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| 00:15.27 | Twiun | hey prp |
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| 01:14.18 | NeoTron | this is a first. |
| 01:14.34 | NeoTron | "can I have the Linux version of your games because I own the PocketPC ones? |
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| 01:39.19 | NeoTron | icefox: hey, you really here or is it a ghost? :P |
| 01:39.32 | icefox | I am here |
| 01:39.37 | icefox | Migrating to a new computer |
| 01:39.40 | NeoTron | ah, cool. :P |
| 01:39.46 | NeoTron | released Flip It. :P |
| 01:39.47 | icefox | building kde was taking too long on my c3 |
| 01:39.56 | icefox | so I am on and off |
| 01:39.59 | NeoTron | ah |
| 01:41.27 | icefox | Cool |
| 01:41.31 | icefox | I thought of a killer feature |
| 01:41.36 | icefox | well 2, but they are related |
| 01:41.44 | icefox | the first one is to dup the previus frame |
| 01:41.56 | icefox | the second is to have the ability ot move a frame around |
| 01:42.10 | icefox | so making animations become easier |
| 02:28.53 | Pend-Gone | don't guess anyone is going to buy c700's in bulk and sell em a bit cheaper here? |
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| 02:33.22 | icefox | Pendalar: you mean like dynism? |
| 02:34.40 | treke|home | icefox: I assume he does |
| 02:34.43 | treke|home | he did say cheaper |
| 02:35.16 | _Psycho | pendalar japan bank transfert and money conversion is the problem ussualy |
| 02:36.10 | treke|home | _Psycho: I doubt that can account for a 150 dollar price difference :) |
| 02:36.35 | _Psycho | 70$, 569$ from conics.net |
| 02:36.53 | _Psycho | japanese bank deosnt accecpt any world cerificied check except US one. |
| 02:37.02 | _Psycho | paypal take a 4% fee conversion |
| 02:37.24 | _Psycho | bank wire is the most usable thing, but you gonna trust a complete stranger and give him 500$ US ? |
| 02:37.53 | _Psycho | i ordered from conics.net |
| 02:38.01 | _Psycho | when he shipped it took 3 days from japan to canada |
| 02:38.03 | _Psycho | pretty awesome |
| 02:38.11 | _Psycho | and i LOVE my c700 |
| 02:38.29 | _Psycho | i thiink the average price in japan is 500$ for the device |
| 02:38.42 | _Psycho | so 570 + 18 shipping is not too bad |
| 02:38.55 | treke|home | oh well. I'll get one one it drops more :) |
| 02:41.11 | _Psycho | brb in 15 min |
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| 02:50.28 | Pendalar | yes cheaper |
| 02:51.03 | Pendalar | I want one as cheap as possible |
| 02:51.16 | Pendalar | and I can put english on it if necessary if that helps with the price |
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| 03:05.47 | _Psycho | pendalar i found 4 places to order, the cheapest was really 569$ |
| 03:06.10 | _Psycho | but i saw this week expensys.it / uk gonna take preorder soon i believe |
| 03:06.23 | _Psycho | mine was in japanese, i just changed the fonts and the locale.conf setting its cool |
| 03:06.32 | _Psycho | waiting on OZ / OPIE to work on it thought |
| 03:07.18 | treke|home | oz works. opie probably isnt that far off |
| 03:07.35 | _Psycho | i know i have OZ |
| 03:07.37 | _Psycho | atm |
| 03:07.38 | treke|home | problem is, no one has bought one for an opie developer yet :) |
| 03:08.10 | Pendalar | $30 off .. wow =-( |
| 03:08.25 | _Psycho | 30$ off what ? |
| 03:08.39 | Pendalar | no wait that's $130 off |
| 03:08.48 | treke|home | Pendalar: where?! |
| 03:08.53 | Pendalar | [22:05] <_Psycho> pendalar i found 4 places to order, the cheapest was really 569$ .. I've only found it for $699 and dyna. |
| 03:09.18 | _Psycho | shop.conics.net |
| 03:09.22 | Pendalar | well nevermind 569$ != $569 |
| 03:09.24 | treke|home | you suck. you got my hopes up |
| 03:09.39 | _Psycho | ? |
| 03:09.48 | _Psycho | thats 130$ difference :) |
| 03:09.59 | Pendalar | yer not US.. |
| 03:10.03 | _Psycho | yes 569$ = $569 its just the way i type it |
| 03:10.20 | _Psycho | dynamism 700$, conics.net 570$ thats 130$ |
| 03:10.46 | _Psycho | i know japan-direct.com can take special order i think and hmmm forgot the other place was $569 also |
| 03:11.09 | Pendalar | http://shop.conics.net/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/ |
| 03:11.11 | Pendalar | sweet |
| 03:11.13 | _Psycho | yes |
| 03:11.18 | _Psycho | i ordered from that |
| 03:11.20 | Pendalar | I might can afford that |
| 03:11.25 | Pendalar | but not $699 |
| 03:11.37 | _Psycho | the guys is nice, awesome services, you do the translation yourself (not really hard) |
| 03:11.38 | Pendalar | that's approaching 'dude, get a dell' (laptop) |
| 03:11.41 | _Psycho | and shipping took 3 days |
| 03:11.50 | _Psycho | from japan to canada |
| 03:12.00 | _Psycho | c700 was backorder, but he got some in like 5 days |
| 03:12.02 | _Psycho | was not bad |
| 03:17.05 | Pendalar | niice |
| 03:41.09 | Pendalar | wonder when the d900 will be out |
| 03:43.28 | treke|home | who cares. It'll be yet another japanese only product :) |
| 03:44.16 | Pendalar | lol |
| 03:44.20 | Pendalar | doh bbl |
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| 04:06.09 | effy | d900? |
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| 04:37.19 | warmi | what the heck is d 900 ? |
| 04:37.41 | treke|home | warmi: nothing |
| 04:40.45 | warmi | from conics.net about C 700 -> "note there is at times upto 1 week wait for this VERY popular unit" |
| 04:41.03 | warmi | I wonder how would that sell if they were to go full retail with it .. |
| 04:41.04 | warmi | hmm |
| 04:41.41 | treke|home | probably wouldnt :) |
| 04:41.47 | warmi | think so ? |
| 04:42.07 | warmi | it has this coolness factor .. |
| 04:42.07 | treke|home | because the people that want one would have imported one and the people who might have wanted one have moved on to something else |
| 04:42.20 | warmi | but then again, so did 5500 year ago |
| 04:42.29 | warmi | so you think Sharp already missed their chance ? |
| 04:42.32 | warmi | oh well |
| 04:44.50 | treke|home | I think they have for the most part |
| 04:49.24 | treke|home | particularly if they are selling the 5600 also |
| 04:49.39 | warmi | 2000 units only |
| 04:50.01 | warmi | which is like nothing ... 5000d sold more units :-) |
| 04:50.30 | warmi | but, no I would not buy 5600 for $490 |
| 04:50.44 | warmi | add $60 and you got c 700 from conics.net |
| 04:55.05 | fishy | heh |
| 04:55.19 | fishy | i would get a c700 |
| 04:55.34 | fishy | but I feel asif its not supported enough :/ |
| 04:55.45 | warmi | yeah, me too |
| 04:55.45 | treke|home | its supported real well :) |
| 04:55.51 | treke|home | if you live in japan :) |
| 04:56.00 | warmi | perhaps it will when OE comes out for C 700 |
| 04:56.11 | fishy | OE? |
| 04:56.26 | warmi | Open Embedded |
| 04:57.31 | fishy | $569 is a nice price |
| 05:00.09 | fishy | is the os in english? |
| 05:00.51 | treke|home | fishy: you can convert it to english |
| 05:01.02 | fishy | I know :) |
| 05:01.16 | fishy | but thats a hassle :P |
| 05:04.05 | fishy | ohhhj |
| 05:04.07 | fishy | whoah |
| 05:04.23 | fishy | it gives instructions on conversion :) |
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| 07:31.12 | frankps | Is there anyone running C700 here? |
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| 07:55.32 | do_guh_new | anyone know of a free yahoo messenger client for z |
| 07:56.56 | gaurdian | get tkcjabber from the kompany |
| 08:01.07 | gaurdian | its not free but works well |
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| 09:30.48 | frankps | anyone with C700 here? |
| 09:31.12 | SuKoShi_ | B500 |
| 09:31.40 | SuKoShi_ | same hardware :p |
| 09:31.49 | gaurdian | 5500 here |
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| 09:32.07 | mspencer | C700 here...why? |
| 09:32.27 | frankps | need some screenshots |
| 09:32.55 | mspencer | http://mspencer.net/stuff/c700res.jpg -- how's that? :) |
