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| 00:19.02 | LordDavon | Hello everyone |
| 00:19.37 | kergoth | hey LordDavon |
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| 00:38.50 | warmi | re |
| 00:38.57 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 00:40.43 | warmi | kergoth: I remember couple of months ago you purchased a laptop .. what kind of laptop was that ? |
| 00:40.57 | kergoth | nah, i sent it back for financial reasons |
| 00:41.06 | warmi | ah , right |
| 00:41.24 | warmi | well, how about work ? don't they issue laptops for support folks ? |
| 00:41.46 | warmi | that is how I got mine ... hehe , was whining long enough and finally they got us new laptops |
| 00:41.55 | warmi | LordDavon: hehehe |
| 00:41.56 | kergoth | hah, like i'm selling something thats on loan |
| 00:42.00 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:42.10 | ToyKeeper | Fun fun fun. |
| 00:42.15 | warmi | nah .. they will let you keep it |
| 00:42.18 | ToyKeeper | FATAL: kernel too old |
| 00:42.18 | treke | <Sharp> Where did that C700 goo? |
| 00:42.40 | kergoth | s/Sharp/Dynamism/ |
| 00:42.41 | treke | <Kergoth> I gave it to.... uh... Suzuki in marketing! |
| 00:42.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:43.11 | warmi | or <kergoth> what c 700 .. and who the hell are you anyway ? |
| 00:43.42 | warmi | nah .. you wanna keep a good relationship with them |
| 00:43.49 | warmi | who knows what other toys they will come up with |
| 00:44.06 | LordDavon | sharp != Dynamism |
| 00:44.10 | LordDavon | heh |
| 00:44.22 | LordDavon | No love relationship there. |
| 00:45.00 | warmi | well, there better be |
| 00:45.11 | treke | dynamism is probably small enough that they'll remember they gave it to you |
| 00:45.12 | LordDavon | heh... Sure. |
| 00:45.37 | Neo|Work | sharp has, for the record, papers on that you have a loaner |
| 00:45.43 | LordDavon | treke.. Dynamism loves anything opensource right now. |
| 00:45.48 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ? |
| 00:45.54 | LordDavon | Neo??? |
| 00:46.09 | treke | Neo|Work: well if its from dynamism they probably dont |
| 00:46.13 | Neo|Work | 'you' meaning the person who loaned something |
| 00:46.22 | Neo|Work | not 'you' as in the reader of my message |
| 00:46.25 | Neo|Work | DOH! |
| 00:46.26 | LordDavon | Dynamism is funding the loaners. |
| 00:46.43 | LordDavon | Dynamism is loving Chris and I right now. :) |
| 00:46.44 | Neo|Work | LordDavon: hardly loaners from Sharp |
| 00:47.08 | Neo|Work | I'm talking about Sharp. not Dynawhatever. That's why I said that _sharp_ has papers |
| 00:47.13 | Neo|Work | meaning they won't forget you have it |
| 00:47.15 | Neo|Work | since it's on paper |
| 00:47.19 | Neo|Work | unless they forget the paper |
| 00:47.33 | kergoth | but we dont have loaners from sharp |
| 00:47.34 | LordDavon | Neo: Sharp knows my name very well. |
| 00:47.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:47.51 | LordDavon | Neo: They were emailing and calling every day. |
| 00:48.02 | LordDavon | Neo: Until I said the word they hate. |
| 00:48.10 | LordDavon | Neo: No! |
| 00:48.14 | LordDavon | heh |
| 00:48.14 | treke | "Pocket PC" |
| 00:48.29 | LordDavon | treke: Sharp isn't against PocketPC. |
| 00:48.50 | LordDavon | treke: I just don't think they really understand the OpenSource community. |
| 00:49.07 | warmi | I actually thought they would go for PPC model after what happened with 5500 .. |
| 00:49.11 | kergoth | unfortunately a lot of companies who try to get involved with open source dont really know what it is they're getting into |
| 00:49.18 | LordDavon | Dynamism does and is trying really hard to create a lasting relationship with them/. |
| 00:49.41 | Neo|Work | LordDavon: WTF are you smoking? |
| 00:49.45 | LordDavon | If I had to make a choice, I would choice Dynamism over Sharp right now. |
| 00:49.50 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ? |
| 00:49.52 | Neo|Work | did you SEE what I wrote? |
| 00:49.57 | Neo|Work | do you even CARE? |
| 00:50.05 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:50.08 | Neo|Work | I don't care wtf you have to do with Sharp |
| 00:50.10 | LordDavon | Neo: I am confused. |
| 00:50.15 | Neo|Work | LordDavon: obviously |
| 00:50.15 | kergoth | i'm confused also |
| 00:50.18 | LordDavon | lol |
| 00:50.20 | Neo|Work | I said one thing |
| 00:50.28 | Neo|Work | "sharp has, for the record, papers on that you have a loaner" |
| 00:50.37 | Neo|Work | that means, and ONLY Means one thing: |
| 00:51.07 | treke | that didnt clear it up much |
| 00:51.14 | Neo|Work | If you have a loaner from SHARP, they have a paper signed by the person in possession of the loaner which includes things like serial number and the term of the loan |
| 00:51.15 | Neo|Work | that's it |
| 00:51.24 | LordDavon | Ahhhh |
| 00:51.25 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:51.30 | LordDavon | It isn't from Sharp. |
| 00:51.31 | treke | h |
| 00:51.34 | Neo|Work | it has no fucking thing to do with loaners from dynamism or kergoth's C-700 or anything else |
| 00:51.36 | Neo|Work | comprende? |
| 00:51.41 | kergoth | yes, i think we all get it now |
| 00:51.46 | LordDavon | Now I understand. |
| 00:51.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:52.00 | Neo|Work | it was a general comment to treke's ' dynamism is probably small enough that they'll remember they gave it to you' |
| 00:52.04 | LordDavon | heh |
| 00:52.10 | Neo|Work | stating that, despite being big, Sharp wouldn't forget eiher |
| 00:53.33 | warmi | LorDavon: you have any relationship with Dynamins ? |
| 00:53.36 | warmi | Dynamism |
| 00:53.42 | LordDavon | Neo: I get it now... Either way... Sharp and Dynamism know I have loaners. lol... Sharp knows my name VERY well... even though they didn't give me the C700. |
| 00:54.02 | LordDavon | warmi: I am on a good relationship with the owner. |
| 00:54.11 | warmi | ah ok |
| 00:54.25 | warmi | so Dynamism is sort of like The Kompany |
| 00:54.27 | LordDavon | warmi: They didn't expect things to go as well as they did,. |
| 00:54.53 | warmi | a small company almost completely run by a single guy ? |
| 00:55.15 | LordDavon | warmi: Kinda. They have more offices though. Including one in Japan. |
| 00:55.20 | warmi | ah ok |
| 00:55.42 | LordDavon | warmi: I have spoken with Shawn (from TheKompany) also. He is a kewl guy too. |
| 00:55.54 | warmi | well, if you considering folks who work fot TCK and the fact that they work from their homes , one can say that TCK has tons of offices all over world :-) |
| 00:56.18 | warmi | alright, got to catch my train |
| 00:56.19 | LordDavon | It is a little different but I understand the comparison. |
| 00:56.23 | warmi | I already missed one |
| 00:56.25 | warmi | see you guys later |
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| 00:56.31 | LordDavon | Later warmi: |
| 01:42.23 | Cloudchaser | hiya.. |
| 01:42.38 | Cloudchaser | hey Neo|Work you still here? |
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| 02:20.51 | arete | anyone know off hand if its safe to change the default initlevel on a c700? |
| 02:21.11 | arete | I think I want to start it up with no QT |
| 02:21.44 | LordDavon | Edited /etc/inittab |
| 02:22.13 | LordDavon | Change: id:5:initdefault: |
| 02:22.33 | LordDavon | to: id:2:initdefault: |
| 02:22.55 | LordDavon | Or something like that. ;) |
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| 02:23.06 | arete | hey ld, yeah, saw your post on zaurus.com |
| 02:23.09 | arete | but it didn't work? |
| 02:23.14 | sheenmaster | have drivers been removed between rc1 and rc2 of OZ? |
| 02:23.21 | sheenmaster | my wlan card is no longer recognized |
| 02:23.26 | sheenmaster | it's a linksys |
| 02:23.57 | arete | with the inability to restore to factory settings, I'm afraid of breaking it =) |
| 02:25.31 | LordDavon | arete: it should work. what are you trying to do? |
| 02:25.56 | arete | just want to get rid of QT, free up some ram |
| 02:26.06 | arete | think I'm gonna use it for wireless networking play |
| 02:26.22 | sheenmaster | arete: it's loads of fun |
| 02:26.35 | sheenmaster | but I can't get my damn prism2 card up in RC2 |
| 02:26.44 | arete | heh well I have a stock sharp rom |
| 02:26.49 | arete | have a linksys wcp12 |
| 02:26.54 | arete | had to edit the wlan-ng.conf to get it to work |
| 02:27.49 | sheenmaster | I have a WCF11 |
| 02:28.05 | arete | or maybe mine is a wcf12 |
| 02:28.23 | LordDavon | arete: We have some things in store for the future. Please be patient. |
| 02:28.25 | LordDavon | :) |
| 02:28.26 | arete | don't imagine oz has the same problem, but I had to remove the vendorid blah blah line |
| 02:28.35 | arete | ld: hmm? |
| 02:28.38 | LordDavon | I would tell but kergoth would woop me. |
| 02:29.01 | arete | something for the c700 ya mean? |
| 02:29.05 | angry | http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,109096,00.asp that looks remarkably like a PDA i own |
| 02:29.35 | arete | I expect OZ to be released sometime which should be nice =) |
| 02:29.38 | LordDavon | arete: Yup |
| 02:31.13 | LordDavon | arete: OZ is a long ways off. |
| 02:31.21 | arete | bummer |
| 02:31.46 | effy-kun | arete: you skank ho! |
| 02:32.07 | LordDavon | arete: This should be good though. |
| 02:32.13 | effy-kun | :D |
| 02:32.22 | effy-kun | how's it hanging dude? |
| 02:32.29 | arete | ld: well the only other thing I can think of is increased performance =P |
| 02:32.32 | effy-kun | btw, I'm already in Roppongi hehe |
| 02:32.34 | arete | dunno how you'll do that though hehe |
| 02:32.42 | arete | effyk: not bad, not bad |
| 02:32.49 | arete | oh hehe really? well thats convenient |
| 02:32.53 | arete | don't even have to get on the subway after work |
| 02:33.55 | effy-kun | haha |
| 02:34.04 | effy-kun | I aint going to THE roppongi though |
| 02:34.18 | effy-kun | I may look like a gaijin, but that doesnt mean I have to act like one ;) |
| 02:34.36 | arete | don't you miss hanging out with cool people? =P |
| 02:37.00 | effy-kun | bah, I dont miss hanging out with people who think as if they never left their own country ;) |
| 02:37.34 | arete | heh |
| 02:39.14 | effy-kun | so what are you upto now? |
| 02:39.32 | arete | playing with erlang |
| 02:39.34 | sheenmaster | how do I configure a Prism2 wlan card in OZ 3.1rc2? |
| 02:39.44 | sheenmaster | it isn't recognized |
| 02:39.54 | sheenmaster | 3.1rc1 recognized it with no trouble |
| 02:39.54 | effy-kun | what is that? |
| 02:40.08 | arete | a neat programming language |
| 02:40.19 | arete | for distributed concurrent stuff |
| 02:40.56 | effy-kun | interesting |
| 02:41.15 | effy-kun | you developer pro people are l33t |
| 02:41.34 | arete | well I've been working with scheme |
| 02:41.35 | arete | and I like it a lot |
