| 00:00.01 | George- | er.. ppc = powerpc right? |
| 00:00.05 | rev | nope |
| 00:00.09 | rev | in the pda context |
| 00:00.10 | rev | pocketPC |
| 00:00.13 | George- | I SWEAR, PPC IS POWERPC |
| 00:00.16 | George- | NOT POCKETPC |
| 00:00.17 | George- | GRRR |
| 00:00.18 | rev | eventually, that may get to be a bit fuzzier |
| 00:00.25 | rev | as there could be PowerPC PDAs |
| 00:00.31 | fliplap | George-: or power puff chicks |
| 00:00.33 | rev | with IBM's reference design that runs Qtopia no less |
| 00:04.30 | *** join/#zaurus ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 00:04.30 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o ChanServ] by leguin.freenode.net |
| 00:04.44 | George- | ChanServ: get lost |
| 00:04.51 | *** join/#zaurus guaiacum (~guaiacum@cartago-a62.racsa.co.cr) |
| 00:05.38 | rev | uff |
| 00:07.55 | kergoth | bleh |
| 00:08.47 | mewyn | friggin chanserv |
| 00:13.54 | *** join/#zaurus chinande_ (~chatzilla@adsl-68-78-135-203.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 00:20.52 | *** part/#zaurus guaiacum (~guaiacum@cartago-a62.racsa.co.cr) |
| 00:24.31 | fliplap | man, wtf, dpkg won't let you --unpack arm debs on an x86 box? |
| 00:44.34 | fliplap | all i can find in regards to pcmcia packages for the Z is a page about how it includes almost no network pcmcia packages |
| 00:44.45 | kergoth | what? |
| 00:45.02 | kergoth | that didnt make any sense |
| 00:45.12 | fliplap | its on the familar page, which looks to provide about the same ones as OZ |
| 00:45.31 | kergoth | ehh |
| 00:45.41 | kergoth | what the fuck are you talking about? |
| 00:45.47 | kergoth | pcmcia userspace tools? |
| 00:45.51 | kergoth | pcmcia drivers? |
| 00:45.52 | kergoth | what? |
| 00:46.00 | fliplap | i'm looking for the rest of the pcmcia modules, the ones that aren't included |
| 00:46.21 | kergoth | such as? |
| 00:46.38 | fliplap | the 3c575_cs module |
| 00:47.01 | kergoth | what rom? |
| 00:47.11 | fliplap | i'm running OZ3.2 |
| 00:47.20 | kergoth | okay, its not enabled in the kernel build |
| 00:47.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:47.48 | kergoth | there is no 3c575 in the 2.4.6 kernel. |
| 00:47.53 | mewyn | kergoth: you will see a good spike in cpu use on zelda |
| 00:47.55 | kergoth | theres 3c574 |
| 00:47.58 | fliplap | shouldn't keep me from loading a module tho right? |
| 00:48.14 | kergoth | fliplap: uh, 1) a module must be built against the identical kernel you're loading it into |
| 00:48.21 | fliplap | i know |
| 00:48.29 | kergoth | fliplap: 2) if you can _find_ 3c575 that even COMPILES against those sources, then yes |
| 00:48.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:48.39 | fliplap | i figured someone had compiled the pcmcia-cs for the Z |
| 00:48.49 | kergoth | OZ includes pcmcia-cs |
| 00:48.51 | fliplap | pcmcia-cs package rather |
| 00:48.52 | kergoth | just NOT the pcmcia-cs MODULES |
| 00:48.57 | fliplap | nod |
| 00:48.59 | kergoth | pcmcia-cs is both userspace tools and kernel modules |
| 00:49.11 | kergoth | it'd help if you said which you refer to half the time |
| 00:49.16 | kergoth | otherwise your statements are useless |
| 00:49.52 | fliplap | ok, i'll work on that, anyway, i take it there's no way to get those modules short of cross compiling right? |
| 00:50.02 | kergoth | how else would you? |
| 00:50.02 | *** join/#zaurus raster (~raster@203.206.217.82) |
| 00:50.19 | kergoth | you can compile them on your Z itself, or any other native arm device, in which case you arent *cross*compiling |
| 00:50.22 | fliplap | again, i thought maybe someone had compiled the modules |
| 00:50.25 | kergoth | but thatd be more work than its worth |
| 00:50.41 | fliplap | but i was wrong |
| 00:50.49 | kergoth | once again, theres no guarantee they'll even be usable on this kernel |
| 00:50.52 | George- | <Sten> George-: if I was a gay pedophile, I'd be all over you. |
| 00:50.54 | George- | yeuch |
| 00:50.59 | kergoth | i highly doubt they expect pcmcia-cs to build against 2.4.6 |
| 00:51.01 | kergoth | but who knows |
| 00:51.05 | George- | Some people really are sick bastards |
| 00:51.34 | ljp | I'll drink to that! |
| 00:51.45 | George- | ljp: hehe |
| 00:51.53 | George- | ljp: he saw my pic.. and well... he's SICK |
| 00:52.09 | fliplap | kergoth: i take it there's no plans to include the pcmcia-cs modules then anytime soon? |
| 00:52.36 | kergoth | in 2.4.6? no, its a waste of time |
| 00:52.52 | mewyn | kergoth: i'm gonna be using zelda for some video transcoding |
| 00:52.57 | kergoth | i plan on packaging them eventually, but there are like 57 more important things to be doing |
| 00:53.27 | fliplap | i guess i can try compiling them |
| 00:54.01 | fliplap | seeing as how the 3c574 module doesn't support my card |
| 00:58.25 | fliplap | either of them |
| 01:03.37 | *** join/#zaurus ljp_ (~ljp@tz0193.peakpeak.com) |
| 01:03.54 | C1qrk3 | how to unpack initrd.bin? |
| 01:05.22 | fliplap | why would you? |
| 01:08.23 | ljp_ | the flash process unpacks the initrd.bin |
| 01:10.45 | C1qrk3 | wa hahaaa |
| 01:15.42 | treke|home | C1qrk3: please put down the crack pipe |
| 01:15.42 | *** join/#zaurus rev (~rev@24-197-180-73.dul.mn.charter.com) |
| 01:15.54 | rev | time to install OZ methinks |
| 01:17.40 | rev | very odd |
| 01:17.47 | rev | openzaurus.org crashes Safari on OS X |
| 01:18.47 | George- | chouimat|angry: HAHAAHAHAHA |
| 01:19.16 | chouimat|angry | can someone kick George- for me |
| 01:19.21 | chouimat|angry | please |
| 01:19.46 | C1qrk3 | haha |
| 01:20.37 | George- | chouimat|angry: nyanyanya |
| 01:20.47 | George- | =P |
| 01:21.00 | nadav | lol |
| 01:21.56 | chouimat|angry | George-: at your age I was sleeping at thiis hours you know |
| 01:22.07 | George- | chouimat|angry: I care? |
| 01:22.17 | George- | chouimat|angry: Do I *WANT* to be like (ugh) YOU? |
| 01:22.23 | chouimat|angry | or reviewing the female anatomy |
| 01:23.44 | George- | chouimat|angry: that doesn't alter the fact that I don't want to be like you |
| 01:24.19 | arete | hey kergoth? |
| 01:24.28 | chouimat|angry | George-: if you prefer male anatomy it's ok for me |
| 01:24.35 | George- | chouimat|angry: I don't |
| 01:31.28 | arete | don't suppose anyone remembers what the 4 menu items on the c700 flash screen are? |
| 01:33.47 | _Psycho | hmm reset fsck, somthing then flash |
| 01:34.01 | _Psycho | on the flash, well usb, cf, sd and return to main menu |
| 01:34.53 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@212.126.151.128) |
| 01:34.54 | George- | ffs |
| 01:35.18 | chouimat|eat | the "aol for broadband" ad sucks |
| 01:35.59 | mutexer | heh |
| 01:36.09 | mutexer | "oh that was amazing" |
| 01:42.21 | *** join/#zaurus kergoth (~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 01:42.31 | arete | kergoth? |
| 01:47.00 | *** join/#zaurus SubDoug (SteveJobs@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 01:48.26 | SubDoug | well, nice chatting with all of you, I had a wonderfull conversation |
| 01:48.28 | SubDoug | cya |
| 01:48.29 | *** part/#zaurus SubDoug (SteveJobs@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 02:02.19 | *** join/#zaurus Novas007 (mike@levy.res.WPI.NET) |
| 02:03.47 | kendrick | re |
| 02:08.37 | mutexer | NeoTron: you here? |
| 02:09.51 | mutexer | warmi: you here? |
| 02:12.25 | George- | I'M HERE!!! |
| 02:12.26 | George- | :) |
| 02:12.36 | kendrick | ME TOO! |
| 02:12.40 | kendrick | oh god, i sound like an AOLoser! |
| 02:12.42 | George- | haha |
| 02:13.00 | *** join/#zaurus ged (~me@CPE0080c6f1cc89-CM014500002511.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:13.15 | George- | ibot seen TCMAN |
| 02:13.15 | | tcman <~dominik@adsl-64-164-8-252.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 2h 52m 30s ago, saying: 'gotta go shopping, see you guys'. |
| 02:13.16 | ivan | crap, i bought the worse screen protector |
| 02:13.20 | ivan | nushield instead of G2 |
| 02:13.26 | George- | ivan: you fool |
| 02:13.32 | George- | ibot lart ivan |
| 02:13.38 | George- | ivan: the G2 rocks, I have one |
| 02:14.11 | ivan | oh well it was only $20 i'll live with it for a few weeks |
| 02:14.19 | George- | $20!?!? |
| 02:14.29 | George- | you FOOL!! |
| 02:14.44 | ivan | SHUTUP |
| 02:14.55 | George- | hehe |
| 02:15.18 | chouimat | can someone kick George- pllease |
| 02:18.40 | George- | chouimat: DIE!!! |
| 02:19.53 | CodeYoddler | FUCK |
| 02:19.59 | George- | CodeYoddler: ? |
| 02:20.02 | CodeYoddler | I don't know |
| 02:20.15 | CodeYoddler | so fucking get out of my fucking business |
| 02:20.23 | CodeYoddler | fucking dumbass whore |
| 02:21.07 | George- | woot |
| 02:24.07 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 02:24.12 | *** kick/#zaurus [CodeYoddler!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (kergoth) |
| 02:24.15 | kendrick | hehe |
| 02:24.15 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (kergoth) |
| 02:24.18 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@212.126.151.128) |
| 02:24.23 | George- | hey kergoth |
| 02:24.26 | *** mode/#zaurus [-o kergoth] by kergoth |
| 02:24.28 | *** join/#zaurus ow6o (~rpav@208.187.9.99) |
| 02:25.34 | ivan | well if it makes my screen foggy or if it scratches i'll yell at them really loud |
| 02:25.46 | George- | kergoth: heya |
| 02:26.17 | kergoth | bbl |
| 02:26.26 | George- | cya kergoth |
| 02:27.01 | *** join/#zaurus CodeYoddler (~codeyoddl@12.242.131.241) |
| 02:27.26 | CodeYoddler | George-, you are fucking dumbass bitch cocksucker whore. |
| 02:27.40 | ivan | /ban *!*@12.242.131.241 |
| 02:27.50 | ivan | ---[CodeYoddler] #zaurus #Mandrake #sdl |
| 02:27.52 | George- | CodeYoddler: who the hell are you? |
| 02:27.53 | ivan | haha, mandrake user |
| 02:27.55 | kendrick | jeezus |
| 02:28.03 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 02:28.08 | CodeYoddler | do the honors |
| 02:28.10 | *** mode/#zaurus [+b *!*@12.242.131.241] by kergoth |
| 02:28.13 | *** kick/#zaurus [CodeYoddler!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (buh-bye) |
| 02:28.36 | George- | who the fucking hell was that |
| 02:28.51 | mewyn | i've seen him in here before, but he never gave any trouble |
| 02:28.57 | kergoth | until now |
| 02:29.10 | mewyn | what was his problem? |
| 02:29.36 | fishy | lol |
| 02:30.15 | George- | it's that time of the month? |
| 02:32.02 | kendrick | he's in #sdl still |
| 02:32.22 | chouimat | re |
| 02:32.25 | kendrick | he's also on as codeyoddl |
| 02:33.31 | chouimat | did I miss something? |
| 02:33.42 | kergoth`bbl | bbl, again |
| 02:33.53 | kergoth`bbl | message me if the idiot returns, i'll be downstairs |
| 02:34.00 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: you can say that you have a date tonight |
| 02:34.00 | ivan | anyone use the nushield or does everybody use the G2 one? |
| 02:34.46 | fishy | Is that HSN deal still on? |
| 02:34.53 | fishy | the 2nd one |
| 02:34.58 | ivan | /topic |
| 02:35.06 | fishy | GAH |
| 02:35.12 | George- | ivan: I use the G2 |
| 02:35.12 | ivan | NEENER NEENER |
| 02:35.15 | jshare | lol |
| 02:35.26 | ivan | George-: anything bad about it at all? |
| 02:35.27 | jshare | it took what, a day, for them to sell out? |
| 02:35.32 | George- | ivan: no |
| 02:39.17 | kendrick | how many did they sell, anyone know? |
| 02:41.26 | ivan | hey, anyone work at HSN? |
| 02:41.34 | fishy | lol |
| 02:42.10 | kendrick | heh |
| 02:42.52 | *** join/#zaurus darmou (~darmou@dyn40.mel1.homedsl.pacific.net.au) |
| 02:43.56 | kendrick | re dar |
| 02:44.03 | ivan | what the heck is "re"? |
| 02:44.24 | kendrick | "re hello", or "hello, again" |
| 02:44.33 | darmou | Hi All |
| 02:44.34 | kendrick | i dunno... some lame irc thing i've gottan addicted to doing :) |
| 02:44.48 | darmou | Has anyone used xwindows on the z? |
| 02:45.23 | ljp_ | someone has, I am sure |
| 02:45.23 | kendrick | once |
| 02:45.24 | ivan | why would anyone want to do that? |
| 02:45.32 | kendrick | i prefer vnc viewer |
| 02:45.37 | ljp_ | man, I miss all the fun |
| 02:45.51 | kendrick | what's wrong, ljp? |
| 02:45.53 | darmou | I'm trying to run basilisk |
| 02:46.03 | ljp_ | codeyoddler |
| 02:46.12 | kendrick | oh - hehehehehe |
| 02:46.17 | kendrick | SHUT THE F*** UP YOU STUPID MORON |
| 02:46.20 | kendrick | is that better? ;) |
| 02:46.31 | kendrick | i can hit the capslock key, too, you know ;) |
| 02:46.32 | ljp_ | no, cause you wont get kicked |
| 02:46.37 | kendrick | aww, shucks :^( |
| 02:53.36 | chouimat|tv | ljp_: I can fix that kendrick go in #openembedded so I cann kick you |
| 02:53.52 | kendrick | heh |
| 02:53.57 | kendrick | openembedded is the generic openzaurus, eh? |
| 02:54.01 | chouimat|tv | yup |
| 02:54.13 | ljp_ | will run on ipaqs, etc |
| 02:54.55 | chouimat|tv | ok I want them in my bed (speaking of the chicks in charmed :)) |
| 02:55.00 | ljp_ | my cat almost knocked a $700 mic down |
| 02:55.27 | chouimat|tv | ljp_: ouch |
| 02:56.02 | ljp_ | it was in it's case, but it was still fairly high up |
| 02:56.53 | chouimat|tv | ljp_: I remember when I was at my parents house ... my sister cat used to sleep in my bass drums ... |
| 02:57.13 | ljp_ | hehehhehee.. that would be really cruel to wake it up !! |
| 02:57.13 | chouimat|tv | I cured him of that |
| 02:57.18 | ljp_ | hahaa |
| 02:58.07 | chouimat|tv | ljp_: so he found a new place to sleep at night .... on my head |
| 02:58.32 | ljp_ | man, that showstopper mailit bug was idiotic |
| 02:59.11 | ljp_ | and the thing is, thats the way it was in qpe cvs when it was there |
| 02:59.29 | chouimat|tv | why that chick ask me out tonight while she was in that time of the month |
| 02:59.42 | ljp_ | she so horney |
| 03:00.11 | chouimat|tv | ljp_: maybe ... well since she's only 18 she will be fresh longuer |
| 03:00.31 | ljp_ | you evil pedophile! |
| 03:01.01 | ljp_ | 19 yr olds are fun |
| 03:02.01 | ljp_ | 'I keep getting older, and the girls just stay the same!' |
| 03:02.36 | chouimat|tv | ljp_: I'm ok she "majeure" here :) |
| 03:02.48 | ljp_ | here, too |
| 03:02.50 | *** join/#zaurus Locutus4242 (~zaphrod@66-75-31-152.san.rr.com) |
| 03:03.01 | ljp_ | my grandma was married when she was 14 |
| 03:03.23 | ljp_ | try that no days |
| 03:03.27 | ljp_ | now |
| 03:03.56 | chouimat|tv | huh? Chuck Norris Missing in Action |
| 03:08.29 | chouimat|tv | coool life of brian on tv ... |
| 03:08.49 | kendrick | where!? |
| 03:08.57 | chouimat|tv | here |
| 03:09.47 | kendrick | :^P |
| 03:09.59 | chouimat|tv | kendrick: local tv |
| 03:20.40 | *** join/#zaurus jumpkick (~me@CPE0080c6f1cc89-CM014500002511.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 03:21.34 | jumpkick | what's the best way to map a drive on OZ3.2... is there an smbclient pacakage? |
| 03:25.10 | *** join/#zaurus Davv (Davv@CPE-65-28-193-25.new.rr.com) |
| 03:28.01 | NeoTron | mutexer: here now |
| 03:28.33 | mutexer | any idea why Mix_PlayMusic pauses on looping? |
| 03:28.47 | mutexer | also, any idea why Mix_VolumeMusic does nothing |
| 03:43.17 | mutexer | NeoTron: how do you get SDL to work with oggs? do you have to install some ipkgs? |
| 03:43.41 | NeoTron | SDL_mixer had ogg support these days |
| 03:43.44 | NeoTron | you need the ogg libraries yes |
| 03:43.56 | mutexer | ibot ogg |
| 03:43.57 | | i heard ogg is found at http://www.xiph.org |
| 03:44.04 | mutexer | ibot ZSI |
| 03:49.46 | darmou | ibot postgresql |
| 03:49.47 | | well, postgresql is very modular, it can be built to be quite small supposedly. |
| 03:50.06 | *** part/#zaurus hcarty (~hcarty@209.150.103.224) |
| 03:50.09 | mutexer | hmm |
| 03:50.13 | mutexer | that didnt seem to work |
| 03:50.18 | mutexer | or I got the wrong libs |
| 03:50.45 | mutexer | I installed ogglibs_1.0rc3_arm.ipk |
| 03:54.11 | *** join/#zaurus mrwoody (paolo@156-pool1.ras12.nynyc-t.alerondial.net) |
| 03:59.54 | mutexer | NeoTron: any idea where I can find a working ipkg? |
| 04:01.09 | *** join/#zaurus TrekCycling (~prestonc@12-224-247-37.client.attbi.com) |
| 04:01.56 | TrekCycling | anyone here use OZ 3.2? |
| 04:02.17 | NeoTron | mutexer: you need to build yourself I gfigure |
| 04:03.16 | mutexer | I think there would be a libvorbis ipkg already |
| 04:03.40 | NeoTron | well, you need to build SDL_mixer to use it too |
| 04:03.53 | mutexer | if thats what Im needing.. the libvorbis on ZSI says not in gzip format or something like that |
| 04:04.29 | mutexer | I isntalled SDL_mixer from an ipkg.. you dont think they had support built in? |
| 04:05.32 | NeoTron | probably now |
| 04:05.41 | NeoTron | support is also, I think, relatively new |
| 04:09.11 | *** join/#zaurus badalex (~badalex@cpe-66-1-177-91.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 04:13.50 | *** join/#zaurus Bala (~Bala@hsdbsk142-165-117-24.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 04:15.38 | mutexer | NeoTron: if I custome compile them... what do they produce? I dont even know how to isntall the files |
| 04:24.26 | *** join/#zaurus RoboHak (~Rob@lats10-216.znet.net) |
| 04:25.00 | *** join/#zaurus Com[Plex] (ANGRYMAN@65.217.160.228) |
| 04:26.42 | RoboHak | does anyone have any suggestions on how to flash OpenZaurus 3.2 onto a 5500 when the 2 LEDs blink instead of staying solid? |
| 04:27.19 | *** part/#zaurus badalex (~badalex@cpe-66-1-177-91.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 04:28.40 | Com[Plex] | uh... |
| 04:28.49 | Com[Plex] | you probably got the wrong files on your CF catrd |
| 04:28.51 | Com[Plex] | card |
| 04:29.02 | Com[Plex] | mayeb you got some hidden files there, or you named them wrong |
| 04:29.27 | Com[Plex] | the ONLY two files that should be in the root of your CF card are initrd.bin and zImage |
| 04:29.42 | RoboHak | I double checked that from the console, those are the only 2 files |
| 04:29.50 | Com[Plex] | with ls -lga ? |
| 04:30.02 | RoboHak | ls -la |
| 04:30.22 | Com[Plex] | then they might not have written properly. - if you copied them to the CF card and ejected it too soon or something,. try re writeing them. |
| 04:30.50 | RoboHak | I've copied them multiple ways, and multiple times, with no luck |
| 04:31.01 | Com[Plex] | if you use a USB reader/writer, wait till the lights go out, and then use the right click/eject function before you remove the cf card. that way it will "finish up" so to speak |
| 04:31.18 | Com[Plex] | well. you might have a bunk cf card.. |
| 04:31.26 | RoboHak | yeah, I know about that |
| 04:31.37 | RoboHak | the cf card has been working fine for everything else so far |
| 04:32.01 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 04:32.06 | Com[Plex] | what is the cf card formatted as? |
| 04:32.15 | Com[Plex] | and you say it has flashed for you before? |
| 04:32.39 | RoboHak | it's FAT16, and this is the first time I've tried flashing |
| 04:32.41 | Com[Plex] | umount /mnt/cf; fsck.vfat /dev/hda1 |
| 04:32.52 | Com[Plex] | you sure its fat16? |
| 04:33.12 | RoboHak | yeah, I even tried reformatting it |
| 04:34.37 | Com[Plex] | thats weird. |
| 04:34.48 | Com[Plex] | hang on, I wanna see what my cf cards are formatted for |
| 04:35.29 | RoboHak | hmm, fsck is showing fat32 right now, maybe because my last reformat was without the -F 16 option |
| 04:35.37 | Com[Plex] | uh.. |
| 04:35.43 | mutexer | is there some libvorbisidec1_20030325-1_arm.ipk wont install on the sharp rom? I got it from openzaurus feed |
| 04:36.01 | Com[Plex] | what does "mount" say? |
| 04:36.36 | Com[Plex] | mutexer: 0,1SYNTAX ERROR |
| 04:36.44 | jumpkick | ibot mail |
| 04:36.45 | | i guess mail is on it's way :-) |
| 04:37.02 | RoboHak | mount says vfat |
| 04:37.09 | Com[Plex] | yeah, on mine too. |
| 04:37.26 | Com[Plex] | now, I dont know if its supposed to say that or if its fooled into beleiveing that. |
| 04:37.27 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 04:37.32 | Com[Plex] | let me check frmo my reacder |
| 04:37.40 | RoboHak | ok |
| 04:38.08 | RoboHak | my linux box is down right now, so I can't do anything from linux through my reader |
| 04:38.27 | RoboHak | I'm stuck with what's on the zaurus and win98se |
| 04:38.39 | Com[Plex] | my reader says its fat. |
| 04:38.42 | mutexer | It tells me that the ipkg is not in gzip format |
| 04:38.49 | Com[Plex] | it isnt mutexer |
| 04:39.00 | Com[Plex] | its in "AR" format wich is not gzipped |
| 04:39.03 | Com[Plex] | "ar" |
| 04:39.06 | mutexer | so I cant install it? |
| 04:39.18 | Com[Plex] | correct. you would need a special sharop format. |
| 04:39.36 | RoboHak | mutexer: vorbis-plugin_1.0.1-6_arm.ipk that file works on my Sharp ROM for ogg files |
