| 00:04.41 | chouimat | hobbs: tried linux on it? |
| 00:05.02 | hobbs | chouimat: no, due to lack of a keyboard. |
| 00:05.08 | hobbs | (and lack of anything to run in it anyway) |
| 00:05.49 | chouimat | hobbs: check EB games web site they have a ps/2 keyboard adapter |
| 00:05.58 | hobbs | ooh! ooh ooh! |
| 00:05.58 | Aimio | Has no one not managed to make the ps/2 -> sharp serial convertor + serial port driver yet? |
| 00:06.17 | hobbs | first I'll have to find my AT->ps/2 adapter though ;) |
| 00:06.38 | chouimat | hobbs: hehe |
| 00:08.15 | Aimio | I'm having trouble figuring out how to make the Sharp i/o port to serial port bit |
| 00:08.16 | chouimat | need to find a working one |
| 00:08.45 | hobbs | chouimat: I can't find it at ebgames |
| 00:08.59 | chouimat | hobbs: wait |
| 00:10.03 | _Psycho | question: I tried mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/mmcda1, the card is formated, but when i mount it, it wrote (vfat), it is normal (i want fat16) |
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| 00:10.39 | chouimat | hobbs: try that site http://www.gocybershop.ca/ |
| 00:10.44 | kergoth | _Psycho: yes, the vfat _driver_ handles fat12, fat16, or fat32 |
| 00:10.45 | hobbs | _Psycho: you can have vfat on fat16. :) |
| 00:10.51 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:10.53 | _Psycho | thanks |
| 00:10.59 | _Psycho | wanted to make sure about it |
| 00:11.00 | hobbs | _Psycho: vfat vs msdos is about long filenames and such, not the number of fat bits. |
| 00:11.11 | _Psycho | i know ==p |
| 00:11.16 | _Psycho | oups |
| 00:11.17 | _Psycho | anyway |
| 00:11.18 | chouimat | hobbs: : http://www.gocybershop.ca/browse.html?Category=26 |
| 00:11.43 | Aimio | sharp i/o -> serial -> ps/2 isn't as easy as I thought it might :/ chouimat: that isn't what you 2 are talking about is it? |
| 00:11.46 | chouimat | hobbs: http://www.gocybershop.ca/cgi-bin/product.pl?Id=461 |
| 00:11.57 | chouimat | Aimio: no |
| 00:12.05 | kergoth | Aimio: whats the problem? |
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| 00:12.28 | kergoth | hey raster |
| 00:12.47 | hobbs | chouimat: got it. cool. |
| 00:12.47 | nerdboy | raster yo |
| 00:12.54 | hobbs | costs almost as much as the DC tho. :) |
| 00:12.58 | raster | kergoth: hey morning mate! |
| 00:13.02 | raster | nerdboy: hey hey |
| 00:13.06 | chouimat | http://www.gocybershop.ca/cgi-bin/product.pl?Id=146 |
| 00:13.13 | kergoth | raster: how goes it? |
| 00:13.22 | Aimio | kergoth: sharp i/o -> serial -> ps/2 isn't as easy as I thought it might. Trying to figure out if it'll work, that the serial port will show up as normal if the pins are right |
| 00:13.37 | kergoth | Aimio: ? its just a serial port.. there's nothing special about it. |
| 00:13.39 | _Psycho | damn sync is long :) |
| 00:14.08 | Aimio | and wether the normal linux sreial keyboard drivers will actually work as expected |
| 00:14.29 | kergoth | Aimio: once again, its a serial port. |
| 00:14.33 | kergoth | Aimio: heh |
| 00:14.56 | kergoth | a serial port is a serial port is a serial port. of course it'll work |
| 00:15.38 | raster | kergoth: been busy. flatmate moved out. needed to clean. wedding on weeekend - had to drive 8hrs nortyh to get to it... busy busy :) |
| 00:15.43 | chouimat | kergoth: hard day? |
| 00:15.49 | Aimio | as long as I get the pins unconfused with the sharp i/o ones (where is that sharp dev faq doc with info on the bottom port...) |
| 00:17.16 | kergoth | Aimio: why not just buy a Z serial cable? |
| 00:17.26 | kergoth | Aimio: you're making this out to be much more difficult than it actually is |
| 00:18.21 | Aimio | if I get a Z serial cable, are serial -> ps/2 adapters available? |
| 00:18.41 | chouimat | lol |
| 00:19.15 | krezel | There are strange tiny pieces of plastic that go in here someplace |
| 00:19.17 | yeiazel | target missed. He has landed on altavista. bad, bad, bad... |
| 00:19.17 | ljp | whats google? |
| 00:19.30 | Aimio | fair enough, searchin |
| 00:19.30 | kergoth | aha, altavista rocked back in the day |
| 00:19.37 | _Psycho | indeed |
| 00:19.47 | yeiazel | like you're saying... in the past, yes ;) |
| 00:20.01 | kergoth | back then, finding something on the net took actual skill |
| 00:20.02 | chouimat | hobbs: http://www.gocybershop.ca/cgi-bin/product.pl?Id=26 |
| 00:20.07 | kergoth | or at least some semblence of skill |
| 00:20.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:20.28 | krezel | I remember when you had to type a ~ in the address of Yahoo |
| 00:20.32 | chouimat | kergoth: ouch :) |
| 00:21.18 | kergoth | damnit, i drained my c700 battery to the point where it wont even turn on with the AC adapter in again |
| 00:21.28 | kergoth | i keep doing this.. cause console doesnt autosuspend, so i forget to run apm -s |
| 00:22.03 | kergoth | ah there we go |
| 00:22.50 | kergoth | heh, my 5500 is completely dead too. i need another charger |
| 00:23.16 | ljp | wwwaaaaaaa.. |
| 00:23.30 | ljp | poor kergoth's c700 battery died... wwwwwaaaaaaaaaa |
| 00:23.53 | chouimat | one more time: wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 00:23.56 | krezel | i'm with ljp |
| 00:23.58 | _Psycho | work great kergoth |
| 00:23.59 | ljp | hehehee |
| 00:24.13 | Aimio | can someone check this is the right one? http://www.cablegalaxy.com/showroom/3285.cfm a 9-pin serial -> 6pin din (ps2?) |
| 00:25.03 | krezel | Anybody here dissasembled a Z before? I think I have an extra part |
| 00:25.21 | _Psycho | its probably an useless part anyway |
| 00:25.33 | krezel | bah.. they throw extra parts in for fun anyways |
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| 00:26.12 | chouimat | krezel: that extra part is a Strongarm :) |
| 00:26.26 | krezel | Oh shoot.. might want to plug that back in |
| 00:27.50 | Aimio | It's cheaper for me to buy a IR keyboard than use ps2 keyboard adapters :p |
| 00:29.07 | kergoth | Aimio: yep |
| 00:29.25 | cwaig | except that IR keyboards don't work with OZ... |
| 00:29.31 | cwaig | (at the moment) |
| 00:29.32 | kergoth | cwaig: ? |
| 00:29.41 | kergoth | cwaig: you can use at least a copule of them with lirc and the lirc inputmethod |
| 00:29.48 | kergoth | cwaig: and in kernel proper driver support is forthcoming |
| 00:30.07 | cwaig | yeah, I know about the LIRC method (I wrote it) |
| 00:30.35 | kergoth | so whats the problem? they _work_, just happens to be rather hackish |
| 00:30.36 | cwaig | but the one that works best is the IrDA one, and that's screwed in 3.0-3.1rc2 |
| 00:30.44 | Aimio | so, best keyboard for Z? |
| 00:30.57 | kergoth | cwaig: yep, its already fixed in my trees |
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| 00:31.22 | cwaig | IMHO, it's gotta be the pocketop - I've got about half a dozen IR keyboards, and it's the best for the job... |
| 00:31.29 | kergoth | geh, forgot to rewrite the mtdram handling |
| 00:31.35 | kergoth | cant rleease rc3 without that fix.. |
| 00:31.53 | Aimio | what about being about to see the screen, something to angle it perhaps? |
| 00:32.00 | kergoth | Aimio: ? |
| 00:32.18 | kergoth | you mean like a Z stand to hold it upright horizontal? |
| 00:32.22 | cwaig | Aimo: it comes with a stand |
| 00:32.36 | Aimio | angle of zaurus without holder --> --- angle with ---> \ :) |
| 00:32.50 | cwaig | yup |
| 00:32.56 | Aimio | nice :) didn't relise the stand fits |
| 00:33.29 | cwaig | you lie the Z sideways in it, the IR port lines up perfect with the emitter in the keyboard... |
| 00:33.41 | cwaig | (if you rotate the screen 90) |
| 00:34.33 | Aimio | I'm not running opie yet, screen rotates all apps ok with opie? |
| 00:34.59 | cwaig | Screen rotates with any ROM |
| 00:35.31 | Aimio | <blush> haven't managed to do it with my sharp rom |
| 00:35.46 | kergoth | install qpe-rotation and qt-embedded-rotation |
| 00:36.03 | kergoth | it has worked since the first 5000d roms if you install those |
| 00:36.23 | cwaig | as the man says....... |
| 00:36.26 | Aimio | spot on ty |
| 00:37.09 | cwaig | if you're using IRK, you don't need qpe-rotation, as it's got it built in on a keyboard shortcut..... |
| 00:37.18 | _Psycho | work good kergoth, what is the best way to transfert stuff to it ? card reader ? (if its the only way atm) ? |
| 00:37.25 | cwaig | you just need the rotation fonts |
| 00:37.27 | kergoth | QPaintDevice: must construct a QApplication before a QPaintDevice |
| 00:37.29 | kergoth | fun |
| 00:37.42 | kergoth | _Psycho: usb _should_ be working, cf works fine, and wireless _should_ be working |
| 00:37.50 | kergoth | _Psycho: the former and latter havent been tested yet, feel free |
| 00:37.55 | _Psycho | ok i try to see if the usb thing work :) |
| 00:38.11 | kergoth | _Psycho: note that you need the right drive.. |
| 00:38.12 | kergoth | driver |
| 00:38.20 | kergoth | the 2.4.21-pre usbnet and any usbdnet dont have c700 support |
| 00:38.27 | kergoth | you want a patch against 2.4.20 to add Z usbnet + c700? |
| 00:38.32 | kergoth | i can email it your way |
| 00:38.42 | _Psycho | hehe sure |
| 00:39.12 | _Psycho | Store are close, i think im gonna buy a CF 32 megs for futur test tomorow or when i can |
| 00:39.30 | kergoth | _Psycho: sent |
| 00:39.32 | Shdwdrgn | well digi4me absolutely refuses to work with me on replacing the sandisk card with another brand, even though I offered to pay the difference... So now we begin the endless cycle of me sending back the card, they send me a new one, and we see how many days the new card works before it goes bad... |
| 00:39.33 | _Psycho | still browsing the system |
| 00:39.39 | _Psycho | rc6.d ? |
| 00:39.47 | kergoth | _Psycho: ? |
| 00:39.56 | kergoth | rc6.d is runlevel 6, aka reboot |
| 00:40.02 | kergoth | same as any linux box |
| 00:40.09 | _Psycho | ok was just checking |
| 00:40.21 | _Psycho | used to SCo and HP-UX at work |
| 00:40.37 | Aimio | <thinks> did he mention cf no longer needed and checks release notes |
| 00:42.57 | kergoth | argh |
| 00:43.08 | kergoth | why, oh why, did lineo not bind a key combination for ctrl+c in pure console? |
| 00:44.00 | kergoth | nono, its supposed to be rusty and jagged so it hurts lineo more! |
| 00:44.01 | kergoth | tisk tisk |
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| 00:51.26 | Aimio | changelog :D </insensitivity> |
| 00:58.19 | _Psycho | damn it seem that i ahve 2 stuck pixel on my c700 (blue one) |
| 01:00.16 | krezel | I have like stuck AREAS on my laptop... |
| 01:01.29 | _Psycho | only visible when the screen is all black, anyway not that bad |
| 01:08.00 | _Psycho | Didnt i saw a long todo list last time ? |
| 01:08.03 | _Psycho | ibot todo |
| 01:08.04 | | Simple command line-based todo script in Perl. URL: http://moses.datasys.net/~power/todo/todo-1.0.tgz |
| 01:12.52 | krezel | ibot iraq |
| 01:12.53 | | krezel: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 01:13.10 | krezel | iraq is a country |
| 01:13.14 | krezel | ibot iraq |
| 01:13.15 | | wish i knew, krezel |
| 01:13.21 | krezel | ibot is useless :) |
| 01:13.22 | | i don't know, krezel |
| 01:13.27 | krezel | Exactly |
| 01:13.41 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 01:13.42 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is -20 C (-4 F), windspeed is 27.36 km/h, and visibility is 24.14 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.04 0000 UTC). |
| 01:13.46 | kergoth | ibot: oz todo is http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO |
| 01:13.46 | | okay, kergoth |
| 01:14.38 | kergoth | krezel: what ya gonna do with it? |
| 01:14.43 | kergoth | web server? |
| 01:14.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:14.49 | kergoth | AP? |
| 01:15.04 | kergoth | course USB networking is a pretty slow path to router your wifi over |
| 01:15.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:15.11 | chouimat | ibot: sex |
| 01:15.13 | | rumour has it, sex is just google for it man!!!! |
| 01:15.37 | krezel | If I had cellular internet access, I'd make a mobile access point out of it |
| 01:15.58 | krezel | Might make an MP3 Jukebox for my car, mini web server, or just let it sit on my shelf collecting dust |
| 01:16.00 | kergoth | well, you'd have to use irda.. unless they have combination bt/wifi cf cards |
| 01:16.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:16.13 | krezel | Serial & a WiFi card |
| 01:16.24 | kergoth | yeah, thatd do |
| 01:16.31 | kergoth | ARM devices make great routers |
| 01:17.00 | krezel | Might be cool to host my webpage off a PDA though. |
| 01:17.06 | kergoth | nanoweb! |
| 01:17.12 | krezel | Plug it in at school, hide it in a closet, get free web hosting |
| 01:17.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:17.39 | _Psycho | chouimat, you live in quebec ? |
| 01:17.47 | _Psycho | (most likely) |
| 01:18.34 | kergoth | wonder if this cvs repos is the latest |
| 01:18.45 | krezel | kergoth: do you recruit new OZ developers? |
| 01:19.01 | kergoth | not actively. the opie folks need devs more than OZ does itself |
| 01:19.07 | kergoth | but any help is greatly appreciated |
| 01:19.15 | chouimat | _Psycho: oui pourquoi |
| 01:19.16 | kergoth | there are packages that are unmaintained one could pick up maintainance of for example |
| 01:19.20 | kergoth | kernel work to be done |
| 01:19.23 | kergoth | etc |
| 01:19.26 | krezel | After I finish this Zaurus project for school, I think I'd like to join on |
| 01:20.05 | _Psycho | chouimat, just curious ;) |
| 01:20.17 | kergoth | krezel: thatd be cool |
| 01:20.21 | _Psycho | I thought i was the only freak around here =p |
| 01:20.38 | krezel | The zaurus seems to have the friendliest community I've found yet |
| 01:20.42 | kergoth | _Psycho: you must be new |
| 01:20.47 | kergoth | _Psycho: if you think you're the only freak around here |
| 01:20.50 | kergoth | _Psycho: :D |
| 01:20.52 | _Psycho | haha i mean where i live |
| 01:20.57 | kergoth | ohhh |
| 01:20.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:21.13 | _Psycho | Because chouimat doesnt live too far ;) |
| 01:21.40 | _Psycho | how to reboot OZ ? (i did a shutdown but im stuck hehe) |
