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| 00:01.52 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 00:11.53 | raceme | for those who cares and as said by Ron Kuris on the mailing-list libqte from the sharp rom is needed to get Opera to work. |
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| 00:12.54 | ivan | hello |
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| 00:12.56 | nichos | im following the doc on trying to get my zaurus online. i have the orig. rom still, since i cant get into it. i can ping it. How can i open a shell and issue the route commands? |
| 00:13.02 | ivan | does the zaurus work decently on OS X? does http://www.lucid-cake.net/osx_zaurus_usb/index_en.html really work? |
| 00:14.09 | treke | no. the author is a lying bastard |
| 00:14.25 | darius_ | totally. His kind is dispicable |
| 00:14.33 | nichos | how did u ppl get into your zaurus using linux? |
| 00:14.43 | darius_ | I ssh to it |
| 00:15.25 | darius_ | nichos: the windows software let's you transfer files to your zaurus |
| 00:15.34 | nichos | darius_ using the orig. rom? |
| 00:15.54 | darius_ | nichos: yes |
| 00:16.04 | nichos | cause i just nmaped it, and got port 111 open, port 22 refused |
| 00:16.17 | darius_ | yeah no .. you can't ssh until you install it |
| 00:16.35 | darius_ | you need to use the windows transfer software first |
| 00:16.38 | nichos | darius_ thats my delima, i cant get into it |
| 00:16.39 | nichos | ahh shit |
| 00:16.40 | darius_ | transfer the openssh package |
| 00:16.48 | nichos | damn damn |
| 00:16.54 | TCMAN | nichos: ftp is on port 4242 |
| 00:17.01 | darius_ | true |
| 00:17.18 | nichos | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 00:17.30 | darius_ | nichos: do you have the windows software installed? |
| 00:17.49 | nichos | this may seem weird but usb0's ip here (on main system) is the same IP as the settings on the zaurus? |
| 00:17.52 | nichos | darius_ im in linux |
| 00:18.03 | darius_ | oh |
| 00:18.25 | zoid | use trolltech's qtopia desktop |
| 00:18.26 | darius_ | I believe you should be able to ftp to it over usb |
| 00:18.31 | zoid | you can transfer a file through that |
| 00:18.41 | zoid | nichos: are you using OZ or sharp? |
| 00:18.45 | nichos | darius_ well, its refusing the port |
| 00:18.48 | nichos | zoid sharp |
| 00:18.56 | zoid | nichos: that's why |
| 00:19.13 | zoid | what exactly is it you're trying to do? (sorry i came in late) |
| 00:19.14 | kergoth | heh, sharp requires the desktop have obtained its usb interface ip with dhcp |
| 00:19.21 | kergoth | and sharp can only sync over usb, not wifi |
| 00:19.27 | darius_ | heh |
| 00:19.27 | nichos | zoid trying to get into my zaurus:) |
| 00:19.30 | nichos | get it online, etc |
| 00:19.37 | nichos | i want to put open on to it |
| 00:19.37 | zoid | nichos: i suggest OZ |
| 00:19.46 | zoid | any reason for not using OZ? |
| 00:19.49 | nichos | but 1st anything, download apps, etc |
| 00:19.53 | nichos | zoid how can i do that? |
| 00:19.57 | nichos | i cant get in, i can ping it |
| 00:20.13 | zoid | nichos: you have to put a couple files on a CF card, and it'll flash it |
| 00:20.24 | zoid | you have at least a 16mb cf card? |
| 00:20.50 | nichos | zoid yes, but no card writer/reader, cept for the zaurus |
| 00:20.54 | nichos | rom version 2.38 btw |
| 00:21.06 | zoid | ok |
| 00:21.26 | zoid | nichos: go download qtopia desktop from trolltech.com (or .org, can't remember) |
| 00:21.51 | nichos | heh, i want to try some of this software online, before i wipe out sharps rom, since i heard not everything is compad. |
| 00:21.51 | zoid | if you can ping it, you _should_ be able to hopefully transfer files to it with qtopia desktop |
| 00:22.14 | nichos | how does qtopia get in? |
| 00:22.24 | nichos | this is what nmap says: 111/tcp open sunrpc |
| 00:22.47 | zoid | nichos: just try my suggestions, or i'll stop suggesting and leave you on your own :) |
| 00:23.21 | zoid | you can transfer files (packages files to install software) with qtopia desktop |
| 00:23.51 | nichos | zoid the 30day eval thing, is that correct? |
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| 00:24.38 | zoid | nichos: what? |
| 00:24.40 | zoid | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/qtopia-desktop-1.6.0-1.i386.rpm |
| 00:24.44 | zoid | just get that and install it |
| 00:24.47 | zoid | any try it out |
| 00:24.51 | zoid | s/any/and |
| 00:25.06 | nichos | zoid cool, thanks |
| 00:25.12 | nichos | (hope alien can handle it) |
| 00:25.21 | zoid | it can (i run debian too) |
| 00:25.25 | zoid | it'll install it in /opt |
| 00:25.33 | nichos | oh good then |
| 00:27.08 | nichos | damn, ok, i need some dependencies...etc |
| 00:27.25 | zoid | you shouldn't |
| 00:27.27 | zoid | what do you need? |
| 00:27.30 | nichos | libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 |
| 00:28.15 | zoid | hmm |
| 00:28.36 | nichos | ./qtopiadesktop: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:28.40 | nichos | is my error |
| 00:29.10 | zoid | you running unstable? |
| 00:29.21 | nichos | yeah |
| 00:29.47 | treke | then it wont work |
| 00:30.27 | zoid | uhh...i run it in unstable |
| 00:30.50 | nichos | i found a pkg that has it |
| 00:30.50 | treke | hrm. Was segfaulting on me |
| 00:30.52 | zoid | haven't ran it for a few days, but i've also not seen any packages come through that would cause that error |
| 00:30.56 | nichos | shit, nm |
| 00:30.59 | nichos | didnt work;) |
| 00:31.05 | zoid | nichos: same error? |
| 00:31.13 | zoid | nichos: what package had that file? |
| 00:31.30 | nichos | Package: libstdc++2.10 1:2.95.2-14 |
| 00:31.57 | nichos | oh, got it |
| 00:31.58 | nichos | its up |
| 00:31.59 | nichos | cool:) |
| 00:32.16 | zoid | kewl |
| 00:32.26 | zoid | is it able to connect to your Z? |
| 00:32.35 | nichos | lemme c |
| 00:32.37 | zoid | (is there a green icon in the bottom right corner of the window)? |
| 00:32.41 | zoid | or is it red? |
| 00:32.50 | nichos | red |
| 00:32.53 | nichos | the ip looks ok |
| 00:32.55 | zoid | then you're not connected |
| 00:33.04 | nichos | i can ping it though damnit! |
| 00:33.06 | nichos | im root too |
| 00:33.12 | zoid | what ip are you pinging? |
| 00:33.26 | nichos | 192.168.129.201 |
| 00:33.37 | nichos | whichh is the same one i have as usb0, and in my zaurus ip |
| 00:34.02 | zoid | i dunno man, i never got mine to work right with sharp's rom |
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| 00:34.21 | nichos | zoid should the ip on the Z be the same as the usb0? |
| 00:34.26 | zoid | yeah |
| 00:34.33 | zoid | no wait |
| 00:34.47 | zoid | usb0 should prolly be 192.168.129.1 right? |
| 00:34.48 | toolafial | I'm chatting from my Z |
| 00:34.59 | nichos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.04 | nichos | yeah |
| 00:35.05 | zoid | yeah |
| 00:35.06 | zoid | that's right |
| 00:35.09 | nichos | oh i see |
| 00:35.12 | nichos | and the Z is 201 |
| 00:35.17 | zoid | yeah |
| 00:35.27 | zoid | did you setup a route for it? |
| 00:35.56 | nichos | route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 is what i did |
| 00:36.07 | nichos | i didnt do the stuff in the Z, obviously cause i dont have a terminal |
| 00:36.21 | zoid | yeah |
| 00:36.26 | zoid | weird, all that sounds right |
| 00:36.30 | toolafial | you need to install the terminal |
| 00:36.33 | zoid | (that's all the sae stuff i did too) |
| 00:36.45 | nichos | toolafial how? |
| 00:36.49 | nichos | i cant connect! |
| 00:36.56 | toolafial | ah |
| 00:36.57 | zoid | toolafial: he's trying to get connected to the Z...he can't get the terminal pkg over |
| 00:37.03 | zoid | toolafial: he's running sharp's rom |
| 00:37.11 | zoid | nichos: i suggest OZ :) |
| 00:37.15 | toolafial | what about flash? |
| 00:37.15 | zoid | it truly is much better, heh |
| 00:37.23 | toolafial | or cf? |
| 00:37.25 | nichos | i dont ahve a flash writer, other than the Z |
| 00:37.32 | zoid | hmm, we need to find a way for you to get that file on your cf card |
| 00:38.03 | toolafial | this is on lnx right? |
| 00:38.08 | zoid | i think it's time to invest in a $15 cf card reader/writer |
| 00:38.11 | zoid | toolafial: yes |
| 00:38.14 | nichos | ouch! |
| 00:38.28 | nichos | problem is I want a multi one, smart, CF, and SD:) |
| 00:38.32 | nichos | so $49 |
| 00:38.41 | zoid | heh |
| 00:38.45 | zoid | no need |
| 00:38.56 | toolafial | what does ifconfig -a say? |
| 00:39.00 | zoid | just get the cf one, and use your z as the sd card reader :) |
| 00:39.07 | nichos | well, im going to buy an sd, and everyting else is smart |
| 00:39.26 | nichos | zoid do the readers/writers work well on linux? can i just mount them? |
| 00:39.35 | toolafial | I do |
| 00:39.42 | nichos | toolafial which line? or i can paste in flood |
| 00:39.45 | nichos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.59 | zoid | nichos: yep |
| 00:40.15 | zoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.21 | nichos | cool |
| 00:40.23 | zoid | that's in my fstab |
| 00:40.27 | zoid | works like a charm |
| 00:40.28 | toolafial | just, is there a usb0 entry? |
| 00:40.41 | nichos | toolafial yeah, thats what i just pasted |
| 00:41.01 | toolafial | well |
| 00:41.05 | toolafial | one min |
| 00:41.14 | nichos | 'K |
| 00:41.17 | toolafial | let me get off my Z |
| 00:41.20 | nichos | thanks for helping guys btw... |
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| 00:41.46 | nichos | doesnt kde make a client? |
| 00:42.00 | zoid | kitchensync |
| 00:42.08 | zoid | it's not in debian |
| 00:42.12 | zoid | you'll have to grab the source |
| 00:42.16 | treke | thats because it's never been released |
| 00:42.26 | zoid | ahh, heh |
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| 00:42.47 | toolafial | okay back |
| 00:42.52 | nichos | yeah, im using gnome anyway |
| 00:43.09 | zoid | i finally ditched gnome |
| 00:43.10 | toolafial | nichos: are you the one having problems? |
| 00:43.16 | nichos | toolafial correct |
| 00:43.50 | zoid | well nichos, i've gotta run...good luck |
| 00:44.04 | nichos | thanx zoid |
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| 00:54.37 | mchang | just got a sandisk sd card... 0206lq... |
| 00:55.12 | mchang | no workie |
| 00:56.02 | Neo|Work | mchang: newegg.com is a great place to buy a shuttle it seems. :) |
| 00:56.11 | mchang | Neo|Work: yup... i like newegg |
| 00:56.24 | Neo|Work | very good place overall |
| 00:56.35 | Neo|Work | ugly ui perhaps but usually very informative. :P |
| 00:57.03 | ivan | where should i get screen covers from? |
| 00:57.16 | mchang | any word on formatting sd cards? sandisk in particular? |
| 00:57.21 | mchang | Does oz3.2 have the sandisk patches? |
| 00:58.19 | ivan | and how much did HSN offer it for? |
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| 01:13.50 | Neo|Work | ivan: offer the Zaurus for you mean? |
| 01:13.59 | ivan | yes |
| 01:14.01 | Neo|Work | if so just under $200 with a additional 15% off for new customers |
| 01:14.08 | ivan | wow. |
| 01:14.12 | Neo|Work | starting again midnight tonight (dunno what timezone though) |
| 01:14.32 | ivan | can i return the product if it doesn't work? |
| 01:15.15 | nichos | I have the 5500 w/64meg ram, which image should i download? the zImage-5500-64memory-0storage.bin ? |
| 01:15.41 | kergoth`bbl | nichos: rtfm. |
| 01:15.58 | nichos | kergoth i have, im still entitled to ask |
| 01:16.12 | nichos | i looks like that, thats why im asking |
| 01:16.13 | kergoth | you should download whatever kernel you want. |
| 01:16.17 | kergoth | its your decision, not mine. |
| 01:16.27 | kergoth | any 5500 kernel will work, depending on what size ramdisk you want |
| 01:16.40 | kergoth | which is precisely what the documentation says |
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| 01:18.15 | Neo|Work | ivan: I assume so |
| 01:18.20 | nichos | thanks |
| 01:18.44 | ivan | some people on slashdot commented that HSN has a no-return policy, but i usually ignore slashdotters |
| 01:19.48 | nichos | ivan the comment below that, or a few down said that was an old policy |
| 01:19.59 | nichos | ivan mine came faster than expected, and packed nicely |
| 01:20.06 | Neo|Work | ivan: http://www.hsn.com/cs/policies/default.aspx |
| 01:20.07 | ivan | oh ok, thanks |
| 01:20.18 | nichos | n/p |
| 01:20.18 | Neo|Work | unless noted as "all sales final" |
| 01:20.25 | Neo|Work | if so, it's not returnable |
| 01:21.00 | Neo|Work | and there' salways normal manufactures warranty so it if plain outright doesn't WORK you're still fine |
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| 01:35.49 | mutexer | Neo|Work: you know I said when I loaded that wav file it became like 2.5mb... I was loading it like you do sound files.. didnt realize their was a music way to load things too... it works fine loading it like music |
| 01:36.26 | Neo|Work | you mean the streaming rather? |
| 01:36.32 | Neo|Work | if so, yes, that is benefitial |
| 01:36.37 | Neo|Work | then it doesn't load but, well streams |
| 01:36.38 | mutexer | I didnt specify streaming |
| 01:36.47 | mutexer | Im using Mix_LoadMUS now |
| 01:36.56 | mutexer | instead of LoadWav or whatever it is |
| 01:37.03 | Neo|Work | MUS == streaming, WAV == load |
| 01:37.08 | mutexer | ahh |
| 01:37.13 | mutexer | guess I am streaming then :) |
| 01:37.22 | Neo|Work | i.e music is loaded (or rendered) on demand |
| 01:37.33 | Neo|Work | that's what I'll use for Ogg Vorbis |
| 01:37.38 | mutexer | Im liking SDL so far |
| 01:37.39 | Neo|Work | btw, what kind of CPU usage do you have now? |
| 01:37.50 | Neo|Work | meaning have enouhg CPU for ogg? :) |
| 01:38.00 | mutexer | not sure.. know an easy way to check? |
| 01:38.07 | Neo|Work | top? |
| 01:38.19 | Neo|Work | if you can find one to install that is |
| 01:38.34 | mutexer | well that give me correct results on my PC or would I have to run it on the Zaurus? |
| 01:39.04 | mutexer | theres the other little problem of my app being fullscreen |
| 01:39.12 | mutexer | kinda hard to run anything in the background |
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| 01:40.09 | SuperH | hello people, thanks for all your help yesterday |
| 01:40.26 | SuperH | PDA works just great now :) |
| 01:40.46 | SuperH | but i have one question; anyone know how to enable the DSP buzzer driver for the Zaurus in OZ 3.2? |
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| 01:40.56 | kergoth | go to the mailing list archives for openzaurus-users mailing list |
| 01:41.06 | kergoth | i'll approve the FAQ on the subject shortly so it'll be on openzaurus.org |
| 01:41.14 | kergoth | until then the steps are in the mailing list archives |
| 01:41.22 | SuperH | ok, thank you |
| 01:42.03 | mutexer | How many people have to ask before it becomes a FAQ? |
| 01:42.27 | kergoth | as many as it takes to annoy me sufficiently to go write it or approve it |
| 01:42.27 | SuperH | heh... noticed in OZ FAQ... "How the fsck do I get through this ICS wizard" |
| 01:42.30 | SuperH | rofl fsck |
| 01:42.32 | SuperH | creative |
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| 01:45.19 | Neo|Work | mutexer: have to run it on the zaurus |
| 01:45.52 | Neo|Work | top is available from http://eongames.com/feed/ (network install) or you can download the top_3.5b9_arm.ipk ipk manually |
| 01:46.40 | Neo|Work | mutexer: how do you handle FPS? limit using usleep or scale dynamically? or ..? |
| 01:48.17 | kergoth | SuperH: heh, noda approved it |
| 01:48.22 | kergoth | SuperH: the dsp buzzer article is out there |
| 01:48.24 | mutexer | yeah I use a timer to cap it |
| 01:48.26 | kergoth | s/article/faq/ |
| 01:48.38 | kergoth | SuperH: http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=179 |
| 01:48.43 | chouimat | re |
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| 01:53.22 | SuperH | ok cool thank you |
| 02:07.50 | SuperH | wow, that buzzer puts out some good tunes |
| 02:08.00 | SuperH | hehe |
| 02:08.18 | SuperH | really appreciate the effort into making the driver, sounds better than i thought it would actually |
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| 02:23.50 | Neo|Work | mutexer: cool, then you can use top to get an accurate reading |
| 02:24.43 | darmou | Has anyone been able to get either prboom working or vncserver with keybourd input? |
| 02:24.54 | mutexer | question is how do I switch out of my app to see what top says :) |
| 02:25.25 | darmou | mutexter you can use the menu to start konsole and then run top |
| 02:25.51 | hobbs | darmou: what's wrong with prboom? |
| 02:25.55 | mutexer | is there anyway to log into the machine and run a terminal from it on my PC? or would that require ssh? |
| 02:26.26 | Neo|Work | mutexer: I ssh in |
| 02:26.30 | mutexer | darmou: problem is my app is full screen so Id have to exit my app to see top... then the info would be gone |
| 02:26.32 | darmou | hobbs for some reason the screen just flashes and it seg faults, no other messages |
| 02:26.51 | hobbs | darmou: strange. you have recent libSDL, libSDL-net, and libSDL-mixer |
| 02:26.52 | hobbs | ? |
| 02:26.55 | Neo|Work | sshing in is very helpful |
| 02:26.56 | mutexer | Neo|Work: how trivial is that to setup? and do I need to install packages for it? |
| 02:27.02 | Neo|Work | you can get console debug output, run gdb etc |
| 02:27.05 | Neo|Work | it's very easy |
| 02:27.13 | Neo|Work | do you use sharp rom or openzaurus? |
| 02:27.17 | mutexer | sharp |
| 02:27.33 | Neo|Work | hrm. where's a good feed for ssh? :) |
| 02:27.43 | darmou | hobs this is using the 3.2 versions of those libs, have you got it working ok? |