| 04:39.37 | mutexer | grr |
| 04:39.37 | Com[Plex] | why are you still using the sharp rom? - just stubborn? or preference? |
| 04:39.57 | mutexer | caues Im developing apps |
| 04:40.10 | mutexer | RoboHak: I tried that and the ogg file played really fast |
| 04:40.13 | mutexer | I figured it didnt work |
| 04:40.31 | RoboHak | mutexer: strange, it's working fine for me |
| 04:40.39 | Com[Plex] | heh. all the better reason to use OZ. mutexer: let me say one thing, are you ready to develope apps if yuo cant un ar a oz ipk? |
| 04:41.10 | Com[Plex] | all you gotta do,. is put the file on your zaurus, run; ar -x blahblah.ipk |
| 04:41.12 | mutexer | I just want the ogg libs.. |
| 04:41.24 | mutexer | I dont care about the politics |
| 04:42.29 | Com[Plex] | once you got those files unarred, just tar -xzf data.tar |
| 04:42.32 | Com[Plex] | and your files will be in there. |
| 04:45.53 | RoboHak | I've heard from a few sites that CF cards that have been reformatted to FAT16 might not work, but it doesn't make much sense why they wouldn't |
| 04:49.17 | treke|home | I've read that elvis is still alive |
| 04:49.51 | *** join/#zaurus ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 04:49.51 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o ChanServ] by leguin.freenode.net |
| 04:49.53 | chouimat`bored | treke|home: me too and he's currently doing marylin monroe |
| 04:51.09 | *** join/#zaurus sunyata (~chris@dsl093-077-209.sea2.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 04:54.03 | mutexer | anyone know how to get libogg to configure? |
| 04:54.18 | mutexer | Im getting .. checking size of short... configure: error: can not run test program while cross compiling |
| 04:54.26 | mutexer | when trying to compile for Z |
| 04:54.33 | kergoth`bbl | thats not surprising. |
| 04:54.46 | mutexer | how can I fix it? |
| 04:54.49 | kergoth`bbl | you either need to patch configure.(ac|in) to set a default for that test, or supply the test result in a config.cache |
| 04:54.50 | RoboHak | you might want to use the tremor version of libogg |
| 04:54.56 | kergoth`bbl | we use the latter method |
| 04:55.10 | kergoth`bbl | iirc tremor is libvorbisidec, not libogg |
| 04:55.15 | kergoth`bbl | brb |
| 04:55.18 | *** join/#zaurus omoore (~omoore@ip68-13-242-182.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 04:55.19 | RoboHak | ah, ok |
| 04:55.21 | mutexer | I just need to be able to play ogg filesw |
| 04:55.28 | mutexer | for my game |
| 04:55.42 | mutexer | I cant find libraries anywhere that will install on my Zaurus |
| 04:55.45 | Com[Plex] | whats the deal with "opie-base" now? |
| 04:56.12 | Com[Plex] | I see it mentioned as a dependency for opieplayer2, but cant find it anywhere/ |
| 04:56.24 | kergoth`bbl | Com[Plex]: task-opie-minimal Provides opit-base |
| 04:56.25 | kergoth`bbl | opie-base |
| 04:56.25 | Com[Plex] | anywhere within the 3.2 feed... |
| 04:56.35 | kergoth`bbl | Com[Plex]: you already have it. whether you know it or not |
| 04:56.43 | Com[Plex] | thats what I wanted to know |
| 04:56.48 | Com[Plex] | allready got it. |
| 04:56.57 | Com[Plex] | it doeswnt show up as an installed package tho. |
| 04:57.00 | Com[Plex] | *shrug* |
| 04:57.02 | kergoth`bbl | no, it doesnt. |
| 04:57.04 | kergoth`bbl | it isnt a package |
| 04:57.09 | kergoth`bbl | its Provided by a package |
| 04:57.14 | kergoth`bbl | using the Provides: ipk field |
| 04:57.25 | Com[Plex] | I see. |
| 04:57.25 | kergoth`bbl | its a satisfied dependency, but isnt a package in and of itself. |
| 04:57.56 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 05:01.17 | mutexer | kergoth`bbl: is there a tool to open the OpenZaurus packages on a PC? |
| 05:01.31 | mutexer | so I could open the one from the feed and get the files |
| 05:01.40 | kergoth`bbl | its an ar archive |
| 05:01.41 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 05:01.42 | kergoth`bbl | ar x blah.ipk |
| 05:01.43 | Com[Plex] | winrar |
| 05:01.45 | omoore | mutexer: it's just a tarball i believe.. so if you rename to tgz and use winzip.. you rpolly can |
| 05:01.48 | Com[Plex] | oooh. |
| 05:01.49 | kergoth`bbl | no |
| 05:01.52 | kergoth`bbl | new ipk format is ar |
| 05:01.54 | kergoth`bbl | old ipk format is tar.gz |
| 05:01.56 | omoore | i see |
| 05:01.56 | omoore | sorry |
| 05:01.58 | Com[Plex] | if your on windows, tho, ar files are a bitch |
| 05:02.01 | kergoth`bbl | old is inefficient |
| 05:02.02 | kergoth`bbl | Com[Plex]: yep |
| 05:02.06 | Com[Plex] | I cant find any way to unar them under windows |
| 05:02.14 | kergoth`bbl | Com[Plex]: cygwin ar |
| 05:02.16 | kergoth`bbl | Com[Plex]: :D |
| 05:02.19 | mutexer | cool I have ar installed |
| 05:02.22 | *** join/#zaurus myuu (myuu@0-1pool216-78.nas3.bismarck1.nd.us.da.qwest.net) |
| 05:02.30 | omoore | well. you could do something like this... |
| 05:02.40 | omoore | samba mount a win share... |
| 05:02.41 | Com[Plex] | any chance someone in here could make a win32 app for ar ? |
| 05:03.03 | RoboHak | kergoth: how is tar.gz inefficient compared to ar? |
| 05:03.03 | kergoth`bbl | Com[Plex]: cygwin ar is a win32 app.. just happens to use the cygwin dll :) |
| 05:03.04 | omoore | unpack from the z using the console app (vi vnc for comfort) :) |
| 05:03.15 | omoore | cygwin freaking rocks! |
| 05:03.18 | kergoth`bbl | RoboHak: .ipk contains data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz |
| 05:03.18 | Com[Plex] | omoore: thats what i do. I ssh into my zaurus and smbmount my pcs zaurus share. then unar it from there. |
| 05:03.24 | ivan | cygwin friggin sucks |
| 05:03.30 | Com[Plex] | cygwin sucks. |
| 05:03.32 | kergoth`bbl | RoboHak: gzipping already gzipped data 1) wastes cpu cycles, and 2) inreases size |
| 05:03.32 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 05:03.34 | omoore | ivan: i disagree |
| 05:03.39 | kergoth`bbl | cygwin works great in my experience |
| 05:03.45 | ivan | well it's great if you don't mind having half the things broken |
| 05:03.47 | Com[Plex] | cna use the cygwin ar from a windows c prompt? |
| 05:03.54 | kergoth`bbl | Com[Plex]: of course |
| 05:03.57 | Com[Plex] | or do I have to Load cygwin? |
| 05:03.58 | omoore | cygwin recent (last 6 mo or so) freaking rocks |
| 05:03.59 | kergoth`bbl | thats the point. |
| 05:04.02 | Com[Plex] | huh? let me try that |
| 05:04.07 | kergoth`bbl | you need the cygwin dll, iirc |
| 05:04.17 | RoboHak | kergoth`bbl: oh, they had the .tar.gz inside of the .tar.gz .ipks too? |
| 05:04.20 | Com[Plex] | I have cygwin |
| 05:04.32 | omoore | but do the install.. it's very cool for you the windows environment when you *must* be on a windows box |
| 05:04.38 | omoore | i use it on my win2k laptop at work |
| 05:04.38 | kergoth`bbl | RoboHak: no |
| 05:04.43 | *** join/#zaurus jumpkickZ (~jumpkickZ@CPE0080c6f1cc89-CM014500002511.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:04.50 | kergoth`bbl | RoboHak: well yes, but you exlpain it incorrectly |
| 05:04.59 | kergoth`bbl | data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz must reside in the ipk |
| 05:05.02 | omoore | even has an x server for windows you can install |
| 05:05.02 | Com[Plex] | fuck it, I just use VMware anyway. whenever I need a linux box. |
| 05:05.11 | kergoth`bbl | the base ipk format was tar.gz, which wa a bad decision |
| 05:05.19 | kergoth`bbl | they shoudlve just followed debian in the first place and used ar |
| 05:05.27 | omoore | Com[Plex]: i'm the opposite.. i use vmware when i *must* have a windows box |
| 05:05.29 | Com[Plex] | besides that, you cant really untar an ipk under windows if you expect the symlinks and permissions to stay the same |
| 05:05.37 | Com[Plex] | how ironic |
| 05:05.54 | kergoth`bbl | jumpkickZ: you should try irssi on the Z ;) |
| 05:06.00 | jumpkickZ | lol |
| 05:06.12 | Com[Plex] | whats irssi? |
| 05:06.15 | omoore | heh true |
| 05:06.28 | jumpkickZ | is there an ipkg for it? |
| 05:06.39 | djr | Com[Plex]: irc client |
| 05:06.48 | djr | Com[Plex]: imo, its the best ever made |
| 05:06.49 | djr | :) |
| 05:06.57 | djr | djr|z = irssi on my zaurus |
| 05:06.57 | djr | hehe |
| 05:07.16 | kergoth`bbl | jumpkickZ: in the OZ feeds, yep |
| 05:07.20 | *** join/#zaurus RoboHak_ (~Rob@lats01-50.znet.net) |
| 05:07.50 | jumpkickZ | if it ran from term I could make the font smaller |
| 05:08.06 | jumpkickZ | lemme see |
| 05:08.23 | kergoth`bbl | irssi is a console app |
| 05:08.28 | kergoth`bbl | ther eis an X version, but no opie version yet |
| 05:09.03 | myuu | c600 or whatever |
| 05:09.13 | kergoth`bbl | thats c700 |
| 05:09.25 | kergoth`bbl | dont know whether they're coming up with a US version of that one |
| 05:09.34 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 05:09.40 | myuu | ya, know I know |
| 05:09.59 | myuu | how they dont, i dont need another laptop |
| 05:10.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:10.10 | myuu | s/laptop/temptation/ |
| 05:10.22 | myuu | need to save for an ibook |
| 05:10.28 | kergoth | c700 is a really smooth unit, if they come up with a US unit with the pxa255 it'll kick ass. |
| 05:11.03 | jumpkickZ | kergoth, i dont c irssi in the stable feed |
| 05:11.30 | jumpkickZ | is there more stuff in test, unstable? |
| 05:11.30 | myuu | i think i farked up my 5000....mybe i should get a yopy |
| 05:12.07 | kergoth | jumpkickZ: all the feeds need an update, a lot of the packages wernet built in the previous unstable update |
| 05:12.19 | kergoth | jumpkickZ: i'm doing a build as we speak, and will update all the feeds before i go to bed |
| 05:13.21 | myuu | so kergoth...im still on 3.0, does 3.2 have java now? |
| 05:13.28 | jumpkick | kergoth: should I be tracking unstable or will the new stuff show up in stable too? |
| 05:13.35 | kergoth | myuu: no, only if you install jeode |
| 05:13.53 | kergoth | jumpkick: the busybox mknod bug fix will make it into stable, all the rest of the updates will be testing/unstable for hte moment |
| 05:14.03 | *** join/#zaurus duplexer_wifi (~GMF@user-uiver7o.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 05:14.04 | kergoth | right now, feed maintainance is entirely manual |
| 05:14.12 | myuu | kergoth: still commercial/non-free? |
| 05:14.14 | kergoth | and its a bitch to manage manual changes on a per package basis |
| 05:14.26 | kergoth | myuu: jeode isnt open source. its in the sharp rom. |
| 05:14.36 | kergoth | myuu: wonka has qt bindings, but they arent ready for primetime yet |
| 05:14.42 | kergoth | just a matter of time |
| 05:14.51 | jumpkick | cool I'll track unstable then, I'll check for irssi when I wake up |
| 05:15.11 | myuu | then nothing has changed in 4 months? =P |
| 05:15.20 | kergoth | huh? |
| 05:15.26 | kergoth | nothing has change IN JAVA |
| 05:15.33 | kergoth | go read the fucking changelog |
| 05:15.33 | kergoth | and stop wasting my time. |
| 05:15.51 | treke|home | writing qt bindings for java aint exactly the easiest thing in the world |
| 05:16.34 | myuu | woah...man...I know...I've just been trieing to get back up to date |
| 05:16.42 | kergoth | try reading |
| 05:16.46 | kergoth | that'll get you up to date pretty fast |
| 05:17.00 | myuu | I know what a bitch java is man |
| 05:17.46 | kergoth | we're developers, not fucking miracle workers. if you want something to happen faster, get off your ass. Patches Welcome, as Tim would say |
| 05:18.50 | masticator | twiun is doing all the java bindings stuff |
| 05:18.53 | masticator | talk to him |
| 05:19.14 | myuu | no crap man, i know, i not criticizing you for its slow comings |
| 05:19.31 | masticator | slowcomings? |
| 05:19.32 | myuu | i was just curious |
| 05:19.41 | masticator | OZ has progressed way faster than the sharp OS |
| 05:19.50 | kergoth | myuu: slowcomings? |
| 05:20.02 | kergoth | so we dont have qt bindings for java. you think java is all there is? |
| 05:20.17 | masticator | java has really not been a priority |
| 05:20.26 | myuu | i know masticator, thats why i use it |
| 05:20.41 | myuu | does java on the console work? |
| 05:20.42 | ivan | use pyqt |
| 05:20.53 | myuu | (with waka) |
| 05:21.17 | kergoth | myuu: yes |
| 05:21.34 | myuu | cool, thats what i care about most |
| 05:22.12 | NeoTron | Charmed is such a good tv series. :) |
| 05:22.42 | mutexer | NeoTron: do I need libogg, libvorbis, or both? |
| 05:23.04 | NeoTron | afaik, libogg, libvorbis and libvorbisfile |
| 05:23.19 | kergoth | you'll want libvorbisidec, not libvorbis |
| 05:23.24 | kergoth | (tremor, integer) |
| 05:23.33 | mutexer | Ive got that |
| 05:23.58 | mutexer | so I need to compile SDL to use libvorbisidec? |
| 05:24.09 | mutexer | or do I need to make a certain symlink or what? |
| 05:25.56 | NeoTron | kergoth: true |
| 05:26.08 | NeoTron | mutexer: not sure |
| 05:26.21 | mutexer | how did you get it working? |
| 05:26.24 | NeoTron | I haven't gotten to ogg audio on the zaurus yet |
| 05:26.29 | mutexer | oh |
| 05:26.37 | NeoTron | as a matter of fact, I have no audio at all yet |
| 05:26.40 | mutexer | im aboutr to give up on it |
| 05:27.08 | NeoTron | from what you said, it sounds like you have no cpu to spare either |
| 05:27.25 | mutexer | well I might |
| 05:27.49 | mutexer | I think Im using the rest of the CPU but I dont have to be |
| 05:27.53 | *** join/#zaurus mithro (~tim@dsl1-83.gw1.adl1.airnet.com.au) |
| 05:34.00 | Com[Plex] | shit man, how am I supposed to get a MOV file opened in opieplayer2 ? |
| 05:34.10 | fliplap | you're not |
| 05:34.27 | fliplap | you can however transcode it |
| 05:34.50 | Com[Plex] | uh.. opieplayer is describde as having the ability to open quickltime files |
| 05:35.09 | fliplap | ok |
| 05:35.10 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: quicktime and quicktime are different things |
| 05:35.17 | NeoTron | or to be exact, quicktime is just a container format |
| 05:35.18 | fliplap | heh |
| 05:35.19 | NeoTron | such as avi |
| 05:35.22 | fliplap | yes |
| 05:35.30 | NeoTron | the codecs matter a heck of a whole lot |
| 05:35.32 | Com[Plex] | Description: The Opie media player |
| 05:35.32 | Com[Plex] | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.32 | Com[Plex] | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.39 | NeoTron | and the most common one is soerensen which are closed |
| 05:35.39 | fliplap | quicktime uses many many many codecs |
| 05:35.54 | fliplap | NeoTron: but supported by the latest mplayer |
| 05:36.02 | NeoTron | I know |
| 05:36.05 | fliplap | so you can transcode the video using mencoder |
| 05:36.41 | NeoTron | which btw only works because they managed to plug into the quicktime windows codec files |
| 05:36.51 | Com[Plex] | mencoder? does it run on the zaurus? |
| 05:36.51 | fliplap | yup |
| 05:36.54 | NeoTron | and which also is quite DAMN SLOW |
| 05:36.59 | fliplap | Com[Plex]: no, but it runs on linux |
| 05:37.02 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: it does I'm sure but that doesn't help you |
| 05:37.08 | fliplap | NeoTron: i have no problem with it |
| 05:37.08 | NeoTron | since as I said it uses windows codecs |
| 05:37.10 | Com[Plex] | I dont want to put quicktime on my PC. its a peice of shit,. virus imho |
| 05:37.18 | fliplap | it ran fine on my celeron 500 |
| 05:37.26 | NeoTron | fliplap: depends on the movie |
| 05:37.42 | fliplap | shrug, the only thing i ever used it for was trailers |
| 05:37.43 | NeoTron | I tried to play a 1000x600 or something video |
| 05:37.46 | fliplap | and they played fine |
| 05:38.08 | NeoTron | now go get the best quality matrix trailer and see if you still think it plays good. :P |
| 05:38.13 | fliplap | heh, well, full motion 1000x600 is some big stuff |
| 05:38.22 | Com[Plex] | zzz |
| 05:38.27 | NeoTron | let me put it this way, it's a very cpu intensive coded, way more so than say divc |
| 05:38.31 | fliplap | i have a 2100xp now |
| 05:38.44 | fliplap | atm its the only way todo it |
| 05:38.51 | mutexer | is Tremor GPL? |
| 05:39.15 | Com[Plex] | grrr |
| 05:39.19 | fliplap | i'm just glad it works, again, you can transcode it if you really need 1000x600 video |
| 05:39.49 | mutexer | I found a patch for tremor that the person who posted it says they get a performance increase from 19% CPU required to 9% |
| 05:40.05 | NeoTron | mutexer: no, it's BSD |
| 05:40.12 | NeoTron | mutexer: cool |
| 05:40.13 | fliplap | even better |
| 05:40.43 | NeoTron | fliplap: I'm also glad it works and believe me, I'm dissing sorensen, not mplayer |
| 05:40.50 | NeoTron | I'm pretty sure the cpu is used to a large degree by the codec |
| 05:40.56 | NeoTron | I honestly don't see why it's used so much |
| 05:41.16 | NeoTron | I mean, it doens't seem very good compression wise (high bitrate needed for decent video), or performance wise |
| 05:41.32 | Com[Plex] | I HATE quicktime. sucks my nads. |
| 05:42.00 | Com[Plex] | grumble |
| 05:42.21 | fliplap | t-r-a-n-s-c-o-d-i-n-g |
| 05:42.32 | Com[Plex] | link me |
| 05:42.45 | Com[Plex] | I use windows. so if you give me some pos linux app im gonna scream |
| 05:43.05 | fliplap | well thats the end of that isn't it |
| 05:43.48 | treke|home | Com[Plex]: gaim |
| 05:44.19 | fliplap | otherwise mencoder FILE.SOURCE -ovc lavc -vop scale=352:240 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=230 -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=10 -srate 22050 -o OUTPUT.avi |
| 05:44.39 | fliplap | makes a pretty decent 50-60meg 20 minute video |
| 05:44.53 | fliplap | assuming TV resolution |
| 05:45.11 | fliplap | otherwise that -vop scale is going to make people look funny :-) |
| 05:45.12 | mutexer | NeoTron: you sure its possible to use tremor with SDL? |
| 05:46.19 | NeoTron | mutexer: actually, no I am not |
| 05:46.31 | NeoTron | as I said, haven't tried it |
| 05:46.42 | NeoTron | I'm sure it's not at all impossible but it might require some refactoring |
| 05:47.04 | NeoTron | and by the time I start with audio, I'll definitely deal / patch it to work. :) |
| 05:47.14 | NeoTron | the vorbis code is very simple really (i.e not many lines at all) |
| 05:47.24 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 05:47.51 | Com[Plex] | who the hell wants to type ten lines of code to convert one video frmo one sucky format to antoher? |
| 05:48.11 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: huh? |
| 05:48.14 | treke|home | thats only three lines |
| 05:48.18 | Com[Plex] | oh look, cant open .divx files either. |
| 05:48.29 | Com[Plex] | mencoder FILE.SOURCE -ovc lavc -vop scale=352:240 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=230 -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=10 -srate 22050 -o OUTPUT.avi |
| 05:48.44 | Com[Plex] | *cough*gay*cough |
| 05:48.49 | NeoTron | uh why? |
| 05:49.05 | NeoTron | that said ,a UI might not be a bad idea |
| 05:49.09 | NeoTron | actually would be quite cool |
| 05:49.35 | Com[Plex] | because whoever wrote it and invested all the time and energy into making a tool liek this, couldnt make a UI. shame shame |
| 05:49.47 | fliplap | screw a UI |
| 05:49.50 | treke|home | maybe the author didnt want a gui? |
| 05:49.51 | fliplap | there is one |
| 05:49.55 | fliplap | but i don't need it |
| 05:50.02 | fliplap | i like being able to script the this |
| 05:50.03 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: dude, what is wrong with the command line? this IS unix |
| 05:50.11 | fliplap | s/this/shit/ |
| 05:50.14 | NeoTron | and frankly, I rather have a command line client than nothing |
| 05:50.32 | NeoTron | fliplap: right, I have a script which rips a dvd and 3-pass encodes it to divx |
| 05:50.35 | Com[Plex] | this is my biggest complaint about linux apps. it seems like there is all this grand effort to start things, and no follow through. |
| 05:50.51 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: huh? You follow through and and make a UI then |
| 05:50.57 | treke|home | Com[Plex]: Uhm how is writing a command line app no follow through? |
| 05:50.59 | NeoTron | the tool is fully functional and easy to use |
| 05:51.07 | Com[Plex] | its like going out to buy a brand new lexus, and getting it without leather seats, or a body at all for that matter |
| 05:51.14 | treke|home | Not everyone wants a GUI, those who want one can write one |
| 05:51.16 | fliplap | NeoTron: heh, nod, i just took out the pass= in that command, i do 2 pass when i do my TV episodes |
| 05:51.20 | Com[Plex] | haha |
| 05:51.21 | treke|home | those who dont can use the tool as written |