| 01:21.50 | chouimat | _Psycho: depend 241 KM est :) |
| 01:21.51 | _Psycho | do i* |
| 01:22.06 | _Psycho | chouimat, thats what i said, not too far =p |
| 01:22.12 | kergoth | _Psycho: c700? flip the switch in the back and back again, then hit power |
| 01:22.43 | _Psycho | oh it hough there was another way |
| 01:22.51 | _Psycho | like some keys combinations |
| 01:23.02 | chouimat | crisse de 2l de coke .... |
| 01:23.32 | _Psycho | pourquoi ? :) |
| 01:23.34 | Aimio | stange the way windows qTopia + Z on seprate server works |
| 01:23.54 | krezel | Monitor, webcam, Zaurus, Zaurus, cell phone charger, speaker, drawing pad (in that order) |
| 01:24.15 | chouimat | _Psycho: reste le fun pis j'ai besoin d'un paire de pince pour ouvrir la crisse de bouteille de plastique |
| 01:24.28 | krezel | Ack! French! |
| 01:24.41 | _Psycho | hahaha |
| 01:25.17 | _Psycho | talking about that made me hungry, gonna order |
| 01:25.18 | chouimat | pis ye flat en plus .... bon je vais aller me les gelers pour avoir une autre bouteille |
| 01:25.39 | krezel | Here in America we belive that foreign countries are simply settings for movies and comical television shows |
| 01:25.48 | _Psycho | its so frigging cold outside, i would not do that |
| 01:26.19 | chouimat | krezel: that because the average american is as dumb as a texan .... wait texas is part of the usa ok that explain it |
| 01:26.23 | chouimat | :} |
| 01:26.33 | kergoth | hrm |
| 01:26.48 | chouimat | kergoth: huh? |
| 01:26.53 | krezel | Yup... thats why its the average |
| 01:27.21 | chouimat | krezel: and I wouldn't be proud of it :) |
| 01:27.41 | krezel | Hey... There are stupid people everywhere |
| 01:27.44 | krezel | There are just more in texas |
| 01:27.44 | kergoth | chouimat: battling tslib |
| 01:28.06 | chouimat | krezel: here we call that Montreal :) |
| 01:28.12 | _Psycho | wtf |
| 01:28.19 | Aimio | krezel: may I pm? |
| 01:28.23 | _Psycho | good thing i dont came from here ! |
| 01:28.29 | krezel | Sure |
| 01:28.39 | krezel | Yeah I drove through Montreal on my way to Vermont... twas intresting |
| 01:28.45 | chouimat | _Psycho: just joking :) |
| 01:29.29 | chouimat | _Psycho: I have the proof the Montreal is a hole , they built a bridge to pass over it (autoroute metropolitaine) |
| 01:29.34 | _Psycho | its so cold outside, i wonder if the really delivery today |
| 01:29.48 | chouimat | _Psycho: yup ice cream :) |
| 01:30.58 | _Psycho | chouimat ta un c700 itou ? |
| 01:35.28 | kergoth | hey cool, tslib works |
| 01:37.03 | chouimat | _Psycho: non un 5000D |
| 01:37.09 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 01:38.19 | chouimat | _Psycho: pas les moyens d'acheter un c700 |
| 01:38.25 | kergoth | working without ctrl+c is going to drive me insane |
| 01:39.06 | _Psycho | je vois |
| 01:43.10 | chouimat | ibot seen Cloudchaser |
| 01:43.10 | | cloudchaser <~Cloudchas@ool-435684aa.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 5d 19h 45m 44s ago, saying: 'personally i don't give a shit about your sex lives'. |
| 01:43.59 | nayr | heh |
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| 02:13.32 | angry | is it possible to port a java app ot the zaurus without having the source? |
| 02:13.41 | angry | or without decompiling? |
| 02:16.23 | Bala | it depends. |
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| 02:43.01 | fredhampton | has anybody played around with zethereal? |
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| 03:02.54 | Aimio | why have >1 Z ? |
| 03:03.15 | kergoth | yo |
| 03:03.46 | treke|home | Aimio: why not? |
| 03:14.41 | Aimio | tisk ;) |
| 03:22.46 | treke|home | eh? |
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| 03:52.46 | chouimat|afk | _Psycho: |
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| 03:53.16 | chouimat|afk | _Psycho: http://www.kino00.com/film/startrek.ram |
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| 03:55.40 | Reptile | Hey I'm going to get a Zaurus within a month, but I'd like to know what the best way of inputting text into is. |
| 03:55.51 | _Psycho | I check |
| 03:55.58 | kergoth | um, the keyboard? |
| 03:55.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:56.01 | Reptile | On my palm pilot the hindwriting recognition sucks, and the onscreen keyboard blows. |
| 03:56.02 | NeoTron | Reptile: using the builtin keyboard... |
| 03:56.10 | Reptile | Can you type fairly fast? |
| 03:56.16 | NeoTron | sure |
| 03:56.21 | Reptile | I've got a stowaway keyboard for my Visor and I love it. |
| 03:56.22 | kergoth | faster than i can use any of the inputmethods |
| 03:56.46 | NeoTron | I believe someone has also used an infrared PocketPC kbd with the Zaurus |
| 03:56.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:57.00 | Reptile | Hrm. THat might be good. |
| 04:00.27 | mewyn | ~lart evolution |
| 04:00.52 | mewyn | damnit. it won't read my inbox on this pc |
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| 04:01.50 | mewyn | or not |
| 04:03.49 | chouimat | mewyn: hehe |
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| 04:07.40 | Aimio | Unfortunately I don't think there are any official Zaurus Keyboards |
| 04:09.06 | Reptile | This might be a retarded question, but does the Zaurus multitask? |
| 04:09.10 | Reptile | I'm used to PalmOS devices. |
| 04:09.32 | Aimio | it's proper linux yes |
| 04:10.14 | Reptile | I hope there is an AIM client for it. |
| 04:10.26 | Reptile | It'll be nice to waste my life chatting outside in the sun. |
| 04:10.35 | kergoth | Reptile: kinkattalite is available |
| 04:10.53 | Aimio | check here: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ too |
| 04:11.36 | Reptile | Sweet |
| 04:12.01 | Aimio | remember though - new Zaurus's coming out this year |
| 04:13.46 | Reptile | How far out are those? |
| 04:13.56 | warmi | this year ? I thought it was coming out literally within weeks |
| 04:14.11 | deevee | they should have been out by now |
| 04:14.13 | Aimio | they only in Japan atm, avail in US for $700 |
| 04:14.33 | kergoth | avail from shop.conics.net unconverted to english for $550 |
| 04:14.41 | Reptile | Giant improvements over the 5500? |
| 04:14.42 | Aimio | we talking about the Clamshell one or the 6000? |
| 04:14.43 | deevee | im still eagerly waiting for an updated rom... |
| 04:14.57 | Aimio | 400mhz instead of 133 yes? |
| 04:15.07 | deevee | 206* |
| 04:15.09 | Reptile | ah ha |
| 04:16.43 | warmi | 5600 is basically like 5500 except with different memory layout , 400 MHZ XScale Cpu and some other additions like speaker etc .. |
| 04:16.57 | warmi | C700 is a completely new design - a different ball game :-) |
| 04:17.19 | Reptile | warmi: Where can I find picks of the C700? |
| 04:17.27 | warmi | 5600 is supposed to be out within weeks |
| 04:18.01 | warmi | Reptile : there is no official US/European version as of yet - but there is a company that sells modified C700 for English locale |
| 04:18.07 | warmi | dynamism.com I believe |
| 04:18.22 | warmi | http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml |
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| 04:18.36 | Reptile | warmi: Wow, the C700 is sexy. |
| 04:18.51 | warmi | no shit - I told you - completely new design |
| 04:19.26 | warmi | the Japanese version costs around $500 but the English one ( done by Dynamism) is expensive like hell - $700 or so |
| 04:19.36 | warmi | that's why I am still holding off .. |
| 04:20.03 | _Psycho | i bought the conics.net at 569$ |
| 04:20.04 | Aimio | hmm, is there a gameboy emu with sound available? |
| 04:20.13 | _Psycho | the guys is great, i got an awesome service |
| 04:20.42 | Aimio | Know of any QT sound apps that may be portable too? |
| 04:21.05 | kergoth | _Psycho: just confirmed the touchscreen on the c700 works in qt/e+opie now, hacking on keyboard |
| 04:21.15 | chouimat | _Psycho: 569 USD? |
| 04:21.46 | _Psycho | yes +18 de shipping |
| 04:21.46 | _Psycho | oh cool ker |
| 04:21.46 | _Psycho | chouimat ma couter 912$ CDN |
| 04:21.48 | warmi | Aimio: the sound in gnuboy is messed up because Zaurus sound driver is messed up |
| 04:21.55 | _Psycho | tout inclus |
| 04:22.03 | chouimat | _Psycho: trop cher |
| 04:22.13 | warmi | basically the sound should work out of the box since this is a Linux app ( and uses linux sound drivers) - but it doesn't ;-( |
| 04:22.14 | _Psycho | tellement HOT, impressionant, lecran $$ c fou |
| 04:22.25 | _Psycho | chouimat decent a mtl jte montre ca, tu vas en acheter un |
| 04:22.29 | kergoth | warmi: does in OZ |
| 04:22.37 | Aimio | :( big shame know how I can find the details? (google is only good if you know what tp search for...) |
| 04:22.38 | kergoth | warmi: since we have a fixed driver |
| 04:22.47 | _Psycho | kergoth does the opie UI can be loaded up ? |
| 04:22.49 | kergoth | warmi: even in 2.4.6 |
| 04:22.53 | _Psycho | yet on the c700 ? |
| 04:22.56 | kergoth | _Psycho: yeah, but keyboard doesnt work yet |
| 04:23.00 | kergoth | _Psycho: working on that now |
| 04:23.13 | _Psycho | yeah ok |
| 04:23.30 | _Psycho | sound great |
| 04:23.40 | warmi | kergoth: uh that's great then |
| 04:24.00 | kergoth | warmi: we get tired of cleaning up after lineo, but it needs to be done |
| 04:24.02 | kergoth | eheh |
| 04:24.03 | _Psycho | kergoth, when you compile the kernel, do you take the orignal kernel, and just apply patch ? |
| 04:24.15 | _Psycho | or just the orinal kernel, cross compiled ? |
| 04:24.22 | Aimio | know where I might find details on the sound driver? |
| 04:24.24 | kergoth | _Psycho: yep, though I'll be taking the c700 support and merging it into my 5500 2.4.19 tree eventually |
| 04:24.42 | _Psycho | ok i see |
| 04:25.17 | _Psycho | i have a lots of stuff to install /setup it look like |
| 04:25.54 | kergoth | _Psycho: isnt the openzaurus logo at the top of the console spiffy? :) |
| 04:25.59 | _Psycho | yes a lots |
| 04:26.15 | _Psycho | it suck thought that i have 2 stuck pixel on ym screen |
| 04:26.17 | _Psycho | you have any ? |
| 04:26.21 | _Psycho | they blue here |
| 04:26.31 | kergoth | ah, i dont think i have any in mind, thankfully |
| 04:26.38 | kergoth | i have a couple on my 5500 though |
| 04:26.52 | warmi | Aimio: which one OZ or Sharp ? |
| 04:27.03 | _Psycho | 1 in up left close to middle anonying a bit, other is at left close to the border, hard to notice |
| 04:27.05 | Aimio | both hopefully |
| 04:27.40 | kergoth | Aimio: OZ is just a standard OSS driver |
| 04:27.46 | warmi | OZ one is simply standard OSS driver |
| 04:27.51 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:27.59 | kergoth | sharp headphone driver is only a partial OSS implementation |
| 04:28.07 | warmi | and Sharp is a standard half-working / broken OSS driver |
| 04:28.07 | Aimio | I'd really like to be able t omake music on the move. Possibly try to port some existing QT apps like Thud or hyrdogen |
| 04:28.10 | kergoth | and the sharp buzzer driver is completely proprietary, you can read about the API in the .h file |
| 04:28.15 | warmi | of course kergoth was faster both times :-) |
| 04:28.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:28.40 | Aimio | atm there's no pre-empt or alsa in ARM so will be latency? |
| 04:29.07 | kergoth | Aimio: theres alsa and preempt, just not in the kernels we're using |
| 04:29.24 | Aimio | ok |
| 04:30.05 | warmi | Aimio: how about porting some sort of Mod tracker :-) |
| 04:30.22 | Aimio | I'm not aware of a QT one |
| 04:30.53 | Aimio | interface is hard too :/ |
| 04:31.52 | warmi | yeah |
| 04:31.58 | warmi | but it would nice to have one |
| 04:32.58 | Reptile | I wonder why I can't find any mention of the new Zaurii on Sharp's USA site. Handspring always hypes up all their new stuff months before it comes out. |
| 04:34.45 | warmi | http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1016,00.html |
| 04:35.55 | Aimio | "1 SD/MMC card slot (no copyright protection feature)" ? |
| 04:36.06 | kergoth | Aimio: what about it? |
| 04:36.12 | Aimio | no copyright protection feature? |
| 04:36.21 | Aimio | what's that all about? |
| 04:36.34 | kergoth | it means exactly what it says |
| 04:36.42 | kergoth | it doesnt support the copy protection features of SD |
| 04:36.44 | kergoth | google it |
| 04:36.44 | warmi | basically SD on zaurus works but it doesn't use protection feature |
| 04:36.53 | Aimio | oic :) |
| 04:37.13 | Aimio | making the mmc shnanagans all the more annoying |
| 04:37.17 | kergoth | huh? |
| 04:37.32 | Aimio | documentation fiasco |
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| 04:37.37 | kergoth | .. |
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| 04:38.42 | _Psycho | later =p |
| 04:43.40 | warmi | Aimio : which zaurus do you own ? |
| 04:43.42 | warmi | 5500 ? |
| 04:45.27 | NeoTron | evening |
| 04:45.34 | warmi | re |
| 04:46.58 | Aimio | 5500, wish I had the c700 though |
| 04:47.53 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:47.54 | warmi | me too |
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| 04:54.16 | Aimio | hmm is it possible to use Mic and Headphone @ same time? |
| 04:55.25 | warmi | uh .. I am not sure |
| 04:56.18 | Aimio | VoIP isn't going to be easy without it |
| 04:57.14 | warmi | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcphone/ |
| 04:57.37 | warmi | check this out one - I never used it but since they are selling it - it must be working :-) |
| 04:58.36 | Aimio | i think there may be free version |
| 04:59.37 | warmi | don't know about that |
| 04:59.57 | kergoth | the linphone author is working on a port, last i heard |
| 05:00.08 | Aimio | hmm, actually perhaps not. thought gnome meeting had been converted, must b mistaken |
| 05:00.15 | Aimio | ah |
| 05:01.14 | treke|home | gnome meeting would probably be tough to convert :) |
| 05:02.09 | kergoth | anything gnome wont be ported to qt/e anytime soon |
| 05:02.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:02.54 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:03.08 | warmi | I did port a calculator app once from gtk to the Zaurus .. |
