| 00:02.05 | ChrisH | Ah... opie-networkingsettings is indeed a package. |
| 00:02.45 | treke|home | yes it is |
| 00:02.52 | treke|home | everything in opie is a package |
| 00:03.06 | ChrisH | treke|home: From Sharp i was used to have all applets and configuration dialogs built in. |
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| 00:03.42 | Gordo | does anyone know the file name of the Z driver in windows? |
| 00:03.52 | jshare | with vnc , the moseu works, but not the kbd |
| 00:03.59 | jshare | i've rebooted once |
| 00:04.45 | Gordo | anyone? |
| 00:05.19 | jshare | what do y omean, "the Z driver" ? |
| 00:05.34 | Gordo | whatever drivers for the Z are installed |
| 00:05.37 | jshare | the faux-network driver? |
| 00:05.53 | Gordo | I guess, It isn't showing up in my device manager but I know it was installed at one point |
| 00:06.14 | jshare | c:\winnt\system32\drivers\slz1nd5.sys |
| 00:06.22 | jshare | that's the one that's loaded on mine |
| 00:06.28 | jshare | "SL Series (NDIS 5)" |
| 00:07.04 | jshare | hmm |
| 00:07.06 | jshare | there is also a USB thing |
| 00:07.14 | jshare | "SL Series (WDM)" |
| 00:07.19 | jshare | that uses: |
| 00:07.22 | jshare | slz1cr.sys |
| 00:07.26 | jshare | slz1unic.sys |
| 00:07.29 | jshare | slz1wh.sys |
| 00:07.35 | jshare | all in \winnt\system32\drivers |
| 00:07.42 | Gordo | thank you very much |
| 00:08.51 | Gordo | brb, might of solved my problems |
| 00:08.57 | jshare | might have |
| 00:08.57 | jshare | :) |
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| 00:11.00 | ChrisH | Argh... I just installed the newer opie-networksettings. Now I get a "No information a disconnected interface". Very funny... |
| 00:12.10 | ChrisH | I cannot bring usbd0 up in opie-networksettings but syncing works though. This is mysterious. |
| 00:18.01 | jshare | dangit |
| 00:18.07 | jshare | after rebooting, still no kbd via vnc |
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| 00:22.40 | Gordo | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo |
| 00:22.49 | Gordo | Texas won and my Zaurus is working |
| 00:27.28 | ChrisH | I'm short before giving up. Opie just crashed again. |
| 00:28.10 | Gordo | I'm putting the sharp ROM back on this |
| 00:29.32 | ChrisH | Gordo: In a few minutes I will to that, too. I don't like hacking. At a certain point I expect that a PDA just works. |
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| 00:32.52 | arete | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3016217632 |
| 00:33.33 | Gordo | that guy has some cool shit |
| 00:33.41 | Gordo | i'm guessing it is you |
| 00:33.56 | nagROM | yup. thats pretty sweet |
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| 00:41.39 | lion | i need a little help |
| 00:41.52 | lion | this is what i get while running ifconfig -a |
| 00:41.56 | lion | usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 40:00:00:00:FF:03 |
| 00:41.56 | lion | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.21 | lion | thats just part of it , i didnt mean to spam the room :)) |
| 00:42.25 | ChrisH | lion: That means the interface is neither up nor configured. |
| 00:42.45 | lion | ChrisH: i guess not configured sounds better |
| 00:43.54 | lion | ChrisH: would u do me a favor and have a look at this link |
| 00:44.01 | lion | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=44779 |
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| 00:45.15 | ChrisH | lion: Hmmm... looks okay to me. |
| 00:45.42 | lion | first i had CDCEther , and i wasnt even gettins this |
| 00:45.50 | lion | i had to remove the module from teh kernel |
| 00:48.31 | lion | ChrisH: i tried to ping zaurus i got no response |
| 00:48.52 | kergoth | well obviously |
| 00:48.55 | ChrisH | lion: As long as the usb device doesn't show the IP and is not "UP" you won't get a connection. |
| 00:48.58 | kergoth | try bringing the interface up first |
| 00:49.14 | lion | can u please tell me how do i do that |
| 00:49.30 | kergoth | ChrisH: uh, how exactly does OZ not work? |
| 00:49.37 | kergoth | Gordo: same question |
| 00:49.50 | kergoth | lion: read the howtos |
| 00:50.07 | Gordo | kergoth we've gone over this, it just doesn't work as good bottom line for me. |
| 00:50.12 | ChrisH | kergoth: First I cannot install packages based on qpe-base - it seems not to be installed. |
| 00:50.20 | Gordo | I could care less how "cool" the hacked OS is |
| 00:50.25 | Gordo | it doesn't work as good |
| 00:50.29 | kergoth | ChrisH: check the big obvious "force depends" box |
| 00:50.33 | kergoth | ChrisH: tough, i know |
| 00:50.47 | ChrisH | kergoth: Second the opie-networksettings are seriously buggy. I forgets the DNS and then can't get the usbd0 up again. |
| 00:50.51 | kergoth | Gordo: details |
| 00:50.57 | treke|home | "hacked os" |
| 00:51.01 | ChrisH | kergoth: Are you sure it's "nice" to force depends? |
| 00:51.11 | treke|home | ChrisH: no its not nice, but it is the solution |
| 00:51.14 | Gordo | kergoth I think you've seen me in here enough to know the problems I've been having |
| 00:51.43 | treke|home | until ipkg stops sucking, it is the solution |
| 00:51.49 | kergoth | Gordo: i have better things to be doing that listen to people complain in this channel. 95% of the time its user error. |
| 00:51.53 | ChrisH | treke|home: I'm mostly using Debian (OZ looks derived from it to me) and to keep me and my servers sane I always followed the golden rule to never ignore dependencies. |
| 00:51.59 | kergoth | ChrisH: ipkg is not dpkg. |
| 00:52.03 | treke|home | ChrisH: THis isnt debian |
| 00:52.06 | treke|home | ChrisH: ipkg isnt dpkg |
| 00:52.10 | treke|home | dpkg doesnt suck |
| 00:52.16 | treke|home | ipkg is a steaming pile of brokenness |
| 00:52.51 | ChrisH | kergoth: Surely it's not the same. I ignored the dependencies when installing the VNC server that worked more or less well on the Sharp ROM but now drops me out of OPIE whenever I try to start it. |
| 00:53.00 | kergoth | ChrisH: irrelevent |
| 00:53.19 | kergoth | ChrisH: the force had nothing to do with that behavior |
| 00:53.23 | kergoth | it would occur regardless |
| 00:53.26 | kergoth | we call that a 'bug' |
| 00:53.38 | ChrisH | kergoth: I believe it would need a kind of library which it doesn't find. |
| 00:53.45 | kergoth | you believe wrong. |
| 00:54.12 | kergoth | You already have what qpe-base provided. |
| 00:54.17 | kergoth | whether you know it or not. |
| 00:54.29 | ChrisH | kergoth: I believe thou, holy master. |
| 00:54.47 | treke|home | when ipkg starts properly supporting provides you wont need to force depends |
| 00:55.22 | ChrisH | So we/you use ipkg to stay binary compatible with the Sharp ROM? |
| 00:55.41 | kergoth | no, we use it because there is no better solution |
| 00:55.45 | treke|home | ipkg is being used since there is no better solution |
| 00:56.19 | ChrisH | kergoth: And why are there depends in the packages when ipkg ignores them? |
| 00:56.29 | kergoth | ipkg does NOT ignore depends |
| 00:56.37 | kergoth | nor did i say it did. |
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| 00:56.44 | kergoth | it has a *bug* as relates to *PROVIDES* handling |
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| 00:56.55 | kergoth | and that package also has a .. *bug* |
| 00:57.11 | ChrisH | kergoth: Okay... my fault. LHE (late hour error) |
| 00:58.29 | kergoth | ~cluebat ChrisH |
| 00:58.30 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps ChrisH. |
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| 00:58.42 | kergoth | hey raster |
| 00:58.44 | ChrisH | kergoth: I knew you would be doing that. ;) |
| 00:58.47 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:58.55 | kergoth | raster: hows it goin? |
| 00:59.19 | raster | i'll be in and out for a bit... |
| 00:59.22 | raster | bbl |
| 00:59.31 | kergoth | k |
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| 01:02.17 | lion | any gentoo users in the room that uses zaurus |
| 01:02.48 | darmou | Does anyone know what package has the sambaserver in oz? |
| 01:07.44 | jshare | so which package do i install to play mp3s? |
| 01:08.03 | darmou | jshare xmms or opie-player2 |
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| 01:08.22 | jshare | are either of those in stable? |
| 01:08.27 | jshare | i see opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 01:08.51 | treke|home | opie-mediaplayer2 |
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| 01:09.32 | darmou | what i would really like is the netatalk package. |
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| 01:11.53 | jshare | hmm, a lot of stuff in /usr for the depends for medialplayer2 |
| 01:12.02 | jshare | libs, i guess? |
| 01:14.22 | oGMo | whjoa |
| 01:14.28 | oGMo | the gp32 has usb? |
| 01:14.31 | oGMo | hmm |
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| 01:14.57 | rev | hey all! |
| 01:15.07 | rev | anyone know if it is possible to get more than one bleeding opera window open at a time?! |
| 01:16.32 | oGMo | probably not |
| 01:17.40 | rev | hrmm |
| 01:17.48 | rev | that is a huge shortfall |
| 01:17.49 | rev | that sucks |
| 01:18.02 | rev | i may have to write a script to rename executables for running sepearate sessions |
| 01:18.07 | rev | but that is weak |
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| 01:18.39 | rev | heck, you can even do that on WinCE! :P |
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| 01:22.47 | darmou | Does konq allow for multiple windows? |
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| 01:32.48 | rev | good question |
| 01:32.59 | jshare | good lord, mediaplayer2 uses a lot of ram |
| 01:33.03 | rev | anyone here use konq on the Z? |
| 01:33.13 | rev | i was going to install it, but the site with hte ipk no longer had it :/ |
| 01:33.19 | jshare | and cpu, for that matter |
| 01:33.23 | rev | oi |
| 01:34.06 | darmou | jshare personally I use tkePlayer theKompany product. It costs money but it is good. |
| 01:35.00 | rev | low on res usage? |
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| 01:42.22 | darius_ | anyone know what package librt is in? |
| 01:44.20 | macdigas | librt is part of libc6 |
| 01:44.53 | darius_ | ok, thanks |
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| 01:49.31 | lion | if anyone wanna help me with me zaurus setup please read this link http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=262404#262404 |
| 01:51.12 | minipanda | lion: i've meet the same problem! but i'm trying to using an win2k connect with my zaurus :-) |
| 01:51.33 | lion | i did connect it with windows |
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| 01:51.44 | lion | i wanna do it with linux |
| 01:51.56 | krezel[laptop] | Howdy yall |
| 01:55.31 | minipanda | lion: trying to ask warmi ,kergoth and treke ! they are experts :-) |
| 01:55.36 | polin8 | rev: konq is not as nice as opera |
| 01:55.49 | lion | thanx |
| 01:56.00 | lion | minipanda: :)) |
| 01:56.26 | minipanda | lion: you are welcome! i'm just a newbie here! |
| 01:57.14 | krezel[laptop] | lion: Whatcha trying to do? |
| 01:57.40 | lion | krezel[laptop]: connect z to my linux box |
| 01:57.44 | lion | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=262404#262404 |
| 01:58.00 | lion | u can read that if u like , i got all my config there |
| 01:58.05 | lion | i dont get an ip |
| 01:58.15 | krezel[laptop] | Trying to use the Qtopia tools? |
| 01:58.20 | krezel[laptop] | USB? |
| 01:58.39 | lion | yes is usb |
| 01:59.04 | krezel[laptop] | what kernel? |
| 01:59.04 | mutexer | Ive got mine working in gentoo |
| 01:59.15 | lion | i am using 2.4.20-gentoor2 |
| 01:59.35 | lion | mutexer: can u still see the link i've posted |
| 01:59.52 | mutexer | yrsh |
| 01:59.52 | mutexer | yeah |
| 01:59.52 | krezel[laptop] | I think you need the "USB DNet" patch. I set it up on my 2.4.20 box once |
| 02:00.11 | mutexer | lion: try this: |
| 02:00.16 | lion | i did compile it with usbdnet |
| 02:00.16 | lion | k |
| 02:00.32 | mutexer | wait.. first of all what image are you using on the Z? |
| 02:00.45 | mutexer | as in what Qtopia image |
| 02:00.58 | mutexer | cause the one that ships on the Zaurus doesnt work with USB through linux |
| 02:01.03 | lion | mutexer: i dont know what u mean by that |
| 02:01.11 | lion | oh i see what u mean |
| 02:01.16 | mutexer | the Zaurus OS.. have you reflashed it or is it like it came from the factory? |
| 02:01.40 | lion | from factory |
| 02:01.55 | mutexer | thats the problem then |
| 02:02.13 | mutexer | IM using version 1.39 |
| 02:02.22 | mutexer | go to system info and to the Version tab |
| 02:02.27 | mutexer | see what it says |
| 02:02.32 | lion | k |
| 02:02.36 | lion | brb |
| 02:02.36 | mutexer | it may say nothing.. my original didnt say nothing |
| 02:02.47 | mutexer | I also have a 5000D not a 5500 |
| 02:03.08 | mutexer | if you have something other than a 5000D then your rom image might work |
| 02:03.24 | lion | mutexer: , i am at the info page |
| 02:03.29 | lion | what do u want me to read |
| 02:03.43 | mutexer | the version tab |
| 02:03.55 | mutexer | do you see the section Linux Kernel? |
| 02:04.00 | lion | yes |
| 02:04.12 | mutexer | whats it say beside ROM version |
| 02:04.18 | mutexer | thats the very last thing on my Z on that tab |
| 02:04.23 | lion | 2.4.6-rmk-np2-embedix |
| 02:04.28 | lion | thats teh kernel |
| 02:04.34 | mutexer | whats the ROM version? |
| 02:04.57 | mutexer | if it doesnt say then it might be the original which sucks really bad |
| 02:05.18 | lion | i dont see ROM version |
| 02:05.23 | lion | so how do i flush it |
| 02:05.34 | mutexer | you probably need to flash it with a better version |
| 02:05.34 | mutexer | do you have windows? |
| 02:05.39 | lion | yes |
| 02:05.44 | mutexer | or a 64mb or great CF card? |
| 02:05.54 | mutexer | greater |
| 02:06.03 | lion | no i dont have an extra Cf card |
| 02:06.03 | mutexer | I think you can flash over USB from windows |
| 02:06.13 | mutexer | if you have the 5500 |
| 02:06.19 | lion | yes |
| 02:06.47 | lion | i set it up under windows real fast , but i dont care to much about windows |
| 02:07.22 | minipanda | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.42 | lion | mutexer: i got the rom version |
| 02:07.47 | lion | is 2.39 |
| 02:07.52 | lion | it was right under kernel |
| 02:07.58 | minipanda | mutexer: is that applicaitons such like hancom are stored in ROM? |
| 02:08.04 | mutexer | http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate3.asp |
| 02:08.04 | mutexer | that page should help you out |
| 02:08.15 | mutexer | lion: oh it is? |
| 02:08.25 | lion | yes |
| 02:08.25 | lion | is that okay |
| 02:08.30 | mutexer | then your rom should work |
| 02:08.35 | mutexer | try this: |
| 02:08.35 | lion | do i still ne to flush this |
| 02:08.40 | lion | k |
| 02:09.06 | mutexer | you have usb0 if you do ifconfig -a right? |
| 02:09.21 | lion | yes |
| 02:09.27 | mutexer | press the sync button if you dont |
| 02:09.27 | lion | but is not up |
| 02:09.37 | mutexer | do this |
| 02:09.37 | lion | k |
| 02:09.52 | mutexer | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 02:09.58 | mutexer | route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 |
| 02:10.04 | lion | k |
| 02:10.04 | mutexer | do these on your PC |
| 02:10.09 | lion | got it |
| 02:10.14 | mutexer | ping 192.168.129.201 |
| 02:10.19 | mutexer | see if it responds |
| 02:10.30 | lion | k thanx mutexer |
| 02:10.47 | ChipX86 | is there an easy way to do that for 2 Zauruses, ensuring that the 2nd would always get usb1, even if the first is not currently connected? |
| 02:10.47 | mutexer | it responding? |
| 02:11.14 | mutexer | ChipX86: not sure |
| 02:11.35 | mutexer | minipanda: System Info Version Tab |
| 02:11.41 | mutexer | all the default programs are in the ROM |
| 02:11.52 | mutexer | AFAIK anyway |
| 02:12.24 | lion | mutexer: that worked i got an ip now |
| 02:12.29 | lion | thanx |
| 02:12.34 | lion | let me ping it |
| 02:12.40 | mutexer | np |
| 02:12.44 | mutexer | you want to know how to setup netaccess too? |
| 02:13.00 | mutexer | Here just look at this - http://docs.zaurus.com/lc_generic.shtml |
| 02:13.09 | mutexer | it tells at the bottom how to configure hotplug |
| 02:13.20 | mutexer | so you dont have to typew that everytime |
| 02:13.30 | lion | got it |
| 02:13.36 | minipanda | mutexer: but m version is already 2.39 ? |
| 02:13.52 | mutexer | minipanda: does it say ROM version 2.39? |
| 02:15.54 | lion | mutexer: no response for ping |
| 02:16.10 | minipanda | mutexer: yea .. |
| 02:16.37 | polin8 | stable feed is now 3.2 yes? |
| 02:17.10 | mutexer | minipanda: then you have version 2.39 |
| 02:17.26 | mutexer | lion: it didnt work after you tried those 3 commands? |
| 02:17.56 | lion | mutexer: when i type ifocnfig , it looks good i get ip and everythin |
| 02:19.10 | lion | i am rebooting the z box |
| 02:19.15 | lion | lets see |
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| 02:20.03 | lion | mutexer: did u flash the original image and installed gentoo on it :)) |
| 02:20.08 | omoore | ok.. i flashed my rom with the latest sharp rom from myzaurus.com... flash worked just fine... unit is boted just fine... |
| 02:20.24 | omoore | but now.. it will not connect to the host computer for syncing... |
| 02:20.28 | omoore | the wireless nic works just fine... |
| 02:20.33 | omoore | i can ping the unit... |
| 02:20.39 | omoore | i can browse the web... |
| 02:20.44 | omoore | just will not sync |
| 02:21.03 | omoore | so.. i'm thinking i'll do this... |
| 02:21.23 | mutexer | lion: no :) Im using the sharp ROM |
| 02:21.28 | omoore | can i put the terminal ipk on my host pc... and access it via the network install? |
| 02:21.38 | minipanda | omoore: can you tell me which version is the most recently!? |
| 02:22.09 | omoore | minipanda: you mean what version of the rom did i flash? |
| 02:23.43 | minipanda | omoore: yes! seems maybe not my ROM's version problem but the usbdnet.o i've compiled is not correct ? |
| 02:23.52 | lion | mutexer: this is the line i have on my /etc/conf.d/net iface_usb0="192.168.129.1 broadcast 192.168.129.255 netmask 255.255.255.0" |
| 02:24.22 | omoore | minipanda: i'm not following you.. are you asking for help on a problem? |
| 02:24.32 | omoore | minipanda: or are you offering help with mine? |
| 02:25.41 | minipanda | omoore: i'm just meet the same problem that i can not connect with zaurus under linux! but maybe not like lion's problem ... |
| 02:25.50 | omoore | minipanda: ahhh |
| 02:25.55 | minipanda | omoore: i'm trying to find a answer here :-) |
| 02:26.22 | omoore | minipanda: i'll try on my wifes pc.. it's a win2k machine.. but thing is... |
| 02:26.27 | omoore | minipanda: i dont think it's the usb stuff... |
| 02:26.38 | lion | this is part of my ifconfig -a |
| 02:26.43 | lion | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.43 | lion | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.43 | lion | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.43 | minipanda | omoore: so tell me what's your ROM version please ! i can sync under win2k! |
| 02:26.48 | omoore | minipanda: my linux desktop runs qtopia that supports TCP/IP syncing |
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| 02:27.12 | minipanda | Mar 31 10:30:52 zhanght insmod: insmod: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/usb/usbdnet.o failed |
| 02:27.17 | omoore | ahh.. here it is... 2.38 |
| 02:27.30 | minipanda | Mar 31 10:30:52 zhanght /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: ... can't load module usbdnet |
| 02:27.53 | mutexer | lion: Im not sure beyond what I told you... sorry |
| 02:28.19 | lion | thats okay thanx |
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| 02:31.06 | omoore | minipanda: good news thow.. if you have wireless... i am able to install packages via http |
| 02:32.02 | omoore | minipanda: so i guess i can install the terminal and ssh.. then get another rom image to the sd card.. eject the nic.. copy image to cf.. re-flash and be back on the old rom |
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| 02:32.50 | omoore | thank god wireless networking works on it! :) |
| 02:37.14 | darmou | I just hope I can get a cisco vpn to work on it, because if I can't wireless is almost useless sigh |
| 02:38.12 | minipanda | omoore: i've done what you said through USB under win2k :-) |
| 02:39.01 | minipanda | omoore: but i'm very eagerly to know the connection speed use wireless? the USB seems only have 1Mbits :-( |
| 02:39.31 | omoore | minipanda: i get 11MB |
| 02:39.42 | omoore | with wep |
| 02:39.46 | omoore | (enabled) |
| 02:41.34 | minipanda | omoore: could you tell me which wireless CF? i think i really need that staff :-) |
| 02:42.06 | lion | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.19 | minipanda | omoore: are u using an wireless AP? or just using an wireless adapter on your PC and notebook to connect with your zaurus? |
| 02:42.20 | omoore | minipanda: i'm using the ambicom.. let me eject it to see what the model # is... |
| 02:42.27 | omoore | minipanda: it was from best buy |
| 02:42.34 | minipanda | omoore: thanks :-) |
| 02:42.36 | lion | can anybody tell me how do i get to a linux console on a factory image |
| 02:42.40 | lion | z5500 |
| 02:42.44 | omoore | minipanda: i use both at diff locations.. AP at home... add-hoc to laptop on road |
| 02:42.49 | polin8 | ambicon wl1100c |
| 02:42.53 | polin8 | works well with OZ |
| 02:43.12 | omoore | lion: there is a console on myzaurus.com |
| 02:43.12 | polin8 | lion: install the sharp package for the console |
| 02:43.24 | lion | thanx |
| 02:43.30 | omoore | lion: or.. you can google "zaurus software index" to see a ton of other software including the terminal app |
| 02:43.38 | lion | thanx |
| 02:43.43 | omoore | (go to the "zaurus software index" page |
| 02:43.46 | omoore | ) |
| 02:43.49 | polin8 | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 02:44.17 | minipanda | omoore: give me some information about their price :-) thanks, i live in beijing china! |
| 02:44.39 | *** join/#zaurus noidd (~arse@66-193-15-64.gen.twtelecom.net) |
| 02:44.42 | noidd | Greetings |
| 02:45.00 | noidd | Flash for Konq on the Zaurus - does it exist? is it a sillidea? :-D |
| 02:45.07 | omoore | minipanda: polin8 was correct wl1100c-cf runs $79 |
| 02:45.08 | noidd | sillY idea |
| 02:45.49 | |ryan| | oh, bugger |
| 02:45.57 | treke|home | it exists |
| 02:46.00 | treke|home | and it is a silly idea |
| 02:46.06 | polin8 | heh |
| 02:46.12 | minipanda | omoore: god! ! !! !! the zaurus only cost me $259 but the wireless CF worth $79? |
| 02:46.22 | noidd | I guess if they do it for the pocket PC, the performance cant be *that* bad can it? |
| 02:46.29 | treke|home | sure it can |
| 02:46.31 | |ryan| | minipanda: Poke around |
| 02:46.44 | |ryan| | there are frequently rebates for wireless cards |
| 02:47.03 | |ryan| | usualy $10 - $15 |
| 02:47.07 | minipanda | omoore: too expensive! maybe i just need to find another more cheaper card instead! |
| 02:47.22 | omoore | minipanda: maybe |
| 02:47.32 | rev | anyone know of a really low power 802.11b card? |
| 02:47.38 | minipanda | |ryan|: sounds good! |
| 02:47.42 | rev | or rather, what chipsets are good for power usage? |
| 02:47.55 | omoore | rev: not the ambicom.. but it's formfactor rocks |
| 02:48.00 | |ryan| | rev the symbol/socket ones |
| 02:48.04 | minipanda | omoore: |ryan| : en! low power is very important either! ! |
| 02:48.22 | omoore | rev: dlink makes one that is low power.. but only problem is.. it's head is so freaking big it covers the stylus |
| 02:48.52 | rev | hrmm |
| 02:48.53 | |ryan| | what's nice about the ambicom one? |
| 02:48.53 | omoore | minipanda: didn't say it was bad on bat.. just a bit more hungry than the dlink unit (which was cheaper) |
| 02:48.56 | rev | not good :P |
| 02:49.18 | |ryan| | er, the form factor? |
| 02:49.21 | omoore | rev: no kidding.. sucked.. bought it.. inserted it then though "holy crap"! |
| 02:49.25 | rev | heh |
| 02:49.26 | rev | bummer |
| 02:49.33 | omoore | |ryan|: very small |
| 02:49.35 | rev | i don't suppose you can get 802.11b SD cards, right? :P |
| 02:49.57 | rev | ah i see |
| 02:50.03 | rev | it is all wide on the antenna part |
| 02:50.06 | minipanda | omoore: |ryan|: why there still an hacker write some driver for an CF host card for zaurus? |
| 02:50.11 | omoore | it only sticks out about a .5 inch and is slim as the part that goes in the z.. no "bulb" at the top |
| 02:50.25 | rev | not at all? |
| 02:50.29 | |ryan| | omoore: oh, nice |
| 02:50.31 | minipanda | i think if we got an usb host on zaurus! then we can do everything! |
| 02:50.32 | rev | http://www.mobilelinktech.com/shop/wlan/wl0cfab101.htm |
| 02:50.34 | rev | like that one? |
| 02:50.36 | arete | linksys's new wcp12 is nice |
| 02:50.37 | omoore | and the ambicom unit has great range |
| 02:50.38 | rev | minipanda: indeed |
| 02:50.41 | rev | too bad we don't :/ |
| 02:50.45 | arete | its small and supposedly has good battery |
| 02:50.50 | rev | ah |
| 02:50.55 | rev | have to lookinto that one |
| 02:50.57 | omoore | i can go to the curb and still get a strong signal |
| 02:51.06 | rev | wowza |
| 02:51.08 | omoore | (hence the wep) :) |
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| 02:51.16 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 02:51.24 | rev | yo tc |
| 02:51.31 | |ryan| | rev: that's about the same size as my netgear |
| 02:51.35 | rev | mmhmm |
| 02:51.37 | minipanda | oh! openzaurus 3.2 final! :-)? |
| 02:51.39 | omoore | and when i add-hoc with my laptop (using a linksys unit).. i can get a signal from the ground floor (w/laptop on 2nd floor) |
| 02:51.52 | omoore | i just had OZ 3.2 installed. it rocks |
| 02:51.57 | minipanda | omoore: you can act as an spy! :-) |
| 02:51.58 | rev | i have to try OZ |
| 02:52.06 | rev | does OZ come with a default web browser? |
| 02:52.10 | noidd | treke: any pointers as to where I could find this abomination? |
| 02:52.12 | noidd | :-) |
| 02:52.16 | arete | I got one for $59 with instant rebate at compusa |
| 02:52.21 | omoore | only thing that sucked is the one app that just can't suck.. the recorder app (can't for my purpose anyway)... |
| 02:52.32 | rev | ok, i've a dumb question |
| 02:52.34 | omoore | rev: you can install konqueror viat the package utility |
| 02:52.41 | rev | where the hell is the mic on the Z?! |
| 02:52.47 | polin8 | is the stable feed 3.2 now? |
| 02:52.49 | rev | i made a recording, but it was all just blank |
| 02:52.59 | |ryan| | rev: there is no mic |
| 02:53.01 | TCMAN | rev: good question :) you need external mic i think |
| 02:53.08 | rev | wtf |
| 02:53.14 | rev | why bother bundling a recording app?! |
| 02:53.15 | TCMAN | rev: it plugs into headphones port |
| 02:53.16 | rev | ok, brb |
| 02:53.18 | rev | pffft |
| 02:53.25 | rev | and switch between headphones and mic constantly? |
| 02:53.26 | polin8 | the left earphone of a headset works as the mic |
| 02:53.27 | rev | retarded |
| 02:53.32 | |ryan| | plug one into the headphone port |
| 02:53.34 | rev | oi |
| 02:54.09 | TCMAN | my casio had mic :) though i didnt use recorder at all :) |
| 02:54.20 | omoore | rev: you need a mic |
| 02:54.47 | minipanda | omoore: is that ambicom's consump very low power ? |
| 02:54.50 | omoore | rev: i need the recording app for a business reason.. and the OZ version blows.. but everything else .. EVERYTHING rocked |
| 02:55.18 | omoore | minipanda: put it this way.. w/out nic.. i can go 8-10 hours |
| 02:55.21 | minipanda | omoore: how many hours can you using zaurus with a wireless connection |
| 02:55.23 | omoore | minipanda: with the nic.. i can go about 3 |
| 02:55.37 | TCMAN | minipanda: about 1.5hr before battery dies |
| 02:55.45 | omoore | TCMAN: not on mine |
| 02:55.48 | minipanda | omoore: :-( seems very .... |
| 02:56.01 | TCMAN | omoore: what wifi card do you have ? |
| 02:56.15 | omoore | TCMAN: but then.. i work off the laptop via vncserver... and have the light turned off for a good chunck of the time |
| 02:56.16 | polin8 | it actually works out nicely to use the headphone, if I wear them around my neck the earphone is close enough to my mouth to record |
| 02:56.47 | *** part/#zaurus StevePS (~thedark@nat202-100.mpoweredpc.net) |
| 02:56.48 | minipanda | polin8: show me some pic about you wearing that staff! :-) |
| 02:56.51 | omoore | i only have the light on if i'm away from the latpop.. so my time would be better |
| 02:57.27 | TCMAN | omoore: yeah, backlight needs lots of energy too |
| 02:58.07 | minipanda | omoore: i've turned the light down to the most dark level |
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| 02:58.23 | TCMAN | omoore: i have seen nice extended battery for Toshiba E740 at Fry's, why doesnt sharp come out with such accessory ? :( |
| 02:59.02 | arete | I'm gonna get a centrino laptop |
| 02:59.07 | arete | 7 hours of battery, yumm |
| 02:59.59 | omoore | TCMAN: the 5600 will have a 1700ma bat... the 5500 only has like 950 |
| 03:00.01 | TCMAN | arete: will centrino work in linux ? |
| 03:00.25 | TCMAN | omoore: you think its possible to fit 5600 battery into 5500 ? |
| 03:00.26 | arete | sure, its just fancy marketing for a new mobile pentium processor, chipset and 802.11b |
| 03:00.42 | TCMAN | arete: yes, especially this 802.11b |
| 03:01.04 | TCMAN | arete: lately i got two wifi pcmcia cards based on some weird chipsets and not supported in linux |
| 03:01.21 | arete | yeah could be, I'm gonna get a thinkpad without the intel 802.11b |
| 03:01.27 | arete | the key part is just the new pentium |
| 03:01.30 | arete | very well designed apparently |
| 03:01.36 | TCMAN | arete: new dlink dwl-650 and some trendnet crap |
| 03:01.56 | |ryan| | TCMAN: TI acx100? |
| 03:02.00 | TCMAN | my tosh can do like 8 hours with extended batter :) but its heavy |
| 03:02.01 | minipanda | omoore: so how about buy a 5600's bat to replace the 5500's bat? |
| 03:02.06 | |ryan| | it's the DWL-650+ |
| 03:02.10 | polin8 | minipanda: http://home.etria.org/~bskahan/headphone.png |
| 03:02.15 | arete | I have a POS SMC card with some lousy chipset |
| 03:02.17 | TCMAN | |ryan|: yup i guess so |
| 03:02.24 | arete | but there is a linux driver finally |
| 03:02.25 | |ryan| | it uses a ti chipset that does PBCC for 22mbps mode |
| 03:02.42 | TCMAN | its DWL-650 (without +) and its still damn TI chipset |
| 03:02.51 | |ryan| | A binary linux driver exists.... |
| 03:02.52 | TCMAN | new version of DWL-650 is not prism 2 based |
| 03:02.56 | |ryan| | TCMAN: really? |
| 03:02.59 | arete | I'm a prism convert |
| 03:03.01 | arete | buy senao cards |
| 03:03.02 | arete | yumm, 200mw |
| 03:03.06 | |ryan| | heh |
| 03:03.12 | gaurdian | D-Link 660W works fine |
| 03:03.13 | TCMAN | |ryan|: yes, i know, but i am running 2.4.20 |
| 03:03.36 | TCMAN | i got another netgear ma401 |
| 03:03.37 | |ryan| | TCMAN: the binary linux driver is pretty broked |
| 03:04.15 | TCMAN | i have dlink dcf650 too, but its too big and blocks stylus, so i got netgear ma701 |
| 03:04.25 | omoore | minipanda: ok.. so you updated to 2.38 and could no longer sync with qtopia on linux.. right? |
| 03:04.36 | omoore | minipanda: (back to my original issue :-) ) |
| 03:04.38 | TCMAN | the sony wl100 looks cool, but i dont know if it works in linux |
| 03:05.11 | omoore | minipanda: i'm going to reflash with OZ... anyone know if the recorder app from the Sharp ROM enviro will work under Oz? |
| 03:05.18 | TCMAN | |ryan|: yeah, i hunted for it for couple hours and then it didnt work, screw them, i returned the cards and said i dont like it because it doesnt work in linux |
| 03:06.13 | omoore | TCMAN: heh... kills me that some of the wireless cf cards have such a big freaking head... stupid when you are talking about a pda nic |
| 03:06.32 | omoore | goofy b@trds |
| 03:06.46 | *** part/#zaurus mamaeh (~mamaeh@linha413.swi.com.br) |
| 03:06.55 | TCMAN | interesting, buy it now prices on ebay for Zs are now around 200 - 250 level, could HSN deal be responsible for this ? :))) |
| 03:07.19 | arete | hope I get more than that for my c700 |
| 03:07.23 | arete | its the only one on ebay |
| 03:07.32 | TCMAN | omoore: actually it worked nicely in casio (casio is wider) and it has big antenna and better range than netgear |
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| 03:07.53 | TCMAN | arete: you have c700 on ebay ? |
| 03:08.08 | omoore | TCMAN: well.. i'll stick with my slimline ambicom that gets awsome range |
| 03:08.17 | arete | yeah |
| 03:08.23 | arete | just put it up, put the URL here a bit ago |
| 03:08.31 | gaurdian | why you selling it ? |
| 03:08.35 | arete | not good for anything |
| 03:08.45 | TCMAN | arete it doesnt show up in any search |
| 03:08.47 | gaurdian | what ya mean ? |
| 03:08.52 | omoore | arete: what's a c700? |
| 03:08.57 | TCMAN | arete: damn, my wife will not allow me to buy it :( |
| 03:09.00 | high-rez | Hi, I'm trying to get darkice working on the zaurus. I've cross compiled it but when I run it I was getting illegal instruction. I added some debugging lines (couts) and now I'm getting a segfault. To me this looking like i'm stack thrashing - any suggestions? |
| 03:09.10 | gaurdian | paste the url |
| 03:09.12 | arete | I wanted a nice PDA but things run slowly on the c700 |
| 03:09.14 | arete | and the apps suck |
| 03:09.26 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 03:09.40 | gaurdian | how much ya think ya will get ? |
| 03:09.44 | TCMAN | arete: xscale is supposed to have problems, but is it THAT bad ? |
| 03:09.45 | arete | hopefully at least like $500 |
| 03:10.01 | gaurdian | heh |
| 03:10.03 | TCMAN | i have seen one c700 on ebay that went for around 550 |
| 03:10.03 | arete | dunno if its the xscale or soemthing else |
| 03:10.06 | gaurdian | good luck |
| 03:10.17 | gaurdian | so is it s;lower than the 5500 ? |
| 03:10.18 | arete | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3016217632&category=15030 |
| 03:10.19 | TCMAN | arete whats the item number ? |
| 03:10.33 | arete | guardian: extremely, especially with TKC apps |
| 03:10.43 | arete | there seem to be library issues because the built in apps run fast |
| 03:10.44 | arete | like the browser |
| 03:11.07 | gaurdian | well, the tkc apps arent even made for it yet...tkc is gonna work on that |
| 03:11.15 | high-rez | Ant devs that can help me out here? :) |
| 03:11.19 | high-rez | Any even |
| 03:11.31 | TCMAN | arete: where did you buy it? dynamism ? |
| 03:11.36 | arete | they actually released builds for some of the apps |
| 03:11.39 | gaurdian | hows battery life ? |
| 03:11.40 | arete | including tkctodo which is what I use |
| 03:11.45 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 03:11.51 | arete | instead of being insanely bloody slow its just bloody slow |
| 03:11.53 | arete | tcman: yeah |
| 03:11.57 | mutexer | high-rez: depends on the problem |
| 03:12.09 | omoore | arete: wow.. it' looks cool.. surprized it's slow with the proc it's got... |
| 03:12.22 | omoore | arete: the 5x00's are faster than it? |
| 03:12.32 | omoore | arete: that surprises me |
| 03:12.44 | arete | well depends on the app |
| 03:12.53 | arete | haven't tried the browser on a 5x00 |
| 03:12.58 | arete | but I suspects is faster on the c700 because its very fast |
| 03:13.06 | gaurdian | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3016217632&category=1503 |
| 03:13.10 | TCMAN | i guess i will stay on 5500 till pxa255 based c700 |
| 03:13.11 | gaurdian | ooppss |
| 03:13.34 | arete | I'm considering the new toshiba e750 |
