| 00:00.15 | noidd | kergoth: when you try hit OK it complains it doesn'y have enough storage space |
| 00:00.22 | noidd | and I havnt installed anything on it yet |
| 00:00.24 | noidd | :-) |
| 00:00.38 | kergoth | err, why would systemtime care about free space? |
| 00:00.41 | kergoth | thtas odd |
| 00:01.43 | Pendalar | space to write the conf with the ntp servers? |
| 00:01.53 | noidd | dont know - give it a try |
| 00:02.09 | kergoth | mine doesnt complain |
| 00:02.13 | kergoth | what did you change in the box? |
| 00:02.28 | noidd | nothing |
| 00:02.38 | noidd | it still shows time.fu-berlin.de |
| 00:02.45 | kergoth | hm |
| 00:02.48 | noidd | only other thing I changed was timezone to London |
| 00:03.07 | kergoth | i cant repro it |
| 00:03.10 | kergoth | can you? |
| 00:03.17 | noidd | exact wording: "Unable to create startup files. Please free up some space before entering data |
| 00:03.22 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:03.37 | sieve | later all |
| 00:03.38 | yeiazel | xmms from rc2 asks for libopie11 on rc3.1... what can I do to force the xmms installation ? |
| 00:03.43 | noidd | I ticked and unticked Advanced settings too btw |
| 00:03.56 | noidd | but didn't change anything there |
| 00:04.22 | noidd | just curioos to see what they were ;-) |
| 00:04.44 | titeuf | heure de dodo, bn tlm |
| 00:04.48 | kergoth | yeiazel: -force-depends |
| 00:04.53 | noidd | System Info claims there is 2meg free on Int. Storage |
| 00:04.55 | _Psycho | a plus titeuf |
| 00:05.20 | Pendalar | I still have my opie mail issues ;-) |
| 00:05.41 | Pendalar | it knows I have new email, I know I have new email because I sent it as a test, but it doesn't show in my inbox |
| 00:05.47 | yeiazel | kergoth: it installs opie-base from rc2... I have cancelled it... was it right ? |
| 00:05.51 | Pendalar | and I can't stop the blinkinggggg heh |
| 00:06.01 | Pendalar | you don't need opie-base |
| 00:06.22 | yeiazel | I know |
| 00:06.29 | yeiazel | but it installs it automatically |
| 00:06.31 | kergoth | well, the problem is ipkg isnt obeying Provides |
| 00:06.35 | kergoth | wget it and install it locally |
| 00:06.44 | kergoth | if ipkg obeyed Provides, it'd see that you already have opi e-base installed. |
| 00:06.51 | yeiazel | ok |
| 00:07.33 | Pendalar | proc/swaps is empty as well |
| 00:07.57 | Pendalar | who makes these things??? j/k |
| 00:08.39 | kergoth | heh, why would there be swap? the Z isnt using a swapfile or swap partition..? |
| 00:08.40 | noidd | disconnecting from screen sess - later |
| 00:08.54 | kergoth | later |
| 00:08.57 | Pendalar | well it's swap like, it should count |
| 00:09.07 | Pendalar | as CF is used as a pcmcia device |
| 00:09.12 | Pendalar | since it's the closest thing there |
| 00:09.34 | kergoth | what? |
| 00:09.49 | kergoth | cf is a storage medium, i fail to see the connection |
| 00:09.57 | yeiazel | kergoth: what do you mean by "install it locally"... ipkg xmms*.ipk does the same thing |
| 00:10.12 | kergoth | yeiazel: disable your stable feed. |
| 00:10.12 | mewyn | holy shit. there was a pocket watch with 24 functions besides hours and mins. |
| 00:10.17 | kergoth | yeiazel: its causing problems |
| 00:10.20 | yeiazel | kergoth: oh, right :) |
| 00:10.23 | Pendalar | sometimes if it isn't exactly listed as a choice, you chose something close.. like the CF == pcmcia connect on the zaurus |
| 00:10.49 | Pendalar | on the same note, the ram should be akin to swap |
| 00:10.59 | Pendalar | since it's the closest it has to true swap |
| 00:11.26 | Pendalar | doh brb |
| 00:11.58 | zoid | how do you know when the flash is done? |
| 00:12.03 | zoid | when the two lights turn off? |
| 00:12.08 | yeiazel | yes |
| 00:12.30 | zoid | so then i hit the full reset again, and i'm ready to test it out? |
| 00:12.35 | yeiazel | yes |
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| 00:47.27 | Shdwdrgn | WOOT! My Lexar SD card arrived today, and I got the refund in for the SanDisk card yestarday. Life is sweet! |
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| 01:00.20 | Zarchon | Is there any way to convince konqueror to send a valid User-Agent from the Z? |
| 01:00.59 | Zarchon | I'm trying to access the lanl archives, and it doesn't like anonymous web clients. |
| 01:01.25 | Zarchon | anyone home? |
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| 01:04.19 | zgabe | so, does smbfs let me export my zaurus' fs to windows machines? |
| 01:04.38 | kergoth | samba does |
| 01:04.43 | kergoth | not smbfs |
| 01:06.12 | zgabe | ah |
| 01:06.43 | zgabe | is there a graphical configurator for samba on the Z? |
| 01:06.52 | kergoth | not afaik |
| 01:07.31 | zgabe | hm.is it easy to configure by cli? |
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| 01:17.43 | WoodsDog | zgabe: there isn't even a good samba graphical configurator for linux |
| 01:18.02 | WoodsDog | zgabe, it isn't too bad on the cli |
| 01:18.42 | kergoth | the web based swat works well.. |
| 01:18.57 | _Psycho | mandrake had a cute one from memory |
| 01:18.58 | _Psycho | ;) |
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| 01:23.22 | andrew___ | Yay! Sharp replied to my Zaurus problem! |
| 01:25.29 | Pendalar | I emailed sharp 2 weeks ago |
| 01:25.31 | Pendalar | nothing yet |
| 01:25.52 | andrew___ | Well, I emailed them less than a week ago. ;) I guess my problem was more pertaintant than yours. |
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| 02:16.48 | *** topic/#zaurus is Sharp PDA Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || http://openzaurus.org/ || OpenZaurus 3.1-rc3 released! || HSN deal will be back on April 5th, sorry! (The original date for its apeareance) || Check out docs.zaurus.com for docs! |
| 02:19.12 | Pendalar | on some level I was some swiss cheese |
| 02:19.22 | Pendalar | yet on deeper levels I crave chedder |
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| 02:31.25 | ljp | have both |
| 02:33.37 | Pendalar | on? |
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| 02:50.05 | Shdwdrgn | does anyone know if there's a particular package that needs to be updated in OZrc3.1 to get the shutdown problem fixed? |
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| 02:57.39 | Pendalar | no, it's being worked on |
| 02:57.54 | Pendalar | will be fixed soon, in the next release |
| 02:58.04 | Pendalar | you can shutdown via console though |
| 03:00.08 | kergoth`bbl | Shdwdrgn: grab opie-taskbar from unstable |
| 03:00.09 | cbok | KERGOTH |
| 03:00.12 | kergoth`bbl | WHAT |
| 03:00.15 | cbok | goddamnit |
| 03:00.23 | Pendalar | beat his ass |
| 03:00.27 | cbok | alright, so i attempted to update hostap |
| 03:00.31 | Pendalar | quick before he forgets what he did |
| 03:00.33 | cbok | uninstalled the one i had |
| 03:00.36 | cbok | no go |
| 03:00.36 | cbok | wtf |
| 03:00.39 | cbok | i am stupid |
| 03:00.45 | cbok | you, are all knowledgable |
| 03:00.53 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 03:01.03 | kergoth`bbl | brownnoser |
| 03:01.10 | cbok | serious |
| 03:01.32 | Pendalar | always a good first step |
| 03:01.43 | cbok | how do i achieve this update when a) the shit in testing wont update |
| 03:01.48 | cbok | and b) the shit in unstable wont update |
| 03:01.53 | cbok | the aopkg bitches at me |
| 03:02.13 | Shdwdrgn | ok thanks |
| 03:02.45 | Pendalar | kergoth what happened to 'if you update any of opie, you damn better update all of it' |
| 03:02.55 | Pendalar | taskbar could blow up on him |
| 03:03.09 | kergoth`bbl | Pendalar: I watch opie cvs, there havent been any API changes to the core libraries that would break taskbar. |
| 03:03.25 | Shdwdrgn | hey Denver... Longmont welcomes you <grin> |
| 03:03.51 | kergoth`bbl | cbok: drpo to console, ipkg remove -force-depends hostap-modules; .. disable testing and stable .. ipkg install hostap-modules |
| 03:03.52 | Pendalar | it was a semi-humorous retorical remark directed at your general synicality |
| 03:04.07 | Pendalar | =-P |
| 03:04.07 | Shdwdrgn | damnit... the two OZ packages in unstable that I did update broke something... system won't boot now |
| 03:04.15 | kergoth`bbl | hah |
| 03:04.41 | treke|home | <Shdwdrgn> two small ones. oz-base and sysvinit |
| 03:04.53 | Shdwdrgn | yep that sounds like the ones |
| 03:05.00 | Pendalar | run from those 2 |
| 03:05.04 | Pendalar | far far away |
| 03:05.10 | Shdwdrgn | too late |
| 03:05.12 | cbok | kg - i understand the executionary steps |
| 03:05.15 | kergoth`bbl | yeah, there were huge changes to the base packages |
| 03:05.19 | cbok | which feed does one pull this from? |
| 03:05.21 | kergoth`bbl | modutils, ipkg, sysvinit, oz-base, etc |
| 03:05.26 | cbok | hostap-modules that is |
| 03:05.27 | treke|home | cbok: yes first you put your head on the block |
| 03:05.30 | kergoth`bbl | cbok: it'll grab it from whatever feeds you have enabled. |
| 03:05.31 | treke|home | cbok: then we cut it off |
| 03:06.01 | kergoth`bbl | cbok: disable stable, testing. ipkg update, ipkg install hostap-modules |
| 03:06.09 | kergoth`bbl | woo |
| 03:06.09 | cbok | OOOH |
| 03:06.12 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 03:06.24 | cbok | ok kg, what a really, really cute woman i met tonight in denver |
| 03:06.35 | cbok | she surfs, snowboards and skii's.. |
| 03:06.40 | kergoth | nice |
| 03:07.00 | cbok | she was all like "you surf.." |
| 03:07.08 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:07.09 | kergoth | got a #? |
| 03:07.11 | cbok | i am, however, off the market, so... |
| 03:07.12 | cbok | :-D |
| 03:07.15 | kergoth | ahh |
| 03:07.15 | Shdwdrgn | oh damn... you mean you have to have a CF card INSERTED before reflashing the Z? <grin> |
| 03:07.18 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:07.35 | Shdwdrgn | details details |
| 03:07.40 | cbok | seriously kg - a los angeles 9 |
| 03:07.43 | cbok | outta 10 |
| 03:07.50 | cbok | oh, with no fake parts |
| 03:07.54 | Pendalar | hah |
| 03:07.58 | Pendalar | it would help |
| 03:08.16 | Pendalar | kergoth got no time for the ladies =-( |
| 03:08.22 | treke|home | third party hardware is such a pain in the ass |
| 03:08.24 | kergoth | cbok: damn.. murphy's law man, you always find them when you're off the market. |
| 03:08.35 | cbok | kg - i know.. |
| 03:08.57 | cbok | and, to top it off, i don't usually sit down to dinner by myself when i travel (because i'm usually working and get it take out)... so its all the weird things tonight.. |
| 03:09.00 | _Psycho | working on one atm, but hmmm dont know if that will give anything yet |
| 03:09.01 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 03:09.20 | _Psycho | anyway |
| 03:09.26 | _Psycho | Womens are Evil ! |
| 03:09.28 | cbok | oh, and i gave her my long boarding mag. :) |
| 03:09.29 | _Psycho | nuff said |
| 03:10.07 | kergoth | hah. shoulda got a #. ipkg upgrade girlfriend && echo 'woot!' |
| 03:10.31 | cbok | OH GOD |
| 03:10.31 | cbok | :) |
| 03:11.17 | ljp | denver? |
| 03:11.37 | cbok | DT DENVER |
| 03:12.29 | ljp | what are you doing there? |
| 03:13.04 | kergoth | passing up opportunity, apparently |
| 03:13.04 | kergoth | :P |
| 03:13.16 | ljp | hehe |
| 03:13.54 | cbok | working |
| 03:13.57 | cbok | working... |
| 03:14.00 | cbok | until wednesday |
| 03:14.07 | cbok | kg - when you have a fiance @ home |
| 03:14.11 | cbok | you have to pass up opportunities |
| 03:14.13 | cbok | :-( |
| 03:14.23 | cbok | well... |
| 03:14.25 | cbok | :-) |
| 03:14.26 | cbok | as well |
| 03:15.04 | ljp | I am about 30 minutes North of you |
| 03:15.27 | zoid | ok, i've got OZ installed, but can't get my wireless card up |
| 03:15.40 | zoid | it's a WCF12, where should i start looking? |
| 03:16.02 | kergoth | uninstall hostap-modules, grab the version in unstable |
| 03:16.35 | zoid | k |
| 03:16.46 | kergoth | or you can grab the experimental rom, which should include the one ya want |
| 03:17.04 | cbok | ljp - where? |
| 03:17.52 | zoid | kergoth: how stable is it? |
| 03:18.16 | zoid | kergoth: this is the first day i've had my zaurus :) i don't want things to crash and mess up on me this early in the game :) |
| 03:18.18 | kergoth | zoid: havent found any new bugs in it yet, and it fixes a number of bugs in the current release |
| 03:18.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:18.27 | zoid | where can i get it at? |
| 03:18.39 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/ |
| 03:18.46 | kergoth | grab the latest rootfs-*.bin, rename to initrd.bin and flash it |
| 03:18.53 | kergoth | brb |
| 03:18.59 | zoid | do i use the same zImage? |
| 03:19.05 | Pendalar | when is opie 1.0 coming? |
| 03:19.07 | zoid | (same as i did before?) |
| 03:19.11 | kergoth | zoid: grab a zImage from that url too |
| 03:19.14 | zoid | k |
| 03:19.18 | kergoth | k brb |
| 03:19.51 | cbok | zoid - u have 5500 or 5600? |
| 03:20.01 | zoid | 5500 |
| 03:20.06 | cbok | new or used? |
| 03:20.10 | zoid | new |
| 03:20.21 | cbok | how come you didn't wait to get a 5600? |
| 03:20.42 | ljp | cbok: Longmont |
| 03:20.46 | cbok | no shit? |
| 03:20.47 | cbok | cool |
| 03:20.49 | zoid | cbok: cuz i'm tight for money, and this was the hsn deal :) |
| 03:20.55 | _Psycho | get a c700 if you want to get a 5600 |
| 03:20.57 | _Psycho | 69$ worth it |
| 03:20.58 | cbok | how much on dsn? |
| 03:21.04 | cbok | er hsn. |
| 03:21.06 | _Psycho | 170$ on hsn ? |
| 03:21.07 | cbok | yeah, the c700 is nice |
| 03:21.09 | _Psycho | good deal |
| 03:21.10 | ljp | scanline is in Boulder |
| 03:21.12 | zoid | $168 |
| 03:21.20 | cbok | nice |
| 03:21.21 | zoid | couldn't pass it up :) |
| 03:21.27 | cbok | i've spend much much time in boulder |
| 03:21.30 | ljp | hardwire is in Fort Collins |
| 03:21.31 | cbok | in fact, i was there monday |
| 03:21.44 | ljp | I used to live in boulder |
| 03:22.06 | cbok | how long ago? and for how long |
| 03:22.30 | ljp | off and on. last time was about 5 years ago |
| 03:22.34 | cbok | wow |
| 03:22.44 | cbok | what company(ies) did you work for there? |
| 03:23.05 | ljp | oh, nothing technical |
| 03:23.08 | cbok | i worked for a guy named g. wyndham hannaway |
| 03:23.14 | ljp | puddle car wash. :) |
| 03:23.24 | cbok | right above univeristy cycle |
| 03:23.25 | ljp | heh that was about 15 years ago |
| 03:23.26 | cbok | on perl and 4th |
| 03:23.43 | cbok | sheesh |
| 03:25.13 | cbok | hummada |
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| 03:25.24 | ljp | also went to uni there |
| 03:25.25 | cbok | ljp - what are you now doing in longmont? |
| 03:25.29 | cbok | OOOOH |
| 03:25.30 | cbok | nice |
| 03:25.31 | cbok | :) |
| 03:25.58 | ljp | oh, I own a shop here, but trying to sell it, and move onto something else |
| 03:26.17 | cbok | what type of shot? |
| 03:26.19 | cbok | er shop |
| 03:26.47 | ljp | oh a lame mailboxes, etc type of shipping place |
| 03:26.55 | cbok | damn, no more sharp zaurus on hsn |
| 03:26.58 | cbok | what is that lame? |
| 03:27.02 | cbok | its your own business |
| 03:27.06 | cbok | allows you to do what you want |
| 03:27.24 | ljp | true, but I am going broke, and dont make enough money anymore |
| 03:27.42 | cbok | oh, that suxx |
| 03:27.55 | cbok | do you take part in outdoor activities and things? |
| 03:27.59 | ljp | with any luck, a company in australia will hire me |
| 03:28.09 | ljp | yes, I use to be a ski bum. |
| 03:28.37 | cbok | so you'll move to australia? |
| 03:28.49 | ljp | I would if they hire me |
| 03:29.09 | ljp | I am going skiing this weekend with my bro |
| 03:29.50 | cbok | heh |
| 03:29.55 | cbok | do u have animals or anything? |
| 03:30.41 | ljp | 1 cat |
| 03:31.47 | cbok | heh |
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| 03:33.50 | warmi | http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030324-064259-1443r |
| 03:36.32 | ljp | thats bad. |
| 03:36.56 | gaurdian | UFO could have been electrocuted cat |
| 03:36.57 | gaurdian | Experts say a reported UFO sighting in Norway was probably an electrocuted cat. |
| 03:36.57 | gaurdian | People in Lardal reported seeing a fire ball explode in the night sky and fall slowly down to earth. |
| 03:36.57 | gaurdian | But investigators think they've solved the mystery after the charred body of a cat was found at the foot of an electrical mast. |
| 03:36.57 | gaurdian | They believe the unlucky cat climbed up the mast and touched a live wire, reports Aftenposten. |
| 03:36.58 | gaurdian | Lars Helge Sogn says what people saw was the cat exploding and falling off the mast. |
| 03:37.00 | gaurdian | hehe |
| 03:37.11 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:37.13 | warmi | hahaha |