| 02:41.44 | arete | but its just not up to snuff for network stuff |
| 02:41.45 | sheenmaster | arete: it's an RPN-based language, right? |
| 02:41.58 | sheenmaster | arete: I use Java and PHP myself. |
| 02:42.05 | arete | sheen: na, regular old infix |
| 02:42.15 | arete | ahh, I'm a professional java programmer |
| 02:42.18 | arete | but its some boring crap |
| 02:42.20 | arete | hate java |
| 02:42.58 | sheenmaster | arete: I did it as a summer job. |
| 02:43.10 | sheenmaster | arete: I wrote applets and custom webserver. |
| 02:43.43 | arete | hehe why would you write a web server? |
| 02:44.19 | sheenmaster | arete: they needed to parse their ebay auctions. |
| 02:45.11 | arete | there are lots of web servers already though |
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| 02:48.30 | sheenmaster | arete: it also handled orders and stuff |
| 02:48.42 | sheenmaster | arete: it didn't load from html files, it loaded from Java routines |
| 02:48.42 | arete | servlets and such? |
| 02:48.57 | sheenmaster | arete: if I wrote a servlet they would've tried to use IIS |
| 02:49.21 | arete | viruses are nice |
| 02:49.38 | sheenmaster | arete: which gave me enough bs over ESMTP |
| 02:49.50 | sheenmaster | arete: the thing reset ittself once or twice a month |
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| 02:53.25 | arete | yeesh |
| 02:53.41 | arete | running a recursive factorial of 50000 in erlang is no good |
| 03:11.50 | sheenmaster | once again, does anyone know how I can get OZ3.1rc2 to recognize my Prism2 wifi card that worked perfectly with OZ3.1rc1 |
| 03:12.18 | arete | maybe there is someone on #openzaurus who can answer? |
| 03:12.26 | LordDavon | What does modprobe prism_cs give you? |
| 03:12.41 | LordDavon | brb |
| 03:14.01 | sheenmaster | LordDavon: can't locate module |
| 03:14.03 | sheenmaster | :( |
| 03:14.20 | treke|home | LordDavon: its hostap_cs |
| 03:14.21 | treke|home | now |
| 03:15.21 | sheenmaster | treke|home: that loads, BUT my card still registers as unsupported when I insert it into my Z |
| 03:15.54 | treke|home | what card? |
| 03:16.14 | sheenmaster | treke|home: a linksys WCF11 |
| 03:16.32 | treke|home | hehe. Should work if you have the hostap_cs package installed :) |
| 03:16.33 | sheenmaster | treke|home: like I said, it was recognized with no trouble in OZ3.1rc1 |
| 03:16.51 | treke|home | if not, dont worry because it probably will work in rc3 ;) |
| 03:17.15 | sheenmaster | treke|home: how long will I have to wait, and can I still download rc1? |
| 03:17.51 | treke|laptop | dunno |
| 03:19.13 | sheenmaster | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/ doesn't have 3.1rc1 for download :( |
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| 03:19.44 | sheenmaster | does anyone have a copy (sl5500, 48/6mb if possible)? |
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| 07:24.44 | data_k1ng | <data_k1ng> there is no app called mktemp |
| 07:24.44 | data_k1ng | <data_k1ng> any ideas ? |
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| 14:37.38 | Zxcvb | I hear sharp has finally compiled the sd module for the 5500 for 2.4.19 |
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| 14:55.43 | kolla | Zxcvb: what for? |
| 14:56.14 | kolla | do they have a new release of the system OS in the plans? |
| 14:56.32 | Zxcvb | kolla: was on the OZ site |
| 14:56.41 | kolla | oh |
| 14:56.48 | Zxcvb | they released the new kernel, including collie (5500) support |
| 14:56.56 | kolla | so they will help with a module? that's swell! |
| 14:57.00 | Zxcvb | but sd won't be in 2.4.19 until after OZ 3.1 |
| 14:57.16 | kolla | ? |
| 14:57.18 | Zxcvb | it might only be for 2.4.18, but there shouldn't be much if any changes |
| 14:57.30 | kolla | oh |
| 14:57.42 | kolla | so when.. like.. OZ3.2, there will be sd? |
| 14:57.57 | Zxcvb | or even an update to OZ 3.1 |
| 14:58.04 | kolla | ok |
| 14:58.07 | Zxcvb | as OZ 3.2 will be several months after 3.1 |
| 14:58.14 | kolla | anyways.. very cool that sharp does this |
| 14:59.03 | Zxcvb | kolla: though it would be best if someone outside the US reverse engineers the SD driver |
| 14:59.23 | Zxcvb | kolla: both to port the ipaq MMC driver, and to create a reimplemented mmc/sd driver |
| 14:59.34 | kolla | mm |
| 14:59.42 | Zxcvb | kolla: of course, it couldn't even be linked to on openzaurus.org |
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| 14:59.54 | Zxcvb | kolla: though freshmeat does link to libdvdcss |
| 15:01.26 | icefox | hmm I work for Sharp and I didn't hear about htis |
| 15:01.28 | icefox | is it true? |
| 15:01.38 | icefox | can't say |
| 15:01.40 | icefox | both in knoledge and plan |
| 15:02.44 | kolla | no idea.. but without SD support.. -> useless device |
| 15:02.56 | kolla | SD/MMC that is |
| 15:02.57 | Zxcvb | icefox: openzaurus.org |
| 15:03.22 | Zxcvb | icefox: any chance of a reverse engineered driver? |
| 15:04.59 | kolla | sucks that one has to go into stuff like that to get things right |
| 15:05.27 | Zxcvb | kolla: and find someone outside the US |
| 15:05.34 | Zxcvb | kolla: preferably in a NATO country |
| 15:05.45 | kolla | norway is nice, huh? :) |
| 15:06.00 | Zxcvb | kolla: i.e. someone the US wouldn't want to piss off by sending in a covert team to extract (kidnap) someone for prosecution under the DMCA |
| 15:06.02 | kolla | neither US nor EU, and still NATO |
| 15:06.15 | kolla | haha |
| 15:06.30 | Zxcvb | kolla: well, NATO/UN/EU is important otherwise the person who wrote the driver could be kidnapped to stand trial in the US |
| 15:06.53 | kolla | personally I'd gladly go to jail on such basis |
| 15:07.14 | kolla | but.. reverseengineering a silly SD driver.. bah.. |
| 15:07.18 | kolla | it's just a silly PDA :) |
| 15:07.18 | Zxcvb | kolla: but would you want hundreds/thousands of other people killed in your "extraction" |
| 15:07.30 | kolla | would be flattering :) |
| 15:07.35 | kolla | hehe |
| 15:07.41 | Zxcvb | kolla: you in norway? |
| 15:07.46 | kolla | yep |
| 15:07.59 | Zxcvb | kolla: how would the EU respond if the US went into norway? |
| 15:08.13 | kolla | the country of fjords, trolls, midnight sun and DVD Jon |
| 15:08.36 | kolla | no idea, basivly the US is here all the time anyways |
| 15:08.39 | kolla | basicly |
| 15:09.26 | Zxcvb | kolla: no, to kidnap people from norway |
| 15:09.36 | Zxcvb | kolla: or even take over the country |
| 15:10.42 | kolla | well... let me just say that the leader of the organisation the the US poses as proof of a connection between al-qaeda and Iraq is walking around freely in Oslo.. |
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| 15:11.19 | Zxcvb | kolla: but no one has paid millions in bribes (campaign contributions) to have him extracted (kidnapped) |
| 15:11.23 | kolla | Zxcvb: I dont see what would be new with that.. this country has been taken over by various through out the history anyways.. one more or less.. |
| 15:11.41 | Zxcvb | kolla: how would the EU respond |
| 15:11.52 | Zxcvb | kolla: since norway isn't part of the EU |
| 15:11.53 | kolla | Zxcvb: no idea, norway isnt EU |
| 15:11.58 | kolla | why would EU care? |
| 15:12.15 | kolla | 4.6 million people.. and so what? |
| 15:12.15 | Zxcvb | kolla: because EU countries like the netherlands would be next |
| 15:12.37 | kolla | who cares about the netherlands?? |
| 15:13.44 | kolla | well, anyways.. revolting against the US is what we would love the most anyways, so.. :) |
| 15:13.58 | kolla | please.. let them give us a cause :) |
| 15:14.27 | Zxcvb | kolla: considering the resistance in WWII, norway could probably do plenty of damage |
| 15:14.48 | kolla | resistance? have you been watching too many movies again? :) |
| 15:15.03 | kolla | the resistance in WWII is greatly exagurated |
| 15:15.19 | Zxcvb | how about those stealth ships? |
| 15:15.40 | kolla | there was resistance, but it was really mostly guerilla stuff |
| 15:15.46 | kolla | stealth ships? |
| 15:15.54 | Zxcvb | yeah |
| 15:15.58 | kolla | what stealth ships? |
| 15:16.06 | Zxcvb | I thought norway had some stealth navy ships |
| 15:16.32 | kolla | never heard of it |
| 15:16.47 | kolla | the navy at the time was not that big |
| 15:16.50 | kolla | but.. |
| 15:16.55 | Zxcvb | no, today |
| 15:17.01 | kolla | oh, today |
| 15:17.07 | kolla | you mean Storm |
| 15:17.12 | kolla | (iirc) |
| 15:17.19 | kolla | yes, those are cool.. both of them |
| 15:17.26 | Zxcvb | and also a way to detect stealth aircraft |
| 15:17.32 | kolla | but so expancive, the navy couldnt afford them :) |
| 15:17.46 | Zxcvb | do they still have the two prototypes in service? |
| 15:18.14 | kolla | dont know, last time I saw one of them was in Oslo last summer.. |
| 15:18.43 | Zxcvb | still, gureilla action can do plenty of damage |
| 15:18.47 | kolla | sure |
| 15:19.00 | Zxcvb | especially with the information available now |
| 15:19.10 | Zxcvb | improvised explosives, chlorine, phosgene, etc |
| 15:20.53 | kolla | damn.. gotta run and get to the post office before they clos |
| 15:20.55 | kolla | e |
| 15:21.10 | Zxcvb | later |
| 15:26.16 | icefox | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/screenshots/00180_0.php |
| 15:26.20 | icefox | hmm was killefiz hacked? |
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| 15:27.15 | warmi | hi |
| 15:27.25 | icefox | oh I get it |
| 15:27.39 | icefox | someone uploaded that page as a screenshot hoping to be able to hack into killfiz |
| 15:27.42 | icefox | how cute |
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| 15:33.31 | Pendalar | icefox is the php image gallery out? |
| 15:34.25 | icefox | as soon as I can find the fix to get my new site to render on konq 3.1 |
| 15:34.58 | Pendalar | another one or a new version of the old? |
| 15:35.20 | icefox | http://kaylee.meyerhome.net:81/~ben/ben/ |
| 15:35.52 | icefox | 3.1 doesn't seem to be able to render it while 4.04, i.e, and moz caan |
| 15:35.56 | icefox | 3.04 |
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| 15:38.02 | icefox | Pendalar: so probably a day or two more |
| 15:38.03 | icefox | :-D |
| 15:40.43 | warmi | I am happy to report that IE doesn't have a problem with that site |
| 15:40.44 | warmi | :-) |
| 15:40.54 | cor | icefox can i nit-pick on a few items about the howtos? |
| 15:40.57 | icefox | hehe thanks |
| 15:41.01 | icefox | cor: sure go ahead |
| 15:41.08 | icefox | they don't get better unless someone nit picks |
| 15:41.13 | cor | let's see if i can find them again...i seen some stuff last night |
| 15:41.45 | cor | um, wireless comparison...should the SMC card be model no: 2642? |
| 15:41.52 | cor | (not 2462)? |
| 15:43.02 | Pendalar | Linksys wcf11 is usable but buggy, at least under SharpROM here on latest version.. it's a tad better on OZ |
| 15:43.17 | icefox | changed to 2462 |
| 15:43.34 | cor | icefox do you control the sharp dev page too? |
