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| 00:55.05 | George- | g'night |
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| 02:26.17 | Locutus4242 | anybody have any opinion on how usefull a external battery sled would be? |
| 02:28.51 | chouimat|tv | Locutus4242: 5months duration |
| 02:29.04 | chouimat|tv | [George]: go back to bed |
| 02:32.43 | Locutus4242 | chouimat|tv: that'd be nice but not likely. :) |
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| 02:55.51 | vhalros | There, that made me feel better. |
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| 03:14.42 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 03:55.02 | _Psycho | yep |
| 03:55.03 | _Psycho | no choice |
| 03:55.25 | _Psycho | i want the 10 pages reports too with it ! |
| 03:55.46 | mspencer | Working on it :) |
| 03:55.51 | _Psycho | instructions for dummy and the cash to buy them ! |
| 03:55.56 | mspencer | http://mspencer.net/battery/ |
| 03:55.58 | _Psycho | well ok maybe not the cash but ! |
| 03:56.00 | _Psycho | cool |
| 03:56.10 | mspencer | Definitely the instructions. You've gotta realize I've never even soldered before. :) |
| 03:56.58 | hardwire | my grandpas name was Myron Spencer |
| 03:57.27 | _Psycho | good, but like look like a lots of stuff ot buy |
| 03:58.16 | _Psycho | at least its at radio shark i can buy easy here |
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| 04:43.45 | SHEENmaster|dead | kergoth: life sucks |
| 04:43.51 | SHEENmaster|dead | kergoth: I think I have a cuncussion. |
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| 04:54.59 | frogman | i'm wondering how i can load usbdnet on bootup. what device is it associated with? usb-uhci goes with usb-controller but i don't know what usbdnet goes with. |
| 04:55.25 | Vhalros | Device? |
| 04:55.35 | frogman | well, whatever it is |
| 04:55.50 | frogman | alias usbdnet ? |
| 04:56.43 | Vhalros | Hmm, I don't think you have to alias it to anything, I didn't. You might try usbd0 though. That is what it shows up as under ifconfig. |
| 04:57.39 | frogman | i know i can just do modprobe usbdnet, but i would like to automate it so i can just put my Z in the cradle and go |
| 04:58.31 | kergoth | frogman: thats what hotplug is for. events occur on plug/unplug to/from usb |
| 04:58.58 | SHEENmaster|dead | frogman: 802.11b is better; just plug the card in and go |
| 04:59.05 | frogman | kergoth: yes, i have hotplug installed, and once i modprobe usdbnet, it works great |
| 04:59.08 | SHEENmaster|dead | frogman: no messy half-written kernel modules either |
| 04:59.09 | Vhalros | frogman: The file you probably want to edit is /etc/hotplug/usb/usbdnet ... This may very slightly under different distros. |
| 04:59.21 | frogman | SHEENmaster|dead: got that going too |
| 04:59.28 | Vhalros | frogman: you can just make that modprobe usbdnet. |
| 04:59.54 | Vhalros | usbdnet unfortunatly seems pretty buggy :( |
| 05:00.29 | frogman | Vhalros: you're probably right that usbdnet is the module for usb0 like eth0 has a module for it depending on type of card |
| 05:01.40 | JasonNJ | sheen: concussion? you bang your zaurus against your head a few times? |
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| 05:19.52 | SHEENmaster|dead | JasonNJ: no |
| 05:20.11 | SHEENmaster | JasonNJ: I fell while running, smacked my head and my Z against the pavement. |
| 05:20.20 | SHEENmaster | JasonNJ: my Z's screen is in 1000+ pieces. |
| 05:20.30 | SHEENmaster | JasonNJ: I think I'm gonna build an mp3 player out of it. |
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| 07:11.45 | warmi | hi |
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| 09:08.11 | paulb | morning |
| 09:09.41 | Twiun[away] | hey |
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| 09:22.40 | raceme | hi all |
| 09:23.11 | paulb | Hello |
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| 10:13.36 | Taim | somebody mind explaining step #9 of the hancom/opera/jeode FAQ on openzaurus.org? |
| 10:13.52 | Taim | because I sure as hell can't figure that step out for the life of me |
| 10:14.21 | Taim | or perhaps it's just the fact that it's 4AM...or something...yeah |
| 10:17.03 | ||ugh | Your on Cental time? Time is werid on the net. Just like no one knows if your a Dog here. |
| 10:17.25 | Taim | true |
| 10:17.28 | Taim | eastern time |
| 10:18.20 | mutexer | its 5 am eastern :) |
| 10:18.31 | Taim | hrmmm |
| 10:18.36 | Taim | okay...5 am then |
| 10:18.46 | Taim | like I said...it's 6AM :) |
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| 10:23.06 | ||ugh | Go to sleep. |
| 10:23.26 | ||ugh | It's only 5:20. goto sleep; |
| 10:38.21 | Taim | argh... |
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| 11:59.55 | [-George-] | back |
| 12:00.10 | [-George-] | bleh, they came to collect my laptop 5 mins ago, and it wasn't packed yet |
| 12:00.10 | [-George-] | lol |
| 12:11.06 | [-George-] | k... It's gone |
| 12:11.30 | George- | I'm stuck on a peecee now |
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| 12:22.43 | George- | 2GB ram in a tibook ;) |
| 12:23.41 | Wintre | And only half of it consumed by OS X itself! |
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| 12:45.35 | George- | lol |
| 12:45.44 | George- | Wintre: stop bashing OS X |
| 12:45.56 | George- | Wintre: I realise that the whole of aqua is uncompressed PICT images |
| 12:46.05 | George- | Wintre: that eats RAM like no tomorrow.. ;) |
| 12:46.28 | George- | anyway, if you don't mind, I'm gonna play Monkey Island |
| 12:50.24 | Wintre | Why should I stop? |
| 12:50.47 | Wintre | It's a free Internet. If you get to rave about how good it is I get to rant about how it sucks :) |
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| 13:31.40 | kolla | did they fix the man pages yet? |
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| 15:41.22 | George- | bleh |
| 15:41.28 | George- | some developers REALLY don't know how to make icons |
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| 15:47.18 | George- | hi ljp |
| 15:47.45 | chouimat | hi George- |
| 15:48.01 | ljp_work | hi |
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| 15:54.36 | chouimat | ~lart George- for not answering |
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| 15:55.44 | George- | hrmm, PocketPC will run on a Psion 5? |
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| 16:16.46 | George- | http://www.google-watch.org/bigbro.html |
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| 16:19.46 | warmi | hi |
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| 16:27.15 | chouimat | [George]: no school? you got expel? |
| 16:27.20 | [George] | "Is it possible upgrade the 17" PB to take advantage of the 128MB ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (or NVIDIA Ti) graphics processors or would it generate too much heat for the PB to handle? Also, recently Apple introduced the superdrive with 4X DVD-R capability in the PowerMacs...any chance that this will trickle down (or up) to the PBs? Anyone knows the answers to these hardware questions?" |