| 03:39.45 | warmi | something is not right .. someone "took out" Al-Jazeera web sites |
| 03:39.49 | warmi | can't access any of them |
| 03:39.57 | gaurdian | ahh.....thats so sad :( |
| 03:39.59 | cbok | been that way since this morning |
| 03:40.03 | gaurdian | heh |
| 03:40.09 | gaurdian | so unfortunate |
| 03:40.12 | warmi | hehehe |
| 03:40.47 | warmi | yeah, I read that last night there were some DOS attack on their site |
| 03:40.58 | gaurdian | thats like Iraqui TV is suddenly off the air...so unfortunate |
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| 03:41.37 | warmi | yeah ... I wonder why the hell they waited so long with this |
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| 03:42.01 | gaurdian | wasnt a us/brit actually......no biomb raids happened. |
| 03:42.11 | {aaron} | i downloaded an .ipk... now how do I get it into my zaurus? the qtopia desktop doesn't seem to do much |
| 03:42.12 | gaurdian | was eitherr special forces or Kurdish |
| 03:42.21 | warmi | they are saying it was actually bombed |
| 03:42.31 | gaurdian | yea |
| 03:42.40 | warmi | {aaron}: what kind of connection do you have to your Zaurus ? |
| 03:42.42 | warmi | just USB ? |
| 03:42.47 | {aaron} | yes |
| 03:43.00 | {aaron} | "upload file" is greyed out in qtopia desktop |
| 03:43.40 | {aaron} | "there is no connection to the pda, upload aborted" |
| 03:43.58 | warmi | hmm .. I don't know - looks like your USB connection is shaky |
| 03:44.09 | warmi | frankly, I never used qtopia desktop for real |
| 03:44.26 | warmi | I just use ethernet card with samba mounted drives etc .. stuff like that |
| 03:44.38 | warmi | perhaps someone else here knows more about qtopia desktop |
| 03:45.35 | {aaron} | i should probably look at the manual |
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| 03:45.44 | gaurdian | what a novel idea |
| 03:46.00 | warmi | {aaron} : check this site as well :http://docs.zaurus.com/ |
| 03:46.24 | warmi | gaurdian : so what do you think .. is this war going well or not / |
| 03:46.26 | warmi | ? |
| 03:46.31 | gaurdian | I think so |
| 03:46.44 | gaurdian | Losses are minimal |
| 03:47.13 | gaurdian | Baghdad is gonna be the challenge |
| 03:47.24 | gaurdian | that could be bloody |
| 03:47.27 | warmi | yeah, 20-30 dead seems quite small for a war of this size |
| 03:47.34 | gaurdian | exactly |
| 03:47.54 | warmi | who knows what will happen .. maybe they will simply fold, maybe the same thing will happen as it is happening in Basra |
| 03:47.55 | gaurdian | people freaking about the deaths but WTF its WAR, what ya expect |
| 03:48.07 | gaurdian | aye.....one can hope |
| 03:48.39 | gaurdian | If Iraq uses chem/bio weapons, man I wouldent want to be on the recieveing end of the retaliation |
| 03:48.44 | warmi | whatever happens they should just go all the way - no more half-ass shit vietnam-style |
| 03:48.51 | gaurdian | I agree |
| 03:49.02 | ljp | ya maybe bush will resign in disgrace and end this craziness |
| 03:49.21 | gaurdian | Tommy Franks was asked what will happen if they use WMD, he thought a bit and said we have plans for that. |
| 03:49.30 | gaurdian | heh |
| 03:49.58 | warmi | ljp: and perhaps we should then just send list of proposed targets in US streight to Bin Laden .. considering he is busy running away these day, it might come handy to him |
| 03:50.20 | warmi | ljp: you would be just as opposed to a war in Afghanistan if US went there before 9/11 |
| 03:50.26 | gaurdian | whatever happens, I think Saddam is as good as a dead man |
| 03:50.35 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:50.51 | warmi | well, he might be able to get the hell out of there one way or another |
| 03:51.00 | warmi | I know Belarus offered to take him in |
| 03:51.15 | gaurdian | I dont think so...to many people Iraqui's included want his scalp |
| 03:51.59 | warmi | gaurdian : true, but you got to consider the fact that they were under his regime for the last 30 years or so |
| 03:52.03 | warmi | they are scared to death |
| 03:52.15 | gaurdian | were is the operative word.. |
| 03:52.45 | warmi | kergoth: nah .. if they were you would see milions flee Bagdad as it was in the first gulf war .. |
| 03:52.54 | warmi | nobody is leaving |
| 03:52.55 | gaurdian | kergoth , and damm strait they Iraqui military shoiuld be |
| 03:52.56 | ljp | they all just need to smoke some turkish hashish and chill |
| 03:53.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:53.27 | warmi | whatever happens, as guardian said, Saddam will be out of power |
| 03:54.01 | warmi | I bet , Iran, Syria are scare shitless .. |
| 03:54.20 | gaurdian | Actually, I was just reading a story about Iran getting a bit nervous |
| 03:54.36 | gaurdian | There will be American troops on 2 borders |
| 03:55.08 | warmi | well, and another thing is that their own population is not exactly happy with the current situation in iRan |
| 03:55.19 | gaurdian | No kidding....... |
| 03:55.28 | gaurdian | with all the protests goin on there |
| 03:55.28 | warmi | they had some massive protests of students against current regime recently |
| 03:55.40 | warmi | some of them actually waiving US flags |
| 03:56.06 | gaurdian | Ya know whats interesting, how Liybia has chilled out a LOT after Regan bombed him for the airline bomb |
| 03:56.21 | gaurdian | Lybia has actually passed info on to the US |
| 03:56.29 | warmi | yeah, heh .. |
| 03:56.37 | gaurdian | Dont hear much from Momar any more |
| 03:56.42 | warmi | Kadafi managed to piss half of Arab world |
| 03:56.50 | warmi | and there is no more USSR |
| 03:56.56 | warmi | so he is running scared as well |
| 03:57.17 | gaurdian | keeping very low profile.....being a good boy walking on glass |
| 03:58.21 | warmi | gaurdian :did you hear that Germany is organizing boycotts of US goods ? |
| 03:59.18 | warmi | I don't know how sucesfull they will be .. perhaps as much as Us boycotts of french stuff - meaning not much |
| 03:59.21 | warmi | but who knows |
| 03:59.23 | {aaron} | what is a "USB network"? I have the USB cable attached to a computer which is on a network...is that the same thing?? |
| 04:00.13 | gaurdian | Yea I herd that |
| 04:00.15 | warmi | I think, in this context, USB network means a connection between your computer and the zaurus |
| 04:00.46 | gaurdian | Maby we should charge their asses for protecting them for the last 20 years |
| 04:00.48 | {aaron} | i think i have to turn on internet connection sharing... |
| 04:01.10 | {aaron} | but i shouldn't, just to connect |
| 04:01.18 | warmi | gaurdian: I heard recently french mob attacked some McDonalds in Paris .. |
| 04:01.38 | warmi | aaron: I think you will need since zaurus uses TCP/IP connection for syncing |
| 04:01.43 | gaurdian | LIke Russia, selling GPS jammers and night Vision stuff to the Iraqui Military and France selling them spare parts for their jets...gee...no UN Sanction violations there |
| 04:01.51 | warmi | aaron: you are using windows 2000 ? |
| 04:01.53 | warmi | or XP ? |
| 04:02.25 | gaurdian | WOOOTT!!! Protesters got slapped down :) |
| 04:02.30 | gaurdian | heh |
| 04:02.35 | {aaron} | 2000 |
| 04:02.42 | *** join/#zaurus Shdwdrgn (Picard@sourpuss.net) |
| 04:02.50 | warmi | gaurdian: yeah .. on the other hand their shit is worthless since US used gps-guided bombs to destroy their "gps jammers" :-) |
| 04:03.01 | {aaron} | i am on a local network 192.168.0.x but i don't really care about reaching the internet, i just want to talk to my PC so i can upload the Terminal ipk |
| 04:03.33 | kergoth | {aaron}: you dont need to enable ICS to get connectivity between the host and the Z |
| 04:03.46 | *** join/#zaurus zoid-zaurus (zoid@nr9-216-68-182-1.fuse.net) |
| 04:04.22 | zoid-zaurus | what do i need to do to install packages to my sd card |
| 04:04.39 | {aaron} | kergoth: i didn't think so |
| 04:04.40 | zoid-zaurus | i keep getting errors saying it cant link things |
| 04:04.43 | Bala | aaron: statically configure the proper TCP/IP settings for the win2k connection |
| 04:04.54 | zoid-zaurus | and i got some error about the hancomcreator |
| 04:05.18 | warmi | gaurian: I think this is just the tip of the iceberg - I am sure they will find a lot of incriminating stuff as far as German and French cooperation with iraq is concerned |
| 04:05.25 | {aaron} | shouldn't i at least be able to upload files to the Z without TCP/IP and stuff? |
| 04:05.45 | Bala | zoid-zaurus: you can only link if you've formatted the SD card to ext2... |
| 04:05.50 | Bala | aaron: no. |
| 04:06.13 | zoid-zaurus | bala how do i do that |
| 04:06.19 | {aaron} | Bala: should I be able to specify an arbitrary IP for the Zaurus? |
| 04:06.25 | warmi | aaron: the sad truth is that syncing on the zaurus is basically fucked up |
| 04:06.36 | {aaron} | warmi: even on windows? :/ |
| 04:06.43 | kergoth | there's nothing wrong with the use of usb networking as the communication means |
| 04:06.44 | gaurdian | cant wait to see "Made in France" and "Made in Germany" all over that crap |
| 04:07.02 | Bala | aaron: i statically configure both IP's |
| 04:07.18 | {aaron} | kergoth: can you give me a clue how to do this then? I have a stock 5500 attached to a w2k machine through USB and qtopia desktop and I just want to upload an ipk |
| 04:07.19 | gaurdian | and "Made in Russia" |
| 04:07.37 | warmi | gaurdian: hehe ... yeah, there is a reason why Chirac went to such lengths opposing US |
| 04:07.41 | kergoth | rtfm. |
| 04:07.43 | gaurdian | yup |
| 04:07.44 | {aaron} | Bala: what "both ips"? my w2k machine already has an ip on the local network... |
| 04:08.03 | kergoth | {aaron}: he's talking about IPs not on your LAN, but on the USB network connection |
| 04:08.10 | kergoth | it runs _ehternet_ over the usb connection |
| 04:08.13 | Bala | aaron: yes but the USB connection will have IP's |
| 04:08.23 | kergoth | so the Z and the desktop each have an IP on that independent network |
| 04:08.24 | warmi | gaurdian : so I gather you are not going to visit France or Germany any time soon ? |
| 04:08.25 | Bala | like kergoth said |
| 04:08.25 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:08.27 | {aaron} | kergoth: yeah, but since it's not really "on the lan" what does it matter what IP it is? |
| 04:08.42 | {aaron} | i'll pick an IP that is NOT routed over the lan (non 192.168.x) |
| 04:08.45 | kergoth | {aaron}: not really. default is 192.168.129.201 for the Z, 192.168.129.1 for the desktop |
| 04:08.47 | gaurdian | nope.... |
| 04:09.12 | kergoth | if your lan is 192.168.0.x, the defaults are fine, assuming a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 |
| 04:09.13 | {aaron} | kergoth: i see nowhere to specify desktop IP from the Z |
| 04:09.13 | gaurdian | PLan on going to cancoon for our 10th annaversary |
| 04:09.22 | kergoth | {aaron}: you dont on the Z. you do in windows |
| 04:09.28 | kergoth | {aaron}: under network connections in control panel |
| 04:09.38 | {aaron} | kergoth: yeah, it's been 192.168.0.2 long before i got the Z |
| 04:09.41 | kergoth | {aaron}: there's a zaurus network connection |
| 04:09.48 | warmi | have fun then |
| 04:09.56 | {aaron} | i'll try putting the Z on 192.168.0.x |
| 04:10.01 | gaurdian | maby not cancoon, want to find some small island. |
| 04:10.05 | kergoth | {aaron}: uh, no. |
| 04:10.09 | gaurdian | just hang for a week and chill |
| 04:10.18 | warmi | crap... looks like iraqi TV is still on air with poor signal |
| 04:10.18 | gaurdian | have a year to plan |
| 04:10.19 | kergoth | {aaron}: just use the defaults |
| 04:10.27 | {aaron} | i do use the default and it doesn't work |
| 04:10.31 | minipanda | hi! where can i find the "apache server howto" ? seems it no longer on zauruszone :-( |
| 04:10.36 | kergoth | then you're doing something else wrong. |
| 04:10.49 | warmi | guardian: I am sure US will "fix" that mistake soon |
| 04:11.05 | gaurdian | heh |
| 04:11.36 | Bala | aaron: thats cause win2k screws up.. you have to statically configure the USB connection to be 192.168.129.1.. by default it will get assigned somethign that doesnt work.. at least it did for me. |
| 04:11.41 | minipanda | please give me some Docs about howto config or howto start my apache on my zaurus! :-) |
| 04:11.55 | warmi | minipanda: uh .. why would you want to do that ? |
| 04:12.30 | {aaron} | Bala: "statically configure" it on the Z side? |
| 04:12.47 | Bala | both ideally... |
| 04:12.57 | warmi | minipanda :http://zsi2.stonekeep.com/index.php?q=apache&v=s |
| 04:13.07 | Bala | you confugyre the USB connection on the Z to be 192.168.129.201 |
| 04:13.19 | {aaron} | yeah that's what I have |
| 04:13.24 | Bala | and configgure the win2k usb connection to be 192.168.129.1 |
| 04:13.48 | {aaron} | Bala: where do I do that on the win2k side? network connections? |
| 04:13.51 | Bala | yes |
| 04:14.08 | Bala | tcp/ip ... and then press the properties button |
| 04:14.10 | kergoth | didnt we just have this conversation? |
| 04:14.12 | {aaron} | Ah I see dammit, it dropped a new LAN in my network connections |
| 04:14.12 | kergoth | de ja fucking vu |
| 04:14.17 | warmi | minipanda: as far as configuring and starting Apache ... it should be the same as with the real thing ( I mean , it is the real thing :-) |
| 04:14.19 | {aaron} | I didn't notice that before |
| 04:14.22 | Bala | :) |
| 04:14.27 | kergoth | 22:10 <@kergoth> {aaron}: under network connections in control pane |
| 04:14.31 | kergoth | 22:10 <@kergoth> {aaron}: there's a zaurus network connection |
| 04:14.41 | minipanda | thanks warmi! i'm reading now! :-) |
| 04:14.53 | {aaron} | kergoth: yes since I already had a LAN i thought that's what you were referring to...my fault |
| 04:15.04 | kergoth | ZAURUS NETWORK CONNECTION |
| 04:15.09 | kergoth | not LOCAL NETWORK CONNECTION |
| 04:15.13 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 04:15.29 | {aaron} | nevertheless it says "Local Area Connection" |
| 04:15.35 | kergoth | of course it does |
| 04:15.39 | Bala | they all say that |
| 04:15.59 | kergoth | Bala: is it just me, or are the users more dense everyday? |
| 04:16.08 | Bala | its just you |
| 04:16.12 | warmi | hehehe |
| 04:16.13 | kergoth | liar :) |
| 04:16.27 | kergoth | ~kill {aaron} |
| 04:16.28 | | ACTION slits {aaron}'s throat |
| 04:16.28 | treke|home | kergoth: it isnt just you |
| 04:16.59 | warmi | treke : you don't do support as your day job, do you ? |
| 04:17.03 | treke|home | no |
| 04:17.06 | Bala | aaron: so just configure that new connection to have the 192.168.129.1 IP and then yopu should be able to connect to the Z |
| 04:17.20 | {aaron} | Bala: yep, gotta restart apparently |
| 04:17.34 | Bala | when you start up Qtopia Desktop .. the little icon in the lower right will turn green |
| 04:17.42 | Bala | cause its connected |
| 04:18.25 | Bala | man.. he doesnt even stay for me to finish my instructions. :( |
| 04:23.27 | warmi | looks like he just got his Zaurus |
| 04:23.49 | zoid | failed to link /mnt/card/. to /. (what's that mean)? |
| 04:23.54 | kergoth | zoid: harmless |
| 04:24.14 | zoid | ok |
| 04:25.02 | zoid | kergoth:anything i need to know about installing everything to SD? |
| 04:25.21 | kergoth | if the card is vfat, dont install libraries there. |
| 04:25.31 | kergoth | if its ext2, no worries |
| 04:25.41 | zoid | i just formatted it ext2 |
| 04:25.56 | zoid | workin' on konqueror-snapshot-full now |
| 04:26.21 | kergoth | if you're on OZ, edit /etc/fstab and make sure user isnt in the options for /var |
| 04:26.50 | zoid | k |
| 04:26.56 | zoid | what's that do/mean? |
| 04:27.03 | kergoth | 'user'? |
| 04:27.09 | kergoth | means a normal user can mount it |
| 04:27.14 | zoid | ok |
| 04:27.18 | kergoth | but it also means 'noexec' is set, hwich means you can run things |
| 04:27.26 | kergoth | like .. the ipk maintainer scripts |
| 04:27.31 | zoid | ahh |
| 04:27.32 | kergoth | so things like konq fail to install |
| 04:27.43 | zoid | how do i type : on the keyboard? |
| 04:27.51 | zoid | it's got . and : on that key, heh |
| 04:27.55 | kergoth | shift |
| 04:28.01 | kergoth | shift+thatkey |
| 04:28.15 | zoid | where's shift? |
| 04:28.16 | kergoth | shift being the uparrow on the left side of the keyboard |
| 04:28.44 | zoid | ahh :) got it, heh |
| 04:28.56 | zoid | and no "user" wasn't in fstab for /var |
| 04:29.00 | kergoth | okay good |
| 04:29.02 | kergoth | just checking |
| 04:29.05 | kergoth | it was in 3.1-rc3.1 |
| 04:29.13 | kergoth | you're on the experimental, right? |
| 04:29.16 | zoid | (i'm running the newest unstable you told me about) :) |
| 04:29.23 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 04:29.52 | zoid | w00t! konqueror works :) |
