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| 00:57.50 | George`Work | hey raster |
| 00:58.11 | kergoth | yo raster, whats goin on |
| 00:58.27 | ChipX86 | hey raster, long time no see |
| 00:58.59 | raster | George`Work: hey |
| 00:59.01 | George`Work | raster is popular |
| 00:59.02 | George`Work | :P |
| 00:59.03 | raster | kergoth: mornin |
| 00:59.07 | kergoth | indeed |
| 00:59.11 | raster | ChipX86: hey hey! yeah.. where ya been? |
| 00:59.21 | raster | George`Work: nah. the channel is just bored :) |
| 00:59.33 | George`Work | raster: do you know a guy called Chris "Boris" Ross? |
| 00:59.37 | ChipX86 | raster: around :) been hackin' on gaim a lot lately, so I'm primarily in #gaim |
| 01:00.17 | raster | George`Work: aye, i do. |
| 01:00.42 | George`Work | raster: thought so |
| 01:00.45 | George`Work | raster: just wondering,heh |
| 01:00.49 | raster | George`Work: good guy. wrote an awsome scripting lang, byte compielr, parser & executer. perfect for makign sandboxes scripts/extensions with. |
| 01:00.59 | raster | ChipX86: aaaaah there! |
| 01:01.06 | George`Work | raster: I was like "You know *The Rasterman*!??!" |
| 01:01.09 | George`Work | raster: hehe |
| 01:03.47 | raster | hehehe |
| 01:04.23 | Neo|Work | I even know a guy named like John Romero. heh |
| 01:04.27 | raster | yeah haung out with boris in london drinks, partying, ministry of sounds drunkeness |
| 01:04.49 | raster | also caught up with him last time i was in toyko.. no wait.. time before that... hew was there on hsi way back to the uk. |
| 01:05.15 | George`Work | raster: why's he called Boris? |
| 01:05.20 | raster | dunno |
| 01:05.25 | George`Work | raster: (I know him from the Linux7k project) |
| 01:05.27 | raster | chris ross is his real name |
| 01:05.34 | George`Work | I know |
| 01:05.38 | George`Work | <George`Work> raster: do you know a guy called Chris "Boris" Ross? |
| 01:05.40 | raster | i just swap whatveer name i use |
| 01:07.35 | George`Work | heh |
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| 01:17.27 | George`Work | wb raster |
| 01:19.13 | raster | damn irc |
| 01:19.15 | raster | pffft |
| 01:19.35 | George`Work | raster: no, DAMN FREENODE :) |
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| 01:20.20 | rev | yooo |
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| 01:48.51 | kergoth | win 15 |
| 01:48.53 | kergoth | bleh |
| 01:50.45 | George`ZZZZZZZZZ | kergoth: what? |
| 01:51.04 | George`ZZZZZZZZZ | which is better? C++ or Objective-C? |
| 01:51.14 | George`ZZZZZZZZZ | (not wanting to be flamebait) |
| 01:51.46 | kergoth | dont know anything about objective c, myself |
| 01:52.02 | George`ZZZZZZZZZ | I've heard many bad things about C++ |
| 01:52.13 | George`ZZZZZZZZZ | heh |
| 01:52.18 | warmi | George: that ZZZ stuff is a bit annoying |
| 01:52.32 | fliplap | George`ZZZZZZZZZ: well, its depends, do you want to use emacs or vi? |
| 01:52.33 | George- | FINE |
| 01:52.40 | George- | fliplap: vi dammit VI! |
| 01:52.48 | kergoth | vim |
| 01:52.52 | warmi | George: now I am gonna be an asshole for a change .. |
| 01:52.54 | George- | kergoth: same thing :) |
| 01:52.57 | warmi | heh |
| 01:53.01 | George- | warmi: fuck you! |
| 01:53.02 | George- | :) |
| 01:53.15 | George- | warmi: that's subordinate to kergoth! |
| 01:53.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:53.24 | George- | s/sub/insub/ |
| 01:53.30 | George- | insubordination! |
| 01:53.34 | kergoth | i dont hold a monopoly on asshole-ness |
| 01:53.40 | warmi | hehe .. since english is not my first language ... "fuck you" doesn't quite have that punch .. |
| 01:53.41 | warmi | heh |
| 01:53.51 | George- | warmi: isn't it? |
| 01:53.55 | George- | warmi: what is? |
| 01:54.02 | warmi | Chinesse |
| 01:54.02 | fliplap | swahili? |
| 01:54.08 | George- | warmi: lies |
| 01:54.15 | fliplap | cause i can be pretty offensive in swahili |
| 01:54.17 | George- | warmi: it's polish or something iirc |
| 01:54.18 | George- | :P |
| 01:54.21 | warmi | hehehe |
| 01:54.29 | warmi | you can read Chinesse right ? |
| 01:54.32 | George- | kergoth: yes you do |
| 01:54.34 | George- | kergoth: :) |
| 01:54.44 | George- | kergoth: all assholes hold a monopoly, just look at Bill Gates |
| 01:54.46 | fliplap | kambafu! kulamavi na kufa |
| 01:54.58 | kergoth | bah |
| 01:55.03 | warmi | fliplap: fuck man .. that was brutal |
| 01:55.05 | warmi | :-) |
| 01:55.19 | fliplap | Idiot! Eat shit and die |
| 01:55.27 | George- | fliplap: rofl |
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| 01:55.36 | George- | fliplap: where'd you pick that up? |
| 01:55.38 | George- | Fri Apr 11 02:55:13 BST 2003 |
| 01:55.40 | George- | hrmm |
| 01:55.48 | fliplap | George-: my mom was in the peace corps |
| 01:55.56 | fliplap | in kenya |
| 01:56.09 | warmi | are you sure it was "the peace corps" ? |
| 01:56.25 | George- | "<kergoth> cause i'm a really forgetful motherfucker" |
| 01:56.27 | George- | :) |
| 01:56.32 | kergoth | indeed |
| 01:56.56 | warmi | man .. something happened to George recently .. |
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| 01:57.16 | warmi | I mean, he became "radicalized asshole" as opposed to just being an asshole |
| 01:57.16 | warmi | heh |
| 01:57.16 | fliplap | puberty? |
| 01:57.23 | George- | warmi: hrmm? |
| 01:57.40 | warmi | or in another words "extreme asshole" |
| 01:57.56 | warmi | ha .. |
| 01:58.03 | George- | how am I being an extreme asshole? |
| 01:58.25 | warmi | I saw your "conversation" with chuimat |
| 01:58.33 | warmi | heh |
| 01:58.36 | fliplap | you haven't seen an extreme asshole until you've seen someone make plans to pick up on 2 hot girls because thier mother only has a month to live |
| 01:58.36 | George- | I can't remember |
| 01:58.42 | fliplap | thats being an extreme asshole |
| 01:58.46 | kergoth | fliplap: aha |
| 01:58.54 | George- | warmi: I have lots of "flaming^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hconversations" with chouimat |
| 01:59.17 | warmi | yeah, I have noticed |
| 01:59.18 | warmi | heh |
| 01:59.30 | warmi | nothing that there is anything wrong with that .. of course |
| 01:59.30 | fliplap | man, i haven't done shit today |
| 01:59.32 | George- | warmi: I hate that motherfucker |
| 01:59.48 | fliplap | i'll study when the sun goes down...yea, thats it |
| 01:59.48 | warmi | uh .. "nothing" = not .. |
| 01:59.49 | George- | fliplap: you flatulent bastard! |
| 01:59.51 | ljp | you hate chouimat? |
| 01:59.58 | George- | ljp: you didn't notice? :) |
| 02:00.03 | warmi | I was thinking about "nothing" and nothing came out instead of "not" |
| 02:00.04 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:00.08 | ljp | I'm going to tell him |
| 02:00.25 | George- | ljp: he already knows ;P |
| 02:02.00 | warmi | George- : again, what's wrong with chouimat ? why is he considered "that motherfucker" ? |
| 02:02.03 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:02.12 | George- | warmi: WHY!?!?!? I need to EXPLAIN!?!?! |
| 02:02.17 | kergoth | George-: YES |
| 02:02.18 | George- | warmi: bloody hell... |
| 02:03.06 | George- | warmi: basically, he's fucking arrogant, and thinks that because I'm younger than him he can do evil things to me (like Microsoft has done evil things unto the world) |
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| 02:03.22 | George- | warmi: that's putting it VERY bluntly |
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| 02:03.34 | ljp | george: he speaks french. they all think that way ;) |
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| 02:03.39 | George- | kergoth: you fucking bastard :) |
| 02:03.40 | Spec | What's the best sound player for the Zaurus? ^.^ |
| 02:03.42 | ljp | George-: he speaks french. they all think that way ;) |
| 02:03.48 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:03.51 | ljp | opieplayer |
| 02:03.57 | George- | ljp: oh yah, I forgot the fact that's he's a franco-canadian :) |
| 02:04.09 | George- | Spec: I'd say xmms |
| 02:04.12 | kergoth | god g++ is fucking slow. |
| 02:04.18 | George- | kergoth: 3.2? |
| 02:04.22 | kergoth | any |
| 02:04.28 | kergoth | gcc in general is slow |
| 02:04.31 | ljp | ahh the ole English vs. French thing. your just mad cause france won the world cup |
| 02:04.46 | Spec | Isn't xmms only for OZ? |
| 02:04.48 | George- | ljp: no |
| 02:04.53 | kergoth | nah george wishes he had a cat named bob, its a hatred born of jealousy |
| 02:04.53 | George- | ljp: we hate the damn frogs ;) |
| 02:05.17 | warmi | ljp:actually, they lost pretty badly . |
| 02:05.28 | ljp | :D |
| 02:05.34 | warmi | you missed |
| 02:05.35 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:06.12 | warmi | George- do you even watch soccer ? |
| 02:06.18 | George- | warmi: I hate soccer |
| 02:06.24 | George- | warmi: :) |
| 02:06.39 | warmi | oh well .. that's suprising |
| 02:06.44 | warmi | george hates something |
| 02:06.45 | George- | warmi: I'm the freak that does Archery and Rifle Shooting as sports |
| 02:07.13 | George- | bleh, 3:06am |
| 02:07.29 | George- | kergoth: sadist |
| 02:07.33 | George- | kergoth: KNIFE THROWING? :) |
| 02:07.51 | George- | kergoth: wouldn't you prefer having one of these: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/eric.rsoc/pict0276.jpg? |
| 02:07.57 | warmi | George- how is that any different than rifle shooting ? |
| 02:07.57 | kergoth | yeah. need to start juggling through, they're quite related |
| 02:08.05 | ljp | I prefer wife throwing |
| 02:08.08 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:08.08 | George- | warmi: you look more dangerous with a gun |
| 02:08.15 | kergoth | George-: hah |
| 02:08.15 | George- | warmi: :) |
| 02:08.20 | George- | kergoth: like it? |
| 02:08.25 | George- | kergoth: it's sitting behind me right now |
| 02:08.36 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:08.53 | warmi | knowing you .. you are probably snippnig at people at night ... |
| 02:09.01 | George- | it scares the shit out of people at school ;) |
| 02:09.24 | George- | they walk into my room, and I'm sitting there holding a fully equiped bow and an arrow is sitting in it :) |
| 02:09.38 | warmi | no shit .. george with the fucking arbalest |
| 02:09.53 | George- | ibot dict arbalest |
| 02:10.01 | George- | rofl |
| 02:10.04 | George- | ROFL |
| 02:10.10 | fliplap | oooo, anyone have pictures? |
| 02:10.31 | fliplap | i built a trebuchet out of coffee stirrers at work and i've been looking for a new project |
| 02:10.43 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:10.52 | fliplap | ibot dict trebuchet |
| 02:11.22 | warmi | George- arbalest is not a heavy war engine ... http://www.ku.edu/~medieval/melcher/matthias/old/log.started940917/mail-67.html |
| 02:11.41 | warmi | it is just another name for a crossbow ( or perhaps slightly improved crossbow) |
| 02:11.44 | George- | warmi: I'm heavy, dunno about war engine... |
| 02:11.54 | George- | warmi: oh, I can't get a crossbow |
| 02:11.57 | George- | warmi: requires a license |
| 02:12.01 | fliplap | mine was ~1.5' tall, could chuck a penny a few cubes over |
| 02:12.06 | George- | warmi: and no one in their right mind would give me a license ;) |
| 02:12.07 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:12.14 | George- | "What do you want to use it for?" |
| 02:12.22 | George- | "Scaring the shit out of people that annoy me at school" |
| 02:12.26 | George- | "Go away." |
| 02:12.27 | oGMo | "system administration" |
| 02:12.31 | George- | oGMo: haha |
| 02:12.32 | kergoth | oGMo: lol |
| 02:12.33 | fliplap | haha |
| 02:12.33 | oGMo | "what?" |
| 02:12.34 | warmi | heheh |
| 02:12.39 | oGMo | ;) |
| 02:13.01 | ljp | damn english need to license everything |
| 02:13.24 | George- | ljp: bah, Ididn't need to license my bow |
| 02:13.30 | George- | I want to get a rifle when I'm older though |
| 02:13.39 | George- | Problem is, it'll set me back a few thousand :( |
| 02:13.43 | warmi | is it even possible in UK ? |
| 02:13.49 | George- | warmi: hrmm? |
| 02:13.57 | warmi | to own a rifle |
| 02:14.01 | George- | warmi: of course |
| 02:14.10 | fliplap | geez |
| 02:14.14 | George- | warmi: I use army rifles at the moment |
| 02:14.15 | fliplap | a couple grand for a rifle? |
| 02:14.15 | George- | :) |
| 02:14.20 | George- | fliplap: no, more like 4 grand |
| 02:14.23 | George- | fliplap: (GBP) |
| 02:14.28 | George- | fliplap: for a good rifle |
| 02:14.31 | fliplap | ah |
| 02:14.43 | fliplap | you didn't say "good" before |
| 02:14.52 | warmi | 4 grand ? you talking M-60 here .. not " a rifle" |
| 02:15.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:15.11 | jwiz | I thought the UK didn't have guns or some kind of wackness like that. |
| 02:15.15 | George- | warmi: nah, I'm talking rifles |
| 02:15.20 | George- | jwiz: y'wot? |
| 02:15.20 | jwiz | just handguns? |
| 02:15.42 | jwiz | The police only have clubs, no? |
| 02:15.51 | George- | they have revolvers I think |
| 02:15.52 | ljp | maybe by the time george growd up, rifles _will_ be 4 grand |
| 02:15.52 | George- | No idea |
| 02:15.55 | warmi | of course that doesn't apply if you are a criminal .. only law-abiding people cannot own handguns in UK |
| 02:15.56 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:15.58 | George- | ljp: bah |
| 02:16.04 | jwiz | warmi: lol |
| 02:16.05 | fliplap | i thought they didn't allow anything over .22 caliber handguns? |
| 02:16.07 | George- | warmi: wtF??!?!? |
| 02:16.11 | George- | warmi: that's unfair! |
| 02:16.21 | George- | fliplap: I wouldn't know |
| 02:16.26 | George- | fliplap: I'm just a psycho with a gun |
| 02:16.34 | kergoth | pfft |
| 02:16.42 | kergoth | wannabe psycho maybe |
| 02:16.48 | kergoth | or a psycho wannabe |
| 02:16.48 | warmi | what do you mean unfair ? cops vs bad guys with public watching on the sidelines |
| 02:16.54 | _Psycho | ! |
| 02:17.00 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:17.00 | ljp | George-: you probably coulnt hit a can with a shotgun |
| 02:17.01 | kergoth | _Psycho: not you :) |
| 02:17.02 | _Psycho | stop making my screen red |
| 02:17.03 | _Psycho | =p |
| 02:17.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:17.04 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 02:17.17 | George- | ljp: I can hit a bullseye 1cm across at 25 yards |
| 02:17.24 | George- | ljp: with a shitty rifle |
| 02:17.33 | jwiz | does it knock you over? |
| 02:17.37 | George- | jwiz: .22 |
| 02:17.38 | ljp | haha |
| 02:17.38 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:17.41 | _Psycho | god so busy tonight leaving tomorow morng have to do laundry and pack, and burn some cd of music for the travel etc |
| 02:17.41 | warmi | 25 yards ? |
| 02:17.42 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:17.50 | _Psycho | getting numbers for my taxes |
| 02:17.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:17.51 | _Psycho | bleh |
| 02:17.51 | George- | warmi: yeh, that's the size of the school range |
| 02:17.58 | warmi | try 250 :-) |
| 02:18.02 | George- | warmi: I'll be shooting at Bisley next term... 300 yds :) |
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| 02:18.26 | fliplap | i hate my provider so much |
| 02:18.39 | warmi | it looks like hates you as well |
| 02:18.40 | fliplap | if they didn't have awesome news servers i would be so gone |
| 02:18.40 | George- | warmi: the sergeant major in charge of the CCF at my school has the world sniping record of a one-hit kill at 1400m |
| 02:18.44 | warmi | he hates you as well |
| 02:18.47 | George- | warmi: head shot |
| 02:19.03 | warmi | what is CCF ? |
| 02:19.09 | George- | Combined Cadet Force |
| 02:19.18 | George- | well, he's not in chargfe |
| 02:19.19 | warmi | are you in some sort of military college ? |
| 02:19.23 | George- | warmi: no |
| 02:19.30 | George- | warmi: ME, MILITARY? hahahaha |
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| 02:19.53 | warmi | well, you are running around with a damn crossbow .. I thought you were into these things |
| 02:19.56 | George- | warmi: We have an army section, like every other private school in the UK |
| 02:19.57 | ljp | uh huh |
| 02:19.57 | ljp | too bad he was aiming for the apple on his head |
| 02:20.09 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:20.26 | ljp | he goes to the school for delinquent kids |
| 02:20.31 | fliplap | hmm, a Cardan Trebuchet looks like a simple enough design |
| 02:20.33 | George- | --- [George-] #zaurus #e #Debian-Zaurus #KDE #kde-edu #kde-devel #mklinux #gentoo-ppc #intimate #handhelds.org #opie #openzaurus #PsiLinux @#eTux |
| 02:20.34 | George- | hrmm |
| 02:20.40 | George- | maybe I'm a bit too addicted to IRC |
| 02:20.53 | George- | a lot of them are channels I made up |
| 02:20.58 | George- | where I'm the only member :) |
| 02:21.04 | warmi | holly crap ... you do this kind of shit on every one of these channels ? |
| 02:21.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:21.21 | George- | warmi: no |
| 02:21.26 | George- | warmi: only in ones that kergoth sits in |
| 02:21.27 | George- | :) |
| 02:21.37 | ljp | only on ones with other people in them |
| 02:21.41 | George- | I'm perfectly sane on the KDE chans |
| 02:21.42 | George- | :) |
| 02:21.48 | George- | (nowadays, anyway) |
| 02:22.06 | George- | I apparently used to run around the KDE chans a year ago screaming "PIKACHU!" all the time |
| 02:22.23 | ljp | and got banned |
| 02:22.25 | jwiz | "apparently" ? |
| 02:22.31 | warmi | hehehe |
| 02:22.33 | jwiz | it was the "other" who lives in your body? |
| 02:22.36 | George- | ljp: I never actually got banned |
| 02:22.40 | warmi | lol |
| 02:22.47 | George- | jwiz: I can't remember that far back |
| 02:22.52 | George- | ;) |
| 02:22.57 | George- | selective memory loss |
| 02:22.57 | George- | haha |
| 02:23.40 | warmi | now he moved on to "FUCK YOU" |
| 02:23.43 | warmi | that's progress |
| 02:23.54 | George- | lol |
| 02:24.03 | George- | I just hate chouimat... :) |
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| 02:24.19 | George- | pumping linkin park out my speakers helps to sedate me |
| 02:24.50 | warmi | I am pretty sure a swift kick in the ass would work wonders as well |
| 02:24.52 | fliplap | cringe |
| 02:25.22 | George- | warmi: I've been sitting on my ass so much these days that it's basically non-existant |
| 02:25.36 | George- | warmi: it's been engulfed by the rest of my body |
| 02:25.36 | George- | heh |
| 02:25.55 | ljp | if youd remember to take your ritalin, it would help |
| 02:26.56 | George- | ljp: I don't take ritalin |
| 02:27.00 | George- | ljp: I just avoid taking in lemonade |
| 02:27.11 | George- | ljp: lemonade seems to make me go completely hyper |
| 02:27.17 | George- | ljp: problem is, I always drink it |
| 02:27.31 | ljp | as I said, if you would remember to take it... |
| 02:27.38 | ljp | ritalin that is :) |
| 02:27.47 | warmi | George- hehe .. a schizophrenic , crossbow wielding maniac on Ritalin |
| 02:28.08 | George- | warmi: IT'S NOT A CROSSBOW |
| 02:28.14 | George- | warmi: It's a recurve archery bow |
| 02:28.18 | George- | that cost £££ |
| 02:29.00 | ljp | he;s looking up the cost |
| 02:29.08 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:29.12 | George- | no I'm not |
| 02:29.23 | George- | If you want to know the cost, it was about £750 |
| 02:29.29 | George- | but that's irrelevant |
| 02:30.16 | George- | warmi: there *is* one territory I daren't cause havoc in though |
| 02:30.24 | George- | warmi: that's #kernelnewbies on OFTC |
| 02:30.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:30.34 | George- | warmi: I generally say absolutely nothing |
| 02:30.41 | kergoth | they'd boot your ass in 5 seconds flat |
| 02:30.47 | George- | kergoth: I know :) |
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| 02:31.40 | George- | actually, I said 1 one the other day |
| 02:31.46 | George- | <George-> hi kergoth |
| 02:31.47 | George- | :) |
| 02:31.49 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:31.50 | warmi | we need this kind of discipilne around here |
| 02:31.50 | kergoth | true that |
| 02:31.57 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (discipline) |
| 02:32.01 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@212.126.151.69) |
| 02:32.02 | George- | wth |
| 02:32.03 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:32.18 | George- | kergoth: you stupid fucking bastard, get fucked you incompetant asshole |
| 02:32.20 | George- | :) |
| 02:32.32 | kergoth | get fucked? if only. |
| 02:32.35 | George- | blah |
| 02:32.38 | George- | lol |
| 02:32.49 | George- | kergoth: i hope you get ravaged by a herd of savage elephants |
| 02:33.16 | George- | :) |
| 02:33.19 | George- | bah, 3:30am |
| 02:33.33 | warmi | George- of all words .. "incompetent" is the last one you would want to misspell |
| 02:33.49 | George- | ibot dict incompetant |
| 02:33.55 | George- | ibot dict incompetent |
| 02:34.00 | George- | weird |
| 02:34.04 | George- | I always thought it was an A |
| 02:34.21 | ljp | hehehe |
| 02:34.47 | George- | (that can spell Aluminium, honour etc correctly) |
| 02:35.14 | ljp | nnot |
| 02:35.20 | George- | warmi: hrmm, you're right :P |
| 02:35.21 | George- | damn you! |
| 02:35.23 | George- | BASTARD!! |
| 02:35.29 | ljp | or is that nout |
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| 02:35.42 | George- | *cringe* |
| 02:35.56 | warmi | btw George .. it is not QColour either :-) |
| 02:36.05 | George- | warmi: Damn that |
| 02:36.09 | George- | warmi: I know |
| 02:36.10 | George- | :( |
| 02:36.26 | chouimat | George-: farme ta calice de gueule |
| 02:36.34 | George- | chouimat: fuck off |
| 02:36.56 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:37.01 | chouimat | George-: 20 guinness .. try to drink more |
| 02:37.06 | George- | chouimat: fuck off |
| 02:37.13 | warmi | I know de gueule means a mouth ( in George case a snout) |
| 02:37.24 | ljp | george is showing off his literacy |
| 02:37.26 | George- | warmi: fuck off |
| 02:37.41 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:37.48 | chouimat | warmi ljp , I just drink 20 guiness |
| 02:38.18 | warmi | chouimat : is " cassez-vous " equivalent of fuck off in French ? |
| 02:38.19 | George- | chouimat: fuck off |
| 02:38.24 | ljp | woot! |
| 02:38.31 | George- | warmi: is baissez-vous "screw you"? |
| 02:38.39 | George- | chouimat: BAISSEZ-VOUS |
| 02:39.22 | warmi | I guess I shouldn't ask someone who had 20 beers questions like that .. |
| 02:39.33 | George- | warmi: we're on IRC, we're safe :) |
| 02:39.47 | George- | then again, those french... they can get up to some dirty tricks :P |
| 02:39.48 | warmi | George- nah .. you think you are safe |
| 02:39.49 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:39.59 | George- | warmi: I have a weapon :P |
| 02:40.22 | George- | at 4am, I'm going to bed |
| 02:40.23 | warmi | I don't know why .. but I don't consider Canadians as French ... even these who speak French |
| 02:40.24 | warmi | heh |
| 02:40.35 | George- | warmi: CHOUIMAT IS AN EVIL FROG |
| 02:40.46 | George- | brb |
| 02:40.53 | chouimat | treke|home: I eating |
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| 02:41.55 | chouimat | George-: go to sleep it\s 5h00am you fuckign asshole |
| 02:43.40 | George- | chouimat: funny, I was saying the same about you about an hour ago |
| 02:44.28 | George- | hrmm, chouimat is saying stupid things in #KDE-Devel |
| 02:44.31 | George- | the man's drunk! |
| 02:44.31 | George- | lol |
| 02:45.01 | chouimat | George-: and you still awake |
| 02:45.12 | George- | chouimat: obviously |
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| 02:45.34 | warmi | George- well, he has an excuse ... how about you ? |
| 02:45.41 | chouimat | warmi: thanks |
| 02:45.43 | George- | warmi: for what? |
| 02:45.53 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:46.10 | chouimat | warmi: 20 guiness? |
| 02:46.14 | George- | I'm perpetually brain damaged, I don't need alcohol to do it for me! |
| 02:46.32 | warmi | yeah .. I would be saying pretty stupid things on KDE if I had 20 beers |
| 02:46.41 | warmi | frankly, I woudn't be saying anything |
| 02:46.55 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:47.00 | George- | <chouimat> btw George-:is 15years old in english and |
| 02:47.11 | George- | That's just came out of the blue |
| 02:47.11 | warmi | how string is Guiness ? |
| 02:47.12 | George- | lol |
| 02:47.17 | warmi | standard 5% ? |
| 02:47.26 | warmi | string = strong |
| 02:47.47 | George- | warmi: are you drunk too, by any chance? :) |
| 02:47.55 | warmi | I wish |
| 02:50.00 | warmi | George- where in UK are you ? |
| 02:50.06 | George- | warmi: london |
| 02:51.33 | masticator | guinness goes great with meat pies. |
| 02:52.23 | NeoTron | tah, food should be here |
| 02:52.32 | George- | masticator: heh |
| 02:56.06 | warmi | what is a meat pie ? |
| 02:56.17 | warmi | I am not sure I understand that concept |
| 02:56.19 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:56.45 | krezel | what widget does one connect to to capture keyEvent()'s? |
| 02:56.53 | George- | warmi: it's a pie, filled with MEAT |
| 02:57.05 | treke|home | krezel: the widget you want events from |
| 02:57.11 | masticator | they are little hand held pies |
| 02:57.18 | masticator | with minced meat in them, with a little gravy |
| 02:57.22 | warmi | krezel every widget supports keyEvent |
| 02:57.31 | krezel | treke|home: so if I wanted it from the whole app, it would just be "this"? |
| 02:57.34 | masticator | its pub food |
| 02:57.37 | warmi | masticator : that sounds like a variation on pizza to me |
| 02:57.38 | warmi | heeh |
| 02:57.51 | George- | pizza? |
| 02:57.55 | George- | It's nothing LIKE pizza |
| 02:57.55 | masticator | yeah but it has no cheese. |
| 02:57.55 | George- | lol |
| 02:57.57 | treke|home | krezel: no, you'd want to chose your main widget more or less |
| 02:57.57 | krezel | haha |
| 02:57.59 | chouimat | George-: yes pizza |
| 02:58.01 | krezel | ok |
| 02:58.04 | George- | chouimat: fuck off |
| 02:58.07 | kergoth | mm pizza |
| 02:58.09 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (hi) |
| 02:58.16 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@212.126.151.69) |
| 02:58.19 | George- | kergoth: hi :) |
| 02:58.21 | masticator | wow you love kicking george. |
| 02:58.21 | treke|home | kick the baby! |
