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| 00:13.44 | Hellaenergy | Whats with the kings of #zaurus all of a sudden? |
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| 00:59.00 | Hellaenergy | ibot: C-319 |
| 00:59.01 | | Hellaenergy: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 00:59.14 | Hellaenergy | ibot: C-307 |
| 00:59.15 | | i haven't a clue, Hellaenergy |
| 00:59.22 | Hellaenergy | ibot lart hellaenergy |
| 00:59.29 | Hellaenergy | ah |
| 00:59.53 | NoRemorse | help? |
| 01:00.00 | NoRemorse | u got clue now? |
| 01:00.08 | NoRemorse | if so gimme some |
| 01:00.16 | Hellaenergy | waz up |
| 01:07.43 | sjborch | got clue? |
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| 01:19.17 | roge99 | hey Hellaenergy |
| 01:19.35 | Hellaenergy | hi roge99 welcome back |
| 01:19.43 | Hellaenergy | where you been bro? |
| 01:19.45 | roge99 | thaks |
| 01:19.51 | roge99 | busy |
| 01:20.04 | Hellaenergy | Thats good ;) |
| 01:20.06 | roge99 | just got your mail |
| 01:20.07 | roge99 | lol |
| 01:20.13 | Hellaenergy | You like that :) |
| 01:20.20 | roge99 | yea |
| 01:20.32 | roge99 | how have ya been |
| 01:20.39 | Hellaenergy | I didn't know you where back when I sent that |
| 01:20.46 | Hellaenergy | I have been good |
| 01:20.51 | Hellaenergy | very busy though |
| 01:21.00 | Hellaenergy | I am in school again |
| 01:21.02 | roge99 | thats good |
| 01:21.45 | Hellaenergy | My network is doing a total network makeover and guess whos in charge |
| 01:21.57 | Hellaenergy | work that is |
| 01:22.03 | roge99 | cool |
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| 02:08.09 | Hellaenergy | roge99: Any interesting assignments lately? |
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| 02:44.03 | chouimat | ulyx fortune bofh-excuses |
| 02:44.03 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #48: bad ether in the cables |
| 02:44.44 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: hi |
| 02:44.46 | chouimat | ulyx fortune bofh-excuses |
| 02:44.46 | kergoth`bbl | hey chouimat, roge99 |
| 02:44.47 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #244: Your cat tried to eat the mouse. |
| 02:45.00 | kergoth`bbl | pretty dead tonight eh |
| 02:45.19 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: fortune plugin seems to work execpt for fortune list |
| 02:45.39 | kergoth`bbl | fortune list? |
| 02:46.01 | chouimat | ulyx: fortune list |
| 02:46.01 | ulyx | ___% /usr/share/games/fortune, ___% fortunes, ___% fortunes2 |
| 02:46.12 | kergoth`bbl | ah :) |
| 02:46.26 | kergoth`bbl | ulyx: fortune |
| 02:46.27 | ulyx | Beware of altruism. It is based on self-deception, the root of all evil. |
| 02:46.40 | chouimat | ulyx fortune dune |
| 02:46.40 | ulyx | Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic. -- from "The Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan |
| 02:46.47 | kergoth`bbl | nice |
| 02:46.55 | kergoth`bbl | ulyx: fortune dune |
| 02:46.56 | ulyx | God created Arrakis to train the faithful. -- from "The Wisdom of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan |
| 02:48.39 | sjborch | ulyx help |
| 02:48.40 | ulyx | help topics: core, auth, keywords [26 plugins: autorejoin, cal, dice, excuse, fortune, freshmeat, host, insult|msginsult, karma, lart|praise|addlart|addpraise|rmlart|rmpraise, math, nickserv, nslookup|dns, quotes, remind|remind+, rot13, roulette, search, seen, slap, slashdot, spell, translate, urls, weather, wserver] (help <topic> for more info) |
| 02:48.47 | sjborch | ulyx help fortune |
| 02:48.47 | ulyx | fortune [<module>] => get a (short) fortune, optionally specifying fortune db, fortune list => list available fortune dbs |
| 02:48.57 | sjborch | ulyx fortune list |
| 02:48.57 | ulyx | ___% /usr/share/games/fortune, ___% fortunes, ___% fortunes2 |
| 02:49.15 | sjborch | chouimat: is ulyx your answer to ibot? |
| 02:49.56 | sjborch | ulyx fortune |
| 02:49.57 | ulyx | Said a horny young girl from Milpitas, "My favorite sport is coitus." But a fullback from State Made her period late, And now she has athlete's fetus. |
| 02:50.51 | chouimat | ulyx fortune house-harkonnen |
| 02:50.51 | ulyx | Look inside yourself and you can see the universe. -- Zensunni Aphorism |
| 02:51.12 | kergoth | ulyx: fortune dune |
| 02:51.12 | ulyx | Greatness is a transitory experience. It is never consistent. It depends in part upon the myth-making imagination of humankind. The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in. He must reflect what is projected upon him. And he must have a strong sense of the sardonic. This is what uncouples him from belief in his own pretensions. The sardonic is all that permits him to move |
| 02:51.13 | ulyx | within himself. Without this quality, even occasional greatness will destroy a man. -- from "Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan |
| 02:51.22 | chouimat | ulyx fortune freebsd-tips |
| 02:51.23 | ulyx | To clear the screen, use "clear". To re-display your screen buffer, press the scroll lock key and use your page up button. When you're finished, press the scroll lock key again to get your prompt back. -- Dru <genesis@istar.ca> |
| 02:51.28 | chouimat | ls |
| 02:51.33 | chouimat | fortune list |
| 02:52.08 | chouimat | ulyx fortune SP |
| 02:52.08 | ulyx | Kyle! We're going to the Terrance and Philip movie! |
| 02:52.16 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:52.39 | kergoth | hm, i need to buy the south park movie |
| 02:52.41 | kergoth | never did |
| 02:52.47 | chouimat | ulyx fortune homer |
| 02:52.48 | ulyx | Marge:Homer, remember you promised you'd try to limit pork to six servings a week? Homer:Marge, I'm only human. Principal Charming |
| 02:53.47 | chouimat | ulyx fortune chalkboard |
| 02:53.47 | ulyx | I CAN'T SEE DEAD PEOPLE I CAN'T SEE DEAD PEOPLE I CAN'T SEE DEAD PEOPLE I CAN'T SEE DEAD PEOPLE Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode BABF05 |
| 02:54.33 | hobbs | nice. |
| 02:54.36 | kergoth | ulyx: lart ulyx |
| 02:54.47 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 02:54.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:55.28 | chouimat | kergoth: maybe one of the brand new dessimat0r larts |
| 02:55.58 | kergoth | ulyx: lart dessimat0r |
| 02:56.35 | chouimat | ulyx fortune work |
| 02:56.35 | ulyx | Surprise due today. Also the rent. |
| 02:56.47 | kergoth | god i'm bored |
| 02:56.56 | chouimat | kergoth: A boss with no humor is like a job that's no fun. |
| 02:58.54 | kergoth | ulyx: yow |
| 02:58.58 | kergoth | ulyx: be zippy |
| 02:59.05 | kergoth | fine then |
| 02:59.07 | kergoth | ibot: be zippy |
| 02:59.11 | chouimat | kergoth: try ulyx fortune zippy |
| 02:59.13 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 02:59.18 | chouimat | ulyx fortune zippy |
| 02:59.18 | ulyx | Catsup and Mustard all over the place! It's the Human Hamburger! |
| 02:59.26 | chouimat | ulyx fortune zippy |
| 02:59.26 | ulyx | PUNK ROCK!! DISCO DUCK!! BIRTH CONTROL!! |
| 02:59.29 | chouimat | ulyx fortune zippy |
| 02:59.30 | ulyx | I want a WESSON OIL lease!! |
| 02:59.33 | chouimat | ulyx fortune zippy |
| 02:59.34 | ulyx | WHO sees a BEACH BUNNY sobbing on a SHAG RUG?! |
| 02:59.51 | chouimat | ulyx fortune bofh-excuses |
| 02:59.51 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #137: User was distributing pornography on server; system seized by FBI. |
| 03:00.40 | chouimat | ulyx fortune bofh-excuses |
| 03:00.40 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #381: Robotic tape changer mistook operator's tie for a backup tape. |
| 03:00.46 | chouimat | lol |
| 03:00.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:01.18 | hobbs | hi kergoth |
| 03:01.34 | chouimat | kergoth: I will modify the fortune plugin to add the currentlist of fortune db |
| 03:01.40 | hobbs | ulyx: fortune politics |
| 03:01.40 | ulyx | Under any conditions, anywhere, whatever you are doing, there is some ordinance under which you can be booked. -- Robert D. Sprecht, Rand Corp. |
| 03:02.11 | chouimat | ulyx fortune starwars |
| 03:02.12 | ulyx | Luke Skywalker: I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters. |
| 03:02.39 | chouimat | ulyx fortune magic |
| 03:02.39 | ulyx | Unseen University had never admitted women, muttering something about problems with the plumbing, but the real reason was an unspoken dread that if women were allowed to mess around with magic they would probably be embarrassingly good at it ... -- Terry Pratchett, "The Light Fantastic" |
| 03:04.21 | chouimat | ulyx fortune futurama |
| 03:04.22 | ulyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.35 | hobbs | eew |
| 03:04.44 | hobbs | ulyx fortune futurama |
| 03:04.44 | ulyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.02 | NoRemorse | heya kergoth u around? |
| 03:06.22 | hobbs | "Old adding-machine won favor with the voters when he promised not to go on a killing spree. But, like most politicians, he promised more than he could deliver." |
| 03:07.05 | hobbs | --Farnsworth I think |
| 03:08.00 | chouimat | ulyx fortune smac |
| 03:08.00 | ulyx | As distances vanish and the people can flow freely from place to place, society will cross a psychological specific heat boundary and enter a new state. No longer a solid or liquid, we have become as a vapor and will expand to fill all available space. And like a gas, we shall not be easily contained. -- Sister Miriam Godwinson, "But for the Grace of God" |
| 03:08.16 | chouimat | ulyx fortune house-atreides |
| 03:08.17 | ulyx | Melange is the financial crux of CHOAM activities. Without this spice, Bene Gesserit Reverend Mothers could not perform feats of observation and human control, Guild Navigators could not see safe pathways across space, and billions of Imperial citizens would die of addictive withdrawal. Any simpleton knows that such dependence upon a single commodity leads to abuse. We are all at risk. -- CHOAM Economic |
| 03:08.17 | ulyx | Analysis of Materiel Flow Patterns |
| 03:08.24 | kergoth | NoRemorse: not for long, but yeah |
| 03:08.31 | chouimat | ulyx fortune art |
| 03:08.32 | ulyx | Around the turn of this century, a composer named Camille Saint-Saens wrote a satirical zoological-fantasy called "Le Carnaval des Animaux." Aside from one movement of this piece, "The Swan", Saint-Saens didn't allow this work to be published or even performed until a year had elapsed after his death. (He died in 1921.) Most of us know the "Swan" movement rather well, with its smooth, flowing cello melody |
| 03:08.32 | ulyx | against a calm background; but I've been having this fantasy... What if he had written this piece with lyrics, as a song to be sung? And, further, what if he had accompanied this song with a musical saw? (This instrument really does exist, often played by percussionists!) Then the piece would be better known as: SAINT-SAENS' SAW SONG "SWAN"! |
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| 03:10.27 | JasonNJ | sup homies. |
| 03:10.32 | kergoth | yo jason |
| 03:10.34 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 03:10.55 | JasonNJ | it be going swimmingly. :) |
| 03:11.03 | JasonNJ | OZ boot on the C700 yet? |
| 03:11.23 | kergoth | naw, i'll work on it again tomorrow |
| 03:11.27 | kergoth | something up with the image |
| 03:11.31 | kergoth | it freaks trying to mount |
| 03:11.33 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 03:11.50 | kergoth | jffs2 thing, it keeps saying hte erase block size is wrong |
| 03:11.57 | kergoth | but i put printks in the mtd driver, its correct |
| 03:11.59 | kergoth | so i dunno |
| 03:12.01 | kergoth | takin a break |
| 03:12.42 | JasonNJ | I'm thinking of picking up a C700 and modding the battery myself |
| 03:13.14 | chouimat | ulyx fortune bofh-excuses |
| 03:13.14 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #125: we just switched to Sprint. |
| 03:13.20 | JasonNJ | first thing tomorrow morning I'm gonna start talking to dell. |
| 03:13.20 | kergoth | its a nice unit, i've really taken to it |
| 03:13.29 | kergoth | cool |
| 03:14.01 | chouimat | kergoth: we need to gather to talk about OE buildsystem soon |
| 03:14.37 | kergoth | yes, agreed |
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| 03:15.06 | kergoth | after 7pm central mon-fri works for me |
| 03:15.16 | kergoth | I avoid project work on the weekends to get some real life activity in |
| 03:15.17 | kergoth | ;) |
| 03:15.55 | chouimat | kergoth: ok |
| 03:16.11 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: remember that error I got in autoconf? I reported it to the bug-report email address. is there another way you can think of that i could get OZ to build on my machine, besides waiting for the response from the bug report, and doing whatever they tell me to? |
| 03:16.38 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: not offhand.. other than trying various autoconf versions |
| 03:16.38 | chouimat | tomorrow at 9h00pm EST is ok? |
| 03:16.49 | kergoth | chouimat: thats fine. #openembedded? |
| 03:17.02 | chouimat | yup I will put that in the topic line |
| 03:17.08 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: i'll just wait a few days then, and see what they come up with. |
| 03:17.11 | kergoth | chouimat: sounds good |
| 03:17.19 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: k, keep me posted |
| 03:17.42 | KeyserSoze | sure thing. |
| 03:17.52 | KeyserSoze | what distro do you use, btw? |
| 03:18.25 | JasonNJ | Windows 2000. |
| 03:18.27 | JasonNJ | :) |
| 03:18.33 | kergoth | haha |
| 03:18.38 | kergoth | atually yeah, my box at home is in win2k atm |
| 03:18.39 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:18.47 | kergoth | but the servers i build on are debian testing and/or debian unstable |
| 03:18.51 | kergoth | depending on the box in question |
| 03:18.55 | JasonNJ | ben is going to build me a debian on my spare box |
| 03:19.21 | chouimat | kergoth: is #openembedded topic is ok? |
| 03:19.24 | JasonNJ | actually, our dev machine at sharp (that is actually a box I own) is a debian. |
| 03:19.48 | JasonNJ | ben gets to clean out my office tomorrow, lol |
| 03:19.49 | kergoth | chouimat: s/how we do it/how do we do it/ |
| 03:19.52 | kergoth | chouimat: other than that its fine |
| 03:20.21 | chouimat | JasonNJ: huh? |
| 03:20.39 | JasonNJ | chou: its not official yet, but I dont work there anymore. |
| 03:20.55 | JasonNJ | I am classified as a friend of the company at the moment. |
| 03:20.56 | chouimat | JasonNJ: contract ended ? |
| 03:21.00 | JasonNJ | yup. |
| 03:21.08 | chouimat | JasonNJ: any project? |
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| 03:21.28 | JasonNJ | you mean what am I gonna do next? |
| 03:21.38 | chouimat | JasonNJ: yup |
| 03:21.55 | JasonNJ | start a software company to do software for linux pda's and stuff. |
| 03:22.20 | chouimat | JasonNJ: fun :) |
| 03:22.51 | chouimat | kergoth: any c700 french translation? |
| 03:23.04 | JasonNJ | chouimat: so fuck you, I cant be fired. |
| 03:23.06 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 03:23.21 | kergoth | chouimat: just put opie on it and use the french i18n pacakge |
| 03:23.24 | kergoth | chouimat: :) |
| 03:23.56 | chouimat | ulyx: lart JasonNJ |
| 03:24.13 | JasonNJ | nasty. |
| 03:24.27 | kergoth | ulyx is a pretty vulgar bot |
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| 03:24.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:24.32 | kergoth | hey mdz |
| 03:24.36 | mdz | hi |
| 03:24.38 | chouimat | JasonNJ: dessimat0r put nastier ones |
| 03:24.38 | mdz | which kernel version do I need to get a decent usbnet driver which will work with the Zaurus? |
| 03:24.41 | JasonNJ | lart kergoth |
| 03:24.46 | kergoth | 2.4.20 + the Z usbnet patch |
| 03:24.48 | kergoth | or 2.4.20-pre* |
| 03:24.53 | mdz | thanks |
| 03:24.55 | chouimat | ulyx lart kergoth |
| 03:24.58 | JasonNJ | ulyx: lart chouimat |
| 03:25.01 | hobbs | or 2.5 if you want to have fun. :) |
| 03:25.04 | kergoth | the Z 2.4.20 usbnet patch is in greg k-h's homedir |
| 03:25.07 | chouimat | ulyx lart kergoth |
| 03:25.12 | kergoth | on kernel.org that is |
| 03:25.13 | chouimat | ulyx lart JasonNJ |
| 03:25.14 | kergoth | ~lart chouimat |
| 03:25.17 | Pendalar | figures I flashed oz3rc2 and forgot to go back to sharp inbetween and get jeod/hancom's *again* |
| 03:25.19 | chouimat | ulyx lart JasonNJ |
| 03:25.28 | Pendalar | I need post-it notes =-/ |
| 03:25.29 | JasonNJ | eew |
| 03:25.45 | JasonNJ | we need to have funnier stuff though |
| 03:25.51 | chouimat | JasonNJ: that a Dessimat0r one |
| 03:25.56 | JasonNJ | like "ulyx flashes your zaurus with Windows CE" |
| 03:26.01 | mdz | there are a lot of patches in greg k-h's homedir :-) |
| 03:26.08 | kergoth | hehe. true that |
| 03:26.08 | JasonNJ | "ulyx puts your mom on autopr0n.com" |
| 03:26.13 | mdz | is it the usb-usbnet patch? |
| 03:26.22 | mdz | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/usb/2.4/usb-usbnet-2.4.20.patch or such |
| 03:26.45 | kergoth | afaicr yeah. read the patch to be certain |
| 03:26.50 | JasonNJ | "ulyx smashes your nuts between the zaurus keyboard slider" |
| 03:27.04 | kergoth | ouch |
| 03:27.07 | mdz | ah, it has a comment at the top, how nice |
| 03:27.11 | mdz | [PATCH] usbnet talks to Zaurus |
| 03:27.16 | kergoth | ~brick JasonNJ |
| 03:27.21 | | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on JasonNJ and turns JasonNJ into a brick |
| 03:27.26 | mdz | so this one will not cause my kernel to implode like usbdnet, I hope |
| 03:27.31 | kergoth | ~pester mdz |
| 03:27.33 | | mdz: PESTER PESTER PESTER! |
| 03:27.46 | mdz | ibot: eat it |
| 03:27.47 | | mdz: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 03:28.08 | Pendalar | mdz : was that in reference to what I said or the larting? |
| 03:28.35 | hobbs | mdz: no implosions for me. |
| 03:29.08 | mdz | Pendalar: eh? didn't notice you said anything |
| 03:29.22 | mdz | hobbs: this box ran flawlessly for 84 days |
