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| 00:25.07 | Burrito | hi |
| 00:25.21 | Burrito | damn. I can't connect Z to the PC |
| 00:25.26 | Burrito | grr |
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| 00:25.42 | Burrito | I can't configure a static ip address on Z |
| 00:25.49 | Burrito | oz |
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| 00:33.42 | treke | hey manrake |
| 00:33.45 | treke | mandrake |
| 00:33.53 | mandrake | howdy |
| 00:34.12 | treke | mandrake: did you ever release the app you did for the developer contest? |
| 00:34.54 | mandrake | good question. |
| 00:35.06 | mandrake | I put up an entry into the contest |
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| 00:37.01 | mr_woody | mandrake: what was the app? |
| 00:37.37 | Pendalar | the buffer is what you wish to seek my child, left to you own implementation or the compilers, it makes no difference |
| 00:37.51 | Pendalar | s/you/your *sigh* |
| 00:37.53 | mandrake | it's a text reader |
| 00:37.59 | mandrake | it speaks text aloud to you |
| 00:39.16 | Neo|Work | mandrake: going to release it for the zauurs? |
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| 00:39.32 | mandrake | Neo|Work: I wrote it for the zaurus initially. |
| 00:39.41 | mandrake | I've ported it to X, win32, WinCE |
| 00:39.50 | sukoshi | mandrake: where can i find your software? |
| 00:39.54 | mandrake | (not using Qt) |
| 00:40.01 | Neo|Work | mandrake: right but it was never released. :P |
| 00:40.06 | Neo|Work | or was it? |
| 00:40.07 | mandrake | that app isn't for download right now |
| 00:40.17 | mandrake | Neo|Work: we submitted it to the contest, we still put it in with our sdk |
| 00:40.45 | mandrake | we were trying to get sharp to bundle our software with the nextgen zaurii |
| 00:40.58 | mandrake | (our synthesizer, not the reader) |
| 00:41.02 | mandrake | the reader is just a demo app, really |
| 00:41.13 | Neo|Work | mandrake: only problem is size |
| 00:41.16 | sheenmaster | mandrake: I'd like to see OZ on the next gen ones |
| 00:41.24 | sheenmaster | mandrake: I'd also like as much ram as the second gen |
| 00:41.31 | Neo|Work | Here's one: I'd like to see nextgens in general |
| 00:41.44 | chouimat | nextgens?? |
| 00:42.10 | sheenmaster | chouimat: next generation zauruses |
| 00:42.31 | sheenmaster | chouimat: 5000=generation(0), 55000=generation(1), etc |
| 00:42.45 | chouimat | ok |
| 00:42.56 | treke | sheenmaster: 5500 and 5000 are pretty much the same generation |
| 00:43.27 | sheenmaster | treke: pretty much |
| 00:43.50 | sheenmaster | treke: but I find it funny that the first ones and the absolute latest ones are low on ram |
| 00:44.16 | Neo|Work | sheenmaster: again, for the average consumer, the amount of ram in the newer ones is the same |
| 00:44.22 | treke | but they made up for it by moving your storage. So in practic you have the same amount of ram |
| 00:44.24 | Neo|Work | while on the other hand the storage is persistent |
| 00:44.25 | Neo|Work | not a downgrade |
| 00:44.42 | treke | it's only a downgrade on paper or openzaurus |
| 00:45.02 | sheenmaster | treke: I use OZ, and I use the extra ram. |
| 00:45.19 | sheenmaster | brb, need more caffeine |
| 00:45.27 | treke | then dont buy a 5600 :) |
| 00:46.49 | Burrito | fluxbox runx on tinyx ? |
| 00:47.37 | treke | maybe |
| 00:47.40 | treke | try compiling it |
| 00:47.56 | sheenmaster | treke: did ram affect the production cost that much? |
| 00:48.20 | treke | sheenmaster: beats the hell out of me. i dont know what the production costs are |
| 00:49.21 | sukoshi | New zaurii really lacks memory |
| 00:49.34 | sukoshi | 860kb left just after a fresh reboot ! |
| 00:49.46 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: buy a damn SD card |
| 00:49.54 | sukoshi | i've got one |
| 00:50.05 | sukoshi | 128mb |
| 00:50.15 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: then why store to rom? |
| 00:50.16 | sukoshi | i mean RAM not flash |
| 00:50.23 | krezel | QDicts are of a static size, correct? They don't grow as extra pairs are added to them? |
| 00:50.38 | sukoshi | sheenmaster: i've got a B500 |
| 00:50.58 | sukoshi | there is only 860kb of free ram memory on it |
| 00:51.12 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: fun, but my (second) 5600 has more ram |
| 00:51.24 | sukoshi | us one? |
| 00:51.35 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: yes |
| 00:51.47 | sukoshi | maybe the japanese input explains the difference |
| 00:52.01 | sukoshi | there is a whole jp dictionnary behind... |
| 00:52.32 | sukoshi | does sharp usa released update for 5600? |
| 00:53.10 | sukoshi | what is your rom version? |
| 00:53.35 | treke | sheenmaster: where did you find a 5600? |
| 00:53.45 | sheenmaster | treke: typo |
| 00:53.51 | sheenmaster | treke: meant 5500 |
| 00:53.59 | treke | ah |
| 00:54.06 | sukoshi | ok that's different |
| 00:54.08 | sheenmaster | treke: half the speed and twice the ram. Why the hell do I have to choose!? |
| 00:54.21 | sukoshi | lol |
| 00:54.33 | sukoshi | autonomy's better ;) |
| 00:54.54 | sukoshi | chouimat|supper: bon appetit |
| 00:57.24 | Neo|Work | sukoshi: dude, don't preload so much shit |
| 00:57.47 | sukoshi | Neo|Work: nothing is preloaded |
| 00:57.58 | Neo|Work | sukoshi: the B500/C700/5600 has the exact same amount of USABLE ram as 5500 |
| 00:58.02 | sukoshi | i disabled all default preloads |
| 00:58.05 | Neo|Work | i.e about 32 MB or so |
| 00:58.29 | Neo|Work | and I assume you're not including cached/buffered memory in the "amount free"? |
| 00:58.38 | Neo|Work | I seriously doubt there's only 600 KB left for user apps |
| 00:59.15 | sheenmaster | my jukebox server survives on 24mb, but it has 1gb of cache and only three duties to perform |
| 00:59.46 | sheenmaster | (music playing, web serving (remote control), and ftp access(for posting more music)) |
| 00:59.59 | sukoshi | total used free buffers |
| 01:00.03 | sheenmaster | swap, not cache |
| 01:00.18 | sheenmaster | lol, I won't how long a cf card would last as cache |
| 01:00.26 | sukoshi | 29888 19964 9924 40 |
| 01:00.43 | sukoshi | because i have a swapfile of 6mb on my cf |
| 01:00.43 | Neo|Work | sukoshi: doesn't include cached.. |
| 01:00.56 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: that will kill the cf card |
| 01:00.57 | Neo|Work | cat /proc/meminfo instead |
| 01:01.02 | sukoshi | ok |
| 01:01.11 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: those things can only be rewritten a few thousand times |
| 01:01.12 | Neo|Work | sheenmaster: eventually. :P I do it occasionally when running gdb mainly |
| 01:01.38 | sukoshi | i know i know, but 8mb are cheap;) |
| 01:01.42 | Neo|Work | the 'free' in busybox is missing the -/+ buffers line which is very useful |
| 01:01.57 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: lol, I thought you were using 6mb of a 128mb card or something |
| 01:02.04 | sukoshi | free = 10166272 |
| 01:02.36 | sukoshi | sheenmaster: sd = 128mb / i own a special swapdedicated 8mb cf |
| 01:02.48 | sukoshi | memfree 9928 |
| 01:03.13 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: I have a 128mb cf and a 256mb sd |
| 01:03.15 | Neo|Work | sukoshi: again, look at the Cached and Buffered lines |
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| 01:03.32 | LordDavon | Hello everyone |
| 01:03.36 | Neo|Work | MemFree: 13632 kB <-- on my desktop |
| 01:03.38 | Neo|Work | however |
| 01:03.44 | Neo|Work | Buffers: 58780 kB |
| 01:03.44 | Neo|Work | Cached: 94172 kB |
| 01:03.45 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: eventually, I'll complete my Zaurus/scsi scheme |
| 01:03.53 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: 60gb of swap!!!!!! |
| 01:03.53 | Neo|Work | so in relaity I have 166548M free |
| 01:03.59 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: I'll show you all!!!! |
| 01:04.19 | sukoshi | Neo|Work: after unswapping : |
| 01:04.24 | Neo|Work | Swap: 7606616 372856 7233760 |
| 01:04.24 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.27 | sukoshi | memtotal = 29888 |
| 01:04.36 | sukoshi | memfree 5656 |
| 01:04.42 | sukoshi | buffers 52kb |
| 01:04.49 | sukoshi | cached 8020 |
| 01:04.57 | Neo|Work | so you have about 13 MB free then |
| 01:05.00 | Neo|Work | almost 14 |
| 01:05.04 | sukoshi | yup :) |
| 01:05.04 | Neo|Work | still not a heck of a whole lot |
| 01:05.09 | Neo|Work | what's running on it? |
| 01:05.17 | Neo|Work | meaning, ps output. :P |
| 01:05.27 | sukoshi | let me reboot the Z |
| 01:05.30 | Neo|Work | qte/qtopia is such a memoryhog though |
| 01:07.10 | sheenmaster | Neo|Work: true, the Z shoulda used X |
| 01:07.26 | chouimat|tv | X is a memory hog too |
| 01:08.11 | sheenmaster | chouimat|tv: it doesn't have to be. X+apps fit onto my VR3d |
| 01:09.09 | sukoshi | fresh reboot = |
| 01:09.23 | sukoshi | memfree 648kb |
| 01:09.31 | sukoshi | buffers 100kb |
| 01:09.37 | sukoshi | cached 13524 |
| 01:10.10 | sheenmaster | chouimat|tv: and the handwriting daemon uses the more ram than X |
| 01:10.31 | sheenmaster | damn opie-todo is taking a long time to update |
| 01:15.40 | sukoshi | ps -A gives init keventd kapm-idled off_thread battchrgon battchrgoff sharpsl_bat ksoftirqd_cpu0 kswapd bdflush kupdated buzzer snd_hp mtdblockd jffs2_gcd_mtd3 sdmgr cardmgr inetd rpc.portmap atd launch shsync qpe.sh dhcpdsmbd nmbd qpe qeserver qeserver qtsamba launcher embeddedkonsole bash ps :) |
| 01:16.09 | sukoshi | just after a reboot and launched the konsole, and a ps command |
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| 01:21.57 | Neo|Work | sukoshi: gesh, that's a lot of crap |
| 01:22.27 | sukoshi | that's a default B500 (maybe you now understand why i wait for OZ so much) |
| 01:24.24 | Neo|Work | question is how much of that crud is needed |
| 01:24.52 | Neo|Work | I agree that it doesn't have enough memory given the above |
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| 02:16.01 | Zarchon | anyone installed gomoku successfully on their zaurus? |
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| 02:23.28 | minipanda | is there any Japanese firends can help me order a sharp sl-5500 in good price such as $229? thanks |
| 02:26.40 | Zarchon | sl-5500? see the topic |
| 02:28.48 | minipanda | Zarchon: thanks, but i live in beijing china, so how can i shipped that product |
| 02:28.56 | Zarchon | ahh |
| 02:29.03 | Zarchon | I see your problem now. |
| 02:29.52 | minipanda | Zarchon : heeh, so where Mark Kasok lived in? cani write a mail to him? |
| 02:30.10 | Zarchon | he/s in the US. and I dunno if they'll mail outside the us |
| 02:30.17 | Zarchon | I bought mine from him |
| 02:30.28 | Zarchon | It's actually PC Connection that's doing the discount |
| 02:30.36 | Zarchon | You could try sending them email |
| 02:30.41 | Zarchon | www.pcconnection.com |
| 02:31.29 | minipanda | :-( oh, what a sad news! i should pay very very high shipping-TAX and delivery FEE, maybe double $229 |
| 02:31.46 | Zarchon | :( |
| 02:32.54 | minipanda | hehe, how about your 5500? very nice product? and you're writing GPL application on it? |
| 02:37.16 | minipanda | zarchon : but i also heard about that "sharp zaurus" are only support Japanese language OS |
| 02:37.27 | Zarchon | nope they also support english |
| 02:37.47 | Zarchon | I'm still buying the bits I need to start playing with it |
| 02:37.53 | Zarchon | CF card and wireless card in the mail |
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| 02:38.32 | Zarchon | must run to bus now. Perhaps someone in Japan will happen by later. |
| 02:38.35 | Zarchon | g'night |
| 02:39.58 | minipanda | good night zarchon! thanks for your hep |
| 02:51.00 | sheenmaster | chouimat|tv: why broadcast to all channels? |
| 02:52.33 | chouimat|tv | sheenmaster: too make you talk |
| 02:53.26 | sheenmaster | chouimat|tv: Insania is suck a lame name. Sounds like something from the old outer limits or the new twilight zone. |
| 02:53.30 | sheenmaster | such* |
| 02:54.21 | chouimat|tv | sheenmaster: the actual name is insania stockholm (melodic metal) |
| 02:54.40 | sheenmaster | melodic metal, eh? |
| 02:54.45 | sheenmaster | might be worth trying |
| 02:54.49 | chouimat|tv | sheenmaster: http://go.to/insania |
| 02:54.58 | chouimat|tv | that their 3rd album |
| 02:55.42 | kergoth | win 13 |
| 02:55.44 | kergoth | damn / |
| 02:55.48 | kergoth | why do i always do that? |
| 02:55.54 | sheenmaster | chouimat|tv: I guess they are in need of a dns server. |
| 02:57.12 | sheenmaster | ah damnit |
| 02:57.23 | sheenmaster | I left the jeode ipk in ram when I installed OZ |
| 02:57.43 | kergoth | rc3 will prompt you to wipe mtdram only if it failed to mount it now :) |
| 02:57.47 | chouimat|tv | sheenmaster: the song private 6-machine is very good |
| 02:58.23 | sheenmaster | kergoth: at least give me the option to clear it. I don't want shit from the sharp rom lying around |
| 02:58.35 | chouimat|tv | ljp: got it? |
| 02:59.48 | ljp | still getting.. on a slowdem |
| 02:59.54 | kergoth | sheenmaster: hmm, good point. maybe i'll make it prompt on first boot regardless, and after that only prompt if it fails to mount? |
| 03:00.26 | sheenmaster | good idea |
| 03:00.51 | kergoth | now, to figure out implementation |
| 03:00.58 | kergoth | guess a stamp file |
| 03:01.04 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.06 | kergoth | or something |
| 03:02.04 | Pendalar | kergoth about that failed unmounting I mentioned, halting turns off lcd |
| 03:02.12 | Pendalar | all I could tell is it said failed unmount of ramfs |
| 03:02.22 | kergoth | Pendalar: k |
| 03:07.19 | ljp | chouimat|tv: finished, thanks |
| 03:08.03 | chouimat|tv | sheenmaster: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/ogg/private.ogg |
| 03:09.05 | chouimat|tv | sheenmaster: thttpd |
| 03:10.08 | sheenmaster | k, my jukebox is wgetting it now |
| 03:10.11 | chouimat|tv | sheenmaster: and enjoy the lyrics :) |
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| 03:10.57 | sheenmaster | why the hell does thttpd use text/plain as the default!? |
| 03:11.09 | chouimat|tv | sheenmaster: don't know |
| 03:12.45 | warmi | he .. you ended up with mozilla "displaying" content of that file ? |
| 03:12.47 | warmi | heh |
| 03:12.50 | redfenix | how's everyone doing tonight? |
| 03:13.05 | warmi | ok |
| 03:13.18 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 03:13.28 | chouimat|tv | redfenix: drunk soon |
| 03:13.38 | redfenix | chouimat|tv: I'm envious... =P |
| 03:13.40 | warmi | hi |
| 03:13.58 | redfenix | hey kergoth, how's it going? |
| 03:14.03 | kergoth | hrm, anyone know any good scotch's? |
| 03:14.06 | kergoth | not bad, takin it easy |
| 03:14.12 | kergoth | avoiding project work for the evening |
| 03:14.16 | warmi | chouimat|tv : this music sounds like stuff from 1980s .. actually they sound like Iron Maiden |
| 03:14.27 | redfenix | kergoth: my friend would... he's somewhat of a conniseur... want me to ask him tomorrow? |
| 03:14.59 | chouimat|tv | warmi: 1999 actually :) |
| 03:15.03 | redfenix | kergoth: I've got one task tonight and that is to cross-compile bt950_cs.o for the c700 kernel. |
| 03:15.08 | kergoth | sure, thatd be appreciated. I just started drinking it recently, have taken a liking to it |
| 03:15.23 | kergoth | redfenix: you shoudl grab hte OZ buildroot and add the bluez modules to it. then we'll have them for every kernel we build ;) |
| 03:15.23 | warmi | well, but they _sound_ like music from 80s ;-) |
| 03:15.32 | chouimat|tv | warmi: so ... the album is good |
| 03:15.38 | redfenix | redfenix: will they still work for the stock kernel? |
| 03:15.46 | redfenix | er, "it" even. |
| 03:15.55 | kergoth | redfenix: yep |
| 03:15.56 | warmi | no, I am not saying it is bad - just that you don't see people playing that kind of stuff anymore |
| 03:16.12 | redfenix | kergoth: okay, you sold me. is there a howto somewhere? |
| 03:16.23 | chouimat|tv | warmi: a lot play that stuff but you won't see them on the radio |
| 03:16.26 | kergoth | redfenix: step 1: get bitkeeper. www.bitkeeper.com |
| 03:16.31 | kergoth | redfenix: step 2: |
| 03:16.33 | kergoth | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 03:16.34 | | well, oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 03:16.37 | kergoth | ^^ |
| 03:16.44 | warmi | well, kid you not - I could easily mistake them for Iron Maiden |
| 03:17.18 | chouimat|tv | warmi: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/ogg/divinesun.ogg |
| 03:23.27 | chouimat|bored | warmi: just tell me when you finish the download |
| 03:23.46 | redfenix | kergoth: thanks (working on it now) |
| 03:24.18 | kergoth | hardwire: you around? |
| 03:26.25 | warmi | chouimat|bored : I just started so it will take a minute or so |
| 03:26.40 | chouimat|bored | ok |
| 03:26.59 | warmi | uh .. actually it will take a lot more than that - it goes at about 3 kb/s - a modem rate |
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| 03:27.18 | chouimat|bored | warmi: alot of people are connected :( |
| 03:27.45 | warmi | yeah, the previous one went at 15 kbs/s |
| 03:28.51 | chouimat|bored | warmi: and I'm also updating 2 bsd boxes |
| 03:28.59 | warmi | yeah, ok |
| 03:29.09 | warmi | and your net connection is what ? DSL ? |
| 03:29.20 | chouimat|bored | warmi: cable modem |
| 03:29.31 | warmi | ah ok |
| 03:30.48 | chouimat|bored | warmi: 3,1Mbit/s - 180 kbits/s |
| 03:31.40 | warmi | both ways ? |
| 03:31.46 | warmi | oh sorry |
| 03:31.57 | warmi | 180 kbit upstream |
| 03:31.59 | chouimat|bored | warmi: np |
| 03:32.09 | chouimat|bored | warmi: yup that sucks |
| 03:32.38 | chouimat|bored | warmi: got it? |
| 03:33.14 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:34.14 | warmi | that's canadian group right ? |
