| 00:07.01 | Neo|Work | http://hardware.localhost.nl/index.php?ct=nothing&pic=/pictures/Miscellaneous/MEMORY.JPG |
| 00:07.18 | mchouinar | Neo|Work: what that? |
| 00:07.20 | Neo|Work | wow! memory card turns your computer into a working GIANT!!!! |
| 00:07.23 | SuKoShi_ | ;) |
| 00:07.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:07.42 | kergoth | 16K! |
| 00:07.43 | kergoth | whew |
| 00:07.43 | Neo|Work | FAST! operats at up to 4 MHz!!! |
| 00:08.17 | kergoth | Not just beyond 64K, but far beyond -- up to 512K bytes if you wish |
| 00:09.01 | Neo|Work | and it's cheap too! :) |
| 00:09.10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmf |
| 00:09.12 | mchouinar | I'm in console ... |
| 00:09.19 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't find any linux apps to show shp files |
| 00:09.34 | hobbs | No wait states! |
| 00:09.34 | kergoth | mchouinar: w3m-img :) |
| 00:09.50 | hobbs | what's an shp file? :) |
| 00:09.50 | kergoth | mchouinar: or links2 |
| 00:09.57 | TheMasterMind1 | shapefile |
| 00:10.01 | TheMasterMind1 | for map stuff |
| 00:10.02 | kergoth | mchouinar: or wget + fbi :) |
| 00:10.05 | mchouinar | kergoth: ulyx logged it so .. |
| 00:10.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:10.33 | Neo|Work | kergoth: dammit, needs FAT-16 SD card |
| 00:10.35 | Neo|Work | (figures) |
| 00:10.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:10.41 | Neo|Work | my SD is ext-formatted |
| 00:10.47 | hobbs | And with support for the IMSAI 8080 :) |
| 00:10.57 | mchouinar | Neo|Work: get another one then |
| 00:11.05 | Neo|Work | mchouinar: so expensive. :P |
| 00:11.24 | mchouinar | ulyx praise Neo|Work |
| 00:11.46 | mchouinar | Neo|Work: how big? |
| 00:11.56 | Neo|Work | >= 32 MB |
| 00:12.15 | Neo|Work | I can also just take my SD, back it up, format it with fat-16, flash and reformat with ext2 again |
| 00:12.23 | Neo|Work | cat < /dev/sda > backup :) |
| 00:12.23 | mchouinar | Neo|Work: 32MB are 69.99 CAD |
| 00:12.42 | mchouinar | Neo|Work: sd or CF? |
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| 00:23.52 | SuperCal | Hello |
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| 00:26.51 | Neo|Work | chouimat: SD, and yes, that is quite expensive. Like just over $1/MB or so for small cards I think |
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| 00:32.47 | sheenmaster | Neo|Work: I got a 256mb SD card for $90. |
| 00:33.03 | sheenmaster | Neo|Work: still expensive though |
| 00:33.29 | sheenmaster | Neo|Work: If I ever find a CF->SCSI card I'll be set! |
| 00:33.45 | sheenmaster | (with my portable scsi cd-rom drive) |
| 00:33.50 | sheenmaster | (2x!) |
| 00:35.09 | SuKoShi_ | webcam for C700 : http://www.ei.fukui-nct.ac.jp/~t-saitoh/hobby/treva/ |
| 00:36.14 | SuperCal | Thats a great deal on the SD card, where did you get it? |
| 00:37.03 | SuperCal | I think there was some talk about a CF->IDE hack... That would be cool to. |
| 00:37.44 | SuKoShi_ | i've found a japanese hack FC >pcmcia idecontroler > 20Gb HDD |
| 00:37.48 | SuKoShi_ | on C700 |
| 00:38.06 | KeyserSoze | you can get a ide->cf adapter cheap, i've never seen the reverse. |
| 00:38.12 | SuperCal | Whats the coolest new software for the Zaurus? I want to play around... |
| 00:39.27 | oGMo | zsi has it all |
| 00:40.01 | SuperCal | Sorry KeyserSoze, thats what I should have typed |
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| 00:41.11 | KeyserSoze | 19.99, right here: http://www.acscontrol.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=ACS&Product_Code=ACS-CF-IDEToCFA&Category_Code=COMPACT_FLASH |
| 00:41.19 | KeyserSoze | i was just about to order a couple. |
| 00:41.47 | effy-kun | what brand has the best SD to buy? |
| 00:42.54 | oGMo | effy-kun: i have heard that sandisk SD is slower than the others |
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| 00:43.24 | effy-kun | I've heard nothing but crap about SanDisk hehe |
| 00:43.24 | oGMo | i have a few of their CF and those are fine, but the one SD i have is pretty bad by comparison |
| 00:43.30 | effy-kun | Damned Frenchies :P |
| 00:43.30 | oGMo | hehe |
| 00:43.40 | SuperCal | My sandisk does seem slower then my panisonic... No numbers to back that up though. |
| 00:43.55 | effy-kun | and why would anyone want to buy a IDE-CF adapter? |
| 00:44.04 | effy-kun | prefer smaller-sized hdd? |
| 00:44.09 | chouimat | sandisk CF are ok |
| 00:44.20 | SuKoShi_ | i'd better buy a CF-IDE one |
| 00:44.36 | oGMo | CF->IDE would be neat |
| 00:44.37 | chouimat | effy-kun: embedded systems |
| 00:44.40 | oGMo | hook up a cdrom ;) |
| 00:44.59 | effy-kun | haha |
| 00:45.00 | oGMo | as long as it had its own batteries |
| 00:45.38 | effy-kun | embedded systems. if it's embedded why do you need a CF over an IDE drive when the thing seems to have been originally spec'd for a hdd? |
| 00:46.02 | kergoth | effy-kun: it wasnt necessarily spec'd for a hdd, and CF is more compact |
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| 00:46.14 | kergoth | ide->cf is perfect for the webpal for example |
| 00:46.45 | effy-kun | kergoth: what was not spec'd for an IDE hdd? why build in an IDE I/F when you mean to add a CF I/F? hehehe |
| 00:47.15 | effy-kun | btw, kergoth, you have any preference for file format for those docs? |
| 00:47.20 | kergoth | heh, just because it has an IDE i/f doesnt mean its even used for anything, and i'd rather have CF than a HD in as mall device like that |
| 00:47.36 | kergoth | nah, no preference. whateve ryou prefer, i'll figure out how to open it :) |
| 00:48.06 | effy-kun | so Visio 2002 is going to present no problems? hehe |
| 00:48.22 | kergoth | nah, we've got it floating around my work somewhere, our docs people use it |
| 00:48.44 | KeyserSoze | i'm ordering a half dozen single board computers. they have PC104, and disk on chip, but the cheapest way to use flash memory is with a ide->cf adapter. much more commonly available than DOC or PC104 flash modules, and easier to swap out. |
| 00:48.45 | effy-kun | if I have to redraw that diagram, it'll take a lot longer than if I copied the graphic and put an arrow next to it and then the translation |
| 00:48.46 | chouimat | effy-kun: latex |
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| 00:49.16 | effy-kun | chouimat: I'm sure I can accomodate ;) |
| 00:49.27 | chouimat | effy-kun: hehe |
| 00:49.43 | effy-kun | I think the hardest part would be drawing the diagram. I'm just no good at it. :P |
| 00:50.23 | chouimat | effy-kun: or put the reference page of the japanese doc in the translated one :) |
| 00:51.30 | KeyserSoze | say, how do you know if a CF card is 5v or 3.3v? |
| 00:51.40 | effy-kun | ? |
| 00:51.43 | effy-kun | hehe |
| 00:51.48 | hobbs | I thought CF was required to work at either. |
| 00:52.06 | KeyserSoze | some of the ide->cf adapters only provide 5v :( |
| 00:52.14 | effy-kun | well, I'll draw it out in Visio, cause I use it at work enough to get around just fine ;) |
| 00:54.58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:55.02 | chouimat | effy-kun: you can always convert the diagram to another format |
| 00:55.02 | TheMasterMind1 | KeyserSoze: sup |
| 00:55.20 | TheMasterMind1 | KeyserSoze: i talked to hardwire, seems shapefiles are pretty much the smaller standard format i was talking about :) |
| 00:55.21 | KeyserSoze | TheMasterMind1: not too much. |
| 00:55.29 | TheMasterMind1 | so just gotta write something to use them |
| 00:55.34 | KeyserSoze | cool. and it's an open format. |
| 00:55.37 | KeyserSoze | ? |
| 00:55.45 | TheMasterMind1 | i think so |
| 00:55.51 | TheMasterMind1 | its commercial company |
| 00:55.55 | TheMasterMind1 | but they have pdf on the specs of the file |
| 00:56.06 | TheMasterMind1 | and there's lots of code and even a library already to work with the files |
| 00:56.09 | KeyserSoze | where can you get data from? |
| 00:56.29 | KeyserSoze | or, do you convert form TIGER to shapefiles? |
| 00:56.46 | TheMasterMind1 | KeyserSoze: http://arcdata.esri.com/data/tiger2000/tiger_download.cfm |
| 00:56.57 | TheMasterMind1 | KeyserSoze: http://gdal.velocet.ca/projects/shapelib/ |
| 00:57.10 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: ok those formats |
| 00:57.46 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 00:58.29 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: nm |
| 00:59.04 | chouimat | chouimat: used to use them in another life |
| 00:59.30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:59.32 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
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| 01:00.23 | chouimat| | hmm 20h00 bbl |
| 01:00.32 | leto | hi lads |
| 01:01.11 | leto | I have a problem with my Z |
| 01:01.25 | leto | actually, I don't have much memory less |
| 01:02.02 | leto | I have a popup saying : The memory is very low. Please end this application immediately. |
| 01:02.24 | leto | But it seems I can't do anything more, |
| 01:02.52 | leto | am I stuck ? |
| 01:03.06 | leto | Do I need to process a full reset ? |
| 01:04.36 | hardwire | TheMasterMind1: found a better storage type |
| 01:04.39 | hardwire | optimizing a few things |
| 01:05.02 | TheMasterMind1 | better than sqlite or what |
| 01:06.34 | KeyserSoze | ah, TheMasterMind1's co-conspirator. Hi hardwire. |