| 03:13.39 | high-rez | mutexer: I'm trying to cross compile darkice for the sl-5500 (arm). It compiles fine, and initially starts up fine but then SIGILL (illegal instruction). I added some cout's to figure out where this was happening and now I get segfault. I guess I'm thrashing the stack, but I really don't know where to go from there. :) |
| 03:13.43 | arete | has a pxa255 and is suppose to be much faster |
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| 03:14.18 | gaurdian | 6 days eh ? |
| 03:14.34 | arete | well 7... just put it up |
| 03:14.34 | TCMAN | arete: tosh looks nice, but runs wince :( |
| 03:14.40 | TCMAN | arete: and no keyboard |
| 03:14.40 | arete | hehe I like wince =P |
| 03:14.54 | gaurdian | well, I will keep eye on it but Its not worth 500 to me |
| 03:15.02 | high-rez | mutexer: I can't get a stack trace cause I can't get the object/source files to fit on the zaurus. |
| 03:15.03 | TCMAN | arete: i had casio e-105 (wince 2.11) and e-115 (wince 3.0) and i like zaurus more |
| 03:15.24 | mutexer | high-rez: does it run in the qvfb on your PC? |
| 03:15.30 | gaurdian | I would be interested to know if it syncs with Outlook though, which I need |
| 03:15.42 | high-rez | mutexer: Its a console app. |
| 03:15.52 | arete | I have a casio em-500 |
| 03:16.04 | arete | its a great pda and the sad thing is that the new ones seem slower |
| 03:16.16 | arete | all those bells and whistles microsoft added to the UI |
| 03:16.18 | high-rez | (it does however compile and run fine under x86) |
| 03:16.42 | TCMAN | arete: actually cpu is faster than e-105/e-115 but framebuffer access is slower |
| 03:16.51 | high-rez | mutexer: I assume I'm doing something wrong cross compiling (never cross compiled an app before) but I'm not sure what. |
| 03:16.58 | mutexer | Ive had problems too with it running fine on X86 ands segfaults on Zaurus |
| 03:17.09 | arete | I suspect those MIPS chips were way beter than intel crap anyway |
| 03:17.14 | arete | intel always hoses whatever they touch |
| 03:17.18 | gaurdian | arete , well I will keep a eye on it, but I doubt I will bid 500 |
| 03:17.24 | mutexer | usually memory related stuff... the cross compile will actually catch dumb hard to find mistakes |
| 03:17.36 | arete | guardian: well bid $400 and maybe you'll get lucky -=P |
| 03:17.39 | TCMAN | arete: actually those mips chips have 64bit registers and instruction set :) |
| 03:17.42 | gaurdian | would need to check what tkc has for it also |
| 03:17.52 | gaurdian | well, we will so |
| 03:17.52 | TCMAN | arete: pocketmvp uses it, so its really good on mips |
| 03:17.54 | gaurdian | see even |
| 03:18.08 | arete | tcman: *nod* seem like good chips |
| 03:18.11 | arete | but they didn't scale I gues |
| 03:18.17 | high-rez | mutexer: Like when include <stdio.h> for example, how does it know to look in /opt/Embedix/... ? I assume the compiler just knows to look there (i aliased all the arm-linux binaries to their local counterparts) |
| 03:18.18 | arete | guardian: maybe OZ will be better when it runs on it |
| 03:18.38 | gaurdian | I have a 5500 currently, so kinda depends if its worth upgrading or not |
| 03:18.42 | high-rez | mutexer: I assume if its working off the wrong system headers it'll tell me right ? |
| 03:18.48 | arete | I'd say no =) |
| 03:18.52 | gaurdian | hows battery life and if I can sync with outlook with it |
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| 03:19.01 | TCMAN | arete: i think AMD makes MIPS CPUs for PDAs now (ATI for set top boxes) |
| 03:19.04 | gaurdian | do you know if I can do that ? |
| 03:19.10 | arete | battery life seems decent |
| 03:19.12 | arete | never really tested |
| 03:19.15 | mchang | hey everyone |
| 03:19.17 | arete | but I'd say like 3 hours with the screen on bright |
| 03:19.24 | gaurdian | how many MA is the batt ? |
| 03:19.25 | arete | believe it syncs with outlook |
| 03:19.26 | TCMAN | where can i get sl-5600 battery ? |
| 03:19.31 | arete | all the software is in japanese though so its hard to tell |
| 03:19.34 | arete | guardian: same as 5500 |
| 03:19.38 | arete | 700 or wahtever |
| 03:19.51 | TCMAN | arete: isnt c700 battery the same as sl5500 ? |
| 03:19.57 | gaurdian | hmm.....if its same as 5500, its not that great |
| 03:20.00 | arete | yeah |
| 03:20.10 | arete | and the screen isn't reflective |
| 03:20.24 | gaurdian | are the card slots (SD and CF) on the side ? |
| 03:20.26 | arete | effy-kun has one, you can ask him |
| 03:20.29 | TCMAN | gaurdian: there is some article on the net on adapting sl-5600 battery for c700 |
| 03:20.30 | arete | and a few other people |
| 03:20.36 | arete | hehe well which side? |
| 03:20.45 | arete | the sd slot is by the screen hinge |
| 03:20.49 | gaurdian | not reflective ? meaning what ? |
| 03:20.50 | arete | the cf slot is on the end |
| 03:20.56 | gaurdian | ok |
| 03:21.01 | arete | the screen is a standard backlight tft that you can't view in the sun |
| 03:21.13 | gaurdian | ahh, like the 5500 also |
| 03:21.14 | TCMAN | gaurdian: 5500 has mirror beneath the screen and backlight on the side |
| 03:21.15 | arete | its sharp's new extremely high density technology |
| 03:21.20 | arete | doesn't the 5500 work in the sun? |
| 03:21.27 | fliplap | yes, very well |
| 03:21.41 | TCMAN | gaurdian: not reflective means the backlight is beneath the screen, it looks better in rooms, stinks outdoors |
| 03:21.49 | gaurdian | well, I have a 5500 here, its all about convincing the money keeper to get it :) |
| 03:21.50 | fliplap | TCMAN: which would make it a side light :-) |
| 03:22.13 | TCMAN | casios have nice HAST screens that are beautiful indoors and totally black outdoors :( |
| 03:22.24 | TCMAN | fliplap: yes :) |
| 03:22.26 | arete | guardian: unless you have the budget for a really bad gadget habit I'd say don't =) |
| 03:22.26 | gaurdian | well, I out it on watch, see what happens |
| 03:22.34 | gaurdian | oh |
| 03:22.50 | gaurdian | that bad eh ? I actually like the 5500, it does what I want nicely |
| 03:23.04 | arete | well the c700 doesn't really do anything better |
| 03:23.06 | arete | sure it has a pretty screen |
| 03:23.08 | arete | and a better keyboard |
| 03:23.11 | arete | thats about it |
| 03:23.18 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 03:23.27 | arete | keyboard is really nice |
| 03:23.31 | TCMAN | i guess i'll wait for next version of c700 |
| 03:23.32 | arete | feels nice |
| 03:23.53 | gaurdian | well, re the keyboard, how would you hold it and type ? |
| 03:24.01 | arete | thumbs |
| 03:24.14 | gaurdian | like the 5500 then |
| 03:24.18 | arete | yeah |
| 03:24.22 | arete | it just has bigger keys with a nicer feel |
| 03:24.34 | chouimat | gaurdian: by using whaat we call a finger |
| 03:24.59 | gaurdian | well, we will see... |
| 03:25.19 | high-rez | any dev gods here want to win my admiration to help me figure out this stack thrashing problem? :) |
| 03:25.28 | gaurdian | if it stays around 300, might peak my interest |
| 03:25.33 | arete | hehe |
| 03:25.37 | arete | that hurts |
| 03:25.47 | gaurdian | nothing personal, its business |
| 03:26.14 | arete | *lol* |
| 03:26.16 | TCMAN | gaurdian: judging from other auctions i have seen it will be more that $500 |
| 03:26.43 | gaurdian | well, I dont see any other c700's for auction, but thats ok also... |
| 03:26.44 | TCMAN | gaurdian: but around $300 you'll have to battle with me :) |
| 03:26.59 | TCMAN | gaurdian: there was one around 3 - 4 weeks ago |
| 03:27.04 | gaurdian | Oh, I am willing to go a bit higher, just saying |
| 03:27.14 | gaurdian | what it go for TCMAN ? |
| 03:27.31 | TCMAN | gaurdian: i dont remember exactly, but around $550 |
| 03:27.34 | arete | hehe tc, is that your bid? |
| 03:27.35 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 03:27.48 | gaurdian | well, I wont go for that, to much to upgrade for me |
| 03:27.58 | gaurdian | just not worth it to me |
| 03:28.00 | TCMAN | arete: nah, i dont bid until 10 secs before end of the auction :) |
| 03:28.04 | arete | *laugh* |
| 03:28.11 | rev | anyone know if you can get a bigger external kb for the Z? |
| 03:28.11 | gaurdian | TCMAN , you also ? |
| 03:28.22 | TCMAN | gaurdian: sniper corps :) |
| 03:28.38 | |ryan| | rev: No, but there are drivers for IR keyboards |
| 03:28.41 | mchang | any suggestions for games on the z? |
| 03:28.44 | TCMAN | gaurdian: how lame, (but i used winning bid pro for a while) :) |
| 03:28.54 | |ryan| | tickypip! |
| 03:28.56 | gaurdian | not lame at all.. |
| 03:28.58 | rev | hrmm, IR, most curious |
| 03:29.09 | gaurdian | effective |
| 03:29.14 | rev | i'd like to adapt a newton kb, but who knows about making an IR interface for that |
| 03:29.17 | mchang | |ryan|: Heh... just looked at it. funny |
| 03:29.28 | omoore | mchang: get install OZ if your into games |
| 03:29.28 | TCMAN | gaurdian: what do you use for sniping ? |
| 03:29.46 | omoore | mchang: many many games compared to the Sharp ROM |
| 03:29.47 | mchang | omoore: oz3.2 already loaded + hancom + opera |
| 03:29.52 | rev | then it could be used as a 'real' computer |
| 03:29.54 | omoore | mchang: ahh :) |
| 03:29.54 | TCMAN | did anyone get quake working ? i installed it and data and it cannot find data file, |
| 03:30.09 | rev | bummer |
| 03:30.36 | mchang | any other suggestions? |
| 03:30.56 | TCMAN | mchang: check zsi, there is bunch of games there |
| 03:31.11 | mchang | TCMAN: yep -- but it's hard to tell which ones people like ;) |
| 03:31.19 | omoore | is there an app to make a cf flash image of your current setup? |
| 03:31.20 | rev | is it hard to modify the ROM for ones own end? |
| 03:31.29 | rev | a why a CF image? |
| 03:31.33 | rev | or do you mean a ROM image? |
| 03:31.50 | TCMAN | mchang: missile command is nice :) mahjongg is a god thing, though tiles could look little better |
| 03:31.54 | omoore | rev: cf image to flash.. wan to replicate it over several units |
| 03:32.05 | mchang | TCMAN: coo |
| 03:32.05 | rev | ah cool |
| 03:32.59 | gaurdian | I use Auction Sentry |
| 03:33.19 | TCMAN | gaurdian: never heard of it, is it free ? |
| 03:33.26 | gaurdian | nope, 10$ |
| 03:33.53 | TCMAN | gaurdian: try wbid.sf.net |
| 03:34.05 | gaurdian | I used to be a big seller on ebay about a year ago... |
| 03:34.41 | TCMAN | gaurdian: ah, i mostly buy stuff, i sold maybe 5 items |
| 03:35.11 | TCMAN | 219+, 177 unique, 1- :) |
| 03:35.28 | gaurdian | I sold a little over 1000 alpha multias there in the last year or so, but supplier ran out |
| 03:35.53 | TCMAN | gaurdian: 1000 multias ? damn i always wanted alpha box :) |
| 03:36.12 | gaurdian | bought them in lots of 100 for 25$ each stripped and sold fpor 75-150 |
| 03:36.25 | TCMAN | gaurdian: nice business |
| 03:36.52 | fliplap | uhg, my mind isn't clear enough for calculus tonight |
| 03:37.37 | TCMAN | fliplap: so here is question, what is derivative of a party ? :) |
| 03:37.39 | gaurdian | it was, I ended up buying out the entire stock, made a deal with the supplier where I would buy em and resell em and they would drop ship |
| 03:37.55 | TCMAN | gaurdian: great |
| 03:37.58 | fliplap | TCMAN: depends on what you're drinking |
| 03:38.02 | *** join/#zaurus STrRedWolf (~tygris@cmu-24-35-62-41.mivlmd.cablespeed.com) |
| 03:38.03 | gaurdian | eventually they sold em all |
| 03:38.12 | TCMAN | fliplap: its the amount of alcohol you can buy for returned bottles |
| 03:38.17 | fliplap | heh |
| 03:38.19 | TCMAN | fliplap: now what is a good party ? |
| 03:38.34 | TCMAN | fliplap: when second derivative is more than 0 :) |
| 03:38.38 | gaurdian | Yea worked out nice, I lowered my profit a bit because they charged a bit more but I dident have to have storage space |
| 03:38.41 | fliplap | heh |
| 03:39.30 | TCMAN | yup, like Dell :) |
| 03:39.37 | gaurdian | funny thing was, they were stripped units, MB case cpu and that was IT |
| 03:40.10 | rev | sorry to ask this yet again- but what is a good CF card for the Z? I am interested in mostly a good battery life- someone reccomended the WCF12, but that looks like it sucks batt like mad |
| 03:40.17 | gaurdian | no memory, hd or anything else but people saw "Alpha" and jumped all over em |
| 03:40.32 | gaurdian | all satasfied customers also |
| 03:40.37 | arete | rev: I don't have any personal experience but have read that the WCF12 gets as good life as the symbol/sockets |
| 03:40.44 | arete | which are the best afaik |
| 03:40.49 | rev | oh yeah? ok |
| 03:40.51 | rev | hrmm |
| 03:41.01 | arete | the wcf11 wasn't as good |
| 03:41.12 | gaurdian | I had one guy bid one up to 300$, I couldent believe it, I even called him and said you know these are stripped right, no mem or anything and he said yes |
| 03:41.50 | rev | arete: ah ok- i was just reading a review and someone had said it sucks battery- but he may be an anaomoly |
| 03:41.59 | arete | oh well |
| 03:42.00 | arete | could be =) |
| 03:42.13 | rev | with a pda with so little battery as it is, i'm paranoid |
| 03:42.52 | arete | well 802.11b takes a lot of power any way you look at it |
| 03:42.59 | rev | yeah :( |
| 03:43.10 | gaurdian | so arete , where in the country are you if I win ? |
| 03:43.15 | arete | phoenix |
| 03:43.22 | arete | says in the ad =) |
| 03:43.25 | gaurdian | cool...Oregon here so nice shipping |
| 03:43.34 | arete | yeah its small anyway |
| 03:43.38 | gaurdian | true |
| 03:43.45 | rev | do SD cards have variable speeds like CF cards do |
| 03:43.45 | arete | I'm also selling a powerbook |
| 03:43.48 | arete | thats gonna be expensive to ship |
| 03:43.52 | rev | not that bad |
| 03:44.01 | gaurdian | whats url for powerbook ? |
| 03:44.13 | gaurdian | and why you selling it ? |
| 03:44.17 | STrRedWolf | What modle of Apple Powebook? |
| 03:44.19 | arete | its slow too =P |
| 03:44.25 | arete | 2nd rev 667 |
| 03:44.31 | gaurdian | stats ? |
| 03:44.37 | arete | unomomento |
| 03:44.51 | gaurdian | I know nothing about apple so that would be a new one for me |
| 03:44.55 | TCMAN | rev: socket low power card is supposed to be the best |
| 03:45.03 | rev | TCMAN: thanks again man |
| 03:45.15 | arete | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14909&item=3410382315&rd=1 |
| 03:45.19 | arete | this was my first Mac |
| 03:45.23 | arete | I really loved it for a while |
| 03:45.26 | rev | your last mac now? |
| 03:45.28 | arete | the OS is awsome and the design is stunning |
| 03:45.34 | arete | na if they ever get a new architecture I'll buy a new one |
| 03:45.35 | *** join/#zaurus ChrisH_ (~chaas@gw.workaround.org) |
| 03:45.40 | arete | but the G4 is sooo outdated |
| 03:45.58 | rev | i may be an oddity |
| 03:46.02 | gaurdian | what ya thinking of getting for it ? |
| 03:46.07 | rev | but for me, raw performance is a pretty small part of the equation |
| 03:46.19 | arete | well its not raw performance but every day usage that bugs me |
| 03:46.31 | arete | my 1.2ghz p3 laptop is so so much faster for web browsing |
| 03:46.32 | rev | it's like, i could have a 3 ghz pc running linux, but in the end, i'll work slower- and that does me no good |
| 03:46.33 | gaurdian | wont run OSX eh ? |
| 03:46.40 | rev | gaurdian: no, it does |
| 03:46.46 | rev | he means hw archetecture |
| 03:46.58 | rev | my primary machine is a 500 MHz G3 |
| 03:47.02 | arete | it has the latest osx installed |
| 03:47.08 | arete | 1 gig of ram |
| 03:47.17 | arete | osx needs looots of ram |
| 03:47.26 | rev | i have 320 MB for OS X |
| 03:47.32 | gaurdian | so how much ya wanting to get for it ? |
| 03:47.34 | rev | enough fer me, but it is a lot of RAM |
| 03:47.44 | omoore | well. hell... |
| 03:48.04 | TCMAN | i wanted OQO too but i think its not going to happen, so i am saving for vaio U3 |
| 03:48.10 | rev | yeah |
| 03:48.12 | omoore | i installed OZ.. everything rocked... except for the recorder app.. which blows |
| 03:48.13 | rev | a shame |
| 03:48.29 | rev | i saw on newmobilecomputing.com a link to brighthand... they piushed it ack again from April to October :( |
| 03:48.32 | omoore | unfortunately that is a deal breaker for me... so... i dl'd the latest sharp rom... |
| 03:48.42 | rev | NMC is run by OSNews, PDA equivalent of it |
| 03:48.45 | arete | guardian: I expect at least 2k |
| 03:49.01 | omoore | flashed the Z.. all worked well.. except... qtopiadesktop can't connect to it ... so to confirm nothing was wrong... |
| 03:49.10 | rev | the OQO is like the perfect computer for me, except for the small part that it can't be obtained |
| 03:49.16 | gaurdian | well, like I said I will watch the c700 |
| 03:49.18 | arete | hehe yeah the OQO is cute |
| 03:49.27 | omoore | i flashed again with OZ.. qtopia works with it.. so is the 'old' sharp rom available for dl? anyone know what the deal is? |
| 03:49.35 | arete | guardian: hehe, too much? |
| 03:49.45 | arete | apple hardware is costly and keeps its value pretty well |
| 03:49.58 | TCMAN | omoore: there is 2.37 and 2.38 available for d/l on myzaurus.com |
| 03:49.58 | omoore | is the "latest" (actually it's been around for some time) sharp rom not compatible with qtopiadesktop for linux? |
| 03:49.59 | gaurdian | I dont want a apple that bad |
| 03:50.05 | arete | yeah |
| 03:50.07 | rev | macs keep value surprisingly well |
| 03:50.12 | arete | anyway you could get an ibook for like $999 new |
| 03:50.12 | omoore | TCMAN: couldn't find 2.37.. i'll look again |
| 03:50.18 | arete | not that much slower unless you are doing photoshop |
| 03:50.22 | gaurdian | so where on tkc site do you see they support the 700 yet ? |
| 03:50.26 | TCMAN | omoore: but 2.38 has fixed sd support |
| 03:50.29 | rev | i bought a G4/400 a few years back for $1500, and sold it for almost 2 years later for $1200 |
| 03:50.33 | rev | truly amazing |
| 03:50.50 | arete | I'll be lucky to get half what I paid for this one |
| 03:50.58 | omoore | TCMAN: is 2.37 what originally came on the 5500? |
| 03:51.19 | arete | guardian: under there embedded section there is a drop down list for versions |
| 03:51.20 | TCMAN | omoore: it depends on production date |
| 03:51.22 | arete | check tkctodo |
| 03:51.30 | TCMAN | omoore: my 5500 from hsn came with 2.38 |
| 03:51.33 | rev | arete: what did you pay for it? |
| 03:51.41 | arete | rev: $4k |
| 03:51.44 | TCMAN | omoore: but i flashed it with oz the next day |
| 03:51.50 | rev | i paid $1200 for this iBook 2 years ago... i could still get around $600 for it |
| 03:51.55 | TCMAN | omoore: and i never tried syncing with anything |
| 03:52.09 | arete | I really like the mac |
| 03:52.17 | arete | and its nice to get away from the monopoly |
| 03:52.21 | rev | well |
| 03:52.26 | rev | i use a mac because i'm pragmatic |
| 03:52.29 | TCMAN | arete: apple IS A MONOPOLY |
| 03:52.29 | omoore | maybe i'll just try to reflash with 2.38 while i hunt down 2.37 |
| 03:52.36 | rev | the Mac OS is far from my ideal OS, but it's the best thing i can get for now |
| 03:52.41 | arete | apple isn't a monopoly |
| 03:52.46 | arete | a monopoly has control of an entire market |
| 03:52.48 | rev | haha |
| 03:52.49 | rev | yeah |
| 03:52.52 | TCMAN | omoore: i think you should stay with OZ :) |
| 03:53.03 | TCMAN | arete: apple has control of entire mac market |
| 03:53.13 | rev | no they don't |
| 03:53.13 | arete | heh the mac market is part of the PC market |
| 03:53.18 | rev | you can get non-apple PPC boards |
| 03:53.22 | rev | and run OS X on them under linux |
| 03:53.29 | rev | but yet, yeah, macs are in the PC market |
| 03:53.30 | omoore | TCMAN: i want to .. really.. but the recorder app must be a good app for my needs.. the OZ vmemo blows.. |
| 03:53.34 | arete | thats like saying dell is a monopoly |
| 03:53.37 | arete | because no one else sells dell computers =P |
| 03:53.41 | TCMAN | rev: there have been mac clones only for couple years |
| 03:53.41 | rev | hehe |
| 03:53.42 | rev | too true |
| 03:53.46 | rev | no |
| 03:53.55 | rev | there have been mac clones since ... 1990? |
| 03:53.55 | TCMAN | omoore: work a little to fix it |
| 03:53.58 | rev | maybe 92? |
| 03:53.58 | omoore | TCMAN: everything else rocks my world :) but i gotta have a good voice recording app.. it's for my docs |
| 03:54.10 | rev | but in any case, even if there weren't, wouldn't be a monopoly |
| 03:54.19 | arete | proprietary and monopoly are different |
| 03:54.20 | TCMAN | rev: they have licenses for couple years and then revoked them |
| 03:54.31 | arete | apple might be ok with the new architecture they are workign on |
| 03:54.32 | rev | for the Mac OS |
| 03:54.40 | arete | ibm chips and upgraded chipsets |
| 03:54.45 | TCMAN | propietary is just a way to lock in market and have monopoly in it |
| 03:54.54 | rev | which they licensed out to companies like Mot and PowerComputing for modification on their own machines |
| 03:55.15 | arete | but I don't expect to see new powerbooks with the new architecture for ay ear |
| 03:55.15 | rev | so anything proprietary is automatically a monopoly? |
| 03:55.19 | arete | thats way too long to wai |
| 03:55.20 | omoore | yeah.. until they started getting their clocks cleaned by the clones (hmmm.. atack of the clones?) |
| 03:55.23 | arete | so I'm going with a thinkpad |
| 03:55.26 | rev | which new archetecture? G5/970? |
| 03:55.34 | TCMAN | in pc space there is lot of competition and nice notebook costs half of apple price |
| 03:55.39 | arete | na |
| 03:55.41 | rev | umm |
| 03:55.45 | arete | a competitive PC notebook is nearly the same price |
| 03:55.56 | arete | apple crams a ton of stuff into theirs |
| 03:56.01 | omoore | TCMAN: at least flashing doesn't take long :) |
| 03:56.03 | arete | some stuff PC notebooks are only now getting |
| 03:56.07 | rev | what PC notebook costs half of that of an iBook but does the same stuff/has the same features? |
| 03:56.16 | rev | a $500 used winbook? |
| 03:56.39 | arete | PC notebooks are just now getting gigabit ethernet |
| 03:56.43 | arete | embedded wireless |
| 03:56.46 | TCMAN | rev: that lindows notebook looked like good deal |
| 03:56.47 | arete | fast ports |
| 03:57.01 | TCMAN | arete: who has gigabit switches ? |
| 03:57.09 | rev | it's almost impossible to get a PC laptop that is cheapish *and* relatively small like the ibook |
| 03:57.14 | arete | tcman: most workplaces? |
| 03:57.23 | rev | anything under 1200 on the PC seems to be 1.5" thick and 7 lbs |
| 03:57.27 | TCMAN | arete: i have one direct gigabit connection to my firewall/server at home and thats it |
| 03:57.52 | TCMAN | arete: i dont know, i work in silicon valley and everything i have seen ony 100mbit |
| 03:58.06 | arete | well isn't everyone in SV bankrupt these days? =) |
| 03:58.07 | rev | TCMAN: yeah, that lindows book looked interested- wonder if anyone got one? |
| 03:58.14 | TCMAN | gigabit ethernet totally maxes out pci bandwidth |
| 03:58.25 | gaurdian | what lindows notebook ? |
| 03:58.50 | rev | lindows.com |
| 03:58.59 | arete | didn't they come out and say that it wasn't gonna be available? |
| 03:59.03 | rev | heh |
| 03:59.03 | rev | prolly |
| 03:59.52 | TCMAN | rev: well, i am pretty happy with my $380 tosh 3480ct with 600mhz p3 |
| 04:00.00 | rev | good |
| 04:00.01 | rev | :) |
| 04:00.08 | rev | i'm not saying you should sell it and buy a mac |
| 04:00.12 | TCMAN | gaurdian: they have nice small and thing notebook there |
| 04:00.14 | arete | really, centrino notebooks are the first to compete with mac laptops |
| 04:00.23 | rev | but unless you buy something used, it's hard to get a non-shit PC laptop for $1k :) |
| 04:00.28 | arete | and the new thinkpad I'm gonna get beats the powerbook bloody and runs it over twice |
| 04:00.29 | rev | centrino? |
| 04:00.31 | rev | who makes those? |
| 04:00.41 | fliplap | intel |
| 04:00.45 | arete | its intels latest marketing garbage |
| 04:00.46 | rev | ah the cpu |
| 04:00.52 | arete | cpu + chipset + wireless |
| 04:01.04 | arete | they shortened the pipeline and reduced the voltage of a new pentium design |
| 04:01.11 | arete | runs at 1.6ghz |
| 04:01.17 | omoore | TCMAN: can you show me the link to 2.37 on myzaurus.com? |
| 04:01.18 | arete | competes with 2.4ghz p4 |
| 04:01.22 | omoore | TCMAN: i can't find it |
| 04:01.25 | rev | kind of fell behind after high school, more interested in doing work rather than the computers themselves |
| 04:01.31 | TCMAN | arete: actually, they added one pipeline stage to p3 :) |
| 04:01.35 | rev | arete: that muich more MIPS/mhz? |
| 04:01.55 | arete | yeah it benchmarks really well |
| 04:02.07 | rev | it very well looks like they may have stropped the Lindows laptop |
| 04:02.15 | rev | the place that sold it has a mention of it no longer |
| 04:02.29 | arete | http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1801 |
| 04:02.40 | TCMAN | 'http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate3.asp |
| 04:02.43 | rev | nuts |
| 04:03.09 | TCMAN | omoore: first link in download section :) |
| 04:03.12 | arete | the thinkpad is quoted 7 hours battery |
| 04:03.16 | rev | wow |
| 04:03.18 | arete | real world tests show 6 |
| 04:03.21 | omoore | thx |
| 04:03.23 | rev | that is sweet |
| 04:03.31 | rev | about time PCs started getting decent battery |
| 04:03.33 | arete | build in bluetooth, 802.11b (and a, yuck) |
| 04:03.40 | arete | and its very small and light |
| 04:03.45 | arete | 4.9 pounds with optical drive |
| 04:03.54 | rev | nice |
| 04:03.56 | arete | 1400x1050 rez |
| 04:03.59 | rev | cool |
| 04:04.27 | arete | even if a new powerbook comes out with a 970, its probably gonna have a small 1200x900 screen |
| 04:04.34 | TCMAN | why lindows.com tries to run some damn activex controls ? :) |
| 04:04.47 | rev | ewww |
| 04:04.59 | rev | arete: why? |
| 04:05.06 | arete | well thats what the rumor sites say =P |
| 04:05.07 | rev | i mean, why wouldn't apple continue to move forward? |
| 04:05.15 | arete | well it is a minor upgrade from the current =P |
| 04:05.18 | rev | are the rumor sites saying they're coming out with a 970-based PB soon? |
| 04:05.22 | arete | na |
| 04:05.30 | arete | desktops and servers near the fall |
| 04:05.59 | arete | but powerbook screen tech moves glacially |
| 04:06.13 | rev | stability's a bitch |
| 04:06.25 | rev | i wonder if a 970-based will be out that soon |
| 04:08.14 | arete | apple better hope |
| 04:08.20 | rev | indeed |
| 04:08.25 | arete | they've been dragging out the death of the g4 for a looong time |
| 04:08.35 | arete | I'm still kicking myself for buying the 667 |
| 04:09.06 | arete | although I admit I had a lot of fun on it |
| 04:09.09 | arete | osx is so beautiful |
| 04:09.09 | rev | wished you would've never got it, or waited until the 970s? |
| 04:09.14 | rev | in manay ways |
| 04:09.20 | arete | and I have an ipod |
| 04:09.38 | rev | i would like a more modern OS, but it's aobut the most modern available now, so i suppose i shouldn't complain |
| 04:10.24 | arete | gonna have to get a pcmcia firewire card |
| 04:11.24 | TCMAN | rev: difference is like 20 - 30 minutes of runtime |
| 04:11.39 | TCMAN | rev: there was comparison of 3 cf cards on the net |
| 04:11.50 | arete | tcman: really? I've heard that the wpc12 has similar power saving to socket |
| 04:11.51 | rev | i could also spend that huge diff any buy a second battery |
| 04:11.58 | rev | TCMAN: have a link? |
| 04:12.06 | TCMAN | rev: i figured out that its better to get some extra battery or something |
| 04:12.07 | arete | wer wcf whatever |
| 04:12.11 | rev | yeah |
| 04:12.18 | rev | i think it just might be |
| 04:12.26 | rev | and end up with 2x the batt life rather than 20-30 mins more |
| 04:12.38 | TCMAN | i saw the link on slashdot in original HSN article |
| 04:12.40 | rev | i sure wish all these so-called 'modern' PDAs were more modern than my old Newton |
| 04:12.45 | arete | hehe |
| 04:12.45 | rev | TCMAN: ok, i'll look through that |
| 04:12.54 | arete | yea pda tech is pitiful |
| 04:13.03 | arete | especially on the palm side |
| 04:13.12 | rev | big time on the POS side |
| 04:13.13 | TCMAN | http://www.trowcom.co.uk/Z-Batt.htm |
| 04:13.28 | fliplap | i dunno man, my zaurus is a lot more useful to me than a newton ever was |
| 04:13.34 | gaurdian | I use a Dlink 660W |
| 04:13.35 | rev | i mean, i get at lesat 6-8 hours of b attery life with my Newton running on a WaveLAN Gold PCMCIA card |
| 04:13.50 | rev | i still am taking notes on my Newton |
| 04:13.53 | rev | the zaurus sucks for that |
| 04:14.02 | rev | eventually I'll write a semi-decent notes app |
| 04:14.05 | arete | newton has a nice big screen too |
| 04:14.08 | fliplap | thats because the newton is huge :-) there's a lot of room for a battery |
| 04:14.09 | rev | but until then, i'm stuck |
| 04:14.12 | rev | arete: indeed |
| 04:14.17 | rev | well, the battery isn't tons more huge |
| 04:14.20 | arete | I think pdas will go away for laptops |
| 04:14.24 | rev | it's about twice in size, 4xAAs |
| 04:14.27 | arete | the new japanese ultralights are tiiiiiny |
| 04:14.35 | fliplap | i disagree, i have both a laptop and a PDA |
| 04:14.41 | rev | a Newton 2100 is immensely useful |
| 04:14.45 | rev | i do too |
| 04:14.46 | rev | but |
| 04:14.58 | rev | i would replace the 2 PDAs and the iBOok with something like the OQO in a second |
| 04:15.06 | rev | which can be a desktop, PDA, or Laptop |
| 04:15.07 | fliplap | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.08 | rev | in one device |
| 04:15.13 | rev | yeah |
| 04:15.14 | rev | same here |
| 04:15.16 | arete | 3 pounds is a lot |
| 04:15.20 | rev | but will |
| 04:15.22 | fliplap | um |
| 04:15.26 | fliplap | 3lbs isn't a lot |
| 04:15.32 | rev | i carry Jornada 720 around a lot of places |
| 04:15.35 | arete | japanese have them at 2 |
| 04:15.35 | rev | and that's about 1 lb |
| 04:15.42 | fliplap | exactly |
| 04:15.43 | rev | but with the KB, it's a pain to use as a PDA |
| 04:15.47 | TCMAN | i want vaio U3, i saw one at GDC and i wanted to assault this guy and steal it :) |
| 04:15.59 | arete | yeah u3 is 1.8lb |
| 04:16.05 | fliplap | its a 1lb difference, and that 1lb adds massive amount of usability |
| 04:16.15 | fliplap | i don't know if you've ever used a U3, but i did at defcon |
| 04:16.16 | rev | if i will carry a laptop around everywhere, it has to be able to morph into a PDA-form one way or another |
| 04:16.26 | fliplap | and it wasn't pleasent |
| 04:16.43 | arete | why not? |
| 04:16.44 | rev | the ideal PDA would be for me something that has a folding ability like the C700 (or the KB could detatch rather than hide), and be about the size of a Newton 2100 |
| 04:16.45 | fliplap | the nice thing about PDAs is you can turn them on and off without using massive amounts of battery |
| 04:16.46 | TCMAN | fliplap: what wasnt pleasant ? |
| 04:16.49 | rev | maybe a bit thinner |
| 04:17.02 | fliplap | arete: because its tiny, and the mouse is down right annoying |
| 04:17.03 | rev | fliplap: i do that with my iBook |
| 04:17.05 | arete | well nothing saying laptops can't have instant on |
| 04:17.10 | fliplap | its this little circle thing |
| 04:17.11 | rev | it can sleep for weeks |
| 04:17.22 | rev | so it does have almost instant on |
| 04:17.35 | rev | takes 2 seconds instead of 0.5 secs, but better compared to the other options i guess |
| 04:17.36 | fliplap | and its above the keyboard |
| 04:17.40 | arete | yeah |
| 04:17.47 | arete | osx has great sleep features |
| 04:17.50 | fliplap | i'd never want to use that on a constant basis |
| 04:17.55 | arete | I have to wait a couple of minutes to use my Xp laptop when it boots |
| 04:18.03 | polin8 | anyone install opie-console from the 3.2 feed? |
| 04:18.04 | arete | most of that time is ipsec re-establishing though |
| 04:18.06 | TCMAN | fliplap: yeah, but i use wireless optical mouse with my notebook, except when i am really moving |
| 04:18.19 | TCMAN | i liked mouse on my old omnibook 800ct |
| 04:18.40 | arete | powerbook is usable in seconds |
| 04:18.42 | arete | stupid microsoft |
| 04:18.43 | rev | fliplap: why not? |
| 04:18.48 | rev | you're afraid of sleeping? |
| 04:18.54 | fliplap | rev: what? |
| 04:19.01 | fliplap | i was talking about the mouse on the U3 |
| 04:19.06 | rev | AHHA |
| 04:19.07 | rev | sorry |
| 04:19.08 | rev | ;P |
| 04:19.25 | fliplap | heh, no, i suspend my laptop all the time |
| 04:19.37 | gaurdian | heh, just finished building my kids system.. |
| 04:19.43 | fliplap | i can't see sticking the u3 in my pocket all the time either |
| 04:20.00 | rev | nope |
| 04:20.04 | fliplap | my guess isn't so much that laptop will replace PDAs, but that the line between them will become very blurry |
| 04:20.06 | arete | well I haven't yet met a PDA thats comfy in my pocket either |
| 04:20.08 | TCMAN | fliplap: i always wear cargo pants, :)))) |
| 04:20.16 | rev | hell |
| 04:20.20 | arete | most people seem to carry backpacks these days |
| 04:20.22 | rev | i even fit my Newton into one of my pants |
| 04:20.24 | fliplap | TCMAN: i used to, until i started having to goto meetings |
| 04:20.36 | rev | but the Z is too big for your pockets?! |
| 04:20.45 | fliplap | eh? |
| 04:20.48 | TCMAN | fliplap: i havent seen anyone in the valley wearing a suit :) |
| 04:20.49 | gaurdian | arete , I pout my 5500 in either coat or jacket pocket fine |
| 04:21.01 | rev | same here |
| 04:21.05 | fliplap | again, talking about the u3 |
| 04:21.12 | arete | yeah can put a lot of nice stuff in coat pockets |
| 04:21.12 | rev | fliplap: i was talking to arete |
| 04:21.14 | arete | but I don't wear a coat |
| 04:21.20 | arete | rev: well it fits but its bloody uncomfy |
| 04:21.20 | rev | <arete>well I haven't yet met a PDA thats comfy in my pocket either |
| 04:21.27 | rev | really? |
| 04:21.31 | fliplap | TCMAN: not just a suit, but business casual dress doesn't allow for cargo pants |
| 04:21.33 | rev | have tight nerd pants? ;) |
| 04:21.36 | gaurdian | whats the size of the c700 btw / |
| 04:21.38 | TCMAN | i should get some belt pouch for Z |
| 04:21.43 | rev | hehe |
| 04:21.55 | arete | no but I don't have baggy wannabe-negro pants either |
| 04:22.07 | arete | guardian: its shorter and a little wider than the 5500 |
| 04:22.16 | rev | i have a 21-pocket fishing best that carries my newton +cd player+etc great |
| 04:22.17 | TCMAN | fliplap: well, i bough one black pants that have stealth pocket on thigh |
| 04:22.19 | rev | wannabe-negro pants |
| 04:22.35 | fliplap | TCMAN: all my dockers are the hidden pocket ones |
| 04:22.37 | polin8 | I keep my zaurus in my back pants pocket or inside jacket pocket |
| 04:22.41 | TCMAN | fliplap: its like cargo pants pocket but inside :) with zipper and totally invisible |
| 04:22.44 | fliplap | but i'm not about to try to fit a U3 in them |
| 04:23.04 | TCMAN | fliplap: yeah, u3 is probably too big for that |
| 04:23.48 | arete | I don't even like to carry my 100g phone in my cargo pockets |
| 04:23.55 | fliplap | depending on where i'm going and what i'm doing i have a little black bag i bring with me |
| 04:23.56 | arete | its annoying to have the weight hanging there |
| 04:24.11 | fliplap | if i'm gonig to need my camera, Z, phone, stuff like that |
| 04:24.26 | fliplap | it looks like a small messenger bag sorta |
| 04:24.32 | arete | yeah thats what I use |
| 04:24.39 | arete | pda, phone, couple of books |
| 04:24.43 | TCMAN | i think some belt pouches are the best because waits doesnt move that much when walking, compared to thigh |
| 04:24.47 | arete | the only thing I carry around on me is my sidekick |
| 04:24.58 | arete | and thats only at work because I never know when I'll be bagged for a meeting and need the diversion |
