| 00:01.34 | warmi_away | heheh |
| 00:01.50 | warmi_away | how long is that battery supposed to last ? |
| 00:02.33 | mspencer | My best guesses, assuming every bit of charge in the battery is usable by the Z (which can't possibly be true): roughly 18 times the battery life. So some level of activity that drains the battery in 45 minutes will make it last 12 hours. |
| 00:02.50 | mspencer | Some level of activity that drains the battery in 4 hours will make it last 3 days. |
| 00:03.21 | mspencer | In practice, batteries' voltage goes down as they are drained. At some point the Zaurus charging circuit is probably going to throw a fit. I might only get half of my usable life out of the battery. |
| 00:06.32 | mspencer | because the internal battery is lithium ion, and lithium ion batteries take some special handling to charge completely and properly, I imagine the Z has some pretty sophisticated stuff in there that can handle variations in voltage. |
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| 00:06.41 | treke | hey raster |
| 00:06.41 | warmi_away | are you going to manufacture this stuff if it works as you hope it will ? |
| 00:06.46 | kergoth | ey raster |
| 00:06.47 | mspencer | But I wouldn't dare hook my pack up to where the internal battery goes -- my pack is pretending to be the AC adapter. |
| 00:07.02 | kergoth | raster: my EVAS BENCH is 0.095 or some shit on my c700. like 5.6 fps.. lol |
| 00:07.04 | mspencer | I have no connections or manufacturing ability or intent, but I'll gladly share plans. |
| 00:07.14 | treke | raster: just got one of the guys at work to stop fighting with libgd and try imlib2 :) |
| 00:07.17 | mspencer | It's far far simpler than anything any company would ever want to put its name on though. :) |
| 00:07.50 | raster | treke: yo yo :) |
| 00:08.01 | warmi_away | I didn't mean like large scale manufacture - but you could sell stuff on say ebay or something like that |
| 00:08.01 | raster | kergoth: thgat sounds about right. i got about .098 on the ipaq |
| 00:08.09 | warmi_away | a small home business if you will :-) |
| 00:08.16 | mspencer | and if it doesn't work like I think it will, I'll just get rid of my simplistic Y adapter in-parallel thingey and do something real. Like the switching regulators people are always talking about. :) |
| 00:08.30 | mspencer | Yeah, I could probably do that -- but I'm definitely not well-equipped for that kind of thing. |
| 00:08.44 | warmi_away | you don't know until you try |
| 00:08.45 | warmi_away | heh |
| 00:08.46 | kergoth | raster: yeah i guess, given its a pxa250 w/ the cache bug |
| 00:08.50 | kergoth | raster: still :) |
| 00:08.57 | raster | treke: is it easier? i acvtualyl have considered having an evas engine that outputs png's, gifs, jpg's etc. for web stuff. ceate canvas. create objects.. render to image file.. maybe even render html directly :) |
| 00:09.07 | mspencer | If absolutely nobody else is willing to do that, maybe it'll work. But if anybody with any electronics ability decides to take it over, I'll gladly concede my place. |
| 00:09.19 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 00:09.26 | warmi_away | well, first I have to get my C 700 |
| 00:09.27 | warmi_away | :-) |
| 00:09.28 | treke | raster: I really like imlib2. This is going to be using the php-imlib2 exentions |
| 00:09.29 | raster | kergoth: yeah... but that gives about the same speed as a 206mhz pda, so you dont gain anythiing from the pxa, but you dontlose either |
| 00:09.40 | kergoth | raster: right, so it could be worse. |
| 00:09.43 | kergoth | raster: :) |
| 00:09.43 | raster | treke: :) cool :) |
| 00:09.50 | raster | kergoth: exactly. |
| 00:10.00 | treke | havent actually tried the extention yet, but I liked it when I used it for some c programs |
| 00:10.23 | raster | kergoth: tho that doesnt count that the benchmarkign works on the 240x320 canvas... on all platforms.. the c400 has a 640x480 screen.. thus 4 times as much pixel data ot fill... :) |
| 00:10.34 | mspencer | Left FedEx Sort Facility/CHICAGO IL 03/05/2003 01:04 (come on little guy, you can make it!) |
| 00:10.36 | kergoth | raster: nope, for whatever reason it was still only displaying 320x240 |
| 00:10.45 | kergoth | raster: the lower left corner of the screen was being animated :) |
| 00:10.47 | kergoth | raster: hehe |
| 00:10.58 | kergoth | raster: maybe cause i enabled the -ipq ipaq specific configuire option |
| 00:11.02 | warmi_away | hey I am in Chicago right now - I can pick it up for you ... |
| 00:11.03 | warmi_away | heh |
| 00:11.26 | treke | who knows where its going to go next |
| 00:12.27 | mspencer | oh yeah, it's Japanese. "Ganbatte! Isoide, watashi ni kuru yo!" |
| 00:13.03 | mspencer | heh I don't doubt it :) |
| 00:13.23 | treke | yet some how they managed to get it delivered faster than expected |
| 00:13.39 | ljp | I had a friend take a train from Denver to Louisianna... got routed through Chicago |
| 00:14.00 | mspencer | "OHSHITS, we screwed up! We'd better put this in with the NDA RUSH packages so the recipient doesn't complain!" |
| 00:14.05 | warmi_away | ljp: well that's because major Daley is a powerfull guy .. |
| 00:14.12 | warmi_away | everything gets routed thru Chicago |
| 00:14.44 | mspencer | Damn, you're right! |
| 00:15.13 | mspencer | and then oregon, and then new york, and then ozemail, and then to my friend on a competing ISP here in town. |
| 00:15.32 | raster | treke the C code tho coudl be a bit nicer, api-wise :) |
| 00:16.36 | raster | kergoth: oh yeah.. of course. the actual evas test proggie only does 320x240. even in x, even in directfb. it just uses a corner of the screen. it can use all of it too if you want. if your'e adventurous, try ecore_evas. f you hit "f" for "fullscreen" it will go occupy all of it. |
| 00:16.43 | warmi_away | raster: well you know what would make it much nicer :-) |
| 00:16.46 | raster | (in the ecore_avs demo program) |
| 00:16.49 | kergoth | raster: ohhh okay, gotcha |
| 00:16.50 | warmi_away | you know, you just don't wanna admit it |
| 00:16.51 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 00:17.02 | raster | warmi_away: built in porn calls? |
| 00:17.03 | raster | :) |
| 00:17.43 | kergoth | raster: i adjusted the packaging to match debian and OZ conventions. libevas1 (as its .so.1.0.0), libevas-dev (for evas-config, libevas.so, and the headers), and evas-test for hte test app and accompanying ttf and png files |
| 00:17.45 | warmi_away | heh .. that too but after you convert it to C++ |
| 00:17.46 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 00:17.56 | treke | kergoth: OE might be getting used in this system also :) |
| 00:18.48 | raster | kergoth: thats soudns just fine. yup. thats perfect. |
| 00:19.19 | raster | kergoth: keep test proggy & data separate. the only thing peole need really is libevas.so.1.0.0 0- the rest is for develoeprs or tinkerers only |
| 00:20.50 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 00:20.59 | raster | kergoth: so the build works fine for you? |
| 00:21.10 | kergoth | yup, fought with libtool and friends some |
| 00:21.17 | kergoth | damn those gnu tools hate crosscompiling :) |
| 00:21.25 | kergoth | but its building fine, its in our buildsystem |
| 00:21.27 | kergoth | need to add ecore yet |
| 00:21.29 | raster | heheheh |
| 00:21.30 | raster | oh yeah |
| 00:21.35 | raster | they are BIOTHCES |
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| 00:35.57 | mr_science | kergoth: i'm filing a bug gentoo bug report on the usbdnet patch |
| 00:36.16 | kergoth | to get it removed? |
| 00:36.18 | mr_science | kergoth: they added it to 2.4.20 gentoo-sources |
| 00:36.27 | mr_science | instead of the usbnet patch... |
| 00:36.29 | mr_science | yes |
| 00:36.31 | kergoth | good |
| 00:36.50 | mr_science | is ther a URL to the usbnet patch i can add to the bug report? |
| 00:37.08 | kergoth | just tell them to pull the usbnet driver from 2.4.21-pre6 |
| 00:37.09 | kergoth | er |
| 00:37.10 | kergoth | pre5 |
| 00:37.18 | mr_science | k |
| 00:37.19 | kergoth | my usbnet patch is just a diff between 2.4.20 and 2.4.21-pre5 |
| 00:37.21 | kergoth | heh |
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| 01:18.36 | mr_science | chouimat: did you see the wave earlier? |
| 01:19.02 | chouimat | wave? |
| 01:20.30 | mr_science | on my cheesy cam... |
| 01:20.55 | chouimat | nope |
| 01:21.34 | mutexer | I have another question about ungrabkeyboard... when is the best time to do it? |
| 01:21.37 | mr_science | another 10 minutes then :) |
| 01:22.40 | mr_science | i'll bite; when? |
| 01:26.34 | mutexer | thats what I want to know... when |
| 01:26.45 | mutexer | I changed around soem stuff and its not ungrabbing anymore |
| 01:27.31 | mr_science | sorry :) that was my dad's old joke... |
| 01:30.49 | mr_science | ok chouimat |
| 01:31.11 | mr_science | http://arnolds.dhs.org/static/webcam.html |
| 01:31.29 | mr_science | sun's going down now tho... |
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| 01:31.50 | mr_science | and the cat's in the window... |
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| 01:34.03 | electron | hey all |
| 01:34.34 | mr_science | yo |
| 01:36.47 | treke | raster: quote for you. "wow this imlib is fast." |
| 01:37.05 | raster | hahahahah |
| 01:37.08 | raster | compared to what? |
| 01:37.13 | treke | libgd |
| 01:37.23 | raster | oh |
| 01:37.23 | raster | hehehe |
| 01:37.34 | raster | well imlib2 was designred for realtime on-screen graphics |
| 01:37.39 | treke | yeah |
| 01:38.30 | raster | maybe one day i should fix up its internals to be faser... oi have better internals in evas i woudlnt mind moving back to imlib2 |
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| 01:42.06 | raster | heheheh |
| 01:42.10 | raster | actually |
| 01:42.20 | raster | i might just make anevas web engine |
| 01:42.21 | mutexer | ARGH! I ahre QPE |
| 01:42.22 | raster | much cleaner |
| 01:42.29 | mr_science | or maybe it's a glow... |
| 01:42.32 | treke | raster: no. do pdas first :) |