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| 01:14.28 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: hey |
| 01:16.11 | hardwire | TheMasterMind1: yeah.. storing data in my own dbase style |
| 01:16.33 | hardwire | just looked up all the verts for 10180 lines in 1.99 seconds.. on a slow ass laptop |
| 01:16.39 | hardwire | so instead of fileio being too slow now |
| 01:16.49 | hardwire | its actually the graphics processor library thats too slow |
| 01:16.49 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:16.55 | hardwire | well.. |
| 01:17.02 | hardwire | I was drawing lots of shit I don't need to |
| 01:17.05 | KeyserSoze | what graphics library? |
| 01:17.07 | hardwire | gd |
| 01:17.12 | hardwire | libart |
| 01:17.16 | hardwire | gtks canvas |
| 01:17.18 | hardwire | picogui |
| 01:17.55 | hardwire | I need a much faster way to translate and scale an array of vertices |
| 01:19.50 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:19.51 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 01:19.53 | TheMasterMind1 | very nice |
| 01:20.01 | KeyserSoze | tiger data is organized by road type, isn't it? so maybe if you are zoomed out, you can just draw highways. and if you are in close, where you have to draw all roads, the area is smaller so there won't be as many to draw. |
| 01:20.55 | leto | hum, just a basic question |
| 01:21.08 | hardwire | yes duke? |
| 01:21.21 | hardwire | KeyserSoze: it does have flags for that |
| 01:21.36 | hardwire | not hard to do |
| 01:21.37 | leto | is ssh the usual way to connect to an openzaurus through the cradle ? |
| 01:22.07 | hardwire | KeyserSoze: just testing draw speeds and access times now |
| 01:22.29 | leto | ssh-ing from my linux box to my Z seems to hang the usbdnet module |
| 01:22.47 | hobbs | leto: _anything_ will hang the usbdnet module. don't use it. :) |
| 01:22.49 | hardwire | leto: hmm.. ssh is just "a" method |
| 01:22.54 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:23.03 | hardwire | but yeah.. usbdnet sucks |
| 01:23.08 | KeyserSoze | what data are you drawing? straight TIGER data? or those shapefiles TheMasterMind1 mentioned. |
| 01:23.30 | leto | hobbs : arghl :o) |
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| 01:23.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: i'm interested in using this fast dataformat of yours :) |
| 01:23.47 | leto | yess, I realize indeed it freezes after a while |
| 01:23.51 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: lo |
| 01:23.56 | TheMasterMind1 | would be really nice if youre gonna run map software on zaurus or something |
| 01:23.58 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: whats new |
| 01:23.58 | hobbs | leto: use the usbnet in recent 2.4 (.21pre or .20 plus patches, I believe), or 2.5 |
| 01:23.59 | leto | whether I use ssh or not |
| 01:23.59 | hardwire | TheMasterMind1: heh.. I know.. still testing stuff |
| 01:24.11 | hardwire | using pythons array.tostring() |
| 01:24.12 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: i still want some of em ide->cf.. :) how goes hackkit and stuff? |
| 01:24.22 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: hah |
| 01:24.24 | hardwire | gonna try using marshal and storing whole dicts that define a road |
| 01:24.27 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: like php's serialize() eh |
| 01:24.29 | leto | hobbs : ok, thanks for the info |
| 01:24.35 | hardwire | TheMasterMind1: basically |
| 01:24.42 | hardwire | there are tons of ways to do it in python |
| 01:25.06 | hobbs | leto: no problem. |
| 01:25.07 | hardwire | but yeah |
| 01:25.11 | hardwire | time to try Marshal |
| 01:25.22 | KeyserSoze | TheMasterMind1: what ide->cf? i am looking for one right now. found a few different ones for $20, looking for a cheap one that does 5v and 3.3v... |
| 01:25.26 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: ssdd |
| 01:25.42 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: ya i got the ide->cf adapters in, but i've not had time to ship any |
| 01:26.14 | KeyserSoze | prpplague: you're selling ide->cf adapters? what specs? |
| 01:27.03 | leto | is usbnet the better way, compared to PPP over USB ? |
| 01:27.06 | Neo|Work | hrm. where is Jason when you need him |
| 01:27.29 | TheMasterMind1 | leto: ya |
| 01:27.34 | ljp | yo |
| 01:27.40 | ljp | what up 'G'? |
| 01:27.48 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 01:28.01 | leto | okay. |
| 01:28.42 | KeyserSoze | do yours work with 3.3V and 5.0V CF? |
| 01:28.48 | leto | so it's time to upgrade my kernel ... |
| 01:28.57 | leto | ++ |
| 01:30.24 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: hmm, cf slot and 40 pin ide connector |
| 01:30.52 | KeyserSoze | does it have an external power connector, or does it power the CF off the ide connection? |
| 01:31.13 | KeyserSoze | got a link? |
| 01:34.05 | KeyserSoze | anyone know of a way to use a PCMCIA HD on IDE? |
| 01:34.27 | KeyserSoze | i found this, but it doesn't have the male pins for a PCMCIA drive to connect to it: http://www.anthonypanda.com/product.php?prd_id=63&opt_id=103 |
| 01:34.51 | KeyserSoze | i guess i could clip little pieces of wire, and shove the two male connections together. |
| 01:35.01 | KeyserSoze | that's probably illegal in Arkansas :) |
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| 01:54.34 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: cf and pcmcia are identical in ide mode |
| 01:54.51 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: you can build a ide->pcmcia very easily |
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| 02:04.04 | TheMasterMind1 | Threads: 175 Questions: 126946 Slow queries: 2 Opens: 493 Flush tables: 1 Open tables: 487 Queries per second avg: 256.976 |
| 02:04.05 | TheMasterMind1 | fun stuf |
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| 02:10.56 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: huh? |
| 02:11.31 | chouimat | ouch! that must hurt |
| 02:14.53 | ljp | guess who was asked to moderate a linux audio recording forum at recording.org? |
| 02:15.17 | prpplague | ljp: steve ballamer? |
| 02:15.24 | ljp | nope |
| 02:15.54 | prpplague | ljp: the pope? |
| 02:16.41 | ljp | close |
| 02:16.47 | chouimat | Jesus 2? |
| 02:16.51 | ljp | nope |
| 02:17.08 | chouimat | you? |
| 02:17.22 | ljp | yes! |
| 02:17.35 | ljp | I'm somebody! |
| 02:17.40 | ljp | :) |
| 02:20.15 | chouimat | ~lart ljp for fun |
| 02:22.06 | chouimat | ljp: have fun |
| 02:22.42 | ljp | doing what |
| 02:23.07 | chouimat | ljp: moderating |
| 02:24.22 | ljp | oh, its a slow forum, so no biggie |
| 02:24.34 | Neo|Work | think I will head on |
| 02:24.36 | Neo|Work | home |
| 02:24.39 | ljp | most musicians/recording guys use winders, anyway |
| 02:25.19 | chouimat | ljp: ok |
| 02:25.27 | chouimat | Neo|Work: bye |
| 02:32.58 | ljp | why the fuck would a variable = 0 after I use it once? like printf it to see what the value is!?!?! |
| 02:32.58 | treke|home | thats because most music/recording guys suck |
| 02:33.18 | Vhalros | Hmm.. Is open-zaurus good? |
| 02:33.23 | chouimat | ljp: where |
| 02:33.32 | chouimat | Vhalros: yup |
| 02:33.45 | ljp | in my helix alsa code |
| 02:33.57 | Vhalros | chouimat: Better then the normal stuff? |
| 02:34.21 | chouimat | Vhalros: way better |
| 02:34.32 | chouimat | ljp: don't know |
| 02:34.37 | prpplague | ljp: hmm, the pope would have been more interesting |
| 02:34.40 | treke|home | Vhalros: only if you consider not sucking good |
| 02:34.44 | Vhalros | chouimat: Really? I've been wondering, I haven't actually found anything that says what is different. |
| 02:34.59 | treke|home | Vhalros: most everything is different |
| 02:35.00 | ljp | pop doesnt use linux, I guess |
| 02:35.04 | ljp | pope |
| 02:35.18 | Vhalros | I guess I will buy a CF card on friday and try it. |
| 02:35.49 | prpplague | ljp: i always wondered what kinda of sound/music editing software was available for linux, but i'm kinda of a non-graphics/non-audio guy |
| 02:36.21 | prpplague | ljp: if it were up to me, we'd still be using ansi for the internet |
| 02:37.11 | treke|home | if it were up to me, all musicians would be hanged, shot, and hanged again |
| 02:37.31 | ljp | well, there's really not much compared to windows. only a couple pro level apps, slab and ardour, but ardour is cvs only, and musicians usually dont know squat about how to compile |
| 02:45.26 | chouimat | ljp: are they good? |
| 02:45.43 | ljp | havent tried ardour, but I hear its good |
| 02:46.17 | ljp | looks good anyway. but doesnt beat Cubse |
| 02:46.24 | ljp | Cubase |
| 02:46.47 | chouimat | ljp: and we all know how cubase is expensive |
| 02:47.25 | prpplague | ljp: at the last OLS they recorded all the speakers with some linux audio app |
| 02:47.41 | prpplague | ljp: from what i saw, it was a very full featured app |
| 02:47.52 | ljp | but cubase _is_ worth |
| 02:48.10 | ljp | fine german technology |
| 02:48.19 | treke|home | yeah. like qtopia |
| 02:48.39 | ljp | ohh, I just found a nice programmers commandline calculator |
| 02:49.08 | hardwire | bwop bwop bwop |
| 02:49.22 | ljp | nope, its called handy calc |
| 02:49.54 | ljp | gentoo doesnt have a commandline calc :( |
| 02:50.10 | prpplague | ljp: whats wrong with bc? |