| 02:58.25 | treke|home | dont kick the baby |
| 02:58.28 | treke|home | kick the baby |
| 02:58.35 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (kergoth) |
| 02:58.36 | warmi | I need to try that "meat pie" |
| 02:58.39 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@212.126.151.69) |
| 02:58.40 | *** kick/#zaurus [treke|home!~masticato@ool-43512bbd.dyn.optonline.net] by masticator (masticator) |
| 02:58.42 | warmi | sounds interesting |
| 02:58.42 | chouimat | George-: I will fuck tonight .... Isabelle is here so shaddap |
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| 02:58.50 | George- | chouimat: isabelle is a sheep? |
| 02:58.59 | masticator | no, a she male. |
| 02:59.00 | George- | kergoth: gagagoogoo |
| 02:59.12 | chouimat | George-: no a 18 years chicks |
| 02:59.12 | kergoth | George-: thats more intelligent than your normal conversation |
| 02:59.18 | kergoth | George-: :) |
| 02:59.28 | George- | kergoth: bah |
| 02:59.39 | ljp | amusing channel tonight |
| 02:59.46 | warmi | hehehe |
| 02:59.52 | masticator | chou: you'd better make sure she really is 18 |
| 02:59.54 | kergoth | indeed. its almost like a friday. but not quite. |
| 03:00.02 | kergoth | ibot: thursday |
| 03:00.04 | | Thursday sucks, because it isnt friday (See friday). |
| 03:00.04 | krezel | George- is not knowlegable in the ways of the woman |
| 03:00.04 | treke|home | indead. |
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| 03:00.12 | warmi | hell, speaking of Friday .. tommorow is one |
| 03:00.25 | treke|home | ibot friday? |
| 03:00.26 | | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 03:00.29 | George- | Fri Apr 11 04:00:03 BST 2003 |
| 03:00.34 | George- | whoa |
| 03:00.38 | George- | It's friday here |
| 03:00.46 | ljp | well, duh |
| 03:00.50 | George- | lol |
| 03:00.51 | masticator | go to sleep george |
| 03:00.53 | treke|home | George-: shouldnt you be asleep by now? |
| 03:00.56 | chouimat | masticator: actually she 19 |
| 03:01.00 | George- | treke|home: probably |
| 03:01.06 | jwiz | http://brewery.org/brewery/library/AlClbinger.html |
| 03:01.31 | chouimat | masticator: and she very cute btw :) |
| 03:01.37 | ljp | photo! |
| 03:01.48 | kergoth | yep, gotta show us now to prove it |
| 03:01.52 | George- | chouimat: so, this er... sheep... you find her attractive? |
| 03:02.02 | George- | :P |
| 03:02.11 | darmou | This is 1.00pm Friday here |
| 03:02.14 | George- | 4 legs... wooly.. |
| 03:02.14 | George- | :P |
| 03:02.24 | George- | darmou: Au |
| 03:02.44 | chouimat | George-: better than friard Bernard |
| 03:02.46 | George- | yawn |
| 03:02.48 | George- | I'm tired |
| 03:02.48 | darmou | Geroge yep |
| 03:02.48 | masticator | chou: take a picture of her |
| 03:02.50 | George- | I'm going to bed |
| 03:03.00 | warmi | good night George |
| 03:03.03 | George- | masticator: take a picture of a meat pie :) |
| 03:03.08 | chouimat | masticator: yup but not nacked :) |
| 03:03.09 | George- | masticator: and send it to warmi |
| 03:03.14 | masticator | I dont have any frickin meat pies. |
| 03:03.17 | masticator | I wish. |
| 03:03.19 | George- | warmi: not much of the night left |
| 03:03.20 | George- | hah |
| 03:03.33 | masticator | I had chinese food for dinner about 3 hours ago and now I am hungry again |
| 03:03.42 | warmi | George- no, there is plenty left .. you are just in a wrong part of the world |
| 03:03.51 | chouimat | masticator: I have only 1 problems she 11 years younger than me :( |
| 03:04.06 | masticator | thats not a problem |
| 03:04.07 | George`ZZz | chouimat: you are a sick evil perverted french bastard |
| 03:04.10 | warmi | chouimat: uh ... that's not what I would call a" problem" |
| 03:04.11 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:04.28 | chouimat | warmi: yup she will be fresh longuer |
| 03:04.33 | George`ZZz | ok, I'm out |
| 03:04.37 | masticator | is she fully shaved |
| 03:04.45 | chouimat | masticator: nope |
| 03:04.51 | warmi | haha |
| 03:04.51 | masticator | hmm |
| 03:04.58 | George`ZZz | ok, when this channel goes into the realms of the X-rated, I evacuate |
| 03:05.07 | jwiz | shaving leads to stubble |
| 03:05.09 | kergoth | i can almost hear cloudchaser's scorn |
| 03:05.14 | jwiz | trimming, on the other hand... |
| 03:05.20 | masticator | lol I was gonna say the same thing |
| 03:05.23 | chouimat | ok guys keep teh xrated talk in here :) |
| 03:05.25 | George`ZZz | kergoth: I haven't seen cloudchaser for ages. heh |
| 03:05.29 | George`ZZz | ibot seen cloudchaser |
| 03:05.30 | | cloudchaser <~Cloudchas@ool-435684aa.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 43d 21h 8m 4s ago, saying: 'personally i don't give a shit about your sex lives'. |
| 03:05.30 | masticator | actually |
| 03:05.35 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:05.36 | George`ZZz | how relevant |
| 03:05.37 | chouimat | lol |
| 03:05.41 | masticator | we really should keep the xrated stuff in OpenEmbedded |
| 03:05.47 | kergoth | yeah, good call |
| 03:05.51 | masticator | cause god knows, a sharp person could be watching us |
| 03:06.02 | George`ZZz | lol |
| 03:06.04 | jwiz | and they don't have sex? |
| 03:06.10 | masticator | no |
| 03:06.12 | masticator | they dont |
| 03:06.14 | jwiz | dude |
| 03:06.18 | jwiz | it would suck to work for sharp |
| 03:06.19 | masticator | all of their sex lives suck |
| 03:06.22 | masticator | I know this for a fact |
| 03:06.27 | warmi | hahaha |
| 03:06.29 | jwiz | poor souls. |
| 03:06.31 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:06.31 | chouimat | masticator: I still feel a little ashamed for cloud but Isabelle read the log and she laughed |
| 03:06.33 | masticator | they keep them up working until 10 pm |
| 03:06.34 | masticator | frequently |
| 03:06.43 | George`ZZz | yeh, masticator tried to hit off with his colleague, Spencer Huang |
| 03:06.44 | masticator | they are so tired when they go home they just want to sleep |
| 03:06.47 | George`ZZz | OK, I'm out |
| 03:06.52 | George`ZZz | (for real) |
| 03:07.00 | masticator | Spencer is cute but he is not my type. |
| 03:07.00 | chouimat | bye George`ZZz |
| 03:07.14 | treke|home | masticator: dont like japanese guys? |
| 03:07.22 | masticator | spencer is chinese american |
| 03:07.24 | chouimat | masticator: you know him better than us :) |
| 03:07.36 | treke|home | ah so its chinese american men you dont like |
| 03:07.48 | masticator | I like chinese american girls just fine |
| 03:07.54 | masticator | I once had a chinese girlfriend |
| 03:07.58 | chouimat | masticator: Isabelle is a real French Canadian chisk |
| 03:08.04 | warmi | kergoth at least you won't be bored while this shit builds |
| 03:08.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:08.10 | masticator | chou: so she cant speak english? |
| 03:08.10 | kergoth | indeed |
| 03:08.11 | treke|home | arg. opie died again |
| 03:08.25 | kergoth | treke|home: networksettings? or something else this time? |
| 03:08.27 | chouimat | masticator: I speak it better than here |
| 03:08.33 | treke|home | network settings |
| 03:08.35 | chouimat | s/here/her |
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| 03:08.46 | treke|home | chouimat: shes that bad? |
| 03:08.48 | kergoth | treke|home: bleh. you did mrproper opie right? |
| 03:08.53 | kergoth | hey Com[Plex] |
| 03:08.53 | treke|home | I thought so |
| 03:08.54 | treke|home | maybe not |
| 03:08.58 | Com[Plex] | hey guys, where can I purchase the zaurus 1700mah bvattery? |
| 03:09.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:09.06 | Com[Plex] | sup |
| 03:09.07 | treke|home | i've had enough to drink that I may have missed it :) |
| 03:09.14 | Com[Plex] | I looked on the sharp site, but coudlnt find any |
| 03:09.15 | chouimat | treke|home: no she understand but don't ask her to speak |
| 03:09.15 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: cant use it with the 5500 anwyay, its physically larger |
| 03:09.16 | warmi | Com[Plex] : that's so anticlimatic |
| 03:09.22 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 03:09.23 | kergoth | bastards |
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| 03:09.26 | kergoth | and their 'on topic' |
| 03:09.27 | treke|home | chouimat: Perfect woman :) |
| 03:09.34 | masticator | not only is it physically larger but it is keyed to the 5600. |
| 03:09.45 | Com[Plex] | uh.. kergoth, too large to fit at all? or ke- |
| 03:09.47 | kergoth | masticator: yeah but you can cut that bit off |
| 03:09.48 | Com[Plex] | thank you masticator |
| 03:09.52 | Com[Plex] | oh? |
| 03:09.54 | kergoth | masticator: they did to put it in the c700 |
| 03:10.03 | masticator | yeah by using Mr. Dremel |
| 03:10.05 | warmi | treke hahaha |
| 03:10.05 | Com[Plex] | so will it FIT? jsut with no battery cover? |
| 03:10.06 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:10.12 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: dunno |
| 03:10.12 | Com[Plex] | im a master dremeler |
| 03:10.22 | kergoth | ah yeah, mr case mods & shit |
| 03:10.24 | chouimat | treke|home: she suffer the same problem as everyone here: we understand but don't ake us to speak |
| 03:10.25 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:10.28 | masticator | you have to dremel off a notch on the battery |
| 03:10.34 | Com[Plex] | actually, I dont need one. HSN has offered to buy me one, or refund the cost of one |
| 03:10.37 | masticator | and probably have some fun with composite |
| 03:10.59 | chouimat | ibot change 97 cad to usd |
| 03:11.02 | Com[Plex] | remember how I said HSN falsly advertised the 5500 as having a 1700 mah battery? |
| 03:11.22 | Com[Plex] | ibot needs to learn some syntactic variable |
| 03:11.23 | | Com[Plex]: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 03:12.11 | chouimat | wooohooo 1 cad is .687735usd |
| 03:12.19 | masticator | I must say, I envy you chou |
| 03:12.23 | masticator | never had a french girl |
| 03:12.34 | Com[Plex] | so.. someone just linked me to a site in here where the battery could be purchased. I want to See that site again so I can link HSN to it in the email im sending them. that wey they will haev a price to refund me for. hehe |
| 03:12.40 | masticator | Italian, Chinese, Israeli, but never French |
| 03:12.44 | chouimat | masticator: I got a german girl in Switzerland btw |
| 03:12.46 | masticator | I've even had blac |
| 03:12.48 | masticator | black |
| 03:12.49 | Com[Plex] | so. anyone who can help. Im in your debt |
| 03:13.00 | masticator | and several hispanics |
| 03:13.03 | masticator | but never french |
| 03:13.09 | treke|home | masticator: theres still time |
| 03:13.17 | masticator | never had german |
| 03:13.29 | chouimat | masticator: I didn't have an asian one yet ... 3 french chicks |
| 03:13.48 | kergoth | guys.. -> #openembedded |
| 03:13.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:13.49 | masticator | I'd trade you |
| 03:14.05 | treke|home | this really is more of an oe discussion |
| 03:14.06 | masticator | hey I got an idea. |
| 03:14.15 | chouimat | masticator: 1 swedish and 1 finnish ... why do you think I'm learning finnish :) |
| 03:15.19 | chouimat | anyone go to OLS? |
| 03:15.28 | masticator | yeah |
| 03:15.30 | masticator | I do |
| 03:15.48 | Com[Plex] | sol.. no one knows where to purchace the 5600 battery? |
| 03:16.09 | treke|home | order one from sharp |
| 03:16.22 | chouimat | masticator: I don't know if I will be able to see the conference but I can manage to be on the drinking pary |
| 03:17.12 | chouimat | s.pary/party |
| 03:17.26 | NeoTron | chouimat: you have a harem or something? didn't know that was legal in Canada |
| 03:17.42 | masticator | see, no problems now. |
| 03:17.53 | chouimat | NeoTron: no I just meet a nice girl 2 weeks ago |
| 03:18.08 | chouimat | masticator: when is OLS? |
| 03:18.14 | masticator | I think june |
| 03:18.37 | masticator | www.linuxsyposium.org |
| 03:18.54 | Com[Plex] | cant find the order form on the sharp page treke. |
| 03:18.57 | Com[Plex] | only for the 5500 |
| 03:19.10 | masticator | july |
| 03:19.15 | masticator | july 23 |
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| 03:21.05 | chouimat | masticator: or we can meet here in Quebec City :) |
| 03:21.56 | chouimat | kergoth: we have about 60 nice terasse here :) |
| 03:22.29 | masticator | I think we'll do an openembed weekend sometime |
| 03:23.06 | kergoth | hmm. you know, the next OZ release is going to kick some serious ass. |
| 03:23.24 | masticator | the new kernel one? |
| 03:23.33 | kergoth | yeah |
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| 03:23.50 | kergoth | that, plus the new init, a ton of other improvements, support for other devices than the 5500/5000d, etc |
| 03:23.52 | masticator | yeah then those hh.org guys can kiss our asses! |
| 03:24.02 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:24.02 | Matthew_I | can I revert to the original zaurus rom after installing openzaurus? |
| 03:24.06 | kergoth | Matthew_I: yep |
| 03:24.16 | Matthew_I | kergoth: how |
| 03:24.17 | masticator | Matthew: you can, but you really wont want to. |
| 03:24.21 | kergoth | before you go to oz, grab the creator scripts and build ipks |
| 03:24.25 | Matthew_I | cause Im thinking of going of |
| 03:24.26 | kergoth | then you wont need to go back |
| 03:24.27 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:24.29 | Matthew_I | i mean oz |
| 03:24.30 | kergoth | Matthew_I: read the faqs. |
| 03:24.34 | kergoth | Matthew_I: openzaurus.org |
| 03:24.54 | Matthew_I | and does oz sync with qtopia and evolution? |
| 03:25.02 | kergoth | yes |
| 03:25.10 | kergoth | as it says in the faqs, it can sync with qtopia desktop and intellisync |
| 03:25.12 | Matthew_I | kergoth: ok thanks, I think ill try it |
| 03:25.17 | kergoth | and it can sync with kdepim or evolution using kitchensync |
| 03:25.53 | kergoth | krezel: problems? |
| 03:26.49 | Matthew_I | kergoth: can I install oz without a cf card? |
| 03:27.10 | kergoth | technically yes, but said method isnt documented or publically available just yet |
| 03:27.17 | kergoth | so as far as you're concerned, no |
| 03:27.22 | Com[Plex] | hehehehehe |
| 03:27.25 | kergoth | which is what the faqs on openzaurus.org say |
| 03:27.28 | kergoth | if you bothered to read |
| 03:27.39 | Com[Plex] | I bet we could put together a "OSPACK" with oZ in it instead of sharp rom |
| 03:27.47 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i have |
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| 03:27.51 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its not a complex file format |
| 03:28.00 | Com[Plex] | did it work okay? |
| 03:28.06 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:28.07 | dhr | odd: the discussion seems to have drifted to the Zaurus. |
| 03:28.17 | kergoth | flashing ospack from cf is more dangerous than initrd.bin + zimage |
| 03:28.27 | Matthew_I | kergoth: the faq is like a database |
| 03:28.29 | kergoth | and you cant flash an ospack with the sharp udpater app by default, because it has a crc check |
| 03:28.38 | warmi | dhr: sucks .. doesn't it |
| 03:28.39 | kergoth | Matthew_I: yes, with both browse and searhc functions. |
| 03:28.39 | warmi | heh |
| 03:28.43 | kergoth | Matthew_I: use them |
| 03:29.01 | kergoth | now, a user ripped the crc check out of the sharp updater, and with that yes you can flash oz as an ospack from an sd card |
| 03:29.14 | Com[Plex] | !! |
| 03:29.24 | Com[Plex] | uh.. |
| 03:29.36 | Com[Plex] | hm. |
| 03:29.39 | kergoth | course you'd damn well better check the md5sum |
| 03:29.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:29.53 | kergoth | since flashing ospack is more dangerous |
| 03:30.09 | Com[Plex] | exactly. |
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| 03:30.19 | chouimat | anyone saw the mobue Strange Brew? |
| 03:31.47 | kergoth | chouimat: hey hoser |
| 03:31.51 | kergoth | i havent seen that shit in ages |
| 03:32.03 | chouimat | kergoth: I can have it |
| 03:32.12 | Matthew_I | the oz page says I need a cf card to install oz |
| 03:32.16 | Bala | its a classic |
| 03:32.19 | kergoth | Matthew_I: yes, it does. |
| 03:33.10 | chouimat | Bala: Canada best ;-P |
| 03:33.18 | Matthew_I | kergoth: I can find it |
| 03:34.20 | kergoth | hahahaha |
| 03:34.21 | kergoth | masticator: dood |
| 03:34.29 | kergoth | masticator: my last toolchain.. |
| 03:34.36 | kergoth | masticator: i figured out why it failed |
| 03:34.43 | kergoth | masticator: i had a typo. one missing character. one fucking character. |
| 03:35.16 | chouimat | kergoth: what the 1.2 toolchain don't work!!!!! |
| 03:35.42 | kergoth | chouimat: toolchains #6 and #7 i built today are hosed.. time to start build #8 |
| 03:35.59 | duplexer_wifi | Pour me out to . . . |
| 03:36.03 | duplexer_wifi | please :) |
| 03:36.12 | kergoth | Sugar: make duplexer_wifi a long island |
| 03:36.19 | treke|home | kergoth: better yet. time to go read and fall asleep |
| 03:36.19 | chouimat | kergoth: nah! no drink .... ok Isabelle just finished her Chemistry homework ... |
| 03:36.26 | duplexer_wifi | :))) |
| 03:36.27 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a scotch and water |
| 03:36.32 | kergoth | treke|home: hmm, not a bad idea |
| 03:36.39 | OctaneZ | anyone know if the zaurus works with the Sony PEGA-WL100 CF WiFi card? |
| 03:36.39 | kergoth | a bottle of scotch water? |
| 03:36.43 | kergoth | ~bitchslap Sugar |
| 03:36.45 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Sugar |
| 03:36.45 | treke|home | chouimat: biology time now, eh? |
| 03:36.53 | duplexer_wifi | hehe |
| 03:36.58 | chouimat | treke|home: yupm ;) |
| 03:37.12 | kergoth | chouimat: yupm, thats yup + yum, right? |
| 03:37.16 | kergoth | chouimat: :P |
| 03:37.32 | treke|home | he has to conserve his energy |
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| 03:37.41 | chouimat | kergoth: look I have a 18 years chick here with nothing on so ... |
| 03:37.44 | *** part/#zaurus FantasyFan (Compwiz79@user-38ldebm.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 03:37.50 | kergoth | chouimat: then get hte fuck off of irc |
| 03:38.01 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:38.19 | Matthew_I | I can't fine the file to execute to run qtopia for linux, i did an alien -i qtiopia.rpm |
| 03:38.23 | treke|home | kergoth: unfortunatly chouimat is too drunk to get it up |
| 03:38.27 | chouimat | kergoth: I can type while she "moutheded my wang" :) |
| 03:38.43 | krezel | chouimat: Dude... seriously, turn off the computer |
| 03:38.48 | chouimat | treke|home: |
| 03:39.15 | chouimat | haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baby that good ... stp vasy suce crisse .... |
| 03:39.48 | chouimat | OctaneZ: P |
| 03:39.49 | krezel | chouimat: get your dog out of your lap :) |
| 03:39.54 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:40.01 | OctaneZ | anyone know if the zaurus can use the Intel Pro Wireless chipset. |
| 03:40.08 | OctaneZ | chouimat: ? |
| 03:40.21 | chouimat | OctaneZ: NM |
| 03:40.29 | krezel | OctaneZ: chouimat claims hes getting head |
| 03:40.32 | chouimat | krezel: P |
| 03:40.33 | kergoth | OctaneZ: if linux supports it w/ pcmcia, the z will support it with CF |
| 03:41.14 | OctaneZ | woohoo, ultimately I want a socket card, but for $19 this is a can't miss |
| 03:41.20 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:41.56 | chouimat | kergoth: if you can find the album from Lullacry: Crucify my heart ... get it very fine finnish metal |
| 03:42.08 | krezel | finnish metal? |
| 03:42.12 | krezel | yikes |
| 03:42.29 | krezel | makes me think of Torvalds singing "Iron Butterfly" |
| 03:42.31 | Matthew_I | can some one tell me where I can find instructions on how to install oz without a cf card |
| 03:42.54 | chouimat | krezel: I have about 150 cd of 1500 that came from finland |
| 03:43.12 | Com[Plex] | where can I buy accessories for the 5600? |
| 03:43.22 | krezel | chouimat: shouldn't you be occupying your lady now? |
| 03:44.12 | chouimat | krezel: she need to write 2 pages for an english class so I have time :) |
| 03:45.17 | krezel | Ah |
| 03:46.27 | warmi | ChipX86 doesn't want to listen to this drivel anymore |
| 03:46.27 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:46.38 | chouimat | krezel: look you know ladies when she really need you, she will tell you :) |
| 03:46.43 | ChipX86|Gone | nah, just got some homework to do ;) |
| 03:47.06 | kergoth | warmi: he should know better.. we're never on topic :) |
| 03:47.16 | Com[Plex] | http://www.mobileplanet.com/vendor.asp?vendor_name=SHA |
| 03:47.19 | warmi | kergoth : hehe |
| 03:47.26 | ChipX86|Gone | the channels I hang out in have more mindless drivel than this ;) |
| 03:47.31 | Com[Plex] | replacement 5600 batteries sold there. |
| 03:47.44 | warmi | 5600 for $499 |
| 03:47.55 | warmi | that's a bit insane |
| 03:47.55 | krezel | nothign wrong with mindless drivel |
| 03:48.00 | kergoth | "Greetings! I've been a long time user of OZ, ever since last Friday." |
| 03:48.01 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:48.10 | warmi | hehehe |
| 03:48.12 | kergoth | thats a long time! |
| 03:48.13 | ChipX86|Gone | kergoth: well you know.. Internet time |
| 03:48.13 | krezel | chouimat: You should post a picture of this woman of yours for us all to scope out :P |
| 03:48.16 | kergoth | ChipX86|Gone: hah |
| 03:49.00 | warmi | ChipX86|Gone: you mean #mindless_drivel ? |
| 03:49.07 | chouimat | krezel: with all the pervert on the net ... that something that will give idea to George- |
| 03:49.16 | ChipX86|Gone | warmi: #fnr, #freenode, #gaim. They tend to have a lot of it |
| 03:49.23 | ChipX86|Gone | especially #fnr |
| 03:49.57 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:50.10 | krezel | haha |
| 03:50.18 | krezel | chouimat: Well I didn't say it had to be NAKED :) |
| 03:50.27 | Com[Plex] | this is the email I got from HSN.com regarding the zaurus battery. |
| 03:50.28 | Com[Plex] | Please call customer service at the number listed below. We may be able to offer you a reduction in the price of the item to keep it as is. On behalf of HSN, we apologize for any inconvenience this situation may have caused and look forward to serving you in the future. Your patience and patronage are greatly appreciated. |
| 03:50.34 | warmi | altought that woulnd't hurt .. |
| 03:50.34 | chouimat | krezel: the naked one are for me :) |
| 03:51.22 | krezel | haha |
| 03:51.26 | krezel | http://www.chrismetcalf.net/photos/SodusBay/aae |
| 03:51.53 | chouimat | krezel: but I know that you will like my ex-wife naked ... 5'11" 125 lbs ;) |
| 03:52.29 | krezel | haha ex-wife and dating an 18 year old, sounds like a midlife crisis :) |
| 03:52.46 | chouimat | krezel: guess how old am I? |
| 03:53.07 | krezel | I dont know, I'd say late 20's, early 30's |
| 03:53.16 | chouimat | krezel: 29 |
| 03:53.20 | krezel | I guess well |
| 03:53.29 | chouimat | krezel: yup ... |
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| 03:56.03 | krezel | Snow Tux: http://www.chrismetcalf.net/photos/VTTrip/aae |
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| 03:57.37 | OctaneZ | YEEAH! it uses the spectrum24 driver! |
| 03:58.17 | Matthew_I | can some one tell me where I can find instructions on how to install oz without a cf card |
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| 03:58.24 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 03:58.40 | Matthew_I | where can I find instructions on how to sync my zaurus with linux qtopia desktop, and evolution |
| 03:58.50 | kergoth | god you're inept. |
| 03:59.01 | Matthew_I | and your not |
| 03:59.03 | kergoth | your first question, I alreayd told you the instructions arent publically available |
| 03:59.04 | Matthew_I | so help me |
| 03:59.10 | chouimat | night |
| 03:59.10 | kergoth | what part of that did you not understand? |
| 03:59.25 | kergoth | your second question, the answer is both in the FAQs and in the mailing list archives |
| 03:59.28 | kergoth | ibot: kitchensync |
| 03:59.28 | | from memory, kitchensync is the ultimate syncing tool for KDE3 written by Aliens at the Area 51a ;) or not out yet. or in the kde3 cvs, or at http://www.handhelds.org/~zecke/kitchensync.html, or now available |
| 03:59.34 | Matthew_I | clearly did not find them, so quit your RTFM crap and tell me where the manual is |
| 03:59.37 | kergoth | that link will help as well |
| 04:00.11 | kergoth | Matthew_I: you're inability to navigate a fucking web site is not my problem. |
| 04:00.14 | TCMAN | kergoth: hello, i see you are in good mood today :) |
| 04:00.22 | Matthew_I | so give me a freaking url |
| 04:00.30 | krezel | Yay more kergoth-newbie-bashing |
| 04:00.32 | Matthew_I | since you can navigate well |
| 04:00.43 | chouimat | ok guys have fun tonight ... I know I will have some :) |
| 04:00.45 | krezel | kergoth, Matthew_I: Hug and make up! |
| 04:00.56 | Com[Plex] | my 5000d battery is fucking toast... I have had it for so long, when I remove the power cord after a full charge, it drops to 80% instantly. |
| 04:00.59 | Matthew_I | krezel: maybe you can help me |
| 04:01.03 | kergoth | Matthew_I: and waste more of my time due to your ineptitude? no thanks. |
| 04:01.04 | Com[Plex] | its got like 20 minutes of life on it |
| 04:01.09 | SP-home | maybe since you are trying to use openzaurus you should try www.openzaurus.org |
| 04:01.15 | TCMAN | Matthew_I: just go to www.openzaurus.org and read whole faq |
| 04:01.16 | kergoth | SP-home: bingo! |
| 04:01.29 | Matthew_I | TCMAN: how can I read the whole thing |
| 04:01.36 | Matthew_I | TCMAN: all I get is this search thing |
| 04:01.46 | TCMAN | Matthew_I: it is certainly useful, run search with empty search box |
| 04:01.46 | SP-home | click the button that reads search |
| 04:01.56 | kergoth | Matthew_I: tab the 'submit' button |
| 04:01.58 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth, heres a question you might know the answer to.. when the zaurus is plugged in, and the power light comes on, does it charge for three hours and then Stop charging? or does the light shut off and the unit keeps on charging? |
| 04:01.59 | kergoth | Matthew_I: its tough, i know. |
| 04:02.17 | Matthew_I | TCMAN: well thank you |
| 04:02.19 | TCMAN | i got opteron box running suse up today :) |
| 04:02.19 | chouimat | night |
