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| 05:07.38 | bobbyd | hi |
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| 05:08.57 | Aimio | hi |
| 05:09.17 | bobbyd | i'm ordering an sl-c700 ;) |
| 05:09.34 | Aimio | I want one 2! |
| 05:09.42 | bobbyd | it looks cool |
| 05:10.30 | Aimio | I'd like to make my 5500 look like a 700 |
| 05:11.26 | bobbyd | you mean software-wise? |
| 05:11.31 | Aimio | c700 is the most desirable tech i've seen :) |
| 05:11.49 | Aimio | I mean everything wise, especially rotating screen & keyboard |
| 05:11.52 | bobbyd | well, mine is on it's way from the orien |
| 05:11.55 | bobbyd | orient |
| 05:11.57 | bobbyd | even |
| 05:12.13 | bobbyd | jesus i'm pissed ;) |
| 05:12.13 | Aimio | how much in UK pounds? |
| 05:12.17 | bobbyd | 375 |
| 05:12.20 | treke|home | just needs a bigger battery and more memory |
| 05:12.33 | bobbyd | i wont use it for more than 4 hours away from the mains |
| 05:12.43 | Aimio | i only paid 250 for my 5500 :/ |
| 05:12.48 | bobbyd | well |
| 05:12.57 | bobbyd | you have to pay for cool ;) |
| 05:13.01 | bobbyd | one way or another |
| 05:13.23 | treke|home | which for 700 bucks, I guess I can be :) |
| 05:13.24 | bobbyd | treke|home: all i want is something i can code c++/java on |
| 05:13.44 | bobbyd | i hate being tied to a pc... |
| 05:13.54 | bobbyd | i need a calculator for games programming |
| 05:13.55 | Aimio | if i had known about c700, would have waited |
| 05:14.11 | bobbyd | something fast enought to test algorithms |
| 05:14.27 | bobbyd | i think the c700 is it |
| 05:14.34 | Aimio | aprt from batt + mem c700 fixes al l the worries i had about 5500 |
| 05:14.51 | bobbyd | we went out tonight to celebrate our first ps2 title ;)) |
| 05:15.00 | Aimio | made? |
| 05:15.01 | treke|home | cool |
| 05:15.02 | bobbyd | i need to go to bed ;/ |
| 05:15.17 | bobbyd | work @ 9 am |
| 05:15.46 | bobbyd | it was between the sony vaio U3 and the c700 |
| 05:15.56 | bobbyd | i couldnt justify the ca$h for the U3 |
| 05:16.04 | bobbyd | so its the c700... |
| 05:16.07 | treke|home | the nice thing about the c700 is that it can do the pda thing also |
| 05:16.11 | bobbyd | yup |
| 05:16.15 | bobbyd | it's small enough |
| 05:16.32 | bobbyd | does anyone here conpile c++ on it> |
| 05:16.40 | bobbyd | or am i on the wrong chan? |
| 05:16.42 | treke|home | I like portrait for most things |
| 05:16.49 | treke|home | bobbyd: go order a big CF card |
| 05:16.52 | bobbyd | treke|home: you have a c700? |
| 05:16.56 | treke|home | no |
| 05:17.00 | bobbyd | treke|home: i have a 256 meg one |
| 05:17.12 | treke|home | aint no way I could convince myself to spend 700 bucks on a pda :) |
| 05:17.40 | bobbyd | i'm thinking about the ibm CF hard disc ;) |
| 05:17.49 | Aimio | how much are they? |
| 05:17.55 | bobbyd | treke|home: i got it from shop.conics.net |
| 05:17.57 | bobbyd | 576 |
| 05:17.57 | treke|home | bobbyd: I'd stay away from them personaly |
| 05:18.06 | bobbyd | bucks! as you americanos would say ;)) |
| 05:18.25 | treke|home | bobbyd: They suck power and run rather hot |
| 05:18.29 | bobbyd | ummm, 576 buks |
| 05:18.52 | Vhalros | Isn't IBM developing a 4 gig microdrive? |
| 05:18.55 | bobbyd | treke|home: why? |
| 05:19.03 | bobbyd | you have bad experiences? |
| 05:19.06 | treke|home | bobbyd: Its just the nature of hard drives |
| 05:19.12 | bobbyd | ohhh |
| 05:19.14 | bobbyd | c700? |
| 05:19.30 | bobbyd | ohh i forgot i was on about the ibm hard discs ;) |
| 05:19.33 | treke|home | no the micros drive :) |
| 05:19.35 | bobbyd | lol |
| 05:19.43 | bobbyd | i've been drinking since 5pm |
| 05:19.47 | bobbyd | can you tell? |
| 05:19.50 | treke|home | bobbyd: nope |
| 05:19.55 | treke|home | bobbyd: but then again, I have also |
| 05:19.56 | bobbyd | it's now 5.21 am |
| 05:20.12 | bobbyd | ive bought exactly 1 drink |
| 05:20.16 | Aimio | so you released ps2 title? |
| 05:20.21 | bobbyd | yup |
| 05:20.26 | Aimio | name? |
| 05:20.31 | bobbyd | it's simple, but it's done |
| 05:20.39 | bobbyd | i've only been with the company 3 months |
| 05:20.44 | bobbyd | ace lightning |
| 05:21.08 | treke|home | sounds like a fighter jet game :) |
| 05:21.12 | Aimio | right. I'm not buying shares in that company, drunk bastas! |
| 05:21.12 | treke|home | or a space game |
| 05:21.14 | bobbyd | indeed |
| 05:21.33 | bobbyd | i'm not usually drunk when i'm programming |
| 05:21.40 | Aimio | yea yea :) |
| 05:21.55 | treke|home | wrong on both counts |
| 05:22.06 | bobbyd | indeed |
| 05:22.33 | bobbyd | Aimio: where're you from? |
| 05:22.38 | Aimio | uk |
| 05:22.45 | bobbyd | where aboots? |
| 05:23.30 | Aimio | plymouth / b'mouth |
| 05:23.46 | bobbyd | zhz |
| 05:23.49 | bobbyd | aha even |
| 05:23.52 | bobbyd | well |
| 05:24.02 | bobbyd | i'll tell ya when my c700 arrives l) |
| 05:24.05 | bobbyd | cyas |
| 05:24.10 | Aimio | cya |
| 05:24.14 | Aimio | oh :p |
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| 05:34.16 | do_guh_new | anyone know how to install files locally on the 5500 (installing without syncing) is their a dir I have to have the files in or something? |
| 05:34.33 | do_guh_new | oops their=there |
| 05:35.20 | Aimio | I have an option to install to ram ... ? |
| 05:37.34 | do_guh_new | hmm |
| 05:37.39 | do_guh_new | I mean like installing .ipk files |
| 05:37.42 | do_guh_new | like apps |
| 05:37.51 | do_guh_new | terminal file manager etc. |
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| 05:38.26 | Aimio | I have no CF card. To install i do 'ipg install <package>.pkg' |
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| 05:57.42 | getoo | can i use zaurus for coding , my g/f is buying one for me |
| 05:57.47 | getoo | :)) |
| 05:57.57 | warmi | well ... |
| 05:58.07 | warmi | you can ... but it is not going to be fun |
| 05:58.11 | getoo | i mean beginner coding |
| 05:58.23 | warmi | can you live with an 20 column editor ? |
| 05:58.24 | Vhalros | Using a PC would be easier. |
| 05:58.28 | warmi | hehehe |
| 05:58.29 | Vhalros | A lot easier :) |
| 05:58.44 | warmi | getoo : some people do |
| 05:59.00 | getoo | how much GB does a zaurus ussually have |
| 05:59.01 | Vhalros | You can use the PC to program for the Zaurus, of course... Which I'd imagine is generalyl the prefered way of doing it. |
| 05:59.07 | Vhalros | GB? |
| 05:59.12 | getoo | i was unable to find that info |
| 05:59.15 | getoo | memory |
| 05:59.27 | warmi | 64 MB |
| 05:59.39 | Aimio | & 204mhz i think |
| 05:59.51 | warmi | what kind of coding you want to do on your zaurus ? |
| 05:59.51 | Vhalros | The SL5500 model comes with 64 MB, which is partitioned by defaault into 32 MB of 'hard disk', and 32 of actual memory. |
| 05:59.54 | getoo | thats not bad |
| 06:00.01 | getoo | warmi: just a little python |
| 06:00.01 | warmi | C++ or what ? |
| 06:00.04 | getoo | maybe some c |
| 06:00.07 | getoo | thats it |
| 06:00.10 | getoo | i am a n00b |
| 06:00.28 | warmi | ah ok , yeah coding in python on the device itself is not bad |
| 06:00.40 | Vhalros | getoo: You could do it, but why not just use a desktop PC, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 06:00.46 | warmi | I thought you were thinking about coding GUI apps using C++ - that would suck |
| 06:00.54 | Aimio | we could do with a music tracker. in fact alsa/jack would be nice :D |
| 06:01.13 | getoo | Vhalros: i live in nyc , i will be taking my zaurus with in on my daily train ride |
| 06:01.14 | Aimio | qt is c++? |
| 06:01.26 | getoo | i do all my coding on the desktop :-) |
| 06:01.38 | warmi | Aimio: yeah .. every modern GUI toolkit uses C++ |
| 06:01.48 | warmi | getoo : yeah, if you want to do python then sure |
| 06:01.55 | warmi | you can do that one the zaurus rather easily |
| 06:02.07 | Aimio | "coding GUI apps using C++ - that would suck"- oic - ont using QT |
| 06:02.09 | NeoTron | evening |
| 06:02.10 | Aimio | *not |
| 06:02.16 | getoo | i am gona install gentoo on it (linux) |
| 06:02.35 | Vhalros | Erm, on the Zaurus? |
| 06:02.45 | warmi | Aimio : I meant that using C++ on the zaurus would suck beacuse g++ requires tons of memory when compiling C++ apps |
| 06:02.57 | Aimio | QT-embedded is masked on gentoo |
| 06:03.04 | getoo | warmi: what about C |
| 06:03.17 | warmi | getoo : you could do little C |
| 06:03.24 | getoo | k , thank u very much |
| 06:03.25 | Vhalros | C uses considerably less memory doing compilation. |
| 06:03.39 | warmi | I mean it works it is just not very comfortable :-) |
| 06:03.42 | NeoTron | depends entirely on what you're compiling, really |
| 06:03.46 | warmi | mostly because of small size of the keyboard |
| 06:04.07 | NeoTron | not to mention hard to get special keys |
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| 06:04.11 | warmi | from what I heard - C 700 is much nicer in this regard .. |
| 06:04.13 | NeoTron | I'd never consider programming ON the zaurus |
| 06:04.21 | Aimio | external keyboard is possible though |
| 06:04.25 | NeoTron | right |
| 06:04.30 | NeoTron | unless I had that |
| 06:04.37 | Vhalros | Maybe I could imagine doing quick edits of existing programs.. |
| 06:04.44 | treke|home | a c700 might be doable |
| 06:04.45 | Vhalros | Is there an external keyboard for the Z? |
| 06:05.03 | NeoTron | there's been reported success using a pocketpc infrared kbd |