| 02:50.33 | hardwire | python |
| 02:50.35 | hardwire | ljp |
| 02:50.35 | hardwire | heh |
| 02:50.39 | hardwire | or bc |
| 02:50.51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:51.07 | hardwire | <- watching Army of Darkness |
| 02:51.22 | ljp | oh, when I did emerge -s calc it came up with nothing |
| 02:51.24 | prpplague | argh, my shoutcast stream is choppy tonight |
| 02:51.28 | prpplague | hardwire: groovy |
| 02:51.32 | hardwire | groovy? |
| 02:51.36 | hardwire | oh |
| 02:51.37 | hardwire | heh |
| 02:51.37 | ljp | like the ocean |
| 02:51.39 | hardwire | blah |
| 02:51.53 | ljp | ya, mon.. like a record.. groovey |
| 02:52.11 | ljp | how many grooves does a vinyl album have? |
| 02:52.18 | prpplague | ljp: one |
| 02:52.21 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: just a warning. the ipaq stuff wont compile at the moment. The ipaq kernel and kernel-headers conflict |
| 02:52.22 | hardwire | heheh |
| 02:52.27 | hardwire | one is true |
| 02:52.34 | hardwire | how many concentricities? |
| 02:52.36 | hardwire | heh |
| 02:53.05 | prpplague | none |
| 02:53.09 | ljp | nope. two. one on each side |
| 02:53.12 | hardwire | heheh |
| 02:53.14 | prpplague | doh |
| 02:53.20 | prpplague | ljp: trick question |
| 02:53.33 | hardwire | how many maximum circular revolutions from center to edge? |
| 02:53.34 | ljp | handy calc is better than bc, cause it gives answers in 4 formats |
| 02:53.52 | prpplague | ljp: so can bc |
| 02:53.57 | prpplague | with the right script |
| 02:54.14 | ljp | max? depends on record. who put out one with two cuts on each side |
| 02:54.47 | ljp | handy calc is even named bc |
| 02:54.56 | prpplague | hardwire: hmm, don;t know that one, how would you figure that? radius divided by max applitude of grove? |
| 02:55.10 | hardwire | I don't know |
| 02:55.15 | hardwire | I was just trying to sound smart |
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| 02:55.23 | prpplague | hardwire: we talk'n lp or single? |
| 02:55.30 | ljp | oh I see what your saying |
| 02:55.44 | prpplague | hardwire: shouldn't ask such questions with geeks involved |
| 02:55.47 | chouimat | 78 |
| 02:55.51 | hardwire | you need the inner diameter and the outer diameter, groove width from spacing to spacing |
| 02:56.00 | ljp | depends on how the album was cut. how close the cuts were made to each other |
| 02:56.03 | hardwire | chouimat: put down the lp |
| 02:56.49 | prpplague | http://www.low-life.fsnet.co.uk/pressing/vinyl_specifications.htm |
| 02:56.57 | chouimat | that hurt! |
| 02:57.35 | hardwire | no groove size |
| 02:57.38 | prpplague | using the rpm and duration you should be able to calculate the revolutions |
| 02:57.58 | hardwire | or if you know the groove size |
| 02:57.59 | hardwire | the id |
| 02:58.01 | hardwire | and the od |
| 02:58.15 | hardwire | then you see how many grooves fit in (od-id) |
| 02:58.26 | hardwire | thats like.. - and / |
| 02:58.34 | hardwire | no fancy smancies mathsies |
| 02:59.09 | effy-kun | anyone here use Oracle? |
| 02:59.11 | hardwire | if you wanna determine the revolutions compared to rpm and playable length.. .. then you are in the shit |
| 02:59.21 | chouimat | effy-kun: stoped using it |
| 02:59.59 | chouimat | ljp: I want to know my future please |
| 03:00.30 | prpplague | chouimat: you will get married to a really demaning bitchy woman and you'll wish you were dead |
| 03:00.52 | effy-kun | hehe |
| 03:00.55 | chouimat | prpplague: allready happened |
| 03:01.05 | prpplague | doh |
| 03:01.13 | prpplague | am i good or what |
| 03:01.20 | ljp | I see some food and sleep and maybe a shower in the future for you, chouimat |
| 03:01.30 | effy-kun | I just wonder how can I get Oracle to tell me what column name is illegal. It likes to report one is illegal, but not tell you which one. |
| 03:01.39 | chouimat | prpplague: divorce is fun, but nudies bar became boring |
| 03:02.01 | prpplague | boring never! |
| 03:02.10 | ljp | prpplague: isnt that all marriages about? |
| 03:02.26 | prpplague | ljp: aprrently so |
| 03:02.28 | hardwire | nudie bars scare me |
| 03:02.51 | prpplague | hardwire: wrong! marriage should scare you |
| 03:03.27 | ljp | me too, and also topless donut shops also |
| 03:03.38 | treke|home | yummmm donuts |
| 03:03.55 | prpplague | ljp: i don't eat anywhere where the women are naked, too many hairs |
| 03:04.06 | ljp | unless they shave |
| 03:04.31 | chouimat | prpplague: I agree since you don't from which end the hair may come |
| 03:04.59 | chouimat | treke|home: on the opie mailing list? |
| 03:05.03 | treke|home | yes |
| 03:05.15 | chouimat | treke|home: read some post and ... what a twit |
| 03:05.21 | prpplague | chouimat: nasty divorce? |
| 03:05.44 | treke|home | chouimat: he just posted 6 bug reports over the course of 6 minutes in 6 emails |
| 03:05.48 | chouimat | prpplague: costed me about 20 000 CAD |
| 03:06.04 | prpplague | chouimat: not bad, that just CAD, lol |
| 03:06.14 | chouimat | prpplague: and I want my dinner table back ... |
| 03:06.14 | treke|home | probably should have payed a hitman and not a lawyer |
| 03:06.21 | prpplague | chouimat: lol |
| 03:06.38 | prpplague | chouimat: i want my wasted years back........ |
| 03:07.18 | chouimat | the problem is she need to see a psy to fix some of her problems |
| 03:08.06 | prpplague | chouimat: you do that to her or what? |
| 03:08.07 | chouimat | the only thing I miss from her is she was all day naked in the house ... |
| 03:08.18 | chouimat | prpplague: her mother did that |
| 03:08.22 | prpplague | chouimat: hmm, that is a bonus option |
| 03:08.34 | prpplague | chouimat: isn't that always the case? |
| 03:08.52 | prpplague | frell |
| 03:09.03 | prpplague | my shoutcast is killing me tonight |
| 03:09.52 | chouimat | prpplague: I was with my mother and my grand-mother and they were speaking about my ex-wiffe and I said : "she was not so bad" and they ask me: Give us one quality she had. I answered that she did great blowjob :) |
| 03:10.10 | ljp | hahaha to your grandmaother? |
| 03:10.16 | chouimat | yup |
| 03:10.18 | ljp | you said that? |
| 03:10.21 | prpplague | chouimat: ha |
| 03:10.26 | prpplague | chouimat: nice |
| 03:10.41 | chouimat | ljp: yes, my grand-mother is 82 btw |
| 03:10.54 | ljp | oh you french speaker |
| 03:11.11 | ljp | speakers |
| 03:11.25 | chouimat | ljp: in french it's: ben elle suce en crisse :) |
| 03:12.47 | chouimat | hmmm do I need to buy more cat food for the weekend |
| 03:13.03 | prpplague | chouimat: i was at the dentist a couple of weeks ago, they were giving me x-rays and i always gag on the cardboard pieces, this little hot dental assistant told me "good thing your not gay, you'd have a hell of time giving a blowjob", i damm near spit the x-ray piece across the room laughing |
| 03:13.27 | arete | hehe |
| 03:13.36 | arete | the proper retort of course is "yeah, but I sure eat a good twat" |
| 03:13.46 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe ... how old? |
| 03:13.59 | prpplague | chouimat: me or her? |
| 03:14.04 | chouimat | prpplague: her |
| 03:14.16 | prpplague | chouimat: early 20's |
| 03:14.42 | chouimat | good for me |
| 03:15.46 | prpplague | argh, anyone else having problems with somafm tonight? |
| 03:16.10 | chouimat | treke|home: go to the archive page of opie mailing list :) |
| 03:16.13 | ljp | usually around this time, yes |
| 03:16.15 | chouimat | prpplague: what that? |
| 03:16.32 | ljp | there should be three serve choices |
| 03:16.35 | prpplague | chouimat: net radio |
| 03:16.42 | prpplague | chouimat: http://www.shoutcast.com |
| 03:16.46 | treke|home | chouimat: which message? |
| 03:16.46 | chouimat | prpplague: what kind of music? |
| 03:16.52 | prpplague | chouimat: i'm a groove salad freak |
| 03:17.00 | prpplague | chouimat: you can get literaly anything |
| 03:17.05 | chouimat | treke|home: all I got is the 6 of mr delvaux |
| 03:17.33 | prpplague | ljp: which one you listen to? |
| 03:18.46 | ljp | dronezone actually |
| 03:18.47 | chouimat | prpplague: me? I'm currently listening to Therion - Live in Midgard CD2 |
| 03:18.58 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh |
| 03:19.16 | prpplague | ljp: cool, i'm a groove salad freak |
| 03:19.25 | kergoth`bbl | If you dont believe in the existance of evil, you have a lot to learn. --Wumpscut - Praise Your Fears |
| 03:19.28 | kergoth`bbl | whats up guys |
| 03:19.29 | prpplague | ljp: i was lookin at somafm's website todqate |
| 03:19.47 | chouimat | kergoth: watched 24? |
| 03:19.54 | kergoth | naw, not a 24 fan |
| 03:19.54 | prpplague | kergoth: blood pressure, cholestral, stress, taxes |
| 03:20.02 | kergoth | prpplague: the usual then? gotcha |
| 03:20.08 | prpplague | kergoth: yep |
| 03:20.13 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:20.14 | ljp | groove salad is good too |
| 03:20.26 | ljp | I'm just in a mellow-freaky mood |
| 03:20.28 | prpplague | kergoth: you are planning to attend OLS this year right? |
| 03:20.50 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah. where you sign up for that shit? if jason doesnt drag my ass out there ill go myself |
| 03:20.59 | kergoth | prpplague: definately makin it regardless |
| 03:21.08 | prpplague | ljp: dronezone? i'll have to try that one |
| 03:21.18 | prpplague | kergoth: cool |
