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| 00:03.56 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 00:04.03 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is -4 C (24 F), windspeed is 24.14 km/h, and visibility is 48.28 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.15 2300 UTC). |
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| 00:04.22 | George- | weatherbot: weather lonuk |
| 00:04.23 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station LONUK |
| 00:04.26 | George- | weatherbot: weather lnuk |
| 00:04.27 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station LNUK |
| 00:04.32 | George- | what's london UK? |
| 00:05.16 | chouimat | George-: don't know |
| 00:08.24 | George- | weatherbot: weather chouimate |
| 00:08.25 | George- | weatherbot: weather chouimat |
| 00:08.26 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station CHOUIMATE |
| 00:08.26 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station CHOUIMAT |
| 00:11.06 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 00:12.08 | George- | brb |
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| 00:37.22 | dmalloc | hell oh |
| 00:40.14 | Com[Plex] | anyone know of a utility that can open .ar files in windows? |
| 00:43.54 | oGMo | ar? ;) |
| 00:46.11 | chouimat|cooking | oGMo: ar? |
| 00:47.26 | oGMo | arr, ye matey! |
| 00:47.45 | oGMo | actually, i think the point was ar as in "archiver" |
| 00:48.55 | chouimat|cooking | oGMo: ok ... too hungry to think |
| 00:49.58 | dmalloc | arrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 00:54.48 | dmalloc | hrrm is there anything I have to enable so that the packagemanager will satisfy deps automatically when I install from a feed ? |
| 00:55.03 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:55.06 | kergoth | it does. |
| 00:55.17 | kergoth | automatically |
| 00:55.29 | dmalloc | well when I try to install mediaplayer2 from testing it compians abut not bein able to satify mediplaer.codecs |
| 00:55.37 | dmalloc | that is why I ask ;) |
| 00:55.39 | kergoth | then its dependencies are broken. |
| 00:55.41 | kergoth | install libxine1 |
| 00:55.46 | dmalloc | aha |
| 00:55.46 | kergoth | and -force-depends mediaplyer2 in |
| 00:55.51 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:55.53 | dmalloc | thank you |
| 00:55.55 | kergoth | np |
| 00:56.20 | kergoth | this'll take a while |
| 00:56.26 | treke|home | that it will |
| 00:56.32 | treke|home | now sounds like a good time to clean :) |
| 00:56.55 | kergoth | actually, i'm eating |
| 00:57.01 | kergoth | maybe clean later :) |
| 00:58.29 | treke|home | all I have to offer kergoth is a geforce video card |
| 00:58.36 | dmalloc | I'll ask if I can get you an instance on the z800, if you want kergoth ? |
| 01:00.12 | sheenmaster | 1. will zgcc ever work with OZ? |
| 01:00.34 | sheenmaster | 2. is there a fix for kismet? It's giving me that damn can't connect to server error again. |
| 01:01.02 | sheenmaster | 3. any idea when konq will work again? |
| 01:01.06 | kergoth | 1) dont maintain it, no idea |
| 01:01.13 | dmalloc | sheenmaster: did you drop your welan connection before running kismet ? |
| 01:01.16 | kergoth | 2) there'll be a fix when someone fixes it |
| 01:01.54 | kergoth | 3) it already is, just not in rc3.1 |
| 01:02.30 | kergoth | sheenmaster: for 3, remove ',user' from the fstab entry for /var and reboot |
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| 01:03.50 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: I did on my second try |
| 01:03.57 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: I'll try again to make sure after I reboot |
| 01:04.28 | sheenmaster | kergoth: thx for 3 |
| 01:04.31 | kergoth | np |
| 01:05.14 | dmalloc | s |
| 01:05.40 | kergoth | yay, one of the glibc builds made it to make install |
| 01:06.37 | kergoth | ok im gonna go watch a dvd while this is building |
| 01:06.58 | kergoth | i wonder what % of your average programmer's life is wasted in compilation times |
| 01:08.30 | dmalloc | hrmm how do you type an escape in vi in terminal ? |
| 01:08.44 | treke|home | C-V ESC? |
| 01:09.06 | dmalloc | <-- battely with a geran keyboard and sees no esc key on his zaurus keyboard |
| 01:09.18 | treke|home | cancel |
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| 01:12.00 | dmalloc | hrrm no cancel either in a german keyboard hehe *is on a roll now* |
| 01:13.25 | treke|home | no cancel? |
| 01:15.49 | dmalloc | hrrm wait.. |
| 01:15.52 | dmalloc | this works |
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| 01:17.47 | dmalloc | ok the konqi packages definately break things |
| 01:19.59 | sheenmaster | I think remove ,user from /var fucked things up |
| 01:20.21 | sheenmaster | my Z now doesn't connect with my wifi card and freezes when I remove the card |
| 01:20.50 | dmalloc | and for me konqi does not instal but says it installs and thus I cannot uninstall it.. sigh |
| 01:24.19 | dmalloc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.21 | dmalloc | grrr |
| 01:24.45 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: chmod? |
| 01:24.50 | dmalloc | on /tmp |
| 01:24.59 | dmalloc | that must be world wrteable |
| 01:25.17 | dmalloc | and since it works for all othe rpackages soemthing must be bßrked with konqi |
| 01:25.49 | kergoth`bbl | wrong. |
| 01:25.52 | kergoth`bbl | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.57 | kergoth`bbl | var is user, which implies noexec |
| 01:26.03 | kergoth`bbl | which means you cant execute anything from /tmp. |
| 01:26.11 | dmalloc | AHA |
| 01:26.17 | kergoth`bbl | as i told sheenmaster, remove ,user from the fstab entry for /var. |
| 01:26.35 | dmalloc | I thought his fix was meant for runtime ;) |
| 01:26.57 | kergoth`bbl | sheenmaster: there no possible way changing that could cause those behaviors. its coincidental. |
| 01:27.41 | sheenmaster | kergoth`bbl: I've been installing a lot of low-quality software for my feed, a more probable culprit. |
| 01:31.14 | dmalloc | ooh indeed that fixes it |
| 01:31.34 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: did you force dependencies to install? |
| 01:31.56 | dmalloc | nope |
| 01:34.17 | dmalloc | sheenmaster: only thing it does not seem to |
| 01:34.23 | dmalloc | do is add it to my desktop |
| 01:34.23 | dmalloc | ;) |
| 01:35.37 | dmalloc | hahaha heise.de on the zaurus.. fucking ace ;) |
| 01:37.24 | chouimat|afk | ok my cat like 5 peppers sauce |
| 01:38.41 | krezel[laptop] | Sweet! OZ rc3.1 is out |
| 01:43.46 | ljp | yer cat is a freak |
| 01:44.24 | chouimat|afk | ljp: no he's on the stove finish the sauce .... |
| 01:44.51 | ljp | see! freak |
| 01:45.02 | chouimat|afk | and I can hear it purring ... |
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| 01:45.24 | sheenmaster | chouimat|afk: my cat has more control over my dogs than I do |
| 01:45.44 | chouimat|afk | sheenmaster: hehe ... a dominant one |
| 01:46.37 | sheenmaster | chouimat|afk: my dogs will follow my cat around, but my cat just ignores them and the dogs never get closer than two feet from my cat. |
| 01:47.01 | chouimat | hmmm I wonder if I watch that movie |
| 01:47.40 | chouimat | anyone had seen the movie: Shaft? |
| 01:47.59 | krezel[laptop] | The new one or the origional? |
| 01:48.05 | chouimat | new one |
| 01:48.07 | dmalloc | chouimat: yes, but watch the original, the new one is boners |
| 01:48.29 | chouimat | dmalloc: they play the new one on a local station so ... |
| 01:49.24 | chouimat | dmalloc: I prefered the remake of the Time machine over the original one ... |
| 01:49.52 | dmalloc | just like "The Ring" the japanese original is a hell of a lot scarier |
| 01:50.08 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: ringu? |
| 01:51.42 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: "The Ring" wasn't scary, aside from when Sumara came out of the tv. |
| 01:51.54 | sukoshi | dmalloc: right, the american version is pityful |
| 01:52.16 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: it's still a good movie, just not a "horror" movie. |
| 01:52.22 | chouimat | never seen both of them |
| 01:52.26 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: or a commedy like "Evil Dead" |
| 01:52.47 | sukoshi | hey, sheenmaster i am Troma's Entertainment french representant |
| 01:52.49 | dmalloc | sheenmaster: you must be rather dulled then ;) |
| 01:53.01 | dmalloc | so.. anyone know how I actually add data to the opie dictionary ;) |
| 01:53.17 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: Troma Entertainment? |
| 01:53.32 | sukoshi | www.troma.com |
| 01:53.59 | sukoshi | Toxic Avenger, Sergent Kabukiman NYPD, Terror Firmer, ... |
| 01:54.19 | krezel[laptop] | the faces on the dead people in the ring were freaky though |
| 01:55.13 | dmalloc | it is more the thought and the genious why she does not get killed |
| 01:55.20 | krezel[laptop] | Kick ass.. "Bring It On" is on TV |
| 01:55.23 | dmalloc | the story line is actually very good for a horror movie |
| 01:55.29 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: I'm 16. |
| 01:55.38 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: yes |
| 01:55.55 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: but it lacks an "Evil Hand", "Evil Book", or other such features of "Evil Dead" |
| 01:56.07 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: the story does save the movie |
| 01:56.22 | chouimat | mmmmm Army of Darkness |
| 01:56.44 | dmalloc | opie-wellenreiter... sexy ;) |
| 01:57.50 | sheenmaster | chouimat: no, "Evil Dead" |
| 01:58.13 | sheenmaster | chouimat: working title "Book of the Dead" abandoned for fear that the target audiance was mostly illiterate. |
| 01:59.17 | chouimat | brb shower time |
| 02:01.19 | dmalloc | hrrrm I should tune the time out |
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| 02:09.39 | dmalloc | whow wlan sucks a lot of power indeed |
| 02:12.27 | NeoTron | Snails - now with sound. :P |
| 02:12.49 | krezel[laptop] | ? |
| 02:16.04 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/games/snails/ |
| 02:16.06 | NeoTron | just fixed sound |
| 02:16.30 | krezel[laptop] | Ah |
| 02:16.43 | krezel[laptop] | I didnt think that snails (the animals) made that much noise... |
| 02:17.22 | NeoTron | they do when armed with various weapons. :)P |
