| 00:00.08 | George- | kergoth: *wow*, I've only have 4,556,134,135,768 and counting! |
| 00:00.14 | George- | ;) |
| 00:00.21 | warmi | George: hehe ... I have any brothers or sisters ? |
| 00:00.28 | kergoth | ibot sucks |
| 00:00.29 | | If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 00:00.30 | George- | kergoth: maybe someday I'll grow up, only time will tell :P |
| 00:00.32 | nichos | evening all, ive enabled the usbnet driver, and i get this in my messages file: usb.c: USB device 5 (vend/prod 0x4dd/0x8004) is not claimed by any active driver, then: /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: ... no modules for USB product 4dd/8004/0 |
| 00:00.33 | George- | warmi: yeh, 1 brother |
| 00:00.40 | warmi | George-: is he like you ? |
| 00:00.44 | George- | warmi: no |
| 00:00.46 | kergoth | nichos: then your usbnet doesnt suppor tthe Z |
| 00:00.54 | kergoth | nichos: you have to be on 2.4.21-pre or have patched 2.4.20 |
| 00:00.56 | warmi | uh .. how old is he ? |
| 00:01.00 | kergoth | nichos: or, you didnt run depmod -a |
| 00:01.05 | nichos | kergoth oh shit, the patch |
| 00:01.07 | nichos | *duh* |
| 00:01.11 | kergoth | that helps |
| 00:01.13 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:01.15 | nichos | lol, yeah |
| 00:01.21 | nichos | i kept checking depmod too |
| 00:01.24 | nichos | thanks again! |
| 00:01.58 | nichos | kergoth i use the usbdnet .19 for a kernel using usbnet? |
| 00:02.06 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:02.10 | kergoth | dont _touch_ usbdnet |
| 00:02.11 | George- | warmi: 23 |
| 00:02.12 | kergoth | usbdnet = crap |
| 00:02.18 | kergoth | you want the usbnet Z suppor tpatch |
| 00:02.21 | kergoth | not the usbdnet patch |
| 00:02.23 | nichos | kergoth the patch from the doc site |
| 00:02.37 | kergoth | thats almost certainly usbdnet |
| 00:02.39 | kergoth | which is worthless |
| 00:02.58 | nichos | yeah, it is |
| 00:03.03 | nichos | usbdnet that is, dunno about its value:) |
| 00:03.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:03.13 | kergoth | it panics boxes |
| 00:03.13 | nichos | where can i get the other patch? |
| 00:03.17 | nichos | nice... |
| 00:03.24 | kergoth | greg k-h's homedir on ftp.kernel.org |
| 00:03.29 | kergoth | or the linux-usb-devel mailing lsit |
| 00:03.31 | kergoth | or you can do what i did |
| 00:03.38 | kergoth | which is get a 2.4.21-pre tree |
| 00:03.46 | kergoth | copy drivers/usb/usbnet.c from it into your 2.4.20 tree |
| 00:03.47 | kergoth | build it |
| 00:03.49 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:03.50 | NetAmp | sweet I got the Duke3D source, i'm curious what's in there... |
| 00:04.58 | nichos | kergoth hmm, so that ONE file is all you did <re-copy it> and everything just built ok? |
| 00:06.37 | NetAmp | case FLOORSLIME+2: p->palette = slimepal; break; |
| 00:06.40 | NetAmp | hah |
| 00:06.44 | George- | kergoth: can you give me tips on how to behave? =P |
| 00:07.05 | kergoth | nichos: yep |
| 00:07.12 | nichos | hmmm, i may do that then;) |
| 00:08.12 | NetAmp | I think I'll mod Duke3D to include my college teachers |
| 00:08.20 | NetAmp | *muhaha* |
| 00:08.36 | George- | NetAmp: nah |
| 00:08.49 | George- | NetAmp: put me in there, it'll be more satisfying |
| 00:09.11 | NetAmp | and i'll add in a bow&arrow weapon for you george :P |
| 00:09.26 | George- | NetAmp: youve seen my bow&arrows? |
| 00:09.32 | NetAmp | yah, sweet |
| 00:09.37 | George- | lol |
| 00:09.53 | jwiz | what's the easiest way for me to upgrade busybox from unstable on my 3.2 machine? |
| 00:09.58 | George- | I've got the whole lot sitting behind me ;) |
| 00:10.06 | jwiz | just point aqpkg at the unstable, switch, and install busybox from there? |
| 00:10.13 | kergoth | jwiz: yep |
| 00:10.18 | jwiz | cool then |
| 00:10.27 | jwiz | soon I will be using kbd with vnc! :) |
| 00:10.32 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:10.41 | kergoth | glibc 2.3.3 from cvs just exploded in my face |
| 00:12.28 | George- | kergoth: it's obviously attrated to you |
| 00:12.33 | George- | *attracted |
| 00:14.50 | George- | warez-quebec.com? =P |
| 00:15.19 | George- | ...must...refrain...from...saying...something...stupid... |
| 00:15.52 | kergoth | George-: you refraining from saying something stupid is like me not being an asshole |
| 00:15.56 | kergoth | George-: its just not gonna work |
| 00:15.58 | kergoth | :P |
| 00:16.04 | George- | kergoth: blah |
| 00:16.17 | George- | kergoth: I'm gonna try my best to turn over a new leaf |
| 00:16.23 | George- | (yeh yeh, I've said it hundreds of times) |
| 00:16.47 | George- | cause I am... by my very existance, the most ANNOYING ASSHOLE to ever hit planet earth |
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| 00:17.14 | Neo|Work | you HIT earth? like as in an asteroid? that sure explains a few things |
| 00:17.30 | George- | Neo|Work: yeh, that bumpy ride sure gave me a headache |
| 00:17.47 | George- | hey raster |
| 00:19.07 | raster | George-: good morning! |
| 00:19.08 | raster | :) |
| 00:19.13 | NetAmp | the new Enter The Matrix game looks pretty cool |
| 00:19.28 | George- | raster: 1:20 am here ;) |
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| 00:19.42 | kergoth | hey raster |
| 00:19.54 | Vano | hi all |
| 00:21.35 | Vano | Are there any real showstopper differences between 5500 and 5600 other than more default memory, double as fast CPU and mic/speaker ? (is the XScale processor same family as StrongARM? so it would be double the speed?) |
| 00:22.14 | Vano | I would be curious to know how impacting are the differences for someone who knows both |
| 00:22.15 | George- | Vano: longer battery life |
| 00:22.46 | Vano | alright... is it |
| 00:22.59 | Vano | a lot better or just a bit improved ? |
| 00:23.07 | George- | a lot better |
| 00:23.12 | Vano | basically want to know if it is is worth getting a 5600 instead of 5500 |
| 00:23.17 | kergoth | cpu isnt double as fast |
| 00:23.23 | kergoth | more like the same speed |
| 00:23.27 | Vano | ok |
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| 00:23.43 | Vano | so I guess major difference is the batter life ... the rest are stuff one can cope with. |
| 00:23.49 | kergoth | and flash |
| 00:24.03 | Vano | you mean more internal memory right ? |
| 00:24.06 | kergoth | no |
| 00:24.08 | kergoth | i mean flash. |
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| 00:24.12 | kergoth | memory = ram |
| 00:24.14 | kergoth | flash = flash |
| 00:24.18 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 00:24.19 | George- | kergoth: with optimizations surely the Xscale is faster? |
| 00:24.23 | Vano | hmmm |
| 00:24.30 | kergoth | George-: opts help, but the cpu still sucks. |
| 00:24.40 | NetAmp | not the messed up xscale series :P |
| 00:24.42 | George- | kergoth: hrmm |
| 00:24.42 | kergoth | George-: and will be slower in some things, faster in others |
| 00:24.51 | kergoth | pxa250 sucks |
| 00:24.55 | kergoth | pxa255 doesnt |
| 00:25.01 | George- | kergoth: the SA1110 was quite a good design, cause it was designed mainly by DEC right? |
| 00:25.04 | NetAmp | ~bitchslap pxa250 |
| 00:25.08 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of pxa250 |
| 00:25.08 | Vano | more flash ram.. yeah well.... once can add SD to 5500 |
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| 00:25.45 | Vano | so it is worth getting a much cheaper 5500 then :) |
| 00:26.02 | NetAmp | depends on what you're planning to do with it I guess |
| 00:26.23 | George- | Vano: oh yeh, and kernel 2.4.18 |
| 00:26.29 | Vano | development... not much of use as PDA |
| 00:26.34 | George- | Vano: which should improve stuff a lot |
| 00:26.38 | Vano | well.. there is openzaurus no ? :) |
| 00:26.43 | kergoth | we have 2.4.19 on 5500 |
| 00:26.47 | kergoth | sd doesnt work in it yet |
| 00:26.47 | NetAmp | OZ 3.2 rocks |
| 00:26.49 | kergoth | but it will |
| 00:26.51 | George- | then again.. I was running .18 on my Psion 8 months ago :) |
| 00:27.12 | nichos | kergoth would you mind dcc'ing the file over? i downloaded the pre file, but its one big file, ijsut need the usbnet.c file |
| 00:27.22 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:27.32 | kergoth | extract linux-2.4.20.tar.bz2 |
| 00:27.34 | kergoth | apply that patch to it |
| 00:27.38 | kergoth | copy usbnet.c |
| 00:27.49 | Vano | how well is networking (wireless and rj45) with the device? I read somewhere it consumes a lot of battery when doing WLAN |
| 00:28.07 | nichos | kergoth i extracted it,but i dont know what do do after that, just type patch linux-2.4.20 ? |
| 00:28.16 | kergoth | man patch. |
| 00:28.39 | kergoth | cd linux-2.4.20; zcat /path/to/that/patch-2.4.21-pre.gz | patch -p1 |
| 00:28.42 | kergoth | ta da |
| 00:28.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:28.59 | kergoth | or s/zcat/bzcat/; s/gz/bz2/; as the case may be |
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| 00:29.43 | nichos | kergoth in my defense, there little/no docs on the zaurus setup w/out usbdnet:) |
| 00:29.53 | kergoth | nichos: this has nothign to do with the zaurus |
| 00:29.59 | kergoth | patch is a general linux tool |
| 00:30.02 | kergoth | read the man page |
| 00:30.45 | Vano | btw...anyone here use Java on zaurus ? how "fast" are applications on it if anyone knows? |
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| 00:31.20 | kergoth | hey mewyn |
| 00:31.32 | nichos | kergoth i am:) but ive never patched stuff before, so bare w/me |
| 00:31.45 | kergoth | i gave you the necessary command as well |
| 00:31.56 | nichos | kergoth im already building the kernel, relax |
| 00:31.58 | mewyn | hey |
| 00:32.15 | George- | kergoth: ok, I'm getting better, I just helped some dude on #KDE |
| 00:32.16 | kergoth | good. |
| 00:32.21 | George- | kergoth: without pissing anyone off |
| 00:32.27 | kergoth | George-: impressive |
| 00:33.04 | George- | kergoth: and no, I didn't yell rtfm ;) |
| 00:33.14 | NetAmp | ibot: rtmp |
| 00:33.14 | | it has been said that rtmp is Read The Man(ual) Page |
| 00:33.20 | NetAmp | :P |
| 00:34.39 | Pendalar | is this the new xscale chip? http://www.shallax.com/public/pics/inhell.jpg ;-) |
| 00:35.19 | NetAmp | mewyn: :D |
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| 00:36.42 | kergoth | you know, i've built glibc altogether too many times today |
| 00:36.48 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 00:36.53 | NetAmp | time for coffee |
| 00:36.57 | kergoth | this is #8 |
| 00:37.00 | mewyn | kergoth: did i have an arm gcc on zelda? |
| 00:37.09 | mewyn | i thought i did |
| 00:37.18 | kergoth | i think you do. right now i'm _building_ toolchains |
| 00:37.22 | George- | ibot zzzzz zzzzzzz zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz |
| 00:37.22 | | George-: are you using Windows? |
| 00:37.29 | George- | ibot gpf |
| 00:37.29 | | George-: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 00:37.29 | mewyn | on zelda? |
| 00:37.31 | kergoth | which needs write access to the toolchain dir, /usr/local/arm |
| 00:37.32 | kergoth | no |
| 00:37.33 | kergoth | on my box |
| 00:37.36 | kergoth | chugging away |
| 00:37.38 | George- | LOL |
| 00:37.41 | NetAmp | ibot George |
| 00:37.41 | | i heard george is not british, he's a 14 years old twit |
| 00:37.48 | George- | i'm 14 |
| 00:37.50 | George- | NO WAY |
| 00:37.54 | George- | I'm 15 dammit! |
| 00:38.02 | mewyn | ah |
| 00:38.03 | George- | I was 15 ten days ago |
| 00:38.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:38.15 | kergoth | i remember looking forward to birthdays |
| 00:38.16 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 00:38.18 | mewyn | you said you needed more space, so feel free to use |
| 00:38.20 | mewyn | it |
| 00:38.26 | kergoth | now its just being another year older |
| 00:38.40 | NetAmp | ibot george is err 15 years old |
| 00:38.40 | | ...but george is already something else... |
| 00:38.41 | mewyn | kerg: need anything backed up? |
| 00:38.46 | treke | ibot George |
| 00:38.46 | | extra, extra, read all about it, george is not british, he's a 14 years old twit |
| 00:38.47 | NetAmp | hah |
| 00:38.58 | mewyn | lol |
| 00:39.02 | kergoth | lol |
| 00:39.17 | raster | kergoth: morning mate |
| 00:40.17 | mewyn | hrm... |
| 00:40.22 | mewyn | i'll do my backup tomorrow |
| 00:40.25 | NetAmp | *yawn* |
| 00:40.35 | mewyn | now that i said that... my server's gonna die tonight :) |
| 00:40.43 | NetAmp | you're gonna kill it? |
| 00:40.48 | kergoth | raster: modified your ecore calibrator to work with tslib. its a lot pertier than opie's |
| 00:40.51 | kergoth | raster: :) |
| 00:41.12 | kergoth | need a drink |
| 00:41.31 | raster | kergoth: the code? or the display? :) |
| 00:41.37 | kergoth | raster: both! |
| 00:41.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:41.39 | raster | kergoth: and excellent! |
| 00:41.39 | raster | :) |
| 00:41.41 | raster | heheheh |
| 00:41.47 | raster | the code coudl be pertier |
| 00:41.48 | raster | tho |
| 00:41.50 | raster | :( |
| 00:41.52 | NetAmp | ~fishslap George |
| 00:41.53 | | ACTION slaps George up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 00:42.03 | kergoth | raster: your function names are alwys so long, but i like it. so descriptive. |
| 00:42.16 | raster | i was considering putting calibration outside the driver level into the lib itself and the driver api code just sets up the driver to try give as much resolution as possible |
| 00:42.24 | raster | hehehe |
| 00:42.57 | raster | yeah long function names are a double edged sword. hey take up lots of room take a while to type (unless your editor does tab-comlpetion) BUT they basicalyl document your code for you without the need for comments. |
| 00:42.58 | raster | :) |
| 00:43.05 | mewyn | ok, good, i got sdl and sdl net on my system |
| 00:44.23 | duplexer_wifi | Anyone use Linux to sync their Zaurus? |
| 00:44.29 | raster | also its easy to rememebr the calls - especially if there are 100's because they basically are latin notation object-style, so as long as you have an idea of the heriachy and what you want to do you can pretty much guess the call and be right |
| 00:45.17 | NetAmp | cool |
| 00:47.24 | duplexer_wifi | cool |
| 00:51.02 | krezel | Anyone know a good resource for installing linux on an old (PowerPC 7200/90) era Mac? |
| 00:51.21 | George- | kergoth: woot |
| 00:51.30 | George- | kergoth: I just helped another person |
| 00:51.32 | kergoth | George-: ? |
| 00:51.34 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:51.41 | George- | I'm going WEIRD |
| 00:51.47 | NetAmp | indeed |
| 00:51.53 | kergoth | going? |
| 00:52.01 | mchang | krezel: yellowdog.com |
| 00:52.04 | George- | kergoth: haha |
| 00:52.14 | George- | kergoth: weird by my standards, maybemore normal by yours ;) |
| 00:52.26 | duplexer_wifi | George-, can ya assist me? |
| 00:52.31 | George- | duplexer_wifi: FUCK OFF! :) |
| 00:52.41 | kergoth | ~fishslap George- |
| 00:52.43 | | ACTION slaps George- up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 00:52.43 | duplexer_wifi | Ok, thx. |
| 00:52.44 | kergoth | duplexer_wifi: with what? |
| 00:52.56 | George- | duplexer_wifi: fine, what |
| 00:53.06 | NetAmp | does X take up much storage space? |
| 00:53.14 | duplexer_wifi | Anyone sync their Zaurus with Linux? |
| 00:53.41 | George- | duplexer_wifi: sync or link up |
| 00:53.49 | duplexer_wifi | Both. |
| 00:53.55 | George- | duplexer_wifi: yes |
| 00:54.03 | George- | (well, not sync) |
| 00:54.13 | duplexer_wifi | O' |
| 00:54.40 | duplexer_wifi | I got it to snyc using wifi, but wondering if there is an alternative to Qtopia. |
| 00:54.49 | George- | kitchensync |
| 00:54.55 | duplexer_wifi | :-| |
| 00:55.01 | kergoth | ibot: kitchensync |
| 00:55.03 | | methinks kitchensync is the ultimate syncing tool for KDE3 written by Aliens at the Area 51a ;) or not out yet. or in the kde3 cvs, or at http://www.handhelds.org/~zecke/kitchensync.html |
| 00:55.06 | duplexer_wifi | Your mad? |
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| 00:55.20 | George- | kergoth: aliens in area 51? :) |
| 00:55.31 | kergoth | dont ask me, i didnt make that factoid |
| 00:55.32 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:55.33 | George- | duplexer_wifi: hrmmph? |
| 00:55.49 | George- | <glick> how do i clear the location bar on konqueror |
| 00:55.52 | George- | <George-> Hit the clear button |
| 00:55.53 | NetAmp | area 51 does exist |
| 00:56.00 | George- | fucking idiot |
| 00:56.05 | kergoth | George-: lol |
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| 00:56.28 | George- | kergoth: ok, that guy has got to be the stupidest guy I've ever talked to |
| 00:56.45 | NetAmp | just tell him to RTFM :P |
| 00:56.47 | kergoth | heh, that bad eh? |
| 00:56.57 | George- | kergoth: well, that's the only line he's said :) |
| 00:57.03 | George- | oh, and: <glick> damnit does _anyone_ know? |
| 00:57.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:57.24 | kergoth | incompetence reigns |
| 00:57.29 | NetAmp | or, select the text in the location bar and press backspace |
| 00:57.43 | NetAmp | (or delete while you're at it) |
| 00:57.44 | George- | cya kergoth |
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| 00:57.50 | NetAmp | l8r |
| 00:57.58 | George- | NetAmp: he might be on a mac laptop, which has no delete key, mwahahahaha |
| 00:58.04 | NetAmp | lol |
| 00:58.11 | NetAmp | that's plain evil |
| 00:58.22 | George- | it is when it comes to vi |