| 15:43.43 | Pendalar | ben will the 5600 flash the same way? |
| 15:43.44 | icefox | Hmm the Linksys seems to be the only stable card I have |
| 15:43.59 | icefox | Pendalar: no, the 5600 has a 16 step flash with 10 files |
| 15:44.03 | Pendalar | wcf12 is pretty alright, but wcf11 on sharp rom is horrid |
| 15:44.05 | Pendalar | ouch |
| 15:45.04 | icefox | hehe there is no way that users will have any trouble |
| 15:45.06 | icefox | :-D |
| 15:45.12 | djk-hw | I have the ambicom works like a charm |
| 15:45.45 | Pendalar | I liked the way it worked now |
| 15:46.01 | Pendalar | if you have problems flashing you ought not to use linux |
| 15:46.16 | Pendalar | is there an offical shipping date yet? |
| 15:46.31 | Pendalar | I wish there was a upgrade program =-{ |
| 15:46.46 | Pendalar | my extra money this week and next goes toward my wife's handgun |
| 15:47.01 | icefox | Pendalar: I am not allowed to comment on the shipping date without written permission (yah marketing...) |
| 15:47.35 | warmi | I can write you permission .... |
| 15:47.56 | Pendalar | ok private msg then =-P |
| 15:48.02 | warmi | icefox: I was looking at the collection of your pics |
| 15:48.05 | Pendalar | is it this month anyways? |
| 15:48.19 | icefox | can't say |
| 15:48.20 | Pendalar | er feb month, sorry I keep thinking it's the first |
| 15:48.26 | warmi | and in the sharp section - I can see Power Mac G4 box next to your desk - are you running one ? |
| 15:48.30 | icefox | warmi: and ? :-D |
| 15:48.35 | icefox | oh yah |
| 15:48.37 | Pendalar | =-P yer mean.. I'm a paying customer! heh |
| 15:48.43 | cor | icefox i have a sandisk SD card that isn't on the "managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml" page, are you trying to keep that list up-to-date? |
| 15:48.44 | icefox | dual top-o-line box straight from apple |
| 15:48.54 | icefox | had to return it last month though |
| 15:49.05 | warmi | Sharp paid for it right ? |
| 15:49.06 | icefox | but I had plenty of fun playing with it while I had it |
| 15:49.12 | icefox | no swap for a few months |
| 15:49.17 | warmi | ah , I got it |
| 15:49.25 | icefox | gave them some z's they gave us a desktop and laptop |
| 15:49.29 | warmi | nice deal |
| 15:49.33 | icefox | they build a driver, we test it |
| 15:49.57 | icefox | or something like that |
| 15:50.29 | icefox | I simply got to play with OSX.... So nice, so clean, so simple, boy do I want one |
| 15:50.36 | Pendalar | I'm not really sure I want a 5600, I mean I don't care about the mic or speaker |
| 15:50.51 | Pendalar | only the mhz.. and since it does what I want fast enough I barely need that |
| 15:50.56 | icefox | the longer battery and 4X flash is what matters |
| 15:51.08 | warmi | yeah, just still too expensive |
| 15:51.43 | Pendalar | unless I'm streaming mp3 over wifi with the backlight on it's batt is even fine |
| 15:57.14 | Infamous2 | 2600 out yet? ;-) |
| 15:57.17 | Infamous2 | 5600 i mean |
| 15:58.22 | icefox | no |
| 15:58.30 | Infamous2 | any date? |
| 15:58.45 | icefox | scroll up |
| 15:59.04 | warmi | hehehe |
| 16:00.21 | Pendalar | you could always post it somewhere anonomously ;-) |
| 16:00.26 | Pendalar | j/k I know how it is |
| 16:00.49 | Pendalar | we have contracts with dow chemical, and we can't even take some things out of the building |
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| 16:01.39 | Infamous2 | i don't see it, i just joined the channel |
| 16:01.56 | Pendalar | infamous : he can't say |
| 16:02.10 | Infamous2 | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 16:02.47 | Infamous2 | any one know of any laptop channels? any server? |
| 16:03.36 | Pendalar | generally there isn't per make channels |
| 16:03.48 | Pendalar | you'd hope to find some people in a channel with the same OS |
| 16:04.50 | Infamous2 | well i'm looking for a channel that i can go to and get some info on laptops |
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| 16:04.55 | Infamous2 | doesn't matter what make |
| 16:05.44 | Pendalar | k... such as? |
| 16:05.55 | Pendalar | they are computers with LCD's attached ;-) |
| 16:06.07 | warmi | hehehehe |
| 16:06.13 | Pendalar | what generally goes for pc's go for laptops, except the pcmcia's and what not |
| 16:06.18 | Pendalar | which even that you can have on your pc |
| 16:07.10 | Infamous2 | ever heard of any KDS laptops? |
| 16:07.54 | kergoth | hey all |
| 16:07.57 | djk-hw | Anybody have hints on how to config XP so that when the Z is docked it does not know out the routing for the workstations ethernet card? |
| 16:07.58 | Pendalar | see a few at.. hrm best buy I think |
| 16:08.00 | Pendalar | hey kergy |
| 16:08.04 | warmi | I heard about their monitors :-) |
| 16:08.07 | warmi | hi kergoth |
| 16:08.37 | kergoth | So now that we have a300, b500, c700 kernls ources |
| 16:08.41 | kergoth | OZ support is forthcoming |
| 16:09.47 | Pendalar | heh |
| 16:10.06 | kergoth | course the code is typical unreadable overly complex lineo crap |
| 16:10.14 | kergoth | but it'll do the job until i start fixing it up |
| 16:11.08 | Pendalar | better than reinventing the wheel and much praying |
| 16:11.20 | kergoth | not really |
| 16:11.25 | warmi | they pride themselves in writing unreadable code ? |
| 16:11.34 | Pendalar | it's an art I hear warmi |
| 16:11.41 | kergoth | I end up rewriting the drivers from scratch anyway |
| 16:12.00 | kergoth | some of them anyway. there are a couple that can be salvaged |
| 16:12.33 | warmi | kergoth: but why - are you talking a bad ( non properly working ) code or just badly written code ? |
| 16:20.43 | icefox | badly stress filled written code |
| 16:22.48 | kergoth | warmi: both |
| 16:22.59 | kergoth | warmi: there are drivers which due to their bad design are flawed and lacking in functionality |
| 16:23.07 | kergoth | warmi: such as, the audio drivers that dont even fully implement OSS |
| 16:23.17 | kergoth | warmi: and the hack of a buzzer driver interface |
| 16:23.35 | kergoth | warmi: or their heavily hardcoded keyboard driver that prevents remapping Fn+ sequences |
| 16:23.51 | warmi | kergoth: yeah, audio drivers sucks |
| 16:23.56 | kergoth | the rest is simply functional, but so badly written and unreadable that while usable, it'll never be accepted by rmk |
| 16:24.04 | kergoth | and I want the Zaurus supported in the official linux-arm trees. |
| 16:24.11 | kergoth | obviously Sharp isnt interested in that |
| 16:24.13 | warmi | a valid code that works perfectly on my desktop linux will play with all kinds of noises and weird stuff on the zaurus |
| 16:24.31 | chouimat | re |
| 16:24.39 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:24.41 | warmi | hi |
| 16:25.30 | warmi | kergoth: basically the only thing you would introduce into official arm tree is zaurus specific device drivers right ? |
| 16:25.51 | kergoth | well and zaurus specific init code, in arch/arm/mach-[machine type] |
| 16:26.02 | kergoth | those arent device drivers persay |
| 16:26.09 | kergoth | basically yes though |
| 16:26.25 | warmi | yeah, I know - init code is always unique |
| 16:27.58 | chouimat | hmmm there is a cat between me and my keyboard |
| 16:28.20 | Pendalar | my cats all have their own chairs |
| 16:28.37 | Pendalar | and they get a bit of water treatment if they take mine =-/ |
| 16:29.13 | chouimat | Pendalar: he want an extensive petting session |
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| 16:29.44 | Pendalar | so do I, but I'm not going to be fool enough to wake up the wify |
| 16:30.01 | chouimat | Pendalar: hehe |
| 16:37.03 | warmi | cvs server: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/cvsroot/webadgen/src/com/tms/movies/webadgen/server/dao' |
| 16:37.20 | warmi | anyone knows what does that error mean ? |
| 16:37.44 | supermatt | someone else is holding the lock pending a commit? |
| 16:38.09 | warmi | no, there are only two of us here using it |
| 16:38.20 | warmi | and I am on the phone with the other guy :-) |
| 16:38.47 | Pendalar | maybe try changing the dir |
| 16:38.50 | warmi | ok , I got it - that was a simple setup problem |
| 16:39.02 | Pendalar | btw that's a horrid path =-P |
| 16:39.16 | warmi | we talking here java code |
| 16:39.20 | warmi | so this is package path |
| 16:39.56 | kergoth | ibot: seen lorddavon |
| 16:39.57 | | lorddavon <davon@ptd-24-198-5-74.maine.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 13h 27m 16s ago, saying: 'brb'. |
| 16:40.08 | kergoth | ibot: seen lorddavon|c700 |
| 16:40.08 | | lorddavon|c700 <~LordDavon@moodme-cmt1-c3-24-25-162-195.maine.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 21h 38m 4s ago, saying: 'It will need hacking'. |
| 16:40.13 | icefox | With a little effort someone could write a killer virus, but then they would have to program on windows too... |
| 16:41.52 | Pendalar | I was thinking about doing that the other day, a IRDA POS and PPC virus |
| 16:42.08 | Pendalar | but you'd have to know how to code for 3 platforms =-{ |
| 16:42.32 | Pendalar | besides most IRDA sends aren't 'executed' they are expected to be something to be stored |
| 16:42.45 | icefox | well coding for 3 platforms isn't the big deal, but simply havn't to do windows code... |
| 16:43.51 | icefox | Where rather then each virus having 1 goal the group would have a goal and the "goal" of each virus woudl be to help the group in its goal whatever that might be |
| 16:43.51 | Pendalar | I'm sure PPC would be easier to write a virus for than PalmOS |
| 16:44.01 | Pendalar | er PalmSource.. whatever they call themselves now |
| 16:44.15 | chouimat | icefox: In my university, some web server were very very very well protected (windows server), just telnet to them and you get the Admin account, without any password |
| 16:44.23 | icefox | haha |
| 16:44.30 | Pendalar | I'd like to make a virus that waits on a tcp connection and radio's back info.. like virus uptime etc |
| 16:44.37 | icefox | I wonder what would be a good goal for a virus? |
| 16:44.46 | treke | world peace |
| 16:44.50 | Pendalar | general data collection |
| 16:44.57 | icefox | information sorting? |
| 16:45.03 | icefox | the ultimate google? |
| 16:45.06 | Pendalar | better punishment for parole violaters? |
| 16:45.13 | treke | more money for me |
| 16:45.13 | Pendalar | I'm not talking steal credit card info's... |
| 16:45.19 | Pendalar | just like platform info.. |
| 16:45.32 | icefox | statistics about who uses what? |
| 16:45.39 | Pendalar | yes |
| 16:45.41 | icefox | hardware wise |
| 16:45.45 | Pendalar | say for a project |
| 16:45.53 | icefox | along with information about the hardware to make a nice big database |
| 16:45.55 | Pendalar | which OS's are more hackable, etc (like we don't already know) |
| 16:46.09 | Pendalar | then have a stats to web page CGI on the server side |