| 03:29.28 | mdz | hobbs: and imploded after 2 days of heavy usbdnet usage |
| 03:29.38 | mdz | oopsing left and right |
| 03:29.51 | hobbs | yeah. usbdnet does that if you don't hand-apply a fix. |
| 03:29.59 | mdz | well great |
| 03:30.02 | hobbs | surprising it took two days actually. |
| 03:30.03 | JasonNJ | mdz: well of course it imploded. The usbdnet driver is a peice of shit. |
| 03:30.16 | mdz | JasonNJ: that's my assessment |
| 03:30.32 | kergoth | yep, usbdnet doesnt have much if any error handling |
| 03:30.43 | kergoth | something fails, hey look a NULL pointer, b00m |
| 03:30.50 | mdz | so is anyone using usbnet with this patch on 2.4.20 with success? |
| 03:31.13 | mdz | modulo the usual 2.4.20 crap which I think has been patched in the debian sources by now |
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| 03:31.29 | chouimat | JasonNJ: updated ulyx lart file |
| 03:31.38 | chouimat | ulyx lart ibot |
| 03:31.38 | kergoth | mdz: it worked in my limited testing, though i hear the version in latest 2.4.21-pre is better |
| 03:31.44 | mdz | hmm |
| 03:31.48 | chouimat | ulyx fortune homer |
| 03:31.48 | ulyx | Boy, those Germans have a word for everything. -- Homer Simpson When Flanders Failed |
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| 03:32.00 | mdz | there's a 2.4.21-pre3 patch in the same dir |
| 03:32.24 | mdz | looks like it only adds support for the B500 though |
| 03:32.54 | kergoth | yeah, the general Z support is in stock -pre3 |
| 03:33.08 | chouimat | hmmm tonight Alias episode was ... |
| 03:33.46 | mdz | think it's safe to grab usbnet.c from .21-pre3 for .20? |
| 03:33.46 | JasonNJ | DONT SAY ANYTHING |
| 03:33.52 | JasonNJ | its still on my tivo |
| 03:34.12 | chouimat | JasonNJ: ok |
| 03:34.15 | JasonNJ | chouimat: is canada on the same season as the states are? |
| 03:34.24 | chouimat | JasonNJ: second |
| 03:34.34 | kergoth | mdz: probably, unless it depends on a change elsewhere. |
| 03:34.34 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 03:34.38 | kergoth | mdz: which i doubt |
| 03:34.46 | JasonNJ | right, last week they killed everyone at SD6 |
| 03:34.54 | chouimat | JasonNJ: yup |
| 03:35.08 | JasonNJ | jennifer garner is HOT. |
| 03:35.09 | chouimat | JasonNJ: can you made an avi of tonight episode? |
| 03:35.20 | JasonNJ | I so want to see nudies of her |
| 03:35.25 | chouimat | JasonNJ: she play in the daredevil |
| 03:35.39 | kergoth | she's in daredevil? nice |
| 03:35.45 | JasonNJ | yeah elektra |
| 03:39.31 | mdz | the .21-pre4 changes look pretty sane, I'm going to merge them in |
| 03:39.38 | mdz | the usbnet ones anyway |
| 03:40.04 | JasonNJ | man this shuttle thing is so fucked up. |
| 03:40.37 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 03:40.41 | chouimat | they still talk about it |
| 03:40.53 | JasonNJ | they are gonna talk about it for 6 months |
| 03:41.08 | JasonNJ | that and iraq are the only two things they are gonna talk about for 6 months... |
| 03:41.49 | kergoth | its an absolute tragedy, but I dont want to hear the same shit about it over and fucking over again |
| 03:41.54 | kergoth | which makes me glad i dont watch the news much |
| 03:41.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:42.13 | JasonNJ | "Among the remains recovered are a charred torso, thigh bone and skull with front teeth, and a charred leg. An empty astronaut's helmet also could contain some genetic traces. |
| 03:42.37 | kergoth | hell of a way to go |
| 03:42.40 | JasonNJ | that is totally fucked. |
| 03:43.38 | mdz | not as fucked as trying to sell it on ebay |
| 03:44.01 | kergoth | true that |
| 03:46.00 | JasonNJ | apparently, the iraqis were dancing in the streets with joy |
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| 03:55.10 | chouimat | hmmm reactos in bochs is cool |
| 03:56.01 | NoRemorse | if they were all israeli pilots it would be forgotten allready |
| 03:57.18 | chouimat | hmm my cat is sleeping in the washing machine |
| 03:57.27 | mrluisp | in? |
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| 03:58.25 | find_me | why should i buy zaurus ? |
| 03:58.34 | chouimat | mrluisp: yup in |
| 03:58.41 | chouimat | find_me: LINUX |
| 03:58.42 | mrluisp | find_me: the better question is why not |
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| 03:58.56 | find_me | i have linux on my pc 2 |
| 03:58.59 | mrluisp | lol |
| 03:59.11 | destr0 | do you guys know if the 5600 is out yet? |
| 03:59.14 | mrluisp | I thinkk it's funny you're asking in here and not some sharp salesperson |
| 03:59.18 | shadowhorn | i got my sl-5500 yesterday for $165. was that a good price :) |
| 03:59.29 | mrluisp | shadowhorn: damn... |
| 03:59.30 | Deathwind | shadowhorn: o_O yes :) |
| 03:59.39 | hobbs | shadowhorn: yes, it's a "you suck" price. |
| 03:59.40 | shadowhorn | it was brand new :) |
| 03:59.48 | Deathwind | shadowhorn: if it's not a one-time deal thing, would you mind sharing where you got it? :D |
| 04:00.05 | hobbs | haha. I forgot that you hang out here. hi Deathwind ;p |
| 04:00.17 | shadowhorn | it was a clearance price at staples. i got another 20% off for it not having a stylus |
| 04:00.23 | Deathwind | Hi hobbs ;) |
| 04:00.25 | james_lan-deskto | hi, anyone know if sharp's camera is video4linux, or does it interface a different way? |
| 04:01.02 | james_lan-deskto | shadowhorn, where? |
| 04:01.17 | JasonNJ | destr0: wont be out until march or april. |
| 04:01.23 | james_lan-deskto | holy s**t |
| 04:01.29 | james_lan-deskto | great price! |
| 04:01.36 | KeyserSoze | what?!?! clearance at staples? that's insane. |
| 04:01.39 | mrluisp | hmmm, that's not "early 2003" |
| 04:01.42 | shadowhorn | it was at a staples store in oregon. i live in washington and none of these stores have it for that price. they are all 399.99 here |
| 04:01.50 | KeyserSoze | doh. |
| 04:01.55 | JasonNJ | mr: they slipped. |
| 04:02.02 | hobbs | shadowhorn: I paid $350 online. |
| 04:02.08 | gaurdian | haha..I got mine for 250 at office depot, they stopped carrying it |
| 04:02.18 | gaurdian | was VERY happy |
| 04:02.20 | shadowhorn | yea, all the salesman were telling what a good price it was :) |
| 04:02.27 | KeyserSoze | damnit. i paid 275 for mine, and i got it used. |
| 04:02.33 | Deathwind | hmmm staples online "clearance" is $379 |
| 04:02.46 | JasonNJ | my sl-550's screen started going wonky. |
| 04:02.47 | Hellaenergy | ibot: zaurus 5600 |
| 04:02.47 | | bugger all, i dunno, Hellaenergy |
| 04:02.47 | james_lan-deskto | I got mine for my birthdday (and the next day they droped them to 313 on clearance, so we got 3 others.) |
| 04:02.52 | mrluisp | hey, well shadowhorn, good for you man |
| 04:02.55 | james_lan-deskto | ibot 5600 |
| 04:02.56 | JasonNJ | I wont be able to get it replaced easily |
| 04:02.58 | Hellaenergy | ibot: SL5600 |
| 04:03.13 | james_lan-deskto | ibot hello |
| 04:03.13 | | salut |
| 04:03.16 | JasonNJ | guess my screwy 5600 will have to suffice |
| 04:03.17 | Hellaenergy | JasonNJ: when is the 5600 coming out? |
| 04:03.19 | james_lan-deskto | ~5600 |
| 04:03.21 | gaurdian | why cant sharp fix ya screen ? |
| 04:03.28 | james_lan-deskto | ~sl-5600 |
| 04:03.29 | | sl-5600 is, like, the newest zaurus, announced Nov12. More info available at http://www.sharpusa.com/products/FunctionPressReleases/0,1079,32,00.html and http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1016,00.html and photos available at http://psifertex.com/gallery/sl5600, or http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1027,00.html |
| 04:03.36 | mrluisp | hardwire: he said march or april |
| 04:03.36 | JasonNJ | well, for starters, I no longer work at Sharp. |
| 04:03.47 | JasonNJ | second, we got no more 5500's interally. |
| 04:03.56 | JasonNJ | a lot of them got sent out as loaners. |
| 04:03.57 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 04:04.08 | gaurdian | do the screens go out a lot ? |
| 04:04.14 | JasonNJ | no |
| 04:04.22 | gaurdian | whew |
| 04:04.27 | JasonNJ | my just started acting weird recently |
| 04:04.43 | gaurdian | I just wish OZ had a email app |
| 04:04.52 | james_lan-deskto | screens don't go out much (bloody piece of glass between it and the touchscreen breaks sometimes though! |
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| 04:05.58 | gaurdian | but I am really likeing the Z |
| 04:06.34 | james_lan-deskto | and they (sharp) will not fix just that, they must fix the whole thing, when the lcd works. (sorry, an hour on the phone people eventually with someone who has 'been in the lcd business' telling me that the LCD is broken when I am looking at it and the LCD isn't kind of pisses me off) |
| 04:06.39 | gaurdian | so any idea if sharp plans to release aneother rom for the 550 ? |
| 04:07.09 | james_lan-deskto | JasonNJ, isn't the screen the same part? |
| 04:07.17 | Hellaenergy | whats that new zaurus 3XX? |
| 04:07.22 | james_lan-deskto | (in the 5600 and the 5500) |
| 04:07.42 | JasonNJ | yeah the 5600 and 5500 have the same lcd |
| 04:07.45 | james_lan-deskto | Hellaenergy: you mean the a300? |
| 04:07.50 | Hellaenergy | yeah |
| 04:07.50 | james_lan-deskto | ~a300 |
| 04:07.55 | | extra, extra, read all about it, a300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale or a pxa210 |
| 04:07.55 | Hellaenergy | ibot A300 |
| 04:07.55 | | methinks a300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale or a pxa210 |
| 04:07.56 | james_lan-deskto | ~sl-a300 |
| 04:07.57 | | methinks sl-a300 is Japan's new Zaurus, with new software that SHOULD have been released to the international versions FIRST!!!! |
| 04:08.04 | JasonNJ | guardian: I seriously doubt it at this point |
| 04:08.21 | gaurdian | :( that REALLY sucks |
| 04:08.25 | JasonNJ | stick with OZ |
| 04:08.28 | JasonNJ | yes it does suck |
| 04:08.30 | Hellaenergy | the one with thte flip screen? |
| 04:08.36 | gaurdian | but OZ doesnt have a email ap |
| 04:08.45 | gaurdian | or I would |
| 04:08.46 | JasonNJ | go with tkcmail |
| 04:08.47 | JasonNJ | it works good |
| 04:08.50 | gaurdian | not out |
| 04:08.58 | gaurdian | I just checked |
| 04:09.01 | Hellaenergy | no not the a300 |
| 04:09.03 | JasonNJ | really? I thought he released it |
| 04:09.12 | gaurdian | nope...asked shawn Friday |
| 04:09.19 | james_lan-deskto | It looks like sharp has kind of turned the production of new roms over to the community at least for the 5500, given that they really haven't released a new one (network + sd fixes for the last two) for about 6 months |
| 04:09.24 | gaurdian | so if no email I cant use OZ |
| 04:09.36 | find_me | ibot: memory |
| 04:09.36 | | well, memory is Chips in a computer that remember data. Also commonly referred to as RAM. |
| 04:09.39 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: You know which one I mean? The one that costs $699 |
| 04:09.54 | find_me | ibot: SL5500 memory |
| 04:09.55 | | find_me: i don't know |
| 04:10.03 | JasonNJ | ibot: jasonnj |
| 04:10.03 | | i heard jasonnj is quoted as saying: <JasonNJ> angry: I mainly sit on noidd's ass and listen to idiots on IRC |
| 04:10.03 | james_lan-deskto | ibot c700 |
| 04:10.04 | | [c700] http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus2003/, or http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/ |
| 04:10.05 | Hellaenergy | 64mb |
| 04:10.21 | angry | lol |
| 04:10.25 | Hellaenergy | thanks james_lan-deskto |
| 04:10.29 | james_lan-deskto | ibot sl500 memory is 64MB |
| 04:10.30 | | okay, james_lan-deskto |
| 04:10.37 | gaurdian | if Tkmail was out it would be no prob |
| 04:10.40 | james_lan-deskto | ibot sl5500 memory |
| 04:10.40 | | james_lan-deskto: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 04:10.47 | angry | night all |
| 04:10.51 | james_lan-deskto | night |
| 04:10.52 | james_lan-deskto | ibot sl5500 memory |
| 04:10.53 | | james_lan-deskto: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:11.07 | james_lan-deskto | ibot help |
| 04:11.12 | Hellaenergy | It's 64MB of memory in the SL5500 |
| 04:11.17 | JasonNJ | ibot: jasonnj Used to run the Zaurus Developer Program. Now he is a bum that sits at home and plays with his food web site, eGullet.com |
| 04:11.18 | | JasonNJ: that's too long |
| 04:11.23 | find_me | just 64 MB. |
| 04:11.31 | find_me | how do we load apps. ? |
| 04:11.56 | find_me | 65mb is itsy bitsy. bikini size. |
| 04:12.00 | JasonNJ | ibot: JasonNJ is Used to run the Zaurus Developer Program. Now he runs eGullet.com |
| 04:12.01 | | ...but jasonnj is already something else... |
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| 04:12.03 | find_me | s/65/64 |
| 04:12.08 | JasonNJ | fucking hell |
| 04:12.18 | JasonNJ | how do you change an ibot record |
| 04:12.38 | hobbs | JasonNJ: make it "ibot: no, " yadda yadda yadda |
| 04:12.44 | james_lan-deskto | ibot forget jasonnj |
| 04:12.44 | | i didn't have anything called 'jasonnj ', james_lan-deskto |
| 04:12.54 | gaurdian | so JasonNJ , in your opinion will OZ continue to support 5500 ? |
| 04:13.00 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 04:13.10 | JasonNJ | its your best option as a 5500 user. |
| 04:13.13 | gaurdian | even with the 700 and 5600 out ? |
| 04:13.17 | JasonNJ | yes. |
| 04:13.22 | hobbs | ibot: no, JasonNJ is a nacho nacho man. |
| 04:13.23 | | hobbs: okay |
| 04:13.27 | hobbs | see? :) |
| 04:13.35 | james_lan-deskto | yes, infact much of the openembedded is toward that |
| 04:13.45 | Pendalar | I like OZ plenty, opie however sometimes pisses me off |
| 04:13.48 | gaurdian | well, soon as a email app comes out I can go with rc2 |
| 04:13.51 | JasonNJ | ibot, no, JasonNJ used to run the Zaurus Developer Program and now runs eGullet.com |
| 04:13.52 | | JasonNJ: You are moron #3 |
| 04:13.54 | james_lan-deskto | making a crossplatform (xscale, strongarm, among them) |
| 04:14.07 | gaurdian | untill then, I cant |
| 04:14.14 | JasonNJ | ibot: jasonnj |
| 04:14.15 | | somebody said jasonnj was a nacho nacho man. |
| 04:14.21 | Pendalar | gaurdian can't you grab one off the feed? |
| 04:14.28 | james_lan-deskto | ibot: SL5500memory is 64MB |
| 04:14.28 | | okay, james_lan-deskto |
| 04:14.33 | JasonNJ | fuck ibot |
| 04:14.36 | Pendalar | just because it's not installed as is, doesn't mean you can't add.. |
| 04:14.37 | gaurdian | none of em work |
| 04:14.43 | Pendalar | qpe-mail ? |
| 04:14.47 | gaurdian | nope |
| 04:14.53 | hobbs | ibot: no, JasonNJ is used to run the Zaurus Developer Program and now runs eGullet.com |
| 04:14.54 | | okay, hobbs |
| 04:14.55 | Pendalar | how does it not work? |
| 04:14.56 | find_me | ibot: i luv you |
| 04:14.57 | | no idea, find_me |
| 04:14.57 | gaurdian | already talked to kergoth about them |
| 04:15.00 | james_lan-deskto | ibot: sl5500 memory |
| 04:15.00 | | james_lan-deskto: bugger all, i dunno |
| 04:15.01 | hobbs | JasonNJ: you didn't have an "is" |
| 04:15.05 | james_lan-deskto | ibot: sl5500memory |
| 04:15.06 | | somebody said sl5500memory was 64MB |
| 04:15.23 | hobbs | JasonNJ: actually, watch this: |
| 04:15.36 | hobbs | ibot: no, JasonNJ is <reply> JasonNJ used to run the Zaurus Developer Program and now runs eGullet.com |
| 04:15.37 | | hobbs: okay |
| 04:15.40 | hobbs | ibot: JasonNJ |
| 04:15.41 | | JasonNJ used to run the Zaurus Developer Program and now runs eGullet.com |
| 04:16.08 | james_lan-deskto | ibot james_lan |
| 04:16.09 | | james_lan-deskto: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 04:16.09 | find_me | ibot: i am king. |
| 04:16.09 | | find_me: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 04:16.09 | JasonNJ | I am, in fact, an ex-Sharpie. |
| 04:16.24 | JasonNJ | as of last friday. |
| 04:16.34 | Pendalar | JasonNJ are you glad to leave or no? |
| 04:16.44 | hobbs | haha. Sharpie. |
| 04:16.46 | JasonNJ | Pend: I needed to move on. |
| 04:17.16 | Pendalar | it's funny seeing you want to leave Sharp, and yet some of us would like to get in (or something similiar) |
| 04:17.44 | find_me | how much max. memory can sl5500 take. |
| 04:17.47 | JasonNJ | i'm still a friend of the company though, and I will be continuing to work with the OZ/OE team in my future endeavors. |
| 04:18.00 | JasonNJ | Pend: trust me, you dont wanna work there now. |
| 04:18.19 | JasonNJ | its not a healthy environment for a OSS/Linux person. |
| 04:18.42 | arete | why not? |
| 04:19.08 | JasonNJ | because, their focus is now towards enterprise business and they are less concerned with their releationship with OSS than before. |
| 04:19.24 | chouimat | JasonNJ: bad bad bad |
| 04:19.49 | james_lan-deskto | theoretically max SD (4GB unreleased) and max CF (or CF -> PCMCIA, and 5GB PCMCIA cards can be had for <300$) |
| 04:19.56 | JasonNJ | chou: its just the way it is. So if you like zaurus hardware and like linux, OZ/OE has to be your preferred environment. It is now mine. |
| 04:20.31 | find_me | james_lan-deskto: hmm, 5GB sounds good. thanks. |
| 04:20.34 | chouimat | JasonNJ: I'm trying to made the OE build systems and I got some idea but |
| 04:20.36 | arete | not surprised considering the low rate of adoption for the zaurus |
| 04:20.45 | arete | wonder what it means for the japanese market though, which I guess is more popular? |
| 04:20.49 | find_me | i guess enterprisers running SFA won't mind that kind of money. |
| 04:21.00 | JasonNJ | arete: they are doing what is necessary for them to survive, I am totally understanding. |
| 04:21.23 | james_lan-deskto | IBM released a prototype/reference design for a pda recently, and given the IBM/Sharp disussion I was wondering if anyone knew if that was a next gen Z (or would be) say a 5700 or something |
| 04:21.38 | JasonNJ | james: there is currently no such plan. |
| 04:21.51 | james_lan-deskto | find_me: with a CF->PCMCIA converter |
| 04:21.56 | arete | the ibm thing was a real primitive showcase for their new embedded powerpc chip |
| 04:21.59 | JasonNJ | I think depending on how successful the 5600 is, there may or may not be more Zaurii in teh US. |
| 04:22.00 | arete | thats it I'd guess |
| 04:22.02 | james_lan-deskto | =bulky |