| 02:27.46 | mutexer | zaurus.com/feed? |
| 02:28.32 | darmou | Neo|Work openzaurus has ssh aleady built in otherwize head to the zaurus software index |
| 02:28.53 | Neo|Work | darmou: I have ssh, mutexer doesn't. :)_ |
| 02:29.13 | hobbs | darmou: yeah. |
| 02:29.55 | darmou | hobbs where did you get the prboom binary? |
| 02:30.01 | mutexer | ibot ssh |
| 02:30.03 | | [ssh] http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org or see ssh-keygen |
| 02:30.22 | darmou | ibot brboom |
| 02:30.23 | | i haven't a clue, darmou |
| 02:30.29 | Neo|Work | mutexer: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/programs/program.php?program=Zaurus/Server%20Manager |
| 02:30.35 | darmou | ibot prboom |
| 02:30.35 | | darmou: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:30.39 | Neo|Work | get that one and you can also just enable telnetd |
| 02:31.04 | darmou | ibot doom |
| 02:31.05 | | from memory, doom is "http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/prboom-test.tar.bz2 (uncompress on CF/SD card and run ./prboom -height 240) - needs libSDL from http://eongames.com/downloads/feed/ and libSDL_net from http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/libSDL_net.tar.gz (uncompress in /)" |
| 02:31.18 | mutexer | "Unfortunately I lost the source in an accidental rm -Rf and so I don't have it," |
| 02:31.19 | mutexer | heh |
| 02:31.25 | Neo|Work | ibot forget doom |
| 02:31.26 | hobbs | darmou: ZZ I think. |
| 02:32.04 | Neo|Work | ibot no doom is prboom at http://www.gnurou.org/software/zaurus/ |
| 02:32.05 | | Neo|Work: okay |
| 02:32.13 | Neo|Work | ~doom |
| 02:32.14 | | doom is probably prboom at http://www.gnurou.org/software/zaurus/ |
| 02:32.24 | mutexer | do I need boa? |
| 02:32.27 | Neo|Work | no |
| 02:32.38 | Neo|Work | that's a webserver that I assume servermanager can well, manage |
| 02:32.54 | Neo|Work | you actually only need servermanager to get telnet, ssh will of course allow ssh |
| 02:33.11 | mutexer | is telnet enough to run top and gdb? |
| 02:33.44 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 02:33.51 | Neo|Work | ssh is nicer and of course secure :) |
| 02:37.16 | ivan | HUZZAH the zaurus is on HSN |
| 02:37.30 | ivan | You Save: $300.08 |
| 02:38.04 | Neo|Work | already? wow |
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| 02:40.37 | *** topic/#zaurus by Neo|Work -> Sharp PDA Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || http://openzaurus.org/ || OpenZaurus 3.2 released! || www.HSN.com deal is BACK - new SL-5500 for $198 (don't miss the additional 15% new customer rebate) || Check out docs.zaurus.com for docs! |
| 02:41.39 | darmou | does anyone know why keyboard input does not work with vncserver in oz 3.2? |
| 02:42.28 | darmou | Pity they don't ship overseas, well I've got mine already |
| 02:44.00 | hobbs | darmou: you need to use the vncserver in OZ. |
| 02:44.10 | hobbs | darmou: or keyboard input won't work. :) |
| 02:45.51 | dhr | where does one find the HSN new customer rebate? |
| 02:47.28 | mutexer | Neo|Work: it says 95% |
| 02:47.34 | darmou | hobbs I used the fbvncserver in testing |
| 02:48.47 | darmou | actually it's the one in 3.2 stable, i just checked |
| 02:49.18 | Neo|Work | mutexer: then you're pretty much screwed on the ogg end. :) |
| 02:49.56 | mutexer | which one of these is the memory? |
| 02:50.26 | darmou | mutexter to play oggs use tkcPlayer its really good |
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| 03:02.25 | jwiz | darmou: update busybox from the unstable feed to get kbd to work in VNC |
| 03:03.26 | ivan | yeah, where /is/ the 15% rebate? |
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| 03:03.59 | SuperH | is there a limit to how long zaurus can be on, heatwise? |
| 03:04.06 | SuperH | if i shut off the light |
| 03:04.10 | SuperH | i |
| 03:04.42 | SuperH | i'm going to go out tonight but a program is taking forever to install |
| 03:04.52 | treke|home | until it overheats |
| 03:05.02 | SuperH | so I won't be here to power it off for another few hours |
| 03:05.39 | jwiz | http://dealcoupon.com/merchants/hsn.com.html |
| 03:05.51 | jwiz | that's the HSN coupon for 15% (if you couldn't tell from the url) |
| 03:05.56 | ivan | thanks |
| 03:06.25 | jwiz | it's the 15% off $50 |
| 03:06.51 | jwiz | i couldn't figure out wtf that meant, but it is referring to the $50 minimum purchase, and you get 15% off the whole thing |
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| 03:07.57 | darmou | fantastic thanks jwiz |
| 03:08.02 | ivan | i'm sure glad i know of this channel |
| 03:08.12 | ivan | otherwise i'd be paying $400 on amazon or not getting it at all |
| 03:08.16 | ivan | instead of $170 |
| 03:11.54 | warmi | yeah, if can get it that cheap go for it |
| 03:12.14 | warmi | otherwise get yourself a cheap ipaq and run OZ or Open Embedded on it - much cheaper and just as good |
| 03:12.16 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 03:12.31 | warmi | hi |
| 03:13.23 | mewyn | man, i can't concentrate this evening |
| 03:13.24 | jwiz | you can run OZ on an ipaq? |
| 03:13.34 | darmou | upgraded busybox, still no luck:( |
| 03:13.45 | jwiz | did you reboot? |
| 03:13.53 | darmou | however prboom is working now at least:) |
| 03:13.56 | fishy | d00d |
| 03:14.07 | darmou | jwiz nope ok I'll try that |
| 03:14.07 | fishy | im buying 5500 tommarrow :D |
| 03:14.12 | jwiz | i had vnc installed, and I could get mouse&view, but no kbd. |
| 03:14.19 | jwiz | I updated busybox from unstable |
| 03:14.21 | jwiz | rebooted |
| 03:14.22 | jwiz | and it all worked |
| 03:14.54 | warmi | fishy: $170 ? |
| 03:15.16 | darmou | Its cool that reboot actually works from the gui now, before i had to command line it |
| 03:15.31 | jwiz | 200 * .85 |
| 03:15.39 | jwiz | 15% off coupon |
| 03:16.38 | mewyn | warmi: i'm switching sooner than i thought. i went to the bank and they couldn't tell me dick on why my account was inconsistant |
| 03:16.50 | darmou | Woohoo its working now thanks jwiz:) |
| 03:17.10 | jwiz | np |
| 03:17.34 | warmi | who are you switching to ? |
| 03:19.09 | mewyn | most likely fifth third |
| 03:19.24 | mewyn | they have a much better package than tcf |
| 03:20.36 | warmi | yeah, I guess ... my wife handles all this stuff |
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| 03:25.12 | mewyn | yah... this is the last straw with a whole bunch of bad shit that they've done |
| 03:26.32 | warmi | well, they never lost my money :-) but yeah,their service is rather atrocious |
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| 03:27.54 | warmi | http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=todaybaghdad.htm |
| 03:28.02 | warmi | I wonder if this is a fake |
| 03:30.54 | ivan | hurray i ordered mine |
| 03:32.33 | ivan | even with the coupon the price goes to $194 with shipping and tax |
| 03:32.47 | fliplap | woop |
| 03:33.34 | ivan | does anyone use screen covers? or are they useless? |
| 03:33.36 | fliplap | do you have the coupon code? |
| 03:33.42 | ivan | yeah i put that in |
| 03:34.02 | fliplap | i was just wonder what it was, i have some friends that wanna pick one uyp |
| 03:34.14 | ivan | <jwiz>http://dealcoupon.com/merchants/hsn.com.html |
| 03:34.43 | mewyn | warmi: perhaps we should send that to france :) |
| 03:35.34 | warmi | mewyn: heh .. I am sure that woudn't be a big surprise to them |
| 03:35.58 | ivan | hsn is so scammy, but i guess that's how they keep prices low |
| 03:36.07 | fliplap | shrug |
| 03:36.08 | ivan | uncheck all the offers and say "no" twice |
| 03:36.14 | fliplap | hehe yeah |
| 03:36.28 | fliplap | good return policy tho |
| 03:36.42 | fliplap | tho i'd sell it on ebay before i returned it |
| 03:37.45 | mewyn | unless it's busted |
| 03:37.46 | ivan | there's a bunch of people HSN->Amazoning |
| 03:37.54 | ivan | mewyn: no no that's when ebay comes in |
| 03:38.21 | ivan | some dumb kid gets the broken one |
| 03:38.27 | warmi | mewyn I found that link on a Freng site ... ( http://www.xanga.com/home.asp?user=dissidentfrogman ) - The dissident frogman - a pro-US French run site .. rare indeed |
| 03:38.28 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:38.42 | mewyn | yah, no kidding |
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| 03:48.28 | SuperH | oh no |
| 03:48.34 | SuperH | what in the H dickens did my zaurus just do |
| 03:48.45 | SuperH | its slowly fading away |
| 03:48.51 | SuperH | while both lights are on as if it's being flashed |
| 03:48.56 | fliplap | hehe, its called crashing |
| 03:49.20 | SuperH | i've never had it crash like that |
| 03:49.21 | fliplap | friggin wellenreiter makes mine crash all the time |
| 03:49.24 | fliplap | i have |
| 03:49.41 | SuperH | zbedic acts like it was going to load |
| 03:49.43 | SuperH | then doesn't |
| 03:49.56 | SuperH | wellenreiter did that on my last install, not crash; just not load |
| 03:50.07 | SuperH | so just pull the battery? |
| 03:51.34 | SuperH | hope that didn't screw me over |
| 03:51.35 | SuperH | lol |
| 03:54.58 | SuperH | ok that worked |
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| 03:59.46 | mewyn | bullshit time |
| 04:02.01 | Jnuahs | anyone got samba mounts working in oz3.2 |
| 04:04.40 | darienm | My Z is online !!! woot !!! |
| 04:05.30 | Jnuahs | kergoth was going to put smbmount on the stable feed |
| 04:16.25 | ivan | someone might want to stick the new customer coupon code in the topic |
| 04:16.59 | ivan | HSN4897 |
| 04:21.53 | NeoTron | mewyn: I use First Internet Bank (www.firstib.com) - they rock. :) |
| 04:22.19 | mewyn | i need somewhere i can get cash |
| 04:22.22 | *** topic/#zaurus by NeoTron -> Sharp PDA Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || http://openzaurus.org/ || OpenZaurus 3.2 released! || www.HSN.com deal is BACK - new SL-5500 for $198 (+15% off at http://dealcoupon.com/merchants/hsn.com.html) || Check out docs.zaurus.com for docs! |
| 04:22.32 | warmi | http://yankeeherald.blogspot.com/gulf_war_2_jump.jpg |
| 04:22.34 | warmi | hehehe |
| 04:23.46 | *** topic/#zaurus by NeoTron -> Sharp PDA Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || http://openzaurus.org/ || OpenZaurus 3.2 released! || www.HSN.com deal is BACK - new SL-5500 for $198 (+15% off coupon code = HSN4897) || Check out docs.zaurus.com for docs! |
| 04:25.01 | NeoTron | wonder if a HSN -> ebay deal would actually make money |
| 04:25.54 | NeoTron | hrm, seems like it might, with the 15% off |
| 04:25.57 | warmi | hehehe |
| 04:27.03 | NeoTron | but there's A LOT of them on there. :) |
| 04:34.32 | mewyn | i just love greenpeace and all these idiots who want everone to eat organic foods |
| 04:38.50 | warmi | heh |
| 04:39.09 | warmi | well, even French hate them :-) |
| 04:39.21 | warmi | witness their heroic attacks at greenpace ships |
| 04:39.22 | warmi | heeh |
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| 04:40.06 | warmi | remember that mewyn: liek 20 years ago french special forces blew up greenpeace ship somewhere in pacific |
| 04:40.09 | warmi | ? |
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| 04:56.55 | mewyn | warmi: too young to remember that |
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| 05:11.17 | prpplague | ha, this women on hsn is crackin me up |
| 05:16.05 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: hsn? |
| 05:19.45 | warmi | home shopping network |
| 05:21.52 | chouimat|tv | warmi: thhanks |
| 05:23.06 | prpplague | this chick is a "luser" for sure |
| 05:23.15 | prpplague | what the hell does she know about the z |
| 05:23.32 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: what sharp wrrote for her? |
| 05:23.56 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: ya well its a riot |
| 05:24.42 | prpplague | noon? hell this will be sold out in the next hour |
| 05:25.30 | ivan | This is a 1 gigahertz!! buy it now!! we were thinking about only putting 64 megabytes memory into this computer running XP, but NO! we gave it a HUGE 128 mb ram! |
| 05:26.08 | ivan | prpplague: yeah good thing i ordered mine a few minutes after they put it up again |
| 05:28.05 | prpplague | ivan: ya i ordered a couple as well |
| 05:28.23 | prpplague | ivan: i've really spent some money this week, ordered a c700 as well |
| 05:28.45 | kergoth | hah, you ordered one? i thought you decided against it |
| 05:28.56 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: how much for the c700? |
| 05:29.55 | chouimat|tv | FUCK! Another Crappy weekend .... err week |
| 05:30.30 | fliplap | i just can't justify the c700 price |
| 05:30.39 | prpplague | ya well, i'm spending my money like crazy the last few days |
| 05:30.55 | fliplap | then again, i had to wrestle with my economic senses to spend the $169 on my 5500 |
| 05:31.14 | ivan | you can get it for $169? |
| 05:31.15 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: I wonder why? done that too when I divorced :) |
| 05:31.28 | fliplap | ivan: hsn.com |
| 05:31.33 | prpplague | fliplap: lol, ya well i spent 5k for my first arm dev board |
| 05:31.34 | ivan | yeah plus tax and shipping |
| 05:31.36 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: lol |
| 05:31.40 | fliplap | ivan: with the 15% off |
| 05:31.44 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: ya well, good point |
| 05:31.47 | ivan | yah yah been there done that |
| 05:31.48 | fliplap | $181 w. shipping |
| 05:31.58 | fliplap | depends on where you live, i didn't get taxed |
| 05:32.03 | fliplap | but i'm in arizona |
| 05:32.16 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: sorry dear I don't have aany money left but ... here take that hackkit |
| 05:32.27 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: lol |
| 05:32.31 | ivan | sheesh i can't believe people are charging > $3 for any zaurus app |
| 05:32.39 | fliplap | heh |
| 05:33.19 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: I sold my drums to be able to pay some bills after the divorce |
| 05:33.20 | fliplap | shrug, i can see how they feel the time they took to write it is worth $20, but its tough to spend money on something i can't try or return |
| 05:34.28 | ivan | does the zaurus come with a screen cover? just to close the thing? |
| 05:34.48 | fliplap | yes, it comes with a screen cover |
| 05:34.52 | ivan | heh good |
| 05:34.58 | fliplap | tho i don't use it, its obnoxious |
| 05:35.01 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: ya well, i'm not too much worried about the $$, i just want out |
| 05:35.18 | ivan | i need it because i like dropping things accidently |
| 05:35.19 | fliplap | i need a screen protector, and a nice leather slip case |
| 05:35.22 | chouimat|tv | wooohooo Highway to helll |
| 05:35.32 | fliplap | anyone have a suggested case? |
| 05:35.39 | ivan | the screen protectors on amazon got a 1/5 star rating |
| 05:35.41 | ivan | said they don't fit |
| 05:35.51 | fliplap | well, you can buy the bigger ones and trim them |
| 05:35.57 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: I wish you that too |
| 05:36.22 | ivan | do they really fit so well being a fraction of a millimeter bigger than the screen? |
| 05:36.30 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: i spent an entire royalty check at the nudie bar last night :) , lol |
| 05:36.43 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: lol |
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| 05:37.14 | fliplap | i wish it came with a leather flip cover like the Palm V series did |
| 05:37.59 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: last night I was talking on the phone with a chick |
| 05:38.11 | fliplap | i miss my PalmVx, and nifty as my Z is, the V series palms were slick |
| 05:39.09 | fliplap | btw, anyone have a suggestion for something to save webpages in a reduced form, ala Avantgo? |
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| 05:49.23 | nichos | is http://docs.zaurus.com/ dead? |
| 05:53.24 | mutexer | no |
| 05:53.55 | mutexer | well it worked earlire |
| 05:53.58 | mutexer | earlier |
| 06:08.49 | fliplap | i gotta say, opera is _much_ nicer than konq |
| 06:10.29 | fliplap | although for some reason opera.com makes it crash |
| 06:10.30 | fliplap | hah |
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| 06:18.16 | fliplap | too bad it doesn't work with OZ's rotate |
| 06:20.48 | kergoth | bad programming. they used fixed sizes |
| 06:21.21 | fliplap | suck |
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| 06:42.20 | Zaius` | anyone find a decent deal on a car DC adapter that'll work with a zaurus? |
| 06:42.44 | mewyn | man, i wish i could find intellectual people who have oppisite views as mine |
| 06:42.49 | mewyn | i need a good argument |
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| 06:43.19 | Zaius` | well, scratch the "intellectual" part, and I'll play devil's advocate |
| 06:43.26 | nichos | Can anyone help me get networking w/OZ working? i run ifup usbd0 and it gets the ip and everything,but i cant ping anything etc |
| 06:44.22 | nichos | the docs.zaurus.com site is dead:( |
| 06:44.23 | mewyn | zaius: i can see through devil's advocate. i take that stance often myself, just to get into debates |
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| 06:45.21 | Zaius` | so do I, and so often that I actually believe about 40 different conflicting positions per topic |
| 06:45.38 | Zaius` | i've developed split personallity since taking up a poli sci minor |
| 06:46.05 | mewyn | lol |
| 06:46.34 | nichos | or are there any working howtos? |
| 06:46.41 | Zaius` | nichos: on what? |