| 16:46.48 | Pendalar | s'what I was thinking but it would be rough making it readily executible rather than sending a virus corrupted program and waiting on them to run it |
| 16:46.48 | icefox | well if the viruses have a "group " goal then we will never know what is more hackable |
| 16:47.02 | icefox | sense the virus might find itself most helping the group by not reporting stats |
| 16:47.11 | Pendalar | hm |
| 16:47.30 | kergoth | i cant believe sharp naems their machines after dogs |
| 16:47.31 | kergoth | collie |
| 16:47.32 | kergoth | poodle |
| 16:47.33 | kergoth | corgi |
| 16:47.34 | icefox | buffer overflow etc? |
| 16:47.35 | kergoth | oi |
| 16:47.46 | kergoth | s/machines/boards/ |
| 16:47.55 | icefox | hehe |
| 16:48.03 | icefox | I name all of my applications after girls |
| 16:48.15 | kergoth | thats better than dogs :) |
| 16:48.25 | Pendalar | erm I don't see why you'd make the virus be most interested in self preservation |
| 16:48.41 | Pendalar | what I was thinking of wouldn't be like.. borg... |
| 16:48.48 | icefox | hey that sounds good |
| 16:49.08 | icefox | group goal = stay alive |
| 16:49.15 | icefox | unit goal = keep group alive |
| 16:49.25 | Pendalar | I think it'd be cute enough for a PPC virus to make it look like a zaurus on the screen.. and make PalmOS'rs look like PPC |
| 16:49.51 | warmi | evil , evil human beings .. |
| 16:50.24 | Pendalar | nah I don't want to harm zaurus users.. |
| 16:50.54 | icefox | warmi: do you think you could devise a virus that wouldn't have a goal to survive? |
| 16:51.16 | warmi | yeah, the thing is I do own Pocket PC device ...and even kinda of like it |
| 16:51.19 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:51.25 | kergoth | well you could, but it wouldnt last long |
| 16:51.26 | Pendalar | I could make a virus that would not care to survive... |
| 16:51.26 | kergoth | ;) |
| 16:51.37 | Pendalar | go in, do a job, hang out if possible |
| 16:51.38 | warmi | that would be one useless virus |
| 16:51.54 | Pendalar | wouldn't be if your goal was small group data collection |
| 16:51.59 | icefox | wait I mean "would" want to survive |
| 16:52.08 | chouimat | warmi: I have a palm , well 3 if you count the two on my arm, I like that little thingy |
| 16:52.18 | Pendalar | granted if you wanted a large group you'd need it to spread itself past from z to ppc but ppc to pcc, ppc to pos, all combos |
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| 16:52.23 | warmi | I don't have a palm device yet |
| 16:52.25 | Pendalar | other than ___ to z of course ;-) |
| 16:52.34 | warmi | they seem to be too small and too underpowered for anything I would like use PDA for |
| 16:52.44 | icefox | hmmm ok Goal 1 survive, Goal 2 gather hardware specs |
| 16:52.52 | icefox | Group goals ^ |
| 16:53.00 | Pendalar | I've had 3 POS devices, but non of them could run sshd and apache in the background =-/ |
| 16:53.04 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:53.06 | Pendalar | s/non/none |
| 16:53.16 | Pendalar | IIIx/IIIc/m505 |
| 16:53.19 | chouimat | warmi: well for learning embedded programming they're ok, if you do abstraction of the palmos api for certain thing |
| 16:53.50 | Pendalar | Palm OS is decently close enough to Qtopia coding |
| 16:53.55 | warmi | is it ? |
| 16:53.59 | chouimat | Pendalar: I have a m125 |
| 16:54.01 | icefox | More like mac from what I heard |
| 16:54.02 | warmi | I read that is is unlike anything else |
| 16:54.14 | mewyn` | *yawn* |
| 16:54.15 | Pendalar | the event structure anyways although you don't always pass it back to the system to handle things |
| 16:54.15 | warmi | very strange for people who are trying to learn |
| 16:54.21 | Pendalar | or you handle pieces back to the system |
| 16:54.31 | chouimat | warmi: fell like old mac or old OS-9 on my coco3 |
| 16:55.13 | Pendalar | it is a bit old since you have more events to handle than say a normal PC app would care about (touchscreen, hardkeys, reset codes, etc) |
| 16:55.19 | mewyn` | ugh. more snow |
| 16:55.27 | Pendalar | Palm OS apps handle events even when not 'running' |
| 16:55.57 | Pendalar | for example they can activate simply because the user turns on the device or resets |
| 16:56.08 | Pendalar | but aren't true daemons |
| 16:56.32 | Pendalar | more or less, the best way I can say it is Palm OS apps are not full apps.. they are sub modules of the launcher app |
| 16:56.43 | chouimat | Pendalar: applet |
| 16:56.44 | warmi | ah ok |
| 16:56.51 | warmi | so basically there is no "main" ? |
| 16:57.07 | Pendalar | not in the true standard sense |
| 16:57.27 | Pendalar | it's not as wacked as it sounds, you just have to understand it's all about handling event codes |
| 16:57.42 | Pendalar | but isn't too far off from qtopia widgets, although more in qtopia is system handled |
| 16:57.44 | chouimat | Pendalar: but the os work, and user don't spend week learning the apps and the os |
| 16:57.54 | warmi | well, yeah, I guess - otherwise there wouldn't be so many Palm apps available if that thing was so wicked |
| 16:58.31 | Pendalar | basically the best thing with PalmOS is break out of the standard event system and get out of the launcher code |
| 16:58.39 | Pendalar | take full control and proceed as normal |
| 16:58.48 | Pendalar | as games do generally |
| 16:59.33 | Pendalar | that's why so many Palm OS apps cause you to have to hard reset the device... if they always respond to say the device being turned on.. and is badly coded |
| 16:59.40 | Pendalar | you set yourself up for infinite looping |
| 16:59.56 | Pendalar | or at least reset/hold up (broadcasts no launcher codes) |
| 17:00.15 | icefox | hmmm push the group behavior and see if as a group it could get "mad" at a threatening source |
| 17:00.24 | Pendalar | haha |
| 17:00.41 | Pendalar | 'don't touch that button!!! aeeeeee..... *poof*' |
| 17:00.53 | icefox | hmm, but how would a virus detect a "threatening" source? |
| 17:00.56 | warmi | yeah, that would be very similar to what you would do with Qtopia - run your own loop and "empty" event queue on your own |
| 17:01.12 | icefox | I guess if it saw others around it diing would the the only way |
| 17:01.24 | Pendalar | if user is resetting the device, stop it .. if the user is trying to clean the registry etc, stop it |
| 17:01.41 | icefox | course that would be like knowing that you are getting artiliary fire from 10 miles away and all you coudl do would be hide |
| 17:01.54 | icefox | or run |
| 17:02.36 | icefox | so if others start to disapear some would propigate like hell while others would remain dormant for a while |
| 17:02.52 | icefox | hehe so evil |
| 17:03.23 | Pendalar | just make the system read only in vital parts ;-) |
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| 17:04.34 | Pendalar | 1) protect group , 2) protect self, 3) help group reproduce, 4) self reproduce |
| 17:04.56 | Pendalar | if all else fails lock down the device to protect investigation of self (could harm group) |
| 17:06.22 | Pendalar | you'd have to have some measures against virus scan'rs ;-) and the creation of a 'cure' |
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| 17:07.09 | Pendalar | which corrupting a VS would be easy enough... and locking the device down from tcp and other communications would in theory stop someone from developing a cure, unless they did so by programming on the device itself |
| 17:07.14 | Pendalar | and that could be stopped ;-) |
| 17:08.28 | icefox | Pendalar: actually that would be easy. Mutation. every group would have its own private key. Every once in a while mutation would modify the key so that a new group could start |
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| 17:08.47 | Pendalar | but what if a group found another group? |
| 17:09.00 | Pendalar | would it invade anyways, or ignore the devices |
| 17:09.04 | icefox | they might fight if the groups found each other a thread |
| 17:09.16 | icefox | threat |
| 17:09.31 | Pendalar | in the end a larger group invading a smaller one would be a threat |
| 17:09.44 | Pendalar | smaller invading larger, larger might see it as a opportunity |
| 17:09.46 | icefox | depends |
| 17:09.55 | kergoth | guys |
| 17:10.01 | kergoth | go create a virus goals wiki |
| 17:10.02 | kergoth | :D |
| 17:10.03 | icefox | the smaller group might like it because the larger group will draw attention thus protecting the smaller group |
| 17:10.26 | Pendalar | because if the virus is the same code besides the keycode, 1 virus of one group against 1 of another would be equals, only size of group would matter |
| 17:10.33 | Pendalar | kergoth yer no fun =-{ |
| 17:10.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:10.47 | Pendalar | (besides I don't think we're interrupting anything) |
| 17:10.48 | kergoth | thats the only thing wiki is good for, hashing out ideas |
| 17:10.57 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:10.57 | mewyn` | what are you guys talking about |
| 17:10.59 | icefox | well more then just the private key could mutate |
| 17:11.06 | Pendalar | or the smaller group might want to become part of the larger? |
| 17:11.13 | icefox | mewyn: the ultimate virus |
| 17:11.14 | Pendalar | that would ensure it's survival best |
| 17:11.21 | icefox | hmm maybe |
| 17:11.34 | Pendalar | in the end, we'd come back to the same virus everywhere |
| 17:11.36 | icefox | course a very large group might see its best survial by splitting up |
| 17:11.51 | Pendalar | after it happily mutates to the 'ultimate' (borg.. *sigh*) |
| 17:11.58 | mewyn` | only thing i can think of is for it to morph it's code to fit a target arch |
| 17:12.18 | Pendalar | yeah it's have to mutate enough that one VS patch could only kill one group |
| 17:12.19 | Pendalar | not the whole |
| 17:12.21 | icefox | of course it might be a round robin thing which would cause the key to _continusly_ mutate which would be even coooler |
| 17:12.42 | Pendalar | each virus would have a SSN ;-) that's sad |
| 17:13.24 | icefox | so the group as a whole could mutate its private id seconds later the old id group would die kinda thing |
| 17:13.41 | Pendalar | oye... I just wanted data collection haha |
| 17:13.42 | mewyn` | one way to make it hard to clean up, is have it do a similar thing, but in different operations as it propigates itself |
| 17:13.58 | icefox | hmm maybe write the exe in small asm for a few arches and it would simply run some lisp directives or something that could be easily mutated |
| 17:14.05 | Pendalar | have decoy virus's making the user think that the system is clean, but the real goes into stealth ;-) |
| 17:14.28 | Pendalar | cleaned rather |
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| 17:14.57 | icefox | well if it detects that its group is disapearing then it should mutate and propigate like hell |
| 17:15.11 | icefox | hoping that some mutations of its children will survive |