| 05:51.24 | NeoTron | ahnd frankly, they programmers migh have sucky attitudes, bue without htem video on linux would be much more abyssal |
| 05:51.27 | raceme[away] | don't you know video::dvdrip and transcode ? |
| 05:51.35 | fliplap | Com[Plex]: quit your f'n complaining there IS A GUI |
| 05:51.37 | Com[Plex] | "not everyone wants a body on there lexus. if you want one, why dont you make one?" |
| 05:51.41 | fliplap | Com[Plex]: http://freshmeat.net/projects/gmencoder/?topic_id=1009%2C127 |
| 05:51.45 | fliplap | are you done now? |
| 05:51.48 | Wintre | Com[Plex] Basically. |
| 05:51.50 | Com[Plex] | haha |
| 05:51.54 | treke|home | Com[Plex]: not really |
| 05:51.54 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: the difference is, you PAY for the lexus and a whole lot at that |
| 05:52.02 | fliplap | no kidding |
| 05:52.16 | NeoTron | fliplap: cool, mencoder frontend. :P |
| 05:52.26 | treke|home | Com[Plex]: A command line interface and a graphical user inteface are just two different implementations of the same thing. |
| 05:52.30 | fliplap | maybe they think if they spend all the time writing thousands of lines of code that you can take 15 minutes to read the bloody man page |
| 05:52.56 | treke|home | Com[Plex]: For some people one is more preferably than the others, but lacking one doesnt make it an incomplete application |
| 05:53.02 | fliplap | personally i find command line easier, i can scan through the info faster, without having to click through 15 tabs |
| 05:53.30 | treke|home | no more so than openoffice is incomplete because it doesnt work from the command line |
| 05:53.35 | NeoTron | and it's an especially moot point since there apparently is a (at least on) ui for it |
| 05:53.46 | Com[Plex] | I disagree. I beleive that many of the apsp out there are incomplete. - not ALL are incomplete as cmd line only apps, but a whole lot of them are |
| 05:54.01 | fliplap | same with windows |
| 05:54.04 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: again, people don't do this for profit |
| 05:54.14 | NeoTron | and yes, some apps are incomplete but alas, such is open source |
| 05:54.24 | NeoTron | it doesn't pay so normal people can't prioritize it too high |
| 05:54.25 | fliplap | you're just so awash in a see of crap and shareware that you don't see just how incomplete most of them are |
| 05:54.33 | Com[Plex] | well I think weve kind of changed the topic here away from mencoder, and onto the opinion of the topic anwyay |
| 05:54.37 | NeoTron | given that, there's amazing software out there |
| 05:54.49 | raceme[away] | video::dvdrip is a gtk frontend which allow to rip, decode, resize, select subtitles and audio, encode even with cluster mode, and burn at the end if you want ! so you could use that if you don't want to use command line for encoding divx ! |
| 05:55.13 | fliplap | there ya go, not only is there a GUI for mencoder...there's TWO of them |
| 05:55.34 | NeoTron | anyhow, as an operator I declare this a religious battle which now should be termianted or moved somewhere else |
| 05:55.36 | fliplap | AcidRip is another one |
| 05:55.52 | fliplap | and then there's Kmencoder |
| 05:56.09 | NeoTron | E O T! :) |
| 05:56.19 | Com[Plex] | anyway, here is another matter of opinion. - when I start a project, i finish it. if I were writing apps, I would write them with a gui. thats just me. obviously there are [people who dont follow that standard, or who are just comfortable with looking at wireframes instead of cgi |
| 05:56.32 | raceme[away] | but video::dvdrip use transcode instead of mencoder; but i think there was plan to use both of them but i didn't check from a while |
| 05:56.34 | fliplap | they consider them finished |
| 05:56.40 | Com[Plex] | hehe. okay. |
| 05:56.45 | fliplap | so do i |
| 05:57.13 | fliplap | raceme[away]: gotcha, so really there's only 3 graphical mencoder frontends, my bad |
| 05:58.07 | Wintre | Indeed, given the nature of traditional Unix tools, a GUI has very little to do with "completeness" |
| 05:58.36 | NeoTron | ¡¡¡ENOUGH!!! |
| 05:58.48 | Com[Plex] | OMG¡¡¡ |
| 05:58.54 | Com[Plex] | hehe. |
| 05:58.56 | fliplap | so, how about the Zaurus, that thing's really somthing eh? |
| 05:58.59 | Wintre | neotron: Who said you get to decide the topics of discussion? |
| 05:59.00 | Com[Plex] | so. how about that local sports team? |
| 05:59.16 | Com[Plex] | @NeoTron |
| 05:59.18 | Com[Plex] | thats how |
| 05:59.23 | raceme[away] | Wintre: perhaps because he's op ? :) |
| 05:59.40 | treke|home | respect my authoritah! |
| 06:00.02 | fliplap | you guys say it like its a status symbol, heh |
| 06:00.18 | treke|home | fliplap: nah its more that we dont want to get banned |
| 06:00.34 | treke|home | fear and respect are more or less interchangable |
| 06:00.38 | fliplap | why would you get banned? |
| 06:00.44 | Com[Plex] | yeah, basically, we could think he was a total dick, but he could also ban us for fun adn we would have zero say. |
| 06:00.48 | Com[Plex] | hehe. |
| 06:00.50 | NeoTron | Wintre: I do |
| 06:00.51 | fliplap | you have a different opinion, thats ok |
| 06:01.02 | Com[Plex] | :) but I think neo is cool.. |
| 06:01.09 | Com[Plex] | mkdir /mnt/unf; mount -t sxfs /dev/NeoTron /mnt/unf |
| 06:01.17 | Com[Plex] | you guys watching the news? |
| 06:01.26 | NeoTron | seriously, it really isn't that of a valid topic and if you do want to continue talking about it which is fine, create a new channel for it |
| 06:01.40 | fliplap | there already is one |
| 06:01.42 | *** kick/#zaurus [Wintre!~neotron@12-208-181-224.client.attbi.com] by NeoTron (This is why by the way. ;-)) |
| 06:01.42 | *** join/#zaurus Wintre (mike@pavonis.waspfactory.org) |
| 06:01.46 | fliplap | #trolling |
| 06:02.00 | fliplap | btw, does freenode have an ipv6 server? |
| 06:02.16 | NeoTron | I know it used to at least |
| 06:03.03 | NeoTron | ok, what should I work on. 1) Main menu, 2) Some special effects when block explode, 3) more UI widgets |
| 06:03.06 | fliplap | eh, no biggie, i don't care that much |
| 06:03.16 | fliplap | what project is this? |
| 06:03.27 | NeoTron | my game. :P |
| 06:03.44 | fliplap | well, are you impressing me, or people who care about pretty stuff? |
| 06:03.57 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/tmp/shot5.png |
| 06:04.14 | NeoTron | well, It'll all be done, just a matter of priority |
| 06:04.23 | NeoTron | I think I'll hack the menu |
| 06:04.37 | fliplap | cause if its me, the main menu, otherwise people always like stuff the explodes |
| 06:05.00 | NeoTron | stuff already explodes in a shower of, well, little pixels |
| 06:05.05 | raceme[away] | what is the game type ? |
| 06:05.07 | fliplap | heh |
| 06:05.24 | fliplap | looks like tetris to me |
| 06:05.34 | mutexer | I wish I could get SDL working correctly with wav files |
| 06:05.35 | fliplap | NeoTron: pause function, pause is key |
| 06:05.40 | Com[Plex] | oooh.. |
| 06:05.50 | Com[Plex] | hah, well said flip! |
| 06:05.58 | raceme[away] | if this is a tetris-like game block must burn and explode :) |
| 06:06.04 | fliplap | NeoTron: that drives me nuts about so many handheld games, for some reason they don't have pause |
| 06:06.06 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/tmp/game.avi |
| 06:06.23 | fliplap | and occasionally i have to talk to someone at work, or answer a ringing phone |
| 06:07.05 | Com[Plex] | holy shit neo |
| 06:07.16 | Com[Plex] | was that Sped up for the video? or was it really that fast? |
| 06:07.17 | fliplap | i take it this will be a commercial game? |
| 06:07.28 | fliplap | sped up obviously |
| 06:07.43 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: IT takes a snapshot each time I update the frame. When nothing is exploding etc, no updates so it's sped up |
| 06:07.46 | NeoTron | but not explicedly |
| 06:07.55 | Com[Plex] | obviously you never played gameboy tetris back in 1990. |
| 06:07.56 | NeoTron | fliplap: yes |
| 06:08.14 | NeoTron | I've seen someone play tetris, japanese tetris tournament, and he was _faster_ than that |
| 06:08.14 | Com[Plex] | hehe, it was Faaaaaaasst up around level 16-20 |
| 06:08.18 | mutexer | cool effect |
| 06:08.49 | fliplap | what is that based on? SDL? |
| 06:08.53 | NeoTron | and yes, it'll have pause and if you quit it'll save |
| 06:09.00 | NeoTron | fliplap: well, currently it's the only backend |
| 06:09.02 | Com[Plex] | joo write this yoruself neo? nice work man |
| 06:09.11 | NeoTron | the engine is my own, blitting built on warmi's zsurface |
| 06:09.21 | Com[Plex] | - so uh. hwo many oengames would you give me in trade for a zaurus? :> |
| 06:09.23 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: yes, except the asm blitting stuff of warmi. :P |
| 06:09.31 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: whatever you wish |
| 06:09.51 | Com[Plex] | nice :> now im really tempted |
| 06:09.51 | fliplap | mmmm splitty |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus kergoth`bbl (~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus oGMo (~rpav@208.187.9.99) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus ljp_tv (~ljp@tz0193.peakpeak.com) |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus kurre (~kurre@ncircle.nullnet.fi) |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus warmi (~www@dsl092-131-081.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus zwelch (~kumquat@fluffy.superlucidity.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus SirPsycho-home (~sirpsycho@adsl-65-71-56-244.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus bipolar_away (~bflong@24.229.103.140) |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus Twiun[away] (~twiun@adorphuye.com) |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus mr_science (~sarnold@64.136.145.171) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus brent (~brent@statecollegecable-64-178-105-187.ceinetworks.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus Neo|Away (~neotron@207.188.30.40) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus _Titeuf (~Titeuf@2m01.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.57 | *** join/#zaurus raceme[away] (~tof@abidos.raceme.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus yeiaway (~yeiazel@home.yeiazel.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus bul|zZzZzZ (~buliwyf@p508C42CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus treke|home (~ggilbert@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-064-239.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus nichos (none@52.44.33.65.cfl.rr.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus Neo|Laptop (~neotron@12-208-181-224.client.attbi.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus hardwire (~hardwire@12-252-5-124.client.attbi.com) |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus Pendalar (Pendalar@68.114.150.55) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus darienm (~darien@205.243.147.8) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus darius_ (~darius@207-229-76-140.cortland.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus ciaolinux (~ciaolinux@MSTU83.CIMS.NYU.EDU) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus SirPsycho-work (~SirPsycho@209.36.182.182) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus gabe (gabe@rootdown.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus weatherbot (~weatherbo@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 06:09.58 | *** join/#zaurus mashi (~bubsy@jupiter.utopia.net) |
| 06:09.58 | *** mode/#zaurus [+oo kergoth`bbl Neo|Laptop] by leguin.freenode.net |
| 06:09.58 | *** mode/#zaurus [-o kergoth`bbl] by ChanServ |
| 06:10.06 | fliplap | weeee |
| 06:10.07 | Com[Plex] | is it okay if its a little beat up? |
| 06:10.07 | Com[Plex] | is it okay if its a little beat up? |
| 06:10.10 | Com[Plex] | heheh |
| 06:10.16 | Com[Plex] | and blue? |
| 06:10.18 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 06:10.20 | NeoTron | uh, yes, of course. :) as long as it's actually functional |
| 06:10.30 | Com[Plex] | its 100% functional. has good battery too. |
| 06:10.33 | NeoTron | ah yes you're the one who modded it. :) |
| 06:10.37 | Com[Plex] | yup |
| 06:10.47 | fliplap | freaky |
| 06:11.39 | Com[Plex] | when I sent it in to sharp to get it reflashed, all I could think was the look on the guys face who opened it up. |
| 06:12.01 | fliplap | you sent it to sharp to get it reflashed? |
| 06:12.32 | Com[Plex] | yup. I had a CF card die mid flash. I MIGHT have bneen able to get it back, buit I didnt have another CF card |
| 06:13.08 | fliplap | suck |
| 06:13.15 | Com[Plex] | so after trying to flash 100 times, I send it in to sharp. they replaced something inside according to the workup sheet for it. and sent it back really quick. - the funny thing was, that I shipped it UPS. abnd they lost it |
| 06:13.46 | NeoTron | UPS lost it? |
| 06:13.47 | Com[Plex] | not too sucky. I called tech support to ask them how much it would cost for repair, and they were like "theres no charge for that. heres where you send it" |
| 06:13.58 | NeoTron | dude, fedex I think delivered 1 GB of memory of mine to the wrong place once |
| 06:14.00 | NeoTron | that was fun |
| 06:14.16 | NeoTron | the memory place just resent it which was nice (and then I guess they bitchslap Fedex rather) |
| 06:14.39 | raceme[away] | NeoTron: you could have screamed over tom hanks ! :) |
| 06:14.58 | NeoTron | hah |
| 06:15.00 | Com[Plex] | yeah, UPS lost it, I send it like, express or soemthing, then the package was late, and I called and bitched a bunch of times that it was late, and they zaid it was on the truck, PROMISED me it would be delivered THAT day, - then that day would go by, and I would call them again, "why is it still on the truck??" |
| 06:15.07 | NeoTron | well, they DID deliver it, just not to us |
| 06:15.35 | Com[Plex] | anyway, after two weeks of this. ups promises to mail me a check for the insurance on the item, wich was only 100$. |
| 06:16.07 | Com[Plex] | that day, I called sharp to find out if they had it, and they were like "yeah, we got it, its on the bench right now. will be a few days" |
| 06:16.18 | Com[Plex] | the NEXT DAY, it arrives at my door, Fedex |
| 06:16.33 | Com[Plex] | two months later I get a check from UPS for 107$ |
| 06:16.34 | Com[Plex] | haha |
| 06:17.19 | NeoTron | haha |
| 06:17.19 | NeoTron | dude, not a bad deal after all eh? |
| 06:17.29 | Com[Plex] | nope. jsut a lot of stress. |
| 06:18.14 | fliplap | they provide more services than the USPS |
| 06:18.14 | Com[Plex] | yes. USPS |
| 06:18.25 | Com[Plex] | like guaranteed delivery. etc |
| 06:18.33 | fliplap | and pickup |
| 06:18.39 | Com[Plex] | as well as Very accurate tracking info |
| 06:18.43 | fliplap | nod |
| 06:18.49 | fliplap | the usps tracking sucks ass |
| 06:19.00 | raceme[away] | ok i see |
| 06:19.23 | fliplap | is completely useless, thier tracking said waiting to ship until the day after i got my Z |
| 06:20.51 | raceme[away] | time for the great underground trip... "normal traffic over all the network" i love this sentence :) |
| 06:21.02 | Com[Plex] | I dont ship UPS if I can avoid it. whenever I Mail somthing, I use USPS, but sharp sauid I had to ship it UPS or fedex |
| 06:21.18 | Com[Plex] | and I didnt have a fedex account, so I shipped it from USP at the center at Staples |
| 06:24.28 | NeoTron | I've had a lot more luck with fedex than ups |
| 06:24.52 | fliplap | i still use USPS cause its cheaper |
| 06:25.10 | NeoTron | Time to reboot to switch vid cards |
| 06:25.50 | *** join/#zaurus darmou (~darmou@dyn40.mel1.homedsl.pacific.net.au) |
| 06:25.57 | NeoTron | but first to download the newest nvidia drivers |
| 06:27.23 | NeoTron | bbiab |
| 06:33.39 | *** join/#zaurus lsmith (~vandal@p213.54.201.163.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 06:38.49 | *** join/#zaurus NeoTron (~neotron@12-208-181-224.client.attbi.com) |
| 06:38.49 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o NeoTron] by ChanServ |
| 06:38.55 | darmou | sharp rom sucks bad, when it crashes it is not easily recoverable:( |
| 06:39.10 | Com[Plex] | hehehe |
| 06:48.23 | *** join/#zaurus masticator (~masticato@ool-43512bbd.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 06:54.20 | NeoTron | so I think I decided to isntead work on getting it ot compile on windows. :P |
| 06:57.33 | *** join/#zaurus frankps (~fsilye@maccie.uio.no) |
| 06:57.40 | frankps | hi all :-) |
| 07:00.50 | Wintre | God mor'n |
| 07:03.15 | *** join/#zaurus kolla (~kolla@drift3.uninett.no) |
| 07:08.55 | *** join/#zaurus wParam (~dfgergh@pcp04455pcs.bowie01.md.comcast.net) |
| 07:11.40 | frankps | Så tidlig Wintre!!! |
| 07:14.39 | kolla | morn |
| 07:16.32 | frankps | heisann |
| 07:18.06 | NeoTron | Norsk invasion! Eeek |
| 07:18.34 | kolla | :) |
| 07:21.07 | frankps | Ha-ha |
| 07:21.25 | frankps | Yep, we are about to take over this channel |
| 07:26.02 | *** join/#zaurus Sugar (~neotron@207.188.30.40) |
| 07:28.35 | *** part/#zaurus noidd (~red@217.169.29.101) |
| 07:30.57 | omoore | question about the z.. does the java env support jdbc? |
| 07:33.35 | Com[Plex] | jdbc ? |
| 07:35.11 | Wintre | frankps: Morgenvakt |
| 07:35.23 | *** join/#zaurus Sugar (~neotron@207.188.30.40) |
| 07:35.25 | NeoTron | hrm |
| 07:35.59 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o masticator] by ChanServ |
| 07:36.31 | frankps | huff da. Hvordan kan noen være så onde mot deg Wintre |
| 07:37.14 | Wintre | Jeg vet ikke! |
| 07:40.32 | *** join/#zaurus HeatxSink (~bigboy455@hsa055.pool019.at101.earthlink.net) |
| 07:42.03 | *** join/#zaurus duplexer_wifi (~GMF@user-2iverau.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 07:42.30 | HeatxSink | hi duplexer_wifi |
| 07:42.34 | *** join/#zaurus stmpynode (cnaude@vdsl-130-13-135-92.phnx.uswest.net) |
| 07:42.43 | stmpynode | hello |
| 07:43.10 | duplexer_wifi | HeatxSink, stmpynode, hello :) |
| 07:44.31 | HeatxSink | sup |
| 07:44.40 | HeatxSink | having problems with my Open Zaurus Configuration |
| 07:45.59 | *** join/#zaurus Taim (~taim@12-226-34-51.client.attbi.com) |
| 07:47.18 | *** part/#zaurus HeatxSink (~bigboy455@hsa055.pool019.at101.earthlink.net) |
| 07:59.23 | djr|z | hmm |
| 08:00.19 | stmpynode | i'm pretty new to cross compiling stuff and i've run into a problem |
| 08:00.31 | stmpynode | i can't seem to get my compiler to use a different path for shared libraries |
| 08:01.31 | stmpynode | i tried using '-Wl,rpath-link=/opt/lib' in the Makefile but it keep defaulting to the system lib path |
| 08:01.53 | stmpynode | err actually '-Wl,-rpath-link=/opt/lib' |
| 08:04.35 | duplexer_wifi | djr|z, hello |
| 08:06.20 | djr|z | yo |
| 08:10.42 | duplexer_wifi | Sync'ing wirelessly now. |
| 08:11.51 | kendrick | http://www.3dnews.ru/documents/news3/20030305_fueltosh_01.jpg |
| 08:12.29 | kolla | fuel celle powered? :) |
| 08:13.37 | djr|z | you can sync via wireless? ehehe |
| 08:13.42 | duplexer_wifi | Can't read the text. |
| 08:13.47 | djr|z | i still just toss it on the cradle |
| 08:14.01 | duplexer_wifi | djr|z, yes. |
| 08:14.02 | duplexer_wifi | You use Windows? |
| 08:14.07 | djr|z | yep |
| 08:14.17 | duplexer_wifi | To do the syncing. I only have Linux machines. |
| 08:14.22 | djr|z | hehe |
| 08:14.25 | djr|z | i have a mix |
| 08:14.38 | djr|z | but my main desktop is windows |
| 08:14.42 | duplexer_wifi | One Linux Desktop, one notebook, one Linux PDA :))) |
| 08:14.48 | kendrick | <ace22b> just a prototype fulecell thingie demonstrated at some computer show |
| 08:15.36 | duplexer_wifi | Now I just need more of all of the above! |
| 08:15.43 | djr|z | i have a couple linux boxes... that mostly do nothing... the rest are a bunch of fbsd servers... one nbsd workstation... and some xp desktops |
| 08:15.59 | duplexer_wifi | Hmm...XP... |
| 08:16.02 | duplexer_wifi | sucks |
| 08:16.06 | djr|z | why? |
| 08:16.08 | duplexer_wifi | sorry :* |
| 08:16.28 | djr|z | i love it... its fast and stable... the best and most solid windows yet |
| 08:16.31 | djr|z | ;) |
| 08:16.32 | duplexer_wifi | I don't use anything windows. |
| 08:16.47 | duplexer_wifi | I don't hate it, just dislike it. |
| 08:17.00 | djr|z | heh... sorry... i use what has support and software ;) |
| 08:17.09 | djr|z | cant really say that about linux |
| 08:17.11 | djr|z | hehe |
| 08:17.16 | kendrick | that's why i use linux :) |
| 08:17.27 | kendrick | i have all the support i need, and more software than i need :) |