| 04:22.04 | JasonNJ | and that is the actual truth. |
| 04:22.28 | JasonNJ | any other statements are simply just speculative. |
| 04:22.39 | gaurdian | the Z isnt for your everyday pocket pc user though IMHO |
| 04:22.46 | JasonNJ | nope. |
| 04:23.10 | james_lan-deskto | Pity, if that is true. Every PPC or Palm user I have shown it to has been well, envious. |
| 04:23.12 | JasonNJ | if the 5600 makes a good impact on business users, I would say you'll see more zauruses coming. |
| 04:23.14 | gaurdian | I went with the Z for the programming and *nix base (flexibility) |
| 04:23.21 | JasonNJ | if not, there wont be anymore in the US. |
| 04:23.23 | find_me | why would a enterprise go for Z instead of powering its sales force with laptops. or so called tablet pcs |
| 04:23.36 | james_lan-deskto | Portability |
| 04:23.39 | JasonNJ | findme: cost |
| 04:23.50 | mrluisp | cause tablet pcs run hot as hell |
| 04:23.53 | JasonNJ | open software standars. |
| 04:23.57 | JasonNJ | standards. |
| 04:24.12 | arete | yeah most people I see at work use their PDAs for meeting reminders, contact info, etc |
| 04:24.14 | find_me | i see. |
| 04:24.16 | james_lan-deskto | even the smallest laptop is larger than would be convienient, often times. |
| 04:24.21 | JasonNJ | mind you, I'm not saying they are necessarily going to succeed. |
| 04:24.25 | gaurdian | arete , I also use the Z for that |
| 04:24.30 | JasonNJ | my personal opinion is, they wont. |
| 04:24.33 | arete | I use my sidekick =) |
| 04:24.36 | JasonNJ | but I hope they stick around. |
| 04:24.45 | arete | I have a c700 but imho its no good as apda |
| 04:25.04 | gaurdian | mine is....does everything I need/want as a PSA |
| 04:25.07 | gaurdian | PDA |
| 04:25.15 | find_me | where do i start developing s/w for zaurus. |
| 04:25.23 | JasonNJ | www.zaurus.com/dev |
| 04:25.31 | james_lan-deskto | I use mine that way, and I do everything I want to on a Z |
| 04:25.39 | arete | yeah with a full set of tkc apps, the 5500 is probably a very nice pda |
| 04:25.41 | gaurdian | same here.... |
| 04:25.48 | arete | they don't run acceptibly on the c700 though |
| 04:25.57 | gaurdian | Yea..I have a full set tck apps :) thats why probably |
| 04:26.11 | arete | from what I've seen of tkctodo, its better htan any other todo app out there |
| 04:26.13 | KeyserSoze | people use their zauruses? i thought they were only used for developing cool apps in linux? |
| 04:26.15 | gaurdian | well, not the games... |
| 04:26.33 | james_lan-deskto | mp3 recording, movie playing, movie playinging, remote control, aim client, webbrowser, and portable do everything, except record realtime mpeg4 :) |
| 04:26.52 | gaurdian | remote controll ??? |
| 04:26.55 | treke|gone | very nice with a full set of opie apps also :) |
| 04:27.01 | james_lan-deskto | yep |
| 04:27.05 | gaurdian | the IR port is in the wrong place IMHO for that |
| 04:27.14 | james_lan-deskto | opie-remote, along with lirc |
| 04:27.23 | james_lan-deskto | kind of awkward at times, yes |
| 04:28.07 | james_lan-deskto | and opie-remote is not the best app, but as zremote doesn't have a layout or icon, it is the best atm |
| 04:28.19 | gaurdian | well soon as tkcmail comes out...I am OZ |
| 04:29.01 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 04:29.07 | james_lan-deskto | night |
| 04:29.37 | chouimat|Zzzzz | JasonNJ: did you see the topic in #openembedded? |
| 04:29.56 | arete | I'm looking forward to OZ for the c700 if it ever comes out |
| 04:30.31 | james_lan-deskto | often times (my desktop is a very moble computer) I won't even reconnect it, instead relying on the Z |
| 04:31.31 | james_lan-deskto | i have been even thinking of getting an 802.11b card for it and building a wheel set for it, to drive it around :) |
| 04:31.45 | arete | hehe |
| 04:32.07 | arete | the pda market sucks of late |
| 04:32.08 | gaurdian | heh |
| 04:32.11 | arete | all the new pocket pcs are lame |
| 04:32.17 | arete | new palms too, although that garmin one is nice |
| 04:32.25 | arete | xscale is busy fucking up all the pdas |
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| 04:34.45 | james_lan-deskto | Would have been nice if DEC's team had had more time to work on StrongARM |
| 04:36.28 | james_lan-deskto | (fan of DEC procs here. which are generally only now being overtaken in the fields they are in (StrongARM and Alpha). and both have been bought by Intel (hiss)) |
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| 04:54.02 | mdz | this just is not my week...bad ram in one machine, and now I'm getting random gcc segfaults on another |
| 04:56.03 | gaurdian | I hear ya...I am getting random reboots now...been fine for months |
| 04:56.19 | gaurdian | well, reboots and freezes |
| 04:59.13 | mdz | this box seems to memtest86 clean though, so I have no idea what's wrong with it |
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| 05:07.26 | shadowhorn | any idea why i can ping from laptop to my Z, from my Z to my laptop, but Qtopia says that my Z isn't connected? i have tried both 1.5 and 1.6 of Qtopia. |
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| 05:10.12 | hellabot | "Hellaenergy" pasted NEW PASTE BOT at http://www.hellaweb.com:8888/1 |
| 05:10.51 | Hellaenergy | Have fun let me know if there are any problems |
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| 05:12.56 | warmi | hi |
| 05:21.41 | chouimat|Zzzzz | hi warmi |
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| 05:36.55 | warmi | does anyone know what sdl-config is used for ? |
| 05:37.23 | treke|home | warmi: Telling gcc what libraries to link with and what include paths to use |
| 05:37.29 | treke|home | and other stuff like that |
| 05:37.56 | treke|home | run sdl-config --cflags or --libs |
| 05:38.16 | warmi | ok thanks let me try |
| 05:40.44 | warmi | arm-linux-gcc -o sdltest main.o -L/opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib -Wl,-rpath,/opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib -lSDLmain -lSDL -L/opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib -L/opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib/ -lqpe -lqte -lpthread |
| 05:41.06 | warmi | this is giving me undefined reference to `SDL_main' |
| 05:41.07 | warmi | oh well |
| 05:41.36 | warmi | I will ask Neo some other time |
| 05:41.43 | warmi | he designed this stuff for the ZAurus |
| 05:45.37 | gaurdian | that gcc for the Z ? |
| 05:47.13 | mrluisp | why do you have -lSDLmain? |
| 05:47.53 | warmi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.03 | warmi | this ine gives me undefined reference to main |
| 05:48.04 | treke|home | mrluisp: it handles some qt setup |
| 05:48.10 | warmi | which means I have to have it |
| 05:48.18 | treke|home | mrluisp: necessary for sdl on qtopia |
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| 05:49.11 | chouimat|Zzzzz | http://www.dynarec.com/~jules/ <-- interesting |
| 05:49.31 | treke|home | chouimat|Zzzzz: how long have you been planning on going to sleep now. |
| 05:49.54 | sjborch | all work and no play makes choumat lart |
| 05:50.49 | treke|home | he'll do that anyways |
| 05:51.16 | chouimat|Zzzzz | treke|home: about an 1hr watching tv |
| 05:51.41 | chouimat|Zzzzz | ulyx praise sjb |
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| 05:52.09 | sjborch | d'oh! |
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| 06:28.49 | mrluisp | ah ok |
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| 06:44.39 | USAG33k | howdy? |
| 06:45.44 | gaurdian | hello |
| 06:46.42 | USAG33k | dude |
| 06:47.00 | USAG33k | like, do you have any idea about the flashing problems that some zaurus' have with oz? |
| 06:49.54 | gaurdian | no idea...dont use OZ, but when I did it flashed fine |
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| 08:34.55 | moot | anyone around using 3.1rc2? |
| 08:35.01 | moot | oz that is |
| 08:36.05 | effy-kun | sup moot |
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| 08:36.22 | moot | effy, cant get my damn z to suspend ;0 |
| 08:37.17 | effy-kun | hmmmm, I'm not using OZ at the moment |
| 08:37.55 | moot | been messing with it for hours |
| 08:38.07 | moot | if i term opie or reboot/shutdown etc, i cant ever get back into opie |
| 08:38.14 | moot | give ms a login: where nothing works |
| 08:39.33 | effy-kun | isnt 3.1rc2 bleeding edge? |
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| 08:42.29 | warmi | re |
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| 10:11.25 | moot | anyone here use zradio |
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| 10:41.47 | Penth | Does anyone know where to find the usbdnet patch for 2.4.20? It doesn't seem to be availabe at ZaurusZone |
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| 12:41.58 | warmi | hi |
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| 13:33.38 | raceme | Pendalar: you should use usbnet which is included in the kernel... well at least 2.4.21pre4 |
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| 14:59.39 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:59.52 | warmi | hi chouimat |
| 15:00.26 | chouimat | ulyx fortune |
| 15:00.26 | ulyx | Women who want to be equal to men lack imagination -- Graffito in a women's restroom |
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| 15:25.58 | chouimat | <Burned> Its stuff like the Columbia shuttle disaster that really brings you down to earth |
| 15:33.52 | Wintre | boo |
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| 15:43.43 | chouimat | <Reaper_of_Souls> at the risk of sounding unbelievably gay, lace underware has more crotch space than you'd think |
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| 16:16.49 | Hellaenergy | ibot: C700 |
| 16:16.53 | | i heard c700 is http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus2003/, or http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/ |
| 16:18.21 | Hellaenergy | does the c700 have a jre on it? |
| 16:18.38 | kergoth | yep, even includes the same demos the 5000d/5500 had on it |
| 16:19.08 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: Do you have one? |
| 16:19.45 | kergoth | for a month, yeah |
| 16:19.59 | Hellaenergy | How is it compaired to the 5600 |
| 16:20.31 | yeiazel | hello... need some help :) |
| 16:20.34 | kergoth | same processor, same ram, same flash |
| 16:20.39 | kergoth | its the formfactor which is differnt |
| 16:20.39 | yeiazel | opie has crashed, and won't restart |
| 16:20.46 | kergoth | and its the formfactor that rocks :) |
| 16:20.52 | yeiazel | ("Illegal instruction" when trying to restart it) |
| 16:21.03 | kergoth | yeiazel: you upgraded part of opie without upgrading the rest, i'd say |
| 16:21.34 | yeiazel | kergoth: i've just installed 2 or 3 packages from testing... |
| 16:21.47 | kergoth | exactly. |
| 16:21.49 | Hellaenergy | Give me 10 reasons why WinCE sucks shit |
| 16:21.49 | kergoth | what packages? |
| 16:21.52 | yeiazel | but note opie core packages |
| 16:21.56 | yeiazel | s/note/not/ |
| 16:22.03 | kergoth | what packages? |
| 16:22.10 | yeiazel | don't remember |
| 16:23.08 | Hellaenergy | anyone? |
| 16:23.16 | yeiazel | Hellaenergy: don't move |
| 16:23.21 | yeiazel | i'm typing some |
| 16:23.37 | kergoth | yeiazel: either 1) you installed applets |
| 16:23.47 | yeiazel | kergoth: i don't think so |
| 16:23.52 | kergoth | yeiazel: or 2) you installed apps that depended on the newer versions of hte base packages, which then got inadvertantly installed. |
| 16:23.55 | kergoth | you're not listening. |
| 16:24.01 | kergoth | I'm telling you what the possible sources of the problem are. |
| 16:24.05 | yeiazel | i *am* listening |
| 16:24.06 | kergoth | there is no 'i dont think so' |
| 16:24.10 | kergoth | this is the way it is. |
| 16:24.11 | kergoth | period. |
| 16:24.17 | kergoth | either 1 or 2 occured |
| 16:24.58 | yeiazel | is there something like "apt dist-upgrade" with ipkg ? |
| 16:25.04 | kergoth | ipkg upgrdae |
| 16:25.06 | kergoth | ipkg upgrade |
| 16:25.07 | kergoth | rather |
| 16:25.21 | yeiazel | oops |
| 16:25.25 | yeiazel | battery dead |
| 16:25.54 | kergoth | yeah, the proper solution is to upgrade everything |
| 16:25.59 | kergoth | opie has some pretty intricate interdependencies |
| 16:26.10 | kergoth | like when the api of its libopie or applets change |
| 16:26.10 | yeiazel | Hellaenergy: 1) i can't tweak it; 2) it's not free; 3) mplayer does not work with wince; 4) no console; 5) no fun; 6) no pda with sd+cf+wince; 7) unstable; 8) it's from evil MS ... no other idea |
| 16:28.10 | Hellaenergy | Does the z have a python RE? |
| 16:28.46 | Hellaenergy | ibot: python |
| 16:28.50 | | somebody said python was supposed to be easy and powerful... I've never touched it myself or a language or better than ruby or inferior to ruby |
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| 16:29.11 | destr0 | can you run python on a zaurus? |
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| 16:29.22 | yeiazel | yes |
| 16:29.39 | destr0 | PyQt? |
| 16:29.44 | yeiazel | yes, pyqt |
| 16:29.50 | destr0 | w00t |
| 16:29.52 | yeiazel | search "python zaurus" with google |
| 16:29.59 | destr0 | I'm definitly buying one now |
| 16:30.04 | yeiazel | :) |
| 16:30.22 | Hellaenergy | see destr0 its the shit |
| 16:30.45 | destr0 | I never said it wasn't |
| 16:30.46 | Hellaenergy | yeiazel: Thanks for your input btw |
| 16:30.52 | Hellaenergy | I agree %100 |
| 16:31.17 | Hellaenergy | destr0: I didn't imply you did |
| 16:32.37 | kergoth | that reminds me, i wonder if onyx4 updated the unstable feed with all the python packages |
| 16:33.00 | Hellaenergy | is there a postgres port for the z? |
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| 16:36.26 | icefox | I heard 'Batt out of hell' on my way to work this morning and now I can't get it out of my head! |
| 16:37.01 | yeiazel | kergoth: I haven't watched for that, but I'd like to know if the official feeds are going to contain more packages, and no broken dependencies (i.e. no libfreetype in stable) |
| 16:37.02 | kergoth | bat out of hell? meatloaf? |
| 16:37.10 | icefox | yah |
| 16:37.18 | destr0 | is the Does the qt on zuarus have the sql modules? |
| 16:37.20 | icefox | was in late this morning |
| 16:37.23 | kergoth | yeiazel: stable has not and will not be updated until another release occurs. |
| 16:37.25 | kergoth | yeiazel: period. |
| 16:37.33 | kergoth | yeiazel: stable is the release branch |
| 16:37.41 | kergoth | yeiazel: testing is the release candidate/testing phase |
| 16:37.42 | icefox | actaully got to hear some "real" music and not some top 3 which is all they play 8-9 and 5-6 |
| 16:37.45 | kergoth | yeiazel: unstable is bleeding edge |
| 16:37.46 | yeiazel | kergoth: yes I know. I'm asking for future releases |
| 16:37.51 | kergoth | yeiazel: what about it? |
| 16:38.03 | kergoth | yeiazel: a future release will be simply moving a set of packages from testing to stable. |
| 16:38.03 | chouimat | icefox: I prefer I would do abything for love .... |
| 16:38.08 | kergoth | yeiazel: how does testing look to you? |
| 16:38.20 | yeiazel | kergoth: it's upgrading... :) |
| 16:38.24 | kergoth | yeiazel: if you see problems, report them prior to the release and it'll be fixed. |
| 16:39.20 | yeiazel | in fact, I'm using debian sid everywhere on my desk/laptop computers, because of the thousands of packages it has. and i *really* wish to have something the same, with many many available packages |
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| 16:39.55 | kergoth | yeiazel: there arent enough for you in testing? |
| 16:40.04 | kergoth | yeiazel: if not, pull down the buildroot and start adding more yourself |
| 16:40.16 | kergoth | yeiazel: the buildsystem we use to build OZ is publically available |
| 16:40.22 | yeiazel | ok |
| 16:40.36 | yeiazel | I think I will contribute, when I'll know how |
| 16:40.59 | yeiazel | (having my zaurus only since jan 10) |
| 16:41.14 | kergoth | hop over to bitkeeper.com and download it |
| 16:41.20 | kergoth | then |
| 16:41.22 | kergoth | ibot: oz kb |
| 16:41.23 | | kergoth: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:41.24 | kergoth | er |
| 16:41.25 | kergoth | ibot: oz bk |
| 16:41.25 | | it has been said that oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 16:41.27 | kergoth | do that |
| 16:42.24 | yeiazel | mmmhh another thing I was chatting about with other z users is the absence of categories with ipk archives... when having thousands packages, it would be annoying |
| 16:42.42 | JasonNJ | morning dudes. |
| 16:42.46 | yeiazel | (is "absence" also right in english ?) |
| 16:43.02 | kergoth | yeiazel: i dont know what you mean by an absence of categories |
| 16:43.06 | kergoth | yeiazel: most packages have a category set |
| 16:43.11 | yeiazel | oh ? |
| 16:43.16 | kergoth | yeiazel: though unfortunately there is no standard set of categories. |
| 16:43.21 | kergoth | its a freeform text field |
| 16:43.27 | yeiazel | okay |
| 16:43.30 | kergoth | theres no policy guiding it |
| 16:43.49 | yeiazel | there should be :) |
| 16:43.56 | kergoth | indeed |
| 16:45.15 | yeiazel | tell me more about the buildsystem... what will I be able to do; what would buildroot do ? (do you have an url of a documentation ?) |
| 16:45.38 | kergoth | you pick and choose what apps you want it to build with menuconfig |
| 16:45.54 | kergoth | it downloads upstream sources, patches them, builds them, packages into ipks, and if you want, builds an initrd.bin to flash with |
| 16:46.08 | kergoth | follows dependencies, so the first things it'll build is the kernel and libc |
| 16:46.20 | yeiazel | ok |
| 16:46.32 | yeiazel | and if I only want to make a single package ? |
| 16:46.41 | kergoth | it always follows dependencies |
| 16:46.58 | kergoth | but once you've built the base packages, you dont have to rebuild everything again |
| 16:47.03 | kergoth | just build package by package at that point |
| 16:47.10 | yeiazel | okay |