| 00:58.43 | NetAmp | isn't Apple+Backspace similar |
| 00:58.51 | NetAmp | or something like that |
| 00:58.53 | George- | NetAmp: hrmm, is that the key combi? |
| 00:59.07 | NetAmp | dunnow... i don't own a mac thingy |
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| 01:00.11 | NetAmp | ah well time to sleep.. |
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| 01:00.19 | NetAmp | have fun George ;) |
| 01:00.21 | George- | ty |
| 01:00.23 | George- | cya |
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| 01:06.00 | Vano | see ya ppl |
| 01:06.18 | bronson | Wait, did someone already fix kpacman? |
| 01:06.27 | bronson | I notice the copy being performed in postinst. |
| 01:06.36 | George- | well that "fix" sucks |
| 01:06.40 | George- | fix it properly! |
| 01:06.46 | bronson | Agreed. OK. |
| 01:06.47 | bronson | :) |
| 01:08.06 | bronson | Is there an example of an app that handles settings properly? |
| 01:09.03 | George- | textedit? |
| 01:09.17 | bronson | I'll take a look. |
| 01:20.36 | duplexer_wifi | *sigh* hard reset *sigh again* |
| 01:21.26 | gabe | hjcxudgjde |
| 01:22.18 | gabe | guh. neither french nor deutsh i18n packages will install properly for me |
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| 01:26.46 | s003apr | does anyone know if there is work being done on porting scite to zaurus? |
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| 01:41.31 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: you work for ATI? |
| 01:41.45 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 01:41.56 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: yup |
| 01:42.23 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: cool, can you bloody release drivers for linuxppc? :) |
| 01:42.52 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: drivers for what card ? |
| 01:43.00 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: radeon mobility? ;) |
| 01:43.12 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: hehe |
| 01:43.31 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: there are opensource radeon drivers |
| 01:43.38 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: yeh, and they suck :) |
| 01:43.58 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: thats because opensource sucks :)))) |
| 01:44.08 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: omfg... :P |
| 01:44.13 | George`ZZz | carnage time |
| 01:44.18 | George`ZZz | ~lart TCMAN |
| 01:44.19 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: j/k |
| 01:44.23 | George`ZZz | ~bitchslap TCMAN |
| 01:44.24 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of TCMAN |
| 01:44.30 | George`ZZz | ~fishslap TCMAN |
| 01:44.32 | | ACTION slaps TCMAN up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 01:44.32 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 01:44.35 | George`ZZz | ~kill TCMAN |
| 01:44.36 | | ACTION slits TCMAN's throat |
| 01:44.59 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: no, but on a more serious note |
| 01:45.15 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: well, the firegl driver is R200+ |
| 01:45.16 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: the driver support for the ATi cards on PPC really sucks |
| 01:45.39 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: radeon dri driver is supposed to be quite good, isnt it ? |
| 01:45.56 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: with some serious tweaks and bashing with AltiVec I can just squeeze 520 fps out of glxgears |
| 01:46.00 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: whats the diff, ppc or x86 |
| 01:46.13 | George`ZZz | ? |
| 01:46.17 | George`ZZz | heya kergoth |
| 01:46.38 | George`ZZz | kergoth: <TCMAN> George`ZZz: thats because opensource sucks :)))) |
| 01:46.44 | George`ZZz | kergoth: what shall we do with him? |
| 01:46.52 | George`ZZz | kergoth: do you know a place we can hide the body? |
| 01:46.53 | kergoth | have him drawn & quartered |
| 01:47.11 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: are you sure you are running with hardware accel ? |
| 01:47.11 | George`ZZz | ahh, good idea |
| 01:47.16 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: yes |
| 01:47.21 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: this is a Radeon Mobility 16MB |
| 01:47.24 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: i get that much on my tosh p3 600 running on savage ix using MY DRIVER :) |
| 01:47.47 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: humph |
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| 01:48.16 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: in OS X on the Apple X11 I can get the same fps in glxgears |
| 01:48.23 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: and there's a lot more overhead! |
| 01:48.32 | George`ZZz | (Quartz Extreme for example) |
| 01:48.51 | George`ZZz | ahh shit |
| 01:48.52 | TCMAN | kergoth: george said that radeon dri driver sucks, so i told him that opensource sucks :))) |
| 01:48.56 | George`ZZz | it's nearly 3am |
| 01:49.06 | George`ZZz | bit late for a kid |
| 01:49.07 | George`ZZz | cya |
| 01:49.10 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: there is lots of overhead in DRI |
| 01:49.18 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: sort it :) |
| 01:49.22 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: maybe the drive doesnt use dma on ppc or something |
| 01:49.41 | George`ZZz | TCMAN: what should the Radeon M6 LY 16MB get ? |
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| 01:50.09 | George`ZZz | ok, I'm going to bed |
| 01:50.12 | George`ZZz | *yawn* |
| 01:50.59 | TCMAN | George`ZZz: i have no idea, i never used or had it |
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| 02:02.07 | ljp | george is really a 75 year old female granny |
| 02:03.30 | kergoth | ljp: mentioned to someone your mic mod on your 5000d. you ever take pics or write that up? |
| 02:03.39 | duplexer_wifi | I would hope one is a female, if one is to be a granny. |
| 02:04.16 | ljp | I have a web page at opie.us on that. someone else wrote it. I never did get the images, though |
| 02:05.17 | krezel | ljp: mike mod? |
| 02:05.19 | ljp | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/sl5x00_mic.htm |
| 02:05.39 | kergoth | yep, got it |
| 02:05.40 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:05.45 | kergoth | i always forget opie.us exists |
| 02:05.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:05.55 | ljp | ya, me too |
| 02:05.56 | krezel | heh theres no pictures |
| 02:06.13 | ljp | that server is up in north alaska somewhere |
| 02:06.23 | kergoth | ah that one of hardwire's? |
| 02:06.27 | ljp | yup |
| 02:06.31 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:06.31 | ljp | :) |
| 02:06.33 | krezel | Wow they have internet access in alaska :) |
| 02:06.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:06.48 | ljp | they also have nukes |
| 02:07.06 | krezel | Everyone has nukes, everybody had nukes long before they had internet access :) |
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| 02:07.17 | TCMAN | ljp: and they are not afraid to use them ? |
| 02:07.33 | ljp | heheh, not Alaskans! no siree! |
| 02:07.40 | darius_ | doesn't the zaurus have a mic?? |
| 02:07.47 | ljp | they use nukes to warm up bacon for breakfast |
| 02:08.06 | kergoth | darius_: no, you have to plug in a headset into the headphone jack |
| 02:08.08 | darius_ | or, at least the 5500 |
| 02:08.12 | ljp | no mic on 500d and 5500 |
| 02:08.13 | kergoth | or mod it |
| 02:08.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:08.20 | darius_ | kergoth: I can speak into my 5500 |
| 02:08.25 | darius_ | it records my voice |
| 02:08.33 | ljp | I still need to add a diode to that |
| 02:08.34 | TCMAN | this mod is cool, too bad there are no pictures |
| 02:08.43 | kergoth | darius_: what? |
| 02:08.49 | darius_ | It works with ZMeeting too |
| 02:08.51 | darius_ | just yesterday |
| 02:09.06 | krezel | ZMeeting? GnomeMeeting port? |
| 02:09.25 | TCMAN | i wanted to open my z since i got it |
| 02:09.40 | krezel | Its not all that exciting in ther |
| 02:09.45 | darius_ | krezel: don't know .. it's from tropic software |
| 02:09.48 | ljp | that hardest part is getting the keyboard cover on and off |
| 02:09.56 | darius_ | the mic is real low, but I swear it records my voice |
| 02:10.17 | ljp | there is no mic on 5500, unless you mod it |
| 02:10.54 | darius_ | could it be recording through my headphones? cause it's recording |
| 02:11.20 | ljp | yes, if you have headphones plugged in it's being recorded through the left speaker |
| 02:11.32 | krezel | People look at me wierd when I yell into my headphones |
| 02:11.36 | ljp | hehehe |
| 02:11.38 | TCMAN | krezel: i always open my toys |
| 02:11.46 | TCMAN | krezel: and sometimes i break them |
| 02:11.59 | darius_ | bwahaha |
| 02:12.07 | krezel | TCMAN: I left them open once or twice when I was young... learned my lesson quick |
| 02:12.09 | darius_ | I just checked - it is the headphones |
| 02:12.14 | darius_ | must be why it's low :) |
| 02:13.19 | darius_ | all that time I thought it was a bad mic :) |
| 02:14.15 | TCMAN | krezel: i didnt :) |
| 02:14.37 | TCMAN | krezel: lately i installed my car radio and almost broke it :) |
| 02:23.21 | krezel | darius_: so you were recording through headphones you had on your head? |
| 02:29.43 | devusb | erm, why does konq crash when loading a page (slashdot, for example) |
| 02:29.59 | kergoth | because you're using liquid |
| 02:30.02 | kergoth | change styles |
| 02:30.06 | devusb | doh |
| 02:30.07 | kergoth | and read the mailing list archives or subscribe |
| 02:30.07 | devusb | thanks :) |
| 02:30.15 | kergoth | this has been discussed multiple times now |
| 02:30.16 | krezel | Have you sacrificed your quota of sheep this month? |
| 02:31.41 | kergoth | eek! no, you need to sacrifice a goat! not a sheep, a goat! |
| 02:31.55 | devusb | kergoth: yep, but I probably wasn't here.. |
| 02:32.04 | kergoth | people never listen, then their Z is all covered in sheep's blood, and still doesnt work.. and they're complaining |
| 02:32.10 | kergoth | devusb: did i say it was discussed here? |
| 02:32.12 | kergoth | devusb: no, i didnt. |
| 02:32.15 | krezel | goat? oh shit, its a sheep for xmms-e, I was mistaken |
| 02:32.20 | kergoth | devusb: this has been covered in threads on the mailing list |
| 02:32.25 | kergoth | devusb: on multiple occasions |
| 02:32.41 | devusb | aha |
| 02:32.46 | devusb | I don't read that either.. |
| 02:32.52 | devusb | and I don't read at all, very well :P |
| 02:33.31 | krezel | kergoth: you'll probably tell me to check the mailing list for this, but where does one sign up for the mailing list? :) |
| 02:33.48 | kergoth | openzaurus.org -> contact |
| 02:33.52 | krezel | oops found it |
| 02:33.54 | krezel | thanks though |
| 02:33.56 | kergoth | np |
| 02:35.02 | krezel | Hmm I never knew there was a #openzaurus |
| 02:35.13 | kergoth | heh |
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| 02:40.20 | TCMAN | wow, there is Z for $200 on tigerdirect |
| 02:40.48 | jshare | ok, after updating busybox from unstable, is a reboot sufficient to get vnc working, or do i need to reinstall the sucker? |
| 02:40.55 | kergoth | jshare: reboot |
| 02:41.00 | kergoth | thats enough |
| 02:41.01 | jshare | smooth |
| 02:41.19 | TCMAN | jshare: does it fix the keyboard problem ? |
| 02:41.24 | kergoth | yes |
| 02:41.25 | kergoth | it does |
| 02:41.29 | jshare | we'll see. :) |
| 02:41.35 | TCMAN | gotta try it |
| 02:41.38 | kergoth | it also fixes a couple other issues w/ jeode apps and other apps not starting from opie |
| 02:41.42 | kergoth | iirc |
| 02:41.51 | kergoth | ah, no that was oz-base that fixes those |
| 02:41.53 | kergoth | eheh |
| 02:42.00 | kergoth | getting my bugfixes mixed up |
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| 02:43.04 | jshare | yay, keyboard. |
| 02:43.27 | mchang | jshare: yay |
| 02:44.39 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:45.13 | jshare | so, OZ is on this kernel primarily due to SD issues? |
| 02:45.27 | jshare | and those are because the driver is closed source (security through obscurity) ? |
| 02:45.33 | kergoth | yes |
| 02:45.58 | TCMAN | jshare: SD is used as mmc in z |
| 02:46.02 | jshare | and MMC is the same formfactor, but doesn't have the security stuff? |
| 02:46.12 | kergoth | TCMAN: wrong |
| 02:46.15 | TCMAN | i am not even sure that there are additional pins in socket |
| 02:46.21 | kergoth | sd doesnt have the security, thats true |
| 02:46.28 | krezel | Has anybody written a VNC client for Linux that will record the VNC session to an mpeg or something? |
| 02:46.30 | kergoth | but the sd card vs mmc card initialization sequence is different |
| 02:46.40 | TCMAN | kergoth: isnt sd supposed to work in mmc mode too ? |
| 02:46.44 | kergoth | An open source mmc driver cannot init sd cards |
| 02:46.45 | kergoth | TCMAN: NO |
| 02:46.46 | treke|ho1e | krezel: nope |
| 02:46.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:46.54 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok |
| 02:47.08 | treke|ho1e | TCMAN: MMC fits in the slots and SD drivers usually can read MMC cards |
| 02:47.09 | jshare | http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ |
| 02:47.10 | TCMAN | kergoth: so whats the secret thing ? cannot it be reverse engineered ? |
| 02:47.14 | treke|ho1e | MMC and SD are still different thing |
| 02:47.15 | jshare | that's vnc 2 flash |
| 02:47.22 | krezel | oooh cool |
| 02:47.24 | kergoth | TCMAN: not without getting your ass sued off, if you're in the US |
| 02:47.41 | krezel | ok thats fuckign sweet |
| 02:47.50 | TCMAN | kergoth: you just need to get some russian do it :) |
| 02:48.12 | TCMAN | kergoth: i though that sd card is backward compatible with mmc |
| 02:48.34 | treke|ho1e | TCMAN: you misunderstand the situtation |
| 02:48.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:49.08 | TCMAN | treke|ho1e: so how i can use sd card with usb reader in linux ? |
| 02:49.18 | treke|ho1e | you probably cant |
| 02:49.36 | treke|ho1e | if you cant it's because the usb reader presents itself as a usb-storage device |
| 02:49.42 | treke|ho1e | er if you can... |
| 02:49.48 | TCMAN | treke|ho1e: ???? i did use it |
| 02:50.07 | TCMAN | treke|ho1e: in usb reader, as usb-storage |
| 02:50.07 | treke|ho1e | TCMAN: hence the reason I said you probably can't and added the exception to that rule |
| 02:50.24 | treke|ho1e | TCMAN: which means the hardware handles the SD stuff and pretends to be something standard |
| 02:50.28 | TCMAN | treke|ho1e: so what is the magic dust needed for sd-card ? |
| 02:50.35 | djr | ooh |
| 02:50.40 | djr | irssi is there |
| 02:50.51 | treke|ho1e | TCMAN: knowing the proper signals to send to the sd controller to make it send shit |
| 02:51.38 | chouimat | back |
| 02:51.39 | TCMAN | treke|ho1e: i though that sd cotroller is a hardware that interfaces with the sd card, you just need to send some key if you want to use some encrypted storage |
| 02:51.53 | kergoth | TCMAN: PLEASE go read and stop wasting our time |
| 02:51.56 | treke|ho1e | you thought wrong :) |
| 02:51.58 | kergoth | mailing list archives |
| 02:51.59 | kergoth | google |
| 02:51.59 | kergoth | sd.org |
| 02:52.19 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok |
| 02:52.32 | TCMAN | gotta go |
| 02:52.36 | treke|ho1e | uyou think kergoth and the kernel guys would be this uncertain on what to do if it was that easy? :) |
| 03:03.34 | krezel | anybody ever used QInputDialogs? I'm having issues |
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| 03:06.13 | treke|ho1e | what kind of issue? |
| 03:06.55 | treke|ho1e | is it be saying that the class isnt found |
| 03:06.57 | treke|ho1e | ? |
| 03:07.39 | krezel | Well i include qinputdialog.h, its in my include directory, but its telling me that that QInputDialog (used statically) is undeclared |
| 03:07.47 | treke|ho1e | sounds right |
| 03:07.51 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:07.53 | treke|ho1e | its because it isnt declared |
| 03:08.03 | treke|ho1e | You cant use QINPUTDIALOG on the Zaurus :) |
| 03:08.08 | krezel | You dont need to declare things that are static :) |
| 03:08.09 | krezel | ah |
| 03:08.35 | krezel | well isnt that a big "fuck you krezel" from sharp :) |
| 03:08.39 | treke|ho1e | nope |
| 03:08.45 | treke|ho1e | its from trolltech |
| 03:09.06 | treke|ho1e | sharp didnt decide what is included and what isnt |
| 03:09.13 | krezel | well the QInputDialog is part of 2.3, which is what is used on the zaurus, right? |
| 03:09.26 | treke|ho1e | right |
| 03:09.33 | treke|ho1e | its just not an enabled part of 2.3 |
| 03:09.34 | kergoth | krezel: read qconfig-qpe.h |
| 03:10.55 | krezel | kergoth: where would this file be? its not in my Qtopia includes |
| 03:11.03 | treke|ho1e | in the qpe source |
| 03:11.09 | krezel | ah |
| 03:11.26 | treke|ho1e | http://treke.net/downloads/qconfig-qpe.h |
| 03:12.10 | krezel | thansk |
| 03:13.06 | krezel | bastards |
| 03:13.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:15.17 | treke|ho1e | eh. there are probably better ways to do it :) |
| 03:15.30 | krezel | all I want is one line of freaking text input :) |
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| 03:44.23 | devusb | is there a pop mailer in the oz feed? |