| 06:46.56 | Zaius` | search for zaurus-faq if it's basic stuff that won't have changed in the last year or so |
| 06:46.59 | Zaius` | it's pretty good |
| 06:47.00 | nichos | getting OZ to work network? i can ping it |
| 06:47.16 | nichos | i ran ifup on it, and it got an ip, but cant do anything |
| 06:47.45 | Zaius` | define "anything" |
| 06:48.08 | Zaius` | nmap show anything if you do a portscan of it? tried sshing into it and everything? |
| 06:48.33 | nichos | Zaius` yes |
| 06:48.37 | nichos | ftp, ssh,etc |
| 06:48.56 | Zaius` | ftp probably wouldn't work even if it was working |
| 06:49.00 | nichos | im a little confused though |
| 06:49.12 | Zaius` | never has on mine, after putting oz on. i think it's not in oz by default, although i could be wrong |
| 06:49.15 | Zaius` | confused about what? |
| 06:49.27 | nichos | on my local machine i have usb0 as: inet addr:192.168.0.25 |
| 06:49.35 | kergoth | opie launcher runs a minimalist ftp server on port 4242 |
| 06:49.43 | kergoth | its not a full ftp protocol implementation |
| 06:49.45 | nichos | what should i set the Z to? |
| 06:50.06 | kergoth | anything on the 192.168.0.0/24 network, assuming your subnet mask on the desktop is 255.255.255.0 |
| 06:50.59 | nichos | kergoth ive done that, but i cant even ping this machine, the one its connected to |
| 06:51.00 | Zaius` | kergoth: is it as stripped down as the one on the Sharp rom? |
| 06:51.02 | nichos | its like a 1 way ping |
| 06:51.06 | Zaius` | pretty useless w/o ls |
| 06:51.16 | kergoth | Zaius`: you can ls on both sharp and os |
| 06:51.20 | kergoth | Zaius`: and oz |
| 06:51.30 | Zaius` | couldn't on sharp, using the current rom, this afternoon |
| 06:51.34 | kergoth | Zaius`: just not a long listing or with -a to show hidden files |
| 06:51.43 | kergoth | Zaius`: you have a setting in your ftp client thats adding an option it doesnt support |
| 06:51.48 | Zaius` | said "ls" wasn't supported and griped about "ls" not working when I did a wget |
| 06:51.53 | Zaius` | hmm ok |
| 06:52.01 | kergoth | 'ls' is really the LIST command |
| 06:52.12 | kergoth | 'ls' is just a command in your ftp client |
| 06:52.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:52.17 | Zaius` | thanks |
| 06:52.27 | kergoth | and the server does handle lists, just not with fancy options |
| 06:52.29 | kergoth | real minimal |
| 06:52.32 | kergoth | np |
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| 06:59.03 | nichos | is the usb on the Z usbd0, or wlan0? |
| 06:59.12 | kergoth | usbd |
| 07:00.10 | nichos | hmmm |
| 07:00.13 | nichos | just cant get it |
| 07:01.00 | nichos | but once i do, im gonna write the uber howto damnit! |
| 07:07.49 | Zaius` | damned unterhowtos need to be put in camps! |
| 07:08.30 | nichos | ? |
| 07:09.12 | Zaius` | ubermensch/untermensch (i think) were the superman/subman classifications the nazis used |
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| 07:20.23 | SuKoShi | yop |
| 07:20.31 | Suko|C700 | yup |
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| 07:54.35 | nichos | Ok, heres my issue, i can ping usb0 from usbd0, and i can ping usbd0 from usb0, but thats it, my Z (usbd0) cannot go anywhere else |
| 07:59.59 | nichos | i can even ssh into |
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| 08:04.15 | mchang | howdee |
| 08:04.19 | nichos | hi mchang |
| 08:04.23 | nichos | how goes it? |
| 08:05.34 | mchang | nichos: pretty good |
| 08:05.42 | mchang | nichos: any idea why the mail light is flashing on my z (oz3.2)? |
| 08:06.27 | nichos | dont ask me, im still working on networking;) |
| 08:06.34 | mchang | nichos: ah... ok |
| 08:06.36 | nichos | the doc site is down too:( |
| 08:07.08 | nichos | mchang u have any idea why i can ping to the Z, from the Z to my usb machine, but not where else? |
| 08:07.24 | nichos | and what port is ftp on? |
| 08:10.46 | mchang | nichos: port 4242 |
| 08:11.41 | mchang | nichos: because the packets only flow over the usb cable between z and machine it's connected to. |
| 08:13.30 | nichos | mchang so what do i do? |
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| 08:13.33 | nichos | i have the masq. on |
| 08:13.56 | mchang | nichos: oh, you have masqing on? how about ip forwarding? |
| 08:15.24 | nichos | mchang i dont see that module |
| 08:15.29 | nichos | nor do i see it in the config |
| 08:15.54 | nichos | mchang have you dont htis? |
| 08:16.17 | nichos | done rather |
| 08:16.21 | mchang | nichos: masqing, i'm assuming, is on the desktop machien? |
| 08:16.32 | mchang | nichos: nope, i've not done it... just ppp networking w/masq on my ipaq |
| 08:16.51 | nichos | mchang yes, on the desktop machine (this one) |
| 08:17.07 | nichos | it just wont go past here:() |
| 08:17.09 | mchang | nichos: there is a usbnetworking howto out there, did you do all that stuff? |
| 08:17.18 | nichos | yeah |
| 08:17.21 | nichos | thats how i got it this far |
| 08:17.37 | nichos | only thing i may be doing wrong: |
| 08:17.39 | nichos | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o ethX --to MY_IP |
| 08:18.10 | nichos | i set ethX to eth0, thats this card on this machine, --to MY_IP, ive tried that to be the usb0 ip, and the eth0 ip |
| 08:18.14 | nichos | which should it be? |
| 08:18.17 | nichos | the eth0 ip? |
| 08:19.12 | mchang | do you have the link to the howto? |
| 08:19.29 | nichos | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 08:20.00 | mchang | can you ifconfig -a |
| 08:20.25 | nichos | yep |
| 08:20.30 | mchang | and paste in the output here? |
| 08:20.34 | nichos | sure... |
| 08:20.45 | nichos | usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr AE:28:A8:1F:49:89 |
| 08:20.45 | nichos | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.50 | nichos | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:08:3B:DC:B8 |
| 08:20.51 | nichos | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.58 | nichos | let me know if you want more |
| 08:21.15 | mchang | and a route -n please |
| 08:21.26 | nichos | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 08:21.26 | nichos | 192.168.0.24 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 08:21.26 | nichos | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:21.26 | nichos | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 08:21.26 | nichos | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:22.09 | mchang | did you do a route add -host 192.168.0.24 usb0 at some point? |
| 08:22.14 | mchang | because the usb0 is on 192.168.0.25 |
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| 08:22.37 | nichos | well, 25 is usb0, 24 is the Z usbd0 |
| 08:22.56 | mchang | oh, my bad |
| 08:23.03 | mchang | and you can ping from the host to the z, right? |
| 08:23.29 | nichos | yep, the Z can ping . |
| 08:23.37 | nichos | 25, and i can ping the Z, .24 |
| 08:23.39 | mchang | then follow the guide, with this iptables command: |
| 08:23.56 | mchang | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to 192.168.0.10 |
| 08:24.11 | mchang | i know you've done that :( |
| 08:24.20 | mchang | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 08:24.27 | mchang | don't forget that last echo line. |
| 08:24.39 | mchang | then, on the z side, you did the three route commands, i assume. |
| 08:24.58 | nichos | yep |
| 08:25.56 | mchang | like: |
| 08:26.06 | mchang | route add -host 192.168.0.24 usbd0 |
| 08:26.17 | mchang | route delete -net 192.168.0.0/24 usbd0 |
| 08:26.23 | mchang | route add default gw 192.168.0.24 |
| 08:26.30 | nichos | yeah, ill do it again, the /24 takes like 2 min |
| 08:26.36 | mchang | nichos: weird. |
| 08:26.42 | mchang | and you can't ping out from the z, right? |
| 08:26.50 | nichos | well, just .25 |
| 08:26.54 | nichos | nothing else |
| 08:27.06 | nichos | ohhh |
| 08:27.09 | nichos | <mchang> route add -host 192.168.0.24 usbd0 |
| 08:27.12 | nichos | i made .25 |
| 08:27.38 | nichos | didnt help but.. |
| 08:27.44 | nichos | lemme plug the rest of the lines in |
| 08:28.21 | nichos | route delete -net 192.168.0.0/24 usbd0 says cant resolve 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 08:28.36 | mchang | you probably want something like: |
| 08:28.37 | mchang | host side: |
| 08:28.48 | mchang | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.24 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 08:29.02 | mchang | nono... whups |
| 08:29.04 | mchang | host side: |
| 08:29.18 | mchang | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.25 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 08:29.25 | mchang | route add -host 192.168.0.24 usb0 |
| 08:29.28 | mchang | iptables -t nat -F |
| 08:29.52 | mchang | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to 192.168.0.10 |
| 08:30.01 | mchang | then on the z side, hook in the routes |
| 08:30.11 | mchang | route add -host 192.168.0.25 usbd0 |
| 08:30.19 | mchang | route delete -net 192.168.0.0/24 usbd0 |
| 08:30.26 | mchang | route add default gw 192.168.0.25 |
| 08:30.51 | nichos | why .255, and the last one not .0 for netmask? |
| 08:30.58 | mchang | dunno, really |
| 08:31.20 | mchang | i don't see why it should be, |
| 08:32.51 | nichos | how can i clear my route? |
| 08:32.57 | nichos | i think i may have too many in my z |
| 08:32.59 | mchang | route delete |
| 08:33.03 | mchang | or just reboot :) |
| 08:33.06 | mchang | takes only a second |
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| 08:33.51 | mchang | nichos: do you have other iptables (forwarding rules) on? |
| 08:34.07 | darmou | hi all |
| 08:34.16 | nichos | mchang nope |
| 08:34.19 | nichos | ho darmou |
| 08:34.27 | mchang | nichos: good |
| 08:34.47 | darmou | does anyone know how to open doors on prboom? Ie doom for zaurus? |
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| 08:37.56 | nichos | man |
| 08:38.03 | nichos | ive been doing this for 5 hrs. |
| 08:38.12 | mchang | nichos: i'm sorry |
| 08:38.17 | nichos | mchang not your fault;) |
| 08:38.25 | nichos | this how-to really does suck though |
| 08:38.49 | nichos | since i rebooted, and cant ping anything now:( |
| 08:39.30 | mchang | unplug the z from usb |
| 08:39.43 | mchang | reboot it .... then remove the usbnet modules from linux and the routes on linux should go away. |
| 08:39.47 | mchang | that should get you back toscratch |
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| 08:40.30 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 08:40.39 | mchang | TCMAN: maybe you can help nichos |
| 08:40.53 | nichos | hi TCMAN |
| 08:41.22 | mchang | whoa, what happened to docs.zaurus.com? |
| 08:42.52 | mchang | nichos: doesn't the usbnet driver on the z automatically choose 192.168.129.201? |
| 08:44.59 | mchang | nichos: are you using openzaurus or standard rom? |
| 08:47.22 | nichos | mchang nope, dont think so |
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| 08:49.15 | nichos_ | hmm,, weird |
| 08:49.17 | nichos_ | sorry mchang |
| 08:49.21 | nichos | it didnt i dont htin |
| 08:49.24 | mchang | nichos_: np |
| 08:49.51 | nichos_ | anyway, i dont know what it defaulted to |
| 08:49.57 | nichos_ | what abot the bcast thing? |
| 08:50.04 | mchang | nichos_: you running oz or sharp rom? |
| 08:50.08 | nichos_ | oz |
| 08:50.49 | mchang | how about this ... remove the z from the cradle, reset it. |
| 08:51.01 | mchang | nichos_: then, remove the usbnet driver from the linux box and it should remove the routes. |
| 08:51.01 | nichos_ | reset reset? |
| 08:51.07 | mchang | nichos_: reboot. |
| 08:51.10 | darmou | Has anyone been able to see the buttons on opera on oz? |
| 08:51.37 | darmou | I think they have to be moved to a special location but I'm not sure where. |
| 08:52.11 | darmou | If you are running the sharp rom there is a networking control panel you can set the ip address of the Z |
| 08:52.34 | nichos_ | ok, tis going... |
| 08:52.48 | mchang | now, plug the z into the cradle. |
| 08:52.56 | mchang | nichos_: does it usbd0 device come up automagically? |
| 08:52.59 | nichos_ | while its booting? |
| 08:53.03 | mchang | nichos_: no, wait... |
| 08:53.07 | nichos_ | its still on the please wait.. |
| 08:53.08 | nichos_ | ok.. |
| 08:53.19 | mchang | nichos_: i'm just trying to figure out if oz3.2 has the automatic ip choosing like sharp does |
| 08:53.25 | mchang | nichos_: i completely forget. |
| 08:53.32 | nichos_ | mchang ok, its on, lemme open xterm |
| 08:53.48 | mchang | nichos_: do you have another networking interface on the z? |
| 08:53.59 | nichos_ | nope |
| 08:54.03 | nichos_ | just got it, too broke:) |
| 08:54.10 | nichos_ | ok, everyting says 'disconnected' |
| 08:54.16 | mchang | nichos_: ah... xterm, or are you talking konsole? |
| 08:54.23 | mchang | nichos_: try ifconfig -a |
| 08:54.25 | nichos_ | yeah, konsol |
| 08:54.28 | nichos_ | on here, right |
| 08:54.29 | nichos_ | not z |
| 08:54.55 | nichos_ | ok, i did on both |
| 08:55.00 | nichos_ | here has the usb0 |
| 08:55.05 | nichos_ | and there has the irda, and usbd0 |
| 08:55.10 | nichos_ | no ip's on either usb's |
| 08:56.07 | mchang | nichos: weird. i just checked mine, and it has usbd0 192.168.129.201 |
| 08:57.04 | nichos | i edited the networking file |
| 08:57.13 | mchang | nichos: ok, i got it... i had at one point configured the ip in the networking applet. |
| 08:57.22 | mchang | nichos: which one? the one that brings up usbd0? |
| 08:57.53 | nichos | mchang i believe so |
| 08:58.36 | darmou | cya all |
| 08:58.45 | mchang | nichos: ah, the network for me has the ips in /etc/hotplug |
| 08:59.01 | nichos | mchang i shold still be able to manually do them though |
| 08:59.11 | mchang | nichos: i suppose, yep. try this... |
| 08:59.14 | nichos | should just buy wireless |
| 08:59.50 | mchang | nichos: just put the usb stuff on a different subnet and see what happens. |
| 09:00.05 | nichos | mchang ? i dont understand |
| 09:00.29 | mchang | nichos: let's put the z as 192.168.129.201 |
| 09:00.38 | mchang | nichos: and the pc usb interface as 192.168.129.1 |
| 09:00.45 | mchang | nichos: so, that means something like, on the z |
| 09:00.53 | nichos | so ifconfig 192.168.129.201 usbd0 |
| 09:01.19 | mchang | nichos: ifconfig 129.168.129.201 up |
| 09:01.43 | nichos | 129, u mean 198 ? |
| 09:01.48 | nichos | for the 1st one? |
| 09:01.50 | yeiazel | 192 |
| 09:01.53 | mchang | nichos: yes, i'm an idiot |
| 09:02.07 | mchang | so, the usb network should be up, right? |
| 09:02.25 | mchang | nichos: but probably has no default route to any host on that subnet |
| 09:02.32 | nichos | mchang ok, done that |
| 09:03.02 | mchang | nichos: can you give us an ifconfig -a from the z? |
| 09:03.12 | mchang | nichos: and then a route -n from the z? |
| 09:03.42 | mchang | nichos: oh, and your linux box is registering that the z is connected on the usb bus,r ight? |
| 09:04.38 | nichos | mchang yes, usb0, but not IP |
| 09:04.50 | mchang | nichos: great |
| 09:05.02 | mchang | nichos: so the ip is configured and the interface is "up" on the z? |
| 09:05.07 | nichos | mchang ok, the ip is set, the bcast is 192.168.129.255 and the mask is 255.255.255..0 |
| 09:05.09 | nichos | on the Z |
| 09:05.19 | mchang | nichos: route -n ? on the z? |
| 09:05.36 | mchang | here's mine: |
| 09:05.43 | noiddd | I'm guessing that kergoth is long gone now :-) |
| 09:05.45 | mchang | inet addr:192.168.129.201 Bcast:192.168.129.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 09:06.00 | mchang | noiddd: unless he's sitting there laughing at me trying to debug this |
| 09:06.33 | nichos | 192.168.129.0 |
| 09:06.45 | nichos | on usbd0, w 255.255.255.0 |
| 09:07.05 | mchang | 192.168.129.0 (gateway: 0.0.0.0, genmask: 255.255.255.0, iface: usbd0) |
| 09:07.07 | mchang | ok |
| 09:07.17 | nichos | yeah |
| 09:07.31 | mchang | nichos: now we configure the linux host side |
| 09:07.47 | mchang | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.1 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 09:07.50 | mchang | (you can try 255.255.255.0) |
| 09:07.58 | mchang | route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 |
| 09:08.05 | nichos | ok, usb is up |
| 09:08.15 | nichos | (gkrellm came up w/a graph;) |
| 09:08.23 | mchang | Can you ping 192.168.129.201 from the linux host? |
| 09:08.37 | nichos | indeed |
| 09:08.40 | mchang | nichos: netmask 255.255.255.255 is okay. |
| 09:08.55 | nichos | i used .0, should i leave it, or change it? |
| 09:09.02 | mchang | let's leave it for now |
| 09:09.05 | noiddd | nothing is impossible :-) |
| 09:09.24 | mchang | nichos: can you flush your iptables? |
| 09:09.37 | nichos | mchang dont know how;) |
| 09:09.45 | nichos | i built a kernel w/iptables just for this |
| 09:09.47 | nichos | so i never used em |
| 09:09.53 | nichos | im sure i screwed it up doing this |
| 09:10.23 | mchang | nichos: try iptables --list |
| 09:11.03 | nichos | oiy |
| 09:11.05 | nichos | whats this: |
| 09:11.09 | nichos | iptables v1.2.7a: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 09:11.10 | nichos | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
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| 09:11.44 | nichos | i added everything in my kerenl from the faq |
| 09:12.18 | mchang | nichos: did you make it a module? |
| 09:12.42 | mchang | nichos: iptables --flush should clean it out |
| 09:13.35 | nichos | i dont see it in here (modconf) |
| 09:13.45 | nichos | same error |
| 09:13.48 | nichos | lemme check my .config |
| 09:13.57 | nichos | CONFIG_NETFILTER=y |
| 09:14.17 | nichos | oh shit, is it this one: |
| 09:14.18 | nichos | # CONFIG_IP_NF_FILTER is not set |
