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| 00:16.49 | mspencer | Hmm...how much current does it need? These NiMH D cells can provide 3 A... |
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| 00:17.59 | nofpu | hm..implement feature or fix bug |
| 00:18.30 | mspencer | And two D cells in parallel can supply 6 A...I should be able to feed it whatever current it needs. |
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| 00:35.11 | mspencer | Then again, if the battery pack is rated at 2000 mAh and it can be discharged in 45 minutes, that's 2 2/3 amps... |
| 00:37.13 | mspencer | Hmm, the Zaurus 5500 can consume 6.2 watts with AC adapter, at 5.0 V DC. It looks like one set of D cells in parallel can supply that easily. |
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| 00:42.37 | mspencer | So it looks like my pack will be two four-D-cell holders back to back, wired in parallel. That gives me 18000 mAh at 4.8V nominal...that energy capacity assumes a 20 hour discharge load, so it assumes 900 mA. 6.2 watts at 5 vdc is 1240 mA, so I'd probably only get something like 16000 mAh -- so using the power numbers from the spec sheet, that battery pack would last a Zaurus 5500 around... |
| 00:43.51 | mspencer | 12 hours. Not bad :) |
| 00:45.09 | mspencer | I wonder how that compares with what a C700 would use... |
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| 00:46.43 | TDT | Is there a file system formatter in the OZ collection? |
| 00:46.52 | TDT | mkfs isnt' there, is there another one? |
| 00:47.18 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:47.21 | kergoth | mkfs is there.. |
| 00:47.24 | kergoth | i dont know what you mean |
| 00:47.37 | TDT | i'll try it again. |
| 00:48.06 | ljp | mkfs.ext2 |
| 00:48.12 | kergoth | or mkfs.vfat.. or whatever |
| 00:48.13 | ljp | or mkfs.dos |
| 00:48.16 | kergoth | mkfs -t blah just runs mkfs.blah |
| 00:48.27 | TDT | yeah, doesn't exist on mine though..odd |
| 00:48.36 | ljp | theres a filesystem called blah? |
| 00:48.37 | TDT | mkfs: No such file or directory |
| 00:48.38 | kergoth | then you dont ahave e2fsprogs |
| 00:48.50 | kergoth | what part of 'mkfs -t blah just runs mkfs.blah' dont you get? |
| 00:48.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:48.55 | TDT | crap, I need to format my sd card |
| 00:48.58 | kergoth | mkfs is just a script, its largely useless |
| 00:49.01 | ljp | the blah part |
| 00:49.21 | ljp | loook in /sbin |
| 00:50.31 | mutexer | Anyone know what Interstellar flames was written in? |
| 00:51.00 | TDT | mkfs.msdos |
| 00:51.02 | TDT | yep, that exist |
| 00:51.17 | kergoth | so run its |
| 00:51.18 | kergoth | run it |
| 00:51.22 | kergoth | whats the problem? |
| 00:51.29 | TDT | nothing now :) |
| 00:51.32 | kergoth | mutexer: c++ |
| 00:51.39 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:51.42 | ljp | hmm |
| 00:51.59 | [George] | mutexer: I'd guess it was C++ |
| 00:52.12 | mutexer | no I mean does it use SDL or just QT or what |
| 00:52.27 | [George] | both I think |
| 00:53.04 | [George] | ok, g'night all |
| 00:53.05 | ljp | need more caffeine |
| 00:53.07 | [George] | see ya kergoth |
| 00:53.15 | ljp | b bye |
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| 01:06.04 | TDT | Anyone have an idea when 1. OZ Release 3 will coem out, and 2. why copying from the tutorial here (http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=31) gives about 2 tons of symlink errors? |
| 01:07.41 | kergoth | um, 1) 3.0 is out |
| 01:07.51 | kergoth | and 2) chances are you're trying to move opt to a vfat sd card, when it needs to be ext2 |
| 01:08.18 | TDT | kergoth`bbl: ok, ext2 then it is - thx |
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| 01:40.46 | TDT | Are there any g++ ports to the zaurus? I see gcc, but does that include c++ too, or just C? |
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| 02:10.15 | mspencer | oh, hey, kergoth...did I miss ya? |
| 02:10.24 | mspencer | I had a C700 question, and heard you might still have one. :) |
| 02:10.40 | kergoth`bbl | yeah you missed me, but i'm back again for a bit |
| 02:10.42 | kergoth`bbl | whats up |
| 02:11.03 | mspencer | I'm trying to build an outboard battery pack for the Dynamism C700 that should be reaching me in two or three weeks... |
| 02:11.21 | mspencer | Do you know what voltage the AC adapter says it outputs? |
| 02:12.23 | mspencer | It sounds like 4 NiMH D cells, at 4.8 V max should be alright, but I don't want to take any chances. |
| 02:12.31 | kergoth`bbl | mspencer: 5.0V, 1.0A |
| 02:12.49 | TDT | hmm..odd, some of the my java apps I just installed won't work |
| 02:13.11 | TDT | also how do I update opie from the command line (opie disabled, so it doesn't crash while trying to update) |
| 02:13.12 | kergoth`bbl | and they wont unless you installed the jeode ipk, assuming you're on OZ still |
| 02:13.14 | mspencer | Sweet. I'll build a pack with two 4-cell holders in parallel, and if I use expensive 9000 mAh cells, I should have no problems ^__^ |
| 02:13.24 | kergoth`bbl | mspencer: let me know how it goes |
| 02:13.24 | TDT | kergoth`bbl: yeah, I like OZ a lot. |
| 02:13.32 | kergoth`bbl | mspencer: you heard you can put a B500 battery in the c700 right? |
| 02:13.38 | kergoth`bbl | mspencer: its like 1800mah |
| 02:13.51 | mspencer | That works -- but this pack is rougly 10 times that. :) |
| 02:13.59 | kergoth`bbl | oh sure, they're not mutually exclusive |
| 02:14.07 | mspencer | oh, good point :) |
| 02:14.08 | kergoth`bbl | :) |
| 02:14.14 | kergoth`bbl | okay im out again |
| 02:14.17 | mspencer | I'll definitely look into that :) |
| 02:14.21 | mspencer | Thanks for the info, take care kergoth ^__^ |
| 02:15.16 | mspencer | Wow...eight 9000 mAh NiMH cells comes to $118....ouch... |
| 02:15.36 | TDT | kergoth`bbl: jeode isn't in my package manager, nor on the zaurus software index site. Do I need to rip that from the original rom or something? |
| 02:17.38 | mspencer | oh now this is annoying...their order page reacts badly with Mozilla, and gives me a javascript popup (please enter only digits, no dashes or spaces) after every digit I type... |
| 02:17.42 | TDT | kergoth`bbl: for that matter, I also need the recorder program from the original rom as well...guess I nee to rip both lol |
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| 02:20.24 | Pendalar_ | kergoth what about if the jeod apps work but the menu's text are gone? (minIDE and wyvern do this at least) |
| 02:20.35 | Pendalar_ | I assume it's a style'ing issue |
| 02:20.52 | Pendalar_ | err appearance whatever.. fonts and crap anyways |
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| 02:27.50 | TDT | I don't have jeode yet, I nee dto get that on here |
| 02:27.58 | TDT | Pendalar_: how did you get geode on OZ? |
| 02:28.22 | Pendalar_ | used the jeod creator ipk on ZSI |
| 02:28.32 | vhalros | Hmm... Is there possibly a replacement for the usbdnet module that like, works :)? |
| 02:28.43 | TDT | where did you get that Pendalar_? |
| 02:28.54 | Pendalar_ | ZSI == killefiz.de |
| 02:29.24 | TDT | ah ok, i'll look for it Pendalar_, thx. |
| 02:29.28 | Pendalar_ | but you have to use that ipk while you have the sharp rom to extract it |
| 02:29.40 | Pendalar_ | then you copy the new ipk it makes to OZ |
| 02:29.47 | TDT | ah crap |
| 02:29.53 | TDT | do you still have yours with you? |
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| 02:30.14 | Pendalar | probably but due to copyright issues, sending it would be considered warez |
| 02:30.33 | Pendalar | and I don't care to go to jail for something that would take you all of 20 minutes to do yourself ;-) |
| 02:31.00 | TDT | yeah, I suppose that's correct...although I don't see why it matters since we both have a zaurus lol, but sometime I'll have to reinstall the old rom to do it. oh well |
| 02:31.49 | Pendalar | because you have a right to a backup of your own software, not others's software |
| 02:31.57 | Pendalar | it's per license not per object |
| 02:32.10 | TDT | yeah |
| 02:33.33 | TDT | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=92 -- a little easier than reflashing lol, I'll try this |
| 02:33.35 | mspencer | [02/16 20:29] <+kinzillah> mspencer: you realize my pentium III laptop runs for 6-7 hours on a 5400mAh li-ion battery... |
| 02:33.55 | mspencer | Hmm..OK, maybe my outboard battery pack idea might be a touch overkill...:-) |
| 02:34.19 | TDT | lol |
| 02:34.34 | TDT | my battery lasts me a good 1.5-2 hours with it on with light. |
| 02:35.10 | mspencer | and this pack's C/20 capacity will be 18000 mAh...something tells me it'll last a bit longer than 20 hours. :) |
| 02:36.03 | TDT | man if I can get my recorder too, I would be very happy |
| 02:36.11 | TDT | I like to record my math lectures again |
| 02:36.13 | mspencer | recorder? |
| 02:36.21 | mspencer | oh, yeah, I bet so :) |
| 02:36.38 | TDT | yeah, it was on the original image...I like recording the lectures because I can't understand anything while he's saying it lol |
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| 02:36.49 | TDT | I have too much of a problem keeping up with his speed writing |
| 02:36.53 | mspencer | Does that app compress while it records? |
| 02:36.56 | Pendalar | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=521 is what you should have used |
| 02:37.54 | TDT | Pendalar: I wish I could...but I spent the last 5 hours getting OZ back on this thing and set up. |
| 02:38.20 | TDT | Pendalar: The last thing I really want to do at this point is screw it up...lol, although I wouldn't midn doing it so I can store it later, but I don't really have a choice. |
| 02:38.31 | TDT | I still have homework to do tonight, but this thing is priority for me to get done. |
| 02:38.40 | Pendalar | next time use unison to backup before ;-) |
| 02:38.52 | Pendalar | less painless to recover from flashing |
| 02:39.02 | TDT | mistake wasn't from flashing :-x |
| 02:39.07 | TDT | it was from me being stupid lol |
| 02:39.33 | TDT | I store all my programs, settings, etc on my SD card. |
| 02:39.50 | TDT | I found some links not created, so I wanted to do it, and remove the directories on the SD card, and relink it. |
| 02:40.01 | mspencer | ouch... |
| 02:40.14 | TDT | When I deleted the directories on my SD card, it deleted directories on my root as well..making it unusable. |
| 02:40.16 | mspencer | I can see the pain at the end of this story already... X__X |
| 02:40.28 | TDT | i wasn't happy lol |
| 02:40.42 | TDT | I had homework settings I didn't sync before hand...I have to put it all back in there. |
| 02:41.05 | TDT | trying to finishit up as painless as possible so I can get other stuff done and get some sleep tonight lol |
| 02:41.20 | TDT | I have an extremely long day tomorrow, I can't spend too much time on this lol |
| 02:41.35 | Pendalar | I keep making the mistake over overfilling root, and that slows it down for some reason |
| 02:42.21 | Pendalar | every time I install a new app to SD or CF, I lose ~50k ish on root... so after a point I get screwed over.. need to do the image with more root space |
| 02:42.28 | Pendalar | but I like the initial speed |
| 02:43.25 | TDT | yeah, I made some static links this time (formatting sd card to ext2, making all simlinks), although I still lose some space, it's not that bad |
| 02:44.01 | TDT | I have about 2.5 megs left on the root |
| 02:44.30 | TDT | 64 megs total memory, and have about80 megs left on the SD card |
| 02:44.48 | TDT | I have a 128 meg SD card I stuff everything on, and a 256 meg CF card I stuff the rest of my stuff on. |
| 02:44.59 | TDT | I went a bit overboard on the memory on this device lol |
| 02:45.03 | SHEENmaster | TDT: reversed here |
| 02:45.11 | SHEENmaster | TDT: 256mb sd and 128mb cf |
| 02:45.34 | Pendalar | after you get down to about 1mb on root, something starts slowing down |
| 02:46.05 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: couldn't you just move /opt to the sd card |
| 02:46.08 | SHEENmaster | ? |
| 02:46.20 | TDT | SHEENmaster: yeah, I don't instlal enough programs to need SD fully...the CF card I use to stuff most of my movable stuff on |
| 02:46.32 | TDT | I have a CF card reader for the computer which I can send and receive info to it. |
| 02:46.57 | TDT | SHEENmaster: I linked my /opt directory, but it doesn't show much different...I also flashed with the 52 memory - 12 storage...weird |
| 02:46.59 | Pendalar | I suppose but I'd rather use a proven system |
| 02:47.04 | SHEENmaster | TDT: same, a usb one that appears as a scsi drive to Linux |
| 02:47.16 | Pendalar | I'm not interested in messing anything up |
| 02:48.29 | TDT | I wonder why my 12 meg thing is kinda weird |
| 02:48.41 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: it is only through mindless experimentation that we can better our world, or royally fuck it up |
| 02:48.42 | TDT | I'm gonna take some SS, maybe you two can help me determine what's up with it if you two don't mind |
| 02:49.30 | Pendalar | I need my pda in working order, not randomly trial and error'ing to make a better system |
| 02:51.52 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: just keep a tarball of /opt on your SD card along w/ all your files so that you can restore should anything screw up |
| 02:52.53 | TDT | http://server.thedarktrumpet.com/snap2.png |
| 02:53.39 | Pendalar | I keep a unison daily copy of the whole damn thing on my CF |
| 02:53.44 | Pendalar | jic |
| 02:53.48 | TDT | one didn't save correctly, going to retake it - one sec |
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| 02:55.28 | TDT | http://server.thedarktrumpet.com/snap1.png |
| 02:55.42 | TDT | Do you two know why it says that? I had it with a 12 meg storage |
| 02:55.59 | TDT | zImage-5500-52memory-12storage.bin -- that's the one I used |
| 03:00.49 | Pendalar | take a snap of the next tab |
| 03:02.29 | SHEENmaster | if anyone cares I'm making a feed for OZ-compatible software that for one reason or another isn't in the OZ feeds. |
| 03:02.36 | TDT | which tab Pendalar ? |
| 03:02.54 | TDT | snap2 is of the storage I believe, and snap1 is of the total memory |
| 03:05.28 | Pendalar | sheenmaster my feed will be up by next weekend |
| 03:05.56 | Pendalar | I'm not sure why it says that TDT |
| 03:05.59 | Pendalar | seems to not add up |
| 03:06.08 | TDT | yeah, dunnno...it's odd |
| 03:06.27 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: mine'll be up within the hour so sppllllllt! |
| 03:06.42 | TDT | what are you two uploading? |
| 03:07.07 | Pendalar | yeah but mine will have probably 50x the number of apps you do |
| 03:07.13 | Pendalar | and I have to rebuild most of them |
| 03:07.16 | Pendalar | so =-P |
| 03:08.54 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: lol |
| 03:09.10 | Pendalar | I used 40memory one |
| 03:09.11 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: at best you'll have 50x my bandwidth :-) |
| 03:09.33 | Pendalar | it's at a ISP, not sure what it is really |
| 03:09.38 | Pendalar | it works well enough so far |
| 03:09.53 | Pendalar | if it it's not I can move it to the 100gb per month transfer box |
| 03:10.01 | Pendalar | you guys use more than that and you can f'kin donate some money |
| 03:10.03 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 03:10.11 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: I have a dedicated server. |
| 03:10.36 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: on an unlimited usage, if low bandwidth, box |
| 03:10.43 | Pendalar | I have 5 + webserver, but I'm only going to use 1 for this project |
| 03:11.21 | Pendalar | I can't believe so many people can't build ipkgs right |
| 03:12.30 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: true |
| 03:12.40 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: do you happen to have a working kaffe package? |
| 03:13.12 | Pendalar | package whoring are we? j/k dunno I have whatever is availible can't say I've used/tested all the apps I'm upping |
| 03:13.54 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: I'm testing all the apps that I upload. |
| 03:13.57 | Pendalar | hrm not a ipk only let me check other file formats |
| 03:14.03 | Pendalar | I have a life ;-) |
| 03:14.08 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: and I have 100mb/s bandwidth to my server :) |
| 03:14.34 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: I on the other hand, rarely have a life. |
| 03:15.03 | Pendalar | is that gpl? |
| 03:15.15 | Pendalar | I don't see it in my non commercial space |
| 03:15.24 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: I think there is an OSS version and a commercial one. |