| 08:17.41 | kendrick | ditto for my wife :) |
| 08:17.52 | djr|z | linux has 1/1000 of the software... and what support? theres barely any commercial products |
| 08:17.57 | kendrick | 'cept she doesn't like when i go in and run apt-get update when she's messing around on blogs & forums :) |
| 08:18.09 | kendrick | 1/1000 of what software? |
| 08:18.11 | duplexer_wifi | hehe, yes. The more the merrier! More beautiful Linux boxes streaming, and connecting :) |
| 08:18.21 | kendrick | i use more software on my linux box than i ever did on any windows or mac boxes... |
| 08:18.25 | djr|z | theres no similar or comparable software for linux that i use |
| 08:18.34 | kendrick | simply because the software that I WOULD have wanted cost $100s of dollars |
| 08:18.43 | kendrick | well, that's you |
| 08:18.46 | kendrick | this is me |
| 08:18.56 | kendrick | (i wish people would figure this shit out! :^( ) |
| 08:19.00 | djr|z | i try to use it as a desktop... but for what i do... theres either no similar software or none at all |
| 08:19.07 | duplexer_wifi | Yes, if I was using windows I wouldn't have a notebook or a pda djr|z. |
| 08:19.12 | djr|z | and... the fact is not just about me |
| 08:19.16 | kendrick | well, that's why, if you're desparate, you use WINE, Win4Lin, VMWARE or CrossOver |
| 08:19.32 | djr|z | its that IF you wanted certain software... windows has it... definately... |
| 08:19.41 | djr|z | cant say the same for linux |
| 08:20.03 | duplexer_wifi | Indeed, good options . . . and they work . . . djr|z . . . you should try them . . . :) |
| 08:20.04 | kendrick | i do want certain software... and i have it |
| 08:20.09 | kendrick | maybe i'm not understanding your sentence |
| 08:20.23 | kendrick | now i'm curious, what kind of software do you need that you can't get for linux? |
| 08:20.49 | kendrick | even more important... software that you can't get for linux, AND can't run under Wine/VMWare/Win4Lin/etc.? |
| 08:21.11 | djr|z | find me something similar to... soundforge... photoshop... GAMES... etc |
| 08:21.40 | djr|z | gimp? heh... it cant even do 1% of what photoshop can |
| 08:21.47 | kendrick | it does 200% of what i need to do |
| 08:21.54 | kendrick | it does 300% of what my wife needs to do |
| 08:22.11 | kendrick | i also can't afford the multi-hundred-dollar pricetag for photoshop |
| 08:22.20 | djr|z | the fact that you and your wife have simple needs... dont help someone who has more needs |
| 08:22.23 | kendrick | oh sure, i could pirate like some of my friends have done... |
| 08:22.38 | djr|z | you tend to what people need... not to simple people |
| 08:22.40 | djr|z | ;) |
| 08:22.42 | NeoTron | yay, my engine works on windows. :P |
| 08:22.43 | kendrick | and the fact that some people have special needs doesn't mean we should all use atari 8-bits for our heart monitors |
| 08:23.19 | NeoTron | well, the image loader app works. :P |
| 08:23.29 | kendrick | i bet i could replace windows with linux for 150 out of the 200 people who attend the local PC user group each month |
| 08:23.40 | djr|z | the fact remains that theres more support and software for windows... that was my point... and i dont see how you can argue with it |
| 08:23.50 | kendrick | 99.9% of the people out there have fewer needs than even my wife |
| 08:24.29 | kendrick | you were kind of implying it had no support or software (relatively speaking) |
| 08:24.29 | duplexer_wifi | kendrick, some people just can't see how to get everything done on Windows. Those people will never try. |
| 08:24.38 | kendrick | i'm president of a nearly 400-member Linux User Grou |
| 08:24.48 | kendrick | if i had a question about a PC, i'd get an answer in about 5 minutes on the mailing list |
| 08:24.50 | duplexer_wifi | kendrick, some people just can't see how to get everything done on Linux. Those people will never try. |
| 08:24.53 | duplexer_wifi | doh |
| 08:25.01 | djr|z | see... i stick to bsd for servers cause it just does it better than linux... and i use windows because its what has software, support, and its great for lazy people |
| 08:25.05 | kendrick | if i were to wait for one of the PC user group meetings, they'd probably end up answering it, eventually, in their monthly newsletter... 4 weeks later |
| 08:25.58 | kendrick | i have an incredible amount of support, compared to what i had when i had to use macs at my college, and windows95 on my roommate's PC |
| 08:26.12 | djr|z | hehe... thats local group support... let me see you go to any business and ask for support on linux |
| 08:26.15 | kendrick | plus, i can do a SHITload more... and have been able to ever since i got my first PC in 1998 and installed RedHat 5.1 on it :) |
| 08:26.31 | kendrick | djr|z - interesting you mention that. Oracle is coming to speak at my LUG on the 21st :) |
| 08:26.35 | kendrick | And IBM is coming on May 6th |
| 08:26.58 | kendrick | I just e-mailed a company today, thanking them for supporting the Zaurus with their newfangled foldy-keyboard |
| 08:27.10 | djr|z | two businesses... what about smaller companies... think of all the thousands of companies |
| 08:27.25 | kendrick | what companies have i ever dealt with while using Linux!? |
| 08:27.29 | kendrick | let's see... |
| 08:27.41 | kendrick | Loki, Vatical, ... umm... |
| 08:27.50 | kendrick | other than buying stuff from them, noone, that i can think of :^/ |
| 08:27.58 | kendrick | i guess Eon Games (hi Neo :) ) |
| 08:27.59 | djr|z | youre missing the whole point... windows has more software and support |
| 08:28.07 | kendrick | so? |
| 08:28.13 | kendrick | why should that stop anyone from using it? |
| 08:28.14 | djr|z | omg |
| 08:28.28 | kendrick | Palm has more software and support than any other PDA |
| 08:28.37 | djr|z | i never said anything about anyone NOT using it |
| 08:28.37 | kendrick | But when I got my Zaurus, I retired my Palm. It was out-moded by the Zaurus. |
| 08:28.37 | duplexer_wifi | It's cool, I can sync down the block :) |
| 08:28.45 | kendrick | duplexer_wifi: hahaha |
| 08:28.59 | djr|z | my whole point from the start is that windows has more software and support |
| 08:29.01 | kendrick | well then what's your point? |
| 08:29.07 | kendrick | well... so? |
| 08:29.15 | duplexer_wifi | Yes, having Linux on makes for a powerful beast! |
| 08:29.16 | kendrick | i mean, macs run on powerpcs... |
| 08:29.37 | kendrick | more cars run on gas than on magic beans. :^) |
| 08:29.52 | djr|z | so... i was saying i use windows because it has more software and support |
| 08:29.54 | kendrick | i guess maybe you're just stating a fact... you kind of sounded like you were implying something |
| 08:30.08 | djr|z | i dunno why you two started an argument over it |
| 08:30.16 | djr|z | so dont question me why |
| 08:30.20 | kendrick | well, then, i apologize :^) |
| 08:30.23 | djr|z | hehe |
| 08:30.36 | kendrick | god, i hope i'm not turning into RMS |
| 08:30.41 | kendrick | o/~ free the software o/~ |
| 08:30.42 | KhensU | nah |
| 08:31.01 | kendrick | i spend most of my free time running a LUG, so i'm _constantly_ evangelizing Linux |
| 08:31.11 | djr|z | i dont believe in free open source software, hehe |
| 08:31.20 | kendrick | i'm usually not nearly as argumentative, since i have to be friendly. :^) so maybe i just jumped on you. sorry :) |
| 08:31.21 | djr|z | i believe in just plain freedom |
| 08:31.34 | djr|z | BSD license for my software |
| 08:31.35 | kendrick | hehe... you don't believe eh? |
| 08:31.39 | kendrick | well it DOES EXIST! ;) |
| 08:31.47 | kendrick | (kinda like "i don't believe in ghosts"... oh, nevermind.... stupid joke) |
| 08:32.04 | djr|z | of course... i like free open source software |
| 08:32.22 | kendrick | i always get annoyed when BSD folks scoff at our Linux user group |
| 08:32.31 | djr|z | i just think people should have a choice of open source or closed source or free or commercial |
| 08:32.38 | kendrick | ok, so we called it a "Linux" User Group. Sorry! It's not like we say "No BSD users allowed, suckaz!" |
| 08:32.49 | djr|z | where GPL is a virus that forces software open source |
| 08:32.50 | djr|z | hehe |
| 08:33.14 | djr|z | this has nothing to do with BSD or Linux |
| 08:33.15 | kendrick | hehe... i GPL my stuff because i want to be able to take advantage of other people's changes :) |
| 08:33.22 | djr|z | this is about licences |
| 08:33.23 | djr|z | hehe |
| 08:33.42 | djr|z | you can replace the BSD license with MIT if you prefer |
| 08:33.47 | kendrick | true, true :) |
| 08:33.52 | djr|z | theyre pretty much similar |
| 08:35.23 | djr|z | i dont mind if people take my source... change it, close the source, and sell it |
| 08:36.10 | djr|z | the fact is that im lazy... one i release it... its probably gonna stay that way... if someone wants to work on it oe contribute to it... thats up to them |
| 08:36.12 | kendrick | i do... but that's just me :) |
| 08:36.13 | djr|z | hehe |
| 08:36.22 | djr|z | s/one/once |
| 08:37.27 | djr|z | i also like the fact that i can burn fbsd to a cd and legally sell it for pure profit to friends and businesses ;) |
| 08:37.31 | djr|z | ehehe |
| 08:37.52 | kendrick | you can do that with GPL |
| 08:39.37 | *** join/#zaurus duplexer_wifi (~GMF@user-uiveqsh.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 08:40.30 | djr|z | yeah... but theres more behind it than just that... |
| 08:41.52 | NeoTron | oh, how the fsck do you choose what runtime library to link with? hmm |
| 08:41.59 | kendrick | hrm? |
| 08:42.46 | NeoTron | you know, threaded runtime, non-threaded, debug, non-debug... |
| 08:42.51 | NeoTron | when you have a mismatch it fails |
| 08:43.51 | NeoTron | the msvcrt lib stuff |
| 08:45.19 | kendrick | beyond me :^) sorry |
| 08:46.06 | NeoTron | found it |
| 08:47.04 | kendrick | sorry for being so argumentative djr|z :) |
| 08:47.16 | kendrick | i guess i'm feeling kinda stressed & inadequate lately... stupid worldcom layoffs back in february >:^( |
| 08:48.03 | djr|z | its ok... im used to it right now... gf just started period today |
| 08:48.09 | kendrick | hehehe :) |
| 08:48.13 | djr|z | 1 week of hell counting down |
| 08:48.21 | kendrick | shouldn't it be over by this point? :) |
| 08:48.35 | kendrick | anyway - gnite :) |
| 08:48.48 | djr|z | hehe |
| 08:48.50 | djr|z | night |
| 08:55.48 | djr|z | 2am... hmm |
| 08:59.25 | *** join/#zaurus Wintre (mike@pavonis.waspfactory.org) |
| 09:00.37 | duplexer_wifi | doh, is there any good jabber IM clients? |
| 09:01.11 | *** join/#zaurus darmou (~darmou@dyn40.mel1.homedsl.pacific.net.au) |
| 09:01.14 | duplexer_wifi | I found one AOL one, and an MSN one. I would love me a jabber one though. One I don't have to pay for, preferably. |
| 09:09.25 | *** join/#zaurus djr_ (dj@inexistent-pt.tunnel.tserv1.fmt.ipv6.he.net) |
| 09:12.07 | *** join/#zaurus buliwyf (~buliwyf@p508C4465.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:14.39 | djr | hmmm |
| 09:14.39 | djr | http://freshmeat.net/projects/discoverer/?topic_id=20%2C43%2C906%2C152%2C253 |
| 09:14.42 | djr | anyone checked that out? |
| 09:18.38 | duplexer_wifi | yes. |
| 09:19.45 | djr | how is it? |
| 09:19.52 | duplexer_wifi | Don't use it. |
| 09:20.10 | duplexer_wifi | Found better. A more hacker like program. |
| 09:20.35 | duplexer_wifi | I can tell you, discover is easier. Good way to go. |
| 09:21.21 | djr | which you use? |
| 09:25.07 | duplexer_wifi | first, give me money for the new zaurus coming out. |
| 09:25.26 | Wintre | djr: kismet on the Z seems pretty capable |
| 09:26.05 | duplexer_wifi | give me money! |
| 09:31.53 | *** join/#zaurus mark (~mark@s.westcott.freeuk.com) |
| 09:36.19 | *** join/#zaurus jshare (~trillian@dsl093-128-017.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 10:04.02 | *** join/#zaurus djr (dj@inexistent-pt.tunnel.tserv1.fmt.ipv6.he.net) |
| 10:30.19 | *** join/#zaurus ak (~ak@port-212-202-175-109.reverse.qdsl-home.de) |
| 10:33.28 | *** join/#zaurus gnagna__ (~ak@port-212-202-175-109.reverse.qdsl-home.de) |
| 11:07.45 | *** join/#zaurus `Leaves (Leif@d141-185-136.home.cgocable.net) |
| 11:09.30 | Twiun | afternoon everyone |
| 11:10.41 | *** part/#zaurus gnagna__ (~ak@port-212-202-175-109.reverse.qdsl-home.de) |
| 11:19.24 | *** join/#zaurus darmou (~darmou@dyn40.mel1.homedsl.pacific.net.au) |
| 11:19.39 | mark | hi Twiun |
| 11:20.12 | Twiun | mark: read todays BOFH yet? |
| 11:20.53 | mark | Twiun: with the laptop? yeah |
| 11:21.18 | Twiun | mark: absolutely priceless :) |
| 11:23.47 | mark | hehe |
| 11:23.51 | mark | yeah :) |
| 11:24.20 | Twiun | this one was very topical I thought :) |
| 11:24.34 | *** join/#zaurus lsmith (~vandal@pD9E77CC5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:25.32 | George`AFK | hey mashi |
| 11:25.33 | George`AFK | er.. |
| 11:25.34 | George`AFK | mark |
| 11:25.59 | mark | George-: do my maths revision for me |
| 11:29.58 | George- | no |
| 11:32.26 | mark | aww |
| 11:32.31 | mark | i've got 6 modules to revise for :( |
| 11:32.53 | George- | I've got a GCSE to revise for |
| 11:32.56 | George- | ***Boring*** |
| 11:33.15 | mark | so |
| 11:33.49 | mark | GCSEs == easy |
| 11:33.52 | George- | yeh |
| 11:33.53 | George- | I know ;) |
| 11:33.57 | George- | hence why it's boring |
| 11:35.10 | mark | George-: thats why i did no revision and did crap :) |
| 11:35.47 | George- | mark: heh |
| 11:35.52 | George- | mark: I intend to get straight A*s |
| 11:36.19 | mark | George-: so did I |
| 11:36.20 | *** join/#zaurus mithro (~tim@dsl1-83.gw1.adl1.airnet.com.au) |
| 12:04.29 | George- | wth is a "Workstation class" graphics card? |
| 12:04.43 | George- | What's the difference between say, the FireGL, and the Radeon? |
| 12:04.53 | George- | or the Quadro and the GeForce |
| 12:07.35 | lsmith | main difference is in the drivers i guess |
| 12:07.59 | lsmith | and usually they use the best chips they are able to produce to tweak the mhz |
| 12:09.44 | George- | which one? |
| 12:19.57 | *** join/#zaurus ljp (~ljp@206.168.3.150) |
| 12:22.24 | yeiazel | maybe the quality of the RAMDAC too |
| 12:22.40 | yeiazel | and other "details"... |
| 12:24.27 | *** join/#zaurus darmou (~darmou@dyn40.mel1.homedsl.pacific.net.au) |
| 12:38.29 | *** join/#zaurus jaku (~jkau@host129-77.pool81115.interbusiness.it) |
| 13:17.47 | *** join/#zaurus frankps (~fsilye@maccie.uio.no) |
| 13:56.11 | *** join/#zaurus Aimio (~Aimio2@adsl-189-145.iomart.com) |
| 13:56.26 | *** part/#zaurus Aimio (~Aimio2@adsl-189-145.iomart.com) |
| 13:59.46 | *** join/#zaurus mandrake (~mandrake@pipe.cepstral.com) |
| 13:59.56 | *** join/#zaurus warmi (~a3c01504@dsl092-131-081.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 14:01.36 | warmi | hi |
| 14:01.51 | *** join/#zaurus mark (~mark@s.westcott.freeuk.com) |
| 14:02.05 | mark | George-: Error accessing memory address 0x4000af50: Input/output error. with gdb. any ideas? |
| 14:03.22 | *** part/#zaurus mandrake (~mandrake@pipe.cepstral.com) |
| 14:10.51 | *** join/#zaurus sieve (~klu5ter@12.148.134.9) |
| 14:17.31 | *** join/#zaurus cwaig (~cg2@adsl-195-184-237-106.mistral-uk.net) |
| 14:24.12 | *** join/#zaurus cor (~cory@209.115.237.101) |
| 14:34.05 | *** join/#zaurus mithro_ (~tim@dsl1-83.gw1.adl1.airnet.com.au) |
| 14:48.48 | *** join/#zaurus TrekCycling (~prestonc@12-224-247-37.client.attbi.com) |
| 14:49.44 | *** join/#zaurus walid (~walid@pc-62-30-151-46-hr.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 15:12.17 | *** join/#zaurus djk (~djk@167.156.63.253) |
| 15:13.37 | *** join/#zaurus Neo|Away (~neotron@207.188.30.40) |
| 15:22.47 | djk | so anybody know what happened to the http://www.zaurus.com site? |
| 15:24.16 | warmi | I think I read somewhere that it was hacked |
| 15:24.20 | warmi | something like that |
| 15:25.29 | djk | bummer |
| 15:27.56 | *** join/#zaurus ivan (~ivan@adsl-67-113-41-222.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) |
| 15:33.46 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 15:38.52 | ivan | hurray my zaurus shipped from HSN |
| 15:39.04 | ivan | and i cancelled by crap nushield screen protector |
| 15:53.01 | George- | back |
| 16:03.48 | *** join/#zaurus djk (~djk@ool-44c14684.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 16:06.46 | *** join/#zaurus agupta (~agupta@beryllium.tjhsst.edu) |
| 16:08.46 | *** join/#zaurus kergoth (~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 16:08.54 | George- | yo kergoth |
| 16:14.01 | *** join/#zaurus mtm (~mtmm@63.149.241.217) |
| 16:14.15 | George- | kergoth: I haven't built Opie in a while |
| 16:14.24 | George- | kergoth: any significant changes? |
| 16:14.29 | George- | kergoth: (for development) |
| 16:14.38 | kergoth | not really |
| 16:14.46 | George- | k |
| 16:14.54 | George- | kergoth: where's the Wiki page for it again? |
| 16:15.04 | kergoth | opie.handhelds.org |
| 16:15.07 | George- | thanks |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#zaurus ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 16:16.51 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o ChanServ] by leguin.freenode.net |
| 16:18.11 | George`Coding | kergoth: which Qt do I need? |
| 16:18.27 | kergoth | qt/e 2.3.4. |
| 16:18.33 | George`Coding | final release? |
| 16:18.47 | agupta | hmm |
| 16:18.50 | George`Coding | wtf, it's huge |
| 16:18.51 | George`Coding | 16MB |
| 16:18.56 | kergoth | yes, not a snapshot |
| 16:18.57 | agupta | any chance i can hook up a cellphone with a usb connector to my zaurus? |
| 16:19.12 | kergoth | Z is a usb device, not a host |
| 16:19.13 | agupta | usb host card or some type of usb->serial connector? |
| 16:19.16 | kergoth | not gonna happen |
| 16:19.19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:19.22 | kergoth | those would be the only options |
| 16:19.32 | kergoth | i dont know if the latter exists |
| 16:19.45 | agupta | and the first doesn't work with zaurus |
| 16:19.52 | kergoth | doing an oz unstable update, fyi |
| 16:19.56 | George`Coding | man, I love abusing lusers on #Linux on webnet :) |
| 16:19.59 | kergoth | so peopel can stop bitching about mplayer being missing |
| 16:20.12 | George`Coding | <George`Coding> now shut up and let me get on with it |
| 16:20.13 | George`Coding | <karn^_^> ok |
| 16:20.14 | George`Coding | ;) |
| 16:20.16 | agupta | kergoth: hmm, does the c700 support usb host? |
| 16:20.21 | kergoth | agupta: no |
| 16:21.28 | George`Coding | kergoth: is that a PXA250/SA1110 limitation? |
| 16:21.47 | kergoth | they coudl have used a supplementary chip that includes usb host |
| 16:21.50 | kergoth | they chose not to |
| 16:22.00 | George`Coding | kergoth: does the AMD Alchemy support USB host? |
| 16:22.43 | kergoth | what does the cpu have to do with it? even if it doesnt, you can add its capability |
| 16:24.11 | George`Coding | kergoth: yah |
| 16:24.20 | George`Coding | kergoth: I'm referring to the built "features" :) |
| 16:25.34 | George`Coding | s/built/built-in |
| 16:25.38 | George`Coding | er.. |
| 16:26.01 | George`Coding | s/s\/built\/built-in/s\/built\/built-in/ |
| 16:26.06 | George`Coding | bah |
| 16:26.09 | George`Coding | got it wrong again |
| 16:26.21 | George`Coding | s/s\/built\/built-in/s\/built\/built-in\// |
| 16:33.58 | *** join/#zaurus HCl (~hcl@atlantis.student.utwente.nl) |
| 16:34.46 | *** join/#zaurus mark (~none@s.westcott.freeuk.com) |
| 16:35.17 | mark | George`Coding: coding what? :) |
| 16:35.27 | George`Coding | mark: building opie then debugging hopefully |
| 16:36.17 | mark | George`Coding: heh |
| 16:36.42 | George`Coding | I hope I have a working gdb |
| 16:37.15 | mark | George`Coding: can you send it to me? ;) |
| 16:37.35 | minipanda | hi! there is an Audiovox RM8000 adpater can supply GSM/GPRS! so can it work on zaurus? |
| 16:38.01 | George`Coding | mark: what distro are you running? |
| 16:38.16 | mark | George`Coding: mandrake, but i think its a prob with my hardware, windows is complaining lost |
| 16:38.17 | minipanda | that device is orginally designed for notebook in PCMCIA, and also have CF style? |
| 16:38.54 | *** join/#zaurus josh966 (~chatzilla@ak.nlc.com) |
| 16:39.12 | George`Coding | mark: what h/w? ; |
| 16:39.38 | *** join/#zaurus devusb (mhelton@206.169.90.28) |
| 16:39.56 | George`Coding | mark: cooling probs? |
| 16:40.49 | mark | George`Coding: memory probably |
| 16:40.56 | mark | George`Coding: don't have the patience to run memtest86 on it though :) |
| 16:41.51 | George`Coding | mark: how many ram banks are you using? |
| 16:42.14 | *** part/#zaurus devusb (mhelton@206.169.90.28) |
