| 00:00.04 | kergoth | whether they think this is the first bootup or not |
| 00:00.31 | gabe | grf |
| 00:00.36 | gabe | now the cardmgr isnt running |
| 00:00.40 | gabe | or whatever controls cf |
| 00:00.41 | gabe | heh |
| 00:00.42 | kergoth | err |
| 00:00.48 | kergoth | must've been when you ran packages manually |
| 00:00.50 | kergoth | try rebooting |
| 00:01.20 | highpitch | in network setting iusbd0 arrow is up not wlan0.. |
| 00:01.22 | bobbyd | question: if/when i install OZ, will i have to pay for opera? |
| 00:01.32 | highpitch | bobbyd, no |
| 00:01.32 | bobbyd | is it even possible to buy it for the zaurus? |
| 00:01.43 | gabe | bobbyd: uh, no, get the package that creates an opera package |
| 00:01.59 | bobbyd | highpitch: i have a jap c700 which doesnt come with opera |
| 00:02.44 | kergoth | bobbyd: we'll create a netfrontcreator |
| 00:02.49 | kergoth | bobbyd: or you can use konqueror/embedded |
| 00:03.02 | noidd | Greetings |
| 00:03.46 | gabe | kergoth: packages init script did not list the sdmmc-tools pacakge when i ran it |
| 00:03.57 | kergoth | yeah, i know, i figured it out |
| 00:04.02 | bobbyd | kergoth: ok |
| 00:04.03 | kergoth | the packages script was being stupid |
| 00:04.08 | bobbyd | what's QCop? |
| 00:04.10 | gabe | hehe |
| 00:04.23 | gabe | bobbdy: IPC stuff i think |
| 00:04.33 | treke | ipc stuff |
| 00:04.50 | gabe | oh christ |
| 00:04.59 | gabe | now its running the packages script again |
| 00:05.01 | gabe | hah |
| 00:05.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:05.04 | kergoth | let it go |
| 00:05.10 | kergoth | (not like you have a choice, but..) |
| 00:06.20 | gabe | there we go |
| 00:06.37 | bobbyd | wow, arcane shit! |
| 00:06.47 | bobbyd | qcop QPE/Network "up()" |
| 00:06.53 | Klu5ter | gabe: are you using a new immage? one that I should stay away from perhaps? |
| 00:06.54 | treke | ? |
| 00:06.57 | bobbyd | that tells netfront that the network is up |
| 00:06.59 | kergoth | not arcane, pretty clean and simple |
| 00:07.04 | gabe | Klu5ter: yeah |
| 00:07.08 | bobbyd | what does it mean? |
| 00:07.12 | kergoth | treke: whats the equivalent of /dev/tty0 in devfs? |
| 00:07.15 | kergoth | treke: the vt master |
| 00:07.19 | treke | lemme look |
| 00:07.22 | kergoth | k |
| 00:07.23 | bobbyd | i cant find help for qcop anywhere |
| 00:07.28 | kergoth | bobbyd: doc.trolltech.com |
| 00:07.49 | noidd | kergoth: network interfaces are still evil to me. |
| 00:07.56 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:08.02 | noidd | kergoth: going to re-flash it tomorrow and blast a bug into opie |
| 00:08.09 | kergoth | interfaces? bug? |
| 00:08.21 | gabe | hehe |
| 00:08.25 | gabe | ok, i gotta get going |
| 00:08.29 | bobbyd | kergoth: i take it back, that's cool |
| 00:08.30 | kergoth | later gabe, thanks fro the testing |
| 00:08.33 | noidd | kergoth: I still have to drop to eject and insert wifi card after doing configuration for it to work |
| 00:08.41 | kergoth | noidd: on the image i made this afternoon? |
| 00:08.42 | gabe | kergoth: when i hopped into network settings just now and config'd wlan0 and hit ok, it exited the whole thing |
| 00:08.50 | bobbyd | unfortunatly this browser wont display my perforce web client :( |
| 00:08.50 | gabe | i'll play with it a bit later on tonight |
| 00:08.51 | kergoth | exited opie? |
| 00:08.54 | bobbyd | but it's all working |
| 00:08.55 | kergoth | or networksettings/ |
| 00:08.57 | gabe | no, just the network settings app |
| 00:09.00 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:09.01 | noidd | kergoth: yeah, actually - the last image seemed worse, I gave up on dhcp completely |
| 00:09.01 | kergoth | weird |
| 00:09.09 | gabe | lemme run it from konsole quickly |
| 00:09.12 | kergoth | noidd: that doesnt make any sense |
| 00:09.17 | kergoth | today sucks |
| 00:09.19 | noidd | kergoth: I will re-flash tho and try again in case I had a bad wifi connection or something |
| 00:09.22 | kergoth | its one of those days |
| 00:09.35 | gabe | oooh... undefined symbol ;) |
| 00:09.40 | kergoth | err |
| 00:09.47 | noidd | kergoth: Lemme re-flash and do that now. |
| 00:10.04 | noidd | i'm meant to be going to bed, 6am start tomorrow but I can spare you 20 mins ... np |
| 00:10.13 | kergoth | thanks |
| 00:10.38 | gabe | networksettings: error while loading shared libraries: /opt/QtPalmtop//plugins/networksettings/libwlanplugin.so.1.0.0: undefined symbol: __80ProcessP7QObjectPGc |
| 00:10.51 | gabe | that's the weirdest lib symbol i've ever seen |
| 00:10.53 | kergoth | gabe: eh, you are on this image right? |
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| 00:10.56 | kergoth | the one i uploaded? |
| 00:10.58 | gabe | yup |
| 00:11.04 | kergoth | thats so fscking weird |
| 00:11.23 | gabe | heh :/ |
| 00:11.25 | kergoth | i think today is my MONDAY |
| 00:11.27 | kergoth | ibot: mondays |
| 00:11.28 | | Sounds like _somebody_'s got a case of the Muhhndays! |
| 00:11.28 | gabe | ok, i'm going now |
| 00:11.33 | treke | ~lart kergoth |
| 00:11.38 | gabe | thanks for the help :) |
| 00:11.41 | kergoth | later gabe, thanks again |
| 00:11.41 | treke | kergoth: dont even scare me like that |
| 00:11.45 | gabe | np |
| 00:12.09 | kergoth | friday? |
| 00:12.20 | treke | yeah... the day after thursday |
| 00:12.28 | kergoth | uh, today's thursday |
| 00:12.32 | treke | ugh |
| 00:12.43 | kergoth | hence today sucks |
| 00:12.48 | treke | yes |
| 00:12.52 | highpitch | only the usbd0 is running in network setting |
| 00:12.58 | highpitch | still not syncing.. |
| 00:12.59 | treke | thats obvious since today isnt saturday |
| 00:13.02 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:13.11 | highpitch | i challeng anyone can make it damn work at all |
| 00:13.12 | treke | saturday being the only day of the week that doesnt suck |
| 00:13.19 | kergoth | ibot: saturday |
| 00:13.19 | | i heard saturday is the only day of the week that doesn't suck. |
| 00:13.34 | highpitch | damn, i feel shitty, can't make it sync! |
| 00:13.37 | treke | ibot, botsnack |
| 00:13.37 | | :), treke |
| 00:13.43 | highpitch | gabe, any idea? |
| 00:13.50 | treke | ibot go shove a botsnack up your ass |
| 00:13.50 | | :), treke |
| 00:14.00 | kergoth | kinky bot |
| 00:14.36 | bobbyd | highpitch: do you, have the usb cable plugged in, have the same ip set in the zmanager and the zaurus, can you ping the zaurus from the pc? |
| 00:15.00 | *** join/#zaurus effy (~none@216.251.50.73) |
| 00:15.05 | kergoth | hey effy |
| 00:15.16 | highpitch | bobbyd, i don't know the ip of my zuaurs |
| 00:15.22 | effy | oi, sup? |
| 00:15.28 | kergoth | long day |
| 00:15.30 | kergoth | you? |
| 00:15.37 | effy | just getting in to work ;) |
| 00:15.40 | doughecka | lol |
| 00:15.44 | effy | tgif |
| 00:16.15 | effy | oh, sowwie :D |
| 00:16.19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:16.28 | bobbyd | highpitch: it's not in the network settings somewhere |
| 00:16.35 | effy | so, how's that C700 support coming along anyways? ;) |
| 00:16.39 | bobbyd | open the tarminal and type: ifconfig |
| 00:16.57 | kergoth | hasnt been touched since i started working on the 3.2 release for collie |
| 00:17.05 | effy | collie? |
| 00:17.20 | kergoth | ibot: collie is sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog |
| 00:17.21 | | ...but collie is already something else... |
| 00:17.22 | treke | 5500/5000d |
| 00:17.26 | kergoth | ibot: no, collie is sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog |
| 00:17.27 | | okay, kergoth |
| 00:17.28 | treke | ibot, collie? |
| 00:17.29 | | well, collie is sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog |
| 00:17.30 | bobbyd | anyone know a good pop/http/ftp proxy that's gpl and runs on win32? |
| 00:17.38 | treke | bobbyd: yes. linux |
| 00:18.16 | effy | LOL |
| 00:18.49 | bobbyd | treke: any native suggestions |
| 00:18.58 | kergoth | talk to TheMasterMind1 |
| 00:19.03 | noidd | yeah - linux in vmware |
| 00:19.05 | kergoth | he investigated them at one point |
| 00:19.25 | bobbyd | i'll run openBSD on my little old donkey when i put it back together |
| 00:19.32 | bobbyd | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 00:19.55 | highpitch | the faq doesn't tell me much! |
| 00:20.04 | kergoth | the faq tells you enough. |
| 00:20.16 | highpitch | http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=7 |
| 00:20.30 | Pendalar | the faq is enough for anyone who should be using linux |
| 00:20.33 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 00:20.34 | highpitch | i'm not stupid. it couldn't be that hard to configurat |
| 00:20.36 | *** join/#zaurus james_lan (~james@156.26.48.49) |
| 00:20.42 | kergoth | the Z is 192.168.129.201 |
| 00:20.49 | kergoth | desktop needs to be hardcoded to 192.168.129.1 or something |
| 00:20.50 | highpitch | i though i said i'm a newbie, pal |
| 00:20.50 | effy | dear god, Jesse Jackson is trying to step in for his own name's sake again |
| 00:20.50 | kergoth | ta da |
| 00:20.58 | highpitch | kergoth, i did.. |
| 00:21.05 | kergoth | and can you ping the Z? |
| 00:21.19 | highpitch | i don't the ip of my z |
| 00:21.21 | noidd | A watched Zaurus never flashes |
| 00:21.23 | kergoth | i just fucking told you |
| 00:21.26 | kergoth | 192.168.129.201 |
| 00:21.28 | kergoth | fucking idiot. |
| 00:21.35 | highpitch | shut up |
| 00:21.35 | kergoth | should i say the ip a third time? |
| 00:21.39 | effy | kergoth: be nice now ;) |
| 00:21.39 | kergoth | maybe it'll sink in |
| 00:21.42 | kergoth | 192.168.129.201 |
| 00:22.21 | kergoth | as listed in the big bad obvious network settings app on your zaurus |
| 00:22.26 | kergoth | if you could manage to tap your way into it |
| 00:22.37 | highpitch | why 201? |
| 00:22.43 | bobbyd | kergoth: just /ignore and relax |
| 00:22.47 | treke | because thats what qtopia desktop expects |
| 00:22.52 | kergoth | because thats what sharp uses, and we retain compatibility |
| 00:22.53 | bobbyd | he's not work your anger ;) |
| 00:22.55 | effy | highpitch: why not 201? |
| 00:23.10 | highpitch | where is the documented somewhere? |
| 00:23.12 | bobbyd | work/worth |
| 00:23.15 | doughecka | why not 202? |
| 00:23.22 | effy | wtf does it matter |
| 00:23.23 | treke | doughecka: because qtopia desktop wants 201 |
| 00:23.26 | highpitch | ok.. i c |
| 00:23.28 | effy | it is set to something, and that is what it is. |
| 00:23.28 | kergoth | highpitch: its in the network settings app, and in qtopia desktop |
| 00:23.30 | noidd | ibot, bitchslap #zaurus |
| 00:23.31 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of #zaurus |
| 00:23.31 | treke | effy: because qtopia desktop sucks |
| 00:23.38 | highpitch | haha, that' the part i missed.. |
| 00:23.51 | kergoth | apparently |
| 00:24.03 | effy | doesnt sound like a laughing matter to me |
| 00:24.06 | effy | あほだな！ |
| 00:24.06 | doughecka | lol |
| 00:24.18 | highpitch | great, it assume we are all experts on linux.. |
| 00:24.25 | kergoth | effy: incompetence is never a laughing matter, it leads to frustration |
| 00:24.32 | highpitch | ok, learning curve is catching me on |
| 00:24.34 | kergoth | highpitch: uh, it assumes you have hte ability to run qtopia desktop |
| 00:24.38 | kergoth | highpitch: or tap on the networksettings app |
| 00:24.40 | kergoth | i know its hard |
| 00:24.42 | kergoth | but you can tap on it |
| 00:24.43 | kergoth | i know you can |
| 00:24.49 | kergoth | .. tap .. |
| 00:24.50 | effy | highpitch: if you're not going to read the documentation, why bother even picking the thing up? |
| 00:24.58 | effy | LOL |
| 00:25.14 | kergoth | baby steps. lets try tapping on the "Applications" tab |
| 00:25.19 | kergoth | can you say .. "Applications"? |
| 00:25.29 | effy | reminds me of my father. he used to take a TV dinner out of the fridge, and he'd ask me "how do I cook this thing?" |
| 00:25.34 | noidd | Right, its flashed |
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| 00:25.38 | kergoth | effy: hehe |
| 00:25.42 | doughecka | effy: lol |
| 00:25.54 | effy | kergoth: maybe he's afraid he might break it if he does anything without first asking an expert? |
| 00:25.59 | noidd | Kergoth, I'll describe every single action I perform - it might be user error. |
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| 00:26.13 | kergoth | noidd: ok. oculd very well not be though, networksettings needs some fixing |
| 00:26.41 | noidd | kergoth: I've got ethereal running on the dhcp server, so I should see dhcp requests if they are sent |
| 00:27.42 | *** join/#zaurus krezel (~mememe@166-90-245-44.ip2go.net) |
| 00:28.11 | krezel | I notice that opie-formatter can format SD cards with JFFS2... Can OZ mount JFFS2 formatted SD cards automagically? |
| 00:28.21 | kergoth | you dont want to run jffs2 on an sd card |
| 00:28.26 | bobbyd | finall |
| 00:28.31 | bobbyd | +y |
| 00:28.33 | bobbyd | it works |
| 00:28.34 | krezel | kergoth: why? just curious |
| 00:28.36 | kergoth | you'd have to run it on the block layer with blkmtd, but jffs2 was designed to run directly on mtd devices |
| 00:28.54 | krezel | Ah! ok |
| 00:29.21 | krezel | ext2 is the theme then? |
| 00:29.26 | kergoth | theme? |
| 00:29.33 | krezel | I was trying to sound cool |
| 00:29.40 | doughecka | whats the b500? |
| 00:29.41 | kergoth | didnt work |
| 00:29.42 | noidd | nevermind krezel ;- |
| 00:29.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:29.46 | noidd | :-) |
| 00:29.46 | krezel | Thanks buddy |
| 00:29.48 | kergoth | doughecka: japanese version of the 5600 |
| 00:29.51 | krezel | I know I'm not cool |
| 00:29.53 | kergoth | krezel: hey anytime, you know |
| 00:29.56 | doughecka | oh |
| 00:30.07 | doughecka | cool |
| 00:30.18 | noidd | kergoth: Ok, just calibrated screen - inserting wifi card |
| 00:30.22 | kergoth | okay |
| 00:30.32 | doughecka | what about the a300? |
| 00:30.39 | noidd | card applet fires up and spots that its been inserted |
| 00:30.46 | krezel | noidd: what card? |
| 00:30.46 | kergoth | doughecka: another japanese unit. this one has less flash, and xscale 200mhz |
| 00:30.48 | kergoth | iir |
| 00:30.49 | kergoth | c |
| 00:30.51 | kergoth | ibot: a300 |
| 00:30.52 | | it has been said that a300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale or a pxa210 |
| 00:30.54 | kergoth | ^ |
| 00:31.03 | treke | abd us really really tiny |
| 00:31.05 | noidd | Buffalo, wli-cf-s11g |
| 00:31.06 | treke | and is |
| 00:31.06 | doughecka | huh |
| 00:31.08 | krezel | hmm.. sounds cute |
| 00:31.16 | doughecka | cool |
| 00:31.25 | kergoth | noidd: k |
| 00:31.36 | noidd | hit the settings tab, clicked on Network |
| 00:31.39 | krezel | Does anybody make CF wlan cards with connectors for external antennas? |
| 00:31.53 | noidd | hit the 802.11b interface, and configure |
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| 00:32.07 | noidd | changed ESSID string to my essid |
| 00:32.16 | noidd | leaving the double quotes around) |
| 00:32.17 | doughecka | oh well |
| 00:32.35 | krezel | kergoth: what exactly is the difference between "root" (which goes to the JFFS2 partition, right?) and "ram" on OZ? |
| 00:32.35 | noidd | ad-hos is correct so leaving that alone |
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| 00:32.37 | kergoth | hmm, ben mentioned to me once |
| 00:32.47 | kergoth | that the quotes interefered with networksettings parsing |
| 00:32.48 | noidd | specify access point is selected - leaving it alone |
| 00:32.50 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:32.58 | noidd | click on tcp/ip tab |
| 00:32.59 | kergoth | krezel: ram is the mtdram persistant ramdisk |
| 00:33.03 | *** part/#zaurus doughecka (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 00:33.05 | kergoth | krezel: whose size depends on which kernel you selected |
| 00:33.13 | noidd | dhcp is selected already - leave it alone |
| 00:33.19 | kergoth | k |
| 00:33.22 | noidd | select automagically bring up |
| 00:33.25 | kergoth | no |
| 00:33.26 | kergoth | dont do that |
| 00:33.29 | noidd | ah |
| 00:33.31 | kergoth | that means bring up at _boot_ |
| 00:33.33 | kergoth | its not clear |
| 00:33.39 | kergoth | you dont want it brought up at boot, you want pcmcia to do it |
| 00:33.39 | noidd | ahhh |
| 00:33.44 | kergoth | i'll change that nwo actually |
| 00:33.51 | kergoth | it causes lots of problems for pcmcia and hotplug'd interfaces |
| 00:33.55 | noidd | ok, keeping it unselected and trying that |
| 00:33.58 | noidd | hitting OK |
| 00:34.27 | noidd | drops me back to the first screen which shows the list of interfaces |
| 00:34.32 | kergoth | okay |
| 00:34.33 | highpitch | i can ping it now |
| 00:34.43 | noidd | interface still shown as down.. no dhcp traffic seen on the network |
| 00:34.53 | kergoth | close networksettings |
| 00:34.58 | noidd | ok, closing |
| 00:35.06 | noidd | closed |
| 00:35.11 | kergoth | watch the card, see if it gets ejected |
| 00:35.22 | noidd | nope |
| 00:35.26 | highpitch | no |
| 00:35.37 | kergoth | highpitch: no what? i'm not talking to you |
| 00:35.47 | noidd | I got the dhcp request and reply however |
| 00:35.52 | highpitch | OOPs! |
| 00:36.00 | noidd | I may have missed the eject and re-insert however since i was watching irc screen ;-) |
| 00:36.01 | kergoth | noidd: is the interface up? |
| 00:36.06 | noidd | checking |
| 00:36.13 | noidd | yes :-D |
| 00:36.22 | noidd | see, told you it was user error |
| 00:36.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:36.38 | kergoth | okay, whew |
| 00:37.01 | noidd | in fairness tho,.. "Automatically bring up" is kinda misleading |
| 00:37.05 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:37.09 | kergoth | it should say "Bring up at boot" |
| 00:37.11 | noidd | I'm not that stupid, thats actually what I wanted :-D |
| 00:37.14 | kergoth | i'll change it in cvs atm |
| 00:37.21 | kergoth | er now |
| 00:37.26 | noidd | I'd still select it if it said that tho |
| 00:37.39 | noidd | maybe "Bring up at boot, not on card insertion" |
| 00:37.45 | noidd | but thats too long |
| 00:37.51 | kergoth | but it does bring it up at card insertion regardless of that opition |
| 00:37.59 | noidd | oh, ok |
| 00:38.00 | kergoth | just that trying to bring it up at boot interferes with pcmcia when it tries to |
| 00:38.02 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:38.15 | CodeYoddler | I want a Zaurus! |
| 00:38.30 | noidd | under what citcumstances should someone select that option ? |
| 00:38.38 | kergoth | noidd: for interfaces other than pcmcia and hotplug |
| 00:38.44 | kergoth | specifically, lo |
| 00:38.46 | kergoth | is hte only option |
| 00:38.52 | kergoth | but networksettings needs to be capable of this |
| 00:38.57 | kergoth | opie runs on more than just the zaurus. |
| 00:39.01 | noidd | ahhh, understood |
| 00:39.14 | djr | :) |
| 00:39.32 | mewyn | kergoth: i don't seem to have a problem wiht it |
| 00:39.37 | noidd | kergoth: that was my last real bug :-) |
| 00:39.40 | krezel | esta fuckupado |
| 00:39.42 | kergoth | mewyn: then you happen to boot with th ecard inserted |
| 00:39.46 | kergoth | or something |
| 00:39.51 | kergoth | but it most definately causes issues |
| 00:39.59 | mewyn | i've booted with and without the card |
| 00:40.05 | kergoth | then you were lucky. |
| 00:40.18 | mewyn | i guess i am :) |
| 00:40.36 | mewyn | but i'm prolly gonna start having problems now that you've said it |
| 00:40.44 | kergoth | jinxed ya |
| 00:40.56 | mewyn | yup |
| 00:41.21 | bobbyd | i know it's a crap question, but does anyone know a good place to get free clipart? |
| 00:41.22 | noidd | kergoth: well, my customer has found more, but he actually uses his Zaurus for work :-) |
| 00:41.38 | noidd | wierdo that he is |
| 00:41.52 | kergoth | noidd: what bugs? |
| 00:42.05 | noidd | mainly problems with syncing over usb |
| 00:42.22 | kergoth | syncing should work fine, minus the suspend/resume on cradle hang |
| 00:42.30 | kergoth | and barring the fact that qtopia desktop blows in general |
| 00:42.36 | noidd | yeah - we hit that one |
| 00:42.45 | noidd | copying files works |
| 00:43.03 | noidd | deletion of synced files you've fixed too in the last but one image |
| 00:43.13 | mewyn | damn that fuckin scared me! four guys came out of nowhere |