| 09:33.53 | _Psycho | you FINNALY got it spencer ;) |
| 09:33.54 | Twiun | mspencer: yum |
| 09:34.05 | gaurdian | mspencer , heya hows battery pack working out ? |
| 09:34.38 | gaurdian | I got my 5500 humming along nicely |
| 09:35.43 | gaurdian | and I fineally got my cross compile enviroment set up |
| 09:36.00 | gaurdian | in vmware no less |
| 09:36.12 | mspencer | I still have no connector for the battery pack...^__^ |
| 09:36.20 | mspencer | and http://mspencer.net/stuff/c700mame.jpg ^__^ |
| 09:36.57 | gaurdian | night warmi_sleep |
| 09:37.23 | warmi_sleep | night |
| 09:37.27 | weez|away | mspencer: have you tried usbnet yet? |
| 09:37.40 | mspencer | does it work with windows 2000? |
| 09:37.49 | mspencer | I thought it was a package for a desktop linux machine... |
| 09:38.01 | weez|away | ok |
| 09:38.13 | Twiun | mark: hiya |
| 09:38.14 | weez|away | i guess I should start with do you have a linux desktop? |
| 09:38.15 | gaurdian | I use intellisync here, works on XP |
| 09:38.22 | mspencer | Odd that I couldn't see any connections on netstat when using the sync software... |
| 09:38.33 | mspencer | michael.mspencer.net is win2k, mspencer.net is linux |
| 09:38.45 | weez|away | just wondering |
| 09:38.55 | gaurdian | so mspencer , how ya likeing the 700 ? |
| 09:38.58 | mark | hi Twiun |
| 09:38.59 | weez|away | I finally found a fbvncserver that would work with c700 |
| 09:39.12 | weez|away | but then it would disconnect almost instantly |
| 09:39.17 | mspencer | Are CF wlan cards common enough that I should be able to pick one up in an electronics store? |
| 09:39.24 | mspencer | weez: *interested* ^__^ |
| 09:39.46 | weez|away | when i looked in the logs usb0 is getting a netdev watchdog timeout.. |
| 09:39.48 | mspencer | guardian: I'm *loving* it. :) Already got Apache on it...installed mysql, but I think I'm going to switch to postgresql for my database class. |
| 09:39.50 | gaurdian | I wouldent think a electronics store, but any decent computer store would have em, I got mine from office depot |
| 09:39.59 | weez|away | BTW |
| 09:40.01 | mspencer | cool :) |
| 09:40.03 | gaurdian | cool...grats |
| 09:40.13 | gaurdian | why put apache on it ? |
| 09:40.31 | mspencer | small memory footprint, and convenient local filesystem browsing :) |
| 09:40.33 | gaurdian | but to each, thats cool |
| 09:40.41 | gaurdian | ahh...got ya |
| 09:41.04 | mspencer | wget on the desktop, apache on the client -- they team up to make a great offline reader :) |
| 09:41.11 | gaurdian | I just use tkcfile manager for that |
| 09:41.16 | weez|away | http://member.nifty.ne.jp/kayoko_abe/tsuoshi/slc700/vnc.htm |
| 09:41.17 | gaurdian | gool |
| 09:41.33 | weez|away | woopz |
| 09:41.49 | gaurdian | I just realised I spent WAY to much $$ on tkc apps... |
| 09:42.05 | mspencer | yon hyaku yon -- fiaru notto faundo. |
| 09:42.06 | gaurdian | but I use em..so guess worth it |
| 09:42.28 | gaurdian | well, glad youre likeing it |
| 09:42.32 | mspencer | thanks :) |
| 09:42.49 | gaurdian | I amost wish I had waited on buying my 5500, I would have got a 5600 |
| 09:42.51 | mspencer | Actually...tonight I have my heart set on installing postgresql. |
| 09:42.55 | weez|away | http://member.nifty.ne.jp/kayoko_abe/tsuyoshi/slc700/vnc.htm |
| 09:43.13 | mspencer | So if I understand correctly, I can just download and unpack a Debian ARM package of postgresql server and client... |
| 09:43.13 | weez|away | that is a link for a framebuffer vnc server that will work on c700 |
| 09:43.18 | gaurdian | but, 5500 really is a nice system. Already blows my old palm away |
| 09:44.11 | gaurdian | mspencer , uh....no idea but I have herd that works. I actually have a cross compile enviroment set up. How do you "unpack" a debian package ? |
| 09:44.19 | mspencer | no idea :) |
| 09:44.23 | gaurdian | if I might ask |
| 09:44.37 | mspencer | are there tools that let you just open up the package on the desktop -- then I can .tgz them up and move them over with the win2k sync software :) |
| 09:44.48 | gaurdian | heh ok, well tell me when ya find out...save me time cross compiling, its slow in vmware |
| 09:44.51 | mspencer | erm I think there are, but I don't know...tools that open a deb without installing... |
| 09:45.15 | gaurdian | I would think there would be.... |
| 09:46.00 | mspencer | or maybe I should just get mysql working for now, and do postgres later on (when we start getting into the really freaky database stuff in class.) |
| 09:46.13 | gaurdian | but I am in no way linux savy....its not my *nix of choice so I dont really know |
| 09:46.39 | mspencer | (for certain definitions of really freaky, I could mean 'used more often in enterprise than in some kid's personal phpbb install') |
| 09:46.47 | gaurdian | heh |
| 09:47.39 | mspencer | and MAME games left in attract mode, transform the C700 into an interesting and attention-grabbing desk ornament. ^__^ |
| 09:47.57 | gaurdian | hehe |
| 09:49.05 | gaurdian | There are definately more apps out there for the Palm platform, but the Z is SO much more flexible |
| 09:49.40 | mspencer | Yeah. That moment clicked for me, when trying to get mysql working. |
| 09:50.00 | mspencer | I installed the ipk and immediately went off and started mysqld, and it errored out, about being unable to create something somewhere. |
| 09:50.08 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 09:50.09 | mspencer | So I went off and started poking around, and then realized what I was doing. |
| 09:50.18 | gaurdian | ipk of apache ? |
| 09:50.35 | gaurdian | how much "ram" does the 700 have ? |
| 09:51.15 | gaurdian | btw, ebay has sd cards (512meg) for like 109$ + shipping |
| 09:51.20 | mspencer | I found myself thinking of the C700 as a real box, looking for logs and whatnot...not as a toy linux like my Agenda. |
| 09:51.35 | gaurdian | you can enable those logs ya know |
| 09:51.40 | mspencer | So the people in here saying their Zaurus feels like a 'real box' -- now I know they're telling the truth :) |
| 09:51.47 | gaurdian | yup yup |
| 09:52.09 | mspencer | it has 32 MB RAM, but remember executables can be paged in and out from the executable image on disk. |
| 09:52.20 | gaurdian | I am takeing mine on my trip to Boston next month and will code and such on the plane |
| 09:52.25 | gaurdian | true |
| 09:52.53 | gaurdian | there is no oZ for the 700 at the moment is there ? |
| 09:52.56 | mspencer | I know that paging really works, because I had too many things started up, and 'cat /proc/meminfo' told me I only had about 2 MB of RAM free. |
| 09:53.04 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 09:53.14 | mspencer | And then I started up zmamefull running Gauntlet, and it started rather slowly, but ran just fine. |
| 09:53.19 | gaurdian | I only have about 1meg free normally |
| 09:53.27 | gaurdian | cool |
| 09:53.50 | mspencer | zmamefull's executable is 10 MB in size. So yeah, when you put the Z under memory pressure, it "pages out" to the original executable. |
| 09:54.04 | gaurdian | but I put a swap file on my sd card |
| 09:54.08 | mspencer | that is, it knows the pages are already on disk, so it discards them. It makes the executable part of a read-only paging file, so to speak. :) |
| 09:54.23 | gaurdian | yea |
| 09:55.01 | mspencer | So between Office Depot, Circuit City, CompUSA, and Nebraska Furnature Mart (which has a sizable computer section, with components and everything, believe it or not)...I should hopefully be able to find some CF and SD cards for my toy. :) |
| 09:55.10 | gaurdian | I would love to put perl back on my Z but it wont install to SD |
| 09:55.38 | gaurdian | mspencer , like I said, ebay has 512meg SD cards for 109$ + shipping |
| 09:55.49 | gaurdian | and CF also..... |
| 09:55.57 | gaurdian | wish I would have looked there first |