| 16:42.24 | *** join/#zaurus xyle (~dan@203.87.132.164) |
| 16:44.40 | mark | George`Coding: i dunno |
| 16:44.42 | mark | George`Coding: why? |
| 16:44.46 | George`Coding | this is outrageous.. still compiling |
| 16:44.52 | George`Coding | mark: if you have 2, try taking one out |
| 16:47.23 | Locutus4242 | anybody been able to get a Windigo CF(bluetooth) card working with Affix on the Z? |
| 16:47.48 | George`Coding | is connectiva linux user-friendly? |
| 16:50.00 | mark | George`Coding: meh, that means lifting the case off :) |
| 16:50.51 | George`Coding | mark: and? |
| 16:53.02 | *** join/#zaurus HCl_ (~hcl@atlantis.student.utwente.nl) |
| 16:53.09 | mark | George`Coding: i'm lazy |
| 16:54.36 | George`Coding | I thought I was lazy... |
| 16:54.53 | fishy | whats the second best deal after HSN? |
| 16:55.03 | fishy | since there sold out :P |
| 16:55.51 | josh966 | fishy: ebay |
| 16:55.56 | fishy | ermm |
| 16:56.01 | fishy | dun wanna wait |
| 16:56.08 | fishy | must have now! |
| 16:56.12 | josh966 | find a buy it now auction |
| 16:56.19 | fishy | good idea ;) |
| 16:56.36 | josh966 | i missed hsn too :( |
| 17:02.43 | ivan | heh |
| 17:02.58 | ivan | neener neener mine's already shipped |
| 17:03.54 | nadav | george |
| 17:03.56 | nadav | you wanna buy my emac? |
| 17:03.57 | nadav | :P |
| 17:04.10 | George`Coding | nadav: why? |
| 17:04.21 | nadav | because i need an x86 box |
| 17:04.22 | George`Coding | fishy: some 5500s on eBay on buy-it-now for 229 USD |
| 17:04.30 | George`Coding | nadav: you can give me the eMac... |
| 17:04.34 | nadav | nah |
| 17:04.39 | fishy | George, tigerdirect has it for 199 |
| 17:04.42 | nadav | i'd never donate it to you |
| 17:04.51 | nadav | if i was donating i'd give it to fink |
| 17:05.02 | George`Coding | nadav: oiy |
| 17:05.07 | nadav | heh |
| 17:05.20 | Locutus4242 | fri: tigerdirect units are re-furbished |
| 17:05.25 | fishy | hmm |
| 17:05.37 | fishy | Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 64mb Color Pocket PC (Recertified) |
| 17:05.46 | fishy | they call it Recertified :P |
| 17:05.49 | fishy | bastards |
| 17:05.51 | nadav | pocket pc? |
| 17:06.05 | fishy | dont ask me |
| 17:06.08 | ivan | hah, they call it a pocket pc too |
| 17:06.24 | ivan | SCAM SCAM SCAM ALERT |
| 17:06.28 | nadav | lol |
| 17:06.46 | George`Coding | that's cause it *IS* a pocket pc |
| 17:06.51 | George`Coding | fool |
| 17:06.57 | fishy | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3015994020&category=15030 |
| 17:06.57 | ivan | PC == x86 |
| 17:07.05 | George`Coding | ivan: PC == Personal Computer |
| 17:07.13 | ivan | so a mac is a PC too? |
| 17:07.17 | George`Coding | ivan: An Apple mac is a PC, yet it runs on PowerPC processors |
| 17:07.18 | fishy | lol tigerdirect also says that the 5500 has a 400 mhz CPU :P |
| 17:07.24 | George`Coding | fishy: hrmm |
| 17:07.36 | Locutus4242 | it's just not a Pocket PC(tm). No doubt MS trademarked the term... |
| 17:08.06 | George`Coding | and btw - PPC != PocketPC |
| 17:08.10 | George`Coding | PPC == PowerPC |
| 17:08.20 | Locutus4242 | the people at tigerdirect are oblidiots. ;) |
| 17:08.30 | fishy | yes |
| 17:09.05 | ivan | well just wait till next year i guess |
| 17:09.30 | George`Coding | sod the 5500 |
| 17:09.36 | George`Coding | I want the 6000 when it comes out |
| 17:09.38 | George`Coding | ;) |
| 17:09.45 | fishy | i want to get both a sl5500 and the c700 |
| 17:09.54 | fishy | and do devwork on the sl5500 |
| 17:09.56 | ivan | the c700 has a crappy keyboard |
| 17:10.03 | George`Coding | I actually want a Zaurus in the form of a Psion 5mx |
| 17:10.06 | kergoth | i have no problems with the c700's keyboard |
| 17:10.12 | mark | George`Coding: c700? |
| 17:10.18 | ivan | kergoth: is it squishy or clicky? |
| 17:10.36 | George`Coding | mark: doesn't have a touch-typing keyboard |
| 17:10.44 | Locutus4242 | what's the word on ext keyboards and the Z? |
| 17:10.48 | kergoth | ivan: it has a click, tactile feedback |
| 17:10.52 | kergoth | ivan: quite usable |
| 17:10.53 | ivan | ah cool |
| 17:11.04 | George`Coding | kergoth: ever typed on a Psion 5? :) |
| 17:11.08 | kergoth | nope |
| 17:11.13 | kergoth | the Z was my first pda |
| 17:11.14 | George`Coding | kergoth: it's incredible, I can touch type on that thing |
| 17:11.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:11.15 | fishy | psions are nice |
| 17:11.39 | George`Coding | kergoth: look at the graphic in the top left of etux.sourceforge.net |
| 17:11.50 | George`Coding | kergoth: *that's* the Psion 5 and it's excellent keyboard |
| 17:11.54 | Locutus4242 | thinking of hacking a rs232 Bluetooth module into a Palm/Thinkoutside keyboard. :) |
| 17:12.04 | cwaig | Locutus4242: the word is IRK |
| 17:12.16 | fishy | i got a thinkoutside kb |
| 17:12.29 | Locutus4242 | cwaig: what is IRK? |
| 17:12.29 | fishy | with my zaurus |
| 17:12.44 | minipanda | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.45 | minipanda | [01:18:52] <George`Coding> fishy: hrmm |
| 17:12.45 | minipanda | [01:18:58] mr_sci |
| 17:12.49 | cwaig | InfraRed Keyboard plugin |
| 17:12.58 | George`Coding | minipanda: woot |
| 17:13.08 | fishy | oops my bad I ment visor |
| 17:13.09 | minipanda | George`Coding: sorry! |
| 17:13.23 | cwaig | (allows Pocketop keyboards to work with the SL5500/C700) |
| 17:13.43 | minipanda | George`Coding: i miss pressed my mouse wheel :-( |
| 17:13.48 | George`Coding | hah |
| 17:13.50 | Locutus4242 | the problem with IrDA keyboards is the location of the PDA relative to the keyboard. |
| 17:13.58 | George`Coding | kergoth: like the look of the Psion's keyboard? :) |
| 17:14.03 | *** join/#zaurus HCl (~hcl@atlantis.student.utwente.nl) |
| 17:14.10 | minipanda | George`Coding: you coding for what? |
| 17:14.22 | cwaig | Landscape mode - IrDA port is positioned on the bottom, ideal... |
| 17:14.29 | George`Coding | kergoth: actually, better picture (5mx): http://linux-7110.sourceforge.net/howtos/series5mx/5MXHOWTO/PsiLinux.gif |
| 17:14.42 | George`Coding | minipanda: waiting for QtE/Opie to finish compiling so I can start debugging |
| 17:14.55 | ivan | is that a full-size keyboard? |
| 17:14.59 | cwaig | 5mx == luverly keyboard (very trick) |
| 17:15.08 | minipanda | god! George`Coding: are u writing the QtE/OPIE? |
| 17:15.08 | George`Coding | ivan: no |
| 17:15.14 | kergoth | minipanda: ? |
| 17:15.15 | George`Coding | minipanda: uhm |
| 17:15.15 | Locutus4242 | cwaig: that would work as long as all the apps work that way... good for some though. |
| 17:15.18 | George`Coding | minipanda: what? |
| 17:15.34 | minipanda | George`Coding: are u the author of QtE/OPIE ? |
| 17:15.36 | George`Coding | ivan: it's amazingly good though |
| 17:15.36 | cwaig | only app that doesn't work well in landscape is Opera |
| 17:15.40 | George`Coding | minipanda: HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 17:15.47 | kergoth | minipanda: uh, qt/e was written by trolltech |
| 17:15.54 | kergoth | minipanda: opie was done by a *lot* of developers |
| 17:16.06 | kergoth | minipanda: there is no 'author' of opie |
| 17:16.19 | chouimat | hi |
| 17:16.27 | ivan | well u no a lot help plz! |
| 17:16.30 | minipanda | kergoth: ohoh, but kergoth, i want to ask you a more practical problem! |
| 17:16.31 | Locutus4242 | cwaig: IRK doesn't sound like a bad solution then and it'll be cheaper. |
| 17:16.32 | ivan | ;) |
| 17:16.40 | kergoth | minipanda: then ask. |
| 17:16.54 | kergoth | and fyi, you ask a question, not a problem |
| 17:16.57 | cwaig | lotta folks have 'em (seem's quite popular) |
| 17:17.03 | kergoth | you may ask a question -about- a problem |
| 17:17.06 | kergoth | but you're still asking a question |
| 17:17.15 | George`Coding | minipanda: and even if there *was* an author of Opie, I wouldn't be that person :) |
| 17:17.29 | George`Coding | minipanda: kergoth's our local god |
| 17:17.33 | kergoth | bah |
| 17:17.48 | kergoth | cwaig: i didnt know that. nice work |
| 17:17.48 | minipanda | George`Coding: kergoth is a good persion |
| 17:18.00 | minipanda | George`Coding: but a little more ... |
| 17:18.05 | cwaig | :) |
| 17:18.07 | mark | George`Coding: wow, didn't know ou wrote opie |
| 17:18.08 | George`Coding | ? |
| 17:18.12 | George`Coding | mark: bah |
| 17:18.16 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:18.18 | Locutus4242 | cwaig: good going. :) |
| 17:18.30 | George`Coding | mark: I didn't |
| 17:18.31 | George`Coding | lol |
| 17:18.37 | kergoth | cwaig: irk uses lirc? |
| 17:18.43 | George`Coding | I only hax0red opie to run on the Psion ;) |
| 17:18.47 | George`Coding | then decided it was too friggin' slow |
| 17:18.56 | kergoth | cwaig: i'd like to see a kernel keyboard driver that can talk to consumer ir devices |
| 17:19.50 | George`Coding | ivan: the entire Psion is 172X89X24 mm |
| 17:19.56 | George`Coding | ivan: in case you're wondering |
| 17:20.47 | mark | 1991 / H reg. Modified and restored. Repainted Aug02 in Porsche Guards Red. "Jeep" badging. Big wheels with 2 new Bridgestone tyres. New roof and sidescreens. Debumpered. New "period" tail and front sidelights. Modified interior.VW seats. MoT to Nov03,tax May03. WARN freewheeling hubs. 49k miles with history. Recent FULL service. New alternator. £3,000 spent in the last 2 years. Excellent condition, ready for the summer! Regretable sale-parking problems i |
| 17:20.49 | mark | woops |
| 17:21.01 | George`Coding | wtf |
| 17:21.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:21.07 | kergoth | ~fishslap mark |
| 17:21.09 | | ACTION slaps mark up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 17:21.09 | ivan | don't buy from those silly europeans |
| 17:21.14 | ivan | they spelled it "tyres" |
| 17:21.21 | George`Coding | ivan: OIY!!!! |
| 17:21.50 | George`Coding | ivan: At least we can spell "Aluminium" and bloody well pronounce it properly |
| 17:21.52 | minipanda | kergoth: have you heard of an embedded consumer linux company named "Monta Vista?" |
| 17:21.57 | kergoth | of course |
| 17:22.03 | minipanda | kergoth: oh? |
| 17:22.10 | kergoth | yes.. |
| 17:22.10 | ivan | ah-loo-min-um |
| 17:22.24 | George`Coding | ivan: no |
| 17:22.29 | minipanda | kergoth: they released their consumer electronic edition these days |
| 17:22.31 | kergoth | one of their devs did the work on the TI OMAP support for linux, and they maintain TSLib, etc etc |
| 17:22.32 | George`Coding | ivan: a-loo-min-ee-on |
| 17:22.35 | George`Coding | ermm |
| 17:22.37 | George`Coding | ivan: a-loo-min-ee-um |
| 17:22.48 | ivan | yeah i guessed that, i'm russian |
| 17:22.50 | minipanda | kergoth: so they've already support Z? now? |
| 17:23.00 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:23.10 | *** join/#zaurus agupta (~agupta@helium.tjhsst.edu) |
| 17:23.13 | George`Coding | ivan: so stfu =P |
| 17:23.17 | kergoth | why would you want montavista linux on your Z? |
| 17:23.17 | minipanda | kergoth: can you give me some advice about these company? |
| 17:23.20 | kergoth | you already have embedix |
| 17:23.23 | kergoth | it would gain you nothing. |
| 17:23.57 | minipanda | kergoth : their sales persion told me they can supply great deal of developing tools |
| 17:24.05 | minipanda | kergoth : and debuggers |
| 17:24.14 | George`Coding | minipanda: can they supply SD drivers? ;) |
| 17:24.25 | kergoth | minipanda: what do you need? are you building a new ARM board and need linux on it? |
| 17:24.28 | kergoth | or what? |
| 17:24.33 | minipanda | George`Coding: SD drivers? the driver is not GPL ? |
| 17:24.38 | George`Coding | minipanda: no, it's not |
| 17:24.43 | George`Coding | minipanda: DRM shit |
| 17:24.44 | levi | Google sez: Aluminum: 4,980,000 hits. Aluminium: 2,490,000 hits. Aluminum wins! |
| 17:24.52 | kergoth | George`Coding: thanks |
| 17:24.54 | George`Coding | kergoth: stop abusing your desk! :) |
| 17:25.11 | George`Coding | levi: that's besides the point |
| 17:25.11 | kergoth | George`Coding: if i dont abuse teh desk, i'll be abusing users |
| 17:25.16 | George`Coding | kergoth: haha |
| 17:25.18 | minipanda | kergoth : sorry! |
| 17:25.27 | minipanda | kergoth: sorry again and again! |
| 17:25.37 | George`Coding | minipanda: The fact that the SD driver is NOT opensource has caused kergoth a LOT OF GRIEF!!! |
| 17:25.48 | kergoth | thats an understatement |
| 17:25.54 | Locutus4242 | FYI: it appears the 5500 is back at HSN.com but for $239.67 |
| 17:25.54 | George`Coding | kergoth: hrmm :) |
| 17:26.03 | George`Coding | minipanda: ok, it's caused him more grief than I have! :) |
| 17:26.13 | kergoth | bleh, i need to build glibc 2.2.x versions of my new toolchains |
| 17:26.21 | levi | George`Coding: What was the point that it's beside? |
| 17:26.30 | kergoth | levi: what? |
| 17:26.35 | *** join/#zaurus kendrick (~kendrick@dcn242-165.dcn.davis.ca.us) |
| 17:26.41 | George`Coding | levi: that Aluminium is the proper way of spelling it ;) |
| 17:26.42 | minipanda | kergoth: so i've booked an SD card so maybe next week the i can try to flash your ROM :-( |
| 17:26.57 | kergoth | 1) sd works in oz |
| 17:27.03 | kergoth | 2) you cant flash oz with sd, yo uneed cf |
| 17:27.06 | George`Coding | lol |
| 17:27.10 | kergoth | 3) flashing OZ generally isnt a reason to frown |
| 17:27.14 | minipanda | kergoth :-OOOOOOOOOOo |
| 17:27.15 | kergoth | ~bitchslap minipanda |
| 17:27.16 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of minipanda |
| 17:27.19 | George`Coding | er.. wait |
| 17:27.22 | George`Coding | that didn't come out right |
| 17:27.32 | George`Coding | s/bangs/bangs on/ |
| 17:27.37 | levi | George`Coding: Bah, who needs an extra syllable in the word? We're just being more efficient. :) |
| 17:27.47 | George`Coding | levi: ahh, but we're being correct! |
| 17:28.04 | George`Coding | levi: so I'll call you lev from now on |
| 17:28.12 | George`Coding | and kergoth will be known as ker |
| 17:28.22 | George`Coding | and Zaurus as Zau |
| 17:28.26 | George`Coding | =) |
| 17:28.38 | levi | And our wrists will all be the happier for it, eh? |
| 17:28.41 | kergoth | people never know how to shorten kergoth |
| 17:28.43 | kergoth | ker |
| 17:28.44 | kergoth | kg |
| 17:28.45 | kergoth | kerg |
| 17:28.57 | George`Coding | kergoth: I do, you shorten it to "ass" |
| 17:29.04 | George`Coding | kergoth: :) |
| 17:29.14 | kergoth | bah |
| 17:29.19 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 17:29.23 | George`Coding | damn |
| 17:29.35 | George`Coding | kergoth: I thought you prided yourself on being a complete and utter asshole? |
| 17:29.52 | kergoth | well you know, i always say, you should be proud of who and what you are |
| 17:29.58 | kergoth | and i'm a lazy asshole |
| 17:29.58 | *** join/#zaurus bobcat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 17:30.00 | kergoth | so there ya go |
| 17:30.08 | George`Coding | kergoth: lazy, no; asshole, yes |
| 17:30.15 | George`Coding | kergoth: *I'm* the lazy one ;) |
| 17:30.23 | kergoth | lazy, yes; but its the good lazy that results in efficient code and no waste |
| 17:30.28 | bobcat | kergoth: still have problemwith george? |
| 17:30.32 | kergoth | i.e. the opposite of lineo code |
| 17:30.38 | George`Coding | heh |
| 17:30.57 | bobcat | George`Coding: you know that we all love you |
| 17:30.58 | kergoth | i dont have a problem with george. he annoys me, i kick him. its what we do |
| 17:30.59 | *** join/#zaurus oGMo (~rpav@216.190.2.135) |
| 17:31.05 | kergoth | hey oGMo |
| 17:31.13 | George`Coding | kergoth: bobcat == chouimat ;) |
| 17:31.25 | kergoth | ibot: chouimat |
| 17:31.27 | | chouimat is, like, chouimat |
| 17:31.29 | oGMo | sup kergoth |
| 17:31.32 | kergoth | ibot: bob |
| 17:31.32 | | i guess bob is guilty of that... But I didn't fuss, so I'm equally guilty... or chouimat's cat |
| 17:31.32 | George`Coding | ibot george- |
| 17:31.33 | | hmm... george- is George- |
| 17:31.37 | minipanda | kergoth :-( sorry! but can i insert an mini speaker into my Z? seems it can not play sound directly? i hate use ear-phone |
| 17:31.38 | minipanda | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.49 | kergoth | minipanda: you can play normal sounds out of the buzzer with OZ |
| 17:31.53 | kergoth | it sounds likue crap |
| 17:31.54 | kergoth | but it works |
| 17:31.55 | George`Coding | lol |
| 17:32.12 | minipanda | kergoth: the buzzer only can play "ca ca ca " |
| 17:32.17 | kergoth | minipanda: wrong |
| 17:32.17 | chouimat | kergoth: yesterday system updatemade my system unbootble |
| 17:32.26 | George`Coding | minipanda: kergoth h4x0red the buzzer |
| 17:32.37 | kergoth | actually denes balatoni did |
| 17:32.46 | kergoth | he rewrote our audio drivers to .. Suck Less(tm) |
| 17:32.51 | George`Coding | kergoth: theoretically could you replace the buzzer directly with a speaker? |
| 17:32.55 | chouimat | kergoth: pnis? |
| 17:32.58 | kergoth | chouimat: yes |
| 17:33.28 | George`Coding | kergoth: ie - unsolder the buzzer, and solder in a speaker in its place? |
| 17:33.33 | kergoth | George`Coding: dont know |
| 17:33.46 | kergoth | they couldve put a speaker there yes |
| 17:33.58 | kergoth | could a person do so now, dunno |
| 17:34.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:35.09 | kergoth | http://kernel.bkbits.net/~david-b/ |
| 17:35.16 | kergoth | ^-new usb device side driver stack |
| 17:35.26 | kergoth | it seems to suck less than lineo's usbd |
| 17:35.33 | *** join/#zaurus HCl (~hcl@atlantis.student.utwente.nl) |
| 17:35.38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:35.46 | kergoth | PuTTY Fatal Error: Out of memory! |
| 17:35.49 | kergoth | i think its reboot time |
| 17:35.49 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:38.01 | *** join/#zaurus chouimat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 17:38.49 | George`Coding | hrmm, kergoth can reboot without leaving IRC? |
| 17:39.10 | minipanda | George`Coding: :-O ?? |
| 17:39.31 | minipanda | George`Coding: have you use the termial applicaiton on your Z directly? |
| 17:39.39 | George`Coding | minipanda: uhm... yes |
| 17:39.42 | George`Coding | minipanda: all the time |
| 17:39.50 | minipanda | George`Coding: is there any good method to increse the size of the FNOT? |
| 17:40.05 | George`Coding | FNOT? :) |
| 17:40.05 | minipanda | George`Coding: the FONTS are tooooo small to read :-( |
| 17:40.06 | kendrick | use the menu :) |
| 17:40.15 | George`Coding | minipanda: it's a menu option iirc |
| 17:40.35 | George`Coding | minipanda: or do you mean true terminal? |
| 17:40.40 | minipanda | George`Coding? where? |
| 17:40.41 | George`Coding | minipanda: as in... not in Opie |
| 17:41.12 | George`Coding | minipanda: if you want that, you have to recompile the kernel without the ultra-tiny-font patch :) |
| 17:41.13 | minipanda | George`Coding: i've download an terminal application's ipk from sharp's site! |
| 17:41.21 | George`Coding | minipanda: well... |
| 17:41.28 | George`Coding | minipanda: is this OpenZaurus? |
| 17:42.07 | minipanda | George`Coding: i'm using default ROM these days! and i've book an SD from net! but seems i still need an CF card first :-( |
| 17:42.16 | George`Coding | minipanda: uhm |
| 17:42.24 | George`Coding | minipanda: stop putting an ! after everythink you say |
| 17:42.43 | George`Coding | minipanda: and I have no experience with the Sharp ROM |
| 17:42.48 | George`Coding | minipanda: so go bitch to Sniper <hehehehe> |
| 17:42.57 | minipanda | George`Coding: ok, sorry :-( but thanks! |
| 17:44.26 | *** join/#zaurus HCl_ (~hcl@atlantis.student.utwente.nl) |
| 17:45.14 | kendrick | minipanda: this is in the Terminal app, or outside of Qtopia? |
| 17:45.44 | George`Coding | kendrick: the Sharp terminal app on the 5500 CD, from what I can tell |
| 17:45.57 | George`Coding | kendrick: on the default ROM (2.3x) |
| 17:46.03 | kergoth | minipanda: i have steps to install OZ from an sd card |
| 17:46.09 | kergoth | minipanda: its riskier, but it can be done |
| 17:46.15 | George`Coding | kergoth: woot? it's possible? |
| 17:46.24 | kergoth | George`Coding: i have an email from someone to ripped apart the sharp updater |
| 17:46.28 | kergoth | George`Coding: it no longer checks CRC |
| 17:46.30 | minipanda | kergoth: thanks god! kergoth: you saved me! |
| 17:46.38 | kergoth | George`Coding: it'll flash you from /root/Documents/, which of course could be symlinked from sd |
| 17:46.39 | George`Coding | minipanda: it's risky |
| 17:46.45 | kergoth | its a OSPACK flash |
| 17:46.46 | George`Coding | kergoth: hrmm |