| 04:29.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:29.59 | zoid | this is starting to get fun :) |
| 04:30.10 | zoid | it was frustrating at first, but i've learned, heh |
| 04:30.43 | kergoth | how are you liking OZ so far? its powerful and flexible, but changes alot |
| 04:30.54 | zoid | seems nice so far |
| 04:31.01 | zoid | although konqueror just crashed, heh |
| 04:31.19 | kergoth | konq seems to crash on certain web pages |
| 04:31.21 | kergoth | its weird. |
| 04:31.21 | Bala | anyone here familiar with the ixp1200 network processor? |
| 04:31.50 | zoid | is there a better browser? |
| 04:32.07 | kergoth | zoid: not really. you can rip opera from the sharp rom though |
| 04:32.34 | zoid | how does one do that? |
| 04:32.43 | zoid | cuz i need to get the word/excel viewers too |
| 04:32.48 | kergoth | go to ZSI |
| 04:32.51 | kergoth | killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 04:32.53 | kergoth | ibot: zsi hancom |
| 04:32.57 | kergoth | ibot: zsi opera |
| 04:33.02 | kergoth | ibot: zsi jeodcreator |
| 04:33.50 | kergoth | zoid: so you'll reflash sharp, install the creator ipks, then copy the opera, hancom, jeode ipks off the Z |
| 04:33.55 | kergoth | zoid: then reflash oz and install em |
| 04:34.31 | *** join/#zaurus {aaron} (user@syr-24-59-72-77.twcny.rr.com) |
| 04:35.13 | zoid | heh, glad you told me before i started configing OZ more, heh |
| 04:35.13 | minipanda | so anyone tell me again what's the main propuse of using apache on zaurus? |
| 04:35.14 | *** join/#zaurus Shdwdrgn (Picard@sourpuss.net) |
| 04:35.39 | minipanda | give me some ideas please! |
| 04:35.41 | kergoth | zoid: yeah, i dont have a license to distribute those apps.. so gotta rip em out |
| 04:36.03 | *** join/#zaurus darmou (~darmou@dyn40.mel1.homedsl.pacific.net.au) |
| 04:36.04 | zoid | i see |
| 04:36.10 | zoid | what's the jeode? |
| 04:36.20 | zoid | i noticed some sample apps in sharps rom it seemed |
| 04:36.40 | kergoth | jeode is the java VM |
| 04:36.45 | kergoth | if you want to be able to run java apps |
| 04:37.02 | kergoth | cause we dont have a good open source one yet |
| 04:37.33 | zoid | ahh, i see |
| 04:38.09 | zoid | this thing's a bitch to flash with only one person, heh |
| 04:38.37 | darmou | Hi all does anyone know how to install konqueror on oz, I keep getting an error message abour /tmp/ipkg-UFmBne/konq ... permission denied |
| 04:38.55 | kergoth | darmou: we just had this conversation actually :) remove ,user from the /var entry in /etc/fstab |
| 04:39.02 | kergoth | zoid: see thats the error i was talking about :) |
| 04:39.08 | zoid | :) |
| 04:39.18 | darmou | kergoth thanks |
| 04:39.21 | kergoth | np |
| 04:39.27 | zoid | kergoth: can i use a CF card with other stuff on it to flash? or does it have to be completly blank? |
| 04:39.33 | kergoth | doesnt have to be blank |
| 04:39.37 | kergoth | mine is full of shit |
| 04:40.09 | zoid | ok good, hope the one from my digi cam is formatted right |
| 04:40.19 | zoid | cuz my 16mb card won't hold sharp's OSPACK |
| 04:40.29 | zoid | is that all that needs to be copied over is that OSPACK file? |
| 04:40.49 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:41.39 | zoid | i need my girlfriend here to help me flash this thing again |
| 04:41.48 | darmou | damn still failed do I have to reboot first? |
| 04:41.53 | kergoth | darmou: yeah |
| 04:42.02 | kergoth | or mount -o remount /var |
| 04:42.39 | Bala | damn.. so i buy a new SD card today.. but i cant even fill it cause i left my cradle at work :( |
| 04:42.46 | kergoth | ack |
| 04:43.11 | Bala | if only a second cradle was 80$ |
| 04:43.17 | Bala | er wasnt |
| 04:45.17 | zoid | kergoth: uh oh, flashing back to sharp had problems :/ |
| 04:45.47 | Bala | what kinda problems? |
| 04:46.08 | zoid | it's dropping me to a root shell |
| 04:46.30 | kergoth | did you see the sharp logo? |
| 04:46.54 | zoid | i think it showed up, but not 100% sure |
| 04:47.00 | zoid | it was sitting on my desk while i was reading |
| 04:47.10 | kergoth | well soft reset |
| 04:47.11 | kergoth | and see |
| 04:47.21 | zoid | how do you soft reset? |
| 04:47.43 | kergoth | flip the battery switch |
| 04:47.52 | kergoth | then flip it back |
| 04:51.50 | zoid | ok, i saw the sharp logo |
| 04:51.50 | zoid | any idea? |
| 04:52.57 | zoid | kergoth: still there? |
| 04:52.57 | Bala | log in on the console and run "/etc/init.d/opie start" and see if it spits out any error messages |
| 04:53.12 | zoid | Bala: the sharp rom has opie too? |
| 04:53.18 | Bala | i meant qpe |
| 04:53.19 | Bala | :) |
| 04:54.04 | kergoth | sounds like you didnt full reset after flashing |
| 04:54.13 | kergoth | you have to tap full reset again after the c+d+full reset procedure |
| 04:54.30 | zoid | kergoth: it just booted up on it's own |
| 04:54.51 | zoid | as soon as the flash procedure was over, it started booting |
| 04:55.07 | kergoth | full reset anyway |
| 04:55.09 | zoid | k |
| 04:56.29 | zoid | ok, i think that did the job |
| 04:56.31 | *** join/#zaurus {aaron} (user@syr-24-59-72-77.twcny.rr.com) |
| 04:57.11 | kergoth | ibot: lineo |
| 04:57.12 | | [lineo] the maker of the Embedix Plus PDA embedded linux operating system found on devices such as the Sharp Zaurus, and can be found at http://www.lineo.com, or a big fan of unnecessary complexities and convoluted code. |
| 04:57.44 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:58.36 | {aaron} | are there any docs on the various default zaurus processes...e.g. dhcpd, inetd, pppd, "chat"... |
| 04:58.44 | kergoth | docs.zaurus.com |
| 04:58.50 | cbok | that url is invalid |
| 04:58.56 | kergoth | doc.zaurus.com |
| 04:58.58 | kergoth | whatever |
| 04:58.58 | cbok | you are invalid |
| 04:58.59 | chouimat|Zzzz | ps ax |
| 04:59.05 | cbok | you need sleep |
| 04:59.12 | kergoth | mm sleep |
| 04:59.14 | cbok | you need chixx |
| 04:59.14 | *** join/#zaurus mewyn (~mike@dsl081-228-057.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 04:59.18 | kergoth | true that |
| 04:59.20 | kergoth | hey mewyn |
| 04:59.22 | cbok | you really need the chixx i met tonight |
| 04:59.44 | mewyn | hey |
| 04:59.51 | {aaron} | yes, been there, don't see anything documenting the processes...for instance, inetd, and dhcpd seem superfluous |
| 05:00.07 | kergoth | whats there to document? |
| 05:00.08 | kergoth | its linux. |
| 05:00.15 | cbok | aaron - so what are you bitching about? |
| 05:00.19 | kergoth | those processes work the same way they do in any other linux system |
| 05:00.23 | kergoth | google and linuxdoc.org are your friends |
| 05:00.27 | {aaron} | i am not "bitching" about anything |
| 05:00.39 | chouimat|Zzzz | ~laRT {aaron} |
| 05:00.53 | {aaron} | i assume processes use memory and memory uses power...am I wrong? |
| 05:01.01 | cbok | oh, i must have mistaken your babbling for actually usefull thing |
| 05:01.03 | cbok | s |
| 05:01.20 | chouimat|Zzzz | cbok: be polite |
| 05:01.25 | kergoth | dhcpd isnt used _by you_ but a lot of users leave their windows set to obtain ip automatically |
| 05:01.25 | cbok | oh sorry |
| 05:01.30 | kergoth | OZ doesnt run a dhcp server. |
| 05:01.36 | cbok | i really enjoyed your babbling |
| 05:01.43 | cbok | sir |
| 05:01.46 | zoid | kergoth: are the packages created for me during the install of hancomcreator, jeodecreator, and operacreator? |
| 05:01.57 | {aaron} | kergoth: perhaps not, but it does run a process named "dhcpd" whatever that really is |
| 05:02.00 | kergoth | zoid: yes. when you install the creator ipks, new ipks are created |
| 05:02.09 | cbok | udhcpc |
| 05:02.11 | kergoth | {aaron}: OZ doesnt run dhcpd, sharp does. |
| 05:02.18 | zoid | ok good...makin' sure they aren't multiplying on me :) |
| 05:02.27 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:02.33 | {aaron} | ah |
| 05:02.34 | cbok | you go girl! |
| 05:02.45 | kergoth | ~fishslap cbok |
| 05:02.47 | | ACTION slaps cbok up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 05:02.48 | {aaron} | then I do assume it's superfluous in the stock install if OZ doesn't need it |
| 05:03.02 | mewyn | you should get kneed in the groin for that, cbok |
| 05:03.04 | chouimat|Zzzz | ~lart cbok for fun and profit |
| 05:03.08 | kergoth | its not necessary if you are willing to manually set the ip on the windows side |
| 05:03.11 | kergoth | which you already did |
| 05:03.15 | kergoth | but not all users do |
| 05:03.18 | zoid | kergoth: where does it create those packages at? |
| 05:03.37 | kergoth | not sure. probably /root/Documents |
| 05:03.39 | kergoth | use find |
| 05:03.40 | zoid | nevermind, they're no the sd |
| 05:03.42 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:03.56 | cbok | shedesh |
| 05:03.57 | zoid | now how to get 'em off there, heh |
| 05:03.58 | cbok | you guys are mean |
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| 05:05.42 | zoid | hmm, qtopiadesktop won't get 'em |
| 05:06.05 | flipLR | anyone else having a problem w/ openzaurus locking when AQPkg is started |
| 05:06.08 | kergoth | zoid: grab em with ftp or scp |
| 05:06.16 | zoid | how can i ftp to the zaurus? |
| 05:06.20 | zoid | what ports it on again? |
| 05:06.25 | kergoth | zoid: port 4242, user root, pass rootme |
| 05:06.26 | zoid | i read it somewhere but forget |
| 05:06.29 | kergoth | flipLR: i havent seen that |
| 05:06.39 | flipLR | hmm |
| 05:06.44 | kergoth | what rom? |
| 05:06.57 | kergoth | version that is |
| 05:07.00 | flipLR | rc1, just noticed the topic |
| 05:07.15 | flipLR | er |
| 05:07.19 | flipLR | rc3.1, sorry |
| 05:07.25 | kergoth | k |
| 05:07.51 | flipLR | it appears AQPkg is just hanging, other stuff is working, but very slowly |
| 05:08.37 | flipLR | just killed it, and opie crashed, dropped me to console |
| 05:09.12 | kergoth | the 'kill that app' function kills opie itself |
| 05:09.14 | kergoth | for whatever reason |
| 05:09.39 | flipLR | i see |
| 05:10.00 | flipLR | yeah, when loading AQPkg it gets to 20% and hangs |
| 05:10.23 | kergoth | weird |
| 05:10.23 | zoid | ok, flashing back to OZ :) |
| 05:10.25 | flipLR | time to reflash i suppose |
| 05:10.33 | kergoth | flipLR: can you run ipkg list or ipkg info at the prompt? |
| 05:10.40 | flipLR | lemme check |
| 05:11.48 | flipLR | yes, works fine |
| 05:11.54 | kergoth | weird. |
| 05:11.55 | kergoth | report it. |
| 05:11.57 | kergoth | ibot: opie bugs |
| 05:11.58 | | [opie bugs] http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 05:12.14 | flipLR | i'm removing the packages i've install since it stopped working |
| 05:12.18 | kergoth | k |
| 05:12.36 | flipLR | hmm, ok, looks like it was qtopiagnuboy that was causing it |
| 05:12.42 | kergoth | weird. |
| 05:12.59 | flipLR | very, shrug |
| 05:13.39 | flipLR | is there a place to download the opera ipkg if i didn't back it up, or do i need to reflash to the sharp rom and back it up? |
| 05:13.54 | kergoth | need to reflash |
| 05:14.05 | kergoth | reflash to sharp once, grab all the ipks .. then flash oz again |
| 05:14.17 | kergoth | if you're going to reflash oz, grab the latest experimental image. its what will become the next release |
| 05:14.31 | flipLR | yeah, can you download the sharp rom or is it on the CD? |
| 05:14.36 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/ |
| 05:14.39 | kergoth | sharp rom is at zaurus.com |
| 05:14.41 | kergoth | cn download it there |
| 05:14.43 | zoid | bah, my damn fingers are too fat |
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| 05:14.48 | flipLR | mkay, i'll get on that |
| 05:14.49 | zoid | i can't flash the damn thing, heh |
| 05:15.10 | pole | is there such thing as a CF ide controler? |
| 05:15.24 | flipLR | heh, i had that problem, i had my roomate press the reset for it |
| 05:15.26 | pole | on the net all i can find is ide CF adapters |
| 05:15.40 | kergoth | pole: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:15.47 | kergoth | pole: hook a hard drive to the Z? |
| 05:16.01 | kergoth | get a adapter to use pcmcia cards in cf, then get a pcmcia ide |
| 05:16.02 | pole | kergoth: i dont want to get a pcmcia sleeve, but use an ide hdd on my ipaq |
| 05:16.10 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:16.20 | pole | pcmcia sleeve would be too expensive for my project |
| 05:16.42 | kergoth | well, you cna get an adapter to use a pcmcia card in a cf slot |
| 05:17.08 | pole | you can? |
| 05:17.18 | kergoth | afaik yes |
| 05:17.20 | pole | how much would a pcmcia sleeve VS. a CF pcmcia adapter? |
| 05:17.26 | kergoth | dunno |
| 05:17.41 | pole | hmm... i'll search around a bit |
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| 05:18.01 | Bala | pole: theres supposedly a CF usb host... then you can get a USB drive...but theres no linux driver for the card |
| 05:18.03 | pole | man, i dont believe there arnt any CF ide controlers |
| 05:18.21 | pole | CF and ide being simular and all... |
| 05:18.49 | flipLR | CF Pcmcia are about $25 |
| 05:18.54 | flipLR | adapters that is |
| 05:19.31 | zoid | FINALLY was able to get the combination right to flash the damn thing, heh |
| 05:19.53 | pole | i see... CF sleeve is like... close to that anyway? |
| 05:21.00 | pole | ouch, looks closer to 60 bucks on ebay |
| 05:21.27 | CodeYoddler | Would an 802.11G wireless hard drive be feasible? |
| 05:21.56 | pole | heh |
| 05:22.06 | pole | just make a system with a NFS partition exported |
| 05:22.09 | pole | that should be the same |
| 05:22.16 | pole | and samba |
| 05:22.30 | pole | some small embedded system |
| 05:23.12 | CodeYoddler | Yeah, that would be cool, then you just stick the HD in your pocket or something and go |
| 05:23.35 | pole | ouch... pcmcia sleeve expensive... |
| 05:25.44 | CodeYoddler | For how crappy the range of bluetooth is, it should be like 100mbps |
| 05:25.54 | pole | any way to directly hoook up a notebook hdd to the ipaq? |
| 05:26.43 | CodeYoddler | yeah, right |
| 05:29.00 | pole | kergoth: so i would need to do this? => CF sleeve -> CF to PCMCIA adapter -> ide controler -> hdd |
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| 05:29.18 | zoid | is there a way to completly turn the Z off? i've noticed that holding down the on/off button just seems to put it to sleep |
| 05:29.32 | kergoth | pole: afaik yes |
| 05:29.40 | kergoth | zoid: nope. |
| 05:29.49 | kergoth | you can flip teh battery switch, but that just suspends it as well |
| 05:29.52 | kergoth | theres no need to turn it off |
| 05:30.21 | zoid | also, why do packages show up twice in the package manager in OZ? |
| 05:30.25 | zoid | local IPKG's that is |
| 05:31.31 | kergoth | dont know offhand |
| 05:31.37 | kergoth | are they in your documents tab twice? |
| 05:32.00 | zoid | no |
| 05:32.33 | kergoth | strange. aqpkg just uses the docs tab to find em |
| 05:34.01 | Bala | kergoth: i've seen that behavior before as well.. i think it has to do with the documents tab scanning the media and using the .desktop files.. or something. |
| 05:34.22 | pole | there is no such thing as a CF hdd case or something? |
| 05:34.23 | zoid | also, when i upgrade? why does it say not to upgrade when qtopia is running (or something to that effect)? |
| 05:35.05 | Bala | pole: there are CF HD's .. |
| 05:36.02 | Bala | zoid: libraries arent removed while they are still in use... |
| 05:36.47 | zoid | sucks that my site crashes all the browsers, heh |
| 05:37.03 | sieve | zoid: joo ever get your z to use serial ethernet? |
| 05:37.34 | zoid | you mean usb? no, i got it to syn with qtopia desktop, but that was it |
| 05:39.11 | jahed | joo noe how to speel |
| 05:39.34 | jahed | me spokeandspeel breaking |
| 05:40.25 | jahed | i were liek uasin et un der toylet n et feel en |
| 05:40.58 | zoid | since libs shouldn't be upgraded while qtopia is running, how do you upgrade them safely? |
| 05:41.12 | flipLR | zoid: what site? |
| 05:41.23 | zoid | http://zoidian.com |
| 05:41.25 | zoid | my site |
| 05:41.54 | flipLR | i take it you mean all zaurus browsers? |
| 05:41.56 | kergoth | zoid: quit and run ipkg upgrade |
| 05:42.07 | zoid | kergoth: kewl |
| 05:42.08 | jahed | dur.. jour shite sux |
| 05:42.20 | jahed | I r paki |
| 05:42.29 | zoid | flipLR: yes all z browsers i've tried so far |
| 05:42.36 | flipLR | ah |
| 05:42.49 | jahed | i nots nede dis erbuse |
| 05:43.12 | flipLR | does anyone have a recommended CF wireless card? i've heard good things about the Socket low-power one, but its pricey |
| 05:43.42 | zoid | what's the difference between konqueror-snapshot-full and konqeror-snapshot? |
| 05:43.52 | flipLR | full includes javascript |