| 16:27.32 | [George] | These people on the Apple Forums are SOOO STUPID |
| 16:27.52 | hardwire | so |
| 16:27.53 | hardwire | uh |
| 16:27.56 | Wintre | Surprise |
| 16:27.59 | hardwire | they just expect to solder mount in a new chip? |
| 16:28.04 | [George] | hardwire: prolly |
| 16:28.08 | [George] | hardwire: a desktop GPU at that |
| 16:28.10 | hardwire | either very stupid |
| 16:28.13 | hardwire | or very smart |
| 16:28.14 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:28.21 | [George] | hardwire: fuck knows how much heat that'd produce, and how much battery power that'd eat |
| 16:28.24 | Wintre | Apples are sold as computers for people who know nothing about computers... Uh... And they know nothing about computers... And you're surprised? |
| 16:28.37 | [George] | hardwire: and sticking a desktop DVD burner into a laptop? How STUPID can one get? |
| 16:28.50 | hardwire | I can get preeeetty stupid |
| 16:28.58 | [George] | Wintre: bleh |
| 16:29.04 | [George] | Wintre: I'm not *that* stupid ;) |
| 16:29.04 | chouimat | huh? there is people that know how a computer work outside EE,CS ? |
| 16:29.16 | [George] | http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?11@84.vDjcaqjkhzF.2@.3bbf7146 |
| 16:29.21 | Wintre | chouimat: Depends upon how you define "work" I would think |
| 16:29.34 | chouimat | Wintre: hehe |
| 16:30.53 | [George] | I still can't believe some idiot asked if he could just shove an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro into a laptop |
| 16:31.15 | Wintre | Error |
| 16:31.15 | Wintre | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.19 | Wintre | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.54 | Wintre | Nicely done |
| 16:32.02 | [George] | ARGH, some idiot is now asking if he can run a 3D flight sim on Virtual PC |
| 16:32.09 | [George] | £(%"$%$ |
| 16:32.24 | treke|ho2e | tell him yes |
| 16:32.27 | [George] | I want to go and rid the world of STUPID mac users |
| 16:32.41 | [George] | treke|ho2e: bleh, that would be evil, Virtual PC isn't cheap ;) |
| 16:32.46 | Wintre | 98% of them? |
| 16:32.57 | treke|ho2e | s/mac users/people |
| 16:33.19 | [George] | http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@84.vDjcaqjkhzF.65780@.3bbf70ed |
| 16:33.20 | [George] | MORON |
| 16:33.28 | chouimat | [George]: by doing that you will eliminate about 99.99% of the world population |
| 16:34.49 | hardwire | yous scaring all the good folk off! |
| 16:34.55 | Wintre | "Local administrator access required" |
| 16:35.31 | Wintre | "Dire X" is pretty funny though |
| 16:35.43 | chouimat | ~lart those asking for unix sysadmin for a windows admin job |
| 16:35.52 | [George] | Wintre: :) |
| 16:36.23 | [George] | chouimat: good. the world of overcrowded anyway |
| 16:36.27 | [George] | s/of/is |
| 16:37.39 | gaurdian | welp. if the creator of knights drops in tell him/her I like it |
| 16:37.59 | [George] | http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@32.3DbsaqwDhAZ.65910@.3bbf6e19 |
| 16:38.01 | [George] | Another f'ing moron |
| 16:38.11 | [George] | bought a powerbook g4 primarily to run a windows app |
| 16:38.15 | [George] | under emulation |
| 16:38.17 | [George] | how stupid can you get |
| 16:38.34 | effy | LOL |
| 16:38.37 | Wintre | You know, George, this is #zaurus, not #whining-about-stupid-mac-users |
| 16:38.50 | [George] | Wintre: It's not like anyone is talking about zauri |
| 16:38.51 | Wintre | I mean whining about stupid Zaurus users might border on the topic |
| 16:39.28 | [George] | Wintre: I'm bored, and when I get bored, I whine, and when I whine, nobody can stop me |
| 16:39.42 | Wintre | I bet the can't |
| 16:39.53 | effy | haha |
| 16:40.08 | effy | that Google-Watch is interesting |
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| 16:44.45 | icefox | http://www.trolltech.com/developer/changes/sitemap.html |
| 16:44.47 | icefox | hahaah |
| 16:44.56 | icefox | their sitemap points to the sitemap |
| 16:45.02 | Wintre | Verrrry nice |
| 16:45.37 | chouimat | hi icefox ... how much snow in NJ? |
| 16:45.53 | icefox | 17" on my roof |
| 16:46.01 | Wintre | Not quite |
| 16:46.07 | icefox | as of last night |
| 16:46.25 | Wintre | The sitemap link appears to be relative. |
| 16:46.47 | chouimat | icefox: 43cm good tempest |
| 16:47.22 | icefox | nice |
| 16:47.26 | icefox | But I am still at work |
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| 16:51.29 | kergoth | yo |
| 16:51.50 | [George] | hey kergoth |
| 16:51.55 | [George] | kergoth: I hate Apple users |
| 16:51.58 | [George] | kergoth: and Apple |
| 16:52.02 | [George] | kergoth: and stupid people in general |
| 16:52.15 | chouimat | ~lart [George] |
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| 16:53.58 | kergoth | hey mark |
| 16:54.06 | [George] | hi mark |
| 16:54.11 | mark | guten tag kergoth |
| 16:54.13 | mark | salut [George] |
| 16:54.15 | icefox | http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/cfu1u.html |
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| 16:58.24 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 17:11.35 | Wintre | icefox: Circular link fixed |
| 17:12.20 | mewyn | ice died |
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| 17:13.22 | [George] | bah, I'm off |
| 17:13.35 | [George] | I can't be bothered to IRC anymore |
| 17:13.36 | [George] | lol |
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| 18:24.25 | frankps | hi all |
| 18:24.38 | victorvdl | Hey. |
| 18:25.33 | victorvdl | Hmm, anyone know of a nice, tiny, simple http proxy server? |
| 18:33.39 | SHEENmaster | victorvdl: there is a php-based http server for the Z |
| 18:33.51 | SHEENmaster | victorvdl: it's in the OZ unstable feed, but I forgot its name |
| 18:34.16 | SHEENmaster | victorvdl: I copied a php-based chat site I'm working to my Z and it displayed with no problems. |
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| 19:17.14 | Twiun | Hi * |
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| 19:17.55 | sheenmaster | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3008649445&category=15030 |
| 19:18.06 | sheenmaster | c700, if only I could use kanji :-( |
| 19:18.47 | mewyn` | you can just load the english translation, or OZ |
| 19:19.06 | sheenmaster | mewyn: but the k/b is in kanji |
| 19:19.23 | mewyn` | no, it is not |
| 19:19.38 | mewyn` | look a little closer |
| 19:19.41 | sheenmaster | mewyn: oh, cool |
| 19:19.43 | mewyn` | it's QWERTY |
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| 19:23.04 | Twiun | hey mark |
| 19:23.12 | mark | hi Twiun |
| 19:23.14 | Twiun | didya get your isp to configure rdns? |
| 19:23.18 | mark | Twiun: how do I find the mac address for eth0? |
| 19:23.25 | mark | Twiun: no, havent got round to it yet |
| 19:24.01 | Twiun | mark: ifconfig? |
| 19:24.09 | sheenmaster | mark: my isp would have me shot drawn and quartered if I asked them for that |