| 02:17.33 | krezel[laptop] | NeoTron: Nice! Now I found another productivity waster :) |
| 02:18.10 | NeoTron | it's a very good game |
| 02:18.14 | NeoTron | having fun porting it. :P |
| 02:18.18 | krezel[laptop] | NeoTron: You work for Eon? |
| 02:18.23 | NeoTron | now I really just have networking left |
| 02:18.29 | NeoTron | I _AM_ Eon, more or less. :P |
| 02:18.37 | NeoTron | brb in bit |
| 02:19.06 | krezel[laptop] | haha |
| 02:19.09 | krezel[laptop] | awesome |
| 02:45.32 | dmalloc | NUAHAHA |
| 02:45.39 | dmalloc | all work excet mail and that will come |
| 02:55.16 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: you got konq to work? |
| 02:57.40 | dmalloc | sheenmaster: yupp |
| 02:57.47 | dmalloc | konqi.snapshot from stable. |
| 02:57.54 | dmalloc | the user thing in fstab did it |
| 03:01.45 | redfenix | so what is the best open source pda-type set of programs? (address/contact book, scheduler, to do list, etc) |
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| 03:04.50 | dmalloc | qtopia probably ;) |
| 03:05.10 | redfenix | dmalloc: qtopia is open? |
| 03:05.27 | dmalloc | well, kinda ;) |
| 03:05.35 | dmalloc | there are no really free pda sync apps |
| 03:05.53 | dmalloc | but since zaurus opie stuff stores things in xml you can easily write your own stuff |
| 03:06.10 | redfenix | dmalloc: there should be free (open) pda apps. |
| 03:06.27 | redfenix | dmalloc: seriously, they would not be difficult to write. |
| 03:06.52 | dmalloc | good addreessbooks? todo and kalendar? they ar every difficult to design and write imho |
| 03:06.59 | dmalloc | that os why there is so much crap PIM out there |
| 03:07.18 | chouimat|tv | dmalloc: agreed nothing beat datbk5 yet |
| 03:07.35 | redfenix | dmalloc: most have no flow whatsoever. they're difficult to navigate quicly on the pda. |
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| 03:12.55 | treke|home | redfenix: opie |
| 03:13.21 | treke|home | dmalloc: they arent going to be xml all that much longer |
| 03:13.46 | redfenix | actually, I think the c700's apps are not xml. |
| 03:13.48 | darmou | Hi all, does anyone know how to stop the zaurus from stating qpe so I can start x11 intstead? |
| 03:14.00 | treke|home | redfenix: they arent |
| 03:14.12 | treke|home | they are the new qtopia db format |
| 03:14.39 | redfenix | treke|home: lovely. |
| 03:15.43 | dmalloc | treke oh well.. revese engeneering ;) |
| 03:15.54 | chouimat|tv | darmou: because x11 is not on a zaurus |
| 03:16.28 | chouimat|tv | dmalloc: grap qtopia 1.6 |
| 03:16.30 | treke|home | dmalloc: who needs to reverse engineer it... it's all documented |
| 03:16.42 | treke|home | sort of |
| 03:17.06 | darmou | It is if you install it:) |
| 03:19.33 | darmou | I have been having all sorts of problems with the zaurus freezing during reboot or not comming back up from suspend, anyone else had these problems? |
| 03:19.38 | dmalloc | chouimat|tv: does not owrk yet with german.. it breaks my contacts and appointments, probably the umlauts |
| 03:20.07 | chouimat|tv | dmalloc: ok ... |
| 03:20.47 | dmalloc | which reminds me. keyz does not fix the GR key for umaluts |
| 03:20.51 | dmalloc | need to mail the author |
| 03:24.26 | sheenmaster | darmou: there is a tinyx package for OZ |
| 03:24.33 | sheenmaster | http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/ |
| 03:24.41 | sheenmaster | darmou: debian zaurus has xfree86 |
| 03:24.59 | treke|home | tinyx x is xfree86 |
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| 03:42.56 | dmalloc | is there a vnc server for OZ ? |
| 03:52.16 | darmou | thanks, do you need to install the openzaurus rom to run debian? |
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| 04:09.07 | sheenmaster | darmou: debian has its own rom |
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| 05:31.16 | NeoTron | dang |
| 05:31.27 | NeoTron | the stylus for my a300 had the end break off. :( |
| 05:31.39 | treke|home | suckage |
| 05:31.50 | NeoTron | yah |
| 05:32.01 | treke|home | how much longer do you have it? |
| 05:32.09 | NeoTron | treke| |
| 05:32.11 | NeoTron | oops |
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| 06:20.00 | NeoTron | wonder where I can buy replacement A300 styliu |
| 06:30.41 | redfenix | NeoTron: is it anything like a 5500's zaurus? |
| 06:30.50 | redfenix | or C700's (same thing) |
| 06:33.59 | redfenix | NeoTron: or someone else around here said they whittled one out of a bamboo chopstick... ;) |
| 06:35.58 | NeoTron | no |
| 06:35.59 | NeoTron | it's thinner |
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| 06:57.32 | mspencer | I've got a question... whether or not I'd be doing the right thing... |
| 06:58.43 | mspencer | I have a Dynamism-converted C700, and there's a lot of english-speaking people out there who have non-Dynamism C700's. Now obviously, making a backup file and distributing it would be called direct copyright infringement in the US, and I would never do that. |
| 07:00.33 | mspencer | But I wonder whether or not it'd be a bad thing to do, for me to catalog the differences between the Dynamism C700 /home directory and the default /home directory, and share those differences with people in text form. |
| 07:01.34 | mspencer | as simple as saying "these files changed", or as complex as describing binary patches as "at this address in this executable the Japanese phrase that means 'Synchronize', so put in a suitable english phrase there, padded with nulls out to such-and-such length." |
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| 07:04.02 | mspencer | well, I've got a text file with md5 sums of all the files in the default C700 rom -- I just now restored from backup to add back the Dynamism updates, and am about to start taking md5 sums of only the files that are also present in the default image. |
| 07:04.12 | mspencer | ack, brb... |
| 07:06.51 | mspencer | back |
| 07:09.41 | NeoTron | oh holy hell |
| 07:10.04 | mspencer | actually, now that I think about it, this whole topic is kinda asking for a debate. Not smart of me...I mean, copyright infringement is a crime, interference with a business model isn't a crime, but other than that opinions are divided. I shouldn't troll... |
| 07:12.29 | mspencer | kinda sucks to have the old handwriting applet back. The CRIM was spoiling me -- extremely smart, accurate handwriting recognition, both in English and Japanese. |
| 07:13.18 | mspencer | Basically it had three boxes. You signal the applet that you're starting a new character by switching boxes. You just go box 1, box 2, box 3, box 1, box 2, etc...without needing to stop for anything. |
| 07:13.31 | gaurdian | well, what you want to do isnt illegal, but...if it were my business you were messing with......I would find something illegal about it |
| 07:14.10 | mspencer | And now I see why there were articles several years old, talking about how the Zaurus (pre-linux) was a market leader because of the excellent kanji recognition. |
| 07:14.43 | mspencer | I only know about 60 kanji, but it recognized them all pretty accurately (unless I made stupid mistakes) -- it wasn't nitpicky about forgetting to put hooks on the strokes or whatever. |
| 07:15.30 | gaurdian | cool |
| 07:15.42 | mspencer | so with that three boxes method, I found myself writing flat-out full speed. It kicked ass. :) |
| 07:15.49 | gaurdian | nice |
| 07:16.11 | gaurdian | I can actually use the keyboard on the 5500 fairly fast |
| 07:16.13 | mspencer | We need something like that for english hwr -- much bigger recognition area, maybe like 15 boxes wide for landscape, 10 boxes wide for portrait... |
| 07:16.43 | mspencer | none of this grade school ledger paper crap ^__^ |
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| 07:21.43 | frankps | morning |
| 07:22.27 | warmi | if you say so |
| 07:22.28 | warmi | hehe |
| 07:22.38 | frankps | hi warmi |
| 07:22.42 | warmi | hi |
| 07:22.55 | frankps | good morning then :-) |
| 07:22.59 | warmi | it is actually 1.25 am here ... |
| 07:23.00 | warmi | heh |
| 07:23.08 | frankps | just got out of bed |
| 07:23.19 | warmi | UK ? |
| 07:23.20 | frankps | not even got my first coffee cup |
| 07:23.24 | frankps | Norrway |
| 07:23.27 | frankps | Norway |
| 07:23.27 | warmi | ah ok |
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| 07:24.22 | warmi | perhaps you should get that coffee going .. |
| 07:24.22 | hypermush | can you increase the heapsize in quake on the z? |
| 07:24.33 | warmi | mornigs without a coffe are ... uh .. |
| 07:24.39 | frankps | on my way... . |
| 07:29.03 | NeoTron | ahaha |
| 07:29.04 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 07:39.38 | mspencer | damn bookmark files -- the md5sum script got tripped up by a stray quote in one of the filenames ^__^ |
| 07:45.05 | NeoTron | ack |
| 07:45.18 | NeoTron | I need to do HTTP communication to do the multiplayer in SNails |
| 07:45.27 | NeoTron | the "meta server" is the webserver. :P |
| 07:54.32 | NeoTron | ah well, in QT that should be quite easy |
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| 08:06.52 | NeoTron | oh fucking hell |
| 08:06.59 | NeoTron | they don't have it in qtopai it seems |
| 08:07.16 | NeoTron | figures |
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| 08:15.31 | NeoTron | hrm |
| 08:15.36 | NeoTron | guess I'll use libcurl |
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| 08:52.14 | NeoTron | whoha |
| 08:52.16 | NeoTron | :P |
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| 09:08.57 | sukoshi | hi |
| 09:09.27 | mspencer | hey sukoshi -- I got to try out the c700 kanji hwr for the first time! I'm impressed! |
| 09:11.30 | mspencer | ...and nobody cares. yay me! ^__^ |
| 09:15.02 | nerdboy | cool |
| 09:21.40 | sukoshi | mspencer: it's the same on my b500 |
| 09:22.29 | sukoshi | mspencer: but as i'm leaving France to Japan tomorrow, i'll check on the C700 i'll buy ;) |
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| 09:37.50 | mspencer | cool :) |
| 09:38.05 | mspencer | Ah, so you know about that hwr -- I had never seen it before, and thought it was pretty cool. Lots of interesting ideas... |
| 09:38.33 | mspencer | I mean, roman letters aren't as complex as some of the ji out there, but...I like the idea of having little boxes, and telling the system you're finished with one ji and starting the next by switching boxes :) |
