| 00:00.10 | cozzano | the zaurus is great, i've more or less replaced me laptop with it, but one thing is missing |
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| 00:00.24 | cozzano | video out, is it at all possible? |
| 00:00.52 | raster | George-: aaah so you did see japanese then :) |
| 00:00.56 | cozzano | brett: give you warning, brace yourself |
| 00:01.46 | George- | raster: no way ;) |
| 00:01.54 | krezel[laptop] | whats the command to change the root directory? |
| 00:02.03 | yeiazel | chroot |
| 00:02.07 | raster | $B$9$4$$$$(B $B$+$o$$$$(B $B$G$9(B $B$M!*(B |
| 00:02.24 | raster | $BF|K\8l(B $B$G$9!*(B |
| 00:02.27 | krezel[laptop] | thanks |
| 00:02.28 | George- | cozzano: hang on, you replaced your laptop with a Z? |
| 00:02.30 | yeiazel | « <raster> $B$9$4$$$$(B $B$+$o$$$$(B $B$G$9(B $B$M!*(B » / so beautiful... :) |
| 00:02.35 | George- | raster: seeing lots of dollar signs |
| 00:02.47 | raster | ooh |
| 00:02.51 | George- | raster: and several Bs, and +s and (, and 9 |
| 00:02.53 | numatrix | cozzano: it might be; there are CF -> vga adapters, but I don't know if any drivers work on the z. |
| 00:02.58 | cozzano | no, but I have to lug the damn thing around less often |
| 00:03.19 | George- | I'd never trade my tibook for a Z :) |
| 00:03.44 | noidd | hey rasterman, hows things going? |
| 00:04.10 | raster | you SHOULD see: |
| 00:04.15 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/see.png |
| 00:04.19 | fliplap | i do rbing my laptop with my much less often now |
| 00:04.27 | cozzano | george: yeh okay, give me ti anyday |
| 00:04.28 | noidd | hows evas on Z fb? :-) |
| 00:04.40 | fliplap | even tho my laptop is only 3lbs...it doesn't fit in my pocket :-) |
| 00:04.52 | noidd | that would be localisation then rasterman |
| 00:05.08 | raster | noidd: i havent ported it to the z keyboard/buttons & touchscreen yet. |
| 00:05.25 | George- | raster: I see what yeiazel pasted |
| 00:05.36 | noidd | it is a truely lovely library |
| 00:05.39 | yeiazel | raster: utf-8 ? |
| 00:05.59 | raster | George-: bugger. you shoudl tunr on "kanji local <-> JIS translation" |
| 00:05.59 | noidd | its just a pain that you can only have one fb device active at a time |
| 00:06.09 | raster | and use a font that supports japanese chars. |
| 00:06.18 | noidd | so you have to do either opie or evas or gtkfb or ... |
| 00:06.22 | George- | raster: uhm, where? |
| 00:06.25 | raster | yeiazel: no. the world uses stupid encodings liek jis-2022 |
| 00:06.27 | raster | or euc |
| 00:06.35 | yeiazel | ok |
| 00:06.45 | raster | not many things use utf-8 (whihc imho the the one true encoding) |
| 00:06.48 | yeiazel | seemed strange for utf8 ;) |
| 00:06.53 | George- | raster: lemme just remind you I'm on OS X ;) |
| 00:07.01 | yeiazel | afaik, MS Win XP uses utf8 |
| 00:07.05 | yeiazel | and redhat 8 |
| 00:07.06 | George- | raster: and it doesn't l ike me |
| 00:07.10 | yeiazel | and xchat for gnome 2 |
| 00:07.21 | raster | noidd: evas can run under opie (qtopia) and display in a widget. that engine was done ages ago. |
| 00:07.41 | cozzano | okay i have a new policy. to look before asking - found a vga adapter on sharp place http://www.sharpplace.com/product.asp?sku=1749916. $250 argh |
| 00:07.53 | raster | yeiazel: not for e-mail. most peole use jis2022. not for irc... not for a chunk of things :( |
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| 00:08.06 | George- | raster: will that work with the Z? |
| 00:08.19 | raster | personally i advocate utf-8 becuase thats what i made evas uses natively :) |
| 00:08.28 | yeiazel | raster: yeah, you right |
| 00:08.35 | raster | George-: evas? or japanese in irc? |
| 00:08.47 | yeiazel | utf8 rocks :) |
| 00:08.49 | George- | raster: woops, wrong person |
| 00:08.55 | George- | s/raster/cozzano |
| 00:08.59 | George- | cozzano: will that work with the Z? |
| 00:09.22 | raster | yeiazel: and xp doesn tuse utf-8 well 2000, wince, anc wince.net all use 2byte unicode. |
| 00:09.32 | raster | George-: oh .. eheh |
| 00:09.33 | raster | :) |
| 00:09.47 | noidd | raster: ah, that excellent |
| 00:10.03 | yeiazel | raster: thanks for the precision :) |
| 00:11.02 | krezel[laptop] | my desktop is eating itself alive |
| 00:11.04 | raster | yeiazel: i know this. i had to do wince .net development and realised all my file handlign routines all were ascii as were all my text routines ascii/utf-8 and so i had to convert to/from 2byte unicode all the time to deal with the apis :) |
| 00:11.36 | cozzano | george: yep, according to sharpplace.com it will connect fine to the z's cf slot |
| 00:11.41 | cozzano | cool |
| 00:11.45 | krezel[laptop] | hmm is it bad when lilo just prints "L" and then "99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99" |
| 00:11.59 | raster | krezel[laptop]: yes. |
| 00:12.02 | krezel[laptop] | shit |
| 00:12.10 | krezel[laptop] | i thought it meant my computer was going to run faster |
| 00:12.12 | raster | also LI |
| 00:12.14 | raster | is bad |
| 00:12.15 | raster | as are |
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| 00:12.17 | raster | LI? |
| 00:12.19 | raster | and L? |
| 00:12.29 | cozzano | but a little out of my price range |
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| 00:12.31 | raster | iu've gotten error codes from lilo that according to the docs dont exist |
| 00:13.01 | yeiazel | krezel[laptop]: 99 means "fuck you"... lilo just said : fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you |
| 00:13.04 | yeiazel | :) |
| 00:13.24 | George- | LI and L are basically saying "ARGH! Past 1024th cylinder!!!" IIRC |
| 00:14.43 | mewyn | or can't find staage 2 |
| 00:14.52 | krezel[laptop] | its not past the 1024th cylinder though :-\ |
| 00:15.28 | George- | then again that limitation was removed years ago |
| 00:15.45 | George- | I last saw LI when I ran RH 5.0 :) |
| 00:15.51 | krezel[laptop] | heh |
| 00:15.55 | George- | when I was at the ripe old age of 9 |
| 00:15.56 | George- | lol |
| 00:15.58 | krezel[laptop] | well I got "fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you" |
| 00:16.14 | mewyn | you can still get LI when missing or not found stage 2 |
| 00:16.31 | krezel[laptop] | when does stage 2 go missing? |
| 00:16.52 | George- | krezel[laptop]: when it says "fuck you" continuously to you ;) |
| 00:18.50 | noidd | Might I suggest grub? :-) |
| 00:18.53 | noidd | grub is lovely |
| 00:18.59 | noidd | grub can have my babies |
| 00:19.02 | George- | I use yaboot/ybin as I'm on PowerPC |
| 00:19.35 | yeiazel | I don't reboot |
| 00:21.15 | krezel[laptop] | this whole thing started because I rebooted |
| 00:25.13 | cozzano | vga cf saga for anyone who cares: the card on sharp place is the only one i can find for the Z. Anyone fancy a new project . . . |
| 00:27.06 | cozzano | bye bye |
| 00:48.39 | George- | cya |
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| 01:09.27 | krezel[laptop] | Hmm... How exactly does one add their CD-ROM to lilo so you can make it boot off of a CD? |
| 01:09.38 | krezel[laptop] | I know you can do it with floppies |
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| 01:13.38 | omoore | hello.. gotta q about my z... |
| 01:13.54 | omoore | i want the hostnam set to 'zaurusomoore'... |
| 01:14.50 | omoore | i added... /bin/hostname zaurusomoore ...to /etc/rc.d/rc.local but this does not seem to work |
| 01:14.59 | omoore | on reboot.. the hostname stays 'localhost' |
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| 02:36.27 | krezel[laptop] | that was quite the split |
| 02:36.34 | doughecka | heh |
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| 02:42.58 | Zarchon_Desktop | I can upgrade to 3.2 via the package handler right, now reflashing necessary? :-) |
| 02:43.08 | Zarchon_Desktop | no reflashing, even? |
| 02:43.24 | doughecka | you wish |
| 02:43.55 | Zarchon_Desktop | Given that I'm already on 3.1? |
| 02:44.15 | biafradog | anyone help me with building xgcc 3.2.2? |
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| 02:56.19 | treke|home | Zarchon_Desktop: you need to reflash |
| 03:02.11 | omoore | is there a Win Term Svcs client for the z? |
| 03:02.42 | treke|home | ibot, zsi |
| 03:03.05 | doughecka | huh |
| 03:03.20 | treke|home | http://killefiz.de/zaurus |
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| 03:21.10 | chouimat | treke|home: comee back will have stop the dune talk :) |
| 03:27.00 | _Psycho | dune ? i just rewatched it today |
| 03:27.03 | _Psycho | thats movie own ;) |
| 03:27.26 | doughecka | but then I have never seen it have I? |
| 03:33.10 | treke|home | chouimat: lying fuck :) |
| 03:33.54 | |ryan| | Does anyone know where the config file for wireless paramaters is? |
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| 03:37.20 | doughecka | HEY MUTEXER!!!! |
| 03:37.32 | mutexer | anyone know where I can get a gdb ipkg? |
| 03:37.35 | mutexer | hey |
| 03:37.44 | doughecka | I dont |
| 03:45.45 | mutexer | nm I found it |
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| 03:50.01 | jahlin | i am thinkin of buying zaurus does it come with a wireless network card? |
| 03:50.29 | mithro | jahlin: nope you have to buy it seperatley |
| 03:51.27 | jahlin | hahh |
| 03:51.41 | jahlin | mithro:is it worth buying?i mean do u like it |
| 03:53.07 | mithro | i have a sl-c700 not the standard 5500 that you can get in the US |
| 03:56.07 | |ryan| | gah, I just discovered that my Digital camera uses it's own filesystem on MMC cards |
| 03:56.12 | |ryan| | how annoying |
| 03:57.50 | mithro | |ryan|: yeah very |
| 04:02.20 | |ryan| | anyone know if it's safe to symlink /opt to /mnt/card/opt? |
| 04:03.05 | mutexer | ln -s /mnt/card/opt /opt ? |
| 04:03.16 | mutexer | oh heh |
| 04:03.21 | mutexer | I thought you said anyone know how |
| 04:03.23 | |ryan| | yeah, that gonna hurt anything? |
| 04:03.29 | mutexer | I odnt know if its safe or not |
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| 04:20.22 | doughecka | hi |
| 04:20.26 | warmi | hi |
| 04:20.36 | warmi | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=1503&e=5&u=/afp/20030329/ts_afp/iraq_war_civilians |
| 04:20.39 | warmi | wtf is that ? |
| 04:20.49 | warmi | surreal |
| 04:21.03 | doughecka | it sure looks like a link to yahoo to me |
| 04:21.13 | doughecka | but they can be tricky |
| 04:21.46 | warmi | it is not the link |
| 04:22.00 | doughecka | oh? |
| 04:22.04 | doughecka | it sure fooled me |
| 04:22.06 | warmi | I am not sure if this is funny or sad |
| 04:22.07 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:22.24 | warmi | check out the article itself |
| 04:22.40 | doughecka | and I must be off to bed anyway |
| 04:22.56 | doughecka | http://www.drudgereport.com |
| 04:22.57 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:22.57 | doughecka | :) |
| 04:22.59 | warmi | "Iraqi civilians feed hungry US marines" |
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| 04:42.04 | imadcow1 | he sure has |
| 04:42.19 | imadcow1 | anyone know if you can change that in gaim? |
| 04:43.27 | chouimat | yup just relog with another user |
| 04:43.48 | imadcow1 | other than that |
| 04:43.55 | imadcow1 | I know xchat allows me to change it |
| 04:43.55 | chouimat | nope |
| 04:44.01 | imadcow1 | or at least I thought it did |
| 04:44.20 | imadcow1 | oh well I like to feel powerful occasionally |
| 04:47.15 | imadcow1 | oh goody it looks like someone telnetted into my machine :) |
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| 05:19.31 | Locutus4242 | Anybody know where I can get the src for the addressbook? |
| 05:23.32 | mithro | for the opie addressbook? |
| 05:27.15 | Locutus4242 | z 5000 |
| 05:27.51 | Locutus4242 | I have the source for qpe-1.4.0 but what's on the 5000/5500 is 1.5.0. IIRC |
| 05:28.43 | Locutus4242 | I'm looking for it because I recently connected my Z( via Bluetooth ) to a T68i and I want to hack the addressbook so I can have it dial voice calls. |
| 05:43.07 | treke|home | Locutus4242: the Zaurus addressbook code isnt avaialable |
| 05:43.20 | treke|home | Its derived from something between 1.4 and 1.5 |
| 05:48.25 | biafradog | when is the dev program gonna get better? |
| 05:48.56 | treke|home | get better? hah |
| 05:49.15 | Locutus4242 | treke|home: any suggestions as to how I could get something working? Maybe OPIE code? |
| 05:49.31 | treke|home | try the opie code |
| 05:50.21 | Locutus4242 | I'll give it a shot. I hope it doesn't mean a complete SDK overhaul.... |
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| 06:37.58 | skimpIzu | who put zaurus up vagina? |
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| 07:15.39 | untorn | whats up with ubrowser? |
| 07:16.14 | skimpIzu | who put zaurus up vagina? |
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| 07:25.32 | dariusZ | does it matter what distribution you use to cross compile for the Zaurus? |
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| 07:26.09 | |ryan| | I don't think so. |
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| 07:26.59 | gaurdian | emacs for Z |
| 07:27.07 | skimpIzu | exactly, bonobo is just like corba |
| 07:27.31 | dariusZ | or rather... can I use Redhat? |
| 07:27.56 | |ryan| | dariusZ: Just try it ;) |
| 07:27.59 | ChipX86 | dariusZ: I do |
| 07:28.54 | dariusZ | heh |
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| 07:42.47 | frankps | good morning |
| 07:42.53 | yeiazel | 'morning |
| 07:45.51 | untorn | can anyone give me some advice as to how to get kismet working...? |
| 07:46.16 | untorn | have to put your mac id in kismet.conf and then run kismet_monitor and then kismet right? |
| 07:47.16 | yeiazel | I didn't touch kismet.conf |
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| 07:49.01 | untorn | FATAL: could not connect to localhost:2501 killing server |
| 07:49.35 | XavierXeon | untorn: kismet ? |
| 07:49.58 | untorn | XavierXeon: yep |
| 07:50.30 | yeiazel | with kismet_curses, I start kismet_monitor, then kismet_server, and kismet_curses in another terminal |
| 07:51.02 | XavierXeon | it _might_ help : make some entry in /etc/hosts with " zaurus <your ip> " and give the z the name zaurus with "hostname zaurus" |
| 07:52.50 | untorn | yeiazel: I don't have kismet_curses |
| 07:53.16 | yeiazel | ah |
| 07:53.37 | yeiazel | kismet_client ? |
| 07:53.41 | untorn | I installed it from feed |
| 07:53.46 | untorn | yes have client... |
| 07:54.00 | yeiazel | try with that |
| 07:54.00 | yeiazel | :) |
| 07:54.07 | untorn | heh |
| 07:54.21 | untorn | me messing with kismet.conf prolly messed things up |
| 07:54.30 | untorn | you used to HAVE to register your mac id |
| 07:55.55 | untorn | the UI must take like 10 mins to load |
| 08:11.34 | jshare | what should I use to play mp3s on 3.2 ? |
| 08:11.41 | jshare | i don't see mediaplayer in the stable feed |
| 08:11.48 | jshare | mediaplayer2 ? |
| 08:11.57 | yeiazel | xmms ? |
| 08:12.36 | jshare | that doesn't need x ? |
| 08:13.28 | yeiazel | no |
| 08:13.40 | yeiazel | it's a ported version to qt/e |
| 08:14.37 | jshare | oic |
| 08:14.40 | jshare | what's the package called? |
| 08:15.09 | jshare | is it in the stable feed? |
| 08:15.23 | yeiazel | oh ! |
| 08:15.27 | yeiazel | it hasn't been compiled |
| 08:15.50 | yeiazel | fucking kergoth |
| 08:15.56 | yeiazel | :) |
| 08:16.39 | jshare | i am having very little luck installing apps to sd |
| 08:16.43 | jshare | they never seem to work |
| 08:17.19 | yeiazel | it always worked for me |
| 08:26.24 | *** join/#zaurus Aimio (~Aimiii@adsl-189-145.iomart.com) |
| 08:26.44 | Aimio | "libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by qtopia-desktop-1.6.0-1" welcome to redHat country :p ? |
| 08:31.45 | *** join/#zaurus TCMAN (~dbehr@adsl-64-164-11-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 08:31.51 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 08:32.18 | jshare | What does it mean when I click on an icon, and it says "Could not start the application FOO" ? |
| 08:32.33 | jshare | there's a symlink missing/wrong somewhere, yes? |
| 08:33.17 | TCMAN | jshare: it happened to me too, SD-MMC got corrupted |
| 08:33.28 | jshare | what? |
| 08:33.30 | jshare | really |
| 08:33.34 | jshare | that's crazy |
| 08:36.06 | *** join/#zaurus DavvOnZ (~DavvOnZ@CPE-65-28-156-19.new.rr.com) |
| 08:36.52 | TCMAN | jshare: do you have sd-mmc card with installed apps? |
| 08:36.56 | jshare | yep |
| 08:37.14 | jshare | but it gets corrupted? |
| 08:37.25 | TCMAN | exit opie, unmoun /mnt/card and fsck /dev/mmcda1 |
| 08:37.45 | jshare | alrighty |
