| 00:02.04 | ccamp | whats the gripe with syntax in perl? |
| 00:02.10 | kergoth | .. |
| 00:02.24 | kergoth | perl syntax is incredibly flexible |
| 00:02.29 | kergoth | as a result, you can format it any way you like |
| 00:02.33 | kergoth | which often leads to unreadable code later on |
| 00:02.41 | ccamp | ahh |
| 00:02.42 | ccamp | gotcha |
| 00:02.43 | kergoth | python's syntax is highly defined, not as flexible |
| 00:02.50 | ccamp | yeah.. ok |
| 00:03.30 | ccamp | im a perl kid, and never touched python before.. so i was just wondering |
| 00:03.43 | kergoth | same here, as of a few weeks ago |
| 00:03.48 | kergoth | i keep ending my python lines in ; |
| 00:03.49 | ccamp | nice |
| 00:03.52 | kergoth | driving me nuts |
| 00:03.56 | ccamp | haha yah |
| 00:03.59 | phoen][x | most perl devs find it somewhat funny to compress their whole program to one line of code. that cant happen in python. |
| 00:04.03 | ccamp | i do tha tin ksh now at work |
| 00:04.04 | ccamp | it sucks |
| 00:04.11 | kergoth | yeah, exactly |
| 00:04.18 | kergoth | newlines and whitespace have meaning |
| 00:04.21 | kergoth | unlike perl |
| 00:04.32 | phoen][x | unlike any other language i know |
| 00:04.40 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:04.44 | kergoth | that too :) |
| 00:07.38 | George- | bah, teambuilder isn't working |
| 00:09.15 | ljp | read the`instructions |
| 00:09.44 | ljp | run tbdaemon on each, tbscheduler on the faster one |
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| 00:10.10 | George- | ljp: yeh, tbdaemon refused to locate my scheduler ;) |
| 00:10.17 | George- | ljp: I've forced it to use a particular IP :) |
| 00:14.17 | George- | ljp: how do I force tbmonitor to connect to scheduler x.x.x.x? |
| 00:14.25 | George- | ljp: I can't find anything in the docs |
| 00:24.40 | Neo|Work | Eeek: http://www.purplepecker.com/adult/main.htm |
| 00:24.56 | Neo|Work | check out the models at the bottom for this adult tile set for the uhm, tile game. :P |
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| 00:27.56 | George- | Neo|Work: there are young people in the channel! such as me! |
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| 00:28.33 | gtr | it's half past one Neo|work ;-) AM |
| 00:31.35 | hardwire | tempted to bring in the bamboo boken today |
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| 00:33.31 | Neo|Work | George-: dude, it'd scare anyone regardless of work |
| 00:33.34 | Neo|Work | s/work/age/ |
| 00:33.37 | Neo|Work | silly typo |
| 00:33.50 | George- | hehe |
| 00:56.52 | George- | g'nite |
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| 01:34.04 | krezel | I really shouldn't be getting drunk tonight, yet I am... |
| 01:34.55 | gtr | Skol |
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| 01:58.56 | Zarchon | Hey ccamp, you were intereseted in getting a host usb adapter for your zaurus? |
| 02:00.01 | Zarchon | ccamp: http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/cfu1u.html claims to be a CF-> usb host adapter. they say it works on ipaqs. |
| 02:00.02 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 02:00.02 | TheMasterMind1 | where |
| 02:00.50 | TheMasterMind1 | doubt itll work in linux so easily |
| 02:01.14 | Zarchon | dunno |
| 02:01.22 | Zarchon | a driver could probably be hacked together |
| 02:02.15 | ||ugh | We REALLY want that CF-2-USB card working in OZ! |
| 02:05.46 | ||ugh | Yeiks, $139.00 USD and you only get USB 1.1 What the? |
| 02:06.05 | Zarchon | February 12th, 2003: The CFU1U should be available next month for an undisclosed price. |
| 02:06.15 | Zarchon | vaporware, perhaps... |
| 02:06.21 | Zarchon | http://www.brighthand.com/article/USB_CompactFlash_Card_In_Development |
| 02:09.24 | Zarchon | sigh |
| 02:09.46 | Zarchon | does anything interesting even use USB 1.1 anymore? |
| 02:13.45 | treke | Zarchon: yes |
| 02:20.06 | Zarchon_zzzz | Time to sleep. |
| 02:20.17 | ccamp | same here bro |
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| 02:22.22 | ccamp | + |
| 02:22.42 | hobbs | I've never seen sig say anything -- he only ever signs off. :) |
| 02:22.46 | hobbs | And, for once, on. :) |
| 02:22.54 | sig | heh |
| 02:23.01 | sig | hobbs: I said something |
| 02:23.05 | hobbs | oh. Hi sig. ;) |
| 02:23.09 | hobbs | you sure did. |
| 02:23.09 | sig | I don't have many questions |
| 02:23.30 | hobbs | disown sig |
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| 02:28.18 | mutexer | ibot Zaurus Software Index |
| 02:28.19 | | extra, extra, read all about it, zaurus software index is at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 02:28.20 | qutopia009 | i have a question what is the C700 and B500? |
| 02:29.05 | gtr | c700 is the japaneese model, B500 i dunno know |
| 02:29.31 | qutopia009 | is the SL5500 related to them in anyway? |
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| 02:29.56 | warmi | re |
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| 02:30.27 | hobbs | rehi warmi |
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| 02:35.01 | warmi | today at work I was too busy to follow irc too closely but I cought a corner of my eye some discussion about ditching Qtopia for OZ and replacing it with X ? |
| 02:35.18 | warmi | is that what's in store for OPIE/OZ ? |
| 02:35.48 | hobbs | Hope not. That would make it so not special. :) |
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| 02:36.36 | kergoth | warmi: someone asked if i intended to switch to the use of Opie-on-X11 as the primary GUI |
| 02:36.57 | kergoth | warmi: the answer was that a feed of said packages would be available, but that its not likely it would replace opie-on-fb in roms as shipped |
| 02:36.57 | ljp | and?!? |
| 02:37.06 | warmi | uh .. how's performance of X server on the Z ? |
| 02:37.14 | warmi | is it comparable to framebuffer / |
| 02:37.17 | hobbs | kergoth: yeah, I can see that being useful, but not for default. :) |
| 02:37.17 | warmi | ? |
| 02:37.44 | kergoth | ask treke or one of hte other ipaq folks that've used both X and opie |
| 02:37.54 | kergoth | I havent played with X on the Z much |
| 02:38.14 | hobbs | It definitely can't be _as_ fast. Comparable, i wouldn't know. |
| 02:38.44 | kergoth | well theres definately less layers involved with opie->qte->fb |
| 02:39.14 | warmi | well, of course we are not talking about running things like Motif on top of xintristic and xlib > xserver ;-) |
| 02:39.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:39.29 | warmi | but I wonder how gtk is working on Z using whatever X server is available |
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| 02:39.33 | warmi | I will have to ask treke |
| 02:39.57 | warmi | hey .. I know there is Java based X server available for Linux |
| 02:40.05 | warmi | I wonder how THAT would run on the Z .. |
| 02:40.08 | warmi | uhh |
| 02:40.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:40.40 | kergoth | ~lart warmi |
| 02:41.04 | kergoth | use Xvnc with the opie vnc server if you need a hackish X :) |
| 02:41.11 | warmi | well, you know - Java is hot these days . |
| 02:41.13 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:41.32 | warmi | some are even talking about Java native CPUs .. |
| 02:41.52 | warmi | one hell of a language if you need native CPU support to make it perform reasonably :-) |
| 02:42.00 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 02:47.47 | finkployd | kergoth: Quick question about OZ3.1rc2, I have a Linksys WCF11 card and I installed the hostap-modules from the unstable feed but it still does not recognize the card |
| 02:47.56 | finkployd | anything else I have to do? |
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| 02:50.45 | kergoth | finkployd: reboot after installing hostap-modules. |
| 02:51.04 | finkployd | did that |
| 02:51.06 | finkployd | still no luck |
| 02:51.17 | kergoth | then its something else in your environment |
| 02:51.22 | kergoth | i have numerous reports of success |
| 02:51.31 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:53.07 | finkployd | it is a fresh install |
| 02:53.45 | finkployd | huh |
| 02:53.51 | finkployd | i tried it a second time and it worked |
| 02:54.01 | finkployd | odd, but good enough for me :) |
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| 03:13.40 | mutexer | Anyone done any SDL with the Z? |
| 03:14.55 | hobbs | some. But my code rarely worked. :) |
| 03:17.48 | mutexer | do you have to use QT at all? |
| 03:17.54 | hobbs | yes. |
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| 03:18.05 | mencken | anyone using X with ice if so is it worth the switch |
| 03:18.10 | mutexer | crap.. was hoping to get around the license |
| 03:18.10 | hobbs | You need to construct a QApplication. You don't, however, have to do anything with it. |
| 03:18.45 | mutexer | Ill have to GPL the entire program for that small bit of QT...might as well use QT |
| 03:20.33 | ljp | get the qtopia commercial license |
| 03:24.09 | warmi | mutexer: Qtopia license is only like $140 or so |
| 03:24.31 | warmi | we are not talking here qt license which is around $1500 or so |
| 03:26.04 | mutexer | yeah but my first game didnt even make enough to pay that :) |
| 03:26.16 | mutexer | Ill probably just release under the GPL again |
| 03:26.23 | toad__ | what game? |
| 03:26.26 | toad__ | URL? |
| 03:27.28 | mutexer | http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=C4FF7AEB9ACD6BC3BC72DD8642AE74A5&productId=44382&optionId=1_9_2&productType=2&catalog=80&txtSearch=The+Hunter+Project§ionId=0&platformId=9 |
| 03:27.35 | mutexer | I know why it didnt sell well though |
| 03:27.44 | mutexer | gonna fix those problems with my next one |
| 03:27.54 | mutexer | I mainly did the first one to get the Zaurus I have |
| 03:29.11 | warmi | just 8 downloads .... |
| 03:29.16 | warmi | did you offer a demo version ? |
| 03:29.23 | mutexer | nope |
| 03:29.28 | mutexer | thats one of the mistakes |
| 03:29.36 | mutexer | nothing to go on but the 1 pic |
| 03:30.05 | warmi | yeah, shoudl have put the demo version on killefiz as well |
| 03:31.01 | mutexer | I plan to make a demo for my new game |
| 03:31.01 | warmi | you know, Zaurus doesn't exactly have a huge user base but still, 8 downloads is awfully low |
| 03:31.07 | warmi | got to ofer a demo .. |
| 03:31.11 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:31.35 | warmi | what is it going to be ? |
| 03:31.38 | mutexer | the source code to the old one is a mess..it runs a tad slow too... it was my first time making a game for a PDA..as well as my first time using QT... Ive learned a lot since then |
| 03:31.40 | warmi | or is that a secret .. ? |
| 03:31.41 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:31.53 | ljp | did you put that on zsi? |
| 03:31.56 | mutexer | gonna be a sidescroller game.. like sonic the hedgehog or mario |
| 03:32.01 | mutexer | yeah |
| 03:32.08 | treke|ho2e | hey warmi |
| 03:32.22 | warmi | that sounds cool but you won't be able to pull anything more complicated (graphically) with just Qtopie |
| 03:32.27 | mutexer | sidescroller fun game should appeal to more people than a scifi rpg too |
| 03:32.39 | warmi | treke|ho2e: yeah ... was going to ask you .... how's X performance on the ZAurus ? |
| 03:32.46 | treke|ho2e | warmi: dunno. |
| 03:32.49 | warmi | comparable to framebuffer + qpe ? |
| 03:32.53 | treke|ho2e | I'd need a zaurus :) |
| 03:33.08 | warmi | uh .. ok, ipaq then :-) |
| 03:33.17 | treke|ho2e | ipaq I'd say its comparable |
| 03:33.26 | treke|ho2e | qtopia is a bit snappier |
| 03:33.28 | warmi | ipaq is slower than zaurus |
| 03:33.43 | treke|ho2e | I'd believe it |
| 03:33.44 | warmi | I kid you not I did tests and it appears to be about 30 % slower ( memory access) |
| 03:34.11 | treke|ho2e | I've heard similar things many times |
| 03:34.13 | warmi | my asm code ( the very same code) runs about 30 slower on my ipaq - both using cachable main memory for testing |
| 03:34.17 | warmi | strange but true |
| 03:34.18 | kergoth | warmi: ack |
| 03:34.34 | warmi | 30 % of course |
| 03:34.37 | treke|ho2e | warmi: is that in linux or wince? |
| 03:34.37 | warmi | not 30 times :-) |
| 03:34.41 | warmi | wince |
| 03:34.46 | warmi | but that's asm - it doesn't matter |
| 03:35.03 | treke|ho2e | either way, I've heard the same thing from people who switched to the zaurus |
| 03:35.29 | warmi | has to be some sort of memory timings or something like that |
| 03:35.49 | treke|ho2e | warmi: I think its 3800 specific |
| 03:36.24 | warmi | could very well be |
| 03:36.29 | warmi | that's the only ipaq I have |
| 03:36.41 | mewyn` | anyone ever see "Penn & Teller's Bullshit!"? |
| 03:36.54 | treke|ho2e | I've heard similar things from people who upgraded to a 3800 from a 3600 and noticed a slow down |
| 03:37.08 | treke|ho2e | when my 3630 gets here, maybe I'll try it |
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| 03:38.10 | treke|ho2e | man this is gonna be a long weekend waiting for it:) |
| 03:38.26 | toad__ | anyone used 802.11 with zaurus? |
| 03:39.05 | warmi | what happend to it ? |
| 03:39.12 | warmi | or is a new one ? |
| 03:39.16 | treke|ho2e | new one from ebay |
| 03:39.20 | warmi | ah ok |
| 03:39.54 | treke|ho2e | going to become my oz machine so I can go back to using my 3800 as a pda :) |
| 03:40.55 | kergoth | hehe, see what happens when you hack on distributions? |
| 03:41.14 | treke|ho2e | kergoth: I dont know how you've done it for so long :) |
| 03:42.18 | kergoth | vi ~/TODO is my PIM |
| 03:42.19 | kergoth | eheh |
| 03:42.33 | treke|ho2e | eheh |
| 03:42.46 | warmi | how much did you pay for it ? |
| 03:42.55 | treke|ho2e | 150 for it plus some extras |
| 03:43.05 | warmi | uhh .. cheap |
| 03:43.16 | warmi | btw .. new Dell PDAs are dirty cheap |
| 03:43.24 | warmi | does any sort of Linux run on them yet ? |
| 03:43.27 | kergoth | not yet |
| 03:43.30 | kergoth | need dell cooperation |
| 03:43.59 | warmi | HP was relatively nice, I wonder if Dell will give a damn at all about Linux |
| 03:44.02 | warmi | on their PDAs |
| 03:44.12 | treke|ho2e | warmi: yeah, pretty cheap, but as long as the thing boots it works for. Can be scratched to hell and have a dead battery for all I care :) |
| 03:45.51 | warmi | well, you know - new axim ( or whatever it is called) which are 300 MHZ Xscale based go for about $230 |
| 03:46.11 | warmi | that's not all that much than 150 you paid and it is a new and faster (theoretically ) PDA |
| 03:47.49 | treke|ho2e | warmi: except I didnt spend 150 for a new fast pda |
| 03:48.02 | treke|ho2e | I spent 150 so I'd have a cheap ipaq I could use for the OZ-ipaq port |
| 03:49.32 | effy-kun | why is the #oracle channel so dead? heh |
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| 03:50.52 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:50.57 | jbwiv | hey guys. Anyone know when/what kernel usbnet for the Z is supposed to be released? Thanks (getting reaaaaaal sick of usbdnet ;)). |
| 03:51.05 | kergoth | jbwiv: its in 2.4.21-pre |
| 03:51.09 | kergoth | jbwiv: so whenever 2.4.21 releases |
| 03:51.11 | hobbs | jbwiv: it's in 2.4.21pre*, so it'll be in 21. :) |
| 03:51.15 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 03:51.17 | treke|ho2e | that and I wouldnt want to get a pda unless I knew it was going to run my preferred environment :) |
| 03:51.48 | jbwiv | thanks. |
| 03:51.54 | jbwiv | have you tried it out? Better? |
| 03:52.05 | warmi | treke|ho2e: I gather it is not CE then ;-) |
| 03:52.12 | treke|ho2e | nope :) |
| 03:52.35 | treke|ho2e | wasnt too impressed when I installed CE on my ipaq |
| 03:53.20 | treke|ho2e | had some cool features, but overall it was just ok |
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| 03:53.59 | warmi | ipaq pisses me off |
| 03:54.09 | warmi | it turns light off on its own |
| 03:54.19 | warmi | and then it turns it back when it feels like |
| 03:54.28 | warmi | I disabled everything I could disable and it still does that |
| 03:54.55 | warmi | I will start my pda and switch even ligth setting to full and it would just sit there |
| 03:55.09 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:55.11 | warmi | you would have to repeat that like 3-4 times and then ,perhaps, it would start working |
| 03:55.46 | warmi | that's all under CE of course |
| 03:55.54 | warmi | I read somewhere that this was a bug specific to ipaq |
| 03:56.15 | treke|ho2e | its surprising how popular the ipaq is with all the ipaq/ce bugs |
| 03:56.19 | warmi | but I flashed the BIOS with the latest version and it still happens |
| 03:56.21 | warmi | yeah, I guess |
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| 04:00.33 | mewyn` | that show is awesome |
| 04:00.42 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:01.36 | mewyn` | penn & teller's bullshit! |
| 04:03.34 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:04.24 | treke|ho2e | penn and teller on tv? |
| 04:04.49 | mewyn` | showtime |
| 04:05.13 | treke|ho2e | hmmm. dont get that |
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| 04:27.11 | toad_ | I've got usbnet working... what interface line do I need to network with the zaurus? |
| 04:27.23 | toad_ | netmask etc? |
| 04:27.30 | toad_ | I can't disconnect the LAN... |
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| 04:32.13 | toad_ | how do I transfer files? there was something about an FTP server? |
| 04:32.31 | toad_ | port 4242, password rootme? But port 4242 does not respond to TCP... |
| 04:33.08 | kergoth | toad_: what rom? |
| 04:34.12 | treke|ho2e | toad_: Its only going to work ove your usb cradle |