| 03:34.34 | chouimat|bored | warmi: Quebec, with Jason Newsted on bass |
| 03:34.36 | kergoth | I like this |
| 03:34.44 | raster | i dont |
| 03:34.45 | raster | :) |
| 03:34.49 | raster | like what? |
| 03:35.01 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: Voivod? |
| 03:35.04 | kergoth | raster: bah |
| 03:35.05 | kergoth | chouimat|bored: yeah |
| 03:36.03 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: they're back at their old style/sound (somewhat) ... they have some more aggressive song too |
| 03:36.23 | kergoth | Yeah, it has kind of an old school sound, but its got a good beat. I like it. |
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| 03:36.35 | kenb | hardwire: ping |
| 03:36.47 | kergoth | ibot: seen hardwire |
| 03:36.49 | | hardwire is currently on #gct (3h 23m 44s) #zaurus (3h 23m 44s) #openzaurus (3h 23m 44s) #bzflag (3h 23m 44s) |
| 03:36.59 | kergoth | yeah, idling |
| 03:38.31 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: I need to repair my tapedeck so I can listen to all their old album |
| 03:38.35 | raster | ooh |
| 03:38.38 | raster | moozak |
| 03:38.39 | raster | ! |
| 03:38.55 | chouimat|bored | raster: yup a band called voivod |
| 03:43.15 | warmi | chouimat|bored : I actually prefer Insania |
| 03:43.18 | warmi | heh |
| 03:43.36 | chouimat|bored | warmi: hehe |
| 03:44.15 | chouimat|bored | warmi: got some Kataklysm, Cryptopsy, Gorguts etc ... (all Quebec bands) |
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| 03:45.02 | warmi | Gorguts ? |
| 03:45.09 | warmi | does that word mean anything ? |
| 03:46.19 | chouimat|bored | warmi: don't know ... mix of free jazz with death metal, with a very nice grunt for the vocal |
| 03:46.54 | warmi | jazz with death metal ? |
| 03:46.58 | warmi | hmm .. |
| 03:47.06 | chouimat|bored | warmi: can dcc one to you |
| 03:47.17 | warmi | sure |
| 03:48.47 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:48.49 | warmi | it is going |
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| 03:52.20 | noidd | phew, that was a close escape |
| 03:52.56 | kergoth | noidd: ? |
| 03:53.11 | noidd | its almost 4am here |
| 03:53.23 | noidd | I just woke up, not done much work in the last week or so |
| 03:53.33 | noidd | and I have to do a customer presentation tomorrow |
| 03:54.06 | noidd | I was desperatly looking for something here to help me procrastinate doing the work |
| 03:54.14 | noidd | but there isn't :-( |
| 03:54.19 | edgeprod_Z | I'm curious .. the "Developer Discount" on the Zaurus is $389, yet Amazon.com has it for $371? |
| 03:54.20 | noidd | so I guess thats a good thing, |
| 03:54.31 | edgeprod_Z | Is there something in the Developer version that isn't in the Amazon version? |
| 03:54.35 | kergoth | edgeprod_Z: um, you cant read the topic? |
| 03:54.47 | noidd | PC Connection for a $229 developer special price |
| 03:54.52 | noidd | "29 |
| 03:55.01 | noidd | hmm, no such thing as a capital 2 |
| 03:56.15 | chouimat|bored | warmi: enjoy :-P |
| 03:57.08 | warmi | uh ...yeah, death metal - as far as this kind of stuff I used to be a big fan of a group called Celtic Frost , I don't know if you have heard about them |
| 03:57.59 | chouimat|bored | celtic frost .... |
| 03:58.13 | warmi | never heard about them ? |
| 03:58.34 | chouimat|bored | warmi: I have the last album (nemesis) |
| 03:58.42 | chouimat|bored | and megatherion I think |
| 03:58.57 | warmi | yeah, that's them |
| 03:59.07 | edgeprod_Z | I can read, kergoth, you moron. That's a refurbished piece of shit. |
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| 03:59.19 | warmi | I still like to listen to some of their older stuff |
| 03:59.23 | noidd | good move :-) |
| 03:59.26 | warmi | I even liked Mexican Radio |
| 03:59.36 | chouimat|bored | warmi: but the cherry* album sucks |
| 04:00.53 | warmi | could be - I stoped following their career in 1994 or so .. as far as I know they are gone anyway |
| 04:01.16 | chouimat|bored | yup the band is dead |
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| 04:11.36 | Odrod | I'm having Z problems |
| 04:11.37 | Odrod | anyone around? |
| 04:13.21 | chouimat|bored | warmi: the song mankind on insany 3rd album is great |
| 04:14.11 | chouimat|bored | warmi: it's sound alot like Iron Maiden but with some touch of the old Helloween |
| 04:14.59 | Odrod | I can't get my Zaurus to sync up at all |
| 04:15.15 | treke|home | hrm, I like it |
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| 04:18.12 | Odrod | Is there any other place I can go to for help with this? |
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| 04:28.47 | Odrod | any one? |
| 04:31.14 | darienm | this is the right channel, but its night-time for most folks |
| 04:31.41 | kergoth | I'd help, except I'm rapidly approaching drunk and sleeping both |
| 04:32.07 | darienm | me too, but I've been at this desk for 17 hours now and I want to go home and eat |
| 04:32.12 | darienm | and drink |
| 04:32.16 | darienm | and sleep sounds good too |
| 04:32.19 | kergoth | ouch |
| 04:37.37 | redfenix | kergoth: hey.. about the config on buildroot-oz... 2.4.19 stuff will work with 2.4.18 stock kernel, right? |
| 04:37.50 | kergoth | redfenix: eh, make menuconfig |
| 04:37.51 | redfenix | kergoth: I would think that insmod would not let you load it. |
| 04:37.56 | kergoth | redfenix: go into build options, and select the c700 |
| 04:38.32 | redfenix | kergoth: I see... |
| 04:38.42 | redfenix | I want debian-unstable, right? |
| 04:39.11 | redfenix | ? |
| 04:39.13 | kergoth | is that what you're using? |
| 04:39.19 | kergoth | its asking you waht distro you're building _on_ |
| 04:39.24 | redfenix | oh... I see. |
| 04:40.06 | kergoth | that way we can do distribution specific workarounds for things |
| 04:40.24 | redfenix | kewl |
| 04:41.10 | redfenix | kergoth: Host Build Tools -- anything special I need here? gcc xcomp? |
| 04:41.27 | kergoth | redfenix: well assuming you already have a crosscompiler, leave that stuff alone |
| 04:41.36 | kergoth | redfenix: if you dont have one, get our 2.95.3 |
| 04:41.38 | kergoth | ibot: oz toolchain |
| 04:41.39 | | oz toolchain is, like, http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 04:42.20 | redfenix | I have the Embedix gcc... |
| 04:42.36 | kergoth | get this one. embedix is known to fail in certain circumstances |
| 04:43.03 | redfenix | we love metrowerks, yes we do! =P |
| 04:43.13 | redfenix | heheh |
| 04:43.45 | Odrod | I'm about 5 minutes away from throwing my Z against the wall |
| 04:43.51 | redfenix | kergoth: sorry to make you do that... hope it wasn't anything good. |
| 04:44.20 | redfenix | Odrod: well, that might be one way to solve your problems. |
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| 04:44.58 | redfenix | hm... something smells fishy around here...... |
| 04:45.13 | Odrod | redfenix |
| 04:45.17 | kergoth | ~fishslap fishy |
| 04:45.19 | | ACTION slaps fishy up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 04:45.19 | Odrod | I'm thinking the same thing |
| 04:45.32 | redfenix | ~bitchslap fishy |
| 04:45.40 | redfenix | hmm.. doesn't work. =P |
| 04:45.47 | kergoth | hm, we need a bitchslap function |
| 04:45.57 | Odrod | Can someone tell me a good time to come here for help |
| 04:46.03 | Odrod | because I have a fuckin worthless PDA here |
| 04:46.10 | kergoth | ibot: bitchslap $nick is <action> beats the shit out of $nick |
| 04:46.10 | | kergoth: please, watch your language. |
| 04:46.15 | kergoth | ibot: bitchslap $nick is <action> beats the sh*t out of $nick |
| 04:46.16 | | okay, kergoth |
| 04:46.16 | redfenix | Odrod: I'll buy it for cheap... ;) |
| 04:46.22 | kergoth | ~bitchslap Odrod |
| 04:46.24 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Odrod |
| 04:46.27 | kergoth | :D |
| 04:46.52 | noidd | ibot: bitchslap $nick is <action> beats the sh1t out of $nick |
| 04:46.54 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of $nick is <action> beats the sh1t out of $nick |
| 04:47.00 | Odrod | how can I get some USB drivers installed |
| 04:47.00 | noidd | Gah |
| 04:47.05 | Odrod | I can get nothing to work |
| 04:47.05 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:47.06 | Odrod | at all |
| 04:47.17 | noidd | ~bitchslap ibot |
| 04:47.19 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of ibot |
| 04:47.19 | kergoth | Odrod: hte usb drivers are on the Z. and on zaurus.com. |
| 04:47.27 | kergoth | noidd: theres a fight club moment for you |
| 04:47.36 | noidd | indeed indeed |
| 04:47.41 | Odrod | kergoth there are no usb drivers that I can find on zaurus.com |
| 04:47.49 | redfenix | kergoth: looks more like battlebots to me... =) |
| 04:47.55 | Odrod | and I can't even get my computer to recognize my Z |
| 04:48.10 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a scotch on the rocks |
| 04:48.18 | kergoth | ~bitchslap Sugar |
| 04:48.19 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Sugar |
| 04:53.47 | redfenix | you know..when you set your system monitors for 50ms rate, it's kinda cool. |
| 04:53.57 | redfenix | esp. when compiling. |
| 04:55.35 | Odrod | my zaurus has been smashed |
| 04:55.40 | redfenix | ? |
| 04:55.48 | Odrod | ? |
| 04:56.00 | redfenix | you smashed it? |
| 04:56.15 | Odrod | yep |
| 04:56.20 | Odrod | it was a piece of junk |
| 04:56.26 | redfenix | you spent how much on it? |
| 04:56.32 | Odrod | 75 bucks |
| 04:56.37 | Odrod | wasn't worth it |
| 04:56.48 | Odrod | i'm just kidding |
| 04:56.54 | Odrod | this thing is a piece of junk though |
| 04:59.50 | redfenix | kergoth: geez, that cross compile has lots of crap in it. |
| 05:00.21 | redfenix | s/compile/compiler |
| 05:00.40 | redfenix | takes almost as long to unzip/untar as it does to d/l |
| 05:01.37 | redfenix | du -sk 2.95.3/ |
| 05:01.37 | redfenix | 185688 2.95.3 |
| 05:01.55 | redfenix | 185 friggin megs! =O |
| 05:02.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:03.51 | redfenix | okay... so I've done make menuconfig... I've got the cross compiler in /usr/local/arm .. now I suppose I have to set up CC somewhere? |
| 05:04.01 | redfenix | and set up include path and maybe libpath? |
| 05:04.15 | kergoth | nope |
| 05:04.22 | kergoth | buildroot obeys the cross path set in build options |
| 05:04.30 | kergoth | which defaults to /usr/local/arm, and it autoappends gccver, 2.95.3 |
| 05:04.43 | kergoth | it adds it to the path, and all necessary vars. just select your packages and run mae |
| 05:04.46 | kergoth | make |
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| 05:04.50 | kergoth | read docs/BUILD and docs/DEVEL |
| 05:04.55 | kergoth | DEVEL has a howto on adding a new package |
| 05:05.54 | redfenix | what about the "Host Build Tools" in menuconfig... I don't need any of that stuff do I? |
| 05:06.10 | redfenix | (I already have automake/autoconf, gzip, etc...) |
| 05:06.16 | kergoth | enable autoconf, automake, and libtool to be safe |
| 05:06.26 | kergoth | as the user's auto* are often the wrong versions :) |
| 05:06.30 | redfenix | um... ok.. |
| 05:06.32 | kergoth | but you're just building akernel right? if so, doesnt matter |
| 05:06.40 | kergoth | well, kernel and module packages |
| 05:07.02 | redfenix | well actually I don't even really need the kernel itself right now. |
| 05:07.11 | redfenix | I just need to build this one module and copy it over. |
| 05:08.00 | kergoth | you cant build the module without at least the kernel headers configured |
| 05:08.05 | kergoth | so at least up through make oldconfig; make dep |
| 05:08.10 | redfenix | yep |
| 05:08.27 | kergoth | so it doesnt matter what host build tools you enable, you wont need them anyway |
| 05:08.38 | kergoth | just enable the kernel and read docs/DEVEL to add the kernel modules package you need |
| 05:08.49 | kergoth | or do it manually, but this'll pull down the sources and patch em for you |
| 05:09.52 | redfenix | and actually I was planning on submitting the module anyway... so it'd be easier if it was already working in the system, right? |
| 05:10.19 | noidd | Kergoth: is Mr Samba still mia ? |
| 05:10.28 | Odrod | kergoth you think you can show me where the USB drivers are on zaurus.com? |
| 05:11.03 | kergoth | noidd: yeah, i'm going to release rc3 anyway. sick of waiting. samba will be final. |
| 05:11.08 | kergoth | noidd: er _in_ final |
| 05:11.20 | noidd | cool :-) |
| 05:11.29 | noidd | I wont ask for timescales, I know better ;-D |
| 05:12.45 | redfenix | tinyx? |
| 05:12.53 | redfenix | what is that? is it good? |
| 05:13.01 | kergoth | its X |
| 05:13.03 | kergoth | .. tiny |
| 05:13.14 | redfenix | wow, you really cleared that up... tnx. |
| 05:13.18 | redfenix | =P |
| 05:13.30 | redfenix | so, does it display remote stuff and all? |
| 05:13.37 | redfenix | can you tunnel it thru ssh? |
| 05:13.42 | kergoth | its X. it can run remote X apps and shit like any other X server |
| 05:13.56 | redfenix | so why am I not running it on my desktop? |
| 05:13.59 | kergoth | I use it for that reason only really |
| 05:14.19 | kergoth | why would you? this is X, but with shit like touchscreen and inputmethods and stuff |
| 05:14.24 | kergoth | brb |
| 05:16.01 | redfenix | hey, I got all these "Warning: unable to locate path for token CONFIG_XXXXX" lines... is that normel? |
| 05:16.08 | redfenix | s/normel/normal |
| 05:16.16 | kergoth | yeah, ignore it, just a warning |
| 05:16.19 | kergoth | i'll silence it eventually |
| 05:16.24 | kergoth | thats our dependency generator |
| 05:16.24 | redfenix | ok |
| 05:16.29 | kergoth | it makes sure shit builds in the right order |
| 05:16.32 | kergoth | i.e. qt/e before opie |
| 05:16.32 | kergoth | etc |
| 05:16.44 | redfenix | so I guess it's d/l'ing from ftp.kernel.org now. |
| 05:17.15 | redfenix | kergoth: hey... how do you get to the boot options on the c700? |
| 05:17.22 | kergoth | what boot options? |
| 05:17.27 | kergoth | you mean to flash it? |
| 05:17.30 | redfenix | like to boot from CF and stuff. |
| 05:17.38 | redfenix | or to boot to text and stuff |
| 05:17.44 | kergoth | there are no boot options |
| 05:17.48 | kergoth | you cant get to the bootloader directly |
| 05:17.53 | kergoth | you can get to the diags |
| 05:17.55 | redfenix | how do you get to console? |
| 05:17.58 | kergoth | or to the maintainance display to flash |
| 05:18.00 | kergoth | redfenix: you dont |
| 05:18.06 | redfenix | i.e. how do you get out of qtopia? |
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| 05:18.15 | kergoth | I dont know if you can on the sharp rom |
| 05:18.22 | redfenix | hm.. that sucks. |
| 05:18.27 | kergoth | OZ adjusts the config of the kernel, you can use the console |
| 05:18.37 | redfenix | do you have to use cf for flashing? or can you use sd? |
| 05:18.43 | kergoth | you can use either |
| 05:18.46 | kergoth | cf, sd, or usb |
| 05:19.05 | redfenix | kewl. I've got a 128 meg sd card, but I didn't buy any cf cards. |
| 05:19.29 | redfenix | got it for $50 at compusa of all places... |
| 05:19.35 | kergoth | that reminds me, should add the c700/b500 flash steps as an FAQ on openzaurus.org |
| 05:19.48 | redfenix | sharp has flashing directions. |
| 05:19.54 | kergoth | yeah.. in japanese. |
| 05:19.56 | redfenix | it's prolly the same, right? |
| 05:19.59 | Odrod | god I wish my Z worked |
| 05:20.10 | redfenix | Odrod: well, make it work then... =P |
| 05:20.24 | Odrod | i don't have a clue what is wrong |
| 05:20.29 | kergoth | and we do? |
| 05:20.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:20.38 | Odrod | you might be able to help |
| 05:20.47 | Odrod | but not to be rude, all I get is smart ass comments |
| 05:20.58 | kergoth | and? |
| 05:21.13 | Odrod | i need someone to take 5 minutes out of their day to help me |
| 05:21.16 | kergoth | i dont see a sign anywhere saying we have to be all happy and nice despite your whining |
| 05:21.16 | Odrod | and be nice about it |
| 05:21.24 | kergoth | I tried to help you the other day, i dont know the answer |
| 05:21.25 | redfenix | Odrod: well, I think it's because you don't seem to take the initiative to read up on stuff that people tell you about. |
| 05:21.27 | Odrod | what a dick head |
| 05:21.33 | *** kick/#zaurus [Odrod!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (damn right!) |
| 05:21.59 | redfenix | got a lead skull or something... eh? |
| 05:22.06 | kergoth | <Odrod> you are a fucking dork |
| 05:22.08 | kergoth | aha |
| 05:22.28 | redfenix | not such an effective way to elicit help, is it? |
| 05:22.29 | noidd | wheee |
| 05:22.35 | kergoth | hey, you know, i just like to live up to people's expectations |
| 05:22.40 | kergoth | :D |
| 05:22.41 | redfenix | heheh |
| 05:22.53 | kergoth | lol |
| 05:23.02 | noidd | it comes with the terr |
| 05:23.02 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:23.06 | noidd | it comes with the territory |
| 05:23.07 | redfenix | kergoth: it's comping! =) |
| 05:23.13 | noidd | you can't be uber and polite |
| 05:23.16 | noidd | just doesn't work |
| 05:23.17 | kergoth | redfenix: the kernel? |
| 05:23.25 | redfenix | kergoth: yeah.. just did a "make" first. |
| 05:23.29 | kergoth | redfenix: just gotta grab the bluez modules source and build it against that kernel :) |
| 05:23.49 | redfenix | kergoth: it dl'ed stuff from ftp.kernel.org and then started comping. |
| 05:23.58 | redfenix | kergoth: so do I need to add bluez to the config? |
| 05:23.59 | noidd | brb in a bit |
| 05:24.17 | kergoth | redfenix: you can either build bluez modules manually, just adding the path to the kernel its building to the include path |
| 05:24.31 | kergoth | redfenix: or you can add it to the buildroot's config, then it'll be available for all OE/OZ supported devices |