| 09:56.06 | mspencer | I'm planning on buying a small (256 MB) flash or SD card, an 802.11b CF card, and an 802.11b base station -- and a connector from Radio Shack for my battery pack :) |
| 09:56.21 | mspencer | and then other components, I can buy slowly over the internet :) |
| 09:58.03 | gaurdian | I just finished getting my stuff, I have my WiFi card, Wired Ethernet Card, Base Station so I am all set now except for the 512 SD card I want |
| 10:01.24 | gaurdian | I am still not useing OZ though |
| 10:03.42 | gaurdian | wonder if I can get latest opera for the Z |
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| 10:15.56 | gaurdian | that sucks |
| 10:16.14 | gaurdian | anyone know if its possible to upgrade opera on the 5500 ? |
| 10:18.53 | Twiun | I doubt it |
| 10:19.31 | gaurdian | figures |
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| 10:19.36 | gaurdian | oh well |
| 10:19.54 | gaurdian | I like the Z a lot , just wish I coiuld change some things |
| 10:20.28 | Twiun | it's always possible, it's simply that the commercial software on it won't come with updates unless sharp provides them |
| 10:20.40 | Twiun | otherwise, you can do pretty much anything you like on the Z |
| 10:20.49 | gaurdian | yea, I mean I would pay for the upgrade if its avaoiable |
| 10:21.08 | gaurdian | I have done a lot customizing so far |
| 10:23.35 | gaurdian | I herd there might be a 2.39 rom out so might be in there (I hope) |
| 10:23.36 | yeiazel | gaurdian: don't you use openzaurus ? |
| 10:23.40 | gaurdian | nope |
| 10:23.49 | Twiun | I left the Sharp ROM behind quite a while ago too :) |
| 10:23.56 | gaurdian | I have used it before, but not at the moment |
| 10:24.06 | yeiazel | If you want to customize, I think it's the better way :) |
| 10:24.25 | gaurdian | well, we might have different ideas of what I mean by customize :) |
| 10:24.50 | yeiazel | ah ? |
| 10:25.16 | gaurdian | Dont get me wrong, OZ is fantastic considering that its a few volunteers working on it. Its just not as stable as I need it to be before I use it full time |
| 10:25.34 | gaurdian | and I know it looks better, but I dont care about looks really. |
| 10:25.49 | gaurdian | I have replaced almost all the default PIM apps with the tkc ones |
| 10:26.06 | Twiun | OZ friendlier for developing on, that's why I use it |
| 10:26.09 | gaurdian | and I need a working browser and email app that is supported |
| 10:26.32 | gaurdian | I dont know that its friendlier really, I mean I have opie-konsole and such |
| 10:26.46 | gaurdian | but I dont do much development at all |
| 10:27.08 | Twiun | I ssh in from my dev box |
| 10:27.17 | Twiun | and do repeated test runs, via ssh |
| 10:27.18 | gaurdian | I use my Z for PIM and also network/system management |
| 10:27.37 | Twiun | OZ gives me lots more ram to run gdb in |
| 10:27.44 | gaurdian | I do code on it, but nothing serious |
| 10:27.56 | Twiun | lol, I don't, I just run/debug on it |
| 10:28.03 | Twiun | coding I do on a nice 21" screen |
| 10:28.03 | gaurdian | yea, but for my uses I have enough |
| 10:28.07 | yeiazel | I use my Z for PIM, wardriving, an as an ogg player |
| 10:28.27 | yeiazel | s/an/and/ |
| 10:28.29 | Twiun | I use my Z to bring an alternative Java VM to you ingrates :) |
| 10:28.36 | gaurdian | heh |
| 10:29.25 | Twiun | ~lart yeiazel |
| 10:29.35 | gaurdian | I have a few java apps I run on the Z, mostly rdcalc |
| 10:30.18 | Twiun | I mostly use DrugMoney for testing purposes atm, as that's what was first asked |
| 10:30.32 | Twiun | but I'll use any other Java app for testing, it's all the same |
| 10:30.49 | gaurdian | yeiazel , but tkc apps arent free |
| 10:30.58 | yeiazel | I don't use tkc apps :) |
| 10:31.07 | gaurdian | I really like their apps |
| 10:32.10 | yeiazel | They don't use the default tk, that's boring |
| 10:32.31 | gaurdian | they work, and work well, that is my concern |
| 10:32.35 | yeiazel | :) |
| 10:33.03 | gaurdian | I personally dont care what there coded with |
| 10:33.18 | gaurdian | and I dont mind paying for a good software app |
| 10:34.13 | gaurdian | There are a few apps that I used on my palm I wish were avaiable for the Z though |
| 10:34.25 | gaurdian | but nothing major |
| 10:38.37 | yeiazel | just code them ;) |
| 10:38.51 | gaurdian | I wish I was that good, I am not a developer |
| 10:43.04 | Wintre | Like what? |
| 10:44.35 | gaurdian | well, there is a small app that gets flight times and such, like I said not a big deal |
| 10:44.53 | gaurdian | there is a small app that gets weather for cities when you enter zip |
| 10:45.08 | gaurdian | nothing I cant do with opera... |
| 10:50.04 | SuKoShi_ | yeiazel: kikoo |
| 10:50.13 | yeiazel | 'lo SuKoShi_ |
| 11:11.21 | SuKoShi_ | 今晩は |
| 11:13.07 | SuKoShi_ | エムスペンさ−サン お元気ですか？ |
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| 11:37.08 | effy | SuKoShi_：日本人ですか？ |
| 11:37.22 | effy | does anyone have a program to destroy data on a hard disk? |
| 11:37.57 | Twiun | there are plenty on the web |
| 11:38.34 | effy | I want one that will destroy the disk, regardless of what FS may be on there |
| 11:38.54 | Twiun | what are you wiping from? linux or windows? |
| 11:39.13 | Twiun | and how serious does the destruction have to be? |
| 11:39.29 | Twiun | the only sure thing is physically crushing the thing |
| 11:40.45 | effy | haha |
| 11:41.04 | effy | well, not that serious. I need to hand the hard disk back to the company. ;) |
| 11:41.27 | effy | and I'm running Windows 2k on the machine I intend to do it with |
| 11:41.36 | effy | I temporarily attached the hard disks to it |
| 11:41.43 | yeiazel | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb |
| 11:41.51 | yeiazel | but not with win :) |
| 11:41.58 | effy | haha |
| 11:42.35 | Twiun | effy: http://www.jetico.com/download.htm, use bcwipe |
| 11:43.26 | Twiun | effy: as you're only using it once, you can use the trial version |
| 11:51.13 | effy | I found another |
| 11:51.34 | effy | dtidata.com |
| 11:51.37 | effy | Disk Wipe |
| 11:52.13 | Twiun | Cool :) |
| 11:52.28 | Twiun | IBM+co also release low-level formatters for their hardware |
| 11:57.59 | effy | oh, Sukoshi is a Frenchman, not a Japanese hehe |
| 11:59.19 | yeiazel | :) |
| 12:08.33 | effy | damn, now I need a DOS 5.0 boot floppy |
| 12:08.41 | effy | who tf has this kinda shiet anyways??? |
| 12:09.10 | Twiun | haha |
| 12:09.30 | Twiun | I think there are boot floopy images on the web |
| 12:09.34 | Twiun | just have a search |
| 12:10.04 | Twiun | floppy images even |
| 12:10.31 | effy | really? |
| 12:10.44 | yeiaway | www.bootdisk.com |
| 12:10.44 | effy | might be better to do it this way as doing it from windows 2k might take too long, eh?> |
| 12:12.02 | Twiun | lol |
| 12:12.21 | Twiun | yeah, or boot a linux cd in rescue mode and dd your hd to hell |
| 12:13.23 | effy | I need to do it to only one specific disk, not to all etc. heh |
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| 12:40.25 | effy | damn, it's telling me I need to buy the freaking thing |
| 12:41.01 | Twiun | oh well |
| 12:41.08 | Twiun | have to go, cya :) |
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| 12:49.53 | SuKoShi_ | effy-kun: you japanese was mojibake |
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| 13:03.27 | Aquarius | How can I backup my Z to a Linux box without using Qtopia Desktop? |
| 13:04.21 | SuKoShi_ | install smbmount on both machines |
| 13:04.35 | SuKoShi_ | (newest Z have samba already) |
| 13:04.47 | SuKoShi_ | then connect through smb to your linux box |
| 13:04.49 | Aquarius | Ah, best to do it over Samba? Right... |
| 13:05.06 | SuKoShi_ | best, not so, but easiest yeah |
| 13:05.35 | Aquarius | I don't want to use QTopiaDesktop because it crahes all the time :( |
| 13:06.36 | SuKoShi_ | it doesn"t work for my B500 |
| 13:06.55 | SuKoShi_ | so i use samba |
| 13:06.57 | Aquarius | What would be best rather than easiest, then? zNetBackup uses rsync, but that's OZ only... |