| 01:42.54 | raster | treke well thats almost complete now.. except the evas server architecture :) |
| 01:43.23 | mutexer | any of you know anything about ungrabkeybaord? |
| 01:44.04 | treke | I know eongames had issues with it not working |
| 01:44.20 | mutexer | I had it working.. I changed 1 thing and it no longer works |
| 01:46.50 | raster | MUAHAHAHHAHAHA |
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| 01:59.49 | mutexer | warmi: do you know the correct place to put ungrabkeyboard for it to work? |
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| 02:38.47 | do_guh_new | hey where did all you people find your cf net cards at? (assuming some of you have them) |
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| 02:40.36 | Shdwdrgn | office depot |
| 02:40.46 | Shdwdrgn | d-link 660w for $80 |
| 02:40.54 | Shdwdrgn | (plus a $20 mail-in rebate) |
| 02:41.01 | do_guh_new | Shdwdrgn: thanks but my orifice depot didnt have it |
| 02:41.05 | Shdwdrgn | oh net, not wifi... sorry |
| 02:41.10 | do_guh_new | right |
| 02:41.14 | do_guh_new | maybe best buy |
| 02:41.22 | do_guh_new | I just dont wanna order it online and wait ya know |
| 02:41.25 | Shdwdrgn | have you tried pricewatch.com? |
| 02:41.28 | Shdwdrgn | ahh |
| 02:41.31 | do_guh_new | not yet |
| 02:41.46 | do_guh_new | but if best buy fails me it's compusa and if that fails me online I go |
| 02:41.54 | Shdwdrgn | worst case, maybe radio shack? |
| 02:42.01 | do_guh_new | hmm |
| 02:42.03 | do_guh_new | good idea |
| 02:42.03 | Shdwdrgn | or CompUSA |
| 02:42.10 | do_guh_new | ya compusa should be good |
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| 02:42.34 | Shdwdrgn | Comp has everything else (except the zaurus) |
| 02:42.41 | do_guh_new | oh I know |
| 02:42.43 | do_guh_new | :) |
| 02:42.56 | Shdwdrgn | bastard |
| 02:43.02 | treke|home | my cf card |
| 02:43.04 | do_guh_new | how are these cf net cards compatiblity wise? |
| 02:43.06 | Shdwdrgn | mine doesn;t carry any Sharp pda's |
| 02:43.15 | treke|home | although they did stock the Zaurus for a short time |
| 02:43.22 | do_guh_new | I had to order mine z online |
| 02:43.28 | do_guh_new | mine=my |
| 02:43.47 | Shdwdrgn | you probably paid a shitload less then |
| 02:44.08 | do_guh_new | ya not bad |
| 02:44.12 | do_guh_new | got my z from newegg |
| 02:44.18 | Shdwdrgn | price? |
| 02:44.29 | do_guh_new | hmm I think it was about 340 |
| 02:44.40 | do_guh_new | here let me look at my receipt |
| 02:44.41 | Shdwdrgn | 399 at office depot |
| 02:45.01 | do_guh_new | sorry 350 |
| 02:46.00 | do_guh_new | are these cf net cards universal or are some uncompatible? |
| 02:46.09 | do_guh_new | never dealt with them before |
| 02:46.28 | Shdwdrgn | me either... I just have the wifi |
| 02:46.45 | do_guh_new | k thanks |
| 02:46.54 | do_guh_new | well my wireless router is a d-link |
| 02:47.20 | Shdwdrgn | mine is linksys... works fine with the dlink card |
| 02:47.40 | do_guh_new | cool Ill look into that dlink card |
| 02:47.42 | _Psycho | some symbol router doesnt look to work great |
| 02:47.53 | _Psycho | i have a linksys at home work good |
| 02:48.19 | _Psycho | my CF card is too |
| 02:48.32 | _Psycho | work great on in OZ too |
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| 02:48.44 | redbaron_ | anyone here |
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| 02:49.48 | do_guh_new | alright thanks everyone for responding |
| 02:59.59 | mspencer | Damnit FedEx! I'm west of Chicago! You sent my C700 east, to Indianapolis! X__X |
| 03:00.50 | treke|home | mspencer: hehe :) |
| 03:15.26 | mutexer | Its called Spiral Delivery... gonna go south next |
| 03:15.42 | treke|home | fedex does weird shit |
| 03:15.46 | treke|home | but they deliver on time |
| 03:17.57 | mutexer | no wait.. its UPS with spiral isnt it |
| 03:18.21 | treke|home | ups gets a good spiral on your boxes |
| 03:18.38 | treke|home | they know the right way to kick them |
| 03:18.53 | mspencer | at least it's shipped with insurance... |
| 03:19.15 | mspencer | you guys are making me nervous now :) |
| 03:19.36 | mspencer | So you think even though it seems to be headed off to parts unknown, if the web page says tomorrow, it'll be in my hands tomorrow? :) |
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| 03:47.38 | raster | what are we going to do tonight brain? |
| 03:48.03 | krezel[laptop] | the same thing we do every night |
| 03:48.06 | treke|home | get drunk? |
| 03:48.12 | mspencer | nono, you're supposed to prompt for one of those "are you pondering what I'm pondering" dialogues... |
| 03:48.15 | krezel[laptop] | actually I like that idea more |
| 03:48.39 | krezel[laptop] | Is there any way to get a ToolButton to have the text on the right side instead of underneath? |
| 03:49.20 | mspencer | (btw, someone posted in the forum that he's selling his Z because it isn't very well-suited for in-class code compiling. Do any of you guys use the C compiler on the Z, and does it work OK?) |
| 03:50.17 | Vhalros | I can't imagine trying to code on the thing... |
| 03:50.29 | treke|home | a c700 might not be too bad |
| 03:50.34 | treke|home | but space is a big problem |
| 03:50.53 | mspencer | Yeah. Can you fit enough libraries and whatnot on 100 MB or so, to do useful compiling for in-class console programs? |
| 03:51.08 | Vhalros | If you really want to code in class, get a small laptop. the c700 will probably cost as much as one to get imported :) |
| 03:51.16 | ljp | compiling would be the big problem. its debugging |
| 03:51.20 | ljp | wouldnt |
| 03:51.25 | mspencer | ah, cool :) |
| 03:51.41 | kergoth | mspencer: thats what a 1gb cf card is for |
| 03:51.44 | kergoth | mspencer: :) |
| 03:51.48 | mspencer | Too late to change my mind -- my C700 is already in FedEx's hands, in Indianapolis. |
| 03:51.49 | Vhalros | mspencer: You could probably compile most inclass examples (which probably aren't that big any way)... the proble would be actually editing the code. |
| 03:52.08 | mspencer | Hmm, I can imagine... |
| 03:52.20 | mspencer | especially with the odd kana keys with hidden special characters under them... |
| 03:52.40 | Vhalros | Even typing all those weird gcc compile flags would be a pain. |
| 03:52.41 | mspencer | "oh, katakana is alt, and mail is control..." |
| 03:52.55 | mspencer | naah - gcc example.c -o example |
| 03:53.08 | mspencer | hmm, honestly, I can see your point. |
| 03:53.10 | Vhalros | Well, if it is that simple yeah. |
| 03:53.18 | mspencer | it's not always one file like that. |
| 03:53.44 | Vhalros | And the libraries, and if you have to use any -D flags... |
| 03:54.02 | mspencer | yeah, true. (Pocketop?) |
| 03:54.16 | Vhalros | Although I suppose beyond a certain complexity you would use a makefile any way. |
| 03:55.55 | kergoth | treke|home: you use the buildroot.. we can tell |
| 03:56.05 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:56.38 | mspencer | well, even if it's inconvenient, I'd like to know that everything will still work. :) |
| 03:56.58 | mspencer | And with my bigass outboard battery pack, would that CF to PCMCIA adapter and a large PCMCIA hard disk card be worthwhile? :) |
| 03:58.33 | treke|home | or you could buy a small laptop :) |
| 03:58.44 | Vhalros | Well, it will work :) |
| 03:58.55 | Vhalros | It is probably the least sane solution I have ever heard of though :) |
| 03:58.57 | mspencer | small enough to fit in my pocket? :) |
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| 03:59.18 | mspencer | Yeah, true. Probably better off with a microdrive. |
| 03:59.58 | kergoth | nah, get a 1gb cf card instead |
| 04:00.04 | kergoth | microdrive drains battery and puts out a lot of heat |
| 04:00.08 | mspencer | but the idea is to only have one device. I don't need lots of power -- with linux, a pentium 75 has been fine for mspencer.net for months, and I serve dozens of web hosting users off of that. |
| 04:00.18 | mspencer | (battery isn't a problem for me :) ) |
| 04:00.25 | kergoth | i know, just sayin |
| 04:00.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:00.33 | mspencer | what's the price difference? |
| 04:00.48 | kergoth | dunno |
| 04:01.12 | mspencer | Well, I need to take peoples' advice with this, because there's probably a lot of expensive mistakes out there waiting to be made. |
| 04:01.31 | Vhalros | CF has the advantage of solid-stateness. |
| 04:01.41 | mspencer | I know that :) |
| 04:02.05 | treke|home | CF has the advantage of not needing to keep little disks spinning all the time :) |
| 04:07.06 | mspencer | wow, the price difference, baseline according to pricewatch.com -- a 1 GB IBM microdrive is only about $25 cheaper than a 1 GB Sandisk CF card. |
| 04:07.20 | mspencer | I've heard all about Sandisk SD, but is Sandisk CF OK? |
| 04:07.21 | kergoth | mspencer: there ya go. |
| 04:07.41 | mspencer | I think I'm going 1 GB CF then. Thanks for the tip ^__^ |
| 04:08.53 | mspencer | http://www.pcnation.com/asp/details.asp?affid=303&item=348600 - wtf, are they STOLEN? (the next cheapest price is $40 higher...) |
| 04:12.13 | Bala | that is a good price... do they ship to canada?? |
| 04:12.44 | mspencer | probably not for free, but probably yeah :) |
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| 04:36.26 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:39.01 | mspencer | night |
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| 04:46.11 | krezel[laptop] | anybody around? |
| 04:48.24 | krezel[laptop] | :( |
| 04:49.08 | Bala | yeah.. |
| 04:49.37 | mspencer | not I |
| 04:49.53 | krezel[laptop] | I'm having issues using connect() to set up my signal handling stuff |
| 04:50.04 | krezel[laptop] | zTunes.cpp:17: no matching function for call to `ZTunes::connect ({unknown type}, const char[11], ZTunes *, const char[8])' |
| 04:50.16 | krezel[laptop] | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.27 | krezel[laptop] | heh |
| 04:50.36 | krezel[laptop] | no problem |
| 04:50.53 | mspencer | http://www.fedex.com/cgi-bin/tracking?action=track&tracknumbers=790712854388 -- I'll have it soon though ^__^ |