| 00:43.13 | kergoth | brb |
| 00:43.35 | noidd | I'll run through the process with him tomorrow and make notes |
| 00:43.35 | bobbyd | night |
| 00:43.39 | Pendalar | Skipped old file: public_html/main/python-database_2.2.2-1.0_arm.ipk (public_html/main/python-database_2.2.1-2.0_arm.ipk is newer) |
| 00:43.41 | noidd | I don't use syncing |
| 00:43.48 | Pendalar | sometimes I just don't get it |
| 00:43.49 | kergoth | Pendalar: and..? |
| 00:43.53 | kergoth | oh |
| 00:43.55 | kergoth | thats pretty stupid |
| 00:43.58 | Pendalar | =-{ |
| 00:44.08 | Pendalar | can't nobody make these things correctly |
| 00:44.16 | kergoth | fix the script |
| 00:44.33 | krezel | ok this bus error is worrying me |
| 00:44.37 | Pendalar | I think I can saftely get rid of 2.2.1 |
| 00:44.49 | Pendalar | and avoid the problem, it just bugs me |
| 00:44.59 | kergoth | krezel: bus error? |
| 00:45.04 | kergoth | krezel: the fdisk one? or a new one? |
| 00:45.07 | krezel | fdisk one |
| 00:45.08 | Pendalar | krezel, live in atlanta, you get used to it |
| 00:45.21 | krezel | Pendalar: haha what? |
| 00:45.43 | Pendalar | n/m you'd just have to be there |
| 00:45.43 | kergoth | 'bus error' |
| 00:45.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:45.47 | Pendalar | marta and all.. |
| 00:45.55 | krezel | haha ok |
| 00:46.12 | krezel | yeah when I do a "print" of the partition table on /dev/mmcda, it bus errors |
| 00:53.33 | krezel | Perhaps I'll just leave it vfat |
| 00:54.50 | noidd | Most excellent - thanks a lot kergoth |
| 00:54.57 | noidd | i'm off to bed to play with my new toy :-D |
| 00:55.07 | noidd | its 1am, only 5 hours of sleep tonight :-/ |
| 00:55.31 | CodeYoddler | I fucking want a Zaurus |
| 00:55.48 | Pendalar | steal one |
| 00:55.52 | treke | buy one |
| 00:56.10 | Pendalar | yeah if you can get it legally you prob should |
| 00:56.17 | Pendalar | dependant on how fast you can run |
| 00:57.08 | highpitch | i can ping the Z |
| 00:57.10 | james_lan | take mine, and I can be pretty sure you aren't fast enough! |
| 00:57.11 | james_lan | later all |
| 00:57.52 | highpitch | "Unsafe removal of device" pops out when press the sync button |
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| 00:58.06 | highpitch | i'm using USB |
| 00:59.33 | mewyn | that's because sharp did something dumb |
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| 01:01.17 | treke | yeah like making a pda :) |
| 01:04.15 | fliplap | mkay, i think i have this reencoding thing down to the point where i can fit 1 TV (minus commercials) show on a 64meg CF card |
| 01:04.45 | treke | you should be able to fit that pretty easily depending on length |
| 01:05.00 | fliplap | that plays relatively smoothly with good quality in opie-mediaplayer |
| 01:05.15 | fliplap | the shows come out to ~22 minutes |
| 01:05.24 | treke | that should be very easy then |
| 01:05.35 | fliplap | yeah, its keeping the decent quality |
| 01:05.51 | fliplap | and making it an easy process |
| 01:05.55 | fliplap | heh |
| 01:05.55 | treke | I think I had one hour shows at about 50 megs |
| 01:06.09 | fliplap | using mencoder? |
| 01:06.17 | treke | I think so |
| 01:07.44 | highpitch | i'm removing OZ.. fck it |
| 01:07.55 | highpitch | putting the sharp rom bk |
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| 01:08.47 | doughecka | lets say I had a 5500 and its screen broke, and I found a 5000d with a working screen. Could I replace the 5500 screen with the 5000d? |
| 01:10.15 | treke | kergoth`bbl would probably know. I think he has a service manual |
| 01:10.28 | doughecka | hm |
| 01:12.19 | Techie2000 | Why are you getting rid of OZ? |
| 01:12.36 | treke | because kergoth is an asshole :) |
| 01:13.58 | doughecka | lol |
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| 01:35.59 | gabe | huzzzah, my cross compiled hello world worked |
| 01:35.59 | gabe | hehe |
| 01:36.18 | Pendalar | welp it's sort working but I still have too many ipks borked |
| 01:36.22 | Pendalar | guess I'll rebuild them |
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| 01:50.10 | gabe | sdfasdf |
| 01:51.42 | gabe | anyone know where i can find info on coding apps for opie? |
| 01:53.22 | treke | doc.trolltech.,com |
| 01:53.33 | gabe | thanks |
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| 01:54.26 | gabe | treke: Qtopia, right? |
| 01:57.12 | treke | QT |
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| 02:14.16 | zoid | ok, so the fix for the SD problem was to link /etc/init.d/sd to /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
| 02:14.47 | gabe | zoid: run this in konsole: |
| 02:15.11 | gabe | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/sdmmc-tools.postinst configure |
| 02:15.25 | gabe | that'll setup the appropriate initscript links |
| 02:15.30 | zoid | kewl |
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| 02:21.42 | gabe | uh |
| 02:21.51 | gabe | hm. kismet-qt's source has no makefile |
| 02:24.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:24.31 | kergoth | it has a .pro |
| 02:24.34 | kergoth | use qmake or tmake on it |
| 02:25.30 | gabe | oh |
| 02:28.29 | gabe | uh, which tmake.conf do i use? |
| 02:28.40 | gabe | the one for arm linux or mac os x since i'm compilking there? |
| 02:29.58 | treke | arm-linux |
| 02:30.19 | treke | compiling on macosx isnt likely to work |
| 02:30.32 | treke | since you probably dont have a toolchain installed |
| 02:30.44 | gabe | i.e., binutils and gcc? |
| 02:30.48 | treke | s/toolchain/arm toolchain/ |
| 02:30.55 | treke | yes |
| 02:30.59 | gabe | sure i do, i installed a cross compiler setup earlier |
| 02:31.01 | gabe | :) |
| 02:31.13 | gabe | i even compiled some test apps |
| 02:31.28 | gabe | and they ran fine on my zaurus, granted it was just like, hello world type shit... |
| 02:31.32 | treke | oh well. Xfree86 is done compiling |
| 02:31.35 | treke | i'm going home |
| 02:33.30 | gabe | ah haTMAKEPATH |
| 02:34.27 | gabe | oh, neat, it just makes a Makefile |
| 02:36.18 | gabe | growl |
| 02:37.56 | gabe | oh greeat, now wtf is uic |
| 02:39.09 | Pendalar | bah burning this vcd doesn't seem to be in the cards tonight |
| 02:39.29 | gabe | heh |
| 02:39.48 | gabe | neither does me getting a cross-compiling environment set up for my zaurus |
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| 02:41.53 | Speedy2 | Yo. |
| 02:42.14 | gabe | ah ha, i can install Qt via fink |
| 02:42.26 | gabe | that will at least satisfy uic |
| 02:42.43 | Speedy2 | Can anyone suggest a decent news group reader? (Cross platform prefered) |
| 02:43.07 | gabe | this ought to be fun over dialup |
| 02:43.08 | Speedy2 | Tin sux, so don't suggest it. |
| 02:52.50 | gabe | it's amazing how much faster opie seems when it pops up a little clock to let you know it's doing something |
| 02:52.54 | gabe | weird |
| 02:53.01 | kergoth | little clock? |
| 02:53.17 | gabe | yeah, it's in the launcher prefs |
| 02:53.33 | kergoth | ahh |
| 02:54.02 | gabe | "Enable big busy indicator"though, it'd be nice if it were larger than the desktop , er, launcher icons |
| 02:54.13 | djr | hehe |
| 02:56.51 | gabe | does OZ / Opie / whatever use Qt3 or 2? |
| 03:00.10 | Pendalar | maybe the clock thing has subliminal msg's that calm you |
| 03:00.22 | gabe | hehe |
| 03:04.14 | gabe | ough |
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| 03:04.38 | gabe | 42MB for apple's X11, not over dialup i wont |
| 03:04.51 | Speedy2 | Overclock your modem. |
| 03:05.19 | gabe | hah |
| 03:06.26 | Speedy2 | Where do you live? |
| 03:06.32 | gabe | near boston |
| 03:06.42 | Speedy2 | Do you have huge telco fees added on? |
| 03:06.52 | gabe | uh, not that i know of |
| 03:06.53 | Speedy2 | In Texas SWBell adds $49/mo if you use another ISP for DSL |
| 03:06.58 | gabe | :o |
| 03:07.03 | gabe | holy crap |
| 03:07.04 | Speedy2 | If you use them, you have to "only" pay $39.95mo |
| 03:07.18 | Speedy2 | 39.95 == all inclusive, DSL charges + ISP |
| 03:07.22 | gabe | so you basically buy their dsl one way or another |
| 03:07.25 | gabe | how the hell is that legal? |
| 03:07.38 | gaurdian | why wouldent it be legal ? |
| 03:08.02 | gaurdian | They have the right to charge what they want |
| 03:08.22 | gabe | seems like monopolistic practices to me |
| 03:08.43 | gaurdian | not if there are other options it isnt |
| 03:08.51 | Speedy2 | Well it is monoplisitc shit |
| 03:08.55 | Speedy2 | I don't know what to do about it |
| 03:09.00 | Speedy2 | It's either that or cable modem (barf) |
| 03:09.05 | gabe | heh |
| 03:09.17 | gaurdian | well, see...you have a option |
| 03:09.23 | Speedy2 | <-- had cable modem for 4 years |
| 03:09.26 | Speedy2 | Service was so bad... |
| 03:09.48 | Speedy2 | SWBell sux. |
| 03:09.54 | Speedy2 | F'ing monopolizing whores. |
| 03:10.17 | gabe | my dad has cable modem though (att, now comcast) and everytime i visited i'd have to call up to have them allow my MAC address to use the connection |
| 03:10.24 | gaurdian | its not a monopoly unless you have NO OTHER OPTION |
| 03:10.42 | gabe | guardian: no other option for that specific service |
| 03:10.47 | gabe | cable modem != DSL |
| 03:10.52 | gaurdian | that doesnt count.. |
| 03:10.55 | gabe | or phone service for that matter |
| 03:10.58 | gabe | sure it does |
| 03:11.03 | gabe | but then again |
| 03:11.04 | gaurdian | nope, not legally |
| 03:11.41 | gabe | the FCC has now given the baby bells the right to decide whether or not the let the ILECs use their systems |
| 03:11.43 | Speedy2 | gaurdian: As far as DSL goes, SWBell IS being a monopoly, by not allowing you to use independant ISPs without paying and arm and a leg. |
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| 03:11.54 | gabe | so all non-baby bell dsl folks are probably going to get screwed |
| 03:11.54 | Speedy2 | Thank you f'ing Republicans. |
| 03:11.59 | gabe | (covad) |
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| 03:12.00 | nichos | Is there any sync. software for the zaurus, and evolution (linux)? |
| 03:12.06 | gabe | hahah |
| 03:12.12 | gaurdian | bah...thats not a monopoly at all, they allow you to use aneother ISP, just charge more, thats NOT a monopoly |
| 03:12.39 | gaurdian | charging more doesnt make a monopoly |
| 03:12.44 | Speedy2 | gaurdian: Dude, you must work for SWBell or something. $49 charge IN ADDITION to ISP charges? |
| 03:12.47 | kergoth | hey i really like that big busy indicator |
| 03:12.54 | gaurdian | if there were'nt any other ISP's THEN that would be a monopoly |
| 03:12.57 | Speedy2 | They're basically saying use us or get screwed. |
| 03:12.58 | gabe | kergoth: yeah, it's handy dandy |
| 03:13.03 | gaurdian | no I dont actually.... |
| 03:13.05 | Speedy2 | gaurdian: Yes, you do work for SWBell or another Bell. |
| 03:13.07 | kergoth | gabe: harlekin wants to do a little animation on it |
| 03:13.12 | gaurdian | no I dont |
| 03:13.13 | kergoth | gabe: like spin the hands or something |
| 03:13.19 | kergoth | then he'll put it in libopie |
| 03:13.24 | kergoth | so all the apps can use it when the user is waiting |
| 03:13.30 | gabe | kergoth: sounds damn good to me |
| 03:13.35 | gaurdian | and I am telling you wether you THINK its a monopoly doesnt matter |
| 03:13.36 | gabe | nice |
| 03:13.47 | gaurdian | they are allowed to charge that, there ARE options |
| 03:14.12 | Speedy2 | gaurdian: I bet you think M$ isn't a monopoly either. |
| 03:14.15 | gabe | "Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded." |
| 03:14.18 | gaurdian | and I dont work for a Bell btw |
| 03:14.35 | gabe | (sorry if that offends anyone) |
| 03:14.36 | Speedy2 | gaurdian: Probably M$ then. |
| 03:14.36 | kergoth | gabe: hrm, my networksettings eject/insert fix doesnt work :\ |
| 03:14.40 | kergoth | gabe: hacking on it now |
| 03:14.41 | gaurdian | actually, I do think it is, just because legally it has been labeled one |
| 03:14.44 | kergoth | gabe: (at home, have my wifi card) |
| 03:14.46 | gaurdian | nope, not MS |
| 03:14.51 | Speedy2 | Intel? |
| 03:14.55 | gaurdian | nope |
| 03:14.56 | gabe | kergoth: hehe |
| 03:15.21 | Speedy2 | Anyway, basically there is no affordable broadband in this area. |
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| 03:15.55 | gabe | i am really digging the new themes fresh/smallsmooth/gray/liquid looks very nice |
| 03:16.03 | nichos | How does everyone sync the zaurus w/linux here? |
| 03:16.13 | Speedy2 | I really should update my Zaurus. It's running whatever default stuff came on the 5000D. |
| 03:16.23 | gaurdian | affordable to who ? my point is this, no one OWES you "affordable broadband" |
| 03:18.08 | kergoth | rhmm |
| 03:18.10 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 03:18.13 | gaurdian | ? |
| 03:18.26 | kergoth | trying to get OProcess to like me |
| 03:18.29 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 03:18.45 | kergoth | so that networksettings will properly eject and reinsert the damn card |
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| 03:19.40 | gabe | hehe |
| 03:20.10 | zoid_ | anyone else having problems running opie-kpacman on the newest expierimental ROM |
| 03:20.23 | kergoth | kpacman in opie has a stupid configuration bug |
| 03:20.27 | kergoth | nobody ever bothered to fix it |
| 03:20.38 | zoid_ | heh |
| 03:20.56 | zoid_ | it worked last night...thats why i wondered |
| 03:21.06 | kergoth | havent tried it myself |
| 03:21.18 | kergoth | you know the opie version of tetrix has a high score nowadays |
| 03:21.24 | kergoth | makes it worth playing now |
| 03:21.26 | zoid_ | its some error about not having a scheme chosen |
| 03:21.26 | Speedy2 | I found a nice Win9x/NT news reader |
| 03:21.30 | Speedy2 | Gravity. |
| 03:21.43 | gaurdian | agent works nice also |
| 03:21.51 | Speedy2 | Agent is OK. |
| 03:22.08 | Speedy2 | http://lightning.prohosting.com/~tbates/gravity/super.html#download for those interested. |
| 03:22.34 | zoid_ | There is no scheme defined or no scheme chosen |
| 03:22.38 | zoid_ | thats the error |
| 03:23.14 | gabe | kergoth: tetrix would be worth playing if it handled hitting the down button like other tetris games do |
| 03:23.36 | gabe | i.e., moved the piece down the screen faster, not just directly to the bottom |
| 03:24.10 | mutexer | yeah I hate that too |
| 03:24.28 | Speedy2 | gabe: Who are you getting for your DSL? Speakeasy? |
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| 03:25.13 | polin8 | hey all |
| 03:25.23 | gabe | Speedy2: yeah, i've had them for a whil,e, but i moved and they're setting up my new link |
| 03:25.38 | FourNic8 | Gabe: How much do you pay? |
| 03:26.16 | mewyn` | four nics? hrm... that's a lot, you using them for load balancing or multiple routes? or maybe failover? |
| 03:26.29 | FourNic8 | Read the nic out loud |
| 03:26.44 | FourNic8 | Maybe better if I did it this way |
| 03:26.45 | gabe | FourNic8: too much |
| 03:26.57 | fornic8 | gabe: Like $60/mo, right? |
| 03:27.02 | gabe | why not just call yourself 'fuck' |
| 03:27.05 | gabe | heh |
| 03:27.10 | djr | my cable is 3mb down 384kb up |
| 03:27.10 | djr | i like it |
| 03:27.11 | djr | :) |
| 03:27.24 | gabe | fornic8: no, i pay around $90 for 1544/384 or so |
| 03:27.27 | mewyn` | speedy: i knew what it said without having to read it out loud :P |
| 03:27.36 | fornic8 | mewyn: Heh :) |
| 03:27.37 | mewyn` | i was just making fun of it in my usual way |
| 03:27.50 | gabe | i'd pay less for a slower connection since i no longer need faster than 128kbps upstream, but it's $90 to change |
| 03:27.51 | fornic8 | gabe: I just found the "polin8" pretty funny, that's all |
| 03:27.59 | gabe | heh |
| 03:28.35 | fornic8 | Wow. 40k+ newsgroups. It used to be 20k+ last time I checked. |
| 03:29.05 | mewyn` | i wonder if you could get fornic8 past the people at the dmv |
| 03:29.11 | fornic8 | Heh |
| 03:29.13 | fornic8 | Yeah |
| 03:29.24 | fornic8 | 4nic8 works too |
| 03:29.29 | fornic8 | But IRC won't accept it. |
| 03:29.39 | mewyn` | if you can have letters and numbers mixed in |
| 03:29.42 | mewyn` | IL won't let you |
| 03:29.48 | mewyn` | you have to have numbers last |
| 03:30.02 | fornic8 | Yeah |
| 03:30.19 | fornic8 | Djr who are you using for cable? |
| 03:30.23 | fornic8 | The problem with cable is the latency. |
| 03:30.43 | mewyn` | i love my dsl |
| 03:30.54 | mewyn` | no latency. high speed. no sharing |
| 03:30.56 | fornic8 | That why DSL rulez. |
| 03:31.00 | fornic8 | Yup. |
| 03:31.37 | mewyn` | you know what's wierd... in a house that's almost next to my CO, they have direcpc |
| 03:31.48 | fornic8 | I talked with a dude from the company |
| 03:31.49 | djr | fornic8: attbi |
| 03:32.03 | djr | i also get access to usenet with attbi... uncapped |
| 03:32.04 | fornic8 | And currently you have to use modem for up-link |
| 03:32.10 | gabe | attbi -> comcast |
| 03:32.11 | fornic8 | djr: How do you get 384 up? |
| 03:32.19 | djr | i download ~25gb/day |
| 03:32.44 | gabe | fornic8: attbi/comcast introduced a high-end plan |
| 03:32.55 | fornic8 | Ah. |
| 03:32.56 | djr | fornic8: its an upgrade option... normal is 1.5mb/256kb... i have 3mb/384kb... |
| 03:33.08 | gaurdian | same djr |
| 03:33.14 | djr | attbi introduced it... when comcast bought attbi's cable division, they got rid of the plan |
| 03:33.16 | fornic8 | Frankly 384-1Mbit down is fine, I care about the latency more than the bandwidth. |
| 03:33.29 | djr | i ping fine to everywhere |
| 03:33.36 | djr | well... i ping the same as anything else |
| 03:33.39 | fornic8 | Well, in Texas cable is shit |
| 03:33.41 | djr | and i can often download a lot higher than 3mb |
| 03:33.54 | fornic8 | It got a little better when AT&T bought TCI, but not much. |
| 03:36.53 | mewyn` | plus, dsl from speakeasy rules. i can run servers |
| 03:37.41 | fornic8 | Yeah, Speakeasy is great for that kind of stuff. |
| 03:37.51 | gabe | yup |
| 03:38.24 | gabe | and they dont block outgoing port 25 |
| 03:38.37 | fornic8 | Plus they don't spy on you and shit (ala AT&T) |
| 03:39.41 | gabe | my only gripe with speakeasy now is the $300 early termination fee if you leave your contract, and the $90 fee to change the speed of your dsl |
| 03:42.41 | fornic8 | Yeah. That's steep. |
| 03:43.39 | gabe | that's the only reason i'm putting up with the $90/mo crap. in august i can get rid of it. |
| 03:44.01 | fornic8 | Get rid of Speakeasy or the current package? |
| 03:45.35 | mewyn` | hrm. i don't have a contract |
| 03:46.00 | gabe | both |
| 03:46.02 | mewyn` | http://www.wtvw.com/Global/story.asp?S=1202085&nav=7CPEEs9h woo! |
| 03:46.04 | polin8 | anyone had opie package manager quit showing installed packeges? |
| 03:46.19 | gabe | i duno, i may stick with speakeasy |
| 03:46.30 | fornic8 | mewyn: What is that link about? |
| 03:48.13 | mewyn` | IL passing a law in it's HR for making it illegal to drive slow in the left lane |
| 03:48.24 | fornic8 | Heh |
| 03:48.41 | mewyn` | i despise people who do that |
| 03:52.34 | fornic8 | djr: What program do you use for usenet? |
| 03:54.27 | djr | fornic8: in windows? grabit... google for shemes grabit |
| 03:57.45 | kergoth | polin8: its broken |
| 03:57.52 | kergoth | its fixed now |
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| 04:10.53 | sig | is there a zaurus sync tool for linux? |
| 04:12.50 | treke|home | sig: uhm yes |
| 04:14.07 | sig | treke|home: just wanting to know if there was just one or several |
| 04:14.10 | sig | you have a link? |
| 04:14.34 | treke|home | ni |
| 04:14.36 | treke|home | no |
| 04:14.47 | Techie2000 | Go to http://docs.zaurus.com/ |
| 04:14.53 | sig | whats the name of it? |
| 04:15.01 | Techie2000 | There it explains how to setup sync with linux |
| 04:16.05 | sig | welp they don't even have a kernel-zaurus for my system |
| 04:16.12 | sig | so I'm screwed for the time being |
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| 04:18.48 | fliplap | sig: no you aren't, just patch the source |
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| 04:24.04 | sig | patch it with what fliplap |
| 04:24.14 | sig | there isn't a newer patch |
| 04:24.26 | sig | my kernel version is newer than what they have on there. |
| 04:24.39 | kergoth | what are you running? |
| 04:24.57 | sig | redhat |
| 04:25.02 | raster | smellyhat |