| 19:24.38 | Twiun | sheenmaster: lol, mine were perfectly happy to do it for free... did take them 2 days though (+ a day for propagation) |
| 19:24.47 | kergoth | use ipv6 over ipv4, you can completely control the rdns on your block ;) |
| 19:24.47 | sheenmaster | mark: hell, it's a miracle they haven't gone down to a single ip address and hooked a $40 router up serving all of us.... |
| 19:25.07 | sheenmaster | kergoth: can ipv6 work over the internet? |
| 19:25.20 | sheenmaster | kergoth: would I have to pay extra or some shit? |
| 19:25.28 | kergoth | sheenmaster: you tunnel the ipv6 _over_ ipv4 to a box that _does_ support ipv6 |
| 19:25.32 | kergoth | sheenmaster: and the service is free |
| 19:26.01 | treke|ho2e | "the internet" |
| 19:26.03 | sheenmaster | kergoth: ah, I see |
| 19:26.41 | sheenmaster | kergoth: any hope of a USA/world-wide ipv6 network in the foreseeable future? |
| 19:26.47 | kergoth | treke|ho2e: hehe. thats that big fluffy network cloud that always "goes down" .. "my internet died!" |
| 19:27.08 | kergoth | sheenmaster: who knows. I dont know much about the current status |
| 19:27.22 | kergoth | do the backbones support ipv6 atm? if so its just waiting for support to trickle down |
| 19:28.29 | Twiun | Hooray! my hotmail account has finally been deactivated |
| 19:28.52 | sheenmaster | Twiun: w00t! |
| 19:28.54 | sheenmaster | Twiun: lol |
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| 19:29.28 | sheenmaster | Twiun: I remember a friend asking me to disable the password on his account; I had to reconfigure my browser to send MSIE intification crap. |
| 19:29.31 | mewyn` | there is also no immediate need for an ipv6 internet |
| 19:30.01 | sheenmaster | mewyn`: what about ip block limitations? |
| 19:30.13 | sheenmaster | mewyn`: how many IPs are left? |
| 19:30.24 | treke|ho2e | sheenmaster: 205,423 |
| 19:30.25 | mewyn` | sheen: enough |
| 19:31.32 | mewyn` | ipv6 ipmlementations and working standards are also still concidered experimental |
| 19:31.59 | sheenmaster | mewyn`: did ipv5 just not sound cool enough? |
| 19:32.31 | kergoth | mewyn`: the current ipv6 testing network seems stable |
| 19:32.39 | kergoth | mewyn`: the one implemented by the IETF |
| 19:33.20 | mewyn` | experimental doesn't necissarily mean unstable |
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| 19:33.44 | kergoth | mewyn`: indeed |
| 19:38.40 | SuKoShi | http://www.funforwards.com/flash/september02/saddam.swf <--deadly cynical |
| 19:42.25 | warmi | deadly cynical ? |
| 19:42.28 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:47.07 | Twiun | anyone know where I can find wtf those (not GHz) numbers compare to intel cpus? |
| 19:47.21 | kergoth | .. |
| 19:47.24 | kergoth | what numbers? |
| 19:47.56 | Twiun | Athlon XP 1700+... wtf does that mean speed-wise? |
| 19:48.03 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:48.10 | warmi | it means 1700 :-) |
| 19:48.20 | Twiun | argh. my grammar is going down the drains |
| 19:48.22 | treke|ho2e | its a model number |
| 19:48.40 | treke|ho2e | or name |
| 19:48.41 | warmi | basically equivalent of Intel Pentium 1700 MHz |
| 19:48.47 | Twiun | yah, I realise. I'd like to compare speed for intel/amd versus prices |
| 19:48.51 | SuKoShi | but don't tell intel |
| 19:49.13 | icefox | Cool |
| 19:49.21 | SuKoShi | i had an amd processor only once |
| 19:49.21 | icefox | I just got the usb cable from seralio |
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| 19:49.32 | warmi | well, presumably AMD is not lying and 1700+ MHZ athlon really performs like 1700 MHZ pentium :-) |
| 19:49.34 | SuKoShi | K6-2 350Mhz |
| 19:49.44 | SuKoShi | yes Athlon are powerful |
| 19:49.53 | SuKoShi | but i never tried K7 |
| 19:49.53 | Twiun | I have two amd machines I'm happy with... I preferred nice and simple comparisons :) |
| 19:49.54 | treke|ho2e | 1700 are about 1.4 ghz |
| 19:50.39 | warmi | Twiun: the problem is that while 1500 MHZ athlon performs just as good as 1700 MHZ pentium, most people would go for the pentium just because 1700 seems better :-) |
| 19:50.51 | warmi | that is the same problem Cyrix used to face couple of years ago |
| 19:50.55 | SuKoShi | i've got 1 laptop, 1 subnotebook, 1 standard pc both intel |
| 19:51.47 | Twiun | warmi: gotcha |
| 19:52.19 | Neo|Work | Twiun: nah, I've been working with Stuts. I'm already dead and buried |
| 19:52.25 | kergoth | cyrix. bleh |
| 19:53.18 | Twiun | Neo|Work: lol... half decomposed already? |
| 19:54.35 | Neo|Work | cool, it works |
| 19:54.40 | Neo|Work | meaning it calls the get method. :P |
| 19:54.55 | mewyn` | warmi: you haven't heard anthing today, have you? |
| 19:54.57 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
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| 19:55.09 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: why didn't you just use the normal python gd stuff! |
| 19:55.59 | kergoth | gd? |
| 19:57.44 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 19:57.47 | TheMasterMind1 | the graphics library |
| 19:57.53 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.57 | TheMasterMind1 | he used some weird lib |
| 19:58.02 | TheMasterMind1 | instead of the debian one |
| 19:58.03 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:58.39 | Twiun | that's a funny shade of black :) |
| 20:05.01 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 20:05.02 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't get this |
| 20:05.09 | TheMasterMind1 | in the python test script |
| 20:05.13 | TheMasterMind1 | the gd.RGBA works fine |
| 20:05.19 | TheMasterMind1 | but in hardwires it fails |
| 20:05.23 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.24 | TheMasterMind1 | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'RGBA' |
| 20:06.04 | Twiun | no idea about python, but... semicolons? . operator? |
| 20:06.18 | warmi | mewyn: no, I haven't |
| 20:06.27 | TheMasterMind1 | nope don't need those |
| 20:06.34 | TheMasterMind1 | . is class type thing |
| 20:06.41 | Twiun | just making sure |
| 20:06.43 | TheMasterMind1 | that same exact line works in another file |
| 20:06.44 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 20:06.51 | Twiun | anything missing in the headers? |
| 20:07.07 | mewyn` | warmi: gah. when will they get their act together |
| 20:07.20 | TheMasterMind1 | no, import gd is in both |
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| 20:15.21 | warmi | mewyn: get this - we discussed that today - TMS has 1 CTO + 5 tech directors + 1tech manager . These folks are managing staggering number of developers - 5 devs + 3 system folks - the ratio is amazing |
| 20:17.24 | hardwire | TheMasterMind1: hi |
| 20:17.24 | mewyn` | hrm |
| 20:17.26 | hardwire | I was at lunch |
| 20:17.28 | hardwire | :) |
| 20:17.30 | hardwire | because of the lack of alpha compositing |
| 20:17.31 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: heh |