| 03:21.26 | kergoth | Im in one of those angry agressive moods |
| 03:21.29 | kergoth | I need more loud music |
| 03:21.32 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:21.35 | prpplague | kergoth: i've got a VIP pass to best nudie bar in ottawa |
| 03:21.37 | ljp | metallica! |
| 03:21.52 | prpplague | ljp: ted nuggent |
| 03:21.56 | kergoth | metallica isnt angry enough |
| 03:21.58 | prpplague | ljp: LZ |
| 03:23.07 | chouimat | kergoth: which one? |
| 03:23.24 | prpplague | ljp: somafm's riaa bill for last year was $6500 |
| 03:23.39 | ljp | ouch. bastards |
| 03:23.45 | kergoth | chouimat: right now, playing the rise of sodom and gomorra, i really like that song |
| 03:24.02 | prpplague | ljp: dronezone, nice |
| 03:24.27 | ljp | play metallica backwards |
| 03:24.33 | chouimat | kergoth: me too... damn! she was a very nice chicks ... just to bad I didn't get any news |
| 03:24.50 | prpplague | ljp: asdfasdfasdfasd microsoft sucks asdfasdfasdfasdfasd |
| 03:24.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:25.11 | chouimat | kergoth: last one I got she was getting married :( |
| 03:25.15 | kergoth | chouimat: ack |
| 03:25.50 | chouimat | hmmmm 10 days to go |
| 03:27.10 | chouimat | kergoth: what is happening to clark? |
| 03:27.33 | kergoth | chouimat: you see it? pretty good episode |
| 03:27.48 | chouimat | kergoth: tv in the other room |
| 03:28.46 | kergoth | Clark: so will this change things between us? .. Lana: I dont think anything will ever change things between us, Clark. Clark: *ouch*.. walk out |
| 03:28.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:29.07 | chouimat | hmmmm |
| 03:29.29 | kergoth | other than that it was all about the luther's |
| 03:30.42 | prpplague | kergoth: i don't how digi has been treating you, but with the economy, abcs has been treating me like a $10 nyc whore |
| 03:31.17 | kergoth | prpplague: yep, same here. they obviously dont give a damn. |
| 03:31.55 | chouimat | kergoth: lucas? |
| 03:31.55 | kergoth | If you should die, die in winter! |
| 03:31.59 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah |
| 03:32.02 | prpplague | kergoth: why? |
| 03:32.27 | kergoth | why what? |
| 03:32.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:32.37 | kergoth | die in winter? line from a song |
| 03:32.45 | kergoth | just seemed somehow appropriate |
| 03:32.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:32.50 | chouimat | guys co allways look for cheap labors |
| 03:32.57 | kergoth | yea |
| 03:34.20 | prpplague | kergoth: i want to die in summer so my ash's can be spread in a nice green field |
| 03:34.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:35.05 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm gonna have a big party with a jazz band and an open bar with lots of great beer |
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| 03:37.55 | chouimat | I want to be immortal... well or to die trying |
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| 03:44.02 | ljp | I wanna die having sex |
| 03:44.14 | kergoth | good plan |
| 03:45.06 | chouimat | ljp: not a good idea ... they can have trouble closing the coffin |
| 03:45.20 | treke|home | sounds like that's their problem |
| 03:48.05 | chouimat | last night, mdie at the age of 98, mr. ljp. Ljp was enjoying is wedding night with is new wife, age 19. the funeral will happen when we find a way to close the coffin |
| 03:48.27 | ljp | hehehe.. I like 19 year olds.. theys fun! |
| 03:50.07 | chouimat | [young girl voice] mommy what is this dent in the coffin??? |
| 03:52.39 | ljp | I had sex with a 19 yr old on a hammock a few years ago |
| 03:52.45 | ljp | wwoooyya! |
| 03:57.01 | ljp | hey! whats you lookin' at?! |
| 03:57.33 | chouimat | ljp: I prefer on the couch while my parents are away ... |
| 03:57.53 | ljp | you live with parents? |
| 03:58.36 | chouimat | ljp: nah! leave 10 years ago |
| 03:59.53 | chouimat | bbl babylon 5 on tv\ |
| 04:01.30 | treke|home | chouimat: what channel? |
| 04:02.15 | chouimat | treke|home: Canal Z |
| 04:02.42 | treke|home | one of those lame canadian channels, eh? |
| 04:03.24 | chouimat | treke|home: yup and in french |
| 04:03.30 | treke|home | fun |
| 04:05.11 | ljp | are the chicks naked?! |
| 04:10.19 | chouimat | ljp Babylon5 with naked chicks????? |
| 04:12.35 | ljp | well, they speak french dont they? it's gotta have naked chicks |
| 04:13.21 | chouimat | ljp: they just dubbed the series in french |
| 04:13.50 | prpplague | ljp: ha, futurama just made fun of french as a dead language |
| 04:14.04 | treke|home | its funny because its true |
| 04:14.06 | chouimat | prpplague: not dead, dumb |
| 04:16.26 | ljp | treke: burn! |
| 04:16.30 | ljp | :) |
| 04:17.20 | ljp | I like french women.. they're so...... french |
| 04:18.01 | prpplague | ljp: ya well the women in ottawa are pretty awesome, they have that french look and accent |
| 04:18.31 | prpplague | chouimat: b5 with naked chicks? |
| 04:18.34 | ljp | prpplague: move me there! |
| 04:19.06 | prpplague | ljp: dronezone is too bla for me |
| 04:19.23 | ljp | ya sometimes its icky |
| 04:19.35 | ljp | was good earlier |
| 04:19.56 | prpplague | ljp: right now its more of a sensory depravation experiment |
| 04:22.35 | ljp | groovy salad is having problems tonight |
| 04:22.52 | ljp | heh float tank |
| 04:23.22 | prpplague | ljp: having to revert to illegally gathered mp3 |
| 04:24.59 | ljp | http://www.starstreams.com/playlists/archive.html |
| 04:26.29 | chouimat | prpplague: in ljp mind |
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| 04:28.24 | chouimat | prpplague: google for bd coquines :) |
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| 04:36.23 | ljp | hi |
| 04:40.12 | chouimat | hmmm that update take time |
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| 04:54.51 | chouimat | hmmmmmmm |
| 04:55.06 | chouimat | hi warmi |
| 04:55.17 | chouimat | ulyx weather |
| 04:55.17 | warmi | hi |
| 04:55.18 | ulyx | 1 hours, 7 minutes ago, on Wed Feb 12 04:00:00 UTC 2003, the wind was blowing at a speed of 2.06 meters per second (4.60 miles per hour) from the North at CYQB. The temperature was -23 degrees Celsius (-9 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1009 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 47.7%. There were broken clouds at a height of 3048 meters (10000 feet). |
| 04:56.06 | warmi | ibot |
| 05:00.06 | warmi | iboot seen NeoTron |
| 05:00.12 | warmi | ibot seen NeoTron |
| 05:00.12 | | neotron is currently on #opie (12h 19m 37s) #zaurus (12h 19m 37s) |
| 05:15.10 | chouimat | lol |
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| 05:29.51 | ZhEN | hi all |
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| 05:30.09 | ZhEN | anyone know where I can get zaurus parts, ie LCDs? |
| 05:30.23 | ZhEN | i think that my screen is dead |
| 05:36.32 | effy-kun | might be best to not slam it against the wall after all, eh? |
| 05:36.33 | effy-kun | :P |
| 05:36.40 | ZhEN | heh |
| 05:36.49 | ZhEN | well, it was in its case in my backpack last wknd |
| 05:36.53 | ZhEN | and i was nice to it! |
| 05:37.06 | ZhEN | but, alas, all that I am getting is backlight |
| 05:37.08 | ZhEN | doh |
| 05:39.30 | ZhEN | anyone wanna buy a sorta working Z w/ a CF wlan card? heh |
| 05:43.56 | gaurdian | How much ? |
| 05:44.21 | ZhEN | cf wlan card, 10mbit nic card, case - 250 negotiable |
| 05:44.31 | gaurdian | oh wait...read back....not a broken one...thanks |
| 05:44.53 | ZhEN | bah! |
| 05:44.54 | gaurdian | and I have a wifi card |
| 05:44.55 | ZhEN | lol |
| 05:44.56 | gaurdian | for mine |
| 05:45.01 | ZhEN | hmm |
| 05:45.12 | ZhEN | arg, i hate sending this thing back to sharp |
| 05:45.14 | gaurdian | will buy the nic though |
| 05:45.41 | ZhEN | hmm |
| 05:45.42 | gaurdian | I dont think the warentee covers physical abuse of he unit |
| 05:45.54 | ZhEN | i think that i will hold on to that until i figure out what i am doing |
| 05:46.04 | ZhEN | but i will contact ya if i figure it out ;-) |
| 05:47.02 | gaurdian | I could use a CF Nic though.... |
| 05:47.38 | ZhEN | could you mail me please? |
| 05:47.40 | ZhEN | zhen@gentoo.org |
| 05:47.47 | gaurdian | mail you what / |
| 05:48.06 | gaurdian | gentoo.org ? youre one of the developers ? |
| 05:48.13 | gaurdian | nice |
| 05:48.18 | ZhEN | just an interest note so that I can remember ;-) and get a hold of you if necessary |
| 05:48.22 | ZhEN | yep :) |
| 05:48.34 | ZhEN | senior docs coordinator/bugzilla admin |
| 05:53.49 | ZhEN | nite time here |
| 05:54.03 | ZhEN | lata all, and if anyone wants a broken Z, please mail me ;-) |
| 06:05.10 | KeyserSoze | crap |
| 06:05.23 | KeyserSoze | someone said something to me while i was gone, and it scrolled off the top |
| 06:05.33 | KeyserSoze | guess i should have turned logging on... |
| 06:05.35 | KeyserSoze | anyone in here? |
| 06:13.06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 06:13.11 | TheMasterMind1 | imma bout to go to sleep |
| 06:13.12 | TheMasterMind1 | night |
| 06:13.38 | KeyserSoze | TheMasterMind1: do you see my name up at the top anywhere? |
| 06:13.56 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o NeoTron] by ChanServ |
| 06:13.58 | KeyserSoze | i figure it must have been you, prpplague, or hardwire |