| 04:51.01 | krezel[laptop] | 5500? |
| 04:51.06 | mspencer | C700 |
| 04:51.14 | krezel[laptop] | Not fair :( |
| 04:55.08 | Bala | krezel[laptop]: check that your arguments to connect are correct |
| 04:55.30 | krezel[laptop] | I'm using the example program as a template and it looks right |
| 04:56.04 | Bala | hmm.. |
| 04:57.02 | mspencer | it's probably headed that way anyway... |
| 04:57.22 | krezel[laptop] | Hmm... casting seems to solve my problems... we'll see if it actually works |
| 04:57.44 | krezel[laptop] | mspencer: Everything FedEx goes through the same couple of routing centers |
| 04:58.32 | mspencer | does FedEx usually deliver by noon-ish? |
| 04:58.39 | krezel[laptop] | It'll probably die a horrible flaming segfaulting death |
| 04:59.04 | mspencer | Japanese class is over at 11, work starts at 12:30, and I'd love to have my toy to play with while I put in my 10 1/2 hours at work. :) |
| 04:59.14 | Bala | hmm.. what class is play? |
| 04:59.57 | krezel[laptop] | play is a button in my .ui file |
| 05:00.26 | krezel[laptop] | QToolButton |
| 05:09.01 | mutexer | they are shipping it through Japan the long wauy :) |
| 05:11.46 | mspencer | probably :) |
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| 05:30.11 | mspencer | btw, do DivX movies work OK on the Z? (320x240, mono sound, right?) |
| 05:32.13 | treke|home | mspencer: probably not |
| 05:32.24 | treke|home | mspencer: They work ok on the 5500 |
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| 05:34.07 | krezel[laptop] | Are there any good hour-trackers for the Z? |
| 05:34.17 | treke|home | krezel[laptop]: try timetracker |
| 05:37.13 | krezel[laptop] | k |
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| 09:29.26 | wijnand | yes, that ALWAYS happens to me. |
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| 09:54.09 | NeoTron | phew |
| 09:54.18 | NeoTron | Bust'em 1.2 is released. |
| 10:06.24 | loz | know of any snes emulators? |
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| 11:45.08 | nofpu | yawn + stretch |
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| 13:24.54 | nofpu | wow, I'd really like it if that hang on reboot bug got fixed |
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| 13:47.04 | wijnand | is there a speed difference between using cf and sd cards? |
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| 14:00.34 | nofpu | cf is faster |
| 14:00.39 | wijnand | much? |
| 14:03.07 | nofpu | there's a site with comparisons somewhere |
| 14:03.39 | wijnand | do you reckon i'll need a card larger than 128 mb? |
| 14:03.59 | nofpu | that entirely depends :) |
| 14:04.14 | wijnand | hehe yeah i knew you would say that |
| 14:04.31 | wijnand | i plan to use it for a few apps and a few data files, no big plans |
| 14:05.29 | nofpu | one consideration is that I've not quite been able to fit movie MPEGs on 128MB CF, ymmv |
| 14:05.38 | wijnand | hehe |
| 14:05.52 | wijnand | i doubt you'd get away with anything under 512 for that |
| 14:07.06 | nofpu | 256 |
| 14:07.33 | wijnand | but if i dont intend to play large movies? would 128 be enough? |
| 14:07.55 | nofpu | imho yup |
| 14:08.12 | wijnand | thanks |
| 14:08.20 | nofpu | it depends :) |
| 14:08.21 | nofpu | np |
| 14:08.37 | wijnand | :) |
| 14:08.58 | nofpu | it;s nice to install apps to SD leaving CF free for wlan card etc |
| 14:09.22 | wijnand | that is true but i need a cf card for flashing anyway |
| 14:09.27 | wijnand | also cf is rather a lot cheaper |
| 14:09.51 | nofpu | yup |
| 14:37.05 | wijnand | hello mspencer |
| 14:37.25 | mspencer | Whoa, you guys were right about FedEx! C700: "On FedEx vehicle for delivery/OMAHA NE 03/06/2003 06:48" |
| 14:37.31 | mspencer | heya ^__^ |
| 14:52.12 | Twiun | re |
| 14:54.37 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:55.45 | kybu | wijnand one story of the mr. bean takes 48mb (30min), so on 128mb card you can get aaprox. 120min |
| 14:57.31 | wijnand | kybu: i see, then again it's all in the aspect ratio and framerate |
| 14:59.18 | Pend-Gone | mspencer: can I reroute that to my house by chance? |
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| 14:59.40 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 15:03.18 | Twiun | hey prp |
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| 15:12.40 | warmi | hi |
| 15:16.38 | kybu | hi warmi |
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| 15:48.50 | wijnand | can you connect the ac adapter directly to the zaurus without using the cradle? |
| 15:49.07 | yeiazel | yes |
| 15:49.10 | warmi | sure |
| 15:49.13 | wijnand | good |
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| 16:15.27 | treke | mornin kergoth |
| 16:17.22 | kergoth | hey treke |
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| 16:35.18 | treke | cool. one more oe tester :) |
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| 16:54.07 | nerdboy | hi |
| 16:55.47 | wijnand | yo |
| 16:59.26 | JuanBlan | <JuanBlan> hi, i try to install Opera in open zaurus by the packaged generated by the operacreator in original rom |
| 16:59.26 | JuanBlan | <JuanBlan> but, when i run the opera.... the icons of opera dont apear |
| 16:59.26 | JuanBlan | <JuanBlan> why? |
| 16:59.58 | JuanBlan | and i cant uninstall |
| 17:00.30 | treke | <treke> No idea |
| 17:01.08 | warmi | haha |
| 17:02.38 | phoen][x | i got one |
| 17:02.50 | phoen][x | in fact, i had the same problem with opera |
| 17:04.21 | phoen][x | JuanBlan: create a symlink from /usr/share/operabuttons to /whatever/opt/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons |
| 17:13.21 | kergoth | didnt the latest operacreator from complex fix that/ |
| 17:13.53 | phoen][x | could be, no idea. |
| 17:14.03 | phoen][x | btw, hello kergoth |
| 17:14.03 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:14.09 | kergoth | i've never used those before actually ;) |
| 17:14.11 | kergoth | hey |
| 17:14.24 | phoen][x | i encountered the same problem, thats why i thought... |
| 17:14.32 | kergoth | yea |
| 17:14.37 | kergoth | i remember hearding about hta tone |
| 17:14.57 | phoen][x | but he isnt here anyways ;? |
| 17:15.09 | phoen][x | s/\;\?/\:\//; |
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| 17:22.08 | nerdboy | kergoth: gentoo-sources kernel bug report is in |
| 17:22.30 | phoen][x | nerdboy: got an id for me? |
| 17:22.39 | nerdboy | hang on |
| 17:23.01 | phoen][x | gentoo-sources is lolo's job but a look doesnt hurt |
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| 17:35.59 | JuanBlan | oki thx |
| 17:43.14 | nerdboy | phoen][x: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16930 |
| 17:43.35 | nerdboy | phoen][x: i got side-tracked for a minute... |
| 17:47.57 | nerdboy | chouimat: can you teach me to do that some day? :) |
| 17:48.31 | chouimat | nerdboy: huh? |
| 17:48.44 | kergoth | ugh, i dont feel so good today |
| 17:48.47 | nerdboy | the shaving thing... |
| 17:48.57 | nerdboy | :) |
| 17:49.01 | chouimat | nerdboy: ask you father |
| 17:49.14 | treke | teach him :) |
| 17:49.23 | treke | after drinking |
| 17:49.29 | chouimat | treke: that better |
| 17:50.11 | nerdboy | now *that* makes me leery of shaving even more... |
| 17:50.20 | kergoth | hrm |
| 17:50.29 | kergoth | damnit, wheres docwhat at, I want to release rc3 |
| 17:50.44 | nerdboy | but i'll go for the guiness any day... :) |
| 17:50.53 | treke | dont you have to finish nonroot opie first? :) |
| 17:50.59 | kergoth | treke: i moved it :) |
| 17:51.06 | treke | ha |
| 17:51.19 | chouimat | nerdboy: hehe |
| 17:51.32 | chouimat | ibot guinness treke |
| 17:51.37 | | ACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to treke |
| 17:52.11 | nessie | guinness :o) |
| 17:52.14 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a scotch |
| 17:52.15 | Sugar | You have to tell me which one. I can make 14 different, for instance Scotch Bounty, Scotch Cobbler, Scotch Old-Fashioned, Scotch Bishop Cocktail, Scotch Milk Punch and Scotch on the Rocks. |
| 17:52.20 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a scotch on the rocks |
| 17:52.28 | kergoth | there we go |
| 17:53.19 | kergoth | treke: more stupid people working for digi than stupid customers today |
| 17:53.20 | treke | breakfast of champions |
| 17:53.22 | kergoth | treke: pretty sad |
| 17:53.47 | treke | oh wait your two hours ahead. noon isnt quite as bad :) |
| 17:53.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:54.13 | kergoth | hm, I think I'm gonna use noda's faq browser interface w/ tweaks for the digi knowledge base article browser |
| 17:54.32 | kergoth | just need a thing to limit results per page and flip between them |
| 17:55.02 | treke | pear DB_Pager? |
| 17:55.41 | kergoth | yeah, thats all thats needed |
| 17:55.53 | kergoth | shoudl probably improve teh relevancy sorting of the search query results too |
| 17:56.12 | treke | no you shouldnt |
| 17:56.22 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:56.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:56.31 | treke | the faster you get good results, the more people one tech can support |
| 17:56.39 | treke | which makes you less necessarry |
| 17:56.41 | kergoth | oh right, job security |
| 17:56.45 | kergoth | good point |
| 17:57.15 | kergoth | i know, i'll make it randomly return results that _werent_ in their search results |
| 17:57.19 | kergoth | :D |
| 17:57.30 | treke | hehe |
| 17:57.36 | kergoth | "Wait, i searched for linux, where did all these windows xp articles come from?" |
| 17:59.01 | treke | kergoth: yup |
| 18:02.16 | Wintre | kergoth |
| 18:02.18 | Wintre | You heathen |
| 18:02.25 | Wintre | Scotch is meant to be had straight |
| 18:02.42 | Wintre | If it needs anything then you should be drinking better scotch |
| 18:02.57 | treke | hehe |
| 18:04.16 | phoen][x | nerdboy: ty |
| 18:05.10 | phoen][x | ah usbdnet is the problem |
| 18:06.04 | icefox | http://www.weekend-fun.de/biografie/benjamin.htm |
| 18:06.11 | icefox | it is .... me... but now me |
| 18:06.15 | icefox | now/not |