| 03:44.34 | treke|ho1e | no |
| 03:44.51 | devusb | ok, is there a good one elsewhere? |
| 03:44.58 | treke|ho1e | www.thekompany.com |
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| 03:47.37 | ljp | not in oz/opie feed, but I just got mailit in opie-bigapps cvs to work ok |
| 03:48.06 | treke|ho1e | get it into a feed and I'll happily point people at it |
| 03:48.13 | treke|ho1e | ljp: and wtf is it in bigapps? how bigg is it |
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| 03:48.43 | ljp | dunno who put it there.. I will move it back once md5 works |
| 03:49.35 | kergoth | everything from unsupported went in bigapps |
| 03:49.39 | kergoth | as that shit was slowing cvs checkouts |
| 03:50.05 | ljp | I think it was put there, cause no one was working on it. I got a whim, and found a '<' and a '>' missing from a server message |
| 03:50.31 | ljp | adn it now sends smtp |
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| 03:55.16 | garth | hi folks |
| 03:55.23 | garth | I just got my Zaurus today |
| 03:55.47 | garth | how long do I need to wait before I can power it up... I connected to the AC a couple of hours ago |
| 03:55.53 | treke|ho1e | 24 hours |
| 03:56.09 | garth | can I turn it on while it is connected? |
| 03:57.02 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:57.27 | garth | does it charge all the time when plugged in? or only while off and plugged |
| 03:57.29 | garth | ? |
| 03:58.51 | kergoth | it changes whenever its on AC |
| 04:00.33 | garth | it says it doesn't power on when the charge is low even when plugged in... I guess 4hrs isn't enough to get it started... |
| 04:00.57 | hardwire | hi |
| 04:01.10 | kergoth | yo hardwire |
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| 04:01.13 | kergoth | whats goin on man |
| 04:01.52 | hardwire | just trying to get unklined from slashnet |
| 04:02.03 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:04.49 | hardwire | went and saw that uh.. fuck |
| 04:04.50 | hardwire | movie.. |
| 04:04.52 | hardwire | err. |
| 04:04.58 | hardwire | with chris rock |
| 04:05.03 | hardwire | it was pretty funny |
| 04:05.14 | hardwire | not as funny as bringing down the house which I saw a week ago. |
| 04:05.19 | polin8 | what is ibot? |
| 04:05.23 | polin8 | ibot: about |
| 04:05.24 | | polin8: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 04:07.15 | Techie2000 | ibot help |
| 04:07.29 | Techie2000 | try that |
| 04:10.12 | hardwire | sugar hi |
| 04:10.14 | Sugar | Hello hardwire. |
| 04:10.17 | hardwire | doh |
| 04:10.21 | hardwire | ibot seen sugar |
| 04:10.22 | | sugar is currently on #opie (1d 8h 26m 25s) #zaurus (1d 8h 26m 25s) #openembedded (1d 8h 26m 25s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 8s |
| 04:10.23 | darienm | Sugar make hardwire a rum and coke |
| 04:10.37 | hardwire | damn.. sugar isn't chatty |
| 04:10.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:10.52 | darienm | sugar, insult hardwire |
| 04:10.58 | kergoth | ~bitchslap Sugar |
| 04:10.59 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Sugar |
| 04:11.13 | darienm | I went and bought a CF card today. |
| 04:11.14 | hardwire | ~bitchslap momma |
| 04:11.15 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of momma |
| 04:11.19 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:11.20 | hardwire | hey now! |
| 04:11.20 | darienm | that's how re-committed I am to my Zaurus |
| 04:11.27 | kergoth | darienm: go install OZ 3.2 |
| 04:11.30 | darienm | So now, I'm trying !!!!!! |
| 04:11.38 | darienm | But I can't get to the Z thru the cradle. |
| 04:11.41 | darienm | I seem to have forgotten how |
| 04:11.55 | darienm | what is the #1 noob mistake? |
| 04:12.04 | darienm | Windows XP, IPs are set, security is set |
| 04:12.12 | darienm | Created a network icon |
| 04:12.16 | hardwire | noob mistake.. using doze |
| 04:12.17 | darienm | Using FTP port 4242 |
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| 04:12.32 | darienm | USB is plugged in |
| 04:12.45 | darienm | Well - I could try it with my Mac OS X. Are those drivers avail yet? |
| 04:12.57 | TCMAN | re |
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| 04:13.15 | Techie2000 | OZ 3.2 is good stuff... |
| 04:13.21 | darienm | Shhhhhh!!!! |
| 04:13.24 | darienm | I don't want to hear it. |
| 04:13.36 | Techie2000 | LoL |
| 04:13.47 | darienm | I -used- to be able to connect. |
| 04:14.06 | darienm | what's the USBDNET setting I have to tweak? some file somewhere.... |
| 04:14.12 | darienm | ibot usb |
| 04:14.16 | | usb is probably at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 04:14.55 | mutexer | its in your kernel |
| 04:15.06 | mutexer | docs.zaurus.com has info on it |
| 04:17.44 | NeoTron | evening |
| 04:18.49 | garth | do I need to do a full reset on my new Zaurus after it charges for 24 hrs? |
| 04:19.28 | NeoTron | no |
| 04:19.46 | garth | does the mail light always stay on? |
| 04:20.31 | NeoTron | you can always try a normal reboot |
| 04:21.28 | garth | I pushed the cancel/on/off button... I guess the charge isn't enough... must be because the backup battery isn't full yet |
| 04:23.01 | darienm | What's the default IP for the DESKTOP side when connecting to Zarus over TCP/IP ? |
| 04:23.08 | darienm | 192.169.129. xxx ? |
| 04:23.10 | darienm | er |
| 04:23.15 | darienm | 192.168.129. xxx ? |
| 04:23.47 | fliplap | 192.168.129.200 |
| 04:23.50 | kergoth | darienm: the desktop generally (in sharp) obtains its IP from the Z through dhcp |
| 04:24.01 | darienm | Nah, Using OZ |
| 04:24.05 | fliplap | at least on mine thats what it was |
| 04:24.17 | darienm | Thought there was a preferred IP for both sides. |
| 04:24.23 | darienm | Z is .201, Desktop is ? |
| 04:24.45 | fliplap | yes, 200 |
| 04:25.01 | kergoth | preferred is .1 or .200 depending |
| 04:25.15 | fliplap | i changed mine to .1 |
| 04:25.58 | darienm | Mwahah. I got it. |
| 04:26.02 | darienm | Here comes OZ 3.2 !!!!!1 |
| 04:27.22 | darienm | kergoth, recommend 40-24 or 48-16? I have 256 MB CF, and 128 MB SD |
| 04:27.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:27.36 | kergoth | i install everything to my _64_mb sd card and i run 64-0 |
| 04:27.44 | darienm | hrm. |
| 04:27.47 | kergoth | doesnt matter really |
| 04:27.53 | kergoth | i started with 40-24 |
| 04:27.54 | kergoth | then 48-16 |
| 04:27.56 | hardwire | shuoldn't ibot have eventually just retained the name zbot? |
| 04:28.01 | kergoth | then realized i wasnt installing anything to my ramdisk anyway |
| 04:28.02 | kergoth | hardwire: no |
| 04:28.07 | darienm | with 48-16 you ever feel you want -more- ram ? |
| 04:28.09 | kergoth | hardwire: ibot is in a lot more channels than just this one |
| 04:28.11 | kergoth | darienm: no |
| 04:28.18 | fliplap | i low low memory messages once in awhile on 40-24 |
| 04:28.19 | kergoth | darienm: i realized i wasnt installing any apps to the ramdisk |
| 04:28.22 | fliplap | i get even |
| 04:28.24 | kergoth | darienm: so there was no point in having it |
| 04:28.39 | hardwire | kergoth: oh I know.. its just odd that something like "ibot: usb?" would return a zaurus proprietary infoblob |
| 04:28.40 | fliplap | but really only when playing videos |
| 04:28.46 | darienm | ok, 48-16 it is, because I remember there being a FEW programs that refused to install anywhere except ram. |
| 04:28.53 | kergoth | darienm: you remember wrong |
| 04:28.56 | kergoth | darienm: on SHARP maybe |
| 04:29.02 | darienm | ok then. |
| 04:29.04 | kergoth | darienm: in oz apps install where you want them |
| 04:29.13 | kergoth | if it fails, its because you're installing it to a vfat medium |
| 04:29.15 | kergoth | thats it. |
| 04:29.15 | darienm | 60-0 hrm |
| 04:29.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:29.23 | darienm | do I -not- want vfat? |
| 04:29.33 | ljp | hardwire! |
| 04:29.33 | darienm | oh right |
| 04:29.34 | darienm | I remember |
| 04:29.37 | kergoth | you cant have links on vfat media |
| 04:29.39 | darienm | geez. |
| 04:29.51 | darienm | that's why the SD card is jff2s or something |
| 04:29.59 | kergoth | so if you keep it vfat, install the apps that need links into flash or ram |
| 04:30.02 | kergoth | its not jffs2.. |
| 04:30.03 | ljp | ibot: usb |
| 04:30.05 | | from memory, usb is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 04:30.07 | kergoth | its probably ext2 |
| 04:30.15 | darienm | or still fat |
| 04:30.26 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:30.37 | darienm | OK, which is easier to format as ext2: sd or cf ? |
| 04:30.40 | kergoth | hardwire: eh, that usb wiki page isnt Z specific, its ipaq |
| 04:30.47 | kergoth | darienm: uh |
| 04:30.50 | kergoth | the steps are identical |
| 04:30.53 | darienm | I don't suppose CF would be happy in other places (digital cameras, windows desktops) etc |
| 04:31.02 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:31.07 | kergoth | most people format sd to ext2 |
| 04:31.12 | kergoth | leave their cf cards vfat |
| 04:31.15 | darienm | coolio |
| 04:31.17 | kergoth | or partition their cf cards up |
| 04:31.20 | kergoth | small vfat partition, rest ext2 |
| 04:32.09 | hardwire | kergoth: augh.. my vauge point is now as vauge as ibots name. |
| 04:32.25 | hardwire | I bet I spelled that wrong ;) |
| 04:32.41 | darienm | Where would I find partition instructions for that? |
| 04:33.07 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:33.15 | kergoth | darienm: openzaurus-users |
| 04:33.27 | kergoth | darienm: mailing list archives |
| 04:33.45 | kergoth | its funny, openzaurus-users now gets nearly more traffic than zaurus-general |
| 04:39.15 | krezel | uvfat? |
| 04:39.44 | garth | uvfat... it's a unix file system on a vfat partition |
| 04:39.55 | garth | similar to Umsdos I understand... |
| 04:39.58 | garth | http://linux.voyager.hr/umsdos/#uvfat |
| 04:40.54 | garth | I used to use Umsdos (and loadlin.exe) when I first started with linux to run it off my windows directory without re-partitioning |
| 04:41.16 | mewyn | i need to find a cleaner method of changing oil |
| 04:43.26 | fliplap | give me $15 todo it? |
| 04:43.40 | mewyn | yah, but it only costs me $6 |
| 04:45.07 | krezel | Oil? What do you need oil for in your car? :) |
| 04:45.18 | krezel | Just drain it, replace it with soap, so it doesnt get dirty |
| 04:45.19 | mewyn | you don't |
| 04:45.23 | mewyn | lol |
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| 05:18.09 | mewyn | anyone else play with the duke sources? |
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| 05:19.27 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 05:19.41 | warmi | hi |
| 05:19.49 | krezel | Why does C++ make me feel like I got in a bar fight? |
| 05:20.43 | mewyn | i should head home and clean up |
| 05:20.54 | mewyn | i smell like an auto garage |
| 05:22.23 | warmi | krezel: oh man ... if C++ is like that I can;t imagine what perl would be like |
| 05:23.03 | hcarty | Perl is a beautiful thing til you have to read someone else's code :-) |
| 05:23.45 | warmi | hcarty: perl looks like binary database dump viewed in a text editor |
| 05:24.28 | krezel | perl is cute, like a big hariy camel |
| 05:24.37 | krezel | s/hariy/hairy/ |
| 05:24.57 | krezel | anybody know what happens if you write a boolean to a stream? |
| 05:25.09 | krezel | does it come out as "true" or "false" ? |
| 05:26.14 | warmi | C++ cout stuff ? |
| 05:26.39 | krezel | well a QTextStream, but it should work the same way |
| 05:27.38 | warmi | well, it is not a question if it writes true or false but rather if it writes true or 1 /false or 0 |
| 05:27.42 | warmi | let me see |
| 05:27.50 | krezel | i'll give it a shot, see what happens |
| 05:28.33 | mutexer | warmi: I love you |
| 05:28.57 | mutexer | my game runs correctly now |
| 05:29.32 | warmi | mutexer correctly as in fast enough or what ? |
| 05:29.33 | warmi | :-) |
| 05:29.43 | mutexer | yeah |
| 05:29.53 | mutexer | I was getting lag like a mutha... it runs supa fast now |
| 05:30.02 | warmi | well, ZSurface is much .. much faster than QPainter + Qimage/QPixmap etc .. |
| 05:30.08 | mutexer | yes it is |
| 05:30.31 | mutexer | it plays as fast as it does on my PC now |
| 05:30.54 | krezel | ah it writes and reads 0's and 1's |
| 05:31.00 | mutexer | IM glad NeoTron showed me that |
| 05:31.20 | mutexer | otherwise I would have shiped with poor performance |
| 05:31.31 | mutexer | which is never good |
| 05:31.36 | warmi | mutexer: yeah |
| 05:31.37 | NeoTron | mutexer: got zsurface working? :) |
| 05:31.38 | warmi | enjoy |
| 05:31.39 | warmi | heh |
| 05:32.03 | mutexer | NeoTron: yep.. was a piece of cake |
| 05:32.40 | NeoTron | mutexer: figured. :) |
| 05:33.08 | mutexer | Im getting more the hang of SDL now too.. found some more documentation |
| 05:33.23 | _Psycho | what the default ip of the zaurus by usb ? |
| 05:33.33 | mutexer | 192.168.129.201 |
| 05:35.04 | _Psycho | thanks |
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| 05:38.06 | warmi | mutexer what kind of game is that ? or is it still a secret ? |
| 05:38.20 | mutexer | http://www.discordstudios.com/jack |
| 05:39.08 | warmi | whoa .. this is a cool loking game |
| 05:39.15 | warmi | you created the graphics as well ? |
| 05:40.17 | mutexer | nah my artist Gary Simpson did |
| 05:40.23 | mutexer | hes a good artist |
| 05:40.28 | warmi | looks great |
| 05:40.30 | warmi | it really does |
| 05:40.35 | fliplap | i heart x2vnc |
| 05:40.55 | mutexer | we ve advertised it on pocketPC website (IM doing a pocketPC port as well)... its been received well |
| 05:41.37 | warmi | mutexer: what kind of game API are you guys going to use on PocketPC ? |
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| 05:42.24 | mutexer | GAPIdraw I think is the name of it |
| 05:43.17 | warmi | O yeah.. I ported my Zaurus game to Pocket PC using GapiDraw |
| 05:43.33 | warmi | pretty good |
| 05:43.51 | mutexer | yeah.. its either than or GAPI... which is too low level for a quick port |
| 05:43.58 | mutexer | that* |
| 05:44.03 | warmi | GAPi is just a way to access framebuffer |
| 05:44.10 | warmi | GapiDraw contains entire framework |
| 05:44.14 | mutexer | yeah.. hence too low level :) |
| 05:44.35 | mutexer | I know.. low level was a poor choice of words |
| 05:44.48 | warmi | I did corespond with GapiDraw author a bit ... I was comparing ZSurface to his code and Zsurface came out on top ( 20 -30% faster on Pocket PC) |
| 05:44.56 | warmi | but that doesn't matter all that much |
| 05:45.30 | warmi | I am still using GapiDraw for my PocketPC ports because of convinience .. ZSurface is just a fast gfx class .. GapiDraw contains a lot more ( events etc - it is almost like SDL ) |
| 05:46.12 | mutexer | ZSurface works on PocketPC? |
| 05:46.47 | warmi | well, what I did was replace GapiDraw low level gfx routines with my ZSurface code and then run their MFC demo |
| 05:46.55 | mutexer | What image formats are supported by GAPIdraw? .. I cant seem to find anywhere that tells |
| 05:47.02 | mutexer | ahh |
| 05:47.03 | warmi | ZSurface low level Asm blitting routines work well on PPC since both are using the same CPU |
| 05:48.12 | warmi | GapiDraw supports bmp, png and I think gif |
| 05:48.33 | mutexer | does it use the alpha from png? |
| 05:48.42 | mutexer | or do you still have to do the key thing? |
| 05:49.06 | mutexer | my game uses pngs and jpegs |
| 05:49.18 | mutexer | IM wonder how much art is gonna need to be converted |
| 05:49.56 | warmi | GapiDraw support aplha and color keyed transparency .. it doesn't support alpha from png though .. you need to tell it which color is transparent |
| 05:50.13 | warmi | or you need to give it additional alpha CGapiDraw surface which acts like a alpha layer |
| 05:50.21 | mutexer | hrm.. gonna be lots of fixing then |
| 05:50.23 | warmi | paint in the ass .. I don't like that part |
| 05:50.37 | TCMAN | did anyone got quake working on Z ? |
| 05:50.52 | warmi | are you talking about true alpha ( with shadows etc ) or just talking about sprites with transparent areas |
| 05:51.02 | mutexer | sprites with transparent areas |
| 05:51.30 | noiddZZzz | allo |
| 05:52.02 | warmi | oh that is simple then - just redo your graphics and replace transparent parts of pngs with a single color |
| 05:52.16 | mutexer | yeah.. just a lot of pngs :) |
| 05:52.29 | warmi | oh well .. nobody said porting would be easy :-) |
| 05:52.31 | noidd | anyone here got a working buildroot they can check for me |
| 05:52.45 | warmi | TCMAN: |
| 05:52.46 | warmi | yeah |
| 05:52.46 | noidd | does this buildroot-oz/packages/ipkg/postinst file exist? |
| 05:52.46 | mutexer | does it matter what the color is? I saw somethinh where they said you should use black since its always the first in the pallete or something |
| 05:53.05 | mutexer | I didnt know if it mattered across devices or not |
| 05:53.06 | fliplap | black seems like it would be a bad idea |
| 05:53.09 | warmi | TCMAN: it doesn't work well though .. |
| 05:53.19 | fliplap | maybe like bright pink or something |
| 05:53.29 | warmi | mutexer : it doesn't matter at all ... there are no palettes on these devices |
| 05:53.29 | mutexer | black would also be tough cause have to convery all the images |
| 05:53.35 | mutexer | warmi: cool |
| 05:53.38 | warmi | just make sure that color is not present in your sprite |
| 05:53.44 | fliplap | yeah |
| 05:53.45 | TCMAN | warmi: when i tried it it couldnt find pak files, even though i installed program and data IPKs |