| 04:25.16 | kergoth | indeed |
| 04:25.38 | fliplap | what kernel version are you running? |
| 04:26.10 | sig | 2.4.18-27.8.0 |
| 04:26.17 | raster | 7 |
| 04:26.21 | fliplap | and what features of that kernel do you need that the patchable versions don't provide? |
| 04:26.34 | sig | I'm at work |
| 04:26.39 | raster | get that for bleeding edge! |
| 04:26.41 | raster | muahaha |
| 04:26.46 | sig | and I cannot compile kernels here |
| 04:26.54 | sig | we're not allowed to |
| 04:27.02 | kergoth | sig: you should upgrade to 2.4.21-pre, which has Z support for the existing usbnet driver |
| 04:27.05 | fliplap | then what are you complaining about? you wouldn't be able to patch it anyway |
| 04:27.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:27.08 | kergoth | not allowed? |
| 04:27.36 | fliplap | kergoth: is it in the 2.5.x kernels as well? |
| 04:28.16 | fliplap | they won't allow you to compile a kernel but they'll let you drop in a binary replacement? |
| 04:28.31 | kergoth | yes, it is |
| 04:29.21 | fliplap | hmm, i need to check the kernel mailing list, see if surround sound on my card is supported yet |
| 04:31.46 | fliplap | i havent upgraded yet since the driver doesn't work with esd, and alan cox is writing the driver. He has some kind of personal beef with esd |
| 04:32.13 | kergoth | opie really needs to use a sound server |
| 04:32.56 | fliplap | there's an esd port isn't there? |
| 04:33.05 | treke|home | everyone hates esd :) |
| 04:33.52 | kergoth | fliplap: heh, esd is in the oz buildroot in fact |
| 04:34.05 | kergoth | hardwire was streaming audio to/from his Z with it |
| 04:34.17 | fliplap | i can't imagine why, whats wrong with esd? |
| 04:35.32 | treke|home | fliplap: horrid latency |
| 04:35.39 | fornic8 | SMTP is usually on port 25, right? |
| 04:35.42 | kergoth | thats true of any sound server really |
| 04:35.51 | kergoth | nature of the beast |
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| 04:36.19 | fliplap | yeah, i have the same problem with arts |
| 04:36.25 | treke|home | yup |
| 04:36.30 | treke|home | sound servers are the devil |
| 04:36.48 | kergoth | opie needs a fucking sound class at the very least |
| 04:36.52 | *** join/#zaurus TCMAN (~dbehr@adsl-64-164-11-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 04:36.58 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 04:37.01 | kergoth | right now we've got nada |
| 04:37.02 | fliplap | until i can play multiple streams at the same time without one, i'll stick with esd |
| 04:37.17 | raster | treke|home: actualyl sound devices are the devil. sound daemons are an attempt to cover up the evilness of the soudn devices |
| 04:37.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:37.42 | kergoth | i hope you mean the hardware, not the drivers. mixing streams doesnt belong in kernel space |
| 04:37.44 | raster | arts, esd, etc. are there because a lot fo soudn drviers DONT do multiple opens or mixing. |
| 04:37.44 | treke|home | hehe |
| 04:37.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:37.54 | kergoth | nor does resampling |
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| 04:38.00 | TCMAN | i tried fdisk /dev/mmcda on oz3.1 and it crashed when i tried to display partition table |
| 04:38.01 | raster | kergoth: sure it does. it interleabvs (mixes) tcp/ip and packets. |
| 04:38.01 | chouimat | http://www.ratemyrack.com/xracklist.asp?sort=score&start=8&rackId=2409 |
| 04:38.11 | raster | it defragments and assembles.reassambles |
| 04:38.13 | fliplap | kergoth: heh, i don't care how it gets done |
| 04:38.17 | raster | whats wrong with mixing audoio streams? |
| 04:38.24 | kergoth | hmm, point taken |
| 04:38.33 | raster | thats always my position |
| 04:39.01 | raster | if you put anything onter than delivering raw ethernet frames in the kernle ... then i see no reason you cant do that elsewhere too. |
| 04:39.05 | fliplap | right now, esd is the best way todo it, when something better (actually better, art is not) i'll use it |
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| 04:39.30 | fliplap | raster: you mean you don't want your webserver running in kernel space? |
| 04:39.40 | kergoth | if you say resampling belongs in the kernel, i'm going to have to hurt you |
| 04:39.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:39.45 | fliplap | cough\ |
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| 04:39.59 | treke|home | fliplap: hey, from the numbers I say, the kernel web server was pretty quick :) |
| 04:40.10 | fliplap | there's no doubt that its quick |
| 04:40.21 | fliplap | but i'm not about to use it |
| 04:40.25 | kergoth | ~kill TCMAN |
| 04:40.30 | | ACTION slits TCMAN's throat |
| 04:40.42 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 04:40.42 | | thanks, kergoth |
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| 04:41.05 | fliplap | TCMAN: hey, quit baggin on my driver :-) |
| 04:41.18 | *** part/#zaurus andy (andy@h94-4.mmi-internet.com) |
| 04:41.42 | TCMAN | :) |
| 04:41.42 | treke|home | TCMAN: easy solution |
| 04:41.45 | treke|home | TCMAN: kill her first |
| 04:42.01 | treke|home | or |
| 04:42.02 | TCMAN | treke: i like her :) |
| 04:42.16 | treke|home | go rob a florist and claim you spent 600 bucks on flowers |
| 04:42.41 | TCMAN | haha |
| 04:42.49 | fornic8 | TCMAN: What's on your CC bill that will scare her? |
| 04:43.36 | Bala | 3 yr platinum membership to www.hottits.com |
| 04:43.37 | TCMAN | fornic8: zaurus, netgear cf wifi card, mmc card, netgear pcmcia wifi card, netgear pci wifi card .... the list is long :) |
| 04:44.12 | gaurdian | dident you put your funeral arrangements on it also ? |
| 04:44.22 | raster | kergoth: to do mixing you NEED to be able to resample |
| 04:44.39 | TCMAN | gaurdian: good idea :) |
| 04:45.06 | raster | kergoth: stream 1 is at 22khz mono, stream 2 44khz stereo. you have to sample the 22khz up to 44 before mixing then outputting |
| 04:45.18 | fliplap | speaking of sound |
| 04:45.27 | fliplap | whats the next step down from 22khz? |
| 04:45.35 | TCMAN | fliplap: 11khz ? |
| 04:45.36 | raster | 11 |
| 04:45.38 | fliplap | 22050Hz that is |
| 04:45.44 | TCMAN | 11025 |
| 04:45.45 | raster | 11025 |
| 04:45.47 | raster | :) |
| 04:45.49 | TCMAN | :) |
| 04:45.52 | raster | (traditionally) |
| 04:46.01 | fliplap | hrm, when i try to tell mencoder todo 11025 the audio and video totally loose sync |
| 04:46.04 | raster | 8000 is also common cause of sun hware doing it |
| 04:46.13 | raster | but a good snd card can do any samplign rate you want |
| 04:46.17 | raster | (betwene ranges) |
| 04:46.22 | raster | ie from 4khz -> 48 |
| 04:46.25 | raster | and anything in that range |
| 04:46.40 | raster | as for software - who knows |
| 04:46.46 | fliplap | 8000 just sounds horrible |
| 04:47.02 | fliplap | and a-v sync is again all out of whack |
| 04:47.09 | TCMAN | pressing CD and reset at once is crazy :) |
| 04:47.17 | fliplap | anything lower than 22kHz seems to f-up |
| 04:53.50 | TCMAN | btw, is there a way to keep two or more wifi profiles with differenet keys and essids and switch between them? |
| 04:53.59 | TCMAN | like on for work and one for home |
| 04:54.16 | fliplap | i write scripts todo it |
| 04:54.16 | TCMAN | on notebook i can use pcmcia schemes for that |
| 04:54.29 | fliplap | iwconfig is available on OZ |
| 04:55.40 | TCMAN | fliplap: yup |
| 04:55.55 | TCMAN | fliplap: but i thought i could use network settings applet for this |
| 04:56.16 | TCMAN | fliplap: it has some "profiles" |
| 04:56.23 | TCMAN | fliplap: what are they for ? |
| 04:56.28 | fliplap | shrug, haven't really looked |
| 04:57.11 | TCMAN | fliplap: ok |
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| 05:11.08 | TCMAN | 64-0 kernel doesnt flash |
| 05:11.51 | TCMAN | wtf it just blinks both LEDs |
| 05:12.34 | TCMAN | and the kernel file is bigger than 58-6 |
| 05:12.47 | *** part/#zaurus Techie2000 (~Techie200@64-252-68-30.adsl.snet.net) |
| 05:14.17 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:18.39 | zoid | is there a place to get free e-books? |
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| 05:21.23 | Gigh | is there any gecko browser on the zaurus? liek galeon, or phoenix? |
| 05:28.43 | TCMAN | weird it flashes from microdrive but doesnt from flash card |
| 05:31.01 | Bala | is your CF formated right? |
| 05:31.26 | TCMAN | Bala: yup fat16 |
| 05:31.39 | TCMAN | Bala: i never formatted it |
| 05:31.42 | Bala | then i dunno |
| 05:32.27 | zoid | you guys know of any free e-books? |
| 05:32.30 | TCMAN | Bala: oh well, its flashing from microdrive |
| 05:32.43 | TCMAN | zoid: baen library |
| 05:32.44 | kergoth | TCMAN: it was a problem with teh filesystem. |
| 05:32.47 | zoid | and what's good for mail on the Z? |
| 05:32.51 | kergoth | the fact that you never formatted it doesnt mean it was right |
| 05:32.53 | TCMAN | zoid: and alt.binaries.e-books |
| 05:33.10 | kergoth | new OZ image is up |
| 05:33.15 | kergoth | 200303272314 |
| 05:33.15 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok |
| 05:33.31 | zoid | kergoth: what's new in it? |
| 05:33.41 | TCMAN | kergoth: good timing, i just downloaded oz3.1rc3.1 and i am flashing it :))) |
| 05:33.43 | zoid | kergoth: do you keep like a changelog or anything? |
| 05:33.43 | kergoth | depends on what you compare it against |
| 05:33.49 | kergoth | the changelog is on openzaurus.org |
| 05:33.53 | *** join/#zaurus darmou (darmou@graphic.csse.monash.edu.au) |
| 05:33.57 | kergoth | but isnt always 100% up to date |
| 05:33.58 | zoid | to compare against the one you upped a few hours ago, heh |
| 05:34.05 | zoid | the one with the SD problem |
| 05:34.09 | kergoth | I fixed the networksettings doesnt eject/insert |
| 05:34.12 | kergoth | and the sd prob |
| 05:34.29 | kergoth | and removed .profile from /etc/skel because it was redundant, /etc/profile had all that |
| 05:34.31 | TCMAN | kergoth: where is it ? |
| 05:34.48 | kergoth | removed the quotes from the default 'any' essid in wireless.opts as netwroksettings wasnt parsing it right |
| 05:35.03 | kergoth | couple other minor tweaks |
| 05:35.09 | zoid | i'll just wait then |
| 05:35.14 | kergoth | TCMAN: http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/ |
| 05:35.16 | kergoth | zoid: yeah, nothing huge |
| 05:35.21 | djr | kergoth: is there any kinda changelog for everything you do? |
| 05:35.22 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok, 10x |
| 05:35.32 | kergoth | djr: theres my OZ TODO |
| 05:35.38 | zoid | kergoth: is there a good way to update just the ROM? so that all my installed packages don't get remove (they're all installed to SD) |
| 05:35.42 | kergoth | djr: and the changelog on openzaurus.org |
| 05:35.45 | kergoth | zoid: ipkg upgrade |
| 05:35.47 | djr | ahhh |
| 05:35.48 | djr | hehe |
| 05:35.51 | kergoth | zoid: and |
| 05:35.56 | kergoth | zoid: packages installed to sd dont get lost on reflash |
| 05:36.07 | kergoth | zoid: just run ipkg-link mount /mnt/card after flashing |
| 05:36.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:36.15 | kergoth | ibot: oz todo |
| 05:36.19 | | [oz todo] http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO |
| 05:36.19 | zoid | :) |
| 05:36.47 | TCMAN | kergoth: cool |
| 05:36.53 | zoid | so all i'd have to do, is flash it, ipkg-link it, and then change all the settings back to how i had 'em (i'd lose no data, jsut settings) |
| 05:36.55 | zoid | sound right? |
| 05:36.58 | kergoth | bingo |
| 05:37.19 | zoid | nice |
| 05:37.21 | kergoth | well |
| 05:37.23 | TCMAN | kergoth: i just got 64MB mmc card today because i am too impatient to wait for the 256mb i got from ebay |
| 05:37.24 | kergoth | your pim data is in flash |
| 05:37.31 | kergoth | not just app settings, also app data |
| 05:37.39 | zoid | ahh |
| 05:37.41 | kergoth | use the opie backup tool |
| 05:37.44 | zoid | yeah |
| 05:37.49 | kergoth | or symlink /root/Settings and /root/Applications to sd |
| 05:38.06 | darmou | TCMAN so SD cards work ok in OZ? What is the largest SD or MMC card you can get? |
| 05:38.11 | kergoth | they work fine. |
| 05:38.16 | zoid | i'll just use backup :) (safer for me now as a beginner) heh |
| 05:38.21 | kergoth | zoid: yeah |
| 05:38.29 | kergoth | i use opie-backup for my app stuff, and install apps to sd |
| 05:38.30 | kergoth | works great |
| 05:38.49 | darmou | I heard that some people have had problems with opie backup, I assume it is working ok now? |
| 05:38.56 | kergoth | works fine now |
| 05:39.01 | TCMAN | darmou: 512mb is the largest, i got 256mb sd-mmc for $65 (from ebay) and 64m mmc for $30 in store |
| 05:39.49 | TCMAN | kergoth: so i should rename rootfs -> initrd.bin ? |
| 05:39.54 | kergoth | yes |
| 05:40.01 | darmou | TCMAN would be nice to have a gig or too, that way you could watch full length movies:) |
| 05:40.01 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok |
| 05:40.19 | TCMAN | darmou: i have 340mb microdrive for that |
| 05:40.46 | TCMAN | darmou: sd is for OS, cf for ethernet and other storage with movies |
| 05:40.53 | darmou | TCMAN 349mb is not that big, there are 1 gig ones |
| 05:41.09 | TCMAN | darmou: i know, but 340mb was a freebie :) |
| 05:42.27 | darmou | TCMAN I want to use the wireless networking with freeswan to work with the cisco vpn. I can' beleive that no one is talking about wireless vpn for an enterpise product. Sharp really need to do something obout that. |
| 05:43.01 | TCMAN | darmou: sharp doesnt seem to give a f*ck, i bought zaurus because of openzaurus |
| 05:43.12 | darmou | there is all this talk about wireless but with a lot of corporate lans with vpn, well it makes it useles |
| 05:44.13 | Bala | are there any bigger than 1 GB out now? lexar's 2GB comes out next month... |
| 05:44.31 | darmou | The problem is that sharp are a good small electronics manufacturer, they no next to nothing about comuters and computer design. OpenZaurus peolple come from a comp based background so its much better |
| 05:45.05 | TCMAN | i think they should stop doing their distro and support OZ |
| 05:45.39 | darmou | TCMAN I agree and that means getting jeode and the hancom apps to properly work with the oz |
| 05:45.45 | kergoth | they do work |
| 05:45.54 | kergoth | and wonka, an open source java VM, is gaining qt/e bindings |
| 05:46.04 | kergoth | at which point we will no longer have to rely on jeode |
| 05:46.13 | djr | cool |
| 05:46.25 | djr | what uses jeode anyway? |
| 05:46.26 | TCMAN | darmou: i couldnt care less for java |
| 05:46.28 | darmou | kergoth I notice with JMap all the menus are missing and even preloding the old libs hancom word freezes and does not work |
| 05:46.37 | kergoth | darmou: what OZ? |
| 05:46.40 | TCMAN | darmou: and hancom apps arent that sexy either |
| 05:46.43 | Bala | darmou: dont have to preload naymore |
| 05:46.44 | kergoth | 3.0 is known to not work properly with them |
| 05:46.47 | kergoth | had compatibility issues |
| 05:46.52 | kergoth | sandman fixed them |
| 05:47.06 | darmou | kergoth Im using the latest release of oz |
| 05:47.06 | djr | they work fine on 3.1-rc3.2 |
| 05:47.12 | kergoth | darmou: and release is old |
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| 05:47.18 | kergoth | darmou: not to mention less stable, surprisingly |
| 05:47.19 | kergoth | ;) |
| 05:47.31 | kergoth | well regardless 3.2 final will be out within a day or two at this rate |
| 05:48.02 | darmou | kergoth so I should try to NOT preload the old apps and try to updrade to unstable? |
| 05:48.11 | darmou | or wait for the next release? |
| 05:48.21 | darmou | old libs even.. |
| 05:48.23 | kergoth | i'd recommend waiting |
| 05:48.29 | TCMAN | kergoth: now flashing the latest shapshot :) |
| 05:48.35 | darmou | ok thanks |
| 05:48.40 | Bala | kergoth: will 3.2 upgrade better than prev versions? |
| 05:48.51 | kergoth | Bala: ipkg blows. |
| 05:48.56 | kergoth | Bala: as a result, upgrade paths are hosed |
| 05:48.57 | Bala | kergoth: noted :) |
| 05:49.04 | kergoth | nothing can be done about it short of fixing ipkg |
| 05:49.12 | kergoth | i've discussed the behaivors thoroughly with its maintainers |
| 05:49.20 | kergoth | so going forward this should be fixed. but isnt yet. |
| 05:49.25 | Bala | ok then.. i'll jsut settle for writting a scritp to relink all my /mnt/card apps back to / |
| 05:49.30 | kergoth | ehh? |
| 05:49.31 | kergoth | um |
| 05:49.33 | kergoth | we have a script |
| 05:49.35 | kergoth | its in the rom |
| 05:49.37 | kergoth | ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 05:49.42 | Bala | cool :) |
| 05:49.44 | kergoth | ipkg-link add packagename |
| 05:49.46 | kergoth | whatever |
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| 05:49.59 | kergoth | autoconf is a large piece of smelly shit |
| 05:50.08 | kergoth | that is popular only because no better solutions yet exist |
| 05:50.26 | TCMAN | kergoth: true, i tried to use it several times :) |
| 05:50.41 | TCMAN | kergoth: fortunately glade generates ac script for me :) |
| 05:50.44 | kergoth | also, its crosscompilation support is absolutely worthless |
| 05:51.01 | darmou | TCMAN the problem is that some apps are java only so it would be nice to get them to work ok under oz. Hopefully Sun will launch its new j2me for zaurus soon. |
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| 05:51.47 | zoid | how the heck do you recieve mail with opie-mail2, heh |
| 05:51.52 | Bala | darmou: they already have havent they? or is the personal-profile something else? |
| 05:52.01 | zoid | or is there a better mail app? |
| 05:52.02 | TCMAN | darmou: well, i havent seen any java app i cannot live without |
| 05:52.48 | darmou | Well the one I dowloaded from sun did not work properly with the sharp rom. Mabey it works ok under oz? |
| 05:53.17 | darmou | zoid theKompany mail app might be good. I really like their other apps. |
| 05:53.29 | zoid | but i want free, heh |
| 05:53.42 | kergoth | cheap ass |
| 05:53.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:53.45 | HuggyBear | Anyone usingAnyone have a netgear MA701 or linksys WCF11 working w/WEP using OZ 3.1-rc3? |
| 05:53.47 | Bala | it worked for me when i had it installed.. although jeode seemed to run faster.. so i just kept that on. |
| 05:53.47 | darmou | I have found that all theKompany apps work ok under oz |
| 05:53.49 | kergoth | theres no good open soure opie mail app atm |
| 05:54.03 | TCMAN | kergoth: will ipkg-link script work with empty mmc card ? |
| 05:54.04 | mspencer | well, so far gcc on the c700 is performing beautifully for programs I've written. I'm finishing my class assignment on it (implement reliable data transfer over UDP using simple stop-and-wait loss/corruption recovery). :) |
| 05:54.07 | zoid | :) |
| 05:54.10 | kergoth | TCMAN: what? |
| 05:54.13 | TCMAN | kergoth: just to move directories and stuff ? |
| 05:54.16 | kergoth | TCMAN: i dont think you understand what it is. |
| 05:54.22 | kergoth | you use ipkg to install a package to the card |
| 05:54.28 | kergoth | you use ipkg-link to link those files back to flash |
| 05:54.33 | kergoth | it doesnt move anything |
| 05:54.44 | kergoth | its entire purpose in life is to parse an ipkg database on a media and create symlinks |
| 05:54.45 | TCMAN | kergoth: i know, but i just flashed and i have empty card too |
| 05:54.50 | kergoth | and? |
| 05:54.50 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok |
| 05:54.57 | kergoth | start installing apps to it |
| 05:55.20 | TCMAN | kergoth: i know, but first i have to move /home and stuff to mmc card right ? |
| 05:55.26 | kergoth | uh, no. |
| 05:55.31 | kergoth | you can install shit to sd right now. |
| 05:55.40 | kergoth | or you can move shit to sd so that installs to / actually go to sd |
| 05:55.44 | kergoth | two methods. |
| 05:55.46 | kergoth | read the faqs. |
| 05:55.57 | kergoth | myself, i never move opt or home to sd, i install apps there with ipkg |
| 05:55.58 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok |
| 05:57.27 | TCMAN | kergoth: but this way every install will write links to flash, right ? |
| 05:57.35 | kergoth | yes, symlinks |
| 05:57.56 | TCMAN | kergoth: but its still burning out internal flash ? |
| 05:58.08 | kergoth | its writes to flash, yes |