| 08:37.55 | TCMAN | jshare: yup, i got my sandisk card fucked up royally yesterday |
| 08:38.05 | jshare | what is the root cause? |
| 08:38.13 | TCMAN | jshare: i think rebooting/shutting down from opie is bad |
| 08:38.19 | jshare | hmmm |
| 08:38.37 | jshare | so you should terminate opie |
| 08:38.40 | TCMAN | jshare: now i do that from console after i explicitly sync and unmount /mnt/card |
| 08:38.48 | jshare | oic |
| 08:38.52 | jshare | ok then |
| 08:39.31 | jshare | how do I fsck mmcda1? |
| 08:39.36 | jshare | # fsck /dev/mmcda1 |
| 08:39.36 | jshare | fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) |
| 08:39.36 | jshare | Could not determine filesystem type for /dev/mmcda1 |
| 08:39.36 | jshare | fsck: fsck.auto: not found |
| 08:39.36 | jshare | fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.auto for /dev/mmcda1 |
| 08:40.43 | yeiazel | do you have any important data on it ? |
| 08:40.52 | jshare | lol |
| 08:40.58 | jshare | well, no, but there are a few apps installed |
| 08:41.00 | yeiazel | ok |
| 08:41.05 | TCMAN | jshare: wow, fsck is in rom, maybe it got corrupted too |
| 08:41.21 | yeiazel | first, do e2fsck /dev/mmcda1 |
| 08:41.28 | TCMAN | jshare: maybe you should backup contents of /root to cf and reflash everything |
| 08:41.35 | jshare | e2? It's formatted vfat |
| 08:42.01 | yeiazel | oh |
| 08:42.06 | TCMAN | jshare: when my sd-mmc got corrupted fortunately i had quite fresh tar backup of whole card on my desktop |
| 08:42.10 | yeiazel | don't install apps on a fat fs :) |
| 08:42.19 | jshare | oic |
| 08:42.22 | jshare | well |
| 08:42.29 | jshare | that could well be the cause of the badness, in that case |
| 08:42.40 | yeiazel | 'coz of symlinks, and so... |
| 08:42.56 | jshare | well, sweet christ |
| 08:42.57 | yeiazel | try fsck.vfat /dev/mmcda1 |
| 08:43.02 | jshare | why isn't that in the faq ? |
| 08:43.22 | yeiazel | 'coz the oz team is lazy ? :) |
| 08:43.37 | jshare | yeah, there seem to be a lot of "rough edges" |
| 08:43.49 | jshare | i've learned the hard way that ipkg != apt-get |
| 08:43.56 | gaurdian | and people wonder why I run the sharp rom |
| 08:44.23 | jshare | (i.e. you have to reflash to upgrade, and there are crazy amounts of broken dependencies) |
| 08:44.27 | TCMAN | jshare: you installed apps on fat16 parition ? |
| 08:44.33 | jshare | well, apparently |
| 08:44.40 | jshare | i never reformatted the sd card or anything |
| 08:44.41 | jshare | so |
| 08:44.44 | jshare | i figure, yep |
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| 08:44.50 | TCMAN | jshare: format it ext2 |
| 08:44.59 | jshare | good thing this channel exists... |
| 08:45.05 | jshare | :) |
| 08:45.13 | jshare | that's some pretty important info, right htere |
| 08:45.22 | jshare | some apps have worked fine when installed to SD tho |
| 08:45.47 | jshare | still, that could very well explain the mad flakiness that I"ve had with it |
| 08:46.00 | TCMAN | jshare: i formatted my sd-mmc to ext2, and moved /opt /root and /home there, and now install everything to "ram" |
| 08:46.24 | jshare | is that "/opt" "/root" and "/home" ? |
| 08:46.29 | jshare | or /opt/root |
| 08:46.37 | jshare | the former, i think |
| 08:46.51 | jshare | # fsck.vfat /dev/mmcda1 |
| 08:46.52 | jshare | dosfsck 2.8, 28 Feb 2001, FAT32, LFN |
| 08:46.52 | jshare | Bus error |
| 08:46.53 | jshare | hmm |
| 08:46.59 | jshare | that's probably not good |
| 08:47.11 | TCMAN | jshare: not good |
| 08:47.30 | gaurdian | get the fdisk from ZSI |
| 08:47.43 | gaurdian | ibot zsi |
| 08:47.55 | jshare | zsi? |
| 08:48.35 | jshare | ok, so, here's what I want to do |
| 08:48.50 | jshare | wipe the zaurus, install fresh from 3.2 flash |
| 08:48.57 | jshare | then what do i do with the sd card? |
| 08:49.09 | TCMAN | format the card to ext2 |
| 08:49.12 | jshare | i'v eonly had the thing for a week, so i've not got any data on it |
| 08:49.18 | jshare | how do I do that |
| 08:49.27 | TCMAN | jshare: do you have sd-mmc reader in your desktop ? |
| 08:49.38 | jshare | on my win2k desktop, yes |
| 08:49.59 | TCMAN | jshare: yikes, no linux there ? |
| 08:50.10 | jshare | well, not on a desktop machine |
| 08:50.15 | TCMAN | jshare: you can try partitioning and formatting sd-mmc on zaurus |
| 08:50.26 | jshare | and I'm actually not sure that I have any linux boxes with USB, etc. |
| 08:50.27 | TCMAN | jshare: but i got bus error in fdisk |
| 08:50.37 | TCMAN | jshare: anyway fdisk /dev/mmcda |
| 08:50.53 | *** join/#zaurus phoen][x (phoenix@pD9564E67.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:50.59 | TCMAN | then d 1 - delete partition 1 |
| 08:51.11 | jshare | bus error |
| 08:51.12 | TCMAN | n p 1 create new primary partition |
| 08:51.12 | jshare | piss. |
| 08:51.13 | gaurdian | I told you get the fdisk from ZSI |
| 08:51.21 | TCMAN | w - write and exit |
| 08:51.25 | gaurdian | the one in the image is broken |
| 08:51.28 | TCMAN | mke2fs /dev/mmcda1 |
| 08:51.30 | jshare | what is this "zsi" of which you speak? |
| 08:51.44 | *** join/#zaurus Shdwdrgn (Picard@sourpuss.net) |
| 08:51.45 | yeiazel | jshare: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 08:51.48 | yeiazel | zaurus software index |
| 08:51.48 | TCMAN | jshare: zaurus software index killefiz.de ? |
| 08:51.54 | gaurdian | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 08:52.11 | gaurdian | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=205 |
| 08:52.41 | TCMAN | btw, what script is udhcpc called from except /etc/pcmcia/network ? |
| 08:53.28 | TCMAN | or who to ask to add -H `cat /etc/hostname` to udhcpc params ? |
| 08:58.34 | *** join/#zaurus omoore (~omoore@ip68-13-242-182.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 08:58.59 | omoore | can OpenZaurus installation be done using a SD card rather than a CF card? |
| 08:59.07 | omoore | the install instructions reference a CF card |
| 08:59.17 | jshare | nope |
| 08:59.21 | jshare | must use CF |
| 08:59.25 | jshare | kind of a bitch, really |
| 08:59.52 | omoore | no kidding... |
| 08:59.56 | jshare | i'm pretty sure it has to do with the built-in rom stuff |
| 09:00.02 | omoore | i use the CF for a wireless nic |
| 09:00.11 | jshare | and that it loads from /dev/hda1, etc. |
| 09:00.11 | omoore | dam |
| 09:00.14 | jshare | well |
| 09:00.15 | jshare | dude |
| 09:00.20 | jshare | you just need the CF card when flashing |
| 09:00.23 | jshare | not to run it |
| 09:00.25 | omoore | i know.. |
| 09:00.32 | omoore | but don't have one *because* of the above |
| 09:00.34 | jshare | oic |
| 09:00.35 | jshare | yeah |
| 09:00.39 | jshare | i was borrowing one |
| 09:00.40 | HCl | get one.. |
| 09:00.46 | jshare | but it was too much hassle |
| 09:00.49 | omoore | my camera has a 15MB... |
| 09:00.56 | jshare | so i just broke down and got a reader and card |
| 09:01.05 | omoore | but the instructions say at least 16MB.. that's accurate? or will a 15MB work? |
| 09:01.24 | fliplap | no, you can't fit everything on there |
| 09:01.24 | omoore | so long as the install files *fit* on the cf? |
| 09:01.30 | TCMAN | omoore: ROM is 16MB, (oz is little smaller) |
| 09:01.31 | omoore | well hell |
| 09:01.35 | fliplap | well, as long as everything fits |
| 09:01.42 | jshare | are you sure you only have a 15mb card? |
| 09:01.46 | jshare | 'cause that seem sweird |
| 09:01.59 | omoore | that's what the card says.. leme put it in the z and see what it says |
| 09:02.12 | TCMAN | jshare: its probably 16MB - FAT, directories and crapp |
| 09:02.27 | yeiazel | omoore: try to put the files on the card, you'll see if it's big enough... |
| 09:02.33 | jshare | the card I was borrowing was a 16meg card, and that worked fine |
| 09:02.48 | jshare | now I have a 64meg card, because it was $30 |
| 09:03.58 | omoore | it's 16MB |
| 09:04.04 | omoore | sweet.. ok |
| 09:04.07 | jshare | that should work |
| 09:04.11 | omoore | other that following the instructions... |
| 09:04.13 | jshare | as long as it's formatted fat |
| 09:04.16 | jshare | fat16 |
| 09:04.29 | omoore | is there anything i should watch out for .. that would realy damage my z for good? |
| 09:04.55 | omoore | i'll follow instructions to the T but don't want to hose my z |
| 09:05.03 | TCMAN | omoore: flashing OZ should not break Z |
| 09:05.03 | jshare | i had to rebuild the Z a few times (like right now), but I didn't ahve any problems |
| 09:05.18 | jshare | I'd recommend doing an md5sum on the Z, to verify the files |
| 09:05.23 | TCMAN | omoore: flashing sharp rom can break z because i think they flash bootblock too |
| 09:05.24 | jshare | before you flash |
| 09:05.24 | omoore | right |
| 09:05.27 | omoore | good idea |
| 09:05.38 | jshare | also, reboot, eject the card, put it back, and do another md5sum |
| 09:05.48 | jshare | i've had issues with the file not syncing |
| 09:05.52 | jshare | or somethign |
| 09:05.58 | omoore | jshare: will do... |
| 09:06.09 | jshare | md5sum gave the right asnwer, then I ejected and reinserted, and it gave a different one |
| 09:06.14 | jshare | wack a doodle doo. |
| 09:06.30 | TCMAN | jshare: did you umount before eject ? :))) |
| 09:06.42 | jshare | i just rebooted, actually |
| 09:06.51 | omoore | ok.. so (1) md5sum the card.. after a reboot (2) follow instructions to the t (3) confirm the CF card is FAT16 not some other FAT.. right? |
| 09:06.54 | jshare | because I typed "sync'" and got impatient. :) |
| 09:07.01 | omoore | (er.. md5sum the files) |
| 09:07.06 | yeiazel | omoore: no pb with vfat |
| 09:07.27 | omoore | thx yeiazel... |
| 09:07.35 | TCMAN | yeiazel: vfat is either fat16 or fat32 :) vfat just means fat with long file names |
| 09:07.36 | omoore | ok.. another q.. how long will this take? |
| 09:07.41 | omoore | (rough idea) |
| 09:07.45 | jshare | to flash? |
| 09:07.47 | jshare | 3 minutes |
| 09:07.48 | yeiazel | TCMAN: yeah |
| 09:07.55 | omoore | install |
| 09:08.01 | TCMAN | omoore: flashing from microdrive was like 10 minutes |
| 09:08.05 | yeiazel | TCMAN: he said « confirm the CF card is FAT16 not some other FAT » |
| 09:08.14 | yeiazel | TCMAN: but afaik it works with any fat |
| 09:08.15 | *** part/#zaurus Davv (~davv@65.28.157.128) |
| 09:08.15 | TCMAN | omoore: it takes too long just to sit and watch |
| 09:08.15 | omoore | so once i begin.. say 30 mins i'll be done (at most 30?) |
| 09:08.18 | jshare | after flashing and rebooting, it takes a few minutes to fully come up to the GUI |
| 09:08.26 | jshare | probably |
| 09:08.35 | jshare | it doesn't take long to flash |
| 09:08.42 | jshare | and about the same time to boot after flashing |
| 09:08.43 | TCMAN | jshare: first boot i think is longer |
| 09:08.50 | omoore | cool...i'll hang out here while i do it |
| 09:08.51 | jshare | right |
| 09:08.57 | jshare | the first boot takes a bit |
| 09:09.33 | omoore | question before i dl the images... |
| 09:09.35 | jshare | ok, time to reflash |
| 09:09.52 | TCMAN | btw, has anyone tried quake for zaurus ? |
| 09:09.57 | omoore | i am considering OZ cause i am going to custom configure about 100 Z's for a business application we are doing... |
| 09:10.01 | TCMAN | it cannot find wad files on mine |
| 09:10.32 | omoore | the thing that entices me to OZ.. is the ability to adjust the mem distribution between software and storage... |
| 09:10.34 | TCMAN | omoore: you could probably build rom with the apps you need and then just flash them all |
| 09:10.47 | jshare | if you can fit it |
| 09:10.48 | omoore | TCMAN: yeah.. this is R&D right now for me... |
| 09:10.52 | omoore | anyway... |
| 09:11.33 | omoore | can i choose one image now for app/storage distribution and change only that later on with a reflash? |
| 09:11.48 | jshare | what do you mean "change only that" ? |
| 09:11.58 | omoore | the mem/storage distribution of memory |
| 09:12.15 | omoore | just the zimage |
| 09:12.18 | jshare | it'll change everything on the flash rom when you reflash |
| 09:12.20 | omoore | maybe that's a bad quesiton |
| 09:12.23 | omoore | right |
| 09:12.29 | omoore | ok.. i follow now |
| 09:12.31 | jshare | so, that's like 16megs of space |
| 09:12.49 | omoore | well.. once i get one configured... |
| 09:13.11 | omoore | can i "image" the prototype.. and then load that image onto the other units? |
| 09:13.22 | omoore | or say backup the prototype and restore onto the others? |
| 09:13.53 | TCMAN | omoore: dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/whatever.bin :) |
| 09:14.10 | jshare | last night, I learned: |
| 09:14.10 | jshare | <XavierXeon> dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/initrd.bin will give you a flashable image and the cards/ram can be backed up using rsync (see oz faq dor details) |
| 09:14.15 | omoore | even better.. they will all have wireless nics... so i would imagine that i could power them all up.. and have a script do this for me,... yes? |
| 09:14.16 | TCMAN | omoore: whatever.bin is the name sharp gives to their bioses |
| 09:14.35 | omoore | k |
| 09:14.40 | omoore | sweet |
| 09:15.05 | omoore | i loved my Z with the stock linux install.. i can see i'm going to like it even better now |
| 09:15.45 | jshare | ok, so, now that I've reflashed my Z, and have fdisk'd and mke2fs'd my sd |
| 09:15.50 | jshare | i should be able to install apps to the SD ? |
| 09:15.59 | TCMAN | i like OZ better especially that i couldnt care less for java, opera and hancom |
| 09:16.08 | yeiazel | jshare: do a fsck.ext2 |
| 09:16.16 | jshare | before installing shit to them? |
| 09:16.24 | jshare | err, it |
| 09:16.25 | TCMAN | jshare: you can set SD install target |
| 09:16.26 | jshare | ok |
| 09:16.31 | jshare | yes |
| 09:16.32 | yeiazel | yea, to be sure |
| 09:16.37 | jshare | that's what I'd been doing, in the gui app |
| 09:16.44 | TCMAN | yeiazel: he has fat16 sd now and he has to format it ext2 first |
| 09:16.55 | jshare | no, I just did mke2fs on it |
| 09:16.59 | jshare | and that looked good |
| 09:17.14 | yeiazel | TCMAN: you should read more what is said in the chan |
| 09:17.36 | jshare | with the fdisk from zsi, i was able to blow away the fat partition |
| 09:17.40 | jshare | and then recreate one |
| 09:17.44 | jshare | and then mke2fs it |
| 09:17.58 | TCMAN | yeiazel: my bad |
| 09:19.04 | omoore | ok.. got all the zImages and the root filesystem... |
| 09:19.18 | omoore | i see that the "suggested" zImage to use for users new to OZ... |
| 09:19.20 | TCMAN | omoore: just select one zImage |
| 09:19.24 | omoore | is the 40--24... |
| 09:19.29 | TCMAN | i use 64-0 |
| 09:19.46 | jshare | seems like that'd depend on whether you had SD and/or CF, no? |
| 09:20.00 | omoore | does OZ require more app memory than the default sharp install? |
| 09:20.03 | jshare | granted, you must have /some/ CF, or you couldn't flash |
| 09:20.04 | TCMAN | omoore: since you want to install apps to sd you dont need big ramdisk |
| 09:20.22 | yeiazel | I use 32-0 |
| 09:20.32 | yeiazel | with a 256 MB SD (50 MB used) |
| 09:20.43 | omoore | TCMAN: ok.. but the units that go to the field will not have SD cards |
| 09:21.13 | TCMAN | omoore: are you going to develop on your zaurus now ? |
| 09:21.23 | TCMAN | omoore: you can always reflash it later |
| 09:21.48 | TCMAN | i have 64-0 and 256mb sd card |
| 09:22.04 | TCMAN | i have moved /root /home and /opt to sd, so there was 8mb free rom |
| 09:22.29 | TCMAN | then i installed some stuff and gdb and gdb took like 3mb in rom |
| 09:23.54 | jshare | So, what's the next step in configuring my Z, now that i have ext2 on my SD ? |
| 09:24.20 | TCMAN | jshare: sync, shutdown and flash OZ |
| 09:24.52 | jshare | ok, yes, I have reflashed, and have booted back to opie |
| 09:25.09 | jshare | should I move /root, /home, and /opt to SD ? |
| 09:25.33 | jshare | if so, is there a URL for the procedure? |
| 09:25.36 | omoore | back now.. wife woke up :) |
| 09:25.42 | TCMAN | jshare: its your call, moving it makes more space on internal flash and then reduces writes to internal flash when installing apps |
| 09:26.25 | TCMAN | jshare: i decided that i dont want any ramdisk, and to install as much stuff as possible on sd |
| 09:26.41 | jshare | may as well, i suppose, since I have this 256meg sd sitting here empty |
| 09:27.35 | TCMAN | jshare: flash has limited number of writes and then burns out so i dont want to write much to internal flash |
| 09:28.05 | TCMAN | jshare: but then i am probably too careful about my zaurus |
| 09:28.25 | jshare | i'm just looking forward to getting the dang thing stable |
| 09:28.37 | jshare | not installing stuff to fat will probably help that. |
| 09:28.51 | TCMAN | jshare: yup, probably |