| 09:42.21 | mspencer | I wonder what "export RES_OPTIONS=insecure1" does -- that's set in qpe.conf in the Sharp default but not in the Dynamism...hmm... |
| 09:42.37 | mspencer | erm qpe.sh... |
| 09:42.54 | sukoshi | you mean? |
| 09:43.01 | sukoshi | i think i misunderstood |
| 09:43.12 | sukoshi | what's hwr for you? |
| 09:43.19 | mspencer | handwriting recognition :) |
| 09:43.27 | sukoshi | ok that's it |
| 09:43.28 | mspencer | the RES_OPTIONS thing was unrelated :) |
| 09:43.36 | sukoshi | please explain |
| 09:44.01 | mspencer | I'm comparing the /home backups from the Dynamism C700 and from the Sharp reset-to-defaults versions, and am making notes. :) |
| 09:44.16 | sukoshi | what does RES_OPTIONS does? |
| 09:44.21 | mspencer | no idea :) |
| 09:44.31 | mspencer | but it apparently can be insecure or something :) |
| 09:45.43 | sukoshi | in 24h, i'll be in the airplane :) |
| 09:45.53 | mspencer | cool :) |
| 09:46.09 | sukoshi | 11h45AM |
| 09:46.17 | mspencer | kaeru n desu ka? |
| 09:46.43 | sukoshi | i've found very cheap c700 on yahoo auction japan |
| 09:46.49 | mspencer | ooh, cool :) |
| 09:46.58 | sukoshi | i wish i'll be able to buy mine on auction |
| 09:51.32 | darmou | I bought my 5500 on ebay |
| 09:51.58 | mspencer | Are you going to need to convert yours to English? |
| 09:52.22 | mspencer | Once I find a way to help people convert theirs without violating any laws, I'm there ^__^ |
| 09:53.34 | mspencer | but for the life of me, I can't figure out how they managed to fix HancomOffice without editing any binaries! |
| 09:57.15 | mspencer | hmm...that HancomMobileWord.conf in home/zaurus/Settings/ looks like it's the reason, but it doesn't even exist on the Sharp version, and none of the dynamism-version settings mention anything about language! |
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| 10:09.55 | minipanda | hi! experts here! "arm-linux-gcc -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/mnt/fw1000/zaurus/kernel/linux/include -mapcs-32 -march=armv4 -mno-fpu -c -o entry-armv.o entry-armv.S entry-armv.S: Assembler messages: entry-armv.S:899: Error: Internal_relocation (type 210) not fixed up (OFFSET_IMM) entry-armv.S:901: Error: Internal_relocation (type 208) not fixed up (IMMEDIATE) " |
| 10:10.16 | mark | sukoshi: wow, those are cheap |
| 10:10.33 | mark | sukoshi: but they wont ship internationally? |
| 10:10.39 | minipanda | what cause the errors? terke? any help? |
| 10:12.32 | Twiun | minipanda: which gcc are you using? |
| 10:13.55 | minipanda | en: "Reading specs from /opt/Embedix/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/specs gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release) " |
| 10:14.44 | Twiun | the embedix gcc is known to be buggy |
| 10:15.16 | minipanda | :-( but "http://docs.zaurus.com/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml" told me use that! |
| 10:15.27 | Twiun | some docs need updating, that's all |
| 10:15.30 | minipanda | so can you give me an url can get an useful gcc? |
| 10:15.35 | Twiun | yes, one sec |
| 10:16.14 | minipanda | but that page is "ast updated: Tuesday, 04-Feb-2003 10:47:04 PST " |
| 10:16.15 | darmou | does anyone know if the j2me released from sun works with the SL-5500? |
| 10:17.42 | Twiun | darmou: yes it does, but their ipk is buggy last I checked, you may need to install it manually |
| 10:18.16 | Twiun | minipanda: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ get the 2.95.3 tarball |
| 10:18.29 | minipanda | is that sl550 have been included an blueteeth adapter? (my zaurus is still on the way, but i wanna buld an kernel fist) |
| 10:18.45 | Twiun | minipanda: extract under /usr/local/arm and change any paths accordingly |
| 10:19.10 | sukoshi | mark : no international shipping |
| 10:19.19 | Twiun | minipanda: I doubt the 5500 comes bundled with a bt CF card |
| 10:19.37 | sukoshi | mspencer: no i don't need my next coming xc700 to be translated |
| 10:21.12 | darmou | Great thanks Twiun I'll see if I can find the binary without the ipk format |
| 10:21.34 | Twiun | darmou: the ipk format is easy to extract... and their j2me isn't a static build |
| 10:21.45 | Twiun | darmou: so better work from the ipk |
| 10:21.59 | minipanda | Twiun:ok! i'll try! but right now my mozilla crashed again and again :-( |
| 10:22.32 | Twiun | minipanda: yeah, mine keeps doing that too since I installed the adobe svg plugin |
| 10:24.17 | NeoTron | on networking to b eexact |
| 10:24.44 | darmou | One of the problems I have found is that sometimes the zaurus refuses to wake from suspend, the only solution i have found is to backup, hard reset and restore |
| 10:25.28 | Twiun | darmou: not even a soft reset works? |
| 10:26.37 | minipanda | Twiun: but maybe my mozilla is damaged after flash plugin :-) |
| 10:26.57 | darmou | A soft reset will allow a reboot of the machine but then the same problem occurs again, That is the reason why I can back up first. The only way to solve the problem is what I described |
| 10:27.49 | Twiun | what ROM image are you using? |
| 10:27.56 | darmou | Just wondered if anyone else had the same problem. I am using the standard SHARP rom |
| 10:28.05 | Twiun | what version? |
| 10:28.37 | darmou | Ver 2.39 |
| 10:28.51 | darmou | Is there a later version? |
| 10:29.01 | Twiun | no, I think that's the latest sharp one |
| 10:29.56 | darmou | I thought so, I would like to use the debian rom or the openzaurus rom but would like to use theKompany apps |
| 10:30.41 | darmou | Is there a way to use windows to update the rom without a CF card? |
| 10:33.10 | Twiun | only if using the sharp rom I believe, the software should be on the sharp website somewhere |
| 10:33.22 | Twiun | and I have no problems using tkc apps on OZ |
| 10:34.05 | Twiun | I have the editor, gallery, painter and video player installed and running without problem |
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| 10:34.48 | darmou | Twiun cool ok well i might get a card when I can afford one and update, thanks for your help |
| 10:35.13 | minipanda | Twiun: please give me that url again! my whole KDM crashed |
| 10:35.48 | Twiun | <Twiun> minipanda: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ get the 2.95.3 tarball |
| 10:35.51 | Twiun | there you go |
| 10:35.55 | Twiun | darmou: np |
| 10:35.56 | darmou | I bought Dr Z. Video player but I think that the Kompany one might be better sigh |
| 10:36.41 | Twiun | darmou: you can also try the OZ mplayer and opieplayer |
| 10:37.39 | darmou | does the sun java work ok on the OZ rom? |
| 10:37.53 | Twiun | the j2me? sure. |
| 10:38.04 | Twiun | I'm working on an additional jvm for oz too |
| 10:38.39 | darmou | Great that's a relief, kaffe does not look like a complete implementation to me |
| 10:39.08 | Twiun | kaffe an almost complete 1.1 implementation... what do you require? |
| 10:39.23 | Twiun | s/kaffe an/kaffe is an/ |
| 10:39.50 | darmou | Oh it't just I was scanning though the classes, and I noticed that a few things were unimplemented |
| 10:40.19 | darmou | So nothing in particular, was just unsure how complete it was |
| 10:40.31 | Twiun | which ones? (out of curiousity, I'm not using Kaffe as a base :) |
| 10:44.29 | darmou | I can't find the api info but this is what they said on the frount page "Kaffe is not the best Java virtual machine for developing Java applications, as it lacks much in the way of documentation, compatibility, debugging/profiling support" |
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| 10:44.40 | George- | HI |
| 10:44.42 | George- | er.. Hi |
| 10:44.55 | darmou | hi George |
| 10:45.03 | Twiun | darmou: lol, that's a good quote actually :) |
| 10:45.10 | Twiun | hey George- |
| 10:45.27 | Twiun | darmou: there's a page that compares compatibility at the API level, one sec |
| 10:45.43 | Twiun | darmou: http://rainbow.netreach.net/~sballard/japi/ |
| 10:46.16 | George- | Twiun: any idea why debian doesn't like me to boot up to kernel 2.4.20 (kernel panic on bootup) |
| 10:46.24 | George- | Twiun: Works with the stock 2.2.20 |
| 10:46.27 | darmou | Great you found the page I was trying to find for you |
| 10:46.35 | Twiun | darmou: hehe |
| 10:46.48 | Twiun | darmou: I'm working with the Wonka JVM fyi |
| 10:47.02 | Twiun | darmou: writing a set of Qt/Embedded peers |
| 10:47.13 | darmou | Yep I was going to point out Wonka, looks good |
| 10:47.15 | George- | Twiun: now now, don't show off ;) |
| 10:47.16 | Twiun | George-: err... no idea, best ask in #linux or somewhere else |
| 10:47.30 | George- | Twiun: hrmm, ok |
| 10:47.34 | Twiun | darmou: http://adorphuye.com/~twiun |
| 10:47.39 | George- | I'll ask in #Debian *gasp* |
| 10:47.43 | Twiun | darmou: but those bindings are very much a work in progress |
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| 10:52.59 | darmou | Does anyone know if there is a cisco vpn client for the zaurus. I know there is a freeS/WAN package avaliable but don't know if this will work with the cisco vpn |
| 10:54.20 | Twiun | no idea I'm afraid |
| 11:36.14 | Titeuf | hi |
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| 13:23.04 | sheenmaster | ibot: Twiun |
| 13:23.05 | | well, twiun is Steph Meslin-Weber, the guy working on the Wonka JVM. He needs a job! CV at http://adorphuye.com/cv or email him at twiun@adorphuye.com |
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| 13:50.12 | sheenmaster | Twiun[away]: guess what? FlameCalc 00.10.03 works with wonka and not Jeode! |
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| 13:50.30 | sheenmaster | Twiun[away]: the jar at least |
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| 14:20.52 | dmalloc | EHLO |
| 14:24.16 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: this is IRC, not SMTP |
| 14:26.21 | dmalloc | STARTTLS :P |
| 14:27.01 | Wintre | Mmmmm crypto |
| 14:27.13 | dmalloc | nuaaha a guig worth of porn |
| 14:28.55 | dmalloc | what the heck are .par files ?` |
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| 14:34.57 | dmalloc | aha.. |
| 14:43.24 | noidd | seen marna |
| 14:43.36 | noidd | oops, whong channel :-) |
| 14:52.59 | Com[Plex] | dmalloc |
| 14:53.11 | dmalloc | yes |
| 14:53.12 | Com[Plex] | .par files are like .rar files, only, they are magic |