| 17:15.24 | Pendalar | so you would have to have it connect to a central tcp server |
| 17:15.30 | Pendalar | to share info |
| 17:15.31 | icefox | no |
| 17:15.36 | icefox | p2p within itself |
| 17:15.47 | mewyn` | but it can only detect if the host executable is in ram... you need to get core OS comonenents infected as a priority |
| 17:15.48 | icefox | just goto an infected machine to get the data |
| 17:15.54 | icefox | grabs the data from within the group |
| 17:15.55 | Pendalar | pda's connect to the internet far more often that to another pda |
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| 17:16.26 | Pendalar | I mean if you wanted it to spread anyways |
| 17:16.30 | mewyn` | if i get this virus, you're all dead :) |
| 17:16.31 | icefox | the pda version should be able to talk to the windows version etc |
| 17:16.42 | Pendalar | mewyn don't use anything but linux ;-) |
| 17:16.53 | icefox | mewyn: haha we wont write it. If we were to write it we would have to code in windows... eww |
| 17:16.53 | mewyn` | i don't |
| 17:17.00 | mewyn` | lol |
| 17:17.17 | mewyn` | linux is still somewhat suseptible to viruses |
| 17:17.19 | icefox | course the p2p network would have to be secure |
| 17:17.19 | Pendalar | I know a few PPC coders .. not sure if I could get them to do it or not |
| 17:17.36 | icefox | so that people couldn't track who is getting the p2p information |
| 17:17.37 | Pendalar | the problem is you'd have to try to not show up in tcp scans |
| 17:17.54 | Pendalar | else you'd know right then you had a virus |
| 17:18.10 | mewyn` | hmm... i wonder if random mutations will work in the computing realm |
| 17:18.15 | icefox | well the p2p could be something that doesn't run 24x7, but runs randomly |
| 17:18.19 | Pendalar | mutate on ports at least and use a low port number (masked as a system function) or extremely high and hope the scan doesn't go that far |
| 17:18.30 | icefox | uploads what info it has to people it finds then logs off after 5 minutes |
| 17:18.32 | icefox | etc |
| 17:19.03 | Pendalar | mewyn it would but some would die off as does in life... poor mutations might mean the reproduction/spreading fails.. or the virus code crashes.. |
| 17:19.15 | Pendalar | the strong would survive, yada yada |
| 17:19.21 | icefox | stay loged on long enough to keep the p2p network up and running, but not enough to be easily detected |
| 17:19.44 | icefox | well if written in lisp the code wouldn't crash |
| 17:19.45 | Pendalar | I really should have logged this.. |
| 17:19.49 | Pendalar | as an afterthought |
| 17:19.50 | icefox | simply do things in a different order |
| 17:20.24 | Pendalar | there we go.. save the back buffer |
| 17:20.51 | icefox | hehe |
| 17:20.51 | Pendalar | my thing is if a user never does pda 2 pda, a virus might not enough know it's part of a group |
| 17:21.03 | Pendalar | and would try to start a new evolution cycle, which would lose time |
| 17:21.09 | icefox | so it would just lie dormant |
| 17:21.11 | Pendalar | but would be more life-like I guess |
| 17:21.36 | icefox | unless it tried to start a group on the pda itself |
| 17:21.47 | icefox | but that isn't good for the group so it wouldn't |
| 17:22.12 | mewyn` | hmmm |
| 17:22.25 | mewyn` | what would you guys do in case of virus checks? |
| 17:22.30 | icefox | hmm I know. The way it would determine if something was good for the group would be if it was using up a large quantity of some perticular thing |
| 17:22.36 | Pendalar | corrupt vs before it's ever run |
| 17:22.49 | icefox | for example it the group is using up most of the cpu on 1 computer that is bad |
| 17:22.54 | Pendalar | and I was thinking locking certain files (read only, in use, whatever you had to do) |
| 17:22.56 | icefox | most of the cpu on 2 computers is ok |
| 17:23.05 | icefox | most of the bandwidth on 1 pipe is bad |
| 17:23.07 | Pendalar | or pseudo corrupt them so that they work but can't be scan |
| 17:23.09 | icefox | 3 pipes is ok |
| 17:23.33 | icefox | actually 3 pipes = 1 internet so that is still bad so it could go mostly on 2, but not the third |
| 17:23.55 | icefox | well how do virus scanners work? |
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| 17:24.02 | icefox | check for cirtain file names? |
| 17:24.11 | Pendalar | welp I've got to run... if you guys want type it up and I'll get whoever on other platforms on it that I can |
| 17:24.20 | Pendalar | remove the vs dat file first ;-) |
| 17:24.24 | icefox | haha inteed what fun |
| 17:24.40 | Pendalar | tc ben, mewyn, kergy whoever else |
| 17:25.26 | mewyn` | they first look for malicious code in ram, then on disk. they compare it execs to checksums, and code to the db of possible matches. |
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| 17:25.42 | mewyn` | they may have algorithims to detect |
| 17:26.56 | icefox | they must for morphing viruses |
| 17:27.05 | icefox | checksums wouldn't be any good in this case |
| 17:27.15 | icefox | same with checking the disk |
| 17:28.16 | mewyn` | yah |
| 17:29.09 | mewyn` | one key thing is this virus cannot do anything noticed to the system |
| 17:29.17 | mewyn` | that will ensure it's survival |
| 17:29.42 | icefox | #define trouble = group decreasing in size || group usage of any resource is high |
| 17:29.43 | icefox | #define high = group decreases in size |
| 17:30.07 | icefox | due to user intervention |
| 17:30.19 | mewyn` | if it's not noticed, if it doesn't cause data loss, if it doesn't hog cpu/ram, and if it doesn't clog net pipes, it won't be detected by norton and the likes for a while |
| 17:31.15 | mewyn` | it'd have to morph it's code |
| 17:31.20 | icefox | of course |
| 17:31.38 | icefox | each goal/instruction would have to be interchangable |
| 17:31.42 | mewyn` | hm... what about runtime detection |
| 17:31.52 | icefox | how is that done? |
| 17:32.03 | icefox | process name? |
| 17:32.04 | mewyn` | most antivirial programs watch for programs trying to infect others. |
| 17:32.06 | icefox | random |
| 17:32.28 | mewyn` | they have a process dedicated to doing that |
| 17:32.43 | mewyn` | i wonder how to cloak the infection |
| 17:33.30 | icefox | well if it was detected then it would disapear and the group would notice |
| 17:33.36 | icefox | and it might freak out |
| 17:33.36 | icefox | hehe |
| 17:33.55 | icefox | the group that is |
| 17:35.05 | icefox | if someone is attacking you what can you do? |
| 17:35.12 | icefox | hide, fight, run... and propigate |
| 17:35.18 | mewyn` | attack the attacker |
| 17:35.24 | icefox | hmm someone is breaking it quick must have sex |
| 17:35.26 | mewyn` | crash the antivirus |
| 17:35.28 | icefox | haha |
| 17:35.37 | mewyn` | user won't think too much of it |
| 17:35.56 | icefox | that is if the killer can be detected |
| 17:35.57 | mewyn` | infect it quickly, disable it's real function, and restart it |
| 17:36.14 | icefox | what if it is just a user going kill -9 |
| 17:36.20 | icefox | kill imediatly exists |
| 17:36.42 | mewyn` | granted you have permissions to do that |
| 17:37.06 | icefox | yah |
| 17:37.17 | icefox | but thinking windows world |
| 17:37.27 | mewyn` | depends on the windows |
| 17:37.50 | mewyn` | it'd be best to get an escilation of privlages to system |
| 17:37.58 | mewyn` | hmm |
| 17:38.57 | mewyn` | this kinda leads to the chicken and the egg situation. you need to disable antivirus to infect system files, but you need to infect system files to disable antivirus |
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| 17:39.32 | icefox | should be easy |
| 17:39.43 | icefox | infect, mutate, watch old one die, kill antivirus |
| 17:40.12 | mewyn` | antivirus programs prompt the user when a suspected virus is attempting to propigate |
| 17:40.34 | icefox | hmm how can a virus "run" when being attacked? |
| 17:40.39 | icefox | spread itself? |
| 17:41.54 | mewyn` | i need to look at windows boxes with antivirus programs to see how they are configured |
| 17:42.08 | icefox | hehe I just need a windows box |
| 17:43.14 | cor | http://ieee802.org/16/arc/802-16list2/msg00794.html |
| 17:43.40 | mewyn` | i'm gonna shower and eat |
| 17:43.43 | mewyn` | bbiaf |
| 17:43.45 | icefox | later |
| 17:46.39 | icefox | Hmm I think it would be cool if a virus could aquire a name |
| 17:47.09 | icefox | like have a common way of finding names within the computer and picking one |
| 17:47.46 | icefox | na, too much work to easy for the user to detect |
| 17:49.04 | icefox | Hmm I wonder if those within the group could kill each other |
| 17:50.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:57.38 | chouimat | icefox: I have a better idea for you, just leat me find something |
| 17:57.51 | icefox | ok |
| 18:00.42 | chouimat | icefox: base your virus on that: http://www.ibiblio.org/linsearch/lsms/tierra-4.3.html |
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| 18:01.01 | treke | staples has their zaurii on clearance. One by my apartment is 270 |
| 18:02.12 | icefox | chouimat: nice |
| 18:03.08 | chouimat | icefox: I know |
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| 18:11.09 | mewyn | hmmm |
| 18:12.17 | chouimat | ulyx slashdot |
| 18:12.19 | ulyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.19 | ulyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.19 | ulyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.19 | ulyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.12 | icefox | anyone know what netgb0 does? |
| 18:15.30 | treke | athlon 64 pushed back? darn |
| 18:15.54 | icefox | intel stick goes up |
| 18:15.57 | icefox | stock |
| 18:17.35 | mewyn | i'm not an AMD guy |
| 18:18.15 | treke | we know |
| 18:19.25 | mewyn | L) |
| 18:19.27 | mewyn | :) |
| 18:19.41 | mewyn | go intel! |
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| 18:21.25 | mewyn | lol |
| 18:22.28 | mewyn | on "The Screen Savers" they are talking about destroying hard drives, and patrick took a hammer to the inside of the platter, and it was a ceramic disk. :) |
| 18:23.45 | icefox | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=callipygian&r=67 |
| 18:23.49 | icefox | :-D |
| 18:23.55 | icefox | What a world |
| 18:24.58 | icefox | I was walking down the street and saw many calliphgian |
| 18:25.12 | mewyn | lol |
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| 18:25.39 | chouimat | hmmm someone is asking me why is LSD screen don't work with his windows upgrade ... |
| 18:26.13 | mewyn | that's because windows is on crack |
| 18:26.48 | chouimat | mewyn: I though so |
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| 18:36.12 | icefox | If you have a 1 time crypt pad and use it to encrypt the next crypt pad is it insecure? |
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| 18:37.11 | kergoth | prpplague: hey dave |
| 18:37.36 | prpplague | kergoth: lo |
