00.13 | Freddie | :) |
| 21:00.15 | doughecka | George-: silly british people :P |
| 21:00.20 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 21:00.27 | warmi | Twiun: no .. I am too busy coding Java at work :-) |
| 21:00.31 | Freddie | I have yet to EVER do more than turn on a Z with stock rom |
| 21:00.40 | Neo|Work | what is SCJP? |
| 21:00.40 | Freddie | never run any apps in stock rom or used any buttons or anything |
| 21:00.41 | Freddie | :) |
| 21:00.42 | Twiun | warmi: take a look at this place http://javacertificate.com |
| 21:00.50 | pyromance | I still have a Handspring Magellan springboard GPS laying about.... I should sell that but I lost the CD |
| 21:01.09 | Twiun | Neo|Work: sun certified java programmer qualification |
| 21:01.13 | Freddie | pyromance: Surely you can download the drivers. . . |
| 21:01.16 | Neo|Work | I see |
| 21:01.20 | Neo|Work | a fluffy paper |
| 21:01.24 | Freddie | Neo: heheh |
| 21:01.30 | Twiun | Neo|Work: quick question about your fullscreen code if I may |
| 21:01.35 | warmi | Neo|Work: heeh .. same can be said about your college degree :-) |
| 21:01.36 | Neo|Work | you may |
| 21:01.37 | pyromance | Freddie: It's NMEA compliant so you don't need drivers, but the CD had non-downloadable map software |
| 21:01.41 | Twiun | yeah, but the employers dig fluffy paper :) |
| 21:01.46 | warmi | a piece of paper :-) |
| 21:01.49 | Neo|Work | warmi: right. However I don't have a college degree... |
| 21:02.11 | Neo|Work | as a matter of fact, I really have no fluffy papers to show at all |
| 21:02.16 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:02.17 | Twiun | Neo|Work: you've implemented it in a derived class - is it doable without doing this? |
| 21:02.29 | Neo|Work | Twiun: that is how you handle events so no |
| 21:02.37 | warmi | well, sometimes it doesn't matter but sometimes fluffy papers is all what some people care about |
| 21:03.07 | Twiun | Neo|Work: can't add it in as an event filter at the top level? |
| 21:03.24 | Twiun | Neo|Work: I don't need to discriminate - I can blanket all windows to be fullscreen |
| 21:03.49 | warmi | Twiun: you doing some full screen code in Java ? |
| 21:03.52 | pyromance | Anyone else here own a Netgear MA701? General consensus is that it sucks, right? |
| 21:03.53 | Freddie | :) |
| 21:03.57 | Twiun | warmi: of course :) |
| 21:04.00 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:04.10 | Twiun | warmi: and I got it working... BUT, I also need something additional |
| 21:04.43 | Freddie | Sniper: Any word on whether the updated ROM will change the PIM xml format? |
| 21:04.44 | warmi | Twiun: does Java support full screen code ( beyond simply creating full screen window ) ? |
| 21:04.50 | warmi | code = mode |
| 21:05.08 | Neo|Work | Twiun: I suppose an event filter might work too yes |
| 21:05.10 | Neo|Work | possibly |
| 21:05.12 | Neo|Work | I don't know |
| 21:05.29 | doughecka | ~logs |
| 21:05.30 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 21:07.39 | doughecka | http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?Zaurus |
| 21:07.47 | Twiun | Neo|Work: ok, I'll have to try it |
| 21:08.05 | Twiun | warmi: no, there's nothing in the pre 1.4 specs |
| 21:09.50 | warmi | Twiun: you are certified JAva programmer/developer right ? |
| 21:10.01 | Twiun | warmi: studying for the exam |
| 21:10.06 | warmi | ah ok |
| 21:10.28 | warmi | my buddy here went for programmer paper couple of months ago |
| 21:10.31 | warmi | he said it was easy |
| 21:10.40 | Twiun | warmi: it is |
| 21:10.43 | warmi | I mean, easy for someone who works with java on daily basis |
| 21:10.47 | Twiun | warmi: yeah |
| 21:11.23 | chouimat | ls |
| 21:11.56 | George- | whoa |
| 21:12.07 | George- | Jack the Uni Psychle is Open Source? |
| 21:12.28 | doughecka | http://openwince.sourceforge.net/jtag/ |
| 21:12.51 | warmi | George-: the source code only |
| 21:12.56 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:13.03 | warmi | so if you like the game , you got to buy it |
| 21:13.11 | warmi | and rightfully so |
| 21:13.13 | warmi | :-) |
| 21:13.26 | George- | hah |
| 21:13.37 | George- | warmi: btw - my HTML editor has sold 9 copies :) |
| 21:13.59 | pyromance | Damn |
| 21:14.01 | pHluid | George: Going to Disneyland? |
| 21:14.07 | pyromance | I just went over in my head how many different handhelds I owned |
| 21:14.20 | pyromance | ... sad |
| 21:14.27 | warmi | George- does it work 100% ? |
| 21:14.32 | warmi | I remember you had some issues with it |
| 21:14.48 | warmi | pHluid: hehee |
| 21:14.49 | doughecka | pyromance: gimme one |
| 21:14.59 | George- | warmi: I have issues with myself :P |
| 21:15.14 | pyromance | Doug: The only one I still have is my SL-5500 |
| 21:15.19 | warmi | well, I wasn't asking about that |
| 21:15.21 | warmi | :-) |
| 21:15.35 | George- | warmi: what issues are you referring to? |
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| 21:15.36 | doughecka | oh |
| 21:15.42 | George- | warmi: I thought I ironed them all out.. :) |
| 21:15.54 | pHluid | I've got the Zaurus, and a Cybiko Xtreme that has never fucking worked :) |
| 21:16.03 | Freddie | warmi: Do you have any idea of like when handango sends out payments to people? |
| 21:16.21 | Freddie | do you receive a check onlike the 15th of every month or something? |
| 21:16.36 | warmi | Freddie: I think it was like every 15th for me |
| 21:16.55 | Freddie | was? |
| 21:17.11 | warmi | I mean it still is :-) |
| 21:17.37 | Freddie | heh |
| 21:17.44 | warmi | I don't remember .. my wife takes care of all this "money" stuff :-) |
| 21:17.49 | warmi | I just get weekly allowance |
| 21:17.54 | Freddie | mine too |
| 21:17.57 | pyromance | I had a pre-release Cassiopeia A-11 (ex-girl stole), a PalmPilot 5000 (returend when 3Com bought US Robotics and laid me off) two PalmPilot Professionals (one accidentally got left on the roof of my car, one got sold when job market got tight,) two Palm IIIc (one sold when I got poor, one given to Mom) and a Handspring Visor Prism (stopped charging and is sitting in a box) |
| 21:17.59 | Freddie | I get biweekly allowance |
| 21:18.00 | Freddie | :) |
| 21:18.01 | George- | Freddie: where do you live? |
| 21:18.22 | pyromance | And of course my SL-5500 |
| 21:18.32 | Freddie | George-: Arizona, why? |
| 21:18.41 | George- | Freddie: just wondering |
| 21:18.42 | Freddie | mutexer: heheheh |
| 21:18.45 | pyromance | Freddie: Where in AZ? I'm in Phoenix. |
| 21:18.47 | Freddie | George-: Where do you live? |
| 21:18.53 | Freddie | pyromance: I am in Mesa at the moment |
| 21:18.54 | Freddie | :) |
| 21:19.01 | George- | The firey chasms of Mount Doom |
| 21:19.09 | Freddie | George-: I KNEW IT! |
| 21:19.20 | pyromance | Freddie: My parents are in Mesa. I stayed with them when I first moved out here until I got a job. |
| 21:19.24 | George- | :P |
| 21:19.39 | Freddie | pyromance: My sister lives in Phoenix |
| 21:19.43 | Freddie | she works there too |
| 21:19.47 | George- | warmi: http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=23F711EEE7XXE2FX3F7B9EEB546C773F&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=48578§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 21:19.58 | Freddie | god help anyone using that link |
| 21:19.59 | George- | warmi: I don't get a cheque until my profits reach $100 though :( |
| 21:20.04 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:20.14 | doughecka | Freddie: worked for me |
| 21:20.18 | mutexer | George-: you wrote that? |
| 21:20.20 | Freddie | George-: They send you checks only on increments of $100? |
| 21:20.20 | pyromance | Freddie: You have a WiFi card? |
| 21:20.30 | George- | Freddie: yeh |
| 21:20.33 | George- | mutexer: yes |
| 21:20.33 | Freddie | George-: Is that their standard practice? |
| 21:20.35 | doughecka | George-: wow... its a... text editor |
| 21:20.36 | Freddie | or something you arranged? |
| 21:20.44 | Freddie | pyromance: Socket card, yeah |
| 21:20.45 | George- | Freddie: it is for people outside the US |
| 21:20.45 | warmi | George-: I think you can request them to send you the ballance |
| 21:20.51 | George- | warmi: hrmm |
| 21:20.54 | mutexer | hanango requires at least a 100 bucks before they wil cut a check for outside us |
| 21:20.56 | George- | warmi: I've only got $45 so far :) |
| 21:20.59 | mutexer | 50 bucks for in US |
| 21:21.01 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:21.04 | pyromance | Freddie: Since you're local, do you know about ZapLane? |
| 21:21.08 | warmi | mutexer: got any sales so far ? |
| 21:21.09 | Freddie | mutexer: Ahh |
| 21:21.11 | mutexer | I havent gotten a check on my first game yet |
| 21:21.16 | mutexer | warmi: 5 |
| 21:21.20 | George- | mutexer: what game's this? |
| 21:21.28 | Freddie | so I need to price my software at $50 per copy so I always get a check |