| 04:25.31 | fliplap | i hate belt pounches |
| 04:25.41 | arete | sidekick is the best device made to date |
| 04:25.48 | gaurdian | sidekick ? |
| 04:25.52 | TCMAN | fliplap: afraid of looking geeky ? :) |
| 04:25.52 | arete | danger hiptop? |
| 04:25.57 | arete | sidekick is t-mobile's name |
| 04:26.02 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 04:26.05 | fliplap | yes |
| 04:26.13 | fliplap | i am afraid of looking geeky |
| 04:26.15 | gaurdian | arete , url for it ? |
| 04:26.36 | gaurdian | I have verizon actually |
| 04:26.44 | fliplap | i've seen other Z users, not specificly any of you, but those guys are _scary_ |
| 04:26.50 | arete | http://www.t-mobile.com/products/overview.asp?phoneid=165302 |
| 04:27.12 | arete | its amazing because its always on the network |
| 04:27.17 | *** join/#zaurus TDT (~TDT@2001:470:1f00:893:2e0:29ff:fe6d:f1c3) |
| 04:27.19 | arete | I don't like disconnected devices anymore |
| 04:27.27 | arete | I do a lot of web browsing, email, and some IM on it |
| 04:27.28 | TDT | Does the zaurus allow for ipv6 address assignment? |
| 04:27.35 | fliplap | yeah, i was thinking about getting one of those |
| 04:27.39 | fliplap | TDT: sure |
| 04:27.44 | arete | its the best money I've ever spent on a gadget |
| 04:27.45 | fliplap | TDT: its linux :-) |
| 04:27.50 | arete | and cheap too |
| 04:28.02 | arete | though the monthly bills add up |
| 04:28.03 | TDT | fliplap: I tried assigning with the ipconfig wlan..., but I was unable to get it to "stick" |
| 04:28.10 | TDT | i modprobed ipv6 before hand as well |
| 04:28.21 | arete | sidekick has unlimited free data |
| 04:28.31 | arete | and server side bits that compress everything for you |
| 04:28.32 | arete | so its fast |
| 04:28.37 | fliplap | TDT: ifconfig device add ad:re:ss/mask |
| 04:28.43 | arete | and the UI is designed so very well |
| 04:28.44 | arete | danger rocks |
| 04:28.56 | gaurdian | but I am dumping it and getting a smaller phone soon |
| 04:29.21 | arete | i dont use the phone though |
| 04:29.38 | arete | have a nrew panasonic gd87 =) |
| 04:29.44 | arete | best phone ever |
| 04:30.13 | gaurdian | thinking of the kyocera 2535 |
| 04:30.22 | TDT | fliplap: odd it's still not holding |
| 04:30.29 | fliplap | "holding"? |
| 04:30.36 | gaurdian | I dont have a land line though, just 2 cell phones |
| 04:30.55 | gaurdian | well, I use my cell to make fax calls also |
| 04:30.57 | fliplap | yeah, i don't have a landing either |
| 04:31.12 | fliplap | although i have access to one if i need to dialup to something |
| 04:31.14 | TDT | fliplap: yeah, it's not sticking...it's not applying the settings in other words |
| 04:31.55 | gaurdian | but the 2535 has a cable that will connect to the Z :) |
| 04:31.55 | arete | I wanted to drop my land line but mobile isn't reliable enough where I live |
| 04:32.07 | *** join/#zaurus Bala (~Bala@hsdbsk142-165-147-230.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 04:32.09 | arete | http://www.panasonic.com/PCSC/PTSC/gu87.asp |
| 04:32.14 | gaurdian | drop mobile then |
| 04:32.23 | TCMAN | i cancelled cable, threw away wintv card and got netflix subscription for half the price of cable :) |
| 04:32.30 | fliplap | i dropped my landline, and i hardly carry my mobile with me |
| 04:32.35 | arete | no, instead I have two mobile phones and a landline =) |
| 04:32.55 | fliplap | i just don't want to be that connected |
| 04:33.01 | arete | I like being connected |
| 04:33.06 | arete | I have so many email addresses |
| 04:33.12 | fliplap | connected when i want to me connected |
| 04:33.25 | arete | at any given moment you can reach me via 3 phone numbers, instant email, sms, instant messaging |
| 04:33.35 | gaurdian | heh |
| 04:33.41 | gaurdian | screw that |
| 04:34.07 | gaurdian | I own a business and I am not THAT connected |
| 04:34.11 | TCMAN | somebody started sending tons of spam with my @yahoo.com return address and i keep getting bounces and remove requests, funny :) |
| 04:34.18 | arete | ouch |
| 04:34.31 | treke|home | not that I ever answer my phone. Its a cordless that gets charged once a month :) |
| 04:34.32 | gaurdian | you can use CF for that |
| 04:34.34 | arete | spammers should be shot |
| 04:34.36 | TCMAN | rev: dont ever use flash for swap |
| 04:34.44 | rev | too slow? |
| 04:34.51 | arete | rev: it'll burn out real fast |
| 04:34.53 | rev | ah |
| 04:34.54 | TCMAN | rev: swap does lots of writes, so it burns your flash |
| 04:35.00 | rev | SD is a non-flash media? |
| 04:35.01 | treke|home | nah |
| 04:35.03 | TCMAN | rev: get microdrive for that |
| 04:35.04 | arete | its flash |
| 04:35.06 | treke|home | dont shoot spammers |
| 04:35.06 | TCMAN | sd is flash media |
| 04:35.10 | arete | microdrive will burn out too though |
| 04:35.11 | rev | i thought it was |
| 04:35.20 | rev | but can't use it on the Z |
| 04:35.28 | rev | without having it hangout like a goofball |
| 04:35.33 | treke|home | just say mean things to them |
| 04:35.39 | TCMAN | rev: get cf->pcmcia adapter |
| 04:35.43 | arete | no they should be shot like rabid dogs |
| 04:35.46 | arete | in public executions |
| 04:35.53 | arete | along with all the other refuse of society |
| 04:35.55 | TCMAN | die spammers die |
| 04:36.01 | rev | TCMAN: i know, we went over this. ;P but it doesn't seem practical. |
| 04:36.03 | fliplap | i got on a spammers case once |
| 04:36.08 | fliplap | i saw him at frys |
| 04:36.11 | rev | heh |
| 04:36.21 | fliplap | asking if they sell lists of thier customers email addresses |
| 04:36.36 | TCMAN | damn |
| 04:36.52 | TCMAN | you should have killed him on sight :) |
| 04:37.11 | fliplap | i was all "Why would you need them? Do you really think any of us want your crap?" |
| 04:37.23 | minipanda | rev: ibm have releaed an CF card can store 1G |
| 04:37.28 | rev | yeah |
| 04:37.35 | TCMAN | all the little bad karma points for every spam they send should result in slow painful death |
| 04:37.39 | rev | minipanda: but that is probably 4x the cost/GB than the slick PCMCIA i have |
| 04:37.40 | minipanda | rev: only $79 in china! |
| 04:37.49 | rev | ok, only 2x in cost |
| 04:37.53 | rev | but what about in the states? ;P |
| 04:37.54 | arete | those pcmcia harddrives are neat |
| 04:37.56 | arete | fast too I've hear |
| 04:37.56 | minipanda | rev: ? are u sure? |
| 04:37.57 | arete | ed |
| 04:37.58 | rev | minipanda: are you in china? |
| 04:38.07 | minipanda | rev: i live in Beijing |
| 04:38.08 | rev | the 2 GB PCMCIA drive was $80 |
| 04:38.10 | rev | ah cool |
| 04:38.17 | fliplap | spammers just don't care, thats thing |
| 04:38.20 | rev | minipanda: but then i can't use a CF wireless card :( |
| 04:38.21 | TCMAN | minipanda: is SARS that bad there ? |
| 04:38.21 | fliplap | that the thing even |
| 04:38.39 | TCMAN | there was 2GB PCMCIA drive on overstock or tigerdirect for $80 |
| 04:38.44 | fliplap | they see it as a legit marketing tool, no different from a billboard, just cheaper |
| 04:38.47 | minipanda | rev: so you need to buy a pcmcia card and driver! |
| 04:39.06 | minipanda | TCMAN: en, that's an political secerts here! :-) |
| 04:39.10 | rev | TCMAN: i got it at bestbuy, no sales no overstocks |
| 04:39.14 | minipanda | TCMAN: i'm not very clear about that! |
| 04:39.30 | treke|home | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25631.png |
| 04:39.31 | rev | minipanda: huh? i have the PCMCIA card, and there are built-in drivers... but i need both a wireless connection and more memory |
| 04:39.32 | treke|home | hmmmm |
| 04:39.38 | TCMAN | minipanda: ok, np |
| 04:39.44 | rev | minipanda: too bad the Z doesn't have PCMCIA and CF instead of CF and SD |
| 04:39.53 | fliplap | people say "i don't want your crap" and they say "so delete the email, it only takes a second" and you say "not if i get hundreds of them" and they say "Well its not my fault other people send you email too" |
| 04:40.10 | treke|home | damn. a closed source app |
| 04:40.13 | arete | I think of spammers more as criminals |
| 04:40.25 | treke|home | nah |
| 04:40.31 | treke|home | they are just misunderstood |
| 04:40.31 | fliplap | i just think of them as slimeballs |
| 04:40.37 | rev | damn |
| 04:40.41 | arete | they are worthless scum |
| 04:40.42 | fliplap | since the products they sell are complete crap |
| 04:40.43 | rev | 512 MB SD cards, almost $500 |
| 04:40.45 | arete | should be shot |
| 04:40.47 | arete | clean the gene pool |
| 04:40.48 | TCMAN | when i get 500 bounces daily its not little annoyance anymore |
| 04:40.58 | treke|home | once again with the shooting. thats rather harsh |
| 04:41.07 | rev | it doesn't clean the gene pool if they've already reproduced |
| 04:41.14 | fliplap | they like to think of themselves as businessmen |
| 04:41.19 | treke|home | the saying mean things was a good solution. lets keep it up |
| 04:41.21 | minipanda | TCMAN: but how can you get some information about SARS here? |
| 04:41.24 | arete | it'll keep them from having more kids |
| 04:41.24 | TCMAN | treke|home: yeah, just beating with a baseball bat seems more right |
| 04:41.25 | rev | a lot of so called "businessmen" do a lot of evil things |
| 04:41.34 | fliplap | that have found a cheaper way to advertise, they don't care if it costs others money |
| 04:41.37 | treke|home | violence just isnt the solution here |
| 04:41.38 | fliplap | rev: exactly |
| 04:41.39 | TCMAN | minipanda: all i know is from cnn |
| 04:41.42 | rev | spammers are the least of our worries if we're going to worry about evil captialists |
| 04:41.47 | rev | i mean, yes, spammers suck |
| 04:41.50 | fliplap | and then at another you think, businessmen lie a lot, what trash |
| 04:41.59 | fliplap | and then you think how selfish they are |
| 04:42.03 | treke|home | rev has the right idea here |
| 04:42.08 | rev | but given the choice, i'd rather have a spammer than a murderer |
| 04:42.09 | fliplap | and then you figure out EVERYONE is like that |
| 04:42.13 | rev | like so many businessfolk are |
| 04:42.19 | rev | fliplap: a bit of a slipery slope |
| 04:42.20 | arete | don't need to make that choice though |
| 04:42.21 | arete | shoot em both |
| 04:42.21 | minipanda | TCMAN: cnn and our gover... both of them are always glad to tell the lies! |
| 04:42.27 | rev | you can run a business without being a dick |
| 04:42.32 | fliplap | and then you decide peole are completely evil |
| 04:42.35 | TDT | lol my zaurus install just got wasted...how funny |
| 04:42.38 | rev | heh |
| 04:42.38 | fliplap | not just business people |
| 04:42.42 | fliplap | but everyone |
| 04:42.47 | rev | TDT: spill some everclear into the CF slot? |
| 04:42.48 | treke|home | you are just mean people |
| 04:42.49 | TDT | did a net update, and it won't boot now...gives me good choice to go and get 3.2 anyways |
| 04:43.09 | gaurdian | nothing wrong with owning a business |
| 04:43.10 | fliplap | and then you remember, there's no escape |
| 04:43.14 | minipanda | rev: C700 is more powerful! and i'm little regret of brouhgt an sl5500 :-( |
| 04:43.16 | fliplap | so you learn to deal with it |
| 04:43.23 | TCMAN | minipanda: there are notices not to travel to asia, unless really necessary |
| 04:43.25 | arete | after the first wave of spammers are left in shallow graves spam will stop |
| 04:43.30 | arete | its a wonderful solution |
| 04:43.31 | fliplap | but people are still very evil |
| 04:43.46 | rev | minipanda: not much more powerful though |
| 04:43.48 | arete | they can take up selling drugs instead |
| 04:43.54 | TCMAN | anti spam final solution! |
| 04:43.54 | rev | minipanda: it is about the same |
| 04:44.07 | minipanda | TCMAN: :-( there are notices not to IRAQ but their troopers are still glad to visit that country! :-( |
| 04:44.23 | fliplap | but all animals are, they think of it as survival, but humans have decided that they need more than living, they need material possesions |
| 04:44.34 | minipanda | rev: Xsale seems more powerful and support 640x480 |
| 04:44.40 | TCMAN | minipanda: hehe, i guess iraq is more unhealthy now :) |
| 04:44.44 | gaurdian | nothing wrong with material possessions either |
| 04:44.46 | fliplap | so they fuck each other all day long, trying to obtain those things |
| 04:44.47 | arete | heh iraq was never very healthy |
| 04:45.06 | rev | minipanda: the screen would be nice, yes, but the actualyscreen isn't larger by much... higher DPI, but you don't seem to really be able to take advantage of the higher res |
| 04:45.13 | fliplap | its really disturbed |
| 04:45.29 | arete | rev: higher rez is great for web browsing and ebooks I've found |
| 04:45.30 | fliplap | treke|home: i'm not claiming to be better than anyone else |
| 04:45.35 | rev | minipanda: from what I've seen, the Xscale is about the same as the 206 MHz SA... sure, it has a higher MHz, but a much lower MIPS/MHz ratio |
| 04:45.38 | arete | web browsing is neat because you see images in all their glory |
| 04:45.39 | minipanda | rev: c700 can convert it screen 180! |
| 04:45.40 | fliplap | i'm just pointing out things |
| 04:45.47 | rev | minipanda: so can the zaurus ;) |
| 04:45.53 | rev | minipanda: er, i mean the 5500 |
| 04:46.16 | fliplap | its all very sad, this is an aweful little planet, if something doesn't stop us we're going to destroy everything |
| 04:46.21 | minipanda | rev? but my sl5500 seems can not do that ! that's need software support! |
| 04:46.34 | rev | i would've gotten a C700 if the CPU was quite a bit faster than the 206 MHz SA for running Squeak |
| 04:46.36 | minipanda | but rev: the c700 's keyboard support that mode! |
| 04:46.37 | rev | minipanda: mine can! |
| 04:46.37 | fliplap | frankly it wouldn't be a big loss if the human race was destroyed tomorrow |
| 04:46.44 | TheMasterMind1 | http://command.com |
| 04:46.52 | TCMAN | fliplap: yeah, we should put more research into space program |
| 04:46.58 | arete | I second that |
| 04:47.01 | fliplap | TCMAN: no, we shouldn't |
| 04:47.06 | arete | get the heck off this mudball before muslims blow it up |
| 04:47.09 | fliplap | it will just give us more things to destroy |
| 04:47.10 | rev | minipanda: yes, but the SL-5500 screen does it now, and you could has an external KB- one that allowed you to type faster than the C700s! :) |
| 04:47.11 | minipanda | rev: i can believe that your keyboard can convert 180 agnel with your screen! |
| 04:47.20 | TCMAN | fliplap: yeah, so we can build star destroyers, and rule the galaxy |
| 04:47.22 | rev | minipanda: not my kb, just the screen. :P |
| 04:47.26 | fliplap | yeah great, we destroy one planet, lets move onto the next |
| 04:47.32 | treke|home | works for me |
| 04:47.34 | TCMAN | fliplap: destroying one planet wont be a big deal then |
| 04:47.34 | rev | we can go wreck them all |
| 04:47.39 | arete | there are lots of planets |
| 04:47.41 | rev | crackers united in stupidity! |
| 04:47.43 | minipanda | rev: really? sound good! where can i found the external KB? for sl5500? |
| 04:47.52 | minipanda | TCMAN: where are u living? |
| 04:48.06 | fliplap | arete: amazing how well we've adapted to live on this one...only to ruin it |
| 04:48.10 | rev | minipanda: i was going to make one out of a newton keyboard, there are drivers floating around. :) but not sure about a ready-to-go solution |
| 04:48.13 | TCMAN | silicon valley |
| 04:48.17 | fliplap | and its modern man thats done the worst obviously |
| 04:48.25 | minipanda | TCMAN: there are still many forgein friends live in beijing very well these days! :-) |
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| 04:48.29 | fliplap | its my fault too, and all of yours |
| 04:48.30 | TCMAN | minipanda: valley does a lots of business with asia |
| 04:48.40 | rev | "modern" man |
| 04:48.42 | rev | such an oxymoron |
| 04:48.44 | arete | well I don't particularly want to live in some sort of primitive hunter gatherer society |
| 04:48.46 | gaurdian | fliplap , well you know YOU are part of the ptroblem, so why dont you give up whatever you do for a living and go live in a cave somewhere ? |
| 04:48.47 | TCMAN | minipanda: and some people are scared |
| 04:48.47 | treke|home | well either we find a solution or we die |
| 04:48.54 | arete | if destroying the world is what it takes then good riddance |
| 04:48.57 | fliplap | gaurdian: would be nice huh? |
| 04:49.05 | treke|home | something will come after us |
| 04:49.06 | rev | you don't have to live ina cave to live sustainably |
| 04:49.08 | fliplap | gaurdian: but it wouldn't accomplish much |
| 04:49.14 | TCMAN | command.com is great |
| 04:49.16 | gaurdian | would suck...ypu go right ahead, I will stay here and run my business |
| 04:49.27 | rev | j00 capitalist p1g d0g |
| 04:49.30 | rev | see |
| 04:49.33 | Bala | :) |
| 04:49.37 | rev | i would move into the woods with my Zaurus |
| 04:49.41 | rev | and a solar panel |
| 04:49.42 | arete | hehe |
| 04:49.45 | rev | and just code all day |
| 04:49.49 | minipanda | TCMAN: you can just added both new form chinese gove.. and your CNN together and divide them! then you get the truth of fact! |
| 04:49.50 | rev | hell |
| 04:49.50 | arete | coding on a zaurus would suck |
| 04:49.52 | rev | i do that already! |
| 04:49.56 | rev | arete: i do it |
| 04:50.07 | fliplap | would any of you be disappointed if this species got wiped out tomorrow? |
| 04:50.10 | arete | yeah well people use to code with manual switches too |
| 04:50.16 | arete | I like my species |
| 04:50.16 | treke|home | fliplap: no. |
| 04:50.17 | gaurdian | yea, I would bother me |
| 04:50.17 | minipanda | TCMAN: i hate an sillicon company named broadcom there! :-( very much! |
| 04:50.19 | treke|home | fliplap: I'd be dead |
| 04:50.20 | rev | i coded a lot of the PDA os/environment i work on entirely on a Jornada 720 (which has a touch-typeable keyboard) and an iPAQ w/ HWR |
| 04:50.29 | rev | i'd be disapointed |
| 04:50.31 | fliplap | treke|home: exactly the point i was getting to |
| 04:50.31 | treke|home | as would everyone else. |
| 04:50.33 | rev | because i know we can do better |
| 04:50.40 | rev | provided i have the capacity to be disapointed |
| 04:50.43 | fliplap | no, you wouldn't, because you'd be dead |
| 04:50.48 | treke|home | At that point it would all be a rather moot point |
| 04:50.48 | fliplap | frankly i can die happy |
| 04:50.50 | rev | well yeah |
| 04:51.00 | arete | maybe you'd be a disappointed ghost |
| 04:51.05 | rev | heh |
| 04:51.09 | TCMAN | minipanda: whats wrong with broadcom ? |
| 04:51.23 | fliplap | i wouldn't, the key is to have been with 2 women at the same time |
| 04:51.29 | minipanda | TCMAN: their technique support are really bad! |
| 04:51.32 | rev | or have enough morphine to hold out for a while |
| 04:51.42 | minipanda | TCMAN: my project almost aborted by that reason! ;-( |
| 04:51.42 | arete | I'd take one super model over two ordinary women any day |
| 04:51.52 | fliplap | then you don't have to die thinking "damn, i've never been with two women at the same time" |
| 04:52.03 | TCMAN | minipanda: yeah, thats possible :) |
| 04:52.20 | minipanda | TCMAN: do you very familiar their products? |
| 04:52.23 | rev | anyone know if you can use a SL-5600 battery in a 5500? |
| 04:52.28 | arete | rev: I need at least a big enough screen to run emacs =P |
| 04:52.36 | fliplap | rev: i was wondering that too |
| 04:52.40 | fliplap | arete: VI! |
| 04:52.41 | chouimat|Zzzzz | arete: I was married with a model.... listen to me take two ordiinary ... they can speak with eacch other after ... |
| 04:52.43 | TCMAN | minipanda: not really, they do some networking and mpeg2 stuff, right ? |
| 04:52.43 | arete | eww |
| 04:52.43 | fliplap | hehe :-) |
| 04:52.49 | minipanda | TCMAN: not the broadcom but the sibyte! |
| 04:52.52 | rev | the newton worked great for emacs too, via telnet |
| 04:52.56 | fliplap | boooo emacs....goooo vi! |
| 04:53.06 | minipanda | rev: can jornada run 640X240? |
| 04:53.17 | rev | minipanda: it does run 640x240 |
| 04:53.27 | rev | it has a 480x320 screen that displays 100x40 or so well |
| 04:53.37 | TCMAN | minipanda: sorry, i never heard about sibyte |
| 04:53.39 | rev | ^^ (newton, not jornada) |
| 04:53.41 | arete | chouimat: maybe you just picked the wrong one =P |
| 04:53.42 | minipanda | rev: sl5600's bat is bigger than sl5500? i mean the phycical size? |
| 04:53.47 | arete | I'll take my chances |
| 04:54.03 | rev | minipanda: not sure about physical- it has a higher rating though ... 1700 mwa instead of 950 |
| 04:54.05 | minipanda | TCMAN: are u heard of BCM 1250? |
| 04:54.23 | minipanda | rev: that possbile! |
| 04:54.41 | fliplap | i hoping its the same size, i wonder if the 5600 actually requires more power tho |
| 04:54.46 | rev | minipanda: it is possible, but i do not know if it fits in |
| 04:54.47 | minipanda | rev: i can cut the sl5600's bat to let it fit my sl5500 |
| 04:54.59 | TCMAN | minipanda: nope, i never heard of it |
| 04:55.01 | rev | fliplap: perhaps, but it is not much different... just a bit more ram, yes? |
| 04:55.03 | treke|home | its physically bigger |
| 04:55.04 | fliplap | minipanda: it depends on the voltage as well |
| 04:55.10 | treke|home | rev: less ram |
| 04:55.12 | rev | minipanda: why would you want to cut it? then you'd have a broken battery! :P |
| 04:55.12 | treke|home | more flash |
| 04:55.13 | fliplap | rev: and an xscale processor |
| 04:55.16 | treke|home | different cpu |
| 04:55.19 | rev | treke|home: ah |
| 04:55.22 | arete | xscale uses less power really |
| 04:55.25 | rev | but the Xscale uses less power |
| 04:55.25 | rev | yeah |
| 04:55.31 | TCMAN | if i could shave sl-5600 battery to fit it inside 5500, i would just use duck tape to hold it inside |
| 04:55.36 | rev | hehe |
| 04:55.38 | treke|home | the battery is thicker at the least |
| 04:55.42 | fliplap | geek |
| 04:55.53 | fliplap | <=- geek incognito |
| 04:55.58 | TCMAN | fliplap: yeah, i dont have problem with it :))) |
| 04:55.59 | rev | i would *love* an external batt pack that maybe thickened the Z 0.5 cm along the entire length |
| 04:56.09 | rev | that would add at least 6 hrs of life i reckon |
| 04:56.10 | fliplap | TCMAN: i didn't for awhile |
| 04:56.19 | TCMAN | i like toshiba high capacity battery |
| 04:56.24 | minipanda | TCMAN: an very "good " network processor! their sales person just cheat me about it's "real" performance! |
| 04:56.33 | rev | give me fuel cells or nickel isotope trickle batteries |
| 04:56.41 | TCMAN | for e740, its just attaches on the back of the unit, and it covers whole back |
| 04:56.54 | arete | I'll stick with cold fusion |
| 04:57.00 | rev | heh |
| 04:57.19 | fliplap | arete: you want to buy my perpetual motion machine too? |
| 04:57.21 | TCMAN | minipanda: never trust salespeople, i learned it when i bought my first used car here :))) |
| 04:57.34 | arete | already have onhe but thanks |
| 04:57.43 | arete | thats the kind of thing that you don't need two of |
| 04:57.43 | fliplap | arete: i also have a water powered super car, and a bridge to sell you :-) |
| 04:58.07 | fliplap | and some penis enlargement pills, and a knife that never needs sharpening! |
| 04:58.11 | rev | i'd kill for a bridge in brooklyn, but i can't find them around here |
| 04:58.12 | rev | man |
| 04:58.17 | minipanda | TCMAN: but that sales person have a Dr. degree with CS so i trust him! :-( |
| 04:58.22 | rev | if i get *ONE* more email about increasing my load of semen by 600% i'm going to flip |
| 04:58.23 | rev | i mean |
| 04:58.25 | rev | for christsakes |
| 04:58.30 | rev | who the fuck would want to do that? |
| 04:58.39 | arete | porn stars |
| 04:58.46 | rev | but even then |
| 04:58.46 | arete | bukakke fans |
| 04:58.50 | fliplap | haha |
| 04:58.51 | rev | oi |
| 04:58.55 | TCMAN | minipanda: well, now you know better and you'll never make the same mistake |
| 04:58.58 | arete | sperm donors |
| 04:59.06 | arete | hell you could make a career at that level |
| 04:59.08 | treke|home | professional sperm donors |
| 04:59.28 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 04:59.33 | arete | that reminds me |
| 04:59.35 | rev | then i can't help but wonder why the purverors of these fine pills think i'm a pro sperminator |
| 04:59.37 | arete | I haven't read sexy losers recently |
| 04:59.45 | rev | ok kids |
| 04:59.45 | rev | night |
| 04:59.51 | rev | ye olde woman is beckoning |
| 05:00.07 | arete | the grim reaper?! |
| 05:00.11 | rev | heh |
| 05:00.28 | arete | http://sexylosers.keenspace.com/175.html |
| 05:00.31 | minipanda | who post this pic? http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25631.png and what's that? |
| 05:00.47 | treke|home | its zepo |
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| 05:00.57 | rev | oops |
| 05:01.26 | minipanda | treke|home: zepo can download message from CNN? |
| 05:01.42 | treke|home | dunno |
| 05:01.50 | minipanda | treke|home: i can not visti that site in china |
| 05:02.07 | arete | heh |
| 05:02.12 | treke|home | then it probably cant download news |
| 05:02.26 | arete | you can't view CNN in china? |
| 05:02.47 | gaurdian | In Baghdad, unrelenting air strikes shook the center and outskirts of the city day and night over the weekend. U.S. forces said they targeted a training site for the Fedayeen Saddam paramilitary, a presidential palace, an intelligence complex and a surface-to-air missile site. |
| 05:02.47 | minipanda | TCMAN: just show me the pagelink to SARS news! i'm glad to get some news from U.S! |
| 05:02.48 | gaurdian | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.56 | gaurdian | woot!! |
| 05:03.08 | arete | we beat the shit out of those islamist folks in kurdish territory too |
| 05:03.15 | arete | hoorrah special forces |
| 05:03.22 | gaurdian | arete , yea I saw that |
| 05:03.26 | arete | minipanda: http://www.gweilodiaries.com/index.html |
| 05:03.36 | arete | he is keeping track of SARS |
| 05:05.02 | TCMAN | http://search.cnn.com/cnn/search?source=cnn&invocationType=search%2Ftop&sites=cnn&query=SARS |
| 05:05.27 | minipanda | arete: that website is in the forbidden list! :-( |
| 05:05.56 | arete | wow really? |
| 05:06.01 | arete | the guy is in china himself |
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| 05:06.04 | TCMAN | minipanda: so you get some message when you want to go to forbidden site ? |
| 05:06.05 | arete | well hong kong |
| 05:06.13 | arete | not exactly mainland yet I guess but getting closer |
| 05:06.56 | minipanda | TCMAN: arete: thanks ! i just want to read some news from other conuntry! |
| 05:07.02 | arete | I guess if they firewalled hong kong too then the big corps would be bailing like no tomorrow |
| 05:07.16 | arete | if I had interests in HK I woulda sold them way before the british turnover |
| 05:07.43 | minipanda | arete: heng :-( ! |
| 05:07.48 | TCMAN | this whole blocking doesnt make sense, people can set up proxies outside and get anything they want |
| 05:08.01 | arete | yeah but they watch you |
| 05:08.05 | treke|home | but most people wont |
| 05:08.07 | arete | you have to register with the governmetn to get net access |
| 05:08.55 | TCMAN | and i though eastern europe was bad :) |
| 05:09.09 | minipanda | TCMAN: thanks! i do not want to offence our ...! so i just be careful ... |
| 05:09.39 | minipanda | TCMAN: some of my czech friends told me they are living very well there! real freedom |
| 05:09.58 | TCMAN | minipanda: i was born in poland |
| 05:10.12 | arete | I imagine eastern europe is really nice these days if you've got money |
| 05:10.14 | minipanda | TCMAN: washa? |
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| 05:10.51 | TCMAN | minipanda: it was pretty bad in beginning of 80s there |
| 05:11.17 | minipanda | arete: my friends are working for GNU. but they can earn there money easily |
| 05:11.28 | TCMAN | and its raging capitalism now in eastern europe |
| 05:11.34 | TCMAN | 19th century style |
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| 05:12.12 | minipanda | arete: bye! :-) |
| 05:12.20 | arete | heh |
| 05:12.21 | minipanda | arete: good trip |
| 05:12.37 | arete | unfortunately I suspect the quality of life is rather inferior to that here |
| 05:13.05 | TCMAN | arete: in eastern europe ? its not that bad as you think |
| 05:13.08 | minipanda | TCMAN: are u working in valley ? just after graudate form college in porland? |
| 05:13.19 | arete | oh I imagine its not too bad |
| 05:13.22 | arete | but probably not as nic eas her e=) |
| 05:13.34 | TCMAN | minipanda: i came to the valley 2 years ago, i worked in poland for 3 years after uniwersity |
| 05:14.00 | minipanda | TCMAN: a programmer or sales? (i hate sales ) |
| 05:14.00 | TCMAN | minipanda: you should have said porkland :))))) |
| 05:14.14 | TCMAN | minipanda: programmer :))) |
| 05:14.55 | TCMAN | minipanda: US has too many salespeople already |
| 05:14.56 | minipanda | TCMAN: a hacker? for linux or billy boys products? and why using zaurus? |
| 05:14.58 | TCMAN | and lawyers |
| 05:15.27 | TCMAN | minipanda: both windows and linux, depends on a day and project, and i like linux more :) |
| 05:16.07 | arete | cool I already have two bids on my c700 |
| 05:16.13 | arete | its up to $2.25 |
| 05:16.23 | Bala | heh |
| 05:16.57 | arete | wonder if its people here |
| 05:17.01 | arete | if not the market must be hungry for them |
| 05:17.11 | TCMAN | arete: you will probably get bunch of bids on 1st day, and then nothing and, then lots in last hour, and most in last minute |
| 05:17.20 | arete | yeah ebay dynamics are weird |
| 05:17.45 | TCMAN | bidding before last minute is a waste of time |
| 05:19.26 | TCMAN | its not the first bid that wins, only the highest one |
| 05:19.36 | TCMAN | and its better to wait for everyone to show their cards |
| 05:20.21 | minipanda | arete: c700 worthy $299? |
| 05:20.23 | arete | then you might miss your change though |
| 05:20.44 | treke|home | c700 worth 300 bucks? |
| 05:20.46 | treke|home | HELL YES |
| 05:21.02 | arete | I probably wouldn't pay $300 for it =) |
| 05:21.22 | treke|home | url? |
| 05:21.28 | TCMAN | arete: thats not a way to advertise your auction :))) |
| 05:21.35 | arete | hehe I'm honest |
| 05:21.39 | arete | plus zaurus people ar ecrazy =P |
| 05:21.50 | arete | treke: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3016217632&category=15030 |
| 05:21.59 | treke|home | anything broken on it? |
| 05:22.02 | arete | no |
| 05:22.06 | arete | its brand new and not really used |
| 05:22.58 | arete | its hard to wait 7 days |
| 05:23.05 | arete | didn't think many people would bid though |
| 05:23.19 | TCMAN | arete: you should have set buy it now on it for like $500 or something |
| 05:23.23 | treke|home | if it doesnt go over 300 bucks, /me would buy |
| 05:23.25 | arete | you have to be verified =( |
| 05:23.29 | arete | stupid fucking ebay |
| 05:23.41 | TCMAN | arete: aw, crap |
| 05:23.54 | arete | I always do a buy it now but they changed stuff |
| 05:24.17 | TCMAN | arete: the verification is just giving them your CC number |
| 05:24.28 | TCMAN | arete: i did it long time ago |
| 05:24.32 | arete | you have to pay $5 too |
| 05:24.55 | treke|home | oh well. We'll see |
| 05:24.58 | TCMAN | arete: hmm, now they charge for it :(, bastards |
| 05:25.49 | TCMAN | hmm, maybe i should bid on it, like $300, i could sell my 5500 later :) |
| 05:26.02 | TCMAN | maybe my wife wouldnt kill me :) |
| 05:26.05 | arete | hehe |
| 05:26.08 | arete | I expect it'll go higher than that |
| 05:26.16 | arete | probably ~500 |
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| 05:26.39 | arete | but feel free to start a bidding war =) |
| 05:27.12 | treke|home | once it reaches 500 bucks its not worth buying on ebay :) |
| 05:27.23 | treke|home | imo |
| 05:27.26 | arete | dunno it costs at least that much + shipping from a japanese importer |
| 05:27.31 | arete | and then its not fully converted |
| 05:27.37 | arete | and you don't have the trust factor of ebay |
| 05:27.53 | treke|home | yeah the trust factor of ebay |
| 05:27.55 | treke|home | thats a good one |
| 05:27.59 | TCMAN | arete: what trust factor of ebay ? |
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| 05:28.30 | treke|home | arete: you also get whatever warranty the importer provides |
| 05:28.33 | TCMAN | arete: i once bough purse for my wife for $15 from seller with 1100 positives, and she took the money and i have never seen the purse |
| 05:28.33 | arete | have you ever been ripped off by someone with good feedback? |
| 05:28.43 | arete | huh |
| 05:28.50 | TCMAN | arete: and then when left a neg for her i got retaliatory neg back |
| 05:28.55 | arete | well I've only had trouble with foreigners with 0/neg feedback |
| 05:29.07 | lion | i have a small problem , i am trying to setup zaurus with linux(gentoo) i can ping Z but when trying to start opera is not working |
| 05:29.16 | TCMAN | arete: and i know couple more ppl who had the same problem with this seller |
| 05:29.24 | Davv | arete: there, I put in a bid for ya on the c700. ;) |
| 05:29.38 | TCMAN | arete: sometimes ppl with good feedback just get lazy or turn bad |
| 05:29.42 | arete | hehe thanks |
| 05:30.14 | arete | I had a couple of times where russians and indonesians tried to use stolen credit cards |
| 05:30.18 | TCMAN | Davv: you know one could call it schill if you dont mean to buy it :))) |
| 05:30.19 | arete | but ebay slapped them |
| 05:30.23 | arete | well paypal |
| 05:30.46 | arete | usually only sell old toys on ebay though |
| 05:30.50 | arete | sometimes buy foreign DVDs |
| 05:31.24 | Davv | TCMAN: I know the ebay rules, I'll be outbid anyways pretty soon. I try to keep my feedback good. ;) |
| 05:31.35 | TCMAN | Davv: crap!! |
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| 05:31.42 | arete | or maybe you'll get the c700 for $50 =P |
| 05:31.45 | arete | pretty good deal heh |
| 05:32.15 | Davv | Now I hope that ebay is down for the next 6 days.. haha but that would probably be grounds for an exception for the auction. |
| 05:32.21 | TCMAN | Davv: i guess i'll postpone the battle to the last minute :) |
| 05:32.35 | treke|home | your aleady outbid |
| 05:32.39 | treke|home | its up o 100 |
| 05:32.55 | Davv | TCMAN: yeah, that is what I do anyways. It makes no sense to bid early. It makes sense to bid in the last minute. That is how U get items cheaper. |
| 05:33.05 | TCMAN | i just tried to feel up davv :) |
| 05:33.24 | arete | wow |
| 05:33.36 | Davv | TCMAN: don't worry about be, I probably won't end up with it anyways. *hint* |
| 05:33.40 | Davv | be=me |
| 05:33.47 | TCMAN | but i will probably wont go much more than 300 |
| 05:34.54 | jshare | anyone know where to get minicom for the Z ? |
| 05:35.18 | jshare | is the one on ZSI just a binary that i can scp to the Z? |
| 05:36.19 | TCMAN | i need to find msi k7t master-s mobo but there are none on ebay |
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| 05:36.54 | TCMAN | this zaurus is cool http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15030&item=3015334367&rd=1 |
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| 05:37.45 | arete | oh yeah |
| 05:37.47 | arete | the old japanese ones |
| 05:37.57 | arete | I really really wanted one of those when I was in japan like 3 years ago |
| 05:38.00 | arete | they were like $4000 |
| 05:38.05 | arete | er $1000 |
| 05:38.19 | TCMAN | why japan has always the cooles toys |
| 05:38.30 | arete | they don't really anymore |
| 05:38.46 | arete | they don't even have nice mp3 players, still use minidisks |
| 05:38.54 | arete | well of course the ipod is available there but its american |
| 05:39.10 | arete | and the same cool phones are available here now |