| 04:02.20 | krezel | Matthew_I: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=7 |
| 04:02.25 | TCMAN | sweet machine |
| 04:02.38 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: if the light is off, its no longer charging |
| 04:02.59 | kergoth | TCMAN: nice |
| 04:03.10 | Com[Plex] | then why does the statup guide for thezaurus say it should be charged for 24 hours before useing? lol |
| 04:03.20 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: to charge the internal backup battery |
| 04:03.23 | TCMAN | kergoth: btw, i upgraded most of opie yesterday on my Z to latest unstable, seems to work so far |
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| 04:03.24 | Com[Plex] | OOOH.. |
| 04:03.25 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: for which the lights dont reflect behavior |
| 04:03.30 | Com[Plex] | I see.... |
| 04:03.32 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: backup is charged from the main, afaik |
| 04:03.34 | TCMAN | kergoth: opiealarm doesnt spawn like crazy anymore |
| 04:03.44 | kergoth | TCMAN: cool |
| 04:03.47 | krezel | kergoth: how long does the backup battery last without recharging? |
| 04:03.52 | kergoth | TCMAN: opiealarm still has the bug, its just sorta random |
| 04:03.54 | kergoth | TCMAN: :) |
| 04:04.03 | kergoth | TCMAN: i can never repro the behavior |
| 04:04.06 | TCMAN | Com[Plex]: so internal backup battery will charge to full |
| 04:04.17 | kergoth | krezel: not certain |
| 04:04.25 | TCMAN | kergoth: oh, ok, anyway, nothing blew up yet :) |
| 04:04.32 | kergoth | TCMAN: glad to hear it. |
| 04:06.38 | TCMAN | kergoth: i tried prboom and quake yesterday |
| 04:06.44 | kergoth | they work fine? |
| 04:06.55 | TCMAN | kergoth: prboom cannot work in less than 320x200, and quake crashes after a while |
| 04:06.58 | kergoth | well obivously quake is dog slow, but.. |
| 04:07.02 | kergoth | heh |
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| 04:07.18 | TCMAN | kergoth: Bus error :) is it unaligned access ? |
| 04:07.19 | Zxcvb | have the issues with hancom apps and opera been fixed? |
| 04:07.31 | kergoth | TCMAN: yep |
| 04:07.37 | Zxcvb | such as the toolbar not being displayed correctly |
| 04:07.42 | kergoth | Zxcvb: not certain |
| 04:08.40 | TCMAN | kergoth: crap, doesnt compiler take care of it ? |
| 04:08.47 | kergoth | TCMAN: its not a compiler problem |
| 04:08.53 | kergoth | TCMAN: its soembody doing something stupid |
| 04:09.04 | kergoth | TCMAN: and unaligned mem access doesnt cause a problem on some architectures |
| 04:09.09 | kergoth | TCMAN: x86 its just fine for example |
| 04:09.45 | TCMAN | kergoth: yeah, but it could be that data file has unaligned stuff inside |
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| 04:10.03 | kergoth | no, its not a problem with data |
| 04:10.10 | kergoth | its someone doing something stupid |
| 04:10.12 | kergoth | guaranteed |
| 04:10.22 | kergoth | bus error can also occur due to lib mismatches, i've seen |
| 04:10.23 | TCMAN | kergoth: hehe, that someone being JC ? :)))) |
| 04:10.45 | kergoth | i love creative bands |
| 04:10.59 | masticator | munguda munguda munguda |
| 04:11.26 | treke|home | creative is one word for it |
| 04:11.38 | Com[Plex] | HSN refunded me 30$ for the screwup.. does that make me a greedy bastard? exploiting the mistakes of a corporate monster? |
| 04:11.48 | treke|home | yes |
| 04:11.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:11.53 | treke|home | is that a bad thing? |
| 04:11.55 | treke|home | no |
| 04:11.58 | masticator | TCMAN: where did you get your opteron? |
| 04:12.07 | TCMAN | masticator: from QA lab :)))) |
| 04:12.28 | masticator | hmm probably the same place another one I know about came from. |
| 04:12.33 | masticator | :) |
| 04:12.33 | Zxcvb | how large is xfree86 on the Z? |
| 04:12.44 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 04:12.48 | TCMAN | masticator: yeah, i got it in my cube at work |
| 04:12.51 | kergoth | Zxcvb: dunno offhand, i can do a build and check the ipk sizes |
| 04:12.56 | masticator | apparently theres about 5000 in the wild |
| 04:13.01 | Com[Plex] | I lvoe you guys. but I think you all hate me. |
| 04:13.05 | masticator | newisys built quite a few of em |
| 04:13.09 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:13.14 | treke|home | Com[Plex]: you are very observant |
| 04:13.31 | Zxcvb | I heard there is a package that lets you run xfree86 as a qtopia application |
| 04:13.37 | TCMAN | masticator: i used it for couple hours today installing suse |
| 04:13.39 | masticator | TCMAN: built any cool shit on yours yet? |
| 04:13.40 | Zxcvb | uses a VNC X server, and a VNC viewer on qtopia |
| 04:13.45 | kergoth | Zxcvb: yep |
| 04:13.51 | treke|home | tedoes that really Zxcvb yes. its called vncserver |
| 04:13.52 | TCMAN | masticator: not yet, will be porting stuff soon |
| 04:14.04 | Zxcvb | qtopia-X |
| 04:14.10 | kergoth | 'qtopia-X' is just Xnv |
| 04:14.12 | kergoth | Xvnc |
| 04:14.14 | kergoth | thats it. |
| 04:14.14 | treke|home | Zxcvb: its just plain Xvnc |
| 04:14.22 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:15.23 | Zxcvb | are there any other xvnc packages for the zaurus? |
| 04:15.44 | treke|home | no |
| 04:15.50 | treke|home | download it from debian |
| 04:16.12 | kergoth | that reminds me, should add it to buildroot |
| 04:16.31 | treke|home | kergoth: probably not wise :) |
| 04:16.40 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:16.52 | treke|home | kergoth: as I remember it, it wasnt a pretty build |
| 04:17.02 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:17.05 | kergoth | k |
| 04:17.09 | Zxcvb | is 40-24 good enough for using xvnc to run X and qtopia together? |
| 04:17.20 | treke|home | 64-0 |
| 04:17.25 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:18.14 | TCMAN | 64-0 :) |
| 04:18.21 | Zxcvb | why 64-0 |
| 04:18.31 | treke|home | Zxcvb: because its going to suck up ram |
| 04:18.56 | treke|home | Zxcvb: you have to have enough ram to run both qt/e and Xfree86 + whatever widgetsets you need |
| 04:19.00 | Zxcvb | does OZ at least allow you to install everything to SD? |
| 04:19.00 | TCMAN | Zxcvb: ramdisk sucks |
| 04:19.07 | darmou1 | Has anyone been able to get either copilot or qpose working on oz? |
| 04:19.08 | kergoth | Zxcvb: yes |
| 04:19.27 | treke|home | which also includes keeping seperate sets of fonts in ram |
| 04:19.28 | Zxcvb | even formatted as ext2, sharp still won't install some packages |
| 04:19.47 | kergoth | Zxcvb: in oz, everything installs to sd. |
| 04:19.53 | kergoth | Zxcvb: as long as the card is ext2. |
| 04:20.01 | Zxcvb | nice |
| 04:20.55 | Zxcvb | need to order a larger card |
| 04:21.19 | TCMAN | Zxcvb: i have moved /root and /opt and /home to sd |
| 04:22.13 | Zxcvb | like the crow rom? |
| 04:22.44 | Matthew_I | kergoth: http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=4 red |
| 04:22.48 | Matthew_I | read* |
| 04:23.14 | kergoth | Matthew_I: you do realize i'm the OZ maintainer, right? |
| 04:23.19 | kergoth | Matthew_I: you dont have to quote my own faqs at me. |
| 04:23.23 | kergoth | i know the answers. |
| 04:23.41 | Matthew_I | kergoth: then why did you tell me that I could flash it without a cf card? |
| 04:23.47 | kergoth | Matthew_I: i didnt. |
| 04:23.49 | kergoth | Matthew_I: you werent listening. |
| 04:23.56 | kergoth | i said it was possible, but that the information wasnt publically available |
| 04:24.04 | kergoth | scroll up and read it again. try comprehending it this time. |
| 04:24.29 | Matthew_I | kergoth: so how do I do it then |
| 04:24.40 | kergoth | Matthew_I: i'm not telling you, because its not ready for public consumption |
| 04:24.45 | SP-home | hey kergoth.. would it be possible to somehow use sharp's flash program? |
| 04:24.46 | kergoth | Matthew_I: if it was, it'd already be in the faqs. |
| 04:24.57 | Zxcvb | Matthew_I: it is most likey using some undocumented tricks |
| 04:24.57 | kergoth | SP-home: yes, with alterations. |
| 04:25.04 | kergoth | SP-home: which is precisely whats sitting in my mailbox. |
| 04:25.26 | SP-home | i just use a flash card =) |
| 04:25.37 | kergoth | yes, cf is safer and easier |
| 04:26.00 | Matthew_I | kergoth: I would use one, except I don't have one |
| 04:26.14 | Com[Plex] | what the hell is ./proc/kcore? |
| 04:26.18 | krezel | kergoth: do you know of ANY, even floating point, MP3 decoders that I could just drop into this project? |
| 04:26.29 | kergoth | krezel: libmad, i'd say |
| 04:26.35 | TCMAN | kergoth: you can flash from SD if you put it into sd->cf converter :)))) |
| 04:26.37 | kergoth | krezel: which is what op1 uses |
| 04:26.41 | krezel | kergoth: heh.. i told him 3 months ago to do that :) |
| 04:26.45 | kergoth | krezel: heheh |
| 04:26.49 | TCMAN | krezel: there is already libmad in xine |
| 04:27.05 | kergoth | yeah, you could use libxine as well, but it just uses libmad itself |
| 04:27.18 | krezel | hmm is libxine already threaded? |
| 04:27.57 | krezel | ok |
| 04:28.10 | warmi | libmad is fixed point math based right ? |
| 04:28.15 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:28.18 | krezel | yeah, thats why I wanted to use it |
| 04:28.25 | TCMAN | krezel: i dont know about libxine on OZ, but on my desktop it spawns shitload of threads |
| 04:28.26 | krezel | that and it sounds better than the rest |
| 04:28.35 | warmi | right, it even has some asm code to speed things up |
| 04:28.46 | warmi | krezel : you coding something ? |
| 04:28.52 | krezel | warmi: MP3 player |
| 04:28.54 | warmi | let me guess.. an mp3 player ? |
| 04:28.56 | warmi | heeh |
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| 04:29.15 | krezel | yeah I put one of my groupmates (its for a school project) in charge of the MP3 player, and hes a dumbfuck |
| 04:29.31 | kergoth | krezel: show warmi that code |
| 04:29.36 | kergoth | krezel: :) |
| 04:29.37 | krezel | heh ok |
| 04:29.37 | warmi | so you are doing all the work ? |
| 04:29.52 | krezel | yep of 3 people |
| 04:30.34 | novacoke_Z | anyone here get the Palm emulator to work? |
| 04:30.38 | krezel | check this out: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ztunes/ztunes/player/zplayer.cpp?rev=1.7&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 04:31.32 | warmi | uh .. this thing was forking madplayer ? |
| 04:31.37 | krezel | hah |
| 04:31.38 | krezel | yep |
| 04:31.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:31.51 | krezel | check out getCurrentTime() |
| 04:32.13 | darmou1 | novacoke_Z thats exactly what I want to know too |
| 04:32.21 | kergoth | that guy should be writing shell code, not c/c++ |
| 04:32.23 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:32.29 | darmou1 | Have you tried both qpose and copilot? |
| 04:32.38 | novacoke_Z | im tryin qpose |
| 04:32.46 | novacoke_Z | but keeps tellin me outa memory when i try to make a new rom profile |
| 04:32.54 | novacoke_Z | rom and qpose is on my 512 card |
| 04:33.12 | krezel | Ok xine-lib may have saved my ass |
| 04:33.23 | Zxcvb | 512MB card? |
| 04:33.36 | darmou1 | novakroke_Z I keep getting segfaults with qpose I wonder If I have a stuffed binary or something |
| 04:33.39 | Novacoke | yeah CF card |
| 04:33.40 | Zxcvb | novacoke_Z: wait 10-20 minutes |
| 04:33.52 | Zxcvb | Novacoke: must be nice for divx |
| 04:33.55 | warmi | well, you know .. there is "::" in function names so nominally it is C++ |
| 04:33.55 | warmi | heh |
| 04:34.07 | kergoth | heh. |
| 04:34.13 | Novacoke | actually just got my 5600 today... havent got to really test it out yet :) |
| 04:34.39 | warmi | Novacoke: 5600 ? |
| 04:34.46 | warmi | how much you paid for it ? |
| 04:34.47 | darmou1 | Novacoke did you have a 5500 previously? |
| 04:34.50 | kergoth | Novacoke: i'll have 5600 OZ roms for testing shortly |
| 04:34.57 | krezel | grr the xine webpage is crashing galeon |
| 04:35.00 | kergoth | been trying to fucking build one all day |
| 04:35.01 | Novacoke | no i didnt have a 5500 previously |
| 04:35.12 | Novacoke | i paid 424.99 |
| 04:35.26 | TCMAN | Novacoke: i was just about to ask about that :) |
| 04:35.36 | TCMAN | Novacoke: where did you buy it ? |
| 04:35.44 | Novacoke | pcconnection |
| 04:35.48 | Novacoke | developer discount |
| 04:35.59 | warmi | actually I know that 5600 has newer software and "better" CPU but I would still rather get 5500 for $200 than 5600 for $420 |
| 04:36.20 | kergoth | software doesnt mean much when you've got opie.. and the cpu sucks |
| 04:36.25 | kergoth | i'm inclined to agree with ya warmi |
| 04:36.26 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:37.14 | warmi | Novacoke: when you have time run this app on your 5600 and write down what kind of FPS ( frames per second ) are you getting |
| 04:37.25 | warmi | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=914 |
| 04:37.27 | TCMAN | so why intel released such f**ked up cpu |
| 04:37.29 | darmou1 | what sharp really needs is one of those ibm ppc embedded pda's |
| 04:37.39 | warmi | I keep hearing from people that XScale 400 is slower than ARM 200 mhz |
| 04:38.12 | SP-home | only thing in 5600 that i would kinda like is the built in mic |
| 04:38.23 | warmi | darmou1: I don't think these things are "real" :-) |
| 04:38.48 | warmi | uh .. I closed a window by mistake |
| 04:38.52 | warmi | was someone messaging me ? |
| 04:39.33 | warmi | SP-home well, yeah .... if you want to RUN Sharp ROm then 5600 is a better choice |
| 04:39.41 | Novacoke | so.. when i launch qpose by tappin the rom file... it confirm the creation of a new profile... then the Z tells me i should kill the Palm Emulator |
| 04:39.51 | Novacoke | i just let it sit doin nothin.. and it exits on its own |
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| 04:40.07 | TCMAN | Novacoke: maybe it runs out of memory |
| 04:40.08 | Novacoke | just downloaded that file warmi... put it on now |
| 04:40.10 | warmi | perhaps 5600 has a different memory layout which causes Palm emu to run out of memory |
| 04:40.18 | kergoth | warmi: only 32mb ram |
| 04:40.24 | SP-home | sharp rom doesnt matter that much to me.. |
| 04:40.25 | kergoth | same as a stock 5500 |
| 04:40.28 | Neo|Laptop | hi again |
| 04:40.31 | kergoth | hey neo |
| 04:40.31 | TCMAN | warmi: it has only 32mb |
| 04:40.37 | warmi | oh ,that would explain it |
| 04:40.45 | warmi | kergoth you mean same as stock 5000d ? |
| 04:41.06 | warmi | ah right ... 32 is for 5500 |
| 04:41.27 | Com[Plex] | hey guys.. I just got a 5500, and I jsut dont know what to do with all this ram. lol - but seriously, wich zimage should I choose? the 32/32? or should I give it more memory? say 40? 48? |
| 04:41.29 | TCMAN | why they didnt put 64 or even 128mb on 5600 ? |
| 04:41.44 | TCMAN | Com[Plex]: 64-0 |
| 04:41.58 | warmi | yeah, and let us use CF for everything else |
| 04:41.59 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 04:41.59 | warmi | heh |
| 04:42.01 | TCMAN | Com[Plex]: and get sd-mmc card |
| 04:42.11 | Com[Plex] | I have a 128meg sd card |
| 04:42.27 | TCMAN | Com[Plex]: good, then 64-0 and install stuff to sd card |
| 04:42.30 | Com[Plex] | and ive been using the 32/0 zimage on my 5000d's all this time. |
| 04:42.54 | Novacoke | my 512MB CF was only 129.95 and has a $50 rebate on top of that |
| 04:42.55 | Com[Plex] | but when woudl I need all 64megsd of ram for /ram/ ? |
| 04:43.06 | warmi | 512 MB ? |
| 04:43.08 | warmi | not bad |
| 04:43.18 | TCMAN | Com[Plex]: ramdisk is waste of memory |
| 04:43.21 | Novacoke | b/c of rebate i couldnt find cheaper on ebay |
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| 04:43.42 | Com[Plex] | 106 at neweg right now for a 512 |
| 04:44.00 | Zxcvb | what is the cheapest 128MB MMC or SD card? |
| 04:44.05 | Novacoke | warmi: runnin the zsurface right now |
| 04:44.18 | Novacoke | warmi: does it give me an average frate at the end or what? |
| 04:44.22 | darmou1 | Does anyone know how you turn the flashing green led off? |
| 04:44.26 | Com[Plex] | 45$ at newegg for a 128meg SD card |
| 04:44.35 | Com[Plex] | yeah, dar, use a screw driver |
| 04:44.41 | warmi | no it lists fps for each "category" of blits |
| 04:44.51 | warmi | write down one of them and let me know :-) |
| 04:44.54 | warmi | thanks |
| 04:44.55 | Novacoke | well mine changes too much to get it lol |
| 04:45.04 | TCMAN | darmou1: bang you Z very hard :) |
| 04:45.11 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:45.23 | warmi | ah .. it does that on some of them |
| 04:45.32 | warmi | but generally it runs pretty well , no problems / |
| 04:45.34 | warmi | ? |
| 04:45.34 | darmou1 | I'll try rebooting. I just got it to test the message reminder and it kept flashing |
| 04:45.41 | TCMAN | darmou1: but the flashing led means it went to screen power saving |
| 04:46.02 | Com[Plex] | www.newegg.com - click categories, Memory-flash memory, then select SD from the type and your size from the menues on the left. |
| 04:46.06 | TCMAN | darmou1: try pressing any key |
| 04:46.22 | Com[Plex] | they jsut released 1gb sd cards. |
| 04:46.30 | Novacoke | ~33, 31, 32, 27, 31, 33 |
| 04:46.35 | TCMAN | Com[Plex]: there is 256MB sandisk sd card for $65 at Costco here |
| 04:46.46 | TCMAN | Com[Plex]: and i bought it for more on ebay :))) |
| 04:46.46 | darmou1 | Pressing a key does not work or doing a reboot |
| 04:46.49 | Com[Plex] | and MicroSD, wich is Half the size of a SD card, and fits in side it. |
| 04:46.50 | warmi | great thanks :-) |
| 04:47.02 | Novacoke | how the hell i exit lol |
| 04:47.14 | warmi | looks like 400 MHZ XScale cpu runs at the same speed as 200 MHZ arm |
| 04:47.20 | darmou1 | The power is pluged in so it is fully charged |
| 04:47.21 | warmi | just press some key |
| 04:47.28 | warmi | any key |
| 04:47.29 | warmi | heh |
| 04:47.33 | Novacoke | ya but it stays at bottom lol |
| 04:47.34 | Com[Plex] | newegg has the 256mb sd card for $71.00 with free shipping |
| 04:47.36 | TCMAN | warmi: so its like pentium 4 :) |
| 04:47.51 | Com[Plex] | ooooh. TCMAN, thats cold |
| 04:47.52 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 04:47.54 | warmi | yeah, that is a bug in Qtopia - they haven't fixed it ... I forgot to insert work around for it |
| 04:48.21 | warmi | the only way to get rid of it is to restart qtopia -> settings/ shotdown / restart qtopia |
| 04:48.23 | Zxcvb | TCMAN: costco, is that in the US? |
| 04:48.36 | Novacoke | well just did full reset lol |
| 04:48.42 | Novacoke | restart rather |
| 04:48.45 | warmi | this is one of these little things that make coding for Qtopia nightmare ... but since this was only a demo I never bothered to change that |
| 04:48.46 | warmi | :-) |
| 04:49.00 | warmi | Novacoke : thanks for your help |
| 04:49.05 | warmi | sorry for that "bug" :-) |
| 04:49.06 | TCMAN | Zxcvb: yes |
| 04:49.07 | Novacoke | yeap |
| 04:49.22 | Novacoke | any way for me to just list free software on the software index :) |
| 04:49.36 | Novacoke | im not payin to put somethin on a linux machine... just not right hehe |
| 04:49.39 | TCMAN | Zxcvb: the one at lawrence/kifer in sunnyvale |
| 04:50.12 | Zxcvb | Novacoke: you mean killefiz.de? |
| 04:50.22 | Novacoke | yep |
| 04:50.29 | Novacoke | it lists pay and free.... just want free hehe |
| 04:50.33 | TCMAN | MicroCenter had nice sale of linux games, for $5 each :) |
| 04:50.37 | warmi | actually .. looking at the numbers on my 5000d .. looks like 5600 is slightly faster |
| 04:50.50 | warmi | 10 maybe 20 % faster |
| 04:51.22 | Neo|Laptop | warmi: benchmarking with what? |
| 04:51.32 | TCMAN | warmi: shouldnt it be faster when doing lots of number crunching and little memory accesses ? |
| 04:51.38 | warmi | Novacoke was kind enough to benchmark my Zsurface on 5600 |
| 04:51.47 | Neo|Laptop | remember, zsurface doesn't correctly run a benchmark - it uses qtimer... |
| 04:51.48 | warmi | and it is slightly faster than on 5500 |
| 04:51.48 | Novacoke | tcman: eh i dont play games much... last game i was addicted to was UltimaOnline... now if that was on the Z lol |
| 04:51.59 | Neo|Laptop | you need to run it in a tight loop |
| 04:52.06 | Neo|Laptop | my desktop got the same fps. :P |
| 04:52.23 | warmi | Neo|Laptop : well , it is calibrated to run at 33 max |
| 04:52.34 | Neo|Laptop | invalid test, really |
| 04:52.37 | Neo|Laptop | :) |
| 04:53.00 | darmou1 | I wonder if it is possble to reset the led device |
| 04:53.08 | Neo|Laptop | you should try one of my games perhaps |
| 04:53.19 | Novacoke | darmoul: i was told yes... you can control it with code |
| 04:53.29 | warmi | well, I know - it wasn't meant as a benchmark but still .. the fact that fps it gets is slightly higher than on 5500 means it is a bit faster |
| 04:53.34 | Novacoke | mabey a coder (warmi) can tell ya |
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| 04:53.40 | Neo|Laptop | not necessarily warmi |
| 04:53.51 | Neo|Laptop | unless you use a tight loop, it's not a good indication |
| 04:54.09 | warmi | I don't know anything about coding led on the zaurus :-) |
| 04:54.19 | Novacoke | i read it on forums somewhere |
| 04:54.22 | Novacoke | do a search |
| 04:54.34 | Zxcvb | warmi: does it run based on CPU speed, or does it have it's own speed limiter? |
| 04:54.44 | Novacoke | hrm this palm thing is pissin me off... mabey ill try a diff rom |
| 04:55.16 | warmi | Zxcvb it is calibrated by QTimer to be run at 33 frames per seconds .. some blits are too slow for that and you end up with 27,28 fps etc ... |
| 04:55.47 | warmi | as I can see 5600 manages to run almost all of them in 30s |
| 04:55.52 | warmi | so I think it is a bit faster |
| 04:56.11 | darmou1 | A hard reset did the trick |
| 04:56.19 | warmi | but as Neo said ... ZSurfacedemo doesn't acurately measure this |
| 04:56.30 | Zxcvb | warmi: to use it as a benchmark, you would need to disable the limiter |
| 04:56.40 | warmi | Zxcvb :precisely .. |
| 04:56.50 | warmi | and in fact run it in a loop , like neo said |
| 04:57.08 | Zxcvb | warmi: games without limiters are a pain, though dosbox helps alot |
| 04:57.21 | warmi | altought that's not required since Qt loop will do the same asuming there aren't any events being generated |
| 04:57.56 | warmi | Novacoke : yeah .. I think you are simply running out of memory |
| 04:58.09 | warmi | I was never able to run Palm emu on my 5000d |
| 04:58.15 | warmi | which has 32 MB ram |
| 04:58.21 | Zxcvb | not missing much |
| 04:58.28 | warmi | yeah, I know :-) |
| 04:58.30 | Zxcvb | the palm emu takes 5-10 minutes to load |
| 04:58.39 | Zxcvb | is anyone working on a new CPU core? |
| 04:58.53 | warmi | you mean the emulator ? |
| 04:59.18 | Neo|Laptop | Novacoke: do you mind benchmarking another game? |
| 04:59.41 | warmi | Novacoke : this time a real game .. mine was just a stupid little demo :-) |
| 04:59.48 | Novacoke | well i need to reboot b/c my cradle just screwed up .. but brb and i will |
| 04:59.50 | Zxcvb | the CPU emulation core used by the palm emulator sucks |
| 05:00.10 | warmi | Zxcvb : yeah, I know .. I looked at the source code |
| 05:00.20 | Zxcvb | what would it take to replace the CPU emulator? |
| 05:00.21 | darmou1 | Has anyone created a plugin for iTunes and the Z? |
| 05:00.28 | warmi | but hey .. that would be a lot of work rewriting it all in ARM asm |
| 05:00.50 | warmi | Zxcvb : a good code with tons of time on his/her hands :-) |
| 05:00.54 | warmi | code= coder |
| 05:01.08 | Zxcvb | I would rather see more konqueror development |
| 05:01.25 | warmi | Neo|Laptop which game are you going to benchmark ? |
| 05:02.02 | warmi | perhaps rip out konqueror HTML engine and create something lighter .. sort of like Apple did with their new browser |
| 05:02.32 | Zxcvb | what is qbrowser? |
| 05:02.40 | Zxcvb | oops, I mean ubrowser |
| 05:02.42 | Neo|Laptop | warmi: well, the easy ones are RocketElite and MSR |
| 05:02.42 | krezel | ok seriously, who returns "true" when something fails, unless the function is "doesFail()"... |
| 05:02.49 | Neo|Laptop | the other ones I need to hack to get benchmark info |
| 05:03.25 | warmi | Neo|Laptop yeah .. if any of these games runs significantly slower on 5600 |
| 05:03.55 | warmi | then it means that asm code helps a bit more on Xscale than it does on arm 5 |
| 05:04.20 | kergoth | armv5 is xscale |
| 05:04.31 | warmi | uh .. I mean arm 4w |
| 05:04.32 | kergoth | or rather, xscale is armv5 |
| 05:04.34 | kergoth | backwards |
| 05:04.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:04.37 | Neo|Laptop | warmi: indeed |
| 05:04.42 | warmi | what would we do without Kergoth |
| 05:04.43 | warmi | heh |
| 05:04.52 | Neo|Laptop | or simply different usage patterns or.. invalid benchmarks |
| 05:05.06 | kergoth | warmi: you'd have less newbie bashing entertainment! |
| 05:05.40 | warmi | well, I do measure system time between frames in ZSurface which means it cannot lie about fps too much - it simply maxes out at 33 |
| 05:05.42 | warmi | kergoth heh |
| 05:06.55 | warmi | this is the piece that calculates frame rate: |
| 05:06.56 | warmi | gettimeofday(&then, 0); |
| 05:06.57 | warmi | double tmpTime=( (then.tv_sec)*1000.0 + |
| 05:06.58 | warmi | (then.tv_usec )/1000.0); |
| 05:07.44 | warmi | which means .. if QTimer will call this function slower .. the time difference between gettimeofday calls will be greater and consequently fps will go down |
| 05:08.51 | warmi | but it can never go up more than the actual blit thruoutput will alow |
| 05:09.52 | warmi | uh .. midnight already |
| 05:10.05 | warmi | good thing tommorow is Friday |
| 05:10.05 | warmi | heh |
| 05:10.20 | kergoth | indeed |
| 05:11.01 | warmi | omoore you got one too ? |
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| 05:11.22 | omoore | warmi: 3 |
| 05:11.25 | Neo|Laptop | warmi: do we know the 5600 rotation? |
| 05:11.26 | Novacoke | alright what game you want me to test? |
| 05:11.28 | warmi | so maybe Sharp PDA USA will make it after all :-) |
| 05:11.29 | Neo|Laptop | omoore: 3?! |
| 05:11.33 | omoore | heh |
| 05:11.36 | omoore | yup |
| 05:11.43 | Neo|Laptop | Novacoke: hmm. Motocross Stunt Racer |
| 05:11.51 | Novacoke | and is there any advantage to running the pclink in tcpip mode? |
| 05:11.52 | warmi | Neo|Laptop must be the same as 5500 or no rotation at all |
| 05:11.55 | omoore | preping for a demo |
| 05:12.05 | warmi | omoore : what are you demoing ? |
| 05:12.14 | omoore | custom application for my docs |
| 05:12.23 | omoore | medical stuff |