| 16:47.21 | kergoth | do be advised the buildroot takes 1-1.5 gigs when all the sources are obtained, extracted, and you've done a full build |
| 16:47.53 | yeiazel | and if I want to be able to download some more packages from feeds ? am I able to contribute to the official feeds, or would it be better to do my own ? |
| 16:48.08 | kergoth | yeiazel: you add a package to the buildsystem, send me the patch, i include it upstream |
| 16:48.14 | kergoth | yeiazel: then when onyx4 updates unstable, it'll be there. |
| 16:48.30 | yeiazel | okay |
| 16:48.50 | yeiazel | is there any check about missing dependencies before including it ? |
| 16:49.03 | kergoth | what do you mean? |
| 16:49.12 | yeiazel | (missing dependencies is only an example) |
| 16:49.21 | kergoth | .. |
| 16:49.24 | yeiazel | if I build a fucked up package |
| 16:49.24 | kergoth | i dont understand the question. |
| 16:49.29 | yeiazel | do you check if ot works or not ? |
| 16:49.30 | kergoth | you arent building a package. |
| 16:49.45 | yeiazel | yeah |
| 16:49.45 | kergoth | you're adding bits to a buildsystem. the buildsystem builds your packages for you |
| 16:49.54 | yeiazel | ok |
| 16:50.00 | kergoth | and it wont compile if you havent set the dependencies as such so it builds the dependent libraries first |
| 16:50.10 | kergoth | but yes, testing occurs.. in the testing branch |
| 16:50.16 | kergoth | thats what a release candidate is for, work out the kinks |
| 16:50.53 | yeiazel | okay |
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| 16:51.50 | CmdrChalupa | does anyone know if it's possible to have a .desktop file execute a shell script that's not in the PATH ? I tried to specify path and filename for the exec value and it didn't seem to work |
| 16:52.11 | yeiazel | but there could be many fucked up packages in unstable then ? I think it should not be used for "normal" usage of the Z, right ? ("normal" like debian sid is "normal" for me : it works...) |
| 16:52.45 | treke | yeiazel: Think of it sort of like debian does things |
| 16:53.21 | yeiazel | treke: but things work well in debian sid. is it the same with oz unstable ? |
| 16:53.21 | kergoth | in general unstable is very stable and solid. |
| 16:53.25 | yeiazel | okay |
| 16:53.26 | JasonNJ | cmdr: dont think so |
| 16:53.30 | kergoth | but it _could_ explode horribly. |
| 16:53.45 | kergoth | it probably wont. but if it does, dont complain :) |
| 16:53.46 | yeiazel | it has, on a friend's z :) |
| 16:53.46 | raceme | i have the same feeling than yeiazel: i was using testing yesterday and i tried to install xmms-e (on root) and konqueror-snapshot-full (on ram) |
| 16:53.51 | yeiazel | oh |
| 16:53.54 | yeiazel | he's there too |
| 16:53.55 | yeiazel | :p |
| 16:54.12 | raceme | xmms-e installed fine but did nothing on launch (4 threads were here but doing nothing) |
| 16:54.17 | yeiazel | what makes packages go from unstable to testing ? |
| 16:54.25 | raceme | and konqueror appeared nowhere in the menu ? |
| 16:54.26 | *** join/#zaurus sjborch (~sborchert@66.124.48.163) |
| 16:54.44 | kergoth | yeiazel: either 1) a critical problem in testing, 2) a security problem, or 3) release of a -rc |
| 16:54.53 | raceme | I tried to upgrade to unstable and then opie didn't start at all (in fact /etc/init/d/opie disappeared) |
| 16:54.55 | kergoth | testing = 3.1rc2 right now |
| 16:55.16 | kergoth | raceme: that was a bug in the opie upgrade path, its fixed now, probably just need onyx4 to update the feed |
| 16:55.25 | kergoth | raceme: the solution is just install opie-taskbar |
| 16:55.25 | *** join/#zaurus prpplague (~JoeBob1@12.148.134.9) |
| 16:55.33 | kergoth | which got inadvertantly removed in the b0rked upgrade path |
| 16:55.43 | raceme | kergoth: i reflashed 4 times since that :( |
| 16:55.46 | kergoth | it probably upgraded your opie-base, but not opie-taskbar |
| 16:55.51 | kergoth | i've told everybody over and over |
| 16:56.01 | kergoth | if you're going to install/upgrade pacckages from a newer branch |
| 16:56.08 | kergoth | you damn well better upgrade all of opie at once |
| 16:56.17 | kergoth | because of the aforementioned intricate interdependencies |
| 16:56.22 | raceme | kergoth: it said something like opie-base has been replaced by opie-common (not sure at all of the packages) which did not contain anymore the /etc/init.d/opie file |
| 16:56.28 | kergoth | yes |
| 16:56.36 | treke | yeiazel: Things generally work well in sid, but they could explode at any time. unstable for oz would be the same |
| 16:56.38 | kergoth | I _know_ what the problem is |
| 16:56.47 | kergoth | I was the one who made the change in the opie packaging. |
| 16:56.55 | kergoth | you upgraded opie-base without upgrading opie-taskbar |
| 16:57.02 | kergoth | the startup script was moved into the correct package |
| 16:57.02 | raceme | ok just reporting :) |
| 16:57.59 | JasonNJ | holy shit am I bored. |
| 16:58.00 | yeiazel | and do things like that happen often ? |
| 16:58.07 | kergoth | yeiazel: ? |
| 16:58.11 | kergoth | they happen when they happen. |
| 16:58.15 | kergoth | how the fuck should i know? |
| 16:58.21 | JasonNJ | I think I'll go watch Alias... |
| 16:58.21 | kergoth | like its intentional? |
| 16:58.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:58.31 | raceme | I couldn't find if konqueror-snapshot-full was not working because it was a testing version or because I installed it on ram ? |
| 16:58.33 | yeiazel | I rarely have problems with sid |
| 16:58.36 | JasonNJ | this unemployment thing is not as cracked up as it is supposed to be |
| 16:58.54 | raceme | yeiazel: sid just fucked my X installation last week :) |
| 16:59.18 | kergoth | when they upgraded to perl 5.8.0 perl wasnt working at all for like a week |
| 16:59.26 | kergoth | shit liek that can happen following bleeding edge |
| 16:59.30 | yeiazel | and I've had opie unable to start twice in 3 days (once maybe because of these testing packages, today; and once only with stable packages...) |
| 16:59.41 | kergoth | upgrade _everything_ |
| 16:59.47 | kergoth | how many times should i say it? |
| 16:59.55 | kergoth | before it sink in? |
| 16:59.57 | yeiazel | I'm upgrading :) |
| 16:59.58 | kergoth | s/sink/sinks/ |
| 17:00.00 | treke | 18 |
| 17:00.09 | chouimat | JasonNJ: working @home is fun, you can work naked if you want ... and the hours are flexible :) |
| 17:00.19 | JasonNJ | I AM working naked |
| 17:00.28 | treke | that is not a pretty picture |
| 17:00.33 | CmdrChalupa | anyone know much about qpe dot-desktop files? |
| 17:00.34 | JasonNJ | I have this whole old torn bathrobe thing going. |
| 17:00.51 | JasonNJ | definitely my idea of corporate attire. |
| 17:01.02 | JasonNJ | pus, the coffee here is WAY better. |
| 17:01.06 | JasonNJ | er plus |
| 17:01.14 | raceme | another question: who is taking care of ipkg ? I found severel things that may be fixed (perhaps by myself or others) |
| 17:01.15 | chouimat | JasonNJ: any cat? |
| 17:01.17 | treke | too bad they dont pay you there |
| 17:01.18 | JasonNJ | dogs. |
| 17:01.22 | sjborch | JasonNJ: that's always been my complaint about work, the coffee. |
| 17:01.36 | JasonNJ | also the food is better here. |
| 17:01.44 | JasonNJ | and you can have sex with your coworkers. |
| 17:02.01 | JasonNJ | you also dont get fired for sexual harassment! |
| 17:02.02 | chouimat | JasonNJ: will do the same. and you can listen to music without wearing earphones |
| 17:02.36 | JasonNJ | also, I can tell all of you to fuck off, and I wont get fired! |
| 17:02.58 | chouimat | but working at home also have problems .... brb must do the laundry |
| 17:03.06 | JasonNJ | yeah that whole laundry thing. |
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| 17:05.03 | raceme | i saw that ipkg complains when it try to remove a packaged needed by other; but it seems that it removes the information concerning the paxkage anyway ? |
| 17:05.38 | kergoth | it shouldnt.. |
| 17:05.45 | kergoth | ipkg status no longer shows it? |
| 17:05.49 | kergoth | ipkg is a big piece of shit |
| 17:05.56 | JasonNJ | yessir |
| 17:06.00 | kergoth | it was a good plan, with a horrid implementation |
| 17:06.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:06.11 | JasonNJ | its a 5000 ton peice of WET shit. |
| 17:06.22 | kergoth | true that |
| 17:06.42 | kergoth | JasonNJ: fyi, spencer sent me locomo docs, in japanese. effy signed an NDA with sharp and will be translating portions of it |
| 17:06.44 | yeiazel | is there / will there be any replacement software for ipkg ? |
| 17:06.52 | kergoth | JasonNJ: so we should be able to port the ipaq mmc driver quite quickly |
| 17:07.42 | raceme | kergoth: but is adpkg just a frontend or another implementation of ipkg (it seems that adpkg has the same 'feature') |
| 17:08.00 | chouimat | kergoth: only portion of it? |
| 17:08.03 | kergoth | aqpkg just runs ipkg. |
| 17:08.13 | treke | yeiazel: Probably just new versions of ipkg |
| 17:08.18 | kergoth | chouimat: not sure what effy is planning to translate |
| 17:08.34 | yeiazel | treke: ok |
| 17:08.52 | treke | it doesnt need to be replaced, it just needs to be fixed |
| 17:09.02 | kergoth | .. |
| 17:09.05 | kergoth | look at the code |
| 17:09.10 | kergoth | it needs to be rewritten. |
| 17:09.32 | kergoth | we need a libipkg with a sane api, for which the ipkg command is just the commandline interface |
| 17:10.08 | yeiazel | how do I do ctrl-C in the oz console ? |
| 17:10.27 | raceme | yeiazel: excellent question :) |
| 17:10.34 | kergoth | calandar key + c |
| 17:10.34 | raceme | yeiazel: i forgot this one :) |
| 17:10.42 | kergoth | thank lineo for the stupid fucking key mapping |
| 17:10.47 | kergoth | ulyx: lart lineo |
| 17:10.51 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:10.54 | yeiazel | kergoth: doesn't work here... |
| 17:10.59 | kergoth | works fine here |
| 17:11.05 | kergoth | but its not reliable |
| 17:11.06 | raceme | kergoth: perhaps this one should be placed in the FAQ :) |
| 17:11.08 | ljp_work | console or konsole |
| 17:11.09 | kergoth | lineo's keyboard driver is crap |
| 17:11.17 | yeiazel | ljp_work: console |
| 17:11.22 | yeiazel | ljp_work: opie is fucked up here :) |
| 17:12.09 | raceme | yeiazel: ahahah you just fucked up opie.. l'incappable ! ;)) </désolé> |
| 17:12.16 | yeiazel | kergoth: upgrading from stable to testing is the same than installing the oz3.1 image, right ? |
| 17:12.36 | chouimat | ulyx: lart raceme for using french |
| 17:12.55 | yeiazel | FRENCH IS GREAT ! |
| 17:12.56 | yeiazel | :) |
| 17:13.08 | kergoth | yeiazel: other than the kernel, yes |
| 17:13.10 | chouimat | yeiazel: pas vraiment ... |
| 17:13.22 | kergoth | yeiazel: the kernel in rc2 has sane battery status, an actual % |
| 17:13.33 | yeiazel | kergoth: and for sd ? |
| 17:13.57 | kergoth | yeiazel: what about it? |
| 17:14.13 | kergoth | i dont get where people get this idea that sd support is gone. |
| 17:14.17 | kergoth | read the fucking news page. |
| 17:14.18 | raceme | ulyx: you've got a problem with saddam and anal sex ? Please lie on the couch and explain us :) |
| 17:14.27 | kergoth | the sd issues are _only_ about the new kernel 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1 |
| 17:14.33 | kergoth | which we are _not_ using in any 3.1 rc |
| 17:14.39 | yeiazel | oh |
| 17:14.42 | kergoth | nor will we be using it in 3.1 final |
| 17:14.46 | kergoth | _read_, then speak |
| 17:14.59 | yeiazel | I haven't read it anywhere |
| 17:15.07 | kergoth | obviously. |
| 17:15.07 | chouimat | ulyx: lart peoples |
| 17:15.25 | yeiazel | errmmm |
| 17:15.26 | kergoth | openzaurus.org's news page is quite clear regarding the status of things. |
| 17:15.28 | kergoth | raceme: no. |
| 17:15.39 | kergoth | raceme: I even dropped in a compatibility layer module |
| 17:15.44 | kergoth | raceme: cant be done easily |
| 17:16.00 | raceme | it would be to easy :( |
| 17:16.03 | kergoth | raceme: i fixed the problems that involved function calls, but one of hte functions in the sd driver accesses a global array in the kernel, whose structure has changed. |
| 17:16.17 | supermatt | compatability with french? cant be done ;) |
| 17:16.20 | kergoth | raceme: it can only be fixed via disassembly and alteration or reimplementation of the function in question |
| 17:17.17 | raceme | which can be made in some country... but is the final work usable everywhere or only in countries allowing reverse engineering ? |
| 17:17.55 | kergoth | the final _binary_ should be usable elsewhere |
| 17:18.54 | chouimat | 6789b |
| 17:19.26 | *** join/#zaurus lariosZZ (~larios@pooladsl-c-3-18.ipcom.comunitel.net) |
| 17:19.26 | raceme | so i could do it... if i was able :( |
| 17:19.45 | lariosZZ | hi |
| 17:20.30 | raceme | hi lariosZZ |
| 17:20.36 | CmdrChalupa | anyone know anything about .desktop files on the default zaurus rom or know where I can get any documentation on them |
| 17:21.49 | lariosZZ | some body knows where can i download programs for the ZAURUS |
| 17:22.20 | kergoth | SOMEWHERE |
| 17:23.10 | kergoth | lariosZZ: http://killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 17:23.13 | kergoth | lariosZZ: zaurus.com |
| 17:23.16 | kergoth | lariosZZ: zauruszone.com |
| 17:23.49 | lariosZZ | kergoth... in killefiz want sell me it |
| 17:23.53 | kergoth | huh? |
| 17:23.56 | kergoth | you're full of shit |
| 17:24.18 | CmdrChalupa | lariosZZ: Yes, some of the programs there are commercial |
| 17:24.36 | kergoth | and 90% arent |
| 17:24.54 | lariosZZ | Sorry, my inglish is bad |
| 17:25.22 | lariosZZ | yes.... i locking for a page similar than MrTazi |
| 17:25.24 | CmdrChalupa | lariosZZ: Some programs there are for sale, most programs are free |
| 17:25.45 | lariosZZ | yes, i wont something to see DIVX |
| 17:26.14 | CmdrChalupa | lariosZZ: on killefiz there is a program called mplayer for download |
| 17:26.20 | kergoth | so get xmms-e/mplayer or opieplayer2 |
| 17:26.23 | kergoth | either one wil do the job |
| 17:26.37 | lariosZZ | xmms-e ??? |
| 17:26.41 | chouimat | mon english est not tres good |
| 17:26.54 | kergoth | xmms-e=xmms-embedded |
| 17:27.13 | kergoth | mplayer is commandline, xmms-e is a gui that uses mplayer |
| 17:27.42 | lariosZZ | what do yo thing is better ???? OpenZaurus o OriginalZaurusRom |
| 17:27.43 | lariosZZ | ??? |
| 17:28.03 | kergoth | OpenZaurus, but i'm a bit biased |
| 17:28.13 | CmdrChalupa | lariosZZ: kergoth is an openzaurus developer |
| 17:28.19 | chouimat | kergoth: and we don't no why :) |
| 17:28.28 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: maintainer, actually |
| 17:28.53 | CmdrChalupa | lariosZZ: a few months ago, I would've said the original zaurus rom was better...As of last night, openzaurus is better by far |
| 17:29.09 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: maintainer, excuse me |
| 17:29.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:29.29 | lariosZZ | oki |
| 17:29.29 | lariosZZ | :) |
| 17:29.32 | lariosZZ | jejeje |
| 17:30.13 | lariosZZ | oki |
| 17:30.18 | lariosZZ | so... im flashing now |
| 17:30.20 | lariosZZ | jejeje |
| 17:30.34 | lariosZZ | openzaurus installing.... |
| 17:30.45 | JasonNJ | jejeje.. thats castillian for hahahahah |
| 17:30.59 | lariosZZ | yes, so im spanish |
| 17:31.08 | JasonNJ | larios: madrilleno? |
| 17:31.12 | lariosZZ | jejeje |
| 17:31.14 | lariosZZ | sip |
| 17:31.24 | lariosZZ | españo y vivo en madrid |
| 17:31.38 | chouimat | CmdrChalupa: try www.kde.org |
| 17:31.44 | lariosZZ | ii live in madrid but im form andalusia (RONDA) |
| 17:31.44 | JasonNJ | cool. I didnt know they sold el Zauro in spain. |
| 17:32.10 | lariosZZ | now it is sell by parensa |
| 17:32.17 | lariosZZ | but for 700 euros |
| 17:32.20 | JasonNJ | wow |
| 17:32.27 | supermatt | CmdrChalupa: bit about it here : http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ipkg_howto.shtml |
| 17:32.30 | lariosZZ | y buy my zaurus in france 380 euros |
| 17:32.47 | JasonNJ | larios I think OZ has better spanish support. |
| 17:33.04 | kergoth | yes it does, opie has support for 14 languages atm |
| 17:33.11 | CmdrChalupa | supermatt: thanks |
| 17:33.15 | supermatt | np |
| 17:33.16 | lariosZZ | ¿?¿? |
| 17:33.19 | lariosZZ | yes?????? |
| 17:33.25 | lariosZZ | opie in spanish???? |
| 17:33.28 | JasonNJ | si, es mas grande. |
| 17:33.42 | lariosZZ | de donde lo puedo sacar? |
| 17:33.46 | JasonNJ | you need to download the language support. |
| 17:33.48 | lariosZZ | how can i install it? |
| 17:33.54 | JasonNJ | its an IPK |
| 17:34.06 | *** join/#zaurus XavierXeon (~mr_x@pD9E1E619.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:34.11 | JasonNJ | xavier has it |
| 17:34.16 | kergoth | the i18n packages are in the openzaurus feeds |
| 17:34.18 | JasonNJ | xavier: you are from spain right |
| 17:34.18 | kergoth | hey XavierXeon |
| 17:34.19 | XavierXeon | hello |
| 17:34.26 | XavierXeon | no germany |
| 17:34.28 | lariosZZ | hi |
| 17:34.31 | treke | opie is 87% translated into spanish |
| 17:34.33 | lariosZZ | ups |
| 17:34.38 | lariosZZ | oki |
| 17:34.56 | lariosZZ | some cuestions, i have my zaurus whithz a ethernet card |
| 17:35.01 | treke | hehe, as of that count spanish was better supported than german :) |
| 17:35.01 | kergoth | plus with opie, you could contribute to complete the translation :) |
| 17:35.17 | lariosZZ | i going to := |
| 17:35.19 | lariosZZ | ) |
| 17:35.25 | XavierXeon | i dont even use the german translation :) |
| 17:35.26 | lariosZZ | how can i do it? |
| 17:35.30 | JasonNJ | yeah spanish is a very important one |
| 17:35.39 | treke | hmmm, japanese was at 0% |
| 17:35.47 | lariosZZ | say to me JasonNJ |
| 17:35.47 | kergoth | lariosZZ: email the opie mailing list saying you want to contribute to the spanish translation |
| 17:35.47 | lariosZZ | jejeje |
| 17:35.48 | chouimat | how is the opie french translation? |
| 17:35.59 | kergoth | treke: hmm, thats not good, we want the a300/b500/c700 market too :) |
| 17:36.11 | chouimat | kergoth: ask effy |
| 17:36.22 | kergoth | chouimat: i was thinking that.. ;) |