| 04:34.38 | toad_ | the default |
| 04:34.41 | toad_ | it is in the usb cradle |
| 04:34.55 | toad_ | it is responding to ping, so it's there |
| 04:35.04 | kergoth | toad_: sharp rom, recent versions, yoiu must have obtained the desktop usb interface ip from dhcp |
| 04:36.24 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 04:36.34 | toad_ | so I put iface usb0 inet dhcp |
| 04:36.40 | toad_ | in my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:36.48 | toad_ | and do ifconfig usb0 down; ifconfig usb0 up |
| 04:37.02 | toad_ | it gets the right address, but doesn't say anything about USB, and still doesn't work... |
| 04:37.06 | kergoth | um |
| 04:37.09 | kergoth | ifconfig doesnt obey interfaces |
| 04:37.16 | kergoth | ifdown usb0; ifup usb0; will do the Right Thing |
| 04:38.00 | toad_ | okay |
| 04:38.02 | toad_ | done that |
| 04:38.08 | toad_ | it pings, it still gets connection refused |
| 04:38.10 | kergoth | okay, and .. |
| 04:38.14 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:38.34 | toad_ | on port 4242 |
| 04:38.39 | kergoth | no idea then, I havent played with sharp in 6 months.. maybe someone else knows |
| 04:39.03 | toad_ | Port State Service |
| 04:39.04 | toad_ | 9/tcp open discard |
| 04:39.04 | toad_ | 13/tcp open daytime |
| 04:39.04 | toad_ | 22/tcp open ssh |
| 04:39.04 | toad_ | 25/tcp open smtp |
| 04:39.04 | toad_ | 37/tcp open time |
| 04:39.06 | toad_ | 68/tcp open dhcpclient |
| 04:39.08 | toad_ | 79/tcp open finger |
| 04:39.10 | toad_ | 111/tcp open sunrpc |
| 04:39.12 | toad_ | 113/tcp open auth |
| 04:39.14 | toad_ | 781/tcp open hp-collector |
| 04:39.16 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 04:39.31 | toad_ | refuses connection on ssh |
| 04:39.47 | kergoth | probably need to install ssh |
| 04:39.52 | kergoth | since sharp doesnt include it out of the box |
| 04:40.57 | toad_ | so why is the port open? |
| 04:41.27 | toad_ | anyway, how do I transfer files? |
| 04:42.27 | toad_ | I'd prefer to be able to do it from a command line... |
| 04:42.38 | toad_ | on the PC |
| 04:49.48 | Shdwdrgn | I found Hancom's site for Z users to download the ipk's today... but is there a similar site to get an ipk for opera? I've never been able to get the one I created to work correctly (opera starts, but no buttons on toolbar) |
| 04:50.52 | kergoth | Shdwdrgn: oz 3.0? |
| 04:50.58 | Shdwdrgn | yes, rc2 |
| 04:51.03 | Shdwdrgn | no |
| 04:51.06 | Shdwdrgn | 3.1 rc2 |
| 04:56.24 | Shdwdrgn | any suggestions on getting it to work? |
| 04:56.54 | kergoth | not offhand |
| 04:57.19 | Shdwdrgn | bummer |
| 05:00.35 | toad_ | : undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)' |
| 05:00.36 | toad_ | qutfcodec.o(.text+0x2ae): In function `QUtf16Codec::makeEncoder() const': |
| 05:00.36 | toad_ | : undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)' |
| 05:00.36 | toad_ | qutfcodec.o(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZN10QUtf8CodecD0Ev+0x21): In function `QUtf8Codec::~QUtf8Codec [in-charge deleting]()': |
| 05:00.36 | toad_ | : undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)' |
| 05:00.37 | toad_ | qutfcodec.o(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZN11QUtf16CodecD0Ev+0x21): In function `QUtf16Codec |
| 05:00.39 | toad_ | etc etc etc |
| 05:00.56 | toad_ | qtopia needs qt-embedded. qt-embedded gets this bullshit |
| 05:01.11 | toad_ | there is of course no package for qtopia |
| 05:01.28 | kergoth | why building qtopia? |
| 05:01.33 | kergoth | hardly worth bothering with |
| 05:02.53 | toad_ | what do you suggest I use? |
| 05:03.05 | kergoth | first |
| 05:03.07 | kergoth | why are you building it? |
| 05:04.26 | toad_ | why are the RPMs 4.5 times bigger than the source? |
| 05:05.03 | toad_ | the RPMs are 20MB |
| 05:05.07 | toad_ | 27MB |
| 05:05.54 | toad_ | the source is ~ 7MB |
| 05:06.04 | toad_ | 4 times :) |
| 05:06.14 | kergoth | hey dont ask me |
| 05:06.22 | kergoth | its sharp/lineo |
| 05:06.24 | kergoth | you expect sanity? |
| 05:06.32 | toad_ | no, it's trolltech actually |
| 05:06.42 | toad_ | qtopia is trolltech |
| 05:07.03 | kergoth | i know qtopia is trolltech |
| 05:07.09 | kergoth | ddidnt know thats wher eyou got the rpms from |
| 05:07.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:08.09 | kergoth | regardless |
| 05:08.12 | kergoth | let me rephrase |
| 05:08.15 | kergoth | *ahem* |
| 05:08.36 | kergoth | its trolltech, you expect sanity? |
| 05:08.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:08.42 | toad_ | :) |
| 05:09.12 | kergoth | trolltech is great at some things |
| 05:09.15 | toad_ | anyway, I download the RPMs. then I alien them. then I dpkg -i them. |
| 05:09.16 | kergoth | qtopia isnt one of them |
| 05:09.19 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:09.35 | toad_ | is it just the one rpm? |
| 05:09.41 | toad_ | qtopia-free-1.6.0-beta5-1.i386.rpm |
| 05:09.54 | kergoth | iirc.. |
| 05:10.01 | kergoth | i dont use the sdk myself, but i remember it being one rpm, yea |
| 05:10.17 | toad_ | qtopia is the sdk? |
| 05:10.23 | kergoth | .. |
| 05:10.39 | kergoth | well thats a x86 rpm, i dunno what else it would be. |
| 05:15.04 | toad_ | alienning... |
| 05:19.03 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 05:19.09 | toad_ | looks like it was the wrong package |
| 05:20.49 | toad_ | or perhaps not... |
| 05:20.54 | weez | kergoth: still have a C700? |
| 05:21.22 | weez | kergoth: I noticed a really annoying thing :) |
| 05:22.46 | toad_ | I'd like to actually use it before I try to develop on it... _how do I transfer a file_ ? :) |
| 05:22.54 | weez | When I set it on my desk, it doesnt sit perfectly flat - like a table with one of the legs shorter |
| 05:23.00 | weez | heh |
| 05:23.45 | kergoth | lol.. i never noticed that |
| 05:24.33 | kergoth | seems flat to me. but maybe i'm not seeing something |
| 05:24.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:25.46 | toad_ | http://zaurus.showportal.net/faq.html - just use FTP. Yeah right. |
| 05:26.30 | kergoth | or you could install oZ |
| 05:26.32 | kergoth | and scp your files over |
| 05:26.33 | kergoth | :D |
| 05:27.16 | treke|ho2e | too bad oz sucks |
| 05:27.57 | mspencer | ...for certain definitions of 'sucks' ^__^ |
| 05:28.43 | weez | hmmm |
| 05:28.49 | weez | maybe my desk is bent |
| 05:29.09 | weez | Ill go try it on another table... |
| 05:30.09 | kergoth | weez: hehe |
| 05:32.45 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 05:34.58 | mspencer | Well, my first experiment in soldering went pretty well. Since my aux battery pack project only requires soldering wires on wires...I think a beginner can do this. :) |
| 05:35.24 | mspencer | I'm doing a step-by-step page with pictures and whatnot -- do you think I should have a section on 'how to solder'? |
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| 05:38.36 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 05:38.54 | toad_ | so it's gonna take me a year or two to get my zaurus transferring files from linux? |
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| 05:39.17 | mspencer | depends on how fast you can learn to use samba ^__^ |
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| 05:39.40 | toad_ | samba? it has SMB open? |
| 05:39.51 | toad_ | or it reads SMB? |
| 05:40.14 | mspencer | Yeah. mount -t smbfs -o username=____,password=______,ip=11.22.33.44 //zaurusmachinename/sharename /mnt/zaurus |
| 05:41.22 | toad_ | smbclient -L //192.168.129.201 |
| 05:41.27 | toad_ | Connection to 192.168.129.201 failed |
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| 05:41.47 | toad_ | the Sync panel under Network says that's its ip address |
| 05:41.58 | kergoth | can you _ping_? |
| 05:41.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:42.18 | toad_ | yes |
| 05:42.26 | kergoth | so whats the problem? |
| 05:42.46 | kergoth | do you have a cf reader? |
| 05:42.58 | toad_ | I don't think so |
| 05:43.06 | toad_ | I have it plugged into the docking station |
| 05:43.19 | toad_ | which is attached to the PC. usbnet is working, I can ping |
| 05:43.28 | kergoth | yes i understand that |
| 05:43.30 | toad_ | but I can't do anything else |
| 05:43.34 | kergoth | its just refusing your ftp connection |
| 05:43.38 | kergoth | right? |
| 05:43.40 | kergoth | on 4242 |
| 05:43.42 | toad_ | it refuses FTP, SMB and SSH |
| 05:43.51 | toad_ | it refuses FTP on 4242, specifically, yeah |
| 05:43.54 | kergoth | connection refused, or immediately disconnected by remote host? |
| 05:44.02 | toad_ | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 05:44.22 | toad_ | # telnet 192.168.129.201 4242 |
| 05:44.22 | toad_ | Trying 192.168.129.201... |
| 05:44.22 | toad_ | Connected to 192.168.129.201. |
| 05:44.22 | toad_ | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 05:44.22 | toad_ | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 05:44.23 | kergoth | and what rom version? |
| 05:44.23 | kergoth | look in sysinfo |
| 05:44.23 | kergoth | aha |
| 05:44.23 | kergoth | thats what i figured |
| 05:44.23 | kergoth | you are using dhcp right? |
| 05:44.28 | kergoth | whats the desktop's ip? |
| 05:44.31 | toad_ | yeah |
| 05:45.27 | toad_ | rom 2.39 |
| 05:45.32 | kergoth | lets just say the sharp rom sucks |
| 05:45.32 | kergoth | go buy a cheap usb or pcmcia cf reader and install OZ |
| 05:45.32 | mspencer | what firewall rules does the Z have set? (iptables -L) |
| 05:45.32 | kergoth | :D |
| 05:45.32 | kergoth | mspencer: none. |
| 05:45.32 | kergoth | mspencer: it doesnt even include the iptables modules by default |
| 05:45.32 | mspencer | hmm...OK... |
| 05:45.32 | kergoth | mspencer: it doesnt even include the iptables modules by default |
| 05:45.36 | kergoth | er, wrong window |
| 05:45.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:45.39 | toad_ | desktop is 192.168.129.1 |
| 05:45.41 | kergoth | damn up/enter |
| 05:48.31 | toad_ | do all compactflash readers work with linux? |
| 05:49.28 | kergoth | n |
| 05:49.39 | hardwire | o |
| 05:49.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:49.47 | kergoth | p |
| 05:49.48 | kergoth | damnit |
| 05:50.07 | toad_ | if not, which ones do? |
| 05:50.11 | kergoth | hardwire: go look at openembedded.org sometime |
| 05:50.14 | kergoth | toad_: most do |
| 05:51.21 | kergoth | toad_: i have a sandisk reader myself |
| 05:51.48 | toad_ | hmm, the manufacturer's web site requires flash |
| 05:51.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:52.14 | toad_ | yeah, but it doesn't say who made it |
| 05:52.23 | toad_ | it's Dazzle, but no way to tell what chipset |
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| 06:00.29 | toad_ | if I upgrade to openzaurus, will I lose opera? is there a good free replacement? |
| 06:01.05 | kergoth | you can build an opera package from the sharp rom |
| 06:01.18 | kergoth | or you can used konqueror/embedded |
| 06:01.43 | toad_ | how good is konqueror/embedded? |
| 06:01.54 | kergoth | its nice, though large |
| 06:02.02 | toad_ | much larger than opera? |
| 06:02.09 | kergoth | dunno how large opera is |
| 06:02.22 | kergoth | i havnet used a sharp rom in some time |
| 06:02.47 | toad_ | and I can upgrade the storage to be huuuge with CF cards... but the RAM will always be 64M, right? |
| 06:03.00 | kergoth | yes |
| 06:03.09 | kergoth | and you can upgrade storage with sd/mmc as well |
| 06:03.15 | toad_ | but konqy wouldn't be in ram when not being used |
| 06:03.18 | kergoth | sharp rom only uses 32mb of the 64mb ram as ram. |
| 06:03.20 | kergoth | yes |
| 06:03.32 | kergoth | it would be using storage, thats what i mean when i say its large |
| 06:03.57 | toad_ | ahh, well that i can live with. 256M of CF is only $100 |
| 06:04.13 | kergoth | yep |
| 06:04.15 | kergoth | er |
| 06:04.19 | kergoth | oops |
| 06:04.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:04.31 | kergoth | this box has a weird bug. periodically it hangs for 15-30 seconds |
| 06:04.34 | kergoth | includign keyboard input |
| 06:04.36 | kergoth | its driving me nuts |
| 06:04.46 | kergoth | say once every 5 minutes it hangs for abit |
| 06:04.47 | kergoth | grr |
| 06:05.01 | ljp | lineo kernel? |
| 06:05.07 | kergoth | heh, stock 2.4.20 :) |
| 06:05.11 | toad_ | okay, good luck with whatever you end up doing today, i gotta zzzz |
| 06:05.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:08.56 | ljp | I wonder if qtopia will stick with embedix |
| 06:12.17 | kergoth | heh, i hope not |
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| 06:20.38 | ljp | what else is out there? |
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| 06:22.08 | mikey-mmth | hello all |
| 06:22.20 | ljp | hi |
| 06:23.18 | mikey-mmth | Im curious how the Zaurus functions on Linux systems. Everything I have seen talks about linking with Windows. |
| 06:23.39 | mikey-mmth | Will it sync with various linux apps |
| 06:24.31 | Vhalros | qtopiadesktop will sync with it on linux, and there is software to get it to sync with Evolution and Kmail. |
| 06:24.41 | Vhalros | Dunno much beyond that. |
| 06:24.52 | ljp | depends on the aps. shoudl sync with qtopiadesktop and kitchensync |
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| 06:25.37 | mikey-mmth | what is qtopia? for the linux box or for the Zaurus? |
| 06:27.34 | Vhalros | qtopiadesktop is a program that maintains a schedule, and other PIM stuff, and can sync with the Zaurus. It also lets you upload files to it, and install software. I think it is the same program used on Windows. |
| 06:28.04 | mikey-mmth | Oh, gotcha. |
| 06:28.07 | ljp | qtopia is the gui on the zaurus |
| 06:28.10 | gaurdian | you can use it on Win, I use intellisync to sync with poutlook |
| 06:28.14 | gaurdian | outlook I mean |
| 06:28.33 | mikey-mmth | How do you like the Zaurus? |
| 06:28.40 | gaurdian | Ilike it |
| 06:28.57 | Vhalros | I like it pretty well, although being the sort of person I am, I had to break it several times :) |
| 06:28.58 | gaurdian | use it daily |
| 06:29.22 | Vhalros | I mostly use it as an mp3/ogg player and gameboy emulator... Never saw much need for the PIM stuff. |
| 06:29.41 | Vhalros | Occationally write notes to myself. |
| 06:29.45 | gaurdian | thats a waste IMHO, but to each |
| 06:30.05 | mikey-mmth | I have a Blackberry and love the keybouar over the tapping the on screen thing and I use linux so I figure I should give the Zaurus a try |
| 06:30.11 | gaurdian | I use the PIM, video, audio, ssh from it, perl scripts...all sorts crap |
| 06:30.21 | Vhalros | Well, I will use it for other things presently :) But PIM seems useless in general. Maybe that is just because I have no life, and thus no persoanl information to manage... |
| 06:30.55 | gaurdian | I sync it with outlook at home and our exchange server at work, so the pim's great for me |
| 06:30.55 | mikey-mmth | lol :-) |
| 06:31.15 | Vhalros | I don't have a CF network interface for it yet, once I get one there will be many horrible things I shall do with it... |
| 06:31.51 | Vhalros | I love the fact that it has a built-in keyboard too. |
| 06:31.56 | gaurdian | and I use it as a mp3 player also :) |
| 06:32.24 | gaurdian | video's are to choppy to watch IMHO |
| 06:32.34 | gaurdian | but its nice for viewing pictures |
| 06:32.39 | mikey-mmth | Yeah, i have had palms and pocket pcs and the screen tapping just doesnt cut it |
| 06:33.00 | Vhalros | I've only tried to watch DivX with it... way to choppy, but maybe mpeg is faster... of course, it would also be huge :) |
| 06:33.16 | gaurdian | mpeg is no better |
| 06:33.35 | gaurdian | I have a lot of the kc apps also though.. |
| 06:33.40 | gaurdian | tkc I mean |
| 06:33.43 | mikey-mmth | Have you seen the newest model with the folding and swiveling screen? |
| 06:33.45 | Vhalros | It might be okay for some sorts of video, but like... watching a movie or something would be pointless. |
| 06:34.20 | gaurdian | picked up a 256meg SD card and a 128cf card also for it, along with cf wifi |
| 06:34.44 | Vhalros | I have a 128 MB CF card, and plan to get a wifi card for it. |
| 06:36.19 | Vhalros | The thing is much less useful with out add-ons. |
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| 06:37.41 | gaurdian | I even have a palm/cell phone and I use the Z more |
| 06:41.34 | mspencer | Wow, this is really hard, taking pictures and documenting what I do... |
| 06:42.06 | mspencer | I just soldered the 15 amp fuse holder to the four D cell battery holder's positive lead...heat shrink and all...and now I just want to get it over with. |
| 06:42.41 | mspencer | Must...resist...urge to...finish...project...need to remember the camera... |
| 06:42.55 | mikey-mmth | mspencer: what are you doing? |
| 06:43.11 | mspencer | building an 18 amp hour external battery pack for my Zaurus SL-C700, when I get it :) |
| 06:43.23 | mikey-mmth | oh |
| 06:43.41 | mikey-mmth | how long is that supposed to last |
| 06:43.47 | mspencer | the built in pack is like one amp hour ^__^ |
| 06:43.56 | mspencer | In theory, eighteen times as long as the built-in pack. :) |
| 06:44.19 | mikey-mmth | will be bulky, no? |
| 06:44.24 | mspencer | it'll also weigh three and a half pounds and be about the same bulk as a thick college textbook... |
| 06:44.43 | gaurdian | mspencer , how big will the externap pack for the 5500 be ? |
| 06:44.54 | mspencer | I guess this same one would work for the 5500 also ^__^ |
| 06:45.03 | mspencer | what voltage does the AC Adapter for the 5500 use? |
| 06:45.12 | mspencer | erm, how much does it deliver to the Z? |
| 06:45.27 | mspencer | 5V, just like the C700? |