| 05:24.47 | treke|home | adding it to buildroot would be appreciated :) |
| 05:24.47 | redfenix | kergoth: so, is that other bt package better? |
| 05:24.53 | redfenix | kergoth: it's already in there. |
| 05:25.01 | kergoth | redfenix: bluez in the buildroot right now is the utils, not the modules |
| 05:25.06 | kergoth | oh,k you mean affix? |
| 05:25.10 | redfenix | yeah |
| 05:25.16 | kergoth | I dunno much about the differences, i dont even own any BT devices :) |
| 05:25.34 | redfenix | either one prolly uses the same module for my card. |
| 05:25.38 | chouimat | kergoth: email me the spi chapter please |
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| 05:27.10 | CodeYoddler | I can't decide on that $229 zaurus |
| 05:27.11 | redfenix | kergoth: so why do you guys use bitkeeper instead of like, cvs or something? |
| 05:27.16 | CodeYoddler | When is 5600 coming out? |
| 05:27.24 | kergoth | redfenix: cause cvs is missing a ton of features that drive me nuts |
| 05:27.31 | kergoth | redfenix: like the ability to _move_ or rename a file |
| 05:27.41 | kergoth | chouimat: sent |
| 05:27.53 | redfenix | kergoth: that's easy... you just do it in the repository manually. ;) |
| 05:28.06 | kergoth | redfenix: try doing that when dealing witha file on a specific branch only :) |
| 05:28.12 | kergoth | redfenix: which is what was the last straw for me |
| 05:28.33 | kergoth | well that, and trying to completely restructure a repository |
| 05:28.34 | redfenix | hmm.. yeah. I can agree with that... it always bugged me that you can ever _really_ remove a dir too. |
| 05:28.38 | kergoth | without losing history |
| 05:28.40 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:28.41 | kergoth | that too |
| 05:28.48 | redfenix | always comes back with a cvs -d update |
| 05:28.49 | chouimat | kergoth: .doc???? |
| 05:28.51 | kergoth | its conflict handling could be better as well |
| 05:28.55 | CodeYoddler | When is 5600 coming out? |
| 05:29.00 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe, i forgot about the format |
| 05:29.01 | redfenix | branching kind of sucks too. |
| 05:29.05 | kergoth | CodeYoddler: we heard you the firt time |
| 05:29.24 | kergoth | redfenix: yeah, in bk you dont need branches, because you can clone entire repositories, not just checking files out of a single repos |
| 05:29.30 | redfenix | CodeYoddler: I dunno.. haven't heard anything specific. |
| 05:29.49 | redfenix | I thought it was cool that you could clone a clone of a repos... |
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| 05:30.05 | redfenix | So, that way if you have some hair-brained idea, you can try it out and still kep versions of it. |
| 05:30.35 | redfenix | CodeYoddler: I haven't seen any press releases that even give an estimate... maybe like Q3 or something? |
| 05:30.41 | kergoth | yep, and i like that you can push/pull changes between various repositories easily |
| 05:30.47 | CodeYoddler | ok |
| 05:30.52 | kergoth | more easily than you can move changes between branches |
| 05:30.55 | CodeYoddler | I'll probably just get the Zaurus then |
| 05:30.59 | redfenix | CodeYoddler: that'd put it to like,, July or so... |
| 05:31.00 | CodeYoddler | for $229 |
| 05:31.10 | kergoth | CodeYoddler: can always buy a c700 |
| 05:31.13 | redfenix | CodeYoddler: I got the c700 last week... might check it out. |
| 05:31.19 | CodeYoddler | what is a c700? |
| 05:31.23 | CodeYoddler | is it in english? |
| 05:31.25 | CodeYoddler | how much? |
| 05:31.59 | kergoth | CodeYoddler: shop.conics.net |
| 05:32.09 | redfenix | CodeYoddler: you haven't seen the c700? you need to check it out.. |
| 05:32.11 | kergoth | CodeYoddler: dynamism has it for $700 preconverted to english as well |
| 05:32.33 | redfenix | CodeYoddler: dynamism has good screenshots. |
| 05:32.44 | redfenix | CodeYoddler: and pix. |
| 05:33.04 | CodeYoddler | $700?!? |
| 05:33.11 | CodeYoddler | I could get a laptop for that much |
| 05:33.20 | fishy | $700 for a 640x480 screen |
| 05:33.22 | redfenix | CodeYoddler: that's basically what the c700 is. |
| 05:33.36 | kergoth | CodeYoddler: conics has it for 560 as well. but as redfenix syas, its more like a little laptop in formfactor |
| 05:33.48 | redfenix | kergoth: does the 5600 have 480x640? |
| 05:33.55 | fishy | no |
| 05:33.58 | kergoth | redfenix: nope. same display as the 5500 |
| 05:34.01 | fishy | redfenix |
| 05:34.03 | redfenix | hrm. front light? |
| 05:34.09 | fishy | same screen |
| 05:34.11 | redfenix | eww |
| 05:34.19 | kergoth | you know, after the c700 |
| 05:34.26 | kergoth | i despise that uneven frontlight on the 5500 |
| 05:34.28 | kergoth | cause i got spoiled |
| 05:34.29 | redfenix | well... maybe not eww.. but not nearly as good as the c700. |
| 05:34.40 | redfenix | the CG Silicon screen is v.cool. |
| 05:34.46 | CodeYoddler | hmmm...i'll just get the 5500 then...i gotta check how much I have in my wallet |
| 05:35.08 | treke|home | if you have to look, you cant afford the 700 :) |
| 05:36.54 | CodeYoddler | I only have $320 to spend |
| 05:37.08 | CodeYoddler | I guess I could get the 5500 and pocket around a $100 |
| 05:37.18 | CodeYoddler | Screw GBA, Zaurus is way cooler |
| 05:37.32 | redfenix | kergoth: man.. I would hate to see how long this kernel would take to compile on the unit itself... |
| 05:37.32 | CodeYoddler | Wait, but I could easily sell my Pocket PC for $100 |
| 05:37.46 | CodeYoddler | Does Zaurus connect to Linux? |
| 05:37.55 | redfenix | of course |
| 05:38.24 | kergoth | redfenix: hehe |
| 05:38.28 | redfenix | do you think I'd be running anything else on my desktop? =P |
| 05:39.03 | CodeYoddler | So I'd have $420, hmmm plus $100 for easter, $520 I guess I could barely get a C700, but I think I'll just get the 5600, and have $400 |
| 05:39.55 | CodeYoddler | Wait, have $300 |
| 05:40.15 | redfenix | wow... gotta love your accounting system... =P |
| 05:41.52 | CodeYoddler | hehe |
| 05:42.13 | CodeYoddler | I hope I can get $100 for my Pocket PC, I only paid $300 a year ago |
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| 05:42.22 | redfenix | kergoth: still going......... |
| 05:42.31 | kergoth | redfenix: you did disable the apps right? |
| 05:42.33 | kergoth | redfenix: :) |
| 05:42.42 | redfenix | kergoth: um.. not all of them. |
| 05:42.43 | kergoth | otherwise you could very well be on your way to building all of OZ there |
| 05:42.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:42.51 | redfenix | kergoth: what's wrong with that? |
| 05:42.54 | redfenix | =P |
| 05:42.59 | kergoth | hey, your call |
| 05:43.01 | kergoth | ;) |
| 05:43.29 | redfenix | will the apps work on stock c700? |
| 05:43.51 | kergoth | the ipks produced wont work without replacing the crap ipkg binary with the C version |
| 05:43.59 | kergoth | they're still using the shell ipkg, which doesnt support the new format |
| 05:44.03 | redfenix | oh. |
| 05:44.07 | kergoth | I replaced my ipkg and busybox on my stock c700 with new versions |
| 05:44.13 | kergoth | so i could install opie apps and libs ;) |
| 05:44.25 | CodeYoddler | So I don't really need to do anything to qualify for the $229 |
| 05:45.04 | CodeYoddler | Is there any other linux distros for the zaurus |
| 05:46.00 | kergoth | OpenZaurus is the main one |
| 05:46.13 | kergoth | theres debian itself, but dpkg/apt-get is pretty heavyweight for use on a Z |
| 05:46.43 | CodeYoddler | debian on the zaurus?!? |
| 05:46.52 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:46.57 | CodeYoddler | You must need like a 1gb cf card |
| 05:47.01 | kergoth | openzaurus is debian based, its not much of a stretch |
| 05:47.02 | kergoth | uh |
| 05:47.03 | kergoth | dood |
| 05:47.05 | redfenix | CodeYoddler: that's what OpenZaurus is iirc... |
| 05:47.11 | kergoth | the base debian install on a desktop is like 30 megs |
| 05:47.13 | kergoth | .. |
| 05:47.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:47.36 | kergoth | right, OZ is basically debian shrunk to be suitable for embedded |
| 05:47.42 | CodeYoddler | ok |
| 05:47.49 | redfenix | CodeYoddler: you'd only need 1gb if you were running redhat. |
| 05:47.50 | CodeYoddler | so 128mb cf would be fine? |
| 05:47.59 | redfenix | actually, more like 2gb. |
| 05:47.59 | CodeYoddler | redhat on the zaurus?!? |
| 05:48.12 | redfenix | CodeYoddler: was a joke. ;) |
| 05:48.37 | CodeYoddler | ok, good |
| 05:48.57 | CodeYoddler | do they have any non-pda looking window managers, like one that looks like kde? |
| 05:49.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:50.04 | kergoth | you could theoretically run KDE on X on the Z, but thats just sick |
| 05:50.11 | kergoth | if you want a window manager, not opie or qtpoia |
| 05:50.14 | kergoth | use matchbox + tinyx |
| 05:51.22 | fishy | icewm on zaurus |
| 05:51.53 | kergoth | icewm works, but matchbox was designed for pda use |
| 05:51.56 | kergoth | fluxbox works as well |
| 05:52.00 | kergoth | but again.. |
| 05:52.16 | fishy | codeyoddler, debian isnt a large os |
| 05:52.45 | kergoth | nope, its small for a linux distro. still not ready for embedded, but its the closest of the linux distros to it |
| 05:53.50 | fishy | tom's root boot ;) |
| 05:54.19 | redfenix | kergoth: what about metrowerks? *wink* *wink* |
| 05:55.07 | CodeYoddler | For installing Zaurus software, do you ./configure make and make install, or does it support rpm's? |
| 05:55.12 | redfenix | ~bitchslap Embedix |
| 05:55.16 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Embedix |
| 05:55.16 | redfenix | hrm. |
| 05:55.22 | redfenix | ahh. =) |
| 05:55.28 | kergoth | CodeYoddler: it has its own packaging format. |
| 05:55.32 | CodeYoddler | ok |
| 05:55.37 | kergoth | CodeYoddler: called the itsy packaging system. ipkg. |
| 05:55.41 | kergoth | .ipk files |
| 05:55.49 | CodeYoddler | Is Zaurus software compatible with OZ software? |
| 05:56.02 | fishy | most |
| 05:56.07 | kergoth | yes, it is. |
| 05:56.14 | fishy | 99% :) |
| 05:56.19 | kergoth | whats the 1%? |
| 05:56.36 | fishy | ermm... |
| 05:56.42 | fishy | opera :P |
| 05:56.58 | kergoth | opera works.. once you symlinkt eh buttons dir |
| 05:57.08 | kergoth | just crashes once in a while :) |
| 05:57.20 | redfenix | kergoth: shit... it does that on the desktop too. |
| 05:57.43 | kergoth | hehe. I use phoenix when i'm in X (rare) |
| 05:57.51 | CodeYoddler | is there a mozilla for the zaurus or something? |
| 05:57.54 | redfenix | phoenix? |
| 05:58.00 | redfenix | CodeYoddler: you're joking, right? |
| 05:58.02 | kergoth | CodeYoddler: noep, but konqueror/embedded exists |
| 05:58.08 | fishy | is konquiror(sp?) better |
| 05:58.13 | fishy | than opera? |
| 05:58.17 | fishy | on zaurus |
| 05:58.26 | kergoth | redfenix: phoenix is a mozila based browser, more lightweight, start time is less |
| 05:58.32 | kergoth | redfenix: check it out |
| 05:58.38 | kergoth | mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/ |
| 05:58.48 | fishy | no mail/chat program in phoenix |
| 05:58.52 | fishy | or composer |
| 05:59.06 | kergoth | right, its only a browser. |
| 05:59.17 | kergoth | myself, I use mutt for email and vim for html, so hey ;) |
| 05:59.29 | redfenix | kergoth: I use galeon... is phoenix faster? |
| 05:59.44 | kergoth | try it and see. i dunno offhand |
| 05:59.50 | kergoth | been a while since i played with galeon |
| 06:00.35 | treke|home | kergoth: not that much more light weight. |
| 06:00.40 | treke|home | kergoth: Just much snappier |
| 06:00.58 | treke|home | that's the amazing part of it |
| 06:00.58 | kergoth | ah |
| 06:01.08 | kergoth | better responsiveness then, i should say |
| 06:01.09 | treke|home | all the shit is there, just somehow it isnt butt ass slow |
| 06:02.08 | redfenix | kergoth: btw... had to redo menuconfig... didn't include ipkg for build system. |
| 06:02.21 | redfenix | kergoth: and I had it support old ipk's too. |
| 06:02.24 | kergoth | ah yeah, hard to build ipks without that |
| 06:02.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:02.35 | fishy | kergoth, I read this PPC article saying that Xscale was slower than arm (in real world tests) because PPC OS wasent compilded/optimized/made for xscale, is this true about OZ/standard ROM? |
| 06:02.35 | kergoth | ah cool. output/classicipks/ will have the old format ipks |
| 06:02.39 | kergoth | those will install on sharp |
| 06:02.49 | kergoth | fishy: sharp's rom isnt optimized either, so yes that hurts it |
| 06:02.57 | redfenix | kergoth: but, just in case, I am building ipkg and busybox. |
| 06:03.05 | redfenix | kergoth: do I need busybox? |
| 06:03.08 | fishy | kergoth, and OZ? |
| 06:03.11 | kergoth | fishy: we can optimize teh base system, but if we optimize the gui, we lose binary compatibility. you wont be able to use existing commercial apps |
| 06:03.22 | fishy | i see |
| 06:03.26 | fishy | fair trade :) |
| 06:03.29 | kergoth | fishy: so i'll optimize everything i can with regard to base, and use prelink, and release two roms, one gcc2, one gcc3 (c++ apps) |
| 06:03.37 | kergoth | so you can choose wehther its worth the tradeoff |
| 06:03.59 | fishy | :D |
| 06:04.20 | kergoth | its definately noticable even on the 5500! |
| 06:04.26 | kergoth | optimizations, that is |
| 06:04.56 | redfenix | kergoth: hey... um... busybox: Enable support for old tar header format (CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_OLDGNU_COMPATABILITY) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 06:04.59 | redfenix | ?? |
| 06:05.04 | redfenix | is this something I need? |
| 06:05.13 | kergoth | redfenix: enable it. i need to update my defautl busybox config in the buidlsystem |
| 06:05.16 | kergoth | just hit enter |
| 06:05.19 | kergoth | when busybox prompts you for things |
| 06:05.27 | redfenix | default is N. |
| 06:05.27 | kergoth | for the most part anyway |
| 06:05.32 | redfenix | enter would disable it. |
| 06:05.32 | fishy | and kergoth, i read somewhere about how you can turn on the cache on c700, is that real/does it help? |
| 06:05.33 | kergoth | yeah, i know |
| 06:05.36 | kergoth | enable that one |
| 06:05.36 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:05.39 | redfenix | ok |
| 06:05.41 | kergoth | fishy: yes, and yes |
| 06:05.48 | kergoth | fishy: but its disabled for a reason |
| 06:05.53 | kergoth | fishy: to deal with an xscale bug |
| 06:05.54 | fishy | mem leak? |
| 06:05.57 | kergoth | fishy: so you could be taking on a risk |
| 06:06.03 | redfenix | sha1sum? wtf is that? |
| 06:06.08 | fishy | hmm |
| 06:06.10 | fishy | k |
| 06:06.31 | kergoth | redfenix: another algorithm.. you know, like md5sum.. but not md5.. sha1.. |
| 06:06.42 | redfenix | oh.. I've heard of it... |
| 06:07.07 | redfenix | inetd? does anything on Z need this? hmm... usb maybe? |
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| 06:07.48 | fishy | inetd = not needed unless running certan types of servers :P |
| 06:07.50 | kergoth | redfenix: some users want a ftp server outside opie, or telnet (*cough*idiots*cough*) |
| 06:08.08 | kergoth | redfenix: but you dont need the busybox one, we have the seperate one for now |
| 06:08.11 | redfenix | fishy: I'm familiar with what inetd does, but I didn't know if zaurus uses it for something funky. |
| 06:08.25 | fishy | probally not :P |
| 06:08.35 | fishy | but dont listen to me :P |
| 06:08.37 | redfenix | ok... comping again. =) |
| 06:09.29 | redfenix | speaking of mandrake... how come there's no mandrake for the Z? =P |
| 06:09.44 | fishy | mandrake = bloat |
| 06:09.59 | redfenix | heheh.. I know... it's like the only distro that is more bloated than redhat. |
| 06:10.00 | kergoth | fishy: i do believe that was sarcasm |
| 06:10.05 | kergoth | heheh |
| 06:10.15 | fishy | bloat for z |
| 06:10.22 | redfenix | zbloat? |
| 06:10.26 | fishy | :P |
| 06:10.29 | redfenix | heh |
| 06:10.55 | redfenix | zbloat.ipk 348028k |
| 06:12.28 | fishy | lol |
| 06:13.10 | redfenix | kergoth: it's cool how the OZ make uses ftp and cvs and stuff... |
| 06:14.01 | kergoth | redfenix: saves time. it does everything you need |
| 06:14.15 | redfenix | kergoth: did it take long to get that all working |
| 06:14.18 | redfenix | ? |
| 06:14.21 | mspencer | I fixed my C700 Japanese input and font problems! Anybody want me to share my solution? ^__^ |
| 06:14.46 | kergoth | mspencer: please do |
| 06:14.47 | redfenix | mspencer: did you get it to quit switching back to japanese when you tab to another field? |
| 06:15.07 | mspencer | mine never started... |
| 06:15.22 | redfenix | mine still does... in address book anyway. |
| 06:15.36 | redfenix | even swiveling the screen does it. |
| 06:16.00 | mspencer | then get off yer ass and learn katakana! "mi ti n gu wi zu mi su ta ro bi n so n" |
| 06:16.04 | kergoth | redfenix: i hate that.. |
| 06:16.16 | redfenix | me too. |
| 06:16.55 | redfenix | mspencer: even if I did learn, it all prints out as squares anyway. |
| 06:17.09 | mspencer | I fixed that ^__^ |
| 06:17.20 | redfenix | and how do you spell "Kevin" in kanji? |
| 06:17.26 | kergoth | mspencer: hehe, come on.. out with it.. :) |
| 06:17.27 | mspencer | KE BI N |
| 06:17.36 | mspencer | wait, not kanji... |
| 06:17.45 | oGMo | you don't :P |
| 06:17.45 | oGMo | heh |
| 06:17.53 | redfenix | oGMo: exactly! |
| 06:17.57 | mspencer | you could use 'nichi' for 'bi'...not sure if there's a kanji that's read 'n'... |
| 06:18.01 | mspencer | but you can use katakana :) |
| 06:18.05 | oGMo | mspencer: yeah |
| 06:18.31 | mspencer | ƒPƒrƒ“ |
| 06:18.46 | oGMo | which is pretty cool, it's like importing sounds into a namespace ... or something ;) |
| 06:19.11 | redfenix | mspencer: so, in address book, it doesn't switch you back when hitting tab? |
| 06:19.14 | mspencer | anyway...basically, to avoid the mojibake problem, you just remove all the fonts except the one that displays Japanese properly. This is not really a solution. |