| 05:39.11 | TCMAN | arete: but c700, vaio u1/u3, some phones |
| 05:39.34 | arete | yeah on laptops they are still leaders |
| 05:39.36 | TCMAN | those sharp waterproof wireless lcd tv sets |
| 05:39.50 | TCMAN | :))) |
| 05:39.53 | arete | I really really want: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI. |
| 05:39.53 | arete | +dll?ViewItem&category=15030&item=3015334367&rd=1 |
| 05:39.55 | arete | er no |
| 05:39.58 | arete | http://www.dynamism.com/t1/index.shtml |
| 05:40.39 | TCMAN | arete: doesnt look like anything special (this is really bad picture) |
| 05:40.45 | arete | its *tiny* |
| 05:40.53 | arete | 2.3 pounds, about the size of a sheet of paper |
| 05:41.03 | TCMAN | oh, there is more |
| 05:41.30 | arete | http://www.pc.panasonic.co.jp/pc/products/t1p/index.html |
| 05:41.34 | TCMAN | it has some shared video memory crap |
| 05:42.06 | arete | well its not a gaming machine =P |
| 05:42.10 | arete | but it makes a nice portable |
| 05:42.19 | arete | no slow transmeta stuff either |
| 05:42.40 | TCMAN | arete: yeah, thats right, i have progear and its unusable (400mhz transmeta) |
| 05:42.47 | jshare | what is the serial port on the Z ? |
| 05:42.51 | jshare | which /dev/, i mean |
| 05:42.59 | TCMAN | ttyS0 ? |
| 05:43.03 | arete | yeah apparently transmeta is real slow |
| 05:43.11 | arete | crud its late, better get to bed |
| 05:43.14 | arete | good luck on your bids =) |
| 05:43.50 | TDT | what's the zaurus software site again? killerfez or something like that |
| 05:43.58 | jshare | ibot zsi |
| 05:44.08 | jshare | there |
| 05:44.12 | TDT | thx |
| 05:49.45 | lion | i have a silly q , can i remove the factory installed zaurus and install linux on the Z lets say i wanna install gentoo |
| 05:50.01 | TCMAN | lion: #gentoo-arm :) |
| 05:50.05 | lion | thanx |
| 05:50.26 | TCMAN | lion: but really, there is sharp rom, OZ and maybe some debian distro |
| 05:52.38 | TCMAN | lion: gentoo is a distro for powerful desktop computers |
| 05:54.12 | polin8 | killer fez would be a better name |
| 05:54.44 | polin8 | fez being the funny hats the nights of columbus wear in parades, while driving silly little cars |
| 05:54.55 | polin8 | s/nights/knights/ |
| 05:55.12 | TCMAN | polin8: yeah, its a stupid name |
| 05:55.22 | polin8 | eek!!@ |
| 05:55.26 | TCMAN | is there an ZSI feed ? |
| 05:55.31 | polin8 | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=971 : zaurus-emacs |
| 05:55.51 | polin8 | what an abomonation |
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| 05:57.02 | TCMAN | polin8: some ppl seem to like it |
| 05:57.20 | polin8 | i'm here feeling like installing vim over vi is wasteful |
| 05:57.41 | *** join/#zaurus oGMo (~rpav@208.187.9.99) |
| 05:57.41 | TDT | i like vim well better than just plain vi |
| 05:58.04 | polin8 | me too, but in the interest of small foot print I was putting it off |
| 05:58.20 | polin8 | but, the backspace thing in vi drives me nuts |
| 05:58.26 | TCMAN | polin8: this is because SD cards got cheaper lately :) |
| 05:58.33 | polin8 | heh |
| 05:58.40 | TDT | yeah, i have mine setup with all ram dedicated, and installing everything to SD |
| 05:58.53 | darmou | Is there pico for the Z? |
| 05:59.12 | TDT | I wish there was a solid port of gcc and g++ to the X |
| 05:59.15 | TDT | err, Z |
| 05:59.23 | TDT | tried the pkg, and man that thing does not work |
| 05:59.27 | darmou | nano even? |
| 05:59.55 | darmou | TDT you may find cross compiling more productive |
| 06:00.16 | darmou | I'm thinking obout trying to compile netatalk |
| 06:00.20 | TDT | darmou: unless I'm sitting at college and want to compile something quick while it's on my mind. |
| 06:01.18 | TDT | which is actually one of the biggest reasons why I bought the zaurus |
| 06:01.25 | TDT | because I could compile away from my computer. |
| 06:04.10 | polin8 | anyone know why xmms came out of 3.2? |
| 06:04.33 | TCMAN | polin8: doesnt mediaplayer2 play mp3s ? |
| 06:04.58 | polin8 | yeah |
| 06:05.19 | polin8 | I was hoping xmms would use less resources, and take less time to load |
| 06:07.12 | polin8 | looks like PicoGUI and tiny X are out too |
| 06:07.17 | polin8 | for the moment at least |
| 06:07.33 | Bala | polin8: it doesnt compile at the momemnt with the libraries in 3,2 |
| 06:07.36 | polin8 | which makes sense, since I couldn't get any of the above working right in rc3 |
| 06:07.46 | polin8 | Bala: thanks |
| 06:07.53 | TCMAN | polin8: yeah, o want X |
| 06:08.05 | TCMAN | o=i |
| 06:08.48 | TCMAN | yay! zaurus to sylpheed http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=843 |
| 06:08.56 | polin8 | I'm not sure that I want to _use_ it, but I wanted to _see_ it |
| 06:09.02 | oGMo | whoa they ported sylpheed to the Z? |
| 06:09.18 | oGMo | i can't imagine that working but it's my favorite mail client on the desktop end |
| 06:09.47 | polin8 | oGMo: its an addressbook translator |
| 06:09.50 | polin8 | not the program |
| 06:09.51 | oGMo | ... |
| 06:09.52 | oGMo | polin8: oh |
| 06:09.54 | oGMo | damn ;) |
| 06:10.19 | polin8 | mutt should work on the Z |
| 06:10.20 | polin8 | ;) |
| 06:11.10 | oGMo | true |
| 06:13.29 | TCMAN | sylpheed is pretty cool |
| 06:14.45 | polin8 | maybe, but mutt > * |
| 06:15.00 | treke|home | so true |
| 06:16.29 | TCMAN | i tried mutt once |
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| 06:16.41 | TCMAN | i guess i cannot stand text mode mail programs anymore |
| 06:16.49 | TCMAN | i used elm for a long time |
| 06:16.54 | polin8 | heh, I can't stand gui mail progs |
| 06:17.36 | polin8 | I'm really trying to use evolution, just to take advantage of the calender, but I still use mutt for email |
| 06:18.40 | TCMAN | i used becky on windows for couple years but now my tosh is my primary communication device, so it runs sylpheed and ickle all the time |
| 06:19.41 | TCMAN | icq on z would be cool |
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| 06:22.23 | frankps | hi all |
| 06:22.48 | darmou | theKompany has a jabber icq client |
| 06:23.09 | darmou | + other others such as aim etc |
| 06:23.45 | TCMAN | darmou: yeah, but it requires jabber server and crap, i just want icq |
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| 06:29.04 | pole | is it safe to just upgrade to 3.2 from rc3.1? |
| 06:29.45 | pole | or should i just reflash? |
| 06:30.01 | jshare | you should reflash |
| 06:30.09 | pole | k |
| 06:30.27 | high-rez | Im trying to port a console application to the Zaurus. Can someone tell me are threads and exception handling supported? |
| 06:31.17 | pole | if i do, /mnt/ram will get flashed too, right? |
| 06:31.26 | high-rez | Any dev types? Please? :) |
| 06:31.46 | TCMAN | pole: better backup /root contents first |
| 06:32.04 | pole | tcman: what about /mnt/ram? |
| 06:32.26 | TCMAN | pole: /mnt/ram will get nuked |
| 06:32.32 | pole | damn it |
| 06:32.57 | pole | i hate reinstalling all my programs again after each flash |
| 06:33.17 | treke|home | pole: hehe. Custom oz image :) |
| 06:33.23 | pole | so, will i be totally screwed if i just upgrade? |
| 06:33.34 | TCMAN | pole: there is some ipkg-link program |
| 06:33.40 | *** part/#zaurus TDT (~TDT@2001:470:1f00:893:2e0:29ff:fe6d:f1c3) |
| 06:33.42 | treke|home | speaking of which. I need to create my custom image |
| 06:34.03 | pole | yeah, it just creates sys links |
| 06:34.21 | pole | s/sys/sym |
| 06:35.00 | jshare | when i tried to upgrade, it totally cheezed my Z |
| 06:35.12 | pole | hmmm |
| 06:35.12 | jshare | ipkg != dpkg |
| 06:35.15 | TCMAN | pole: but lots of stuff is upgraded in OZ 3.2 anyway so you would have to reinstall anyway |
| 06:35.20 | jshare | like, cheezed big time |
| 06:35.26 | jshare | to the point of /etc/passwd getting wiped |
| 06:35.28 | jshare | god knows why |
| 06:35.34 | pole | fuxk |
| 06:35.45 | pole | i hate reflashing |
| 06:35.50 | jshare | i had to go buy a CF card and CF writer to fix it |
| 06:35.57 | pole | but whats a man to do... |
| 06:36.01 | jshare | (i had been borrowing a card, and using the Z as the writer) |
| 06:36.03 | high-rez | i think I got my answer for pthreads (yes), does anyone know if the zaurus supports exception handling ? |
| 06:36.12 | fliplap | they're cheap anyway, and nice to have |
| 06:36.16 | high-rez | (in c++) |
| 06:36.27 | treke|home | pole: really, try making custom images |
| 06:36.28 | fliplap | i want to build a cf slot into my casing |
| 06:36.54 | fliplap | i have a Shuttle case with an unused 3.5" bay that would work nicely |
| 06:37.09 | pole | they sell those |
| 06:37.18 | pole | in that formfactor |
| 06:37.25 | TCMAN | treke: how do you create custom image, just mount a file over loop? initialize it jffs2 and put crap on it ? |
| 06:37.27 | pole | so it looks normal |
| 06:37.47 | TCMAN | fliplap: there is some atech reader, that fits into 3.5 bay |
| 06:38.01 | TCMAN | fliplap: they have usb and firewire version, i use usb, it works in linux |
| 06:38.06 | pole | but watch out |
| 06:38.11 | fliplap | how much are they |
| 06:38.26 | fliplap | i'd need to replace the front casing of it to make it match my case |
| 06:38.28 | pole | ide versions mostly arnt hot swapable |
| 06:38.33 | TCMAN | fliplap: about $50, they have cf, sd, mms, and smartmedia |
| 06:38.46 | treke|home | TCMAN: download buildroot source, then toss all the ipks you use into output/ipks. then run make image_menuconfig followed by make image |
| 06:39.21 | TCMAN | treke: ok, i havent set up cross compiling env yet |
| 06:39.25 | fliplap | hmm, i'll probably just pickup a USB one and gut it |
| 06:39.27 | treke|home | if you use something to sync up your ram disk it be possible to get upgrading down to a 5-10 minute job |
| 06:39.32 | treke|home | TCMAN: you wouldnt need to cross compile |
| 06:39.33 | pole | treke, but you are still limited to the root fs, right? |
| 06:39.41 | fliplap | i have a cf adapter for my laptop for now anyway |
| 06:39.45 | treke|home | TCMAN: you could just use the prebuild binaries |
| 06:40.15 | TCMAN | http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&manufactory=1579&catalog=69&DEPA=1&sortby=14&order=1 |
| 06:40.26 | pole | treke, i mean, you camt make it install stuff to /mnt/ram by default, right? |
| 06:40.54 | treke|home | pole: you cant, but if you use unison on /mnt/ram to sync up, you can toss everything right back onto /mnt/ram after flashing |
| 06:41.14 | treke|home | or you could copy it over to flash |
| 06:41.19 | treke|home | er compact flash |
| 06:41.27 | pole | right |
| 06:41.36 | pole | might do that |
| 06:41.55 | treke|home | it doesnt make it a complatly automated solution but it can minize time spent |
| 06:42.21 | pole | i guess so |
| 06:42.28 | fliplap | wow that thing is ugly |
| 06:42.30 | treke|home | stop using the keyboard, start working on opie-handwriting :) |
| 06:42.42 | TCMAN | fliplap: the flash reader thing ? |
| 06:42.45 | fliplap | yeah, making my own wouldn't be hard, and would be much cheaper |
| 06:42.49 | fliplap | TCMAN: yeah |
| 06:43.13 | TCMAN | fliplap: to me it looks OK, especially that it goes into the bay, so only front face is visible |
| 06:43.46 | fliplap | i only need cf and sd, i can pick up a cf/sd combo usb deal, tear it apart, dremel out this face plate and be done pretty fast |
| 06:44.32 | fliplap | havn't gotten around to making the new faceplate for my cdrom yet tho...so we'll see how long until i actually do it :-) |
| 06:44.54 | minipanda | TCMAN: are u still using Zsytle? |
| 06:45.13 | fliplap | TCMAN: see, i want it to match this tho http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjkhan/newbox.jpg |
| 06:45.23 | TCMAN | minipanda: i dont think i ever used it |
| 06:45.30 | treke|home | minipanda: try openzaurus |
| 06:45.53 | TCMAN | fliplap: so they have silver color reader there |
| 06:46.17 | fliplap | the box isn't silver on the front, its white, with plexiglass over it |
| 06:46.21 | TCMAN | fliplap: i have black antec case myself (and my wife shuttle sv24) |
| 06:46.41 | fliplap | i could cut out all those slots, but really it would be cheaper to make my own |
| 06:46.43 | minipanda | treke|home: you've told me try to install openzaurus agian and again ! but i still wonder if i remove my orignal ROM, will sharp still graruntee my product? |
| 06:46.44 | TCMAN | fliplap: yeah, i know, i hate this one. but silver would look best with it |
| 06:47.04 | treke|home | minipanda: you can put it back on |
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| 06:47.41 | minipanda | treke|home: and how about my applicaitons under qtopai, can they running properly like before? |
| 06:47.47 | treke|home | yes |
| 06:47.56 | TCMAN | minipanda: you can always flash it to original rom before sending back to sharp for repairs or something |
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| 06:48.19 | minipanda | TCMAN: you are just like an FOX :-) |
| 06:48.20 | pole | you know what would be cool? |
| 06:48.32 | TCMAN | minipanda: FOX ? |
| 06:48.43 | minipanda | TCMAN: very clever and ... :-) |
| 06:49.07 | pole | on OZs web site, have a form that lets you select packages you want in your image |
| 06:49.18 | TCMAN | minipanda: since sharp posts ROMs on their website i dont think that flashing voids warranty |
| 06:49.31 | pole | and then makes the image and sends it to you |
| 06:49.41 | TCMAN | minipanda: but i think most common problem with Z is broken screen :( |
| 06:49.47 | minipanda | TCMAN: you are right and tell me are u still using treke|home's ROM? |
| 06:50.06 | treke|home | that's kergoth`bbl baby |
| 06:50.13 | TCMAN | minipanda: I use OZ 3.2 with updated ifupdown |
| 06:50.30 | pole | hmm.. |
| 06:50.44 | minipanda | TCMAN: maybe the zaurus' s screen will damged very soon ! i press it about 500 times everyday! |
| 06:50.48 | pole | can someone post a link to the .bin file? |
| 06:51.14 | minipanda | TCMAN : especially the left botttom corner under the big QT ICON |
| 06:51.17 | TCMAN | minipanda: usually you have to sit on it :))) to break it |
| 06:51.20 | pole | there is no "copy link" feature in konq |
| 06:51.41 | TCMAN | minipanda: ebay is full of Zs with broken screens |
| 06:51.54 | pole | or "save target as..." |
| 06:52.21 | darmou | let me guess, once the screen is damaged the whole thing is stuffed? |
| 06:52.27 | pole | that would make things so much better for heavy Z users |
| 06:52.39 | darmou | it is not worth fixing them? |
| 06:52.40 | treke|home | darmou: its around 300 bucks to repair, or so I here |
| 06:52.49 | darmou | ouch |
| 06:52.56 | TCMAN | darmou: expensive for repair |
| 06:53.00 | pole | what breaks? |
| 06:53.04 | TCMAN | darmou: and not covered by warranty |
| 06:53.16 | pole | which part of the screen? |
| 06:53.17 | TCMAN | pole: usually digitizer glass |
| 06:53.23 | TCMAN | pole: lcd works fine |
| 06:53.24 | pole | oh |
| 06:53.24 | darmou | in other words it is cheaper to buy a new discounted one |
| 06:53.46 | TCMAN | funnily enough there are people making replacement digitizer glass for palms |
| 06:53.57 | TCMAN | maybe the'll start making it for Zs too |
| 06:54.08 | TCMAN | replacement glass for palm is maybe $35 |
| 06:54.11 | fliplap | there's a much larger market for them on the palm front :-) |
| 06:54.13 | minipanda | TCMAN: why full of broken screened zaurus on ebay? |
| 06:54.15 | pole | not big enough market |
| 06:54.39 | darmou | Will getting a screen protector help? |
| 06:54.46 | TCMAN | minipanda: they get broken because people sit on them or drop them, and its very expensive to fix, and not covered by warranty |
| 06:55.08 | fliplap | i need a nice casing for my Z |
| 06:55.32 | darmou | Ahh the usuall means of breakage, not though ordenary usage |
| 06:55.41 | minipanda | TCMAN: so who will glad to brouhght them? oh, i've remenbered that some people can install apache on it and using it as an webserver! :-) |
| 06:55.44 | TCMAN | http://www.palmmedic.com/services.php3 |
| 06:56.09 | minipanda | TCMAN: maybe zaurus is faster than my old 80x486 Dx-4 80 |
| 06:56.29 | TCMAN | minipanda: broken glass Zs usually go for little above $100, so if you can find use for it its pretty good deal |
| 06:57.15 | fliplap | i should see if they can fix my PalmVx |
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| 06:57.49 | fliplap | it sat in the trunk of my car in a police impound lot for 2 weeks and won't turn on anymore |
| 06:58.11 | minipanda | treke|home: original rom and openzaurus's rom which one if more powerful? |
| 06:58.37 | minipanda | treke|home: why sharp do not make purchase of this opensource project? |
| 06:59.07 | TCMAN | minipanda: because they cant buy it, its impossible |
| 06:59.33 | gaurdian | fliplap , why was your car impounded ? |
| 06:59.34 | TCMAN | minipanda: openzaurus is not a company, its just bunch of people working together |
| 06:59.59 | minipanda | TCMAN? why? but seems openzaursus is more powerful than business zaurus? |
| 07:00.28 | gaurdian | it depends who you ask which is more powerfull |
| 07:00.32 | TCMAN | minipanda: yes, but still, they cannot buy it. but if they want they can use it for free :) |
| 07:00.37 | darmou | Well sharp don't know much about computer design:) |
| 07:00.54 | minipanda | treke|home: BTW: can i update my current ROM first? and i didn't have a CF card , so can i upgrade that safty using USB net ? |
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| 07:01.22 | gaurdian | Me personally, I happen to prefer the Sharp rom |
| 07:01.22 | minipanda | TCMAN: sharp is too ... :-( |
| 07:01.30 | darmou | So Hancom Word should work now? |
| 07:01.43 | gaurdian | BUT I do think OZ is comming along very nicely |
| 07:01.48 | polin8 | oops |
| 07:02.05 | polin8 | I broke opie |
| 07:02.13 | TCMAN | sharp rom was freezing when i messed with wifi cards, and OZ works nicely |
| 07:02.14 | fliplap | gaurdian: evidence in a car accident |
| 07:02.20 | polin8 | 3 hours with a new ROM, might be my new record |
| 07:02.21 | fliplap | they impounded like 6 cars |
| 07:02.36 | TCMAN | fliplap: what happened |
| 07:02.37 | gaurdian | ahh... |
| 07:03.07 | gaurdian | uh....I have been in a wreck, dident impound mine, but sorry to hear |
| 07:03.11 | fliplap | some guy lost control of his car |
| 07:03.13 | minipanda | gaurdian: can you tell me who write the Zsytle? |
| 07:03.16 | fliplap | hit a bunch of people |
| 07:03.28 | gaurdian | no idea minipanda |
| 07:03.33 | fliplap | sleep time |
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| 07:04.01 | minipanda | gaurdian: so are u using that app to change your theme? |
| 07:04.06 | gaurdian | I had a motorcycle impounded because previous owner used it in a robery.....never saw it again :( |
| 07:04.15 | gaurdian | I dident change theme |
| 07:04.33 | TCMAN | fliplap: but was your card involved ? |
| 07:04.34 | polin8 | can someone check the default OZ 3.2 PATH for me |
| 07:04.37 | polin8 | PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin" |
| 07:04.39 | Aimio | Is a CF card still needed to use OZ? (couldn't see a mention in changelog) |
| 07:04.40 | polin8 | is that right? |
| 07:04.42 | fliplap | TCMAN: yes |
| 07:04.52 | minipanda | TCMAN: treke|home: seems that www.openzaurus.org can not visit in China! that is just on forbidden list! :-( |
| 07:05.00 | TCMAN | fliplap: that sucks |
| 07:05.21 | TCMAN | i thought that china likes linux |
| 07:05.26 | fliplap | haha |
| 07:06.10 | gaurdian | dont believe everything you read on crapdot |
| 07:06.28 | gaurdian | I should register that, crapdot.org |
| 07:07.09 | TCMAN | again, no Z - http://www.gethightech.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=DIG |
| 07:07.11 | minipanda | TCMAN: can you show me another mirror site of openzaurus.org? |
| 07:07.20 | fliplap | that domain is long taken |
| 07:07.24 | polin8 | any one here running OZ 3.2? |
| 07:07.54 | gaurdian | also a few other choice ones |
| 07:08.29 | Aimio | Do I need a CF card for the new 3.2 OZ? |
| 07:08.32 | gaurdian | but I let them expire, was a fun hobby |
| 07:09.05 | TCMAN | minipanda: everything goes through openzaurus.org |
| 07:09.44 | Aimio | :`( ignored |
| 07:09.51 | gaurdian | ? |
| 07:10.32 | Aimio | Do I need a CF card to be able to flash the new 3.2 OZ? |
| 07:10.50 | polin8 | Aimio: yes |
| 07:10.59 | TCMAN | try this http://zaurii.com/oz/3.2/ |
| 07:11.03 | polin8 | I believe you do |
| 07:11.07 | Aimio | :) ty |
| 07:11.30 | Aimio | (my CF slot is taken you c) |
| 07:11.45 | polin8 | Aimio: by what? |
| 07:12.08 | Aimio | a wireless CF card |
| 07:12.13 | polin8 | take it out |
| 07:12.15 | polin8 | flash |
| 07:12.19 | polin8 | put it back in |
| 07:12.32 | Aimio | no storage CF card |
| 07:12.46 | polin8 | the little 16meg ones are cheap now |
| 07:13.06 | Aimio | hmm, I suppose I could buy one, flash and then never use it |
| 07:13.23 | Aimio | y have 2 reflash? |
| 07:13.25 | polin8 | Aimio: they make nice mp3/ogg storage |
| 07:13.35 | polin8 | because I broke opie |
| 07:13.41 | polin8 | not sure how exactly |
| 07:14.01 | Aimio | i though flashable area is r/o? |
| 07:14.02 | polin8 | last time I changed the /bin/sh link, this time its not that |
| 07:14.11 | polin8 | no |
| 07:14.19 | polin8 | which is good, usually |
| 07:14.43 | polin8 | its r/o in the zaurus ROM |
| 07:14.53 | polin8 | but r/w in the OZ ROM |
| 07:14.54 | Aimio | ah, i was thinking that OZ was a replacment rom |
| 07:14.59 | Aimio | oic |
| 07:15.14 | polin8 | oz is nicer, imho |
| 07:15.18 | minipanda | Thank you TCMAN: but what's the meaning of such sytel "zimage-memory-storage-debug" ? |
| 07:15.46 | polin8 | http://home.etria.org/~bskahan/z_mutt.png |
| 07:15.46 | Aimio | thx polin8 that's some handy info |
| 07:15.51 | polin8 | Aimio: np |
| 07:16.02 | polin8 | mutt > opie-mail2 |
| 07:16.40 | TCMAN | zimage - kernel memory is ram-storage ram - debug is debug kernel |
| 07:16.40 | gaurdian | bah.. |
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| 07:16.57 | darmou | once you re flash is there a way of getting the z to recognise the previously installed apps? |
| 07:17.14 | TCMAN | minipanda: so if you want you z to have 48 ram, 16mb storage ramdisk it would be zImage-5500-48-16.bin |
| 07:17.28 | polin8 | darmou: there are no previously installed apps after you flash |
| 07:17.37 | polin8 | you can reinstall them, generally |
| 07:17.44 | darmou | ok thanks |
| 07:17.57 | TCMAN | minipanda: debug writes debug messages to screen so it messes up everything, you dont need that unless you are developer |
| 07:18.12 | polin8 | np |
| 07:18.37 | TCMAN | ipkg-link mount /mnt/card ? |
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| 07:23.06 | polin8 | whats ^C in the OZ console (not in opie) |
| 07:23.22 | TCMAN | fn c |
| 07:23.25 | noidd | polin8: fn c |
| 07:23.26 | TCMAN | ? |
| 07:23.45 | noidd | hehe, i think there is an echo in here :-) |
| 07:24.32 | polin8 | mayhaps, had to kill it from ssh |
| 07:24.41 | polin8 | I think thats just in kosole |
| 07:24.44 | polin8 | anywho |
| 07:25.41 | minipanda | TCMAN: hey! so how about 64ram 0 stroage? |
| 07:25.44 | polin8 | pretty neat, you can run the opie apps directly in the framebuffer, by pasing -qws argument to them from the command line |
| 07:25.52 | minipanda | and TCMAN: tell me your settings |
| 07:26.53 | TCMAN | minipanda: i have 64 ram, 0 storage but i also have 256mb sd-mmc card |
| 07:27.13 | TCMAN | minipanda: i moved /root /home and /opt to sd-mmc |
| 07:27.34 | TCMAN | minipanda: if you dont have sd-mmc card you need some storage space |
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| 07:28.34 | minipanda | OH! seems i cannot buy an CF card to storage my files ! |
| 07:28.47 | minipanda | but only need a sd-mmc? what's that? |
| 07:29.18 | TCMAN | minipanda: the slot on the side is for sd-mmc cards |
| 07:29.40 | polin8 | btw, ^C in the console (not opie) is calendar + C |
| 07:29.47 | TCMAN | minipanda: so you can use sd-mmc for storage and cf for network card |
| 07:30.12 | TCMAN | polin8: so calendar works as ctrl in console ? |
| 07:30.17 | minipanda | TCMAN: i must usally change CF devices? so that i can only install all my current files on a SD? |
| 07:30.36 | TCMAN | minipanda: yes |
| 07:31.06 | TCMAN | minipanda: i have 256mb sd-mmc always in slot, and use CF slot for network card or microdrive with movies and music |
| 07:31.49 | polin8 | TCMAN: yeah, ^D ^C and ^L all work with it |
| 07:32.05 | TCMAN | polin8: good to know |
| 07:32.33 | minipanda | TCMAN: what's your microdrive ? ? and tell me your sd's price , please :-) |
| 07:32.34 | TCMAN | now i need midnight commander for z :) the one i got from ZSI didnt work |
| 07:32.34 | polin8 | particularly since its not like konsole where you can bring up multi-key |
| 07:33.09 | TCMAN | minipanda: i got 256mb sd-mmc on ebay for $70 with shipping, i saw the same for $65 at Costco |
| 07:33.48 | TCMAN | minipanda: i paid $30 for 64mb mmc at fry's lately |
| 07:33.55 | minipanda | OHOHOH! TCMAN good! i think i really need that! |
| 07:35.35 | TCMAN | minipanda: on 256MB card you can probably install every program from ZSI :) |
| 07:36.51 | minipanda | TCMAN: and running my forum : www.powernp.com on it! :-) |
| 07:37.20 | noidd | polin8, oh yeah - I missread the question - sorry |
| 07:37.43 | polin8 | np |
| 07:38.30 | minipanda | TCMAN: "network card or microdrive with movies and music " what's mocrodrive ? ibm? |
| 07:38.57 | minipanda | TCMAN: but seems with a microdrive the Zaurus can only be using 3 hours :-( |
| 07:39.08 | noidd | I have an IBM microdrive in the CF slot |
| 07:40.24 | TCMAN | minipanda: yes, i have 340mb IBM Microdrive |
| 07:40.36 | TCMAN | minipanda: its really a marvel of technology |
| 07:41.04 | minipanda | TCMAN, noidd: cool! but that staff's power consumption is great! :-( just like the wireless devices? |
| 07:42.21 | TCMAN | minipanda: i think it can go as high as 500ma |
| 07:42.32 | TCMAN | minipanda: but it spins down very often |
| 07:43.23 | minipanda | TCMAN: strage DIVX fils? in a gigabytes cf that's greate! |
| 07:44.09 | TCMAN | minipanda: 240x160 divx movies are about 200mb |
| 07:44.48 | minipanda | TCMAN: noidd just using an 1GB microdrive :-) |
| 07:45.04 | minipanda | TCMAN: so you what will install in your microdrive? |
| 07:45.26 | TCMAN | minipanda: movies and music |
| 07:45.34 | TCMAN | minipanda: i install programs to sd-mmc |
| 07:46.30 | minipanda | TCMAN: but how can you connect your microdirve with your notebook or PC? is that need to buy some other staff? |
| 07:47.06 | TCMAN | minipanda: there are very simple cf->pcmcia converters, they cost around $10 |
| 07:47.10 | polin8 | gnight folks |
| 07:47.22 | TCMAN | minipanda: cf is basically pcmcia with some address lines removed |
| 07:47.38 | polin8 | cf = ide |
| 07:48.03 | minipanda | Thanks polin8: good night! |
| 07:48.18 | TCMAN | polin8: well, i think it can work in some other modes too |
| 07:49.02 | minipanda | TCMAN: ok, dear tcman! you've show that how powerful will be the zaurus! |
| 07:49.55 | minipanda | TCMAN: i'm still not very clear about these: the zimage fils is only 8XXKBytes, so my zaurus have 32 MB ROM? |
| 07:50.11 | TCMAN | minipanda: your z has 16mb rom, you need initrd.bin too |
| 07:50.35 | TCMAN | zImage is only kernel image, initrd.bin is the root (/) filesystem |
| 07:51.22 | TCMAN | minipanda: put zImage and initrd.bin files on your FAT16 formatted compact flash |
| 07:51.42 | TCMAN | minipanda: open battery door, press C and D keys at once and press reset |
| 07:52.05 | minipanda | TCMAN: oh, i got it ! 14.1MB !!! but with the kerenl still only 16MB ROM keep space! |
| 07:52.08 | TCMAN | minipanda: mail and battery LED will be on and it will flash zImage and initrd.bin to ROM |
| 07:52.26 | TCMAN | minipanda: SL-5500 has 16MB of flash ROM |
| 07:52.30 | TCMAN | SL-5600 has 32MB |
| 07:53.17 | minipanda | TCMAN: that sales person cheat me againg :-(((( |
| 07:54.07 | TCMAN | minipanda: 5500 = 16MB flash ROM, 64MB ram, 206mhz strong arm |
| 07:54.31 | TCMAN | minipanda: 5600 = 32MB flash ROM, 32MB ram, 400mhz xscale pxa250 |
| 07:54.41 | NeoTron | incorrect |
| 07:55.03 | NeoTron | stricly speaking the 5600 has 64 MB ROM. now I suppose just half is used for the flashing part though |
| 07:55.09 | NeoTron | the rest is for documents and such |
| 07:55.32 | TCMAN | NeoTron: are you sure about that ? |
| 07:55.36 | NeoTron | yes |
| 07:56.12 | TCMAN | NeoTron: you are right |
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| 08:05.58 | NeoTron | I know. :P |
| 08:06.21 | TCMAN | NeoTron: hehe |
| 08:07.48 | darmou | hmm wonder where patience is in oz 3.2 |
| 08:08.38 | TCMAN | patience ? |
| 08:11.01 | darmou | solitare |
| 08:11.28 | yeiazel | thrown away ? like xmms ? |
| 08:12.11 | darmou | ahh I've found it under solitare doh |
| 08:12.17 | yeiazel | oh :) |
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| 08:14.38 | omoore | in OZ, why is my nic not starting on boot even tho i ahve the option to start on boot checked? |
| 08:16.31 | darmou | hmm what does postinst script returned 127 mean? |
| 08:17.12 | yeiazel | a post-installation script returned the error code 127 |
| 08:17.25 | yeiazel | which means something I don't know |
| 08:18.07 | darmou | its ok later on it reports that Qtopia is missing, so I just need to force depends |
| 08:18.27 | yeiazel | :) |
| 08:29.31 | gaurdian | mspencer you here ? |
| 08:30.52 | gaurdian | NeoTron , you have a 700 right ? |
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| 08:33.47 | NeoTron | no |
| 08:33.48 | NeoTron | A300 |
| 08:34.00 | gaurdian | whats the A300 ? |
| 08:34.11 | NeoTron | the really small one |
| 08:34.13 | NeoTron | first japanese model |
| 08:34.15 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 08:34.41 | TCMAN | NeoTron: does a300 have cf slot ? |
| 08:34.50 | gaurdian | wondering if the 700's are worth the cost |
| 08:35.58 | mchang | anyone up? |
| 08:36.04 | gaurdian | nope |
| 08:38.19 | noidd | yeash - i'm up |
| 08:39.13 | yeiazel | a300's are soooo cute :) |
| 08:39.47 | TCMAN | i think c700 looks better |
| 08:39.49 | gaurdian | yeiazel , you have a 700 ? |
| 08:40.06 | yeiazel | no |
| 08:40.09 | gaurdian | ok |
| 08:40.13 | yeiazel | a simple 5000d... |
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| 08:42.00 | noidd | i nearly got one of those |
| 08:42.07 | noidd | i'm glad I waiting for the 5500 now of course |
| 08:42.19 | noidd | but now i'm getting 5600 and c700 envy |
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| 08:48.38 | gaurdian | We do not currently have Outlook-synchronization. We are continuing to work on this. If this is a must-have for you, please contact a sales representative (or send mail to sales@dynamism.com) to be put on a list to be notified if we are able to provide this functionality. |
| 08:48.48 | gaurdian | BAD..no outlook sync on the c700 |
| 08:49.30 | yeiazel | don't use outlook ;) |
| 08:49.32 | gaurdian | well, that knocks that out |
| 08:49.50 | gaurdian | why not ? outlook is fine |
| 08:50.26 | raceme | keep calm yeiazel please :) |
| 08:50.49 | yeiazel | gaurdian: outlook is totally unsecured |
| 08:51.06 | raceme | and totally against 50% of the netiquette |
| 08:51.09 | yeiazel | html, javadcript, active-x interpretation without asking a question |
| 08:51.15 | yeiazel | s/dcr/scr/ |
| 08:51.30 | gaurdian | yeiazel , that can ALL be taken care of |
| 08:51.51 | yeiazel | too easy to execute a .exe got from mail, which can contain viruses, etc |
| 08:51.55 | gaurdian | raceme , how is that / I can switch to text mode if I want.... |
| 08:52.02 | yeiazel | and that option to automatically add addresses in the contact list |
| 08:52.20 | gaurdian | BS, I can get a .exe in mutt or any command line mail also |
| 08:52.27 | yeiazel | gaurdian: I agree the problem is more with the default options than with its capabilities |
| 08:52.37 | gaurdian | so get off outlook then.... |
| 08:52.53 | gaurdian | everything you mentioned can be tuened on or off |
| 08:52.58 | yeiazel | but... for the html mails, I'm not sure you can totally disable them... |
| 08:53.05 | gaurdian | Yes you can |
| 08:53.14 | yeiazel | and, last but not least, it's not a free software |
| 08:53.29 | raceme | gaurdian: i have to use it @work and i can't respect the netiquette because if i answer at the bottom of a mail, correspondants answer me: you sent me an empty message i saw nothing in it you should have done a mistake. |
| 08:53.39 | gaurdian | so what ? I dont care its not free, NOT everything in life is free and it all shouldent be |
| 08:54.00 | yeiazel | gaurdian: I prefer using something free when it exists. and it exists |
| 08:54.06 | gaurdian | raceme , uh..I answer at the bottom all the time |
| 08:54.18 | gaurdian | yeiazel , nothing better exists. |
| 08:54.29 | gaurdian | I use whats most suited for the task, free or not |
| 08:54.34 | noidd | yeiazel: then that is your choice. Other people have the choice to use commercial software should they choose |
| 08:54.42 | yeiazel | noidd: sure |
| 08:55.03 | yeiazel | I don't want to force ppl using free software |
| 08:55.06 | noidd | damn, i'm 3 hours l;ate for work |
| 08:55.49 | raceme | gaurdian: isn't it very stoning thaht outlook managed to change people habits at this point ? being a spooky by replying at the bottom of a mail which is the normal and _natural_ way to do it ? against the totally silly way which is to reply at the top ? :( |
| 08:56.33 | gaurdian | actually, doesnt matter to me |
| 08:56.43 | gaurdian | where people reply at |
| 08:57.36 | gaurdian | I use all sorts mail programs, I use mutt at times, outlook at others, web mail at others |
| 08:58.01 | gaurdian | I use some "free" OS's, some not |
| 08:58.10 | gaurdian | I use some "free: apps, some not |
| 08:58.59 | raceme | well i'ts just a question of convention and efficacity... But when you receive a complete thread by email with 20 answers containing all the mails and the signatures becase they don't know how to quote and because outlook position the cursor at the top of the mail i spend 10 minutes to handle a mail instead of 2. For me it's more a question of the application itself than free sotftware in this case. |
| 08:59.13 | yeiazel | the problem is not about functionalities, but about the way users use the program. Outlook generates bad habits; that's all. I try to show users there are other things than MS, MS and MS. And if they know that (as you know that), no pb, they are free to use MS things :) |
| 08:59.28 | gaurdian | I am no more a fan of Linux, FreeBSD, Microsoft, Solaris or any other OS. I use what I believe will do the best job for the task at hand |
| 08:59.42 | raceme | yeiazel: and to burn in hell ? ;) </oups sorry> |
| 09:00.28 | yeiazel | if they wanna burn in hell, they are free to do so |
| 09:00.34 | yeiazel | masochists are free to exist |
| 09:00.35 | yeiazel | :) |
| 09:01.37 | gaurdian | dont get me started on "free" software and Linux. Linux has its good side and very bad side, as does all software |
| 09:01.44 | yeiazel | yes |
| 09:01.49 | raceme | gaurdian: indeed |
| 09:01.56 | noidd | guardian: please forgive him. Using python has warped his fragile little mind :-) |
| 09:02.15 | yeiazel | :)) |
| 09:02.21 | gaurdian | I readilly admit MS has some issues, as do all OS's |
| 09:02.58 | TCMAN | actually replying at the top is not that stupid |
| 09:03.20 | raceme | TCMAN: give me *one* good reason :) |
| 09:03.33 | gaurdian | No it isnt really, then you can read the replies in chrono order |
| 09:03.45 | gaurdian | chronological ordering |