| 05:12.36 | warmi | Neo|Laptop cause these two are the only ones my ZSurface supports at this point :-) |
| 05:12.39 | Neo|Laptop | actually, make that rocketelite. :) easier fps |
| 05:12.39 | Novacoke | 04(NeoTron04): that costs money... |
| 05:12.44 | warmi | omoore : you wrote it ? |
| 05:12.46 | Novacoke | 04(Neo|Laptop04): i mean |
| 05:12.53 | Neo|Laptop | warmi: poing being, no rotation == faster |
| 05:12.57 | omoore | yeah.. they contracted me for it |
| 05:13.08 | warmi | Neo|Laptop : ah yeah .. I forgot about it :-) |
| 05:13.21 | warmi | omoore : is it Qte or Java based app ? |
| 05:13.26 | omoore | Java |
| 05:13.26 | kergoth | Novacoke: disable the color |
| 05:13.36 | omoore | and apache + mysql |
| 05:13.43 | Neo|Laptop | Novacoke: try the demos |
| 05:13.49 | warmi | omoore : using awt and all this Java 1.0 awful stuff ? |
| 05:13.50 | warmi | heeh |
| 05:13.56 | Neo|Laptop | Novacoke: use http://eongames.com/feed/ |
| 05:14.06 | omoore | wll.. 1.1.8 (sortta) |
| 05:14.10 | omoore | er.. well. not wll |
| 05:14.37 | warmi | uh ... why not qt ? you wanted to port it to other Java based devices ? |
| 05:14.54 | omoore | yeah |
| 05:15.30 | omoore | i sold them on the z.. but some have ipaqs and want to use it |
| 05:15.31 | warmi | I do Java for living .. so the last thing I want to do is coding in Java on my Zaurus :-) |
| 05:15.42 | Neo|Laptop | omoore: so you got 3 5600 for it? |
| 05:15.52 | omoore | Neo|Laptop: for the demo |
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| 05:16.06 | omoore | net order will be for 45 more units |
| 05:16.07 | Zxcvb | is $133.00 with a $40 discount good for 512MB compactflash? |
| 05:16.14 | warmi | omoore : just "forget" to return them |
| 05:16.19 | omoore | holy shester |
| 05:16.29 | omoore | good price to me Zxcvb |
| 05:16.40 | omoore | maybe i'm wrong.. where is this deal? |
| 05:16.46 | omoore | i wanna order a bunch |
| 05:16.49 | omoore | :) |
| 05:16.50 | Neo|Laptop | omoore: you are buying them or loaners? don't quite understand |
| 05:16.53 | Zxcvb | omoore: crucial with a coupon code |
| 05:17.05 | omoore | Neo|Laptop: buying.. supplying as part of the project |
| 05:17.23 | Neo|Laptop | then I get it. :) |
| 05:17.26 | Novacoke | 04(Zxcvb04): pcconnection.com had 512CF for 129.95 and a 50 rebate |
| 05:17.31 | Neo|Laptop | buy one for me and I'll give you all my games, heh |
| 05:17.39 | warmi | omoore : only 45 units ? |
| 05:17.44 | omoore | oh.. not CF.. yuk |
| 05:17.49 | omoore | i want SD |
| 05:17.54 | omoore | warmi: for now |
| 05:17.56 | warmi | that's not going to improve sharp bottom line much :-) |
| 05:18.12 | omoore | yup |
| 05:18.16 | warmi | SD is slow like hell on the Zaurus |
| 05:18.20 | omoore | good for the Z :) |
| 05:18.32 | omoore | yeah.. but i can't do 802.11 if i put in a cf card |
| 05:18.40 | warmi | well, I guess it will pair well with Java though :-) |
| 05:18.44 | omoore | and SD is fine for my purposes |
| 05:18.48 | Zxcvb | omoore: I use CF for storing digital media, like movies |
| 05:18.53 | omoore | ahhh |
| 05:19.10 | Novacoke | neo| I think RE wont run... needs more packages |
| 05:19.15 | omoore | i don't do video on it.. but do voice recordings.. works great for that |
| 05:19.16 | warmi | omoore : what kind of app is this ? some sort og patient management system ? |
| 05:19.20 | Neo|Laptop | Novacoke: usin the feed? they are there.. |
| 05:19.22 | omoore | warmi: yup |
| 05:19.42 | Neo|Laptop | eon-libflac and eonconfig (not strictly necessary) I believe |
| 05:19.47 | Novacoke | i downloaded the RE.ipk in feed dir |
| 05:19.49 | Zxcvb | omoore: for times when you can't get them from the wireless network |
| 05:20.03 | Neo|Laptop | Novacoke: get the other packages that are there. :P |
| 05:20.05 | omoore | Zxcvb: heh.. yeah. makes sense |
| 05:20.17 | omoore | ok.. question... |
| 05:20.22 | Neo|Laptop | http://eongames.com/feed/eon-libflac_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 05:20.22 | blk-majik | i just got OZ flashed (16/16 version). I symlinked /root/Documents to /mnt/ram/Documents. I still cant use qtopia to xfer files =[ says 0 mem. any idea what i need to do? I have a 128mb CF card, but no SD |
| 05:20.29 | Zxcvb | krezel: you think that is bad, try a laptop so slow, that files copied from cdrom will be corrupted unless you use hdparm -E 2 /dev/hdc |
| 05:20.32 | omoore | ahh. .nvr mind :) |
| 05:21.00 | Novacoke | is it better in someway to use the cradle in TCP/IP mode rather than regular IO? |
| 05:21.20 | Neo|Laptop | my pda's have no "regular io". :P |
| 05:21.23 | warmi | cradle in TCP/IP mode ? |
| 05:21.39 | warmi | must be some new stuff with 5600 |
| 05:21.53 | warmi | Novacoke you tell us :-) |
| 05:22.18 | Zxcvb | Novacoke: so where is the $50 off? |
| 05:22.39 | mutexer | warmi: can you tell me what directory (on the Zaurus) images go in... what dir sounds go in... and what dir text files go in... and what dir the exe goes in? |
| 05:22.45 | omoore | i havn't looked around but are there barcode readers for the zaurus? |
| 05:22.50 | omoore | (potential project) |
| 05:23.08 | warmi | mutexer : uh .. I was stuffing everything in $QPEDIR/pics/appname |
| 05:23.27 | warmi | that's for image/data files |
| 05:23.35 | warmi | binary goes into $QPEDIR/bin |
| 05:23.46 | Neo|Laptop | I put everything in $QPEDIR/lib/<gamename> |
| 05:24.08 | Neo|Laptop | including binary $QPEDIR/bin/<gamename> is an sh script which sets up LD_LIBRARY_PATH etc |
| 05:24.11 | *** join/#zaurus datapurge (~slack@0-1pool228-160.nas37.tempe1.az.us.da.qwest.net) |
| 05:24.34 | warmi | yeah, that will work too .. I just did everything by the book :-) |
| 05:24.47 | warmi | mutexer : http://docs.zaurus.com/ipkg_howto.shtml |
| 05:25.10 | Neo|Laptop | an d avoid calling your images .png etc |
| 05:25.20 | mutexer | ahh good... its back |
| 05:25.47 | warmi | mutexer : generally I do $QPEDIR/pics/appname for images ... $QPEDIR/sounds/appname for souds .. .. $QPEDIR/bin for binary .. and $QPEDIR/apps/games for desktop file |
| 05:25.48 | *** join/#zaurus stingray (~Momentzer@12-229-21-34.client.attbi.com) |
| 05:25.50 | warmi | something like that |
| 05:26.08 | mutexer | what does $QPEDIR equal? |
| 05:26.23 | mutexer | /opt/QtPalmtop/ ? |
| 05:26.38 | warmi | /opt/QtPalmtop |
| 05:26.46 | omoore | not on the 5600 |
| 05:26.51 | omoore | /home/QtPalmtop |
| 05:27.07 | kergoth | omoore: ? last i checked, /home/QtPalmtop and /opt/QtPalmtop are links to one another. |
| 05:27.08 | warmi | uh ... must be symlinked on 5600 then |
| 05:27.09 | mutexer | hmm.. so Id need a separate installer for 5600? |
| 05:27.10 | omoore | well.. on the Sharp ROM anyway |
| 05:27.12 | stingray | anybody know how to purge data? |
| 05:27.19 | omoore | kergoth: k.. maybe .. let me look |
| 05:27.28 | kergoth | mutexer: no, just install to /opt/QtPalmtop/* |
| 05:27.33 | mutexer | k |
| 05:27.45 | omoore | stingray: update the data file directly is one say |
| 05:27.55 | Novacoke | damn this rocket elite is pretty wild |
| 05:27.55 | Novacoke | lol |
| 05:27.59 | datapurge | uhh |
| 05:28.02 | datapurge | lol funny guy |
| 05:28.04 | stingray | datapurge! |
| 05:28.12 | Novacoke | sure beats games on my TI-83+ |
| 05:28.14 | Novacoke | hehehe |
| 05:28.18 | warmi | Novacoke no shit ... I gave up before finishing first level |
| 05:28.33 | warmi | so what's your framerate ? |
| 05:29.11 | Novacoke | im in color... |
| 05:29.11 | Novacoke | if that matters |
| 05:29.27 | omoore | kergoth: you are correct for the 5600 as well |
| 05:29.36 | omoore | they are the same |
| 05:29.41 | kergoth | omoore: okay, thanks. just checkin |
| 05:29.44 | Neo|Laptop | Novacoke: what FPS? |
| 05:29.45 | warmi | Novacoke there are quite a few games available for the Zaurus .. taht's one kind of apps zaurus has plenty |
| 05:29.46 | warmi | heh |
| 05:29.48 | Novacoke | its usually around 65-67 but at times dips down to bout 20 and back to 40 then 60'ish again |
| 05:29.50 | Neo|Laptop | you enable fps in settings |
| 05:29.56 | omoore | maybe they just changed the variable to point to the other "copy" |
| 05:30.08 | Neo|Laptop | pretty good performance |
| 05:30.14 | kergoth | omoore: its because they mount /home as the second flash partition |
| 05:30.17 | warmi | Neo|Laptop what do you get on 5500 ? |
| 05:30.21 | omoore | i see |
| 05:30.26 | kergoth | omoore: its due to the symlink madness in embedix to keep the first partition readonly |
| 05:30.28 | Neo|Laptop | let me see, hold on. |
| 05:30.32 | kergoth | omoore: same basic layout as the 5500 |
| 05:30.35 | Novacoke | now i just gotta delete all these lame games that comes with it |
| 05:30.43 | omoore | warmi: 5500 rocks too. that's what i have |
| 05:30.49 | omoore | the 5600's are for the docs... |
| 05:31.09 | warmi | omoore: yeah I know :-) I have a little brother of 5500 -> 5000d |
| 05:31.19 | omoore | ahh |
| 05:31.39 | omoore | the only compelling reason i personally believe the 5600 is worth upgrading to ... |
| 05:32.01 | omoore | is the extra battery life, mic, and speaker (which is surprisingly good) |
| 05:32.19 | warmi | yeah .. in my case extre battery life would be the factor |
| 05:32.30 | Novacoke | yea i thought the speaker would suck bad... sounds alright to me.. if you wanna share a song with friends a sec or listen to voice recordings |
| 05:32.33 | omoore | the flip cover is better too.. you can see thru it.. it's clear. .not frosted like the 5500 |
| 05:32.33 | warmi | but , not if the price is 2x as much |
| 05:32.51 | omoore | yep.. it's very decent quality |
| 05:32.55 | omoore | (the speaker) |
| 05:33.00 | omoore | was really surprised |
| 05:33.04 | Novacoke | i just need a card reader for my comp b/c the z program that transfers is too slow |
| 05:33.30 | warmi | Novacoke get yourself a ethernet CF card ( if you have a network at home .. that is) |
| 05:33.58 | warmi | these go for $30 these days |
| 05:33.59 | Novacoke | yeah im gonna get a wifi card for it |
| 05:33.59 | Novacoke | ambicom |
| 05:33.59 | warmi | ah .. wifi |
| 05:34.01 | warmi | that will work too :-) |
| 05:34.03 | Novacoke | :) |
| 05:34.16 | omoore | amicom's get great range and are verys sleek |
| 05:34.22 | omoore | but they are a *bit* power hungry |
| 05:34.31 | Novacoke | now.. just did a "backup" in the settings menu.... what exactly does that backup its quite small... |
| 05:34.39 | warmi | well, that extra battery life on 5600 will come handy then |
| 05:34.40 | warmi | heh |
| 05:34.50 | omoore | my 550 can only go about 1.5-2 hrs off the charger when using the ambicom |
| 05:34.51 | Novacoke | gonna get a external pack too |
| 05:35.14 | Novacoke | what woudl be cool is a app that estimates your battery time left.. like laptops have |
| 05:35.17 | warmi | omoore : that's enough for a session of irc in your bathroom :-) |
| 05:35.18 | Novacoke | not just a bar saying "good" |
| 05:35.42 | omoore | the 5600 can go 4.5 hours of constant use with backlite using the linksys wfc12 |
| 05:35.55 | omoore | (tho i had backlight at about 50%) |
| 05:35.59 | Novacoke | i was gonna get linksys but was directed at the ambicoms |
| 05:36.14 | omoore | and was using vnc so a friend could check it out |
| 05:36.15 | warmi | Novacoke : don't complain ... 5000d is completely fucked up ... it goes from "full' to "empty" in matter of minutes |
| 05:36.24 | omoore | the ambicom looks better |
| 05:36.35 | Novacoke | lol |
| 05:36.44 | omoore | the linksys kinda sticks out toof ar.. i got a digital camera.. i can snap a pic so you can see fi you like |
| 05:36.56 | Novacoke | that woudl be cool |
| 05:37.04 | Neo|Laptop | there |
| 05:37.08 | Novacoke | would be nice to get one with an antenna jack on it |
| 05:37.09 | omoore | give me a few moments |
| 05:37.09 | warmi | and to make things interesting it will sometimes go back to "middle" from "empty' for couple of minutes ... and then it dies |
| 05:37.10 | Neo|Laptop | Novacoke: ok so I get say 65-68 FPS when sitting still |
| 05:37.17 | Neo|Laptop | it goes down to say 30 fps when the stylus is down |
| 05:37.44 | warmi | Neo|Laptop so there we go .... 400 MHZ XScale is about as fast as 200 MHZ arm 4 |
| 05:37.45 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:37.49 | Novacoke | mine when the stylus is down varied from around 20-30 to upper 40s |
| 05:37.50 | warmi | one hell of a "upgrade" |
| 05:37.51 | warmi | heh |
| 05:38.05 | Neo|Laptop | Novacoke: I never went below 30 |
| 05:38.13 | Neo|Laptop | I see they didn't fix the stylus code however |
| 05:38.21 | kergoth | Neo|Laptop: bleh |
| 05:38.22 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 05:38.30 | kergoth | guess OZ for 5600 will need to fix that too |
| 05:38.38 | Neo|Laptop | kergoth: did you try it on OZ with better support? |
| 05:39.02 | Neo|Laptop | or, to be exact, can you |
| 05:39.06 | kergoth | Neo|Laptop: i did once, but i dont recall the results. i'm going to be doing further testing on my 2.4.19-rmk7-cl1 tree on the 5500 shortly |
| 05:39.06 | Novacoke | only time it goes below 30 when its down is if im flyin along at like the fastest speed until i crash |
| 05:39.12 | kergoth | Neo|Laptop: i'll try this weekend. |
| 05:39.13 | Neo|Laptop | h |
| 05:39.17 | Neo|Laptop | well, it looks pretty similar then |
| 05:39.52 | Neo|Laptop | I actually wonder if the bac performance in IF wasn't because rtcsleep didn't work (it runs as user per default) |
| 05:39.59 | Zxcvb | warmi: the 5000 doesn't fully charge the battery |
| 05:40.00 | warmi | Neo|Laptop uh .. if 400 MHZ XScale is "similar" to 200 MHZ arm then 300 XScale will plain suck |
| 05:40.01 | warmi | heh |
| 05:40.08 | Zxcvb | warmi: you need an external battery charger |
| 05:40.17 | Neo|Laptop | warmi: mind you, 200 MHZ is "similar" to strongarm |
| 05:40.51 | Neo|Laptop | I get ALMOST full speed in Interstellar Flames on the A300 |
| 05:40.52 | warmi | Neo|Laptop uh .. fuck it then .. this XScale stuff should just disapear as soon as possible :-) |
| 05:40.56 | warmi | it doesn't make sense at all |
| 05:41.03 | Neo|Laptop | no, |
| 05:41.09 | kergoth | no |
| 05:41.13 | Neo|Laptop | the next generation, c stepping, will fix it |
| 05:41.16 | kergoth | pxa255 is going to be pretty smooth |
| 05:41.17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:41.20 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 05:41.21 | Neo|Laptop | 2x front size bus speed, no bugs |
| 05:41.24 | kergoth | it _is_ pretty smooth, for tha matter |
| 05:41.28 | warmi | I mean "this" XScale generation |
| 05:41.32 | kergoth | from everyone i've talked to |
| 05:41.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:41.50 | Novacoke | holy damn its almost 2am... lol cya |
| 05:42.00 | warmi | well, will we ever see a Zaurus device with pxa255 in it ? |
| 05:42.02 | Neo|Laptop | ciao |
| 05:42.07 | kergoth | tomorrow's friday. who needs to be conscious on a friday |
| 05:42.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:42.10 | warmi | bye |
| 05:42.10 | Neo|Laptop | I guess that depends |
| 05:42.11 | warmi | hahah |
| 05:42.18 | Neo|Laptop | ibot friday |
| 05:42.18 | | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 05:42.19 | kergoth | warmi: if sharp brings a c700 style unit to the us, most likely |
| 05:42.25 | SP-home | i notice that both affix and bluez bluetooth stacks are in testing for OZ.. is there one of them that is "preferred" ? |
| 05:42.39 | kergoth | SP-home: the bluez packages in the oz feeds are the utils only, not the drivers yet |
| 05:42.42 | kergoth | SP-home: so go with affix. |
| 05:42.43 | warmi | kergoth yeah .. "if" :-) |
| 05:43.24 | SP-home | thx kergoth.. just for curiosity.. is bluez drivers planned? |
| 05:43.39 | kergoth | SP-home: yep |
| 05:43.49 | kergoth | SP-home: none of the OZ devs have bt hardware, so its harder to test |
| 05:44.49 | SP-home | i should get some bluetooth stuff in next couple months.. (when I get a GSM phone i will get a CF card).. i dont mind testing then if someone is needed for testing |
| 05:45.49 | warmi | uh .. looks like this war is over ... I can get back to coding |
| 05:46.15 | Zxcvb | why couldn't you code during the war? |
| 05:46.34 | warmi | Zxcvb: with all these bullets and shit .... |
| 05:46.36 | warmi | but seriously |
| 05:46.42 | warmi | I was watching tv :-) |
| 05:46.45 | warmi | that's why |
| 05:46.46 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:46.53 | omoore | Novas007: going to dcc it to you |
| 05:47.05 | omoore | that ok? it's a jpg <100k |
| 05:47.44 | omoore | oops.. wrong person sorry Novas007 |
| 05:48.05 | warmi | hopefull they are not going to attack IRan or Syria .. cause I won't be able to do shit for another 2-3 months :-) |
| 05:48.13 | omoore | hmm. he leave? |
| 05:51.15 | warmi | Zxcvb are you in IL ? |
| 05:51.19 | omoore | kergoth: how could one help supply hardware to the OZ team and know that it is going to good use? |
| 05:51.28 | omoore | guess i can just go to the site and look |
| 05:52.39 | kergoth | we need a "How to contribute to the project" page |
| 05:52.47 | kergoth | until we have one, you can ask me or email openzaurus-devel |
| 05:52.50 | kergoth | brb |
| 05:52.53 | omoore | yes.. you do! :) |
| 05:52.56 | omoore | k |
| 05:53.43 | ChipX86 | hmm, does anyone know if there's anybody working on a bluecurve theme for OZ? If not, that may be a fun little project to do one of these days |
| 05:53.51 | Zxcvb | warmi: yes |
| 05:54.00 | omoore | kergoth: well.. when my i get paid for the project i'm on now.. i'd like to contribute critical pieces of hardware you guys need for development.. i'll check out the site |
| 05:54.04 | warmi | ah .. bluecurve .. |
| 05:54.30 | warmi | Zxcvb: so you are not watching this war on tv ? |
| 05:54.39 | Zxcvb | warmi: i am |
| 05:54.47 | omoore | whoever was wanting to see the diff between the ambicom and linksys cf nics.. here you go.. http://www.okmoore.com/zaurus_nics.jpg |
| 05:54.48 | Zxcvb | warmi: but it gets quite repetitive |
| 05:54.57 | omoore | (diffs as far as visual diffs) |
| 05:55.04 | warmi | hehe .. yeah, it does |
| 05:55.06 | Zxcvb | warmi: there is plenty of time between new things |
| 05:55.15 | ChipX86 | omoore: 404 |
| 05:55.28 | omoore | ahh.. well. i jsut switche dhosting companies.. let me get you the ip |
| 05:55.34 | omoore | your dns is behind mine :) |
| 05:55.40 | ChipX86 | guess so :/ |
| 05:55.59 | warmi | Zxcvb yeah .. I know , I guess I was just looking for excuse for my recent laziness |
| 05:56.01 | warmi | heh |
| 05:59.27 | Neo|Laptop | LAZY!!! |
| 06:00.05 | omoore | hell... the ip doesn't pull it up.. i'll just dcc it to you ChipX86 |
| 06:00.08 | warmi | yeah .. sometimes it is good to be lazy |
| 06:00.12 | ChipX86 | heh, ok |
| 06:00.50 | omoore | there you are.. small <100k jpg |
| 06:00.55 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 06:03.17 | mutexer | in my control file is this correct? - Depends: sdl,sdl-mixer |
| 06:03.29 | mutexer | or do I need to list the actual ipk name of the two packages? |
| 06:03.41 | kergoth | you liste packagename, not filename |
| 06:04.01 | mutexer | list it like it would show up in add/remove programs? |
| 06:04.09 | kergoth | yes |
| 06:04.18 | kergoth | space between the comma and next itme |
| 06:04.19 | mutexer | k |
| 06:04.20 | kergoth | item |
| 06:04.23 | mutexer | k |
| 06:04.27 | mutexer | hx |
| 06:04.29 | mutexer | thx |
| 06:05.16 | warmi | ah .. joys of ipkg |
| 06:05.21 | warmi | "something went wrong" |
| 06:05.28 | mutexer | heh |
| 06:05.40 | kergoth | s/ipkg/qinstall/ |
| 06:05.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:05.55 | kergoth | ipkg was more verbose than that, even in embedix |
| 06:06.02 | kergoth | idiotic sharp frontend |
| 06:06.19 | warmi | yeah |
| 06:06.35 | warmi | well, cabs on PocketPC are even mopre fucked up |
| 06:06.44 | warmi | so perhaps we shouldn't be complainging |
| 06:06.46 | kergoth | warmi: you remember the old message on 5000d 1.02 sharp rom? |
| 06:06.50 | kergoth | "The memory smacks of usage!" |
| 06:06.52 | kergoth | ! |
| 06:06.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:06.57 | mutexer | lol |
| 06:06.59 | kergoth | engrish |
| 06:07.01 | warmi | hehehe |
| 06:07.13 | kergoth | someone around here has a screenshot of it |
| 06:08.41 | warmi | btw . if , when writing info file for cabs on PPC you get sufficiently pissed as to end up writing a script for creating infos .. let me know |
| 06:08.45 | *** join/#zaurus djr (dj@inexistent-pt.tunnel.tserv1.fmt.ipv6.he.net) |
| 06:08.55 | warmi | I need a script like that |
| 06:08.56 | warmi | heh |
| 06:08.59 | mutexer | doh.. my artist went to bed and left me without an icon |
| 06:09.04 | mutexer | time to copy and paste |
| 06:09.14 | warmi | wake him up |
| 06:09.24 | mutexer | kinda hard over the net |
| 06:09.38 | kergoth | brb |
| 06:09.39 | mutexer | they have invented smack the person on the otherside yet.. Im waiting for it |
| 06:09.43 | mutexer | havent* |
| 06:09.51 | kergoth | thatd rock |
| 06:09.54 | kergoth | RTFM *smack* |
| 06:09.58 | warmi | hehe . trust me .. you are NOT waiting for it |
| 06:09.58 | kergoth | k brb |
| 06:09.59 | mutexer | :) |
| 06:10.02 | warmi | niether do I |
| 06:10.22 | Neo|Laptop | warmi: if it's that bad I probablu will do it |
| 06:10.24 | Neo|Laptop | in pike of course. :P |
| 06:11.05 | warmi | Neo|Laptop it is bad .. uh ... so bad that there are 100$ 3rd party apps available for doing this |
| 06:11.21 | omoore | hey kergoth.. searched the faqs for 5600.. does OZ run on the 5600? |
| 06:11.41 | warmi | alright .. time for me |
| 06:11.43 | warmi | g'night |
| 06:11.54 | Neo|Laptop | warmi: income potential! |
| 06:12.04 | kergoth | omoore: no one has tested it yet, i'm in the middle of building an image for it, actually |
| 06:12.13 | fliplap | hrm, trying to get dual monitor going in linux |
| 06:12.15 | krezel | night all |
| 06:13.03 | omoore | kergoth: so the 5600 image obviously would not work because of the XScale proc.. right? |
| 06:13.08 | omoore | er.. 5500 |
| 06:13.10 | kergoth | omoore: uhh |
| 06:13.12 | kergoth | omoore: ah |
| 06:13.15 | kergoth | omoore: yes, thats correct |
| 06:13.29 | omoore | well dang! :) |
| 06:13.37 | kergoth | omoore: I'll have experimental testing images in openzaurus.org/official/experimental/ within a day or two |
| 06:13.47 | ChipX86 | I think by the time I can afford a new PDA, the 5600 would be very old news :P |
| 06:13.52 | kergoth | omoore: i'll send an email to the openzaurus users and devel lists when they're available for testing |
| 06:13.58 | omoore | k |
| 06:14.17 | omoore | kergoth: the worst that happens.. is that i have to reflash with the sharp rom... right? |
| 06:14.26 | kergoth | omoore: right. |
| 06:14.37 | omoore | cool.. i'll watch the list |
| 06:14.39 | kergoth | and you wont even lose your data |
| 06:14.50 | kergoth | because your existing sharp data is on the second 32mb flash partition |
| 06:14.51 | omoore | i know that's the sweet part of the 5600 |
| 06:14.53 | kergoth | which isnt touched by the flash process |
| 06:14.54 | kergoth | yep |
| 06:15.17 | omoore | hard reset.. no data lost :) |
| 06:16.16 | mutexer | how tall and wide are icon pngs? |
| 06:16.40 | SuKoSh| | kergoth: i've switched back to sharp's rom, and you know what? i didn't have to restore my datas. |
| 06:17.00 | SuKoSh| | I'll test OZ during the weekend by now, since i use my Z professionnaly |
| 06:17.33 | omoore | hey kergoth.. on the hardware donation thing... |
| 06:17.46 | omoore | kergoth: how about a "stuff we need" page on your website... |
| 06:17.56 | omoore | kergoth: or mailing list... or similar |
| 06:18.26 | omoore | kergoth: so we can get an idea... unless you'd rather just have donations of cash to buy hardware you need for dev purposes |
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| 06:19.30 | kergoth | yeah, i like the idea of a contribution page, with hardware we could use, and the like. i'll talk to our web designer |
| 06:20.00 | SuKoSh| | good night |
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| 06:24.28 | omoore | strange.. the filemanager sharp includes ont he cd for the 5600 doesn't have a 'beam' option on the file menu.. too bad |
| 06:26.49 | mutexer | whats a directory on the Zaurus my app can write files too? |
| 06:27.23 | omoore | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.26 | omoore | to name a few |
| 06:27.43 | mutexer | it needs to be permanent as its gonna hold their saved games |
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| 06:28.01 | mutexer | isnt there a share folder somewhere? |
| 06:28.05 | omoore | well. /home/root/Documents is where the internal memory for documents, etc |
| 06:28.12 | omoore | (we.. the base dir) |
| 06:28.15 | omoore | er. well |
| 06:28.55 | omoore | you could put program & data in say.. /home/root/opt/mygame |
| 06:29.01 | omoore | but don't know if that's best way |
| 06:29.24 | omoore | ask kergoth`zzz when he is awake |
| 06:29.32 | omoore | :) or there is a developer site... |
| 06:30.17 | mutexer | it doesnt tell |
| 06:30.35 | mutexer | when looking for zaurus info 10% of what you need is on the net |
| 06:30.37 | omoore | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/ ahh. you've been there? :) |
| 06:31.13 | omoore | there is a "getting started" option |
| 06:31.25 | omoore | that talks about both java and c++ dev on the zaurus |
| 06:32.15 | NeoTron | mutexer: you can install whereever you want, except the bin and app info code and icon |
| 06:33.07 | mutexer | whats a good place |
| 06:33.14 | mutexer | I think I installed it in some share dir on my first game |
| 06:34.31 | mutexer | would /home/Qtopia/appname be an ok place? |
| 06:34.35 | NeoTron | no |
| 06:34.41 | NeoTron | not on the "root" of QPEDIR |
| 06:34.46 | NeoTron | I use lib/appname |
| 06:34.56 | mutexer | this is for a savegame file |
| 06:34.56 | TCMAN | share/appname maybe ? |
| 06:35.03 | omoore | i really like the network applet on the 5600 .. so well thoughtout |
| 06:35.19 | mutexer | your not root on the 5600 are you? |
| 06:35.24 | omoore | nope |
| 06:35.32 | mutexer | so I need a friendly directory |
| 06:35.33 | omoore | you are 'zaurus' |
| 06:35.41 | TCMAN | mutexer: savageme in /root/.game |
| 06:35.47 | omoore | but you can read files |
| 06:35.55 | omoore | then save in ${HOME}/.game |
| 06:36.22 | mutexer | that variable gonna work from C++ though? |