| 13:07.26 | SuKoShi_ | install OZ then, you'll not regret |
| 13:07.34 | SuKoShi_ | i'm waiting for OZ for mine |
| 13:07.45 | Aquarius | I haven't got any CF cards, so I fear OZ :) |
| 13:10.20 | Aquarius | I suppose I could just use lftp's mirror command, which would be even easier... |
| 13:10.34 | SuKoShi_ | maybe |
| 13:11.25 | Aquarius | Which bits are in the rom and therefore don't need backing up? |
| 13:11.59 | Aquarius | Or should I just back up root's home irectory? |
| 13:13.40 | effy-kun | sukoshi: your Japanese wasnt. are you running natively on a Japanese environment? ;) |
| 13:18.34 | Aquarius | Cheers. |
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| 13:23.15 | SuKoShi_ | i'm using now windowsxp japanese version |
| 13:23.22 | effy | weird |
| 13:23.27 | effy | I'm using win2k. |
| 13:23.35 | effy | what version of irc? is it mIRC? |
| 13:23.36 | SuKoShi_ | but i'm also using trillian |
| 13:23.46 | effy | ah, might be trillian |
| 13:24.00 | SuKoShi_ | it only displays japanese while using msn chat module |
| 13:24.41 | effy | weird |
| 13:26.12 | effy | all these disk sanitizers suck |
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| 13:36.29 | effy | sup ljp |
| 13:51.20 | ljp | not much |
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| 14:54.16 | dmalloc | hell oh |
| 14:54.45 | dmalloc | should I feel adventourus and put openzaurus on my 5500G ? ;) |
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| 15:18.19 | SuKoShi_ | dmalloc: sur you will |
| 15:18.26 | SuKoShi_ | sur /sure |
| 15:18.44 | dmalloc | fine time to go and learn how to save a rom and flash the OZ one |
| 15:19.14 | SuKoShi_ | sharp germany don't provide romset? |
| 15:19.27 | nadav | they do, he just doesn't know :P |
| 15:19.41 | dmalloc | they preovide 2.36g |
| 15:19.50 | SuKoShi_ | so you don't need to save it |
| 15:20.02 | SuKoShi_ | you've got another version? |
| 15:20.02 | dmalloc | hrrm true |
| 15:20.18 | dmalloc | no latest is 2.38 but that us US only |
| 15:20.39 | SuKoShi_ | what is your actual version? |
| 15:23.08 | dmalloc | 2.36g :) |
| 15:23.21 | SuKoShi_ | so you really don't need to save it. |
| 15:23.27 | SuKoShi_ | as you can have it from sharp |
| 15:23.47 | SuKoShi_ | to save it you have to copy it with dd command i think |
| 15:23.59 | nadav | heh |
| 15:24.06 | SuKoShi_ | but trust me, do put OZ you'll not regret |
| 15:24.19 | nadav | that's what i told him |
| 15:24.24 | SuKoShi_ | Since i've tried it, i wait for a version for my Z |
| 15:24.39 | dmalloc | you have the b500 now ? |
| 15:24.45 | SuKoShi_ | yes |
| 15:24.54 | dmalloc | which is a 5600 ? |
| 15:24.57 | SuKoShi_ | since december 23th |
| 15:25.04 | SuKoShi_ | 24th |
| 15:25.07 | SuKoShi_ | yes it is |
| 15:25.29 | dmalloc | is theperformance increase between 5500 and 5600 extremely significant ? |
| 15:25.36 | SuKoShi_ | not at all |
| 15:25.49 | SuKoShi_ | except with an enhanced kernel |
| 15:26.16 | dmalloc | yes i was wondering about that, what is the kernel issue ? 2.4.6 is known to have bad memory handling |
| 15:26.22 | SuKoShi_ | 2.4.18 |
| 15:26.29 | dmalloc | on the official roms ;) |
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| 15:27.28 | SuKoShi_ | Linux zaurus 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix #2 Tue, 18 Feb 2003 23:04:07 +0100 armv5l unknown |
| 15:27.33 | dmalloc | nadav: to answeryour question from #Fink, no, I am currently doing all the sharp stuff from a linux box. |
| 15:29.14 | dmalloc | grrr now who fucked the 2.5.64 built system up |
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| 15:37.31 | dmalloc | pressing the C and D key on the keyboard ? |
| 15:37.36 | dmalloc | this howto is confusing me ,) |
| 15:38.44 | dmalloc | especially sinceit seems to be for sharp roms |
| 15:48.34 | SuKoShi_ | it is the same process |
| 15:48.52 | SuKoShi_ | you'll ask your Z to accept data from the CF to be put on internal flash |
| 15:48.54 | SuKoShi_ | so it is the same |
| 15:51.23 | SuKoShi_ | hey what's the command to rmdir a folder and all subfolders and what they contains? |
| 15:53.23 | dmalloc | rm -rf |
| 15:53.42 | dmalloc | SuKoShi_: yes, but is the romfile thing teh same ? |
| 15:54.03 | SuKoShi_ | yes |
| 15:54.41 | SuKoShi_ | dmalloc: thanks for the tip |
| 15:55.08 | dmalloc | my pleasure. if you have such questions do not hesitate asking |
| 15:55.31 | SuKoShi_ | thank you, i'm still a newbie :) |
| 15:55.50 | dmalloc | be very careful with rm -rf though |
| 15:55.54 | SuKoShi_ | lol |
| 15:55.59 | dmalloc | you need to be sure that you set teh correct dir to recurse from |
| 15:56.11 | SuKoShi_ | on "/" rl -rf * should be terrible |
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| 16:03.31 | dmalloc | laters ;) |
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| 16:25.00 | dmalloc | hrrm is the OZ download broken or is it my isp ? |
| 16:25.29 | nadav | it seems that SF is completely down.. |
| 16:25.31 | nadav | for me at least |
| 16:25.44 | dmalloc | ah.. fine then ;) |
| 16:25.53 | dmalloc | with my cable provider one never knows |
| 16:25.58 | nadav | heh |
| 16:26.21 | nadav | i could put up the initrd.bin for you, but i don't have a 5500 kernel so it would be useless |
| 16:27.23 | fishy | SF works for me... |
| 16:27.58 | fishy | but openzaurus.org dosent :/ |
| 16:28.21 | dmalloc | I should mirror for you guys ;) |
| 16:28.25 | dmalloc | remindme to do that |
| 16:29.07 | fishy | what type of server? |
| 16:29.16 | fishy | slash connection? |
| 16:29.53 | dmalloc | the server itself gets 100Mbit dedeicated, but it can burst to 2.5Gbit |
| 16:33.45 | fishy | lucky |
| 16:34.13 | fishy | is it YOUR dedicated server, or is it shared? |
| 16:34.30 | dmalloc | it is my conpanies and has some low profile stuffon it. |
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| 16:36.15 | dmalloc | aaah spain mirror works ;) |
| 16:36.20 | LordDavon | Hello everyone. |
| 16:39.26 | Pend-Gone | ok what's up with that |
| 16:39.39 | Pend-Gone | in a MS intern question ; "why is a manhole round?" |
| 16:39.56 | LordDavon | lol |
| 16:40.49 | Pendalar | what is the offical answer, because of the shape it can't fall through no matter how you turn it? |
| 16:41.26 | LordDavon | ...because 'womanhole' takes longer to type. :-P |
| 16:41.32 | dmalloc | "because someone stupid as you chose up to dream such a stupid test question" |
| 16:41.43 | Pendalar | lol |
| 16:42.02 | Pendalar | but it's a MS question! surely they could be more intelligent |
| 16:42.31 | LordDavon | Please don't say MS and intelligent in the same sentence. People may think it is true! |
| 16:42.53 | Pendalar | heh |
| 16:42.54 | LordDavon | Pend: Microsoft just hasn't purchased a company with the answer to that question yet! |
| 16:43.02 | Pendalar | is that bitterness in your voice? |
| 16:43.08 | Pendalar | lmao |
| 16:43.18 | LordDavon | NEVER! lol |
| 16:44.21 | Pendalar | that almost brought a tear to my eye |
| 16:45.29 | LordDavon | ACK! I can't get this friggin program to link right! |
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| 16:47.00 | dmalloc | LordDavon: on what OS, maybe I can help you |
| 16:47.38 | LordDavon | dmalloc: It is a Linux application. Native StrongArm. libSDL. |
| 16:47.40 | endr | anyone know of a mirror of www.openzaurus.org that's up? |
| 16:48.48 | dmalloc | LordDavon: ok, what is the linking error then ;) |
| 16:49.16 | dmalloc | endr http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website/content/download?mirror_id=3 |
| 16:49.43 | LordDavon | No error. Just not linking |
| 16:49.50 | endr | dmalloc: thx |
| 16:50.02 | dmalloc | is the link order correct? are you using automake or autoconf? libtool ? |
| 16:50.14 | dmalloc | does the linker find the lib ? |
| 16:50.22 | LordDavon | It should. |
| 16:50.40 | dmalloc | are you sure ;) |