| 20:17.33 | hardwire | gonna start using PIL soon |
| 20:17.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: oh i see |
| 20:17.36 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: pil? |
| 20:17.42 | hardwire | Python Imaging Library |
| 20:17.45 | hardwire | need to speed test that soon |
| 20:17.46 | TheMasterMind1 | i got it to work, i had to copy over gd.py |
| 20:17.47 | Twiun | warmi: Hahaha |
| 20:17.49 | hardwire | working on sites today |
| 20:17.50 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: nice |
| 20:17.58 | icefox | warmi: is that good or bad? |
| 20:18.05 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: stick your cdb's in svn too |
| 20:18.13 | mewyn` | yah, is it good or bad? :) |
| 20:18.25 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: is the script that makes shp -> cdb in the svn? |
| 20:18.42 | hardwire | TheMasterMind1: yeah tgr2dbf something |
| 20:18.50 | hardwire | there is a _ml for multiline cdb files |
| 20:18.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: ah ok |
| 20:18.58 | hardwire | lookin tools/test |
| 20:19.06 | icefox | For example in the IT world if you admin linux it is unheard of having 1dev/10 users more like 1dev 100users. What should be the ratio for managers for programers? |
| 20:19.08 | hardwire | in tools is the libs you need as well |
| 20:19.10 | hardwire | brb |
| 20:19.14 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: whats special about ml |
| 20:20.03 | hardwire | TheMasterMind1: well.. ml is for multi line cdb files.. so every entry had its own line.. just a speed/size test.. it sucked |
| 20:20.12 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 20:20.13 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:20.14 | hardwire | each subentry I should say |
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| 20:22.27 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: any luck with that transparent compression support? |
| 20:22.32 | hardwire | newp |
| 20:22.44 | Neo|Work | man. progress. |
| 20:22.46 | Neo|Work | whee |
| 20:22.56 | hardwire | however it is pretty fast to store lines with zlib |
| 20:23.05 | hardwire | but I am narrowing down the data |
| 20:23.14 | hardwire | I have it converting floats/longs/strings to appropriate packed binary bits |
| 20:23.16 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:23.20 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 20:23.43 | hardwire | its getting smaller.. and so forth |
| 20:23.53 | TheMasterMind1 | yep, thats awesome |
| 20:23.59 | TheMasterMind1 | its already quite usable |
| 20:24.09 | TheMasterMind1 | the size |
| 20:24.11 | hardwire | also working on a way to pull just what you need from the census.gov site .. dezip and convert |
| 20:24.28 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, thats a good idea |
| 20:24.32 | hardwire | that was just wrong |
| 20:24.50 | TheMasterMind1 | and i can use that to convert all of the tgr files and let people download |
| 20:25.10 | TheMasterMind1 | 15k pixels? |
| 20:25.11 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 20:25.50 | hardwire | heh.. it took a while to montage |
| 20:25.59 | TheMasterMind1 | the more i think about it, the more i think that the storing the tild is useless |
| 20:26.00 | mewyn` | i'm sure it took a lot of ram] |
| 20:26.06 | hardwire | I was doing it so I could draw roads on a rural area for a site I am doing |
| 20:26.10 | hardwire | loots of ram |
| 20:26.23 | hardwire | my 512megs was gone after dealing with the raw rgbness of it |
| 20:26.54 | mewyn` | and more |
| 20:27.03 | mewyn` | how much swap did you use |
| 20:28.23 | Twiun | hardwire: seen that 10mb jpeg map of the earth people use as an imagemap for POVray? |
| 20:28.46 | hardwire | I have been looking for ti actually |
| 20:28.50 | TheMasterMind1 | i've seen a 20mb satellite photo of the WTC |
| 20:28.51 | hardwire | but yes I have seen it |
| 20:29.08 | hardwire | I used to have it and used it to replace the opie-citytime things map |
| 20:29.11 | Twiun | hardwire: I think I remember where it was |
| 20:29.47 | Twiun | hardwire: http://gw.marketingden.com/planets/earth.html |
| 20:29.54 | hardwire | ohdanke |
| 20:30.07 | TheMasterMind1 | tgr2dbf is almost done.. |
| 20:30.12 | hardwire | basically |
| 20:30.25 | hardwire | it just needs to be incorperated into the program for dynamic caching |
| 20:30.33 | hardwire | finle -> convert shpfile now -> chooser |
| 20:30.37 | hardwire | file -> convert shpfile now -> chooser |
| 20:31.10 | hardwire | hmm |
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| 20:31.20 | hardwire | I just started up a new channel for some local friends.. and about 5 germans just joined |
| 20:31.25 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 20:31.56 | TheMasterMind1 | hi 600.439441085 |
| 20:31.57 | Twiun | haha |
| 20:32.08 | hardwire | ok #gct is up on this network |
| 20:32.12 | hardwire | need to contact lilo |
| 20:32.14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm wtf |
| 20:32.32 | TheMasterMind1 | where did tgr2dbf put the file |
| 20:32.37 | TheMasterMind1 | and why isn't it called.. shp2cdm |
| 20:32.42 | hardwire | hehe |
| 20:32.47 | hardwire | ecause I didn't care |
| 20:32.54 | hardwire | ti was a test case |
| 20:33.45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:33.52 | TheMasterMind1 | 7.4mb to 2.1mb |
| 20:33.54 | TheMasterMind1 | with gzip |
| 20:34.22 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: try bzip2 |
| 20:34.55 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:35.09 | TheMasterMind1 | 1.8mb |
| 20:35.10 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 20:35.13 | TheMasterMind1 | but bzip is a cpu hog |
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| 20:57.25 | Twiun | hardwire: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/BlueMarble looks like their ftp site might have a 21kx21k 1km per pixel tiff file :) |
| 20:57.37 | hardwire | of what? |
| 20:57.50 | hardwire | oooooh |
| 20:58.05 | Twiun | that's almost the GTOPO30 data |
| 20:58.22 | hardwire | well |
| 20:58.25 | hardwire | no topo heightfields |
| 20:58.53 | Twiun | I realise it's only land coverage - and it's a sunthesis as well |
| 20:58.58 | Twiun | synthesis |
| 20:59.43 | Twiun | tried using the full gtopo dataset once... this poor machine couldn't hack it :) |
| 21:00.50 | Twiun | painful, mucho painful. 300mb compressed |
| 21:00.55 | hardwire | yeah |
| 21:00.58 | Twiun | and the data is raw |
| 21:01.02 | hardwire | yeah |
| 21:01.02 | Twiun | no normalisation |
| 21:01.03 | hardwire | :) |
| 21:01.05 | hardwire | yeah |
| 21:01.06 | hardwire | :) |
| 21:01.09 | Twiun | yeah, yeah :) |
| 21:01.18 | Twiun | that's why we prefer those purdy images |
| 21:01.56 | Twiun | I wonder how big their pipe is? |
| 21:02.03 | hardwire | snagging at 195KBps |
| 21:02.18 | hardwire | topo.bathymetry.E.21600x21600.gz |
| 21:02.22 | hardwire | scared to snag that one |