| 18:37.55 | prpplague | kergoth: whats up a digi today? |
| 18:37.57 | Wintre | icefox: No |
| 18:39.36 | kergoth | prpplague: not a damn thing, the usual madness |
| 18:39.46 | kergoth | prpplague: how are you doing? |
| 18:40.07 | icefox | Wintre: why not? |
| 18:40.23 | icefox | you couldn't send anything else, but the next pad |
| 18:40.24 | prpplague | kergoth: trying to get life back together |
| 18:40.34 | icefox | pretty usless, but sound right? |
| 18:40.53 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 18:41.05 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 18:41.11 | chouimat | prpplague: anything new? |
| 18:41.29 | prpplague | chouimat: naw, been out of the loop for about 2 weeks |
| 18:42.26 | chouimat | hmmm Apocalypse now tonight on tv |
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| 20:16.27 | icefox | Here is something to ponder |
| 20:16.47 | icefox | if the viruses are trying to be really stelthy and not detected then how do they find each other and form a group? |
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| 21:08.00 | mewyn | icefox: i'd think you'd want to model it after AL not AI |
| 21:09.36 | icefox | haha yah |
| 21:09.52 | icefox | I wrote it all up, but got stuck at the find() partr |
| 21:11.28 | mewyn | well, you'd want a message that can be seen as a normal system event or message |
| 21:13.36 | icefox | yah, but then how would you detect it? |
| 21:13.37 | icefox | :-D |
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| 21:14.12 | icefox | hmmm maybe send out a ping, but the ping would be from an not-very-much-used OS? |
| 21:14.54 | mewyn | you watch for a incorrect syntax, something the system would ignore, or spit back an error, but the virus would catch it and process it |
| 21:15.19 | mewyn | that could be a good way for network traffic. the ping can contain the payload |
| 21:17.03 | icefox | hmm, but you would still have to "scan" the network which is easily detectible |
| 21:17.48 | icefox | at least until you found someone else who would tell you what they have scanned |
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| 21:18.42 | mewyn | hrmmm |
| 21:19.13 | icefox | which you would trust as long as you have contact with it |
| 21:19.20 | icefox | and it wasn't everything :-D |
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| 21:40.30 | mewyn_ | god damnit |
| 21:40.39 | mewyn_ | my connection hasn't timed out yet |
| 21:41.07 | kergoth | nickserv is your friend |
| 21:41.09 | kergoth | ghost baby |
| 21:41.53 | mewyn_ | there |
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| 21:49.17 | mewyn | there |
| 21:50.02 | mewyn | there |
| 22:03.24 | Nazadus | Anyone here use OpenZaurus? |
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| 22:04.05 | treke | Nazadus: #openzaurus |
| 22:04.13 | Nazadus | doh! |
| 22:04.14 | Nazadus | thanks |
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| 22:12.43 | Hellaenergy | hi yall |
| 22:13.41 | sjborch | okay okay, I'm going to do it. i'm going to flash my zaurus!!! :) whew! |
| 22:14.35 | kergoth | hey Hellaenergy, sjborch |
| 22:14.45 | Hellaenergy | jk |
| 22:14.49 | Hellaenergy | Hey kergoth |
| 22:14.57 | Hellaenergy | You working today? |
| 22:15.10 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:15.14 | Hellaenergy | me too |
| 22:15.17 | kergoth | stuck here till 7 |
| 22:15.17 | kergoth | bleh |
| 22:15.25 | Hellaenergy | ^2 |
| 22:15.25 | kergoth | why the hell did i volunteer for 10-7? |
| 22:15.27 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:15.44 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: because you didn't want to get layed off |
| 22:15.48 | Hellaenergy | ? |
| 22:16.03 | kergoth | nah, because i hate getting up early |
| 22:16.06 | Hellaenergy | plus comming in at 10 is nice isn't it? |
| 22:16.09 | kergoth | yea |
| 22:16.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:16.14 | Hellaenergy | I hear ya |
| 22:16.31 | Hellaenergy | My best thinking goes on at the wee hours |
| 22:16.41 | kergoth | yep, me too |
| 22:16.46 | kergoth | assuming i'm sober anyway |
| 22:16.57 | kergoth | coding while drinking = some ugly fucking code |
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| 22:27.11 | sjborch | woo hoo! |
| 22:27.18 | sjborch | (I see the opie thingie now! |
| 22:30.04 | sjborch | I couldn't install it because of the CF formatting, but never tried to format with the Z. |
| 22:30.12 | sjborch | before today. |
| 22:32.57 | Hellaenergy | ibot: zaurus |
| 22:33.01 | sjborch | But why can't I calibrate the screen? |
| 22:33.07 | Hellaenergy | Whats with ibot? |
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| 22:33.21 | Hellaenergy | ibotttttttt! |
| 22:33.24 | sjborch | ibot help |
| 22:33.30 | NetAmp | ibot rocks |
| 22:33.38 | Hellaenergy | ibot is down |
| 22:33.39 | sjborch | ~lart Hellaenergy |
| 22:33.39 | kergoth | ibot's fucked today |
| 22:33.45 | NetAmp | Has anyone had problems with the Calendar? |
| 22:33.47 | kergoth | the bot info items dont workk |
| 22:33.54 | kergoth | NetAmp: define 'problems' |
| 22:34.00 | NetAmp | okay I'll try |
| 22:34.12 | NetAmp | just want to know wheter it's known or I'll report it |
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| 22:34.24 | NetAmp | I have a calendar item, and edit it |
| 22:34.29 | kergoth | TimRiker: hey tim. |
| 22:34.30 | NetAmp | then the original stays |
| 22:34.45 | kergoth | TimRiker: fyi, theres a debian-handheld ML now |
| 22:34.53 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 22:34.57 | NetAmp | and the changed one appears next to it (if I life the start time the same ofcourse) |
| 22:35.06 | NetAmp | but the item after that goes away |
| 22:35.07 | kergoth | report it |
| 22:35.09 | kergoth | iv'e never seen that |
| 22:35.14 | NetAmp | OK I'll report it |
| 22:35.32 | NetAmp | Why do I have those weird things :P hehe |
| 22:36.04 | NetAmp | I read about the D programming language today |
| 22:36.15 | NetAmp | pretty interesting, C with garbage collection ;) |
| 22:41.00 | Hellaenergy | ibot: connectors |
| 22:41.27 | Hellaenergy | NetAmp: Does anyone use D? |
| 22:41.35 | NetAmp | dunnow |
| 22:41.36 | NetAmp | haha |
| 22:42.25 | Hellaenergy | Where can you get it even? |
| 22:42.59 | NetAmp | err I saw it on a DevShed forum |
| 22:43.32 | NetAmp | http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ |
| 22:45.13 | icefox | read the slashdot comments |
| 22:45.34 | icefox | from my quick glance it looks like a basterdized child of C++ and Java |
| 22:46.35 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:47.22 | *** join/#zaurus Mewyn (~mike@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 22:47.45 | oGMo | D, bah |
| 22:48.23 | oGMo | obviously the guy doesn't actually program much, let alone know how to design a language |
| 22:48.34 | oGMo | kinda like a conglomeration of pet features |
| 22:49.40 | NetAmp | haha |
| 22:50.29 | icefox | see you all monday |
| 22:51.23 | *** join/#zaurus sjborch (~sborchert@66.124.48.163) |
| 22:51.34 | TimRiker | kergoth: where? |
| 22:52.26 | TimRiker | http://lists.debian.org/debian-handheld/ <- duh |
| 22:52.53 | oGMo | i think i'll design a language that works by applying martial arts moves |
| 22:53.42 | oGMo | high-kick terminal yelling "hello world" |
| 22:53.55 | NetAmp | hah |
| 22:54.04 | NetAmp | what would that do to your terminal? |
| 22:54.10 | NetAmp | end the session? :P |
| 22:54.11 | oGMo | of course it only prints "hello world" if you applied enough force |
| 22:54.15 | NetAmp | oh |
| 22:54.16 | NetAmp | lol |
| 22:54.27 | oGMo | no function gets called otherwise, so that's how you do conditionals |
| 22:54.32 | NetAmp | block incoming &input |
| 22:54.53 | oGMo | you have an intrinsic "power", whcih goes up and down based on function calls and returns |
| 22:55.03 | NetAmp | hah |
| 22:55.05 | kergoth | TimRiker: hehe |
| 22:55.07 | NetAmp | KO |
| 22:55.51 | NetAmp | I want cool Z games :P |
| 22:55.53 | NetAmp | Oh well... |
| 22:55.56 | oGMo | focus; punch user |
| 22:55.59 | oGMo | ;) |
| 22:56.14 | NetAmp | I just installed Unreal 2 on my PC so I'll be busy with that for a while |
| 22:56.28 | oGMo | NetAmp: yeah same here, i haven't any time to program it at the moment... or play them |
| 22:56.43 | NetAmp | hah! oGMo: you should sell monitors with a boxing glove in them to punch the user :P |
| 22:56.47 | warmi | the only cool thing about Unreal is their new "physics " |
| 22:56.49 | warmi | engine |
| 22:56.56 | NetAmp | yah it's sw33t |
| 22:56.57 | oGMo | i don't even touch my z anymore except for pda functionality, which is why i got it i guess |
| 22:57.03 | oGMo | NetAmp: hehe |
| 22:57.09 | kergoth | i wish i could use my pda for pda functionality |
| 22:57.13 | NetAmp | yah I do mostly PIM too, and MP3 |
| 22:57.16 | NetAmp | kergoth: haha |
| 22:57.23 | NetAmp | you can, believe me :P |
| 22:57.23 | oGMo | kergoth: why not? |
| 22:57.39 | NetAmp | you just have to start using it like a normal user ;) |
| 22:57.44 | kergoth | its hard to do so when you flash it twice a day |
| 22:57.50 | kergoth | at least |
| 22:57.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:57.53 | NetAmp | Then again you shouldn't, since OZ development is important |
| 22:58.04 | oGMo | actually once ruby mephle is done, i think i'll try getting it working on my Z |
| 22:58.11 | oGMo | that ought to rock for pda stuff |
| 22:58.16 | warmi | ruby mephle ? |
| 22:58.52 | oGMo | warmi: persistant network-transparent object dealy in ruby |
| 22:59.10 | oGMo | with ruby and ruby/qte... |
| 23:00.00 | oGMo | writing pim stuff will _rule_... everything will be integrated like everyone wants, and syncing won't be a problem... just o.clone() over the network ;) |
| 23:00.16 | NetAmp | sweeeet |
| 23:00.30 | warmi | yeah, the problem generaly is not with the networking interface .. the problem on the Zaurus lies with hardware and drivers :-) |
| 23:00.43 | oGMo | i wonder if SQLite does blobs though, i don't really want mysql on my z ;P |
| 23:00.51 | NetAmp | high-kick o.clone() into backup.folder |
| 23:00.57 | warmi | so you can o.clone() 10 000 times but if the driver underneath is not working right - oh well :-) |
| 23:01.03 | james_lan | oGMo: too light for you? :) |
| 23:01.13 | NetAmp | I actually want Oracle on my Z :P |
| 23:01.19 | oGMo | warmi: true... although i don't know why people have as many problems as they do, the only issue i've had is with this usb hub resetting crap |
| 23:01.23 | treke | do you want an interpreted language runng your pim :p |
| 23:01.30 | oGMo | james_lan: ? |
| 23:01.40 | warmi | oGMo: if you wanna play with SQLite then I have a very nice Qt based C++ class similar to JDBC for accesing it |
| 23:01.45 | warmi | I used that with NFDB |
| 23:01.51 | oGMo | treke, well, it's all glue |