| 21:21.29 | Freddie | :) |
| 21:21.36 | George- | doughecka: I'l have you know that "editor" was a bitch to write |
| 21:21.38 | warmi | well, so you gonna get your check pretty soon ..combined with that first game sales |
| 21:21.41 | Freddie | pyromance: Nope - what is it? |
| 21:21.52 | mutexer | George-: http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?catalog=1&jid=98F993X7EXE1CBCCDAD19EEDFE96F76E&productId=44382&authorId=178842§ionId=0&productType=2&siteId=1&platformId=9 |
| 21:21.53 | doughecka | George-: hmm |
| 21:21.56 | pyromance | Free Wifi access points at Circle K locations around Phoenix |
| 21:21.59 | pyromance | Freddie: http://www.zaplane.com/locations.htm |
| 21:22.01 | mutexer | only sold 10 copies in like 6 months |
| 21:22.02 | doughecka | is it wysyeyg or whatever? |
| 21:22.10 | mutexer | and its priced the same as yours :) |
| 21:22.31 | warmi | mutexer: was that game written in Java ? |
| 21:22.37 | mutexer | I got like one check in the beginning for like 16 bucks before they started the 50 bucks minimum |
| 21:22.38 | Freddie | WOAH |
| 21:22.46 | Freddie | that is awesome man! |
| 21:22.52 | Freddie | really really cool |
| 21:22.59 | mutexer | warmi: nope something worst..qpainter :) |
| 21:23.04 | Freddie | I will have to try that out on my way home |
| 21:23.16 | warmi | ah .. heh , actually QPainter is faster then Graphics object in Java :-) |
| 21:23.19 | George- | mutexer: you wrote Jack the Uni-Psycle? |
| 21:23.20 | pyromance | Freddie: Also on Mill's End in Tempe there's a free WiFi point. The one at Coffee Plantation is a pay-per-use |
| 21:23.26 | mutexer | George-: yeah |
| 21:23.37 | Freddie | pyromance: Pay per packet? :) |
| 21:23.40 | warmi | Freddie: you are in AZ ? |
| 21:23.45 | Freddie | warmi: mmhmm |
| 21:23.47 | mutexer | Jack the uni-psychle is a much better game than The Hunter Project |
| 21:23.54 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:24.01 | mutexer | THP is mostly reading.. since its a rpg |
| 21:24.02 | pyromance | Jack is an excellent game ... Pretty fun |
| 21:24.03 | Freddie | warmi: Why? |
| 21:24.07 | warmi | George, as usual, being a little ashole |
| 21:24.16 | warmi | Freddie: nothing really, just curious |
| 21:24.23 | Freddie | warmi: Where are you located? |
| 21:24.35 | George- | I KEEP DYING! |
| 21:24.36 | pyromance | Freddie: Actually you pay for an hour access to their proxy server, over which you get Internet access. Pretty damn lame since three blocks north is a free WiFi point |
| 21:24.40 | warmi | IL, 1 hour south from Chicago |
| 21:24.42 | George- | warmi: bah |
| 21:24.47 | mutexer | THP is what I did for the sharp challenge when I got my Z |
| 21:24.51 | Freddie | pyromance: heh |
| 21:25.01 | mutexer | so its implementation is not pretty |
| 21:25.02 | pyromance | Warmi: I spent the first 24 years of my life in and around Chicago |
| 21:25.02 | Freddie | warmi: ahh |
| 21:25.09 | warmi | mutexer: ah ok .. so you were late comer :-) |
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| 21:25.23 | doughecka | anyone know how to um... solder a JTAG board to a Z? |
| 21:25.33 | warmi | pyromance: I spent my first 23 years of live around Prussia :-) |
| 21:25.34 | mutexer | warmi: yeah |
| 21:25.38 | Freddie | doughecka: What do you want jtag for? |
| 21:25.38 | pyromance | Hahaha |
| 21:25.45 | doughecka | Freddie: unbrick it |
| 21:25.46 | Freddie | doughecka: You an EE? |
| 21:25.47 | warmi | pyromance: btw.. I am not surprised you are gone .. I don't like Chicago all that much :-) |
| 21:25.52 | Freddie | oh, that would make sense then. |
| 21:25.53 | George- | doughecka: the sharp serial iO port has a jtag interface iirc |
| 21:25.53 | mutexer | THP was a good learning experience... really helped in making Jack |
| 21:25.54 | pyromance | Anyone want to buy me a Zaurus serial cable? |
| 21:26.00 | doughecka | George-: OH? |
| 21:26.12 | doughecka | George-: hmmmmmmmm, how do I get to it? |
| 21:26.15 | Freddie | mutexer: Did you use flash for any of your graphics? |
| 21:26.17 | warmi | mutexer: well, yeah ... even with ZSurface you still have to use Qt for everything else |
| 21:26.19 | Freddie | they have a very flash-like look |
| 21:26.31 | pyromance | I LOVED Chicago... Arizona is a hell pit. Chicago had night life, culture, seasons, green trees, museums, huge libraries, and interesting stuff and people. |
| 21:26.45 | mutexer | Freddie: nope |
| 21:26.52 | warmi | pyromance: and frigging hot and humid climate |
| 21:26.57 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:26.58 | Freddie | mutexer: Well, regardless, it looks cool. Nice job man! :) |
| 21:27.03 | mutexer | thx |
| 21:27.04 | George- | mutexer: you're probably going to make heinous amounts of money from Jack the Uni-Psychle |
| 21:27.06 | Freddie | I need to download it at some point |
| 21:27.16 | pyromance | Don't tell me about hot, warmi. I'm in the friggin DESERT ;) |
| 21:27.16 | mutexer | George-: I wish :) |
| 21:27.34 | mutexer | Im working on PPC version... Im hoping it does well |
| 21:27.42 | warmi | mutexer: to thinking of it .. it does kind of look like Flash style graphics .. or perhaps more like cartoon style graphics |
| 21:27.44 | Freddie | hot is your car at 3pm in the middle of a parking lot after being at work all day on a 122 degree day |
| 21:27.46 | Freddie | THAT is hot. |
| 21:28.06 | mutexer | THP is "writer graphics" cant say programmer cause he was a writer |
| 21:28.11 | pyromance | Freddie: The car I had when I moved here is one I purchased in Chicago. No air conditioning. |
| 21:28.17 | mutexer | Jack is actual artist.. cartoon graphics |
| 21:28.22 | doughecka | complainers |
| 21:28.29 | Freddie | pyromance: It says you have to pay for zaplane |
| 21:28.32 | pyromance | I lived over an entire year in Phoenix with no AC in the car |
| 21:28.46 | doughecka | I live on venus, the car gets hot AND crushed at the same time |
| 21:28.52 | warmi | Freddie: nah ... I don't mind heat ... it is humidity that kills me |
| 21:29.07 | Freddie | yeah, I drove a car with 2 50 air conditioning for 3 years here (2 windows, 50 mph) |
| 21:29.18 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:29.23 | doughecka | I have a 4 100 |
| 21:29.25 | George- | doughecka: I live in the firey chasms of Mount Doom, and it's bloody hot! |
| 21:29.31 | pyromance | Damn it! It used to be free! That must've been a beta... their site changed. www.zaplane.com main page is "coming soon" |
| 21:29.33 | doughecka | George-: oh |
| 21:29.38 | mutexer | George-: texas? |
| 21:29.39 | mutexer | :P |
| 21:29.40 | Freddie | warmi: I am from Missouri - the humidity was fine there until I moved away. Now it crushes me when I visit |
| 21:29.51 | warmi | Freddie: hehehe |
| 21:29.59 | George- | mutexer: NO! The firey chasms of Mount Doom! |
| 21:30.02 | warmi | alright time for me |
| 21:30.02 | mutexer | my AC is frozen.. its fricken hit here |
| 21:30.04 | warmi | see you later |
| 21:30.09 | mutexer | hot |
| 21:30.20 | pyromance | Freddie: There's still a free WiFi point at Mill's End on Mill Ave. in Tempe though... Good coffee there too |
| 21:30.23 | Freddie | $195 per year |
| 21:30.51 | pyromance | Wait wait wait |
| 21:30.54 | pyromance | You're NOT into COFFEE? |
| 21:31.01 | Freddie | nope |
| 21:31.04 | pyromance | Remove Linux from all your computers and sell your Z right now |
| 21:31.06 | Freddie | heh |
| 21:31.10 | mutexer | I dont like coffee either |
| 21:31.17 | pyromance | Linux and Coffee have a long, loving history together. |
| 21:31.18 | mutexer | I drink gallons of coke |
| 21:31.19 | Freddie | I used to work at Jiffy Lube, RIGHT next to a 7-Eleven |
| 21:31.38 | Freddie | I drank typically 4 - 8 forty eight ounce Dr. Peppers per day |
| 21:31.40 | Freddie | for three years |
| 21:31.45 | pyromance | Coffee pot should be a hardware requirement for Linux. |
| 21:31.53 | Freddie | caffeine has absolutely NO effect on me whatsoever |
| 21:32.09 | mutexer | I like luke warm drinks |
| 21:32.11 | doughecka | me niether |
| 21:32.11 | Freddie | I can drink a 64oz pepsi and then immediately sleep like a baby all night long |
| 21:32.15 | mutexer | I dont drink coke cold |
| 21:32.38 | mutexer | warm acid taste.. mmm |
| 21:32.40 | pyromance | Naw... coffee is where it's at. |
| 21:32.57 | pyromance | Hmm ... I have to work tonight. Why am I awake now? |
| 21:33.07 | doughecka | ick |
| 21:33.10 | mutexer | 3rd shift? |
| 21:33.21 | pyromance | Weds - Sat, 12:30 AM to 10:30 AM |
| 21:33.32 | mutexer | that would be 3rd |
| 21:33.39 | mutexer | thats got to suck |
| 21:33.41 | pyromance | Yeah... four 10s |
| 21:33.44 | pyromance | It's not so bad. |
| 21:33.57 | mutexer | I guess it depends on hwat you do |