| 05:53.53 | mutexer | yeah.. we can use some odd color then |
| 05:53.54 | warmi | most people just use 255.0.255 ( magenta) |
| 05:54.12 | mutexer | yeah....probably what we will use |
| 05:54.18 | noidd | hmm, touch /home/red/projects/buildroot-oz/packages/ipkg/postinst ; make |
| 05:54.25 | noidd | me-- # storing up a bug for later |
| 05:54.31 | warmi | TCMAN: well, I never tried personally but I have seen people discussing how slow it runs on the Zaurus so I guess they somehow managed to get it to run |
| 05:54.42 | TCMAN | warmi: ok |
| 05:55.33 | warmi | mutexer : this port of Zaurus game to PPC uses GapiDraw http://www.warmi.net/pocketpc/anigma.shtml |
| 05:55.53 | warmi | the source code is available so you can take a look if you want to see how GapiDraw is typically used |
| 05:56.16 | mutexer | cool |
| 05:56.30 | mutexer | does GAPI draw do sounds and music or just drawing? |
| 05:56.44 | warmi | no, just gfx + events |
| 05:56.51 | warmi | no sound unfortunately |
| 05:56.59 | mutexer | k |
| 05:57.14 | warmi | does your game require many sounds playing at the same time or just basic sounds efects now and then ? |
| 05:57.33 | warmi | in Anigma I used combination of mikmod for PocketPC and standard windows wave out functions |
| 05:57.40 | mutexer | actually currently we only have music |
| 05:57.48 | mutexer | we may add sound effects too |
| 05:58.05 | mutexer | ahh.. I might can do that too then |
| 05:58.27 | mutexer | are there tools to convert wav files to mod files? |
| 05:58.58 | TCMAN | mutexer: mod files are composed music that contains score and instrument samples |
| 05:59.07 | warmi | you can't do that .. mod file is a file that contains bunch of notes + associated samples of instruments to be used by these notes |
| 05:59.36 | warmi | it has to be composed - there programs that will let you compose mod files .. sort of like creating midi music |
| 05:59.49 | TCMAN | you can play mod file to wav though :))) |
| 06:00.24 | warmi | yeah, that is correct |
| 06:00.48 | warmi | altought it would make much sense since the quality would be the same |
| 06:00.49 | warmi | heh |
| 06:01.29 | mutexer | ahh |
| 06:01.30 | warmi | TCMAN: winamp will play mod files |
| 06:01.39 | TCMAN | warmi: lots of my musician buddies compose stuff in .xm and then save to wav then mp3 for common folk to be able to hear it :) |
| 06:01.40 | warmi | you can download tons of different mods on the net |
| 06:01.54 | mutexer | thats odd |
| 06:02.03 | warmi | TCMAN: well, mp3 I can understand but wav ? you would end up with huge wav files :-) |
| 06:02.21 | mutexer | IM using wavs currently for the music |
| 06:02.27 | TCMAN | warmi: wav is intermediate format before mp3 |
| 06:02.27 | mutexer | IM gonna have to stream it |
| 06:02.47 | mutexer | 277k on disk.. like 2.5mb in memory |
| 06:03.09 | warmi | mutexer : really ? well, that is going to be a short sound track considering how much space wav files tend to take |
| 06:03.20 | mutexer | its 8bit mono and 25 seconds long |
| 06:03.21 | warmi | with 300 kb mod file you can get a 5-6 minute long song |
| 06:03.28 | Neo|Laptop | mutexer: what audio format do you have set for SDL? |
| 06:03.40 | mutexer | what do you mean? |
| 06:03.50 | mutexer | IM loading wavs |
| 06:03.52 | Neo|Laptop | how do you open the audio device? |
| 06:04.01 | Neo|Laptop | Hz, channels etc |
| 06:04.35 | mutexer | oh.. more than my file |
| 06:04.38 | mutexer | 22hz |
| 06:05.12 | mutexer | fmt.freq = 22050;fmt.format = AUDIO_S16;fmt.channels = 2;fmt.samples = 512; |
| 06:05.25 | mutexer | that might be where my large file size is coming from |
| 06:05.28 | mutexer | didnt think about that |
| 06:05.35 | warmi | mutexer most games on PocketPC/Zaurus type of devices use either mod ( most common) or mp3s |
| 06:05.50 | warmi | I have never seen a game on Pocket PC using pure wave files |
| 06:05.54 | warmi | for a soundtrack |
| 06:06.04 | mutexer | I dont doubt it |
| 06:06.04 | Neo|Laptop | warmi: Bust'em does, MSR does |
| 06:06.15 | warmi | Neo|Laptop pure wav files ? |
| 06:06.16 | mutexer | I cant use mp3.. dont want to buy a license |
| 06:06.21 | Neo|Laptop | yes |
| 06:06.31 | warmi | how long are these "soundtracks " ? |
| 06:06.33 | Neo|Laptop | mutexer: ogg vorbis, if you have 20-30% CPU for audio |
| 06:06.36 | Neo|Laptop | warmi: not very |
| 06:06.44 | warmi | yeah, that is the problem |
| 06:07.04 | mutexer | thats the problem though I dont think I do |
| 06:07.11 | warmi | as I said, with mod you can get 10 different songs - 5 minutes each - and all that would take around 1-2 MB |
| 06:07.30 | mutexer | mod an odd format though.. I ll have to see if I can get the stuff in mod |
| 06:07.30 | warmi | of course, it doesn't sound as good as wav |
| 06:07.52 | warmi | well, if you can get away with 20 seconds soundtrack then sure |
| 06:07.54 | warmi | no problem |
| 06:08.02 | mutexer | IM looping it |
| 06:08.24 | mutexer | at least thats the plan I believe |
| 06:08.31 | Neo|Laptop | mutexer: it's not odd, it's rather more like midi |
| 06:08.41 | mutexer | the guy has the tracks in midi |
| 06:08.46 | mutexer | so maybe he can make mod too |
| 06:08.52 | warmi | well, yeah but that would make for a one hell of annoying soundtrack to listen to 20 seconds of looped music .. of course I am just guesing here - perhaps it will work out much better for you thank I think |
| 06:09.03 | mutexer | it sounds like techno :) |
| 06:09.09 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:09.11 | mutexer | that always sounds like 20 seconds looped :) |
| 06:09.20 | warmi | mutexer true that |
| 06:09.21 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:09.28 | Neo|Laptop | my game will have about 1-1.5 minute soundtrack, ogg |
| 06:09.34 | hardwire | all you other brothers can't deny it either.. so I have heard. |
| 06:09.51 | warmi | yeah, ogg is just as good as mp3 |
| 06:10.01 | warmi | and 1.5 minute long should be around 1 MB or so |
| 06:10.24 | warmi | and if you can spare that 30% CPU hit .. ogg would be the best way to go I guess |
| 06:17.07 | duplexer_wifi | mutexer, ha! |
| 06:20.10 | Neo|Laptop | warmi: more like 500 KB |
| 06:20.18 | Neo|Laptop | 48kbps => 360 KB / minute |
| 06:20.32 | warmi | yeah, that's even better |
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| 06:20.47 | warmi | mutexer when do you think you will have your game out ? |
| 06:21.11 | warmi | oh .. in April |
| 06:21.12 | warmi | I see |
| 06:21.35 | warmi | bye |
| 06:31.36 | fliplap | blah, zfceu segfaults on oz3.2 |
| 06:32.09 | fliplap | so does znester apparently |
| 06:34.26 | noidd | program considered to big if final link > 5 pages of 80x24 |
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| 07:20.09 | Aimio | :/ |
| 07:21.22 | Aimio|mmc-help | :) |
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| 07:22.03 | Aimio|mmc-help | I'm about to install via mmc card. need someone here to hold hand since instructions don't include mmc instructions |
| 07:22.17 | yeiazel | to install what ? |
| 07:23.11 | Aimio|mmc-help | OZ |
| 07:23.21 | Aimio|mmc-help | flash OZ |
| 07:23.28 | yeiazel | you can't |
| 07:23.34 | yeiazel | you can only install it from a CF card |
| 07:23.49 | Aimio|mmc-help | ! just bought a card 'cos was told here yesterday I could :( |
| 07:23.56 | Aimio|mmc-help | :'( |
| 07:24.10 | yeiazel | the one that said you that you can from a mmc is a liar |
| 07:24.26 | yeiazel | just kick him |
| 07:24.27 | Aimio|mmc-help | git, I just wasted my money |
| 07:24.33 | Bala | fuck thats a pisser |
| 07:24.50 | Bala | remember who? |
| 07:24.51 | Aimio|mmc-help | thier name began with H but isn't here :/ |
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| 07:25.26 | yeiazel | Aimio|mmc-help: at least you can use your MMC card to install apps on it |
| 07:25.30 | Bala | well its not like you cant use the MMC card .... so its only like a 99% waste |
| 07:25.46 | darmou | Has anyone been able to get vncserver to work with 3.2? with keyboard input? |
| 07:25.51 | Aimio|mmc-help | yea, not a total waste. if I can find someone to lend me CF card i'll be happy |
| 07:27.03 | Bala | is a 16 large enuff? |
| 07:27.45 | Aimio|mmc-help | yea |
| 07:28.12 | Aimio|mmc-help | ££10 pounds on dabs for 32mb, shame I've just ordered from them ! (p+p) |
| 07:39.42 | Aimio|mmc-help | i'm going to see if the win32 updater is hackable. it doesn't need CF /sd card. see if I can replace thier data with OZ. (ain't gonna work) is thier a danger I could perminantly ruin my Z? |
| 07:40.18 | TCMAN | darmou:you have to upgrade to busybox in unstable and reboot |
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| 07:46.53 | yeiazel | Aimio|mmc-help: dunno; I don't think you will be able... |
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| 07:57.42 | SuperH | darn |
| 07:57.49 | SuperH | this card is pretty messed up |
| 07:58.31 | djr | hmm? |
| 07:58.54 | SuperH | i formatted the wrong thing |
| 07:58.57 | SuperH | and Zaurus is upset |
| 07:59.09 | SuperH | formatted mmcda not mmcda1 |
| 07:59.09 | SuperH | oops |
| 07:59.19 | SuperH | so yes, i wiped out my partition table |
| 08:03.22 | djr | hehe |
| 08:03.27 | djr | wont a reflash just fix that? |
| 08:06.35 | SuperH | it's a securedigital card |
| 08:07.12 | djr | ah, no idea |
| 08:08.24 | Aimio | fdisk mmvda, mkfs.whatever /dev/mmcda1 etc |
| 08:08.30 | Aimio | gtg |
| 08:08.40 | SuperH | yeah, but fdisk reports Bus Error |
| 08:19.32 | noidd | SuperH: unhealthy |
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| 08:32.07 | raceme | hi all |
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| 09:04.09 | noidd | Well, I have a working cross-compile of microperl |
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| 10:01.17 | Captain_Bork3r | Yo |
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| 10:48.50 | George`ZZz | blah |
| 10:54.34 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 10:56.22 | George- | hey Speedy2 |
| 10:56.30 | George- | bleh |
| 10:58.45 | Speedy2 | Sigh...I think this monitor needs some fixing. |
| 10:58.57 | George- | you realised?!??! |
| 10:58.58 | George- | wahooo |
| 10:59.01 | Speedy2 | No |
| 10:59.04 | Speedy2 | Not the 19" |
| 10:59.06 | Speedy2 | This 17" |
| 10:59.16 | Speedy2 | I think it has a power supply problem |
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| 11:08.45 | George- | bbiab - shower |
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| 11:16.54 | darmou | Has anyone had the problem of keybourd input in vncserver? |
| 11:17.30 | noidd | yes - it doesn't work for me for some unknown reason |
| 11:24.29 | Speedy2 | Ok, sleep time. |
| 11:25.10 | jaku | is the charger good for 220v?? |
| 11:25.47 | George- | jaku: the Z charger/ |
| 11:25.57 | George- | jaku: the Z charger works fine here on 240 |
| 11:29.19 | jaku | George-: TKS, good!! I have ordered zaurus in USA three days ago but I' am from Italy :) |
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| 11:33.04 | George- | hey ljp |
| 11:37.03 | ljp | hey g |
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| 11:58.28 | George|Work | hey Wintre |
| 11:59.29 | Wintre | Hi |
| 12:05.02 | `Leaves | man.. it's crazy outside! |
| 12:05.42 | George|Work | hrmm? |
| 12:05.50 | `Leaves | here in Canada anyways :) |
| 12:05.57 | `Leaves | there is a sheet of ice outside, and it's raining ice :) |
| 12:08.08 | `Leaves | well.. off to work in this ice |
| 12:08.23 | George|Work | gonna ski to work? ;) |
| 12:12.08 | darmou | I have ordered the onofficial travel charger from peakclowdy on ebay, hopefully it will work ok. |
| 12:12.15 | darmou | unofficial even |
| 12:12.51 | George|Work | darmou: if you're that stuck, you can always get an iPaq charger |
| 12:13.04 | George|Work | same ratings iirc |
| 12:15.18 | darmou | Thanks |
| 12:15.42 | darmou | I know the official one is really expensive 75$ aus way overpriced |
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| 12:30.30 | darmou | has anyone been able to get prboom to work on oz? |
| 12:30.53 | darmou | or is there another doom clone which works better? |
| 12:35.50 | George|Work | I did.. but it was a LONG time ago |
| 12:35.55 | George|Work | pre OZ 3 |
| 12:35.59 | George|Work | I dunno if it still works |
| 12:40.13 | darmou | Unfortunatly I have not been able to get it to work with 3.2 or the previous version (I.e the testing one) |
| 12:44.01 | George|Work | darmou: complain to kergoth ;) |
| 12:44.16 | George|Work | he's the OZ minion |
| 12:45.04 | noidd | now you're in deep shit |
| 12:49.34 | George|Work | noidd: well done on your /me skills |
| 12:49.49 | George|Work | wimp |
| 12:49.51 | George|Work | do it properly |
| 12:49.59 | *** topic/#zaurus by George|Work -> Sharp PDA Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || http://openzaurus.org/ || OpenZaurus 3.2 released! || HSN deal will be back on April 5th, sorry! (The original date for its apeareance) || Check out docs.zaurus.com for docs! | <George|Work> darmou: complain to kergoth ;) <George|Work> he's the OZ minion |
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| 12:50.32 | *** topic/#zaurus by George|Work -> Sharp PDA Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || http://openzaurus.org/ || OpenZaurus 3.2 released! || HSN deal will be back on April 5th, sorry! (The original date for its apeareance) || Check out docs.zaurus.com for docs! |
| 12:51.04 | mstr | Where can I put an .ipk for installer to find it? |
| 12:51.17 | mstr | I can't use cf for this. |
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| 13:02.49 | noidd | hehe |
| 13:10.36 | darmou | hopefully someone can fix the vncserver keybourd input problem |
| 13:11.04 | darmou | It was working in the testing oz version sigh:( |
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| 14:11.09 | George|Work | eyup mark |
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| 14:25.13 | George|Work | maybe because I'm apt-get upgrading, and it's downloading stuff at 60KB/s ;) |
| 14:27.32 | raceme | George|Work: QoS is good for you :) |
| 14:27.40 | George|Work | raceme: hrmm? |
| 14:28.07 | raceme | George|Work: to avoid slowing down your connection while doing heavy downloads |
| 14:28.36 | George|Work | hrmm? |
| 14:29.55 | noidd | George: QoS is short for Kwalitee of Service. It allows you to say "I want no more than Xkbps used up by web |
| 14:30.08 | noidd | leaving you bandwidth - X for games, irc etc |
| 14:30.44 | George|Work | raceme: hah |
| 14:30.47 | raceme | or how to have a great ping even while downloading at full rate |
| 14:30.56 | George|Work | raceme: when I said incompetance, it was a little joke between me and kergoth =P |
| 14:31.03 | raceme | eg: how to play Unreal while apt-get upgrading |
| 14:31.38 | raceme | George|Work: that's ok I was a little stressed yesterday :) |
| 14:31.50 | noidd | George|Wrk: probabaly less than 5% of the worlds enterprise markets, if that use QoS... so don't worry bout it |
| 14:32.06 | George|Work | raceme: it was directly referring to a quote that kergoth made when he was _seriously_ stressed "I have no patience for incompetance" |
| 14:32.21 | noidd | raceme probably just got sent on a course about it so he can operate a point and click QoS tool, a month before they go bankrupt |
| 14:32.32 | George|Work | noidd: haha |
| 14:32.39 | noidd | :-) |
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| 14:33.13 | George|Work | it's been pumping at a consistant 59KB/s |
| 14:33.17 | George|Work | for the past 1.5 hours |
| 14:33.21 | George|Work | nifty, for a 512 connected ;) |
| 14:33.33 | George|Work | you have failed me for the last time, raceme |
| 14:34.14 | George|Work | ibot webstats |
| 14:34.15 | | George|Work: wish i knew |
| 14:34.19 | raceme | I see that people here have good references :) |
| 14:34.46 | George|Work | raceme: *I* am your 0wn3r |
| 14:34.59 | George|Work | raceme: I 0wnnnzzz j00 |
| 14:35.06 | George|Work | :P |
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| 15:08.07 | noidd | 1/names * |
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| 15:25.38 | warmi | hi |
| 15:25.42 | George|Work | hey warmi |
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| 15:36.12 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.31 | rev | at TechFest at my college ;) |
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| 15:40.21 | warmi | Dynapad ? |
| 15:43.32 | treke|home | a sweak based environment |
| 15:43.43 | treke|home | http://dynapad.swiki.net/1 |
| 15:44.17 | warmi | oh . thanks |
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| 16:03.58 | devusb | how do I clean my screen? |
| 16:04.01 | devusb | like, with what? |
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| 16:06.05 | warmi | I just use water + piece of cloth |
| 16:09.52 | rev | heh, cool |
| 16:09.55 | rev | thanks treke |
| 16:15.46 | kergoth | mornin |
| 16:16.49 | warmi | hi |
| 16:17.36 | raceme | afternoon :) |
| 16:18.10 | rev | yo |
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| 16:26.51 | cbok | KG! |
| 16:27.32 | kergoth | yo cbok |
| 16:27.37 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 16:30.35 | George- | heya kergoth |
| 16:31.50 | kergoth | hey george |
| 16:33.21 | George- | kergoth: how's stuff |
| 16:33.29 | kergoth | tired |
| 16:33.32 | kergoth | not bad |
| 16:33.35 | kergoth | you? |
| 16:34.28 | Com[Plex | how well does it handle stuff like; |