| 16:51.00 | LordDavon | Didn't have a problem with MaxMAME, MaxMESS or MaxMiga finding SDL in this environment. |
| 16:51.17 | LordDavon | So, yes. ;-) |
| 16:51.23 | endr | dmalloc: do they mirror the feed at upm.es as well? |
| 16:51.29 | endr | Specifically, the unstable feed? |
| 16:51.41 | dmalloc | endr: dunno |
| 16:52.04 | endr | k |
| 16:52.32 | Pendalar | MaxMiga? I didn't see that on ZSI |
| 16:52.33 | dmalloc | I do not think so though |
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| 16:52.54 | endr | that's what I need, unfort |
| 16:53.07 | LordDavon | I never listed it Pend. http://maxprojects.zaurii.net |
| 16:53.18 | LordDavon | SOMEONE REDESIGN THAT PAGE FOR ME!!! heh |
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| 16:54.29 | LordDavon | ljp: Heya! |
| 16:54.37 | dmalloc | LordDavon: I take 300Euro an hour ;) |
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| 16:54.57 | LordDavon | dmalloc: lol.. |
| 16:54.57 | ljp | what up |
| 16:55.07 | LordDavon | I would do it myself. Just no time. |
| 16:55.14 | LordDavon | Too many projects going on. |
| 16:55.39 | LordDavon | Ya know.. The MaxProjects stuff.. C700 conversion... nvmax.com reviews to write... work... |
| 16:55.50 | dmalloc | allrighttime to scoot and have some fun |
| 16:55.54 | dmalloc | see ya laterz peeps |
| 16:57.03 | Pendalar | why didn't you up it? |
| 16:57.54 | Pendalar | are your mess/max outdated as well now? |
| 16:58.30 | JasonNJ | man seriously critical article on zaurii.net |
| 16:58.32 | LordDavon | Kinda. I need to merge in the latest sources. |
| 16:58.43 | LordDavon | MaxMESS is the same one listed. |
| 16:58.57 | LordDavon | MaxMAME has instructions in it now. |
| 16:59.11 | Pendalar | I never got NES usable speed |
| 16:59.18 | Pendalar | well enjoyable anyways |
| 16:59.25 | _Psycho | i tried the nes on my c700, slow as hell |
| 16:59.30 | LordDavon | If I get this one finished... MaxSNES, it will also do NES games. |
| 16:59.32 | _Psycho | i heard the snes run smoother |
| 16:59.35 | Pendalar | with the non errata fix? |
| 16:59.46 | _Psycho | not aure about the fix thought |
| 16:59.51 | Pendalar | try it w/o |
| 16:59.53 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 17:00.26 | LordDavon | Try MaxMESS with the modified kernel on a C700. ;-) |
| 17:01.26 | _Psycho | ah probably that indeed |
| 17:01.54 | _Psycho | MESS = ? Multi Emulator System Something ? |
| 17:02.15 | LordDavon | Something like that. |
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| 17:03.38 | Pendalar | super system I think |
| 17:03.43 | Pendalar | don't remember right off either |
| 17:03.46 | JasonNJ | cool! MAIL CALL is going to take one of my questions and film it! |
| 17:04.45 | Pendalar | on blue's clues or elmo's world? |
| 17:04.57 | JasonNJ | on Mail Call |
| 17:06.01 | Pendalar | was a joke... |
| 17:09.34 | JasonNJ | I dont think Blue or Elmo would be showing footage of a BLU-82B |
| 17:10.13 | JasonNJ | "hey boys and girls! Can you say 15,000 pounds of high explosive?" |
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| 17:13.39 | krezel | When the documentation talks about QStrings in "rich text" format, do they mean RTF, or some special QT way of formatting rich text? I can't find anything in the API docs about it |
| 17:14.45 | JasonNJ | beats me , crazy norweigans |
| 17:16.26 | krezel | haha |
| 17:17.08 | nofpu | krezel: see QStyleSheet |
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| 17:30.08 | krezel | thanks nofpu |
| 17:30.51 | nofpu | npm |
| 17:30.58 | nofpu | s/m// |
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| 18:36.24 | Hellaenergy | since when in #php invite only? |
| 18:37.58 | fishy | since theres flood attacks going on right now :/ |
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| 18:40.21 | redfenix | hi... anyone there? |
| 18:40.26 | krezel | Nope |
| 18:40.33 | redfenix | ok.. thanks anyway... =P |
| 18:40.40 | krezel | You're welcome |
| 18:40.52 | redfenix | I guess I should be more specific... anyone with a c700 around? |
| 18:41.06 | kergoth | no |
| 18:41.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:41.23 | redfenix | damn... having trouble getting usb to work.... |
| 18:41.38 | kergoth | windows, linux, what? |
| 18:41.40 | redfenix | tried the 5500's howto... but the module's not picking up. |
| 18:41.45 | redfenix | linux, rh 8.0 |
| 18:42.09 | kergoth | okay, dont use usbdnet |
| 18:42.11 | redfenix | I think the problem is that the USB vendor product doesn't match... so I changed the module settings |
| 18:42.12 | kergoth | its useless, and crap |
| 18:42.18 | redfenix | apparently so... |
| 18:42.27 | kergoth | use usbnet, I have a patch for 2.4.20 that has the Z support for usbnet |
| 18:42.45 | kergoth | and i threw in the c700 support, only like 8 lines |
| 18:42.54 | kergoth | just needed it to pick up that product id |
| 18:42.58 | kergoth | whats your email? |
| 18:43.01 | redfenix | 2.4.20? I'm on 2.4.18... do I need to upgrade? |
| 18:43.11 | kergoth | the Z usbnet patch is against 2.4.20, i'd recommend it |
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| 18:43.15 | redfenix | redfenix@softhome.net |
| 18:44.12 | kergoth | sent |
| 18:44.55 | weez|away | hey kergoth |
| 18:45.05 | kergoth | hey weez |
| 18:45.07 | weez|away | have you seen that usbnet sucks too? |
| 18:45.07 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 18:45.12 | kergoth | yes, i heard |
| 18:45.15 | weez|away | its going |
| 18:45.20 | redfenix | got it.. tnx. |
| 18:45.20 | kergoth | but anything that doesnt panic my box is better |
| 18:45.22 | kergoth | in my opinion |
| 18:45.23 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:45.24 | weez|away | true |
| 18:45.30 | redfenix | kergoth: how's c700 opie going? |
| 18:45.52 | kergoth | havent worked on it, was in upgrade hell trying to fix the fact that oz's unstable feed was hosing people's Z's |
| 18:45.59 | kergoth | without manually installing some packages |
| 18:46.14 | kergoth | i think i've got it corrected, but still requires some manual work thanks to ipkg being a piece of shit |
| 18:46.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:46.25 | ljp | ahh back to old times, eh? |
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| 18:46.51 | redfenix | kergoth: sounds like fun... =/ |
| 18:47.00 | ljp | I think spring has sprung here |
| 18:48.18 | redfenix | ljp: not here... it's 25 degrees. |
| 18:48.20 | kergoth | redfenix: I'd like to get the keyboard qt/e situation fixed up today if possible. so we'll see |
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| 18:48.38 | weez|away | kergoth: have you seen an fb vnc server for c700? cuz I found one somebody did the other day |
| 18:48.50 | ljp | weatherbot: weather kbjc |
| 18:48.52 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Broomfield / Jeffco, CO, United States: It is 13 C (57 F), windspeed is 37.01 km/h, and visibility is 80.47 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.09 1745 UTC). |
| 18:48.57 | redfenix | kergoth: if ever you have some c/c++ fill in code that you could use help on, let me know, k? |
| 18:49.25 | weez|away | i am thinking about merging it with the VNC server at SDG systems.. |
| 18:50.52 | warmi_sleep | weatherbot: weather mdw |
| 18:50.53 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station MDW |
| 18:51.43 | SuKoShi_ | hi! |
| 18:52.16 | ljp | warmi_sleep: need a weather station |
| 18:52.35 | redfenix | kergoth: dl'ing 2.4.20 source... will compile after I get it. |
| 18:54.06 | weez|away | redfenix: are you using usb-uhci? |
| 18:54.21 | warmi | weatherbot: weatherbot klot |
| 18:54.30 | redfenix | usb-ohci 21288 0 (unused) |
| 18:54.31 | redfenix | usbcore 77056 1 [acm hid usb-ohci] |
| 18:54.31 | warmi | weatherbot: weather klot |