| 05:58.24 | kergoth | the way i see it, my Z will be obselete by the time i wear out my internal flash |
| 05:58.27 | kergoth | so i'll do what i like. |
| 05:58.37 | fliplap | heh |
| 05:59.04 | TCMAN | kergoth: hehe, i just bought the little shit so i am kinda careful with it :) |
| 05:59.11 | kergoth | i've flashed this hundreds of times |
| 05:59.39 | kergoth | and that doesnt count regular use, thats just the full flash |
| 05:59.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:00.31 | HuggyBear | kergoth: Does it have bad bit/block relocation or are you at the mercy of fate if you develop bad bits on the lower addresses of the internal flash? |
| 06:00.47 | kergoth | ibot: tell HuggyBear about jffs2 |
| 06:01.30 | TCMAN | kergoth: the moment of truth - booting latest shapshot :) |
| 06:03.04 | HuggyBear | kergoth: Thanks, but depending on relocation in the filesystem won't help youyou're doing full flash images. Say you develop bad bits on the lower end will the hardware take care of that and work "around" the bad areas or not? |
| 06:03.19 | kergoth | HuggyBear: how should i know? |
| 06:03.28 | kergoth | HuggyBear: no one has the code to the cf updater |
| 06:03.34 | kergoth | other than internal sharp japan folks |
| 06:03.52 | HuggyBear | kergoth: ??? You seemed like a knowledgeable person. I jsut arrived, figured I'd ask. thanks for being civil. |
| 06:04.08 | kergoth | I never claimed to civility |
| 06:04.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:04.20 | kergoth | far from in fact, i'm the local BOFH |
| 06:05.06 | HuggyBear | Excellent! I'm making friends and influencing the "right" people my first time in. :-) |
| 06:05.21 | kergoth | oh indeed, go you! |
| 06:05.33 | TCMAN | like on ipaqs |
| 06:06.18 | TCMAN | kergoth: yay! it works :) |
| 06:06.23 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:06.29 | HuggyBear | :-) |
| 06:07.04 | kergoth | TCMAN: let me know if you find any bugs, i'd like to iron out any kinks so i can get this sucker released. |
| 06:07.12 | HuggyBear | So does anyone have WEP working on a MA701 or WCF11? I can get both cards to work if I disable WEP on my AP but w/WEP they never associate. |
| 06:07.49 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok, adding bugs to sourceforge is ok ? |
| 06:07.55 | kergoth | TCMAN: yep, or pester me on irc |
| 06:08.02 | kergoth | TCMAN: both, preferable |
| 06:08.03 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: i have ma701 and dlink |
| 06:08.04 | kergoth | preferably |
| 06:08.07 | fliplap | well, the quality isn't perfect. but i've got a 21 minute Family Guy episode down to 30 megs, so i can fit 2 of em on a 64meg cf |
| 06:08.20 | fliplap | the quality is still far from terrible |
| 06:08.36 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: hostap driver has software wep |
| 06:08.38 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: You have the 701 working w/WEP? |
| 06:08.47 | fliplap | and it doesn't skip at all |
| 06:08.52 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: yup, both in 64bit and 128bit |
| 06:09.14 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: In OZ 3.1-rc3? |
| 06:09.23 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: and i have hostap running in ap mode on my server/firewall and on my notebook with netgear ma401 too |
| 06:09.43 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: yup, in OZ and in Gentoo and in slackware |
| 06:09.56 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: if setting crap from network settings doesnt work use iwconfig |
| 06:10.16 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: open konsole and set everything from shell using iwconfig |
| 06:10.33 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: I tried iwconfig and that also doesn't seem to work. just iwconfig shows that my key is right but it still won't asscociate. |
| 06:11.24 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: weird |
| 06:11.44 | TCMAN | what is your accesspoint ? |
| 06:12.05 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: yeah...especially when all I have to do to geget it to work is to disable WEP. I have a linksys WAP11 access point. |
| 06:12.37 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: What's even more "swell" is that with the sharp image that came with the unit it wored great even w/WEP. |
| 06:13.03 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: do you have string wep key or hex number ? |
| 06:13.26 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: have you tried hostap driver before on notebook for instance ? |
| 06:13.29 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: HEX key |
| 06:13.44 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: I've nto tried hostap driver. |
| 06:13.47 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: hmm, so there is no problem with key |
| 06:13.55 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: Correct. |
| 06:14.19 | fliplap | opie media player needs a way to keep the lcd on why playing video, like mplayer on the desktop does |
| 06:14.20 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: so it doesnt even associate with accesspoint ? like ap is 44:44:44... in iwconfig ? |
| 06:14.37 | kergoth | fliplap: it should. are you using opie-mediaplayer2, or opie-mediaplayer? |
| 06:14.43 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: Exactly...I get 44:44:44... sucks. |
| 06:14.47 | fliplap | opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 06:15.03 | kergoth | fliplap: op2 should be disabling suspend during playback, or have an option to do so. |
| 06:15.08 | kergoth | fliplap: if not, open a bug in mantis |
| 06:15.09 | kergoth | ibot: opie bugs |
| 06:15.13 | | methinks opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 06:15.13 | fliplap | it doesn't suspend |
| 06:15.18 | fliplap | it just turns off the lcd |
| 06:15.22 | kergoth | huh? |
| 06:15.26 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: does lsmod display hostap hostap_crypt and hostap_crypt_wep modules loaded ? |
| 06:15.27 | kergoth | opie doesnt turn off the lcd |
| 06:15.34 | kergoth | unless you set light & power to not suspend |
| 06:15.46 | fliplap | i do have it set to not suspend |
| 06:15.56 | kergoth | well then |
| 06:15.59 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: Hmm...lemme check. |
| 06:16.20 | fliplap | but thats because i want it to turn off the lcd while playing mp3s |
| 06:16.29 | kergoth | well then. |
| 06:16.40 | kergoth | again, if op2 isnt preventing suspend/lcd off, open a bug. |
| 06:16.48 | fliplap | ok |
| 06:17.01 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: Nope. |
| 06:17.19 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: Just prism2 for the card itself. |
| 06:17.34 | kergoth | 'prism2'? |
| 06:17.43 | kergoth | what rom are you running? |
| 06:18.07 | HuggyBear | kergoth: Latest OZ. |
| 06:18.18 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: on my notebook i have hostap hostap_cs hostap_crypt hostap_crypt_wep |
| 06:18.33 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: my zaurus is not up yet |
| 06:18.39 | kergoth | HuggyBear: uhh, latest oz doesnt mean much |
| 06:18.41 | mspencer | what's the modulo operator in C again? % ? |
| 06:18.45 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: This is on my Z |
| 06:18.46 | kergoth | HuggyBear: there are about 40 different versions available right now |
| 06:18.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:18.51 | kergoth | what _version_ |
| 06:20.11 | mspencer | in function: FindLatestVersion(<comparable> OZversion) : OZversion is not of type 'comparable', so I have no idea what 'latest' means. |
| 06:20.17 | kergoth | heheh |
| 06:20.20 | HuggyBear | ker |
| 06:20.45 | HuggyBear | kergoth: So I downloaded OZ3.1-rc3 is that what you're asking? |
| 06:20.55 | kergoth | i'm asking for the version number in sysinfo |
| 06:21.01 | kergoth | 3.1-rc3, okay |
| 06:21.07 | kergoth | 'latest' is meaningless |
| 06:21.15 | kergoth | 3.1-rc3.1 is latest testing |
| 06:21.21 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: i had 2.38 (???) rom working with dlink card at work |
| 06:21.23 | kergoth | 3.0 is latest stable |
| 06:21.29 | HuggyBear | or do ykergoth: Ok. 0.9.1 |
| 06:21.37 | kergoth | oz3.1-rc3.2-200303272314 is latest unstable |
| 06:21.38 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: the factory ROM |
| 06:21.41 | kergoth | 0.9.1 is an opie version |
| 06:21.42 | kergoth | not OZ |
| 06:21.58 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: I dont know about netgear card though |
| 06:22.21 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: if you want i can sell you my dlink card :)))) |
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| 06:22.46 | HuggyBear | Kergoth: There are two version strings in the sysinfo thingy. The opie version and the kernel version. So the |
| 06:23.06 | kergoth | .. |
| 06:23.17 | kergoth | there are three, technically |
| 06:23.20 | kergoth | kernel, opie, and oz |
| 06:23.34 | kergoth | more generically, kernel, opie, and 'distribution' |
| 06:23.36 | kergoth | which is oz in this case |
| 06:23.40 | kergoth | but is familiar for the ipaq folks |
| 06:24.32 | TCMAN | kergoth: is stuff from opie submitted back to qtopia ? |
| 06:24.35 | HuggyBear | kergoth: I don't see any others in the sysinfo app. If, say, one were given a Z without being told which version of OZ was on it, how'd you go about gaining this knowledge? |
| 06:26.11 | TCMAN | settings -> system info |
| 06:26.21 | kergoth | uhh |
| 06:26.23 | TCMAN | opie 0.9.3 crapshot :) |
| 06:26.34 | TCMAN | kernel 2.4.6-i-hate-sharp |
| 06:26.55 | TCMAN | open zaurus 3.1-rc3.2-still-works :) |
| 06:27.41 | krezel | 3.2 is out? |
| 06:27.42 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: You mean Applications -> System Info ? that's what I'm talking about. |
| 06:27.52 | kergoth | oz version is in sysinfo. |
| 06:27.56 | kergoth | and has been for many versions now. |
| 06:28.08 | kergoth | if it isnt in your Z, etiehr it was a bug at the time, or your z is fucked up. |
| 06:28.15 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: if you have applications->system info its sharp factory rom, not OZ |
| 06:28.39 | kergoth | TCMAN: thats not correct |
| 06:28.45 | kergoth | it was moved to settings only very recently. |
| 06:28.55 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok |
| 06:29.51 | kergoth | reboot time, usb-storage is about to crash my box again |
| 06:29.52 | kergoth | whee |
| 06:29.58 | kergoth | arent uninterruptable mount processes fun? |
| 06:30.32 | HuggyBear | kergoth: Ok I have system info up at this very moment and on the furthest tab to the right...that last tab in fact...I see Opie and then below that I see Linux Kernel. they have version numbers...there's no scroll bar implying something else that I'm not seeing. How then, do I obtain the OZ release used to flash the thing from this data *IF* I had not personally downloaded and done the C+D RESET flashing myself? |
| 06:32.05 | TCMAN | kergoth: yay! ejecting wlan card doesnt fuck up anything now |
| 06:33.00 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: maybe you bought this zaurus with OZ already ? did you buy it in store ? |
| 06:33.42 | TCMAN | kergoth: one buglet - light and power default should be no dimming/turning off with AC power |
| 06:34.36 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: No I flashed the thing myself. I downloaded the OZ 3.1-rc3 from the web page. I chose the 48/24 split images. I put them on the CF card and did all the steps required to flash the thing. Hence my earlier comment about my MA701, my AP, and WEP all working swell. |
| 06:34.53 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: ok |
| 06:35.17 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: i thought you said your ma701 doesnt work |
| 06:35.56 | TCMAN | and definitely "green on black" color setting should be default in console |
| 06:36.10 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: I'm not able to get the same MA701 and the same AP, with the same 128 bit WEP key to work on OZ...the only thing to change. And here I am. No it only _doesn't_ work in OZ 3.1-rc3 and only if I have WEP enabled. If I turn off WEP all is well. Except that I have no encryption..such as it is. |
| 06:37.47 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: Then kergoth kept asking me about what version of OZ I have. Which I kept telling him (I thought latest was sufficient though) but then he mentioned the system info app would have the oz version should one not know it. And here I'm not trying to figure out from the only two version strings I have in front of me how the hell anyone could mangle them into an OZ version. |
| 06:38.28 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: i just installed 3.1rc3.2, popped in ma701, typed in my 64bit key, ejected card, inserted it again and now i am getting apps from openzaurus.org |
| 06:38.59 | TCMAN | kergoth: btw, should i use testing or unstable feed ? |
| 06:39.02 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: Where'd you get rc3.2? |
| 06:39.56 | TCMAN | http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/ |
| 06:44.05 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: Which rootfs? |
| 06:45.01 | TCMAN | latest, and rename to -> initrd.bin |
| 06:45.12 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: the one that ends with 4 |
| 06:45.33 | TCMAN | 200303272314 |
| 06:45.38 | fliplap | uhg, green on black should _not_ be default |
| 06:46.22 | fliplap | the default is fine, and the color is easy to change, no reason to toy with things |
| 06:46.25 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: Ok...have you tried it with a 128 bit key? |
| 06:46.31 | TCMAN | fliplap: just kidding |
| 06:46.40 | TCMAN | fliplap: i tried 3.1rc3.1 and it worked ok |
| 06:48.25 | TCMAN | kick my dumb ass |
| 06:48.45 | TCMAN | i am just trying new card and didnt add it to mac list on my firewall :) |
| 06:50.00 | krezel | is the konqueror package in testing broken? |
| 06:50.20 | TCMAN | but funny part is, it finds some other access point :) maybe my neighbour's ? |
| 06:50.29 | kergoth | TCMAN: use unstable. |
| 06:50.31 | kergoth | krezel: no. |
| 06:50.41 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok, 10x |
| 06:51.03 | krezel | Doesnt seem to install right, I get a bunch of "could not link" messages, and then no icon in the launcher |
| 06:51.15 | kergoth | krezel: installs just great here. |
| 06:51.18 | kergoth | krezel: what rom? |
| 06:51.42 | krezel | OZ 3.1-rc3.1 |
| 06:52.09 | krezel | installing it to SD |
| 06:52.10 | kergoth | konq wont install in rc3.1 without removing ,user from /var in /etc/fstab. |
| 06:52.17 | kergoth | beyond that it is confirmed to work |
| 06:52.24 | TCMAN | kergoth: i did the trick from faq and moved /home /opt and /root to mmc |
| 06:52.40 | krezel | hmm let me try that |
| 06:55.14 | TCMAN | is there midnight commander ipkg in any feed ? |
| 06:57.25 | TCMAN | big question now :) how do i get contacts from my cassiopeia/wince3 to zaurus/oz ? |
| 06:57.53 | krezel | Now I didn't get the link errors, but it still doesnt show up |
| 06:58.02 | fliplap | TCMAN: you could beam them |
| 06:58.22 | TCMAN | fliplap: i tried but 3.1rc3.1 didnt seem to receive anything |
| 06:58.23 | fliplap | beaming works fine from my friends toshiba e740 running pocketpc |
| 06:58.25 | krezel | at least I have the binary now |
| 06:59.02 | fliplap | woop, both episodes fit...with 158k to spare on a 64meg cf |
| 06:59.22 | krezel | Yup... no icon |
| 06:59.37 | TCMAN | fliplap: do i have to do anything special on zaurus except tapping the irda icon and selecting enable irda ? |
| 07:00.16 | fliplap | no that i know of |
| 07:00.29 | fliplap | come to think of it, i haven't had anything beamed since i installed OZ |
| 07:00.36 | fliplap | that was using the sharp rom |
| 07:01.01 | HuggyBear | fliplap: Episodes of what? |
| 07:01.07 | fliplap | family guy |
| 07:01.30 | HuggyBear | fliplap: What app are you using to play them? |
| 07:01.30 | fliplap | get em down to ~31megs a piece, divx5, and still very watchable |
| 07:01.39 | fliplap | opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 07:02.08 | HuggyBear | fliplap: It supports divx natively? |
| 07:02.11 | TCMAN | fliplap: now 3.2 at least is doing something :) |
| 07:02.15 | fliplap | yes |
| 07:02.38 | HuggyBear | fliplap: what res did you size them down to? |
| 07:02.58 | noidd | if I was the experemental download directory, where would I be ... |
| 07:03.19 | fliplap | they were 352x240, so i cropped them to 320x240 (you don't notice the missing pixels on the side) |
| 07:04.11 | TCMAN | fliplap: it discovers wince device but doesnt receive anything |
| 07:04.27 | fliplap | did it mostly to shave off alittle size, these are being scaled down from ~230meg vcds |
| 07:04.33 | HuggyBear | fliplap: Is is possible to make it play them horizontally? |
| 07:04.35 | fliplap | TCMAN: suck |
| 07:04.52 | fliplap | HuggyBear: yes, opie-mediaplayer2 does that when you hit fully screen |
| 07:04.52 | TCMAN | maybe i can export vcards in outlook at work and import vcards :( |
| 07:04.57 | fliplap | s/fully/full/ |
| 07:05.30 | HuggyBear | fliplap: Cool. I'll have to check it out...if I'm able to get my WIFI working. |
| 07:05.32 | fliplap | TCMAN: you don't really even have to export |
| 07:05.46 | fliplap | TCMAN: just sync with the casio, then with the zaurus |
| 07:05.56 | TCMAN | will opie-mediaplayer2 play divx4 or old divx ? |
| 07:06.02 | fliplap | i don't know |
| 07:06.16 | TCMAN | and xvid ? |
| 07:06.19 | fliplap | divx5 is superior anywau |
| 07:06.25 | fliplap | i'm sure it will do xvid |
| 07:06.43 | fliplap | divx5 is xvid for all relative purposes |
| 07:06.58 | TCMAN | fliplap: ok, i am doing xvid only lately |
| 07:07.07 | fliplap | its the the iso standard for mpeg4 iirc |
| 07:07.16 | fliplap | just the even |
| 07:07.42 | TCMAN | what us the difference between konq-snapshot and konq-snapshot-full ? |
| 07:07.57 | fliplap | full includes javascript |
| 07:08.17 | noidd | http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/ # got it |
| 07:08.37 | TCMAN | and is there any icq client ? :))) |
| 07:09.15 | kergoth | no free one. you can get tkcjabber and use the icq transport for their jabber server |
| 07:09.57 | noidd | hmm, reflash time :-) |
| 07:10.03 | TCMAN | kergoth: crap, now it looks like i should install the toolchain on my notebook and roll up my sleeves :) |
| 07:10.04 | noidd | mornin' kergoth |
| 07:10.59 | kergoth | hey noidd |
| 07:11.21 | noidd | how goes it? |
| 07:11.32 | noidd | downloading the latest image, gonna thrash it |
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| 07:18.26 | kergoth | noidd: let me know if you have problems with apps not appearing as icons on the taskbar |
| 07:24.45 | TCMAN | what is opie-formatter ? |
| 07:25.01 | kergoth | a .. formatter |
| 07:25.11 | kergoth | its for formatting cards. |
| 07:25.25 | TCMAN | kergoth: it could as well format text for instance :) |
| 07:25.47 | kergoth | uh, most people call that a word processor |
| 07:25.48 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:26.42 | TCMAN | kergoth: every procesor processes words :) and bytes, and dwords :) |
| 07:27.17 | kergoth | bah |
| 07:27.19 | kergoth | ~lart TCMAN |
| 07:28.01 | TCMAN | n00bs attack :)) sorry for my stupid questions :) |
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| 07:30.48 | mantus | has anyone gotten xmms or konqueror to work with rc3.1? |
| 07:30.57 | kergoth | konq works fine |
| 07:31.02 | kergoth | if you remove ,user from /var in /etc/fstab |
| 07:31.16 | TCMAN | kergoth: you should have it as macro :) |
| 07:31.20 | kergoth | as outlined by me on our mailing lists |
| 07:31.22 | kergoth | yeah no kidding |
| 07:31.29 | kergoth | i answer that one a few times a day, at least |
| 07:32.27 | noidd | will do |
| 07:32.55 | kergoth | noidd: nevermind, false alarm |
| 07:33.01 | kergoth | this image seems pretty solid atm |
| 07:33.31 | noidd | ok, cool |
| 07:33.35 | mantus | will that adversly affect anything else? |