| 09:14.55 | nichos | cant be |
| 09:14.58 | mchang | nichos: hrm... dunno which one it is... you need ip tables support, connection tracking, masquerade support |
| 09:15.03 | mchang | as you read in the howto |
| 09:15.17 | mchang | nichos: what distro you running? |
| 09:15.20 | nichos | debian |
| 09:15.25 | nichos | yeah, i have all the stuff ffrom the faq |
| 09:15.45 | nichos | lemme double check, i have my menuconfig open |
| 09:16.12 | mchang | nichos: sorry i'm not helpful |
| 09:16.18 | mchang | we're almost there, i bet. |
| 09:16.28 | mchang | nichos: as soon as you get iptables up and running, then the nat/masq should work good |
| 09:16.31 | noiddd | i just logged in |
| 09:16.35 | nichos | lol, either that, or i have to make a new kernel |
| 09:16.42 | noiddd | tell me what your problem is and i may be able to help |
| 09:17.09 | nichos | noiddd i can ping usb0 from the Z, and usbd0 from the host, but the Z cant go anywhere |
| 09:17.12 | mchang | nichos: heh... the joys of debian. |
| 09:17.12 | nichos | even on my lan |
| 09:17.29 | mchang | noiddd: we're wondering if iptables got built into the kernel/modules at all. |
| 09:17.40 | mchang | noiddd: because all iptables commands are coming back errored. |
| 09:18.45 | nichos | maybe ill just make a ton of modules here, and reboot |
| 09:18.59 | mchang | nichos: well, here's my final comments, and then I'll probably be going to bed (sorry). |
| 09:19.08 | mchang | nichos: after you get the z on usbd0 as 192.168.129.201 |
| 09:19.16 | mchang | nichos: get the pc as 192.168.129.1 on usb0 |
| 09:19.23 | mchang | nichos: route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 |
| 09:19.27 | mchang | nichos: to be able to ping the z |
| 09:19.34 | mchang | nichos: then make the nat go! |
| 09:19.39 | mchang | nichos: iptables -t nat -F |
| 09:19.59 | mchang | nichos: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to 192.168.0.10 |
| 09:20.09 | mchang | nichos: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 09:21.28 | noiddd | oops |
| 09:21.33 | nichos | mchang cool, i dumped that to a file, i think i should sleep too, almost 430 here |
| 09:21.46 | noiddd | I use this: |
| 09:21.46 | noiddd | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 09:21.46 | noiddd | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 09:21.54 | noiddd | but hey, whats a few more arguments :-) |
| 09:23.07 | nichos | well, i appreciate alll the help guys |
| 09:23.12 | noiddd | bichos: just made them all as modules |
| 09:23.25 | noiddd | when you execute the commands, the right modules will be loaded at runtime |
| 09:23.54 | mithro | do you know the time kergoth is normally up/around? |
| 09:24.07 | mchang | mithro: most during the day |
| 09:24.22 | nichos | yeah |
| 09:24.37 | mchang | nichos: yep ... should load modules automagically and just work |
| 09:24.48 | nichos | OH SHIT! |
| 09:24.50 | nichos | its working! |
| 09:24.55 | mchang | nichos: ooooo |
| 09:24.58 | nichos | lol |
| 09:25.02 | mchang | nichos: don't forget /etc/resolv.conf and there you go! |
| 09:25.13 | mchang | nichos: and really, $40 and you'll have a wifi cf card :) |
| 09:25.17 | mchang | nichos: just got one for $35 |
| 09:25.17 | nichos | i did the command noiddd gave me, and i did the default gw |
| 09:25.21 | mithro | mchang: that means nothing because of timezones :) |
| 09:25.27 | nichos | mchang yeah, i dont have wireless here, summer semester i will though;) |
| 09:25.29 | mchang | mithro: oh... sorry |
| 09:25.49 | nichos | man, now i need a browser, games,so much to do!:) |
| 09:26.02 | mchang | nichos: re-pack opera. |
| 09:26.18 | nichos | mchang what should i do? setup my /etc/network/interfaces now? |
| 09:26.42 | mchang | mithro: well, he was on about 12 hours ago, which was 1:30PM pacific time us |
| 09:27.08 | mchang | nichos: well, you can probably stand to reflash with oz 3.2 and put all those networking scripts back in place so it defaults to 192.168.129.201 at boot time |
| 09:27.10 | mchang | nichos: :) |
| 09:27.23 | nichos | he was on when i started this, like around 12ish |
| 09:27.24 | mchang | nichos: it's all in the hotplug config somewhere. |
| 09:27.35 | mchang | nichos: http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 09:28.05 | mchang | nichos: the nat command line should work just as well as the masq command line. |
| 09:28.24 | mchang | nichos: the key, i think, is to have them on different subnets, or else the routing will just not know what to do |
| 09:28.50 | nichos | seems like it |
| 09:29.25 | nichos | mchang why not konqueror? |
| 09:29.39 | mchang | nichos: seems the consensus is that konq wasn't working too good yet |
| 09:30.29 | nichos | ahhh |
| 09:31.11 | nichos | well thanks again everyone |
| 09:31.24 | mchang | nichos: but hey, don't let that stop you from trying it... you do that, and let me know how it is |
| 09:31.30 | nichos | oh one more |
| 09:31.40 | nichos | how do u know if an app works on sharp, or OZ? |
| 09:32.11 | mchang | nichos: they mostly work in both. but hey, just give it a shot. |
| 09:32.16 | mchang | nichos: things that don't work in oz usually say |
| 09:32.33 | nichos | im sure ill be hangin out here, kergoth hates me, but oh well |
| 09:33.25 | nichos | is the killefiz.de the main site |
| 09:33.48 | mchang | nichos: somewhat |
| 09:33.57 | mithro | nichos: kergoth seems to hate most people :( |
| 09:34.09 | nichos | lol |
| 09:34.23 | nichos | he's pretty smart though, just no need to be rude, we're all newbies sometimes;) |
| 09:35.52 | nichos | alright guys,t hanks again |
| 09:40.08 | TCMAN | mithro: i think he hates people that ask questions :) |
| 09:40.54 | TCMAN | mithro: and also people who dont :) |
| 09:41.01 | mchang | gnight |
| 09:44.04 | mithro | TCMAN: yeah maybe :) |
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| 09:57.34 | noiddd | hey yeizel |
| 09:57.38 | yeiazel | hey |
| 10:00.22 | SuKoShi | hey |
| 10:02.18 | noiddd | I am so glad perl doesn't take an hour to compile |
| 10:02.30 | noiddd | if it did i'd be dead by now |
| 10:04.53 | noiddd | hey raceme |
| 10:04.57 | raceme | hi dudes |
| 10:08.42 | raceme | and as mentionned by Ron in the ml, the old libqte has to be preloaded before launching opera... |
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| 10:40.52 | mithro | hello everyone |
| 10:41.57 | MacGyver | hi |
| 11:01.22 | SuKoShi | hi |
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| 12:15.40 | noidd | note to self, using x86 strip on an arm binary considered fatal |
| 12:18.28 | phoen][x | Cheerup.mp3 |
| 12:18.39 | noidd | its on looop :-) |
| 12:18.48 | phoen][x | heh, i knew it |
| 12:19.23 | noidd | with the number of re-compiles it has to be |
| 12:21.56 | noidd | I thought I had it finished and working |
| 12:22.02 | noidd | then it trashed my Zaurus :-P |
| 12:22.21 | noidd | more accuratly, my stupidity trashed my Z |
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| 12:28.15 | phoen][x | trashed? |
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| 12:47.41 | noidd | yeah - I typoed an installation script |
| 12:47.50 | noidd | and put files in the wrong place etc |
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| 12:54.40 | Zxcvb | what is ubrowser for? |
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| 13:38.10 | noidd | morning |
| 13:38.12 | noidd | how goes? |
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| 14:54.08 | noidd | anyone here familier with how buildroot works? (as a developer) |
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| 15:04.20 | ivan | the zaurus does come with some sort of stylus, right? |
| 15:04.42 | darius_ | yes |
| 15:04.50 | ivan | heh good |
| 15:05.39 | ivan | and how do you compile things for a different proccessor? |
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| 15:06.25 | ivan | i don't need a howto i'm just wondering how it's done |
| 15:06.44 | darius_ | there's a cross compiler for linux |
| 15:06.49 | darius_ | w/ headers & whatnot |
| 15:07.27 | darius_ | site with info appears to be down |
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| 15:07.56 | frankps | hi all |
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| 15:08.30 | darius_ | should normally be able to get it and read about it from docs.zaurus.com I believe |
| 15:17.07 | ivan | there's no tcl/tk for the zaurus? |
| 15:17.26 | darius_ | hmm, I don't know |
| 15:17.33 | noidd | tcl/tk is X remember |
| 15:18.05 | ivan | i'll just make a tkinter-like interface to pyqt i guess |
| 15:18.29 | noidd | there will be perl/gtk in a week if i get my way :-) |
| 15:18.42 | darius_ | anyone know how well commercial software is selling for the Zaurus? |
| 15:18.49 | ivan | don't bother |
| 15:19.21 | ivan | i'd guess a copy a month at most |
| 15:19.26 | darius_ | hmm |
| 15:20.24 | darius_ | I've desired to buy some of this stuff myself |
| 15:20.40 | darius_ | wish they made a commercial quality H.323 phone |
| 15:20.57 | darius_ | and prices are usually good |
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| 15:21.34 | darius_ | the package format is compatible with linux on an iPaq correct? |
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| 15:25.51 | raceme | does anyone know where i can find infos about /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts ? |
| 15:26.23 | darius_ | ivan: do you have commercial software for PDAs? |
| 15:26.41 | ivan | no and i don't plan to but i'm still waiting for my zaurus |
| 15:26.49 | darius_ | ahh |
| 15:26.56 | ivan | so if something's blantantly missing i might spend at most $10 |
| 15:27.22 | darius_ | I mean, how do you know how well commercial software sells for the PDA? |
| 15:27.29 | ivan | i don't |
| 15:27.33 | darius_ | oh heh |
| 15:27.40 | Com[Plex | anyone seen spencer lately? |
| 15:27.48 | ivan | email some of the authors of the commercial ones and hope they reply |
| 15:28.04 | darius_ | ok |
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| 15:32.23 | find_me | is 399 okay for a zaurus ? |
| 15:32.31 | ivan | umm try $169 |
| 15:32.35 | ivan | go to HSN |
| 15:32.43 | find_me | ok. thanks. |
| 15:32.48 | find_me | but is it the latest one. |
| 15:32.51 | ivan | oh |
| 15:32.56 | Com[Plex | hey guys |
| 15:32.58 | ivan | it's 5500 |
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| 15:33.05 | find_me | also can i write java programs in it. |
| 15:33.10 | Com[Plex | check this out, the HSN page shows the 5500 as having a 1700mah battery |
| 15:33.12 | ivan | i don't know how compatibility is with 5600 |
| 15:33.16 | Com[Plex | http://www.hsn.com/cnt/prod/default.aspx?pfid=694341&club_id=694341&sz=0&sf=&dept=&cat= |
| 15:33.31 | ivan | wow i'm going to take that battery out |
| 15:33.33 | darius_ | find_me: yes you can write java programs for it |
| 15:33.42 | doughecka | oh cool, its april 5th |
| 15:33.43 | find_me | darius_: cool. thanks. |
| 15:33.43 | ivan | find_me: java is smelly |
| 15:33.51 | darius_ | find_me: I don't know how easy it is to write java program on it though .. |
| 15:33.56 | find_me | ivan: yes smells good :) |
| 15:34.12 | find_me | darius_: j2me is what i want to do. |
| 15:34.18 | Com[Plex | somone screwed up |
| 15:34.32 | Com[Plex | the battery is Not the 1700mah |
| 15:34.48 | Com[Plex | they screwed up. the battery thats in it is the 930mah type |
| 15:34.50 | find_me | Com[Plex: please explain. screwed up ? |
| 15:35.02 | find_me | Com[Plex: but the price is quiet less. |
| 15:35.08 | doughecka | hmm, can I put a 1700mah battery in it? |
| 15:35.15 | Com[Plex | the HSN page falsely advertised. |
| 15:35.36 | ivan | find_me: yes they bought some chinese kids to work for free |
| 15:35.36 | Com[Plex | not without the battery cover from the 5600 you cant. the 1700 battery is BIGger in size |
| 15:35.39 | darius_ | fine_me: it's the jeode jvm http://www.insignia.com/content/products/jvm/pda.shtml |
| 15:36.11 | doughecka | oh |
| 15:36.20 | Com[Plex | the price is perfect, but dont expect tp get the 1700 battery. its not gonna be in there. |
| 15:36.50 | Com[Plex | I bought mine last night. that makes three zauruses. haha. |
| 15:36.52 | raceme | Com[Plex: you can cut the little ergot and it will fit and work; but you can't close the compartiment |
| 15:37.00 | Com[Plex | I got two 5000ds. and now a 5500. |
| 15:37.15 | Com[Plex | racement, that will be pretty lame dont you think? |
| 15:37.26 | Com[Plex | holy smokes doug. how?? |
| 15:37.27 | ivan | doughecka: wow, where? |
| 15:37.40 | Com[Plex | used? |
| 15:37.42 | Com[Plex | ebay |
| 15:37.47 | doughecka | broken off ebay |
| 15:37.48 | doughecka | :) |
| 15:37.50 | raceme | Com[Plex: i'll sayt that to you in a few days, i'll get my new batterie by then... |
| 15:37.51 | doughecka | someone flashed it wrong |
| 15:38.00 | Com[Plex | NICE |
| 15:38.11 | Com[Plex | sharp will fix that for ya |
| 15:38.18 | Com[Plex | its good that they were too stupid to call tech support |
| 15:38.27 | doughecka | hah |
| 15:38.30 | doughecka | hm, brb |
| 15:38.35 | noidd | heh, I sold my broken one on ebay to some gullable fool |
| 15:38.37 | Com[Plex | raceme: your GETTING a 1700mah battery?? |
| 15:38.45 | raceme | Com[Plex: between autonomy of 5 and 18 hours i prefer 18 even if i can close the door :) |
| 15:38.45 | Com[Plex | where? how much was it? |
| 15:38.48 | noidd | interupted during flash, sharp said they woulnd't fix it |
| 15:38.55 | noidd | sold it on ebay |
| 15:39.06 | ivan | crap, i hope that doesn't happen |
| 15:39.06 | raceme | Com[Plex: brought by SuKoShi from japan, 65 euros. |
| 15:39.06 | noidd | sent it off yesterday |
| 15:39.08 | Com[Plex | noidd: thats bukllshit |
| 15:39.10 | ivan | doesn't it have a reset button? |
| 15:39.24 | noidd | bout 140$ ish |
| 15:39.28 | noidd | plus shipping |
| 15:39.30 | Com[Plex | I sent my 5000d in back in jabnuary after a bunk flash, they fixed it |
| 15:39.56 | noidd | hehe, I am bullshitting :-) |
| 15:40.00 | Com[Plex | ahhh |
| 15:40.01 | Com[Plex | hahah |
| 15:40.11 | Com[Plex | I started to figure that out. haha |
| 15:40.13 | noidd | didja think I sold it to ya then? :-) |
| 15:40.19 | Com[Plex | dougs probably like !!!WTF?! |
| 15:40.55 | noidd | looks like we got a working buildsystem :-D |
| 15:41.12 | Com[Plex | hey raceme: how did yuo get a 1700mah battery? - as replacement for the 5600? could you share this knowledge to the rest of us? or at least me? :) |
| 15:41.27 | raceme | i'm trying to find why OZ is blocked during 20 seconds when i wake from suspend... I have a CF with VFAT and a SD with ext2. It seems to come from the CF. |
| 15:42.10 | Com[Plex | Ull bet its because you have a lot of Paths on the CF card with lots of files |
| 15:42.19 | raceme | Com[Plex: i don't know how SuKoShi did but he went to japan a few days ago and brought back some batteries for french zaurus geeks :) |
| 15:42.22 | Com[Plex | fire up medium mount abnd tell it not to search that device for documents |
| 15:42.23 | SuKoShi | :p |
| 15:42.32 | Com[Plex | ahhh. |
| 15:42.47 | Com[Plex | will SuKoShi share the knowhow? |
| 15:42.51 | raceme | Com[Plex: i deactivated all the medium scans and there is still the 20 secondes wait. |
| 15:42.55 | SuKoShi | i'm now using my c700 with a 1800mah batt ;) |
| 15:43.22 | Com[Plex | see. I ask because I am of the ability to manufacture a new battery cover if I had the battery to mold to. |
| 15:43.34 | raceme | hi SuKoShi,sorry to wake you up :) |
| 15:43.36 | Com[Plex | thats weird raceme |
| 15:43.45 | Com[Plex | let me try mine |
| 15:43.56 | SuKoShi | ;) |
| 15:43.56 | Com[Plex | oh god my z has been on all ngiht,. lol |
| 15:44.11 | Com[Plex | workis instantly with mine race |
| 15:44.36 | Com[Plex | but I dont have a lot of paths on mine, jsut a couelp off the root, with files in them. no nosted paths. <trees> |
| 15:44.53 | raceme | medium mount -> enable medium checking is not cheked ! |
| 15:44.58 | noidd | gah, shit |
| 15:45.01 | SuKoShi | raceme: tiens je vais utiliser la tienne :p |
| 15:45.07 | noidd | what is this new ipk format |
| 15:45.13 | noidd | and how the hell do I break it open ? |
| 15:45.14 | raceme | i just rebooted to test and it is the same |
| 15:45.18 | raceme | SuKoShi: grrrrr.... :) |
| 15:45.28 | s003apr | the zaurus developer site seems to be down...does anybody know where else I can find instructions on how to access my zaurus from linux? |
| 15:45.28 | SuKoShi | raceme: testing purpose ;) |
| 15:45.30 | Com[Plex | any luck getting OZ working on a dell axim? my friend got one recently. the stupid thign doesnt recognise EITHER of my network cards, wifi or rj45 |
| 15:45.43 | Com[Plex | noid, use "ar -x filename.ipk" |
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| 15:45.48 | noidd | thanks |
| 15:46.11 | ivan | how would you prevent flashing screwing up the system? just not turning it off? |
| 15:46.27 | Com[Plex | its an "ar" file - because tar'ing a file, an then gzipping it was too lame, used way more cpu time, took orever, etc. ar is done in one step. |
| 15:46.31 | noidd | ivan: you let it fisnisg |
| 15:46.59 | Com[Plex | ivan there is a couple ways. A dont shut it off, B - dontuse a "OSPACK" image to flash, only use the initrd.bin and zImage files to flash |
| 15:47.13 | ivan | ok |
| 15:47.31 | Com[Plex | the OSPACK is made up of 4 or 5 files. one of those flashes the "root" of your rom. wich if it fails. will lobotomize your zaurus. |
| 15:47.57 | ivan | can OpenZaurus run hancom office? |
| 15:47.57 | raceme | Com[Plex: ok i suspend, i wake up and this idiot eject then remount the CF card ! |
