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| 00:42.23 | TMM1 | hi |
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| 00:58.12 | Shdwdrgn | did anyone else happen to notice today on Sharp's dev forum... the thread about the Toshiba PDF file on SD specs has been deleted? |
| 00:59.21 | treke | yes |
| 01:01.04 | treke | sharp is under an nda with the SD organization and linking to what is probably confidential information isnt a good thing for them to do |
| 01:01.26 | Shdwdrgn | makes sense |
| 01:01.28 | Shdwdrgn | still... |
| 01:01.41 | kergoth | still what? |
| 01:01.51 | treke | thats what I was thinking |
| 01:01.55 | hobbs | whoever's got a copy, toss it in freenet ASAP. :) |
| 01:02.02 | Shdwdrgn | too late... it's already been snagged |
| 01:02.15 | treke | if it makes sense to take down the link, why not do it |
| 01:02.25 | Neo|Work | does someone have a copy? |
| 01:02.37 | kergoth | Neo|Work: it spread like wildfire. |
| 01:02.50 | Shdwdrgn | that depends on whether or not I could be sued <grin> |
| 01:06.00 | Neo|Work | well, I have it mirrored too nwo |
| 01:06.21 | hobbs | how big is it? |
| 01:07.02 | treke | not big |
| 01:07.12 | treke | 500k |
| 01:08.02 | hobbs | someone want to get me a copy? |
| 01:08.35 | Neo|Work | ftp://ftp.eongames.com/pdf/ ;-) |
| 01:08.50 | Neo|Work | that might be a bad idea to keep it there in the long run I suppose |
| 01:09.12 | treke | goofle for toshiba SD Card Specification |
| 01:09.41 | Shdwdrgn | http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components/Datasheet/tc59sm7xxaft-2000-02-08.pdf |
| 01:10.11 | Neo|Work | in reality, if it IS secret, Toshiba is the one that fscked up |
| 01:10.28 | Shdwdrgn | so download it from Toshiba directly, and nobody will be at fault |
| 01:10.32 | Shdwdrgn | er |
| 01:10.32 | treke | that isnt it |
| 01:10.34 | Shdwdrgn | nobody ELSE |
| 01:10.59 | hobbs | treke: which? |
| 01:11.04 | treke | Neo|Work: yup, shouldnt have given it to Cal Poly :) |
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| 01:11.57 | treke | hobbs: its the one righ at the copy of the list |
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| 01:12.20 | hobbs | I'll pretend that made sense. ;) |
| 01:12.39 | mark | wow, its fun reading this pdf :) |
| 01:12.56 | treke | hobbs: in google type "Toshiba SD Card Specification" and choose the first link, it points to cal poly |
| 01:13.04 | kergoth | hrm |
| 01:13.10 | Neo|Work | I discovered that with mem=1024m it's stable |
| 01:13.11 | hobbs | aah k. :) |
| 01:13.21 | Neo|Work | I lose 1 GB of memory but it's still hell of a lot better than my other box. :P |
| 01:13.27 | Neo|Work | dual cpu power man. :P |
| 01:14.12 | kergoth | hrm |
| 01:17.45 | hobbs | Alright. It's on freenet. CHK@dMY1oY998qUPBI0-MIW-HwsU3WYKAwI,GohnOeK~pjuxD~rz8bPagw |
| 01:18.31 | _Psycho | www3.sympatico.ca/colsen/toshiba_m1283bx.pdf |
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| 02:46.11 | chouimat | hey prpplague |
| 02:48.31 | prpplague | chouimat: howdy |
| 02:49.28 | minipanda | Hi! i'm just looking for a zaurus, but i still not very clear what included in standard zaurus package? |
| 02:49.39 | kergoth | um |
| 02:49.40 | kergoth | a zaurus |
| 02:49.59 | minipanda | and how can i updated the ROM(flash) on zaurus? |
| 02:50.02 | redfenix | kergoth: man, you rock. =P |
| 02:52.37 | _Psycho | minipanda what model ? |
| 02:55.42 | minipanda | psycho: i'm not very clear! i will buy it throught a netshop , that sales on the telphone told me zaurus will have 64MB sdram and 16ROM flash! |
| 02:56.11 | _Psycho | shop.conics.net have a pictures of what is inside the c700 ;) |
| 02:56.26 | minipanda | but he is not very familiar with what OS installed in it and howto update the software! |
| 02:56.27 | kergoth | hm |
| 02:56.27 | _Psycho | not much i cab do thought except to tell you to check on zaurus.com |
| 02:56.36 | kergoth | i should see if i can get the c700 service manual from sharp |
| 02:56.39 | _Psycho | buy a 5600 then ;) |
| 02:56.41 | kergoth | since i'm already under NDA for other shit |
| 02:57.02 | _Psycho | brb in 20 min |
| 02:57.05 | minipanda | what? 5600 and 7000 are all called sl 5500? |
| 02:57.12 | kergoth | minipanda: eh? no |
| 02:57.22 | kergoth | sl-5600/b500 != sl-c700 != sl-5500 |
| 02:57.31 | ljp | bah! floats |
| 02:57.37 | _Psycho | no 5600 is the new model that is getting out end of march better a bit than the 5500, the c700 is a japanese model that own a lots |
| 02:57.41 | _Psycho | and like brb ;) |
| 02:57.50 | ljp | float this, ARM! |
| 02:58.21 | minipanda | i just want to but a sl-5500 only cost me $330, what 5600 cost? |
| 02:58.32 | kergoth | 5600 isnt out yet |
| 02:58.36 | kergoth | and it'll be around $500 when it is |
| 02:58.38 | ljp | probably 495 |
| 02:58.47 | minipanda | oh !! too expensive!@ |
| 02:58.56 | ljp | and then a month later 250 on ebay |
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| 02:59.55 | minipanda | ljp : really? i am very interesting! but sl-5500 still $330 now! :-( |
| 03:00.12 | ljp | on ebay? |
| 03:00.27 | ljp | I'm just guessing |
| 03:00.57 | minipanda | nop, and chinese style site like ebay , named "eachnet" you can browse through "www.eachnet.com" |
| 03:02.36 | minipanda | ljp: maybe ebay is a good place for me |
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| 03:03.44 | ljp | ya keep an eye out. the 5600 is bound to show up |
| 03:05.15 | minipanda | 5600 is more worthy than 5500 , especially for developers? or a newbie like me :-) ? |
| 03:06.22 | warmi | minipanda : not when considering the difference in price |
| 03:07.21 | minipanda | but for a basic developer, they are just the same? |
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| 03:07.44 | warmi | yeah, pretty much |
| 03:07.59 | warmi | if you just want to code for the zaurus or even on the zaurus then it doesn't really matter |
| 03:08.31 | warmi | but as I said, you can get 5500 cheaper these days .. |
| 03:08.40 | mewyn | hrm... |
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| 03:09.00 | mewyn | show on chicago on travel chanel |
| 03:09.02 | minipanda | warmi: good news for me! oh? maybe $299, and how about your zaurus? |
| 03:10.00 | warmi | I have 5000d which is the very first version ( it has only 32 MB of ram) |
| 03:10.52 | minipanda | oh, and you paid $359 for it? |
| 03:11.12 | warmi | no, I won it in a contest ... seriously |
| 03:12.22 | mewyn | i purchased one of the first iterations |
| 03:12.38 | minipanda | so, you've developed on zaurus platform for a long time? porting linux to it? (some one tell me the zaurus's flash is setting to ban all the win-ce like OS) |
| 03:13.38 | warmi | minipanda : yeah, I wrote quite a few programs for the zaurus |
| 03:14.07 | warmi | but I don't work with the kernel itself - only in the user space ( applications) |
| 03:14.21 | minipanda | OK, i've found out a expert here, hehe :-) |
| 03:15.02 | minipanda | oh? i just want to learn some of it's loader 's codes, how can this minor staff run linux? |
| 03:15.19 | kergoth | minor staff? |
| 03:15.22 | kergoth | load's codes? |
| 03:15.23 | minipanda | is that zaurus including apache or nfs ? |
| 03:15.30 | kergoth | can somebody get me a translator or something? |
| 03:15.39 | warmi | minipanda no , not by default |
| 03:15.53 | warmi | but you can install nfs and you can even install samba |
| 03:16.50 | minipanda | kergoth: how can zaurus boot linux, i'm not very clear, i want to learn how to rebuld the kernel and download them to zaurus's rom(flash) |
| 03:17.08 | kergoth | what do you mean |
| 03:17.12 | kergoth | how? |
| 03:17.30 | kergoth | it boots linux the same way any ARM device boots linux. read about the boot process on www.arm.linux.org.uk |
| 03:17.50 | kergoth | the Z can flash its kernel or root filesystem via a CF card |
| 03:17.51 | kergoth | quite easy. |
| 03:17.53 | kergoth | '/win 11 |
| 03:17.55 | kergoth | damn ' |
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| 03:25.59 | minipanda | kergoth: ok! i learn, but seems 5600 is not much better than 5500, just extended MEM to 96 and updated an intel Xscale 400 |
| 03:26.30 | kergoth | mem isnt 96 |
| 03:26.34 | kergoth | 64mb flash, 32mb ram |
| 03:26.44 | kergoth | bigger battery |
| 03:29.13 | minipanda | ok. but sharp-use.com said that 5600 can play mpeg-1 and mp3 but 550 cannot! is that ture? |
| 03:29.32 | kergoth | not true |
| 03:29.44 | kergoth | 5500 can play divx, mp3, ogg, etc etc |
| 03:29.50 | kergoth | so can 5600 |
| 03:30.02 | Vhalros | Well, it can't play DivX /well/. |
| 03:30.13 | kergoth | i havent had problems |
| 03:30.18 | minipanda | but divx is really big files! |
| 03:30.22 | kergoth | using op2 or mplayer+xmms/e? |
| 03:30.36 | Vhalros | You can get resonable frame-rates? Using op2. |
| 03:30.57 | Vhalros | minipanda: Yes, that is true. |
| 03:31.15 | minipanda | heeh and divx decode is a huge proceesing job for only 206M arm processor |
| 03:31.24 | treke|home | minipanda: divx is a format |
| 03:31.35 | treke|home | minipanda: file size is a variable |
| 03:31.45 | treke|home | divx files can be small and they can be big |
| 03:34.39 | treke|home | minipanda: size = length * quality |
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| 03:41.41 | rohan | does anyone have a webbrowser on zaurus |
| 03:42.08 | kergoth | yes |
| 03:42.08 | kergoth | opera |
| 03:42.12 | kergoth | or konqueror/embedded |
| 03:42.13 | kergoth | or lynx |
| 03:42.14 | kergoth | or links |
| 03:42.16 | rohan | omg |
| 03:42.25 | rohan | can you test my site out on some of them? |
| 03:42.31 | rohan | http://rohanpall.com/journal |
| 03:42.35 | rohan | want to make sure its compat |
| 03:42.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:42.41 | kergoth | lynx and links are console browsers, not Z specific |
| 03:42.59 | kergoth | the others are though |
| 03:43.02 | rohan | ahhh |
| 03:43.10 | rohan | maybe you can try the other, IF you have time |
| 03:43.13 | rohan | thanks ;)))) |
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| 03:52.45 | minipanda | so can i play an divx file from an USB harddisk through usb conneciton? |
| 03:53.04 | kergoth | no |
| 03:53.09 | kergoth | Z is a usb device, not a usb host |
| 03:53.34 | redfenix | kergoth: I was wondering about that... what if you could rig up a usb "server" inline on a cable... then could you use devices? |
| 03:53.41 | redfenix | kinda like a hub. |
| 03:53.58 | kergoth | hardwire: is it a nice mountain? |
| 03:54.04 | hardwire | its overlooking my city |
| 03:54.11 | hardwire | I have my huge ass dish aimed down at it |
| 03:54.17 | hardwire | and I am on some guys access point |
| 03:56.00 | minipanda | kergoth: can i play my divx format movies on zaurus through USB connection? |
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| 03:56.20 | krezel | XFCE is cool |
| 03:59.11 | redfenix | minipanda: if you connect your zaurus to a pc or something, then you can mount drives on it. |
| 03:59.26 | redfenix | minipanda: but I don't know if the transfer rate will support a divx movie. |
| 03:59.41 | redfenix | minipanda: and it would be kinda pointless anyway (since it's hooked up) |
| 04:00.08 | redfenix | minipanda: maybe a better application would be watching a movie over a wireless connection... |
| 04:02.33 | minipanda | how can i zaurus connected with PC? use usb ? sorry i mean just normal linux pc, not notebook, without wireless port! |
| 04:03.36 | kergoth | yes, there is a usb cradle |
| 04:04.01 | redfenix | minipanda: it comes with a usb cable. are you comfortable with recompiling your kernel though? |
| 04:04.38 | redfenix | kergoth: wait.. you don't have to recompile for the 5500 do you? |
| 04:05.54 | kergoth | yeah, you do. |
| 04:06.04 | kergoth | usbnet doesnt support the Z until 2.4.21, without the patch |
| 04:06.09 | kergoth | so need to patch and compile it |
| 04:18.46 | krezel | loatta actiom in here tonight, huh? |
| 04:19.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:19.40 | kergoth | rc3 is about to release |
| 04:19.41 | kergoth | :D |
| 04:19.51 | krezel | No shit! Let me know when its ready, I'll upgrade |
| 04:20.05 | krezel | Whats new in RC3? |
| 04:22.38 | kergoth | hostap drivers backreved to fix monitor mode, oz-obase/ipkg/modutils/sysvinit/etc package splits, irda bug gone, sysvinit dumping messages over opie on runlevel change is fixed, opie's obex stuff was redone completely, probably 40 new packages added, assload of opie changes including completely new icons, numerous other bug fixes |
| 04:22.53 | krezel | Awesome |
| 04:23.31 | kergoth | samba server and opie as nonroot wont be in rc3, got pushed off till final |
| 04:23.51 | krezel | Yeah, running everything as root kind of worries me sometimes |
| 04:24.55 | krezel | I'll need beta testers for my MP3 player in a week or so, if anybody's intrested |
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| 04:43.28 | redfenix | kergoth: hey, how do I unpack a .ipk file? I want to get ipkg out of it so I can put it on my c700. |
| 04:43.58 | kergoth | ar x blah.ipk |
| 04:44.02 | kergoth | or tar zxvf blah.ipk |
| 04:44.05 | kergoth | depending on format |
| 04:45.25 | redfenix | tar zxvf didn't work... said it wasn't gzip |
| 04:45.30 | redfenix | but ar worked.. =) |
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| 04:56.17 | _Psycho | there is any other kind of stylus that work with the zaurus minus the one sharp sell ? |
| 04:56.22 | _Psycho | cant find where to order in canada |
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| 05:07.01 | Vhalros | _Psycho: I was able to whittle one from bamboo pretty easily... |
| 05:07.13 | Vhalros | _Psycho: Started with a chopstick :) |
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| 05:24.12 | minipanda | kergoth : seems cross compile the kernel is very easy now? and docs for zaurus or ARm are very well enough? |
| 05:24.29 | kergoth | yes, corsscompiling the kenrel is pretty easy |
| 05:33.08 | sukoshi_ | kergoth: still there? |
| 05:33.25 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:33.29 | sukoshi_ | hey |
| 05:33.36 | kergoth | uploading the rc3 5500/5000d release |
| 05:33.58 | sukoshi_ | did i told you that card_updatexxx.exe can be uncompressed with lha? |
| 05:34.04 | kergoth | yep, i know |
| 05:34.12 | sukoshi_ | perfect |