| 09:28.55 | jshare | :) |
| 09:29.15 | jshare | does ext2 have more overhead than FAT, size-wise? |
| 09:29.22 | TCMAN | jshare: if you move /root and /home and /opt you can install stuff to "ram" and it ends up on sd too |
| 09:29.26 | jshare | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.42 | omoore | while i'm readying myself for this.. i have a q about OZ... |
| 09:29.49 | TCMAN | jshare: i think it may have less overhead, but i am not sure |
| 09:30.17 | omoore | in general.. will all hardware that works with Sharp rom work with OZ.. in particualr.. i use an ambicom wireless nic that works out-of-the-box... |
| 09:30.25 | TCMAN | omoore: fat16 overhead is 2 bytes per cluster, fat32 is 4 bytes per cluster, but i dunno about ext2 |
| 09:30.28 | omoore | anyone know if this nic works with OZ? |
| 09:31.06 | TCMAN | omoore: oz has hostap drivers and everything prism2 based should work |
| 09:31.31 | omoore | is does support wep ofcourse.. yes? |
| 09:31.45 | omoore | (128bit wep) |
| 09:31.57 | TCMAN | omoore: yup, it does wep |
| 09:32.22 | TCMAN | omoore: i have 64bit wep at home and 128 at work, and it works with netgear ma701 and dlink dcf-650 |
| 09:32.39 | TCMAN | hostap does wep in software if it cant in hardware |
| 09:32.50 | omoore | cool |
| 09:33.08 | TCMAN | omoore: it just depends much on firmware version on your card |
| 09:34.14 | omoore | TCMAN: but if it works with Sharp ROM it should (will?) work with OZ? |
| 09:34.30 | TCMAN | omoore: yes i think so |
| 09:34.35 | omoore | k |
| 09:34.54 | TCMAN | omoore: oz supports more cards by default |
| 09:34.58 | omoore | copying the images to my SD card now... then will remove the nic and copy to the cf card |
| 09:35.21 | jshare | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=31 |
| 09:35.25 | jshare | so |
| 09:35.29 | jshare | from reading that |
| 09:35.44 | jshare | i don't actually need to install the 64-0 image, yes? |
| 09:35.48 | jshare | but I may as well? |
| 09:35.57 | jshare | i've got the 52-12 on there now |
| 09:36.13 | jshare | ah, screw it, i'll just give it a shot. :) |
| 09:36.38 | TCMAN | jshare :)) |
| 09:37.09 | jshare | at that point, do I just install apps to root, as it it says? |
| 09:37.35 | jshare | well, "/" , that is |
| 09:37.37 | omoore | i have a general q about OZ -vs- Sharp ROM... |
| 09:37.55 | omoore | the Sharp ROM was not very secure environment.. if you network it... |
| 09:38.00 | omoore | is OZ better on this? |
| 09:38.18 | omoore | (did i say not very? how about just plain wide open easy to see/hack/etc) |
| 09:39.03 | omoore | i did things like give root pasword, etc.. but is OZ a bit more security concience? |
| 09:39.27 | jshare | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/whyoz |
| 09:39.53 | jshare | i've seen iptables in teh feed, so presumably, you could lock it down pretty good. |
| 09:39.58 | TCMAN | you can always write your rom to cf and reflash with different kernel |
| 09:40.18 | omoore | ic |
| 09:40.18 | jshare | but the SD only works with the existing kernel, yes |
| 09:40.19 | jshare | >? |
| 09:40.47 | TCMAN | is there samba in OZ ? |
| 09:40.58 | yeiazel | TCMAN: yes |
| 09:41.16 | TCMAN | jshare: i mean different ram/storage ratio |
| 09:41.18 | omoore | samba rocks for the z |
| 09:41.40 | jshare | tc oic |
| 09:41.42 | omoore | infact.. i stream all my music over the wireless nic via smbmounted dir from my linux box |
| 09:41.50 | TCMAN | smbmount: no such file or directory WTF? |
| 09:42.07 | jshare | so the zImage is what sets the ram/ramdisk ratio, and the initrd.bin is just an image of the flash? |
| 09:42.09 | TCMAN | is it in the feed ? |
| 09:42.13 | TCMAN | jshare: yes |
| 09:42.20 | jshare | good to know |
| 09:42.35 | phoen][x | hmm i should upgrade |
| 09:42.43 | phoen][x | whats a good way to keep contacts, etc.. |
| 09:42.45 | phoen][x | ? |
| 09:43.53 | phoen][x | i mean, does the backup utility do the trick? |
| 09:44.47 | omoore | oh..just realized something about my CF card... |
| 09:44.52 | omoore | it has some stuff on it... |
| 09:45.05 | omoore | i can of course just delete all of it... (or copy to SD card).. |
| 09:45.10 | omoore | but... question is... |
| 09:45.21 | jshare | shouldn't matter, if the initrd and zImage fit |
| 09:45.22 | TCMAN | phoen][x: tar is a wonderful backup utility |
| 09:45.27 | omoore | ahh. nvr mind |
| 09:45.48 | jshare | good lord, writing to the SD is /slow/ |
| 09:46.02 | phoen][x | TCMAN: hmm yeah sounds okay - but what about the new apps; will they be able to read the vcards/... ? |
| 09:46.06 | jshare | oh, wait, maybe not as slow as i thought |
| 09:46.32 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i dont know, oz contacts apps can import .vcf files |
| 09:46.42 | TCMAN | phoen][x: but it keeps stuff in xml file |
| 09:46.57 | phoen][x | ah well, i'll simply tar / |
| 09:47.13 | TCMAN | phoen][x: that will tar your whole fs |
| 09:47.25 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i think you need just /root probably |
| 09:47.28 | noidd | hmm, illy question |
| 09:47.32 | *** join/#zaurus buliwyf (~buliwyf@p508C45E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:47.38 | noidd | but with oz 3.2 - is it the stable feed we use now |
| 09:47.52 | phoen][x | TCMAN: yeah, but i have GB's of space via nfs. and even the whole / is kinda small |
| 09:47.57 | noidd | since 3.2 is now stable |
| 09:48.07 | phoen][x | TCMAN: besides, i got opera installed (without ipkg) |
| 09:48.08 | TCMAN | phoen][x: do it then and restore only what you need |
| 09:48.15 | phoen][x | yep |
| 09:48.17 | noidd | ie, have peeps moved the packages from unstable to stable at time of release |
| 09:48.18 | phoen][x | makes sense that |
| 09:48.21 | TCMAN | phoen][x: you dont want to restore your whole tarred / to OZ |
| 09:48.29 | phoen][x | TCMAN: nope |
| 09:48.53 | TCMAN | is samba in any feed or what ? where's samba ? |
| 09:49.09 | omoore | TCMAN: on the Zaurus Software Indes |
| 09:49.17 | noidd | sambe was meant to be in 3.2, but the person doing the development is mia |
| 09:49.21 | omoore | smbmount and sambaserver |
| 09:50.00 | TCMAN | noidd: darn |
| 09:50.17 | jshare | ah, it's in the testing feed. |
| 09:50.28 | TCMAN | noidd: do you think OZ developers could write simple how to begin developing for OZ howto ? |
| 09:50.30 | jshare | man, how big is the /opt directory |
| 09:51.24 | noidd | TCMAN: probably |
| 09:51.45 | noidd | TCMAN: I've almost got my encironment set up, just missing a few details |
| 09:51.56 | noidd | once I get them resolved I could do a write-up |
| 09:52.02 | TCMAN | i downloaded the toolchain from oz site but its kinda weird |
| 09:52.11 | jshare | ah, silly me. "du" is installed. :) |
| 09:52.15 | TCMAN | oz is glibc 2.2.4 and this toolchain has 2.2.3 and so on |
| 09:52.36 | phoen][x | TCMAN: the simplest way to compile stuff is to use nfs |
| 09:52.42 | TCMAN | noidd: can you please write some howto and maybe post tarball of your env somewhere ? |
| 09:52.56 | phoen][x | the toolchain setup is a pain in the ass (sorry for the bad language, but it is) |
| 09:52.58 | noidd | TCMAN: this is what I have done so far |
| 09:53.10 | noidd | ibot, oz toolchain |
| 09:53.10 | | hmm... oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 09:53.18 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i can do worse :))) |
| 09:53.21 | noidd | I downloaded version 1.1 from there |
| 09:53.31 | noidd | untarred it in that directory |
| 09:53.53 | TCMAN | noidd: then i need oz snapshot tarball and qte-2.3.4 ? |
| 09:54.08 | TCMAN | noidd: do i need qt-2 on my desktop too ? |
| 09:54.10 | omoore | ok.. images coppied to the CF card.. rebooting to confirm md5sum is correct |
| 09:54.17 | noidd | I have no idea at all how to do anything with qte |
| 09:54.19 | TCMAN | noidd: i have only qt-3 now |
| 09:54.36 | TCMAN | noidd: but OZ uses qte right ? |
| 09:54.37 | noidd | omoore: I'm glad to see someone else who is as paranoid as me :-) |
| 09:55.13 | omoore | heh |
| 09:55.30 | TCMAN | hmm, latest in gentoo is qt embedded 3.0.5 |
| 09:56.10 | phoen][x | gentoo? /me hides |
| 09:56.40 | TCMAN | phoen][x: dont you like gentoo ? :) |
| 09:57.22 | phoen][x | heh, /whois me |
| 09:58.22 | TCMAN | phoen][x: so i happen to be on #gentoo too :) |
| 09:58.34 | omoore | ok.. one more question before i begin... |
| 09:58.54 | omoore | i want to be able to get back to the Sharp ROM.. programs and alll... |
| 09:59.12 | omoore | how to i do this if i flash |
| 09:59.24 | jshare | i've no idea. :) |
| 09:59.24 | phoen][x | yeah, well i'm a gentoo dev. thats why i usually am quiet when somebody says something about that distro - most guys blame the devs for everything. |
| 09:59.53 | phoen][x | like 'omg my kde doesnt work - YOU are the guilty one!' |
| 09:59.56 | TCMAN | phoen][x: yeah, why modudils 2.4.24 fucked up my usb mouse :) ? |
| 10:00.02 | phoen][x | argh |
| 10:00.20 | omoore | so? can i get bck to the Sharp default install after installing OZ? |
| 10:00.21 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i had to go back to 2.4.22 :) |
| 10:00.30 | TCMAN | phoen][x: ok, no more, i promise |
| 10:00.43 | omoore | if so.. how? do i backup the rom now? or what? |
| 10:00.49 | phoen][x | TCMAN: 2.4.24? huh? did i miss something? |
| 10:00.54 | phoen][x | Linux gravity 2.4.20-gaming-r1 #1 SMP Fri Mar 28 18:07:27 CET 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 10:01.05 | noidd | phoen][x: gentoo beyond rocks. |
| 10:01.11 | phoen][x | oh, talking about modutils |
| 10:01.24 | TCMAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.24 | TCMAN | * sys-apps/modutils |
| 10:01.24 | TCMAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.24 | TCMAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.24 | TCMAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.34 | noidd | phoen][x: gentoo have have my babies |
| 10:01.44 | TCMAN | omoore: tar / to somewhere |
| 10:02.08 | TCMAN | omoore: later, just flash sharp stock rom, untar the backed up stuff and pray |
| 10:02.10 | noidd | omoore: you can download the sharp ROM from the sharp website and flash it back should you want to |
| 10:02.17 | noidd | omoore: but why would you want to? :-) |
| 10:02.22 | phoen][x | noidd: idd :_ |
| 10:02.22 | jshare | oh, is the flashrom filesystem compressed or somethign? |
| 10:02.26 | phoen][x | :) even |
| 10:02.30 | TCMAN | there should be no going back from OZ :) |
| 10:03.24 | omoore | TCMAN: noidd: not saying i will.. this is my first time with OZ tho.. just wanted an out if OZ blows :-) |
| 10:04.04 | TCMAN | omoore: well, you can always flash stock sharp rom, you can dl it from myzaurus.com |
| 10:04.20 | omoore | ok.. so i have the update CD Sharp sends me with "SL-5500 ROM Update" or the downloaded rom wil work.. cool |
| 10:04.26 | TCMAN | omoore: but it took me one day of using sharp rom to switch to oz |
| 10:04.45 | TCMAN | omoore: especially that oz 3.2 fixes hangs with removing wlan card |
| 10:04.46 | omoore | how about he Hancom office software... and the sync software.. that works with OZ? |
| 10:05.11 | TCMAN | omoore: there are ipks that create ipks :) of jeode, opera and hancom crap |
| 10:05.26 | TCMAN | omoore, then you can install those ipks on oz |
| 10:05.51 | omoore | so i should do those now.. before i flash.. yes? and save off the ipks |
| 10:05.53 | omoore | ? |
| 10:05.58 | TCMAN | omoore: they should be like hancomcreator on zsi |
| 10:06.11 | TCMAN | omoore: yup, get and install those ipks |
| 10:06.24 | omoore | opera rocks for pda browser.. smokes pocket ie |
| 10:06.27 | TCMAN | omoore: this will create hancom and jeode and opera ipks |
| 10:06.32 | TCMAN | omoore: save them |
| 10:06.52 | omoore | those on the Zaurus Software Index i supose.. will go there now |
| 10:06.53 | TCMAN | omoore: konq is nice too, opera seems to do better job minimizing pages |
| 10:07.16 | TCMAN | omoore: pocket ie blows, i gave my cassiopeia e-115 to my wife today :))) |
| 10:07.59 | TCMAN | zaurus is so much faster than my old casio |
| 10:08.06 | phoen][x | but those microsoft thingies have an snes emulator |
| 10:08.10 | phoen][x | buhuu |
| 10:08.11 | TCMAN | it also feels faster than ipaqs with wince i used |
| 10:08.32 | TCMAN | phoen][x: isnt there snes emu for linux already ? |
| 10:08.56 | TCMAN | just small matter of porting it :))) |
| 10:09.06 | phoen][x | TCMAN: for the Z? yeah, snes9x. but it only runs on top of xfree, which i'm not going to install on the Z |
| 10:09.11 | omoore | TCMAN: and the jeode works great on the 5500 |
| 10:09.29 | TCMAN | omoore: and why would i use java ? :))) |
| 10:10.04 | omoore | TCMAN: i guess you don't need it |
| 10:10.10 | TCMAN | phoen][x: if its opensource it can be ported, it just needs a person to do it |
| 10:10.41 | TCMAN | omoore: i havent yet seen program that i needed so badly to install java |
| 10:10.42 | phoen][x | yeah |
| 10:10.44 | omoore | TCMAN: but it's going to make me a freaking sh*t load of cash.. and i write once and the docs can run on their pocket pc or the sharp unit supplied by me |
| 10:10.48 | phoen][x | that person is not me :) |
| 10:10.58 | omoore | :-D |
| 10:11.06 | TCMAN | but then i get jdk "for free" when i install openoffice :))))) |
| 10:11.26 | omoore | TCMAN: runs on the pda .. not their desktop |
| 10:11.35 | omoore | TCMAN: medical sutff |
| 10:11.39 | TCMAN | i think emerge openoffice-bin gave me blackdown jdk or something :) |
| 10:12.14 | TCMAN | omoore: yeah, that can be good |
| 10:12.38 | omoore | the sharp unit rocks for it |
| 10:12.43 | TCMAN | omoore: but i dont think there is free jre for pocketpc |
| 10:13.13 | omoore | TCMAN: doesn't matter.. there is Personal Java available.. and alot of them want to use their pocket pc for the app... |
| 10:13.22 | omoore | TCMAN: you don't argue too much with a paying customer |
| 10:13.38 | TCMAN | omoore: yup, thats right |
| 10:13.55 | TCMAN | omoore: it looks like jeode for ppc is $20 |
| 10:13.57 | omoore | TCMAN: tho they tend to switch when they see how much better the sharp units i provide run for those that use it |
| 10:14.18 | TCMAN | omoore: that would give you probably the same bugs on ppc an z |
| 10:14.48 | omoore | TCMAN: i havn't had many issues so far |
| 10:15.33 | TCMAN | omoore: sorry it looks its $50 |
| 10:15.44 | omoore | ok.. opera/jeode/hancom creators installed |
| 10:16.07 | TCMAN | omoore: and its only for arm ppc, no mips |
| 10:16.09 | omoore | TCMAN: it could cost 200 and it wouldnt discourage me.. the money i make from the service rocks |
| 10:16.42 | TCMAN | omoore: what do i know, i am just an h1b slave :) |
| 10:16.44 | omoore | TCMAN: hell.. i give the docs a sharp unit when they sign up .. assuming they don't want to use their crappy ppc units |
| 10:16.58 | omoore | ok.. back to business now... |
| 10:18.11 | jshare | doh, there's no bash in 3.2 ? |
| 10:18.14 | omoore | how do i execute the opera/jeode/hancom applications? |
| 10:18.22 | omoore | jshare: no! don't say that |
| 10:18.36 | omoore | er.. maybe you just need to install the opie-terminal package |
| 10:18.46 | jshare | there's busybox |
| 10:19.12 | omoore | question... |
| 10:19.33 | TCMAN | i think the shell is ash |
| 10:19.52 | jshare | ash -> /bin/busybox |
| 10:20.20 | TCMAN | omoore: when you install hancomcreator ipk it creates 4 hancom ipks |
| 10:20.41 | TCMAN | omoore: install them on your OZ and you'll get icons in appplication tab |
| 10:21.05 | omoore | maybe i need to reboot the z to see them.. or suspend/comeback |
| 10:21.06 | omoore | ? |
| 10:21.15 | omoore | looked there and settings but no see them |
| 10:21.40 | TCMAN | omoore: i dont know i just got the ipks before flashing oz but i dont want too install them anyway |
| 10:22.11 | TCMAN | omoore: are you in OZ now? |
| 10:22.28 | omoore | TCMAN: no.. creating the ipks for later install |
| 10:22.35 | omoore | TCMAN: installed the creat* packages |
| 10:22.40 | TCMAN | omoore: just install hancomcreator |
| 10:22.52 | omoore | TCMAN: but don't know what to do to actually create the hancom ipks |
| 10:22.56 | TCMAN | omoore: installing itself triggers creating of hancom ipks |
| 10:23.02 | omoore | ahhh |
| 10:23.09 | TCMAN | they should be in /root i think |
| 10:23.18 | omoore | so should be in Documents actually |
| 10:23.26 | TCMAN | omoore: correct |
| 10:24.03 | omoore | bingo |
| 10:24.05 | omoore | there they are |
| 10:25.48 | mithro | beep |
| 10:27.43 | omoore | ok.. hancom, jeode, opera all safely tucked away on my desktop... |
| 10:27.55 | omoore | no i'm ready to do the flash |