| 21:02.26 | hardwire | I don't have enough space |
| 21:02.29 | Twiun | lol |
| 21:02.44 | TheMasterMind1 | images are hard to compress |
| 21:02.53 | TheMasterMind1 | vector data is cooler |
| 21:03.00 | Twiun | hardwire: imagemagick all the way bud |
| 21:03.10 | Twiun | slice'n'dice |
| 21:03.18 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, time to make gct show road names next to road |
| 21:03.32 | hardwire | Twiun: I will run out of swap |
| 21:03.52 | Twiun | hardwire: ram/swap specs? |
| 21:03.53 | kergoth | hmm, time to add c700/b500 support to qt/e |
| 21:04.00 | hardwire | 512megs ram 1 gig swap |
| 21:04.16 | hardwire | Twiun: go to GCT.. keep these freaks out of this unzaurus like conversatino |
| 21:04.16 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:04.20 | hardwire | #gct.. heh |
| 21:04.20 | Twiun | bah. just partition another 2 gigs of swap |
| 21:04.28 | Twiun | lol, sure |
| 21:04.52 | kergoth | wtf, which box was i on when i made oz buildroot use qt/e beta5.. |
| 21:04.58 | kergoth | too many fucking buildroots |
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| 21:05.17 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 21:05.41 | kergoth | oh here it is |
| 21:05.49 | kergoth | oh, i pushed that into bkbits |
| 21:05.49 | kergoth | n/m |
| 21:08.20 | mewyn` | kergoth: you need to get one main dev system :) |
| 21:11.06 | kergoth | mewyn`: no kidding. I need a laptop to do dev on |
| 21:11.26 | kergoth | mewyn`: saw dell had a deal on a low end inspiron, 1.6ghz, 14", for fukcing $650! after rebate |
| 21:11.30 | kergoth | insanity |
| 21:11.30 | Twiun | kergoth: make that a new laptop... this recompiling stuff lark is cpu expensive |
| 21:11.36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whoa, sweet. where? |
| 21:11.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://gotapex.com/ |
| 21:11.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hit up their deals page |
| 21:11.51 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 21:11.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: they keep an eye out for good deals |
| 21:11.53 | kergoth | np |
| 21:11.58 | kergoth | Twiun: yup |
| 21:12.06 | mewyn` | kergoth: yah, but you still need a good dev system |
| 21:12.25 | mewyn` | if i ever get that p4 3.06 you can use the spare cycles :) |
| 21:12.58 | kergoth | thatd be cool |
| 21:13.11 | kergoth | I converted my old 1ghz athlon tbird into a dev box at home, but its at home.. slow upstream |
| 21:13.13 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa, axim for 224 shippsed |
| 21:13.15 | TheMasterMind1 | not bad |
| 21:13.23 | kergoth | which means, i keep copying 24mb initrd.bin's back and forth at 30k/s.. |
| 21:13.29 | kergoth | i spend most my day scp'ing, not dev'ing |
| 21:13.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:13.39 | kergoth | hence the need for a laptop |
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| 21:14.28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: btw, finally found the bug that made our images built from buildroot useless |
| 21:14.36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: -fomit-frame-pointer kills libc6 2.2.4 |
| 21:14.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: b00m |
| 21:14.51 | mewyn` | i guess you need those frame pointers |
| 21:14.56 | kergoth | so my c700 image seems pretty solid now |
| 21:15.02 | kergoth | can finish the qt/e and opie support. |
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| 21:15.11 | kergoth | and i can finish rc3 for collie |
| 21:15.22 | kergoth | treke|ho2e: hows ipaq support atm? |
| 21:15.30 | kergoth | treke|ho2e: worth including images for it in the 3.1 final release? |
| 21:16.15 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whoa, sweet |
| 21:16.22 | kergoth | aha, i love the c700 running horizonal w/ its keyboard |
| 21:16.25 | kergoth | this would be perfect for ircing |
| 21:16.27 | TheMasterMind1 | damn, these are some good deals |
| 21:16.29 | kergoth | i need to add irssi to buildroot now |
| 21:16.31 | mewyn` | kergoth: still got the c700? |
| 21:16.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah i know |
| 21:16.36 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.8ghz xeon |
| 21:16.37 | TheMasterMind1 | i want one! |
| 21:16.43 | kergoth | mewyn`: yea, dunno for how long, need to get the support cleaned up |
| 21:16.56 | mewyn` | tmm: bah, just get a 3.06 p4 |
| 21:17.17 | kergoth | i'd settle for a dual althon xp |
| 21:17.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:17.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: compgeeks.com is also a cool place |
| 21:18.00 | kergoth | DellSB - PowerEdge 600SC 1.8Ghz Pentium 4 Server with 256mb DDR SDRAM and 40GB 7200RPM HD for $379.05 with FREE Shipping! |
| 21:18.03 | kergoth | heh, damn |
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| 21:18.52 | treke|ho2e | kergoth: I'd say wait for 3.2 at least |
| 21:19.06 | treke|ho2e | kergoth: There is way too much untested hardware |
| 21:19.46 | Twiun | kergoth: it's disgusting how cheap stuff is in the US :( |
| 21:20.05 | treke|ho2e | kergoth: on the plus side, I've had zero problems on my ipaq |
| 21:20.12 | mewyn` | twiun: we have an extreme suprlus |
| 21:20.22 | treke|ho2e | dont even think I've had to reboot in the past two weeks |
| 21:20.44 | kergoth | Inspiron 2650C 1.6Ghz Laptop with 14.1" TFT for $656.55 after Rebate with FREE Shipping! |
| 21:20.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:20.52 | treke|ho2e | kergoth: any progress on the non root user stuff? |
| 21:21.01 | kergoth | treke|ho2e: havent had a chance, but i want it in rc3, so soon |
| 21:21.19 | kergoth | man i'm broke |
| 21:21.29 | mewyn` | you're broke? |
| 21:21.31 | mewyn` | pfft |
| 21:21.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:21.40 | kergoth | mortgage and shit man.. |
| 21:21.55 | treke|ho2e | kergoth: at least you have a job :) |
| 21:21.56 | kergoth | in fact, according to my figures.. when a number of bills are autopaid from my account next tuesday |
| 21:22.03 | kergoth | I'll overdraft my checking account .. 2-3 times |
| 21:22.10 | kergoth | whee |
| 21:22.15 | mewyn` | hey, i have less than 8 bucks in my bank account right now |
| 21:23.52 | treke|ho2e | mewyn`: real question is, how much do you have in expenses? |
| 21:24.22 | mewyn` | um, about 570-ish a month |
| 21:24.28 | treke|ho2e | then your fucked |
| 21:24.30 | mewyn` | technically |
| 21:24.46 | mewyn` | 400/mo is to my dad, and that only applies when i'm employed |
| 21:24.55 | mewyn` | 110 goes to car insurance |
| 21:25.01 | mewyn` | 60 to internet |
| 21:25.21 | kergoth | so $170, could be worse |
| 21:25.57 | mewyn` | yah, but still, i need to pay my dad back. he bailed me out by paying off my car loan. |
| 21:26.04 | mewyn` | oh, and school expenses |
| 21:26.14 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:26.21 | kergoth | my parents always owe me money |