| 09:03.50 | TCMAN | raceme: when you read reply you are interested in the reply, not the previous email you have sent |
| 09:04.02 | gaurdian | TCMAN , yup yup |
| 09:04.08 | TCMAN | raceme: the quoted email is just for reference |
| 09:04.20 | raceme | TCMAN: bad reason. if your message is correctly quoted and stripped you don't need to read all. |
| 09:04.52 | TCMAN | raceme: well, quoting and sending back whole message is stupid |
| 09:04.53 | yeiazel | it remins you the mail which is answered |
| 09:05.08 | raceme | TCMAN: quoting & stripping |
| 09:05.18 | TCMAN | raceme: but if someone does it at least having their reply first saves me reading my old message again |
| 09:05.51 | yeiazel | personnaly, I answer step by step, quoting the important parts of the original mail. the quoted message and my answers are mixed along the whole mail |
| 09:06.10 | gaurdian | now thats annoying.. |
| 09:06.25 | TCMAN | yeiazel: 90% emails are just quick couple sentences, no quoting and stripping |
| 09:06.46 | TCMAN | yeiazel: if i had to quote and strip every message i wouldnt have time left for coding at work :) |
| 09:07.11 | yeiazel | TCMAN: for them, I quote 1 sentence or parts of a sentence from the original message, to be precise on WHAT I'm answering |
| 09:07.46 | raceme | TCMAN: you save 5 of your minutes per mail but your correspondant have to loose 10 minutes per mail. |
| 09:08.30 | TCMAN | raceme: not really, everyone does the same |
| 09:08.45 | TCMAN | raceme: there are some discussions when people quote properly |
| 09:08.58 | TCMAN | raceme: but not in short couple sentences long emails |
| 09:09.43 | yeiazel | remind emails are like mails, not like live discussions or chats, irc or so |
| 09:10.16 | yeiazel | I try to put as many information as it would be necessary in an email |
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| 09:10.26 | raceme | TCMAN: perhaps i am still old fashionned ;) but when i receive a mail with "ok i agree" and all my previous email copied I get mad :) |
| 09:10.45 | yeiazel | however, when I receive a really short email, I don't quote it, just send a really short answer |
| 09:10.52 | yeiazel | raceme: me too |
| 09:11.08 | yeiazel | everybody tell me so... |
| 09:11.17 | raceme | by the way what do you want to sync with outlook ? just mail or all the calendar stuff ? |
| 09:11.40 | gaurdian | me ? I sync mail, conmtacts, todo and cal |
| 09:11.56 | gaurdian | contacts even |
| 09:12.29 | gaurdian | I sync all those currently on my 5500 |
| 09:12.37 | raceme | i think there is something done for evolution on linux so it is possible to do it if someone get the source and port it to the zaurus mail app (that i didn't test yet) |
| 09:12.51 | gaurdian | I dont USE EVOLUTION |
| 09:13.00 | gaurdian | we are a Exchange shop |
| 09:13.08 | yeiazel | gaurdian: raceme is talking about evolution<=>outlook |
| 09:13.20 | yeiazel | then something should be possible for zaurus<=>outlook |
| 09:13.36 | yeiazel | as therre is already the outlook part |
| 09:13.43 | raceme | gaurdian: you mean you sell exchange products ? |
| 09:13.48 | gaurdian | WHY would I do that when I can go directly from outlook to 5500 ? |
| 09:13.58 | gaurdian | No, I mean we use exchange |
| 09:14.07 | yeiazel | gaurdian: sure, if you already can with the 5500 ... :) |
| 09:14.07 | gaurdian | we use outlook. |
| 09:14.12 | gaurdian | I use outlook at home |
| 09:14.24 | raceme | gaurdian: what do you use on your 5500 to sync with outlook ? |
| 09:14.28 | gaurdian | 90% of the people we deal with use outlook |
| 09:14.37 | gaurdian | intellisync |
| 09:14.39 | mchang | raceme: intellisync works well |
| 09:14.47 | gaurdian | works great |
| 09:14.57 | gaurdian | no, it works well |
| 09:15.08 | gaurdian | I have had no issues with it at all |
| 09:15.31 | mchang | gaurdian: can't get it sync wirelessly with my z on the same subnet |
| 09:15.37 | gaurdian | the only *nix boxes we have here are for development |
| 09:15.46 | raceme | intellisync is the thing ot the sharp rom ? is it available on oz ? is it free ? |
| 09:15.51 | gaurdian | I use the usb cradle |
| 09:15.58 | mchang | gaurdian: yep, that works just fine :) |
| 09:16.10 | gaurdian | its on the sharp rom but works for OZ also |
| 09:16.24 | gaurdian | its on the shard CD |
| 09:16.28 | gaurdian | sharp |
| 09:16.40 | mchang | raceme: you can also download it from the sharp website |
| 09:16.52 | raceme | ok so it's proprietary software and won't be included in OZ :( |
| 09:17.09 | mchang | raceme: well, it isn't included in OZ since it's a windows app. |
| 09:17.12 | gaurdian | UH.....it goes on the windows side, not the Z side |
| 09:17.42 | minipanda | TCMAN: still there? |
| 09:17.54 | raceme | so that explains why i didn't test it :) |
| 09:18.00 | minipanda | TCMAN: it's midnight in valley? |
| 09:18.27 | mchang | minipanda: california valley? |
| 09:18.47 | mchang | raceme: right on... otherwise, i think qtopia desktop is what you'd be wanting on the linux side |
| 09:18.48 | minipanda | mchang: yes! he've told me he lived there! |
| 09:18.51 | gaurdian | its 1:18AM on the west coast |
| 09:19.19 | minipanda | gaurdian: using qtopia? and original rom? |
| 09:19.32 | gaurdian | I use intelisync |
| 09:19.36 | gaurdian | not Qtopia |
| 09:19.54 | omoore | fyi for anyone who cares... 2.38 dos not sync with linux qtopiadesktop |
| 09:20.04 | mchang | omoore: what's the prob? |
| 09:20.04 | gaurdian | heh |
| 09:20.05 | minipanda | but intellisync only work with win2k staff? |
| 09:20.18 | gaurdian | win98, win2k, winXP |
| 09:20.25 | gaurdian | I use it with XP |
| 09:20.32 | omoore | mchang: dont' know but the latest rom from sharp can't connect to qtopiadesktop (1.6.0) |
| 09:21.02 | gaurdian | but also, I have replaced most of my PIM apps with apps from tkc |
| 09:21.07 | omoore | mchang: it's not just the usb stuff either... cause i have wireless network acess on my Z too |
| 09:21.55 | gaurdian | the 2.38 rom wont sync over wireless anyway, with anything. |
| 09:22.10 | gaurdian | not supposed to |
| 09:23.18 | minipanda | gaurdian:? still using original ROM? |
| 09:23.21 | gaurdian | yes |
| 09:23.26 | gaurdian | 2.38 |
| 09:24.02 | minipanda | gaurdian: i'm using 2.39 :-) |
| 09:24.06 | gaurdian | welp, almost done with work for the day |
| 09:24.13 | mchang | minipanda: 2.39? |
| 09:24.15 | gaurdian | where did you get 2.39 ? |
| 09:24.43 | gaurdian | and more importanbtly, where can I get it :) |
| 09:24.48 | mchang | gaurdian: you use oz3.2? |
| 09:24.57 | gaurdian | no...not currently |
| 09:25.04 | gaurdian | I use sharp rom 2.38 |
| 09:25.16 | gaurdian | where can I get 2.39 ? |
| 09:25.35 | mchang | gaurdian: i meant have you given it a shot? |
| 09:25.44 | gaurdian | I have tried it yes |
| 09:26.15 | gaurdian | minipanda |
| 09:26.36 | minipanda | wiithin my sl5500! just get from sharp! |
| 09:26.53 | minipanda | sorry! gaurdian: my boss was walking around me right after! :-) |
| 09:27.00 | gaurdian | uh.....I have looked there and cant find any place to DL it |
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| 09:27.03 | George- | boo |
| 09:27.20 | gaurdian | got a url where I can DL it ? |
| 09:27.24 | mchang | gaurdian: perhaps minipanda is talking about a diff version for a different country? |
| 09:27.25 | mchang | (non us) |
| 09:27.36 | minipanda | gaurdian! just english version! |
| 09:27.37 | gaurdian | ahh....that may be true |
| 09:27.37 | George- | That stupid powerbook of mine has been arranged for yet another pickup |
| 09:27.49 | gaurdian | minipanda , where can I dl it ? |
| 09:28.00 | mchang | George-: what's the prob? |
| 09:28.12 | George- | mchang: almost everything imaginable |
| 09:28.28 | mchang | George-: which pb? |
| 09:28.40 | George- | mchang: Titanium PowerBook G4 667MHz Gigabit Ethernet |
| 09:29.07 | minipanda | gaurdian: just told me how to read that ROM from my zaurus, then i can mail to you! |
| 09:29.15 | George- | mchang: if you want a full explanation: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/eric.rsoc |
| 09:29.21 | George- | mchang: it's going in for the third time |
| 09:29.32 | gaurdian | no idea how minipanda |
| 09:29.42 | mchang | George-: sorry to hear about that |
| 09:30.39 | George- | mchang: I don't have an extended warranty directly with Apple, so I have to go thru a different company, who then make the repair deal with Apple and send it off |
| 09:30.52 | minipanda | mchang: any advices? |
| 09:30.54 | George- | mchang: I'm like "uhh... I recently sent in a PowerBook for repair.. and it's broken again" |
| 09:31.01 | minipanda | mchang: are you a chinese? :-) |
| 09:31.13 | mchang | minipanda: yep |
| 09:31.21 | George- | mchang: "hrmm... can I have you reference number? <blah blah blah> Wow... We spent a lot of money on your machine last time" |
| 09:31.33 | mchang | George-: sorry, no advice .. my tibook has been running like a top since day 1 (knock on titanium) |
| 09:31.42 | minipanda | gaurdian: my version of sl5500ROM update including such additional reatures! |
| 09:31.45 | mchang | George-: i'm sorry to hear all the messed up stuff |
| 09:31.57 | mchang | okay, time for bed... i'll see you all tomorrow! |
| 09:32.05 | minipanda | gaurdian: Address BOOK and Imgae viewer up to 1600x1200 |
| 09:32.12 | minipanda | mchang: where are u ? |
| 09:32.18 | mchang | minipanda: seattle, wa, usa |
| 09:32.19 | gaurdian | there has got to be somewhere to DL it...references all over google about it but no links to it |
| 09:32.26 | minipanda | mchang: :-( |
| 09:32.50 | minipanda | why do not try to find it through sharp's site? |
| 09:33.06 | gaurdian | I have looked, all I see is 2.38 |
| 09:33.08 | mchang | minipanda: no 2.39 rom references anywhere. |
| 09:33.29 | mchang | except: http://tinyurl.com/8hvn |
| 09:33.47 | gaurdian | same I found |
| 09:34.41 | mchang | gaurdian: right on |
| 09:35.29 | TCMAN | minipanda: yes, 1:30 am |
| 09:36.06 | minipanda | TCMAN: show me the mirror site of openzaurus again ,please! :-) |
| 09:36.23 | minipanda | TCMAN: and tell me where can i get the latest kernel can compiler ? |
| 09:36.36 | mchang | TCMAN: mirror? you can't get to openzaurus.org ? |
| 09:37.01 | TCMAN | http://zaurii.com/oz/3.2/ |
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| 09:37.55 | mchang | anyone see this? http://www.crosstalk.co.jp/product/ci/index.html |
| 09:38.33 | George- | hey TCMAN |
| 09:38.35 | minipanda | thank TCMAN:! |
| 09:39.07 | TCMAN | George-: wassup |
| 09:39.12 | George- | mchang: you should have seen some of the pictures of my machine before it was repaired |
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| 09:46.48 | darmou | Has anyone tried to install the hancom apps in the lastest oz? |
| 09:47.17 | minipanda | TCMAN: the opie style ipkg can running on the origianlly ROM? |
| 09:50.39 | George- | that's SOO cool |
| 09:50.50 | George- | OpenFirmware Password is immune to the reset button :) |
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| 09:53.13 | kybu | hi |
| 09:58.42 | TCMAN | minipanda: i think most of them need libopie and other stuff |
| 09:59.16 | TCMAN | minipanda: i think there is whole bunch of opie stuff on ZSI |
| 10:00.06 | minipanda | TCMAN: if i just want to running such opie's applications , what can i do under origianal ROM? |
| 10:00.43 | TCMAN | go here and look for opie http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 10:01.22 | George- | minipanda: goto opie.net.wox.org |
| 10:01.43 | TCMAN | opie media player playlist editor sucks big time |
| 10:02.03 | TCMAN | clearing play list leaves some stuff in memory |
| 10:02.39 | George- | opieplayer2? |
| 10:02.49 | TCMAN | George-: yes |
| 10:02.57 | George- | TCMAN: go complain to Harlekin |
| 10:03.15 | TCMAN | George-: where is he ? :) |
| 10:03.43 | George- | #handhelds.org |
| 10:03.46 | George- | normally |
| 10:04.12 | TCMAN | George-: opie bugs should go to opie bug db, right ? |
| 10:04.30 | George- | but Harlekin is the op2 dev :) |
| 10:04.48 | George- | if you want to go thru the bugtracker.. then fine, that may be better |
| 10:05.28 | TCMAN | George-: it requires username and registration, crap (opie bugtracker) |
| 10:05.37 | George- | TCMAN: yes, register... |
| 10:07.44 | TCMAN | George-: tomorrow ... |
| 10:08.35 | TCMAN | George-: it looks like you have to sell it on ebay :) |
| 10:08.42 | George- | my sole aim seems to be to cost apple as much money as possible until they give me a tibook that works |
| 10:08.50 | George- | TCMAN: I wouldn't get more than 1000 USD for it |
| 10:08.59 | George- | TCMAN: And I payed 4600 USD for it... |
| 10:09.02 | George- | TCMAN: NO WAY |
| 10:09.06 | TCMAN | George-: ouch |
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| 10:09.26 | TCMAN | George-: thats what you get for buying bleeding edge shit |
| 10:09.38 | George- | TCMAN: there's an easier way... I yell at apple until they replace it |
| 10:09.38 | TCMAN | George-: i am cheap bastard :) |
| 10:10.02 | TCMAN | George-: do you still have warranty ? |
| 10:10.07 | George- | yes, 3 years extended |
| 10:10.12 | George- | It's going back today |
| 10:10.16 | George- | or tomorrow |
| 10:10.21 | George- | not sure when they've arranged for pickup |
| 10:10.37 | TCMAN | George-: good luck, hopefully one time will be enough |
| 10:10.47 | George- | this is the third. |
| 10:11.12 | TCMAN | George-: yikes! what breaks in this powerbook ? |
| 10:11.15 | George- | been in twice so far.. wasted 8 weeks |
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| 10:12.23 | George- | TCMAN: to put it bluntly.. IT'S FUCKED |
| 10:13.42 | TCMAN | George-: wow, dude this is really one fucked notebook |
| 10:14.12 | George- | TCMAN: You think I haven't noticed? I the one that has to use this |
| 10:15.16 | phoen][x | you can give it to me |
| 10:15.25 | George- | phoen][x: trust me, you don't want it |
| 10:15.27 | phoen][x | i'll get you hmmm a 32mb cf card? |
| 10:15.28 | phoen][x | :) |
| 10:15.48 | George- | i already have a 160M one ;) |
| 10:16.00 | minipanda | TCMAN: if i can run opie's applicaitons under qtopia, so why i still need update to openzaurus ROM |
| 10:16.30 | George- | phoen][x: and a 128MB SD :) |
| 10:16.45 | phoen][x | bitch! |
| 10:16.50 | TCMAN | minipanda: OZ has better kernel, more drivers, many components updated, and whole opie environment is better |
| 10:17.04 | phoen][x | TCMAN: thats why you use the sharprom? :) |
| 10:17.20 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i use OZ 3.2 |
| 10:17.21 | George- | phoen][x: and another 64MB MMC, and a 64MB CF, and a 32MB CF |
| 10:17.33 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i used sharprom for 1 day :) |
| 10:17.49 | minipanda | TCMAN: why only 1 day? |
| 10:17.51 | phoen][x | George-: you shut up. :) i dont have one sd card (well besides the 16m'ish in my digicam) |
| 10:18.02 | phoen][x | TCMAN: why so long? |
| 10:18.04 | TCMAN | phoen][x: just because i got it in the morning and didnt have time to flash it at work :))) |
| 10:18.07 | yeiazel | I used sharp ROM 1 day too |
| 10:18.08 | George- | phoen][x: heh, ok |
| 10:18.16 | George- | phoen][x: just be glad you don't have a fucked up notebook |
| 10:18.20 | yeiazel | I got it the evening and flashed it at work |
| 10:18.20 | yeiazel | :) |
| 10:18.39 | TCMAN | George-: i have never had brand new notebook |
| 10:18.44 | phoen][x | George-: and there you are - a guy with tons of cf/sd-cards crying about a broken notebook |
| 10:19.00 | George- | TCMAN: the only way I could the third CD to eject was by disassembling the whole thing, suspending the CD drive in my hand downwards then powering it up with no case on, then hitting the eject button |
| 10:19.09 | George- | TCMAN: of course, I'm not going to *tell* them that |
| 10:19.31 | TCMAN | George-: crap, can you get rid of it ? |
| 10:19.45 | phoen][x | George-: did i tell you that i work for apple? ;) |
| 10:19.58 | George- | phoen][x: hrmm |
| 10:20.12 | phoen][x | okay, 't was a lame joke |
| 10:20.27 | George- | phoen][x: well, I know what I'm doing, I'm not the average idiot that blows up computers when they take them apart |
| 10:20.37 | George- | phoen][x: I know |
| 10:21.22 | darmou | has anyone tried to install the hancomm apps with the new oz? |
| 10:22.10 | George- | I've got them on oz 3.1rc2 |
| 10:22.15 | George- | or whatever it was called |
| 10:22.17 | George- | 3.2rc2 |
| 10:22.39 | darmou | for some reason I am getting post install errors |
| 10:22.54 | phoen][x | oh quickrip looks fine |
| 10:23.02 | phoen][x | http://freshmeat.net/projects/quickripdvd/?topic_id=125 |
| 10:23.22 | phoen][x | then again, there is dvdrip |
| 10:23.25 | George- | crap |
| 10:23.31 | George- | was gonna backup a load of data to CD |
| 10:23.35 | George- | but the CD drive is jammed |
| 10:23.36 | George- | forgot |
| 10:23.47 | TCMAN | i still use dvddecrypter->dvd2avi->avisynth/mpeg2dec->virtualdub :) |
| 10:24.00 | phoen][x | TCMAN: argh! |
| 10:24.24 | phoen][x | eeeek this thing is written in QT |
| 10:24.42 | George- | what's wrong with Qt |
| 10:24.51 | TCMAN | phoen][x: actually it works out pretty well :) |
| 10:24.52 | phoen][x | i'm a gtk2 monk |
| 10:25.01 | phoen][x | :) |
| 10:25.17 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i understand you, i use gnome/gtk too |
| 10:25.32 | phoen][x | George-: honestly, i dont want to install the whole qt for just a dvdripper. it takes ages to compile. |
| 10:25.43 | phoen][x | qt takes around 1hr on my box |
| 10:26.00 | George- | think yourself lucky |
| 10:26.07 | George- | it takes around 7 hours on my k6-2 |
| 10:26.23 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i emerged qt2 yesterday :) |
| 10:26.44 | George- | qt2 doesn't take long |
| 10:26.51 | George- | it's qt3 that really takes ages |
| 10:27.24 | TCMAN | George-: yeah, i emerged qt3 at work couple times |
| 10:27.27 | darmou | does anyone know if it is possible to get apps to use /dev/audio1 instead of /dev/audio? |
| 10:27.53 | phoen][x | and kde takes forever |
| 10:28.03 | TCMAN | in qte all apps are not reallt apps, just shared objects and they share memory space ? |
| 10:29.08 | TCMAN | or only applets ? |
| 10:29.26 | phoen][x | no idea |
| 10:29.44 | phoen][x | George-: listen to the CheerUp.mp3 |
| 10:29.58 | George- | OK, it's going in the box |
| 10:30.14 | phoen][x | George-: mplayer http://cvs.gentoo.org/~phoenix/downloads/CheerUp.mp3 |
| 10:32.34 | TCMAN | George-: isnt there some lemon law in england ? |
| 10:32.49 | George- | TCMAN: lemon law? |
| 10:33.04 | TCMAN | George-: there is one for cars at least in US |
| 10:33.37 | TCMAN | George-: basically if they repair it on warranty more than N times, the car is "lemon" and they have to give you new one |
| 10:34.22 | TCMAN | http://www.lemonlawamerica.com/ |
| 10:41.02 | Wintre | George: Apple quality, huh? |
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| 10:48.27 | root | re |
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| 10:51.49 | TCMAN | re |
| 10:52.01 | TCMAN | all fonts look like shit in xchat 2 |
| 10:53.03 | TCMAN | how do i turn of this lousy antialiasing ? |
| 10:58.51 | darmou | Will sharp build a syc solution for mac os x? |
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| 11:09.46 | darmou | I wish somone would fix konq so it can open google. I crashes on me every time I open google:( |
| 11:10.48 | TCMAN | google is fine here |
| 11:13.03 | TCMAN | time to go to sleep |
| 11:13.07 | TCMAN | good night |
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| 11:16.22 | darmou | what is ubrowser? |
| 11:22.31 | Davv | darmou: ubrowser is a web browser. Supports pictures and text (it is small in size). I find Konq Embedded much better. UBrowser is slow at times displaying a page (I think at times it is hung). |
| 11:28.13 | darmou | thanks Davv |
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| 13:09.50 | walid | i am trying to compile qtopia in redhat 8.0, i keep getting this : make[2]: *** [kernel/qapplication_x11.o] Error 1 |
| 13:10.06 | walid | ne clues where i am going wrong |
| 13:12.25 | George- | walid: could you possibly give a more helpful error message |
| 13:13.14 | walid | how, may I ask |
| 13:13.38 | George- | walid: like, the source file it fails on |
| 13:13.45 | George- | walid: and the error message it spits out |
| 13:16.14 | walid | I did steps 1,2 in the qtopia-free-1.6.0/README.html, now when I am in step 3 (# Install Qt/X11 2.3.2) thats what it spits out when I try make, I don't know how else could I report the msgs, I will use make 2>errors would that do? |
| 13:19.34 | walid | kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp, and the errors no matching function for call to `QWidget::x11Display() for example |
| 13:19.56 | walid | brb |
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| 13:25.26 | phoen][x | so, how does one unpack ipk2 files? |
| 13:26.07 | George- | phoen][x: they're an ar archive iirc |
| 13:26.07 | George- | phoen][x: or tar.gz |
| 13:26.25 | phoen][x | nope, that was ipk1 :) |
| 13:26.50 | phoen][x | you could do 'tar zxvf foo.arm.ipk' and get a control.tar.gz, a data.tar.gz and a few files |
| 13:26.59 | phoen][x | that doesn't work nemore |
| 13:27.47 | George- | do ar x <blah> then |
| 13:27.56 | George- | it's an "ar" archive |
| 13:28.01 | phoen][x | argh! |
| 13:28.36 | phoen][x | you are the shit, George- |
| 13:28.38 | George- | ? |
| 13:28.40 | phoen][x | thanks for it |
| 13:29.03 | George- | heh |
| 13:29.33 | phoen][x | so i finally can check in which python*.ipk the httplib.py is in |
| 13:31.13 | walid | George-: does the above source file, make any sense, and now that i can ping my zaurus from my laptop over usb, where should i go next to get it to sync to linux |
| 13:31.29 | walid | i guess that is so much too ask :) |
| 13:35.12 | George- | I'm sorry, I'm a bit busy |
| 13:35.58 | walid | It's ok, thanks for leting me know anyway, I will hopefully find my way out |
| 13:36.48 | phoen][x | its a pain |
| 13:37.02 | phoen][x | someone should program something like packages.debian.org |
| 13:37.47 | noiddaway | python, ugh |
| 13:37.50 | noiddaway | :-P |
| 13:38.33 | phoen][x | python is awesome mate |
| 13:38.49 | phoen][x | ./python-netclient_2.2.2-oz3/usr/lib/python2.2/httplib.py |
| 13:38.54 | phoen][x | hah, its in -netclient |
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| 14:26.06 | George- | Finished fixing my bow :) |
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| 14:52.08 | warmi | hi |
| 14:53.38 | noidd | hey warmi, how you doing? |
| 14:55.11 | warmi | I am fine thanks |
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| 14:56.44 | icefox | ah, my last day at sharp |
| 14:57.04 | warmi | anything new lining up for you ? |
| 14:57.09 | warmi | or still looking for a job ? |
| 14:57.20 | icefox | yup |
| 14:57.24 | icefox | still looking |
| 14:57.52 | warmi | what do you think will become of Sharp USA PDA division ? |
| 14:57.59 | warmi | you can speak freely now |
| 14:58.00 | warmi | :-) |
| 14:58.03 | icefox | thinking of working at blockbuster for a month or two so I can watch all of the really really crapy funny movies for free that I would never buy. |
| 14:58.14 | icefox | not yet |
| 14:58.20 | icefox | tomarrow I can :) |
| 14:58.46 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:59.26 | icefox | know of any other place I could work? |
| 15:00.51 | warmi | not really .. my divisions was trying to get some positions filled and I was trying to get tux_mike in , but Tribune as a complany is dragging its feets when it comes to hiring |
| 15:01.45 | George- | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/eric.rsoc/pict0276.jpg <-- Nwahahaha |
| 15:03.11 | George- | revolution os? |
| 15:03.19 | icefox | nice pic |
| 15:03.36 | yeiazel | revolution os ? Debian GNU/Linux |
| 15:03.42 | icefox | warmi: well I am not going anywhere fast :) |
| 15:03.51 | warmi | http://www.revolution-os.com/ |
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| 15:07.42 | icefox | got it from someone who said it was free on hp's site |
| 15:09.37 | cor | wow, OZ 3.2, emacs, busy weekend |
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| 15:22.03 | George- | caldera? they're still alive? |
| 15:23.03 | digitalnick | is it free on hps site? |
| 15:23.13 | yeiazel | George-: SCO/Caldera |
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| 15:37.38 | Zarchon | Hello |
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| 15:45.28 | cor | whoa, this is weird, i just turned on my Z (as per usual it prompts for the passcode) but the machine it totally frozen |
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| 15:49.28 | Zarchon | You know, the ubrowser package is a nice idea and all, but its silly that neither it nor the konqueror browser configured for the Z provide a User-Agent string. |
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| 15:50.30 | Zarchon | There doesn't appear to be a config file to add one. Where do I report this bug in the hopes of it getting fixed? |
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| 15:52.00 | Zarchon | no takers? |
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| 16:01.21 | IRCMonkey_ | dyu all reckon the 5500 is worth the money? |
| 16:01.30 | Techie2000 | Yeah |
| 16:01.32 | Techie2000 | :-) |
| 16:01.37 | digitalnick | i just bought one |
| 16:01.50 | Techie2000 | I have and love mine... |
| 16:02.01 | digitalnick | IRCMonkey_: you can get them off ebay a little cheaper |
| 16:02.06 | warmi | IRCMonkey_: depends on the price tag :-) |
| 16:02.09 | digitalnick | i cant wait to get it |
| 16:02.14 | IRCMonkey_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.22 | digitalnick | IRCMonkey_: i got one for 250 |
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| 16:02.44 | IRCMonkey_ | 250 USD/GBP? |
| 16:02.48 | digitalnick | usd |
| 16:03.17 | IRCMonkey_ | i've been bidding but I'm unconvinced about paying too much at the moment |
| 16:03.31 | digitalnick | retail is 400 |
| 16:03.40 | warmi | digitalnick: not anymore |
| 16:03.41 | digitalnick | 250 is a good price |
| 16:03.41 | IRCMonkey_ | a friend has one and he says it has crashed several times with the loss of all data |
| 16:03.45 | warmi | not for 5500 |
| 16:03.47 | digitalnick | ahh it dropped? |
| 16:03.51 | digitalnick | what is it now? |
| 16:04.02 | digitalnick | IRCMonkey_: what os is he running? |
| 16:04.15 | warmi | digitalnick: I don't think anyone sells 5500s anymore .. recently there was a sale at hsn for $160 or so |
| 16:04.28 | digitalnick | really |
| 16:04.47 | digitalnick | since when? |
| 16:05.34 | warmi | I think that sale is over now |
| 16:05.45 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 16:05.56 | warmi | btw .. read the topic , digitalnick |
| 16:05.59 | warmi | hi mewyn |
| 16:06.11 | IRCMonkey_ | one went recently on e-bay for 190GBP |
| 16:06.35 | digitalnick | ahh |
| 16:06.39 | IRCMonkey_ | wots HSN? |
| 16:06.45 | digitalnick | home shopping network |
| 16:06.49 | IRCMonkey_ | ah |
| 16:08.03 | mewyn | warmi: no news i assume. |
| 16:08.19 | warmi | mewyn: nope |
| 16:08.54 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 16:09.01 | kergoth | mornin |
| 16:09.32 | mewyn | hey kergoth |
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| 16:16.46 | cbok | KRGOTH |
| 16:16.48 | cbok | hi |
| 16:16.55 | kergoth | hey cbok |
| 16:17.00 | cbok | say.... i have some feedback on 3.2 if you are interested |
| 16:17.00 | kergoth | how geos it |
| 16:17.05 | kergoth | sure |
| 16:17.19 | cbok | where the f is irssi? hmmm? |
| 16:17.26 | cbok | oh, and 3.2 functions great, so far. :) |
| 16:17.38 | cbok | still have to manually udhcpcd the hawking ethernet card |
| 16:18.56 | kergoth | thats odd. if you ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; does udhcpc get spawned at all? |
| 16:19.22 | cbok | lemme eject |
| 16:19.27 | cbok | and do that cmd-line style |
| 16:19.33 | cbok | sec pls. |
| 16:20.24 | walid | I copied ipks to a CF card, but I can seem to see them in the Install/uninstall Software |
| 16:20.48 | kergoth | k |
| 16:20.51 | cbok | walid - can you see the card? |
| 16:20.52 | walid | is there another way to install an ipk without using a CF/SD |
| 16:21.00 | cbok | the cf/sd works fine |
| 16:21.13 | cbok | kergoth - perhaps i have jumped the gun a bit here... |
| 16:21.16 | kergoth | k |
| 16:21.18 | walid | I am trying to install the terminal, so I don't know how else could i see the card |
| 16:21.21 | cbok | ifdown / if up works good (manually) |
| 16:21.32 | cbok | walid - uhm - file manager? |
| 16:21.36 | kergoth | ah, but it doesnt work when you insert the card on its own? |
| 16:21.37 | walid | ok one sec |
| 16:21.48 | cbok | kg - *nod* |
| 16:21.51 | kergoth | card insertion just calls ifup, actually |
| 16:21.54 | kergoth | but it coudl be timing |
| 16:21.58 | cbok | *nod* |
| 16:22.01 | kergoth | tryignh to ifup before the card is fully up & ready to roll |
| 16:22.06 | cbok | nice.. |
| 16:22.12 | kergoth | but that should just result in udhcpc staying running the in the background |
| 16:22.13 | cbok | should i upgrade anything? |
| 16:22.16 | cbok | *nod* |
| 16:22.20 | kergoth | if it cant get an ip right away, it backgrounds and resends periodically |
| 16:22.20 | cbok | agreed, i know that was the goal |
| 16:22.25 | cbok | OH? |
| 16:22.26 | cbok | nice.. |
| 16:22.29 | kergoth | are you _sure_ udhcpc isnt running after insertion? |
| 16:22.32 | kergoth | ps -ef|grep udh |
| 16:22.47 | cbok | should i reboot or just eject again? |
| 16:22.51 | cbok | (to test) |
| 16:23.00 | kergoth | eject using opie or cardctl |
| 16:23.09 | kergoth | i noticed my card hates me really badly if i yank without ejecting properly |
| 16:23.11 | kergoth | kinda odd |
| 16:23.22 | cbok | *nod* |
| 16:23.30 | cbok | i will eject properly (which i usually do) |
| 16:23.48 | kergoth | k |
| 16:24.35 | walid | strange, now it works, after I reinserted the card again, bit I don't have a filemanager either :( |
| 16:25.59 | cbok | walid - wtf are you running? |
| 16:26.42 | walid | the original image that comes with the zaurus 5500 |
| 16:26.57 | walid | its a new toy |
| 16:27.02 | cbok | so why not use open zaurus? |
| 16:27.08 | zoid | walid: flash to OZ...it's much better |
| 16:27.10 | cbok | openzaurus.org |
| 16:27.22 | zoid | but before you do, you might want to rip the hancom apps, opera, and jeode |
| 16:27.29 | cbok | kergoth - apologies on the delay, i actually have to work.. |
| 16:27.42 | cor | icefox what's that about? |
| 16:27.50 | walid | zoid, thats what I am trying to, I need to rip first hancom, and co. |
| 16:27.52 | digitalnick | if i flash oz in is there any way to get the zaurus rom back first? |
| 16:27.56 | kergoth | digitalnick: yes |
| 16:28.00 | icefox | i am no longer working for Sharp at the end of today |
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| 16:28.21 | digitalnick | why is that icefox |
| 16:28.21 | cbok | kergoth - the ps returns udhcpc eth0 AND udhcpc -b -p /var/run/udhcpc.eth0.pid -i eth0 |
| 16:28.23 | zoid | icefox: why not |
| 16:28.25 | cor | icefox crappy (for us and sharp) |
| 16:28.43 | kergoth | cbok: hmm. wonder if thats normal behavior. is one of those the parent process of the other? |
| 16:28.47 | cbok | after approx 50-60 seconds, i worked. |
| 16:28.50 | kergoth | ah, okay |
| 16:28.52 | icefox | my contract ended |
| 16:28.53 | walid | I should say CF when the install program asks me where I should install HANCOM Creator etc? |
| 16:28.59 | cbok | kg - of course, in re: parent process |
| 16:28.59 | icefox | and they didn't want to extend it |
| 16:29.06 | kergoth | cbok: okay, gotcha |
| 16:29.07 | icefox | walid: doesn't matter |
| 16:29.25 | cbok | kg - please excuse my conclusion jumping.. |
| 16:29.30 | zoid | cbok: yes, say CF |
| 16:29.32 | kergoth | np, it happens |
| 16:29.33 | cbok | kg - i'm happy to see it functions quite well |
| 16:29.41 | zoid | icefox: he's installing the hancomcreator :) |
| 16:29.55 | kergoth | hrm hrm |
| 16:29.57 | kergoth | need more caffeine |
| 16:30.07 | cbok | :) |
| 16:30.09 | icefox | zoid: i know |
| 16:30.09 | cbok | its the best man |
| 16:30.11 | icefox | I wrote it |
| 16:30.27 | cbok | now, on to more pressing matters |
| 16:30.33 | zoid | icefox: but what if he chose to install it to the z's memory and not cf? |
| 16:30.36 | walid | :) thanks for it |
| 16:30.38 | zoid | then he flashed, it would be gone, heh |
| 16:30.39 | cbok | kg - are you stil having compilation issues with my fav. cmd line irc client? |
| 16:30.49 | kergoth | actually no |
| 16:30.54 | kergoth | i compiled it and ran it on my c700 yesterday |
| 16:30.58 | cbok | ooooh. |
| 16:31.00 | cbok | k. |
| 16:31.02 | icefox | zoid no matter were you install the ipk you have to move the ipks after wrods |
| 16:31.07 | kergoth | let me see if it builds in my 5000d/5500 tree, if so i'll upload the ipk |
| 16:31.11 | cbok | NICE.. |
| 16:31.14 | icefox | me wants he kinessis |
| 16:31.17 | kergoth | c700 has a weird behavior |
| 16:31.19 | kergoth | run irssi |
| 16:31.23 | kergoth | type _9_ characters |
| 16:31.23 | cbok | kg - are you keeping the c700 |
| 16:31.24 | kergoth | Z hangs. |
| 16:31.27 | zoid | icefox: why? i installed to SD, and it spit the ipk's to SD for me |
| 16:31.27 | cbok | REALLY? |
| 16:31.28 | kergoth | exactly 9 characters |
| 16:31.28 | cbok | weird |
| 16:31.34 | cbok | thats f'ed. |
| 16:31.36 | icefox | zoid really |
| 16:31.37 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 16:31.40 | icefox | cool :) |
| 16:31.41 | zoid | icefox: yep |
| 16:31.43 | zoid | heh |
| 16:31.43 | kergoth | alos, it occasionally hangs when tab completing |
| 16:31.50 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:31.57 | cbok | some type of buffer issue? |
| 16:32.08 | kergoth | not sure.. wasthinking along those lines |
| 16:32.10 | cbok | are you keeping this c700? |
| 16:32.18 | kergoth | maybe keyboard driver, or something wrong with the framebuffer console |
| 16:32.26 | kergoth | technically its on loan. i havent heard anything from dynamism recently |
| 16:32.40 | cbok | will you purchase one at some point? |
| 16:32.58 | cbok | like, have you bought more into the c700 than the 5xxx models? |
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| 16:34.05 | digitalnick | the c700 looks nice |
| 16:34.13 | kergoth | I prefer its formfactor.. so i'd probably buy one. |
| 16:34.24 | kergoth | if i have to send this back, i'll wait and see if they release a similar unit in the us first |
| 16:34.52 | cbok | *nod* |
| 16:34.56 | kergoth | ~lart binutils |
| 16:35.00 | digitalnick | hehe |
| 16:36.17 | treke | a-rete's c700 is still down at 100 |
| 16:37.25 | icefox | man I wish I has a AS/400 |
| 16:38.17 | cor | icefox so what's in the plans now? (if you don't mind me asking) |
| 16:38.25 | icefox | find a qt developer job |
| 16:38.32 | icefox | badlee |
| 16:38.43 | icefox | maybe take a english corse |
| 16:39.08 | cor | heh |
| 16:39.56 | icefox | know any qt jobs? |
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| 16:40.16 | cor | icefox well good luck to you on that front |
| 16:40.29 | icefox | heh |
| 16:40.41 | icefox | otehrwise eat pies, visit old friends, hack at kde |
| 16:40.47 | Wintre | icefox: Hm? What happened? |
| 16:40.47 | cor | icefox me no, i can ask a gent i work with (in the kde group) |
| 16:41.06 | icefox | contract ended |
| 16:41.15 | icefox | cool, thanks |
| 16:41.17 | Wintre | Ah, I see |
| 16:41.21 | Wintre | cor: Whcih gent? |
| 16:41.40 | cor | Aaron Seigo |
| 16:42.04 | Wintre | Dunno him |