| 06:05.09 | warmi | nah ... laptop is much better if you want to code while riding on a train etc .. |
| 06:05.13 | warmi | I do just that every day |
| 06:05.48 | Vhalros | Even with a keyboard, you'd still have to deal with the tiny screen... |
| 06:05.50 | treke|home | warmi: why would you want to do that? :) |
| 06:05.57 | Aimio | true |
| 06:06.10 | Aimio | how much bigger is c700 scren |
| 06:06.17 | warmi | treke: the alternative being looking thru the window at the same scenery every day |
| 06:06.19 | treke|home | Aimio: same size more or less |
| 06:06.55 | Vhalros | The c700 is like... somewhere inbetween a PDA and a laptop :) |
| 06:07.15 | warmi | that also applies to its price as well |
| 06:07.18 | warmi | heh |
| 06:07.19 | NeoTron | so I have a go-ahead announcing a new port |
| 06:07.53 | Aimio | is any sound (as in low latency) support planned 4 opie? |
| 06:08.01 | warmi | well, that game has a potential to be your greatest hit on the Z so far |
| 06:08.05 | treke|home | Aimio: that isnt any opie thing |
| 06:08.13 | warmi | Aimio: that's OS thing |
| 06:08.14 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:08.16 | treke|home | Aimio: Its a kernel issue |
| 06:08.17 | NeoTron | and warmi already guessed it the other day |
| 06:08.22 | Vhalros | Well, the price is high mostly because of getting it imported, yes? |
| 06:08.34 | warmi | no one here knows what snail is - remember you are dealing with Linux geeks |
| 06:08.35 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:08.45 | treke|home | is it like worms? |
| 06:08.46 | Aimio | opie has different kernel though? |
| 06:08.51 | treke|home | Aimio: no |
| 06:09.06 | warmi | Vhalros : yeah, in Japan they sell this device for about 4500 |
| 06:09.08 | treke|home | opie is just a gui |
| 06:09.12 | warmi | I mean, $500 |
| 06:09.38 | warmi | treke : yeah ... that game was a huge hit in PPC world |
| 06:09.48 | treke|home | worms rocked |
| 06:10.00 | Aimio | if opie covers only GUI, and needs to flash. why don't they improve kernbel too? |
| 06:10.15 | treke|home | Aimio: OpenZaurus you mean? |
| 06:10.22 | NeoTron | treke|home: yes it's like works |
| 06:10.26 | treke|home | NeoTron: sweet |
| 06:10.46 | Aimio | ah i c now. openZ = kernel and the lot. opie is only GUI. sorry I got my terminoloyg wrong there |
| 06:10.47 | warmi | Aimio: there are like two teams - one ( kergoth + others ) are working on OS and the other team ( ljp, zecke etc ) are working on OPIE |
| 06:11.03 | treke|home | OpenZaurus does improve the kernel |
| 06:11.11 | Aimio | nice |
| 06:11.14 | NeoTron | has single player (deathmatch and "missions"), two player one device and networked (IP) |
| 06:11.31 | NeoTron | and it's really sweet looking |
| 06:11.36 | Aimio | NeoTron: got a link for screenies? |
| 06:11.36 | treke|home | although I wouldnt plan on it improving much until kergoth figures out what he wants to do about sd |
| 06:12.12 | mspencer | Wow... |
| 06:12.14 | NeoTron | Aimio: sure thing |
| 06:12.21 | Aimio | :/ i crave alsa supprt |
| 06:12.33 | warmi | yeah, snails rocks |
| 06:12.33 | mspencer | I'm not sure yet, but I think this thing was worth the money. |
| 06:12.39 | treke|home | Aimio: Dont hold your breath |
| 06:12.42 | NeoTron | http://www.snailsgame.com/ |
| 06:12.48 | Aimio | ty |
| 06:12.54 | NeoTron | click the description page and check the bottom of it |
| 06:13.41 | warmi | the guy who created graphics kept the whole thing in a sort of "candy-store" style |
| 06:13.50 | warmi | pretty nice |
| 06:13.56 | NeoTron | yeah, I think it's quite nice |
| 06:14.38 | warmi | Aimio: well you could use the current driver |
| 06:14.47 | warmi | after all you can play mod files on it just fine |
| 06:14.56 | warmi | so if you can play then you can compose them as well |
| 06:15.28 | mspencer | Dynamism killed all the Japanese support...it won't even render hiragana or katakana properly... |
| 06:15.35 | warmi | so here is another guy we are officially adding to our "hate you cause you have one and I don't ' list |
| 06:15.38 | getoo | anybody here that installed gentoo on a zaurus :=_ |
| 06:15.43 | mspencer | heh sorry ^__^ |
| 06:16.09 | Aimio | Where can I find the answer to questions like "Is alsa in ARM kernel yet"? |
| 06:16.23 | treke|home | alsa works on arm |
| 06:16.23 | gaurdian | try google |
| 06:16.43 | treke|home | but you'd need to write drivers for the zaurus |
| 06:17.27 | Aimio | lord I hate it when people just say "just google for it" I never ask a question if I now what search terms to use on google |
| 06:17.48 | gaurdian | use the same terms you used in your question |
| 06:17.50 | Aimio | treke|home: thx |
| 06:17.53 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:18.09 | treke|home | "alsa arm linux" |
| 06:18.23 | Aimio | treke: thx :) |
| 06:21.21 | gaurdian | warmi , got my X-compile enviroment up n vmware |
| 06:22.23 | gaurdian | works great |
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| 06:41.50 | mspencer | well, the USB cable connection won't work. The device keeps getting detected, but installation fails saying "Access is denied." |
| 06:42.18 | mspencer | Then it immediately retries installing the driver, putting me in an 'access is denied' loop of annoying windows until I pull the Zaurus USB cable out or eject the CD. |
| 06:48.22 | SuKo_Awy | mspencer : to reenable japanese support you have to find an unicode font that contains roman character & japanese one |
| 06:51.41 | do_guh_new | anbody know of any other irc clients for the z instead of zic? |
| 06:51.50 | NeoTron | Flip It! that is |
| 06:52.00 | do_guh_new | dont get me wrong I like zic it seems to time out on me often |
| 06:54.45 | mspencer | Since I can't get the USB cable to work, I think I'll use my Agenda as a gateway. |
| 06:54.57 | mspencer | It *should* be able to do 2 ppp connections, one over serial and one over irda... |
| 06:55.06 | mspencer | I don't know if there's a route command though> |
| 06:55.48 | mspencer | wait, there's no way I can get that done tonight...that's a huge job... |
| 06:55.58 | do_guh_new | :) |
| 06:56.14 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/apps/flipit/ |
| 06:56.16 | NeoTron | :) |
| 06:57.54 | do_guh_new | NeoTron: hey cool little program there |
| 07:01.56 | NeoTron | do_guh_new: yeah, it's fun. |
| 07:02.06 | NeoTron | now to actually release it (demo is there, full version not yet) |
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| 07:03.01 | do_guh_new | NeoTron: ya Im definetly getting this |
| 07:03.39 | NeoTron | cost will be like 5 bucks or so |
| 07:03.47 | do_guh_new | cool :) |
| 07:04.44 | do_guh_new | I just got my z online and synced tonight having a blast with it |
| 07:04.49 | do_guh_new | got a wireless cf net card |
| 07:10.11 | mspencer | damn, my Zaurus and Agenda refuse to communicate over irda. The Z only wants to talk to a modem. X__X |
| 07:10.26 | mspencer | so I can't move files with the Agenda, even 3 MB at a time...X__X |
| 07:14.22 | SuKo_Awy | i tried ppp over irda and accessing my Z through samba |
| 07:14.47 | SuKo_Awy | it works, slowly, but works |
| 07:15.09 | mspencer | I have no irda on my desktop, just the Agenda (which has a *working* serial connection |
| 07:15.29 | SuKo_Awy | i have got a laptop :p |
| 07:16.02 | SuKo_Awy | hey by the way, i usually sync with ms outlook, wha would you recommande for my linux laptop? |
| 07:16.26 | SuKo_Awy | what would you recommend, sorry |
| 07:16.43 | do_guh_new | SuKo_Awy: evolution? |
| 07:16.43 | Aimio | creating Z to Z irda link to play LAN game not too hard? |
| 07:16.58 | SuKo_Awy | Aimio: lol |
| 07:17.24 | SuKo_Awy | do_guh_new: i heard that synchronisation with Evolution doesn't work? |
| 07:17.48 | do_guh_new | SuKo_Awy: oh well I havent heard either way if you heard that then it's probaly true as I wasnt aware of that |
| 07:18.07 | Aimio | there is something to fix evolution i think, hang on |
| 07:18.15 | do_guh_new | there ya go |
| 07:18.50 | do_guh_new | anyone know how to get my terminal black in color? |
| 07:19.05 | do_guh_new | I saw a screenie with this guy having a black bash |
| 07:20.03 | Aimio | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=7 <- evolution.sh |
| 07:20.18 | do_guh_new | ah that killefiz is a hell of a site |
| 07:21.07 | SuKo_Awy | :) |
| 07:21.26 | SuKo_Awy | let's emerge evolution then on my gentoo box |
| 07:21.32 | SuKo_Awy | Thx! |
| 07:21.34 | do_guh_new | :) |
| 07:25.26 | Aimio | Can't get much to install - "unexpected end of file" :/ |
| 07:25.58 | do_guh_new | hmm I've been installing locally without syncing |
| 07:26.14 | do_guh_new | use my z to go to a site then download the file to /home/root/Documents |
| 07:26.23 | do_guh_new | and install it that way |
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| 08:58.35 | do_guh_new | anyone know where to get wallpaper and themes and stuff like that to make my z look cute? |
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| 09:22.52 | lazy^^^boy | hi. what is fastest? sd-card or mmc-card? |
| 09:24.14 | simcon | hi |
| 09:26.14 | simcon | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?MMC%20or%20SD%20card <<<<< MMC or SD |
| 09:27.01 | simcon | lazy^^^boy: look at the link i just posted |
| 09:28.51 | lazy^^^boy | thanks... |
| 09:28.53 | NeoTron | there, Flip It! completely released, Snails announced... |