| 06:45.40 | Vhalros | Yeah, 5V. |
| 06:45.56 | mspencer | Then this will work for that one also, albeit possibly without the same connector. :) |
| 06:46.13 | mspencer | The idea here is, you still want the Z to be pocket-portable, and this doesn't get in the way of that. |
| 06:46.21 | Vhalros | Uses the normal barrel connector. |
| 06:46.31 | w0d3n | where does openzaurus keep the ipkg files that it downloads? |
| 06:46.41 | mspencer | However, if you're already carrying some bulk, like a bookbag or briefcase, a little more mass won't hurt. |
| 06:46.55 | mspencer | btw, do we have dimensions for that barrel connector? Dynamism wouldn't tell me... |
| 06:47.20 | Vhalros | Hmm, I'm pretty sure there are actually standards for those sort of connectors... |
| 06:47.37 | mspencer | c700support: "Hi, We are not sure the exact dimensions, but the slot is round and small. There is a hole in the middle, but that is about all that we can tell you." |
| 06:47.50 | mspencer | does it have an inner diameter and outer diameter? |
| 06:48.19 | Vhalros | mspencer: There is a hole in the middle? It is female? The one on the 5500 is male. |
| 06:48.42 | mspencer | I don't know male or female with barrel plugs, since they both stick something into the other one... |
| 06:48.58 | mspencer | that sounded weird.... |
| 06:49.36 | Vhalros | If it has a pin it is male... If the barrel part is what sticks in, it is female. Atleast, that's my understanding :) I hope I am not wrong. |
| 06:49.56 | weez | you talking about the power connnecter> |
| 06:49.58 | weez | ?? |
| 06:50.02 | Vhalros | Yes. |
| 06:50.12 | mspencer | the AC adapter's cord is female? Or the Z's connector is female? |
| 06:50.27 | mspencer | (standard, just like normal things like CD players and whatnot, right?) |
| 06:50.29 | weez | its a standard size, I bought mine at radio shack, lemme see if it has a marking |
| 06:50.31 | Vhalros | The connector on the Z is male. |
| 06:50.44 | Vhalros | The connector on the Z power cord is female. For the 5500 at any rate. |
| 06:50.50 | mspencer | the connector on the Z is a large hole with a pin in the middle? |
| 06:50.57 | weez | hmm |
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| 06:51.00 | Vhalros | mspencer: Correct. |
| 06:51.01 | mspencer | The connector on the Z power cord is a barrel with a hole in the middle? |
| 06:51.04 | mspencer | OK cool :) |
| 06:51.37 | Vhalros | I like this idea of the uber battery :) |
| 06:51.47 | mspencer | It'll be bulky and heavy though... |
| 06:52.04 | mspencer | but it's actually two packs in parallel, so if you don't want so much bulk you can only take one pack with you, and have 9 amp hours instead of 18. |
| 06:52.23 | weez | are you building a voltage regulator? |
| 06:52.40 | mspencer | No, I'm just going to count on the fact that NiMH batteries output 1.2V when fully charged. |
| 06:52.48 | weez | hmm |
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| 06:53.13 | weez | I was thinking of building a batt pack, but I was going to build in a voltage reglator with an auto shutoff |
| 06:53.21 | mspencer | I don't know how to do that :) |
| 06:53.28 | weez | i am paranoid bout breaking my c700 |
| 06:53.32 | mspencer | the most fancy stuff mine has is...well...fuses :) |
| 06:54.03 | mspencer | short-circuit wire-melting fiery-burning-death protection. |
| 06:54.36 | weez | the power plug is a 4 mm plug looks like |
| 06:54.49 | mspencer | 4mm id or od? I don't know how these things are rated... |
| 06:54.49 | weez | just go to radio shack |
| 06:54.59 | weez | id? od? |
| 06:55.07 | mspencer | I already have the Adaptaplug parts -- I was counting on going to radio shack. :) |
| 06:55.33 | mspencer | My pack was going to sit here built and ready, with a naked adaptaplug on it. I was going to take the C700 to radio shack and have it 'fitted' :) |
| 06:55.58 | weez | When I brought back my first zaurus from japan I didnt want to use the 100V rated power supply her, so I bought a radio shack digital camera power supply and set it for 5 V |
| 06:56.20 | weez | actually my second zaurus... |
| 06:56.24 | mspencer | cool :) |
| 06:56.38 | Vhalros | What need has one of two? |
| 06:56.52 | weez | yeah, when you buy a power supply, they let you choose which plug, just take your c700 to size it |
| 06:56.54 | mspencer | If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go solder a bit more, and then call it a night. I have Japanese class in the morning...quiz on chapters 7-9 vocab and sentence-building... |
| 06:57.04 | weez | actually i need to sell my old ones |
| 06:57.22 | mspencer | make sure you buy a regulated supply... |
| 06:57.28 | weez | I still have an icruise EX1, and an MI-E1-V |
| 06:57.50 | mspencer | otherwise it might only deliver its rated voltage *near* its rated amperage...so your 5V supply might provide 6V under light load. |
| 06:57.53 | weez | before the icruise i had a power C800 or some such... |
| 06:58.52 | weez | good lucj |
| 06:58.55 | weez | er luck |
| 07:01.41 | effy-kun | mspencer: whatcha learning Japanese for? |
| 07:03.38 | mspencer | mostly a hobby...something fun to take while slogging through my senior year of a CS degree program... |
| 07:03.56 | effy-kun | hehe |
| 07:04.04 | effy-kun | sounds cool |
| 07:05.48 | weez | i kinda did that too |
| 07:06.17 | weez | i also got to go work at a japanese robotics company for a year |
| 07:06.31 | effy-kun | what company was that? |
| 07:06.35 | weez | hirata |
| 07:06.36 | effy-kun | Honda? :P |
| 07:06.42 | effy-kun | never heard of them |
| 07:07.03 | weez | they like make factory autmoation equipment |
| 07:07.36 | weez | but thus have I had a hard on for zaurus since that time... |
| 07:08.17 | weez | thank god they finally moved to QT/linux |
| 07:08.31 | weez | the OS before that really sucked |
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| 07:10.30 | effy-kun | LOL |
| 07:33.23 | mspencer | Well, I have determined that an infrared heat lamp is completely ineffective at making heat shrink actually shrink. I'll use a blowdrier like a normal person :) |
| 07:34.20 | mspencer | That and...when a drop of solder falls onto a cold metal pan, it pretty much hardens immediately into a cool little disk, extremely flat on the bottom. :) |
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| 07:38.45 | effy-kun | OL |
| 07:38.47 | effy-kun | LOL |
| 07:50.37 | Vhalros | There is a 5600? |
| 07:51.20 | raceme | Vhalros: yes there is. |
| 07:52.26 | raceme | Vhalros: less SDRAM but more internal flash i think |
| 07:53.00 | Quilb | and uses the Xscale processor |
| 07:53.06 | Quilb | 400mhz |
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| 08:17.45 | greentea | hi |
| 08:18.00 | greentea | does a hh kernel works for zaurus? or must i get a pxa patch? |
| 08:18.10 | greentea | what's the diff between hh and pxa? |
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| 10:26.22 | Twiun | anyone awake have a Z using the Sharp ROM and the DrugMoney game installed? |
| 10:27.05 | phoen][x | z yes, sharprom no, drugmoney no |
| 10:27.10 | phoen][x | 1/3 |
| 10:27.18 | Twiun | lol, not good enough :) |
| 10:27.31 | Twiun | <-- z yes, sharprom no, drugmoney yes |
| 10:27.35 | Twiun | I need 3/3 |
| 10:27.50 | Twiun | need someone to verify backward compatibility |
| 10:27.55 | phoen][x | hmm, you have 2/3 and i have 1/3 - lets add that.. |
| 10:28.08 | phoen][x | sharprom users are hard to find these days |
| 10:28.19 | Twiun | yeah, I realise |
| 10:28.33 | Twiun | actually... anyone not on OZ should do |
| 10:29.10 | phoen][x | oz3.1_rc2 here |
| 10:29.21 | Twiun | rc1 here |
| 10:29.34 | Twiun | I'm working on a Jeode alternative for OZ |
| 10:29.52 | phoen][x | jeode was too big so i did not install it on oz |
| 10:30.27 | Twiun | how big is jeode uncompressed? |
| 10:30.52 | phoen][x | ~1.5Mb? |
| 10:30.53 | ulyx | dunno |
| 10:31.22 | Twiun | surely that's the compressed size? |
| 10:31.46 | Twiun | hrm |
| 10:31.58 | Twiun | looks like I'm going to have to mount a cramfs to find out :) |
| 10:32.02 | phoen][x | i'm not sure. let me see, i have the ipk lying in my mailbox |
| 10:33.26 | phoen][x | 3.2M/home/phoenix/test/unpacked |
| 10:33.39 | phoen][x | HUGE! |
| 10:33.52 | Twiun | good :) you scared me for a while there :) |
| 10:34.24 | phoen][x | hehe. even the compressed size is 2.4M - seems like i mixed a few numbers there |
| 10:34.25 | Twiun | Wonka (the alternative) is a 900k ipk and 2.6 compressed |
| 10:34.34 | Twiun | erm |
| 10:34.39 | phoen][x | wonka? |
| 10:34.40 | Twiun | 2.6 uncompressed even |
| 10:34.48 | phoen][x | webpage? |
| 10:34.50 | Twiun | I didn't choose the name :) |
| 10:34.56 | Twiun | http://wonka.acunia.com |
| 10:35.07 | Twiun | I'm bolting Qt/Embedded bindings onto it |
| 10:35.18 | Twiun | http://adorphuye.com/~twiun |
| 10:36.15 | phoen][x | it's not usable yet, is it? |
| 10:36.28 | phoen][x | the wonka thingy |
| 10:36.35 | Twiun | it's fine for command-line only stuff |
| 10:36.52 | Twiun | the gui stuff it comes with aren't Zaurus-compatible really |
| 10:37.08 | phoen][x | mm |
| 10:37.13 | Twiun | at least, not yet |
| 10:38.40 | phoen][x | well i dont like java as ui too much anyways |
| 10:39.40 | Twiun | from the little Qt I've had to endure so far doing this, I prefer the Java semantics :) |
| 10:43.00 | phoen][x | i prefer c++ |
| 10:44.34 | Twiun | it's a question of preference :) oh, and the right tool for the job... most of the work I'm doing is in C anyway :) |
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| 11:28.51 | mark | visual basic! |
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| 11:36.58 | od1n | yo |
| 11:38.20 | od1n | im trying to get fluxbox to run on my zaurus - ive got tinyx 4.1 & fluxbox 0.1 installed |
| 11:38.27 | od1n | how do i get into fluxbox? |
| 11:40.59 | od1n | any1 in here alive? o.0 |
| 11:43.08 | gtr | yes |
| 11:43.49 | od1n | can u answer my q pls? |
| 11:44.00 | zecke | od1n: write a .xinitrc |
| 11:44.02 | gtr | Sorry, i have the same prov |
| 11:44.05 | gtr | prob |
| 11:44.14 | zecke | od1n: or a xsession script |
| 11:44.27 | od1n | ? |
| 11:45.28 | od1n | what do i write in it? |
| 11:45.38 | phoen][x | echo "exec fluxbox" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 11:46.53 | od1n | hmm |
| 11:46.58 | od1n | doesnt seem to hav worked |
| 11:47.40 | phoen][x | what happens when you 'startx'? |
| 11:47.48 | od1n | i just get the grey screen |
| 11:47.53 | od1n | and nothing else |
| 11:48.13 | od1n | i want .xinitrc in the /home dir dont i? |
| 11:48.47 | phoen][x | yes, thats why you do `echo "exec fluxbox" > ~/.xinitrc` |
| 11:59.12 | gtr | od1n can you telnet or ssh in the zZ? |
| 11:59.34 | gtr | oops |
| 11:59.54 | od1n | ? |
| 12:00.19 | gtr | od1n: does it work now, i was in the wrong line |
| 12:00.42 | od1n | not yet |
| 12:00.52 | gtr | ok, can you ssh in your Z? |
| 12:00.56 | od1n | nope |
| 12:01.11 | gtr | could get a shell while x is running? |
| 12:01.29 | od1n | no shell, just a grey background |
| 12:01.38 | gtr | damned :-( |
| 12:01.42 | phoen][x | rightclick |
| 12:01.45 | phoen][x | hah, lol. |
| 12:01.46 | od1n | brb |
| 12:01.54 | phoen][x | you cannont rightclick |
| 12:02.32 | gtr | How does the Z know that I'm using right or left hand for clicking? |
| 12:03.05 | ccamp | holy that fire in the rhode island night club is insane |
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| 12:30.40 | George- | ibot sniper |
| 12:30.40 | | methinks sniper is Sharp's extremely dedicated Sr. Janitor |
| 12:31.09 | mark | George-: boo |
| 12:31.16 | George- | hi mark |
| 12:31.23 | mark | George-: can i have the combination on the lock again? :( |
| 12:31.28 | George- | mark: idiot |
| 12:31.38 | Twiun | 'llo |
| 12:31.40 | George- | 360 degrees anti-clockwise |
| 12:31.49 | George- | 270 degrees clockwise |
| 12:31.55 | George- | 180 degrees clockwise |
| 12:32.01 | George- | 270 degrees anti clockwise |
| 12:32.28 | George- | afk |
| 12:34.44 | Twiun | where's the safe? |
| 12:36.18 | mark | George-: it is random |
| 12:36.19 | mark | as i said |
| 12:36.19 | mark | nonce |
| 12:36.28 | mark | Twiun: melee island, in the shop |
| 12:36.33 | George- | back |
| 12:36.42 | George- | ahh ffs |
| 12:36.49 | George- | don't tell me EVERYONE is playing monkey island now |
| 12:37.03 | mark | George-: you were wrong |
| 12:37.19 | George- | mark: surprising =P |
| 12:37.42 | mark | George-: you are one of those people who have absolute conviction in their guesses |
| 12:37.51 | George- | cool |
| 12:38.08 | George- | mark: are you gonna be some voodoo dude when ur older? ;) |
| 12:38.17 | George- | mark: if so, then you should play LOOM ;) |
| 12:40.14 | George- | YES!!! SlashDot has just indirectly stated that FIRMWARE != BIOS!!!! |
| 12:40.25 | Wintre | Uh |
| 12:40.30 | Twiun | mark: what? you mean guesses aren't the absolute truth anymore? |
| 12:40.38 | Wintre | Slashdot isn't exactly an authority on anything. |
| 12:40.48 | George- | Wintre: I don't care =P |
| 12:41.04 | George- | Wintre: Firmware != BIOS. Full stop |
| 12:41.08 | Wintre | Then why do you care that they imply that openfirmware isn't a bios? |
| 12:41.40 | George- | because it's not |
| 12:41.44 | Wintre | Oh, you mean that you don't care that they're not an authority, because they said something with which you agree |
| 12:41.44 | George- | and they didn't imply that |
| 12:41.49 | mark | Twiun: heh |
| 12:41.52 | mark | George-: shut up |
| 12:41.53 | George- | Wintre: yes |
| 12:41.56 | George- | mark: NO! |
| 12:42.07 | Wintre | Yes, please, George, take it somewhere else |
| 12:42.22 | Wintre | It's totally off-topic in #zaurus |
| 12:42.25 | George- | chouimat dies |
| 12:45.19 | Twiun | mark: some stats from earlier on. Jeode is 2.4mb compressed, Wonka is only 0.9mb compressed :) |
| 12:45.51 | Wintre | Yes, for the love of god |
| 12:45.53 | Wintre | Please do |
| 12:46.12 | George- | already have |
| 12:52.14 | mark | Twiun: nice :) |
| 12:52.38 | mark | George-: got the safe open |
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| 12:58.29 | George- | bleh, I'm going back to bed |
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| 13:04.54 | mark | Twiun: where are the docks? |
| 13:05.43 | mark | oh in the village |
| 13:07.35 | Twiun | mark: I'm not actually playing that game :) |
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| 14:14.13 | mark | Twiun: you should be :) |
| 14:14.26 | mark | grr, bloody handango, why do they have to send me stuff in .xls |
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| 14:14.32 | Twiun | mark: too busy code-bothering atm :) |
| 14:15.04 | chairman | Hi, I have just bought a MMC card and I have some trouble installing programs on it. It installs. but doesn't appear in the menu |
| 14:15.25 | mark | chairman: open zaurus? |
| 14:15.27 | chairman | I can run the program manually |
| 14:15.32 | chairman | mark: yes |
| 14:16.40 | mark | chairman: strange - restarting opie doesnt make them show? |
| 14:17.31 | chairman | when you restart opie the medium mount window appear and then you can choose between audio,text video, all, but there is one option for "link apps" but you can't choose it |
| 14:18.12 | mark | chairman: when you say run the program manually |
| 14:18.18 | mark | do you mean '/mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/foo/ |
| 14:18.24 | mark | myapp' |
| 14:18.29 | mark | or just 'myapp' |
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| 14:18.43 | mark | you could try ipkg-link mount /mnt/card from the console if they're not symlinked |
| 14:19.09 | gtr | what doas which myapp say? |
| 14:19.38 | chairman | mark: /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opieirc |
| 14:20.00 | mark | chairman: ok, i'd do the ipkg link if i were you, sounds as if the files arent linked |
| 14:20.37 | chairman | I get some failed to link stuff when I install programs on the mmc card |
| 14:23.02 | mark | chairman: execute the command i just told you to - if theres a problem linking it'll show up there |
| 14:25.11 | chairman | mark: hmm, you mean link-ipkg mount /mnt/card? |
| 14:26.17 | chairman | I just get file exists |
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| 14:29.51 | mark | chairman: ipkg-link, not link-ipkig |
| 14:30.15 | mark | chairman: in the console can you run just 'opieirc'? |
| 14:30.47 | chairman | I did you ipkg-link I just wrote wrong here |
| 14:31.00 | chairman | mark: yes |
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| 14:45.47 | Trinity | damn ... ftp won't work ... I can ping the zaurus, but I can't ping from zaurus to the machine |
| 14:46.00 | Trinity | have checked the inetd.conf |
| 14:46.10 | Quilb | Trinity: check you dont have a firewall blocking pings on the machine |
| 14:47.41 | Trinity | no firewall on my local machine, just the server in my company to the net |
| 14:48.22 | Quilb | you got both of the subnet masks set correctly? |
| 14:48.50 | Quilb | i have had a problem with windows pinging a linux machine on a switched network with the subnet set wrong. |
| 14:49.18 | Trinity | just linux |
| 14:49.26 | Trinity | SuSE Linux :-) |
| 14:49.28 | Quilb | eg. had class A subnet set by mistake on the windows box and class C set on the windows. or the other way around maybe |
| 14:51.00 | Quilb | what day to day tasks is the zaurus better then a laptop for ? eg. for a network / IT technician? |
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| 15:01.01 | markZ | heh, this is cool |
| 15:02.35 | Quilb | ? |