| 16:42.16 | kergoth | binutils can blow me |
| 16:42.18 | kergoth | ~lart binutils |
| 16:45.02 | MacGyver | i want play mame on zaurus....c700 |
| 16:45.23 | kergoth | MacGyver: someone reported success on that |
| 16:45.23 | minipanda | mame can running very well on sl5500? |
| 16:45.32 | kergoth | try maxmame in Zoom mode |
| 16:46.09 | zoid | is there a good nes/snes emulator? |
| 16:46.17 | zoid | or gba for that matter, gba would be nice :) |
| 16:48.06 | walid | may I ask how do I move the ipks that are created by by hancomcreator to my laptop |
| 16:48.07 | walid | ? |
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| 16:57.36 | cbok | walid - ftp? |
| 16:57.49 | cbok | walid - sync cradle? |
| 16:58.13 | cbok | walid - unscrew the back of your 5500 and pull out the ram? |
| 16:59.20 | George- | cbok: the ram is soldered on |
| 16:59.47 | cbok | george - see on websters.com "sarcasm" |
| 17:00.02 | walid | cbok: the sync doesn't seem to work for documents, I am using Qtopia 1.6beta2, copied them to flash instead |
| 17:00.05 | George- | oh my god! I'd never have guessed. |
| 17:00.28 | cbok | you'll figure it out |
| 17:00.29 | walid | cbok: understandable |
| 17:00.30 | cbok | as we all did |
| 17:07.01 | George- | CAN SOMEBODY HELP ME?!?!?!?! |
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| 17:07.14 | George- | ;) |
| 17:07.17 | kergoth | no |
| 17:07.53 | treke | we can help you die if you'd lke |
| 17:07.54 | bipolar | George-: we're all idiots here... no one is allowed to be helpful.... |
| 17:07.59 | George- | hehe |
| 17:09.20 | George- | oh well |
| 17:09.55 | George- | I've got the email from this "freelance journalist" with loads of Qtopia questions |
| 17:10.08 | George- | heh |
| 17:11.29 | minipanda | kergoth: seems that some of the opie's ipk can not intall on my originnal ROM zaurus! after i opened the package manger, there isn't a pakage for me to make selection :-( |
| 17:12.02 | treke | most of them cannot |
| 17:12.10 | treke | possibly even all of them |
| 17:12.14 | George- | is the API for WinCE 100% source compatible with the MFC for Windoze? |
| 17:12.37 | untorn | how do you play music through the buzzer in oz 3.2 |
| 17:12.37 | George- | (like qt2/x11 apps are with qtopia/qte) |
| 17:13.14 | treke | qtopia isnt 100% compatible with qt/x11 |
| 17:13.26 | George- | treke: it's almost 100% compat |
| 17:13.34 | George- | treke: probably 90% |
| 17:13.52 | George- | treke: from an applications point of view it basically is |
| 17:14.07 | kergoth | minipanda: thats expected |
| 17:14.12 | kergoth | minipanda: the ipk file format changed |
| 17:15.10 | treke | George-: There are many missing classes, some of them are commonly used classes |
| 17:15.20 | George- | treke: they can be compiled in |
| 17:15.27 | George- | treke: as a static library if needs be |
| 17:15.44 | kergoth | cbok: bleh, irssi requires glib2, which requires an x86 build of glib2, which is failing for some unknown reason.. working on it |
| 17:15.45 | George- | treke: but then again, I forgot that |
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| 17:16.35 | minipanda | so kergoth: can i install and use that kind of package? without using openzaurus' ROM? |
| 17:17.14 | kergoth | minipanda: only if you replace your ipkg with a newer version |
| 17:17.40 | minipanda | a newer version? why? |
| 17:18.43 | minipanda | kergoth: BTW, it's very strange that if i use intellisync to transfer some files or use samba client mount remote filesystem, the zaurus always make some ugly links to desktop! |
| 17:18.53 | kergoth | minipanda: because the old as dirt ipkg on sharp cantg install new format ipks. |
| 17:18.57 | kergoth | minipanda: new ipkg can use boht |
| 17:19.45 | minipanda | kergoth: there are very foolsih setting's in default mediea player too! only can play the files under /home/root/ |
| 17:19.57 | kergoth | yes, well, its sharp's rom, what do you expect? ;) |
| 17:20.00 | George- | does WinCE use the MFC? |
| 17:21.16 | minipanda | kergoth: where can i find more newer ipkg? |
| 17:21.35 | minipanda | kergoth: can i update my curent package installer? |
| 17:22.10 | minipanda | many opie's applications such like xmms and opie player2 can not running on my current ROM |
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| 17:22.22 | kergoth | of course they dont run |
| 17:22.26 | kergoth | i just fucking told you that |
| 17:22.36 | kergoth | you will not be able to run them unless you get a newer ipkg |
| 17:22.40 | kergoth | ZSI should have it |
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| 17:22.50 | kergoth | otherwise its in the oz feeds, or you can build it from cvs |
| 17:23.16 | George- | bah |
| 17:23.17 | digitalnick | minipanda: why not switch to oz? |
| 17:23.19 | bobbyd | hi |
| 17:23.43 | bobbyd | i used the hanhelds.org cluser to compile lua for the zaurus |
| 17:23.50 | bobbyd | it's cool ;) |
| 17:24.01 | kergoth | i think minipanda is on a c700 |
| 17:24.15 | minipanda | digitalnick: someone told me that hancom office can not running on opie, kergoth : nono just l5500 |
| 17:24.23 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:24.33 | kergoth | hancom runs on opie. you just need to use the hancom creator to build ipks before flashing oz |
| 17:24.42 | bobbyd | i cant wait untill OZ is released for the c700 ;) |
| 17:25.55 | minipanda | kergoth: i'll try it now! so if i meet some problem |
| 17:26.15 | minipanda | like "can not boot " after flash! please help me is possible! :-) |
| 17:27.11 | oberon | please tell me where to find xmms |
| 17:27.38 | kergoth | oberon: why dont you ASK, rather than begging |
| 17:27.44 | kergoth | annoys people les |
| 17:28.02 | oberon | hrhr |
| 17:28.12 | bobbyd | bobbyd: go to www.google.com, type xmms zaurus in the search field |
| 17:28.23 | bobbyd | that's all i would do i was going to find it |
| 17:28.25 | oberon | grml |
| 17:28.33 | oberon | ok |
| 17:28.35 | George- | oberon: check the OZ feeds, it's in there |
| 17:28.39 | kergoth | George-: no |
| 17:28.41 | kergoth | it isnt. |
| 17:28.47 | George- | kergoth: it used to be... |
| 17:28.55 | kergoth | xmms/mplayer didnt build for quite a while, and now xmms isnt even likely working |
| 17:28.58 | oberon | every website tells me |
| 17:29.00 | George- | ibot zsi xmms |
| 17:29.00 | kergoth | according to the xmms maintainer, anyway |
| 17:29.01 | treke | George-: the past is not the present |
| 17:29.09 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:29.14 | George- | it's on killefiz in any case |
| 17:29.36 | oberon | http://xmms-embedded.sourceforge.net/feed/ |
| 17:29.45 | oberon | that is a bit old?! |
| 17:30.25 | oberon | on killefiz.de is a link to openzaurus.og |
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| 17:34.59 | untorn | how do I play songs through the buzzer? |
| 17:35.09 | kergoth | read the mailing list archives |
| 17:35.17 | warmi | buzzer ? |
| 17:35.31 | oberon | xmms?! |
| 17:36.13 | kergoth | warmi: yes |
| 17:36.18 | kergoth | warmi: oz has a dsp driver for the buzzer |
| 17:37.22 | warmi | uh .... I doubt I would want to listen to any music using that "device" :-) |
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| 17:37.36 | kergoth | it sounds like crap |
| 17:37.41 | kergoth | but the 'oo thats neat' factor is there |
| 17:37.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:37.48 | warmi | yeah, just like old PC buzzer driver |
| 17:37.52 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:37.55 | phoen][x | i used xmms to play a track on that one |
| 17:38.01 | phoen][x | you dont hear nothing :) |
| 17:38.07 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:38.15 | phoen][x | you could also cat /dev/urandom into /dev/dsp1 |
| 17:38.27 | warmi | well, at least now it will be possible to make different noises |
| 17:38.32 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:38.38 | warmi | the original driver was only limited to couple of preprogrammed sounds |
| 17:38.50 | kergoth | its not exactly for mp3 use, but different clicks and the like would be nice |
| 17:38.53 | warmi | another example of original ROM siliness |
| 17:39.10 | kergoth | yeap |
| 17:39.18 | kergoth | ~bitchslap lineo |
| 17:39.19 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of lineo |
| 17:39.24 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 17:39.24 | | kergoth: :) |
| 17:39.40 | kergoth | cbok: k its building |
| 17:39.58 | kergoth | cbok: somehow my build os got set to windows/cygwin.. that made glib2 x86 compile very unhappy with me ;) |
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| 17:40.45 | oberon | http://xmms-embedded.sourceforge.net/feed/ is this the latest version of xmms? |
| 17:44.09 | phoen][x | btw, is there something better then opie-mediaplayer2 ? |
| 17:44.15 | phoen][x | for music playing. |
| 17:44.19 | George- | 4/ does the platform (Qtopia/Qte) have any disadvantages or drawbacks, or features that need improving upon? If so, what are these in your view? |
| 17:44.29 | George- | What would your answer to that question be? |
| 17:45.01 | Titeuf | re |
| 17:45.01 | gabe | ok, i'm really digging OZ 3.2 |
| 17:48.46 | phoen][x | George-: nah, its perfect. |
| 17:49.01 | George- | phoen][x: no way |
| 17:49.16 | George- | phoen][x: the documents tab and all accompanying shit is a complete joke |
| 17:49.24 | phoen][x | sssshhhh |
| 17:49.53 | untorn | whats the url for the mailing list archive |
| 17:50.32 | phoen][x | George-: well the documents tab is kinda weird yes, but who uses that anyways? :) |
| 17:50.53 | George- | phoen][x: it's a pile of bollocks.. You *can't* use it |
| 17:50.59 | gabe | phoen][x: in the launcher or in mediaplayer? |
| 17:52.39 | phoen][x | gabe: in the launcher |
| 17:56.53 | gabe | i use it |
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| 17:58.00 | warmi | gabe: it is fucked up big time .. for example installing qt docs ( hundreds of HTML files) makes it unusable ( takes ages to scan this stuff ) |
| 17:58.09 | gabe | hehe |
| 17:58.14 | gabe | yeah, that'd suck |
| 17:58.31 | gabe | i've got a list of bugs i've found so far in 3.2 |
| 17:58.45 | kergoth | cbok: irssi is in unstable/testing in a minute or two here. sf is being slow as hell |
| 17:58.54 | kergoth | gabe: open bug reports. if they're opie bugs, use mantis. otherwise use sf |
| 17:58.55 | kergoth | ibot: opie bugs |
| 17:59.00 | | opie bugs is, like, http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 17:59.00 | gabe | mantis? |
| 17:59.04 | gabe | ah, thanks |
| 17:59.24 | kergoth | bipolar: you around? |
| 17:59.50 | gabe | anyone happen to know where the f@#k the C function trUtf8() comes from? |
| 18:00.08 | George- | > 6/ what you think Trolltech needs to do to broaden its use among |
| 18:00.08 | George- | > developers? |
| 18:00.11 | George- | Any answers? |
| 18:00.47 | gabe | George-: provide a free version of qt/mac |
| 18:00.55 | George- | gabe: go away |
| 18:01.00 | gabe | heh |
| 18:01.11 | George- | gabe: this is Qt/E we're talking about |
| 18:01.36 | kergoth | gabe: you're using a qt3 uic |
| 18:01.39 | kergoth | gabe: not gonna work |
| 18:01.43 | kergoth | gabe: you need a qt2 uic |
| 18:01.46 | gabe | ah crud |
| 18:01.51 | polin8 | (by crap I mean $6 |
| 18:01.57 | polin8 | nm, wrong window |
| 18:02.01 | gabe | kergoth: thanks for the pointer |
| 18:02.04 | kergoth | np |
| 18:02.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:03.00 | cbok | any of your zaurus geeks using bluetooth w/55 or 5600? |
| 18:03.59 | gabe | oh, goody, they do |
| 18:04.22 | kergoth | cbok: okay, irssi is up. its not in Packages yet, but you can wget it |
| 18:04.26 | kergoth | cbok: irssi-common, irssi-text |
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| 18:09.24 | cbok | oooooooh |
| 18:09.37 | cbok | directory? |
| 18:09.46 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 18:09.52 | cbok | rad.. |
| 18:10.07 | phoen][x | kergoth: its sad that xmms did not make it into stable :/ |
| 18:10.19 | kergoth | phoen][x: according to denes it isnt usable atm |
| 18:10.24 | kergoth | needs fixing |
| 18:10.38 | phoen][x | kergoth: i use the latest one from testing(?) - this seems to work |
| 18:10.47 | phoen][x | and its better than opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 18:10.47 | kergoth | yes, and shits changed since then. |
| 18:11.06 | phoen][x | yeah |
| 18:11.20 | phoen][x | but it is a nice player nevertheless |
| 18:11.22 | kergoth | so we'll get mplayer back in, but xmms needs work yet |
| 18:11.31 | kergoth | you can of course use mplayer without xmms |
| 18:11.34 | kergoth | so at least you'll have something |
| 18:11.44 | phoen][x | what about mplayer corrupting the fb? |
| 18:11.51 | phoen][x | has that been taken care of? |
| 18:11.57 | kergoth | eh |
| 18:11.58 | kergoth | thats not a bug. |
| 18:12.03 | kergoth | thast an expected behavior. |
| 18:12.06 | phoen][x | yep it isnt |
| 18:12.13 | kergoth | use a script to refresh the launcher after running it |
| 18:12.19 | phoen][x | one could go through SDL to prevent that |
| 18:12.26 | kergoth | themastermind1 wants to do a little launcher icon to run mplayer and refresh launcher afterwards |
| 18:12.30 | phoen][x | yeah well that sounds even better |
| 18:12.31 | kergoth | the use of sdl cuts performance _badly_ |
| 18:12.37 | phoen][x | yes true indeed |
| 18:12.38 | kergoth | according to those who have tested it |
| 18:12.40 | kergoth | tmm1, onyx4 |
| 18:12.52 | kergoth | i dont maintain the xmms or mplayer oz packages |
| 18:12.58 | kergoth | so i'm not always up and whats goin on there |
| 18:13.08 | phoen][x | i had a launcher once, but it didnt refresh the fb |
| 18:13.14 | phoen][x | np kergoth |
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| 18:19.42 | NetAmp | shweeeet |
| 18:19.49 | NetAmp | OZ 3.2 final |
| 18:19.59 | kergoth | thanks |
| 18:20.14 | NetAmp | now the next thing we need |
| 18:20.20 | NetAmp | is a GBA emulator for OZ :P |
| 18:20.41 | NetAmp | err just kidding.. heh Z would probably burn up on one of those |
| 18:20.56 | gabe | i doubt it |
| 18:21.04 | gabe | isn't the gba a strongmarm processor also? |
| 18:21.11 | NetAmp | hm i believe so |
| 18:21.17 | NetAmp | but it has a GPU doesn't it |
| 18:21.22 | NetAmp | Z -> none |
| 18:21.29 | NetAmp | :S |
| 18:21.33 | warmi | gabe: CPU is not the problem .... all that custom graphics hardware is the problem |
| 18:21.37 | NetAmp | yah |
| 18:21.38 | NetAmp | :( |
| 18:21.53 | phoen][x | hehe, a GPU in a CF card would rock |
| 18:21.54 | gabe | ah |
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| 18:21.57 | NetAmp | haha |
| 18:22.00 | NetAmp | yeah! |
| 18:22.21 | kergoth | warmi: you were saying that ati imageon isnt very good? i seem to recall you mentioning something about it |
| 18:22.30 | gabe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.30 | gabe | with embedded memory RISC |
| 18:22.33 | gabe | whatever that means |
| 18:22.39 | NetAmp | yup |
| 18:22.58 | warmi | kergoth: well, I don't own a device with it but some PPC developers were talking about their games running slow on ATI based devices |
| 18:23.05 | kergoth | hmm k |
| 18:23.19 | gabe | are there devices i can purchase to rip my gameboy roms to play with gnutopia? |
| 18:23.28 | gabe | like, from the actual gb carts |
| 18:23.34 | warmi | gabe: just google for the games on the net :-) |
| 18:23.41 | gabe | heh |
| 18:23.48 | kergoth | heh, yeah that hardware exists though |
| 18:24.32 | gabe | woah, cool. |
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| 18:26.49 | erikd | lik sang! |
| 18:27.02 | kergoth | yo erikd |
| 18:27.05 | erikd | they have gb/gba -> pc connectors |
| 18:27.06 | erikd | heya |
| 18:28.00 | warmi | erikd; so how do you like it ? |
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| 18:28.09 | erikd | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 18:28.10 | erikd | :) |
| 18:28.24 | erikd | i bought the one that comes with mario sunshine |
| 18:28.35 | erikd | and i bought The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker |
| 18:28.47 | erikd | zelda is a blast |
| 18:29.30 | warmi | the only game I really like is "Pikmin" |
| 18:29.41 | erikd | hmm, haven't looked at that yet |
| 18:29.49 | erikd | all i can afford is those 2 for now :) |
| 18:29.53 | erikd | maybe i'll go rent some |
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| 18:30.48 | krezel | Is there a quick and dirty way to pop up a dialog box with a QLineEdit box in it? |
| 18:31.25 | krezel | kinda like QMessageBox? |
| 18:31.39 | erikd | http://www.zelda.com/gcn/index.jsp <-- what's cool is that the actual game looks almost just like that flash animation |
| 18:33.17 | warmi | krezel: nothing really, not in Qte for the Zaurus |
| 18:33.28 | warmi | just create one - 10 lines of code will do it |
| 18:33.55 | erikd | i should really start doing more zaurus dev |
| 18:34.32 | krezel | warmi: I'm too lazy for 10 lines :) |
| 18:34.53 | warmi | oh well .. then why are you coding in the first place :-) |
| 18:34.54 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:35.15 | erikd | this is where i expected darien to come in and beat me with something |
| 18:35.31 | kergoth | ~cluebat erikd |
| 18:35.36 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps erikd. |
| 18:35.37 | erikd | haha |
| 18:35.53 | erikd | hey darien :) |
| 18:35.57 | darienm | hey |
| 18:36.00 | Wintre | mmmmmm cupcake |
| 18:36.13 | krezel | cupcake? |
| 18:36.18 | erikd | the logo on my apple pen is getting scratched off :( |
| 18:37.36 | George- | I've just been told I wrote a serious document |
| 18:37.37 | George- | hahahaha |
| 18:37.42 | George- | ME? serious?!?!? ;) |
| 18:37.59 | warmi | George: I didn't say you wrote it .. |
| 18:38.00 | krezel | erikd: I got the apple pen too, it didnt last tha tlong |
| 18:38.09 | warmi | I said the one you send me looked like a serious document |
| 18:38.09 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:38.30 | George- | warmi: haha |
| 18:38.34 | George- | warmi: well I wrote that one ;) |
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| 18:40.47 | erikd | krezel: <stoned look>uhnnnnnn... it was a really nice pen, too!</stoned look> |
| 18:41.57 | polin8 | any common trouble shooting tips for opie failing silently with 3.2? |
| 18:42.15 | George- | polin8: reflash :) |
| 18:42.24 | polin8 | *sigh* |
| 18:42.28 | George- | WOW! SlashDot's crashed |
| 18:42.30 | polin8 | I was trying to avoid that |
| 18:42.36 | George- | he server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. |
| 18:42.36 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.47 | polin8 | damn |
| 18:42.53 | polin8 | wonder if its a ddos |
| 18:43.03 | polin8 | or just a taco bug |
| 18:43.34 | NetAmp | "The buzzer driver is now a proper dsp device, and can play normal sounds, mp3s, et cetera, though its quality is certainly lacking." |
| 18:43.38 | NetAmp | heh, funky |
| 18:43.48 | kergoth | polin8: /etc/init.d/syslog start; /etc/init.d/opie start; logread |
| 18:44.00 | polin8 | when I boot it kicks me to the terminal, and /etc/init.d/opie says its staring |
| 18:44.05 | polin8 | let me try syslog |
| 18:45.39 | djr | so whats new with oz over the weekend? hehe i was gone |
| 18:46.10 | polin8 | ok, that helps |
| 18:46.49 | polin8 | crit klog: EXT2-fs error, so maybe fsck |
| 18:47.14 | kergoth | djr: no critical bug reports against 3.2, thank god. only a few minimal ones |
| 18:47.54 | polin8 | /dev/mmcd is the SD card? |
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| 18:49.16 | djr | cool |
| 18:49.34 | djr | i used oz 3.2 all weekend long with no issues |
| 18:49.48 | kergoth | glad to hear it |
| 18:49.57 | djr | except i noticed that sometimes when you tell it to suspend... it oculd take up to a minute |
| 18:50.03 | djr | but maybe thats cause theres more in memory? |
| 18:50.10 | kergoth | nah, its a known behavior/bug |
| 18:50.20 | kergoth | due to us having to work around a bug in the apm implementation in the z kernel |
| 18:50.29 | djr | ah |
| 18:50.31 | djr | its not a big deal |
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| 18:50.48 | kergoth | yeah, an annoyance more than anything, and it'll go away when we update to a newer kernel |
| 18:50.55 | minipanda | kergoth: hi! is that debug version of zimage running slower than normal verison? seems the both are just in the same size! |
| 18:51.15 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:51.24 | kergoth | all debug does is sets console=tty0 instead of console=null |
| 18:51.32 | kergoth | so you see bootup and kernel messages |
| 18:51.54 | kergoth | both from kernel and sysvinit, and cardmgr, and anyone else who writes to /dev/console |
| 18:52.12 | polin8 | damn, thanks kergoth |
| 18:52.20 | minipanda | kergoth: oh! sorry ! but i miss understand the debug verison 's meaning! some times i'm using debug version of my binary for running on stimualtors :-) |
| 18:52.35 | kergoth | yes, its not like gcc -g or something |
| 18:52.40 | kergoth | i'll rename them to -verbose or something |
| 18:52.42 | polin8 | there's no reason why fsck.ext2 shouldn't work on an efs2 SD card? |
| 18:52.43 | kergoth | to be more clear |
| 18:52.48 | kergoth | polin8: should work fine |
| 18:52.52 | polin8 | heh |
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| 18:53.06 | polin8 | then whatever I did made mush out of this filesystem |
| 18:53.41 | polin8 | and I had moved /opt over to the SD |
| 18:57.34 | minipanda | kergoth: but i'm very strange why suggest using 40/24 default? |
| 18:57.53 | minipanda | seems without an sd or CF card i have to stored all the files on RAM :-) |
| 18:58.00 | kergoth | what? |
| 18:58.11 | kergoth | first, if you dont have cf, you cant install oz |
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| 18:58.23 | minipanda | kergoth: what? |
| 18:58.32 | kergoth | you need a CF card to install OZ |
| 18:58.35 | minipanda | can not i install that from USB link? |
| 18:58.36 | kergoth | read the fucking faqs |
| 18:58.39 | kergoth | no, you cant |
| 18:58.43 | kergoth | R |
| 18:58.43 | kergoth | T |
| 18:58.44 | kergoth | F |
| 18:58.44 | kergoth | M |
| 18:58.46 | minipanda | kergoth: sorry! |
| 18:58.51 | George- | rofl |
| 18:59.01 | George- | RTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFMRTFM |
| 18:59.03 | polin8 | R |
| 18:59.03 | polin8 | O |
| 18:59.05 | polin8 | T |
| 18:59.06 | polin8 | F |
| 18:59.07 | polin8 | L |
| 18:59.29 | posix4 | so my zaurus does not seem to be setting its ip address based on the network app information. What file should i edit. Does a daemon have to be running for it to bring the interface up and down as needed? |
| 18:59.30 | George- | minipanda: don't take it personally. He's an asshole to everyone ;) |
| 18:59.53 | treke | S-H-U-T-P-U |
| 19:00.03 | Wintre | Shutpu! |
| 19:00.05 | kergoth | posix4: pcmcia and/or hotplug brings it up when needed |
| 19:00.09 | treke | oop |
| 19:00.11 | posix4 | ok |
| 19:00.42 | posix4 | # /etc/init.d/hotplug start |
| 19:00.43 | posix4 | grep: /proc/hal/model: No such file or directory |
| 19:00.50 | kergoth | harmless |
| 19:00.53 | gabe | neat, now i can play gameboy gameso n my zaurus... |
| 19:01.03 | gabe | i just need to figure out how to remap the damn buttons |
| 19:01.05 | kergoth | posix4: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 19:01.05 | posix4 | ok so why is it broken |
| 19:01.15 | kergoth | how the fuck shoudl i know? you havent given me any information |
| 19:01.22 | kergoth | cf ethernet? wireless? usb? |
| 19:01.27 | kergoth | dhcp? static? |
| 19:01.30 | posix4 | kergoth: i want my sharp to be able to connect to the internet when it is plugged into the usb static |
| 19:01.41 | kergoth | okay, read the howto |
| 19:01.42 | posix4 | w/o me having to type it into the console |
| 19:01.45 | posix4 | which one |
| 19:02.00 | polin8 | its in the user guide |
| 19:02.02 | posix4 | # /etc/init.d/hotplug start |
| 19:02.02 | posix4 | grep: /proc/hal/model: No such file or directory |
| 19:02.04 | posix4 | woops |
| 19:02.07 | posix4 | How to set up an Ethernet over USB connection between the Sharp ... |
| 19:02.13 | kergoth | what rom? |
| 19:02.13 | posix4 | ? |
| 19:02.17 | kergoth | windows or linux desktop? |
| 19:02.33 | George- | look out... |
| 19:02.34 | posix4 | uh i am using openzaurus |
| 19:02.44 | posix4 | i will use either windows or linux |
| 19:02.52 | minipanda | kergoth: sorry for my foolish questions :-) |
| 19:02.58 | kergoth | posix4: then you dont have to do anything. just configure your desktop. |
| 19:03.02 | posix4 | it works fine |
| 19:03.13 | posix4 | i just want my zaurus to ifocnfig ... and route ... at the right time |
| 19:03.16 | posix4 | it isnt |
| 19:03.16 | kergoth | what works fine? what doesnt? |
| 19:03.36 | posix4 | the zaurus does not configure itself |
| 19:03.37 | kergoth | so ifconfig doesnt show the usb interface as up on your zaurus? |
| 19:03.41 | kergoth | *when plugged into usb* |
| 19:03.52 | posix4 | y |
| 19:04.15 | kergoth | ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0; |
| 19:04.31 | polin8 | kergoth: thanks for the syslog tip, after a _really_ ugly fsk it works now |
| 19:04.35 | posix4 | now how do i get it to automate that |
| 19:04.44 | posix4 | so when i plug it in it will run those |
| 19:04.48 | kergoth | posix4: you dont. it should be doing it right automatically |
| 19:04.50 | kergoth | heres the situation |
| 19:04.59 | kergoth | as i've explained at least 3 times on our mailing lists already |
| 19:05.06 | kergoth | there is a timing bug in the usbd stack on the zaurus |
| 19:05.10 | kergoth | LINEO's usbd stack |
| 19:05.13 | kergoth | occasionally |
| 19:05.21 | posix4 | ye i think i have seen it |
| 19:05.24 | kergoth | it calls ifup usbd0; ifdown usbd0; |
| 19:05.29 | kergoth | instead of ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0; |
| 19:05.33 | posix4 | so when you plug it in and out it might fix it thingy right |
| 19:05.37 | kergoth | its fairly random, and again is a timing issue |
| 19:05.37 | kergoth | yes |
| 19:05.40 | kergoth | because its random |
| 19:05.49 | Wintre | That is rather broken |
| 19:05.51 | posix4 | so can i just put a sleep |
| 19:05.58 | kergoth | Wintre: yes, it is |
| 19:06.15 | kergoth | posix4: theoretically yes, you could put a sleep in the net.agent for hotplug |
| 19:06.31 | kergoth | well actually, i'm no t sure thatd be sufficient |
| 19:06.33 | posix4 | is their a better way? |
| 19:06.36 | kergoth | the problem is the order of the eevents |
| 19:06.50 | posix4 | k |
| 19:06.54 | posix4 | which events |
| 19:06.58 | George- | kergoth: just out of curiosity, if usbdnet is so thoroughly broken, why don't we use something else? |
| 19:07.49 | kergoth | posix4: suspend and resume events |
| 19:07.55 | kergoth | George-: am i talking about usbdnet? fuck no |
| 19:07.57 | kergoth | i'm talking about usbd. |
| 19:08.03 | kergoth | which is device side, not host side |
| 19:08.11 | George- | kergoth: oh, whoops |
| 19:08.41 | cbok | kergoth - remember, "calm blue oceans.." |
| 19:09.39 | polin8 | why won't opera launch from opie? |
| 19:09.39 | kergoth | posix4: agaion, it appeasr to be a bug in the usbd stack and how it calls hotplug on the events |
| 19:09.45 | kergoth | it should |
| 19:09.57 | polin8 | I saw it mentioned in the ML archive that it won't but not why |
| 19:10.18 | kergoth | have you tried it? |
| 19:10.46 | posix4 | I will try the sleep |
| 19:11.02 | polin8 | yeah, but that FS corruption took me back a step, let me try something else |
| 19:11.09 | kergoth | k |
| 19:11.25 | kergoth | posix4: i'm hoping that when i switch to a slightly newer version of the usbd stack that the problem will go away |
| 19:11.39 | posix4 | I really don't think we a discussing the same bug. As the bug i have is reproducable 100% of the time when i plug it in and out |
| 19:11.48 | posix4 | I have seen the bug you are talking about and it is different |
| 19:11.48 | kergoth | are you dense? |
| 19:11.59 | kergoth | if you can fix it by calling ifdown, then ifup |
| 19:12.02 | kergoth | its hte same problem |
| 19:12.04 | kergoth | its TIMING |
| 19:12.10 | kergoth | it can occur all the time, or none of hte time |
| 19:12.14 | posix4 | let my try ifdown and ifup |
| 19:12.15 | kergoth | never, always, or random |
| 19:12.22 | George- | this is hilarious |
| 19:12.29 | George- | kergoth: calm down |
| 19:12.34 | posix4 | I have always down ifconfig and route |
| 19:12.44 | kergoth | what part of 'usbd is fucking broken' fails to sink in |
| 19:12.45 | posix4 | George-: I don't care. |
| 19:12.49 | kergoth | seems fairly simple to me |
| 19:13.01 | George- | kergoth: the "fucking" bit |
| 19:13.14 | kergoth | George-: you're so helpful |
| 19:13.15 | George- | kergoth: is usbd in love with broken or something? ;) |
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| 19:13.21 | posix4 | hmm so what do you want me to type in with ifdown and ifup |
| 19:13.36 | posix4 | to test it that is |
| 19:13.40 | kergoth | 13:04 <@kergoth> ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0; |
| 19:13.43 | posix4 | and yes i am very dense |
| 19:13.45 | kergoth | jesus fucking christ |
| 19:13.49 | kergoth | how many times should i say it? |
| 19:13.56 | kergoth | 13:04 <@kergoth> ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0; |
| 19:14.02 | kergoth | there, maybe a third time will help |
| 19:14.03 | posix4 | oh i saw that |
| 19:14.20 | George- | 13:04 <@kergoth> ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0; |
| 19:14.23 | posix4 | I am just dense |
| 19:14.24 | George- | 4th time lucky? |
| 19:14.43 | George- | yup, you're definitely dense |
| 19:14.53 | kergoth | if ifdown followed by ifup solves the problem, its the aforementioned hotplug event timing bug. |
| 19:15.27 | posix4 | ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "etc/network/interfaces" |
| 19:15.34 | George- | what's this about Jesus fucking Christ? |
| 19:15.36 | kergoth | well then, that explains it |
| 19:15.38 | George- | Jesus fucked himself? |
| 19:15.47 | kergoth | your z is pretty fucked iup, first of all |
| 19:15.47 | George- | ok, perhaps I should shut up now |
| 19:15.50 | posix4 | I guess i should make that file |
| 19:15.53 | kergoth | second, reinstall ifupdown |
| 19:15.55 | kergoth | no need |
| 19:15.57 | NetAmp | !lart George- |
| 19:15.59 | kergoth | just reinstall ifupdown, it includes it |
| 19:16.01 | NetAmp | ~lart George- |
| 19:16.04 | posix4 | ok |
| 19:16.05 | George- | hey NetAmp |
| 19:16.10 | NetAmp | hi George- |
| 19:16.14 | posix4 | thanks you have been very helpful |
| 19:16.28 | George- | posix4: if that doesn't work, bug kergoth again :) |
| 19:17.13 | NetAmp | yarr |
| 19:17.17 | NetAmp | i'm a ninja pirate |
| 19:17.19 | George- | kergothdesk: you'll never get banged by kergoth |
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| 19:17.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:17.34 | kergoth | hey wow |
| 19:17.39 | kergoth | c700 doesnt let you flash without AC plugged in |
| 19:17.41 | treke | ~lart George- |
| 19:17.42 | kergoth | never noticed that |
| 19:17.48 | George- | kergoth: that's pretty cool |
| 19:17.48 | treke | kergoth: good move |
| 19:18.01 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:18.06 | NetAmp | hmm I need to try OZ3.2... |
| 19:18.08 | kergoth | cept its error message was in japanese |
| 19:18.14 | kergoth | so i'm sitting here wondering wtf its bitching about |
| 19:18.17 | NetAmp | are there health risks involved? :P |
| 19:18.17 | posix4 | hey after reading the previous msgs i realized one thing |
| 19:18.20 | posix4 | you were wrong |
| 19:18.26 | posix4 | funny that |
| 19:18.28 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:18.40 | kergoth | no, i said that if ifdown followed by ifup solves it, its the timing bug |
| 19:18.48 | posix4 | hmm |
| 19:18.54 | posix4 | oh nevermind |
| 19:18.58 | kergoth | it didnt solve it |
| 19:19.00 | polin8 | kergoth: nm, I got it to work, had to add /opt/QtPalmtop to the path (which I had done right before the FS crapped, so I'd changed it back) |
| 19:19.00 | kergoth | hence it wasnt |
| 19:19.14 | polin8 | /optQtPalmtop/bin that is |
| 19:19.20 | kergoth | polin8: ahh yeah.. accidnetically removed it from path in /etc/profile in 3.2 |
| 19:20.05 | cbok | kg - update - irssi works on 5500 |
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| 19:20.15 | rev|desk | yoo |
| 19:20.16 | polin8 | that means the hancom apps probably will have the same issue |
| 19:20.25 | kergoth | polin8: as do the java apps |
| 19:20.29 | kergoth | polin8: most fail right now due to that |
| 19:20.33 | kergoth | nobody noticed tho :) |
| 19:20.35 | kergoth | eheh |
| 19:20.39 | polin8 | good to keep in mind when people ask |
| 19:21.24 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:21.27 | George- | kergoth: annoy annoy annoy annoy ;) |
| 19:21.31 | kergoth | i didnt realize it screwed with opera and hancom |
| 19:21.48 | polin8 | I'll install a hancom app and see if it does |
| 19:22.13 | kergoth | wonder if anyone would care if i swiped the clock background image from the clock in c700 |
| 19:25.14 | George- | kergoth: ? |
| 19:25.32 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:25.38 | George- | kergoth: you have a C700? YOU BASTARD! |
| 19:25.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:25.53 | NetAmp | :P |
| 19:25.58 | NetAmp | *grin* |
| 19:26.15 | George- | I mean, what has kergoth ever done for Sharp, apart from deter users from EVER going near their stuff :) |
| 19:26.21 | George- | "RTFM YOU STUPID FUCKING TWAT" |
| 19:26.23 | George- | ;) |
| 19:26.31 | NetAmp | jeesh |
| 19:26.42 | NetAmp | I should install a censorship bot in this room |
| 19:26.47 | NetAmp | that inludes punishment :P |
| 19:26.53 | George- | NetAmp: and try to get kergoth to agree? ;) |
| 19:26.54 | NetAmp | includes |
| 19:27.07 | NetAmp | maybe that too... |
| 19:27.08 | NetAmp | hah |
| 19:27.15 | George- | should I stick oz 3.2 on my Z? |
| 19:27.23 | NetAmp | but he needs it |
| 19:27.35 | NetAmp | his ToDo won't fit on a 5500 |
| 19:27.37 | rev|desk | anyone here had both a C700 and a 5500? |
| 19:27.41 | rev|desk | is the C700 noticably faster? |
| 19:27.43 | NetAmp | he needs a C700 for that :P |
| 19:27.46 | rev|desk | or about the same? |
| 19:27.55 | George- | rev|desk: from what I've heard, the C700 is relatively slower |
| 19:28.00 | rev|desk | ah |
| 19:29.08 | polin8 | kergoth: yeah, the hancom apps go to /opt/QtPalmtop/bin |
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| 19:31.47 | George- | cya kergoth |
| 19:31.51 | George- | kergoth: have fun and CHILL YOU |
| 19:31.52 | George- | er.. |
| 19:31.55 | George- | CHILL OUT |
| 19:32.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:32.08 | George- | I'm off |
| 19:32.11 | George- | *poof* |
| 19:33.16 | hardwire | chilly chilly co co puff.. |
| 19:33.22 | rev|desk | heh |
| 19:36.05 | posix4 | kergoth: hit me |
| 19:36.10 | posix4 | kergoth: i like it |
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| 19:38.03 | icefox | hey who is the Zaurus developer who is at RIT? |
| 19:38.26 | polin8 | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=distemper |
| 19:38.41 | rev|desk | i suffer from remix distemper |
| 19:38.43 | posix4 | that sleep thing seems to have fixed the random bug also |
| 19:39.00 | kergoth | posix4: where'd you insert the sleep? |
| 19:39.13 | posix4 | sleep 2 right before ifup |
| 19:39.38 | posix4 | hotplug/net.agent, just like you said |