| 05:03.11 | treke|home | it tends to suck |
| 05:03.16 | warmi | and I don't wanna do any shit like that again .. |
| 05:06.04 | warmi | treke: well the best example of that was korganizer .. |
| 05:06.30 | kergoth | god korg/e's interface sucked |
| 05:06.33 | kergoth | bleh |
| 05:07.13 | treke|home | yeah I cant think of much worse than korganizer |
| 05:07.20 | treke|home | konqueror is a close second |
| 05:07.37 | treke|home | its interface isnt too bad but it's functionality was trashed during the port |
| 05:07.39 | chouimat | bah java lamp? |
| 05:08.17 | warmi | basically, if you are writing app for the Zaurus you should look up more to Palm apps for inspiration as opposed to PPC ( or God forbid to Windows/KDE/whatever ) |
| 05:09.40 | mewyn | oooh. new rh beta |
| 05:09.45 | warmi | already ? |
| 05:09.52 | chouimat | warmi: as they said in the palm programming book... on a pda you only need a faction of the fonctionnality of the desktop version |
| 05:10.24 | mewyn | warmi: it's been a while since the last beta update |
| 05:10.43 | warmi | chouimat : beside , Palm apps seems to be very functional yet simple in the sense that the interface is not overwhelming etc . |
| 05:11.12 | chouimat | warmi: exactly |
| 05:11.16 | warmi | mewyn : didn't they just recently came up with that bastarized KDE version of RH ( or rather it was famous for that ) |
| 05:11.27 | warmi | I personally liked that "blue curve" thing .. |
| 05:11.28 | Aimio | damn, can't remember what the other lib was opie-rotation needs |
| 05:11.37 | warmi | if only the rest of the system followed :-) |
| 05:11.37 | mewyn | that's 8.0 |
| 05:11.44 | mewyn | that came out a long time ago |
| 05:11.47 | kergoth | Aimio: qt-embedded-rotation, or libqt2-emb-fonts, depending on version |
| 05:11.56 | chouimat | treke|home: take an old underpowered laptop and port opie on it |
| 05:12.06 | Aimio | thx |
| 05:12.13 | warmi | mewyn : I guess it all depends on what do you mean by "long" :-) |
| 05:13.02 | mewyn | any time using 8.0 is long :) |
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| 05:14.42 | warmi | heh |
| 05:15.10 | mewyn | i hope this new beta works better than the last |
| 05:15.19 | mewyn | they broke so much shit in the last one it wasn't funny |
| 05:15.40 | mewyn | but the beta before that was almost perfect |
| 05:16.35 | warmi | I am not going to even touch this thing .. |
| 05:16.57 | warmi | I just installed 8.0 which I then had to roll back to 7.3 because shit didn't work properly on my laptop |
| 05:17.02 | warmi | enough is enough |
| 05:17.05 | kergoth | redhat is buggy enough when it releases, much less when its beta |
| 05:17.08 | kergoth | no thanks |
| 05:17.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:17.14 | warmi | I will wait for 10.0 :-) |
| 05:17.20 | kergoth | no! not .0 |
| 05:17.24 | kergoth | wait for 10.2 at least |
| 05:17.28 | warmi | yeah, right .. 10.4 |
| 05:17.30 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:17.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:17.57 | treke|home | .1 is ok |
| 05:18.00 | chouimat | kergoth: OZ-tp760 :) |
| 05:18.01 | treke|home | .2 is pretty good |
| 05:18.04 | treke|home | .3 is unholy |
| 05:19.18 | warmi | well, I like running RH mostly because I know it pretty well . |
| 05:19.29 | warmi | no need to learn where all my shit is etc .. |
| 05:20.19 | mewyn | i find it funny that my wifi is faster than my sd storage |
| 05:20.36 | kergoth | thats not funny, thats pathetic |
| 05:20.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:20.42 | warmi | lol |
| 05:20.47 | mewyn | that too |
| 05:22.49 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:22.58 | kergoth | night chouimat|Zzzz |
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| 05:26.48 | kergoth | stty -a devttys1 |
| 05:27.01 | kergoth | er s/dev/<dev/ |
| 05:27.02 | Aimio | no one here done VoIP yet then? |
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| 05:28.24 | warmi | good night |
| 05:28.33 | mewyn | i shoudl be doing the same |
| 05:28.35 | Aimio | night |
| 05:28.36 | mewyn | night |
| 05:30.20 | Aimio | Loads of things I'm trying to install are giving me 'unexpected end of file' is this ipkg's fault posibly? |
| 05:32.08 | treke|home | more likely you didnt download the file completly |
| 05:32.42 | Aimio | i thought that, time to checksum methinks |
| 05:33.09 | deevee | whats the lateat beta for qtopia desktop for windows? |
| 05:33.12 | deevee | latest* |
| 05:34.40 | Aimio | beta5 |
| 05:34.57 | deevee | is it somewhat stable? |
| 05:35.08 | Aimio | don't know |
| 05:35.13 | Aimio | i'm using v4 |
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| 07:36.57 | NeoTron | well, Flip it! is coming to an end. :P |
| 07:49.15 | NeoTron | ibot howto |
| 07:49.16 | | howto is, like, at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
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| 09:15.17 | djg | debian users here? |
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| 09:16.54 | yeiazel | djg: yes |
| 09:21.24 | djg | is there a better way to install qtopiadesktop on debian stable than just compiling the whole stuff? |
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| 10:46.57 | djg | is there a better way to install qtopiadesktop on debian stable than just compiling the whole stuff? |
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| 13:28.30 | Twiun | lol |
| 13:28.37 | Twiun | what're you struggling with? |
| 13:28.50 | nofpu | hi Twiun |
| 13:28.58 | Wintre | Floating point math, maybe? After all he has no FPU |
| 13:29.11 | nofpu | :) no - building something against libopie |
| 13:29.38 | nofpu | just a little console app - compiles fine for x86 but not xcompile |
| 13:30.14 | nofpu | undefined reference to `Sound::isFinished(void) const' |
| 13:30.19 | nofpu | on linking |
| 13:30.26 | Twiun | are you using the oz buildroot or something else? |
| 13:30.38 | nofpu | opie snapshop |
| 13:31.00 | nofpu | it dawns on me it may not be the same one as the rc2 snapshop |
| 13:31.09 | nofpu | s/shop/shot/ |
| 13:31.28 | Twiun | yeah |
| 13:32.04 | nofpu | ...and that I should use the oz buildroot like a sensible person |
| 13:33.24 | nofpu | ok - I'll give that a go, thanks...food necessary first I think |
| 13:34.49 | nofpu | Sound::isFinished is one of those 'weak symbols' that I dont understand whatsoever, hence the struggling |
| 13:36.56 | Twiun | ah yeah |
| 13:37.09 | Twiun | I probably know a lot less about this stuff than you do by now |
| 13:37.21 | nofpu | doubtful ;) |
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| 14:13.42 | nofpu | my 'powered by windows xp' sticker on my laptop (which never was powered by winXP) has become a horrible guey mess that wont go away |
| 14:13.49 | nofpu | gooey |
| 14:14.46 | nofpu | and wishes he hadnt |
| 14:16.51 | mewyn | use some isopropyl alcohol |
| 14:18.17 | nofpu | something like that yeah. it's on one of the wrist rests of my dell i8100, and they're removable so I'll probably take it off and give it a clean |
| 14:20.12 | mewyn | drugstore |
| 14:20.16 | nofpu | cool |
| 14:20.41 | mewyn | the stuff that's used for cleaning wounds works well |
| 14:21.45 | nofpu | sounds like good stuff to have around the house, maybe I'll get some - thanks |
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| 14:47.58 | icefox | hi |
| 14:48.11 | wijnand | hello |
| 14:49.26 | Twiun | hey ice |
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| 14:57.53 | Wintre | Hi ben |
| 14:58.36 | Wintre | Any clue why the chat windows in his kinkattas built against KDE 3.x put so much vertical whitespace around lines |
| 14:58.39 | Wintre | ? |
| 14:58.43 | Wintre | s/his/my/ |
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| 15:02.34 | icefox | lines? |
| 15:02.42 | Wintre | Yeah, lines of dialog |
| 15:03.04 | icefox | sorry do not |
| 15:15.49 | Wintre | Bastard! |
| 15:23.40 | mr_woody | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3940019700.html |
| 15:24.42 | nofpu | that's cool |
| 15:24.47 | nofpu | I have their bt card |
| 15:25.51 | mr_woody | how about the sprint offer? did anyone try it with the zaurus? |
| 15:27.47 | mr_woody | or is there any good way to connect to the internet with the z? |
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| 15:33.41 | rastakid | Hello |
| 15:33.57 | nofpu | ir or bt connection to mobile? |
| 15:35.06 | mr_woody | nofpu: i remember that few months ago people were talking about an offer of sprint |
| 15:35.21 | mr_woody | nofpu: i think it was using ir connection to mobile |
| 15:35.32 | mr_woody | nofpu: but not sure |
| 15:36.10 | nofpu | mr_woody: not sure either - I think Sharp were trying to get a CF sprint thing working but I dont know |
| 15:36.42 | mr_woody | icefox: do you know anything about that? |
| 15:36.57 | icefox | nope |
| 15:37.11 | nofpu | then I probably imagined it |
| 15:37.49 | mr_woody | how about the thing in sharpmobile.com? was it successful? |
| 15:40.03 | djg | someone running debian here? if so - which desktop tool do you use? |
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| 15:47.32 | icefox | http://www.dig-concepts.com/index.php?tab=1&pr=6 |
| 15:47.34 | icefox | hehe |
| 15:48.18 | nofpu | that's fun |
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| 16:05.00 | mark | how do I delete a directory from cvs? |
| 16:05.15 | mark | i've deleted the contents but the actual thing wont go |
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| 16:05.42 | nofpu | -P? |
| 16:06.02 | bobbyd | hi |
| 16:06.09 | bobbyd | anyone know the release date of the 5600? |
| 16:06.24 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:06.40 | bobbyd | and if should buy a sl-c700 from dynamism, or wait for openzaurus to support it? |
| 16:06.52 | kergoth | oz support is coming along nicely |
| 16:06.56 | kergoth | the touchscreen works in opie now |
| 16:07.00 | kergoth | working on keyboard today |
| 16:07.04 | kergoth | up to you |
| 16:07.12 | mark | kergoth: hiya. |
| 16:07.29 | kergoth | hye marr |
| 16:07.31 | kergoth | er |
| 16:07.32 | kergoth | hey mark |
| 16:08.20 | mark | nofpu: ah, thats it, cheers |
| 16:08.28 | nofpu | np mark |
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| 16:08.56 | mark | nofpu: oh hold on |
| 16:09.06 | chouimat | mormimg |
| 16:09.17 | mark | nofpu: whats the command? |
| 16:09.18 | mark | hi chouimat |
| 16:09.39 | bobbyd | anyone know where to get a c700 direct from japan (ie not dynamism) and if it's possible touse the larger 5600 battery with it? |
| 16:09.59 | nofpu | just cvs update I think |
| 16:10.01 | kergoth | bobbyd: shop.conics.net |
| 16:10.11 | bobbyd | kergoth; thanks ;) |
| 16:12.29 | nofpu | I put update -dP in .cvsrc |
| 16:14.25 | chouimat | hi mark |
| 16:16.11 | bobbyd | does the c700 have a speaker, or just the headphone socket like the 5500 |
| 16:16.12 | bobbyd | ? |
| 16:16.41 | kergoth | it has a speaker instead of a buzzer, and the headphone jack |
| 16:17.12 | treke | someone should commit ritual suicide for that buzzer |
| 16:17.27 | bobbyd | coool |
| 16:17.46 | bobbyd | i just thought, my wife has a japanese friend, maybe i can get it cheaper from her ;) |
| 16:17.58 | bobbyd | i wonder what the street price is in japan... |
| 16:18.33 | mark | chouimat: i'm trying to commit a removal of a dir |
| 16:19.06 | mark | oh sorry, nofpu: i'm trying to commit a removal of a dir |
| 16:19.18 | nofpu | ah, k |
| 16:19.22 | nofpu | cant help you then :) |
| 16:20.36 | kergoth | mark: there's no such thing. |
| 16:20.50 | kergoth | mark: you cannot remove a dir in cvs. you can empty it, and hope the users use -P so they dont see them. |
| 16:21.38 | nofpu | or rm $CVSROOT/foo :) |
| 16:22.08 | bobbyd | kergoth: realistically, when do you think OZ will run in english on the c700? |
| 16:22.23 | bobbyd | or OE as it is now ;) |
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| 16:25.54 | mr_science | yo |
| 16:27.50 | Pend-Gone | ya know I've read 4 websites about the c700, including dynamism, and not one mention the cpu speed.. do they think people don't care? |
| 16:27.57 | Pend-Gone | look it's a penguin, I'll buy it! |
| 16:28.30 | treke | Pend-Gone: because it's irelevant |
| 16:28.33 | treke | and 400mhz |
| 16:29.02 | Pend-Gone | I know but it bugs the hell out of me they assume people who would buy imported goods for leetness don't care about the mhz speed |
| 16:29.10 | NeoTron | mornin |
| 16:29.20 | Pend-Gone | if we didn't, why have the 5600 realistically? |
| 16:29.21 | treke | Pend-Gone: Well since it doesnt really relate to performance why should youc are |
| 16:29.38 | Pend-Gone | that depends on the programmer me thinks ;-) |
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| 16:30.19 | Pend-Gone | still don't like the c700, outside the biggger keyboard anyways |
| 16:31.04 | kergoth | have you actually seen one up close? |
| 16:31.26 | bobbyd | treke: i've read the architecture docs on the xscale chip, after workingon ARM chips for a while, it seems like it would be a lot faster if code was writtern properly... |
| 16:31.34 | Pend-Gone | www.tuff-as-nuts.com/sharp-zaurus.html haha love the site name |
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| 16:31.45 | Pend-Gone | I've seen many hi res pictures but beyond that no |
| 16:31.51 | kergoth | bobbyd: code working properly doesnt really fix bugs in the chip. |
| 16:31.59 | Pend-Gone | it has a smaller batter and less ram doesn't it than a 5600? |
| 16:32.02 | kergoth | bobbyd: but you're right, actually optimizing for xscale can help |
| 16:32.04 | kergoth | Pend-Gone: wrong |
| 16:32.12 | kergoth | Pend-Gone: identical ram, flash, cpu as 5600 |
| 16:32.29 | kergoth | smaller battery, but higher res screen and cool formfactor |
| 16:32.33 | bobbyd | kergoth: what are the bugs? and is there a doc about them? |
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| 16:33.06 | Pend-Gone | wonder what the 5600 will cost the day it lands |
| 16:33.08 | warmi_ | hi |
| 16:33.10 | bobbyd | i primarily want a c700 to port my soft synth/sequencer to |