| 14:53.17 | Com[Plex] | let me explain. |
| 14:53.32 | dmalloc | checksum files huh? |
| 14:54.35 | Com[Plex] | say you have a ISO of a dvd, its 700 megs, like 57 .rar files. and the person who packed em made 3 par files, you could download this, and be missing up to 3 rars, ANY three rars, and if you have the pars, you wont need those rars |
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| 14:56.06 | Com[Plex] | great for newsgroups. - ie, say 20 people download this thing, and three of those people are missing a rar. and one is missing two, - none of the same rars mind you. you dont ahve to re upload those rars at all. all you need to upload is 2 pars. |
| 14:56.22 | Com[Plex] | its magic. I swear. |
| 14:56.22 | dmalloc | neat |
| 14:56.46 | dmalloc | anmd how do you put them together again? I mean the rara stuff you unrar, but the par which replaces a missing rar ? |
| 14:58.18 | Com[Plex] | winpar? hehe |
| 14:58.23 | Com[Plex] | hang on, let me check |
| 14:58.59 | dmalloc | nnno on freebsd or linuks ;) |
| 14:59.06 | Com[Plex] | http://www.slyck.com/newsgroups7.html |
| 14:59.13 | Com[Plex] | im sure there is one for that |
| 15:00.48 | dmalloc | thanks a buncho |
| 15:01.20 | dmalloc | btw, iti s not magic, simple math. THe square sum of the parity bits is less than the whole that is why you can stuff all the parity into a single file for any given data set |
| 15:01.24 | dmalloc | good idea though |
| 15:01.59 | Com[Plex] | yeah yeah |
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| 15:31.38 | Titeuf | @tt |
| 15:41.46 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:00.41 | Com[Plex] | can anyone in here speak german? I got a word babelfish cant translate. and its bugging me. |
| 16:00.42 | Com[Plex] | "leichenschmaus" |
| 16:01.17 | Com[Plex] | I tbhink it means death place or something like that, graveyard.. but hell, it could mean vgetarian for all I know. |
| 16:01.56 | sheenmaster | Com[Plex]: it means windows; the nutrition of a graveyard |
| 16:02.05 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 16:02.19 | Com[Plex] | windows;? |
| 16:02.25 | sheenmaster | Com[Plex]: that was a joke |
| 16:03.02 | Com[Plex] | I get it. |
| 16:03.05 | Com[Plex] | thanks. |
| 16:04.18 | sheenmaster | Com[Plex]: np |
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| 16:44.14 | sheenmaster | can anyone help me configure my ipk? |
| 16:44.51 | sheenmaster | it installs everything to the right directories, and I can run my app from the konsole, but it doesn't appear in the Opie tab that it should |
| 16:46.12 | mpeg4codec | is it appearing in the wrong opie tab or not appearing at all? |
| 16:52.03 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: not at all |
| 16:52.54 | mpeg4codec | i had that problem before and it turned out that it was in the ``ipk settings'' of apkg |
| 16:53.02 | mpeg4codec | unfortunately my ram just got wiped out... |
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| 16:54.23 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: have you tried rebooting or restarting opie just for the heck of it? |
| 16:54.35 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: yes |
| 16:54.50 | sheenmaster | http://ibook.frob.us/~sheenmaster/FlameCalc/zaurus/ |
| 16:54.55 | sheenmaster | take a look at the files |
| 16:55.11 | sheenmaster | the applet ittself is a stand-in until I can dust off the AWT version of my frontend |
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| 16:55.19 | sheenmaster | http://calc.frob.us/ |
| 16:55.24 | sheenmaster | it will be like that |
| 16:55.36 | mpeg4codec | oh i see what you're saying |
| 16:55.50 | mpeg4codec | i don't have any experience in building ipk's |
| 16:56.38 | mpeg4codec | you may have to have data.tar.gz extract a link into somewhere in /opt/QtPalmtop |
| 16:58.05 | sheenmaster | data.tar.gz is extracted to the install directory |
| 16:58.11 | sheenmaster | /mnt/card in my case |
| 16:58.28 | sheenmaster | and I jumped through hoops to get evm to work with it |
| 16:58.51 | ljp | did those hoops have fire on them? ;) |
| 16:59.21 | sheenmaster | ljp: yes |
| 16:59.27 | sheenmaster | ljp: off-brand java fire! |
| 17:00.30 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: sorry, i guess i can't really help, i haven't much delved into make_ipkg.sh |
| 17:00.56 | sheenmaster | d'oh, I got it |
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| 17:03.49 | mpeg4codec | this may seem like an odd question, but has anyone toyed with the idea of running packet radio [non-gprs] on the zaurus [open or commercial]? |
| 17:04.07 | mpeg4codec | is it even possible with the current kernel? |
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| 17:05.55 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: isn't packet radio accessed through rs232? |
| 17:06.09 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: are you talking ham packet radio? |
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| 17:06.53 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: yes, ham packet radio; i figured i could probably find a DB-9 adapter for the I/O port or maybe CF |
| 17:07.27 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: I'd go with i/o port. |
| 17:07.42 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: I build an rs232 cradle out of my first usb one. |
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| 17:08.10 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: i think they sell serial cradles; i could just use a female-to-male adapter if necessary |
| 17:08.26 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: but my current concerns are if its available in the current kernel or kernel source |
| 17:08.44 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: packet radio wouldn't need to be part of the kernel |
| 17:08.57 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: I believe rs232 is part of the kernel, right kergoth? |
| 17:09.04 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: what about ax-25, though? |
| 17:09.29 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: ax-25? |
| 17:09.49 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: that's the common method of transferring the packets over packet radio |
| 17:10.03 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: specifically, tunneling of IP packets usually requires use of ax-25 |
| 17:11.16 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: you can use that shit for networking!? |
| 17:11.36 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: 1200 baud is a little slow, but yes, you can ;) |
| 17:12.07 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: you can use up to 19.4 kilobaud on 2-meter band, but the equipment gets really expensive |
| 17:12.24 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: 1. could I do it with a portable rig? |
| 17:12.52 | mpeg4codec | mpeg4codec: most TNC's are battery operated, so all you need is a portable radio and a portable computer |
| 17:13.01 | mpeg4codec | eh whoops |
| 17:13.02 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: 2. would it work inside of a double-wide trailor (my 3rd period classroom) |
| 17:13.05 | mpeg4codec | not to me, to sheenmaster |
| 17:13.39 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: if you can get a line of sight or a powerful transmitter, yes |
| 17:13.50 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: 3. what would the range be? |
| 17:14.08 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: depending on the fequency you use, it can be rather long and rather short |
| 17:14.27 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: a lot of activity happens on the 2-meter band, which requires a line-of-sight but can work well over 20-30 miles |
| 17:14.57 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: if you have an amateur-extra license i think you can use it on the hf bands which can technically make it around the world |
| 17:15.25 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: 20 miles would be more than enough |
| 17:15.32 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: although line-of-site could be a problem |
| 17:15.39 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: just keep in mind, it would all be at 1200 baud |
| 17:15.44 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: could I setup a repeater or something? |
| 17:15.48 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: 9600 if you're lucky, 19.2 if you're rich |
| 17:15.58 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: yeah, actually, i was thinking about doing that |
| 17:16.17 | sheenmaster | hmm |
| 17:16.18 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: i live on the other side of a hill from my school, so i was thinking about bribing someone to let me put it on top of their house |
| 17:16.32 | sheenmaster | I was thinking about blackmailing my principal. |
| 17:16.45 | mpeg4codec | haha |
| 17:16.47 | sheenmaster | to put one on the roof |
| 17:16.52 | sheenmaster | and pay for it |
| 17:17.03 | mpeg4codec | that's an idea |
| 17:17.10 | mpeg4codec | get the school to put a transmitter on the roof |
| 17:17.15 | mpeg4codec | set up a ``base station'' in there |
| 17:17.25 | mpeg4codec | and set up a wireless network with the base station as a gateway |
| 17:17.43 | sheenmaster | My school blew $2.7 million redesigning my graduating class's ring, a class of only 500 students; they can afford to pay for a repeaters. |
| 17:17.46 | sheenmaster | repeater* |
| 17:18.01 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: my school has wifi |
| 17:18.18 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: but my Z is "just out of range" |
| 17:18.24 | mpeg4codec | my school has a cheap-ass wired network |
| 17:18.43 | sheenmaster | my school has that too |
| 17:18.48 | mpeg4codec | they can't figure out why the last buildings in the school don't get a signal when they've already put 5 signal repeaters on the line |
| 17:19.07 | mpeg4codec | fibre backbone would be cheaper anyway, but no, they have to do it the cat5 way |
| 17:19.18 | sheenmaster | hehe, my school ran 120vac over the ethernet lines |
| 17:19.36 | mpeg4codec | i don't think my school would want to put a wireless network in |