| 09:29.27 | simcon | lazy^^^boy: personally i'd get an mmc card |
| 09:49.41 | simcon | NeoTron: what's flip it? |
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| 12:12.34 | bobbyd | wohooo! |
| 12:12.41 | bobbyd | my c700 is on the way |
| 12:12.42 | bobbyd | !! |
| 12:19.02 | nessie | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.50 | bobbyd | nessie: you dont like me? :(( |
| 12:22.14 | nessie | bobbyd: I don't have enough money to have a C700 but I dream of it ;o) |
| 12:22.32 | nessie | bobbyd: there are things you should not say so loud ;o) |
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| 12:31.48 | bobbyd | oh ok |
| 12:31.55 | bobbyd | but i just cant wait!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:31.56 | bobbyd | :)) |
| 12:34.41 | nessie | hehe |
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| 12:46.26 | dmalloc | hoi |
| 12:46.29 | dmalloc | I know I know it is a stupid question but would it be smart to switch from the 3.26G rom to an open rom ? |
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| 12:47.23 | bobbyd | dmalloc: i dont know much about it yet, but if you can back everything up, then why dont you just try it out? |
| 12:49.43 | dmalloc | you can back everything up? I am still learning ;) did not think about that and I just have a 64MB CF fgor flashing, that is what I bought it for |
| 12:51.27 | bobbyd | dmalloc: i dont have one yet, i'd maybe ask on #openzaurus |
| 12:51.38 | bobbyd | or check the FAQ at openzaurus website |
| 12:51.56 | dmalloc | I currently learning how to format the SD haha ;) |
| 12:53.21 | bobbyd | heh |
| 12:55.17 | dmalloc | grr.. stupid isp |
| 12:57.44 | dmalloc | compiling on a handheld.. amazing hahaa |
| 12:58.20 | bobbyd | yup |
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| 12:58.26 | bobbyd | that's what i'm getting it for ;) |
| 12:58.56 | supppls | G'day ppls |
| 12:58.57 | dmalloc | pretty damn slow do, cross compiling will get you there faster |
| 12:59.09 | dmalloc | is openssh 1.2.3 the latest for zaurus ? |
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| 13:06.21 | dmalloc | hihi ssh from a zaurus to my mail server hihi |
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| 14:21.35 | java2john | hey |
| 14:23.08 | noidd | any of you guys heard of the 'Geode' cpu ? |
| 14:46.06 | bobbyd | yup |
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| 14:56.58 | java2john | anyone here use jcryptpad ? |
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| 14:57.15 | noidd | i dont; sorry :-/ |
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| 15:40.14 | _oberon | lart himself |
| 15:40.37 | _oberon | ibot lart himself |
| 15:40.44 | _oberon | hrhrhr |
| 15:41.10 | _oberon | ibot debian |
| 15:41.11 | | debian is, like, a Linux-Distribution (http://www.debian.org) or very cool or the best thing since sliced macaroni and cheese, or one of the few respectable distros |
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| 15:54.40 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:04.02 | bobbyd | afternoon ;) |
| 16:06.40 | treke | ~mornin |
| 16:07.16 | bobbyd | woowoo! all aboard the japan express! |
| 16:10.43 | mr_science | howdy |
| 16:11.25 | bobbyd | y0 |
| 16:11.29 | bobbyd | what's up? |
| 16:11.53 | bobbyd | anyone know a good place to get a close up of the c700 in non-keyboard mode ? |
| 16:12.00 | bobbyd | i mean a pic btw ;) |
| 16:12.52 | mr_science | chouimat: on the shaving thing? just so you know, nerdboy has mr_science's beard... :) |
| 16:13.54 | chouimat | ~lart mr_science |
| 16:14.04 | mr_science | ouch! |
| 16:17.23 | treke | bobbyd: http://www.dynamism.com/index.shtml |
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| 16:17.39 | treke | they probably have one |
| 16:20.00 | chouimat | fuck .... no milk fo rmy coffee |
| 16:20.59 | JasonNJ | killefiz is down. damn |
| 16:21.07 | chouimat | hi JasonNJ |
| 16:21.37 | ljp_work | bah! milk is for bablies! |
| 16:21.57 | ljp_work | or babies, which ever you may pick |
| 16:22.13 | chouimat | ljp_work: just put some quick in it |
| 16:22.42 | mr_science | i beg to differ, cafe con leche is the way to go... |
| 16:22.55 | chouimat | "con leche" ? |
| 16:23.08 | ljp_work | nope. cafe de rum is the way... |
| 16:23.12 | mr_science | half espresso, half steamed milk... |
| 16:23.27 | chouimat | mr_science: nah! mocka |
| 16:23.40 | mr_science | ljp_work: gotta do that *after* work... |
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| 16:23.51 | frankps | hi all |
| 16:24.54 | ljp_work | well, if you have that before work, it makes the day more fun |
| 16:26.05 | mr_science | true... |
| 16:30.26 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:30.39 | mr_science | yo |
| 16:33.04 | TheMasterMind1 | sup kergoth |
| 16:33.28 | treke | ~lart postfix |
| 16:33.47 | kergoth | eh? postfix is spiffy |
| 16:34.08 | mr_science | postfix is the only MTA to use... |
| 16:35.35 | coldcut | any1 tried qtopia 1.6 ? |
| 16:37.27 | treke | kergoth: its spiffy, just not liking me this morning :) therefore it gets larted |
| 16:37.41 | kergoth | ah, gotcha |
| 16:37.42 | ljp_work | not yet. I was going to do that this weekend. may compile 1.6 on Sunday, if I find time |
| 16:38.07 | kergoth | hardly worth it, given opie already has just about everything that was spiffy from it |
| 16:39.03 | ljp_work | :) true, but I gotta find out.. |
| 16:39.27 | ljp_work | gotta keep my eye on the competetion |
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| 16:41.04 | warmi | hi |
| 16:41.30 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 16:42.56 | CuCullin | hmmm whats the cheapest spot for flash? newegg? |
| 16:43.19 | treke | compact flash? |
| 16:43.22 | CuCullin | yeah |
| 16:47.18 | bobbyd | www.dabs.com does them cheap ;) |
| 16:47.28 | bobbyd | if you're in the uk that is ;) |
| 16:47.31 | CuCullin | thanks |
| 16:47.32 | CuCullin | ack |
| 16:47.35 | CuCullin | no |
| 16:47.55 | CuCullin | dirty jersey USA |
| 16:48.24 | CuCullin | though I do get regular shipments of flake in from a friend in scotland, but thats as close to the UK as I get :) |
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| 16:54.55 | SuKoShi | hi |
| 16:55.05 | kergoth | hey SuKoShi |
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| 16:58.24 | SuKoShi | hello kergoth |
| 16:58.30 | SuKoShi | how are you? |
| 16:58.54 | SuKoShi | i was very frightened his afternoon |
| 16:59.01 | kergoth | why? |
| 16:59.07 | kergoth | not bad, finally updating the oz unstable feed |
| 16:59.13 | SuKoShi | my Z didnt want to boot ! |
| 16:59.21 | SuKoShi | it was very strange |
| 16:59.30 | SuKoShi | whenever i plug it on ac adapter |
| 16:59.39 | SuKoShi | i push ON |
| 16:59.45 | SuKoShi | nothing |
| 17:00.00 | SuKoShi | after a while i remove the battery |
| 17:00.06 | SuKoShi | plug ac |
| 17:00.11 | SuKoShi | try |
| 17:00.13 | SuKoShi | nothing |
| 17:00.16 | kergoth | weird |
| 17:00.34 | SuKoShi | then i tried again after 10 minutes |
| 17:01.00 | SuKoShi | it booted only if i didnt release the on button |
| 17:01.35 | SuKoShi | i thought maybe i messed up something lets format it |
| 17:01.50 | SuKoShi | and it says not enough power in japanese |
| 17:02.12 | SuKoShi | then i realized that i didn't charge my Z for 4 days |
| 17:02.31 | SuKoShi | even if i use it everyday :p |
| 17:02.48 | kergoth | haha |
| 17:02.54 | kergoth | yeah, when its totallyi drained, it acts weird |
| 17:02.58 | SuKoShi | in fact i thought that i recharged it yesterday but i did not :x |
| 17:03.04 | SuKoShi | yep |
| 17:03.31 | _oberon | how long does the battery last usually? |
| 17:03.32 | SuKoShi | i think it is the max chipset that handle voltage that needs to have minimum power |
| 17:03.46 | _oberon | sl5500g |
| 17:03.49 | SuKoShi | 18 h |
| 17:03.54 | SuKoShi | for 5600 |
| 17:04.13 | _oberon | i got about 2h thats it |
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| 17:04.15 | SuKoShi | these days i use it as a pda for PIM purpose |
| 17:04.19 | kergoth | SuKoShi: it immediately shuts it self back off after turning it off if it detects a voltage below a certain level |
| 17:04.26 | kergoth | er |
| 17:04.28 | kergoth | after turning it on |
| 17:04.29 | bobbyd | can you set the clock speed in code yourself? |
| 17:04.32 | kergoth | i read the battery driver |
| 17:04.35 | kergoth | and rewrote it |
| 17:04.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:04.46 | SuKoShi | bobbyd:yes it is possible |
| 17:04.56 | bobbyd | cool |
| 17:05.00 | SuKoShi | bobbyd: you can also overclock / underclock it |
| 17:05.25 | SuKoShi | kergoth: that is the purpose of my last email with a jap. link |
| 17:05.28 | bobbyd | i want to maybe try to do an optimised port of libmad and clock it right down to get long battery life |
| 17:05.29 | kergoth | shit, ran out of hard disk space due to buildroots |
| 17:05.36 | bobbyd | if someone didnt do it already |
| 17:05.49 | SuKoShi | bobbyd: libmad? |
| 17:06.21 | bobbyd | it's an opensource mp3 lib |
| 17:06.22 | SuKoShi | i use autospeedstep on my gentoo based laptop (PIII speedstep in it) |
| 17:06.33 | bobbyd | someone probably did it already ;) |
| 17:06.41 | bobbyd | cool |
| 17:06.49 | SuKoShi | bobbyd: ok, the japanese article i mentionned told this too |