| 16:33.17 | Pend-Gone | because I would like a bigger battery... |
| 16:33.26 | bobbyd | i'll be writing in c++ and asm, will i not see any performance increase? |
| 16:33.35 | kergoth | bobbyd: intel's site outlines all the numerous bugs in teh cpus |
| 16:33.38 | kergoth | bobbyd: read the errata |
| 16:33.54 | bobbyd | ok |
| 16:34.37 | warmi_ | hi |
| 16:34.38 | Pend-Gone | also I have bad luck with swivel things, the cords wear out over a period of say a year of high use |
| 16:34.42 | kergoth | hey warmi |
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| 16:34.56 | chouimat | hmmmm bobbyd == bobby daemon? |
| 16:35.09 | Pend-Gone | esp the power cable.. when it goes it generally sparks a bit and fries some chips more so than dies |
| 16:35.23 | bobbyd | chouimat: bobby digital |
| 16:36.01 | chouimat | bobbyd: i see |
| 16:36.37 | bobbyd | i just cant belive the 400Mhz xscale chip is no faster than the strongarm... |
| 16:38.23 | warmi_ | bobbyd: yeah ... it can be even slower |
| 16:38.24 | Pend-Gone | forgive this, but I've been at work.. is the 5600 out? |
| 16:38.30 | kergoth | bobbyd: pxa255 will be |
| 16:38.31 | Pend-Gone | you can seem to order it from sharp now |
| 16:38.43 | Pend-Gone | http://att.cnet.com/hardware/resellers/0-2709830-311-20679597.html |
| 16:39.01 | bobbyd | kergoth: i have the manual, but i dont see any errata notes... |
| 16:39.09 | kergoth | bobbyd: its seperate documentation. |
| 16:39.14 | kergoth | bobbyd: NOT in the manual |
| 16:39.21 | kergoth | seperate errata |
| 16:39.22 | treke | Pend-Gone: if you look at the page it lists it as not in stock |
| 16:39.22 | kergoth | read them |
| 16:39.26 | bobbyd | ok, i dont see it on the intel site |
| 16:39.31 | chouimat | kergoth: bad lusers calls this morning? |
| 16:39.35 | kergoth | chouimat: as always |
| 16:39.43 | kergoth | bobbyd: well, its all there. |
| 16:40.46 | kergoth | bobbyd: http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2002-November/012353.html |
| 16:40.57 | kergoth | bobbyd: google is your friend, there are lots of pages that discuss this |
| 16:41.27 | bobbyd | ok, what's the exact chip model? |
| 16:41.37 | kergoth | pxa250 |
| 16:41.41 | bobbyd | ok thanks |
| 16:41.55 | kergoth | pxa255 is what they're calling the C stepping of hte pxa250, because the pxa250 name is trashed now |
| 16:42.11 | bobbyd | ahh ok |
| 16:42.41 | kergoth | unfortunately 5600 and c700 are both using B stepping of the pxa250 |
| 16:42.43 | treke | kergoth: good idea :) |
| 16:42.51 | kergoth | inded |
| 16:42.55 | kergoth | indeed |
| 16:43.36 | treke | "buy our new chip, it actually works this time!" |
| 16:43.53 | Pend-Gone | PC Connection says "it's due in stock in 3 weeks" |
| 16:43.56 | treke | "we promise" |
| 16:44.16 | treke | Pend-Gone: retailers are notourious for making up release dates to stimulate sales |
| 16:44.18 | warmi_ | treke: the new version with the wider bus is supposedly much, much better |
| 16:44.21 | Pend-Gone | true |
| 16:44.25 | Pend-Gone | but here's to hoping |
| 16:44.42 | Pend-Gone | if it takes much longer I will pay extra for the c700 simply because I'm impatient |
| 16:44.51 | Pend-Gone | not for the device ;-) |
| 16:45.10 | treke | Pend-Gone: remember the batteries are significantly different |
| 16:45.18 | Pend-Gone | sadly yes |
| 16:45.20 | warmi_ | Pend-Gone: frankly, considering that this 400 Mhz XScale "upgrade" won't buy you anything - I don't even know if there is any reason to upgrade to 5600 .. |
| 16:45.28 | kergoth | warmi_: 64mb flash |
| 16:45.31 | kergoth | warmi_: and battery |
| 16:45.33 | treke | warmi_: the speaker and big ass battery |
| 16:45.41 | treke | that could be worth it |
| 16:45.55 | Pend-Gone | battery mainly and other small things... I don't care about the mhz all that much due to it being linux |
| 16:46.07 | Pend-Gone | if it was PPC sure... hell it needs every last hz |
| 16:47.08 | warmi_ | yeah, battery makes sense (a mono spearker is nothing to get excited about :-) ) |
| 16:47.12 | bobbyd | so lemme get this straight, the cache load latancy is fucking it up completely |
| 16:47.23 | warmi_ | on the other hand you are going to pay almost twice as much as you would for 5500 |
| 16:47.33 | bobbyd | i cant decide |
| 16:47.39 | bobbyd | i might just get a 5500 |
| 16:48.04 | kergoth | bobbyd: you can disable the ccache errata workaround.. but you'd be takinga risk :) |
| 16:48.25 | bobbyd | kergoth: ffs, it's such a shame... |
| 16:48.31 | warmi_ | bobbyd: well ... I wrote some ASM code and tested it on both 5500 and a 300 ( which is 200 MHZ XScale) and asm code optimized for memory access was slower on a300 only by about 10-20% |
| 16:48.31 | Pend-Gone | well let me put it this way... as behind as this is getting (as it is offically the later part of first quarter not 'early') when the hell you think a new device will come about (outside of 5600)? |
| 16:49.03 | treke | Pend-Gone: you mean when will a "5700" be out? |
| 16:49.07 | warmi_ | but on the other hand people say that 400 MHZ is slower than 200 MHZ - which is really fucked up |
| 16:49.20 | Pend-Gone | I'm saying no point in waiting for a 5700 or something akin, will be long off |
| 16:49.30 | Pend-Gone | get the best you can, be happy with it until it's outdated |
| 16:49.30 | treke | if ever released |
| 16:49.44 | mark | kergoth: that sucks. |
| 16:49.59 | treke | Pend-Gone: the debate is whether the 5600 is better than the 5500 |
| 16:49.59 | warmi_ | Pend-Gone: they aren't even sure if there will be anything after 5600 .. |
| 16:50.15 | Pend-Gone | normally I'd hold out for a soon-to-be-released pda rather than something shipping tomorrow.. but this is too much of a time gap |
| 16:50.15 | warmi_ | that depends how well 5600 does .. |
| 16:50.35 | Pend-Gone | warmi_: it'll flunk cause you nuts are buying the damned import |
| 16:50.40 | Pend-Gone | yer dooming us all =-( |
| 16:50.48 | kergoth | ~lart Pend-Gone |
| 16:51.02 | Pend-Gone | (that or sharp will wake up and not do seperate devices per area) |
| 16:51.19 | warmi_ | Pend-Gone: it will flunk because Sharp managed to sell only 30 000 of 5500 which is not nearly enough to sustain production |
| 16:51.41 | Pend-Gone | =-P I did my part (waves devices) |
| 16:52.04 | Pend-Gone | but seriously if half the hard core users buy the import, it will flunk worse than the 5500 |
| 16:52.24 | treke | Pend-Gone: so? |
| 16:52.25 | ljp_work | I still havent bought a zaurus |
| 16:52.30 | warmi_ | yeah, but the problem is that , personally, I don't see much value in this new zaurus ( vs 5500) |
| 16:52.40 | warmi_ | I can get 5500 for about $270 these days .. |
| 16:52.56 | treke | Pend-Gone: That just means sharp is selling a product that people dont want |
| 16:53.23 | warmi_ | precisely - everyone and his brother wants c 700 :-) |
| 16:53.39 | bobbyd | i want one |
| 16:53.42 | Pend-Gone | so... just saying I'll be ill if the zaurus line dies because you guys have to go singing "I'm turning Japanese" |
| 16:53.42 | bobbyd | ;) |
| 16:53.46 | warmi_ | which in Japan sells for about $550 or so .. |
| 16:53.54 | kergoth | yep, c700 has a lot of that 'wow thats really cool' factor |
| 16:54.00 | treke | Pend-Gone: Once again thats sharps mistake |
| 16:54.03 | bobbyd | i'll buy whatever i want ;P |
| 16:54.06 | kergoth | Pend-Gone: japanese is irrelevent. sharp shouldve sold us what we want |
| 16:54.12 | bobbyd | yup |
| 16:54.17 | Pend-Gone | treke : which can me mistaken for 'people don't want the zaurus period' buy some business managers |
| 16:54.21 | bobbyd | 640x480 |
| 16:54.23 | Pend-Gone | s/buy/by |
| 16:54.24 | kergoth | we call that 'market research' |
| 16:54.30 | Pend-Gone | heh |
| 16:54.42 | Pend-Gone | some call it lucky dice |
| 16:54.44 | treke | Pend-Gone: oh well |
| 16:54.48 | kergoth | sharp marketing obviously hasnt determined what the US market desires |
| 16:54.51 | kergoth | and thats their own fucking fault |
| 16:55.03 | kergoth | for not doing the necessary research |
| 16:55.03 | bobbyd | i'm not US |
| 16:55.17 | bobbyd | not that that's got anything to do with anything |
| 16:55.18 | bobbyd | ;) |
| 16:55.23 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:55.26 | kergoth | the point stands |
| 16:55.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:55.45 | Pend-Gone | my point is simply if the zaurus line dies, and when we grow tired of our 2xx Mhz pdas .. what will we turn to, besides a PPC to flash linux on, or a real laptop as the only choices? |
| 16:56.04 | treke | Pend-Gone: so we should buy the $500 pda that isnt what we want? |
| 16:56.05 | ljp_work | no, there will be other qtopia devices |
| 16:56.06 | warmi_ | Pend-Gone: there are some talks abotu TI releasing a new Linux/Qtopia based PDA |
| 16:56.33 | kergoth | hm |
| 16:56.33 | ljp_work | TI, _is_ getting into the qtopia market |
| 16:56.38 | chouimat | Pend-Gone: or the ibm one |
| 16:56.46 | Pend-Gone | those are probably far off |
| 16:56.52 | kergoth | Pend-Gone: and? |
| 16:57.16 | Pend-Gone | TI is slow to release anything, I mean I've had a 'leet' TI-89 and 92 for years.. still nothing better has come out from them |
| 16:57.32 | kergoth | If the zaurus line dies, its because Sharp fucked up, badly. |
| 16:57.36 | treke | maybe the 89 and 92 are serving peoples needs well |
| 16:57.45 | kergoth | its obvious that they've fucked up, we're just waiting to see if its bad enough to kill the line |
| 16:57.47 | treke | they did serve mine when I needed it. |
| 16:58.06 | Pend-Gone | sometimes you need to trick consumers to bump up there wants to needs... else who'd have dvd burners? |
| 16:58.22 | Pend-Gone | I could still tar then divide into 1.44mb for a ISO if I wanted |
| 16:58.24 | kergoth | Pend-Gone: once again, thats marketing, which sharp is obviously failing at. |
| 16:58.29 | ljp_work | sharps mistakes are: letting Lineo do the kernel, and not having a better tested qtopia |
| 16:58.30 | treke | Pend-Gone: why do that when its unneeded? |
| 16:58.49 | treke | Pend-Gone: TI doesnt need to sell people new calculators they can just sell them to new people |
| 16:59.13 | Pend-Gone | they could save some money if they'd just drop the OS part and let OZ take that over ;-) |
| 16:59.22 | treke | as for sharp, the reason I never bought a 5000 or 5500 is because it was lacking things I wanted in a pda |
| 16:59.38 | Pend-Gone | treke but zelda is slow on my TI89 =-( |
| 16:59.53 | treke | thats because its a calculator and not a gameboy |
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| 16:59.59 | Pend-Gone | shhh haha |
| 17:00.43 | warmi | chouimat: I somehow doubt that IBM research will result in any sort of consumer oriented device .. |
| 17:00.43 | bobbyd | apparently there's a company who sell hardware that will play gameboy games directly, without the need to even emulate it at all! sound and everything |
| 17:00.59 | bobbyd | some small japanese company.... |
| 17:01.03 | warmi | yeah, it is called Nintendo :-) |
| 17:01.04 | treke | bobbyd: I heard of them |
| 17:01.07 | kergoth | warmi: i think it will, just it wont be IBM selling it |
| 17:01.09 | treke | aent they called Nintendo? |
| 17:01.10 | Pend-Gone | why not just buy a GBA flash chip and upload roms off the PC? |
| 17:01.30 | chouimat | warmi: if I can manage to get some bucks I will probably get that IBM pda |
| 17:01.35 | Pend-Gone | those chips hold many games.. |
| 17:02.04 | warmi | kergoth: IBM doesn't have a good track record as far as consumer devices .... maybe someone else will pick it up but I think that Palm and MS have cornered the market already |
| 17:02.19 | warmi | most of the consumer electronic companies are either in Palm or (more likely) PPC camp already |
| 17:02.55 | kergoth | true. perhaps ibm will sell theirs into enterprise environments rather than the consumer arena |
| 17:03.08 | chouimat | kergoth: probably |
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| 17:11.31 | warmi | chouimat: IBM device was just a prototype - I don't think they will be selling it |
| 17:12.23 | chouimat | warmi: reference platform |
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| 17:17.31 | ljp_work | IBM is into it big, like $10 million+ to TT |
| 17:17.53 | warmi | 10 mils to IBM is nothing :-) |
| 17:18.34 | warmi | but hey, if they manage to create another PDA standard to compete against PPC/Palm , great |
| 17:20.03 | ljp_work | 10 mills to TT is not nothing |
| 17:20.52 | warmi | yeah, true that |
| 17:21.11 | warmi | I am sure TT had a small celebration party after they closed that deal |
| 17:21.37 | treke | new ferraris all around |
| 17:22.00 | warmi | hehehe |
| 17:22.03 | mark | heh |
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| 17:23.08 | warmi | TT is not a public company are they ? |
| 17:23.17 | ljp_work | no |
| 17:23.43 | lpb-oberon | How do I upload applications from Qtopia? Qtopia reports 0 space available. |
| 17:24.04 | Wintre | ljp: That AP article was fraught with errors |
| 17:24.09 | Wintre | The author didn't know what a PDA wasa |
| 17:24.17 | lpb-oberon | i linked /root/documents to /mnt/cf/documents |
| 17:24.33 | lpb-oberon | please help |
| 17:25.09 | warmi | lbp-oberon: I am not sure what do you mean by "uploading apps _from_ Qtopia" .. |
| 17:25.26 | Wintre | There was one quote in particular which I recall mentioning the $10 million figure, and it was very unclear - that's IBM's projection of the value of the market over some years |
| 17:25.36 | lpb-oberon | ok i am using oz |
| 17:25.54 | lpb-oberon | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=60 |
| 17:26.03 | warmi | oh , well, sorry - I know nothing about OZ - perhaps try #openzaurus ? |
| 17:26.04 | lpb-oberon | exactly mx problem |
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| 17:27.24 | warmi | so Wintre - so there is no 10 mill for Trolls deal or anything like that ? |
| 17:27.59 | Wintre | http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Feb/gee20030218018672.htm |
| 17:28.26 | Wintre | Have a look at the update |