| 21:34.00 | pyromance | Of course since they promoted me to a "senior systems admin" they made me the on-call guy for graves on my day off. |
| 21:34.14 | mutexer | oh an admin.. you probably just sleep |
| 21:34.18 | Freddie | is that anything like my Jiffy Lube title? |
| 21:34.22 | Wintre | Sounds like a demotion |
| 21:34.25 | Freddie | "Senior Lubrication Technician" |
| 21:34.29 | Freddie | my family loved that |
| 21:34.33 | Freddie | I got no end of crap |
| 21:34.37 | Wintre | Or rather - were you ever on-call before? |
| 21:34.43 | Freddie | and all my shirts had a patch that said that |
| 21:34.52 | Freddie | (my work shirts that is) |
| 21:35.06 | pyromance | So yesterday I get called at 2 AM because everything was running slow. Turns out one of the NT servers got hit with Slammer. I told them to unplug the network cable, call the NT guy, and leave me alone. |
| 21:35.28 | Sniper | gotta run |
| 21:35.30 | Sniper | see ya all |
| 21:35.43 | pyromance | Take it easy Spence |
| 21:35.49 | mark | pyromance: i dont like coffee or code/pepsi |
| 21:36.11 | pyromance | code/pepsi? Is that a special version for programmers? Extracaffeinated? |
| 21:36.12 | Freddie | see ya sniper |
| 21:36.12 | doughecka | bah |
| 21:36.18 | Freddie | Sniper: good luck in all things |
| 21:36.20 | doughecka | Sniper: cya... can I get my Z unbricked? |
| 21:36.21 | doughecka | :P |
| 21:36.22 | mark | pyromance: heh :) |
| 21:36.29 | doughecka | yes or no :P |
| 21:36.32 | Sniper | unbricked? |
| 21:36.34 | doughecka | yah |
| 21:36.37 | Sniper | call our support line |
| 21:36.43 | doughecka | its stuck at the logo and cursor |
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| 21:36.46 | *** part/#zaurus Tark (~Tark@pc-62-30-154-105-hw.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 21:36.53 | pyromance | And send me a serial connector. I want to build my car monitoring interface ;) |
| 21:36.53 | Sniper | send it back to our support people |
| 21:36.55 | Sniper | 1800-BESHARP |
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| 21:37.03 | doughecka | I dont want to be sharp |
| 21:37.04 | doughecka | :P |
| 21:37.05 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:37.06 | Sniper | damn |
| 21:37.07 | Sniper | later dudes |
| 21:37.08 | Sniper | haha |
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| 21:37.10 | pyromance | Heh |
| 21:37.17 | pyromance | I'd "be sharp" if they paid me enough |
| 21:37.21 | Tark | can some one give me some advise |
| 21:37.44 | pHluid | Heh, yeh, what happens if you brick a Z with OZ on it, will they reflash it and fix it back up? |
| 21:37.59 | Freddie | man |
| 21:38.02 | Tark | i am in a spot of bother where i cant make my mind up if i should get the SL5500 or the SL5600. Anyone have any advise |
| 21:38.11 | Freddie | I just don't understand why all these people have trouble with OZ |
| 21:38.31 | Freddie | on the zaurus.com message boards, it almost sounds like no one can get OZ to work |
| 21:38.36 | pHluid | Tark: Ummm.. I'd get the 5600, personally, even if it is a wussy ass XScale :) |
| 21:38.39 | Freddie | but no one says what goes wrong when they try |
| 21:38.50 | phoen][x | oz is a no-brainer |
| 21:38.54 | Freddie | pHluid: I just got the dirt cheap HSN 5500 unit |
| 21:38.56 | phoen][x | even my grandma could install it |
| 21:39.01 | Tark | the only difference is the processor and the memory |
| 21:39.05 | Freddie | seemed a much better deal that the 5600 |
| 21:39.07 | pHluid | Freddie: What is HSN anyways |
| 21:39.11 | phoen][x | well, she's dead. but she could if she were alive :) |
| 21:39.15 | mutexer | can the 5600 set cpu speed? |
| 21:39.16 | Freddie | pHluid: Home Shopping Network |
| 21:39.22 | Freddie | just a place that had a ton of cheap 5500's |
| 21:39.23 | Freddie | :) |
| 21:39.35 | Tark | yeah 5500 is very cheap now |
| 21:39.36 | pHluid | Tark: Battery consumption is apparently a lot less on the 5600, and some other minor improvements |
| 21:39.46 | Freddie | mutexer: You want a "slow/slower/slowest" setting? |
| 21:39.49 | mutexer | my xscale PPC can change CPU speed to lower to save battery power.. I was wondering if thats an xscale thing |
| 21:39.51 | Tark | what the battery like on 5500 |
| 21:40.18 | mutexer | it has a Xscale 300mhz.. you can change it to 200 mhz |
| 21:40.40 | doughecka | cool |
| 21:40.54 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:41.01 | doughecka | hm |
| 21:41.49 | kergoth | bleh |
| 21:41.50 | kergoth | that sucked. |
| 21:42.15 | Neo|Work | mutexer: you got the 300 MHz dell? |
| 21:42.19 | pHluid | Tark: I think the generally accepted battery spans on a Z 5500/5000d are along the lines of 1 hour actually using it, a day or so on standby |
| 21:42.23 | pHluid | Give or take |
| 21:42.27 | mutexer | Neo|Work: yeah |
| 21:42.31 | doughecka | http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/18496/2002/1/0/7701086/ |
| 21:42.34 | Tark | 1 hour is very poor |
| 21:42.57 | mutexer | figured it would be abetter dev platform since its slower |
| 21:43.00 | pHluid | Not sure how far the battery goes on the 5600, I've just been told "it's better," and with an XScale processor it definately should be |
| 21:43.16 | treke | pHluid: it's a little under double the capacity :) |
| 21:43.18 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 21:43.18 | Tark | can the battery on the 5600 be put in the 5500 |
| 21:43.23 | kergoth | i jsut realized i havent done my taxes yet |
| 21:43.24 | treke | kergoth: when and where? |
| 21:43.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:43.30 | doughecka | kergoth: BUMMMER! |
| 21:43.32 | treke | kergoth: extention :) |
| 21:43.55 | kergoth | i've been avoiding it, this is the first year I cant use the 1040ez |
| 21:43.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:44.13 | kergoth | and i havent kept track of jack for expenses last year |
| 21:44.17 | treke | pHluid: depending on how much lower battery consumption is, it's a minimum of twice as long :) |
| 21:44.39 | pHluid | 1 hour isn't actually that poor, btw |
| 21:44.55 | pHluid | I mean damn, if I'm trying to do a workday on it, I'll bring the A/C adapter :P |
| 21:45.06 | Tark | or a spare battery |
| 21:45.40 | pHluid | The only thing I could think of I'd really like to have much better battery capacity for would be wardriving :) |
| 21:45.43 | treke | for a pda 1 hour is reasonable |
| 21:45.56 | treke | pHluid: car adaptor |
| 21:46.03 | pHluid | treke: is there one? |
| 21:46.06 | treke | dunno |
| 21:46.12 | pHluid | hrm :) |
| 21:46.22 | treke | supposedly the ipaq stuff is compatible |
| 21:46.50 | pHluid | treke: http://www.instant-power.com/sales/mod_sale8.cfm?dev=pda&bra=sharp&mods=SL5000 |
| 21:46.56 | Neo|Work | mutexer: probably true |
| 21:47.08 | treke | my old ipaq used to have the same size battery. If I charged it when I wasnt using it at home, charged while driving, and charged when at my desk, the battery never went dead |
| 21:47.16 | Zxcvb | treke: is the SDL in the OZ feeds newer than the other one? |
| 21:47.29 | treke | Zxcvb: dunno. I dont use sdl |
| 21:47.52 | mutexer | I wonder how much money bejeweled has made |
| 21:48.03 | mutexer | it seems to be insanely popular |
| 21:48.48 | mutexer | Neo|Work: didnt you port candycruncher? |
| 21:48.52 | pHluid | treke: they got a car charger there... that + the cord for it = $15 |
| 21:48.55 | kergoth | Zxcvb: i dont know what the version is you're comparing it against. |
| 21:48.55 | pHluid | that's not bad at all |
| 21:48.59 | treke | pHluid: cool |
| 21:49.01 | kergoth | Zxcvb: the one in the oz feeds is built from recent cvs |
| 21:49.12 | pHluid | Also a USB adapter |
| 21:49.16 | doughecka | runs at 6 volts though :( |
| 21:49.40 | pHluid | Eh? What runs at 6v? |
| 21:49.54 | Zxcvb | kergoth: does it have mixer and net? |
| 21:49.58 | doughecka | the car adaptor |
| 21:49.59 | Neo|Work | mutexer: yes |
| 21:50.02 | kergoth | Zxcvb: they're seperate packages. |
| 21:50.10 | pHluid | dough: where do you see that at...? |
| 21:50.17 | Neo|Work | I know that Bejeweled has made millions |
| 21:50.17 | mutexer | Neo|Work: did it do very well? it seems similiar to bejeweled |
| 21:50.21 | Neo|Work | No |
| 21:50.29 | doughecka | pHluid: on the shelf |
| 21:50.30 | Neo|Work | but it's the Zaurus. :P |
| 21:50.35 | mutexer | yeah :) |
| 21:50.41 | Neo|Work | it's kind-of too hard (and very different from bejeweled really) |
| 21:50.42 | mutexer | I played it on Zaurus |
| 21:50.44 | Tark | Does the SL5500 have bluetooth adapters |
| 21:50.46 | mutexer | it was pretty cool |
| 21:50.56 | kergoth | Tark: you can get a CF bt card |
| 21:51.03 | Tark | and that works |
| 21:51.06 | Neo|Work | it's definitely a good PDA game |
| 21:51.07 | mutexer | the black jelly bean made things tough |