| 17:06.50 | kergoth | optimize for what? its already integer only |
| 17:06.51 | bobbyd | does anyone know the street price of the c700 in japan? |
| 17:07.02 | SuKoShi | 60000 yen |
| 17:07.03 | bobbyd | kergoth: for the XSCALE |
| 17:07.08 | kergoth | bobbyd: ? |
| 17:07.16 | kergoth | bobbyd: just build it with gcc3 and the appropriate optimization flags |
| 17:07.22 | kergoth | bobbyd: the OZ buildsystem already does so |
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| 17:07.43 | SuKoShi | dmalloc: hi |
| 17:07.48 | bobbyd | kergoth: i havent checked it out lately, but last time i looked it seemed some progress could be made by writing some asm |
| 17:07.49 | kergoth | yo dmalloc |
| 17:07.51 | bobbyd | it was a long time ago though |
| 17:07.57 | kergoth | bobbyd: sure, seems reasonable |
| 17:08.09 | SuKoShi | bobb |
| 17:08.12 | kergoth | bobbyd: but there arent many instructions that are armv5 specific that would benefit you |
| 17:08.17 | SuKoShi | bobbyd: where are you from? |
| 17:08.19 | kergoth | bobbyd: but general ARM asm would help i'm sure |
| 17:08.35 | dmalloc | hello SuKoShi, say a question out of curiosity, do the japanese zaurus models have a japanese keyboard ? ;) |
| 17:08.53 | kergoth | dmalloc: c700 in japan is a qwerty keyboard with japanese modifiers |
| 17:08.53 | SuKoShi | dmalloc: japanese enabled, like the c700 |
| 17:08.57 | bobbyd | SuKoShi: uk |
| 17:09.12 | dmalloc | SuKoShi: ah.. neat ;) |
| 17:09.28 | bobbyd | kergoth: i was looking specifically at the SIMD stuff |
| 17:09.31 | SuKoShi | dmalloc: C700 / B500 is the same qwerty keyboard + 2 specifics keys |
| 17:09.50 | SuKoShi | lol |
| 17:10.05 | dmalloc | just because It would be cool to be on top for once haha |
| 17:10.06 | kergoth | dmalloc: shiop.conics.net, grab the c700 there |
| 17:10.13 | SuKoShi | for you, i prefer not to receive money |
| 17:10.21 | dmalloc | hehe I can imagine |
| 17:10.27 | bobbyd | kergoth: do you know anyone who actually bought one from there? |
| 17:10.29 | dmalloc | kergoth: and they ship to europe ? ;) |
| 17:10.34 | SuKoShi | as i think to pay wih my amex it will be ok there |
| 17:10.37 | bobbyd | dmalloc: i'm getting one from there |
| 17:10.49 | bobbyd | £375 inc P&P |
| 17:10.57 | kergoth | bobbyd: couple people in here have |
| 17:10.59 | SuKoShi | 550euros for me ;) |
| 17:11.02 | kergoth | bobbyd: dont recall their names |
| 17:11.02 | bobbyd | kergoth: cool |
| 17:11.05 | dmalloc | bobbyd: well I have tio sell my sl5500G first then. |
| 17:11.23 | bobbyd | he's making about 30 quid, which is ok by me |
| 17:11.32 | SuKoShi | kergoth: still nothing for me to bite in? |
| 17:11.44 | bobbyd | SuKoShi: i'm in scotland at the moment, where're you from? |
| 17:11.56 | kergoth | SuKoShi: no, opie/qt/e needs keyboad bits yet |
| 17:11.59 | kergoth | SuKoShi: keyboard rather |
| 17:12.07 | SuKoShi | France, you know the fucking silly peaceful people land ;) |
| 17:12.38 | SuKoShi | kergoth: oh yes the differences you mentionned about corgi / poodle etc ... |
| 17:12.40 | bobbyd | yeah, i've been there loads of times, it's bon |
| 17:13.15 | kergoth | SuKoShi: right. qt/e's keyboard handling is hardcodeed, i need to rewrite it |
| 17:13.40 | dmalloc | are there stable usbnet patches against 2.4.20 or do I need to patch that myself ? |
| 17:13.52 | SuKoShi | dmalloc: i'll try to bring back two C700 from japan, one should be for me if i prefer it than my B500 the other one will be on ebay |
| 17:14.06 | dmalloc | teehee ebay ;) |
| 17:14.07 | SuKoShi | dmalloc: do it by yourself |
| 17:14.10 | kergoth | dmalloc: I have one that seems to work, whats your email? |
| 17:14.27 | dmalloc | Master@useme.net (don`t ask ;) ) |
| 17:14.31 | SuKoShi | sukoshi@free.fr (want to try) |
| 17:14.48 | dmalloc | SuKoShi: oh well what is the difference in performance between b500 and c700 ? |
| 17:14.56 | SuKoShi | same hardware |
| 17:15.02 | SuKoShi | different formfactor |
| 17:15.03 | dmalloc | form factor then |
| 17:15.05 | dmalloc | ah |
| 17:15.05 | kergoth | dmalloc: same. c700 has a different formfactor and 640x480 screen |
| 17:15.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:15.08 | SuKoShi | bigger screen on C700 |
| 17:15.17 | dmalloc | naw.. that |
| 17:15.21 | SuKoShi | better batery on B500 |
| 17:15.22 | dmalloc | is too big for me anyways |
| 17:15.30 | kergoth | eh? |
| 17:15.34 | kergoth | its not "big" |
| 17:15.37 | kergoth | the screen is the same size |
| 17:15.42 | SuKoShi | B500 = sl5600 = sl5500 formfactor |
| 17:16.00 | SuKoShi | dmalloc: http://sukoshi.free.fr/zaurus/ |
| 17:16.04 | kergoth | yep, and c700 is around the same physical size as well. slightly shorter and wider |
| 17:16.18 | dmalloc | I wonder if I should bother going through this, after all this sl5500G is 3 days old |
| 17:16.26 | dmalloc | oh well that teaches me to research before buying |
| 17:16.43 | kergoth | dmalloc, SuKoShi: YGM |
| 17:16.44 | SuKoShi | dmalloc: the B500 is less slight than 5500 at the back because of 1700Mah battery |
| 17:16.59 | SuKoShi | YGM ? |
| 17:17.03 | kergoth | you got mail |
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| 17:17.11 | SuKoShi | thx :p |
| 17:17.19 | SuKoShi | YGM sound too AOL for me lol |
| 17:17.34 | coldcut | any update on the ROM Update issue guys? is qtopia 1.6 release gonna change anything? |
| 17:17.42 | kergoth | SuKoShi: hehe |
| 17:17.49 | kergoth | coldcut: doubt it, but ya never know |
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| 17:18.13 | SuKoShi | coldcut: as Sharp pays... i don't think so... |
| 17:18.29 | SuKoShi | but, maybe after american release of 5600... |
| 17:18.59 | coldcut | :~/ so OpenZaurus is still the only viable upgrade path |
| 17:19.04 | dmalloc | SuKoShi: hehe a SL5500G costs 605Euro here |
| 17:19.06 | kergoth | yep, pretty much |
| 17:19.09 | dmalloc | quite stunning no ? |
| 17:19.15 | kergoth | speaking of which, rc3 will be out within days |
| 17:19.25 | SuKoShi | 550 from japan :) |
| 17:19.40 | SuKoShi | dmalloc: you're lucky because i can't buy ANY Z in France |
| 17:20.20 | dmalloc | Lisa Systems in Hamburg |
| 17:20.26 | SuKoShi | interesting |
| 17:20.43 | SuKoShi | what did they do? |
| 17:20.50 | kergoth | Lisa systems? i know them, one of their guys was going the opie mail2 client, iirc |
| 17:21.00 | treke | lisa still in business? |
| 17:21.49 | kergoth | yeah, me too |
| 17:22.08 | dmalloc | apparently most of the lwo level implementations. Driver etc etc. |
| 17:22.08 | dmalloc | kergoth: yes ;) |
| 17:22.08 | dmalloc | dunno exactly though |
| 17:22.08 | dmalloc | my cable modem likes rebooting in themiddle of a conversation |
| 17:22.09 | dmalloc | <grr> |
| 17:22.27 | dmalloc | Thanks for that patch |
| 17:22.30 | kergoth | lisa did drivers for embedix? |
| 17:22.41 | kergoth | so its them I should be cursing on a daily basis, not lineo? |
| 17:22.42 | kergoth | ;) |
| 17:23.02 | SuKoShi | LOL |
| 17:23.20 | kergoth | the drivers in all the Z kernels are atrocious |
| 17:23.34 | dmalloc | kergoth: both I guess, they do work together with lineo as far as I understood |
| 17:23.46 | dmalloc | but if you want I'll get you my friends email and you can discuss with him |
| 17:23.52 | kergoth | doesnt matter much |
| 17:24.01 | kergoth | they suck. i dont care who i blame, i'll just rewrite them anyway |
| 17:24.31 | SuKoShi | kergoth: does the C700 1.0rom has memory leakage problem? |
| 17:24.33 | dmalloc | I started learning arm asm yesterday haha.-. reminds me of my university days |
| 17:24.39 | kergoth | dmalloc: arm asm rocks |
| 17:24.41 | bobbyd | kergoth: how heavy is the c700? handy or brik-like? |
| 17:24.44 | kergoth | dmalloc: it really does. i like it alot |
| 17:24.54 | kergoth | bobbyd: light, portable, and well built |
| 17:24.58 | kergoth | bobbyd: the hardware is quite impressive |
| 17:25.00 | bobbyd | i spent 2 years programming AGB's ;) |
| 17:25.12 | bobbyd | so i know some asm ;) |
| 17:25.14 | SuKoShi | AGB? |
| 17:25.22 | bobbyd | game boy advance |
| 17:25.32 | SuKoShi | that's what i thought |
| 17:25.43 | dmalloc | kergoth: as much fun as Ti80i ? |
| 17:25.49 | bobbyd | nintendo always give them stupid names fo development |
| 17:26.00 | kergoth | bobbyd: have you fallen in love with conditional execution, the multiple register load/store instructions, and the handy dandy barrel shifter yet/ |
| 17:26.03 | kergoth | bobbyd: :) |
| 17:26.17 | bobbyd | kergoth: i used to code for the archimedes |
| 17:26.23 | bobbyd | its all i've ever known ;) |
| 17:26.39 | bobbyd | arm 2/3/7strongarm xscale ;) |
| 17:26.44 | kergoth | before this, i only knew x86 asm |
| 17:26.47 | bobbyd | ahh |
| 17:26.48 | kergoth | this is like.. night & day |
| 17:26.48 | bobbyd | smelly |
| 17:26.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:26.50 | kergoth | very |
| 17:27.01 | bobbyd | arm asm *makes* *sense* |
| 17:27.04 | kergoth | yes |
| 17:27.08 | kergoth | guy on #kernelnewbies once said |
| 17:27.11 | kergoth | arm assembly reads like poetry |
| 17:27.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:27.40 | SuKoShi | i used to code a little 68K asm on my Amiga |
| 17:28.12 | kergoth | bobbyd: you ever see that typed assembly language? scary shit |
| 17:28.13 | SuKoShi | x86 made me stop my interest in coding |
| 17:28.20 | kergoth | bobbyd: ASM w/ type checking! |