| 17:29.12 | Wintre | From the Australian article: "Trolltech received an undisclosed, upfront payment for the deal, said to be worth $US10 million ($16.9 million) to $US20 million in license fees" |
| 17:29.24 | Wintre | Note, the *deal* is worth that, not the payment. |
| 17:29.34 | warmi | ok, thanks |
| 17:29.52 | warmi | well, in any case it is a positive development for Trolls |
| 17:29.54 | Wintre | Anyway, I'm no PR guy, but as I said, the reporter was totally clueless |
| 17:30.31 | Wintre | <tonje> Well, they don't even have to know the PDA runs Linux, they don't even have to know how to spell Linux - |
| 17:30.40 | Wintre | <reporter> How do you spell Linux, by the way? |
| 17:30.48 | Wintre | <reporter> What's a PDA? |
| 17:30.53 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:30.56 | Wintre | Just to give you an idea. |
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| 17:31.00 | ljp_work | hahahaaa |
| 17:31.04 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:31.06 | nerdboy | yo |
| 17:32.01 | treke | kergoth: being a PR guys is possibly worse than tech supports |
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| 17:32.33 | treke | kergoth: in tech support you just have to be reasonably polite and helpful. You dont actually have to convince anyone that you are really a nice guy |
| 17:33.26 | kergoth | treke: hmm, good point |
| 17:33.50 | treke | definitly a no win situation |
| 17:34.04 | warmi | actually you want to convince them that you are not .. |
| 17:34.07 | warmi | so they don't call you again |
| 17:34.26 | treke | hmmm so it it like tech support |
| 17:34.37 | warmi | I am talking about tech support :-) |
| 17:34.38 | warmi | not PR |
| 17:34.48 | warmi | I know nothing about PR |
| 17:34.52 | warmi | nor I want to |
| 17:35.47 | ljp_work | how do you spell PR? |
| 17:35.52 | treke | ljp_work: SHIT |
| 17:36.22 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 17:39.31 | kergoth | http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993451 |
| 17:40.11 | nofpu | ha |
| 17:40.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:40.30 | warmi | lol |
| 17:41.39 | bobbyd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.46 | bobbyd | my new sig.... |
| 17:41.49 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:42.02 | erikd | hrm |
| 17:42.06 | erikd | stupid linux is too secure |
| 17:42.14 | erikd | 'allo |
| 17:42.16 | kergoth | hey darienm, erikd |
| 17:42.33 | darienm | lurkers unite! |
| 17:43.35 | erikd | i reinstalled gentoo last night and i was going to compile stuff remotely today from work, but i forgot to add myself to the wheel group so i'm SOL =/ |
| 17:43.43 | bobbyd | what's the minimun spec openembedded needs to run? |
| 17:43.57 | darienm | erikd, login as root? fix it? |
| 17:44.12 | darienm | or, you can't login, period? |
| 17:44.19 | erikd | darien: can't, you have to be part of the wheel group to su |
| 17:44.25 | erikd | and i disabled root ssh logins |
| 17:44.27 | erikd | =) |
| 17:44.35 | kergoth | bobbyd: well, given its using gnu libc, you need a fair amount of flash |
| 17:44.45 | kergoth | bobbyd: you dont neecessarily have to use opie, you could use picogui or something lighter |
| 17:44.57 | erikd | so i'm going home this afternoon on lunch to add myself |
| 17:45.01 | kergoth | bobbyd: once we have uclibc in our buildsystem, you could build an image with it for real small systems |
| 17:45.34 | erikd | oooh |
| 17:45.37 | erikd | new picogui site! |
| 17:46.07 | kergoth | yeah, no screenshots anymore tho |
| 17:46.08 | kergoth | yet |
| 17:46.11 | kergoth | technical difficulties |
| 17:46.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:46.26 | erikd | aww |
| 17:46.26 | darienm | erikd, still playing online games? |
| 17:46.34 | erikd | that's the whole reason i go there :( |
| 17:46.41 | erikd | darien: yessir |
| 17:46.42 | erikd | mmm |
| 17:46.44 | darienm | erikd, http://emercenary.com/whoweare.php |
| 17:46.52 | kergoth | command & conquer generals rocks |
| 17:46.53 | kergoth | fyi |
| 17:46.54 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:47.31 | lpb-oberon | hrhr |
| 17:47.42 | erikd | now -that- is a good game |
| 17:47.46 | lpb-oberon | they have put it on the index in germany |
| 17:47.59 | erikd | it's pretty much replaced counterstrike for me :) |
| 17:48.08 | darienm | i'm hearing interesting things about Moo3 |
| 17:48.41 | erikd | i heard good things about the series (never played it) |
| 17:48.52 | erikd | but from what i've heard i dunno if it's my kind of game |
| 17:49.00 | erikd | btw, The Ring comes out on dvd today! |
| 17:49.31 | kergoth | man, i hate when someone quits or joins thats in half of my channels |
| 17:49.37 | kergoth | so they all light up in irssi |
| 17:49.41 | erikd | hehe |
| 17:50.05 | bobbyd | kergoth: how about 8Mb ram? |
| 17:50.06 | darienm | disable join/leave announcements |
| 17:50.06 | bobbyd | ;) |
| 17:50.08 | erikd | darien: err, when was that get-together again? |
| 17:50.13 | kergoth | bobbyd: how much flash? |
| 17:50.17 | darienm | erikd, try the website, man |
| 17:50.28 | erikd | but then i have to type all that in! |
| 17:51.24 | erikd | ah, april 5th |
| 17:51.59 | kergoth | woa you use your Z as a real pda |
| 17:52.00 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 17:52.08 | erikd | hehe |
| 17:52.10 | erikd | yeah |
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| 17:52.55 | sukoshi | hi |
| 17:53.56 | kergoth | hi sukoshi |
| 17:54.04 | sukoshi | hi kergoth |
| 17:54.10 | sukoshi | how are you? |
| 17:54.18 | kergoth | sukoshi: i will have an opie image for you to test on your b500 soon |
| 17:54.24 | kergoth | sukoshi: good, you? |
| 17:54.49 | sukoshi | kergoth: don't hesitate to send when you'll want |
| 17:54.56 | erikd | darien: i'm getting my car fixed next week sometime so i'll actually be able to drive it down there :) |
| 17:55.02 | kergoth | sukoshi: i'll email you within a few days with the info |
| 17:55.14 | darienm | erikd, but Plinko is passing right by. Get a ride, he's a nice guy. |
| 17:55.34 | erikd | but then i gotta stay/leave when he does |
| 17:55.42 | darienm | so? |
| 17:55.56 | darienm | he'll be here long/short enough for you |
| 17:55.59 | erikd | looking for excuses? |
| 17:56.00 | sukoshi | kergoth: no problem |
| 17:56.01 | erikd | :) |
| 17:58.35 | kergoth | wahhh i dont wanna hack on qt/e keyboard |
| 17:58.40 | kergoth | its such a mess |
| 17:58.47 | erikd | radeon 9700 pro |
| 17:58.48 | erikd | mmmm |
| 17:58.49 | kergoth | why, oh why, does qt/e have to be so ifdef filled? |
| 17:59.02 | kergoth | my geforce 2 gts died, i'm on an old TNT2 atm |
| 17:59.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:59.07 | erikd | ouch |
| 17:59.21 | kergoth | the fan stopped spinning |
| 17:59.23 | kergoth | cooked the chipset |
| 17:59.32 | kergoth | talk about some weird glitches in teh video when that happens.. |
| 17:59.33 | erikd | heh, that's not good |
| 17:59.40 | erikd | what'd it do? |
| 17:59.50 | kergoth | weird streaks all over the screen |
| 17:59.52 | erikd | my monitor looks like it's going to be dying soon, though =/ |
| 17:59.53 | kergoth | colors all wrong |
| 17:59.55 | kergoth | etc |
| 17:59.58 | kergoth | i thought it was the monitor |
| 18:00.03 | kergoth | till i replaced the card on a hunch |
| 18:00.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:00.17 | erikd | my monitor flickers |
| 18:00.24 | kergoth | mine jumps around |
| 18:00.26 | kergoth | like .. once in a while |
| 18:00.32 | kergoth | the screen jumps half a centimeter to the left |
| 18:00.34 | kergoth | or back to the right |
| 18:00.36 | kergoth | its really annoying |
| 18:00.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:00.56 | erikd | mine does the thing where it's like it loses power for a fraction of a second |
| 18:00.59 | erikd | and it jitters |
| 18:01.01 | kergoth | weird |
| 18:01.16 | erikd | well, it's almost 14 years old :) |
| 18:01.22 | erikd | actually |
| 18:01.27 | erikd | hmm |
| 18:01.31 | erikd | no, not that old |
| 18:01.33 | erikd | maybe 10 |
| 18:01.42 | icefox | http://people.howstuffworks.com/art.htm |
| 18:01.42 | icefox | haha |
| 18:03.59 | nofpu | according to an add on that page my computer is currently 'broadcasting an internet ip address' |
| 18:04.40 | icefox | nooooooouuuuu |
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| 18:05.18 | nofpu | half in and half out of my computer ek erikd - I cut you in half |
| 18:06.28 | erikd | waitaminute |
| 18:06.30 | erikd | you lie! |
| 18:06.33 | erikd | you're still here! |
| 18:06.38 | nofpu | you lied first |
| 18:06.48 | Pendalar | warmi: privmsg |
| 18:07.14 | erikd | no, you lied first when you said you cut the power |
| 18:07.25 | nofpu | oh yeah |
| 18:07.39 | nofpu | :) |
| 18:07.42 | erikd | :) |
| 18:09.09 | nofpu | I blame 1960s avant garde jazz |
| 18:09.25 | bobbyd | kergoth: smartmedia card drive |
| 18:09.40 | hardwire | kergoth: dumbmedia card drive |
| 18:09.44 | kergoth | bobbyd: no onboard flash chip, just the drive? |
| 18:09.46 | bobbyd | yup |
| 18:09.47 | bobbyd | ;) |
| 18:09.56 | bobbyd | how'd you like that ;) |
| 18:10.00 | kergoth | bah |
| 18:10.10 | bobbyd | in fact i think there's something like 256k flash |
| 18:10.13 | bobbyd | ;) |
| 18:10.52 | treke | gnnn qtopia docs are now on the trolltech site |
| 18:10.58 | kergoth | they are? |
| 18:11.02 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:11.04 | kergoth | took em long enough |
| 18:11.16 | nofpu | yeah |
| 18:11.42 | bobbyd | kergoth: http://users.raketnet.nl/darkfader/http://darkfader.net/gp32/start.html |
| 18:11.46 | nofpu | spending some IBM cash |
| 18:12.52 | treke | they still suck but they are there |
| 18:13.05 | treke | http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia/index.html |
| 18:13.31 | nofpu | hehe actually I cant see anything at doc.trolltech.com but maybe that's because my isp sucks :) |
| 18:13.56 | nofpu | that link works though |
| 18:14.19 | treke | nofpu: mayb your browser sucks |
| 18:14.47 | bobbyd | cyas |
| 18:15.05 | nofpu | poor galeon 1.2.6 |
| 18:16.18 | treke | ah so its true. your kernel does suck |
| 18:17.12 | nofpu | df sucks - it's telling me that my /home is full |
| 18:17.16 | erikd | safari still doesn't render everything correctly |
| 18:17.27 | erikd | and darien: you have to pay to play the stuff on this site? |
| 18:17.38 | erikd | emercenary that is |
| 18:17.57 | treke | nofpu: df does some very rough calculations and can be wildly inaccurate |
| 18:18.08 | treke | particularly if your using some thing like df -m or df -h |
| 18:18.12 | Neo|Work | morning |
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| 18:20.12 | darienm | erikd, seems you pay for 'tokens' then wager them, and convert your winnings to cash |
| 18:22.27 | nofpu | I have a habit of using df -k |
| 18:23.26 | Wintre | nofpu: Learned on something SysVish? |
| 18:24.10 | nofpu | yeah |
| 18:24.23 | Wintre | I use -k with du. Not df though |
| 18:25.01 | erikd | darien: ah |
| 18:25.38 | Neo|Work | warmi: seems like Flip it! will be my next release. :) |
| 18:25.41 | Neo|Work | really fun little app |
| 18:25.57 | warmi | any links ? |
| 18:25.59 | nofpu | POSIXLY_CORRECT is a fun name for an environment variable |
| 18:26.06 | warmi | or is it that animation app ? |
| 18:26.15 | Neo|Work | animation app |
| 18:26.18 | Neo|Work | http://www.dig-concepts.com/index.php?tab=1&pr=6 |
| 18:26.20 | warmi | ah ok |
| 18:26.25 | warmi | yeah |
| 18:26.47 | warmi | are you using Qte for this or drawing directly in framebuffer ? |
| 18:26.50 | Neo|Work | can also be used as a multi-page-per-document textpad. :) |
| 18:27.07 | Neo|Work | it's the same engine used by Bust'em and MSR - i.e direct framebuffer |
| 18:27.19 | warmi | ah ok |
| 18:27.49 | warmi | oh these are the same guys who wrote MSR .. ok |
| 18:27.54 | Neo|Work | indeed |
| 18:28.07 | Neo|Work | I'll also soon do Warbirds |
| 18:28.14 | treke | Warbirds? |
| 18:28.16 | warmi | Warbirds ??? |
| 18:28.17 | erikd | pocketpc? :( |
| 18:28.20 | warmi | a 3d sim ? |
| 18:28.40 | warmi | ah ok |
| 18:28.41 | Neo|Work | http://www.dig-concepts.com/index.php?tab=1&pr=8 |
| 18:29.10 | Neo|Work | I think Flip it will cost lik 4.95 |
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| 18:29.24 | warmi | that looks like a "modern/funky" version of xgalaga |
| 18:29.33 | Neo|Work | I hope that's an attractive price for such a fun little app. :P it is DEFINITELY perfect for those boring meetings. :P |
| 18:29.44 | Neo|Work | warmi: I haven't played the game yet so I don't know |
| 18:29.49 | Neo|Work | but I might bet my PocketPC today |
| 18:30.09 | erikd | neo: i'd buy it if it worked on the z |
| 18:30.13 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:30.20 | Neo|Work | "On FedEx vehicle for delivery/BOTHELL WA" |
| 18:30.25 | Neo|Work | yeah, think it'll come today |
| 18:30.34 | warmi | what did you get ? |
| 18:30.36 | Neo|Work | erikd: dood, I just said I ported it. :P |
| 18:30.40 | erikd | oh |
| 18:30.42 | treke | erikd: why do you think Neo|Work is talking about it :) |
| 18:30.46 | Neo|Work | it's going to be released in a day or two (Flip it that is) |
| 18:30.55 | icefox | Neo|Work Everyone here enjoys it |
| 18:30.58 | Neo|Work | warmi: Dell Axim, the 400 MHz version |
| 18:31.03 | icefox | A definate kid entertainer |
| 18:31.19 | icefox | and adult :-D |
| 18:31.20 | rastakid | Neo: you ported it to the Z? Under which license? |
| 18:31.22 | Neo|Work | icefox: I did some doodling while waiting for the doctor. I call it "ball". :) |
| 18:31.33 | Neo|Work | rastakid: commercial. I do porting. http://eongames.com/ |
| 18:31.36 | warmi | heh ... yeah, Axims are great deal |
| 18:31.49 | icefox | what format does it save it in? |
| 18:32.02 | Neo|Work | icefox: one of the first buyers were apparenty some disney person, presumable someone skilled in animation |
| 18:32.06 | Neo|Work | icefox: custom |
| 18:32.08 | rastakid | neo: how much is it gonna cost? |