| 21:51.41 | pHluid | dough: Where :P I'm looking all over the page, I don't see that it says 6v anywhere... |
| 21:51.48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:51.58 | doughecka | where are you looking? |
| 21:52.10 | Neo|Work | mutexer: I can usally get to level 20-30 or so w/o a problem |
| 21:52.14 | George- | pHluid: 6V for what? |
| 21:52.18 | Tark | do you have a link for the CF bt card |
| 21:52.26 | mutexer | Brian Hook said Candy Cruncher did well on PC.. he said thats were 90 something % of the sales were.. he never mentioned Zaurus |
| 21:52.36 | doughecka | George-: I have a 6 volt car adaptor, and it works with the Z |
| 21:52.45 | George- | doughecka: the Z isn't 6V. |
| 21:52.51 | doughecka | I know |
| 21:52.56 | pHluid | dough: OH, you're talking about a *different* car adapter |
| 21:53.00 | George- | doughecka: it might be a bad thing to use that adaptor :P |
| 21:53.00 | mutexer | at the time I didnt know you were the one who ported it |
| 21:53.04 | doughecka | but my low gellcell puts just enuf power out for the Z |
| 21:53.10 | zoid | doughecka: i wouldn't use that adapter |
| 21:53.29 | zoid | doughecka: i wouldn't use *anything* but the adapter for the Z |
| 21:53.35 | doughecka | zoid: hehe |
| 21:53.49 | George- | zoid: the iPaq chargers are the same rating as the Z ones |
| 21:53.52 | George- | zoid: iirc |
| 21:53.59 | zoid | doughecka: if it puts out the wrong amount of amps or what not, it can severly damage your battery, and/or the Z itself |
| 21:54.10 | zoid | George-: no clue...never even used an ipaq |
| 21:54.38 | zoid | i'm just saying that different chargers put out different amounts of power, and that can really mess things up |
| 21:54.56 | Wintre | zoid: Almost all the transformers I've seen are marked |
| 21:55.07 | Wintre | They tell you what voltage and amperage they produce |
| 21:55.16 | George- | amperage? |
| 21:55.19 | George- | AMPERAGE? |
| 21:55.20 | zoid | Wintre: yeah, i agree |
| 21:55.22 | George- | :P |
| 21:55.35 | zoid | Wintre: but most likely a 6V charger isn't gonna be the same as a 5V |
| 21:55.44 | Wintre | So I guess you mean you wouldn't use any adaptor that doesn't match the Z's |
| 21:55.52 | zoid | Wintre: exactly |
| 21:56.02 | Wintre | Another volt is probably not very dangerous. |
| 21:56.07 | Wintre | Probably. |
| 21:56.09 | Wintre | :) |
| 21:56.18 | zoid | probably not, but it can be |
| 21:56.34 | Wintre | Mismatching that stuff is indeed a bad bad ide |
| 21:56.35 | doughecka | well |
| 21:56.37 | zoid | i was gonna use some extra 4.5V chargers i've got, but i decided not to for fear of messing something up |
| 21:56.51 | Wintre | Undervolting doesn't seem like it'll break things either |
| 21:56.54 | doughecka | zoid: under voltaging stuff doesnt mess things up |
| 21:57.08 | George- | sod Jack the Uni-Psychle *whips out Sega Genesis Nomad* :) |
| 21:57.11 | zoid | doughecka: yes it can |
| 21:57.25 | zoid | doughecka: at least everywhere i've read, and everyone i've asked says it can, heh |
| 21:57.34 | doughecka | huh |
| 21:57.40 | George- | Wintre: that "another volt" is a 20% increase in voltage :P |
| 21:57.49 | George- | Wintre: :) |
| 21:58.04 | doughecka | and diferent amperages wont harm it wither |
| 21:58.06 | doughecka | either |
| 21:58.15 | doughecka | more amps = more amps if the Z asks for it |
| 21:58.31 | zoid | doughecka: i don't think that's correcy |
| 21:58.34 | zoid | correct |
| 21:58.43 | George- | no, it's not |
| 21:58.44 | zoid | the Z doesn't ask...the charger tells it, heh |
| 21:58.50 | zoid | and just gives it |
| 21:58.55 | George- | amperage = current right? |
| 21:59.06 | doughecka | if I got a 750 amp car battery, and hooked it up to it, as long as it has 5 volts, its ok |
| 21:59.25 | George- | doughecka: right, you're getting your units messed up |
| 21:59.34 | George- | doughecka: it's not a 750 amp car battery |
| 21:59.35 | SP-work | the Z may or may not have an internal voltage regulator.. if it does it is probably safe.. if it does not.. well.. |
| 21:59.42 | doughecka | cranking amps |
| 21:59.46 | George- | doughecka: it's a 750 amperehour battery |
| 21:59.50 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:59.53 | George- | doughecka: which states capacity, not current |
| 21:59.59 | George- | doughecka: amps are a unit of current. |
| 22:00.12 | doughecka | it can supply 750 amps for one hour, or 750 hours of 1 amp... right? |
| 22:00.33 | George- | can't remember |
| 22:01.11 | George- | but inputting the wrong current and/or voltage into an electrical circuit is very bad |
| 22:01.27 | doughecka | the wrong current wont hurt anything |
| 22:01.28 | zoid | doughecka: bottom line...we don't recommend it |
| 22:01.37 | George- | doughecka: the wrong current can trash it. |
| 22:01.44 | doughecka | wrong voltage will unless it has a regulator |
| 22:01.47 | zoid | doughecka: you may be lucky and it won't mess anything up, but in the long run it may |
| 22:03.04 | doughecka | Current is a measure of the magnitude of the flow of electrons in a circuit. It is measured in Amperes, or Amps. Many people explain electrical flow by using water flow as an analogy. Following that analogy, current would be how much water (or electricity) is flowing past a certain point. The higher the amperage, the more water (or electricity) is flowing. |
| 22:03.10 | George- | doughecka: if anything a lower current will make the thing operate at a higher temperature |
| 22:03.13 | doughecka | Voltage is a measure of the electrical energy of a circuit. It is measured in Volts. In the water analogy, voltage would be the water pressure. Think of a geyser as high voltage, and the shower of a low-rent apartment on the fifth floor of a tenement building as low voltage (unless you're one of those lucky people with good water pressure!). |
| 22:03.37 | George- | no |
| 22:03.48 | George- | Voltage is not a measure of electrical energy |
| 22:04.06 | George- | it's more like electrical pressure |
| 22:04.17 | doughecka | yes |
| 22:04.31 | doughecka | so: |
| 22:04.31 | George- | and btw - it's more accurate name is potential difference |
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| 22:04.50 | doughecka | lets say I have a LED that uses 60 ma |
| 22:04.55 | doughecka | and 5 volt |
| 22:05.02 | pyromance | Volt - the practical meter-kilogram-second unit of electrical potential difference and electromotive force equal to the difference of potential between two points in a conducting wire carrying a constant current of one ampere when the power dissipated between these two points is equal to one watt and equivalent to the potential difference across a resistance of one ohm when one ampere is flowing through it |
| 22:05.07 | George- | 5 volts? that'd blow the LED |
| 22:05.15 | doughecka | not a 5 volt LED |
| 22:05.20 | doughecka | like white or blue LEDs |
| 22:05.21 | George- | there are no 5 volt LEDs. |
| 22:05.23 | George- | lol |
| 22:05.25 | George- | afaik |
| 22:05.28 | Vano | does anyone use any pcmci->cf converter ? does a pcmcia suck more power than a cf? |
| 22:05.39 | pyromance | Hahaha |
| 22:05.40 | George- | Vano: PCMCIA sucks 5V and CF sucks 3.3V |
| 22:05.44 | pyromance | There are indeed 5v LEDs |
| 22:05.50 | George- | pyromance: ok :) |
| 22:05.52 | doughecka | George-: HAH! |
| 22:05.53 | doughecka | :P |
| 22:05.55 | George- | damn :P |
| 22:06.05 | pyromance | vano: Depends only on the device. |
| 22:06.13 | mark | i love the way George- says "there are no 5 volt LEDS afaik", like he would know |
| 22:06.22 | doughecka | so, I can hook up a 5 volt battery (no such thing yada yada) to a car battery |
| 22:06.24 | George- | Vano: well *most* PCMCIA cards take 5V |
| 22:06.25 | doughecka | errrr |
| 22:06.30 | George- | Vano: some low power ones take 3.3V |
| 22:06.50 | doughecka | so, I can hook up a 5 volt LED (no such thing yada yada) to a car battery (if I can get it down to 5 volts) |
| 22:07.04 | Vano | hmmm ok |
| 22:07.15 | Vano | I have a spare PCMCIA network card |
| 22:07.15 | pyromance | 5V LED: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F010%5F012%5F002%5F009&product%5Fid=276%2D311 |
| 22:07.20 | Vano | since the converters are so cheap... |
| 22:07.30 | Vano | I guess any converter would work for the zaurus right = |
| 22:07.31 | Vano | ? |
| 22:07.31 | George- | pyromance: yes yes, I take your point :) |
| 22:07.36 | pyromance | Hehehe |
| 22:07.48 | Vano | hmmm or maybe it depends on the device.. hmmm |
| 22:07.49 | pyromance | Don't talk to a case modder about LEDs and voltages ;) |
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| 22:08.01 | pyromance | Case modders know darn well exactly what is required to cook an LED |
| 22:08.13 | George- | doughecka: and unless you had a resistor in that circuit to lower the current then it'd blow the LED |