| 17:28.31 | bobbyd | dmalloc: no c/c++/java/ruby/perl/php/html |
| 17:28.38 | bobbyd | kergoth: nope |
| 17:28.50 | kergoth | its sick and twisted and amusing on some level :) |
| 17:28.59 | dmalloc | bobbyd: C since it was released by K&R and a bit of Perl. I know my way around sh/bash/csh and os on as well |
| 17:29.10 | dmalloc | but no OO for me, no thank you sire |
| 17:29.37 | kergoth | i know php, c, c++, python, perl, shell, and assembly |
| 17:33.05 | SuKoShi | kergoth: i'm curious, would you explain me wha you need to code for keyboard mapping on Opie? what do you mean by hardcoded? |
| 17:33.23 | kergoth | SuKoShi: get the qt/embedded source |
| 17:33.32 | kergoth | SuKoShi: read src/kernel/qkeyboard_qws.cpp |
| 17:33.38 | SuKoShi | ok ! |
| 17:33.51 | SuKoShi | from trolltech.com? |
| 17:33.56 | bobbyd | dmalloc: i love OO, but that doesnt mean c++, i do OO in asm ;) |
| 17:34.12 | bobbyd | anyway, lets not start a religious war, it's seldom useful ;) |
| 17:34.17 | kergoth | SuKoShi: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/pub/qtopia/source/qt-embedded-2.3.4.tar.gz |
| 17:34.22 | kergoth | aha |
| 17:34.26 | dmalloc | :) |
| 17:34.44 | kergoth | dmalloc: OO is a way of thinking. whether the language has handy dandy tools to make it easy is a completely different thing :) |
| 17:34.56 | dmalloc | kergoth: yupp |
| 17:38.06 | bobbyd | i just cant wait for it to turn up |
| 17:38.17 | kergoth | turn up? |
| 17:38.22 | bobbyd | i'm getting hysterical |
| 17:38.25 | bobbyd | my c700 |
| 17:38.35 | kergoth | ah, you ordered it? |
| 17:38.42 | bobbyd | i check my mail like every minute for news |
| 17:38.44 | bobbyd | yup ;) |
| 17:38.50 | bobbyd | looks so niiiice |
| 17:38.51 | SuKoShi | eheheh |
| 17:40.13 | SuKoShi | pocketpctechs.com needs someone to send them a C700 so that they'll study memory upgrade |
| 17:41.47 | bobbyd | SuKoShi: i wore mine down ;) |
| 17:41.58 | SuKoShi | :p |
| 17:42.20 | bobbyd | i have the cash anyway |
| 17:45.43 | bobbyd | it's amazing that OZ runs on the ipaq |
| 17:45.47 | bobbyd | i think it's very cool |
| 17:46.16 | kergoth | it runs on the webpal, ipaq, 5500/5000d, ramses, ads dev board, and c700.. and shortly b500/5600 and a300 |
| 17:46.32 | bobbyd | it's truly a universal OS |
| 17:46.37 | bobbyd | i want it to run on my gp32 ;) |
| 17:46.48 | SuKoShi | bobbyd: LOL |
| 17:46.53 | bobbyd | but i think 8 megs of ram and 512k flash is not enough |
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| 17:47.05 | SuKoShi | never tried the Korean machine yet |
| 17:47.07 | kergoth | bobbyd: 512k wouldnt even be enough for a linux kernel.. |
| 17:47.18 | kergoth | bobbyd: the real scalability problem here is of linux itself |
| 17:47.33 | bobbyd | kergoth: couldnt you stick all that on the SMC and just have a small boot loader in flash |
| 17:47.48 | kergoth | bobbyd: yeah, forgot about that |
| 17:47.57 | bobbyd | is 8 megs enough? |
| 17:48.03 | kergoth | bobbyd: its a _smartcard_ reader? is that supported by the bootloader? |
| 17:48.05 | kergoth | of ram? should be |
| 17:48.32 | bobbyd | kergoth: smartmedia, i can write a native boot loader to read the boot image |
| 17:49.07 | bobbyd | if that's all it needs to kick start it |
| 17:49.23 | bobbyd | bah, what am i on about, when am i going to get time to do all that ;) |
| 17:49.24 | kergoth | yeah. could even port an existing bootlaoder and add support for that reader |
| 17:49.29 | bobbyd | cool |
| 17:49.30 | bobbyd | ;) |
| 17:51.24 | bobbyd | it would be cool to have another small pda,,, |
| 17:52.05 | SuKoShi | has anyone thought about porting OZ to Dell Axim? |
| 17:52.33 | SuKoShi | kergoth: OZ will soon become OpenEmbedded no? or will it be another project? |
| 17:52.35 | kergoth | SuKoShi: we need specs from dell. they have been contacted |
| 17:52.46 | kergoth | SuKoShi: OZ is one distribution built by the openembedded infrastructure |
| 17:52.51 | kergoth | SuKoShi: OE is a bit larger scale |
| 17:53.41 | warmi | SuKoShi: you own Axim ? |
| 17:53.46 | bobbyd | "what are we going to do tonight brain?" |
| 17:53.56 | bobbyd | "tonight pinky, we take over the world!" |
| 17:54.40 | SuKoShi | warmi: no but i thought about it when i was choosing between a B500 or another PDA |
| 17:55.02 | cbok | KG - well, apparenlty i may be in MN next week |
| 17:55.11 | cbok | KG - so we'll have to see if we can match schedulez |
| 17:55.54 | mewyn` | i really wish there was something to enter my financial data on my Z and import it into gnucash |
| 17:55.58 | warmi | I think I am going to get one and put OE/OZ on my current ipaq |
| 17:56.09 | warmi | I am not gonna wait for c700 - that is a waste of time |
| 17:56.12 | SuKoShi | warmi: when i think i first thought about buying a cheap B&W clie, then a Ipaq ... |
| 17:56.21 | mewyn` | warmi: could always go dynamism |
| 17:56.28 | kergoth | or shop.conics.net |
| 17:56.28 | SuKoShi | all Ipaq are supported? |
| 17:56.31 | kergoth | $560 or whatever |
| 17:56.48 | warmi | mewyn: yeah .. right ... |
| 17:57.06 | warmi | kergoth: yeah but who knows what the hell will happen with Sharp |
| 17:57.11 | SuKoShi | mewyn: Do try Zmoney |
| 17:57.13 | mewyn` | yeah |
| 17:57.16 | mewyn` | Zmoney? |
| 17:57.17 | warmi | OZ works on ipaq pretty well |
| 17:57.37 | treke | SuKoShi: not all ipaqs |
| 17:57.42 | SuKoShi | warmi: every Ipaq? even 39xx series? |
| 17:57.47 | kergoth | SuKoShi: not yet |
| 17:57.51 | treke | SuKoShi: the 3900 doesnt work yet |
| 17:58.03 | kergoth | treke: any progress with 2.4.19? |
| 17:58.06 | warmi | no, the one I own - 38xx |
| 17:58.08 | SuKoShi | mewyn: Zmoney can be found on killefiz.de |
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| 17:58.15 | kergoth | yo bipolar |
| 17:58.20 | mewyn` | sukoshi: i figured, i'm looking right now |
| 17:58.24 | treke | SuKoShi: the 3100 probably doesnt work, but it's just a matter of making an image with the jffs2 settings for that machine |
| 17:58.49 | kergoth | treke: the ipaq opie build is enabling the low color option too right? Z build is just 16,32 |
| 17:58.51 | SuKoShi | kergoth: If opie project needs a cashmanagement soft, do have a look at Zmoney, moreover i'm in touch with the Author as betatesting it on Xscale. |
| 17:58.53 | treke | kergoth: yeah, It's in my local repository. I just need to fix the preempt patch, it doesnt quite apply cleanly |
| 17:59.17 | kergoth | treke: cool |
| 17:59.24 | warmi | SuKoShi; you got 5600 right ? |
| 17:59.26 | kergoth | SuKoShi: ah, cool :) |
| 17:59.31 | kergoth | warmi: b500 |
| 17:59.40 | treke | kergoth: I'd have to check. |
| 17:59.55 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:59.55 | warmi | is that the same device as far as hardware is concerned ? |
| 17:59.56 | kergoth | my cell phone's caller id says i have a call from "0" |
| 17:59.58 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 18:00.06 | kergoth | warmi: yeah, cept for the japanese modifiers i'm sure |
| 18:00.13 | SuKoShi | kergoth: another thing : the author wants to know if Zmoney works fine on C700 |
| 18:00.22 | kergoth | SuKoShi: i dunno, i'll test it when i have a chance |
| 18:00.24 | treke | SuKoShi: The thing with ipaqs is that for the most part a 3600, a 3700, and a 3800 are identical |
| 18:00.29 | SuKoShi | kergoth: he recently changed his code to use SQLite |
| 18:00.53 | warmi | SuKoShi: good choice he made ( do I sound like Yoda ? ) |
| 18:00.56 | mewyn` | sukoshi: zmoney looks nice. i really would like the program to sync with gnucash |
| 18:01.21 | SuKoShi | treke: in december when i was choosing a PDA i wanted an Ipaq for familiar, but i've read it was working just on 36xx |
| 18:01.44 | warmi | I hate when people release source code only in bz format |
| 18:01.47 | SuKoShi | mewyn: do ask the author for a gnucash sync tool :) |
| 18:01.50 | warmi | I can' read that stuff from Windows |
| 18:02.00 | treke | SuKoShi: December of 2002? |
| 18:02.06 | mewyn` | warmi: get cygwin |
| 18:02.10 | SuKoShi | warmi: www.7-zip.com handles this, noN |
| 18:02.12 | SuKoShi | ? |
| 18:02.28 | SuKoShi | treke: december 2002, yes |
| 18:02.49 | mewyn` | the best thing about gnucash is i can instantly see where all my money is going |
| 18:02.57 | treke | SuKoShi: You might have gotten confused by references to h3600, but 3800 support was pretty solid by around july. |
| 18:03.29 | SuKoShi | never mind, i think my B500 was a very good choice. i don't like the jacket system from Ipaqs |
| 18:03.31 | mr_woody | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8715305612.html |
| 18:03.54 | warmi | mewyn: you can;t really compare a full blown app like gnucash ( which itself is pathetic when compared to say Quicken) to a PDA app like zmoney |
| 18:04.00 | treke | the b500 looks like a pretty cool device. |
| 18:04.33 | mewyn` | warmi: yah, on a pda all i want is to record and then import |
| 18:04.38 | warmi | yep |
| 18:04.54 | SuKoShi | Zmoney really rocks |
| 18:05.06 | warmi | I haven't tried zmoney - it does look cool |
| 18:05.13 | SuKoShi | kergoth: Do you know if HandSKK author contacted harlekin? |
| 18:05.15 | kergoth | SuKoShi: if its better than opie-checkbook, which i'm sure it is, we should see about getting it in Opie |
| 18:05.20 | warmi | I will have to try to see if it also "feels" the same |