| 03:15.30 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: not sure which was ported |
| 03:15.41 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: the one in the OZ/unstable feed is broken |
| 03:15.48 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: seriously broken |
| 03:16.21 | Pendalar | I don't see it let me do a find |
| 03:17.25 | Pendalar | apparently not |
| 03:19.29 | omoore | SHEENmaster: Pendalar: you two still active in here? |
| 03:20.48 | SHEENmaster | omoore: I am |
| 03:20.56 | Pendalar | always |
| 03:21.04 | Pendalar | with what little I can help with |
| 03:21.08 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: who was bragging about having a life!? |
| 03:21.13 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: hypocrite! |
| 03:21.24 | Pendalar | well I'm married and have a child... that's about as far as it goes |
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| 03:22.33 | Pendalar | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=kaffe == nada |
| 03:24.22 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: there is a package in OZ |
| 03:24.29 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: lemme find it |
| 03:25.15 | TDT | man after about a 1/2 hour, I think I got it |
| 03:25.24 | TDT | talk about problems getting jeod here |
| 03:25.45 | TDT | I don't have any scripts for the sound player, man it's gonna be impossible getting that off the rom image |
| 03:26.21 | Pendalar | jeod works fine except some menu's don't work, but that's probably a appearance setting, going to try excluding styling on jeod later to see if it helps |
| 03:26.32 | Pendalar | kergoth prob knows already but since he's not here =-P |
| 03:27.23 | omoore | SHEENmaster: back :).. |
| 03:27.47 | omoore | SHEENmaster: had a question for you and Pendalar... who do you (dedicated) host with? |
| 03:28.19 | SHEENmaster | omoore: myself :-) |
| 03:28.29 | omoore | SHEENmaster: and wondered if you've head good/bad with these folks... http://www.valueweb.com/dedicated/dedicated-servers/cobalt-raq.htm |
| 03:28.36 | omoore | SHEENmaster: your own t1? |
| 03:28.45 | SHEENmaster | omoore: my own cable connection :-) |
| 03:28.49 | TDT | man why |
| 03:28.58 | omoore | oh. .i have cablemodem... |
| 03:29.05 | SHEENmaster | omoore: I have access to two T1 lines from school. |
| 03:29.11 | SHEENmaster | omoore: but they don't know it. |
| 03:29.18 | omoore | oh.. nvr mind then |
| 03:29.24 | Pendalar | various ISPs from CA, US to GA, US to .NL |
| 03:30.16 | omoore | looking to co-locate or dedicated host with someone.. looking for a good one who doesn't cost alot (ok. .maybe those dont go together) |
| 03:31.29 | Pendalar | heh |
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| 03:31.40 | Pendalar | I prefer not to colocate.. I have trust issues |
| 03:32.01 | TDT | I guess I need to take Pendalar's suggestion and try to just reflash and install it all |
| 03:32.05 | TDT | or get them that way |
| 03:32.18 | Pendalar | not having any luck with mounting the rom thing? |
| 03:32.42 | omoore | co-locate = you provide box... not share with others |
| 03:33.12 | TDT | Pendalar: got it to mount, got it to create the ipk successfully, but I still can't run squat |
| 03:33.16 | omoore | co-locate = i provide hardware, dedicated = they provide hardware, in bot cases.. they provide power/bandwidth |
| 03:33.25 | Pendalar | omoore that depends on what you want sometimes |
| 03:33.37 | Pendalar | I have co-located sharing the box use / bandwidth |
| 03:33.51 | Pendalar | I guess that's technically co-co-located, but that just shoulds stupid |
| 03:34.18 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: co-co-located is where you sell "cheap routers" for $5/piece yet retain root access. |
| 03:34.20 | omoore | you know of reliable hosting services for either (true) co-loc or dedicated who are not real expensive |
| 03:34.21 | omoore | ? |
| 03:34.25 | Pendalar | haha |
| 03:34.41 | Pendalar | I generally pay for nothing omoore ;-) |
| 03:34.51 | Pendalar | you need to branch out and meet cool people hah |
| 03:34.54 | omoore | looking for something <=$100 .. k.. i've got a list of about a dozen.. |
| 03:35.16 | omoore | well.. i don't want it to be a 'favor' :) |
| 03:35.34 | omoore | cause i want to be able to hold feet to fire if something isn't right |
| 03:35.47 | omoore | a bit hard to hold a free provider's feet to fire |
| 03:36.15 | Pendalar | I generally dislike fire, and opt for central heating and air |
| 03:36.38 | omoore | heh |
| 03:36.47 | omoore | gotta go.. my sweet wife calls.. later |
| 03:37.07 | Pendalar | whipped ;-) |
| 03:38.40 | TDT | Pendalar: when you had the original sharp rom, were you able to get the sound recorder? |
| 03:39.12 | Pendalar | which sound recorder program? |
| 03:39.21 | Pendalar | I tried zmeeting once, didn't work with my headset |
| 03:39.40 | TDT | Pendalar: the one for recording converstaions with the zaurus, I can't remember which is the name of it |
| 03:39.56 | Pendalar | zmeeting is like NetMeeting sort of proggy |
| 03:40.38 | TDT | Pendalar: Is there anything that's a straight sound recorder? not a netmeeting program. |
| 03:41.26 | TDT | it's called "voice recorder" |
| 03:41.31 | Pendalar | let me check.. ZSI is a bit slow at the moment |
| 03:42.19 | TDT | k |
| 03:43.08 | TDT | they have a command line mp3 player, not sure if that will work well or not |
| 03:43.14 | Pendalar | sheen if the feed thing doesn't pan out donate the bandwidth to ZSI ;-) |
| 03:43.23 | Pendalar | mplayer you mean |
| 03:43.24 | TDT | I wish I could get the gui one again lol..less cpu cycles. |
| 03:43.33 | TDT | mp3recorder, my mistake |
| 03:44.11 | Pendalar | all I see is the FLITE thing atm |
| 03:45.57 | SHEENmaster | Pendalar: sorry, but I'm using it for http://frob.us/ |
| 03:46.22 | TDT | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=841 |
| 03:46.28 | TDT | That's the only recorder it comes up with |
| 03:47.01 | Pendalar | true TDT |
| 03:47.17 | Pendalar | I looked up 'record' and most of them were like for the GO game |
| 03:47.52 | TDT | yeah...*sigh* |
| 03:48.11 | TDT | only bad part when i went to OZ is the fact that some of my stuff doesn't quite work the same. |
| 03:48.19 | TDT | Maybe I need to just get the command line adn see how it works |
| 03:48.26 | Pendalar | can't say I've seen the site before, I'll poke around in a bit |
| 03:48.48 | Pendalar | yes the speaker and other devices have a truer linux standard setup |
| 03:48.50 | TDT | although if it takes up too many cpu cycles and shortens the battery life below 50 minutes, then it's worthless for me. |
| 03:48.53 | Pendalar | rather than sharp's hacked modules |
| 03:50.32 | TDT | although not having that presenter program is also bothersome. does the presenter program that comes with the original sharp rom play powerpoint presentations? |
| 03:50.54 | TDT | a lot of my classes now use powerpoint presentations, in powerpoint format. |
| 03:51.12 | Pendalar | that is the point, although it's one of those 'ymmv' things |
| 03:51.20 | TDT | ymmv? |
| 03:51.30 | Pendalar | I think certain plugins don't work and want not, and there's a size limit, but generally yes |
| 03:52.08 | TDT | ah ok. |
| 03:52.10 | Pendalar | your mileage may vary |
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| 03:57.29 | godsmoke | how does one manually configure their xp desktop to make a connection with the zaurus without qtopia desktop? |
| 03:58.05 | godsmoke | like just for ftp and so forth |
| 03:58.35 | Pendalar | I just use FileZilla to do a sftp connection and swap files back and forth |
| 03:58.58 | godsmoke | no, you need to tell the desktop to connect to the network through the USB port first |
| 03:59.05 | godsmoke | look at the question |
| 03:59.23 | godsmoke | qtopia desktop makes a config in windows to do it |
| 03:59.52 | TDT | some people are kinda rude |
| 04:00.38 | Pendalar | heh |
| 04:00.54 | Pendalar | it depends on what kind of connection you want actually but anyways |
| 04:01.05 | Pendalar | and you didn't say usb |
| 04:01.16 | godsmoke | yes, of course it depends, ok, let me restate myself |
| 04:01.26 | TDT | ...lol |
| 04:01.32 | Pendalar | ;-) you don't need to just don't get pissy with the free help |
| 04:01.49 | Pendalar | anyways go to your network settings and change the zaurus ip to... hold up |
| 04:01.56 | godsmoke | I want to set up the network connection on the xp desktop to connect over usb to the zaurus |
| 04:02.06 | godsmoke | I've already done the setup on the zaurus end |
| 04:02.19 | Pendalar | 192.168.129.1 |
| 04:02.36 | TDT | I think godsmoke would be almost better off with a wireless router and wireless CF card lol. |
| 04:02.42 | TDT | That's what I use and man it is nice. |
| 04:02.47 | Pendalar | then you should be able to freely ftp, sftp, telnet, ssh whatever daemons you happen to be running on the Z end |
| 04:02.57 | godsmoke | well, theres a long story with that TDT |
| 04:03.00 | Pendalar | yep if you don't mind the batter drain |
| 04:03.04 | godsmoke | a reason why I cant |
| 04:03.04 | Pendalar | +y |
| 04:03.24 | godsmoke | Pendalar: ok, we are miscommunicating, forget it |
| 04:03.40 | TDT | lol Pendalar true, although I dont' run it off the battery too long..I just got to bed writing stuff into the zaurus and browse the internet. |
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| 04:03.57 | TDT | then plug it in and go to sleep...I feel like sleeping now |
| 04:04.02 | godsmoke | my question had nothing to do with setting up the zaurus |
| 04:04.08 | godsmoke | which, I've already done |
| 04:04.20 | godsmoke | but xp requires an actual "network" be set up through USB |
| 04:04.25 | Pendalar | I didn't say anything about setting up the zaurus |
| 04:04.27 | godsmoke | which it's refusing to do atm |
| 04:04.36 | Pendalar | I told you to what to set the winxp network zaurus entry to |
| 04:04.48 | TDT | ./ignore *!*@66.93.85.21 :) |
| 04:04.48 | godsmoke | urgh |
| 04:05.00 | Pendalar | heh |
| 04:05.20 | Pendalar | anyways live long and prosper... and go to www.openzaurus.org and memorize the faqs |
| 04:05.21 | TDT | wow zgcc takes forever to install |
| 04:05.22 | godsmoke | I'm so glad so have seen where this community has gone |
| 04:05.46 | TDT | godsmoke: we help people who are nice...and respect others, not get angry and complain over things. |
| 04:05.52 | Pendalar | I took your vague technological terms (which each one can mean 1 to a dozen things) and guessed as to what you want |
| 04:05.54 | TDT | godsmoke: no offense to you, but you need to be nicer to us. |
| 04:06.00 | gaurdian | TDT , do is it in zip or is there a ipk of it now ? |
| 04:06.02 | Pendalar | if you are that saavy, you should have found it in some faq |
| 04:06.13 | Pendalar | there's both gaurdian |
| 04:06.18 | TDT | gaurdian: ipk, which is great |
| 04:06.18 | godsmoke | it's not on any faq because i don't think anybody has done it |
| 04:06.20 | Pendalar | well and the cramfs thing as well |
| 04:06.22 | gaurdian | sweet, where is the ipk at ? |
| 04:06.36 | Pendalar | ZSI |
| 04:06.41 | TDT | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=761 |
| 04:06.46 | gaurdian | cool, whats tht url again ? |
| 04:06.46 | Pendalar | TDT: have you used the zip version? |
| 04:06.48 | TDT | I wonder about g++ though. |
| 04:06.50 | gaurdian | thnks |
| 04:06.54 | TDT | Pendalar: no, just the ipk |
| 04:07.02 | Pendalar | pity, I generally use the .zip one |
| 04:07.20 | TDT | Pendalar: do you have c++ working on the zaurus? |
| 04:07.32 | Pendalar | I did before I flashed OZ onto it |
| 04:07.43 | TDT | cool, how did you do it? |
| 04:07.44 | Pendalar | now I have the .zip version, and can't find the 'info zip' utility the guy used |
| 04:07.48 | gaurdian | what do I need besides the ipk ? |
| 04:08.00 | Pendalar | other unzip's can't unzip it because of some sort of wacked compression he used |
| 04:08.13 | TDT | ah |
| 04:08.14 | Pendalar | so you need that particular version, which was at sourceforge but no longer |
| 04:08.28 | Pendalar | so I was hoping you had a copy of it from long ago or a mirror |
| 04:08.35 | TDT | I would love to get g++ working |
| 04:08.48 | Pendalar | gaurdian that should be it besides qtopia programming |
| 04:08.50 | TDT | I program in c++ way more than C |
| 04:08.56 | Pendalar | that will just be like console programming.. not gui |
| 04:09.13 | TDT | Pendalar: is there a way to do gui programming on the z too? |
| 04:09.23 | kergoth`bbl | um, gcc can compile c++ code. all g++ does different is implicitly links in libstdc++ at link time |
| 04:09.26 | Pendalar | yes but it's a bit messy |
| 04:09.31 | Pendalar | hey kergy |
| 04:09.35 | kergoth | yo |
| 04:09.35 | Pendalar | let me find the file tdt |
| 04:09.50 | TDT | kergoth: so zgcc should compile c++ code too? |
| 04:09.52 | Pendalar | I have it here but firewall issues, no DCC'ing |
| 04:09.55 | Pendalar | yes |
| 04:10.00 | TDT | very cool |
| 04:10.02 | gaurdian | according tho the info it only works with the OZ ROM, does it work on sharp rom also ? |
| 04:10.27 | TDT | Pendalar: how big is it? |
| 04:10.39 | Pendalar | kergoth what should I tweak to get jeod apps to work in which the problem is the menu texts are missing |
| 04:10.41 | Pendalar | *blush* |
| 04:10.52 | Pendalar | 20mb ish I think before the qtopia stuff |
| 04:10.55 | gaurdian | do you know Pendalar ? |
| 04:11.08 | Pendalar | no telling, still trying to get that info unzip program again |
| 04:11.21 | Pendalar | gaurdian the zip version just dumps to some dirs, and you add it to your path |
| 04:11.25 | Pendalar | so I don't see why it wouldn't |
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| 04:11.44 | TDT | i don't know why I'm bothering with this, I may have to reflash so I can get the other apps from the main system. |
| 04:11.51 | gaurdian | I am talking about the ipk version |
| 04:11.51 | TDT | like the word, and stuff. |
| 04:12.19 | Pendalar | I know, it should perform the same |
| 04:12.38 | TDT | jeod even doesn't work lol |
| 04:12.49 | TDT | that's almost a must because I do a lot of java programming too. |
| 04:13.16 | Pendalar | http://www.geocities.com/jmurff1/files/QtOnTheZ.txt |
| 04:13.40 | Pendalar | it does work, wyvern and minide start up just fine, it's just the menu texts are gone |
| 04:15.04 | TDT | jeod doesn't work with how I got it |
| 04:15.16 | TDT | i clicka java app and it just flat doesn't work |
| 04:15.31 | TDT | annoying lol, especially considering no build errors happened |
| 04:16.16 | Pendalar | check logs, dmesg etc |
| 04:17.18 | TDT | lol |
| 04:17.30 | TDT | I have a feeling when I followed the instructions on that one faq site that it iddn't work out. |
| 04:17.39 | TDT | something I missed, or something just flat didn't go right, I don't know |
| 04:17.39 | kergoth | heh, sorry, was on the phone. |
| 04:17.50 | kergoth | missing menu texts eh, i havent heard of that one |
| 04:17.53 | TDT | but I think the jeod ipk ended up foobared or something. |
| 04:17.55 | kergoth | you tried different styles? |
| 04:18.09 | kergoth | (i.e. QPE instead of liquid or what have you) |
| 04:18.22 | TDT | kergoth: I can't run java apps, I followed the FAQ and "ripped" jeod from the rom, and packaged it like it told me to |
| 04:18.29 | TDT | but in the end, my java apps still don't work. |
| 04:19.07 | Pendalar | that's what I'm thinking but not sure if I can exclude the jeod on the last appearance tab |
| 04:19.22 | Pendalar | which file to exclude, it says binary only so I can't do it per .jar |
| 04:19.45 | TDT | yeah, my menu doesn't even say jeod |
| 04:19.53 | TDT | But i tried running it via the command line too, no go |
| 04:20.18 | TDT | spent a half hour just to find out that it wouldn't work was annoying to say the least :P |
| 04:20.22 | Pendalar | it's easier to backup, flash sharp, rip, flash oz, import backup |
| 04:20.35 | Pendalar | prob same amount of steps but faster |
| 04:20.55 | kergoth | TDT: are you on 3.0? |
| 04:20.57 | TDT | yeah, I may not have a choice - but what about the word program? according to the FAQ, a lot of stuff needs to be done to include these extra libraries. |
| 04:21.05 | TDT | kergoth: 3.1 r2 or something like that |
| 04:21.07 | kergoth | oz 3.0 has _known_ qtopia compatibility issues |
| 04:21.13 | kergoth | rc2 shouldnt have any probs |
| 04:21.31 | Pendalar | I installed the hancom libs it creates as well as the hancom word, and poof it works |
| 04:21.57 | TDT | I may have to just do that...but manI would hate to have to. |
| 04:21.57 | TDT | lol |