| 22:08.33 | George- | pyromance: you build those evil bastardized cases? :) |
| 22:08.41 | pyromance | George: Several |
| 22:08.51 | George- | ewwww |
| 22:08.53 | pyromance | http://pyromaniac.net/casemod/latest |
| 22:09.00 | Zxcvb | shit, have to reload the sharp rom |
| 22:09.05 | pyromance | And then there's http://pyromaniac.net/briefcase |
| 22:09.21 | pyromance | I've built a few more that I've sold |
| 22:09.39 | George- | riiiggghhhttt |
| 22:09.54 | doughecka | you need to know this stuff before you can pass |
| 22:09.58 | noidd | doug: same here |
| 22:10.03 | doughecka | noidd: cool! |
| 22:10.07 | pyromance | Dough: A HAM license is like the "I admit I'll never have sex again" card |
| 22:10.09 | George- | doughecka: anyway, to go back to original point, a higher current can indeed trash your components |
| 22:10.15 | noidd | aye, gw0tjo at yer service |
| 22:10.26 | doughecka | pyromance: oh? |
| 22:10.34 | doughecka | noidd: KG4YMG here :P |
| 22:10.47 | pyromance | dough: At least, among the HAM operators I've met |
| 22:10.55 | George- | pyromance: rofl |
| 22:11.05 | doughecka | pyromance: huh, then you dont meet very many |
| 22:11.25 | George- | doughecka: he's met you. Surely that's enough a man can bear? |
| 22:11.36 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:11.41 | pyromance | Au contraire. I used to go to HAM fests to scrounge for spare computer parts cheap |
| 22:11.47 | George- | HAM fests? |
| 22:11.57 | doughecka | yes |
| 22:12.03 | George- | what, you ate salty pig meat? :) |
| 22:12.08 | pyromance | George: Yeah... large amateur-radio-enthusiast swap meets |
| 22:12.10 | noidd | George: Hamfest is an american radio Rally |
| 22:12.13 | doughecka | dayton ohio is the biggest in the world |
| 22:12.22 | zoid | doughecka: you live around dayton? |
| 22:12.24 | doughecka | and I am going to it :) |
| 22:12.28 | doughecka | louisville |
| 22:12.34 | zoid | doughecka: kewl, i'm in cincinnati |
| 22:12.39 | doughecka | but the local club has a bus |
| 22:12.40 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:12.44 | doughecka | cool |
| 22:12.56 | pyromance | Damn Ohio folk hehe |
| 22:13.02 | zoid | dayton's about a 45 minute drive |
| 22:13.06 | doughecka | cool |
| 22:13.11 | zoid | pyromance: heh |
| 22:13.16 | George- | dayton's about a 14 hour flight |
| 22:13.19 | George- | :P |
| 22:13.19 | doughecka | costs 25 bucks to get in though |
| 22:13.26 | doughecka | George-: what about driving? |
| 22:13.27 | zoid | George-: where the hell are you at? |
| 22:13.35 | doughecka | zoid: hes a bloody brit |
| 22:13.39 | zoid | ahh, heh |
| 22:13.43 | George- | zoid: THE FIERY CHASMS OF MOUNT DOOM. Gawd, how many more times do I need to say? |
| 22:13.54 | doughecka | whats mount coom? |
| 22:13.57 | pyromance | And a very abrasive brit too |
| 22:14.02 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:14.03 | George- | pyromance: :) |
| 22:14.05 | doughecka | doom even |
| 22:14.08 | noidd | you calling me abrasive? |
| 22:14.13 | George- | noidd: lol |
| 22:14.18 | George- | doughecka: GO GET EDUCATED |
| 22:14.19 | George- | :P |
| 22:14.26 | pyromance | noidd: Not you |
| 22:14.27 | George- | doughecka: That means. In ENGLAND |
| 22:14.27 | doughecka | George-: moo |
| 22:14.36 | doughecka | oh really? |
| 22:15.03 | George- | .. |
| 22:15.07 | pyromance | You know ... the country whose prime minister likes to give it to George W. without lube... and George loves it. |
| 22:15.14 | noidd | George is a typical little englander |
| 22:15.27 | George- | noidd: . |
| 22:15.28 | George- | . |
| 22:15.30 | George- | ... |
| 22:15.36 | George- | y'wot? |
| 22:15.36 | pyromance | noidd: Naw... He's just a typical kid |
| 22:15.50 | George- | I'm a TROLL, not a KID |
| 22:16.02 | George- | pffft |
| 22:16.19 | kergoth | George-: you're BOTH |
| 22:16.25 | George- | kergoth: bash |
| 22:16.27 | George- | er.. |
| 22:16.30 | George- | s/bash/bah/ |
| 22:16.31 | kergoth | bash? |
| 22:16.45 | George- | er...ya |
| 22:16.46 | pyromance | Back in my day, we had a word for you. |
| 22:16.49 | pyromance | That word was "dweeb" |
| 22:16.54 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:17.07 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:17.19 | George- | ... |
| 22:17.21 | George- | I'M A TROLL |
| 22:17.30 | pyromance | Sadly, "dweeb" has fallen into disuse |
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| 22:17.40 | mewyn | yes, George-, we all know that |
| 22:17.40 | pyromance | But keep going, George. |
| 22:17.46 | nichos | hmmm...anyone know the penalty for filing late taxes, if they owe me money? |
| 22:17.48 | pyromance | You may bring about the "dweeb" revival. |
| 22:18.00 | pyromance | nichos: They pay you less |
| 22:18.08 | nichos | pyromance i figured, how much? |
| 22:18.23 | Vano | what is a good (lowest power consumption / working out of the box) WLAN CF card? Any hints? |
| 22:18.26 | pyromance | Some arbitrary amount, depending on who is sleeping with your sister. |
| 22:18.52 | George- | Vano: socket |
| 22:18.54 | pyromance | Not the Netgear MA701. It's flaky. |
| 22:19.01 | nichos | cool |
| 22:19.06 | pyromance | Oh |
| 22:19.10 | pyromance | FUNNY anecdote. |
| 22:19.12 | Vano | so socket ok... |
| 22:19.17 | doughecka | opie is included on the sharp rom? |
| 22:19.17 | pyromance | If anyone told me this, I'd have laughed at them |
| 22:19.22 | George- | Vano: ask doughecka, he's the ham radio _dweeb_ |
| 22:19.25 | George- | :) |
| 22:19.32 | pyromance | But... |
| 22:19.39 | doughecka | har har |
| 22:19.40 | Vano | thing is that since in sharp's website it has a note about getting drivers for 5500.. |
| 22:19.47 | Vano | for socket's |
| 22:19.57 | Vano | that is why I was curious... |
| 22:20.03 | pyromance | Those little stick-on "antenna boosters" ... I have one on the back of my CF card and it actually DOES improve signal! I have no idea how. |
| 22:20.06 | Vano | cause my initial choice was socket also |
| 22:20.15 | doughecka | George-: can you call around the world AND talk to astronauts for free? |
| 22:20.19 | pyromance | I got one for free as part of a faceplate / charger / battery deal I picked up on eBayt |
| 22:20.25 | George- | doughecka: do I want to? |
| 22:20.30 | doughecka | sure |
| 22:20.36 | George- | here's some news. |
| 22:20.37 | George- | I don't. |
| 22:20.38 | doughecka | free stuff is good |
| 22:20.45 | doughecka | pyromance: oh? |
| 22:20.49 | Vano | pyromance where can one get those? what are they called ? :) |
| 22:20.51 | George- | babies are free. they aren't good. |
| 22:21.04 | pyromance | dough: yeah... like a 20% improvement on range |
| 22:21.09 | doughecka | wow |
| 22:21.21 | pyromance | Vano: No guarantees ... But it did seem to do SOMETHING good |
| 22:21.37 | Vano | pyromance just wondering .. cause I have never heard of them |
| 22:21.42 | pyromance | Maybe it's just me and my cheap-ass card |
| 22:22.04 | pyromance | Vano: It's a a sticker thing... One of those things you "see on TV" and say "that'd never work" |
| 22:22.22 | George- | doughecka: nah, pyromance just likes probing himself with his antennae |
| 22:22.32 | Zxcvb | fuck |
| 22:22.43 | Zxcvb | have to spend a few hours downloading the sharp rom again |
| 22:22.55 | George- | few hours? |
| 22:23.01 | George- | Are you on 28.8 or something? |
| 22:23.06 | pyromance | http://www.pushingalltherightbuttons.com/shopimage/cellbooster/how.html |
| 22:23.11 | Zxcvb | 56K |
| 22:23.27 | doughecka | (aka 36K modem |
| 22:23.27 | Zxcvb | and then I have to wipe my SD card, reflash, then reinstall OZ |
| 22:24.09 | Zxcvb | is it possible to use hanncomcreator/jeodcreator without reflashing? |
| 22:24.11 | Zxcvb | I really don |
| 22:24.11 | Vano | pyromance curious stuff... |
| 22:24.24 | Zxcvb | I really don't want to have to rm -rf /mnt/card/system.root |
| 22:25.18 | George- | Zxcvb: why are you running the Sharp ROM? |
| 22:25.34 | Zxcvb | George-: I want the sharp apps |
| 22:25.34 | kergoth | why |
| 22:25.35 | kergoth | oh why |
| 22:25.41 | kergoth | does this customer want to keep talking to me |
| 22:25.45 | Zxcvb | George-: but to use hancomcreator, I have to reflash the sharp rom |
| 22:25.46 | kergoth | when his proiblem is already solved? |
| 22:25.55 | kergoth | does he just need to talk to someone |
| 22:25.55 | kergoth | or what |
| 22:26.00 | George- | oh |
| 22:26.08 | George- | kergoth: ooooh, someone fancies you |
| 22:26.11 | kergoth | GO AWAY |
| 22:26.15 | kergoth | bad day. |
| 22:26.18 | kergoth | ibot: tuesday |
| 22:26.19 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday) |
| 22:26.21 | George- | rofl |
| 22:26.26 | kergoth | very bad day. |
| 22:26.30 | George- | :) |
| 22:26.33 | doughecka | ~monday |
| 22:26.33 | | extra, extra, read all about it, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon |
