| 00:00.03 | George- | TCMAN: I felt it was my duty to post a message to tell him that he was a complete idiot |
| 00:00.05 | doughecka | oGMo: ok, so I pressed C and D and pressed the reset button, but it doesnt light up both the lights |
| 00:00.27 | George- | doughecka: did you press C and D at the same time, whilst hitting the reset button? |
| 00:00.33 | George- | doughecka: it's a weird movement :) |
| 00:00.38 | doughecka | at the same time? |
| 00:00.42 | George- | yes |
| 00:00.43 | doughecka | I think I tried |
| 00:00.48 | George- | hold C and D down at the same time |
| 00:00.52 | George- | then whilst holding them down |
| 00:00.54 | George- | hit the reset button |
| 00:00.58 | doughecka | k |
| 00:01.03 | George- | you get used to it after a while :) |
| 00:01.07 | TCMAN | George-: well, idiots will be idiots, i wouldnt waste money on mac anyway :) |
| 00:01.16 | George- | TCMAN: bah |
| 00:01.22 | George- | http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?13@156.NFwKa8qkjth.4@.3bc164e9/8 |
| 00:01.30 | George- | just posted that as a follow up :) |
| 00:01.39 | ljp | George-: you use a mac? |
| 00:01.47 | George- | ljp: running Linux :) |
| 00:02.04 | rusty^_^ | anybody knows where could i get a recent version of the openzaurus kernel? |
| 00:02.11 | George- | rusty^_^: OPENZAURUS.OREG |
| 00:02.14 | TCMAN | George-: if you run linux on it what does it matter what is the hardware under the hood ? :) |
| 00:02.15 | George- | s/OREG/ORG/ |
| 00:02.23 | George- | TCMAN: hrmm? |
| 00:02.48 | George- | TCMAN: I like the tibooks h/w |
| 00:02.58 | George- | TCMAN: lightweight, big screen, long battery life |
| 00:02.59 | TCMAN | George-: what is the difference between wintel and apple notebooks running linux ? PRICE |
| 00:03.02 | rusty^_^ | George- |
| 00:03.06 | doughecka | hm |
| 00:03.09 | doughecka | nope |
| 00:03.11 | George- | TCMAN: no speedstep bullshit :) |
| 00:03.23 | doughecka | when I push the button, the lights go out and nothing happens |
| 00:03.24 | rusty^_^ | at openzaurus not appear to have kernel images |
| 00:03.44 | George- | kergoth: can you forcibly educate rusty^_^ how to navigate a website? |
| 00:03.45 | George- | :) |
| 00:03.47 | TCMAN | George-: yeah, probably because intel running in powersaving mode can run circles around tibook :) |
| 00:03.54 | George- | TCMAN: hrmm |
| 00:03.54 | rusty^_^ | George- |
| 00:03.56 | rusty^_^ | :P |
| 00:04.07 | George- | TCMAN: my tibook can compile kde in 16 hours (from CVS) |
| 00:04.20 | George- | TCMAN: that's pretty fast |
| 00:04.24 | doughecka | well, let me see, I hold down cancel to start it up? |
| 00:04.27 | rusty^_^ | i know how to navigate a website well |
| 00:04.28 | rusty^_^ | :P |
| 00:04.34 | ljp | George-: tyhats supposed to impress us? |
| 00:04.35 | George- | TCMAN: and considering that's the speed it runs at when it's on battery... ;) |
| 00:04.42 | George- | ljp: heh |
| 00:05.05 | TCMAN | George-: i dont know if 16hrs is good or bad |
| 00:05.18 | George- | TCMAN: it's good |
| 00:05.24 | TCMAN | George-: but i am not going to waste cpu cycles and disk space for kde :) |
| 00:05.25 | doughecka | should the PDA boot at all?, mine doesnt |
| 00:05.39 | George- | TCMAN: bah |
| 00:05.42 | ljp | nope. pda shouldnt boot |
| 00:05.46 | George- | ljp: lol |
| 00:05.51 | ljp | did you hit the reset after you flashed? |
| 00:05.51 | doughecka | at all, like, dead |
| 00:05.54 | doughecka | well |
| 00:05.57 | doughecka | I cant reset |
| 00:05.59 | George- | TCMAN: I'm a kde developer (sorta) |
| 00:06.03 | doughecka | the thing just sits there |
| 00:06.19 | doughecka | the charge light goes out |
| 00:06.21 | doughecka | and thats it |
| 00:06.39 | ljp | is the cf fat16? |
| 00:06.48 | doughecka | yea |
| 00:06.54 | doughecka | never reformated |
| 00:07.01 | George- | doughecka: uhm |
| 00:07.01 | ljp | power plugged in? |
| 00:07.06 | George- | doughecka: it might be fat32 then |
| 00:07.07 | doughecka | yup |
| 00:07.17 | TCMAN | doughecka: format it fat16 to be sure |
| 00:07.22 | doughecka | how? |
| 00:07.25 | doughecka | in XP |
| 00:07.32 | George- | oh god |
| 00:07.36 | George- | XP... |
| 00:07.45 | George- | cya kergoth`bbl |
| 00:07.57 | doughecka | I aint gonna reboot into leenox to format a CF card |
| 00:07.59 | ljp | does cygwin have a format exe? |
| 00:08.05 | DrX | help... I'm about to throw my new SD away |
| 00:08.14 | doughecka | DrX: DONT! |
| 00:08.16 | mark | TCMAN: you are *not* a kde developer :P |
| 00:08.18 | TCMAN | doughecka: right click on the drive should bring up some menu in XP |
| 00:08.18 | doughecka | send it to me instead! |
| 00:08.22 | George- | doughecka: well, you either reboot into linux, or you have a non-functioning zaurus |
| 00:08.32 | George- | TCMAN: it'll only format as fat32 in winxp |
| 00:08.35 | George- | TCMAN: iirc |
| 00:08.37 | TCMAN | mark: i am not :) |
| 00:08.43 | mark | TCMAN: that was for George- |
| 00:08.47 | DrX | doughecka: ehhh it doesn't work properly... and i don't know who's fault |
| 00:08.56 | George- | what did mark say? I have him on ignore |
| 00:08.57 | George- | :P |
| 00:09.06 | TCMAN | George-: w2k can format fat16, i dont know about xp |
| 00:09.09 | doughecka | hm |
| 00:09.22 | TCMAN | George-: that you are not kde developer |
| 00:09.34 | George- | TCMAN: hehe |
| 00:09.40 | doughecka | what happens if you try reflashing ur device without a CF card in it? |
| 00:09.41 | George- | TCMAN: That's why I said (sorta) |
| 00:09.52 | George- | TCMAN: I'm an ex kde dev, going back to it when I get my tibook back |
| 00:10.03 | cynTop | DrX: does it stop copying like 6 megs into it or so |
| 00:10.13 | DrX | cynTop: a lot less ! |
| 00:10.17 | cynTop | I had that problem on sharp rom (haven't tried on OZ) |
| 00:10.19 | DrX | cynTop: a few K's |
| 00:10.24 | cynTop | few K';s! |
| 00:10.24 | DrX | hmmm |
| 00:10.26 | cynTop | good lord |
| 00:10.35 | DrX | damn thing |
| 00:10.44 | cynTop | that's screwy |
| 00:10.47 | doughecka | send it to me... its the best solution |
| 00:10.48 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:10.51 | DrX | I have a 128 Mb CF I used on Z |
| 00:11.02 | cynTop | iirc one possible solution is to make sure nosync is on the card? |
| 00:11.12 | cynTop | ... nosync set in /etc/fstab *for* the card |
| 00:11.15 | cynTop | that is |
| 00:12.09 | doughecka | the format dialog says only FAT |
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| 00:12.15 | George- | I actually need to reflash my Z |
| 00:12.18 | George- | I totally fucked it up |
| 00:12.28 | DrX | well. this is a MAJOR problem |
| 00:12.29 | doughecka | hm, so lets say my device is badly flashed |
| 00:12.39 | doughecka | and I start it up, what does it do? |
| 00:12.46 | Matthew_I | are there other ways to sync the zaurus besides qtopia desktop? cause mine allways disconnects during operations |
| 00:12.54 | George- | doughecka: take the battery out and leave it for a couple of hours, then try to reflash |
| 00:12.57 | TCMAN | doughecka: probably hang or reset |
| 00:13.10 | doughecka | mine just sits there |
| 00:13.11 | George- | doughecka: and make sure you aren't hitting any buttons OTHER THAN THE C + D buttons when you reflash |
| 00:13.16 | doughecka | doin nothing |
| 00:13.25 | doughecka | George-: yea, I used my finger nail |
| 00:13.27 | doughecka | s |
| 00:13.30 | TCMAN | doughecka: maybe you can try flashing sharp rom or something |
| 00:13.38 | George- | doughecka: are you sure you're hitting both buttons down then? |
| 00:13.38 | doughecka | thats what I am trying |
| 00:13.41 | doughecka | yup |
| 00:13.44 | doughecka | possitive |
| 00:13.56 | doughecka | OSPACK is what its named right? |
| 00:14.04 | doughecka | no caps? all caps? |
| 00:14.18 | George- | doughecka: uhm |
| 00:14.19 | TCMAN | doughecka: as i understand there is bootloader code in the beginning of rom, followed by kernel and rootfs |
| 00:14.23 | George- | doughecka: rename it to romimage |
| 00:14.26 | George- | doughecka: I think |
| 00:14.27 | doughecka | oh |
| 00:14.31 | doughecka | lemme try that |
| 00:14.33 | doughecka | and dinner |
| 00:14.36 | doughecka | so BBL |
| 00:14.39 | TCMAN | doughecka: flashing sharp rom flashes whole rom image including bootloader |
| 00:14.41 | doughecka | in an hour or so |
| 00:14.43 | doughecka | ok |
| 00:14.49 | TCMAN | doughecka: flashing OZ flashes only kernel and rootfs |
| 00:15.03 | doughecka | ah |
| 00:15.04 | doughecka | ok |
| 00:15.06 | DrX | hmm maybe it's a battery issue |
| 00:15.09 | doughecka | bbl in about an hour |
| 00:15.17 | TCMAN | doughecka: possibly if you f**k up flashing sharp rom you can have broken bootloader and no more flashing possible |
| 00:16.36 | DrX | this is weird because after copying few kb's the deviced remounts as RO |
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| 00:17.46 | George- | TCMAN: in which case it can be debricked using JAL or something |
| 00:17.59 | George- | (can't remember the name) |
| 00:17.59 | TCMAN | George-: what is JAL ? |
| 00:18.13 | George- | TCMAN: apparently, it's a way to directly access the flash rom without needing any software |
| 00:18.39 | TCMAN | George-: ahh, i dont have enough experience points to progress to this level and learn this spell yet :) |
| 00:18.50 | chouimat | George-: it's jtag |
| 00:19.07 | George- | hang on I'm interrogating ibot |
| 00:19.26 | TCMAN | chouimat: isnt it some interface on the cpu or motherboard ? |
| 00:19.39 | chouimat | TCMAN: bot |
| 00:19.49 | chouimat | s/bot/both |
| 00:20.21 | TCMAN | chouimat: so one just needs special cable or some extra device to access it |
| 00:20.23 | TCMAN | ? |
| 00:20.32 | chouimat | special cable |
| 00:21.16 | TCMAN | chouimat: good too know (not that i am planning on bricking my Z) :) |
| 00:21.40 | chouimat | TCMAN: I hope for you |
| 00:22.57 | ljp | dude, take out power cord, take out battery for two minutes. try to reflash |
| 00:22.57 | chouimat | ljp: that too |
| 00:23.31 | ljp | hmm.. pizzatime |
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| 00:24.58 | chouimat | ljp: hmmm good idea ... maybe tomorrow |
| 00:25.04 | darmou | Ahh the zaurus is no longer booting:( |
| 00:25.14 | ljp | I fixed my z that did that after a bad flash |
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| 00:26.00 | darmou | ljp you had to reflash? |
| 00:27.13 | ljp | I have reflashed many many times |
| 00:27.24 | George- | ljp: make sure you don't hit the 10,000 mark ;) |
| 00:27.40 | ljp | George-: thats a falsehood |
| 00:27.50 | George- | ljp: hrmm? |
| 00:28.27 | DrX | damn. sorry to insist... nut is anyone using SD's or am I the only one ?! |
| 00:28.32 | DrX | s/nut/but |
| 00:28.36 | ljp | I use a sd |
| 00:28.51 | DrX | ljp: OZ or sharps rom ? |
| 00:28.59 | George- | I'm using a 128MB SD too |
| 00:29.07 | ljp | both |
| 00:29.15 | ljp | I have two z's |
| 00:29.31 | DrX | re-checking: to unprotect the SD the 'lid' has to be down ...? |
| 00:29.49 | ljp | uuummm.. hmmm.. |
| 00:29.58 | DrX | it's not a lid... it's a 'clip' or whatever |
| 00:31.10 | ljp | mine has a slider on one side that says 'lock' and points away from the meta tines |
| 00:31.10 | George- | TCMAN: ping |
| 00:31.10 | George- | TCMAN: it's called "JTAG" |
| 00:31.20 | ljp | and always has been in the position closest to those tines, if thats what you mean by protectr |
| 00:31.32 | ljp | qtag |
| 00:31.50 | DrX | damn cheap sd |
| 00:31.57 | DrX | doesn't say anything :p |
| 00:33.43 | George- | whoa |
| 00:33.47 | George- | AlephOne stole my Howto |
| 00:33.54 | George- | :D |
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| 00:34.56 | DrX | hmm. go to return this SD definitly |
| 00:35.05 | ljp | why? |
| 00:35.13 | rusty^_^ | anybody could mount nfs volumes with oz? |
| 00:35.23 | George- | DrX: what SD make/size? |
| 00:35.51 | DrX | PQI / regular size I think |
| 00:36.03 | DrX | "SD Memory Card" |
| 00:36.06 | DrX | 64Mb |
| 00:36.18 | ljp | whats wrong with it? |
| 00:36.23 | DrX | it was about 35 USD |
| 00:36.34 | DrX | ljp: it doesn't work properly |
| 00:36.40 | ljp | how so? |
| 00:36.42 | DrX | I can't copy about anything to it |
| 00:36.58 | ljp | might have fs errors on it |
| 00:37.06 | DrX | during the copy process it remount's it as RO~ |
| 00:37.09 | George- | wtf, my name is listed in the credits for the book "ARMLinux for Developers" |
| 00:37.14 | DrX | I formatted it twice |
| 00:37.15 | George- | rofl |
| 00:37.32 | DrX | George-: great ! |
| 00:37.35 | ljp | formatted it as what fs? |
| 00:37.53 | George- | DrX: I didn't actually do anything, they stole my howto, shoved it in and are selling the book :) |
| 00:38.07 | DrX | hmm that's a nasty thing to do |
| 00:38.15 | DrX | ljp: vfat |
| 00:38.15 | ljp | George-: put that on your resume |
| 00:38.15 | George- | DrX: I'm not bothered ;) |
| 00:38.18 | DrX | ext 2 |
| 00:38.21 | George- | ljp: ya think so? |
| 00:38.27 | DrX | yeah George- |
| 00:38.28 | ljp | sure, why not |
| 00:38.30 | George- | http://www.aleph1.co.uk/armlinux/book/prefdev.html#AEN23 |
| 00:38.38 | George- | "Stephen Harris, George Wright and Nathan Catlow for their Psion documentation;" |
| 00:38.39 | George- | heh |
| 00:39.15 | ljp | DrX: ext2? |
| 00:39.27 | DrX | I tried both |
| 00:39.29 | ljp | DrX: do you have embeddedkonsole installed? |
| 00:39.38 | DrX | yup |
| 00:39.48 | ljp | run mount |
| 00:39.59 | DrX | I just unmounted it |
| 00:40.02 | DrX | I'll remount |
| 00:41.19 | DrX | ok. I'll let automount work |
| 00:41.32 | DrX | it's mounted as rw |
| 00:41.41 | DrX | /dev/mmcda1 /mnt/card |
| 00:41.43 | ljp | well, automount may mount it wrong |
| 00:41.44 | DrX | right ? |
| 00:42.12 | George- | ljp: hrmm, looks like I didn't actually write that much of it :) |
| 00:42.16 | ljp | what fs did it mount as? is that the same as you last formatted? |
| 00:42.29 | DrX | yes |
| 00:42.30 | ljp | George-: so. nice resume fodder |
| 00:42.30 | DrX | vfat |
| 00:43.02 | George- | ljp: pah |
| 00:43.35 | George- | 8th september 2000 |
| 00:43.38 | George- | wow |
| 00:43.40 | DrX | empty one... |
| 00:44.01 | George- | DrX: nifty |
| 00:44.14 | DrX | a dream has come true |
| 00:44.15 | ljp | http://www.trolltech.com/video/overview.rm?cid=2 |
| 00:44.49 | ljp | pay special attention to the very end of that movie :) |
| 00:45.26 | George- | ljp: what type of movie is it? |
| 00:45.36 | ljp | trolltech movie |
| 00:45.40 | ljp | rm |
| 00:46.03 | DrX | cp -R /root/etc . (/mnt/card) |
| 00:46.06 | DrX | it hanged |
| 00:46.07 | mark | ljp: how much of the end? |
| 00:46.10 | George- | rm == realmedia? |
| 00:46.20 | ljp | the very end last scene :D |
| 00:46.33 | ljp | maybe 15 seconds |
| 00:46.34 | DrX | it's you ljp? |
| 00:46.47 | DrX | or the generic has your name in it ? :) |
| 00:46.58 | mark | gah, real refusing to fast forward |
| 00:47.11 | George- | IT'S 20MB |
| 00:47.13 | ljp | grab the slider |
| 00:47.23 | mark | ljp: i know, it then wont rebuffer |
| 00:47.23 | ljp | ya, its a long movie |
| 00:47.36 | George- | bleh |
| 00:47.38 | mark | George-: streaming? |
| 00:47.40 | ljp | DrX: still wont work? |
| 00:47.43 | George- | Thank god I (finally) have ADSL |
| 00:47.45 | DrX | ljp:nah |
| 00:47.45 | George- | mark: dunno |
| 00:47.49 | George- | mark: doesn't look like it |
| 00:47.57 | DrX | it must be the quality of it... I hope |
| 00:48.12 | ljp | DrX: thats odd |
| 00:48.18 | mark | George-: no no, dont just download the whole thing, it streams if u play it with real |
| 00:48.35 | George- | mark: ahhh |
| 00:48.36 | George- | brb |
| 00:48.40 | DrX | there it is... it left the 'hanged state' and it's now mounted as RO |
| 00:48.49 | DrX | stupid issue |
| 00:48.54 | ljp | sharp rom? |
| 00:48.57 | DrX | yup |
| 00:49.40 | DrX | it's a shame I don't have anything else that would read/write it |
| 00:51.15 | DrX | ahah |
| 00:51.18 | DrX | nice presentation |
| 00:51.29 | DrX | wow |
| 00:51.38 | DrX | Volker has a huge head |
| 00:51.45 | DrX | :] |
| 00:51.57 | DrX | Eirik too... |
| 00:53.23 | ivan | god damn amazon is getting more worthless every day |
| 00:53.26 | ivan | the reviews are just spam now |
| 00:53.35 | DrX | really? |
| 00:53.45 | ivan | yes |
| 00:53.55 | ivan | you have to have at least 5 reviews now to be sure |
| 00:54.50 | DrX | 61 lines of code to produce a small widget on QT |
| 00:55.05 | DrX | against hundreds of lines on other languages |
| 00:55.09 | George- | woot |
| 00:55.19 | ivan | umm, two lines in python probably |
| 00:55.20 | George- | Matthias Ettrich is in that Qt3 video |
| 00:55.23 | DrX | :] |
| 00:55.27 | DrX | one on bash |
| 00:55.29 | George- | :) |
| 00:55.51 | DrX | yeah |
| 00:55.56 | DrX | wow |
| 00:56.00 | DrX | nice Z |
| 00:56.07 | mark | ah the kool desktop environment :) |
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| 00:56.36 | doughecka | JTAG? |
| 00:57.28 | ljp | krazy desktop environment |
| 00:58.21 | doughecka | If things go REALLY wrong, you could try borrowing $100,000 of JTAG equipment, as well. |
| 00:58.22 | DrX | cool presentation indeed |
| 00:58.29 | George- | lmao |
| 00:58.37 | doughecka | hrm |
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| 00:58.44 | DrX | ljp: you seem to be feeding your ego... |
| 00:58.51 | George- | "You use Qt to display in languages from Hebrew to Japanese to Korean to Kling-on" |
| 00:58.53 | DrX | :] |
| 00:58.53 | George- | WTF?!?!? |
| 00:58.56 | doughecka | does any have any JTAG equipment I can borrow |
| 00:58.56 | doughecka | ? |
| 00:59.20 | ljp | did you take out power and bettery for two or three minutes? |
| 00:59.25 | doughecka | yup |
| 00:59.26 | ljp | battery |
| 00:59.41 | ljp | and then reflash |
| 01:00.14 | doughecka | when I push the button, the lights just go out |
| 01:00.14 | DrX | ljp: the quote ? |
| 01:00.14 | DrX | was that what you meant? |
| 01:00.14 | ljp | :D |
| 01:00.14 | DrX | heheh |
| 01:00.42 | DrX | damn it's late here ! |
| 01:02.08 | mark | ljp: are you in the very end of the movie? i dont get it.. |
| 01:02.28 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:02.31 | George- | OH I SEE |
| 01:02.32 | George- | LMAO |
| 01:02.39 | doughecka | should the charge light go out? |
| 01:02.47 | mark | George-: explain :) |
| 01:02.57 | doughecka | it goes out a few seconds after I plug it in |
| 01:03.13 | chouimat | mark: ? |
| 01:03.15 | rusty^_^ | anybody has tkcmail? |
| 01:03.19 | George- | mark: Quote: "Trolltech, if you were a woman, I'd... I'd... Well, I'd take you out for dinner and a movie!" - Lorn Potter, author of Gutenbrowser |
| 01:03.23 | George- | mark: That's on screen |
| 01:03.40 | chouimat | George-: ha ha ha ha ha |
| 01:03.45 | ljp | nobody uses tkcmail |
| 01:03.56 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: charge light goes out .. when its not charging. |
| 01:03.59 | chouimat | ljp: caution ... :) |
| 01:04.00 | rusty^_^ | ljp |
| 01:04.01 | George- | ljp: that's a bit harsh on rikkus, he worked for ages on that |
| 01:04.02 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: thats all it implies. |
| 01:04.11 | mark | George-: that doesnt mean people use it |
| 01:04.12 | chouimat | hey George- |
| 01:04.16 | rusty^_^ | and, could u tell me a good mail client? |
| 01:04.19 | George- | ljp: do you think I could persuade those dudes at Aleph1 to give me a copy of "ARMLinux for Developers" for free? :) |
| 01:04.27 | George- | mark: bleh |
| 01:04.29 | ljp | dunno. perhaps |
| 01:04.33 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:04.45 | ljp | get a lawyer to write a letter, sure |
| 01:04.47 | mutexer | what is ARMLinux for Developers? |
| 01:04.48 | doughecka | so when I push the reset button and the C and D keys, does it go out too? |
| 01:04.52 | George- | mutexer: a book |
| 01:04.53 | doughecka | then back on? |
| 01:05.03 | mutexer | ASM or just programming in general? |
| 01:05.21 | George- | mutexer: it looks like ARMLinux in general |
| 01:05.22 | ljp | George-: thats rikkus' problem |
| 01:05.27 | George- | ljp: hehe :) |
| 01:05.32 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: the power light is irrelevent |
| 01:05.36 | George- | ljp: I actually don't think he cares, so long as tkc paid him :P |
| 01:05.37 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: pay attention to the mail light behavior |
| 01:05.43 | doughecka | that never turns on |
| 01:06.00 | chouimat | how nmuch is that book ... |
| 01:06.14 | George- | ljp: I'll whisk an email off to wookey about it |
| 01:06.25 | ljp | wookey? |
| 01:06.28 | George- | yah |
| 01:06.31 | George- | he's a guy I know at Aleph1 |
| 01:06.35 | mark | ljp: isn't that what you said whilst trying to get a job? :) |
| 01:06.45 | kergoth`bbl | George-: wookey, the debian devel? |
| 01:06.45 | ljp | heheh no |
| 01:06.57 | George- | kergoth`bbl: the guy that has no first name? |
| 01:06.57 | chouimat | mark: ask George- how much is that book .... |
| 01:06.58 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:07.08 | George- | kergoth`bbl: that works at Aleph1, ARM Linux dude |
| 01:07.09 | ljp | I wrote that years ago. they picked it up, and havebeen putting it on their brochures and such |
| 01:07.13 | kergoth`bbl | George-: dunno |
| 01:07.16 | mark | George-: how much is that book? |
| 01:07.17 | George- | ljp: haha |
| 01:07.22 | George- | mark: 37 eur |
| 01:07.32 | George- | no |
| 01:07.32 | mark | ljp: ah right, its what you said *before* you applied for a job there :) |
| 01:07.38 | George- | 58 EUR |
| 01:07.42 | chouimat | mark: tell him that I'm thanking him |
| 01:07.42 | ljp | ya |
| 01:07.48 | mark | George-: chouimat says thanks |
| 01:07.56 | chouimat | lol |
| 01:08.00 | George- | mark: for what? |
| 01:08.10 | ljp | I have been told I amfamous in TT because of that |
| 01:08.19 | George- | ljp: you are famous everywhere! :P |
| 01:08.27 | mark | ljp: and still no job. sucks. |
| 01:08.38 | George- | ljp: apply for a job at Qt :) |
| 01:08.39 | George- | er.. |
| 01:08.41 | George- | trolltech |
| 01:08.45 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:08.45 | ljp | mark: waiting to hear from them actually |
| 01:08.46 | George- | s/Qt/TrollTech/ |
| 01:08.54 | mark | ljp: oh, i thought you didn't get it ages ago |
| 01:08.56 | doughecka | so OSPACK needs to be OSPACK or romimage? |
| 01:09.09 | chouimat | mark: I think I'm sttill on George- ignore :) |
| 01:09.12 | ljp | that was for one in Olso, Brisbane is more interested |
| 01:09.18 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: 'romimage' is only for 5000d units. |
| 01:09.23 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:09.25 | doughecka | ok |
| 01:09.34 | mark | ljp: ah ok |
| 01:09.35 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: and if you flash a ospack onto a 5000d, you'll be in trouble. |
| 01:09.36 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 01:09.42 | doughecka | ok |
| 01:09.47 | doughecka | so what about OSPACK |
| 01:09.51 | George- | kergoth`bbl: his email is wookey@aleph1.co.uk, ring any bells? |
| 01:09.54 | doughecka | does it need to be labled anything? |
| 01:09.59 | doughecka | all caps? |
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| 01:10.22 | George- | doughecka: FAT is case insensitive |
| 01:10.28 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:10.32 | bobcat | George-: thanks for telling me the book price |
| 01:10.33 | doughecka | so it doesnt care |
| 01:10.36 | George- | no |
| 01:10.40 | doughecka | hm |
| 01:10.51 | George- | mark: FOR WHAT DAMNIT?!?! |
| 01:10.53 | George- | ;) |
| 01:10.55 | doughecka | what about zImage and initrd.bin for OZ, is that correct? |
| 01:11.00 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: yes |
| 01:11.06 | doughecka | k |
| 01:11.12 | doughecka | bah, thing just wont flash |
| 01:11.13 | bobcat | hi |
| 01:11.14 | George- | kergoth`bbl: so a 5500 won't flash a ROMIMAGE file? |
