| 00:00.08 | kergoth | bleh, time to make sure tslib is working for the old 2.4.6 5500/5000d |
| 00:00.11 | stwizard | the new opie boot menu is no good |
| 00:00.13 | kergoth | then i can use it across the board |
| 00:00.17 | kergoth | what opie boot menu? |
| 00:00.21 | kergoth | there isnt an opie boot menu |
| 00:00.30 | kergoth | there's opie-login, but thats a logins creen not a menu :) |
| 00:00.32 | stwizard | can't get back to console |
| 00:01.04 | stwizard | right,that |
| 00:01.15 | stwizard | the session mgr |
| 00:01.28 | stwizard | that asks for login name |
| 00:01.30 | kergoth | ah, i'll play with that soon, 3.1 final will be running opie as a user |
| 00:01.47 | stwizard | ohhhh boy |
| 00:01.57 | stwizard | that is too cool |
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| 00:02.09 | kergoth | stwizard: http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO |
| 00:02.20 | stwizard | you really makin this thing work, man |
| 00:02.33 | stwizard | hmmmm |
| 00:02.33 | *** part/#zaurus simcon (~simcon@213.122.208.100) |
| 00:03.01 | stwizard | can i cut/paste that to konq/e on z? |
| 00:04.46 | stwizard | konq didn't like that url :) |
| 00:06.43 | stwizard | no there was foreign char at beginning b4 http: |
| 00:06.53 | stwizard | checking now |
| 00:08.36 | dmalloc | geezes crist that "The agency " is one crap TV show |
| 00:11.16 | kendrick | heh |
| 00:11.32 | stwizard | kergoth: is there a solution to having too many applets? i can only see one prog icon in taskbar, can a menu be made of the applets and/or running programs like the keyboard menu popup? |
| 00:12.27 | Burrito | this is stupid. howcome sharp doesn't bring Terminal by default... |
| 00:12.40 | Burrito | or a file manager |
| 00:12.52 | Burrito | I needed to move OSPACK to cf root |
| 00:13.17 | Burrito | if I didn't have a full backup on CF I was fried |
| 00:13.31 | stwizard | man, that is a long and ambitious todo |
| 00:14.16 | dmalloc | kergoth: is there an ftp account I can sync with? dowbnloading all the files to the mirror via htpp is kinda tedious ;) |
| 00:15.18 | stwizard | i was wondering and hoping for the same thing two days ago |
| 00:15.58 | kergoth | bleh, i'm not a fan of ftp, given its a less efficient protocol.. but i'm afraid not |
| 00:16.03 | kergoth | we use SF for our hosting, which doesnt provide that |
| 00:16.19 | stwizard | can we get rc3 yet? |
| 00:16.37 | dmalloc | oh well I will do it via http then |
| 00:16.46 | dmalloc | fold=folk |
| 00:17.02 | kergoth | you can get rc3 when its released |
| 00:17.13 | stwizard | dmalloc: are you using z or desktop? |
| 00:17.25 | dmalloc | stwizard to do what? |
| 00:17.41 | stwizard | download feed |
| 00:17.54 | dmalloc | I am syncing all the kernels and initrds to my server so kergoth has another mirror |
| 00:17.59 | kergoth | or you can build what will become rc3 from our buildsystem, if you feel like waiting a while :) |
| 00:18.05 | kergoth | dmalloc: it'd be nice to have rsync access. |
| 00:18.35 | dmalloc | kergoth: yes, we were trying the same for fink, but even thoughmax knows some sf folk.. no luck |
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| 00:19.14 | bobbyd | hi |
| 00:19.27 | bobbyd | anyone here got a zaurus from shop.conics.net |
| 00:19.29 | bobbyd | ? |
| 00:20.17 | stwizard | do you mean a full time 24/7 mirror? cuz my pc pretty much stays on all the time but not guaranteed |
| 00:20.25 | _Psycho | yes bobby |
| 00:20.31 | Burrito | hmmm my z is fixing millions of inodes |
| 00:21.03 | bobbyd | _Psycho: what was the service like? |
| 00:21.06 | stwizard | the files for oz are small, cable should be fine to serve them, right? |
| 00:21.20 | oGMo | Burrito: you flashed, and you didn't do a full reset |
| 00:21.28 | _Psycho | great, the guys is great, delivery from japan to canada took 3 days (was like 4 days backorder) |
| 00:21.29 | oGMo | let me guess |
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| 00:21.42 | oGMo | _Psycho: whoa nice ;) |
| 00:21.48 | bobbyd | _Psycho: so i shouldnt worry? |
| 00:21.53 | _Psycho | not at all |
| 00:21.57 | _Psycho | i recommand it for sure |
| 00:21.59 | bobbyd | _Psycho: which model? |
| 00:22.06 | _Psycho | c700 |
| 00:22.08 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 00:22.15 | bobbyd | i ordered the same |
| 00:22.16 | bobbyd | ;)) |
| 00:22.18 | bobbyd | how is it? |
| 00:22.21 | _Psycho | it own |
| 00:22.24 | _Psycho | its so impressive ;) hehe |
| 00:22.30 | bobbyd | it's all you expected |
| 00:22.33 | _Psycho | screen is so clear and nice |
| 00:22.35 | oGMo | man i want to learn japanese now just so i can use native gadgets |
| 00:22.40 | bobbyd | ? |
| 00:22.53 | Shdwdrgn | sorry for joining in the middle of the conversation, but is someone looking for a hosting site for Z files? I can't find what the reference was about for the uploads |
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| 00:23.08 | dmalloc | oGMo the japanesemodels have a qwerty keypad |
| 00:23.24 | bobbyd | _Psycho: are you a coder? |
| 00:23.40 | bobbyd | _Psycho: did you convert it to english? |
| 00:23.50 | _Psycho | coder, not a big c++ coder, but i can code yes |
| 00:23.56 | _Psycho | yes converted it, quite easy to do |
| 00:24.34 | _Psycho | some font are not good after, but most of Qtopia work in englis perfectly |
| 00:24.39 | _Psycho | waiting on OPIE thought with OZ |
| 00:24.59 | _Psycho | i installed the scumvm, to play lucasart, work great, first time :) |
| 00:25.07 | oGMo | dmalloc: yeah but the OS isn't english i'm sure, and i'm talking more in general too ;) |
| 00:25.13 | _Psycho | doom run #1 and like my wireless card work fine with OZ didnt tried with the original rm |
| 00:25.33 | oGMo | it's like learning C so you can use it |
| 00:25.44 | dmalloc | oGMo change locale.conf from jp to en ;) |
| 00:25.46 | _Psycho | oGMo it is you can convert it in englsih easy, and there is only 2-3 littles keys in japanases on the keyboard, everything else is a normal qwerty keyboard |
| 00:25.55 | oGMo | lots of stuff is in C, so you don't convert it all or constrain yourself to BASIC ;) |
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| 00:26.00 | oGMo | dmalloc: hrm ;) |
| 00:26.10 | oGMo | there are other things too |
| 00:26.16 | _Psycho | like ? |
| 00:26.21 | oGMo | gba/cube games, books, movies |
| 00:26.41 | oGMo | i said more in general, remember |
| 00:26.41 | _Psycho | the nes emulator work fine on it, the gameboy i didnt tried :) |
| 00:26.52 | oGMo | if i just wanted a c700 i could order from dynamism or figure it out |
| 00:27.02 | _Psycho | im waiting OPIE for the opieplayer for divx files |
| 00:27.15 | _Psycho | better get the conics.net one, you save 130$ |
| 00:27.17 | oGMo | i want an opie checkbook that works :) |
| 00:27.38 | oGMo | i should go back and use the latest hancomcreator scripts and see if i can get a working hancomsheet |
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| 00:27.50 | kergoth | oGMo: try zmoney |
| 00:27.52 | oGMo | then try the latest oz3.1pre |
| 00:27.54 | oGMo | kergoth: hrm |
| 00:27.58 | kergoth | oGMo: may be becoming part of opie, in fact |
| 00:28.00 | oGMo | that looked inefficient |
| 00:28.04 | oGMo | kergoth: hrm, k |
| 00:28.08 | kergoth | well, its better than opie-checkbook |
| 00:28.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:28.19 | kergoth | not that thats saying much.. but hey |
| 00:28.21 | oGMo | hehe |
| 00:28.34 | oGMo | opiecheckbook is actually a pretty decent idea, but there are... issues |
| 00:28.48 | kergoth | yeah, it was a needed app. |
| 00:28.50 | oGMo | the recently-demoted #2 issue is the fact it orders everything by ascii |
| 00:28.50 | kergoth | needs work |
| 00:28.58 | kergoth | I still want a really spiffy app for tracking my workout routines |
| 00:29.00 | Burrito | BTB |
| 00:29.02 | Burrito | BRB |
| 00:29.04 | *** part/#zaurus Burrito (~burrito@a213-22-100-192.netcabo.pt) |
| 00:29.11 | oGMo | the #1 issue is that it recently decided not to display any of my old transactions ;) |
| 00:29.22 | oGMo | but otherwise it's quite nice |
| 00:29.27 | oGMo | kergoth: hrm |
| 00:29.46 | oGMo | kergoth: there ought to be a more general db type app, instead of all these applets |
| 00:29.59 | oGMo | i know about kgrok or whatever, but that's not sufficient |
| 00:30.01 | kergoth | oGMo: well, theres portabase |
| 00:30.11 | kergoth | and statgrapher is good for general tracking |
| 00:30.17 | kergoth | but it was never finished |
| 00:30.24 | _Psycho | cant wait to see OPIE in action |
| 00:30.45 | bobbyd | night |
| 00:30.47 | _Psycho | btw how it goes ? |
| 00:30.48 | kergoth | ~cluebat _Psycho |
| 00:30.49 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps _Psycho. |
| 00:30.50 | bobbyd | thanks |
| 00:30.53 | _Psycho | night bobbyd |
| 00:30.55 | kergoth | hacking on tslib some atm |
| 00:30.58 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 00:31.00 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 00:31.02 | kergoth | getting it working again with a stock 5500 |
| 00:31.09 | kergoth | so i can use tslib on every supported OZ/OE device |
| 00:31.13 | kergoth | instead of just on some |
| 00:31.17 | _Psycho | i see |
| 00:31.56 | _Psycho | dumb me i install every gnome, mozille, icewm, enlightment and packages possible i forgot to install xfree ;) |
| 00:32.22 | treke | bleh. buildroot hates me today |
| 00:32.23 | oGMo | kergoth: i'm thinking something like (gag) access |
| 00:32.36 | kergoth | oGMo: try portabase |
| 00:32.48 | oGMo | or any of the old "tiny" dbs, where you can make forms and reports and stuff |
| 00:32.50 | oGMo | kergoth: hrm |
| 00:33.10 | kergoth | I havent used it myself, but treke here has brought it up on multiple occasions, iirc |
| 00:33.11 | oGMo | the gui being the main part of the functionality |
| 00:33.15 | treke | or tkcdatabasething |
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| 00:33.42 | Burrito | ufff |
| 00:33.50 | Burrito | my z is syncing again |
| 00:34.01 | oGMo | oh wow heh... zmoney has changed |
| 00:34.13 | oGMo | i remember "using" the first release |
| 00:34.35 | treke | its a shame stash never went anywhere. i liked it |
| 00:34.48 | kergoth | yeah, me too |
| 00:35.22 | ljp | stash author was an early zaurus defector |
| 00:35.30 | treke | ah was he? |
| 00:35.31 | oGMo | or that one free spreadsheet |
| 00:35.45 | oGMo | i'm still a fan of the versatility hancomsheet had |
| 00:36.07 | treke | so many people have disappeared. |
| 00:36.13 | treke | The author of vmemo |
| 00:36.20 | treke | conber |
| 00:36.31 | treke | even sandman |
| 00:36.50 | ljp | ya jeremy (vmemo) doesnt even respond to emails |
| 00:37.37 | kergoth | hehe, the stash author i remember trying to get bitchx crosscompiled back in the day |
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| 00:37.59 | ljp | hmm |
| 00:40.26 | oGMo | fortunately opie-checkbook files are all ascii |
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| 00:49.19 | Burrito | anyone with GPS? |
| 00:57.39 | dmalloc | Is there a list of recommended Apps I should install after having flashed with OZ ? |
| 00:58.19 | treke | 2nope |
| 00:59.16 | dmalloc | bummer |
| 00:59.27 | treke | just install what you want |
| 01:01.21 | dmalloc | recommendations ? ;) |
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| 01:11.48 | dmalloc | whow this is so neat ;) |
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| 01:12.20 | kergoth | hey raster |
| 01:12.23 | Burrito | dmalloc: easy to install? |
| 01:12.31 | kergoth | raster: how goes it? |