| 17:19.47 | sheenmaster | have you checked to see if they already have? |
| 17:19.52 | mpeg4codec | #1 maybe 5 people have handheld devices in the school |
| 17:20.12 | mpeg4codec | and #2 they have enough problems with highschool students fux0ring with their wired network |
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| 17:21.17 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: hehe, I'm not allowed to touch any computer on campus |
| 17:21.42 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: I'm the only one with a wireless device |
| 17:21.53 | mpeg4codec | i'm not either |
| 17:22.03 | mpeg4codec | i scared the computer administrators |
| 17:22.10 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: we have 6 or so wifi laptops that are used maybe once a semester |
| 17:22.33 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: what'd you do? |
| 17:22.36 | mpeg4codec | the teachers with laptops have come to cope with the fact that public schools are too cheap to pay for access points |
| 17:22.49 | mpeg4codec | /ecr-filesvr/lockers |
| 17:22.53 | mpeg4codec | i told them about that |
| 17:22.56 | mpeg4codec | ah, damn irc |
| 17:23.02 | mpeg4codec | \\ecr-filesvr\lockers |
| 17:23.03 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: the laptops are for students to use, but not for tests and not during class and not outside of class |
| 17:23.16 | mpeg4codec | so basically, labs and that's it? |
| 17:23.18 | sheenmaster | locker codes? |
| 17:23.28 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: what labs? |
| 17:23.32 | mpeg4codec | yes, the combos were in an encrypted excel file |
| 17:23.41 | mpeg4codec | but the password was cracked easily |
| 17:23.53 | mpeg4codec | what do you use the laptops for if you can't use them in or out of class? |
| 17:24.05 | sheenmaster | exactly |
| 17:24.11 | mpeg4codec | haha |
| 17:24.18 | sheenmaster | They are used for studying for web-tests. |
| 17:24.38 | mpeg4codec | every room in my school has at least 2 computers in it |
| 17:24.38 | sheenmaster | I packet-sniff to get the answers, then print them to the principal's printer when I'm bored. |
| 17:24.50 | mpeg4codec | i should have thought of something that classy |
| 17:24.57 | sheenmaster | every room in my school has a winshit printserver with no password |
| 17:25.03 | mpeg4codec | same here |
| 17:25.09 | mpeg4codec | i've printed things to my old teacher's printers |
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| 17:25.21 | tboc | hi |
| 17:25.28 | mpeg4codec | hey tboc |
| 17:25.51 | mpeg4codec | every printer in the school is on \\ecr-dc2\printers |
| 17:26.12 | mpeg4codec | i got kicked off last year for pulling a ``net send * .....'' prank |
| 17:26.27 | mpeg4codec | my friend did it, but i got the blame because ``i wrote the nefarious programme'' |
| 17:26.32 | mpeg4codec | which was a one-line batch file |
| 17:26.35 | tboc | i try to use hotplug with debian and i always get "... no modules for USB product 4dd/8004/0" in /syslog - although there's a line in modules.usbmap for usbdnet ... what's wrong? |
| 17:26.52 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: lol, I wrote a one line batch file that removed the student security software and posted it to a censorship-free student news site I made. |
| 17:26.55 | mpeg4codec | tboc: what kernel are you using? |
| 17:27.01 | tboc | mpeg4codec: 2.4.20-wolk |
| 17:27.12 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: some idiot printed my site to the principals printer using a vb app I wrote in first period last semester. |
| 17:27.18 | mpeg4codec | tboc: usbdnet isn't compiled into any stock debian kernels |
| 17:27.33 | tboc | mpeg4codec: right - that's why i applied the patch :) |
| 17:27.34 | mpeg4codec | tboc: get 2.4.20 and patch it to pre4 |
| 17:27.43 | mpeg4codec | it was successful? |
| 17:27.44 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: the kicker? I was suspended not for writing the app but for discovering a teacher/student affair. |
| 17:27.49 | tboc | mpeg4codec: it works |
| 17:27.52 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: not bad |
| 17:27.56 | tboc | mpeg4codec: just hotplug won't |
| 17:28.06 | mpeg4codec | tboc: i had my run-ins with hotplug on debian |
| 17:28.15 | mpeg4codec | tboc: did you compile usbdnet as a module or static code? |
| 17:28.23 | tboc | module |
| 17:28.47 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: my evil-of-all-evil deeds was just making a programme that bypassed all they system filters and let me shell out to my linux server |
| 17:28.49 | tboc | the howto said i should set the class to "2" |
| 17:29.14 | mpeg4codec | tboc: i have no idea how i did it, but i remember installing every usb programme i could find on packages.debian.org |
| 17:29.16 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: lol, I did that daily |
| 17:29.20 | tboc | mpeg4codec: *g* |
| 17:29.34 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: i only managed to do it twice before they busted me |
| 17:29.39 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: I sold the router ip address for $10/pop |
| 17:29.44 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: made over $200 |
| 17:29.50 | mpeg4codec | ``what the hell is all this data tunneled through the 443 port to lacklustre.net?'' |
| 17:30.02 | mpeg4codec | router at my school: 172.20.0.1 |
| 17:30.58 | sheenmaster | 10.0.1.0 |
| 17:31.11 | sheenmaster | they had it under dhcp for a day, and I remembered to write it down |
| 17:31.12 | mpeg4codec | how can those dumbasses not know? |
| 17:31.23 | sheenmaster | they are dumbasses |
| 17:31.38 | mpeg4codec | every last computer at my school is static |
| 17:31.42 | sheenmaster | I offered to switch the entire school over to Linux for free, but they are dumbasses. |
| 17:31.56 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: wanna hear something funnier? |
| 17:32.00 | mpeg4codec | sure |
| 17:32.08 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: the school's website is on MY dns server on MY domain |
| 17:32.21 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: ergo, I can switch to a local copy and make a snow day |
| 17:32.31 | mpeg4codec | i wouldn't have even thought of that |
| 17:32.42 | mpeg4codec | maybe because i live in sunny so-cal... ;) |
| 17:32.54 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: http://jchs.frob.us/ |
| 17:33.21 | sheenmaster | the local tv station uses that url to tell if there is a snow day |
| 17:33.25 | mpeg4codec | yeah, my school has a ``state government issued'' addy |
| 17:33.43 | sheenmaster | http://frob.us/ is my domain |
| 17:33.57 | mpeg4codec | saving that little trick for the day your semester project is due, eh? |
| 17:33.58 | sheenmaster | before that they just had an ip address |
| 17:34.06 | sheenmaster | lol |
| 17:34.11 | sheenmaster | junior prank |
| 17:35.34 | sheenmaster | hehe, I've changed records for fun |
| 17:35.51 | sheenmaster | changed "Physical Science" to "Gym" so I don't have to take the latter |
| 17:35.59 | mpeg4codec | i thought about changing the locker records, but i realised that i could hold them for blackmail with that |
| 17:36.10 | sheenmaster | lol, good idea |
| 17:36.13 | mpeg4codec | ah, reminds me of the movie WarGames |
| 17:36.31 | mpeg4codec | i don't just have the current combos, which can be changed |
| 17:36.36 | mpeg4codec | i have every last combo for the lockers |
| 17:36.41 | mpeg4codec | which were put in over last summer |
| 17:36.55 | sheenmaster | my school allows padlocks |
| 17:36.59 | sheenmaster | and they don't know any of my numbers |
| 17:37.11 | mpeg4codec | mine might have to allow padlocks if the ``upset me'' |
| 17:37.25 | sheenmaster | (1042, 2042, 3042, 4042, 5042) |
| 17:37.39 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: change the file! |
| 17:37.58 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: do you have a server of your own? |
| 17:38.01 | mpeg4codec | all i would do is make a bunch of peoples' lockers ``change combo'' |
| 17:38.04 | mpeg4codec | yeah |
| 17:38.17 | sheenmaster | k, I was gonna offer you free hosting if you didn't |
| 17:38.35 | mpeg4codec | haha thanks much, but i'm fine on my 1500/128 k ADSL |
| 17:38.42 | mpeg4codec | i just wish i had a static IP |
| 17:38.51 | sheenmaster | lol, PPPoE sucks ass |
| 17:38.59 | mpeg4codec | 8 can seriously live with the 8 kb/sec upstream |
| 17:39.20 | mpeg4codec | what type of connection do you have? |
| 17:39.29 | sheenmaster | I had a recent power outage, and kept my ip for 6 hours. |
| 17:39.44 | sheenmaster | cable, 1024/256 |
| 17:39.52 | mpeg4codec | out of some will of God, i had my IP for over 7 days |
| 17:39.55 | mpeg4codec | i couldn't believe it |
| 17:40.03 | sheenmaster | although some jackass is always downloading the mp3 collection he archived to my box |
| 17:40.13 | mpeg4codec | are you using apache? |
| 17:40.15 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: seven days disconnected!? |
| 17:40.21 | mpeg4codec | 7 days connected |
| 17:40.24 | sheenmaster | oh |
| 17:40.25 | sheenmaster | lol |
| 17:40.46 | mpeg4codec | if you're using apache, look into mod_throttle |
| 17:40.51 | sheenmaster | so your ip address can be changed even while you're online? |
| 17:41.05 | sheenmaster | they use ftp or sftp to download music |
| 17:41.08 | mpeg4codec | sort of, it disconnects randomly for a period of about 30 seconds |
| 17:41.21 | mpeg4codec | that sucks |
| 17:41.32 | sheenmaster | it's not that big of a deal |
| 17:41.33 | mpeg4codec | you can even limit ftp, but sftp is a problem |
| 17:41.51 | sheenmaster | at least that haven't discovered my jukebox server's ip.... |
| 17:42.27 | mpeg4codec | i had icecast running here for a hwile, but 128k is a little narrow for anything other than web serving and shell serving |
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| 17:43.19 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: I had a user that loved KDE, but was stuck in winshit. His solution was vnc to my server! |
| 17:43.40 | mpeg4codec | i had to jump through a few hoops to tunnel VNC in, but i did it |
| 17:43.51 | mpeg4codec | tunnel it into my school, that is |