| 01:11.29 | George- | kergoth`bbl: same as a 5000D won't flash an OSPACK file? |
| 01:11.30 | doughecka | just dies when I push the reset button and the C D keys |
| 01:11.42 | kergoth`bbl | George-: yes |
| 01:11.52 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: then the filesystem is hosed |
| 01:11.54 | George- | kergoth`bbl: hrmm, didn't know that |
| 01:11.57 | chouimat | mark: George- is stil asking you for what ? |
| 01:11.57 | doughecka | hm |
| 01:11.58 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: or the card is just one that cant flash |
| 01:12.04 | doughecka | how do I fix that? |
| 01:12.06 | doughecka | ;) |
| 01:12.16 | kergoth`bbl | you read the mailing list archives |
| 01:12.19 | mark | chouimat: no, he hasn't asked again |
| 01:12.19 | doughecka | nope |
| 01:12.23 | kergoth`bbl | where flashing issues have been beaten to death |
| 01:12.26 | kergoth`bbl | including how to reformat your card |
| 01:12.27 | mark | ljp: where do qpe apps get written? brisbane? |
| 01:12.29 | kergoth`bbl | 'nope'? |
| 01:12.36 | kergoth`bbl | okay, dont read the mailing list archives. good fucking luck. |
| 01:12.37 | ljp | mark: yes :) |
| 01:12.38 | kergoth`bbl | have fun. |
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| 01:12.43 | doughecka | ehm |
| 01:12.49 | doughecka | I thought you asked IF I read them |
| 01:13.04 | ljp | hehehe |
| 01:13.14 | bobcat | hi ljp kergoth`bbl |
| 01:13.26 | ljp | hi bobcat |
| 01:13.27 | doughecka | proper grammer helps too |
| 01:13.32 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:13.36 | bobcat | meow |
| 01:13.49 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: 'you read the mailing list archives' isnt proper grammar? |
| 01:13.59 | ljp | hey! my grammer is all proper! she's been proper since 1934! |
| 01:14.01 | kergoth`bbl | "how do i fix that?" "you read the mailing list archives" |
| 01:14.06 | kergoth`bbl | seems pretty straightforward to me. |
| 01:14.14 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:14.14 | DrX | bye |
| 01:14.19 | bobcat | ljp: she use a litterbox? |
| 01:14.28 | ljp | my cat? ya |
| 01:14.34 | doughecka | aaah |
| 01:14.51 | doughecka | in a strange sorta way, it is proper. :P |
| 01:15.00 | George- | doughecka: Rule no 1: DON'T ARGUE WITH KERGOTH :) |
| 01:15.01 | doughecka | wheres the mailing list anyway? |
| 01:15.08 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: openzaurus.org |
| 01:15.10 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: contacat |
| 01:15.13 | kergoth`bbl | doughecka: contact rather |
| 01:15.18 | doughecka | aaah |
| 01:15.24 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 01:15.26 | ljp | George-: kergoth is not some god to worship, ya know |
| 01:15.27 | doughecka | cool, thx |
| 01:15.35 | George- | ljp: hah |
| 01:15.37 | doughecka | ljp: really? |
| 01:15.41 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth`bbl (for warning the newbies) |
| 01:15.44 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@212.126.151.69) |
| 01:15.45 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:15.47 | George- | kergoth`bbl: wtf |
| 01:15.50 | kergoth`bbl | :P |
| 01:15.52 | ljp | he's a shell script, for crists sake! |
| 01:15.59 | George- | kergoth`bbl: you stupid asshole! |
| 01:16.05 | kergoth`bbl | George-: hey now |
| 01:16.06 | George- | kergoth`bbl: I hope you rot in Redmond |
| 01:16.06 | doughecka | ljp: ooh, ur turn now |
| 01:16.07 | George- | :) |
| 01:16.09 | kergoth`bbl | George-: i may me an asshole |
| 01:16.11 | kergoth`bbl | George-: but i'm not stupid. |
| 01:16.15 | chouimat | George-: you're a moron if you think kergoth`bbl is not a powerfull Lispp program |
| 01:16.19 | George- | kergoth`bbl: bah |
| 01:16.30 | ljp | oh no, kergoth hates lisp |
| 01:16.36 | kergoth`bbl | yes, lisp is evil |
| 01:16.41 | mark | ~lart George- |
| 01:16.43 | George- | kergoth`bbl is evil |
| 01:16.47 | George- | mark: I have that stupid bot on ignore |
| 01:17.10 | chouimat | ljp:I'm still on George- ignore .... so I can say anithing and he won't know :) |
| 01:17.19 | ljp | hehehehe |
| 01:17.22 | chouimat | weatherbot: George- |
| 01:17.33 | chouimat | weatherbot: George- is a moron |
| 01:17.38 | ljp | ha |
| 01:17.40 | chouimat | weatherbot: George- |
| 01:17.42 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:17.45 | chouimat | weatherbot: George-? |
| 01:17.48 | George- | :) |
| 01:18.07 | chouimat | ljp: even weatherbot don't want to know George- |
| 01:18.13 | nichos | How can i change the font on the icons. I change the font on buttons, and it doesnt change that, theres screenshots of it |
| 01:18.25 | doughecka | weatherbot: huh |
| 01:18.51 | ljp | nichos: I think only openzaurus/opie can do that] |
| 01:18.52 | George- | i have weatherbot on ignore too |
| 01:18.58 | doughecka | hah |
| 01:19.05 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 01:19.07 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 5 C (42 F), windspeed is 3.22 km/h, and visibility is 48.28 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.12 0100 UTC). |
| 01:19.08 | kergoth`bbl | George-: oh no! the scary weather! must hide |
| 01:19.11 | George- | I have apt, weatherbot, chouimat and ibot on ignore ;) |
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| 01:19.19 | George- | kergoth`bbl: bah, I live under a rock anyway |
| 01:19.23 | ljp | weatherbot: weather kbjc |
| 01:19.24 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Broomfield / Jeffco, CO, United States: It is 20 C (69 F), windspeed is 0.00 km/h, and visibility is 64.37 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.12 0048 UTC). |
| 01:19.27 | nichos | ljp thats what i have |
| 01:19.31 | doughecka | cool |
| 01:19.34 | do_guh_zaurus | how do you right click? |
| 01:19.51 | kergoth`bbl | do_guh_zaurus: tap+hold |
| 01:19.57 | ljp | hold the stylus is a right click mostly |
| 01:19.59 | nichos | ljp like this screenshot: http://caspian.dotconf.net/menu/Zaurus/display_image.php?preview=1&image=Ball |
| 01:20.04 | do_guh_zaurus | thanks |
| 01:20.18 | chouimat | George-: You're a big moron that doesn't have any special hair yet |
| 01:20.48 | ljp | nichos: two places to set fonts, I think. appearance and launcher |
| 01:20.51 | ljp | settings |
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| 01:22.15 | nichos | oh maybe in launcher |
| 01:23.01 | nichos | thanks man |
| 01:23.07 | ljp | kergoth`bbl: I still have the ipkg scripts |
| 01:24.26 | ljp | sure. |
| 01:24.30 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:25.31 | doughecka | ok |
| 01:25.43 | doughecka | so its been sitting for about 15 min without a battery |
| 01:26.02 | George- | ljp: I had to shave earlier today |
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| 01:26.11 | george2 | hi |
| 01:26.27 | George- | george2: I feel it is my duty to tell you that you are on ignore anyway |
| 01:26.28 | ljp | shaving eyebrows doesnt count |
| 01:26.36 | George- | ljp: upper lip. |
| 01:26.38 | George- | :P |
| 01:26.48 | george2 | George-: thanks for the arm book price |
| 01:27.55 | ljp | hmmm |
| 01:28.48 | George- | fack |
| 01:28.58 | George- | what's the websuck command again? :( |
| 01:29.22 | ljp | its /part |
| 01:29.27 | chouimat | ing some gnome crap |
| 01:29.38 | George- | zorian:/home/george/Work/Zaurus/OpenZaurus # /part |
| 01:29.38 | George- | bash: /part: No such file or directory |
| 01:29.45 | George- | nope, doesn't look like it |
| 01:31.06 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:31.07 | doughecka | nope |
| 01:31.10 | doughecka | dint flash |
| 01:31.12 | doughecka | no mail light |
| 01:31.13 | doughecka | :( |
| 01:31.42 | doughecka | hm |
| 01:31.55 | ljp | doughecka: did you say it mounted as vfat? |
| 01:32.04 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:32.05 | doughecka | no |
| 01:32.08 | doughecka | I run winders |
| 01:32.12 | doughecka | and it says its FAT |
| 01:32.18 | ljp | ok |
| 01:32.25 | doughecka | I never reformated it |
| 01:33.46 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:33.46 | doughecka | http://images.auctionworks.com/fullView.asp?img=http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/47/46754/25208a.jpg |
| 01:33.53 | doughecka | thats the one I bought |
| 01:34.02 | doughecka | the one I got doesnt even boot |
| 01:34.08 | doughecka | turn ON |
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| 01:34.36 | doughecka | same one though, it has the same mark on the front |
| 01:34.51 | doughecka | maybe my Powersupply is bad |
| 01:35.00 | doughecka | here |
| 01:35.03 | ljp | naa |
| 01:35.12 | doughecka | could someone tell me if the center conducter is positive or negitive? |
| 01:35.18 | ljp | never has booted? |
| 01:35.18 | doughecka | yea, it could be |
| 01:35.22 | doughecka | yup |
| 01:35.37 | George- | hey warmi |
| 01:36.16 | ljp | well, I _think_ sharp will reflash it if you can't. |
| 01:36.25 | George- | ljp: JTAG? |
| 01:36.56 | doughecka | ? |
| 01:37.01 | ljp | dunno. they used to reflash those |
| 01:37.07 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:37.25 | doughecka | could someone check there power supply and tell me if its center positive or negitive? |
| 01:37.26 | ljp | you have a cf reader? |
| 01:37.29 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:38.07 | ljp | have you tried putting hte romimage on it again? or redownloading it? |
| 01:38.13 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:38.17 | doughecka | many times |
| 01:38.42 | doughecka | but my power suply is sorta... |
| 01:38.44 | doughecka | rigged up |
| 01:38.50 | doughecka | I want to know if I have it setup right |
| 01:38.55 | ljp | hmmmm. rigged up? |
| 01:38.56 | doughecka | its 5 volts, 2 amps |
| 01:39.01 | doughecka | ljp: well..... |
| 01:39.27 | doughecka | a old PS out of a mac... and I took the 5 volts off that and fed it into a handy connector I found around here.... |
| 01:39.31 | doughecka | center positive |
| 01:39.39 | George- | shit |
| 01:39.43 | George- | I've lost my 128MB sd |
| 01:39.49 | doughecka | ouch |
| 01:39.57 | doughecka | get a new one for 40 bucks off ebay |
| 01:39.58 | doughecka | :P |
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| 01:40.38 | nichos | $49 w/mir @ circuit city |
| 01:40.39 | nichos | sandisk |
| 01:41.05 | doughecka | isnt sandisks bad? |
| 01:41.06 | ljp | 5v, 2a, center + |
| 01:41.22 | doughecka | for flashing? |
| 01:41.24 | doughecka | hm |
| 01:41.26 | nichos | $48 @ newegg.com |
| 01:41.30 | nichos | doughecka dunno, bought SD |
| 01:41.34 | nichos | seems to be fine |
| 01:41.45 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:41.57 | doughecka | thats correct... |
| 01:42.10 | doughecka | the charge light turns on |
| 01:42.17 | doughecka | and its 5 volts |
| 01:42.46 | doughecka | hum |
| 01:42.57 | ljp | you following the procedure for flashing, correct? |
| 01:43.01 | doughecka | yup |
| 01:43.09 | doughecka | reread it many times |
| 01:43.15 | ljp | c&d*reset |
| 01:43.30 | ljp | 5500 right? |
| 01:43.34 | doughecka | and the photo online shows it booted to a flashing cursor and a splash screen |
| 01:43.35 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:43.46 | George- | is opie-sh like AppleScript or something? |
| 01:44.07 | doughecka | lolololololol |
| 01:44.10 | doughecka | er |
| 01:44.16 | doughecka | applescript? |
| 01:44.29 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:44.48 | doughecka | how do I check that a battery is charged? |
| 01:45.13 | ljp | plug it in, its charged when the light goes out |
| 01:45.21 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:45.23 | doughecka | hm |
| 01:45.28 | cynTop | ? |
| 01:45.33 | George- | doughecka: Yes.. AppleScript. |
| 01:45.34 | doughecka | and to start the PDA I press cancel |
| 01:45.38 | cynTop | for me the light blinks while charging (i think) |
| 01:45.42 | cynTop | and is solid when done |
| 01:45.42 | doughecka | er, hold it down |
| 01:45.46 | ljp | press and hold cancel |
| 01:45.57 | doughecka | hmm, nothin |
| 01:46.02 | doughecka | not even a sound |
| 01:46.07 | doughecka | cynTop: oh? |
| 01:46.19 | George- | doughecka: er.. you *did* hit the reset button after flashing? |
| 01:46.22 | cynTop | doughecka: c700 |
| 01:46.32 | doughecka | George-: it wont flash in the first place! |
| 01:46.37 | ljp | George-: I dont think he gets that far |
| 01:46.38 | doughecka | the mail light never turns on |
| 01:46.39 | cynTop | doughecka: just didn't think they'd change that, simple notifications generally stay the same |
| 01:46.51 | doughecka | cynTop: yea... I would like a c700 |
| 01:46.56 | George- | doughecka: I think.. you are either a blithering idiot, or it's genuinely bricked |
| 01:47.09 | doughecka | huh |
| 01:48.14 | doughecka | Anyone want a broken 5500? its got a good LCD! |
| 01:48.15 | doughecka | :P |
| 01:48.18 | warmi | doughecka welcome to the wonderfull world of George :-) |
| 01:48.20 | cynTop | now now |
| 01:48.26 | George- | warmi: wth have I done?!?! :) |
| 01:48.28 | cynTop | you would be wiser to just hope you're a blithering idiot! |
| 01:48.28 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:48.34 | doughecka | cynTop: hmm, maybe |
| 01:48.42 | George- | warmi: btw - I found out earlier today that I wrote a chapter in "ARMLinux for Developers" :) |
| 01:48.46 | cynTop | doughecka: that won't cost you anything to get a working zaurus, except some time :) |
| 01:48.55 | doughecka | hah |
| 01:48.56 | doughecka | well |
| 01:49.14 | doughecka | the photo online showed it booted to the flashing cursor |
| 01:49.25 | doughecka | so unless this thing got zapped or something, it should work |
| 01:49.44 | George- | uh oh |
| 01:49.52 | George- | my laptop is making some weird and wonderful noises |
| 01:49.57 | doughecka | cool |
| 01:50.02 | doughecka | record it and make a cd |
| 01:50.09 | doughecka | make billions of bucks off it |
| 01:50.16 | George- | doughecka: sod off |
| 01:50.19 | doughecka | then buy a powerbook |
| 01:50.21 | cynTop | George-: hard drive goin bad? :( |
| 01:50.23 | ljp | ya, they listen to anything in England |
| 01:50.27 | George- | cynTop: doubt it |
| 01:50.28 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:50.33 | George- | cynTop: sounds like the fan :) |
| 01:50.38 | doughecka | fan? |
| 01:51.05 | doughecka | what laptop needs a FAN? heck, even my blazing fast 133 pentiun dont even have a fan in it! :) |
| 01:51.35 | ljp | doughecks: what happends if you press the reset button, and turn it back on? |
| 01:51.46 | doughecka | well, it dont turn on, thats the thing |
| 01:52.03 | ljp | the switch in back is up correct? |
| 01:52.13 | doughecka | just dead as a door nail on the wheel of a car in alaska in the winter time |
| 01:52.16 | doughecka | yup |
| 01:52.18 | doughecka | I tried that too |
| 01:52.40 | doughecka | even left the battery out for 15 min |
| 01:53.23 | ljp | you have never had it booted? and you just got it from an auction? |
| 01:53.26 | doughecka | Fabricado en Japan |
| 01:53.31 | doughecka | ljp: yup |
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| 01:53.42 | doughecka | but, the photo in the aution is the same one |
| 01:53.44 | George- | doughecka: so wait, you've tried to reflash *before* booting up? |
| 01:53.50 | doughecka | its got a mark on the same place |
| 01:53.59 | doughecka | George-: well, no |
| 01:54.02 | ljp | I would try to get your money back |
| 01:54.04 | doughecka | I tried booting it |
| 01:54.18 | doughecka | http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/47/46754/25208a.jpg |
| 01:54.26 | George- | doughecka: perhaps the idiot tried to flash a 5000D image on |
| 01:54.29 | doughecka | never got to that part, the LCD never turned on |
| 01:54.44 | ljp | did you leave it plugged in to charge the battery? |
| 01:54.48 | doughecka | yup |
| 01:54.55 | George- | doughecka: how much did you pay for it? |
| 01:54.57 | ljp | until the lights were out |
| 01:54.58 | doughecka | the charge light turns off |
| 01:55.01 | doughecka | George-: 142 |
| 01:55.10 | George- | hrmm |
| 01:55.16 | George- | well, it's a brick, by the looks of it |
| 01:55.28 | George- | perhaps timriker knows how to unbrick them? |
| 01:55.33 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:55.37 | doughecka | what would he know about it? |
| 01:55.42 | ljp | 1) send it back to that auction and get your money back or 2) send it into sharp to reflash |
| 01:55.51 | doughecka | ljp: does sharp charge? |
| 01:55.53 | doughecka | much? |
| 01:55.55 | George- | doughecka: well, he's an ex-Lineo dude, he's an ARM guru.. :) |
| 01:56.03 | doughecka | ah, cool |
| 01:56.09 | George- | ljp: I suspect the LCD might be fucked |
| 01:56.17 | ljp | dunno, it was free at one time, not sure about now, though. |
| 01:56.22 | cynTop | looked fine in the pic |
| 01:56.34 | doughecka | ljp: cool, I will email |
| 01:56.37 | ljp | that wouldnt stop it from flashing |
| 01:56.53 | George- | ljp: ahh |
| 01:57.01 | George- | ljp: perhaps the leds are broken too :) |
| 01:57.10 | doughecka | oooh |
| 01:57.13 | George- | ljp: perhaps the keyboard is as well :) |
| 01:57.20 | George- | and... :) |
| 01:57.21 | doughecka | George-: hmm, what else? |
| 01:57.31 | George- | doughecka: buzzer |
| 01:57.39 | ljp | maybe george needs to get to bed earlier |
| 01:57.46 | George- | Sat Apr 12 02:57:09 BST 2003 |
| 01:57.50 | George- | nah |
| 01:58.03 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:58.04 | doughecka | 2? |
| 01:58.08 | doughecka | yea, I think so too |
| 01:58.09 | George- | 3 |
| 01:58.12 | George- | 3am |
| 01:58.12 | George- | :) |
| 01:58.16 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:58.17 | doughecka | 3 |
| 01:58.20 | doughecka | BST? |
| 01:58.23 | doughecka | wheres that? |
| 01:58.24 | George- | yah |
| 01:58.26 | doughecka | the moon? |
| 01:58.28 | George- | British Summer Time you muppet |
| 01:58.40 | ljp | he's a Limey |
| 01:58.43 | doughecka | the moon is made of cheese |
| 01:58.45 | George- | I'm a BRIT |
| 01:58.46 | George- | :) |
| 01:58.50 | doughecka | so wallace says |
| 01:58.51 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:58.52 | ljp | Limey |
| 01:59.09 | George- | ljp: and what.. ARE YOU? |
| 01:59.14 | doughecka | bloody limey hell, its late! :) |
| 01:59.19 | ljp | a mutt |
| 01:59.26 | George- | oh bloody hell.. |
| 01:59.33 | doughecka | George-: hes a mutt |
| 01:59.39 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:59.44 | George- | what the bloody hell is a "mutt" |
| 01:59.52 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:59.56 | doughecka | ~dict mutt |
| 02:00.04 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.08 | ljp | scottish, irish, english, german, dutch |
| 02:00.09 | doughecka | HAHAHA |
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| 02:00.19 | chouimat | ljp: huh? |
| 02:00.28 | ljp | thats me |
| 02:00.33 | ljp | my ancestors |
| 02:00.44 | doughecka | no dutch in me though |
| 02:01.04 | doughecka | I like food, so I know its at least german |
| 02:01.08 | George- | I'm half taiwanese half british |
| 02:01.18 | doughecka | no beer though |
| 02:01.24 | doughecka | George-: cool |
| 02:01.28 | ljp | ya, but you live in limeland |
| 02:01.59 | George- | ljp: I'm british and I'm PROUD OF IT |
| 02:01.59 | George- | :) |
| 02:01.59 | doughecka | wheres grommet? |
| 02:01.59 | ljp | limey |
| 02:02.10 | George- | why do the americans seem to think we say "bloody" all the time? |
| 02:02.22 | bobcat | Fuck! a load of 16 while compiling gimp!!!!! |
| 02:02.23 | doughecka | cuz you bloody do, thats bloody why |
| 02:02.30 | ljp | cause you bloddy say bloody all the time |
| 02:02.36 | doughecka | the moviez sayz so |
| 02:02.58 | ljp | no, listen an an english person talk |
| 02:03.00 | doughecka | "WHeres the bloody TANKS?" |
| 02:03.25 | George- | doughecka: for gods sake, if you're going to say bloody all the time, at least put it in the RIGHT PLACE IN THE BLOODY SENTENCE |
| 02:03.26 | bobcat | George- is a moron |
| 02:03.30 | ljp | "where's the bloody warm assed beer?" |
| 02:03.48 | George- | ljp: get the bloody hell out of my sight :) |
| 02:03.53 | doughecka | hahahah |
| 02:03.54 | bobcat | George- is a bloody moron! is that correct? |
| 02:04.07 | George- | doughecka: what's so bloody funny? |
| 02:04.09 | doughecka | bobcat: no, thats bloody not correct |
| 02:04.34 | doughecka | George-: hmm, back to MY problems and we will stop picking on you :) |
| 02:04.36 | ljp | where the heck did that saying come from anyway? |
| 02:04.44 | doughecka | ljp: who bloody cares |
| 02:04.50 | bobcat | doughecka: ok :) George- est un calice de cave |
| 02:04.59 | doughecka | hah |
| 02:05.08 | doughecka | hm |
| 02:05.11 | doughecka | ~x sp en est un calice de cave |
| 02:05.14 | doughecka | no |
| 02:05.21 | doughecka | ~x es en est un calice de cave |
| 02:05.23 | George- | doughecka: s/that's bloody not correct/that's bloody well incorrect/ |
| 02:05.33 | doughecka | George-: ooops, sorry :) |
| 02:05.37 | George- | doughecka: fool |
| 02:05.43 | George- | :) |
| 02:05.46 | bobcat | ~x fr en est un calice de cave |
| 02:05.58 | George- | If you're going to do impersonations of me, do it the way I'd say it, you bloody idiot |
| 02:05.59 | bobcat | lol |
| 02:06.06 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:06.13 | doughecka | oh |
| 02:06.17 | doughecka | its french |
| 02:06.21 | doughecka | no spanish |
| 02:06.37 | bobcat | doughecka: don't insult me |
| 02:06.47 | doughecka | oh cool, a sharp I/O port cover |
| 02:06.53 | doughecka | bobcat: :) |
| 02:07.05 | doughecka | oh, canadian, sorry |
| 02:07.07 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:07.28 | doughecka | eh? |
| 02:07.32 | ljp | take off, eh? |
| 02:07.42 | doughecka | ljp: hah, beat ya to it |
| 02:08.16 | doughecka | If you would like to see our developers create a software application to meet your needs or if you would like to see a new hardware device to enhance the Zaurus, please fill in the requests form and we'll reach out to our developers in attempt to have your request fulfilled. |
| 02:08.20 | doughecka | does that work? |
| 02:08.43 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:08.47 | ljp | paypal works better] |
| 02:08.57 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:09.13 | doughecka | I want software that gives me the answer |
| 02:09.31 | ljp | 42 |
| 02:09.41 | George- | FORTY-TWO |
| 02:09.41 | kergoth`tv | echo '#!/bin/sh' > software; echo 'the answer is 42' >> software; chmod +x software |
| 02:09.51 | George- | kergoth`tv: hehe :) |
| 02:09.55 | doughecka | whats the question? |
| 02:10.01 | doughecka | kergoth`tv: lol |
| 02:10.34 | kergoth`tv | s/echo 'the/echo echo 'the/; actually |
| 02:10.39 | George- | echo '#!/bin/sh' > software; echo 'kergoth is an asshole and he has 42 anal probes' >> software; chmod +x software |
| 02:10.40 | bobcat | hey kergoth`tv |
| 02:10.56 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:11.23 | kergoth`tv | George-: he didnt ask for software that would give him george's dilusional fantasies.. |
| 02:11.24 | ljp | I think george just asked for a kick ban |
| 02:11.24 | bobcat | can someone ban George- please |
| 02:11.28 | kergoth`tv | George-: he asked for software thatd give him the answer |
| 02:11.31 | kergoth`tv | George-: :P |
| 02:11.41 | George- | kergoth`tv: you evil sod! :) |
| 02:11.41 | mutexer | warmi: you here? |
| 02:11.43 | doughecka | haha |
| 02:12.00 | bobcat | kergoth`tv: can you fix George- problem please :) |
| 02:12.02 | rusty^_^ | ey ppl |
| 02:12.10 | warmi | mutexer yeah. I am here |
| 02:12.17 | rusty^_^ | anybody has the ipk of opera that works with oz? |
| 02:12.34 | George- | man, usbnet totally rocks |
| 02:12.51 | doughecka | hm |
| 02:12.51 | mutexer | warmi: you ever get a chanve to try it out? I need a second optinion about the speed of the main character |