| 17:36.47 | treke | chouimat: 49% |
| 17:36.56 | treke | er 40 |
| 17:36.58 | lariosZZ | can i download the spanish version of opie now ??? |
| 17:37.20 | JasonNJ | its an i18 file isnt it |
| 17:37.31 | treke | yup |
| 17:37.38 | JasonNJ | treke: where is it located? |
| 17:37.47 | JasonNJ | we should keep those on the OZ site shouldnt we? |
| 17:37.49 | kergoth | its in the feeds. |
| 17:37.50 | kergoth | it is. |
| 17:37.52 | treke | opie-i18n-es, probably |
| 17:37.56 | kergoth | all the i18n packages are in the feeds. |
| 17:38.18 | lariosZZ | .... i installed the 3.0 version of OZ???? its good or is better install the testing version???? |
| 17:38.25 | JasonNJ | testing |
| 17:38.37 | JasonNJ | 3.0 is really buggy |
| 17:38.39 | lariosZZ | oki... so.... flash again... |
| 17:38.39 | lariosZZ | jejeje |
| 17:38.40 | kergoth | definately use testing |
| 17:38.42 | raceme | lariosZZ: you can have it for 382 euros at www.expansys.fr : |
| 17:38.47 | kergoth | thankfully 3.1 will be releasing pretty soon here |
| 17:39.00 | lariosZZ | yes raceme i bought here |
| 17:39.04 | kergoth | speaking of which, onyx4 added the samba server packaging, i'll pull in the smb.conf |
| 17:39.11 | kergoth | so rc3 is nearly ready to roll |
| 17:39.11 | treke | sweet |
| 17:39.21 | raceme | lariosZZ: great |
| 17:39.26 | JasonNJ | rc3 is the new kernel? |
| 17:39.29 | lariosZZ | thx |
| 17:39.30 | kergoth | no |
| 17:39.43 | kergoth | 3.1 is going to release with 2.4.6, as it says on the openzaurus.org news page |
| 17:39.49 | JasonNJ | ah ok |
| 17:39.56 | JasonNJ | so 3.2 pre is going to be the new one then |
| 17:39.57 | kergoth | 2.4.19 needs more testing, plus the sd situation |
| 17:40.14 | kergoth | raceme: you feel correctly |
| 17:40.20 | kergoth | ibot: emulate kergoth |
| 17:40.20 | | ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM. |
| 17:40.33 | raceme | :) |
| 17:40.37 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:40.38 | kergoth | ibot: TFM |
| 17:40.39 | | rumour has it, tfm is The Fine Product Documentation |
| 17:40.43 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:41.02 | XavierXeon | M like "product Documentaion" ? |
| 17:41.27 | lariosZZ | ok, so to view DIVX... i mount my HD by nfs |
| 17:41.39 | lariosZZ | and install whats packages ????? |
| 17:41.45 | kergoth | XavierXeon: hehe, apparently |
| 17:41.49 | kergoth | lariosZZ: we already told you. |
| 17:41.54 | kergoth | lariosZZ: mplayer+xmms-e or opieplayer2 |
| 17:42.37 | lariosZZ | ups, one problem more |
| 17:42.55 | lariosZZ | help me, i have a zaurus 5500 whith a CF 256 mb |
| 17:43.05 | lariosZZ | whats image i have to download???? |
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| 17:43.14 | kergoth | lariosZZ: read. |
| 17:43.23 | kergoth | *ahem* |
| 17:43.24 | raceme | lariosZZ: 40/24 is the default choice as written on the page |
| 17:43.24 | kergoth | RTFM |
| 17:43.28 | lariosZZ | zImage-5500-64memory-0storage.bin ? |
| 17:43.31 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:43.35 | kergoth | if thats what you want. |
| 17:43.38 | lariosZZ | ups, thaks raceme |
| 17:43.41 | kergoth | its your decision, not mine. |
| 17:43.43 | kergoth | read the page. |
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| 17:44.27 | JasonNJ | larios: ese nessesita SD card. |
| 17:44.28 | lariosZZ | yes, but my inglish is no good |
| 17:44.55 | lariosZZ | JasonNJ: No se las diferencias entre las versiones |
| 17:45.18 | raceme | lariosZZ: i can explain to you in french if you want :) |
| 17:45.23 | JasonNJ | larios: el ratio de RAM a storage. |
| 17:45.32 | lariosZZ | jejeje |
| 17:45.37 | lariosZZ | mas dejao igual JasonNJ |
| 17:45.54 | JasonNJ | para egual necesitas el 32-32 |
| 17:46.04 | JasonNJ | para mi prefiero el 48-24 |
| 17:46.30 | raceme | JasonNJ: 48/16 ? |
| 17:46.34 | lariosZZ | toces cual bajo?¿?¿?¿??? no se |
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| 17:47.01 | JasonNJ | usa el 32-32, es egual al sharp versio. |
| 17:47.01 | warmi | re |
| 17:47.08 | lariosZZ | oki |
| 17:47.36 | JasonNJ | pero cuando haces el proceso de flash, necesitas renombrer la fila a "zimage" |
| 17:47.58 | JasonNJ | man I knew my spanish would come in handy someday. |
| 17:48.19 | supermatt | zImage? |
| 17:48.24 | XavierXeon | supermatt: looks veery safe to me |
| 17:48.28 | lariosZZ | jejeje |
| 17:48.38 | supermatt | XavierXeon: indeed :) |
| 17:48.47 | JasonNJ | zimage o zImage, no importa |
| 17:48.55 | lariosZZ | ooki |
| 17:48.59 | supermatt | ah |
| 17:49.00 | JasonNJ | es un sistema de DOS |
| 17:49.04 | JasonNJ | en el flashcard |
| 17:49.39 | JasonNJ | esta bien? |
| 17:49.57 | lariosZZ | oki |
| 17:50.07 | JasonNJ | para el flashcard necesita zimage, initrd.bin y bootflag.txt |
| 17:50.10 | JasonNJ | 3 filas |
| 17:50.40 | lariosZZ | bootflag.txt ??? ese no lo tengo |
| 17:50.48 | JasonNJ | esta en el sitio |
| 17:51.40 | lariosZZ | oki thx |
| 17:51.52 | lariosZZ | JasonNJ: no se enfadaran por q hablemos en español? |
| 17:52.08 | JasonNJ | ok, perlow@hotmail.com |
| 17:52.22 | lariosZZ | or query better ? |
| 17:52.27 | JasonNJ | bootflag.txt tiene un linea solamente |
| 17:52.54 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 17:53.01 | sjborch | ah, synchronizing... thanks, kergoth! |
| 17:53.27 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: know spanish eh? |
| 17:53.52 | JasonNJ | neo, yeah. |
| 17:54.15 | JasonNJ | at one time in my life I was a latin american studies double major in spanish |
| 17:54.26 | Neo|Work | gesh |
| 17:54.29 | Neo|Work | :( |
| 17:54.31 | Neo|Work | oops |
| 17:54.32 | Neo|Work | :) even |
| 17:54.43 | JasonNJ | Neo: I should have fucking stayed that way |
| 17:55.24 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: computer angst? :P |
| 17:55.30 | raceme | sjborch: what are you synchronizing ? |
| 17:55.46 | sjborch | openzaurus to my win2k desktop with intellisync. |
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| 17:56.11 | raceme | sjborch: ah... win 2k... |
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| 17:56.27 | raceme | is there something in debian able to sync with the zaurus ? |
| 17:56.33 | JasonNJ | neo: actually I worked in Venezuela for a summer on a contract, it was useful |
| 17:56.50 | JasonNJ | I'm hoping when castro dies I can start a big systems integration company in havana |
| 17:57.00 | warmi | NeoWork: When I was talking about lack of "stylus pressed" effect I must have messed up something - even my code gets slowed down significantly with heavy stylus use |
| 17:57.05 | chouimat | JasonNJ: hehe |
| 17:57.09 | JasonNJ | and I can buy myself a big ass house on the beach, sip cuban rum and smoke cohibas |
| 17:57.13 | JasonNJ | like a gangster |
| 17:57.20 | sjborch | raceme I wish I knew enough to get it to work. I'm closer to that. |
| 17:57.22 | chouimat | JasonNJ: tsk tsk tsk |
| 17:57.25 | Neo|Work | warmi: told ya. :P |
| 17:57.34 | CmdrChalupa | supermatt: do you know if the exec variable of those desktop links look in the PATH only? |
| 17:57.50 | Neo|Work | I don't think I'd ever want to move to cuba. NZ might be nice thogh. :P |
| 17:57.53 | warmi | Neo|Work : anyway, I got my animation demo + comparison ( the same demo) with standard Qtopia Qpixmaps and SDL |
| 17:58.04 | JasonNJ | Neo: cuba is NICE |
| 17:58.13 | JasonNJ | canadians go there all the time for vacation |
| 17:58.16 | JasonNJ | and its CHEAP |
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| 17:58.24 | warmi | you can check it out at http://www.warmi.net/tmp/blittest.tar.gz |
| 17:58.32 | chouimat | JasonNJ: yup viva CANADA :) |
| 17:58.36 | warmi | 500 spirtes - 30 frames per second - scrolling background |
| 17:59.09 | JasonNJ | neo: you can live like a king thre for like 25 bucks a day |
| 17:59.12 | JasonNJ | I am not joking |
| 17:59.19 | Neo|Work | oh, I believe you |
| 17:59.39 | warmi | hehe .. I know - but I was surprised how slow default SDL blitting code is |
| 17:59.45 | warmi | my guess is like 3 times slower |
| 17:59.48 | Neo|Work | still wouldn't want to live there. :P |
| 17:59.57 | warmi | (I am not talking about rotating blit) just their standard C blits |
| 18:00.00 | Neo|Work | warmi: I commented JasonNJ but. :P |
| 18:00.03 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 18:00.25 | Neo|Work | warmi: but it'd be nice if your blits could become part of SDL ARM |
| 18:00.43 | Neo|Work | I assume you do run with 16 bpp and all that? |
| 18:00.51 | Neo|Work | in SDL that is |
| 18:00.58 | warmi | yeah, it is pretty much drop-replacement |
| 18:01.10 | warmi | but I will try to make it work with SDL later on |
| 18:01.14 | warmi | after everything is ready |
| 18:01.44 | warmi | <JasonNJ> Russia used to be the same way |
| 18:01.51 | chouimat | ulyx fortune bofh-excuses |
| 18:01.51 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #73: Daemons did it |
| 18:02.01 | warmi | I spent 2 weeks living like a king for around $200 or so |
| 18:02.17 | Neo|Work | quite a few places are "cheap" |
| 18:02.50 | Neo|Work | but I wouldn't want to live in a place which isn't of "western" quality when it comes to other crap |
| 18:02.58 | warmi | well, in Europe things are moving the other way .. |
| 18:03.05 | Neo|Work | plus, naturally, I wouldn't want to live in a non-English or non-Swedish country either. :P |
| 18:03.09 | chouimat | europe is expensive |
| 18:03.31 | warmi | most of the former Eastern Block countries are these days just as expensive as the west |
| 18:03.36 | Neo|Work | sure |
| 18:04.00 | chouimat | ulyx fortune bofh-excuses |
| 18:04.01 | Neo|Work | but even so, if you had US level income (not counting the taxes), you'd live pretty nice there as well |
| 18:04.01 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #371: Incorrectly configured static routes on the corerouters. |
| 18:05.14 | warmi | well, US is even cheaper ;-) |
| 18:05.16 | warmi | a lot cheaper |
| 18:05.21 | JasonNJ | ulyx lart Neo|work |
| 18:05.36 | warmi | which , combined with overall higher wages, makes it a much better place to live |
| 18:05.42 | Neo|Work | warmi: depends on what you mean, and where you are |
| 18:06.00 | warmi | pretty much across the board |
| 18:06.10 | Neo|Work | our house for example costs like $270k. In sweden you'd get A LOT more house for that price |
| 18:06.10 | warmi | well, perhaps not when you are unemployed .. |
| 18:06.11 | warmi | heh |
| 18:06.47 | warmi | well, yeah- it has to be for their salaries are much lower |
| 18:07.04 | warmi | on the other hand , stuff like cars, electronics etc ... this ends up being much cheaper in US |
| 18:09.55 | warmi | ping mark |
| 18:18.10 | Mewyn | ugh |
| 18:18.20 | Mewyn | i'm glad that weekend is over. |
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| 18:19.12 | raceme | time to get home... bye |
| 18:21.00 | mark | pong warmi |
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| 18:23.44 | warmi | mark: did you do Repton using SDL ? |
| 18:26.32 | Mewyn | damn. i hate monster. why can't i just upload my resume |
| 18:28.48 | chouimat|busy | Mewyn: because |
| 18:29.32 | mark | warmi: not for graphics, just for audio |
| 18:30.15 | warmi | did it work fine for you ? |
| 18:30.24 | warmi | I wonder if it is better than mikmod .. |
| 18:30.38 | warmi | mikmod works but the quality of wave mixing is not very good |
| 18:30.44 | mark | warmi: yes, worked well, once i worked out a decent buffer size. |
| 18:30.45 | warmi | it is very good for mods though |
| 18:31.43 | warmi | how did you handle Zaurus framebuffer rotation ? |
| 18:32.01 | warmi | using your own blitter or they already had one for this particular rotation ? |
| 18:34.23 | mark | warmi: they had a generic system for any (90 degree) rotation |
| 18:34.41 | warmi | ah ok |
| 18:35.12 | mark | warmi: its not blazingly fast probably, but works well enoug |
| 18:35.35 | chouimat|busy | http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sc10.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01Xmingwin |
| 18:35.51 | warmi | yeah, the game is more than fast enough |
| 18:36.38 | mark | warmi: what level are you on? |
| 18:37.40 | warmi | I think I got to the second level |
| 18:37.54 | warmi | but I haven't played it since like 2 weeks ago |
| 18:38.11 | warmi | btw .. I have seen original authors posting on the pocketmatrix forum |
| 18:38.32 | mark | warmi: yeh, they mentioned that form to me |
| 18:38.38 | mark | forum* |
| 18:39.24 | warmi | some of them are pretty good ( or seem to be ) |
| 18:40.03 | warmi | but on the other hand , the 2 leading game programming libs for CE are rather slow ( unoptimized despite their claims to the contrary ) |
| 18:41.38 | mark | warmi: whats happening with that lib you were helping port? |
| 18:41.57 | warmi | I did port most of it |
| 18:42.10 | warmi | actually on the zaurus is like 4 times faster - believe it or not |
| 18:43.05 | chouimat|busy | warmi: which lib? |
| 18:43.11 | warmi | the original on the same hardware ( ipaq 200 mhz etc ,) was getting 120 sprites on the screen running at 30 fps |
| 18:43.25 | warmi | I got 500 running at 30 fps on the zaurus using asm |
| 18:43.27 | warmi | gapidraw |
| 18:43.58 | warmi | http://www.gapidraw.com/ |
| 18:44.05 | warmi | I used that lib to port Puzz-le to ppc |
| 18:52.27 | mark | warmi: wow, thats a lot quicker :) |
| 18:52.33 | mark | warmi: hardware or your superior coding? |
| 18:53.52 | warmi | well, I don't know - my zaurus has the same specs as my ipaq but you never know |
| 18:54.00 | warmi | perhaps memory timings are different - beats me |
| 18:54.34 | warmi | anyway - it runs 15 times faster than the same code using QPixmaps and Qpainter::drawPixmap and 3 times faster than SDL on zaurus |
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| 18:56.50 | mark_ | grr, X has decided to stop responding to my keyboard |
| 18:57.50 | warmi | mark_: you can check out the demo of that library at http://www.warmi.net/tmp/blittest.tar.gz |
| 18:58.02 | warmi | it has 3 versions for comparison - SDL, pure QTE, and my asm |
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| 18:58.25 | Mewyn | warmi: you haven't happened to hear anything? |
| 18:58.27 | warmi | I am done with basic sprites and blitting .. |
| 18:58.39 | warmi | now I will be going into advanced stuff like alpha etc .. |
| 18:58.57 | warmi | Mewyn : noting yet |
| 18:59.22 | Mewyn | foo |
| 18:59.51 | Neo|Work | warmi: one thing with for example Sweden is that you get more as well. Such as better healthcare. |
| 19:00.12 | Neo|Work | meaning, you don't have to pay a fortune to get decent healthcare and you know you'll always have the same as everyone else |
| 19:00.18 | Neo|Work | Same as in Canada I guess |
| 19:00.42 | warmi | well, that's very subjective - you are better off if you are uneployed but US health care system is much better if you have a good insurace |
| 19:00.47 | warmi | insurance even |
| 19:01.15 | warmi | but that's not the issue - my main problem is that you don't have a choice |
| 19:01.38 | CmdrChalupa | okay, I know this isn't the most secure thing in the world, but does anyone know if there's a way I could stick an SD card with a shell script and a desktop link pointing to it on it and click the link and have it run? |
| 19:01.39 | warmi | even if you are 20 years old and healthy like a horse - you still have to pay for what you are not using at all |
| 19:01.42 | CmdrChalupa | on a stock zaurus |
| 19:02.05 | warmi | yeah, I think so |
| 19:02.27 | warmi | you mean like have an icon which is really a script sitting on SD card ? |
| 19:02.33 | Neo|Work | warmi: problem is good insurance is expensive, especially if you're older |
| 19:02.49 | Neo|Work | and a large number of people here have NO insurance and thus gets sucky healthcare at bes |
| 19:03.08 | Neo|Work | not to mention the whole HMO thing |
| 19:03.27 | warmi | Neo|Work : well I still prefer US way of handling this issue |
| 19:03.41 | Neo|Work | I don't to be honest. Have had manu issues with it |
| 19:03.43 | CmdrChalupa | warmi: yeah...just an icon to run a script |
| 19:03.51 | Neo|Work | well, when I was self-employed that is |
| 19:03.57 | warmi | in Sweden is just as expensive ( considering that you are paying almost 2x in taxes) and you don't have a choice |
| 19:04.03 | Neo|Work | as a RNWK employee I have good insurace (Although it's getting worse) |
| 19:04.04 | Mewyn | neo: well, you can still get hospital care, you may just have to declare bankrupcy afterwards |
| 19:04.12 | warmi | Neo|Work me too : I had to pay 10 K for hospital stay |
| 19:04.17 | warmi | but I have learned since then |
| 19:04.21 | Neo|Work | Mewyn: "just"... |
| 19:04.37 | Mewyn | plus, hospitals usually deal with the patient if they can't pay. they will reduce fees and discount stuff so they can get some money |
| 19:04.37 | Neo|Work | I _HAD_ insurance, just was hard to find it |
| 19:04.42 | warmi | CmdrChalupa: yeah, I did that with my NFDB app - |
| 19:05.02 | warmi | it doesn't point to the executable itself but to the script which does some stuff before running executable |
| 19:05.04 | Neo|Work | Mewyn: that's another fucked up thing. Look on a insurance/bill statement and see how much you'd pay w/o insurance |
| 19:05.09 | Neo|Work | it's usually 2-5 times as much |
| 19:05.33 | Neo|Work | like w/o: 3000k, with: Sale price of 1200 |
| 19:05.36 | Neo|Work | it's amazing |
| 19:05.49 | CmdrChalupa | warmi: ok...how? |
| 19:05.55 | Mewyn | neo: no, the rates are the same. i know people who work in health care and the billing, you may have been reading the bill wrong |
| 19:06.03 | Neo|Work | warmi: that said, I do think that taxes are way too high in sweden, especially if you have a good income |
| 19:06.17 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah, in goverment run health care system - stuff is cheaper but you end up waiting months for procedures that are available in US on the next day |
| 19:06.20 | Neo|Work | it's a double-edged sword |