| 05:44.07 | jahed | flipLR tan eye rersomen der clitsoxpunkaksbpickfuck 69000? |
| 05:44.58 | jahed | et r maed pho peepel joo der keep |
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| 05:45.15 | flipLR | wow, that was really annyoing |
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| 05:45.36 | jahed | I r pakei |
| 05:46.04 | *** kick/#zaurus [jahed!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (U r idiot) |
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| 05:46.06 | flipLR | are you using speech recognition or something? |
| 05:46.38 | jahed | i liek et ven u talk derty |
| 05:47.03 | kergoth | jahed: go away. |
| 05:47.12 | *** part/#zaurus jahed (~ty@dialup-133-237.tenforward.com) |
| 05:47.18 | kergoth | wow, it worked |
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| 05:47.26 | warmi | kergoth: man .. you have some powers around here |
| 05:47.33 | warmi | uh ... |
| 05:47.36 | *** mode/#zaurus [+b *!*@*.tenforward.com] by Neo|Laptop |
| 05:47.37 | *** kick/#zaurus [jahed!~neotron@12-208-181-224.client.attbi.com] by Neo|Laptop (Neo|Laptop) |
| 05:47.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:48.24 | Neo|Laptop | did that guy really think he was communicating in a language similar to English? |
| 05:48.40 | kergoth | I doubt it. troll. |
| 05:48.57 | zoid | damnit, i broke something |
| 05:49.07 | zoid | i went to shutdown and then restart |
| 05:49.15 | zoid | and now it just sits at the openzaurus login: |
| 05:49.22 | zoid | anyone? |
| 05:49.24 | kergoth | login as root |
| 05:49.28 | kergoth | run /etc/init.d/syslog start |
| 05:49.31 | kergoth | then run /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 05:49.40 | kergoth | and when it exits, run logread to see a log of whats going on |
| 05:49.47 | zoid | k |
| 05:52.28 | zoid | root: /opt/QTPalmtop/bin/qpe: error while loading shared libraries: libts-0.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory |
| 05:52.31 | zoid | any idea on that? |
| 05:52.42 | zoid | that's what i see after i do logread |
| 05:52.44 | kergoth | yeah, a fucked up qt leaked into our unstable feed :\ |
| 05:53.13 | kergoth | you can install libts-0.0 which should make it be able to start |
| 05:53.59 | zoid | how do i install that from the shell? |
| 05:54.06 | kergoth | ipkg install libts-0.0 |
| 05:54.24 | zoid | says it's up to date |
| 05:55.00 | kergoth | thats odd. ipkg remove -force-depends libts-0.0; ipkg install libts-0.0 |
| 05:56.38 | zoid | ok, back in opie |
| 05:56.41 | zoid | thanks |
| 05:56.59 | zoid | wait |
| 05:57.03 | zoid | i can't do anything in opie, heh |
| 05:57.05 | zoid | seems froze |
| 05:57.31 | zoid | hmm, buttons work, but touch screen doesn't |
| 05:59.15 | djr | does backing up save your contacts? |
| 05:59.20 | djr | with oz |
| 06:00.52 | zoid | cuoldn't tell ya |
| 06:01.02 | zoid | all i know is i broke my oz install :/ |
| 06:01.18 | kergoth`bbiab | nah you didnt break it. we have a broken qt package in unstable |
| 06:01.18 | kergoth`bbiab | :\ |
| 06:01.30 | zoid | kergoth`bbiab: well i'm in opie |
| 06:01.38 | zoid | i just can't use the touch screen |
| 06:01.40 | kergoth`bbiab | i know |
| 06:01.55 | kergoth`bbiab | the qt in unstable requires tslib, but the version that uses tslib isnt ready for mass consumption yet |
| 06:02.04 | kergoth`bbiab | it shouldnt have made it into the feed |
| 06:02.11 | zoid | so what do you think i should do? |
| 06:02.20 | kergoth`bbiab | here, do this |
| 06:02.24 | kergoth`bbiab | terminat eopie from shutdown |
| 06:02.28 | kergoth`bbiab | then |
| 06:02.30 | kergoth`bbiab | vi /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 06:02.34 | kergoth`bbiab | comment out unstable and stable |
| 06:02.37 | kergoth`bbiab | save and exit |
| 06:02.38 | zoid | i can't get to shutdown, heh |
| 06:02.42 | kergoth`bbiab | home button |
| 06:02.51 | kergoth`bbiab | cursor keys |
| 06:03.06 | zoid | got it |
| 06:03.25 | kergoth`bbiab | okay, you commented out those two feeds too? so only testing is enabled? |
| 06:04.36 | zoid | yep |
| 06:04.47 | kergoth`bbiab | okay, ipkg remove -force-depends libqt2-emb |
| 06:04.50 | kergoth`bbiab | ipkg install libqt2-emb |
| 06:05.20 | kergoth`bbiab | oh, ipkg update before the install |
| 06:05.37 | kergoth`bbiab | then it'll grab qt from testing, which is known good |
| 06:06.49 | zoid | you think i should run testing instead of unstable prolly? :) |
| 06:07.13 | kergoth`bbiab | for now |
| 06:07.25 | kergoth`bbiab | i'll update unstable when my opie build completes, then it'll be safe again |
| 06:07.28 | kergoth`bbiab | brb |
| 06:07.33 | zoid | kewl |
| 06:07.38 | zoid | thanks again for all the help |
| 06:07.43 | zoid | i won't bother you any more today, heh |
| 06:07.46 | djr | qtjim doesnt work on oz |
| 06:08.01 | djr | er |
| 06:08.05 | kergoth`bbiab | it doesnt? |
| 06:08.10 | djr | i mean |
| 06:08.24 | djr | qtjim and fbvncserver work if i run them from the console |
| 06:08.31 | djr | but the desktop icons dont work at all |
| 06:08.34 | kergoth`bbiab | ah |
| 06:08.52 | kergoth`bbiab | ok brb |
| 06:10.00 | zoid | so what's good for cleaning this lcd on the zaurus? anyone? |
| 06:14.54 | warmi | water + piece of cloth |
| 06:14.56 | warmi | :-) |
| 06:21.32 | djr | wait, theres a -4 |
| 06:21.36 | djr | it works |
| 06:22.42 | djr | theres no working libexpat for zaurus? |
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| 06:34.05 | djr | errr... i removed libc6 |
| 06:34.08 | djr | bad idea, huh? |
| 07:04.27 | flipLR | alittle |
| 07:04.47 | flipLR | i need to reflash the sharp rom and back stuff up |
| 07:13.08 | gaurdian | new tkcmail, supports multiple email now |
| 07:15.52 | djr | i need to buy some of that stuff |
| 07:16.04 | djr | gaurdian: does it work on oz? |
| 07:18.13 | djr | and akghjhdgjh... whenever i choose to upgrade a package... it says it installs it but it doesnt change the icon |
| 07:18.22 | djr | and it till says its the old version |
| 07:19.40 | gaurdian | far as I know |
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| 07:19.45 | gaurdian | I make no promises |
| 07:20.13 | djr | you didn ttry it? |
| 07:20.36 | gaurdian | I dont run OZ |
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| 07:21.40 | djr | :) |
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| 07:24.00 | gaurdian | but it does work fine on the sharp rom |
| 07:24.47 | djr | hehe |
| 07:25.13 | djr | i want tkc apps |
| 07:28.00 | djr | i just cant justify the price |
| 07:29.10 | gaurdian | the functionality justifies the price to me |
| 07:29.23 | djr | well its kinda hard to see the functionality when you have to pay for them to see it ;) |
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| 07:29.43 | djr | and also i dont buy them because they all look so good |
| 07:29.47 | djr | im tempted to spend $100 |
| 07:29.49 | djr | and get everything |
| 07:29.49 | djr | ehehe |
| 07:30.03 | gaurdian | I did |
| 07:30.05 | flipLR | when i only paid $169 for my zaurus, $100 is way too much |
| 07:30.16 | djr | hehe |
| 07:30.19 | flipLR | for stuff i haven't played with |
| 07:30.22 | gaurdian | they are worth iot to me |
| 07:30.23 | djr | mine came out to $194 |
| 07:30.44 | flipLR | wel,, $181 after shipping |
| 07:30.49 | djr | i ordered mine from hsn on monday last week, had it on wednesday... was $170 after the discount price, + s&h + tax... came out to $194 |
| 07:31.06 | flipLR | wow, what state are you in? they taxed you? |
| 07:31.17 | djr | california |
| 07:31.31 | djr | tax was $12.62 |
| 07:31.41 | djr | s&h was $11.95 |
| 07:31.42 | flipLR | ah, i bet thats where they're located, probably why they taxed you |
| 07:31.48 | flipLR | also why you got it so fast |
| 07:31.49 | djr | discount was $29.84 |
| 07:31.58 | djr | total was $193.65 |
| 07:31.58 | flipLR | i'm in arizona, didn't get taxed, but didn't get here til friday |
| 07:32.06 | djr | ah |
| 07:32.09 | djr | yeah, i had mine right away |
| 07:32.20 | flipLR | ok, time to reflash sharp rom, brb |
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| 07:33.43 | mithro | anyone here suggests a good screen protector for the sl-c700? |
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| 08:40.21 | flipLR_ | is there something avantgo-ish for the zaurus? |
| 08:40.39 | flipLR_ | or even better, a way to use avantgo channels |
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| 08:49.14 | darmou | well there is plucker |
| 08:49.23 | darmou | Try JPluck to grab sites |
| 08:49.59 | C1qrk3 | i am use sl-c700 |
| 08:50.16 | darmou | http://www.plkr.org/index.plkr |
| 08:50.34 | flipLR_ | mkay |
| 08:50.49 | darmou | has anyone used the zaurus with a vpn? |
| 08:51.41 | mithro | C1qrk3: do you have a screen protector? |
| 08:52.14 | C1qrk3 | yes |
| 08:52.22 | C1qrk3 | i am DIY for it.. |
| 08:52.49 | flipLR_ | is there a way to get the zaurus to start with the backlight off by default? |
| 08:53.48 | C1qrk3 | the c-700 can use Ipaq's screen protector ? |
| 08:57.04 | mithro | DIY? |
| 08:57.19 | mithro | i found that i can't get a screen protector to work properly |
| 08:57.34 | mithro | there always seems to be bubbles under it... |
| 08:57.52 | mithro | or it has a horrible "speckle" to it.. |
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| 09:02.33 | flipLR_ | diy = do it yourself |
| 09:04.42 | darmou | Is there a samba server for open zaurus, if so what is the package name? |
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| 09:38.44 | titeuf | have a nice day, see u soon |
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| 09:59.47 | mithro | anyone here know much about the OZ build-root? |
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| 10:22.55 | djr_ | hmmm |
| 10:28.35 | djr | so therse no working email programs for oz? |
| 10:40.22 | noidd | getting a lot of 404s on the unstable feed |
| 10:40.22 | noidd | guess thats why they call it unstable ;-) |
| 10:42.52 | djr | i havent come across any yet? |
| 10:45.37 | noidd | its cos they';ve increased in cversion since last night |
| 10:46.57 | noidd | do a re-download of the packages file and they're all there |
| 10:46.57 | noidd | do have a bug in the acqpkg tho |
| 10:46.57 | noidd | it a package downloaad fails, it still shows it as nstalled |
| 10:47.20 | djr | yeah, i updated the lists already |
| 10:47.21 | djr | they work |
| 10:47.22 | noidd | which is kinda annoying, but since i'm only doing a few at a time, bearable |
| 10:47.31 | djr | but i dunno how to upgrade things running |
| 10:48.17 | darmou | has anynone had any problems with vncserver on openzaurus? |
| 10:48.40 | darmou | djr try theKompany email product |
| 10:48.43 | noidd | upgrade things running? |
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| 10:54.58 | djr | darmou: does it run in OZ? |
| 10:55.16 | djr | noidd: yeah like all the opie stuff... when theres that red asterik or something on it |
| 10:55.19 | djr | its a newer version |
| 10:55.24 | djr | i can click it and tell it to upgrade |
| 10:55.29 | djr | and it says it finishes successfully |
| 10:55.38 | djr | but when its done i go and look at it still says its the old version |
| 10:56.21 | darmou | djr well i have all of my other theKompany programs working so i don't see why not. If you are not sure -- google |
| 10:57.33 | djr | well i just ordered a 256mb SD card so im not ready to spend more $$$ on products |
| 10:57.36 | djr | ehehe |
| 10:57.59 | djr | or better yet... i just need to write my own... i can program... i just never messed with qt or opie or anything like that |
| 10:58.05 | djr | but id rather use something already written |
| 10:59.58 | darmou | ymmv = your milage may vary |
| 11:01.12 | djr | i know ;) |
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| 11:04.00 | noidd | djr: I just bought a 256M sd cad too - paid 99$ |
| 11:04.00 | noidd | BestBuy++ # Clearance items |
| 11:05.24 | djr | ouch ;) |
| 11:05.25 | djr | Subtotal $65.95 |
| 11:05.25 | djr | Misc. Charges $0.00 |
| 11:05.25 | djr | Sales Tax 7.750% $5.44 |
| 11:05.25 | djr | Shipping $6.33 |
| 11:05.28 | djr | Total $77.72 |
| 11:05.36 | djr | sandisk 256mb sd card |
| 11:06.52 | darmou | I am looking to get a socket low power card. The cheapest I have seen that will export is 131$ however my uni uses a cisco vpn so I don't know if I can get freeswan working, hopefully yes |
| 11:07.15 | darmou | Do sd cards work ok in openzaurus? |
| 11:07.40 | djr | i just bought a ambicom wireless cf card for $80 from bestbuy, theres a $35 rebate... so its $45... |
| 11:07.44 | djr | works fine |
| 11:07.51 | djr | i got kismet on it... been driving around getting on networks |
| 11:07.51 | djr | ehehe |
| 11:08.29 | darmou | djr does kismet allow you to bypass the vpn? |
| 11:08.47 | djr | ? |
| 11:08.56 | djr | http://www.kismetwireless.net/ |
| 11:09.01 | darmou | what is the battery life with the wireless card? |
| 11:09.20 | djr | dunno... what is it without the card? |
| 11:10.01 | darmou | I think it is about 4 hours or 1 hour playing a movie |
| 11:10.28 | djr | well i think i used it fine for at least two and a half hours... and the battery wasnt empty |
| 11:10.45 | djr | that was just with irc and download packages, though |
| 11:10.49 | djr | and minimal web browsing |
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| 11:16.47 | darmou | has anyone had any problem with vncserver on oz? |
| 11:17.02 | djr | no |
| 11:17.50 | darmou | When I click on the icon in opie there is a message saying it could not start vncserver |
| 11:17.59 | djr | upgrade it |
| 11:18.07 | djr | i had that problem a day or so ago, therse a new version in unstable |
| 11:18.23 | darmou | djr fantastic,thanks |
| 11:18.42 | djr | np |
| 11:24.18 | darmou | damn the new updraded version is still not responding to input. It worked ok on the sharp rom:( |
| 11:27.06 | djr | you can run it, though, right? |
| 11:27.33 | djr | if you can run it from the app menu, then you should read this |
| 11:27.33 | djr | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=110 |
| 11:27.41 | darmou | djr yes it is now running from opie |
| 11:42.33 | darmou | well the same happened to me, I am still looking at screen protecter, carry case, another charger for work and then the wireless card ... |
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| 11:58.34 | darmou | hmm I wonder why konq dies when loading google in zaurus .... |
| 12:13.31 | darmou | has anyone able to get prboom working under openzaurus? |
| 12:14.20 | djr | prboom? |
| 12:14.34 | darmou | its a port of doom to the zaurus |
| 12:14.45 | djr | oh |
| 12:14.47 | djr | never triedh |
| 12:14.48 | djr | hehe |
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| 13:45.29 | {aaron} | does SD memory card brand really matter, or is it all commodity? |
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| 14:12.13 | icefox | Helllllllloooooo |
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| 14:30.58 | minipanda | hi! i'm trying to link my zaurus to visit internet! throught USB connection , but can i use Microsoft Route software under win2k ? |
| 14:31.11 | minipanda | i must configure the NAT first? |
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| 14:34.24 | minipanda | so can any expert introduce some good proxy softwares ? please give me some methods to do that? |
| 14:36.28 | {aaron} | what is Microsoft Route? from what I heard ICS does not work properly with Zaurus/USB |
| 14:36.41 | {aaron} | although you can mess with the routing tables, i'm not sure if that would work |
| 14:37.17 | {aaron} | http://www.zyxt.org/zaurus/winethernetusb.html |
| 14:39.34 | noiddAWAY | minipanda - type the following |
| 14:39.47 | noiddAWAY | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 14:39.51 | noiddAWAY | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 14:40.00 | minipanda | {aaron} : thanks, but i'm using a Router configuration tools within the Win2k server |
| 14:40.12 | noiddAWAY | minipanda: that forwards all network traffic from ANY interface through eth0 using NAT |
| 14:40.18 | noiddAWAY | that will work for you |
| 14:41.18 | minipanda | <noiddaway> that good idea! but i'm connecting my zaurus under win2k! my linux still can not recognize my zaurus USB adapter properly! |
| 14:42.21 | {aaron} | minipanda: do you have a link to those "router tools"? do they work with w2k professional? |
| 14:43.40 | darmou | mm i seems reboot only works from the command line |
| 14:43.45 | darmou | in oz |
| 14:44.02 | minipanda | {aaron} : sorry i'm not very clear about the original name of those tools! i'm using an Chinese version win2k! and i'm using that tools under server version! |