| 02:13.02 | warmi | mutexer : I just tried your game ... hehe , very fast game :-) I have to get used to speed of the main character |
| 02:13.04 | doughecka | what are those pad right by the battery? |
| 02:13.15 | mutexer | warmi: you think it could use slowing down? |
| 02:13.17 | warmi | yeah .... precisely .. the main character seems a bit too fast |
| 02:13.29 | doughecka | if you open them up, there is a few pads lined up |
| 02:13.33 | mutexer | Ive got another build on my PC with him slower |
| 02:13.34 | bobcat | tabarnack! |
| 02:13.39 | warmi | I have bit of a hard time trying to jump over the bad guys |
| 02:13.41 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:13.41 | mutexer | IM thinking about updating with |
| 02:13.54 | mutexer | also made the jumping a little floatier |
| 02:14.03 | doughecka | what game? |
| 02:14.11 | mutexer | I just played mario bros.. after playing my game for so long mario is SLOW |
| 02:14.12 | mutexer | :) |
| 02:14.14 | warmi | I would slow it down a bit cause the bad guys are quite slow so it won't affect user ability to escape them |
| 02:14.31 | mutexer | doughecka: http://www.discordstudios.com/jack |
| 02:14.54 | doughecka | aww, none for winders? |
| 02:15.01 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:15.03 | mutexer | will be |
| 02:15.05 | mutexer | noyt yet |
| 02:15.12 | doughecka | cool |
| 02:15.16 | warmi | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=3B6216BFD16AXF5E92C3A69BCE5B2871&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=65716 |
| 02:15.24 | warmi | that's the real link to the game :-) |
| 02:15.34 | doughecka | hah! |
| 02:15.37 | doughecka | for 14 bucks? |
| 02:15.43 | warmi | btw mutexer I didn't know you released it under GPL |
| 02:15.57 | mutexer | yeah stupid qtopia license |
| 02:16.08 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:16.24 | George- | warmi: who's game is that? |
| 02:16.24 | mutexer | the game may not make 200 bucks on the Zaurus..I sure am not paying 200 for a license |
| 02:16.30 | mutexer | mine |
| 02:16.45 | George- | mutexer: I have a free commercial license ;) |
| 02:16.59 | mutexer | that doesnt do me any good :) |
| 02:17.01 | ljp | that he doesnt use |
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| 02:17.06 | George- | ljp: hah |
| 02:17.18 | George- | ljp: The contest sdk *was* commercial use, right? |
| 02:17.23 | warmi | yeah |
| 02:17.27 | George- | good :) |
| 02:17.28 | mutexer | the source released with it isnt cleaned up.. I released it as is |
| 02:18.01 | George- | if I ever get into serious Z development when I'm a bit better at C++, I may consider buying a real license |
| 02:18.19 | warmi | George- this is a real license |
| 02:18.32 | George- | warmi: yah, but I didn't pay anything :) |
| 02:18.39 | George- | lol |
| 02:18.41 | mutexer | Microsoft doesnt even charge for developing for the PPC... you get a Visual C++ like environment to code in |
| 02:18.51 | doughecka | This unit powers up, and was not tested any further. It powers up to the sharp screen and does not go any further. It does not power down. It should be repaired or used for parts. |
| 02:18.51 | George- | mutexer: that's because they want a monopoly on pocket pcs |
| 02:18.56 | George- | mutexer: that's the ONLY reason |
| 02:19.08 | mutexer | yeah.. but Im still suprise they charge nothing |
| 02:19.13 | George- | not really |
| 02:19.26 | George- | One of the few markets they don't have a grip on is the pda market |
| 02:19.31 | mutexer | warmi: got my dell working.. it looks great...havent messed with it much yet |
| 02:19.35 | warmi | mutexer I was quite surprised as well .. |
| 02:19.40 | George- | if they give away the SDK for nothing, they're boosting their chances of creating a monopoly |
| 02:19.55 | mutexer | its got an external speaker and mic which is cool |
| 02:19.58 | warmi | mutexer yeah ... axims are great deal considering their price |
| 02:20.09 | doughecka | hm |
| 02:20.13 | George- | warmi: considering the price of the 5500.. that's an awesome deal |
| 02:20.23 | doughecka | wheres the mic on here? |
| 02:20.30 | George- | warmi: the screen, keyboard, cpu, os etc are excellent |
| 02:20.32 | George- | :) |
| 02:20.42 | George- | (for 199 USD, anyway) |
| 02:20.46 | warmi | heh |
| 02:20.53 | mutexer | warmi: Im gonna roll up a test demo here in a bit.. would you want to test? |
| 02:20.56 | ljp | no mic, headphone/mic jack input |
| 02:21.00 | doughecka | oh |
| 02:21.04 | George- | imo, the Z is right up at the top with the iPaq in terms of quality |
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| 02:21.13 | doughecka | can I get both a mic AND headphones at the same time? |
| 02:21.20 | ljp | yes |
| 02:21.29 | doughecka | ah |
| 02:21.35 | George- | doughecka: yes, but you only get one channel on the speakers |
| 02:21.44 | doughecka | dats ok for phone work |
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| 02:21.53 | mutexer | I wish I could stream internet radio over it... radio stations here suck |
| 02:22.03 | doughecka | mutexer: you can |
| 02:22.06 | doughecka | cant you? |
| 02:22.13 | doughecka | Mplayer and some ethernet card |
| 02:22.17 | mutexer | I havent seen a modem adapter good enough |
| 02:22.19 | doughecka | wireless preferd :P |
| 02:22.23 | doughecka | MODEM?!?! |
| 02:22.31 | mutexer | whats the ethernet card gonna access when your on the road? |
| 02:22.35 | ljp | opieplayer1 streams also |
| 02:22.39 | doughecka | ur laptop |
| 02:22.46 | warmi | mutexer yeah , sure |
| 02:22.51 | warmi | send it over |
| 02:22.52 | mutexer | IM talking on travel.. I can stream internet radio over my PC at hoe :) |
| 02:22.52 | doughecka | ur laptop accesses the net for ya :) |
| 02:22.53 | warmi | heh |
| 02:22.54 | mutexer | home |
| 02:22.59 | doughecka | mutexer: ah |
| 02:23.11 | mutexer | if I have a laptop with me and running why do I need to stream over the Zaurus? :) |
| 02:23.17 | doughecka | mutexer: go sniffing around and find a local hot spot |
| 02:23.20 | doughecka | mutexer: hmm |
| 02:23.25 | doughecka | l33tness |
| 02:23.27 | doughecka | :P |
| 02:23.53 | doughecka | brb |
| 02:24.00 | mutexer | "checked this guys streaming music on my PDA" "Yeah but your hooked through a laptop which gets netaccess from your PC" :P |
| 02:24.08 | George- | warmi: my boarding house at school is being fitted with wireless transmitters, I might get a wlan card for my Z then :) |
| 02:24.13 | George- | warmi: surf on my Z in bed ;) |
| 02:24.23 | mutexer | there are no wireless transmitters here in BFE |
| 02:24.42 | mutexer | a wireless card would do me no good unless I bought a wireless router for my PC |
| 02:25.02 | George- | I have a wireless router routing my ADSL across my house |
| 02:25.09 | George- | and my tibook has a 802.11b card |
| 02:25.11 | George- | :) |
| 02:26.18 | George- | http://www.myzaurus.com/acc_Serial4.asp |
| 02:26.19 | George- | I want that |
| 02:26.21 | George- | I WANT!!! |
| 02:26.25 | George- | I hate this damn cradle |
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| 02:27.14 | George- | whoa, that is so cool |
| 02:27.21 | George- | charges the Z from the USB bus :) |
| 02:27.29 | George- | can use the Z's keyboard... |
| 02:27.33 | George- | I soooo want that |
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| 02:28.29 | doughecka | oh? |
| 02:28.32 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:28.34 | sunyata | does anyone else Z crash like once a day while rebooting? |
| 02:28.41 | darmou | does anyone know how to fix a booting problem with the Z? |
| 02:28.47 | sunyata | meaning requires a hard reset? |
| 02:28.55 | doughecka | does anyone want to give me there Z? |
| 02:29.13 | doughecka | George-: hmm, charges off the USB? |
| 02:29.18 | George- | doughecka: yup |
| 02:29.22 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:29.33 | doughecka | usb only has like 500 ma |
| 02:29.37 | doughecka | I think |
| 02:29.40 | doughecka | no 2 amps |
| 02:29.44 | George- | http://www.serialio.com/products/adaptors/ZThinCableUSB.htm |
| 02:30.23 | doughecka | cool |
| 02:31.38 | doughecka | "My Zaurus came with a voucher to claim an Instant Power charging kit. It comes with a power cable and three power options: A USB adapter :Car cigarette lighter adapter Zinc air fuel cell " |
| 02:32.35 | doughecka | cool |
| 02:34.06 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:34.59 | George- | I'll actually probably redesign a Zaurus cradle at school |
| 02:35.08 | George- | which means ripping my current one apart |
| 02:35.13 | George- | measuring the PCB |
| 02:35.26 | doughecka | hah |
| 02:35.29 | George- | etc :) |
| 02:40.18 | George- | finished installing loads of shit ) |
| 02:40.19 | George- | :) |
| 02:40.38 | doughecka | ok...., now to see if I have 5 volts... |
| 02:40.56 | doughecka | yup |
| 02:41.08 | doughecka | hrm |
| 02:41.12 | doughecka | its backwards |
| 02:42.12 | doughecka | WOO! |
| 02:42.20 | doughecka | its chargin off the USB |
| 02:42.57 | doughecka | the light stays on |
| 02:43.24 | mutexer | warmi: you here? |
| 02:43.57 | doughecka | bah |
| 02:43.57 | warmi | yeah |
| 02:43.58 | doughecka | no lights |
| 02:44.40 | doughecka | hm |
| 02:44.42 | doughecka | it charges |
| 02:44.48 | doughecka | thats a good sign |
| 02:44.56 | doughecka | HAHAHA |
| 02:44.58 | doughecka | WOOOOOOOOOOOOo |
| 02:45.00 | doughecka | it BOOTS! |
| 02:45.03 | doughecka | WOOWOWOWOWO |
| 02:45.07 | mutexer | warmi: do you think the main character needs to slide when changing directions like mario did? |
| 02:45.29 | doughecka | wow |
| 02:45.30 | warmi | mutexer : I am not sure ... I never played mario :-) |
| 02:45.34 | doughecka | it boots! |
| 02:45.38 | mutexer | WHAT??!!?? |
| 02:45.50 | doughecka | I am booting my zaurus off the power off the usb connector |
| 02:45.51 | mutexer | you were deprived during the nintendo era? |
| 02:45.59 | warmi | hehe .. I am from Europe .. we had different games over there :-) |
| 02:46.05 | mutexer | ah |
| 02:46.08 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:46.15 | warmi | I never had nintendo .. I had ZX Spectrum :-) |
| 02:46.23 | doughecka | whats that? |
| 02:46.32 | warmi | old 8 bit computer from 80s |
| 02:46.49 | doughecka | ah |
| 02:46.50 | mutexer | did it come with ZX bros :) |
| 02:47.01 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:47.04 | warmi | hehe .. no |
| 02:47.18 | mutexer | or Spectrum fighter! |
| 02:47.52 | warmi | http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/computers/zxspectrum/zxspectrum.htm |
| 02:47.54 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:47.55 | doughecka | so |
| 02:47.57 | doughecka | now what |
| 02:48.05 | doughecka | it boots the the splash screen |
| 02:48.11 | doughecka | and the cursor |
| 02:48.14 | doughecka | is that good? |
| 02:48.19 | mutexer | that looks like a big keyboard |
| 02:48.33 | doughecka | mutexer: impressive aint it? |
| 02:48.34 | warmi | yeah, they looked like that back then |
| 02:48.38 | mutexer | heh |
| 02:49.47 | warmi | there is a ZX Spectrum emulator available for the Zaurus :-) |
| 02:49.53 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:52.37 | mutexer | heh |
| 02:52.45 | doughecka | bah |
| 02:52.47 | mutexer | was it text based? |
| 02:52.47 | doughecka | nothin |
| 02:52.58 | doughecka | dont even try flashing |
| 02:53.10 | doughecka | is there a delay when you push reset and the mail light comes on? |
| 02:53.31 | doughecka | when flashing? |
| 02:53.37 | mutexer | you broke the flashy thingy? |
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| 02:53.44 | doughecka | yah |
| 02:53.47 | doughecka | it boots thogh |
| 02:53.58 | doughecka | thats good |
| 02:54.54 | mutexer | you just buy it? |
| 02:55.13 | doughecka | yea, it was broke |
| 02:55.17 | doughecka | got it for 142 |
| 02:55.33 | cynTop | weren't they just on sale from HSN for like 160 new? |
| 02:55.38 | doughecka | sold out |
| 02:55.40 | cynTop | ah |
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| 02:59.23 | stmpynode | hello |
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| 03:38.24 | ivan | does hsn usually have extra items for the people that got shitty ones? |
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| 03:56.16 | jumpkick | anyone know an online retailer who sells Zaurus styli? |
| 03:56.43 | fliplap | i use an old PalmVx Pentopia one in mine |
| 03:56.57 | fliplap | it sticks out a bit but the stock Z stylus is too damn small |
| 03:58.26 | stmpynode | i'm using a pentopia stylus too |
| 03:59.12 | jumpkick | k, I gotta find a replacement... |
| 03:59.20 | jumpkick | dropped my Z in the bus... |
| 03:59.40 | jumpkick | the CF ejected out, I saw that, but didn't notice the Stylus take a hike too |
| 03:59.46 | jumpkick | :( |
| 04:01.24 | cynTop | doh! |
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| 04:05.15 | djr | i still want that carrying case for the Z |
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| 04:21.29 | stmpynode | i just released a neat little app to the zaurus world :) |
| 04:23.47 | ivan | can someone shake their zaurus left-to-right and tell me if they see any vertical lines? |
| 04:30.29 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 05:37.54 | Zxcvb | how good is divx quality with a bitrate of 200? |
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| 06:12.28 | nichos | when i try to run opieplayer2 i get this: error while loading shared libraries: libxine.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:12.37 | nichos | i installed the lib-xine package |
| 06:12.43 | nichos | this all went to my SD card |
| 06:19.10 | Zxcvb | mabye you have to install lib-xine to / |
| 06:19.37 | Zxcvb | or create symlinks yourself |
| 06:20.26 | nichos | Zxcvb hmmm |
| 06:20.37 | nichos | i just re-flashed mine, wonder why it didnt go this time |
| 06:20.43 | nichos | yeah, ire-isntalled libxien |
| 06:21.43 | nichos | shit, since i switched to unstable, now its just saying cannot open libxine, and i dont see it when using find |
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| 06:26.49 | nichos | hell, ive reflashed, once w/the 64, and the other w/the 58 |
| 06:36.49 | Zxcvb | can't wait until monday, when I get my new mem card |
| 06:37.07 | yeiazel | hehe |
| 06:37.15 | Zxcvb | then it's OZ 3.2 all the way |
| 06:38.23 | Zxcvb | is 64-0 really that much better than 58-6 if you are running opie and Xfree86 at the same time? |
| 06:39.08 | yeiazel | if you have a memory card dedicated to the system, I really don't get the utility of these 6 MB :) |
| 06:39.26 | Zxcvb | can everything, including all extra libraries, be installed to SD? |
| 06:39.39 | Zxcvb | 128MB should be enough for the system, right? |
| 06:39.51 | yeiazel | if it can't be installed to sd, it can't be installed to ram |
| 06:40.06 | yeiazel | I have a 256 MB SD for the system, and using 50 MB for the moment |
| 06:40.19 | yeiazel | with many games, konqi, and many other apps |
| 06:40.32 | yeiazel | I think 128 MB are enough :) |
| 06:40.55 | Zxcvb | do you have ultima> |
| 06:41.22 | yeiazel | ultima ? |
| 06:41.25 | Zxcvb | exult |
| 06:42.13 | yeiazel | didn't know that |
| 06:42.34 | Zxcvb | ultima 7 and serpent isle |
| 06:43.07 | Zxcvb | much harder on the Z |
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| 06:43.35 | yeiazel | :) |
| 06:44.38 | Zxcvb | divx bitrate of 200 sucks, even on the Z |
| 06:45.03 | jumpkick | I miss ultima 6, that was my favourite |
| 06:45.37 | Zxcvb | have you tried martian dreams or savage empire? |
| 06:45.51 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: do you have a linux or windows desktop/laptop? |
| 06:45.53 | yeiazel | the only "ultima" I've known is Ultima 3... |
| 06:46.10 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: or OS X? |
| 06:46.26 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: if so, dosbox.zophar.net |
| 06:46.35 | jumpkick | yeah... I tried martian dreams and savage empire for a little bit |
| 06:46.52 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: you will need to increase the frameskip, then "overclock" with f-12 or the sound will skip in ultima 6 |
| 06:46.53 | jumpkick | but didn't enjoy them enough to play them as much |
| 06:47.11 | jumpkick | it's hard to go back to such a small playing window now... |
| 06:47.16 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: I like how in ultima 6, you can drop stuff at the castle |
| 06:47.26 | jumpkick | 16 x 16 tiles or whatever it was |
| 06:47.34 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: the stuff will disappear in savage empire |
| 06:47.44 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: in ultima 6, I get the baloon right away |
| 06:48.06 | jumpkick | Zxcvb: I used to kill two gaurds with cannons in the town south of the starting one in U6 |
| 06:48.18 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: doesn't that lower your karma? |
| 06:48.23 | jumpkick | ahh.. the ballon |
| 06:48.27 | jumpkick | swweet |
| 06:48.31 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: in ultima 7, you get the carpet |
| 06:48.42 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: which has seperate seats for everyone, and is fairly large |
| 06:48.49 | jumpkick | karma: nah... cannon deaths are accidental I think :) |
| 06:48.50 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: so are ships, but ships are a pain with exult |
| 06:49.01 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: animate a magic armor, then clone it |
| 06:49.01 | jumpkick | the gaurds never get pissed about them anyway |
| 06:49.25 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: check your karma |
| 06:49.35 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: talk to iolo, spam, spam, spam, humbug |
| 06:49.39 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: edit party |
| 06:49.59 | jumpkick | yeah I remember that cheat too |
| 06:50.05 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: don't change anything |
| 06:50.17 | jumpkick | I used to have sherry |
| 06:50.19 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: though I did manage to bypass the protection by changing a NPC flag for british |
| 06:50.27 | jumpkick | and a purple-ghost-horse too |
| 06:50.44 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: changing that flag made british think he gave me the key to the castle |
| 06:50.53 | jumpkick | I remember the Q's |
| 06:50.54 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: so he gave me another as I "lost" it |
| 06:51.01 | jumpkick | I bought the game way back |
| 06:51.05 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: I hate manual checks |
| 06:51.07 | jumpkick | lol |
| 06:51.19 | jumpkick | yeah, but those q's are soo easy |
| 06:51.33 | jumpkick | I think fire is the answer to half of them |
| 06:51.37 | jumpkick | :) |
| 06:52.18 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: you only need the first 4 letters, too |
| 06:52.23 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: ultima 7 is nicer |
| 06:52.38 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: but it uses 32 bit real mode |
| 06:52.45 | jumpkick | I remember wanting U7, but not having a good enough computer for it |
| 06:52.50 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: which means no emm386/qemm, much less windows and os/2 |
| 06:53.03 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: you can find it on some abandonware sites |
| 06:53.09 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: you need exult, though |
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| 06:53.31 | jumpkick | yeah, I tried for a bit |
| 06:53.49 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: don't use ships in exult |
| 06:53.53 | jumpkick | I think I'd rather play U6 with a bigger play area... |
| 06:53.59 | jumpkick | what's up with the ships? |
| 06:54.10 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: I first take the jolly roger (golden aknh), and take it to the isle of fire |
| 06:54.24 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: park it on the south shore, and block the gangplank with a couple iron bars |
| 06:54.39 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: get two more ships, park them on the east and west, and block them |
| 06:54.44 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: then use the carpet |
| 06:54.54 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: the ships are hard to control in exult |
| 06:55.14 | jumpkick | what does that do? you running a blockade or something? |
| 06:55.25 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: ships in ultima 7 have cargo holds |
| 06:55.42 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: the isle of fire is my base, since the black sword can return you there free |
| 06:55.52 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: in serpent isle, I use the silver seed keep as a base |
| 06:56.54 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: in any game where you can drop stuff anywhere and get it later (ultima 6, ultima 7, ultima 8, ultima9, dungeon master 2, etc) I always pick a safe, easily accessable spot to act as a base |
| 06:57.00 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: then stockpile |
| 06:57.39 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: ultima 6 is the castle, ultima 7 is the isle of fire, ultima 8 is mythran's house, ultima 9 is british's castle, dungeon master 2 is the starting hall area |
| 06:58.01 | jumpkick | heh |
| 06:58.22 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: in ultima 8, I had a ton (literally) of healing potions and death disks (bombs) |
| 06:59.12 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: serpent isle (ultima 7 part 2) requires stockpiling, as all shopkeepers die about 3/4 of the way through |
| 06:59.22 | jumpkick | I used to carry everything I needed... poor Dupre used to carry a frigg'n skift around on his back... lol |
| 06:59.36 | jumpkick | oh |
| 06:59.59 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: yeah |
| 07:00.05 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: and shamino has the baloon |
| 07:00.48 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: I get the pirate's treasure first (don't bother with the map, just dig), then the baloon |
| 07:01.02 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: that's after cloning magic armor |
| 07:01.25 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: I don't even liberate a shrine until level 6 or 7 |
| 07:01.32 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: but I start at level 5 |
| 07:01.47 | jumpkick | I couldn't figure out how to level up for the longest time |
| 07:01.56 | jumpkick | matter of fact now I even forget how |
| 07:02.18 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: in ultima 4, be a druid, and get your character up to level 8 with full stats |
| 07:02.33 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: then transfer to ultima 6 at level 5 with 25 in all stats |
| 07:02.52 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: spirituality (all stats raised) for the avatar, and strength for anyone else |
| 07:03.22 | jumpkick | cool |
| 07:03.23 | Zxcvb | jumpkick: I like carpet bombing (pun intended) in ultima 7 |
| 07:03.27 | SillyZ | anyone in the .us intrested in a SL5500 ?? |
| 07:05.44 | chouimat | SillyZ: sorry I'm in .ca |
| 07:06.12 | SillyZ | hmm |
| 07:08.59 | sig | http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/div_bilder/109.html |
| 07:12.24 | chouimat | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030412&mode=classic |
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| 07:35.48 | jumpkick | ibot libc6 |
| 07:35.49 | | jumpkick: I give up, what is it? |