| 17:46.54 | kergoth | which means, you damn well better check that md5sum before flkashing |
| 17:47.01 | George`Coding | kergoth: haha |
| 17:47.14 | kergoth | if angel flashes partway or corrupts, you've got a brick :) |
| 17:47.27 | minipanda | kergoth: ok, i must run md5check after download |
| 17:47.38 | George`Coding | kergoth: someone was telling me how Sharp have an emergency unbricking technique |
| 17:47.41 | kergoth | its more complex than that. I'll write something up |
| 17:47.46 | kergoth | George`Coding: they can use jtag to recover the unit |
| 17:47.47 | minipanda | kergoth: ? "angel flashes partway"? |
| 17:47.53 | kergoth | George`Coding: i have the specs to do so as well |
| 17:47.57 | George`Coding | kergoth: jtag? |
| 17:48.01 | kergoth | though sharp never did get me the linux app to utilize it |
| 17:48.04 | kergoth | joint test action group |
| 17:48.06 | kergoth | ibot: jtag |
| 17:48.08 | | [jtag] http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/jtag or http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/ or order $20 usd dongles from http://www.aleph1.co.uk/armlinux/LART/ |
| 17:48.08 | minipanda | kergoth: i really have an jtag debugger of corelis |
| 17:48.20 | kergoth | ibot: mondays |
| 17:48.21 | | Sounds like _somebody_'s got a case of the Muhhndays! |
| 17:48.30 | George`Coding | kergoth: how does it work? |
| 17:48.39 | kergoth | google is your firend. |
| 17:49.05 | kergoth | argh, fucking ran out of hard disk space |
| 17:49.27 | minipanda | but kergoth: sharp opened his jtag instruction to codes level developers ? some times they only told the hardware design engineers |
| 17:49.41 | kergoth | minipanda: they only gave it to myself and a couple others under NDA |
| 17:49.52 | kergoth | the information has not been released publically |
| 17:49.56 | George`Coding | kergoth: "how do I pronounce opie" is a FAQ? |
| 17:50.00 | George`Coding | kergoth: hehe |
| 17:50.15 | George`Coding | kergoth: I pronounce it oh-pee ;) |
| 17:50.19 | minipanda | kergoth: NDA? hehe maybe you can remove the watermark and re-public them someday |
| 17:50.57 | George`Coding | kergoth: why the hell did they release that under NDA? |
| 17:51.22 | kergoth | because they never release anything they dont have to |
| 17:51.36 | kergoth | look at their qtopia apps. they ever release the code? hell no |
| 17:52.11 | George`Coding | kergoth: so.. er.. you can use jtag to unfux0r your Z if you brick it? |
| 17:52.17 | kergoth | yes |
| 17:52.18 | minipanda | kergoth: qtopia is very hard to desigh! ? |
| 17:52.22 | kergoth | minipanda: no |
| 17:52.27 | kergoth | did i say it was? |
| 17:52.36 | kergoth | no, i said they didnt release code they arent legally forced to release |
| 17:52.42 | minipanda | kergoth:so why they do not open they codes? |
| 17:52.55 | kergoth | how the fuck would i know? |
| 17:52.57 | kergoth | i just fucking told you |
| 17:53.05 | kergoth | sharp doesnt release things they dont *have* to |
| 17:53.07 | minipanda | kergoth:sorry! :-( |
| 17:53.09 | kergoth | why? |
| 17:53.10 | kergoth | go ask them |
| 17:53.11 | George`Coding | minipanda: look, if you continue asking stupid questions kergoth's gonna tell you to go get an IQ then come back |
| 17:53.23 | kergoth | i didnt make sharp's decisions for them |
| 17:53.30 | George`Coding | kergoth: hah, I wish you had |
| 17:53.33 | kergoth | if i did, they wouldnt have fucked up quite as bad |
| 17:53.35 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:53.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:53.40 | minipanda | George`Coding: i've test my IQ then i was 14 , that's only 145 |
| 17:53.40 | George`Coding | kergoth: lol |
| 17:53.54 | *** join/#zaurus chouimat (~root@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 17:53.54 | George`Coding | minipanda: hrmm, I tested mine when I was 12, I got 169 :) |
| 17:54.14 | kergoth | argh, i'm getting corrupted MAC on input on half my ssh connections |
| 17:54.18 | minipanda | George`Coding: good! :-) so ROOOOT has land? |
| 17:54.18 | kergoth | i forgot my digi network password |
| 17:54.22 | kergoth | yes, its MONDAY alright |
| 17:54.30 | George`Coding | minipanda: wtf are you talking about? |
| 17:54.30 | kergoth | minipanda: yes, chouimat is logged onto irc as root |
| 17:54.35 | kergoth | minipanda: why are you asking george? |
| 17:54.36 | agupta | hey kergoth |
| 17:54.39 | kergoth | ibot said it, not him |
| 17:54.40 | | kergoth: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 17:54.44 | George`Coding | kergoth: hehe |
| 17:54.52 | George`Coding | ibot: botsnack |
| 17:54.52 | | George`Coding: thanks |
| 17:54.53 | C1qrk3 | ibot help |
| 17:55.05 | George`Coding | kergoth: that's the first time I've ever heard ibot say a random thing that's RELEVANT |
| 17:55.57 | minipanda | ibot ibot |
| 17:55.57 | | ibot is probably a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 17:55.59 | mark | George`Coding: they overly compensate for age when u do an IQ test when you are young |
| 17:56.09 | George`Coding | mark: damn :) |
| 17:56.29 | George`Coding | wooooohooooo |
| 17:56.34 | George`Coding | Qt has finished compiling |
| 17:57.00 | *** join/#zaurus chouimat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 17:58.51 | George`Coding | kergoth: ping |
| 17:59.01 | kergoth | George`Coding: pong |
| 17:59.09 | George`Coding | kergoth: what xine-lib do I need for Opie? |
| 17:59.22 | kergoth | .. |
| 17:59.24 | kergoth | libxine |
| 17:59.34 | kergoth | you mean what version? |
| 17:59.37 | George`Coding | yah |
| 17:59.40 | kergoth | we pull it from cvs and patch the fuck out of it |
| 17:59.46 | kergoth | but it doesnt matter much, you just need it to build |
| 17:59.49 | George`Coding | heh |
| 17:59.57 | George`Coding | is xinelib in hh.org cvs? |
| 18:00.07 | kergoth | eh |
| 18:00.10 | kergoth | xine isnt part of familiar |
| 18:00.14 | kergoth | xine is xine |
| 18:00.20 | George`Coding | cya minipanda |
| 18:00.21 | kergoth | night minipanda |
| 18:00.30 | kergoth | Disconnecting: Corrupted MAC on input. |
| 18:00.31 | George`Coding | kergoth: hrmm |
| 18:00.31 | kergoth | gah! |
| 18:00.33 | kergoth | today blows. |
| 18:01.44 | Pendalar | I agree |
| 18:01.45 | George`Coding | kergoth: ok, so libxine version is irrelevant? |
| 18:01.50 | kergoth | and.. corrupted mac on input again |
| 18:01.56 | kergoth | George`Coding: its only needed for opieplayer2 anyway |
| 18:02.01 | kergoth | George`Coding: make menuconfig, disable op2, make |
| 18:02.02 | *** join/#zaurus Neo|Work (~neotron@207.188.30.40) |
| 18:02.02 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o Neo|Work] by ChanServ |
| 18:02.03 | kergoth | ta da |
| 18:02.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:02.06 | chouimat | George`Coding: did the school of england closed to you? |
| 18:02.07 | Pendalar | I have to work tonight, have to be there in 5 hours.. and haven't f'kin slept due to wife being sick |
| 18:02.13 | George`Coding | chouimat: ? |
| 18:02.19 | kergoth | Pendalar: ouch |
| 18:02.20 | chouimat | George`Coding: nm |
| 18:02.51 | Pendalar | yeah being up from Sunday 5pm - Tuesday 8pm will suck much |
| 18:02.58 | Pendalar | er 8am |
| 18:03.03 | George`Coding | what's the command again to allow su'd sessions to access the X session? |
| 18:03.14 | chouimat | kergoth: question: while I'm reinstalling that box: jfs,xfs or reiserfs? |
| 18:03.22 | mark | Neo|Work: I had my first sale to a 5600 today:) |
| 18:03.39 | kergoth | chouimat: dunno, i'm using ext3 atm causee i was too lazy at the last install |
| 18:03.49 | *** join/#zaurus mutexer (~spock@adsl-82-173-232.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 18:03.59 | George`Coding | chouimat: xfs |
| 18:04.04 | mutexer | warmi: you here? |
| 18:04.23 | chouimat | George`Coding: probably ... I need to convert my jfs based disk ... |
| 18:05.10 | Pendalar | kergoth the new ipkg-make-index doesn't say which packages failed (due to no control structure, etc) just that it something failed |
| 18:05.20 | Pendalar | how do you track the bad ones now if it doesn't say? |
| 18:06.01 | kergoth | i havent fucked with feed generation in a while, bipolar has been doing the updates |
| 18:06.01 | Pendalar | serious? haha |
| 18:06.14 | Pendalar | great =-{ |
| 18:06.29 | kergoth | patch ipkg-make-index to be more verbose |
| 18:06.37 | *** join/#zaurus krezel[laptop] (~ItsME@166-90-245-44.ip2go.net) |
| 18:07.12 | Pendalar | your clever automatic response of that phrase just gets funnier and funner ;-) |
| 18:07.38 | Pendalar | or maybe it's the sleep deprivation kicking in... dunno needs some drugs me thinks |
| 18:07.43 | kergoth | automatic response of what phrase |
| 18:07.44 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:07.59 | Pendalar | code it/ patch it |
| 18:08.29 | kergoth | heh, thats the way i am. if its written in a language i know, and annoys me sufficiently, i'll make it work |
| 18:09.24 | chouimat | George`Coding: I'm going back with reiserfs |
| 18:09.48 | kergoth | god kernel bk trees are huge |
| 18:11.47 | Neo|Work | mark: :) |
| 18:11.54 | Pendalar | gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file | tar: unexpected EOF in archive | tar: Unexpected EOF in archive | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 18:12.00 | krezel[laptop] | Does anybody here use PGP for their email? |
| 18:12.05 | Pendalar | is the sort of unhelpful nonsense the python script generates |
| 18:12.09 | krezel[laptop] | GPG specifically |
| 18:12.24 | Pendalar | I'm glad it knows something failed, but it needs to say which packages is in reference, like the old |
| 18:12.30 | kergoth | Pendalar: indeed |
| 18:13.09 | Pendalar | esp when I have over 630 files being scanned |
| 18:13.26 | mark | George`Coding: do u know OPL? |
| 18:14.14 | mutexer | Neo|Work: any idea how to set the speed of a mod file? |
| 18:14.21 | Neo|Work | mutexer: in the mod file |
| 18:14.30 | mutexer | but how? |
| 18:14.38 | mutexer | modtracker not do it? |
| 18:14.50 | masticator | blah |
| 18:14.50 | Neo|Work | I don't remember now |
| 18:15.03 | Neo|Work | it's not a global setting, rather it's a command among the tracks |
| 18:17.19 | Pendalar | ah it does have a verbose mode |
| 18:17.28 | *** join/#zaurus caffeine (~khedspet@216-187-196-82.dsl.btitelecom.net) |
| 18:17.30 | Pendalar | had to edit it to find it but it's there |
| 18:17.42 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:17.46 | Pendalar | maybe a updated usage() function would help =-/ |
| 18:18.14 | Pendalar | ipkg-make-index --help just says 'ipkg-make-index package_dir' nothing on other parameters |
| 18:19.21 | Pendalar | wow just one package generated 6 errors... must have not even bothered to read how to make an ipk |
| 18:19.35 | *** join/#zaurus caffeine (~khedspet@216-187-196-82.dsl.btitelecom.net) |
| 18:19.55 | *** join/#zaurus caffeine (~khedspet@216-187-196-82.dsl.btitelecom.net) |
| 18:20.01 | Pendalar | killl itttt |
| 18:20.36 | Pendalar | oh well cya guys after my last 2 days of work, supposing I make it through it |
| 18:21.56 | George`Coding | mark: yes |
| 18:23.34 | George`Coding | mark: or at least.. I *did* |
| 18:30.27 | *** join/#zaurus Taim__ (~taim@12-226-34-51.client.attbi.com) |
| 18:31.56 | *** join/#zaurus mrwoody (paolo@18-pool4.ras12.nynyc-t.alerondial.net) |
| 18:32.25 | *** join/#zaurus rev (~rev@24-197-180-73.dul.mn.charter.com) |
| 18:33.04 | *** join/#zaurus duplexer_wifi (~GMF@user-2iveksj.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 18:38.03 | *** join/#zaurus SuKoShi (~sukoshi@dyn-212-232-22-70.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 18:43.45 | *** join/#zaurus jaku (~oo@host66-152.pool80105.interbusiness.it) |
| 18:45.32 | *** join/#zaurus decaff (~khedspet@216-187-196-82.dsl.btitelecom.net) |
| 18:48.54 | jaku | ciao |
| 18:49.04 | jaku | is there an acoustic reader for zaurus? |
| 18:51.37 | jaku | something good for blind people |
| 18:54.58 | oGMo | i think there's a festival port |
| 18:55.09 | oGMo | theoretically that could be wired up in various ways |
| 18:55.55 | *** join/#zaurus Hellaenergy (~Hellaener@209.181.237.141) |
| 19:06.04 | *** join/#zaurus Leaves (Leaves@d141-185-136.home.cgocable.net) |
| 19:06.04 | *** join/#zaurus tux_mike (~mike@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 19:06.13 | Com[Plex] | does the 5600 support SDIO? |
| 19:06.36 | *** part/#zaurus Leaves (Leaves@d141-185-136.home.cgocable.net) |
| 19:06.40 | George`Coding | Com[Plex]: no |
| 19:06.48 | George`Coding | Com[Plex]: Or, I don't think so anyway |
| 19:07.19 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 19:10.39 | raceme | is there a way to find what is the speed of the irda link ? |
| 19:10.49 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:11.54 | *** join/#zaurus noidd (~red@217.169.29.101) |
| 19:13.06 | raceme | i've set up an internet connection with my gprs mobile phone and the access is _very_ low (approx 9600 bauds, 1 gprs canal) and my phone should be able to have 4+1 canals. So I would like to check the speed of the irda link... |
| 19:13.32 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:14.49 | raceme | i have no idea how to "bench" my irda connexion between the phone and the Z... |
| 19:26.03 | raceme | perhaps minicom will say me the speed |
| 19:31.02 | minipanda_zzZZ | -0.58-gcc31.so |
| 19:31.03 | minipanda_zzZZ | [root@zhanght Gaim]# |
| 19:31.03 | minipanda_zzZZ | -0.58-gcc31.so |
| 19:31.03 | minipanda_zzZZ | [root@zhanght Gaim]# |
| 19:31.04 | minipanda_zzZZ | -0.58-gcc31.so |
| 19:31.06 | minipanda_zzZZ | [root@zhanght Gaim]# |
| 19:31.55 | _Titeuf | coucou |
| 19:34.07 | Com[Plex] | WOOHOO! |
| 19:34.08 | Com[Plex] | http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=N82E16820160307 |
| 19:34.30 | Com[Plex] | finally, I can watch movies on my z! |
| 19:34.42 | Com[Plex] | nah screw that.. too choppy. |
| 19:36.49 | *** join/#zaurus steel_myst (~trillian@w190013.pal.dialup.fsr.net) |
| 19:45.39 | George`Coding | blah |
| 19:45.41 | George`Coding | Opie still compiling |
| 19:47.37 | *** join/#zaurus rev|desk (~rev@umd97-20.d.umn.edu) |
| 19:50.15 | *** join/#zaurus nerdboy (~sarnold@64.136.145.171) |
| 19:54.00 | *** join/#zaurus icefox (~ben@ool-4351483a.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 19:55.36 | icefox | HELLLlllllooooo |
| 19:55.37 | icefox | MOo |
| 19:55.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:55.55 | kergoth | hey ben |
| 19:56.14 | chouimat | hy ben |
| 19:57.17 | George`Coding | hey ben |
| 19:59.32 | *** join/#zaurus Novas007 (mike@levy.res.WPI.NET) |
| 20:00.14 | mark | moo icefox |
| 20:00.34 | George`Coding | oink mark |
| 20:00.46 | mark | George`Coding: whats the pc parts place wardy recommends? k something? |
| 20:00.57 | *** part/#zaurus Titeuf (~Titeuf@2m01.net) |
| 20:00.58 | George`Coding | mark: komplett? |
| 20:01.06 | mark | yeh tahts it |
| 20:01.08 | George`Coding | mark: that'st he place I recommend |
| 20:01.17 | mark | George`Coding: u must have done a lot of coding |
| 20:01.27 | George`Coding | mark: still waiting for opie to compile :( |
| 20:02.44 | George`Coding | George`NotCoding: wooot |
| 20:03.01 | George`Coding | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/george/Work/Zaurus/OpieSDK/opie/core/settings/citytime' |
| 20:03.11 | kergoth | George`Coding: alot |
| 20:03.16 | George`Coding | oh dear |
| 20:03.22 | George`Coding | looks like an all night session |
| 20:03.22 | George`Coding | bah |
| 20:03.26 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:03.32 | kergoth | who knows, the order in which things are built isnt defined |
| 20:09.08 | noidd | I want to hire the Iraqi Information Minister for my PR |
| 20:09.47 | noidd | he is doing interviews on the edge of the river with American troops visible on the other side of the river and the guy still maintains that they are not in Baghdad |
| 20:10.01 | noidd | I wish I had balls like him. Truely ammazing |
| 20:10.06 | *** join/#zaurus alexw (~alex@pc-62-30-229-41-sc.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 20:10.20 | *** part/#zaurus alexw (~alex@pc-62-30-229-41-sc.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 20:12.37 | George`Coding | HURRY UP |
| 20:12.40 | George`Coding | OR I SHOOT!!! |
| 20:12.41 | George`Coding | ;) |
| 20:12.58 | *** part/#zaurus steel_myst (~trillian@w190013.pal.dialup.fsr.net) |
| 20:15.34 | chouimat | ibot seen Sniper |
| 20:15.35 | | sniper <~Sniper@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 37d 23h 47m 7s ago, saying: 'brb'. |
| 20:17.20 | George`Coding | lmao |
| 20:17.25 | George`Coding | 37d... "brb" :) |
| 20:18.10 | chouimat | George`Coding: yup |
| 20:19.16 | George`Coding | --- [Tangent] idle 72:35:29, signon: Wed Apr 2 10:10:36 |
| 20:19.21 | George`Coding | hhrrrmppph |
| 20:30.38 | *** join/#zaurus ljp_work (~ljp@206.168.3.151) |
| 20:32.20 | *** join/#zaurus frankps (~fsilye@10.80-202-169.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:32.29 | frankps | hi all |
| 20:48.06 | *** join/#zaurus cronos22 (~Tester@pD9E2648D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:48.48 | s003apr | my zaurus is giving me an error when I try to install some programs on my SD media and I can only install them in my ram. Is this normal? anything I can do about it? |
| 20:50.13 | *** join/#zaurus rusty^_^ (~Rusty@217-127-179-4.uc.nombres.ttd.es) |
| 20:50.17 | rusty^_^ | hi |
| 20:50.31 | treke | s003apr: lemme guess your sd card is formatted vfat |
| 20:50.40 | rusty^_^ | anybody could tell me, some servers to put it in the package servers? |
| 20:51.07 | George`Coding | are there any tools for creating a feed out of a bunch of ipks? |
| 20:51.18 | treke | ipkg-make-index |
| 20:51.44 | treke | it's in the buildroot scripts directory or a part of ipkg-utils |
| 20:51.50 | George`Coding | k |
| 20:51.53 | rusty^_^ | i have the sharp default configuration |
| 20:51.55 | rusty^_^ | treke |
| 20:52.02 | rusty^_^ | do u know any server pls? |
| 20:52.07 | treke | rusty^_^: no |
| 20:52.15 | rusty^_^ | ok thx |
| 20:52.16 | George`Coding | rusty^_^: ZaurusZone |
| 20:52.19 | George`Coding | if it's still alive |
| 20:52.22 | rusty^_^ | ok |
| 20:52.28 | *** part/#zaurus cronos22 (~Tester@pD9E2648D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:52.28 | George`Coding | rusty^_^: opie.net.wox.org's feed |
| 20:52.35 | George`Coding | rusty^_^: if you want Opie |
| 20:52.41 | George`Coding | rusty^_^: there are also a few other feeds |
| 20:52.51 | rusty^_^ | ok |
| 20:53.03 | rusty^_^ | i have the original configuration |
| 20:53.09 | rusty^_^ | i get the device today |
| 20:53.10 | rusty^_^ | :P |
| 20:53.26 | *** join/#zaurus krezel (~mememe@166-90-245-44.ip2go.net) |
| 20:53.51 | s003apr | treke: don't know, just got it out of the box..some programs will work though, just most won't |
| 20:54.16 | treke | then it is formatted vfat. You need to reformat it ext2 |
| 20:55.19 | s003apr | treke: how can i do that? |
| 20:55.53 | George`Coding | s003apr: run fdisk on it, change the partition type to 83 (I think) which is "Linux Native" then run mke2fs on /dev/mmcda1 |
| 20:56.03 | George`Coding | s003apr: if you trash anything I don't take any responsibility |
| 20:56.09 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:56.12 | kergoth | you know whats annoying |
| 20:56.16 | George`Coding | kergoth: me |
| 20:56.16 | kergoth | is not being able to tell someone to rtfm |
| 20:56.20 | kergoth | because docs.zaurus.com is down |
| 20:56.24 | kergoth | and there is no FM |
| 20:56.25 | George`Coding | lmao |
| 20:56.52 | s003apr | George`Coding: so i need linux? |
| 20:56.53 | George`Coding | We apologize for the inconvenience but the Sharp Zaurus sites are down for maintenance. |
| 20:56.53 | George`Coding | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.53 | George`Coding | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.00 | George`Coding | s003apr: the Zaurus *runs* Linux |
| 20:57.19 | levi | kergoth: There's always RTFS |
| 20:57.35 | SirPsycho-work | dont they normally give you a book with this thing? |
| 20:57.40 | SirPsycho-work | =) |
| 20:57.46 | kergoth | the z manual didnt cover shit, really |
| 20:58.11 | chouimat | _psycho got a promotion? |
| 20:58.25 | SirPsycho-work | i was here first.. =) |
| 20:58.26 | s003apr | George`Coding: so does the zaurus have fdisk installed on it? |
| 20:58.31 | kergoth | different person afaik chouimat |
| 20:58.35 | chouimat | ok |