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| 18:07.57 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 18:08.19 | mark_ | hi Neo|Work |
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| 18:29.19 | Neo|Work | hey |
| 18:30.07 | mark_ | heh - 'Scanit offers 5-day training on hacking techniques in Belgium and Middle East' |
| 18:30.17 | warmi_ | Neo: so when do you think you will have that new game out ? |
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| 18:32.46 | Neo|Work | warmi_: Dunno, quite a long queue.. |
| 18:33.03 | warmi_ | ah ok |
| 18:33.08 | Neo|Work | it is reasonable portable already (like pocketpc, windows desktop, symbian and palmos or so..) |
| 18:33.47 | warmi_ | they have a port for Palm OS ? |
| 18:33.49 | warmi_ | not bad |
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| 18:37.09 | dmalloc | hello ;:) |
| 18:37.14 | warmi | hi |
| 18:37.34 | dmalloc | is there a reliable howto for getting my Zaurus to work with linux ? just got it yesterday and I am still learning |
| 18:38.14 | dmalloc | I am still amazed though, grinning every time I start the console hehe |
| 18:38.19 | warmi | http://docs.zaurus.com |
| 18:38.21 | warmi | been there ? |
| 18:38.39 | dmalloc | yes, found some on google too, but I was wondering if there is a prefered one |
| 18:40.46 | icefox | warmi: YES! hahahahahahahaha |
| 18:41.23 | dmalloc | hopefully they'll have a new kernel soon :) |
| 18:41.45 | warmi | heh |
| 18:45.57 | dmalloc | I wonder if the zaurus could be part of a 3G solution. |
| 18:46.15 | treke | yeah just add 2.95G's to the price |
| 18:47.19 | dmalloc | hrrm I am trying to write a phone application, the only issue ia m not quite able to solve yet is the synchonous audio/in output |
| 18:48.01 | warmi | it doesn't work or you don't know how to use the sound driver ? |
| 18:48.33 | warmi | the sound driver implementation on the ZAurus is known to have numerous bugs |
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| 18:50.03 | dmalloc | I do not know how to output the actual sound. I need to plug a speaker into the speaker jack, now where doe sthe mic go ? |
| 18:50.10 | dmalloc | <-- no hardware guy |
| 18:50.30 | phoen][x | same jack |
| 18:50.36 | warmi | ah |
| 18:50.48 | warmi | well, I am no hardware either - so I wouldn't know :-) |
| 18:50.55 | warmi | no hardware guy , that is |
| 18:51.09 | phoen][x | you need some adaptor if you want to plug in both thingies |
| 18:51.34 | dmalloc | phoen][x: yes, but would not one device block the other then? on a phione you need async audio |
| 18:52.21 | kergoth | Wintre: hey now, i just asked for a scotch on the rocks.. nothing wrong with ice :) |
| 18:52.27 | phoen][x | hey, you are no hardware guy dmalloc |
| 18:52.39 | phoen][x | so dont start to talk about technical stuff, okay? :) |
| 18:54.54 | phoen][x | well, a speaker and a mic is the same thing, no? |
| 18:55.12 | dmalloc | no, not really. |
| 18:55.28 | dmalloc | but then again, as I said, I am no expert |
| 18:55.47 | dmalloc | The main issue I see by using teh same jack, is that the frequnezy signal and its modulation blocks one device |
| 18:56.08 | phoen][x | well, it works IIRC |
| 18:56.49 | levi | IIRC, some speakers and microphones work on the same basic principle, but not all of them. |
| 18:56.52 | dmalloc | so imagine you get a call, the guy talks and talks and you wish to interrupt him. for that your mic has to be able to send while the speaker "receives" |
| 18:57.07 | dmalloc | if the zaurus jack can do that.. I am happy |
| 18:57.12 | phoen][x | yeah, full-duplexish |
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| 18:59.58 | SuKoShi | hi |
| 19:00.55 | phoen][x | LOL |
| 19:02.17 | warmi | haha |
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| 19:02.57 | phoen][x | thats why i usually ban *!~root@* |
| 19:03.22 | hotgrits | hi folks |
| 19:03.26 | phoen][x | lo |
| 19:03.39 | treke | phoen][x: banning root in here is pretty stupid |
| 19:03.47 | phoen][x | INDEED! |
| 19:03.53 | hotgrits | i'm looking for pointers to get my zaurus networked under linux w/2.4.20 kernel |
| 19:03.59 | phoen][x | as long as oz3.1_rc3 aint out :) |
| 19:04.18 | icefox | hotgrits: docs.zaurus.com |
| 19:04.33 | icefox | no |
| 19:04.36 | phoen][x | not really |
| 19:04.48 | icefox | users that like to use root because they are lazy should be banned |
| 19:05.04 | phoen][x | its too dangerous to allow root irc usage, thats my opinion |
| 19:05.15 | phoen][x | yeah @ icefox |
| 19:05.24 | kergoth | phoen][x: they deserve whatever they bring upon themselves |
| 19:05.43 | hotgrits | tks for the url icefox, but those usbdnet patches go up to 2.4.19 only :( |
| 19:05.52 | kergoth | eh? |
| 19:05.53 | icefox | hmm true |
| 19:05.54 | kergoth | usbdnet?? |
| 19:05.56 | kergoth | NO |
| 19:05.59 | kergoth | usbdnet is bad |
| 19:06.00 | icefox | usbnet! |
| 19:06.01 | kergoth | very bad |
| 19:06.10 | icefox | kergoth: yah well my docs still say to use them |
| 19:06.17 | kergoth | hotgrits: toss me your email, i'll send you the usbnet patch against 2.4.20 |
| 19:06.19 | hotgrits | ya,ya. i found a a usbnet patch for 2.4.20, which _seems_ to work ...at first |
| 19:06.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:06.31 | kergoth | hotgrits: thats better than kernel panics, right? |
| 19:06.36 | hotgrits | the zaurus gets a dhcp lease ... but doesn't go anywhere |
| 19:06.36 | hotgrits | heh |
| 19:06.36 | kergoth | hotgrits: usbdnet panics machines. |
| 19:06.44 | hotgrits | usbdnet == bad. :) |
| 19:06.46 | kergoth | 'doesnt go anywehre'? |
| 19:06.56 | kergoth | can you ping hte Z from the desktop? |
| 19:07.00 | hotgrits | no packets cross usb0 from the zaurus |
| 19:07.02 | hotgrits | yes |
| 19:07.05 | kergoth | eh? |
| 19:07.08 | phoen][x | kergoth: kinda true that |
| 19:07.14 | kergoth | if you can ping, packets and coming and going to the zaurus. |
| 19:07.16 | kergoth | whats the problem? |
| 19:07.27 | kergoth | s/and/are/ |
| 19:07.32 | hotgrits | i can ping my desktop, but have never seen any outgoing packets from my zaurus (otehr than ping responses and dhcp requests) |
| 19:07.38 | kergoth | hotgrits: eh? |
| 19:07.44 | kergoth | if ping works, so will everything else. |
| 19:07.45 | phoen][x | kergoth: maybe i usually ban root-users because i dont like their questions :) |
| 19:07.46 | hotgrits | i.e., no fun stuff like mail and browsing seem to work. |
| 19:07.53 | kergoth | hotgrits: then you just need a default route. |
| 19:07.56 | kergoth | hotgrits: this isnt a usbnet problem. |
| 19:08.00 | kergoth | hotgrits: its a Z configuration problem. |
| 19:08.03 | hotgrits | that should be set to my usb0 ip, right? |
| 19:08.10 | kergoth | your desktop usb ip, yes |
| 19:08.10 | hotgrits | well .. it is... that's why i'm stumped |
| 19:08.14 | kergoth | and your desktop needs to be forwarding |
| 19:08.16 | kergoth | and/or NATing |
| 19:08.23 | hotgrits | i've got iptables and the SNAT set up, too |
| 19:08.24 | kergoth | again, its not a usbnet problem |
| 19:08.50 | hotgrits | anyway .. from what I'm hearing, this should be cake, so maybe I'm just missing something |
| 19:09.05 | kergoth | yep, most likely |
| 19:09.07 | kergoth | just avoid usbnet like the plague |
| 19:09.09 | kergoth | er |
| 19:09.11 | hotgrits | heh |
| 19:09.11 | kergoth | usbDnet |
| 19:09.12 | hotgrits | will do |
| 19:09.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:09.20 | kergoth | ibot: usbdnet |
| 19:09.21 | | rumour has it, usbdnet is make sure you're using the NEW UHCI kernel driver and not the alternate.. (deselect the uhci driver in usb in kernel config and you will get a choice of either alternate or new) or http://oss.lineo.com/usb/ |
| 19:09.26 | kergoth | ibot: no, usbdnet is crap |
| 19:09.26 | | kergoth: please, watch your language. |
| 19:09.30 | kergoth | ibot: no, usbdnet is cr*p |
| 19:09.31 | | okay, kergoth |
| 19:09.43 | phoen][x | wlan is pure fun |
| 19:09.50 | dmalloc | and so neatly insecure |
| 19:09.50 | phoen][x | 11Mbps through your brain |
| 19:10.00 | phoen][x | so we all gonna die with 35 |
| 19:10.01 | dmalloc | I can't wait to kismet with an unobtrusive handheld |
| 19:10.20 | CuCullin | thats what i have going on |
| 19:10.28 | dmalloc | cell phones are a lot worse than 802.11b can ever be |
| 19:10.35 | kergoth | dmalloc: thats waht a VPN is for |
| 19:10.36 | phoen][x | yes |
| 19:10.38 | CuCullin | just got my zaurus monday, netgear wireless cf came the same day |
| 19:10.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:10.55 | CuCullin | I was using zic by the time i got home from work |
| 19:10.56 | phoen][x | vpn's are for sissies :) |
| 19:10.58 | Twiun | ipv6 address? /whois tarmo |
| 19:11.04 | dmalloc | kergoth: a VPN via wlan? *cough* if all would implement LEAP we would have no problem, but alas. |
| 19:11.15 | kergoth | dmalloc: eh? freeswan works just fine. |
| 19:11.28 | dmalloc | kergoth: I am refering to the overhead ;) |
| 19:11.34 | kergoth | Twiun: there are quite a few ipv6 users on freenode |
| 19:11.44 | kergoth | Twiun: just use a ipv6 over ipv4 tunnel, works well |
| 19:11.45 | dmalloc | not to mention that most wlana ccess points do NAT and then AH is useless |
| 19:11.46 | xml | have you tried the OE stuff in freeswan? |
| 19:11.50 | Twiun | kergoth: oh. that was my first :) |
| 19:11.53 | kergoth | dmalloc: incorrect |
| 19:12.04 | kergoth | dmalloc: patches are available to deal with the NAT situation |
| 19:12.05 | dmalloc | kergoth: which part is incorrect ? |
| 19:12.12 | kergoth | dmalloc: patches which are included in the OE 2.4.18+ kernels |
| 19:12.22 | kergoth | xml: the freeswan folks have it working in OE fine |
| 19:12.37 | xml | I'm on here via ipv6 btw |
| 19:12.48 | hotgrits | tks for your help |
| 19:12.50 | dmalloc | kergoth: yes, but tthose break the security intenteded through AH+ESP, only cisco is currently woking on a protocol based solution, unfortunately that will only work on their devices *sigh* |
| 19:12.58 | kergoth | dmalloc: heh, big surprise |
| 19:13.05 | kergoth | dmalloc: it is cisco after all |
| 19:13.09 | dmalloc | hehe |