| 19:06.42 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, perhaps, but certainly not always. |
| 19:06.53 | treke | what is the usual tax rate in sweden? |
| 19:06.54 | warmi | Neo|Work : yeah , but for me the winner is the fact that I am given a choice - a very importand thing to me |
| 19:07.20 | warmi | I would be paying around 50% with my salary |
| 19:07.23 | warmi | perhaps even more |
| 19:07.34 | Neo|Work | that said, my insurance has definitely been worth it - the total costs for my kids, including my wife staying in the hopsital for weeks before their birth, was like 150-200k or something alonmg those lines |
| 19:07.53 | Neo|Work | and we had to pay nothing I think (we had no |
| 19:08.01 | Neo|Work | percentage payment then, only a yearly deductible) |
| 19:08.47 | CmdrChalupa | warmi: and the icon didn't pop up until you threw the sd card in and everything? |
| 19:09.02 | warmi | CmdrChalupa: no, icon was there all the time |
| 19:09.09 | mark | should default arguments go in the .h or .cpp file? |
| 19:09.12 | warmi | but it wouldn't run if you were to click on it |
| 19:09.15 | Neo|Work | actually, often the ICON isn't there, but the app is there.. |
| 19:09.55 | warmi | CmdrChalupa; basically, what you have is a Qtopia dir in main memory which contains icons and points to the script in main memory |
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| 19:10.19 | warmi | and that script is a soft link to a real thing located on SD |
| 19:10.33 | warmi | so when SD is present, stuff works as expected - otherwise you get dead link |
| 19:10.40 | warmi | but this is how PocketPC works as well |
| 19:11.01 | warmi | so I think it is sensible behaviour |
| 19:11.19 | kergoth | why use a script? |
| 19:11.24 | kergoth | ipkg already handles installs to sd |
| 19:11.49 | Mewyn | kerg: do you still have to do the linking stuff? |
| 19:11.53 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: if you have time or when you will have some check armphetamine cvs code |
| 19:12.01 | CmdrChalupa | warmi: So there is no way to have an icon only there when the SD is present....even if you say, stuck the sd card in and restarted qtopia |
| 19:12.41 | warmi | CmdrChalupa : I don't think there is |
| 19:13.00 | CmdrChalupa | Reason I want this is I want a script to do the install, as the ipkg application that comes with the standard zaurus is a pain in the butt |
| 19:13.19 | Neo|Work | does anyone know of a user-level port forwarding daemon? |
| 19:13.22 | warmi | I guess, you could do that with making .desktop entry and the icon image itself be a softlink to a real thing on SD |
| 19:13.26 | warmi | perhaps that would work |
| 19:13.36 | Neo|Work | my gateway, which runs debian on sparc with a 2.2 kernel, doesn't have kernel-level portfw |
| 19:14.09 | warmi | that's called proxy Neo :-) |
| 19:14.20 | warmi | I think any generic proxy will do that |
| 19:14.24 | kergoth | Mewyn: obviously. without unionfs theres no other option |
| 19:14.31 | kergoth | Mewyn: normally the gui does it, or ipkg-link will |
| 19:15.32 | warmi | CmdrChalupa : you know how this entire system with icons and .desktop entries works , right ? |
| 19:15.33 | CmdrChalupa | so you can't have a .desktop entry anywhere but in /opt/QtPalmtop/apps ? |
| 19:15.49 | warmi | CmdrChalupa yeah, because that's the only place Qtopia looks for it |
| 19:16.02 | warmi | at least, as far as I know .. |
| 19:17.38 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, no, not really. a proxy usually knows of the protocol it proxies. it's mot of a tunnel |
| 19:17.44 | CmdrChalupa | okay, then how about changing the mime-type for .ipkg files |
| 19:18.10 | Neo|Work | I can do it using inetd + tcpconnect for example |
| 19:18.10 | CmdrChalupa | so that it would run ipkg instead of the gui thing |
| 19:18.12 | Neo|Work | it's not hard |
| 19:18.19 | Neo|Work | just wondering if there was some lightweight app to do it |
| 19:18.37 | warmi | Neo|Work I think there are apps that will do simply forwarding ( basically forwards whatever comes in/out ) |
| 19:18.48 | Neo|Work | right |
| 19:18.50 | warmi | I think I once used a perl app for that ( for doing irc forwarding) |
| 19:18.52 | Neo|Work | I'm sure there is |
| 19:19.07 | warmi | I would look for it on freshmeat |
| 19:19.16 | Neo|Work | I want to avoid using an interpreted solution because they tend to use more memory and cpu - the box is not fast. :P |
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| 19:20.38 | warmi | then look for something in Java :-) |
| 19:20.58 | warmi | I guess that would be fast enough since most of the time it would sit in system calls anyway |
| 19:20.58 | Neo|Work | http://freshmeat.net/projects/iprelay/?topic_id=151%2C907%2C861 |
| 19:21.00 | Neo|Work | that one perhaps |
| 19:21.13 | Neo|Work | warmi: java == not low on memory usage |
| 19:21.15 | Neo|Work | trust me. :P |
| 19:21.16 | warmi | yeah, sounds like a winer |
| 19:21.29 | Neo|Work | C, no dependencies, userspace. :) |
| 19:21.33 | warmi | yeah, I know - but these days most of stuff like that is written in java |
| 19:21.46 | warmi | at least it seems that way ( looking for apps on the net etc ) |
| 19:21.47 | Neo|Work | and it has a .dev |
| 19:21.49 | Neo|Work | .deb even |
| 19:22.24 | warmi | you are running nat on that gateway ? |
| 19:23.07 | warmi | let me guess, and you want to play some games on one of private network machines :-) |
| 19:23.34 | Neo|Work | no, but other stuff |
| 19:23.44 | Neo|Work | like allowing incoming HTTP and the like |
| 19:24.01 | warmi | well, proxy like that will work but it will be clumsy .. |
| 19:24.06 | Neo|Work | or perhaps ssh directly to an internal box and such |
| 19:24.15 | warmi | I think it would be better to upgrade kernel and go with the real thing |
| 19:24.17 | Neo|Work | it will do exactly what I want. port forwarding. :) |
| 19:24.22 | Neo|Work | I can't really |
| 19:24.28 | Neo|Work | there's no 2.4 kernel |
| 19:24.47 | Neo|Work | and I don't want to build my own 2.2 kernel to get ip forwarding (not sure why it isn't there ) |
| 19:24.47 | warmi | well, 2.2 has its own way of doing this |
| 19:24.53 | warmi | I forgot what it was |
| 19:24.55 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:25.03 | kergoth | hrm |
| 19:25.08 | Neo|Work | I know it does, but the module is missing and I'm NOT building a kernel on this old box |
| 19:25.14 | warmi | hehehe |
| 19:25.26 | Neo|Work | this is nothing performance critical really |
| 19:25.28 | yeiazel | what do you mean by "old box" ? :) |
| 19:25.29 | warmi | well, your choice then |
| 19:25.34 | kergoth | ? crosscompile it. |
| 19:25.52 | warmi | I am using an old 300 MHZ Athlon as my www.warmi.net server and nat,mail, ftp box |
| 19:25.54 | warmi | works great |
| 19:26.02 | Neo|Work | that box is way faster than this. :P |
| 19:26.04 | yeiazel | "old" 300 MHz athlon ? :)) |
| 19:26.11 | kergoth | Neo|Work: just crosscompile it |
| 19:26.14 | Neo|Work | SPARCStation LX with 32 MB of memory |
| 19:26.14 | yeiazel | Neo|Work: but *what* is your box ? :) |
| 19:26.18 | yeiazel | oooooh |
| 19:26.20 | Neo|Work | kergoth: trust me, this app will work fine |
| 19:26.21 | yeiazel | yeah... :)) |
| 19:26.25 | warmi | well, compared to my desktop ( which itself is kind of old - 1 GHZ) it is old |
| 19:26.39 | Neo|Work | it is a S L O W box |
| 19:26.42 | yeiazel | my firewall is a p133 with 16 megs o'ram |
| 19:26.43 | Neo|Work | my slowest box actually |
| 19:26.51 | Neo|Work | but it happened to come with two nics, so it makes a good gateway |
| 19:26.52 | yeiazel | my webserver, p133 with 64 megs |
| 19:26.59 | yeiazel | Neo|Work: sure |
| 19:27.06 | Neo|Work | yeiazel: cpu-wise, those are faster. :P |
| 19:27.20 | Neo|Work | that said, it is annoying no one is maintaining the 2.4 or newer kernels for older sparcs |
| 19:27.36 | kergoth | grr |
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| 19:30.12 | Neo|Work | heh. iprelay also has bandwith shaping |
| 19:32.25 | frankps | anyone here that has had problems with installing the tkc apps? |
| 19:33.01 | Neo|Work | it seems to work great actually |
| 19:33.02 | warmi | installing to SD/CF or just main memory ? |
| 19:35.10 | frankps | well, I have tried to install them on both the sd and the ram |
| 19:35.28 | warmi | I never had any problems |
| 19:35.35 | frankps | some of them makes it to the sd ram, and some only in the ram |
| 19:35.51 | gaurdian | frankps , yea...some need to go in ram |
| 19:35.52 | frankps | and there are two, three apps that I seem to not be able to install |
| 19:36.04 | gaurdian | but all of them installed for me |
| 19:36.13 | frankps | todo and mahjong |
| 19:36.21 | gaurdian | I dont have the games... |
| 19:36.29 | gaurdian | and todo went in fine |
| 19:37.07 | frankps | i have rebooted the zaurus trying again |
| 19:37.55 | Twiun | Neo|Work: iprelay... freshmeat? |
| 19:38.39 | gaurdian | I am waiting for tkmail |
| 19:39.17 | frankps | same here, I wanted to wait with buying new apps, but didn't manage to wait any longer |
| 19:43.01 | Neo|Work | it works but uses a lot of CPU. probably written badly |
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| 20:07.54 | lariosZZ | YEAH, jejejje, |
| 20:08.36 | lariosZZ | now i can view DivX by my had disk by NFS but some MP3 dosent work |
| 20:09.07 | lariosZZ | and went i install the mplayer codecs... the ipkg say... link fail |
| 20:09.13 | lariosZZ | a lot of times |
| 20:09.18 | lariosZZ | help please |
| 20:09.19 | lariosZZ | :) |
| 20:10.22 | lariosZZ | Some body knows a program to edit in .DOC ???? |
| 20:16.11 | lariosZZ | eooo? |
| 20:16.14 | lariosZZ | hay alguien? |
| 20:16.18 | lariosZZ | some people here??? |
| 20:18.08 | treke | lariosZZ: MS Word |
| 20:18.34 | nessie | openoffice |
| 20:18.58 | lariosZZ | in zaurus???? |
| 20:19.30 | treke | hancom word |
| 20:19.56 | lariosZZ | its avaliable to download? |
| 20:20.07 | treke | its already on your zaurus |
| 20:20.47 | lariosZZ | NOP |
| 20:20.58 | lariosZZ | with Open zaurus nop |
| 20:21.26 | treke | It's on the sharp rom, there are tools on ZSI to copy it off the rom before flashin oz |
| 20:21.56 | lariosZZ | oki |
| 20:21.59 | lariosZZ | thx |
| 20:22.17 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 20:22.21 | kergoth | hi Cloudchaser |
| 20:22.36 | Cloudchaser | how are you today kergoth? |
| 20:22.43 | kergoth | its monday. but not bad |
| 20:22.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:22.45 | kergoth | you? |
| 20:22.47 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
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| 20:23.02 | Cloudchaser | doing ok thanks |
| 20:24.39 | krezel | I've followed the instructions from http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml and I'm trying to compile the example app (for x86) and I get massive linker errors |
| 20:25.17 | warmi | what's your $QPEDIR ? |
| 20:26.30 | krezel | -=>echo $QPEDIR |
| 20:26.31 | krezel | /opt/Qtopia |
| 20:26.51 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: gday |
| 20:26.56 | warmi | what kind of lineker errors ? |
| 20:27.11 | Cloudchaser | hiya Neo|Work :) |
| 20:27.13 | Neo|Work | krezel: compiling for x86 or cross-compiling for arm? |
| 20:27.13 | krezel | moc_examplebase.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._ZTV11ExampleBase+0x1b4): undefined reference to `QPaintDevice::fontMet(QFont*, int, char const*, int) const' |
| 20:27.14 | krezel | moc_examplebase.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._ZTV11ExampleBase+0x1b8): undefined reference to `QPaintDevice::fontInf(QFont*, int) const' |
| 20:27.15 | Cloudchaser | i have a questionfor you |
| 20:27.27 | Neo|Work | krezel: if x86, are you using gcc 3.x or so? |
| 20:27.29 | krezel | Neo|Work: right now I'm just trying to compile for x86 |
| 20:27.30 | Cloudchaser | does IF have more than one "level"? |
| 20:27.35 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: I thought you might. :P |
| 20:27.39 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 20:27.40 | warmi | yeah, do gcc --version |
| 20:27.41 | krezel | shite... 3.2 |
| 20:27.47 | krezel | I forgot that debian upgraded |
| 20:27.47 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:27.52 | Neo|Work | krezel: then you need gcc 2.95 or so |
| 20:27.53 | krezel | I should be using 2.9.5, right? |
| 20:27.56 | krezel | ok |
| 20:28.00 | warmi | 2.96 |
| 20:28.01 | kergoth | export CC=gcc-2.95 |
| 20:28.05 | kergoth | 2.96 is crap |
| 20:28.07 | kergoth | produces buggy code |
| 20:28.11 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: it has 12 individual levels, 3 stages (I believe) |
| 20:28.15 | krezel | 96 or 95 :) |
| 20:28.23 | Neo|Work | where each stage has somewhat different goals |
| 20:28.28 | Neo|Work | krezel: 95 |
| 20:28.41 | Neo|Work | 2.96, which doesn't really exist, caused odd crashes for me |
| 20:28.50 | krezel | ok sweet, thanks guys |
| 20:28.52 | kergoth | krezel: apt-get install gcc-2.95; export CC=gcc-2.95; export CXX=g++-2.95; |
| 20:28.52 | Cloudchaser | does it get to another screen/view then if i get enough points? |
| 20:29.33 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: no, points doesn't matter and it always looks the same. Ever 4 levels is a new "section" |
| 20:29.51 | Cloudchaser | Neo|Work: i'm not so good at games...so i wasn't sure ;) |
| 20:29.52 | Neo|Work | after finishing the first 4 levels, the goal change and you cna also start on level 5 etc |
| 20:30.21 | Cloudchaser | how do you know if you pass a level? |
| 20:30.49 | Neo|Work | it will end . :) |
| 20:31.10 | Neo|Work | meaning you get some bonus points, and it starts on the next level with a different dreadnaught and such |
| 20:31.21 | Cloudchaser | hehe guess i haven't gotten that far then ;) |
| 20:31.38 | Neo|Work | then you must have missed one or more shield generators. :P |
| 20:31.46 | Cloudchaser | oh i'm sure |
| 20:32.11 | Cloudchaser | since i don't know what they look like or how to actually aim at them.. i just fly back and forth and shoot |
| 20:32.29 | Cloudchaser | and try not to crash myself :) |
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| 20:33.23 | Cloudchaser | hello TimRiker |
| 20:33.48 | krezel | For some reason its not using my values for $CC and $CXX when it compiles |
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| 20:34.30 | Neo|Work | krezel: did you remake the Makefile? |
| 20:35.00 | Neo|Work | from the .pro file that is |
| 20:35.00 | krezel | I thought so. I think I may not have deleted it though, and I dont think tmake overwrites... |
| 20:35.14 | krezel | Ok I just remade it, same problem |
| 20:35.17 | Neo|Work | tmake will remake the makefile if the .pro file has changed |
| 20:35.47 | krezel | yeah: CC = gcc |
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| 20:36.24 | TDT | Hey all. I was curious. I just got a CF Card, and want to install OpenZaurus. I have a 256 meg compact flash card...will that work ok? |
| 20:36.50 | Neo|Work | krezel: ok, use 'make CXX=gcc-2.95' etc |
| 20:36.52 | mark | TDT: should do |
| 20:37.00 | TDT | mark: Thx. |
| 20:37.01 | krezel | Oh yeah... note to all, dont crack the screen on your Z, its $325 US to fix it |
| 20:37.08 | mark | krezel: jeez |
| 20:37.19 | gaurdian | holy crap.....almost a new Z |
| 20:37.27 | krezel | Yeah |
| 20:37.29 | warmi | not almost - it is a new Z |
| 20:37.31 | yeiazel | yeah, so amazing... OZ 3.0 supports my wifi card; OZ 3.1 doesn't... |
| 20:37.45 | TDT | What is the site for openZaurus? |
| 20:37.46 | gaurdian | dident warentee cover it ? |
| 20:37.50 | krezel | I had it in my pocket, and the snap cover popped off and pushed against the screen when I leaned into a desk, popped the glass cover |
| 20:37.51 | TDT | nm |
| 20:38.03 | krezel | Sharp says the warranty doesnt cover the screen |
| 20:38.03 | TDT | I'm on irssi, didn't get the full greet message |
| 20:38.09 | Neo|Work | warranty usually doesn't cover accidental breakage, but only things like manufacturing problems, no? |
| 20:38.11 | gaurdian | go figure that |
| 20:38.26 | krezel | So pay the $30 for the extended warranty |
| 20:38.50 | krezel | I may have a second, touchscreenless Z to hack around with though |
| 20:38.56 | gaurdian | I ,ove IBM's warentee's. I spilled 16oz coffee on a laptop, they replaced it......warentee covered it |
| 20:39.17 | gaurdian | couldent believe it |
| 20:39.27 | gaurdian | the 30$ covers screens |
| 20:39.33 | krezel | IBM's great on Warranties |
| 20:39.44 | krezel | yay... compiles |
| 20:39.57 | yeiazel | does someone have info about wifi support in oz3.1 ? |
| 20:40.03 | TDT | is konqueror or whatever slow on the zaurus like its slow in KDE? or is it enhanced quite a bit? |
| 20:40.05 | gaurdian | I couldent believe they covered coffee spill thpough....7 days later new computer |
| 20:40.33 | gaurdian | and when my kid (2yrs old) ripped a key off, they replaced the keyboard |
| 20:40.39 | mrluisp | isn't there a konq-embedded? |
| 20:40.49 | yeiazel | mrluisp: it is |
| 20:40.54 | chouimat|busy | ulyx fortune bofh-excuses |
| 20:40.55 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #229: wrong polarity of neutron flow |
| 20:41.05 | krezel | IBM stocks shipping boxes in major cities in the US. If you break your laptop, they have a guy deliver an empty box to you that afternoon with an overnight shipping label. |
| 20:41.18 | gaurdian | thats EXACTLY what they did |
| 20:41.19 | krezel | Ship it there, one day in service, and they ship it right back to you. 3 day turn around |
| 20:41.20 | mrluisp | konq-embedded probably runs faster than the regular konq |
| 20:41.25 | gaurdian | was gret] |
| 20:41.31 | Neo|Work | gaurdian: I have also found that kids + laptop keyboard doesn't match |
| 20:41.36 | krezel | Both my parents work for IBM so I'm biased, but they do a good job |
| 20:41.36 | mrluisp | krezel: like dell |
| 20:41.38 | yeiazel | mrluisp: it does |