| 10:27.59 | omoore | er.. now |
| 10:28.30 | TCMAN | good luck |
| 10:28.42 | TCMAN | pressing CD and reset at once :))) |
| 10:28.58 | TCMAN | they really made sure you wont do it accidentaly :) |
| 10:29.41 | omoore | heh |
| 10:30.55 | jshare | i have to hold the stylus in my teeth to hit reset |
| 10:31.06 | jshare | 'cause I need both hands to press C and D |
| 10:32.19 | TCMAN | jshare: i manage to press cd with two fingers of one hand, but i have small fingers |
| 10:32.19 | omoore | one more q before i do it... |
| 10:32.30 | omoore | ahh. never mind.. doing it now |
| 10:34.21 | *** join/#zaurus _oberon (oberon@dediziert.org) |
| 10:35.35 | jshare | once I was able to press C and D with the same finger |
| 10:35.35 | omoore | ok.. one more question before i flash :-) |
| 10:35.47 | jshare | wow. It's late. |
| 10:36.03 | omoore | the instructions state that the mail and power will begin flashing.. and that flashing can take 3-12 mins... |
| 10:36.16 | omoore | it then states to push the full reset... |
| 10:36.45 | omoore | i'm assuming the flashing will occur until the flash of bios is complete.. that is my signal to do the full reset |
| 10:37.12 | omoore | this is correct? |
| 10:37.23 | TCMAN | omoore: mail and power will be constantly lighted |
| 10:37.24 | jshare | i thought they were on solid, not flashing |
| 10:37.30 | TCMAN | omoore: when they flash its bad |
| 10:37.48 | jshare | once they go off, then full reset |
| 10:37.58 | TCMAN | omoore: they should be solid and then off, you can reset then, and close battery door |
| 10:38.00 | omoore | k.. ahh. my bad |
| 10:38.20 | omoore | ok.. here i go.... :-O |
| 10:39.32 | noidd | omoore: enjoy! :-D |
| 10:40.45 | omoore | ok.. the lights are flashing.. not solid on... |
| 10:41.10 | omoore | so i should turn off the unit and check the files on the CF card.. yes? |
| 10:41.22 | TCMAN | omoore: yes |
| 10:41.47 | TCMAN | omoore: i had the same problem with my cf card, and i used microdrive |
| 10:41.55 | TCMAN | omoore: check filenames and md5sums |
| 10:42.04 | TCMAN | omoore: and make sure it is FAT16 |
| 10:42.12 | omoore | ok.. to turn off.. (just don't want to screw things up)... |
| 10:42.23 | omoore | i tried the on/off.. but nothing happens. .still flashing.. |
| 10:42.26 | omoore | do i remove the batt? |
| 10:42.29 | omoore | and power? |
| 10:42.46 | TCMAN | reset should be enough |
| 10:43.24 | omoore | k.. booting now |
| 10:43.47 | omoore | i'll format the CF card.. copy back from the SD card... reboot... md5 the files... repeat |
| 10:44.18 | TCMAN | omoore: yup |
| 10:44.40 | TCMAN | omoore: do you format it in linux or windows ? |
| 10:46.01 | omoore | will do with camera.. i don't have windows... is fdisk available for Sharp enviro? |
| 10:46.28 | TCMAN | omoore: its in OZ, i dunno about sharp rom |
| 10:46.43 | omoore | will just do with camera |
| 10:47.57 | omoore | ok.. files are bak on it... |
| 10:48.05 | omoore | here we go again.... |
| 10:48.08 | omoore | woo hoo....... |
| 10:48.11 | omoore | :) |
| 10:48.34 | omoore | oh wait.. won't forget the md5sum check |
| 10:49.19 | phoen][x | fs |
| 10:50.36 | omoore | flashing now |
| 10:50.38 | TCMAN | i tried nfs couple times but it was causing bad hangs and stuff |
| 10:50.47 | TCMAN | so i use samba even between linux boxes |
| 10:50.52 | phoen][x | really? |
| 10:50.56 | omoore | samba rocks |
| 10:51.07 | phoen][x | same here, the mount stales |
| 10:51.20 | noidd | samba, ugh |
| 10:51.21 | phoen][x | it works on the freebsd box though, and the dns is set up correctly |
| 10:51.40 | omoore | anyone know if the 5600 is going to run OZ just fine? |
| 10:51.46 | omoore | i know it's out in about a week |
| 10:51.58 | phoen][x | w00000T it mounted it |
| 10:52.04 | omoore | have been holding off on ordering over 100 units in anticipation for it |
| 10:52.07 | phoen][x | yay, i'm god |
| 10:52.08 | phoen][x | lol |
| 10:52.24 | noidd | phoen][x: I found a bug in the gentoo feed if you want to know about it |
| 10:52.31 | TCMAN | omoore: xscale docs are available so 5600 is supposed to be easier than 5500 |
| 10:52.32 | noidd | its an easy fix - add three characters |
| 10:52.44 | phoen][x | noidd: which one? |
| 10:52.47 | TCMAN | omoore: and sd-mmc controller is on xscale, so there is full doc |
| 10:52.51 | noidd | libxml |
| 10:52.56 | omoore | TCMAN: easier? but is all the software for the 5500 going to run on the 5600? |
| 10:52.57 | noidd | its source has been moved |
| 10:53.06 | TCMAN | omoore: i think so |
| 10:53.13 | phoen][x | noidd: let me check it |
| 10:53.38 | noidd | SRC_URI="ftp://xmlsoft.org/${P}.tar.gz |
| 10:53.40 | omoore | ok.. just did the hard reset... |
| 10:53.42 | noidd | change to |
| 10:53.44 | TCMAN | omoore: xscale is supposed to be backward compatible |
| 10:53.47 | omoore | does the initial boot take a while? |
| 10:53.48 | noidd | SRC_URI="ftp://xmlsoft.org/old/${P}.tar.gz" |
| 10:53.53 | noidd | omoore: yes it does |
| 10:53.59 | omoore | this "reconfiguring all ..." |
| 10:54.01 | omoore | k |
| 10:54.01 | noidd | omoore: you should see a nice opie logo tho |
| 10:54.07 | noidd | omoore: and it saying loading ..... |
| 10:54.10 | noidd | lots of ...'s |
| 10:54.28 | noidd | phoen][x doesn't trust me ;-P |
| 10:54.31 | yeiazel | s/opie logo/oz logo/ |
| 10:54.36 | TCMAN | my next one will be c700 |
| 10:54.37 | noidd | which is fine, I don't trust me either |
| 10:54.45 | TCMAN | probably next xmas :)) |
| 10:54.53 | noidd | thats what I meant yeiazel |
| 10:54.54 | TCMAN | or sony vaio u3 :) |
| 10:55.24 | TCMAN | i always wear cargo pants so i could put U3 in my pocket, har har har |
| 10:57.07 | phoen][x | noidd: you are right |
| 10:57.25 | noidd | phoen][x there ya go, and having cvs access you can fix it /nod |
| 10:57.32 | phoen][x | noidd: yeah |
| 10:58.24 | noidd | good nuff |
| 10:58.35 | omoore | yeah baby |
| 10:59.22 | TCMAN | omoore: is it flashing ? |
| 10:59.31 | phoen][x | noidd: commited |
| 11:00.00 | omoore | no.. i'm in OZ |
| 11:00.17 | *** join/#zaurus cwaig (~cg2@adsl-195-184-237-106.mistral-uk.net) |
| 11:00.31 | TCMAN | omoore: great |
| 11:00.34 | phoen][x | noidd: check the ChangeLog :) |
| 11:00.59 | omoore | ok.. there are obviously programs i need to download... |
| 11:01.05 | omoore | (recorder for example) |
| 11:01.13 | omoore | i assume these are available on the website... |
| 11:01.15 | omoore | yes? |
| 11:01.23 | noidd | gotta rsync first |
| 11:01.24 | TCMAN | omoore: put in your wlan card, configure it |
| 11:01.38 | omoore | k.. will do o |
| 11:01.39 | TCMAN | then go to setting/packages |
| 11:01.39 | omoore | now |
| 11:01.45 | noidd | hmm, wonder how long it takes for the changes to propagate to the rsycn server i'm using |
| 11:02.28 | TCMAN | omoore: options/configure, select stable feed, set active server checkbox, and press update |
| 11:02.50 | TCMAN | omoore: then actions/update lists |
| 11:02.52 | phoen][x | noidd: http://cvs.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gentoo-x86/dev-libs/libxml/ChangeLog?rev=1.11&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 11:02.57 | noidd | phoen][x: that will cheer up a few people who are downloading xmms |
| 11:02.58 | phoen][x | noidd: round about 15 mins |
| 11:03.07 | TCMAN | omoore: and you can install packages from stable feed (3.2) |
| 11:03.12 | noidd | phoen][x: talkinga bout cheering up and xmms: |
| 11:03.15 | omoore | give me a min.. need to enter my 128bit wep key :-( |
| 11:03.25 | noidd | http://www.criticalintegration.com/CheerUp.mp3 |
| 11:04.11 | noidd | phoen][x: there be another changelog i've shoehorned my way into |
| 11:04.25 | noidd | omoore: haha |
| 11:04.35 | phoen][x | noidd: lol |
| 11:04.44 | TCMAN | damn, qt2 takes ages to emerge |
| 11:05.15 | phoen][x | noidd: the gentoo developer policy says: "Give credit where credit is due. We're all doing this for free, so the best we can hope (and expect!) to receive is credit." |
| 11:06.20 | noidd | phoen][x: sorry, http://kimchi.criticalintegration,com/CheerUp.mp3 |
| 11:06.25 | phoen][x | TCMAN: heh, 'phoenix-cvs' takes even longer |
| 11:06.38 | noidd | phoen][x: thats what you need anytime someone has a go at you poor gentoo developers |
| 11:06.47 | phoen][x | Resolving kimchi.criticalintegration,com... failed: Host not found. |
| 11:07.02 | omoore | holy crap... |
| 11:07.08 | TCMAN | phoen][x: couple days ago i compiled mozilla 1.3 on my 600mhz toshiba notebook :) |
| 11:07.14 | omoore | now the Qtopia Desktop shows tons of stuff :) |
| 11:07.16 | TCMAN | phoen][x: it took like 4 or 5 hours |
| 11:07.16 | phoen][x | ouch |
| 11:07.22 | omoore | (in the installed programs screen |
| 11:07.32 | noidd | phoen][x: sorry, http://kimchi.criticalintegration.com/CheerUp.mp3 |
| 11:07.36 | phoen][x | TCMAN: OOo takes ~20hrs and 9G of space from what i heard |
| 11:07.39 | noidd | phoen][x: s/,/./ :-) |
| 11:07.55 | TCMAN | phoen][x: WOW! |
| 11:08.02 | phoen][x | noidd: oh, should've found that myself |
| 11:08.18 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i emerged openoffice-bin :) |
| 11:08.48 | phoen][x | sissie :) |
| 11:09.06 | noidd | whenever life gets you down - etc |
| 11:09.08 | TCMAN | phoen][x: but i usually emerge -b heavy stuff on my dual axp1600+ desktop |
| 11:09.30 | phoen][x | eek |
| 11:09.38 | noidd | haha |
| 11:09.41 | noidd | :-) |
| 11:09.48 | noidd | ba woo bab |
| 11:09.52 | TCMAN | phoen][x: then i install the package on the notebook |
| 11:10.04 | phoen][x | something is really borked with my Z |
| 11:10.10 | phoen][x | it simply powers off |
| 11:10.20 | phoen][x | (and its in the dock) |
| 11:10.31 | omoore | heh..i can already see i'm gonna like OZ |
| 11:10.31 | phoen][x | after it powers off, it flashes the mail-light |
| 11:10.40 | TCMAN | phoen][x: maynbe you should recharge it ? |
| 11:10.43 | phoen][x | really weird |
| 11:10.51 | phoen][x | TCMAN: nah, its in the dock |
| 11:10.53 | TCMAN | phoen][x: the power cable may have fallen out |
| 11:11.22 | phoen][x | nope, it has the charge-light turned on |
| 11:12.06 | noidd | phoen][x: did you get that mp3? |
| 11:12.11 | TCMAN | settings->light and power->on ac->suspend after ? |
| 11:12.47 | *** join/#zaurus frankps (~fsilye@10.80-202-169.nextgentel.com) |
| 11:13.53 | phoen][x | TCMAN: already killed opie |
| 11:14.19 | phoen][x | noidd: getting it now - isdn is sooooo slow |
| 11:14.48 | TCMAN | why do i keep getting kitchen stuff in goldbox on amazon ? :))) |
| 11:14.55 | TCMAN | or baby cradles ? :) |
| 11:15.11 | noidd | phoen][x: its worth it, I promise :-) |
| 11:15.13 | biafradog | got a girlfriend that surfs on your machine? ;-) |
| 11:15.17 | TCMAN | ronco fd5 food dehydrator :) |
| 11:15.36 | noidd | phoen][x: apm -v ? |
| 11:16.07 | TCMAN | my wife is allergic to children/babies :) |
| 11:16.10 | phoen][x | someone should port zsh to the Z |
| 11:16.33 | phoen][x | noidd: output of apm -v |
| 11:16.35 | phoen][x | # apm -v |
| 11:16.35 | phoen][x | APM BIOS 1.2 (kernel driver 1.14) |
| 11:16.35 | phoen][x | AC on-line, battery status high: 100% |
| 11:16.55 | noidd | erk, |
| 11:17.30 | phoen][x | weird, no? |
| 11:17.40 | noidd | very |
| 11:17.47 | TCMAN | phoen][x: yup |
| 11:17.58 | jshare | has anyone gotten gnuboy to work? |
| 11:18.19 | TCMAN | i think the power control stuff may still work outside opie |
| 11:18.46 | TCMAN | i think apmd takes care of this stuff |
| 11:19.20 | phoen][x | TCMAN: my power control stuff is set to "never power off on ac" |
| 11:20.09 | TCMAN | hmm, thats weird then |
| 11:20.51 | phoen][x | noidd: the song is quite nice |
| 11:20.55 | noidd | hehe |
| 11:21.12 | noidd | its what my gentoo machine plays when it boots |
| 11:21.18 | phoen][x | should put it into the topic of #gentoo |
| 11:21.19 | noidd | laptop, at customer site |
| 11:21.22 | noidd | breaks the ice |
| 11:21.37 | noidd | go ahead |
| 11:21.41 | noidd | my server can take it |
| 11:21.43 | noidd | (I hope) |
| 11:21.46 | noidd | hehe |
| 11:22.12 | noidd | I expect to see emerge dev-libs/penis package soon |
| 11:22.22 | phoen][x | rofl |
| 11:22.50 | jshare | Ahh, the terribly mr grimshaw |
| 11:22.50 | phoen][x | right after sys-kernel/windows-nt-4.0 |
| 11:23.01 | TCMAN | sweet, i opened this mp3 in mozilla and it runs gxine to play it :) |
| 11:23.03 | phoen][x | and sys-porn/brunette-{0-20} |
| 11:23.30 | jshare | I think one of my friends knows the guy who made that |
| 11:24.18 | noidd | thats cool, i'd love to speak to em |
| 11:25.06 | phoen][x | there, the zaurus went off again |
| 11:25.10 | phoen][x | mail is flashin green |
| 11:25.48 | TCMAN | phoen][x: maybe the switch in the back is in "replace battery" position or something |
| 11:25.56 | phoen][x | nope |
| 11:26.03 | phoen][x | well, thats funny |
| 11:26.11 | phoen][x | the wlan card lights green |
| 11:26.19 | phoen][x | ohhhhh |
| 11:26.22 | noidd | lcd shutdown then |
| 11:26.24 | phoen][x | its a dpms screensaver |
| 11:26.29 | phoen][x | phoenix is soooo stupid |
| 11:27.00 | TCMAN | that is one fucked up song :) |
| 11:27.12 | omoore | can refreshing the package lists take a considerable amount of time the first time? even over 802.11 wireless nic (11mb) |
| 11:27.22 | jshare | <quincy> Trevor Grimshaw. guy me and Death are on a list with ... |
| 11:27.22 | jshare | <quincy> I'm not sure whether I've met him or not. |
| 11:27.34 | TCMAN | omoore: maybe 30 secs on mine (DSL) |
| 11:27.41 | TCMAN | omoore: the packages file is tiny |
| 11:27.44 | jshare | that is a great, great song |
| 11:27.48 | omoore | going to restart opie then |
| 11:27.51 | TCMAN | omoore: are you sure you got the network up ? |
| 11:27.57 | omoore | cause i get 350MB |
| 11:28.03 | TCMAN | omoore: iwconfig, ifconfig, ping |
| 11:28.03 | omoore | er.. 350KB |
| 11:28.10 | omoore | ifconfig shows 192.168.1.106 |
| 11:28.13 | omoore | i'll ping tho |
| 11:28.41 | jshare | oic, silly me |
| 11:28.45 | jshare | listening to the wrong mp3 |
| 11:28.47 | jshare | *sigh* |
| 11:28.49 | jshare | tricky winamp |
| 11:29.17 | noidd | jshare: whenever life gets you down, and you're wearing a frown, and the gravy-train has left you behind |
| 11:29.22 | noidd | jshare: is the one you want |
| 11:29.27 | jshare | yeah |
| 11:29.32 | omoore | i can ping www.yahoo.com |
| 11:29.35 | jshare | i was listening to: |
| 11:29.41 | omoore | going to restart opie.. and try refresh again |
| 11:29.44 | jshare | http://redirx.com/?xZU1PtggsAQUDwAAYsU |
| 11:29.49 | TCMAN | omoore: then refreshing package list on my zaurus is like 3 seconds |
| 11:30.21 | omoore | i'll try again.. i just noticed... qtopiadesktop is open.. and trying to connect at same time.. |
| 11:30.24 | omoore | maybe that was it |
| 11:30.53 | omoore | i had a list when i came back from opie restart... |
| 11:31.03 | TCMAN | hey, i didnt try to connect my zaurus to my desktop, do i have to install qtopia desktop and anything else ? |
| 11:31.06 | omoore | but just did the actions->update lits again... |
| 11:31.18 | omoore | sitting there for awhile |
| 11:31.30 | omoore | TCMAN: qtopiadesktop for linux .. |
| 11:31.32 | omoore | that's it |
| 11:31.51 | TCMAN | omoore: what about windoze box ? |
| 11:32.14 | TCMAN | omoore: actually i should probably get my cradle to work and synch to outlook at work only |
| 11:32.42 | TCMAN | i do all my private email in sylpheed on notebook |
| 11:32.56 | omoore | ok.. not sure what's going on here... |
| 11:32.59 | omoore | my steps... |
| 11:33.07 | omoore | (1) settings->packages |
| 11:33.20 | omoore | (2) Options->configure |
| 11:33.44 | TCMAN | ok |
| 11:33.48 | omoore | (3) on servers tab... selected stable, then update |
| 11:33.56 | omoore | shows... |
| 11:34.02 | TCMAN | correct, it wwrites /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 11:34.26 | omoore | shows... /openzaurus.org/official/stable/feed in adress |
| 11:34.32 | TCMAN | then ok, select stable from drop down menu |
| 11:34.51 | TCMAN | actions-update lists |
| 11:34.55 | TCMAN | 3 seconds wait |
| 11:35.08 | omoore | selected stable... then actions->refresh lists |
| 11:35.24 | TCMAN | and start button there |
| 11:35.47 | omoore | right |
| 11:35.57 | omoore | there it goes now |
| 11:36.01 | TCMAN | omoore: you can select verbose wget in options there |
| 11:36.03 | omoore | wierd.. took several tries |
| 11:36.15 | omoore | ahhhhh |
| 11:38.11 | omoore | wow.. OZ rocks so far |
| 11:38.43 | omoore | first app i install.. vncserver :-) |
| 11:38.52 | omoore | so i can dock and work from desktop :-D |
| 11:39.04 | omoore | well.. just lay on table even :) |