| 19:13.28 | kergoth | ah well |
| 19:13.36 | CuCullin | I'm working on a little project... and this is probably the most important part of it.... I'm looking for something I can run on desktops and my zaurus alike, a cross-platform ui, with as many capabilities as possible.... is picogui the way to go? has anyone here used it? |
| 19:13.51 | kergoth | CuCullin: use qt.. |
| 19:13.55 | xml | I've read the OE documentation, but it sounds like there are lots of drawbacks |
| 19:13.59 | kergoth | xml: huh? |
| 19:14.07 | kergoth | xml: like what |
| 19:14.21 | kergoth | arg, this end user support is going to kill me |
| 19:14.24 | CuCullin | any particular reason? |
| 19:14.28 | kergoth | idiot on the phone. blech |
| 19:15.07 | xml | connections hang around, might get one way encryption, no dns security |
| 19:15.24 | kergoth | xml: ah, right |
| 19:15.29 | kergoth | god today sucks |
| 19:15.34 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a long island |
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| 19:18.04 | xml | trouble with freeswan is that they strive for perfect security. personally I wish they'd do diffie-hellman no matter what and at least we'd have "some" security all the time, rather than perfect security hardly any of it |
| 19:18.39 | dmalloc | Sugar: make me a White Russian |
| 19:18.47 | kergoth | mmm white russian |
| 19:18.51 | kergoth | good stuff, that |
| 19:18.58 | dmalloc | bah.. where is my kaluha in that ? |
| 19:19.03 | dmalloc | and you use whipped cream |
| 19:19.11 | kergoth | um, kahlua is a coffee liquor |
| 19:19.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:19.21 | kergoth | so you just need the whipped cream |
| 19:19.31 | dmalloc | read up.. the original recepe is with kahlua and whipped cream ;) |
| 19:19.43 | dmalloc | 4cl/11/2vodka |
| 19:19.47 | dmalloc | to be exact ;) |
| 19:20.02 | kergoth | read up where? there are a billion recipes for a white russian :) |
| 19:20.10 | dmalloc | oh. |
| 19:20.11 | dmalloc | sorry |
| 19:20.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:20.16 | dmalloc | Barmixers Handbook |
| 19:20.33 | kergoth | need some standards for drinks. theres so many variations |
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| 19:23.59 | kergoth | grr, i want to release rc3 damnit |
| 19:24.15 | dmalloc | rc3 of what ? ;) |
| 19:24.21 | kergoth | openzaurus 3.1 |
| 19:24.35 | dmalloc | ah /me just has his zaurus for 2 days now |
| 19:24.44 | dmalloc | still learning |
| 19:26.30 | treke | we can tell |
| 19:28.49 | dmalloc | I am acting that stupid? |
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| 19:29.14 | treke | no, but we've gotten good at figuring out who is new |
| 19:30.20 | dmalloc | *nod* |
| 19:35.41 | nerdboy | so if you've flashed it so many times between ROM versions you can't remember which, you're not new anymore? |
| 19:36.23 | Wintre | If you come into #zaurus and talk about the Zaurus, you're new. |
| 19:36.30 | kergoth | aha |
| 19:36.30 | treke | yup |
| 19:36.31 | Wintre | If you come into #zaurus and talk about politics, you're old. |
| 19:36.37 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:36.43 | CuCullin | i gotta pick up some cf first, I dont have any at all |
| 19:36.56 | icefox | Wintre: where does that place me? |
| 19:37.12 | Wintre | ;) |
| 19:37.38 | sukoshi | kergoth: received my email related to Xscale turbo stuff? |
| 19:38.00 | kergoth | sukoshi: yeah, didnt have a chance to read it yet |
| 19:39.02 | sukoshi | the article's author tested bus speed change within Xscale, and tested out many speeds, so he overclocked or downclocked the C700 (and gain autonomy) |
| 19:40.26 | sukoshi | he suggests to downspeed the Z when mediaplayer plays mp3/ogg to have a better battery life |
| 19:40.55 | sukoshi | *somewhat looks like autospeed on mobile pentium* |
| 19:41.02 | icefox | http://www.google.com/palm |
| 19:41.04 | icefox | cool |
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| 19:41.49 | kergoth | yo Com[Plex] |
| 19:42.08 | JuanBlan | i have installed the Opera on my OpenZaurus |
| 19:42.10 | Com[Plex] | hiya |
| 19:42.19 | JuanBlan | but the botons of the zaurus dont apear |
| 19:42.33 | Com[Plex] | what version of openzaurus? |
| 19:42.36 | JuanBlan | what can i do ????? |
| 19:42.41 | JuanBlan | please |
| 19:43.09 | Com[Plex] | JuanBlan: what verison of openzaurus are you using? |
| 19:43.13 | Neo|Work | there's a even more compact / lean version of google? wowk. :P |
| 19:43.40 | JuanBlan | Testing |
| 19:43.54 | kergoth | JuanBlan: rc2? |
| 19:44.01 | JuanBlan | yes |
| 19:44.05 | kergoth | opera should work fine there |
| 19:44.08 | kergoth | afaik |
| 19:44.13 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 19:44.43 | Com[Plex] | hey, has any work been done on opieplayer^2 lately? |
| 19:46.18 | JuanBlan | some body said me that if i do a link from /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons to any site |
| 19:47.26 | Com[Plex] | where did you get opera? |
| 19:48.26 | JuanBlan | whith the operacreator in the sharp rom |
| 19:48.32 | Com[Plex] | :) |
| 19:48.36 | JuanBlan | :) |
| 19:48.43 | Com[Plex] | Im familiar with that :) |
| 19:49.00 | Com[Plex] | right kergoth? |
| 19:49.12 | kergoth | right |
| 19:49.35 | Com[Plex] | if I remember right, when I wrote that, I included all the symlinks to the buttons folder. |
| 19:50.02 | kergoth | yeah i seem to remember you talking about the buttons issue w/ tmm1 |
| 19:50.07 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 19:50.36 | dmalloc | is it a cirrect observation that there seem to be some packages you may not install on an SD card ? |
| 19:50.56 | kergoth | dmalloc: if you have an ext2 card in OZ, thats not correct. |
| 19:51.04 | Com[Plex] | # make links for help and stuff |
| 19:51.05 | Com[Plex] | cd $location/opt/QtPalmtop/opera |
| 19:51.05 | Com[Plex] | ln -sf ../doc help |
| 19:51.05 | Com[Plex] | ln -sf ../buttons doc/buttons |
| 19:51.07 | kergoth | dmalloc: if you either dont have a ext2 card, or are using sharp, thats correct |
| 19:51.12 | Com[Plex] | DOh. bad paste, sorry. |
| 19:52.20 | Com[Plex] | dmalloc: I used to have that problem alot. I found that formatting the SD card to ext2s instantly solved my problem |
| 19:52.29 | dmalloc | kergoth: speak newbvie lingo to me ;) I simply smacked the SD card in, it got mounted and that was all I did. but things like today or libopie will not install there, but in teh ram they do |
| 19:52.42 | dmalloc | ok so I shoud go format my sd card, thank you ;) |
| 19:52.51 | Com[Plex] | when I used the sharp rom, I kept my card formatted fat, and I would modify the packages to make them work. - that did pretty well. but it slowed things down. |
| 19:53.05 | Com[Plex] | DEFEnitely want the sd card formatted to ext2 |
| 19:53.21 | kergoth | dmalloc: theres a card howto on zauruszone |
| 19:53.28 | kergoth | ibot: howtos |
| 19:53.29 | | i heard howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 19:53.33 | Com[Plex] | however, be warned, if you tyry to read the sd card through a USB card reader/writer under windows, it wont be able to see it |
| 19:53.36 | Com[Plex] | http://docs.zaurus.com/ |
| 19:53.51 | dmalloc | Com[Plex]: windows? what's that :=) |
| 19:53.51 | Com[Plex] | better update that |
| 19:53.58 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 19:54.05 | kergoth | ibot: no, howtos is http://docs.zaurus.com/ |
| 19:54.06 | | okay, kergoth |
| 19:54.09 | Com[Plex] | I use windows exclusively. |
| 19:54.34 | dmalloc | <-- aix, solaris, *bsd, vms, rs6000 you name it ;) but no windows |
| 19:54.54 | kergoth | I use windows for gaming. thats about it |
| 19:55.05 | Com[Plex] | cool :) whenever U need linux, I just fire up vmware. I use redhat in there for zaurus related stuff. |
| 19:55.34 | kergoth | that reminds me, need to finish making the oz buildroot buildable in cygwin |
| 19:55.43 | Com[Plex] | its great, if I plug my reader in while vmware shell is focused, it finds the reader and mounts it, then I just mount -t ext2 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/card |
| 19:55.46 | Com[Plex] | on the pc |
| 19:56.13 | JuanBlan | jop |
| 19:56.28 | Com[Plex] | jop? |
| 19:56.28 | JuanBlan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.29 | JuanBlan | jop |
| 19:56.33 | JuanBlan | joder.... |
| 19:56.34 | kergoth | jop? |
| 19:56.35 | JuanBlan | fuck |
| 19:56.37 | JuanBlan | ;) |
| 19:56.37 | Com[Plex] | huh? |
| 19:56.39 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:56.57 | Com[Plex] | what do you mean with the buttons? |
| 19:57.53 | dmalloc | so where do I go now, zauruszone or sharp for howtos ;) |
| 19:57.55 | JuanBlan | ....jejeje the botton to minimize the pages.... |
| 19:58.02 | kergoth | ibot: howtos |
| 19:58.03 | | from memory, howtos is http://docs.zaurus.com/ |
| 19:58.05 | kergoth | ^^ |
| 19:58.10 | JuanBlan | ibot: opera |
| 19:58.10 | | somebody said opera was at http://www.opera.com or opera ends when the fat lady sings. |
| 19:58.17 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:58.27 | kergoth | ibot: botsnack |
| 19:58.27 | | kergoth: thanks |
| 19:58.34 | dmalloc | well it was zauruszone before *sulkÜ ;) thabnks |
| 19:58.41 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 19:58.54 | JuanBlan | jejeje |
| 19:59.09 | Com[Plex] | I drank a half o fifth of mezcal con gusano last night.. |
| 19:59.22 | kergoth | eh, whats mezcal con gusano? |
| 19:59.24 | Com[Plex] | I thoguht I was gonna be reuined today, btu I actually feel pretty damned good :) |
| 19:59.46 | Com[Plex] | Mezcal, is like barbequed tequila, |
| 19:59.47 | treke | kergoth: alcohol |
| 19:59.53 | kergoth | treke: i figured that much out, thanks |
| 19:59.59 | treke | kergoth: you are welcome |
| 20:00.06 | kergoth | you're always so helpful, you know? |
| 20:00.07 | kergoth | eheh |
| 20:00.08 | Com[Plex] | its higher octane =mostly, made with more roasting of the agava cactus. |
| 20:00.09 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ah |
| 20:00.26 | kergoth | not a big fan of tequila, except for the occasional tequila shots |