| 20:41.48 | Neo|Work | I onec got a key ripped off, but fortunately I could pluck it back on |
| 20:41.49 | mrluisp | cool |
| 20:41.51 | gaurdian | I am biased now.......there great |
| 20:41.57 | Neo|Work | nowadays I watch them carefully when they play with it. :P |
| 20:42.23 | krezel | A housemate of mine spilled a bottle of guiness in my favorite keyboard once... not cool |
| 20:42.25 | gaurdian | well, mine are old 600e's now........ |
| 20:42.30 | kergoth | grrr |
| 20:42.59 | gaurdian | one totally died and the other screen is goin out |
| 20:43.09 | Neo|Work | in the good old days we spilled one of those tins with hard round candies in powered sugar on the Amiga keyboard |
| 20:43.21 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: huh? |
| 20:43.32 | Neo|Work | since then keys got stuck on random - also we couldn't afford a new keyboard either. :P |
| 20:43.36 | kergoth | chouimat|busy: still doesnt like my image |
| 20:43.43 | gaurdian | I am actually waiting on a call from IBM re: my resume |
| 20:43.59 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: make it prettier :) |
| 20:44.27 | krezel | gaurdian: Internship or full-time? |
| 20:44.41 | yeiazel | doesn't the kernel in oz3.1 support the prism chips ? |
| 20:44.41 | gaurdian | Contract....hopefully will go full time |
| 20:44.50 | kergoth | note: copying around 25 meg images slows the tesitng process quite a bit |
| 20:45.01 | krezel | It seems to be a good place to work, theyre really tight on interns lately though :-\ |
| 20:45.24 | gaurdian | well, everyone is...economy sucks, but hopefully get this and go full time in a year |
| 20:46.16 | krezel | Yeah |
| 20:46.22 | krezel | thats what grad school is for |
| 20:46.40 | krezel | should I be worried that there is no string.h in /opt/Qtopia/sharp/include/ ? |
| 20:47.02 | kergoth | why would there be? |
| 20:47.11 | kergoth | that belongs in the toolchain's header path, not the sdk's |
| 20:47.18 | krezel | well g++ thinks it should be there :) |
| 20:47.23 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:47.25 | kergoth | no, it doesnt |
| 20:47.28 | krezel | /opt/Qtopia/sharp/include/qcstring.h:50: string.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:47.33 | kergoth | right |
| 20:47.40 | kergoth | that doesnt mean string.h has to be in that path. |
| 20:47.41 | prpplague | krezel: debian gcc headers generally in string.h |
| 20:47.49 | krezel | Hmm yeah |
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| 20:47.51 | kergoth | it means it cant find string.h in the compiler's header path |
| 20:47.51 | krezel | hmm |
| 20:48.00 | prpplague | krezel: if you are using redhat or some other dist you may need to add it |
| 20:48.00 | krezel | yeah I hacked the make file a little |
| 20:48.06 | kergoth | you probably havent installed libc6-dev |
| 20:48.10 | kergoth | or something like that |
| 20:48.46 | krezel | apt says its installed. Is there an env variable that needs to be set? |
| 20:48.50 | kergoth | no |
| 20:49.11 | kergoth | find /usr/include -name string.h |
| 20:49.19 | kergoth | auto-apt search string.h |
| 20:49.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:49.42 | krezel | yeah its there |
| 20:50.07 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:50.11 | kergoth | 'there' means nothing |
| 20:50.12 | kergoth | where? |
| 20:50.16 | krezel | ruca:/home/krezel/tmp/example# find /usr/include -name string.h |
| 20:50.17 | krezel | /usr/include/bits/string.h |
| 20:50.17 | krezel | /usr/include/string.h |
| 20:50.39 | kergoth | hm, edit qcstring.h line 50, maek sure its <string.h>, not "string.h" |
| 20:50.45 | yeiazel | with oz3.0, when plugging my wifi card, it was detected, I was connected. why doesn't it work with oz3.1 ? |
| 20:50.57 | kergoth | jesus |
| 20:51.06 | kergoth | yeiazel: _please_ read the mailing list archives |
| 20:51.12 | kergoth | yeiazel: I've answered this _at least_ 15 times |
| 20:51.19 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: be calm please |
| 20:51.21 | krezel | Yep, it is |
| 20:51.33 | yeiazel | oh, there are mailing lists ? |
| 20:51.47 | chouimat|busy | ulyx fortune bofh-excuses |
| 20:51.48 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #303: fractal radiation jamming the backbone |
| 20:51.48 | kergoth | yeiazel: openzaurus.org. read. |
| 20:51.54 | chouimat|busy | ulyx fortune bofh-excuses |
| 20:51.55 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #83: Support staff hung over, send aspirin and come back LATER. |
| 20:51.57 | yeiazel | sorry, but I don't find *anything* about that in your "so wonderful" website |
| 20:52.12 | kergoth | yeiazel: then you're blind. the contacts page mentions the mailing lists. |
| 20:52.12 | chouimat|busy | ulyx fortune bofh-excuses |
| 20:52.12 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #87: Password is too complex to decrypt |
| 20:52.21 | chouimat|busy | lol |
| 20:52.25 | yeiazel | ah ah ah |
| 20:52.26 | kergoth | yeiazel: your inability to navigate a fucking web site is not my problem. |
| 20:52.35 | Pendalar | ouch |
| 20:52.38 | krezel | Ouch |
| 20:52.50 | yeiazel | am I *really* supposed to think of "contact" when I'm searching HELP ? |
| 20:52.57 | kergoth | yes. |
| 20:52.57 | krezel | remind me not to piss kergoth off |
| 20:53.00 | kergoth | when you need help |
| 20:53.02 | chouimat|busy | ulyx fortune bofh-excuses |
| 20:53.02 | kergoth | you .. |
| 20:53.03 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #441: Hash table has woodworm |
| 20:53.04 | kergoth | contact someone! |
| 20:53.05 | kergoth | wow |
| 20:53.07 | kergoth | that was hard |
| 20:53.11 | moot | kerg, have you observed 3.1rc2 never being able to reboot on a 5000d, it just hangs there on "login:". no keys input, cant get past it |
| 20:53.11 | Pendalar | kergy, not to pry but when was the last time you got laid? and not cyber... |
| 20:53.20 | yeiazel | I see a *big* section called "faq", and there's nothing about any ML here, nor in the "docs" section |
| 20:53.29 | chouimat|busy | ulyx slap Pendalar |
| 20:53.30 | kergoth | god you're an idiot |
| 20:53.35 | moot | stupid questions deserve stupid answers? :P |
| 20:53.36 | yeiazel | mh, what about debian-arm... |
| 20:53.37 | kergoth | when you need _human_ assistance |
| 20:53.42 | kergoth | you click on the big obvious contact page |
| 20:53.45 | kergoth | so you can contact.. humans! |
| 20:53.47 | kergoth | wow, logic. |
| 20:53.56 | chouimat|busy | yeiazel: french? |
| 20:53.58 | nadav | how do you comment in php? |
| 20:54.01 | nadav | forgot |
| 20:54.15 | yeiazel | chouimat|busy: ? |
| 20:54.21 | raceme | nadav: like in c++: // |
| 20:54.24 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: be nice |
| 20:54.27 | moot | kerg, any idea on my problem? |
| 20:54.43 | kergoth | moot: not offhand, chances are opie is segfaulting on start |
| 20:54.53 | kergoth | moot: which results in teh console set to the wrong mode for keyboard, which is why it doesnt work |
| 20:54.58 | moot | ah |
| 20:55.07 | kergoth | remember, when you upgrade opie.. any part of it |
| 20:55.09 | kergoth | upgrade all of it. |
| 20:55.16 | nadav | raceme: thanks |
| 20:55.43 | moot | i found another segfault error in 3.0, upon reflash if you goto tab manager or whatever and turn off the irda/wireless/clipboard icons, itll just segfault and you have to soft reset |
| 20:55.52 | moot | happens every time on mine, 32-0 flash on a 5000d |
| 20:56.34 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: hard day at work? |
| 20:57.14 | Pendalar | or just don't upgrade opie |
| 20:57.15 | Pendalar | imho |
| 20:57.20 | krezel | I think we all need to give kergoth a big hug |
| 20:57.37 | moot | [ 15:51:12 ] [ @kergoth ] yeiazel: I've answered this _at least_ 15 times <--- wouldnt you be bothered if you answer shit 50x and someone isnt smart enough to RTFM or seek other help before bugging you? |
| 20:57.58 | moot | i wasnt upgrading, first flash :/ terminate opie and its gone for good :( oh well, 3.0 is working fine now |
| 21:01.35 | krezel | raceme: whats wrong? |
| 21:01.39 | mark | `. |
| 21:01.57 | yeiazel | kergoth: isn't something askes 15 times a *F*requently *A*sked *Q*uestion ? |
| 21:02.02 | yeiazel | s/askes/asked/ |
| 21:02.45 | kergoth | yes, go ahead and submit the faq |
| 21:02.47 | kergoth | i have better shit to do |
| 21:02.53 | raceme | krezel: well my sandisk sddr-73 works on linux with everyone on earth (including my work pc) but not on my home pc... |
| 21:03.24 | kergoth | yeiazel: if you want to finish c700, b500, and a300 OZ support for me, I'll go ahead and start writing more detailed docs |
| 21:03.27 | yeiazel | yes, like say 15 times that you already have answered 15 times 15 different questions to 15 different people |
| 21:03.30 | kergoth | yeiazel: if not, shut the fuck up |
| 21:03.39 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:04.00 | *** part/#zaurus yeiazel (~yeiazel@home.yeiazel.net) |
| 21:04.06 | kergoth | finally |
| 21:05.08 | kergoth | moot: your launcher settings segfault bug is known, reported, and fixed |
| 21:05.14 | kergoth | moot: jus tnot in 3.0 |
| 21:05.19 | moot | okay, good to hear |
| 21:05.31 | moot | gotta save up for a damn cf nic :/ i hate transferring/networking through the cradle |
| 21:06.18 | raceme | kergoth: don't be mad at him... he's just a little young :) |
| 21:07.10 | kergoth | I cant beleive he though clicking on contact to .. contact the developers was unintuitive |
| 21:07.12 | prpplague | kergoth: argh, i've gotten 8 emails from netsilicon today :( |
| 21:07.16 | moot | how do you know hes young? |
| 21:07.18 | kergoth | prpplague: jeeze |
| 21:07.29 | raceme | moot: i know him |
| 21:07.34 | kergoth | prpplague: what do they want? |
| 21:07.39 | moot | im 14 and im not spamming stupid questions :P |
| 21:07.55 | kergoth | i dont mind people asking stupid questions |
| 21:08.05 | raceme | moot: so you're wiser than he is :) |
| 21:08.05 | kergoth | if they've done research on their own first |
| 21:08.10 | moot | repeatedly asking stupid questions? :P |
| 21:08.47 | krezel | Like me :) |
| 21:08.54 | prpplague | kergoth: wanting me to attend some winblows ce training session |
| 21:09.01 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:10.48 | raceme | moot: don't ask me psychological analysis, i just know him :) |
| 21:14.36 | kergoth | Pendalar: heh, its been a while |
| 21:15.40 | TDT | I'm thinking of using the oz 64 meg system, 0 meg storage version of the kernel. Is that wise? can I install apps on my SD and still be able to use it a lot? what about the calendar and address books? can all this stuff stay the same? |
| 21:16.01 | kergoth | I'm using it right now |
| 21:16.02 | kergoth | works great |
| 21:16.38 | kergoth | and after reflashing to upgrade for example, just run ipkg-link mount /mnt/card to resymlink the apps |
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| 21:16.56 | TDT | ah ok, makes sense - thx. |
| 21:16.57 | gaurdian | IMHO, I would reccomend having some RAM storage, just because I have found some apps that require install to ram |
| 21:17.10 | kergoth | no. |
| 21:17.21 | gaurdian | uh....some thekompany apps do |
| 21:17.24 | kergoth | first of all, the ramdisk is identical in nature to sd |
| 21:17.28 | kergoth | ipkg treats them identically. |
| 21:17.38 | kergoth | maybe you mean install to flash? |
| 21:17.44 | kergoth | ram is treated identically to sd. |
| 21:17.47 | gaurdian | well, with a 64-0 I couldent install a few on SD |
| 21:17.48 | kergoth | except perhaps filesystem |
| 21:17.53 | kergoth | if your sd is vfat, thats your problem. |
| 21:18.05 | gaurdian | nope...I formatted it ext2 |
| 21:18.13 | kergoth | its not the app that requires ram, its something in your environment |
| 21:18.21 | kergoth | it _is_ possible that an app requires _flash_ |
| 21:18.24 | kergoth | not likely, but possible |
| 21:18.27 | kergoth | ram, nope. |
| 21:19.22 | gaurdian | well, looking at the install instructions "qpe-thekompany,tkcjabber and tkcaddressbook and tkccalandar must be installed in RAM" |
| 21:19.46 | TDT | What happens to my address and calendar? Will they be writing to the SD a lot and wear down battery power? or how are they stored? |
| 21:20.18 | treke | gaurdian: tkc calander and address book do ugly hackish things |
| 21:20.49 | gaurdian | well, that may be....all I know is they work fine for me and that what the install doc says |
| 21:21.13 | kergoth | gaurdian: RAM in sharp is NOT the same as RAM in OZ |
| 21:21.22 | kergoth | gaurdian: their install guide means it must be installed to /, which is flash in OZ |
| 21:21.26 | kergoth | gaurdian: and RAM in shap |
| 21:21.28 | kergoth | sharp |
| 21:21.40 | kergoth | liek i said. if they require anything, they require to be installed to flash. |
| 21:21.46 | TDT | speaking of gaurdian's question - does OZ have an address book and calendar already? or do I need to download those manually?\ |
| 21:21.54 | kergoth | TDT: yes, it does |
| 21:21.55 | treke | TDT: yes it does |
| 21:22.14 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 21:22.24 | TDT | ok, cool. |
| 21:23.17 | kergoth | TDT: app data and settings are stored in the user's home directory, regardless of where they're installed |
| 21:23.46 | kergoth | grr, its still complaining about the erase block size |
| 21:23.47 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:24.00 | kergoth | yet i know the sharp rom is 65535 and so is mine |
| 21:24.01 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:26.42 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: be calm |
| 21:26.56 | TDT | kergoth: If there is no storage memory, where does the information in the home directory go? |
| 21:27.04 | treke | TDT: flash |
| 21:27.06 | kergoth | TDT: flash |
| 21:27.18 | treke | Sugar, make kergoth a long island |
| 21:27.27 | kergoth | god i need one of those |
| 21:27.34 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune bofh-excuses |
| 21:27.34 | kergoth | mondays hate me |
| 21:27.34 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #279: The static electricity routing is acting up... |
| 21:27.55 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune bofh-excuses |
| 21:27.56 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #54: Evil dogs hypnotised the night shift |
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| 21:29.03 | chouimat|busy | hi icefox |
| 21:29.16 | icefox | hi |
| 21:29.27 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 21:29.41 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune chalkboard |
| 21:29.41 | ulyx | I WILL NOT GO NEAR THE KINDERGARTEN TURTLE I WILL NOT GO NEAR THE KINDERGARTEN TURTLE I WILL NOT GO NEAR THE KINDERGARTEN TURTLE I WILL NOT GO NEAR THE KINDERGARTEN TURTLE Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 1F10 |
| 21:36.14 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune chalkboard |
| 21:36.14 | ulyx | EVERYONE IS TIRED OF THAT RICHARD GERE STORY EVERYONE IS TIRED OF THAT RICHARD GERE STORY EVERYONE IS TIRED OF THAT RICHARD GERE STORY EVERYONE IS TIRED OF THAT RICHARD GERE STORY Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 5F01 |
| 21:36.31 | kergoth | ulyx: fortune dune |
| 21:36.31 | ulyx | My father once told me that respect for the truth comes close to being the basis for all morality. "Something cannot emerge from nothing," he said. This is profound thinking if you understand how unstable "the truth" can be. -- from "Conversations with Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan |
| 21:36.48 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune chapterhouse-dune |
| 21:36.48 | ulyx | Rules build up fortifications behind which small minds create satrapies. A perilous state of affairs in the best of times, disastrous during crises. -- Bene Gesserit Coda |
| 21:37.14 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune SP |
| 21:37.14 | ulyx | Kyle's mom is a big fat fucking bitch! |
| 21:37.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:37.28 | mark | ulyx: hehe |
| 21:37.35 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune SP |
| 21:37.35 | ulyx | Ok, now let's try to get an answer from someone who's not a complete retard. Anyone? C'mon, don't be shy. |
| 21:38.33 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune SP |
| 21:38.34 | ulyx | Thank God we live in the quiet little redneck podunk white trash quiet mountain town. |
| 21:38.39 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune SP |
| 21:38.39 | ulyx | So guys, does it make you nervous to be in America? There are a lot of organizations that want you arrested for destroying children. Oh they'd have to find us first. You're right... NOW! |
| 21:39.08 | kergoth | grr, what is wrong with this image |
| 21:39.10 | kergoth | i dont get it |
| 21:39.11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:39.13 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune SP |
| 21:39.13 | ulyx | Listen you donkey raping shit eater. |
| 21:39.23 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune bofh-excuses |
| 21:39.23 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #43: boss forgot system password |
| 21:40.10 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune bofh-excuses |
| 21:40.11 | ulyx | BOFH Excuse #354: Chewing gum on /dev/sd3c |
| 21:42.14 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune SP |
| 21:42.14 | ulyx | What say you, Mr. American Ambassador? Fuck Canada! |
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| 21:43.08 | krezel | where do you get all these fortune files? |
| 21:44.48 | chouimat|busy | krezel: on then net :) |
| 21:44.52 | chouimat|busy | ulyx: fortune |
| 21:44.52 | ulyx | Beneath this stone a virgin lies, For her life held no terrors. A virgin born, a virgin died: No hits, no runs, no errors. |
| 21:55.40 | Neo|Work | hmmdidumdi |
| 21:56.23 | chouimat|bored | ulyx: fortune SP |
| 21:56.23 | ulyx | Well I'm sorry Wendy, I just don't trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn't die. Anyway children, lets start off with some vocabulary... |