| 16:34.30 | Com[Plex | 13,6E9,11Y9,8E6,13F11,9U8,11C13,6K9,11E9,8R13,6E9,11Y9,8E6,13F11,9U8,11C13,6K9,11E9,8R13,6E9,11Y9,8E6,13F11,9U8,11C13,6K9,11E9,8R13,6E9,11Y9,8E6,13F11,9U8,11C13,6K9,11E9,8R13,6E9,11Y9,8E6,13F11,9U8,11C13,6K9,11E9,8R13,6E9,11Y9,8E6,13F11,9U8,11C13,6K9,11E9,8R13,6E9,11Y9,8E6,13F11,9U8,11C13,6K9,11E9,8R13,6E9,11Y9,8E6,13F11,9U8,11C13,6K9,11E9,8R13,6E9,11Y9,8E6,13F11,9U8,11C13,6K |
| 16:34.36 | kergoth | AHH |
| 16:34.37 | Com[Plex | OMFG WRONG WINDOW! |
| 16:34.49 | kergoth | my eyes!@ |
| 16:34.58 | levi | Ow. |
| 16:36.02 | warmi | feels like undernet :-) |
| 16:36.09 | treke | Com[Plex: GO TO HELL AND DIE |
| 16:37.11 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 16:37.28 | warmi | tux_mike: got bored of mewyn already ? |
| 16:37.38 | tux_mike | no. different connections |
| 16:37.54 | tux_mike | this is my screened ircII |
| 16:38.01 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:39.08 | warmi | chouimat: yeah , indeed it is morning :-) |
| 16:39.13 | warmi | pretty crappy one though |
| 16:39.17 | devusb | i've got this spot on my screen, I don't know what it is, but I can't get it off... |
| 16:39.40 | tux_mike | yah. i wanted to wash my car |
| 16:39.44 | warmi | devusb: perhaps it is a dead pixel or something |
| 16:39.54 | devusb | warmi: doesn't look that way |
| 16:40.09 | George- | devusb: it's prolly underneath the glass top |
| 16:40.12 | devusb | aha! |
| 16:40.15 | devusb | probably |
| 16:40.18 | warmi | devusb: well, spit on it and wipe it out -- if it is still there it has to be a pixel :-) |
| 16:40.24 | devusb | warmi: tried that |
| 16:40.31 | devusb | George-: so like, is it possible to clean? |
| 16:40.37 | George- | devusb: no |
| 16:40.45 | George- | devusb: I have one on both my Zauri |
| 16:40.59 | devusb | where? |
| 16:41.07 | George- | uhm |
| 16:41.09 | devusb | mine's like, smack dab in the middle of the screen |
| 16:41.11 | George- | near the bottom left |
| 16:41.16 | George- | about 2 cm in |
| 16:42.18 | devusb | well, what if it's something like stuck to the screne? |
| 16:42.42 | devusb | I dunno, you're probably right |
| 16:43.08 | kergoth | probably just dust in the lcd/ts enclosure |
| 16:43.31 | warmi | devusb: is it really that bad ? |
| 16:43.37 | devusb | warmi: yeah, kind of |
| 16:43.46 | devusb | warmi: right in the middle, a big spot |
| 16:43.51 | devusb | well, not _big) |
| 16:43.55 | George- | devusb: is it under warranty? |
| 16:44.00 | warmi | well, I never tried to disasemble my Z |
| 16:44.10 | George- | warmi: don't :) I made that mistake |
| 16:44.14 | warmi | perhaps you could try that and see if you can get inside that glass |
| 16:44.22 | kergoth | warmi: its sealed |
| 16:44.27 | George- | warmi: and you can't take the LCD enclosure apart |
| 16:44.27 | kergoth | its a sealed enclosure with teh lcd and ts |
| 16:44.32 | warmi | kergoth: ok |
| 16:44.34 | devusb | let me grab a pic real quick |
| 16:44.42 | warmi | well, I am not a hardware guy by any means |
| 16:44.54 | warmi | but if that dirts is inside then obviously it wasn't sealed all that well |
| 16:44.56 | warmi | heeh |
| 16:45.04 | kergoth | it was sealed just fine |
| 16:45.06 | kergoth | WITH IT IN THERE |
| 16:45.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:45.10 | George- | yeh |
| 16:45.10 | warmi | heh |
| 16:45.11 | George- | hehe |
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| 16:46.39 | _PsyJob | hehe |
| 16:47.13 | George- | kergoth: incompetance? |
| 16:47.16 | _PsyJob | oooh 11h47 |
| 16:47.19 | _PsyJob | sound like food time |
| 16:47.21 | _PsyJob | ! |
| 16:47.40 | George- | ok, I'm hideously bored |
| 16:48.04 | warmi | George-: do your homework or something .. |
| 16:48.05 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:48.06 | devusb | oh well, as long as it's not something I did |
| 16:49.28 | George- | warmi: bah |
| 16:49.32 | George- | warmi: ME, do WORK? |
| 16:50.05 | warmi | one day you will have to .. might as well try to get used to it |
| 16:50.07 | warmi | heh |
| 16:51.19 | George- | My way is to make the best of it while I don't have to do work :) |
| 16:52.03 | warmi | is being "hideously bored" your way of "making the best of it" ? |
| 16:52.03 | warmi | heeh |
| 16:54.45 | George- | warmi: haha |
| 16:54.52 | George- | warmi: yes |
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| 17:06.26 | gabe | i don't suppose any of you have an opera ipk you made with the operacreator ipk on a sharp rom? |
| 17:11.23 | George- | ARGHHHH |
| 17:11.24 | George- | I JUST DIED |
| 17:11.58 | George- | PING LAG2594950785 :calvino.freenode.net |
| 17:14.41 | chouimat | wooooohooooo George- is dead |
| 17:14.42 | cor | how likely do you guys think it'll be that a browser like phoenix ever get ported to the Z? (or is that even possible without X11?) |
| 17:15.26 | yeiazel | cor: you don't like konqueror/e ? |
| 17:15.48 | cor | yeiazel i do, i run the sharp rom, i can't find a good stable version |
| 17:16.20 | yeiazel | cor: I doubt about phoenix 'cause it would need gecko, which is *HEAVY* |
| 17:19.05 | George- | kergoth: ping |
| 17:21.14 | warmi | cor: I don't think Phoenix will "fit" |
| 17:21.42 | warmi | there is a completely independent GTK based browse which might actually be a better candidate for the Zaurus |
| 17:21.51 | warmi | I forgot its name though :-) |
| 17:21.54 | cor | galeon? |
| 17:22.13 | warmi | no, it is non-gecko based one |
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| 17:22.22 | warmi | they have their own html rendering engine |
| 17:22.28 | George- | warmi: dillo |
| 17:22.50 | warmi | yeah |
| 17:23.01 | warmi | actually it does use Mozilla HTML parser |
| 17:23.18 | warmi | but everything else is written from scratch which makes it very lightweight |
| 17:23.24 | tux_mike | i should get started looking at the duke sources |
| 17:23.27 | warmi | of course, the main problem is that it is GTK based :-) |
| 17:23.37 | warmi | tux_mike: duke has tons of asm |
| 17:23.47 | tux_mike | that's why i'm looking at it |
| 17:23.50 | George- | warmi: it runs on a Psion 5mx running X11 (640x240@4bpp, 36MHz ARMv4l) |
| 17:23.51 | warmi | like 2-3 thousand lines of tight x86 asm code |
| 17:23.54 | tux_mike | to try and get around the asm |
| 17:24.13 | warmi | basically entire rasterizer is written in ASM |
| 17:24.17 | tux_mike | or convert it to arm asm :) |
| 17:24.19 | tux_mike | yipe |
| 17:24.54 | cor | "Current code uses gzilla-0.2.2's html-parser, and almost everything else was rewritten from scratch!" re: dillo |
| 17:25.28 | warmi | yeah |
| 17:25.31 | tux_mike | warmi: i'm also wondering about adding sdl_net support to it |
| 17:25.46 | warmi | you mean for playing over tcp/ip ? |
| 17:25.49 | tux_mike | yah |
| 17:25.51 | kergoth | George-: pong |
| 17:25.54 | tux_mike | get rid of that ipx shit |
| 17:25.55 | warmi | yeah, I guess |
| 17:26.10 | tux_mike | 8 player duke games were the best |
| 17:26.12 | tux_mike | :) |
| 17:26.48 | George- | kergoth: does the PocketOP keyboard work on iPaqs? |
| 17:27.08 | kergoth | dont know. ask in #handhelds.org |
| 17:29.02 | George- | file /opt/gnome/share/control-center/Desktop/screensaver-properties.desktop conflicts between attemped installs of control-center-1.4.0.4-17 and xscreensaver-4.02-1.ximian.4 |
| 17:29.05 | George- | ok, how do I fix that? |
| 17:29.06 | George- | (apt-get) |
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| 17:39.02 | kergoth | TODO updated: http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO |
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| 18:12.25 | darienm | kergoth: OZ 3.2 Very Nice. |
| 18:12.35 | kergoth | thanks |
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| 18:12.38 | darienm | kergoth: Still working out networking hitches |
| 18:12.43 | kergoth | go into launcher settings and enable the Big Busy Indicator |
| 18:12.44 | kergoth | its spiffy |
| 18:12.51 | darienm | kergoth: Then I can get some software loaded |
| 18:13.06 | MacGyver | kergoth are you have c700 ? |
| 18:13.11 | George- | kergoth: oz 3.2 sucks |
| 18:13.12 | kergoth | MacGyver: yes |
| 18:13.15 | George- | ;) |
| 18:13.33 | warmi | MacGyver: yeah , kergoth is the lucky one |
| 18:13.49 | kergoth | i took a few screenshots |
| 18:13.58 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/ |
| 18:14.02 | numatrix | warmi: I dunno if I'd trade him; doing all the work he does and getting a c700? I'd probably rather not... ;-) |
| 18:14.14 | mewyn | son of a... still wont run |
| 18:14.17 | _PsyJob | hey was wondering while building my image last night |
| 18:14.18 | numatrix | Nice. Like the wrapping background. ;-) |
| 18:14.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:14.26 | _PsyJob | the mp3 player work under opie ? |
| 18:14.32 | kergoth | i need to add the ability to disable background scroll and tiling |
| 18:14.33 | MacGyver | is have gui ? |
| 18:14.42 | kergoth | MacGyver: dont flash those initrd.bin adn zimage yet, i'll upload a new one shortly |
| 18:14.46 | kergoth | MacGyver: yes, opie works on it |
| 18:14.59 | kergoth | MacGyver: needs some tender loving care, some layout fixing, and the keyboard map is off |
| 18:15.08 | kergoth | cant type a / with the hardware keyboard right now |
| 18:15.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:15.09 | MacGyver | cool |
| 18:15.13 | MacGyver | i wait you |
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| 18:15.30 | _PsyJob | nobody need type / anyway ! |
| 18:15.40 | George- | bloody hell |
| 18:15.46 | George- | icculus released duke3d for linux |
| 18:15.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:15.50 | George- | FOUR DAYS |
| 18:15.54 | kergoth | _PsyJob: its really annoying trying to use a terminal |
| 18:16.03 | kergoth | _PsyJob: having to keep popping up the onscreen keyboard just to hit / |
| 18:16.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:16.16 | _PsyJob | rofl i know ;) |
| 18:16.40 | George- | kergoth: mmmhmm.. decent screen res... kde... palmtop... |
| 18:16.41 | George- | *faints* |
| 18:17.07 | kergoth | opie needs some big icons |
| 18:17.19 | kergoth | when i have launcher displaying large icons they get scaled and look like shit |
| 18:18.11 | warmi | scaled ? |
| 18:18.21 | warmi | that's pretty stupid .. they should display them as they are |
| 18:18.22 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:18.24 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:18.27 | kergoth | i agree |
| 18:18.29 | kergoth | looks ugly |
| 18:18.42 | kergoth | all in all the opie launcher sucks almost as much as the qtopia one |
| 18:18.55 | George- | Tough luck. Do NOT contact us with bug reports at this time. Do NOT contact us if you can't get it to build. Do NOT contact us for copies of the game. In fact, if you aren't sending us code, don't contact us at all. |
| 18:18.58 | George- | hahahahaha |
| 18:19.08 | mark | kergoth: then get off you're arse and fix it! ;) |
| 18:19.13 | kergoth | bah |
| 18:19.16 | kergoth | have you _seen_ my TODO? |
| 18:19.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:19.26 | kergoth | http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO |
| 18:19.31 | kergoth | and i havent added everything to it yet |
| 18:19.37 | kergoth | bunch of items are still in my ~/TODO |
| 18:19.39 | numatrix | mark: you didn't get swapped out with a certain 'other' mark while no one was looking did you? |
| 18:19.47 | numatrix | ;-) |
| 18:19.54 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:20.46 | mark | kergoth: heh (slacker) |
| 18:20.48 | mark | ;P |
| 18:21.51 | mark | numatrix: :) |
| 18:22.44 | mark | items |
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| 18:28.47 | MacGyver | kergoth are the oz c700 have theme ? |
| 18:28.59 | kergoth | opie has themes |
| 18:29.00 | kergoth | period |
| 18:29.05 | kergoth | regardless of what device its on |
| 18:29.11 | kergoth | ipaq, c700, 5500, whatever |
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| 18:30.38 | MacGyver | can you make the rom have theme ? |
| 18:30.59 | kergoth | it does |
| 18:31.04 | kergoth | the ones i'm testing anyway |
| 18:33.18 | MacGyver | imac theme |
| 18:38.07 | MacGyver | add liquid style to rom ? |
| 18:38.18 | kergoth | liquid is _in_ the rom already |
| 18:38.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:38.26 | George- | woot |
| 18:38.27 | kergoth | i included all available opie styles |
| 18:38.31 | George- | apt-get is happily chugging away now |
| 18:38.34 | George- | wooooohoooooo |
| 18:38.44 | George- | kergoth: and no, I'm not using Debian ;) |
| 18:39.02 | MacGyver | haha |
| 18:39.04 | MacGyver | sorry |
| 18:39.14 | George- | simply cause Debian sucks |
| 18:39.36 | MacGyver | kergoth are you want the tkc ipk ? |
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| 18:41.09 | George- | http://hydra.globalse.org/ |
| 18:41.12 | George- | wow, that's soo cool |
| 18:43.49 | MacGyver | this is ? |
| 18:45.07 | yeiazel | wow |
| 18:45.15 | yeiazel | live-cvs-like ? |
| 18:45.28 | yeiazel | great :) |
| 18:45.41 | MacGyver | are the oz have word and excel ? |
| 18:45.53 | treke | no |
| 18:46.13 | treke | you can copy hancom word and hancom spreadsheet off your sharp rom |
| 18:46.16 | yeiazel | MacGyver: s/are/do/ and remove this "the" :) |
| 18:46.35 | MacGyver | ha |
| 18:46.37 | MacGyver | sorry |
| 18:46.43 | MacGyver | i am taiwnese |
| 18:46.51 | MacGyver | my english is not good |
| 18:46.56 | George- | MacGyver: hey, that's no excuse |
| 18:47.02 | George- | MacGyver: I'm half taiwanese =P |
| 18:47.08 | yeiazel | MacGyver: I'm french |
| 18:47.36 | treke | George-: your a moron |
| 18:47.48 | George- | treke: no need to state the obvious |
| 18:47.58 | George- | s/your/you're/ |
| 18:48.08 | George- | except that one :) |
| 18:48.36 | treke | s/George-// |
| 18:48.51 | kergoth | MacGyver: i'll make creator packges to get hancom and netfront from your sharp rom |
| 18:49.06 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.07 | George- | o retrieve it. You must see this boxen safely delivered to the free people running free software. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, ObiWan Kenobi, you're my only hope. |
| 18:49.09 | George- | hehe |
| 18:50.43 | George- | haha... my mum and my brother are having a loud chinese argument down the phone :) |
| 18:52.10 | warmi | George-: do you speak Chinese yourself ? |
| 18:53.26 | ljp | george is really a 75 year old granny |
| 18:53.40 | George- | warmi: no |
| 18:53.51 | George- | warmi: I understand mandarin fluently |
| 18:54.14 | ljp | chouimat: could you dcc that this way, please? |
| 18:54.17 | warmi | so you can fluently understand but cannot say a word ? |
| 18:54.23 | George- | warmi: just about |
| 18:54.32 | chouimat | ljp: hehe |
| 18:54.57 | George- | warmi: if you say it's impossible, then think again :) |
| 18:55.17 | warmi | George-: I am not saying it is not impossible .. but it is certainly strange |
| 18:55.24 | George- | warmi: not really |
| 18:55.31 | George- | warmi: Chinese is a tonal language |
| 18:55.40 | George- | warmi: I can't make the tones |
| 18:55.54 | George- | chouimat: you like dogs + car battery |
| 18:55.57 | George- | chouimat: iirc |
| 18:56.08 | ljp | a lot of native american langauges are also tonal in nature |
| 18:56.42 | chouimat | George-: when you will finaly get a sex life all the other in this channel will be dead so shaddap |
| 18:57.03 | George- | chouimat: I'd rather have no sex life than a fetish with car batteries and dogs |
| 18:57.35 | ljp | cats |
| 18:57.59 | chouimat | George-: that was a joke here ... but it will take to long to explain it to you |
| 18:58.05 | George- | ljp: chouimat admitted on #KDE all these weird and wonderfully disgusting facts ;) |
| 18:58.07 | ljp | doesn fetish and sex life go together? |
| 18:58.31 | chouimat | ljp: don't listen to him .... |
| 18:58.38 | ljp | I have a big, jiggly boob fetish |
| 18:58.49 | George- | rofl |
| 18:59.08 | chouimat | ljp: not me I have small hands and I don't like to waste things .... |
| 19:00.11 | ljp | ya, there's too much free software... |
| 19:03.17 | chouimat | http://www.bytesngrins.com/comptheme/pages/panicany1.html |
| 19:04.11 | ljp | hahahahah that good! |
| 19:05.12 | chouimat | ljp: I will order some anykeys :) |
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| 19:19.22 | George- | is KitchenSync in KDE 3.1.1? |
| 19:20.00 | chouimat|busy | George-: it's not in head by default |
| 19:24.13 | toolafial | should be |
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| 19:30.03 | phoen][x | :) |
| 19:30.47 | phoen][x | i should really get spamassassin going one of these days |
| 19:30.57 | phoen][x | they say that its the shit |
| 19:32.00 | George- | kergoth: hrmm, spamassasin hasn't assasinated you yet? |
| 19:32.14 | fishy | it was a learning spam-filter |
| 19:32.18 | phoen][x | seems so, George- |
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| 19:40.02 | jwiz | the latest spamassassin has bayesian filtering |
| 19:40.15 | MacGyver | kergoth http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=hhttp://www.t12.jp/~ryuta/misclab/zaurus/compiler.html |
| 19:42.07 | kergoth | MacGyver: i build a toolchain for my use, gneerally |
| 20:06.32 | Com[Plex | have you guys seen this? |
| 20:06.33 | Com[Plex | http://www.man-machine.com/FX100.htm |
| 20:06.41 | Com[Plex | keyboard for zaurus, with cord. |
| 20:07.05 | yeiazel | which Zaurus ? |