| 20:00.28 | Com[Plex] | con gusano means "with worm" as mezcal often has a worm in it. wich really adds to the flavor |
| 20:00.43 | nerdboy | Com[Plex]: i like hornitos and herradura... |
| 20:00.59 | Com[Plex] | yeah, this stuff is rugged. the best way to describe it is mesquite barbecued tequila. |
| 20:01.09 | Com[Plex] | I dont know what kerradura is. |
| 20:01.20 | nerdboy | kergoth: try a cold shot of hornitos |
| 20:01.21 | Com[Plex] | but last night we were doing habanero shots. |
| 20:01.37 | nerdboy | my wife grows her own habaneros... |
| 20:01.47 | nerdboy | mmmm... salsa.... |
| 20:01.56 | kergoth | hm, i'm hungry |
| 20:02.08 | Com[Plex] | where you take a habanaro, and you slice it up into rings, then you use the seasoned salt <made from crushed mezcal worms> and top it with a habanero slice. lick, Chew, shoot, then sucka lime. :) |
| 20:02.17 | Com[Plex] | its a flavor explosion./ hahah |
| 20:02.43 | Com[Plex] | your tounge just about leaps out of your mouth from the hot pepper. and I grow em in my window sill :) |
| 20:02.53 | nerdboy | never tried that one... |
| 20:03.05 | Wintre | plex: That is nuts. |
| 20:03.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:03.09 | Com[Plex] | yup :) |
| 20:03.11 | kergoth | i gotta try that shit |
| 20:03.19 | Wintre | I will stay away |
| 20:03.23 | chouimat | kergoth: seen my modif to config.in? |
| 20:03.28 | kergoth | chouimat: yep, looks fine |
| 20:03.30 | Com[Plex] | alot of people do shots of tequila with tabasco sause. but I think that stuff is just too vinegary |
| 20:03.59 | nerdboy | tabasco sucks |
| 20:04.00 | kergoth | bleh, tobasco |
| 20:04.08 | Com[Plex] | yeah. |
| 20:04.14 | nerdboy | fresh red sauce |
| 20:04.23 | Com[Plex] | you guys have a restaurant called "margaritas" in your area? |
| 20:04.31 | Com[Plex] | we got a bunch of em in my state, <maine> |
| 20:04.37 | nerdboy | nope |
| 20:04.39 | JuanBlan | Some body knows why the icons of my opera dont appear ????? |
| 20:04.47 | nerdboy | we got the real thing |
| 20:04.53 | JuanBlan | Margaritas.... spanish |
| 20:05.13 | Com[Plex] | they got this hot sauce called fuego sauce, made from habanaros, and its one of the more lively hab' sauces out there. very hot. |
| 20:05.33 | nerdboy | (many restaraunts here are run by immigrants from mexico) |
| 20:05.44 | Com[Plex] | I love margaritas, and the restaurants pretty good too. :) |
| 20:05.52 | Wintre | It's nearly impossible to get spicy food in Oslo |
| 20:05.58 | nerdboy | some really good food and real salsa... |
| 20:06.16 | Wintre | There are a couple of Indian places that will do it for real, and one nice Mexican place. But in general Norwegian food is bland |
| 20:06.17 | Com[Plex] | well. anyone in here who knows where maine is, knows that its as far away as you can get from mexico without a space ship. |
| 20:06.31 | nerdboy | Com[Plex]: mmm, hornitos margaritas... |
| 20:06.35 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: MN isnt much better |
| 20:06.44 | JuanBlan | margarita is the name of girls and a flower |
| 20:06.44 | kergoth | isnt shit for decent mexican around here |
| 20:06.52 | treke | Wintre: move :) |
| 20:07.13 | nerdboy | JuanBlan: spell it wrong? |
| 20:07.29 | chouimat | Wintre: and Quebecers food is fat |
| 20:07.39 | JuanBlan | good nerdboy |
| 20:07.44 | Com[Plex] | wait a sec, what is a hornito anyway? |
| 20:07.59 | nerdboy | tequila sauza - hornitos |
| 20:08.01 | treke | chouimat |
| 20:08.06 | treke | on a saturday night |
| 20:08.28 | Com[Plex] | oh.. thats like, a little volcano too, isnt it? |
| 20:09.03 | nerdboy | it's smooooooth |
| 20:09.08 | nerdboy | :) |
| 20:09.12 | Com[Plex] | :) |
| 20:10.39 | nerdboy | geophysics degree at SDSU... |
| 20:11.16 | nerdboy | and geologists just looove beer and tequila :) |
| 20:20.51 | nerdboy | so did everyone go off for tequila shooters? |
| 20:21.04 | nerdboy | i still have to work... :( |
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| 20:37.15 | Com[Plex] | hehehe |
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| 20:58.25 | chouimat|away | later guys |
| 20:59.52 | nerdboy | cya |
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| 21:24.53 | oberon | o~kergoth: hi |
| 21:25.06 | oberon | bist du da? |
| 21:25.24 | oberon | uhm .. how are u? |
| 21:25.49 | kergoth | tired, angry, feel sick |
| 21:25.50 | kergoth | long day |
| 21:26.06 | oberon | did u take a look at the email i sent u 2 days ago? |
| 21:26.07 | angry | i'm angry too :( |
| 21:26.14 | oberon | hehe |
| 21:26.16 | treke | kergoth: good thing there are only 4 hours left |
| 21:26.32 | kergoth | ~lart treke |
| 21:26.37 | treke | thats only 240 minutes |
| 21:27.00 | kergoth | tempted to tell my boss i'm sick and leave |
| 21:27.03 | kergoth | blech |
| 21:27.12 | oberon | o~kergoth: what time is it in your place? |
| 21:27.34 | kergoth | 3:27pm |
| 21:27.50 | oberon | :) |
| 21:28.11 | oberon | 22:27 .. my time:) |
| 21:28.29 | kergoth | oberon: where you at? |
| 21:28.33 | ljp_work | I can vouch for you that you are sick |
| 21:28.44 | kergoth | ljp_work: thanks! |
| 21:28.45 | icefox | hehe me too |
| 21:28.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:28.57 | ljp_work | :) |
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| 21:54.17 | PorkySpine | hi. |
| 21:54.44 | PorkySpine | can someone tell me why my usbdnet patch keeps crashing? |
| 21:55.07 | PorkySpine | i have usb-uhci. |
| 21:55.27 | oberon | ^^ <--- same shit |
| 21:55.40 | PorkySpine | with this module, my kernel (in my desktop) crashes after some time |
| 21:55.44 | oberon | o~kergoth: germany |
| 21:55.59 | oberon | uhm.. no |
| 21:56.22 | PorkySpine | with uhci module, my connection closes after a while! |
| 21:56.27 | oberon | mx problem is that the zaurus disconnects after a short time.. |
| 21:56.42 | oberon | now that is my prob!! |
| 21:56.57 | oberon | u get access to ur zaurus as well? |
| 21:57.02 | oberon | ssh? |
| 21:57.35 | PorkySpine | yup |
| 21:58.03 | PorkySpine | its the same... |
| 21:58.26 | PorkySpine | maybe you are using uhci instead of usb-uhci |
| 21:58.29 | oberon | i tried the 2.4.20 patched |
| 21:58.35 | oberon | the 21pre-5 |
| 21:58.41 | oberon | no |
| 21:58.42 | PorkySpine | been there, done that... |
| 21:59.06 | gaurdian | anyone know of an app that checks airline schedules ? I am slowly replaceing all my Palm apps with apps for the Z |
| 21:59.11 | oberon | ive compieled about 20 kernels the last 3 days |
| 21:59.49 | PorkySpine | maybe is some other option that is mixing it up.. |
| 22:00.02 | PorkySpine | do u use preemptive kernel? |
| 22:02.03 | oberon | what is the option called in the config file? |
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| 22:05.31 | darkschneider | lo all |
| 22:05.38 | darkschneider | i have a fast question |
| 22:05.55 | PorkySpine | oberon: preemptive kernel |
| 22:06.25 | PorkySpine | oberon: in processor type and features |
| 22:06.40 | darkschneider | better the last sharp pda or the one just before (that have been updated with more memory)?? |
| 22:08.51 | PorkySpine | Can someone that has no problem with usbdnet send me /usr/src/linux/.config file? |
| 22:09.35 | darkschneider | i mean better the SL-5600 or the SL-5500 beacsue i'm going to buy one and i want some suggestion form you that use it. |
| 22:09.46 | oberon | did u see that option? |
| 22:11.33 | PorkySpine | nops... the variable is CONFIG_PREEMPT |
| 22:12.44 | PorkySpine | darkschneider: SL5600 also comes with a faster processor... |
| 22:12.58 | treke | PorkySpine: not really |
| 22:13.08 | treke | PorkySpine: It comes with a different proccesor :) |
| 22:13.19 | darkschneider | indeed |
| 22:13.26 | darkschneider | better the intel or the ARM?? |
| 22:13.41 | oberon | lol |
| 22:13.45 | oberon | both intel |
| 22:13.58 | darkschneider | eheh i'm not an exper |
| 22:14.14 | darkschneider | oberon what is your suggestion |
| 22:14.23 | oberon | dont know |
| 22:14.24 | darkschneider | sl5600 seem to me to have a few memory (32 MB) |
| 22:14.29 | treke | darkschneider: how big a concern is battery life and money? |
| 22:14.30 | oberon | the 5600 is better |
| 22:14.36 | treke | darkschneider: same amount of memory |
| 22:14.40 | oberon | but the 5500 is cheaper |
| 22:14.54 | darkschneider | i got saving for 1 year to buy one of those |
| 22:15.02 | darkschneider | so if the difference is nto much |
| 22:15.03 | PorkySpine | Can someone that has no problem with usbdnet send me /usr/src/linux/.config file? |
| 22:15.10 | darkschneider | no problem to take the sl5600 |
| 22:15.23 | oberon | the sl5600 got 16 mb flsh rom more than the 5500 |
| 22:15.29 | darkschneider | but i want to me sure it worth the more money i pay it |
| 22:15.33 | oberon | and is a bit faster |
| 22:15.39 | sukoshi | PorkySpine: use usbnet instead |
| 22:15.47 | oberon | got a better display |
| 22:15.54 | oberon | but thats it |
| 22:15.56 | sukoshi | darkschneider: i own a 5600 |
| 22:16.00 | treke | darkschneider: try and decide whether having a faster cpu is better than longer battery life |
| 22:16.08 | darkschneider | faster cpu |
| 22:16.10 | treke | oberon: hrm, last I heard its the exact same lcd |
| 22:16.18 | treke | darkschneider: then your probably want the 5500 |
| 22:16.25 | PorkySpine | sukoshi: ok... thx |
| 22:16.27 | darkschneider | ok use it in university so i have oftern ac |
| 22:16.28 | oberon | treke:! |
| 22:16.35 | oberon | wont use more energy |
| 22:16.39 | darkschneider | i need it to write c code |
| 22:16.41 | oberon | does it? |
| 22:16.45 | sukoshi | 5600 doesn't run faster even if the processor is @ 400mhz |
| 22:16.46 | oberon | lol |
| 22:16.59 | sukoshi | but battery lasts 8h playing ogg |
| 22:16.59 | treke | oberon: huh? |
| 22:17.05 | darkschneider | sukoshi you sure? so you suggest sl5500? |
| 22:17.12 | treke | oberon: the 5600 is much better power wise |
| 22:17.17 | sukoshi | it depends on the price |
| 22:17.32 | treke | oberon: The battery is about double the size |