| 15:47.57 | Com[Plex | the OSPACK includes initrd.bin and zImage files. - but fi you extract just those files. and only flash them, then your "root" is left alone |
| 15:48.15 | Com[Plex | really? |
| 15:48.23 | Com[Plex | maybe you need to format your card. |
| 15:48.28 | raceme | Com[Plex: yes it does :( |
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| 15:48.42 | darmou | hi all |
| 15:48.43 | noidd | erm, in the new .ipk files - is it only the control file you need? |
| 15:48.51 | noidd | is that the only compulrasy file now? |
| 15:48.57 | raceme | Com[Plex: /dev/hda1 type vfat |
| 15:49.09 | darmou | has anyone here played prboom? |
| 15:49.18 | SuKoShi | raceme : Elle marche bien ;) |
| 15:49.26 | raceme | SuKoShi: murf ! |
| 15:49.35 | Com[Plex | ya know, I have three cf cards. - one of those cards will work fine in my usb card reader/writer, but my zaurus wont see it. - thats how I killed my first z, why I had to send it in for repair. - because it happened SUDDDENLY during a flash. Next I have a 128mb cf card, wich works perfectly in my z, but every time I plug it into my reader, windows says that my reader was unplugged. |
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| 15:49.52 | doughecka | yay, my cf reader arrived |
| 15:49.58 | Com[Plex | I have to punplug it, bplug it back in,. and then it sees my card fine. - my 3rd cf card is a 64megger, wich works perfectly in both |
| 15:50.31 | darmou | Has anyone installed opera on oz? |
| 15:50.40 | raceme | Com[Plex: ok i see... On my side I cannot use my cf/sd reader on my desktop because of bugged VIA usb chipsets :( |
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| 15:50.53 | raceme | darmou: yes i just did it this night |
| 15:50.59 | Com[Plex | niodd: the new ipks are identiccal to the old ones, except for the "ar" format on the maine ipk. once you un-ar that file. the files within it are tar'gz'd |
| 15:51.06 | Suko|C700 | hi from the c700... |
| 15:51.18 | darmou | raceme did you manage to get all the buttons to display ok? |
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| 15:51.35 | darmou | hi cozzano:) |
| 15:51.35 | Com[Plex | darmou |
| 15:51.37 | Suko|C700 | raceme : le wifi c est vraiment le pied :) |
| 15:51.41 | raceme | darmou: you have to copy the libqte lib from sharp rom and LD_PRELOAD it |
| 15:51.54 | cozzano | hi guys, what's happening in here? |
| 15:51.56 | Com[Plex | I was supposed to take care of that with an installer for hancom. |
| 15:52.15 | Com[Plex | not much |
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| 15:52.44 | raceme | darmou: then there is a link to do: ln -s /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons/ /usr/share/operabuttons |
| 15:52.56 | Com[Plex | for hancom? |
| 15:53.02 | Com[Plex | hes taklin abouit hanmcom hehe. |
| 15:53.08 | raceme | darmou: it works fine except that it doesn't find a Maximise button image file and i am stuck there. |
| 15:53.25 | cozzano | for you oz guys: which do you use, konq or opera? Thinking of going oz you see . . . |
| 15:53.38 | Com[Plex | raceme: there is no maximise button. all the apps give that erropr |
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| 15:53.44 | raceme | Com[Plex: ah ok |
| 15:53.48 | Suko|C700 | i like netfront. |
| 15:54.05 | Com[Plex | well. I like them both, but I use opera because IMDB.com doesnt like konq |
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| 15:54.16 | darmou | raceme cool thanks for the advice, I'll give it a go, a few programs like prboom have that maximise button error but seem to work ok anyway |
| 15:54.40 | Suko|C700 | i hope it will be possible to take it from the c700's sharp rom and use it on upcoming OZ |
| 15:54.44 | Com[Plex | I want a graphical netstat program for the z. or like a connection detector. so I can see if someone conencts over ssh or ftp or anything. |
| 15:55.08 | Com[Plex | opera? yeah probably.. |
| 15:55.44 | Suko|C700 | not opera, netfront |
| 15:55.51 | Com[Plex | hmm |
| 15:55.59 | Com[Plex | who makes netfront? I never heard of it |
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| 15:56.18 | Suko|C700 | a famous japanese company |
| 15:56.21 | Com[Plex | where can I download the latest rom for the c700? Ill openj it up, and see if I can get netfront working with 3.2 |
| 15:56.23 | Suko|C700 | access co ltd |
| 15:56.30 | Suko|C700 | www.access.co.jp |
| 15:56.34 | darmou | raceme cool that worked fine. |
| 15:56.35 | ivan | the compact flash card is included too, right? |
| 15:56.39 | ivan | with the 5500? |
| 15:56.39 | rcm[zaurus] | i can do it too :) |
| 15:56.48 | Suko|C700 | every mobile phone in japan are access equipped |
| 15:57.17 | Suko|C700 | http://sl.ezaurus.com/ |
| 15:57.52 | Suko|C700 | if you heard about imode mobile phone, you know access co ltd |
| 15:57.58 | raceme | i just found by mistake #openzaurus but it is silent ? |
| 15:58.17 | ivan | read the topic |
| 15:58.47 | ivan | (in #openzaurus) |
| 15:59.03 | cozzano | is there any way to get flash (as in macromedia) support for the z |
| 15:59.46 | Suko|C700 | Com: go there |
| 15:59.48 | Suko|C700 | http://zaurus.spacetown.ne.jp/sl-c700/update/c700update/c700updatecard.asp |
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| 16:01.28 | Suko|C700 | http://zaurus.spacetown.ne.jp/sl-c700/update/c700update/card_update_70012.exe |
| 16:01.37 | Suko|C700 | this is the link |
| 16:02.05 | Suko|C700 | even if it is a .exe, it is othing else but a lha compressed file |
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| 16:03.07 | Com[Plex | coz, I think I just saw some flash interpreter. but im not sure |
| 16:03.32 | Suko|C700 | for netfront? |
| 16:03.33 | Suko|C700 | no |
| 16:03.59 | Suko|C700 | i am using it since i still was warwalking in japan |
| 16:04.17 | Suko|C700 | and it doesn t display flash |
| 16:04.32 | Com[Plex | no, im talking about a flsh interpreter for konq or somethin |
| 16:04.41 | Com[Plex | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=flash+ |
| 16:04.45 | Suko|C700 | oh sorry |
| 16:05.37 | SuKoShi | i never tried Konqueror yet |
| 16:06.08 | cozzano | hmm, had a look and i don't see anything - am i missing something? |
| 16:06.14 | Com[Plex | its okay, I dont think its as good as opera |
| 16:06.27 | SuKoShi | nor netfront |
| 16:06.28 | Com[Plex | dunno coz, I cant find it now either |
| 16:06.29 | SuKoShi | ;) |
| 16:06.39 | SuKoShi | i tried opera only once |
| 16:06.48 | SuKoShi | but i really prefer netfront |
| 16:07.48 | raceme | SuKoShi: what is the status of netfront ? free software ? free ? |
| 16:08.00 | SuKoShi | no no no unluckily |
| 16:08.29 | SuKoShi | Access Co Ltd only based its business on selling light browser implementation on mobile computing |
| 16:09.22 | SuKoShi | my imode mobile phone has an Access Co ltd browser in it |
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| 16:11.09 | darmou | I found that konqurer crashed just when loading google thats when I knew konqurer was not great yet |
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| 16:12.43 | darmou | does anyone know what the xwindows package is called in oz? |
| 16:12.49 | noidd | hmmm, a 25 Meg perl installation is not cool on a Z |
| 16:13.33 | yeiazel | perl sucks :) |
| 16:13.44 | noidd | I just gotta trim it down a bit :-P |
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| 16:14.31 | yeiazel | darmou: s/xwindows/X-Window/ |
| 16:14.35 | yeiazel | darmou: it's tinyx |
| 16:15.40 | darmou | ibot tinyx |
| 16:15.41 | | hmm... tinyx is a lightweight version of X running on the TuxScreen platform, it is missing some features. TinyX has been released as a Developers' Release, this code is not yet ready for production use. |
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| 16:23.08 | darmou | thanks yeiazel |
| 16:24.00 | cozzano | for anyone interesed: from konq/e web page: How do I run Flash plugins with Konqueror/Embedded? |
| 16:24.00 | cozzano | At the moment there is no built-in support to run Flash plugins in Konq/E. |
| 16:24.00 | cozzano | However, efforts are on the way to port Netscape plugin support to Konq/E (which will require X) and to port the open-source Flash player to a non-X environment and make it suitable for Konq/E |
| 16:26.17 | darmou | goodnight all |
| 16:33.24 | ivan | convert the flash to a 120 megabyte divx file |
| 16:35.27 | djr | heh |
| 16:35.42 | djr | i cant test any of my resized videos since samba hasnt been put back in the feed |
| 16:36.00 | djr | i need smbmount :( |
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| 16:43.05 | ivan | what's "the feed"? |
| 16:48.29 | djr | the stable, testing, or unstable feed |
| 16:50.43 | kergoth | djr: i'm doing a feed build atm, should be updated today |
| 16:51.13 | djr | cool |
| 16:59.10 | Com[Plex | http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?cat%5Fname=&cat%5Fid=&dept%5Fid=3702&pf%5Fid=MP550311&listing=1 89$.. yikes |
| 17:06.48 | darius_ | does it fit into the 5500? |
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| 17:23.41 | raceme | is the FAQ accurate concerning fbvncserver ? I removed/reinstalled fbvncserver 5 times, rebooted, tapped the screen once opie is loaded and there is nothing in /etc/tssim_cal.conf ? |
| 17:26.03 | raceme | and i just upgraded to unstable concerning busybox update |
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| 17:27.36 | Com[Plex | raceme |
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| 17:27.40 | Com[Plex | theres somethibng else you gotta go |
| 17:27.41 | Com[Plex | do |
| 17:28.10 | mewyn | foo |
| 17:28.14 | Com[Plex | reboot the z, then you gotta configure using the right command. - where did you install fbvncserver? |
| 17:28.22 | Com[Plex | bonk |
| 17:28.27 | raceme | Com[Plex: i installed it on sd. |
| 17:28.33 | Com[Plex | okay then., this is easy |
| 17:28.59 | raceme | grrr... again this suspend/wakeup hang... :( |
| 17:29.03 | Com[Plex | run; /mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst configure |
| 17:29.53 | raceme | ok |
| 17:29.57 | mewyn | damnit! |
| 17:30.41 | mewyn | i used k3b to quickly create a iso, and "Writing image file to /home/mmike/Data1.iso" next line "Removing ISO image /home/mike/Data1.iso" |
| 17:30.43 | mewyn | doh! |
| 17:31.03 | Com[Plex | haha |
| 17:31.33 | raceme | Com[Plex: what the point of running again the postinst script ? isn't it runned during install ? |
| 17:34.09 | Com[Plex | yeah, because for some reason, it isnt run using the "configure" switch |
| 17:34.48 | Com[Plex | if you "more"d it, you woudl see that ti says "if $1 != "configure" then exit" so it wont run. |
| 17:35.05 | Com[Plex | wait a sec. I think there is one more thing with 3.2... |
| 17:35.11 | raceme | Com[Plex: rock'n'roll |
| 17:35.14 | Com[Plex | hang on, I gotta feed my friggin cat. |
| 17:35.16 | raceme | Com[Plex: it works |
| 17:35.42 | zoid | ok, someone point me in the right direction for some free ebooks |
| 17:36.08 | raceme | Com[Plex: thanks a lot |
| 17:36.10 | Com[Plex | it works?! sweet |
| 17:36.31 | Com[Plex | www.freeebooks.com |
| 17:36.42 | Com[Plex | no problem. trust me, it was a nightmare figureing that out |
| 17:37.21 | raceme | ok time for preparing diner... see you later... |
| 17:38.12 | rev | yo |
| 17:38.36 | Com[Plex | sup |
| 17:41.29 | zoid | can Qtopia GnuBoy play gameboy color games? |
| 17:41.35 | zoid | or is there an emu that can? |
| 17:41.40 | MacGyver | yes |
| 17:41.49 | MacGyver | can play .gb .gbc file |
| 17:41.55 | MacGyver | but no .gba |
| 17:42.05 | zoid | kewl |
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| 17:53.47 | SuperH | anyone got Zeeswan to operate correctly on the Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 with OZ 3.2? |
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| 18:08.14 | TSDgeos | hi, one question |
| 18:08.25 | TSDgeos | do www.HSN.com ship to europe? |
| 18:08.34 | TSDgeos | or it is only for the usa? |
| 18:10.46 | chouimat | hi |
| 18:11.39 | ljp_work | yo, hwat up, G? |
| 18:11.41 | TSDgeos | hi |
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| 18:15.37 | darius_ | shoot |
| 18:15.41 | darius_ | docs.zaurus.com is down? |
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| 18:16.51 | darius_ | heh, so is developer.sharpsec.com aka http://www.zaurus.com/dev |
| 18:17.02 | darius_ | just when I got the itch :( |
| 18:17.16 | ljp_work | they probably got rid of those servers |
| 18:18.43 | cor | "We apologize for the inconvenience but the Sharp Zaurus site is down for maintenance." |
| 18:20.59 | fliplap | doh |
| 18:22.33 | warmi | one day you will see "We apologize for the inconvenience but the Sharp PDA division in US is down for maintenance." |
| 18:22.39 | warmi | and that day is approaching fast |
| 18:22.41 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:23.52 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 18:24.25 | warmi | HI |
| 18:24.44 | mewyn | ow... my ears |
| 18:26.53 | cor | you figure they dropping the zaurus division? |
| 18:27.28 | warmi | not the ZAurus , just US/western version |
| 18:27.36 | warmi | Zs are still quite popular in Japan |
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| 18:28.44 | cor | that'd suck, i had to goto the US just to get my Z |
| 18:28.47 | fliplap | i'm suprised they aren't more popular here |
| 18:29.26 | cor | damn palm pilots are ubiquitous here |
| 18:29.40 | fliplap | i do miss my PalmVx |
| 18:29.47 | fliplap | they're just so easy to use |
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| 18:29.56 | fliplap | and small |
| 18:29.57 | warmi | fliplap: PocketPC is what killed the ZAurus in US |
| 18:30.10 | fliplap | nod |
| 18:30.23 | fliplap | there's just more software :-/ |
| 18:30.55 | warmi | not to mention a minor detail that at the moment PPC works better |
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| 18:30.58 | warmi | heh |
| 18:31.00 | doughecka | ho |
| 18:31.07 | fliplap | well, yeah, that too |
| 18:31.27 | fliplap | but both platforms have serious dependibility issues |
| 18:31.37 | warmi | I mean if you don't care for a lot of commercial software then Zs will live on - witness OZ/Opie project |
| 18:31.41 | fliplap | that was one really nice thing about Palms, you rarely had to reset them |
| 18:31.59 | fliplap | i reset my Z everyday, a couple times a day |
| 18:32.06 | doughecka | why? |
| 18:32.15 | fliplap | it'll lock up |
| 18:32.23 | doughecka | I had win ces that I never have to reset |
| 18:32.38 | fliplap | my buddy has a PPC that he resets all the time |
| 18:32.48 | doughecka | newfangled operating systems |
| 18:32.50 | fliplap | i mean soft reset, not full |
| 18:32.50 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:32.52 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:33.22 | doughecka | I NEVER have to do a soft reset, I sometimes read books everyday for a month, and never reset it |
| 18:34.32 | doughecka | whats a really cool app for the zaurus? |
| 18:34.33 | mewyn | one thing it'd like to get is a tungsten w, but it's still on dragonball processor |
| 18:34.48 | doughecka | hmm, but palms are so... out dated :) |
| 18:34.55 | fliplap | but so useful |
| 18:35.00 | doughecka | thats true |
| 18:35.07 | fliplap | and frankly, there's nothing on the Z that compares to avantgo |
| 18:35.08 | doughecka | heck |
| 18:35.10 | mewyn | not the new 5 and arm ones |
| 18:35.20 | doughecka | they have a palm emulator for the zaurus |
| 18:35.32 | fliplap | but its dirt slow |
| 18:35.34 | warmi | doughecka : barely working palm emulator |
| 18:35.37 | cor | fliplap a wifi cards and opera are pretty good match ;) |
| 18:35.51 | fliplap | cor: its still no avantgo |
| 18:35.54 | doughecka | it still will make my friends go wow |
| 18:36.13 | fliplap | avantgo i can hit the sync button before i get in the shower and have enough news to get me through the entire day |
| 18:36.20 | cor | fliplap i have good success with zepo |
| 18:36.24 | doughecka | thats true, I have used it alot |
| 18:36.27 | warmi | Zs has some nice games , it is good for wirless chating , listening to mp3 , some hacking around the OS - basically a perfect harcker PDA |
| 18:36.28 | fliplap | whats zepo? |
| 18:36.34 | doughecka | I would like to see that on the Z too |
| 18:36.40 | fliplap | warmi: totally :-) |
| 18:36.48 | cor | ibot zepo |
| 18:36.51 | | cor: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:37.01 | fliplap | thats what i tell friends, if you're not going to be a geek with it, get something else |
| 18:37.06 | fliplap | its a hacker toy |
| 18:37.07 | doughecka | ~undelete zepo |
| 18:37.07 | | doughecka: that factoid was not backedup :/ |
| 18:37.23 | cor | fliplap zepo: http://www.alterna.tv/zepo/ |
| 18:37.33 | doughecka | bad server |
| 18:37.36 | doughecka | :( |
| 18:37.42 | fliplap | yup, no workie |
| 18:37.50 | doughecka | http://zsi2.stonekeep.com/index.php?v=d&a=683 |
| 18:37.56 | doughecka | google is your friend |
| 18:37.58 | warmi | fliplap the downside of this is that there aren't enough hackers to sustain product line like that |
| 18:37.59 | warmi | heh |
| 18:38.06 | doughecka | texts only though :( |
| 18:38.22 | cor | doughecka not true, it downloads images too |
| 18:38.27 | doughecka | oh? |
| 18:38.31 | doughecka | it said so on the web page |
| 18:38.34 | cor | it's commercial, like $5usd |
| 18:38.43 | cor | doughecka well i use it, i have images :) |
| 18:38.43 | doughecka | oh bah, and its costs 8 bucks |
| 18:38.48 | fliplap | Zepo, an off-line text-only Web browser and information center for PDA and mobile devices. |
| 18:38.49 | doughecka | :( |