| 14:44.02 | noiddAWAY | minipanda: then I have no idea. Sorry |
| 14:44.27 | {aaron} | minipanda: ah, ok |
| 14:44.29 | minipanda | noidd : thanks for your help! |
| 14:44.39 | {aaron} | minipanda: i'm sure there are many proxies for w2k |
| 14:44.57 | minipanda | {aaron} so i need an software like ICS? |
| 14:45.07 | {aaron} | minipanda: well, apparently either that or a proxy |
| 14:45.12 | {aaron} | minipanda: read the link i posted |
| 14:45.31 | minipanda | BTW: i'm not setting my zaurus USB adapter like your link! |
| 14:45.58 | minipanda | but i think i still can connect my zaurus with my PC! :-) |
| 14:47.21 | minipanda | i'm using default settings now! but SyNc software can help me connect with my PC, also my Pc can telnet to my zaurus as well :-) |
| 14:47.44 | {aaron} | it's not sufficient to set the gateway of the Zaurus connection to the local LAN connection and automatically get access to the larger network is it? |
| 14:48.04 | minipanda | i mean i'm using Obtain tcp/ip information automatically |
| 14:49.42 | {aaron} | no, i'm just wondering in general...i'll try that when i get home |
| 14:49.58 | {aaron} | of course, the traffic probably won't get BACK even if it does get out :/ |
| 14:50.17 | minipanda | so how do you use your opera to connect with internet? :-) |
| 14:50.24 | {aaron} | i don't right now |
| 14:51.39 | minipanda | {aaron} : thanks! and waiting for your help early! :-) |
| 14:52.08 | {aaron} | when I get a mem card I'm gonna upgrade to openzaurus, looks like the sharp rom is built of something like RedHat, egads |
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| 15:58.07 | cor | can opie sheet import csv's? |
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| 16:22.44 | warmi | hi |
| 16:22.56 | kybu | hi warmi |
| 16:22.57 | treke | mornin warmi |
| 16:23.45 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 16:24.57 | zoid | where do i have to put pictures on my sd card so they show up in the Documents tab? |
| 16:25.53 | kergoth | anywhere, if you have an image viewer installed. |
| 16:26.02 | warmi | anywhere |
| 16:26.41 | zoid | what's a good image viewer? |
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| 16:26.52 | zoid | preferably one with slideshows |
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| 16:46.36 | WoodsDog | is there a good pdb viewer? |
| 16:47.31 | treke | what type of pdb |
| 16:47.44 | WoodsDog | .pdb files |
| 16:47.50 | treke | what type of pdb |
| 16:47.55 | WoodsDog | i didn't know there were different types |
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| 16:48.44 | mewyn | pdb is a palm data file. anything can be in i |
| 16:48.45 | mewyn | t |
| 16:49.14 | WoodsDog | oh...i have a book that is in pdb format |
| 16:49.22 | WoodsDog | i wanted to know if i could read it on the Z |
| 16:49.26 | treke | what application is used to read it on the palm |
| 16:49.44 | WoodsDog | i am not sure...let me find out |
| 16:50.32 | WoodsDog | looks like Isilo? |
| 16:50.46 | WoodsDog | isilo v2 |
| 16:51.25 | treke | nope |
| 16:52.03 | mewyn | depends if it's one of the text only, or specially formatted readers |
| 16:52.12 | WoodsDog | how bout prc? what is a prc file? |
| 16:52.24 | mewyn | prc is a palm program |
| 16:52.32 | mewyn | it can't do anything with it |
| 16:52.54 | treke | mewyn: Dont know of any readers that can read the isilo format |
| 16:53.15 | mewyn | is isilo it's own format, or does it use docbook or somethign? |
| 16:53.21 | treke | WoodsDog: .pdb/prc is fairly irrelevant |
| 16:53.38 | treke | WoodsDog: it's basically a well documented storage format. It's the contents that are the problem |
| 16:53.44 | treke | mewyn: isilo has its own format |
| 16:53.52 | cbok | do you all happen to recall what controls the wi fi card |
| 16:53.54 | cbok | wicontrol? |
| 16:53.56 | cbok | or wiconfig? |
| 16:54.00 | mewyn | ok, then it can't read it |
| 16:54.09 | treke | iwconfig and ifconfig |
| 16:54.46 | treke | most of the zaurus readers do Aportis, but not much else |
| 16:54.59 | WoodsDog | alright...that is good to know |
| 16:55.57 | cbok | *nod* |
| 16:56.00 | cbok | thanks |
| 17:00.39 | zoid | if i install other task-opie-* packages, do i need to uninstall task-opie-minimal? |
| 17:02.05 | kergoth`bbl | zoid: nope |
| 17:02.52 | minipanda | kergoth`bbl : have you trying to view some DivX movie through usb link on zaurus? :-) |
| 17:03.26 | minipanda | can i open such DivX format file use SMBMOUNT method? |
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| 17:03.53 | kergoth`bbl | you can view movies regardless |
| 17:04.00 | kergoth`bbl | how you access them is up to you. |
| 17:05.06 | zoid | kergoth: you know of a good image viewer with slidshow capabilities? |
| 17:05.20 | kergoth | not offhand |
| 17:05.22 | minipanda | kergoth: can zaurus process such big data through USB link? |
| 17:05.51 | kergoth | minipanda: has nothing to do with teh zaurus |
| 17:05.56 | treke | minipanda: why would you want to watch a divx over an smbmout through usb? |
| 17:06.01 | treke | what is the point |
| 17:06.01 | kergoth | the question is, is a usb ethernet link fast enough |
| 17:06.07 | minipanda | where should be the bottleneck ? the USB link throughout or processor's ability? |
| 17:06.31 | kergoth | its not about the processor |
| 17:06.34 | kergoth | i just told you |
| 17:06.56 | minipanda | sometimes i can let my Girlfriend watch her favourte movie! and i continue my coding! |
| 17:07.25 | treke | yeah she's gonna go for that |
| 17:08.03 | minipanda | kergoth: but sometimes , playing Divx file's quality are not very good enough, so i'm just worried about zaurus's ability of decode DivX format files |
| 17:08.03 | sieve | heh |
| 17:08.26 | treke | minipanda: it isnt going to be able to handle a typical divx |
| 17:08.45 | treke | even if it was on a microdrive. Two seperate issues |
| 17:09.13 | minipanda | en! quite true! but i think that's very interesting :-) |
| 17:09.15 | sieve | treke: oh shoot... and I only got the thing to watch pr0n while on the crapper... |
| 17:09.19 | sieve | :) |
| 17:09.34 | sieve | j/k |
| 17:10.15 | zoid | why can't qtopia desktop connect to my Z anymore now that i'm running OZ? |
| 17:10.26 | treke | zoid: read the faq |
| 17:10.26 | zoid | worked fine with sharps rom |
| 17:10.29 | zoid | k |
| 17:10.34 | minipanda | kergoth: OK! please tell me the default USB link speed ? 10M/bits 100M/bits ? i not very clear about USB NET devices |
| 17:11.36 | minipanda | treke: we should build new CF card embedded DivX decode logical chips :-) |
| 17:11.53 | minipanda | oh! 1M/S my god! |
| 17:13.17 | minipanda | but many nokia's product announce they can play movies remotely with very good quility :-( so maybe wireless connection's speed is faster than USB? |
| 17:13.58 | treke | minipanda: Show me where they say they can play the typical divx |
| 17:14.05 | treke | the zaurus can play movies just fine |
| 17:14.52 | minipanda | treke: sorry ! they do not annouce they can play movies! maybe in other format! :-) |
| 17:14.55 | treke | theres a difference between being able to play a movie wirelessly/over usb and being able to handle streaming and scaling a 700 meg file |
| 17:15.22 | treke | a very big difference |
| 17:15.44 | minipanda | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.01 | minipanda | will cost a lot of money! very expensive and not very stable! |
| 17:16.18 | zoid | treke: thanks...got it working now (it was a problem in the security) |
| 17:18.32 | minipanda | thanks treke and kergoth! i'll try to build an server can supply stream output as soon as possible! just before i show my lovely zaurus to my girl:-) |
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| 17:26.32 | minipanda | oh! it's my last question tonight! can anyone show me a good media player can playback remote stream files very well? please :-) |
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| 17:32.05 | minipanda | oh> ? Real still not port their RealOne into Zaurus? |
| 17:41.38 | treke | no real hasnt ported to the zaurus |
| 17:43.56 | minipanda | treke: oh what a sad news! :-( how about asf? |
| 17:44.26 | treke | opieplayer may do it |
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| 17:46.08 | minipanda | treke: this sounds a good news :-) http://realforum.real.com/cgi-bin/unixplayer/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=embedplug&Number=4028&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 |
| 17:46.48 | treke | yes there is some work being done on it. |
| 17:49.07 | minipanda | thanks treke :-) but can you tell me how to remove the default media player in my zaurus? is that writen on FLASH ROM so i need to update ROM to erase them ? |
| 17:49.26 | kergoth | sharp flash is read only. |
| 17:50.30 | minipanda | oh, i could not wait to show my lovely zaurus ! and i'm also affriad maybe she will rob my zaurus with her first glance :-) |
| 17:50.46 | Pendalar | does any media player (mp3 anyways) work right on a SD? |
| 17:50.53 | Pendalar | I'm not having much luck |
| 17:51.04 | treke | minipanda: you cant remove the mediaplayer using the sharp rom |
| 17:51.46 | minipanda | but i'm affarid that will remove my emails ! |
| 17:52.07 | minipanda | and how can i get the hadcom word serires software? |
| 17:52.41 | minipanda | treke: i'll try to install an QT support I18N chinese codes next week! |
| 17:53.32 | edave | Pendalar: Installed on SD or playing files from? |
| 17:56.58 | minipanda | BTW: anyone here try to upgrade the Memory size of zaurus manualy? some chinese guys have been added a 128MB ram onto their WinCE already! |
| 17:57.08 | Pendalar | installed on |
| 17:57.27 | Pendalar | my mp3 are on a NFS'd hd |
| 17:57.49 | minipanda | so how about upgrade my memory form 32MB to 128MB? maybe it's worthy to do! :-) |
| 17:58.50 | minipanda | Pendalar, you can play remote MP3 on your Zaurus? just use USB link mode? |
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| 17:59.19 | edave | Pendalar: Oh. I'm running xmms-e from RAM now, but IIRC I had it installed on SD before. What's the problem? |
| 18:00.33 | minipanda | treke : seems usb link speed is faster than 1M/bits some MP3 files are 128K sample rate! |
| 18:03.23 | Pendalar | you can play anything if your bandwidth through the connection is high enough |
| 18:03.38 | Pendalar | although you may need to stream it rather than full networked file system |
| 18:03.49 | Pendalar | streaming would allow much lower bandwidth |
| 18:04.08 | Pendalar | I just NFS'd my linux box's 40gb hd with all my mp3 over wifi |
| 18:04.11 | Pendalar | no pops, etc |
| 18:04.41 | Pendalar | edave older xmms's didn't work but I'm not sure about the current, nor does opie player thing work for me on SD |
| 18:05.19 | edave | opieplayer doesn't work at all for me right now. xmms-e is the only way for me to play music now. Skips when playing off SD tho' |
| 18:05.56 | Pendalar | when the program is on the SD? |
| 18:06.16 | edave | Pendalar: no. The music. Try xmms-e? |
| 18:07.03 | kergoth | edave: you're using opie-mediaplayer2, right? not opieplayer? |
| 18:08.14 | Pendalar | prob will in a few, since I'm having no luck with the opie ones |
| 18:08.22 | edave | kergoth: *tried* using opie-mediaplayer. Hot off the testing/unstable feeds. Never worked very well. Until I uninstalled it from aqpkg, then it semi-worked. Without the images. Come to think of it, my setup may be seriously b0rked here. :) |
| 18:08.41 | edave | I've been holding out on upgrading until 3.1final is released. |
| 18:09.01 | Pendalar | hold out for 3.2 =-x |
| 18:09.40 | edave | Pendalar: Won't SD support be removed 'til then? |
| 18:10.04 | kergoth | not opie-mediaplayer, opie-mediaplayer2. |
| 18:10.10 | kergoth | sd support hasnt had a decision made |
| 18:10.15 | kergoth | as you would know if you read the news page. |
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| 18:11.20 | Pendalar | my sd has always worked =-) |
| 18:11.30 | Pendalar | that's alll I care about |
| 18:14.33 | edave | kergoth: have read. Misinterpreted it as per my question before. Sorry 'bout that. |
| 18:14.34 | Pendalar | ugh I feel sick |
| 18:14.39 | Pendalar | bad krystals |
| 18:15.44 | Pendalar | ya know tinykate is the only thing that has ever given me a low memory warning |
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| 18:17.02 | doughecka | HI! |
| 18:17.07 | Pendalar | ho |
| 18:17.16 | doughecka | off to work you go? |
| 18:17.23 | Pendalar | nah I'm lazy |
| 18:17.26 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:17.44 | doughecka | whats a good price for a 5500? |
| 18:18.06 | Pendalar | kergoth : if I just made a big .bz2 of the system from / down, and copied it back if needed, how bad is it going to laugh at me? |
| 18:18.13 | Pendalar | $233 ish I'd think |
| 18:18.33 | doughecka | hmm, used? |
| 18:19.22 | Pendalar | no, just on sell somewhere |
| 18:19.35 | Pendalar | the one mentioned in topic at hsn should be cheap enough for ya |
| 18:20.24 | treke | hsn is sold out |
| 18:22.01 | Pendalar | right... |
| 18:22.05 | Pendalar | but read the topic.. |
| 18:22.43 | doughecka | huh. |
| 18:24.11 | icefox | "Our biggest problem was policing the use of .Net. Things like .Net Enterprise Servers. That's a great example of where the confusion came from, because it looked like we were slapping .Net on a bunch of random products." |
| 18:24.14 | icefox | :-) |
| 18:24.26 | icefox | - Charles Fitzgerald, general manager of Microsoft's platform strategy group, in August on ZDNet News |
| 18:24.48 | Pendalar | heh |
| 18:25.28 | icefox | "We don't have the user-centricity. Until we understand context, which is way beyond presence -- presence is the most trivial notion of context." - B.Gates |
| 18:25.40 | icefox | same topic |
| 18:26.50 | doughecka | huh, the zaurus aint on hsn, I guess they took it down |
| 18:26.56 | icefox | yah |
| 18:26.57 | icefox | see topic |
| 18:27.23 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:27.34 | doughecka | but they should put a little "sold out" sign on it :) |
| 18:27.39 | doughecka | how much was it? |
| 18:27.47 | icefox | well it was never suppost to be up in the first place |
| 18:27.53 | icefox | it was only suppost to be up for 24 hours |
| 18:27.57 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:28.03 | Pendalar | look it will be back |
| 18:28.03 | icefox | $169 for first time buyers |
| 18:28.17 | icefox | it was only suppost to be up for 24 hours on april 5th |
| 18:28.37 | icefox | oh and watch the tv network for clueless hot bimos attempt to do stuff with the zaurus |
| 18:28.50 | Pendalar | haha |
| 18:28.50 | icefox | cut well |
| 18:28.51 | doughecka | lol |
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| 18:28.57 | Pendalar | just don't put console on it, and it might be ok |
| 18:29.11 | icefox | na, stuff like pretending to listen to music |
| 18:29.23 | icefox | looking in the fridge and writing down milk in the todo list |
| 18:29.26 | icefox | stuff like that |
| 18:29.32 | doughecka | haha |
| 18:29.57 | doughecka | can I use the serial port on it with a null cable? |
| 18:30.37 | icefox | what could you do with a null cable? |
| 18:30.44 | doughecka | hook it up to a modem |
| 18:30.50 | doughecka | a packet modem :) |
| 18:31.12 | icefox | oh :) I was thinking cripped off null cable. I don't see why not. It is a regular serial port as far as linux is concirned |
| 18:31.13 | kergoth | technically, you need a striaght through, but sharp's cable is already null. |
| 18:31.25 | doughecka | oh |
| 18:31.27 | kergoth | so add a second null adapter and its back to straight again |
| 18:31.32 | doughecka | wierd |
| 18:31.34 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:31.37 | kergoth | not really |
| 18:31.53 | doughecka | hmm, ok |
| 18:31.56 | kergoth | you need a null connecting any dte devices to one another. computer to printer, computer to computer, computer to terminal |
| 18:32.02 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:32.03 | kergoth | the Z is a computer, if a small one. |
| 18:32.12 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:32.20 | kergoth | dce is modem. dte -> dce doesnt need a null. only dte -> dte needs null |
| 18:32.23 | kergoth | isnt serial fun? |
| 18:32.27 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:32.28 | Pendalar | out of morbid curiosity, kergoth what would you be heavily into right now in your spare time if the zaurus didn't exist? |
| 18:32.47 | kergoth | if it didnt exist now, or if it never had? |