| 01:13.42 | dmalloc | Burrito well I need to work out the dependencies for mediplayer2 but apart from that.. easy stuff ;) |
| 01:13.55 | dmalloc | that liquid style with smallsmootie text looks neat ;) |
| 01:14.01 | dmalloc | my zaurus never looked so good |
| 01:14.10 | kergoth | hehe, its definately perty |
| 01:14.15 | kergoth | you should check out flat, its pretty nice too |
| 01:14.24 | kergoth | its so simple and _fast_. doesnt have the redraw delay liquid does |
| 01:14.55 | dmalloc | ahh good thought |
| 01:15.08 | dmalloc | now to gewt libxine1 and zlib |
| 01:15.09 | kergoth | i switch to liquid once every few weeks |
| 01:15.10 | Burrito | one thing.. is it faster than Sharps ? |
| 01:15.13 | kergoth | then end up switching back |
| 01:15.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:15.52 | _Psycho | oh god, going to install every unstable package, xfree stable doesnt support my videocard another 250megs ;) |
| 01:16.38 | _Psycho | brb |
| 01:16.49 | raster | kergoth: mronin mate! |
| 01:17.02 | raster | kergoth: busy as hel;l.. just re-arranging desk |
| 01:17.41 | kergoth | raster: can you see the surface of it yet? ;) |
| 01:17.49 | dmalloc | krrm xpdf depends on gzip now where to get ? ;) |
| 01:18.15 | kergoth | dmalloc: busybox Provides gzip, iirc |
| 01:18.28 | kergoth | dmalloc: you already have it ;0 -force-depends if necessary |
| 01:18.47 | dmalloc | yeah was a bit confised about that cause it shows as installed |
| 01:24.56 | dmalloc | yummy pdf documents on a zaurus |
| 01:26.12 | dmalloc | damn I love it. |
| 01:26.14 | dmalloc | thanks |
| 01:26.23 | dmalloc | time to go sleep.. 2:26 am is late enough ;) |
| 01:27.33 | dmalloc | kergoth: 3.0 is completely mirrored, I am doing 3.1 tomorrow. |
| 01:27.39 | dmalloc | night ya all |
| 01:27.50 | kergoth | night |
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| 01:30.31 | Zurro | ? |
| 01:30.47 | Burrito | damn isps |
| 01:31.09 | Burrito | ahm.. I installed some apps to CF on Z |
| 01:31.26 | Burrito | the screen is 'hanged' showing the clock |
| 01:31.30 | Burrito | sand clock... |
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| 02:05.16 | Burrito | hmm.. i forgot to delete/move ospack from cf root |
| 02:05.25 | Burrito | when trying to install oz |
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| 02:14.07 | redfenix | hi hi |
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| 02:14.11 | Odrod | Can anyone help me out? |
| 02:16.17 | redfenix | depends... |
| 02:16.30 | redfenix | what's up? |
| 02:21.31 | Odrod | hi |
| 02:21.43 | Odrod | I installed Open Zaurus on my Z and now I can't sync |
| 02:21.52 | Odrod | I've changed the security settings |
| 02:22.35 | Odrod | I've also changed to Version 1.6 of Qtopia Desktop |
| 02:25.46 | Burrito | can you ping it ? |
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| 02:59.01 | Odrod | sorry, no I cannot ping it either |
| 02:59.08 | Odrod | I'm trying 192.168.129.0 |
| 03:02.37 | Burrito | ok. I just set it up now |
| 03:02.49 | kergoth`bbl | eh? you dont ping a network. |
| 03:02.55 | kergoth`bbl | 192.168.129.0 is a network address. |
| 03:02.59 | Burrito | yes |
| 03:03.09 | Burrito | are you refering to security tab ? |
| 03:03.18 | Burrito | kergoth: congrats :) |
| 03:03.31 | kergoth | on what? :) |
| 03:03.35 | Burrito | oz |
| 03:04.21 | Burrito | I'll just try irda dialup |
| 03:04.31 | Burrito | before fall into bed |
| 03:05.25 | Burrito | hmmm |
| 03:05.37 | Burrito | sharp's backup system is not compat.? |
| 03:07.20 | Odrod | jesus sorry I can't keep focused |
| 03:07.31 | Odrod | what do I try to ping? |
| 03:07.36 | Burrito | from pc |
| 03:07.41 | kergoth | you ping the IP assigned to your Zaurus. |
| 03:07.52 | Odrod | ok, how do I find out my Z's IP? |
| 03:07.54 | kergoth | which network setup on the Settings tab shows you |
| 03:08.22 | Burrito | kergoth: I'm having some problems with usbd0 ... it's up but with no ip addr., though is specified |
| 03:09.13 | kergoth | Burrito: usbd0 is on the desktop side. how you configure that is distribution dependent. |
| 03:09.25 | Odrod | ok, ping 192.168.129.201 times out |
| 03:09.34 | Odrod | thats what it says my IP is |
| 03:09.41 | kergoth | then of course syncing will fail. |
| 03:09.56 | Odrod | ker: thats why I came here |
| 03:09.56 | kergoth | what desktop operating system? |
| 03:09.59 | Odrod | because I don't have a clue |
| 03:10.00 | Odrod | XP |
| 03:10.08 | kergoth | then you didnt set the IP on the network interface |
| 03:10.11 | kergoth | as outlined in the FAQ |
| 03:10.12 | Burrito | usbd0 can be specified on pc side? |
| 03:10.23 | redfenix | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.1 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 03:10.23 | redfenix | route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 |
| 03:10.33 | redfenix | that worked for me. |
| 03:10.36 | kergoth | Control Panel -> network properties -> tcp/ip |
| 03:10.40 | kergoth | thats unnecessary |
| 03:10.48 | kergoth | er |
| 03:10.54 | kergoth | shouldnt be anyway, if you use hotplug |
| 03:11.05 | kergoth | if you use hotplug, you should be able, in most distributions, to setup the interface through normal methods |
| 03:11.09 | redfenix | I put it in a script for hotplug |
| 03:11.10 | kergoth | i.e. redhat based, netconfig -i usb0 |
| 03:11.17 | redfenix | but I hate gui setup stuff |
| 03:11.18 | kergoth | debian based, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:11.19 | Burrito | hmm... I reconnected it on craddle and it's working |
| 03:11.27 | redfenix | =) |
| 03:11.55 | kergoth | vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-usb0 |
| 03:11.56 | Odrod | Kergoth I don't have network properties in XP |
| 03:11.59 | kergoth | then just make sure hotplug calls ifup/ifdown |
| 03:12.06 | kergoth | Odrod: yes, you do. |
| 03:12.08 | Burrito | ah ok |
| 03:12.10 | kergoth | Control Panel |
| 03:12.17 | Odrod | ahhh |
| 03:12.18 | Odrod | ok |
| 03:12.21 | kergoth | double click on network connections |
| 03:12.25 | kergoth | right click on the Z interface |
| 03:12.26 | Odrod | yeah I got it |
| 03:12.27 | kergoth | hit properties |
| 03:12.29 | kergoth | tcp/ip |
| 03:12.31 | kergoth | properties |
| 03:12.31 | Pend-Gone | I'm surprised someone hasn't ported a nano that works for zaurus |
| 03:12.33 | kergoth | set the IP |
| 03:12.36 | kergoth | as OUTLINED in the FAQ |
| 03:12.45 | Pendalar | heh |
| 03:12.47 | kergoth | Pendalar: nano is in the OZ buildroot, and should be in the feeds. |
| 03:13.08 | Burrito | hey... it'll sync.... |
| 03:13.16 | Pendalar | last I tried it segfaulted, but I'll give it another go in a few |
| 03:13.16 | Burrito | eheh |
| 03:13.52 | kergoth | Why does no one know how to manipulate a network interface in windows? |
| 03:14.03 | kergoth | I'm constantly having to handhold people through it |
| 03:14.06 | Burrito | hmm. I know! :) |
| 03:15.03 | Pendalar | I don't mess with the network app |
| 03:15.14 | Burrito | ifcfg-usbd0 is empty... should I call ifup ? |
| 03:15.18 | Pendalar | it tends to freeze my device and other wildness... and interface isn't that hard to edit |
| 03:15.36 | kergoth | ifup will not do anything if you dont setup ifcfg-[device], in redhat |
| 03:15.38 | kergoth | read the man pages |
| 03:16.05 | kergoth | I'm surprised I remember this stuff, guess studying for that RHCE i obtained managed to sink something into long term memory |
| 03:16.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:16.23 | Burrito | eheh |
| 03:16.23 | Pendalar | is that the only cert you have? |
| 03:16.24 | Odrod | ah ha |
| 03:16.27 | Odrod | ping 192.168.129.1 worked |
| 03:16.46 | Odrod | so did 201 |
| 03:17.18 | kergoth | Pendalar: RHCE, the level 1 linux professional institute, and the level one SAIR/GNU |
| 03:17.24 | kergoth | Pendalar: pretty much all the available linux certs. |
| 03:17.25 | chouimat | kergoth: ewwwwwwwww RHCE |
| 03:17.29 | Pendalar | coo |
| 03:17.31 | Burrito | oh I saw the answer to my backup question |
| 03:17.37 | kergoth | Pendalar: AIX and Solaris admin were always on my todo, till i decided i wasnt going into sysadmin |
| 03:17.46 | Pendalar | chouimat: maybe, but why not get it just to fluff a resume? |
| 03:17.52 | Pendalar | screw principles |
| 03:17.57 | kergoth | right. plus i didnt pay for it |
| 03:18.00 | kergoth | so why not? |
| 03:18.05 | Pendalar | even better heh |
| 03:18.06 | kergoth | stupid test is like $800 though. insane |
| 03:18.12 | Burrito | pimps |
| 03:18.20 | Pendalar | MS tests cost what $500 now? |
| 03:18.21 | chouimat | Pendalar: maybe .... here they want CISCO Cert level 3 |
| 03:18.41 | kergoth | chouimat: right, a network admin has quite a different set of requirements. |
| 03:18.42 | Pendalar | I have nothing atm ... just a flunky |
| 03:18.59 | kergoth | I never wanted to go into network administration |
| 03:19.00 | chouimat | kergoth: I won't pay 8000$ to get that |
| 03:19.07 | kergoth | chouimat: me neither |
| 03:19.11 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:19.36 | chouimat | kergoth: I used to debug those RHCE and *CE in school :) |
| 03:20.01 | kergoth | RHCE is a well done test compared to say MSCE for example. |
| 03:20.09 | kergoth | RHCE is 2/3rds real world experience |
| 03:20.13 | kergoth | only 1/3rd can be memorized |
| 03:20.36 | chouimat | kergoth: If you can get the hand on the new voivod album, get it |
| 03:20.41 | kergoth | will do |
| 03:21.04 | mandrake | heh I helped ryan and mike write the first RHCE test |
| 03:21.08 | chouimat | kergoth: they got their old sound (1984-1993) |
| 03:21.10 | mandrake | that was funny |
| 03:21.14 | kergoth | mandrake: well good job :P |
| 03:21.14 | mandrake | we did it at ALS 98 |
| 03:21.22 | kergoth | chouimat: ah |
| 03:21.40 | mandrake | I think it was als 98, could have been linux expo |
| 03:21.45 | mandrake | my memory is all shaky |
| 03:21.51 | chouimat | kergoth: and they got a new bass player: Jason Newsted (ex-Metallica) not bad for a Quebec band |
| 03:21.53 | kergoth | that test price is just assanine though. bleh |
| 03:22.05 | mandrake | kergoth: it's not free anymore/ |
| 03:22.06 | mandrake | ? |
| 03:22.06 | Burrito | TinyX will run along with opie ?! |
| 03:22.10 | kergoth | chouimat: newsted is with them? ah yeah, a friend of mine at work was telling me about them on friday |
| 03:22.11 | Odrod | kergoth: I can ping it now, where do I go from here? |
| 03:22.30 | kergoth | mandrake: its like 3 grand for the courses + test, the test alone is $800. |
| 03:22.35 | kergoth | mandrake: nuts, if you ask me. |
| 03:22.35 | mandrake | wow |
| 03:22.39 | mandrake | it used to be free |
| 03:22.39 | krezel | I'm sore, who wants to give me a backrub? |
| 03:22.39 | Pendalar | haha awesome |
| 03:22.41 | chouimat | kergoth: very good, they will probably tour with Iron Maiden this summer |
| 03:23.00 | Pendalar | assasain is a job a dice.com |
| 03:23.18 | chouimat | Pendalar: as butt doctor in Quebec City |
| 03:23.34 | Pendalar | heh |
| 03:25.05 | Burrito | Logout will result on a segfault |
| 03:25.14 | chouimat | krezel: just ask my cat, a 10-pound-clawed meat tenderer |
| 03:25.28 | krezel | chouimat: I said "backrub" not "clawing to the bone" |
| 03:26.24 | mspencer | I had my math teacher going after class today :) |
| 03:26.27 | chouimat | krezel: he won't use it just make himself confy on your back (that take 12 minutes) |
| 03:26.40 | Odrod | I dunno if I'm looking at the right FAQ or not but I can't find shit for the info I need |