| 06:36.31 | omoore | the game could read /home/*/.gamerc files to display "high scores" and such |
| 06:36.38 | TCMAN | mutexer getenv() |
| 06:37.28 | mutexer | getenv("$HOME") + QString("/.appname") |
| 06:37.31 | mutexer | like that? |
| 06:37.44 | TCMAN | getenv("HOME") |
| 06:37.57 | mutexer | that returns a string with the path? |
| 06:37.57 | TCMAN | $ means in bash get value of following variable :) |
| 06:38.16 | mutexer | i.e. that would return /root/ on my Zaurus? |
| 06:38.22 | mutexer | "/root" I mean |
| 06:38.38 | mutexer | or "/home/root" whatever it is |
| 06:38.42 | TCMAN | mutexer: type echo $HOME in your konsole |
| 06:39.18 | mutexer | /home/root |
| 06:39.46 | TCMAN | mutexer: its /root on mine :) |
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| 06:44.05 | mutexer | you have a 5500? |
| 06:44.43 | TCMAN | mutexer: 5500 with OZ |
| 06:45.02 | TCMAN | 3.2 and /root -> /mnt/card/root |
| 06:45.09 | omoore | TCMAN: hey man.. thx for assiting my first OZ flash recently... |
| 06:45.12 | mutexer | IM on a 5000 with sharp |
| 06:45.41 | omoore | TCMAN: falshing my 5500 with OZ now since i now have the demo units (i'm the guy who required the Sharp voice recorder over the OZ recorder) |
| 06:45.45 | TCMAN | omoore: hi, i dont remember any great "assisting" :) |
| 06:45.49 | mutexer | what header file do I need to use getenv? |
| 06:45.55 | TCMAN | omoore: yeah |
| 06:46.02 | TCMAN | man getenv |
| 06:46.03 | omoore | TCMAN: well. just provided warm fuzzy more than anything |
| 06:46.23 | TCMAN | stdlib.h |
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| 06:46.46 | TCMAN | omoore: can you measure size of the 5600 battery ? |
| 06:47.10 | TCMAN | omoore: or maybe take photos side by side of 5600 and 5500 batteries ? |
| 06:47.12 | omoore | TCMAN: yeah.. maybe not reall accurately.. but i can also... |
| 06:47.19 | omoore | heh. yeah. .jsut what i was going to say |
| 06:47.38 | omoore | i'll get a real good closeup from top/side/bottom for you |
| 06:47.48 | TCMAN | omoore: it would be great |
| 06:47.52 | omoore | let me finish putting the OZ images on the CF card first |
| 06:48.09 | TCMAN | omoore: i saw something about some japanese guy fitting 5600 battery into C700 |
| 06:48.15 | TCMAN | omoore: np |
| 06:48.27 | omoore | cool |
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| 07:01.06 | omoore | doing it now TCMAN |
| 07:01.58 | TCMAN | omoore: great |
| 07:02.47 | yeiazel | TCMAN: I'll try to put a b500 battery in a 5000d |
| 07:03.00 | yeiazel | just need to meet SuKoSh|, he's got the battery... :) |
| 07:03.29 | TCMAN | yeiazel: hehe, is it bigger capacity ? |
| 07:03.43 | yeiazel | yes |
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| 07:04.24 | yeiazel | TCMAN: 1700 mAh iirc |
| 07:05.29 | yeiazel | and I'll ask t a battery shop for an external battery, if it's not too large... |
| 07:05.44 | TCMAN | yeiazel: sweet |
| 07:05.52 | yeiazel | I'd really love to have batteries for 20 or 30h... :) |
| 07:06.02 | TCMAN | yeiazel: what kind of external battery ? |
| 07:06.07 | yeiazel | dunno |
| 07:06.24 | yeiazel | I'll ask to as specialist :) |
| 07:06.48 | TCMAN | yeiazel: i was thinking about getting some camcorder battery from ebay :) |
| 07:07.01 | yeiazel | hehe :) |
| 07:07.49 | yeiazel | I've got a sweet little case, not made for the Z at all, and if I can have some ext. batterie just a bit smaller than the Z, I think it would fit in it |
| 07:07.51 | TCMAN | yeiazel: i saw some 3.6v 5500mah, about half of the Z size |
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| 07:08.16 | yeiazel | s/batterie/battery/ |
| 07:08.19 | yeiazel | fucking french :p |
| 07:18.43 | omoore | TCMAN: just finished... let me put them up |
| 07:19.30 | TCMAN | omoore: great |
| 07:19.54 | noidd | hmm, ipkg SEGV goodness |
| 07:20.13 | omoore | TCMAN: see if you can hit http://www.okmoore.com/zaurus_battery (i just switched hosting services, i'm seeing the new one, you may not) |
| 07:20.20 | omoore | they are there |
| 07:20.59 | omoore | holy crap.. forgot to scale #6 :) |
| 07:21.16 | noidd | you saw me download it eh? ;-) |
| 07:21.22 | TCMAN | battery terminals seem to be in the same place |
| 07:21.41 | omoore | yeah.. the "tit" is what'll get you |
| 07:22.01 | omoore | cant really tell if it's save to file it off |
| 07:22.03 | TCMAN | omoore: i can cut it off |
| 07:22.06 | omoore | think you prolly could |
| 07:22.34 | omoore | that's what keeps it from going in the 5500 |
| 07:22.43 | omoore | (well.. and the thickness |
| 07:22.44 | omoore | ) |
| 07:23.00 | TCMAN | omoore: thanks for the photos |
| 07:23.03 | omoore | np |
| 07:23.13 | TCMAN | omoore: it should fit in without battery cover |
| 07:23.19 | omoore | i'll leave them up for a while |
| 07:23.29 | TCMAN | omoore: but then i have lots of duck tape :) |
| 07:23.35 | omoore | heh |
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| 07:25.27 | omoore | TCMAN: btw.. since youare in to mods... |
| 07:25.40 | TCMAN | omoore: yeah ? |
| 07:25.42 | omoore | TCMAN: you know the usb cable snaps right out if you unscrew the cradle? |
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| 07:25.57 | omoore | i remove the usb cable on all my cradles |
| 07:26.13 | TCMAN | omoore: i dont know, i have cradle at work, and i have never manage it to synch with OZ anyway :) |
| 07:26.26 | omoore | i sync.. just over tcpip |
| 07:26.31 | omoore | (via 802.11) |
| 07:26.35 | noidd | damnit kergoth, big fooking pull |
| 07:26.43 | omoore | since usb is tcp/ip :) |
| 07:26.54 | omoore | er.. well.. you get my point |
| 07:27.34 | TCMAN | omoore: you sync with OZ or Sharp ROM ? |
| 07:28.17 | omoore | sharp at the moment |
| 07:28.25 | omoore | well. i really don't sync |
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| 07:28.55 | omoore | i use the qtopia to install/remove on the sharp rom setup.. but with oz.. i'll never really sync |
| 07:29.05 | omoore | i just work off my z for calendar (via vnc) |
| 07:29.14 | omoore | and email is imap |
| 07:29.19 | omoore | so both always have it |
| 07:29.24 | mutexer | Anyone know what would cause my ipk to not install all the files it suppose too? |
| 07:29.44 | omoore | contacts are only issue |
| 07:29.47 | TCMAN | it would be usefull to me to sync calendar with stupid outlook, so i dont miss meetings :) |
| 07:29.54 | omoore | heh. yeha |
| 07:29.57 | omoore | er. yeah |
| 07:32.15 | Com[Plex] | I still cant type in vnc |
| 07:32.30 | TCMAN | Com[Plex]: busybox update was needed for that |
| 07:32.33 | Zxcvb | TCMAN: be sure to disable javascript |
| 07:32.37 | omoore | Com[Plex]: that happended to me... |
| 07:33.00 | omoore | Com[Plex]: i removed.. rebooted.. reinstalled.. rebooted.. did the screen taps in upper left/lower right right off on reboot |
| 07:33.38 | omoore | i find that happes too if you restore from a backup |
| 07:33.57 | omoore | (such as when you backup to cf card then clone that unit onto other units via restore) |
| 07:35.14 | noidd | ok, piece of advice |
| 07:35.29 | noidd | don't install the version of ipkg in the unstable/testing feed |
| 07:36.14 | omoore | heh.. or at least do a backup before hand? :) |
| 07:36.33 | Zxcvb | can you safely clone the zaurus? |
| 07:36.41 | Zxcvb | or does it use some GUID (like the palm) for syncing |
| 07:36.47 | omoore | i have not had problems so far.. well... |
| 07:36.52 | omoore | by doing backup/restore anyway |
| 07:37.05 | omoore | it took the progs i installed after the fact too |
| 07:37.13 | omoore | only app i had issues with was vnc |
| 07:37.18 | omoore | (see above) |
| 07:38.37 | Zxcvb | omoore: I think that is a symlink issue |
| 07:39.23 | omoore | Zxcvb: you may be right.. no biggie tho.. was still loads faster than reconfiging and installing everything... |
| 07:39.54 | omoore | Zxcvb: and i just changed the original to have the installer on there, just not installed |
| 07:40.32 | omoore | Zxcvb: so now i just restore, install vnc, reboot, tap-tap calibrate vnc, done |
| 07:41.02 | noidd | omoore: clone as much as you like |
| 07:48.24 | Zxcvb | just ordered a new memory card |
| 07:48.31 | Zxcvb | OZ 3.2 on tuesday |
| 07:49.01 | Zxcvb | anyone here do divx? |
| 07:53.02 | TCMAN | Zxcvb: yeah |
| 07:53.59 | Zxcvb | TCMAN: is 512MB of CF enough? |
| 07:54.13 | yeiazel | yes |
| 07:54.37 | TCMAN | Zxcvb: yes, most movies i do are below 200mb |
| 07:55.04 | TCMAN | Zxcvb: in 240x100 or something, 22khz mono |
| 07:55.28 | NeoTron | interesting |
| 07:55.53 | NeoTron | if I make my large images be stored in 8 bpp rather than 16 bpp, the compressed size is larger |
| 07:56.26 | noidd | I need some mpegs to test with |
| 07:56.38 | noidd | unfortunatly, the only mpegs that are easily available are porn :-P |
| 07:56.50 | yeiazel | porn on the Z |
| 07:57.06 | yeiazel | in the train's toilets :p |
| 07:57.16 | noidd | awwe |
| 07:57.23 | noidd | not an image I wanted |
| 07:57.31 | Zxcvb | rip them from DVDs |
| 07:57.45 | noidd | software to rip dvds into mpegs? |
| 07:57.51 | yeiazel | transcode |
| 07:57.56 | noidd | I need to look at some video editing stuff actually |
| 07:58.00 | Zxcvb | it's illegal in the US, though |
| 07:58.21 | Zxcvb | but so are konqueror and opera |
| 07:58.25 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: not if it's a self-made dvd :) |
| 07:58.57 | yeiazel | with holidays video, your kids running on the beach, and so... :p |
| 07:59.11 | noidd | it would be covered by UK fair use laws |
| 07:59.11 | TCMAN | yeiazel: yeah, right |
| 07:59.45 | yeiazel | noidd: hehe :) |
| 08:03.13 | Zxcvb | noidd: EUCD |
| 08:03.24 | Zxcvb | noidd: of course, the UK is breaking the law by failing to implement it |
| 08:03.53 | noidd | rubbish |
| 08:04.03 | noidd | EU law is actually whats upholding that descision |
| 08:04.12 | noidd | declaration of human rights |
| 08:04.21 | noidd | the right to enjoy your property |
| 08:04.25 | Zxcvb | noidd: isn't that UN? |
| 08:04.37 | TCMAN | you have right to pay for everything :)))) |
| 08:04.38 | noidd | includes the ability to change media without any penalty |
| 08:04.48 | noidd | ie, CD -> tape |
| 08:04.51 | noidd | make backups etc |
| 08:04.58 | Zxcvb | noidd: don't new EU directives override older ones if there is a conflict? |
| 08:08.00 | yeiazel | We have the "private copy right" here in France. You can backup any data, as long as you keep these copy for yourself... |
| 08:08.31 | yeiazel | you can have a tape in your car, a cd in your hifi, a mp3 or ogg in your computer... |
| 08:09.06 | yeiazel | when buying a cd, you buy the possibility to listen to the music. like licence for software... |
| 08:10.39 | TCMAN | yeiazel: beautiful theory :) |
| 08:10.58 | yeiazel | it's not a theory |
| 08:11.01 | yeiazel | it's the french law |
| 08:11.18 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: but not if you have to circumvent |
| 08:11.34 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: so CD --> mp3 is fine, but DVD --> divx is not |
| 08:11.42 | yeiazel | yes it is |
| 08:12.03 | TCMAN | yeiazel: next time you know france will be invaded by "copyright freedom" fighters :) |
| 08:12.08 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: then france is breaking the law, as the EUCD overrides all that, including the human rights declaration |
| 08:12.16 | yeiazel | vhs => vhs is fine, dvd => divx too |
| 08:12.48 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: dvd=>divx requires circumventing the CSS protection |
| 08:13.11 | raceme | yeiazel is right, in France youare authorised to copy an audio cd to a cdr[w] only if: _you_ make the copy on _your_ burner from an _original_ cd. The original cd can come from anywhere (even rented on a library or from a friend) |
| 08:13.14 | yeiazel | all dvds are not css protected |
| 08:13.23 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: unless france intends to withdraw (illegaly) from the EU |
| 08:13.31 | Zxcvb | raceme: that is before the EUCD |
| 08:13.35 | raceme | you are not required to own the original cd |
| 08:13.38 | yeiazel | and it's not illegal to circumvent the CSS protection on France |
| 08:13.52 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: then france (the country) is breaking the law |
| 08:13.53 | noidd | its not illegal to circumvent CSS protection in the EU |
| 08:13.59 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: no |
| 08:13.59 | Zxcvb | noidd: EUCD |
| 08:14.09 | raceme | Zxcvb: EUCD is not applied yet in france |
| 08:14.10 | noidd | give me a link to the EUCD |
| 08:14.19 | yeiazel | yes, EUCD is not applied in France |
| 08:14.28 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: then france is breaking the law |
| 08:14.34 | yeiazel | WHICH law ? |
| 08:14.34 | raceme | Zxcvb: no |
| 08:14.41 | noidd | 1tell us something new :-) |
| 08:14.50 | noidd | france breaks EU law on a regular basis |
| 08:14.50 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: as france has failed to apply it by the deadline |
| 08:15.02 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: the same with norway, netherlands, the UK, etc |
| 08:15.07 | noidd | and people wonder why I hate europe, fuckers |
| 08:15.11 | raceme | Zxcvb: eucd is an european guideline that eu country are encouraged to implement with local laws... consider that franch government is slow on this point :) |
| 08:15.25 | noidd | "encouraged to implement with local laws" |
| 08:15.29 | noidd | there ya go |
| 08:15.36 | raceme | Zxcvb: what is your native country ? |
| 08:15.42 | Zxcvb | USA |
| 08:16.14 | raceme | Zxcvb: stop criticize others and look at your country which is far than heaven |
| 08:16.29 | Zxcvb | raceme: tell me something I don't know |
| 08:16.49 | noidd | I'd rather have the US's laws than frances, no offense |
| 08:17.08 | Zxcvb | i'd rather have dutch laws |
| 08:17.11 | noidd | but frances political and legal system is corrupt |
| 08:17.18 | raceme | Zxcvb: there is no bad and good side. world is not white or black. france have defaults and usa have defaults too... |
| 08:17.31 | raceme | noidd: hahahahaha |
| 08:17.43 | TCMAN | noidd: like US isnt ? |
| 08:17.47 | raceme | noidd: because USA government is not corrupted vy integrist WASP ? |
| 08:17.58 | noidd | they all are, but Charac is ammazing |
| 08:18.06 | Zxcvb | i doubt there are more than a handful of countries that aren't corrupt |
| 08:18.07 | yeiazel | Chirac is a liar |
| 08:18.10 | noidd | passes a law which says that he can't be prosecuted for corruption |
| 08:18.13 | yeiazel | everybody know this :) |
| 08:18.21 | raceme | isn't the vice president of USA against aborption even in case of incest or rape ? nice freedom country... |
| 08:18.24 | noidd | how corrupt can you get |
| 08:18.53 | TCMAN | we need opesource country without laws and politicians :))) |
| 08:18.55 | noidd | raceme: the views of one person don't make a law. |
| 08:19.06 | raceme | isn't the vice predisent of USA in the board of the company which deals contract of reconstruction of yougoslavia, afghanistan and irak ? |
| 08:19.08 | noidd | have you guys seen thefreestate project? |
| 08:19.13 | Zxcvb | at least that pen person didn't get elected |
| 08:19.23 | Zxcvb | where would you have such a country, the moon? |
| 08:19.35 | raceme | don't talk me about corrupted government if you come from usa it will save me from laughting on my screen |
| 08:19.48 | Zxcvb | raceme: you should see mexico |
| 08:19.50 | noidd | i'm not from the US |
| 08:19.54 | noidd | i'm from the UK |
| 08:20.05 | Zxcvb | UK isn't that bad |
| 08:20.13 | raceme | i don't know mexico so i won't speak about it |
| 08:20.26 | noidd | the UK is pretty good on corruption |
| 08:20.34 | noidd | if people even get slightly tainted they resign |
| 08:20.42 | noidd | unlike france where they pass an immunity law |
| 08:20.56 | Zxcvb | hey, the US has such immunity laws too |
| 08:21.10 | noidd | or in the US where anyone who suggests corruption is declared a foriegn combatant and sent to camp x-ray |
| 08:21.16 | Zxcvb | just watch out for total information awareness |
| 08:21.31 | Zxcvb | it could very well decide to launch nukes at russia and china |
| 08:21.52 | noidd | the war against china is about food and trade |
| 08:21.54 | Zxcvb | TIA is supposed to be a self-aware computer system to fight terrorism |
| 08:21.56 | noidd | not weapons |
| 08:22.10 | raceme | everyone in france know that chirac is a liar and a thief. but we didn't have choice because most part of french average citizen didn't vote on the first election. This is bad and a shame but it will be corrected on the next elections. |
| 08:22.17 | Zxcvb | noidd: you have a self-aware computer system told to fight terrorism, what is the fastest way to do that? |
| 08:22.18 | noidd | the rest of the world is purposefully keeping china down |
| 08:22.27 | noidd | nuke everywhere |
| 08:22.30 | Zxcvb | noidd: launch nukes at china and russia, and they counterattack, destroying humanity |
| 08:22.41 | noidd | possibility of terrorist attack when population of the earth is zero? zero. |
| 08:22.51 | Zxcvb | noidd: TIA will be self-aware, as in sentient |
| 08:22.57 | Zxcvb | noidd: an artificial life form |
| 08:23.09 | raceme | terrorism... hahaha... sure irak is where terrorism come from... this is why nobody found anything in irak even now that US army is on the site... |
| 08:23.27 | noidd | they wouldn't be that stupid to allow it to perform actions without organic interface |
| 08:23.37 | Zxcvb | noidd: they wouldn't have a choice |
| 08:23.44 | noidd | raceme, its iraq |
| 08:23.48 | Zxcvb | noidd: you have a sentient computer with the ability to reason |
| 08:23.56 | Zxcvb | noidd: TIA would find a way around it |
| 08:23.56 | raceme | noidd: thanks :) |
| 08:23.57 | noidd | when you can spell the countries name, we may let you talk about the politics surrounding it |
| 08:24.01 | Zxcvb | noidd: think skynet |
| 08:24.19 | Zxcvb | noidd: this is true AI we are talking about |
| 08:24.34 | noidd | Thank you for my new .signature |
| 08:24.46 | Zxcvb | noidd: it could trick norad into thinking that the US was under nuclear attack |
| 08:26.13 | nessie | noidd: you should be more open to other culture. In French, the country is called Irak. |
| 08:27.14 | noidd | In france, I thought the country was called "Chirac's retirement village" |
| 08:27.27 | noidd | and its not culture, its langauge |
| 08:27.33 | raceme | anyway if you stick to CNN to have an opinion about other countries your view is biaised |
| 08:27.39 | noidd | although we can discuss the influence of language on culture if you like. |
| 08:27.54 | noidd | raceme, I agree. |
| 08:28.06 | noidd | raceme: it may surprise you to know that I was actually at one of the anti-war rallys |
| 08:28.12 | nessie | noidd: Language & culture are linked btw. |
| 08:28.17 | yeiazel | noidd: if you want to spell the country name, learn to write arabic |
| 08:28.18 | raceme | I went many times in england during the last 5 years and I can tell you that information is manipulated in france about UK and in UK about France for example |
| 08:28.46 | noidd | nessie: very true, we can discuss that link should you wish. Its a pet subject of mine. |
| 08:28.56 | TCMAN | i liked it when there was written on CNN website that dropping bombs and tomahawks is "psychological warfare" |
| 08:28.58 | TCMAN | fuck |
| 08:29.08 | noidd | yeiazel: absolutely, but since we're speaking english in ascii ... we have to work at our closest approximations |
| 08:29.11 | Zxcvb | watch out at those rallies |
| 08:29.14 | raceme | noidd: I was very pleaded and surprised to see so many people in the street in england in fact :) |
| 08:29.21 | Zxcvb | here in the US, there have been threats of sniper attacks |
| 08:29.29 | noidd | what about the people who write japanese in ascii... its still propper isn't it? |
| 08:29.30 | nessie | noidd: I don't think this chan is the best place for that. |
| 08:29.45 | yeiazel | noidd: "irak" is as good as "iraq" |
| 08:29.58 | noidd | raceme: it was the right thing to do at the time. The war was done for the wrong reasons. |
| 08:30.09 | noidd | However, the moment our troops go in, they have our 100% support. |
| 08:30.22 | noidd | It is possible to support the troops and still be against the war |
| 08:30.30 | raceme | noidd: i can understand that |
| 08:30.33 | Zxcvb | noidd: though extremely tricky |
| 08:30.42 | noidd | but once the troops are in, withdrawl isn't an option since it would turn saddam into a diety |
| 08:31.02 | noidd | yeiazel, I agree |
| 08:31.09 | noidd | if the sentance was in french |
| 08:31.12 | noidd | :-) |
| 08:31.47 | noidd | hey mickely |
| 08:32.01 | raceme | the country name is iraq in english and irak in french which are both different from the real name in iraqi language. So both are acceptable :) |
| 08:32.08 | noidd | Its hard, because I think that going in was a mistake |
| 08:32.21 | noidd | but seeing the final outcome, I wonder if the end justifies the means |
| 08:33.05 | TCMAN | they should have killed saddam with orbital laser :) |
| 08:33.16 | raceme | everybody knows that going in was a mistake leaded by the USA for false reasons. Everybody knows that Saddam had to be removed. But not this way and not whith this false official reasons. |
| 08:33.26 | TCMAN | or there is no orbital laser in this game ? |
| 08:34.02 | noidd | bah, si la phrase etait en francais puis employez l'Irak nomme |
| 08:34.06 | raceme | TCMAN: didn't you know that norad can make you a tatoo on your face from their satellites ? ;) |
| 08:34.16 | noidd | if the sentance is in english, use the name Iraq |
| 08:34.21 | noidd | call me old fashoned |
| 08:34.55 | noidd | please excuse my REALLY rusty french |
| 08:35.05 | noidd | its been 10 years |
| 08:35.08 | yeiazel | :) |
| 08:35.35 | noidd | dw i'n siarad cymraig yn dda |
| 08:35.54 | noidd | Welsh is my current linquistic target |
| 08:36.08 | noidd | although emigrating to the US I guess I should start to learn spanish |
| 08:36.24 | TCMAN | yeah, spanish is useful in california |
| 08:36.36 | noidd | hehe |
| 08:36.39 | raceme | el espanol es una bella idioma :) |
| 08:36.41 | TCMAN | yeiazel: why ? |
| 08:37.06 | yeiazel | I've ogg-encoded a "copy controlled cd" |
| 08:37.08 | TCMAN | no habla inglese |
| 08:37.16 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: how? |
| 08:37.16 | yeiazel | breaking US laws... if I was in the US |
| 08:37.26 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: analog copy? |
| 08:37.28 | TCMAN | yeiazel: all damn american teens are criminals |
| 08:37.44 | yeiazel | Zxcvb: you can rip these CDs sooo easily |
| 08:37.53 | yeiazel | but I can't listen to this Cd |
| 08:37.55 | noidd | spanish is going to be the official language of the US in 20 years or so anyways |
| 08:38.03 | yeiazel | on any cd player I have |
| 08:38.05 | yeiazel | none works |
| 08:38.11 | yeiazel | I've just beed able to rip the tracks |
| 08:38.14 | yeiazel | and encode them |
| 08:38.20 | yeiazel | s/beed/been/ |
| 08:38.30 | yeiazel | really, this "protection" works well ! |
| 08:38.50 | yeiazel | noidd: will the US still exist in 20 years !? :) |
| 08:39.23 | noidd | in its current form with its current constitution, i'm not too sure |
| 08:39.23 | TCMAN | yeiazel: will US be a country where anyone wants to live in 20 years ? :) |
| 08:39.30 | yeiazel | TCMAN: hehe :) |
| 08:39.34 | raceme | this protections are almost illegal in france. and this cd cannot be called cd: they are not conform to the cd specifications. |
| 08:39.43 | noidd | the US is embarking down the road that the UK took, and they're not learning the lessons |
| 08:39.54 | yeiazel | yes, the "compact disc" logo is totally removed from these discs |
| 08:39.57 | noidd | the UK is a shithole |
| 08:40.03 | raceme | noidd: what road ? |
| 08:40.13 | noidd | see, thats something that me and our french friends here will agree on ;-0 |
| 08:40.19 | TCMAN | yeiazel: it doesnt matter because i will be in prison as soon as they install thought scanners |
| 08:40.34 | yeiazel | TCMAN: hehehe :) |
| 08:40.42 | noidd | raceme: sacrificing personal freedoms for security of the state |
| 08:40.44 | raceme | noidd: are you from england ? or wales ? ... |
| 08:40.48 | noidd | Wales |
| 08:40.59 | noidd | Pays du Mouton |
| 08:41.11 | noidd | err, if I spelt that last word correctly |
| 08:41.12 | raceme | noidd: you mean for example safety cameras including toilets at victoria station for example ? |
| 08:41.41 | TCMAN | raceme: there are cameras in toilets ? |
| 08:41.46 | noidd | i'm thinking more along personal defense and the fallout from that |
| 08:41.48 | raceme | noidd: yes spelt correctly :) |
| 08:41.50 | raceme | TCMAN: there are |
| 08:42.04 | noidd | seems its not that rusty then :-) |
| 08:42.36 | raceme | TCMAN: not in the cabin but when you stand yes there are camera in the british railway stations including victoria and waterloo |
| 08:42.46 | TCMAN | raceme: thats even better than cameras in fitting rooms :) |
| 08:43.19 | TCMAN | i saw one restroom with "webcam 1" "webcam 2" "webcam 3" labels over urinals :) |
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| 08:45.49 | TCMAN | it was a joke though :) |
| 08:45.53 | TCMAN | i hope :) |
| 08:46.02 | yeiazel | you *hope* :) |
| 08:46.42 | TCMAN | yeiazel: it was a respected tech company :) |
| 08:47.15 | yeiazel | tech company ? |
| 08:47.19 | yeiazel | it wasn't a joke |
| 08:47.20 | yeiazel | :p |
| 08:47.55 | TCMAN | yeiazel: hehe |
| 08:48.26 | TCMAN | yeiazel: so maybe somebody enjoyed watching my balls :))) |
| 08:48.38 | yeiazel | yes ! |
| 08:48.41 | yeiazel | the boss |
| 08:48.41 | yeiazel | :p |
| 08:48.58 | noidd | hehe |
| 08:50.05 | TCMAN | yeiazel: i just was on visit there :) |
| 08:50.14 | raceme | we have in france a city which looks like england about camera surveillance. they put cameras everywhere in the town... now people want to remove all the cameras :) |
| 08:51.03 | Zxcvb | raceme: why bother with cameras? |
| 08:51.18 | Zxcvb | raceme: if someone wants to do something serious, they would hook up a tesla coil to the mains |
| 08:52.22 | raceme | Zxcvb: i cannot stand to ask me evrytime: ma i watched by a camera ? Can i scratch my nose or my ass and reajust my balls or is a camera to record that ? :) |