| 18:32.59 | doughecka | morbid? |
| 18:32.59 | Pendalar | er.. dammit just answer the question without another question |
| 18:33.01 | Pendalar | j/k |
| 18:33.09 | Pendalar | ah... if it never had |
| 18:33.13 | kergoth | well the answer's different :) |
| 18:33.19 | Pendalar | ok then answer both |
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| 18:33.25 | kergoth | if the z had existed, but didnt right now, i'd be into other embedded things |
| 18:33.33 | kergoth | and OE/OZ will still exist for other devices |
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| 18:33.48 | Pendalar | you'd have an ipaq more or less |
| 18:34.00 | kergoth | if it never had, I never would have gotten into embedded, i doubt. so i'd likely be doing linux driver development for x86 |
| 18:34.13 | Pendalar | that's no fun =-x |
| 18:34.23 | kergoth | and you dont get toys to play with |
| 18:34.23 | Pendalar | crap brb |
| 18:34.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:34.25 | kergoth | k |
| 18:34.30 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:35.14 | doughecka | hmm, is 100 dollars for a 1000D good? |
| 18:35.25 | icefox | 5000D? |
| 18:35.34 | doughecka | I think thats what it said |
| 18:36.11 | icefox | yah I think so |
| 18:36.48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:37.00 | doughecka | wasnt there a grayscale zaurus? |
| 18:37.27 | treke | no |
| 18:37.40 | doughecka | oh |
| 18:37.41 | doughecka | huh |
| 18:37.48 | doughecka | ever hear of the yopy PDA? |
| 18:37.52 | treke | yes |
| 18:37.58 | doughecka | is it good? |
| 18:38.08 | treke | maybe. maybe not |
| 18:38.20 | prp_lunch | doughecka: yep got two |
| 18:38.27 | doughecka | for 100 dollars is it good |
| 18:38.28 | doughecka | ? |
| 18:38.42 | prp_lunch | doughecka: which model? |
| 18:38.45 | treke | its possibly the only pda that has been marketed less than the zaurus |
| 18:38.48 | doughecka | 3000 |
| 18:39.08 | doughecka | I found one on ebay :) thats hte first time I heard of it |
| 18:41.00 | doughecka | huh, oh well |
| 18:41.05 | doughecka | might get one or the other |
| 18:42.27 | prp_lunch | treke: no there are tons more linux based pda's sold in tawain, korea, japan, that we never see in the states |
| 18:42.42 | prp_lunch | treke: i can name 4 right off the top of my head |
| 18:43.03 | prp_lunch | doughecka: the 3000 is not worth buying, only if you are gonna use it for dev |
| 18:43.08 | doughecka | oh |
| 18:43.09 | doughecka | ok |
| 18:43.11 | prp_lunch | doughecka: don't expect the quality of the z |
| 18:43.15 | doughecka | how about the zaurus 5000? |
| 18:43.18 | doughecka | d? |
| 18:43.26 | treke | the 5000d is a 5500 with half the ram |
| 18:43.28 | prp_lunch | doughecka: probably better off just getting a 5500 |
| 18:43.42 | doughecka | ok doke |
| 18:45.33 | doughecka | 160 for a 5500... hmm, oh well.. :) |
| 18:46.18 | prp_lunch | doughecka: what are you wanting it for? pda or for arm dev? |
| 18:46.43 | doughecka | PDA |
| 18:46.56 | prp_lunch | ahh |
| 18:47.08 | prp_lunch | doughecka: wanting cheap or powerful? |
| 18:47.12 | doughecka | hm, |
| 18:47.13 | doughecka | cheap |
| 18:47.21 | prp_lunch | doughecka: look for a vr3 |
| 18:47.26 | doughecka | ok |
| 18:47.38 | doughecka | ugh |
| 18:47.44 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:47.51 | doughecka | and a built in keyboard |
| 18:48.02 | prp_lunch | doughecka: ohh |
| 18:48.13 | doughecka | keyobard is a must :) |
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| 19:04.30 | mark|sleep | icefox: any reason reviews cant be accessed through myzaurus.com? |
| 19:05.15 | icefox | nope |
| 19:07.08 | mark|sleep | mark|sleep: are they going to be made accessable? |
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| 20:00.39 | tux_mike | damn. this job blows |
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| 20:07.30 | ChrisH | VNC server on the Z rules... :) |
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| 20:14.25 | doughecka | whats a cheap wireless nic for the zaurus? |
| 20:18.17 | Neo|Work | Usually a cheap one is one that doesn't cost a whole lot of money. |
| 20:18.18 | Neo|Work | ;-) |
| 20:19.01 | doughecka | hah |
| 20:19.13 | Neo|Work | seriously though, I don't really know. :P |
| 20:20.07 | doughecka | ah |
| 20:20.26 | doughecka | 5000, 5500 and 5600 are the only zaurus models? |
| 20:20.33 | r0ze | in the usa |
| 20:20.37 | zoid | what packages do i need to install to be able to compile stuff? (i didn't see a package for make) |
| 20:20.48 | kergoth | zoid: compile stuff natively on the Z? |
| 20:20.56 | zoid | kergoth: yeah, is that possible> |
| 20:20.57 | r0ze | zoid: check out the docs in the topic |
| 20:21.03 | doughecka | wow, theres people actully active in here |
| 20:21.05 | zoid | or how can i cross compile for arm? |
| 20:21.13 | r0ze | check out the docs |
| 20:21.22 | r0ze | I have written a bunch explaining just that |
| 20:21.27 | r0ze | see the cross compiler howto |
| 20:24.26 | djr | heh, cool, i got the hancom suite and opera on OZ now |
| 20:24.32 | djr | jeode wants qpe-base |
| 20:24.38 | kergoth | -force-depends |
| 20:24.47 | djr | it will work without qpe-base? |
| 20:25.08 | kergoth | you have it. |
| 20:25.08 | r0ze | shoul |
| 20:25.12 | r0ze | don't see why not |
| 20:25.14 | r0ze | :0 |
| 20:25.15 | djr | ohh, hehe ok |
| 20:25.22 | kergoth | rather you have what it included |
| 20:25.24 | r0ze | I think i just put it in there just because |
| 20:25.25 | kergoth | just packaged differently |
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| 20:31.05 | doughecka | "Can I run windows ce apps on my zaurus?" :) |
| 20:31.11 | treke | doughecka: no |
| 20:31.20 | treke | doughecka: you can however go to hell and die |
| 20:31.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:31.32 | doughecka | hmm, I think not :) |
| 20:31.42 | kergoth | aww cmon |
| 20:31.53 | treke | please |
| 20:31.58 | ChrisH | Why would anyone want to run those WinCE crap on a PDA? <sigh> |
| 20:32.16 | doughecka | ChrisH: hmm... :) |
| 20:32.16 | djr | can you flash from SD too? |
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| 20:32.36 | treke | djr: not on the 5500.5000 |
| 20:32.43 | djr | ok |
| 20:32.51 | ChrisH | doughecka: Maybe there is a vmware.ipk? :) |
| 20:32.58 | djr | so i just need to carry a CF card with essential stuff on it with me too |
| 20:33.11 | doughecka | ChrisH: ooh, that would soooo slow, IF it would work |
| 20:33.11 | zgabe | djr: hey, get your wifi on yet? |
| 20:33.17 | djr | zgabe: yeah, i bought it monday |
| 20:33.22 | djr | er |
| 20:33.25 | djr | i mean |
| 20:33.28 | djr | i got it working that same day |
| 20:33.32 | zgabe | cool |
| 20:33.33 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:33.35 | djr | i dunno what the initial problem was |
| 20:33.36 | doughecka | he means he stole it |
| 20:33.39 | ChrisH | doughecka: It would not. PocketPCs don't work on StrongARM CPUs IIRC. But a NewtonOS emulator should be possible. |
| 20:33.39 | doughecka | ;) |
| 20:33.51 | doughecka | ChrisH: hmm, that would be cool |
| 20:33.51 | djr | once i got it working, its worked flawlessly since |
| 20:33.56 | treke | ChrisH: uhm PocketPCs use strongarms |
| 20:33.57 | doughecka | or a palm emulator! |
| 20:33.58 | zgabe | same here |
| 20:34.01 | djr | including flashing back to original sharp rom, back to oz rom, etc |
| 20:34.06 | ChrisH | treke: Oops... |
| 20:34.15 | djr | it was just the first time getitng it working that was difficult |
| 20:34.25 | zgabe | aside from ocsiona;ly having to swap the card in and out |
| 20:34.27 | djr | maybe the card needed to be 'broke in' hehehe |
| 20:34.44 | djr | i havent had to do that yet... ive taken it out just cause i think it gets too hot sometimes and i wanna cool it off |
| 20:34.47 | djr | hehe |
| 20:34.48 | ChrisH | treke: I lost track of the platform-dependence... MIPS, Xscale, whatever... |
| 20:34.50 | doughecka | maybe I was dreaming :P |
| 20:35.06 | doughecka | ChrisH: I think windows CE 3 can run on any platform |
| 20:35.13 | warmi | these days PocketPC runs only on Arm arch |
| 20:35.15 | doughecka | MIPS, SH, x86, etc |
| 20:35.20 | zgabe | what the heck IS xscale |
| 20:35.21 | treke | wince devices started out on MIPS and SH3 |
| 20:35.22 | ChrisH | doughecka: Windows CE 3 _runs_? |
| 20:35.31 | doughecka | ChrisH: trys too anyways |
| 20:35.31 | treke | zgabe: its intels new cpu |
| 20:35.58 | treke | then when they went to "PocketPC", they restricted the platform to StrongArm. Now they are replacing SA with the Xscale |
| 20:36.02 | zgabe | yeah, but is it a new arch , or like arm or x86? |
| 20:36.04 | djr | i have linux on my playstation 2, thats mips |
| 20:36.04 | djr | hehehe |
| 20:36.09 | ChrisH | zgabe: It should be fast than the former CPUs but the OS can't handle it - it just drains more power. |
| 20:36.11 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:36.32 | ChrisH | zgabe: That's the way the cookie crumbles. Newer versions of M$ stuff drain more resources but you gain nothing. |
| 20:36.43 | doughecka | hmm, they have linux ported to MIPS CE devices :) |
| 20:36.53 | ChrisH | doughecka: _they_ did it? |
| 20:36.57 | zgabe | hm... |
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| 20:37.09 | doughecka | ChrisH: you sure like those _ :) |
| 20:37.38 | ChrisH | M$ lost me the moment I tried to restore a PocketPC backup and it told me that the .dll's that are in ROM can not be overwritten. I was asked to close the application that uses it (the _OS_) and then retry. |
| 20:37.51 | ChrisH | doughecka: _I_ _like_ _them_ *really*. ;) |
| 20:38.04 | doughecka | ChrisH: hmm, you can turn the device off |
| 20:38.07 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:38.15 | doughecka | ChrisH: I see that______________________________ |
| 20:38.22 | djr | i should have grabbed the email program while i had the original sharp rom on... cause i want a working email program =/ |
| 20:38.35 | zgabe | i played around w/ a mips tablet appliance a few years ago, we gave up on it because there was no linux support. it was some funky nec mips cpu |
| 20:38.45 | ChrisH | Has anyone seen demo versions of the tkc programs? tkcCalendar looks nice. |
| 20:39.03 | doughecka | zgabe: hmm, tripad maybe? |
| 20:39.30 | zgabe | epad or epod or something |
| 20:39.37 | doughecka | oh |
| 20:39.39 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:39.56 | ChrisH | Guys... is the standard desktop shipped by Sharp skinnable in any way? |
| 20:40.06 | Neo|Work | no |
| 20:40.20 | zgabe | my favorite was this acer appliance that used the geode chips |
| 20:41.39 | doughecka | hmm, anyone want to sell me there zaurus? ;) |
| 20:42.30 | kergoth | s/there/their/ |
| 20:42.42 | doughecka | picky |
| 20:42.51 | doughecka | ~spell kergoth |
| 20:42.57 | | possible spellings for kergoth: Keith Goth goth ergot Kennith zeroth growth Jeth Keogh Kieth kith Kenneth keg regrowth wroth Roth ergo |
| 20:43.06 | doughecka | regrowth is good |
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| 20:45.43 | zgabe | goth |
| 20:46.07 | doughecka | Names Goth.... Keith Goth |
| 20:46.33 | zgabe | middle name roth |
| 20:46.47 | doughecka | lol |
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| 20:47.23 | zgabe | i am totally loving -rc3.2 |
| 20:47.36 | djr | heh |
| 20:47.39 | djr | yeah, i have no problems with it |
| 20:47.44 | djr | i just want a working email program =/ |
| 20:47.59 | kergoth | zgabe: working well for you? |
| 20:48.14 | zgabe | s'pose i ought to upgrade to -rc3.3 at some point |
| 20:48.21 | djr | theres a 3.3? |
| 20:48.28 | kergoth | not yet there isnt |
| 20:48.37 | djr | kergoth: what am i supposed to be looking for as far as problems? |
| 20:48.40 | kergoth | I'm going to end up releasing this as 3.2 shortly |
| 20:48.46 | zgabe | kergoth: yeah, i get a few crashes here and there, but overall its great |
| 20:48.50 | kergoth | nothing in particular. |
| 20:49.01 | kergoth | zgabe: report any of the crashes that you can reproduce. |
| 20:49.06 | kergoth | then we can get em fixed. |
| 20:49.12 | djr | only thing ive noticed is that opera likes to close itself randomly |
| 20:49.20 | djr | hehe |
| 20:49.23 | zgabe | oh,i thought there was a 3.3 |
| 20:49.24 | doughecka | how hard is it to port to something to the zaurus platform? |
| 20:49.26 | kergoth | thats odd. could you run it from commandline and see if it errors when it does? |
| 20:49.34 | djr | kergoth: sure |
| 20:49.36 | kergoth | also, make sure you dont use the liquid window decorations |
| 20:49.38 | kergoth | it makes opera freak |
| 20:49.41 | djr | let me see if i can reproduce it |
| 20:49.47 | zgabe | heh |
| 20:49.49 | djr | yeah, im not using liquid... it takes too much screen space anyway |
| 20:49.57 | kergoth | i love flat myself |
| 20:49.57 | djr | i use fresh + grey + qpe |
| 20:50.02 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 20:50.14 | doughecka | can I just compile a kernal module and have it work? or do I need to do somthing to it? |
| 20:50.14 | kergoth | i like flat + dark + flat + smallsmooth font |
| 20:50.24 | kergoth | doughecka: you need to build the kernel module against the zaurus kernel sources. |
| 20:50.30 | doughecka | oh |
| 20:50.35 | doughecka | that hard? |
| 20:50.35 | zgabe | kergoth: what does the -debug kernel do differently? |
| 20:50.51 | kergoth | zgabe: just shows bootup messages, and runtime kernel messages. so like inserting a cf card you'll see cardmgr spew stuff |
| 20:51.02 | zgabe | neat |
| 20:51.05 | kergoth | consider it just a more verbose kernel |
| 20:51.07 | kergoth | maybe i'll change the name |
| 20:51.12 | zgabe | k |
| 20:51.15 | kergoth | zImage-blahblah-verbose.bin |
| 20:51.16 | kergoth | eh? |
| 20:51.22 | zgabe | cool |
| 20:51.42 | zgabe | k, i am off to pick up an SD card |
| 20:51.48 | zgabe | tata |
| 20:52.06 | djr | kergoth: just says seg fault |
| 20:52.15 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:52.22 | djr | you have opera on yours? |
| 20:52.24 | kergoth | what do you have to do to reproduce it? |
| 20:52.27 | kergoth | not at the moment |
| 20:53.04 | djr | i open opera... i click ont he url button... i goto the google search field... i type in opielook... then enter... then i click on the second link (the OPIE-Look one)... opie.info/~opielook |
| 20:53.08 | djr | and it segfaults |
| 20:53.18 | kergoth | hmm, can you email that to me? |
| 20:53.25 | kergoth | email is my repository of shit i need to get done |
| 20:53.32 | kergoth | i'll forget shit you tell me in irc :) |
| 20:53.43 | djr | sure, addy? |
| 20:53.47 | doughecka | would 139 dollars get me a zaurus? |
| 20:54.04 | djr | doughecka: no |
| 20:54.07 | djr | unless you look on ebay |
| 20:54.14 | doughecka | djr: they go for 200 |
| 20:54.33 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth |
| 20:54.33 | | [kergoth] at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 20:54.36 | djr | yeah, i got mine for $194 (including tax and s&H) |
| 20:54.38 | doughecka | exept for the 5000d model, and there is one of those for 100 :) |
| 20:54.50 | djr | hehe |
| 20:55.14 | doughecka | I hear its identical to the 5500, just half the memory |
| 20:55.56 | doughecka | is that correct? I dont need boat loads of memory |
| 20:56.09 | doughecka | and I can get a CF card if I have to :) |
| 20:56.59 | doughecka | sharps website dont say anything about it |
| 20:57.27 | icefox | yah and a minor bug in the battery |
| 20:57.35 | icefox | oh and it losses time |
| 20:57.39 | icefox | about 5 minutes a day |
| 20:57.41 | doughecka | anything else? |
| 20:57.45 | icefox | or somthing, I don't remember |
| 20:57.59 | icefox | thre battery bug simply was that it displayed the wrong amount left, nothing bad though |
| 20:58.04 | doughecka | oh |
| 20:58.06 | doughecka | cool |
| 20:58.16 | icefox | I belive that was it |
| 20:58.20 | doughecka | thats all that is diferent? |
| 20:58.27 | doughecka | same screen/speed? |
| 20:58.32 | icefox | the rom's have different stuff :) |
| 20:58.38 | doughecka | oh |
| 20:58.55 | doughecka | would that matter any? |
| 20:59.36 | icefox | nope, oz is nice |
| 20:59.44 | doughecka | cool |
| 21:00.20 | titeuf | re |
| 21:00.30 | doughecka | too bad it doesnt have a pcmcia slot in it though |
| 21:02.30 | djr | kergoth: k, detailed email sent |
| 21:02.41 | icefox | ? |
| 21:02.46 | kergoth | okay, thanks |
| 21:02.47 | icefox | doughecka: you can get an adaptor |
| 21:02.55 | doughecka | icefox: CF to pcmcia? |
| 21:02.55 | icefox | and plugin your pcmcia cards |