| 22:17.38 | darkschneider | i'm reseller so the difference is about 10% for me |
| 22:17.39 | sukoshi | i tried OZ on sl5500, it is far away smoother than my sharp rom |
| 22:18.07 | darkschneider | i allready own a ibm microdrive |
| 22:18.09 | sukoshi | battery lasts about 4h on 5500, 18h on 5600 (if you don't use audio) |
| 22:18.26 | sukoshi | darkschneider: with a microdrive don't think 5500 but 5600 |
| 22:18.27 | darkschneider | hooo that's a lot of autonomy!! |
| 22:18.37 | darkschneider | ok then i take 5600 |
| 22:18.43 | sukoshi | microdrive drains so many energy |
| 22:18.55 | darkschneider | indeed but hold so much tings :P |
| 22:19.12 | sukoshi | darkschneider: moreover, our beloved kergoth is about to release alpha release of OZ for 5600 soon |
| 22:19.15 | sukoshi | ;) |
| 22:19.23 | darkschneider | wow! |
| 22:19.41 | darkschneider | ok antoehr question on the sl5600 |
| 22:19.44 | sukoshi | kernel hacking on my 5600 (B500 exactly aka japanese 5600) was interesting |
| 22:19.59 | sukoshi | http://sukoshi.free.fr/zaurus/ if you wanna see pics |
| 22:20.38 | darkschneider | how much of the code i write for linux i can resuse on the sharp embemed lionux (excuding grapich library) |
| 22:20.47 | darkschneider | (i go to see the hacking immediatly) |
| 22:21.22 | treke | erm, linux is linux |
| 22:21.36 | PorkySpine | well... all :) |
| 22:21.37 | sukoshi | treke is right |
| 22:21.43 | darkschneider | ok so basicaly it rund.. it's my first embembed sistem... |
| 22:21.51 | sukoshi | just download openzaurus crosscompiler |
| 22:21.58 | PorkySpine | u just have to cross-compile it, if its not java :) |
| 22:22.14 | treke | all embedded means is that there isnt much space |
| 22:22.17 | darkschneider | yes it is C so i have to crosscompile it |
| 22:22.28 | darkschneider | hoo ok |
| 22:22.34 | darkschneider | learned that :) |
| 22:22.49 | darkschneider | so i think i go for the sl5600 happly |
| 22:23.04 | darkschneider | now i have only to become sharp impoter for italy :P |
| 22:23.19 | darkschneider | since sharp do not sell it here :P |
| 22:23.28 | darkschneider | some nice internet shop to buy it? |
| 22:23.33 | treke | nope |
| 22:23.41 | treke | it isnt available except in japan |
| 22:23.56 | darkschneider | you joking... |
| 22:24.00 | sukoshi | darkschneider: i'm going to japan in 2 weeks and will bring back some Z |
| 22:24.01 | darkschneider | i hope.. |
| 22:24.02 | treke | no I'm not |
| 22:24.14 | darkschneider | SUKOSHI! |
| 22:24.19 | darkschneider | you are my man! |
| 22:24.27 | treke | sukoshi: I'm sorry |
| 22:24.28 | darkschneider | i'm italian |
| 22:24.41 | darkschneider | i go to paris 1 time a month |
| 22:24.55 | dmalloc | hrrm is it normal for the usbnet to go down after a while ? |
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| 22:25.05 | darkschneider | so you perfect |
| 22:25.23 | PorkySpine | darkschneider: hehe i'm from Portugal, and my zaurus came in my aunt's bag from usa |
| 22:25.24 | sukoshi | darkschneider: eheheh what are you interesting in? |
| 22:25.24 | darkschneider | lol dmalloc :P |
| 22:25.38 | dmalloc | oh well to me it is a toy anyways so I did not want to spend that much money |
| 22:25.41 | sukoshi | c700 costs 580euros |
| 22:25.50 | darkschneider | sukoshi yes, but it will be english lenguage ot japan? |
| 22:25.52 | sukoshi | b500 (aka 5600) is 470 |
| 22:26.10 | sukoshi | darkschneider: yes and no, you just have to modify locale.conf |
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| 22:26.26 | sukoshi | language = jp becomes language = en |
| 22:26.29 | sukoshi | then reboot |
| 22:26.30 | darkschneider | c700 ?? what is that?? |
| 22:26.33 | sukoshi | that's all |
| 22:26.36 | darkschneider | heh lol |
| 22:26.49 | sukoshi | darkschneider: you don't know c700 ?? |
| 22:26.51 | darkschneider | i think i can do that since i use slack on my box :P |
| 22:26.53 | dmalloc | sukoshi: and why are you telling me now ? ;) |
| 22:26.57 | darkschneider | c700 no |
| 22:27.06 | sukoshi | http://sl.ezaurus.com |
| 22:27.16 | darkschneider | sharp site show only sl5600 and sl 5500 |
| 22:27.31 | sukoshi | darkschneider: C700 = same hardware spec as b500 but 640*480 screen |
| 22:27.37 | treke | c700 isnt on the site because its another japanese Zaurus |
| 22:27.54 | treke | and the battery out of the 5500 |
| 22:27.57 | darkschneider | damn japanies they got all lucks... |
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| 22:28.36 | dmalloc | bah I will do fine in the 5500G |
| 22:28.42 | darkschneider | lol i have difficulties reading the site :PPP i think towmorrow i wil call my japan friend |
| 22:29.00 | sukoshi | jsut look @ the pics ;) |
| 22:29.23 | sukoshi | darkschneider: if you want me to bring one back : sukoshi@free.fr |
| 22:29.27 | darkschneider | ok then b700 worth the money to b500? |
| 22:29.28 | dmalloc | I wonder if the ibm 1gig micropdrive works well with the zaurus ? |
| 22:29.35 | darkschneider | ok |
| 22:29.44 | darkschneider | dmalloc i hope yes |
| 22:29.47 | darkschneider | since i have one :P |
| 22:29.55 | dmalloc | I heard they drain too much power |
| 22:30.01 | darkschneider | an going to buy the zaurus :P |
| 22:30.12 | darkschneider | yes but on cameras it's not important |
| 22:30.25 | sukoshi | darkschneider: form factor isn't the same and C700 autonomy is like 5500 |
| 22:30.46 | sukoshi | for the moment, i prefer my B500, as it is the same formfactor as 5500 |
| 22:30.47 | gaurdian | They work fine but are power hogs on the Z, I am useing a 512mb CF and 512 SD card |
| 22:31.10 | dmalloc | 512 sd and cf is so expensive in europe |
| 22:31.21 | gaurdian | I just use the 512 CF for mp3's and such though, the SD is always in the Z |
| 22:31.26 | sukoshi | dmalloc: i'll try to bring back some for me |
| 22:31.33 | sukoshi | they're a little bit cheaper |
| 22:31.47 | dmalloc | sukoshi: hehe I will now keep your email ;) |
| 22:31.57 | darkschneider | sukoshi ok then i wil compare those new things b700 and b500 autonomy is really not a problem for me.. |
| 22:31.58 | sukoshi | dmalloc: where t u from? |
| 22:32.07 | PorkySpine | i have a SD too... from the USA, of course |
| 22:32.09 | sukoshi | darkschneider C700 |
| 22:32.18 | gaurdian | I am actually fully set on my Z now, CF card, SD card, CF WIFI, CF Lan... |
| 22:32.27 | dmalloc | I am living in austria, so right around the corner |
| 22:32.30 | PorkySpine | in here they are stupidly expensive |
| 22:32.45 | darkschneider | porky here too |
| 22:32.55 | gaurdian | ebay :) |
| 22:33.01 | darkschneider | indeed microdrive is less expensive thean memory... |
| 22:33.05 | sukoshi | the main difference is also about taxes |
| 22:33.13 | sukoshi | 19.6% vat in france |
| 22:33.15 | darkschneider | italy +20% usa :) |
| 22:33.16 | sukoshi | 5 in japan |
| 22:33.25 | gaurdian | I herd microdrive eats the power though |
| 22:33.36 | sukoshi | gaurdian: that DRAINS power |
| 22:33.38 | gaurdian | bafd |
| 22:33.38 | darkschneider | yes but better power than money :P |
| 22:34.26 | sukoshi | i've read on slashdot.jp some times ago that a chinese company will soon launch a microdrive 2.4Gb at the price of the IBM 1Gb one |
| 22:34.40 | darkschneider | eeeekkkkk! |
| 22:34.58 | sukoshi | but it is chinese, so i fear poor quality... |
| 22:34.58 | darkschneider | i hate investimets..... |
| 22:35.12 | darkschneider | imb is impressively fast |
| 22:35.18 | sukoshi | IBM is made in USA i think, no? |
| 22:35.31 | gaurdian | yes, IBM is USA |
| 22:35.32 | darkschneider | imb taiwan.. porobably |
| 22:35.38 | gaurdian | uh..no |
| 22:35.59 | darkschneider | ok looked on my hdd |
| 22:36.06 | darkschneider | it is taiwan |
| 22:36.06 | sukoshi | and? |
| 22:36.12 | PorkySpine | well... i am going... i still have a 56kb modem... (its not funny that i live in this f***in' country) |
| 22:36.21 | darkschneider | but maybe europe supply are different form usa ones |
| 22:36.30 | sukoshi | darkschneider: maybe |
| 22:36.35 | darkschneider | porky eheh :P |
| 22:36.42 | darkschneider | porky see u |
| 22:36.52 | PorkySpine | darkschneider: i said its NOT funny!! |
| 22:37.00 | darkschneider | posry sorry :( |
| 22:37.04 | PorkySpine | :)) |
| 22:37.09 | darkschneider | i have a friend there with sat and isdn |
| 22:37.17 | darkschneider | he is sad too... |
| 22:37.25 | PorkySpine | its not for a long time... i'll have adsl pretty soon |
| 22:37.40 | darkschneider | hoo luky you.. adsl better than sat |
| 22:38.14 | PorkySpine | depends... its just 512kb downstream... |
| 22:38.31 | PorkySpine | (better that modem...) |
| 22:38.53 | darkschneider | eheh in italy expensive adsl are 320 down... |
| 22:39.04 | darkschneider | soo :) you luck :P |
| 22:39.46 | PorkySpine | really? and cable? |
| 22:39.47 | sukoshi | PorkySpine: my adsl is 128kbps |
| 22:40.02 | sukoshi | i've got a cheap adsl line |
| 22:40.37 | darkschneider | no cable in italy |
| 22:40.40 | PorkySpine | ok... here the "standard" is 512 |
| 22:40.40 | darkschneider | :) |
| 22:41.26 | sukoshi | PorkySpine: here it was, but the released downgrade speed @ 30 euros/month |
| 22:41.53 | darkschneider | some really luck of us that live in big city have "Fastweb" that is anm enormous city lan that gove 10Mbit/s to evey user |
| 22:41.54 | sukoshi | and as i'm not a P2P addict 512 is too much for me |
| 22:42.19 | sukoshi | darkschneider: i've heard os such projects in Paris |
| 22:42.32 | darkschneider | in italy for soemt things it work well |
| 22:42.40 | dmalloc | or you sit on a 2.5Gbit uplink at work like me |
| 22:42.41 | dmalloc | NUAHAAHAH |
| 22:42.47 | darkschneider | i actualy download distros at 900kb/s |
| 22:43.09 | darkschneider | dmalloc lol :PPPPP 2.5.. lol |
| 22:43.28 | darkschneider | 2.5 GBit is LOL and nothing more :P |
| 22:44.46 | dmalloc | Vienna Internet Xchange has an aggregate bw of 16Gbit |
| 22:44.46 | dmalloc | so our uplink is rather small |
| 22:45.41 | darkschneider | eheh we do not have so big lines here |
| 22:45.56 | do_guh_new | anybody have a link for me to read about setting up my wireless cf netcard to get on the net? |