| 03:26.52 | krezel | haha |
| 03:26.56 | mspencer | We were learning about Euler's phi function, in number theory...I told him I tried to use that in maple, but it'd just draw a phi character for me and wouldn't do any math. |
| 03:26.58 | krezel | I should just call my girlfriend |
| 03:27.09 | Burrito | Odrod: what's that ? |
| 03:27.12 | mspencer | So he looks in the back of his book...ah, so I need to call it like numtheory[phi](27) or whatever... |
| 03:27.22 | chouimat | krezel: imagine 10 pounds on four litle sticks on you back |
| 03:27.26 | mspencer | So I set the C700, with Maple running in a full-screen window, on the desk. And his jaw drops. ^____^ |
| 03:27.34 | mspencer | erm in full screen VNC... |
| 03:28.01 | krezel | chouimat: I think what I really need is a small asian woman jumping up and down on my spine |
| 03:28.02 | chouimat | anyone have a crack for the linux version of mathematica? |
| 03:28.06 | Bala | lol |
| 03:28.09 | chouimat | lol |
| 03:28.12 | mspencer | "Wow, you've got Maple on that thing?" "That's amazing! What is that?" |
| 03:28.55 | krezel | All you people with C700's need to stop making me so freaking jealous |
| 03:29.03 | _Psycho | mspencer your battery pack ever worked with your c700 ? |
| 03:29.04 | mspencer | sorry :) |
| 03:29.09 | mspencer | Yep -- used it all day today :) |
| 03:29.21 | krezel | mspencer: battery pack? external? |
| 03:29.22 | mspencer | Over six hours of full brightness screen plus 802.11b just today ^__^ |
| 03:29.28 | krezel | dang |
| 03:29.33 | _Psycho | krezel i almost sleep with mine, its my baby ! =p |
| 03:29.33 | redfenix | krezel: well, get one then.. =P |
| 03:29.43 | mspencer | yes, extermal. Built it myself out of radio shack parts and whatnot :) |
| 03:29.43 | _Psycho | damn its nice |
| 03:30.00 | chouimat | _Psycho: your cat? or c700? |
| 03:30.14 | mspencer | My observations, since getting the C700: |
| 03:30.25 | krezel | if( krezel.bankBalance() < c700.cost() ) krezel.happiness( DEPRESSED ); :( |
| 03:30.37 | _Psycho | my c700 of course ! |
| 03:30.44 | redfenix | _Psycho: I've been buying more pants with extra pockets so I can carry it around more... =) |
| 03:30.54 | mspencer | One, the screen makes a huge difference. Seriously, far more difference than you probably realize. 640x480 opens up a ton of possibilities. |
| 03:30.56 | _Psycho | krezel i have 2 letters for you: CC ! |
| 03:31.01 | Burrito | _Psycho: is it faster than 5500 ? |
| 03:31.05 | krezel | _Psycho: and one for you "Debt" :) |
| 03:31.09 | chouimat | _Psycho: nah |
| 03:31.14 | _Psycho | dont know burrito its the first pda i ever got |
| 03:31.19 | Burrito | ah ok |
| 03:31.27 | Burrito | do you think it's fast, then ? |
| 03:31.44 | _Psycho | the original qtopia is slow but i dont care much, i wait for opie |
| 03:31.57 | mspencer | My ex stepmom nearly ruined our family's finances with credit card debt. I always stayed far away from the things. |
| 03:32.04 | Burrito | what processor does it have ? |
| 03:32.08 | Burrito | xscale ? |
| 03:32.09 | _Psycho | the guys on externe.net/zaurus posted the difference between 5500 and c700 nice reviews |
| 03:32.16 | _Psycho | yeah 400 xcale rev 4 |
| 03:32.22 | mspencer | Until I realized -- it's absolutely free, as long as you just use it for a temporary holding space for monthly expendatures. |
| 03:32.28 | redfenix | you know.. I was thinking... if you wanted to _just_ run java, maybe there's some java/swing library which uses svgalib or something... |
| 03:32.46 | redfenix | you could use JInternalFrames and stuff for the apps. |
| 03:32.46 | mspencer | When you buy things, put them on the credit card, and then immediately as soon as the online banking thing says your credit card has a balance, pay it off. |
| 03:32.46 | kergoth | redfenix: you know, a free java is coming that has qt/e bindings :) |
| 03:33.04 | krezel[laptop] | How much faster does the C700 "feel" than the 5500? |
| 03:33.15 | redfenix | kergoth: bindings are swing/awt bindings? |
| 03:33.17 | kergoth | krezel[laptop]: performance is about the same. |
| 03:33.25 | mspencer | I don't know...do you guys want movie files (MOV format) of me doing stuff on the C700? |
| 03:33.36 | kergoth | redfenix: they're for the wonka VM. thats all i know. I'm no java guy |
| 03:33.37 | krezel[laptop] | kergoth: Does the XScale have a FPU? |
| 03:33.40 | mspencer | my digital camera just takes MOV format movies -- old old quicktime 2.0 or something format :) |
| 03:33.45 | treke|ho2e | krezel[laptop]: no |
| 03:33.49 | kergoth | krezel[laptop]: no |
| 03:33.53 | mspencer | format so old any version of Windows Media Player should play them out of the box ^__^ |
| 03:35.13 | krezel[laptop] | Anybody know where I can find an example of a recursive breadth first search function? I'm lazy and I dont feel like figuring it out for myself |
| 03:35.16 | mspencer | honestly, the C700 does feel a bit slow. About like a recent linux distro running on a pentium 166 or something. |
| 03:35.26 | kergoth | mspencer: its qtopia thats the real problem there |
| 03:35.38 | mspencer | Yeah, but I'm just telling it like I see it. |
| 03:35.41 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:36.00 | redfenix | kergoth: is opie lots faster than qtopia |
| 03:36.03 | mspencer | I'm also an Agenda VR3 owner -- I can tell you all about unrealized hardware potential. |
| 03:36.09 | krezel[laptop] | kergoth: Does OZ run faster on the C700? |
| 03:36.20 | mspencer | That's why I'm nervous about giving concessions to what might become true in the future. |
| 03:36.56 | mspencer | btw, I now own a 128 MB SD card. Lexar, $100 at a local retail store. Can I do anything interesting with that? |
| 03:36.58 | kergoth | krezel[laptop]: hard to say, opie itself wont be on there until I finish the qt/e keyboard work |
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| 03:37.21 | krezel[laptop] | Gotcha |
| 03:37.32 | kergoth | regardless, even if opie doesnt feel immediately faster, which it likely will, we can build a non-BC fully optimized rom built with gcc3 thatll fly |
| 03:37.36 | mspencer | also, where's the backquote? ^__^ |
| 03:37.41 | kergoth | prelink will help us ditch the load times both with gcc2 and gcc3 |
| 03:38.04 | mspencer | what about XIP, like they use on the Agenda? |
| 03:38.14 | kergoth | not worth it |
| 03:38.26 | mspencer | actually, I had a question about that... |
| 03:38.37 | kergoth | search linux-arm and linux-arm-kernel and finally the mtd mailing list archives |
| 03:38.45 | kergoth | XIP has been hashed out in full on numerous occasions |
| 03:38.47 | mspencer | I know that on the Agenda, when it gets low on RAM it starts 'paging' -- it swaps pages of executables back out to the original on-"disk" executable. |
| 03:39.00 | mspencer | Does that behavior happen even if you don't do XIP? |
| 03:39.17 | Burrito | kergoth: from a shell how to start opie again ? |
| 03:39.23 | Burrito | vertically |
| 03:39.28 | kergoth | Burrito: go read the FAQ. i'm not going to sit and hold your hand |
| 03:39.32 | Burrito | oriented |
| 03:39.38 | kergoth | that was one of the first FAQs I added. |
| 03:39.38 | Burrito | kergoth: sorry mate |
| 03:39.59 | redfenix | kergoth: is opie lots faster than qt? |
| 03:40.03 | kergoth | um |
| 03:40.06 | kergoth | qt is a library |
| 03:40.09 | kergoth | that both qtopia and opie use |
| 03:40.11 | redfenix | er. qtopia |
| 03:40.22 | mspencer | Even without XIP, do you get that paging-executables-back-out-to-the-on-disk-executable-image behavior? |
| 03:40.49 | kergoth | mspencer: read the linux VM doc |
| 03:40.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:41.02 | mspencer | I thought you knew... |
| 03:41.03 | Burrito | kergoth: sorry. I was thinking with my feet |
| 03:41.21 | Burrito | donkey feet |
| 03:41.22 | kergoth | Burrito: np, rest assured i'll point out whenever you do that |
| 03:41.23 | kergoth | Burrito: :P |
| 03:41.26 | redfenix | kergoth: so, is it? |
| 03:41.32 | kergoth | redfenix: hard to judge |
| 03:42.02 | krezel[laptop] | kergoth is the type that encourages RTFMing |
| 03:42.14 | mspencer | kergoth: once I read through there and find the answer, should I tell you what I find? |
| 03:42.18 | Burrito | I'm going to miss a Websense workshop tomorrow..... uh oh |
| 03:42.31 | kergoth | mspencer: certainly |
| 03:42.38 | Burrito | bofh rules |
| 03:42.40 | treke|ho2e | ~lart kergoth |
| 03:42.47 | kergoth | ~cluebat treke|ho2e |
| 03:42.48 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps treke|ho2e. |
| 03:43.25 | kergoth | ~kill lineo/metroworks, sharp, and trolltech |
| 03:43.31 | | ACTION slits lineo/metroworks, sharp, and trolltech's throat |
| 03:44.00 | krezel[laptop] | yow |
| 03:44.01 | kergoth | ~literal kill $who |
| 03:44.03 | | ACTION slits $who's throat |
| 03:44.06 | kergoth | hm |
| 03:44.10 | kergoth | ~literal kill |
| 03:44.11 | | kill is <action> kills all the morons |
| 03:44.15 | kergoth | hm |
| 03:44.20 | krezel[laptop] | ~kill krezel |
| 03:44.22 | | ACTION slits krezel's throat |
| 03:44.22 | kergoth | ~literal kill $target |
| 03:44.24 | | ACTION slits $target's throat |
| 03:44.33 | kergoth | damnit, i forgot what i called that .. |
| 03:44.37 | kergoth | what variable i used |
| 03:44.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:44.46 | krezel[laptop] | ~lart krezel |
| 03:44.48 | mspencer | -kill ibot's parser |
| 03:44.54 | mspencer | --kill ibot's parser |
| 03:45.01 | kergoth | ~literal kill $user |
| 03:45.06 | | ACTION slits $user's throat |
| 03:45.25 | mspencer | ~kill ibot's parser |
| 03:45.26 | | ACTION slits ibot's parser's throat |
| 03:45.42 | krezel[laptop] | heh |
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| 03:50.50 | krezel[laptop] | and its suddenly silent |
| 03:52.18 | kergoth | fucking usb-storage |
| 03:52.27 | kergoth | guess its reboot time |
| 03:52.32 | kergoth | brb |
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| 03:58.21 | Odrod | finally got it all working |
| 03:59.17 | Odrod | one thing, I can't figure out how to remove files from Documents |
| 04:03.55 | Burrito | bbt |
| 04:03.58 | Burrito | cyaz |
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| 04:04.48 | chouimat|Zzz | krezel[laptop]: you can do like the guy in american pie if you want |
| 04:04.52 | chouimat|Zzz | night |
| 04:05.08 | krezel[laptop] | no thanks |
| 04:05.15 | krezel[laptop] | that would be messy |
| 04:06.11 | redfenix | hmm.. if apple pie is like sex, then cheesecake must be like a bj. |
| 04:06.52 | krezel[laptop] | haha |
| 04:06.58 | krezel[laptop] | only if its rasberry cheescake |
| 04:07.03 | Odrod | well none of my games work |
| 04:07.16 | redfenix | whee.. finally got usb back working again. |
| 04:07.39 | redfenix | now to take a second shot at that bluez driver for the c700. |
| 04:07.48 | redfenix | I dug one up off of a japanese site. |
| 04:07.49 | krezel[laptop] | Is there any way to use the Z connecter as a usb connector? |
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| 04:08.24 | redfenix | krezel[laptop]: I've seen it stated in a faq that the Z's only got a client usb interface, not a server/hub |
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| 04:08.46 | Odrod | where are installed packages installed to? |
| 04:09.08 | redfenix | krezel[laptop]: make you wonder though... if you could rig up a "server" inline which would make the Z a client and anything else you want another client and maybe they could talk. |
| 04:09.33 | redfenix | Odrod: which ones? |
| 04:09.55 | Odrod | ones installed from Documents |