| 23:02.07 | oGMo | a call to the database, a call to write stuff over the network |
| 23:02.21 | oGMo | granted i'd love to have unity done tomorrow but that's not going to happen :P |
| 23:02.24 | warmi | how advances is ruby/qte ? |
| 23:02.37 | oGMo | warmi: cool... and i don't know |
| 23:02.38 | warmi | does it cover everything available with qte 2.x ? |
| 23:02.45 | oGMo | but if it exists it ought to be easy to extend |
| 23:03.03 | oGMo | good question |
| 23:03.42 | warmi | oGMO: SQLITE doesn't do blobs |
| 23:03.49 | warmi | it stores everything as ASCII |
| 23:03.52 | oGMo | warmi: damn |
| 23:04.10 | oGMo | er... maybe i'll write a separate storage driver then ;) |
| 23:04.16 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 23:04.24 | warmi | but - it has a way to store binary if you want ( basically there is a little helper function to escape/unescape binary stuff so it will work with the database |
| 23:04.52 | oGMo | yeah, my concern is performace though |
| 23:04.55 | warmi | http://www.sqlite.org/faq.html#q12 |
| 23:05.04 | warmi | look at question # 12 |
| 23:05.13 | warmi | it will answer everythign you want to know about that |
| 23:05.20 | warmi | SQlite is fast - and I DO mean fast |
| 23:05.33 | oGMo | cool |
| 23:05.43 | oGMo | if it's fast that's what i need |
| 23:05.43 | NetAmp | hey guys |
| 23:05.53 | NetAmp | when I update OPIE-Datebook |
| 23:05.55 | warmi | 10x faster than PostgreSQL and 2x faster than MySQL for many common operations. |
| 23:06.01 | oGMo | i use tables to make Index objects for quick lookup |
| 23:06.04 | NetAmp | should I install to ROOT? |
| 23:06.21 | kergoth | NetAmp: eh? |
| 23:06.28 | kergoth | NetAmp: you install it wherever you hhave it now |
| 23:06.32 | kergoth | NetAmp: this is an upgrade. |
| 23:06.34 | NetAmp | hm default OZ |
| 23:06.41 | kergoth | installing a package to multiple dests is bad. |
| 23:06.45 | kergoth | and _will_ cause you pain |
| 23:06.49 | NetAmp | ouch |
| 23:06.56 | kergoth | default OZ only includes pakcages in flash/root. |
| 23:07.07 | NetAmp | ah OK i'll try that |
| 23:07.16 | warmi | chouimat: he will get back at you at night when you are asleep :-) |
| 23:07.41 | chouimat | warmi: I know I sleep with me ... |
| 23:07.51 | chouimat | secopnd I == he |
| 23:09.21 | chouimat | lol ... 3 huges maternity ibn Quebec City .... and only 20 doctors to staff thoses clinics ... |
| 23:09.24 | warmi | heheeh |
| 23:09.25 | NetAmp | Unreal II actually uses OGG sound |
| 23:09.43 | nikki | yes it does, nice eh? |
| 23:09.53 | *** join/#zaurus pole (foobar@c-24-118-80-93.mn.client2.attbi.com) |
| 23:09.58 | oGMo | for those _high quality_ screams of bloody death |
| 23:10.12 | NetAmp | hah |
| 23:10.14 | NetAmp | indeed |
| 23:10.42 | oGMo | UT was great, i'm waiting for doom3 though, since i'm not much into multiplayer deathmatch |
| 23:11.08 | oGMo | although if i had something besides a pigeon-powered network it might be different |
| 23:13.05 | NetAmp | ah damnit |
| 23:13.29 | NetAmp | I installed a new libopie1 |
| 23:13.38 | NetAmp | (which is a datebook dependency) |
| 23:13.45 | NetAmp | now OPIE segfaults :P |
| 23:13.47 | NetAmp | d'oh |
| 23:14.41 | oGMo | doh! |
| 23:15.37 | NetAmp | :'( |
| 23:16.04 | kergoth | upgrade the launcher and libqpe as well |
| 23:16.05 | kergoth | and qt/e |
| 23:16.10 | kergoth | you cant upgrade just part of opie safely |
| 23:16.17 | kergoth | api chagnes to rapidly |
| 23:16.22 | NetAmp | hm okay |
| 23:16.38 | kergoth | theres are intense interdependencies on the api at various points, this isnt reflected in ipkg, and wont be until post-opie 1.0 |
| 23:19.10 | *** join/#zaurus ibot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 23:19.10 | *** topic/#zaurus is Sharp PDA Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || http://openzaurus.org/ || OpenZaurus 3.1rc2 released. |
| 23:19.16 | NetAmp | yay ibot |
| 23:21.14 | sjborch | okay, that was fun. Back to Sharp ROM. |
| 23:21.20 | NetAmp | argh |
| 23:21.32 | NetAmp | why doesn't FTP run without OPIE |
| 23:21.36 | NetAmp | that's lame |
| 23:21.51 | NetAmp | what's the ftpd executable called? |
| 23:22.21 | NetAmp | or can't you just start it |
| 23:22.25 | kergoth | there isnt one. |
| 23:22.31 | NetAmp | argh |
| 23:22.35 | kergoth | just like sharp, the stock 4242 ftp server is in the launcher itself. |
| 23:22.41 | kergoth | if you want one, install it |
| 23:22.42 | kergoth | sjborch: ? |
| 23:23.33 | NetAmp | back to sharp rom it is :P maybe I'll try rc2 while this is toast anyway |
| 23:24.43 | sjborch | kergoth: I finally successfully flashed the Z to OZ, but couldn't get it to sync, or even return a ping from the desktop. |
| 23:25.17 | NetAmp | you running XP? :P |
| 23:25.35 | sjborch | 2k |
| 23:26.01 | kergoth | go read the faqs |
| 23:26.10 | kergoth | I'll bet you $20 right now its user error. |
| 23:26.36 | sjborch | I did change the IP address as it said. |
| 23:26.49 | kergoth | where? |
| 23:27.04 | sjborch | Under network, and matched on the desktop 192.168.129.201 |
| 23:27.14 | kergoth | under network where? |
| 23:27.29 | sjborch | On the Z. |
| 23:27.33 | kergoth | wrong. |
| 23:27.41 | kergoth | desktop's network interface needs to be hardcoded |
| 23:27.44 | kergoth | by default its dhcp |
| 23:27.47 | kergoth | as documented in the faq. |
| 23:28.01 | kergoth | cahnge it to 192.168.129.1 |
| 23:28.03 | kergoth | change, rather |
| 23:28.24 | sjborch | under communication options, USB and PDA IP address 192.168.129.201 |
| 23:28.32 | sjborch | (on the desktop) |
| 23:28.34 | kergoth | NOT IN QTOPIA DESKTOP |
| 23:28.36 | kergoth | jesus |
| 23:28.46 | kergoth | Control panel -> network -> sharp interface -> tcp/ip |
| 23:29.12 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 23:30.08 | NetAmp | my friggin' internet connection isn't working either |
| 23:30.08 | sjborch | don't cash it yet. Windows 2000 has Network and Dialup Connections, but I don't see one for Sharp. |
| 23:30.28 | NetAmp | it did on OZ 3.0, oh well |
| 23:30.34 | NetAmp | probably a Windoze fault :P |
| 23:30.42 | kergoth | its under network and dialup connections |
| 23:30.50 | NetAmp | it should be |
| 23:30.59 | NetAmp | as soon as you put it in the Cradle |
| 23:31.02 | NetAmp | turned on |
| 23:31.04 | kergoth | if the sharp interface doesnt exist, you did something bad like yanking the Z without ejecting it from widnows |
| 23:31.07 | NetAmp | with the USB plugged in |
| 23:31.18 | NetAmp | then it should show the interface |
| 23:31.33 | kergoth | in which case, go into system, device manager, find the usb device wtih a ? next to it, uninstall it, and dont do that again. |
| 23:31.47 | kergoth | sahrp exhibits the same beahvior regarding usb network interfaces in 2000 when you yank wtihout ejecting |
| 23:31.55 | kergoth | flaw in the MCCI drivers |
| 23:33.17 | sjborch | Okay, I've found it. What about gateway and DNS server addresses? |
| 23:33.30 | kergoth | leave them blank |
| 23:33.36 | kergoth | faq mentions nothing about them, donkt change them |
| 23:33.46 | kergoth | simply enter the ip. set the netmask to 255.255.255.0, default |
| 23:33.53 | kergoth | ip should be 192.168.129.1 in this case |
| 23:34.02 | kergoth | :D |
| 23:34.15 | sjborch | Why 129.1 instead of 129.201? |
| 23:34.20 | kergoth | 201 is the Z |
| 23:34.22 | kergoth | 1 is the desktop |
| 23:34.34 | sjborch | ah. a little light comes on. |
| 23:34.40 | NetAmp | that would make (Z) life harder :P |
| 23:34.56 | kergoth | NetAmp: and you wouldnt have as much end user bashing entertainment! |
| 23:35.02 | NetAmp | YEAH! |
| 23:35.10 | NetAmp | damn now this is entertainment |
| 23:35.15 | NetAmp | I just did a FULL RESET |
| 23:35.25 | NetAmp | Starting Opie... |
| 23:35.32 | NetAmp | ILLEGAL INSTRUCTION |
| 23:35.35 | NetAmp | waaaaaaaaahhh |
| 23:35.37 | NetAmp | psych! |
| 23:35.39 | james_lan | as what? |
| 23:35.44 | NetAmp | can you believe that, the Gods hate me |
| 23:35.48 | NetAmp | they must |
| 23:35.49 | james_lan | root or user? |
| 23:35.51 | kergoth | same problem |
| 23:35.56 | kergoth | you need to upgrade more packages, id' say |
| 23:36.02 | NetAmp | yeah but how |
| 23:36.04 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 23:36.09 | NetAmp | since FTP doesn't run |
| 23:36.23 | NetAmp | and I do not own a CF card reader |
| 23:36.24 | NetAmp | argh |
| 23:36.26 | james_lan | sftp (aka scp) |
| 23:36.38 | kergoth | right. OZ includes openssh. use it :) |
| 23:36.49 | NetAmp | yah but there's no SFTPD or is there |
| 23:36.50 | NetAmp | hmmmm |
| 23:36.58 | james_lan | by default there is |
| 23:37.00 | NetAmp | so, WinSCP? |
| 23:37.05 | james_lan | should work |
| 23:37.16 | NetAmp | yaya |
| 23:37.27 | james_lan | (I personally don't like that program but it should work) |
| 23:37.43 | NetAmp | well you have a better option? |
| 23:37.48 | NetAmp | I don't have one anyway |
| 23:38.00 | NetAmp | so if you know a better one (for Windoze) name it plz ;) |
| 23:38.13 | chouimat | NetAmp: yup, a little game of roulette |
| 23:38.19 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:38.19 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 1 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:38.22 | NetAmp | As in Russian roulette? |
| 23:38.28 | NetAmp | cool |
| 23:38.32 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:38.33 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:38.47 | NetAmp | ulyx roulette |
| 23:38.48 | ulyx | NetAmp: chamber 2 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:38.50 | NetAmp | ouch |
| 23:38.51 | NetAmp | ulyx roulette |
| 23:38.51 | ulyx | NetAmp: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:39.01 | NetAmp | see, the gods hate me |
| 23:39.01 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:39.02 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:39.02 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:39.08 | NetAmp | ulyx roulette |
| 23:39.08 | ulyx | NetAmp: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:39.11 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:39.11 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 6 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:39.25 | NetAmp | ulyx roulette yourself |
| 23:39.25 | ulyx | incorrect usage: roulette => play russian roulette - starts a new game if one isn't already running. One round in a six chambered gun. Take turns to say roulette to the bot, until somebody dies. roulette reload => force the gun to reload, roulette stats => show stats from all games, roulette stats <player> => show stats for <player>, roulette clearstats => clear stats (config level auth required) |
| 23:39.45 | kergoth | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:39.46 | ulyx | kergoth: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:39.50 | NetAmp | ulyx roulette stats |