| 06:14.43 | hardwire | who? |
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| 06:15.30 | KeyserSoze | i figure it must have been TheMasterMind1, prpplague, or hardwire |
| 06:15.57 | KeyserSoze | my IRC client turned the #zaurus tab blue because someone said something to me |
| 06:16.09 | KeyserSoze | the text fell off the top of the screen, and i don't know who said what. |
| 06:16.11 | TheMasterMind1 | don't see it.. |
| 06:16.14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 06:16.18 | TheMasterMind1 | look at ibot logs |
| 06:16.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot logs |
| 06:16.18 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 06:17.28 | KeyserSoze | cool, i didn't know about that. |
| 06:17.42 | KeyserSoze | Tim Riker's go to the 10th. |
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| 06:37.35 | cor | ibot: c-700 |
| 06:37.36 | | extra, extra, read all about it, c700 is http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus2003/, or http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/ |
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| 06:42.56 | cor | ibot: feeds |
| 06:42.57 | | it has been said that feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.org/official/{stable,testing,unstable}/feed, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
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| 13:33.34 | supermatt | hm, I've lost my stylus |
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| 13:50.16 | djk | Anybody know of a current version of secure shell for Z? |
| 13:51.13 | akawaka | supermatt: i broke mine |
| 13:51.33 | supermatt | I broke mine too :) then lost it |
| 13:51.52 | akawaka | wonder where you can get replacements? |
| 13:51.58 | supermatt | do you know anywhere that sells replacements? |
| 13:51.59 | djk | what did you guys break |
| 13:52.01 | supermatt | ah :) |
| 13:52.23 | supermatt | djk: stylii |
| 13:52.43 | djk | Ah. Sharp sells them |
| 13:53.01 | djk | and I think I have seen them on Office Depot's site |
| 13:53.21 | djk | darn things have a nice feel but expensive |
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| 15:08.20 | warmi | hi |
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| 15:13.50 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:24.07 | supermatt | ulyx: lart chouimat |
| 15:24.13 | supermatt | hi chouimat |
| 15:24.24 | chouimat | ~lart supermatt |
| 15:24.28 | chouimat | hi :) |
| 15:24.43 | supermatt | heh, I got larted by 2 bots! |
| 15:25.19 | supermatt | that must mean I deserve a cup of coffee |
| 15:25.19 | chouimat | supermatt: more efficient that way |
| 15:25.32 | chouimat | ulyx weather |
| 15:25.33 | ulyx | 38 minutes ago, on Wed Feb 12 15:00:00 UTC 2003, the wind was blowing at a speed of 4.12 meters per second (9.21 miles per hour) from the East/Northeast at CYQB. The temperature was -17 degrees Celsius (1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 998 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 59.5%. There were broken clouds at a height of 244 meters (800 feet) and overcast clouds at a height of 549 meters (1800 feet). |
| 15:25.33 | ulyx | The visibility was 1.6 kilometers (1.0 miles). Current weather is Light Shower(s) . |
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| 15:38.52 | frankps | hi all |
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| 15:47.32 | chouimat | hi prpplague Sniper |
| 15:52.31 | Sniper | hi |
| 15:52.37 | Sniper | chouimat: ill send u an NDA |
| 15:52.40 | Sniper | and the stuff |
| 15:54.17 | chouimat | Sniper: got the email yesterday, will fax the signed nda next week, no ink in the printer and no fax before the weekend |
| 15:54.24 | Sniper | ok |
| 15:54.46 | chouimat | Sniper: any news? |
| 15:55.33 | Sniper | news about what? |
| 15:56.08 | chouimat | Sniper: about everything |
| 15:56.17 | Sniper | nope.. same old same old |
| 15:57.31 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
| 15:59.09 | chouimat | ok usbnet work better under 2.4.21-pre4 than under 2.4.20-xfs |
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| 16:02.32 | chouimat | hmmmm huge car accident just in front of my window |
| 16:12.04 | chouimat | http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0203/startrek.html |
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| 17:31.50 | warmi | chouimat: : you there ? |
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| 17:33.06 | chouimat | oui |
| 17:34.01 | warmi | you are going to work for Sharp ? |
| 17:34.10 | chouimat | warmi: nope |
| 17:34.12 | warmi | I saw you were talking about signing NDA for them ? |
| 17:34.28 | chouimat | warmi: just for the zaurus internal doc |
| 17:34.33 | warmi | ah ok |
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| 17:34.37 | warmi | like kernel stuff etc ? |
| 17:34.51 | chouimat | warmi: yup |
| 17:34.56 | warmi | ah ok |
| 17:35.12 | warmi | I thought this stuff was free for everyone to look at |
| 17:35.20 | warmi | I mean it is Linux after all |
| 17:35.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:35.35 | kergoth | hardware specs on proprietary sharp chips arent open |
| 17:35.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:35.40 | chouimat | warmi: look at kernel code and you will understand |
| 17:36.10 | chouimat | kergoth: when did you schedule the meating? |
| 17:36.17 | chouimat | s/meating/meting |
| 17:36.30 | warmi | are there any ? at least any essential chips ? I thought arm was designed in such a way that most of the "vital" stuff was on CPU core anyway :-) |
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| 17:36.33 | kergoth | I havent scheduled it yet |
| 17:36.36 | kergoth | warmi: heh |
| 17:36.37 | kergoth | warmi: no |
| 17:36.44 | warmi | well, LCD is |
| 17:36.52 | kergoth | yeah, one small piece |
| 17:37.10 | warmi | that's all I consider essential - CPU + LCD |
| 17:37.10 | warmi | heeh |
| 17:37.17 | chouimat | warmi: io is generally done by another chip |
| 17:37.26 | kergoth | right, who needs a keyboard or touchscreen or flash or pcmcia/cf or sd anyway :) |
| 17:37.28 | warmi | anything else is just a pure overhead |
| 17:37.28 | warmi | hehehe |
| 17:37.49 | warmi | yeah, you are rigth - I will make an exception for the keyboard |
| 17:38.01 | warmi | and the touchscreen |
| 17:38.17 | chouimat | warmi: and arm chip have ide builtin? |
| 17:38.34 | warmi | not as far as I know |
| 17:38.47 | warmi | but that's not interesting |
| 17:38.57 | warmi | I mean that's i/o for God's sake |
| 17:38.58 | warmi | boring stuff |
| 17:39.01 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:39.19 | chouimat | warmi: I would love to have an arm based SOC |
| 17:39.27 | kergoth | SOC? |
| 17:39.34 | chouimat | system-on-chip |
| 17:39.41 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:41.05 | warmi | chouimat: I didn't know you were interested in hacking kernel and related stuff |
| 17:41.54 | kergoth | warmi: he wants to port netbsd to the Z :) |
| 17:42.09 | treke | you mean it hasnt been ported already? |
| 17:42.14 | treke | they are running behind |
| 17:42.19 | warmi | netbds - isn't that the one that runs on everything under the sun ? |
| 17:42.23 | kergoth | without the locomo specs they wont be |
| 17:42.24 | warmi | treke: hehehe |
| 17:42.52 | Neo|Work | frankly, netbsd isn't ported that much more than say linux is via debian |
| 17:43.24 | warmi | well, perhaps - but I remember one of these x-bsd distros being famous for running on every possible computer -realted hardware |
| 17:43.40 | warmi | Neo|Work: I been trying to catch you |
| 17:43.43 | warmi | you hav A300 |
| 17:43.59 | warmi | is framebuffef rotation the same on this device as it is on 5500 ? |
| 17:44.13 | treke | Its mostly that Debian says "we have an arm port" while NetBSD counts all the various types of arms |
| 17:44.40 | warmi | treke: hehehe - I am sure some day someone will make NetBSD run on my old Atari 800 XL |
| 17:46.30 | Neo|Work | warmi: no |
| 17:46.37 | Neo|Work | A300 framebuffer is not rotated |
| 17:46.49 | warmi | uh , that sucks |
| 17:47.03 | chouimat | ~praise Neo|Work |
| 17:47.09 | Neo|Work | actually, it sucks every other PDA doesn't use the same no-rotation. :P |
| 17:47.16 | warmi | yeah |
| 17:47.28 | warmi | but it is even worse when they all differ |
| 17:47.42 | warmi | I wonder what's the story with C 700 or even 5600 ? |
| 17:47.47 | Neo|Work | but in actually you need to support 0, 90 and 270 degrees |
| 17:47.57 | Neo|Work | I have yet to see a 180 degree one |
| 17:48.01 | warmi | I bet one of these will use Ipaq style rotation (90) just to piss us off |
| 17:48.04 | Neo|Work | and I don't know what the C700 uses |
| 17:48.21 | treke | ipaq is 90 and 270 :) |
| 17:48.39 | warmi | NeoTron: the problem is that this works out to 9 differnt rotated blits |
| 17:48.59 | warmi | if you wanna support normal and two landscape positions |
| 17:49.32 | Neo|Work | right |
| 17:49.49 | Neo|Work | which is why SDL doesn't support landscape on all rotations yet |
| 17:50.29 | warmi | I do but now I have to write another 6 ones for no-rotation and for 90 % rotation ( opie/familiar on Ipaq uses that) |
| 17:50.47 | Neo|Work | no, not opie/familiar |
| 17:50.57 | Neo|Work | rather, 38xx series ipaq uses it |