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| 08:53.03 | TCMAN | raceme: whats wrong with scratching your balls on camera ? :) |
| 08:53.20 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 08:53.28 | pyromance | Just don't scratch someone else's balls on camera |
| 08:53.34 | raceme | pyromance: :) |
| 08:53.48 | pyromance | Hey ;) |
| 08:55.11 | raceme | i am from ones who are not self confident when there is a camera especially when it is not clearly stated... |
| 08:55.55 | TCMAN | raceme: is it a reverse stage fright ? :))) |
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| 08:56.19 | pyromance | Heh... I'm only confident around cameras when I'm in my stage character |
| 08:56.50 | raceme | TCMAN: what is a reverse stage fright ? |
| 08:58.03 | pyromance | ... |
| 08:58.08 | TCMAN | raceme: stage fright is when you are afraid on stage or when on camera |
| 08:58.13 | pyromance | But that's 'cause my stage character is really fuckin' cool |
| 08:58.19 | raceme | last year i gave a conference at linux expo in paris and i found 10 minutes before start that there was a huge camera in front of me and i didn't get warned... It pissed me of a lot ! |
| 08:59.00 | TCMAN | raceme: hehe, i had a talk on GDC lately |
| 08:59.10 | TCMAN | raceme: i was scared shitless before the talk |
| 08:59.18 | raceme | TCMAN: gdc ? |
| 08:59.22 | TCMAN | raceme: but when i started talking it went all right |
| 08:59.44 | TCMAN | raceme: game developers conference, a talk about converting 3dsmax materials to high level shaders |
| 08:59.49 | raceme | TCMAN: yes start talking everything is fine (except if people rise and leave hehe) |
| 09:00.44 | pyromance | raceme: talks on what? |
| 09:02.03 | TCMAN | raceme: thankfully they didnt :))) |
| 09:02.21 | raceme | pyromance: reducing a distribution for embedded use |
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| 09:04.51 | raceme | i even made an english version of it because it was planned to give it in milan embedded meeting but it didn't occur :( |
| 09:05.17 | noidd | damn raceme, I would have found that very interesting |
| 09:05.48 | noidd | they do the camaera thing at the YAPC::Europe conferences, but you are asked in advance to give consent |
| 09:06.44 | pyromance | DAMN RED HAT |
| 09:06.45 | pyromance | grr |
| 09:06.46 | raceme | noidd: you can grad the english text here: http://www.alcove.com/alcove/ressources/conferences/linux-expo-Paris-2002/index |
| 09:06.58 | noidd | luckly, I did a 4 hours talk, so no camera for me :-) |
| 09:07.03 | noidd | thanks |
| 09:07.05 | raceme | noidd: french slides and english text :) |
| 09:07.13 | pyromance | It assigned the NEW ethernet card as eth0 and moved the existing one to eth1. Why would it do something so DUMB? |
| 09:07.33 | raceme | noidd: you have to fill registration, put anything in the fields :) |
| 09:08.11 | noidd | Rduire une distribution pour les mes embarqus |
| 09:08.22 | noidd | looks distinctly french to me :-P |
| 09:09.00 | TCMAN | pyromance: dont worry, in suse yast you cannot delete old cards :) |
| 09:09.12 | pyromance | This is because Suse sucks. |
| 09:09.13 | pyromance | heh |
| 09:09.22 | TCMAN | pyromance: so when you put new one it gets name eth1 by configurator but eth0 by kernel |
| 09:09.32 | pyromance | I want to get a T-shirt that says YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM SUCKS |
| 09:09.40 | noidd | information is free (as long as you give us your email address so we can spam you) |
| 09:09.42 | TCMAN | pyromance: fortunately deleting shit from /etc/sysconfig helps |
| 09:09.51 | raceme | noidd: Par le même ingénieur : "Reducing a GNU/Linux distributionfor embedded use" (en anglais) |
| 09:10.47 | Zxcvb | raceme: not to mention it is very easy to obtain those tapes |
| 09:11.35 | noidd | yup |
| 09:11.46 | raceme | i guess so... |
| 09:12.22 | raceme | noidd: just put anything in the fields :) anyway my company does not do spam. well i hope :) |
| 09:12.37 | noidd | ah yes, thats the same text but in LaTeX article format instead of slides |
| 09:12.48 | noidd | so I assume you used LaTeX to generate your slides? |
| 09:12.51 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 09:12.54 | Zxcvb | raceme: nah, they probably just store it all in plain text in a world readable directory on the website |
| 09:13.10 | raceme | noidd: your assumption is correct :) |
| 09:13.11 | pyromance | I use LaTeX to prevent spawning child proceesses. |
| 09:13.27 | noidd | pyro, haha |
| 09:13.41 | noidd | *that* has to go on a t-shirt |
| 09:13.41 | Zxcvb | raceme: believe it or not, most sites that get hacked and have credit card numbers stolen are hacked like this http://www.stupidsite.com/customerdata/cdatabase.txt |
| 09:13.43 | raceme | Zxcvb: you means email adresses ? well I don't think so. |
| 09:14.08 | noidd | LaTeX is joyous |
| 09:14.16 | noidd | which package did you use to make your clides? |
| 09:14.17 | Zxcvb | raceme: that is how most sites get their credit card numbers taken |
| 09:14.18 | noidd | err, slides |
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| 09:14.38 | Zxcvb | raceme: the "hacker" just types in http://stupidsite.com/customerdata/database.txt |
| 09:14.43 | raceme | noidd: a package named alcoveslides :) |
| 09:15.38 | pyromance | Oh baby |
| 09:15.44 | pyromance | Let's get together and use some LaTeX! |
| 09:16.16 | raceme | noidd: http://www.courseforge.org/alcoveformats/ (sorry it is in french, i told thousand times to translate and improve this site) |
| 09:16.48 | noidd | no problem |
| 09:16.57 | noidd | I read french better than I write it |
| 09:17.10 | noidd | I have completely lost my ability to speak tho |
| 09:17.23 | noidd | whenever I try to speak french, Welsh words come out |
| 09:17.39 | noidd | so i'll have sentances with both lnaguages |
| 09:17.48 | noidd | its bazaar, but the way the human brain works |
| 09:17.49 | TCMAN | noidd: where are you born ? |
| 09:18.01 | noidd | I grew up in Wales |
| 09:18.10 | noidd | but Welsh is not a native language for me |
| 09:18.31 | TCMAN | noidd: ahh, does anyone use welsh in everyday life ? |
| 09:18.37 | noidd | family was not native welsh speakers, so my Welsh langauges skills are learned |
| 09:18.44 | noidd | TC: yes |
| 09:18.58 | TCMAN | noidd: wow, cool |
| 09:19.04 | noidd | last cencus showed 40% of the population |
| 09:19.15 | noidd | speak it fluently and regularly |
| 09:19.24 | pyromance | I only speak two languages. English and bad English. |
| 09:19.41 | noidd | learning a language is damn hard |
| 09:19.52 | Zxcvb | does welsh still use words? |
| 09:19.57 | noidd | english is one of the hardest though alledgedly |
| 09:20.01 | pyromance | But I am a master at grep, awk, and sed |
| 09:20.02 | Zxcvb | noidd: nope |
| 09:20.02 | raceme | noidd: what sort of language is welsh ? looks like what other language ? |
| 09:20.14 | noidd | its celtic |
| 09:20.20 | TCMAN | polish, english, and learned russian, german and italian |
| 09:20.23 | Zxcvb | noidd: how about languages where "i am going to the store" is really movement/travel, then store/market |
| 09:20.24 | noidd | so looks like gaelic, |
| 09:20.32 | raceme | noidd: like gaelic ? |
| 09:20.39 | Zxcvb | noidd: that is, no words at all, only concepts |
| 09:20.45 | noidd | dw i'n mynd i'r siop |
| 09:20.54 | noidd | literal translation is |
| 09:20.55 | raceme | ok should look like "bretons" we have in france... :) |
| 09:20.56 | Zxcvb | noidd: so you have one thing for movement/travel, then another for store/market |
| 09:21.08 | noidd | am I (no trans) to the shop |
| 09:21.18 | Zxcvb | noidd: too much |
| 09:21.29 | Zxcvb | noidd: in a few languages, you do not use words |
| 09:21.41 | Zxcvb | noidd: no verbs, no nouns, nothing like that |
| 09:21.41 | noidd | ah, understood |
| 09:21.45 | noidd | no, Welsh uses words |
| 09:21.48 | Zxcvb | noidd: just movement, and market |
| 09:21.51 | noidd | has verbs, nouns etc |
| 09:21.54 | Zxcvb | noidd: like chinese or japanese |
| 09:22.07 | noidd | but, in Welsh you don't have to conjegate verbs :-D |
| 09:22.11 | Zxcvb | noidd: so it is a word based language, which makes it easier to learn |
| 09:22.24 | noidd | yes, its word bared |
| 09:22.29 | noidd | err, based |
| 09:22.37 | Zxcvb | noidd: but has disadvantages as well |
| 09:22.48 | noidd | breton is actually one of the closest languages to welsh |
| 09:22.55 | noidd | Zxcvb: like all things |
| 09:23.14 | noidd | I would love to learn chinese, but never able to ake up my mind whether to learn mandarin or cantonese |
| 09:23.22 | noidd | so I should probably do japanese |
| 09:23.34 | noidd | I'd like to learn a non-romantic language |
| 09:23.36 | Zxcvb | noidd: considered any of the linear languages? |
| 09:23.46 | noidd | like ? |
| 09:23.48 | Zxcvb | noidd: btw, it is impossible to learn to speak those correctly, only read/write |
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| 09:23.53 | Zxcvb | noidd: linear B |
| 09:24.07 | Zxcvb | noidd: it has been mostly figured out |
| 09:24.21 | Zxcvb | noidd: very ancient, before babylonian and such |
| 09:24.24 | music | Zxcvb: Why waste your time on Sanskrit? |
| 09:24.29 | noidd | oh, now that would be interesting |
| 09:24.31 | Zxcvb | music: before that |
| 09:24.39 | music | I know |
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| 09:25.09 | noidd | learning arabic might be a wise thing to do right about now too |
| 09:25.18 | Zxcvb | noidd: which arabic? |
| 09:25.31 | music | Enough to follow al-Jazeera |
| 09:25.35 | noidd | no clue, don't know enough about it |
| 09:25.51 | Zxcvb | noidd: well in hebrew, for example, modern hebrew is nothing like the original |
| 09:25.58 | Zxcvb | noidd: they are almost two seperate languages |
| 09:25.59 | noidd | al-Jazeera really should have an english language station |
| 09:26.10 | music | Pentagon shut their website down! |
| 09:26.12 | noidd | modern arabic then |
| 09:26.13 | noidd | :-) |
| 09:26.42 | noidd | something which I could actually communicate with |
| 09:26.51 | noidd | but I like the idea of this liniar language |
| 09:26.53 | Zxcvb | music: I heard whoever it was messed with BGP routing |
| 09:26.56 | noidd | where could I find out more about it? |
| 09:27.19 | music | Zxcvb: reckon it was someone other than the DoD? |
| 09:27.29 | Zxcvb | noidd:www.ancientscripts.com/linearb.html |
| 09:27.48 | Zxcvb | music: do you remember when l0pht testified they could shut down the internet in 30 minutes? |
| 09:28.01 | music | Vaguely! |
| 09:28.30 | Zxcvb | music: obviously, you can't shut down or destroy enough systems on the internet to shut it down, right? |
| 09:28.47 | Zxcvb | music: but, the internet is a bunch of interconnected networks (by definition) |
| 09:28.49 | music | But take down Google, and who can find the rest of it? |
| 09:29.07 | noidd | how come they have dipthongs on an unverbalised langauge |
| 09:29.19 | Zxcvb | music: if you sever those connections, by screwing up enough large routing systems, the internet would be "shattered" into a bunch of seperate networks |
| 09:29.35 | Zxcvb | music: therefore, it is no longer the internet |
| 09:30.41 | music | Don't you reckon all this DRM stuff, War on Terror, and paedophile witchhunts will soon converge completely in an almighty shutdown? |
| 09:30.59 | Zxcvb | music: heard about the michigan law that bans linux, windows, and the computer? |
| 09:31.10 | music | Zxcvb: No way! |
| 09:31.23 | Zxcvb | music: any device or component of such a device "capable of concealing the origin or destination of any communication" is illegal |
| 09:31.35 | Zxcvb | music: linux and windows both can though NAT/firewalls |
| 09:31.48 | music | So can a tin can on a string |
| 09:31.51 | Zxcvb | music: not to mention they can run encryption |
| 09:32.13 | Zxcvb | music: and the computer can, as it is a component of such a system (hardware, os, software) |
| 09:32.18 | Zxcvb | music: so is the human brain |
| 09:32.27 | Zxcvb | music: this law actually passed, btw |
| 09:32.39 | Zxcvb | music: think of it as a nuclear bomb |
| 09:32.59 | Zxcvb | music: "either all you tech companies implement DRM in all your stuff, or we will use this law" |
| 09:33.11 | music | Surely they can't enforce it though? They'd need to use at least a word processor to send the minutes around! |
| 09:33.35 | music | It'll probably help michigan to compete in the global marketplace though. |
| 09:33.37 | Zxcvb | music: even the people enforcing it would be illegal |
| 09:33.52 | Zxcvb | music: 100 megatons would do it |
| 09:34.13 | Zxcvb | music: like I said, the law is like a nuke |
| 09:34.23 | Zxcvb | music: it is the threat of using it that matters |
| 09:34.31 | music | An ass, and a nuke simultaneously. We need Quantum::Superpositions to model this. |
| 09:34.35 | Zxcvb | music: google for "consensus at lawyerpoint" |
| 09:35.11 | music | Good good. |
| 09:35.20 | music | s/good.$/God.$/ |
| 09:35.53 | music | bpdg.blogs.eff.org: Group to discuss "Analog Hole" may be formed |
| 09:35.55 | Zxcvb | music: now, go to www.christiangallery.com/strategy.html |
| 09:36.11 | music | In other news, Group to discuss "Real World" hole may be formed |
| 09:36.47 | Zxcvb | music: check out that other site |
| 09:37.01 | Zxcvb | music: oh, don't use a graphical browser if you want to click on any links |
| 09:37.08 | music | LOONIES! |
| 09:39.32 | noidd | music: need a pair of supercooled cesium ions |
| 09:40.15 | music | Cool them at http://starspangledicecream.com/ |
| 09:40.19 | noidd | Quantum::Superpositions |
| 09:40.30 | music | Ah! |
| 09:40.38 | noidd | target hardware for that perl module is a pair of supercooled cesium ions |
| 09:40.54 | noidd | music: have you seen Damian do the talk? |
| 09:41.04 | music | Yeah, cracked me up |
| 09:41.09 | noidd | :-) |
| 09:41.16 | noidd | he is the best public speaker i've ever seen |
| 09:41.19 | music | And now, the Game of Life, in Klingon! |
| 09:41.39 | music | ./configure --target=supercooled-cesium-linux |
| 09:41.41 | Zxcvb | music: s/nuclear weapons/michigan law |
| 09:41.41 | Zxcvb | music: and s/god's law/mandatory DRM |
| 09:41.41 | Zxcvb | music: that is why that law exists |
| 09:41.41 | Zxcvb | music: it is to blackmail tech companies |
| 09:42.37 | music | Did you see http://theregister.co.uk/content/54/30165.html - "US mod chip retailer jailed and fined"? |
| 09:43.10 | pyromance | wtf |
| 09:43.30 | TCMAN | i wait for US linux retailed jailed and raped :) |
| 09:43.48 | pyromance | My employer wants me to transfer the database of all our clients by SCREEN SCRAPING the old client info to the new system 'cause they can't figure out how to do a fucking database import and they won't give me a flat file of the database |
| 09:43.54 | music | So we interpret censorship as damage, and route around it. Censorship then interprets us as terrorists, and sends us down for 5-10. |
| 09:44.34 | music | pyromance: sympathy |
| 09:44.39 | TCMAN | pyromance: hopefully you get paid by the hour :)))) |
| 09:45.29 | pyromance | And they won't let me take the old database and do it myself because I can't look at credit card numbers... even though I can walk 30 feet behind me, root the box, and get it myself. |
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| 09:46.02 | Wintre | pyro: What kind of database? |
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| 09:46.50 | Wintre | Guess it doesn't matter, sounds like policy problems rather than anything else |
| 09:47.23 | pyromance | Wintre: In-house developed by a programmer who can't find his ass with both hands. |
| 09:47.41 | Wintre | pyro: OMG |
| 09:48.07 | Wintre | pyro: Go root the box, import the data by yourself, and program for a week while claiming to write the screen-scraper |
| 09:48.17 | Wintre | Or play Quake |
| 09:48.51 | pyromance | They'd know by morning if I rooted the client database box. |
| 09:49.19 | TCMAN | music: seems like good idea |
| 09:49.41 | TCMAN | pyromance: how ? they seem to have no clue |
| 09:50.28 | music | So far, we have no plan to provide Linux driver by ourselves and support it. |
| 09:50.28 | music | But actually, the Linux driver of the chip implemented in the CFU1U is |
| 09:50.28 | music | available on Cypress Web site, http://www.cypress.com. |
| 09:51.32 | TCMAN | music: do you have the card ? |
| 09:52.32 | pyromance | TCMAN: Imagine a combination of Hitler and Homer Simpson. That's our IT manager. He's a nazi on security, but doesn't do shit to help us with real work., |
| 09:53.58 | TCMAN | pyromance: funny combo :) |
| 09:58.52 | pyromance | Not when they sign your paychecks |
| 09:59.42 | TCMAN | pyromance: as long as you get the paycheck its cool :))) |
| 10:02.12 | pyromance | I'm making $10 US /hour LESS than I was making 2 years ago. |
| 10:03.30 | pyromance | The paychecks aren't worth the frustration of this scren scraping |
| 10:04.04 | TCMAN | pyromance: well, do you live in employment on will state ? |
| 10:04.10 | TCMAN | or at will ? |
| 10:05.09 | pyromance | Arizona. They call it a "right to work" state meaning your employer has the right to fire you if they don't like you. |
| 10:05.17 | Wintre | pyro: Deflation of the bubble... |
| 10:06.09 | pyromance | Screw the bubble. The bubble was fine before we got a moron in the white house. The technology to follow through with all those promises was there, but the investor confidence dropped like a rock causing the funds to dry up. |
| 10:06.38 | TCMAN | pyromance: can you walk away ? |
| 10:07.09 | pyromance | From this job? You find me another UNIX systems administration job for a web hosting provider (my specialty) and I'd walk from here in a second. |
| 10:07.42 | pyromance | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.50 | pyromance | Meaning I get to get called in on my days off. |
| 10:08.03 | TCMAN | pyromance: so why do you keep on bitching :))) |
| 10:08.21 | pyromance | TCMAN: Because there are no jobs available for my skill set. |
| 10:09.12 | TCMAN | pyromance: so you just have to do the job you dont like, big deal, welcome to 99% of the population :) |
| 10:09.29 | pyromance | Thousands of people who do exactly what I do have been laid off in the last 2 years and a lot have years of experience beyond mine and degrees under their belt. I have only 5 years experience and no degree as a UNIX sysadmin |
| 10:10.36 | TCMAN | russian movie Solaris from 1972 is much better than naked ass clooney Solaris |
| 10:12.32 | TCMAN | gotta go to sleep |
| 10:12.37 | TCMAN | good night guys |
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| 10:15.32 | pyromance | this .. is not .. what I .. was hired .. for |
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| 11:02.34 | Twiun | afternoon folks |
| 11:05.44 | yeimange | gonna eat |
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| 11:55.56 | jape | hey |
| 11:56.44 | jape | I've got a question: how useable is Sharp Zaurus on a KDE-3.1-Desktop ? (PIM, File-Transfer via Konqueror, ...) |
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| 12:30.14 | George`ZZz | oh...my..god |
| 12:30.17 | George`ZZz | *yawn* |
| 12:30.22 | George`ZZz | I'm so tired... |
| 12:35.26 | jape | I've got a question: how useable is Sharp Zaurus on a KDE-3.1-Desktop ? (PIM, File-Transfer via Konqueror, ...) |
| 12:35.35 | noidd | hey jape |
| 12:35.48 | George- | jape: shouldn't have any trouble... |
| 12:36.13 | noidd | jape: I don't run kde, however... there is a new sync product for kde called kitchensync which is meant to be working well |
| 12:36.35 | noidd | I don't know the other sync methods |
| 12:36.35 | George- | s/product/project/ |
| 12:36.36 | George- | :P |
| 12:36.49 | noidd | its a product george |
| 12:37.03 | George- | it's more of a project ;) |
| 12:37.22 | George- | I'm going back to bed |
| 12:37.23 | George- | cya |
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| 12:37.57 | noidd | lightwieght |
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| 12:38.01 | noidd | :-) |
| 12:38.10 | George- | noidd: nah, just fucking lazy :) |
| 12:38.11 | phoen][x | he again |
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| 12:40.19 | jape | noidd - I read, I have installed Opie on Zaurus - is it right ? how you use zaurus at work ? (linux, gnome, ... ) |
| 12:41.19 | phoen][x | George-: it the pbook back? |
| 12:41.41 | George- | phoen][x: no |
| 12:41.49 | phoen][x | s/it/is/; |
| 12:41.52 | phoen][x | sucks |
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| 12:49.12 | noidd | jape: i use it at both |
| 12:49.18 | noidd | I don't use syncing tho |
| 12:49.34 | noidd | however -- I am compiling kitchin sink up as we speak so I can test it |
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| 13:14.27 | ljp | George-: cool photo of London http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html |
| 13:17.19 | George- | nifty |
| 13:19.01 | ljp | and I think I can see you in there.. mooning the camera |
| 13:19.22 | George- | hah |
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| 13:25.19 | mark | ljp: heh, that rocks |
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| 13:29.54 | WhiteHat | hi there |
| 13:30.12 | George- | hi Redhat |
| 13:30.18 | George- | :P |
| 13:30.21 | WhiteHat | ehe |
| 13:30.29 | WhiteHat | I just mounted a SD on my Z |
| 13:30.41 | WhiteHat | but it's being mounted as ro |
| 13:30.45 | WhiteHat | is this normal ? |
| 13:31.11 | George- | no |
| 13:31.23 | George- | unless you have the RO clip on the SD set to the RO position? |
| 13:31.38 | WhiteHat | it's the first yime oh |
| 13:31.41 | WhiteHat | ... :) |
| 13:31.47 | ljp | probably has filesystem errors |
| 13:32.00 | WhiteHat | dont overestimate me ljp :) |
| 13:32.03 | ljp | oh.. |
| 13:32.18 | WhiteHat | I think it was a phyical issue :) |
| 13:32.22 | WhiteHat | physical |
| 13:33.02 | ljp | :) |
| 13:33.11 | WhiteHat | hmm no. |
| 13:33.19 | WhiteHat | it's still mounted as RO |
| 13:33.32 | WhiteHat | it's a brand new 64 Mb SD. vfat formatted |
| 13:33.42 | George- | WhiteHat: reformat it |
| 13:34.31 | WhiteHat | ok. having the SD faced up the clip has to be 'down' to be RO? |
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| 13:35.58 | WhiteHat | damn thing. it should bring instructions |
| 13:36.14 | George- | WhiteHat: yes |
| 13:37.13 | George- | http://www.internalmemos.com/memos/memodetails.php?memo_id=1503 |
| 13:37.15 | George- | haha |
| 13:40.27 | WhiteHat | lol |
| 13:40.37 | WhiteHat | " believe you meant "for", fro is an African American hair style with a pic. |
| 13:41.27 | WhiteHat | funny site |
| 13:42.48 | WhiteHat | aha |
| 13:42.59 | WhiteHat | reformatting solved the mistery |
| 13:43.03 | WhiteHat | thanks |
| 13:45.11 | WhiteHat | it's a shame that Z is so slow... |
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| 14:26.57 | WhiteHat | damn SD |
| 14:27.23 | WhiteHat | cant' copy anything to it. I reformatted it, Z remount it and it appears as RW |
| 14:27.58 | WhiteHat | I'm now trying yo copy several files from a 128 CF to the SD and it seems freezed.. |
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| 15:01.08 | Spec | Yay for OZ :) |
| 15:01.43 | Spec | But does it always take this long to boot? :) |
| 15:02.00 | kergoth`zzz | first boot only, yes. |
| 15:02.28 | Spec | thought so ^.^ |
| 15:06.01 | mark | good morning kergoth |
| 15:06.11 | kergoth | mornin |
| 15:07.04 | pyromance | yo |
| 15:07.07 | pyromance | hey kergoth |
| 15:10.52 | pyromance | rock the casbah |
| 15:19.00 | pyromance | Damn |
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| 15:35.19 | krezel | UPS package tracking leads to package tracking obsession |
| 15:36.34 | treke | too bad its horribly out of date info :) |
| 15:38.08 | krezel | They need little GPS transmitters on every package so I know EXACTLY where my package is |
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| 15:41.37 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:43.59 | WhiteHat | eheh |
| 15:44.39 | WhiteHat | wouldn't you prefer a first-class-state-of-the-art-high-speed-jet engine on the package ? |
| 15:45.19 | mark | WhiteHat: common now, that'd be unrealistic :P |
| 15:45.31 | WhiteHat | eheheh |
| 15:47.23 | krezel | Hah you laugh... but: http://www.sonicair.ups.com/ups/ |
| 15:48.29 | WhiteHat | <g> |
| 15:49.37 | krezel | I calulated shipping a 5 pound package from Michigan to California in 4 hours, it came to like $1200 |
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| 15:49.45 | warmi | hi |
| 15:50.48 | George- | heya warmi |
| 15:50.53 | chouimat | hey George- |
| 15:51.29 | mark | hi warmi, George-, chouimat |
| 15:52.11 | WhiteHat | bahahah |
| 15:52.22 | WhiteHat | well. lot's of times... time matters |
| 15:52.30 | WhiteHat | hmm... I have to sell this quote |
| 16:13.58 | kergoth | bleh |
| 16:14.39 | warmi | kergoth: the difference being that this is Friday "bleh" |
| 16:14.40 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 16:14.44 | warmi | which is always a good thing |
| 16:15.00 | kergoth | good point |
| 16:15.03 | kergoth | ibot: friday |
| 16:17.53 | George- | ibot: friday |
| 16:18.12 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:18.19 | krezel | ibot's on strike |
| 16:18.23 | George- | yeh |
| 16:18.24 | kergoth | bastard. |
| 16:18.39 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 16:18.43 | George- | wtf |
| 16:18.47 | krezel | yayyyyyyyy |
| 16:18.52 | chouimat | kergoth: ibot is working |
| 16:19.47 | warmi | chouimat: how are you feeling ? no hangover ? |
| 16:20.02 | mark | ~lart George- |
| 16:20.04 | mark | yeah, ibot works |
| 16:20.07 | chouimat | warmi: nope just a little tired |
| 16:20.15 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 16:20.27 | mark | chouimat: still working |
| 16:20.42 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 16:20.53 | chouimat | mark: definetly working |
| 16:20.54 | George- | chouimat: fuck off |
| 16:20.55 | mark | chouimat: i'd try a few more just to be sure though |
| 16:21.06 | kergoth | ~lart George- |
| 16:21.11 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 16:21.29 | mark | ~lart George- |
| 16:21.43 | mark | chouimat: hmm, it seems like sometimes it doesn't work.. |
| 16:22.07 | kergoth | you cant lart twice in a row too fast |
| 16:22.19 | kergoth | need a certain amount of time between them |
| 16:22.21 | mark | so I can't do: |
| 16:22.22 | mark | ~lart George- |