| 20:07.06 | phoen][x | is www.emacs.org fun? |
| 20:07.09 | yeiazel | maybe pre-SL |
| 20:07.25 | phoen][x | looks kinda haxored, heh |
| 20:07.32 | Com[Plex | for the 500d, 5500 |
| 20:07.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:07.44 | yeiazel | phoen][x: heh :) |
| 20:07.44 | kergoth | just get a pockettop irda keyboard or something |
| 20:07.46 | Com[Plex | anyone seen spencer? |
| 20:07.48 | kergoth | works fine with the Z |
| 20:07.57 | phoen][x | yeiazel: yep :) |
| 20:08.31 | George- | I just got kicked from a mac tech support chan |
| 20:08.36 | George- | I started a massive flamewar ;) |
| 20:08.41 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 20:08.46 | phoen][x | George-: still having problems with your pbook? |
| 20:08.55 | George- | phoen][x: it's in repair at the mo' |
| 20:09.06 | phoen][x | heh |
| 20:09.12 | Com[Plex | "happy hacking cradle" http://store.yahoo.com/man-machine-store/orhaphaccrad.html |
| 20:09.20 | George- | --- You have been kicked from #macnn by ChanServ (take a break, someone's asking a serious question. (vmarks)) |
| 20:10.33 | phoen][x | George-: that means that you have to "/query vmarks" |
| 20:21.04 | George- | phoen][x: he only kicked me, no bans :) |
| 20:21.38 | phoen][x | George-: :( |
| 20:22.23 | George- | phoen][x: why :(? |
| 20:22.35 | George- | you wanted him to ban me? =P |
| 20:22.44 | George- | I was having a massive fight in there ;) |
| 20:23.02 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 20:23.38 | George- | hey ho kergoth |
| 20:23.50 | kergoth | too much shit to do |
| 20:24.04 | George- | kergoth: constepation? |
| 20:24.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:28.46 | George- | ok, how sad and demented can some IRC chans be |
| 20:29.16 | George- | I used to join a crappy kiddy chat on another irc net to flame until they kick/banned me permanently ;) |
| 20:29.30 | George- | <Yagadoo> Yagadoo! |
| 20:29.35 | George- | I mean, wtf |
| 20:30.27 | George- | kergoth: ahhhh, yes... |
| 20:30.40 | George- | kergoth: btw - why *do* you work in tech support? I mean, you're a total asshole! |
| 20:30.56 | kergoth | cause it was better than sales and warehouse work i was going previously :) |
| 20:31.10 | George- | why not coding? |
| 20:31.22 | kergoth | because i didnt have any real work experience doing it |
| 20:31.25 | kergoth | and i have no degree |
| 20:31.31 | George- | kergoth: you have OZ |
| 20:31.37 | kergoth | now i do. then i didnt. |
| 20:31.38 | *** part/#zaurus masticator (~masticato@ool-43512bbd.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:31.46 | kergoth | and now the market sucks |
| 20:31.53 | George- | kergoth: you think so? |
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| 20:32.25 | *** mode/#zaurus [+b *!*@michael.mspencer.net] by JasonNJ |
| 20:32.27 | *** kick/#zaurus [mspencer!~masticato@ool-43512bbd.dyn.optonline.net] by JasonNJ (JasonNJ) |
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| 20:32.42 | Suko|C700 | hi |
| 20:32.45 | phoen][x | huh? |
| 20:33.00 | George- | who the hell is mspencer? |
| 20:33.01 | chouimat|bored | JasonNJ: huh? |
| 20:33.19 | phoen][x | JasonNJ: on-join? |
| 20:34.12 | chouimat|bored | phoen][x: probaly a random kick |
| 20:34.44 | phoen][x | chouimat|bored: hehe |
| 20:34.50 | Suko|C700 | i really enjoy my C700 |
| 20:34.55 | Suko|C700 | :) |
| 20:35.03 | *** part/#zaurus JasonNJ (~masticato@ool-43512bbd.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:35.06 | phoen][x | stop that, suko |
| 20:35.15 | George- | ok, I'm confused |
| 20:35.15 | Suko|C700 | sorry... |
| 20:35.24 | George- | Jason walks in, kick bans mspencer, then LEAVES??!?! |
| 20:35.31 | chouimat|bored | George-: you're not alone |
| 20:35.34 | kergoth | Suko|C700: http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/sc_19.07.35_Wed_31_Dec_1969.png <-opie on c700 |
| 20:35.35 | phoen][x | George-: now thats fun |
| 20:35.45 | Suko|C700 | but it is like christmas...i am so excited with this new toy. |
| 20:35.51 | George- | I want a C700 |
| 20:36.05 | phoen][x | Suko|C700: stop talking about it - didnt you know that they arent out in germany yet? :) |
| 20:36.06 | treke | George-: A job is a good place to start |
| 20:36.08 | George- | kergoth: how much RAM does the C700 have? |
| 20:36.12 | kergoth | 32mb |
| 20:36.15 | Suko|C700 | kergoth: let s open netfront... |
| 20:36.24 | kergoth | Suko|C700: you want netfrontcreator ipk? |
| 20:36.25 | George- | kergoth: bit small, eh? |
| 20:36.26 | kergoth | Suko|C700: :) |
| 20:36.34 | George- | netfront? |
| 20:36.35 | phoen][x | kergoth: that leaves MUCH space for additional tray-icons, hehehe |
| 20:36.44 | kergoth | phoen][x: yes, the taskbar is usable |
| 20:36.46 | treke | yeah no more running out of room :) |
| 20:36.54 | phoen][x | kergoth: idd, it is |
| 20:37.13 | treke | only takes a 640x480 screen to make the qtopia interface usable :) |
| 20:37.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:37.18 | phoen][x | kergoth: did you try to play videos (divx,...) with it? |
| 20:37.25 | kergoth | phoen][x: havent bothered, yet |
| 20:37.30 | Suko|C700 | kergoth : i wanna beta test it!! |
| 20:37.35 | George- | c700 == ultimate kde workstation :) |
| 20:37.39 | kergoth | Suko|C700: i'll throw up some new images soon for testing |
| 20:37.45 | kergoth | George-: s/kde/matchbox/ |
| 20:37.53 | phoen][x | kergoth: kk. when you done it, you know who might be interested in it :) |
| 20:38.09 | George- | kergoth: s/s/kde/matchbox//s/kde/kde3// |
| 20:38.15 | Suko|C700 | kergoth: do you have wifi? |
| 20:38.20 | kergoth | George-: thats invalid sed syntax |
| 20:38.24 | kergoth | George-: you have to escape the /'s |
| 20:38.28 | kergoth | Suko|C700: yeah |
| 20:38.32 | George- | kergoth: hrmmph |
| 20:38.43 | George- | kergoth: s/s\/kde\/matchbox\//s\/kde\/kde3\// |
| 20:38.53 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:39.00 | George- | happy? |
| 20:39.03 | Suko|C700 | kergoth: what card? |
| 20:39.26 | kergoth | Suko|C700: smc 2642w adn dlink 650W |
| 20:39.33 | kergoth | smc is just a friend of mines, borrowing it |
| 20:39.37 | kergoth | i just own the dlink |
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| 20:39.44 | George- | kergoth has a friend??!?!? |
| 20:40.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:40.07 | Suko|C700 | kergoth: Buffalo |
| 20:40.10 | kergoth | was that supposed to be funny or something? |
| 20:40.21 | phoen][x | Suko|C700: same card here. works? |
| 20:40.21 | George- | kergoth: do you see me laughing? |
| 20:40.43 | kergoth | nope, just acting the fool as always |
| 20:40.48 | krezel | maybe if we were all nice to kergoth, he'd be a happier person |
| 20:40.57 | George- | krezel: doubt it |
| 20:41.01 | kergoth | or i'd use your niceness against you |
| 20:41.05 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:41.10 | krezel | kergoth: Will you be my friend? |
| 20:41.20 | George- | just cause I've seen kergoth's picture and he looks like an idiot ;) |
| 20:41.24 | kergoth | bah |
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| 20:41.42 | treke | George-: he may look like one |
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| 20:41.47 | treke | George-: but you *are* one |
| 20:41.57 | George- | treke: how did I know you were going to say that? :) |
| 20:41.59 | phoen][x | stop that pointless stuff please |
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| 20:42.11 | kergoth | phoen][x: what, you expect this chan to be on topic? |
| 20:42.13 | kergoth | phoen][x: pfft |
| 20:42.26 | phoen][x | George-: i know how you got kicked from that apple techsupport chan, heh |
| 20:42.29 | phoen][x | kergoth: :) |
| 20:42.37 | George- | phoen][x: no, I did far worse ;) |
| 20:42.58 | George- | phoen][x: I started flooding the chan with a massive fight ;) |
| 20:43.07 | George- | ie - I started a fight |
| 20:43.24 | phoen][x | ~sigh~ and you are proud of that? |
| 20:43.26 | | okay, phoen][x |
| 20:43.39 | George- | phoen][x: who wouldn't be? =P |
| 20:43.44 | darienm | Hrm. George- is almost as famous as MarkNovak now on the apple channel, huh? |
| 20:43.49 | phoen][x | lol |
| 20:43.53 | George- | darienm: nah |
| 20:44.19 | George- | darienm: I was only pissing about in the apple chan, like "George- lobs a RS/6000 at D`Espice" etc |
| 20:44.31 | George- | darienm: then "D`Espice kicks the RS/6000 back" etc |
| 20:44.34 | darienm | I feel like such a noob though. I cant get networking to work from my Z thru USB thru Win Xp to the net. (OZ 3.2) |
| 20:44.54 | George- | darienm: whereas MarkNovak was just an asshole |
| 20:44.58 | kergoth | darienm: set the gateway properly in networksettings? |
| 20:45.05 | George- | like our dear kergoth |
| 20:45.07 | kergoth | darienm: and can you ping the z/desktop from the other end? |
| 20:45.07 | darienm | I dunno.... OZ 3.2 is brand new to me. |
| 20:45.15 | darienm | I can ssh INTO the z. |
| 20:45.19 | kergoth | darienm: Settings->Networksettings->usbd->configure |
| 20:45.19 | darienm | I cant get from the Z out. |
| 20:45.26 | kergoth | darienm: set the gateway to 192.168.129.1 |
| 20:45.50 | George- | kergoth: iirc, Internet Connection Sharing (if that's what he's using) has to run on the 192.168.0.x subnet |
| 20:46.00 | George- | kergoth: nfc why |
| 20:46.36 | kergoth | bleh, windows sucks |
| 20:46.55 | George- | kergoth: erm.. I thought we all decided that was the case ages ago ;) |
| 20:49.00 | George- | the music for sfcave-sdl is quite cool |
| 20:49.14 | treke | someone add sfcave-sdl into buildroot :) |
| 20:49.38 | warmi | is this a mod ? |
| 20:49.47 | George- | warmi: hrmm? |
| 20:50.18 | George- | brb |
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| 20:59.13 | George- | woot |
| 21:01.09 | George- | brb |
| 21:03.57 | toolafial | What is the best software to use to sync with OZ? |
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| 21:10.36 | masticator | tool: NOT qtopia 1.6 |
| 21:11.01 | treke | proably kitchensync |
| 21:12.07 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@212.126.151.225) |
| 21:12.08 | George- | mmm |
| 21:12.10 | George- | nice kernel |
| 21:12.11 | George- | ;) |
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| 21:13.52 | darienm | George- http://zaurus.kruss.com/mac_crash.jpg |
| 21:13.58 | darienm | George- Ever seen anything like THAT before ?! |
| 21:14.26 | levi | I have. |
| 21:14.35 | darienm | On Mac OS X? |
| 21:14.38 | levi | Yup. |
| 21:14.52 | George- | darienm: hang on |
| 21:14.57 | levi | I can't remember what version I was running at the time. |
| 21:15.04 | George- | darienm: yes |
| 21:15.04 | levi | It may have been a prerelease. |
| 21:15.10 | darienm | This is Jaguar |
| 21:15.13 | darienm | newest updates, etc. |
| 21:15.37 | George- | darienm: it's called a really nifty kernel panic ;) |
| 21:15.49 | darienm | apparently its super-spiffy |
| 21:15.55 | George- | "Corrupt Stack" |
| 21:15.57 | George- | haha |
| 21:16.26 | darienm | This machine only boots if the SHIFT key is held during startup. |
| 21:16.28 | darienm | Otherwise it just hangs |
| 21:16.40 | darienm | Got me completely kerbunkered |
| 21:17.06 | George- | darienm: it's the mac's way of saying "I don't like non-Apple monitors!!" :) |
| 21:17.25 | darienm | Heh, you know -- I think it is related to video card. |
| 21:17.28 | kergoth | i love linux kernel panics |
| 21:17.35 | kergoth | i mean where else do you see your computer go aiiieeeee |
| 21:17.35 | darienm | I have -not- tried a diff monitor. |
| 21:18.05 | darienm | I've swapped ram, hard drives, everything. |
| 21:18.25 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: in OS class I add tha tpanic message to my own os: Sorry not tonight I have a headache |
| 21:18.33 | kergoth | chouimat|bored: hehe |
| 21:18.47 | kergoth | hm, i'm surprised at how active binutils is developed |
| 21:18.54 | kergoth | subscribed to the binujtils cvs ml |
| 21:19.14 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: I have enough with ggcc and gcc-patches |
| 21:19.25 | kergoth | i'm not on those yet |
| 21:19.56 | George- | kergoth: I like the linux source code |
| 21:20.02 | George- | "Fuck me lightly with a chainsaw" :) |
| 21:20.38 | chouimat|bored | George-: and you called me a pervert for the dog and battery thingg .... you sick bastard |
| 21:21.02 | George- | chouimat|bored: haha |
| 21:21.22 | chouimat|bored | George-: go play with your chainsaw ;) |
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| 21:21.41 | kergoth | kendrick: hey |
| 21:22.21 | George- | chouimat|bored: you are seriously weird |
| 21:22.25 | chouimat|bored | man I love Quebec ... if I buy a house I have a welcome taxes to pay ... |
| 21:22.30 | kendrick | re |
| 21:22.52 | kendrick | hahahah |
| 21:23.23 | George- | kergoth: does usbnet work with 2.4.20 out of the box? |
| 21:23.31 | chouimat|bored | George-: .21 |
| 21:25.17 | George- | evil |
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| 21:26.32 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 21:29.12 | phoen][x | wb kergoth |
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| 21:29.41 | phoen][x | wb kergoth again :) |
| 21:30.34 | warmi | that's not kergoth |
| 21:30.35 | warmi | heh |
| 21:31.00 | chouimat|bored | kergoth_: connection problem? |
| 21:31.13 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:31.17 | warmi | that's tux pretending to be kergoth |
| 21:31.18 | warmi | heh |
| 21:31.18 | kergoth | the box i was irc'ing from lost connectivity |
| 21:31.29 | phoen][x | warmi: there is no spoon |
| 21:31.36 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:32.26 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 21:33.54 | warmi | well, whatever .. I am too hungy to think streight |
| 21:34.05 | warmi | hungry even |
| 21:34.18 | kergoth | warmi: this is tux_mike's box |
| 21:34.26 | kergoth | so you werent far off |
| 21:34.53 | warmi | ah ok .. you are telneting to his box and ircing from there ? |
| 21:35.07 | treke | if he is I'll have to ~lart him |
| 21:35.13 | George- | telnet!??! |
| 21:35.17 | George- | evil EVIL ***EVIL*** |
| 21:35.29 | chouimat|bored | after hungy hungy homer -> hungy hungy warmi |
| 21:35.49 | warmi | well, I mean that in a generic sense .. could be secure shell or whatever |
| 21:35.51 | kergoth | s/telnet/ssh/ |
| 21:35.52 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:36.10 | warmi | kergoth: what happened to your machine .. your IP got banned from freenode ? |
| 21:36.11 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:36.28 | warmi | on freenode .. that is |
| 21:36.55 | kergoth | nah, just my machine goes down all the damn time |
| 21:37.04 | kergoth | so i keep a screen here |
| 21:37.04 | toolafial | kergoth: windows? |
| 21:37.17 | kergoth | naw, linux, but I use usb-storage |
| 21:37.22 | kergoth | which likes to panic |
| 21:37.24 | toolafial | ah okay |
| 21:37.29 | warmi | toolafial: windows never crashes |
| 21:37.30 | George- | kergoth: usb-storage panics? |
| 21:37.34 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:37.38 | George- | dang |
| 21:37.39 | toolafial | warmi: ok |
| 21:37.45 | George- | that'd explain a lot of my panics |
| 21:37.58 | toolafial | I've seen usb-storage go south a ton of times |
| 21:38.01 | warmi | hehe ... I am serious , it doesn't crash for me :-) |
| 21:38.07 | toolafial | it sucks when I'm in the middle of burning a CD |
| 21:38.12 | George- | warmi: how dare you |
| 21:38.15 | kergoth | toolafial: i hate the umount hang |
| 21:38.19 | kergoth | umount goes uninterruptable |
| 21:38.25 | George- | warmi: I'm afraid you have lost your place in this channel, get out |
| 21:38.26 | kergoth | cant even reboot properly |
| 21:38.28 | kergoth | have to sysrq it |
| 21:38.33 | warmi | George-: no , your "panics" are of completely different origin .. and we won't go into that now :-) |
| 21:38.37 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:38.46 | George- | kergoth: ahh, you get the umount prob too? |
| 21:38.51 | toolafial | Unfortunatly I have to use Windows for work |
| 21:38.52 | George- | kergoth: where you can't FUCKING kill it |
| 21:38.53 | kergoth | yes, thats a usb-storage problem |
| 21:39.01 | toolafial | and I find WinXP more bearable than any other versions |
| 21:39.04 | George- | kergoth: and the machine won't even halt |
| 21:39.11 | George- | kergoth: and your system gets fubar |
| 21:39.19 | kergoth | thats why you enable the kernel sysrq key |
| 21:39.24 | kergoth | which lets yo usync your filesystems and reboot |
| 21:39.31 | warmi | toolafial: actually, I think Windows 2000 is the best but yeah, XP is basically newer 2000 |
| 21:39.45 | George- | warmi: get out |
| 21:39.50 | warmi | with time XP wil acquire the same reliabity as Win 2000 |
| 21:39.55 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:39.58 | George- | warmi: you have been minionised by microsoft |
| 21:40.04 | treke | init had gotten fubard and I couldnt shut the machine down :) |
| 21:40.08 | toolafial | I wish Adobe would have finished their port of Frame to Linux |
| 21:40.12 | warmi | George-: I work for Microsoft |
| 21:40.16 | warmi | j/k |
| 21:40.20 | George- | warmi: GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:40.30 | George- | YOU EVIL DISGUSTING MINION |
| 21:40.34 | George- | DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:40.47 | warmi | good thing I don't know what MINION means |
| 21:40.48 | toolafial | whoa there partner |