| 18:05.22 | kergoth | SuKoShi: not certain, ask him. he's in #opie iirc |
| 18:05.33 | mewyn` | when i actually start getting income i want to use these type of programs to see exactly where my money goes |
| 18:06.27 | warmi | yeah, we do use Quicken and it is very cool to see exactly how much money you spent on books or on hardware etc ... |
| 18:06.35 | SuKoShi | mewyn': do like me, don't have money lol |
| 18:06.37 | kergoth | i hate quicken |
| 18:06.39 | kergoth | its depressing |
| 18:06.49 | warmi | of course, you have to be somewhat organized and remember to input everything you spend into Quicken .. heh |
| 18:06.49 | kergoth | quicken: "Hi, your net worth is -14,273" |
| 18:06.52 | kergoth | me: "fuck you." |
| 18:06.55 | warmi | heh |
| 18:06.59 | SuKoShi | warmi: Quicken works with Wine? |
| 18:07.15 | mewyn` | sukoshi: i really wish i could do that. i hate money, i really really do |
| 18:07.17 | warmi | SuKoShi: I have no clue - I have never used Wine for anything |
| 18:07.48 | mewyn` | but it's unavoidable. especially for the lifestyle i prefer to live |
| 18:08.01 | SuKoShi | warmi: so you use it on windows... i only tried a free ms money crappy soft once |
| 18:08.20 | mewyn` | sukoshi: i'm not sure about the normal version of wine, but it works under crossover office |
| 18:08.22 | warmi | SuKoShi: I don't really use it - my wife does |
| 18:08.33 | warmi | but yeah, she runs it on Windows |
| 18:09.20 | warmi | I don't know if MS MOney is crappy - I have read they have improved that software considerably - of course we don't care at this point since Quicken works fine |
| 18:09.59 | mewyn` | my friends have always used money and they like it |
| 18:10.00 | SuKoShi | i think it was money |
| 18:10.08 | SuKoShi | i think it was money 2K that i tried |
| 18:10.10 | mewyn` | for your average person, you don't need anything too fancy |
| 18:10.21 | mewyn` | hence why gnucash is great for me |
| 18:12.18 | mewyn` | warmi: you actually go into the office today? |
| 18:13.02 | warmi | what's so special about today ? |
| 18:13.23 | mewyn` | well you worked from home the other day |
| 18:13.48 | warmi | I told you - we get to do that only once or twice per month |
| 18:13.56 | mewyn` | ah, right |
| 18:13.58 | warmi | I wish I could do that more often |
| 18:14.54 | mewyn` | i bet |
| 18:14.58 | mewyn` | especially in the winter |
| 18:15.07 | warmi | actually almost entire office ( dev guys) went out for a long lunch to Devon |
| 18:15.14 | mewyn` | if you see wolak, give him a little bugging for me :) |
| 18:15.14 | warmi | like 2-3 hours lunch |
| 18:15.17 | Neo|Work | hey there |
| 18:15.41 | mewyn` | you guys and your long lunches |
| 18:16.01 | kergoth | hey neo |
| 18:16.05 | mewyn` | i'd get run through if i took a 1:05 lunch at CDW |
| 18:18.00 | mewyn` | eep |
| 18:18.54 | mewyn` | yah, warmi, see if you can tell him to give me a job :) hehe |
| 18:20.01 | Neo|Work | <hypnotizing>Go get Flip It! you need Flip It!</> |
| 18:20.03 | warmi | yeah, I saw him |
| 18:20.16 | warmi | I remind him about that every now and then |
| 18:21.00 | warmi | mewyn: they went out to Devon only because our manager is in LA ... normally they wouldn't go for a 3 hour lunch - no the entire office |
| 18:21.11 | mewyn` | well... at least my net assets are positive. |
| 18:23.04 | Neo|Work | ibot zfi |
| 18:23.15 | warmi | anyone seen that movie "Gods and Generals " or something like that / |
| 18:23.19 | warmi | ? |
| 18:23.56 | Neo|Work | hmm. zfi seems broken |
| 18:24.02 | Neo|Work | no updates since Jan 22nd |
| 18:24.15 | Neo|Work | who's behind zfi again? |
| 18:24.20 | mewyn` | warmi: my friends saw it |
| 18:24.24 | mewyn` | they said it was ok |
| 18:24.28 | warmi | ok |
| 18:24.36 | warmi | I think I am going to see that this weekend |
| 18:25.12 | warmi | zfi seems to look fine as far as http interface is concerned |
| 18:25.44 | Neo|Work | right but it's not being updated |
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| 18:25.49 | Neo|Work | thus, not working correctly. :P |
| 18:26.02 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i thought it automatically parsed the feeds? |
| 18:26.05 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 18:26.11 | warmi | how do you submit a new app there ? |
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| 18:26.46 | kergoth | warmi: unnecessary |
| 18:26.53 | kergoth | warmi: if your app is on any of its parsed feeds, its already there |
| 18:27.08 | Neo|Work | kergoth: well, that's the idea. however it doesn't. :P |
| 18:27.10 | warmi | ah ok |
| 18:27.18 | kergoth | well yeah, apparently |
| 18:27.22 | kergoth | was quite cool when it was working |
| 18:27.26 | kergoth | i'm trying to remember the guys name who ran it |
| 18:27.31 | kergoth | used to come in here |
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| 18:27.46 | warmi | yeah, it looks like zfi hasn't been updated in a while .. |
| 18:27.52 | Guest | re |
| 18:27.55 | Neo|Work | used to as in doesn't already? |
| 18:28.04 | Neo|Work | s/already/still/ even |
| 18:28.17 | kergoth | afaik.. i dont think i've seen the person in some time |
| 18:28.22 | kergoth | but i'm drawing a blank on their nick |
| 18:28.24 | kergoth | hrm |
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| 18:29.34 | Twiun | ibot: seen killefiz |
| 18:29.35 | | killefiz <~sven@ach9-d9bbaa9c.pool.mediaWays.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #opie, 8d 1h 53m 17s ago, saying: 'i had it working with kde from cvs'. |
| 18:33.39 | mewyn` | gah. need to find a new battery for my mouse |
| 18:34.22 | Neo|Work | kergoth: unfortunately ibot doesn't have any info since it just lists crap about it. :P |
| 18:34.25 | Neo|Work | ibot tell me about zfi |
| 18:34.43 | Neo|Work | well, no info on the maker there either |
| 18:34.46 | kergoth | hrm |
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| 18:51.22 | darienm | anseror: http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 18:51.28 | darienm | That who you're looking for? |
| 18:51.49 | darienm | anseror: hey guys, if you have suggestions about how to improve zfi, what features need to be added, etc, let me or numatrix know. |
| 18:52.19 | treke | darienm: Dependency info would be great |
| 18:52.39 | darienm | whoa, don't tell ME. Tell 'anseror' or 'numatrix' |
| 18:53.00 | treke | hehe you said you :) |
| 18:53.07 | darienm | I'm just copy/pasting old logs from September. |
| 18:53.18 | treke | ah |
| 18:53.49 | kergoth | ah, that seems right |
| 18:53.54 | kergoth | anselor or whatever |
| 18:53.56 | kergoth | numatrix is still around |
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| 18:59.35 | Neo|Work | numatrix is even here |
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| 18:59.47 | Neo|Work | numatrix: ZFI doesn't seem to be updating |
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| 19:27.20 | mewyn` | *yawn* |
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| 21:03.49 | gaurdian | hmm.... |
| 21:04.10 | gaurdian | anyone know where I could find it ? apparently there are 5500's that were sold with rom 2.39] |
| 21:04.11 | Neo|Work | hrm indeed |
| 21:04.23 | Neo|Work | "it"? |
| 21:04.26 | Neo|Work | it what/ |
| 21:04.26 | gaurdian | I have seen references to it on the net |
| 21:04.40 | gaurdian | Sharp Rom 2.39 for the Z |
| 21:05.04 | kergoth | probably just 2.38 with a different mtdram size or something |
| 21:05.25 | gaurdian | mtdram ? |
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| 21:06.00 | SuKoShi | kergoth: R U there? |
| 21:06.17 | gaurdian | well it would make sence for a new rom to come out since qtopia 1.6 has been released |
| 21:06.21 | kergoth | SuKoShi: yeah |
| 21:06.28 | kergoth | gaurdian: mtdram = the persistant ramdisk |
| 21:06.40 | gaurdian | ahh, ok |
| 21:06.46 | kergoth | I cant see sharp releasing a new rom and putting effort into the 5000d/5500 units.. maybe they'll prove me wrong |
| 21:06.49 | SuKoShi | you can have a look on usbnet.c i use for months : http://laurent.lieben.free.fr/kernel/usbnet.c |
| 21:07.06 | kergoth | SuKoShi: how does that differ from the one in 2.4.21-pre5? |
| 21:07.18 | oGMo | kergoth: they've got you working on OZ, they don't need to spend their time ;) |
| 21:07.25 | kergoth | oGMo: fuckers |
| 21:07.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:07.30 | oGMo | :) |
| 21:07.35 | SuKoShi | frankly, i made it in december, so i think it changed a lot by this time |
| 21:07.48 | oGMo | man i should upgrade to one of the 3.1pre's |
| 21:07.49 | kergoth | I'm tempted to start selling the prebuilt OZ images for like 10 bucks or something, making buildroot freely available |
| 21:07.57 | kergoth | I'm spending a _lot_ of time on this project |
| 21:08.24 | oGMo | kergoth: you use paypal or anything? you could just ask people to donate |
| 21:08.50 | oGMo | or allow people to |
| 21:09.06 | Neo|Work | gaurdian: I doubt we'll see a 1.6 qtopia rom any time soon |
| 21:09.46 | Neo|Work | oGMo: people don't donate in general though. :P |
| 21:10.00 | oGMo | Neo|Work: i dunno |
| 21:10.09 | oGMo | i donate depending on the cause ;P |
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| 21:10.34 | oGMo | wtf, sharp won't build a newer SD module? gah |
| 21:10.37 | kergoth | oGMo: yeah, paypal links are on the site for myself and noda (he's the openzaurus.org web designer) |