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| 17:44.37 | mpeg4codec | i'm trying to get a few people interested in my server, but nobody really wants to have ``unlimited web space'' it seems |
| 17:44.46 | mpeg4codec | dumbasses all of them |
| 17:44.59 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: "unlimited iso download mirror space"? |
| 17:45.02 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: :) |
| 17:45.23 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: i doubt more than 10 people who go to my school know what iso files even are |
| 17:45.48 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: with the exception of the ``1337 w4r3z pupp13z'' who use kaaza |
| 17:46.07 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: I bet I'm the only one, faculty and janitors included, in my school who knows how to cd in a unix shell. |
| 17:46.24 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: probably the only one who knows how to in DOS as well |
| 17:46.28 | mpeg4codec | i taught my friend how, but he's extremely incompetent |
| 17:46.40 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: yes, but lusers are fun to mess with |
| 17:46.44 | mpeg4codec | people used to gather around me when i opened up a DOS prompt |
| 17:46.54 | mpeg4codec | they said ``oh look! he's hacking!'' |
| 17:46.58 | sheenmaster | lol |
| 17:46.59 | sheenmaster | same here |
| 17:47.07 | mpeg4codec | i said ``it's just DOS...i prefer it to winblows'' |
| 17:47.43 | mpeg4codec | now back to the zaurus ;) |
| 17:47.49 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: do you do any programming? |
| 17:47.59 | mpeg4codec | alas, i'm a perl ``scripter'' |
| 17:48.01 | mpeg4codec | that's it |
| 17:48.04 | mpeg4codec | no C or anything |
| 17:48.07 | mpeg4codec | a little ASM |
| 17:48.42 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: ASM is useless, unless it's z80 or mc68k for calculators. |
| 17:48.54 | mpeg4codec | actually it is z80 and a little x86 |
| 17:49.16 | mpeg4codec | i've made my friends' TI-83s scare them |
| 17:49.26 | mpeg4codec | ``wait...2+2=5...what the hell?'' |
| 17:49.32 | mpeg4codec | i told them ``read 1984'' |
| 17:49.33 | sheenmaster | lo |
| 17:49.34 | sheenmaster | l |
| 17:50.01 | sheenmaster | did they reply with "That wasn't assigned!"? |
| 17:50.20 | mpeg4codec | actually, they said ``is that a movie?'' |
| 17:50.21 | sheenmaster | Orwell was a fuckin prophet, with minor use of hyperbole. |
| 17:50.25 | mpeg4codec | even though i said READ it |
| 17:51.44 | mpeg4codec | i guess i'll cross-compile a custom kernel with ax-25 |
| 17:51.57 | mpeg4codec | cross-compile ax25tools |
| 17:52.06 | mpeg4codec | or just use debian arm's ax25tools |
| 17:52.16 | mpeg4codec | i just down't want to lug around my ghetto laptop |
| 17:53.27 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: I bought an apple iBook |
| 17:53.38 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: it kicks ass |
| 17:53.42 | mpeg4codec | i have an IBM Thinkpad 365XD |
| 17:53.45 | mpeg4codec | it sucks ass |
| 17:54.05 | hardwire | I have a 600E! |
| 17:54.15 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: I have an 80286 compaq laptop with 20mb/hd and a 2400 baud modem. |
| 17:54.19 | mpeg4codec | manufactured in 1996, it features a 120 mHz pentium 1, 24 megs ram, 800 MB hard drive, and a highly damaged screen |
| 17:54.21 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: it sucks more ass |
| 17:54.31 | krezel | 600E only sucks a little ass, I have one |
| 17:54.35 | mpeg4codec | what are the specs on the 600E? |
| 17:54.45 | hardwire | 600E works for what I need |
| 17:54.49 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: BUY AN iBook!!!! |
| 17:54.50 | hardwire | fast enough for some io stuffins |
| 17:55.00 | krezel | hardwire: Running linux? |
| 17:55.04 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: everything works with Linux |
| 17:55.06 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: i don't exactly have much money to burn |
| 17:55.06 | hardwire | ooof course |
| 17:55.18 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: how much you get yours for? |
| 17:55.18 | krezel | Have you managed to get the sound working? |
| 17:55.20 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: you can still run commercial games w/out selling your sould |
| 17:55.23 | sheenmaster | soul* |
| 17:55.27 | hardwire | krezel: oooof course.. |
| 17:55.35 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: $1100, but that was a while back |
| 17:55.37 | hardwire | would you like the details? |
| 17:55.50 | mpeg4codec | hardwire: of the 600E? |
| 17:55.52 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: it's 500mhz G3 is faster than my 1ghz P3 server |
| 17:56.06 | krezel | hardwire: I've tried everything... I know the I/O settings and everything, but its like the drivers cant find the chip |
| 17:56.13 | hardwire | /sbin/modprobe cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 |
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| 17:56.17 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: yep, my server is 200 mHz, but that's ok for a server...running Linux of course |
| 17:56.21 | hardwire | should work like a charm |
| 17:56.21 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: don't be fooled by frequency, it doesn't mean shit between different processor lines |
| 17:56.29 | krezel | hardwire: Heh... trust me, I've tried all that |
| 17:56.36 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: i know, believe me I know |
| 17:56.42 | hardwire | krezel: then its fucked.. :) |
| 17:56.45 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: benchmarks are the only realy way to compare |
| 17:56.46 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: everything I have runs Linux, from my stereo(a shitty pentium 120) to my server and my Z |
| 17:56.53 | krezel | Yes... fucked it is |
| 17:57.03 | hardwire | krezel: I actually made a freedos bootdisk with the ibm tpctl stuff on it |
| 17:57.08 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: my next box with be a multiprocessor Sun |
| 17:57.09 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: same here except one box is dual-booted for LAN parties w/ win2k |
| 17:57.10 | hardwire | then reenabled sound |
| 17:57.27 | hardwire | I dunno if you have done that yet |
| 17:57.48 | krezel | hardwire: I have a dos partition for the hibernate stuff, and I've got the ps2 stuff in there, I've played with the sound settings a lot, disabled everything else, but to no avail |
| 17:57.55 | krezel | Sound works in windows and BeOS though |
| 17:58.15 | hardwire | krezel meh.. that sucks |
| 17:58.24 | krezel | yeah, sucks a big one |
| 17:58.30 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: if i can get packet radio working onthe zaurus, i'll give you a msg |
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| 17:58.35 | hardwire | maybe it knows you have a doze partition :) |
| 17:59.10 | krezel | I've decided the previous owner did something to hose the ISA side of the chip |
| 17:59.41 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:59.50 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: sheenmaster@frob.us |
| 17:59.51 | hardwire | I am running 2.4.20 |
| 17:59.55 | kergoth | hrm |
| 17:59.58 | krezel | 2.4.21 |
| 18:00.01 | kergoth | my c700 kernel doesnt want to boot anymore |
| 18:00.04 | krezel | using the OSS drivers? |
| 18:00.07 | hardwire | I also got alsa working |
| 18:00.08 | kergoth | odd. |
| 18:00.18 | hardwire | krezel: well I just gave you params for oss :) |
| 18:00.24 | hardwire | thats what I use |
| 18:00.25 | krezel | I'd be happy to get anything working on it |
| 18:00.26 | mpeg4codec | sheenmaster: what kernel version is OZ using? i'm too lazy to uname -r |
| 18:00.29 | krezel | yeah i noticed |
| 18:00.32 | hardwire | krezel try out alsa |
| 18:00.35 | kergoth | mpeg4codec: same as sharp. |
| 18:00.36 | krezel | I wasnt sure if you bought the comercial ones too |
| 18:00.40 | krezel | Tried alsa |
| 18:00.43 | sheenmaster | mpeg4codec: and you think I'm not!? |
| 18:00.44 | kergoth | mpeg4codec: (on the 5000d/5500 anyway) |
| 18:00.51 | hardwire | krezel: wow man.. hosed |
| 18:00.51 | mpeg4codec | haha |
| 18:00.52 | kergoth | mpeg4codec: 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix |
| 18:00.56 | mpeg4codec | thanks |
| 18:01.25 | hardwire | I LOVE NEKKID FEET! |
| 18:01.30 | kergoth | ~fishslap hardwire |
| 18:01.35 | | ACTION slaps hardwire up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 18:01.36 | hardwire | aww.. |
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| 18:01.46 | hardwire | ~fishkiss kergoth |
| 18:01.47 | kergoth | hey mewyn |
| 18:01.55 | kergoth | ~bitchslap hardwire |
| 18:01.57 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of hardwire |
| 18:02.00 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:02.04 | hardwire | awww ;( |
| 18:02.12 | hardwire | when did I become public enemy #1 ! |
| 18:02.21 | kergoth | yesterday, didnt you know? |
| 18:02.28 | hardwire | I can't read ;( |
| 18:02.29 | mewyn | hey kergoth |
| 18:02.41 | krezel | hardwire: for the IO do you use the "ADDR" from the IBM PS2 app, or do you use the "SBADDR"? |
| 18:02.52 | hardwire | I dunno |
| 18:03.10 | krezel | grr.. |
| 18:03.14 | hardwire | well.. I don't |
| 18:03.21 | hardwire | last time I used the ps2.exe was a year ago |
| 18:03.41 | krezel | Why am I the only one who has issues with this? I'm not a fucking newbie or anything, i know this shit... |
| 18:04.20 | hardwire | you are too a newbie |
| 18:04.29 | krezel | Ouch |
| 18:04.36 | kergoth | GRRR |
| 18:04.41 | hardwire | Yes SIR! |
| 18:04.44 | kergoth | damnit c700, behave! |
| 18:05.06 | kergoth | and if usb-storage crashes my box one more time today, i'm going ballistic |
| 18:05.07 | hardwire | krezel: you aren't a NEWB |
| 18:05.12 | hardwire | AFAIK you could be ;) |
| 18:05.15 | hardwire | but you aren't |
| 18:05.18 | hardwire | if that makes you happy |
| 18:05.22 | krezel | Thanks for the clarification :) |
| 18:05.37 | hardwire | you haven't said the non newb password yet |
| 18:05.55 | hardwire | *ppst*.. its dratsab.. |
| 18:06.09 | krezel | hah |
| 18:07.23 | krezel | We used to talk backwards in high school, I dont fall for that ;) |