| 21:40.48 | warmi | heeh |
| 21:41.04 | toolafial | I thought using Linux was all about Zen and stuff |
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| 21:41.08 | warmi | oh " follower" |
| 21:41.10 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (chill) |
| 21:41.10 | warmi | hehe |
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| 21:41.22 | warmi | George is kidding .. |
| 21:41.24 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:41.29 | George- | kergoth: what?!?! You support that bastard and his bastardized company TOO?!!? |
| 21:41.35 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (whee) |
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| 21:41.41 | George- | OMFG!!!! |
| 21:41.42 | phoen][x | lets all install windowsXP |
| 21:41.43 | treke | someone add some sedatives to George-'s tea |
| 21:42.00 | phoen][x | i heard its so much better as linux |
| 21:42.05 | phoen][x | heh |
| 21:42.27 | phoen][x | noiddd: as is "there's always a bigger fish"? :) |
| 21:42.41 | phoen][x | toolafial: Jackie Brown or Reservoir Dogs? |
| 21:42.57 | noiddd | phoen][x: indeed. Never penis-size on the Internet - there is always someone bigger than you |
| 21:43.03 | toolafial | their not in theaters and my big screen TV is broken |
| 21:43.09 | phoen][x | noiddd: :D |
| 21:43.11 | toolafial | oops wrong they're |
| 21:43.14 | phoen][x | noiddd: CheerUp.mp3? |
| 21:43.21 | noiddd | exactly :-D |
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| 21:43.56 | warmi | George: so how is your apple notebook doing ? |
| 21:45.09 | warmi | noiddd: how large will it be ? |
| 21:45.54 | toolafial | ugh all the movies suck |
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| 21:46.16 | noiddd | warmi: not huge |
| 21:46.24 | toolafial | maybe I'll just go play bingo instead |
| 21:46.41 | warmi | hehe .. any movie would be better than that :-0 |
| 21:46.47 | noiddd | warmi: binary is 950k, i'll re-build with a libperl.so I think for obvious memory savings |
| 21:47.05 | warmi | toolafial: check out the pianist |
| 21:47.13 | warmi | noiddd: not bad |
| 21:47.19 | kergoth | i think i'll do.. not a damn thing |
| 21:47.21 | kergoth | cause i'm broke |
| 21:47.22 | noiddd | warmi: getting each bit working in turn, microperl, miniperl, perl static, perl dyna, perl w/libperlso dyna |
| 21:47.31 | treke | kergoth: good plan |
| 21:47.32 | warmi | but it is a very basic build of perl without lot of fancy stuff ? |
| 21:47.39 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:47.48 | kergoth | warmi: the modules will get split out. high granularity is good |
| 21:47.53 | noiddd | warmi after that it should be down to 20 odd k an 900 in shared libs |
| 21:48.08 | warmi | yeah, makes sense |
| 21:48.16 | toolafial | bingo is so much fun though |
| 21:48.26 | kergoth | i cant stand bingo |
| 21:48.41 | treke | but you have to admit, those old ladies are hot |
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| 21:48.50 | noiddd | if you want minimum perl, make -f makefile.micro GCC=arm-linux-gcc works without any patches :-) |
| 21:48.51 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:49.11 | noiddd | but thats no modules, no dynamic loading, no POSIX io and other nasties |
| 21:49.23 | noiddd | microperl == crippleperl |
| 21:49.25 | toolafial | when I start my custom rascal business I'll need some clients |
| 21:49.44 | noiddd | but it is 100% ansi C - no configure, nothing |
| 21:49.58 | warmi | noiddd: so what is the story with qte bindings for perl ? |
| 21:50.02 | kergoth | i dislike autoconf. but i dislike perl's buildsystem more |
| 21:50.08 | warmi | I know you were playing with that |
| 21:50.27 | noiddd | warmi: The qte-2 stuiff is completely fucked. |
| 21:50.32 | noiddd | qt3 may be useable |
| 21:50.46 | kergoth | er? |
| 21:50.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:50.51 | kergoth | echo |
| 21:51.08 | noiddd | yeah - that was meant to be a remake in the other window |
| 21:51.50 | warmi | noiddd: qt2 fucked ? |
| 21:51.52 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:51.57 | noiddd | yes - completely |
| 21:52.04 | noiddd | qt3 was a complete re-write |
| 21:52.14 | noiddd | qt2 is REALLY old and unmaintained |
| 21:52.16 | warmi | well, you mean perl bindings for qt2 are fucked , right ? |
| 21:52.24 | noiddd | qt3 was released the day after I was going to do a talk on it |
| 21:52.28 | noiddd | I was SO pissed off |
| 21:52.34 | warmi | well, it is not all that old - it does work |
| 21:52.42 | noiddd | yes, the perl bindings to qt2 are fucked and unmaintained |
| 21:53.06 | noiddd | perl bindings to qt3 were released etc |
| 21:53.44 | warmi | yeah, but that's kind of useless for the Zaurus |
| 21:53.47 | noiddd | I bet I can get gtk.pm to compile now tho :-P |
| 21:53.48 | warmi | heh |
| 21:53.55 | George- | qt2 isn't that bad |
| 21:53.57 | kergoth | we need gtk2 added to buildroot |
| 21:53.59 | noiddd | not that that will help, hehe |
| 21:54.02 | George- | qt3 is sheer bloat as it stands |
| 21:54.05 | kergoth | for the gpe2 packages |
| 21:54.08 | George- | it's *HUGE* |
| 21:54.17 | George- | It takes hours upon hours to compile |
| 21:54.18 | kergoth | qt3 rocks though |
| 21:54.23 | George- | kergoth: I know :) |
| 21:54.33 | noiddd | one mans bloat is another mans toolkit :-0 |
| 21:55.25 | noiddd | I've re-discovered my hatred of Makefiles during this entire process :-) |
| 21:55.49 | kergoth | noiddd: i rediscover my hatred of gnu make every time i touch buildroot |
| 21:56.09 | kergoth | particularly when i have to work around its numerous lacking bits |
| 21:56.18 | noiddd | I can believe it |
| 21:56.52 | mutexer | warmi: you here? |
| 21:56.59 | warmi | George: qt can be configured to include/exclude stuff |
| 21:57.01 | warmi | mutexer: yeah |
| 21:57.08 | treke | it needs a fricken elseif |
| 21:57.14 | kergoth | treke: yes! |
| 21:57.15 | mutexer | warmi: what did you use for an installer on PocketPC? |
| 21:57.15 | treke | how difficult is that |
| 21:57.18 | mewyn | god damn. a little rain and everone forgets how to drive |
| 21:57.19 | George- | warmi: it's still fucking huge |
| 21:57.32 | kergoth | if .. else .. if .. else .. if ... els.. endif .. endif .. endif gets fucking annoying fast |
| 21:57.40 | phoen][x | switch() |
| 21:57.48 | phoen][x | case() |
| 21:57.54 | mewyn | for() |
| 21:58.05 | warmi | mutexer: ah ... there is a free installer application - basically you create a cab file ( which is a pain in the ass itself ) and then feed that to that app and it will create exe for you |
| 21:58.19 | phoen][x | kergoth: or use python and hashes :) |
| 21:58.22 | warmi | I don't remember the name of that app though .. I will let you know when I get home |
| 21:58.26 | kergoth | phoen][x: i'm talking about gnu make's limitations |
| 21:58.33 | mutexer | warmi: cool, thanks |
| 21:58.38 | phoen][x | oh |
| 21:58.46 | phoen][x | one should read before one writes |
| 21:58.51 | kergoth | phoen][x: it has no elsif or case |
| 21:58.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:59.16 | phoen][x | yeah, Makefiles are kinda odd. |
| 22:00.04 | phoen][x | what about getting xdirectfb to work on top of the zaurus? |
| 22:00.12 | noiddd | erk, bk status didn't do what I think it did |
| 22:00.21 | warmi | mutexer: are you already working on PPC version ? |
| 22:00.39 | kergoth | noiddd: what info do you need? |
| 22:00.53 | kergoth | noiddd: bk -r diffs shows un checked in changes, bk pending shows changes not yet in a changeset |
| 22:00.55 | noiddd | kergoth: I did one commit halfway through - not realising that created a changeset |
| 22:01.04 | kergoth | noiddd: bk changes shows changeset history |
| 22:01.08 | noiddd | kergoth: I now have lots of files checked in, but not committed |
| 22:01.24 | mutexer | warmi: not yet.. just planning ahead.. Ill probably start on it in a few days though |
| 22:01.28 | kergoth | noiddd: bk pending |
| 22:01.32 | noiddd | kergoth: so when i'm done and do my bk commit - it will create a second changeset? or merge my one? |
| 22:01.36 | noiddd | ahhh |
| 22:01.38 | noiddd | checking |
| 22:01.41 | kergoth | it creates a new changeset |
| 22:01.52 | kergoth | and you'll end up wanting to push more than one to me with bk send |
| 22:02.04 | noiddd | kergoth: that is exactly what I needed - thank you :-) |
| 22:02.21 | kergoth | noiddd: np |
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| 22:02.28 | mewyn | argh! i fuckin hate tcf bank |
| 22:02.43 | warmi | their ATMs are out every other day ? |
| 22:03.00 | warmi | that is my main complain with TCF |
| 22:03.32 | mewyn | no, my purchases from yesterday and the day before aren't on the web site, and all the fucking dates are messed up |
| 22:04.16 | warmi | ah that |
| 22:04.24 | warmi | well, they are one of these "cheap" banks |
| 22:04.28 | mewyn | yah |
| 22:04.45 | mewyn | i wanna dump them as soon as i can get a real job.... hint hint :) |
| 22:04.58 | warmi | I have a real job and I am still with them |
| 22:04.59 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:05.14 | warmi | I don't know why though |
| 22:05.35 | mewyn | i'm most likely switching to bank of america or 5/3 bank |
| 22:06.00 | noiddd | <-- Bank of America bunny. So far i'm exceptionally happy with them |
| 22:06.13 | warmi | well, I use TCF because they are right next my house ::-) |
| 22:06.32 | noiddd | they were the only bank that would open me an account with an "invalid SSN" |
| 22:06.42 | toolafial | Washinton mutual has been good to me |
| 22:06.44 | warmi | noiddd: hehehe |
| 22:06.52 | warmi | why invalid SSN ? |
| 22:06.59 | noiddd | warmi: only had it a month |
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| 22:07.07 | noiddd | <-- Newbie merkin |
| 22:07.30 | devusb | my zaurus is frozen, mail/battery lights on, toggle switch on the back has no effect |
| 22:07.35 | devusb | screen is fscked up |
| 22:07.43 | fishy | Oo |
| 22:07.47 | devusb | help! |
| 22:07.52 | toolafial | :? |
| 22:07.52 | fishy | take out the batt |
| 22:07.56 | toolafial | :/ |
| 22:07.57 | fishy | and leave it out :P |
| 22:08.02 | fishy | for a while |
| 22:08.02 | warmi | we can offer you our depest sympathy |
| 22:08.03 | devusb | fishy: then I lose data in RAm... |
| 22:08.04 | warmi | :-) |
| 22:08.12 | fishy | :/ |
| 22:08.15 | fishy | and? |
| 22:08.15 | fishy | :P |
| 22:09.27 | devusb | oh wait! |
| 22:09.30 | devusb | I didn't lose everything |
| 22:09.32 | devusb | :))) |
| 22:09.51 | noiddd | devusb: just your data and your wife |
| 22:09.54 | devusb | heh |
| 22:09.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:10.00 | kergoth | full reset doesnt do anything in oz |
| 22:10.02 | kergoth | at all |
| 22:10.05 | devusb | kergoth: yeah, I just learned that |
| 22:10.06 | kergoth | other than maybe resetting the clock |
| 22:10.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:10.12 | devusb | nope, still got my data, and waaaaaaay underage for wife :P |
| 22:10.22 | devusb | well, maybe not waaaaaaaay |
| 22:10.24 | noiddd | Ok, everything compiles - do I want to tempt fate by enabling libperl.so :-P |
| 22:10.24 | devusb | ;) |
| 22:10.28 | mewyn | god damnit |
| 22:10.34 | mewyn | i don't want to have to go to the bank |
| 22:10.36 | kergoth | noiddd: if it were monday, no |
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| 22:10.40 | kergoth | noiddd: but its friday, so go ahead |
| 22:10.44 | noiddd | cool :-) |
| 22:12.09 | noiddd | it reduces perls memory usage by an order of magnitude. not exaggerating |
| 22:14.36 | warmi | only if you are running 2 perl apps at the same time |
| 22:14.37 | warmi | heh |
| 22:14.46 | noiddd | which I do |
| 22:14.53 | warmi | yeah, then it makes sense |
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| 22:17.08 | George- | OK, I've fallen in love with apt-rpm |
| 22:17.17 | George- | it's sooooo slick |
| 22:18.07 | noiddd | kergoth: can you tell me which version of perl you're running on your build machine please (perl -v) |
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| 22:18.32 | yeiazel | bash: perl: command not found |
| 22:18.34 | yeiazel | :p |
| 22:18.45 | kergoth | noiddd: heh |
| 22:18.48 | kergoth | i'm on debian unstable |
| 22:18.52 | kergoth | perl 5.8.0 |
| 22:19.04 | noiddd | kergoth: excellent. Thats the best one |
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| 22:19.12 | splyit | heloo :=) |
| 22:19.18 | bheading | has anyone heard any news about the release of the v3 ROM for the 5500 ? |
| 22:19.34 | bheading | I haven't got a Z yet, but am considering it. |
| 22:19.41 | warmi | is there v3 ROM ? |
| 22:19.46 | yeiazel | v3 ? |
| 22:19.46 | bheading | the intellisync issue is probably the main thing putting me off. |
| 22:19.52 | kergoth | bheading: v3 rom? |
| 22:19.59 | bheading | V3 is mentioned on the developer website, in a post by Spencer. |
| 22:20.05 | bheading | hang on, I'll get you a URL. |
| 22:20.12 | kergoth | oh, the 5500 rom w/ updated apps |
| 22:20.22 | kergoth | i have a c700. qtopia 1.5.2 still sucks |
| 22:20.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:20.27 | bheading | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=2093&s=083497420338176b357a390417174a1a |
| 22:20.29 | bheading | try that |
| 22:21.10 | bheading | okay, I'm a bit of a newbie. What is Qtopia - is that the "desktop" environment ? |
| 22:21.21 | kergoth | no |
| 22:21.24 | kergoth | qtopia is the GUI on the zaurus |
| 22:21.28 | bheading | ah right. |
| 22:21.32 | kergoth | qtopia _desktop_ is the desktop sync app |
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| 22:22.07 | bheading | So does Qtopia Desktop merely look after the syncing, or does it include desktop addressbook, memo etc ? |
| 22:22.11 | warmi | I thought intellisync stuff been fixed in x.38 ? |
| 22:22.16 | kergoth | its desktop pim |
| 22:22.18 | kergoth | but it socks |
| 22:22.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:22.22 | bheading | Unfortunately I am somewhat tied to Outlook, so it is quite important that I can sync with that. |
| 22:22.38 | warmi | yeah, then you need intelisync |
| 22:22.42 | George- | kergoth: I think when he said "desktop" environment, he meant the interface on the actual Z |
| 22:22.52 | George- | kergoth: like, KDE is a desktop environment |
| 22:23.08 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:23.10 | kergoth | Z = pda |
| 22:23.14 | warmi | no, he meant desktop based tools for working with contacts etc |
| 22:23.17 | kergoth | my box on my desk = desktop |
| 22:23.25 | George- | kergoth: hence why he put desktop in inverted commas :) |
| 22:23.29 | George- | I dunno |
| 22:23.49 | bheading | I did actually mean the interface on the Z, but I understand it all now :) |
| 22:23.53 | George- | HAH |
| 22:24.07 | bheading | so I use Intellisync *instead* of Qtopia Desktop :) |
| 22:24.09 | warmi | anyone here using intellisync with their Zaurus ? |
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| 22:24.16 | bheading | sorry about that kergoth :) |
| 22:24.21 | yeiazel | however, "KDE" = "K Desktop Environment"; thinking this way, Qtopia is the Z desktop environment |
| 22:24.30 | George- | yeiazel: precisely |
| 22:24.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:24.38 | yeiazel | (at least with the sharp rom) |
| 22:24.40 | kergoth | qtopia is qpe |
| 22:24.43 | George- | kergoth: nya nya nya nya |
| 22:24.46 | kergoth | qtopia PALMTOP environment |
| 22:24.49 | kergoth | qt |
| 22:24.49 | mewyn | yes |
| 22:24.50 | splyit | can i put a rom from SL-5600 on a SL-b500 ?? |
| 22:24.50 | George- | kergoth: Qt Palmtop Environmen t;) |
| 22:24.51 | kergoth | rather |
| 22:24.52 | splyit | can i put a rom from SL-5600 on a SL-b500 ?? |
| 22:24.53 | kergoth | George-: yes |
| 22:24.55 | bheading | kergoth : yes, that's what I shouldhave said. |
| 22:24.55 | kergoth | PALMTOP |
| 22:24.56 | kergoth | not |
| 22:24.59 | kergoth | DESKTOP |
| 22:25.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:25.07 | warmi | splyit: I don't think so |
| 22:25.12 | George- | kergoth: ahh, but he's a newbie, and he *did* put desktop in "" |
| 22:25.19 | kergoth | and? |
| 22:25.24 | splyit | warmi : thx |
| 22:25.26 | kergoth | "" is open to interpretation |
| 22:25.28 | yeiazel | kergoth: work on oz instead of trolling about which word to use |
| 22:25.33 | devusb | hmm, so, I found something on google groups with a zaurus+ma701 breakage... |
| 22:25.33 | George- | kergoth: ahh get fucked ;) |
| 22:25.35 | kergoth | i'm waiting for compiles |
| 22:25.45 | kergoth | ntpdate atm |
| 22:25.56 | bheading | I presume OZ cannot be used for Outlook synching, just KDE, is that right ? |
| 22:26.02 | kergoth | bheading: you presume wrong |
| 22:26.08 | George- | bheading: you're wrong |
| 22:26.08 | bheading | really ? |
| 22:26.09 | treke | you can, it's just not recommended |
| 22:26.14 | bheading | that's good news |
| 22:26.18 | George- | bheading: as kergoth will tell you in his asshole-ish way |
| 22:26.21 | kergoth | dont sync TODOs. dangerous |
| 22:26.21 | treke | you cant sync the todolist |
| 22:26.24 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (fuck off and die) |
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| 22:26.32 | George- | lol |
| 22:26.32 | yeiazel | :)) |
| 22:26.43 | ljp_work | ehh he's back |
| 22:27.05 | yeiazel | kill him, kill him ! |
| 22:27.14 | ljp_work | back in the good old days, one could mearly curse and get george kicked |