| 11:40.24 | TCMAN | omoore: hehe, keypebble is cool too |
| 11:40.25 | omoore | oh dang.. vncserver on OZ is just the normal size .. i do like the doublesize available for the Sharp ROM |
| 11:40.51 | phoen][x | just take the sharprom package |
| 11:41.00 | omoore | sharprom? |
| 11:43.26 | omoore | question... |
| 11:43.55 | omoore | actually.. let me check something first |
| 11:44.30 | omoore | ok... |
| 11:44.38 | omoore | in settings->packages, stable... |
| 11:44.59 | omoore | i see packages.. some have a blue bubble/circle/dot/whatever next to them |
| 11:45.06 | omoore | are these ones ive installed? |
| 11:45.11 | omoore | or are installed rather |
| 11:45.14 | TCMAN | omoore: blue dot - installed |
| 11:45.55 | omoore | ahhh. view->show not installed is good option :) |
| 11:48.15 | phoen][x | sorry, was in #gentoo |
| 11:48.55 | omoore | oo question... |
| 11:49.06 | omoore | can OZ opie-mediaplayer stream ogg-vorbis? |
| 11:50.09 | *** join/#zaurus Titeuf (~Titeuf@80.65.224.177) |
| 11:50.31 | phoen][x | dont have it installed right now |
| 11:52.20 | omoore | wow... |
| 11:52.32 | omoore | i should have been more conservative on the memory stuff... |
| 11:52.32 | TheMasterMind1 | what are some cool apps/games i can install on my Z? |
| 11:52.42 | omoore | i dont' use much ram |
| 11:52.51 | omoore | but the storage is almost empty already |
| 11:52.55 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: Neo's :) |
| 11:53.07 | TheMasterMind1 | how about free ones |
| 11:53.07 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 11:54.03 | omoore | TheMasterMind1: google this... Zaurus Software Index |
| 11:54.18 | TheMasterMind1 | omoore: heh, i already went through zsi a couple times |
| 11:54.28 | TheMasterMind1 | i have 70 megs of software on my sd card now |
| 11:54.32 | TheMasterMind1 | i want more! |
| 11:55.03 | omoore | well.. i just installed OZ.. there is a crapload of software availalbe via the builtin software package manager |
| 11:55.10 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 11:55.12 | omoore | that links to the OZ servers |
| 11:55.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i would know, i'm an OZ developer |
| 11:55.22 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 11:55.30 | omoore | heh |
| 11:57.20 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: how could you waste precious developing time playing games? get back to work! |
| 11:57.28 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 11:57.52 | TheMasterMind1 | i only have 39 games on my Z |
| 11:59.03 | noidd | anyone here run an imap server? |
| 12:00.01 | noidd | looking for options |
| 12:00.08 | noidd | cyrus is too complex |
| 12:00.18 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: did you install quake ? |
| 12:00.23 | TheMasterMind1 | not yet |
| 12:00.23 | noidd | sorry, courior is too bloated |
| 12:00.29 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to figure out doom too |
| 12:00.32 | TheMasterMind1 | make an icon for it |
| 12:00.34 | noidd | cyrus has a proprietary mailbox format |
| 12:00.41 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone run a jabber server? |
| 12:00.44 | TheMasterMind1 | i want AIM ! |
| 12:01.41 | omoore | TheMasterMind1: i know that there is an AIM client .. check zsi.. it might only be for the Sharp ROM but i doubt it |
| 12:01.48 | TheMasterMind1 | kinkattalite |
| 12:01.52 | TheMasterMind1 | its not very good |
| 12:01.54 | omoore | TheMasterMind1: i used it for some time when on Sharp ROM |
| 12:02.06 | omoore | well.. it does the job... |
| 12:02.10 | TheMasterMind1 | it hangs for me whenever people login and logout |
| 12:02.17 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe because i have such a large buddylist |
| 12:02.18 | omoore | it's not as good as the kmerlin for msn.. but it works |
| 12:02.19 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 12:02.31 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i'd use it but its not usable |
| 12:02.36 | TheMasterMind1 | because it just freezes up |
| 12:02.37 | omoore | i want a yahoo client |
| 12:02.48 | omoore | hmm.. never did that to me |
| 12:02.52 | TheMasterMind1 | jabber can do yahoo/icq/aim/msn |
| 12:03.06 | TheMasterMind1 | if you find a server that supports them |
| 12:03.17 | TheMasterMind1 | the jabber.org doesn't because of political issues |
| 12:03.47 | phoen][x | heyas TMM1 |
| 12:03.48 | omoore | i see |
| 12:04.03 | TheMasterMind1 | phoen][x: hi |
| 12:04.14 | phoen][x | TheMasterMind1: well done (the 3.2 release) |
| 12:04.20 | omoore | does the opie media player stream ogg? |
| 12:07.09 | TheMasterMind1 | phoen][x: thanks |
| 12:07.13 | TheMasterMind1 | it was mostly kergoth |
| 12:07.14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 12:07.34 | TheMasterMind1 | frankps: that means you either had corrupt downloads or you didnt' rename the files |
| 12:07.51 | frankps | I renamed the one file |
| 12:08.00 | TheMasterMind1 | one should be zImage |
| 12:08.02 | TheMasterMind1 | the other initrd.bin |
| 12:08.11 | TheMasterMind1 | are you using windows? |
| 12:08.27 | frankps | macOS X |
| 12:08.30 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 12:08.34 | TheMasterMind1 | and have a cf reader? |
| 12:08.39 | frankps | yes |
| 12:08.41 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 12:08.49 | TheMasterMind1 | the exact names should be zImage and initrd.bin |
| 12:08.55 | TheMasterMind1 | it might be zImage.bin or something |
| 12:09.02 | TheMasterMind1 | if hide extensions is on |
| 12:09.12 | TheMasterMind1 | and you should also check the md5 of the files |
| 12:09.17 | TheMasterMind1 | so you know if they're corrupted |
| 12:09.25 | frankps | ah |
| 12:09.30 | frankps | will try it once more |
| 12:10.00 | omoore | geez... removing a package takes some time |
| 12:10.04 | TheMasterMind1 | and if thats all fine and it doesn't work, you probably have a messed up cf. try reformatting it. make sure you do fat16, not fat32 or anything else |
| 12:10.19 | TheMasterMind1 | omoore: depends on the package |
| 12:10.36 | TheMasterMind1 | though ipkg is a piece of shit |
| 12:10.47 | omoore | heh |
| 12:11.02 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm allowed to say that since i'm one of the developers |
| 12:11.04 | TheMasterMind1 | =D |
| 12:13.32 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: since you are developer can you add -H `cat /etc/hostname` to all udhcpc calls ? |
| 12:13.46 | TheMasterMind1 | TCMAN: hmm yes |
| 12:14.01 | TheMasterMind1 | will that work though |
| 12:14.09 | TheMasterMind1 | udhcpc is called via ifupdown |
| 12:14.17 | TheMasterMind1 | and i dunno if the `` syntax will work |
| 12:14.26 | *** join/#zaurus jespah (~jespah@1Cust67.tnt4.stk3.swe.da.uu.net) |
| 12:14.26 | TheMasterMind1 | it should |
| 12:14.29 | TheMasterMind1 | everything goes through ash |
| 12:14.35 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: i want my zaurus to send hostname to dhcp server |
| 12:14.54 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: my dns at home uses dhcp leases file to resolve addresses |
| 12:15.33 | TheMasterMind1 | TCMAN: i'll give you an ipk to test. let me know if it works and if it does i'll commit the change |
| 12:16.03 | jespah | How reliable is the april 5th release date? |
| 12:16.16 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm? |
| 12:16.19 | TheMasterMind1 | april 5th? |
| 12:16.22 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: ok |
| 12:16.36 | jespah | Hsn deal april 5th.. |
| 12:16.40 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 12:16.41 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@m134-mp1.cvx1-b.man.dial.ntli.net) |
| 12:16.44 | George- | Moooo |
| 12:16.54 | TheMasterMind1 | George-: hey |
| 12:17.05 | George- | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 12:18.23 | TheMasterMind1 | TCMAN: www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ifupdown_0.6.4-7a_arm.ipk |
| 12:18.40 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm wait |
| 12:18.40 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 12:18.41 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 12:18.43 | TheMasterMind1 | thats wrong |
| 12:18.50 | TheMasterMind1 | dont use that one |
| 12:19.01 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: ok |
| 12:19.34 | TheMasterMind1 | TCMAN: www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ifupdown_0.6.4-11_arm.ipk |
| 12:19.40 | TheMasterMind1 | there |
| 12:19.43 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: i guess since ifup is c you could use gethostname() |
| 12:20.10 | TheMasterMind1 | too much work |
| 12:20.10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 12:20.12 | TheMasterMind1 | this is easier |
| 12:20.13 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 12:21.37 | jespah | What is the best way to surf wirelessly using a cellphone and zaurus (gprs)? |
| 12:21.53 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 12:21.56 | TheMasterMind1 | bluetooth i guess |
| 12:21.58 | TheMasterMind1 | or irda |
| 12:22.31 | jespah | How does BT work? Is it built into it? |
| 12:22.34 | noidd | Ok, i'm missing something REALLy obvious |
| 12:22.39 | jespah | (im looking to buy one :D) |
| 12:22.43 | noidd | Trying to get mail2 to work |
| 12:22.48 | noidd | got the servers configured |
| 12:22.55 | noidd | you think I can find a connect button? |
| 12:25.36 | phoen][x | TCMAN: check #gentoo please |
| 12:26.21 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i think european market is AiBs now only |
| 12:26.35 | phoen][x | AiBs? |
| 12:27.02 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: great, now the name is being sent to dhcp server |
| 12:27.16 | TheMasterMind1 | TCMAN: cool, i'll push the change then |
| 12:27.17 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: it works, and it shows up in dhcpd.leases |
| 12:27.41 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: how did you do it? |
| 12:27.49 | TheMasterMind1 | exactly how you told me to |
| 12:27.54 | TheMasterMind1 | changed the udhcpc call |
| 12:28.21 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: ok, great so it uses system to run the command, not fork/exec ? |
| 12:29.07 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno |
| 12:29.12 | TheMasterMind1 | i think so |
| 12:29.18 | TheMasterMind1 | its weird, its not C |
| 12:29.43 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: what is it? ifup looks like binary file to me ? |
| 12:30.04 | phoen][x | TCMAN: what the hell is an AiB? |
| 12:30.12 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.12 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.12 | TheMasterMind1 | - cat /var/run/udhcpc.%iface%.pid | xargs -i kill -TERM {} \ |
| 12:30.12 | TheMasterMind1 | - elsif (execable("/sbin/udhcpc")) |
| 12:30.12 | TheMasterMind1 | + kill -TERM `cat /var/run/udhcpc.%iface%.pid` \ |
| 12:30.13 | TheMasterMind1 | + elsif (execable("/sbin/udhcpc")) |
| 12:30.15 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.17 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.26 | TheMasterMind1 | looks like a bash script |
| 12:30.39 | TheMasterMind1 | part of ifupdown is C and some parts are this stuff |
| 12:31.04 | TCMAN | phoen][x: Add in Board manufacturer |
| 12:31.22 | TCMAN | phoen][x: ATI is moving to chip manufacturer only business model |
| 12:31.40 | phoen][x | TCMAN: so whats a good choice there - i dont want to get a buggy card |
| 12:31.53 | TCMAN | TheMasterMind1: weird code |
| 12:32.08 | TCMAN | phoen][x: I think hercules makes good boards |
| 12:32.23 | TCMAN | phoen][x: they were always quality manufacturer |
| 12:33.06 | TCMAN | phoen][x: since ati sells chips it doesnt want to compete with their own customers, because they wouldnt like it |
| 12:34.33 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i always liked Tyan motherboards :) and they started making ATI boards too |
| 12:34.46 | TCMAN | phoen][x: but its hard too tell about tyan |
| 12:35.01 | phoen][x | TCMAN: okay, i'll see if hercules manufactures ati cards over here |
| 12:35.14 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i have seen some posts on rage3d that gigabyte fans are failing for some people |
| 12:35.22 | phoen][x | 434.00 EUR |
| 12:35.32 | phoen][x | ouch |
| 12:35.37 | TCMAN | phoen][x: what a ripoff :) |
| 12:35.40 | phoen][x | well, its a 9700pro |
| 12:35.53 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: do you happen to know who's maintaining the opie launcher? |
| 12:35.59 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 12:36.06 | TheMasterMind1 | i think sandman but i dunno |
| 12:36.39 | TCMAN | radeon 9700 pro on ati site is $300 |
| 12:36.44 | Twiun | I'm curious to know if it's possible to change an app's icon on the taskbar at runtime :) |
| 12:36.58 | phoen][x | TCMAN: hmm, i should find another shop then :) |
| 12:37.17 | George- | http://www.solwise.co.uk/adslspec.htm#SAR715 |
| 12:37.18 | noidd | TheMasterMind1: think i'm going to hit my head against something hard |
| 12:37.23 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 12:37.24 | George- | That's one hell of a nice ADSL modem/router combo ;) |
| 12:39.16 | George- | TCMAN: mark has one |
| 12:39.39 | George- | TCMAN: I personally don't like having to have a computer on all the time just to route an internet connection |
| 12:41.07 | TCMAN | George-: i have my router/firewall/server slackware box that i would put this card in |
| 12:41.23 | TCMAN | George-: one box less |
| 12:41.38 | George- | TCMAN: heh |
| 12:41.48 | George- | TCMAN: ask mark which one he has |
| 12:41.49 | TCMAN | George-: do you know what is the brand/make of this ADSL card ? |
| 12:42.00 | TCMAN | George-: mark who ? :) |
| 12:42.06 | George- | TCMAN: I am pretty certain it's some cheap ($15) ADSL PCI card |
| 12:42.17 | George- | TCMAN: nickname "mark", full name "Mark Westcott" |
| 12:42.20 | George- | ibot seen mark |
| 12:42.25 | | mark <~mark@s.westcott.freeuk.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 13h 1m 36s ago, saying: 'petition schmission'. |
| 12:42.41 | TCMAN | George-: ok, thanks |
| 12:42.45 | George- | OMFG |
| 12:42.57 | George- | WINXP BANNER AD ON USERFRIENDLY?!?!?!?!?! |
| 12:43.09 | TCMAN | George-: i got one 3com card, but its not supported |
| 12:43.12 | George- | "Brighten up your desktop... Upgrade to Windows XP" |
| 12:43.16 | TCMAN | George-: hehe, gotta see it |
| 12:43.29 | George- | http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/N1942.userfriendly.org/B1096121.19;sz=468x60 |
| 12:44.08 | TCMAN | there it is |
| 12:44.33 | George- | insanity |
| 12:45.49 | TCMAN | hehe, no its funny |
| 12:45.58 | TCMAN | thats what you get from double click |
| 12:46.09 | TCMAN | somebody should post it on slashdot and make screenshots |
| 12:46.17 | George- | hah |
| 12:47.52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 12:48.00 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't userfriendly getting spammed by kingsofchaos links |
| 12:48.38 | Wintre | Is userfriendly at all funny? |
| 12:48.44 | Wintre | It wasn't last time I checked... |
| 12:48.58 | TCMAN | they are kinda stupid sometimes |
| 12:49.11 | George- | bah, how do I convert .tiff to .jpg in OS X? |
| 12:49.12 | TCMAN | but the strips with cluebat were cool :) |
| 12:49.21 | George- | TCMAN: haha |
| 12:49.36 | George- | Wintre: depends what type of humour you have |
| 12:49.42 | George- | Wintre: I personally like it |
| 12:49.48 | George- | Wintre: quite a few people don't |
| 12:51.05 | phoen][x | oh the new oz is much better |
| 12:51.15 | phoen][x | much cleaner also |
| 12:52.25 | phoen][x | TCMAN: 392EUR is the cheapest for the hercules 9700 pro |
| 12:52.48 | phoen][x | the sapphire is 350EUR |
| 12:52.48 | TCMAN | phoen][x: darn, are other brands cheaper ? |
| 12:52.56 | TCMAN | phoen][x: where do you live ? |
| 12:53.30 | phoen][x | hannover/germany |
| 12:53.45 | phoen][x | 350 is the min-price. the gigabyte one is about 400EUR |
| 12:54.44 | George- | I WANT MY ADSL ROUTER TO ARRIVE |
| 12:54.49 | George- | I'm STUCK on 56k till it arrives |
| 12:55.10 | phoen][x | i got one, but i only use the access point :) |
| 12:55.33 | George- | phoen][x: wireless? |
| 12:55.49 | TheMasterMind1 | gnuboy is an emulator for what |
| 12:55.50 | TheMasterMind1 | gameboy? |
| 12:55.58 | George- | TheMasterMind1: yeh |
| 12:56.00 | TheMasterMind1 | gbc? gba? |
| 12:56.04 | TheMasterMind1 | does it does color? |
| 12:56.13 | George- | I think it's the original gb |