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| 18:08.21 | kergoth | i love lha |
| 18:08.26 | kergoth | Melting : oooooo |
| 18:08.51 | krezel | whoa there kergoth |
| 18:09.01 | kergoth | ~$ lha x card_update_70012.exe |
| 18:09.02 | kergoth | card_update/initrd.bin - Melted : oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 18:09.08 | treke|home | hrm |
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| 18:59.38 | sheenmaster | my code works in Java |
| 18:59.43 | sheenmaster | my code works in Kaffe |
| 18:59.57 | sheenmaster | Jeode is a peice of crap |
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| 19:00.27 | warmi | Java on PDA is insane idea in the first place :-) |
| 19:00.40 | sheenmaster | warmi: a kickass idea, if done correctly |
| 19:00.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:01.03 | kergoth | that could be said of java in general |
| 19:01.16 | warmi | yeah, you mean these GBs of memory (literally) that our java application servers tend to consume just to start up ? |
| 19:01.18 | warmi | I don't think so .. |
| 19:02.14 | warmi | java makes sense in I/O intensive enviroment where memory is not a problem .. |
| 19:02.19 | warmi | exacly opposite of PDA :-) |
| 19:02.46 | sheenmaster | warmi: 64mb of ram should be enough |
| 19:03.05 | sheenmaster | warmi: and jave speed problems are irrelevent in my app |
| 19:03.42 | warmi | I know .. the reason Jeode is piece of crap is becuase they slimmed it down to fit on this device |
| 19:03.53 | sheenmaster | warmi: Wonka is giving me instantaneous results to my calculations. |
| 19:04.07 | sheenmaster | warmi: I'm installing everything to SD anyways! |
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| 19:04.20 | sheenmaster | warmi: hell, I'd install J2DK if it was available |
| 19:04.33 | warmi | fine, but the problem remains .... what kind of GUI are you guys going to use for Wonka ? |
| 19:04.37 | warmi | AWT is a joke |
| 19:04.52 | sheenmaster | warmi: 1. AWT is all that jeode supports. |
| 19:05.00 | sheenmaster | warmi: 2. I prefer the console version. |
| 19:05.00 | warmi | Swing is a joke because it will never run well on a device like this |
| 19:05.36 | sheenmaster | kergoth: is there a standard command to "run foo" in the console? |
| 19:05.38 | warmi | sheenmaster: perhaps, what I am saying is that JAva, at this point, doesn't have a suitable GUI layer to make it work on devices like PDA |
| 19:05.57 | warmi | I know there are slim prioprietary toolkits but these are , well, non-standard |
| 19:06.04 | sheenmaster | warmi: ASCII I/O through konsole will work beautifully. |
| 19:06.06 | warmi | anyway ... enough java bashing for this lovely sunday |
| 19:06.44 | warmi | sheenmaster : you mean using your PDA with a ASCII/console interface ? |
| 19:06.45 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:06.59 | sheenmaster | konsole actually |
| 19:07.08 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:07.14 | warmi | ok |
| 19:07.27 | sheenmaster | I use the console version for development, might as well use it in Physics class. |
| 19:07.41 | warmi | if it works for you then there is no problem |
| 19:07.51 | sheenmaster | how can I make it work for others? |
| 19:08.11 | sheenmaster | I need to modify my launcher script to start Wonka in a konsole. |
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| 20:08.07 | hardwire | so |
| 20:08.13 | hardwire | these dell "intern" commercials |
| 20:08.18 | hardwire | what do these interns do? |
| 20:08.28 | hardwire | they are learning how to click a pc configurator? |
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| 20:10.20 | sheenmaster | hardwire: they can flip light switches |
| 20:12.37 | hardwire | true that |
| 20:19.37 | mspencer | and they're not stoners :) |
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| 20:41.35 | Twiun | hey * |
| 20:42.57 | NeoTron | cool, so now snails talks to eachother |
| 20:43.05 | NeoTron | too bad they "lock up" in the connect phase. :P |
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| 20:48.06 | mewyn | kergoth: you have nmap handy? |
| 20:48.31 | kergoth | ~lart usb-storage |
| 20:48.47 | kergoth | nmap is always handy |
| 20:48.49 | kergoth | why? |
| 20:49.05 | mewyn | scan zelda and tell me if you see port 2999 open |
| 20:50.13 | sheenmaster | kergoth: nmap has some bugs |
| 20:50.19 | kergoth | everything has bugs. |
| 20:50.22 | sheenmaster | kergoth: java ServerSockets appear as closed |
| 20:50.37 | sheenmaster | kergoth: probably more of a Java bug... |
| 20:51.09 | sheenmaster | that's in connect() mode as well as SynStealth and the rest |
| 20:51.24 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:53.40 | sheenmaster | is there a fix for the latest break in kismet? |
| 20:53.57 | kergoth | no. |
| 20:54.22 | kergoth | feel free to figure out whats wrong |
| 20:55.09 | sheenmaster | did the error start with rc3(.1) or did it begin with a kismet update? |
| 20:55.24 | kergoth | I dont know |
| 20:57.09 | gaurdian | whats the latest rev of kismet ? I have 2.8.0 from ZSI |
| 20:58.43 | Twiun | sheenmaster: how are things going with Wonka? |
| 21:00.54 | mark | does anyone here run a blootbot? |
| 21:01.18 | kergoth | mark: tim riker does. |
| 21:01.22 | kergoth | mark: ibot is a blootbot |
| 21:01.36 | mark | kergoth: i know, i was hoping someone had an idea wtf mine wasn't working |
| 21:01.37 | sheenmaster | Twiun: finally |
| 21:01.53 | sheenmaster | Twiun: 1. Wonka is the best jvm for the zaurus. |
| 21:01.59 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:02.02 | sheenmaster | Twiun: 2. kaffe doesn't work and jeode sucks ass |
| 21:02.38 | sheenmaster | Twiun: 3. I added it to my feed, htttp://zaurus.frob.us/ ; hope you don't mind. |
| 21:02.49 | mark | kergoth: cheers tho |
| 21:03.32 | sheenmaster | Twiun: 4. is there some sort of "java console" app for Wonka so that my text-based apps can be called from scripts into opie? |
| 21:03.57 | kergoth | sheenmaster: you can use a cmdline opt to embeddedkonsole |
| 21:03.59 | kergoth | i forget the syntax |
| 21:04.02 | kergoth | search the opie ML archives |
| 21:04.30 | sheenmaster | kergoth: is there a site for that? google came up dry. |
| 21:04.58 | kergoth | its hosted on handhelds.org |
| 21:05.01 | kergoth | theres likely a archives link |
| 21:05.43 | Twiun | sheenmaster: until I've done with the scrollbar/scrollpane stuff, doing any type of console app would be pretty hard :) |
| 21:08.53 | Twiun | sheenmaster: I don't mind wonka being in your feed, I'll let you know when I make updates :) |
| 21:09.08 | sheenmaster | Twiun: great |
| 21:09.43 | sheenmaster | Twiun: sheenmaster@frob.us |
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| 21:14.35 | tboc | btw. does syncing work with 3.1-rc3.1 and qtopiadesktop? |
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| 21:22.18 | mewyn | hrnmmm |
| 21:22.36 | mewyn | slicker is nice |
| 21:23.04 | mewyn | http://www.tuxnami.org/~mike/snapshot1.jpg |
| 21:24.24 | sheenmaster | mewyn: for a moment I thought that was OS X |
| 21:25.47 | NeoTron | victory networked worms! |
| 21:26.10 | mark | mewyn: cheers |
| 21:26.18 | Twiun | NeoTron: congrats! |
| 21:27.29 | mewyn | it's still buggy and incomplete |
| 21:28.20 | mark | mewyn: indeed |
| 21:28.50 | tboc | any idea why my Z won't reboot when i use the opie-shutdown tool? |
| 21:29.54 | kergoth | tboc: because its broken? |
| 21:29.56 | kergoth | tboc: :) |
| 21:30.01 | kergoth | opie expected /sbin to be in the path |
| 21:30.07 | kergoth | but /sbin isnt in the path in /etc/profile anymore |
| 21:30.13 | kergoth | add it there, or wait for the updated opie-taskbar in unstable |
| 21:30.36 | sheenmaster | tboc: Opie's Law: All needed packages are broken all the time regardless of how many times they are fixed. |
| 21:30.38 | tboc | kergoth: i guess thats why syncing won't work - simply because it's 'broken'? =) |
| 21:30.43 | kergoth | huh? |
| 21:30.47 | kergoth | syncing hasnt changed. |
| 21:30.54 | tboc | 8) |
| 21:30.56 | kergoth | if it doesnt work, its likely user error. |
| 21:31.20 | mspencer | Whoa, scary! You know how people have that problem where HancomMobileWord is in Japanese still after doing the locale=en trick? Just remove /home/QtPalmtop/bin/word-eucJP.rc and HancomWord comes up in English! |
| 21:31.24 | tboc | i just get a few % after that qtopiadesktop hangs |
| 21:32.09 | _Psycho | mspencer you should post that on boards around |
| 21:32.09 | mark | mewyn: is that your desktop? |
| 21:32.15 | mspencer | I will ^__^ |
| 21:32.26 | kergoth | you know, the openzaurus.org FAQ system is quite useful |
| 21:32.43 | kergoth | feel free to use it to store c700 tidbits, even non OZ specific ones |
| 21:33.03 | mewyn | mark: yah |
| 21:33.05 | tboc | hmm... the new opie-icons are somewhat hard to recognize :] |
| 21:33.36 | tboc | not that i didn't like antialiasing ... but that is just too much ;) |
| 21:34.18 | mark | mewyn: looks good - cvs or rpm? |
| 21:34.27 | mewyn | cvs |
| 21:34.45 | mark | mewyn: is the launcher saving the positions of your icons? |
| 21:34.52 | mewyn | no |
| 21:34.53 | tboc | kergoth: i get to "Syncing Categories" then on my PC the CPU-usage gets to 100% and nothing happens |
| 21:34.59 | mewyn | not properly at least |
| 21:35.02 | kergoth | sounds like a qtopia desktop problem. |
| 21:35.11 | mark | mewyn: hmm, damnation |
| 21:35.29 | tboc | kergoth: 1.6 is the newest? |
| 21:35.47 | NeoTron | stupid curl |
| 21:37.22 | mark | mewyn: bunching them all together on startup? |
| 21:39.05 | mewyn | some of them |
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| 21:42.58 | tboc | kergoth: is there another way to sync the Z? |
| 21:43.12 | mark | mewyn: k, i'll look into it |
| 21:44.09 | NeoTron | the only networking issue left is figuring out why libcurl, on the zaurii, hands in recv after getting the headers |
| 21:44.26 | mspencer | what is kpengine? Does anyone recognize it? |
| 21:44.39 | newbs | are the screen protectors worth it? |
| 21:45.05 | mspencer | (that is, it's a binary included on the dynamism rom but not included on the sharp rom. It's probably a commonly-available open source project.) |
| 21:45.17 | kergoth | doesnt ring a bell |
| 21:45.32 | mark | ibot: google kpengine |
| 21:45.33 | | mark: are you using Windows? |