| 18:32.19 | Neo|Work | rastakid: flip it? I think about 5 bucks or so |
| 18:32.26 | icefox | Neo|Work: how cool |
| 18:32.36 | rastakid | neo: okay, I would had bought it if I wasn't a poor student, sorry :-( |
| 18:32.50 | Neo|Work | icefox: " |
| 18:32.51 | icefox | would be cool if you could set a "background" or something |
| 18:32.59 | Neo|Work | icefox: it's using "FST" which I still guess is custom |
| 18:33.16 | Neo|Work | icefox: as in a static / per frame background loaded from a file? |
| 18:33.18 | icefox | mng is animated png's right? |
| 18:33.26 | warmi | yeah |
| 18:33.32 | nofpu | hm, QPEApplication segfaults for me when I pass its constructor QApplication::Tty as a 3rd argument |
| 18:33.34 | icefox | Neo|Work: yah |
| 18:33.46 | Neo|Work | the problem is that the image format is "diff" based I believe |
| 18:33.53 | icefox | ah |
| 18:33.56 | Neo|Work | so if you save the image WITH the animation, it'd be huge |
| 18:34.21 | warmi | does it do anti-aliasing ? |
| 18:34.56 | icefox | doens't really matter :-D Even though it has basic drawing tools the real fun is simply from the ability to make things move and go |
| 18:34.58 | Neo|Work | warmi: no |
| 18:34.58 | treke | doesnt look like it |
| 18:35.13 | treke | it doesnt really do much other than make a line on the screen :) |
| 18:35.41 | icefox | took me a while to figure out how to change the color |
| 18:35.41 | Neo|Work | drawing features: freehand line with a choice of colors and sizes |
| 18:35.42 | icefox | and size |
| 18:35.43 | Neo|Work | that's it. :) |
| 18:35.43 | warmi | well, you know - it is , just like Neo said, perfect for these long meetings .. |
| 18:35.48 | icefox | sense they are both black circles to start |
| 18:36.00 | treke | Neo|Work: an erasor and copy feature would be nice |
| 18:36.03 | Neo|Work | I really wish it has an erase button (i.e hold and erase) |
| 18:36.15 | warmi | NeoTron: add it then |
| 18:36.24 | Neo|Work | treke: indeed. I believe Douglas has plans to add some features and release a new version |
| 18:36.29 | treke | would make it easier to do animations that dont look like 100% ass |
| 18:36.36 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, as I just said, I think Doug will add some stuff |
| 18:36.47 | Neo|Work | treke: although that IS half the charm. :P |
| 18:37.16 | Neo|Work | "create new from current" or so would be nice |
| 18:37.19 | icefox | little flip book stuff |
| 18:37.31 | Pendalar | warmi: privmsg(s) |
| 18:37.47 | icefox | kinda like using postit notes and whiteboard for presentations rather then spending 6 hours on powerpoint |
| 18:38.33 | icefox | Neo|Work: where is the CE website? |
| 18:39.02 | icefox | http://www.dig-concepts.com/index.php?tab=1&pr=6 |
| 18:39.03 | icefox | nm |
| 18:40.26 | icefox | oh hey you can exit without saving |
| 18:40.32 | icefox | prompting to save would be good |
| 18:40.37 | icefox | sense it doesn't autosave |
| 18:40.43 | icefox | or even better autosave :-D |
| 18:40.44 | Neo|Work | icefox: I have a suggestion for him: autosave |
| 18:41.00 | Neo|Work | i.e save to autosave.pad on exit and load /delete on startup if it's there |
| 18:41.12 | Neo|Work | that _I_ most likely will add if Doug doesn't |
| 18:41.48 | Twiun | svg export? |
| 18:41.52 | icefox | http://www.ai.mit.edu/~rahimi/coolmf/ |
| 18:41.54 | icefox | hahahahaha |
| 18:44.10 | Neo|Work | btw, you CAN always erase by using the white color |
| 18:44.15 | Neo|Work | but it's kind of not so handy |
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| 18:52.55 | mark | yey, pancake day today |
| 18:53.08 | nofpu | is it? |
| 18:53.14 | nofpu | I like pancakes |
| 18:53.18 | kergoth | er, i dont have any pancakes :( |
| 18:53.43 | mark | kergoth: you need a wife/mum/gf/maid :) |
| 18:53.55 | kergoth | true that |
| 18:54.02 | nofpu | but mainly he just needs pancakes |
| 18:54.03 | nofpu | as di I |
| 18:54.05 | nofpu | do |
| 18:54.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:54.31 | kergoth | indeed |
| 18:55.08 | icefox | with wives pancakes just appear. |
| 18:55.33 | icefox | Jen loves them and every once in a while she will suddenly just make them. |
| 18:55.46 | Wintre | I tend to make them every weekend |
| 18:55.49 | Wintre | mmmmmm pancakes |
| 19:00.14 | nofpu | hurrah for pancakes |
| 19:00.22 | nofpu | I think US apncakes are different to uk ones |
| 19:00.57 | mark | heh |
| 19:01.11 | Wintre | I think the UK usage of "different" is different from US |
| 19:01.26 | sukoshi | anybody can send me recipes? |
| 19:01.34 | sukoshi | we don't eat pancakes here |
| 19:01.34 | nofpu | different different |
| 19:01.35 | Wintre | For pancakes? |
| 19:01.40 | Wintre | nofpu: ;) |
| 19:01.46 | kergoth | sukoshi: eek, no pancakes? |
| 19:02.17 | mark | aren't american panckages small and fat? |
| 19:02.26 | mark | our ones here are really thin |
| 19:02.29 | sukoshi | kergoth: real |
| 19:02.45 | mark | sukoshi: eggs, flour, and water. hehe |
| 19:02.47 | nofpu | US ones are 'real' thick |
| 19:02.51 | Wintre | American pancakes are usually thick, but probably not small |
| 19:03.09 | kergoth | i love this channel |
| 19:03.16 | nofpu | #pancakes? |
| 19:03.18 | kergoth | it can go from political commentary to pancakes at the drop of a hat |
| 19:03.21 | kergoth | its great |
| 19:03.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:03.24 | nofpu | hehe |
| 19:03.27 | mark | kergoth: haha, yeap |
| 19:03.38 | Wintre | nofpu: I'll try to rememeber to send you something later |
| 19:03.49 | mark | kergoth`lunch: better be pancakes |
| 19:03.58 | kergoth`lunch | mark: i wish |
| 19:04.12 | kergoth`lunch | itll be some form of fast food |
| 19:04.13 | kergoth`lunch | heh |
| 19:04.25 | nofpu | Wintre: something pancakey? |
| 19:05.37 | icefox | Neo|Work a cool feature would be to copy the last frame |
| 19:05.59 | Wintre | nofpu: Err |
| 19:06.06 | Wintre | Not you, sorry. |
| 19:06.15 | Wintre | sukoshi: I have a nice recipe at home |
| 19:06.29 | nofpu | Wintre: ah :) |
| 19:07.21 | sukoshi | Wintre: i'd like your recipe |
| 19:08.20 | nofpu | google pancake recipe uk |
| 19:08.31 | nofpu | google: pancake recipe uk |
| 19:08.51 | nofpu | oh whatever :) |
| 19:09.00 | sukoshi | ;) |
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| 19:14.22 | frankps | hi all |
| 19:14.30 | Neo|Work | icefox: yes, it would be very nice and technically easy to implement |
| 19:19.05 | icefox | hey I found some sort of back door |
| 19:19.10 | icefox | a console and menu button? |
| 19:19.23 | Neo|Work | icefox: yeah. :P |
| 19:19.33 | Neo|Work | it should also have a FPS counter in the top right |
| 19:19.36 | icefox | How did I get that? |
| 19:19.39 | Neo|Work | hrm |
| 19:19.42 | Neo|Work | I always forget.. :P |
| 19:19.59 | icefox | 55 |
| 19:20.09 | icefox | 55/60 it says |
| 19:20.46 | Neo|Work | tap and hold bottom right and press a button |
| 19:21.25 | Neo|Work | when playing the TANK animation on the A300 it bottoms out at 38 FPS |
| 19:23.26 | icefox | any way to slow it down? |
| 19:23.28 | icefox | on the 55? |
| 19:24.00 | Neo|Work | animation speed is controlled by up/down |
| 19:24.58 | icefox | hahahaha |
| 19:25.06 | Neo|Work | the FPS shown is screen updates / second and "game logic" updates per second |
| 19:25.08 | icefox | nothing like having a rolling rock run over someone |
| 19:25.13 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 19:26.15 | icefox | but first they have to jump and and try to run away |
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| 19:34.25 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 19:36.03 | icefox | You need to make a website where people can upload their animations |
| 19:36.35 | icefox | or a way to convert them to gifs or something |
| 19:37.53 | Neo|Work | all good suggestions yes. :P |
| 19:53.04 | warmi | Neo|Work: you are enterging PPC market ( asking cause of that new Axim you bought ) ? |
| 19:53.15 | warmi | entering even |
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| 20:05.34 | Neo|Work | warmi: #1) Test games I port FROM the pocketpc and also evaluating titles I might want to port possibl |
| 20:05.45 | Neo|Work | #2) yes, I might do PocketPC work possibly |
| 20:06.34 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah, hehe .. I wonder how did you do that before .. porting games without even knowing how they look "live" :-) |
| 20:08.53 | Neo|Work | l33t skillz. :P |
| 20:09.11 | Neo|Work | and also nice original developers who don't mind spending some like looking at fscked up screenshots and stuff. :) |
| 20:09.24 | warmi | ah ok |
| 20:09.41 | warmi | well, surely having Axim will help you here |
| 20:10.05 | Neo|Work | indeed |
| 20:10.22 | warmi | why did you go for that model ? |
| 20:10.44 | warmi | I actually got myself ipaq which is pretty much the most popular PPC |
| 20:11.02 | warmi | and it is relatively cheap ( ipaqs 3835 go for $320 or so) |
| 20:11.09 | Neo|Work | and it'll make a nice linux PDA once supported by say OpenEmbedded. :P |
| 20:11.24 | Neo|Work | I paid $339 for the Axim with shipping |
| 20:11.30 | Neo|Work | not including a $50 mailing rebate. :P |
| 20:11.50 | treke | axim has built in CF, doesntit? |
| 20:11.55 | warmi | well, with this kind of pricing Dell has a chance to overtake ipaq as far as sales are concerned |
| 20:12.20 | icefox | which is where they make there money |
| 20:12.21 | treke | warmi: compaq has the 1911 now also |
| 20:12.25 | Neo|Work | treke: yes, CF and SD |
| 20:12.49 | warmi | treke: oh well, I have only SD on mine |
| 20:12.56 | treke | warmi: same here |
| 20:13.02 | treke | but I have a dual/cf sleeve |
| 20:13.14 | treke | the 1911 starts at 300 bucks |
| 20:13.27 | warmi | yeah, I think I might get one - not for CF cards but for ethernet connectivity |
| 20:13.44 | Neo|Work | what is really nice with the axim is the 64 MB memory and 48 (!) MB flash |
| 20:13.49 | warmi | although, USB seems to be working fine ... so far |
| 20:13.51 | treke | warmi: I usually do one wireless card, one storage card |
| 20:13.54 | Neo|Work | I mean, that's plenty of flash for BOTH linux and PocketPC |
| 20:13.59 | Neo|Work | so if it could dualboot that'd rock. :) |
| 20:14.03 | warmi | Neo|Work: heeh |
| 20:14.05 | warmi | yeah, true that |
| 20:14.11 | treke | Neo|Work: hehe its not as much flash as you think :) |
| 20:14.27 | Neo|Work | treke: I know the zaurii have 16 MB... so it's plenty |
| 20:14.30 | warmi | the question is - will they ever release neccesary specs for Linux dudes to create OE for the Axim |
| 20:14.31 | Neo|Work | it's more than 2x that |
| 20:14.38 | Neo|Work | warmi: it's likely |
| 20:14.46 | Neo|Work | Jason is hassling them. :P |
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| 20:14.57 | Neo|Work | treke: flash? using flash as storage or what/ |
| 20:15.04 | warmi | yeah, one would think it could only enhance value of their hardware |
| 20:15.09 | treke | Neo|Work: No, that's just apps |
| 20:15.21 | treke | I keep documents on in ram |
| 20:15.37 | seth | does anyone know when the first SL-5600 will be available? |
| 20:15.37 | Neo|Work | treke: does PocketPC allow storing documents in flash then? |
| 20:15.44 | treke | Neo|Work: sort of |
| 20:16.12 | treke | I dont think it treats it like a standard filesystem, but you can put things into flash for storage |
| 20:16.23 | noidd | evening guys |
| 20:16.30 | treke | maybe warmi could check for us |
| 20:16.44 | Neo|Work | treke: that's kind of cool that |
| 20:16.59 | treke | Neo|Work: on the 3800 you have around 6 meg of flash free |
| 20:17.03 | Neo|Work | know if iy allows you to use all 64 MB of RAM as RAM and only use SD for storage? |
| 20:17.17 | Neo|Work | treke: that said, how much space is used by default? |
| 20:17.25 | Neo|Work | since you can use SD as storage for apps.. |
| 20:17.50 | warmi | treke: how do I check that ? I know nothing about usage of PPC - I hardly ever use it :-) |
| 20:18.04 | treke | Neo|Work: This is going more from my memory of CE 2.0, not 3.0, but you could adjust the ratio of system ram to storage space |
| 20:18.21 | treke | warmi: not sure, look for something like "FileStore" on the control panel. |
| 20:18.38 | warmi | oh, yeah, I did store stuff in that |
| 20:18.50 | warmi | it looked like a Compaq specific "feature" |
| 20:18.56 | warmi | or at least it was branded as sucj |
| 20:18.57 | warmi | such |
| 20:19.03 | warmi | something like "Compaq file store" |
| 20:19.07 | treke | yeah thats it |
| 20:19.26 | warmi | you can even install apps there |
| 20:19.29 | treke | other companies may have something similar |
| 20:19.37 | Neo|Work | in either case, initially I'll use it as PocketPC only |
| 20:19.39 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 20:19.47 | warmi | I think .... because it shows up in the list of locations during installation |
| 20:19.57 | treke | Neo|Work: that would be rather obvious |
| 20:20.11 | treke | Neo|Work: initially there is no linux port :) |
| 20:20.45 | Neo|Work | treke: well, true but when has that stopped anyone? |
| 20:20.52 | Neo|Work | vmware for PocketPC anyone? :) |
| 20:20.56 | treke | hehe |
| 20:21.18 | treke | if they use the CRL bootloader you'd be able to dualboot with cf |
| 20:21.39 | noidd | Neo, ugh |
| 20:21.42 | treke | (with the obvious downsides) |
| 20:21.59 | noidd | Nah, how about a Zaurus kernel compiled with the user-mode patches :-D |
| 20:23.01 | Neo|Work | treke: I'm guessing that is what jason is trying to figure out.. |
| 20:23.56 | treke | Neo|Work: the he's probably trying to get the specs to do any form of port. the CRL bootldr is the one Compaq/CRL wrote to get linux running on the ipaq. |
| 20:24.42 | treke | It makes dualbooting relativly useless since you cant maintain the contents of ram between os's |
| 20:27.22 | djg | is there a better way to install qtopiadesktop on debian stable than just compiling the whole stuff? |
| 20:42.50 | kergoth | djg: eh? qtopia desktop's sources arent available |
| 20:44.46 | sukoshi | kergoth: they are if you pay, in fact ;) |
| 20:45.01 | kergoth | heh |