| 06:19.19 | mspencer | *checks* |
| 06:19.21 | sukoshi | $B%1%S%s(B |
| 06:19.55 | mspencer | wow, I never noticed that. Yeah, it switches every time I hit tab. |
| 06:20.09 | redfenix | mspencer: now... fix _that_! |
| 06:20.10 | redfenix | =P |
| 06:20.21 | kergoth | i can fix that |
| 06:20.22 | mspencer | that...might be beyond my abilities ^__^ |
| 06:20.23 | sukoshi | $B;d$NL>A0$O(B ;) |
| 06:20.26 | kergoth | :P |
| 06:20.38 | redfenix | with what? opie? =P =P =P |
| 06:21.07 | mspencer | (‚Ђ炪‚È‚Å‚©‚¢‚Ä‚‚¾‚³‚¢BBB) |
| 06:22.06 | mspencer | (I mean, I know Ž„ but I haven't learned the rest...) |
| 06:22.17 | warmi | sukoshi : I don't know if you aware but French fries are from now on knowns as "freedom fries" |
| 06:22.17 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:22.29 | sukoshi | lol |
| 06:22.35 | warmi | at least in certain places in Washinghton |
| 06:22.56 | sukoshi | mspencer: what is your irc client? |
| 06:23.15 | mspencer | Trillian |
| 06:23.30 | sukoshi | it didn't work when you typed |
| 06:23.51 | mspencer | ah, sorry... |
| 06:24.41 | sukoshi | warmi: what is funny in our country is that we elected a jerk, who will go to jail when he'll finish his 'mandature' for robbery |
| 06:24.49 | mspencer | I tried to say "hiragana de kaite kudasai..." and then "I mean, I know 'watashi' but I haven't learned the rest) |
| 06:25.22 | sukoshi | and thereafter this guy stands in front of the world saying i'm cool, peaceful, and clean |
| 06:26.27 | warmi | sukoshi : you mean Chirac ? |
| 06:26.36 | sukoshi | warmi: yes |
| 06:26.39 | warmi | he is being accused of something like that ? |
| 06:26.51 | sukoshi | there are so many clues, |
| 06:26.51 | redfenix | kergoth: my poor cpu has been pegged for the last 1/2 hour straight! |
| 06:26.53 | chouimat | sukoshi: chirac is a parisian? |
| 06:27.15 | warmi | sukoshi : nah .. bush is anything but dumb - he outsmarted democrats time and time again ... |
| 06:27.18 | kergoth | redfenix: you oughtta see a full feed build |
| 06:27.20 | sukoshi | so many charges possible, but as a president it is easy to dismiss judges |
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| 06:27.30 | kergoth | redfenix: I had my box, using distcc across a couple others, running most of the day :) |
| 06:27.41 | redfenix | kergoth: wow. |
| 06:27.54 | redfenix | kergoth: I need another 1.2Ghz cpu on this baby! |
| 06:28.02 | kergoth | dont we all :) |
| 06:28.03 | redfenix | make -j! |
| 06:28.04 | oGMo | dude, with Bush comes Ashcroft |
| 06:28.05 | sukoshi | warmi: sorry, but imho bush looks like a non intelligent person |
| 06:28.14 | oGMo | just think of _that_ ;) |
| 06:28.29 | redfenix | funny.. Ashcroft used to be a nice guy. |
| 06:28.31 | kergoth | god i hate politics |
| 06:28.35 | sukoshi | lol |
| 06:28.35 | kergoth | i really do |
| 06:28.36 | redfenix | kergoth: me too. |
| 06:28.36 | chouimat | ok I will stay with Chretien then |
| 06:28.37 | warmi | sukoshi : looks are deceiving |
| 06:28.37 | sukoshi | me too |
| 06:28.44 | oGMo | sukoshi: intelligent or not, he's not very wise |
| 06:28.53 | redfenix | my mother went to HS with Aschroft's brother. |
| 06:28.58 | sukoshi | chouimat: who is Chretien? |
| 06:28.59 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah same here, except they're always there |
| 06:29.05 | kergoth | oGMo: have you _ever_ seen a wise politician? ;) |
| 06:29.20 | oGMo | kergoth: well, i dunno... Bush Sr. was much wiser than Jr |
| 06:29.34 | warmi | kergoth : they all start out pretty smart ... |
| 06:29.44 | kergoth | warmi: smart != wise |
| 06:29.53 | oGMo | there was a link the other day talking about what Bush Sr. has been recommending to Jr. |
| 06:29.57 | mspencer | upgrading ipkg isn't that difficult, is it? |
| 06:30.05 | mspencer | (not risky, I mean...) |
| 06:30.15 | kergoth | nah, just replace the binary |
| 06:30.18 | redfenix | mspencer: I'm building it right now... =P |
| 06:30.32 | warmi | oGMo: not really, he made a mistake of not finishing the job back in 1991 .... big mistake |
| 06:30.34 | redfenix | kergoth: is the binary all you have to replace/add? |
| 06:30.50 | mspencer | or can I just get ar and skip ipkg or something? :) |
| 06:30.51 | kergoth | redfenix: should be sufficient, yeah |
| 06:30.55 | redfenix | warmi: agreed. |
| 06:30.56 | kergoth | redfenix: thats all i did on mine |
| 06:30.56 | oGMo | warmi: eh.. there were good reasons not to then... Powell was the one who recomended against it, iirc |
| 06:31.24 | redfenix | oGMo: and those reasons don't still exist today? |
| 06:31.29 | oGMo | i have a lot more trust in the administration knowing what they were doing then than now |
| 06:31.29 | kergoth | oGMo: there are always reasons for anything.. I dont think they outweighed the benefits |
| 06:31.52 | oGMo | redfenix: there may be good reasons not to now, but I don't have enough information |
| 06:32.02 | redfenix | I'd say there are more good reasons not too now than then. |
| 06:32.10 | redfenix | er. s/too/to |
| 06:32.10 | warmi | oGMo: well, September 11 is the result of that ( not direct but still ) |
| 06:32.11 | oGMo | imnsho there's _no_ good reason for starting a war, though |
| 06:32.21 | oGMo | warmi: er, that's bs |
| 06:32.24 | sukoshi | warmi: if he finished the job in 91, american would have been looked at as freedom provider, but not pain provider by irakians |
| 06:32.29 | oGMo | if you mean saddam -> sept.11 |
| 06:32.36 | redfenix | back then, we had the war already... should have finished it while we were there. |
| 06:32.42 | kergoth | redfenix: yep |
| 06:32.48 | oGMo | there's no sept.11->current-saddam-situation connetion ;P |
| 06:32.52 | warmi | oGMo: no I mean that Osama main complain was presence of US army in SA .. why do you think they are there ? |
| 06:32.58 | mspencer | Yeah. One sided aggression, where another country's military has its way with your country, is even better than war. |
| 06:32.59 | kergoth | it makes _NO_ sense to leave an enemy to come against you in the ftuure |
| 06:33.01 | kergoth | future |
| 06:33.07 | warmi | but, to tell you the truth - the main reason is US support for Israel |
| 06:33.15 | oGMo | warmi: SA? |
| 06:33.16 | mspencer | wow, that statement could go both ways, and I didn't see it until just now. Cool :) |
| 06:33.23 | redfenix | honestly... if we did take out sadam then... we may have seen sept. 11th sooner than we did... |
| 06:33.27 | warmi | Saudi Arabia |
| 06:33.29 | oGMo | oh |
| 06:33.32 | redfenix | it would have pissed bin laden off even more. |
| 06:33.50 | oGMo | (it's late and the acronym expander isn't functioning ;) |
| 06:34.00 | redfenix | but maybe we would have been more prepared for such acts right after fighting a war... |
| 06:34.12 | redfenix | maybe watching our backs more then then we were 2 years ago. |
| 06:34.38 | warmi | basically, the only way for US to stop this confrontation with Arabs is to abandon support for Israel ... |
| 06:34.41 | oGMo | redfenix: true... there were also theories of saddam being a stabilizing influence |
| 06:34.44 | warmi | and that they cannot do |
| 06:34.58 | redfenix | warmi: that's a bad idea. |
| 06:35.03 | redfenix | warmi: on many levels. |
| 06:35.08 | oGMo | i don't know, but i have a fair trust that those who were in charge _did_ know |
| 06:35.09 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 06:35.20 | warmi | all I am saying is that this is really the reason why Arabs despise US |
| 06:35.30 | oGMo | eh |
| 06:35.35 | oGMo | there are lots of reasons |
| 06:35.45 | warmi | that's the main reason |
| 06:35.48 | oGMo | why do you think we went into desert * in the first place ;) |
| 06:36.00 | redfenix | if U.S. stopped supporting Israel, we'd have lots more enemies than we do now. |
| 06:36.00 | oGMo | the fact it happened is just another factor |
| 06:36.31 | warmi | redfenix : how so ? |
| 06:36.34 | oGMo | kergoth++ ;) |
| 06:36.37 | redfenix | nite kergoth. |
| 06:36.48 | redfenix | redfenix: UN support for one. |
| 06:37.10 | redfenix | er. I'm talking to myself now... I need sleep. =P |
| 06:37.16 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:37.33 | chouimat|zzz | night |
| 06:37.37 | warmi | night |
| 06:37.38 | redfenix | nite |
| 06:38.01 | warmi | anyway, I think BUsh is doing the right thing ... |
| 06:38.11 | warmi | will see how it turns out.. |
| 06:38.27 | oGMo | if it's the last tihng we do |
| 06:38.28 | oGMo | ;) |
| 06:39.06 | warmi | this country is doomed but for other reasons .. |
| 06:39.21 | redfenix | let's just hope the U.S. doesn't fall someday like Enron did. |
| 06:39.33 | warmi | it will ... |
| 06:39.44 | redfenix | who would take its place? |
| 06:39.45 | warmi | not like Enron but more like Roman Empire ;-) |
| 06:41.05 | warmi | this country is already starting to lose its character ... simply put , at some point society becomes so comfortable that it starts slowly but surely to degenerate .. |
| 06:41.06 | oGMo | the usa is nothing on rome |
| 06:41.09 | chouimat|zzz | hmm politics at 1h40 in the morning |
| 06:41.10 | oGMo | redfenix: china, probably |
| 06:41.18 | oGMo | they've been looking that way for years |
| 06:41.46 | redfenix | oGMo: hm.. they have the force, but not the affluency... and certainly not the economy. |
| 06:41.58 | oGMo | once full government reform happens there, there won't be anything holding them back |
| 06:42.01 | oGMo | er |
| 06:42.07 | oGMo | redfenix: they have the economy ;) |
| 06:42.21 | redfenix | oGMo: may be true... but look how long it's taking Russia for their reform. |
| 06:42.21 | mspencer | once full government reform happens here, there won't be anything holding us back either :) |
| 06:42.32 | oGMo | afaict it's at a point where it's ready to take off, once political issues settle |
| 06:42.33 | redfenix | mspencer: heheh... well met. |
| 06:42.45 | oGMo | mspencer: hah :) |
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| 06:43.00 | warmi | oGMo: untill they are free society they will not take off anywhere ... :-) |
| 06:43.18 | oGMo | unfortunately we don't seem to be headed in the right direction, and they do |
| 06:43.26 | redfenix | warmi: it's a republic, no? |
| 06:43.35 | warmi | redfenix : china ?? |
| 06:43.38 | oGMo | warmi: likely not, but i can see it happening within the next 5-10 years |
| 06:43.43 | oGMo | redfenix: no ;) |
| 06:43.44 | kendrick | re |
| 06:43.50 | oGMo | it's communist... kinda |
| 06:43.51 | kendrick | (via e-mail so far) |
| 06:44.06 | redfenix | oGMo: I thought china had a president or something... |
| 06:44.28 | redfenix | kendrick: for what kind of position? |
| 06:44.30 | warmi | yeah, China is as republic as Soviet Union used to be |
| 06:44.31 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:44.46 | oGMo | it's a rather odd situation as i've heard, where basically everyone wants reform, except the old officials, so it's still communist in part to satisfy that |
| 06:44.53 | redfenix | warmi: right up there with Cuba, eh? |
| 06:44.59 | oGMo | redfenix: what warmi said |
| 06:45.12 | oGMo | but that's changing |
| 06:45.29 | redfenix | oGMo: well, shit... they built just about everything in my house... |
| 06:45.29 | oGMo | unlike the soviet union, when it does change they probably won't be broke |
| 06:45.30 | mspencer | OK, I wonder... |
| 06:45.44 | mspencer | I work in the 27th floor of a tower in downtown Omaha. |
| 06:45.46 | redfenix | prolly built my c700 too. |
| 06:46.03 | mspencer | Do you think I'd be more likely to pick up stray wifi activity with my C700 and kismet, than someone on the ground? |
| 06:46.21 | mspencer | Or is 27 stories high enough that even line of sight outside would deteriorate signals too much? |
| 06:46.40 | oGMo | taht's a definite maybe |
| 06:46.43 | kendrick | redfenix - a job :) |
| 06:46.43 | redfenix | mspencer: + line of sight, - distance |
| 06:46.43 | kendrick | hehehe |
| 06:46.53 | warmi | kendrick : Zaurus related ? |
| 06:47.02 | redfenix | kendrick: heh... better than the alternative, I guess. |
| 06:47.21 | kendrick | i'd love that :) |
| 06:47.26 | kendrick | i just need a job |
| 06:47.30 | redfenix | mspencer: you're in omaha? I'm in KC. |
| 06:47.46 | kendrick | i grep'd my apache logs and noticed someone at [something].sharp.co.jp looked at /bill/resume/[something] recently :) |
| 06:47.56 | kendrick | so i decided to be proactive |
| 06:48.03 | mspencer | cool :) |
| 06:48.03 | warmi | ah .. so that's how you "catch" them .. |
| 06:48.09 | kendrick | though i assume since they didn't contact me then, they don't want me |
| 06:48.10 | warmi | anyway, time for me |
| 06:48.13 | warmi | see you tommorow |
| 06:48.13 | kendrick | but no reason not to pester, eh? :) |
| 06:48.16 | kendrick | cya |
| 06:49.01 | redfenix | I'm about to just let this OZ compile finish overnight. |
| 06:51.39 | redfenix | nite. |
| 07:00.56 | mspencer | cool, kismet installed! |
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| 07:05.23 | noidd | bah, I missed a political discussion |
| 07:05.27 | noidd | shame on me :-0 |
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| 07:41.11 | frankps | morning all |
| 07:41.22 | kendrick | hello |
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| 07:45.01 | noidd | allo kendrick, long time no see |
| 07:45.14 | kendrick | yeah, been off irc lately |
| 07:45.18 | kendrick | busy with tux paint and work |
| 07:45.20 | kendrick | now laid off :) |
| 07:45.23 | kendrick | i mean :( |
| 07:45.23 | kendrick | :) |
| 07:45.29 | oGMo | heh |
| 07:46.27 | noidd | not too shiny then |
| 07:46.34 | noidd | job hunting? or nice big payoff :-) |
| 07:46.58 | kendrick | hunting :( |
| 07:48.59 | NeoTron | can you try accessing http://cookiemonster.eongames.com/ ? |
| 07:49.02 | NeoTron | does it work ok? |
| 07:50.39 | kendrick | i see stuff :) |
| 07:50.41 | kendrick | konq 2.2.2 |
| 07:51.19 | kendrick | wow, snails is _cute_ |
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| 08:01.33 | kendrick | so what's snails like, exactly? |
| 08:02.15 | kendrick | btw, you might want to change this: |
| 08:02.21 | kendrick | "Amazing Audio, including professional music, sound effects, and voices tailored specifically for the Pocket PC, with or without headphones!" |
| 08:02.23 | kendrick | :) |
| 08:03.35 | kolla | professional music, huh? :) |
| 08:03.48 | Twiun | mornin' |
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| 08:07.15 | kendrick | re |
| 08:07.47 | noidd | mornin Twuin |
| 08:08.50 | mspencer | If anyone has a quick list...if not, don't worry about it...but...what are the major feeds for Zaurus software? |
| 08:09.55 | kendrick | sorry :( |
| 08:10.04 | mspencer | n/p :) |
| 08:13.07 | NeoTron | kendrick: woops. :P cut'n'paste. :P |
| 08:13.17 | noidd | i'm looking forward to seeing openzaurus' shiney new sound driver |
| 08:13.42 | kendrick | so Neo... hiring? |
| 08:13.51 | NeoTron | kendrick: know what Worms is? |
| 08:13.57 | kendrick | vaguely |
| 08:14.04 | NeoTron | Scorched Earth? |
| 08:14.32 | NeoTron | basically, kill the other team of tanks or worms or in this case snails |
| 08:14.35 | NeoTron | using various weapons |
| 08:14.36 | kendrick | yeah |
| 08:14.39 | mspencer | is it safe to make a backup of ipkg and create a symlink for it that points to ipkg-0.99.37 ? |
| 08:14.43 | NeoTron | you have wind and gravity to consider etc |
| 08:14.47 | mspencer | Are they compatible enough for that to not cause problems? |
| 08:15.14 | kendrick | i played the banana-throwing king-kong QBASIC game ;) |
| 08:15.29 | NeoTron | in either case, seems like the new host works so I'll move eongames.com today. :P |
| 08:15.30 | NeoTron | whee. :P |
| 08:15.52 | NeoTron | kendrick: and no, not hiring - no income. :-P |
| 08:16.12 | kendrick | sucks :( |
| 08:16.20 | NeoTron | meaning no income worth shit in the real world from Eon Games, and far from enough to support myself even. :P |
| 08:16.20 | kendrick | you have a Real Job (tm)? |
| 08:16.44 | kendrick | how do you handle licensing, OOC? |
| 08:17.58 | NeoTron | I do yes. developer at RNWK |
| 08:18.27 | kendrick | bless you |
| 08:18.29 | kendrick | where? :) |
| 08:21.18 | NeoTron | where? |
| 08:21.26 | kolla | here? |
| 08:21.48 | NeoTron | if you mean, where I work -> Real Networks (RNWK == stock symbol) |
| 08:23.58 | kolla | wow.. a real network? |
| 08:24.45 | NeoTron | kendrick: as for licensing of stuff I port, it's always case-on-case basis but so far it's always on a percentage of the sales |
| 08:24.59 | NeoTron | meaning I get like 20-50%, they get the rest |
| 08:25.28 | kendrick | ouch |
| 08:25.58 | NeoTron | yeah, kind of, but if you think about how much work I do compared to how much they do, it's pretty fair |
| 08:25.58 | kendrick | do they help you promote? |
| 08:26.06 | NeoTron | not to any great extent |
| 08:26.12 | kendrick | suckage |
| 08:26.15 | NeoTron | I think Snails might be mostly so |
| 08:26.26 | NeoTron | there' isn't much to do in terms of promotion - the market is tiny. :P |
| 08:26.38 | kendrick | which is why you need EVRYone to buy a copy ;) |
| 08:26.50 | kendrick | course, some of us are poor to begin with, and no jobless <:^( |
| 08:29.47 | kybu | hi |
| 08:30.58 | kendrick | cya neo, et al! |
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| 09:43.48 | Zxcvb | is there an easier way to make the zaurus use NAT? |
| 09:43.51 | Zxcvb | I have been using iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o ethX --to MY_IP |
| 09:44.25 | Zxcvb | oops, make that "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o ppp0 --to MY_IP", the only problem is that MY_IP changes |