| 21:02.57 | icefox | yup |
| 21:02.58 | doughecka | wow |
| 21:03.06 | icefox | not really sure why you would want to, but you can |
| 21:03.15 | icefox | pcmcia is more power hungry |
| 21:03.26 | icefox | for example I get everythign in CF and have a cf->pcmcia adaptor |
| 21:03.32 | icefox | the only real difference is size |
| 21:03.45 | doughecka | ah, 15 bucks for an adaptor |
| 21:04.01 | doughecka | but PCMCIA devices are cheaper and easyer to find |
| 21:04.14 | icefox | check out the power usage first |
| 21:04.23 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:04.30 | doughecka | can it run 5 volt items? |
| 21:04.39 | icefox | don't know |
| 21:04.51 | doughecka | my other PDA has a 2.5 volt battery, but it can run 5 volt items, just uses up alot of power |
| 21:04.58 | icefox | but eather way that would probably drain the battery |
| 21:05.05 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:07.11 | *** join/#zaurus toolafial (~chatzilla@user199.net200.lv.sprint-hsd.net) |
| 21:09.31 | toolafial | has anyone heard of 5600 software will be back ported to the 5500? |
| 21:12.11 | gaurdian | well, I know most tkc software either runs on the 5600 or will be made to do so |
| 21:12.13 | icefox | yah I heard that |
| 21:12.21 | gaurdian | heya icefox |
| 21:12.23 | *** join/#zaurus S|amdunk (~dunno@host217-41-48-14.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 21:12.24 | icefox | hehe |
| 21:12.28 | S|amdunk | good evening |
| 21:12.37 | icefox | course I can't say if i heard it internally or externally. Sorry |
| 21:13.01 | gaurdian | hehe |
| 21:13.10 | gaurdian | I can :) I herd from TKC |
| 21:13.10 | S|amdunk | anyone help me out with a suggestion for a working irc client |
| 21:13.21 | djr | i cant get my zaurus to sync with oz |
| 21:13.36 | toolafial | well I know that there's a newer kernel for the 5600 |
| 21:13.45 | toolafial | is that available for the 5500 too? |
| 21:13.51 | toolafial | also the newer Qtopia |
| 21:14.02 | djr | nvm, i got it |
| 21:15.36 | S|amdunk | any suggestions for a working irc client for the Z? |
| 21:15.54 | gaurdian | no idea, I dont IRC from mine, but I assume I should look into one |
| 21:16.10 | S|amdunk | dont bother with the TKC one then :) |
| 21:16.27 | gaurdian | heh, bad one ? |
| 21:16.45 | S|amdunk | there is only one server running the transport - belongs to TKC :) |
| 21:16.51 | gaurdian | ahh' |
| 21:16.58 | S|amdunk | cant use it to connect to any other net |
| 21:17.12 | S|amdunk | i just emailed for a refund - what you think the chances are :) |
| 21:17.26 | gaurdian | I donno... |
| 21:17.34 | gaurdian | give em a call |
| 21:17.46 | S|amdunk | which country are they based in? |
| 21:17.57 | gaurdian | USA |
| 21:18.39 | S|amdunk | thats the problem i will pay in call charges the same as i payed for the prog - UK here |
| 21:18.51 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 21:19.28 | S|amdunk | i do actually have a working free client - just it doesnt allow inputing of keys for keyed channels |
| 21:19.34 | S|amdunk | ah well - the search continues |
| 21:19.37 | djr | tkc doesnt even have an irc client |
| 21:19.46 | S|amdunk | djr - tkcjabber |
| 21:20.07 | S|amdunk | Features |
| 21:20.08 | S|amdunk | tkcJabber has the following features: |
| 21:20.08 | S|amdunk | Support for any Jabber transport such as Jabber, AIM, MSN, Yahoo Chat,ICQ, IRC |
| 21:20.08 | S|amdunk | Buddy lists |
| 21:20.08 | S|amdunk | IRC servers |
| 21:20.13 | gaurdian | thats a jabberr client |
| 21:20.25 | djr | yeah, thtas a jabber client.. . you said irc ;) |
| 21:20.26 | S|amdunk | see extract from the webby |
| 21:20.29 | *** join/#zaurus nichos (none@52.44.33.65.cfl.rr.com) |
| 21:20.47 | gaurdian | I am gonna look at compiling BitchX or irrsi |
| 21:20.57 | S|amdunk | BX rox |
| 21:20.59 | djr | what do you mean there is only one transport? |
| 21:21.01 | djr | irssi > bx |
| 21:21.08 | djr | not by a small amount, either |
| 21:21.11 | djr | Irssi 0.8.6.CVS (20030304) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 21:21.18 | gaurdian | LIKE i SAID, WHATEVER IONE COMPILES, i USE BOTH |
| 21:21.23 | gaurdian | sorry about caps |
| 21:21.35 | djr | hehe |
| 21:21.38 | nichos | hi all-this is not a troll at all, im in the market for a new pda, and ive always LOVED the zaurus, since they're much cheaper now, ive been reading up on them, is the battery life as bad as people say? |
| 21:21.45 | S|amdunk | djr - http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcjabber/ |
| 21:21.55 | djr | S|amdunk: yeah, i know the url |
| 21:22.00 | S|amdunk | :) |
| 21:22.06 | djr | S|amdunk: im just asking you, what do you mean you can only connect to one transport? |
| 21:22.07 | S|amdunk | then this from the user guide |
| 21:22.12 | S|amdunk | Why doesn't IRC work right for me? |
| 21:22.13 | S|amdunk | theKompany did a number of important fixes to the IRC-TRANSPORT code supplied with Jabber to make it usable. At this time we have the only Jabber server running this code, so if you connect to a different Jabber server, it isn't likely to work. |
| 21:22.21 | gaurdian | nichos , well, I havent had battery issues, but I have a few chargers scattered around, one at office, home...' |
| 21:22.46 | djr | S|amdunk: but you can still connect to any jabber server you want, right? |
| 21:22.55 | nichos | gaurdian can you buy rechargables, and plug it in? i read it comes w/an ac adapter |
| 21:22.58 | djr | i never use the irc transport with any jabber clien |
| 21:23.02 | S|amdunk | yes - but i bought it for the irc |
| 21:23.09 | S|amdunk | i use irc a lot |
| 21:23.10 | kergoth | heh, its not exactly tkc's fault if the irc transport on other servers sucks. |
| 21:23.29 | S|amdunk | but the advertising is their fault i think :) |
| 21:23.39 | djr | what happened to vim in the unstable feed? |
| 21:23.41 | gaurdian | nichos , no idea, I bought extra chargers and extra betteries |
| 21:23.43 | kergoth | no, it does support irc. just only via their jabber server. |
| 21:23.48 | kergoth | djr: its not there? |
| 21:23.52 | djr | no |
| 21:23.54 | djr | it was there yesterday |
| 21:23.56 | kergoth | djr: should be as of this morning.. |
| 21:23.57 | djr | its not there now |
| 21:23.58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:24.00 | kergoth | bipolar: ping |
| 21:24.05 | nichos | gaurdian oh, you're saying you use regular rechargeables then |
| 21:24.13 | S|amdunk | kergoth - but can i connect to ircnet for example via their server? |
| 21:24.30 | gaurdian | no, I have 2 extra sharp zaurus batteries and a extra charger unit |
| 21:24.35 | kergoth | S|amdunk: ask them, not me. |
| 21:24.40 | S|amdunk | heh |
| 21:24.45 | gaurdian | I always have 2 charging and one in the unit |
| 21:24.49 | S|amdunk | okidokes |
| 21:25.03 | djr | kergoth: and how do you upgrade opie things running? like when they have that red dot |
| 21:25.09 | djr | er that red start |
| 21:25.19 | gaurdian | you might talk to mspencer regarding makeing a battery pack though |
| 21:25.41 | kergoth | djr: ipkg upgrade at a prompt is safest, preferably with opie not running |
| 21:25.45 | nichos | gaurdian ohhh, i didnt know it came w/a rechargeable battery |
| 21:26.07 | djr | kergoth: it still works online? |
| 21:26.26 | kergoth | djr: yep |
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| 21:27.26 | nichos | gaurdian thanks for all the info |
| 21:27.29 | bipolar | kergoth: pong |
| 21:27.41 | kergoth | bipolar: is vim in unstable? |
| 21:28.01 | bipolar | kergoth: no. I mentioned that in the email. the tarball went unavailable. |
| 21:28.09 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:28.33 | icefox | ibot icefox |
| 21:28.34 | | you are, like, a kde/qte developer who works for Sharp and does developer support for the Zaurus, or known as benmeyer |
| 21:28.34 | bipolar | kergoth: I'd like to get mplayer, xmms-e, and kismet-qt working too. :) |
| 21:28.44 | kergoth | uh |
| 21:28.48 | kergoth | you didnt say anything about vim in the email |
| 21:28.54 | icefox | ibot icefox is a kde developer and is known as benmeyer |
| 21:28.55 | | ...but icefox is already something else... |
| 21:28.55 | kergoth | kismet-qt is an easy fix |
| 21:29.01 | icefox | ibot forget icefox |
| 21:29.01 | | icefox: i forgot icefox |
| 21:29.03 | icefox | ibot icefox is a kde developer and is known as benmeyer |
| 21:29.04 | | icefox: okay |
| 21:29.07 | kergoth | bipolar: add KERNEL to the depends on line in packages/kismet-qte/config.in |
| 21:29.08 | icefox | ibot icefox |
| 21:29.09 | | from memory, icefox is a kde developer and is known as benmeyer |
| 21:29.10 | bipolar | kergoth: hmmm.... maybe it was on the irc channel...hmm |
| 21:29.21 | icefox | ibot benmeyer |
| 21:29.21 | | hmm... benmeyer is icefox |
| 21:29.24 | doughecka | ~no, icefox is <reply> icefox is a kde developer and is known as benmeyer |
| 21:29.33 | doughecka | ~icefox |
| 21:29.33 | | somebody said icefox was a kde developer and is known as benmeyer |
| 21:29.37 | doughecka | bah |
| 21:29.39 | icefox | :) |
| 21:29.42 | doughecka | dumb thing |
| 21:29.44 | icefox | I am who I am |
| 21:29.53 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:30.08 | icefox | I am who am I |
| 21:30.15 | doughecka | I yam who I yam |
| 21:30.27 | icefox | palendroms |
| 21:30.37 | doughecka | ~dict palendroms. |
| 21:30.44 | *** join/#zaurus flipLR (~flip@ip68-2-113-32.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 21:30.48 | bipolar | ibot: bipolar |
| 21:30.48 | | methinks bipolar is http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=bipolar&type=1 |
| 21:30.50 | kergoth | ibot: spell palendroms |
| 21:30.51 | | possible spellings for palendroms: palindromes palindrome's palindrome palindromic |
| 21:30.56 | kergoth | ibot: dict palindrome |
| 21:30.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:31.07 | doughecka | oooh |
| 21:31.25 | flipLR | heh rise to vote sir (simpsons) |
| 21:31.43 | kergoth | icefox: let me know when you're going to work on the ppp module, I'm willing to assist and test |
| 21:31.45 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:31.53 | icefox | bipolar is intrinsically more complex than that of a total hip |
| 21:31.58 | bipolar | lol |
| 21:32.02 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:32.33 | doughecka | ~particle of the day |
| 21:32.34 | | super-inverse positrino |
| 21:32.58 | icefox | http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=icefox&type=1 |
| 21:32.59 | icefox | hahaha |
| 21:33.10 | flipLR | is there a way to make the backlight off by default? |
| 21:33.26 | kergoth | icefox: aha |
| 21:33.27 | doughecka | Phenylpropanolamine |
| 21:33.39 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 21:33.41 | kergoth | http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=kergoth&type=1 |
| 21:33.59 | icefox | benmeyer is a retired clinical psychologist who has taken up writing in the last few years |
| 21:33.59 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.01 | icefox | hahaha |
| 21:34.20 | doughecka | Sorry, Google doesn't know enough about doughecka yet |
| 21:34.30 | kergoth | my googlism page sorta sums me up |
| 21:34.35 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:34.49 | icefox | I noticed that when I "sigh" I litterally say "sigh" at the same time now.... |
| 21:34.57 | kergoth | thats not a good sign |
| 21:35.07 | bipolar | I wish the quotes were links to the content where they are located |
| 21:35.15 | kergoth | yeah, thatd be cool |
| 21:35.19 | icefox | I guess I have been doing it for a long time too acording to my wife |
| 21:35.23 | doughecka | icefox: lol |
| 21:35.50 | flipLR | or is there maybe a script that is run on resume from suspend? |
| 21:36.02 | kergoth | flipLR: on OZ there is. not on sharp |
| 21:36.16 | flipLR | aight, i'm running OZ |
| 21:36.37 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.43 | kergoth | resume.d, suspend.d, event.d |
| 21:37.11 | flipLR | gotcha, now to find a commandline backlight control |
| 21:37.48 | kergoth | there is one for the OZ 2.4.19, but dont have one handy for 2.4.6 |
| 21:39.43 | flipLR | yeah, a switch to keep the backlight off by default would be nice |
| 21:39.51 | gaurdian | spammer |
| 21:39.54 | gaurdian | ooppss |
| 21:40.01 | doughecka | yea you SPAMMER! |
| 21:40.06 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:40.36 | gaurdian | heh |
| 21:41.00 | digitalnick | anyone wanna by my old handspring :P |
| 21:41.12 | flipLR | heh, what model? |
| 21:41.25 | flipLR | the only one i ever really liked as the Edge |
| 21:41.32 | digitalnick | visor |
| 21:41.35 | doughecka | ooh |
| 21:41.37 | doughecka | free? |
| 21:41.38 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:41.49 | flipLR | original visor, wow, old |
| 21:41.56 | digitalnick | hehe |
| 21:42.03 | gaurdian | heh, I have one of them |
| 21:42.08 | digitalnick | yeh what 3 years old now? |
| 21:42.19 | flipLR | older than that it seems |
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| 21:42.33 | flipLR | they were coming out around when i got my PalmV |
| 21:42.53 | digitalnick | well its a visor prism |
| 21:43.04 | flipLR | ah, the 33mhz one? |
| 21:43.06 | doughecka | not color? |
| 21:43.12 | digitalnick | yeh |
| 21:43.13 | djr | where would i look to make desktop links? |
| 21:43.15 | flipLR | or was that the color one? |
| 21:43.21 | digitalnick | no its color |
| 21:43.26 | doughecka | ooh |
| 21:43.30 | gaurdian | but doesnt use the palm part anymore |
| 21:43.37 | flipLR | heh |
| 21:43.47 | doughecka | lemme see |
| 21:43.52 | digitalnick | heh i use it soo little its handiecaped |
| 21:43.55 | flipLR | color is nice, the zaurus is the 1st color one i've had |
| 21:43.55 | doughecka | my address is.... :P |
| 21:44.07 | digitalnick | hehe |
| 21:44.24 | digitalnick | now that ive got a zaurus on the way |
| 21:45.31 | icefox | ibot seen Shdwdrgn |
| 21:45.32 | | shdwdrgn is currently on #zaurus (17h 10m 18s) #openembedded (17h 10m 18s) |
| 21:45.40 | icefox | Hey Shdwdrgn! |
| 21:45.43 | icefox | :- |
| 21:45.44 | icefox | ) |
| 21:46.35 | doughecka | I want to buy a consanent |
| 21:46.41 | ChrisH | Oh, well... the PIM stuff on the Z ist truely disappointing. Is Sharp serious? |
| 21:46.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:46.58 | kergoth | is Sharp serious. what a question. |
| 21:48.06 | ChrisH | kergoth: (ChrisH is no native english speaker) Does SHARP _mean_ it? |
| 21:48.35 | kergoth | there are so many ways to answer that question |
| 21:48.39 | doughecka | I had a sharp hc 5600... they dont even have upgrades for it anymore |
| 21:48.44 | doughecka | :( so I sold it |
| 21:48.45 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:49.21 | doughecka | is there anyway for me to trigger the LCD on and off on the zaurus? |
| 21:51.03 | doughecka | guess not |
| 21:51.54 | flipLR | there is, i saw a little app todo it somewhere |
| 21:52.05 | doughecka | cool |
| 21:53.10 | icefox | killfiz.de |
| 21:56.58 | djr | so doing a hard reset in OZ loses data? which data? the ram? |
| 21:57.37 | flipLR | ram |
| 21:57.51 | flipLR | doughecka: technicly its flashROM |
| 21:57.56 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:58.00 | doughecka | interesting |
| 21:58.06 | djr | but everything i installed to ram is still there |
| 21:58.10 | flipLR | which means it doesn't have to have voltage applied to maintain its data |
| 21:58.16 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:58.22 | doughecka | like a flash card |
| 21:59.12 | doughecka | http://www.zaurus.com/ has a picture of a zaurus, and it looks like it has a camera... what is it? |
| 22:06.49 | KhensU | crap |
| 22:06.55 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:07.00 | doughecka | crap. |
| 22:07.02 | flipLR | is there a free mpeg4 player? or a plug for opie-mediaplayer? |
| 22:07.07 | flipLR | plugin even |
| 22:07.19 | doughecka | I think thats what he said |
| 22:07.20 | kergoth | use opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 22:07.25 | kergoth | or mplayer/xmms-e |
| 22:07.43 | flipLR | opie-mediaplayer2 supports mpeg4/divx? |
| 22:09.11 | kergoth | flipLR: yes. |
| 22:09.13 | kergoth | ibot: op2 |
| 22:09.13 | | well, op2 is a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, and other formats. The backend uses the xine libs. search for it in the oz3 feed for install help. ... http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php, or a more recent version of op2 can be found in the official unstable feed of openzaurus |