| 22:26.35 | treke | very very bad day |
| 22:26.37 | cynTop | pyromance: my ma701 works flawlessly |
| 22:26.42 | George- | ~saturday |
| 22:26.44 | | saturday is, like, the only day of the week that doesn't suck. |
| 22:26.50 | doughecka | ~sunday |
| 22:26.51 | | Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday). |
| 22:26.57 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:27.02 | doughecka | ~wednesday |
| 22:27.03 | | Wednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week. |
| 22:27.15 | cynTop | Zxcvb: the hancom apps are available for download from their site |
| 22:27.20 | kergoth | ~thursday |
| 22:27.21 | | Thursday sucks, because it isnt friday (See friday). |
| 22:27.23 | Vano | looks like people in ancient times started work on sundays... cause of all this they switched to mondays.... now we have problems with tuesdays.. |
| 22:27.26 | doughecka | ~friday |
| 22:27.26 | | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 22:27.45 | George- | kergoth: what's this dude phoning about? |
| 22:27.47 | kergoth | doughecka: technically saturday sucks too, just Less. |
| 22:27.52 | treke | I think I spent something like 6 hours on it today :) |
| 22:27.54 | pyromance | cynTop: I get unexplained signal dropping ... IT goes from 98% signal to zero in anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour of in-use time... Then will not re-establish signal after unplugging etc |
| 22:28.03 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:28.23 | cynTop | heavy usage, light usage, or variable usage |
| 22:28.28 | cynTop | [or all] |
| 22:28.43 | doughecka | bummer |
| 22:28.44 | cynTop | coz i've not experienced any probs w/ web surfing, downloading ipkgs, and ssh |
| 22:28.45 | Freddie | infinite usage |
| 22:28.46 | Freddie | :) |
| 22:28.48 | pyromance | All ... but typically when I go from heavy usage to little usage, then try to ramp up again |
| 22:28.49 | cynTop | :P |
| 22:28.54 | cynTop | weird |
| 22:29.04 | pyromance | Infinite usage? Like George's mom? |
| 22:29.17 | cynTop | tried any other cards? [unlikely, but maybe you have friends w/ one] |
| 22:29.23 | Freddie | rofl |
| 22:29.32 | treke | george's mom isnt infinite usage |
| 22:29.47 | treke | you have to factor in the 10 dollar fee in there |
| 22:29.50 | pyromance | Haven't had access to any other CF cards |
| 22:30.00 | Freddie | welp |
| 22:30.07 | Freddie | drizzle drazzle, drizzle drome |
| 22:30.10 | Freddie | time for this one to go home |
| 22:30.16 | Freddie | see y'all |
| 22:30.38 | pyromance | sql> select count(use) from georges_mom; |
| 22:30.44 | pyromance | returned 1 row. |
| 22:32.20 | cynTop | use is just a counter, you're only keeping track of his single mom - you don't want a count, just the value of use, which is likely a BIGINT or BLOB |
| 22:32.33 | zoid | burner: google does :) |
| 22:32.38 | zoid | err, wrong window |
| 22:32.51 | pyromance | I don't want to hear about George's mom's blob. |
| 22:33.28 | pyromance | And to select count(use) from her ; with one row returned means "she's only good for one thing" |
| 22:33.57 | kergoth | eh, i'd take that to mean she's only ever been used one |
| 22:33.58 | kergoth | once |
| 22:34.53 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 22:34.58 | pyromance | That's possible. Have you seen his mom? |
| 22:34.59 | pyromance | hehe |
| 22:35.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:35.09 | chouimat|food | lol |
| 22:35.25 | pyromance | http://www.ninjagear.net/product_info.php?products_id=94 |
| 22:36.17 | chouimat|food | pyromance: hehe |
| 22:36.33 | pyromance | Ninjagear has more of an attitude than thinkgeek |
| 22:37.09 | pyromance | I miss the thinkgeek stickers I had though. I upgraded my car and forgot to make the previous stickers compatible with upgrade mogration. |
| 22:37.16 | pyromance | er... migration |
| 22:37.17 | mutexer | omg.. I rememer this code - http://www.ninjagear.net/product_info.php?products_id=61 |
| 22:37.31 | kergoth | aha |
| 22:37.58 | pyromance | BRB: Need to shave and shower and dress |
| 22:38.23 | mutexer | your speaking to us in a public chat naked???? I feel violated |
| 22:39.08 | noidd | i'm sure he's not the only one mutexer |
| 22:39.27 | kergoth | chouimat|food: http://www.ninjagear.net/product_info.php?products_id=96 |
| 22:40.20 | chouimat|food | kergoth: hehe |
| 22:41.24 | chouimat|food | wow I can have 60 day oof hgh free ... |
| 22:42.22 | noidd | I feel the urge to do something useful |
| 22:42.31 | doughecka | fix bzflag! |
| 22:42.43 | noidd | bzflag is broken??!?!?! |
| 22:42.52 | doughecka | well |
| 22:42.59 | doughecka | fix the problems in it |
| 22:43.14 | noidd | what problems? |
| 22:43.19 | mutexer | didnt bzflag used to come in here? |
| 22:43.30 | mutexer | the guy who made bzflag that is |
| 22:43.33 | noidd | yes |
| 22:43.50 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:43.54 | doughecka | his name is timriker |
| 22:43.55 | doughecka | :P |
| 22:44.01 | doughecka | ~seen timriker |
| 22:44.02 | | timriker <~timr@c-67-163-110-34.client.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 1d 16h 39m 19s ago, saying: 'wow?'. |
| 22:44.12 | mutexer | ah |
| 22:44.38 | mutexer | is bzflag good? Ive never played it |
| 22:45.18 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:45.21 | doughecka | I guess |
| 22:48.42 | kergoth | argh. |
| 22:55.47 | pyromance | What's wrong, ker? |
| 22:55.53 | kergoth | long, lnog, long day |
| 22:56.01 | pyromance | That's because tuesdays suck |
| 22:56.10 | kergoth | yeah, but today was worse than most tuesdays |
| 22:56.14 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 22:56.17 | pyromance | Well |
| 22:56.24 | George- | kergoth: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT |
| 22:56.25 | pyromance | I'm good at writing shell scripts. Can that help ya? |
| 22:56.26 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a long island |
| 22:56.36 | kergoth | pyromance: actually.. |
| 22:56.42 | kergoth | pyromance: oz could use a script |
| 22:56.58 | pyromance | OK ... What do you want it to do? |
| 22:56.58 | kergoth | pyromance: we need a shell script update-rc.d that takes options with the same syntax as debian's perl update-rc.d |
| 22:57.14 | Zxcvb | is there any way to get the packages the hancomcreator, operacreator, etc make without having to reflash the sharp rom? |
| 22:57.15 | kergoth | for manipulating /etc/rcX.d links |
| 22:57.23 | Zxcvb | the ripper listed in the FAQ does not rip the libraries needed |
| 22:57.27 | kergoth | Zxcvb: ? |
| 22:57.27 | pyromance | I don't have a Debian box handy except at work... I can look at it tonight when I get in |
| 22:57.31 | kergoth | Zxcvb: 'librareies needed'? |
| 22:57.36 | kergoth | pyromance: i can forward it to you |
| 22:57.41 | kergoth | pyromance: all my boxes are debian |
| 22:58.02 | pyromance | Neat... Just tell me what you want it to manipulate and I will work on it. |
| 22:58.03 | Zxcvb | kergoth: hancomlibs is not created by the ipkRomRipper |
| 22:58.13 | kergoth | Zxcvb: fix it |
| 22:58.37 | pyromance | kergoth: root@pyromance.com |
| 22:59.03 | George- | kergoth: is my toolchain online yet? |
| 22:59.12 | kergoth | pyromance: update-rc.d bleh start 99 2 3 4 5 . stop 6 1 0 |
| 22:59.17 | pyromance | At work we run 65% RedHat, 25% FreeBSD, and 10% "other" |
| 22:59.18 | kergoth | pyromance: update-rc.d bleh defaults 99 |
| 22:59.29 | kergoth | pretty intuitive what it does |
| 22:59.34 | kergoth | just creates rcX.d links |
| 22:59.47 | kergoth | has a 'remove' option also, to yank it from all of them |
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| 22:59.59 | kergoth | pretty simple, just never had time to do a shell version of it |
| 23:00.14 | rev|pc | yo kids |
| 23:00.44 | kergoth | pyromance: similar to redhat chkconfig, except it doenst require metadata in the commetns in the scripts |
| 23:01.03 | pyromance | OK ... |
| 23:01.15 | pyromance | Would you consider OZ "most similar to" Debian, then? |
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| 23:01.20 | kergoth | OZ is debian based. |
| 23:01.22 | rev|pc | kergoth: did you ever do any BBSing in the 612 area? |
| 23:01.35 | kergoth | sligth differences in that we use /etc/profile.d ala redhat |
| 23:01.38 | kergoth | couple other minor deviations |
| 23:01.42 | doughecka | did they have BBSes in 612? |
| 23:01.43 | kergoth | plus of course the use of ipkg vs dpkg |
| 23:02.04 | kergoth | rev|pc: yup |
| 23:02.16 | rev|pc | kergoth: what kind of boards? |
| 23:02.32 | rev|pc | well, not hardcore, but that was all i really dialed |
| 23:02.38 | pyromance | Indeed. "i" for imbedded, I'd guess. |
| 23:02.47 | kergoth | miscellanious. bounced onto various boards |
| 23:03.00 | kergoth | pyromance: ipkg = itsy packaging system iirc |