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| 15:04.50 | tamash | hi! can anyone tell me where to get this usb kernel patch for kernel2.4.20? |
| 15:05.22 | tamash | google doesn't show off anything usable :( |
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| 16:14.18 | kergoth | hey |
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| 16:36.40 | icefox | hey |
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| 16:44.24 | cor | want a free "Revolution OS" dvd from HP? http://66.34.91.50/Clients/hp/index.html |
| 16:45.03 | kergoth | did someone say free? |
| 16:45.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:45.06 | kergoth | yo icefox |
| 16:45.14 | cor | free (as in beer) |
| 16:45.23 | kergoth | i'm always up for free stuff |
| 16:45.23 | kergoth | :D |
| 16:45.30 | supermatt | the online form is borked |
| 16:45.33 | cor | it's a great documentary too |
| 16:45.39 | cor | i got mine yesterday |
| 16:46.04 | cor | supermatt maybe phone? the online form worked for me |
| 16:46.25 | cor | a marketing rep will try to call you back...i didn't call them back, i still got the dvd |
| 16:46.51 | Neo|Work | "HTTP/1.1 404 Object Not Found" |
| 16:48.16 | cor | hmmph, i guess they are onto the freeloaders...i'll check google maybe somebody documented the phone number |
| 16:49.24 | cor | http://h10018.www1.hp.com/wwsolutions/linux/contact.html |
| 16:50.01 | Neo|Work | not interested in "talk by phone" |
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| 16:53.16 | supermatt | what's 'atopia' as referenced here:http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/interviews/4673/1/ |
| 16:54.38 | Neo|Work | qtopia |
| 16:54.44 | supermatt | typo |
| 16:54.50 | supermatt | ah |
| 16:54.53 | Neo|Work | indeed |
| 16:54.56 | Neo|Work | bad one too. :P |
| 16:55.01 | supermatt | yeah |
| 16:55.02 | supermatt | :) |
| 16:55.08 | treke | Well maybe not |
| 16:55.15 | Neo|Work | not to mention i also said it's an office environment of something weird (not sure if its that one or another article but) |
| 16:55.20 | treke | " Trolltech's ATopia office application suite " |
| 16:56.00 | Neo|Work | right |
| 16:56.03 | treke | there may actually be an atopia :) |
| 16:56.05 | Neo|Work | two wrongs in one sentence |
| 16:56.27 | supermatt | google's never heard of it |
| 16:56.40 | Neo|Work | http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00000118.html |
| 16:56.45 | Neo|Work | that is the correct announcement |
| 16:56.57 | supermatt | that's nicer - thanks |
| 16:57.17 | Neo|Work | at least I'm guessing that ATopia and "office application suite" are fuckups |
| 16:57.29 | Neo|Work | since the only references seems to be various news articles |
| 16:57.56 | Neo|Work | LP: Does this mean that any reference platform coming out of IBM that involves a GUI will now include Qtopia? |
| 16:57.57 | Neo|Work | Nord: Qtopia will be part of any Linux-based platform IBM creates. Qtopia has also been chosen as the standard for Sharp's line of PDAs. |
| 16:58.07 | Neo|Work | that is from the linux planet interview |
| 16:58.09 | Neo|Work | go figure |
| 17:00.52 | Wintre | I've never heard of ATopia either |
| 17:01.20 | supermatt | sounds like a vision disorder |
| 17:01.28 | icefox | NeoTron: no |
| 17:01.37 | treke | Wintre: yeah well no one ever tells the sysadmin anything :) |
| 17:01.48 | icefox | But I am not privlidges to say anymore ;-D |
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| 17:39.49 | George- | hi |
| 17:40.02 | phoen][x | lo George- |
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| 18:02.39 | gaurdian | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.07 | gaurdian | damm...bad flash |
| 18:22.00 | Neo|Work | icefox: no what? |
| 18:22.31 | treke | Neo|Work: I think he meant, no that isnt a typo |
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| 18:23.16 | oGMo | whoa. hmm |
| 18:23.21 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:23.23 | oGMo | ljp_: are you the same ljp on alsa-devel? ;) |
| 18:23.32 | oGMo | it's a damn small world |
| 18:23.33 | oGMo | ;) |
| 18:23.37 | oGMo | kergoth. |
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| 18:31.01 | George- | hey kergoth |
| 18:36.27 | ljp_work | ya ogmo |
| 18:36.49 | ljp_work | why? I've been working on adding alsa to helix |
| 18:38.57 | ljp_work | too bad the alsa devs tend to ignore my pleas |
| 18:39.09 | ljp_work | maybe I ask too dumb questions |
| 18:39.27 | George- | ljp_work: helix as in the gnome company thingy? |
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| 18:39.35 | ljp_work | cause the alsa api docs duck |
| 18:39.53 | ljp_work | no, helix is realnetworks, http://www.helixcommunity.org |
| 18:40.14 | ljp_work | you think I'd do something using gnome? |
| 18:40.17 | oGMo | ljp_: just saw the name today and thought "i swear i've seen an ljp in #zaurus" ;) |
| 18:40.18 | treke | and helix is ximian for the past year |
| 18:40.27 | ljp_work | yuppers, thats me |
| 18:40.32 | George- | ljp_work: I was wondering, if you were a devil worshipper ;) |
| 18:40.47 | ljp_work | I take my sig off the newbie type questions :) |
| 18:40.52 | oGMo | the alsa docs suck |
| 18:40.57 | oGMo | like asoundrc stuff |
| 18:41.13 | George- | ljp_work: n00b13!!!! |
| 18:41.22 | ljp_work | there is no mixer API docs, you have to weed through the source |
| 18:41.26 | oGMo | but i guess they're more intent on the code than anything else... i've found if you want something done, you've got to do it yourself |
| 18:41.32 | oGMo | code or not |
| 18:41.47 | George- | is ljp a bot? |
| 18:41.53 | kergoth | George-: yes |
| 18:41.55 | ljp_work | ya, but API docs are going to help them .. look at Qt, they have great docs |
| 18:42.07 | George- | kergoth: hehe |
| 18:42.08 | oGMo | ljp_work: yeah |
| 18:42.26 | oGMo | a system without docs is not much use unfortunately |
| 18:42.29 | ljp_work | they are 'beyond writing docs' |
| 18:42.50 | ljp_work | or writing good docs that actually tell you wtf they do |
| 18:44.16 | ljp_work | because gnome was a reaction to Qt's non gpl ness back then |
| 18:44.28 | ljp_work | and its C |
| 18:44.32 | ljp_work | :D |
| 18:44.37 | George- | GTK is evil isn't it |
| 18:45.29 | treke | gtk isnt evil |
| 18:45.58 | ljp_work | not evil. just not for me. |
| 18:46.10 | ljp_work | its like riding a Schwinn bike.. |
| 18:46.28 | treke | or being a hippy |
| 18:46.50 | ljp_work | no, not like being a hippy |
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| 18:58.43 | warmi | hi |
| 18:58.57 | George- | hi |
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| 19:01.33 | Neo|Work | so wtf is ATopia then and why isn't there a note about it on trolltech? (Such as "Trolltech announces ATopia - the lamest named office suite ever" |
| 19:01.53 | George- | Neo|Work: atopia? |
| 19:01.55 | George- | ibot atopia |
| 19:02.11 | Neo|Work | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/interviews/4673/1/ |
| 19:02.22 | chouimat | Neo|Work: typo? |
| 19:02.26 | Neo|Work | it mentions "Trolltech's ATopia office application suite " |
| 19:02.35 | Neo|Work | I think so, icefox seems to think it's not |
| 19:02.51 | Neo|Work | but that's just treke's interpretation of icefox's "no" :P |
| 19:03.00 | treke | Neo|Work: I thin k that would be what is meant by " But I am not privlidges to say anymore ;-D". I'm guessing it means that is unannounced |
| 19:03.02 | chouimat | hehe |
| 19:03.10 | mark | so treke thinks icefox thinks its not? :) |
| 19:03.13 | George- | On February 12, Norway's Trolltech AS formally announced its relationship with IBM, which is using Trolltech's ATopia office application suite as part of its 405LP design. |
| 19:03.17 | George- | That's a typo |
| 19:05.00 | ljp_work | maybe they renamed qtopia to atopia |
| 19:05.13 | George- | doubt it |
| 19:05.22 | George- | they refer to it as Qtopia in the rest of the article |
| 19:05.36 | ljp_work | so |
| 19:05.49 | treke | perhaps they wrote a really shitty office suite that they should be shot for having attempted |
| 19:05.53 | George- | stop being pedantic |
| 19:06.09 | mark | : |
| 19:06.22 | treke | George-: how are we being pendantic? The question is whether there actually is an unannounced ATopia |
| 19:06.27 | Neo|Work | George-: again, I think it's a typo. but icefox (speak up!) possibly indicated that it was not.. |
| 19:06.35 | George- | I'm pretty certain it's a typo |
| 19:06.37 | George- | Oh well |
| 19:06.44 | George- | afk |
| 19:06.58 | mark | George-: why do you have such convictions in ur guesses? its ridiculous |
| 19:07.48 | ljp_work | someone, get Oslo on the horn! |
| 19:08.10 | treke | wintre hadnt heard of it, and unless I'm mistaken he works out for Trolltech/Norway |
| 19:08.19 | treke | someone call Warwick |
| 19:08.40 | Neo|Work | I personally strongly doubt it's anything but a typo |
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| 19:09.09 | mark | hmm, this IBM linux PDA is apparently 2x as fast as the Zaurus |
| 19:09.41 | warmi | mark: well if it runs with ..400 MHZ cpu :-) |
| 19:10.57 | mewyn` | hey warmi |
| 19:11.00 | warmi | hi |
| 19:11.02 | mark | warmi: heh, yeh, but the 400Mhz Xscale in its current state is apparently nowhere near that |
| 19:11.40 | mark | warmi: port puzz-le to symbian :) |
| 19:11.50 | Neo|Work | mark: I'm not surprised |
| 19:11.59 | Neo|Work | and I think it also has an FPU |
| 19:12.19 | Neo|Work | Sharp should have gone / should move to that architecture since it's highly superior (it seems :-) |
| 19:12.31 | mark | Neo|Work: oh really? cool? |
| 19:12.37 | Neo|Work | I believe so |
| 19:12.40 | Neo|Work | not 100% sure |
| 19:12.45 | mark | Neo|Work: different arch would be a nice excuse to move to qt3 too :) |
| 19:12.50 | Neo|Work | but it might indeed be the first PDA with a FPU |
| 19:13.03 | Neo|Work | QT3, gcc 3.2, yeah. |
| 19:13.08 | chouimat | Neo|Work: according to the datasheet there is a fpu in the ship |
| 19:13.15 | mewyn` | warmi: i have another need for job... my friends and i want to take my friend who is in the hospital to disney world in november |
| 19:13.19 | mark | chouimat: its a boat now? |
| 19:13.21 | Neo|Work | chouimat: ship. heh. :) |
| 19:13.45 | chouimat | still on the effect on last night party |
| 19:14.04 | Neo|Work | in either case, I think it'll be an awesome platform |
| 19:14.10 | warmi | mewyn: hehe ... that girl who had a car accident ? |
| 19:14.17 | mewyn` | yah |
| 19:14.22 | warmi | mark: what's symbian ? |
| 19:14.27 | Neo|Work | pair it with the C700 physiscal design / screen, make it have say 64 or 128 MB of memory and 2xCF |
| 19:14.35 | Neo|Work | and you have not a PDA, but a subsubnotebook. :) |
| 19:14.37 | treke | warmi: embedded os |
| 19:14.39 | chouimat | Neo|Work: yup must find some money to get one of those |
| 19:14.49 | mewyn` | warmi: she loves the disney characters... so i thought what'd be more perfect :) |
| 19:14.53 | Neo|Work | warmi: OS used by most phones today |
| 19:14.55 | warmi | I heard the name but I thought it was something with phones or so |
| 19:15.07 | mewyn` | (plus i'm dying to go) |
| 19:15.13 | mark | warmi: yeh, what used to be 'epoc32' which was the OS on the psion PDAs |
| 19:15.19 | Neo|Work | chouimat: the reference design they have now isn't as exciting |
| 19:15.26 | warmi | mewyn: yeah, makes sense - I will do the usually , every now and then I will remind them about this position |
| 19:15.32 | mark | warmi: yeh, its used in the high end phones atm (the ones with big color screens etc) |
| 19:15.37 | mewyn` | yah :) |
| 19:15.38 | mewyn` | thanks :) |
| 19:15.48 | Neo|Work | if it was a C700 formfactor with the keyboard and 640x480 screen - dude that would rock |
| 19:16.06 | Neo|Work | warmi: looked into M$ Smartphone publishing? |
| 19:16.22 | warmi | Neo|Work: no, I know nothing about this stuf |
| 19:16.36 | mark | that smartphones horrid |
| 19:17.27 | Neo|Work | warmi: PocketPC, but smaller resolution and slower CPU qnd with a "certification cost" to publish games and, this is amazing, dll's |
| 19:17.29 | warmi | mewyn: man .. if you look at it - it has been already like 6 months since Wolak been trying to get that position filled |
| 19:17.33 | Neo|Work | s/games/software/ even |
| 19:17.37 | warmi | they are really dragging their feet |
| 19:17.55 | mewyn` | yah |
| 19:17.58 | mark | Neo|Work: you've got to pay them to publish apps? jees |
| 19:18.11 | warmi | Neo|Work: oh yeah .. I remember reading something like that - people were comparing it to the model used by game consoles |
| 19:18.21 | warmi | basically you have to have license to even develop for that thing |
| 19:18.26 | Neo|Work | mark: indeed. like $500 or something I think |
| 19:18.30 | treke | kinda like qtopia |
| 19:18.45 | warmi | treke: no , thats just for the tools |
| 19:18.53 | warmi | there you have to pay 500 for each app or something like that |
| 19:18.55 | Neo|Work | warmi: incorrect, you develop for free but you can't release for free |
| 19:18.57 | ljp_work | qtopia is gpl |
| 19:19.00 | treke | Ha |
| 19:19.03 | Neo|Work | i.e no open sourced / freeware on the smartphone |
| 19:19.20 | Neo|Work | and qtopia is a cheaper one-time free for commercial software only |
| 19:19.26 | Neo|Work | free software for qtopia is, well, free |
| 19:19.30 | mark | i wonder how many more apps we'd have today if the SDK for the Z was free like PPC |
| 19:19.43 | ljp_work | its gpl |
| 19:19.48 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah , well PDA software market is composed of mostly small , 1 person "development houses" |
| 19:19.54 | Neo|Work | warmi: right |
| 19:19.58 | warmi | that is its strenght |
| 19:20.02 | Neo|Work | of course two of the ones I work with do publish for the smartphone |
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| 19:20.08 | Neo|Work | and they are 1 respective 2 people |
| 19:20.08 | mark | ljp_work: if the non GPL was free |
| 19:20.09 | warmi | hardly anyone from the big boys even bothers developing for these devices |
| 19:20.20 | warmi | I don't know what MS is thinking with this one |
| 19:20.26 | Neo|Work | pda game development today is what game development used to be way back when |
| 19:20.30 | mark | Neo|Work: IF on my phone rocks |
| 19:20.50 | Neo|Work | mark: you have a smartphone? |
| 19:20.58 | mark | Neo|Work: the nokia one, yeh |
| 19:21.00 | Zarchon | Does one have to provide any special credentials to get the PC Connection discount? |
| 19:21.04 | Neo|Work | wtf were you thinking? :) |
| 19:21.31 | Neo|Work | Zarchon: if it's the one I put in the topic some time ago it's refurbished zaurii |
| 19:21.41 | Zarchon | Ah |
| 19:21.42 | mark | Neo|Work: heh, i like it. |
| 19:21.45 | Neo|Work | or "class 2" as icefox likes to call them. :P |
| 19:21.56 | Neo|Work | mark: buggy, slow, laggy piece of shi^H^H^phone |
| 19:21.58 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 19:22.18 | mark | Neo|Work: where do you get this from? |
| 19:22.29 | warmi | I am getting closer and closer to purchasing C 700 |
| 19:22.30 | mark | Neo|Work: this is symbian, with nokia series 60 gui on |
| 19:22.42 | mewyn` | warmi: you're gonna blow that much money? |
| 19:22.42 | warmi | but I am thinking about getting one from Japan and doing conversion myself |
| 19:22.53 | Neo|Work | mark: then it's not M$ Smartphone |
| 19:22.55 | warmi | no, definately not the one for $700 |
| 19:22.58 | Neo|Work | IF is ported to Symbian? |
| 19:23.00 | mark | Neo|Work: i didn't say it was |
| 19:23.01 | mark | Neo|Work: yes |
| 19:23.04 | warmi | I am talking about $ 500 or so |
| 19:23.14 | Neo|Work | didn't know that |
| 19:23.35 | Neo|Work | I thought it was M$ smartphone only |
| 19:23.54 | mark | warmi: do you have to pay an import duty? |
| 19:23.55 | mewyn` | where can ou get it for 500? |
| 19:24.00 | warmi | mark: what kind of resolution you got on that device ? |
| 19:24.16 | warmi | mark: no, this is US man :-) |
| 19:25.02 | mark | warmi: its 176x208 i think |
| 19:25.03 | warmi | holly ... it is already 85 dead |
| 19:25.06 | mark | warmi: grr, not fair |
| 19:25.28 | Neo|Work | warmi: 885 dead? |
| 19:25.31 | Neo|Work | oops 85 even |
| 19:25.32 | warmi | I just looked like 10 minutes ago and the death tool was around 75 dead |
| 19:25.36 | Neo|Work | dead in what? |
| 19:25.41 | warmi | now they are saying it is 85 |
| 19:25.47 | mewyn` | warmi: whit what? |
| 19:25.50 | warmi | http://www.foxnews.com/ |
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| 19:26.05 | mark | warmi: i heard 20 this morning i think |
| 19:26.16 | warmi | yeah, they keep finding burned bodies |
| 19:26.36 | mewyn` | another night club massacre? |
| 19:27.02 | warmi | last night , during a rock concert |
| 19:27.08 | treke | shit that's quite a few dead |
| 19:27.11 | warmi | the whole place burned down |
| 19:27.38 | warmi | the fire was cause by some fireworks ( mind you, that was an indoor concert) |
| 19:27.53 | mewyn` | this is gonna be a problem for my friend who wants to start a club |
| 19:28.34 | warmi | tragically, people didn't run because they thought that the fire was part of the show itself |
| 19:28.38 | warmi | or soemthing like that |
| 19:28.39 | icefox | Someone ping me |
| 19:28.42 | mewyn` | eep |
| 19:28.52 | mewyn` | --- Ping reply from icefox : 0.32 second(s) |
| 19:28.56 | Twiun | Ping reply from icefox : 0.88 second(s) |
| 19:29.02 | icefox | ah it was just a mention of my name |
| 19:29.36 | Neo|Work | icefox: I wondered what your 'no' was about |
| 19:29.46 | Neo|Work | icefox: are you saying that something like ATopia does exist? |
| 19:29.55 | icefox | nope |