| 21:10.56 | oGMo | kergoth: oh |
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| 21:11.01 | oGMo | hrm |
| 21:11.04 | mdz_ | will a 256MB SD card work in the SL-5500? |
| 21:11.11 | kergoth | I never said anything about it though on the news page or announcmenets |
| 21:11.13 | kergoth | probably should |
| 21:11.28 | oGMo | aha... you might make them more visible, i would _never_ look there ;) |
| 21:11.48 | gaurdian | yes a 256 sd will work |
| 21:12.05 | kergoth | oGMo: where else would we put it? :) |
| 21:12.21 | oGMo | or you could be _really_ evil... "OZ 3.1 final release: only $2000 away!" |
| 21:12.27 | SuKoShi | LOL |
| 21:12.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:12.49 | SuKoShi | can i send french cheese by PayPal ? ;) |
| 21:12.50 | kergoth | nah, i was tempted though |
| 21:12.54 | mdz_ | gaurdian: thanks. Any card? I seem to recall there were problems with some brands or something |
| 21:13.07 | gaurdian | I use Sandisk and it works fine for me |
| 21:13.07 | kergoth | I spend like 10-20 hours a week on this |
| 21:13.08 | kergoth | at least |
| 21:13.16 | oGMo | kergoth: a "please donate" link off the front page would be nice, even " * Credits and Donations" or the like |
| 21:13.23 | kergoth | yeah, good idea |
| 21:16.22 | kergoth | I hate to solicit for donations like that, but time is money |
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| 21:17.02 | kergoth | oGMo: wb |
| 21:17.09 | mr_science | mdz_: don't buy sandisk |
| 21:17.13 | oGMo_ | re |
| 21:17.20 | mr_science | mdz_: the new ones just plain suck |
| 21:17.28 | mr_science | i had to return mine |
| 21:17.52 | mdz_ | hmm, conflicting opinions |
| 21:18.03 | kergoth | ~lart libtool |
| 21:18.03 | gaurdian | well, my Sandisk cards are fine |
| 21:18.11 | kergoth | mdz_: word is avoid sandisk like the plague |
| 21:18.16 | gaurdian | I have a 128 and a 256 SD |
| 21:18.17 | kergoth | mdz_: from numerous users |
| 21:18.32 | mdz_ | there aren't many options for 256...who else? |
| 21:18.38 | mdz_ | (makes them) |
| 21:18.43 | kergoth | dunno |
| 21:18.46 | kergoth | i've heard lexar work well |
| 21:18.58 | kergoth | i only own a 64mb sandisk myself that a kind user dontated |
| 21:19.00 | kergoth | donated rather |
| 21:19.00 | mr_science | mdz_" pny, lexar, whoever you can find |
| 21:19.25 | mr_science | mdz_: the 64mb I bought was crap |
| 21:19.26 | kergoth | ~lart libtool again |
| 21:19.31 | kergoth | aha |
| 21:19.41 | oGMo | hehe |
| 21:19.50 | kergoth | stupid piece of shit |
| 21:19.51 | mr_science | mdz_: impossible to use as a real filesystem |
| 21:19.52 | kergoth | grr |
| 21:19.58 | oGMo | kergoth: what's up w/ libtool? |
| 21:20.37 | kergoth | oGMo: it absolutely blows for crosscompilation |
| 21:20.42 | kergoth | oGMo: we had to patch teh fuck out of it |
| 21:20.43 | oGMo | kergoth: hrm |
| 21:20.50 | kergoth | incidentally |
| 21:20.55 | kergoth | any .la files will hose the build |
| 21:21.02 | oGMo | weird |
| 21:21.07 | kergoth | becasue it'll add $libdir to the lib search path |
| 21:21.18 | kergoth | which if you've built right, is /usr/lib, not /path/to/my/cross/rootfs/usr/lib |
| 21:21.20 | kergoth | b00m |
| 21:21.38 | kergoth | piece of shit |
| 21:22.25 | oGMo | make $libdir /path/to/my/cross/rootfs/usr/lib? ;) |
| 21:22.44 | kergoth | no, then it hardcodes that path in my binaries |
| 21:22.47 | kergoth | which you dont want |
| 21:22.52 | oGMo | ah |
| 21:22.55 | kergoth | which is why you dont set prefix to a dir on the build system |
| 21:23.05 | kergoth | you use DESTDIR, and add -L's to ldflags manually |
| 21:23.21 | oGMo | can't unset libdir either? |
| 21:23.51 | kergoth | oGMo: its libtool itself that yanks libdir from the .la and adds to the lib search path |
| 21:23.57 | kergoth | oGMo: like i said, we had to patch the fuck out of it :) |
| 21:24.06 | oGMo | kergoth: heh suckage |
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| 21:24.24 | oGMo | i see no mention of cross compilation in the info files which leads me to believe they never even thought of it ;P |
| 21:24.36 | kergoth | not surprising |
| 21:24.48 | kergoth | it doesnt take much to make crosscompilation work, but people rarely give it the thought when they design such systems |
| 21:24.51 | kergoth | and it drives me nuts |
| 21:24.53 | oGMo | yeah given your trouble |
| 21:25.51 | kergoth | the gnu build tools croscompilation handling (read -lack-of-) pisses me off |
| 21:26.17 | oGMo | hrm |
| 21:26.24 | oGMo | i thought auto* handled it fairly well |
| 21:26.49 | kergoth | If i have to copy one more config.cache to override test results for my target arch because auto* dont have any means of pulling in results based on target arch when crosscompiling, i'm going to hit something |
| 21:26.58 | oGMo | i've never really had trouble there, even building a cross gcc is pretty easy for the times i've done it, but i can't recall building anything with libtool |
| 21:27.34 | oGMo | kergoth: you build for the current architecture then do a cross compile? |
| 21:27.55 | kergoth | no, i build said app natively on a Z or skiff |
| 21:28.06 | oGMo | autoconf 2.5x ought to handle caching better now |
| 21:28.08 | kergoth | swipe the test results for type sizes andt he like |
| 21:28.09 | oGMo | kergoth: hrm weird |
| 21:28.10 | kergoth | adn drop them into place |
| 21:28.33 | kergoth | oGMo: 1) 90% of app builds dont set defaultss when using a test |
| 21:28.45 | kergoth | oGMo: 2) the defaults will be wrong for most target archs anyway |
| 21:29.10 | kergoth | what i want, is for it to have a clean structure of test results for various targets |
| 21:29.13 | kergoth | arm-linux, etc |
| 21:29.18 | oGMo | oh i see... we're talking about stuff that's not designed specifically for the Z, too |
| 21:29.19 | kergoth | and pull them in when it picks up a crosscompile |
| 21:29.25 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:29.29 | kergoth | we're talking about crosscompilation |
| 21:29.33 | oGMo | yeah |
| 21:29.36 | kergoth | whether i'm building for the Z or a webpal, doesnt matter |
| 21:30.00 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah, but building packages with autoconf that aren't for the Z specifically, like some GNU tools or other package, right..? |
| 21:30.19 | kergoth | yes, and the app shouldnt _have_ to be for the Z explicitly |
| 21:30.28 | kergoth | crosscompilation is not that complex and should not need manual handling |
| 21:30.28 | oGMo | true |
| 21:30.37 | kergoth | buildroot for example isnt Z specific |
| 21:30.51 | kergoth | and technically isnt arch specific or OS specific either. OE will not be |
| 21:31.23 | kergoth | so i'm going to have to produce a sane set of test results for an assload of targets, then put them in a sane structure and teach the metabuildsystem to copy them in as config.cache files to bitchslap autoconf |
| 21:31.23 | oGMo | otoh, you do need to make sure of certain things in your build process if you're expecting cross compilation, iirc, and much of the autoconf i see barely works on its intended platform |
| 21:31.38 | oGMo | kergoth: that's terrible ;) heh |
| 21:31.49 | kergoth | like i said. it doesnt take a lot of consideration to be able to crosscompile, but most tool developers didnt give it that thought |
| 21:32.02 | oGMo | maybe set up an automatic "You suck" mail to be sent out to authors ;) |
| 21:32.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:32.09 | kergoth | tempting ;) |
| 21:32.12 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah |
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| 21:32.48 | kergoth | so now you see why i complain about auto* and libtool on a regular basis. I'm continually having to do ugly things because they werent designed with the necessary flexibility |
| 21:33.07 | oGMo | yeah |
| 21:33.15 | kergoth | admittedly most builds dont use autoconf and friends to their full capability either |
| 21:33.22 | oGMo | well, in their defense, they can be, but people are dumb |
| 21:33.28 | oGMo | ya |
| 21:33.48 | kergoth | they shouldve had a facility for handling those test results based on target arch when crosscompiling |
| 21:34.01 | kergoth | i dont have any other complaints, everything else is app dev stupidity |
| 21:34.17 | kergoth | or rather lack of foresight, than outright stupidity |
| 21:34.23 | oGMo | yeah, it _should_ be transparent |
| 21:34.52 | kergoth | exactly. there should be a dir in /usr/share filled with spiffy little sets of test results for targets |
| 21:34.59 | kergoth | in fact i'm tempted to patch them up to do so |
| 21:35.08 | kergoth | except i have too many projects already |
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| 21:36.06 | kergoth | oGMo: now of course, this wont solve the case of app devs constructing new tests which wouldnt then be in the supplied configs |
| 21:36.22 | kergoth | oGMo: in which case you'd need a local means of overriding upstream sets of test results |
| 21:36.28 | kergoth | or more adding, than overriding |
| 21:36.37 | oGMo | kergoth: hrm |
| 21:37.26 | kergoth | since config.cache is global, not per target |
| 21:37.28 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:37.31 | kergoth | brb, soda run |