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| 08:37.24 | frankps | hi all |
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| 09:46.34 | Zxcvb | is anyone here up? |
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| 09:52.57 | noidd | yes |
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| 10:05.59 | mark | morning Twiun |
| 10:06.02 | Twiun | hey mark |
| 10:06.31 | mark | Twiun: hows life? |
| 10:06.44 | Twiun | mark: not bad... just about to go to bluewater with the ms |
| 10:06.57 | mark | oooh, fun :/ |
| 10:07.12 | Twiun | mark: oh and trying to find out if I can use a SBC (Single Board Computer) inside a normal, standard x86 PC? |
| 10:07.44 | mark | Twiun: don't ask me :) |
| 10:08.00 | Twiun | mark: how about yourself? doing anything today? |
| 10:08.10 | mark | more revision :( |
| 10:09.19 | Twiun | lol |
| 10:09.28 | Twiun | I'm actually thinking of going back to uni |
| 10:09.33 | Zxcvb | don't forget your Z |
| 10:09.51 | Twiun | mark: but courses are really expensive |
| 10:09.55 | mark | Twiun: oh really? to read? |
| 10:10.13 | Twiun | mark: CS OpenUniversity *modules* are £500 to £700 |
| 10:10.16 | Twiun | mark: each |
| 10:10.36 | Twiun | mark: yeah... and at six modules a year... |
| 10:10.36 | mark | ouch |
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| 11:27.07 | rusty^_^ | hi ppl |
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| 11:40.08 | Zxcvb | hi |
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| 11:44.02 | Zxcvb | is OZ 3.2 ready for general use? |
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| 12:00.35 | leffe | how do i lock the Fn key... |
| 12:05.15 | rusty^_^ | you can't |
| 12:05.26 | rusty^_^ | why do u want to lock this key |
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| 12:52.51 | doughecka | hrm |
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| 13:13.18 | leffe | is it possible to run openzaurus on a 5600 ? |
| 13:13.48 | doughecka | ~seen timriker |
| 13:13.48 | | timriker <~timr@c-67-163-110-34.client.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 6h 45s ago, saying: 'well. headed to bed. enigmail is cool for those like me that use mozilla mail. nite all.'. |
| 13:13.51 | doughecka | dunno |
| 13:15.28 | leffe | hmmm.... |
| 13:15.34 | doughecka | bah |
| 13:15.40 | doughecka | thing wont flash |
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| 13:33.50 | doughecka | hmm |
| 13:34.00 | doughecka | anyone know how hard it is to swap the LCD screens? |
| 13:36.09 | rusty^_^ | whats the meaning of 'swap' ? |
| 13:36.18 | rusty^_^ | sorry my english isn't very good |
| 13:36.20 | rusty^_^ | :-( |
| 13:36.24 | doughecka | hmm |
| 13:36.25 | doughecka | replace |
| 13:36.28 | rusty^_^ | ok |
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| 13:36.35 | rusty^_^ | i don't know :-) |
| 13:36.41 | doughecka | hm |
| 13:37.19 | doughecka | ~country .es |
| 13:37.20 | | country .es is probably spain |
| 13:37.23 | doughecka | ah |
| 13:37.31 | doughecka | ~x en es swap |
| 13:37.38 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:37.45 | yeiazel | :) |
| 13:38.00 | doughecka | yeiazel: do you know how hard it would be to swap the lcd screens? |
| 13:38.11 | yeiazel | dunno |
| 13:38.16 | doughecka | ble |
| 13:38.17 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:38.18 | yeiazel | I don't think it would be easy at all |
| 13:38.25 | doughecka | oh |
| 13:38.51 | yeiazel | I haven't been able to open my Z |
| 13:38.58 | yeiazel | maybe some hiddent screws... |
| 13:39.02 | yeiazel | -t |
| 13:39.02 | doughecka | oh? |
| 13:40.58 | George- | *yawn* |
| 13:41.19 | doughecka | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15030&item=3018290445&rd=1 |
| 13:41.27 | doughecka | :) thats a good deal |
| 13:43.07 | doughecka | or I cant flash this thing because its a bad CF card |
| 13:43.15 | George- | doughecka: hrmm |
| 13:43.38 | doughecka | sagatek CF card... |
| 13:43.40 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:43.42 | mark | how do I get a full screen referesh in vim? |
| 13:43.43 | George- | doughecka: I have 2x5000D, 1x160MB CF, 1x64MB CF, 1x32MB CF, 1x64MB MMC, 1x128MB SD, 2xcradle, 2xpowersupply :) |
| 13:43.58 | doughecka | wow |
| 13:43.59 | George- | mark: no idea |
| 13:44.06 | doughecka | gimme one of those 5000d |
| 13:44.08 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:44.12 | doughecka | puuuleeeez |
| 13:44.15 | George- | doughecka: one 5000D is in a terrible condition |
| 13:44.16 | mark | George-: then don't reply |
| 13:44.22 | doughecka | George-: how bad? |
| 13:44.23 | George- | doughecka: and the other is miiinnneee ;) |
| 13:44.35 | doughecka | like how terrible? |
| 13:44.41 | doughecka | cracked screen? |
| 13:44.41 | George- | doughecka: well, it's all flimsy after being taken apart a lot |
| 13:44.46 | doughecka | oh. |
| 13:44.52 | George- | doughecka: no, h/w is working perfectly |
| 13:44.53 | doughecka | does it WORK? |
| 13:45.00 | George- | doughecka: there's a small scratch on the screen too |
| 13:45.11 | doughecka | hrm |
| 13:45.32 | doughecka | whats in a zaurus? |
| 13:45.35 | George- | doughecka: and the 160MB CF I got 2nd hand for £75 about 4 years ago |
| 13:45.42 | doughecka | ah |
| 13:45.54 | George- | doughecka: uhm, lots of solder? :) |
| 13:46.11 | doughecka | is the flash-rom replacable? |
| 13:46.14 | George- | no |
| 13:46.18 | George- | nothing is replacably |
| 13:46.19 | doughecka | hm |
| 13:46.22 | doughecka | hows the LCD hooked up? |
| 13:46.24 | George- | s/replacably/replaceable/ |
| 13:46.35 | George- | doughecka: the LCD is soldered onto the motherboard |
| 13:46.38 | doughecka | ouch |
| 13:46.46 | doughecka | so much for that plan |
| 13:46.49 | doughecka | :( |
| 13:46.49 | George- | doughecka: that's non-replacable too |
| 13:47.11 | George- | doughecka: and the LCD is a sealed unit, so you can't take it apart to replace the top glass or whatever |
| 13:47.26 | doughecka | drats |
| 13:47.44 | doughecka | oooh, a 5000d for <100 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15030&item=3016745868&rd=1 |
| 13:47.59 | doughecka | then I could resell this zaurus and get ma money back |
| 13:48.23 | George- | doughecka: oh great, and get your customer bitching at you because it doesn't work? |
| 13:48.31 | doughecka | well |
| 13:48.37 | doughecka | I could say it dont work |
| 13:48.42 | doughecka | even post photos of it |
| 13:48.46 | doughecka | say thats all I know |
| 13:48.48 | doughecka | . |
| 13:48.50 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:48.55 | George- | oh, and get like, $50 for it :) |
| 13:49.00 | doughecka | AS-IS, no returns, no complaining |
| 13:49.38 | George- | that first 5000D I bought for $300 on ebay a year ago :( |
| 13:49.53 | George- | It was a good deal as well... they were all going at like, $500 |
| 13:49.57 | doughecka | the other guy that was bidding bid 142 bucks |
| 13:50.03 | doughecka | and I bid over him |
| 13:50.41 | George- | I really really want that usb cable |
| 13:50.49 | George- | charge from the usb bus and use keyboard... *drool* |
| 13:51.23 | George- | doughecka: if I were you, I'd send it in to sharp for them to repair it |
| 13:51.29 | George- | doughecka: I doubt it'll cost much |
| 13:51.30 | doughecka | I emailed them |
| 13:51.48 | doughecka | well |
| 13:51.50 | George- | doughecka: Psion used to repair my Psion's for a nominal charge of £100, and that was years ago |
| 13:51.59 | doughecka | I charge my Z from the USB cable now |
| 13:52.02 | doughecka | :P |
| 13:52.21 | doughecka | rigged up |
| 13:52.46 | doughecka | hm |
| 13:56.31 | nichos | is there a minimum requirement for space for opieplayer? i flashed my Z again, and tried the 64/0, and the 58/8 images, and i cant get mplayer to work anymore - ive been installing everything to my SD card |
| 14:06.09 | doughecka | still $87 |
| 14:07.01 | George- | doughecka: they aren't going to reply on a saturday |
| 14:07.14 | doughecka | oh |
| 14:07.15 | doughecka | right |
| 14:07.16 | George- | doughecka: you could always try contacting Spencer |
| 14:07.22 | George- | spencer@zaurus.com |
| 14:07.22 | doughecka | spencer? |
| 14:07.27 | George- | yah, Spencer Huang |
| 14:07.53 | doughecka | what should I ask about, shipping to sharp and having it reflashed? |
| 14:07.58 | George- | doughecka: yeh |
| 14:08.02 | George- | unbricked :) |
| 14:08.10 | doughecka | ah |
| 14:08.35 | George- | "I BRICKED MY Z!!!! OH MY FUCKING GOD?!?!? WHAT DO I DO?!?!? Yours Sincerely, Foo Bar" |
| 14:08.38 | George- | :) |
| 14:08.55 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:09.03 | George- | :) |
| 14:09.17 | doughecka | hm |
| 14:09.22 | doughecka | well |
| 14:09.25 | doughecka | I DID get it to boot |
| 14:09.41 | doughecka | to teh logo and and cursor |
| 14:09.47 | doughecka | maybe its a bad CF card |
| 14:12.03 | doughecka | how long do warrantys last? |
| 14:15.49 | doughecka | ooh, 112 bucks now |
| 14:16.55 | George- | doughecka: depends what the warranty is for |
| 14:17.32 | doughecka | zaurus |
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| 14:18.00 | George- | doughecka: 12 months |
| 14:18.17 | doughecka | hrm |
| 14:18.24 | doughecka | how old are zaurus 5500's? |
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| 14:18.31 | doughecka | hey |
| 14:19.14 | George- | yo ljp_ |
| 14:19.16 | doughecka | ljp_: I got my zaurus to charge off the usb power, and I got it to boot to a splash screen and a cursor |
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| 14:20.11 | ljp_ | ahhh.. ok. good |
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| 14:32.17 | doughecka | email sent.. |
| 14:32.19 | doughecka | no reply |
| 14:32.20 | doughecka | hm |
| 14:32.29 | doughecka | where is he located? japan? |
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| 14:38.01 | SuKoShi | plom |
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| 14:45.29 | George- | doughecka: Spencer? |
| 14:45.43 | doughecka | yah |
| 14:46.14 | George- | doughecka: USA |
| 14:46.38 | doughecka | oh |
| 14:47.43 | doughecka | I think its a bad CF card |
| 14:47.58 | ljp_ | could be. |
| 14:48.06 | doughecka | I hope it is :) |
| 14:48.19 | ljp_ | I have a kingston 32mb I use for flashing |
| 14:48.34 | doughecka | I have a sagatek |
| 14:48.36 | doughecka | 32 mb |
| 14:48.42 | doughecka | got it for 12 bucks |
| 14:49.02 | George- | I have a SanDisk |
| 14:49.05 | George- | 160MB |
| 14:49.09 | doughecka | hah |
| 14:49.11 | doughecka | hm |
| 14:50.12 | doughecka | hmm, 15 bucks |
| 14:50.35 | doughecka | for a sandisk 32 meg one |
| 14:50.48 | George- | I have a SanDisk 32MB here |
| 14:50.56 | SuKoShi | I still can't compile OpenZaurus :( |
| 14:50.56 | George- | SanDisk has always worked for me |
| 14:50.56 | doughecka | works for flashing? |
| 14:51.02 | doughecka | cool |
| 14:51.03 | George- | doughecka: I use my 160 for flashing |
| 14:51.09 | SuKoShi | i use Hitachi |
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| 14:51.24 | doughecka | ah, well, what happens when you try flashing without a card in it? |
| 14:51.30 | doughecka | what do the LEDs do? |
| 14:51.32 | SuKoShi | hi Angus |
| 14:51.41 | doughecka | all go dark, flash, or just no change? |
| 14:52.24 | George- | doughecka: charging LED goes out, then comes back on again |
| 14:52.36 | doughecka | hm |
| 14:52.56 | doughecka | what about if there is a emtpy card in it? same thing? |
| 14:53.05 | doughecka | mine does that |
| 14:53.23 | doughecka | ooh |
| 14:53.26 | doughecka | breakfast |
| 14:53.28 | doughecka | bbl |
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| 14:59.52 | George- | WOOT |
| 14:59.58 | George- | AQPkg isn't creating symlinks :( |
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| 15:10.53 | George- | fucking OZ. |
| 15:11.14 | doughecka | give it to me and buy a palm |
| 15:11.20 | doughecka | if you dont like it |
| 15:11.27 | George- | sod off |
| 15:11.30 | George- | :) |
| 15:11.47 | doughecka | I bloody will do what I want :) |
| 15:11.58 | George- | ARGH |
| 15:12.04 | doughecka | :D |
| 15:12.05 | George- | "I will bloody well do what I like" |
| 15:12.12 | doughecka | ah |
| 15:12.39 | doughecka | ah will do waht ah whant |
| 15:12.52 | ivan | argh i don't think HSN has replacements |
| 15:12.54 | ivan | just returns |
| 15:13.05 | doughecka | bummer |
| 15:13.13 | doughecka | why do you want to replace it? |
| 15:13.21 | ivan | the screen sucks shit |
| 15:13.29 | ivan | vertical lines when i move it left-to-right |
| 15:13.30 | doughecka | huh |
| 15:13.34 | doughecka | ouch |
| 15:13.40 | doughecka | tell ya what... |
| 15:13.42 | George- | ivan: I have that too |
| 15:13.53 | George- | ivan: it's the refresh rate of the LCD |
| 15:13.53 | ivan | George-: oh crap i better just get a refund then |
| 15:14.01 | ivan | omg |
| 15:14.04 | ivan | well their LCD sucks |
| 15:14.12 | ivan | because it doesn't happen on my laptop LCD |
| 15:14.13 | George- | ivan: iirc - the refresh rate of the LCD is the frequency of the CPU / 2 |
| 15:14.15 | doughecka | I will send ya a nice zaurus with a non flashed OS, and you send me ur bad LCD :) |
| 15:14.21 | George- | ivan: if you're really that annoyed, overclock it ;) |
| 15:14.29 | doughecka | ooh, overclock it? |
| 15:14.40 | George- | doughecka: yah |
| 15:14.42 | doughecka | George-: so the LCD runs at 100hz? |
| 15:14.48 | George- | doughecka: I'm not sure |
| 15:14.51 | doughecka | thats better than my monitor |
| 15:14.53 | George- | doughecka: maybe it's / 4 :) |
| 15:14.57 | doughecka | oh |
| 15:14.59 | doughecka | thats worse |
| 15:15.11 | ivan | does that happen to anyone else? |
| 15:15.17 | George- | I'm personally not bothered |
| 15:15.17 | ivan | try to look at a solid light color |
| 15:15.21 | ivan | and shake it left and right |
| 15:15.21 | George- | It's a great screen IMHO |
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| 15:15.32 | George- | ivan: well stop masturbating whilst holding it then! |
| 15:15.33 | ivan | it's the most fucking shitty screen i've ever seen |
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| 15:15.50 | ivan | George-: no, very slight left and right movements cause the lines too |
| 15:16.09 | George- | ivan: well, if you're not pleased with it, don't bitch in here. No one here works at Sharp. |
| 15:16.27 | yeiazel | George-: u sure ? |
| 15:16.32 | doughecka | ivan: send it to me :P |
| 15:16.42 | George- | yeiazel: about what? |
| 15:16.56 | doughecka | no sharp employees |
| 15:17.01 | George- | yes |
| 15:17.12 | George- | Jason and Ben Meyer both left |
| 15:17.16 | George- | and Sniper doesn't come here anymore |
| 15:17.18 | doughecka | huh |
| 15:17.21 | doughecka | sniper eh? |
| 15:17.23 | doughecka | hm |
| 15:17.30 | ivan | is underclocking with Qoverclock a good idea? |
| 15:17.31 | George- | Sniper == Spencer |
| 15:17.37 | doughecka | cool |
| 15:17.43 | George- | ivan: uhm, it's not as if the Z is going to die |
| 15:18.15 | ivan | well does it work for anyone? |
| 15:18.31 | George- | ivan: worked here (5000D) |
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| 15:19.59 | doughecka | wheres buzz? |
| 15:20.12 | George- | buzz? |
| 15:20.32 | doughecka | buzz lightyear |
| 15:20.38 | doughecka | with woody |
| 15:21.14 | yeiazel | :) |
| 15:21.19 | George- | wtf has that got to do with anything? :) |
| 15:21.28 | yeiazel | George-: mrwoody's nick |
| 15:21.29 | George- | or "what the bloody motherfucking hell" |
| 15:21.29 | George- | ;) |
| 15:21.35 | yeiazel | George-: idiot |
| 15:21.38 | George- | yeiazel: hehe |
| 15:21.39 | doughecka | bugger all, I dunno |
| 15:21.53 | ljp_ | George-: this is a no cussing channel |
| 15:22.03 | George- | ljp_: tell that to kergoth:) |
| 15:22.09 | ljp_ | no |
| 15:22.13 | George- | hah |
| 15:22.13 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:22.16 | chouimat | yeiazel: tu viens juste de couverir ca :) |
| 15:22.20 | George- | ljp_: why not? :P |
| 15:22.31 | ljp_ | he's too busy |
| 15:22.37 | George- | tv? |
| 15:22.37 | yeiazel | chouimat: hahaha :) |
| 15:22.38 | George- | :) |
| 15:22.47 | chouimat | hi George- |
| 15:22.54 | chouimat | ljp_: hi |
| 15:22.59 | yeiazel | chouimat: c'est pas bien d'insulter les gens qui peuvent pas comprendre ;) |
| 15:23.17 | yeiazel | chouimat: même s'il est un peu débile sur les bords, quoi... |
| 15:23.34 | chouimat | yeiazel: de toute facon je suis dans ca liste d'ignore donc .... |
| 15:24.00 | yeiazel | chouimat: ah bon ? mouarf :) |
| 15:24.07 | George- | STOP TALKING IN FRENCH!!!! |
| 15:24.25 | doughecka | ~x fr en de toute facon je suis dans ca liste d'ignore donc .... |
| 15:24.32 | ljp_ | its now called Freedom language. :) |
| 15:24.34 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.42 | yeiazel | chouimat: bah non tu vois, t'y es pas |
| 15:24.45 | ivan | frua ja sands ca don' el' meh pe se |
| 15:24.46 | chouimat | yeiazel: he insult me and I the one that get ignored by him |
| 15:24.46 | yeiazel | chouimat: mais je crois qu'on l'énerve |
| 15:24.54 | ivan | fru la la fru fru fru |
| 15:24.59 | chouimat | yeiazel: hehe |
| 15:25.11 | chouimat | 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 |
| 15:25.13 | yeiazel | George-: we can't insult you in english, you would understand... |
| 15:25.21 | chouimat | lol |
| 15:26.15 | ivan | the french language has insults? |
| 15:26.33 | George- | ivan: doubt it :) |
| 15:26.35 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:26.35 | ljp_ | freedom! freedom language! |
| 15:26.47 | George- | ivan: well, the entire French language *is* an insult |
| 15:26.55 | doughecka | aww |
| 15:26.56 | ljp_ | freedom language! |
| 15:26.58 | doughecka | that was cheap |
| 15:27.06 | yeiazel | George-: as you are |
| 15:27.15 | George- | yeiazel: I'm an insult to humanity ;) |
| 15:27.19 | ljp_ | they changed french fries to freedom fries, why not change french language to freedom language? |
| 15:27.33 | yeiazel | french IS the freedom language |
| 15:27.37 | chouimat | even if I don't like french I won't let a subhuman like George- insult it |
| 15:27.41 | chouimat | ljp_: http://buildtool.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:27.43 | George- | noooo |
| 15:27.47 | George- | Classical Greek!!! |
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| 15:28.30 | doughecka | is french free? how abot GPLed? |
| 15:28.54 | doughecka | ~x fr en plus-que-parfait du subjonctif |
| 15:28.58 | George- | RMS vs ESR :) |
| 15:29.18 | ljp_ | chouimat: interesting. tried that yet? |
| 15:29.28 | chouimat | ljp_: nope |
| 15:32.07 | chouimat | ljp_: but seems very interesting maybe we can show this to kergoth`tv |
| 15:32.22 | ivan | i wish i knew wether to get a replacement or return |
| 15:32.27 | ivan | i don't know if all screens are bad |
| 15:32.41 | ivan | maybe i should call Bill Kendrick, he has a zaurus and lives in Davis |
| 15:33.24 | doughecka | bug sharp |
| 15:33.43 | ivan | doughecka: yeah i'm going to right now |
| 15:34.07 | ivan | do i have to pay them $200 just to listen to me? |
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| 15:35.46 | ivan | i'm afraid all of you that said you have no problems are just blind |
| 15:36.54 | oGMo | ... |
| 15:36.55 | oGMo | heh |
| 15:36.59 | chouimat | huh? |
| 15:37.02 | mark | chouimat: lart George- |
| 15:37.12 | George- | mark: I have chouimat on ignore |
| 15:37.41 | chouimat | mark: and he's missing a very good conversation but since George- is twit |
| 15:37.58 | mark | chouimat: yes, George- is indeed a twit |
| 15:38.27 | chouimat | mark: I had better coonversation with my cat than him |
| 15:39.11 | mark | chouimat: yeh, i've found that cats are better sources of conversation that George- too |
| 15:39.22 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.27 | George- | Aren't I sooo kind? :) |
| 15:39.28 | chouimat | lol |
| 15:39.40 | ivan | George-: you only need one asterisk |
| 15:39.52 | George- | ivan: I have a habit of putting 3 :) |
| 15:40.16 | chouimat | I just hope someday he would put himself on ignore |
| 15:40.21 | chouimat | by mistakke |
| 15:40.44 | ivan | won't help the message would still get through |
| 15:41.05 | George- | wth are you talking about |
| 15:41.10 | chouimat | Ii fixed that in oe ... :) |
| 15:41.19 | George- | it doesn't matter how many asterisks you put. |
| 15:41.42 | ivan | can you read? |
| 15:41.52 | mark | chouimat: yeah, that'd be good :) |
| 15:41.56 | ivan | or does irc use festival to play it back to you? |
| 15:42.01 | ivan | i said you only NEED one asterisk |
| 15:42.07 | George- | <ivan> won't help the message would still get through |
| 15:42.15 | chouimat | ivan: caution he will ignore you |
| 15:42.21 | ivan | chouimat: i hope he does |
| 15:43.12 | *** join/#zaurus phoen][x (phoenix@pD9564FA4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:43.48 | George- | heya phoen][x |
| 15:44.39 | phoen][x | George-: that was a nice read |
| 15:45.19 | chouimat | ibot ban George- |
| 15:45.19 | | chouimat: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 15:45.23 | George- | phoen][x: :) |
| 15:46.09 | chouimat | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030412&mode=classic |
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| 15:49.14 | OctaneZ | anyone syncing a zaurus under linux? |
| 15:49.40 | ivan | RTFF, RTFM, RTFDS |
| 15:49.56 | ivan | STFW too |
| 15:50.03 | chouimat | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1001 |
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| 15:51.53 | George- | OctaneZ: what's the problem? |
| 15:52.25 | doughecka | hum |
| 15:52.51 | OctaneZ | George-: trying to sync it under qtopiaDesktop, but can't find a way |
| 15:53.04 | George- | OctaneZ: dunno about Qtopia desktop |
| 15:53.09 | George- | OctaneZ: have you read the FAQs? |
| 15:53.14 | doughecka | ~faq |
| 15:53.15 | | from memory, faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ |
| 15:53.16 | OctaneZ | I can see the doc in usb-view, and installed QtopiaDesktop |
| 15:53.17 | OctaneZ | yes I have |
| 15:54.06 | doughecka | my Z doesnt have the lines when I shake it |
| 15:54.16 | doughecka | but then, it doesnt fully boot up |
| 15:54.52 | George- | doughecka: fool :) |
| 15:55.03 | doughecka | fool or cool? |
| 15:55.08 | George- | fool |
| 15:55.11 | doughecka | ah |
| 15:55.11 | doughecka | why? |
| 15:55.12 | doughecka | :) |
| 15:55.19 | George- | doughecka: btw - I only really noticed it on the Sharp ROM, to come to think of it |
| 15:55.28 | doughecka | oh? |
| 15:55.39 | doughecka | thats... odd |
| 15:55.59 | doughecka | hm |
| 15:56.15 | doughecka | why do somecards work with flashing and some dont? |
| 15:56.19 | doughecka | whats the diference? |
| 15:56.25 | doughecka | its just a file |
| 15:57.24 | George- | Because, some CF cards don't like to work in some h/w |
| 15:57.26 | doughecka | does the battery switch have to be to replace battery to flash? |
| 15:57.28 | George- | to put it bluntly |
| 15:57.31 | doughecka | hm |
| 15:57.43 | doughecka | thats really annoying |
| 15:58.11 | SuKoShi | any C700 owners here? |
| 15:58.15 | yeiazel | you are :) |
| 15:58.26 | doughecka | WHO IS?!!!?! |
| 15:58.27 | doughecka | :P |
| 15:58.30 | SuKoShi | yes, but i seek others |
| 15:58.39 | yeiazel | SuKoShi: you're the only one |
| 15:58.47 | SuKoShi | mouarf |
| 15:58.53 | SuKoShi | there can be only one ;) |
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| 15:59.10 | SuKoShi | i need to contact Dynamism then... |
| 15:59.11 | doughecka | cynTop does I think |
| 15:59.18 | doughecka | not sure |
| 15:59.21 | doughecka | ~seen cynTop |
| 15:59.21 | | cyntop is currently on #zaurus (22h 10m 10s) #openzaurus (22h 10m 10s). Has said a total of 89 messages. Is idling for 11h 57m 57s |
| 15:59.25 | chouimat | http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php <--- I'm Apple DOS 3.1 :) |