| 07:35.15 | kergoth | no. |
| 07:37.05 | mantus | sorry if im telling you something you already know, but in shudown, reboot does nothing |
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| 07:38.10 | untorn_Z | anyone know how to get opiw-kpacman working, I am getting a schemes error. |
| 07:38.15 | kergoth | mantus: known, reported, bug closed, fixed, 6 unstable images have been released since |
| 07:38.27 | mantus | ok |
| 07:38.51 | kergoth | mantus: we have a bug tracking system |
| 07:38.54 | kergoth | use it :) |
| 07:39.00 | HuggyBear | In the FAQ it says that if you're flashing from a micro drive it will take longer than from a CF card. What's the reason for this, if known? And does this mean that a micro drive is slower than CF in all cases as well? (i.e. normal use?) By what factor, again, if known? |
| 07:39.16 | mantus | i know, but i just figured that out and your here |
| 07:39.22 | untorn_Z | "there are no schemes defined, or no scheme is selected" |
| 07:39.57 | fliplap | untorn_Z: google |
| 07:40.00 | fliplap | i got it working |
| 07:40.02 | kergoth | HuggyBear: microdrive is slower in general |
| 07:40.07 | kergoth | HuggyBear: i dont have performance numbers offhand |
| 07:40.09 | mantus | and opera crashes when loading www.openzaurus.org (as well as www.opera.com) |
| 07:40.23 | fliplap | you need to copy kpacman.conf to ~/Settings |
| 07:40.39 | HuggyBear | kergoth: Thanks. It is a good thing, then, that I did not invest the $250 for one. :-) |
| 07:40.48 | fliplap | i forget where kpacman.conf is located tho find /|grep kpacman.conf |
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| 07:42.27 | mantus | so, by chance, anyone attending rubi-con this weekend? |
| 07:43.00 | untorn_Z | fliplap thanks |
| 07:43.22 | noidd | kergoth: is it you I have to bribe to get a package added to the feeds? |
| 07:43.33 | kergoth | or anyone else with bk push access |
| 07:43.39 | kergoth | nothing goes into the feeds unless its in our buildsystem |
| 07:43.48 | kergoth | what would you like? |
| 07:43.51 | kergoth | i have a bunch i want myself |
| 07:43.53 | kergoth | ncftp, etc |
| 07:44.19 | raceme[away] | vim ? ;) |
| 07:44.28 | kergoth | vim's in unstable |
| 07:44.43 | raceme[away] | wonderful ! :) |
| 07:45.41 | noidd | ah, could be a problem then |
| 07:45.49 | raceme[away] | is there a way to find the irda speed when i am connected with a mobile phone ? |
| 07:45.49 | noidd | Kinda wanted perl |
| 07:45.50 | djr | vim is back?! |
| 07:45.52 | djr | :) |
| 07:45.56 | kergoth | perl isnt crosscompilable |
| 07:46.00 | noidd | but its a complete bitch to build |
| 07:46.02 | kergoth | i once spent 5 hours on it |
| 07:46.05 | djr | i have perl on my zaurus |
| 07:46.07 | kergoth | not gonna happen |
| 07:46.08 | djr | 5.6.1 |
| 07:46.17 | djr | i have the ipk |
| 07:46.19 | kergoth | yes, you do, it was built native |
| 07:46.23 | kergoth | not crosscompilable. |
| 07:46.24 | djr | hehe |
| 07:46.28 | noidd | short of re-building the compile system, its not gonna compile |
| 07:46.29 | djr | so whats wrong with using that perl? |
| 07:46.38 | kergoth | are you fucking deaf? |
| 07:46.42 | kergoth | 01:44 <@kergoth> nothing goes into the feeds unless its in our buildsystem |
| 07:46.48 | kergoth | ^^^^^^ |
| 07:46.54 | djr | ah |
| 07:47.01 | kergoth | binary ipks do not go into our feeds |
| 07:47.12 | djr | hehe, im not deaf... i only have like 5 liens of text on my screen |
| 07:47.14 | djr | i dont wanna scroll up |
| 07:47.15 | djr | ehehe |
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| 07:47.48 | kergoth | ircing from a Z? |
| 07:50.58 | noidd | kergoth: the only way we'd get perl to cross-compile is if we hard-wired the correct vcalues for the ./configure equiv |
| 07:51.24 | noidd | would that as a patch be acceptable, not that I think I have the skills to do it - but would you accept it if I could? |
| 07:51.34 | kergoth | yes |
| 07:51.39 | kergoth | whatever hacks are necessary |
| 07:51.44 | noidd | its just fooking ugly, but I can't think of another way apart from a complete rebuld of the build system |
| 07:51.44 | kergoth | we have some ugly ones for other packages |
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| 07:51.49 | kergoth | python we have to build a x86 python |
| 07:51.52 | noidd | ok, thanks man |
| 07:51.52 | kergoth | then use that to build the target |
| 07:51.57 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 07:51.58 | noidd | hehe |
| 07:51.58 | kergoth | heheh |
| 07:52.30 | oGMo | i think compiling modula-3 should be the #1 priority |
| 07:55.54 | TCMAN | midnight commander !!! |
| 08:01.55 | djr | kergoth: yeah... kinda... using irssi... just sshed in from the z |
| 08:02.51 | kergoth | djr: ah |
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| 08:03.23 | djr | only cause im in the kitchen eating |
| 08:03.24 | djr | hehe |
| 08:03.34 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: Ok I finally got the thing flashed with OZ3.1-rc3.2 I put in my MA701, fired up the network app, set it for WEP enabled, shared key, and in key 1 entered my hex key. I still get the flashy link (un associated) and have the 44:44:44:... bit for the AP address. I do, now, have the hostap stuff. So what magic must I perform now? |
| 08:04.23 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: try setting essid manually and see if it will help |
| 08:04.24 | djr | is there a way to see more of the description inside aqpkg? |
| 08:05.57 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: I did that, also, through the network ap, and it shows in the iwconfig output, as AP. |
| 08:06.16 | kergoth | djr: double tab |
| 08:06.21 | kergoth | djr: er double tap |
| 08:07.01 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: any chance you typed in the key wrong or maybe you have MAC filtering on access point ? |
| 08:07.07 | djr | ive tried that a lot, it doesnt do anything for me |
| 08:07.29 | noidd | kergoth: I just asked on #london.pm and one of the guys there (our local XS guru) has a working version of config.sh with the Z values hard-coded |
| 08:07.50 | noidd | kergoth: he got it through 80% odd of a native compile befgore it ran out of memory |
| 08:08.21 | noidd | so, this may be doable |
| 08:08.32 | kergoth | well, thats native of course |
| 08:08.33 | noidd | i'll re-download the cross-compile tools again and try to run it through |
| 08:08.44 | kergoth | cool |
| 08:08.44 | noidd | yeah, thats native.. but it has the right answers |
| 08:08.48 | noidd | which is what matters |
| 08:08.59 | kergoth | yep |
| 08:09.07 | noidd | mind if I ask which of the cross-compile toolchains you use? |
| 08:09.13 | kergoth | ibot: oz toolchain |
| 08:09.17 | | somebody said oz toolchain was http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 08:09.17 | noidd | there seem to be 3 or 4 in the wild |
| 08:09.20 | kergoth | more than that. |
| 08:09.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 08:09.34 | noidd | thanks ;-) |
| 08:09.44 | kergoth | read the readme |
| 08:09.49 | kergoth | you want 2.95.3, oz-1.1 |
| 08:10.03 | kergoth | its erikm's 2.95.3 toolchain from ftp.arm.linux.org.uk, with newer binutils |
| 08:10.43 | noidd | muchos thanks |
| 08:10.47 | noidd | ah, Z finsihed flahsing :-0 |
| 08:11.13 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: I've checked and double checked the encryption key from the iwconfig output and that matches the router version. Now is there a special way this must be entered? I added it ala c9d9e9f90203 etc but iwconfig shows it up as 4byte hex-4byte hex-etc and the access point shows it in 2byte hex SPACE 2byte hex etc. Which is the "right" way. In the Sharp rom I just entered it in one continuous hex string but maybe this is differ |
| 08:11.59 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: it either has to be 5 byte for 40 bit encryption or 13 byte for 128 bit encryption |
| 08:12.04 | kergoth | HuggyBear: continuous is fine |
| 08:12.10 | kergoth | something else is going on, it doesnt sound like user error. |
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| 08:14.13 | HuggyBear | TCPMAN: Yes I have 13...and they are currently entered continuously. I still have no love. |
| 08:16.20 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: something must be broken then |
| 08:16.52 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: do you have notebook with linux to try this card? |
| 08:16.59 | noidd | note to self. Network will not come up if the wifi card is sitting on the desk 4 feet from my zaurus |
| 08:17.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:19.00 | TCMAN | noidd: isnt it wireless ? :)))) |
| 08:19.53 | noidd | gah, network issues again - debugging |
| 08:20.12 | HuggyBear | TCMAN: Nope. I know the card works though...I just turned off WEP and I can do 'net things. |
| 08:20.58 | TCMAN | HuggyBear: weird |
| 08:21.03 | noidd | nm, i'm just very impatient |
| 08:21.07 | noidd | :-) |
| 08:22.04 | TCMAN | i just tried 3com 3c589d and it says its anonymous memory |
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| 08:22.21 | kergoth | TCMAN: that indicates hardware prob |
| 08:22.38 | kergoth | generally |
| 08:24.15 | TCMAN | kergoth: the card works in notebook, i use the cf->pcmcia converter |
| 08:24.30 | TCMAN | kergoth: maybe its because cf doesnt have all pcmcia address lines |
| 08:24.39 | kergoth | then its a Z kernel problem, and isnt oz specific |
| 08:24.50 | kergoth | that means it wasnt able to read the card info from teh card itself |
| 08:24.54 | kergoth | Bad Thing |
| 08:26.18 | TCMAN | trendnet cf-te100 works :) |
| 08:29.15 | TCMAN | maybe this etherlink needs too much juice |
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| 09:07.50 | mchang | anyone home? |
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| 09:20.41 | Speedy2 | re |
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| 09:23.23 | mantus | is there any way to block any incoming ssh connections? |
| 09:23.46 | Speedy2 | Wow |
| 09:23.55 | Speedy2 | Sony is using an XScale and has Palm OS 5 on it! |
| 09:25.12 | mantus | speedy: that unit is $800 ... they ought to be using the 400MHz verion for that money |
| 09:25.55 | Speedy2 | Well, they shouldn't be using the XScale at all IMO, it's a POS |
| 09:26.02 | Speedy2 | But I'm surprised Sony's using XScale... |
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| 09:26.09 | George- | God damn router |
| 09:26.09 | Speedy2 | Sony, in the past, has been a big MIPS user. |
| 09:26.55 | mantus | speedy: the last (first os5 unit) had a strong arm 200mhz |
| 09:27.44 | Speedy2 | Last == Sony device? |
| 09:28.40 | George- | We're not talking about those over-rated clies, are we? |
| 09:28.43 | mantus | yea, the clie released b4 the $800 unit |
| 09:29.12 | Speedy2 | Wow. I guess Palm has now gone completely ARM... |
| 09:29.46 | mantus | so, is there anyway to run iptables on the Z? |
| 09:29.59 | Speedy2 | mantus: Is there any reason why it shouldn't run? |
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| 09:30.52 | mantus | speedy: doesnt it require kernel modules? |
| 09:32.43 | Speedy2 | It might, but those you can insmod...right? |
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| 09:33.20 | mantus | yea, but i dont have z kernel voodoo like kergoth does |
| 09:35.07 | yeiazel | why don't you just try ? |
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| 09:36.41 | mantus | yeizel: dont have a system with a cross compiler handy |
| 09:37.28 | yeiazel | mantus: why do you need a cross compiler ? |
| 09:38.05 | mantus | yeiazel: to compile the module |
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| 09:41.14 | Speedy2 | SMTP is usually on port 25, right? I'm trying to setup my mail client and it's not cooperating. |
| 09:41.28 | yeiazel | mantus: it's already compiled |
| 09:42.16 | yeiazel | mantus: I've just verified, as you didn't want to try by yourself |
| 09:42.29 | yeiazel | and if you want to disable ssh access, just shut down the ssh server |
| 09:42.54 | mantus | isnt ssh required? |
| 09:46.52 | Speedy2 | SMPT, ports, which is it? |
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| 09:51.21 | Speedy2 | Heh. Just found "Dutch.Qt". Pretty great. |
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| 10:03.11 | mantus | im using opie irc, could some /msg the chan title? |
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| 10:08.21 | Speedy2 | Did you get it yet mantus? |
| 10:09.04 | mantus | yea, thanks |
| 10:13.33 | phoen][x | mantus: just use /topic ? |
| 10:14.26 | mantus | anyone using the 3.2 initrd? |
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| 10:16.42 | George- | Anyone here know how to work the LinkSys 4-port switch + Wireless lan + router? |
| 10:16.54 | George- | I can't get it to work with my ADSL modem... doesn't like PPPoA |
| 10:16.56 | George- | :( |
| 10:17.26 | mantus | is it a 'dsl |
| 10:17.32 | mantus | router? |
| 10:17.47 | George- | yes |
| 10:18.02 | George- | But ISPs only use PPPoA in the UK |
| 10:18.05 | George- | and it doesn't like it |
| 10:18.12 | George- | but apparently, it's possible to get working |
| 10:18.14 | George- | (somehow) |
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| 10:19.32 | mantus | whats pppoa? |
| 10:19.43 | djr | a? |
| 10:19.51 | djr | or you mean e? |
| 10:20.02 | yeiazel | PPP over ATM |
| 10:20.07 | djr | ehehe |
| 10:20.57 | mantus | i imagine he means e, but it is UK, maybe they do funky shit over there |
| 10:21.16 | djr | maybe |
| 10:21.54 | mantus | if its pppoe you are talking about, youll need a dsl (pppoe capable) router or a dedicated box |
| 10:23.56 | yeiazel | George-: if I'm not wrong, pppoe or pppoa choice depends on the modem, not on the isp |
| 10:24.25 | George- | mantus: I'm talking about PPPoA |
| 10:24.44 | George- | yeiazel: I don't think so |
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| 10:38.41 | HuggyBear | irc from the z...neat! |
| 10:40.12 | djr | heh |
| 10:40.26 | djr | i jsut ssh to my bsd box and use screen and irssi |
| 10:40.34 | djr | im on my Z now |
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| 14:18.07 | minipanda | oh! i meet an very strange problem that i never care about before! why i can not use <tab> to complete my command when i use telnet connected with zaurus? |
| 14:18.23 | icefox | Morning |
| 14:18.55 | minipanda | i've tried under zaurus local terminal! that it can use <tab> to complete the command and filenames very convinient! |
| 14:19.08 | icefox | type bash first |
| 14:19.51 | minipanda | but i've "su -" ! so i think that i've use the .profile! :-( |
| 14:20.08 | Wintre | root's default shell isn't bash, apparently |
| 14:26.27 | mithro | it's sh |
| 14:29.43 | minipanda | icefox, Wintre, mithro ! thanks in advence! that's my fault! :-) |
| 14:31.44 | phoen][x | usermod -s /bin/bash root |
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| 14:46.45 | pnkypndr_Z | what is the HSN deal? |
| 14:47.06 | pnkypndr_Z | oh how rude... hi guys |
| 14:48.16 | icefox | pnkypndr_Z: see topic |
| 14:48.22 | icefox | 199 for a z |
| 14:48.42 | pnkypndr_Z | oh WOW |
| 14:48.56 | pnkypndr_Z | i'm new to the Zaurus world |
| 14:49.06 | pnkypndr_Z | in fact, i haven't even birthed myself yet |
| 14:49.17 | pnkypndr_Z | i'm looking into using the platform for a grad school project |
| 14:50.05 | pnkypndr_Z | so, is it the best thing since sliced bread? |
| 14:50.19 | pnkypndr_Z | i've read the info, now i want a few testimonials |
| 14:53.22 | pnkypndr_Z | especially since i'll be paying for everything out-of-pocket |
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| 15:06.29 | doughecka | is there a net stumbler app for the zaurus? |
| 15:07.58 | phoen][x | kismet? |
| 15:08.10 | phoen][x | wellenreiter? |
| 15:08.11 | doughecka | hm |
| 15:08.53 | doughecka | cool |
| 15:09.02 | phoen][x | not sure if thats what you want |
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| 15:10.24 | doughecka | huh |
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| 15:11.45 | Klu5ter | lo all |
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| 15:15.40 | George- | f'ing modem |
| 15:16.00 | krezel | Your modem fucks? thats kinda cool |
| 15:16.36 | George- | krezel: well, that fact that it's such a borked ethernet modem it won't work with my router... |
| 15:16.45 | krezel | Ah |
| 15:16.50 | George- | Heck, it won't even run on my Athlon-Linux desktop |
| 15:16.56 | George- | I want a refund damnit! |
| 15:17.07 | George- | http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware/reviews/2002/q1/sar_703.asp |
| 15:17.13 | George- | So I can go get one of these babies ;) |
| 15:17.40 | George- | modem/router combo for under 60 GBP :) |
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| 15:31.47 | doughecka | why would a zaurus boot up to the sharp screen, and stop there? |
| 15:32.45 | doughecka | would it be because a miss-flashed rom? |
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| 15:33.38 | doughecka | ~country .no |
| 15:33.39 | | somebody said country .no was norway |
| 15:34.31 | tux_mike | kergoth: ping |
| 15:35.57 | doughecka | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3014906455&category=15030 |
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| 15:36.04 | doughecka | 103 for a "broken" zaurus |
| 15:38.17 | tux_mike | iesh |
| 15:39.13 | doughecka | ? |
| 15:39.31 | tux_mike | why would you pay that much for something that is broke |
| 15:39.40 | doughecka | it aint broke |
| 15:40.09 | doughecka | its got the flashing cursor thing :) |
| 15:50.55 | gabe | mornin |
| 15:51.33 | doughecka | 'lo gabe |
| 15:51.38 | gabe | ooh |
| 15:51.44 | gabe | new roms from last night |
| 15:51.47 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:52.13 | doughecka | no kidding |
| 15:52.41 | doughecka | hmm |
| 15:53.15 | gabe | i cant set my WEP stuff for my wifi card currently, heh |
| 15:53.24 | gabe | bah, where's the fun in that? |
| 15:53.31 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:53.41 | gabe | it doesn't have the instant rotation |
| 15:54.08 | doughecka | what for? the keyboard isnt turned that way either |
| 15:54.16 | gabe | the onscreen one is |
| 15:54.20 | doughecka | untill the rom can get the keyboard turned... |
| 15:54.23 | gabe | i use konqueror that way |
| 15:54.26 | doughecka | bah |
| 15:54.29 | doughecka | :) |
| 15:54.41 | gabe | it's considerably easier to view web content with more horizontal space |
| 15:54.49 | doughecka | true |
| 15:55.10 | gabe | you can use the directional pad to scroll the page |
| 15:55.31 | doughecka | does a zaurus with a flashing cursor mean its toast? |
| 15:55.41 | doughecka | irreparible? |
| 15:55.43 | gabe | flashing cursor? |
| 15:55.53 | doughecka | yea, stuck at the splash screen |
| 15:55.58 | gabe | hah |
| 15:56.00 | gabe | just flash it |
| 15:56.05 | doughecka | thats it? |
| 15:56.13 | doughecka | nothing else would make it do that? |
| 15:56.29 | gabe | hahaha |
| 15:56.33 | gabe | holy crap that's funny |
| 15:56.37 | doughecka | very |
| 15:56.47 | gabe | i bet if you flash it there will be no problems with it |
| 15:56.54 | doughecka | how much? |
| 15:57.00 | doughecka | ;P |
| 15:57.07 | gabe | does it come with the power cord? |
| 15:57.12 | doughecka | nope |
| 15:57.15 | gabe | it just says usb cradle |
| 15:57.16 | gabe | shit |
| 15:57.16 | doughecka | yea |
| 15:57.24 | zoid | damn, kergoth put up another rom last night, heh |
| 15:57.26 | doughecka | but walmart has powersupplysd |
| 15:57.27 | doughecka | http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/47/46754/25208b.jpg |
| 15:57.29 | zoid | wonder what's new in that one |
| 15:57.31 | gabe | zoid: two even! |
| 15:57.50 | zoid | gabe: heh, geez |
| 15:57.57 | doughecka | that would mean I would need to get a CF card though |
| 15:58.05 | doughecka | to reflash it, and a reader too |
| 15:58.10 | doughecka | hum |
| 15:58.16 | zoid | gabe: if you find anything new worth reflashing for, let me know :) |
| 15:58.28 | gabe | k |
| 15:58.39 | gabe | doughecka: way cheap |
| 15:58.44 | doughecka | yup |
| 15:58.57 | gabe | reader = $10-15, 16MB flash < $20 |
| 15:58.57 | doughecka | :) |