| 04:09.58 | Odrod | games |
| 04:09.59 | krezel[laptop] | redfenix: could be cool |
| 04:10.40 | redfenix | krezel[laptop]: that's why I opted to go with bluetooth... rig up keyboards, mice, cell phones, digital cameras, headsets, etc, etc. |
| 04:10.46 | redfenix | lots of toys. =) |
| 04:10.53 | redfenix | and lower power consumption |
| 04:11.01 | redfenix | Odrod: well, they're installed to different places... |
| 04:11.15 | krezel[laptop] | does the C700 have bluetooth? or are you using a USB adapter? |
| 04:11.23 | redfenix | krezel[laptop]: cf card |
| 04:11.35 | krezel[laptop] | ah |
| 04:11.36 | Odrod | redfenix: I bought this zaurus to get bluetooth and a 6310i |
| 04:11.41 | Odrod | for wireless internet |
| 04:13.40 | redfenix | Odrod: do you have a 5500 or c700? |
| 04:15.13 | Odrod | 5500 |
| 04:16.05 | Odrod | any clue where these files might of been installed to? |
| 04:16.20 | redfenix | Odrod: which files? |
| 04:17.01 | redfenix | Odrod: what are you looking for? |
| 04:17.21 | Odrod | I installed some packages |
| 04:17.27 | Odrod | and they don't work for some reason |
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| 04:18.49 | Odrod | this is really making me upset |
| 04:19.07 | Odrod | this thing hasn't worked right since I installed OZ |
| 04:19.21 | redfenix | hmm... well, try typing "ipkg files <pkg>" |
| 04:19.30 | redfenix | that will tell you where all the files for a specific package are. |
| 04:20.22 | Odrod | Syntax Error |
| 04:21.29 | krezel | Odrod: are you actually typing the package name for <pkg>? |
| 04:21.34 | Odrod | yeah |
| 04:21.36 | Odrod | I typed it wrong |
| 04:21.47 | krezel | That could be why :) |
| 04:22.29 | redfenix | ;) |
| 04:23.23 | Odrod | hmmmm |
| 04:23.37 | krezel[laptop] | I want a shell that will correct my bad spelling |
| 04:23.48 | Odrod | I guess the package name is not the name of the file |
| 04:24.17 | redfenix | try "ipkg list" to see the ones you have installed. |
| 04:26.35 | Odrod | ok |
| 04:26.46 | Odrod | opie-kpacman |
| 04:27.28 | Odrod | i wish that game worked :( |
| 04:27.51 | redfenix | well, did you type that in for the ipkg files command? |
| 04:28.18 | Odrod | do I type it like ipkg files <opie-kpacman> |
| 04:28.31 | redfenix | no <>'s |
| 04:28.35 | Odrod | ok |
| 04:29.21 | Odrod | well isn't that nice |
| 04:30.07 | redfenix | ? |
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| 04:30.58 | Odrod | I got it working |
| 04:31.05 | Odrod | or..I found the files |
| 04:31.28 | Odrod | I wonder why the games don't work |
| 04:34.59 | Odrod | is there an easy way to delete the packages? |
| 04:40.40 | redfenix | ipkg remove |
| 04:44.48 | Odrod | yes |
| 04:44.53 | Odrod | amazing what happens when you read |
| 04:45.55 | Odrod | the games however will not work |
| 04:53.45 | Odrod | now I can't sync |
| 04:53.51 | Odrod | woo hoo |
| 04:53.56 | Odrod | this is just fantastic |
| 04:54.08 | krezel[laptop] | Odrod: you sound so bitter :) |
| 04:54.25 | Odrod | heh, I've had nothing but problems since I installed OZ |
| 04:54.39 | Odrod | but i guess I have to if I want to use bluetooth |
| 04:54.48 | redfenix | ?? how so? |
| 04:55.02 | redfenix | I'm not using OZ and I've just about got it configured. |
| 04:55.24 | Odrod | well hell, the people in #zaurus on efnet told me I had to use OZ |
| 04:55.35 | redfenix | I will probably use OZ after we get Opie on the C700. |
| 04:55.55 | kergoth | Odrod: whats the problem? |
| 04:55.57 | Odrod | i can't get anything to work right since I installed it |
| 04:56.01 | redfenix | Odrod: well, perhaps I'm the one who is wrong... I still don't have blueZ set up yet. |
| 04:56.12 | Odrod | sync problems are #1 |
| 04:56.17 | kergoth | syncing works fin |
| 04:56.18 | kergoth | e |
| 04:56.27 | redfenix | kergoth: is it true that you have to use OZ to get bluetooth? |
| 04:56.50 | kergoth | nope. there are affix packages for the sharp rom as well |
| 04:57.11 | kergoth | Odrod: if syncing doesnt work, either you're using an old qtopia desktop, or its user error. |
| 04:57.21 | kergoth | period. |
| 04:57.26 | Odrod | if I could get syncing to work, and have some games to play while sittin in Botany I would be in heaven |
| 05:02.21 | Odrod | $%#&*# |
| 05:02.27 | Odrod | i'm going back to the sharp rom |
| 05:03.30 | kergoth | feel free. if you'd give me some information, i could certainly help you fix whatever your problem is. |
| 05:09.37 | redfenix | anyone have experience with bluez? |
| 05:10.26 | Odrod | kergoth My number one problem is that my Z refuses to sync when I want it to |
| 05:10.31 | Odrod | it kinda just does it when it wants |
| 05:11.22 | NeoTron | evening |
| 05:11.58 | redfenix | new |
| 05:12.01 | redfenix | er, neo |
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| 05:17.47 | redfenix | damn.. I'm close, but I can't figure it out... My bluetooth card is showing up under socket 0 in /var/lib/pcmcia/stab |
| 05:17.58 | redfenix | so, what do I need to do for the hciattach? |
| 05:18.23 | redfenix | is it already attached to a tty or do I need to do that? |
| 05:19.01 | Odrod | all i want is a game to work |
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| 05:24.09 | Odrod | haha |
| 05:24.14 | Odrod | now the Z doesn't even show up |
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| 05:30.09 | Odrod | i'm going insane |
| 05:31.50 | Odrod | if I can ever get this thing to sync I'm goin back to Sharp Rom |
| 05:38.08 | kergoth | Let me guess |
| 05:38.15 | kergoth | you yanked it from the usb bus without ejecting it in windows. |
| 05:38.21 | Odrod | no |
| 05:38.24 | kergoth | That'll cause problems with Sharp's as well. |
| 05:38.32 | Odrod | it just stopped syncing |
| 05:38.36 | Odrod | and then went away |
| 05:38.37 | kergoth | mine shows up flawlessly, every single time I plug it in. |
| 05:38.45 | Odrod | well you have the magic machine i guess |
| 05:38.57 | Odrod | I never had 1 problem until I installed OZ |
| 05:39.07 | kergoth | well, you're the first user I've heard report randomness or lack of reliability. |
| 05:39.25 | kergoth | out of the 1500-2000 individual installs |
| 05:39.30 | kergoth | (approximately) |
| 05:39.56 | Odrod | well do you not find it odd that it will sync when it wants? |
| 05:40.06 | Odrod | but I never had this problem with Sharp |
| 05:40.20 | kergoth | oh its definately odd, just never heard of this before. |
| 05:40.31 | Odrod | i'm going to reboot |
| 05:40.35 | kergoth | Not a single other report. other than the occasional user yanking it from teh bus without ejecting |
| 05:40.46 | kergoth | or the occasional usbd stack on the Z crash that results in the Z needing to reboot |
| 05:40.50 | kergoth | both of which exist with sharp as well |
| 05:41.49 | redfenix | kergoth: hey, got any ideas on how I figure out which tty a bluetooth cf card is showing up under? |
| 05:42.04 | kergoth | redfenix: checked dmesg? you using affix or blueZ? |
| 05:42.06 | mspencer | I apparently forgot how to use 'sed' to do search-and-replace. |
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| 05:42.35 | kergoth | cat /etc/mspencer|sed -e 's/forgot/heh/g;' > /etc/new && mv /etc/new /etc/mspencer |
| 05:42.40 | redfenix | blueZ |
| 05:42.41 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:42.46 | Odrod | connection still not showing up |
| 05:42.50 | mspencer | If I want to change all instances of './' (dot slash) to 'md5sum ./' do I just pipe the input file through sed -e 's/\.\//md5sum \.\//' ? |
| 05:42.51 | Odrod | fantastic |
| 05:43.11 | kergoth | Odrod: 'connection' is a meaningless term. |
| 05:43.24 | kergoth | Odrod: do you mean the Zaurus network interface doesnt appear in network connections? |
| 05:43.30 | Odrod | yes |
| 05:43.40 | kergoth | Control Panel |
| 05:43.41 | kergoth | System |
| 05:43.44 | kergoth | Device Manager |
| 05:43.51 | kergoth | find the Z with the question mark next to it |
| 05:43.53 | kergoth | uninstall it |
| 05:43.57 | kergoth | yank from the bus |
| 05:44.02 | kergoth | plug it back in |
| 05:44.14 | kergoth | this behavior only occurs if you've yanked the Z from the bus without ejecting using the icon in the systray |
| 05:44.17 | Odrod | where is in installed in device manager |
| 05:44.27 | Odrod | well kergoth I didn't do that |
| 05:44.27 | kergoth | I dont recall, I dont have a windows box handy |
| 05:44.37 | kergoth | then its just you. |
| 05:44.41 | Odrod | i guess |
| 05:44.53 | kergoth | once again, the problem is specific to your environment, or the circumstances surrounding the use of your Z. |
| 05:45.24 | Odrod | the Z is no where in my device manager |
| 05:45.50 | kergoth | and ifconfig -a on your Z shows usb0? |
| 05:46.51 | Odrod | no |
| 05:46.59 | Odrod | Link encap: Local |
| 05:47.02 | Odrod | Loopback |
| 05:47.20 | mewyn` | press the sync button on the cradle |
| 05:47.28 | kergoth | you have to run ifconfig -a _while_ the Z is in the cradle |
| 05:47.34 | kergoth | when you remove it, the interface is gone. |
| 05:47.36 | Odrod | yes |
| 05:47.37 | Odrod | I did that |
| 05:47.40 | kergoth | and hence the information is useless |
| 05:47.55 | kergoth | and lsmod shows usbdmonitor, usbdcore, net_fd, and sa1100_bi? |
| 05:48.04 | kergoth | all with non-negative usage counts? |
| 05:48.32 | mewyn` | i didnt know usage could go negative |
| 05:48.47 | redfenix | kergoth: (sorry to keep bothering you).. what am I looking for in dmesg? I'm not seeing anything that ties pcmcia to a tty |
| 05:48.56 | Odrod | kergoth shows them all |
| 05:49.51 | kergoth | redfenix: check cardctl ident, lsmod, etc |
| 05:50.09 | kergoth | mewyn`: it can, if the module gets into an unloadable state |
| 05:50.15 | kergoth | mewyn`: only way out of it is to reboot |
| 05:50.22 | mewyn` | eep |
| 05:50.25 | kergoth | mewyn`: there's a certain rare circumstance that can cause the usbd stack to get into that state |
| 05:51.20 | kergoth | I'm hoping the newer usbd stack from the SL-C700 kernel sources will not exhibit this problem. |
| 05:51.29 | redfenix | kergoth: shows up in cardctl... |
| 05:51.45 | kergoth | redfenix: are the bluez modules loaded? I've never used bluez myself,so its the blind leading the blind here :) |
| 05:51.56 | redfenix | yep... they look good to me... |
| 05:52.15 | redfenix | bluez, rfcomm, and even hci_uart for good measure |
| 05:52.47 | redfenix | how can I find what tty the card is using? |
| 05:53.13 | kergoth | how should i know? |
| 05:53.19 | kergoth | once again, i know nothing of bluez |
| 05:53.27 | kergoth | you can check /proc/devices, hoping to see the major number in question |
| 05:54.26 | redfenix | 216 rfcomm%d |
| 05:54.26 | redfenix | 253 pcmcia |
| 05:54.29 | redfenix | ?? |
| 05:54.43 | Odrod | kergoth, do you think it would be a good idea to just remove all Z programs from my pc and start over? |
| 05:54.44 | redfenix | rfcomm is part of bluez |
| 05:55.11 | kergoth | Odrod: if ifconfig -a doesnt show a usb device on your Z, something is up with your Z, or your USB bus itself on the desktop |
| 05:55.24 | Odrod | it shows a usb device |
| 05:55.25 | Odrod | I said it did |
| 05:55.28 | kergoth | Odrod: thats resulting in the Z never seeing the attachment to the bus |
| 05:55.35 | kergoth | eh? |
| 05:55.51 | kergoth | no, i asked if usb0 showed in ifconfig -a, you said no, it showed loopback |
| 05:56.05 | kergoth | if usb0 _is_ shown, then the problem could be with the desktop drivers, yes. |
| 05:56.14 | kergoth | make sure you're using the most recent ones available on zaurus.com. |