| 20:58.54 | chouimat | kergoth: that console irc client sucks but work well |
| 20:59.08 | kergoth | chouimat: irssi? |
| 20:59.14 | treke | ~lart chouimat |
| 20:59.15 | chouimat | kergoth: slirc |
| 20:59.19 | treke | oh ok |
| 20:59.26 | kergoth | oh, i was gonna say.. |
| 20:59.27 | treke | their aint nuttin wrong with irssi |
| 20:59.31 | kergoth | we'd have to kill you |
| 21:00.45 | zoid | can the gameboy color emu's for the Z play them as .zip's? |
| 21:00.50 | zoid | or do they need to be extracted? |
| 21:05.34 | s003apr | can anyone help me? how do i reformat my SD media? |
| 21:05.49 | kergoth | s003apr: george already told you |
| 21:07.22 | s003apr | he said run fdisk..but my zaurus does not have any way of running fdisk that i can see or a console for that matter...the wonderful ppl at Sharp also took down half the website the day I recieved my new zaurus |
| 21:07.50 | kergoth | install the console |
| 21:07.55 | kergoth | its on your cd you got with the pda |
| 21:08.31 | gabe | hell, install openzaurus while you're at it |
| 21:08.40 | s003apr | thx |
| 21:10.53 | noidd | checking version of arm-linux-gcc... 2.95.3, bad |
| 21:11.06 | kergoth | noidd: /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc exists? |
| 21:11.11 | kergoth | noidd: it works flawlessly here. |
| 21:11.12 | noidd | cunning method to force us to upgrade our toolchain |
| 21:12.19 | s003apr | gabe: I may try it sometime, but this is my first pda. I'd like to give the sharp rom a chance before i write it off :) |
| 21:13.13 | *** join/#zaurus medi (~kobs@f16m-5-123.d1.club-internet.fr) |
| 21:13.29 | noidd | kergoth: look at this: |
| 21:13.47 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.47 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.04 | kergoth | okay.. |
| 21:14.05 | noidd | This version i'm compoileing requires gcc 3.2+ |
| 21:14.12 | kergoth | what are you building? |
| 21:14.19 | noidd | glibc-2.3.1 |
| 21:14.24 | kergoth | of course |
| 21:14.30 | kergoth | you cant build glibc 2.3.1 with gcc2.x |
| 21:14.55 | kergoth | the answer is .. dont do that. |
| 21:14.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:14.57 | noidd | that would explain it then |
| 21:15.05 | kergoth | yep, build glibc 2.2.4 |
| 21:15.10 | noidd | i think i need to restore my old .config file |
| 21:15.20 | kergoth | cp def-configs/.. |
| 21:15.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:15.37 | George`Coding | kergoth: there's a FM to redirect people to :) |
| 21:15.40 | noidd | ibot, oz buildroot? |
| 21:15.40 | | hmm... oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 21:15.46 | George`Coding | kergoth: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ |
| 21:15.50 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.59 | kergoth | George`Coding: true |
| 21:16.07 | kergoth | George`Coding: can you stuff that url in ibot? |
| 21:16.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:16.12 | George`Coding | ibot faq |
| 21:16.13 | | no idea, George`Coding |
| 21:16.17 | George`Coding | ibot zaurus faq |
| 21:16.17 | | George`Coding: are you using Windows? |
| 21:16.24 | George`Coding | ibot faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ |
| 21:16.25 | | okay, George`Coding |
| 21:16.31 | George`Coding | ibot rtfm |
| 21:16.31 | | i heard rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual, or see RTFF, or STFW |
| 21:16.46 | George`Coding | ibot rtfm is also at see FAQ |
| 21:16.47 | | okay, George`Coding |
| 21:16.50 | George`Coding | ibot rtfm |
| 21:16.51 | | well, rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual, or see RTFF, or STFW, or at see FAQ |
| 21:17.06 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 21:17.19 | George`Coding | kergoth: happy? ;) |
| 21:17.24 | ljp_work | no |
| 21:17.25 | kergoth | yeah, thanks |
| 21:18.07 | George`Coding | ibot no, rtfm is (Read the Fucking Manual) so see factoid "FAQ" you stupid luser |
| 21:18.08 | | George`Coding: please, watch your language. |
| 21:18.14 | George`Coding | ibot rtfm |
| 21:18.14 | | somebody said rtfm was Read The F*cking Manual, or see RTFF, or STFW, or at see FAQ |
| 21:18.22 | George`Coding | ibot no, rtfm is (Read the F*cking Manual) so see factoid "FAQ" you stupid luser |
| 21:18.22 | | okay, George`Coding |
| 21:18.24 | George`Coding | ibot rtfm |
| 21:18.25 | | rtfm is, like, (Read the F*cking Manual) so see factoid "FAQ" you stupid luser |
| 21:18.31 | s003apr | Does anybody know an alternative place where i can get the fdisk ipk? It's normally at docs.zaurus.com which is down. |
| 21:18.36 | ljp_work | obviously, you arent in school |
| 21:18.41 | kergoth | s003apr: zsi. |
| 21:18.43 | George`Coding | s003apr: openzaurus feeds |
| 21:18.45 | kergoth | s003apr: killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 21:18.55 | ljp_work | I got one from the familair feed |
| 21:18.59 | chouimat | ljp_work: yup I miss when George`Coding is in school |
| 21:19.00 | George`Coding | ibot tell s003apr about rtfm |
| 21:19.01 | George`Coding | :) |
| 21:19.18 | George`Coding | chouimat: I don't come online at school anymore |
| 21:19.24 | George`Coding | chouimat: they closed down the CGI:IRC route |
| 21:19.35 | chouimat | George`Coding: too much abuse |
| 21:19.44 | George`Coding | chouimat: by you, not me |
| 21:20.03 | chouimat | George`Coding: i'm sure they don't care if it's from us or you |
| 21:20.11 | George`Coding | opie compile failed :( |
| 21:20.22 | George`Coding | chouimat: no, they probably don't |
| 21:20.23 | s003apr | kergoth: killefiz.de is where I got the link for fdisk :( |
| 21:20.28 | George`Coding | chouimat: I'm on the admin's "HATE LIST" at the mo' |
| 21:20.34 | George`Coding | chouimat: they think I'm a threat to the network |
| 21:20.41 | chouimat | George`Coding: haha |
| 21:20.41 | kergoth | s003apr: ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 21:20.43 | George`Coding | chouimat: no matter *HOW* clean my records are |
| 21:20.54 | treke | George`Coding: we think you are a threat to the gene pool |
| 21:20.57 | treke | just not a very big one |
| 21:20.58 | George`Coding | heh |
| 21:21.12 | chouimat | lol |
| 21:21.17 | George`Coding | "Why the hell are you connecting up to our network on 192.168.1.3?!?!? You've been hacking!!!!!!" |
| 21:21.26 | George`Coding | "uhh.. that's my IP address at home..." |
| 21:21.33 | s003apr | kergoth: thanks |
| 21:21.42 | George`Coding | "NO! You're hacking!!!" |
| 21:21.42 | chouimat | George`Coding: hmmm very competent admin :) |
| 21:21.57 | George`Coding | chouimat: complete ASSHOLE of an admin |
| 21:22.00 | George`Coding | he's a fascist |
| 21:22.11 | chouimat | George`Coding: :) |
| 21:22.23 | George`Coding | he doesn't seem to want to NOTICE the fact that the only server in the school that nobody's managed to hack is the proxy server running linux |
| 21:22.25 | *** join/#zaurus posxi4 (~dolemite@host4.rpi.wulimasters.net) |
| 21:22.38 | George`Coding | the rest are all running Win2k server, and have all been hacked |
| 21:22.52 | chouimat | George`Coding: from the windows school of sysadmin? click click click |
| 21:23.00 | George`Coding | heh |
| 21:23.01 | ljp_work | George`Coding: you dont even know what a fascist is |
| 21:23.06 | George`Coding | ljp_work: yes I do |
| 21:23.13 | ljp_work | uh huh. |
| 21:23.25 | posxi4 | Is their anyway to get my zaurus to have a usb hostport? Like could a cable have an inline uhci or ohci? |
| 21:23.37 | George`Coding | posxi4: not afaik |
| 21:23.46 | ljp_work | nope. no usb host on zaurus |
| 21:23.52 | George`Coding | posxi4: there's always the cf route |
| 21:24.02 | posxi4 | ye |
| 21:24.09 | George`Coding | posxi4: It's theoretically possible to put a USB host on a CF card |
| 21:24.10 | ljp_work | ya, good frickin luck finding a driver |
| 21:24.17 | chouimat | ljp_work: the gp32 had one host port :) |
| 21:24.30 | ljp_work | the vercel has a usb host |
| 21:24.35 | posxi4 | the nec mobilepro300 |
| 21:24.39 | posxi4 | has one |
| 21:24.41 | George`Coding | ibot vercel |
| 21:24.42 | | extra, extra, read all about it, vercel is http://www.vercel.com/ or a SA1110/1111 pda with included keyboard targetting $350 USD retail. or the coolest thing since sliced cheese or http://www.cesweb.org/awards/inn_images/685/vercelm1.jpg |
| 21:24.49 | ljp_work | ha |
| 21:24.50 | posxi4 | it is basically a zaurus for 225 with audio in and a usb hostport |
| 21:24.51 | ljp_work | ha ha ha |
| 21:25.16 | ljp_work | ibot: vercel is also vaporware |
| 21:25.17 | | ljp_work: okay |
| 21:25.42 | George`Coding | hrmm |
| 21:25.48 | George`Coding | so when will the vercel be released then? |
| 21:26.33 | posxi4 | the nec thing i refed is out now |
| 21:27.25 | George`Coding | ibot seen tcman |
| 21:27.27 | | tcman <~dominik@adsl-64-164-8-252.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 22h 6m 42s ago, saying: 'gotta go shopping, see you guys'. |
| 21:27.28 | ljp_work | George`Coding: vaporware |
| 21:27.39 | George`Coding | ljp_work: ya ya, I know |
| 21:27.55 | ljp_work | although, I have a vercel prototype sitting on my desk at home |
| 21:28.30 | George`Coding | ljp_work: what's it like? |
| 21:28.31 | ljp_work | it would be a nice machine |
| 21:28.35 | George`Coding | ljp_work: screen res? |
| 21:28.41 | George`Coding | ljp_work: CPU freq? |
| 21:28.46 | George`Coding | ljp_work: ram/rom? |
| 21:28.53 | ljp_work | same as zaurus, although the screen is the other way, like a c700 |
| 21:29.04 | George`Coding | ahh |
| 21:29.06 | ljp_work | usb host & client |
| 21:29.18 | ljp_work | touted for multimedia and games |
| 21:29.32 | *** join/#zaurus TCMAN (~dominik@fwsc1.ati.com) |
| 21:29.35 | ljp_work | or paperweight |
| 21:29.50 | TCMAN | hi |
| 21:29.56 | ljp_work | hi |
| 21:29.56 | TCMAN | my netgear ma701 just died |
| 21:30.04 | ljp_work | hmm bummer |
| 21:30.10 | TCMAN | no light, doesnt work either in notebook or z |
| 21:30.17 | George`Coding | TCMAN: we need to talk |
| 21:30.55 | ljp_work | ohh, aint that sweet |
| 21:31.10 | George`Coding | ljp_work: bah |
| 21:31.17 | ljp_work | :D |
| 21:31.58 | posxi4 | does the zaurus support the voyager ? |
| 21:32.02 | ivan | great now i ordered the G2 screen protector and am waiting for the refund on my nushield |
| 21:32.11 | ivan | hope those scam artists didn't ship it yet |
| 21:32.23 | TCMAN | damn, gotta go to frys and buy another one |
| 21:32.41 | TCMAN | let this be lesson to you kids, dont keep this kind of crap in your pocket |
| 21:34.26 | TCMAN | wow, this netgear cf wifi card is pretty tightly packed inside |
| 21:34.29 | ivan | so you put it in your pocket and jumped across a road falling on your side? |
| 21:35.28 | s003apr | kergoth: I am having trouble with that fdisk ipk as well, I can download it but it will not show up on my install programs menu. Any other suggestions? |
| 21:35.57 | kergoth | it doesnt show up because its the new ipk format |
| 21:36.00 | kergoth | i have no other suggestions |
| 21:36.07 | ljp_work | un ar/targz it ans stick the fdisk binary somewhere |
| 21:36.34 | ljp_work | I have my arm fdisk flaoting around my home somewhere |
| 21:36.58 | TCMAN | ivan: i dont know, i just walked around with it for couple days |
| 21:37.15 | TCMAN | maybe its a static charge, maybe i bent it a little |
| 21:37.47 | s003apr | what are the "new" ipk formats? do they only work with 5600 or OZ or something? |
| 21:37.54 | kergoth | they work with OZ and familiar |
| 21:37.58 | kergoth | not with any sahrp rom |
| 21:38.08 | kergoth | they're 'ar' archives |
| 21:38.12 | kergoth | you can extract them manually |
| 21:38.49 | George`Coding | yo mark |
| 21:39.10 | s003apr | LOL, now I can see why everyone is saying that everyone should switch to OZ |
| 21:39.25 | kergoth | It Sucks Less (tm) |
| 21:39.41 | *** part/#zaurus rusty^_^ (~Rusty@217-127-179-4.uc.nombres.ttd.es) |
| 21:39.51 | George`Coding | kergoth: erm |
| 21:40.00 | George`Coding | kergoth: just out of wonder, why DID they change the ipk format? |
| 21:40.09 | kergoth | because the old one was inefficient |
| 21:40.09 | George`Coding | kergoth: and how _does_ it Suck Less (TM)? |
| 21:40.12 | kergoth | and wasted cpu cycles |
| 21:40.21 | kergoth | old format: data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz within tar.gz |
| 21:40.25 | kergoth | gzipping twice wastes cpu cycles |
| 21:40.28 | kergoth | and actually increases size |
| 21:40.40 | kergoth | new format: data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz within ar |
| 21:41.00 | George`Coding | kergoth: ok, what's the difference? :) |
| 21:41.11 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:41.14 | kergoth | jesus christ |
| 21:41.16 | kergoth | ar isnt compressed |
| 21:41.21 | kergoth | its an archive |
| 21:41.27 | kergoth | closer to tar, than gz |
| 21:41.35 | kergoth | its gzipping twice thats the problem |
| 21:41.40 | kergoth | so it no longer does |
| 21:41.55 | George`Coding | kergoth: oh, I always thought ar was a compressed archive |
| 21:41.59 | George`Coding | kergoth: sorry |
| 21:43.14 | *** join/#zaurus SuperH (gar@cary-f-240.resnet.purdue.edu) |
| 21:44.37 | mark | George`Coding: fool :) |
| 21:44.48 | George`Coding | mark: shut it ;) |
| 21:44.58 | SuperH | has anyone set up virtual private networking on their Zaurus? |
| 21:51.52 | *** join/#zaurus levi_ (~levi@ash.lnxi.com) |
| 21:53.02 | ivan | so does the 5600 suck right now because you can't use any existing software? |
| 21:53.18 | chouimat| | ? |
| 21:53.20 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:53.21 | chouimat| | ? |
| 21:53.27 | kergoth | you can use existing software just fine |
| 21:53.30 | treke | ivan: uhm you can use all existing software |
| 21:53.34 | ivan | well it's a different proccessor, right? |
| 21:53.41 | kergoth | get a clue, _then_ speak |
| 21:53.48 | kergoth | its armv5, which can run armv4 binaries |
| 21:53.51 | chouimat | kergoth: haha |
| 21:54.06 | treke | yes. just like a p4 is a different processor from a p2 |
| 21:54.17 | kergoth | ivan: same _architecture_, different _cpu_ |
| 21:54.27 | chouimat | or a 68060 is different from a 68k |
| 21:54.37 | George`Coding | kergoth: can you have a same _cpu_ different _architecture_? ;) |
| 21:54.50 | chouimat | ~lart George`Coding |
| 21:54.55 | kergoth | ~fishslap George`Coding |
| 21:54.57 | | ACTION slaps George`Coding up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:54.59 | chouimat | ~lart George`Coding |
| 21:55.02 | George`Coding | woot |
| 21:55.47 | *** join/#zaurus mithro_ (~tim@dsl1-83.gw1.adl1.airnet.com.au) |
| 22:01.02 | *** join/#zaurus krezel_ (~mememe@166-90-245-44.ip2go.net) |
| 22:01.16 | krezel_ | Did you guys get that link? |
| 22:01.19 | *** join/#zaurus nishi (~nishi@nishi-linux.cisco.com) |
| 22:02.03 | krezel_ | ~lart krezel |
| 22:02.07 | krezel_ | heh |
| 22:02.55 | *** join/#zaurus bobbyd (ayymle@pc2-broo3-3-cust112.renf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:02.59 | bobbyd | hi |
| 22:03.00 | krezel_ | ~lart housemates that reset the DSL modem without telling anyone |
| 22:03.46 | krezel_ | ~lart EECS seniors that can't write code that works |
| 22:04.19 | nishi | hello folks |
| 22:04.29 | bobbyd | hi |
| 22:04.30 | bobbyd | does anyone know if it's possible to install debian by copying the install files to a hard disc? |
| 22:04.45 | krezel_ | bobbyd: got a network card? |
| 22:04.48 | bobbyd | yup |
| 22:05.01 | nishi | I'd like to now if the 5600 is available in retail stores in the Bay Area yet ? IF so, which one |
| 22:05.01 | bobbyd | i want to do a network install |
| 22:05.03 | krezel_ | just use netinst |
| 22:05.15 | bobbyd | krezel: how do i do that? |
| 22:05.16 | krezel_ | can you boot from a floppy or CD? |
| 22:05.22 | bobbyd | hehe |
| 22:05.23 | bobbyd | nope |
| 22:05.26 | bobbyd | that's the problem |
| 22:05.29 | krezel | what can you boot to? |
| 22:05.34 | bobbyd | harddisc |
| 22:05.44 | bobbyd | but i can write to it with a different machine |
| 22:05.50 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.00 | treke | and I think that's the paddle on shore |
| 22:06.00 | George`Coding | ibot: incompetance? |
| 22:06.01 | | that would be kergoth *RTFM RTFM RTFM RTFM* |
| 22:06.04 | krezel | You might be able to use loadlin to boot a kernel from dos, and have it load a root partition elsewhere on the disk |
| 22:06.12 | raceme | bobbyd: there is a thing called debstrap for this purpose |
| 22:06.28 | bobbyd | George`Coding: i'm incompetent? |
| 22:06.37 | bobbyd | raceme: ok i'll check it out |
| 22:06.38 | George`Coding | bobbyd: no |
| 22:06.40 | bobbyd | ahh |
| 22:06.43 | George`Coding | bobbyd: kergoth is :) |
| 22:07.33 | *** join/#zaurus Shdwdrgn (Picard@sourpuss.net) |
| 22:07.34 | bobbyd | raceme: google search for debstrap yields 0 results... |
| 22:07.35 | raceme | bobbyd: get the base.tar.gz on your machine, mount your partition and call deboostrap on that mount point. Then you'll have a base install. Then you can call lilo -R to chroot it in your new system |
| 22:07.45 | bobbyd | ok |
| 22:08.13 | raceme | bobbyd: debootstrap sorry i tyyped too fast :) |
| 22:08.20 | bobbyd | ok thanks |
| 22:09.23 | bobbyd | ok one last question, why should i choose debian over suse? |
| 22:11.13 | raceme | because it's rock solid, free software, cooperative, etc... |
| 22:11.39 | krezel | bobbyd: because debian gets the ladies |
| 22:11.42 | bobbyd | isnt suse free? |
| 22:11.47 | bobbyd | krezel: oh well in that case! |
| 22:11.57 | krezel | debian's gotten me laid 3 times this week |
| 22:12.03 | bobbyd | heh |
| 22:12.22 | SuperH | ~lart programs that the zaurus installs with ipkg that work on one OZ installation, but the same installer will not create a working program on another OZ, regardless of there being the same libraries installed and the same OZ version |
| 22:12.46 | SuperH | but OZ is better than windows |
| 22:12.51 | George`Coding | SuperH: flood alert!!! |
| 22:13.39 | SuperH | hey, maybe one of you could help me... i have a windows type problem here |
| 22:14.05 | SuperH | i install zbedic, and go to load it and an hour glass shows, then disappears, and no program |
| 22:14.37 | SuperH | its weird |
| 22:14.56 | George`Coding | BLAH.. Opie is still bloody compiling |
| 22:15.01 | SuperH | i had similar problems when i started using linux (mandrake) |
| 22:15.14 | SuperH | that's a reason i quit using it |
| 22:15.33 | SuperH | mandrake, that is |
| 22:15.47 | SuperH | rpmdrake just installed programs that didn't quite execute |
| 22:15.48 | mark | George`Coding: /nick George`StillNotCoding |
| 22:15.48 | krezel | George`Coding: werent you complaining about that like 3 hours ago |
| 22:15.54 | George`Coding | mark: hehe |
| 22:16.02 | SuperH | my same problem? |
| 22:16.10 | George`Coding | krezel: yes |
| 22:16.17 | George`Coding | krezel: I was complaining about it about 6 hours ago too |
| 22:16.23 | krezel | yikes |
| 22:16.30 | nishi | guys, plz let me know if the SL-5600 is available in Bay Area retail stores yet ? |
| 22:16.41 | nishi | if any of you have bought it here ? |
| 22:16.45 | krezel | George`Coding: /nick GeorgeNeedsToNotCompileOnA386? |
| 22:16.45 | George`Coding | krezel: 450MHz K6-2 with 64KB cache |
| 22:17.11 | George`Coding | krezel: I'm not actually sure why I didn't compile it on my 2GHz Athlon |
| 22:17.22 | *** join/#zaurus krezel[laptop] (~ItsME@166-90-245-44.ip2go.net) |
| 22:17.25 | krezel | heh |
| 22:17.30 | krezel | I want to play with distcc |
| 22:19.06 | zoid | can the gameboy color emu's for the Z play them as .zip's? |
| 22:19.08 | zoid | or do they need to be extracted? |
| 22:19.17 | treke | they need to be extracted |
| 22:19.36 | zoid | bah, that sucks |
| 22:20.08 | zoid | treke: you play gbc roms often? |
| 22:20.14 | treke | no |
| 22:20.19 | ivan | how long is battery life when sleeping? |
| 22:20.24 | zoid | if so, what's the best emu for the Z? (i've got a few different one's installed) |
| 22:20.39 | zoid | ivan: a long time |
| 22:21.12 | ivan | over 24 hours? |
| 22:21.41 | zoid | yeah, as long as you have some charge left in your battery |
| 22:22.21 | zoid | even if the Z wouldn't power on (because your battery was so low) i bet it would still be able to sleep for 24 hours, heh |
| 22:22.52 | treke | thats the whole point of the backup battery |
| 22:23.00 | treke | the power ram even when it cant power the pda |
| 22:23.41 | *** join/#zaurus PorkySpine (~PorkySpin@213.58.33.51) |