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| 21:41.53 | Twiun | quick question, can I set the default niceness of programs from the commandline without having to run nice -n 20 for each one? |
| 21:44.01 | warmi | can't you just run the shell itself with that niceness level and end up with all children of that shell inheriting "niceness" level of the parent ? |
| 21:44.36 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 21:44.56 | Twiun | yeah, I can afford to burn the extra 2mb for a new shell... haden't thought of it that way |
| 21:45.06 | Twiun | s/haden't/hadn't/ |
| 21:45.11 | Twiun | thanks warmi |
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| 21:45.38 | kergoth | yo treke |
| 21:45.41 | warmi | I am not sure if it work that way but I think children will inherit that particular property ( niceness) |
| 21:46.29 | Twiun | yup, that works fine |
| 21:46.49 | Twiun | didn't want to degrade my xmms listening pleasure because I was compiling something :) |
| 21:47.34 | warmi | your solution is not mess around with nice levels but to get yourself quad CPU desktop machine .. |
| 21:47.38 | warmi | :-0 |
| 21:47.47 | Twiun | as soon as I get a job :) |
| 21:48.03 | Twiun | been drooling over the tomshardware reviews for a few months now |
| 21:48.45 | Twiun | mind you, I should perhaps also invest in some aircon at the same time |
| 21:48.52 | warmi | yeah, I am always in a state of drolling over some piece of hardware which,f or whatever reason, I cannot get at this point ... it is a never ending process |
| 21:49.08 | Neo|Work | a more annoing feature of zsh (I believe) is tht it automatically makes processes niced |
| 21:49.11 | Neo|Work | which is damn annoying |
| 21:49.21 | Neo|Work | reminds me I hve to figure out how to shut that off |
| 21:57.39 | treke | yo |
| 21:58.43 | kergoth | treke: the feed build is still going |
| 21:58.51 | treke | kergoth: ha |
| 21:58.53 | kergoth | treke: so far like 10 packages fail to build for various reasons |
| 21:59.12 | kergoth | bunch of debiani upstream version changes.. a few outright bugs |
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| 22:54.29 | fredmj | hi there, is there a nfsd on my z, and if not how can i make one...? |
| 22:55.50 | treke | kergoth: hopefully none of mine |
| 22:56.30 | treke | or maybe I didnt push those |
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| 23:20.27 | mark_ | ibot: qtopia 1.6 |
| 23:20.28 | | mark_: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 23:21.04 | warmi | ibot RTFM |
| 23:21.09 | | rtfm is probably Read The Fine Product Documentation, or see rtff |
| 23:21.16 | kergoth | ibot: rtff |
| 23:21.18 | | well, rtff is Read The Fine FAQ: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/browse.php |
| 23:21.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:21.28 | kergoth | forgot about that |
| 23:22.26 | warmi | well, too bad we can't run that thing ... |
| 23:22.34 | kergoth | yeah you can, just build it |
| 23:22.44 | kergoth | but opie already incorporated all the good stuff from qtopia 1.6 months ago |
| 23:23.01 | _Psycho | there is a lots of screenshot on trooltech |
| 23:23.12 | kergoth | trool! |
| 23:23.21 | warmi | there is even a screenshot of Qtopia crashing ... |
| 23:23.23 | warmi | j/k |
| 23:23.27 | kergoth | warmi: those arent hard to find |
| 23:23.31 | warmi | heh |
| 23:23.33 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:24.19 | _Psycho | http://www.trolltech.com/screenshots/qtopia.html |
| 23:26.49 | Neo|Work | wow, it definitely has lots of new features |
| 23:27.09 | kergoth | heh, all of which have been in opie for how long now.. :P |
| 23:28.28 | Neo|Work | http://www.trolltech.com/products/qtopia/3rdparty.html?cid=6 |
| 23:28.31 | Neo|Work | coo!!! :P |
| 23:28.38 | Neo|Work | kergoth: that doesn't really matter, now does it? :P |
| 23:28.49 | Neo|Work | point being 1.5-1.6 has changed a lot |
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| 23:31.08 | tboc | when i try to upgrade something with aqpkg i get "aqpkg: error while loading shared libraries: aqpkg: undefined symbol: __8OProcessP7QObjectPCc" whats wrong? |
| 23:31.17 | kergoth | tboc: you upgraded some of opie and not the rest. |
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| 23:31.28 | tboc | kergoth: yeah, aqpkg =) |
| 23:31.29 | kergoth | tboc: or you installed a package from testing/unstable into 3.0, or similar |
| 23:31.31 | kergoth | tboc: _upgrade_ |
| 23:31.43 | mark_ | tboc: you just violated heisenbergs uncertainty principle. bad luck |
| 23:31.51 | tboc | mark_: hrhr |
| 23:31.53 | kergoth | tboc: opie has some serious interdependencies due to API changes, that arent reflected in the package management system due to its unreleased nature |
| 23:32.18 | tboc | kergoth: ok, so i shutdown opie and upgrade with ipkg? |
| 23:32.23 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:32.32 | tboc | k, thx |
| 23:32.34 | kergoth | np |
| 23:32.56 | tboc | grr, ssh to the Z always freezes |
| 23:33.08 | kergoth | works fine here |
| 23:33.11 | kergoth | weird |
| 23:33.25 | tboc | now i got "zaurus login:" and the keyboard doesn't work right |
| 23:33.34 | tboc | -> hard reboot :| |
| 23:33.45 | kergoth | login and b0rked keyboard = opie segfaulted |
| 23:33.55 | kergoth | and thereby wasnt able to correct the keyboard mode |
| 23:34.00 | tboc | kergoth: hmm, i just told opie to shutdown =) |
| 23:34.13 | tboc | kergoth: and after all it did ... somehow ;) |
| 23:34.16 | kergoth | tboc: ah, the imfamous segfault on exit bug. |
| 23:34.21 | kergoth | tboc: let me guess, oz 3.0?\ |
| 23:34.48 | tboc | 3.1rc1 |
| 23:35.02 | kergoth | hm, cant recall when we dealt with it |
| 23:35.17 | kergoth | it was actually a bug in the moc included with a certain qt/embedded we were building |
| 23:35.20 | kergoth | it was hosed |
| 23:35.53 | tboc | ok, now i got ipkg upgrade working |
| 23:36.03 | kergoth | good good |
| 23:36.12 | kergoth | argh this compile has taken all damn day |
| 23:36.26 | treke | distcc |
| 23:36.32 | tboc | ohoh, ssh just crashed again ... now i can't tell when ipkg's done |
| 23:36.33 | kergoth | using it, but only on two boxes |
| 23:36.50 | kergoth | ssh crashed? sounds like you're using usbdnet or something |
| 23:36.51 | kergoth | blech |
| 23:36.55 | tboc | yep |
| 23:36.59 | tboc | debian |
| 23:37.06 | kergoth | usbdnet is absolute crap |
| 23:37.10 | tboc | ack! :) |
| 23:37.10 | kergoth | you're lucky if it hasnt paniced your box yet |
| 23:37.13 | treke | kergoth: two dual athlons + a single athlon ought to get it down rather quickly :) |
| 23:37.19 | kergoth | treke: indeed |
| 23:37.35 | tboc | kergoth: my box is fine :) |
| 23:37.42 | kergoth | as i said, lucky |
| 23:37.47 | tboc | :) |
| 23:37.50 | kergoth | usbdnet has very little error checking |
| 23:37.57 | kergoth | you'd be best off going with 2.4.20 patched with Z usbnet support |
| 23:38.01 | tboc | kergoth: can't i use something else? |
| 23:38.07 | tboc | kergoth: thats what i got |
| 23:38.12 | kergoth | you said you had usbdnet |
| 23:38.15 | kergoth | usbnet != usbdnet |
| 23:38.19 | kergoth | _completely_ different |
| 23:38.20 | tboc | oh |
| 23:38.22 | tboc | (= |
| 23:38.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:38.45 | tboc | usbdnet 14944 1 |
| 23:38.52 | tboc | hmm... but i patched the kernel - weird |
| 23:38.55 | kergoth | yes |
| 23:38.57 | kergoth | you patched it to add usbdnet |
| 23:39.03 | kergoth | you should patch it to add Z support to the existing usbnet driver |
| 23:39.12 | kergoth | usbdnet = new |
| 23:39.17 | kergoth | usbnet = in kernel, just diddnt support the Z |
| 23:39.17 | tboc | oh, ic |
| 23:39.33 | tboc | "ssh: connect to host zaurus port 22: No route to host" *sigh* |
| 23:39.41 | kergoth | having fun yet? |
| 23:39.44 | kergoth | :P |
| 23:39.47 | tboc | 8) |
| 23:40.04 | kergoth | treke: i should use vtun to punch a connection into digi and distcc across a few of our boxes here |
| 23:40.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:40.10 | kergoth | treke: from home |
| 23:40.16 | treke | :) |
| 23:40.30 | tboc | kergoth: so usbdnet is the best i can get? |
| 23:40.40 | kergoth | what part of |
| 23:40.49 | kergoth | "you should patch your 2.4.20 with usbnet" do you not understand? |
| 23:41.04 | kergoth | obtain the usbnet zaurus patch, apply to 2.4.20, build it, use usbnet not usbdnet |
| 23:41.07 | kergoth | once again |
| 23:41.11 | kergoth | usbdnet is absolute crap |
| 23:41.14 | kergoth | usbnet is not absolute crap |
| 23:41.15 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:41.37 | tboc | argh, now i got it =) |
| 23:41.39 | kergoth | ibot: unlock kergoth |
| 23:41.46 | kergoth | hm, i cant unlock my own factoid |
| 23:41.50 | kergoth | that i had locked in the first place |
| 23:41.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:42.04 | kergoth | grr |
| 23:42.49 | treke | hrm |
| 23:42.56 | treke | ln and rm are two different commands |
| 23:43.01 | mark_ | Neo|Work: yeh, 1.6 does look like a decent improvement over 1.5 |
| 23:43.50 | kergoth | hmm, why did mooview fail to compile? |
| 23:44.35 | kergoth | ah, got it |
| 23:59.13 | noidd | the wierdest thing happened to me last night |
| 23:59.22 | noidd | I went to london.pm and met another OZ user |
| 23:59.25 | noidd | freaky |
| 23:59.34 | kergoth | haha |
| 23:59.35 | noidd | :-) |