| 19:40.11 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:40.14 | kergoth | k |
| 19:40.29 | posix4 | # diff -ru net.agent net.agent.cp |
| 19:40.29 | posix4 | # --- net.agent 2003-03-31 19:52:15.000000000 +0000 |
| 19:40.29 | posix4 | ---: No such file or directory |
| 19:40.29 | posix4 | # +++ net.agent.cp 2003-03-31 19:52:08.000000000 +0000 |
| 19:40.29 | posix4 | +++: No such file or directory |
| 19:40.30 | posix4 | # @@ -42,7 +42,6 @@ |
| 19:40.32 | posix4 | @@: No such file or directory |
| 19:40.34 | posix4 | # # such as whether/how to invoke DHCP, set up bridging, etc. |
| 19:40.36 | posix4 | # |
| 19:40.38 | posix4 | # # RedHat and similar |
| 19:40.40 | posix4 | # - sleep 2 |
| 19:40.42 | posix4 | -: No such file or directory |
| 19:40.44 | posix4 | # if [ -x /sbin/ifup ]; then |
| 19:40.46 | posix4 | > debug_mesg invoke ifup $INTERFACE |
| 19:40.48 | posix4 | > exec /sbin/ifup $INTERFACE |
| 19:40.50 | posix4 | woops |
| 19:40.52 | posix4 | sorry |
| 19:41.08 | posix4 | wrong term |
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| 19:44.08 | gaurdian | hey icefox |
| 19:44.15 | gaurdian | question for ya |
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| 19:45.21 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 19:45.35 | polin8 | is there a way to tell opie where to scan for media files? |
| 19:46.00 | polin8 | I have Documents on the SD card, and it finds 3 copies of every file in there |
| 19:46.10 | kergoth | docs tab follows symlinks |
| 19:46.18 | kergoth | and theres no way to disable that behavior afaik |
| 19:46.19 | kergoth | :\ |
| 19:46.19 | TCMAN | polin8: yes, its happens to me too |
| 19:46.33 | TCMAN | polin8: but i see 4 copies :) |
| 19:46.58 | yeiazel | is it possible to remove the "Documents" tab ? |
| 19:47.05 | treke | yeiazel: nope |
| 19:47.15 | TCMAN | where i can find the usb driver for win2k for syncing ? |
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| 20:00.00 | Taim | TCMAN: off the Sharp Zaurus CD...I have YET to find them floating around on anybody's site... |
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| 20:01.10 | andrew___ | Hello everyone. I was wondering if I should get a CF or SD card for playing MP3s on my Zaurus. Could someone help me out? |
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| 20:01.48 | TCMAN | Taim: darn, i have it at home |
| 20:01.59 | TCMAN | Taim: does the updated cd on sharp site contain it ? |
| 20:02.08 | yeiazel | andrew___: it depends totally. I'm using a CF card for oggs and mp3s because I keep a SD for installing apps |
| 20:02.32 | Taim | I believe so, but I could never justify d/ling it at work. They tend to be sticklers about bandwidth |
| 20:02.33 | TCMAN | i had some space left on SD so i put 200megs of mp3s there |
| 20:02.52 | TCMAN | Taim: no such problem here |
| 20:02.57 | andrew___ | yeiazel: Well, I will probably will want a Wireless CF card, so I'd need to use SD, right? |
| 20:03.19 | yeiazel | andrew___: I use a CF Wifi card too |
| 20:03.19 | yeiazel | :) |
| 20:03.25 | yeiazel | but I have apps on the SD :) |
| 20:03.29 | TCMAN | Taim: i have been downloading gigs of linux ISOs at 700KB/s here :) |
| 20:03.34 | andrew___ | yeiazel: Yeah, but what if I wanted to play MP3s at the same time? |
| 20:03.39 | Taim | TCMAN: then friggin go for it... |
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| 20:04.43 | TCMAN | Taim: i am :) |
| 20:05.01 | yeiazel | andrew___: mount a nfs share :) |
| 20:05.08 | NetAmp | dang |
| 20:05.13 | NetAmp | OZ boot makes me nervous |
| 20:05.26 | NetAmp | wheeee I get the crosshairs |
| 20:05.27 | andrew___ | yeiazel: Damn, you are smart, boy. I never thought of that. |
| 20:05.35 | yeiazel | andrew___: the SD port seems slower than the CF port... but I really don't know if I'm right or wrong about that |
| 20:05.36 | NetAmp | so far so good for 3.2 |
| 20:06.08 | TCMAN | how do i make surre that SD is synced and eject it in SHELL ? not in Opie ? |
| 20:06.12 | NetAmp | dude! |
| 20:06.17 | NetAmp | I like the new Icon set :D |
| 20:07.13 | andrew___ | How many people in here use OpenZaurus? |
| 20:07.39 | yeiazel | TCMAN: umount /mnt/card |
| 20:07.58 | TCMAN | yeiazel: i did that, but after reboot i had errors on sd card |
| 20:08.25 | yeiazel | oh |
| 20:08.49 | yeiazel | that's not good... |
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| 20:09.20 | polin8 | andrew___: I do |
| 20:09.34 | andrew___ | polin8: Do you consider it a lot better than the Sharp ROM? |
| 20:09.39 | polin8 | though "abuse" might be more appropriate than "use" |
| 20:10.42 | TCMAN | yeiazel: I have sandisk card, maybe this is the problem ? |
| 20:10.54 | polin8 | I like it quite a bit, being able to rearrange the memory/storage config alone makes it better, having the ROM section be r/w instead of ro is a big plus, and having kergoth in here to annoy with questions is a huge bonus :P |
| 20:11.21 | yeiazel | TCMAN: it could be. however, I've never had problemw with my sandisk SD |
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| 20:11.55 | the_hoser | anyone here using openzaurus and a pretec lan card? |
| 20:12.05 | TCMAN | yeiazel: there is some mention of fixed Sandisk SD problems in 2.38, i use OZ 3.2 so i think it contains those fixes |
| 20:12.06 | andrew___ | polin8: When you install OZ, does it hose the Sharp ROM and install over it? |
| 20:12.24 | yeiazel | I use 3.1rc3.1 |
| 20:12.27 | yeiazel | should upgrade... |
| 20:12.31 | polin8 | yes |
| 20:12.54 | the_hoser | i cant get my lan card working with OZ... otherwise... its awesome... |
| 20:12.59 | andrew___ | polin8: Well, I don't like a couple of things about the Sharp ROM, and was thinking of getting OZ. |
| 20:13.14 | polin8 | andrew___: try it |
| 20:13.17 | TCMAN | the_hoser: is pretec card prism2 based ? |
| 20:13.33 | polin8 | I don't know of anything the sharp ROM can do that OZ can't |
| 20:14.03 | the_hoser | TCMAN: i dont know... it just says NE 2000 Compatable... Support IEEE 802.3 |
| 20:14.46 | andrew___ | polin8: See you later. |
| 20:14.53 | the_hoser | i loaded the pcnet_cs module on the z... but it still calls it an unsupported card |
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| 20:15.58 | jobe | anyone using OZ sync with outlook? |
| 20:16.56 | TCMAN | the_hoser: oh, its regular ethernet card, it should work if its ne2000 compatible |
| 20:17.29 | TCMAN | the_hoser: you may probably need to add the card id to pcmcia configuration files |
| 20:18.30 | the_hoser | does the oz rom have a command similar to lspci that allows you to grap the identifier from the cf card... |
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| 20:19.51 | TCMAN | cardctl ident 0 |
| 20:20.45 | TCMAN | jobe: i am now trying to do that at work |
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| 20:26.11 | polin8 | re |
| 20:26.29 | jaku | ciao |
| 20:28.57 | noidd | hey guys, I know some of you will appreciate this: |
| 20:29.02 | noidd | http://www.cpan.org/ |
| 20:29.14 | noidd | looks like the owners of cpan have changed :-D |
| 20:29.49 | TCMAN | hehe |
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| 20:34.00 | fliplap | http://search.cpan.org is still almost the same, no biggie |
| 20:34.22 | noidd | fliplap: all the links go to the real cpan |
| 20:34.34 | noidd | any links off the front page |
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| 20:43.39 | NetAmp | http://www.morphgear.com/ |
| 20:43.53 | NetAmp | "MorphGear is an emulation system for Windows 98/2000/XP and Pocket PC " |
| 20:43.57 | NetAmp | Nintendo GameBoy Color |
| 20:44.00 | NetAmp | Nintendo GameBoy Advance |
| 20:44.09 | NetAmp | Super Nintendo Entertainment System |
| 20:44.14 | NetAmp | SEGA GameGear |
| 20:44.15 | NetAmp | etc. |
| 20:44.26 | NetAmp | we should be able to do that if a PocketPC can :P |
| 20:46.23 | jaku | :) |
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| 20:49.16 | NetAmp | hmmm... |
| 20:49.20 | rev|desk | there are plenty of things we should be able to do that PPC can :P |
| 20:49.26 | rev|desk | but who knows when tthey'll come :P |
| 20:49.31 | NetAmp | I could create a PPC emu |
| 20:49.36 | rev|desk | heh |
| 20:49.37 | rev|desk | yup |
| 20:49.39 | NetAmp | and then run the game emu on that |
| 20:49.42 | rev|desk | hah |
| 20:49.44 | NetAmp | :P |
| 20:49.46 | rev|desk | or |
| 20:49.48 | rev|desk | you could run bochs |
| 20:49.52 | NetAmp | yah |
| 20:51.55 | warmi | you people are dreaming |
| 20:51.56 | warmi | heh |
| 20:52.12 | rev|desk | or hallucinating |
| 20:52.15 | rev|desk | :) |
| 20:52.38 | jwiz | speaking of game emus, has anyone gotten gnuboy to work? |
| 20:53.09 | rev|desk | got to get in your Pokémon fix for the day? ;P |
| 20:53.20 | warmi | jwiz: on the zaurus rom ? |
| 20:53.32 | rev|desk | does the Z have the same problems with emu that the iPAQ has with having more than one button down at a time? |
| 20:53.40 | warmi | rev|desk: no |
| 20:53.47 | NetAmp | our dreams will become reality :P |
| 20:54.00 | rev|desk | warmi: good. ;) |
| 20:54.03 | NetAmp | the Zaurus will go beyond PPC :P |
| 20:54.20 | NetAmp | hah |
| 20:54.20 | rev|desk | PowerPC that is |
| 20:54.25 | NetAmp | ah why? |
| 20:54.26 | rev|desk | instead of StrongARM |
| 20:54.28 | NetAmp | to run MacOS? |
| 20:54.31 | rev|desk | nah |
| 20:54.34 | rev|desk | that'd be fun though |
| 20:54.38 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 20:54.48 | NetAmp | MacOS X rather |
| 20:54.50 | rev|desk | that new PPC PDA chip gets about twice the MIPS at 266 MHz and is still quite lower on power |
| 20:54.57 | NetAmp | wheee |
| 20:55.00 | NetAmp | slick |
| 20:55.06 | rev|desk | 400 MIPS at 266 MHz, the StrongARM gets 200 MIPS for 200 MHz |
| 20:55.19 | rev|desk | would be nice for what i do |
| 20:55.21 | rev|desk | but then again |
| 20:55.35 | NetAmp | the new OZ is smooooth btw |
| 20:55.39 | rev|desk | if i had that, better battery life, and VGA out, i'd sell my iBook and just use the Z :) |
| 20:55.52 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 21:05.19 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@m83-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) |
| 21:05.21 | George- | hey |
| 21:06.07 | noidd | hey george, how goes? |
| 21:10.02 | jobe | Does anyone know if the OZ sync with the Outlook at all? |
| 21:10.09 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:10.10 | kergoth | it works fine |
| 21:10.16 | kergoth | and that question is in the FAQs |
| 21:10.16 | kergoth | fyi |
| 21:10.38 | rev|desk | does OZ still use XML files like the sharp rom for PIM data? |
| 21:10.47 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:10.49 | kergoth | for now |
| 21:10.52 | rev|desk | i seem to recall reading that Sharp was going to be dropping that for newer Zaurii, or that they did in the C700 |
| 21:11.01 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:11.15 | rev|desk | a shame |
| 21:11.22 | rev|desk | but then again, any other easy to access for mat would be fine |
| 21:11.44 | rev|desk | a system DB would be preferrable, but only if there was an easy way to get at it via sockets or something |
| 21:12.00 | warmi | rev|desk: xml does make much sense for "on the fly" database on a device like ZAurus |
| 21:12.00 | jobe | kergoth, i can ping the desktop to OZ and vice versa, but can't get the intellisync to work |
| 21:12.12 | kergoth | jobe: read the faqs. |
| 21:12.17 | jobe | i'm usin' 5000d btw |
| 21:12.17 | George- | kergoth: wow... Did I just witness you not saying "RTFM"? |
| 21:12.20 | TCMAN | kergoth: how do i make sure that SD is completely synced and ejected before reboot? |
| 21:12.20 | kergoth | chances are you didnt run security and hit ok |
| 21:12.23 | kergoth | or something else foolsih |
| 21:12.32 | kergoth | TCMAN: all filesystems are unmounted on shutdown |
| 21:12.33 | warmi | rev|desk: sqlite or something like that with a standart API would be the best chocie |
| 21:12.38 | kergoth | TCMAN: by the umountall script |
| 21:12.42 | rev|desk | warmi: how small is sqlite? |
| 21:12.43 | kergoth | warmi: opie has a sqlite backend |
| 21:12.46 | TCMAN | kergoth: i synced and unmounted and got SD fs corruption |
| 21:12.48 | kergoth | just needs to be fixed up and used |
| 21:12.52 | warmi | rev|desk: very small |
| 21:12.52 | rev|desk | kergoth: it does? do a lot of apps use it? |
| 21:12.57 | rev|desk | or is it just sitting there? |
| 21:13.08 | kergoth | its not being used yet |
| 21:13.12 | rev|desk | warmi: then that would be definately good... does sqlite have a simple socket server? |
| 21:13.27 | kergoth | opie has a pim backend, with both sqlite and xml support |
| 21:13.32 | rev|desk | ah sweet |
| 21:13.33 | warmi | rev|desk: no .. sqlite is a file based database |
| 21:13.38 | cbok | n/me listens to the JayHawks |
| 21:13.39 | rev|desk | warmi: ah |
| 21:13.42 | cbok | damnit |
| 21:13.44 | warmi | not socket - you don' want that on a PDA too heavy |
| 21:13.55 | rev|desk | a very simple socket server does not have to be heavy |
| 21:14.00 | rev|desk | but i digress |
| 21:14.18 | warmi | rev:but why ? who would want to access a database on pda remotely ? |
| 21:14.29 | rev|desk | i would |
| 21:14.30 | djr | heh |
| 21:14.37 | warmi | I mean, all the programs that will need to access db will be running on the device itself |
| 21:14.46 | djr | i would too |
| 21:14.46 | kergoth | rev|desk: so fire up nanoweb with a simple web interface to access the pim data |
| 21:14.51 | kergoth | rev|desk: or use vnc and control it directly |
| 21:14.51 | djr | def handy for work |
| 21:14.52 | darius_ | Anyone know if there's an icecast/shoutcast source application ported to the Zaurus? |
| 21:15.02 | kergoth | darius_: opieplayer2 can play those streams |
| 21:15.08 | rev|desk | the goal would be to have a means to access PIM data programmatically without having to write code in C to use a particular API for db calls |
| 21:15.12 | rev|desk | XML works fine for that |
| 21:15.13 | darius_ | I want to create/source streams |
| 21:15.18 | rev|desk | and a very simpple socket server would too |
| 21:15.23 | rev|desk | i mean, it's not vital |
| 21:15.26 | rev|desk | but preferrable for me |
| 21:15.32 | kergoth | ehh? |
| 21:15.35 | kergoth | XML has numerous problems |
| 21:15.37 | djr | so write one ;) |
| 21:15.39 | NetAmp | I love it that FTP & SSH instantly works on OZ :D |
| 21:15.42 | warmi | rev|desk: well, it wouldn't be that hard to do |
| 21:15.43 | kergoth | not the least of which is the unnecessary flash writes |
| 21:15.47 | rev|desk | i am not saying XML isn't perfect |
| 21:15.50 | rev|desk | warmi: yup |
| 21:16.09 | rev|desk | warmi: a wee server that ran had the connection open when you wanted to sync with something else |
| 21:16.11 | rev|desk | like with iSync etc |
| 21:16.17 | rev|desk | for instance |
| 21:16.33 | kergoth | rev|desk: so add syncml support to opie or something |
| 21:16.50 | rev|desk | i have a script that intercepts emails i send to myself with info about an appointement to add to my PDA |
| 21:16.59 | warmi | that should be handled by an API or something like that .. the database itself could still be a file based like sqlite but the middelware would handle sockets etc |
| 21:17.07 | rev|desk | the script gets this email, parses it, and via serial, makes a new appointment |
| 21:17.12 | rev|desk | no need to use a special library |
| 21:17.21 | rev|desk | and i am porting this to the Z using the XML files |
| 21:17.27 | warmi | rev|desk: sorry but that sounds like a hack to me |
| 21:17.34 | warmi | the "ipkg" kind of hack |
| 21:17.36 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:17.36 | rev|desk | why? |
| 21:17.47 | rev|desk | i don't think it's a hack at all |
| 21:18.09 | warmi | well, it is fine for your personal use |
| 21:18.16 | rev|desk | and that is the goal |
| 21:18.35 | warmi | sure, but I wasn't talking about that when I mentioned library/API etc .. |
| 21:18.53 | icefox | bye! |
| 21:18.57 | rev|desk | ah :P ok |
| 21:19.03 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 21:19.10 | rev|desk | i'm not saying sqlite should do the sockets itself |
| 21:19.18 | rev|desk | and have the server running constantly when not needed |
| 21:19.47 | warmi | icefox: : I still expect you to reveal some juicy insides about Sharp failures etc .. |
| 21:19.49 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:20.05 | warmi | uh .. he is gone |
| 21:20.08 | rev|desk | i may just be a bit bitter because i've not been able to accomplish the same slick script on PocketPC without having to code in C to get at the DB |
| 21:20.10 | kergoth | heh |
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| 21:20.15 | rev|desk | which i think shouldn't be required |
| 21:20.16 | rev|desk | :P |
| 21:20.34 | kergoth | rev|desk: uh |
| 21:20.38 | kergoth | rev|desk: there are python sqlite bindings you know |
| 21:20.41 | kergoth | php as well |
| 21:20.45 | kergoth | probably perl also |
| 21:21.04 | warmi | rev|desk: well, it is done differently on PPC .. basically you are expected to purchase 3rd party product that will do stuff like that .. there are APIs available for this kind of stuff |
| 21:21.19 | lion | i am trying to install a program (tar.gz) after tar xvzf and cd i cant use "make" , whatm is the command to use make |
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| 21:21.35 | warmi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.44 | lion | tehres no ./configure |
| 21:21.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:21.52 | warmi | is it a binary ? |
| 21:21.58 | lion | another q does zaurus come with python |
| 21:22.03 | kergoth | no, but packages are available |
| 21:22.10 | kergoth | and qt bindings exist |
| 21:22.14 | warmi | lion: it doesn't but you can install it yourself |
| 21:22.20 | lion | i am trying to install "curphoo" for yahoo chat |
| 21:22.27 | rev|desk | warmi: no, you don't have to purchase a 3rd party product to do it- as i said, there are existing C APIs for getting at that stuff |
| 21:22.28 | kergoth | warmi: you try out oz 3.2 yet? :D |
| 21:22.34 | djr | and whats the holdup on kismet-qt? |
| 21:22.40 | rev|desk | yarr |
| 21:22.42 | kergoth | holdup? |
| 21:22.47 | kergoth | you mean getting it into the feed? |
| 21:22.51 | lion | where can i get python ( if tehres a speccial one for z |
| 21:22.53 | kergoth | probably the fact that i have a life |
| 21:22.53 | warmi | rev|desk: yeah, not if you are just a user |
| 21:22.56 | kergoth | tends to use up time |
| 21:23.02 | lion | or python.org should do it for me |
| 21:23.08 | warmi | kergoth: no, I haven't touched my zaurus since I released ZSurface |
| 21:23.09 | *** join/#zaurus djk (~djk@ool-44c14684.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:23.18 | warmi | I feel guilty |
| 21:23.20 | TCMAN | is there anything similar to cardctl eject 0 for SD ? |
| 21:23.24 | warmi | I wasted almost a month doing nothing :-) |
| 21:23.26 | kergoth | TCMAN: nope |
| 21:23.31 | kergoth | TCMAN: you can unmount, thats about it |
| 21:23.35 | kergoth | warmi: slacker |
| 21:23.37 | kergoth | warmi: :) |
| 21:23.50 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok, thanks |
| 21:24.11 | kergoth | lion: theres a large set of python packages in the OZ feeds |
| 21:24.17 | kergoth | lion: i dunno whats available for sharp |
| 21:24.21 | warmi | rev|desk: do you know C++ ? |
| 21:24.29 | lion | can u give me a link please |
| 21:24.30 | rev|desk | warmi: more or less |
| 21:24.35 | rev|desk | warmi: what do you mean not if you are just a user? |
| 21:24.37 | kergoth | lion: openzaurus.org -> Download -> feeds |
| 21:24.45 | lion | thanx |
| 21:24.50 | rev|desk | as in, if you are just a user you can't get to the API |
| 21:24.56 | warmi | rev|desk: I mean, you can't do this if you are not a programmer |
| 21:25.01 | rev|desk | oh, yeah |
| 21:25.17 | rev|desk | but i don't think any non-programmers are interested in... well, programming scripts to automate data moving ;P |
| 21:25.25 | kergoth | rev|desk: again, use a scripting language |
| 21:25.35 | kergoth | perl, python, php all have sqlite bindings for when we switch to it |
| 21:25.36 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:25.41 | rev|desk | yup |
| 21:25.41 | warmi | rev|desk: well, there are lot of people who know how to code small scripts but have no clue about C/C++ etc |
| 21:25.45 | rev|desk | solving the problem |
| 21:26.08 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:26.21 | rev|desk | i know c/c++, but only use it when i must, which is rare |
| 21:27.50 | warmi | yeah, I somewhat "know" shell scription/perl but I use it only when I must, which is almost never |
| 21:27.52 | warmi | heh |
| 21:28.15 | posix4 | what do you use |
| 21:28.17 | posix4 | awk? |
| 21:28.25 | warmi | no, I don't do scripting at all |
| 21:28.33 | kergoth | ugh, /me doesnt get along well with sed and awk |
| 21:28.34 | warmi | but I do write C++/qt apps for the zaurus |
| 21:28.35 | warmi | for fun |
| 21:28.37 | kergoth | always revert to perl |
| 21:28.51 | posix4 | what do you do on you zaurus? |
| 21:29.05 | *** join/#zaurus ljp_work (~ljp@tq0109.peakpeak.com) |
| 21:29.13 | kergoth | hey ljp_work |
| 21:29.28 | *** join/#zaurus root (~root@63.229.15.123) |
| 21:29.34 | posix4 | ocaml's regexp library isn't tha tbad |
| 21:29.34 | root | kergoth |
| 21:29.43 | kergoth | root has landed! |
| 21:29.49 | cbok_ | that's right buddy |
| 21:29.50 | kergoth | hi root |
| 21:29.51 | cbok_ | it owrks. |
| 21:29.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:29.57 | cbok_ | and i have typed more than 9 characters |
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| 21:30.04 | kergoth | nice |
| 21:30.11 | kergoth | the 9 char thing is c700 bug |
| 21:30.17 | cbok_ | ircing, cmd line style, from the zaurus.. (well an ssh session into it..) |
| 21:30.31 | cbok_ | f'ed up! |
| 21:30.31 | cbok_ | :) |
| 21:30.36 | ljp_work | hey kergoth. what up? |
| 21:31.09 | kergoth | ljp_work: cursing the monday. the usual. you? |
| 21:31.15 | ljp_work | cbok_: your still looged in as root |
| 21:31.23 | ljp_work | yup, cursing Monday, also |
| 21:31.42 | ljp_work | damn van doesnt pass emissions test |
| 21:31.53 | chouimat | ljp_work: downloading fine dutch pron from the net |
| 21:32.01 | kergoth | that sucks. they dont make us do the emissions tests in mn anymore |
| 21:32.14 | ljp_work | they used too? |
| 21:32.15 | rev|desk | PDA in this context = zaurus, PocketPC, older WinCEs |
| 21:32.25 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:32.33 | cbok | kg |
| 21:32.34 | cbok | nice.. |
| 21:32.35 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 21:32.35 | cbok | ver nice.. |
| 21:32.47 | cbok | er very nice even |
| 21:32.51 | kergoth | larry did a little bit on oz: http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/3352.html |
| 21:32.54 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 21:33.11 | posix4 | wow my cell phone crashed |
| 21:33.17 | rev|desk | haha |
| 21:33.18 | kergoth | your cell phone crashed? |
| 21:33.20 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:33.23 | NetAmp | chouimat: hey I'm dutch, we rule |
| 21:33.25 | posix4 | lg5350 |
| 21:33.31 | posix4 | i guess i broke the j2me sandbox |
| 21:33.36 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:33.37 | posix4 | I wonder if i can reproduce that and send it to people |
| 21:33.48 | NetAmp | ouch |
| 21:34.17 | George- | kergoth: uhh wait.. that's what OZ 3.2 looks like?!?! I'M DOWNLOADING! |
| 21:34.32 | NetAmp | rev|desk: squeak? hm I tried that... pretty weird environment... |
| 21:34.48 | kergoth | eheh, not exactly. that icon set is different than the one in oz 3.2 actually |
| 21:34.52 | kergoth | sort of anyway |
| 21:34.52 | ljp_work | uhh, looks like 1) a console prompt, and 2) opie |
| 21:34.53 | NetAmp | George: I just flashed it, it rocks! |
| 21:35.14 | kergoth | gah my c700 kernel doesnt boot again |
| 21:35.17 | kergoth | TODAY SUCKS@! |
| 21:35.22 | NetAmp | now to reinstall Opie Media Player, I can't go without |
| 21:35.26 | NetAmp | yes today sucks |
| 21:35.40 | NetAmp | ibot: today? |
| 21:35.41 | | hmm... today is the first day of the rest of ibot's life |
| 21:35.41 | ljp_work | I went skiing this last weekend for the first time in about 8 years |
| 21:35.42 | George- | kergoth: I think I'm gonna write a taskbar applet dedicated to you.. it'll be called "RTFM" and it'll yell "RTFM" at you every 2 minutes, without the ability to disable it ;) |
| 21:35.42 | rev|desk | NetAmp: yup, it doesn't use qt, gtk, win32, etc, but has its own gui toolkit |
| 21:35.52 | kergoth | George-: aha, thatd be cool |
| 21:36.01 | ljp_work | my brother was skiing all year, and I am still better than him |
| 21:36.02 | kergoth | George-: or just pop up opera or konq to the openzaurus.org faq page automatically |
| 21:36.07 | rev|desk | George-: will it wake the z up and beep (on alarm) eve whe nit is off? |
| 21:36.11 | chouimat | George-: get a life |
| 21:36.19 | George- | rev|desk: hell yeh |
| 21:36.25 | rev|desk | heh |
| 21:36.26 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 21:36.32 | kergoth | we do need an opie bug reporter app thoguh |
| 21:36.34 | kergoth | thatd be smooth |
| 21:36.43 | NetAmp | indeed.... |
| 21:36.47 | kergoth | it'd attach a ipkg status automatically and stuff |
| 21:36.48 | ljp_work | go right ahead and write it |
| 21:36.50 | chouimat | kergoth: like kbugbuster? |
| 21:36.54 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah |
| 21:36.59 | ljp_work | obugbuster |
| 21:37.00 | kergoth | ljp_work: oh with all my free time? |
| 21:37.05 | NetAmp | lol |
| 21:37.15 | ljp_work | yes! you need less sleep anyway |
| 21:37.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:37.27 | NetAmp | more coffee then? |
| 21:37.43 | ljp_work | espresso |
| 21:38.25 | djr | kergoth: your day couldnt suck any more than mine... drove an hour and a half this weekend to go somehwere... and my transmission fucks up... im looking at well over $1k |
| 21:38.28 | djr | hehehe |
| 21:38.33 | djr | i got stuck for the weekend |
| 21:38.34 | kergoth | djr: oh shit |
| 21:38.38 | ljp_work | ouch |
| 21:38.40 | kergoth | i had to replace my transmission last year |
| 21:38.42 | kergoth | pricey |
| 21:38.56 | djr | yeah, well my car is just bad luck, hehehe |
| 21:39.03 | ljp_work | just find a used one and plop it in |
| 21:39.04 | kergoth | mine too |
| 21:39.12 | kergoth | i've put more money into repairs than i've paid on my car loan |
| 21:39.14 | kergoth | :( |
| 21:39.20 | ljp_work | typical |
| 21:39.32 | warmi | well, get yourself a japanese car then |
| 21:39.32 | djr | its had everything happen to it... when we lived in ohio... a pine tree fell on it... when we got to california, a semi truck ran it over... then it got smashed in the back while it was parked (i went to the hospital for that one)... and then it got hit by a drunk driver |
| 21:39.39 | warmi | these things seem to last forever |
| 21:39.50 | djr | i just put $1000 into getting all six injectors changed... another $1000 to get the clutch changed... and now the transmission goes bad |
| 21:39.52 | ljp_work | hmmm time to get a new car, eh? |
| 21:39.53 | djr | hehehe |
| 21:39.54 | djr | i could use a new car |
| 21:40.14 | kergoth | I want to pick up an old fiero and toss a 350 chevrolet smallblock into it |
| 21:40.22 | ljp_work | zzzzzoooooooooooooooooooooom |
| 21:40.34 | kergoth | yeh |
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| 21:40.40 | djr | but i might be able to get the dealer to fix my car for free... cause when they changed the clutch... they never put grease back in the transmission... |
| 21:40.44 | djr | so... |
| 21:40.47 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:40.49 | ljp_work | you would probably have to take it back out to replace the spark plugs |
| 21:40.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:41.12 | kergoth | yeah i doubt you'd have much room in the engine compartment to work with |
| 21:41.40 | ljp_work | nope, as it is, you have to remove the lid to replace the plugs |
| 21:41.44 | djr | i have another car but i dont want to use it as a daily driver... hehehe... |
| 21:41.49 | levi | You can fit a 5L Mustang engine in a Miata. |
| 21:42.25 | djr | daily driver in southern california = 2 hours in traffic to go 30 miles |
| 21:42.27 | djr | =/ |
| 21:42.48 | djr | you 'could' take the long way... 60 miles... and make it in an hour instead |
| 21:43.03 | vomitflight | Hi guys |
| 21:43.46 | ljp_work | hi |
| 21:44.04 | NetAmp | hey |
| 21:44.09 | vomitflight | I've got a question concerning my zaurus: |
| 21:44.29 | NetAmp | why does the Documents tab show both small and large icons? |
| 21:44.42 | NetAmp | for the same filetype |
| 21:44.50 | vomitflight | I'ld like to connect it to my linux maschine (suse 8.1) do you have any experience with that ? |
| 21:45.16 | ljp_work | not with suse |
| 21:45.38 | vomitflight | ok... but you did connect it to any linux distro ? |
| 21:46.10 | ljp_work | umm, kinda. a 'custom' kernel, but gentoo and mandrake |
| 21:46.22 | cor | vomitflight http://docs.zaurus.com/lc_suse.shtml (for 8.0) |
| 21:46.37 | vomitflight | msg cor thanks |
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| 21:49.53 | George- | uhh |
| 21:49.59 | George- | It's very unstable with SuSE 8.1 |
| 21:50.07 | George- | I got kernel panics every time |
| 21:50.12 | George- | oh dear |
| 21:50.40 | NetAmp | yay opie player's back, now on oz3.2 :D |
| 21:50.57 | NetAmp | I mostly play mp3s now so i need it :P |
| 21:50.57 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:51.08 | zoid | hmm, we need to port frozen-bubble to the Z :) |
| 21:51.24 | George- | op2? |
| 21:51.33 | NetAmp | yah it's an older OP2 version though.. newer gave problems |
| 21:51.39 | zoid | someone had it runnging on some pda, can't remember what though...i think the yopy |
| 21:51.45 | George- | zoid: get froot |
| 21:51.52 | warmi | zoid: yeah .. the only problem is that it is written in perl |
| 21:52.23 | George- | warmi: I never quite understood why they wrote it in perl |
| 21:52.38 | zoid | i like frozen-bubble more then froot though, heh |
| 21:52.46 | zoid | what other good games are out there? |
| 21:53.08 | NetAmp | err.. |
| 21:53.16 | warmi | George-: yeah, I am sure whoever wrote this thing is right now hard at work doing FPS game in Cobol or something like that |
| 21:53.21 | warmi | some people like challenges like that |
| 21:53.22 | warmi | heh |
| 21:53.22 | NetAmp | zoid: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 21:53.42 | NetAmp | hah that's sick |
| 21:53.42 | zoid | NetAmp: i've looked through all those...aren't there any more out there? heh |
| 21:53.44 | George- | warmi: nah, that'd be too advanced... Visual Basic |
| 21:54.12 | NetAmp | zoid: hmz.. dunnow.. |
| 21:54.31 | NetAmp | zoid: SNES emu would be cool ;) |
| 21:54.55 | zoid | NetAmp: is there one? |
| 21:55.00 | zoid | i still want a gba emu |
| 21:55.06 | NetAmp | me2 |
| 21:55.17 | zoid | 879M/mnt/c/Games/emulation/gba |
| 21:55.19 | zoid | :) |
| 21:55.24 | warmi | zoid: so port one hehe |
| 21:55.27 | krezel | if they ported frozen bubble, I'd never do work again |
| 21:55.35 | NetAmp | I would have written one by now if i could |
| 21:55.45 | yeiazel | krezel: there will be a clone soon |
| 21:55.48 | zoid | warmi: i'm still trying to get a damn cross-compiling system up |
| 21:55.58 | George- | kergoth: ya know those "Office Weapons" like crossbows that fire foam ammo? |
| 21:56.05 | NetAmp | warmi: I want a plug at the back of my neck, so I can learn C and ASM as fast as they do in the Matrix ;) |
| 21:56.07 | warmi | zoid: what OS are you running ? |
| 21:56.07 | zoid | warmi: plus i don't know the first thing about porting stuff, heh |
| 21:56.14 | zoid | warmi: debian unstable |
| 21:56.30 | warmi | zoid: oh nevermind then .. |
| 21:56.34 | NetAmp | George: those are fun |
| 21:56.42 | zoid | warmi: why? |
| 21:56.42 | warmi | I don't venture beyond safe harbours of Red Hat |
| 21:56.47 | warmi | everything works there |
| 21:56.49 | NetAmp | hah |
| 21:56.50 | zoid | warmi: heh |
| 21:57.02 | zoid | maybe i'll play with it more tomorrow |
| 21:57.05 | kergoth | redhat's harbours are safe? |
| 21:57.09 | George- | NetAmp: imagine taking this into work: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/eric.rsoc/pict0276.jpg |
| 21:57.13 | warmi | kergoth: are for me |
| 21:57.14 | warmi | heh |
| 21:57.15 | NetAmp | I tried Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake, Debian, Knoppix, ... |
| 21:57.15 | kergoth | i've been attacked in those harbours :) |
| 21:57.23 | NetAmp | George: whoa! |
| 21:57.32 | zoid | kergoth: what do you run? |
| 21:57.42 | kergoth | debian unstable |
| 21:57.48 | kergoth | on my desktops anyway |
| 21:57.51 | kergoth | servers are on testing |
| 21:57.53 | NetAmp | George: I'd also mount a laser pointer on it |
| 21:57.54 | George- | NetAmp: precisely ;) I think we should buy kergoth one :) |
| 21:57.59 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 21:58.01 | NetAmp | :D |
| 21:58.03 | zoid | kergoth: what'd you use to setup cross-compiling |
| 21:58.12 | zoid | help me out man, heh...i've been going at it for a week now |
| 21:58.13 | kergoth | zoid: i grabbed a toolchain tarball |
| 21:58.17 | George- | NetAmp: nah, the current site is accurate enough |
| 21:58.18 | kergoth | zoid: i have used debian's cross toolchain tools |
| 21:58.24 | kergoth | zoid: but i never use them anymore |
| 21:58.25 | zoid | reading about 10 different howto's |
| 21:58.26 | George- | a 6 CM target at 20 yards... |
| 21:58.29 | warmi | zoid; can't you just use RH RPM and alien ? |
| 21:58.29 | NetAmp | George: we'll customize it with a ToDo-list-holder at the side |
| 21:58.32 | zoid | kergoth: what's best? |
| 21:58.37 | zoid | warmi: yeah |
| 21:58.41 | George- | NetAmp: nah, sod that, just give him the weapon ;) |
| 21:58.45 | NetAmp | hah |
| 21:58.45 | zoid | kergoth: and where can i get it, heh |
| 21:58.48 | kergoth | ibot: oz toolchain |
| 21:58.48 | | [oz toolchain] http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 21:58.49 | kergoth | zoid: ^^ |
| 21:58.53 | zoid | kewl |
| 21:59.03 | George- | NetAmp: "DIE LUSER!!!" |
| 21:59.09 | George- | like, the BOFH but more violent |
| 21:59.41 | George- | I look cooler with one of these bows than you with an AK47 ;) |
| 22:00.23 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 22:01.17 | warmi | NetAmp: you are Dutch right ? |
| 22:01.19 | zoid | kergoth: what tarball should i use? cross-2.95.3-oz-1.1.tar.gz, cross-2.95.3-oz-1.tar.gz, or one of the 3.2 one's? |
| 22:01.31 | kergoth | gcc3 isnt binary compatible with gcc2 w/ regard to c++ apps |
| 22:01.37 | kergoth | to remain compatible, you want 2.95.3 |
| 22:01.41 | kergoth | grab oz-1.1 |
| 22:01.47 | George- | warmi: you are sane, right? |
| 22:01.48 | zoid | kewl, thanks |
| 22:01.54 | zoid | i'll play with that tonight |
| 22:02.48 | warmi | George-: yeah, I think so .. why ? |
| 22:03.39 | George- | warmi: cause i'm not |
| 22:04.15 | warmi | hmm |
| 22:05.26 | George- | NetAmp: do you like my weapon then? ;) |
| 22:08.02 | NetAmp | George: yah.. |
| 22:08.31 | NetAmp | George: though that arrow hitting me was a bit of an unpleasant sensation :P |
| 22:08.32 | George- | much more effective than simply yelling :) |
| 22:08.57 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 22:09.00 | NetAmp | I wanna run Bochs |