| 19:29.58 | warmi | wtf is Atopia ?? |
| 19:29.59 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:30.02 | icefox | IBM will use other things then Qtopia |
| 19:30.19 | warmi | icefox: well, they will use Qte won't they ? |
| 19:30.23 | Neo|Work | icefox: but the article must have referred to QTopia and not some "office suite" named ATopia |
| 19:30.59 | icefox | I mean IBM will use whatever they want |
| 19:31.10 | icefox | they aren't going to alie themselves with anyone |
| 19:31.14 | Neo|Work | of course, but they are using Qtopia |
| 19:31.18 | treke | icefox: thank you for being 100% unhelpful to the discussion |
| 19:31.18 | icefox | yes |
| 19:31.21 | icefox | sorry |
| 19:31.22 | icefox | :-D |
| 19:31.57 | treke | the whole question is whether atopia exists or is a type :) |
| 19:32.41 | icefox | typo? |
| 19:32.43 | icefox | :-D |
| 19:33.33 | warmi | I am sure it is typo |
| 19:33.43 | warmi | atopi even sounds stupid :-) |
| 19:34.10 | Neo|Work | I'm going to make a.. hmm. Drink Database Program named UTopia |
| 19:34.31 | warmi | Drinktopia |
| 19:34.33 | warmi | heh |
| 19:34.48 | kergoth | just called it Wasted |
| 19:34.59 | warmi | heh |
| 19:35.10 | warmi | so that everyone knows right away what is all about |
| 19:35.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:35.24 | mewyn` | i think IBM wanted to use FRUtopia, but that was already taken :) |
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| 19:35.36 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:35.47 | warmi | I wonder if IBM is really serious about it |
| 19:35.54 | gaurdian | would creating a swap file be of any benefit to the Z ? |
| 19:35.55 | Neo|Work | probably are |
| 19:36.03 | Neo|Work | they want to push their platform/CPU |
| 19:36.10 | kergoth | gaurdian: the only place you could put it is on flahs, and you'll wear the flash out. |
| 19:36.16 | Neo|Work | and they want wo whack Microsoft. :P |
| 19:36.18 | warmi | I mean , I somehow don't see Dells and HPs of this world suddenly flocking to their reference platform |
| 19:36.31 | mewyn` | i think IBM is still bitter about OS/2 |
| 19:36.42 | Neo|Work | warmi: they are probably initially flocking to the commercial use, such as the new US sharp strategy |
| 19:36.44 | gaurdian | ahh..ok. I was gonn put on SD. Does SD really have that short a lifetime (read/writes) ? |
| 19:36.44 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, everyone wants that - but MS is not that easy to beat |
| 19:36.47 | Neo|Work | rather than personal consumer usage |
| 19:36.53 | sjborch | OS/2 was a self-inflicted wound. |
| 19:36.57 | kergoth | gaurdian: its flash. google for flash lifetime information |
| 19:36.58 | Neo|Work | warmi: but IBM are sure trying |
| 19:37.00 | kergoth | gaurdian: swap is a _lot_ of writes |
| 19:37.05 | gaurdian | true |
| 19:37.09 | kergoth | gaurdian: plus its pointless. |
| 19:37.12 | kergoth | gaurdian: on the 5x00 anyway |
| 19:37.18 | kergoth | gaurdian: because you can just switch the memory balance around |
| 19:37.19 | Neo|Work | sjborch: comapre OS/2 with the alternatives of tht time period and it wasn't bad |
| 19:37.23 | Neo|Work | really |
| 19:37.24 | gaurdian | ahh......dident know if it would help performance or not |
| 19:37.26 | kergoth | c700 would be more of a concern given its 32mb max |
| 19:37.29 | Neo|Work | it just never evolved to something better |
| 19:37.36 | kergoth | gaurdian: if you dont get memory errors, dont worry abou tit |
| 19:37.38 | sjborch | I liked OS/2. I called it Windows 94. |
| 19:37.42 | mewyn` | sjborch: OS/2 was supposed to be /the/ 32bit OS, and they where partnered with MS to make it |
| 19:37.52 | Neo|Work | wonder if it'd be amazingly prohibitite (space/cost) to make aPDA with a SODIMM slot |
| 19:38.03 | Neo|Work | so it had 32 MB but can take up to 256 MB more or so. :P |
| 19:38.15 | warmi | sjborch: I tried OS/2 and it I hated it even more than I did old Apple creation |
| 19:38.32 | mewyn` | OS/2 was akward |
| 19:38.33 | Neo|Work | at the time, I was an eager Amiga addict - that computer was way before its time |
| 19:38.40 | warmi | I couldn't even get a basic ne 2000 compatible network card to work with it |
| 19:38.41 | icefox | can the Zaurus can produce a |
| 19:38.41 | icefox | "Break" signal. |
| 19:38.42 | sjborch | warmi: I liked it's capabilities as an operating system. |
| 19:38.45 | icefox | ? |
| 19:38.48 | Neo|Work | but what made M$ win was the profiliating Pc clone market |
| 19:38.55 | kergoth | icefox: yep |
| 19:39.00 | warmi | Neo|Work: me to ... a 600 to be precise |
| 19:39.04 | kergoth | icefox: a hardware break is a certain signal on the serial line |
| 19:39.06 | icefox | like ctrl-break. |
| 19:39.11 | kergoth | .. |
| 19:39.23 | kergoth | thats not a hardware break, thats a break as assigned in stty |
| 19:39.28 | kergoth | which is ctrl+c in linux |
| 19:39.29 | mewyn` | sjborch: capabilities are one thing, but you have to put it in a good package and have more than 3 apps |
| 19:39.30 | kergoth | and delete in SCO |
| 19:39.31 | icefox | ah |
| 19:39.42 | kergoth | i'm talking break like, a hardware break to drop a Sun machine to PROM |
| 19:39.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:39.44 | icefox | is sunos it must be called a break |
| 19:39.51 | Neo|Work | warmi: A1000 here |
| 19:39.54 | Neo|Work | early adopter. :P |
| 19:40.08 | warmi | A 1000 was like a very first model |
| 19:40.08 | kergoth | icefox: yes, sun machines need a hardware break to drop the unit to prom |
| 19:40.13 | warmi | eyah |
| 19:40.17 | kergoth | icefox: so if yoiur'e consoling a sun box, you produce a hardware break on the serial line |
| 19:40.22 | Neo|Work | warmi: it was indeed |
| 19:40.23 | sjborch | mewyn`: exactly. Apps were few and far between, and outrageously expensive. |
| 19:40.27 | kergoth | icefox: and yes it can |
| 19:40.37 | Neo|Work | came with a 256 KB memory upgrade out of the box (for a total of 512!) |
| 19:40.37 | warmi | in fact , it was A 500 that got the ball rolling for the commodor |
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| 19:40.49 | warmi | I don't think A 1000 was sold in large quantities at all |
| 19:41.04 | Neo|Work | unfortunately for us, the A500 and A2000 came out shortly thereafter |
| 19:41.32 | Neo|Work | and the A1000 went into "mostly unsupported" when it comes to memory extensions and the like |
| 19:41.52 | sjborch | why won't Amiga just go away now? |
| 19:42.00 | hardwire | cause they are an icon |
| 19:42.18 | warmi | sjborch: I did go away |
| 19:42.20 | Neo|Work | sjborch: I still think AmigaOS 4 with the PPC platforms will be nice |
| 19:42.30 | warmi | I mean : it did go away |
| 19:42.39 | Neo|Work | and remember the Amiga game (porting) market is more profitable than the Linux one |
| 19:42.51 | warmi | nobody seriously uses Amigas anymore |
| 19:43.05 | sjborch | I went to their site and tried to figure out what the Amiga Anywhere was all about. |
| 19:43.10 | Neo|Work | and yet, people with amigas buy more games than the entire linux communify. |
| 19:43.20 | Neo|Work | warmi: think about that for a second |
| 19:44.04 | warmi | Neo|Work: do they ? |
| 19:44.24 | warmi | well, that says more about "strength" of Linux gaming community than it says about Amiga :-) |
| 19:44.30 | Neo|Work | warmi: yes, they do |
| 19:45.04 | Neo|Work | Hyperion, whcih do porting for amiga's (I believe it was hyperion) and also did some Linux ports stopped doing Linux because Amiga outsold it by far |
| 19:45.57 | warmi | hehehe |
| 19:46.39 | warmi | well, there you go - that should explain what happened tof Loki games |
| 19:46.59 | Neo|Work | actually not entirely |
| 19:47.09 | Neo|Work | loki is filled with ++stupid choices |
| 19:47.14 | warmi | on the other hand , I read some stories about owner of that company being not exactly "honest" and stuff like that |
| 19:47.26 | Neo|Work | such as ordering, I believe, 50000 copies (up front) of Quake 3 in a tin box (high cost by copy) |
| 19:47.45 | Neo|Work | out of all the things that brought loki down, that was the biggest single factor I think |
| 19:47.52 | warmi | 50 000 ? |
| 19:47.54 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 19:48.03 | warmi | uh .. that is a quite a number even by PC standards |
| 19:48.10 | Neo|Work | which is insane since the best selling loki games (CTP is #1 I think) sold like 20k total |
| 19:48.28 | Neo|Work | and btw, 20k sold is a very respectable number |
| 19:48.40 | warmi | well, I think Quake sold like 1 000 000 or so |
| 19:48.50 | Neo|Work | we are talking Linux |
| 19:48.55 | Neo|Work | I'm saying that 20k is sustainable |
| 19:48.58 | warmi | but again, most of the games on Windows sell around 50 K or so compies |
| 19:49.02 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 19:49.17 | warmi | 20 K - uh .. not if the game comes behind the PC version |
| 19:49.30 | Neo|Work | meaning if you had a small team doing a couple of those a year, you'd do fine |
| 19:49.34 | warmi | it has to come out at the same time |
| 19:49.42 | Neo|Work | unfortunately some of the later titles barely (or perhaps didn't) break 1000 |
| 19:50.07 | treke | I'd be surprised if postal broke 100 :) |
| 19:50.22 | Neo|Work | it did |
| 19:50.23 | Neo|Work | >: |
| 19:50.24 | warmi | well, which wouldn't be that bad if it was Eon Games doing this and not Loki with its huge overhead |
| 19:50.25 | Neo|Work | I think |
| 19:50.52 | warmi | Neo|Work: as far as you are concerned , selling 1000 copies of your game wouldn't be all that bad |
| 19:50.55 | treke | .me actually likes posal |
| 19:51.06 | Neo|Work | warmi: See, LGP is doing this and I think they will at the very least survive |
| 19:51.18 | Neo|Work | and if _I_ sold 1000 copies of anything, I'd be overjoyed |
| 19:51.34 | warmi | so I wonder how the heck Loki was able to survive so long anyway ? |
| 19:51.59 | mewyn` | i'd be shocked if i sold 1000 copies of anthing. mostly due to me not selling anything |
| 19:52.05 | Neo|Work | warmi: by not paying debts? |
| 19:52.07 | mewyn` | warmi: venture capital? |
| 19:52.36 | Neo|Work | other large chunks of debts came from agreed up-front payment for doing ports |
| 19:52.39 | warmi | well, you just described a typical 90s dot-com era company :-) |
| 19:52.53 | Neo|Work | LGP is avoid this by simply not doing AAA high profile games but rather doing lesser known, still good games |
| 19:53.06 | Neo|Work | warmi: Loki pretty much was one, yes |
| 19:53.20 | mewyn` | i wish there was a SimCity 4 for linu |
| 19:53.25 | mewyn` | linux |
| 19:53.33 | Twiun | lol, me too |
| 19:53.44 | Twiun | but then I'd never get any work done |
| 19:53.48 | warmi | yeah, just like your company - if you don't sell many games - the ony thing you are out of is your time you spent on the game |
| 19:53.51 | warmi | there is no debt etc .. |
| 19:54.11 | warmi | so this kind of model LGP is using is pretty decent |
| 19:56.21 | Neo|Work | and LGP also has very carefully crafted agreements I believe |
| 19:56.43 | mewyn` | i should take some busniess classes next quarter |
| 19:57.15 | Neo|Work | SimCity 3 was a very tricky port apparently (or the editor at least) |
| 19:57.32 | mewyn` | yah, i never got the editor to work right |
| 19:57.40 | warmi | I got bored with SC after SC 2 or so |
| 19:57.43 | Neo|Work | mix of 3D and 2D or osmething |
| 19:57.56 | Neo|Work | warmi: I must admit I didn't like SC3 |
| 19:58.05 | Neo|Work | I used to play earlier version but.. |
| 19:58.19 | warmi | I am big fan of games like Age of Kings etc .. |
| 19:58.24 | Neo|Work | frankly, I have more games I have time to play these days. :p |
| 19:58.33 | warmi | frankly, I been playing that game since it came out 2 years ago and I still love it |
| 19:58.58 | warmi | alltough their latest Age Of Mythology sucks .. |
| 19:59.39 | warmi | I just don't get all that excited using armies composed of minotaurs etc .. |
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| 20:02.23 | warmi | what's up with that sudden Yopy interests on Sharp dev boards |
| 20:02.35 | warmi | I thought Yopy was as good as dead |
| 20:02.51 | sjborch | warmi: maybe it's just a nervous twitch. |
| 20:02.52 | mewyn` | it should be |
| 20:03.50 | warmi | well, I don't understand why people are so upset with Sharp |
| 20:04.00 | Neo|Work | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/29419.html |
| 20:04.01 | Neo|Work | joy! |
| 20:04.10 | warmi | I am surprised Sharp is releasing any new models on US market in the first place |
| 20:05.02 | mewyn` | neo: looks like fun |
| 20:05.07 | warmi | after what happened with 5500 |
| 20:05.54 | mewyn` | warmi: at least they realize they can try and get a market, if they just keep at it |
| 20:05.56 | warmi | oh well, bottom feeders are all over MS these days :-) |
| 20:06.31 | ljp_work | glub glub |
| 20:06.40 | warmi | I very much doubt anything will come out from that IBM reference deal |
| 20:07.05 | warmi | so Sharp will be the only game in town |
| 20:07.11 | warmi | as far as Linux pdas are concerned |
| 20:07.30 | ljp_work | why oh why do people on mailing lists have automatic 'out of office' replys |
| 20:07.52 | warmi | ljp_work: hehehe |
| 20:07.53 | chouimat | ljp_work: :) |
| 20:07.54 | mewyn` | ljp: because they are dumb |
| 20:08.01 | ljp_work | warmi: IBM spending 10 million, I think something will come of it |
| 20:08.04 | warmi | perhaps because they ARE out of office ;-) |
| 20:08.05 | mewyn` | let's go rob their house |
| 20:08.34 | warmi | ljp_work: it seems IBM doesn't have a very good track record (recently) when it comes to consumer stuff |
| 20:09.25 | angry | AHHH bill kendrick was slashdotted :) |
| 20:10.55 | ljp_work | wow, that must have been one hot concert |
| 20:11.14 | mewyn` | ljp: that's bad |
| 20:11.17 | ljp_work | </unpolitically correct statement> |
| 20:11.46 | warmi | yeah |
| 20:12.47 | ljp_work | rock bands are dangerous, they should be outlawed |
| 20:13.00 | Zarchon | Anyone know when the 5600 comes out? |
| 20:13.21 | mewyn` | ljp: the sad thing is, they will be |
| 20:13.38 | [George] | fucking mouse |
| 20:13.41 | [George] | I hate my mouse |
| 20:13.56 | mewyn` | i hate it too |
| 20:14.08 | ljp_work | me also, mouse should have more than one button |
| 20:14.13 | [George] | ok, brb - forcing XFree86 to use a s/w cursor |
| 20:14.25 | [George] | ljp_work: My mac is in Germany being repaired... |
| 20:14.27 | ljp_work | who needs mouses |
| 20:14.38 | [George] | brb |
| 20:14.54 | mewyn` | iesh |
| 20:17.49 | Neo|Work | angry: kendrick slashdotted where/how/when? |
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| 20:18.55 | numatrix | Zarchon: nope, I don't think anyone knows yet. |
| 20:19.11 | numatrix | Neo|Work: I'm trying to find out myself; don't see anything obvious on the frontpage. |
| 20:19.35 | Zarchon | pathologically cheap, I am. |
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| 20:20.28 | numatrix | Zarchon: did you see the channel title? Hard to get cheaper than tat. |
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| 20:21.11 | Zarchon | Yeah, it sounds good. I'm just wary of refurbs with weak batteries. |
| 20:21.25 | Zarchon | Haven't heard from anyone who's bought such a refurb, to tell me how refurbed they are. |
| 20:21.38 | George- | anyone here know about DOSBox? |
| 20:21.59 | ljp_work | dosbox? whats that |
| 20:22.28 | George- | ljp_work: 386 emulator with built in dos interpreter and stuff |
| 20:22.35 | George- | ljp_work: that can do accelerated gfx etc |
| 20:24.56 | ljp_work | whats dos? |
| 20:25.16 | George- | no idea |
| 20:25.34 | ljp_work | ahh |
| 20:25.47 | mewyn` | i think i used dos once. Once. |
| 20:25.47 | ljp_work | I have an old lappy that has dos/win3.1 on it |
| 20:26.06 | George- | What _IS_ dos? =P |
| 20:26.28 | mewyn` | the root of all that is wrong and evil |
| 20:26.45 | George- | hrmm |
| 20:26.48 | George- | surely that was gates? |
| 20:35.10 | warmi | ljp_: you mentioned 10 millon - is some of that money going to Trolls ? |
| 20:35.24 | warmi | million even |
| 20:36.26 | ljp_work | I read between 10 and 20 |
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| 20:43.53 | ljp_work | http://www.pdalive.com/showarticle.php?threadid=3091 |
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| 20:45.42 | ljp_work | TT must be sh*tting gold bricks |
| 20:46.01 | icefox | you know what is cool |
| 20:46.11 | icefox | in some markets TT has actually cornered it. |
| 20:46.28 | icefox | Oil comes to mind |
| 20:46.36 | treke | eh? |
| 20:46.49 | ljp_work | yup |
| 20:46.54 | icefox | If you want oil drilling software it is all built with Qt |
| 20:47.01 | treke | interesting |
| 20:47.01 | hobbs | yeah, I bet they're happy. |
| 20:47.13 | ljp_work | and dont forget about gutenbrowser |
| 20:47.24 | treke | ljp_work: we are talking about good software here |
| 20:47.26 | ljp_work | thats made with qt too :D |
| 20:47.29 | ljp_work | hahaa |
| 20:48.14 | ljp_work | they used my quote in their movie, gutenbrowser _must_ be good :D |
| 20:48.44 | treke | <ljp_work> QT is so easy to use, even *I* can figure it out |
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| 20:50.20 | George- | hi nuhduhv |
| 20:50.26 | angry | Neo|Work + numatrix: he submitted the article on IBM using QTopia |
| 20:50.58 | treke | wonder if ibm is using embedix |
| 20:51.00 | angry | well he wasn't on an ibm computer using qtopia when he submitted it |
| 20:51.14 | angry | it was ABOUT the ibm pda using qtopia ;) |
| 20:51.34 | numatrix | angry: Which story was that? |