| 22:46.03 | do_guh_new | having trouble |
| 22:46.08 | darkschneider | even the "national mixer" i have been was under the Gbit externaly.. |
| 22:47.42 | dmalloc | STM1 for my house would be neat |
| 22:47.43 | dmalloc | (155 Mbit) |
| 22:48.22 | darkschneider | eeekkk!| |
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| 22:55.18 | JuanBlan | hi |
| 22:55.29 | JuanBlan | i have a problem, |
| 22:56.01 | Com[Plex] | heheh |
| 22:56.22 | JuanBlan | now, i have installed the Open Zauurus and i wont to install the program to read mail of Sharp Rom |
| 22:56.32 | kergoth | so install it |
| 22:56.36 | kergoth | whats the problem? |
| 22:57.12 | JuanBlan | i dont have it |
| 22:57.46 | kergoth | so install it |
| 22:57.50 | kergoth | its on ZSI |
| 22:57.51 | kergoth | go download it |
| 22:57.55 | Com[Plex] | download it |
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| 22:58.10 | JuanBlan | ok |
| 22:58.11 | JuanBlan | thx |
| 22:58.47 | dmalloc | Thank you for the patience gentleman. I will try to learn quick and try the openrom as soon as I feel brave ;) |
| 22:59.59 | darkschneider | later |
| 23:00.27 | dmalloc | good night, kergoth, SuKo_Awy, Com[Plex] and darkschneider |
| 23:00.33 | Com[Plex] | nite dude :) |
| 23:00.36 | kergoth | night |
| 23:00.38 | darkschneider | night |
| 23:00.41 | Com[Plex] | ibot: botsnack |
| 23:00.41 | | aw, gee, Com[Plex] |
| 23:00.48 | Com[Plex] | hehehe |
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| 23:04.18 | SuKo_Awy | night |
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| 23:09.12 | darkschneider | someone her is expert of c code |
| 23:09.23 | darkschneider | i need a small guru to figure out a killed bug |
| 23:09.36 | darkschneider | killer bug |
| 23:09.47 | SuKo_Awy | darkschneider: sorry, i'm still learning programming :p |
| 23:10.00 | darkschneider | hehe :P tx anyway :) |
| 23:10.14 | darkschneider | i have a code tha compiles and does nothing of what it must do... |
| 23:10.31 | SuKo_Awy | on Zaurus? |
| 23:10.42 | darkschneider | no it's plain linux c |
| 23:11.06 | SuKo_Awy | unluckily for you, you're on an american channel |
| 23:11.22 | darkschneider | why unluckly= |
| 23:11.23 | darkschneider | ? |
| 23:11.24 | SuKo_Awy | so, your american fellows aren't available now ;) |
| 23:11.29 | darkschneider | ahh |
| 23:11.31 | darkschneider | hehe :P |
| 23:11.36 | darkschneider | i'm italian |
| 23:11.40 | SuKo_Awy | french |
| 23:11.50 | SuKo_Awy | come va ;) |
| 23:11.51 | darkschneider | teheh lot of french here |
| 23:11.57 | darkschneider | bene grazie :) |
| 23:12.08 | darkschneider | un po incazzato perchè il programma non compila.. |
| 23:12.11 | SuKo_Awy | my grandmother was italian |
| 23:12.14 | darkschneider | ok i stop that |
| 23:12.16 | darkschneider | nice ):) |
| 23:12.24 | SuKo_Awy | from Bergamo |
| 23:12.27 | darkschneider | sage grandmathoer :) |
| 23:12.33 | darkschneider | hoo i'm from milano |
| 23:12.37 | SuKo_Awy | she died in last december :( alzheimer... |
| 23:12.38 | darkschneider | she was from padania |
| 23:12.42 | darkschneider | :(((( |
| 23:12.50 | darkschneider | i'm sad |
| 23:12.54 | SuKo_Awy | Milano ! my wife loves it |
| 23:13.02 | darkschneider | i love grandmas and pas they are very sage |
| 23:13.07 | darkschneider | eheh milano is nice city |
| 23:13.09 | SuKo_Awy | i've only been on the west coast by smart |
| 23:13.26 | SuKo_Awy | my wife has a job related o fashion... |
| 23:13.33 | darkschneider | ehhe milano is my city and i love it a lot :) |
| 23:13.39 | darkschneider | ahh this is her week |
| 23:13.50 | darkschneider | wher you whife work my mother does fashing too |
| 23:14.00 | darkschneider | metro burton lagayette |
| 23:14.11 | darkschneider | lafayette |
| 23:14.13 | SuKo_Awy | my wife has her own company : handcrafted shoes |
| 23:14.21 | darkschneider | hoo nice |
| 23:14.30 | SuKo_Awy | your mother is in France? |
| 23:14.34 | darkschneider | hi fashion or |
| 23:14.53 | darkschneider | not just now, but she goes to france every month |
| 23:15.02 | SuKo_Awy | she's a buyer maybe? |
| 23:15.44 | darkschneider | no |
| 23:15.47 | darkschneider | she seller |
| 23:15.54 | darkschneider | we make "made in italy" |
| 23:16.05 | SuKo_Awy | great |
| 23:16.08 | darkschneider | italian production to france |
| 23:16.24 | darkschneider | every france shop has something of my mother :P |
| 23:16.35 | darkschneider | celio |
| 23:16.38 | SuKo_Awy | hey what kind of brand? |
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| 23:16.46 | darkschneider | various |
| 23:16.49 | SuKo_Awy | celio, i know ! |
| 23:16.54 | darkschneider | heeh burton |
| 23:17.09 | darkschneider | metro france |
| 23:17.15 | SuKo_Awy | ok i know this too |
| 23:17.23 | darkschneider | i do not remember others.. |
| 23:17.26 | darkschneider | but lot more |
| 23:18.00 | SuKo_Awy | darkschneider: maybe Brice too |
| 23:18.05 | darkschneider | me make like 10000 cashmere pull overs |
| 23:18.22 | darkschneider | mm brice... say me something but not sure... |
| 23:18.48 | SuKo_Awy | wow big business, my wife has 2 associates, and hand make 200/300 pair of shoes per collection |
| 23:19.02 | darkschneider | not bad |
| 23:19.18 | SuKo_Awy | not enough to earn enough money for 3 persons... |
| 23:19.22 | darkschneider | some yeard only metro france bought 8K pullovers.. |
| 23:19.35 | darkschneider | eheh you will grow |
| 23:19.38 | SuKo_Awy | and french market is dead for shoe making |
| 23:19.41 | darkschneider | just trake time |
| 23:20.04 | darkschneider | my mother took 35 years of work to reach this kind of buisness |
| 23:20.16 | SuKo_Awy | yes, they have too... but you know when you need to buy italian leather, the seller wants big quantities |
| 23:20.36 | darkschneider | yes true |
| 23:20.39 | SuKo_Awy | that's the most difficult |
| 23:21.04 | darkschneider | same problem we have to give supplies to smal couties.. like libano and other emerging countries |
| 23:21.14 | SuKo_Awy | They want you to buy 200square meter when you just need 20 ;) |
| 23:21.22 | darkschneider | heheh true |
| 23:21.42 | darkschneider | in italy we have a lot of places that work on "pronto" |
| 23:21.43 | SuKo_Awy | maybe your mother knows leathercraft in Italy |
| 23:21.49 | darkschneider | pronto=ready |
| 23:21.54 | SuKo_Awy | i know |
| 23:21.54 | darkschneider | sure |
| 23:22.05 | SuKo_Awy | i used to understand italian when i was a child |
| 23:22.13 | SuKo_Awy | i lived with my grandmother's mother |
| 23:22.16 | darkschneider | ehhe was just to be sure :) |
| 23:22.22 | SuKo_Awy | Erminia, that only speaks italian |
| 23:22.35 | darkschneider | hehe bisgrandmother |
| 23:22.41 | darkschneider | nice name too |
| 23:22.47 | darkschneider | roman name |
| 23:23.04 | SuKo_Awy | but as soon as she died i forgot italian, and nowadays, i can't speak |
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| 23:23.19 | darkschneider | you need only a bit of practice it hink |
| 23:23.30 | SuKo_Awy | Angiolini Erminia (bigGM) Angiolini Wanda (my GM) |
| 23:23.42 | darkschneider | because when you learn things as a child it's hard to forgot them |
| 23:23.58 | darkschneider | angiolini tipcal surname :) |
| 23:24.14 | darkschneider | i hope you come to italy someday |
| 23:24.26 | darkschneider | i show you some o milan with your wife |
| 23:24.27 | SuKo_Awy | i'd like to come to Milano |
| 23:24.43 | SuKo_Awy | i only visited Roma and the western coast |
| 23:24.56 | darkschneider | eheh i do not like roma :P |
| 23:24.57 | SuKo_Awy | we took my smart from Paris for a roadtrip :) |
| 23:25.01 | darkschneider | i'm padanian |
| 23:25.07 | darkschneider | wow! |
| 23:25.13 | darkschneider | nice tour |
| 23:25.18 | SuKo_Awy | i've been in roma in christmas period |
| 23:25.27 | SuKo_Awy | no romans in Roma, it was perfect |
| 23:25.38 | SuKo_Awy | everybody told us : don't go to Roma by car ! |
| 23:25.48 | SuKo_Awy | hey, there was NOBODY |
| 23:25.56 | darkschneider | padanian mean that i want to separate italy from mafia |
| 23:26.06 | darkschneider | hehe you luck |
| 23:26.13 | darkschneider | romans are not pretty at all.. |
| 23:26.18 | SuKo_Awy | my wife was a little bit disappointed, because not so many shops open ;) |
| 23:26.33 | darkschneider | it's easy they phisiacaly kick you if you just look at them |
| 23:26.36 | SuKo_Awy | better be italian than sicilian ;) |
| 23:26.38 | darkschneider | eeekk |
| 23:26.43 | darkschneider | poor wife :p |
| 23:26.51 | darkschneider | you was luck instead |
| 23:27.05 | SuKo_Awy | my bank account was LOL |
| 23:27.06 | darkschneider | not habing to walk for hours in front of shops.. :) |
| 23:27.12 | darkschneider | heeheh :) |
| 23:27.49 | SuKo_Awy | darkschneider: i need to go to sleep, it is late, i need to me on a meeting at 8 :x |
| 23:27.55 | SuKo_Awy | see ya ! |
| 23:28.01 | darkschneider | hoo see ya |
| 23:28.02 | darkschneider | :) |
| 23:28.05 | SuKo_Awy | buena sera |
| 23:28.07 | darkschneider | and good night |
| 23:28.11 | darkschneider | notte |
| 23:28.15 | darkschneider | buona notte :) |
| 23:28.17 | SuKo_Awy | ah merde |
| 23:28.20 | darkschneider | lol |
| 23:28.21 | darkschneider | :) |
| 23:28.28 | SuKo_Awy | mierda ? |
| 23:28.31 | darkschneider | merda |
| 23:28.47 | SuKo_Awy | french and ialian is sometimes very close |
| 23:28.49 | SuKo_Awy | lol |
| 23:28.51 | darkschneider | yes lot |
| 23:28.55 | darkschneider | local dialect |
| 23:29.01 | darkschneider | is very close |
| 23:29.05 | SuKo_Awy | i'm usually from Marseille |
| 23:29.16 | darkschneider | hoo been there |
| 23:29.17 | darkschneider | :) |
| 23:29.17 | SuKo_Awy | i used to speak provencal a little bit |
| 23:29.21 | darkschneider | eheh |
| 23:29.36 | SuKo_Awy | many italian influences in this language |
| 23:29.41 | darkschneider | yes |
| 23:29.43 | darkschneider | indeed |
| 23:29.44 | SuKo_Awy | buona notte ! |
| 23:29.49 | darkschneider | notte :) |
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| 23:47.15 | boo1 | hey anyone around? |
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