| 05:34.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:34.23 | kergoth | needed to, to get updater.sh |
| 05:34.33 | sukoshi_ | what's its format? |
| 05:34.44 | sukoshi_ | cat updater.sh | more is undreadable |
| 05:34.45 | kergoth | updater.sh? |
| 05:34.48 | sukoshi_ | yep |
| 05:34.49 | kergoth | its not a shell script, thats for damn sure |
| 05:34.51 | kergoth | its a arm binary |
| 05:35.01 | kergoth | i dunno wnhy they called it a .sh, just confuses people |
| 05:35.16 | sukoshi_ | yup |
| 05:35.54 | treke|home | kergoth: sure it isnt a makeself binary? |
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| 05:46.13 | minipanda | kergoth: is that zaurus port kernel merged with some new feature such like preemptive and NAPI patch ? or this TCP/IP stack like kernel 2.4? |
| 05:46.55 | kergoth | what? |
| 05:47.14 | kergoth | its a 2.4.6 stock linus kernel plus the -rmk1 patch + the -np2 patch + lineo's embedix patch |
| 05:47.18 | kergoth | quite old. |
| 05:50.55 | minipanda | what? the kernel only 2.4.6? |
| 05:51.02 | treke|home | minipanda: yes |
| 05:51.06 | kergoth | thats what i said, isnt it? |
| 05:51.12 | minipanda | but maybe enough for nonSMP kereel |
| 05:51.18 | kergoth | what? |
| 05:51.30 | treke|home | no matter how you cut it, 2.4.6 sucks ass |
| 05:51.34 | treke|home | through a small |
| 05:51.36 | treke|home | straw |
| 05:51.36 | minipanda | i mean 2.4.6 maybe not like the 2.4.20 l used on X86 and MIPS |
| 05:52.18 | minipanda | kergoth:sorry! i am i chinese students, my english is very poor! |
| 05:52.50 | treke|home | we also are students |
| 05:52.56 | treke|home | students of the way of the asshole |
| 05:53.11 | kergoth | aha |
| 05:53.31 | kergoth | honor students, no doubt! |
| 05:53.35 | minipanda | i'm using 2.4.20 kernel on my desktop X86 and my projecti is based on mips, i 'm very interesting on porting linux from one platfrom to another! |
| 05:54.02 | minipanda | terke : BTW , what is "students of the way of the asshole" really means? |
| 05:54.07 | treke|home | then you probably ought to pick a platform linux hasnt already been ported to |
| 05:54.14 | treke|home | minipanda: exactly what is says |
| 05:54.54 | treke|home | we both have second degree brown stains |
| 05:55.31 | minipanda | corect! i need to find a more challenge work to do, but not very hard for me. and my x86 and mips kernel are all support SMP, may be zausus kernel do not need these features! |
| 05:55.49 | treke|home | nope. a zaurus only has one cpu |
| 05:56.22 | mspencer | btw, if I remember right, someone in here had some kind of question about credit card chargebacks...something about AOL... |
| 05:56.39 | mspencer | I finally remembered to ask about it at work, and I have some advice for whoever that was. :) |
| 06:04.34 | gaurdian | hows the 700 mspencer |
| 06:05.41 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 06:05.47 | *** topic/#zaurus by kergoth -> Sharp PDA Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || http://openzaurus.org/ || OpenZaurus 3.1-rc3 released! || <sniper> MARK KASOK at PC Connection for a $229 developer special price on REFURBISHED SL-5500 - call (603) 423-2127) |
| 06:06.32 | mspencer | great so far :) |
| 06:06.44 | mspencer | Nearly got gcc working...still have to make more symlinks... |
| 06:06.56 | kergoth | sl-5500/5000d users: OpenZaurus 3.1-rc3 is now available for testing |
| 06:06.59 | kergoth | trust me, you want it ;) |
| 06:07.18 | gaurdian | heh..omw to get kergoth , will give ya a report tommarrow |
| 06:07.31 | gaurdian | I will make notes during the day |
| 06:07.32 | mspencer | also have some rather disappointing results from using kismet from halfway up the first national tower in downtown Omaha. |
| 06:08.01 | mspencer | Down on Dodge street was really lively -- 19 networks, most of them not sending traffic though. |
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| 06:08.30 | mspencer | Most of the ones with interesting names like 'fnb1' (probably my company) and 'DouglasCC' and whatnot...used WEP and sent very few packets. |
| 06:08.45 | kergoth | gaurdian: thanks |
| 06:08.50 | mspencer | (Omaha occupies most of Douglas County, if that means anything to ya) |
| 06:09.33 | mspencer | Up in the tower, very poor reception. Only received maybe a packet every ten seconds, and these were just 'probe' type packets. |
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| 06:10.30 | mspencer | not worthwhile for C700 users yet, right? |
| 06:10.42 | kergoth | what isnt worthwhile? |
| 06:10.47 | mspencer | heh sorry |
| 06:11.01 | kergoth | now that rc3 is released I can finish the c700 opie support |
| 06:11.03 | kergoth | :) |
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| 06:11.08 | mspencer | Is ...ooh, that answers that ^__^ |
| 06:12.48 | mspencer | btw, regarding the problems people have with input switching back to hiragana... |
| 06:13.04 | mspencer | the applet that controls that is ...ack, forgot the name I found earlier today... |
| 06:13.24 | mspencer | but under pics, there was a directory with this name, that had the same images we see in the taskbar... |
| 06:14.57 | mspencer | Also, according to Rieko-san at school today, 'Zaurus' is actually a pretty famous brand over in Japan. They pronounce it like you'd expect: "za-u-ru-su"... |
| 06:16.30 | mspencer | oh yeah...something like 'fepmon' controls the ascii/hiragana stuff, right? Is that an application name anyone here recognizes? |
| 06:17.14 | kergoth | doesnt ring a bell |
| 06:17.37 | mspencer | Google says: "...due in large measure to third-party development of Japanese FEP (front-end processor) software for these models. IBM Japan, meanwhile, recently released ..." |
| 06:17.53 | gaurdian | kergoth , besides running the opera creator, what else do I need to do to get opera running on the rc3 ? |
| 06:18.13 | kergoth | gaurdian: eh, dont ask me, i've never once used it. I rely on the reports of my urs. |
| 06:18.17 | mspencer | oops...missed the best part :) insert right before that: "Long the best-selling PDA in Japan, the Sharp Zaurus is now receiving some serious competition from Hewlett Pac kard's 200LX and the Apple Newton -- due in large measure to " |
| 06:18.17 | kergoth | users. |
| 06:18.35 | gaurdian | ok |
| 06:18.53 | mspencer | so maybe if we axe this 'fep' thing, that annoying switching-to-hiragana problem will go away. |
| 06:19.12 | mspencer | Or maybe my entire ability to input anything via keyboard into the Zaurus will go away, so I'm taking no chances. |
| 06:25.43 | gaurdian | so let me make sure I understand this before I flash, some tkc apps say they MUST be installed to "ram" with rc3, I should be able to install EVERYTHING to a SD, correct ? |
| 06:26.16 | mspencer | Hmm...if anyone's familiar with the startup sequence for the C700...do you think there's a way to move some files out of their normal directory to see what happens, yet still run a bash script on startup that will (say) sleep for 300 seconds and then move the files back.? |
| 06:26.18 | kergoth | assuming a ext2 sd card, yeah you shouldnt have a problem |
| 06:26.48 | gaurdian | ok, and to get the ext2 SD card, I need to fdisk it , then mkfs.ext2 correct ? |
| 06:27.22 | kergoth | right |
| 06:27.34 | gaurdian | got ya. |
| 06:28.16 | gaurdian | any particular mem configuration kernel better than others / I was thinking of useing 52-12 |
| 06:28.53 | mspencer | (see, that's how it should be -- if someone doesn't know the answer, just say nothing -- don't chase someone out of the room saying 'nobody here knows, go away' ^__^ ) |
| 06:29.30 | gaurdian | no one knows......leave now :_) |
| 06:29.51 | mspencer | waaaaaaaaaah! |
| 06:30.52 | mspencer | hmm...what do you think about that, though? If I do something that causes qtopia to fail to start, a bash script that moves files back will still kick off, right? |
| 06:31.39 | mspencer | and if I run that sleep-then-move-files-back bash script at the beginning of /etc/rc.d/rc.local, it'll run before qtopia has a chance to start, right? |
| 06:32.29 | kergoth | heh, /me isnt thoroughly versed in the redhatish embedix boot process to answer the question |
| 06:32.40 | mspencer | that's alright... |
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| 06:33.34 | mspencer | gah...I remember purposely creating a user named "root " (root then a space) and IRCing as that user, just to piss pushy people off :) |
| 06:33.57 | gaurdian | hah |
| 06:34.31 | kergoth | heh, i dont mind people irc'ing as root |
| 06:34.33 | mspencer | "Yes, I'm IRCing as root , but not as UID 0. It's OK" |
| 06:34.39 | mspencer | ibot does ^__^ |
| 06:34.40 | | mspencer: I give up, what is it? |
| 06:34.42 | kergoth | its their problem, not mine |
| 06:34.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:34.49 | kergoth | they want to take the risk, its on them |
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| 06:36.57 | mspencer | also, does Xvnc work on the C700? I don't see why it wouldn't... |
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| 06:37.09 | mspencer | since it doesn't interact directly with any hardware... |
| 06:43.16 | redfenix | nite |
| 06:52.11 | noidd | Kergoth! |
| 06:52.18 | noidd | rc3 :-) |
| 06:52.35 | noidd | so much for the work I was going to do today, heh |
| 06:53.42 | kergoth | hey noidd |
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| 06:54.46 | kergoth | hey hardwire |
| 06:54.51 | noidd | heya kergoth, congratulations on release of rc3 :-) |
| 06:54.59 | noidd | its downloading as we speak |
| 06:55.02 | hardwire | hiya |
| 06:55.03 | kergoth | thanks, took long enough. damn those real life distractions ;) |
| 06:55.15 | noidd | don't want you to think that you're a drug dealer or anything... |
| 06:55.26 | oGMo | kergoth: zmoney has braindead sorting too btw ;/ |
| 06:55.29 | noidd | but my shakes and convulsions have eased since its release :-) |
| 06:55.31 | oGMo | it might be the widget |
| 06:55.44 | kergoth | oGMo: oughta be simple enough to fix |
| 06:55.46 | oGMo | but i don't know why these coders can't get simple sorting right |
| 06:55.48 | noidd | bah, openzaurus.sf.net is down - arse |
| 06:55.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:56.05 | oGMo | i'm thinking it's probably automatic textual sorting built in to the clist |
| 06:56.13 | kergoth | openzaurus.org is working fine here |
| 06:56.23 | kergoth | openzaurus.org is just openzaurus.sf.net |
| 06:56.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:56.31 | noidd | oGMo: isnt there a flag to switch sorting from alpha to numeric? |
| 06:56.49 | noidd | there is in gtk, would have thought there would be in qt |
| 06:56.56 | oGMo | noidd: wouldn't help, unless you can poke in arbitrary numbers to be sorted |
| 06:56.58 | kergoth | hm, we need some new screenshots for the site |
| 06:57.01 | oGMo | (which should be the case) |
| 06:57.16 | oGMo | since you get like 1/3/2003 |
| 06:57.28 | noidd | oh, I assumed that the problem was b0rked number sorting |
| 06:57.37 | oGMo | the best would be to store a "sort value" of the unix time |
| 06:57.58 | oGMo | noidd: well, when it goes [1, 10, 11, ... 2, ...] that too ;) |
| 06:58.18 | oGMo | zmoney and opie checkbook both do that for money amounts |
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| 06:58.57 | do_guh_new | anyone know where I can find the whereis command? must be out there somewhere |
| 06:59.10 | oGMo | run whereis and see |
| 06:59.11 | hardwire | now thats funny |
| 06:59.56 | do_guh_new | ya that's cute but it's not there obviously |
| 07:01.44 | noidd | wonder if the wifi bug I had before is fixed in rc3 |
| 07:01.54 | noidd | tappity tappity tap |
| 07:04.34 | kergoth | do_guh_new: why not just use 'which' or find? |
| 07:05.03 | noidd | whereis whereis ? |
| 07:05.05 | noidd | :-) |
| 07:05.15 | do_guh_new | kergoth: ya I know it's just a luxury Id like to have cause Im so use to running whereis on my linux systems |
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| 07:14.42 | frankps | morning all |
| 07:14.49 | noidd | mornin frank |
| 07:15.46 | frankps | hi |
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| 07:18.07 | mspencer | http://mspencer.net/stuff/c700zgcc.jpg -- woo hoo, it works! ^__^ |
| 07:18.40 | frankps | nice |
| 07:20.24 | noidd | nice |
| 07:21.06 | frankps | Hope an international version will come soon |
| 07:21.26 | frankps | Cross my fingers for CeBit, but I seem to wrong |
| 07:21.30 | mspencer | in other news, I FINALLY found how to enter a backtick and curly brackets on the C700! |
| 07:21.54 | mspencer | backtick == shift and the dash key (the katakana vowel elongation symbol)... |
| 07:22.01 | SirPsycho | maybe i am confused.. says in oz3.1rc3 announcement that SD/MMC is supported.. yet I am on oz3.1rc2 and I am using SD card just fine |
| 07:22.20 | kergoth | SirPsycho: uh |
| 07:22.24 | Ociocio | SirPsycho: as am i |
| 07:22.25 | kergoth | SirPsycho: it says its supported. |
| 07:22.25 | mspencer | open and close curly bracket is the same key as the angle brackets, but you've gotta hold down both shift and Fn. |
| 07:22.33 | kergoth | SirPsycho: does it say that previous versions _didnt_ support it? |
| 07:22.39 | kergoth | SirPsycho: fuck no, that is your assumption. |
| 07:22.57 | mspencer | or another way to say that is...I know what you mean, but it worked in other versions also. |
| 07:22.58 | kergoth | saying something works doesnt imply this is a new situation |
| 07:23.02 | SirPsycho | nope.. sure dont.. so why bother saying it supported if it already works |
| 07:23.06 | kergoth | mspencer: and? |
| 07:23.18 | kergoth | mspencer: you think i give a fuck about how you think i should say something? |
| 07:23.36 | kergoth | I'll say it the way I want to say it. and I do not need your fucking commentary. |
| 07:23.53 | kergoth | SirPsycho: because users have been assuming that sd wasnt supported going forward. |
| 07:24.09 | kergoth | SirPsycho: that statement was to correct people's existing false assumptions. |
| 07:24.15 | mspencer | It's OK SirPsycho, we understand what you meant... |
| 07:24.17 | SirPsycho | wouldnt it be useful to get feedback on OZ instead of telling users that you dont care what their opinions are? |
| 07:24.25 | kergoth | SirPsycho: what? |
| 07:24.33 | kergoth | SirPsycho: i'm saying i dont care about his opinion of my _language_ |