| 05:59.01 | redfenix | ahh... found it... I need the serial_cs module for the tty to show up. |
| 05:59.48 | kergoth | redfenix: hm, it should have loaded everything you needed. you may walk to ask about bluez in #handhelds.org, i know some of the folks inthere,including a couple opie devs, have experience with it |
| 06:00.02 | kergoth | redfenix: or hit up #debian or another distro chan |
| 06:01.48 | redfenix | serial_cs is apparently a pcmcia module like prism2_cs... and loaded from cardmgr |
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| 06:10.09 | Odrod | #$&* |
| 06:10.31 | do_guh_zaurus | ? |
| 06:10.56 | Odrod | still won't work |
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| 06:12.53 | do_guh_zaurus | hello |
| 06:12.58 | Odrod | hi |
| 06:13.49 | do_guh_zaurus | are you using a z now? |
| 06:13.54 | Odrod | well I'm trying |
| 06:13.56 | Odrod | I can't get it to work |
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| 06:16.05 | do_guh_zaurus | my irc client crashes often when i have several channels running |
| 06:17.27 | NeoTron | cool |
| 06:18.06 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/snapshot.png <-- new buttons. very nice looking. :) |
| 06:18.36 | NeoTron | compare to the PocketPC version's: http://www.mythological.com/image/PPC/3dview.jpg |
| 06:20.15 | mewyn` | what is that? |
| 06:20.21 | NeoTron | Dragon Bane 2 |
| 06:20.27 | NeoTron | Bard's tale like RPG |
| 06:20.37 | mewyn` | interesting |
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| 06:27.25 | NeoTron | it's g pretty good game |
| 06:34.54 | NeoTron | ibot zdi |
| 06:34.55 | | no idea, NeoTron |
| 06:34.57 | NeoTron | ibot zfi |
| 06:35.26 | raster | aaah poopie! |
| 06:35.37 | raster | hwo do you init sdl and not have it REQUIRE a mouse? |
| 06:44.30 | NeoTron | don't init video? :P |
| 06:45.04 | raster | but i want to display! |
| 06:45.17 | raster | but not handle mouse input! |
| 06:49.42 | kergoth | raster: what algorithm are you using in ecore's calibrator for the calibration? |
| 06:49.46 | djg | re |
| 06:50.08 | raster | kergoth: errr.... "math" |
| 06:50.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:50.20 | kergoth | bah, i'll read the cod |
| 06:50.20 | kergoth | e |
| 06:50.36 | raster | basically work out line equation -> y = mx + b |
| 06:50.40 | raster | work out m and b |
| 06:50.52 | raster | (based on 1:1 calibration is b = 0, m = 255) |
| 06:51.03 | raster | and then adjust from there to make sure the points end up where they should be |
| 06:51.14 | kergoth | ah, makess sense |
| 06:52.25 | hardwire | *yawn* |
| 06:53.21 | kergoth | hey hardwire |
| 06:53.44 | mspencer | wow... mount -o remount,rw / -- that seemed to work, but is it asking for trouble? ^__^ |
| 06:55.57 | hardwire | werd up kergoth |
| 06:58.32 | hardwire | wither that or a copy on write layer for read only filesystems |
| 07:02.04 | NeoTron | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 07:02.04 | NeoTron | Cannot access memory at address 0x0 |
| 07:02.04 | NeoTron | (gdb) bt |
| 07:02.04 | NeoTron | Cannot access memory at address 0x0 |
| 07:02.05 | NeoTron | gah! |
| 07:02.07 | NeoTron | wtf |
| 07:02.37 | NeoTron | nice fricking error. :( |
| 07:03.17 | redfenix | kergoth: well, I've downloaded the pcmcia-cs source and I'm going to work on cross-compiling it tomorrow. |
| 07:03.44 | fishy | neotron, what app? |
| 07:03.46 | kergoth | redfenix: what are you buliding pcmcia-cs for again? |
| 07:03.58 | NeoTron | dragon bane 2 |
| 07:04.01 | redfenix | I am missing serial_cs.o |
| 07:04.04 | NeoTron | doesn't crash on the desktop.. |
| 07:04.25 | redfenix | redfenix: is it already cross-compiled for 2.4.18-rmk7? |
| 07:05.19 | kergoth | redfenix: what unit is this? c700? b500? |
| 07:05.30 | redfenix | kergoth: c700 |
| 07:05.33 | kergoth | kergoth@clarson:~/oz/collie/build/ecore/src/bin$ cat ../../../../packages/kernel-c700/corgi|grep SERIAL_CS |
| 07:05.36 | kergoth | CONFIG_PCMCIA_SERIAL_CS=y |
| 07:05.40 | kergoth | its compiled into the kernel monolithically. |
| 07:05.41 | kergoth | you dont need a module |
| 07:06.11 | redfenix | kergoth: I'm not using OZ yet... remember? |
| 07:06.16 | kergoth | redfenix: irrelevent. |
| 07:06.26 | kergoth | redfenix: I'm using a slightly altered _sharp_ kernel configuration |
| 07:06.46 | NeoTron | ah |
| 07:06.46 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 07:06.57 | redfenix | kergoth: so I don't need to install the module? |
| 07:06.59 | NeoTron | I have localized the place where it breaks |
| 07:07.02 | fishy | c700 ugh |
| 07:07.48 | kergoth | redfenix: as i said, support for it was built into the kernel |
| 07:07.54 | kergoth | fishy: ? |
| 07:08.06 | fishy | :P |
| 07:08.29 | fishy | im trying to decide between c700 and sl5600 |
| 07:09.06 | hardwire | kergoth: http://mhonarc.axis.se/jffs-dev/msg00934.html |
| 07:09.08 | hardwire | seen that? |
| 07:09.11 | mspencer | I have a c700 and am rather friendly about people asking questions -- is there anything you'd like to know? |
| 07:09.58 | redfenix | kergoth: somehow, I'm supposed to be able to get the tty for the card using serial_cs... |
| 07:09.59 | kergoth | hardwire: yep |
| 07:10.10 | hardwire | anybody successfully used it? |
| 07:10.12 | kergoth | redfenix: then you should be able to access the tty. |
| 07:10.27 | redfenix | kergoth: exactly... but how do I get the tty number? |
| 07:10.48 | fishy | mspencer: is a model like c700 gonna come out in america? |
| 07:10.54 | fishy | with 640x480 screen |
| 07:11.00 | kergoth | fishy: no one here has any idea. only sharp knows. |
| 07:11.12 | kergoth | you've asked that before, adn its a pointless question. deal withi t. |
| 07:11.19 | fishy | you didnt know |
| 07:11.24 | kergoth | yes, and only sharp will. |
| 07:11.24 | fishy | someone elese might ;) |
| 07:11.29 | NeoTron | wtf |
| 07:11.44 | redfenix | kergoth: my question was pointless? |
| 07:11.46 | kergoth | fishy: its sharps product. only sharp has any idea with regard to future units. |
| 07:11.55 | kergoth | redfenix: no, fishy's question |
| 07:11.58 | redfenix | ok |
| 07:12.08 | fishy | most companys announce there products |
| 07:12.13 | fishy | before they come out |
| 07:12.17 | kergoth | fishy: have you seen an announcement? |
| 07:12.23 | kergoth | fishy: NEITHER HAVE WE |
| 07:12.28 | fishy | hmm |
| 07:12.35 | fishy | that answers my question |
| 07:12.38 | gaurdian | greets kergoth , how gos it |
| 07:12.38 | kergoth | you'll see what we call a fucking press release. |
| 07:12.39 | fishy | sl5600 it is... |
| 07:12.44 | gaurdian | goes even |
| 07:12.47 | kergoth | if you do not see a press release, they have not announced it. |
| 07:13.01 | fishy | kergoth, ya never know |
| 07:13.02 | kergoth | the fact that tehy ahve not announced it does NOT MEAN they are not coming out with one in the US |
| 07:13.10 | NeoTron | this is so odd |
| 07:13.14 | kergoth | it simply means they havent announced it. |
| 07:13.16 | fishy | someone from sharp might be in here :P |
| 07:13.26 | NeoTron | my ui-generated files semes to crash the fuck on the arm device |
| 07:13.26 | kergoth | fishy: i dont see benmeyer or spencer around |
| 07:13.28 | NeoTron | but not on the desktop |
| 07:13.29 | mspencer | I don't think we should get mad at people who ask that question... |
| 07:13.33 | kergoth | fishy: they're the only sharp employees in here. |
| 07:13.52 | fishy | ya |
| 07:14.13 | kergoth | well you've been asking fucking everybody andt heir brother all week |
| 07:14.20 | kergoth | and its starting to get on my nerves. |
| 07:14.50 | mspencer | it's OK fishy... |
| 07:15.06 | fishy | heh |
| 07:15.30 | fishy | :P |
| 07:15.37 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.51 | redfenix | kergoth: how do I see log messages when the cf card gets inserted? /var/log/messages isn't there, even after doing syslog start |
| 07:15.52 | NeoTron | setSizePolicy,such as that, seems to crash on qtopia |
| 07:15.56 | NeoTron | wtf is up with that? |
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| 07:16.12 | kergoth | redfenix: you're using a sharp rom, i wouldnt know |
| 07:16.24 | fishy | redfenix, 1 sec |
| 07:16.26 | kergoth | redfenix: could be they're using the busybox syslog 64k shared memory buffer, the way oz does |
| 07:16.28 | mspencer | sometimes company employees leak information before the company officially decides to release it. |
| 07:16.31 | kergoth | redfenix: in which case, run 'logread' |
| 07:16.33 | mspencer | Sometimes company employees get fired. |
| 07:16.43 | kergoth | mspencer: yes, and said employees arent in here. |
| 07:16.49 | redfenix | # logread |
| 07:16.49 | redfenix | bash: logread: command not found |
| 07:16.54 | redfenix | hmm |
| 07:16.59 | kergoth | redfenix: welp, that theory's out then.. |
| 07:17.00 | mspencer | kergoth: I'm sure fishy thanks you for that info :) |
| 07:17.05 | redfenix | is opie ready on c700 yet? pleeeeease? ;) |
| 07:17.19 | kergoth | ~lart redfenix |
| 07:17.33 | redfenix | um.... ouch. |
| 07:19.10 | NeoTron | gngngg |
| 07:19.12 | krezel[laptop] | kergoth: I'm surprised people dont learn faster :) |
| 07:19.13 | NeoTron | :( |
| 07:19.22 | redfenix | kergoth: busybox is on there.. is it easy to set up the syslog on it? |
| 07:19.38 | kergoth | redfenix: if they didnt enable the syslog applet, you dont use the syslog applet. |
| 07:19.43 | kergoth | redfenix: these are compile time selections. |
| 07:19.46 | redfenix | oh... wait... "Currently defined functions: ... syslogd ..." |
| 07:19.50 | kergoth | right |
| 07:19.56 | redfenix | hrm... wonder where the hell it's going. |
| 07:19.58 | kergoth | busybox can list its available applets |
| 07:20.03 | kergoth | try |
| 07:20.06 | kergoth | killall syslogd |
| 07:20.08 | kergoth | syslogd -C |
| 07:20.18 | kergoth | bah, nevermind |
| 07:20.22 | kergoth | without logread that doesnt do you much good :) |
| 07:22.02 | fishy | redfenix, is there a /var/log/messages ? |
| 07:22.09 | redfenix | fishy: nope. |
| 07:22.10 | fishy | oops |
| 07:22.17 | fishy | I mean /var/log/syslog |
| 07:22.18 | fishy | ? |
| 07:22.35 | redfenix | # ls /var/log/ |
| 07:22.35 | redfenix | dmesg wtmp |
| 07:22.38 | redfenix | that's all |
| 07:22.48 | fishy | :/ |
| 07:23.01 | redfenix | hey... the log message I'm looking for is in kern.*, right? |
| 07:24.29 | redfenix | aha! /etc/syslog.conf, uncommented line |
| 07:24.40 | fishy | :) |
| 07:24.52 | redfenix | and then /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog restart |
| 07:25.11 | fishy | or killall -HUP syslogd |
| 07:25.15 | fishy | i think |
| 07:25.17 | fishy | :/ |
| 07:25.22 | redfenix | yeah... same diff really |
| 07:25.29 | fishy | ya |
| 07:25.30 | redfenix | okay, I feel dumb. |
| 07:25.33 | redfenix | =P |
| 07:26.28 | kergoth | opie's calibrator collects 4 points. |
| 07:26.37 | kergoth | qt's calibration calculattions use _TWO_ of them |
| 07:26.38 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 07:26.49 | kergoth | why waste my time collecting points that arent even used :) |
| 07:26.56 | fishy | palm gets 3 |
| 07:27.01 | fishy | i think |
| 07:27.13 | kergoth | I suppose its checking to see if the rotation is more than the algorithm can handle sanely |
| 07:27.13 | fishy | screwit I need to work |
| 07:27.17 | kergoth | but still |
| 07:27.27 | kergoth | would you rather be in opie with a weird calibration |
| 07:27.36 | kergoth | or stuck chasing that crosshair around in circles indefinately? |
| 07:27.40 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 07:38.02 | ageek_Z | is there a version of gcc that will run on the SL-5500? |