| 15:59.02 | gabe | doughecka: i love sniping :) |
| 15:59.08 | doughecka | gabe: bah, 32 meg CF is <20 |
| 15:59.12 | doughecka | :) |
| 15:59.14 | doughecka | yea |
| 15:59.20 | gabe | doughecka: yeah, i got 128MB for $35 |
| 15:59.26 | doughecka | wow |
| 15:59.40 | gabe | newegg.com |
| 16:01.08 | doughecka | SD card for 35 bucks? |
| 16:01.10 | doughecka | wow |
| 16:01.15 | doughecka | free shipping too |
| 16:01.19 | doughecka | double wow |
| 16:01.20 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:01.31 | gabe | yeah |
| 16:01.40 | gabe | you need CF to flash tho |
| 16:01.46 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:01.48 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:02.25 | doughecka | 19 bucks for 32 meg CF |
| 16:02.31 | doughecka | free shipping (I think) |
| 16:02.53 | gabe | flashing |
| 16:03.03 | gabe | doughecka: yeah, it's either free, or like $5 |
| 16:03.14 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:03.16 | doughecka | cool |
| 16:03.22 | doughecka | too bad you need a credit card |
| 16:03.25 | doughecka | :( |
| 16:05.22 | doughecka | huh |
| 16:05.30 | gabe | boot |
| 16:05.40 | doughecka | ebay: CF-Cards Canon 16 MB, Viking 32 MB = 8 bucks |
| 16:06.07 | gabe | i'd go with the viking |
| 16:06.19 | gabe | viking, apacer, transcend all have good speeds |
| 16:06.27 | doughecka | no, thats for both of them |
| 16:06.29 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:06.33 | gabe | oh, nice |
| 16:06.37 | doughecka | 13 hours left |
| 16:09.49 | doughecka | how much would YOU pay for a non-flashed zaurus? |
| 16:09.58 | gabe | i dunno |
| 16:10.07 | doughecka | normal price? |
| 16:10.10 | gabe | if you can get it for around $100, and you've got $100 to lose, go for it |
| 16:10.29 | doughecka | :Z |
| 16:10.33 | Pendalar | I like lexar, they are cheap and afaik they all work as flawlessly as the rest |
| 16:10.36 | gabe | doughecka: most likely it's a problem with the rom |
| 16:10.40 | doughecka | Pendalar: ok |
| 16:10.53 | doughecka | gabe: as in flashed or hardware? |
| 16:10.55 | Pendalar | and even walmart carries em ;-) |
| 16:10.58 | doughecka | heh |
| 16:10.58 | gabe | doughecka: flashed |
| 16:11.01 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:11.11 | gabe | don't take my word for it though |
| 16:11.16 | Pendalar | and I can recommend the lexar memory reader as well, the all in one one anyways |
| 16:11.20 | gabe | there *could* be a problem with the hardware |
| 16:11.29 | doughecka | Pendalar: how about those PCMCIA readers? |
| 16:11.39 | doughecka | gabe: thats what I am afriad of... :) |
| 16:11.48 | Pendalar | mine was $29.99 and it reads sd/mmc/cf/sm/ms |
| 16:11.53 | Pendalar | not too shabby |
| 16:11.55 | doughecka | but if the rom was toast, where would the kernel boot from? |
| 16:12.11 | Pendalar | the kernel wouldn't boot til you reflashed the rom |
| 16:12.16 | Pendalar | if it's reflashable |
| 16:12.20 | doughecka | the kernel boots, initd or whatever is missing (from FAQ) I think |
| 16:12.35 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:12.44 | Pendalar | prob the igit put it up after having a failed OZ installation , and didn't have a memory card reader to try again |
| 16:13.00 | doughecka | heh, most likly |
| 16:13.04 | doughecka | hm |
| 16:13.23 | doughecka | 1 hours, 31 mins + and still at $103 |
| 16:14.44 | Pendalar | at least with a sl5500 though which was messed up you could buy a new one, swap the device, and return it |
| 16:15.00 | Pendalar | there's a link to email the guy |
| 16:15.11 | Pendalar | ask him if it was fried during a OS install |
| 16:15.18 | Pendalar | if he says yes grab it |
| 16:16.19 | Pendalar | see you guys tuesday morning |
| 16:16.24 | Pendalar | off to work my 4 days |
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| 16:18.06 | doughecka | heh |
| 16:19.39 | doughecka | [11:14] <Pendalar> at least with a sl5500 though which was messed up you could buy a new one, swap the device, and return it |
| 16:19.43 | doughecka | whats he mean? |
| 16:20.22 | gabe | you could go to a store, plop down $500 for a brand new one, swap them and return it |
| 16:20.33 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:20.34 | gabe | but there are serial #s on each device, so that may not work ;) |
| 16:20.59 | doughecka | hmm, interesting |
| 16:21.16 | gabe | not without messing up the case |
| 16:21.20 | doughecka | not compleatly honest |
| 16:21.33 | doughecka | nor I dont have 500 to plop down |
| 16:21.40 | gabe | heh |
| 16:21.58 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:22.03 | doughecka | email sent |
| 16:22.03 | gabe | doughecka: it's a risk, yeah |
| 16:22.22 | doughecka | yea... but what else could do the same error? |
| 16:22.59 | doughecka | heres the FAQ |
| 16:23.04 | doughecka | I flashed OpenZaurus and it's stuck with the logo and a flashing cursor! what do I do? |
| 16:23.17 | gabe | hehe |
| 16:23.29 | doughecka | This generally indicates that the zImage flashed, but the initrd.bin did not. Ensure that you renamed it to initrd.bin. Try flashing the unit again. If it still does not succeed, try formatting the CF (CompactFlash) card, and try again. |
| 16:23.46 | doughecka | sounds awfully like this one |
| 16:24.12 | gabe | yeah |
| 16:24.38 | doughecka | what would happen if I unplugged the device during a flash? |
| 16:24.46 | doughecka | would it cause the same thing? |
| 16:25.44 | gabe | unplugged what? the cf card? or the power? |
| 16:25.50 | doughecka | power |
| 16:25.57 | gabe | probably nothing bad |
| 16:26.01 | doughecka | hm |
| 16:26.22 | gabe | i think they tell you to keep the power in just to make sure it cant run out of power, the battery might fall or whatever since the case is open |
| 16:26.36 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:26.47 | gabe | the cf card on the other hand.. i dunno. it probably will just fail to flash it |
| 16:27.12 | doughecka | huh |
| 16:28.32 | doughecka | AND it has a USB cradle... no dinky serial cable :) |
| 16:29.11 | gabe | hm. a little glitch with the network settings in this new rom |
| 16:29.19 | doughecka | uh oh |
| 16:29.20 | gabe | but i can at least configure my wlan now |
| 16:29.22 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:29.31 | kergoth | gabe: open a bug in the BTS |
| 16:29.35 | doughecka | bleeding death indeed |
| 16:29.38 | kergoth | morning btw |
| 16:29.39 | gabe | BTS? |
| 16:29.44 | kergoth | bug tracking system |
| 16:29.47 | gabe | kergoth: mornin, thanks for new roms :) |
| 16:29.51 | kergoth | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=43045&atid=434956 |
| 16:30.08 | gabe | k, it just didn't get my gateway correctly when i reconfigured wlan0 |
| 16:30.08 | _Psycho_ | new collie rom ? |
| 16:30.15 | kergoth | yes |
| 16:30.28 | gabe | otherwise known as breakfast |
| 16:30.29 | _Psycho_ | ah ok ! |
| 16:30.29 | _Psycho_ | hehe |
| 16:30.31 | kergoth | 3.0 is aging and decrepit, i should release this regardless of what bugs it contains |
| 16:30.42 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:30.47 | _Psycho_ | not working today |
| 16:30.54 | gabe | kergoth: hehe. it's very usable :) |
| 16:30.57 | kergoth | _Psycho_: built a corgi image today |
| 16:30.59 | kergoth | _Psycho_: er last night |
| 16:30.59 | _Psycho_ | but i wont have my new car, so its not good =p |
| 16:31.05 | kergoth | _Psycho_: going to hack on it some today |
| 16:31.05 | doughecka | :( |
| 16:31.06 | kergoth | ibot: corgi |
| 16:31.07 | | methinks corgi is sharp sl-c700, or a dog |
| 16:31.07 | _Psycho_ | ah didnt saw it on offical |
| 16:31.14 | kergoth | nah its for my testing |
| 16:31.21 | _Psycho_ | yeah ok |
| 16:31.22 | kergoth | i'm going to fix the qt/e tslib patch and start on the keymap |
| 16:31.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:31.36 | _Psycho_ | its not on the BK either sint ? |
| 16:31.39 | kergoth | once the tslib patch is fixed i'll throw an experimental image up for you to play with |
| 16:31.47 | _Psycho_ | yeah would be fun |
| 16:31.53 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:32.00 | _Psycho_ | ok |
| 16:32.09 | _Psycho_ | gonna go make some food i guess |
| 16:35.00 | doughecka | hmm, that zaurus doesnt have a screen protector |
| 16:35.02 | doughecka | :( |
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| 16:36.21 | doughecka | a vandal! hide your valubles! |
| 16:37.46 | krezel | Hmm... so far, my google search on San Jose has gotten me such fun things as the SJ Museum of Quilts and the SJ Gay Pride website |
| 16:38.10 | gabe | kergoth: bug filed |
| 16:38.28 | gabe | heh |
| 16:38.33 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:38.56 | gabe | there's a REALLY good mongolian bbq place in downtown san jose, Mongo's |
| 16:39.06 | krezel | Ah.. Mongolian BBQ, we have one of those here |
| 16:39.16 | gabe | there's one in boston, but it's not the same |
| 16:39.18 | doughecka | hmm, we have a mongolian grill |
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| 16:39.27 | krezel | I think theyre all the same thing |
| 16:39.28 | doughecka | they cook it on a gient griddle |
| 16:39.33 | doughecka | right? |
| 16:39.37 | gabe | yeah |
| 16:39.39 | krezel | yes and you get to hit gongs and stuff |
| 16:39.39 | gabe | mmm |
| 16:39.44 | gabe | what?! |
| 16:39.46 | warmi | hi |
| 16:39.48 | gabe | i never got to hit any gongs! |
| 16:39.49 | doughecka | I don tget to |
| 16:39.56 | krezel | Yeah if you give them a tip, you can hit the gong |
| 16:39.57 | gabe | warmi: did you ever get to hit any gongs? |
| 16:40.04 | gabe | damn |
| 16:40.12 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:40.14 | gabe | heh |
| 16:40.25 | krezel | That must be traumatizing |
| 16:40.35 | doughecka | very |
| 16:40.41 | warmi | uh |
| 16:40.46 | doughecka | warmi: no gongs? |
| 16:40.54 | doughecka | bummer |
| 16:41.01 | warmi | I don't think so .. not really |
| 16:41.25 | doughecka | huh |
| 16:41.28 | gabe | ok, maybe now that i've got a proper gateway setup i can update my pacakge lists |
| 16:41.34 | doughecka | too bad, they are great devices |
| 16:41.53 | krezel | Only in San Jose would Logitech own the ice arena |
| 16:42.02 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:42.08 | gabe | you'd think Adobe might... |
| 16:42.29 | gabe | downtown san jose is pretty nice |
| 16:42.39 | doughecka | downtown louisville is pretty nice |
| 16:42.42 | krezel | Sweet... San Jose "Hells Angels": http://www.hamcsj.com/ |
| 16:42.47 | doughecka | but hey, its a free country :) |
| 16:42.53 | doughecka | or was |
| 16:43.04 | warmi | btw . what the heck are "gongs" and on a more general note - what the heck are you guys talking about ? :-) |
| 16:43.21 | doughecka | warmi: everything but about zauruses |
| 16:43.48 | warmi | ah ok .. fair enough |
| 16:43.52 | doughecka | cuz they are so l33t you dont need to talk about 'em, they solve all problems, etc |
| 16:43.56 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:44.05 | krezel | warmi: Havent you ever seen the "Gong Show"? |
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| 16:44.27 | doughecka | hey MacGyver, ever hit a gong before? |
| 16:44.29 | krezel | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.inspirationsshop.com/assetfiles/gong.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.inspirationsshop.com/department.asp%3FDepartmentID%3D8&h=198&w=216&prev=/images%3Fq%3DGong%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN |
| 16:44.48 | MacGyver | ?? |
| 16:44.51 | MacGyver | what ? |
| 16:44.52 | gabe | so, kergoth mentioned there was some way to get packages installed on an SD/CF to be recognized by OZ with ipkg |
| 16:44.57 | gabe | anyone know how to do that? |
| 16:45.00 | doughecka | a mongolian gong to be specific |
| 16:45.18 | MacGyver | doughecka / |
| 16:45.21 | MacGyver | doughecka ? |
| 16:45.39 | MacGyver | haha |
| 16:45.40 | MacGyver | ccc |
| 16:45.53 | doughecka | huh |
| 16:45.57 | doughecka | that dint work |
| 16:46.00 | MacGyver | do you have GBA emu ? |
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| 16:46.06 | doughecka | nope |
| 16:46.15 | doughecka | do you have a africa emu? |
| 16:46.20 | MacGyver | no |
| 16:46.24 | doughecka | good |
| 16:46.27 | doughecka | they spit |
| 16:46.27 | MacGyver | what game on your zaurs / |
| 16:46.30 | MacGyver | what game on your zaurs ? |
| 16:46.32 | krezel[laptop] | africa emu? |
| 16:46.49 | doughecka | african emu |
| 16:47.14 | MacGyver | cool ? |
| 16:48.00 | MacGyver | ccc |
| 16:48.06 | MacGyver | plam os 4.1 ? |
| 16:48.15 | doughecka | what ever rom I pick |
| 16:48.34 | treke | palmos 4 probable wont work in the current emulators |
| 16:48.43 | doughecka | hm |
| 16:49.08 | treke | palm4 doesnt run on the old cpus as far as I know |
| 16:49.59 | MacGyver | where is african emu URL? |
| 16:50.00 | gabe | woah |
| 16:50.10 | gabe | my powerbook is actually compiling kismet-qt for zaurus |
| 16:50.14 | gabe | keeen |
| 16:51.01 | MacGyver | i want use usb connect winxp to internet |
| 16:51.05 | MacGyver | how to ? |
| 16:51.17 | doughecka | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.cpb.ouhsc.edu/okc/okczoo/Emu0196.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.cpb.ouhsc.edu/okc/okczoo/hoof.html&h=354&w=274&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dafrican%2Bemu%26svnum%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8 |
| 16:51.22 | gabe | you need to setup winxp as a gateway somehow |
| 16:51.33 | gabe | i only know how to do it with osx and apple's internet sharing |
| 16:51.44 | doughecka | hmm, zaurus works with osx? |
| 16:51.51 | gabe | kinda |
| 16:51.53 | doughecka | keeen |
| 16:52.10 | gabe | there is a beta/experimental usb driver to setup a network connection with the cradle |
| 16:52.12 | gabe | it works damn well |
| 16:52.17 | gabe | but there's no sync software yet |
| 16:52.28 | gabe | i'm contemplating writing a cocoa app for syncing it |
| 16:52.38 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:52.47 | doughecka | that would be slick |
| 16:52.56 | doughecka | 57 mins, 22 secs |
| 16:53.38 | gabe | good luck with that |
| 16:53.45 | doughecka | hah |
| 16:54.54 | doughecka | what are the powersupply specs for the zaurus? |
| 16:55.26 | gabe | 5V 2A |
| 16:55.30 | MacGyver | doughecka need update usbdnet ? |
| 16:55.33 | doughecka | 2 amp? |
| 16:55.37 | gabe | yeah |
| 16:55.43 | doughecka | yikes |
| 16:55.46 | doughecka | MacGyver: ? |
| 16:55.54 | MacGyver | ~_~;; |
| 16:55.56 | doughecka | I dont even have a zaurus yet :) |
| 16:56.01 | MacGyver | ....... |
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| 17:00.26 | doughecka | cwaig: ever hit a gong? |
| 17:01.04 | doughecka | nope, dint think so, well, have fun! |
| 17:01.45 | gabe | what the heck |
| 17:01.49 | gabe | network settings wont close now |
| 17:01.50 | gabe | hah |
| 17:01.54 | doughecka | lol |
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| 17:03.23 | doughecka | cool! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2918981679&category=18872 |
| 17:06.14 | gabe | weird |
| 17:06.21 | doughecka | very |
| 17:06.33 | gabe | ok, i go lunch now. |
| 17:06.46 | doughecka | Mmm |
| 17:06.46 | gabe | doughecka: good luck with the auction ;) |
| 17:06.49 | doughecka | est? |
| 17:06.52 | doughecka | hehe, yea |
| 17:06.55 | doughecka | I hope |
| 17:06.59 | krezel[laptop] | there are lots of those that use USB instead of IDE |
| 17:07.14 | doughecka | krezel[laptop]: but its 1 cent |
| 17:07.16 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:07.35 | doughecka | and if I buy a CF card too, its free shipping |
| 17:07.54 | krezel[laptop] | Hmm |
| 17:07.59 | krezel[laptop] | YOu have a point |
| 17:08.53 | krezel[laptop] | I'll bid it up to $40 for you |
| 17:09.04 | doughecka | thanks, but no thanks |
| 17:09.08 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:09.24 | doughecka | unless ur buying it |
| 17:10.51 | doughecka | do all USB readers work well enuf to flash a device? |
| 17:11.12 | krezel[laptop] | As long as the file's on there I suppose you're fine... |
| 17:11.25 | doughecka | hm |
| 17:29.24 | krezel[laptop] | hmm: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3014637348&category=15029 |
| 17:29.41 | doughecka | how do those work? |
| 17:30.05 | doughecka | 15 min left |
| 17:30.08 | krezel[laptop] | you put a bunch of AA's in it and then plug it in |
| 17:30.16 | doughecka | oh |
| 17:30.28 | doughecka | it doesnt hang off the back or anything? |
| 17:31.32 | krezel[laptop] | I suppose you could velcro it on or something |
| 17:31.37 | doughecka | 114 for a "broken" zaurus.. 15 min left :P |
| 17:31.39 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:32.21 | krezel[laptop] | broken how? |
| 17:32.27 | doughecka | wont boot |
| 17:32.41 | doughecka | displays the splash screen and the blinking cursor |
| 17:32.49 | kergoth | oh thats funny |
| 17:32.54 | doughecka | very |
| 17:32.58 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:33.10 | doughecka | photo: http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/47/46754/25208b.jpg |
| 17:33.25 | doughecka | looks awfully like its a bad flash to me |
| 17:33.44 | doughecka | woo, 11 min left |
| 17:35.31 | MacGyver | someone have cool c700 backgrounf image ? |
| 17:35.43 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:37.09 | doughecka | how would one go about getting one? |
| 17:37.14 | kergoth | shop.conics.net |
| 17:37.31 | doughecka | if they had that much money to blow on a really neat toy |
| 17:37.33 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:39.10 | doughecka | wow, I can click on refresh and get it to reload every min to the second :) |
| 17:40.24 | doughecka | hmm, 4 min |
| 17:42.06 | doughecka | bleh |
| 17:42.13 | doughecka | $150 :) |
| 17:42.40 | treke | oh differen auction |
| 17:44.17 | doughecka | 54 seconds left |
| 17:44.17 | doughecka | ! |
| 17:44.22 | doughecka | $142 |
| 17:44.40 | treke | url? |
| 17:44.49 | doughecka | 22 seconds |
| 17:44.55 | doughecka | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3014906455&category=15030 |
| 17:45.15 | treke | hurry up connection |
| 17:45.18 | treke | damn |
| 17:45.47 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:46.23 | doughecka | woo |
| 17:46.28 | doughecka | now I need... |
| 17:46.33 | doughecka | a CF card and a reader.. |
| 17:46.53 | krezel[laptop] | Anybody have experience using QDicts? |
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| 18:04.01 | minipanda | hi! can i get the source codes of Zstyle? seems all the theme are based on it! :-( |
| 18:04.18 | treke | no. zstyle is closed source |
| 18:04.21 | minipanda | and i can not buy it from China! |
| 18:04.24 | treke | the theme source is in opie cvs |
| 18:05.08 | minipanda | hehe, just only $5, but i can not pay for it! |
| 18:05.39 | treke | then install openzaurus :) |
| 18:07.05 | minipanda | treke|home: install openzaurus means i need to reinstall all the staffs! so can i continu using the applicaitons like HANword on opie? not qtopia? |
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| 18:07.21 | Neo|Work | zstyle uses LD_PRELOAD doesn't it? |
| 18:07.36 | treke | yeah |
| 18:10.11 | Neo|Work | http://www.sterlingtek.com/sonmemopmous.html <-- bizarre |
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| 18:31.37 | gabe | oy |
| 18:31.46 | gabe | tourist season is officially in effect in salem now. |
| 18:33.31 | brett_ | Try living in seattle |
| 18:35.08 | gabe | no thanks, i like more than one week of sunshine every year :) |
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| 18:40.35 | brett_ | heh |
| 18:40.42 | brett_ | It's not that bad. Pretty rainy though. |
| 18:40.59 | brett_ | As soon as the sun comes out, people flock to here in droves. |
| 18:41.47 | gabe | ugh |
| 18:42.06 | gabe | that's about the same as salem, as soon as it gets warm again, in come the tour busses |
| 18:42.13 | brett_ | Salem OR or Salem MA? |
| 18:42.16 | gabe | MA |
| 18:42.34 | brett_ | Never been East. I need to get to that part of the country some time. |
| 18:42.45 | gabe | hehe |
| 18:42.49 | brett_ | I'll show up on a tour bus some day. hehe |