| 17:51.00 | Neo|Work | and possibly others |
| 17:51.03 | treke | and the 3100 |
| 17:51.11 | Neo|Work | right, but no one cases about 3100. :P |
| 17:51.14 | treke | hehe :) |
| 17:51.24 | Neo|Work | not that I know what it actually is |
| 17:51.36 | treke | Neo|Work: the old black and white ipaq :) |
| 17:51.40 | treke | with 16MB ram |
| 17:51.47 | Neo|Work | figured it was sucky. :P |
| 17:53.05 | treke | or you could ignore the 3800 and still support the 36,37,39, and probably the 5400 and 1900 :) |
| 17:54.41 | warmi | treke: no way |
| 17:54.45 | warmi | 3800 is quite popular |
| 17:54.52 | warmi | not the mention that I own on |
| 17:54.54 | warmi | one |
| 17:55.21 | warmi | anyway - no matter what you do you got to write these 9 blitters |
| 17:55.32 | warmi | 3 of them will end up being standard blits anyway |
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| 17:55.51 | warmi | or even memcpys if you only allow for full screen blits |
| 17:56.39 | warmi | one of the toshiba Pocket PC devices has ATA accelerator built in |
| 17:56.49 | warmi | I think that would be the first PPC with that |
| 17:56.56 | warmi | ATI even |
| 17:57.04 | treke | from what I've read the 5400 actually has some kind of accelerator in it |
| 17:57.21 | warmi | but , from reading on ppc developer forums, this doesn't work at all |
| 17:57.32 | warmi | in fact , it ends up being slower than your average ppc |
| 17:57.37 | warmi | somebody basically fucked up |
| 17:57.42 | warmi | just like with xscale |
| 17:58.21 | treke | "MediaQ MQ-1100" |
| 17:58.53 | treke | supposed to suffer from the same problems as the ati |
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| 18:05.32 | supermatt | http://www.mocm.de/zaurus/zaurus2open3.html |
| 18:05.35 | supermatt | wantwantwant |
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| 18:06.46 | warmi | treke: you have an ipaq, right ? which model ? |
| 18:08.16 | treke | 3800 |
| 18:09.01 | treke | althought the 5400 looks really really nice :) |
| 18:09.04 | warmi | yeah, so it is 90 rotated |
| 18:09.08 | kergoth | supermatt: its pretty nice, you definately want one. |
| 18:09.09 | warmi | I have 3835 |
| 18:09.51 | supermatt | kergoth: screen looks great |
| 18:09.53 | treke | I wonder what the logic there was |
| 18:10.11 | supermatt | does oz run on all ipaqs? |
| 18:10.16 | noidd | afternoon |
| 18:10.18 | treke | supermatt: no |
| 18:10.21 | noidd | any charp people on? |
| 18:10.21 | warmi | how much are 5400s going for ? |
| 18:10.24 | noidd | err, sharp |
| 18:10.31 | warmi | hehehe |
| 18:10.43 | kergoth | brb |
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| 18:11.13 | treke | warmi: 700s |
| 18:11.25 | supermatt | treke: you've been working on support for them havent you? is ther much further to go? |
| 18:11.31 | treke | or high 6s |
| 18:11.39 | warmi | that's too damn much |
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| 18:11.40 | warmi | way too much |
| 18:11.42 | Shayde | 'lo lo. |
| 18:11.47 | treke | supermatt: Should work on the 3600,3700,and 3800 |
| 18:11.48 | warmi | you can get c700 for $500 in Japan |
| 18:12.20 | treke | wont work on the 3900 and that probably wont happen until someone is interested in testing it or sends me a 3900 :) |
| 18:12.27 | treke | 3100 it may work on |
| 18:12.32 | supermatt | I was looking at a 3800 |
| 18:12.42 | supermatt | treke: including the integrated bluetooth? |
| 18:13.05 | treke | bluetooth is working yet. Another one of those things I'll do when there is someone to test it :) |
| 18:13.21 | supermatt | aha, ok :) |
| 18:13.23 | supermatt | thanks |
| 18:13.26 | noidd | hmm, that the C700? |
| 18:13.30 | treke | my ipaq has no bluetooth |
| 18:13.32 | Shayde | wow. has anyone tried the "Project Professional" app thats on handango? |
| 18:13.33 | noidd | the photos in tha url that be |
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| 18:13.45 | treke | supermatt: It does work in familiar |
| 18:13.51 | frankps | re |
| 18:14.09 | noidd | Shayde, is that the java one? |
| 18:14.14 | Shayde | yah |
| 18:14.26 | Shayde | this is hot on my "things i want to write" list. if its any good, i'm doomed. |
| 18:14.28 | noidd | yeah - I bought it - it choked on all the MS project files I gave it tho |
| 18:14.38 | noidd | didn't re-install it after a crash |
| 18:14.39 | Shayde | well, that's not an issue for me :) |
| 18:14.41 | noidd | :-/ |
| 18:14.47 | supermatt | cool |
| 18:14.51 | Shayde | i need something like ShadowPlan for the Z. |
| 18:18.47 | Shayde | heh |
| 18:18.54 | Shayde | i'd love to write gpl'ed stuff. can't afford it :( |
| 18:19.11 | Shayde | and i need to learn C++. i'm pretty unhappy with java stuff right now :( |
| 18:19.17 | treke | so sell it |
| 18:19.27 | treke | you can sell gpl software |
| 18:19.37 | Shayde | yeah, but you get serious hairy-eyeball looks :) |
| 18:19.50 | treke | you still get your money :) |
| 18:20.28 | krezel | Has anybody here ever burned the 80mm mini-cdr's using cdrecord? |
| 18:20.48 | Shayde | heh |
| 18:20.50 | Shayde | true. |
| 18:21.44 | warmi | Shayde: if you know Java then you already know basic C++ |
| 18:21.55 | Shayde | warmi: yah, i know. its just Time [tm] |
| 18:22.41 | Shayde | i like programming in Swing actually - can do some great stuff. performance just blows big hairy chunks. and until IBM comes out with SWT for QT (and Qtopia), i really need to do C++ coding to write any decent apps for the Z. |
| 18:25.04 | Shayde | :( |
| 18:25.22 | Shayde | heh |
| 18:25.26 | Shayde | i think i may have hosed my jvm config. |
| 18:25.35 | Sniper | anyone here? |
| 18:25.39 | Shayde | no. |
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| 18:25.57 | Sniper | does anyone use the TAB key and then back TAB key? |
| 18:25.59 | Sniper | is this used a lot? |
| 18:26.12 | Sniper | how do i do back TAB, is it CTRL TAB or SHIFT TAB? |
| 18:26.30 | Shayde | only if hte app is set up to handle it. |
| 18:26.37 | Shayde | it should be shift-tab |
| 18:26.41 | Sniper | ok.. thanks.. |
| 18:27.23 | Shayde | so.. how can i found out how the desktop is trying to launch this app so i can see whats wrong? |
| 18:27.57 | Shayde | the icon is there, i can tap on it, it goes 'splat', but never launches. |
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| 18:28.37 | Sniper | oh ask ben.. |
| 18:28.44 | Sniper | meyerb@sharpsec.com |
| 18:28.45 | Sniper | :-) |
| 18:29.04 | Shayde | heh |
| 18:29.12 | kergoth | hey spencer |
| 18:29.17 | Shayde | kerg! |
| 18:29.18 | Shayde | how goes? |
| 18:29.27 | kergoth | yo shayde |
| 18:29.30 | kergoth | not bad at all |
| 18:29.31 | kergoth | you? |
| 18:30.06 | Shayde | eh. deciding to do some serious work on the Z today. but i'm tyring to figure out why this project app won't launch (Project Professional). i tape it, it goes splat, no dice. dont see anything in the ps listing. tryign to figure out what the launch script is for it so i can run it from a shell. |
| 18:30.28 | kergoth | ahh. cat its .desktop file, thatll tell ya pretty quick |
| 18:30.57 | Shayde | eh. deciding to do some serious work on the Z today. but i'm tyring to figure out why this project app won't launch (Project Professional). i tape it, it goes splat, no dice. dont see anything in the ps listing. tryign to figure out what the launch script is for it so i can run it from a shell./me digs |
| 18:31.03 | Shayde | ooopps |
| 18:31.04 | Shayde | sorry |
| 18:31.57 | Shayde | aha, found it. |
| 18:32.39 | Shayde | weird. |
| 18:32.42 | Shayde | the launcher isn't +x |
| 18:33.10 | Shayde | heh. that was it. |
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| 18:37.01 | noidd | hey kergoth, how goes? |
| 18:37.26 | Shayde | hey noid, its running. |
| 18:37.36 | Shayde | sitting in a vnc window on my desktop :) |
| 18:37.59 | noidd | went to my first ice hockey game last night, and my Zaurus is configured to get dhcp on any network it finds |
| 18:38.11 | noidd | looks like the hockey place has a wireless LAN for scoring |
| 18:38.21 | Shayde | hee :) |
| 18:38.23 | noidd | good job I didn't try to cheat :-) |
| 18:38.29 | Shayde | *snicker* |
| 18:38.56 | Shayde | well, this Project app is cute, but not quite what i was looking for. |
| 18:39.06 | Shayde | i need a combo of Todo and this... i want shadowplan :( |
| 18:39.50 | noidd | what is shadowplan |
| 18:39.52 | noidd | got a URL? |
| 18:39.55 | Shayde | www.codejedi.com |
| 18:41.02 | noidd | Shayde: you know you could run it under emulation |
| 18:41.09 | noidd | since your Z can emulate a palm |
| 18:41.15 | Shayde | well |
| 18:41.17 | Shayde | funny you should say that. |
| 18:41.32 | Shayde | there's 3 palm emulators... and ic ouldn't get any to work :( |
| 18:41.40 | Shayde | have you ever run it? |
| 18:41.42 | noidd | Bah, where are the gant charts? |
| 18:41.44 | Shayde | (the emulators that is) |
| 18:41.48 | noidd | does this project thing do gant charts? |
| 18:41.54 | Shayde | gantt charts are a way of graphically showing a project. |
| 18:41.58 | Shayde | []------[] |
| 18:42.05 | Shayde | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.09 | Shayde | that's what they look like |
| 18:43.02 | Shayde | aiee |
| 18:43.03 | noidd | I know what a gant chart is :-) |
| 18:43.04 | Shayde | i'm getting distracted. |