| 07:24.39 | kergoth | SirPsycho: i never said anything about opinions regarding OZ |
| 07:25.01 | mspencer | it's OK kergoth, we can just agree to disagree on that...sorry about causing that scene... |
| 07:25.22 | kergoth | yeah, sorry, i just get sick of your snide remarks |
| 07:25.33 | Ociocio | does oz come with a media player yet? |
| 07:25.41 | kergoth | Ociocio: there are media players in the feeds. install em |
| 07:25.50 | mspencer | heh :) |
| 07:26.01 | mspencer | I couldn't get the media player to work with non-audio-files -- I think I'm missing a plugin. |
| 07:26.10 | Ociocio | yea, just trying to figure out what i need to queue before i go to bed |
| 07:26.15 | kergoth | libxine, most likely. |
| 07:26.16 | Ociocio | stupid 56k |
| 07:26.20 | kergoth | assuming you're using opieplayer2 |
| 07:26.27 | kergoth | i dunno about mplayer |
| 07:26.39 | Ociocio | kergoth: i find xmms works better |
| 07:26.45 | Ociocio | at least for audio |
| 07:26.52 | SirPsycho | if i want to goto rc3 and I am on rc2 can I just update from the feed or do i need to reflash? (or is the procedure doc'd somewhere and I am just goin blind..) |
| 07:26.59 | kergoth | last i checked, xmms-e was a frontend to mplayer |
| 07:27.07 | kergoth | SirPsycho: you can upgrade, but that wont upgrade your kernel |
| 07:27.20 | kergoth | SirPsycho: you have to flash that, if you want the benefit of the improoved audio drivers |
| 07:27.28 | kergoth | but I would recommend flashing |
| 07:27.44 | kergoth | PDAs are difficult to upgrade via a feed due to lacking free space |
| 07:27.53 | kergoth | not to mention the problems with the jffs2 version in the Z's ancient kernel |
| 07:27.59 | SirPsycho | k.. will have to backup first then.. |
| 07:28.20 | SirPsycho | is there some way to do like in debian.. dpkg --get-selections and then dpkg --set-selections ? |
| 07:29.16 | kergoth | no |
| 07:29.21 | kergoth | ipkg doesnt have those functions |
| 07:29.25 | kergoth | I keep requesting them |
| 07:29.30 | SirPsycho | ya.. looked for it myself.. |
| 07:29.35 | SirPsycho | would be nice if it did |
| 07:29.35 | kergoth | but ipkg has too many real bugs to get fixed before they start working on new features |
| 07:29.44 | Ociocio | are sd cards all about the same speed or are some faster than others? |
| 07:29.47 | kergoth | ipkg is broken in a number of ways |
| 07:29.55 | SirPsycho | i have seen ipkg do some weird things |
| 07:33.31 | noidd | Oci: I believe that the problem with sd speed is hardware related |
| 07:35.35 | noidd | kergoth: do you have a sec for a quick question? |
| 07:35.46 | SirPsycho | seems to me i remember some discussion about the SD card on the Z.. from what i remember (maybe have it wrong) they only used the same number of data lines a MMC uses.. so speed is same.. |
| 07:36.50 | noidd | in rc2 i've been installing applications to sd |
| 07:37.39 | noidd | scap that question -- I just got the answer :-D |
| 07:38.04 | noidd | perty new icons |
| 07:38.41 | Ociocio | is there an opie themes site? |
| 07:39.13 | kergoth | Ociocio: http://opie.info/~opielook/ has backgrounds and color schemes. actual styles are in the feeds. |
| 07:39.45 | noidd | kergoth: in rc3, if you cd to /mnt/card |
| 07:39.50 | noidd | and do find . |
| 07:39.56 | noidd | I get really nasty shit back |
| 07:39.58 | Ociocio | o wow |
| 07:40.16 | kergoth | ? |
| 07:40.38 | noidd | value too large for defined data type |
| 07:40.39 | noidd | etc |
| 07:40.41 | Ociocio | that sound like a personal problem |
| 07:40.52 | noidd | gonna reformat the sd card i guess |
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| 07:41.20 | noidd | yup - my sd card is completely corrupt |
| 07:41.37 | noidd | ls shows lots of generic filesystem mess |
| 07:41.57 | Zxcvb | has anyone cracked the 5500's SD system yet |
| 07:42.00 | noidd | ah yes, its mounted my ext2 SD card as vfat |
| 07:42.06 | kergoth | 'cracked'? |
| 07:42.40 | Zxcvb | kergoth: reverse engineered without any official documentation or licenses |
| 07:42.44 | kergoth | noidd: you probably had remnant bits of your old vfat filesystem. may be worth doing a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcsd1 or whatever to wipe it, then mkfs.ext2 |
| 07:42.58 | kergoth | Zxcvb: its not the '5500's sd system' that needs reverse engineering |
| 07:43.09 | kergoth | Zxcvb: its SD card initialization in general, which isnt hardware specific |
| 07:43.24 | Zxcvb | kergoth: have they gotten MMC working on the 5500? |
| 07:43.34 | kergoth | 'they'? |
| 07:43.42 | noidd | possibly kergoth, wierd that it happens after flash... wierd - but dd if=/dev/zero is good |
| 07:43.43 | Ociocio | whats the difference between sd and mmc? |
| 07:43.47 | kergoth | no, _I_ havent ported an open source MMC driver yet. |
| 07:44.02 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: sd has DRM |
| 07:44.02 | kergoth | just no time |
| 07:44.30 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: the same as the difference between a DVD-R and a single layer video DVD |
| 07:44.52 | Ociocio | does the zuaurs even use the DRM? |
| 07:44.58 | Ociocio | s/use/support |
| 07:45.00 | kergoth | no, it doesnt |
| 07:45.09 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: no, but sd uses the same secret initialization |
| 07:45.22 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: DRM is most likely a single bit to control it |
| 07:45.44 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: so if you knew the sd card init, you could defeat the DRM by flipping a single bit in the driver |
| 07:46.01 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: as easily as cracking pdf encryption, if not easier |
| 07:46.41 | Ociocio | what just happend to the rc3 files? |
| 07:47.27 | kergoth | Ociocio: they're right there. rc3.1 now. spotted a bug that needed fixing. read the news page. |
| 07:48.45 | Zxcvb | how is rc3.1? |
| 07:49.45 | Ociocio | wow, that was fast |
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| 07:55.05 | Ociocio | is 3.1 final expected to use opie 1.0? |
| 07:55.36 | kergoth | it may or may not coincide with the opie release plan. I havent decided at this point. |
| 07:56.18 | Zxcvb | is opie 1.0 compatible with software compiled for the sharp rom? |
| 07:56.27 | kergoth | opie 1.0 doesnt exist. |
| 07:56.38 | Zxcvb | or whatever will be opie 1.0? |
| 07:56.39 | kergoth | _will_ it be? yes. |
| 07:58.58 | mspencer | whoa, this is cool -- running a ./configure for the first time on my Z. Lots of 'no's in the output ^__^ |
| 07:59.04 | kergoth | noidd: |
| 07:59.26 | kergoth | noidd: we switched from busybox mount to full fledged util-linux mount. |
| 07:59.38 | noidd | ah, |
| 07:59.43 | kergoth | noidd: thats why the behavior changed |
| 08:00.15 | noidd | gotcha, it mounts fine after reformat |
| 08:00.15 | kergoth | busybox must not have picked up on the fat remnants |
| 08:00.18 | kergoth | cool |
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| 08:02.19 | Zxcvb | is there any X support in opie? |
| 08:03.37 | Ociocio | Zxcvb: not in opie |
| 08:03.56 | Ociocio | Zxcvb: but you can run x |
| 08:03.58 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: you still have to switch between opie and X? |
| 08:04.02 | Ociocio | yea |
| 08:04.15 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: need an X server for opie |
| 08:04.22 | Ociocio | there is some virtual frambuffer server but i havent tried it |
| 08:05.11 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: do you know if anyone has tried to make winelib work on the Z (or ipaq)? |
| 08:05.35 | kergoth | you can build opie against qt/x11 |
| 08:05.40 | kergoth | but it still needs some work |
| 08:05.41 | Ociocio | Zxcvb: uhh ... no |
| 08:05.42 | mspencer | crap, I need to compile and install ncurses before the nano editor will compile... |
| 08:05.59 | noidd | hmm, possible bug :-/ |
| 08:06.04 | noidd | prolly opie related tho |
| 08:06.11 | mspencer | I don't know how many arm-cpu-architecture windows executables there are out there, except maybe for NT... |
| 08:06.19 | Zxcvb | mspencer: winelib |
| 08:06.23 | noidd | I use a wireless ad hoc network |
| 08:06.24 | Zxcvb | mspencer: not wine itself |
| 08:06.25 | Ociocio | Zxcvb: there is an x86 emulaotor, and in theory it boot windows |
| 08:06.34 | Zxcvb | no need for an emulator |
| 08:06.41 | Ociocio | why not? |
| 08:06.44 | Zxcvb | winelib is a porting layer |
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| 08:06.59 | Zxcvb | the compiler (usually gcc) compiles it to native ARM |
| 08:07.12 | noidd | I see the dhcp request come in on the wierless network - but the interface doesn't actually come up |
| 08:07.14 | Ociocio | o, you mean port the source as opposed to run a binary |
| 08:07.17 | Zxcvb | you just get the program source, say to nester, run winemaker, then make |
| 08:07.21 | noidd | i'm sure if i configure it manually it will work fine |
| 08:07.26 | mspencer | ah, gotcha :) |
| 08:07.35 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: yes, it lets you port windows software without worrying about the win32 API |
| 08:07.57 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: nester, gens (not yet, but soon), putty |
| 08:08.35 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: dosbox, though that is SDL |
| 08:08.52 | Ociocio | emulators would beed to be recoded ... asm core |
| 08:09.18 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: dosbox is pure C/C++ (not sure which) |
| 08:09.21 | mspencer | oh, never mind this compiling, I found a libncurses5 on ZSI...hope it works ^__^ |
| 08:09.44 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: and the mushashi core can use ASM, but is not required |
| 08:09.54 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: starscream is a different matter |
| 08:10.30 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: dosbox runs at 286/slow 386 speed on a P2 400 |
| 08:11.27 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: someone did attempt a port, but there were issues with the 640x480 resolution needed |
| 08:13.46 | Ociocio | speaking of emulators, is there a full speed nes/gbc/gba emulator? |
| 08:14.21 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: a full speed gba emu is impossible |
| 08:14.29 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: it would have to be a virtual machine monitor |
| 08:14.35 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: or HLE system |
| 08:14.37 | Ociocio | Zxcvb: why? gba uses a arm proc |
| 08:14.42 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: the GBA uses a 200MHz strongarm |
| 08:14.47 | Ociocio | 66MHz |
| 08:14.55 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: unless you can make a good ARM->ARM JIT |
| 08:15.22 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: in theory, a native JIT (X86->x86 or ARM->ARM) JIT could run code faster than native |
| 08:15.34 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: how about a HLE system? |
| 08:15.48 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: remember ultrahle (which many people claim isn't an emulator)? |
| 08:16.18 | Ociocio | no, i dont know what hle is |
| 08:16.23 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: or wabi 2.2 on the sparc (most win16 API calls ran native, CPU emulation was rarely used, less than 10% of the time) |
| 08:16.47 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: high level emulation |
| 08:17.18 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: ultrahle, instead of emulating the N64, converted nintendo's game development library calls to C/glide calls |
| 08:17.31 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: very little, if any, N64 hardware emulation was ever done |
| 08:18.11 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: it could run commercial N64 games easily on a P2 300 even though the CPU alone was 96MHz |
| 08:18.38 | Zxcvb | Ociocio: you don't need accurate hardware emulation to emulate a video game system anymore |
| 08:20.24 | oGMo | er |
| 08:20.32 | oGMo | Zxcvb: the gba uses a 16mhz arm from what i heard |
| 08:20.48 | Ociocio | oGMo: no, its 66MHz |
| 08:20.53 | oGMo | Ociocio: ah |
| 08:21.23 | oGMo | i keep hearing all different things, but i don't think it's as fast as a Z by any means |
| 08:21.33 | oGMo | unfortunately ;) |
| 08:21.37 | Zxcvb | oGMo: even so, if N64 games can run full speed on a P2 300, surely high level emulation can be used on the GBA as well |
| 08:22.23 | Ociocio | Zxcvb: so when can we expect your first release? |
| 08:22.41 | Zxcvb | oGMo: so, I can get a full (cooperative) multitasking environment for the NES that includes a full featured web browser (no plugins, and probably no java, but javascript and images), and a full webserver |
| 08:23.09 | Zxcvb | oGMo: with full networking support |
| 08:23.14 | oGMo | Zxcvb: oh, yeah, definitely... i played through mario64 on my p100 ;) |
| 08:23.27 | oGMo | under linux under wine under UltraHLE |
| 08:23.29 | Zxcvb | oGMo: all on an old 6502 with 2K of RAM |
| 08:23.42 | oGMo | Zxcvb: yeah, i saw that little OS |
| 08:23.43 | oGMo | pretty cute |
| 08:23.56 | Zxcvb | oGMo: now that's tight coding |
| 08:24.17 | oGMo | Zxcvb: since you'd be going arm->sa, i don't see what the problem would be, with a jit like you said |
| 08:24.23 | mspencer | *hears his desktop hard disk start thrashing* Oops, need to remember to unmount /mnt/desktop before doing "find / -name curses.h" ^__^ |
| 08:24.53 | oGMo | gah i gotta run, ttyl |
| 08:25.01 | mspencer | later oGMo |
| 08:25.07 | Ociocio | anyone know if a device to convert a pcmcia card to cf exists? |
| 08:25.10 | oGMo | mspencer: later |
| 08:28.14 | yeiazel | Ociocio: I've heard of that |
| 08:28.17 | yeiazel | but got no URL |
| 08:29.21 | Ociocio | yeiazel: yea, that seems to be the consensus ... and google just shows pcmcia cf readers |
| 08:30.18 | yeiazel | s/readers/adaptors/ ;) |
| 08:30.51 | yeiazel | cf is just a smaller pcmcia interface, that's why I think pcmcia=>cf adaptors should exist |
| 08:30.51 | Ociocio | yea |
| 08:30.56 | Ociocio | i know |
| 08:31.13 | SirPsycho | they have cf -> pcmcia adapters.. makes sense to me |
| 08:31.33 | yeiazel | http://www.semsons.com/comflastopcc.html |
| 08:31.41 | yeiazel | google rocks |
| 08:32.01 | yeiazel | searched with "pcmcia compact flash" |