| 18:43.11 | gabe | and you'll be driven over by a local |
| 18:43.21 | gabe | we drive REAL bad here |
| 18:43.24 | brett_ | sweet |
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| 19:11.58 | zoid | what's a good 10/100 CF card? |
| 19:14.58 | noidd | snigger |
| 19:15.08 | noidd | i got the customer on oz again - muhahah |
| 19:16.00 | gabe | zoid: I've heard good things about the Hawking cards |
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| 19:16.12 | rev|lib | hola |
| 19:16.19 | gabe | buenos nachos |
| 19:16.42 | rev|lib | ...and |
| 19:17.21 | gabe | image viewer? |
| 19:17.27 | rev|lib | for you? |
| 19:17.30 | gabe | no |
| 19:17.34 | rev|lib | ah |
| 19:17.35 | gabe | someone asked about that yesterday though |
| 19:17.37 | rev|lib | but that does some right |
| 19:17.37 | rev|lib | k |
| 19:17.48 | gabe | what's squeak? |
| 19:18.20 | rev|lib | squeak is a Smalltalk implementation, OS (baremetal and hosted on other OSes), computing environment, etc |
| 19:18.22 | rev|lib | squeak.org |
| 19:18.26 | gabe | oh right |
| 19:18.34 | rev|lib | i'm working on a PDA OS/environment in it |
| 19:18.41 | gabe | heh |
| 19:19.05 | rev|lib | and generally don't like being confined to the static-ness of most computing environments |
| 19:20.17 | gabe | uh, wow. those yopy pdas are butt ugly and look like GBA SPs |
| 19:20.25 | rev|lib | haha |
| 19:20.40 | rev|lib | the one from a year or so ago, or a newer one? |
| 19:20.46 | gabe | all three of their models |
| 19:20.52 | rev|lib | the one with the folding kb that is in ABC instead of QWERTY? ;P |
| 19:20.53 | gabe | they're pretty much the same |
| 19:21.06 | gabe | uh, what? i didn't look at the kb |
| 19:21.07 | rev|lib | the first models had no kb |
| 19:21.12 | fliplap | gabe: there was an older one |
| 19:21.16 | fliplap | that developers edition |
| 19:21.22 | fliplap | that wasn't clamshell |
| 19:21.26 | gabe | heh |
| 19:21.34 | rev|lib | you can actually buy a yopy?! |
| 19:21.39 | fliplap | yes |
| 19:21.39 | rev|lib | i assumed they went out or something |
| 19:21.40 | gabe | looks like it |
| 19:21.46 | rev|lib | probably sold like 100 and then yoink |
| 19:21.47 | rev|lib | ah |
| 19:21.48 | rev|lib | wow |
| 19:22.10 | fliplap | i have a friend with a developers edition, i haven't seen the new one in person |
| 19:22.28 | gabe | only 375.9 pounds |
| 19:22.35 | fliplap | holy crap |
| 19:22.36 | gabe | in england at least |
| 19:22.38 | gabe | heh |
| 19:22.40 | fliplap | thats insane |
| 19:23.00 | gabe | looks like it has the same cpu and a similar screen to the zaurus |
| 19:23.12 | gabe | but it has 128BM of ram and 32MB rom |
| 19:23.12 | fliplap | they go on ebay for $100-150 |
| 19:23.16 | rev|lib | man |
| 19:23.18 | rev|lib | ah ok |
| 19:23.25 | rev|lib | they don't still run W do they? |
| 19:23.27 | rev|lib | as a GUI? |
| 19:23.34 | gabe | uh... and they dont have CF? |
| 19:23.39 | rev|lib | the dev edition did, they dropped it for something like microwin didn't they? |
| 19:23.50 | fliplap | i don't remember |
| 19:24.17 | fliplap | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3409567571&category=177 |
| 19:24.25 | fliplap | there's a developer one |
| 19:24.49 | fliplap | if they had gotten to market sooner they would have been a hit |
| 19:24.56 | rev|lib | perhaps |
| 19:25.51 | fliplap | they were more powerful than anything else at the time, they just took forever and never made it to store shelves |
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| 19:26.34 | George- | Hello |
| 19:27.44 | kergoth | re |
| 19:27.51 | rev|lib | hrmm |
| 19:27.51 | George- | yo kergoth |
| 19:27.56 | kergoth | hey george |
| 19:28.05 | George- | kergoth: Did I tell you? They repainted my laptop, lol |
| 19:28.10 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:28.22 | George- | S'pose they got fed up of my bitching :) |
| 19:28.30 | George- | But they fucked up the CD drive :( |
| 19:29.17 | gabe | oh... so the agenda is what the shark is |
| 19:29.32 | rev|lib | shark? |
| 19:29.42 | gabe | agenda vr3, isn't it? |
| 19:29.47 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 19:29.57 | rev|lib | i know of the agenda, but shark rings no bells |
| 19:30.07 | rev|lib | the vr3 was such an awkward lil guy |
| 19:30.08 | George- | This aqua'ized XChat is sooooo cool |
| 19:30.12 | George- | On MacOS X :) |
| 19:30.15 | rev|lib | George-: indeed, what i use as well |
| 19:30.35 | George- | hah |
| 19:30.57 | rev|lib | :/ indeed, heh |
| 19:31.54 | George- | kergoth: so far this laptop has had 2 new LCDs (on my third one :), new CD-RW/DVD drive, new PSU, new titanium casing..... :))) |
| 19:32.00 | nofpu | anyone know a good way to ssh tunnel over http? httptunnel? I hate my work firewall |
| 19:32.17 | djr | :) |
| 19:33.06 | kergoth | irssi rocks |
| 19:33.08 | George- | nofpu: are you a girl? |
| 19:33.34 | George- | kergoth: I'll say one thing though.. I'm glad it's back |
| 19:33.36 | kergoth | hah, a dynamically linked ldconfig is 22k as opposed to 600k static |
| 19:33.43 | kergoth | can included it in the images now |
| 19:33.46 | George- | I was losing hair over my K6-2 |
| 19:33.47 | kergoth | thanks to pb_ |
| 19:34.00 | Klu5ter | kergoth: is there an irissi port for oz? |
| 19:34.06 | kergoth | Klu5ter: its in buildroot |
| 19:34.08 | kergoth | Klu5ter: :) |
| 19:34.13 | rev|lib | kergoth: damn |
| 19:34.15 | nofpu | hehe |
| 19:34.22 | kergoth | just didnt compile for some reason at the last unstable update |
| 19:34.28 | kergoth | i'll fix it after I release 3.2 final today |
| 19:34.42 | George- | now I've gotta fight a war against my stupid housemaster at school... |
| 19:34.43 | nofpu | yay, beer for kergoth |
| 19:34.46 | George- | *yawn*, so boring |
| 19:35.00 | nofpu | no, a spirit for kergoth |
| 19:35.16 | George- | oh yeh, by the way I have some bad news, I'm gonna be on irc for the next 4 weeks |
| 19:35.18 | George- | MWAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:35.19 | kergoth | hrm, a c700 oz image isnt booting.. whatd i break |
| 19:38.05 | mewyn | kergoth: i updated mutt on zelda |
| 19:38.17 | mewyn | feel free to use email on my system |
| 19:38.43 | gabe | oh, agenda is now softfield? weird |
| 19:38.46 | SirPsycho-home | anyone else have problems with clicking "reboot" on OZ 3.1rc3.1 and it not doing anything ? |
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| 19:39.08 | fliplap | everyone has that problem |
| 19:39.16 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 19:39.18 | kergoth | yeah, just flash 3.2 today |
| 19:39.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:39.35 | George- | heya warmi |
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| 19:40.24 | SirPsycho-home | sweet kergoth.. any idea how long till it will be up on the website? |
| 19:40.45 | kergoth | couple hours at most, i'm writing up the announcement and updating some docs on openzaurus.org |
| 19:40.47 | George- | "Ars Technica has a link to a story on new goggles being developed for/by the military. The new device uses satellite imaging and land profiling to build a 3D representation of the world in a soldier's goggles in real-time. This would enable troops to see through sand storms and oil smoke of the kind currently hampering operations in the Gulf. I imagine one could also remove mountains to allow remote viewing of approaching territory." |
| 19:40.51 | George- | That sounds SOOOO cool |
| 19:41.28 | Neo|Work | George-: I can see how it would show the terrain but what about, say, people and tanks and crap? |
| 19:41.31 | SirPsycho-home | thanks.. i will check it out in couple hours then.. |
| 19:41.36 | Neo|Work | that would have to rely on something else.. |
| 19:41.50 | George- | Dunno, but it's a step in the right direction |
| 19:43.33 | fliplap | Neo|Work: it would probably work with known topographical maps of the area |
| 19:43.57 | fliplap | "The new device uses satellite imaging and land profiling" |
| 19:44.14 | Neo|Work | fliplap: right but that doesn't give you the most important info, such as people |
| 19:44.59 | fliplap | i'm guessing thats where the satalite imaging comes in, but i don't know enough about it |
| 19:45.20 | George- | Neo|Work: spy sattelites can apparently read the headline on a newspaper on the ground |
| 19:45.34 | fliplap | but can they read it thru smoke and sand |
| 19:45.37 | zoid | rev|lib: you were going to extract the image viewer for me from the sharp rom |
| 19:45.59 | rev|lib | zoid: a-ha |
| 19:46.02 | George- | fliplap: infrared? |
| 19:46.03 | zoid | heh |
| 19:46.21 | fliplap | i don't know how well infrared work from space |
| 19:46.34 | George- | hrmm |
| 19:46.37 | rev|lib | i couldn't find any packages that did that particular app automagically; could i just tar up something similar to a .app folder? |
| 19:46.38 | fliplap | again, i don't know much about it |
| 19:46.44 | George- | I wouldn't know.. I'm only a kid :) |
| 19:47.02 | zoid | rev|lib: sure, i'll try and figure out how to use it, heh |
| 19:47.35 | fliplap | a youngin |
| 19:47.54 | George- | wtf??? |
| 19:48.10 | George- | They wanna "correspond" with a Linux/Qtopia developer for linux mag |
| 19:48.13 | George- | and they emailed ME?!?!?!?!?! |
| 19:48.16 | George- | That's ABSURD |
| 19:48.27 | George- | hrmm.. Sniper gave my details |
| 19:49.00 | George- | *hilarity ensues* |
| 19:49.30 | fliplap | la la la |
| 19:49.35 | Neo|Work | who does? |
| 19:50.02 | George- | some freelance journalist that wants to get an article published in Linux Format |
| 19:50.10 | George- | and so Sharps PR contacted me.. OF ALL PEOPLE?!?!?! |
| 19:50.25 | Neo|Work | that's rather interesting |
| 19:50.29 | Neo|Work | what have you released? |
| 19:50.40 | icefox | George-: who/??? |
| 19:51.10 | George- | The sharp PR woman is "Melissa Barker" |
| 19:51.17 | George- | I dunno the name of the journalist |
| 19:51.30 | George- | Neo|Work: uhm.. my *ahem* html editor |
| 19:51.39 | chouimat | George-: hi |
| 19:51.43 | Neo|Work | so at least you have SOMETHING. :-) |
| 19:51.47 | George- | oh GREAT |
| 19:51.53 | George- | That's a fat lot of help =P |
| 19:52.04 | fliplap | man, kids are coding younger and younger these days |
| 19:52.08 | icefox | us pr woman? |
| 19:52.19 | George- | icefox: UK |
| 19:52.23 | icefox | ah |
| 19:52.33 | George- | fliplap: bleh |
| 19:52.38 | fliplap | when i was 15 i had just started running linux, let alone coding |
| 19:52.44 | George- | heh |
| 19:52.49 | George- | I started running linux when I was 8 |
| 19:52.52 | George- | no, 9 |
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| 19:53.08 | chouimat | George-: i started running linux when I was 20 |
| 19:53.11 | fliplap | when i was 8 a MacSE was top of the line |
| 19:53.12 | Neo|Work | my kids will start earlier than that. |
| 19:53.22 | fliplap | so i didn't have that choice |
| 19:53.23 | Neo|Work | in a year or two they will have their own linux computer. :P |
| 19:53.29 | Neo|Work | (they are almost 2 yrs old now) |
| 19:53.34 | icefox | man, typing with a regular keyboars is soooo hard. |
| 19:53.35 | fliplap | thats just freaky |
| 19:53.42 | chouimat | fliplap: when I was 8 the top of the line was the Sinclair ZX-81 |
| 19:53.45 | fliplap | get the kid a basketball or something |
| 19:53.53 | George- | Neo|Work: ahh, but will they have to go thru the HELL of installing it all themselves? |
| 19:53.56 | George- | ;) |
| 19:54.12 | Neo|Work | George-: of course not. :P |
| 19:54.24 | George- | It took me weeks to grasp the entire concept of partitions and filesystems and all the other crap associated with PCs :) |
| 19:54.33 | fliplap | chouimat: well when i was 8 we had to walk 15 miles in the snow, uphill both ways, just to get to the stone tablet and the chisel |
| 19:54.39 | George- | let alone the really weird linux file heirarchy |
| 19:54.47 | George- | (well, weird for a 9 year old) |
| 19:54.56 | icefox | George- it is only wird becaus you used windows first |
| 19:55.03 | George- | icefox: dos :) |
| 19:55.27 | George- | still.. I've been using Linux for longer than I've been using windoze ;) |
| 19:55.39 | icefox | so why is it wierd? |
| 19:55.47 | George- | it was.. different |
| 19:55.47 | icefox | windows "mounts" just like linux does |
| 19:55.55 | icefox | and in fact there is a / in nt |
| 19:56.09 | George- | NT is POSIX compat isn't it? |
| 19:56.14 | fliplap | the same way having butt sex is kinda weird the first time |
| 19:56.21 | George- | lol |
| 19:56.21 | fliplap | you're just not used to it |
| 19:56.30 | George- | look, I'm trying to reply to this weird email I got |
| 19:56.42 | George- | And politely say that I'm totally shit at programming :) |
| 19:56.49 | George- | and I can't be classified as developer |
| 19:56.50 | fliplap | after you get over the "hrm, its in her butt" thing, you really like it |
| 19:57.26 | icefox | what an interesting day |
| 19:58.08 | icefox | I guess the question does she |
| 19:58.18 | fliplap | yes |
| 19:58.35 | Neo|Work | George-: feel free to note how l33t I am. ;) Of course I don't really do all that much qtopia/qt programming |
| 19:58.45 | Neo|Work | mostly, I just program past its bugs heh |
| 19:58.48 | George- | Neo|Work: my arse =P |
| 19:59.01 | George- | Neo|Work: you're like, the biggest Qtopia developer there IS |
| 19:59.09 | icefox | cough |
| 19:59.12 | George- | (we don't count BigBoss) |
| 19:59.26 | icefox | cough |
| 19:59.35 | treke | max is like the biggest qtopia developer there is :) |
| 19:59.44 | George- | treke: physically? |
| 19:59.53 | treke | no in terms of apps he's written |
| 20:00.28 | icefox | how many has he written? |
| 20:00.51 | George- | tons iirc |
| 20:01.02 | treke | icefox: he did a significant chunk of the tkc line |
| 20:01.32 | George- | wow |
| 20:01.34 | George- | Interesting day |
| 20:01.47 | George- | I've got a request from some loony to help him in a court case against Apple Computers |
| 20:01.51 | George- | How can I refuse? ;) |
| 20:01.52 | George- | lol |
| 20:02.34 | icefox | hmm I count probaly 20 for me |
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| 20:04.13 | darius_ | anyone know if there's a shoutcast server ported to the zaurus? |
| 20:04.26 | icefox | debian... |
| 20:06.10 | fliplap | 10 minutes to pdaify a 20 minute SVCD, using 2 pass divx5 encoding, down to 30megs |
| 20:07.13 | George- | "I have filed a complaint with the State Attorney General's Office about the screen scratching on my PowerBook G4. I am initiating this effort because Apple will not replace my screen under AppleCare even though they have twice in the past. Their representative told me the only way the screen could get scratched in the manner I described (blah blah blah........)" |
| 20:07.17 | George- | hahahaha |
| 20:08.06 | George- | my, I do get some really weird emails |
| 20:08.53 | Neo|Work | George-: not really, I don't do much Qt stuff as I said, I mostly bypass it. :) |
| 20:09.06 | Neo|Work | as treke said, max is way up there. icefox is pretty high on the list too. :P |
| 20:09.26 | George- | Neo|Work: yeh, I saw icefox's portfolio on his site, it's HUGE |
| 20:09.45 | treke | max has the benefit of being paid to write qtopia apps :) |
| 20:09.58 | Neo|Work | or so we think. :) |
| 20:10.00 | George- | heh |
| 20:10.11 | Neo|Work | so does(did?) icefox really. ;-) |
| 20:10.23 | George- | Wasn't it maxes rather.. uhm.. different screenies for tkcVideo? ;) |
| 20:10.49 | icefox | not really |
| 20:10.55 | icefox | I did most of my work in my free tinme |
| 20:11.03 | Neo|Work | icefox: ok |
| 20:11.11 | icefox | some apps (not listed) were internal and those I was "paid" for |
| 20:11.21 | fliplap | yeiazel: scale it to the right size, and use a low bit rate, lower quality monosound also helps |
| 20:11.48 | Neo|Work | I think I have a lot of unique knowledge about how to bypass qtopia and crap like that though. :P |
| 20:11.50 | icefox | Neo|Work: Monday is my last day so I "does" |
| 20:11.57 | yeiazel | fliplap: I certainly should try more than just 5 minutes at work :) |
| 20:12.13 | fliplap | yeiazel: i use mencoder todo it, comes out nice |
| 20:12.18 | warmi | icefox: so they are not extending the contract with you ? |
| 20:12.24 | fliplap | there's still alittle framedrop on really fast sequences tho |
| 20:12.26 | icefox | nope |
| 20:13.50 | warmi | icefox: so who's going to be left in that office as far as dev support is concerned ? |
| 20:14.00 | icefox | spencer when he is around |
| 20:14.03 | icefox | ibot seen sniper |
| 20:14.09 | | sniper <~Sniper@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 27d 23h 45m 41s ago, saying: 'brb'. |
| 20:14.43 | warmi | ibot: : is specner full time employee or contracting like you ? |
| 20:14.43 | | warmi: are you using Windows? |
| 20:14.46 | icefox | spencer is taking on all mys tuff, all of jasons stuff and doing a lot of ed's stuff too |
| 20:14.50 | icefox | full time |
| 20:15.01 | warmi | uh .. it was directed at icefox not ibot hehe |
| 20:15.03 | warmi | ok |
| 20:15.36 | Neo|Work | icefox: so basically, Spencer will have no way in hell to keep it all up |
| 20:15.39 | icefox | Ed was our lead sales guy up until a week ago. |
| 20:15.58 | icefox | he might be able to |
| 20:17.04 | George- | 27days ago saying brb?!?!?! |
| 20:17.12 | fliplap | heh |
| 20:17.20 | icefox | eh I guess he doesn't hang out on irc much anymore |
| 20:17.26 | warmi | ibot: btw .. I am using windows |
| 20:17.27 | | no idea, warmi |
| 20:17.28 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:18.05 | gabe | oh sweet |
| 20:18.28 | gabe | since i'm moving speakeasy isn't going to rape me for $90 to change my dsl speed |
| 20:18.39 | George- | wtf is a class action lawsuit?!?!? |
| 20:18.39 | Neo|Work | sugar heard sniperz |
| 20:18.40 | Sugar | Neo|Work: Sorry, I haven't heard sniperz |
| 20:18.42 | Neo|Work | hmm |
| 20:18.51 | Neo|Work | I thoughy he also used some other nick |
| 20:19.10 | Neo|Work | George-: when there are more than one plaintiff, maybe even thousands or more |
| 20:19.28 | George- | ahh |
| 20:19.40 | warmi | George: it is a kind of lawsuit where hundreds/thousands of people get together and sue an entity for something |
| 20:19.44 | George- | so this dude wants to beat the hell out of Apple in other words? ;) |
| 20:20.05 | warmi | basically a way to avoid thousands of individual court proceedings |
| 20:21.09 | warmi | George-: well, any kind of lawsut is generally meant to "beat the hell out of " opposing entity ';-0 |
| 20:21.20 | George- | hehe |
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| 20:37.20 | minipanda_zzZZ | hi! where can i get such like Zstyle.!@#!@#.ipk ? |
| 20:38.00 | minipanda_zzZZ | it's really hard for me to buy it from U.S! |
| 20:38.17 | treke | email the author |
| 20:38.23 | treke | maybe he'll send it to you |
| 20:39.38 | minipanda_zzZZ | treke|home: thanks, if he glad to, but that's impossible! BTW: have you heard of terke any GBA emulator on zaurus? |
| 20:39.55 | treke | minipanda_zzZZ: why is it impossible? |
| 20:40.01 | treke | and no there is no GBA emulator |
| 20:41.29 | kergoth | last i checked it was pretty easy to use email |
| 20:41.32 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:43.24 | rev|lib | do you think the Z could emulate a GBA without enough power? |
| 20:43.33 | rev|lib | i mean |
| 20:43.41 | rev|lib | do you think the Z has the power to emulate a GBA well? |
| 20:50.11 | minipanda_zzZZ | rev|lib: seems Z and GBA are using the same arm core ,and Z's storage system are more better than GBA! |
| 20:50.20 | rev|lib | yup |
| 20:50.44 | minipanda_zzZZ | kergoth: what's your means? can you tell me who i need to ask for Zstyle? |
| 20:51.05 | kergoth | the author |
| 20:51.53 | treke | minipanda_zzZZ: they are both forms of ARM cpus. They may well be very different CPUs though |
| 20:52.05 | minipanda_zzZZ | rev|lib: adn Z's sound subsystem are better than GBA! GBA can only xmit poorly 22hz sample rate music |
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| 20:53.57 | minipanda_zzZZ | treke: en! you are right! but i think that nienendo must forbid programmers do such work and do not glad to give them advices! |
| 20:54.05 | treke | minipanda_zzZZ: huh? |