| 04:21.58 | Pendalar | kergoth is the download link to rc2 still rc2-1 or rc2-2 now? |
| 04:22.03 | kergoth | .. |
| 04:22.16 | Pendalar | I upgraded so it really doesn't matter anyways, but just out of curosity |
| 04:22.16 | kergoth | it was 3.1rc1, then when rc2 released it was rc2 |
| 04:22.19 | TDT | not sure why I have such an issue...I bet my ipk is just foobared. |
| 04:22.40 | Pendalar | so there's no way to get rc2-2 without buildroot then |
| 04:22.47 | kergoth | i dont know what you're talking about |
| 04:22.51 | kergoth | there is no rc2-1/2 |
| 04:22.53 | kergoth | its rc2. |
| 04:22.55 | kergoth | period. |
| 04:23.01 | kergoth | it was rc1, then it was rc2. |
| 04:23.03 | kergoth | thats it. |
| 04:23.06 | Pendalar | well when I upgrade the oz-base, that's what it seemed to imply |
| 04:23.10 | kergoth | rc3 is in development |
| 04:23.23 | Pendalar | but I'll check it in a bit, after I get my wife to stfu ;-) |
| 04:23.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:23.33 | kergoth | know how that is |
| 04:23.33 | Pendalar | tc guys |
| 04:24.10 | kergoth | alright bbl, Im gonna wipe this windows box and throw linux back on it, havent used it for its intended purpose of gaming in months anyway |
| 04:25.12 | TDT | me zaurus is taking forever, going afk for about 15 minutes, it may be done by then |
| 04:25.30 | gaurdian | anyone running qtmail on there Z with OZ ? |
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| 04:39.02 | TDT | gaurdian: I was in the past |
| 04:39.09 | TDT | I'll prolly install it again. |
| 04:40.19 | gaurdian | cool, so it was working ok, I might have to do that, btw, the gcc ipkm wont work on sharp rom :) |
| 04:40.25 | gaurdian | just tried |
| 04:41.31 | TDT | hmm...odd |
| 04:41.36 | TDT | I can't call g++ |
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| 05:09.03 | SHEENmaster | ~lart all those damn blokes that can't make a damn app w/out fucking up their user's Zs |
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| 05:18.28 | gaurdian | TDT , I noticed that also |
| 05:19.59 | TDT | I tried..lol |
| 05:20.00 | TDT | 2 times |
| 05:20.10 | TDT | a simple helloworld app in C doesn't even work, lol |
| 05:21.34 | TheMasterMind1 | c and g++ ? |
| 05:21.50 | TDT | I tried a C app, and a C++ app with the ipk, neither worked |
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| 05:22.54 | mspencer | what error does it give? |
| 05:23.07 | TDT | something about a bad installation |
| 05:23.19 | TDT | with the g++, it didn't even exist |
| 05:23.34 | mspencer | are there many error messages? Does it say it can't find files, or that the programs themselves don't even exist? |
| 05:23.34 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, the gcc ipk |
| 05:23.37 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, thats a pos |
| 05:24.20 | TDT | I want to try the zip files, but the link on the tutorial/faq site is broken |
| 05:24.43 | TDT | and so far no one has the zips, or the actual InfoZip that the author uses |
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| 05:27.15 | TDT | oh well...off to bed. If anyone has the zip files please let me know, I would like to get ahold of them if possible. |
| 05:27.31 | Bob256 | does any one use IRK |
| 05:27.32 | Bob256 | ? |
| 05:30.05 | Bob256 | Or better yet, a Poketop ir keyboard? |
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| 05:50.25 | warmi | hi |
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| 08:13.36 | Pendalar | man dev's are stupid |
| 08:13.39 | Pendalar | sometimes anyways |
| 08:14.05 | Pendalar | I have 2 versions of opie-sh, the higher version is created with a timestamp before the lower version |
| 08:18.34 | Pendalar | same wit lib-sdl |
| 08:18.36 | Pendalar | with |
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| 09:31.32 | George-- | ok, time to get the guns out |
| 09:31.38 | George-- | they're refusing to repair my damn paint |
| 09:31.40 | George-- | evil sods |
| 09:31.43 | George-- | FIX IT!!!! |
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| 09:46.51 | paulb | Good morning |
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| 11:24.32 | supermatt | poor george |
| 11:24.54 | George- | supermatt: what? |
| 11:25.21 | supermatt | I saw your page for your laptop - looks like you have a good claim for repairs |
| 11:25.32 | George- | supermatt: heh, how did you find it? |
| 11:25.40 | supermatt | venomous ;) |
| 11:25.57 | George- | supermatt: it seems that they've decided to bite the bullet and send the laptop in with my fault log |
| 11:26.16 | George- | supermatt: so all the issues I've raised will be dealt with *sanely* with apple |
| 11:26.37 | supermatt | ah that's cool |
| 11:26.59 | George- | supermatt: put it this way - I didn't pay $5000 USD for a laptop that is a useless lump of shit |
| 11:27.51 | supermatt | you didnt pay $5000 USD at all iirc ;) |
| 11:28.03 | George- | supermatt: who ever heard of paint chipping off because of the f'ing eject button on the PCMCIA slot? |
| 11:28.12 | George- | supermatt: I did at first ;) |
| 11:28.39 | George- | well... my *dad* did at first |
| 11:28.43 | George- | lol |
| 11:29.03 | supermatt | hehe |
| 11:29.17 | supermatt | but yeah - that sucks |
| 11:29.56 | George- | supermatt: one of the reasons I got this laptop was because of the advertised 5 hours battery life... I was expecting to get, prolly 2-3 hours (I never expected the full five hours), but I used to get 4-5 hours |
| 11:30.08 | George- | then it went in for repair, and I've generally got 30 minutes since then |
| 11:30.44 | George- | same with the DVD drive |
| 11:30.48 | George- | worked perfectly before repair |
| 11:31.03 | George- | came back, won't burn CDs too well, nor will it read DVDs that well either |
| 11:31.17 | George- | anyway, gotta wipe this HDD before tomorrow |
| 11:31.20 | supermatt | I had a similar problem with my Dell - sent it back to get the screen replaced and it came back with a different battery that lasted 30 mins between charges...ha |
| 11:31.25 | George- | mustn't let them see my linux installation :) |
| 11:31.45 | George- | supermatt: oh no, mine came back with the same battery - I'd security marked it ;) |
| 11:32.07 | supermatt | wise - I sent it back a 3rd time and now I have a good battery |
| 11:32.34 | George- | heh |
| 11:32.41 | George- | this thing is gonna keep going back until they fix it |
| 11:32.44 | George- | lol |
| 11:32.45 | supermatt | hehe - yeah maybe they'll blame the linux installation for the faulty paint |
| 11:33.14 | George- | lol |
| 11:33.24 | George- | if they do, they'll have me to deal with :) |
| 11:34.19 | supermatt | well good luck |
| 11:34.58 | supermatt | even though it's my last week in this job, I guess I should do some work ;) |
| 11:35.14 | George- | lmao |
| 11:35.17 | George- | thanks ;) |
| 11:36.17 | George- | my ideal situation is to get a full refund and go buy a 17" p'book ;) |
| 11:37.57 | George- | I love wifi ;) |
| 11:39.29 | supermatt | are you on the toilet? :) |
| 11:39.46 | George- | no |
| 11:39.51 | George- | eating lunch |
| 11:40.30 | supermatt | ah |
| 11:44.24 | George- | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda ;) |
| 11:48.36 | George- | Oh well... I suppose I've either gotta use a P3-500 or a K6-2 450 to take back to school |
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| 12:22.30 | supermatt | anyone know why I'd be able to connect to a remote host from a NATed machine but not from my gateway box? |
| 12:23.47 | George- | ibot feed |
| 12:23.52 | | i heard feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.org/official/{stable,testing,unstable}/feed, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 12:28.12 | George- | can opie use TTF fonts/ |
| 12:28.12 | George- | ? |
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| 13:36.23 | George- | hi |
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| 15:11.01 | jaycee | hello ! |
| 15:12.54 | George- | why can't the OZ team try and get the SD data under NDA? |
| 15:14.00 | supermatt | $ I think |
| 15:14.15 | George- | it costs money? |
| 15:14.19 | George- | wtf |
| 15:14.22 | ljp_ | ya |
| 15:14.29 | ljp_ | its called business |
| 15:14.36 | George- | when the PsiLinux team hacked Linux onto the Psion, they didn't have to pay for any of the NDAs |
| 15:14.43 | supermatt | I dont think I like, 'business' |
| 15:15.17 | chouimat|nap | George-: no school? |
| 15:15.23 | George- | well then business makes us all suffer |
| 15:15.26 | George- | chouimat|nap: go back to bed |
| 15:15.33 | chouimat|nap | ~lart George- |
| 15:15.51 | ljp_ | :D |
| 15:16.04 | supermatt | ulyx: fortune homer |
| 15:16.05 | ulyx | That shot is impossible! Jack Nicholson himself couldn't make it! -- Homer Simpson Scenes from the Class Struggle in Springfield |
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| 15:18.21 | George- | bleh |
| 15:18.29 | George- | how much would it cost to get the NDA stuff? |
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| 15:19.29 | supermatt | I'd donate £5 or so :) |
| 15:19.35 | gaurdian | well, 1st they will only sell it to a business, 2nd its 1000 a year |
| 15:20.17 | treke|home | becoming a business isnt that hard :) getting 1000 a year is tougher |
| 15:20.33 | gaurdian | $1000 a year is cake.... |
| 15:20.38 | supermatt | we'd only need it for about a week though ;) |
| 15:20.39 | George- | lol |
| 15:20.40 | George- | ouch |
| 15:21.20 | treke|home | getting people to donate a 1,000 a year for what works on their stock zaurus? |
| 15:23.00 | treke|home | people would bitch to no end |
| 15:23.23 | supermatt | I think sharp should pay |
| 15:23.38 | supermatt | </naieve> |
| 15:23.44 | gaurdian | hahaha...and why should sharp pay ? |
| 15:24.05 | treke|home | supermatt: that would be nice of them if they did :) I wont hold my breath though |
| 15:24.18 | supermatt | because then development will continue on newer kernels |
| 15:24.38 | supermatt | probably be cheaper for them than to employ someone for kernel maintenance |
| 15:24.47 | gaurdian | haha...and what do they get for their $1000 ? |
| 15:24.54 | supermatt | nothing |
| 15:24.54 | treke|home | supermatt: they dont plan on employing someone for kernel maintanance |
| 15:24.55 | supermatt | ;) |
| 15:25.03 | treke|home | supermatt: the kernel is done :) |
| 15:25.15 | supermatt | heh |
| 15:25.21 | gaurdian | uh....if they get nothing in return I see no reason for them to pay |
| 15:25.29 | treke|home | gaurdian: good will |
| 15:25.47 | gaurdian | well, like you said, dont hold your breath |
| 15:26.12 | supermatt | if the zaurus kernel bits are of sufficient standard to become official that would benefit them? |
| 15:26.36 | treke|home | hehe |
| 15:26.36 | gaurdian | supermatt , thats a big IF. |
| 15:26.56 | treke|home | ask kergoth how likely lineos kernel modifications are to be accepted |
| 15:27.04 | supermatt | indeed |
| 15:28.21 | treke|home | I dont even really think most of the zaurus stuff belongs in the main tree, but thats just my opinion |
| 15:28.24 | gaurdian | Let me give you an examle supermatt. I donated a pcmcia card to the openbsd project, now, did I do that for good will...no..I did that so I would have support for that card that I use. That was/is a tangible trade off...... |
| 15:29.11 | treke|home | so thats just a different type of payoff |
| 15:30.29 | treke|home | in the case of the SD driver they would be supporting people who are setting themselves up as long term developers for the Zaurus. Not everything needs to have an immediete payoff |
| 15:31.10 | George- | treke|home: kernel? DONE? ;) |
| 15:31.14 | supermatt | gaurdian: I dont for 1 minute think Sharp will donate anything, it'd be nice though, perhaps even vageuely shrewd |
| 15:31.28 | George- | treke|home: and we're STILL on 2.4.6, with no hope in hell of a 2.4.19 with SD support? ;) |
| 15:32.33 | gaurdian | treke|home , but what does that get them, so they are setting people up who are long term developers......whats to say that the "long term developers" , how again does that benefit sharp ? |
| 15:33.05 | chouimat|nap | ~pester George- |
| 15:33.06 | | George-: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 15:33.06 | ulyx | George-: Work on the SD driver please |
| 15:33.26 | George- | gaurdian: are you a troll? |
| 15:33.27 | gaurdian | but I am not going to go into this from a perspective of the business, I know my veiws are unpopular at best, so it doesnt matter. |
| 15:33.42 | supermatt | user loyalty and broader customer base...I'm thinking about getting a new zaurus model... almost certainly wouldnt consider that if OZ didnt exist |
| 15:33.48 | gaurdian | No George- , you have no clue. I have offered to donate $$ to the SD driver purchase |
| 15:33.56 | George- | lmao |
| 15:34.05 | George- | then you are a troll ;) |
| 15:34.11 | supermatt | hehe |
| 15:34.39 | gaurdian | no, I am just someone who owns a business who has the $$ to make a good portion of that driver happen |
| 15:35.08 | gaurdian | and happens to know a bit about business and how a lot of business looks at Open Source |
| 15:35.19 | gaurdian | so look at it how you want |
| 15:35.36 | treke|home | gaurdian: The benefit to sharp is they need people who are going to be developing for the zaurus. The more experienced the better. The zaurus is nothing without them. |
| 15:35.54 | George- | rofl |
| 15:36.23 | George- | gaurdian: do you not realise that probably 30% of Zaurus sales are due to the fact that OZ exists? |
| 15:36.42 | gaurdian | George- , show me numbers to back that up |
| 15:37.01 | Cloudchaser_ | i would like to see those numbers also |
| 15:37.03 | George- | twas an estimate |
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| 15:37.08 | Cloudchaser_ | i don't believe that |
| 15:37.13 | chouimat|nap | ~lart George- |
| 15:37.23 | George- | Cloudchaser_: ok fine |
| 15:37.29 | George- | 1%? ;) |
| 15:37.56 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe i don't really know...but i doubt its 30% |
| 15:38.11 | George- | no, but I'd say it's not insignificant |
| 15:38.14 | gaurdian | I would bet its less than 1% |
| 15:38.26 | gaurdian | if that |
| 15:38.41 | Cloudchaser_ | its not stable enough to be used on a day to day basis i don't think...not to do real work with it |
| 15:38.48 | George- | ok ok |
| 15:39.02 | George- | I'll rephrase what I said, "because it's based on an open platform" |
| 15:39.17 | George- | happy? |
| 15:39.18 | George- | ;) |
| 15:39.32 | chouimat|nap | ~lart George- |
| 15:39.46 | George- | chouimat|nap: oh be quiet |
| 15:39.49 | treke|home | actually. |
| 15:39.53 | supermatt | ~lart businessmen (in jest) |
| 15:40.19 | treke|home | There was that app sharp needed to get a contract that OPIE wrote for them. So geoerge may not be completly off :) |
| 15:41.00 | George- | treke|home: opie != openzaurus ;) |
| 15:41.21 | treke|home | George-: Note I said not completly off :) |
| 15:41.31 | treke|home | OPIE != Openzaurus but they are very closely related |
| 15:41.35 | supermatt | they have the same logo ;) |
| 15:41.37 | George- | I realise that |
| 15:41.41 | George- | supermatt: hahaha |
| 15:41.49 | George- | supermatt: I HATE THE PINGIZAURU!!!!! |
| 15:41.55 | George- | ~lart pingizauru |
| 15:42.01 | George- | FAT BLOATED LUMP OF SHIT! :) |
| 15:42.40 | George- | </psychopathic moronic behavior> |
| 15:42.51 | chouimat|nap | ~lart George- |
| 15:42.52 | supermatt | :) I think it's cute, although this picture scares me a bit: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ |
| 15:43.15 | George- | chouimat|nap: go back to bed |
| 15:43.25 | George- | supermatt: hahaha |
| 15:43.36 | George- | what is that thing DOING to that girl? |
| 15:43.55 | supermatt | trying to see her zaurus? :) |
| 15:44.04 | chouimat | George-: they didn't explain that in school yet? |
| 15:44.33 | George- | supermatt: uhm, that dinosaur's eyes are nowhere near to looking at the Z :) |
| 15:45.19 | supermatt | there's a lot more on that site than last time I looked |
| 15:51.24 | George- | backing up all my OS X data now |
| 15:51.26 | George- | onto CD |
| 15:51.43 | George- | I'm gonna miss my tibook :( |
| 15:51.53 | George- | Even if I do hate it |
| 15:53.57 | supermatt | these love/hate relationships are unhealthy |
| 15:54.46 | George- | lol |
| 15:57.17 | George- | supermatt: I hope it'll burn my CD |
| 15:57.29 | George- | supermatt: Cos my CD-RW drive is a bit iffy at the mo' |
| 15:58.11 | supermatt | yeah I remember |
| 15:58.43 | supermatt | George-: you've single handedly put me off buying one myself :) |
| 15:58.50 | George- | supermatt: good |