| 20:52.49 | angry | http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/19/203246&mode=thread&tid=136&tid=137&tid=100 |
| 20:53.05 | ljp_work | treke: not :D |
| 20:53.11 | angry | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.12 | angry | lo |
| 20:53.12 | ljp_work | but thats a good one! |
| 20:53.19 | treke | ljp_work: sweeet |
| 20:53.19 | angry | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.20 | angry | hahahah |
| 20:54.10 | oGMo | heh |
| 20:54.30 | oGMo | slashdot lacks some important moderation scores |
| 20:54.46 | treke | -1 Ass |
| 20:54.49 | treke | muppet |
| 20:54.51 | hobbs | such as "-2 dumbass" ? |
| 20:55.00 | oGMo | like, -1 Stupid, -1 Wrong, -2 Really Fucking Wrong, and +1 Take That Bitch |
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| 20:55.46 | oGMo | hobbs: yeah |
| 20:55.49 | oGMo | that'd be a good one |
| 20:56.08 | hobbs | I like http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=54430&cid=5341024 |
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| 20:59.32 | jbwiv | hey guys. Trying to restore my addressbook.xml on the newest sharp rom after a brief stint on OZ. For some reason, the app won't read it. I can restore it, but when I run address book it shows up blank. Writing to the file works fine (of course, it overwrites my old data). do you know if Sharp has made any modifications to the format, and if they are documented somewhere? I hate to retype all these addresses..... |
| 21:00.54 | George- | kergoth: pppplleeeassee can I join opie-devel? ;) |
| 21:01.02 | gaurdian | were those addresses synced with anything ? if so just sync |
| 21:01.47 | jbwiv | guardian: nope, just scp'd them down to my local machine before flashing the rom. |
| 21:01.59 | Neo|Work | treke: ibm is not using embedix but that other one |
| 21:02.10 | jbwiv | OZ can't sync with Qtopia Desktop, so I was just using scp to backup. |
| 21:02.18 | gaurdian | ouch, no idea then, I always sync before I get creative |
| 21:02.25 | treke | oz can sync with Qtopia Desktop. just not todos |
| 21:02.33 | gaurdian | it cant...dident know that |
| 21:02.41 | kergoth | gaurdian: read. |
| 21:02.45 | kergoth | mailing list archives |
| 21:02.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:03.11 | gaurdian | kergoth ? huh ? |
| 21:03.27 | gaurdian | read the mailing lists for what info ? |
| 21:03.51 | George- | gaurdian: remember, if in doubt, blame it on kergoth |
| 21:03.57 | kergoth | the fact that todo syncing doesnt work has been covered on multiple occasions |
| 21:04.19 | gaurdian | thats nice kergoth , but I dont sync with Qtopia....so..... |
| 21:04.37 | jbwiv | hey kergoth: should I be able to transfer a addressbook.xml from OZ to the Sharp ROM? |
| 21:04.47 | gaurdian | I never bothered to look into it |
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| 21:12.14 | angry | $229 FOR A 5500??? :( thats what i payed for my 5000d |
| 21:12.32 | treke | prices drop |
| 21:12.47 | George- | I payed 300 USD for a second hand 5000D |
| 21:12.53 | oGMo | hehe |
| 21:12.56 | treke | George-: well your a moron |
| 21:13.00 | George- | then I payed 0 USD for my other 5000D :) |
| 21:13.00 | oGMo | i wish i could get em for $99 |
| 21:13.09 | oGMo | George-: ok now you got ripped off there |
| 21:13.24 | George- | oGMo: hrmm, it was ages ago though |
| 21:13.43 | George- | oGMo: and to be honest, it was cheaper than the equivalent iPaq etc |
| 21:13.56 | oGMo | George-: yeah but they were like $300 new from sharp i think |
| 21:14.01 | angry | haha |
| 21:14.06 | oGMo | ah |
| 21:14.49 | George- | oGMo: a) they were only 300 USD at the Linux World Expo (or whatever), 400 USD from Sharp, and c) I'm in the UK |
| 21:15.04 | George- | oGMo: I didn't really have much choice |
| 21:15.19 | oGMo | George-: or on preorder, but... ah |
| 21:15.20 | George- | oGMo: they were mostly going at 450 USD on eBay, and I was _NOT_ going to pay that |
| 21:15.42 | oGMo | importing always sucks ;/ |
| 21:15.54 | oGMo | George-: damn, that's a lot |
| 21:15.54 | George- | yeh |
| 21:16.05 | George- | yup |
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| 21:16.08 | oGMo | i didn't pay that for my 5500 |
| 21:16.26 | George- | but then again, I did spend 300 GBP on a Psion 5 back in the good ol' days when a 18MHz PDA was amazing |
| 21:16.27 | George- | haha |
| 21:16.31 | treke | oGMo: what did you pay? 15 bucks for the baseball bat? |
| 21:16.46 | George- | lol |
| 21:17.16 | oGMo | treke: $7000 for all the necessary tools to raid my local Best Buy at midnight... it was quite a deal! ;) |
| 21:17.26 | angry | lol |
| 21:17.27 | treke | hehe |
| 21:17.45 | oGMo | i think i got it for like $390 or so, which sucked, because the _following monday_ they were $350 |
| 21:17.55 | angry | George-: i thought they were $200 at LWE from sharp |
| 21:18.06 | oGMo | but it was worth it |
| 21:18.15 | treke | I think it was 250 at SF |
| 21:19.07 | gaurdian | kergoth , how much better does the 5600 run than the 5500, and besides memory and cpu, are there any other significant differences ? |
| 21:19.24 | George- | angry: hrmm |
| 21:19.29 | George- | angry: I thought they were 300 |
| 21:20.20 | icefox | We sold them at LWE in SF for $299 last summer |
| 21:21.27 | ljp_work | is sharp going to continue to release updated 5000d & 5500 roms? |
| 21:21.40 | icefox | I hope |
| 21:21.52 | icefox | but hope is like sugar and goes fast |
| 21:22.14 | George- | does kergoth have a 5600? |
| 21:22.31 | icefox | hmm I forget |
| 21:22.41 | icefox | I know we sent one to tkc |
| 21:22.51 | George- | cool, can I have one? ;) |
| 21:23.02 | gaurdian | icefox , can you answer my question ? |
| 21:23.08 | icefox | Whats that |
| 21:23.22 | icefox | battery is the biggest |
| 21:23.22 | gaurdian | how much better does the 5600 run than the 5500, and besides memory and cpu, are there any other significant differences ? |
| 21:23.37 | icefox | on the rest I really can't comment much. |
| 21:23.39 | gaurdian | hmm.....battery much better ? |
| 21:23.40 | icefox | speaker |
| 21:23.45 | icefox | much bigger battery |
| 21:23.49 | icefox | speaker and mic |
| 21:23.54 | treke | gaurdian: reports on the cpu is that it runs better sometimes, worse others |
| 21:23.54 | George- | icefox: are there any plans to release a higher capacity battery for the 5[x]00D? |
| 21:23.59 | icefox | softare is a lot better |
| 21:24.07 | icefox | George-: not that I am aware of |
| 21:24.11 | icefox | but it is replaceable |
| 21:24.13 | gaurdian | wondering if its worth the upgrade, depends on proce I guess |
| 21:24.17 | George- | icefox: or does the 5600 battery fit into the 5500 (without the flap) |
| 21:24.17 | ljp_work | what about other commercial developers? do we get a 5600 also? |
| 21:24.26 | gaurdian | price |
| 21:24.46 | icefox | $500 ish. Don't actually know, but that is what sharp in the past starts them out at |
| 21:24.49 | George- | icefox: does the 5600 have the nifty documents tab that the A300 has? |
| 21:24.52 | ljp_work | how about opie developers, do we get 5600 also? |
| 21:24.52 | icefox | i.e. I havn't a clue |
| 21:24.57 | icefox | George-: yes |
| 21:25.02 | icefox | ljp_work: I hope |
| 21:25.05 | treke | gaurdian: Dont base the upgrade on the cpu, battery life and the ram/flash change is the really cool part |
| 21:25.07 | icefox | see sugar |
| 21:25.11 | George- | icefox: is there any chance sharp will release the code for that? |
| 21:25.15 | icefox | no |
| 21:25.21 | gaurdian | treke, whay is that ? |
| 21:25.23 | kergoth | gaurdian: 64mb of flash is _really_ cool |
| 21:25.28 | kergoth | gaurdian: cpu is going to be comparable. |
| 21:25.33 | icefox | especially when the storage is rw |
| 21:25.34 | kergoth | gaurdian: better in some things, worse in others |
| 21:25.37 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 21:25.39 | icefox | and the ram is all ram |
| 21:25.41 | kergoth | 64mb of rw flash is insane |
| 21:25.49 | treke | gaurdian: because the cpu doesnt change much, but the battery and storage changes are much different |
| 21:25.49 | icefox | except we now use more ram |
| 21:25.51 | George- | kergoth: doesn't the PXA-250 perform slower on many apps than the SA1110? |
| 21:25.57 | treke | 64MB of ram would still be cool :) |
| 21:26.12 | gaurdian | well, still price will be a big factor for me in upgrade |
| 21:26.16 | George- | pah, we want 256MB RAM, and 1GB flash |
| 21:26.28 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 21:26.28 | George- | and chuck a microdrive in there at the same time |
| 21:26.42 | George- | and maybe a nice large 5 billion mAh battery |
| 21:26.53 | chouimat | George-: get a laptop :) |
| 21:27.01 | George- | oh yeh, and a 1600x1200 res TFT screen |
| 21:27.09 | George- | and perhaps a full sized QWERTY keyboard |
| 21:27.30 | George- | and USB... and Ethernet |
| 21:27.36 | George- | built in WiFi and Bluetooth |
| 21:28.00 | George- | and some nice speakers |
| 21:28.05 | George- | microphone? |
| 21:28.18 | George- | 1.5GHz PowerPC processor wouldn't be too bad |
| 21:28.18 | gaurdian | any idea of a price point on it in the US |
| 21:28.18 | treke | George-: nah, I'd rather something that fits in my pocket |
| 21:28.33 | kergoth | gaurdian: he already said itd be around 500 |
| 21:28.34 | George- | treke: it does fit in your pocket! |
| 21:28.51 | gaurdian | ahh...missed that... |
| 21:28.54 | George- | treke: you just need a HUGE pocket ;) |
| 21:29.08 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 21:30.03 | George- | who the hell corrupted ibot with these stupid larts? |
| 21:30.30 | kergoth | its tim's bot, i'd say probably tim |
| 21:30.51 | George- | hrmm |
| 21:33.50 | George- | http://wwwtesting.kde.org/ |
| 21:33.52 | George- | hrmm |
| 21:34.56 | Neo|Work | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-585546,00.html |
| 21:35.06 | Neo|Work | "UK progam urges kids to try oral sex |
| 21:35.06 | Neo|Work | " |
| 21:35.12 | Neo|Work | now that's a.. novel approach |
| 21:35.15 | kergoth | er, wtf/ |
| 21:35.34 | treke | yah know, I dont think you need to spend tax money on that |
| 21:35.35 | George- | Neo|Work: wtf? |
| 21:35.41 | Neo|Work | in an attempt to reduce teen pregnancy rates |
| 21:35.57 | Neo|Work | "More than 100,000 children in the UK are now taking a |
| 21:35.57 | Neo|Work | government-backed course that aims to reduce promiscuity and cut teen |
| 21:35.57 | Neo|Work | pregnancy rates by encouraging pupils to discover "levels of |
| 21:35.57 | Neo|Work | intimacy," including oral sex, instead of full sexual |
| 21:35.57 | Neo|Work | intercourse. So-called family campaigners say the course is having |
| 21:35.57 | Neo|Work | the reverse effect by exciting the sexual interest of children." |
| 21:36.27 | George- | hahaha |
| 21:36.33 | kergoth | big fucking surprise |
| 21:36.36 | kergoth | god people are stupid |
| 21:36.42 | George- | they're so stupid |
| 21:36.57 | phoen][x | :) |
| 21:37.40 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 21:37.42 | TheMasterMind1 | thats awful |
| 21:38.07 | George- | it's ridiculous |
| 21:39.24 | George- | soon they'll be teaching kids in pre-school about sexually transmitted diseases to "shock them into never wanting to have sex" or something stupid like that |
| 21:41.24 | George- | hrmm |
| 21:41.28 | George- | Embedded Linux Standard v.1 |
| 21:44.24 | George- | http://www.sun.com/smrc/photos-sun/downloads/datacenter-gen03s.jpg |
| 21:44.31 | George- | whoa, the things I'd do to get in a place like that |
| 21:46.39 | icefox | hmmm |
| 21:47.27 | George- | weird resolution tho' |
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| 21:47.41 | kendrick | greetings, programs! |
| 21:48.21 | treke | George-: yeah like sit there and watch the machine just work |
| 21:49.47 | kergoth | kendrick: ? |
| 21:49.54 | George- | treke: heh... imagine a beow... ahhh sod it |
| 21:50.04 | kendrick | hey kerg |
| 21:50.14 | treke | George-: what do I look like, your gardener? |
| 21:50.28 | George- | treke: it'd match your skills :) |
| 21:50.51 | kendrick | http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/tuxmath_opts.png |
| 21:50.54 | George- | kergoth: wtf is sod |
| 21:51.03 | kendrick | sod! |
| 21:51.13 | George- | kergoth: blah |
| 21:51.20 | kendrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.24 | kendrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.30 | kergoth | thanks bill :) |
| 21:51.36 | George- | hrmm |
| 21:51.41 | George- | strange |
| 21:51.53 | George- | I was using sod as a drop in replacement for fuck |
| 21:51.55 | mewyn` | george: can you use foomatic with os x? |
| 21:52.03 | George- | which is basically what it means in the UK :) |
| 21:52.09 | George- | mewyn`: no idea, I hate OS X |
| 21:52.17 | mewyn` | ... |
| 21:52.19 | mewyn` | iesh |
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| 21:53.12 | George- | plus, my mac isn't with me at the moment |
| 21:53.17 | George- | so don't ask me to try |
| 21:53.22 | mewyn` | what do you use, os 9? |
| 21:53.25 | mewyn` | *puke* |
| 21:53.27 | George- | Linux |
| 21:55.18 | George- | what else? |
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| 21:56.07 | fishy | George, OS X is sweet |
| 21:56.26 | George- | fishy: ever used it? |
| 21:56.31 | fishy | and if you dont like it... WHY DID YOU BUY A MAC?? |
| 21:56.46 | fishy | George, my GF has an ibook |
| 21:56.52 | fishy | :P |
| 21:56.54 | George- | kergoth: haha |
| 21:57.04 | George- | fishy: show me a PC laptop comparable h/w wise to the TiBook |
| 21:57.32 | George- | lol |
| 21:57.36 | fishy | george, do you mean by looks? |
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| 21:57.41 | George- | fishy: no |
| 21:58.01 | fishy | Dell inspiron 8200 |
| 21:58.19 | George- | great, I really want a huge brick that breaks my back |
| 21:58.21 | George- | BRILLIANT |
| 21:58.25 | George- | with no WiFi |
| 21:58.32 | fishy | George, wrong |
| 21:58.34 | George- | and battery life < 5 hours |
| 21:58.37 | kergoth | but but .. the 8200 is a nice lap heater! |
| 21:58.38 | fishy | internal wifi |
| 21:58.55 | fishy | my battery lasts 6 hours (dual) |
| 21:59.01 | George- | and that stupid intel speedstep shite |
| 21:59.15 | fishy | acording to linux I got 9+1/2 APM hours |
| 21:59.16 | kergoth | I need to pick up a laptop |
| 21:59.21 | George- | I want it to last 5 hours whilst doing CPU/HDD intensive tasks |
| 21:59.26 | George- | (ie - compiling) |
| 21:59.33 | *** part/#zaurus kendrick (nbs@bolt.sonic.net) |
| 21:59.37 | fishy | George, sure |
| 22:00.02 | George- | fishy: and the Inspiron 8200 is huge |
| 22:00.07 | fishy | so? |
| 22:00.15 | George- | what do you mean "so?" |
| 22:00.17 | fishy | nice big screen |
| 22:00.19 | kergoth | the 8200 is a desktop replacement |
| 22:00.21 | George- | I don't want a huge luggable laptop |
| 22:00.26 | kergoth | some people want a portable thats actually small |
| 22:00.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:00.28 | George- | it's HUGE |
| 22:00.30 | fishy | 1600x1400 res |
| 22:00.41 | George- | I don't care... it's huge |
| 22:00.47 | fishy | ermm |
| 22:00.48 | George- | I need to cart my laptop about on a daily basis |
| 22:00.56 | George- | in fact, on an hourly basis |
| 22:01.01 | fishy | I manage to carry it around :P |
| 22:01.03 | George- | along with all my school books etc in the same bag |
| 22:01.21 | George- | after 2 terms of lugging a small-ish compaq presario 12.1" around, I felt terrible |
| 22:01.21 | fishy | you in collage? |
| 22:01.36 | George- | I'm in the UK, we don't have "college" |
| 22:01.43 | George- | I'm in secondary school |
| 22:01.48 | fishy | ok |
| 22:01.51 | Neo|Work | hah |
| 22:01.58 | Neo|Work | enlightenment.com isn't what I expected |
| 22:02.19 | treke | .org |
| 22:02.19 | kergoth | Neo|Work: s/com/org/ :) |
| 22:02.23 | George- | fishy: plus I hate Intel SpeedShite or AMD's PowerNow shite |
| 22:02.37 | George- | fishy: I want my laptop to run at full speed, and get 5 hours |
| 22:02.41 | fishy | George, then buy a sparc laptop :) |
| 22:02.55 | George- | fishy: yeh, great waste of $8000 |
| 22:03.06 | George- | (or however much those *£%"%ers cost) |
| 22:04.10 | fishy | if you have so much money as to be buying ti-books you can afford a sparcbook |
| 22:04.22 | George- | uhm, not relaly |
| 22:04.24 | George- | *really |
| 22:04.33 | fishy | ya |
| 22:04.43 | George- | ... |
| 22:04.46 | fishy | :P |
| 22:04.57 | George- | so basically, you've lost the argument? |
| 22:05.01 | fishy | no |
| 22:05.04 | George- | you can't think of a comparable laptop |
| 22:05.12 | fishy | your just over opiniated!! |
| 22:05.18 | George- | over opinionated? |
| 22:05.24 | George- | I have a specific NEED |
| 22:05.31 | George- | And NO pc laptop FITS THE BLOODY NEED |
| 22:05.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:05.38 | fishy | I TOLD you a comparable (hardware wise) laptop |
| 22:05.44 | George- | yes |
| 22:05.46 | kergoth | will you bastards just agree to disagree and shut up |
| 22:05.48 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:05.53 | fishy | bah |
| 22:05.54 | George- | I believe WEIGHT is part of the hardware =P |
| 22:05.58 | fishy | no |
| 22:06.04 | treke | let's just all agree that George- is a moron |
| 22:06.05 | George- | uhm, yes |
| 22:06.10 | kergoth | treke: i'll agree to that |
| 22:06.14 | George- | treke: we all agreed that long long ago ;) |
| 22:06.42 | fishy | George- hardware = mhz, gb etc etc |
| 22:06.50 | George- | fishy: well, I wouldn't call weight a software thing =P |
| 22:06.55 | fishy | you should have said size AND hardware |