| 18:54.33 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Chicago/Romeoville, Lewis University Airport, IL, United States: It is -10 C (14 F), windspeed is 35.41 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.09 1825 UTC). |
| 18:54.36 | redfenix | looks like ohci |
| 18:54.37 | weez|away | ok |
| 18:54.44 | redfenix | that was from lsmod |
| 18:54.54 | warmi | Romeville ? uh |
| 18:54.57 | warmi | ok |
| 18:55.06 | redfenix | weatherbot: wather mci |
| 18:55.08 | Pendalar | hey hey |
| 18:55.09 | redfenix | weatherbot: weather mci |
| 18:55.10 | weez|away | theres another patch for usb-uhci for 2.4.20. if you dont apply it stuff dont work for shit |
| 18:55.10 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station MCI |
| 18:55.11 | redfenix | er. |
| 18:55.15 | redfenix | hmm. |
| 18:55.32 | redfenix | weatherbot: weather KEAX |
| 18:55.33 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station KEAX |
| 18:55.37 | weez|away | thot i would warn you.. looks like you wont have an issue tho] |
| 18:55.55 | fishy | weatherbot: weather KATL |
| 18:55.56 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Atlanta, Hartsfield Atlanta International Airport, GA, United States: It is 20 C (68 F), windspeed is 16.09 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.09 1753 UTC). |
| 18:55.59 | fishy | wheeeeeee |
| 18:56.09 | fishy | weatherbot: weather KPDK |
| 18:56.10 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Atlanta, De Kalb-Peachtree Airport, GA, United States: It is 21 C (71 F), windspeed is 14.48 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.09 1753 UTC). |
| 18:56.15 | fishy | nice :) |
| 18:56.18 | krezel | weatherbot: KARB |
| 18:56.20 | warmi | yeah |
| 18:56.25 | Pendalar | ye atlanta's nice right now |
| 18:56.28 | krezel | weatherbot: weather KARB |
| 18:56.30 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Ann Arbor, Ann Arbor Municipal Airport, MI, United States: It is -7 C (19 F), windspeed is 28.97 km/h, and visibility is 12.87 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.09 1843 UTC). |
| 18:56.33 | Pendalar | who lives near atlanta? |
| 18:56.39 | redfenix | weatherbot: you suck. you don't have kansas city! |
| 18:56.49 | warmi | finally someplace that is almost just as f-up as Chicago is |
| 18:56.50 | warmi | heh |
| 18:57.22 | weez|away | weatherbot: weather abia |
| 18:57.24 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station ABIA |
| 18:57.24 | redfenix | weather applet says it's 25 here in kc. |
| 18:57.27 | Pendalar | I live about 80 min from atlanta =-) |
| 18:57.31 | warmi | krezel : did you figure out how to use rich text with qt ? |
| 18:58.00 | warmi | Pendalar : I live about 16 hours north from atlanta :-) |
| 18:58.27 | Pendalar | lol that's not close at all |
| 18:58.47 | krezel | warmi: I've looked at it a little, got lazy and havent tried |
| 18:58.55 | krezel | its a markup thing, like XML or HTML |
| 18:59.01 | Pendalar | prob be closer to keep going straight up and come up to atlanta that way |
| 18:59.05 | warmi | it is .. if you are looking at it from say the moon |
| 18:59.33 | warmi | krezel : you can use it to make your label use different text, colors etc . basically you can feed it is HTML and it will take it |
| 18:59.50 | warmi | I used that for example to make my QMessageBox a bit more "colorfull" |
| 19:00.18 | weez|away | weatherbot: weather aus |
| 19:00.20 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station AUS |
| 19:00.21 | ljp | needs metar station http://adds.aviationweather.noaa.gov/projects/adds/metars/stations.txt |
| 19:01.12 | warmi | weatherbot : weather KVYS |
| 19:01.28 | warmi | weatherbot: weather KVYS |
| 19:01.32 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Peru, Illinois Valley Regional-Walter A Duncan Field Airport, IL, United States: It is -10 C (14 F), windspeed is 27.36 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.09 1825 UTC). |
| 19:03.11 | warmi | weatherbot: weather KPAO |
| 19:03.12 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Palo Alto Airport, CA, United States: It is 12 C (55 F), windspeed is 9.66 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.09 1747 UTC). |
| 19:03.39 | weez|away | weatherbot: weather kaus |
| 19:03.41 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Austin, Austin-Bergstrom International Airport, TX, United States: It is 20 C (69 F), windspeed is 11.27 km/h, and visibility is 14.48 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.09 1832 UTC). |
| 19:04.27 | kergoth | weez|away: well, the fbvncserver should be able to handle the FB bits on any device.. but the ts and keyboard bits, and the picture of the device which maps to the hardware key presses, would need doing |
| 19:04.37 | kergoth | weez|away: thats cool that you found one, can you email me the url? |
| 19:05.31 | Pendalar | http://www.zaurusoft.com/packages/view/66 ... wonder if there's actually any changes to it |
| 19:05.51 | weez|away | kergoth: email address? |
| 19:05.59 | kergoth | weez|away: kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 19:06.02 | warmi | Pendalar : you still wanna work on that Dan Rather's Quake ? |
| 19:06.29 | Pendalar | I do when I get a few projects done, but I'm wondering if someone's already picked it up |
| 19:06.31 | warmi | I mean, dan east |
| 19:06.34 | warmi | crap :-) |
| 19:06.47 | Pendalar | yeah his emailings have been very helpful |
| 19:06.49 | warmi | ah ok |
| 19:06.54 | Pendalar | nice guy imho |
| 19:06.59 | warmi | yep |
| 19:07.05 | Pendalar | but if someone wants to do the general optimizing, be my guest |
| 19:07.16 | Pendalar | I only need to edit some client/server parts of it |
| 19:07.27 | Pendalar | handshakes etc |
| 19:07.43 | Pendalar | but with zsurface, I don't see why there isn't a faster version than the original port |
| 19:08.03 | Pendalar | why there can't be, rather |
| 19:08.46 | Pendalar | hrm can't check it out, the download link doesn't work |
| 19:09.08 | warmi | zsurface won't help you much , its strength lies in performing animated 2d graphics and quake does do that at all - it uses backbuffer to generate graphics pixel by pixel and that process is what slows it down |
| 19:09.11 | weez|away | kergoth: sent |
| 19:09.14 | Pendalar | why can't you guys just make one software repository site, and have the rest be mirrors? |
| 19:09.22 | Pendalar | instead of the major 3, 4 whatever |
| 19:09.56 | warmi | I guess they can't agree who will end up that "central one" :-) |
| 19:09.58 | Pendalar | normal quake does, but the best optimized code is Pocket Quake, which uses GameAPI heavily from what I understand |
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| 19:10.48 | warmi | Pendalar : yeah, it uses that just to access framebuffer memory and do final blit - considering that final blit is around 6 ms , compared to rendering phase which takes about 100 ms |
| 19:11.14 | warmi | the part that you need try to optimize is the rendering engine itself |
| 19:11.19 | Pendalar | you know more than I, all I know is what dan east explained to me |
| 19:11.26 | fredmj | i don't want my z boot with /sbin/qt without the /? button, how can i do...? |
| 19:11.42 | warmi | ( which includes rendering, translations etc - basically your typical 3d stuff)_ |
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| 19:12.03 | Pendalar | true, we didn't have to do any opt's on PPC |
| 19:12.15 | Pendalar | course we can't even test that fully without a good US server |
| 19:12.29 | Pendalar | our only server atm is in .nl and is prob the equiv of a home cable line ;-) |
| 19:13.30 | warmi | ah ok |
| 19:14.06 | Pendalar | need a zaurus ppc emu heh |
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| 19:29.29 | Pendalar | docs.zaurus.com has some newer files than oz's feed =-x |
| 19:29.42 | treke|home | so? |
| 19:29.51 | Pendalar | well how it shows up anyways |