| 15:59.30 | SuKoShi | k |
| 16:02.17 | cynTop | yeah but i'm headed out |
| 16:02.22 | cynTop | so ask it quick :) |
| 16:02.23 | doughecka | aw |
| 16:02.35 | cynTop | ill bb real late tonight est |
| 16:03.45 | doughecka | woo, I am an amiga OS! |
| 16:04.20 | kergoth | yo |
| 16:04.29 | SuKoShi | hello ! |
| 16:04.33 | doughecka | hey kergoth |
| 16:04.38 | SuKoShi | kergoth, i need to talk to you |
| 16:04.40 | SuKoShi | about the C700 |
| 16:04.43 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 16:04.45 | kergoth | what about it? |
| 16:04.53 | doughecka | I got my zaurus to show a splash screen and a flashing cursor |
| 16:04.55 | SuKoShi | did you remember, when i had my B500 |
| 16:05.04 | doughecka | and its charging off the usb plug |
| 16:05.06 | kergoth | yeah.. |
| 16:05.08 | SuKoShi | i also had a remote controller for the mediaplayer |
| 16:05.16 | SuKoShi | which never worked on the B500 |
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| 16:05.27 | kergoth | IR? |
| 16:05.29 | George- | heya kergoth |
| 16:05.34 | kergoth | hey george |
| 16:05.35 | SuKoShi | (now the remotecontroller is dead, thanks to my dog's teeths) |
| 16:05.45 | doughecka | bad dog |
| 16:05.53 | SuKoShi | i asked my friend who now owns my B500 to check out the NAND menu |
| 16:06.10 | SuKoShi | as i checked my C700's one |
| 16:06.21 | SuKoShi | and in the NAND menu, there is a REMOCON test |
| 16:06.33 | SuKoShi | that means that the C700 can handle this device. |
| 16:06.56 | doughecka | the ONLY way to flash a Z is through a CF card... right? |
| 16:07.07 | yeiazel | doughecka: with OZ, yes |
| 16:07.09 | yeiazel | for collie |
| 16:07.22 | doughecka | bah |
| 16:07.22 | SuKoShi | So, i wanted to know if hte device will be supported by OZ :) |
| 16:07.28 | kergoth | SuKoShi: heh |
| 16:07.39 | kergoth | SuKoShi: test images with opie have been on openzaurus.org for a few days now |
| 16:07.42 | kergoth | SuKoShi: for c700 |
| 16:07.46 | SuKoShi | yes i tried them |
| 16:07.58 | kergoth | but i'd need details on that remote controller to say |
| 16:08.07 | kergoth | what is is, IR? |
| 16:08.16 | SuKoShi | no no it is passthru connector |
| 16:08.18 | George- | bah, all these people with thousands of zauri |
| 16:08.19 | SuKoShi | like MD player |
| 16:08.24 | kergoth | passthru? |
| 16:08.32 | SuKoShi | you plug in the earphone jack, plug the earphone on it. |
| 16:08.36 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:08.42 | doughecka | George-: I am now accepting donations of zauri |
| 16:08.50 | SuKoShi | (maybe passthru is not the right word) |
| 16:08.52 | kergoth | theres code in the sharp 5500 audio drivers for remocon |
| 16:08.57 | kergoth | never knew what it was :) |
| 16:09.00 | doughecka | whats remocon |
| 16:09.02 | George- | doughecka: aren't we all? :) |
| 16:09.07 | SuKoShi | REMOte CONtroller |
| 16:09.12 | doughecka | George-: hm, but you HAVE one... |
| 16:09.22 | doughecka | SuKoShi: like the ipod remote? |
| 16:09.24 | kergoth | SuKoShi: well, we're using the same kernel base, we should be able to support it, just need to figure out how |
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| 16:09.31 | SuKoShi | doughecka: yes |
| 16:09.35 | doughecka | oh cool |
| 16:09.49 | SuKoShi | kergoth: i'll contact my friends in Japan, to see if they can send me one. |
| 16:10.03 | kergoth | Anyone here hav ea glibc 2.2.x box they can give me access to, to build a new set of toolchains? |
| 16:10.13 | yeiazel | SuKoShi: you have... *friends* ??? |
| 16:10.14 | doughecka | is there any special key commands when powering up the 5500 to do stuff? |
| 16:10.16 | kergoth | If i build them, then only people with glibc 2.3.x based boxes can use them :) |
| 16:10.27 | kergoth | doughecka: ? |
| 16:10.38 | doughecka | guess not |
| 16:10.39 | doughecka | :P |
| 16:10.55 | doughecka | I even reformatted my CF card |
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| 16:11.48 | doughecka | still wont flash |
| 16:11.56 | doughecka | the lights just go out |
| 16:12.21 | kergoth | ibot: seen pnix |
| 16:12.21 | | i haven't seen 'pnix', kergoth |
| 16:12.27 | kergoth | ibot: seen pnis |
| 16:12.27 | | pnis <~pnis@caracas-0891.adsl.interware.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 17h 58m 41s ago, saying: 'time to go, goodnight all'. |
| 16:12.30 | kergoth | SuKoShi: he's the one you want to talk to |
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| 16:12.46 | kergoth | SuKoShi: he wrote our new audio drivers for oz 3.2 on the 5500, so would know of the support in that code |
| 16:12.53 | SuKoShi | ok |
| 16:13.01 | SuKoShi | thanks |
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| 16:13.16 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:13.22 | doughecka | should I try an older OZ? |
| 16:13.29 | George- | zorian:/home/george/Work/Zaurus/HancomMobileOffice # rpm -q glibc |
| 16:13.29 | George- | glibc-2.2.4-77 |
| 16:13.43 | George- | kergoth: I would give you access to this box... BUT... it's a 450MHz k6-2 ;) |
| 16:13.56 | doughecka | wow |
| 16:13.57 | doughecka | speedy |
| 16:14.19 | kergoth | hrm |
| 16:14.33 | kergoth | anyone on glibc 2.2.x with a box that wont take me 3 days to build a couple toolchains on? |
| 16:14.36 | kergoth | :P |
| 16:14.49 | doughecka | whats glibc? |
| 16:14.50 | doughecka | :P |
| 16:14.50 | George- | kergoth: i'll check what my 2GHz athlon has |
| 16:15.06 | kergoth | ~lart doughecka |
| 16:15.21 | doughecka | would knoppix have it? |
| 16:15.42 | doughecka | I can reboot :P |
| 16:15.53 | George- | kergoth: my 2GHz athlon has 2.2.5 |
| 16:16.08 | chouimat | hmmmm ck4 was more responsible than ck5 .... |
| 16:16.41 | chouimat | http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz_all.html |
| 16:16.46 | George- | kergoth: want access to it? |
| 16:16.46 | George- | ;) |
| 16:16.54 | doughecka | ~convert 50000 R to dollars |
| 16:17.22 | George- | kergoth: uhh, actually, I can't give you access ;) |
| 16:17.37 | George- | kergoth: I'm sitting behind a firewall, can't be bothered to setup port forwarding or whatever |
| 16:17.54 | doughecka | zImage doesnt have a .bin after it? |
| 16:18.08 | doughecka | does initrd have a .bin? |
| 16:18.08 | George- | doughecka: no |
| 16:18.11 | George- | doughecka: yes |
| 16:18.13 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:18.56 | doughecka | bah |
| 16:18.58 | doughecka | nothin at all |
| 16:19.02 | doughecka | no lights |
| 16:19.07 | doughecka | no mail light |
| 16:20.27 | kergoth | chouimat: ck5 having issues? |
| 16:20.30 | kergoth | George-: bah |
| 16:20.37 | doughecka | bah humbug |
| 16:20.45 | George- | kergoth: do you know why HancomSheet seems to segfault if launched via the launcher, but if launched from the console it works? |
| 16:21.22 | kergoth | George-: dunno. put /opt/QtPalmtop/bin back into PATH in /etc/profile? |
| 16:21.36 | George- | kergoth: hrmm, it was taken out!??! |
| 16:21.50 | kergoth | unintentionally |
| 16:21.54 | kergoth | its fixed upstream, just not in the image |
| 16:22.28 | George- | kergoth: I'll see what I can do about the port forwarding |
| 16:22.54 | kergoth | ok, thanks |
| 16:23.07 | kergoth | chouimat: so whats up with ck5? i was about to build it |
| 16:23.09 | George- | kergoth: so long as you don't go thru all the files on the HDD |
| 16:23.12 | George- | kergoth: or I'll kill you |
| 16:23.41 | kergoth | heh, just need to login, grab my buildroot, and build two crosscompiler toolchains |
| 16:23.44 | kergoth | one gcc2, one gcc3 |
| 16:24.01 | George- | kergoth: grab your buildroot? |
| 16:24.08 | kergoth | yep. the oz buildsystem |
| 16:24.08 | George- | kergoth: with CVS? |
| 16:24.11 | kergoth | it bulids toolchains |
| 16:24.23 | George- | kergoth: note that, er, I'm only on 512 ADSL here... :) |
| 16:24.25 | kergoth | its bk, but i can snatch a tarball instead of installing bk |
| 16:25.27 | SuKoShi | George-: lucky guy.... ADSL128 here |
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| 16:26.55 | George- | SuKoShi: ahh, but you have like, 5 zauri |
| 16:27.06 | SuKoShi | LOL |
| 16:27.14 | SuKoShi | 1 now, i sold the B500 |
| 16:27.19 | doughecka | ~seen sniper |
| 16:27.19 | | sniper <~Sniper@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 42d 19h 58m 51s ago, saying: 'brb'. |
| 16:27.20 | SuKoShi | i'm like everyone else :) |
| 16:27.27 | George- | kergoth: bear with me, just sorting out my hancom stuff |
| 16:27.30 | George- | SuKoShi: I have 2 ;) |
| 16:27.32 | doughecka | he hasnt been back yet... |
| 16:27.32 | kergoth | not a problem |
| 16:27.33 | doughecka | sad.. |
| 16:27.50 | kergoth | no rush really, i'm building glibc 2.3 versions atm, and LARTing ipkg repeatedly |
| 16:27.52 | George- | kergoth: is a 2GHz Athlon w/512MB DDR PC2700 RAM enough? |
| 16:27.55 | kergoth | i cant even build fucking images right now |
| 16:27.59 | kergoth | because ipkg segfaults |
| 16:28.00 | kergoth | :\ |
| 16:28.05 | George- | :( |
| 16:28.21 | George- | kergoth: hancom sheet still segfaults |
| 16:28.27 | George- | ok, brb - booting up |
| 16:28.33 | kergoth | hm |
| 16:28.53 | doughecka | hm |
| 16:29.08 | doughecka | no network boot option in the Z? |
| 16:29.09 | doughecka | :P |
| 16:30.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:30.24 | doughecka | I dont have another CF card to try :( |
| 16:30.26 | George- | ssh = port 23 right? |
| 16:31.23 | kergoth | George-: 22 |
| 16:31.28 | chouimat | cross-3.2-oz-3.tar.bz2 |
| 16:31.29 | kergoth | George-: 23's telnet |
| 16:31.30 | George- | I was close ;) |
| 16:31.37 | chouimat | wow cross-3.2-oz-3.tar.bz2 is BIG |
| 16:31.44 | kergoth | chouimat: toolchains usually are |
| 16:31.57 | chouimat | kergoth: I know |
| 16:32.13 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 16:32.29 | George- | kergoth: what transport type is it? TCP? |
| 16:32.54 | chouimat | TCP |
| 16:32.57 | doughecka | yah |
| 16:33.26 | chouimat | ok ssomeone answer George- I'm still ignored by him |
| 16:33.27 | pHluid | Could anybody help me with ICS with WinXP and OZ 3.2? I've followed the FAQs to the letter but I'm unable to get out from the Zaurus still... :\ |
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| 16:33.47 | doughecka | TCP |
| 16:33.49 | doughecka | its TCP |
| 16:33.52 | doughecka | yah yah |
| 16:34.02 | pyromance | Hmm? |
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| 16:34.11 | tumble_Z | warmi ya here? |
| 16:34.16 | doughecka | warmi the worm |
| 16:34.28 | pyromance | warmi ate the worm |
| 16:34.30 | pyromance | warmi is hard core |
| 16:34.31 | doughecka | no, hes out back making holes in the ground |
| 16:34.44 | tumble_Z | tryin to figure out what they keys are for his gnuboy |
| 16:34.50 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:34.54 | tumble_Z | cant use the new "enhanced" one with hardware keys... they are different on the 5600 |
| 16:35.03 | doughecka | you have a 5600? |
| 16:35.09 | tumble_Z | yeah |
| 16:35.11 | doughecka | sweet |
| 16:35.13 | pyromance | Doesn't everyone? |
| 16:35.14 | George- | kergoth: ping |
| 16:35.15 | pyromance | heh.. 'cept me |
| 16:35.19 | doughecka | not me |
| 16:35.20 | kergoth | George-: pong |
| 16:35.22 | George- | I have a 5000D |
| 16:35.24 | doughecka | I dont even have a working Z |
| 16:35.26 | George- | kergoth: is ssh TCP? |
| 16:35.31 | pyromance | kergoth compiler of my kernel |
| 16:35.34 | kergoth | i have a 5500 and c700, though i dont own them |
| 16:35.36 | kergoth | George-: yep |
| 16:35.40 | George- | kergoth: ok |
| 16:35.49 | doughecka | tumble_Z: you own a 5500 before? |
| 16:35.52 | chouimat | kergoth: I answered that but he ignored me so ....... |
| 16:35.57 | tumble_Z | nope |
| 16:35.57 | pyromance | kergoth: don't own them? |
| 16:36.13 | doughecka | pyromance: stole them, of course :P |
| 16:36.14 | George- | brb - resetting adsl thing |
| 16:36.21 | pyromance | 25 more minutes to freedom from work ... |
| 16:36.32 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:36.43 | tumble_Z | crap its almost 1... gotta go... hopefully i can figure this gnuboy out |
| 16:36.44 | doughecka | whats those pads beside the battery? |
| 16:36.45 | pyromance | 25 more minutes and (unless the sysadmins foul up and have to call me in) I get freedom for three days. |
| 16:36.56 | doughecka | haha |
| 16:37.19 | doughecka | if you open the Z up, there is 8 pads next to the battery |
| 16:37.24 | doughecka | what are they? |
| 16:37.39 | pyromance | doughecka: Do you know where there are pics of a disassembled Z? I don't have the balls to dissect mine |
| 16:37.44 | kergoth | pyromance: opie.us |
| 16:37.51 | pHluid | Kernel IP routing table |
| 16:37.51 | pHluid | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 16:37.51 | pHluid | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usbd0 |
| 16:37.51 | pHluid | default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usbd0 |
| 16:37.57 | doughecka | pyromance: just open the battery door :) |
| 16:37.58 | pHluid | Is there anything wrong with that route table? |
| 16:38.03 | doughecka | not really open it up |
| 16:38.03 | kergoth | pyromance: the dev area has a shitload of files that are useful, including two images of the inside of a 5500 |
| 16:38.05 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:38.25 | kergoth | pHluid: looks fine _assuming_ your desktop is 192.168.0.1 on its usb interface |
| 16:38.38 | pyromance | kergoth: Unless it's a bad-ass shell script, I can't code my way out of a wet paper bag (hence never looked at the dev area) |
| 16:39.00 | pHluid | kergoth: It is... So I'm gonna have to assume the prob is on the desktop's side; but I can't figure out what I'm missing here... |
| 16:39.48 | pyromance | pHluid: Is it the Z's usb to dialup (or USB cable modem or whatever) and ICS? |
| 16:40.20 | pHluid | pyromance: USB over the cradle to an XP Pro box using ICS, out an ethernet -> cable modem connection |
| 16:40.43 | pyromance | If it's XP Pro, just bridge the two adapters and get your DHCP from your cable modem |
| 16:40.48 | pyromance | Does your cable modem do NAT? |
| 16:41.01 | pHluid | Done and done.... oh oh, think I found the source of the prob |
| 16:41.15 | pHluid | Bringing down my FW allowed traffic. :\ |
| 16:41.19 | pyromance | Heh... don't bridge and ICS at the same time ;) |
| 16:41.23 | pyromance | Hahahahaha |
| 16:41.26 | pyromance | that'd do it. |
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| 16:41.40 | pHluid | THought I had the FW config'd to allow it... but I guess not |
| 16:41.55 | doughecka | lol |
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| 16:42.09 | pyromance | When I first got my WiFi CF card, I almost through my Z through a window until I remembered I turned on MAC address filtering on my access point. |
| 16:42.10 | MacGyver | ...... |
| 16:42.18 | MacGyver | i want a sl-c700 case........ |
| 16:42.30 | MacGyver | who have c700 case ? |
| 16:42.32 | pHluid | :D |
| 16:42.45 | pyromance | I have a c700 case. It may be a bit big. |
| 16:42.50 | pHluid | Guess I'll just bring down the FW whenever I'm using the Z for the time being, till I can figure out how to allow it all |
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| 16:42.55 | [George] | bleh |
| 16:43.01 | pyromance | Actually it's just a ripped pair of cutoffs, but I am sure you can make it into a c700 case with some duct tape. |
| 16:43.18 | pyromance | pHluid: Well, what kind of firewall? Hardware? Software? |
| 16:43.27 | pHluid | Software |
| 16:43.34 | pHluid | I don't wanna talk about it, it's embarassing. |
| 16:43.35 | pHluid | :) |
| 16:43.45 | pyromance | Zone Alarm or something? XP's built-=in thing? |
| 16:43.50 | pyromance | Hahah... firewall envy |
| 16:43.54 | pHluid | *coughzonealarmcough* |
| 16:43.58 | doughecka | ewwww |
| 16:44.03 | pHluid | I had to sell my fbsd box ;[ |
| 16:44.05 | pHluid | Then I got lazy |
| 16:44.13 | pHluid | So yeh. I'm using ZoneAlarm. :) |
| 16:44.14 | George- | I have a h/w firewall |
| 16:44.23 | George- | and I'm trying to set it up to allow ssh access |
| 16:44.24 | George- | grmbl |
| 16:44.33 | pyromance | pHluid: Just lock down your boxes ;) |
| 16:44.42 | kergoth | :P |
| 16:44.49 | pHluid | Heh |
| 16:45.00 | pyromance | George-: Is it a NAT firewall? I've had mixed (un)success using NAT with SSH2 |
| 16:45.09 | pHluid | I had a Cyrix M2 PR200 box I was using as a fw/caching proxy for a long ass time |
| 16:45.16 | pHluid | But I got short on cash and sold it for $50 |
| 16:45.17 | pHluid | heh |
| 16:45.24 | chouimat | pyromance: I have no problem with nat and ssh |
| 16:45.47 | pyromance | chouimat: It's the way my destination boxes are configured. |
| 16:45.50 | George- | bleh |
| 16:45.55 | George- | I lost connectivity for a minute there |
| 16:46.20 | chouimat | George-: still on ignore?? bah! too bad I can't help you :) |
| 16:46.23 | pyromance | I work for a company that handles high-traffic, high-bandwith hacker-prone sites (read: porn) and we lock down a whole lot. |
| 16:46.26 | doughecka | I dont see the photos of the inside of the zaurus |
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| 16:46.38 | chouimat | pyromance: pervert |
| 16:46.43 | ratfinkle | hey |
| 16:46.44 | kergoth | doughecka: i told you, its in the dev area of opie.us |
| 16:46.51 | doughecka | oh |
| 16:46.54 | doughecka | not myzaurus? |
| 16:46.55 | doughecka | hrm |
| 16:46.56 | pyromance | Hey... I do the UNIX, not the porn |
| 16:47.02 | kergoth | who said myzaurus? |
| 16:47.14 | doughecka | dunno |
| 16:47.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:47.19 | ratfinkle | is there any good nes or other emulators that work well on the zaurus |
| 16:47.20 | pHluid | Hrm... well, allright, now that that problem is solved, guess I'll just put my Z away until my SD and CF cards come, heh. |
| 16:47.24 | kergoth | god ipkg sucks |
| 16:47.30 | kergoth | fucker's segfaulting again |
| 16:47.42 | pyromance | ratfinkle: Yeah... it has a decent linux emulator, but it's buggy ;) |
| 16:47.46 | pHluid | A 5000d flashed with 32/0 and no SD card is just about useless :) |
| 16:48.02 | George- | pHluid: not really ;) |
| 16:48.12 | ratfinkle | no nes or genesis though |
| 16:48.36 | ratfinkle | i have one nes but it is slow |
| 16:48.41 | ratfinkle | fceu |
| 16:48.47 | pHluid | George-: The whopping 1mb of writeable flash I have right now doesn't leave a lotta room to improve :) |
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| 16:49.04 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:49.18 | doughecka | so the LCD panel cannot be replaced |
| 16:49.50 | ratfinkle | so to compile programs for the zaurus i need a linux system |
| 16:50.00 | pyromance | ratfinkle: If you want to do it right |
| 16:50.09 | doughecka | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/sharpapart01.jpg looks like the LCD can be replaced |
| 16:50.12 | ratfinkle | ok thanks dude |
| 16:50.32 | pyromance | doughecka: It's just a ribbon cable and a wire, but buying one may be tricky ;) |
| 16:50.45 | doughecka | well |
| 16:50.58 | ratfinkle | alright im out |
| 16:51.04 | ratfinkle | thanks fellas |
| 16:51.08 | doughecka | I have a "broken" zaurus here, its flashed bad, but I can get a cracked Z for under $100 |
| 16:51.16 | doughecka | swap screens... |
| 16:51.31 | pyromance | doughecka: Which model? |
| 16:51.36 | kergoth | '/win 21 |
| 16:51.38 | kergoth | bleh |
| 16:51.38 | doughecka | 5500 |
| 16:51.48 | pyromance | Heh |
| 16:52.02 | doughecka | would the 5000d screen work too? |
| 16:52.05 | doughecka | brb |
| 16:52.30 | pyromance | Hmm ... I think the only serious difference is the memory |
| 16:53.50 | pyromance | But you can't flash anything on to your Z? |
| 16:54.06 | pHluid | Is there a way to view the package descriptions in apkg? Or am I missing something? |
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| 16:54.41 | doughecka | well |
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| 16:54.46 | doughecka | I think its my CF card |
| 16:55.11 | doughecka | one of those bad ones |
| 16:55.15 | pyromance | doughecka: Do you have a USB card reader sitting around anywhere? What kind of card? |
| 16:55.39 | George- | strange |
| 16:55.43 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:55.47 | George- | kergoth can ssh into my machine here, but I can't |
| 16:55.47 | George- | wtf |
| 16:55.48 | George- | lol |
| 16:55.52 | doughecka | usb reader, and a sagatek 32 meg card |
| 16:55.56 | doughecka | haha |
| 16:55.58 | pHluid | George-: owned. :) |
| 16:56.07 | doughecka | TURN IT OFF TURN IT OFF! |
| 16:56.09 | George- | pHluid: using the WAN ip, I mean |
| 16:56.17 | George- | pHluid: I can ssh in using my local LAN's ip |
| 16:56.25 | pyromance | haha |
| 16:56.34 | pHluid | Weird |
| 16:56.35 | doughecka | George-: I had problems accessing my own outside ip from inside the network |
| 16:56.39 | pyromance | doughecka What OS are you using on the other end of that USB card reader? |
| 16:56.46 | doughecka | XP |
| 16:56.54 | doughecka | I also tried reformatting it |
| 16:57.05 | pyromance | You make sure you formatted it as FAT16? |
| 16:57.14 | doughecka | hm |
| 16:57.16 | doughecka | dunno |
| 16:57.19 | doughecka | just FAT |
| 16:57.25 | doughecka | its the only option |
| 16:57.28 | yeiazel | that's enough |
| 16:57.35 | pyromance | And (depressingly enough) did you make sure you used "safely remove hardware" on it so it wrote ALL the ROM to the Z? |
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| 16:57.48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:57.49 | pyromance | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.50 | doughecka | dunno |
| 16:57.53 | doughecka | it never asked me |
| 16:58.16 | pyromance | I did that once ... Yanked the card out as soon as Windows told me it was done copying the ROM image. It lied. I badly flashed my Z ... |
| 16:58.27 | doughecka | hm |
| 16:58.28 | kergoth | doughecka: just right click on the drive in explorer and hit eject after copying |
| 16:58.29 | George- | man, ya gotta love ssh |
| 16:58.33 | kergoth | doughecka: thats the fastest and easiest way |
| 16:58.39 | doughecka | but my Z never even turns on the mail light |
| 16:58.44 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:59.15 | doughecka | well, XP has an option... |
| 16:59.18 | pyromance | doughecka With the CF card in, AC plugged in, and the vulcan nerve pinch done correctly? |
| 16:59.25 | doughecka | yup |
| 16:59.26 | doughecka | well |
| 16:59.28 | George- | kergoth: err. how long is this compile gonna take? |
| 16:59.28 | doughecka | no AC... |
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| 16:59.35 | pyromance | Heh |
| 16:59.36 | pyromance | Yeah |
| 16:59.44 | pyromance | You NEED the AC plugged in when you flash |
| 16:59.45 | doughecka | its plugged into the rigged up USB power |
| 16:59.50 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:59.52 | doughecka | it charges |
| 16:59.56 | doughecka | and the light comes on |
| 17:00.16 | phoen][x | kergoth: around? |
| 17:00.19 | pyromance | Umm .. not sure it's the same. Go to some electronics store and pick up a MicroInnovations IPaq charger for $10 and see if that makes a difference. |
| 17:00.21 | doughecka | ok |
| 17:00.23 | doughecka | I eject it |
| 17:00.35 | doughecka | stick it into the Z |
| 17:00.41 | doughecka | plug power in |
| 17:01.57 | George- | kergoth: ya know, that's the first real work that athlon's done ever since I got it :) |
| 17:02.45 | doughecka | nope |
| 17:02.48 | doughecka | no lights light up |
| 17:02.50 | doughecka | no mail |
| 17:03.21 | doughecka | ok, I have power |
| 17:04.48 | pyromance | doughecka: get a "regular" power adapter |
| 17:04.56 | doughecka | maybe if initrd3.2.bin was renamed correctly would help |
| 17:05.15 | phoen][x | George-: seems like he aint around :/ |
| 17:05.21 | George- | phoen][x: who? |