| 18:39.23 | warmi | anyone here owns a PocketPC device ? |
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| 18:39.34 | cor | it just downloads all the content to a cache, then you can use opera to view it (it's renderer isn't the best) |
| 18:39.35 | doughecka | nah, I sold all my pdas |
| 18:39.44 | doughecka | cor: cool |
| 18:39.55 | fliplap | opera rocks |
| 18:40.11 | fliplap | i just installed it on OZ |
| 18:40.13 | warmi | doughecka : 5500 from HSN ? |
| 18:40.17 | fliplap | so many times better than konq |
| 18:40.25 | doughecka | 5500 from ebay... for 142 :P |
| 18:41.07 | warmi | ok |
| 18:41.08 | doughecka | it was broken... :) |
| 18:41.30 | doughecka | it showed the flash screen, and a cursor... ;) |
| 18:41.44 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:42.00 | doughecka | hopefully I can reflash it |
| 18:42.12 | mewyn | watch, flash is dead |
| 18:42.22 | doughecka | ? |
| 18:42.51 | ivan | you're gonna have to wait several months for a repair |
| 18:43.03 | doughecka | why? |
| 18:44.20 | ivan | <Com[Plex>ivan there is a couple ways. A dont shut it off, B - dontuse a "OSPACK" image to flash, only use the initrd.bin and zImage files to flash |
| 18:44.26 | ivan | it might have been an OSPACK flash |
| 18:44.39 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:44.41 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:44.51 | kergoth`bbl | flashing ospack isnt a problem in and of itself. but if ospack was corrupted, or its flash was interrupted |
| 18:45.01 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:45.18 | doughecka | but it might have been someone flashing OZ on it |
| 18:45.31 | kergoth`bbl | if a zimage+initrd flash gets interrupted or corrupted, nothing is harmed, just flash it again |
| 18:45.34 | kergoth`bbl | yep |
| 18:45.38 | kergoth`bbl | bbl |
| 18:45.53 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:46.29 | darius_ | there sa commercial street map software for the zaurus? |
| 18:46.39 | doughecka | you wish |
| 18:46.41 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:46.53 | doughecka | I dunno |
| 18:47.51 | fliplap | German lawyer demands Linus Torvalds drop Linux name |
| 18:47.58 | fliplap | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8734 |
| 18:47.59 | doughecka | hahhaa |
| 18:48.01 | fliplap | thats funny |
| 18:49.11 | doughecka | idi8s |
| 18:50.35 | doughecka | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=802 |
| 18:51.24 | fliplap | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.52 | doughecka | germans, what do ya expect? :) |
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| 18:54.32 | doughecka | 'lo |
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| 18:56.32 | fliplap | does www.opera.com crash opera for anyone else? |
| 18:56.38 | warmi | hahaha |
| 18:56.43 | warmi | you kidding right ? |
| 18:56.45 | fliplap | no |
| 18:56.47 | fliplap | not at all |
| 18:56.48 | doughecka | hahahhha |
| 18:56.55 | fliplap | every other site works fine |
| 18:57.10 | doughecka | works fine for me |
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| 18:58.12 | fliplap | lemme charge me camera battery and i'll take a quick video of it |
| 18:58.27 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:58.43 | warmi | works fine here |
| 18:58.49 | warmi | this is on Sharp ROM |
| 18:59.06 | fliplap | i'm running it on OZ |
| 18:59.43 | warmi | fliplap I remember raceme has some problem with opera crashing on OZ when trying to access png files |
| 18:59.49 | warmi | some sort of pnglib issues |
| 18:59.53 | warmi | has= had |
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| 19:00.07 | doughecka | http://www.mmhart.com/macintosh_zaurus.htm |
| 19:00.37 | fliplap | hmm, whats a site with some pngs on it? |
| 19:00.44 | fliplap | actually, pngs work fine |
| 19:00.50 | doughecka | png.org? |
| 19:00.50 | doughecka | :P |
| 19:00.53 | fliplap | i have em on my site :-) |
| 19:01.24 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:01.51 | jshare | anyone know how to use the scummvm? |
| 19:01.52 | fliplap | opera should port to PPC, its much nicer than any other small screen browser out there |
| 19:02.02 | jshare | i have Sam and Max already |
| 19:02.14 | warmi | fliplap yeah, beats PPC IE |
| 19:02.24 | doughecka | ~lart IE |
| 19:02.37 | fliplap | yup. by a lot |
| 19:03.24 | warmi | but only on a PDA |
| 19:03.34 | warmi | on the desktop nothing comes even close to IE |
| 19:03.46 | doughecka | heh |
| 19:03.51 | warmi | well, phoenix is slowly getting there but not yet |
| 19:04.04 | fliplap | dude, mozilla blows IE away on the desktop |
| 19:04.12 | warmi | nah |
| 19:04.12 | doughecka | barely |
| 19:04.14 | warmi | not for me |
| 19:04.30 | fliplap | i sometimes use IE on accident and get all pissed when i get popups |
| 19:04.39 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:04.46 | warmi | heh |
| 19:04.49 | cor | fliplap stop surfin for pr0n ;) |
| 19:04.52 | warmi | don't go to porn sites then |
| 19:04.55 | warmi | heh |
| 19:05.01 | jshare | http://www.daishar.com/nopopie.php |
| 19:05.04 | fliplap | i'm not going to give up porn to use IE |
| 19:05.09 | jshare | i use that to not get popups on ie |
| 19:05.23 | fliplap | jshare: but i can do it without that in mozilla :-) |
| 19:05.28 | doughecka | thats what I use |
| 19:05.33 | doughecka | very nice |
| 19:05.37 | zoid | turn on the home shopping network...the zaurus is being sold :) |
| 19:05.37 | cor | i just wish you could pivot opera horizontally |
| 19:05.43 | fliplap | me too |
| 19:05.47 | cor | webpages aren't designed for height |
| 19:05.52 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:05.55 | fliplap | that is one thing it looses out to compared to konq |
| 19:05.59 | doughecka | doesnt the new OZ flip the screen? |
| 19:06.03 | doughecka | or rotate it? |
| 19:06.10 | fliplap | yeah, but it can't rotate opera |
| 19:06.15 | doughecka | huh |
| 19:06.36 | fliplap | they use fixed sizes |
| 19:06.47 | doughecka | hmm, bummer |
| 19:06.52 | fliplap | so it rotates, but doesn't fill the screen, and the bottom gets cut off |
| 19:07.14 | doughecka | patches welcome! |
| 19:07.15 | doughecka | :P |
| 19:07.53 | mutexer | warmi: you here? |
| 19:08.12 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:08.37 | mutexer | what would be the cause of my png showing red instead of being transparent with ZSurface? |
| 19:08.47 | mutexer | Im doing a bitBlitAlpha |
| 19:08.54 | mutexer | and I set true when loading it |
| 19:09.04 | warmi | hmm ... let me see |
| 19:09.37 | warmi | perhaps your png doesn't have alpha channel .. load it in gimp and check if it has alpha layer |
| 19:10.37 | warmi | btw .. that PocketPC installer I was talking about is called EZSetup |
| 19:10.55 | mutexer | yep it has alpha |
| 19:10.58 | mutexer | cool.. Ill see if I can find that |
| 19:11.15 | warmi | can you send this png to me ? |
| 19:11.38 | mutexer | dcc? |
| 19:11.45 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:11.47 | warmi | try dcc |
| 19:11.48 | warmi | should work |
| 19:12.26 | warmi | actually, it doesn't look like it is going .. |
| 19:12.33 | warmi | warmi@warmi.net |
| 19:12.36 | warmi | can email it ? |
| 19:12.54 | warmi | I don't know why but dcc is not going thru |
| 19:12.59 | jshare | hahaha, i've never watched HSN before |
| 19:13.00 | *** join/#zaurus hobbified (mom@port-97-239-tnt01.avoca.nni.com) |
| 19:13.01 | jshare | this is hilarious |
| 19:13.06 | mutexer | k |
| 19:13.07 | jshare | this lady is a freak |
| 19:13.41 | warmi | jshare: yeah .. this is a channel for people who have no one to socialize with so they call and buy stuff just to talk with other people |
| 19:13.51 | warmi | I read that once somewhere |
| 19:13.53 | *** join/#zaurus jumpkick (foobar@66.207.203.99) |
| 19:13.58 | jshare | damn, they sold 100 in the last 2 minutes |
| 19:14.09 | fliplap | yeah, hsn is scary |
| 19:14.11 | warmi | 5500s ? |
| 19:14.17 | jshare | yeah |
| 19:14.22 | ivan | they must have a million or something |
| 19:14.22 | fliplap | oo is it on now? |
| 19:14.29 | jshare | she just said "900 left" and sh had said 1000 2 minutes ago |
| 19:14.33 | jshare | ya, it's on now |
| 19:14.42 | warmi | mutexer: did you sent the email yet ? |
| 19:14.52 | warmi | "did you send " that is |
| 19:15.18 | jshare | 800 left |
| 19:15.21 | fliplap | haha |
| 19:15.23 | mutexer | warmi: sent now |
| 19:15.25 | ivan | they're lying |
| 19:15.28 | jshare | lol |
| 19:15.35 | fliplap | FINAL opertunity |
| 19:15.45 | fliplap | mpeg1 and 3, linux jap and java |
| 19:15.52 | fliplap | hehe froot! |
| 19:16.02 | jshare | oo, i should install froot |
| 19:16.03 | fliplap | what? froot isn't included |
| 19:16.04 | ivan | what's linux jap? |
| 19:16.08 | fliplap | she just said it was |
| 19:16.27 | *** join/#zaurus phoen][x (phoenix@p3E9E4A4F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:16.27 | fliplap | i'll show you a bigger package than anyone else |
| 19:16.37 | jshare | lol |
| 19:16.38 | fliplap | man she's a liar |
| 19:16.48 | jshare | they do have the best price |
| 19:16.53 | fliplap | no one has it for $499 because they all have it for $379 |
| 19:16.55 | fliplap | yeah they do |
| 19:16.58 | jshare | yeah |
| 19:17.24 | fliplap | eeeee mails |
| 19:17.31 | ivan | mine's in the "ready to ship" status |
| 19:17.56 | jshare | it's weird that they don't see CF wifi cards too |
| 19:18.01 | jshare | sell |
| 19:18.08 | fliplap | she hasn't remembered to close any of the apps |
| 19:18.15 | cozzano | hi, whats the calcender data file called in the sharp rom? |
| 19:18.19 | fliplap | i'm gonna laugh if she gets a low memory error |
| 19:18.21 | mutexer | warmi: Im drawing it twice.. first time it comes up with half of the border the correct color.. the other half blue and its filled red... the second time the entire border is blue and filled red |
| 19:18.24 | warmi | mutexer: hmm .. interesting .. it shows up as "transparent" yellow outlined rectangle in Image Composer but it does show up as red rectangle in PainShop Pro |
| 19:18.33 | jshare | fliplap: lol |
| 19:18.37 | mutexer | hrmm.. odd |
| 19:18.49 | warmi | mutexer: let me investigate some more ... |
| 19:18.55 | jshare | she's scaring me |
| 19:19.04 | fliplap | fulying these will be gone in the shhhhowow |
| 19:19.31 | mutexer | hmm.. perhaps the png is bad.. I just tried clear alpha in gimp and it crashed |
| 19:19.33 | fliplap | haha read the email! |
| 19:19.37 | jshare | yeah |
| 19:19.42 | jshare | Woops, no MIME |
| 19:19.44 | fliplap | "Your email reader does not support this format" |
| 19:19.44 | warmi | mutexer : have yoy tried drawing it on the screen using QPainter and QImage just to see if you get the same result as with ZSurface ? |
| 19:20.01 | fliplap | lousy movie too |
| 19:20.04 | mutexer | nope.. didnt get this till after I converted to ZSurface |
| 19:20.15 | mutexer | I think it might be a bad png.. cause the rest of the stuff Im drawing works |
| 19:20.19 | warmi | mutexer: hmm |
| 19:20.20 | fliplap | wow, most award winning PDA on earth |
| 19:20.24 | jshare | it's funny how she keeps saying "it's my own opinion" |
| 19:20.27 | jshare | to cover her ass |
| 19:20.32 | ivan | tell me if she gets any errors |
| 19:20.45 | ivan | err, low memory ones |
| 19:20.46 | fliplap | that can't be an opinion |
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| 19:20.56 | fliplap | damn, she's freaky |
| 19:20.59 | jshare | yeah |
| 19:21.44 | fliplap | if she tried to sell me it like that at a retail store i'd walk away |
| 19:21.48 | jshare | :) |
| 19:21.56 | jshare | HSN is truly frightening |
| 19:21.57 | ivan | HSN is amazing at covering up software errors |
| 19:22.01 | fliplap | in fact, if i had seen that before i saw it on their site, i wouldn't have bought it |
| 19:22.17 | ivan | "let me just close this and start it again" covering the screen with glare |
| 19:22.17 | fliplap | ivan: they probably run thru that skit 20 times |
| 19:22.18 | jshare | i saw it on /. last week or whenever that was |
| 19:22.28 | jshare | that's when I bought mine |
| 19:22.28 | fliplap | yeah, i found it on /. too |
| 19:22.32 | fliplap | ditto |
| 19:22.40 | jshare | then my fiancee bought one last night, because she liked mine |
| 19:22.44 | fliplap | 300 left |
| 19:23.12 | warmi | mutexer : I send you the same png as saved by my graphic program .. see if that one works for you |
| 19:23.39 | cor | cozzano mine's called: ~/Applications/datebook/datebook.xml |
| 19:23.45 | jshare | wow, 140 for that camcorder? |
| 19:23.56 | jshare | now i see the insidious power of HSN |
| 19:24.26 | mutexer | warmi: I just remade the image and my new image works... that other png was just fscked |
| 19:24.41 | mutexer | thanks for the help |
| 19:24.55 | warmi | btw ... why are you using images like that ... you could easily creating something like that using drawLine on the fly |
| 19:25.07 | dhr | I'm trying to order the Zaurus from HSN. The 15% off coupon seems to be rejected. Anybody done this? Help! |
| 19:25.18 | jshare | yeah , i couldnt' get any of the coupons to work last night |
| 19:25.22 | jshare | when my fiancee was buying hers |
| 19:25.26 | jshare | oh well |
| 19:25.38 | jshare | $222 shipped, iirc |
| 19:25.53 | warmi | or even create image like that in memory during startup .. just create Zsurface of this size .. fill with color that you will consider transparent ( for blitKeyed) and then draw 4 yellow lines on top |
| 19:25.54 | ivan | the 15% worked for me |
| 19:26.04 | ivan | it's new customers only |
| 19:26.13 | dhr | I'm a new customer. |
| 19:26.16 | jshare | hmm, i wonder if it's because her billing address is the same as mine |
| 19:26.20 | jshare | she's a new customer |
| 19:26.44 | mutexer | warmi: yeah...didnt think about that |
| 19:26.54 | dhr | I've got additional problems. I'm in Canada, so I'm fudging different things. |
| 19:27.20 | dhr | Cannot even phone the 800 number, not even if I am willing to pah LD fee. |
| 19:27.29 | dhr | s/pah/pay/ |
| 19:27.57 | mutexer | warmi: I just checked the one you sent.. it almost worked.. the red was gone but instead of the yellow border it was a blue border .... that png must have had some issues |
| 19:28.15 | fliplap | dhr: use the website |
| 19:28.20 | warmi | btw ... mutexer - try using blitKeyed whenever possible - blitAlpha is much slower and should be used only for true alpha surfaces ( with multiple "shades" of transparency ) like for "dropShadow" things |
| 19:28.35 | fliplap | they're down to the last 100! |
| 19:28.54 | fliplap | and it also cures cancer and ends world hunger....but thats just her opinion |
| 19:29.04 | warmi | mutexer : yeah , must be something with png ... what my program does is to load this image usingf QImage and then reads alpha information from QImage |
| 19:29.21 | cor | dhr they don't ship to Canada |
| 19:29.22 | mutexer | warmi: Im using blitAlpha to save from converting all the images |
| 19:29.23 | warmi | so whatever happens as far as png handling is happening inside of QImage |
| 19:30.01 | mutexer | although I do have all the art in keyed bitmaps now for the pocketPC port.. I guess I could use those for the Zaurus too |
| 19:30.20 | warmi | mutexer: well if it is fast enough - it doesn't matter .. |
| 19:30.31 | warmi | but if you are doing this might as well add some nice shadows to your sprites :-) |
| 19:30.44 | warmi | it will act almost like a antialiased sprite |
| 19:30.48 | warmi | ihmo of course |
| 19:31.34 | mutexer | well, I wont have that on pocketPC side so I dont think itll be worth the effort to do it |
| 19:31.35 | jshare | has anyone gotten scummvm to work? |
| 19:31.48 | jshare | mostly, i want ot know what files i need to run the game |
| 19:32.19 | warmi | mutexer : this is a screenshot from my new game for PPC and the ZAurus - http://www.warmi.net/images/zraid.png |
| 19:32.27 | warmi | see these shadows below each sprite ? |
| 19:32.35 | warmi | this is what blitAlpha was intended for |
| 19:32.57 | warmi | it "softenst" the sprite a lot |
| 19:33.00 | mutexer | cool |
| 19:33.04 | warmi | softens even |
| 19:33.33 | mutexer | I may switch to keyed.. specially if the bitmaps are smaller than my current png/jpg |
| 19:33.43 | warmi | yeah, it will be faster |
| 19:34.05 | warmi | but as you said .. if it is already fast enough then this doesn't really mater |
| 19:34.11 | mutexer | your game reminds me of an old cool game.. I cant think of the name of it |
| 19:34.15 | ivan | well it might cure cancer if you run folding@home on it |
| 19:34.32 | warmi | this is a modern remake of my alltime favourite shooter River Raid |
| 19:34.43 | mutexer | yeah thats it.. River Raid |
| 19:35.05 | warmi | I used to waste hours on end playing that on Atari 800 XL |
| 19:35.06 | warmi | heh |
| 19:35.11 | hobbs | looks pretty nice. |
| 19:35.27 | hobbs | one of my old favorites is Raptor. Which this also bears some resemblance to. |
| 19:36.06 | warmi | hobbs : yeah . but raptor was a bit different .. in this one your plane is flyuing inside of a canyon of sorts ... |
| 19:36.38 | warmi | but yeah .. I liked raptor a lot |
| 19:36.51 | warmi | it was released for PC somewhere around 1994 or so |
| 19:37.01 | hobbs | I've got the shareware versions of the new win32/linux ports. |
| 19:37.09 | hobbs | considered buying it, but I'm pretty broke atm. |
| 19:37.28 | hobbs | but anyway, I'm gonna bail out for a bit. cya. |
| 19:37.49 | warmi | this is the original River Raid : http://screenmania.retrogames.com/c64/02/c64_0044.html |
| 19:37.51 | warmi | hehhe |
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| 19:42.02 | TSDgeos | hi |