| 21:45.37 | mark | ibot: google for kpengine |
| 21:45.45 | kergoth | hm |
| 21:45.48 | kergoth | kanjipad? |
| 21:46.16 | mark | mspencer: yeap, its a kanji input method called kanjipad |
| 21:46.38 | mspencer | waaaaitaminute...OK, that's my fault then. It ISN'T on the dynamism rom then. |
| 21:46.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:46.48 | mspencer | I made this backup after already installing some things... |
| 21:47.09 | mspencer | so apparently that was installed along with kanjinirvana. |
| 21:47.38 | mspencer | (which I never would have installed, if I had known it was possible to get libCRIM back -- CRIM kicks much ass. Which I've gone into detail about in the past. :) ) |
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| 21:49.05 | dmalloc | does killefiz have a packahe feed? |
| 21:49.20 | dmalloc | (as in ZSI) |
| 21:49.22 | mspencer | or maybe not -- when I tried CRIM with locale set to en, I get squares for all the kanji. X__ |
| 21:50.53 | mspencer | heh these changes are so simple (except for Bunkoviewer and SST, which don't even work on the Dynamism rom anyway -- they're japanese, and print out squares for all the ji...) that I bet one could just create an .ipkg file that did all the work with scripts. |
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| 21:51.16 | mspencer | install the package to switch to english, reboot. Remove the package to switch to japanese, reboot. |
| 21:52.18 | kergoth | mspencer: yep |
| 21:52.40 | mark | 'cannot allocate an object of type X because the following virtual are abstract:' means that pure virtual methods haven't been implemented yeh? |
| 21:53.37 | mspencer | btw, now that my C700 is in a state of disrepair, as I'm tinkering with it...maybe I should update my rom...and/or try out the development romdisk. :) |
| 21:53.52 | mspencer | Does that romdisk flash from SD just like the Sharp-supplied updates can? |
| 21:55.06 | kergoth | development romdisk? |
| 21:55.19 | mspencer | Let me know if I'm using the wrong terms for things badly enough that it's making the terms not communicate -- I can elaborate. |
| 21:55.32 | mspencer | ah...lemme find the link to what I'm talking about... |
| 21:55.35 | kergoth | ok |
| 21:56.01 | mspencer | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/ |
| 21:56.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:56.31 | _Psycho | oh it hought there was a new rom :) |
| 21:56.34 | kergoth | theres no opie on that you know :) |
| 21:56.36 | kergoth | its console only |
| 21:57.05 | mspencer | if I just put those files on the root of my vfat-formatted SD card, pop up the maintenance menu, choose the fourth option and then choose SD...will it flash those files? (and yeah, console only is fine :) ) |
| 21:57.09 | _Psycho | new roms with funny console toys who know hehe |
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| 21:57.19 | kergoth | mspencer: yes, it will. as long as you put updater.sh there too |
| 21:57.25 | kergoth | mspencer: (swipe it from the sharp stuff) |
| 21:57.58 | mspencer | ah, gotcha. Does it touch the flash disk in a way that's compatible with the existing Sharp roms? (that is, will it change partitions around such that I can't flash back?) |
| 21:58.07 | kergoth | it doesnt touch partitioning |
| 21:58.33 | mspencer | ohwait, option 2 is fdisk, right? Maybe I should just go in and write down the partitions, just in case... |
| 21:58.39 | kergoth | option 2? |
| 21:58.43 | kergoth | i dont know what you mean |
| 21:58.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:58.46 | mspencer | sorry :) |
| 21:58.53 | kergoth | it just flashes the 32mb primary flash partition |
| 21:58.54 | kergoth | thats it. |
| 21:59.01 | kergoth | doesnt screw with mtd partitioning |
| 21:59.02 | mspencer | From the maintenance menu (want a picture?) option 2 allegedly gives you fdisk. |
| 21:59.07 | mspencer | OK, cool :) |
| 21:59.10 | kergoth | mtd partitioning is passed via the bootloader |
| 21:59.17 | mspencer | ah, naruhodo. |
| 21:59.37 | mewyn | kergoth: did you forget to setup the package manager in rc 3.1 to have the feed? |
| 21:59.43 | kergoth | mewyn: did i? |
| 21:59.43 | mspencer | (ah, so it's to THAT extent! erm... ah, I see...) |
| 22:00.04 | mewyn | i didn't see it in the list |
| 22:00.11 | yeiazel | no feed is activated |
| 22:00.28 | mewyn | no feed for rc3.1? |
| 22:00.34 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:00.35 | kergoth | uh |
| 22:00.38 | kergoth | 3.0 = stable |
| 22:00.41 | kergoth | 3.1rc3.1 = testing |
| 22:01.49 | yeiazel | I've had to activate the testing feed in the configuration screen just after installing rc3.1 |
| 22:02.00 | kergoth | yeah, that was intentional |
| 22:02.06 | kergoth | that way i dont have to maintain a billion oz-base iterations |
| 22:02.12 | yeiazel | :) |
| 22:07.39 | mspencer | also, regarding that kernel that disables the cache bug workaround on the C700...it says it has MMC but not SD support. If I understand correctly, SD cards at sizes 128 MB and lower work in MMC compatibility mode also, right? |
| 22:08.02 | mewyn | kergoth: i can't seem to get wlan working with dhcp in rc3.1 |
| 22:08.58 | kergoth | its confirmed to work |
| 22:09.12 | kergoth | not by me of course |
| 22:09.16 | kergoth | whats the behavior you're seeing? |
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| 22:09.36 | mewyn | the interface is never brought up |
| 22:09.43 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:09.45 | kergoth | okayy |
| 22:09.48 | kergoth | iwconfig wlan0 |
| 22:09.52 | kergoth | is the AP's mac there? |
| 22:09.54 | kergoth | is it associated? |
| 22:09.57 | kergoth | card light solid? |
| 22:10.01 | kergoth | is udhcpc running? |
| 22:11.47 | mewyn | udhcpc wasn't running |
| 22:12.26 | mewyn | hrmm... it seems to not bring it up when i run udhcpc manually |
| 22:13.49 | mark | does anyone know if the motorla A760 does run qtopia? |
| 22:16.08 | mewyn | kergoth: seems like nothing is going through the interface, even when i give it a manual config |
| 22:16.50 | kergoth | were you planning on giving me some information? |
| 22:16.54 | kergoth | you answered _one_ of my questions |
| 22:16.59 | kergoth | I cant assist blindly. |
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| 22:17.21 | mewyn | sorry. all the wlan stuff is proper |
| 22:18.13 | kergoth | what about dmesg? |
| 22:18.53 | mewyn | i think i got it by forcing a reconfig with iwconfig |
| 22:18.57 | mewyn | yah. |
| 22:19.02 | kergoth | odd |
| 22:19.07 | mewyn | lemme reboot to see if it's agreeable |
| 22:19.20 | mewyn | you're telling me :) |
| 22:19.38 | Twiun | can konq/e be given a url on the cmd line? |
| 22:19.56 | chayim | Twiun: yes |
| 22:21.36 | Twiun | chayim: any particular way? konqueror http://192.168.129.1 doesn't work |
| 22:22.27 | chayim | it should.. hold on let me yonk out my Z |
| 22:23.00 | Twiun | mine seems to parse it as a file url, and then complains it's in the wrong format :) |
| 22:23.49 | chayim | Twiun: mine's doing the same thing, and yet I can swear I've done it before. |
| 22:24.21 | Twiun | chayim: time to dig in the code methinks |
| 22:24.29 | Twiun | chayim: as --help doesn't do squat |
| 22:24.54 | chayim | Twiun: sure is. I know that on kde it works fine (used to work with --url also). |
| 22:37.10 | Twiun | chayim: not sure commandline parsing is compiled in |
| 22:39.25 | chayim | Twiun: hmm... wonder what would come out of the buildroot. that'd be the answer. |
| 22:41.14 | Twiun | chayim: that's what I'm looking at, but konq building never was that easy to understand anyway |
| 22:42.11 | chayim | Twiun: hmm... point me to the source and I'll give it a look.. during my real life I'm a CM. |
| 22:42.22 | Twiun | chayim: CM? |
| 22:42.42 | chayim | configuration manager, a.k.a build monkey/b*tch |
| 22:42.46 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 22:43.18 | Twiun | do you have a buildroot handy? |
| 22:43.36 | chayim | an oz buildroot? no, but I could grab one... where's the bk repo set? |
| 22:43.50 | kergoth | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 22:43.51 | | it has been said that oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 22:44.05 | chayim | kergoth: props. |
| 22:44.25 | chayim | kergoth: why bk -r co -q? |
| 22:44.25 | chayim | why not just bk -r edit? |
| 22:44.49 | treke|home | chayim: co makes the files read only |
| 22:44.55 | kergoth | becuaes bk edit globally interferes with attempts to use bk import to pull in a patch |
| 22:45.00 | kergoth | which requires a fully unlocked repo |
| 22:45.10 | kergoth | so i recommend locking files for editing when you need to edit them |
| 22:45.30 | chayim | kergoth: not entirely... bk files are read only by default, as for doing a bk edit, you can still import a patch if you haven't yet touched files. |
| 22:47.48 | kergoth | chayim: you can? I always ran into difficulty doing so. |
| 22:47.55 | kergoth | chayim: maybe it was bk receive i was thinking of |
| 22:48.08 | chayim | kergoth: I do it near daily. (definitly bk receive, especially since we're not supposed to be using it). |
| 22:48.18 | kergoth | figured |
| 22:48.23 | kergoth | use it in your company? |
| 22:48.29 | kergoth | or just a kernel guy? |
| 22:48.36 | chayim | kergoth: yup.. that's why I bugged you months ago about it (if you remember) |
| 22:48.49 | chayim | it's been ages since I've been in here. |
| 22:49.27 | chayim | kergoth: is the oz buildroot one monolithic thing? |
| 22:49.33 | chayim | s/thing/repo. |
| 22:49.40 | kergoth | yes |
| 22:49.47 | kergoth | its a single buildsystem. splitting it would be pointless |
| 22:50.17 | chayim | hmm... I turned ours @ soma into nested ones... we still have one build system, but each package/collection is its own repo (makes tracking sources nice, and cloning faster). |
| 22:50.39 | kergoth | our existing buildsystem is going away entirely |
| 22:50.48 | kergoth | so doing so wouldnt gain us much at this point, but i'll think about it going forward |
| 22:50.50 | chayim | kergoth: ah... need some help. |
| 22:51.05 | chayim | I don't have much time, but I've got some... and it's what I do. |
| 22:59.58 | chayim | if anybody wants me, I'm sitting in #openembedded |
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