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| 20:49.15 | krezel | blah |
| 20:52.29 | krezel | Does OE run on X36 hardware? |
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| 20:53.00 | treke | X36? |
| 20:53.00 | kergoth | krezel: it can, nobody has bothered to try |
| 20:53.04 | kergoth | krezel: assuming you meant x86 |
| 20:53.10 | krezel | Hmm yes 86 |
| 20:53.38 | krezel | I have an old 486 laptop that might be fun to run opie on |
| 20:54.57 | treke | or so you think |
| 20:55.27 | krezel | Or it might be incredibly painful |
| 20:55.28 | krezel | I dunno |
| 20:57.21 | noidd | ok, i've tried and tried, no way I can get this tkc ipk to work |
| 20:57.30 | kergoth | noidd: ? |
| 20:57.34 | noidd | get lots of bad permission rubbish when I do the install |
| 20:57.38 | krezel | which app? |
| 20:57.48 | kergoth | what app? what messages? what rom? |
| 20:57.50 | noidd | thats just getting the base library to install |
| 20:57.53 | krezel | Installing to ram or to SD/CF? |
| 20:57.58 | noidd | to sd |
| 20:58.15 | krezel | noidd: It has to be installed to ram |
| 20:58.17 | krezel | it does a bunch of stupid linking |
| 20:58.22 | noidd | Ah, ok |
| 20:58.35 | krezel | Yup |
| 20:58.38 | noidd | oh, I have a completely replicatable bug which crashes opie in 3.1rc2 |
| 20:58.48 | kergoth | remember to thank tkc for their wonderfully hackish ipks |
| 20:58.55 | krezel | I think it might work if your SD was formatted ext2 |
| 20:59.03 | noidd | when I see BB next i'll give him a pat on the back |
| 20:59.25 | krezel | kergoth: I prefer to keep on BigBoss's good side... He seems like he might hurt me |
| 20:59.42 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:59.46 | noidd | gonna go check the buglist and smoke a fresh one if its not there |
| 20:59.51 | kergoth | nah, he'll jjust unsubscribe you from the tkc mailing list |
| 20:59.54 | kergoth | they're petty like that |
| 21:00.06 | krezel | Oh god, that would cut about half my email traffic |
| 21:00.10 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:00.38 | noidd | do the apps have to go to RAM? or just the libs? |
| 21:01.28 | krezel | I think like datebook, addressbook, and todolist have to be in ram |
| 21:01.32 | krezel | its on their webpage |
| 21:01.51 | noidd | here is a silly question... |
| 21:02.03 | noidd | why doesn't it work across both... cos my ipks dont work either |
| 21:02.36 | krezel | Hmm... |
| 21:02.50 | krezel | I just installed it using the built in installer :) |
| 21:03.45 | krezel | heh |
| 21:04.42 | kergoth | rhm |
| 21:04.43 | kergoth | hrm |
| 21:09.39 | sukoshi | mhr? |
| 21:09.45 | sukoshi | rmh? |
| 21:09.47 | sukoshi | ;) |
| 21:10.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:10.42 | kergoth | oh, i should start a b500 buildroot build |
| 21:10.46 | kergoth | it could very well be working already |
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| 21:11.11 | kergoth | I fixed the basesystem issues, all thats left is c700 specific stuff like qt/e alterations |
| 21:11.22 | kergoth | well, nevermind, forgot about hte keyboard mess for qt/efor b500 |
| 21:11.32 | sukoshi | what kind of mess? |
| 21:12.23 | noidd | it looks like a lovely piece of kit |
| 21:12.31 | noidd | would like to get my paws on one for a few hours |
| 21:12.59 | kergoth | sukoshi: qt/e's keyboard support blows goats |
| 21:13.02 | kergoth | sukoshi: its horrible |
| 21:13.03 | noidd | kergoth: added another bug to the stack, sorry :-/ |
| 21:13.14 | kergoth | noidd: what bug? |
| 21:13.14 | mewyn | anyone know how to check if a cd is blank with cdrecord? |
| 21:13.29 | noidd | 697530 |
| 21:13.40 | noidd | How to make opie SEGV with complete reliability |
| 21:13.54 | noidd | replicable |
| 21:13.55 | kergoth | sukoshi: and to get it working well with 5000d/5500 2.4.19, poodle, and corgi, I either need to hardcode lots of crap and lots of ifdefs, or I rewrite the keyboard support to be able to load a kernel keymap file and use it |
| 21:14.05 | kergoth | noidd: give me a summary, i'm in console here without links installe |
| 21:14.06 | kergoth | d/win 16 |
| 21:14.08 | kergoth | damn d |
| 21:14.10 | noidd | Ok |
| 21:14.12 | sukoshi | kergoth: if you tell so ;) |
| 21:14.34 | noidd | Fire up a program that likes to wander away from the GUI mainloop for an extended period of time. EG: apkg |
| 21:14.35 | sukoshi | hey, can i help you with keymap? |
| 21:14.43 | sukoshi | don't forget i have a japanese keyboard |
| 21:14.49 | noidd | Switch to menus.. by pressing home key |
| 21:15.01 | noidd | Switch back to that process using icon in the bar |
| 21:15.06 | kergoth | sukoshi: i know, first i'll fix the keyboard support in general, then i'll get assistance |
| 21:15.20 | noidd | Dialog comes up which says "This program is not responding, kill it or wait" |
| 21:15.32 | kergoth | noidd: the fact that the kill function kills opie itself is known |
| 21:15.33 | noidd | Click "kill" and opie SEGVs dropping you to console |
| 21:15.34 | kergoth | noidd: reported |
| 21:15.35 | kergoth | noidd: and documented |
| 21:15.48 | noidd | ok, i'll nuke the bug then, sorry |
| 21:15.50 | kergoth | noidd: and you should opent he bug in opie's BTS, not OZ's |
| 21:15.57 | kergoth | if you didnt already |
| 21:15.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:16.07 | noidd | didn't know there was a seperate buglist |
| 21:16.17 | noidd | but thinking about it, i've just been silly. Yes. |
| 21:16.24 | kergoth | opie has a seperate BTS |
| 21:16.28 | kergoth | periodically i have to go through boht |
| 21:16.35 | kergoth | telling people to put OZ bugs in oz's, and opie's in opies |
| 21:16.38 | kergoth | both |
| 21:16.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:16.43 | noidd | wont let me close it :-/ |
| 21:16.58 | kergoth | no worries, i'll blow away the opie bugs later today |
| 21:17.20 | noidd | mind you, i'm kinda surprised at the number of apps that ignore mainloop |
| 21:17.48 | kergoth | they dont ignore it, they just forget to release control to it periodically |
| 21:17.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:17.53 | noidd | for long periods of time. Guess people don't think its so important since the expose type event doesn't happen so much on embedded as much as on X |
| 21:18.44 | noidd | still, not allowed to complain since I havnt written any apps for the Z yet |
| 21:19.04 | kergoth | hey at least you admit it |
| 21:19.05 | kergoth | :P |
| 21:19.15 | noidd | aye |
| 21:19.32 | kergoth | hrmmm |
| 21:19.55 | kergoth | i should swipe the keymap aprsing code from busybox's keymap compiler and use it for qt/e |
| 21:22.09 | kergoth | argh |
| 21:23.49 | Wintre | sukoshi: ping |
| 21:23.53 | sukoshi | ? |
| 21:24.21 | mewyn | gah |
| 21:24.30 | mewyn | i wish i had an ethernet cable near by |
| 21:25.19 | sukoshi | Wintre: thx |
| 21:25.22 | Wintre | Sure |
| 21:25.48 | mewyn | transfering 780 megs over wifi is just suck |
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| 21:38.37 | erikd | well, i got home and added myself to the wheel group so i can compile stuff from here at work |
| 21:38.49 | erikd | but on the way back to work my car died :( |
| 21:38.58 | erikd | how ironic is that? |
| 21:39.11 | erikd | i was gonna get it fixed with the paycheck i'm getting tomorrow =/ |
| 21:41.26 | erikd | GAH! |
| 21:41.31 | erikd | i forgot to start sshd now!@#$ |
| 21:42.11 | nofpu | again |
| 21:45.05 | erikd | i didn't really die the first time |
| 21:45.08 | erikd | because you were lying |
| 21:48.48 | nofpu | oh yeah |
| 21:48.51 | nofpu | :) |
| 21:49.11 | nofpu | did your car really die? |
| 21:52.59 | erikd | well |
| 21:53.18 | erikd | i was driving down the road and all of a sudden it stopped responding when i pressed gas |
| 21:53.23 | erikd | so i was like... hmmm |
| 21:54.25 | nofpu | hmmm indeed |
| 21:54.58 | erikd | so i coasted into the "milwaukee county something or other" |
| 21:55.03 | erikd | and called my boss to jump me |
| 21:55.40 | nofpu | I'm guessing 'jump me' means something else where you are from ;) |
| 21:55.46 | icefox | yes |
| 21:55.58 | icefox | provide an electrical spark :-D |
| 21:56.00 | erikd | hehe |
| 21:56.02 | erikd | yeah |
| 21:56.08 | nofpu | ah :) hehe |
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| 21:56.19 | nofpu | spark make dead car live |
| 21:56.20 | mewyn | re warmi |
| 21:56.27 | warmi | re |
| 21:56.34 | icefox | I remember when my alternator died |
| 21:56.42 | icefox | Had to get jumped at least a dozen times that week |
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| 21:57.36 | nofpu | I remember when my car died - I crashed it when in sweden - I like to think it's been made into a shiny new Volvo now |
| 21:58.04 | nofpu | didnt get jumped once |
| 21:58.27 | erikd | icefox: i think that's what happened to my car |
| 21:58.34 | erikd | i think my alternator died |
| 21:58.44 | icefox | well it could just be your battery |
| 21:58.49 | erikd | hopefully |
| 21:58.58 | erikd | but it was fine this morning =/ |
| 21:59.02 | nofpu | I should've lied...then it would still be ok |
| 21:59.04 | erikd | full charge and everything |
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| 21:59.20 | erikd | icefox: what kinda car/truck do you have? |
| 21:59.26 | icefox | Chevette Camero |
| 21:59.38 | erikd | how much did it cost to get the alternator fixed? |
| 22:00.02 | icefox | http://kaylee.meyerhome.net:81/~ben/ben/whoisben/phpquickgallery/dir.php?gallery=1998/My%20Car/ |
| 22:00.14 | warmi | my wife once set out to change oil and instead of that she drained gear shift fluid - the car died next day |
| 22:00.15 | icefox | hmm I fixed it myself so it was just the part which I got refurbished |
| 22:00.18 | icefox | $200 or so |
| 22:00.26 | erikd | ah |
| 22:00.32 | icefox | If forget exactly was in 99 |
| 22:01.52 | treke | warmi: oops |
| 22:02.22 | warmi | uh .. looks like there are already XScale PXA 255 based devices out ... |
| 22:02.29 | warmi | I would love to get my hands on one of these |
| 22:02.33 | kergoth | there is?? |
| 22:02.34 | warmi | see how it performs |
| 22:02.44 | warmi | http://www.pocketpctools.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=325&mode=&order=0&thold=0 |
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| 22:03.34 | treke | oh a toshiba |
| 22:03.37 | treke | toshibas rock :) |
| 22:04.03 | treke | toshiba has the built in wifi + cf + sd + ati accelerator |
| 22:04.11 | warmi | yeah, I would expect 400 MHZ to be at least 2 as fast as 200 MHZ Arm -- with 200 MHZ bus this thing should rock |
| 22:04.26 | warmi | treke: that ati accelerator sucks big time |
| 22:04.31 | treke | warmi: does it? |
| 22:04.56 | warmi | yeah, PCC devs claim it is faster to continue to use your own code for blits etc .. |
| 22:05.04 | treke | ah |
| 22:05.18 | warmi | I guess another mishap - just like original XScale |
| 22:05.48 | treke | wonder how the mq100 works ( or whatever its called) |
| 22:06.05 | warmi | what's that ? |
| 22:06.14 | treke | warmi: another acellerator |
| 22:06.15 | warmi | btw .. viewsonic has some PPC devices out .. |
| 22:06.19 | treke | warmi: hp uses it |
| 22:06.25 | warmi | they are right down there competing against Dell |
| 22:06.51 | warmi | around $250-350 price range |
| 22:07.27 | warmi | someone _NEEDS_ to make Linux work on one of these utra-cheap PDAs |
| 22:07.29 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:07.49 | treke | warmi: maybe compaq will soon :) |
| 22:08.00 | warmi | compaq ?? |
| 22:08.05 | treke | sorry hp |
| 22:08.09 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:08.16 | treke | on the 1910 |
| 22:08.18 | warmi | they have 1910 out |
| 22:08.21 | warmi | yeah |
| 22:08.26 | kergoth | heh, this code in X for handling the keyboard is pretty well done |
| 22:08.27 | warmi | I don't know how good is it though .. |
| 22:08.33 | kergoth | time to bitchslap qt/e |
| 22:08.36 | treke | warmi: I wouldnt buy one |
| 22:08.40 | warmi | why ? |
| 22:08.42 | treke | warmi: but it looks like a decent ppc |
| 22:09.36 | warmi | kergoth: you know - you can't be perfect every damn time :-) |
| 22:09.46 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:09.51 | treke | warmi: too little flash for me. I dont think it was very expandable |
| 22:10.00 | warmi | it is 32 MB device right ? |
| 22:10.07 | treke | and a small battery |
| 22:10.14 | kergoth | warmi: the qt/e keyboard code is one big pile of ifdefs |
| 22:10.18 | treke | 64 ram, 16 flash |
| 22:10.21 | kergoth | warmi: mean, come on |
| 22:10.25 | kergoth | s/mean/i mean/ |
| 22:10.38 | warmi | kergoth: ifdefs for what ? Windows stuff ? |
| 22:10.44 | kergoth | warmi: different devices |
| 22:10.50 | kergoth | warmi: ipaq, Z, etc |
| 22:10.54 | kergoth | for the keyboard mappings |
| 22:10.59 | kergoth | its all hardcoded, within ifdefs for device |
| 22:10.59 | kergoth | its a mess |
| 22:11.09 | mewyn | gah. some people just don't get it |
| 22:11.17 | treke | kergoth: is there anything else hardware specific other than the ts and keyboard code? |
| 22:11.36 | kergoth | treke: in qt/e? not afaik |
| 22:11.45 | kergoth | we should get it using libodevice :) |
| 22:11.48 | treke | hmmm |
| 22:12.06 | treke | kergoth: so using tslib for the touch screen it would just need a kblib :) |
| 22:12.12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:12.16 | kergoth | no, even better |
| 22:12.20 | kergoth | you can just read the kernel keymap and use that |
| 22:12.23 | kergoth | instead of its own |
| 22:12.25 | kergoth | ta da, we're done |
| 22:12.26 | warmi | qkeyboard_qws.cpp <- this is the file you are talking about ? |
| 22:12.28 | kergoth | which is what i'm doing now |
| 22:12.30 | kergoth | warmi: yeah |
| 22:12.39 | treke | kergoth: and then fix whatever is in odevice that is a compiletime option |
| 22:13.15 | kergoth | yeah, if we take care of ts and keyboard, qt/e wouldnt even need to use odevice |
| 22:13.16 | warmi | QWSiPaqButtonsHandler |
| 22:13.20 | kergoth | warmi: hehe |
| 22:13.20 | warmi | yeah, looks like |