| 07:38.12 | hardwire | heh |
| 07:38.22 | hardwire | now thats cool |
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| 07:46.11 | gaurdian | vnc server is nice on the Z :) |
| 07:46.50 | gaurdian | kinda a novelty, no real use, but nice |
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| 07:51.11 | fishy | ya |
| 07:51.29 | gaurdian | well, does make configureing the Z nice :) |
| 07:52.17 | fishy | :) |
| 07:52.20 | fishy | ssh :) |
| 07:53.08 | redfenix | kergoth: well, I'm going to bed... looks like I have to cross-compile bt950_cs =/ |
| 07:53.37 | kergoth | redfenix: ah |
| 07:53.39 | gaurdian | kinda hard to use the gui in ssh :) |
| 07:53.49 | kergoth | gaurdian: I actually use VNC for PIM purposes. |
| 07:54.01 | redfenix | kergoth: got the source... just need to compile it I guess. |
| 07:54.03 | kergoth | gaurdian: dont use qtopia destkop or any other desktop pim app, so i just vnc into my Z and use it directly |
| 07:54.31 | gaurdian | ahh, I am useing it to configure tab manager.... |
| 07:54.43 | kergoth | yeah, its handy having the full keyboard for input |
| 07:55.06 | redfenix | kergoth: got any pointers for cross-compiling kernel stuff? |
| 07:55.39 | fishy | is there an AIM app for Z? |
| 07:55.52 | redfenix | kergoth: or would it be better to compile it on the Z directly? |
| 07:55.58 | gaurdian | yea it is...this will make a nice configuration app |
| 07:56.01 | kergoth | redfenix: dunno, I never compile anyting on the Z directly |
| 07:56.22 | kergoth | redfenix: we already have teh bluez tools in the OZ buildsystem, adding the modules as well would be pretty easy |
| 07:56.25 | kergoth | brb |
| 07:56.35 | fishy | dont things perform better if you compile them locally? |
| 07:56.43 | fishy | or is that just fot desktops? |
| 07:56.57 | kergoth | um, no. and that isnt really correct for desktops either. |
| 07:57.04 | redfenix | fishy: shouldn't matter, as long as you have the setup right. |
| 07:57.10 | kergoth | your optimization flags on the compile line determine everything. |
| 07:57.18 | fishy | i see |
| 07:57.33 | redfenix | fishy: it's just _easier_ locally, because all the options are set already. |
| 07:57.40 | fishy | ohh |
| 07:57.52 | fishy | that makes sense |
| 07:57.52 | redfenix | fishy: and all your include/libs are in the right place. |
| 07:58.17 | gaurdian | plus I would think compilation on the Z would take a LONG time |
| 07:58.28 | kergoth | yep, native is very slow |
| 07:58.34 | redfenix | but... honestly.. on a platform that wasn't really meant to be compiled on (e.g. zaurus). you don't have the options set anyway. |
| 07:58.43 | kergoth | try compiling qt on the skiffs or ipaq cluster sometime |
| 07:58.45 | kergoth | ;) |
| 07:59.07 | fishy | I would |
| 07:59.11 | fishy | :P |
| 07:59.16 | fishy | if I had an ipaq |
| 07:59.23 | redfenix | well, gnite. |
| 07:59.23 | kergoth | uh |
| 07:59.27 | redfenix | it's way too late. |
| 07:59.27 | kergoth | ipaq4.handhelds.org |
| 07:59.30 | kergoth | etc |
| 07:59.34 | kergoth | ibot: skiffcluster |
| 07:59.35 | | well, skiffcluster is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 08:00.00 | kergoth | fishy: telnet ipaq3.handhelds.org .. l: guest .. handhelds.org has both an ipaq cluster and a skiff cluster setup |
| 08:02.09 | gaurdian | is that a ipaq at the recieving end of that telnet ? |
| 08:02.15 | kergoth | yes |
| 08:02.24 | kergoth | like i said, they have a set of ipaqs, and of skiffs |
| 08:02.37 | kergoth | people often use them for native compilation |
| 08:02.46 | kergoth | though i still avoid it, due to how long it takes |
| 08:03.00 | gaurdian | how would you get what you compiled down to your system ? |
| 08:03.31 | fishy | 03:03:23 up 7 days, 19:31, 5 users, load average: 0.31, 0.13, 0.04 |
| 08:03.32 | fishy | nice :) |
| 08:05.01 | gaurdian | will a bin from there work on the Z ? |
| 08:05.17 | fishy | probally |
| 08:05.20 | fishy | there both ARM |
| 08:05.28 | fishy | unless your using C700 |
| 08:05.44 | fishy | but you know that ;) |
| 08:05.58 | gaurdian | kergoth ? would it be possible ? |
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| 08:07.48 | gaurdian | I am tempted to try |
| 08:09.05 | gaurdian | I cant ftp to it...hmm |
| 08:10.03 | fishy | scp |
| 08:10.21 | gaurdian | there are other ways :) |
| 08:17.34 | gaurdian | yup. it works |
| 08:17.40 | hardwire | this is fun |
| 08:17.41 | hardwire | :) |
| 08:17.44 | hardwire | compressing CF :) |
| 08:17.48 | hardwire | rooomy |
| 08:18.05 | gaurdian | compressing it ? |
| 08:18.39 | hardwire | with my hammer |
| 08:19.10 | mspencer | percussive maintenance |
| 08:19.14 | hardwire | si |
| 08:22.45 | gaurdian | sweet...ncftp |
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| 08:40.47 | gaurdian | how do I tell the Z there are libs in aneother path ? like /mnt/card/lib ? |
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| 09:38.03 | NeoTron | http://forum.sorobangeeks.com/viewtopic.php?t=1828 6 GB compact flash anyone? |
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| 10:09.26 | mark|sleep | NeoTron: jees, thats insane |
| 10:14.51 | noidd | ugh |
| 10:15.05 | noidd | a rat has crawlen into my mouth last night and died :-P |
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| 11:07.57 | rastakid | ibot, seen Jrz? |
| 11:08.01 | | rastakid: i haven't seen 'jrz' |
| 11:09.04 | rastakid | Does anyone know where Jrz did go? His real names is Joris Verschoor, he's the owner of Insomniq.com. I've seen him the last time a couple of weeks ago :-/ |
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| 13:18.44 | dmalloc | hello. is it normal not to have an usbd0 when the zaurus is not on the cradle ? |
| 13:18.58 | dmalloc | somethings is very scrwed up since I came home from work |
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| 13:19.31 | dmalloc | a) on linux and windows 2000 and Mac os X the usb cradle connection is no longer recoginized b) the zaurus itself does not show a usbd0 device in ifconfig-a ideas ? |
| 13:21.33 | dmalloc | and even when it is on the cradle the device is not shown. something broken? cradle maybe? |
| 13:33.08 | dmalloc | hrmm something about ifstate |
| 13:33.36 | dmalloc | is there a way to check if the cradle is defective? |
| 13:35.08 | dmalloc | *sigh* |
| 13:35.22 | dmalloc | I shoudl just sell this piece of crap (sorry) |
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| 15:20.39 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:21.03 | chouimat | ibot: calm down |
| 15:21.04 | | chouimat: i haven't a clue |
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| 15:22.52 | icefox | minipanda: you probably should login as a user |
| 15:23.18 | chouimat | icefox: let him be hacked if he wants |
| 15:25.15 | minipanda | sorry! but how can login? i want to buy a PDA, or GBA and run something like linux myself! so i grep the freenode server to find a channel! BTW: if this channel is privite, i will quit soon :-) |
| 15:26.24 | minipanda | icefox , chouimat : sorry i do not want to offence some body here, i'm just a newbie, looking for suggestions |
| 15:26.50 | icefox | this channel isn't private |
| 15:26.52 | icefox | Are you on the z? |
| 15:28.19 | minipanda | i'm not very clear about "on the Z"'s mean! i have no PDA now, but i just wonder which one is more better for me to learn embeded develop skills :-) |
| 15:29.05 | icefox | there is really only 1 at this time |
| 15:29.08 | icefox | the Zaurus |
| 15:29.11 | icefox | www.sharpsec.com |
| 15:29.54 | minipanda | and i find out the annoument here "$229" for a developer , so i'm very intereting , can i buy it $229? i live in Beijing China |
| 15:30.23 | icefox | hmmm I don't know |
| 15:30.31 | icefox | You can try calling the phone number and seeing |
| 15:30.42 | chouimat | minipanda: better order from japan |
| 15:31.36 | minipanda | ok., i will visit that website first, hehe, maybe order from japan is expensive than $229. :-) BTW: is that $229 version including cross complier or others developing tools? |
| 15:32.11 | icefox | nope, those are free and you can download them now if you wish |
| 15:32.14 | icefox | docs.zaurus.com |
| 15:33.22 | minipanda | oh? including function emulator? maybe i should try running that on my PC first, if develope on this platform is easy for newbies then i will buy it. :-) |
| 15:34.20 | icefox | nope there is no emulator for the zaurus, only native |
| 15:34.33 | icefox | it will nativly run on a linux box |
| 15:36.27 | minipanda | OH, linux , my chioce! so, i will buy it if linux running on it! sorry! but i still want to know some basic information about it ? with a X-win GUI? MIPS ARM PPC or ? in it? |
| 15:36.54 | chouimat | minipanda: Strongarm Qtopia |
| 15:39.20 | minipanda | just like nintendo's GBA? some of my friend suggest that one to me! they told me functional simulator and crosstools for it are very popular and easy for newbies, so what's your opinion? |
| 15:39.48 | chouimat | minipanda: not quite like the gba, the gba use a arm7tdmi |
| 15:41.52 | minipanda | so which one is more powerful or popular? |
| 15:44.58 | minipanda | ok, thanks icefox and chouimat! next time if i meet some problems in my porting! i will come here to ask! maybe i'm not suitable to stay here now! bye-bye |
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| 15:59.47 | mr_science | hey chouimat |
| 16:00.00 | chouimat | mr_science: hi |
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| 16:22.21 | Zarchon | Anyone have a favorite CF memory card? |
| 16:23.37 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:23.39 | Zarchon | join #handhelds.org |
| 16:23.46 | Zarchon | hehe typo |
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| 16:26.45 | mark | boo kergoth |
| 16:26.51 | mark | kergoth: sleep well? |
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| 16:30.15 | warmi | hi |
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| 16:43.13 | mark | hi warmi |
| 16:43.28 | chouimat | hi warmi, mark |
| 16:43.46 | mark | warmi: ordered a c700 yet? |
| 16:44.25 | warmi | mark: no ... I won't be ordering any time soon |
| 16:44.38 | warmi | actually I will be ordering AXim PPC device |
| 16:44.45 | warmi | and then I will put Linux/OE on my ipaq |
| 16:46.07 | mark | warmi: ah i see. yeh those axim's look darn good value |
| 16:46.29 | warmi | yeah, Neo got one recently |
| 16:46.45 | warmi | I need at least one working PPC device to support stuff I make for that OS |
| 16:47.04 | warmi | and , I want to keep up with OE so I need one device for that as well ( ipaq will do fine) |
| 16:50.46 | NeoTron | they are indeed nice |
| 16:50.53 | NeoTron | not amazingly fast though.. |
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| 16:54.06 | warmi | NeoTron: how does it compare to say 5500 ? |
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| 18:01.12 | Neo|Work | warmi: hard to say, not the same OS... |
| 18:01.34 | Neo|Work | I mean, UI/launch time speedwise it kicks any opie/qtopia devices butt |
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| 18:21.50 | sukoshi | hi |
| 18:22.49 | kergoth | hey sukoshi |
| 18:23.14 | Wintre | sukoshi |
| 18:23.22 | Wintre | Didn't I give you a pancake's recipe recently? |
| 18:23.38 | Wintre | kergoth: Konq/E is pretty nice indeed. Too bad my wireless card stops working at random points... |
| 18:23.47 | kergoth | odd |
| 18:24.12 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:24.35 | kergoth | well, its a darn good thing we zero'd that badness |