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| 21:57.52 | TDT | ah crap, I think my zaurus install is f00bared now |
| 21:58.52 | TDT | The sharp loading screen comes up and is just "blinking" |
| 21:59.06 | TDT | No keyboard input, etc. |
| 21:59.59 | TDT | dang it...any idea on what's the matter with this thing now? I followed the instructions to the tee - literally. |
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| 22:02.18 | TDT | reflashing it again, man I hope this works |
| 22:02.44 | TDT | only things on my cf card are the two necessary files, and the backup file |
| 22:03.00 | krezel | You can't have any other files on your CF card |
| 22:03.01 | kergoth | sounds like you didnt rename the files |
| 22:03.05 | kergoth | krezel: yes, you cna |
| 22:03.09 | krezel | Really? |
| 22:03.12 | kergoth | my CF is absolutely full |
| 22:03.17 | kergoth | and i flash my Z twice a day at least |
| 22:03.23 | krezel | ok the Howto I read said you couldnt have any others :-\ |
| 22:04.56 | TDT | ah wonderful |
| 22:04.59 | TDT | I missed that part |
| 22:05.02 | TDT | crap! |
| 22:06.36 | TDT | so my only option about right now is to run to best buy and get a CF Card reader? |
| 22:07.25 | krezel | Got a laptop? |
| 22:07.37 | TDT | yeah |
| 22:07.43 | oGMo | or lots of tiny wires, the spec, and some luck? |
| 22:07.49 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 22:07.51 | krezel | just get one of the PC card -> CF ones, theyre pretty cheap |
| 22:07.58 | oGMo | yeah, like $15 |
| 22:08.11 | TDT | Yeahl, I saw a USB cf card reader for 20 bucks at best buy |
| 22:08.21 | TDT | it's not bad, but I wouldn't be using it often lol |
| 22:08.24 | oGMo | there ya go |
| 22:08.37 | oGMo | TDT: maybe not, you may find uses for it once you have it |
| 22:09.42 | TDT | oGMo: true, I may find a use. I wish I linked up my USB now on my mainboard lol...I have frontside USB, but no onboard USB on my Mobo, just a USB PCI card |
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| 22:12.02 | oGMo | TDT: whoa, old system? |
| 22:12.29 | oGMo | last box i saw without usb was a p100, and i'm not sure it didn't ;) |
| 22:12.48 | TDT | oGMo: Actually brand new, but the mobo maker decided not to put it in. Maybe it drains too much power from the board or something, dunno. |
| 22:13.18 | oGMo | harryF: reportedly the "Pretec" ones work, but not the "lite" low-power version |
| 22:13.28 | oGMo | TDT: ... |
| 22:13.41 | oGMo | that's messed up ;) |
| 22:13.59 | harryF | oGMo: thx. Any GPS/Navigation software you can recommend? |
| 22:14.17 | TDT | yeah, oh well...I suppose I can stuff it in the back too and it won't kill me. |
| 22:14.27 | oGMo | harryF: check the ZSI, there are a number of free things there |
| 22:14.30 | TDT | well, off to best buy....fun |
| 22:14.40 | oGMo | at least one looked decent, you could make your own maps, and they had links to map data |
| 22:14.51 | oGMo | TDT: don't spend too much ;) |
| 22:15.17 | TDT | oGMo: I'l try not to lol..getting the cheapest thing |
| 22:15.19 | TDT | brb soon |
| 22:15.20 | oGMo | ok brb |
| 22:15.24 | krezel | I've had to leave my wallet in the car at times when going to Best Buy |
| 22:23.21 | harryF | any WLan card that is optimal for the Z? |
| 22:28.35 | Wintre | Hi Harald |
| 22:29.09 | Wintre | I have one of the SMC-whatver which Sharp advertises on the accessories pages. It works reasonably well |
| 22:31.06 | harryF | Wintre: okay, can I use your WLan-Hub when I'm in .no? :) |
| 22:32.16 | Cloudchaser | heya wintre |
| 22:32.22 | Wintre | Hi Cloud |
| 22:32.38 | Wintre | harry: The AP I bought doesn't work with the CF card, actually, though the one we have at Trolltech does |
| 22:33.21 | Wintre | The card seems to mysteriously lose contact with the AP periodically though |
| 22:33.28 | Wintre | I haven't bothered really debugging it |
| 22:33.34 | JasonNJ | sup dudes. |
| 22:33.47 | Wintre | Hi |
| 22:33.53 | harryF | Wintre: hm, doesn't sound too good... |
| 22:34.52 | Wintre | Simply ejecting and reinserting the card makes it work again |
| 22:35.54 | Wintre | Anyway, we have one of the Symbol cards as well, and that's got a different set of problems (no WEP without a new kernel, apparently) |
| 22:36.32 | harryF | Wintre: isn't there a model that just works? |
| 22:36.59 | Wintre | The SMC is pretty close. I haven't looked at it much more closely |
| 22:37.07 | Wintre | But of these two there appears not to be |
| 22:37.12 | kergoth | any prism2/2.5 based card should be fine |
| 22:37.40 | Wintre | ....Like the SMC? |
| 22:37.46 | harryF | what about the pretec one? |
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| 22:37.55 | kergoth | smc is prism2.5 |
| 22:37.59 | kergoth | should work great, I've used it |
| 22:38.13 | Wintre | I have one. It loses contact with the AP perioically |
| 22:38.18 | Wintre | s/ioi/iodi/ |
| 22:38.21 | kergoth | course even symbol/socket is prism based, just a special version that needs firmware downloaded on init |
| 22:38.39 | Wintre | At least it did when last I played with it before Christmas |
| 22:38.39 | kergoth | and you know it has nothing to do with the AP? |
| 22:38.47 | kergoth | could be a driver issue as well |
| 22:39.22 | Wintre | The AP is a fairly old Lucent WavePOINT, and we never experienced problems of that sort with PCMCIA WaveLAN cards |
| 22:39.30 | Wintre | This is using the Sharp ROM, btw |
| 22:39.53 | kergoth | could be a problem with the wlan-ng prism driver |
| 22:40.07 | kergoth | I still cant believe they went with wlan-ng |
| 22:40.08 | kergoth | bleh |
| 22:40.19 | kergoth | speaking of which, i wonder what drivers the c700 is using |
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| 23:16.14 | raceme | i am in 3.1rc2/testing; i want to install xmms-e and i see it depends from qpe-base. I don't find any qpe-base package ? |
| 23:17.45 | kergoth | you dont need qpe-base |
| 23:17.46 | raceme | sorry i just found opie-base provides qpe-base |
| 23:17.49 | kergoth | right |
| 23:18.22 | raceme | ok, live test: ipkg install xmms-e |
| 23:19.22 | raceme | Installing libvorbisidec1 (20030123-1) to root... |
| 23:19.29 | raceme | ipkg: invalid compressed data--crc error |
| 23:19.32 | raceme | is it bad ? |
| 23:21.09 | raceme | xmms as a ? icon and does not start... |
| 23:22.46 | raceme | YES: xmms at least :) |
| 23:23.00 | kergoth | argh |
| 23:24.02 | Neo|Work | raceme: crc error == bad file |
| 23:24.14 | TDT | Tihs may be a bit off topic, but um...can linux mount one of these USB Card Readers? |
| 23:24.37 | raceme | TDT: yes except if you hac a crap vuia chipset like me |
| 23:25.18 | TDT | raceme: I think I have an intel chipset..but I don't know exactly. What is the general location for USB devices? /dev/XXX |
| 23:25.59 | raceme | anyone can explain me how to move a file with the file manage ? i don't get the thing ? |
| 23:26.11 | kergoth | 'the file manager'? |
| 23:26.21 | kergoth | i assume you mean the one thats included with oz |
| 23:26.26 | raceme | TDT: check first if your usb reader is handled by linux |
| 23:26.29 | raceme | kergoth: yes |
| 23:26.32 | kergoth | you go to one tab, select where you're moving it to |
| 23:26.37 | kergoth | go to the other, find the file, hit move |
| 23:26.39 | kergoth | done |
| 23:26.39 | TDT | raceme: I don't know if it is or not. |
| 23:26.42 | NoRemorse | anyone here use kismet-qt? |
| 23:26.50 | kergoth | NoRemorse: yep |
| 23:27.00 | raceme | kergoth: thanks i test at once :) |
| 23:27.02 | TDT | raceme: Actually change that, linux sees it |
| 23:27.05 | NoRemorse | kergoth: is the signal/power/Quality levels meant to update in real time? mine arent |
| 23:27.08 | raceme | i thought i already tried that |
| 23:27.10 | TDT | raceme: now I just need to figure out how to mount it. |
| 23:27.12 | kergoth | NoRemorse: afaicr they should |
| 23:27.19 | NoRemorse | hmmmmmm |
| 23:27.37 | kergoth | NoRemorse: /join #openzaurus |
| 23:27.45 | raceme | TDT: http://vic.dyndns.org/linux-UsbMassStorage |
| 23:27.51 | NoRemorse | k |
| 23:28.22 | TDT | raceme: very nice, thx |
| 23:28.49 | TDT | raceme: lol, wow it was easier than I thought...the first few steps worked lmao |
| 23:28.59 | raceme | kergoth: well it doesn't want to. perhaps it is because card is in vfat... |
| 23:29.33 | raceme | TDT: you're disgusting me... :) i'm trying since 3 days to make work my sandisk sddr-73 |
| 23:30.45 | TDT | raceme: lmao. What kernel and distro are you using? |
| 23:31.03 | TDT | reflashing zaurus...I hope this works. |
| 23:31.15 | TDT | this time got that file named right |
| 23:31.26 | TDT | man what a stupid mistake...read it, but didn't see that part lol |
| 23:31.34 | raceme | TDT: debian, 2.4.19, 2.4.20, 2.4.21pre4... This is a hardware problem in my case: the reader works perfectly well on my work pc |
| 23:32.45 | TDT | raceme: Ah. Yeah, Redhat 8.0 here running 2.4.19 smp. |
| 23:33.01 | raceme | i always thought the 5500 had a speaker ? i dreamed ? |
| 23:33.06 | TDT | raceme: It's been a long time since I used debian last. Hows 3.0 working out? |
| 23:33.12 | kergoth | you dreamed. it has a buzzer |
| 23:33.23 | TDT | lol |
| 23:33.53 | kergoth | ulyx: insult the c700/b500 CF updater |
| 23:33.54 | ulyx | the c700/b500 CF updater is nothing but a tempestuous tongueful of measled gunk. |
| 23:34.04 | TDT | wow, it's working |
| 23:34.08 | JasonNJ | yes, that would be about right |
| 23:34.21 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i like the interface |
| 23:34.25 | kergoth | JasonNJ: but it hates my image |
| 23:34.26 | JasonNJ | Dont you love the freakin 16 step process? |
| 23:34.28 | TDT | although I don't know if it's booting up or not lol...nm it is |
| 23:34.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:34.36 | raceme | i enjoy dreaming... to a better world where usb chipset were not done by via :) |
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| 23:34.41 | kergoth | it isnt that bad in actuality, but that instructions sucks |
| 23:34.44 | kergoth | s/that/those/ |
| 23:34.55 | weez | hi everyone |
| 23:35.24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it dumps errors saying the erase block size is wrong. but my initrd.bin has an identical erase blcok size as teh sharp initrd.bin |
| 23:35.30 | TDT | One question now...I installed the kernel with 64 meg memory usage. I have my SD card in the slot already...is there anything I should know about it beginning to install there? or will it? or is there something I need to do? |
| 23:35.30 | weez | i have a question I havent been able to google down |
| 23:35.43 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I then used bvi to look at the sharp initrd.bin, noticed it has a 10 byte header with the rom version.. so i added that.. still no luck |
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| 23:37.08 | weez | I installed ipk from the command line to the SD card, but their icons dont show up in QT even after a reboot |
| 23:37.17 | kergoth | weez: what rom. |
| 23:37.45 | weez | kergoth: the 1.0JP that comes on the SLC700 |
| 23:37.52 | kergoth | ah, they wont. |
| 23:37.56 | kergoth | you have to symlink them manually |
| 23:38.05 | kergoth | or swipe ipkg-link from OZ |
| 23:38.11 | weez | into the QT directory under home? |
| 23:38.14 | kergoth | which is a shell script to do it for you |
| 23:38.19 | weez | fun fun fun |
| 23:38.21 | kergoth | symlink the files back to / |
| 23:38.22 | kergoth | each file |
| 23:38.28 | kergoth | into the appropriate location |
| 23:38.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:38.35 | kergoth | I put ipkg-link on my c700 |
| 23:38.38 | kergoth | it saves time |
| 23:38.39 | weez | I suppose thats what the install uninstall program does for you... |
| 23:38.44 | weez | cool |
| 23:38.45 | kergoth | my rom is some weird hybrid sharp/oz monster |
| 23:38.50 | weez | i will look for that.. |
| 23:39.05 | weez | did you keep sharps japanese IME? |
| 23:39.20 | kergoth | yeah, its just a hacked up sharp rom atm |
| 23:39.24 | kergoth | I'm working on OZ for it |
| 23:39.28 | kergoth | but it doesnt seem to like my images |
| 23:39.31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:39.34 | weez | I will eventually have to do that myself |
| 23:39.49 | TDT | I have my SD card in now...how do I have programs run off it? |
| 23:39.56 | kergoth | weez: just wait for OZ for the c700 :D |
| 23:40.07 | kergoth | weez: after i get the image booting, i'll work on the on the fly rotation and Zoom mode |
| 23:40.17 | weez | kergoth: i cant wait |
| 23:40.35 | kergoth | weez: qtopia on the c700 looks like crap .. i cant believe they didnt get a decent theme |
| 23:40.35 | weez | kergoth: thanks for the info on the link problem... |
| 23:40.38 | kergoth | no problem |
| 23:40.47 | raceme | anyone know how to supress songes from xmms playlist ? |
| 23:41.02 | weez | kergoth: i havent tried, but there are other themese installed. are they any better? |
| 23:41.09 | kergoth | weez: nope, they all suck |
| 23:41.15 | weez | kergoth: heh |
| 23:41.22 | kergoth | every last one of them |
| 23:41.23 | kergoth | its odd |
| 23:41.24 | kergoth | ah well |
| 23:41.40 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I may have to rip out whats on the NOR flash and figure out how this damn update process works |
| 23:41.48 | kergoth | JasonNJ: cause its obviously doing something weird thats breaking my image |
| 23:41.55 | weez | kergoth: i have had 3 japanese zauruses before this, and sharp always does a bad job on software. their hardware rocks tho |
| 23:42.13 | weez | kergoth: except the MIEX1 was pretty good |
| 23:42.16 | TDT | It seems like a lot stuff is missing from when I installed the new kernel - is that normal? I have 6 PiM, and 6 applications (and the rest are settings - nothing else) -- I don't even have a web browser. |
| 23:42.30 | kergoth | TDT: install a web browser. |
| 23:42.39 | kergoth | TDT: OZ's images are kept quite minimal by user request |
| 23:42.56 | TDT | kergoth: ah, ok...explains this then. |
| 23:43.48 | TDT | kergoth: So how do I get my programs to run off the SD card now? |
| 23:43.55 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:43.58 | kergoth | you install them to SD. |
| 23:44.10 | TDT | kergoth: I want to, I haven't installed anything yet. |
| 23:44.12 | kergoth | if you want to move one of these apps to sd, uninstall it, and insatll it to sd. |
| 23:45.08 | TDT | kergoth: What about what you were talking about earlier - about having all user settings and stuff on the SD Card so that everything runs from it? so I can flash my memory again sometime without losing everything like I did this time. |
| 23:45.21 | kergoth | eh? |
| 23:45.28 | kergoth | you wont lose the apps, you're installing them to SD |
| 23:45.37 | kergoth | _please_ go read the faqs |
| 23:45.41 | kergoth | this is all fully documented |
| 23:45.49 | kergoth | theres a lil faq on doing exactly waht you want |
| 23:45.50 | kergoth | read it. |
| 23:46.07 | TDT | kergoth: hmm...ok (btw I mean user settings, not applications - i'll read the docs first before askinga gain though) |
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| 23:46.28 | kergoth | mv /root/Applications /root/Documents /root/Settings /mnt/card |
| 23:46.36 | kergoth | ln -sf /mnt/card/Applications /root |
| 23:46.41 | kergoth | ln -sf /mnt/card/Documents /root |
| 23:46.44 | kergoth | ln -sf /mnt/card/Settings /root |
| 23:46.47 | kergoth | ta da |
| 23:46.48 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:47.16 | TDT | hmm...k - i like the bg change options lol |
| 23:47.21 | TDT | reading on that now |
| 23:47.38 | kergoth | you can either install apps to sd and link the data dirs like i just did |
| 23:47.47 | kergoth | or you can mjove your entire /opt to sd and installs to / will go to sd automatically |
| 23:47.52 | kergoth | which is what the faq talks about |
| 23:48.29 | TDT | kergoth: Haven't run into that part of the FAQ yet...the FAQs are quite large, still looking around :) |
| 23:48.35 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:48.52 | kergoth | noda is working on improving the user interface of the faq area |
| 23:49.55 | TDT | kergoth: It's pretty good. some stuff is difficult to follow, but it's pretty good in general |
| 23:50.37 | weez | kergoth: did you play with the 1.0JP rom much before you replaced it? even with 32MB ram I find myself running out of memory often. I had to stick in a sacrifical CF card for swap |
| 23:51.04 | kergoth | weez: I havent had those problems, but I havent tested many apps on it atm |
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| 23:51.11 | kergoth | weez: other than my chagnes to th erootfs, its fairly sotkc |
| 23:51.12 | kergoth | stock |
| 23:51.54 | kergoth | ibot: insult c700 |
| 23:52.18 | weez | kergoth: the hancom word stuff sucks down memory pretty bad, I have had it reboot on me once when it ran outta mem |
| 23:52.38 | kergoth | weez: ah.. I never use the hancom apps |
| 23:52.53 | weez | kergoth: course i was *also* running terminal and netfront and systeminfo and the addressbook |
| 23:53.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:53.17 | kergoth | there ya go :) |
| 23:53.28 | weez | kergoth: have you put opera back on the c700 yet? |
| 23:53.43 | kergoth | nah, i've actually taken a liking to netfront |
| 23:54.18 | weez | kergoth: i havent used the sharp opera but i like opera on linux so i was wondering |
| 23:54.41 | kergoth | imho its not worth messing with, netfront is nice |
| 23:54.48 | kergoth | better than both opera and konq/e imho |
| 23:54.56 | kergoth | I'd like to see konq/e get improved more |
| 23:55.02 | weez | it hasnt abused me yet |
| 23:56.24 | weez | welpz, i gotta take off, cyall later |
| 23:56.32 | weez | kergoth: thanks again for the info |
| 23:56.37 | kergoth | np, later |
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