| 12:56.16 | George- | not sure about colour |
| 12:56.17 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 12:56.21 | George- | definitely not GBA |
| 12:56.25 | phoen][x | George-: yep |
| 12:56.44 | TheMasterMind1 | ah it does color |
| 12:56.45 | TheMasterMind1 | yay |
| 12:56.46 | George- | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/eric.rsoc/funny-advert.jpg |
| 12:56.47 | TheMasterMind1 | need roms now |
| 12:56.58 | George- | phoen][x: I have the LinkSys BEFW11S4 v.2 |
| 12:57.07 | TCMAN | i have seen gba sp at frys couple days ago, it looks sweet |
| 12:57.09 | George- | phoen][x: 4 port switch + router (non-functioning) + wireless ;) |
| 12:57.27 | TCMAN | now how can i buy it wihout my wife finding out ? :))) |
| 12:57.35 | phoen][x | i got the dlink di-614+ |
| 12:57.57 | phoen][x | 4 port switch, 22mbps AP, dsl router |
| 12:58.03 | phoen][x | 150EUR |
| 12:58.48 | George- | I only have 11Mbps |
| 12:58.51 | George- | But I hate DLink |
| 12:58.52 | George- | :) |
| 13:00.02 | TCMAN | i got lots of netgear stuff lately |
| 13:00.22 | TCMAN | but i use my firewall linux box as accesspoint |
| 13:00.49 | phoen][x | heh |
| 13:00.57 | TCMAN | hostap driver rocks |
| 13:01.04 | noidd | phoen][x: got a sec for a gentoo question? |
| 13:01.12 | noidd | (now that you outted yourself) :-D |
| 13:01.57 | George- | noidd: fire away, I know a little about Gentoo |
| 13:02.00 | phoen][x | feel free to ask |
| 13:02.22 | noidd | I need to patch a .c file in a package... emerge downloads, compiles, installs |
| 13:02.32 | noidd | I need to be able to do it in bits ... |
| 13:02.52 | George- | rewrite the ebuild? |
| 13:02.58 | phoen][x | no |
| 13:03.11 | phoen][x | use "ebuild foo.ebuild unpack" |
| 13:03.26 | phoen][x | go to /var/tmp/portage/<package>/work and patch the .c file |
| 13:03.36 | phoen][x | after that run "ebuild foo.ebuild qmerge" |
| 13:03.58 | noidd | thanks :-) |
| 13:04.04 | phoen][x | np |
| 13:04.54 | George- | obviously phoen][x knows what he's doing, unlike me ;) |
| 13:06.06 | TCMAN | phoen][x: i learn something new everyday |
| 13:06.24 | phoen][x | :) |
| 13:06.39 | phoen][x | cya guys later |
| 13:06.53 | noidd | later phoen][x, thanks for your help again |
| 13:07.00 | TCMAN | l8r |
| 13:10.04 | TheMasterMind1 | qtopiagnuboy is just a frontend? |
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| 13:11.32 | George- | I can't believe all the hype surrounding the most USELESS section of the computer market - the Tablet PC |
| 13:11.42 | George- | it's a f'ing oversized, overpriced PDA |
| 13:11.54 | noidd | indeed |
| 13:11.59 | noidd | whats the pattery life of those things? |
| 13:12.14 | George- | no idea |
| 13:12.18 | George- | but my laptop does 7 hours :) |
| 13:12.24 | George- | on full CPU speed |
| 13:12.27 | George- | mwahahaha |
| 13:13.02 | TCMAN | my tosh can do 6 - 7 hours with big ass battery underneath and no power saving :) |
| 13:13.32 | George- | haha |
| 13:13.52 | George- | I can get about 7-7.5 hours on this with normal battery and screen brightness on lowest and WiFi turned off |
| 13:14.10 | George- | 3.5 hours if playing MP3s, using WiFi constantly and backlight on full |
| 13:15.09 | TCMAN | i have 3000mah main battery, and 5600mah additional battery that attaches underneath |
| 13:15.25 | TCMAN | but it gets pretty heavy then :)) |
| 13:15.38 | George- | haha |
| 13:15.50 | George- | This is a 4000mAh Li-Ion |
| 13:16.03 | George- | only weighs 5 pounds in total :) |
| 13:16.25 | TCMAN | George-: what notebook do you have ? toshiba 3480ct here, 3.4lb :) |
| 13:16.52 | TCMAN | George-: but with additional battery its probably more than 5 :) |
| 13:17.26 | TCMAN | i need better battery for zaurus |
| 13:17.59 | TheMasterMind1 | what are the keys in gnuboy? |
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| 13:18.19 | George- | TCMAN: PowerBook G4 |
| 13:19.06 | TCMAN | George-: ahh, you are one of those guys :)))) |
| 13:19.36 | George- | TCMAN: runs linux too ;) |
| 13:19.56 | mithro | does anyone here develop java ON the zaurus? |
| 13:19.59 | TCMAN | George-: if you want to run linux on it how is that different from PC ? |
| 13:20.20 | George- | TCMAN: it's got a large screen, long battery life, blah blah blah |
| 13:20.34 | TCMAN | George-: linux just makes any hardware a linux hardware |
| 13:20.38 | George- | TCMAN: no CPU speedstep shit |
| 13:21.02 | Wintre | TCMAN: It's more expensive and slower ;) |
| 13:21.07 | TCMAN | George-: maybe i am too price sensitive, i got my tosh for $380 on ebay :))) |
| 13:21.31 | George- | Wintre: hrmm... it can compile KDE as fast as my athlon 2400+ :) |
| 13:21.53 | Wintre | Using which compilers? |
| 13:22.21 | George- | gcc 3.2 |
| 13:22.26 | Wintre | On both systems? |
| 13:22.28 | George- | yeh |
| 13:22.42 | Wintre | How fast is the CPU in the powerboo? |
| 13:22.47 | George- | Wintre: 667 ;) |
| 13:22.57 | George- | hrmm, maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration |
| 13:22.58 | Wintre | Have you actually timed it? |
| 13:23.05 | George- | Wintre: no |
| 13:23.07 | Wintre | Oh. |
| 13:23.18 | Wintre | Do try. |
| 13:23.22 | TCMAN | George-: my tosh is 600mhz, and i dont believe ppc has better ipc that p3 (buy that sounds geeky) |
| 13:23.27 | TCMAN | buy=boy |
| 13:23.31 | George- | ipc |
| 13:23.32 | George- | ??? |
| 13:23.45 | TCMAN | George-: instructions per clock |
| 13:23.58 | TCMAN | George-: basically amount of work done per clock |
| 13:23.58 | George- | I think it does |
| 13:24.22 | George- | I'm still waiting for the PowerPC 970 though |
| 13:24.38 | Wintre | Apple people tend to do a lot of waiting for the next generation, I've noticed |
| 13:24.59 | George- | I'll get a new laptop if/when Apple release a laptop based on the PowerPC 970 :) |
| 13:25.25 | TCMAN | i would get apple notebook for the looks but i am too cheap :) |
| 13:26.22 | George- | hehe |
| 13:26.24 | TCMAN | i saw mac os x in action couple times and it looks really slick |
| 13:26.33 | George- | TCMAN: I don't like it that much |
| 13:26.39 | George- | TCMAN: I prefer KDE |
| 13:26.43 | TCMAN | but then those animations would royally piss me off after half an hour |
| 13:27.06 | TCMAN | i still cannot stand winxp, this candy UI makes me puke |
| 13:27.15 | George- | TCMAN: it's not the animations that frustrate... it's the lack of virtual desktops |
| 13:27.16 | Wintre | Yeah. |
| 13:27.31 | George- | and other things |
| 13:28.03 | TCMAN | George-: gnome/gtk-thinice with green tint/icewm with aeteria scheme here |
| 13:29.08 | George- | TCMAN: I don't like GNOME that much |
| 13:30.20 | TCMAN | George-: i just went with gnome couple years ago when there was this big QT is not GPL war, and i just stayed like this |
| 13:30.50 | TCMAN | George-: i lately "upgraded" to gnome 2.2 from 1.4 and i still regret it |
| 13:32.02 | George- | TCMAN: hrmm |
| 13:32.08 | George- | TCMAN: it wasn't *big* |
| 13:32.09 | TCMAN | damn, its 5:33 am here :) |
| 13:32.15 | noidd | gtk2 is a pita |
| 13:32.16 | George- | TCMAN: just a bunch of people bitching about nothing |
| 13:32.19 | noidd | :-P |
| 13:32.46 | TCMAN | George-: but there I am, knowing gnome and little gtk programming :) |
| 13:32.54 | noidd | its a pita cos I have been putting off writing the documentation for it :-/ |
| 13:33.09 | noidd | and I need to JFDI |
| 13:33.31 | TCMAN | George-: and i need "how to stard developing for OZ" :) |
| 13:33.42 | George- | TCMAN: Qt is piss easy to develop in |
| 13:33.54 | TCMAN | stard = start, i need to go to sleep :) |
| 13:34.30 | TCMAN | George-: I looked at some code it looks easy enough, and i worked a little on one qt3 project at work |
| 13:35.02 | TCMAN | George-: this .moc stuff looks confusing, but i like .pro files and qmake |
| 13:35.28 | TCMAN | George-: still right now i dont know how to set up dev environment |
| 13:36.02 | TCMAN | George-: i imagine i need the compiler qte-2.3.4 and opie snapshot right ? |
| 13:36.31 | Wintre | TCMAN: You more or less don't have to worry about the MOC if you're using qmake |
| 13:36.46 | TCMAN | George-: can i develop app for qt2 and it would work in qt embedded ? |
| 13:37.12 | Wintre | TCMAN: Pretty much |
| 13:37.44 | TCMAN | Wintre: still it would be good to have some n00b developer howto |
| 13:38.12 | George- | TCMAN: go buy a good book |
| 13:38.14 | TCMAN | unless you guys dont need any help :)))) |
| 13:38.27 | TCMAN | i have qt book |
| 13:38.40 | Wintre | http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia/index.html |
| 13:38.48 | Wintre | Dalheimer's Qt book? |
| 13:39.01 | TCMAN | i just need info how to set up cross compiler, qt and opie so i can compile stuff |
| 13:39.20 | Wintre | And as well, http://doc.trolltech.com/3.1/how-to-learn-qt.html |
| 13:39.22 | Wintre | ibot howto |
| 13:39.23 | | from memory, howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
| 13:39.51 | TCMAN | Wintre: i dont know, i bought one qt and one gtk book for work, and ended up using only 1st chapter from gtk book and then online docs :)) |
| 13:39.53 | TCMAN | and glade |
| 13:40.32 | TCMAN | Wintre: bt qte is qt2 based, right ? |
| 13:40.36 | Wintre | Trolltech's doc team isn't very happy with the current state of Qt books |
| 13:40.57 | Wintre | Qt/Embedded is one of the platforms released with every release of Qt |
| 13:41.06 | Wintre | So there's Qt/E 3.1.2 |
| 13:41.18 | Wintre | However, Qtopia uses Qt/Embedded 2.3.4 |
| 13:41.49 | Wintre | I'm not strictly sure why Greg and the guys haven't ported Qtopia up to Qt/E 3.1.x - presumably due to compatibility issues |
| 13:41.55 | TCMAN | Wintre: ok, so i just emerged qt 2.3.2 on my gentoo |
| 13:42.13 | Wintre | 2.3.2? 2.3.4 is out |
| 13:42.30 | TCMAN | Wintre: so if i start coding something for it it should be easily ported to qte 2.3.4 ? |
| 13:42.44 | George- | Wintre: 2.3.2 is the latest Qt/X11 |
| 13:42.46 | TCMAN | Wintre: gentoo doesnt seem to track 2.x anymore |
| 13:42.52 | George- | Wintre: 2.3.4 is only Qt/E iirc |
| 13:43.42 | Wintre | George: Yes, that had slipped my mind. We're not developing Qt 2.x except in Qt/E |
| 13:43.45 | TCMAN | can opie be compiled to work on desktop ? |
| 13:43.57 | Wintre | I suppose the Gentoo guys aren't building qt/e only packages |
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| 13:44.18 | TCMAN | Wintre: nope they dont |
| 13:45.18 | Wintre | There won't be any more general 2.3.x releases, and I think you'll find that Qtopia at least is going to require that you download Qt/E 2.3.4 yourself |
| 13:46.23 | TCMAN | Wintre: ok, i already got it, qt-embedded-2.3.4.tar.gz |
| 13:46.52 | George- | any psion fans here? |
| 13:47.05 | George- | can a psion 5 be used as a VT100 terminal via RS-232 (I think it can) |
| 13:48.50 | TCMAN | cu guys |
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| 16:04.22 | Shayde | lo folks |
| 16:07.19 | Shayde | hmm how much are folks paying for cf cards? say 256meg |
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| 16:10.12 | yeiazel | 150 EUR in France, a 256 MB CF |
| 16:10.28 | Shayde | yello |
| 16:10.39 | phoen][x | oz3.2 is much nicer |
| 16:10.45 | yeiazel | phoen][x: hehe :) |
| 16:11.16 | Shayde | im getting ready to jump to oz. still on sharps rom :( |
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| 16:17.47 | [George] | Shayde: I paid 75 GBP (about 110 USD?) for a 160MB card (SanDisk) about 4 years ago |
| 16:18.06 | [George] | ibot change 75 GBP to USD |
| 16:19.09 | phoen][x | wb geordieboozer |
| 16:19.13 | phoen][x | argh |
| 16:19.18 | phoen][x | wb [George] even |
| 16:19.49 | [George] | wtf |
| 16:19.50 | [George] | lol |
| 16:26.37 | zoid | Shayde: i personally wouldn't get a cf card for storage |
| 16:27.02 | zoid | just in case later on you wanna add wireless, bluetooth, or something else which requires a cf slot |
| 16:27.17 | zoid | if i were you i'd check out SD cards instead |
| 16:27.26 | zoid | but that's just my opinion :) |
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| 16:45.41 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have qtjim ipk? |
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| 17:22.11 | | i haven't seen 'tcme', George- |
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| 17:38.04 | MacGyver | who are play mame emu ? |
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| 17:49.19 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have qtjim ipk? |
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| 17:59.57 | yeiazel | why ? |
| 18:00.58 | ChrisH | yeiazel: Not that I love the PPCs but when I compare the basic Z PIMs it's a quantum leap. IMHO the Z is great when I had the time to develop applications but for just using it in the first step it's too undeveloped. |
| 18:01.40 | ChrisH | yeiazel: I don't mean to blame the architecture or the platform or Qt or whatever. I merely blame Sharp for releasing a developers tool. I like to hack around with it. But I also need a PIM for the business world. |
| 18:01.50 | yeiazel | :) |
| 18:02.04 | yeiazel | my question was: what is lacking in the pim apps ? |
| 18:02.24 | kergoth | i still want todos that have the due date in the calandar |
| 18:02.47 | kergoth | and todos and subtodos like iqnotes |
| 18:02.48 | kergoth | heh |
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| 18:03.08 | ChrisH | yeiazel: I don't get any overview. The day/week/month overviews are a little clumsy. So it the todo app. |
| 18:04.00 | yeiazel | okay |
| 18:04.07 | ChrisH | yeiazel: The PocketPC has so many flaws. The biggest is it's origin (M$). But the applications are great. |
| 18:04.22 | yeiazel | I probably use the PIM apps at a lesser level than you :) |
| 18:04.27 | ChrisH | yeiazel: Not a good argument I suppose. I should supporting the development of applications, shouldn't I? :) |
| 18:06.49 | ChrisH | yeiazel: The PIM stuff in OZ looks a little advanced compared to the Sharp ROM. I'm ashamed to blame the Z because Linux is the only hope of the world. If only I had a developer in range to kick me to spend more time. |
| 18:07.06 | yeiazel | hehe :) |
| 18:07.48 | ChrisH | yeiazel: What is your main usage of the Z? Development? Hacking? Being cool? :) |
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| 18:08.43 | yeiazel | listening to oggs :) |
| 18:08.51 | yeiazel | and little use of the pim apps |
| 18:09.31 | jespah | How well does mame run on zaurus? |
| 18:10.17 | MacGyver | yeiazel are you play game ? |
| 18:10.26 | MacGyver | yes |
| 18:10.36 | MacGyver | my c700 can't run zmame ........ |
| 18:10.38 | yeiazel | I play games, yes |
| 18:10.38 | MacGyver | >_< |
| 18:11.00 | yeiazel | mainly the ones using scumm |
| 18:11.08 | MacGyver | what game? |
| 18:11.27 | MacGyver | i am on consle type |
| 18:11.31 | yeiazel | I've finished monkey island 1, playing monkey 2 for the moment |
| 18:11.50 | MacGyver | ./zmamefull -rr . -rp xxxx.rom |
| 18:11.51 | jespah | yeiazel: What platform is that made for? |
| 18:12.13 | MacGyver | it just show display size: 480 x 640 |
| 18:12.18 | MacGyver | xxxxxxxxxxx:xxxxxxxxxxxx ok |
| 18:12.22 | yeiazel | any platform having scumm |
| 18:12.23 | MacGyver | and leave |
| 18:12.27 | yeiazel | atari, amiga, ibm pc... |
| 18:12.38 | jespah | I meant, what was it made for origianlly? |
| 18:12.58 | yeiazel | that's what I just said |
| 18:13.16 | omoore | just installed OZ for first time last night... |
| 18:13.20 | omoore | have a question.... |
| 18:14.05 | omoore | can i have all software installed to "ram" some how? and leave "/" empty? |
| 18:14.25 | omoore | i want to leave / for pure data... |
| 18:14.59 | omoore | but when (forexample) i choose the 48/24 split.. it seem s that alot of the data is used up rigth from the start, and ram is almost empty |
| 18:15.06 | yeiazel | yea |
| 18:15.18 | yeiazel | many files have to stay in / |
| 18:15.46 | kergoth | uh |
| 18:15.47 | omoore | but 48/24 seems to be such a waste of memory |
| 18:15.54 | kergoth | what are you talking about? |
| 18:15.58 | omoore | well... |
| 18:16.01 | kergoth | 24mb ramdisk |
| 18:16.20 | omoore | no .. in OZ.. i choose the 48/24 zImage for the flash... |
| 18:16.21 | kergoth | its empty |
| 18:16.23 | kergoth | yes |
| 18:16.25 | kergoth | 48/24 is 24mb ramdisk |
| 18:16.27 | kergoth | 48 mb ram |
| 18:16.29 | omoore | er.. when flashing the os... |
| 18:16.31 | kergoth | sharp is 32mb ramdisk |
| 18:16.34 | kergoth | 32mb ram |
| 18:16.35 | phoen][x | kergoth: you are the man! |
| 18:16.44 | phoen][x | sorry, had to say that :) |