| 15:58.57 | George- | supermatt: you'll not regret it ;) |
| 15:58.58 | supermatt | hehe |
| 15:59.12 | George- | I'm not joking, it's a piece of shit |
| 15:59.57 | supermatt | indeed :) It's your strength of conviction that I find amusing ;) |
| 16:00.03 | George- | ? |
| 16:00.48 | George- | strength of conviction? |
| 16:01.48 | supermatt | you're pretty convinced |
| 16:03.08 | George- | convinced of what? |
| 16:03.12 | George- | the fact that the quality is shite? |
| 16:03.48 | George- | Well, before, the charging indicator light wouldn't indicate, the paint was shitting itself, the outer bezel was live and shocking me... AND the screen was being scratched by the keyboard |
| 16:03.51 | George- | so, I send it in |
| 16:03.56 | George- | they replace the PSU and the LCD |
| 16:04.09 | George- | but in the process, they trash my battery and DVD/CD-RW drive |
| 16:04.12 | George- | so it's going BACK |
| 16:04.19 | George- | and they're gonna fucking fix it this time |
| 16:04.19 | Wintre | Let's hear it for Apple quality |
| 16:04.38 | George- | and not create any more damage, or they'll never hear the end of it |
| 16:05.05 | George- | It's gonna keep going back until every single last bit is in fully functional quality |
| 16:07.04 | George- | if it bankrupts them because i have to send it in 400 times, then so be it |
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| 16:09.52 | George- | hi warmi |
| 16:10.05 | George- | warmi: I'm just having a bit of a flame apple session ;) |
| 16:10.58 | George- | ahh.. cd burning finished |
| 16:11.02 | George- | hopefully it's not a coaster |
| 16:12.15 | George- | uhm... I just heard my CD drive go "pyoing" |
| 16:15.40 | George- | hrmm |
| 16:15.45 | George- | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
| 16:15.46 | George- | *again* |
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| 16:30.58 | warmi | hi |
| 16:31.54 | [George] | hey warmi |
| 16:33.19 | warmi | [George]: you are flaming Apple ??? |
| 16:33.40 | [George] | warmi: uh.. yeh |
| 16:34.45 | warmi | well, I said that like 6 months ago and I will say again - Apple sucks - not because they are that bad but because they are just too expensive for whatever they offer |
| 16:34.58 | [George] | warmi: bleh |
| 16:35.07 | [George] | warmi: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/eric.rsoc |
| 16:35.10 | Wintre | They are indeed a bad value |
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| 16:35.59 | ljp_ | I got my apple 19" monitor for free |
| 16:36.10 | [George] | ljp_: apple don't make 19" monitors... |
| 16:36.17 | warmi | hahaha |
| 16:36.35 | warmi | perhaps it was some sort of Taiwanese "Aple" knockoff or soemthing .. |
| 16:36.35 | warmi | heh |
| 16:36.51 | [George] | lol |
| 16:36.56 | [George] | don't insult Taiwan =P |
| 16:36.58 | ljp_ | hmm this one has a nice apple logo right on the front |
| 16:37.07 | ljp_ | and a mac connector |
| 16:37.13 | warmi | well, you are right- these days Taiwan makes pretty good stuff |
| 16:37.16 | [George] | i'll have it ;) |
| 16:37.22 | [George] | warmi: bleh, I'm half Taiwanese ;) |
| 16:37.26 | warmi | the cheapest and the crappiest comes from mainland China |
| 16:37.55 | warmi | it is amazing how much stuff in places like Walmart comes from China |
| 16:38.54 | warmi | well, you get what you pay for - sometimes $10 shoes that last 2 months are precisely the thing you need :-) |
| 16:39.21 | paulb | Wots Wallmart :-) |
| 16:39.55 | warmi | paulb where are you from ? |
| 16:39.56 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:40.09 | paulb | warmi: Limeyland |
| 16:41.15 | George- | warmi: I'm atm dd'ing hda and trashing every bit on it |
| 16:41.22 | George- | warmi: it's being collected tomorrow ;) |
| 16:42.01 | ljp_ | you _think_ you are trashing the bits |
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| 16:42.23 | warmi | George: you need to actually write it over with some other stuff ( 0s for example) |
| 16:42.44 | ljp_ | random data about 5 or 6 times |
| 16:42.48 | warmi | but then again, what does a guy like George have on his HD that could damange his reputation ?? |
| 16:42.50 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:42.58 | ljp_ | pron |
| 16:43.10 | George- | ljp_: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda is enough for me |
| 16:43.12 | ljp_ | george is like 9 |
| 16:43.22 | George- | ljp_: It's gonna make it very difficult for them ;) |
| 16:43.56 | warmi | paulb: where is Limeyland ? I assume it is some sort of slang or something .. |
| 16:44.12 | ljp_ | land o' limes |
| 16:44.51 | George- | lol |
| 16:45.23 | George- | I think that "limey" is American slang for English people? |
| 16:45.35 | George- | (English as in.. you come from ENGLAND) |
| 16:45.46 | warmi | yeah, ok |
| 16:45.54 | Wintre | Um. I dunno about that |
| 16:45.57 | warmi | never heard about that but then again, I am not really an American |
| 16:46.29 | George- | I'm not sure, hence the question mark ;) |
| 16:47.22 | warmi | George-: well, then you would be called limey , right ? |
| 16:47.31 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:47.31 | George- | not really |
| 16:47.36 | George- | I'm only half english :) |
| 16:47.53 | warmi | well, you are in UK - that makes up for another half |
| 16:47.57 | George- | lol |
| 16:50.17 | Wintre | The term originated when England's naval power was dominant, because they ate limes for the vitamin C in them |
| 16:50.44 | Wintre | It might even have been the English who called their sailors that |
| 16:51.08 | George- | no, I think it was the americans who called the English that |
| 16:51.44 | warmi | makes sense - on the other hand, I am not sure if eating oranges wouldn't be better as far as intake of the vitamin C is concerned |
| 16:52.54 | Wintre | warmi: We're talking about hundreds of years ago |
| 16:53.10 | George- | no |
| 16:53.18 | Wintre | Even realizing that lack of fresh fruit was why all their teeth fell out was a big leap |
| 16:53.24 | George- | not *that* long ;) |
| 16:53.54 | warmi | Wintre: yeah I know, but access to limes was just as hard as access to oranges back then |
| 16:54.47 | warmi | well, anyway , anything sour has some dose of vitamin C |
| 16:54.54 | Wintre | dictionary.com says "[Short for lime juicer(from the use of lime juice on British warships in order to prevent scurvy).]" |
| 16:55.14 | Wintre | warmi: Limes weren't easier but they had no idea that they had less vitamin C ;) |
| 16:55.16 | warmi | or at least I seem to remember that from the school :-) |
| 16:55.28 | warmi | Wintre: yeah, I guess |
| 16:56.04 | warmi | just plain luck that someone noticed that eating limes seem to help |
| 16:56.44 | warmi | I actually went to webster.com but limeyland is not listen in their online dictionary |
| 16:57.34 | George- | ffs |
| 16:57.47 | George- | all this started because paulb said he was from limeyland :) |
| 16:59.17 | George- | ibot dictionary limey |
| 16:59.19 | | see dict limey |
| 16:59.24 | mewyn | hey warmi. any news from the paper? :) |
| 16:59.35 | George- | ibot dict limey |
| 16:59.55 | George- | I was right then |
| 17:00.45 | warmi | mewyn: no , nothing new |
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| 17:02.59 | mewyn | crap |
| 17:12.25 | Wintre | Ahh, dict |
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| 17:14.06 | supermatt | first day of congestion charges in the capital of limeyland today |
| 17:14.55 | chouimat | limeyland?????? |
| 17:15.53 | supermatt | hey I didnt start it :) |
| 17:16.10 | chouimat | supermatt: George-? |
| 17:16.21 | supermatt | could be :) |
| 17:16.34 | chouimat | good enough for me :) |
| 17:16.39 | chouimat | ~lart George- |
| 17:17.15 | supermatt | hehe |
| 17:17.43 | supermatt | 'By Monday afternoon 57,000 people had paid the charge.' |
| 17:17.48 | supermatt | that's a lot of £5s |
| 17:18.42 | warmi | that's another small step towards charging people for using the air to breath |
| 17:19.16 | chouimat | warmi: no you don't ned a car downtown |
| 17:19.29 | supermatt | warmi: or improving the quality of the air I breath |
| 17:19.56 | supermatt | London is practically gridlocked these days |
| 17:20.47 | supermatt | cant imagine the scheme actually working though |
| 17:21.20 | warmi | well, there is a reason people drive there - unless you assume that they are just plain stupid and don't give a damn about anything |
| 17:21.21 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:21.55 | George- | supermatt: that's news? |
| 17:22.07 | George- | chouimat: by the way, paulb started this limeyland crap, not me |
| 17:22.22 | George- | how do you save games in ScummVM? |
| 17:22.31 | chouimat | George-: sorry didn't have a unlart command :) |
| 17:24.19 | supermatt | imho traffic is one of the things that reduces quality of life significantly in a city |
| 17:24.47 | supermatt | people dont always have good reasons to drive when they get in a car imho |
| 17:24.54 | supermatt | I certainly didnt when I had a car |
| 17:27.18 | chouimat | supermatt: I'm leaving in Quebec City and I don't have a car, but the public transportation here sucks very bad, so the london solution won't work here ... |
| 17:27.54 | supermatt | chouimat: I'm not convinced it's a solution in london either for the same reason - the public transport is awful |
| 17:28.09 | warmi | well, I guess charging people for access to the downtown is better than banning it ourtright |
| 17:28.14 | supermatt | but those £5 are marked for investment in public transport |
| 17:29.04 | warmi | supermatt: you are already being taxed at enourmous levels - I don't think that aditonal 5 will do much difference :-) it is a quesiton of spending priorities :-) |
| 17:29.31 | chouimat | here they want to taxe gaz to help the public transport ... come on that won't work too, just make people use the transport by give them taxes reduction if they use the public transport |
| 17:30.25 | warmi | taxing gas .. that's a novel idea :-) |
| 17:30.47 | chouimat | warmi: even more :) |
| 17:30.57 | warmi | isn't it already taxed at like 40% or so |
| 17:30.58 | supermatt | warmi: :) |
| 17:31.15 | supermatt | http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/3427235?source=Evening%20Standard |
| 17:31.20 | chouimat | warmi: they want to add a 0.015$ per litre |
| 17:31.21 | supermatt | where did all those people go? |
| 17:33.00 | supermatt | where do all my taxes go? ;) |
| 17:33.20 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:33.26 | warmi | eventually they will come back |
| 17:33.35 | supermatt | my taxes? yay |
| 17:33.36 | supermatt | :) |
| 17:33.58 | warmi | supermatt: I assume you living in London's downtown .. |
| 17:34.01 | warmi | and have no car .. |
| 17:34.02 | warmi | right ? |
| 17:34.04 | supermatt | yeah - it'll take months before things stabilise I'm sure |
| 17:34.46 | supermatt | I live and work on the outskirst of the congestion zone. I used to have a car but these days feel that owning one in london isnt a good idea |
| 17:35.03 | krezel | Talking about that 5pound "Traffic Tax" in the UK? |
| 17:35.54 | supermatt | soon to start working downtown |
| 17:36.39 | krezel | What exacty are they taxing for? Just being in traffic? |
| 17:37.30 | supermatt | 'congestion charge' - mainly an incentive to not use a car and take public transport |
| 17:38.11 | krezel | Intresting... |
| 17:38.52 | supermatt | I think a lot of city authorities are thinking that :) |
| 17:39.58 | krezel | Its kind of like you're screwed both ways... 5/tax for driving, or paying money for public transport |
| 17:40.43 | warmi | walk - that will have an added benefit of getting you back in shape |
| 17:40.59 | warmi | unless of course the place is ridden with thugs then you are truly screwed |
| 17:41.23 | krezel | Yeah at least you dont get shot like you do here, just knifed |
| 17:41.34 | warmi | I do walk from Tribune Tower to Union Station every day ( unless it is really cold) which is a nice 30 minutes walk |
| 17:41.59 | warmi | krezel: I think UK these days has higher crime rates than say NYC |
| 17:42.53 | krezel | Really? |
| 17:43.07 | supermatt | London violent crime is pretty high at the moment |
| 17:43.18 | krezel | I'm from the Detroit area, that has a pretty notorious reputation too |
| 17:43.28 | supermatt | cycling is a good option |
| 17:43.40 | supermatt | 2 wheeled vehicles dont incur the tax :) |
| 17:43.51 | warmi | krezel: yeah, I read that somewhere |
| 17:43.56 | krezel | Motorcycle then :) |
| 17:44.09 | krezel | warmi: yeah just go rent "RoboCop" |
| 17:44.21 | warmi | supermatt: motorcycle or bike is not a very good option when it rains or snows |
| 17:44.45 | supermatt | warmi: hehe, that's why my bike ahs been at my office since November |
| 17:44.50 | krezel | hah |
| 17:44.54 | supermatt | s/ahs/has/ |
| 17:46.00 | warmi | supermatt: I never been to UK but don't you guys have metro in London ? |
| 17:46.04 | supermatt | £5 per day might encourage me to use it more though if the other option was to drive and that's what I hope could happen |
| 17:46.28 | George- | how the hell do I save a game in ScummVM? |
| 17:46.38 | supermatt | warmi: 'london underground' - yeah...good example of underinvestment |
| 17:47.25 | warmi | supermatt: well, then if everything so underinvested where is all that money going to ? |
| 17:47.26 | warmi | ;-) |
| 17:47.36 | supermatt | if I were low paid and relied on driving in london for my livelihood, I think I'd have a different point of view |
| 17:48.17 | supermatt | warmi: the UK has expensive allies ;) |
| 17:48.21 | djk | ibot seen bigboss |
| 17:48.22 | | bigboss <~shawn@ip68-4-243-218.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 23d 18h 51m 13s ago, saying: 'she had something like 600 virgins killed and bathed in their blood over the years'. |
| 17:48.39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:48.56 | krezel | hmm |
| 17:48.57 | chouimat | hehe |
| 17:49.15 | krezel | Intresting |
| 17:49.18 | warmi | supermatt: uh ? I read recently that if anythign US subsidizes all these nationalized healt care systems by allowing drug companies to keep prices low in Europe while making killing in US |
| 17:49.46 | George- | hrmm |
| 17:49.49 | warmi | there were even some Senators trying to impose price controls for drugs in US for that very reason |
| 17:49.50 | supermatt | I'm kidding - I dont know where it goes. That's interesting though. |
| 17:49.53 | George- | I remember him saying that in my exeat |
| 17:50.00 | chouimat | krezel: that was about the storie for an album |
| 17:50.16 | krezel | Sure sure... |
| 17:50.23 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:50.36 | chouimat | krezel: i hav the album |
| 17:51.15 | krezel | warmi: A big problem is that the drug companies generally only have copyright and patent protection here in the US. They end up charging HUGE prices here, because their products get stolen and turned into generic products abroad |
| 17:52.00 | warmi | yeah, I know but the way our politicians are trying to solve this issue won't do any good |
| 17:52.13 | krezel | Its a tough problem |
| 17:52.18 | djk | ibot seen cloudchaser |
| 17:52.19 | | cloudchaser <~Cloudchas@ool-435684aa.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 6d 20h 46m 20s ago, saying: 'hiya twiun'. |
| 17:52.55 | warmi | you can't really impose price controls and basically severly limit any sort of profit for these companies |
| 17:53.22 | warmi | this will only result in no new investements and basically stagnation as money will move to other , more profitable segments of the industry |
| 17:53.50 | krezel | Yep and no new drugs |
| 17:53.57 | warmi | that's what happened in Europe - most of their drug companies relocated to US |
| 17:54.11 | warmi | they don't develop anything new anymore - at least according to WSJ |
| 17:55.40 | krezel | If they cant make money off it, theres no incentive to |
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| 17:57.23 | jbaumgarten | Hi guys |
| 17:57.27 | warmi | but that fact is not very sexy as opposed to bashing "blood sucking" drug companies and therefore you won't use politicians use that argument :-) |
| 17:57.39 | warmi | hi |
| 17:57.59 | jbaumgarten | does anyone know where the icons for the addressbook, todo and calendar apps are on OZ 3.1 ? |
| 17:58.14 | kergoth`bbl | jbaumgarten: /opt/QtPalmtop/pics, or they're inlined. |
| 17:58.24 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 17:58.54 | warmi | there are additional dirs under /opt/Qtpalmtop/pics so make sure you check these as well |