| 23:39.51 | ulyx | roulette stats: 10 games completed, 52 shots fired at 6 players. Luckiest: james_lan (100.0% clicks). Unluckiest: treke (50.0% clicks). Highest survival rate: james_lan (100.0%). Lowest survival rate: treke (0.0%). Most wins: james_lan (8). Most deaths: treke (6). |
| 23:39.52 | chouimat | ulyx: roulette stat |
| 23:39.52 | ulyx | incorrect usage: roulette => play russian roulette - starts a new game if one isn't already running. One round in a six chambered gun. Take turns to say roulette to the bot, until somebody dies. roulette reload => force the gun to reload, roulette stats => show stats from all games, roulette stats <player> => show stats for <player>, roulette clearstats => clear stats (config level auth required) |
| 23:39.59 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:39.59 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:40.03 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:40.19 | NetAmp | ulyx roulette stats netamp |
| 23:40.19 | ulyx | netamp has played 0 games, won 0 and lost 0. netamp pulled the trigger 2 times and found the chamber empty on 2 occasions. |
| 23:40.31 | NetAmp | ulyx roulette |
| 23:40.32 | ulyx | NetAmp: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:40.39 | NetAmp | l33t game :P |
| 23:40.43 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:40.43 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 4 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:40.47 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:40.47 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:40.55 | chouimat | ulyx: roulette stats chouimat |
| 23:40.55 | ulyx | chouimat has played 12 games, won 7 and lost 5. chouimat pulled the trigger 23 times and found the chamber empty on 18 occasions. |
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| 23:41.09 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette stats james |
| 23:41.09 | ulyx | james hasn't played enough games yet |
| 23:41.11 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette stats james_lan |
| 23:41.12 | ulyx | james_lan has played 10 games, won 9 and lost 0. james_lan pulled the trigger 13 times and found the chamber empty on 13 occasions. |
| 23:41.17 | kergoth | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:41.17 | ulyx | kergoth: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:41.18 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:41.19 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 3 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:41.25 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:41.25 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:41.40 | kergoth | no kidding.. |
| 23:41.43 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:42.17 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:42.18 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 3 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:42.32 | oGMo | haha |
| 23:42.37 | oGMo | poor chouimat |
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| 23:42.45 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:42.45 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:42.52 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:42.53 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 2 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:42.55 | oGMo | otoh, maybe you should buy a lottery ticket |
| 23:42.59 | chouimat | ulyx roulette stats |
| 23:43.00 | ulyx | roulette stats: 15 games completed, 64 shots fired at 7 players. Luckiest: james_lan (100.0% clicks). Unluckiest: treke (50.0% clicks). Highest survival rate: james_lan (100.0%). Lowest survival rate: treke (0.0%). Most wins: james_lan (12). Most deaths: chouimat (8). |
| 23:43.12 | kergoth | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:43.12 | ulyx | kergoth: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:43.17 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:43.17 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:43.17 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:43.17 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:43.26 | kergoth | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:43.26 | ulyx | kergoth: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:43.29 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:43.30 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:43.33 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette stats james_lan |
| 23:43.34 | ulyx | james_lan has played 13 games, won 12 and lost 0. james_lan pulled the trigger 16 times and found the chamber empty on 16 occasions. |
| 23:44.00 | chouimat | james_lan: come on :) |
| 23:44.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:44.06 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:44.07 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 6 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:44.12 | chouimat | ulyx roulette stats |
| 23:44.13 | ulyx | roulette stats: 16 games completed, 70 shots fired at 7 players. Luckiest: kergoth (100.0% clicks). Unluckiest: treke (50.0% clicks). Highest survival rate: kergoth (100.0%). Lowest survival rate: treke (0.0%). Most wins: james_lan (12). Most deaths: chouimat (8). |
| 23:44.22 | kergoth | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:44.22 | ulyx | kergoth: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:44.26 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:44.26 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:44.29 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:44.29 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:44.39 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:44.39 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:44.41 | NetAmp | ulyx roulette |
| 23:44.41 | ulyx | NetAmp: chamber 5 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:44.45 | NetAmp | err |
| 23:44.46 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:44.46 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:44.48 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:44.49 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:45.26 | james_lan | crazy little timewasting game |
| 23:45.38 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:45.39 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:45.50 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:45.50 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:45.58 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:45.58 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:45.59 | kergoth | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:45.59 | ulyx | kergoth: chamber 6 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:46.03 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:46.03 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:46.04 | kergoth | fucker |
| 23:46.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:46.06 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:46.06 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:46.09 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:46.10 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 3 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:46.16 | james_lan | hehe |
| 23:46.20 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:46.20 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:46.21 | chouimat | ulyx roulette stats |
| 23:46.22 | ulyx | roulette stats: 19 games completed, 85 shots fired at 7 players. Luckiest: james_lan (95.7% clicks). Unluckiest: treke (50.0% clicks). Highest survival rate: james_lan (88.2%). Lowest survival rate: treke (0.0%). Most wins: james_lan (15). Most deaths: chouimat (9). |
| 23:46.28 | kergoth | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:46.29 | ulyx | kergoth: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:46.31 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:46.31 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:46.32 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 23:46.32 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 4 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:46.38 | kergoth | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:46.38 | ulyx | kergoth: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:46.40 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:46.40 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:46.42 | james_lan | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:46.42 | ulyx | james_lan: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:46.48 | kergoth | ulyx: roulette |
| 23:46.48 | ulyx | kergoth: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:47.00 | james_lan | chouimat :) |
| 23:47.06 | *** join/#zaurus khk_ (~khk@roc-24-24-42-21.rochester.rr.com) |
| 23:47.13 | NetAmp | # ipkg install libqpe1_0.9.1-20030123.1_arm.ipk |
| 23:47.13 | NetAmp | Installing libqpe1 (0.9.1-20030123.1) to root... |
| 23:47.13 | NetAmp | ERROR: Package libqpe1 wants to install file /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqpe.so.1 |
| 23:47.13 | NetAmp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.16 | NetAmp | :S |
| 23:47.43 | NetAmp | where's the launcher |
| 23:47.49 | NetAmp | in unstable? |
| 23:47.54 | NetAmp | I don't see it in Test |
| 23:48.07 | james_lan | which one did you flash netamp? |
| 23:48.18 | NetAmp | OZ3rc1 |
| 23:48.38 | NetAmp | I just got the new opie-Datebook from feeds/testing |
| 23:48.42 | kergoth | use ipkg upgrade. |
| 23:48.48 | kergoth | the launcher is opie-taskbar |
| 23:48.51 | james_lan | do an ipkg upgrade (not from gui) |
| 23:49.32 | NetAmp | everything's up to date according to ipkg |
| 23:49.51 | NetAmp | hmm |
| 23:50.13 | james_lan | I did that and I can't get my nic to work |
| 23:50.25 | james_lan | can someone send me /etc/network/interfaces in #flood? |
| 23:51.49 | NetAmp | done |
| 23:51.53 | NetAmp | on #flood |
| 23:52.52 | NetAmp | Can I force a downgrade |
| 23:52.55 | NetAmp | on ipkg? |
| 23:53.25 | james_lan | thx |
| 23:53.47 | Pend-Gone | hey guys |
| 23:53.53 | NetAmp | hi |
| 23:54.02 | Pendalar | how did the virus talk go? ;-) |
| 23:54.48 | james_lan | hostap wants to go into master mode, any way to knock that off? |
| 23:55.24 | kergoth | set the proper mode in wirelss.opts |
| 23:55.32 | kergoth | or iwconfig mode Managed |
| 23:55.48 | *** join/#zaurus Fed|X| (x@12-232-113-54.client.attbi.com) |
| 23:56.45 | *** part/#zaurus sjborch (~sborchert@66.124.48.163) |
| 23:58.08 | NetAmp | hm |
| 23:58.16 | NetAmp | how do you start opie from console again |
| 23:58.30 | james_lan | qpe |
| 23:58.53 | NetAmp | ah yes thanks |
| 23:59.06 | NetAmp | I uninstalled libopie1 |
| 23:59.15 | NetAmp | since I couldn't find an older version |
| 23:59.25 | NetAmp | now it misses libopie.so.1 :P |
| 23:59.38 | NetAmp | but at least no more Segmentation Faults ;) |