| 21:26.24 | kergoth | for some reason |
| 21:26.29 | kergoth | oh yeah, thats cause my dads an idiot |
| 21:26.32 | kergoth | nevermind |
| 21:26.33 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:26.36 | treke|ho2e | dont ask why :) |
| 21:27.12 | kergoth | hm, i need a connector to hook up a 2.5" laptop HD to a normal desktop IDE cable |
| 21:29.00 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 21:29.12 | treke|ho2e | god I'm glad I'm not in tech support. All the money in the world couldnt keep me from being an ass |
| 21:29.19 | TheMasterMind1 | i musta choosen too many goodies |
| 21:29.20 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 21:29.53 | TheMasterMind1 | neotechpc.com has some sexy laptops |
| 21:30.15 | treke|ho2e | the sony's with the 16 inch screens are nifty |
| 21:30.18 | mewyn` | fujitsupc |
| 21:30.21 | treke|ho2e | never would want one though |
| 21:30.22 | mewyn` | fujitsupc.com |
| 21:30.33 | mewyn` | p-2000 |
| 21:30.44 | mewyn` | or it's polar oppisite, the apple 17" pb |
| 21:31.17 | treke|ho2e | i'm one of the people who think a portable computer should actually be portables :) |
| 21:31.35 | chouimat | hmmm a casio be-300 for 150 CAD ... |
| 21:33.06 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, mplayer's done compiling |
| 21:38.10 | kergoth | okay, qt/e TS support for c700 is a breeze |
| 21:38.18 | kergoth | fb shouldnt be too much work, just need Zoom support.. |
| 21:38.23 | kergoth | keyboard is the real question |
| 21:41.28 | sheenmaster | treke|ho2e: apple's 17" is niftier |
| 21:41.34 | mewyn` | treke: well, then the p-2000 is right up your alley |
| 21:41.43 | treke|ho2e | sheenmaster: No it isnt :) |
| 21:41.52 | sheenmaster | treke|ho2e: the "niftyness" is in the supported resolution, not the actualy screensize |
| 21:42.11 | kergoth | heh, niftiness is relative |
| 21:42.21 | mewyn` | what res is the 17" pb? |
| 21:42.31 | sheenmaster | treke|ho2e: I'd take a 12" over a 17" anyday so long as they had the same resolution and other specs |
| 21:42.43 | sheenmaster | mewyn`: http://apple.com/ |
| 21:43.12 | sheenmaster | treke|ho2e: I wouldn't mind my 12" getting 1280x1024 |
| 21:43.21 | kergoth | god i hate 1280x1024 |
| 21:43.23 | kergoth | fucking vesa res |
| 21:43.27 | sheenmaster | treke|ho2e: the 17" is widescreen, you'd need to adjust your ratios |
| 21:43.28 | kergoth | b0rked fucking aspect ratio |
| 21:43.29 | kergoth | pisses me off |
| 21:43.41 | treke|ho2e | I'd rather have a screen that runs at something I can read |
| 21:43.48 | mewyn` | i like the 1280x768 of the p-2000 |
| 21:43.52 | kergoth | well, you can always boost the font sizes |
| 21:43.55 | mewyn` | yah |
| 21:44.11 | mewyn` | the fonts look so much purdier with hig res screens |
| 21:44.18 | chouimat | s/unspected/unexspected |
| 21:44.37 | mewyn` | unexpected |
| 21:44.57 | mewyn` | treke: then get bigger bitmap fonts ;) |
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| 21:45.00 | chouimat | mewyn: :) |
| 21:45.07 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.12 | icefox | :-D |
| 21:45.22 | chouimat | icefox: stop the coffee |
| 21:46.08 | mewyn` | hrm... the 17" apple is 1440x900. not much higher res than the p-2000's 10.6" 1280x768 |
| 21:46.39 | kergoth | chouimat: or he needs more |
| 21:46.42 | kergoth | chouimat: one of the two ;) |
| 21:46.50 | icefox | get a sony widescreen (or even find a rebranded SGI!) |
| 21:47.33 | sheenmaster | icefox: sony has a habit of fucking up their shit |
| 21:47.52 | kergoth | my sony 19" CRT is solid, beautiful display |
| 21:47.52 | sheenmaster | icefox: DRM mp3 rippers and Vaio laptops come to mind |
| 21:48.32 | icefox | The Sony trinitron CRT monitors are fantastic beautiful displays |
| 21:48.36 | mewyn` | i prefer my samsung monitor |
| 21:48.50 | mewyn` | someone would die if they took it from me |
| 21:48.50 | kergoth | icefox: yep |
| 21:48.53 | icefox | It is going to take a heck of a lot (or fire) to make me move to something else |
| 21:49.56 | sheenmaster | mewyn`: my monitor is a piece of crap. Excellent resolution, excellent image quality, but it turns itself off at random intervals. |
| 21:50.04 | sheenmaster | mewyn`: it was free, so I'll deal w/ it |
| 21:50.09 | mewyn` | iesh |
| 21:50.26 | sheenmaster | mewyn`: I just smack it, and it comes back on. |
| 21:50.35 | sheenmaster | mewyn`: sometimes harder than others |
| 21:50.45 | icefox | That was the other thing. Monitors are one of those items you have for years even when you upgrade everything 10 times over. So I put some extra funds into mine. |
| 21:51.06 | mewyn` | perhaps you should get that fixxed |
| 21:51.16 | sheenmaster | icefox: lemme know when you upgrade; I'd like your old one :) |
| 21:51.17 | mewyn` | icefox: yah |
| 21:51.32 | mewyn` | my next monitor is gonna be a samsung 22" |
| 21:51.43 | mewyn` | and a phillips 34" |
| 21:53.48 | sheenmaster | mewyn`: I'd settle for a new Zaurus LCD. |
| 21:54.38 | mewyn` | iesh |
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| 22:08.02 | raceme | hi all |
| 22:08.48 | raceme | I just found that (http://mhonarc.axis.se/jffs-dev/msg00710.html) about putting jffs2 on my sd card. Does anyone know how to deal with a translation driver (1st follow-up) ? |
| 22:19.31 | treke|ho2e | raceme: simple answer is you dont want to put jffs2 on your sd card :) |
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| 22:20.46 | raceme | treke|ho2e: and why that ? |
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| 22:21.13 | George- | hi |
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| 22:24.08 | treke|ho2e | raceme: The two that come to mind are 1) Incompatible with most other devices 2) Written specifically for flash rom 3) There are other compressible file system that probably compress better |
| 22:24.45 | raceme | treke|ho2e: isn't sd/mmc something like flash ? |
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| 22:24.47 | treke|ho2e | I dont know if sd does wear leveling on its own |
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| 22:25.03 | treke|ho2e | raceme: Its something like flash. same as compact flash is something like flash |
| 22:25.33 | ljp_work | flash gordon |
| 22:25.37 | raceme | treke|ho2e: so it should be more optimised than ext2 for example, shouldn't it ? |
| 22:26.46 | [George] | treke|ho2e: I think CF does wear levelling |
| 22:26.58 | treke|ho2e | [George]: Yeah |
| 22:27.04 | treke|ho2e | [George]: I'm saying I dont know if SD does |
| 22:27.24 | raceme | treke|ho2e: so what should i use ? ext2 ? |
| 22:27.30 | raceme | minix ? |
| 22:27.38 | kergoth | minix is limited to 64mb |
| 22:27.44 | treke|ho2e | raceme: I'd vote for msdos myself, but ext2 is a good solution |
| 22:27.53 | [George] | treke|ho2e: well, SD is newer than CF, so I suspect it does |
| 22:27.55 | raceme | so no minix my sd is 128Mb |
| 22:28.07 | [George] | kergoth: minix is limited to a 64MB fs size? |
| 22:28.09 | kergoth | raceme: vfat is faster, but ext2 has links. take your pick. |