| 18:24.43 | Wintre | Heh |
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| 18:29.16 | Wintre | re |
| 18:33.07 | sukoshi | Wintre: yes ! i didn't have time to try |
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| 18:33.24 | Wintre | sukoshi: Ah, too bad ;) |
| 18:33.42 | kergoth | mmm pancakes |
| 18:34.52 | Zarchon | ibot CF wireless |
| 18:34.53 | | Zarchon: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:34.58 | Zarchon | ibot wireless |
| 18:35.02 | | somebody said wireless was The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
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| 18:36.31 | Wintre | Does anybody else have an SMC EZ Connect? |
| 18:38.06 | icefox | yah i think so |
| 18:38.11 | icefox | cf? |
| 18:39.02 | Wintre | Yeah, it's the SMC2642W |
| 18:40.50 | icefox | yup, nice card |
| 18:40.57 | Wintre | Mine stops working for some reason |
| 18:41.00 | icefox | oh? |
| 18:41.06 | icefox | try lteting it cool down |
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| 18:41.09 | icefox | or the z |
| 18:41.12 | WhiteHat | hi |
| 18:41.16 | Wintre | Now that's something I never considered. |
| 18:41.36 | icefox | some of the prizm2 chips overheat I noticed |
| 18:41.44 | icefox | rare, but can't hurt |
| 18:42.28 | icefox | but there are plenty of technical things to check too |
| 18:42.32 | icefox | ap |
| 18:42.37 | icefox | other radio waves |
| 18:42.38 | icefox | etc |
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| 18:44.13 | Wintre | Simply unplugging it and plugging it back in seems to be sufficient for it to work again |
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| 18:44.52 | Wintre | It might be our AP, I suppose - it's never given us problems before, but it's an old Lucent AP |
| 18:48.23 | icefox | oh, I thought you ment it wasn't work at all |
| 18:48.40 | Wintre | No, it works fine for a while. Then stops. |
| 18:49.01 | Wintre | I have a cheap-ass CNet AP at home; it works fine without the SMC without WEP |
| 18:49.12 | Wintre | But an Orinoco silver card works fine with that AP with WEP |
| 18:49.20 | Wintre | The lovely world of 802.11b interoperability ;) |
| 18:49.25 | WhiteHat | ahm... I installed OZ. I became almost out of space |
| 18:49.35 | WhiteHat | internal storage I mean |
| 18:49.58 | kergoth | WhiteHat: use the ramdisk. |
| 18:50.00 | kergoth | WhiteHat: adn read the howtos. |
| 18:50.10 | WhiteHat | kergoth: :] |
| 18:50.12 | kergoth | WhiteHat: sharp defaults installing to RAM. OZ defaults installing to flash. |
| 18:50.21 | WhiteHat | ok. thanks |
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| 18:55.16 | Zarchon | ibot memory |
| 18:55.17 | | rumour has it, memory is Chips in a computer that remember data. Also commonly referred to as RAM. |
| 18:55.22 | Zarchon | ibot CF ram |
| 18:55.23 | | Zarchon: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:55.42 | Zarchon | ibot Edge RAM |
| 18:55.43 | | Zarchon: are you using Windows? |
| 18:55.46 | Zarchon | sigh |
| 19:01.58 | sukoshi_ | ibot zaurus |
| 19:01.58 | | somebody said zaurus was at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of ibot's hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 19:03.36 | icefox | in the header if you have bool foo:true will that initialize foo to bool by default? |
| 19:03.48 | icefox | to TRUE by default |
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| 19:45.48 | yeiazel | ^^ |
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| 19:55.38 | mewyn` | hehe |
| 19:55.50 | mewyn` | the liberal arts department is abreviated lart at my school :) |
| 19:55.56 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:58.44 | mewyn` | ~lart lart dept |
| 20:04.14 | HCl | hm |
| 20:04.21 | HCl | raceme[away]: never mind... i think i found out |
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| 20:33.21 | nofpu | hmmm, computers |
| 20:34.25 | Twiun | hey |
| 20:34.46 | nofpu | hey |
| 20:36.32 | Twiun | talking of computers... I'm looking at this for a server... comments? http://www.mini-itx.com/store/default.asp?c=15 |
| 20:36.41 | Twiun | the 800mhz boxen |
| 20:38.16 | nofpu | my workmate has the lower power one running fanless iirc |
| 20:38.24 | icefox | How much is 133 is us $? |
| 20:38.43 | Twiun | ibot: change 133 GBP to USD |
| 20:38.54 | icefox | I have one of them. Very nice |
| 20:39.25 | icefox | bought it second hand off ebay with hd, mem, cpu, dvd, floppy, and 3dfx card (tossed in) for $300. |
| 20:39.43 | Twiun | that's a neat bundle |
| 20:40.31 | icefox | yah, it is now my server. :) The C3 uses about as much power as the Z most of the time |
| 20:41.18 | Twiun | lol |
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| 20:43.30 | tboc | hi |
| 20:44.06 | Twiun | hey |
| 20:44.16 | tboc | is it safe to upgrade from OZ3.1rc2 to the unstable feed? |
| 20:44.31 | kergoth | tboc: if you mean will your Z explode? probably not |
| 20:44.32 | tboc | the last time i tried the wox one and i had to reflash the Z =) |
| 20:44.47 | nofpu | £125 isnt so bad |
| 20:45.24 | tboc | kergoth: i just don't want ipkg to delete some files ;) |
| 20:47.07 | Twiun | nofpu: I agree |
| 20:50.23 | tboc | btw. if i try to upgrade some packages i get: "failed: Illegal seek." what does that mean? |
| 20:50.28 | kergoth | harmless |
| 20:53.15 | tboc | k, but this package won't be configured? |
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| 20:59.11 | tboc | "73.6PU jffs2_gcd_mtd4" wth is this? |
| 21:01.53 | nofpu | Twiun: get one get one :) |
| 21:02.45 | Twiun | nofpu: I'm sorely tempted :) |
| 21:04.49 | krezel | get what? |
| 21:06.03 | Twiun | krezel: http://www.mini-itx.com/store/default.asp?c=15 |
| 21:06.22 | Twiun | nofpu: add a PCI Geforce4 and a dvd drive and you've got a usable dvd player too |
| 21:08.00 | Twiun | nofpu: scratch the geforce4 |
| 21:08.07 | Twiun | nofpu: the onboard can do tv-out :) |
| 21:08.16 | nofpu | yeah I thought so |
| 21:09.06 | nofpu | even better ;) |
| 21:09.22 | nofpu | can the 666MHz run with no fan? |
| 21:10.27 | treke | tboc, that's why you should alwas back up before upgrading |
| 21:12.01 | tboc | treke: of course i did =) |
| 21:12.14 | tboc | treke: but its annoying to reflash the Z several times a day :) |
| 21:12.18 | Twiun | nofpu: the 533mhz says fanless, so... |
| 21:12.31 | Twiun | nofpu: mind you, that's the mb... the psu seems to still require a fan |
| 21:12.58 | tboc | Twiun: i wonder if 533mhz is enough for DVD playback |
| 21:14.09 | Twiun | tboc: me too, that's why I slotted the 800mhz first... it's only £4 dearer (ex VAT of course) |
| 21:14.54 | tboc | Twiun: i heard that the eden-cpus ain't that good at floating point |
| 21:15.20 | krezel | Twiun: want to buy me one too? |
| 21:16.26 | nofpu | me too |
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| 21:17.04 | krezel | I need a new laptop or desktop first :-\ |
| 21:18.18 | Twiun | tboc: hmmm, that's a valid point, I need more data :) |
| 21:22.46 | krezel | Hmmm do I want: http://www.apple.com/powerbook/index12.html |
| 21:22.59 | krezel | Or: http://d02xms016.southbury.ibm.com/ibm_us/ConfigFrames2.jsp?brand=ThinkPad&cntry=840&lang=en_US&shoptype=D&shop=IBMPublicUSA&shoplogo=&shopname=US+IBM&masthead_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww-132.ibm.com%2Fwebapp%2Fwcs%2Fstores%2Fservlet%2FeCIMMastheadDisplay%3FcatalogId%3D-840%26langId%3D-1%26storeId%3D1%26dualCurrId%3D73&base=26724HU&return_url=http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/AddConfig%3FaddToCart%3DY%26catalogId%3D-840%26storeId%3D1 |
| 21:22.59 | krezel | %26langId%3D-1%26oiId%3Dnull%26dualCurrId%3D73%26URL%3D%2Fwebapp%2Fwcs%2Fstores%2Fservlet%2FOrderItemDisplay&cntrfnbr=1&session_id=654086825 |
| 21:23.01 | krezel | yow |
| 21:23.02 | krezel | long link |
| 21:23.22 | tboc | any idea why vnc works from zaurus->pc but i can't get the Z to recognize the mouseclicks? |
| 21:23.48 | treke | where is the server running |
| 21:23.53 | treke | on the zaurus or on the pc? |
| 21:23.55 | tboc | zaurus |
| 21:24.09 | treke | ah. nmp :) |
| 21:24.13 | tboc | ? |
| 21:24.15 | Leaves | treke: I had the same problem.. until I realized I didn't installed the zlib package :) |
| 21:24.32 | treke | tboc: not my problem :) |
| 21:24.39 | tboc | =) |
| 21:24.40 | Leaves | treke: just checking :) |
| 21:25.05 | treke | I could help you if it was a bug in keypebble :) |
| 21:25.43 | tboc | :] |
| 21:26.40 | tboc | i just have to start the vncserver on the zaurus and connect via xvncviewer or something from my pc, right? |
| 21:35.27 | *** join/#zaurus Speedy2 (johnny@max-fw-156.dallas.net) |
| 21:35.29 | Speedy2 | Hey all. |
| 21:35.41 | Speedy2 | Been awhile. |
| 21:35.45 | kergoth | Speedy2! ltns man |
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| 21:35.47 | kergoth | how ya been? |
| 21:36.12 | krezel | I need to stop drooling over Powerbooks |
| 21:36.24 | Speedy2 | I've been OK. |
| 21:36.26 | Speedy2 | How about you? |
| 21:36.32 | Speedy2 | Did you ever buy a laptop? |
| 21:37.16 | kergoth | not bad, busy as hell as always |
| 21:38.39 | Speedy2 | Work is OK? |
| 21:38.48 | Speedy2 | What's new in the Zaurus world? Lots of developments and changes? |
| 21:38.54 | kergoth | work sucks as always, but at least its consistent |
| 21:39.01 | kergoth | sharp is leaving the consumer market, going enterprise all the way |
| 21:39.13 | kergoth | everybody's drooling over the SL-C700 japanese unit |
| 21:39.31 | icefox | pwif |
| 21:39.39 | Speedy2 | Leaving the consumer market? |
| 21:39.44 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:39.46 | Speedy2 | So people with 5500s and such are "screwed" ? |
| 21:40.00 | kergoth | not really |
| 21:40.07 | kergoth | but I suspect before long OZ/OE will be the only upgrade path |
| 21:40.24 | Speedy2 | Lets hope they give out all the important/relevant information when it happens |
| 21:40.42 | Speedy2 | What's so great about the SL-C700? |
| 21:40.49 | kergoth | ibot: c700 |
| 21:40.50 | | from memory, c700 is http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus2003/, or http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/ |
| 21:40.55 | kergoth | Speedy2: clamshell unit, 640x480 amazing lcd |
| 21:41.00 | kergoth | Speedy2: smooth formfactor |
| 21:41.11 | kergoth | Speedy2: its B stepping xscale though, so performance .. isnt what it could be |
| 21:41.21 | Speedy2 | Heh |
| 21:42.08 | kergoth | still a very smooth unit overall |
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| 21:42.59 | kergoth | Speedy2: 2.4.19 for the Z is basically ready to roll, butteh binary only SD driver isnt usable |
| 21:43.01 | sukoshi_ | so it still worth to buy bought |
| 21:43.07 | kergoth | Speedy2: due to linux kernel block device driver changes |
| 21:43.18 | Speedy2 | Hrm |
| 21:43.25 | Speedy2 | It looks kind of bulky |
| 21:43.31 | kergoth | Speedy2: um |
| 21:43.33 | Speedy2 | And they didn't do dual-CF...what a pity |
| 21:43.58 | kergoth | Speedy2: its shorter than the 5500, slightly wider, nearly the same thickness |
| 21:44.02 | sukoshi_ | dual cf? you mean put 2 cf? |
| 21:44.06 | kergoth | Speedy2: decidedly not bulky |
| 21:44.50 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Wow, I guess it's not that bulky then :) |
| 21:44.54 | Speedy2 | What kind of battery life? |
| 21:45.01 | sukoshi_ | 4h50 |
| 21:45.12 | kergoth | around 4 hours of regular use. depends on what you're doing |
| 21:45.32 | kergoth | now you can use a b500 battery in this, but cant get teh battery cover back on :) |
| 21:45.32 | Speedy2 | I guess they put a bigger battery there. |