| 22:09.03 | George- | NetAmp: it's not that powerful; it's only a 28lb draw weight |
| 22:09.19 | NetAmp | George: it's still cool ;) |
| 22:09.33 | NetAmp | I'd like to see people's faces when I boot Win'98 on my PDA :P |
| 22:09.39 | kergoth | evil. |
| 22:09.41 | kergoth | pure evil. |
| 22:09.46 | George- | NetAmp: that's EVIL!!!! |
| 22:09.47 | NetAmp | sure, it's pretty sick, twisted AND pure evil! |
| 22:09.50 | rev|desk | ganz evil |
| 22:09.53 | rev|desk | at least be booting dos man |
| 22:09.54 | NetAmp | but evil fun :P |
| 22:09.56 | rev|desk | far less evil |
| 22:10.08 | George- | DIE INFADEL! |
| 22:10.17 | rev|desk | or what would be completely UNevil is to run NeXTSTEP or even Rhapsody/DR2 for x86 |
| 22:10.19 | NetAmp | yah well DOS then... I'll add QuickMenu or something |
| 22:10.27 | warmi | infidel ? |
| 22:10.34 | NetAmp | hah |
| 22:10.37 | kergoth | ibot: spell infadel |
| 22:10.37 | | possible spellings for infadel: infidel infidels unfaded invade invader invaded invades infield inflate zinfandel Intel infidel's inflater |
| 22:10.39 | George- | warmi: no idea, just made it up :) |
| 22:10.52 | kergoth | ibot: botsnack |
| 22:10.52 | | kergoth: thanks |
| 22:11.07 | George- | botsnack? FOR SUGGESTING INTEL?!?!?! |
| 22:11.19 | NetAmp | http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=infidel |
| 22:11.20 | George- | ibot dict infidel |
| 22:11.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:11.34 | NetAmp | 1 : one who is not a Christian or who opposes Christianity |
| 22:11.38 | George- | kergoth is NOT A GOD |
| 22:11.39 | NetAmp | 2 a : an unbeliever with respect to a particular religion b : one who acknowledges no religious belief |
| 22:11.40 | George- | ;) |
| 22:11.47 | NetAmp | 3 : a disbeliever in something specified or understood |
| 22:11.50 | NetAmp | there |
| 22:11.58 | kergoth | hey cool |
| 22:12.00 | kergoth | i'm an infidel |
| 22:12.03 | George- | well, seems I meant the right word in that case |
| 22:12.05 | NetAmp | kergod |
| 22:12.06 | George- | kergoth: why? |
| 22:12.19 | kergoth | 2->b |
| 22:12.25 | George- | hrmm, I still have 2 arrows left |
| 22:12.28 | kergoth | kindasorta |
| 22:12.33 | kergoth | i need to get out of work |
| 22:12.44 | kergoth | openssh 3.6 released? spiffy |
| 22:12.50 | George- | kergoth: you're athiest? |
| 22:13.13 | kergoth | it varies. not exactly athiest, not exactly agnostic |
| 22:13.23 | George- | kergoth: you think tux is a god then? |
| 22:13.29 | kergoth | bah |
| 22:14.04 | *** join/#zaurus icefox (~ben@ool-4351483a.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:14.08 | icefox | I am freeeeee |
| 22:14.24 | icefox | already got one |
| 22:14.26 | icefox | :-) |
| 22:14.31 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:15.13 | icefox | today was pure joy |
| 22:15.32 | icefox | fun from start to end |
| 22:15.46 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:15.46 | George- | icefox: why? |
| 22:16.43 | icefox | it was my last day at sharp |
| 22:17.23 | icefox | I had the biggest grin on my face when I got to tell the security guard I wont be back tomarrow and handed him my card |
| 22:17.27 | George- | icefox: so you're celebrating losing a job? |
| 22:17.36 | icefox | um... |
| 22:17.37 | icefox | yah! |
| 22:17.44 | George- | I'm utterly confused |
| 22:17.47 | kergoth | he'll be upset about the lack of money in a week or two |
| 22:17.50 | George- | Why? |
| 22:17.51 | kergoth | for now he's in freedom mode |
| 22:18.00 | icefox | kergoth: I have been saving up for the last 8 months |
| 22:18.06 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 22:18.08 | mark | icefox: so both you and Jason gone, spencer still about? |
| 22:18.11 | icefox | yup |
| 22:18.26 | George- | icefox: was sharp really that bad? ;) |
| 22:18.32 | icefox | I though the whole project was going under last year. Lunkly I was wrong |
| 22:18.42 | icefox | nonless I saved up |
| 22:18.50 | mark | icefox: only out by a year :) |
| 22:19.07 | kergoth | i wish i could save |
| 22:19.19 | kergoth | i can barely pay the bills and pay my credit cards, much less save |
| 22:19.19 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:19.30 | NetAmp | :S |
| 22:19.31 | icefox | hehe well I have no car payment nor non cc payment |
| 22:19.34 | icefox | so it wasn't too hard |
| 22:19.45 | kergoth | let see, save at 4% interest, or pay off a 19% credit card. not a hard choice |
| 22:19.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:19.49 | George- | icefox: what was it like at Sharp? |
| 22:19.50 | kergoth | icefox: bastard |
| 22:19.50 | icefox | and after getting married my car insurance went from 2K to 600 |
| 22:19.55 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:20.07 | icefox | course I have to pay full rent so... |
| 22:20.29 | icefox | George-: lets put it this way. Ever seen Sharp fix a bug you report? |
| 22:20.39 | George- | icefox: haven't reported any :) |
| 22:20.44 | icefox | ah |
| 22:20.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:20.49 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 22:20.57 | icefox | 4 words, OZ rocks |
| 22:20.59 | kergoth | talk to cloudchaser about bug reports and fixes or lack thereof |
| 22:21.01 | George- | icefox: so they're a bunch of slackers, as kergoth would so eloquently put it |
| 22:21.15 | icefox | na, they work their butts off |
| 22:21.22 | icefox | well most of them |
| 22:21.29 | George- | all except you? ;) |
| 22:21.36 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:21.47 | icefox | I worked my butt off too |
| 22:21.53 | icefox | my contract ended that is all |
| 22:21.58 | kergoth | i havent worked hard in so long |
| 22:22.08 | NetAmp | now he sits there, just watching a game, having a Bud |
| 22:22.10 | kergoth | been doin what i need to do to stay employed |
| 22:22.17 | NetAmp | wazzaaa |
| 22:22.21 | George- | kergoth: the amount you bitch and complain you'd think you were guarding Fort Knox or something ;) |
| 22:22.29 | icefox | I wrote the howtos and if anyone can attenst to my english skills that took a few months |
| 22:22.33 | kergoth | George-: worse, i talk to customers |
| 22:22.39 | George- | kergoth: ouch |
| 22:22.51 | George- | kergoth: then you take all your stress out in here |
| 22:22.51 | kergoth | i talk tot he customers so the engineers dont have to! |
| 22:22.55 | kergoth | I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS! |
| 22:22.59 | kergoth | </office space> |
| 22:23.01 | George- | lol |
| 22:23.09 | George- | you? PEOPLE SKILLS? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA |
| 22:23.28 | kergoth | ~bitchslap George- |
| 22:23.30 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of George- |
| 22:23.34 | George- | kergoth: you're the biggest asshole I've ever met :P |
| 22:23.38 | NetAmp | ~lart George |
| 22:23.43 | kergoth | George-: why thank you |
| 22:23.46 | NetAmp | cool! he's decapitated |
| 22:23.57 | George- | NetAmp: he's got a dual head setup |
| 22:24.00 | George- | </lame joke> |
| 22:24.03 | chouimat | George-: how do you think that kergoth get laid once in a while? |
| 22:24.04 | NetAmp | errr |
| 22:24.15 | George- | chouimat: kergoth got laid? |
| 22:24.28 | George- | anyone remember that article: "HOLY SHIT! Linux developer gets LAID!!!" |
| 22:24.32 | George- | something like that |
| 22:24.34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:25.04 | George- | I wouldn't be suprised if it was the Onion |
| 22:25.10 | George- | "Holy Crap! Man lands on moon!" |
| 22:25.37 | George- | the other day I saw one saying "Iraq deploys troop" with this lone troop with a gun in the middle of the desert |
| 22:25.48 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:26.14 | NetAmp | http://www.liquidgeneration.com/poptoons/saddamfromiraq.swf |
| 22:26.17 | George- | kergoth: face it. You're an asshole |
| 22:26.21 | kergoth | and? |
| 22:26.35 | George- | kergoth: but you're not GOOD ENOUGH |
| 22:26.42 | George- | kergoth: you're not good enough at being an asshole |
| 22:26.46 | George- | kergoth: strive for perfection |
| 22:27.21 | George- | h4x0r Bush's communications and tell him to RTFM |
| 22:27.30 | kergoth | i'm a slacker _and_ an asshole you see |
| 22:27.43 | George- | no way are you a slacker |
| 22:27.45 | smbj | hm |
| 22:27.48 | smbj | its george |
| 22:27.51 | rev|desk | sounds classy |
| 22:27.57 | George- | smbj: welcome to the real world |
| 22:28.07 | smbj | George-: huh? just saying hello |
| 22:28.12 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (courtesy of chouimat) |
| 22:28.19 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@m83-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) |
| 22:28.21 | George- | hrmm |
| 22:28.23 | George- | ASSHOLE |
| 22:28.24 | NetAmp | muhahaha |
| 22:28.30 | _Psycho | just ban the guys |
| 22:28.46 | kergoth | hey my c700 kenrel boots again |
| 22:28.47 | kergoth | woot |
| 22:28.55 | _Psycho | woot ! |
| 22:28.56 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 22:28.56 | NetAmp | congrats |
| 22:28.57 | chouimat | _Psycho: George is fun when he''s in school :) |
| 22:28.58 | NetAmp | *yawn* it's late over here |
| 22:29.01 | George- | kergoth: wot? |
| 22:29.02 | kergoth | now to figure out why it wont start the opie launcher |
| 22:29.03 | NetAmp | have fun y'all |
| 22:29.10 | *** part/#zaurus NetAmp (~netamp@cp234746-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) |
| 22:29.39 | *** join/#zaurus lion (~lion@user-0cev2h7.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 22:29.40 | nadav | gleh |
| 22:29.44 | nadav | my 5000D is slow |
| 22:29.48 | George- | everyone hates me!!!! |
| 22:29.57 | George- | this is soooooooooo satisfying |
| 22:30.07 | _Psycho | of course, you spam my screen and fill my logs file with stupidity |
| 22:30.09 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 22:30.14 | lion | is it worth it to install openzaurus , right now i am using the factory installed |
| 22:30.21 | nadav | lion: yes |
| 22:30.22 | George- | _Psycho: go away |
| 22:30.33 | chouimat | _Psycho: George- is only 14 so .... |
| 22:30.36 | George- | _Psycho: then I won't spam your screen |
| 22:30.37 | lion | nadav: thanx |
| 22:30.41 | George- | chouimat: I was 15 last week :) |
| 22:30.41 | kergoth | ahahaha |
| 22:30.42 | kergoth | fuck |
| 22:30.45 | kergoth | _Psycho: dood |
| 22:30.46 | nadav | lion: OZ is really worth it |
| 22:30.53 | kergoth | _Psycho: my c700 just panic'd |
| 22:30.53 | _Psycho | yep ? |
| 22:30.59 | kergoth | _Psycho: kernel null pointer deref |
| 22:30.59 | *** join/#zaurus polin8 (~polin8@pool-141-157-23-220.balt.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:30.59 | kergoth | :( |
| 22:31.03 | _Psycho | damn |
| 22:31.10 | George- | 1:0 to Linux Kernel |
| 22:31.11 | _Psycho | ever figured out the irssi bug thing ? |
| 22:31.16 | nadav | George-: what happened to you? |
| 22:31.24 | George- | nadav: hrmm? |
| 22:32.04 | _Psycho | im still fitghting the make config on the buildroot for my c700 anywya :) |
| 22:32.18 | _Psycho | tok be forever to get direct rendering working on my radeon eysterday in X |
| 22:32.35 | George- | _Psycho: slacker |
| 22:32.47 | kergoth | hrm hrm |
| 22:32.58 | kergoth | _Psycho: looks like it crashed trying to fire up usbd |
| 22:33.04 | kergoth | :\ |
| 22:33.12 | _Psycho | who need usbd anyway =p |
| 22:33.16 | kergoth | have i bitchslapped lineo yet today? |
| 22:33.17 | _Psycho | i see i see |
| 22:33.18 | kergoth | i don tthink so |
| 22:33.20 | kergoth | ~bitchslap lineo |
| 22:33.21 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of lineo |
| 22:33.26 | George- | LANGUAGE |
| 22:33.34 | kergoth | George-: BITCHSLAP |
| 22:33.43 | chouimat | ~bitchslap gabe |
| 22:33.47 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of gabe |
| 22:33.47 | chouimat | ~bitchslap George- |
| 22:33.50 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of George- |
| 22:34.23 | George- | ibot stats |
| 22:34.24 | | Since Wed Mar 26 02:15:27 2003, there have been 39 modifications, 255 questions, 101 dunnos, 3 morons and 211 commands. I have been awake for 5d 20h 18m 56s this session, and currently reference 84803 factoids. I'm using about 14892 kB of memory. |
| 22:34.31 | lion | nadav: is the oz install gona remove all teh factory install programs |
| 22:34.38 | lion | or side by side |
| 22:34.45 | kergoth | it overwrites the existing flash |
| 22:34.52 | lion | thank u sir |
| 22:34.58 | posix4 | hmm for some reason when i upgraded to stable I lost the abilty to play oggs. It says now demuxer |
| 22:35.04 | kergoth | use hancomcreator, operacreator, jeodcreator to make ipks |
| 22:35.10 | posix4 | but libvorbis and libogg are definitly installed |
| 22:35.12 | kergoth | posix4: upgraded to stable? what base rom? |
| 22:35.26 | George- | ARGH! I've dropped to 10th place in the #zaurus stats |
| 22:35.30 | posix4 | I reflashed after those probles |
| 22:35.33 | nadav | shit |
| 22:35.34 | posix4 | 3.2 |
| 22:35.35 | kergoth | George-: am i still first? |
| 22:35.42 | kergoth | posix4: strange |
| 22:35.50 | posix4 | it must be a symlink thingy |
| 22:35.59 | posix4 | like library names |
| 22:36.00 | kergoth | where are those packages installed? |
| 22:36.03 | kergoth | do you have libxine installed? |
| 22:36.13 | *** join/#zaurus k_hiLL (~najib@user-0vvdc6q.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 22:36.24 | George- | 1031931396 [66044] <kergoth/#zaurus> beats shayde to death with a burning chair |
| 22:36.26 | George- | kergoth: yeh |
| 22:36.38 | kergoth | why did i beat him to death with a burning chari? |
| 22:36.41 | kergoth | i dont remember that |
| 22:36.41 | George- | 1017205721 [49556] <kergoth/#zaurus> smacks forehead |
| 22:36.50 | kergoth | George-: whats the url to that page again? |
| 22:36.51 | posix4 | how do i display packages installed from ipkg? |
| 22:36.57 | kergoth | posix4: ipkg status |
| 22:37.06 | George- | kergoth, kergoth`work, kergoth`lunch, kergoth`home, kergoth`left, kergoth`zzz, kergoth`away, kergoth`gone, kergoth`, kergoth`meeting, kergoth`gaming, kergoth`food, kergoth`_, kergoth`coding, kergoth`sleep, kergoth`mtg, kergoth`knives, kergoth`reboot, kergoth`rbt, kergoth`store, kergoth`latelnch, kergoth`lnch, kergoth`out, kergoth`zzzz, kergoth`bbl, kergoth`errands, kergoth`dead, kergoth`argh, kergoth`1rgh |
| 22:37.11 | George- | kergoth: nice set of nicknames |
| 22:37.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:37.15 | kergoth | thanks |
| 22:37.24 | kergoth | kergoth`knives |
| 22:37.25 | kergoth | thats funny |
| 22:37.29 | George- | ljp's at the top |
| 22:37.30 | George- | ljp, ljp_work, ljp_laptop, ljp_workDamnWindowsBox, ljp_DamnWindowsBoxAKK, ljp_, ljp_ImaGonnaKillMyIsp, ljp_frickin_modem, ljp_akk, ljp--, ljp_other, ljp_-, ljp_quark, ljp_studio, ljp_hatesQWestPh, ljp_hates_QWest, ljp_mobile, ljp-, ljp_BBQ_Shopping, ljp_hatesQWest, ljp_gasmask, ljp_knoppix, ljp_nephewSittin, ljp_admining, ljp__, ljp_opieirc, ljp_opieirc2, ljp_s, ljp_on_crack |
| 22:37.34 | posix4 | libxine1_1.0.0-3_arm.ipk libogg0_1.0.0-2a_arm.ipk ibvorbisidec1_20030325-1_arm.ipk |
| 22:37.36 | George- | ljp_workDamnWindowsBox ;) |
| 22:37.40 | kergoth | ljp_ImaGonnaKillMyIsp |
| 22:37.41 | kergoth | thats great |
| 22:37.42 | posix4 | opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.3-20030328-1_arm.ipk |
| 22:37.45 | George- | ljp_ImaGonnaKillMyIsp |
| 22:37.48 | George- | hehe |
| 22:37.51 | kergoth | hehehh |
| 22:38.07 | kergoth | posix4: run op2 from console |
| 22:38.11 | kergoth | posix4: see what message you get |
| 22:38.14 | posix4 | k |
| 22:38.15 | George- | naMrepuS, BZflag, BZFlagAway, foobar, grunge, BZwaitfortruck, BZGettingPhones, thor, BZFlagDinner, BzDz, BZFlagIsReallyTimRiker, BZFlagIsReallyTimRikerAtUSPS, BZFlagOLS, BZFlagModem, BZFlagIndia, bzdougy, bzdouglas, bzdoug |
| 22:38.20 | George- | BZwaitfortruck :) |
| 22:38.28 | George- | BZFlagIsReallyTimRiker |
| 22:38.32 | George- | BZFlagIsReallyTimRikerAtUSPS |
| 22:38.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:38.40 | chouimat | George-: huh? |
| 22:38.45 | kergoth | George-: url? |
| 22:39.12 | nadav | ouch |
| 22:39.17 | George- | 1030924708 [94377] <kergoth/#zaurus> hides in a dma buffer |
| 22:39.17 | nadav | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.25 | George- | http://sigkill9.tripod.com/zaurus.html |
| 22:39.27 | kergoth | nadav: dont do that |
| 22:39.36 | kergoth | George-: i hid in a dma buffer? theres not much room there |
| 22:39.39 | nadav | kergoth: i just flashed it |
| 22:39.39 | nadav | heh |
| 22:39.50 | kergoth | nadav: it has around 3 mb free out of hte box.. |
| 22:39.52 | George- | kergoth: you must have been on a diet ;) |
| 22:40.10 | George- | ryanshort has quite a potty mouth. 100% lines contained foul language. |
| 22:40.11 | George- | LOL |
| 22:40.12 | George- | 100% |
| 22:40.13 | George- | haha |
| 22:40.18 | yeiazel | what time is it ? |
| 22:40.25 | nadav | well wtf then |
| 22:40.52 | posix4 | i get fxr3-mpeg failed to instantiate itself and later when i load it |
| 22:41.02 | posix4 | open_plugin() calle ERRORCODE: |
| 22:41.02 | posix4 | 2 |
| 22:41.26 | kergoth | posix4: this is opie-mediaplayer2, right? not opie-mediaplayer? |
| 22:41.42 | posix4 | ya |
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| 22:42.03 | posix4 | i installed it on my sd |
| 22:42.07 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:42.11 | kergoth | sd is ext2 or cf? |
| 22:42.12 | George- | "of course, its linux, its terminal, itll work fine " |
| 22:42.18 | George- | kergoth type quote there |
| 22:42.34 | posix4 | probably cf |
| 22:42.38 | posix4 | i never formatted it |
| 22:42.41 | kergoth | hey i'm the most referenced nickname below 'you' |
| 22:42.43 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:42.46 | posix4 | should I |
| 22:43.02 | kergoth | posix4: the libs, libxine, libogg, etc are those in flash, ram, cf, or sd? |
| 22:43.10 | posix4 | all sd |
| 22:43.25 | posix4 | I could format it |
| 22:43.26 | kergoth | ah, if you install libs to a vfat filesystem, you'll have aproblems |
| 22:43.30 | posix4 | ok |
| 22:43.32 | zoid | kergoth: ok, i've got that tarball extracted to /opt/arm anything else that needs to be done to it? |
| 22:43.35 | kergoth | cause it wont be able to creat the necessary links |
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| 22:43.38 | George- | yeiaway: better yet, everyone act like newbies |
| 22:43.39 | _Psycho | kergoth you tried to get the kernel working with gcc 3.2 ? |
| 22:43.41 | kergoth | zoid: it doenst go in /opt/arm |
| 22:43.42 | _Psycho | try* |
| 22:43.50 | posix4 | i will format then |
| 22:43.59 | kergoth | _Psycho: there appears to be a binutils bug that wont let it compile with gcc3 |
| 22:44.02 | zoid | kergoth: i thought i could put it anywhere...it _has_ to go to /usr/local/arm? |
| 22:44.07 | kergoth | _Psycho: i'm building the rest of hte system with gcc3 though |
| 22:44.11 | zoid | ibot: oz toolchain |
| 22:44.11 | | well, oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 22:44.11 | kergoth | zoid: toolchains have hardcoded paths |
| 22:44.14 | yeiaway | George-: :)) |
| 22:44.17 | kergoth | zoid: you must put it there |
| 22:44.24 | _Psycho | ah ok, because the kernel was working before isnt ? hehe except if you hacked some stuff in it =p |
| 22:44.24 | zoid | kergoth: k |
| 22:44.31 | posix4 | time to re flash yea |
| 22:44.33 | kergoth | _Psycho: it boots now |
| 22:44.37 | kergoth | _Psycho: dunno why it didnt earlier |
| 22:44.41 | kergoth | _Psycho: probably cause its monday |
| 22:44.44 | kergoth | things just break on monday |
| 22:45.06 | _Psycho | oh yeah |
| 22:45.08 | _Psycho | forgot |
| 22:45.16 | kergoth | ibot: mondays |
| 22:45.20 | | Sounds like _somebody_'s got a case of the Muhhndays! |
| 22:45.46 | posix4 | hmm probably should have synced my book first |
| 22:45.46 | posix4 | hehe |
| 22:45.49 | posix4 | oh well |
| 22:46.37 | kergoth | ibot: tuesday |
| 22:46.37 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday) |
| 22:46.44 | kergoth | ibot: wednesday |
| 22:46.44 | | bugger all, i dunno, kergoth |
| 22:46.47 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:47.08 | kergoth | ibot: wednesday is <reply> Wednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week. |
| 22:47.08 | | okay, kergoth |
| 22:47.21 | posix4 | wow that will teach me not to read the howto |
| 22:47.23 | kergoth | ibot: thursday is <reply> Thursday sucks, because it isnt friday (See friday). |
| 22:47.24 | | okay, kergoth |
| 22:48.09 | _Psycho | TGIF :) |
| 22:48.37 | kergoth | ibot: friday |
| 22:48.39 | | [friday] the best day of the week |
| 22:48.55 | kergoth | ibot: friday is <reply> Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 22:48.56 | | ...but friday is already something else... |
| 22:48.59 | kergoth | ibot: no, friday is <reply> Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 22:49.00 | | kergoth: okay |
| 22:49.01 | _Psycho | Thanks god its friday ! =p is better ;) |
| 22:49.04 | kergoth | ibot: saturday |
| 22:49.05 | | i guess saturday is the only day of the week that doesn't suck. |
| 22:49.09 | kergoth | ibot: sunday |
| 22:49.09 | | sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday. |
| 22:49.12 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 22:49.17 | kergoth | okay there. |
| 22:49.57 | kergoth | ibot: no, sunday is <reply> Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday), and you're stuck doing all the things you should've done saturday (See saturday). |
| 22:49.58 | | kergoth: please, watch your language. |
| 22:50.04 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:50.08 | kergoth | ibot: forget sunday |
| 22:50.09 | | kergoth: i forgot sunday |
| 22:50.16 | kergoth | ibot: sunday is <reply> Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday), and you're stuck doing all the things you should've done saturday (See saturday). |
| 22:50.16 | | kergoth: please, watch your language. |
| 22:50.22 | kergoth | odd. |
| 22:50.32 | kergoth | ibot: sunday is <reply> Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday). |
| 22:50.33 | | okay, kergoth |
| 22:50.37 | George- | ibot: get fucked |
| 22:50.38 | | George-: no idea |
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| 22:50.52 | kergoth | ibot: get fucked is <reply> no thanks |
| 22:50.53 | | okay, kergoth |
| 22:51.03 | posix4 | ibot: why should he watch his language, shouldn't all the usefullness of what he says justify his attitude. |
| 22:51.04 | | You are moron #4, posix4 |
| 22:51.09 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:51.20 | George- | #4.. posix4.. suits you :) |
| 22:51.23 | _Psycho | haha |
| 22:51.44 | TCMAN | you get moron badge for talking to ibot ? |
| 22:51.49 | chouimat | ibot get fucked |
| 22:51.50 | | George- get bent please |
| 22:51.55 | George- | lmao |
| 22:51.56 | kergoth | no, for giving it a line thats too long |
| 22:52.01 | _Psycho | ibot: moron #3 ? |
| 22:52.01 | | _Psycho: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 22:52.07 | kergoth | ibot: lkshfkl klgjkls glks jaklgj sklgj klsdgj kldsj agklsjdg laskj gklsd jglkasjd glksdjg klsgj lksd gjklsajglksa gkl asgkj saldgj slkdg klsa glksa gk sdalkg sakgj kwlaetaklsda |
| 22:52.07 | | kergoth: You are moron #5 |
| 22:52.10 | George- | kergoth: no, for giving him a line he can't comprehend |
| 22:52.10 | kergoth | see |
| 22:52.18 | _Psycho | ibot: moron #4 ? |
| 22:52.18 | | _Psycho: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 22:52.20 | kergoth | ibot: ksjf lsk fk |
| 22:52.20 | | kergoth: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 22:52.22 | chouimat | George-: that answer is good :) |
| 22:52.23 | kergoth | see |
| 22:52.25 | kergoth | its line length. |
| 22:52.29 | George- | ibot: kdafjgggggfgaidfggfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff |
| 22:52.30 | | George-: You are moron #6 |
| 22:52.30 | George- | fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff |
| 22:52.34 | George- | ahh |
| 22:52.35 | George- | yes |
| 22:52.45 | TCMAN | now everyone wants to be a moron :) |
| 22:52.46 | George- | cool, ibot quoted my mental age ;) |
| 22:52.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:52.57 | chouimat | ibot get fucked |
| 22:52.57 | | George- get bent please |
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| 22:53.10 | kergoth | haha |
| 22:53.11 | George- | ibot: botsnack |
| 22:53.11 | | aw, gee, George- |
| 22:53.27 | George- | ibot: who's the clever botty-wotty today? |
| 22:53.28 | | bugger all, i dunno, George- |
| 22:53.57 | posix4 | bot? |
| 22:54.07 | kergoth | hmm, my attempt to make buildroot smart enough to use gcc 2.95.3 for kernels and 3.2 for everything else automatically appears to have failed |
| 22:54.10 | kergoth | hmmk |
| 22:54.21 | posix4 | bot==? |
| 22:54.29 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:54.34 | George- | kergoth: I suppose creations can't be cleverer than the creator ;) |
| 22:54.42 | George- | kergoth: and since you're such a dumb fuck :) |
| 22:54.45 | kergoth | bah |
| 22:54.50 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (you didnt duck far enough) |
| 22:54.57 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@m83-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) |
| 22:54.59 | George- | lol |
| 22:57.57 | jwiz | is there some secret to getting backgrounds to work on the launcher tabs? |
| 22:58.03 | jwiz | i have some jpgs that do work, and some that don't |
| 22:58.20 | kergoth | check the mailing list archives |
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| 23:01.13 | posix4 | so before when i would first boot(afterinstalling vnc) up i would calibrate vnc by clicking on the screen in the right places. How should it be calibrated now? |
| 23:01.18 | posix4 | now that it is part of base that is |
| 23:01.31 | kergoth | what? |
| 23:01.40 | kergoth | the vnc server isnt installed in the images |
| 23:01.44 | kergoth | its the same procedure |
| 23:01.47 | kergoth | install vnc, reboot, calibrate |
| 23:02.10 | posix4 | but it is installed by default |
| 23:02.15 | kergoth | no, it isnt. |
| 23:02.26 | kergoth | maybe you had it installed onyour sd or cf card. |
| 23:02.31 | posix4 | ah |
| 23:02.32 | TCMAN | so whats the deal with vnc keyboard not working? |
| 23:02.43 | kergoth | dont know, havent had a chance to look into it |
| 23:02.49 | kergoth | i'm working on c700 support today |
| 23:03.08 | hardwire | is it clammy in your room? |
| 23:03.33 | posix4 | yea that was the problem |
| 23:03.35 | kergoth | what? |
| 23:03.56 | posix4 | it was on the sd |
| 23:04.03 | hardwire | eh? |
| 23:04.56 | _Psycho | hoping to get a testing c700 rom today ! =p hehe |
| 23:04.58 | _Psycho | brb gonna get food |
| 23:05.43 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:05.53 | kergoth | well, if i can get around this panic.. and get opie's launcher to start.. |
| 23:10.32 | posix4 | Would you guys recommend moving /root to SD? |
| 23:11.02 | kergoth | no, but i'd recommend moving Settings, Documents, and Applications to sd |
| 23:11.05 | kergoth | and symlinking them back |
| 23:11.07 | jwiz | are there any mailing list archives that are actually searchable? |
| 23:11.09 | kergoth | if you want your settings to be retained |
| 23:11.19 | kergoth | myself, I just use opie-backup for app settings and the like |
| 23:11.56 | TCMAN | i moved /root /home and /opt to SD |
| 23:12.17 | TCMAN | its not the smartest idea though, because i get some sd corruption sometimes |
| 23:12.33 | kergoth | yeah, you dont want the system to react badly if the card isnt inserted |
| 23:12.39 | kergoth | so keeping a minimal base in flash is good |
| 23:12.52 | kergoth | i.e. /root dir, and hte contents of /usr |
| 23:13.01 | TCMAN | i never take out sd |
| 23:13.20 | kergoth | still, like you say, if the card corrupts or something.. i dont like having a system that is useless without it |
| 23:13.33 | kergoth | course i dont even move /opt, though i probably should to cut down flash writes |
| 23:13.39 | kergoth | i just ipkg -d sd install blah everything |
| 23:13.54 | kergoth | then ipkg-link mount /mnt/card after flashing |
| 23:13.58 | posix4 | I think i am just going to do opt |
| 23:14.05 | posix4 | and then just put eveything on the sd |
| 23:15.16 | TCMAN | is it possible to disable the eject sd option ? |
| 23:15.28 | posix4 | the flash is slow |
| 23:15.41 | posix4 | i guess that is what you deal with when u use nand |
| 23:16.26 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@m123-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) |
| 23:16.26 | kergoth | 5000d/5500 doesnt use nand |
| 23:16.28 | posix4 | TCMAN: do you need the applet? |
| 23:16.28 | George- | moo |
| 23:16.28 | kergoth | it uses nor |
| 23:16.38 | posix4 | kergoth: what does it use? |
| 23:16.50 | George- | kergoth: flash memory types? |
| 23:16.54 | *** join/#zaurus rev|lib (~rev|lib@l1301bd099.d.umn.edu) |
| 23:16.55 | kergoth | George-: yes |
| 23:16.55 | rev|lib | yoo |
| 23:16.58 | kergoth | posix4: nor |
| 23:17.03 | posix4 | ah |
| 23:17.07 | George- | kergoth: which is the one that lasts longer? nor or nand (I can never remember) |
| 23:17.08 | posix4 | interesting |
| 23:17.15 | kergoth | George-: iirc nor, nand is cheaper |
| 23:17.19 | TCMAN | posix4: i want to disable "eject sd" in applet |
| 23:17.30 | TCMAN | posix4: so i never try to eject it by mistake |
| 23:17.38 | kergoth | TCMAN: grab the source and comment it out :P |
| 23:17.57 | George- | cya |
| 23:18.00 | George- | I'm off to bed |
| 23:18.03 | kergoth | night |
| 23:18.03 | George- | have fun kergoth |
| 23:18.09 | posix4 | thanks |
| 23:18.10 | TCMAN | George-: night |
| 23:18.17 | TCMAN | kergoth: funny :) |
| 23:18.22 | kergoth | _Psycho: half the kernels i build fail to boot |
| 23:18.26 | kergoth | _Psycho: its driving me insane |
| 23:18.35 | treke | kergoth: so only build half as many |
| 23:18.44 | kergoth | hey yeah! |
| 23:18.50 | TCMAN | should toolchain be in /usr/local/arm/2.95.3 ? |
| 23:18.53 | kergoth | ~cluebat treke |
| 23:18.54 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps treke. |
| 23:18.55 | kergoth | TCMAN: yes |
| 23:19.07 | TCMAN | kergoth: great |
| 23:19.20 | _Psycho | thats weird indeed |
| 23:21.13 | TCMAN | and add /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin to PATH in .profile ? |
| 23:21.32 | kergoth | or use buildroot, which adds it to the path for you |
| 23:21.39 | kergoth | ;) |
| 23:22.33 | posix4 | is their any reason why i get a second of lag whenever i do something? |
| 23:22.44 | posix4 | like i click something it lags for a second and then starts again |
| 23:22.47 | kergoth | you're on weed? |
| 23:22.50 | kergoth | on, you mean on the |
| 23:22.51 | kergoth | Z |
| 23:22.54 | kergoth | s/on/oh/ |
| 23:23.06 | posix4 | ye on the Z |
| 23:23.44 | TCMAN | where are buildroot snapshots ? |
| 23:24.21 | kergoth | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 23:24.22 | | oz snapshot is, like, http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 23:28.58 | TCMAN | i dont use bk |
| 23:29.05 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:29.07 | kergoth | so use the snapshot. |
| 23:29.12 | kergoth | thats what its for |
| 23:29.46 | TCMAN | yesterday i have set z to wake me up in the morning, and it did, but it looks like it spawned about 5 copies of opiealarm |
| 23:29.54 | kergoth | ah, thats the infamous opiealarm zombie bug |
| 23:29.57 | kergoth | sandman is working on that one |
| 23:30.16 | TCMAN | kergoth: great |
| 23:37.40 | cbok | kg - i have a dumb questions |
| 23:37.44 | cbok | er singular |
| 23:37.47 | cbok | not plural |
| 23:38.06 | cbok | kg - is the headphone jack on the 5500 mono or stereo output? |
| 23:38.25 | TCMAN | sounds stereo to me |
| 23:38.29 | cbok | hmmm |
| 23:38.33 | cbok | i am getting mono output |
| 23:38.44 | cbok | using opie media player |
| 23:38.46 | cbok | mp3 stream |
| 23:39.21 | kergoth | should be stereo unless you're recording input from the mic at the same time |
| 23:42.41 | cbok | but, alas its my first time streaming to it.. |
| 23:44.04 | kergoth | hm, i _think_ i nailed the bug with those c700 kernels failing |
| 23:44.30 | rev|lib | yarr |
| 23:44.30 | rev|lib | alas |
| 23:44.39 | kergoth | rebol? |
| 23:48.24 | rev|lib | rebol is a neat, but proprietary scripting language for network stuff |
| 23:48.29 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:48.32 | rev|lib | 'network stuff' being what it's intention is |
| 23:48.45 | rev|lib | but it generally is quite easy to use for most anything, has its own cross-platform gui toolkit |
| 23:48.50 | rev|lib | by the carl of amiga fame |
| 23:48.55 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:49.05 | rev|lib | a lot like a parens-less scheme |
| 23:49.15 | rev|lib | i'd say the syntax is like Tcl, but not as annoying |
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| 23:52.06 | cbok | mono output only |
| 23:52.10 | cbok | from opie-player |
| 23:52.18 | cbok | tried several mp3 streams |
| 23:52.20 | cbok | any ideas? |
| 23:52.24 | untorn | is there an archieved mailing list for OZ available through a website? |
| 23:52.27 | kergoth | not offhand |
| 23:52.29 | kergoth | ask on the lists |
| 23:52.38 | kergoth | sf has the ml archives |
| 23:52.43 | kergoth | but the sf interface blows |
| 23:52.58 | kergoth | I want to see if we can get the OZ lists accessible via marc.theaimsgroup.com |
| 23:53.30 | cbok | and some folks here are not having issues with opie-player and stereo streams? |
| 23:53.44 | kergoth | havent heard anything about it |
| 23:53.49 | cbok | damn... |
| 23:53.55 | cbok | and i've basically never used that jack |
| 23:53.56 | kergoth | obviously that doenst necessarily mean there isnt a problem |
| 23:54.06 | cbok | and it doesn't sound crackly or what not.. |
| 23:54.07 | kergoth | so drop a message to openzaurus-users and opie lists |
| 23:54.11 | cbok | i will |
| 23:54.12 | cbok | :) |
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| 23:54.54 | kergoth | hey Hellaenergy |
| 23:55.36 | Hellaenergy | hey kergoth! |
| 23:55.43 | Hellaenergy | how have you been? |
| 23:55.54 | kergoth | pretty good. broke, but good |
| 23:55.55 | kergoth | you? |
| 23:56.07 | Hellaenergy | bout the same |
| 23:56.30 | Hellaenergy | stressed out between work and school though |
| 23:57.14 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: Why you so broke? Buying too many Z's? |
| 23:57.39 | kergoth | naw, roommate moved out |
| 23:57.44 | Hellaenergy | ouch |
| 23:58.01 | kergoth | and damnit, i dont want another one. i hate the lack of privacy, having someone else around all the fucking time |
| 23:58.10 | kergoth | so i havent started looking for a new one yet |
| 23:58.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:58.15 | Hellaenergy | I hear you there |
| 23:58.32 | rev|lib | maybe you could get a live in girlfriend |
| 23:58.36 | rev|lib | heh |
| 23:58.37 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 23:58.44 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:58.50 | rev|lib | there are plusses and minuses to that too |
| 23:58.55 | Hellaenergy | That likes computers ;) |
| 23:58.56 | rev|lib | you just need a perfect roomate methinks |
| 23:59.01 | rev|lib | hell: that ios my gf! ;) |
| 23:59.06 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@m123-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) |
| 23:59.09 | George- | boo |
| 23:59.24 | Hellaenergy | rev|lib: Keep her, thats unique |
| 23:59.38 | kergoth | heh, no kidding |