| 22:07.05 | fishy | and give me 1 sec |
| 22:07.08 | George- | hrmm, size != weight |
| 22:07.18 | fishy | and i'll get you a comparable laptop |
| 22:07.33 | George- | oh yeh, I almost forget, I don't endorse Intel |
| 22:07.44 | George- | I refuse to buy Intel based products |
| 22:08.16 | fishy | and what you gonna do if/when apple goes out of busness? |
| 22:08.23 | fishy | become omish? |
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| 22:09.02 | George- | fishy: that will be the day hell freezes over |
| 22:09.10 | George- | fishy: apple have lots of fanatics behind them |
| 22:09.18 | George- | fishy: it's like a /religion/ |
| 22:09.25 | fishy | no its a cult |
| 22:09.48 | George- | so, c'mon, where's this comparable PC based laptop that does use an Intel CPU? |
| 22:09.49 | Neo|Work | yeah, I figured the .org out myself |
| 22:10.10 | fishy | how much does the ti-book weigh? |
| 22:10.18 | George- | fishy: a little over 5 lb |
| 22:10.38 | George- | oh yeh, and it has to be thin, so I can pack my books in the same bag |
| 22:10.51 | George- | I hate carrying books about |
| 22:10.56 | George- | by hand |
| 22:11.00 | George- | I prefer to dump them in the bag |
| 22:11.21 | fishy | hy give up the benefits of a large LCD screen just go mobile! Although only 4.42 lbs. (5.5 lbs with double-capacity battery) |
| 22:11.24 | fishy | why* |
| 22:11.39 | George- | crusoe based laptop |
| 22:11.41 | George- | great. |
| 22:11.51 | fishy | no |
| 22:11.54 | fishy | p-III |
| 22:11.58 | George- | THAT'S INTEL |
| 22:12.04 | George- | ARGH!!! |
| 22:12.11 | fishy | so? |
| 22:12.14 | George- | I mentioned *the name* |
| 22:12.24 | fishy | what did intel ever do to you? |
| 22:12.35 | George- | make shitty products |
| 22:12.41 | George- | that are overpriced |
| 22:13.02 | fishy | nothing compared to overpriced macs |
| 22:13.27 | George- | the tibook isn't overpriced in comparison to equiv spec'd PC laptops |
| 22:13.31 | George- | and the tibook is lighter |
| 22:14.05 | mewyn` | all apples are overpriced over the equivilent PCs |
| 22:14.13 | George- | mewyn`: rubbish |
| 22:14.30 | fishy | yes! |
| 22:14.40 | George- | mewyn`: they may be in the US, but over here in the UK, this tibook was most definitely NOT overpriced in comparison to the equiv spec'd PC laptops |
| 22:14.52 | fishy | heh? |
| 22:15.36 | George- | fishy: so basically you can't find an equivalent laptop to the tibook |
| 22:15.37 | George- | OK, fine |
| 22:15.39 | treke | George-: because in the UK the pc laptops are overpriced also |
| 22:15.48 | George- | treke: oh well |
| 22:15.55 | George- | treke: I suppose we have to live with that =P |
| 22:16.10 | treke | or we could nuke england |
| 22:16.38 | fishy | http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/products/model_inspn_1_latit_x200.htm |
| 22:16.42 | fishy | owned |
| 22:16.44 | fishy | :) |
| 22:16.52 | treke | maybe we'll get lucky and get france also |
| 22:17.02 | George- | fishy: loading |
| 22:17.20 | George- | fishy: ewww.. 12.1" LCD |
| 22:17.30 | George- | fishy: and P-III M |
| 22:17.40 | fishy | ewww its 2.8lbs |
| 22:17.50 | fishy | HALF THE WEIGHT OF your pear |
| 22:17.54 | treke | 12.1 inch is a bit too small for me |
| 22:18.00 | George- | fishy: EWWW.. shared memory gfx card |
| 22:18.04 | fishy | ok then get a i8200 |
| 22:18.06 | fishy | :) |
| 22:18.28 | treke | my compaq works just fine for me :) |
| 22:18.43 | fishy | my dell works more than fine for me :) |
| 22:18.58 | fishy | battey lasts 6 hrs when watching DVDs |
| 22:19.17 | fishy | CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Mobile CPU 1200MHz @ 1196 MHz | Mem usage: 113.7/512.8 mb (22%) | Swap usage: 0.0/495.1 mb (0%) | Disk usage(IC25N020ATDA04-0): 3.5/9.6 gb (36%) | Uptime: 1 hr 31 mins 11 secs |
| 22:19.30 | fishy | linux btw ;) |
| 22:20.34 | treke | fishy: nice :) |
| 22:20.51 | treke | I only get about 3 hours life and only have a 933 |
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| 22:20.59 | treke | but its plenty |
| 22:21.11 | fishy | George- speed step can be disabled :) |
| 22:21.12 | kergoth | fishy: hmm, i like that latitude .. nice unit |
| 22:21.18 | kergoth | too bad im broke :) |
| 22:21.27 | fishy | treke, i got 2 batterys thats why |
| 22:21.29 | treke | kergoth: start selling oz |
| 22:21.34 | treke | fishy: ah. not a bad idea :) |
| 22:21.35 | fishy | nooooo |
| 22:21.46 | mark | warmi: how difficult would it be to scale down puzzle to a smaller screen size? |
| 22:21.49 | treke | usually I can plug it in if I'm gonna be using it over an hour |
| 22:21.58 | fishy | ya |
| 22:22.02 | treke | kergoth: put it on handango for 20 bucks or something |
| 22:22.22 | fishy | the inspiron 8100 has 2 fans |
| 22:22.27 | kergoth | hehe. keep buildroot available nad sell the images? thats evil :) |
| 22:22.30 | fishy | and can get REALLY loud |
| 22:22.40 | mark | kergoth: go for it |
| 22:23.04 | [George] | fishy: great.. and battery life goes down by quite a bit whilst it's at it |
| 22:23.10 | treke | kergoth: nah, give away the images still. Just put them on handango for the people that say "hey this looks cool. lemme try it" |
| 22:23.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:23.18 | fishy | George, heh? |
| 22:23.25 | kergoth | target the ignorant! |
| 22:23.27 | kergoth | good plan |
| 22:23.43 | treke | thats about all they are good for |
| 22:23.54 | fishy | George, I have full control of the fans |
| 22:23.55 | [George] | fishy: about disabling speedstep |
| 22:23.59 | fishy | and CPU speed |
| 22:24.17 | fishy | George, i can go into BIOS at any time and turn it on/off |
| 22:24.19 | treke | fishy: only thing I dont like is having to use ACPI and not APM |
| 22:24.25 | fishy | without rebooting |
| 22:24.34 | [George] | fishy: oh great, I really want to do that |
| 22:24.43 | [George] | fishy: I want it to last 5 hours on FULL SPEED dammit |
| 22:24.50 | [George] | fishy: and not weigh a ton |
| 22:24.51 | kergoth | [George]: dood, nothing is perfect |
| 22:24.54 | kergoth | [George]: just shut up |
| 22:24.58 | fishy | well lemme put it this way |
| 22:25.00 | kergoth | fucking nitpicky |
| 22:25.02 | treke | [George]: that's life. |
| 22:25.03 | [George] | kergoth: hehe |
| 22:25.08 | fishy | my slow speed is your max speed :P |
| 22:25.27 | treke | I want two blondes. Lets see if either of us get what we want |
| 22:25.38 | [George] | kergoth: my tibook could fit all these criteria when I first got it |
| 22:25.57 | fishy | George, and so can the inspiron :) |
| 22:26.17 | [George] | fishy: with 10 tonnes of weight... |
| 22:26.22 | fishy | no |
| 22:26.23 | kergoth | man, i really like that latitude |
| 22:26.32 | kergoth | gotta watch for some dell home or dell SB deals |
| 22:26.50 | fishy | 7.64lbs |
| 22:26.59 | fishy | 2 freakin pounds more! |
| 22:27.02 | fishy | whoopie! |
| 22:27.19 | fishy | if you cant carry 7.5 pounds, then your sad |
| 22:27.23 | [George] | fishy: that's 2 pounds too much |
| 22:27.44 | [George] | fishy: I'm sad? When carrying shitloads of books at the same time, it makes a huge difference |
| 22:27.54 | fishy | no |
| 22:28.09 | mark | [George]: yes |
| 22:28.14 | [George] | mark: hey mark |
| 22:28.15 | fishy | when carrying 30 lbs of books, 2 lbs isnt going to make a diffrence... |
| 22:28.37 | George- | fishy: put it this way.. my compaq _hurt_ when carrying it about |
| 22:28.49 | fishy | then use your zaurus |
| 22:28.58 | George- | oh great, and how am I meant to touch type on it |
| 22:29.00 | George- | fool |
| 22:29.03 | George- | stop bugging me |
| 22:29.03 | treke | the extra weight will do you good |
| 22:29.07 | kergoth | hm, that inspiron laptop for $594.15 deal is still going |
| 22:29.10 | kergoth | nuts |
| 22:29.26 | George- | 594? woot?!?! |
| 22:29.26 | kergoth | celeron 1.6ghz |
| 22:29.33 | kergoth | its not top of the line, thats for sure |
| 22:29.36 | kergoth | but.. $594! |
| 22:29.37 | kergoth | i mean |
| 22:29.38 | kergoth | thats nuts |
| 22:29.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:29.45 | treke | kergoth: fuck, how much faster do you need :) |
| 22:29.51 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 22:29.55 | kergoth | especially for that price |
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| 22:30.09 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:30.10 | mark | kergoth: who from? |
| 22:30.11 | TheMasterMind1 | great stuff |
| 22:30.16 | TheMasterMind1 | gotapex.com |
| 22:30.17 | treke | thats like saying well a p4 2.0ghz isnt top of the line anymore :) |
| 22:30.43 | treke | its still fast enough to melt the wax off my balls |
| 22:30.49 | George- | hah |
| 22:30.53 | chouimat | hi |
| 22:31.11 | kergoth | heh, its $699 normally, still cheap |
| 22:31.18 | kergoth | but $150 m/i rebate, + 15% off |
| 22:31.18 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:31.25 | George- | kergoth: That's a nifty deal |
| 22:31.27 | TheMasterMind1 | but you add cdrw/dvd and some ram and it shoots up to 1k |
| 22:31.28 | kergoth | god thats tempting, even broke |
| 22:31.36 | kergoth | yea |
| 22:32.04 | fishy | george, http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?Palm%20Portable%20Keyboard%20for%20Zaurus |
| 22:32.07 | fishy | NOW STFU! |
| 22:32.08 | fishy | :P |
| 22:32.18 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:32.23 | kergoth | naw, just get a c700 |
| 22:32.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:32.29 | fishy | or that :P |
| 22:32.31 | chouimat | kergoth: go see that site: http://www.hangar-eleven.de/en/ |
| 22:33.02 | George- | fishy: oh yah, the Z only has a 3 hour battery :) and the screen is tiny, and I can't do C++/Qt stuff on it efficiently |
| 22:33.03 | kergoth | chouimat: spiffy |
| 22:33.19 | fishy | kergoth, kick george for me please |
| 22:33.24 | kergoth | George-: c700 + b500 battery |
| 22:33.26 | kergoth | George-: then you can :) |
| 22:33.35 | George- | kergoth: hrmm, how? |
| 22:33.54 | George- | kergoth: does the B500 battery fit in the 5000D?!?!?! |
| 22:34.03 | George- | kergoth: I'd be so happy if it did! |
| 22:34.12 | fishy | your never happy |
| 22:34.16 | fishy | liar |
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| 22:34.28 | George- | fishy: now now, you don't have to get offensive |
| 22:35.27 | TheMasterMind1 | DellSB - PowerEdge 600SC 1.8Ghz Celeron Server with 128MB DDR SDRAM and 40GB 7200RPM HD for $240.85 after MIR with FREE Shipping! |
| 22:35.29 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 22:35.35 | TheMasterMind1 | as cheap as a zaurus |
| 22:35.52 | George- | fishy: oh be quiet ;) |
| 22:36.04 | fishy | sorry i cant do that |
| 22:36.23 | fishy | its against my apple /religion/ |
| 22:37.47 | George- | woot... 1600x1200 LCD 19" at 849 USD |
| 22:38.07 | George- | er.. 879 |
| 22:38.29 | George- | WOW |
| 22:38.38 | oGMo | eh |
| 22:38.47 | mark | George-: thats £879 by the time youve got it over here |
| 22:38.48 | oGMo | you can get dell ultrasharps for like $500-600 |
| 22:38.51 | fishy | thats nice |
| 22:38.59 | George- | 2GHz Xeon, 2x73GB 10kRPM SCSI.... 579 USD |
| 22:39.01 | oGMo | oh yeah, you're in .uk ;/ |
| 22:39.11 | George- | mark: hehe |
| 22:39.24 | George- | but then again.. Intel CPU :( |
| 22:40.16 | mark | whats wrong with an intel cpu |
| 22:40.52 | fishy | mark, dont ask |
| 22:41.07 | fishy | hes just stupid like that :) |
| 22:41.35 | George- | "I bought this computer for my son and he can't get it to printout. He says the paperfeed is all wrong and that it jams every time. My son called over his "computer nerd" friend and the two of them had the same problem. I suggested he call customer service, but he looked at me as if I had told him to go chew off his arm. Anyone have this problem? Any suggestions?" |
| 22:41.39 | George- | hahahahahahahaha |
| 22:41.52 | George- | mark: I have a grudge against intel |
| 22:42.08 | oGMo | intel killed his brother, and now he's going to kill intel |
| 22:42.13 | George- | mark: more expensive and don't perform as well as AMD ones |
| 22:43.16 | fishy | George, ermm... nothing matches a 3.0ghz ht |
| 22:43.52 | oGMo | i bet the SGI Origin 3k i wish i had sitting in my corner would blow the shit out of a 3GHz intel! ;) |
| 22:43.56 | George- | fishy: I wouldn't buy the top of the line one anyway |
| 22:44.51 | George- | oGMo: I bet the 16-way POWER4 I wish I had sitting on my desk would blow the crap out of a SGI Origin 3k ;) |
| 22:45.03 | oGMo | George-: hehe |
| 22:45.06 | fishy | george, ok a 2.8 ghz... happy? |
| 22:45.16 | oGMo | well, maybe, origins scale a long way iirc |
| 22:45.22 | oGMo | depends on what you're doing i guess |
| 22:45.22 | fishy | does that make you feel better!?! |
| 22:46.01 | oGMo | "Intel: The number is higher, so it means it's better!" |
| 22:46.29 | treke | "Apple: its colorful, so it means it's better!" |
| 22:47.12 | oGMo | "AMD: it's got a bigger heatsink, that means it's more powerful!" |
| 22:47.46 | oGMo | "Transmeta: Linus works here, that means it's better!" |
| 22:47.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:48.13 | oGMo | "Microsoft: We said so, that means it's better!" |
| 22:49.35 | fishy | "oGMo: he knows all these better thingd and that means he's better |
| 22:49.41 | fishy | things* |
| 22:49.45 | oGMo | that's right! |
| 22:49.46 | kergoth | s/he/I/ |
| 22:49.47 | oGMo | ;) |
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| 22:51.02 | George- | fishy: no |
| 22:51.15 | fishy | see |
| 22:51.32 | fishy | just like I said, your never happy... |
| 22:51.39 | George- | I am |
| 22:51.52 | warmi | mark: 2 -3 days to port Puzz-le - the code is not the problem , all you need to do is modify graphics itself and couple of defines |
| 22:52.57 | mark | warmi: it'd be very cool.. |
| 22:53.24 | warmi | well, if you wanna do it then do it - I don't have a phone or anything |
| 22:53.28 | George- | mark: porting puzz-le to symbian? |
| 22:53.37 | oGMo | yeah, a kind of "denial of service" attack on zaurus users all over the globe |
| 22:54.07 | warmi | beside , the code is under BSD license |
| 22:54.09 | oGMo | productivity drops through the floor |
| 22:54.10 | treke | hmmm. the tkc list has been quiet this week |
| 22:54.26 | George- | oGMo: that would be j0sh, the 1337 script kiddie from EFNet ;) |
| 22:54.38 | oGMo | George-: hehe, i remember him |
| 22:54.41 | warmi | treke: well, bigBoos been quiet for the last couple of months I guess |
| 22:54.49 | warmi | anyone knows what happen to him ? |
| 22:54.55 | warmi | lost interest in the Zauurs ? |
| 22:54.58 | treke | seen BigBoss? |
| 22:55.09 | treke | ibot, seen BigBoss? |
| 22:55.14 | | bigboss <~shawn@ip68-4-243-218.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 27d 23h 58m 5s ago, saying: 'she had something like 600 virgins killed and bathed in their blood over the years'. |
| 22:55.23 | kergoth | 27 days? wow |
| 22:55.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:55.33 | treke | sugar, Heard BigBoss? |
| 22:56.21 | fishy | can frozenbubble be ported to zaurus? |
| 22:56.38 | treke | fishy: is it opensource? |
| 22:56.59 | warmi | I think it is |
| 22:57.10 | warmi | but I thought there was already port like that |
| 22:57.18 | George- | just play froot |
| 22:57.37 | warmi | yeah, that one |
| 22:57.46 | warmi | perhaps not as sexy graphics wise |
| 22:57.51 | warmi | but the idea is the same |
| 22:58.00 | fishy | i love frozen bubble :P |
| 22:58.11 | Neo|Work | frozen bubble is perl+SDL |
| 22:58.17 | warmi | perl ???/ |
| 22:58.20 | kergoth | perl? egad |
| 22:58.21 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 22:58.22 | warmi | man |
| 22:58.26 | hardwire | EGAD! |
| 22:58.26 | Neo|Work | at lest I believe so |
| 22:58.27 | hardwire | PERL!? |
| 22:58.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:58.36 | warmi | that's like writing database server in VBA |
| 22:58.37 | George- | perl!?!? |
| 22:58.39 | hardwire | inconcievable! |
| 22:58.40 | George- | EGAD! |
| 22:58.41 | George- | lol |
| 22:58.41 | Neo|Work | that is why I never played it |
| 22:58.46 | Neo|Work | looked once, moved on. :P |
| 22:58.51 | kergoth | hardwire: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. |
| 22:59.01 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:59.04 | George- | kergoth: what does it mean? =P |
| 22:59.23 | mark | warmi: i may give it a go at some point |
| 22:59.24 | George- | kergoth: it's 11pm |
| 22:59.38 | George- | mark: what, writing a database server in VBA? :) |
| 22:59.38 | kergoth | George-: go tomorrow :) |
| 22:59.39 | Neo|Work | which word? egad? |
| 22:59.46 | George- | ibot dict egad |
| 22:59.48 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.48 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.48 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.58 | kergoth | Neo|Work: go watch the princess bride as well |
| 22:59.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:00.21 | Neo|Work | I've seen it but I can't remember the reference |
| 23:00.30 | kergoth | vizzini keeps saying inconceivable |
| 23:00.36 | kergoth | "He's climbing the rope!" |
| 23:00.40 | kergoth | "Inconceivable!" |
| 23:00.51 | kergoth | Inigo: "you keep using that word. I do not think it menas what you think it means." |
| 23:01.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:01.01 | oGMo | Neo|Work: er i thought it was a euphemistic corruption of "ye gods" |
| 23:01.15 | oGMo | maybe that's related in some other manner |
| 23:01.25 | warmi | mark: uh I forgot Symbian it doesn't run Qt :-) so it actually might be harder than just scalling stuff - I use Qt collection classes exclusively |