| 19:42.17 | TSDgeos | is SL5600 muhc better than SL5500¿ |
| 19:42.59 | warmi | well, it is better but not "$300" better if you know what I mean :-) |
| 19:43.17 | warmi | you can get 5500 for around $200 these days |
| 19:43.30 | TSDgeos | well i see it at the topic |
| 19:43.45 | TSDgeos | but it is only for USA people, isn'i it? |
| 19:43.56 | warmi | I am not sure |
| 19:43.59 | TSDgeos | i've visited that website and they don't seem to ship to europe |
| 19:44.23 | warmi | it is Home Shopping Network |
| 19:44.33 | warmi | I guess they ship only to US/Canada |
| 19:44.39 | cor | TSDgeos http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/general.php3 << see #6 |
| 19:44.53 | ivan | yeah it costs twice as much for europeans |
| 19:44.57 | ivan | neener neener |
| 19:45.47 | mutexer | ahh yes river raid is the game |
| 19:46.05 | cozzano | cor: Thanks for the datebook info |
| 19:46.21 | cor | cozzano a question that pops into every Z users mind :) |
| 19:46.52 | TSDgeos | any of you mantain that unofficial page? |
| 19:47.04 | cozzano | cor: Just incase . . . . . . :) |
| 19:47.30 | TSDgeos | #6 first link doesn't work |
| 19:47.55 | cor | cozzano personally i don't use any of those sync'ing apps, i just use konqueror on my desktop, ftp into the Z and copy those folders to my desktop |
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| 19:50.34 | cozzano | cor: That actually sounds like an incredably good idea. I think i'll give it a go. Thanks!!! |
| 19:52.14 | cor | cozzano for when you ask: ftp://root@IPofZ:4242 (or 2424) ;) |
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| 20:02.11 | warmi | cor: eeither that or just use samba ... |
| 20:02.20 | warmi | then you can mount your drives directly |
| 20:05.00 | cor | that certainly has it's advantages |
| 20:05.18 | cor | i just need to backup my data, standard paranoia |
| 20:05.26 | warmi | especially if you are running Windows :-) |
| 20:05.32 | cor | ah! |
| 20:05.34 | cor | gawd no |
| 20:06.07 | mutexer | warmi: I noticed in ZSurface you can draw a smaller portion of a loaded bitmap..so you could stack multi stuff in 1 bitmap and index into it.... is this possible in GAPI draw as well? is this how you do it? or do you use multiple images for sprites? |
| 20:07.26 | warmi | I used multiple images but only cause I was lazy ... using big bitmap is a bit more efficient as far as disk space requirements are considered ... and yeah, both ZSurface and GapiDraw support that |
| 20:08.07 | warmi | this is especially usefull for animations |
| 20:08.44 | mutexer | right now pngs are smaller than the bmps even though the pngs are 32bit and the bmps are 256color |
| 20:09.01 | mutexer | I was told that bitmaps are larger on smaller files and smaller on larger files |
| 20:09.09 | warmi | frankly, I wouldn't use just one big bitmap ... rather much of large bitmaps - each one of them grouping sprites with similar sizes etc ... |
| 20:09.16 | warmi | I always use pngs .. much , much better |
| 20:09.32 | warmi | on the other hand if your gaame requires a lot of images .. jpegs are even better |
| 20:09.34 | mutexer | dont they take up more space in memory? |
| 20:09.47 | mutexer | suicne they are 32bit |
| 20:10.20 | mutexer | Ive heard not to use jpgs cause the loss compression can screw up your key color |
| 20:10.27 | warmi | they are not in memmory ... when I load QImage I convert content as well as possible alpha to 16 bit internal images and then discard original 32 bit Qimage |
| 20:11.09 | mutexer | ah |
| 20:11.35 | mutexer | does gapiDraw load jpgs? |
| 20:11.35 | warmi | another issue .. normally alpha layer pixels are stored in 8 bytes/per pixel in say png/tga etc ... |
| 20:12.07 | warmi | for performance reasons in ZSurface alpha layer is stored in 16 bytes / per pixel so this is another reason to avoid alpha in favour of color keying if you can |
| 20:12.14 | mewyn | ugh |
| 20:12.41 | mewyn | need to find out how to hack my tivo |
| 20:13.00 | warmi | mutexer : "Supported image file types are BMP, GIF, JPG and PNG on all devices " |
| 20:13.07 | warmi | this quote was from GapiDraw docs |
| 20:13.19 | mutexer | if I pass false to alpha when loading a png it wont load the alpha channel even if one exists? |
| 20:13.21 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/docs/gapidraw/frame-documentation.htm |
| 20:13.26 | warmi | mutexer : true |
| 20:13.46 | mutexer | right now I use the alpha channel on my tiles for collision detection |
| 20:14.02 | mutexer | but at map load time I store the alpha channel collision info in arrays |
| 20:14.24 | warmi | ak ok |
| 20:14.28 | mutexer | I may just add that to my map editor to save to the map file format... that might be a better solution instead of reading it at loadtime in the game |
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| 20:14.57 | mutexer | that way it would work on gapidraw as well |
| 20:15.02 | warmi | actually what I did in that RiverRaid clone was to create that info on the fly |
| 20:15.08 | mutexer | since it cant access the alpha in a png |
| 20:15.21 | warmi | I parse pixel by pixell all my tiles during setup and create collision information |
| 20:15.40 | warmi | mutexer : yeah, it cannot ... this is pretty stupid imho forcing people to separate alpha from image |
| 20:16.06 | warmi | on the other hand I will support that in Zsurface as an option - it can sometimes be usefull if you want to use a single alpha for multiple images |
| 20:16.26 | mutexer | true |
| 20:17.01 | mutexer | man my artist is gonna hate me when he gets online :) |
| 20:17.07 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:17.10 | mutexer | he spent all last night making those 256 color bitmaps |
| 20:17.49 | warmi | well, I asume you will want him to change all of them to 32 bit ? |
| 20:18.12 | mutexer | hell just need to save them all to png |
| 20:18.29 | mutexer | ..I might actually do the larger bitmaps with indexing into them as well |
| 20:18.33 | warmi | well, remember that ZSurface can only work with 32 bit images :-) |
| 20:18.47 | mutexer | well pngs are only 32bit arent they? |
| 20:18.51 | warmi | I should say can only work with 32 bit QImage .. |
| 20:19.16 | mutexer | I always load them as qPixmap into ZSurface... is that a bad thing? |
| 20:19.35 | warmi | no, png will create 256 index/palette based image if there are less then 257 colors |
| 20:19.40 | warmi | mutexer : nothing wrong with that |
| 20:19.51 | warmi | actually qPixmap is even better |
| 20:20.16 | warmi | well, let me take it back :-) |
| 20:20.33 | warmi | in qPixmap there is no way to acces pixel information |
| 20:20.55 | warmi | so when creating Zsurrface out of qPixmap I first convert it to Qimage and then call standard Qimage -> Zsurface function |
| 20:21.11 | warmi | so you might as well load this stuff as QImages and feed then as such to Zsurface :-) |
| 20:21.30 | mutexer | does loading as a QImage work the same? Ive never used QImages |
| 20:21.41 | mutexer | QImage("path/to/file") ? |
| 20:21.49 | warmi | but this is all setup-time stuff so it doesn't matter all that much ... in the end all that will be discarded and sprite information will be retained inside of Zsurface |
| 20:22.32 | warmi | yeah, QImage constructors are very similar to QPixmap ones |
| 20:23.08 | warmi | QImage ( const QString & fileName, const char * format=0 ) |
| 20:23.30 | mutexer | cool |
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| 20:25.55 | George`NotHere | back |
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| 20:27.12 | doughecka | ho |
| 20:28.31 | warmi | mutexer : if when loading ZSurfaces from QImage you get false from create function |
| 20:28.53 | warmi | most likely your png is not 24/32 bit but palette based image |
| 20:29.06 | warmi | the code create () for this starts like that : |
| 20:29.07 | warmi | bool ZSurface::create(const QImage &i, bool alpha) |
| 20:29.08 | warmi | { |
| 20:29.09 | warmi | if ( i.depth()==32 ) |
| 20:29.28 | warmi | so as you can see I disregard non-32 (24 bit ) QImages |
| 20:29.50 | mutexer | ok |
| 20:29.58 | warmi | btw ... 24/32 bit pngs all end up as 32 bit QImages ... so there is no difference there |
| 20:30.14 | warmi | just something to be aware of |
| 20:30.34 | doughecka | hmm, if the cursor is on the screen... does that mean the boot loader still works? |
| 20:31.23 | doughecka | with the splashscreen |
| 20:31.55 | warmi | ok .. I am out for now |
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| 20:33.31 | doughecka | what happens if you misflash OSPACK? |
| 20:33.40 | doughecka | does it show the flashing cusor? |
| 20:33.52 | doughecka | cursor and splashscreen? or does it not even powerup? |
| 20:35.34 | ivan | misflashing OSPACK will make your dog sick and starve your cat |
| 20:35.45 | doughecka | oh. |
| 20:35.57 | George- | ibot usbnet |
| 20:35.57 | | methinks usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/ |
| 20:36.25 | doughecka | anything else? |
| 20:39.08 | SuKoShi | my working usbnet.c is here |
| 20:39.19 | SuKoShi | http://laurent.lieben.free.fr/kernel |
| 20:39.34 | SuKoShi | it works for both my B500 and C700 |
| 20:40.01 | doughecka | anyone ever seen what happens with a misflashed OSPACK? |
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| 20:42.20 | fliplap | just sits there and blinks doesn't it? |
| 20:42.37 | doughecka | dunno |
| 20:42.43 | doughecka | thats what I am trying to find out |
| 20:42.50 | doughecka | ur welcome to try it for me :P |
| 20:43.19 | doughecka | but it would make your dog sick and starve your cat |
| 20:43.42 | fliplap | no thanks, i've got OZ just dow i want it now |
| 20:43.54 | doughecka | ah |
| 20:45.11 | cor | i guess there's another sharp rom coming for the 5500...read it in the zaurus.com forums |
| 20:45.25 | doughecka | whats new in it? |
| 20:45.27 | fliplap | based on OZ :-) ? |
| 20:45.32 | doughecka | loll |
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| 20:45.43 | cor | heh dunno, prolly "borrowed" some stuff |
| 20:45.55 | treke|home | doughecka: supposed to based on the c700/5600 software |
| 20:46.03 | fliplap | heh, not like i've never seen fork maps like that before |
| 20:46.04 | doughecka | cool |
| 20:46.56 | cor | one of the only things i heard was opera 6 was new |
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| 20:47.53 | doughecka | blah |
| 20:48.15 | doughecka | how do I verify my CF card is fat16? |
| 20:49.13 | cor | mount ? |
| 20:49.25 | fliplap | mkfs.vfat |
| 20:49.30 | doughecka | on winders |
| 20:49.47 | fliplap | why bother, you have a Zaurus :-) |
| 20:49.52 | doughecka | I do? |
| 20:49.55 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:50.00 | doughecka | it has still to arrive |
| 20:50.06 | fliplap | well then don't bother until you get one :-) |
| 20:50.23 | fliplap | you don't have a linux box? |
| 20:50.26 | doughecka | well, this one coming in the mail aint flashed, so I cant check it |
| 20:50.32 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:50.36 | doughecka | I can reboot into linux |
| 20:51.08 | fliplap | you need another box :-) |
| 20:51.19 | doughecka | oh, I do have lots of boxes |
| 20:51.21 | doughecka | all run winders too |
| 20:51.22 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:51.47 | fliplap | time to format one of em |
| 20:51.59 | doughecka | winders .net 2003 server... umm, oh yes, the G4 mac, the powermac, umm, 98 laptop... 2000 puter without a cdrom or network |
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| 20:57.58 | NetAmp | wazzaaaa |
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| 21:11.29 | void | ping |
| 21:25.50 | George- | http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ |
| 21:25.51 | George- | WOW |
| 21:25.53 | NetAmp | All your base belong to us. |
| 21:26.18 | NetAmp | hmm |
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| 21:39.03 | jshare | if i install a package from command line, how do i get opie to notice/reread the directory to get the icon? |
| 21:39.21 | George- | jshare: restart Opie |
| 21:39.30 | fliplap | ipkg-link add package-name |
| 21:39.30 | jshare | ok then |
| 21:39.52 | fliplap | yes, or restart opie |
| 21:40.01 | jshare | wait, do I need to run ipkg-link if i installed to root? |
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| 21:40.06 | fliplap | oh, no |
| 21:40.10 | jshare | ok |
| 21:40.12 | jshare | that's what i thought |
| 21:40.28 | jshare | i move a few directories over to SD, so i usually just install to "root" |
| 21:43.31 | NetAmp | sigh |
| 21:43.49 | NetAmp | now they're all into writing Haiku on slashdot |
| 21:43.54 | jshare | lol |
| 21:44.04 | jshare | man, hcarty's gnuboy is nice |
| 21:44.11 | jshare | yay hardware buttons |
| 21:44.15 | fliplap | yeah, they got into that about 4 years ago man :-) |
| 21:44.26 | jshare | j and l were no good for gaming |
| 21:44.28 | fliplap | it was all the trolling rage |
| 21:44.31 | jshare | now, if the sound just worked.... |
| 21:45.54 | NetAmp | I want SNES games |
| 21:46.08 | fliplap | snes9x is ported, but requires X and icewm |
| 21:46.14 | HuggyBear | Anyone using OZ3.2, SL5500, and an MA701 OR WCF11 w/128bit WEP? |
| 21:46.43 | George- | :Þ |
| 21:46.43 | NetAmp | fliplap: yeah you're right. the Xfree packages for OZ3.2 need to be finished first :S |
| 21:46.55 | HuggyBear | Thanks...but I'd really just like to get this stupid wireless thing going. |
| 21:47.59 | fliplap | i use OZ3.2 on an SL5500 w/ and orinoco card |
| 21:48.05 | fliplap | s/and/an/ |
| 21:49.40 | HuggyBear | Hmm...ok quick question. On my AP's config there's an option for the authentication type. There exists Open system, shared key, and both. What does "both" actually do? Does that mean that you can connect w/wep or not w/wep in which case; what's the point? |
| 21:50.03 | NetAmp | wb |
| 21:50.08 | kergoth | hey |
| 21:50.11 | George- | kergoth: heya |
| 21:51.09 | NetAmp | "Post only Haikus? What a massive waste of time. Who thought of that one?" |
| 21:51.16 | NetAmp | those people should get a life |
| 21:51.26 | NetAmp | instead of filling up Slashdot with haiku :S |
| 21:52.09 | George- | hrmm? |
| 21:53.01 | jumpkick | is docs.zaurus.com down? |
| 21:53.41 | NetAmp | looks like it |
| 21:53.53 | NetAmp | hm.. |
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| 21:54.37 | NetAmp | kergoth: is there a (stable) version of X for OZ3.2? |
| 21:55.13 | NetAmp | (as in ipkg) |
| 21:55.22 | kergoth | yes but not in the feeds |
| 21:55.25 | kergoth | only in hte buildsystem |
| 21:55.33 | kergoth | i'll be doing some cleanup and doing an unstable feed update today |
| 21:55.39 | NetAmp | sweet :) |
| 21:56.01 | jumpkick | I have a two day old Zaurus... what do folks do after they install OZ to restore their Opera & Hancom stuff? where should I install it |
| 21:57.05 | jumpkick | do most folks format their SD card to ext2 and then install them on there? |
| 21:57.21 | ljp_coffee | sure |
| 21:57.46 | raceme | fliplap: i resolved my opera crashing problems by using libqte from the sharp rom |
| 21:57.55 | fliplap | cool |
| 21:58.08 | fliplap | was it crashing on www.opera.com, cause thats the only site that takes mine down |
| 21:58.22 | raceme | fliplap: it was crashing on any png file |
| 21:58.30 | ljp_coffee | anyone know if there is a car charger that works on the zaurus? |
| 21:58.36 | kergoth | fliplap: make sure you dont use liquid |
| 21:58.46 | kergoth | fliplap: liquid window decorations will crash both opera and konq |
| 21:58.58 | raceme | fliplap: i am on the way of making an ipkg modifier to take modifications in count |
| 21:59.41 | fliplap | see mine isn't crashing on any png |
| 22:00.12 | fliplap | just on opera.com, i've tried a bunch of other sites, including sites w/ pngs |
| 22:00.55 | fliplap | ljp_coffee: you could probably make one without too much trouble out of parts from radio shack |
| 22:01.06 | raceme | fliplap: i tried with a page containing just a png file and it's obvious: it loads the page, begin to load the image, draw the frame of the image and segfault |
| 22:02.21 | NetAmp | l8r y'all |
| 22:02.25 | *** part/#zaurus NetAmp (~netamp@cp234746-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) |
| 22:03.43 | fliplap | weird, mine crashes on some png sites, others it just doesn't render the png |
| 22:04.42 | George- | ibot seen TCMAN |
| 22:04.44 | | tcman <~dominik@adsl-64-164-8-252.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 12h 23m 50s ago, saying: 'mithro: and also people who dont :)'. |
| 22:07.50 | jumpkick | does the SD card have to be formatted ext2 for installations to work? (do ipkgs contain symlinks or other file permissions that would break on vfat?) |
| 22:08.17 | jshare | it has to be ext2 |
| 22:09.13 | jumpkick | jshare: thanks |
| 22:10.02 | jshare | you need the fdisk from ZSI to repartition |
| 22:10.12 | jshare | ibot zsi fdisk |
| 22:10.21 | jshare | (does that work?) :) |
| 22:10.29 | jshare | ah |
| 22:10.30 | kergoth | ibot: zsi fdiks |
| 22:10.32 | kergoth | ibot: zsi fdisk |
| 22:10.42 | jshare | ah, colon is needed? |
| 22:11.16 | kergoth | no, colon isnt needed |
| 22:11.21 | kergoth | when it gives that error, just ask it again |
| 22:11.26 | jshare | just a transient error |
| 22:11.26 | jshare | ok |
| 22:11.59 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:13.34 | raceme | well my Z really doesn't like my CF card... each time i wake from suspend it ejects then reload it :( |
| 22:13.52 | raceme | formated in VFAT (factory default) |