| 17:05.27 | phoen][x | the man |
| 17:05.35 | doughecka | The Man. |
| 17:05.36 | doughecka | :P |
| 17:05.42 | George- | what? |
| 17:05.43 | doughecka | pyromance: hmm, it charges |
| 17:05.49 | doughecka | why would the power matter? |
| 17:06.01 | phoen][x | George-: him. the guy who runs this place. the allmight OZ guru. |
| 17:06.07 | George- | how do I add user "foo" to group "bar"? |
| 17:06.13 | phoen][x | s/allmight/allmighty/; |
| 17:06.17 | George- | phoen][x: he's around.. :) |
| 17:06.23 | George- | phoen][x: I'm talking to him in query |
| 17:06.23 | phoen][x | George-: nano /etc/group |
| 17:06.56 | phoen][x | well, you can use another editor if you want :) |
| 17:07.39 | doughecka | hm |
| 17:08.13 | pyromance | doughecka It's the only "inconsistancy" I can think of? |
| 17:11.17 | George- | phoen][x: kergoth's fiddling around in /usr/local on my box.. argh :) |
| 17:12.04 | kergoth | phoen][x: yo |
| 17:12.06 | kergoth | phoen][x: whats up? |
| 17:12.51 | phoen][x | kergoth: dont want to be annoying, but when will you release the next pre-release? my current install is badly broken and i wonder if it's useful to flash the current version on it again :) |
| 17:13.26 | phoen][x | i'll most likely get kb'ed for this :/ |
| 17:14.38 | kergoth | c700? sometime today or tomorrow |
| 17:14.47 | phoen][x | no, 5500 |
| 17:14.56 | kergoth | then flash 3.2 |
| 17:15.04 | kergoth | the only changes since 3.2 are minor |
| 17:15.10 | George- | kergoth: how long will this take? |
| 17:15.11 | kergoth | with the exception of busybox's broken mknod |
| 17:15.28 | phoen][x | kergoth: kk. ty. |
| 17:18.21 | pyromance | George- Yay. |
| 17:18.24 | pyromance | Off work |
| 17:18.30 | mark | George-: what OS are you? |
| 17:18.46 | George- | pyromance: what's that got to do with me? |
| 17:18.48 | George- | :P |
| 17:18.56 | pyromance | doughecka: Good luck with the flashing... Really... an IPaq power adapter from MicroInnovations may be the key. If that works let me know. |
| 17:19.09 | pyromance | George- Sorry... hit Tab and BitchX pasted your name for some reason |
| 17:19.35 | pyromance | Maybe I hit g-tab |
| 17:19.42 | pyromance | or something |
| 17:19.46 | pyromance | Adieu! |
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| 17:36.06 | George- | HOLY SHIT |
| 17:36.13 | George- | my athlon just panicked |
| 17:36.18 | George- | >.< |
| 17:36.42 | yeiazel | intel roxor |
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| 18:06.34 | George- | kergoth: ping |
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| 18:26.44 | chouimat | http://bshort.com/shipdim/shipdim.html |
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| 18:40.28 | George- | kergoth: ping |
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| 18:51.53 | NetAmp | yo |
| 18:55.41 | George- | yo NetAmp |
| 18:56.00 | NetAmp | lol |
| 18:56.09 | NetAmp | what do you want from kergoth this time? ;) |
| 18:56.23 | George- | NetAmp: he wants ssh access to my box |
| 18:56.29 | chouimat | can someone kiick George- |
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| 18:57.05 | George- | NetAmp: what? |
| 18:57.17 | NetAmp | (don't worry my shoes aren't that hard) |
| 18:57.21 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 18:57.39 | NetAmp | it's chouimat's fault he asked :P |
| 19:01.21 | George- | NetAmp: I have chouimat on ignore (unsurprisingly) |
| 19:01.33 | NetAmp | hah |
| 19:01.38 | NetAmp | what's on your box then, illegal DIVX? ;) |
| 19:02.02 | George- | ? |
| 19:02.11 | NetAmp | [20:59] <George-> NetAmp: he wants ssh access to my box |
| 19:02.15 | George- | yeh |
| 19:02.24 | George- | he wants to compile a toolchain |
| 19:02.27 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:02.56 | George- | personally, I think the quality of DivX stuff is really poor, and I'd rather pay the £15 to get the DVD |
| 19:03.22 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:03.38 | phoen][x | George-: yay. i finally agree with you. |
| 19:03.53 | NetAmp | ibot change 15 GBP to EUR |
| 19:04.03 | phoen][x | divx is as mumbo-jumbo as VB |
| 19:05.45 | George- | phoen][x: heh |
| 19:05.58 | NetAmp | VB == lame |
| 19:06.08 | George- | phoen][x: DivX is just a lame hack on MS-MPEG4 to accomodate for ridiculous compression techniques :) |
| 19:07.00 | phoen][x | dvds are fine but too expensive imo |
| 19:07.08 | George- | phoen][x: heh |
| 19:07.14 | NetAmp | has anyone installed X on OZ3.2? |
| 19:07.27 | George- | phoen][x: quite honestly, VHS were the same price 5 years ago |
| 19:07.46 | phoen][x | George-: yeah. never bought those too. oops. |
| 19:07.48 | phoen][x | :) |
| 19:07.54 | NetAmp | hmm VHS should disappear |
| 19:08.07 | George- | NetAmp: doubt it will |
| 19:08.18 | NetAmp | they should have digital recorders with Random Access like on Minidisc for example :D |
| 19:08.23 | NetAmp | that would be so sweet |
| 19:08.43 | George- | minidisc is evil |
| 19:08.49 | George- | for one, it's made by Sony, who are evil ;) |
| 19:08.52 | NetAmp | it is, especially ATRAC |
| 19:08.59 | phoen][x | sony is evil? |
| 19:09.03 | George- | Any company that's a member of the RIAA I detest religiously |
| 19:09.21 | George- | :) |
| 19:09.25 | NetAmp | the Aibo dog was also created in a demonic Sony conspiracy |
| 19:09.27 | George- | my old trusty Genesis :) |
| 19:09.46 | billbrasky | anyone else have trubles setting backgrounds in oz 3.2 ? |
| 19:09.46 | NetAmp | I like my MD recorder |
| 19:09.50 | George- | my Genesis is so nice :) |
| 19:09.53 | NetAmp | billbrasky: yeah |
| 19:09.59 | billbrasky | ah ok |
| 19:10.01 | George- | NetAmp: I like my Zaurus as an MP3 player :P |
| 19:10.03 | NetAmp | billbrasky: mostly they won't show up |
| 19:10.13 | NetAmp | George-: LOL yeah me too |
| 19:10.14 | billbrasky | yea the preview is just black and they wont apply |
| 19:10.25 | George- | NetAmp: what's so LOL about it? That's my Z's primary use :) |
| 19:10.32 | George- | NetAmp: secondary use is games... games and more games ;) |
| 19:10.36 | NetAmp | George-: I want games |
| 19:10.44 | NetAmp | George-: actually I wanna try SNES games |
| 19:10.49 | George- | NetAmp: I have strategic assault and interstellar flames :) |
| 19:11.03 | NetAmp | George-: but there are no X packages for OZ3.2 in the feed yet, which are required |
| 19:11.03 | George- | NetAmp: and scummvm does nicely with Monkey Island 1, LOOM and Indiana Jones |
| 19:11.15 | George- | the SNES emulator is crap |
| 19:11.20 | George- | trust me |
| 19:11.24 | NetAmp | hrm.. damn |
| 19:11.31 | George- | it's slow and buggy |
| 19:11.37 | NetAmp | I would've liked to play Rock&Roll Racer on my Z :D |
| 19:11.54 | *** part/#zaurus billbrasky (~billbrask@1Cust135.tnt2.chico.ca.da.uu.net) |
| 19:11.55 | George- | Rock & Roll Racer? |
| 19:11.59 | NetAmp | yah a SNES game |
| 19:12.00 | George- | I liked SimCity on my Psion |
| 19:12.17 | George- | I actually managed to get the SimCity 2000 SNES game to load at one stage :) |
| 19:12.18 | NetAmp | i've got a few CD's full of SNES ROMs here somewhere |
| 19:12.28 | NetAmp | that's cool |
| 19:12.36 | kergoth | George-: pong |
| 19:12.37 | George- | but it was slow as hell |
| 19:12.41 | George- | kergoth: kernel updated |
| 19:12.48 | NetAmp | You played SimCity 4 yet on the PC? |
| 19:12.49 | George- | kergoth: dma enabled on both hdds now :) |
| 19:12.52 | George- | NetAmp: no |
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| 19:13.02 | NetAmp | George-: I like destroying large cities :P |
| 19:13.08 | kergoth | George-: cool. cant login anymore :) change the pass? |
| 19:13.16 | George- | kergoth: yeh, just changed it back |
| 19:13.26 | George- | kergoth: check the IP hasn't changed either |
| 19:13.27 | NetAmp | With meteor impacts and lightning strikes |
| 19:13.30 | kergoth | George-: k |
| 19:13.44 | George- | NetAmp: you bastard! :) |
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| 19:13.51 | George- | NetAmp: I want SC3kU for Mac OS X |
| 19:13.59 | jasonmch | hey all.. |
| 19:14.02 | George- | NetAmp: I don't think my Radeon Mobility is enough to run SC4 |
| 19:14.06 | NetAmp | hiya jason |
| 19:14.14 | George- | NetAmp: then again, I'm a StarCraft/WarCraft junkie ;) |
| 19:14.18 | NetAmp | George: it is, it runs on mine |
| 19:14.25 | jasonmch | anyone out there hooking their Z up to an Airport network with a linksys CF card? |
| 19:14.35 | George- | NetAmp: SimCity 4? |
| 19:14.40 | George- | NetAmp: what machine do you have? |
| 19:14.43 | NetAmp | George: SC4 runs on my laptop, which has a Radeon 9000 Mobility |
| 19:14.45 | George- | NetAmp: which Radeon Mobility? |
| 19:14.54 | George- | NetAmp: I don't have a 9000 Mobility. I have an M6 LY |
| 19:14.58 | NetAmp | hmm.. |
| 19:15.02 | George- | NetAmp: 9000 Mobility will run anything |
| 19:15.03 | George- | :P |
| 19:15.04 | mark | George-: boo |
| 19:15.10 | treke|home | m6 LY? thats a shit chip |
| 19:15.11 | George- | I have SC2k |
| 19:15.17 | George- | treke|home: I know :( |
| 19:15.38 | George- | treke|home: one of the reasons why I keep sending in my tibook for repair, maybe they'll take the hint and give me an M7 based tibook :) |
| 19:15.42 | NetAmp | it even ran 3D Mark 2003, though it got pretty heat up |
| 19:16.20 | jasonmch | who needs help with their tiBook? |
| 19:16.25 | George- | kergoth: it (hopefully) shouldn't panic again |
| 19:16.31 | George- | jasonmch: what? |
| 19:16.44 | jasonmch | I saw tiBook mentioned and I am jumping into conversations.. :) |
| 19:16.58 | George- | jasonmch: nobody needs help with their tibook |
| 19:17.01 | jasonmch | ohh ok. |
| 19:17.07 | George- | jasonmch: I'm just pissed that it's been in repair for 9 fucking weeks |
| 19:17.17 | jasonmch | ouch... you had it sent into apple? |
| 19:17.28 | NetAmp | maybe it takes them that amount of time to install the M7 :P |
| 19:17.28 | George- | jasonmch: three times. |
| 19:17.34 | George- | jasonmch: it's in at the moment |
| 19:17.49 | jasonmch | call executive relations, if it is under warranty they may replace it for you if this is the 3rd or 4th time. |
| 19:17.53 | George- | NetAmp: nah, they've had the replace the LCD twice, the optical drive twice, the battery, the psu, and the casing ;) |
| 19:18.13 | NetAmp | I had to send my notebook in to replace the DVD drive |
| 19:18.18 | George- | jasonmch: it's not directly going to apple (I don't have an extended warranty with apple) |
| 19:18.26 | jasonmch | George-: ahhhhh... |
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| 19:18.35 | George- | jasonmch: it's going to a company in the UK I have an extended warranty with, which then send it off to Apple |
| 19:18.39 | jasonmch | George-: what is it doing now that you have it sent in? |
| 19:18.45 | jasonmch | gotcha... |
| 19:18.52 | George- | jasonmch: what's it doing? |
| 19:18.57 | NetAmp | or not doing :P |
| 19:18.59 | jasonmch | George-: yes. |
| 19:19.08 | George- | jasonmch: what do you mean "what's it doing"? |
| 19:19.08 | mark | George-: if you keep sending it in repeatedly needlessly, all you're doing is pushing up their costs and prices |
| 19:19.16 | jasonmch | George-: what is wrong with it this time.. |
| 19:19.40 | George- | jasonmch: they fucked up the CD-RW/DVD drive, battery still fucked, and hinges screwed |
| 19:19.47 | George- | jasonmch: to put it bluntly |
| 19:20.11 | jasonmch | George-: ok, the only reason I am asking is I work for a large reseller in S. Florida and was goign to see if I could help shed a little light on it. |
| 19:20.23 | ivan | is there a pda like the zaurus and has a keyboard? |
| 19:20.24 | George- | hrmm? |
| 19:20.35 | George- | jasonmch: I'm in the UK |
| 19:20.36 | NetAmp | the zaurus has a keyboard |
| 19:20.38 | NetAmp | :P |
| 19:20.38 | chouimat | jasonmch: George- got a defect one from the start |
| 19:20.41 | George- | jasonmch: I doubt you could be much help |
| 19:21.17 | jasonmch | George-: gotcha gotcha.. |
| 19:22.14 | NetAmp | I really need to continue playing Neverwinter Nights |
| 19:22.17 | George- | jasonmch: basically, the paint on the bezel was bubbling off because of material flaws, the LCD had deep scratches because the keyboard is seated too high, the PSU was not indicating whether the battery was charging or not, the PSU was leaking a current to the case causing electric shocks (!!!!!!), battery lasts 20 minutes, CD-RW/DVD drive won't read DVDs well, CD-RW/DVD drive jams all the time... |
| 19:22.20 | NetAmp | i'm still not at the end |
| 19:23.02 | NetAmp | George: sounds look your tiBook is haunted |
| 19:23.08 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:23.14 | NetAmp | well good luck with it |
| 19:23.15 | jasonmch | George-: ouch.. well half of the stuff like you said is flaws.. I am not seen an electrified tiBook b4, thats a new one.. How old is the machine? |
| 19:23.17 | George- | ivan: the iPaq runs linux, and you can get a snap-on keyboard similar to the Z's |
| 19:23.22 | NetAmp | i'm outta here |
| 19:23.28 | George- | jasonmch: 15 months |
| 19:23.33 | George- | jasonmch: thereabouts anyway |
| 19:23.44 | George- | no, 16 |
| 19:23.45 | jasonmch | no applecare? |
| 19:23.51 | George- | I got it in late december 2001 |
| 19:23.55 | NetAmp | Having an electrified tiBook might help it from getting stolen though ;) |
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| 19:24.02 | George- | jasonmch: I have an extended warranty with an independant company |
| 19:24.05 | George- | jasonmch: no applecare |
| 19:24.08 | DrPascal | hello all ... |
| 19:24.11 | NetAmp | hello |
| 19:24.11 | George- | NetAmp: oh that's GREAT |
| 19:24.12 | chouimat | NetAmp: hehe |
| 19:24.29 | NetAmp | it IS (if the shock's hard enough) |
| 19:24.42 | George- | NetAmp: I'd rather like to USE MY LAPTOP from time to time |
| 19:24.45 | jasonmch | George-: well atl least you have that warranty, parts are rediculous for the tiBook (price wise) doesnt make up for the problems with the machine though |
| 19:24.53 | George- | I measured 50VDC at some point |
| 19:24.54 | NetAmp | George: yeah that makes more sense |
| 19:25.00 | DrPascal | Quick question: I'm relatively new to the Zaurus scene, and wanted to give Zethereal a shot. I got the "needed-libs" file and zethereal, but it is telling me that I'm missing libqpe.so.1. What kit does that come with? |
| 19:25.07 | George- | jasonmch: I know |
| 19:25.18 | George- | jasonmch: God knows how much I've cost my warranty provider ;) |
| 19:25.39 | *** part/#zaurus NetAmp (~netamp@cp234746-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) |
| 19:25.41 | jasonmch | hehe... you mentioned the LCD awile back.. theres something lik 1300 USD alone |
| 19:25.50 | George- | jasonmch: I've gone through two LCDs (on my third), 2 CD-RW/DVD drive (on my third), 1 battery (on my second), 1 titanium shell (on my second).. :) |
| 19:26.00 | George- | jasonmch: yeh, well, I've used two LCDs :) |
| 19:26.35 | George- | jasonmch: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/eric.rsoc/ |
| 19:26.58 | George- | is there an HP48 emulator for the Z? |
| 19:27.03 | George- | (Qtopia-based) |
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| 19:28.14 | jasonmch | my damn Z wont flash.. :) |
| 19:28.19 | DrPascal | Anyone in here use Zethereal? |
| 19:28.30 | pyromance | Jason: Why? |
| 19:28.48 | jasonmch | pyromance: no idea... I am trying to put OZ on it, and I just get blinking lights. |
| 19:28.58 | pyromance | Which lights? |
| 19:29.05 | jasonmch | the mail and power lights blink |
| 19:29.20 | jasonmch | as opposed to remainging steady as if it were flashing. |
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| 19:29.43 | pyromance | OK ... You have the two OZ files on a FAT16 formatted CF card? |
| 19:30.19 | jasonmch | pyromance: yes.. I formated the CF card on my linux box, mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/sda1 |
| 19:30.22 | George- | kergoth: hasn't panicked yet :) |
| 19:30.25 | jasonmch | and it dont wrork.. :( |
| 19:30.36 | jasonmch | is there a way to format the card through my Z in konsole? |
| 19:30.39 | pyromance | OK ... does your Z still boot the old ROM? |
| 19:30.44 | jasonmch | yes |
| 19:30.45 | pyromance | mkdosfs ? |
| 19:30.47 | kergoth | George-: yup, still going |
| 19:30.58 | jasonmch | let me try that.. |
| 19:31.03 | jasonmch | mkdosfs /mnt/cf? |
| 19:31.09 | pyromance | Hmm ... Can you see the OZ files on the CF card on the Z? |
| 19:31.15 | jasonmch | yes |
| 19:31.16 | pyromance | No ... Make sure you umount /mnt/cf |
| 19:31.24 | pyromance | oh wait |
| 19:31.27 | pyromance | You can see the files |
| 19:31.27 | pyromance | good |
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| 19:31.56 | jasonmch | ok here goes.. let me reformat the card... and I will transfer the images back on it |
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| 19:32.38 | jasonmch | pyromance: I need to do nothing else to the card besdies the mkdosfs? |
| 19:33.05 | pyromance | Well mkdosfs will "format" the card |
| 19:33.18 | jasonmch | right |
| 19:33.34 | jasonmch | ok done.. I did mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/hda |
| 19:33.35 | pyromance | Then copying the OZ files over then attempting the flash should work |
| 19:33.36 | jasonmch | 1 |
| 19:34.06 | George- | kergoth: will this toolchain building method work on PowerPC? |
| 19:34.32 | pyromance | PPC + Linux = cool |
| 19:35.09 | George- | Twiun: criminal record.. NOW |
| 19:35.28 | chouimat | hey Twiun .... George- is being a bastard as usual |
| 19:35.34 | Twiun | George-: you finally found someone to frame me? |
| 19:35.47 | George- | Twiun: Where's your criminal record? |
| 19:36.03 | Twiun | George-: nonexistant of course... unless you've been impersonating me again? |
| 19:36.06 | pyromance | Anyone else have an SMC700VWBR router? Mine seems to drop connection to my Z after 10 minutes... signal becomes useless. |
| 19:36.23 | George- | Twiun: what about that time when you stole that packet of fries from McDonalds in 1997? |
| 19:36.24 | kergoth | George-: in theory yeah, I havent added PPC as a build arch in menuconfig yet, but i'll do so. |
| 19:36.34 | George- | kergoth: cool |
| 19:37.02 | Twiun | George-: I would never taint my body with such trash :) |
| 19:37.10 | jasonmch | pyromance: ok.. card formatted, files transfered |
| 19:37.12 | George- | Twiun: and the time when you stole that drain pipe from B&Q? |
| 19:37.22 | jasonmch | zImage and initrd.bin |
| 19:37.23 | George- | Twiun: and the time you stole hairspray in 1998 |
| 19:37.27 | George- | Twiun: and and and.. |
| 19:37.44 | Twiun | George-: and... now you've finished recounting *your* past... |
| 19:37.50 | pyromance | OK which one of you stole my 96M CF? |
| 19:37.55 | George- | Twiun: I'm no thief! |
| 19:38.11 | Twiun | George-: you certainly seem to know a great deal about that kind of life though |
| 19:38.14 | George- | pyromance: Why would i want your 96MB CF?: I have a 160MB one here ;) |
| 19:38.19 | George- | Twiun: wtf |
| 19:38.24 | George- | Twiun: die!! :) |
| 19:38.26 | phoen][x | pyromance: it was me |
| 19:38.28 | pyromance | George-: It was hiding in my camera |
| 19:38.31 | phoen][x | pyromance: sorry |
| 19:38.45 | pyromance | phoen][x: Why would you put my card in my camera? I have no interesting pictures to take! |
| 19:38.49 | jasonmch | pyromance: blinking lights. |
| 19:38.58 | jasonmch | my 512 cf sucks ass... |
| 19:39.09 | pyromance | jasonmch: You don't happen to have a Winders box, do you? |
| 19:39.14 | phoen][x | jasonmch: rich sob |
| 19:39.23 | jasonmch | I picked it up for 109 |
| 19:39.27 | jasonmch | winders box? |
| 19:39.32 | pyromance | Winders |
| 19:39.33 | pyromance | You know |
| 19:39.35 | phoen][x | winders |
| 19:39.37 | phoen][x | the ms os |
| 19:39.43 | jasonmch | hell no |
| 19:39.46 | phoen][x | the one from redmond :) |
| 19:40.00 | kergoth | George-: 2.95.4 toolchain is built, 3.2 is chugging away |
| 19:40.01 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 19:40.01 | jasonmch | I am on an OSX machine now, and my linux at home. |
| 19:40.30 | George- | oh fuck |
| 19:40.54 | George- | don't tell me it's panicking again |
| 19:41.05 | George- | nope :) |
| 19:41.07 | jasonmch | do the files zImage and init have to be any special permissions? |
| 19:41.09 | George- | phew, I got a bit worried when it wouldn't ping :) |
| 19:41.15 | George- | or to be more accurate, "pong" :) |
| 19:41.15 | pyromance | Jason: And your power and all is plugged in? |
| 19:41.17 | George- | kergoth: that quickly? |
| 19:41.21 | George- | kergoth: it's been going for like, 1/2 hour |
| 19:41.23 | jasonmch | pyromance : yup |
| 19:41.25 | kergoth | George-: yep |
| 19:41.31 | pyromance | You can't set permissions on a fat16 filesystem. If you can set permissions, it's not fat16 |
| 19:41.33 | George- | kergoth: nifty :) |
| 19:41.41 | jasonmch | ahh tru.. wasnt thinking |
| 19:41.42 | kergoth | George-: doesnt take as long as you'd think. just need to build 1) binutils, 2) gcc pass 1, 3) glibc, and 4) gcc pass 2 |
| 19:42.03 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 19:42.05 | pyromance | Let me think |
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| 19:42.18 | pyromance | Damn it... how do you check the filesystem type of a mounted drive? |
| 19:42.27 | George- | kergoth: I think the lack of DMA on the HDDs was throttling my CPU on heavy hdd access |
| 19:42.30 | jasonmch | mount |
| 19:42.33 | George- | kergoth: :) |
| 19:42.34 | jasonmch | and it shows the file system type |
| 19:42.41 | kergoth | George-: yep, hard disk speed affects things more than most people realize |
| 19:42.48 | kergoth | George-: learned that when i started using scsi raid |
| 19:42.49 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:42.51 | George- | kergoth: causing it to panic |
| 19:42.56 | pyromance | jasonmch: Shows fat16 |
| 19:43.14 | pyromance | Try vfat for grins ;) |
| 19:43.22 | jasonmch | shows vfat |
| 19:43.39 | pyromance | You don't have access to another CF card, do you? |
| 19:43.45 | George- | kergoth: you have a SCSI raid? |
| 19:43.47 | George- | kergoth: bastard :) |
| 19:43.48 | mark | chouimat: George-'s box is crashing :) |
| 19:43.55 | George- | kergoth: I have 2x7200RPM EIDE :) |
| 19:44.03 | jasonmch | pyromance: I dont think so, let me go see if the camera on the sales floor has a cf card in it |
| 19:44.16 | pyromance | Heh. Swipe one |
| 19:44.31 | kergoth | George-: 5 9gb 10,000rpm 2mb cache drives in a raid 0 array on a caching raid controller with 64mb cache onboard |
| 19:44.34 | kergoth | George-: :D |
| 19:44.45 | pyromance | kergoth is uber |
| 19:44.51 | George- | kergoth: 5.9GB? |
| 19:44.54 | George- | kergoth: bit small eh? |
| 19:44.59 | kergoth | 5 drives |
| 19:45.03 | kergoth | 5 9gb drives |
| 19:45.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:45.05 | mark | 5 * 9gb |
| 19:45.07 | pyromance | It's not the size of the RAID, it's what he DOES with it. |
| 19:45.09 | George- | kergoth: I have 1x80GB and 1x27GB |
| 19:45.19 | mark | George-: really not v difficult to understand |
| 19:45.42 | chouimat | mark: we are still on ignore |
| 19:45.48 | George- | pyromance: you mean, it hasn't failed yet?! :) |
| 19:45.52 | kergoth | I used to have a 60gb ibm drive for archive use, outside the array.. |
| 19:45.53 | George- | mine's a Maxtor |
| 19:45.53 | mark | chouimat: oh, forgot about athat |
| 19:45.56 | George- | and a Western Digital |
| 19:45.57 | jasonmch | pyromance: no such luck |
| 19:46.01 | kergoth | but being an ibm drive, it blew up |
| 19:46.05 | pyromance | George-: Nope. It's rock solid for what it does |
| 19:46.08 | George- | kergoth: hehe |
| 19:46.20 | George- | pyromance: I've heard the IBM DeskStars are to be avoided like the plague :) |
| 19:46.26 | kergoth | indeed |
| 19:46.38 | George- | especially the 120GX |
| 19:46.40 | George- | or whatever |