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| 10:32.20 | huberti__ | is there any FAQ on how to connect my Zaurus to debian box, and be able to sync? |
| 10:34.59 | huberti__ | is there anybody? |
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| 10:44.35 | NEOtyk | is there any possibility to connect zaurus to debian box? |
| 10:46.40 | Wintre | ibot howto |
| 10:46.40 | | well, howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
| 10:49.12 | Wintre | More directly, http://docs.zaurus.com/lc_debian.shtml |
| 11:04.01 | NEOtyk | thanks dude |
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| 11:43.41 | Zxcvb_ | what would it take to port gameboy advance software to the zaurus? |
| 11:43.56 | Zxcvb_ | assuming full source is available |
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| 13:07.50 | noidd | ah ha! |
| 13:10.03 | Twiun | oh ho! |
| 13:10.59 | noidd | howsit going Twiun? |
| 13:11.03 | noidd | keeping busy? |
| 13:11.14 | noidd | you know anyone who uses syncing with oz? |
| 13:11.21 | noidd | got this really strange thing |
| 13:11.39 | Twiun | not offhand, no. |
| 13:11.51 | Twiun | I'm ok though, looking at a possible short-term contract atm :) |
| 13:12.01 | noidd | cool, anything interesting? |
| 13:12.13 | noidd | ] |
| 13:12.20 | noidd | brb - gotta go get lunch |
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| 13:57.35 | doughecka | hii hooo |
| 13:58.32 | doughecka | well, nice talking with ya, wonderfull folks, very talkative. cya |
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| 14:13.42 | Pendalar_ | heh |
| 14:14.01 | Pendalar_ | doh why must I come back and my nickname always be messed up *sigh* |
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| 14:36.30 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:37.31 | CodeYoddler | morning to all and to all a good day |
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| 15:00.42 | simcon | hi, http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus seems to be down. |
| 15:00.47 | simcon | ZSI |
| 15:00.55 | simcon | anyone else experiencing this? |
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| 15:17.50 | Pendalar | they are apparently updating the site |
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| 15:19.01 | simcon | ok |
| 15:19.14 | Pendalar | do http://www.killefiz.de/ |
| 15:19.34 | Pendalar | tons of broken links, and the whole part that is working I don't think was there yesterday or day before |
| 15:19.58 | simcon | i just get a 404 |
| 15:20.08 | Pendalar | actually come to think of it, it worked about 4 hours ago |
| 15:20.13 | Pendalar | unless it was pulling from cache |
| 15:20.36 | simcon | well it ain't working for me :) i'll try later on. |
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| 15:23.50 | ShiShi | hello |
| 15:24.06 | ShiShi | someone can give me a site to dl some game for my Z pliz? |
| 15:24.33 | simcon | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus but it's down at the moment |
| 15:25.27 | simcon | also http://www.handango.com/PlatformSoftware.jsp?siteId=1&jid=FD285B3XB2X7B2356381695C261F2BC3&platformId=9 |
| 15:26.24 | Pendalar | try the zsi2 site |
| 15:26.36 | Pendalar | it might be up, although it uses the same mysql db afaik |
| 15:27.20 | Pendalar | zsi2.stonekeep something |
| 15:27.24 | Pendalar | beats me |
| 15:27.30 | simcon | hehe i can't remember it |
| 15:28.40 | Pendalar | yep |
| 15:28.41 | Pendalar | http://zsi2.stonekeep.com |
| 15:28.41 | ShiShi | Pendalar yep |
| 15:28.43 | Pendalar | have at it |
| 15:28.50 | ShiShi | thx :) |
| 15:30.08 | simcon | i see on Handango that tkcCalendar has 2270 downloads @ $12.05 = $27,353 :) |
| 15:30.15 | simcon | cool |
| 15:30.27 | Pendalar | well yeah but handago gets a percentage |
| 15:30.35 | simcon | yeah dunno how much |
| 15:30.43 | simcon | 20% maybe |
| 15:31.03 | Pendalar | nah prob more like 10% or so but I wouldn't know as I haven't used them |
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| 15:32.45 | kybu | i don't beleive that 2270 is the number of the payed people |
| 15:34.16 | ljp_work | its actually around 30%, and sales does not equal downloads |
| 15:34.30 | simcon | oh :( |
| 15:37.36 | Pendalar | ouch |
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| 15:42.48 | krezel_ | Does anybody here have experience ripping DVD's or with DVD formats? |
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| 15:53.22 | sukoshi_ | hi |
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| 15:54.57 | coldgrits | hola |
| 15:55.01 | sukoshi_ | hi |
| 15:55.26 | coldgrits | got a zaurus question ... is it normal to have a 3 load average on a zaurus? |
| 15:56.11 | hardwire | yeeks! |
| 15:56.28 | coldgrits | uh, yeah. that's what i said |
| 15:57.23 | coldgrits | ok, thanks! |
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| 15:58.03 | hardwire | coldgrits: seems my psychic abilities to solve your problems are being trapped by something |
| 15:58.05 | hardwire | err |
| 15:58.09 | hardwire | fudge |
| 15:58.33 | hardwire | damn on-topicers |
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| 16:00.11 | ljp_work | there's a topic here? |
| 16:02.29 | hardwire | /topic |
| 16:02.58 | hardwire | whatchuuu been up too ljp_work! |
| 16:03.33 | ljp_work | not much, really |
| 16:03.56 | ljp_work | still looking for a better job |
| 16:06.27 | hardwire | doh |
| 16:08.01 | ljp_work | heh just read on techtv about vercel maybe going on sale in August |
| 16:08.15 | hardwire | neato :) |
| 16:08.27 | hardwire | personally I would like to see the SA chips begin flooding into car computing |
| 16:08.30 | ljp_work | heh... vaporware |
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| 16:09.16 | sig | check this out |
| 16:09.17 | sig | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3012489060&category=15030 |
| 16:09.29 | ljp_work | vercel's website has about as much info as a business card |
| 16:09.43 | hardwire | I had a dream I for some reason bougght a 1gb SD card |
| 16:09.56 | hardwire | ljp_work: yeah.. we all wanna know more.. but can't |
| 16:10.01 | ljp_work | sd? |
| 16:10.11 | hardwire | tell em I will redo it "and make it work under most browsers" for a vercel |
| 16:10.12 | hardwire | :) |
| 16:10.21 | hardwire | ljp_work: Secure Digital. |
| 16:10.35 | ljp_work | heh, I know that. but 1gb sd? |
| 16:10.51 | hardwire | well.. I was dreaming |
| 16:12.12 | ljp_work | boy were you!@ |
| 16:12.18 | ljp_work | blaht |
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| 16:19.04 | hardwire | mmphm |
| 16:20.38 | ljp_work | I should dust off my vercel and see how far they have gotten with the os |
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| 16:33.21 | Pendalar | sup ben |
| 16:33.33 | mandrake | icefox: hey I won't be able to make this weekend |
| 16:33.37 | mandrake | icefox: next weekend looks good, though |
| 16:33.49 | ShiShi | what should i dl to use picoGUI ? |
| 16:34.00 | ShiShi | i don't find the .ipk |
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| 16:37.45 | kybu | hi xavier |
| 16:38.48 | XavierXeon | hi kybu |
| 16:39.41 | icefox | http://www.wirelesscables.com/ |
| 16:39.51 | icefox | mandrake: next weekend should work fine |
| 16:39.57 | icefox | 22/23 correct? |
| 16:40.36 | mandrake | err.. lemme look ;) |
| 16:40.49 | mandrake | yeah :) |
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| 16:43.02 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 16:43.05 | warmi | hi |
| 16:43.12 | mark | yoyo warmi |
| 16:44.43 | mewyn | warmi: do you get a lot of telemarketer calls? |
| 16:45.08 | warmi | yeah, tons |
| 16:45.39 | warmi | basically I don't pick up my phone unless I can recognize phone number ( I have caller ID ) |
| 16:45.51 | mewyn | well, you'd be glad to hear that the nationlal do not call list is law and should be running by summer |
| 16:46.00 | warmi | yeah, I read about that .. |
| 16:46.22 | warmi | well, it doesn't bother me all that much anymore - Ilearned to live with this annoyance |
| 16:46.49 | mewyn | this is also a good way to get 500 buck a pop for the annoyance |
| 16:47.18 | warmi | uh .. a long shot if you ask me :-) |
| 16:48.06 | mewyn | i know people who do that on a regular basis without the national list |
| 16:48.13 | warmi | really ? |
| 16:48.56 | mewyn | yah |
| 16:48.57 | warmi | it would seem like a long and painfull way of "earning" $500 considering that you would have to file complains and do all kinds of follow ups .. |
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| 16:49.32 | mewyn | currently you get the company name and address and have them put you on their do not call list, if they call back you send them a formal letter about it |
| 16:50.37 | warmi | the thing is that non-profits are excluded from that law/list and I was getting quite a few of these type of calls as well |
| 16:50.55 | nessie | has someone tried to put a new battery in a 5500 instead of the old model? |
| 16:51.59 | warmi | a new type of battery ? where do you get one ? are you talking about 5600 or C700 battery ? |
| 16:52.04 | sukoshi_ | a B500 / 5600 onr |
| 16:52.06 | sukoshi_ | one |
| 16:52.09 | warmi | ah ok |
| 16:53.11 | sukoshi_ | http://zaurus-ja.sourceforge.jp/images/sl-c700/tokki.jpg |
| 16:53.25 | sukoshi_ | http://zaurus-ja.sourceforge.jp/images/sl-c700/tokki-top.jpg |
| 16:53.32 | sukoshi_ | http://zaurus-ja.sourceforge.jp/images/sl-c700/bl06-and-bl08.jpg |
| 16:54.06 | warmi | hmm .. something with a "made in japan" sticker .. |
| 16:54.15 | warmi | haven't seen that for a while :-) |
| 16:54.17 | sukoshi_ | http://zaurus-ja.sourceforge.jp/images/sl-c700/tokki-removed.jpg |
| 16:54.28 | sukoshi_ | B500's battery |
| 16:56.39 | mewyn | mmm crepes |
| 16:57.25 | mewyn | warmi: don't suppose any changes have occured recently |
| 16:59.01 | warmi | nothing that I know of |
| 16:59.18 | mewyn | foo |
| 16:59.21 | warmi | mewyn: heh ... when I know something new ... |
| 16:59.29 | warmi | trust me , I will be first to send you an email |
| 16:59.35 | mewyn | yah, i know |
| 17:00.03 | mewyn | it's just, i want a real job, real bad :) |
| 17:00.22 | warmi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:02.02 | mewyn | at least it's not gonna be a huge financial push, i'm getting a bunch of money back from the government, and i should be able to cover my bills |
| 17:02.25 | warmi | oh , tax return |
| 17:02.28 | mewyn | yah |
| 17:02.33 | warmi | I have to pay up $1000 |
| 17:02.37 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:02.38 | mewyn | ick |
| 17:02.40 | treke | warmi: suckage |
| 17:02.47 | mewyn | someone didn't mark 0 dependants :) |
| 17:02.57 | warmi | I don't want to .. |
| 17:03.18 | mewyn | i'd like to break even |
| 17:03.37 | treke | breaking even is good |
| 17:04.00 | warmi | actually I don't mind paying 1000 or so ... it is better than giving them this up front |
| 17:04.00 | mewyn | right now, though, it's actually kinda good for me to get a refund |
| 17:04.08 | warmi | 4 years ago I had to pay up 10 000 :-) |
| 17:04.14 | warmi | that was a pain in the ass |
| 17:04.18 | Wintre | warmi: Didn't estimate high enough? |
| 17:04.29 | mewyn | eep! |
| 17:04.33 | warmi | not, this year - this year I am on w2 |
| 17:04.34 | mewyn | that's bad |
| 17:04.43 | warmi | back then I was consulting on my own |
| 17:04.48 | mewyn | oh, you didn't have any taxes taken out |
| 17:04.56 | warmi | and yeah... my estimates were wrong :-) |
| 17:05.04 | chouimat | warmi: ouch |
| 17:05.28 | mewyn | yah the IRS is sneaky like that :) |
| 17:05.53 | warmi | no, if you are doing 1094 or 99 I don't remember - you have to "estimate" and pay up front your taxes quoterly .. |
| 17:05.55 | mewyn | treke: i doubt that |
| 17:05.56 | warmi | basically pain in the ass |
| 17:06.16 | chouimat | warmi: yup that sucks |
| 17:07.12 | warmi | I am in the worst position possible as far as taxation is concerned |
| 17:07.14 | treke | mewyn: I think there would be a lot more opposition to taxes if people actually had to write a check for the money the government s taking from them instead of never actually getting the money |
| 17:07.51 | mewyn | treke: a bad thing about having witholdings illegal, a lot of people wouldn't have health insurance |
| 17:07.55 | Razzle | having your Z to go online while lying sick in bed is a good compensation for having to be in bed |
| 17:08.04 | warmi | I don't have enough money to be able to "escape" taxes .. but I earn enough to be considered filthy rich by Democrat style politicians and therefore taxed like hell |
| 17:08.22 | mewyn | heh |
| 17:08.28 | warmi | treke: yeah, very much so |
| 17:08.47 | mewyn | yah, i don't agree with a lot of taxes and our structure |
| 17:09.01 | warmi | you know that almost 50% of US population doesn't pay any taxes at all |
| 17:09.08 | warmi | so someone else has to pay up for that |
| 17:09.13 | warmi | and it is not corporations :-) |
| 17:09.33 | mewyn | if i knew who they are, i'd kick their asses |
| 17:09.37 | Wintre | warmi: Huh? 50% doesn't pay!? |
| 17:09.42 | Wintre | Which 50%? |
| 17:09.42 | mewyn | granted they are making income |
| 17:10.20 | warmi | Wintre: lower of course |
| 17:10.41 | Wintre | I have to say I'm quite skeptical of that statement |
| 17:11.03 | warmi | let me find you something on the net about that .. |
| 17:11.04 | Wintre | Though I have no other stats to c ounter it |
| 17:11.11 | warmi | btw .. they do pay up front |
| 17:11.12 | treke | I don't know if its 50% but there is a lower limit to what is taxed |
| 17:11.19 | Wintre | And of course you're right in that the corporations aren't paying |
| 17:11.23 | warmi | it is just after they get back their return they come out even |
| 17:11.53 | warmi | Wintre: they shouldn't - every cent that goes thru corporation is already taxed - either as a salary for employes or as stock or whatever ... |
| 17:11.53 | treke | the corporation do pay, they just have to money to ensure they dont get screwed as much as everyone else |
| 17:12.08 | Wintre | warmi: Wrong, of course. |
| 17:12.26 | warmi | Wintre: : http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/04/04/taxes.who.pays/ |
| 17:12.53 | warmi | they claim one third doesn't pay at all .. |
| 17:13.08 | warmi | but in reality it is almost a half that pays nothing or next to nothing .. |
| 17:13.40 | mewyn | right now i get most of everything back :) |
| 17:14.05 | mewyn | i make little income, and i go to school |
| 17:14.41 | warmi | Wintre: not that hard - when I came to this country my and my wife + my kid were living for about 2 years on around $18 000 |
| 17:14.56 | Wintre | warmi: When was that? |
| 17:14.58 | warmi | but it was back in 1994 or so |
| 17:14.59 | chouimat | ~ibot change 23000 usd to cad |
| 17:15.14 | Wintre | You'd have to be living pretty thin I'd thing |
| 17:15.38 | mewyn | depends on how you live, adn where you live |
| 17:15.43 | warmi | Wintre: sure - but I wasn't hungry which is more than you can say about 50% of world population :-) |
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| 17:16.06 | Wintre | warmi: If your only criterion is "better than 50% of the world population" you don't need much to do better ;) |
| 17:16.29 | warmi | Wintre: the bottom line is that when you heard democrats whining about rich getting all the spoils of any sort of tax cut - all you have to do is look at irs stats |
| 17:16.38 | warmi | and it becomes clear why it seems that way |
| 17:17.06 | warmi | Wintre: true , but my point was that so called "poor" in this country aren't all that poor |
| 17:17.30 | warmi | I mean, sure - I couldn't afford anything beyond Ford festiva ( a 7000 car ) |
| 17:17.31 | warmi | etc .. |
| 17:17.41 | Wintre | warmi: I'm somewhat skeptical of the reporting; it's entirely possible it's skewed by today's political climate. |
| 17:17.42 | treke | but you could afford a car at all |
| 17:17.51 | Wintre | And it'd be very interesting to find out what tax burden the top 1% bears |
| 17:18.43 | warmi | Wintre: well, these are stats from Congressional Budget Office .. |
| 17:18.52 | warmi | anyway, I can tell you I am paying a lot of money - a lot |
| 17:18.52 | Wintre | Yeah. |
| 17:19.04 | warmi | so I don't know abouttop 1% |
| 17:19.09 | Wintre | Don't think it's not politically influenced ;) |
| 17:19.40 | treke | http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/content/0,,id=97507,00.html |
| 17:19.54 | treke | probably in there somewhere |
| 17:19.58 | warmi | Wintre: the point is that they take that data from IRS - I mean if you don't trust them then there is no point discussion - you can always try to rebuke any sort of argument with " I don't believe them" |
| 17:20.51 | warmi | Wintre: but I agree with you that being filthy rich ( in a real sense) gives you much bigger chance of avoiding paying your taxes |
| 17:20.55 | Wintre | warmi: I'm simply suggesting that one remains skeptical of the data and aware of its source |
| 17:21.12 | Wintre | But I'm not saying "Oh, the IRS is clearly lying" |
| 17:22.45 | warmi | actually my taxes aren't all that bad - my buddy here at work is single ( and earing similar amount as I do ) - he pays about 5% more than I do |
| 17:22.58 | warmi | and he is not happy about that :-) believe me |
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| 17:24.03 | treke | The problem is the IRS gets at least some bad information |
| 17:24.43 | warmi | what do you mean ? |
| 17:24.57 | treke | warmi: People lying about income :) |
| 17:25.06 | warmi | of course, tthat is correct but .. |
| 17:25.24 | warmi | they can acurately report who pays what - at least as far as money they do get is concerned |
| 17:25.28 | treke | yuo |
| 17:26.29 | warmi | all I am saying is that there are demagogues on both sides of the issue - and when you hear Democrats screaming about social injustice and such , it is good to keep things in perspective |