| 17:59.06 | jbaumgarten | I had a look at /opt/QtPamltop/pics but couldn't find them. For the other apps, I did but not these ones, maybe I overlooked |
| 17:59.15 | jbaumgarten | because I want to change them |
| 17:59.50 | TheMasterMind1 | look at the source code for that opie app |
| 18:00.20 | jbaumgarten | is the source code available on openzaurus.org ? |
| 18:00.31 | kergoth | no, its available on opie.handhelds.org |
| 18:00.40 | jbaumgarten | thx |
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| 18:07.32 | SuKoShi_ | hi! |
| 18:07.39 | kergoth | hey SuKoShi_ |
| 18:09.09 | SuKoShi_ | how are you? |
| 18:09.51 | SuKoShi_ | do you know where i can find (if available) the kernel .config file used by Sharp? |
| 18:10.12 | kergoth | arch/arm/def-configs/corgi arch/arm/def-configs/poodle arch/arm/def-configs/collie |
| 18:10.21 | kergoth | collie=5000d/5500, corgi=c700, poodle=b500/5600 |
| 18:10.31 | kergoth | actually, you want poodle-j for the b500, poodle for 5600 |
| 18:10.40 | kergoth | (-j just sets SHARP_SL_J, japanese) |
| 18:10.47 | Pend-Gone | I want a 5600 =-( |
| 18:13.38 | SuKoShi_ | great :) |
| 18:14.19 | jbaumgarten | is there anyone from OPIE here ? |
| 18:14.28 | jbaumgarten | I wonder why do they do inline of pics / |
| 18:14.46 | TheMasterMind1 | try #opie |
| 18:14.48 | treke | jbaumgarten: #opie |
| 18:14.59 | treke | jbaumgarten: It eases load time for common images |
| 18:15.18 | jbaumgarten | yeah but thus I cannot change my addressbook icon :-( |
| 18:16.47 | treke | jbaumgarten: sharp rom or openzaurus? |
| 18:16.53 | jbaumgarten | OZ |
| 18:16.57 | treke | addressbook icon probably shouldnt be inlined |
| 18:17.38 | jbaumgarten | but it is for historical reason according to #opie |
| 18:17.46 | treke | probably |
| 18:17.56 | SuKoShi_ | anyone knows how to install a crosscompiler on gentoo? |
| 18:17.58 | treke | There is probably a reason it was left in there :) |
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| 18:18.32 | Pendalar | I love having multi channels to talk about the same things, and yes I know the topics should gear towards conversation but they don't |
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| 18:27.21 | warmi | SuKoShi: just use alien to install RPM - it all ends up at /opt/Embeddinx or soemthing like- in fact recently I "installed" the whole thing on another computer by just gzipping the whole dir and moving it to another machine |
| 18:27.49 | SuKoShi_ | ok |
| 18:27.53 | kergoth | heh, use erikm's toolchain, its more reliable than embedix |
| 18:27.54 | TheMasterMind1 | use the good cross compiler instead |
| 18:27.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ya |
| 18:28.07 | SuKoShi_ | i'm also reading about kdevelop |
| 18:28.17 | SuKoShi_ | it looks like it can crosscompile too |
| 18:28.18 | warmi | more reliable ? in what sense ? |
| 18:28.23 | warmi | like generating bad code or what ? |
| 18:28.25 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:28.36 | warmi | or just setup issues ? |
| 18:28.38 | kergoth | in the sense that it wont fail on some builds that will fail with embedix |
| 18:28.42 | kergoth | compilation failure |
| 18:28.48 | kergoth | and its also 2.95.3 vs 2.95.2 |
| 18:29.21 | SuKoShi_ | maybe it will be too difficult for me :( |
| 18:29.28 | warmi | I guess that only matters for people compiling the kernel - I never had this thing "fail" on me in any way and I compiled quite a few differnt apps using embeddix compiler |
| 18:29.40 | kergoth | SuKoShi_: its a tarball. you can run tar -zxvf right? |
| 18:29.48 | SuKoShi_ | yes :) |
| 18:29.50 | TheMasterMind1 | warmi: i think php and a few other things don't work with embeddix |
| 18:29.51 | kergoth | warmi: you havent copmiled anything near as many as I have. trust me. |
| 18:30.03 | kergoth | warmi: we build over 200 packages for OZ on a regular basis |
| 18:30.04 | SuKoShi_ | lol |
| 18:30.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:30.25 | warmi | where is that erikm's compiler ? |
| 18:30.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz toolchain |
| 18:30.36 | | from memory, oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 18:30.38 | kergoth | its mirrored on OZ's site, and its on ftp.arm.linux.uk |
| 18:31.02 | warmi | does it have everything that embedix has ? |
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| 18:31.27 | warmi | well, I will see how it works |
| 18:31.31 | kergoth | warmi: ? like what? its a crosscompiler and kernel headers. there isnt much to it. |
| 18:31.34 | kergoth | heh |
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| 18:31.47 | warmi | various precompiled libs etc .. |
| 18:31.56 | warmi | executables |
| 18:32.02 | kergoth | 'executables'? |
| 18:32.04 | warmi | like strip etc |
| 18:32.06 | [George] | I swear that I *HATE* this powerbook |
| 18:32.08 | kergoth | embedix includes the binaries from binutils and gcc |
| 18:32.14 | kergoth | just like every other crosscompiler on the planet |
| 18:32.23 | warmi | ok then |
| 18:32.26 | warmi | I will give it a shot |
| 18:32.34 | frankps | [George] Powerbooks are great!!! |
| 18:32.42 | warmi | frankps: uh .... |
| 18:32.44 | warmi | heeh |
| 18:32.46 | [George] | frankps: die |
| 18:32.52 | frankps | Sadly I don't have mine home at the moment |
| 18:33.01 | warmi | i never thought I would see George bitching about apple products |
| 18:33.02 | frankps | *lol |
| 18:33.30 | [George] | warmi: don't get me wrong, I think it's a great product, it's a pity it suffers from so many design flaws |
| 18:33.56 | Pendalar | kergoth are any of the packages in the 3 feeds non-free/non-gpl |
| 18:34.08 | Pendalar | save me a whole lot of time if you happen to know that off hand |
| 18:34.10 | Wintre | A great product with many design flaws, huh? |
| 18:34.15 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:34.21 | Pendalar | ie no demos, shareware, commercial, etc |
| 18:34.34 | kergoth | Pendalar: everything in the OZ feeds other than sdmmc is built from source. |
| 18:35.09 | kergoth | ibot: tell SuKoShi_ about oz toolchain |
| 18:35.18 | Pendalar | I see plenty enough of commercial GPL about |
| 18:35.26 | kergoth | .. |
| 18:35.35 | Pendalar | not on the feed but in general |
| 18:35.36 | kergoth | Pendalar: and that matters how? |
| 18:35.41 | kergoth | who gives a shit |
| 18:35.51 | kergoth | you asked about license |
| 18:35.51 | Pendalar | because I have them seperated on my feed into license |
| 18:35.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:35.55 | kergoth | .. |
| 18:36.00 | kergoth | and liense has nothing to do with being commercial |
| 18:36.04 | kergoth | commercial is irrelevent |
| 18:36.09 | kergoth | its GPL, or its not. |
| 18:36.16 | kergoth | license, rather |
| 18:36.20 | [George] | oh dear, we're not starting yet another bloody GPL flame war are we? |
| 18:36.22 | Pendalar | ok fine, I have it ordered by license and type ;-) |
| 18:36.28 | kergoth | okay then :) |
| 18:36.35 | Pendalar | picky symantical bastard =-P j/k |
| 18:36.50 | Pendalar | do you know which ones are commercial then? |
| 18:37.02 | kergoth | Pendalar: OZ's buildsystem can build puzz-le and knights, but those are never put in our feeds because I want to support commercial GPL and not undermine their efforts. |
| 18:37.18 | kergoth | Pendalar: everything in the feeds is noncommercial GPL afaik |
| 18:37.25 | [George] | kergoth: cool |
| 18:37.47 | Pendalar | I haven't tried puzz-le but I do know knights is under the commercial leg of my feed |
| 18:37.48 | [George] | my HTML Editor is commercial GPL |
| 18:37.49 | [George] | lol |
| 18:37.59 | kergoth | puzz-le rocks |
| 18:38.04 | [George] | puzz-le rocks, yeh |
| 18:38.28 | warmi | Pendalar: Puzz-le is under BSD license and Knights is under GPL |
| 18:38.34 | Pendalar | I'm too busy with this to play =-{ |
| 18:38.38 | warmi | you just need to compile full version instead of demo :-) |
| 18:38.54 | Pendalar | yah but I'm trying to somewhat order it like it is on ZSI |
| 18:39.14 | gaurdian | Pendalar , where is your feed at ? |
| 18:39.16 | chouimat | my upcoming gaydar is 2.99$ |
| 18:39.39 | mewyn | one thing i thought would always be good is to make a game GPL, but sell the game data |
| 18:39.56 | Pendalar | it's going to be at http://feed.pdai.org/ this weekend |
| 18:40.03 | Pendalar | it's not up atm, rebuilding ipkgs etc |
| 18:40.04 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 18:40.11 | [George] | mewyn: that's basically what they do with Quake etc |
| 18:40.21 | gaurdian | I have been looking for a good chess game |
| 18:40.24 | mewyn | yup |
| 18:40.43 | Pendalar | I like laser chess well enough |
| 18:41.03 | [George] | gaurdian: I hope you'll buy it, for your sake... mark will go ballistic on you if you don't ;) |
| 18:41.35 | warmi | gurdian: Knights is basically either GnuChess or Phalanx |
| 18:41.36 | gaurdian | Personally, I see no reason I wouldent if I use it |
| 18:41.40 | warmi | bother are decent chess engines |
| 18:44.19 | warmi | bother = both |
| 18:44.24 | gaurdian | Its only like $10 or $15 right ? |
| 18:44.34 | [George] | gaurdian: 15 USD |
| 18:44.38 | warmi | uh . how in the world I could mistype both into bother hehe |
| 18:44.43 | chouimat | kergoth: kingsoopa is on.line :) |
| 18:44.48 | [George] | gaurdian: used to be 10 USD |
| 18:44.56 | warmi | mark is getting greedy |
| 18:44.58 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:45.05 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah, i noticed |
| 18:45.06 | chouimat | better sell at 15? |
| 18:45.08 | [George] | warmi: lol |
| 18:45.13 | gaurdian | $15 wont break my bank |
| 18:45.20 | [George] | warmi: someday it'll be more expensive than Windows |
| 18:45.33 | [George] | ;) |
| 18:45.38 | gaurdian | al long as its a good chess program, I dont have a prob with paying for it |
| 18:45.45 | warmi | guardian: yeah .. Mark worked really hard to port this stuff |
| 18:45.55 | mewyn | i was never good at chess |
| 18:45.59 | warmi | I know cause I was cooperating with him on this :-) |
| 18:46.04 | [George] | I hate chess |
| 18:46.09 | [George] | ;) |
| 18:46.20 | [George] | warmi: you mean, you told him what to write, and he wrote it? :) |
| 18:46.31 | warmi | chess is ok - I used spent my lunch breaks at scholl playing chess in school's library |
| 18:46.46 | [George] | I can't stand the game |
| 18:46.53 | [George] | I prefer draughts |
| 18:46.58 | treke | gaurdian: Its a quality game |
| 18:47.07 | warmi | [George]: no, he wrote it himself I just gave him some ideas from my aborted attempt at chess for the zaurus |
| 18:47.12 | treke | and gpl on top of it :) |
| 18:47.26 | [George] | yeh, I have knights here... I wasn't gonna spend $15 on a game that I hate to play |
| 18:47.26 | gaurdian | where can I get it ? |
| 18:47.28 | [George] | ;) |
| 18:47.33 | warmi | and finally I gave him all the graphics and themes for my chess but he never incorporated that into knights |
| 18:47.38 | [George] | I think I'll delete it actually |
| 18:48.03 | treke | gaurdian: handango.com |
| 18:48.29 | gaurdian | demo version avaliable so I can try it, or do I need to buy blind ? |
| 18:48.42 | treke | no demo available |
| 18:49.03 | treke | you can compile from source |
| 18:49.18 | treke | http://www.houseoffish.org/knights/download.php |
| 18:49.18 | gaurdian | I dont have a cross compiler set up |
| 18:49.19 | warmi | if he does that then why bother purchasing it :-) |
| 18:49.59 | warmi | that is precisely why mark is charging for the game - so people who don't care about going thru all that pain with setting up cross-compiler etc .. could enjoy the game as well |
| 18:50.15 | warmi | guardian: it plays just like Knights for KDE ( which it was ported from) |
| 18:50.42 | gaurdian | because I would like to see if I like the game, if I like it I would purchase, if not I would delete...thats why |
| 18:50.51 | gaurdian | hmm..ok then |
| 18:51.20 | gaurdian | just like rdcalc, I tried the demo, I iked it, I bought it...no biggie though |
| 18:51.30 | warmi | and support two different chess engine backends - GnuChess and Phalanx - I tried to get another one ( forgot the name, the strongest free chess engine available) but it would crash on arm for some reason |
| 18:51.53 | warmi | crafty- yeah, I could get that one to run |
| 18:52.27 | warmi | it would go bezerk in some weird ways , I gave up |
| 18:52.37 | mewyn | warmi: you need a deep blue interface :) |
| 18:52.39 | warmi | I could= I coudn't |
| 18:52.54 | gaurdian | personally, I like chessmaster 9000 |
| 18:53.04 | warmi | yeah , as long as there is a way to multinetwork 10 000 Zs .. |
| 18:53.10 | warmi | then we could try to match it :-) |
| 18:53.14 | gaurdian | heh |
| 18:53.43 | warmi | well, you know - chessmaster is a fully professional product running on big ass Windows machine |
| 18:53.52 | warmi | you can' really expect Z to match taht |
| 18:54.05 | gaurdian | I dident try to compare the two....just stated I like chessmaster |
| 18:54.14 | gaurdian | I dont expect to match that |
| 18:54.18 | warmi | but phalanx on Z kick my ass more often than not |
| 18:54.21 | mewyn | i wonder if one can setup an adaptable distributed chess engine |
| 18:54.29 | warmi | so I consider it quite a strong chess engine |
| 18:54.42 | gaurdian | just happen to like that program as chess engines go |
| 18:54.51 | warmi | guardian: yeah, I have it as well |
| 18:55.21 | warmi | actually , no , correction - I have much older version - like 3000 or so |
| 18:55.29 | gaurdian | just that a chess program would be nice for plane flights etc....with the Z |
| 18:55.43 | warmi | guardian: if everything fails - you can always play ZCheckers :-) |
| 18:56.17 | warmi | give it a try - I am talking about Knights - much better than that Java chess ( the java one it doesn't support all the rules correctly) |
| 18:56.28 | gaurdian | I will try it warmi |
| 18:58.20 | warmi | gaurdian: I am not sure how well it compares to what's available on Pocket PC - they do have couple of chess apps available |
| 18:58.57 | warmi | I would asume Palm chess implementation is inferior since , generally, Palms just luck any serious computing power needed in apps like chess |
| 18:59.00 | gaurdian | warmi , no idea, I gave up on the Pocket PC a while ago |
| 18:59.04 | warmi | luck=lack |
| 18:59.37 | gaurdian | and I gave up on a Palm a while ago also....neither did what I anted, which, is why I bought a Z |
| 18:59.52 | warmi | well, you must be a Linux guy then :-) |
| 19:00.17 | gaurdian | not really....Solaris mainly |
| 19:00.17 | warmi | because running Linux apps or generally emulating desktop machine on your PDA is what's Z is good at ( compared to PPC or Palm) |
| 19:00.51 | warmi | well, Solaris/Linux they all are the same when compared to say Windows Xp :-) |
| 19:01.02 | gaurdian | but even saying Solaris isnt always true, I am an independant consultant, I use *nix |
| 19:01.08 | warmi | at least from the user point of view |
| 19:01.33 | warmi | yeah, you can run stuff like network sniffers etc .. |
| 19:01.41 | gaurdian | exactly |
| 19:01.54 | warmi | tons of it free of charge - a stuff that you would have to pay for on PPC |
| 19:02.38 | gaurdian | well, paying for a good app isnt a issue for me.....I just need more flexability than the PPC allowed |
| 19:03.08 | gaurdian | If I have to pay for a app, its a business expence, tax write off so I am not adverse to that |
| 19:04.11 | warmi | yeah, PPC winsock support is pretty crappy |
| 19:04.55 | warmi | and , while I like visual appearance of some of the interface elements on PPC, generally their GUI sucks |
| 19:05.07 | warmi | it just seems to get in my way - or perhaps I don't know how to use PPC |
| 19:05.08 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:05.20 | warmi | Zs is not all that perfect either but at least it seems a bit more logical |
| 19:05.54 | gaurdian | Well, in my experiance, any GUI is ok once ya get used to it |
| 19:06.27 | gaurdian | I still use CDE on my solaris box |
| 19:08.06 | oGMo | warmi: you talking about OSX? |
| 19:08.08 | oGMo | oh wait |
| 19:08.16 | oGMo | PPC = powerpc damnit :) |
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| 19:08.25 | jbaumgarten_busy | Hi |
| 19:08.26 | jbaumgarten_busy | I'm looking for people using OZ and tkc apps to have some feedback before I buy |
| 19:09.09 | Pendalar | =-P |
| 19:09.50 | TheMasterMind1 | jbaumgarten_busy: what about them |
| 19:09.51 | Pendalar | kergoth you do much gui programming on the Z? |
| 19:10.00 | TheMasterMind1 | nope, he doesn't |
| 19:10.10 | Pendalar | hrm |
| 19:10.25 | kergoth | Nope, I'm primarily a backend guy |