| 08:32.06 | yeiazel | 1st entry |
| 08:32.06 | yeiazel | :) |
| 08:32.16 | yeiazel | s/with// |
| 08:32.40 | Zxcvb | what about the drivers, though |
| 08:32.58 | yeiazel | I think this should be easily portable |
| 08:33.03 | yeiazel | as long as you run a linux os... |
| 08:33.48 | Ociocio | i doubt the adapter needs drivers, and as long as there is support in linux you could cross compile a module |
| 08:34.11 | yeiazel | "i doubt the adapter needs drivers" it's exactly what they say on this website |
| 08:34.22 | SirPsycho | if the pcmcia card you were using had the same chipset as another supported card it might work right off |
| 08:34.44 | yeiazel | sure |
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| 08:42.54 | HCl | when flashing the zaurus |
| 08:42.59 | HCl | is vfat good enough? |
| 08:43.05 | HCl | or does it has to be fat12 |
| 08:47.53 | gaurdian | mspencer you hjere ? |
| 08:50.45 | mspencer | yeah...going to bed soon though... |
| 08:51.13 | gaurdian | wondering, how did you install gcc ? |
| 08:51.30 | mspencer | I used the ipk, but told it to use tmpinst as the install source. |
| 08:51.39 | gaurdian | hmm |
| 08:51.43 | mspencer | Then I manually moved and symlinked things. It was tedious, but worked. |
| 08:51.55 | gaurdian | my did you do it that way ? |
| 08:52.00 | gaurdian | why even |
| 08:52.04 | mspencer | nothing else seemed to work. |
| 08:52.15 | gaurdian | ahh |
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| 09:04.48 | simcon | morning |
| 09:10.17 | noidd | morning simon |
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| 09:20.53 | Titeuf | hop, au taf. @+, bisoux |
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| 10:40.11 | sukoshi_ | hey everyone |
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| 12:34.36 | Ansi | hi |
| 12:34.53 | Ansi | live from cebit via zaurus |
| 12:36.30 | Ansi | ping |
| 12:36.56 | Ansi | bye |
| 12:40.18 | yeiazel | :) |
| 12:50.38 | Ansi | zaurus is great |
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| 13:41.50 | buliwyf | re |
| 13:42.11 | buliwyf | anybody tired to eject a Wlan card with the new OZ RC ? |
| 13:42.47 | buliwyf | tried? |
| 13:44.38 | buliwyf | mine is supported but if i try to eject it Opie hangs |
| 13:45.07 | yeiazel | it rocks ;) |
| 13:45.36 | yeiazel | I will probably try this weekend |
| 13:48.29 | buliwyf | it looks great |
| 13:48.57 | buliwyf | but ejecting wlan card ? |
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| 13:59.45 | chairman | Does someone have problems with syncing with qtopia desktop and with Openzaurus 3.1-rc3 |
| 14:00.06 | chairman | is there a new version of qtopia desktop in tar.gz format out? |
| 14:00.17 | chairman | or deb? |
| 14:01.38 | buliwyf | the latest one is 1.6 |
| 14:01.48 | buliwyf | it has been release a few days ago |
| 14:02.12 | chairman | on the trolltech webside there is just in rpm format |
| 14:02.35 | chairman | and I'm running debian |
| 14:03.16 | buliwyf | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/qtopia-free-1.6.0.tar.gz |
| 14:03.22 | buliwyf | source |
| 14:03.26 | chairman | tnx |
| 14:03.54 | buliwyf | np |
| 14:04.46 | chairman | I see that I used a deb package for the one I have installed |
| 14:04.52 | chairman | wonder where I did get that one |
| 14:05.00 | chairman | hmm |
| 14:05.20 | buliwyf | perhaps i lasts still some time |
| 14:05.48 | buliwyf | because the release has been last week |
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| 14:28.53 | treke|home | chairman: so use alien |
| 14:29.19 | treke|home | qtopia desktp has never been available in deb as long as I can remember |
| 14:33.42 | sukoshi | only cocksucking rpm |
| 14:33.45 | icefox | I converted it with alien and it is on the docs.zaurus.com, but only un-officially |
| 14:33.47 | sukoshi | OOOooups |
| 14:34.40 | sukoshi | i found cheap C700 ... on yahoo auction japan |
| 14:35.24 | Wintre | treke: s/as long.*$// |
| 14:35.41 | Wintre | For what it's worth I also alienized the .rpm and it runs on my Debian system |
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| 14:39.22 | frankps | hi Wintre |
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| 14:46.29 | Wintre | Hey frank |
| 14:46.38 | Wintre | Gorgeous day today, eh? |
| 14:48.45 | tlv | hi there |
| 14:48.48 | tlv | is there anybody who can help me enabling boot messages on oz-3.1-rc3.1 again? |
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| 15:10.05 | tlv | bye |
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| 15:13.07 | frankps | Hi Wintre |
| 15:13.07 | frankps | I was away for a bit |
| 15:13.07 | chairman | does someone have a deb package for the latest qtopia desktop? |
| 15:16.49 | Wintre | chairman: Get the RPM and use alien on it |
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| 15:24.31 | chairman | hmm |
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| 15:45.50 | sukoshi | hi everybody |
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| 15:48.06 | bobbyd | hi! |
| 15:48.23 | bobbyd | my c700 arrived :))))))0 |
| 15:48.28 | yeiazel | :) |
| 15:48.57 | yeiazel | it's mine now ! |
| 15:49.02 | yeiazel | my treasure |
| 15:49.05 | yeiazel | my precious |
| 15:49.54 | chouimat|Zzzz | and goes back too sleep |
| 15:50.53 | yeiazel | :) |
| 15:51.18 | bobbyd | one problem though |
| 15:51.28 | bobbyd | i have no power and the battery's not charged ;) |
| 15:51.32 | bobbyd | i need an adaptor |
| 15:52.01 | bobbyd | uk->jap? |
| 15:52.16 | yeiazel | fr->jap |
| 15:52.35 | bobbyd | ahh |
| 15:52.39 | bobbyd | how big is it? |
| 15:52.46 | bobbyd | and how heavy? |
| 15:52.55 | chouimat|Zzzz | 1234lbs |
| 15:53.08 | yeiazel | & 1mx4mx2m |
| 15:53.26 | yeiazel | very large, yes :) |
| 15:53.48 | bobbyd | wow |
| 15:53.53 | bobbyd | that's heavy |
| 15:53.56 | bobbyd | ;) |
| 15:54.23 | chouimat|Zzzz | bobbyd: and you will need 735 000V to use it |
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| 16:03.30 | bobbyd | sukoshi: how much? |
| 16:03.46 | sukoshi | very cheap |
| 16:04.05 | sukoshi | i just need to win the auction |
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| 16:22.54 | warmi | hi |
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| 16:24.38 | mark | hi warmi |
| 16:25.44 | mark | sukoshi: i cant find it :P |
| 16:26.49 | ljp_w | warmi: zsurface only works in full screen mode? so I couldnt use it for small parts of the screen only? |
| 16:27.00 | warmi | today no my way to work I saw a car with a bumper sticker " First Iraq, then France" |
| 16:27.01 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:27.14 | warmi | ljp_w: yeah, at this point only full screen mode |
| 16:28.03 | warmi | ljp_w: I am planning to implement that feature later on |
| 16:28.34 | mark | warmi: hah |
| 16:28.43 | warmi | ljp_w: writing some sort of video player ? |
| 16:29.15 | warmi | mark: I still have on my car an old "Red Hat Linux" sticker I got from soemwhere like 5 years ago |
| 16:29.25 | ljp_w | well, I have vu meters |
| 16:29.42 | ljp_w | but video surface sometime later maybe |
| 16:30.39 | warmi | well, vu meters could be implemented fast enough with your standard qpixmap or even Qimage |
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| 16:32.33 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:33.02 | sukoshi | warmi: you're kidding ;) |
| 16:33.04 | warmi | hi chouimat |
| 16:33.18 | warmi | sukoshi: you mean that bumper sticker ? |
| 16:33.23 | sukoshi | warmi: my car has a copyleft penguin |
| 16:33.27 | sukoshi | yes warmi |
| 16:33.33 | ljp_w | warmi: ya thats how they are done, but it's not fast enough to keep up with the audio |
| 16:35.16 | warmi | ljp_w: ok ... well, then it is time to hit a framebuffer ... but as I said, my stuff is unfortunately not ready for this kind of granularity yet |
| 16:35.34 | ljp_w | well..... make it so! ;) |
| 16:35.35 | warmi | sukoshi: no, I wasn't kidding but people in US put all kinds on nonsense on their cars .. |
| 16:36.13 | ljp_w | it's fast enough on desktop. |
| 16:36.47 | sukoshi | you live in texas or something like that? |
| 16:36.49 | sukoshi | lol |
| 16:36.49 | warmi | ljp_w: I will look into it ... |
| 16:36.50 | chouimat | hi warmi ljp_w sukoshi |
| 16:37.01 | sukoshi | salut ! |
| 16:37.10 | sukoshi | comment ca va cousin? |
| 16:37.11 | warmi | sukoshi: no, I live in very liberal/leftist Chicago - Imagine what it must be like in Texas :-) |
| 16:37.21 | sukoshi | lol |
| 16:37.34 | chouimat | sukoshi: too much beers last night now need huge amount of coffee |
| 16:37.50 | sukoshi | ohohoh |
| 16:38.07 | warmi | GNU - dynamic ???? |
| 16:38.08 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:38.34 | warmi | if you think about it , GNU represents technology from like 20 years ago :-) |
| 16:38.44 | treke | yup |
| 16:39.15 | warmi | well, it is still aged though |
| 16:40.06 | warmi | its age shows for example when dealing with C++ code especially loading dynamic libraries etc ... |
| 16:40.13 | warmi | I know they are working on it |
| 16:40.26 | warmi | gcc 3.x offers some new solutions |
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| 16:42.43 | warmi | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2849439.stm |
| 16:42.44 | warmi | hahaha |
| 16:43.37 | warmi | would that clasify as a "cruel and unussual punishment" ? |
| 16:44.08 | treke | hehe |
| 16:44.20 | treke | well maybe if we do it more often it wont be unusual :) |
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| 16:45.56 | noidd | that is kinda funny |
| 16:46.03 | noidd | but he did have the choice of that or jail |
| 16:46.12 | dmalloc | eek. heeleeo |
| 16:46.13 | noidd | and I would have gone for the dog-house too ;-) |
| 16:46.29 | treke | noidd: and your butt would thank you for it |
| 16:46.37 | warmi | treke: hehe |
| 16:47.03 | dmalloc | ok. I give up. how do I switch the keyboard driver to german? (i18n for german is installed) |
| 16:47.15 | ljp_w | what if his dog lives in it's own bedroom in the house like my cat? |
| 16:47.42 | mark | dmalloc: its hardcoded, you cant in sharp ROMS, not sure if you can in OZ 3 |
| 16:47.58 | dmalloc | mark: I am using OZ, kergoth said it somehow works.. |
| 16:48.17 | dmalloc | cuz if it does not I'll have to go back to sharp rom :( |
| 16:48.34 | warmi | ljp_w: his own bedroom ? |
| 16:48.36 | warmi | uh .. |
| 16:48.48 | warmi | I mean, it's own bedroom :-) |
| 16:49.16 | ljp_w | that would mean the house is a dog house |
| 16:49.50 | mark | dmalloc: sorry, cant help, try #openzaurus/#openembedded |
| 16:49.56 | dmalloc | having many people in your address book with umlaut and not being able to type is a problem ya know ;) |
| 16:50.05 | dmalloc | thank you. |
| 16:50.31 | warmi | forget that issue .. I am kind of surprised that anyone would set aside an entire room for a dog :-) |
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| 16:51.19 | dmalloc | warmi: my parents cats have their own room... |
| 16:51.36 | dmalloc | now should I flash rc3 or not.. |
| 16:51.37 | ljp_w | I have a spare bedroom with a bed, and my cat has a cat nest on the bed and sleeps there all the time |
| 16:53.07 | sukoshi | warmi: i live with a jack russel terrier |
| 16:53.24 | warmi | yeah, next time I hear anyone whining about people in US being opressed and poor , I will bring this "cat in his own room" topic up |
| 16:53.35 | warmi | heh |
| 16:53.52 | chouimat | http://www.opensource.org/sco-vs-ibm.html |
| 16:53.56 | ljp_w | or that most poor people here are fat |
| 16:54.34 | warmi | yeah, that too |
| 16:55.44 | warmi | sukoshi: well, there is nothing strange about living with a cat or dog .. :-) |
| 16:56.05 | sukoshi | warmi: i know ;) |
| 16:57.02 | dmalloc | My mother lives with a live black Panther.. so .. ;) (no joke) |
| 16:57.03 | warmi | sukoshi: are you familiar with creme brulee ? |
| 16:57.13 | treke | dmalloc: so? |
| 16:57.51 | dmalloc | if nothing is " strange about living with a cat or dog " then living with a 300 pound animal is. |
| 16:58.00 | treke | oh that type of blank panther |
| 16:58.14 | dmalloc | uuhuu |
| 16:58.16 | warmi | 300 pound ? so this is a grown black panther ? |
| 16:58.27 | dmalloc | very grown female black panther |
| 16:58.55 | treke | just as long as she feeds it regularly :) |
| 16:59.00 | dmalloc | akisha is free to walk the house,ljp_w. |
| 16:59.07 | warmi | that's pretty sick if you ask me .. I mean don't people living next to them complain about friggin huge wild cat running around their house ? |
| 16:59.21 | dmalloc | no, my matter fought 4 years for teh license |
| 16:59.24 | dmalloc | mother |
| 16:59.27 | treke | does she have a "beware of cat" sign in the window? |
| 16:59.32 | warmi | uh .. |
| 16:59.35 | dmalloc | hehe no |
| 16:59.37 | nadav | hehe |
| 16:59.54 | dmalloc | ljp_w: sure I'll get you some from ym mom. I am sure she has some |
| 16:59.54 | warmi | what if she jumps out of the window or somethig like that ? |
| 16:59.55 | treke | "well I warned you to beware of the cat" |
| 17:00.00 | warmi | I mean it is a wild animal after all |
| 17:00.23 | ljp_w | just do not play chase with small humans in that house |
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| 17:00.46 | sukoshi | warmi: i like creme brulee :) |
| 17:01.06 | dmalloc | creme brulee is just burtn sugar on some wobbly vanilla stuff :P |
| 17:01.11 | warmi | sukoshi: yeah, that is my favourite these days |
| 17:01.49 | dmalloc | treke: her cat box measure 1540 square metres :P |
| 17:01.49 | warmi | dmalloc: yeah .. + a knowledge how to make it just right |
| 17:02.24 | dmalloc | damnit I need to gewt this keyboard working now. |
| 17:02.30 | dmalloc | have too manyx contacts with umlauts |
| 17:03.36 | warmi | dmalloc: yeah blame the germans for that |
| 17:03.37 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:03.58 | treke | ljp_w: A panther never has a pee in the corner problem |
| 17:04.11 | treke | ljp_w: Once the animal can kill you, it ceases to cause problems |
| 17:04.29 | dmalloc | from a website: Warning: Unable to connect to ORACLE (ORA-00020: maximum number of processes () exceeded) in /data/www/php/yyTable/db_oracle.inc on line 90 |
| 17:04.31 | dmalloc | hehehe |
| 17:04.53 | ljp_w | ahh, so its just a change of thinking, 'oh, it's ok if you use my bed as your kitty litter box' |