| 17:26.48 | Wintre | C'mon, there's no question that there's social injustice |
| 17:28.01 | Wintre | Of course the polarized viewpoint - that there are the filthy rich, and that the rest of the US is living on its scraps - is also uselessly simplistic |
| 17:29.22 | Wintre | (mm, #politics) |
| 17:30.22 | treke | ~lart california |
| 17:32.35 | warmi | hehehe |
| 17:34.05 | warmi | social injustice can, to some extend, be explained by the fact that people are not equal as far as their capability to provide for themselves is considered |
| 17:34.14 | Wintre | Yeah, sure |
| 17:34.21 | warmi | the real question is how far we wanna go in trying to address that issue |
| 17:34.43 | Wintre | And also by the fact that getting a good job requires a bit investment in time and money (by getting at least a decent college education) |
| 17:34.47 | Wintre | s/bit/big/ |
| 17:34.53 | treke | personally, as long as they get some food and shelter, the rest is up to them |
| 17:35.32 | warmi | true but there are many ways to acomplish that - US system is very flexible ( and I am not talking about ivy league - your basic community college will give you enough education to earn a living) |
| 17:35.39 | Wintre | If you're a single mom with two kids and only a high school degree, it's hard to imagine how you're going to find time to get a degree which allows you to make more than $8/hour |
| 17:35.51 | treke | it can be done |
| 17:36.01 | Wintre | We can go to the moon, too |
| 17:36.08 | Wintre | :) |
| 17:36.27 | Wintre | Ultimately people have to take responsibility for themselves |
| 17:36.31 | warmi | well, but you are facing the age old problem that if you start supporting that woman you are running risk that she will get overly comfortable with that support and will stop doing anything |
| 17:36.56 | Wintre | But I'd say it's pretty clear that if you don't start out in the middle classes, then you're going to have one hell of a hard time moving upwards |
| 17:37.04 | warmi | anyway, as always - the trick is to find a proper balance |
| 17:37.31 | mewyn | anyone know anything about unison? |
| 17:37.35 | Wintre | warmi: It's possible, but I'd say most people in the US at least have enough work ethic that they don't want to live on government handouts |
| 17:37.36 | treke | mewyn: a bit |
| 17:38.28 | warmi | Wintre: true , but then there is nothig wrong with setting some limits ( goals if you will) to encourage these people to move upward ... |
| 17:38.46 | warmi | and that was precisely what Clintion and republicans did in 1996 when they passed welfare reform bill |
| 17:38.53 | Wintre | Heh |
| 17:38.59 | Wintre | You should see Bowling for Columbine actually |
| 17:39.06 | mewyn | treke: can you give me a rundown on how to set it up? i'm looking to sync a select set of directories in my $HOME between my desktop and notebook |
| 17:39.22 | warmi | I will |
| 17:39.29 | Wintre | It explores, briefly, the results of that welfare reform |
| 17:39.55 | warmi | but I will keep in mind , that it was created by a far left liberal so it is anything but objective look at how things are in US |
| 17:40.47 | Wintre | warmi: Sure, Moore's about as liberal as you get in the US. OTOH what he's documenting is fact. |
| 17:41.17 | treke | mewyn: try unison-gtk is makes it really easy |
| 17:41.26 | mewyn | k |
| 17:41.39 | mewyn | does that come with the unison sources |
| 17:41.42 | treke | I do my syncing over ssh |
| 17:41.59 | treke | doubtful |
| 17:42.29 | treke | oh I guess it is |
| 17:42.36 | mewyn | unison syncing? |
| 17:42.41 | treke | mewyn: what distribution are you useing? |
| 17:42.43 | treke | mewyn: yes |
| 17:43.01 | mewyn | redhat on server and laptop, gentoo on desktop |
| 17:43.15 | treke | try and find binaries for unison |
| 17:43.21 | treke | compiling it would be a pain |
| 17:43.36 | mewyn | hrm |
| 17:43.37 | treke | http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/download.html |
| 17:44.27 | treke | the problem with unison is that it it's written in OCaml :) |
| 17:44.36 | warmi | wtf ? |
| 17:44.40 | warmi | oCaml ? |
| 17:44.43 | treke | warmi: yes |
| 17:45.03 | mewyn | oCaml? |
| 17:45.10 | mewyn | wtf is that? |
| 17:45.27 | mewyn | it's compiled, not interpreted, right? |
| 17:45.32 | treke | yes its compiled |
| 17:45.56 | warmi | "Caml is a strongly-typed functional programming language from the ML family." |
| 17:46.05 | warmi | ok . .. now - what is ML family ? |
| 17:46.07 | warmi | :) |
| 17:46.49 | warmi | "It is developed and distributed by INRIA (the main French research institute for computer science), since 1984." |
| 17:46.54 | warmi | ok ... |
| 17:46.59 | mewyn | now, is unison "client server" or "peer to peer" |
| 17:47.03 | warmi | I will stick with C++ |
| 17:47.04 | warmi | heh |
| 17:47.29 | mewyn | warmi: yah, no kidding |
| 17:47.34 | treke | warmi: its a functional language I think |
| 17:47.41 | mewyn | then C |
| 17:47.48 | warmi | treke: could very well be .. I was just kidding |
| 17:48.30 | treke | peer to peer probably describes it best |
| 17:48.53 | mewyn | hrm |
| 17:49.27 | mewyn | do either 'daemonize'? |
| 17:50.06 | treke | might be able to do it. |
| 17:50.20 | mewyn | i'd like to run the gtk version on my laptop, that's where i'd initialize syncing, but should i put the text version on there? |
| 17:50.32 | treke | you probably need both |
| 17:51.31 | mewyn | well it's looking for the command unison on my server and from here http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/download/stable/latest/ none are just named unison, which is what has me a little confused |
| 17:51.47 | mewyn | i think it's just looking for one to start to relay info to... |
| 17:52.01 | treke | mameyou install it on both machines |
| 17:52.03 | treke | mewyn: |
| 17:52.13 | treke | then the two talk to each other |
| 17:52.27 | mewyn | what did you install when you did it? |
| 17:55.51 | treke | mewyn: I installed unison and unison-gtk on my workstation |
| 17:56.00 | mewyn | k |
| 17:56.07 | mewyn | hrmm |
| 17:56.08 | treke | mewyn: and then I put the unison package on my pda ( I dont think it has unison-gtk ) |
| 17:56.18 | mewyn | and you start from the pc? |
| 17:56.27 | treke | Yeah I always start from the pc |
| 17:56.34 | mewyn | k |
| 17:56.46 | mewyn | i think that settles my questions |
| 17:56.51 | treke | you could initiate it from either side, I think |
| 17:56.54 | mewyn | yah |
| 17:57.06 | treke | but there's not unison-qtopia :) |
| 17:57.22 | mewyn | i'll also look around to see if i can do it by cron later |
| 17:57.29 | treke | I sync between three machines with it and it usually does the right thing, although sometimes it's unexpected |
| 17:57.58 | treke | I'd recommend doing it by hand |
| 17:58.01 | mewyn | ack! i can't remember. do you put the public key into authorized_keys on the server? |
| 17:58.06 | mewyn | for ssh |
| 17:58.07 | treke | yes |
| 17:58.20 | mewyn | k |
| 17:58.25 | mewyn | brain fart there :) |
| 17:59.02 | treke | the interface doesnt take much input, it just shows you what it's going to syncronize/delete and lets you override if you'd like |
| 17:59.48 | treke | but it can save your butt if you delete something from one machine accidently and dont want it automatically wiped from your other machine |
| 18:00.17 | treke | .0 |
| 18:00.29 | mewyn | yah. |
| 18:00.39 | mewyn | but for that, i do keep backups |
| 18:00.52 | mewyn | and most of my stuff is rarely deleted |
| 18:00.53 | treke | i did that once, expecting the file that was removed to be recreated |
| 18:03.44 | mewyn | hrmm.. |
| 18:03.48 | mewyn | my key isn't working |
| 18:06.17 | mewyn | wtf |
| 18:17.11 | mewyn | DOH! |
| 18:17.14 | mewyn | fuckin doh |
| 18:18.55 | noidd | erm... |
| 18:19.05 | noidd | Does anyone know that killefiz has disapeared ? |
| 18:19.15 | mewyn | yup. haven't seen him in a while |
| 18:19.24 | noidd | I mean the website |
| 18:19.27 | noidd | :-P |
| 18:20.59 | mewyn | oh, nope |
| 18:22.02 | noidd | panic over -- found a mirror :-) |
| 18:22.24 | noidd | ibot, killefiz mirror is http://zsi2.stonekeep.com/ |
| 18:22.25 | | noidd: okay |
| 18:41.27 | Wintre | Ack |
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| 18:43.38 | ShiShi | there is frozen bubble on Z ? |
| 18:44.09 | warmi | there are games like Frozen Bubble .. |
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| 18:47.29 | ShiShi | like what warmi ? |
| 18:48.37 | warmi | http://www.heni-online.de/gamesreview/reviews/froot.html |
| 18:49.47 | bonerz | has anyone bought their zaurus through the phone number in the topic? |
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| 18:50.53 | mewyn | brrr |
| 18:51.35 | Neo|Work | frozen bubble is PERL |
| 18:52.23 | Neo|Work | bonerz: I don't know of anyone and I don't know if its still valid. the source of the contact was people at sharp though (Sniper and icefox) |
| 18:53.22 | bonerz | yeah that seems to be a "too good to be true" price |
| 18:53.40 | warmi | not really |
| 18:53.50 | warmi | I think you can find similar prices on ebay |
| 18:53.52 | icefox | it is true |
| 18:53.55 | icefox | probably |
| 18:54.52 | hardwire | if you think Tab completion is a "belch", you might be a cheap soda drinking redneck |
| 18:54.53 | Neo|Work | bonerz: also note it's refurbished, i.e used |
| 18:55.24 | bonerz | used but i would assume fixed up |
| 18:57.06 | bonerz | i am tempted to get one. someone at my LUG has one, and it looks nice. would give me something to do during my class thats in a room with wireless internet |
| 18:57.54 | ShiShi | someone try to play quake ? i heard that is too slow |
| 19:00.29 | warmi | yeah, 5-6 fps |
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| 19:03.06 | ShiShi | warmi , you have an url ton dl it? |
| 19:03.30 | warmi | no, I don't |
| 19:05.49 | Neo|Work | plus, even if it ran decently, even a game like doom is IMHO unplayable |
| 19:05.58 | Neo|Work | they are not designed for a PDA and as such require more keys etc |
| 19:06.11 | Neo|Work | the C700 might be the only zaurus on which you can play it decently |
| 19:06.19 | Neo|Work | but frankly, why the fsck bother? :P |
| 19:06.41 | Neo|Work | <plug>instead, Eon Games can offer you fun, made-for-handhelds, games! ;-)</plug> |
| 19:07.48 | icefox | hehe FlipIt is fun |
| 19:07.59 | Neo|Work | indeed |
| 19:08.09 | icefox | my animations allways seem to end with something/someone gettings squished. :-D |
| 19:08.19 | Neo|Work | I'd improve it if I didn't try to get Dragon Bane 2, Snails, HDB and <secret game> out of the door |
| 19:08.29 | Neo|Work | squished indeed |
| 19:08.39 | Neo|Work | my anim squishes a guy and a bird |
| 19:32.20 | kergoth`zzz | hardwire: opie's backgrounds are broken with regard to transparency, right? I seem to remember you bitching when your spiffy bgs didnt work correctly anymore |
| 19:34.42 | chouimat|work | kergoth`zzz: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2916669204&category=1467 |
| 19:37.01 | bipolar | kergoth`zzz: ping |
| 19:38.26 | kergoth`zzz | bipolar: pong |
| 19:39.08 | bipolar | kergoth`zzz: Packages built great. |
| 19:39.19 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 19:39.29 | bipolar | kergoth`zzz: I was wondering if there was a default config file for building initrd.bin? |
| 19:39.33 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:39.38 | kergoth | for what? |
| 19:40.06 | kergoth | ah let me guess |
| 19:40.13 | bipolar | kergoth: for building an initrd file with updated packages. My Z is stuck in jffs2 garbage collection hell. |
| 19:40.13 | kergoth | you didnt leave eraseblock set to 0? |
| 19:40.26 | bipolar | kergoth: I did not build one yet. |
| 19:40.57 | kergoth | okay, 1) eraseblock and pad sizes left to 0 will overridden with teh correct defaults for your selected target device |
| 19:41.14 | kergoth | 2) def-configs/collie-opie is a collie build config, def-configs/collie-image is a collie image config |
| 19:41.27 | kergoth | cp def-configs/collie-image output/.config; make image_oldconfig; image |
| 19:41.45 | kergoth | s/will overridden/will be overridden/ |
| 19:41.53 | bipolar | ipkg just segfaulted with a full file system. I think that means I'm screwed. :) |
| 19:42.02 | kergoth | fun |
| 19:42.08 | bipolar | Reflashing is fun though.... :) |
| 19:43.21 | hardwire | rawr? |
| 19:44.38 | bipolar | mkfs.jffs2: skipping device_table entry '/dev/initctl': no parent directory! <<-- That does not look normal. |
| 19:44.53 | bipolar | theres a bunch of them. Missing directory? |
| 19:45.25 | kergoth | bipolar: you didnt select oz-base in the image. |
| 19:45.38 | kergoth | bipolar: oz-base includes the /dev dir |
| 19:45.52 | kergoth | hardwire: opie background alpha transparency is broken atm, right? |
| 19:46.08 | bipolar | kergoth: I thought that the config I copied would have taken care of that. Is there anything else I need to select? |
| 19:46.27 | kergoth | make image_menuconfig |
| 19:46.31 | kergoth | was oz-base selected? |
| 19:46.52 | bipolar | kergoth: I cant get into "Packages --->" |
| 19:46.54 | bipolar | I think it' |
| 19:46.58 | kergoth | eh |
| 19:47.01 | kergoth | your buildroot is old. |
| 19:47.08 | bipolar | I think it's busted |
| 19:47.16 | kergoth | bk pull; bk -r co -q; rm output/pkgs.*; make image_menuconfig |
| 19:47.19 | bipolar | I was able to get into it this morning. |
| 19:48.24 | bipolar | kergoth`zzz: pingPull http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot -> file://mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-oz |
| 19:48.24 | bipolar | Nothing to pull. |
| 19:52.03 | kergoth | bipolar: and i care why? run those commands. |
| 19:53.38 | bipolar | kergoth: I did. Sorry, It's still not letting me get into the 'packages' menu. I even removed the config file and started over. |
| 19:54.21 | bipolar | I've got to learn the ins&outs of this thing so I can be more selfsufficient |
| 19:56.12 | mewyn | blah |
| 19:56.29 | mewyn | time to reorganize my ~/documents |
| 19:57.26 | hardwire | kergoth: some bastard broke it :( |
| 19:57.29 | hardwire | yeh |
| 19:57.30 | hardwire | :) |
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| 20:01.57 | _FanDeZik | Le zaurus est TOP! |
| 20:02.10 | _FanDeZik | J'economise and I buy IT !!!! |
| 20:02.18 | mewyn | um... ok |
| 20:02.56 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:03.57 | warmi | while we on the subject .... "viv la liberte " |
| 20:04.00 | warmi | was that correct ? |
| 20:04.48 | _FanDeZik | ZAURUS! |
| 20:05.01 | warmi | yeah, Zaurus |
| 20:05.08 | warmi | where is chouimat when you need him ... |
| 20:05.09 | warmi | heh |
| 20:07.05 | kergoth | bipolar: cd output; make pkgs.in; cat pkgs.in |
| 20:07.24 | Neo|Work | or megastep, who sits here now and then |
| 20:07.49 | kergoth | hardwire: alright, thought so. need to get that fixed. |
| 20:08.08 | kergoth | hardwire: we were trying to get a spiffy bg w/ transparency for OE/OZ last night, wondering why it wasnt working |
| 20:09.06 | hardwire | :( |
| 20:12.58 | chouimat|work | ARRRGGGG! the floppy head came with a floppydisk!!!!!! |
| 20:13.18 | mewyn | lol |
| 20:14.07 | chouimat|work | mewyn: now must find a new floppy drive for that laptop ... |
| 20:14.53 | mewyn | you don't need floppy drives |
| 20:15.13 | chouimat|work | mewyn: and I need to change the cdrom too |
| 20:15.36 | mewyn | that's no good |
| 20:15.44 | mewyn | warranty? |
| 20:15.57 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:16.05 | warmi | no biggie .... floppy drives are cheap as dirts these days |
| 20:16.12 | kergoth | NULL undeclared? which header defines it? |
| 20:16.16 | mewyn | not for laptops |
| 20:16.21 | mewyn | NULL undeclared? |
| 20:16.25 | mewyn | is that even possible? |
| 20:16.29 | chouimat|work | mewyn: don't think so old thinkpad 760ed |
| 20:16.33 | mewyn | nope |
| 20:16.44 | warmi | mewyn: NULL has no meaning in C |
| 20:16.58 | kergoth | eh? |
| 20:16.59 | mewyn | i thought NULL was a C keyword |
| 20:17.11 | warmi | c++ |
| 20:17.23 | kergoth | NULL does too have meaning. it isnt even _technically_ guaranteed to be zero, iirc. |
| 20:17.30 | mewyn | kergoth: perhaps 'grep -r "#define NULL" /usr/include' |
| 20:17.32 | kergoth | i'm dealing in C here, not c++ |
| 20:18.12 | warmi | well, null does have a meaning but what I was trying to say was that the word itself has no meaning in C++ |
| 20:18.17 | warmi | in C that is |
| 20:19.00 | kergoth | I dont understand what you're attempting to say. |
| 20:19.10 | chouimat|work | hmmm 45USD |
| 20:19.13 | kergoth | if you mean its not a c keyword, just say so |
| 20:19.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:19.18 | warmi | heheh |
| 20:19.49 | icefox | hey where did zsi go? |
| 20:19.51 | icefox | ibot zsi |
| 20:20.09 | warmi | mewyn: : NULL is a keyword in C++ and in Java but not C |
| 20:21.52 | warmi | icefox: zsi been down since this morning |
| 20:21.58 | kergoth | warmi: NULL is a keyword in C++? I thought I remember reading that you arent supposed to use NULL in C++ for pointers at all, but are to use '0' directly. |
| 20:22.00 | mewyn | kergoth: #define NULL is in expect.h and linux/stddef.h |
| 20:22.34 | kergoth | mewyn: yeah i know. but you shouldnt include linux/* for portability. i just included stdlib.h, which i know gets it eventually |
| 20:22.47 | mewyn | expect.h? |
| 20:23.04 | kergoth | whatever expect.h is, its not what i'm looking for :) |
| 20:23.14 | mewyn | well, it's got it |
| 20:23.22 | warmi | uh , actually it is not a keyword in C++ - you are right |
| 20:23.23 | mewyn | or do #define NULL 0 |
| 20:23.33 | warmi | but hell it is all over the place it surely seems like |