| 19:10.36 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 19:10.37 | Pendalar | that's sick |
| 19:10.37 | hardwire | blaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 19:10.43 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 19:10.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: sup |
| 19:10.48 | hardwire | weeerd |
| 19:10.48 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: whats new in GCT land |
| 19:10.52 | warmi | guardian: no .. I never could get used to Mac GUI which is funny since I spend good couple of years working with Amiga |
| 19:10.52 | hardwire | notta mucho |
| 19:10.56 | [George] | If another person refers to PocketPC as PPC, I'm going to murder them |
| 19:10.59 | hardwire | had a website needed designed over the weekend |
| 19:11.04 | hardwire | just putting the finishing touches on it |
| 19:11.17 | Pendalar | I was wondering if there was any decent things I could print out to read at work |
| 19:11.19 | hardwire | $1000 for a weekend of work.. yay.. now I can buy popsicles |
| 19:11.24 | Pendalar | besides things on doc.trolltech.com |
| 19:11.28 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: heh, nice |
| 19:11.33 | oGMo | [George]: i always thought "wince" was more than specific and descriptive ;) |
| 19:11.44 | [George] | lol |
| 19:11.54 | Pendalar | trolltech's docs are a bit dry and over widgetty |
| 19:15.24 | warmi | Pendalar: well, their docs are precisely what you need once you grasp the basics - if you are not at the level then I would simply go for one of their tutorials |
| 19:15.38 | warmi | there are books about qt but none is free |
| 19:15.57 | oGMo | yeah but the tutorial is good |
| 19:16.16 | oGMo | after that you should just be able to peruse the reference |
| 19:16.25 | warmi | yeah, I just remember I had no problems getting into qt |
| 19:16.30 | oGMo | ya |
| 19:16.44 | oGMo | it's terribly easy |
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| 19:16.57 | Pendalar | well I was hoping for some non widget examples, more gaming oriented structures |
| 19:17.06 | warmi | oGMo: yeah, their docs are perfect for just getting everything you wanna know about particular widget - sometimes even including small examples and info "behind the scenes" |
| 19:17.18 | noda | hardwire: What are our chances of getting an SVG-based pingizaurus for openzaurus.org? :) |
| 19:17.22 | Pendalar | noobie stuff, but off 'what can we do with widgets today?' |
| 19:17.25 | oGMo | Pendalar: the tutorial is a basic game, if you're writing a more complex/hi-performance game, don't use Qt |
| 19:17.28 | Twiun | Hi guys |
| 19:17.36 | warmi | Pendalar: oh . yeah, I know what you mean .. I went thru that when creating puzz-le |
| 19:17.45 | oGMo | Pendalar: the tutorial starts with a basic click me button and ends up with a cannon shooter |
| 19:17.51 | Pendalar | yeah already done that |
| 19:17.55 | oGMo | warmi: yeah |
| 19:17.56 | warmi | generally you end up synching your game loop to a timer and don't make much use of QPaintEvent |
| 19:18.26 | warmi | I just use QTimer and then derive widget for my playground from QWidget which then I update using Qtimer |
| 19:18.50 | warmi | normally, it works well - Qtimer will work well up to 50 frames per second |
| 19:18.57 | oGMo | nice |
| 19:19.05 | warmi | anything more granular than that and you need to hit Linux api directly |
| 19:19.13 | Pendalar | I guess I need a really simple no Qt based game which handles the stylus functions |
| 19:20.43 | oGMo | non-Qt? |
| 19:21.06 | oGMo | it's either SDL or Qt for most practical purposes |
| 19:21.20 | oGMo | with SDL you just grab the mouse, afaik |
| 19:22.03 | oGMo | there are tons of sdl examples, and even tons of qt examples |
| 19:22.23 | warmi | in Qt you wait for events using overriden methods from your derived QWidget - with SDL you generally write your own event loop and there handle stuff yourself |
| 19:22.25 | Pendalar | guess I need to hit a sdl site then |
| 19:22.48 | hardwire | noda: hmm |
| 19:22.50 | hardwire | well |
| 19:22.57 | oGMo | now we just need to get some of that ARM assembler optimization into SDL ;) |
| 19:23.03 | hardwire | what are the chances that somebody will take the hires render of him.. and trace him for me? |
| 19:23.12 | hardwire | cause thats what I will need to do |
| 19:23.14 | warmi | oGMo: it is done - I will release it in days |
| 19:23.18 | hardwire | I lost the vector format a long time ago |
| 19:23.25 | hardwire | unless somebody has a pingi.eps hanging around |
| 19:23.41 | oGMo | warmi: rock, does it transparently aid anything using SDL then? so like doom etc are faster? |
| 19:23.47 | warmi | I just ported asm part of Pocket PC ( their assembler is nothing like GAS for arm - the mnemonics are the same but everything else is diferent) |
| 19:23.47 | hardwire | I thought I released the eps file a long time ago online.. but I personally lost it |
| 19:24.26 | oGMo | although, doom shouldn't really be pushing hte CPU _that_ much |
| 19:24.29 | warmi | oGMo: no , I mean - I have a my class using asm working with standard qt app - I am not knowledgable enough to incorporate it into SDL - somebody with more experience with SDL would have to do it |
| 19:24.38 | oGMo | i mean it runs on a 16MHz ARM, c'mon ;) |
| 19:24.40 | Twiun | hardwire: was this on a mailing list? |
| 19:24.44 | oGMo | warmi: ahhh |
| 19:24.45 | warmi | it would be pretty easy since my ASM calls are pretty self-confined |
| 19:24.51 | oGMo | still |
| 19:24.53 | oGMo | nice ;) |
| 19:25.04 | warmi | it runs 2-3 times as fast as SDL |
| 19:25.16 | warmi | which is understable considering that SDL is quite generic |
| 19:25.22 | oGMo | actually making Qt viable for high-performace games is probably more desireable than SDL anyway |
| 19:25.45 | warmi | oGMo: i prefer Qt because I know it - but SDlL has some nice things like sound mixer etc .. |
| 19:26.08 | Pendalar | it's really that hard to mix them? |
| 19:26.18 | warmi | very usefull - generally I would just grab SDL mixer module and compile it statically into my app so I don't have to force people into installing so libs |
| 19:26.41 | warmi | Pendalar: mix what ? qt with SDL or you talking about sound mixer ? :-) |
| 19:26.43 | oGMo | warmi: true, but using Qt favors overall image and integration on the Z |
| 19:26.59 | oGMo | actually there's a Qt SDL widget i thought |
| 19:27.04 | kergoth | warmi: good idea to make a .so binary avail as well for people who install a number of games that use the sdl mixer lib to avoid wasting space :) |
| 19:27.05 | noda | hardwire: So... is the .png on openzaurus.org the highest res we've got? |
| 19:27.07 | warmi | oGMo: yeah, I guess - of course if you make your game full screen then this is a moot point :-) |
| 19:27.17 | oGMo | i don't know why you can't grab the input/media stuff from SDL and forego video ;) |
| 19:27.22 | oGMo | warmi: yeah |
| 19:27.27 | Pendalar | qt and sdl in the same app |
| 19:27.34 | warmi | kergoth: well, but installing so libraries on zaurus is problematic - people start bitching about not being able to install into SD/CF etc .. |
| 19:28.05 | hardwire | noda: matters.. do you have the ultra huge png? |
| 19:28.08 | kergoth | warmi: so provide the binary unsupported. if they're foolish enough to install the lib itself to the card, thats not your problem. dont provide the libs. only the shared ipk of the game. |
| 19:28.21 | warmi | Pendalar: SDL version for Qtopia does use qt event loop etc hidden inside of the code - the idea was to make it invisible from SDL so you can port stuff directly |
| 19:28.46 | noda | hardwire: Well, it's pretty huge... 460x523 |
| 19:29.01 | oGMo | noda: pixels, or inches? |
| 19:29.07 | warmi | kergoth: well, I know what you mean but I prefer "nice boxed " approach - generally people install only one or two apps at the time anyway - at least I do it that way :-) |
| 19:29.30 | warmi | and mixer code is really small |
| 19:29.46 | warmi | we talking here less than 100 Kbs or so |
| 19:29.51 | hardwire | noda: i've seen bigger :) |
| 19:29.55 | hardwire | I have an ultra hi res one |
| 19:30.04 | kergoth | heh, I have at least 6 games installed on my Z that use SDL |
| 19:30.21 | kergoth | even neo's, i'm using his shared ipks, not static |
| 19:30.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:30.42 | warmi | yeah, I know - I was thinking about that as well - it does make sense |
| 19:30.43 | noda | hardwire: Could you please send it to me? I don't know if I have the skill to trace it to svg, but I can learn how I guess... |
| 19:31.14 | warmi | I guess I could simply say - install this library ipk into memory only and install the game wherever you want |
| 19:31.40 | hardwire | noda: http://bastard.bogomip.com/shirt.png had to find it |
| 19:32.13 | noda | HOLY SHIT :P |
| 19:32.24 | noda | It's enormous! |
| 19:32.29 | hardwire | told you I have seen bigger |
| 19:32.43 | kergoth | hah i remember that, that was for the cafepress shit |
| 19:32.53 | noda | Hell, just taking any new-age SVG editing program and importing this oughta be enough, right? |
| 19:32.53 | warmi | that is a big ass thingy .. It is so big it is hard to see what exactly is that "thingy" |
| 19:32.55 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:33.28 | noda | My Lord... almost 2 meg big... |
| 19:33.33 | hardwire | noda: dunno.. lots of blends |
| 19:33.42 | noda | That's true :( |
| 19:33.48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:33.48 | hardwire | I can retrace it |
| 19:33.50 | hardwire | but.. |
| 19:33.51 | hardwire | :( |
| 19:33.55 | hardwire | its a pain in the took |
| 19:34.03 | noda | Yeah, sure looks like it. |
| 19:34.25 | hardwire | sooo haaaayve fyun |
| 19:34.44 | noda | Well, with this pingi we can at least create just about any sized pingizaurus .png we want. I was just thinking about doing some neat auto-resizing stuff as a CSS experiment. |
| 19:34.48 | noda | Thanks for the big one :) |
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| 19:36.45 | TheMasterMind1 | omg, thats scary |
| 19:36.58 | warmi | oGMo: you are working on a new game for the Z ? |
| 19:37.02 | TheMasterMind1 | BIIIIG pingi |
| 19:37.32 | oGMo | warmi: not at the moment, i'm working on some ruby stuff i want to get going on the Z |
| 19:37.54 | oGMo | warmi: i've been toying with a game idea that'd work nicely on the Z though |
| 19:38.13 | warmi | hehe ... wanna tell us what is that ? |
| 19:38.15 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:38.29 | oGMo | i haven't worked out the formulas so i'm not sure if it's practical yet |
| 19:39.49 | noda | TheMasterMind1: How about now? |
| 19:40.16 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 19:40.20 | oGMo | warmi: well, i'm not sure if it'll work, but basically it's a surreal addiction/adventure type game. A "world" composed of rooms/nodes would be generated, each filled with various objects. You'd find "tools" that modify each object, either changing it, unlocking something, taking you elsewhere, or whatever |
| 19:40.30 | noda | Whoops. Wrong channel. Oh well :) |
| 19:40.51 | noda | Could everyone please see if http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/ looks okay? It should look (almost) exactly like http://openzaurus.org |
| 19:42.21 | SuKoShi_ | who maintains the website? |
| 19:42.21 | warmi | oGMO: is this soemthing like "Inpossible Machine" or whatever that PC games from ocuple of years ago was called ? |
| 19:42.25 | oGMo | i'm about 99% certain I can come up with simple formulas to create maps, obstacles, and tools that allow typical progression a la Zelda or the like (although the game won't be like Zelda, just getting tools and trying to apply the |
| 19:42.30 | oGMo | +m to things) |
| 19:43.09 | noda | SuKoShi_: Me |
| 19:43.10 | warmi | noda: looks close to me - the fonts are larger on adamhopper version |
| 19:43.35 | noda | warmi: All of them? I find that hard to accept... |
| 19:43.41 | jbaumgarten_busy | may I ask what's the point of having another oz.org, a mirror or will you add more stuff |
| 19:43.55 | warmi | oGMo: in order to progress further into the game .. like applying tools to the things will open doors etc ? |
| 19:44.01 | warmi | noda: the menu section |
| 19:44.11 | oGMo | warmi: "The Incredible Machine", and not quite... you'd start out and, say, just have your hand, which allows you to pick up or push things. You could enter a node, and see an object that was a rotating circle. Pick up a "Bent Widget", and apply it to the circle to see if anything happens... maybe it opens a door to a new node, or maybe it just completes a small part of a puzzle |
| 19:44.35 | warmi | oGMo: ok I got it |
| 19:44.44 | noda | jbaumgarten_busy: This is my test bed. |
| 19:44.47 | warmi | sounds like "a thinking man" game |
| 19:44.55 | oGMo | basically the progressive-tool type game that Zelda and similar things are, but abstracted |
| 19:45.06 | noda | warmi: Hrm, if it's not too much to ask, could you please send me/put up a screenshot? :) |
| 19:45.07 | oGMo | warmi: i was thinking more "stoner", but sure ;) |
| 19:45.18 | warmi | of course it would be 2d game ? |
| 19:45.28 | oGMo | "Z: now a substitute fro drugs!" |
| 19:45.35 | oGMo | warmi: on the Z, yeah |
| 19:46.12 | oGMo | i just haven't found libraries that draw interesting shapes easily, and i've been a bit busy to implement them myself |
| 19:46.26 | noda | Oh, and could somebody please check out http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/ in MSIE? |
| 19:46.33 | oGMo | like in X, you can draw a circle that's dashed according to your own pattern, and increment the phase |
| 19:46.39 | warmi | how do I get the screenshot of the window on Windows ? is there any way to do it without any 3rd party tools ? |
| 19:46.52 | oGMo | warmi: push printscreen and paste the image |
| 19:46.53 | warmi | noda; I am on MSIE |
| 19:47.10 | oGMo | i'd be ashamed to know that, except it's worked all the way back to win3.1 or before |
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| 19:47.26 | noda | warmi: Alt-printscreen |
| 19:47.34 | oGMo | or that |
| 19:47.36 | warmi | noda: one sec .. |
| 19:47.59 | noda | Then paste it into... Microsoft Imaging, is it? Something that can save as something smaller than a .bmp or you'll kill your bandwidth :) |
| 19:48.26 | oGMo | bloated map of pixels |
| 19:48.57 | jbaumgarten_busy | see ya guys, day's over |
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| 19:49.05 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/screen.jpg |
| 19:49.41 | noda | warmi: Thanks :) |
| 19:49.49 | noda | GAH :P |
| 19:49.56 | warmi | oGMo: you mean shapes like bezzier lines etc ? |
| 19:50.02 | noda | I wonder if I've ever mentioned how much I loathe IE. |
| 19:50.06 | kergoth | damn |
| 19:50.07 | kergoth | beat me |
| 19:50.21 | noda | It didn't even do the friggin' LI's in the news items properly, even though I explicitly wrote a workaround for IE |
| 19:50.21 | noda | rofl |
| 19:50.36 | noda | Why doesn't it listen to my INPUT { width }? AAAAARGH |
| 19:50.53 | noda | And what on EARTH is it doing in the title... |
| 19:50.55 | kergoth | cause its broken, obviously :) |
| 19:50.55 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: i really wish you'd make it atleast look DECENT in ie |
| 19:50.59 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I will. |
| 19:51.18 | noda | TheMasterMind1: This style is our IE-compatible one. I'll connect to a terminal server that has access to IE and play around. |
| 19:51.19 | TheMasterMind1 | instead of going out of your way and using stuff that you know doesnt' work in IE |
| 19:51.24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh ok |
| 19:51.25 | TheMasterMind1 | good |
| 19:51.48 | noda | For the love of GOD, though, why can't MS code a browser that's at least a slight step towards semi-decent? |
| 19:52.00 | kergoth | heh, cause they dont give a shit about standards compliance? |
| 19:53.08 | noda | They have their own (self-centered) idea of what standards are... |
| 19:53.14 | hardwire | do wha ditty ditty dum ditty do |
| 19:53.44 | hardwire | noda: why does that look so crappy? |
| 19:54.00 | noda | hardwire: MSIE's positioning model sucks. It simply doesn't work. |
| 19:54.15 | noda | So I gotta change widths and stuff in a way that only IE will recognize, then work around it for every other (standards-compliant) browser. |
| 19:54.41 | noda | Ah well, bye all :) |
| 19:54.51 | hardwire | noda: using fixed positinoing of web widgets? vs simple tables? |
| 19:55.08 | kergoth | heh, tables and i dont get along |
| 19:55.28 | kergoth | noda is using CSS and <div>, but IE has an assload of bugs in its CSS implementation |