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| 17:27.39 | darienm | heh, SteveJobs@.... |
| 17:28.38 | yeiazel | :) |
| 17:32.08 | mewyn | *yawn* |
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| 17:51.47 | George- | Hello |
| 17:53.07 | chouimat | ~fishslap George- |
| 17:53.08 | | ACTION slaps George- up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 17:53.32 | kergoth | ~fishslap George- |
| 17:53.34 | | ACTION slaps George- up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 17:53.34 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:53.40 | chouimat | ~fishslap George- |
| 17:53.41 | | ACTION slaps George- up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 17:53.51 | George- | hi kergoth |
| 17:53.58 | George- | kergoth: just trying to get my 1mbit ADSL to work |
| 17:54.00 | chouimat | yay! George- slaping party! |
| 17:54.14 | chouimat | hi George- |
| 17:54.41 | mewyn | hrm |
| 17:54.49 | mewyn | stupid 2.6 |
| 17:54.51 | mewyn | 2.5 |
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| 17:57.50 | mewyn | kergoth: you don't use 2.5 with pcmcia? |
| 17:57.58 | kergoth | dont own a laptop |
| 17:58.27 | mewyn | that's what i thought |
| 17:59.09 | George- | my tibook is coming back on tuesday!!!!! |
| 17:59.17 | George- | it's only been away for 3.5 weeks! |
| 17:59.19 | George- | bastards |
| 17:59.42 | mark | ~fishslap George- |
| 17:59.43 | | ACTION slaps George- up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 17:59.59 | mark | George-: got a red nose? |
| 18:02.37 | George- | mark: I'm a pauper |
| 18:02.47 | mark | a pauper with a tibook |
| 18:02.48 | George- | in other words, I had no money at school |
| 18:02.53 | mewyn | brb |
| 18:02.56 | George- | so I couldn't buy one |
| 18:03.09 | mark | George-: oh, i've figured out your tax evasion scheme |
| 18:03.37 | mark | George-: silly me, i shoulda thought of it before |
| 18:03.55 | George- | mark: will you shut up about that |
| 18:04.06 | George- | I'm getting tired of you hurling abuse at me for it =P |
| 18:04.22 | mark | George-: i wasnt hurling abused, i was just telling you i worked out hwo you did it |
| 18:04.49 | George- | heh |
| 18:05.16 | mark | George-: although if you're accountant was on the ball you coulda got it for free (100% tax rebate) |
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| 18:07.46 | nerdboy | hey |
| 18:08.09 | George- | mark: lol |
| 18:08.33 | George- | mark: perhaps that's a tad unsubtle ;) |
| 18:08.40 | mark | George-: scheme ends march 31st |
| 18:08.59 | George- | quick! go buy a powerbook 17"! |
| 18:08.59 | George- | :) |
| 18:09.07 | mark | George-: no, he's just claimed the 40% standard expenses rate back, but there is a scheme atm taht says IT equipment gets 100% |
| 18:09.39 | George- | haha |
| 18:09.50 | George- | seriously? |
| 18:09.51 | George- | why? |
| 18:10.04 | mark | to encourage the uptake of IT or something |
| 18:10.09 | mark | was put in place in 98 or something |
| 18:10.26 | George- | in 98 - 2003? |
| 18:10.38 | mark | yeh |
| 18:10.39 | George- | are they mad? where're they getting this money from? |
| 18:10.57 | George- | man, I need a faster computer |
| 18:11.03 | George- | this athlon 2400+ is really really slow |
| 18:11.06 | George- | ;) |
| 18:11.19 | treke | ha |
| 18:11.29 | warmi | George: yeah .. then get another apple .. I am sure it will really, really fly |
| 18:11.35 | mark | George-: you may not be a small business though. http://www.pcwb.com/taxbreaks/ |
| 18:11.36 | George- | cd /usr/src/linux; make -j9 modules |
| 18:12.05 | George- | mark: blah |
| 18:12.24 | chouimat|lunch | treke: a 2400? |
| 18:12.36 | treke | well two athlon 2400+s |
| 18:12.45 | chouimat|lunch | treke: ok |
| 18:13.13 | warmi | treke: doual athlon 2400 ? (Athlon MP) ? |
| 18:13.21 | treke | yeah |
| 18:13.24 | warmi | dual even |
| 18:13.25 | George- | treke: bastard! |
| 18:13.32 | mark | you can dual the XPs can't you? (with a mod) |
| 18:13.36 | warmi | yeah, these babies are relatively cheap these days |
| 18:13.43 | warmi | mark: no |
| 18:13.43 | treke | mark: yup |
| 18:13.44 | chouimat|lunch | George-: my brother just got a dual G4 |
| 18:13.53 | treke | mark: But for the money I dont care to take chances |
| 18:14.48 | warmi | mark: athlon mp 2400 = $200 so for two of them you would pay $400 + another 200 for the motherboard .. cheap |
| 18:15.11 | treke | mark: And I've heard of problems running the higher clocked XP's on most dual boards |
| 18:15.15 | George- | ARGH!!!!! |
| 18:15.16 | mark | warmi: wow, yeh, they are cheap |
| 18:15.18 | mark | treke: ah okay |
| 18:15.27 | mark | warmi: hmm, thats quite tempting actually :) |
| 18:15.27 | warmi | mark: yep |
| 18:15.52 | treke | yup. came out to about 750 bucks when I added ram in |
| 18:16.26 | warmi | God bless cheap US prices :-) |
| 18:17.06 | George- | brb |
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| 18:17.54 | warmi | or ... you could get a slowe dual g4 for about $4 000-5 000 :-) |
| 18:21.51 | treke | that doesnt count a video card, hard drive or case though |
| 18:22.09 | warmi | treke: generally I keep that stuff from my older machine |
| 18:22.23 | warmi | but yeah, video card is an exception |
| 18:22.30 | treke | warmi: yeah. Going to do that with the video and case. Tempted to get a new drive though |
| 18:22.46 | kergoth | I'm actually thinking about buying my next box prebuilt |
| 18:22.53 | kergoth | I've never done that in my life |
| 18:22.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:23.06 | warmi | kergoth: I was thinking about that cause prices are insanely low these days .. |
| 18:23.11 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:23.12 | treke | kergoth: my first pc ( a 386 sx from SF) was a prebuilt one |
| 18:23.25 | kergoth | plus, it takes time to throw it together |
| 18:23.26 | treke | I almost did |
| 18:23.27 | kergoth | time is money |
| 18:23.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:23.48 | warmi | but building it from scratch let me mix and match my existing hardware .. |
| 18:24.05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:24.31 | kergoth | my machine is so old though, theres nothing to salvage |
| 18:24.32 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:24.36 | treke | I figure it's only a couple hours. And I waste enough time |
| 18:24.36 | warmi | heh |
| 18:24.48 | kergoth | treke: true |
| 18:24.52 | treke | kergoth: not all that much older than me :) |
| 18:24.54 | treke | er mine |
| 18:25.11 | kergoth | hrmm this shutdown oddity is weird |
| 18:25.29 | kergoth | think .. it wasnt seen until I silenced init |
| 18:25.30 | treke | I'd just use my existing linux install if I hadnt broken the package database horribly :) |
| 18:25.30 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:25.40 | warmi | treke: " not all that much older than me" -- you really need to upgrade :-) |
| 18:25.49 | treke | warmi: hehe |
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| 18:25.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:25.58 | treke | well maybe I'm really really young |
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| 18:26.54 | warmi | what's your existing hardware treke ? |
| 18:27.13 | warmi | beefed up C-64 ? |
| 18:27.14 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:27.42 | treke | hehe :) |
| 18:27.47 | warmi | no, but seriously - what you got now ? |
| 18:27.54 | treke | athlon 1ghz. tbird |
| 18:27.58 | kergoth | okay, wall writes to all ttys listed in utmp.. |
| 18:28.01 | warmi | yeah, that's like me |
| 18:28.04 | kergoth | so first step, make opie add itself to utmp |
| 18:28.10 | kergoth | thatll be cool. see opie in who |
| 18:28.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:29.06 | warmi | so opie now runs under its own user ? |
| 18:29.06 | treke | warmi: motherboard has been giving me problems for a while |
| 18:29.33 | warmi | treke: I have no problems ... beyond the latestgames tend to run slow on that machine |
| 18:29.50 | warmi | beyond the fact that latest games tend to run slow, that is |
| 18:30.07 | kergoth | 1ghz tbird here as well |
| 18:30.22 | warmi | and .. of course, the usual geek-factor of "suffering" with a slow machine :-) |
| 18:30.49 | warmi | to tell you the truth for coding etc.... it works great .. |
| 18:30.53 | warmi | I mean 1 ghz is lot of power |
| 18:30.56 | treke | yup |
| 18:31.08 | kergoth | i rebuild opie on a regular basis |
| 18:31.12 | kergoth | i need to upgrade to reduce compile times |
| 18:31.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:31.33 | warmi | kergoth: you would actually benefit from a dual CPU machine |
| 18:31.41 | kergoth | indeed |
| 18:31.43 | warmi | I don't think I need that ... it won't help much with games |
| 18:31.43 | kergoth | make -j |
| 18:31.49 | treke | for the most part it was fast enough, but I also tend to keep a couple vmware virtual machines going at a time. I've noticed a dual 1.2 I use smooths that out much better |
| 18:31.53 | warmi | and for my coding 2.5 GHZ machine wil be just as fast |
| 18:32.07 | kergoth | yea |
| 18:32.25 | warmi | treke: oh ... so you are VMWare user ... |
| 18:32.27 | treke | only went with the 2ghz's since I figured I might as well go all the way if I'm gonna upgrade |
| 18:32.41 | treke | warmi: yup. Use it quite a bit |
| 18:33.00 | mewyn | brb |
| 18:33.36 | mark | when are 64 bit AMDs comming out? |
| 18:33.39 | treke | the speed bump for games is also welcome though |
| 18:33.45 | warmi | yeah, me too .... except I "simulate" vmware with a little help from lilo loader and reboot command :-) |
| 18:33.47 | treke | mark: Opteron is next month, I think |
| 18:33.54 | treke | warmi: hehe :) |
| 18:34.08 | mark | treke: are they going to be ridiculously expensive? |
| 18:34.13 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 18:34.14 | treke | mark: dunno. probably |
| 18:34.19 | warmi | mark: they always are |
| 18:34.32 | mark | heh |
| 18:34.48 | mark | are these meant for consumer desktops or only for servers? |
| 18:34.51 | warmi | but give it couple of months and prices will go down |
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| 18:34.58 | warmi | hi Neo|Work |
| 18:35.09 | treke | warmi: I like using it for planning out systems. Get things to a partially working state, then back it up. If break something I just untar the backup and am back at it in 5 minutes |
| 18:35.14 | warmi | sukoshi: you are still on ppp ? |
| 18:36.10 | warmi | treke: actually vmware is perfect for developing Zaurus apps - say if you have only windows machine , that is |
| 18:36.22 | treke | that too |
| 18:36.38 | warmi | or the other way around - developing PPC software as NeoWork is planning to do using virtual Windows OS |
| 18:37.01 | treke | very well made product. |
| 18:37.16 | treke | expensive though |
| 18:37.34 | warmi | yeah, what is it like $300 or so ? |
| 18:37.37 | treke | yup |
| 18:37.40 | mark | something like that |
| 18:37.55 | Neo|Work | the drawback with having my nice computer on is that my office is hot like a sauna |
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| 18:38.12 | treke | they used to have a noncommercial licensing deal where you could get it for 150 |
| 18:38.25 | Neo|Work | warmi: I tried using vmware for PocketPc development but the emulator thingue causes vmware to die/bork |
| 18:39.03 | Neo|Work | meaning the PocketPC emulator uses some invalid / unimplemented instruction |
| 18:39.11 | Neo|Work | I reported it to vmware so we'll see what happens |
| 18:40.30 | Neo|Work | downloaded beta 4 and got the same issue. :-/ |
| 18:40.30 | warmi | I never used emulator |
| 18:40.43 | warmi | it is almost as slow to deploy code on this as it is on a real thing |
| 18:40.44 | Neo|Work | warmi: it starts it automatically when I do "build" |
| 18:40.45 | treke | new betas? |
| 18:40.45 | warmi | so why bother |
| 18:41.00 | Neo|Work | treke: VMWare v4.x beta |
| 18:41.14 | Neo|Work | warmi: does it have benefits in terms of debugging? |
| 18:41.22 | Neo|Work | and how do you make it not try to start it? |
| 18:41.28 | Neo|Work | as I said, it started it by itselrf |
| 18:41.40 | gaurdian | I have 3. something of vmware, I like it |
| 18:41.58 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah .. I guess it does - but they way I prefer to code is to write my code using standard Windows VC++ ( using 240x320 window) and then simply recompile it on EVC ++ |
| 18:42.30 | warmi | kind of like qvfb on Linux |
| 18:42.34 | Neo|Work | why? |
| 18:42.39 | Neo|Work | I mean, it's not the same..? |
| 18:43.09 | treke | improved sound would be nice |
| 18:43.16 | warmi | because it is much faster to do test/change/recompile/run cycle that way |
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| 18:43.34 | chouimat|lunch | warmi: ok |
| 18:43.36 | treke | wonder if they are going to do any form of upgrade pricing |
| 18:44.17 | Neo|Work | warmi_away: but is it compatible? |
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| 18:44.49 | Neo|Work | I mean, wince has gapi and crap, does that work on x86 too? how about all the widestring crap? |
| 18:45.23 | warmi_away | well, that depends what are you doing - I have this wrapper of mine running on top |
| 18:45.34 | warmi_away | of GapiDraw and Win32 |
| 18:45.38 | warmi_away | so it works for me :-) |
| 18:45.42 | warmi_away | got to go |
| 18:45.43 | warmi_away | see you later |
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| 18:50.35 | mewyn | almost done... |
| 18:51.05 | kergoth | well then. |
| 18:51.09 | kergoth | found the shutdown/reboot bug |
| 18:51.48 | XavierXeon | in oz3rc3.1 ? |
| 18:52.23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:52.36 | XavierXeon | good :) |
| 18:52.55 | XavierXeon | i also was not able to install konqueror under that release |
| 18:53.06 | kergoth | yeah, its preinst script has bad permissions |
| 18:53.12 | kergoth | i dont maintain those packages |
| 18:53.15 | kergoth | so didnt realize |
| 18:53.32 | mewyn | kergoth: do you know if i can use modprobe.conf to automatically install modules? |
| 18:55.20 | kergoth | dunno, i dont know much about module-init-tools |
| 18:55.24 | kergoth | i still use debian's /etc/modules |
| 18:55.24 | mewyn | k |
| 18:55.32 | mewyn | i'll just put them in local for now |
| 18:55.34 | kergoth | which is a list of modules to be autoloaded on boot |