| 18:16.47 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:16.48 | yeiazel | kergoth ? a man ? |
| 18:16.52 | omoore | right... but on the sharp rom... you have 32mb's for data |
| 18:16.55 | kergoth | ~lart yeiazel |
| 18:16.57 | yeiazel | isn't kergoth a cyborg ? |
| 18:17.00 | omoore | when you flash... |
| 18:17.02 | kergoth | omoore: you have 32mb of ramdisk. |
| 18:17.07 | MacGyver | i very want os for c700.... |
| 18:17.10 | kergoth | omoore: in oz, you flashed 48/24, so you only have 24 mb of ramdisk |
| 18:17.11 | omoore | kergoth: i understand that.. but... |
| 18:17.12 | phoen][x | kergoth: i'm really impressed with 3.2. keep up the good work. |
| 18:17.15 | kergoth | omoore: but what? |
| 18:17.30 | omoore | when i freshly flash the rom with the 48/24... |
| 18:17.59 | kergoth | .. |
| 18:18.09 | omoore | i only start out with 2.572mb availabe space left |
| 18:18.16 | kergoth | in flash! |
| 18:18.23 | kergoth | in sharp |
| 18:18.24 | omoore | oh.. wait.. |
| 18:18.26 | kergoth | you have 0mb free in falsh |
| 18:18.30 | kergoth | because its not writable |
| 18:18.35 | kergoth | you have 24mb free in ramdisk |
| 18:18.45 | omoore | i see now... |
| 18:18.50 | chouimat | kergoth: anything new beside 3.2? |
| 18:18.57 | kergoth | not realy |
| 18:19.05 | omoore | ok.. so in the 'Storage' panel of sysinfo.. |
| 18:19.06 | kergoth | going to do some kernel development shortly |
| 18:19.14 | omoore | 'Internal Storage' is the rom? |
| 18:19.27 | omoore | 'Internal Memory' is the data |
| 18:19.40 | kergoth | s/data/ramdisk/ |
| 18:19.41 | kergoth | yes |
| 18:19.48 | omoore | and RAM is not shown |
| 18:19.49 | kergoth | the -storage- tab doesnt show _ram_ |
| 18:19.54 | kergoth | becaues ram isnt STORAGE! |
| 18:19.56 | yeiazel | :) |
| 18:19.57 | kergoth | its RAM |
| 18:19.58 | omoore | right |
| 18:20.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:20.06 | yeiazel | round 1 |
| 18:20.06 | omoore | ok.. well i was used to the Sharm ROM |
| 18:20.07 | yeiazel | FIGHT ! |
| 18:20.22 | omoore | ok... so when i install software... |
| 18:20.26 | kergoth | omoore: yes, which is why there are docs on how the filesystem layout and partiioning works |
| 18:20.29 | kergoth | omoore: on openzaurus.org |
| 18:20.35 | kergoth | which you apparently didnt bother to read |
| 18:20.52 | kergoth | when you install an app, you can choose to install to root, ram(disk), cf, or sd |
| 18:20.53 | omoore | kergoth: hey give me some credit.. i did the install on my own last night |
| 18:20.59 | omoore | kergoth: i did read the install guide |
| 18:21.30 | omoore | kergoth: chill out man... i'm just new to OZ.. don't blow a gasket man |
| 18:22.03 | yeiazel | new or not, you should learn to read docs |
| 18:22.08 | kergoth | omoore: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=12 |
| 18:22.10 | omoore | i do |
| 18:22.11 | phoen][x | kergoth: dont want to annoy you, but do you still think about making oz !root? |
| 18:22.14 | kergoth | "Why does sysinfo only show 2 megs free of internal storage?" |
| 18:22.17 | kergoth | faq #12 |
| 18:22.25 | kergoth | phoen][x: yes, it'll happen for the next release |
| 18:22.58 | phoen][x | kergoth: kk :) |
| 18:23.01 | kergoth | along with a large number of major changes that were postponed due to the immenent release |
| 18:23.13 | kergoth | i.e. simpleinit instead of sysvinit, kernel changes, etc |
| 18:30.20 | phoen][x | kergoth: SD? |
| 18:30.37 | kergoth | yeah yeah, people can ask now that it released.. i forgot about that |
| 18:30.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:30.41 | ChrisH | Are there any ready-to-use language packs for OZ? I noticed that there is a way to switch. But by now there is only "English" to choose from. |
| 18:30.44 | kergoth | i havent made a decision on that yet though |
| 18:30.51 | kergoth | ChrisH: yes, they're all in the feeds |
| 18:31.02 | ChrisH | kergoth: I must have overlooked them. |
| 18:31.04 | phoen][x | kergoth: would you be willing enough to continue without SD support? |
| 18:31.10 | kergoth | /usr/src/corgi/output/ipks$ ls -l *i18n*|wc -l |
| 18:31.10 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.15 | kergoth | ChrisH: opie-i18n-* |
| 18:31.29 | ChrisH | kergoth: Ah! Thanks... |
| 18:31.52 | kergoth | phoen][x: no, i'm not going to leave those users out in the cold. absolute worst case the next release you'll have to choose between 2.4.19 w/o sd and 2.4.6 w/. but i dont want that to be the case. |
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| 18:32.50 | phoen][x | kergoth: thanks. i feared the worst, but it would be quite pointless to continue with 50% of the media not working |
| 18:34.00 | kergoth | yep |
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| 18:43.52 | George- | BLOODY POWERBOOK |
| 18:44.29 | chouimat | George-: Hyvää p |
| 18:44.39 | chouimat | George-: Hyvää päivää |
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| 18:52.37 | zoid | anyone know how to setup an OS X system to cross compile for the zaurus? |
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| 18:57.54 | MacGyver | who have zic ? |
| 19:02.23 | zoid | zic? |
| 19:03.31 | MacGyver | zaurus irc client |
| 19:07.19 | fishy | !explain killefiz |
| 19:07.22 | fishy | hmm |
| 19:07.25 | fishy | lf |
| 19:07.37 | fishy | ~killefiz |
| 19:07.38 | | methinks killefiz is the guy running the zsi (zaurus software index) at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ you can email him: mailto:zaurus@killefiz.de |
| 19:34.13 | omoore | any recommendations on a recording app for OZ that is more similar to Sharp's recorder app... don't really care for vmemo |
| 19:39.05 | fliplap | is there a small gcc ipkg? |
| 19:39.19 | fliplap | just to compile simple command line programs on the zaurus? |
| 19:43.21 | noidd | ibox, explain karma sharp |
| 19:43.29 | noidd | ibot, explain karma sharp |
| 19:47.04 | noidd | usb-storage: Attempting to get CSW... |
| 19:47.16 | noidd | Well, if I've got a CSW, everything must be working fine :-P |
| 19:59.28 | fliplap | what about a simple IDE? |
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| 20:17.27 | George- | ibot change 2900 GBP to USD |
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| 20:22.57 | Zarchon_Desktop | Has anyone managed to get opie-remote to work? |
| 20:23.11 | Zarchon_Desktop | every time I fire it up, it tells me it can't connect to the socket. |
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| 20:27.28 | jespah | is there any tv remote program for zaurus? |
| 20:28.11 | Zarchon_Desktop | yes, it's opie-remote |
| 20:28.17 | Zarchon_Desktop | which I'm trying to make work now. |
| 20:29.15 | mutexer | I had to be close to the VCR I used it on... the IR port doesnt seem to be too strong |
| 20:30.25 | Zarchon_Desktop | Do you get the cannot connect to socket error? |
| 20:30.31 | Zarchon_Desktop | when you start it? |
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| 20:36.11 | Gordo | Does anyone know how to uninstall the USB drivers? I can't seem to get my Z to sync. |
| 20:36.56 | Gordo | My Z doesn't show up in my device manager. |
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| 21:03.18 | ChrisH | Maybe a stupid question... but can't I just use most of the OZ packages in the feed with the Sharp ROM? |
| 21:03.37 | Shayde | no, there are dependencies. |
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| 21:04.02 | Gordo | Hey can you guys help me out? |
| 21:04.39 | ChrisH | Shayde: Hmmm... I just tried OZ 3.2 - it looked a little unstable and couldn't sync with my Windows desktop at all. Maybe I need to set up a few more things. |
| 21:04.56 | Shayde | i actually havn't gone to 3.2 yet. :) |
| 21:05.01 | Shayde | Gordo: depends. ask. |
| 21:05.10 | Gordo | I can't get my Z to sync at all |
| 21:05.34 | Gordo | I think i need to reinstall the drivers |
| 21:05.58 | Gordo | but my Z doesn't show up in my device manager so I can't delete the old ones |
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| 21:07.15 | Shayde | sounds like you're hosed on the desktop side. |
| 21:07.29 | Shayde | if it doesn't link up when you dock into your cradle, your USB drivers are hosed. |
| 21:07.35 | Gordo | any suggestions as to what I should do? |
| 21:08.19 | Gordo | it was syncing fine at first, then I switched to OZ and had problems, and I guess I screwed something up at one point |
| 21:08.45 | Shayde | hm. nope, sorry, my experience with desktop work is pretty limited, and none with OZ directly. |
| 21:09.25 | Gordo | I really wish I stayed with the Sharp Rom |
| 21:09.34 | Gordo | I have a useless Z now |
| 21:09.42 | devusb | Gordo: just go back to the sharp rom.. |
| 21:09.55 | Gordo | I can't sync up at all |
| 21:09.56 | Gordo | or I would |
| 21:10.05 | kergoth | eh |
| 21:10.11 | Gordo | howdy there kergoth |
| 21:10.19 | kergoth | your problem has nothing to do with OZ. |
| 21:10.24 | Gordo | yeah I know |
| 21:10.25 | kergoth | as shayde says, its a desktop side problem |
| 21:10.27 | Gordo | it is on my computer |
| 21:10.36 | Gordo | I just need to figure out what to do to fix that problem |
| 21:10.42 | Gordo | and I'm a moron |
| 21:11.09 | Shayde | hey kergoth. |
| 21:11.33 | George- | kergoth: hey |
| 21:11.43 | George- | kergoth: laptop is going back tomorrow :( |
| 21:11.56 | kergoth | ack, why? |
| 21:12.05 | George- | kergoth: oh.. more bloody problems |
| 21:12.11 | kergoth | fun |
| 21:12.32 | George- | kergoth: CD jammed in drive for the fourth time (decided it was enough), battery still only 20 minutes, hinges weren't replaced last time around |
| 21:12.41 | George- | kergoth: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/eric.rsoc |
| 21:12.42 | kergoth | bleh, what a mess |
| 21:12.48 | George- | kergoth: It's very very annoying |
| 21:12.56 | George- | kergoth: I bet it'll come back with yet another defect |
| 21:13.59 | George- | kergoth: I managed to get the third CD ejected by taking the entire PB apart, and suspending the drive in my hands downwards, powering up the machine with no case on and hitting the eject key |
| 21:14.15 | George- | kergoth: but I don't particularly want to do that every time a CD gets jammed due to a fault in the drive |
| 21:14.56 | Shayde | jeez, what sort of laptop is this? |
| 21:15.10 | George- | Shayde: PowerBook G4 |
| 21:15.22 | George- | it literally spat the CD out |
| 21:15.30 | George- | it sorta flew out |
| 21:15.51 | Shayde | yikes. |
| 21:16.12 | George- | perhaps it's the way it says "I HATE OS/2 WARP 3!!" |
| 21:16.13 | George- | ;) |
| 21:16.19 | George- | twas an OS/2 Warp 3 CD |
| 21:16.50 | George- | Shayde: I'm not too happy |
| 21:17.10 | Shayde | i can see why :) |
| 21:17.38 | George- | of course, I'm not telling apple I dismantled the whole thing and suspended the drive whilst it was switched on ;) |
| 21:19.18 | Shayde | i won't tell :) |
| 21:19.28 | Gordo | I will :) |
| 21:20.06 | George- | Gordo: get stuffed ;) |
| 21:20.09 | Gordo | haha |
| 21:20.27 | George- | http://ouray.cudenver.edu/~rjhollin/images/pb17.jpg |
| 21:20.34 | George- | That's what I want to compensate me!! |
| 21:20.39 | Gordo | wow that is nice |
| 21:20.44 | George- | I want all the h/w in that picture!" |
| 21:21.16 | George- | iPod, PBG4 17", Creative Labs "Creature" speakers, Apple White Mouse, |
| 21:22.01 | Shayde | interesting. |
| 21:22.05 | Shayde | cept its a mac. : |
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| 21:25.20 | George- | Gordo: you said it in one sentence - it's useless, but people seem to love it! :) |
| 21:25.20 | Gordo | should I delete the USB drivers? |
| 21:25.31 | Gordo | I loved it before it stopped syncing |
| 21:26.15 | Gordo | would it hurt to delete the usb drivers, reboot, and let them install again? |
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| 21:26.24 | Gordo | then plug it back in and pray? |
| 21:28.21 | Gordo | anyone? |
| 21:31.44 | Locutus4242 | Pray? You must be talking about keeping a Microsoft system running. ;/ |
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| 21:33.28 | Locutus4242 | I heard of USB problems with MS Windows from a friend. It would lose the device and he'd have to reboot Windows. Sync works fine on Linux so it's likely a Windows issue. |
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| 21:39.57 | ChrisH | How come a lot of OZ feed packages depend on qpe-base? Isn't qpe-base just a pseudo-package? If so - where can I find it? |
| 21:43.05 | kergoth | ChrisH: you're using an old oz version, i'd say. |
| 21:43.16 | ChrisH | kergoth: 3.2 old enough? :) |
| 21:43.19 | kergoth | task-opie-minimal Provides qpe-base |
| 21:43.22 | kergoth | and ipkg obeys Provides. |
| 21:44.09 | ChrisH | kergoth: task-opie-minial? Interesting... |
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| 21:44.35 | kergoth | yes, and task-opie-minimal is installed in the image |
| 21:44.45 | kergoth | cat /usr/lib/ipkg/info/task-opie-minimal.control|grep Provides |
| 21:45.21 | ChrisH | kergoth: Didn't seem to be installed with the 3.2 image I just freshly installed. |
| 21:46.07 | ChrisH | kergoth: Damn... even task-opie-minimal has unresolved dependencies. |
| 21:46.24 | kergoth | its in the image. |
| 21:46.33 | kergoth | I have the image in front of me, I built it. |
| 21:47.34 | noidd | hmm, this is lovely |
| 21:47.38 | ChrisH | kergoth: Okay... I'll reinstall. |
| 21:48.28 | noidd | 3.2 is joyous |
| 21:49.09 | noidd | hey kergoth, ssh hates me. |
| 21:49.12 | noidd | # ssh |
| 21:49.12 | noidd | You don't exist, go away! |
| 21:49.22 | kergoth | hey fun |
| 21:51.11 | George- | lol |
| 21:51.35 | Wintre | uid missing from /etc/passwd I guess |
| 21:51.46 | ChrisH | kergoth: Very nice work. OZ is really lovely. If there was only the Sharp ROM I had probably sent the Z back. |
| 21:51.53 | noidd | yeah - thats what I thought |
| 21:52.04 | noidd | its on a mini-linux i'm building |
| 21:52.11 | omoore | dam.. i *really* want to use OZ for a project... but only problem is this... |
| 21:52.17 | noidd | so far it consists of grub, kernel and busybox |
| 21:52.17 | George- | ChrisH: Stop sucking up to kergoth! He's there to be abused! :) |
| 21:52.40 | omoore | the voice memo app for OZ sucks big time compared to the voice recorder app on the Sharp ROM... |
| 21:52.43 | mark | George-: why arent u at school |
| 21:52.50 | George- | mark: holiday |
| 21:52.53 | mark | early |
| 21:52.59 | noidd | and what I thought was a pukka version of sshd - obviously not put in enough --without-* flags behind configure |
| 21:52.59 | George- | have been since thursday |
| 21:53.21 | kurre | uh, has anyone any idea what has happened to sharp-camera-support ipkg ? I couldn't find it from any of the feeds anymore ... |
| 21:53.23 | Shayde | i wonder how many people miss the BIG NOTICE ON ZSI that says "NO SUPPORT QUESTIONS" ?! |
| 21:53.24 | omoore | is can the voice recorder app from the Sharp ROM be run under OZ |
| 21:53.26 | noidd | omoore: patches welcome :-) |
| 21:53.32 | Shayde | at least 2 a day we get. |
| 21:53.44 | omoore | noidd: i don't know c/c++ |
| 21:53.52 | omoore | noidd: or i would :) |
| 21:54.50 | omoore | any other voice recorder apps for the oz other than vmemo? |
| 21:55.26 | George- | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=966 |
| 21:55.28 | George- | WTF IS THAT |
| 21:56.14 | Shayde | holy shit. |
| 21:56.15 | warmi | someone from Russia couldn't hold himself/herself from poking some fun at Bush |
| 21:56.27 | Shayde | yippee. |
| 21:56.30 | warmi | it is a Power Point presentation |
| 21:56.31 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:56.32 | Shayde | i'll pull it. |
| 21:56.56 | noidd | lets see it first ;-) |
| 21:57.22 | omoore | oh god.. that link is very scarry |
| 21:57.30 | omoore | :) |
| 21:57.46 | Shayde | i poked sven... i lost the admin pw on zsi, and changing it on zsi2 isn't gonna help much :) |
| 21:57.55 | noidd | bah, its been pulled |
| 21:57.57 | George- | lol |
| 21:57.58 | noidd | that sucks |
| 21:58.25 | mark | warmi: finished repton yet? :) |
| 21:58.30 | George- | http://zaurus.188alert.com/download/ |
| 21:58.31 | warmi | no, it hasn't |
| 21:58.55 | warmi | mark: I haven't done anything in the last couple of weeks :-) |
| 21:58.59 | noidd | which one - Bush_ppc? |
| 21:58.59 | warmi | been watching war and stuff |
| 21:59.06 | warmi | http://zaurus.188alert.com/download/Bush_ppc.ppt |
| 21:59.14 | warmi | if you have IE then you can watch it in your browser |
| 22:00.19 | warmi | basically bunch of half-naked models with bush face |
| 22:00.20 | George- | now someone needs to do it for Saddam ;) |