| 22:10.10 | doughecka | now if the zaurus only had a 20 gig drive and a Video port... |
| 22:10.16 | flipLR | heh |
| 22:10.24 | kergoth | you can stream video to the Z |
| 22:10.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:10.30 | doughecka | cool |
| 22:10.38 | doughecka | how about outputting it to a TV? |
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| 22:19.56 | nichos | anyone awake? |
| 22:20.08 | nichos | they have the zaurus at HSN! again!!!!! |
| 22:20.19 | nichos | its not on the website, but i called them to pre-order it, and he said they have them in stock |
| 22:20.36 | nichos | 4000, he said the website will be updated soon, but you can call them, and place your order |
| 22:20.59 | nichos | i just ordered mine:) |
| 22:21.09 | gaurdian | cool |
| 22:21.17 | kergoth | oh nice |
| 22:21.20 | kergoth | ibot: |
| 22:21.20 | | kergoth: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 22:21.31 | nichos | the new customer code for 15% off is HSN4897 fyi |
| 22:33.26 | noidd | kergoth: image is gorgous :-) |
| 22:33.40 | noidd | kergoth: only bug i've found is with the package mangler |
| 22:33.59 | noidd | all the other bugs that were bugging me are fixed |
| 22:34.24 | doughecka | nichos: how much? |
| 22:34.44 | noidd | ack, bed |
| 22:34.47 | noidd | later all |
| 22:34.56 | noidd | oh, bug rep - probably known |
| 22:35.05 | kergoth | what package manager bug? |
| 22:35.27 | nichos | its 199 |
| 22:35.29 | noidd | If an install of a package fails because of lack of network or 404 or other associated failure - the package mangler still marks it as installed |
| 22:35.37 | doughecka | nichos: plus 15% off? |
| 22:35.49 | nichos | doughecka its 199 for me, cause i live in fla, and they're in fla, so i had to pay taxes |
| 22:35.58 | kergoth | noidd: ahh yeah i heard about that. can you check and see if its in mantis? |
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| 22:36.11 | nichos | doughecka 198 before taxes, and shipping, for me, 191 rather, not 199, shipped, tax, everything |
| 22:36.11 | noidd | in mantis? |
| 22:36.21 | doughecka | nichos: oh |
| 22:36.22 | treke|home | ibot, opie bugs? |
| 22:36.27 | | opie bugs is, like, http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 22:36.27 | nichos | so 198 before tax, coupon, shipping |
| 22:36.40 | doughecka | I thought it was like 160 or something |
| 22:36.46 | noidd | lookin |
| 22:36.49 | nichos | so $169.08 before shipping |
| 22:36.53 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:37.04 | doughecka | cool |
| 22:37.15 | doughecka | thats alot in shipping |
| 22:37.20 | nichos | heh:) still an awesome deal, the palm i was considering was around $150 |
| 22:37.27 | nichos | doughecka tax, im in fla, so i have tax, and shipping |
| 22:37.29 | doughecka | ~199 - 169 |
| 22:37.30 | | 30 |
| 22:37.34 | doughecka | sheesh |
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| 22:37.56 | doughecka | well cool |
| 22:38.04 | doughecka | I will see if I can get a 5000d first |
| 22:38.12 | doughecka | then I guess I will try the HSN |
| 22:38.13 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:38.15 | nichos | actually, tax $10, $179, so shipping like 12 |
| 22:38.38 | mutexer | I get some graphic lag when drawing a bunch of images to the screen.. not a whole lot.. but they are pngs with alpha.. could that be why? |
| 22:38.38 | doughecka | hmm, not to bad |
| 22:38.52 | doughecka | so I can get it for 182... |
| 22:38.54 | doughecka | sorta |
| 22:39.13 | noidd | oh kergoth, one other bug |
| 22:39.14 | doughecka | mutexer: upgrade the video card to a geforce 4 ti :P |
| 22:39.16 | nichos | the 5500 is above the 5000d correct? |
| 22:39.23 | doughecka | nichos: no |
| 22:39.29 | mutexer | should it make a difference with drawPixmap if the Pixmap was a png or something else? or does any format get converted to the same thing? |
| 22:39.33 | doughecka | nichos: 5000d is 5500 with half the memory |
| 22:39.35 | noidd | If you plonk the Z in the cradle while suspended, then resume - the Z hangs hard |
| 22:39.42 | doughecka | it was the pre5500 |
| 22:39.44 | kergoth | yeah, the suspend/resume while in cradle thing is a knwon bug |
| 22:39.47 | mutexer | once they come out with the geforce 4 ZGO I will |
| 22:39.47 | nichos | doughecka oh yeah |
| 22:39.52 | kergoth | i'll look into it after the next release. not sure whats causing it |
| 22:39.54 | doughecka | mutexer: hehe |
| 22:40.05 | nichos | doughecka if you keep your eye on dealnews.com you can usually get memory cards cheap! thats where i found the zaurus deal |
| 22:40.09 | noidd | I guessed it would be, was kinda blatent :-/ |
| 22:40.14 | doughecka | nichos: I can get a 128 meg CF card for 50 bucks :) |
| 22:40.20 | doughecka | nichos: ah |
| 22:40.23 | noidd | thanks kergoth, trawling mantis - will let you know |
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| 22:40.47 | bobbyd | hi |
| 22:40.55 | doughecka | hi!!!! |
| 22:41.01 | bobbyd | mspencer: you here? |
| 22:41.03 | nichos | doughecka from my take on it, this is close to a laptop, so all in all, not a bad price-look at the price for a 200mhz laptop on ebay |
| 22:41.14 | toolafial | I just got a 128 Mb cf card for 28 |
| 22:41.17 | doughecka | nichos: yea |
| 22:41.20 | nichos | doughecka hell, look at the zaurus price on ebay, i could still make a profit, if i didnt open it, and just ebay'd it;) |
| 22:41.24 | doughecka | toolafial: ooh, :) |
| 22:41.30 | nichos | but the coupon is only for 1 item |
| 22:41.36 | doughecka | nichos: yea, they go for 200+ |
| 22:41.41 | doughecka | ooh, dinner! |
| 22:41.50 | bobbyd | i'm trying to get gcc working... |
| 22:41.59 | *** part/#zaurus Com[Plex] (ANGRYMAN@65.217.160.228) |
| 22:42.05 | nichos | do most people use the openzaurus, or the sharp rom? |
| 22:42.35 | _Psycho | OZ |
| 22:42.37 | _Psycho | i believe |
| 22:42.45 | _Psycho | or the crow rom i saw it too |
| 22:42.50 | _Psycho | but i dont have a 5500 so /shrug |
| 22:43.06 | noidd | kergoth: would the lack of eject, insert on hitting <ok> in the Network app be a mantis or oz bugg? |
| 22:43.19 | kergoth | opie |
| 22:43.20 | kergoth | mantis |
| 22:43.26 | cbok | psycho - what do u have |
| 22:43.28 | cbok | KERGOTH! |
| 22:43.32 | kergoth | yo cbok |
| 22:43.33 | cbok | ~lart kergoth hello there |
| 22:43.34 | kergoth | whats goin on man |
| 22:43.34 | nichos | _Psycho cool, so its pretty much stable |
| 22:43.35 | noidd | ok, thanks |
| 22:43.42 | cbok | not much sir |
| 22:43.49 | cbok | i have to stay in denver another night |
| 22:43.51 | cbok | :-( |
| 22:44.02 | cbok | and i'm not packed accordingly |
| 22:44.03 | nichos | oh, and another question, are all the zaurus apps all compad. with whatever rom you're using? |
| 22:44.16 | bobbyd | _Psycho: you have a c700? |
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| 22:45.01 | kergoth | cbok: ah, thats unfortuante |
| 22:45.05 | kergoth | cbok: unfortunate that is |
| 22:45.15 | bobbyd | nichos: not as far as i know, but there's a special 'feed' for OZ |
| 22:45.49 | cbok | kergoth - tho, i'll have to go visit that dinning establishment i was at last night. :-D |
| 22:45.56 | kergoth | good plan |
| 22:45.59 | cbok | oh yeah |
| 22:46.47 | bobbyd | mspencer: you around? |
| 22:47.13 | nichos | bobbyd so how do you know what do download? like is the stuff at killefiz for oz? |
| 22:47.49 | bobbyd | nichos: on the www.openzaurus.org site, there's a page called a feed with all the stuff for OZ |
| 22:47.57 | nichos | bobbyd thanks! |
| 22:48.05 | bobbyd | np |
| 22:48.24 | bobbyd | i've owned my zaurus for a week btw, so dont take my word for anything ;) |
| 22:48.29 | bobbyd | nichos: what have you got? |
| 22:48.46 | nichos | bobbyd just ordered the 5500 about 10min ago;) |
| 22:48.52 | bobbyd | cool |
| 22:49.02 | noidd | kergoth: new bug :-/ |
| 22:49.04 | nichos | yeah, the hsn deal is back up |
| 22:49.15 | kergoth | noidd: could you fuck around with ipkg at cmdline, see if package failure is ahdnled right? that is, it shows it as not installed? |
| 22:49.19 | kergoth | noidd: whats that? |
| 22:49.21 | toolafial | my mom loves hsn, now I do too! |
| 22:49.47 | nichos | lol |
| 22:49.59 | nichos | toolafial use a different address so you get the 15% off:) |
| 22:50.00 | noidd | narrow it down to ipkg or aqpkg |
| 22:50.01 | noidd | sure |
| 22:50.15 | bobbyd | kergoth: do you think a GUI c700 version of OZ will appear in the next 6 months? |
| 22:50.47 | kergoth | bobbyd: easily |
| 22:50.55 | kergoth | closer to a month |
| 22:51.05 | kergoth | it already exists, just needs some tender lovign care |
| 22:51.13 | bobbyd | cool |
| 22:51.29 | bobbyd | and if i install the gcc ipkg on that it'll work ok? |
| 22:51.35 | bobbyd | i'm drooling to get working |
| 22:51.37 | noidd | ok, its 100% reproducable for me - dropping to command line |
| 22:51.56 | bobbyd | i think i'll do a new little code editor, MiniIDE is a bit clunky in java |
| 22:52.11 | bobbyd | i was thinking of getting the tk one though, anyone tried it? |
| 22:54.45 | noidd | kergoth: tested it with the package python-core |
| 22:54.55 | noidd | just told it to install with no network connectivity |
| 22:55.01 | noidd | gui shows it now as installed |
| 22:55.08 | noidd | doing ipkg files python-core |
| 22:55.15 | noidd | and it says that python-core is not installed |
| 22:55.38 | kergoth | dont rely on ipkg files |
| 22:55.41 | noidd | I couldn't find the command to list all installed packages - man pages on a Z screen are hard |
| 22:55.45 | kergoth | you installed it from consle? |
| 22:55.53 | noidd | no, from the gui |
| 22:56.01 | noidd | ah, lemme try from the console |
| 22:56.05 | kergoth | do ipkg status |
| 22:56.07 | kergoth | to check status |
| 22:56.15 | kergoth | files doesnt show its installed if you instyalled to sd/cf/ram |
| 22:56.24 | noidd | ahhh |
| 22:56.25 | noidd | k |
| 22:57.03 | noidd | ok, doing it from the command line |
| 22:57.25 | kergoth | ok |
| 22:58.14 | noidd | ok, I do ipkg install zuc |
| 22:58.28 | noidd | it complains it can't download it (as you would expect with no network) :-D |
| 22:58.40 | noidd | I then fire up the GUI and its shown as installed. |
| 22:58.48 | kergoth | okay, does ipkg status zuc? |
| 22:58.55 | noidd | I don't see it in ipkg status | grep zuc |
| 22:58.58 | noidd | checking that |
| 22:59.00 | kergoth | k |
| 22:59.12 | kergoth | ipkg status zuc, ipkg info zuc, ipkg files zuc |
| 22:59.13 | kergoth | try em all |
| 22:59.39 | noidd | erm, interesting |
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| 22:59.53 | noidd | is this normal? with ipkg info zuc |
| 23:00.10 | noidd | Status: install ok not-installed |
| 23:00.21 | kergoth | ah, that means you want it installed |
| 23:00.22 | kergoth | but it isnt |
| 23:00.28 | kergoth | aqpkg is fucking up its parsing |
| 23:00.30 | kergoth | i'd say |
| 23:01.52 | noidd | you think its regexing on install :-P |
| 23:01.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:01.57 | noidd | that woule be silly |
| 23:01.59 | kergoth | very |
| 23:02.27 | noidd | I'll raise the bug |
| 23:02.38 | kergoth | k |
| 23:02.54 | noidd | hmm, feature, tweak, minor, major, world war III |
| 23:03.04 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:03.10 | kergoth | i'd say major, as its a big cause of confusion for users |
| 23:03.36 | noidd | yeah - when you try to really install something after doing that - it asks if you want to re-install |
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| 23:03.52 | noidd | you say yes - then when it processes it fails saying it cant find the .files file |
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| 23:10.56 | kergoth | noidd: yep, major confusion |
| 23:11.02 | noidd | submitted, now I can go to bed :-) |
| 23:11.06 | kergoth | night :) |
| 23:11.11 | kergoth | thanks for testing, i appreciate it |
| 23:11.15 | noidd | night mate, thanks again for your help |
| 23:11.27 | noidd | my pleasure, glad to be able to assist, you're doing an ammazing job. |
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| 23:29.49 | djr | hmmm |
| 23:30.20 | djr | kergoth: would you happen to know why mail2 is broken? |
| 23:31.02 | kergoth | not offhand |
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| 23:32.32 | treke | because it |
| 23:32.37 | treke | it's completly unmaintained |
| 23:32.46 | Ignatius | Hello. |
| 23:33.13 | Ignatius | Can you download directions into a Zaurus |
| 23:33.14 | Ignatius | ? |
| 23:33.35 | doughecka | like driving directions? |
| 23:33.42 | Ignatius | yeah, mapquest has a download to pda function |
| 23:33.55 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:33.56 | doughecka | no |
| 23:34.02 | doughecka | it needs avant go |
| 23:34.14 | Ignatius | There's no linux equivalent to that? |
| 23:34.30 | doughecka | not that I know of |
| 23:34.40 | Ignatius | Does the Zaurus have a GPS available? |
| 23:34.41 | treke | no there is no avant go for zaurus |
| 23:35.29 | Ignatius | I haven't decided if I want a sharp or an ipaq yet |
| 23:35.36 | Ignatius | Trying to find the real differences |
| 23:35.46 | treke | they are completly different |
| 23:36.00 | Ignatius | so far I'm sad to say I think the Windows can do what I need it to do better than the linux can... |
| 23:36.33 | treke | oh well. |
| 23:36.48 | Ignatius | Yeah, kinda sucks...I use linux at home |
| 23:36.58 | treke | then you probably dont want an ipaq running windows ce |
| 23:37.05 | Ignatius | why not? |
| 23:37.46 | treke | because the linux cant communicate with ce |
| 23:37.56 | Ignatius | There's no winning with this, is there... |
| 23:37.59 | doughecka | nope |
| 23:38.06 | doughecka | use microsoft, use it all the way |
| 23:38.07 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:38.12 | Ignatius | :-/ |
| 23:38.21 | doughecka | use linux... well... use any operating system on the planet |
| 23:38.22 | treke | that would be half the problem with microsoft. |
| 23:38.29 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:38.32 | treke | It doesnt usually play nice |
| 23:38.39 | doughecka | heh |
| 23:38.42 | Ignatius | Why would it? |
| 23:39.05 | Ignatius | They can afford to have most consumers buy everything microsoft, they don't need to make it work with anything else. |
| 23:39.21 | Ignatius | They don't care if they fuck a few people here and there...like me in this case. |
| 23:40.20 | Ignatius | come to think of it I don't think I'd want an ipaq because then I'd be giving even more money to microsoft. |
| 23:40.33 | Ignatius | I'm not good enough to write gps software |
| 23:41.01 | Ignatius | Heh |
| 23:41.07 | Ignatius | I can only because I got my taxes back |
| 23:41.09 | treke | there is gps software for the zaurus |
| 23:41.16 | Ignatius | Cool. |
| 23:41.20 | Ignatius | Do you have a link to it? |
| 23:41.30 | treke | ibot zsi? |
| 23:41.34 | | rumour has it, zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 23:41.34 | Ignatius | It functions fully? |
| 23:41.46 | treke | Ignatius: Not quite. No SD support. just mmc |
| 23:41.49 | treke | otherwise yes |
| 23:41.59 | Ignatius | Isn't SD the same card as MMC?> |
| 23:42.03 | treke | no |
| 23:42.16 | Ignatius | hmm... |
| 23:42.24 | doughecka | mmc gsp? |
| 23:42.28 | doughecka | gps? |
| 23:42.34 | doughecka | howzat work? |
| 23:42.35 | Ignatius | ibot search zsi for gps |
| 23:42.55 | Ignatius | I don't know how to check 'zsi' ? |
| 23:43.07 | Ignatius | GpsDrive |
| 23:43.32 | treke | you open your web browser and go to that web page |
| 23:43.32 | treke | :) |
| 23:44.02 | djr | my 256mb sd card shipped today |
| 23:44.03 | djr | :D |
| 23:45.16 | gaurdian | cool |
| 23:45.23 | zoid | djr: what brand you get? |
| 23:45.34 | gaurdian | I have a 256 SD also |
| 23:45.54 | zoid | i got a 256mb Lexar SD card the other day |
| 23:46.03 | zoid | i can't even get it out of the Z, heh |
| 23:46.17 | zoid | it's so small and there's nothing to grab ahold of to pull it out |
| 23:46.48 | gaurdian | I have SanDisk here |
| 23:49.17 | djr | zoid: sandisk |
| 23:49.29 | djr | was $77 after tax and s&h |
| 23:50.23 | cor | zoid if it's sd just push on it, it'll click back out |
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| 23:57.02 | zoid | cor: heh, i didn't know that :) |
| 23:57.20 | Ignatius | I need a second job. |
| 23:57.38 | Ignatius | I work at Staples now and they suck. |
| 23:58.00 | Ignatius | No gimmicks, no commission, and they won't give me enough hours. |
| 23:58.39 | Ignatius | I'm in high school going into college, I don't care about health insurance. Give me a good percent off and I'm happy. |