| 19:55.52 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:56.11 | kergoth | since IE doesnt follow standards |
| 19:56.13 | hardwire | probably a stupid question.. how many embedded browsers have power/libs to do css? |
| 19:56.14 | kergoth | ah well |
| 19:56.36 | kergoth | heh, it works fine in opera, konq, and netfront |
| 19:56.40 | hardwire | nice! |
| 19:56.54 | hardwire | so that navigation list can go on top of other things right? |
| 19:57.18 | kergoth | dunno how noda's positioning it, ask him |
| 19:57.25 | kergoth | he manages all the OZ/OE web shit |
| 19:57.30 | kergoth | i hate web work with a passion |
| 19:57.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:58.23 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:58.34 | hardwire | well.. its just.. say I had a huuuge font.. for some stuuupid reason |
| 19:58.36 | hardwire | now things overlapping |
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| 19:58.42 | hardwire | because the position is set.. but the sizes are changing |
| 19:58.54 | hardwire | personally tables.. good old lip smacking simple to parse tables.. make me happy |
| 19:59.05 | kergoth | ugh, tables suck |
| 19:59.14 | kergoth | especially tables within tables within tables within tables within tables within tables |
| 19:59.21 | hardwire | ah.. |
| 19:59.35 | hardwire | you are too simple then :) you need to complicate yourself :) |
| 19:59.43 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:00.14 | hardwire | $229 developer special price on SL-5500 (call (603) 423-2127 |
| 20:00.16 | hardwire | whats with that |
| 20:00.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:00.44 | hardwire | noda: its pretty simple to boycot IE.. just use php and give blank pages :) |
| 20:00.53 | mewyn | hrmmm |
| 20:00.54 | hardwire | if browser == IE |
| 20:00.55 | hardwire | hehe |
| 20:00.56 | kergoth | a deal spencer at sharp informed us of |
| 20:01.01 | hardwire | hmm |
| 20:01.05 | kergoth | hardwire: he doesnt want to boycot it, he wants it to not look like crap :) |
| 20:01.14 | hardwire | kergoth: but.. I want to boycott it |
| 20:01.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:01.50 | kergoth | bored at home on a presidents day. I think Ill work on OZ |
| 20:01.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:02.17 | hardwire | ooh thats why its so hip happining in here |
| 20:02.28 | hardwire | my roomates didn't get a day off.. so I didn't notice |
| 20:02.37 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:02.40 | kergoth | I drove my ass to work |
| 20:02.44 | kergoth | and noticed an empty parking lot |
| 20:02.46 | kergoth | and drove hoem |
| 20:02.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:02.49 | hardwire | doh! |
| 20:02.51 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 20:02.51 | mewyn | lol |
| 20:02.56 | hardwire | btw xchat2 + xft makes me happy |
| 20:02.57 | mewyn | hate it when that happens |
| 20:03.05 | mewyn | hrm |
| 20:03.13 | kergoth | hm, i should install X |
| 20:03.14 | hardwire | playing with it today |
| 20:03.16 | mewyn | 2 of the cells in my battery are dead |
| 20:03.22 | hardwire | xchat-text even |
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| 20:14.23 | mewyn | but i trashed my controller opening the pack |
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| 20:39.26 | SHEENmaster | mother fuckin bitch ass hoe! |
| 20:39.32 | SHEENmaster | my Z broke :( |
| 20:40.03 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: should I buy one of those foldable ones? |
| 20:40.41 | [George] | SHEENmaster: what happened? |
| 20:40.46 | warmi | SHEENmaster: physically broke ? |
| 20:41.43 | oGMo | he was torturing it, and it finally broke and revealed its innermost dirty little secrets |
| 20:41.53 | oGMo | you can tell from the emotional reaction |
| 20:42.01 | SHEENmaster | oGMo: there's a pr0n add behind the lcd backing |
| 20:42.10 | SHEENmaster | warmi: the screen is in a thousand pieces |
| 20:42.13 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:42.20 | warmi | ah . you know what .. |
| 20:42.29 | oGMo | SHEENmaster: don't say that or everyone will be breaking their Zs! ;) |
| 20:42.32 | warmi | it will be cheaper to get a new Z |
| 20:42.38 | SHEENmaster | [George]: I fell off of a walkway. My kneee is bleeding, my cheek and jaw are bruised, my head hurts like hell, and my hand is leaking water. |
| 20:42.39 | warmi | they have deals for new 5500 for $200 or so |
| 20:42.46 | oGMo | warmi: whoa, $200? |
| 20:42.47 | SHEENmaster | [George]: didn't know the last one was possible |
| 20:42.54 | warmi | I am sure trying to get a new screen will be just as expensive |
| 20:42.55 | oGMo | that's nuts |
| 20:42.58 | SHEENmaster | I want a damn c700 |
| 20:43.03 | SHEENmaster | something I can code on. |
| 20:43.08 | SHEENmaster | (Java) |
| 20:43.14 | warmi | SHEENmaster: then this is your excuse to get C 700 :-) |
| 20:43.14 | oGMo | SHEENmaster: eh get a notebook then |
| 20:43.22 | mewyn | you can't code well on a zaurus |
| 20:43.26 | oGMo | a pda really isn't the thing to be doing that on |
| 20:43.28 | warmi | or was that C700 you broke ? |
| 20:43.35 | oGMo | warmi: that would suck |
| 20:43.47 | warmi | no shit |
| 20:44.14 | SHEENmaster | oGMo: I have a fuckin iBook2, but it's too big to use in class. |
| 20:44.21 | oGMo | SHEENmaster: it is? |
| 20:44.30 | SHEENmaster | warmi: it was a 5500's screen and stylus |
| 20:44.31 | mewyn | sheen: fujitsu p2000 or p1000 |
| 20:44.35 | oGMo | i know people who whipped out Dells in class |
| 20:44.38 | mewyn | www.fujitsupc.com |
| 20:44.44 | SHEENmaster | oGMo: not at my school |
| 20:44.46 | oGMo | yeah, those fujitsus are nice too |
| 20:44.58 | mewyn | small, but not /too/ small |
| 20:45.00 | oGMo | but i'd rather a powerbook |
| 20:45.05 | oGMo | or ibook or whatever |
| 20:45.15 | mewyn | oGMo: how about that 17" PB? :) |
| 20:45.29 | oGMo | SHEENmaster: they're not too big for mini-me! |
| 20:45.29 | oGMo | ;) |
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| 20:45.49 | oGMo | mewyn: let's just say if i found one laying on the street begging me to take it home, i would not have to think ;) |
| 20:46.01 | SHEENmaster | oGMo: Ellen Feiss was a much better mascot. |
| 20:46.19 | oGMo | SHEENmaster: if you're into jr. high stoner chicks, i guess ;) |
| 20:46.35 | warmi | oGMo: you heard horror stories George was spreading around this channel about how crappy apple notebooks are |
| 20:46.35 | mewyn | http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P1 sheenmaster, this is really what you want if you want somethign uuber small and to code with |
| 20:46.38 | SHEENmaster | oGMo: I think she's a freshman. |
| 20:46.45 | warmi | he even had some pictures to prove the point |
| 20:46.58 | oGMo | i don't need a mascot... i know it's got a real OS, that's enough for me |
| 20:47.23 | SHEENmaster | oGMo: OS!? I bought it for the processor! |
| 20:47.31 | oGMo | warmi: really? i haven't had that experience at all... i know a number of people who own them |
| 20:47.45 | oGMo | i've played with them a bit... but i guess i don't know what [George]'s complaints were |
| 20:47.53 | SHEENmaster | oGMo: seriously though, Linux on my 500mhz G3 iBook2 is faster than my 1ghz coppermine peecee |
| 20:48.00 | oGMo | SHEENmaster: i bought it for the little glowing apple on the front! |
| 20:48.02 | warmi | the one he has, the paint has been basically falling off of it .. |
| 20:48.08 | oGMo | wait, i didn't buy anything ;) |
| 20:48.23 | oGMo | warmi: he must have an old one, i don't think the new ones have paint |
| 20:48.24 | SHEENmaster | oGMo: I was gonna put Tux in there, but the screws on my screen are stripped :-( |
| 20:48.36 | oGMo | the old toilet-seat ibooks were crap |
| 20:48.48 | oGMo | SHEENmaster: damn heh |
| 20:49.18 | [George] | warmi: heh |
| 20:49.30 | [George] | APPLE ARE EVIL |
| 20:49.38 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: kickass |
| 20:49.45 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: can I buy one w/out winshit? |
| 20:50.24 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: I wouldn't install that crap on my own mother's machine, much less pay for it! |
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| 20:50.43 | mewyn | SHEENmaster: i doubt it, plus if you tried, chances are you'd only knock off 25 bucks |
| 20:51.12 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: WTF!? |
| 20:51.14 | oGMo | it's not like you have a choice |
| 20:51.31 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: they want $100 extra for winshit nt 5 instead of 5.1!!!! |
| 20:51.33 | oGMo | or you could go pay a lot more for a machine with crappier specs and no OS preloaded ;) |
| 20:51.37 | mewyn | SHEENmaster: you aren't gonna find any name brands without an OS. |
| 20:51.55 | mewyn | then just put XP home on it, an live with it |
| 20:51.57 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: my mac at least had a usefull os |
| 20:52.10 | oGMo | you'll pay more in S&H and/or sales tax |
| 20:52.13 | mewyn | it's not like you /HAVE/ to run MS Windows |
| 20:52.25 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: I won't, and I won't pay for it either. |
| 20:52.45 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: I'll write them a nasty email calling them "pions of the evil empire" and such. |
| 20:52.50 | mewyn | you'd rather pay the apple tax? |
| 20:53.02 | mewyn | it's the same fucking shit either way |
| 20:53.19 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: but OS 9 and OS X are usable. |
| 20:53.34 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: I regularly boot OS 9 inside Linux to run Bryce and Flash MX |
| 20:53.36 | mewyn | depends on who you talk to |
| 20:53.44 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: REALTIME, no joke. |
| 20:54.03 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: and none of that mouse-capturing shit like peecee emulators have. |
| 20:54.33 | mewyn | ok, i don't want to discuss weather you can buy one without MS Windows, and I don't want to talk to you about it. NEVER BRING IT UP AROUND ME AGAIN. |
| 20:55.12 | SHEENmaster | mewyn: k, I understand that people are sick of the "winshit sucks royal ass" flamewars. |
| 20:55.35 | mewyn | alright. |
| 20:55.37 | oGMo | hehe |
| 20:58.11 | nayr | arg |
| 20:58.30 | nayr | opie segfaulted today in class and i lost all the notes I took :-( |
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| 20:59.31 | SHEENmaster | nayr: the textedit app? |
| 20:59.44 | SHEENmaster | nayr: you have to "save" or "save as", but I don't remember which |
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| 20:59.51 | nayr | well |
| 20:59.56 | nayr | it didnt segfault |
| 20:59.58 | nayr | opie did |
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| 21:00.24 | nayr | a auto-save feature would be nice |
| 21:00.39 | kergoth | nayr: open a feature request in the bug tracking system |
| 21:00.59 | nayr | for opie or oz? |
| 21:01.46 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:01.49 | kergoth | its an opie app. |
| 21:02.01 | nayr | so the opie's bug tracking? |
| 21:02.08 | kergoth | yes. |
| 21:02.16 | kergoth | why dont people understand it? |
| 21:02.20 | kergoth | its not that complecated |
| 21:02.22 | kergoth | opie is the gui |
| 21:02.26 | kergoth | OZ is the distro |
| 21:02.33 | kergoth | just like kde+X is the gui, redhat is the distro |
| 21:03.00 | nayr | i understand |
| 21:03.00 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: my Z broke :-( |
| 21:03.03 | nayr | i was just makin sure |
| 21:03.11 | kergoth | SHEENmaster: ack |
| 21:03.14 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: care to send me that C700 you're testing and report it as stolen? |
| 21:03.21 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: I'd really appreciate it. |
| 21:03.34 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 21:03.35 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: file off the serial number first |
| 21:03.35 | nayr | lol |
| 21:03.45 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:03.49 | SHEENmaster | can I get a replacement screen? |
| 21:04.08 | kergoth | heh, i busted my touchscreen digitizer on my 5000d |
| 21:04.15 | kergoth | its in an enclosed unit with the lcd |
| 21:04.18 | kergoth | i called to see about fixing it |
| 21:04.21 | kergoth | not covered under warranty |
| 21:04.31 | kergoth | they wanted like fucking $350 to fix it, for a $500 unit |
| 21:04.32 | kergoth | i said fuck you |
| 21:04.35 | kergoth | and bought a 5500 |
| 21:04.36 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:05.02 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: I might wait for a c700 |
| 21:05.07 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: install X and some other shit |
| 21:06.04 | [George] | SHEENmaster: hrmm... $350 to fix... $229 for a 5500 ;) |
| 21:06.19 | [George] | kergoth: you have a C700? |
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| 21:06.55 | kergoth | [George]: on loan |
| 21:07.03 | icefox | Hey there |
| 21:07.15 | icefox | yah for the 1 day off from work I get 18" of snow |
| 21:07.32 | arpia | i got 2 feet |
| 21:07.37 | icefox | oh? |
| 21:07.42 | icefox | where are you |
| 21:07.57 | arpia | baltimore |
| 21:07.57 | [George] | kergoth: why? |
| 21:07.59 | icefox | I wonder how much I will have when it stops. Still coming |
| 21:08.06 | kergoth | [George]: to assist with the conversion |
| 21:08.15 | arpia | here stopped |
| 21:08.17 | [George] | kergoth: to OZ? |
| 21:08.19 | kergoth | [George]: though I havent had shit for time |
| 21:08.32 | chouimat | icefox: only 18" ... since december we got 120" here |
| 21:08.53 | arpia | where are you? ice |
| 21:08.55 | kergoth | [George]: no, just the preperation for the US market, they wanted to enhance the existing rom a bit with some OZ items |
| 21:09.05 | icefox | NJ |
| 21:09.08 | kergoth | [George]: not sure what the status is now, I've been so fucking busy lately its been on hold |
| 21:09.26 | icefox | chouimat: yah but NJ doesn't even have a budget for this kinda stuff |
| 21:09.28 | [George] | kergoth: ahh... so the C700 *is* coming outside Japan? |
| 21:09.29 | chouimat | kergoth: still dating? |
| 21:09.43 | arpia | this is cool iam using the Z! |
| 21:09.47 | kergoth | [George]: um, you can buy them from dynamism now. |
| 21:09.59 | kergoth | [George]: quite a few people have them already |
| 21:10.03 | chouimat | icefox: yup, I saw what you use as shovel :) |
| 21:10.03 | kergoth | chouimat: yes |
| 21:10.07 | icefox | When I lived in upstate ny and we would get 1 foot overnight it was called monday and when I got up my street was plowed and clear. They still havn't cleared my road and I live on the cities main street |
| 21:10.27 | icefox | here in nj |
| 21:10.32 | icefox | it is amusing |
| 21:10.46 | chouimat | [George]: kergoth is getting a life that the reason why he's busy |
| 21:10.54 | [George] | kergoth: I meant officially ;) |
| 21:11.03 | kergoth | [George]: who knows. |
| 21:11.30 | chouimat | lol my cat is having fun with the scanner |
| 21:12.43 | oGMo | hehe |
| 21:12.54 | Twiun | chouimat: post the scan :) |
| 21:13.58 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: argh |
| 21:14.02 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: I miss my Z! |
| 21:14.23 | SHEENmaster | ibot:bitchslap rain |
| 21:14.24 | | SHEENmaster: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:14.32 | SHEENmaster | ibot: bitchslap rain |
| 21:14.33 | | SHEENmaster: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:14.38 | SHEENmaster | ibot: lart rain |
| 21:15.17 | arpia | cwaig are you up? |
| 21:17.56 | cwaig | arpia - yep...... |
| 21:18.06 | arpia | man the keyboard and the wireless drain the batt quickq |
| 21:18.40 | cwaig | that's why there's an on/off in the IRK control panel..... |
| 21:19.10 | cwaig | dunno about the wireless though (my CF slot's filled with a 1Gig microdrive) |
| 21:19.25 | arpia | did you look at the LPRng? |
| 21:19.46 | arpia | any hope foor printer? |
| 21:20.30 | cwaig | I did - but as none of the Z apps actually has a "print" option, it seemed a bit pointless..... |
| 21:20.53 | kergoth | heh, go add a printing class to libopie and add it to the pim apps |
| 21:20.55 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:21.08 | arpia | :( ho ... well |
| 21:21.32 | cwaig | ah - kergoth.......any idea about what's up with ttyS2 in OZ? |
| 21:21.49 | kergoth | irda? |
| 21:22.12 | kergoth | yeah, its due to lineo screwing something up in the kernel tree that I didnt notice |