| 18:43.11 | Shayde | oh -where- are they |
| 18:43.12 | noidd | I just havnt seen ny in any of the screenshots |
| 18:43.12 | Shayde | sorry :) |
| 18:43.33 | Shayde | for shadowplan? or for this 'project pro' thing? |
| 18:43.55 | noidd | shadowplan |
| 18:44.00 | Shayde | dont thin it has them |
| 18:44.03 | noidd | project pro does :-) |
| 18:44.07 | noidd | ah, forget it then :-) |
| 18:44.10 | noidd | don't care |
| 18:44.12 | Shayde | yea - 2 different approaches. |
| 18:44.31 | Shayde | projectpro is more professional / MS Project oriented. ew. :) i think more in the way shadowplan works. |
| 18:44.59 | Shayde | expandable / collapseable task lists. |
| 18:45.07 | Shayde | but i'm still digressing! |
| 18:45.10 | treke | Shayde: iqnotes? |
| 18:45.19 | Shayde | whassat? |
| 18:45.24 | treke | a program |
| 18:45.40 | Shayde | oh, saw that. |
| 18:45.52 | Shayde | haven't tried it yet. |
| 18:46.06 | Shayde | seemed too simplistic, but i'll try it. |
| 18:46.29 | treke | well when theres nothing better, you use what you can get :) |
| 18:46.34 | Shayde | :) |
| 18:46.36 | treke | or you write your own :) |
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| 18:46.52 | Shayde | and thus the convo comes full circle! :) |
| 18:46.59 | noidd | or pay starving Zaurus programmers to write it for you |
| 18:47.07 | noidd | in the universal currency (beer) |
| 18:47.18 | treke | and then you gpl it to save yourself 200 bucks :) |
| 18:47.36 | Shayde | heh. nah, i'd write it myself. |
| 18:47.39 | Shayde | i'm starving too :) |
| 18:48.22 | treke | Shayde: no you have to pay 200 bucks for the toolchain if you dont gpl it :) |
| 18:48.36 | Shayde | okay, after this, i -must- get syncing working between the Z and Outlook :( |
| 18:48.42 | Shayde | toolchain? |
| 18:48.56 | treke | er SDK |
| 18:49.02 | treke | you need the commercial version |
| 18:49.18 | Shayde | ohohoho. |
| 18:49.22 | Shayde | see, that's why i want to write it in java. :) |
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| 18:54.00 | Shayde | is Intellisync on the distribution CD? i only installed the qtopia desktop |
| 18:54.42 | warmi | you don't wanna run Java apps on your Z .. |
| 18:55.12 | warmi | no matter what Sun says - jvms and embedded devices are NOT a good match |
| 18:55.25 | warmi | nothing that has a 9 MB runtime is a good fit for a device like Z |
| 18:57.08 | noidd | stop being so rational warmi |
| 18:57.50 | warmi | yeah, we were told here at work that our new Java development tool was going to be JBuilder |
| 18:58.43 | warmi | all you need to do is install this JBuilder and you will know why Java hasn't been all that sucesfull ( and was a complete disaster on the client side) |
| 18:58.57 | Shayde | uhh |
| 18:59.07 | Shayde | java's been extremely successful. you just may not have seen it. |
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| 18:59.48 | warmi | no, I do write stuff in Java - in fact we run tons of it in Java |
| 18:59.55 | warmi | it works - sure |
| 19:00.11 | warmi | but with 3x as much resource requirement as equivalent in C++ |
| 19:00.55 | Shayde | i won't get into a platform argument with you. I think you're coloring your view a bit about the system, but like i said. use what you want. i use java, i like it. |
| 19:01.15 | warmi | well, on the server perhaps |
| 19:01.24 | warmi | but it is not "my view" as far as client side of things |
| 19:01.47 | warmi | when was the last time you saw popular commercial "desktop" applicationion written in Java ? |
| 19:01.52 | warmi | that says it all |
| 19:01.59 | warmi | it was a complete failure on the desktop |
| 19:02.26 | Shayde | i disagree, but *shrug* |
| 19:02.53 | warmi | well, you know :-) |
| 19:03.15 | Shayde | whee. |
| 19:03.37 | warmi | I can "disagree" with people who claim that Amiga Commodore is dead :-) but I can't change the fact that it is indeed dead |
| 19:03.38 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:03.46 | Shayde | *grin* |
| 19:04.34 | Shayde | actually, i'm pretty happy with my Swing desktop app. and as far as performance goes, yah, Swing is not really powerful enough for most desktop apps (though, as far as good apps go, NetBeans is pretty friggin cool). IBM is doig a great job of addressing this with Eclipse and SWT. |
| 19:06.05 | warmi | could very well be - as long as it is not overengineered the way Swing is |
| 19:06.07 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:06.50 | warmi | btw .. Eclipse is not a "pure" java |
| 19:06.59 | warmi | as far as I know it has tons of native code |
| 19:07.06 | warmi | or was it SWT that had native code ? |
| 19:07.08 | Shayde | *nod8 they took a medium approach. Swing is "Eveyrting in java, down to bedrock (in this case AWT)". IBM said "That's stupid. Just code down to a common interface. If Gnome provides a, say, scrollable window view that's the same as JScrollable, just use the native, and shellack on an interface." |
| 19:07.17 | Shayde | SWT is JNI based. |
| 19:07.20 | Shayde | its a hybrid. |
| 19:07.24 | Shayde | a good one, IMHO. |
| 19:07.38 | warmi | could very well be - I never used that |
| 19:07.46 | Shayde | its pretyt new. |
| 19:07.50 | Shayde | eclipse is all based on it. |
| 19:07.59 | Shayde | an order of magnitude performance increase in GUI apps apparently. |
| 19:08.26 | warmi | well, as always - Sun can't do shit right as far as desktop and related stuff |
| 19:08.34 | warmi | they just don't have any experience with it |
| 19:08.36 | Shayde | *nodnodndo* |
| 19:08.41 | Shayde | hey, cmon, CDE rocked! |
| 19:09.40 | mewyn | warmi: any more word from the higer ups at the trib? |
| 19:10.12 | warmi | not much so far |
| 19:10.28 | warmi | I know they are hiring CIO so perhaps other stuff will move ahead as well |
| 19:10.43 | mewyn | i can only hope |
| 19:12.11 | mewyn | i've still had no luck. |
| 19:13.58 | Shayde | ahh |
| 19:14.57 | Neo|Work | I think swing looks like a good idea on paper but is a very ba idea in reality |
| 19:15.05 | Neo|Work | simply because it IS so slow, for whatever reason |
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| 19:16.11 | Shayde | i'm using it on a low-end terminal situation right now, and its 'okay', but nothing i'd say approaching 'stellar' performance. the app is really simple though, i may just use it as a platform to learn C++ and wxwindows. |
| 19:20.56 | Sniper | ok developer |
| 19:20.58 | Sniper | developers |
| 19:21.05 | Sniper | special pricing for SL-5500 $229 |
| 19:21.11 | Shayde | nice. |
| 19:21.20 | Sniper | MARK KASOK at PC CONNECTION FOR A DEVELOPER SPECIAL PRICE |
| 19:21.24 | Sniper | (603) 423-2127 |
| 19:21.28 | Sniper | I will post on DEVELOPER site |
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| 19:21.38 | chouimat | ibot change 229 usd to cad |
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| 19:26.07 | ZenBee | Does anyone know of a Bridge (cards) game for the Z ? |
| 19:29.19 | *** topic/#zaurus by Neo|Work -> Sharp PDA Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || http://openzaurus.org/ || OpenZaurus 3.1rc2 released. || <sniper> MARK KASOK at PC Connection for a $229 developer special price on SL-5500 (call (603) 423-2127) |
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| 19:29.39 | ZenBee | wb |
| 19:29.39 | Sniper | damn Windows XP.. froze and locked up on me |
| 19:29.45 | Sniper | i got a BLUE SCREEN!! |
| 19:29.49 | ZenBee | hehehehehehehe |
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| 19:29.53 | ZenBee | LOL |
| 19:29.58 | Sniper | scared the heck out of me |
| 19:30.03 | Sniper | anyway - .. |
| 19:30.16 | ZenBee | BSOD on XP ? hmmmm never seen it before....... |
| 19:30.51 | Neo|Work | Sniper: oh, the wonders of Windows. :)) |
| 19:31.30 | mewyn | what's so unusual about windows blowing up in your face? |
| 19:31.36 | ZenBee | ah wel..... some want to live without them but can;t...... :( (Those darn employers...) |
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| 19:40.13 | warmi | my old win 2000 was very stable |
| 19:40.20 | warmi | perhaps like 3 BDSs in 2 years span |
| 19:40.31 | noidd | Hmm, how much for 256Meg SD ram? |
| 19:40.36 | warmi | in fact, my Linux used to lock up more often than that |
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| 19:40.40 | noidd | answer: $99 in best buy :-) |
| 19:40.43 | mewyn | i've had 3 black screens of death since 95 |
| 19:40.48 | mewyn | but many bsods |
| 19:40.51 | noidd | only a third of the price I paid for it :-P |
| 19:41.21 | warmi | SDs and CFs prices went down dramatically recently |
| 19:41.43 | noidd | not bad eh? |
| 19:41.52 | mewyn | i remember when i paid over 250 for a 32m CF card |
| 19:42.11 | warmi | 256 MB - you can put a lot of mp3s on one |
| 19:42.29 | mewyn | you can put a bunch |
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| 19:42.46 | mewyn | i prefer hdd mp3 playing |
| 19:43.13 | noidd | I cheat |
| 19:43.14 | warmi | you mean like stand alone mp3 players ? |
| 19:43.24 | noidd | I have 40 Gig of disk space NFS mounted on my Zaurus |
| 19:43.25 | mewyn | yah |
| 19:43.35 | mewyn | ipod, archos, zen, etc. |
| 19:43.43 | noidd | 40 Gig of storage available to a PDA? That would be the Zaurus :-) |
| 19:43.48 | warmi | oh , well, but that;s not exactly is going to work when you are on a train |