| 19:30.08 | Pendalar | you just figure the opie- apps are the most recent on OZ |
| 19:30.15 | treke|home | nope |
| 19:30.49 | treke|home | at the moment OZ is locked on 2004-02-25 for it's opie builds |
| 19:31.30 | Pendalar | ah |
| 19:32.11 | treke|home | so the build kergoth did this weekend would still be usin 02-25 |
| 19:33.16 | treke|home | http://opie.net.wox.org/ is what you would use if you want bleeding edge |
| 19:34.07 | Pendalar | coo |
| 19:34.56 | Pendalar | no feed |
| 19:35.13 | treke|home | huh? |
| 19:36.02 | Pendalar | I prefer to use a feed when possible |
| 19:36.08 | treke|home | so use the feed |
| 19:36.10 | Pendalar | for all the reasons feeds are good for ipkgs |
| 19:36.25 | Pendalar | opie.net.wox.org afaik has no feed =-) |
| 19:36.33 | treke|home | are you blind? |
| 19:36.45 | DiamondAl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.06 | treke|home | DiamondAl: that includes everything in OZ except for unison |
| 19:37.14 | Pendalar | the glasses on my head tell you yes |
| 19:37.35 | treke|home | well then you need new ones |
| 19:37.42 | treke|home | http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/current/ |
| 19:37.48 | Pendalar | ah they do it's just not called a feed |
| 19:37.53 | DiamondAl | i feel so silly, please tell me what is unison? |
| 19:37.57 | Pendalar | it's a http dump of a cvs repository |
| 19:38.03 | Pendalar | unison is like rsync |
| 19:38.14 | DiamondAl | ohhh, right |
| 19:38.17 | Pendalar | it's a file sync tool |
| 19:38.28 | Pendalar | it has many uses, I recommend it |
| 19:38.30 | DiamondAl | thought i saw that somewhere today, new isn't it? |
| 19:38.35 | Pendalar | no |
| 19:38.38 | DiamondAl | to oz that is... |
| 19:38.49 | Pendalar | the old version works fine if there is a new one |
| 19:38.51 | DiamondAl | oh, ok |
| 19:39.05 | treke|home | nah it's been in oz for a while now |
| 19:39.33 | DiamondAl | hmmm, ok, i am new to this, and been at it like full time all week |
| 19:39.53 | DiamondAl | trying to get my z updated now again today |
| 19:48.04 | DiamondAl | is there a good faq or guide for getting tinyx, icewm, and rxvt set up on z? do you need to make xf86config file? can you export to x-servers on other machines? etc? |
| 19:52.26 | fishy | you can run icewm on zaurus??? |
| 19:54.35 | yeiazel | probably |
| 19:54.45 | yeiazel | :) |
| 19:54.53 | DiamondAl | fishy: its in the feed |
| 19:55.08 | DiamondAl | just where is the docs? faqs? |
| 19:57.21 | DiamondAl | i d/l'd those three things and typed startx and i got an x screen with the icewm menu button, but no rxvt and no run line, no shell!!! man, the menu was pretty sparce, but it was running :) |
| 19:57.54 | treke|home | so why are you asking about making an xf86config file |
| 19:57.54 | DiamondAl | all i need to do is populate the menu and i need a shell to do it |
| 19:58.09 | DiamondAl | for exported screens |
| 19:58.12 | DiamondAl | and such |
| 19:58.50 | DiamondAl | i am really asking for the location of docs and/or faqs |
| 19:59.05 | treke|home | openzaurus.org |
| 19:59.07 | treke|home | click on faqs |
| 20:00.07 | DiamondAl | ohhh, i didn't think that the openzaurus faqs were for the apps as well, will check it out, thanks |
| 20:00.21 | ljp | you mean for opie? |
| 20:00.52 | DiamondAl | no i mean for tinyx and its apps |
| 20:01.58 | DiamondAl | afaik, there are at least 3 environments for oz, picogui, opie, and tinyx are the faqs/docs for all of these different environments in the OZ faq? |
| 20:02.28 | yeiazel | I think tinyx runs the same way X works |
| 20:02.31 | DiamondAl | I am checking now treke, under applications first, hehe |
| 20:04.06 | DiamondAl | well now, comeon yeiazel, there has to be some compromises made for the z platform, this should be documented somewhere, no? |
| 20:04.26 | treke|home | no |
| 20:04.28 | yeiazel | compromises ? |
| 20:04.33 | yeiazel | why ? |
| 20:04.40 | treke|home | why compromise? |
| 20:04.51 | yeiazel | maybe no network layer... |
| 20:05.01 | treke|home | yeiazel: why no network layer? |
| 20:05.14 | yeiazel | treke|home: large piece of code... |
| 20:05.28 | yeiazel | I don't know, it's just a supposition :) |
| 20:05.35 | DiamondAl | ok I have compiled x on a desktop, the downloaded sources are like 20+ megs! |
| 20:05.43 | yeiazel | if it's documented somewhere, it's in the xfree86 documentation |
| 20:05.44 | DiamondAl | there has to be compromises |
| 20:05.57 | yeiazel | tinyx is part of the xfree project |
| 20:06.07 | treke|home | DiamondAl: Actually no there doesnt. A huge chunk of that is fonts. |
| 20:06.24 | treke|home | X was designed to run on machines far less powerful than the Zaurus |
| 20:06.32 | DiamondAl | ahhhh, now i am getting somewhere |
| 20:07.10 | DiamondAl | thanks treke, so i can make an XAuthority file, and export displays, just like desktop x?? |
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| 20:08.37 | DiamondAl | ok, if so, can i make an xf86config file for the exported display? so that i can like have the z display to a desktop at 1024x768? |
| 20:09.18 | DiamondAl | this is what i mean by faq, didn't want to ask here, just wanted a pointer to the info, sorry for bothering you guys |
| 20:10.29 | DiamondAl | x is powerful guys, and if tinyx can as a server export displays then it too is pretty powerful, and worthy of documentation, and mention |
| 20:11.39 | treke|home | so document it |
| 20:11.50 | treke|home | fiddle, figure it out, and document it |
| 20:12.21 | DiamondAl | uh, ok, sure, ... ummm, i aint quite the developer yet, but trying real hard |
| 20:12.55 | DiamondAl | is there a source file? patches for the arm/z platform? |
| 20:13.05 | treke|home | look in buildroot |
| 20:13.12 | DiamondAl | i know the tinyx site |
| 20:13.23 | DiamondAl | hmmm, where is that? |
| 20:13.30 | treke|home | read the faq |
| 20:13.30 | DiamondAl | not the developer yet, sorry |
| 20:13.33 | DiamondAl | ok |
| 20:13.44 | DiamondAl | buildroot |
| 20:13.49 | DiamondAl | checking |
| 20:14.22 | DiamondAl | hehehe, there is a buildroot category in the faq |
| 20:14.27 | DiamondAl | :) |
| 20:15.45 | _Psycho | hmm installation debian with netisnt, should i do it with the testing vetrsion or the stable ? |
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| 20:18.23 | DiamondAl | treke, just how close is the sharp platform to the ipaq platform, and is documentation for ipaq developers applicable to sharp folk? |
| 20:18.44 | treke|home | it's similar |
| 20:18.56 | treke|home | some of it is |
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| 20:20.51 | DiamondAl | you guys are developing for both, right? (you and kergoth, that is) |
| 20:21.37 | treke|home | I develop for the ipaq. kergoth develops for the Z |
| 20:22.00 | DiamondAl | ok, i see |
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| 20:23.21 | DiamondAl | bitkeeper, is that comparable to cvs? |
| 20:23.47 | treke|home | same idea |
| 20:30.29 | Pendalar | http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/current/ <-- too bleeding edge |
| 20:31.02 | Pendalar | left me with a borked inittab and other things |
| 20:31.11 | Pendalar | but it's all about the order |
| 20:31.13 | treke|home | not surprising |
| 20:31.19 | Pendalar | anyways I'll hard reset later |
| 20:31.22 | Pendalar | tc guys =-) |
| 20:38.52 | krezel | A standard QTimer event repeats on a given interval, and a singleshot only goes once, right? |
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| 20:39.22 | DiamondAl | treke, do you have to buy bitkeeper? or is there a free version available? |
| 20:39.49 | treke|home | you can get it for free if you dont contribute to any SCCS software |
| 20:40.04 | krezel | treke|home: even for commercial software? |
| 20:40.22 | treke|home | if you dont contribute to any SCCS software |
| 20:40.40 | krezel | ah |