| 22:28.11 | kergoth | [George]: yes. |
| 22:28.25 | [George] | wtf? |
| 22:28.26 | raceme | treke|ho2e: if i put msdos, application installed on the sd doesn't work with OZ (even if i call ipkg-link add) |
| 22:28.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth, raceme: minix! |
| 22:28.49 | treke|ho2e | raceme: yup. its a tradeff |
| 22:28.54 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, he already said that |
| 22:28.55 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 22:28.55 | [George] | raceme: what do you want to use it for? if you want to use it to install apps, then ext2 will be the way forward |
| 22:28.56 | raceme | TheMasterMind1: my sd is 128Mb large |
| 22:29.02 | [George] | raceme: many apps use links |
| 22:29.03 | TheMasterMind1 | raceme: yea, same |
| 22:29.08 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid thing |
| 22:29.10 | [George] | raceme: but if you want it for data, then fat is best |
| 22:29.19 | treke|ho2e | I dont put apps on storage cards |
| 22:29.23 | raceme | George-: yes only for apps. ogg & stuffs will be on the CF :) |
| 22:29.54 | [George] | raceme: so ext2 it. :) |
| 22:30.11 | [George] | raceme: I have a 128MB SD, which I use for apps, and a 160MB CF for data |
| 22:30.16 | [George] | the CF is fat and the SD is ext2 |
| 22:30.28 | [George] | I don't notice any troubles with speed |
| 22:30.38 | raceme | do you realise i just spent 2 days searching how to put jffs2 on my sd card, and finnaly i put ext2 :( |
| 22:30.53 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:30.58 | TheMasterMind1 | jffs2 is special |
| 22:31.08 | [George] | raceme: uhm, jffs2 is not for use on SD cards ;) |
| 22:31.16 | [George] | raceme: as TMM1 says, it's special |
| 22:31.23 | raceme | for me it was obvious to use jffs2 as it is designed for flash storage |
| 22:31.38 | TheMasterMind1 | its designed for mtd |
| 22:31.46 | kergoth | right |
| 22:32.17 | treke|ho2e | A very specific type of flash storage |
| 22:32.22 | raceme | yep but as the internal flash is seen as mtd i thought there was a way to see the sd (or the cf) as mtd too |
| 22:32.41 | [George] | heh |
| 22:33.06 | raceme | some speak about very ugly low speed with ext2 on sd ? do you use it synced ? |
| 22:33.27 | treke|ho2e | synced will make it seem slower, but is probably safer |
| 22:33.42 | kergoth | synchronous writes are slow becuase it waits for the entire write to copmlete before returning |
| 22:33.46 | kergoth | it doenst cache it and do the real work later |
| 22:33.59 | kergoth | as treke says, its safe, you can 9within reason), yank the card without ejecting |
| 22:34.18 | treke|ho2e | obviously it cant help you if you yank it while still writing |
| 22:34.18 | raceme | for battery saving, async seems better ? |
| 22:34.34 | treke|ho2e | does get around the problem of "oh the files done, yank" |
| 22:34.35 | kergoth | battery is irrelevent |
| 22:34.55 | kergoth | ibot: seen effy |
| 22:34.59 | | effy <effy@Q108059.ppp.dion.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 5h 54m 51s ago, saying: 'that Google-Watch is interesting'. |
| 22:35.01 | [George] | raceme: it's for performance, not power |
| 22:35.04 | raceme | in case of tmp files, in asynced modes they will not be really written -> battery saving ? |
| 22:35.09 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:35.13 | kergoth | no, battery is irrelevent. |
| 22:35.15 | treke|ho2e | raceme: they will be written |
| 22:35.18 | kergoth | they will be written, just not _immediately_ |
| 22:35.21 | treke|ho2e | raceme: just slightly later |
| 22:35.36 | raceme | ok |
| 22:35.39 | kergoth | ~pester effy-kun |
| 22:35.40 | | effy-kun: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 22:35.40 | ulyx | effy-kun: Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? |
| 22:35.46 | treke|ho2e | raceme: any savings will be way below measurable |
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| 22:36.11 | oGMo | heh |
| 22:36.12 | raceme | ok so i'll try to install xmms+mplayer now i have room on sd |
| 22:36.44 | treke|ho2e | if you really want to save power,turn down the brightness of the screen |
| 22:36.48 | kergoth | hm, i should add irssi to the oz feeds |
| 22:36.58 | raceme | kergoth: yes you should :) |
| 22:37.45 | kergoth | ~lart sharp for not releasing qt/e sources |
| 22:38.07 | [George] | kergoth: doesn't it get written when it's unmounted? |
| 22:38.18 | ljp_work | what do you need to know about sharp's qt/e? |
| 22:38.21 | kergoth | [George]: yes. the point is yanking hte card without ejecting doesnt unmount. |
| 22:38.22 | treke|ho2e | kergoth: what changes are you looking for? |
| 22:38.24 | [George] | (I'm a bit hazy on the subject) |
| 22:38.28 | treke|ho2e | kergoth: scaling? |
| 22:38.38 | kergoth | treke|ho2e: C700 has hardware resolution changing |
| 22:38.45 | [George] | kergoth: I realise that |
| 22:38.46 | kergoth | treke|ho2e: it can "Zoom" to 320x240 for compatibility |
| 22:38.55 | treke|ho2e | nifty |
| 22:39.04 | kergoth | [George]: and enabling sync makes sure the writes occur now, so you can fairly safely yank the card without ejecting |
| 22:39.18 | kergoth | treke|ho2e: so I need qt/e interface to change the resolution via the fb device |
| 22:39.31 | kergoth | treke|ho2e: course desktop supports res changing too, via fbset and the like, so generic support for this would be good |
| 22:39.51 | kergoth | I'd be willing to bet sharp's qt/e isnt generically useful, but would be nice nonetheless |
| 22:40.16 | raceme | i've got a silly question but i prefer to ask: if i install some apps on the sd and i make an upgrade; will upgraded packages be installed on the sd too ? |
| 22:40.56 | kergoth | yes, otherwise you'd have it installed to multiple places at once |
| 22:40.59 | kergoth | which is a very Bad Thing |
| 22:41.12 | kergoth | and ipkg wont like you much if you make that happen |
| 22:41.26 | treke|ho2e | ipkg never liks you |
| 22:41.29 | raceme | kergoth: great. i wanted to be sure... as ipkg seems... well... how to say that... experimental ? :) |
| 22:41.30 | kergoth | good point |
| 22:41.35 | kergoth | yes, ipkg blows |
| 22:41.40 | kergoth | but its all we've got atm |
| 22:42.29 | raceme | btw i was deceipted by the embedded debian conf at fosdem about ipkg and other stuffs |
| 22:42.39 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:42.43 | kergoth | deceipted? |
| 22:43.08 | raceme | kergoth: disappointed ? |
| 22:45.38 | [George] | wtf does decepted mean? |
| 22:45.50 | raceme | well i was looking some very specific talks and it was very generic (debian for server, debian for embedded, debian rules, bla bla bla...) |
| 22:46.01 | kergoth | oh, okay, disappointed is the right word then |
| 22:46.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:46.18 | kergoth | raceme: subscribed to debian-handheld mailing list? it may interest you |