| 23:03.10 | rev|pc | cool |
| 23:03.30 | doughecka | or kergoth packaging syste, |
| 23:03.38 | kergoth | kpkg! |
| 23:03.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:03.43 | pyromance | GAR! What is with my Z hard-locking on suspend/resume from the cradle or just yanking it out of the cradle? |
| 23:04.04 | kergoth | insstall usbd-common when it appears in the feeds |
| 23:04.12 | doughecka | pyromance: send it to me |
| 23:04.17 | doughecka | I can throw it for ya |
| 23:04.30 | pyromance | Doug! OK ... em .. no ;) |
| 23:04.41 | kergoth | usbd-common fixes the suspend/resume crash |
| 23:04.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:04.52 | doughecka | bah |
| 23:05.00 | kergoth | technically it works around it |
| 23:05.06 | kergoth | unloads the modules on suspend and loads them again on resume |
| 23:05.11 | kergoth | since its a USBD bug |
| 23:05.20 | doughecka | does it delay the suspend? |
| 23:05.24 | doughecka | and resume? |
| 23:05.26 | kergoth | not noticabley. |
| 23:05.29 | kergoth | bleh |
| 23:05.32 | doughecka | k |
| 23:05.38 | pyromance | Thanks |
| 23:06.01 | pyromance | It only crashes on suspend-resume when the cradle is involved. |
| 23:06.06 | kergoth | pyromance: yes. |
| 23:06.14 | kergoth | pyromance: USBD is the usb device stack |
| 23:06.17 | pyromance | Maybe if I just remove the cradle.. hehe |
| 23:06.19 | kergoth | pyromance: and its broken with regard to suspend/resume handling |
| 23:08.00 | pyromance | Aah the joys of embedded code |
| 23:08.05 | kergoth | the joys of Lineo code |
| 23:11.10 | pyromance | Haha |
| 23:11.17 | pyromance | Lineo code is OZ's best friend and worst enemy, huh? |
| 23:12.04 | pyromance | "Please wait : booting..." |
| 23:12.23 | pyromance | Hey Kergoth |
| 23:12.36 | pyromance | Where did the OZ mascot come from? |
| 23:12.46 | doughecka | no |
| 23:12.49 | doughecka | the OZ dood |
| 23:13.11 | George- | no |
| 23:13.16 | George- | it's the fat evil bloated shitface |
| 23:13.20 | George- | :) |
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| 23:13.56 | George- | ibot pingizauru |
| 23:13.56 | | from memory, pingizauru is big, fat, bloated and generally quite evil |
| 23:14.53 | doughecka | hm |
| 23:16.00 | kergoth | bleh. |
| 23:16.01 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 23:16.07 | pyromance | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.42 | kergoth | pyromance: its a godzilla penguin |
| 23:16.57 | pyromance | Hehe.. |
| 23:17.07 | George- | kergoth: bleh - bloated lump (that) everyone hates - the pingizauru |
| 23:17.21 | kergoth | bah. |
| 23:17.30 | George- | ;) |
| 23:17.32 | pyromance | Well the zillguin and I have two things in common. We both run on Zauruses and we both breathe fire. |
| 23:17.47 | kergoth | its pingizauru |
| 23:17.53 | George- | it's bleh |
| 23:17.54 | kergoth | though the opie folks call it opiezilla |
| 23:17.56 | George- | BLEH :P |
| 23:18.04 | kergoth | George-: no, bleh is an oz release tag |
| 23:18.07 | kergoth | George-: i forget which version it was |
| 23:18.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:18.14 | George- | kergoth: hehehe :) |
| 23:18.29 | George- | kergoth: I remember "dratsab" and "bofh" |
| 23:18.50 | kergoth | !! dratsab |
| 23:18.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:19.04 | George- | kergoth: how'd your goals thingy go? |
| 23:19.09 | kergoth | George-: it blew. |
| 23:19.16 | George- | kergoth: heh |
| 23:19.26 | pyromance | Hehe. |
| 23:19.26 | George- | kergoth: "Chris, what were your goals again?" |
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| 23:19.35 | kergoth | basically i got nowhere, and apparently i'm late too often, and i dont get tasks done fast enough |
| 23:19.38 | George- | "To be an asshole." |
| 23:19.40 | pyromance | I can be a fire-breathing OZ mascot. |
| 23:19.42 | George- | "Did you achieve it?" |
| 23:19.45 | kergoth | i.e. straighten up or you're gonnag et canned |
| 23:19.58 | George- | "It's the only thing I've achieved all year!" |
| 23:20.03 | George- | kergoth: ouch |
| 23:20.05 | George- | kergoth: that sucks |
| 23:20.08 | kergoth | indeed |
| 23:20.12 | George- | kergoth: slacker. |
| 23:20.15 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:20.27 | kergoth | "Well you see, its not that I'm lazy, its just that I dont care." |
| 23:20.29 | kergoth | </office space> |
| 23:20.31 | George- | rofl |
| 23:20.46 | pyromance | Yeah... |
| 23:20.46 | George- | "Well, actually, I just hate you" |
| 23:20.55 | pyromance | George's mom? Lumburg fucked her. |
| 23:21.00 | kergoth | aha |
| 23:21.04 | George- | Lumburg? |
| 23:21.12 | kergoth | George-: dood, you really need to go watch office space |
| 23:21.16 | George- | kergoth's mum was ravaged by the pingizauru |
| 23:21.36 | George- | along with kergoth. |
| 23:21.38 | George- | :P |
| 23:21.57 | kergoth | "but at least didnt sleep with LUMBURG!" |
| 23:22.00 | kergoth | </officespace> |
| 23:22.31 | mutexer | ooohhh yeahh... thats it.... ooohhh Hii Geeoorge... yeah... you get those TPS reports done? I want those on my desk by 5 o clock.. mmm kayy |
| 23:22.43 | George- | is this american ? |
| 23:22.52 | pyromance | penny-stealing-wannabe-criminal-man |
| 23:22.52 | mutexer | yes |
| 23:22.57 | George- | fucking americans. |
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| 23:23.00 | George- | :) |
| 23:23.02 | kergoth | its by the creators of beavis and butthead, isnt it? |
| 23:23.04 | George- | heya raster |
| 23:23.04 | kergoth | yes, i'd say its american |
| 23:23.05 | kergoth | heehh |
| 23:23.08 | pyromance | kergoth: Ever catch the "Beavis and Butthead" reference in the movie? |
| 23:23.09 | kergoth | hey raster |
| 23:23.17 | mutexer | George-: you live in the congo.. they not get american stuff down there? |
| 23:23.18 | kergoth | pyromance: no i didnt.. where? |
| 23:23.23 | George- | Congo?!?!?!?!?!!?!??! |
| 23:23.25 | pyromance | It's very brief... you have to be looking for it |
| 23:23.30 | pyromance | But when he drives into his apartment complex |
| 23:23.31 | George- | mutexer: I'M IN ENGLAND DAMNIT! |
| 23:23.39 | pyromance | The sign is "Morningwood Apartments" |
| 23:23.40 | raster | George-: morning! |
| 23:23.42 | raster | kergoth: hey mate! how goes? |
| 23:23.42 | George- | mutexer: IE - THE NATION SUPERIOR TO YOURS! |
| 23:23.44 | kergoth | pyromance: aha |
| 23:23.45 | mutexer | ahh... you know that explains a LOT |
| 23:23.57 | kergoth | raster: bad, long day. you? |
| 23:24.00 | kergoth | ibot: tuesday |
| 23:24.04 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday) |
| 23:24.04 | George- | raster: hrmm, I suppose it's morning (half midnight) :) |
| 23:24.31 | mutexer | Sounds like somebodies got a case of the tuesdays |
| 23:24.45 | raster | kergoth: really? thats all bad. talk about it to the problembear! |
| 23:24.58 | mutexer | Im sure you can find Office Space in UK.. you should watch it |
| 23:25.18 | raster | George-: its definitely morning... i feel like going back to bed! |
| 23:25.19 | raster | :) |
| 23:25.24 | pyromance | With as much as I use rdesktop, I should drop the $80 on Winconnect Z ... but I just can't ... justify the expense. Maybe I can get my office to buy it for me. |
| 23:25.30 | mutexer | if youve heard of bevis and butthead or KIng of the Hill.. same guy made all 3 |
| 23:25.44 | pyromance | The creator showed up in Office Space too. |
| 23:25.54 | mutexer | who was he? |
| 23:25.55 | pyromance | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:26.07 | kergoth | "We need to talk about your flair." |
| 23:26.09 | mutexer | thats MIke Judge? haha |
| 23:26.14 | pyromance | yeah |
| 23:26.29 | mutexer | I never pictured him to look like that |
| 23:26.41 | pyromance | kergoth: I'll get the code out to you within the week, depending on how terrible my work load is at the office. |
| 23:26.54 | kergoth | raster: quarterly review of my yearly goals at work.. apparently I'm way behind on all of them |
| 23:27.12 | kergoth | pyromance: thatd be appreciated, one less thing on my plate :) |
| 23:27.58 | kergoth | I should really update my resume and start looking for embedded work before tech support causes me to go postal. |
| 23:28.14 | George- | kergoth: what exactly are these "goals"? |
| 23:28.14 | pyromance | I'm surprised Sharp hasn't offered you a job already |
| 23:28.58 | George- | kergoth: haha, I gotta quote that :) |
| 23:29.01 | George- | <kergoth> I should really update my resume and start looking for embedded work before tech support causes me to go postal. |
| 23:29.03 | George- | :) |
| 23:29.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:29.30 | *** topic/#zaurus by George- -> Sharp Zaurus Discussion | OpenZaurus discussion in #openzaurus and #openembedded | http://zaurus.com/ | http://myzaurus.com/ | <kergoth> I should really update my resume and start looking for embedded work before tech support causes me to go postal. |