| 20:41.42 | treke|home | http://www.bitkeeper.com/Sales.Licensing.Free.html |
| 20:41.56 | treke|home | open source only |
| 20:41.59 | treke|home | can be commercial |
| 20:42.15 | krezel | What makes bitkeeper better than CVS? |
| 20:42.41 | treke|home | its different. whether its better or not is for you to decide |
| 20:42.46 | DiamondAl | i am looking for a definition of SCCS softwar4e |
| 20:43.09 | DiamondAl | software |
| 20:43.13 | krezel | DiamondAl: version trackers |
| 20:43.14 | treke|home | DiamondAl: something bitmover thinks is similart to bitkeeper |
| 20:43.30 | DiamondAl | ahhh, cool |
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| 20:43.48 | DiamondAl | i will download it now then |
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| 20:56.29 | krezel | Is there a debian package of bitkeeper anywhere? |
| 20:57.24 | yei | I don't think so :) |
| 20:57.56 | redfenix | hmm.. I'm having problems with usbnet... =/ |
| 20:58.09 | redfenix | keeps on coming on under the acm module instead of usbnet. |
| 20:58.16 | redfenix | any ideas? |
| 20:58.35 | krezel | debian's one of those distros that probably doesnt like bitkeeper very much :) |
| 20:58.57 | treke|home | it cant go into debian :) |
| 20:59.14 | _Psycho | treke what are you using then ? |
| 20:59.15 | krezel | treke|home: why? |
| 20:59.47 | krezel | redfenix: Buy a wired/wireless ethernet adapter :) |
| 21:00.15 | redfenix | krezel: I plan on it.. already got a bluetooth cf card... but I still have to get the drivers on it. |
| 21:00.36 | treke|home | krezel: Debian contributes to similar software |
| 21:00.46 | treke|home | _Psycho: I use Debian |
| 21:01.16 | _Psycho | but not bitkeeper ? |
| 21:01.22 | treke|home | I use bitkeeper |
| 21:01.37 | _Psycho | oh it hoguht you said he was not working into deb :) |
| 21:01.40 | _Psycho | ok nm that :) |
| 21:01.51 | treke|home | No I said it cant be put into Debian the project |
| 21:04.22 | krezel | ah |
| 21:11.16 | krezel | Do any of the bluetooth CF cards work on the Z? |
| 21:12.27 | treke|home | some do |
| 21:12.40 | treke|home | no clue which |
| 21:13.07 | yei | Wifi rocks :) |
| 21:13.10 | yei | :p |
| 21:13.59 | krezel | I want a T68i |
| 21:14.11 | DiamondAl | yep, wifi is da moooov, get it or regret it |
| 21:14.50 | redfenix | krezel: I would assume any cards which work with BlueZ would work. |
| 21:15.04 | krezel | Good point, since it can use the standard linux kernel |
| 21:15.24 | treke|home | it may not get along with the ancient kernel on the zaurus |
| 21:19.31 | gaurdian | there is a list of blue tooth cards that work fine with the sharp rom |
| 21:19.47 | gaurdian | I am getting one soon |
| 21:42.16 | krezel | I have a QSlider thats going the reverse of the way that I want it to go (100 is at the bottom now, I want 100 at the top). Is there some way to flip it, using negative geometry or something? or do I just kludge it with math? |
| 21:43.48 | treke|home | change the minimum, maximum, and step values? |
| 21:44.35 | treke|home | hrm. no that wouldnt work |
| 21:44.44 | treke|home | just multiply the value by -1 before using it |
| 21:46.07 | krezel | 100 - x |
| 21:46.40 | krezel | I've got it kludged right now, I was hoping there was a more elagant way |
| 21:46.49 | treke|home | nope |
| 21:47.02 | warmi_away | what's more elegant than a bit of algebra .. |
| 21:47.02 | warmi_away | :-) |
| 21:50.27 | treke|home | well shit. I was working too hard at it. |
| 21:51.28 | fishy | :/ |
| 21:52.12 | warmi_away | http://www.centcom.mil/galleries/leaflets/showleaflets.asp <- propaganda stuff they are currently dropping in iraq .. |
| 21:52.23 | treke|home | spend the entire morning fighting with a build system, only to find it works when you dont try coercing it :) |
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| 23:21.30 | _Psycho | god debian is so much complicated to install |
| 23:21.48 | krezel | yes, but once you get it installed, its worth it |
| 23:22.07 | _Psycho | jigdo is a pain, netinstall crash bad, 7 frigging cd7 to download (probably just 1) |
| 23:22.08 | _Psycho | i might just install potato 2.2 |
| 23:22.10 | krezel | I think the debian installer is their way of keeping those that they feel are "unworthy" from running it |
| 23:22.39 | krezel | _Psycho: I always use netinst |
| 23:22.51 | _Psycho | i tried the yesterday cd |
| 23:22.55 | krezel | if you cant use netinst, just download the first CD of woody, and bootstrap from there |
| 23:23.07 | _Psycho | it make a tons of corrupted flag error and a couples of thing, cant get the network card up |
| 23:23.18 | _Psycho | yeah that my plan |
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| 23:23.21 | krezel | your network card might not be supported, that sucks |
| 23:23.22 | _Psycho | downloading cd1 atm |
| 23:23.27 | _Psycho | nah it is |
| 23:23.37 | krezel | supported by the netinst kernel |
| 23:23.41 | _Psycho | work with debian 2.2 normal install, redhat, mandrake and all other stuff i tried |
| 23:23.46 | _Psycho | maybe who know |
| 23:23.56 | _Psycho | im getting a lots of corrupted flag its weird |
| 23:24.02 | _Psycho | anyway i just see with the CD |
| 23:24.04 | krezel | did you try the default kernel, or the bf24 kernel? |
| 23:24.31 | _Psycho | hmmm i just clicked on the unffocial testing netinst dated from the 8 march was like 80 megs |
| 23:24.53 | _Psycho | anyway CD should do it |
| 23:26.10 | krezel | ah |
| 23:26.25 | krezel | I just used the woody netinst and the bf24 kernel, and went from there |
| 23:26.56 | _Psycho | maybe i missed the iso link somewhere |
| 23:27.15 | _Psycho | anyway no big deal i hope taht jigdo thing will work else i write an installer for debian |
| 23:27.16 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 23:27.25 | _Psycho | something where you press enter and everything work ! |
| 23:27.37 | krezel | hah that would be un-debian |
| 23:28.03 | _Psycho | i might try SuSE never saw it |
| 23:28.09 | _Psycho | mandrake install quite own |
| 23:28.12 | _Psycho | so easy |
| 23:28.16 | _Psycho | nice graphics |
| 23:28.18 | _Psycho | etc |
| 23:28.24 | _Psycho | detect most everything |
| 23:28.34 | krezel | well thats mandrake |
| 23:28.45 | krezel | its a different philosophy |
| 23:28.51 | _Psycho | indeed |
| 23:28.58 | krezel | Mandrake crashes more too, and its dependency checking sucks |
| 23:30.29 | _Psycho | 1206 packages left, gonna take a while that jidgo thing seem a way slower than a normal iso download, he reconnect http everytime |
| 23:30.37 | _Psycho | and we dont ahve an overall time left |
| 23:31.10 | krezel | jidigo builds an ISO on the fly by downloading all the packages, its not downloading an iso |
| 23:31.21 | _Psycho | i know |
| 23:31.29 | _Psycho | debian web page said it was faster |
| 23:31.45 | _Psycho | i dont see how it can be faster, he remake a http connection for every .deb |
| 23:32.15 | treke|home | _Psycho: it doesnt download every deb |
| 23:32.51 | _Psycho | well all the .iso oroginal cd |
| 23:33.07 | krezel | I've never used it, does it just download the debs for the tasks you want? |
| 23:33.14 | _Psycho | no |
| 23:33.20 | treke|home | as I remember it, it did some fancy rsyncing |
| 23:33.27 | _Psycho | he just dowbload every .deb of the cd, and make an iso with it |
| 23:33.39 | _Psycho | same has the normal iso |
| 23:33.58 | _Psycho | if he download for the tasks i want, i sure missed that part |
| 23:34.16 | treke|home | _Psycho: you can specify what packages you want |
| 23:34.25 | _Psycho | hmmm |
| 23:34.35 | krezel | ah because that would be cool... if you said I want "Development" "Games" and "Console tools" and it only downloaded that stuff |
| 23:35.04 | _Psycho | i dont think so treke |
| 23:35.12 | _Psycho | yes indeed krezel |
| 23:38.41 | _Psycho | i just see the point of jidgo, i can use old cdrom and he only download the package updated |