| 23:01.26 | oGMo | kergoth: hehehehehhe |
| 23:01.40 | oGMo | i should get that on DVD |
| 23:01.51 | warmi | for some reason I was under impression that Symbian is just another Qte based platform hehehe |
| 23:02.55 | warmi | warmi: what kind of API symbian uses ? is this C++ ? |
| 23:03.41 | Neo|Work | oGMo: that is from the websters dictionary |
| 23:03.49 | Neo|Work | 1913 version |
| 23:03.52 | oGMo | Neo|Work: yeah figured... odd |
| 23:04.12 | Neo|Work | kergoth: so you meant inconceivable. :P |
| 23:04.20 | kergoth | Neo|Work: :) |
| 23:05.16 | Neo|Work | and I would maintain that yes, codign a game in perl is inconceivable. :P |
| 23:05.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:06.20 | George- | warmi: yeh, symbian uses a C++ api |
| 23:06.25 | warmi | perl, shell scripting etc .. all this stuff is not good for your health |
| 23:06.27 | George- | warmi: or at least, epoc did |
| 23:06.36 | kergoth | warmi: hey! i'm in good health |
| 23:06.40 | kergoth | warmi: not necessarily sane.. |
| 23:06.45 | kergoth | warmi: but thats something else entirely :) |
| 23:06.46 | warmi | kergoth: well, you think you are ... |
| 23:06.47 | warmi | hehe |
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| 23:07.15 | warmi | it is like smoking - eventually it will take its toll .. |
| 23:08.35 | warmi | how common are symbian based phones ? |
| 23:08.43 | warmi | is there market for software for that thing ? |
| 23:08.45 | treke | anthing that kills me quicker is a good thing |
| 23:08.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:09.18 | treke | warmi: dont think they are common in the US |
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| 23:12.00 | Neo|Work | more common in Europe though |
| 23:12.17 | Neo|Work | cell phone market in the US is generall years behind other parts of the world (notable Europe and Japan) |
| 23:12.22 | treke | yeah, I forgot to add that part :) |
| 23:12.32 | warmi | well, I hardly see any "advanced" phones in US at all |
| 23:12.46 | warmi | by advanced I mean devices with a color screen etc .. |
| 23:12.47 | kergoth | I dont want fancy shit in my phone |
| 23:12.52 | warmi | niether do I |
| 23:12.55 | kergoth | I want it _small_, with bluetooth, and a nice display |
| 23:12.58 | warmi | I just want a frigging phone |
| 23:13.00 | kergoth | i'll carry a pda for fancy shit |
| 23:13.00 | treke | thats what I have my ipaq for :) |
| 23:13.03 | kergoth | exactly |
| 23:13.10 | treke | kergoth: hell it doesnt even need a display |
| 23:13.10 | phoen][x | i want a built-in wlan card |
| 23:13.17 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 23:13.20 | kergoth | treke: dial with the ipaq? |
| 23:13.21 | treke | phoen][x: uhm why? |
| 23:13.25 | kergoth | phoen][x: for what? use BT |
| 23:13.32 | warmi | well, I like some sort of display to read numbers etc .. I even use my phone as a watch |
| 23:13.32 | kergoth | phoen][x: chances are it'll only need short range to your device |
| 23:13.42 | kergoth | warmi: yeah, me too, i dont own a watch :) |
| 23:13.50 | Neo|Work | I want a Linux based phone with a nice environment in general :P |
| 23:13.51 | treke | warmi: I would do that if my phone didnt suck so much :) |
| 23:13.59 | phoen][x | kergoth: to hook it up into my local wireless lan (/me is a wlan junkie) |
| 23:14.05 | treke | anytime I have a text message it hides the clock |
| 23:14.18 | warmi | yeah, I have the same problem .. |
| 23:14.19 | Neo|Work | but if the basic phone capabilites and user experience were lacking (such as MS Smartphone0 I wouldn't want it |
| 23:14.21 | treke | and since our server management shit sends tons of them out, its rarely visible |
| 23:14.34 | warmi | let me quess , you got Nokia ? |
| 23:14.36 | kergoth | phoen][x: for what? |
| 23:14.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:14.48 | treke | warmi: yup |
| 23:14.50 | phoen][x | kergoth: for syncing and data exchange. :) |
| 23:14.52 | treke | 8200 I think |
| 23:14.54 | kergoth | phoen][x: bt.. |
| 23:15.02 | kergoth | I love my motorola timeport |
| 23:15.10 | kergoth | but I'd like to get a BT capable phone next |
| 23:15.18 | phoen][x | kergoth: can you wardrive with BT? no :) |
| 23:15.24 | warmi | in some parts of Europe land lines suck so having a cellular is really importand |
| 23:15.25 | kergoth | phoen][x: thats what a pda is for |
| 23:15.29 | treke | phoen][x: its a fucking cell phone :) |
| 23:15.34 | phoen][x | OMG |
| 23:15.35 | kergoth | phoen][x: you add that much crap to a phone, its huge and useless |
| 23:15.38 | phoen][x | forget what i said |
| 23:15.44 | phoen][x | forget everything of it |
| 23:15.44 | kergoth | i already did |
| 23:15.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:15.46 | warmi | on the other hand here in land based phones are dirty cheap |
| 23:15.49 | phoen][x | i was thinking about pda's |
| 23:15.51 | Neo|Work | kergoth: no, then it's a PDA with phone capabilites |
| 23:15.56 | kergoth | Neo|Work: right |
| 23:16.04 | kergoth | which i sure as hell dont want.. some may tho |
| 23:16.14 | Neo|Work | two things to note: outside of US, flat fee phone calls are very rare |
| 23:16.32 | Neo|Work | also, cell phones outside of the US has always been more advanced, had better coverage and saner pricing |
| 23:16.41 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah .. that is a big one |
| 23:17.04 | warmi | I can hang on my phone talking for hours as long as it is local |
| 23:17.10 | Neo|Work | for example in the US you typically pay cell-phone level fees when someone calls YOU |
| 23:17.21 | Neo|Work | so cell to cell calls are really expensive |
| 23:17.27 | warmi | in fact calling POland and sitting on the phone for 2 hours comes to around $20 or so |
| 23:17.35 | Neo|Work | it's all getting better now, but mainly via excessive amounts of minutes per month |
| 23:18.07 | treke | its still easy for people to rack up a 300 or 400 dollar bill by the end of the month if they go over their minutes |
| 23:18.32 | Neo|Work | for a while cell phone calls to outside of sweden (or from using swedish phone I believe) were cheaper by far than land lines. :P |
| 23:18.41 | Neo|Work | that was a mistake/bug/misfeature though. :P |
| 23:18.52 | George- | it's a feature not a bug! |
| 23:19.20 | Neo|Work | in Sweden and the "rest of the world" people get 100, 200, or higher phone bills from using their modems.. |
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| 23:21.52 | warmi | in Sweden just about every bill will be higher ;-) or so I keep hearing |
| 23:22.33 | warmi | well, perhaps not one from your doctor .. |
| 23:22.36 | warmi | :-) |
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| 23:23.29 | mark | warmi: in the pocketPC version didn't you port the Qt collection classes? |
| 23:24.12 | warmi | yeah, I did |
| 23:24.28 | warmi | and things like QRect , QString, QRegExp etc .... |
| 23:24.34 | mark | i could do that to symbian i supopse |
| 23:24.36 | George- | warmi: psychopath :) |
| 23:24.57 | George- | warmi: why don't you just go port the whole of Qt |
| 23:25.02 | George- | ;) |
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| 23:25.46 | mark | Qt/win uses windows drawing primative rather than native windows widgets I presume? |
| 23:26.16 | George- | mark: I presume so |
| 23:26.30 | warmi | of course |
| 23:26.38 | warmi | but no, I don't need entire Qt |
| 23:26.59 | warmi | I wrote my own mini-toolkit with stuff I need for games like transparent windows etc .. |
| 23:27.22 | warmi | I just used Qt collection classes because I like them |
| 23:27.34 | kergoth | warmi: hey whatever happened to that spiffy notes app you were working on back in the day? |
| 23:27.54 | warmi | I still have that on my windows machine - haven't even opened project in like months |
| 23:28.06 | warmi | I don't even remember what I got stuck on there |
| 23:28.15 | warmi | but I do remember I got stuck on something |
| 23:28.29 | mark | warmi: are the transparentw indows actually windows or do you just draw something that looks like a window to the framebuffer? |
| 23:28.29 | kergoth | hehe, just popped into my head, remember you talkin about it |
| 23:28.50 | mark | yeh i remember some spiffy screenies |
| 23:28.55 | kergoth | yea |
| 23:28.58 | George- | notes app? |
| 23:29.01 | warmi | yeah, it is pretty cool I still have the source code |
| 23:29.10 | warmi | if anyone wants to finish it - be my guest :-) |
| 23:29.29 | kergoth | I know my limitations, i suck at GUI/interfaces. not i :) |
| 23:29.41 | warmi | oh I remember know - I was using concept of "pages" and not scrollable window for notes |
| 23:29.45 | George- | warmi: what is it? |
| 23:29.46 | warmi | and that didn't work out too well |
| 23:30.11 | warmi | I had to change it to scrollable window and that was a lot of work so I kind of abandoned it |
| 23:30.55 | warmi | George-: an app where you can type notes and sketch at the same time |
| 23:31.09 | George- | warmi: cool! |
| 23:31.18 | warmi | mark: no , my mini-toolkit works on top of framebuffer so it does everything from scratch |
| 23:31.27 | mark | warmi: i see |
| 23:31.31 | warmi | I have stuff like WR_Windows , WR_Painter etc ... |
| 23:31.41 | warmi | download source code for PPC version of Puzzle and you will |
| 23:31.51 | mark | WR? |
| 23:31.52 | warmi | see |
| 23:32.01 | kergoth | wr, probably his initials |
| 23:32.07 | warmi | well, that's just convention I use when creating my classes |
| 23:32.08 | mark | oh yeh, they are too |
| 23:32.11 | warmi | kergoth: yeah, precisely |
| 23:32.39 | kergoth | its friday, you dont need to be sharp |
| 23:32.47 | warmi | on monday I will release something very cool for the Zaurus |
| 23:32.51 | warmi | you will see :-) |
| 23:32.59 | George- | warmi: tell us! |
| 23:33.10 | kergoth | I should finish the c700 support one of these days.. busy as fuck |
| 23:33.12 | warmi | nah .. it will only be cool for programmers ;-) |
| 23:33.14 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:33.20 | warmi | not for the users |
| 23:33.25 | George- | warmi: oiy! I'm a programmer </lie> |
| 23:33.34 | Neo|Work | hey, got my first commercial app lined up |
| 23:33.37 | treke | warmi: yummy |
| 23:33.44 | Neo|Work | port that is |
| 23:33.45 | warmi | kergoth: yeah .. one lesson is "never try to take more then you can take" because you will burn out ;-) |
| 23:33.48 | treke | Neo|Work: now get HDB lined up :) |
| 23:33.52 | mark | warmi: how are your anigma sales? |
| 23:33.54 | Neo|Work | http://www.dig-concepts.com/index.php?tab=1&pr=6 |
| 23:33.54 | warmi | and eventually lose interest in anything |
| 23:33.57 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:34.00 | Neo|Work | treke: one of many. :-P |
| 23:34.21 | treke | Neo|Work: and start doing gcc 3.2 builds :) |
| 23:34.46 | warmi | mark: slowed down a bit - this is a hit /miss thingy - if you are lucky enough that someone somewhere in some paper reviews your game - you will make a killing |
| 23:35.00 | George- | Neo|Work: uhm, it looks similar to drawpad? |
| 23:35.03 | Neo|Work | treke: I promised to take a look at 3.2 builds as soon as someone built at least a tgz I can uncompress somewhere |
| 23:35.10 | Neo|Work | George-: look closer |
| 23:35.15 | Neo|Work | it's an animation app |
| 23:35.31 | treke | Neo|Work: that looks cool |
| 23:35.32 | George- | Neo|Work: woops, didn't see the animation :) |
| 23:35.47 | warmi | Neo|Work: on PPC - what do they use for animation ? just framebuffer or windows GDI ? |
| 23:35.56 | treke | not sure what it would be handy for, but its nifty |
| 23:36.06 | Neo|Work | it's the 2Dream engin |
| 23:36.10 | Neo|Work | it uses GAPI |
| 23:36.15 | George- | warmi: please stop referring to PocketPC as ppc! |
| 23:36.26 | warmi | George-: hehe .. hurts your feelings ? |
| 23:36.33 | George- | warmi: no, confuses me! |
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| 23:36.35 | George- | ;) |
| 23:36.39 | George- | esp on a friday night |
| 23:36.52 | warmi | usually I at my best on Fridays ... |
| 23:36.57 | warmi | Mondays are the worst |
| 23:37.06 | George- | hah |
| 23:37.25 | Neo|Work | treke: handy for? like nothing? :) |
| 23:37.32 | warmi | treke: why gcc 3.2 builds ? |
| 23:37.36 | warmi | is there a device that uses it ? |
| 23:37.38 | Neo|Work | I see it as a boring-meeting-activity |
| 23:37.43 | warmi | I know kergoth was doing something with it |
| 23:38.03 | treke | warmi: OpenZaurus |
| 23:38.18 | warmi | Neo|Work: it is like one of these things that are just as useless as theya re cute but people still buy it |
| 23:38.27 | warmi | or at least it seems to me to be that kind of app |
| 23:38.43 | warmi | treke: whoa .. you mean by default ? |
| 23:38.48 | Neo|Work | no |
| 23:38.49 | warmi | I thought it was just an option |
| 23:38.52 | Neo|Work | optionally |
| 23:38.57 | warmi | ah ok |
| 23:39.00 | treke | warmi: optionally |
| 23:39.05 | Neo|Work | meaning there will be two builds (well, possibly more but you gert the point) |
| 23:39.20 | warmi | well, nobody ever promised that life will be easy |
| 23:39.22 | warmi | heh |
| 23:39.25 | chouimat | hey warmi |
| 23:39.34 | warmi | hi chouimat |
| 23:39.43 | mark | Neo|Work: whats the tactic for negociating around a fixed fee for ports? :) |
| 23:39.45 | treke | I doubt OZ will default to something incompatible with the zaurus for quite a while |
| 23:39.54 | treke | but I'd really dig cutting over to qt3 and gcc3 |
| 23:40.27 | Neo|Work | mark: fixed fee? as in you paying? |
| 23:40.34 | mark | Neo|Work: yeah |
| 23:40.36 | Neo|Work | my guess, talk to someone else. :P |
| 23:40.39 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:40.43 | mark | Neo|Work: heh |
| 23:40.59 | warmi | time to go to Tribune Gym - do some usefull work for a change |
| 23:41.00 | warmi | see you |
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| 23:41.37 | Neo|Work | I have met three kinds of people: the ones that say "sure!", the ones that say "No, I have no interest of letting you do it but I might do it myself later" and the quiet kind who doesn't answer |
| 23:41.40 | mark | Neo|Work: well they've offered to let me pay in installements, or after a certain number of sales - but if i didn't reach taht number i'd have to pay anyway |
| 23:41.57 | Neo|Work | also the "I don't want to give you my code because I don't trust you etc" but those I usually win over |
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| 23:42.29 | mark | Neo|Work: heh, i've found a corelation between the apparent size of the firm and the 3rd attitude |
| 23:42.50 | Neo|Work | mark: one tip: You won't sell that much. if you get a "pay us this much" contract with installments, make sure to have a clause "if I can't pay, the only thing you (them) can do is to break the deal" |
| 23:43.08 | Neo|Work | how much do "they" want anyway? |
| 23:44.26 | mark | Neo|Work: heh, yeh. they really wouldnt have much chance of getting me to pay even if i could :). they (its some korean firm i cant remember hte name of) wanted $10,000 first, then I explained that i was just me and couldn't afford that, then they asked me to make an offer. which i havent done yet |
| 23:44.37 | Neo|Work | wtf. a game where the goal is to guess right when flipping a coin. talk about worst gmae idea ever |
| 23:44.53 | mark | Neo|Work: oh port that one, please! |
| 23:44.59 | Neo|Work | bascially you have 50% chance to win (unless your "psycic energy" is high enough :-) |
| 23:45.08 | Neo|Work | check for "Heads or Tail" on handango |
| 23:45.33 | Neo|Work | mark: and they are totally against a commission based model? |
| 23:45.56 | mark | Neo|Work: yes, they seem to think i'd do a better job if my money was on the line |
| 23:46.32 | George- | mark: tell them to go stick the program up their arse |
| 23:46.33 | Neo|Work | well, I'd just give up |
| 23:47.00 | mark | Neo|Work: heh, yeh, although I do think golf would do well. ah well |
| 23:47.12 | mark | hah this heads or tail game.. |
| 23:47.50 | phoen][x | treke: there is one but it doesnt work :( |
| 23:47.55 | mark | treke: there is a GPL one floating about isnt there? |
| 23:48.16 | treke | you two obviously missed the part where I said decent :) |
| 23:48.36 | mark | treke: heh |
| 23:52.43 | George- | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=8562A683X5B925E492E2388585D3977X&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=47454§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 23:52.46 | George- | fack, look at the price |
| 23:53.53 | Neo|Work | looks like an odd piece of software to list on a PDA site |
| 23:54.05 | treke | I'd also dig adventure games |
| 23:54.17 | oGMo | George-: hahaha |
| 23:54.25 | Neo|Work | treke: as in 'Fade' (PPC game)? |
| 23:54.31 | treke | hmmm lemme look |
| 23:54.34 | oGMo | lame, i could do that with preexisting ruby tools |
| 23:54.36 | Neo|Work | and I suppose to some degree, HDB? :P |
| 23:54.40 | oGMo | and more formats too |
| 23:55.02 | treke | too some degree hdb |
| 23:56.02 | Neo|Work | fade is the kind of game where you have rendered scenes and yoy solve puzzles and stuf |
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| 23:56.22 | Neo|Work | was going to port it (what I guess is a project lead or whatever, non-programmer, agreed - programmer did not) |
| 23:56.31 | treke | fade looks interesting |
| 23:56.50 | Neo|Work | they said they might do their own port at some point |
| 23:56.55 | Neo|Work | which probably means nothing |
| 23:58.03 | ljp_ | crap crap crapola |
| 23:59.15 | George- | ljp_: psychopath |