| 22:24.02 | *** join/#zaurus chouimat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 22:25.21 | *** join/#zaurus rev|lib (~rev|lib@l1301bd099.d.umn.edu) |
| 22:26.59 | rev|lib | anyone know what range of power the Z can take via the DC in? |
| 22:27.05 | rev|lib | that is, what would be safe? |
| 22:27.37 | bobbyd | where would be the best place to learn about setting debian up as a web server securely |
| 22:27.50 | bobbyd | what's a good book to buy/site to read |
| 22:27.58 | raceme | bobbyd: #debian ? http://www.debian.org/ddp/ ? |
| 22:29.33 | raceme | secure debian as a webserver is easy: base system + apache and nothing else + security advisory checking. |
| 22:30.51 | *** join/#zaurus OctaneZ (~octanez@adsl-64-108-99-133.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 22:35.55 | rev|lib | there is a diference between OPIE and OZ, right? |
| 22:36.14 | OctaneZ | rev|lib: yes |
| 22:36.19 | OctaneZ | rev|lib: it's in the FAQ |
| 22:36.34 | OctaneZ | rev|lib: opie is the UI OZ is the distribution |
| 22:36.40 | OctaneZ | ah |
| 22:36.54 | rev|lib | and nano |
| 22:37.03 | rev|lib | :) |
| 22:37.49 | OctaneZ | rev|lib: what kind of CF cards are you using for networking? |
| 22:38.28 | rev|lib | i have a WCF12 card, but it doesn't work worth a damn |
| 22:38.33 | rev|lib | :/ |
| 22:38.40 | rev|lib | in either my Z or my Axim |
| 22:38.49 | rev|lib | shows up as eth0, but never gets an IP |
| 22:39.08 | OctaneZ | odd |
| 22:39.14 | rev|lib | on the Axim, it worked initially, but no longer does- even though it does show that the WAP is found and that it is getting an 80% signal strength |
| 22:39.23 | rev|lib | but i've never gotten it working on the Z |
| 22:39.32 | rev|lib | even when i manually try running dhcpcd eth0 |
| 22:39.36 | rev|lib | grr |
| 22:40.32 | darius_ | rev|lib: I have a wfc12 .. works ok here |
| 22:40.36 | rev|lib | bummer |
| 22:40.38 | rev|lib | i mean |
| 22:40.40 | rev|lib | good for you |
| 22:40.49 | rev|lib | i wonder if my WCF12 card itself is defective or if i am missing a step |
| 22:41.05 | rev|lib | i mean, as long as the card is recognized, it should just work when i put it in, right? |
| 22:41.15 | darius_ | yeah |
| 22:41.15 | rev|lib | as long as i've got it setup to not use manual tcp/ip,e tc? |
| 22:41.28 | darius_ | yeah |
| 22:41.36 | darius_ | did you change the 1 configuration file? |
| 22:41.38 | levi | I have a WCF12, and I occasionally have a hard time getting things to work right. |
| 22:41.47 | rev|lib | and it's not just my WAP- i've tried it at home and two different places at school (two seperate hubs/waps) |
| 22:41.49 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 22:41.52 | levi | Not sure exactly why it doesn't work sometimes. |
| 22:42.01 | rev|lib | funny thing is, i made the change at first in wlan-ng.conf |
| 22:42.03 | darius_ | it's flaky to disconnect |
| 22:42.22 | rev|lib | and it did the thing where it shows up as eth0, but never grabs an IP- there just isn't an entry for IP in 'ifconfig eth0' |
| 22:42.24 | darius_ | I go through the motions of bringing it down through the applet |
| 22:42.34 | darius_ | unplugging it |
| 22:42.38 | darius_ | er taking it out |
| 22:42.38 | OctaneZ | rev|lib: you are bringing the card up after PCMCIA loads, right? |
| 22:42.42 | darius_ | turning off the PDA |
| 22:42.44 | darius_ | turning on the PDA |
| 22:42.45 | darius_ | etc |
| 22:42.59 | rev|lib | octanez: i am leavintg the card in for the entire boot |
| 22:43.09 | rev|lib | darius: is there a WCF12-specific applet? |
| 22:43.11 | darius_ | but it comes up and grabs an IP without effort when I plug it in |
| 22:43.17 | darius_ | revlib: no |
| 22:43.27 | darius_ | revlib: I just mean the standard pcmcia applet |
| 22:43.33 | darius_ | I'm using Sharp's rom btw |
| 22:43.59 | rev|lib | me too |
| 22:44.20 | darius_ | well, just letting you know that it works somewhere else :) |
| 22:44.32 | darius_ | actually, I share the card with my wife who also has a Zaurus 5500 |
| 22:44.44 | rev|lib | ah |
| 22:45.12 | rev|lib | it does bring up the little PCMCIA card in the applet-bar, yes |
| 22:45.18 | rev|lib | cardctl ident identifies it properly |
| 22:45.32 | rev|lib | and when i plug it in, it does create an eth0 that is not there when it is not plugged in |
| 22:45.42 | rev|lib | but it doesn't bring up any wireless applet-bar applets |
| 22:46.05 | rev|lib | the odd thing is that it also doesn't work well in my PocketPC (just won it onfriday, curiously enough) |
| 22:46.06 | darius_ | no, I don't have a wireless applet |
| 22:46.11 | rev|lib | i've even reinstalled drivers |
| 22:46.23 | darius_ | In the Network/Sync control pannel |
| 22:46.28 | darius_ | did you add a Lan Service? |
| 22:47.07 | *** join/#zaurus warmi (~www@dsl092-131-081.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 22:47.10 | rev|lib | yup i did |
| 22:47.31 | darius_ | did you try manually assigning an IP? |
| 22:47.51 | rev|lib | nope |
| 22:47.59 | *** join/#zaurus hobbs (mom@port-96-133-tnt01.avoca.nni.com) |
| 22:48.13 | darius_ | I would try that .. just to deliniate whether the dhcp client is a problem |
| 22:48.18 | rev|lib | ah ok |
| 22:48.19 | rev|lib | good try |
| 22:48.24 | darius_ | kind of a divide and conquer thing |
| 22:48.27 | rev|lib | yup |
| 22:48.31 | bobbyd | hmm |
| 22:48.35 | rev|lib | i guess i kind of assumed the WAP wouldn't dig it |
| 22:48.36 | rev|lib | but i'll try |
| 22:48.43 | bobbyd | i'm a bit unclear on how debian will install over my ntl cable modem |
| 22:48.49 | darius_ | the dhcp client bothers me .. it crashes on occasion |
| 22:48.50 | bobbyd | what info do i need to collect |
| 22:49.05 | bobbyd | ntl's ip... |
| 22:51.08 | rev|lib | that sucks |
| 22:52.42 | George`Coding | bobbyd: hrmm? |
| 22:53.20 | bobbyd | George`Coding: ok, i stick the network cable from my cable modem into my ne2000 nic |
| 22:53.30 | bobbyd | and i boot the 'rescue' floppy |
| 22:53.47 | bobbyd | how does it know where to get the files from? |
| 22:53.53 | bobbyd | i dont really see how it works |
| 22:53.54 | George`Coding | I dunno |
| 22:53.57 | bobbyd | ahh |
| 22:53.59 | George`Coding | Never used Debian |
| 22:53.59 | bobbyd | ok |
| 22:55.26 | OctaneZ | anyone using a 10/100T card with their zaurus? |
| 22:55.46 | George`Coding | OctaneZ: what's the question? |
| 22:56.10 | OctaneZ | George`Coding: if you are using a 10/100T CF card with your zaurus? |
| 22:56.38 | George`Coding | OctaneZ: yah |
| 22:56.45 | George`Coding | OctaneZ: I don't have one, just may be able to help |
| 22:57.50 | OctaneZ | George`Coding: I am trying to find out what ones are supported, as I am in the market for one |
| 22:57.59 | George`Coding | OctaneZ: hrmm |
| 22:58.05 | George`Coding | OctaneZ: first, don't get a 10/100 one |
| 22:58.11 | George`Coding | OctaneZ: get a 10BaseT |
| 22:58.28 | George`Coding | OctaneZ: the CF bus isn't capable of the data transfer for 100BaseTX |
| 22:58.48 | OctaneZ | George`Coding: Unfortanetly I will need 10/100 as I know some of the places I will be connecting will have 100TX and no option for 10T |
| 22:59.00 | George`Coding | hrmm |
| 22:59.36 | kergoth | OctaneZ: 10/100 cf cards exist? name one, i'll tell you if i've heard its supported |
| 22:59.54 | George`Coding | yo kergoth |
| 23:00.07 | OctaneZ | kergoth: Trendware te-cf100 |
| 23:00.40 | kergoth | OctaneZ: fairly certain itd be supported by pcnet_cs. read the linux pcmcia-cs site |
| 23:00.52 | kergoth | OctaneZ: this is just linux. if its supported by linux pcmcia, it shoudl be supported by the Z. |
| 23:01.07 | George`Coding | http://www.myzaurus.com/acc_Serial4.asp |
| 23:01.08 | George`Coding | woot |
| 23:01.31 | OctaneZ | kergoth: great, thanks |
| 23:01.50 | kergoth | bleh |
| 23:03.30 | TCMAN | i have trendware too |
| 23:03.41 | OctaneZ | TCMAN: and success with it? |
| 23:03.55 | TCMAN | OctaneZ: i plugged it in and it work |
| 23:03.56 | TCMAN | s |
| 23:04.11 | OctaneZ | TCMAN: yeah, I'd call that success, what zImage are you using? |
| 23:04.22 | TCMAN | 64-0 |
| 23:04.23 | kergoth | dont you mean what rom? |
| 23:04.27 | TCMAN | OctaneZ: oz 3.2 |
| 23:04.30 | George`Coding | ibot tell kergoth about incompetance |
| 23:04.35 | kergoth | what zimage are you using is a useless question |
| 23:04.42 | TCMAN | it uses pcnet/-cs |
| 23:04.47 | TCMAN | it uses pcnet_cs |
| 23:06.41 | *** join/#zaurus jwiz (~jwiz@adsl-67-116-8-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 23:06.47 | George`Coding | kergoth: Opie is still compiling *yawn* |
| 23:06.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:06.59 | kergoth | MONDAYS SUCK |
| 23:07.01 | kergoth | god |
| 23:07.06 | George`Coding | kergoth: it's tuesday here ;) |
| 23:07.06 | kergoth | nothing has gone right today |
| 23:07.07 | kergoth | nothing |
| 23:07.24 | TCMAN | George`Coding: tuesdays suck too :) |
| 23:07.30 | George`Coding | kergoth: for one, you didn't die |
| 23:07.36 | TCMAN | kergoth: tell me about it, my netgear ma701 died |
| 23:07.41 | kergoth | TCMAN: ouch |
| 23:07.47 | George`Coding | TCMAN: you're telling me! I have double Classical Greek at school on a tuesday |
| 23:07.47 | rev|lib | trying to have constructive conversations while working at the circulation desk at the library blows |
| 23:07.50 | TCMAN | its pretty cool inside though |
| 23:07.51 | George`Coding | TCMAN: it's SOOOO boring |
| 23:07.55 | rev|lib | as soon as you're into something useful BAM a bunch of people show up |
| 23:08.39 | TCMAN | rev|lib: what are you doing at the library ? |
| 23:09.15 | rev|lib | i have two jobs at the library; this one now i am just a resserve desk grunt |
| 23:09.18 | rev|lib | check stuff out to people |
| 23:09.31 | *** join/#zaurus duplexer_wifi (~GMF@user-2ivemvq.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 23:10.26 | George`Coding | how fucking long does Opie take?!?!?!!?!? |
| 23:10.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:10.58 | TCMAN | George`Coding: you need faster computer :) |
| 23:11.17 | George`Coding | TCMAN: I have one |
| 23:11.23 | TCMAN | rev|lib: work or punishment ? :))) |
| 23:11.27 | George`Coding | TCMAN: it's just that it's being repaired CONTINUOUSLY |
| 23:11.34 | George`Coding | ~lart Apple Computers |
| 23:11.38 | TCMAN | George`Coding: obviously its not fast enough |
| 23:11.44 | George`Coding | ~lart Apple Computers |
| 23:11.54 | George`Coding | ~lart Apple Computers |
| 23:12.04 | George`Coding | evil evil evil SODS |
| 23:12.11 | TCMAN | George`Coding: yoy got your tibook back ? |
| 23:12.30 | George`Coding | TCMAN: apparently not |
| 23:12.36 | George`Coding | ~bitchslap Apple |
| 23:12.37 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Apple |
| 23:12.41 | George`Coding | ~fishslap Apple |
| 23:12.42 | | ACTION slaps Apple up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:12.43 | TCMAN | George`Coding: so what do you use ? |
| 23:12.44 | George`Coding | ~kill Apple |
| 23:12.46 | | ACTION slits Apple's throat |
| 23:13.01 | George`Coding | TCMAN: this old Compaq Presario, 450MHz K6-2 64KB Cache |
| 23:13.07 | George`Coding | ~lart Apple |
| 23:13.13 | George`Coding | ~kill Apple |
| 23:13.14 | | ACTION slits Apple's throat |
| 23:13.26 | kergoth | George`Coding: you may as well let that shit go overnight on that box :P |
| 23:13.39 | George`Coding | kergoth: it's been going for like, 8 hours! |
| 23:13.51 | George`Coding | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/george/Work/Zaurus/OpieSDK/opie/noncore/games/mindbreaker' |
| 23:13.56 | George`Coding | hrmrph |
| 23:13.57 | *** join/#zaurus polin8 (~polin8@pool-141-157-23-220.balt.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:17.34 | *** join/#zaurus ljp (~ljp@tq0203.peakpeak.com) |
| 23:18.56 | *** join/#zaurus Locutus4242 (~zaphrod@66-75-31-152.san.rr.com) |
| 23:19.42 | George`Coding | ibot kergoth is at http://www.geocities.com/kergoth/chris3-1.jpg |
| 23:19.43 | | cannot alter locked factoids, George`Coding |
| 23:19.43 | | George`Coding: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:19.52 | George`Coding | pile of shit |
| 23:20.11 | George`Coding | (ibot, not kergoth) |
| 23:22.36 | duplexer_wifi | ibot stfu :) |
| 23:22.36 | | duplexer_wifi: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:22.51 | George`Coding | http://www.geocities.com/kergoth/chris2.jpg |
| 23:22.52 | George`Coding | hahaha |
| 23:23.06 | duplexer_wifi | Took ya long enough :p |
| 23:23.15 | George`Coding | duplexer_wifi: hrmm? |
| 23:23.15 | kergoth | wtf, i forgot that site existed |
| 23:23.19 | kergoth | howd you find that? |
| 23:23.21 | duplexer_wifi | He has a 15 second lag :p |
| 23:23.25 | George`Coding | kergoth: uhm |
| 23:23.25 | darienm | Who is that? |
| 23:23.32 | George`Coding | darienm: kergoth :) |
| 23:23.36 | darienm | For real? |
| 23:23.39 | kergoth | thats me, few years back |
| 23:23.39 | George`Coding | darienm: yes |
| 23:23.40 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:23.40 | darienm | Yikes |
| 23:23.43 | kergoth | yikes? |
| 23:23.45 | duplexer_wifi | me |
| 23:23.45 | duplexer_wifi | It's me :) |
| 23:23.46 | George`Coding | rofl |
| 23:23.47 | kergoth | fuck you too |
| 23:23.47 | darienm | Where is the unstable feed? |
| 23:23.57 | George`Coding | kergoth: nah, you're not that bad |
| 23:24.02 | George`Coding | kergoth: you're not as bad as me :) |
| 23:24.10 | kergoth | 'yikes' |
| 23:24.14 | darienm | aqpkg cant find the unstable feed where it thinks it should be. |
| 23:24.22 | kergoth | unstable is right whre it is |
| 23:24.29 | George`Coding | kergoth: being a unix techie, you would know that is INCORRECT |
| 23:24.29 | kergoth | but you'll have a hard time using the packages at the moment |
| 23:24.36 | George`Coding | kergoth: It's 'Yikes' :) |
| 23:24.38 | chouimat | George`Coding: can you stop being annoying for 10 minutes |
| 23:24.39 | darienm | There's no 'Packages' file in Unstable. |
| 23:24.45 | kergoth | darienm: ? |
| 23:24.46 | darienm | Is that correct? |
| 23:24.49 | duplexer_wifi | Where's that? |
| 23:24.50 | kergoth | darienm: thats not correct. |
| 23:24.51 | darienm | Does a feed need a 'Packages' file? |
| 23:24.55 | kergoth | yes |
| 23:24.57 | George`Coding | darienm: yes |
| 23:25.18 | kergoth | http://www.geocities.com/kergoth/chris2.jpg |
| 23:25.18 | George`Coding | http://intranet.harrowschool.org.uk/houses/Newlands/images/Tour/C13.jpg <-- I'm the dude nearest the camera |
| 23:25.20 | kergoth | er |
| 23:25.21 | kergoth | wrong url |
| 23:25.24 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/Packages |
| 23:25.27 | kergoth | packages is just fine |
| 23:25.31 | George`Coding | lmao |
| 23:25.38 | kergoth | damn windows |
| 23:25.42 | kergoth | it should copy what i highlight damnit! |
| 23:25.44 | George`Coding | kergoth: nice typo ;) |
| 23:25.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:25.59 | *** join/#zaurus SP-home (~sirpsycho@adsl-216-62-158-119.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 23:26.14 | George`Coding | kergoth: I look worse than you, though (http://intranet.harrowschool.org.uk/houses/Newlands/images/Tour/C13.jpg) |
| 23:26.39 | kergoth | damn you're young |
| 23:26.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:26.49 | George`Coding | kergoth: I'm nearest the cam |
| 23:26.56 | George`Coding | kergoth: and that's my FUCKING tibook |
| 23:26.59 | kergoth | yeah you said that |
| 23:27.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:27.17 | George`Coding | lol |
| 23:27.22 | darius_ | haha |
| 23:27.27 | darius_ | Reminds me of Harry Potter ;) |
| 23:27.27 | George`Coding | *****YIKES***** |
| 23:27.34 | George`Coding | darius_: who? |
| 23:27.40 | darius_ | you |
| 23:27.42 | George`Coding | FFS |
| 23:27.47 | darius_ | well .. you, your room |
| 23:27.48 | George`Coding | Why does EVERYONE say I look like HP?!?!?! |
| 23:27.51 | darius_ | the .UK |
| 23:28.04 | darius_ | just plays into the steriotype I have in my head :) |
| 23:28.06 | darienm | George`Coding YIKES ! |
| 23:28.22 | George`Coding | darienm: 4YIKES |
| 23:28.25 | *** kick/#zaurus [darienm!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (YIKES) |
| 23:28.25 | *** join/#zaurus darienm (~darien@205.243.147.8) |
| 23:28.31 | darius_ | everybody in the UK is Harry Potterish in my mind now :) |
| 23:28.34 | darienm | kicked for Yikes? |
| 23:28.38 | George`Coding | lol |
| 23:28.42 | darienm | eat me |
| 23:28.42 | George`Coding | kergoth: lol, calm down ;) |
| 23:28.47 | ivan | hi, i'm hawwy pottah |
| 23:29.00 | George`Coding | harry: go to hell |
| 23:29.14 | George`Coding | darius_: Harry Potter doesn't have a PowerBook G4 ;) |
| 23:29.24 | George`Coding | oh wait |
| 23:29.25 | George`Coding | hang on |
| 23:29.27 | George`Coding | woot |
| 23:29.34 | darius_ | heh |
| 23:29.54 | darius_ | haha |
| 23:29.56 | kergoth | people should really not fuck with me on mondays. |
| 23:30.13 | George`Coding | darius_: ya know the room with all the names carved into the wall? |
| 23:30.21 | darius_ | no, not really :) |
| 23:30.22 | George`Coding | darius_: I think it's a classroom? |
| 23:30.26 | George`Coding | darius_: in Harry Potter |
| 23:30.32 | George`Coding | darius_: with the benches? |
| 23:30.39 | George`Coding | darius_: old, brown wooden room |
| 23:30.42 | darius_ | yeah, don't remember |
| 23:30.51 | George`Coding | darius_: well, that's a room at my school |
| 23:30.57 | darius_ | sweet |
| 23:31.10 | George`Coding | darius_: and his closet aka bedroom is a room in one of our houses "Druries" |
| 23:32.17 | George`Coding | rofl |
| 23:32.57 | George`Coding | kergoth: hang on, I'll find you a pic of a KDE developer I know |
| 23:33.04 | George`Coding | kergoth: he looks incredibly.. er.. stupid ;) |
| 23:33.20 | kergoth | no thanks, its monday, i'm not in a humerous mood |
| 23:33.31 | kergoth | i'm in a beat someone senseless mood |
| 23:33.42 | George`Coding | kergoth: heh, it'll make you feel better.. he looks sillyer than you ;) |
| 23:34.51 | kergoth | its monday. |
| 23:34.56 | kergoth | nothing makes me feel better on monday. |
| 23:34.59 | kergoth | period. |
| 23:35.00 | oGMo | not if i have anything to do with it! |
| 23:35.04 | oGMo | ...which i don't |
| 23:35.26 | George`Coding | fine |
| 23:35.43 | *** kick/#zaurus [George`Coding!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (fuck off and die) |
| 23:35.46 | *** join/#zaurus George`Coding (~Test@212.126.151.128) |
| 23:35.47 | George`Coding | lol |
| 23:35.50 | oGMo | ... |
| 23:35.53 | oGMo | heh |
| 23:36.10 | kergoth | treke: heh, i laugh at that too |
| 23:36.12 | kergoth | i forgot it existed |
| 23:36.15 | George`Coding | hey cool! everyone pick on kergoth! :) |
| 23:37.56 | TCMAN | what is wrong with using free webspace for your homepage, huh ? |
| 23:38.05 | kergoth | geocities sucks |
| 23:38.10 | kergoth | it used to suck, it still sucks |
| 23:38.11 | ivan | geocities is for dumb 13 year olds |
| 23:38.22 | rev|lib | sucks even more now |
| 23:38.22 | kergoth | angelfire was worse, but geocities still sucks |
| 23:38.24 | ivan | look at me i have a flashing webpage with pictures |
| 23:38.29 | rev|lib | xoom was the worst |
| 23:38.33 | kergoth | ivan: and popups |
| 23:38.38 | rev|lib | there are free nethosting places that aren't that bad |
| 23:38.55 | rev|lib | i used to use one that gave you a host at <whatever>.netfirms.com |
| 23:39.00 | rev|lib | added a single banner, but that was it |
| 23:39.01 | rev|lib | no popups |
| 23:39.16 | TCMAN | prohosting was cool until they sent me "pay us money to keep your free webpage" e-mail :) |
| 23:39.31 | George`Coding | ivan: oiy, don't take the piss out of 13 year olds |
| 23:39.38 | treke | well just a network port, I had to provide the server |
| 23:40.49 | George`Coding | cya kergoth`bbl |
| 23:43.24 | George`Coding | <QBasic> i just walked to safeway in the rain |
| 23:43.24 | George`Coding | <QBasic> got soaked |
| 23:43.24 | George`Coding | <QBasic> the things i do for caffene |
| 23:43.26 | George`Coding | hehe |
| 23:45.15 | chouimat | George`Coding: wtf? |
| 23:45.33 | oGMo | that was pretty lame |
| 23:45.49 | chouimat | hmmm must be monday only 2 beers and I'm feeling very good |
| 23:46.01 | George`Coding | bah |
| 23:46.09 | oGMo | it's monday... what kergoth`bbl said |
| 23:46.38 | chouimat | oGMo: i will buy that beer more often :) |
| 23:47.15 | oGMo | chouimat: heh ;) |
| 23:49.47 | *** join/#zaurus br33zy (~br33zy@dt0f7n86.san.rr.com) |
| 23:59.30 | *** join/#zaurus toolafial (~chatzilla@user199.net200.lv.sprint-hsd.net) |
){kind=link}