| 20:54.34 | minipanda_zzZZ | otherwise ARM based handhold device will take GBA's market place very soon! |
| 20:54.43 | kergoth | uh, no. |
| 20:54.57 | treke | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 20:55.09 | kergoth | these are higher end pdas, marketed to a completely different market than the gba |
| 20:55.21 | minipanda_zzZZ | treke: that's why ninendo do not care about emulator on X86? |
| 20:55.22 | kergoth | he's saying nintendo would opose emulation thinking the Z would be a competitor |
| 20:55.42 | kergoth | oppose, rather |
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| 20:56.27 | minipanda_zzZZ | kergoth: nitendo very clear about that PC should not take the place of GBA! but PDA can! |
| 20:56.41 | kergoth | no, it cant. |
| 20:56.42 | treke | nintendo isnt worried about emulators because they rarely work well enough to threaten the product |
| 20:57.38 | minipanda_zzZZ | nope! it is very easy to download GBA emulator and it's ROMs form website easily! even the lastest release game |
| 20:58.04 | kergoth | A pda will never replace the GBA. |
| 20:58.06 | kergoth | period. |
| 20:58.12 | yeiazel | :) |
| 20:58.32 | kergoth | its a higher pricepoint, using flawed emulation (which doesnt even exist atm), is marketed to a completely different group of individuals, and the formfactor isnt well suited to gaming. |
| 20:58.35 | treke | minipanda_zzZZ: now join reality. The Z probably doesnt have the hardware power to emulate the games. The emulator isnt going to play the games perfectly. The hardware buttons may not correspond well to the gba buttons |
| 20:58.54 | treke | The buttons probably wouldnt even stand up to the abuse of trying to be a gba |
| 20:59.39 | minipanda_zzZZ | treke: i know your means, the Z can not coresponed the keyboard interrupts in time! |
| 20:59.52 | kergoth | what? |
| 21:00.10 | kergoth | no one said anything about latency being the problem |
| 21:00.16 | kergoth | we listed numerous other independent problems. |
| 21:01.20 | minipanda_zzZZ | kergoth: the bottons' physical quality? |
| 21:03.10 | minipanda_zzZZ | seems Z's tiny keyboard are fragile staff and can not afford more millions hits. |
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| 21:03.34 | kergoth | thats what treke just said |
| 21:03.35 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:05.14 | minipanda_zzZZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.05 | kergoth | no it will not offend the author |
| 21:06.07 | kergoth | go ahead |
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| 21:07.03 | minipanda_zzZZ | thanks kergoth and treke! it's already am 5:00 beijing! i must go to bed now! see you :-) |
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| 21:08.04 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 21:09.44 | warmi | kergoth: yeah .. trying to play GBC games on the zaurus is basically pain in the ass |
| 21:09.47 | warmi | you are right about that |
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| 21:27.54 | *** topic/#zaurus by kergoth -> Sharp PDA Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || http://openzaurus.org/ || OpenZaurus 3.2 released! || HSN deal will be back on April 5th, sorry! (The original date for its apeareance) || Check out docs.zaurus.com for docs! |
| 21:28.24 | TCMAN | kergoth: my zaurus lost its little mind |
| 21:28.53 | TCMAN | kergoth: after a reset it doesnt remember its settings even though it had them on mmc card :( |
| 21:29.12 | TCMAN | kergoth: is 3.2 the yesterdays release of yours ? |
| 21:29.33 | kergoth | with slight alteration |
| 21:29.44 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok, downloading |
| 21:32.10 | TCMAN | kergoth: should i change any mount of mmc card in fstab for using mmc card for root ? |
| 21:32.34 | kergoth | huh? |
| 21:32.37 | kergoth | read the fscking faqs. |
| 21:32.42 | kergoth | before you hose your system. |
| 21:33.09 | TCMAN | kergoth: i did :) |
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| 21:39.41 | gabe | TCMAN: then you should understand that you cant have the root fs on a flash card |
| 21:39.50 | gabe | ;) |
| 21:40.48 | zoid | heh, went to get the new expiremntal, and it wasn't there |
| 21:40.57 | zoid | then i noticed 3.2 is out :) |
| 21:41.02 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 21:42.39 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:43.01 | gabe | ooh it is |
| 21:43.24 | djr | heh |
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| 21:43.30 | djr | i want 3.2 |
| 21:43.31 | TCMAN | gabe i mean /home /root and /opt |
| 21:43.59 | TCMAN | gabe: on mmc card, like in faq |
| 21:44.13 | mark | warmi: i've just got a thing from the IRS seeminhgly telling me i've got to file a US tax return :/ |
| 21:44.14 | kergoth | does the faq say to touch fstab? |
| 21:44.18 | kergoth | no, it doesnt. |
| 21:44.31 | kergoth | read, and follow the instructions. |
| 21:44.41 | gabe | kergoth: should i just force reinstall pacakges i slapped on my sd card rather than tryin to get 3.2 to recognize those apps? |
| 21:44.48 | kergoth | gabe: ehh |
| 21:45.04 | djr | kergoth: is there ever gonna be a more minimal oz? |
| 21:45.06 | kergoth | ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 21:45.07 | kergoth | ta da |
| 21:45.10 | gabe | and did the kernel change at all? or can i stick with the exp one |
| 21:45.15 | gabe | kergoth: sweet |
| 21:45.29 | kergoth | djr: I have minimal images, just the download page and site structure doesnt facilitate it yet |
| 21:45.37 | mark | kergoth: congrats on the 3.2 release :) |
| 21:45.38 | djr | ah |
| 21:45.39 | djr | ok |
| 21:45.42 | kergoth | mark: thanks |
| 21:45.57 | kergoth | gabe: i just moved the experimental kernels into the 3.2 dir |
| 21:45.59 | kergoth | gabe: didnt change |
| 21:46.11 | Neo|Work | mark: you don't have to |
| 21:46.32 | Neo|Work | the us government can't make you pay us taxes since you don't live here |
| 21:46.40 | Neo|Work | in theory you should pay UK taxes |
| 21:46.45 | warmi | mark: you can file that tax return to me :-) |
| 21:46.46 | Neo|Work | did you by chance get a 1099? |
| 21:46.48 | gabe | k |
| 21:47.06 | kergoth | arm-linux-ld: Error: sharpsl_suspend.o uses soft floating point, whereas pxa.o uses hard floating point |
| 21:47.08 | warmi | yeah, I bet he got 1099 |
| 21:47.10 | kergoth | i hate that. |
| 21:47.19 | mark | Neo|Work: 'every nonresident alien individual, nonresident alien fiduciary, and foregin corporation with US income, including include that is effectively connected with the conduct of a trade or business in the US, must file a US income tax return' |
| 21:47.27 | mark | Neo|Work: no, its a 1042-S |
| 21:47.39 | warmi | are you sure it is not 1041-A ? |
| 21:47.43 | mark | yes |
| 21:47.44 | warmi | hehe just kidding |
| 21:48.10 | Neo|Work | mark: I seriously fscking doubt you have to |
| 21:48.18 | Neo|Work | but do what you wish. :P |
| 21:48.18 | warmi | well, in any case - I am surprised you would have to pay US taxes |
| 21:48.24 | Neo|Work | I mean, what will they do, put you in prison? |
| 21:48.27 | mark | its, 'Foreign Person's US Source Income Subject to Withholding Form' |
| 21:48.44 | Neo|Work | warmi: there's no way I'd ever pay US taxes if I dind't live in the US |
| 21:49.06 | warmi | on the other hand, I know that US companies are burdened with double taxation .. meaning they pay taxes in other countries and pay tax for the same stuff in US |
| 21:49.26 | warmi | btw .. this is one of the things that Bushes tax plan is supposed to change |
| 21:49.31 | warmi | but I doubt it applies to mark |
| 21:50.05 | mark | 'The information on your 1042-S is being furnihsed to the US IRS and may be furnished to Canada'. hh |
| 21:50.57 | warmi | well, just forget about it :-) |
| 21:51.03 | mark | 'However, no return is required to be filed by a nonresident alien individual... if such person was not enganged in a trade or businessin the US at any time during the tax year and if the tax liability of such person was fully satisfied by witholding of the US tax at source' |
| 21:51.15 | doughecka | I am NOT an alien |
| 21:51.17 | mark | Neo|Work: well, they can't put me in jail, but they can stop income comming to me? |
| 21:51.50 | warmi | mark: not, you already got your cash .. this is handango making sure their hands are clean |
| 21:52.07 | TCMAN | mark: if you get any money from US employer they probably withold part of it and give to IRS as tax |
| 21:52.18 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:52.20 | doughecka | first? |
| 21:52.24 | warmi | TCMAn: I don't think handago witholds anything |
| 21:52.43 | warmi | they are not really an employer |
| 21:52.43 | Neo|Work | they don't |
| 21:52.47 | Neo|Work | they send 1099 to US residents |
| 21:52.53 | mark | 'Tax rate -0-', Exep[mtion code '04', federal tax witheld '0' |
| 21:52.57 | TCMAN | warmi: in that case they may want taxes from it, and your govt may want taxes too |
| 21:52.59 | Neo|Work | I guess that form is the equivalent for non-us ones |
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| 21:53.20 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:53.23 | TCMAN | warmi: usually you can claim taxes paid in your country as credit for taxes to be paid in US |
| 21:53.42 | Neo|Work | TCMAN: may want yes, but why on earth should he pay US taxes? He doesn't live here and doesn't benefit (hah!) from the taxes paid and doesn't cost anything to the us either |
| 21:53.54 | TCMAN | isnt 1099 for like moneymarket accounts ? |
| 21:53.57 | warmi | TCMAN: I think that is only when your country has a special double-taxation treaty with US |
| 21:54.08 | Neo|Work | TCMAN: it's for non-employee income in general.. |
| 21:54.15 | mark | I'm exepmt under tax treaty apparently |
| 21:54.18 | Neo|Work | i.e income which has no tax withdrawn from it |
| 21:54.19 | TCMAN | NeoTron: because US govt want hime to finance the war :) |
| 21:54.32 | Neo|Work | TCMAN: he does, in the UK. :P |
| 21:54.46 | Neo|Work | mark: note that you SHOULD pay the UK government rather. :) |
| 21:54.59 | warmi | mark: either way you are screwed |
| 21:55.00 | mark | Neo|Work: nah, i'm under the treshold |
| 21:55.00 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:55.03 | Neo|Work | but of course if you don't tell them they won't know.. |
| 21:55.26 | TCMAN | mark: you dont have to worry about this shit if you do not plan to visit US in next 5 years :) |
| 21:55.29 | warmi | Neo|Work: are you supposed to pay UK rates or US rates ? cause the rates are very different |
| 21:55.32 | Neo|Work | I can honestly say that if I lived in Sweden, making income in the US, I probably wouldn't pay US taxes OR swedish taxes. :P |
| 21:55.36 | Neo|Work | I'm shady that way, heh |
| 21:55.42 | Neo|Work | warmi: UK of course |
| 21:55.42 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:55.55 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, then this is crappy deal |
| 21:55.55 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:56.08 | Neo|Work | a friend of mine lived in the US and was paid in sweden (in a swedish bank) and paid no taxes for years |
| 21:56.24 | warmi | oh well |
| 21:56.24 | mark | any idea what 'Exempt under tax treaty' means? |
| 21:56.55 | warmi | in any case mark US is quite busy with other matters these days so it is unlikely anyone will even give you crap about it :-) |
| 21:56.59 | doughecka | #tax |
| 21:57.34 | mark | #damn_the_irs ? |
| 21:57.56 | doughecka | better |
| 21:58.01 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:58.26 | warmi | TCMAN: couple of years ago when I was doing contracting I had to pay 10 K |
| 21:58.36 | warmi | on top of fines for failing to pay estimated taxe |
| 21:58.39 | warmi | taxes even |
| 21:58.46 | warmi | this shit can get complicated very quickly |
| 21:58.53 | TCMAN | warmi: this is extra :) because i had 3 on W-4 and i should have had 2 :( |
| 21:59.55 | warmi | TCMAN: well, you were still ahead ... that money was working for you in the previous 12 months |
| 22:00.08 | warmi | but still, it is hard to come up with 1000$ |
| 22:00.26 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:00.58 | icefox | see just to be safe I assumed that 1/3 of my money was gone from the start |
| 22:01.05 | icefox | and put that in savings |
| 22:01.12 | mark | ok, cheers warmi, Neo|Work |
| 22:01.41 | TCMAN | warmi: yup |
| 22:02.09 | mewyn | warmi: any word? |
| 22:02.12 | TCMAN | doughecka: money works in the bank, i got like $5 interest on it :) |
| 22:02.15 | Neo|Work | mark: exempt == most likely means that US ahas a deal with the UK where ytou pay UK tax only |
| 22:02.16 | warmi | mark: in any case , you should be happy to have problem like that :-) |
| 22:02.20 | Neo|Work | and the opposite I'd guess |
| 22:02.21 | warmi | mewyn: sorry, nothing yet |
| 22:02.23 | doughecka | TCMAN: thats so... like, wow |
| 22:02.31 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:02.34 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 22:02.51 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:03.24 | doughecka | ~convert 5 dollars to yen |
| 22:03.36 | doughecka | wow, you made 557 dollars! |
| 22:03.41 | doughecka | (in japan) |
| 22:03.46 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 22:03.54 | doughecka | thats de bright side |
| 22:04.10 | TCMAN | tell me how to cheat on taxes to buy c700 ? :)))) |
| 22:04.44 | doughecka | how about tax software on linux? |
| 22:04.47 | mark | Neo|Work: ah ok |
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| 22:05.22 | warmi | mark: so you getting yourself C700 for all that money you made with your software? |
| 22:05.25 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.43 | mark | warmi: no, i've just had to spend a fortune buying a new engine for my car |
| 22:06.08 | doughecka | igh |
| 22:06.11 | warmi | uh ... there is always something hehe .. |
| 22:06.22 | mark | warmi: yeh |
| 22:06.47 | mark | warmi: previous owner put water in rather than proper coolant, corroded cylinder liners, overheated, cylinder head cracked.. |
| 22:07.02 | Neo|Work | my price for selling stuff is a Dell Axim. : |
| 22:07.03 | warmi | hehe .. what kind of car is that ? |
| 22:07.12 | Neo|Work | I still think it's an amazingly nice PDA - screen especailly |
| 22:07.21 | warmi | Neo|Work: you are married - that changes everything :-) |
| 22:07.24 | warmi | hehe .. at least it does for me |
| 22:07.37 | mark | warmi: an Indian 4x4 ('mahindra' |
| 22:07.43 | TCMAN | Neo|Work: toshiba e750 is cool |
| 22:07.50 | doughecka | zaurus's only |
| 22:08.33 | TCMAN | Neo|Work: they have cool accessories - big ass battery, extender to external monitor |
| 22:08.41 | warmi | mark: my Indian coworker told me that mahindra is a like " a little more rugged jeep" |
| 22:08.48 | TCMAN | doughecka: how did you do it ? ebay ? |
| 22:08.54 | doughecka | yup |
| 22:08.57 | doughecka | its "broken" |
| 22:09.17 | doughecka | it boots, but gets stuck at the splash screen with a little cursor |
| 22:09.26 | TCMAN | doughecka: YAY! |
| 22:09.39 | doughecka | This generally indicates that the zImage flashed, but the initrd.bin did not. Ensure that you renamed it to initrd.bin. Try flashing the unit again. If it still does not succeed, try formatting the CF (CompactFlash) card, and try again |
| 22:09.43 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:09.54 | djr | heh |
| 22:10.03 | djr | normally if it shows the splash screen, and just a blinking cursor |
| 22:10.06 | mark | warmi: http://www.befishy.co.uk/oil8171.JPG |
| 22:10.08 | djr | i just do a soft reset and it boots normally |
| 22:10.13 | doughecka | oh? |
| 22:10.18 | djr | yeah |
| 22:10.21 | doughecka | unless they tried flashing it |
| 22:10.25 | djr | it happened just now |
| 22:10.28 | djr | i flashed it |
| 22:10.28 | doughecka | huh |
| 22:10.33 | doughecka | cool! |
| 22:10.33 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:10.35 | warmi | mark: yeah . that looks just like a WW2 jeep :) |
| 22:10.39 | TCMAN | i am running 3.2 right now |
| 22:10.45 | warmi | I wonder how much mileage this thing gets .. |
| 22:10.46 | djr | pressed the hard reset button, put the cover back on, turned it on, it showed the splash screen, a blinking cursor and no back light |
| 22:10.46 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:10.47 | mark | warmi: it sounds/drives like one too :) |
| 22:10.49 | djr | and it was just hung |
| 22:10.56 | djr | i simply flipped the switch off and back to normal |
| 22:10.58 | djr | and turned it on |
| 22:11.00 | djr | and it booted fine |
| 22:11.05 | doughecka | slick |
| 22:11.06 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:11.49 | doughecka | stable: 3.2 |
| 22:11.49 | doughecka | testing: 3.1-rc3.1 |
| 22:11.53 | doughecka | somthing sounds wrong |
| 22:11.56 | TCMAN | doughecka: if there is logo it means bootloader works, so you can flash it again |
| 22:12.04 | doughecka | TCMAN: yea |
| 22:12.26 | warmi | mark: workign on anything new these days (software wise) ? |
| 22:12.33 | gabe | 3.2 works fine for me so far |
| 22:13.34 | gabe | ooh it even got my dhcp stuff and gateway all setup |
| 22:13.49 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:13.56 | doughecka | 3.2 is stable? |
| 22:14.00 | doughecka | 3.2 is testing? |
| 22:14.02 | doughecka | er |
| 22:14.03 | doughecka | 3.1 |
| 22:14.04 | gabe | i can't seem to get info on the usbdo0 interface tho |
| 22:14.05 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:14.10 | gabe | doughecka: 3.2 is stable now |
| 22:14.52 | TCMAN | 3.2 goes from unstable to stable without testing :) |
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| 22:15.00 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:16.04 | Neo|Work | warmi: and yes, being married makes things a whole lot different |
| 22:16.28 | brent | the new sound stuff in 3.2 should be great |
| 22:16.30 | gaurdian | installing vnc server on 3.2 crashes it when ya try to start it |
| 22:16.43 | doughecka | sound? |
| 22:16.54 | gabe | 3.2 was testing yesterday |
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| 22:21.24 | TCMAN | so what feed should i use for 3.2 ? |
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| 22:25.03 | gabe | stable |
| 22:27.23 | TCMAN | gabe: is opie-mediaplayer2 in stable now ? |
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| 22:39.03 | Pend-Gone | kergoth some packages in my feed are builting wrong |
| 22:39.11 | Pendalar | building rather |
| 22:39.50 | Pendalar | basically what happens is that a description from the later one is plugged into the previous |
| 22:39.56 | Pendalar | let me find an example |
| 22:44.26 | Pendalar | there is one at pimprint / pipeman packages I think |
| 22:44.36 | Pendalar | it's much easier to see the problem on the zaurus than http |
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| 22:51.29 | George- | re |
| 22:52.51 | mark | George-: boo |
| 22:54.11 | mewyn` | foo. time to reinstall windows |
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| 23:24.17 | jwiz | is there a searchable archive of the mailing list? |
| 23:24.26 | jwiz | openzaurus-users, i mean |
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| 23:47.08 | {aaron} | how can I take a screenshot from my zaurus? |
| 23:47.47 | rev | download a screenshot app |
| 23:47.53 | {aaron} | ok |
| 23:47.55 | rev | like from zsi |
| 23:48.04 | George- | "Don't take life too serioiusly... You'll never come out of it alive" ;) |
| 23:48.09 | rev | ibot help |
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| 23:49.14 | {aaron} | rev: dead link! |
| 23:50.18 | rev | there is likely more than one |
| 23:50.21 | rev | try google |
| 23:50.22 | rev | etc |
| 23:50.25 | rev | i mean |
| 23:50.26 | rev | jeeze |
| 23:50.29 | rev | or do what others have done |
| 23:50.33 | rev | put a vnc server on your Z |
| 23:50.37 | rev | and take a SS from your desktop |
| 23:56.17 | zoid | sup rev |
| 23:56.28 | zoid | you able to figure anything out about that image viewer? |
| 23:56.48 | zoid | if i could mount a loop device in linux, then i would, but i get some error about my fstab when i try, heh |
| 23:58.28 | zoid | actually, it's my kernel |
| 23:58.43 | zoid | i wonder if i trus tmy computer enough to reboot it remotely :) |