| 19:46.46 | pyromance | Which is game-playing. My other two drives (Western Digital Caviar 10 and 20 gigs respectively) are mostly unused. I need to invest in a new drive |
| 19:47.11 | kergoth | I need a new soundcard |
| 19:47.17 | kergoth | i'm using onboard via8233, and it sounds liek shit |
| 19:47.27 | George- | woops |
| 19:47.28 | George- | it's not WD |
| 19:47.31 | George- | it's a Fujitsu |
| 19:48.02 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 19:48.08 | pyromance | Dunno about your blinking light problem there |
| 19:48.43 | jasonmch | pyromance: thanks anyways.. I have a feeling it is the card, dunno why though.. I am just going to have to buy another one to try |
| 19:49.20 | pyromance | jason: Someone experienced something similar: http://more.sbc.co.jp/forum/dev2dev/cbbs.cgi?mode=alk&page=5 |
| 19:50.04 | pyromance | Four people replied with "Me too!" posts but no one offered a solution |
| 19:50.46 | mark | chouimat: he really knows how to say thank you when people offer him stuff: '<george-> jasonmch: I doubt you could be much help' |
| 19:51.50 | George- | kergoth: I have a via here, don't notice any trouble.. :) |
| 19:52.00 | George- | kergoth: sounds about the same as my tibook's sound |
| 19:52.21 | kergoth | pyromance: bah. google has no master, only friends |
| 19:52.30 | pyromance | Hehe |
| 19:52.39 | pyromance | Well |
| 19:52.55 | pyromance | My three domains are all top of the list when someone google's the word, so google is my friend |
| 19:53.07 | jasonmch | pyromance: bingo |
| 19:53.25 | pyromance | jasonmch: Bingo? |
| 19:53.43 | chouimat | mark: George- is a twit and we can't change him |
| 19:53.52 | jasonmch | bingo: nobody knows what is wrong, just saying they have the problem too |
| 19:54.16 | mark | chouimat: last time I offered him some help (to speak to somone i knew who works at his isp), i just got 'fuck that' |
| 19:55.30 | chouimat | mark: I think he really need to have a gf soon |
| 19:55.34 | jasonmch | http://www.its.caltech.edu/~elling/ztech.txt |
| 19:56.04 | pyromance | jasonmch: I'm doing some more searches as we speak |
| 19:57.07 | jasonmch | killer thanks... |
| 19:57.33 | pyromance | Jason: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=2314&hl=blink&s=26ddc57eaa51f0650b292954c402fc13 |
| 19:57.50 | mutexer | if anyone in here downloaded the jack the uni-psychle demo and didnt like how fast it was.. its been updated with version 1.1 which fixes that...its much better now |
| 19:59.24 | pyromance | jason: You did, of course, rename the OZ files as appropriate, right? |
| 20:00.06 | jasonmch | yup |
| 20:00.12 | jasonmch | zImage and initrd.bin |
| 20:00.40 | pyromance | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=1923&hl=blink&s=26ddc57eaa51f0650b292954c402fc13 |
| 20:01.20 | pyromance | Could be a bad download of the OZ files or a bad write on your CF card |
| 20:01.45 | pyromance | or just a bad card? |
| 20:01.49 | jasonmch | yup |
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| 20:04.26 | pyromance | I'd say elminate points of failure one by one. First try a different CF card, then a different CF card reader. Cards are normally sold "formatted" Fat16 or vfat so don't fdisk/format it when you mount it initially |
| 20:05.04 | pyromance | Actually. .. first re-download the OZ files, then try the routes that actually cost money ;) |
| 20:06.55 | leffe | what chipset does the wireless cf-card from socket use ? (anyone running kismet with the card from socket) |
| 20:07.15 | pyromance | Ummm ... "prism2 compatible?" |
| 20:07.45 | leffe | you are not 100% sure ? |
| 20:08.09 | pyromance | No idea... I use a steaming pile of monkey dung for a WiFi card |
| 20:08.16 | pyromance | (aka NetGear MA701 ) |
| 20:08.41 | leffe | ok... |
| 20:09.18 | pyromance | But if you buy me a Socket card, I'd be glad to tell you everything I learn about it |
| 20:09.28 | leffe | ;-) |
| 20:09.52 | pyromance | I'm good at finding information ... which Socket card are you looking at? |
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| 20:10.32 | pyromance | And I know Socket cards work fine with Kismet (at least on a Crow ROM) 'cause a friend of mine loves hers. |
| 20:10.38 | leffe | they only have one wireless model, its a "low power card" |
| 20:11.28 | pyromance | Spectrum 2.5 chipset |
| 20:11.36 | leffe | Model: Socket Low Power WLAN Card |
| 20:11.42 | leffe | that was fast... |
| 20:11.45 | pyromance | Yeah |
| 20:11.51 | pyromance | Google and I are getting married |
| 20:11.57 | pyromance | http://www.handhelds.org/~nils/socket-cf-wlan.html |
| 20:12.07 | leffe | ok, thanks a lot |
| 20:12.21 | pyromance | Hey... that's what user supported communities are all about. |
| 20:12.43 | leffe | i did some searching, network and socket turned out to be a bad combination.... |
| 20:13.02 | pyromance | The string I used was: Socket "low power" CF chipset 802.11b |
| 20:13.18 | leffe | ok, thanks again |
| 20:13.47 | pyromance | Heh. They promoted me to "senior systems administrator" last month... Little do they know I'd be helpless without Google. |
| 20:14.16 | leffe | google has saved my bacon more than once... |
| 20:14.24 | pyromance | Well ... I'd still write mean shell scripts ... So I'd be useless without google, grep, awk, and sed |
| 20:14.57 | leffe | i just bought a 5600... this is really fun... |
| 20:15.07 | pyromance | Oh! |
| 20:15.08 | pyromance | hehe |
| 20:15.12 | pyromance | You can't Kismet on a 5600 |
| 20:15.26 | leffe | dont say that... please... |
| 20:15.31 | pyromance | There was just a thread about that on the Zaurus dev boards about that today |
| 20:15.33 | pyromance | Let me find it |
| 20:15.59 | pyromance | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=2322&s=81273274cdd7d72f02d99e01fb633315 |
| 20:16.03 | pyromance | Read the bottom entry |
| 20:16.25 | leffe | ok |
| 20:16.50 | pyromance | Oh wait wrong one |
| 20:17.48 | pyromance | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=2293&s=4508529b9662eedfab379fd3d4c0346f |
| 20:17.55 | leffe | ok |
| 20:18.06 | pyromance | [quote] D'oh! It's a SL5600 with a SharpROM. |
| 20:18.06 | pyromance | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.06 | pyromance | I'm afraid you can not passively monitor wireless lans with your SL5600 because the relevant drivers [prism2 in your case] don't include the necessary monitor mode patches. |
| 20:19.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:19.18 | leffe | :-( |
| 20:19.19 | kergoth | just wait for the OZ 5600 rom |
| 20:19.30 | noiddZZzz | kergoth |
| 20:19.32 | kergoth | for which monitoring works just great for either hostap or symbol/socket |
| 20:19.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:19.35 | kergoth | hey noidd |
| 20:19.44 | noiddd | allo, how goes today? |
| 20:19.47 | phoen][x | its not noidd |
| 20:19.53 | phoen][x | its noiddd |
| 20:19.56 | George- | kergoth: done yet? |
| 20:20.03 | noidd | :-) |
| 20:20.05 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:20.18 | kergoth | George-: nah, but its on what looks to be the final gcc pass for 3.2 |
| 20:20.23 | phoen][x | noidd: you are faking. i know that you arent noidd but noiddd. :) |
| 20:20.35 | George- | kergoth: k |
| 20:20.51 | pyromance | Kergoth: Think there's a demand on the OZ contribution side for a shell script that correctly packages the Hancom/Jeode/Opera apps specifically for OZ installation? |
| 20:20.51 | George- | kergoth: I presume once that's done you need to upload it somewhere? |
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| 20:21.13 | kergoth | George-: yeah |
| 20:21.21 | kergoth | pyromance: thats what the creator ipks are. |
| 20:21.32 | kergoth | or rather what they were intended to be |
| 20:21.37 | kergoth | but we need c700/5600 creators |
| 20:21.57 | pyromance | The creator IPKs are out of date because the libraries aren't the same, as per OpenZaurus FAQ |
| 20:22.25 | kergoth | what? |
| 20:22.34 | kergoth | those faqs are outdated. |
| 20:22.36 | kergoth | big time. |
| 20:22.44 | pyromance | Oh.. hehe. |
| 20:22.47 | kergoth | they were pre- sandman's fixes to opie for qtopia compatibility |
| 20:22.56 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:23.12 | treke|home | well shit |
| 20:23.23 | pyromance | My Hancom IPKs don't install properly at all :( |
| 20:23.28 | treke|home | ipkg install also dumps it :) |
| 20:24.22 | kergoth | then ipkg needs fixing |
| 20:24.27 | kergoth | to preserve on tar extraction |
| 20:24.27 | noidd | all I want is an ipkg that doesn't core-cump |
| 20:24.30 | noidd | err, dump |
| 20:24.45 | treke|home | .81 seems ok so far |
| 20:24.59 | kergoth | treke|home: .82 is tagged, though i dont know if anything changed |
| 20:25.09 | kergoth | just decided to try pulling it on a whim, and it worked |
| 20:25.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:25.30 | kergoth | pyromance: ? |
| 20:25.32 | treke|home | kergoth: oh well. I do a postinst for now and send jamey a patch for ipkg :) |
| 20:26.09 | kergoth | treke|home: heh. it uses the busybox unarchival code |
| 20:26.21 | kergoth | treke|home: may want to talk to bug1 in #uclibc about preserving perms on tar extraction |
| 20:26.35 | kergoth | brb, food |
| 20:26.37 | George- | rofl |
| 20:26.40 | pyromance | Hmm? |
| 20:26.45 | George- | they're *still* making anti-war protests |
| 20:26.46 | treke|home | then maybe I wont submit a pag :) |
| 20:26.49 | treke|home | patch |
| 20:27.00 | treke|home | George-: well we are still at war |
| 20:27.27 | George- | treke|home: we aren't exactly going to back out now |
| 20:28.01 | treke|home | George-: so? If they are against the war they arent going to change their minds just because were arent going to back down. They want to keep making their point |
| 20:28.27 | George- | treke|home: I'm just saying that it's a bit futile now |
| 20:28.43 | George- | kergoth: tar'ing it up now? |
| 20:28.47 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:29.46 | George- | kergoth: note, I only have 256kbit/s upload |
| 20:30.06 | noidd | actyually, I was there at the first set of anti-war protests |
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| 20:30.21 | noidd | i'm not anti war, but was anti this war under thsoe circumstances |
| 20:30.28 | noidd | but I think they're nnuts now |
| 20:30.49 | George- | noidd: who are nuts? The anti-war protestors or Bush/Blair? |
| 20:30.51 | mark | noidd: yeah, i went too |
| 20:30.55 | mutexer | Anyone know any sites that review Zaurus games? |
| 20:31.01 | *** join/#zaurus ANder (~asdf@193-153-88-15.uc.nombres.ttd.es) |
| 20:31.02 | mark | mutexer: they dont any more |
| 20:31.07 | mark | mutexer: pdapointer did some |
| 20:31.13 | mutexer | are there any sites for Zaurus besides ZSI? |
| 20:31.31 | George- | whoa |
| 20:31.40 | George- | 60MB uploading at 20KB/s |
| 20:31.44 | George- | that's gonna take ages |
| 20:31.59 | pyromance | hmm ... /mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/hancomsheet.postinst: no such file or directory |
| 20:32.05 | ANder | what type of wireless cards can i use in my zaurus ? |
| 20:32.15 | kergoth | George-: yep |
| 20:32.29 | kergoth | George-: eta's around 45min |
| 20:32.33 | George- | kergoth: about 50mins |
| 20:32.38 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:32.42 | George- | kergoth: that's what I calculated, anyway :) |
| 20:32.44 | George- | I was close :) |
| 20:33.02 | pyromance | could not open :/usr/lib/ipkg/info/hancommobilesheet.list |
| 20:33.23 | George- | kergoth: I can't believe it, I give you access to my computer, you suck all my CPU power, and now you want to suck all my BANDWIDTH too?!?! :) |
| 20:33.36 | pyromance | ANder: Most 802.11b ... Go with the Socket Low Power if budget allows |
| 20:33.47 | mark | kergoth: what are you doing to george-'s computer |
| 20:33.52 | pyromance | ANder: I went with the Netgear MA701 and am regretting it's instability |
| 20:34.03 | chouimat | George-: shaddap |
| 20:34.08 | mark | kergoth: could you accidently slip in a rm -rf "/home/*£ do you think? |
| 20:34.21 | George- | kergoth`bbl: er.. |
| 20:34.21 | chouimat | lol |
| 20:34.25 | noidd | yeah, in london today they expected quarter of a million people. They got about 500 :-~) |
| 20:34.26 | George- | kergoth`bbl: you'll be back in 45 mins right? |
| 20:34.27 | pyromance | kergoth: Any thoughts on my hancom errors? |
| 20:34.29 | pyromance | ack ... missed |
| 20:34.36 | ANder | aha thanks pyromance |
| 20:34.57 | George- | I'm still waiting for a CF -> PCMCIA adaptor |
| 20:35.56 | phoen][x | i'm waiting for a cheap CF -> VGA adaptor |
| 20:37.32 | pyromance | Holy hell I think I solved my problem |
| 20:37.51 | pyromance | You see that CompactFlash VGA heads-up display? |
| 20:39.48 | pyromance | THAT IS WHY THE HANCOM APPS WON'T INSTALL! |
| 20:39.49 | pyromance | grr |
| 20:40.03 | George- | pyromance: what oz are you running? |
| 20:40.29 | pyromance | 3.2 |
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| 20:40.40 | George- | pyromance: if you get HancomSheet working let me know |
| 20:40.45 | pyromance | The creator scripts call BASH for postinst |
| 20:41.18 | pyromance | # head -1 hancomsheet.postinst |
| 20:41.18 | pyromance | #! /bin/bash |
| 20:43.17 | George- | argh! kergoth's sucking all my upload bandwidth, and my brother's sucking all my download bandwidth!!!! |
| 20:43.32 | pyromance | Kergoth and your brother are sucking |
| 20:43.40 | pyromance | There's a mental image for ya |
| 20:43.47 | mark | pyromance: will you ask George- for me why kergoth is on his box? |
| 20:43.57 | George- | pyromance: you sick disgusting bastard |
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| 20:45.15 | pyromance | mark: Are you ignored? |
| 20:45.17 | pyromance | hehe |
| 20:45.20 | mark | pyromance: yeah :) |
| 20:45.29 | mark | pyromance: so dont ask from me, just ask :) |
| 20:45.31 | Wintre | Ignored by George? |
| 20:45.49 | pyromance | um yeah |
| 20:45.49 | bobcat | Wintre: same here |
| 20:45.53 | Wintre | Hahah |
| 20:45.56 | pyromance | George-: why is kergoth on your box? |
| 20:46.01 | bobcat | hi geiseri |
| 20:46.04 | George- | pyromance: building the OZ toolchain |
| 20:46.08 | bobcat | hi George- |
| 20:46.18 | mark | pyromance: 'why on your box?' |
| 20:46.20 | George- | pyromance: he needed a box with glibc 2.2.x |
| 20:46.29 | Wintre | I'm surprised you didn't put him on ignore before you irritated him enough to ignore you ;) |
| 20:46.31 | George- | pyromance: I happened to have a 2GHz Athlon running that :) |
| 20:46.40 | George- | Wintre: haha |
| 20:46.45 | bobcat | Wintre: George- is a moron so .... |
| 20:47.07 | mark | pyromance: he doesnt really have a 2Ghz athlon, he's got a 1.5Ghz athlon |
| 20:47.09 | Wintre | bobcat: I have come to a similar conclusion |
| 20:47.24 | Wintre | For example |
| 20:47.33 | Wintre | Nah, never mind. |
| 20:47.33 | mark | Wintre: are you on ignore too? |
| 20:47.42 | Wintre | No, <George-> Wintre: haha |
| 20:47.43 | bobcat | Wintre: I can say what I want since my 2 nicks are ignore |
| 20:48.32 | George- | Wintre: I have chouimat and all related to chouimat on ignore :P |
| 20:48.46 | mark | how can I do a search and replace on a file from a shell? |
| 20:48.46 | bobcat | ibot mail |
| 20:48.48 | George- | Wintre: as well as ibot, apt... |
| 20:48.49 | Wintre | I remember you mentioned ignoring chouimat |
| 20:49.01 | mark | Wintre: he just likes the attention |
| 20:49.08 | Wintre | Must be |
| 20:49.12 | bobcat | ibot mail George- You're a moron |
| 20:49.47 | pyromance | mark: Search first |
| 20:49.47 | bobcat | he still a moron |
| 20:50.03 | Wintre | Hmm, a Swede |
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| 20:50.22 | pyromance | George-: Which Athlon 2k core? |
| 20:51.24 | George- | pyromance: hrmm? |
| 20:52.42 | pyromance | Palomino? Thoroughbred? |
| 20:53.02 | pyromance | My Palomino core is hotter than hell ... I wish I'd popped the few extra bucks for the cooler core. |
| 20:53.21 | pyromance | Oh... I'm a case modder in addition to being a Linux and Z freak ;) |
| 20:53.30 | George- | pyromance: I think it's thoroughbred |
| 20:53.30 | George- | pyromance: it's a 2400+ |
| 20:53.42 | pyromance | That'd be a T-bred or a newer one |
| 20:54.10 | George- | it's a nice CPU |
| 20:54.16 | George- | bloody fast :) |
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| 20:57.42 | Twiun | pyromance: never used any single board computers by any chance? |
| 21:01.32 | mark | Twiun: what are you trying to do with SBCs? :) |
| 21:02.13 | Twiun | mark: stick a few in my box and run servers from them :) |
| 21:02.22 | Twiun | mark: or a firewall... or something separate |
| 21:02.27 | Twiun | mark: how about a renderfarm? |
| 21:02.48 | mark | Twiun: heh :) |
| 21:03.07 | mark | Twiun: is it too much time or money you have? |
| 21:03.27 | pyromance | twuin: I made my own Via Epia case that got featured on Via's site if that's what you mean ;) |
| 21:03.32 | Twiun | mark: a 6 pc cluster in one box... too much time - and those 486 SBC computers seem cheap |
| 21:03.49 | pyromance | Sorry for my idle time ... hacking away at these damn hancom apps |
| 21:03.52 | Twiun | pyromance: I was looking at the ones that plug into ISA/PCI slots in an existing machine |
| 21:04.20 | pyromance | Oh.. never had the pleasure |
| 21:04.22 | mark | Twiun: 6 486s? tha ts not gonna give u much muscle is it? |
| 21:04.31 | pyromance | The closest I come to small form factor is my PyroBriefcase |
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| 21:04.41 | Twiun | mark: I'm cheap... they do P4's as well |
| 21:04.42 | *** join/#zaurus DrPascal (DrPascal@rsa30.rsaconference.net) |
| 21:04.44 | DrPascal | Hello all |
| 21:04.52 | mark | Twiun: now you're talking |
| 21:04.57 | DrPascal | Anyone want to help me out and DCC me libqpe.so.1 ? |
| 21:05.07 | mark | pyromance: heh, thats quite cool |
| 21:05.18 | Twiun | pyromance: http://www.digitaltechinc.com/rocky-4784evg.pdf |
| 21:05.30 | Twiun | mark: but think of the heat :) |
| 21:05.53 | pyromance | It's pretty, but why do they bother with the ISA bridge? |
| 21:06.06 | pyromance | mark: http://pyromaniac.net/briefcase |
| 21:06.08 | mark | http://pyromaniac.net/briefcase/pyrocar/open-box-on-trunk.jpg -- loks like you're about to try and blow the thing up |
| 21:06.13 | mark | pyromance: yeh, igoogled |
| 21:06.17 | pyromance | haha |
| 21:06.48 | pyromance | I am having a bit of trouble installing Linux on it because a: no floppy connector. b: no CDROM nor space for one, and c: I'm too lazy to tear out the hard drive and use a different box to install it |
| 21:07.05 | Twiun | pyromance: I think the ISA bridge is for synchronisation and hot-swapping :) |
| 21:07.11 | Twiun | pyromance: oh, and power |
| 21:07.53 | pyromance | Neat... yeah, I suppose all bus bandwidth available is good bus bandwidth on a single-board PC |
| 21:08.30 | Twiun | imagine... your sbc dies, pull it out ans swap in a new one - no downtime |
| 21:09.17 | pyromance | Twiun: Imagine your whole box dies. No problem... you're on an Alteon load balancer ;) |
| 21:09.18 | pyromance | hehe |
| 21:09.54 | Twiun | right, but you could have quite a few of these sbcs in your rack |
| 21:10.01 | pyromance | Good point |
| 21:10.03 | Twiun | but yeah, a load balancer is cool too |
| 21:10.22 | pyromance | And they're a loght lighter than the friggin 80 pound 5U servers I had to haul around the data center last night :() |
| 21:10.28 | pyromance | My arms and back hurt |
| 21:10.38 | pyromance | Luckily it's my Friday ... no more work for three days |
| 21:10.41 | Twiun | now fit them with fiber channel scsi and gigabit ethernet.... |
| 21:10.45 | Twiun | lol |
| 21:11.05 | Twiun | actually... scrap scsi and go solid state :) |
| 21:11.13 | Twiun | if money's no problem |
| 21:11.57 | George- | Twiun: like, 700GB RAM? :) |
| 21:12.03 | pyromance | My company is so tight-assed that if you stuffed coal in their butt you'd get diamonds in a week ... and they'd keep it. |
| 21:12.15 | mark | pyromance: :) |
| 21:12.18 | George- | pyromance: rofl |
| 21:12.27 | Twiun | George-: HAH! a 1gig solid state drive usually costs about $1000 |
| 21:12.46 | Twiun | George-: those things are bloody expensive |
| 21:12.54 | pyromance | They hired me at $12/hour as a systems administrator ... They know the job market sucks. Thankfully I've moved beyond that in the year and change I've been there |
| 21:13.02 | George- | Twiun: hh |
| 21:13.10 | George- | Twiun: only 700,000 USD :) |
| 21:13.14 | Twiun | fun things to do with cheap SBCs ... http://eri.ca.sandia.gov/eri/howto.html |
| 21:13.27 | George- | Twiun: not a problem if you win "Who wants to be a Millionaire" :) |
| 21:13.35 | pyromance | Does OZ3.2 have loop FS support? |
| 21:13.53 | George- | Chris: "What are you going to spend your million quid on?" You: "Uhhh, I'm going to buy 500GB of solid state drives" |
| 21:14.06 | ivan | heh |
| 21:14.21 | Twiun | Hahaha |
| 21:14.48 | ivan | why not just buy 1000 flash cards? |
| 21:14.56 | George- | ivan: flash sucks |
| 21:14.57 | George- | :) |
| 21:14.59 | ivan | only 150k |
| 21:15.01 | pyromance | or better yet ... redundant hard drives. |
| 21:15.17 | ivan | 1000 * 512megabyte |
| 21:15.18 | pyromance | And a big honkin' IPS |
| 21:15.25 | pyromance | er UPS |
| 21:15.27 | pyromance | damn fingers |
| 21:15.34 | ivan | i think the problem is "noise" |
| 21:15.38 | pyromance | It's hot in here... I need a cooler CPU |
| 21:15.39 | George- | nah, I'd still go with the 500GB DDR RAM plan.. with a nuclear power station as the "backup battery" :) |
| 21:16.01 | Twiun | pyromance: what are the epia board's dimensions? |
| 21:16.07 | pyromance | The next Via EPIA rev should have an on-board CompactFlash slot for IDE boot. Woot |
| 21:16.24 | pyromance | twuin: 17cm by 17cm ... height is generally your ram size |
| 21:16.57 | Twiun | as that's what all the SBC boards are measured in... |
| 21:17.00 | Twiun | damn americans! |
| 21:17.13 | Wintre | Damn! |
| 21:18.07 | George- | pyromance: the specs of that briefcase aren't too good considering the size of it. |
| 21:18.28 | treke|home | s/of his/ of a / |
| 21:19.03 | George- | Twiun: damn frogs |
| 21:20.07 | George- | pyromance: what would you do to me if I slashdotted your site? :) |
| 21:20.20 | Twiun | pyromance: but in any case, I can't figure out if those half-size SBCs can work in a standard PC... so I'll probably go for a cheap epia solution |
| 21:20.53 | George- | is slashdotting more like a legal way to DDoS someone? :) |
| 21:21.03 | pyromance | George: My site isn't spectacular enough to be slashdotted. And I'm hosted by a porn hosting company (my employer) so I could handle the bandwidth but I'd have a bandwidth bill |
| 21:21.21 | pyromance | Twiun: Epia is CHEAP but you can't upgrade the proc ;) |
| 21:21.33 | Wintre | You know, a friend of mine once implemented a suggestion of mine in his perl IRC daemon |
| 21:21.33 | George- | pyromance: pr0n hosting company? yeuch... |
| 21:21.36 | Wintre | User mode +f |
| 21:21.38 | pyromance | Decaff: I purchased my Epia soon after they came out |
| 21:21.46 | Wintre | It translated everything a user said into "I'm a fucking moron." |
| 21:21.52 | George- | rofl |
| 21:21.53 | Twiun | pyromance: considering the price of the mobo... who cares? |
| 21:21.56 | decaff | pyromance: waited on tax refund |
| 21:22.04 | pyromance | George-: It was the only job I could find. Try being a UNIX/Apache sysadmin and security specialist in this job market! |
| 21:22.22 | George- | pyromance: you work for a pron company? |
| 21:22.27 | George- | pyromance: you are fucking disgusting |
| 21:22.28 | George- | :P |
| 21:22.29 | decaff | pyromance: any complaints about the board? |
| 21:22.31 | pyromance | No... I work for a web hostinf firm |
| 21:22.33 | pyromance | er |
| 21:22.35 | pyromance | hosting firm |