| 20:23.34 | mewyn | well, do an #ifndef NULL first |
| 20:25.05 | warmi | actually NULL appears to be a "reserved macro name" .. |
| 20:25.14 | warmi | at least that's what most compiler vendors claim |
| 20:25.19 | warmi | I am not sure about C++ standard |
| 20:26.03 | _FanDeZik | c++ : a langage more expensive than c (C++expensive than c!!!) |
| 20:26.48 | kergoth | what? |
| 20:26.52 | _FanDeZik | #warning THE c is a OLD! very old expensive langage, stay more HASKELL! OCAML !!!! |
| 20:27.04 | _FanDeZik | Or other ! |
| 20:27.10 | _FanDeZik | Tcl/TK ! |
| 20:27.15 | _FanDeZik | Pascal ! |
| 20:27.21 | _FanDeZik | Or other ! |
| 20:27.26 | warmi | oCaml - that's what treke was talking about today |
| 20:27.31 | _FanDeZik | Revolte you : stop C !!!! |
| 20:27.40 | _FanDeZik | stop() |
| 20:27.46 | _FanDeZik | }; |
| 20:28.03 | kergoth | _FanDeZik: you!!!!! shut!!!! up!!! you!!! stop!!! using!!! so!!! many!!! exclamation!!! points!!! |
| 20:28.16 | _FanDeZik | What ? |
| 20:28.27 | kergoth | stop using so fucking many !'s |
| 20:28.33 | kergoth | use one, if any. |
| 20:28.34 | _FanDeZik | Ah |
| 20:28.42 | _FanDeZik | You code in C ? |
| 20:28.54 | kergoth | among other languages, yes |
| 20:29.01 | _FanDeZik | Oh yes |
| 20:29.29 | warmi | everyone who is anyone codes in C :-) |
| 20:29.30 | warmi | or C++ |
| 20:29.45 | warmi | or ... and that's only because Twiun is around , Java |
| 20:29.47 | warmi | heeh |
| 20:29.59 | _FanDeZik | Excuse : I mistake! |
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| 20:30.49 | chouimat|work | wtf?????????? |
| 20:33.12 | *** part/#zaurus ShiShi (shishi@APuteaux-105-1-4-226.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:33.23 | bipolar | I got baned from #kde once becouse someone did not like the name "bipolar". He said he took offense at the name and wanted me to change it. When I politely told him to pound on sand until it turned into glass I got banned. :) |
| 20:34.14 | chouimat|work | bipolar: who banned you? |
| 20:35.23 | bipolar | chouimat|work: It was a long time ago... I blew him off as a random asshole. I don't rember who it was. |
| 20:35.40 | bipolar | I'm not baned any more. |
| 20:35.52 | icefox | haha in the microsoft book I am reading when talking about prototypes it says even if you are prototyping for a IBM mainframe you can still use VB with black backgrounds and green text. hahaha |
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| 20:38.41 | bipolar | lol |
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| 20:39.10 | bipolar | I just realized that the whole banned from #kde thing was happening in another channel.... lol |
| 20:39.19 | bipolar | I don't know why I responded to this one... |
| 20:39.42 | bipolar | I'm losing it.... |
| 20:39.50 | kergoth | you had it? |
| 20:39.52 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:40.24 | bipolar | I swear... this is not a good day for my brain. I was at a deposition today and when they asked me to raise my right hand, I rasied my left.... |
| 20:40.31 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:40.40 | bipolar | maybe I just need a vacation. |
| 20:40.41 | mewyn | one of these days, this is gonna bite me in the ass |
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| 20:43.59 | dmalloc | woohoo ssh -2 -l root zaurus works ;) |
| 20:46.10 | bipolar | akk! ipkg overwrote it's own config file! |
| 20:46.56 | kergoth | bipolar: er, its a conffile, it shouldve prompted. |
| 20:47.03 | kergoth | even with -force-overwrite. |
| 20:47.23 | kergoth | it should be a conffile anyway :) |
| 20:47.24 | bipolar | kergoth: it did not overwrite it like I thought. It delete it! |
| 20:47.31 | kergoth | eh? |
| 20:47.40 | bipolar | :wq |
| 20:47.44 | bipolar | the file is gone. |
| 20:47.53 | kergoth | okay, and the file is gone after you did what? |
| 20:48.10 | bipolar | ipkg upgrade |
| 20:48.25 | kergoth | ipkg upgrade is guaranteed to fail without user interaction. |
| 20:48.39 | kergoth | what did you do to make it upgrade? |
| 20:48.44 | bipolar | kergoth: everything. |
| 20:48.57 | kergoth | bipolar: that tells me nothing. |
| 20:49.55 | dmalloc | I love it when my cable isp screws up their config and I can download with 300Kb all of a sudden |
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| 20:50.08 | JasonNJ | sup dudes. |
| 20:50.10 | bipolar | phone... brb |
| 20:50.46 | dmalloc | kergoth: all files are mirrored now (meaning the kernels and initrds) |
| 20:50.56 | oGMo | oops, looks like killefiz.de got wiped |
| 20:51.50 | dmalloc | now why does kampd-idled take 84% cpu and put the load av at 4 on the zaurus ? ;) |
| 20:52.03 | kergoth | dmalloc: thats expected. the load average isnt due to the idled |
| 20:52.34 | dmalloc | kergoth: ah ;) now I have to get a newer kernel and install cross compiling and then I can be on my way to develop. |
| 20:52.43 | dmalloc | (new kernel for the zaurus that is) |
| 20:52.59 | dmalloc | oh and thanks for the patches, they worked on the stable machine |
| 20:53.10 | kergoth | 2.4.19 for the Z works just fine |
| 20:53.18 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:53.23 | dmalloc | is there an ipkg or do I need to compile that ? |
| 20:54.00 | sukoshi | kergoth, dmalloc: hello buddies |
| 20:54.13 | dmalloc | hello sukoshi, still happy in france ;) |
| 20:54.23 | sukoshi | yup :) |
| 20:55.04 | sukoshi | kergoth: sorry about _fandezik, excuse !!!! him!!!!!!! i think!!!! he !!! was a french dumbass!!!! |
| 20:55.10 | sukoshi | :p |
| 20:55.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:55.29 | sukoshi | we've got some also, as everywhere |
| 20:55.44 | sukoshi | it was funny to read him about ocaml |
| 20:55.59 | sukoshi | the french coding scene has fever about ocaml |
| 20:56.16 | sukoshi | maybe because it was designed by frenchies |
| 20:56.21 | dmalloc | and that is about it ;) |
| 20:56.30 | sukoshi | so do i! |
| 20:57.06 | sukoshi | god, that's fucking great, i'm in my bed, with my laptop on me :) i love being lazy |
| 20:57.24 | dmalloc | I speak many languages but french is not one of them and it annoys me to hell that most french will refuse to speak anything but french even if they are perfectly capable of. |
| 20:57.51 | chouimat|work | de kosse? |
| 20:58.02 | sukoshi | french are lazy i think |
| 20:58.21 | dmalloc | makes bussiness talsk very tedious |
| 20:58.26 | warmi | sukoshi: it is not that |
| 20:58.41 | warmi | I think they are rather too proud .. |
| 20:58.51 | sukoshi | that is possible |
| 20:59.05 | dmalloc | hihihihihi wget on a handheld /me loves this shiat |
| 20:59.27 | dmalloc | and rsync hehe |
| 20:59.32 | dmalloc | ok ignore me.. I am just swooning |
| 20:59.57 | dmalloc | say, have I understood this correctly. The data for the kalendar and todo are simple xml files? |
| 21:03.04 | sukoshi | kergoth: do you know a good way to backup your C700 (sharp rom) |
| 21:03.21 | sukoshi | with linux. |
| 21:03.37 | kergoth | tar |
| 21:03.39 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:03.54 | dmalloc | cpio |
| 21:03.55 | sukoshi | ok, but, which folders? |
| 21:04.10 | dmalloc | now all I have to find out, is how do I switch keyboard drivers to german... |
| 21:04.14 | sukoshi | did you get ftp working on you C700? |
| 21:04.22 | kergoth | I dont use ftp, i use ssh |
| 21:04.33 | dmalloc | sftp bbbbabbbyy |
| 21:04.37 | sukoshi | even for file transfer? |
| 21:04.41 | raceme | sukoshi: use rsync |
| 21:04.55 | raceme | sukoshi: rsync -e ssh blablabla |
| 21:04.59 | sukoshi | raceme: i thought about this |
| 21:04.59 | dmalloc | sukoshi: scp or sftp are your friends ;) and for file syncing, rsanc |
| 21:05.03 | dmalloc | rsync |
| 21:05.16 | oGMo | ftp is a pain... so much typing ;) |
| 21:05.16 | sukoshi | so i need a rsync server then |
| 21:05.20 | kergoth | sukoshi: scp -r, rsync, unison, .. |
| 21:05.44 | dmalloc | rsync has been written as an undergraduate project how to keep two files in sync remotely with the minium of data transferred |
| 21:05.52 | dmalloc | very effective |
| 21:05.57 | oGMo | scp r<tab>m<tab>f<tab> |
| 21:06.17 | oGMo | er scp f<tab> r<tab>m<tab> gets me scp file root@mog: |
| 21:06.38 | oGMo | yeah rsync rocks too |
| 21:07.10 | warmi | sukoshi: just use samba .. |
| 21:07.19 | warmi | and then simple "cp" will do the trick |
| 21:07.39 | sukoshi | but i will have to change my smb.conf |
| 21:07.51 | sukoshi | but in fact, why not? |
| 21:07.52 | dmalloc | sukoshi: is your zaurus coinnect to a windows pc ? |
| 21:08.01 | dmalloc | connected |
| 21:08.09 | raceme | dmalloc and warmi : about french not speaking anything than french it is not because we are proud, it is because french really sucks with foreign languages |
| 21:08.45 | sukoshi | since yesterday, i don't have windows on any of my two machines (thanks to raceme for his ide cable borrow) |
| 21:09.02 | warmi | racemi: and why would that be ? I mean most (younger) Europeans can speak pretty good English ... so I doubt that French are somehow handicapped in this regard |
| 21:09.33 | sukoshi | they do are handicaped by a dumb builder society |
| 21:09.48 | warmi | sukoshi: that's not good .... not good at all , it is always a good idea to keep a working Windows box around :-) |
| 21:09.59 | raceme | warmi: yes young ones. but not middle aged one :) |
| 21:10.25 | treke | kinda like the us |
| 21:10.38 | oGMo | warmi: i haven't had a working windows pc around since win3.1 |
| 21:10.42 | warmi | uh .. come on , I am taking about people <45 heheh |
| 21:10.52 | raceme | warmi: i'm french too so i can assure you that french people really sucks with languages |
| 21:10.59 | chouimat|work | sukoshi: dumb builder society? |
| 21:11.44 | chouimat|work | raceme: and they are paranoid about the French language here |
| 21:11.52 | warmi | raceme: I am not saying that they don't suck ... I was just saying that there must be a reason for that ... |
| 21:11.54 | raceme | i learnt english in class during 10 years without speaking any word... so you can imagine my deception when coming in england and nobody would undestand me :) |
| 21:12.13 | dmalloc | raceme: yes, but a 55 year oldmanager that earn a lot of cash and I personally know speaks english and spanish perfectly, refusing to discuss a 55K deal with me in english is rather annoying ;) |
| 21:12.14 | chouimat|work | raceme: or without learning any grammar rules |
| 21:12.20 | warmi | I can understand US - they literally don't need to learn anything else since everybody speaks English anyway |
| 21:12.21 | warmi | :-) |
| 21:12.29 | treke | spanish |
| 21:12.40 | raceme | dmalloc: he's a bad guy :) |
| 21:12.47 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:12.50 | treke | maybe not the norterners though |
| 21:13.42 | raceme | chouimat|work: in fact usually we learn only grammar rules but we have niether accent training nor vocabulary |
| 21:13.44 | dmalloc | hehehe I shoudl runs an rsync server on the zaurus |
| 21:13.57 | chouimat|work | raceme: the opposite here |
| 21:14.15 | chouimat|work | raceme: only vocabulary |
| 21:14.17 | warmi | raceme: come on - it is a common knowledge that French ( at least French politicians) are _actively_ involved in creating various regulations and laws trying to "protect" French langauge from the Anglo/Saxon invasion |
| 21:14.38 | chouimat|work | warmi: that true just look at Quebec |
| 21:14.38 | raceme | but you know the same applies to english who refuse to learn and speak anything than english and find totally normal that everybody in the whole world should speak english and understand them :) |
| 21:15.10 | raceme | warmi: Quebec is far more active than France about protecting the language in fact |
| 21:15.19 | warmi | raceme: sure, but they have a practical reason for doing that - the reason being that , as you mentioned, everybody speaks English anyway :-) |
| 21:15.53 | warmi | anyway.... I am just kidding here .... |
| 21:16.04 | raceme | I think it is normal to protect your language whatever it is. Besides that I find is it normal to learn various foreign languages for worldwide communications. |
| 21:16.12 | chouimat|work | warmi: ya but some young don't want to learn any english at all because " On est au Quebec icitte criss" |
| 21:16.15 | warmi | I don't really have anything against French trying to protect their culture |
| 21:16.18 | warmi | whatever works for them |
| 21:16.53 | sukoshi | hey what a great pleasure, eating some saucisson with a piece of baguette bread, while drinking a coke ;) |
| 21:17.04 | chouimat|work | warmi: in the long run those protections won't work at all |
| 21:17.05 | warmi | raceme: yeah, I know .... I had a chance to learn French when I was in high school but I ended up learning German instead |
| 21:17.13 | warmi | and then English of course |
| 21:17.20 | dmalloc | so is there a 2.4.19 ipkg or do I have to compile `? |
| 21:17.36 | warmi | chouimat|work: yeah, but they are free to try :-) |
| 21:17.45 | dmalloc | and is there a locale howto (I did install the i18n german stuff but how do I switch the keyboard driver" |
| 21:18.25 | raceme | I speak fluent english, well on french criteria ;), and i can hardly speaks spanish and i know few italian words... i think that learning foreign languages is worthwile... |
| 21:18.33 | chouimat|work | warmi: and waste resources that can be used elsewhere |
| 21:18.55 | warmi | chouimat|work: heheh ... |
| 21:19.11 | warmi | raceme: sure it is ... I have nothing against that |
| 21:20.13 | warmi | chouimat|work: you native language is French right ? |
| 21:20.22 | raceme | world would be boring if everyone speak the same language, eat the same food, watch the same movies, listen the same music, etc. |
| 21:20.29 | chouimat|work | warmi: and beside they passed those law because they don't to be assimilated ... if I want to send my child in an english school I can't because neither of my parent studied in english |
| 21:20.33 | warmi | raceme: no doubt |
| 21:20.35 | chouimat|work | warmi: yes |
| 21:20.49 | yeiazel | warmi: chouimat|work's native language is ugly-french-from-quebec |
| 21:20.51 | yeiazel | :) |
| 21:20.54 | sukoshi | does anyone knows how the sync works on C700? |
| 21:20.57 | warmi | hahah |
| 21:21.14 | chouimat|work | yeiazel: hey! it's yours french that is ugly |
| 21:21.18 | warmi | a little French vs French from Canda fight perhaps ? |
| 21:21.20 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:21.38 | raceme | warmi: do you want to count the rounds ? ;) |
| 21:21.43 | chouimat|work | warmi: France French sound gay here |
| 21:21.55 | raceme | chouimat|work: what is "icitte criss" ? |
| 21:22.16 | sukoshi | tabernaque !! |
| 21:22.24 | raceme | sukoshi: :) |
| 21:22.26 | chouimat|work | raceme: icitte == ici, criss == putain, merde etc ... |
| 21:22.28 | yeiazel | sukoshi: 'tabarnac' or 'tabernacle' |
| 21:22.28 | warmi | raceme: speaking of which ... we do have here in Chicago a little french food place called "Cyranos" where we like to go sometimes ... too bad it is expensive like hell |
| 21:22.37 | chouimat|work | sukoshi: no it's TABARNACK |
| 21:22.38 | sukoshi | yeiazel: thx |
| 21:22.55 | sukoshi | chouimat|work: thx, and hostie ? |
| 21:22.56 | Twiun | warmi: I'm AWLWAYS around :) |
| 21:22.57 | yeiazel | chouimat|work: france french respects the tradition and the pronouniciation of the words |
| 21:23.06 | warmi | just don't switch to French cause I wanna be able to follow this discussion :-) |
| 21:23.07 | yeiazel | not like saying "icitte" instead of "ici" |
| 21:23.08 | Twiun | s/AWLWAYS/ALWAYS/ even |
| 21:23.19 | warmi | Twiun: hehehe |
| 21:23.24 | raceme | warmi: usually french stuffs are assimilated to high class stuffs everywhere outside france. I went in a french restaurant in england, I should have avoided it ;) |
| 21:23.32 | chouimat|work | yeiazel: ya! et cédérom? |
| 21:24.11 | yeiazel | chouimat|work: "cédérom" is really not in use in spoken french, nor in "popular" written french |
| 21:24.17 | raceme | chouimat|work: cédérom is a totally dumb invention that i am ashamed of |
| 21:24.21 | warmi | raceme: well, I am not all that crazy ( as some people are ) about french food in general but this place is run by a first generation French ( he still speaks with an accent) and the food there ( some of it ) is really good |
| 21:24.32 | chouimat|work | raceme wait |
| 21:24.47 | warmi | but , generally these days I am crazy about Indian food |
| 21:24.53 | yeiazel | it's some ugly invention from the french fucking academy, these old old old guys that don't know what they are talking about |
| 21:25.17 | sukoshi | warmi: nothing's like a bouillabaisse |
| 21:25.53 | raceme | CDROM means something and cédérom doesn't mean anything apart that it sounds the same. If they want to translate it (which is totally useless) they should have done someting like 'Disque Compact à Lecteur Seule' |
| 21:26.00 | sukoshi | yeiazel: let's wonder of our academician, have a rap freestyle chat ;) |
| 21:26.24 | sukoshi | Yoyo i gonna tell ya, i'm da king of da french chat |
| 21:26.25 | raceme | sukoshi: hopefully we have Pierre Perret at the academy :) |
| 21:26.35 | sukoshi | raceme: non, tu deconnes?? |
| 21:26.51 | raceme | sukoshi: Yes he is a member |
| 21:27.00 | sukoshi | that is a great news |
| 21:27.07 | raceme | sukoshi: the French Academy, not the Star Academy ;) |
| 21:28.04 | chouimat|work | raceme: http://www.olf.gouv.qc.ca/ressources/bibliotheque/dictionnaires/Internet/Index/index.html <--- heure de plaisir :) |
| 21:28.55 | raceme | virtual shopping cart <-> chariot virtuel... mouarf... |
| 21:29.00 | warmi | sukoshi: well, tv , just like everything, is not an inherently bad thing when used in moderation :-) |
| 21:29.37 | sukoshi | warmi: i did my choice indeed. I'll try not to have a tv for the rest of my life |