| 22:46.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:46.26 | [George] | kergoth: can I annoy you? I'm feeling bored ;) |
| 22:46.36 | kergoth | ~pester [George] |
| 22:46.37 | | [George]: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 22:46.37 | ulyx | [George]: Can we go to Mt Splashmore? Can we got to Mt Splashmore? |
| 22:46.46 | raceme | kergoth: i'm sick of ml (~200 mails / day atm) |
| 22:46.48 | [George] | kergoth: you're an asshole! =P |
| 22:46.49 | treke|ho2e | [George]: your very presence annoys us |
| 22:47.04 | chouimat | ~lart [George] |
| 22:47.06 | treke|ho2e | 200? man I'd love to get down that low :) |
| 22:47.11 | [George] | treke|ho2e: glad to know it |
| 22:47.23 | kergoth | yeah no kidding, 200 a day would rock |
| 22:47.27 | kergoth | thank god for procmail |
| 22:47.42 | [George] | stop talking about mls.. you're depressing me by reminding me of my lkml posting |
| 22:47.45 | chouimat | [George]: they banned you from school? |
| 22:47.50 | treke|ho2e | I would really hate to see how much raw unfiltered mail I get |
| 22:48.03 | ljp_work | whats procmail |
| 22:48.13 | kergoth | ~lart ljp_work |
| 22:48.23 | ljp_work | ehhh |
| 22:48.39 | [George] | chouimat: holiday |
| 22:48.51 | ljp_work | you know you can eat stinging neddles? |
| 22:48.55 | chouimat | [George]: hehe |
| 22:49.11 | raceme | but i don't dispatch with procmail: everything together in inbox. i dispatch after reading (and purging). or i would never read already dispatched mails... |
| 22:49.29 | ljp_work | mail is overrated |
| 22:49.47 | kergoth | raceme: then thats your problem. use procmail to filter out crap so you dont have to spend so much time reading |
| 22:49.50 | treke|ho2e | raceme: that's your problem. Not everything needs to be read right away |
| 22:49.54 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:50.17 | ljp_work | you guys can read? |
| 22:50.27 | treke|ho2e | If I dont have time to read debian-handhelds, it sits there in its mailbox until I have time for it |
| 22:50.29 | raceme | i know me: if i sort and dispatch in subfolders i'll never read them :) |
| 22:51.00 | treke|ho2e | now somehow my inbox keeps growing, but thats another story |
| 22:51.05 | ljp_work | directories are overrated |
| 22:51.14 | ljp_work | I dump everything in / |
| 22:51.28 | treke|ho2e | except toolchains, which belong in /opt |
| 22:51.40 | ljp_work | yes! /opt ! |
| 22:51.51 | chouimat | ~lart ljp_work |
| 22:52.19 | [George] | toolchains belong in c:\application files\toolchains |
| 22:52.40 | kergoth | ~kill [George] |
| 22:52.41 | | ACTION slits [George]'s throat |
| 22:53.15 | ljp_work | whats c:\ ? |
| 22:53.24 | ljp_work | never heard of that |
| 22:53.32 | [George] | not sure, I was quoting chouimat |
| 22:53.47 | [George] | ask him |
| 22:53.53 | ljp_work | ulyx emulate chouimat |
| 22:54.06 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 22:54.24 | raceme | btw anyone tried irda stuffs like net access with gprs and a mobile phone ? is it usable ? |
| 22:54.36 | [George] | chouimat: what's that got to do with ANYTHING? |
| 22:54.59 | [George] | chouimat: is he your brother or something? |
| 22:55.31 | chouimat | ibot emulate chouimat |
| 22:55.32 | | ulyx lart georges |
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| 23:05.14 | [George] | what's a prismatic battery? |
| 23:05.19 | [George] | (li-ion) |
| 23:09.04 | *** join/#zaurus needhelp_ (~needhelp@Toronto-HSE-ppp3667184.sympatico.ca) |
| 23:09.29 | needhelp_ | Is there any conduit software for linux that works with the zaurus? |
| 23:09.51 | [George] | conduit? |
| 23:10.04 | chouimat | needhelp_: kde or gnome? |
| 23:10.12 | needhelp_ | well like a palm conduit |
| 23:10.31 | chouimat | needhelp_: qtopiadesktop and kitchensync |
| 23:11.09 | needhelp_ | kitchensync. That isn't even beta in my opinion |
| 23:11.19 | chouimat | needhelp_: but it work |
| 23:11.30 | mark | needhelp_: no, hence the releases are called 'alpha' |
| 23:11.54 | needhelp_ | chouimat: mark: have you guys used kitchensync? |
| 23:12.02 | mark | yeh, works well here |
| 23:12.05 | chouimat | yup |
| 23:12.08 | needhelp_ | I can't seem to get that thing to work |
| 23:12.21 | [George] | SuKoShi: like froot? |
| 23:12.28 | SuKoShi | froot ? |
| 23:12.38 | [George] | yeh |
| 23:12.42 | [George] | it's like frozen bubble |
| 23:13.01 | SuKoShi | really!? |
| 23:13.05 | SuKoShi | i check right now |
| 23:13.28 | SuKoShi | not as nice |
| 23:13.36 | SuKoShi | there is a port for Yopy |
| 23:13.53 | raceme | opie-console depends of lrzsz which is not available in testing |
| 23:14.05 | kergoth | raceme: yes.. and..? |
| 23:14.11 | kergoth | it shoudl be in unstable |
| 23:14.17 | raceme | ok |
| 23:30.34 | *** join/#zaurus raceme[z] (~raceme[z]@abidos.raceme.org) |
| 23:31.12 | raceme[z] | irc on the zaurus is insane :) |
| 23:31.23 | phoen][x | nah it's not insane |
| 23:31.42 | phoen][x | i miss the auto-join-list and the autosendcmd |
| 23:33.52 | *** part/#zaurus raceme[z] (~raceme[z]@abidos.raceme.org) |
| 23:34.06 | raceme | this rocks :) |
| 23:34.58 | phoen][x | which client? opie-irc? |
| 23:35.20 | raceme | yep... minimalisst but it works |
| 23:46.45 | needhelp_ | So where did you guys get your kitchensync software? URL? |
| 23:47.01 | kergoth | ibot: kitchensync |
| 23:47.02 | | well, kitchensync is the ultimate syncing tool for KDE3 written by Aliens at the Area 51a ;) or not out yet. or in the kde3 cvs, or at http://www.handhelds.org/~zecke/kitchensync.html |
| 23:49.34 | kergoth | GODDAMN YOU LIBTOOL! |
| 23:49.40 | kergoth | ~lart libtool |
| 23:50.29 | oGMo | look at that dual bot combo! ;) |
| 23:51.19 | [George] | kergoth: cool down ;) |
| 23:51.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:51.25 | kergoth | LIBTOOL_IS_A_FOOL |
| 23:51.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:51.28 | kergoth | so true |
| 23:52.05 | mewyn` | lol |
| 23:52.16 | mewyn` | is that some sort of cpp directive? |
| 23:52.18 | treke|ho2e | <kergoth> GNU sucks |
| 23:52.45 | treke|ho2e | OpenZSD |
| 23:53.20 | kergoth | mewyn`: debian applies a patch to libtool that seds out one of its variables and substitutes that in instead :) |
| 23:53.32 | kergoth | where the fuck is this thing dredging up /usr/lib from? |
| 23:53.35 | kergoth | its linking against a x86 lib |
| 23:53.37 | kergoth | piece of shit |
| 23:53.43 | kergoth | and theres no .la files laying around, i checked already |
| 23:53.45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:54.38 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:55.51 | mewyn` | ~lart the tool |
| 23:56.00 | treke|ho2e | ~lart nayr |
| 23:57.01 | kergoth | hey i'm impressed, irssi has defaults on its autoconf tests |
| 23:57.04 | kergoth | wow |
| 23:57.10 | nayr | eh |
| 23:57.11 | nayr | sup |
| 23:57.25 | treke|ho2e | kergoth: you hate autoconf dont you? :) |
| 23:58.05 | kergoth | me? never |
| 23:58.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:58.18 | mewyn` | crap. time for school |
| 23:59.51 | chouimat | mewyn`: :( |