| 22:13.32 | kergoth | qwsmouse_qws.cpp isnt much better |
| 22:13.49 | warmi | how does X handle this stuff ? |
| 22:13.57 | kergoth | X uses its own internal keymap |
| 22:14.00 | kergoth | which is remappable |
| 22:14.06 | kergoth | and the inital map is read from the kernel keymap |
| 22:14.09 | kergoth | its quite well done |
| 22:14.12 | kergoth | dunno about ts |
| 22:14.34 | mewyn | kergoth: is that with or without xkb extensions? |
| 22:14.35 | warmi | QWSServer::KeyMap keyM[] |
| 22:14.50 | kergoth | mewyn: not certain, i know little about X |
| 22:14.53 | warmi | they have something like that as well - I am not sure though what exacty does it do :-) |
| 22:15.20 | kergoth | warmi: i want qt using kernel keymap, then we make a opie app to produce and manipulate keymaps |
| 22:15.48 | kergoth | then you have complete control |
| 22:16.07 | kergoth | so thast what i'm mworking on, from the looks of it it wont take long |
| 22:17.39 | warmi | have you looked at the latest qte code ? |
| 22:17.47 | kergoth | treke: should make the opie startup script use our device identification routines |
| 22:17.48 | warmi | perhaps they are exposing their own API for doing that these days .. |
| 22:17.54 | kergoth | warmi: i'm looking qt 2.3.4-beta5 right now. |
| 22:18.02 | kergoth | and its just as much of a mess as 2.3.2 was |
| 22:18.03 | warmi | I mean 3.x branch |
| 22:18.06 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:18.09 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:18.12 | kergoth | dunno |
| 22:18.15 | mewyn | kergoth: have you thought of using all the latest stuff in a testing version of OZ? |
| 22:18.30 | kergoth | qt3 roms will end up being available eventually |
| 22:18.35 | kergoth | alongside the existing ones |
| 22:18.39 | warmi | by the desktop qt standards - qte 2.x which we are using is like ancient :-) |
| 22:18.41 | kergoth | but its pretty far down the todo |
| 22:18.44 | kergoth | warmi: indeed |
| 22:18.47 | mewyn | with gcc 3.2 used? |
| 22:19.05 | treke | if yer gonna use qt 3, no reason not to use gcc3.2 :) |
| 22:19.09 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:19.17 | kergoth | there'll be qt2+gcc2, qt3+gcc3, and qt2+gcc3 roms |
| 22:19.20 | kergoth | among others |
| 22:19.24 | kergoth | and thats per device of course |
| 22:19.27 | kergoth | so we're talking an assload of images |
| 22:19.30 | mewyn | yah, since the binaries arent' compatable |
| 22:19.43 | treke | kergoth: why qt2-gcc3? Any real reason? |
| 22:20.08 | kergoth | right now, only because opie doesnt build happily with qt3 |
| 22:20.12 | kergoth | but later unneeded |
| 22:20.19 | treke | ah |
| 22:20.30 | kergoth | wonder if qt3 apps could work happily with qt2 apps if you had both libs |
| 22:20.38 | kergoth | they're probably fight over control of the FB |
| 22:20.41 | kergoth | they'd |
| 22:21.00 | treke | 2 qt 2.3's cant get along |
| 22:21.10 | kergoth | cause if they can work together, thered be a reason for a gcc2+qt3 rom |
| 22:22.37 | warmi | it could work |
| 22:22.56 | warmi | I mean, it is not like fb driver is going to be "locked" |
| 22:23.00 | kergoth | well yeah could, the question is does it.. :) |
| 22:23.15 | warmi | of course, you would have to run qpe 3 as a default qpe |
| 22:23.26 | kergoth | you mean, the qws would be a qt3 app? |
| 22:23.28 | treke | warmi: touchscreen would also be a problem |
| 22:23.41 | kergoth | true |
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| 22:24.38 | warmi | treke: is touchscreen polled on qt level ? |
| 22:24.53 | warmi | or are they actually hooked into some interrupt ? |
| 22:25.14 | warmi | they must be hooked |
| 22:25.24 | JasonNJ | sup doods. |
| 22:25.31 | warmi | that thing generates like 1001 events every time you touch the screen :-) |
| 22:26.12 | mewyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.29 | mewyn | warmi: have you used opie on your ipaq? |
| 22:26.52 | kergoth | warmi: you should install OE on your ipaq :) |
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| 22:27.23 | warmi | mewyn: not yet , I was planning to use it for that but I need to keep PPC on it for my PPC software support |
| 22:27.26 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: doodling crude animations. :P |
| 22:27.52 | warmi | I think I am going to get additional viewsonic or dell |
| 22:28.00 | warmi | these things are so cheap , who cares |
| 22:28.37 | mewyn | i'm wondering if the ts on the ipaq is any beter than that of the Z |
| 22:28.38 | mark | damn, I wish i was tax registered. you can get 100% tax breaks on IT stuff here atm |
| 22:28.39 | kergoth | bah |
| 22:28.41 | warmi | but what I really want is C 700 - I would definately put OE on that one ( preferably compiled with gc 3.x ) |
| 22:28.43 | Neo|Work | warmi: the dell is the best I think. It has 64/48 and don't need ram for the stuff in ROM which apparently some devices do |
| 22:28.56 | treke | mewyn: it is :) |
| 22:29.00 | kergoth | mewyn: the Z's ts is just fine in 2.4.19 :) |
| 22:29.11 | kergoth | treke: oh, if we go to tslib |
| 22:29.13 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah, seems like a good deal to me as well |
| 22:29.21 | kergoth | treke: we dont nee dth ts filtering int he ts driver anymore, it is in tslib already |
| 22:29.28 | kergoth | treke: i.e. jitter correction |
| 22:29.35 | mewyn | kergoth: does me a lot of good, i need SD |
| 22:29.49 | kergoth | mewyn: and SD may be supported, depending on my decision regarding it. |
| 22:29.56 | kergoth | again, i'm not making a decision until post 3.1` |
| 22:30.01 | mewyn | oooh oooh oooh! |
| 22:30.04 | mewyn | puuu |
| 22:30.10 | mewyn | get 3.1 out!!!! |
| 22:30.19 | kergoth | working on it |
| 22:30.24 | kergoth | I want a300/b500/c700 support in 3.1. |
| 22:30.34 | kergoth | So i'm busy rewriting qt/e's keyboard code, thank you very much |
| 22:30.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:31.19 | warmi | hehehe |
| 22:31.23 | kergoth | i had to rewrite it anyway for 2.4.19 on the 5000d/5500 |
| 22:31.26 | kergoth | so its effor twell spent |
| 22:31.33 | warmi | that's what you get for working hard for the community |
| 22:31.33 | warmi | :-) |
| 22:31.44 | warmi | people scream at you :-) |
| 22:31.57 | kergoth | i hate it when people have all these expectations of open source developers, as though its a product they paid for |
| 22:32.01 | kergoth | pisses me off |
| 22:32.07 | kergoth | i'm a fucking volunteer for gods sake |
| 22:32.08 | mewyn | you're never working hard enough :) |
| 22:32.09 | kergoth | heh |
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| 22:32.29 | mewyn | kergoth: you thinking to fuck the dmca? |
| 22:32.51 | kergoth | I have a few options open to me |
| 22:32.59 | kergoth | i really dont want to discuss this again |
| 22:33.03 | kergoth | i've gone over them like 12 times now |
| 22:33.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:33.19 | mewyn | hehe |
| 22:33.26 | mewyn | but /i/ haven;t heard them :) |
| 22:33.28 | Twiun | surely we could use 'DVD Jon' in Norway? it's not as if he could be in any deeper shit :) |
| 22:33.33 | kergoth | ibot: tell mewyn about logs |
| 22:33.46 | treke | who the fuck is DVD Jon |
| 22:33.55 | mewyn | logs? i'm /far/ too lazy for that :) |
| 22:34.10 | Twiun | treke: that kid in norway that 'cracked' decss |
| 22:34.26 | Twiun | treke: the one being dragged through the courts |
| 22:34.36 | treke | ah fuck him |
| 22:34.43 | mewyn | the evil hacker |
| 22:34.44 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:34.53 | treke | not like he's ever done anyting for us |
| 22:35.23 | Twiun | but surely he could, eh? |
| 22:38.07 | warmi | mewyn: you just can't stand these DMCA/recoding industry/CEO's folks right ? |
| 22:38.09 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:38.29 | mewyn | nope |
| 22:38.29 | warmi | they are doing what you would be doing if you were in their shoes ... |
| 22:38.44 | mewyn | nah |
| 22:38.52 | mewyn | i wouldn't do any of that shit |
| 22:39.03 | mewyn | i'd give a positve public outlook for my company |
| 22:39.30 | mewyn | and i would not force legislation on something that clearly is a problem with my busniess model |
| 22:39.50 | warmi | what we talking about here is a long standing US tradition of lobbying representatives to get the best possible deal for your own company/industry whatever ... |
| 22:40.11 | warmi | everybody does it |
| 22:40.19 | mewyn | i don't thing government should be for the corporation. it should be for the people |
| 22:40.19 | warmi | some are just more sucesfull than the others |
| 22:40.37 | warmi | corporations are people - they employee millions of people |
| 22:40.57 | mewyn | coporations are more than the sum of their parts |
| 22:41.16 | mewyn | and corps can be good, or evil. |
| 22:42.04 | warmi | I am just playing Devil's advocate here - I do think that in case of DMCA the companies are actually going to hurt themselves in a long run |
| 22:42.29 | mewyn | just most of the recording industries are too out for themselves and not giving enough to their paying customers |
| 22:42.47 | noidd | all companies are in it for their shareholders |
| 22:42.58 | noidd | if they are not, they can be sued by their shareholders |
| 22:43.09 | noidd | in more blatent cases, they can go to jail |
| 22:43.25 | warmi | mewyn: well, you know these things work - as long as they dont manage to have goverment protect their monopoly - someone more with touch with reality will come along and push them out of the market |
| 22:43.34 | warmi | that's how it works in a market economy |
| 22:44.25 | nofpu | did someone mention pancakes? :) |
| 22:44.52 | warmi | I mean that is precisely what happen to US auto industry ... they got out of touch with reality and got spanked |
| 22:45.14 | kergoth | mm pancakes |
| 22:45.28 | KhensU | I get pancakes for dinner |
| 22:46.05 | warmi | thank god Reagan refused to grant them monopoly in a form of market protection (tarrifs etc ) - otherwise you would still be driving 70s style piece of crap from Detroid |
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| 22:49.12 | mewyn | yah, but there is no competition amongst the lables in the music industry |
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| 22:49.35 | warmi | what you need is somone new ... |
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| 22:51.08 | warmi | time for my train |
| 22:51.10 | warmi | see you |
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| 23:09.17 | bobbyd | hi |
| 23:09.49 | bobbyd | i was here earlier and someone posted a url where you can buy a sl-c700 direct from japan |
| 23:09.52 | bobbyd | does anyone know it |
| 23:09.57 | bobbyd | ? |
| 23:10.04 | kergoth | shop.conics.net |
| 23:10.11 | bobbyd | ahh cool |
| 23:10.12 | bobbyd | ;) |
| 23:20.42 | bobbyd | well |
| 23:20.51 | bobbyd | i just ordered a sl-c700 ;) |
| 23:21.24 | bobbyd | i'll try to help with the porting of OZ to it if there's anything i can do... |
| 23:21.41 | kergoth | bobbyd: not much needs doing other than the keyboard mess, and I'm in the middle of fixing that now |
| 23:21.50 | kergoth | TS already works, and the base nonopie OZ images are available right now |
| 23:22.10 | bobbyd | cool ;) |
| 23:22.34 | bobbyd | kergoth: do you have one? |
| 23:22.44 | kergoth | yep, for a while anyway |
| 23:22.47 | bobbyd | what's the build quality like? |
| 23:22.52 | kergoth | dynamism lent me one to assist in their conversion |
| 23:22.55 | kergoth | its very very nice |
| 23:22.58 | kergoth | the hardware is impressive |
| 23:23.03 | bobbyd | great ;) |
| 23:23.05 | kergoth | the software sucks, but i'm on that ;) |
| 23:23.13 | bobbyd | how is the screen? |
| 23:23.17 | kergoth | very very impressive |
| 23:23.21 | bobbyd | mmmmmm |
| 23:23.23 | kergoth | really sharp |
| 23:23.26 | bobbyd | (sic) |
| 23:23.35 | kergoth | and in horizontal mode w/ the keyboard, its a full 80x30 terminal in console mode |
| 23:23.39 | kergoth | you can run any console app reasonably |
| 23:23.43 | bobbyd | cool |
| 23:23.46 | bobbyd | it's very nice |
| 23:23.48 | kergoth | i was running irssi earlier to irc from it |
| 23:23.57 | bobbyd | how's the keyboard? |
| 23:24.05 | kergoth | not bad, takes a lil getting used ot |
| 23:24.06 | kergoth | to |
| 23:24.17 | bobbyd | the configuration? or the keys? |
| 23:24.24 | kergoth | when you hold it in your hands, you type with thmbs, but when its on a table, more with the pointer fingers |
| 23:24.33 | kergoth | config isnt a prob, just physically takes getting used to |
| 23:24.44 | treke | kergoth: what do you use when its on the floor? |
| 23:24.48 | kergoth | liek the key mapping is different than the 5000d/5500, need to get used to what key combinations get you what keys |
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| 23:25.02 | kergoth | treke: a foot? |
| 23:25.04 | kergoth | yo _Psycho |
| 23:25.07 | _Psycho | heya |
| 23:25.08 | _Psycho | back from stone |
| 23:25.10 | _Psycho | store* |
| 23:25.23 | _Psycho | bought a card reader a linksys CF, and a linksys AP :) |
| 23:27.14 | _Psycho | kergoth, think the wireless should work on that OZ i flashed on my c700 ? |
| 23:27.42 | bobbyd | ok hanks guys |
| 23:27.46 | mewyn | never! muhahahahhahaha |
| 23:28.06 | kergoth | _Psycho: it should, it hasnt been tested |
| 23:28.15 | kergoth | _Psycho: edit /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts and give it a try :) |
| 23:28.29 | mewyn | kergoth: have you gotten a wifi network yet? |
| 23:28.31 | _Psycho | will try later, they not even uppacked ;) |
| 23:29.10 | kergoth | mewyn: not at home yet.. i have that magnia firewall, just need to get it loaded with a distro that doesnt suck, and plug in a pcmcia wifi card |
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| 23:40.11 | sukoSleep | byeČ |
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| 23:49.26 | fredmj | hi there... |
| 23:50.32 | fredmj | why i have 2 dir /etc in ROM sharp? |
| 23:51.28 | fredmj | Ooops .. it's alink ...ok sorry for my question... |