| 22:00.25 | George- | lol |
| 22:00.31 | warmi | mark: what Are you working on these days ? |
| 22:00.35 | warmi | anything Z related ? |
| 22:00.42 | Shayde | ew. |
| 22:00.57 | George- | http://www.examiner.com/ex_files/default.jsp?story=X1105BUSHGIRLw |
| 22:01.56 | mark | warmi: nah, did a bit of work on slicker, but trying to concentrate on school work now |
| 22:02.08 | warmi | school work ? what's that |
| 22:02.09 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:02.11 | warmi | j/k |
| 22:02.30 | mark | warmi: i know, thats my problem, i'm constantly being told i'm 'underperformming' |
| 22:03.09 | warmi | nah .. that's just motivational talk |
| 22:03.09 | warmi | heh |
| 22:03.27 | mark | warmi: i hope its true :) |
| 22:04.07 | George- | YUCK |
| 22:04.22 | warmi | well, unless you are some sort of friggin genius your parents and people around you will always say that you could do better than that etc .. |
| 22:04.32 | George- | I'm a genius.. |
| 22:04.44 | warmi | at least I remember it that way from when I was at school |
| 22:04.50 | warmi | 10 years ago :-) |
| 22:05.18 | mark | warmi: heh |
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| 22:05.52 | warmi | mark: trust me .. 10 years will fly by very fast |
| 22:06.10 | warmi | I have this impression that the older you get it seems that time flies much faster |
| 22:06.17 | Wintre | Sounds right |
| 22:07.16 | George- | warmi: that's really weird.. my dad said those EXACT words to me only yesterday |
| 22:07.34 | mark | warmi: hmm, |
| 22:07.52 | ChrisH | kergoth: I have just reinstalled 3.2 (can I verify the version number somewhere?) and still don't find the qpe-base package. |
| 22:09.30 | warmi | George: yeah ... how old is your dad ? |
| 22:11.36 | BillBrasky | Does OZ do stepping downf or wireless speed? |
| 22:12.54 | George- | warmi: quite old |
| 22:13.32 | Shayde | okay, that idiotic bush app is toast. |
| 22:13.43 | George- | Shayde: haha |
| 22:13.58 | Shayde | feels good to do that. :) |
| 22:14.27 | Shayde | huh. it never replicated to zsi2. i wonder if someone just posted it today. |
| 22:16.38 | br33zy | whats the zauruszone feed? |
| 22:16.43 | br33zy | zauruszone.com/feed? |
| 22:17.00 | br33zy | nm |
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| 22:40.10 | Gordo | I'm going insane |
| 22:40.36 | rev|z | yo |
| 22:41.10 | Gordo | doesn't matter what I do, this will not sync |
| 22:41.19 | rev|z | usb over Ethernet rules |
| 22:41.40 | Gordo | I've reinstalled my USB drivers for windows, uninstalled my Z drivers, reinstalled them |
| 22:41.41 | Gordo | nothing |
| 22:41.43 | Gordo | will not sync |
| 22:43.01 | rev|z | :/ |
| 22:43.01 | BillBrasky | wireless sync is worth it |
| 22:43.19 | Pendalar | just more or did we skip 3.1 final ^_^ |
| 22:43.24 | Pendalar | s/more/me |
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| 22:44.21 | [George] | re |
| 22:44.24 | Gordo | I wish I could go back in time and never install OZ |
| 22:44.51 | Pendalar | must be doing something wrong |
| 22:44.56 | Pendalar | most people love it |
| 22:45.04 | Gordo | thats what i hear! |
| 22:45.13 | Gordo | but ever since I installed it, I can't sync with windows |
| 22:45.28 | rev|z | anyone know if one can get more than one window in opera on the Z? |
| 22:45.32 | Gordo | people say it is something wrong with windows |
| 22:45.38 | Gordo | but I can't figure it out |
| 22:45.52 | Pendalar | then your ip for the zaurus in windows networking is off |
| 22:45.59 | Pendalar | or you don't have it set right on the zaurus side |
| 22:46.12 | Gordo | no I can't even get it to set up as a network now |
| 22:46.20 | Gordo | something is totally screwed |
| 22:46.27 | [George] | Gordo: for gods sake, just put the sharp rom on there |
| 22:46.39 | Gordo | George, I can't do it, because I can't sync |
| 22:46.44 | Gordo | I don't have a card reader for my pc |
| 22:46.55 | Pendalar | but really you don't need qtopia desktop.. just use something like sftp |
| 22:47.04 | Pendalar | or mount a remote FS |
| 22:47.09 | warmi | Shayde: what happened to that Bush app ? |
| 22:47.30 | Pendalar | or anything besides that crap |
| 22:47.53 | Gordo | if anyone can solve this problem for me, I will mail my girlfriend to you. |
| 22:48.19 | Pendalar | no thanks, any man who thinks he can handle all the obligations of 2 woman is freakin nuts |
| 22:48.22 | warmi | Gordo: hehehe |
| 22:48.31 | Gordo | haha |
| 22:48.32 | Pendalar | cya guys after I work 2 more days |
| 22:49.08 | Gordo | I've done everything I can do, my PC will not recognize my Z |
| 22:49.09 | Gordo | at all |
| 22:49.10 | warmi | Gordo: can't you just flash it back to Sharp RoM ? |
| 22:49.32 | [George] | Gordo: do yourself a favour and get a CF reader |
| 22:50.00 | warmi | well, I would rather get a CF network card |
| 22:50.19 | warmi | much better for synching/moving stuff around than USB |
| 22:51.04 | Gordo | something has to be wrong |
| 22:51.14 | Gordo | hmmmfff |
| 22:53.28 | Gordo | I'm crying |
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| 22:54.18 | rev|z | oops... |
| 22:54.59 | rev|z | anyone see my opera Z q? |
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| 23:04.21 | George- | hi |
| 23:04.38 | Gordo | hi |
| 23:06.36 | Gordo | help me get this working :) |
| 23:06.46 | George- | what? |
| 23:08.41 | Gordo | my Z sync problem |
| 23:09.02 | George- | yeh, what's the problem |
| 23:09.14 | Gordo | it won't sync |
| 23:09.21 | George- | ffs, give some INFO |
| 23:09.25 | Gordo | haha |
| 23:09.36 | Gordo | Well I'm running XP, and OZ on my Z |
| 23:09.43 | George- | which OZ? |
| 23:10.15 | Gordo | which one was the last release? |
| 23:10.20 | George- | 3.2 |
| 23:10.22 | _Psycho | 3.2 |
| 23:10.25 | George- | go into sysinfo |
| 23:10.43 | George- | Gordo: tried reinstalling the drivers at the WinXP end? |
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| 23:11.00 | Gordo | yes |
| 23:11.09 | Gordo | both USB and Z drivers |
| 23:11.12 | George- | Gordo: and on the Z, when you've hit the sync button, go into the terminal, and type "ifconfig -a" |
| 23:11.32 | George- | Gordo: and on the WinXP side, go into the dos terminal, and type ipconfig /p |
| 23:11.34 | George- | er.. |
| 23:11.41 | George- | ipconfig /a |
| 23:11.44 | George- | and tell me the results |
| 23:11.49 | Gordo | I can't even get my PC to recognize my z at this point |
| 23:12.00 | George- | be sure to hit the sync button first |
| 23:13.40 | rev|z | me? |
| 23:13.47 | rev|z | hrmm |
| 23:14.02 | Gordo | George- : on my Z "ipconfig: No Such file or direcory" |
| 23:14.14 | George- | Gordo: on the Z, type ifconfig -a |
| 23:14.19 | rev|z | nooo good |
| 23:14.21 | George- | Gordo: ipconfig /a is on WinXP |
| 23:14.38 | Gordo | ah |
| 23:15.58 | Gordo | you want me to type everything it came back with or is there something I'm looking for? |
| 23:17.24 | George- | is there an interface usbd0 on the Z? |
| 23:17.29 | George- | (or usb0 or something like that) |
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| 23:18.15 | Gordo | nope |
| 23:18.53 | George- | Gordo: is your USB fried? |
| 23:19.00 | George- | Gordo: tried switching bus? |
| 23:19.07 | Gordo | all my other USB devices work fine |
| 23:19.24 | George- | on the same USB port? |
| 23:19.34 | Gordo | yes my port is fine |
| 23:19.40 | ChrisH | Hmmm... the IP address is configured but I still can't ping the OZ3.2-Z from Windows. |
| 23:20.52 | Gordo | Something is up though, doesn't matter what USB port I plug it into, it will not recognize it |
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| 23:24.27 | Gordo | :( |
| 23:25.54 | George- | ChrisH: do you have the same trouble as Gordo? |
| 23:26.17 | George- | Gordo: does it work in Linux? |
| 23:26.34 | Gordo | I don't run linux |
| 23:26.44 | George- | that's a fine lot of help, that is :) |
| 23:26.50 | George- | GET LINUX |
| 23:26.51 | George- | lol |
| 23:27.05 | _Psycho | gordo you tried to ping your Z ? |
| 23:27.07 | Gordo | linux does me no good, I use way to much windoze software |
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| 23:27.19 | Gordo | _Pyscho, my computer doesn't recognize my Z at all |
| 23:27.20 | George- | this is what we call forcibly converting |
| 23:27.49 | Gordo | I will make a deal with you, help me through this shit and I will |
| 23:27.50 | _Psycho | like get the IP address from the Z (ipconfig -a), open a command prompt in windows xp then ping the adresse of your Z |
| 23:28.04 | George- | Gordo: hang on |
| 23:28.10 | _Psycho | hmm |
| 23:28.13 | Gordo | _Psyco, you don't understand, my computer will do nothing with my z |
| 23:28.26 | Gordo | that is what we are trying to get around |
| 23:28.41 | _Psycho | i understand dont worry ;) |
| 23:28.43 | ChrisH | George-: Looks like it. At least I can see my usbd0 interface. |
| 23:28.58 | George- | I'm thoroughly confused |
| 23:29.09 | George- | Gordo: so usb0 didn't exist on the Z? |
| 23:29.24 | Gordo | not win i did ifconfig -a |
| 23:29.28 | Gordo | showed up no where |
| 23:29.34 | George- | and on winxp? |
| 23:29.37 | George- | with ipconfig /a? |
| 23:29.39 | ChrisH | George-: Security is set to "Any". IP address is configured. Win2k can ping with the Sharp ROM but not with OZ. ifconfig -a shows the IP alright. |
| 23:29.57 | George- | ChrisH: is the network interface up? |
| 23:30.02 | George- | "ifconfig usb0 up" |
| 23:30.09 | ChrisH | George-: Yes. Up and running. |
| 23:30.17 | George- | and on Windows? |
| 23:31.17 | ChrisH | George-: Windows seems to bring up a second LAN interface when the Z connects. This doesn't happen with OZ. |
| 23:31.32 | George- | ChrisH: there's no extra lan connection with OZ? |
| 23:31.42 | George- | ChrisH: at all? |
| 23:32.07 | ChrisH | George-: Sorry, must have overlooked it. There is a second connection. Let me check the configuration. |
| 23:32.22 | George- | ChrisH: Check the netmasks |
| 23:32.31 | George- | ChrisH: and whether the IPs are in the same class |
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| 23:32.37 | ChrisH | George-: Doesn't show any IP address but that appears normal. I will set the IP manually. This is a little different from the Sharp ROM. |
| 23:32.38 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 23:32.39 | Gordo | I would nut my pants for a connection to come up for me |
| 23:32.59 | George- | ChrisH: set the ip to 192.168.129.1 and netmask to 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:33.04 | George- | ChrisH: then try pinging |
| 23:33.13 | George- | TCMAN: hey |
| 23:33.16 | George- | mark: PING |
| 23:33.22 | ChrisH | George-: :) <very quiet>works...</very quiet> |
| 23:33.35 | George- | ChrisH: silly sod |
| 23:33.37 | George- | :) |
| 23:33.39 | ChrisH | George-: Who could know that OZ does real TCP/IP networking and not that Sharp proprietary pseudo stuff. :) |
| 23:33.49 | George- | ChrisH: I do? |
| 23:33.55 | George- | ChrisH: But I've never used the Sharp ROM |
| 23:34.05 | George- | ChrisH: so I dunno what the Sharp ROM does |
| 23:34.11 | ChrisH | George-: Never ever? Not even for a few minutes to get a comparison? |
| 23:34.13 | Gordo | :( |
| 23:34.16 | George- | ChrisH: as soon as I got my Z, I flashed OZ before booting ;) |
| 23:34.21 | Gordo | you people with your working Zs |
| 23:34.30 | George- | Gordo: get on your WinXP box |
| 23:34.35 | Gordo | i'm on |
| 23:34.37 | George- | Gordo: and hit the sync button |
| 23:34.41 | Gordo | ok |
| 23:34.46 | George- | Gordo: get into the dos prompt |
| 23:34.50 | Gordo | ok |
| 23:34.55 | George- | Gordo: type ipconfig /a |
| 23:35.00 | George- | Gordo: and paste the results to me in query |
| 23:36.48 | George- | all these people running OZ and trying to sync with windows.. inherently EVIL |
| 23:37.04 | Shayde | that's the way the world works. :) |
| 23:37.10 | Shayde | i'm planning on syncing with windows. |
| 23:37.13 | George- | ChrisH: btw - you don't have to be <very quiet> with me, I'm a loudmouthed youth ;) |
| 23:37.15 | gaurdian | Uh.....syncing with XP works fine here |
| 23:37.20 | TCMAN | George-: yeah, how to sync with sylpheed on linux ? :) |
| 23:37.27 | George- | sylpheed? |
| 23:37.47 | TCMAN | George-: yup, the best email client ever |
| 23:38.16 | ChrisH | George-: I just felt a little awkward. :) |
| 23:38.19 | TCMAN | http://sylpheed.good-day.net/ |
| 23:39.11 | George- | ChrisH: heh |
| 23:39.16 | TCMAN | i would switch to evolution of syncing with evolution was possible |
| 23:39.29 | George- | ChrisH: I regularly make a complete fool of myself on this chan.. in fact, it's like a hobby of mine |
| 23:39.31 | ChrisH | George-: Still the network configuration part of the OZ is quite buggy. I enter the information and it does nothing. I re-open the network settings, press OK and it forgets the first DNS. I can only get the usbd0 up in the shell. |
| 23:39.45 | George- | ChrisH: Opie bug |
| 23:39.53 | ChrisH | George-: Not OZ bug? |
| 23:39.55 | George- | ChrisH: report it on the opie bugtracker |
| 23:40.03 | George- | ChrisH: I presume this is the graphical thing? |
| 23:40.28 | ChrisH | George-: It is. But isn't the net config screen part of the OZ? |
| 23:41.53 | George- | no, that's Opie |
| 23:42.06 | ChrisH | George-: Alternatives? PicoGUI? |
| 23:42.26 | George- | ChrisH: Terminal? ;) |
| 23:42.30 | jshare | has anyone gotten gnuboy to work? |
| 23:43.04 | ChrisH | George-: Liar! You aren't using the Z just in the shell, are you? Well, I assume you would also do _that_. :) |
| 23:43.06 | George- | jshare: use gbz |
| 23:43.16 | George- | ChrisH: I used to |
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| 23:43.29 | George- | ChrisH: I had to run my Psion in the Linux terminal for several years =P |
| 23:46.10 | ChrisH | Great... OZ just droped out of OPIE and now the network info is gone again. Bare with me but this feels like Windows. .( |
| 23:46.44 | George- | ChrisH: ? |
| 23:46.51 | George- | ChrisH: you killed Opie? |
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| 23:48.24 | George- | btw - who asked earlier how to cross compile for ARM on OSX? |
| 23:48.36 | ChrisH | George-: I did a few taps and dropped to to the console. |
| 23:48.38 | George- | http://www.lucid-cake.net/osx_arm/index_en.html |
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| 23:49.42 | George- | ChrisH: and network got trashed? |
| 23:49.56 | George- | ChrisH: I think all the sync code is built into Opie as opposed to being a daemon |
| 23:49.59 | ChrisH | George-: Yep. usbd0 is down and has no IP configured. |
| 23:50.06 | ChrisH | George-: I believe so. |
| 23:51.04 | ChrisH | George-: Unfortunately I need sync with Outlook as my employer decided to use it. I'm still not sure whether the PIM applications on the Z are sufficient. I've seen much better. |
| 23:51.50 | gaurdian | us I sync with outlook with no probs |
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| 23:52.13 | ChrisH | gaurdian: And does your network configuration dialog in Settings/Network work reliable in OZ? |
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| 23:54.13 | gaurdian | I dont use OZ |
| 23:54.28 | gaurdian | well, I did but just reflashed to Sharp |
| 23:54.37 | gaurdian | but when I had 3.2 on it was fine..... |
| 23:54.57 | gaurdian | I need to run the creator scripts right now, but OZ held the settings fine |
| 23:55.00 | jshare | does anyone have the vnc server working properly on the Z ? |
| 23:55.07 | jshare | i can connect, see the screen, and use the mouse |
| 23:55.17 | jshare | but I can't type wiht my PC keyboard |
| 23:55.28 | TCMAN | jshare: the same here |
| 23:55.30 | ChrisH | jshare: Yes. I did. Try to reboot! |
| 23:55.36 | George- | ChrisH: I'm on OZ 3.1rc2 |
| 23:55.40 | ChrisH | jshare: I had problem that my mouse worked but not the keyboard. |
| 23:55.42 | George- | ChrisH: works fine here |
| 23:55.48 | ChrisH | George-: Maybe I should go back to 3.1rc2. |
| 23:55.53 | George- | ChrisH: with Opie from the MickeyL feed |
| 23:56.51 | TCMAN | jshare: there is faq about mouse not working :))) |
| 23:57.36 | ChrisH | George-: Errr... isn't opie built into OZ? Or is it just replaceable packages? |
| 23:57.50 | treke|home | opie is just packages installed into oz |
| 23:58.39 | ChrisH | Okay... but what is the MickeyL feed? I just know stable/testing/unstable. |
| 23:59.09 | treke|home | dunno |
| 23:59.17 | treke|home | mickeyl must have a feed somewhere |
| 23:59.54 | treke|home | ibot, mickeyl? |
| 23:59.55 | | treke|home: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