| 21:29.46 | chouimat|work | http://www.olf.gouv.qc.ca/ressources/bibliotheque/dictionnaires/Internet/fiches/8874751.html |
| 21:30.03 | chouimat|work | raceme: ^-----------------^ |
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| 21:30.26 | chouimat|work | France tv sucks |
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| 21:31.27 | raceme | chouimat|work: they should learn how to make correct web pages instead because accent don't work... |
| 21:31.46 | sukoshi | anyone knows what are 4244 / 4992 open ports on my Z ? |
| 21:31.59 | chouimat|work | raceme: plugin --> plugiciel, spam -->pourriel |
| 21:32.00 | sukoshi | raceme: i watch it too by my parents house |
| 21:32.02 | treke | probably ftp and sync |
| 21:32.33 | Aimio | Disaster! Zaurus software index is offline? |
| 21:33.05 | icefox | http://zsi2.stonekeep.com/ |
| 21:33.20 | sukoshi | treke: ftp doesn't work on those ports |
| 21:33.27 | icefox | 4242 is ftp |
| 21:33.34 | treke | icefox: on the b500? |
| 21:33.37 | icefox | 4243 is dcop I think |
| 21:33.40 | dmalloc | Maybe we should ask for some sponsorship for a better server then ? ;) |
| 21:33.44 | icefox | oh, hmm not sure about the b500 |
| 21:34.10 | sukoshi | B500's open ports : 4992 4244 |
| 21:34.26 | Aimio | icefox: phew, ty |
| 21:35.07 | JasonNJ | they changed the sync ports on the B500/5600? weird |
| 21:35.22 | sukoshi | netstat -a is the good command? |
| 21:35.40 | sukoshi | netstat -an |
| 21:35.42 | icefox | well remember they no longer use the tcp/ip, but the serial |
| 21:35.49 | raceme | sukoshi: yes. you can add -n to wipe dns resolution and -t or -u for tcp/udp |
| 21:35.53 | sukoshi | they do use tcp/ip |
| 21:35.54 | JasonNJ | ok right |
| 21:35.56 | dmalloc | sl5500G has 4992 4242 4243 |
| 21:36.08 | JasonNJ | yeah but TCPIP is still an option remember |
| 21:36.16 | JasonNJ | so it can still talk to linux boxes |
| 21:36.18 | icefox | sukoshi: they use both, but by default ships with serial |
| 21:36.31 | JasonNJ | theres no serial driver for linux workstations |
| 21:36.31 | sukoshi | 4992 / 111 / 4244 / 23 / 67 / 1 |
| 21:36.32 | Aimio | (you can even put Z on seporate server with usb connection and treat as norm computer with NAT/masq) |
| 21:36.35 | Twiun | hey Jason |
| 21:36.46 | JasonNJ | sup twiun |
| 21:36.52 | icefox | JasonNJ: actually I think there is, but will look into it more later |
| 21:37.06 | JasonNJ | icefox: that would be new to me |
| 21:37.33 | sukoshi | JasonNJ: i never used serial connection, but you're right by default he wants to sync through serial |
| 21:37.36 | raceme | Aimio: or use arp to include it in your lan, without nat/maq |
| 21:37.36 | JasonNJ | I remember having this discussion about keeping IP around as a checkbox option...they got rid of that/ |
| 21:37.38 | JasonNJ | ? |
| 21:37.42 | icefox | well before the tcpip stuff became <snicker>stable</snicker> it was all serial based and there was a doc on zaurus.com I remember |
| 21:37.58 | icefox | JasonNJ: it is a combo box now. ip or serial |
| 21:38.19 | raceme | well time to divide my IQ by 10 and kill some people at unreal :) |
| 21:38.28 | sukoshi | raceme: lol |
| 21:38.39 | Aimio | raceme: interesting. commands? |
| 21:38.42 | JasonNJ | twiun: how goes teh java thing? |
| 21:39.04 | raceme | Aimio: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/usb0/proxy_arp |
| 21:39.10 | raceme | echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:39.17 | raceme | route add -host 192.168.0.12 gw 192.168.0.11 usb0 |
| 21:39.20 | raceme | arp -Ds 192.168.0.12 eth0 pub |
| 21:39.33 | raceme | in this example the Z has ip 192.168.0.12 |
| 21:39.47 | raceme | and the host 192.168.0.11 for usb0 and |
| 21:40.01 | raceme | and network is 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 21:40.15 | raceme | ip_forward is useless i think |
| 21:40.25 | dmalloc | naw works too ;) |
| 21:40.32 | raceme | well perhaps not... |
| 21:40.34 | dmalloc | you need to dnat or sant then though |
| 21:40.37 | Aimio | raceme: thx I'll remember if iptables for if i lose iptables etc :) |
| 21:40.40 | kergoth | ip_forward is decidedly _not_ useless. without it, no packets will be forwarded |
| 21:40.54 | sukoshi | raceme: i never tried this before, once you'll have time i'll need you to explain me :) |
| 21:41.08 | raceme | dmalloc: no dnat in this config |
| 21:42.17 | raceme | sukoshi: it's simple: you give your Z an ip of your lan, and you configure your host network to say (hey i have 192.168.0.2 ip plus another ip 192.168.0.12 with another mac address) |
| 21:42.17 | Aimio | I'll keep it for later since arp poisioning stuff |
| 21:48.24 | sheenmaster | what happened to the konq packages!? |
| 21:48.34 | sheenmaster | I go away for a few weeks and they are missing! |
| 21:49.10 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Looking good |
| 21:50.03 | sheenmaster | why isn't konqueror in unstable? |
| 21:50.14 | Twiun | JasonNJ: got the possibility of a contract coming up, part of which would mean speeding up qtawt development |
| 21:50.33 | Twiun | JasonNJ: oh and the firm is considering 5500's + OZ |
| 21:50.50 | dmalloc | 802.1d ethernet bridging is way better for this anyways, raceme |
| 21:51.35 | kergoth | sheenmaster: because I didnt build it. :) pull it from testing for now |
| 21:52.00 | sheenmaster | kergoth: cannot satisfy libopie11 |
| 21:52.07 | sukoshi | raceme: that's what i am doing usually but i never used ip forwarding yet |
| 21:52.21 | sheenmaster | kergoth: guess I shouldn't have updated opie |
| 21:52.42 | kergoth | sheenmaster: huh? |
| 21:52.51 | kergoth | sheenmaster: just -force-depends |
| 21:53.37 | sheenmaster | the package manager frontend could use an option for that |
| 21:53.53 | sukoshi | kergoth: do you think -s -O3 -mcpu=xscale should work for kernel compilation? |
| 21:53.56 | sheenmaster | Twiun: will wonka support swing when ported? |
| 21:54.08 | sheenmaster | Twiun: I couldn't get scrolling in the applet with AWT. |
| 21:54.15 | kergoth | sukoshi: DONT override options in a kernel compile |
| 21:54.30 | sukoshi | reason? |
| 21:54.32 | kergoth | sukoshi: the options are set in the kernel makefiles themselves. DO NOT FUCK WITH THEM |
| 21:54.37 | sukoshi | wow ok |
| 21:54.40 | kergoth | sukoshi: first of all, -mcpu=xscale isnt supported by gcc2 |
| 21:54.40 | Twiun | sheenmaster: applet?? not in wonka surely? |
| 21:54.41 | kergoth | sukoshi: period |
| 21:54.49 | kergoth | sukoshi: second, gcc3 wont produce a sane kernel |
| 21:54.52 | kergoth | sukoshi: .. |
| 21:55.23 | sukoshi | kergoth: i heard that a gcc3 compiled kernel just doesn't launch |
| 21:55.49 | sheenmaster | Twiun: not yet, I though applet support was your goal |
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| 21:55.57 | kergoth | sukoshi: yes. gcc3 has known ARM bugs |
| 21:56.14 | sheenmaster | Twiun: JApplet being my grudging acceptance of Swings superiority. |
| 21:56.19 | Twiun | sheenmaster: native peers currently implemented (and buggy) for wonka/qtawt are: Label, Button, Container, Component, Frame, Window, Dialog, Graphics, Image and EventQueue |
| 21:56.27 | sukoshi | kergoth: did you read that GCC 3.4 will lose some cpu/arch supports ? |
| 21:56.38 | sheenmaster | Twiun: JApplet and JList are all that are important :( |
| 21:56.39 | Twiun | sheenmaster: my aim is full AWT support, including applets |
| 21:56.55 | Twiun | sheenmaster: JApplet and JList no not have native peers |
| 21:56.59 | sheenmaster | Twiun: screw it then, the console version is better for the Z anyways. |
| 21:57.10 | Twiun | sheenmaster: they build upon Applet and List from basic AWT |
| 21:57.26 | Twiun | sheenmaster: full AWT support will eventually give support for Swing anyway |
| 21:57.57 | warmi | Swing on the Zaurus ? |
| 21:57.59 | warmi | my God ... |
| 21:58.21 | sheenmaster | warmi: I didn't want to use Swing! It was Sun's fault for a shitty AWT implimentation! |
| 21:58.29 | Twiun | warmi: I'm reimplementing AWT... god knows I might even speed up Swing eventually :) |
| 21:58.52 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:58.57 | sheenmaster | Twiun: could you slip a "ScrollToBottom" method in the java.awt.List copy.... |
| 21:59.44 | Twiun | sheenmaster: fraid not can't break api compatibility... but I'll try to find a way to make it possible |
| 21:59.47 | warmi | Twiun: I thought AWT was about reusing existing "native" components ... |
| 22:00.03 | Twiun | warmi: yup, but I still have to connect the bits |
| 22:00.07 | warmi | yeah, true |
| 22:00.19 | Twiun | warmi: and Qt has quite a different structure to AWT internally |
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| 22:01.36 | Twiun | warmi: did you see the last DrugMoney screenshot with Wonka? |
| 22:04.33 | warmi | Twiun: yeah, I saw it |
| 22:06.49 | sheenmaster | Twiun: and new wonka ipkg? |
| 22:06.52 | sheenmaster | any* |
| 22:07.20 | Twiun | sheenmaster: sure, one sec |
| 22:07.31 | sheenmaster | Twiun: I'm finalizing the image of my cf card before installling sharp rom and ripping jeode. |
| 22:07.42 | sheenmaster | Twiun: I'll do my best to maintain wonka compatibility. |
| 22:07.47 | dmalloc | so.. no faq, no howto. How do you switch the keyboard driver to another language after you installed the localization package ? (becausechanging teh lanague does not change the driver) |
| 22:08.33 | Twiun | sheenmaster: as long as you don't use any com.* or qt.* classes, you shouldn't have any problems |
| 22:08.43 | Twiun | sheenmaster: http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/wonka/ and grab the latest ipk |
| 22:09.22 | sheenmaster | Twiun: java.lang.math.*, java.util.*, and java.net.* |
| 22:09.34 | sheenmaster | Twiun: scripts are now loaded through the URL class from my server |
| 22:09.50 | sheenmaster | Twiun: or a local copy in the case of the Zaurus |
| 22:10.04 | Twiun | sheenmaster: java.net might be a bit buggy under wonka, but otherwise wonka should be according to java1.1 spec |
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| 22:10.24 | sheenmaster | Twiun: how buggy? |
| 22:10.56 | sheenmaster | Twiun: it's essential to everything but the basic 30 or so rpn methods that are hard-coded |
| 22:11.07 | sheenmaster | into my app |
| 22:11.15 | dmalloc | and wonka is what ? ;) |
| 22:11.25 | Twiun | sheenmaster: I can't really measure it, afaik it passes every mauve test that the Acunia guys drew up |
| 22:11.30 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: Yet Another Java Virtual Machine |
| 22:11.32 | Twiun | dmalloc: Jeode alternative |
| 22:11.40 | dmalloc | ah. neat |
| 22:12.15 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: it isn't as pretty on the Z, but it's a lot less of a bitch when it comes to licensing and OZ support |
| 22:12.19 | sukoshi | is there any flash player on Z? |
| 22:12.42 | dmalloc | sheenmaster: oh well, I am one of those that do not really stand well with java ;) |
| 22:12.49 | dmalloc | but it is neat none the less |
| 22:13.03 | Twiun | sheenmaster: you forgot the yet :) "it isn't as pretty on the Z, YET, "... |
| 22:13.07 | sukoshi | i found a great tokyo map in .swf format, it would be neat to be able to use this |
| 22:13.23 | sheenmaster | Twiun: damn touchpad, keeps selecting words while I'm typing |
| 22:13.45 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: swfplayer could be recompiled for tinyx |
| 22:13.53 | kergoth | dmalloc: 'open source routing software'? |
| 22:13.59 | mewyn | cool. unison is working |
| 22:14.05 | sukoshi | sheenmaster: ok |
| 22:14.09 | kergoth | bipolar: pushing the fix now |
| 22:14.13 | Twiun | sheenmaster: did you know that the latest JMF lib from Sun supports Flash (v2 I think) |
| 22:14.34 | dmalloc | kergoth: there are some routing/maspping sofwatre packages for gtk which can work with common map files to route you with a gps |
| 22:14.39 | kergoth | dmalloc: ah, gotcha |
| 22:14.58 | bipolar | kergoth: thanks... sorry for the frustration |
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| 22:15.10 | dmalloc | kergoth: btw all files are mirrored in case I forgot to tell you |
| 22:15.17 | kergoth | dmalloc: cool, email me the url, if you would |
| 22:15.50 | zrenob | are there any tech preview sites that have information on the future of the zaurus? i want to get one, but plan on waiting until summer when i am around to use it |
| 22:16.15 | zrenob | or is the 5600 the only 'new' model planned so far? |
| 22:17.16 | sheenmaster | Twiun: is this flash support Macromedia-approved? |
| 22:17.26 | sheenmaster | Twiun: or will Sun get their fingers cut off |
| 22:17.33 | dmalloc | kergoth: if you tell me your email again ;) |
| 22:17.45 | warmi | zrenob: well, 5600 and C 700 are the only "new" models |
| 22:18.30 | Twiun | sheenmaster: I'm sure they've got it approved |
| 22:18.58 | sheenmaster | Twiun: that's the same version of Wonka I had downloaded before |
| 22:19.02 | sheenmaster | Twiun: no progress? |
| 22:19.18 | sukoshi | Twiun: where can i get this JMF lib? |
| 22:19.43 | Twiun | sheenmaster: did you get the 0.9.5 version? |
| 22:19.57 | Twiun | sukoshi: straight from Sun, look for the Java Media Framework |
| 22:19.58 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: http://java.sun.com/asdfasdfa2342343rhb23y/baydufb23423432/sdfooo/bar/wannabe/dudda.pdf.tar.bz2.gz.etc |
| 22:20.05 | dmalloc | kergoth: you have mail |
| 22:20.18 | Twiun | dmalloc stands in for outlook :) |
| 22:20.30 | sheenmaster | sukoshi: (that was a joke; Sun's website used to be a beeyatch) |
| 22:20.37 | zrenob | where is information reguarding the C600/C700? I can't find anything on sharp's site |
| 22:20.46 | sheenmaster | wonka_0.9.5-smw3_arm.ipk? |
| 22:20.49 | dmalloc | mutt baby |
| 22:20.51 | sheenmaster | what's the smw stand for? |
| 22:21.33 | Twiun | sheenmaster: those are my initials... read my CV :) |
| 22:21.37 | Twiun | sheenmaster: adorphuye.com/cv |
| 22:22.45 | zrenob | oh geeze..google found it...and showed my a mini-laptop |
| 22:22.49 | zrenob | that thing is wierd |
| 22:22.53 | sukoshi | zrenob: C600 ? |
| 22:22.59 | zrenob | the c700 |
| 22:23.28 | sheenmaster | Twiun: can you explain the relationship between jeode and j2me |
| 22:23.32 | sukoshi | zrenob: ezaurus.com |
| 22:23.50 | sheenmaster | Twiun: Is the latter a different api, or just different windowing shit. |
| 22:23.51 | sheenmaster | ? |
| 22:24.09 | dmalloc | hrrm so what else is a neat zaurus software index ? |
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| 22:25.26 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: just add http://zaurus.frob.us/ as a feed |
| 22:25.42 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: I post OZ-compatible software from ZSI there |
| 22:25.51 | kergoth | bipolar: bk pull; bk -r co -q |
| 22:25.52 | Twiun | sheenmaster: Sun can explain it better than I ever will, compare and contrast PersonalJava (Jeode) and J2ME |
| 22:27.49 | dmalloc | neat |
| 22:27.56 | dmalloc | first have to compile a new kernel to get 802.1d working, thanks sheenmaster |
| 22:28.11 | sheenmaster | dmalloc: np |
| 22:30.30 | bipolar | kergoth: thanks |
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| 22:39.05 | mewyn | kergoth: ping |
| 22:43.34 | kergoth | mewyn: pong |
| 22:44.07 | sheenmaster | Twiun: kickass job on the new version |
| 22:44.21 | sheenmaster | Twiun: I had to double-check to make sure I was looking at the right screenshots |
| 22:44.22 | mewyn | kergoth: you using a 2.5 in a desktop machine? |
| 22:45.07 | dmalloc | <.. does |
| 22:45.15 | dmalloc | 2.5.64-mm5 |
| 22:45.21 | mewyn | any major problems? crashes, oopses, etc? |
| 22:45.37 | dmalloc | no, since 2.5.59 it is pretty rick stable. |
| 22:45.46 | dmalloc | but ths is a testing machine as well so I kinda expect them |
| 22:45.56 | mewyn | rick stable? is that more or less that rock solid? :) |
| 22:46.06 | dmalloc | a bit less |
| 22:46.11 | mewyn | heh :) |
| 22:48.18 | mewyn | isn't there a new config utility? |
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| 23:18.47 | mewyn | whee |
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| 23:20.44 | dmalloc | geezes crhist install ncurse-5.3-term takes forever with all those "cannot link" file messages |
| 23:20.54 | mewyn | make make |
| 23:21.59 | kergoth | dmalloc: ncurses-term has a _lot_ of files and dirs for the extra termtypes. |
| 23:22.57 | dmalloc | yupp ;) |
| 23:23.33 | dmalloc | kergoth: I sent the mail to your handhelds.org thing |
| 23:23.50 | kergoth | k |
| 23:23.58 | brent | kergoth: just got a dlink dcf-660w cheaply and it works *perfectly* in OZ. it made my day |
| 23:24.05 | kergoth | brent: glad to hear it |
| 23:26.13 | mewyn | not a bad choice |
| 23:26.37 | dmalloc | fine, I have an airport station and a mr314 that should work then |
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| 23:30.11 | bipolar | kergoth: should I build support for using tslib in qt/e or is support for that lacking? |
| 23:42.23 | kergoth | bipolar: I told you the other day, if you dont know what it is, disable it. Keep it disabled |
| 23:44.45 | kergoth | bipolar: When I want it enabled, I'll make it default to enabled for the target you're building for, and I'll tell you. until then, consider it not ready. |
| 23:44.57 | kergoth | bipolar: I'm hacking on that as we speak |
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| 23:54.38 | simcon | anyone got access to the http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus yet? it's been down all day |
| 23:54.48 | simcon | have they moved it now? |
| 23:55.11 | sukoshi | dmalloc: do you know hotplug? |
| 23:57.03 | dmalloc | hotplug? you mean hotplugging for linux ? |
| 23:59.56 | dmalloc | how come the usb device is dropped after a certain idle time ? |