| 16:22.27 | mark | ah I see |
| 16:22.28 | George- | 5s |
| 16:22.30 | mark | but I can do: |
| 16:22.31 | mark | ~lart George- |
| 16:22.37 | mark | ~lart George- |
| 16:22.46 | mark | kergoth: ok, I get it, cheers |
| 16:23.26 | chouimat | mark: got kicked by George- from etux so ... |
| 16:24.04 | mark | chouimat: aww |
| 16:24.44 | chouimat | mark: bah ... it's george so nothing good can came out of this |
| 16:24.53 | warmi | mark: you said you wanted to get Pocket PC right ? |
| 16:25.47 | warmi | you can get Dell Axims real cheap these days ... $300 for 400 MHZ device |
| 16:26.12 | warmi | and Axim is all you need if you want to use this as a development device |
| 16:26.32 | mark | warmi: oh no, not a development device, I just want a new toy ;) |
| 16:26.42 | warmi | ah ok |
| 16:26.48 | warmi | well, then you gonna have to pay up |
| 16:26.50 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:26.56 | warmi | toys are never cheap |
| 16:27.00 | mark | its £269 here. thats a nice unit |
| 16:27.15 | mark | CF/SD, 64/48MB |
| 16:27.42 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:29.01 | mark | i didn't think they did PPC devices with both SD and CF |
| 16:29.14 | mark | warmi: you got one? |
| 16:29.42 | warmi | no, I got ipaq .. but I had a chance to play with one |
| 16:29.44 | warmi | quite nice |
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| 16:30.01 | warmi | mark_:btw .. Neo|Laptop got himself one |
| 16:30.44 | warmi | "Japanese electronics giant Sony has taken an extraordinary step to cash in on the war in Iraq by patenting the term "Shock and Awe" for a computer game." |
| 16:30.47 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:31.16 | warmi | "shock and awe" .. coming soon to your Playstation 2 |
| 16:31.16 | George- | i don't think you can't patent a term... |
| 16:31.19 | George- | i don't think you can patent a term... |
| 16:31.59 | mark | warmi: /me adds one to his to buy list |
| 16:32.23 | mark | George-: could I patent you? |
| 16:32.39 | warmi | http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030410-092257-7483r |
| 16:32.44 | warmi | this is just sick |
| 16:32.48 | chouimat | mark: that doesn't worth the time you will take to do the papers |
| 16:33.46 | mark | warmi: jeees, who does that kinda thing |
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| 16:34.18 | treke | morning mr riker |
| 16:34.22 | kergoth | hey tim |
| 16:34.33 | TimRiker | so anyone know where to pick up a few zauri for cheap? (like 5 or so) |
| 16:34.58 | treke | TimRiker: tiger direct was supposedly selling refurbs cheap |
| 16:35.08 | warmi | $199 - would you consider that cheap ? |
| 16:35.10 | warmi | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/category_tlc.asp?id=19 |
| 16:35.24 | George- | go loot mark novak |
| 16:37.06 | TimRiker | $199 sounds good. /me looks for a cheap MMC card to go with them... |
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| 16:39.15 | George- | ARSE |
| 16:39.22 | George- | oh well... |
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| 16:39.50 | TimRiker | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?sku=V98-2028%20P sound good for a large MMC? |
| 16:40.25 | George- | Read Speed: Up to 10MB/sec |
| 16:40.28 | George- | rofl |
| 16:40.31 | George- | I bet it'd never do that |
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| 16:41.14 | TimRiker | ~spell rediculus |
| 16:41.16 | | possible spellings for rediculus: ridiculous reticules ridicules reticule's ridicule's radicals reticles reticulum |
| 16:41.30 | TimRiker | ah. ridiculous |
| 16:41.51 | warmi | TimRiker: yeah,. that one always drives me crazy ... |
| 16:42.00 | TimRiker | so what does that mean? If I ever see it running faster than 10MB/sec I would call and complain? |
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| 16:42.30 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:45.03 | mewyn | ugh |
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| 16:47.25 | warmi | Novacoke: hi .. do you still like your Z ? :-) |
| 16:50.00 | George- | some stupid asshole on the Apple forums... just had to post a message to bring him back down to earth |
| 16:50.03 | George- | fucking idiot |
| 16:50.34 | George- | http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@218.QijQadifk4d.2@.3bc164e9 |
| 16:50.43 | TimRiker | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/category_slc.asp?Id=3501 <- smc still the safe bet for a compactflash wifi card? anyone use one of the others? |
| 16:50.49 | George- | bitching that apple won't repair his computer outside the warranty period for no charge |
| 16:50.56 | George- | idiot... IDIOT |
| 16:51.44 | TimRiker | D-Link DCF-660W looks cheap, don't know if it works on the Z out of the box though. |
| 16:52.03 | George- | TimRiker: iirc, kergoth has that card |
| 16:52.12 | kergoth | nope |
| 16:52.14 | kergoth | others do though |
| 16:52.19 | kergoth | i have the 650 or whatever, the eaerlier card |
| 16:53.00 | George- | kergoth: I was close :) |
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| 16:53.43 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 16:53.54 | George- | STYLUS |
| 16:54.08 | George- | woops.. |
| 16:54.12 | TimRiker | http://www.kismetwireless.net/Forum/Equipment/Messages/1033772460.903281 looks like someone has it working. |
| 16:54.12 | George- | ;) |
| 16:54.14 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 16:54.15 | pyromance | well |
| 16:55.05 | pyromance | My Netgear MA701 hates my SMC 7004VWBR |
| 16:56.12 | Novacoke | 04(warmi04): yeap :) |
| 16:56.42 | Novacoke | stinks tho b/c i have candycruncher on my computer... but the code for the computer one dont work on the Z =/ |
| 16:57.08 | kergoth | eh |
| 16:57.10 | kergoth | just buy CC from neo |
| 16:59.22 | noidd | "50lb Unix manual"? |
| 16:59.28 | noidd | that must be abridged |
| 16:59.33 | warmi | Novacoke: hahaha .. well, got to pay up |
| 16:59.56 | Novacoke | someone port ultimaonline to the z :)... just like they have everquest on pocketpc now... tho ive never played it before |
| 17:00.00 | warmi | Novacoke: btw .. Candy Cruncher was ported to the Zaurus by NeoTron |
| 17:00.05 | Novacoke | im liking Strategic Assault... gonna have to buy that one |
| 17:00.06 | George- | warmi: sssshh ;) |
| 17:00.18 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:00.25 | kergoth | libsidplay wont build with my new gcc3 toolchain |
| 17:00.36 | George- | :) |
| 17:00.36 | kergoth | sidtune.cpp:1028: invalid conversion from `long int' to `std::_Ios_Openmode' |
| 17:00.37 | kergoth | sidtune.cpp:1028: initializing argument 2 of `std::basic_ofstream<_CharT, |
| 17:00.37 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.37 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.41 | kergoth | anyone know wtf that means? |
| 17:00.57 | George- | kergoth: it means the compile is fucked |
| 17:01.03 | kergoth | George-: you're so helpful |
| 17:01.08 | George- | kergoth: thanks ;) |
| 17:02.07 | warmi | kergoth: when calling basic_ofstream cast second argument to (std::_Ios_Openmode) |
| 17:02.29 | kergoth | static_cast? |
| 17:02.35 | kergoth | someday i swear i'll suck less at c++ |
| 17:03.31 | chouimat | kergoth: I love c++ they took a nice simple language 'C' and did a monster 'C++' ... and C++ peoples say that Ada is horrible ... |
| 17:03.43 | warmi | just use C style cast (std::_Ios_Openmode) |
| 17:03.50 | kergoth | k |
| 17:04.06 | George- | kergoth: you suck less than me :) |
| 17:04.13 | warmi | chouimat: it is not a monster |
| 17:04.20 | warmi | you wanna see monster ... check out GTK :-) |
| 17:04.35 | chouimat | warmi: hehe |
| 17:05.46 | warmi | kergoth: btw . this is a STD code .. there are zaurus apps taht use STD ? |
| 17:05.54 | warmi | I mean STL .. dammit |
| 17:05.54 | warmi | heh |
| 17:06.47 | George- | STL == Standard Template Library? |
| 17:07.01 | kergoth | warmi: some libs use it, generally its static |
| 17:09.12 | warmi | did that work for you ? |
| 17:09.32 | kergoth | havent tested it, my buildsystem is building the rest of the feed first |
| 17:09.39 | kergoth | i believe its building perl atm |
| 17:09.44 | kergoth | yep, perl |
| 17:10.55 | warmi | George-: yeah .. STL = Standard Template Library |
| 17:11.02 | warmi | or C++ answer to Java |
| 17:12.11 | George- | I have a book.. somewhere... on the STL |
| 17:12.12 | George- | ;) |
| 17:17.38 | George- | ok, afk |
| 17:20.24 | Novacoke | i remember reading about the battery extenders.. how long does the 4xAA model work? |
| 17:20.52 | Novacoke | was looking at this combo http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3017918915&category=15029 |
| 17:23.06 | Novacoke | amazing how many ppl are selling their 5500's on ebay now that the 5600 is out... if i would have previously had a 5500 i dont think i would have upgraded |
| 17:23.55 | Neo|Away | Novacoke: the reason for the codes for CC not workign on pda and desktop is well, I guess you can figure out yourself. :) |
| 17:24.17 | Neo|Away | Novacoke: 5500 sales might also be from people who bought HSN ones cheaply |
| 17:25.27 | Novacoke | well i originally wasnt aware that someone different from the original CC author ported it.. so it seemed odd |
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| 17:26.32 | Neo|Work | Novacoke: well, even so, it's a different product really. And btw, although icculus did the original CC port, I'm the Linux maintainer for Pyrogon now |
| 17:26.48 | warmi | Novacoke: I don't think codes from , say a PC game, would work for Apple version |
| 17:27.35 | Novacoke | true... but i'm afk b/c im going to give this atari emu a go |
| 17:29.16 | Novacoke | gah i gotta get my wifi card this damn z file transfer is too slow |
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| 17:47.44 | noidd | install: /home/red/projects/x86-buildroot/def-tests/' is a directory |
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| 17:49.18 | kergoth | noidd: bk pull |
| 17:59.32 | Novacoke | 13(04Leaving13) Reason:(04auto away after 30 minutes of inactivity13) 13«~04{13Polaris IRC04}13~» |
| 17:59.39 | kergoth | TumblAway: kill the color. |
| 17:59.43 | kergoth | TumblAway: or we kill you :) |
| 17:59.55 | noidd | gah! i'mblind! my eyes are bleeding! |
| 18:01.38 | WhiteHat | eheh |
| 18:01.41 | WhiteHat | cyazz |
| 18:02.02 | treke | TumblAway: ( leaving) Reason:( stupid fucking autoaway script) |
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| 18:16.20 | George- | hrmm, he's back |
| 18:16.29 | George- | at least I have him and ibot on ignore :P |
| 18:16.51 | mewyn | fuckin birds! |
| 18:17.07 | George- | hrmm? |
| 18:17.08 | cynTop | 'him'? |
| 18:17.15 | George- | cynTop: chouimat |
| 18:17.38 | TimRiker | can we tone the language down please? |
| 18:17.58 | George- | TimRiker: I didn't swear |
| 18:18.04 | kergoth | okay dad |
| 18:18.09 | kergoth | ;) |
| 18:18.26 | George- | kergoth: you're the one that curses the most! :) |
| 18:18.38 | George- | kergoth: you evil bastard! :) |
| 18:18.47 | kergoth | George-: thats darn right. |
| 18:18.47 | cynTop | language is just another form of expression - one mans thumbs up is another mans insult, yer gunna offend someone so no sense in changing your ways |
| 18:19.01 | George- | kergoth: hehe |
| 18:19.27 | George- | haha |
| 18:19.31 | kergoth | cynTop: you cyn from the lists, you're one of hte c700 oz testers, right? |
| 18:19.40 | cynTop | ayup |
| 18:19.48 | kergoth | I'll have a new image sometime today |
| 18:19.53 | cynTop | 'cyn' was registered (tho i think by me like 3 years ago on #debian) |
| 18:19.55 | cynTop | sweetness |
| 18:19.59 | George- | "Have you ever wondered what your insides look like?" "Yes, my lord, sometimes" "Then I'd be willing to satisfy your curiosity!!!" |
| 18:20.01 | kergoth | fix for the failure to resume after suspend, few other things |
| 18:20.05 | kergoth | i'll have a gcc3 built rom as well |
| 18:20.13 | kergoth | you'll lose BC, but you gain xscale optimizations |
| 18:20.21 | cynTop | bc? |
| 18:20.22 | kergoth | will upload both to the normal place |
| 18:20.24 | kergoth | binary compatibility |
| 18:20.27 | cynTop | oh |
| 18:20.27 | kergoth | c++ ABI changed |
| 18:20.27 | cynTop | yea |
| 18:20.40 | cynTop | that's fine I'll compile opie reader myself |
| 18:20.48 | cynTop | other than the PIM apps that's about all I need, since ssh comes with |
| 18:21.00 | George- | Damn it! I want a C700 grmbl! |
| 18:21.26 | cynTop | talk to Brando (shop.brando.com.hk) - I paid just under $500 + shipping |
| 18:21.56 | cynTop | i made the mistake of ordering with some accessories tho, so it took a few weeks coz he waited for it to all come |
| 18:23.06 | cynTop | some guys on externe.net are tweaking out the c700 with 64/128 of ram - apparently it's a heavy job - the hardware part was fairly simple, but getting the extra ram recognized took some doing |
| 18:23.40 | kergoth | you cant run the shit from ZSI |
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| 18:23.40 | kergoth | cynTop: yeah, bootloader issues i heard |
| 18:23.44 | kergoth | configure: former value: /home/kergoth/bin/ccache /usr/local/arm/3.2/bin/arm-linux-gcc |
| 18:23.47 | kergoth | configure: current value: /home/kergoth/bin/ccache /usr/local/arm/3.2/bin/arm-linux-gcc |
| 18:24.01 | cynTop | haha |
| 18:25.58 | oGMo | 128M of ram would rock though |
| 18:26.18 | George- | kergoth: you're the pedantic one! |
| 18:26.39 | George- | kergoth: all that nitpicking about "Zaurus OS" and the like ;) |
| 18:26.42 | TimRiker | cynTop: I don't see the c700 on shop.brando.com.hk, just eamil hime or what? |
| 18:26.46 | cynTop | I'd be happy with just 64, tho I haven't had many issues with OZ on memory yet, maybe it's because I only read with it since I have to use the popup kb for / and such :) |
| 18:27.03 | cynTop | TimRiker: yeah just fire him an email personally, feel free to say "cyn suggested I contact you" or somethin |
| 18:27.13 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 18:27.27 | cynTop | tho I doubt he'd have a problem, he's happy to do the import stuff |
| 18:28.01 | cynTop | TimRiker: but he sells the screen protector for it, so it's not like he's pretending the thing doesn't exist, I just don't think he wants to be doing large volumes of it |
| 18:30.53 | TimRiker | cynTop: nod. thanx. |
| 18:32.34 | krezel | Does anybody know a good audio analog to imagemagik's "convert"? I want to trim off the first 30 seconds of a directory full of wav's |
| 18:35.33 | kolla | sox? |
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| 18:35.48 | kergoth | cynTop: I expect i'll have qt obeying the kernel keymap this weekend |
| 18:35.59 | kergoth | cynTop: and as you see, the console does have / and stuff, so that'll be an improvmeent |
| 18:36.42 | Spec | Is the 'rom update' on MyZaurus.com a brand new rom, or does it just change the existing one? |
| 18:36.52 | kergoth | its a rom. |
| 18:38.39 | krezel | Spec: What kergoth means is "Yes, its a brand new rom" |
| 18:39.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:39.20 | kergoth | krezel: are you the new newbie translator? |
| 18:39.23 | kergoth | krezel: ;) |
| 18:39.35 | krezel | kergoth: I'm here to protect the newbies from you :) |
| 18:39.39 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:43.05 | Spec | i know what he means...i'm only a pseudo newbie :) |
| 18:43.24 | Spec | however, i have another newbish question |
| 18:43.26 | Spec | With OZ, is it normal for random lines to flash up? |
| 18:43.37 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:43.42 | kergoth | elaborate |
| 18:43.44 | krezel | As in random quotes from shakespear? |
| 18:43.54 | kergoth | thatd be cool |
| 18:43.55 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:44.07 | Spec | ehm, about 1 pixel width lines, one at a time, randomly bouncing around, in a verticle fasion |
| 18:44.23 | kergoth | masticator: is that the behavior you were seeing? |
| 18:44.26 | kergoth | Spec: never seen that before |
| 18:45.01 | Spec | it seems to have gone away |
| 18:45.53 | CuCullin | I would consider that abnormal. |
| 18:45.54 | krezel | crack wore off? |
| 18:46.02 | krezel | Yah I would consider that not normal also |
| 18:46.03 | Spec | must be |
| 18:47.25 | Spec | So, anyways, more questions to follow, what's the best ratio of memory to storage to use for OZ? |
| 18:47.31 | kergoth | there is no best. |
| 18:47.35 | kergoth | there is only what you want. |
| 18:47.49 | krezel | Spec: got a big freaking SD or CF card to put your apps on? |
| 18:48.02 | Spec | not quite yet |
| 18:48.17 | kolla | SD is so annoyingly slow |
| 18:48.18 | CuCullin | then lean towards storage, I would say |
| 18:48.23 | krezel | yup |
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| 18:49.12 | CuCullin | kolla, well, the only problem is, I have cf accessories (or atleast, I did), so sd is the only way to go if I want to have the storage while I'm using the accessory |
| 18:49.27 | CuCullin | now, 2 cf slots would be sweet |
| 18:49.43 | CuCullin | but I wouldnt know where I'd want to put the second slot |
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| 18:50.15 | kolla | CuCullin: indeed, I have it the same way |
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| 18:50.16 | posix4 | is theor anyway to get the media player to buffer in ram? |
| 18:50.28 | kolla | so I got this 128MB SD, but more would be welcome |
| 18:50.40 | CuCullin | agreed, I wouldnt mind a 512mb, myself :) |
| 18:50.44 | kolla | but it is useless with that Document tab stuff |
| 18:50.46 | posix4 | like i wangt tot stream online mpe's |
| 18:50.57 | kolla | takes forever to scan for files |
| 18:50.57 | Spec | well, i'm using 40/24, but i can't seem to be able to install konquoror(sp) |
| 18:50.59 | posix4 | s/e/3/ |
| 18:51.02 | Spec | 40 storage |
| 18:51.13 | Spec | erm, 40 mem rather |
| 18:51.19 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:51.24 | kergoth | konq installs just fine hre |
| 18:51.52 | posix4 | hmm i should switch irc clients brb. |
| 18:52.11 | krezel[laptop] | doesnt konq take like 12 on its own? |
| 18:52.23 | CuCullin | actually, ive been thinking about irc clients.... I had zirc installed.... is there anything else? |
| 18:52.27 | Spec | I get wonderful errors when it tries to create the symlinks |
| 18:52.32 | CuCullin | It works just find, I simply think there has to be an easer way |
| 18:52.38 | kergoth | Spec: symlink errors are generally harmless. |
| 18:52.44 | Spec | Well, i can't run konq |
| 18:52.51 | kergoth | so run it from a konsole |
| 18:52.54 | Spec | it can't find the right path to the library or some such |
| 18:52.56 | kergoth | and tell me what the error is |
| 18:52.59 | Spec | i was running it from the konsole -.- |
| 18:53.00 | kergoth | i need an exact error message |
| 18:53.03 | Spec | let's see if i have enough power |
| 18:53.04 | kergoth | 'some such' doesnt tell me a damn thing |
| 18:53.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:54.23 | Spec | sure it does, it informs you that i'm an idiot, first of all ;) |
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| 18:54.36 | posix4 | ah much better |
| 18:54.41 | CuCullin | oh, how friendly are the hancom apps with openoffice? Thats something I haven't tried yet... |
| 18:54.51 | krezel[laptop] | Spec: Good job, if you insult yourself first, kergoth misses his chance |
| 18:55.18 | Spec | :) |
| 18:55.55 | Spec | Cannot find data files (html4.css and .. |
| 18:56.02 | Spec | and the rest of the little fatal error message is cut off |
| 18:56.39 | Spec | anyways, i was wondering why it couldnt' make the symlinks in the first place, since this problem would be avoided if they were, in fact created, right? |
| 18:56.47 | kergoth | what? |
| 18:56.57 | kergoth | run ipkg-link mount /mnt/ram |
| 18:56.58 | posix4 | so i really want to stream mp3's to my zaurus. my connection probably needs buffering. can the media player support this, or do i need to write code? |
| 18:57.00 | kergoth | assuming you installed to ram |
| 18:57.02 | kergoth | then try again |
| 18:57.06 | kergoth | let me know if that fixes it |
| 18:57.38 | kergoth | posix4: op2 and mplayer can both view streams.. |
| 18:57.46 | kergoth | should work fine |
| 18:58.12 | Spec | unfortuantly my batteries are absurdly low...so i don't know if i can try that right now :( |
| 18:59.56 | Spec | ran, didn't work, not enough space on drive in directory: /opt/Qtpalmtop/share/apps |
| 19:00.08 | posix4 | i tried op2 but it doesn't seem to work. it plays a little then lags then plays a little etc. |
| 19:00.39 | kergoth | Spec: theres your problem. |
| 19:00.42 | kergoth | Spec: run df |
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| 19:04.09 | Spec | that's why i was asking which is the best ratio of memory |
| 19:04.28 | kergoth | what are you talking about? |
| 19:04.32 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.37 | kergoth | which has nothing to do with your ratio |
| 19:04.42 | Spec | See, i'm a newbie, i didn't know this ^.^ |
| 19:04.43 | kergoth | you filled up flash. |
| 19:04.46 | kergoth | this is all in the faqs |
| 19:04.50 | Spec | Where? |
| 19:04.53 | kergoth | regarding the filesystem layout of OZ |
| 19:04.57 | kergoth | openzaurus.org |
| 19:05.01 | kergoth | is FLASH |
| 19:05.05 | kergoth | when installing a package |
| 19:05.07 | kergoth | select RAM |
| 19:05.09 | Spec | I did |
| 19:05.10 | kergoth | not root/flash |
| 19:05.14 | kergoth | no, you filled up flash. |
| 19:05.19 | kergoth | run 'df' |
| 19:05.21 | Spec | I haven't touched flash though |
| 19:05.28 | kergoth | run 'df' |
| 19:05.31 | Spec | it's 99% full, so obviously it is filled up |
| 19:05.37 | kergoth | there ya go. |
| 19:05.39 | Spec | But it wasn't me, i tell ya, it wasn't me ^.^ |
| 19:05.40 | kergoth | it didnt do it by itself. |
| 19:05.44 | kergoth | its a computer, not a fucking magic box. |
| 19:06.09 | phoen][x | not? |
| 19:06.17 | phoen][x | damn, i knew that i got the wrong thing |
| 19:06.26 | Spec | *snickers* |
| 19:06.27 | phoen][x | lo kergoth :) |
| 19:07.04 | kergoth | hey phoen][x |
| 19:07.08 | Spec | Well, all i did was install OZ, download konq to /home/root/Documents, then installed it to ram |
| 19:07.16 | kergoth | there's your problem. |
| 19:07.20 | treke | uhm /home/root/Documents is flash |
| 19:07.22 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.24 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.29 | kergoth | you filled up flash with your own ipk |
| 19:07.51 | Spec | hahaha |
| 19:07.57 | Spec | Alright, enough of me being an idiot ^.^ |
| 19:08.18 | Spec | Thanks for the help, and the occasional insults. |
| 19:08.25 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 19:23.25 | cynTop | wow he took that pretty well, musta really needed the info |
| 19:23.47 | cynTop | I'd prolly back off after two insults and come back later with it fixed myself and apologizing |
| 19:30.14 | blk-majik | problems: /proc/kcore is taking up all my space =[ |
| 19:30.17 | blk-majik | 38mb file |
| 19:30.18 | blk-majik | can erase it |
| 19:30.22 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 19:30.27 | blk-majik | wtf is that from? |
| 19:30.27 | kergoth | aha |
| 19:30.33 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.38 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.41 | blk-majik | should be |
| 19:30.43 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.46 | kergoth | no, it shouldnt. |
| 19:30.47 | blk-majik | but its the only file of any size in / |
| 19:30.53 | kergoth | well thats not the problem. |
| 19:31.00 | kergoth | nothing in /proc takes up actual space. |
| 19:31.04 | phoen][x | its the memory dump iirc |
| 19:31.32 | blk-majik | kcore is? |
| 19:32.06 | phoen][x | no |
| 19:32.15 | phoen][x | run 'mount' |
| 19:32.17 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.22 | kergoth | its a kernel interface |
| 19:32.31 | phoen][x | kergoth: /proc/kcore is, no? |
| 19:32.40 | kergoth | yes, which is what he asked |
| 19:32.51 | kergoth | 14:31 < phoen][x> its the memory dump iirc |
| 19:32.51 | kergoth | 14:32 < blk-majik> kcore is? |
| 19:32.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:33.11 | phoen][x | too many channels :) |
| 19:33.22 | blk-majik | =] |
| 19:38.48 | noidd | on a similer note, I had a friend on mine ring me up once from work |
| 19:38.52 | noidd | he was a unix "admin" |
| 19:39.20 | noidd | he deleted a file called "swapfile" |
| 19:39.28 | noidd | and his machine wouldn't boot anymore |
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| 19:48.13 | warmi | mutexer: haven't had a chance to try your game yet .. I will when I get home |
| 19:50.06 | mutexer | cool |
| 19:50.20 | mutexer | IM guessing you saw it on handango then? |
| 19:50.49 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:51.01 | warmi | did you submit an entry to killefiz.de/zaurus yet ? |
| 19:51.49 | mutexer | its on the list of things to do today |
| 19:52.08 | mutexer | didnt finish testing/building a working ipk till 7:30am.. so I went to bed |
| 19:52.10 | zoid | what's your game? |
| 19:52.22 | mutexer | Jack the Uni-Psychle |
| 19:52.31 | zoid | what is it? |
| 19:52.32 | mutexer | www.discordstudios.com/jack |
| 19:52.38 | mutexer | sidescroller |
| 19:52.50 | mutexer | soemone described it as Mario meets Invader Zim |
| 19:52.54 | zoid | nice |
| 19:53.08 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:53.14 | noidd | I love the artwork mutexer :-D |
| 19:53.25 | mutexer | my artists is good :) |
| 19:53.28 | mutexer | artist |
| 19:54.02 | warmi | yeah, he is |
| 19:54.03 | zoid | that looks kewl |
| 19:54.08 | noidd | bah, where is the download button |
| 19:54.22 | warmi | goes to bed to early though ... |
| 19:54.23 | warmi | heh |
| 19:54.37 | mutexer | you have to get the demo on handango at the moment |
| 19:54.46 | mutexer | I havent had time to put it on our site yet |
| 19:55.17 | warmi | mutexer: : he... had fun creating ipkg ? |
| 19:55.22 | Neo|Work | mutexer: your game is out? |
| 19:55.24 | warmi | heh |
| 19:55.24 | mutexer | http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=CB8B8229EFB8E63F786FBDFXA39BA46B&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=65716 |
| 19:55.34 | mutexer | Neo|Work: for Zaurus it is |
| 19:55.42 | mutexer | time to work on PPC port today |