| 18:56.09 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 18:56.15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:56.59 | mewyn | hmmm? |
| 18:57.15 | yeiazel | hmmm ! |
| 18:57.19 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 18:57.21 | yeiazel | hm hm hmm ? hmm ! |
| 18:57.24 | yeiazel | hmhm :) |
| 18:57.29 | kergoth | opie was assuming the user would have /sbin in their path |
| 18:57.32 | kergoth | Bad Assumption |
| 18:57.40 | mewyn | yes |
| 18:57.56 | kergoth | it also wasnt checking for error on execlp() of shutdown |
| 18:58.44 | kergoth | i'll make it add /sbin:/usr/sbin to the path of the child process that execlp()'s shutdown |
| 18:58.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:58.55 | kergoth | er |
| 18:58.55 | kergoth | hm |
| 19:01.35 | treke | wonder which he'll go for |
| 19:01.57 | dmalloc | let`s bet |
| 19:03.46 | kergoth | hm, i'm in a coding frenzy, i need to think. tea it is. |
| 19:04.59 | treke | damn you won |
| 19:05.16 | treke | and your prize is... absolutly nothing! |
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| 19:06.48 | mewyn | woo |
| 19:06.54 | mewyn | now my gnome and kde apps have a common look and feel |
| 19:07.17 | treke | bluecurve? |
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| 19:10.31 | George- | BLEH |
| 19:10.32 | mewyn | no. keramic |
| 19:10.47 | George- | fecking annoying ADSL |
| 19:10.59 | George- | ... Linux is capping the bandwidth at 115200 |
| 19:11.04 | George- | grmbl |
| 19:11.29 | SirPsycho | serial DSL ? |
| 19:11.54 | George- | SirPsycho: no idea |
| 19:12.07 | George- | SirPsycho: the modem is connected via a dongle via the usb port |
| 19:12.34 | mark|code | George-: cool, ur on ADSL |
| 19:12.48 | George- | mark|code: yeh, 1MBit ADSL running at ISDN speeds |
| 19:12.58 | SirPsycho | i am on adsl.. i get 140K/s downloads in my browser |
| 19:13.08 | mark|code | George-: heh |
| 19:13.09 | George- | SirPsycho: lucky you. |
| 19:13.55 | SirPsycho | mine is ethernet connected tho.. |
| 19:14.09 | George- | if mine was ethernet connection I wouldn't be in this fiasco |
| 19:14.24 | SirPsycho | is it cuz of your modem? |
| 19:14.34 | George- | yes |
| 19:14.40 | George- | Windoze is going at 1Mbit |
| 19:15.08 | mark|code | George-: good old windows |
| 19:15.21 | SirPsycho | does the provider offer any other types of modems? Mine does but I told them I had windows 95 (so they wouldnt give me a usb version) |
| 19:15.23 | George- | Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean: |
| 19:15.23 | George- | Problem: all had even parity |
| 19:15.31 | George- | pppd keeps yelling that at me |
| 19:15.49 | George- | SirPsycho: not they don't |
| 19:18.13 | George- | The serial port is an RS422, capable of much higher data transfer rates. |
| 19:18.13 | George- | A USB serial port (RS422) is included in the package to allow any PC with a USB port to connect at the required speed. |
| 19:18.13 | George- | The STB requires the initial PPP conversation to occur at 115200 Kbit, then a switch to 1.5Mbit for the PPP traffic. |
| 19:18.15 | George- | Interesting |
| 19:19.17 | mark|code | George-: fun fun fun |
| 19:20.16 | George- | HELP ME!!! |
| 19:20.19 | George- | I'M STUCK!!! |
| 19:21.32 | Neo|Work | to fupping bad. :P |
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| 19:22.00 | Zarchon | My zaurus is happily flashing oz... |
| 19:22.26 | Zarchon | I assume that when the lights go out, it's done flashing? |
| 19:22.39 | dmalloc | ^yupp |
| 19:22.46 | Zarchon | coolness |
| 19:22.52 | dmalloc | how's old harvard? |
| 19:23.51 | mark|code | George-: STB? |
| 19:24.57 | George- | mark|code: set top box |
| 19:25.02 | George- | mark|code: it's streaming video as well |
| 19:25.07 | mark|code | George-: ah right, yeah |
| 19:25.12 | George- | mark|code: (video on demand) |
| 19:25.46 | mark|code | George-: yeh, its cool |
| 19:25.55 | dmalloc | George-: you are trying to use high speed PPP on linux ? |
| 19:26.06 | George- | dmalloc: no idea |
| 19:26.11 | George- | dmalloc: probably |
| 19:26.16 | dmalloc | well yous aid something about capping ;) |
| 19:26.36 | George- | dmalloc: can you help? ;) |
| 19:27.19 | dmalloc | well first of all. a) it is not linux`s fault it simply adheeres the RFC and b) you might get further my enabling the experimental featuresd of PPP in the kernel ;) c) did you google allready ? |
| 19:27.46 | dmalloc | darn.. pager.. have to run |
| 19:27.47 | dmalloc | bbl |
| 19:31.42 | George- | treke: you don't need to declare it, everybody already knows ;) |
| 19:32.15 | treke | there might be someone new |
| 19:33.19 | George- | brb |
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| 19:58.24 | sukoshi | hi |
| 19:58.36 | tacudamen | yep get here! |
| 19:58.56 | tacudamen | is this for only mac? |
| 19:59.02 | sukoshi | not here |
| 19:59.04 | warmi | the channel ? |
| 19:59.08 | tacudamen | okey this is in linux |
| 19:59.21 | warmi | this is the Zaurus PDA discussion |
| 19:59.28 | warmi | and ocasionally about French food as well |
| 19:59.29 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:59.38 | sukoshi | eheheh |
| 19:59.52 | sukoshi | do you know good apple related chan? |
| 20:00.10 | warmi | sukoshi: another one .... French onion soup - that is my another favourite |
| 20:00.14 | warmi | with lot of cheese |
| 20:00.19 | warmi | hehe |
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| 20:00.24 | sukoshi | eheheh |
| 20:00.32 | Zarchon | agh |
| 20:00.36 | sukoshi | piece of bread on top, cheese |
| 20:00.38 | warmi | sukoshi: Id on't know ... do channel list, maybe there is something on this server |
| 20:00.46 | sukoshi | ok |
| 20:00.48 | warmi | sukoshi: yeah, precisely |
| 20:01.08 | Zarchon | I've managed to install oz on my zaurus, but now I can't talk to it from the computer anymore. Does oz run an open ftp server like the older ROMs did? |
| 20:01.21 | kergoth | Zarchon: go _read_. |
| 20:01.33 | kergoth | Zarchon: openzaurus.org has faqs on syncing. read them. |
| 20:01.46 | Zarchon | very well |
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| 20:30.41 | icefox | http://www.fuckthatjob.com/ |
| 20:30.42 | icefox | haha |
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| 20:32.07 | George- | LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
| 20:32.07 | George- | Connection terminated. |
| 20:32.07 | George- | Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean: |
| 20:32.09 | George- | Problem: all had even parity |
| 20:32.11 | George- | Any idea what this means? |
| 20:38.58 | George- | TIMEOUT 3 |
| 20:38.59 | George- | VNL\sSTB\sversion\s106-~\c-VNL\sSTB\sversion\s106-~\c-VNL\sSTB\sversion\s106 |
| 20:38.59 | George- | ~BAUD4ABDE~\c BAUD1D-~BAUD4ADBE~\c-BAUD1D-~BAUD4ADBE~\c-BAUD1D |
| 20:39.04 | George- | Anyone know what that chat script does? |
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| 20:56.45 | icefox | If an infant keeps its rate of growth for several decades, soon it will be the size of giant office buildings and killing us all! |
| 20:56.49 | icefox | haha |
| 20:59.47 | mewyn | ok |
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| 21:12.51 | dmalloc | actually the infant would collapse under its own weight |
| 21:13.01 | dmalloc | :) |
| 21:13.29 | mewyn | i finally got 2.5.64 working right |
| 21:15.04 | dmalloc | mm5 or stock ? |
| 21:15.12 | mewyn | stock |
| 21:15.22 | mewyn | what's with mm5? |
| 21:15.49 | kergoth | I tried 2.5.64-mm5, worked great, minus the usb-torage not working |
| 21:15.51 | kergoth | storage |
| 21:15.55 | dmalloc | alan cox and other patches put together by aj |
| 21:16.03 | dmalloc | addds preemptiveness and other things |
| 21:16.15 | mewyn | preempt is in .64 |
| 21:16.16 | dmalloc | yes usb storage seems broken |
| 21:16.17 | kergoth | uh, preempt is in stock |
| 21:16.29 | dmalloc | yes, but not the preempt that is in mm5 |
| 21:16.30 | Twiun | evenin' |
| 21:16.44 | sukoshi | hi |
| 21:16.49 | kergoth | s/addds preemptiveness/changes preemptiveness/ |
| 21:16.53 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:17.00 | dmalloc | yaaaa *nods nods* |
| 21:17.11 | sukoshi | :) :) |
| 21:17.30 | dmalloc | damn that thing rocks ;) |
| 21:17.32 | kergoth | hrmmm |
| 21:17.35 | kergoth | what bugs to fix next |
| 21:17.39 | mewyn | z800? |
| 21:17.49 | dmalloc | localtime vs opie thing ? |
| 21:17.58 | dmalloc | mewyn: 135K IBM mainframe ,) |
| 21:18.03 | mewyn | iesh |
| 21:18.11 | kergoth | nah there are bigger issues to deal with that require less effort first |
| 21:18.18 | dmalloc | you can "boot linu Instance" and boom you have a new virtual server ;) |
| 21:18.20 | kergoth | like trying to isolate the cardctl eject hang |
| 21:19.29 | kergoth | or the fact that fsck fails to detect filesystem type, fsck.vfat bus errors.. |
| 21:19.44 | kergoth | somehow, both util-linux fdisk and busybox fdisk bus error as well |
| 21:19.59 | dmalloc | hrrm |
| 21:20.04 | kergoth | thats nonsensical |
| 21:20.12 | kergoth | its like anyone who touches a block device (other than mount) fails |
| 21:20.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:21.14 | kergoth | and the only shared lib they all access, is libc |
| 21:21.15 | kergoth | :\ |
| 21:21.30 | sukoshi | :x |
| 21:21.42 | sukoshi | did you change the libc version? |
| 21:21.42 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 21:21.51 | kergoth | nope, but this problem has always occured |
| 21:21.55 | kergoth | not newly added |
| 21:21.59 | kergoth | so it could be libc in some way |
| 21:22.07 | dmalloc | what does strace say ? |
| 21:22.11 | dmalloc | or gdb hehe ,) |
| 21:23.12 | dmalloc | oh "the exorcist directors cut" |
| 21:23.49 | sukoshi | i'll fuck your libraries !! |
| 21:23.53 | sukoshi | eheheh |
| 21:24.13 | sukoshi | get away get away from this Z ! |
| 21:24.15 | kergoth | if strace says that, we've got bigger problems |
| 21:24.16 | sukoshi | amen |
| 21:24.41 | sukoshi | let's pray brothers |
| 21:24.53 | kergoth | lets not, and say we did |
| 21:26.14 | sukoshi | lol |
| 21:26.24 | sukoshi | Blasphemy ! |
| 21:26.55 | icefox | ibot seen mandrake |
| 21:26.55 | | mandrake is currently on #zaurus |
| 21:27.18 | mandrake | I'm right here |
| 21:27.19 | mandrake | howdy |
| 21:27.26 | mandrake | I'm on aim, too |
| 21:27.35 | mandrake | that makes hideous noises when you message me so I'll always notice if I'm around :) |
| 21:28.03 | mandrake | (we use it for work stuff, so sometimes those messages are actually important) |
| 21:28.13 | noidd | irc, important? :-) |
| 21:28.27 | icefox | mandrake I am heading ot West Chester PA tomarrow |
| 21:28.32 | icefox | is that anywhere near you? |
| 21:28.46 | mandrake | er.. |
| 21:28.49 | mandrake | hold on I'll tell you |
| 21:29.03 | mandrake | nope |
| 21:29.09 | mandrake | near king of prussia and philly |
| 21:29.10 | icefox | ok |
| 21:29.16 | mandrake | that's near new jersey |
| 21:29.19 | mandrake | I'm near ohio |
| 21:29.30 | mandrake | pittsburgh is way the hell on the other side of the state |
| 21:29.37 | mandrake | aka another 5 hour drive from there :) |
| 21:29.39 | icefox | oh hehe |
| 21:29.48 | icefox | was thinking philadelphia |
| 21:29.55 | mandrake | right, I don't live near philly at all. |
| 21:30.02 | mandrake | hence why coming on a weekend is a serious trek :) |
| 21:30.13 | mandrake | that's about 10 hours in a car I have to spend |
| 21:30.18 | icefox | indeed, not just a 2 1/2 hour trek |
| 21:30.19 | mandrake | luckily I drive like a maniac |
| 21:30.56 | mandrake | http://mandrake.net/pictures/1997-bmw-850ci/ |
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| 21:31.26 | dmalloc | mandrake: nice car *nods nods* but mine is faster <grin> :) |
| 21:31.54 | dmalloc | mandrake: you need to come drive on the autobahn |
| 21:32.09 | mandrake | dmalloc: I lived in germany for a while. |
| 21:32.22 | dmalloc | mandrake: unfortunately austria has a speedlimit ;) |
| 21:32.28 | mandrake | so does germany |
| 21:32.47 | dmalloc | mandrake: no. There is no general speed limit on the autobahn. It is just limited in chosen areas ;) |
| 21:33.08 | mandrake | when I lived in Koeln I took public transit everywhere |
| 21:33.15 | mandrake | berlin, also |
| 21:33.21 | dmalloc | as soon as you see tehw hite circlewith the diagonal bar through it... vrooooom |
| 21:34.05 | mandrake | dmalloc: also, faster in what way? 0-60, 60-120, 0-120? |
| 21:34.15 | mandrake | my car sucks 0-5 |
| 21:34.22 | mandrake | but once you're rolling it hauls ass :) |
| 21:34.29 | mandrake | that's cuz it weighs 2.5 tons |
| 21:34.36 | mandrake | slow initial momentum |
| 21:34.58 | mandrake | it's a cruiser |
| 21:35.09 | dmalloc | I know it sounds like bragging and unfortunately I have no pics online, but I drive a 2001 Porsche GT3 slightly modified. |
| 21:35.16 | dmalloc | so it is an unfair comparison |
| 21:35.17 | noidd | good for long haul but lousy for round town I guess then |
| 21:35.21 | dmalloc | my dad works for Porsche |
| 21:35.27 | mandrake | dmalloc: I also have a M3 also |
| 21:35.34 | mandrake | http://mandrake.net/pictures/bmw/ |
| 21:35.47 | mandrake | 6 speed SMG |
| 21:35.48 | icefox | mandrake: thats no fun. My car tops out at maybe 115, but acc nice and quick. |
| 21:35.51 | dmalloc | so it pretty much smokes any car I know pretty well. |
| 21:36.07 | mandrake | dmalloc: I'll race you in my m3 then :) |
| 21:36.31 | mandrake | the SMG is by far the most fun fucking transmission I've ever driven |
| 21:36.32 | icefox | 6 speed.... drewl |
| 21:36.49 | mandrake | first racing tran I've ever had |
| 21:37.08 | dmalloc | mandrake: any time any day <grins> |
| 21:37.29 | dmalloc | <-- will lose |
| 21:37.32 | dmalloc | <-- is no racer |
| 21:37.40 | mandrake | hehe |
| 21:37.44 | mandrake | we have crap for tracks around here |
| 21:37.49 | dmalloc | I mean I can control the car but in the etrema it gets pretty bitchy |
| 21:37.54 | dmalloc | extrema |
| 21:38.27 | mandrake | the convertable top changes the drag of the car and slows it down a hair |
| 21:38.33 | mandrake | but it's psychotic, still |
| 21:38.52 | mandrake | I had a hell of a lot of fun driving it on the dragon's tail |
| 21:38.55 | dmalloc | mine looks a bit like this one http://www.chriscarsite.com/stats/stats.mv?porsche+gt3r |
| 21:39.04 | mandrake | way illegal what we did there ;) |