| 19:43.51 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:44.01 | noidd | yeah - might hang |
| 19:44.05 | noidd | ok, running off later |
| 19:44.10 | mewyn | sure it could. get a sprint vision cf card |
| 19:45.16 | Shayde | flammitytastic. outlook and the z are syncing perfectly. |
| 19:45.32 | rw2 | anyone know how to install vnc server on oz 3 |
| 19:46.03 | rw2 | er |
| 19:46.12 | rw2 | opie v 0.9.1 |
| 19:46.54 | rw2 | i think it's time for an upgrade |
| 20:12.48 | Twiun | hey Shayde |
| 20:12.54 | Shayde | yo twiun. how goes? |
| 20:12.59 | *** part/#zaurus ZenBee[away] (~ZenUserBe@cc5065-a.deven1.ov.home.nl) |
| 20:14.10 | Twiun | I'm getting back into coding wonka... struggling with the new buildroot atm |
| 20:14.13 | Twiun | yourself? |
| 20:14.16 | Shayde | *nodnod* |
| 20:14.24 | Shayde | erm, mostly shovelling coal. |
| 20:14.32 | Shayde | (my term for doing grunt sysadmin work) |
| 20:14.41 | Twiun | ah |
| 20:14.55 | Twiun | I'm still temping and looking for serious work :) |
| 20:15.04 | Twiun | oh, and catching the flu from customers |
| 20:15.15 | Shayde | today i chalked aside for getting the Z up to date and installing new apps (going to a con over the weekend). so in the last 2 hours i've gotten intellisync and okia's software to work with Outlook and Exchange. i can sync across the Zaurus, my laptop, my Nokia phone, and the Exchange server. |
| 20:15.17 | Shayde | its warped :) |
| 20:15.34 | Twiun | lol |
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| 20:17.29 | Twiun | hey ben |
| 20:17.41 | Twiun | how go things at Sharp Central? |
| 20:19.18 | icefox | Hey there |
| 20:19.25 | icefox | Moved down to the second floor today |
| 20:19.28 | icefox | what "fun" |
| 20:21.28 | Sniper | hi icefox |
| 20:21.35 | Sniper | welcome back |
| 20:21.35 | Twiun | hey Spencer |
| 20:22.20 | Sniper | hi twiun |
| 20:24.19 | gaurdian | Hey I have a Palm V here that I would like to Sync with the Z, is it possible to do via IR ? |
| 20:25.00 | gaurdian | anyone know ? |
| 20:25.28 | Sniper | yes |
| 20:25.30 | Sniper | you can beam |
| 20:26.08 | gaurdian | I know I can beam individual records one at at time, I mean perform a automated sync, like if the palm was connected to a computer |
| 20:26.37 | gaurdian | would that be possible ? |
| 20:26.43 | cor | gaurdian i sync'ed my visor...you can send the entire index (homepage of each app) iirc |
| 20:27.11 | gaurdian | cor, I am not sure what ya mean by "homepage of each app" |
| 20:27.47 | Sniper | im confused.. |
| 20:27.48 | cor | i dont have a visor anymore...i think when you are in an app (say calendar) you can beam from there |
| 20:27.50 | Sniper | sounds like a custom app |
| 20:28.08 | cor | in the context menu...not in each record |
| 20:28.26 | cor | Sniper http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/migration_from_palmos.php3 << he can prolly explain better |
| 20:28.33 | numatrix | gaurdian: yup, that's how I got all my contacts from my palmv to my Z. |
| 20:28.37 | Sniper | gotta run to a meeting |
| 20:28.39 | Sniper | brb |
| 20:30.01 | gaurdian | that what I needed, thanks for the URL |
| 20:32.32 | icefox | http://docs.zaurus.com/ |
| 20:32.33 | icefox | Enjoy |
| 20:32.46 | cor | too bad i have the IQ of a lab rat, Sniper that URI was for gaurdian |
| 20:32.49 | icefox | Hey Sniper! |
| 20:33.05 | icefox | ibot wakeup sniper |
| 20:33.06 | | icefox: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:33.06 | cor | hurray...nice work icefox |
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| 20:33.07 | treke | cor: dont insult lab rats like that |
| 20:33.18 | icefox | ibot bringback sniper |
| 20:33.19 | | icefox: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:33.21 | icefox | hehe |
| 20:33.30 | icefox | Well sniper when you get back I got the site up and running |
| 20:43.41 | icefox | For those interested in a class2 Z for $229 buzz me and I will give you more info |
| 20:45.36 | Neo|Work | icefox: check the subject |
| 20:45.41 | Neo|Work | s/subject/topic/ |
| 20:45.44 | icefox | hey.... |
| 20:45.45 | Neo|Work | you mean that? |
| 20:45.46 | treke | class2? |
| 20:45.57 | icefox | refurbished |
| 20:46.00 | treke | ah |
| 20:47.02 | Neo|Work | refurbised is such a bad word |
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| 20:47.25 | Neo|Work | it can mean anything from entirely broken but patched together to a kind-of running state to as-new but used for a while |
| 20:49.21 | icefox | hehe I walked into a cambridge soundworks to listen to a set of speakers that online you could get a fantastic deal for a set of class2. They guy offered to sell me new right there on the spot of the same price. :-D |
| 20:50.24 | chouimat | http://qwikscript.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 20:52.05 | treke | icefox: you want to sell me a new Z for 299? :) |
| 20:52.26 | icefox | for 229 |
| 20:52.26 | icefox | :-D |
| 20:52.33 | icefox | refurbished |
| 20:52.43 | Neo|Work | icefox: is it the same as in the subject? |
| 20:52.45 | treke | 229 sounds even better |
| 20:52.52 | icefox | yes |
| 20:52.55 | Neo|Work | ok |
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| 21:00.35 | Cloudchaser_ | hi |
| 21:00.49 | Twiun | hey cloudy |
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| 21:03.34 | Cloudchaser_ | how's everyone today? |
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| 21:19.37 | Sniper | good work icefox |
| 21:19.38 | Sniper | :-) |
| 21:19.44 | icefox | :-D |
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| 21:33.57 | phpCure | hardwire: you here? |
| 21:34.04 | hardwire | no |
| 21:34.09 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: my dad works at the census |
| 21:34.19 | hardwire | well goody two shoes.. |
| 21:34.20 | TheMasterMind1 | he had like direct access to the servers with the tiger data on them |
| 21:34.24 | hardwire | oh |
| 21:34.24 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:34.26 | hardwire | :) |
| 21:34.27 | TheMasterMind1 | '_ |
| 21:34.30 | TheMasterMind1 | ;) |
| 21:34.44 | hardwire | but |
| 21:34.46 | hardwire | so do we |
| 21:35.39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh yea |
| 21:35.57 | TheMasterMind1 | but he can like make CDs really easily |
| 21:36.02 | TheMasterMind1 | not waste time downloading |
| 21:36.15 | TheMasterMind1 | though i don't think that data's going to help much, since i'll probably use shapefiles |
| 21:46.28 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: shapefile use xBase file for attributes? |
| 21:46.59 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno |
| 21:47.09 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: .dbf |
| 21:47.09 | TheMasterMind1 | haven't work with them longenough |
| 21:47.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ya |
| 21:47.12 | TheMasterMind1 | they use dbf |
| 21:47.32 | chouimat | dbase file |
| 21:49.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ya |
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| 22:55.58 | chouimat | http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/02/12/200209.shtml?tid=95&tid=155 |
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| 23:08.32 | chouimat | ibot change 135 usd to cad |
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| 23:34.58 | chouimat | http://www.idleworm.com/tch/msry2.shtml |
| 23:37.29 | mewyn | that's just disturbing |
| 23:40.24 | Neo|Work | my thought exactly |
| 23:40.33 | Neo|Work | goes to show why ulyx is the way ulyx is |
| 23:40.50 | mewyn | ah, right |
| 23:42.30 | chouimat | huh |
| 23:42.54 | chouimat | ulyx praise Neo|Work |
| 23:43.58 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I removed all the dessimat0r larts |
| 23:44.44 | Neo|Work | chouimat: trust me, I will keep this going forever. ;-) |
| 23:44.56 | mewyn | ulyx fortune |
| 23:44.56 | ulyx | Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. "Yes" is the answer. -- Swami X |
| 23:46.04 | chouimat | Neo|Work: do like Abe Simpsons and send me the list of the words you don't want to see anymore :) |
| 23:46.27 | mewyn | and especially family jewels |
| 23:47.00 | chouimat | mewyn: huh? |
| 23:47.21 | mewyn | from that simpsons episode you refered to |
| 23:47.34 | chouimat | ok |
| 23:47.55 | chouimat | ~lart someone |
| 23:48.15 | Neo|Work | chouimat: as I said, doesn't matter if ulyx ever says anything "bad" again or not. :P |
| 23:48.31 | chouimat | ulyx praise Neo|Work |
| 23:48.40 | chouimat | Neo|Work: see :) |
| 23:48.59 | mewyn | ulyx lart praise |
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| 23:49.25 | mewyn | neo: what are you all up in arms about? |
| 23:50.52 | chouimat | mewyn: did you try the papal bowling on the site I posted earlier? |
| 23:51.08 | mewyn | no |
| 23:52.00 | chouimat | www.rathergoods.com/moon_song |
| 23:52.39 | chouimat | http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/ |
| 23:54.57 | chouimat | ulyx fortune |
| 23:54.57 | ulyx | Reporter, n.: A writer who guesses his way to the truth and dispels it with a tempest of words. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" |
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| 23:59.13 | Sniper | hmm |
| 23:59.37 | chouimat | http://www.greymatter.org/satanichamsterdance/ |