| 19:55.47 | Neo|Work | cool |
| 19:55.54 | mutexer | yeah ipk was loads of fun |
| 19:56.12 | Neo|Work | well, as warmi said, apparently it is loads of fun compared to CAB's. :) |
| 19:56.26 | noidd | and down she comes |
| 19:56.35 | mutexer | whats really great about it is if you dont have enough space.. the sharp installer lets it install anyway and ends up cutting off 5 of the songs.. which causes the game to crash on execute |
| 19:56.38 | warmi | well, persinally I would take ipkg "pains" any day |
| 19:56.45 | warmi | over cab nightmares |
| 19:56.56 | mutexer | I may too after dealing with cabs :) |
| 19:57.43 | Neo|Work | and yes the lack-of-storage issue is pain in the ass |
| 19:57.50 | Neo|Work | I get support questions on that all the time |
| 19:58.19 | mutexer | good, Im glad to see it wasnt my fault the ipk didnt report it |
| 19:58.37 | mutexer | I added some info in the readme if the game crashed on start then that was probably the problem |
| 19:58.42 | warmi | mutexer: have you tried installing your game on CF/SD ? |
| 19:58.49 | mutexer | nope |
| 19:58.51 | Neo|Work | another favorite is that it truncates the binary which leads to bus errors when trying to execute it |
| 19:58.58 | Neo|Work | you should |
| 19:59.02 | mutexer | I didnt think the sharp installer installed to CF even though the option is there |
| 19:59.09 | Neo|Work | it does |
| 19:59.18 | mutexer | Ill try it now then |
| 19:59.30 | Neo|Work | through the magic of symlinks you don't need to hack anything special in the game to support it though |
| 19:59.46 | warmi | it does.. but it is even more shaky than installing to ram .. you have to be very carefull , avoid certain characters in your ipkg desciption file etc .. |
| 20:00.03 | warmi | and , make sure you are not installing any so libraries with your app cause they won't work from CF |
| 20:00.06 | mutexer | ahh |
| 20:00.38 | mutexer | i dont..they are in separate ipk |
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| 20:00.44 | warmi | most people have FAT formatted CF cards which , obviously, don't support symlinks |
| 20:00.51 | mutexer | yeahj |
| 20:01.17 | mutexer | its taking longer on the cf |
| 20:01.27 | warmi | yeah |
| 20:01.33 | warmi | it takes even longer on SD |
| 20:01.54 | mutexer | Ive never bought a SD card.. are they any good? |
| 20:02.33 | mutexer | I got a suprise today.. my Dell PDA came in.... they processed "built" and shipped it to me in less than 24 hours |
| 20:02.51 | warmi | basically SD on the zaurus is like slower version of CF |
| 20:03.00 | mutexer | even though the website said it would ship tuesday |
| 20:03.07 | mutexer | guess they had one already built |
| 20:03.12 | warmi | so how do you like PocketPC ? |
| 20:03.20 | noidd | very slow |
| 20:04.07 | mutexer | I havent taken it out of the box yet |
| 20:04.15 | mutexer | Jack does install and work on a CF |
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| 20:04.44 | mutexer | doh.. I forgot to document the pause button in the readme |
| 20:04.51 | warmi | noidd: what's slow ? pocketPC ? |
| 20:05.05 | warmi | ah .. SD .. never mind :-) |
| 20:05.05 | mutexer | I knew Id forget something |
| 20:05.10 | noidd | access to SD |
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| 20:05.21 | mutexer | I tohught you were saying pocket PC was slow :) |
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| 20:08.02 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.06 | George- | hahaha |
| 20:10.37 | mewyn | and that's it for TCF |
| 20:16.20 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.22 | noidd | thud |
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| 20:16.58 | noidd | looks like tinylogin doesn't want to link against libc3 |
| 20:17.19 | George- | noidd: I hope that "thud" wasn't you banging your head on your desk :) |
| 20:17.28 | noidd | probably :-) |
| 20:17.38 | George- | noidd: stop being a desk abuser! That's kergoth's job! |
| 20:20.15 | phoen][x | damn, i'm really angry |
| 20:20.50 | George- | Cheerup.mp3? |
| 20:21.55 | noidd | http://kimchi.criticalintegration.com/CheerUp.mp3 |
| 20:21.56 | noidd | its fast becomming my development anthem |
| 20:21.56 | phoen][x | this FSCKING x always crashes |
| 20:21.56 | George- | ibot blah |
| 20:21.58 | phoen][x | x11 should be shot |
| 20:22.13 | noidd | probably |
| 20:22.37 | warmi | Xfree ? |
| 20:22.42 | phoen][x | prolly? no. clearly |
| 20:22.53 | phoen][x | xfree-4.3.0 |
| 20:23.07 | phoen][x | i bet its the nvidia driver again, though |
| 20:23.41 | mewyn | warmi: well, i finally did it |
| 20:23.42 | George- | CheerUp sounds stupid |
| 20:23.47 | George- | utterly utterly stupid |
| 20:23.55 | noidd | have you played it? |
| 20:24.03 | cynTop | I'm hopin it gets better |
| 20:24.04 | warmi | mewyn: ? |
| 20:24.11 | mewyn | switched banks |
| 20:24.18 | noidd | play it to the end |
| 20:24.28 | noidd | it changes tempo a third of the way through |
| 20:24.34 | cynTop | heh |
| 20:24.35 | warmi | ah .. yeah. to which one ? |
| 20:24.45 | George- | noidd: I'm playing it now |
| 20:25.04 | mewyn | fifth third |
| 20:25.28 | cynTop | it's good for a laugh, but I can't see playing it on repeat or anything |
| 20:25.33 | phoen][x | George-: you cant cat mp3-files directly to /dev/dsp :) |
| 20:25.53 | George- | phoen][x: wot |
| 20:25.56 | George- | phoen][x: you fooool |
| 20:26.01 | George- | phoen][x: I'm playing it in XMMS |
| 20:26.07 | George- | </down-to-earth> |
| 20:26.13 | phoen][x | George-: :) |
| 20:26.24 | phoen][x | that reminds me of a long read |
| 20:26.43 | phoen][x | http://cvs.gentoo.org/~phoenix/downloads/a_little_convo_one_night_in_%23linux.htm |
| 20:27.03 | phoen][x | heh, now that was fun :) |
| 20:28.36 | George- | phoen][x: pah, that's nothing |
| 20:28.42 | George- | phoen][x: read the logs of MarkNovak |
| 20:28.47 | phoen][x | url? |
| 20:29.05 | George- | NeoTron: you here? |
| 20:29.11 | George- | phoen][x: it's on Neo's server somewhere |
| 20:29.41 | phoen][x | galeon says that the url is invalid |
| 20:29.44 | phoen][x | http://it's on Neo's server somewhere |
| 20:29.45 | George- | or the "bfinn hits #Debian" |
| 20:29.52 | George- | :) |
| 20:30.05 | George- | http://treke.net/downloads/Mark |
| 20:30.12 | kergoth | ~lart ipkg |
| 20:30.49 | George- | http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus-20020827.txt |
| 20:30.49 | George- | there too |
| 20:31.08 | George- | there are about 3 different mirrors of MarkNovak's evil ness |
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| 20:32.02 | kergoth | s/evil ness/idiocy/ |
| 20:32.18 | phoen][x | is he that stupid or does he try to be funny? |
| 20:33.43 | ivan | does anyone have a script that monitors a connection to the zaurus and reconnects an ssh session if it goes down and then back up again? |
| 20:33.43 | George- | phoen][x: MarkNovak? |
| 20:33.49 | George- | phoen][x: no, he was a total idiot |
| 20:34.03 | phoen][x | nice :) |
| 20:35.46 | George- | phoen][x: http://rikkus.info/bfinn.html |
| 20:36.07 | George- | "I NEED TO HELP FOR TO THE QUACK!!!" |
| 20:37.16 | warmi | ":the quack " hehehe |
| 20:37.17 | phoen][x | wget |
| 20:37.39 | George- | warmi: :) |
| 20:38.00 | George- | warmi: god knows what they were thinking in #Debian when he entered and spewed out all this shit |
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| 20:38.54 | George- | <bfinn> ALL BIG LETTER ON KEYBOARD HERE!! |
| 20:39.10 | George- | rofl |
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| 20:41.30 | cynTop | ivan: ssh should reconnect on its own within a certain timeperiod |
| 20:41.42 | phoen][x | George-: thanks for that :) |
| 20:43.03 | George- | phoen][x: which one? |
| 20:43.17 | phoen][x | the fun-stuff. i'll read it on my Z |
| 20:43.28 | phoen][x | cya tomorrow |
| 20:45.00 | George- | bye |
| 20:45.08 | George- | :) |
| 20:45.55 | phoen][x | sorry, a query blocks my noble aim |
| 20:46.19 | phoen][x | ah its gone. run phoenix, run. |
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| 20:52.02 | warmi | George-: I think that conversation was set up :-) |
| 20:52.11 | George- | warmi: which one? |
| 20:52.24 | warmi | the quack |
| 20:53.11 | George- | warmi: doubt it |
| 20:53.14 | George- | warmi: ask rikkus |
| 20:54.10 | warmi | well, I mean that guy who was "looking for help" , I think he was just fucking around with #debian |
| 20:54.30 | George- | warmi: that's obvious :) |
| 20:54.37 | George- | warmi: the fact that he kept evading bans |
| 20:54.43 | George- | warmi: by connecting to different proxies? |
| 20:54.45 | George- | warmi: etc |
| 20:56.17 | mutexer | ibot ZSI |
| 21:01.38 | mewyn | hrm... my ty2divx script rocks |
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| 21:10.44 | mutexer | warmi: its up on ZSI now |
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| 21:34.52 | rjune | Hello |
| 21:35.21 | warmi | hi |
| 21:36.33 | rjune | I'm looking at picking up a zaurus and have a few Questions, I was hoping to get answered |
| 21:37.17 | rjune | how does syncing work with linux? |
| 21:38.47 | warmi | http://docs.zaurus.com/ check the "Linux Connectivity" section |
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| 21:40.06 | rjune | the kernel module is the connection driver righ? |
| 21:40.07 | warmi | actually "Syncing" section ":-) |
| 21:40.23 | warmi | http://docs.zaurus.com/sync_linux.shtml |
| 21:40.34 | rjune | found it |
| 21:42.03 | George- | cya Twiun[Zzzzz] |
| 21:45.20 | mutexer | thew new matrix trailer rocks... the twins are kickass.. they can turn collision detection on and off on themselves |
| 21:47.48 | ivan | i've never seen a 1000x800 trailer before |
| 21:47.51 | ivan | it was pretty nice |
| 21:47.52 | ljp_work | thats inconceivable! |
| 21:48.03 | yeiazel | it was unreadable |
| 21:48.07 | yeiazel | too much framedropping |
| 21:48.24 | yeiazel | at least for my office's computer |
| 21:48.26 | George- | ivan: found your stylus? |
| 21:48.41 | yeiazel | and I don't have the URL here to try to watch it on my personal computer |
| 21:48.54 | ivan | /ignore George-!*@* ALL |
| 21:49.02 | George- | nifty |
| 21:49.44 | warmi | new matrix ? |
| 21:50.06 | ivan | yeiazel: try apple's quicktime for mac instead |
| 21:50.17 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 21:50.28 | yeiazel | ivan: gimme the URL :) |
| 21:50.30 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 21:50.54 | ivan | yeiazel: store.apple.com |
| 21:51.34 | yeiazel | ok |
| 21:52.55 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
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| 21:56.28 | krezel | ~lart George- |
| 21:56.39 | krezel | ~lart George- |
| 21:56.42 | George- | krezel: I have ibot on ignore :) |
| 22:00.13 | ivan | ~lart everybody |
| 22:00.22 | ivan | ~lart everybody |
| 22:00.42 | ivan | ~lart everybody |
| 22:01.49 | ivan | ~lart ibot |
| 22:08.45 | rjune | is anyone using the openzaurus distribution? |
| 22:09.40 | gabe | i ame |
| 22:09.44 | gabe | am even |
| 22:09.48 | yeiazel | too |
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| 22:10.37 | ljp_work | me me me! also! |
| 22:14.45 | rjune | do you prefer it to the std img? what email client does it use? |
| 22:16.32 | ljp_work | well. email in opie is lacking. I just fixed mailit, or so I thought I fixed it. but it seems under certain servers, it doesnt send correctly |
| 22:16.57 | ljp_work | and I haven tfigured it out |
| 22:17.07 | kergoth | ljp_work: you see groucho's interface changes? havent had a chance to check it out myself |
| 22:17.38 | oGMo | i need to upgrade to 3.2 |
| 22:17.53 | ljp_work | to mailit? |
| 22:17.57 | kergoth | ljp_work: yes |
| 22:18.13 | kergoth | Modified Files: |
| 22:18.13 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.13 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:18.17 | George- | hrmm, which is the more universally known word? "hi" or "fuck"? |
| 22:18.26 | ljp_work | hmmm, maybe. didnt really notice, I was too involved figuring out where it was failing |
| 22:18.45 | yeiazel | George-: "fuck", surely |
| 22:19.10 | George- | yeiazel: I wouldn't be so sure |
| 22:19.11 | George- | heh |
| 22:19.22 | ljp_work | well.. bbl |
| 22:19.38 | yeiazel | no, no ! it's not "fuck" |
| 22:19.41 | yeiazel | it's "lol" :p |
| 22:19.48 | rjune | does the mail client support imap? |
| 22:19.56 | rjune | does the webbrowser support ssl? |
| 22:20.02 | treke | the webbrowser does |
| 22:20.08 | treke | the mail client sort of can |
| 22:20.24 | rjune | is this like evolution and outlook sort of support imap? |
| 22:20.30 | treke | rjune: no |
| 22:20.59 | rjune | don't tell me it's worse. |
| 22:21.02 | treke | its like it supports imap if your imap setup doesnt make the client break horribly |
| 22:21.15 | rjune | heh. |
| 22:21.24 | treke | too slow |
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| 22:21.38 | mark | hi * |
| 22:22.18 | George- | "And the part of you that can't be mentioned, I am reliably informed by women around the court, wouldn't be worth mentioning even if it could!" |
| 22:22.22 | George- | :) |
| 22:23.26 | treke | imap kinda broke down for me when I started getting very large folders |
| 22:23.35 | rjune | ? |
| 22:25.14 | rjune | do I understand the feedlist, is there an ogg player in oz? |
| 22:25.31 | treke | yes |
| 22:25.56 | rjune | sweet. |
| 22:26.40 | treke | rjune: Maybe its just the network connection, but imap access to mail boxes with 10k+ messages started to crawl along :) |
| 22:27.22 | rjune | dunno, I've had up to 3.5-4k messages and been alright. |
| 22:27.47 | rjune | thank you everyone. I do appreciate the input. |
| 22:28.13 | treke | kergoth: did you see the mail library that harlekin found? |
| 22:29.22 | treke | libEtPan |
| 22:29.33 | kergoth | treke: nope, didnt |
| 22:30.02 | treke | handles imap, pop3, nntp, and smpt |
| 22:30.21 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:30.46 | treke | ljp was going to look at working into mailit |
| 22:33.14 | chouimat | kergoth: did you update to ck5? |
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| 22:34.40 | ben | Can anyone help me out with some zaurus sync problems? |
| 22:34.51 | kergoth | chouimat: didnt know it was out |
| 22:34.57 | kergoth | chouimat: i will tonight |
| 22:35.59 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm installing it now ... |
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| 22:37.37 | gabe | am even |
| 22:38.35 | ben | I'm unable to connect to my zaurus running openzaurus through Qtopia desktop. If anyone could give me a hand.. |
| 22:38.59 | kergoth | 1) ensure desktop second lan interface for the Z is hardcoded to 192.168.129.1 |
| 22:39.04 | kergoth | 2) run security on the Z and hit ok |
| 22:39.16 | kergoth | 3) if that still fails, run ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0; and see if it improves further |
| 22:39.19 | kergoth | can you ping the Z? |
| 22:39.22 | kergoth | ftp to it on port 4242? |
| 22:39.25 | kergoth | ;) |
| 22:39.29 | ben | Tried it. |
| 22:39.35 | kergoth | 'tried it' |
| 22:39.35 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:39.39 | kergoth | tried *what*? |
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| 22:40.25 | ben | Well. |
| 22:41.04 | ben | One second. |
| 22:41.26 | George- | ben: word of advice: don't get on the wrong side of kergoth |
| 22:41.38 | kergoth | George-: theres a right side? |
| 22:41.59 | George- | kergoth: hahah |
| 22:42.15 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:42.20 | ben | The IP for the z is 192.168.129.201, accept sync is set to any. Qtopia is set for the same IP, with USB link. |
| 22:42.26 | chouimat | ben: George- is our resident toll |
| 22:42.37 | ben | Everything's connected, z reads as the USB connection is valid, and I'm unable to ftp or sync. |
| 22:42.42 | kergoth | ben: can you ping? |
| 22:43.36 | ben | I didn't see your question, and I'm not sure, since I have no idea how to ping on an ME machine, which I'm on. |
| 22:43.41 | ben | Call me windows illiterate I suppose. |
| 22:43.52 | kergoth | start -> run -> cmd -> ping 192.168.129.201 |
| 22:44.15 | ben | Right, tried that, windows can't find 'cmd' |
| 22:44.18 | kergoth | what ip does your desktop have on the usb netwowrk interface? |
| 22:44.24 | kergoth | oh sorry, winme, its command |
| 22:44.24 | treke | command.com |
| 22:44.25 | kergoth | not cmd |
| 22:44.26 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:44.46 | ben | Request timed out. |
| 22:45.06 | kergoth | ben: what ip does your desktop have on the usb netwowrk interface? |
| 22:45.07 | ben | Thanks, that's the help I'm looking for. |
| 22:45.18 | ben | How would I get to the USB network interface? |
| 22:45.28 | ben | Been looking for something to that effect, can't find it. |
| 22:45.31 | kergoth | well thats why it isnt working then, you didnt configure it |
| 22:45.34 | kergoth | i'd assume |
| 22:45.39 | kergoth | start -> settings -> control panel -> network |
| 22:45.47 | kergoth | but i've never used usb networking on a win9x based box |
| 22:45.54 | kergoth | so this is fairly close to conjecture here |
| 22:45.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:46.00 | ben | Right, been there, see nothing about USB at all. |
| 22:46.20 | kergoth | dunno then, check the docs |
| 22:46.23 | kergoth | you installed the driver, right? |
| 22:46.41 | ben | Yup. |
| 22:46.47 | ben | Synced pre-openzaurus. |
| 22:47.04 | kergoth | well, oz requires that the desktop not be configured for dhcp on that interface |
| 22:47.10 | kergoth | but i dont know how to do that with the drivers in winme |
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| 22:58.17 | Spec | <newbie> Does the Intellisync program work with OZ? |
| 22:58.34 | George- | should do |
| 22:58.42 | George- | no idea though |
| 22:59.02 | Spec | any ideas about qtopia? |
| 22:59.14 | treke | Spec: read the FAQ |
| 22:59.35 | Spec | oh, okay :) |
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| 23:09.40 | George- | An over-clock deterrent mechanism of a chipset which comprises an over-clock detection circuit for detecting over-clocking of a system (processor) clock signal based on comparison of ratio of the system (processor) clock signal which is likely to be over-clocked and a fixed, stable reference clock signal which is highly unlikely to be over-clocked, and an over-clock prevention (thwarting) circuit for deterring such an over-clocking by either dis |
| 23:09.40 | George- | abling operations of a computer system or significantly undermining key operations of a computer system |
| 23:09.53 | George- | Why the hell can't people write good english? That's a totally evil paragraph |
| 23:12.33 | *** join/#zaurus Spec (Spec@washdc3-ar2-4-43-236-047.washdc3.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 23:12.53 | Spec | Is it possible to go back to the sharp rom, after having OZ installed? If so, is there a faq on it? |
| 23:17.02 | mark | any mathsy people ab out? |
| 23:17.21 | treke | Spec: yes |
| 23:17.28 | treke | Spec: read the openzaurus faq |
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| 23:18.16 | Spec | i looked through it, what should i search for? |
| 23:18.25 | treke | look in installation |
| 23:18.27 | Spec | Or is there a way to read the faq w/o having to search through everything? |
| 23:20.11 | kergoth | Spec: dont enter anything in the search |
| 23:20.18 | kergoth | Spec: just select categories and hit submit |
| 23:20.24 | kergoth | or dont, and it'll show all the faqs |
| 23:21.37 | Spec | oh, you need a cf card |
| 23:21.57 | treke | you need a cf card to install oz period |
| 23:22.21 | Spec | i know, but i thought you could use Sharp's update rom to reinstall sharp's rom, but apparantly you can't |
| 23:22.28 | ivan | ok my zaurus screen seriously sucks |
| 23:22.30 | treke | nope |
| 23:22.31 | ivan | it flickers way too much |
| 23:22.52 | Spec | welp, i'm stuck with OZ for a week then :p |
| 23:23.19 | George- | Spec: you can use the OSPACK, iirc |
| 23:23.33 | kergoth | how did you install oz without a cf card? |
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| 23:23.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:23.40 | kergoth | drop ospack onto a cf card and flash it |
| 23:24.09 | George- | Spec: btw - why the HELL DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SHARP ROM!?!?!? |
| 23:24.10 | Spec | I borrowed a teachers ;) |
| 23:24.30 | Spec | Because, George, i'm going on vacation soon, and konq isn't working |
| 23:24.46 | George- | Spec: what's wrong with ti |
| 23:24.55 | Spec | i think it's a newbie issue |
| 23:25.07 | Spec | But now i'm just getting a wonderful little segfault |
| 23:25.26 | kergoth | konq works jsut flawlessly here |
| 23:25.31 | George- | Spec: you can try to ask tronical about it, he's the konq maintainer |
| 23:25.32 | kergoth | sounds like you installed konq from ZSI or something stupid like that. |
| 23:25.36 | rusty^_^ | hi |
| 23:25.42 | rusty^_^ | i have a problem with nfs |
| 23:25.43 | Spec | heh |
| 23:25.48 | kergoth | Spec: konq is in the OZ feeds. |
| 23:25.54 | kergoth | Spec: the version in the OZ feeds works with oz. |
| 23:25.59 | rusty^_^ | anybody knows anything about it? |
| 23:26.16 | Spec | i'd need to sync to get them, though |
| 23:26.24 | George- | kergoth: by god! Does it?!?!?!?!? I'd never have guessed, with all the other packages crashing and burning all the time! |
| 23:26.41 | kergoth | George-: eh/ |
| 23:26.51 | mark | ~lart George- |
| 23:26.56 | George- | <kergoth> Spec: the version in the OZ feeds works with oz. |
| 23:27.25 | kergoth | George-: yes, and the rest of the packages work fine as well. |
| 23:27.34 | kergoth | George-: why not get a clue before spouting bullshit? |
| 23:27.37 | kergoth | it helps. |
| 23:27.44 | George- | kergoth: I was being sarcastic |
| 23:27.53 | Spec | I can't get to the OZ feeds with my zaurus...there lies the problem |
| 23:27.59 | kergoth | Spec: ? |
| 23:28.01 | George- | kergoth: none of the OZ packages have died on me yet :) |
| 23:28.05 | George- | kergoth: (except fdisk) |
| 23:28.08 | Spec | how would i? |
| 23:28.08 | kergoth | Spec: so? you can download them and copy them to the Z over usb or wifi |
| 23:28.24 | Spec | can't access zaurus over usb...not working |
| 23:28.29 | Spec | maybe i need to reboot |
| 23:28.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:28.36 | Spec | windows is shitty like that >.< |
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| 23:34.42 | Spec | yay for failure |
| 23:34.46 | George- | kergoth: I'm trying to learn to be an asshole |
| 23:34.52 | George- | kergoth: :) |
| 23:35.17 | kergoth | i'm happy for you |
| 23:36.25 | George- | kergoth: :P |
| 23:36.40 | George- | I'm getting flamed on the Apple forums for being an asshole it seems |
| 23:36.41 | George- | heh |
| 23:36.57 | George- | I got a bit annoyed at some fucking idiot bitching that apple wouldn't repair his computer outside warranty for free |
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| 23:37.05 | George- | http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@79.if4DatPjkgn.2@.3bc164e9/2 |
| 23:37.51 | Spec | "Make sure the ip and mask is appropriate for the machine you will be syncing with." |
| 23:38.00 | Spec | How do i do that? ^.^ |
| 23:38.10 | Spec | I thought the USB ip was standard, and always the same on the Z |
| 23:38.22 | George- | Spec: it is, unless you change it :) |
| 23:38.43 | kergoth | This is OZ. it doesnt falsely limit power or flexibility. |
| 23:38.48 | kergoth | it is whatever you desire it to be |
| 23:38.55 | kergoth | _default_ z ip is 192.168.129.201 |
| 23:39.01 | kergoth | _default_ desktop ip should be 192.168.129.1 |
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| 23:39.25 | DrX | hi |
| 23:39.45 | DrX | can anyone explain me why can't I copy files from CF to SD ? |
| 23:39.54 | DrX | it keeps hanging the copy process |
| 23:40.12 | Spec | How do i change the desktop ip? |
| 23:40.16 | Spec | network, right? |
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| 23:47.24 | Spec | So, i'm up for giving up until i can borrow a CF card ^.^ |
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| 23:49.01 | TCMAN | hi |
| 23:50.21 | Spec | hmm, now my zaurus doesn't think it's connected to the computer...that's odd |
| 23:51.12 | rusty^_^ | anybody has nfs working'? |
| 23:53.27 | mark | George-: why am I doing maths at 1am? |
| 23:53.49 | rusty^_^ | good question mark |
| 23:53.51 | rusty^_^ | :^P |
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| 23:54.06 | ljp | cause you have no girlfriend |
| 23:54.08 | doughecka | hrm |
| 23:54.18 | doughecka | so I just got my "broken" zaurus |
| 23:54.27 | ljp | broken? |
| 23:54.40 | doughecka | wont boot |
| 23:55.03 | ljp | wont boot anything? |
| 23:55.24 | doughecka | well, I am trying to get it to boot |
| 23:55.26 | doughecka | reflashing it |
| 23:55.53 | doughecka | brb |
| 23:56.02 | oGMo | i bet you didn't do a full reset |
| 23:56.06 | oGMo | _after_ the flash |
| 23:56.09 | doughecka | well |
| 23:56.14 | doughecka | the lights dont turn on |
| 23:56.20 | oGMo | ? |
| 23:56.28 | doughecka | the charge light lights up |
| 23:56.33 | doughecka | but no mail light |
| 23:56.34 | oGMo | when...? |
| 23:56.40 | George- | And to a company like Apple, they find the argument "I paid $3000" or whatever amusing, simply because to them, $3000 is insignificant. If you said "I spent $300,000 on 100,000 PowerBook G4s and they've all failed" then they might take some more notice. |
| 23:56.45 | George- | woohoo, I'm such a bastard :) |
| 23:56.47 | doughecka | hold on, brb :) |
| 23:57.33 | TCMAN | George-: hello, how's the apple story ? |
| 23:57.43 | George- | TCMAN: still at apple |
| 23:57.55 | George- | TCMAN: I'm busy wreaking havoc on the Apple Discussion Forums |
| 23:58.05 | George- | "busy" :) |
| 23:58.12 | TCMAN | George-: hehe, they will send swat team and black helicopters after you |
| 23:58.18 | George- | TCMAN: hah |
| 23:59.25 | George- | TCMAN: nah, some fucker has posted a message that's goes along the lines of "My powerbook LCD failed within a year of purchasing it, but I didn't send it in for repair. Those evil bastards at apple won't fix it now outside the warranty!!! It's a design fault! I'm going back to PCs!!" |