| 22:27.43 | yeiazel | does anyone here know 'little gamers' ? |
| 22:27.49 | treke | hey watch your you stick that thing |
| 22:28.14 | ljp_work | ? speako english |
| 22:28.15 | bheading | I think I'll hold off until the 5600 becomes available, or v3 pops up and people get a chance to try it. 5600 isn't yet available in the UK it seems. |
| 22:28.20 | kergoth | noiddd: sweet |
| 22:28.25 | noiddd | hmmm, 990k to 26k :-) |
| 22:28.40 | kergoth | our ldconfig went from 600k to 22k recently |
| 22:28.45 | kergoth | (static -> shared) |
| 22:28.46 | noiddd | now watch it SEGV |
| 22:28.57 | noiddd | most excellent kergoth :-) |
| 22:29.47 | kergoth | anyone feel like debugging the fdisk bus error for me? |
| 22:29.50 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:30.27 | George- | kergoth: I would... if I knew how... and if I could be bothered.. and if I didn't hate you :) |
| 22:30.28 | ljp_work | its probably the 'print' in fdisk, as the other functions might work. I NOTICED THAT A WHILE AGO |
| 22:30.35 | ljp_work | whoops |
| 22:31.05 | bheading | what vote does OPIE get on here ? |
| 22:31.15 | George- | bheading: oh, Opie sucks |
| 22:31.18 | ljp_work | vote? |
| 22:31.32 | ljp_work | kick george again, please |
| 22:31.32 | bheading | ljp: er, opinion, preference |
| 22:31.45 | ljp_work | I am biased for opie |
| 22:32.03 | bheading | would that be an open source bias ? I am afraid I have a touch of that problem myself ;-) |
| 22:32.13 | George- | bheading: ljp is a core opie developer |
| 22:32.17 | bheading | oh I see :) |
| 22:32.24 | kergoth | i love opie too, but i'm also biased |
| 22:32.31 | kergoth | being the openzaurus maintainer |
| 22:32.37 | George- | kergoth: ahhh shut up :) |
| 22:32.54 | bheading | kergoth : do you need any programmers ? :-) |
| 22:32.56 | ljp_work | bias of a core opie developer |
| 22:33.08 | George- | bheading: I prefer opie too, but I'm bias being the local opie-developer-annoyance |
| 22:33.11 | ljp_work | yes, opie needs devs |
| 22:33.17 | kergoth | bheading: yes, both opie and oz can always use more devs |
| 22:33.26 | ljp_work | kick george again, please |
| 22:33.31 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (hi) |
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| 22:33.36 | George- | wtf |
| 22:33.37 | ljp_work | heheh thx |
| 22:33.48 | mewyn | i'd say kick him again for good measure |
| 22:33.54 | George- | wthhaveidone?!?! |
| 22:34.08 | ljp_work | <George-> bheading: oh, Opie sucks |
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| 22:34.16 | ljp_work | :) |
| 22:34.20 | bheading | what sort of programming environment is it ? C/C++ I take it. |
| 22:34.22 | tboc | hi |
| 22:34.24 | George- | ljp_work: <George-> bheading: I prefer opie too |
| 22:34.24 | kergoth | c++ |
| 22:34.28 | treke | opie is C++ |
| 22:34.30 | ljp_work | c++ using qt embedded |
| 22:34.37 | George- | bheading: Visual Basic |
| 22:34.38 | bheading | right |
| 22:34.43 | ljp_work | but there are some parts that are c |
| 22:34.47 | treke | openzaurus is a bit of everything |
| 22:34.51 | tboc | btw. how do i sync my Z with evolution? |
| 22:34.51 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (goto 20) |
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| 22:34.56 | George- | kergoth: haha |
| 22:34.58 | treke | the only thing in C is that lame ftplib |
| 22:35.02 | George- | rofl |
| 22:35.04 | treke | man that library sucks |
| 22:35.05 | George- | goto 20.. hehe ;) |
| 22:35.14 | ljp_work | why do you say that? |
| 22:35.20 | ljp_work | its better than not having it |
| 22:35.37 | treke | mostly because the developer on it sucks |
| 22:35.53 | George- | kergoth: are you coded in VB.NET? |
| 22:35.54 | ljp_work | the developer? or maintainer? there a difference |
| 22:35.55 | kergoth | forgot to set architecture on the kernel modules packages.. oops |
| 22:36.05 | treke | ljp_work: which one are you? |
| 22:36.05 | kergoth | sdmmc, hostap, orinoco, sharp-camera |
| 22:36.16 | bheading | I am a mostly embedded C programmer these days. |
| 22:36.20 | ljp_work | maintainer. I found that floating on the internet |
| 22:36.49 | kergoth | bheading: we can always use folks to work on kernel stuff, or just maintain packages, do builds, patch upstream sources.. |
| 22:36.53 | ljp_work | adn used it because qte for sharp doesnt have qftp |
| 22:37.03 | George- | bheading: do you live in the US? |
| 22:37.04 | bheading | I may be able to help in the future |
| 22:37.07 | bheading | once I get my Z |
| 22:37.13 | bheading | no, I'm in Northern Ireland |
| 22:37.21 | George- | bheading: cool, go hack the SD stuff for us :) |
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| 22:37.28 | devusb | how are the linksys wcf11s? |
| 22:37.31 | bheading | um... |
| 22:37.57 | ljp_work | dont listen to george |
| 22:38.06 | George- | ljp_work: does anybody? |
| 22:38.12 | ljp_work | hacking sd code will get you in legal trouble |
| 22:38.29 | bheading | what's SD then ? |
| 22:38.34 | kergoth | bheading: secure digital |
| 22:38.35 | bheading | I take it that's licensed Sharp stuff |
| 22:38.37 | bheading | ohhhhhhh right |
| 22:38.40 | George- | ljp_work: but only in the US afaik? |
| 22:38.47 | kergoth | bheading: as in that sd/mmc card slot |
| 22:38.55 | bheading | land of the free eh ? :) |
| 22:38.56 | ljp_work | or countries that honor certain treaties |
| 22:38.57 | kergoth | bheading: we're stuck on a 2.4.6 binary only kernel module, and we want to move to 2.4.19 but cant |
| 22:39.12 | George- | ljp_work: we need a coder from russia ;) |
| 22:39.15 | bheading | I see |
| 22:39.16 | ljp_work | :) |
| 22:39.29 | George- | or China |
| 22:39.42 | George- | or somewhere quite remote ;) |
| 22:39.53 | ljp_work | climov |
| 22:39.59 | George- | climov? |
| 22:40.06 | George- | ibot climov |
| 22:40.07 | | George-: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:40.07 | ljp_work | ya, he's in russia |
| 22:40.14 | George- | ljp_work: hah, get him to do it ;) |
| 22:40.29 | ljp_work | doubt he will. he's got mouths to feed |
| 22:40.41 | George- | hrmm? |
| 22:41.16 | ljp_work | he works for smelly onions |
| 22:41.25 | George- | ?? |
| 22:41.30 | ljp_work | err smelly onions company |
| 22:41.35 | ljp_work | :) |
| 22:43.20 | George- | lol |
| 22:44.02 | George- | anyway... I'm bias towards Opie because I'm a wannabe opie dev |
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| 22:52.37 | ljp_work | well, george, you had your chance |
| 22:53.09 | bheading | what do you guys in general consider to be the main issues that need to be fixed on the Z software (either on OZ, or the Sharp s/w) ? |
| 22:54.04 | treke | OZ is perfect |
| 22:54.12 | bheading | really ? :) |
| 22:54.17 | treke | yes |
| 22:54.21 | ljp_work | no, opie is perfect |
| 22:54.29 | sheenmaster | ljp_work: lol, sure it is |
| 22:54.30 | bheading | I saw some complaints on comp.os.palmtop about some bugginess there |
| 22:54.36 | treke | ljp_work: if OPIE wasnt perfect, OZ wouldnt be |
| 22:54.36 | George- | ljp_work: I had my chance to do what? |
| 22:54.40 | kergoth | bheading: we're all smartasses |
| 22:54.43 | kergoth | bheading: get used to it |
| 22:54.44 | treke | bheading: they are obviously lying |
| 22:54.45 | bheading | I get it :) |
| 22:54.54 | ljp_work | George-: add your html editor to opie |
| 22:54.59 | George- | ljp_work: hrmm |
| 22:55.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:55.04 | kergoth | just fix up tinykate |
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| 22:55.06 | sheenmaster | 1. large CF cards shouldn't lock up the system for so long when unsuspending the Z |
| 22:55.07 | kergoth | tinykate rocks |
| 22:55.09 | George- | ljp_work: tinykate is better |
| 22:55.12 | treke | better yet, dont. fix tinykate |
| 22:55.19 | ljp_work | I am still waiting for that guys patches to tinykate |
| 22:55.30 | treke | ljp_work: he'd rather fork his own version |
| 22:55.33 | ljp_work | maybe more people ashould bother him |
| 22:55.39 | devusb | should I not start up my zaurus with my wlan card in? |
| 22:55.41 | sheenmaster | 2. kaffe needs to be fixed or wonka needs to be finished |
| 22:55.44 | ljp_work | he's not releasing the source |
| 22:55.55 | kergoth | wonka's coming along nicely |
| 22:55.55 | George- | ljp_work: I've got a units converting program, does that count? |
| 22:56.04 | ljp_work | units? |
| 22:56.07 | treke | " I'll take this version down again once the official Opie version has the wrinkles ironed out. |
| 22:56.10 | George- | ljp_work: as in, feet, inches etc |
| 22:56.12 | sheenmaster | kergoth: great |
| 22:56.20 | ljp_work | like femal pleasure units conversion? |
| 22:56.21 | treke | send in a fricking patch and the wrinkes will be ironed out |
| 22:56.30 | kergoth | sheenmaster: already farther along than kaffe's qt bindings |
| 22:56.31 | George- | ljp_work: I wrote it for the trolltech competition |
| 22:56.45 | ljp_work | George-: I think there might be one of those already |
| 22:56.47 | sheenmaster | kergoth: I can't even get kaffe to run a simple "hell world" w/out segfaulting |
| 22:56.53 | George- | ljp_work: there is ;) |
| 22:56.55 | kergoth | sheenmaster: ouch |
| 22:56.55 | George- | ljp_work: zuc |
| 22:57.32 | sheenmaster | kergoth: is the memory leak in wonka fixed? It used to close and leave 5mb alloted when "ctrl+c"ed or when the Z suspended. |
| 22:57.49 | kergoth | sheenmaster: hah, guess it needs some signal handlers eh |
| 22:59.02 | sheenmaster | kergoth: FlameCalc is coming along well; I'll finish up the AWT frontend soon and get the ipkg to work. |
| 22:59.14 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:59.34 | sheenmaster | kergoth: I also have the MacOS version being build by Makefile in Linux |
| 23:00.22 | ljp_work | George-: if you wanted too, just find an opie app that needs some attention and get hacking on it |
| 23:00.51 | kergoth | there are lots of bugs in mantis.. |
| 23:01.00 | ljp_work | that also |
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| 23:01.48 | George- | ljp_work: there is of course the slight problem that I have no computer |
| 23:01.54 | bheading | is there something like a hardware emulator to develop on, or do you just have to keep moving your rebuilt code onto the device ? |
| 23:02.00 | ljp_work | well.. get one! |
| 23:02.04 | kergoth | bheading: you can build qt and qtopia/opie for x86 |
| 23:02.08 | George- | ljp_work: ... |
| 23:02.13 | kergoth | bheading: and develop your app in X using the qt virtual framebuffer |
| 23:02.18 | bheading | ah yes |
| 23:02.18 | ljp_work | bheading: there's qvfb |
| 23:02.37 | ljp_work | or the skiff* at hh.org |
| 23:02.48 | mewyn | ugh |
| 23:02.54 | mewyn | i fucking hate this bank |
| 23:03.00 | kergoth | probs? |
| 23:04.16 | mewyn | yes |
| 23:04.26 | mewyn | this fucking bank is run by idiots |
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| 23:24.00 | Jnuahs | does smb work in oz3.2 |
| 23:24.09 | kergoth | should |
| 23:24.35 | Jnuahs | I installed smbmount from docs.zaurus.com |
| 23:24.40 | kergoth | dont. |
| 23:24.44 | kergoth | there are oz samba packages |
| 23:24.47 | kergoth | they should be i nthe feeds |
| 23:24.50 | Jnuahs | uh... ok |
| 23:25.03 | mewyn | ugh |
| 23:25.06 | kergoth | always use the packages in the oz feeds |
| 23:25.12 | kergoth | unless you have an explicit reason to do otherwise |
| 23:25.31 | zoid | kergoth: why isn't kinkatta or whatever it's called in the oz feed? |
| 23:25.38 | Jnuahs | I couldn't find smb/samba in the oz feeds |
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| 23:26.02 | kergoth | zoid: because it isnt in our buildsystem |
| 23:26.25 | zoid | why not? :) |
| 23:26.25 | devusb | so, umm, cf wlan card reccomendation? |
| 23:26.42 | zoid | devusb: my linksys WCF12 works like a charm |
| 23:26.52 | zoid | (in OZ that is, not sharp's rom) |
| 23:26.53 | devusb | great |
| 23:26.54 | devusb | yeah |
| 23:26.55 | devusb | oz |
| 23:26.56 | devusb | :)) |
| 23:27.07 | devusb | my netgear was a bust, apparently |
| 23:27.40 | zoid | that sucks |
| 23:27.53 | devusb | oh well! my dad's going to pay for a new one :)) |
| 23:27.58 | Jnuahs | my netgear works great |
| 23:28.03 | devusb | Jnuahs: ma701? |
| 23:28.03 | zoid | heh |
| 23:28.31 | Jnuahs | dunno... and I dont want to take it out |
| 23:28.34 | devusb | hehe |
| 23:28.48 | Jnuahs | so... cant find smb stuff in stable |
| 23:28.50 | devusb | you should be able to see that while it's inserted |
| 23:29.01 | devusb | got my ma701 in my laptop, working fine |
| 23:29.05 | devusb | but it doesn't like the zaurus |
| 23:29.33 | Jnuahs | can't see the model |
| 23:30.01 | Jnuahs | so... smb stuff? what is it called |
| 23:30.16 | kergoth | 17:25 <@kergoth> they should be i nthe feeds |
| 23:30.22 | kergoth | should != is |
| 23:30.33 | kergoth | apparently they werent enabled in the build at the last unstable update |
| 23:30.40 | Jnuahs | oh :-) |
| 23:30.40 | kergoth | they'll get uploaded shortly |
| 23:30.55 | Jnuahs | thanks |
| 23:31.41 | noiddd | shit |
| 23:31.45 | noiddd | bk just ate my file |
| 23:31.47 | noiddd | bastard |
| 23:33.08 | Jnuahs | kergoth: will it be in stable |
| 23:33.11 | George- | afk |
| 23:33.12 | George- | cya all |
| 23:33.22 | George- | cya kergoth |
| 23:33.45 | kergoth | Jnuahs: most likely |
| 23:33.51 | Jnuahs | ok |
| 23:35.41 | nichos | hey all, ive got my zaurus setup on usb, i can ping it, but i cant get opera to work, i even tried going to a local webserver by ip, nothing |
| 23:35.57 | nichos | do i set the ip on the zaurus the same as usb0? |
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| 23:37.22 | rev | WOOT!! |
| 23:37.25 | rev | guess what kids? |
| 23:37.38 | kergoth | what? |
| 23:37.46 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:37.48 | George- | kergoth: OIY! I'm the only kid around here!!! |
| 23:37.50 | rev | utterly so |
| 23:37.57 | mewyn | time to put linux on it |
| 23:37.59 | rev | which is ironic because i was there pressenting about dynapad, my PDA OS |
| 23:38.04 | rev | mewyn: does it have a flashable ROM? |
| 23:38.20 | mewyn | if it doesn't, dell should be kicked in the jimmies |
| 23:38.21 | George- | rev: you have an OS? |
| 23:38.51 | rev | George-: it is a compujting environment based on Squeak- http://spe.sf.net |
| 23:39.00 | rev | it is an OS and "just" an OE |
| 23:39.01 | George- | anyway, I gtg |
| 23:39.08 | rev | i usually run it on top of Linux, WinCE or Mac OS X |
| 23:39.16 | rev | but you can boot on the bare metal as well |
| 23:39.47 | George`NotHere | mewyn: iirc, the Axim has something like 48MB flash |
| 23:40.08 | rev | cool |
| 23:40.11 | rev | 32 MB flash |
| 23:40.18 | rev | at least the model I have reads it has 32 MB ROM in the sysinfo |
| 23:40.24 | rev | but awesome |
| 23:40.43 | rev | it's kind of a cheap feeling device |
| 23:40.44 | rev | but it was free |
| 23:40.46 | rev | so WOOT |
| 23:40.46 | George`NotHere | rev: does that run on the Z? |
| 23:40.50 | rev | the stylus really blows |
| 23:40.53 | rev | George`NotHere: naturally! |
| 23:41.08 | rev | i bought the Z because it was faster than a similar-speed WinCE device |
| 23:41.09 | George`NotHere | rev: the squeak thing? |
| 23:41.17 | rev | that is, the iPAQs @ 206 MHz |
| 23:41.32 | rev | the Z runs Squeak and Dynapad almost 25% faster than them! |
| 23:41.35 | rev | George`NotHere: yup! |
| 23:41.49 | George`NotHere | rev: that's hardly surprising. Windoze blows |
| 23:41.52 | *** join/#zaurus br33zybrb (~br33zy@dt0f7n86.san.rr.com) |
| 23:41.52 | rev | Dynapad, my OS/OE is written in, based on Squeak... Both Stock Squeak and Dynapad run on the Z wonderfully |
| 23:41.55 | rev | yes, but still |
| 23:42.09 | rev | Windows on the desktop runs Squeak faster than Linux on the desktop |
| 23:42.12 | George`NotHere | rev: what toolkit is it? Squeak? |
| 23:42.13 | rev | so i wasn't expecting it |
| 23:42.19 | George`NotHere | rev: wth is squeak anyway?:) |
| 23:42.22 | rev | Squeak has it's own GUI toolkit called Morphic |
| 23:42.28 | rev | George`NotHere: i gotta bbiam |
| 23:42.31 | rev | gf's bday |
| 23:42.33 | rev | and she is calling |
| 23:42.34 | rev | ;) |
| 23:42.36 | rev | brb |
| 23:42.38 | George`NotHere | heh |
| 23:42.41 | George`NotHere | ok, I'm off anyway |
| 23:43.30 | mewyn | well, looks like i'm going to be banking with a fraction |
| 23:44.46 | rev | ok back |
| 23:44.46 | rev | er |
| 23:44.49 | rev | well later georgie |
| 23:44.53 | George`NotHere | still here |
| 23:45.10 | George`NotHere | ahh stuff it |
| 23:45.13 | George`NotHere | OK, I'm off |
| 23:45.24 | George`NotHere | bah |
| 23:45.27 | George`NotHere | no I'm not |
| 23:45.39 | George`NotHere | ok, this is starting to remind me of Gollum |
| 23:45.42 | George`NotHere | "gooooo" |
| 23:45.43 | George`NotHere | "noooo" |
| 23:45.44 | George`NotHere | :) |
| 23:46.18 | rev | heh |
| 23:46.27 | rev | wth is up with squeak in what respect? ;P |
| 23:47.10 | George`NotHere | read my question again |
| 23:47.15 | George`NotHere | <George`NotHere> rev: wth is squeak anyway?:) |
| 23:47.41 | George`NotHere | because I'm such a nice, kind person, I've saved you having to scroll up :Þ |
| 23:47.53 | George`NotHere | ok, I'm really off now |
| 23:47.54 | George`NotHere | cya |
| 23:48.56 | rev | i read it |
| 23:49.02 | rev | but i said in what respect dorkus |
| 23:49.11 | rev | i read your question and asked for clarification :P |