| 21:22.41 | pyromance | But a lot of our clients are porn |
| 21:22.46 | Wintre | pyromance: I wouldn't think it's *that* hard |
| 21:23.11 | chouimat | pyromance: George- is annoying about 29hrs a day |
| 21:23.31 | pyromance | decaff: No real complaints. The new boards have DDR and USB2/Firewire plus 5.1 sound and a floppy header... those are the only drawbacks to my (older model) board |
| 21:23.38 | pyromance | they work great as set-top boxes. |
| 21:23.47 | pyromance | And they're QUIET! |
| 21:23.48 | George- | kergoth`bbl: ***PING*** |
| 21:23.58 | ivan | Wintre: that's pretty useless since the user doesn't know that's what's being sent to everyone else |
| 21:24.13 | decaff | pyromance: agree...am running a epia 800 currently |
| 21:24.15 | Wintre | ivan: I dunno, it was pretty funny for everyone else :) |
| 21:24.16 | ivan | Wintre: irc doesn't send back your message |
| 21:26.57 | George- | Wintre: hehe ;) |
| 21:27.03 | George- | Wintre: just don't +f me, mister! |
| 21:27.24 | Wintre | If I had every bothered to learn IRC scipting.. |
| 21:28.24 | George- | Wintre: KVI++ is nice |
| 21:28.37 | George- | Wintre: (KVIrc's scripting language) |
| 21:29.10 | Wintre | Can I run it in screen on one machine so I can use the same client at home and at work? |
| 21:29.20 | pyromance | decaff: In what kind of case? |
| 21:29.37 | George- | Wintre: |
| 21:29.37 | George- | ? |
| 21:29.39 | George- | Wintre: ? |
| 21:30.35 | decaff | pyromance: currently a cubid, gonna use a Chyang Fun or squeeze it in an old NAD CD player i have laying around |
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| 21:33.21 | pyromance | Can I have your cubid? I want to upgrade the briefcase to an Epia M ;) |
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| 21:34.44 | decaff | pyromance: oldest daughter has already spoken for it |
| 21:36.20 | decaff | she's young enough to think everybody runs linux...so i don't have to reload it |
| 21:36.38 | George- | decaff: she's a linux user? |
| 21:36.46 | George- | nifty |
| 21:37.17 | decaff | George-:she is 10...she just doesn't know there is anything else |
| 21:37.26 | George- | decaff: cool |
| 21:37.37 | pyromance | OK this stinks ... When I edit the hancom ipk and fix the postinst scripts, the tar/gzip/tar/gzip it all back up, it gives me an error that it can't find the package when I try a reinstall! |
| 21:37.47 | George- | decaff: my school uses windoze, I use Linux :) |
| 21:37.57 | pyromance | A 10 year old girl linux user. When she's 18, she's mine. |
| 21:37.59 | pyromance | KIDDING! |
| 21:38.05 | George- | pyromance: lol |
| 21:38.19 | George- | pyromance: it's not unusual for people to be using linux at that age :) |
| 21:38.28 | decaff | pyromance: lol...now i know your not getting my cubid |
| 21:38.52 | George- | pyromance: 0wned |
| 21:38.53 | George- | :) |
| 21:38.54 | pyromance | Hey... I'm a low-budget geek! I need all the help I can get |
| 21:39.03 | George- | pyromance: mental help too :) |
| 21:39.21 | George- | I'm a low budget geek *cough cough* |
| 21:40.50 | mark | yeh, George- is a low budget geek with a tibook |
| 21:42.06 | pyromance | decaff: You an boot your Epia from a card reader? All my readers fail, but my USB memory keychains work fine |
| 21:42.16 | pyromance | Holy hell |
| 21:42.19 | pyromance | I FIXED HANCOM APPS |
| 21:42.34 | kergoth`bbl | pyromance: s/bash/sh/g;? |
| 21:42.37 | George- | pyromance: you're now going to jail for violating the DMCA |
| 21:42.43 | George- | kergoth`bbl: blah |
| 21:42.45 | George- | kergoth`bbl: it's finished |
| 21:42.49 | decaff | pryomance: its a ide cf reader |
| 21:42.49 | George- | kergoth`bbl: by the looks of it |
| 21:42.51 | pyromance | kergoth: Better |
| 21:42.54 | pyromance | I didn't touch the ipks |
| 21:43.01 | kergoth`bbl | ln -sf /bin/sh /bin/bash? |
| 21:43.01 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 21:43.07 | kergoth`bbl | George-: yep, i'm done. thanks again |
| 21:43.12 | pyromance | That won't work because busybox takes over sh |
| 21:43.21 | George- | kergoth`bbl: s'ok |
| 21:43.31 | George- | kergoth`bbl: now get off my machine ;) |
| 21:43.36 | kergoth`bbl | i am |
| 21:43.36 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 21:43.45 | George- | kergoth`bbl: I'm paranoid... :) |
| 21:44.13 | pyromance | But I still got /bin/bash to go to /bin/sh ... one-line shell script |
| 21:44.26 | George- | kergoth`bbl: i'm gonna halt it in 3 minutes k? |
| 21:45.29 | pyromance | You're going to down a Linux box on purpose? n00b. |
| 21:45.43 | George- | pyromance: uhm |
| 21:45.47 | George- | pyromance: get stuffed ;) |
| 21:45.58 | kergoth`bbl | George-: go ahead |
| 21:46.06 | kergoth`bbl | pyromance: i drop my box on purpose.. to boot onto new kernels |
| 21:46.13 | pyromance | http://www.ninjagear.net/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=38 |
| 21:46.23 | pyromance | kergoth`bbl: That's the way to do it |
| 21:46.39 | George- | pyromance: hrmm |
| 21:46.52 | George- | pyromance: that athlon isn't my box though :) |
| 21:46.57 | ljp_ | you let kergoth into your box? |
| 21:47.08 | George- | ljp_: no, I let kergoth into someone elses box ;) |
| 21:47.19 | George- | ljp_: well, it's my box, yeh |
| 21:47.34 | ljp_ | which is it? |
| 21:47.43 | pyromance | George: You wanted me to let you know when I got sheet working. well .. it is |
| 21:48.31 | George- | pyromance: dcc me the ipk ;) |
| 21:48.33 | George- | ljp_: hrmm? |
| 21:48.58 | pyromance | George-: I didn't touch the ipk |
| 21:49.11 | George- | pyromance: can you dcc me the ipk anyway? |
| 21:49.43 | pyromance | Heh... Let me get it off my Z. I think it needs Word installed too 'cause it uses the same image files for the icons |
| 21:49.47 | George- | kergoth`bbl: is the toolchain OK? |
| 21:49.59 | kergoth`bbl | seems to be |
| 21:50.05 | George- | great |
| 21:50.16 | George- | it'll say "built by george@platinum" right? :) |
| 21:51.33 | George- | "Built by an idiot, for idiots" |
| 21:51.35 | George- | :P |
| 21:52.18 | pyromance | George-: Only thing I did was echo "/bin/sh" > /bin/bash ; chmod 755 /bin/bash |
| 21:52.28 | George- | pyromance: I think your dcc is stuffed |
| 21:52.32 | George- | pyromance: can you upload it somewhere? |
| 21:52.36 | pyromance | And then the postinst scripts that want bash have it |
| 21:52.37 | pyromance | heh |
| 21:52.38 | pyromance | sure |
| 21:52.44 | pyromance | I'll put it on my porn server |
| 21:52.45 | pyromance | hehe |
| 21:53.48 | pyromance | Damn NAT firewall doesn't let anything through and I'm too lazy to open ports |
| 21:53.57 | George- | pyromance: fucker ;) |
| 21:54.16 | pyromance | http://pyromance.com/lust/hancom.tar.gz |
| 21:54.27 | George- | pyromance: I could be bothered to open up NAT for kergoth`bbl to trash my box, so you can be bothered to sort out nat :) |
| 21:55.35 | pyromance | Why? I have plenty of web space ;) |
| 21:55.54 | George- | pyromance: is that hosted on your DSL or something? |
| 21:56.01 | George- | pyromance: I'm getting ~18KB/s downstream |
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| 21:56.52 | pyromance | Naw.. it's a weekend and the brute-force and DDOS script kiddies like to spank the porn sites |
| 21:57.09 | pyromance | Plus I throttle myself down a bit to make room for the customers on high-bandwidth days. |
| 21:57.33 | sinclaird | how much memory would X need, should i get the 128 or 256mb SD card? trying to minimize tha cost |
| 21:57.43 | kergoth`bbl | s/memory/storage/ |
| 21:57.48 | pyromance | The actual upstream is dual gigabit pipes with an OC48 backup. You sure your brother isn't still sucking your bandwidth? |
| 21:58.11 | pyromance | sinclaird: If you go bigger, you'll thank yourself later |
| 21:58.19 | pyromance | Even if you just use it for MP3s ;) |
| 21:58.25 | George- | kergoth`bbl: pedantic bastard ;) |
| 21:58.28 | George- | pyromance: he probably is |
| 21:58.59 | George- | WTF |
| 21:59.07 | George- | hancomsheet just *won't* work |
| 21:59.19 | pyromance | What's it giving you? |
| 21:59.26 | sinclaird | anyone have ideas as to connecting a serial port to the Z??? |
| 21:59.33 | kergoth`bbl | sinclaird: buy a serial cable. |
| 21:59.39 | pyromance | Yeah... serialio does |
| 22:00.01 | pyromance | A Z with a serial cable is priceless when checking router status in a large data center :D |
| 22:00.05 | kergoth`bbl | indeed |
| 22:00.09 | George- | pyromance: AQPkg just *won't* create the symlinks when installing to SD |
| 22:00.19 | kergoth`bbl | George-: ipkg-link add hancomsheet |
| 22:00.21 | kergoth`bbl | George-: ta da |
| 22:00.28 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 22:00.29 | pyromance | Is your SD formatted ext2? |
| 22:00.34 | kergoth`bbl | okay im out again. bbl |
| 22:00.37 | sinclaird | so if i buy the cable will it appear as /dev/whatever? |
| 22:00.43 | pyromance | ttyS0 |
| 22:00.45 | George- | cya kergoth`bbl |
| 22:00.55 | pyromance | Later kergoth`bbl |
| 22:01.22 | kolla | good point.. what happens if you try to install to CF that has vfat on it.. vfat doesnt support symlinks does it? |
| 22:01.42 | pyromance | Nope... vfat can't symlink it's own nuts together. |
| 22:01.57 | kolla | hehe |
| 22:02.04 | George- | kergoth`bbl: thanks a lot! |
| 22:02.19 | George- | ipkg fucking sucks :) |
| 22:02.40 | George- | ;) |
| 22:03.08 | George- | fucking hell |
| 22:03.16 | sinclaird | anyone here using there zaurus in their car for dashpc? |
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| 22:03.24 | kolla | gimp on Z? *shrug* |
| 22:03.25 | George- | I still get the problem where if HancomSheet is launched via the launcher, it dies |
| 22:03.34 | George- | but if it's launched via the konsole.. |
| 22:03.35 | George- | it works |
| 22:04.52 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 22:04.55 | ljp_ | bloody hell! |
| 22:04.58 | pyromance | I can't duplicate that problem |
| 22:05.14 | George- | ljp_: shut your bloody mouth :) |
| 22:05.17 | ljp_ | dashpc? |
| 22:05.28 | ljp_ | bloody dashpc? |
| 22:05.32 | George- | ljp_: or I'll bloody well shut it for you |
| 22:05.34 | pyromance | George-: Does the console spew errors? |
| 22:05.44 | George- | pyromance: no |
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| 22:05.59 | George- | fuck it |
| 22:06.06 | George- | it's not like HancomMobileOffice is any good |
| 22:06.07 | pyromance | I used to have a dash PC then I made a major upgrade to the hardware involved and never reinstalled it ... The upgrade was to my car |
| 22:06.16 | pyromance | george: I installed it using ipkg and not aqpkg |
| 22:06.21 | pyromance | er |
| 22:06.22 | pyromance | yeah |
| 22:07.45 | kolla | isnt there a embedded koffice soon? :) |
| 22:07.59 | pyromance | I'd prefer an embedded OpenOffice |
| 22:07.59 | George- | kolla: If I could port it, I would |
| 22:08.06 | kolla | :) |
| 22:08.09 | George- | pyromance: it'd be much easier to port KOffice |
| 22:08.25 | kolla | personally I have absolutely no use for office apps on the Z |
| 22:08.26 | pyromance | Yeah... and Linux geeks like to do things the easy way |
| 22:08.36 | pyromance | Damn it ... one of the lights just flickerd out in my case. |
| 22:09.00 | kolla | reminds me, I was to install cyrilian inputs and font on mine |
| 22:09.41 | kolla | hm.. isn there some suitable app one can use for glosary training? |
| 22:10.23 | pyromance | I can write a shell script for it if you don't mind Konsole |
| 22:10.29 | pyromance | I can't program a damn thing if it's not in shell |
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| 22:12.36 | kolla | pyromance: than I can fix it myself :) |
| 22:12.39 | kolla | then |
| 22:13.05 | kolla | guess I could do something myself in opie-sh as well |
| 22:13.23 | kolla | or go to the long way and use pyqt |
| 22:15.59 | pyromance | Hey... you know there's PHP/SQL for the Z ... if you're a web coder you can go that route |
| 22:16.13 | pyromance | I just got espresso grounds all over my kitchen counter :( |
| 22:17.27 | pyromance | And now my espresso pot is making funny noises |
| 22:17.59 | kolla | pyromance: going that way would be utter overkill :) |
| 22:18.16 | pyromance | kolla: You should see some of my shell scripts |
| 22:18.27 | kolla | .. or perhaps not :) |
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| 22:26.11 | pyromance | gah... I bet I can peel paint from a car with this espresso |
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| 22:37.45 | pyromance | Damn it |
| 22:37.56 | George- | wb kergoth |
| 22:38.13 | pyromance | Is VNC not permitting keyboard input on OZ 3.2 a known issue or is it "just me?" |
| 22:38.39 | kergoth | pyromance: its due to busybox mknod being broken. the vnc server startup script created a keyboard event simulation device, which is hosed due to the busybox mknod brokenness |
| 22:39.08 | George- | kergoth: ouch |
| 22:39.31 | pyromance | kergoth: You're handy to have around. Thanks for all your work on the OZ project, by the way. |
| 22:39.46 | Wintre | kergoth: How's it broken? |
| 22:40.53 | George- | kergoth: you're an ass to have around ;) |
| 22:40.56 | pyromance | Grr... BAD KITTY ... No chew stylus! |
| 22:41.26 | George- | pyromance: at least the cat FOUND IT, unlike ivan |
| 22:45.19 | pyromance | Now I'm not into binary level stuff, but is it possible to just copy over the Sharp ROM's mknod? |
| 22:45.40 | kergoth | assuming they arent using busybox mknod, yes. |
| 22:45.53 | George- | they're probably using busybox mknod |
| 22:46.02 | kergoth | probably. |
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| 22:46.07 | George- | but you can always copy across the busybox binary as "mknod" in /bin |
| 22:46.07 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 22:46.08 | George- | or whatever |
| 22:46.16 | kergoth | indeed. |
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| 22:46.17 | pyromance | That's what I was assuming |
| 22:46.22 | George- | ie - rename the sharp rom's busybox binary to "mknod" then shove it in /bin |
| 22:46.41 | George- | busybox works out what command it is pretending to be from the first argument (ie - the binary name) |
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| 22:47.43 | pHluid | How can I use aqpkg from the cmd line to run a package upgrade scan? |
| 22:47.55 | kergoth | pHluid: what? |
| 22:48.02 | kergoth | what exactly is a package upgrade scan? |
| 22:48.17 | pHluid | f~kergoth: Compare versions installed with those on the feeds... can you not do that? heh |
| 22:48.34 | kergoth | what? |
| 22:48.45 | kergoth | there is no 'compare versions installed with those on the feeds' |
| 22:48.55 | kergoth | there is ipkg update, which updates the local info about what packages are available upstream |
| 22:49.09 | kergoth | and there is ipkg upgrade, which upgrades every package or a supplied packagename to the latest available version |
| 22:50.03 | pHluid | f~kergoth: The latter |
| 22:50.06 | pHluid | is what I'm looking for |
| 22:50.08 | pHluid | heh |
| 22:50.54 | pHluid | Isn't that what I described? or... heh |
| 22:51.08 | George- | kergoth: heh |
| 22:51.21 | George- | kergoth: you tell him! |
| 22:51.22 | George- | ;) |
| 22:51.30 | cozzano | hello all |
| 22:51.31 | pHluid | Sorry if my wording wasn't exactly correct :P |
| 22:51.44 | George- | pHluid: you mean, your wording was fucking awful? :) |
| 22:51.50 | cozzano | is there a program for the z which will plot graphs etc? |
| 22:51.54 | pHluid | f~George-: Die :P |
| 22:52.02 | George- | f~? |
| 22:52.28 | pyromance | coz: There are a couple that plot functions including a TI85 emulator... what do you need it to do? |
| 22:52.29 | pHluid | Nick complete fubar; combination of my IRC script and psybnc's multiple network support. |
| 22:53.00 | George- | pHluid: no 1. Get off mIRC, no 2. Trash all your scripts no 3. Get linux |
| 22:53.43 | kergoth | pHluid: no, ipkg upgrade does more than compare versions. |
| 22:53.43 | pHluid | ANYWAYS |
| 22:53.56 | George- | pHluid: or if you want to stay in your lame windoze world, get XChat Win32 |
| 22:53.58 | kergoth | pHluid: ipkg upgrade obtains the latest available version of every package you have installed, and *installs them* |
| 22:54.01 | cozzano | pyromance: it's just to plot results from experiments, which I can then import to excel/OO.org when I get home |
| 22:54.04 | kergoth | comparing versions doesnt imply action |
| 22:54.14 | pHluid | f~kergoth: OK, I get it :P |
| 22:54.22 | pHluid | How can I do it from the cmdline? |
| 22:54.26 | kergoth | pHluid: your script is really fucking annoying |
| 22:54.27 | kergoth | pHluid: i just told you. |
| 22:54.33 | kergoth | 17:49 <@kergoth> there is ipkg update, which updates the local info about what packages are available upstream |
| 22:54.36 | kergoth | 17:49 <@kergoth> and there is ipkg upgrade, which upgrades every package or a supplied packagename to the latest available version |
| 22:54.39 | kergoth | 'ipkg update' |
| 22:54.40 | kergoth | too difficult for you? |
| 22:54.43 | kergoth | 'ipkg upgrade' |
| 22:54.58 | kergoth | seems pretty straightforward to me. |
| 22:55.16 | George- | pHluid: turn off that script |
| 22:55.21 | pyromance | damn it... cramfs isn't in OZ |
| 22:55.23 | pHluid | Wasn't sure that was the entire command. |
| 22:55.29 | George- | pyromance: it's jffs2 |
| 22:55.30 | kergoth | pyromance: what? |
| 22:55.49 | pyromance | # modprobe cramfs |
| 22:55.49 | pyromance | modprobe: Can't locate module cramfs |
| 22:55.51 | kergoth | ~/5600$ cat packages/kernel-collie/defconfig |grep CRAMFS |
| 22:55.52 | kergoth | CONFIG_CRAMFS=y |
| 22:55.57 | kergoth | its built into the kernel monolithically |
| 22:55.59 | kergoth | not as a module |
| 22:56.07 | kergoth | George-: are we assailed by ineptitude today or what? |
| 22:56.13 | George- | kergoth: hrmm? |
| 22:56.21 | kergoth | ibot: dict inept |
| 22:56.30 | kergoth | George-: ^^ |
| 22:56.32 | George- | kergoth: :) |
| 22:56.41 | George- | kergoth: I have ibot on ignore ;) |
| 22:56.44 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 22:56.45 | pHluid | Using a dictionary to look up ineptitude is a bit ironic, isn't it. |
| 22:56.48 | George- | kergoth: for all but /msg |
| 22:56.53 | George- | kergoth: but I take your point :) |
| 22:57.04 | kergoth | pHluid: not really. inept != ignorant |
| 22:57.21 | George- | pHluid: you are stupid |
| 22:57.22 | George- | :) |
| 22:57.32 | pHluid | George: Fucking blow me. |
| 22:57.39 | Wintre | phluid: Being unable to find "inept" would be more ironic ;) |
| 22:57.40 | George- | pHluid: paedophile. |
| 22:57.50 | pHluid | "pedophile?" |
| 22:57.52 | kergoth | Wintre: indeed |
| 22:58.02 | Wintre | fluid: He's a Brit |
| 22:58.07 | Wintre | He likes to misspell things. |
| 22:58.08 | chouimat | pHluid: don't mess with George- that it's only purpuse om life |
| 22:58.19 | George- | Wintre: nah, we just know how to use dipthongs ;) |
| 22:58.41 | Wintre | No definitions found for "dipthong", perhaps you mean: |
| 22:58.41 | Wintre | gcide: Diphthong |
| 22:59.00 | George- | Wintre: hrmm, yeh, probably ;) |
| 22:59.10 | George- | Wintre: I always get that damn word wrong :) |
| 22:59.39 | Wintre | s/spell/paste/ |
| 22:59.45 | George- | Wintre: no, I can spell it |
| 22:59.48 | pHluid | Heh. |
| 22:59.52 | George- | Wintre: :) |
| 22:59.54 | Wintre | Suuuuuure you can |
| 22:59.58 | George- | Wintre: heh |
| 23:00.06 | George- | Wintre: I memorized it when I was bored |
| 23:00.13 | George- | Wintre: a few years ago |
| 23:00.25 | George- | but anyway |
| 23:00.33 | George- | pHluid: you're a p[a]edophile |
| 23:00.44 | George- | :D |
| 23:00.56 | Wintre | You know, I have a friend who started IRCing when he was about 14 or so |
| 23:01.04 | Wintre | That was a long age ago |
| 23:01.05 | pHluid | Insults have a lot more impact if they have some basis in reality, you know. |
| 23:01.13 | Wintre | He was never this irritating. |
| 23:01.24 | George- | Wintre: I'm an exceptionally annoying person |
| 23:01.29 | kergoth | George-: we can tell. |
| 23:01.35 | George- | kergoth: heh |
| 23:02.05 | George- | I'm only referring to the fact that pHluid told me to blow him |
| 23:02.12 | George- | and that he's a paedophile |
| 23:02.16 | Wintre | Jesus |
| 23:02.19 | George- | :) |
| 23:02.33 | chouimat | Wintre: he's definitly a fucking moron (george) |
| 23:02.47 | ljp_ | haha |
| 23:02.47 | pyromance | dipthong ... Is that a risque bathing suit? |
| 23:03.00 | George- | pyromance: hehe |
| 23:03.03 | pHluid | Kergoth: I'm sure this is another rediculous question, but does ipkg update uninstall/install new packages 'on the fly', meaning download, uninstall, install new pkg, clean up, or does it mirror all the packages with newer versions and then do the updates? |
| 23:03.05 | Wintre | pyro: It's a thong that dips way low in the front and back |
| 23:03.13 | chouimat | pyromance: no it's the bathiong suit with a string |
| 23:03.19 | kergoth | pHluid: ipkg update does nothing. |
| 23:03.25 | George- | pHluid: ipkg update does not uninstall/install packages at all |
| 23:03.30 | kergoth | pHluid: ipkg update wgets Packages files to /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/ .. thats all |
| 23:03.31 | chouimat|away | brb |
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| 23:03.48 | kergoth | pHluid: ipkg upgrade on the other hand, downloads one package at a time, and drops the new files in place, then goes on to the next package |
| 23:03.54 | pHluid | ipkg upgrade being the command that specificies action? |
| 23:03.58 | pHluid | Aha. |
| 23:03.59 | kergoth | yes |
| 23:04.47 | pHluid | Does it keep the original ipkg's, or remove them after each install? |
| 23:04.52 | George- | removes |
| 23:04.54 | kergoth | no ipks are cached |
| 23:05.01 | pHluid | I only ask because of space constraints right now |
| 23:05.11 | kergoth | wouldnt be appropriate for an embedded, resource contrained device |
| 23:05.12 | pHluid | Allright, thanks |
| 23:05.21 | kergoth | it puts the ipk in /tmp, which is ramfs, then yanks when its done |
| 23:05.24 | kergoth | np |
| 23:05.30 | kergoth | ~lart ipkg |
| 23:05.40 | pyromance | Ahem |
| 23:05.42 | pyromance | this isn't a PDA |
| 23:05.47 | pyromance | It's a "personal mobile tool" |
| 23:05.48 | George- | kergoth: resource-constrained? 10 years ago it would have been a supercomputer ;) |
| 23:06.05 | George- | pyromance: who said it was a PDA? |
| 23:06.19 | pyromance | George-: ibot ;) |
| 23:07.01 | George- | (and silicon) |
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| 23:12.23 | pyromance | OK ... copying over the old busybox to /bin/busybox.old and then linking mknod to it didn't do the trick.. still no keyboard input from fbvncserver |
| 23:12.51 | George- | pyromance: wth |
| 23:12.52 | kergoth | you have to reboot. |
| 23:13.00 | kergoth | it creates the device in the startup script |
| 23:13.18 | George- | oh wait |
| 23:13.24 | George- | forget what I just said :) |
| 23:15.30 | mutexer | Personal Mobile tool with a battery not built for mobile use :) |
| 23:15.41 | George- | mutexer: well said |
| 23:16.39 | pyromance | It's built for mobile use ... as long as you don't plug anything into it or turn on the backlight |
| 23:18.30 | pyromance | kergoth: Sweet... rebooting worked and fbvncserver gives me text now... but what are the odds that the new busybox mknod will break something else? |
| 23:18.52 | George- | kergoth: well, it won't break anything else as much as the other busybox mknod did ;) |
| 23:18.59 | George- | s/kergoth/pyromance/ |
| 23:19.15 | kergoth | pyromance: it'll work fine. dont worry about ti. |
| 23:19.17 | kergoth | it, rather. |
| 23:19.24 | pyromance | Sweet. |
| 23:19.32 | George- | cya kergoth`bbl |
| 23:33.00 | George- | whoa |
| 23:33.04 | George- | freeciv totally rocks |
| 23:33.57 | chouimat | and George- totally sucks |
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