| 21:22.17 | kergoth | it'll be fixed in rc3 |
| 21:22.28 | cwaig | topper :) |
| 21:23.10 | cwaig | I did try OZ (only 3.0) - I assume the ttyS? device minors have been fixed since then? |
| 21:23.18 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:24.55 | nayr | any estimates yet on rc3? |
| 21:25.05 | nayr | this week, a few more weeks.. anything? |
| 21:25.26 | kergoth | when its done |
| 21:25.33 | nayr | pfft |
| 21:25.33 | nayr | heh |
| 21:25.34 | kergoth | I have no idea .. I'm really busy lately |
| 21:25.43 | nayr | allright |
| 21:25.53 | kergoth | have a real life, not to mention shitloads of projects at work, etc |
| 21:26.02 | nayr | i hear ya |
| 21:26.49 | nayr | it'll proably be a while then huh? |
| 21:27.01 | kergoth | again, i have no idea |
| 21:27.26 | arpia | has anybody tried a pen scanner with the Z? |
| 21:28.17 | arpia | i ordered one but haven't got it yet |
| 21:28.22 | warmi | I think having an option for generating Postscript ( which comes by default with qt ) should be enough on the zaurus |
| 21:28.32 | warmi | just move it later to the printer of your choice and you are done |
| 21:28.39 | [George] | back |
| 21:29.24 | warmi | arpia: pen scanner ? you mean like a pen sized scanner ? |
| 21:29.32 | arpia | yeap |
| 21:29.50 | warmi | is there any ocr software for the Z ? |
| 21:29.59 | arpia | i'll use it to get code from books |
| 21:30.22 | arpia | it out puts to pdas IR |
| 21:30.36 | warmi | ah . so this is something semi-universal |
| 21:30.43 | arpia | $110 |
| 21:31.26 | nofpu | and gocr? |
| 21:31.40 | arpia | i guess i'll be first one to know if it works |
| 21:32.13 | arpia | it has ocr for pc |
| 21:33.06 | warmi | 110 is pretty expensive considering that these days one can get flatbed scanners for $50 - but I guess that is the price for having a scanner in a pen |
| 21:33.08 | warmi | -) |
| 21:33.40 | arpia | but it fits in the pocket |
| 21:34.26 | arpia | it works with phones too |
| 21:34.44 | arpia | made by wizcom |
| 21:35.32 | warmi | yeah, sounds cool |
| 21:35.42 | warmi | if it works with the Z , it would be great |
| 21:36.11 | arpia | i hope so it would help me in school too |
| 21:36.56 | gaurdian | Oracle 9i, the Complete Reference and Oracle 9i, the DBA Handbook |
| 21:37.00 | gaurdian | MT |
| 21:37.05 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: I'm sure you investigate OZ's competition. |
| 21:37.22 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: is there a distro for the Z that would let me use it headless? |
| 21:37.37 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: aka, I could put my wifi card's info onto the cf card and flash it. |
| 21:37.38 | kergoth | SHEENmaster: OZ would. just build a minimal rootfs without opie |
| 21:37.50 | kergoth | ah, flashing is another story |
| 21:38.04 | kergoth | you can do it, via writing to flash through /dev/mem directly .. |
| 21:38.05 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: the k/b and reset button still work |
| 21:38.34 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: I use a usb device for cf access on my Linux iBook2 |
| 21:38.43 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 21:38.54 | kergoth | well yeah then, just do a minimalist OZ rootfs |
| 21:39.22 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: will the cardmng daemon handle my wifi card, or is it dependant upon the cardapplet? |
| 21:39.28 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: and wtf should my Z do? |
| 21:39.39 | kergoth | all cardapplet does is calls cardctl eject and cardctl insert |
| 21:39.51 | kergoth | its just a interface, the real work is done by cardmgr |
| 21:39.58 | kergoth | hell if i know |
| 21:40.04 | kergoth | you could make it a web server or something |
| 21:40.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:40.06 | kergoth | hell if i know |
| 21:40.08 | kergoth | mp3 player |
| 21:40.10 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: but is the interface necessary or will cardmng handle instert w/out the applet |
| 21:40.22 | kergoth | SHEENmaster: insert has nothing to do with the applet. |
| 21:40.27 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: k |
| 21:40.27 | kergoth | SHEENmaster: |
| 21:40.32 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: |
| 21:40.36 | kergoth | GRR |
| 21:40.40 | kergoth | this fucking kernel i'm on |
| 21:40.46 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: NT? |
| 21:40.47 | kergoth | periodically my machine _hangs_ for about a second |
| 21:40.53 | kergoth | then returns to normal operation |
| 21:40.57 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: yep, sounds like the NT kernel. |
| 21:41.00 | kergoth | adn does it every 5 minutes or so |
| 21:41.03 | kergoth | nono, this is fucking linux |
| 21:41.03 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: except for the resuming part |
| 21:41.05 | kergoth | 2.4.20 |
| 21:41.10 | kergoth | pissing me off |
| 21:41.16 | kergoth | and it doesnt occur in win2k/xp |
| 21:41.18 | kergoth | on the same box |
| 21:41.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:41.32 | kergoth | im gonna try out rmap, see if that helps |
| 21:41.44 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: how can I test all the ram in my box? |
| 21:41.50 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: prefferably w/out taking it down |
| 21:41.56 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: sorry if this is offtopic |
| 21:42.14 | kergoth | theres a nice linux mem tester, but i believe you need to take it down |
| 21:42.19 | kergoth | umm, let me try to recall its name |
| 21:42.29 | kergoth | one of the distros used to ship it as an option in its grub boot menu |
| 21:42.33 | kergoth | i dont recall which.. maybe conectiva |
| 21:42.40 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: how long would it take for .75gb? |
| 21:43.00 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: I lose my dhcp lock if I'm offline for more than 4 hours. |
| 21:43.06 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: that would suck |
| 21:43.11 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: royally |
| 21:43.13 | kergoth | true that |
| 21:43.28 | [George] | hrmm.. I'm running NT 4 in VMWare on a 450MHz K6-2... with 160MB RAM |
| 21:43.43 | [George] | Whilst running KDE 2 |
| 21:43.44 | [George] | This system is lagging like hell |
| 21:43.48 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: luckily, the desktop/router I built for my dad is secondary dns. |
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| 21:44.07 | SHEENmaster | [George]: moreso than my vr3? |
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| 21:44.21 | nerdboy | howdy |
| 21:44.55 | [George] | SHEENmaster: yes |
| 21:45.04 | [George] | SHEENmaster: why are you crying =P |
| 21:46.01 | nerdboy | so i'm configuring the 2.4.10 kernel... |
| 21:46.04 | kergoth | [George]: his Z is hosed |
| 21:46.07 | kergoth | nerdboy: .10? |
| 21:46.17 | nerdboy | is the usbdnet in there the new one? |
| 21:46.24 | nerdboy | oops |
| 21:46.27 | nerdboy | 2.4.20 |
| 21:47.04 | kergoth | um, 1) 2.4.20 doesnt include usbdnet, cause usbdnet is crap |
| 21:47.08 | kergoth | 2) there is no new usbdnet |
| 21:47.13 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: yes it is crap |
| 21:47.20 | SHEENmaster | nerdboy: utter crap |
| 21:47.25 | nerdboy | the 7th (and last) driver under USB Network adaptors |
| 21:47.27 | kergoth | 2.4.20 does not include Z support for *usbnet* if thats what you mean |
| 21:47.32 | kergoth | usbnet != usbdnet |
| 21:47.33 | SHEENmaster | nerdboy: do PPPoIrDA and save yourself some trouble. |
| 21:47.36 | kergoth | _completely_ different drivers |
| 21:47.45 | nerdboy | says USBD Network (Encapsulated... |
| 21:47.53 | kergoth | nerdboy: then you patched your tree |
| 21:47.57 | kergoth | 2.4.20 stock doesnt include usbd. |
| 21:48.00 | nerdboy | nope |
| 21:48.08 | nerdboy | it's the latest gentoo-sources |
| 21:48.13 | kergoth | then gentoo patched it |
| 21:48.15 | kergoth | ONCE AGAIN |
| 21:48.17 | nerdboy | which is patched |
| 21:48.21 | kergoth | 2.4.20 _does_ _not_ include usbdnet |
| 21:48.25 | kergoth | because usbdnet is _crap_ |
| 21:48.28 | kergoth | and _will_ panic your box |
| 21:48.42 | kergoth | get the Z support patch for usbnet and use that |
| 21:48.49 | kergoth | gentoo and mandrake were foolish for including it in that state |
| 21:48.59 | nerdboy | kergoth: this is the usbdnet i used on 2.4.17, 18, and 19? |
| 21:49.12 | nerdboy | when i had to patch it myself... |
| 21:49.18 | kergoth | thats what usbdnet is.. |
| 21:49.24 | kergoth | its always been crap |
| 21:49.25 | treke | too bad there is no decent usbnet windows driver |
| 21:49.27 | kergoth | it always will be crap |
| 21:49.40 | treke | the bahia driver is also crap :) |
| 21:49.43 | kergoth | treke: yeah no kidding |
| 21:49.52 | nerdboy | kergoth: i don't know, i never had the problems some people had... |
| 21:49.52 | fishy | is the SL5600 out yet? |
| 21:49.53 | kergoth | treke: but you can use USBD on your ipaq |
| 21:50.03 | kergoth | nerdboy: the driver is crap. if you didnt have problems its due to pure luck |
| 21:50.08 | treke | I'd rather just not use windows myself :) |
| 21:50.10 | kergoth | fishy: no |
| 21:50.12 | nerdboy | but i have 5000D |
| 21:50.19 | kergoth | nerdboy: irrelevent |
| 21:50.29 | kergoth | nerdboy: 5000d and 5500 both use the same device side usb stack |
| 21:50.32 | fishy | kergoth, do you know the release date? |
| 21:50.35 | kergoth | fishy: nope |
| 21:50.40 | fishy | k |
| 21:50.42 | fishy | :) |
| 21:50.47 | kergoth | treke: good plan |
| 21:50.49 | fishy | im trying to hold out |
| 21:50.51 | nerdboy | okay then, should i patch it with the usbnet driver? |
| 21:51.04 | nerdboy | do i need to remove the older one? |
| 21:51.17 | nerdboy | the crap one... |
| 21:51.27 | kergoth | you can leave it in there.. |
| 21:51.29 | kergoth | just dont enable it |
| 21:51.53 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:52.06 | nerdboy | is the usbnet patch for 2.4.20 linked off the howto page? |
| 21:54.02 | nerdboy | nope, wrong one... |
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| 22:00.08 | nerdboy | where can i get the usbnet patch? |
| 22:00.11 | nerdboy | googling hasn't helped so far... |
| 22:05.36 | kergoth | nerdboy: linux-usb-devel mailing list archives, or greg k-h's homedir on ftp.kernel.org |
| 22:13.50 | nerdboy | man, there's a butt-load of patches on here... |
| 22:14.26 | nerdboy | is the usb-usbnet-2.4.20.patch the only one i need? |
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| 22:25.50 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: could I just mount the initrd of rc1 and modify the installation scripts? |
| 22:27.40 | nerdboy | SHEENmaster: mount as loop device, i believe |
| 22:29.33 | SHEENmaster | nerdboy: what fs? |
| 22:30.15 | kergoth | its jffs2, you cant mount jffs2 on loop |
| 22:30.30 | SHEENmaster | nerdboy: rw? |
| 22:30.45 | SHEENmaster | nerdboy: some evil filesystems (like iso9660) are ro |
| 22:30.55 | SHEENmaster | kergoth* |
| 22:31.04 | kergoth | of course its rw |
| 22:31.12 | kergoth | its rw on your Z isnt it? |
| 22:31.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:31.21 | kergoth | you need to use the 'mtdram' driver to mount it |
| 22:31.31 | kergoth | which puts a mtd layer on a portion of ram |
| 22:31.33 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: Debian is rw on my laptop, but the installation image isn't. |
| 22:31.47 | kergoth | jesus |
| 22:31.51 | kergoth | initrd.bin is _not_ an installation image |
| 22:31.58 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: oh |
| 22:31.58 | kergoth | it is _exactly_ what gets put on your Z's flash. |
| 22:31.59 | kergoth | exactly. |
| 22:32.13 | kergoth | dd if=initrd.bin of=/dev/yourmtddevice would do the same thing has flashing |
| 22:32.15 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: so I could rip my Z's rom and use that as an initrd? |
| 22:32.17 | kergoth | s/has/as/ |
| 22:32.18 | kergoth | yes |
| 22:32.24 | kergoth | you can rip your Z's flash and then flash it back later |
| 22:32.25 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: kickass |
| 22:32.31 | kergoth | complex is fond of using that for a backup method |
| 22:32.51 | nerdboy | SHEENmaster: sorry dude, more complicated than i thought... |
| 22:32.52 | kergoth | but dwmw2 warns its dangerous and doesnt advise it |
| 22:32.58 | kergoth | and he is the jffs2 maintainer :) |
| 22:33.09 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: wtf!? |
| 22:33.17 | kergoth | jffs2 could be in the middle of moving data around the disk in its GC while you dd it |
| 22:33.32 | kergoth | which means, that data exists only in ram while its moving it.. in the wrong circumstances you could lose data doing it |
| 22:33.41 | kergoth | you're best off using tar to back it all up, not dd |
| 22:33.43 | kergoth | for that reason |
| 22:33.47 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: what if I remounted it ro? |
| 22:33.56 | kergoth | then you'd probably be fine |
| 22:34.34 | SHEENmaster | kergoth: k, I'll wait until those imaginary monkeys stop throwing feces at me before attempting this. |
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| 23:10.46 | nerdboy | hey raster |
| 23:11.39 | mewyn` | GAH! |
| 23:11.47 | mewyn` | my tivo went stupid again!!! !!! |
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| 23:17.28 | raster | nerdboy: yop |
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| 23:18.52 | treke|home | JasonNJ |
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| 23:19.14 | raster | bing |
| 23:19.20 | raster | JasonNJ: yo |
| 23:19.23 | mewyn` | hey jason |
| 23:20.15 | JasonNJ | yo raster. |
| 23:22.31 | raster | JasonNJ: hows the relaxing going? |
| 23:24.29 | [-George-] | hey JasonNJ |
| 23:27.02 | JasonNJ | raster, not very relaxing, I have attorneys working nonstop in california at the moment... |
| 23:27.24 | JasonNJ | but I'm buried in 3 feet plus of snow at the moment |
| 23:28.13 | raster | JasonNJ: really? beating them with sticks? |
| 23:28.36 | raster | (the attorneys that is) |
| 23:28.36 | raster | :) |
| 23:28.39 | raster | mmm snow |
| 23:28.47 | raster | its been thunderstorms and showers here |
| 23:28.50 | raster | pretty cool |
| 23:28.54 | raster | about 70F |
| 23:28.55 | raster | :) |
| 23:33.10 | ljp_ | ulyx weather kbjc |
| 23:33.11 | ulyx | 1 hours, 3 minutes ago, on Mon Feb 17 22:45:00 UTC 2003, the wind was blowing at a speed of 4.12 meters per second (9.21 miles per hour) from the West/Southwest at KBJC. The temperature was 12 degrees Celsius (54 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1013 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 13.6%. There were a few clouds at a height of 2438 meters (8000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 6096 meters |
| 23:33.11 | ulyx | (20000 feet). |
| 23:34.54 | mspencer | ulyx weather koma |
| 23:34.54 | ulyx | 58 minutes ago, on Mon Feb 17 22:52:00 UTC 2003, the wind was blowing at a speed of 4.12 meters per second (9.21 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KOMA. The temperature was 0.6 degrees Celsius (32.6 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1012 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 75.1%. The sky was clear. |
| 23:35.02 | mspencer | cool, it works for anyone! ^__^ |
| 23:35.34 | mspencer | Well, I went ahead and bought the parts for my battery pack. :) |
| 23:36.40 | mspencer | Radio Shack likes to nickel and dime ya to death... X__X |
| 23:39.00 | nerdboy | mspencer: making your own external pack? |
| 23:41.01 | George- | I'm Guybrush Threepwood!!!! |
| 23:41.20 | mspencer | yep :) |
| 23:41.58 | George- | I wanna be a pirate, but I have a stupid name! |
| 23:45.20 | mspencer | bbl...I'll be sure and make (yet another) page about my pack building adventures. I don't even know how to solder, so this might be a challenge. :) |
| 23:45.30 | nerdboy | George-: i remember that game... |
| 23:45.47 | nerdboy | the music was cool... |
| 23:45.47 | George- | nerdboy: The Secret of Monkey Island ;) |
| 23:45.52 | nerdboy | yup |
| 23:45.56 | George- | I'm playing it on my Z |
| 23:45.57 | George- | lol |
| 23:46.12 | nerdboy | cool |
| 23:47.16 | George- | nerdboy: I swear, Guybrush Threepwood is the stupidest name ever ;) |
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| 23:49.53 | treke|home | George-: and you fight like a cow |
| 23:51.25 | George- | treke|home: lol |