| 21:39.27 | dmalloc | mine is black though with an airbrush over the hood |
| 21:39.33 | dmalloc | and that is a 2000 model |
| 21:40.41 | mandrake | I've not taken the m3 that fast, though |
| 21:40.48 | mandrake | I think I've gone maybe 130 in it |
| 21:40.52 | mandrake | (mph) |
| 21:41.02 | dmalloc | I guess it does 0-60 in less than 3.5 but as you know we time in kilometer here. |
| 21:41.04 | mandrake | the 850 I've now taken over 160 |
| 21:41.08 | dmalloc | and as I said.. I do not drive well ;) |
| 21:41.18 | dmalloc | in racing manner that is |
| 21:41.46 | mandrake | it took a little getting used to the lack of a clutch in the m3, there are some tricks that are a little harder to do in it because of it |
| 21:42.09 | mandrake | but once I figured out how to translate my clutch manuevers into the shifter I was happy |
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| 21:44.18 | mandrake_ | gah |
| 21:44.20 | mandrake_ | the network here is fubar today |
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| 21:46.42 | George- | how do I use minicom to find out the init string of a modem? |
| 21:46.55 | kergoth | what? |
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| 21:47.08 | kergoth | you dont 'find out' the init string of a modem |
| 21:47.14 | George- | kergoth: I need to =P |
| 21:47.35 | kergoth | no, you obviously dont understand what an init string is. |
| 21:47.38 | kergoth | read your modem's documentation. |
| 21:47.57 | George- | kergoth: it's a stupid weird non standard ADSL modem |
| 21:48.26 | noidd | kergoth: I have a bug, i'm not sure if its an opie, oz bug, or user competence error :-) |
| 21:48.37 | noidd | kergoth: got a sec for me to run it past you? |
| 21:48.38 | kergoth | even so, read the manual |
| 21:48.40 | kergoth | noidd: yeah, feel free |
| 21:48.55 | Twiun | hey mark |
| 21:48.59 | George- | kergoth: havne't got a manual |
| 21:49.03 | noidd | I have Zaurus with buffalo cf card |
| 21:49.04 | kergoth | George-: good luck. |
| 21:49.14 | noidd | and Laptop with pcmcia buffalo card |
| 21:49.16 | George- | kergoth: ? |
| 21:49.19 | mark | hi Twiun |
| 21:49.26 | kergoth | noidd: ok.. |
| 21:49.26 | noidd | and I run them "ad hoc" |
| 21:49.49 | noidd | With the old wireless configutration proggie it worked fine |
| 21:50.01 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:50.08 | kergoth | old wireless configuration proggie doesnt mean anything to me |
| 21:50.09 | noidd | I set system to 'ad hoc', set essid to my essid, select dhcp and up it came |
| 21:50.12 | noidd | now, nothing |
| 21:50.34 | kergoth | iwconfig wlan0 |
| 21:50.38 | kergoth | is the essid correct? |
| 21:50.41 | kergoth | mode adhoc? |
| 21:50.52 | noidd | lemme reset the machine - i ended up setting it manually - one tic |
| 21:50.59 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:51.02 | kergoth | setting it manually works? |
| 21:51.03 | noidd | (using iwconfig) |
| 21:51.06 | noidd | yes it doed |
| 21:51.07 | noidd | does |
| 21:51.13 | kergoth | okay, does editing wireless.opts work? |
| 21:51.16 | noidd | ie, iwconfig wlan0 essid myessid |
| 21:51.20 | kergoth | edit it as appropriate |
| 21:51.22 | noidd | ifconfig wlan0 etc etc etc |
| 21:51.26 | kergoth | then eject and reinsert adn see if it comes up |
| 21:51.32 | noidd | lemme try that |
| 21:51.38 | noidd | will take me 10 mins etc |
| 21:51.42 | kergoth | now by comes up, there are two pieces |
| 21:51.48 | kergoth | 1) iwconfig wlan0, confirm is correct |
| 21:51.53 | kergoth | 2) ifconfig wlan0, confirm its correct |
| 21:52.54 | mewyn | re warmi |
| 21:52.58 | warmi | re |
| 21:53.41 | warmi | mewyn: been outside recently ? |
| 21:53.43 | warmi | how is it ? |
| 21:53.52 | mewyn | beautiful a few hours ago |
| 21:53.56 | noidd | I assume then that the gui just edits that file then ctdctl eject, insert etc |
| 21:53.57 | warmi | good |
| 21:54.01 | warmi | so they weren't laying |
| 21:54.02 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:54.29 | warmi | lying, that is |
| 21:54.35 | kergoth | noidd: yep |
| 21:54.42 | kergoth | noidd: so the question is, is the gui not editing wireless.opts correct |
| 21:54.48 | kergoth | noidd: or is it in the base system |
| 21:54.53 | noidd | ok, i'll deduce that now |
| 21:55.00 | kergoth | k |
| 21:55.12 | George- | fucking adsl |
| 21:55.23 | noidd | who is your adsl provider George? |
| 21:55.33 | warmi | George-: no, adsl is a good thing ... |
| 21:55.40 | George- | noidd: home choice |
| 21:56.17 | noidd | who the hell are they? |
| 21:56.39 | George- | noidd: basically, I've worked out that it's a modem connected via a serial link to the USB port, that starts off by dialing up at 115200 bps, then a chat script is executed to tell the thing to upgrade the speed to 1.5Mbps then stty changes the speed at this end to 1.5Mbps |
| 21:56.42 | George- | noidd: it's a uk company |
| 21:56.58 | George- | unfortunately, the chat script doesn't like me |
| 21:57.12 | warmi | a chat script ? |
| 21:57.29 | warmi | so you are using some sort of ppp ? |
| 21:57.32 | George- | warmi: yes |
| 21:57.40 | George- | warmi: standard ppp by the looks of it |
| 21:57.53 | George- | warmi: it's a fucking weird modem |
| 21:58.05 | warmi | why not a router/modem that you plug into your local network |
| 21:58.06 | noidd | you have the stingray usb shite thing? |
| 21:58.08 | warmi | dmalloc: yeah |
| 21:58.18 | George- | noidd: no, I have a proprietry thing |
| 21:58.37 | warmi | oh well ... then you have to check this kind of stuff beforehand |
| 21:58.48 | George- | warmi: I'm seriously considering getting an ethernet modem |
| 21:58.57 | warmi | I would never consider anything else |
| 21:59.06 | noidd | ok, reset zaurus - doing GUI thing |
| 21:59.58 | warmi | a standard modem/router that plugs into your network + static ip + no firewall/closed ports << that is my basic requirment when shoping for a broadband provider |
| 22:00.13 | yeiaway | ugly |
| 22:00.21 | yeiaway | a modem/router ? |
| 22:00.25 | yeiaway | it sucks |
| 22:00.33 | yeiaway | a modem + a linux router box |
| 22:00.43 | warmi | yeiaway: well, whatever you want to call it - it is basicaly a gateway |
| 22:00.51 | warmi | which then plugs into my Linux nat box |
| 22:01.26 | noidd | George: make / model? |
| 22:01.34 | warmi | so yeah, I do use Linux as my web/email/ftp server and also as a nat machine that forwards everything into my internal network |
| 22:02.02 | warmi | so do I |
| 22:02.07 | warmi | and that's what I have |
| 22:02.10 | George- | noidd: make: unknown, model: unknown |
| 22:02.19 | noidd | I'm re-flashing the Z to make absolutely certain that there are no remaining configurations |
| 22:02.20 | yeiaway | then the modem should not be router :) |
| 22:02.26 | Twiun | George-: any numbers/stickers anywhere on the thing? |
| 22:02.42 | noidd | George: use Andrews and Arnold instead - www.aa.nu |
| 22:02.46 | yeiaway | Neo|Work: cause I wanna sleep |
| 22:02.49 | yeiaway | oops |
| 22:02.50 | noidd | theyre the best adsl isp in the country :-) |
| 22:02.58 | yeiaway | nessie: cause I wanna sleep |
| 22:03.02 | George- | Twiun: no |
| 22:03.11 | Twiun | George-: not even an FCC number? |
| 22:03.15 | dmalloc | oooh sexy. my water cooling set arrives monday ;) |
| 22:03.18 | George- | Twiun: do you honestly think I haven't checked? ;) |
| 22:03.20 | warmi | well, whatever you wanna call it - I don't care , they call it a router |
| 22:03.22 | George- | Twiun: hrmm, hang on |
| 22:03.24 | dmalloc | finally no more annoying sound from fans |
| 22:03.31 | Twiun | George-: sounds like it's time to open it up otherwise |
| 22:03.53 | George- | no fcc num,ber |
| 22:03.59 | George- | Twiun: I'm not opening it up |
| 22:04.20 | Twiun | George-: how about posting up a picture of it? maybe we can recognise it |
| 22:04.39 | noidd | George: well, does it split out ethernet, usb, serial? wot? |
| 22:04.51 | George- | Twiun: you won't ;) |
| 22:05.00 | George- | Twiun: it's custom made by homechoice |
| 22:05.06 | George- | Twiun: I think it's their own design |
| 22:05.12 | George- | Twiun: it's a so called "set top box" |
| 22:05.19 | noidd | George: well, does it split out ethernet, usb, serial? wot? |
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| 22:06.33 | George- | noidd: RS442 or something |
| 22:06.49 | noidd | urg |
| 22:06.57 | noidd | Yuck |
| 22:07.08 | George- | The serial port is an RS422, capable of much higher data transfer rates. |
| 22:07.09 | George- | A USB serial port (RS422) is included in the package to allow any PC with a USB port to connect at the required speed. |
| 22:07.09 | George- | The STB requires the initial PPP conversation to occur at 115200 Kbit, then a switch to 1.5Mbit for the PPP traffic. |
| 22:07.42 | noidd | does it terminate on a USB plug? |
| 22:07.52 | George- | ? |
| 22:10.51 | warmi | George-: what a friging mess .. |
| 22:10.53 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:11.01 | mark | George-: i know someone who knows someone who works there, if you are *really* desperate, and you get me a specific question, i'll try and find out the answre for you |
| 22:11.53 | George- | mark: fuck that ;) |
| 22:12.01 | warmi | hah |
| 22:12.17 | mark | charming.. |
| 22:12.20 | warmi | George-: you have to a bit more diplomatic :=-) |
| 22:12.43 | warmi | especially when someone offers you a helping hand |
| 22:12.43 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:12.45 | noidd | I dunno, someone offers you help and you throw their help back in their face :-P |
| 22:12.49 | mark | warmi: yeh, its nice, i volunteer him a favour and i get 'fuck that' back |
| 22:13.42 | George- | hrmm |
| 22:14.31 | mark | warmi: and there was I thinking i was being nice |
| 22:16.35 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:19.00 | warmi | chouimat: are you at work ? |
| 22:20.44 | chouimat | warmi: yes |
| 22:21.14 | George- | aha |
| 22:21.26 | George- | perhaps I should boot into winbloze and try to intercept all the calls it makes |
| 22:22.41 | noidd | kergoth: I have the answer for you |
| 22:23.06 | noidd | it does edit the wireless.opts file - however |
| 22:23.15 | George- | bbl |
| 22:23.43 | noidd | when I sekect the eject card applet, and select the wireless card to eject - the machine hangs, hard |
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| 22:25.26 | noidd | it does set the essid |
| 22:26.02 | noidd | but doessnt get the address from dhcp |
| 22:26.05 | kergoth | okay, the cardctl eject hang is known |
| 22:26.21 | kergoth | i cant repro it, but people are seeing it |
| 22:26.29 | kergoth | apparently if you ifdown wlan0 first, then cardctl eject wont hang |
| 22:26.43 | noidd | ok, thanks |
| 22:27.17 | noidd | which configuration file does it tell oz to use dhcp to get ip address etc? |
| 22:27.26 | dmalloc | noidd: does your woreless access point use MAC address filtering ? |
| 22:27.30 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.45 | kergoth | controls every network interface in OZ |
| 22:27.53 | kergoth | dmalloc: he's using adhoc |
| 22:28.03 | dmalloc | oh adhoc ;) |
| 22:28.24 | noidd | yeah - says iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 22:28.32 | noidd | which looks promising |
| 22:28.48 | kergoth | noidd: is udhcpc being started? |
| 22:29.00 | noidd | should that process be running now? |
| 22:29.13 | kergoth | after card insertion, yes |
| 22:29.19 | noidd | yes - its running |
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| 22:31.42 | NetAmp | howdee |
| 22:31.50 | NetAmp | cowboyz |
| 22:31.50 | noidd | and I see the dchp request in my servers logfile |
| 22:31.53 | NetAmp | whazzaaaaa |
| 22:31.53 | warmi | hi NetAmp |
| 22:31.55 | NetAmp | :D |
| 22:32.08 | NetAmp | I see rc3.1 is actually released :D |
| 22:32.12 | NetAmp | how is it? |
| 22:32.13 | noidd | I get discover, offer, request, pack |
| 22:32.48 | kergoth | NetAmp: its wonderful, you want it. it'll make your life complete |
| 22:32.50 | kergoth | NetAmp: :D |
| 22:32.59 | noidd | ah, third eject, insert and it came up |
| 22:33.09 | NetAmp | kergoth: WOW! That's what they say on Home Shopping also! |
| 22:33.13 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 22:34.10 | NetAmp | So kergoth how's your schedule |
| 22:34.12 | noidd | I'll continue to play with it |
| 22:34.14 | warmi | the difference is that they are lying and kergoth is not |
| 22:34.19 | noidd | if I can find any clues - i'll let you know |
| 22:34.25 | kergoth | warmi: exactly! |
| 22:34.25 | NetAmp | did this release take off some pressure or is it even more hectic? |
| 22:34.26 | kergoth | heeh |
| 22:34.31 | kergoth | NetAmp: more hectic |
| 22:34.35 | NetAmp | ouch |
| 22:34.36 | noidd | if its not something you can replicate - its gonna be impossible for you to diagnose without esp |
| 22:34.48 | kergoth | noidd: indeed |
| 22:34.49 | NetAmp | (when I was thinking it couldn't GET more hectic possibly) |
| 22:34.58 | kergoth | NetAmp: it can always get more hectic |
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| 22:35.10 | NetAmp | yah just like in the Matrix I guess :S |
| 22:35.27 | noidd | afk a while :-) |
| 22:35.37 | noidd | thanks kergoth for your patience as ever - its appreciated |
| 22:35.49 | NetAmp | hmz.. I guess I'll toss a coin to decide whether I'll try rc3.1 |
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| 22:36.10 | noidd | NetAmp: Heads you do, Tails you do |
| 22:36.20 | NetAmp | prob'ly not much to lose, I'm on rc1 and internet doesn't work anyway |
| 22:36.20 | warmi | NetAmp: are you going to upgrade your 5500 to either 5600 or c 700 any time soon ? |
| 22:36.25 | NetAmp | so that's one thing I can't mess up ;) |
| 22:36.35 | NetAmp | ow |
| 22:36.41 | NetAmp | that way... |
| 22:36.42 | NetAmp | nope |
| 22:36.44 | NetAmp | not me |
| 22:37.04 | NetAmp | I'm a student you know, not like there's a Euro tree growing in the back garden :S |
| 22:37.46 | warmi | are you sure you checked that garden ? |
| 22:37.46 | NetAmp | it's quite a bit of a luxury problem to add a new Zaurus to my gadget collection now ;) |
| 22:37.54 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 22:38.01 | NetAmp | hah! over and over again... and I KEEP watering the grass |
| 22:38.11 | NetAmp | but no luck |
| 22:38.29 | warmi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.30 | warmi | heh |