| 22:13.57 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:14.06 | kergoth | thats a bug in the pcmcia subsystem of the kernel |
| 22:14.16 | jshare | mine doesn't do that |
| 22:14.20 | jshare | or maybe i just didn't notice |
| 22:14.28 | kergoth | its rando |
| 22:14.29 | kergoth | m |
| 22:14.38 | kergoth | mine never exhibits the behavior either |
| 22:15.08 | raceme | i saw in the mailing list that we can stop using cardmgr (pcmcia ?) but i don't see how to access /dev/hda1 if i kill pcmcia... |
| 22:15.18 | kergoth | that doesnt fix the problem. |
| 22:15.25 | kergoth | the problem is in the pcmcia subsystem of the kernel, as i said |
| 22:15.56 | raceme | there is a way fixing the problem: removing the card :( wake up is fast as light :) |
| 22:16.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:16.27 | kergoth | we call that a hack, not a fix |
| 22:16.28 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:17.29 | George- | evil ATi employee... |
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| 22:23.50 | jumpkick | jshare: should I use ext3? |
| 22:24.55 | HuggyBear | How do you get fbvncserver to recognize mouse presses, or any input for that matter, from within a viewer on XP? |
| 22:26.57 | raceme | jumpkick: you shouldn't if you speak about a sd or cf card |
| 22:27.55 | raceme | HuggyBear: run again the postinst script from the fbvncserver, reboot, and once opie is there tap left/top and right/bottom to create the /etc/tssim_cal.conf calibration file. |
| 22:29.17 | jumpkick | raceme: yeah I'm doing my SD card, I just discovered that the kernel doesn't like ext3... ext2 it is :) |
| 22:30.55 | raceme | jumpkick: ext3 writes always in the same place (the journal) so it is not iwe to use it |
| 22:36.15 | HuggyBear | raceme: Excellent. Thank you. But the hard buttons don't seem to work from the viewer. Is there something else that must be done to enable those? |
| 22:37.13 | jshare | huggybear: did you install the busybox from the OZ unstable feed? |
| 22:37.40 | jshare | you need to install that to get mknod to work properly for keyboard support |
| 22:37.44 | HuggyBear | jshare: Nope; am I supposed to do that? |
| 22:38.03 | jshare | point aqpkg at the unstable feed, upgrade busybox from there, and reboot |
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| 22:38.51 | raceme | HuggyBear: jshare was faster than me to guide you :) |
| 22:39.00 | HuggyBear | jshare: Is that what the orange star on the blue dot in the aqpkg's package listing means? That there's an upgrade available? |
| 22:39.14 | HuggyBear | jshare & raceme: Thanks to both of you. |
| 22:46.38 | HuggyBear | In OZ3.2 there's a rotate button from the green circle button. But in the package listing I see opie-rotation what is that? |
| 22:46.55 | treke|home | ignore it |
| 22:47.00 | treke|home | it shoudlnt be there |
| 22:47.19 | HuggyBear | ok. |
| 22:47.22 | HuggyBear | thanks. |
| 22:48.43 | jshare | lol |
| 22:48.57 | HuggyBear | What is tinykate? |
| 22:49.22 | cor | text editor |
| 22:49.24 | cor | (from kde) |
| 22:49.32 | George- | HuggyBear: it's tiny pr0n |
| 22:49.40 | jumpkick | at least I java and handcom... :) |
| 22:49.41 | jshare | lol |
| 22:49.51 | jumpkick | anyone recommend a good browser for OZ? |
| 22:49.57 | HuggyBear | Thanks. I wish there was an option to get package info from aqpkg. |
| 22:50.05 | George- | jumpkick: Konqueror |
| 22:50.08 | George- | jumpkick: Links |
| 22:50.19 | George- | jumpkick: IE over VNC *ducks* |
| 22:50.23 | jumpkick | lol |
| 22:50.40 | jumpkick | too much scrolling side to side in IP me thinks |
| 22:50.42 | jumpkick | :) |
| 22:50.53 | jumpkick | where do I get konq |
| 22:51.00 | George- | RTFM!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:51.04 | George- | </kergoth> |
| 22:51.08 | George- | ibot: konqueror |
| 22:51.08 | | [konqueror] at http://bolug.uni-bonn.de/files/konq-e/ or at http://www.konqueror.org |
| 22:52.19 | jumpkick | ooh cool... a trained bot... reminds me of apt |
| 22:52.27 | George- | jumpkick: uhm... |
| 22:52.32 | George- | jumpkick: it runs the same code as apt... |
| 22:52.37 | George- | jumpkick: they're both blootbots |
| 22:52.51 | jumpkick | right |
| 22:54.09 | George- | in other words, they lart :) |
| 22:54.12 | George- | ibot: lart jumpkick |
| 22:54.18 | George- | ibot: lart jumpkick |
| 22:54.24 | George- | ibot: lart jumpkick |
| 22:54.31 | George- | mwahahahaha |
| 22:56.26 | HuggyBear | anyone know if there's a gcc package available for OZ? |
| 22:57.35 | George- | ibot zgc |
| 22:57.36 | | George-: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:57.37 | George- | ibot zgcc |
| 22:57.38 | | George-: are you using Windows? |
| 22:57.42 | George- | ibot: |
| 22:57.42 | | George-: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:57.45 | George- | ibot sucks |
| 22:57.45 | | If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 22:57.49 | George- | ibot die |
| 22:57.50 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 22:57.56 | jumpkick | lol |
| 22:58.09 | George- | ibot: fuck |
| 22:58.11 | | well, fuck is a wonderful, versitile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 22:59.26 | George- | ibot george- |
| 22:59.26 | | hmm... george- is a complete loser, and deserves to be subjected to torture in deepest Redmond, or a pre-pubescent human who think he's cool but he doesn't even know how to use is mojo |
| 22:59.33 | George- | hrmm |
| 22:59.38 | George- | BAH |
| 22:59.42 | George- | CHOUIMAT!!!!! |
| 22:59.53 | George- | ibot factinfo george- |
| 22:59.53 | | george- -- last modified at Sun Jan 12 17:18:14 2003 by chouimat!~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca; it has been requested 3 times, last by George-, 27s ago. |
| 22:59.58 | George- | hrmm |
| 23:00.00 | George- | Thought so. |
| 23:00.03 | George- | ibot forget george- |
| 23:00.04 | | George-: i forgot george- |
| 23:00.17 | George- | ibot george- is weird |
| 23:00.17 | | okay, George- |
| 23:00.39 | George- | pre-pubescent.. blah |
| 23:00.57 | George- | ibot protect george- |
| 23:00.57 | | George-: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:01.02 | George- | ibot lock george- |
| 23:01.02 | | George-: locking factoid george- |
| 23:01.07 | George- | k |
| 23:01.10 | George- | ibot forget george- |
| 23:01.10 | | George-: i forgot george- |
| 23:01.13 | George- | damn |
| 23:01.40 | George- | ibot George- is a wannabe coder that sits on his ass all day doing nothing |
| 23:01.41 | | okay, George- |
| 23:01.46 | George- | ibot lock george- |
| 23:01.46 | | locking factoid george-, George- |
| 23:02.03 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:02.06 | jumpkick | ibot: control-break |
| 23:02.07 | | no idea, jumpkick |
| 23:02.15 | kergoth | George-: iirc tim disabled locking |
| 23:02.22 | George- | kergoth: crap |
| 23:02.23 | kergoth | George-: my factoid was locked before he disabled |
| 23:02.25 | kergoth | George-: :P |
| 23:02.28 | George- | kergoth: arse!!! |
| 23:02.37 | Test | ibot forget george- |
| 23:02.37 | | Test: i forgot george- |
| 23:02.40 | Test | fuck |
| 23:02.45 | George- | ibot George- is a wannabe coder that sits on his ass all day doing nothing |
| 23:02.46 | | okay, George- |
| 23:02.53 | George- | kergoth: this means war |
| 23:03.17 | *** part/#zaurus HuggyBear (~wgary4@216-161-137-183.customers.uswest.net) |
| 23:03.29 | chouimat | ibot: George- |
| 23:03.29 | | i heard george- is a 15 years twit who didn't know what mojo his |
| 23:03.30 | George- | oh dear.. I scared someone away |
| 23:03.47 | George- | ffs |
| 23:03.50 | George- | ibot chouimat |
| 23:03.51 | | [chouimat] Him |
| 23:03.57 | George- | ibot forget chouimat |
| 23:03.57 | | i forgot chouimat, George- |
| 23:04.10 | George- | ibot chouimat is a stupid canadian that thinks he is cool and that doesn't have a mojo |
| 23:04.11 | | okay, George- |
| 23:04.14 | jumpkick | ibot: aqpkg |
| 23:04.15 | | jumpkick: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:04.33 | chouimat | ibot: chouimat |
| 23:04.34 | | it has been said that chouimat is me |
| 23:04.43 | George- | ibot forget chouimat |
| 23:04.57 | George- | <ibot> cannot remove factoid 'chouimat', too old. (12147.9616087963>12096) use 'no,' instead |
| 23:04.59 | George- | ***WTF*** |
| 23:05.03 | George- | ibot forget george- |
| 23:05.05 | chouimat | ibot no chouimat is chouimat |
| 23:05.06 | | chouimat: okay |
| 23:05.23 | George- | ibot no, george- is george- |
| 23:05.24 | | okay, George- |
| 23:05.26 | George- | ibot george |
| 23:05.27 | | somebody said george was not british, he's a 14 years old twit |
| 23:05.28 | George- | ibot george- |
| 23:05.29 | | extra, extra, read all about it, george- is George- |
| 23:05.34 | George- | ibot forget george |
| 23:05.34 | | George-: i forgot george |
| 23:08.00 | jumpkick | so george- how did you get a Zaurus in Canada? |
| 23:08.12 | jumpkick | I know they don't sell 'em here |
| 23:09.17 | George- | jumpkick: I'm not in Canada... |
| 23:09.27 | George- | jumpkick: where the bloody hell did you pick that up!?!? |
| 23:10.10 | jumpkick | ibot factinfo george- |
| 23:10.10 | | george- -- last modified 4m 45s ago by chouimat!~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca; it has been requested once, last by George-, 4m 41s ago. |
| 23:10.24 | George- | chouimat!~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca |
| 23:10.26 | jumpkick | que .ca |
| 23:10.27 | George- | ibot george- |
| 23:10.28 | | methinks george- is George- |
| 23:10.39 | George- | jumpkick: that's CHOUIMAT |
| 23:10.42 | George- | dammit!!! |
| 23:10.48 | chouimat | lol |
| 23:11.12 | George- | HOW DARE YOU COMPARE ME WITH THAT INCOMPETANT LOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:11.39 | George- | I AM NOT CANADIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:12.25 | jumpkick | :) |
| 23:12.56 | George- | jumpkick: PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT |
| 23:13.13 | George- | jumpkick: YOU...YOU...YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:13.25 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (go take a nap or something) |
| 23:13.37 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@212.126.151.225) |
| 23:13.41 | chouimat | kergoth: ritalin don't work with him :( |
| 23:13.41 | George- | grmbl |
| 23:13.51 | kergoth | chouimat: apparently |
| 23:14.02 | George- | (*$%"$)%*&*(%&*"£&%(*æß𢫢jµ |
| 23:14.11 | George- | YOU BASTARDS!!! |
| 23:14.35 | chouimat | George-: did you masturbate lately? |
| 23:14.39 | jumpkick | chouimat: how about you? how'd you get a Zaurus in .CA? |
| 23:14.48 | jumpkick | lol |
| 23:14.50 | chouimat | jumpkick: sharp conntest |
| 23:14.56 | jumpkick | nice |
| 23:15.26 | George- | jumpkick: I'M A BRIT! DAMMIT! |
| 23:15.35 | kergoth | noidd: also a means of overriding compiler is *required* |
| 23:15.40 | kergoth | noidd: OZ builds for more than jsut ARM |
| 23:15.46 | kergoth | noidd: you cant hardcode arm-linux-gcc |
| 23:15.52 | kergoth | noidd: use the CC env var |
| 23:15.54 | George- | kergoth: btw - did you see that x86 binary emulator? |
| 23:15.59 | George- | kergoth: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ |
| 23:16.10 | kergoth | bleh wrong chan, should be pestering noidd in openembedded |
| 23:16.24 | jumpkick | George-: good show old' chap, good show! |
| 23:16.26 | noidd | haha |
| 23:16.32 | George- | jumpkick: OIY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 23:18.17 | George- | jumpkick: How...dare...you |
| 23:19.37 | chouimat | George-: can you be nice for everybody here? Go play with your palm for a while .... after that you will be calm and nice |
| 23:19.40 | George- | jumpkick: DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:19.51 | George- | chouimat: I don't have a palm... only a Z... |
| 23:20.12 | chouimat | George-: I was speaking of your HANDS |
| 23:20.18 | George- | chouimat: hands.. uhm |
| 23:20.27 | George- | chouimat: oh, those things ya type with!? |
| 23:20.55 | chouimat | George-: yup and your middle leg == happy George- |
| 23:21.03 | George- | chouimat: middle leg? |
| 23:21.07 | George- | chouimat: WTF?!?!?! |
| 23:21.17 | George- | chouimat: DIE YOU CANADIAN BASTARD!!! |
| 23:21.25 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (kergoth) |
| 23:21.28 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@212.126.151.225) |
| 23:21.30 | George- | bah |
| 23:21.40 | kergoth | go take a fucking break. |
| 23:21.58 | George- | kergoth: I hate Canadians... since 15 minutes ago. |
| 23:22.12 | kergoth | and I give a fuck, why? |
| 23:22.14 | kergoth | who cares |
| 23:22.28 | George- | kergoth: well, you obviously do, considering you KICKED me |
| 23:22.41 | kergoth | because you're wastin gspace in my fucking irc client |
| 23:22.42 | kergoth | with meaningless pointless driven |
| 23:22.44 | kergoth | drivel |
| 23:22.49 | kergoth | just shut the fuck up for gods sake |
| 23:23.03 | George- | bah |
| 23:23.12 | George- | angry kergoth == bad :( |
| 23:23.33 | George- | chouimat: DCC request denied |
| 23:25.49 | jumpkick | hmm... can anyone suggest how I'd troubleshoot an app that starts and closes right away? |
| 23:25.53 | chouimat | George-: go buy a playboy |
| 23:25.58 | kergoth | jumpkick: run it from console |
| 23:26.19 | George- | chouimat: at 1/2 past midnight?!?! |
| 23:26.26 | jumpkick | most stuff install under /usr or /opt? |
| 23:26.27 | George- | jumpkick: rm -rf / |
| 23:26.31 | *** join/#zaurus badalex (~badalex@cpe-66-1-177-91.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 23:26.31 | chouimat | George-: www.playboy.com :) |
| 23:26.40 | kergoth | jumpkick: gui apps /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/ |
| 23:26.49 | jumpkick | cool thanks |
| 23:27.32 | George- | chouimat: get stuffed you stupid fucking ignorant canadian bastard |
| 23:28.04 | jumpkick | err... konqueror is giving me a "bus error" :( |
| 23:28.11 | chouimat | George-: take your ritalin and then your prozac |
| 23:28.23 | George- | chouimat: fuck off |
| 23:28.35 | jumpkick | George-: too much agro man... calm down... |
| 23:28.43 | jumpkick | aggro |
| 23:28.45 | George- | jumpkick: NO |
| 23:29.01 | George- | jumpkick: I'll calm down when *the canadian* stops fucking me about |
| 23:29.02 | chouimat | kergoth: can you calm George- |
| 23:29.20 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (hi) |
| 23:29.25 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@212.126.151.225) |
| 23:29.29 | George- | pfffft |
| 23:29.39 | jumpkick | I wonder which canadian he was referring too.... |
| 23:29.42 | jumpkick | there are 2 of us |
| 23:29.46 | George- | jumpkick: I WONDER |
| 23:31.12 | chouimat | ok james bond or tommy boy with chis farley? |
| 23:34.15 | *** join/#zaurus medi (~kobs@f08v-5-249.d1.club-internet.fr) |
| 23:36.19 | *** join/#zaurus doughecka (SteveJobs@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 23:36.25 | doughecka | ho |
| 23:36.55 | George- | kergoth: I apologize... |
| 23:37.02 | doughecka | yay |
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| 23:41.10 | *** part/#zaurus badalex (~badalex@cpe-66-1-177-91.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 23:41.46 | George- | kergoth: I get too hyperactive too easily. :( |
| 23:43.02 | *** part/#zaurus caffeine^ (~knoppix@clt74-76-015.carolina.rr.com) |
| 23:43.24 | jumpkick | ibot: ipkg search |
| 23:43.28 | | See ipkgfind |
| 23:43.36 | jumpkick | ibot: ipkgfind |
| 23:43.37 | | ipkgfind is probably at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/ |
| 23:43.49 | kergoth | ibot: no, ipkg search is <reply> see ipkgfind |
| 23:43.50 | | okay, kergoth |
| 23:43.53 | kergoth | ibot: ipkg search |
| 23:43.53 | | ipkgfind is probably at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/ |
| 23:48.00 | George- | ibot: kergoth |
| 23:48.01 | | rumour has it, kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
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| 23:51.56 | George`Dreaming | g'night |
| 23:54.20 | *** join/#zaurus HCl (~hcl@atlantis.student.utwente.nl) |
| 23:56.39 | jumpkick | can I use konq from familiar on OZ? |
| 23:56.49 | kergoth | eh, why? |
| 23:56.54 | kergoth | there are konq packages in the OZ feeds |
| 23:56.55 | kergoth | use them |
| 23:57.05 | jumpkick | ooh |
| 23:57.08 | kergoth | *always* use the packages in the oz feeds unless you have an explicit reason to do otherwise. |
| 23:57.22 | mewyn | phew |
| 23:57.35 | jumpkick | I thought everything from OZ was on the rom already |
| 23:57.39 | mewyn | i came really close to killing my tivo |
| 23:57.45 | kergoth | jumpkick: uh, FAR from |
| 23:57.53 | kergoth | jumpkick: the rom is just a *minimal* set of apckages |
| 23:57.55 | mewyn | never do echo "something" > /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit |
| 23:57.55 | jumpkick | okay dokey |
| 23:57.59 | kergoth | nearly everything is in the feeds |
| 23:58.03 | George`Dreaming | kergoth: what happens if I wanna test a patch that I (hypothetically) wrote for Opie that I compiled myself that I wanted to test on the Z? :) |
| 23:58.08 | kergoth | python, the rest of opie, etc |
| 23:58.16 | kergoth | George`Dreaming: you'd crosscompile opie and test it |
| 23:58.24 | jumpkick | I see |
| 23:58.33 | George`Dreaming | kergoth: heh. |
| 23:58.44 | kergoth | or use buildroot to do it for you |
| 23:59.22 | George`Dreaming | I've heard so many weird and wonderful things about buildroot ;) |
| 23:59.36 | kergoth | its powerful, saves a lot of time, but is still rather hackish |
| 23:59.38 | kergoth | does the job though |
| 23:59.58 | djr | i still need to get it going |