| 23:29.31 | *** topic/#zaurus by ChanServ -> Sharp Zaurus Discussion | OpenZaurus discussion in #openzaurus and #openembedded | http://zaurus.com/ | http://myzaurus.com/ |
| 23:29.36 | kergoth | HEH! |
| 23:29.48 | George- | fucking ChanServ. |
| 23:29.59 | raster | kergoth: what werre your yearly goals? |
| 23:30.23 | kergoth | raster: stupid stuff. support call volume, number of help docs written for our support site, etc |
| 23:30.27 | raster | kergoth: and m,an.. those "yearly goals" shit is just CRAP. you never have time ot wokr on them a your always runing aorund putting ou5t fires anyway... |
| 23:30.51 | kergoth | indeed, I disagree with the whole concept. but hey. |
| 23:32.06 | kergoth | wonder if my boss left so i can bail early |
| 23:34.00 | pyromance | The yearly goals at my company are all the same. "Last the entire year without having one major catastrophe blamed on you. |
| 23:34.45 | raster | kergoth: hahahahahhaha |
| 23:35.00 | raster | kergoth: this year add "ork on openzarus" to your goals :) |
| 23:35.10 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:35.14 | raster | pyromance: hahahah |
| 23:35.27 | kergoth | "Go 6 months without calling a customer a dumbfuck without the MUTE button held" |
| 23:36.14 | pyromance | Thankfully my "promotion" means I spend less time on the phones with customers, but it means I handle escalations... i.e. they're already pissed off and believe we're incompetant before I get to talk to them. |
| 23:36.32 | George- | rofl |
| 23:36.39 | kergoth | pyromance: fun fun |
| 23:36.43 | kergoth | pyromance: know how that is |
| 23:37.17 | jwiz | kergoth: you dont' like wiki's ? :) |
| 23:37.27 | kergoth | heh, i love wikis for certain things |
| 23:37.33 | pyromance | kergoth: yeah. But mercifully the VLAN project keeps me in the cages moving servers to consolidate them "where they should be" so instead of annoying customers. I just get to break my back mounting servers in racks. |
| 23:37.36 | kergoth | we're using one for the work on the openembedded infrastructure |
| 23:37.50 | kergoth | its a great brainstorming medium |
| 23:38.00 | kergoth | but if you think it works for documentation.. go look at handhelds.org and then try saying that again. |
| 23:38.16 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:39.10 | raster | well a wiki is no different to having the web site in cvs anwyay |
| 23:39.18 | raster | and hen just editn the htmla nd commiting/updating |
| 23:39.25 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:39.27 | kergoth | we dont do that either |
| 23:39.29 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:39.31 | jwiz | kergoth: I just looked at handhelds.org, and it is not immediately obvious to me what the badness is |
| 23:39.32 | raster | and having the wbesite auto-cvs update whenever there is a commmit |
| 23:39.38 | doughecka | HMMMMMMM..... |
| 23:39.52 | raster | been doign that for enlightenment.org for about 3+ years now |
| 23:39.53 | jwiz | raster: the value of the wiki is that anyone can change it, right there |
| 23:39.54 | kergoth | jwiz: its 1) a nightmare to find the correct content, and 2) is often striaght out incorrect. |
| 23:39.57 | doughecka | "The two times it failed had to do with initrd.bin file being transferred as ASCII rather than Binary. Once was in downloading it with IE, the other time was when using WS_FTP to upload it to the CF through the Z as ASCII. In both cases, ensuring Binary transfer solved the problem. If you can, try a different OS or computer to download and transfer the files to the CF. " |
| 23:40.05 | kergoth | jwiz: yes, and that assumes that those who are editing are competant. |
| 23:40.05 | jwiz | raster: very low barrier to entry |
| 23:40.11 | jwiz | well, yes it does |
| 23:40.13 | jwiz | that's true |
| 23:40.18 | kergoth | jwiz: which is *rarely* the case, I find |
| 23:40.23 | raster | jwiz: thats the value of acvs too- you have th ewbe site tree chekced out.. cvs udpate, edit file, cvs commit. the same thing you do wiht the code. |
| 23:40.31 | kergoth | but then, when it comes to me, you're an idiot untijl proven otherwise |
| 23:40.39 | jwiz | raster: but not /anyone/ can do it |
| 23:40.48 | kergoth | jwiz: and thats the value as well. |
| 23:40.51 | jwiz | raster: only those with cvs (and cvs access for that matter) |
| 23:40.56 | kergoth | access control is a Good Thing(tm) |
| 23:41.00 | raster | jwiz: since its a project about coding... i'd sexpect the minimum ability is to handle cvs... :) |
| 23:41.18 | jwiz | raster: i'd wager that 80% of the people on the mailing list aren't coding anything |
| 23:41.22 | kergoth | regardless we use cvs for our web content, but its largely dynamic |
| 23:41.27 | raster | jwiz: and if your involved. you have the cvs tree checked out anyway.. so you get the website in the checkout too :) tis there just waiting for yu to edit the fiels and commit |
| 23:41.27 | raster | :) |
| 23:41.30 | kergoth | jwiz: right, and therein lies the problem with this project |
| 23:41.39 | kergoth | jwiz: the end user quotient is high, the competency is low |
| 23:41.42 | raster | jwiz: i'd wager more than that :) but tonnes have the cvs checked out |
| 23:41.43 | raster | :) |
| 23:42.14 | jwiz | well, check out the original wiki |
| 23:42.16 | pyromance | Code ain't easy. ;) |
| 23:42.21 | kergoth | jwiz: we already have a database driven faq system, we simply need the ability to submit updates to existing faqs. |
| 23:42.25 | kergoth | jwiz: this provides access control |
| 23:42.38 | kergoth | jwiz: the only content that goes up is content that has been approved. |
| 23:42.43 | jwiz | right, if you value access control, then a wiki is not what you want |
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| 23:42.58 | jwiz | OTOH, that is exactly the strength of the wiki |
| 23:43.08 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:43.13 | kergoth | its both its strength and weakness |
| 23:43.21 | jwiz | quite so |
| 23:43.39 | kergoth | I'm not opposed to adding one as nearly a discussion forum for unofficial documentation |
| 23:43.51 | kergoth | but it'd live side by side with our approved, known good, docs |
| 23:43.59 | kergoth | thereby giving you the best of both worlds. |
| 23:44.13 | jwiz | sure, "worthy companion", and so forth |
| 23:44.16 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:44.36 | kergoth | myself, i prefer a mailing list. mailing list archives are a great resource for unofficial content |
| 23:44.41 | kergoth | wiki's just another medium |
| 23:44.58 | kergoth | but we'll add a wiki to openzaurus.org, rest assured |
| 23:45.03 | kergoth | i believe its on noda's todo |
| 23:45.07 | kergoth | somewhere down the list a ways |
| 23:45.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:46.23 | jwiz | the thing about a wiki (over mailing lists) is that it's a PITA to search mailing lists |
| 23:46.33 | jwiz | and you can't dynamically organize their content |
| 23:46.37 | kergoth | especially when you're using SF |
| 23:46.42 | kergoth | whose archive interface blows |
| 23:46.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:46.48 | jwiz | i.e. "refactor" the wiki |
| 23:46.58 | kergoth | agreed |
| 23:47.02 | jwiz | yeah, the finally seem to have fixed the search engine |
| 23:47.10 | jwiz | for a while searching on "kergoth" returned 0 hits |
| 23:47.14 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:50.43 | pyromance | Hmm |
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| 23:51.52 | krezel | At the risk of being RTFM'ed, where can I find info on building my own ipk's? |
| 23:52.50 | pyromance | RTFM? |
| 23:52.51 | *** join/#zaurus ljp (~ljp@tz0196.peakpeak.com) |
| 23:53.06 | pyromance | Actually an IPK is a gzipped tar |
| 23:53.12 | pyromance | Of three files |
| 23:53.13 | tux_mike | not anymore |
| 23:53.14 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 23:53.14 | krezel | I thought there was a script someplace |
| 23:53.20 | tux_mike | it's now CPIO |
| 23:53.26 | pyromance | Let me find TFM |
| 23:54.17 | krezel | http://docs.zaurus.com/ipkg_howto.shtml |
| 23:54.34 | pyromance | Ya beat me to it |
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| 23:55.07 | ljp | sharp rom still uses the tarball tarballs |
| 23:55.12 | ljp | for ipkg |
| 23:55.33 | krezel | Whats the new format like then? |
| 23:55.53 | pyromance | Tarred and feathered? |
| 23:55.54 | chouimat|tv | krezel: .deb |
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| 23:55.58 | krezel | ah |
| 23:55.59 | krezel | gotcha |
| 23:56.00 | George- | tarball archives |
| 23:56.55 | chouimat|tv | ok I'm still on ignore |