| 22:38.35 | NetAmp | hehe ;) |
| 22:38.38 | NetAmp | actually I couldn't resist getting a laptop a while ago.. |
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| 22:38.59 | warmi | I guess that women which I paid $50 for that secret was lying after all |
| 22:39.00 | NetAmp | and that does hit hard on ones bank account balance you know :S |
| 22:39.20 | NetAmp | yeah... them stuupid fortune tellers, lame |
| 22:39.29 | NetAmp | haha |
| 22:39.33 | warmi | laptop: yeah, you can get a laptop for about $400 these days |
| 22:39.48 | warmi | uh .. I mean NetAmp: not laptop: |
| 22:40.19 | NetAmp | hmm maybe... mine was like 1600 euros so that hurts |
| 22:40.51 | NetAmp | that took months of work saving together |
| 22:41.08 | warmi | what brand was that laptop ? |
| 22:41.15 | NetAmp | oh well I love it, even though it's a bit noisy, the cooler fans |
| 22:41.21 | NetAmp | brand is Targa, from Germany |
| 22:42.03 | warmi | ah ok |
| 22:42.17 | NetAmp | they sell in U.K. too I believe |
| 22:42.24 | NetAmp | probably not US |
| 22:42.33 | warmi | no |
| 22:42.44 | NetAmp | anyone here has experience with notebook backpacks? |
| 22:42.54 | warmi | I have never seen German piece of hardware in US |
| 22:43.07 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 22:43.11 | warmi | I ordered one just recently |
| 22:43.16 | NetAmp | I find a single shoulderstrap bag annoying, I wanna get a backpack |
| 22:43.26 | warmi | that's what I ordered |
| 22:43.32 | NetAmp | like Case Logic CNB1 to be exact ;) |
| 22:43.42 | NetAmp | it's sweeeeeet... at least on the picture |
| 22:44.09 | NetAmp | http://www.casedirect.com/images/p682x.jpg |
| 22:44.12 | NetAmp | that one :D |
| 22:44.42 | warmi | yeah, sort of like that one - except mine is not as rounded at the top as this one is |
| 22:44.49 | NetAmp | it fits 15" |
| 22:44.55 | NetAmp | well it's cool anyway |
| 22:44.58 | warmi | it was like $50 or so |
| 22:45.05 | NetAmp | I could fit my college books into that kind of bag |
| 22:45.12 | warmi | anyway, my company paid for this anyway |
| 22:45.18 | NetAmp | way cool |
| 22:45.22 | warmi | yeah, it works pretty well |
| 22:45.24 | NetAmp | I'll beg my boss :P |
| 22:45.36 | NetAmp | puhleaazzze gimme a bag |
| 22:45.37 | warmi | how much is that CNB1 ? |
| 22:45.43 | NetAmp | 63 euros |
| 22:45.47 | NetAmp | or $ 79.95 |
| 22:45.54 | NetAmp | http://www.casedirect.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?GENO=&&GENH=1&GEND=11&GENW=13&FNM=98&UID=2002092314050137&T1=12+CNB+1+K&UREQB=6&UREQC=7&UREQD=2# |
| 22:46.03 | NetAmp | from CaseDirect anyway |
| 22:46.21 | warmi | yeah, just like main + the usual Europan tax |
| 22:46.23 | warmi | :-) |
| 22:46.27 | NetAmp | I'm gonna call Case Logic Netherlands to check other retail points |
| 22:46.39 | NetAmp | :) |
| 22:47.22 | NetAmp | and after that |
| 22:47.33 | NetAmp | just a long leather coat and rimless sunglasses |
| 22:47.46 | NetAmp | and I'll feel all Matrix-like |
| 22:47.55 | NetAmp | (now that's scary isn't it) |
| 22:48.01 | warmi | http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=281611 |
| 22:48.04 | warmi | that is what I have |
| 22:48.13 | NetAmp | sweet! |
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| 22:49.10 | warmi | a long leather coat ? |
| 22:49.14 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:49.19 | NetAmp | yah |
| 22:49.22 | NetAmp | and these http://www.asseenonscreen.com/images/prods/2ACSU0035/image1l.JPG |
| 22:50.22 | warmi | you forgot about that http://www.shotgunworld.com/1100spfd.jpg |
| 22:50.29 | NetAmp | wheeeeee |
| 22:50.31 | NetAmp | LOL |
| 22:51.10 | NetAmp | http://www1.kcn.ne.jp/~sskhts/SF/weapon/weapon/Beretta%209mm%2092FS-SD1.gif |
| 22:51.31 | warmi | yeah, that looks more stylish |
| 22:51.33 | warmi | you are rigth |
| 22:51.36 | NetAmp | haha |
| 22:51.42 | NetAmp | or I'm twisted |
| 22:51.48 | NetAmp | we'll probably never know... |
| 22:51.50 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 22:53.22 | warmi | yeah: this is what I got :http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976308496.htm |
| 22:53.41 | NetAmp | haha |
| 22:54.11 | mark | as anyone seen "bowling for columbine" |
| 22:54.18 | dmalloc | <-- allergic against guns |
| 22:54.21 | NetAmp | You can yell "It's coming right for us!" and shoot something |
| 22:54.25 | dmalloc | which is rather funny in itself |
| 22:54.27 | NetAmp | like in South Park |
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| 22:54.37 | NetAmp | allergic against guns? |
| 22:54.56 | NetAmp | like you sneeze when someone points a gun at you? |
| 22:55.03 | dmalloc | yes. I dislike them very very much, which is kinda ironic, because I spent 8 years of my life in a special force |
| 22:55.09 | NetAmp | oh.. |
| 22:55.10 | warmi | mark: bowing for columbine is as much about every day america as a movie about neonazis would be about current Germany |
| 22:56.00 | mark | warmi: the giving away free guns when opening a bank account amused me somehwat |
| 22:56.05 | warmi | I been in us for the last 10 years and I have never ever seen anyone carrying a gun in public ( not counting police etc ) |
| 22:56.14 | mark | warmi: but sure, not all americans go round shooting each other :) |
| 22:56.40 | warmi | mark: nah ... that movie was made by a far left dude who is known for doing stunts like that |
| 22:57.19 | mark | warmi: by stunts, do you mean framing it? |
| 22:58.18 | warmi | I mean, he has an agenda .. |
| 22:58.22 | dmalloc | mark: no, but he is very critical when it comes tot he whole NRA she bang |
| 22:59.00 | mark | warmi: oh right, yes, evidently so |
| 22:59.27 | warmi | given good directing you could make a believable movie presenting germans as bunch of neonazis .. |
| 22:59.30 | warmi | this kind of stuff |
| 23:00.19 | warmi | for example in Chicago you can't even get a permit for a gun anymore |
| 23:00.31 | warmi | or rather handgun |
| 23:01.11 | warmi | of course, I mean in places like Nevada you will see guys driving around with guns in their pick-up trucks but that is more of an exception than a rule |
| 23:02.13 | NetAmp | I'll just carry a water pistol then |
| 23:02.19 | mark | warmi: he did get that NRA guy in somewhat of a twist |
| 23:02.46 | dmalloc | warmi: I can only speak from a europeans point of view (event hough I lived in the US) and I do think there are issues in the US with guns, but they ar emore psychological in nature, not laws that need changing. |
| 23:03.04 | dmalloc | mark: he is a talented author and journalist ;) |
| 23:03.38 | warmi | dmalloc: well, shit like columbine happens everywhere ... just recently something like that happened in Germany and in Switzerland |
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| 23:04.14 | dmalloc | well I never have seen a sniper shooting out of a car at random people in 40 years anywhere in europe ;) |
| 23:04.23 | dmalloc | but that might be an extreme example |
| 23:04.28 | NetAmp | yah it's just us humans who are wrong |
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| 23:05.05 | warmi | dmalloc: just because you never seen that in Europe doesn't mean it can't happen there - same was said about shoolkids shooting each other and look what happened in one of German schools |
| 23:05.07 | NetAmp | people should just play 3D shooter games and C&C Generals instead |
| 23:05.15 | kergoth | mmm c&c generals |
| 23:05.24 | NetAmp | :) |
| 23:05.41 | NetAmp | EA should do a Zaurus port |
| 23:05.41 | warmi | kergoth: unless you have a kicj ass graphic crad , you can forget about that game |
| 23:05.59 | warmi | I bought it and it plays like crap on my 1 GHZ box |
| 23:06.08 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 23:06.19 | NetAmp | yeah... |
| 23:06.23 | NetAmp | I wonder about Doom III |
| 23:06.32 | dmalloc | warmi: it is nearly impossible to aquire a high speed precision rifle in europe, so I think the chances are smaller though. |
| 23:06.39 | treke | Doom III will run like crap on everyone's machines |
| 23:06.43 | warmi | NetAmp: oh .. that will need a frigging mainframe |
| 23:06.47 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 23:06.53 | mark | it happened here (uk) too |
| 23:06.57 | kergoth | warmi: its tolerable on my 1ghz tbird + old as dirt tnt2 |
| 23:07.02 | treke | Carmack's job wouldnt be done if anyone could run it |
| 23:07.16 | dmalloc | heheh a fish named wanda is a cool movie |
| 23:07.36 | NetAmp | John Cleese rocks |
| 23:07.41 | warmi | dmalloc: that's diferent - it is more of a issue with social problems than availability of guns- guns were widely available in US since ... well, since the beginning |
| 23:08.02 | warmi | kergoth: yeah, but you are not running it at 1280x1024 , are you ? |
| 23:08.07 | kergoth | nope |
| 23:08.17 | kergoth | just go into the options |
| 23:08.19 | kergoth | drop the rez |
| 23:08.30 | warmi | yeah, I know - but I don't want to play a RTS game like that |
| 23:08.31 | kergoth | game is still playable, just cant see as much of your base |
| 23:08.38 | warmi | I got used to playing at 1280x1024 :-) |
| 23:08.42 | kergoth | bah |
| 23:08.43 | NetAmp | 3D Mark 2003 runs crappy too |
| 23:08.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:08.49 | kergoth | I need a new machine |
| 23:10.23 | NetAmp | my laptop was like a toaster running 3D Mark |
| 23:10.40 | NetAmp | and my desktop machine wouldn't even run it |
| 23:10.49 | NetAmp | it's got a GeForce 4 MX |
| 23:11.18 | warmi | I going to get ATI |
| 23:11.21 | warmi | 9700 pro |
| 23:11.25 | NetAmp | sweet! |
| 23:11.25 | warmi | for my next box |
| 23:11.35 | warmi | you can get one for about $150 |
| 23:12.12 | NetAmp | my laptop has a 9000 onboard, it drains the battery when I play Unreal II ;-) |
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| 23:13.35 | NetAmp | it won't run the Nature test on 3DMark |
| 23:13.40 | NetAmp | that one's EXTREME! |
| 23:14.09 | NetAmp | You should try it on that 9700 pro ;-) |
| 23:14.29 | warmi | dmalloc: yeah, "wanda ..." was great - check out this one as well -> http://us.imdb.com/Title?0208092 |
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| 23:15.48 | dmalloc | warmi: hehe yeah and Dogma.. I love that movie |
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| 23:18.35 | warmi | alright time for me |
| 23:18.38 | warmi | see you later |
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| 23:20.44 | Titeuf | re |
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| 23:29.54 | NetAmp | yeah Dogma rocks |
| 23:30.14 | Zarchon | Does anyone use a Mac to interface with their zaurus? |
| 23:30.20 | NetAmp | I gotta get some sleep |
| 23:30.21 | dmalloc | Zarchon:yes |
| 23:30.30 | dmalloc | New 15" powerbook |
| 23:30.38 | NetAmp | cool :D |
| 23:30.48 | Zarchon | You use the AJUsb adapter driver? |
| 23:31.01 | Zarchon | AJZaurusUsb, that is |
| 23:31.04 | dmalloc | Zarchon: I dowbnloaded some patches form teh net and compiled them. |
| 23:31.11 | dmalloc | no idea what they are ;) |
| 23:31.48 | Zarchon | Do you know where you downloaded them from? |
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| 23:32.17 | Zarchon | Or, perhaps more importantly, have you updated to oz 3.0, or are you using the ROM that sharp shipped you? |
| 23:32.46 | dmalloc | I am running 3.1rc2 |
| 23:33.03 | Zarchon | hmm |
| 23:33.06 | dmalloc | I googled and took the first link or so |
| 23:33.40 | Zarchon | yah, that's the one I took |
| 23:33.58 | Zarchon | Did you have any problems with it? It's caused my mac to crash a couple of times, and has now ceased to work. |
| 23:35.41 | Zarchon | damn. it turns out there's a thread on handhelds.org on this problem. No solution in sight. |
| 23:36.24 | dmalloc | Zarchon: actually I have not synched to the Mac in a few days now.. so I guess I am not really help at all ;) |
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| 23:36.50 | Zarchon | well, it's encouraging that it's worked for someone else at least once |
| 23:37.58 | Zarchon | any idea on how I might pssibly *uninstall* the driver and start again from scratch? |
| 23:38.59 | dmalloc | as I remeber it is a kext right ? |
| 23:39.07 | Zarchon | yup |
| 23:39.21 | dmalloc | that is nothing ore than a module, you can load, unload it at runtime |
| 23:39.50 | dmalloc | kextunload |
| 23:39.58 | dmalloc | http://www.hmug.org/man/8/kextunload.html |
| 23:40.14 | Zarchon | ahhh, cool. |
| 23:40.19 | dmalloc | http://www.hmug.org/man/8/kextstat.html also important |
| 23:40.37 | Zarchon | I'm a recent migrant to Mac from linux, so I don't know all the BSDisms |
| 23:40.40 | Zarchon | :-) |
| 23:41.07 | Zarchon | rtfm'ing now... :-) |
| 23:44.08 | Zarchon | hmm, a validation failure... |
| 23:47.07 | Zarchon | Are *all* the files associated with a kernel extension (module) located in /System/Library/Extension/modulename? If so, can I, by deleting these files, reinstall cleanly, or is this likely to be (have been, heh) a bad Idea? :-) |
| 23:47.29 | dmalloc | they should be all located there, yes. |
| 23:47.56 | Zarchon | hmm |
| 23:49.12 | Zarchon | okie, let's try this... brb |
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| 23:54.58 | Zarchon | well that didn't work |
| 23:55.13 | Zarchon | There must be something wrong with my installation at this point |
| 23:55.24 | Zarchon | attempting to load the module gives me: |
| 23:55.33 | Zarchon | kernel extension AJZaurusUSB.kext has problems: |
| 23:55.38 | Zarchon | Validation failures |
| 23:55.45 | Zarchon | "Kext has a kernel dependency prior to version 6.0 and CFBundleVersion does not match executable's MODULE_VERSION" = true |
| 23:57.43 | dmalloc | Zarchon try #opendarwin they might be able to help |
| 23:57.58 | dmalloc | or check that string on google |
| 23:58.09 | Zarchon | yah. I think I may have tracked it down |
| 23:58.16 | Zarchon | It's probably just that I didn't clean it up entirely |
| 23:58.29 | Zarchon | I found a /Library/Receipts/AJZaurusUSB file |
| 23:58.53 | dmalloc | you are running 10.2.4 ? |
| 23:59.01 | dmalloc | maybe this was written for 10.1 and that causes it |
| 23:59.08 | dmalloc | or cfbundleversion got updated |
| 23:59.18 | Zarchon | hopefully not. I'm running the latest and greatest |
| 23:59.40 | Zarchon | but that'd be odd, because I didn't change that between upgrading the zaurus |