| 21:45.35 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:45.42 | kergoth | the b500 battery is like 1800maH or something |
| 21:45.48 | kergoth | existing is 900, same as 5500 |
| 21:45.49 | sukoshi_ | 1700 |
| 21:45.53 | sukoshi_ | 18h :) |
| 21:45.58 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:46.13 | Speedy2 | 900mAh...sux |
| 21:46.16 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:46.37 | kergoth | Speedy2: my new project: http://openembedded.org/ |
| 21:47.05 | stevek | ibot bluetooth |
| 21:47.06 | | bluetooth is, like, at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Is%20anyone%20working%20on%20Bluetooth%20for%203870 or at http://dnsv6.iihe.ac.be/iPAQGPRSv6/BtConfig.html .. and you might wanna take a look at http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-Mobile-Phone |
| 21:47.20 | Speedy2 | I take it there is still no battery monitor for the Z? |
| 21:47.26 | kergoth | Speedy2: OZ has accurate battery % |
| 21:47.34 | kergoth | Speedy2: within +=4%, approximately |
| 21:47.38 | kergoth | even on our 2.4.6 builds |
| 21:47.41 | Speedy2 | Really? |
| 21:47.44 | Speedy2 | How does it work? |
| 21:47.45 | kergoth | oh, we have a real DSP device for the buzzer as well. |
| 21:47.48 | kergoth | works excellently |
| 21:48.26 | Speedy2 | How does the battery monitor work? |
| 21:48.34 | Speedy2 | (Keeping track of what's on and what's off?) |
| 21:48.56 | kergoth | just reads the current voltage and uses an interpolation function to determine % |
| 21:49.18 | kergoth | very simple, though their battery driver was needlessly complex |
| 21:49.24 | kergoth | I ended up rewriting it for 2.4.19 |
| 21:49.25 | Speedy2 | Ok...I figured something like that |
| 21:49.41 | Speedy2 | Is there a look-up table of values for the voltage/percentage left? |
| 21:51.22 | kergoth | http://linux-cl.bkbits.net:8080/linux-arm-2.4-collie/anno/drivers/misc/collie_battery.c@1.26?nav=index.html|src/|src/drivers|src/drivers/misc |
| 21:51.27 | kergoth | take a look |
| 21:52.51 | sukoshi_ | does 'have a look' is right also? |
| 21:53.26 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 21:53.30 | kergoth | Speedy2: hafl the functions in there arent even used |
| 21:53.33 | sukoshi_ | here we use to say :throw an eye :p |
| 21:53.33 | kergoth | most of the driver was useless |
| 21:53.43 | kergoth | but I do need to add checking of the backup battery |
| 21:53.56 | Speedy2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.58 | Speedy2 | kergoth 1.16 | |
| 21:53.58 | Speedy2 | kergoth 1.24 | mangle_battery_slope_table(); |
| 21:53.58 | Speedy2 | kergoth 1.24 | |
| 21:53.58 | Speedy2 | kergoth 1.9 | battery_interpolate(); |
| 21:53.58 | Speedy2 | kergoth 1.16 | |
| 21:53.59 | Speedy2 | kergoth 1.17 | DPRINTK("voltage = %d, percent = %d\n", batdev.main.voltage, batdev.main.percent); |
| 21:54.14 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:54.34 | sukoshi_ | kergoth: still the same mess for corgi / poodle? |
| 21:54.55 | kergoth | Speedy2: we average the past few values to reduce % jitter |
| 21:55.12 | Speedy2 | Right |
| 21:55.29 | Speedy2 | Or what you can do is always assume the percentage should be decreasing if you're not charging, so throw out values that increase |
| 21:55.34 | Speedy2 | decreasing or the same |
| 21:55.57 | kergoth | yeah, thats an idea. you'd only need to keep a single previous value then |
| 21:56.12 | kergoth | dietz proepper did our first interpolation code and averaging |
| 21:56.18 | kergoth | in 2.4.6 |
| 21:56.23 | kergoth | i just pulled it forward and made it readable |
| 21:57.01 | Speedy2 | Kay. I planned on doing a full profile on the battery and making a nice LUT |
| 21:57.15 | kergoth | feel free. i was thinking about stealing the battery learning code |
| 21:57.24 | Speedy2 | Battery learning code? |
| 21:57.28 | kergoth | from the h3600 ASIC battery driver in the handhelds.org driver |
| 21:57.45 | Speedy2 | The discharge profile for all batteries is pretty non-linear |
| 21:58.04 | Speedy2 | Which is why the linear interpolation, assuming a certain voltage at start and empty doesn't give a great estimate |
| 21:58.13 | Speedy2 | I know the iPaq discharge curve from memory |
| 21:58.16 | Speedy2 | It's quite non-linear too. |
| 21:58.39 | Speedy2 | S shaped, if you stretch the top-right bottom left of the s |
| 21:58.49 | Speedy2 | top-right and bottom left of the s rather |
| 21:59.19 | tboc | btw. what do i need to get my linksys wlan card working with oz3.1rc2? |
| 21:59.31 | kergoth | tboc: upgrade hostap-modules from unstable, and restart pcmcia or reboot |
| 21:59.40 | tboc | ok, thx |
| 22:00.27 | Speedy2 | kergoth: When you find that code, show me, I'm interesting in seeing in. |
| 22:00.45 | Speedy2 | kergoth: With a simple table-of-values, that battery code can be very very simplified |
| 22:00.54 | kergoth | Speedy2: its in the handhelds.org cvs tree, arch/arm/mach-sa1100/ iirc. hit up their webcvs |
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| 22:01.38 | kergoth | I still know nowhere near enough about hardware stuff :) |
| 22:01.58 | Speedy2 | Heh. |
| 22:02.21 | Speedy2 | Will just keep in mind, for the batteries, the discharge profile ideally would be flat, but in reality is curvy. |
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| 22:06.38 | frankps | re |
| 22:08.56 | Twiun | anyone thought of using usermode linux as a chroot jail? |
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| 22:12.25 | Speedy2 | Thanks Yamaha for using f'ing IIS/ASP |
| 22:18.24 | Twiun | the UML todo list is impressive :) |
| 22:18.36 | Twiun | Speedy2: what's up? |
| 22:18.49 | Speedy2 | Hi twiun |
| 22:18.56 | Speedy2 | Got back from a long trip |
| 22:19.03 | Speedy2 | How are you? |
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| 22:20.06 | Burrito | hi there |
| 22:20.44 | Twiun | Speedy2: not bad at all, things are ticking over nicely |
| 22:20.53 | Twiun | Speedy2: yourself? |
| 22:21.55 | Twiun | hey Burrito, got it working yet? |
| 22:21.55 | Twiun | Burrito: btw, netcat doesn't show the response from Qtopia here either. You're going to have to use ftp |
| 22:21.55 | Twiun | Burrito: or telnet |
| 22:22.34 | Burrito | Twiun: yes |
| 22:22.48 | Burrito | reverted to 2.37... OZ now |
| 22:22.51 | Burrito | thanks |
| 22:23.02 | Burrito | ah... netcat. ok. |
| 22:23.08 | Burrito | weird, though |
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| 22:23.19 | Burrito | now, I just lost my usbd0 interface |
| 22:23.30 | Twiun | now that's weird |
| 22:23.33 | Burrito | :) |
| 22:24.02 | Burrito | what modules should I reload...? |
| 22:24.21 | Burrito | hmm let me search in hotplug |
| 22:26.14 | Twiun | I have these loaded: |
| 22:26.16 | Twiun | sa1100_bi 45536 0 (unused) |
| 22:26.16 | Twiun | sharp_mmcsd_m 27424 2 |
| 22:26.16 | Twiun | devinfo 3168 0 (unused) |
| 22:26.16 | Twiun | net_fd 36016 1 [sa1100_bi] |
| 22:26.16 | Twiun | usbdcore 20448 0 [sa1100_bi net_fd] |
| 22:26.17 | Twiun | usbdmonitor 6112 0 |
| 22:28.19 | Twiun | tboc: review score so far... good for DVD=1, bad for DVD=1...need more input :) |
| 22:28.27 | Burrito | don't have devinfo |
| 22:28.40 | Burrito | but it's unused anyway |
| 22:28.44 | tboc | Twiun: hehe =) |
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| 22:29.30 | Burrito | ifconfig usbd0 192.168.4.1 |
| 22:29.44 | Burrito | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 22:30.35 | Burrito | hell. got to reboot it |
| 22:32.03 | Burrito | any one using office apps on OZ? |
| 22:32.34 | Burrito | is it possible to use those Handcom apps that come with Z? |
| 22:34.49 | kergoth | ibot: zsi creator |
| 22:34.56 | kergoth | Burrito: ^^ |
| 22:35.59 | Burrito | cheers kergoth |
| 22:37.25 | Burrito | grrr |
| 22:37.30 | Burrito | lost usbd0 again |
| 22:37.57 | Burrito | kergoth: oh. I saw it now ... |
| 22:38.00 | Burrito | <g> |
| 22:41.11 | sukoshi_ | Burrito: use usbnet.c |
| 22:46.54 | PorkySpine | sukoshi_: who do i use usbnet? with usbdnet, i get a usb0 device, but not with usbnet... |
| 22:47.28 | Burrito | same here |
| 22:47.44 | sukoshi_ | i use it for my b500 |
| 22:48.10 | sukoshi_ | i've used it, since i'm reinstalling linux on my main box |
| 22:48.27 | kergoth | usb0 appears and works fine here |
| 22:48.34 | kergoth | sounds like you guys didnt patch your kernels with Z support. |
| 22:48.40 | kergoth | stock usbnet does not support the zaurus. |
| 22:48.47 | PorkySpine | when you load the module, a usb0 device appears? |
| 22:49.02 | kergoth | no, when i plug my Z in, the module loads itself, adn usb0 appears and comes up |
| 22:49.10 | kergoth | the interface will _not_ exist until you're plugged int |
| 22:49.11 | kergoth | in |
| 22:50.03 | PorkySpine | ok. that is what happens with usbdnet, but it doesn't seem to work with usbnet... i'll try again... |
| 22:50.18 | kergoth | then you didnt patch your kernel with the correct patch |
| 22:50.25 | kergoth | or you forgot to blacklist CDCether or something |
| 22:50.25 | Burrito | ah |
| 22:50.27 | Burrito | right |
| 22:50.37 | PorkySpine | ah! |
| 22:50.42 | kergoth | or you didnt blacklist usbd, as if you have both usbdnet and usbnet, usbdnet will likely grab it first. |
| 22:50.46 | PorkySpine | that migth be it! |
| 22:50.49 | kergoth | s/usbd,/usbdnet,/ |
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| 22:59.31 | PorkySpine | nops... |
| 23:00.13 | PorkySpine | i have the right modules loaded, and still no usb0... |
| 23:00.47 | kergoth | then you didnt patch your kernel with the Z usbnet patch, or something else went wrong. |
| 23:01.14 | PorkySpine | usbdnet works *almost* rigth... sometimes craches my desktop... |
| 23:01.30 | kergoth | yes, usbdnet panics boxes, which is one reason why its a piece of shit. |
| 23:02.39 | sukoshi_ | and it works flawlessly |
| 23:02.54 | kergoth | some users have reported some bad behaviors with usbnet, but that were fixed by changes in uhci, not in usbnet itself |
| 23:03.26 | sukoshi_ | kergoth: do you use qtopia desktop? |
| 23:03.39 | PorkySpine | you say Z usbnet patch... is it the one that comes with the kernel or some special for Z? |
| 23:03.57 | PorkySpine | i mean, i have a usbnet module... |
| 23:04.10 | sukoshi_ | it's taken from 2.5.xx kernel |
| 23:04.14 | sukoshi_ | it's a backport |
| 23:05.28 | sukoshi_ | any C700 owner there? |
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| 23:10.07 | _Psycho | i am |
| 23:10.10 | _Psycho | why ? |
| 23:15.29 | kergoth | PorkySpine: its a seperate patch. i told you, the stock linux kernel doesnt support the Z yet. |
| 23:16.23 | PorkySpine | kergoth: ok... by the way, where do i get that? |
| 23:16.37 | PorkySpine | kergoth: sorry.. stupid question :) |
| 23:17.04 | kergoth | i dotn recall the exact locations. it was mentioned on the linux-usb-devel mailing list, you can hit the archives on marc.theaimsgroup.com |
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| 23:21.16 | PorkySpine | kergoth: must be the usb-zaurus-2.5.54.patch... thanks! |
| 23:21.24 | PorkySpine | i hope this works... |
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| 23:39.19 | krezel | any fun ideas of what one could do with a 64 meg USB key and Linux? |
| 23:39.44 | krezel | hmm |
| 23:40.41 | treke | blow them both up? |
| 23:41.27 | krezel | Hmm perfect idea |
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| 23:45.28 | PorkySpine | ok, bazk to the same stupid question... where do i get usbnet patch? wich one? |
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