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| 00:16.55 | TimRiker | hobbs: XAU? |
| 00:17.10 | TimRiker | ~change 1 usd to xau |
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| 00:29.14 | sjborch | ibot: botsnack |
| 00:29.14 | | :) |
| 00:29.52 | sjborch | chouimat|food: (when you get back. What el gobermente do today?) |
| 00:30.56 | sjborch | ibot see sjborch|home |
| 00:30.56 | | sjborch: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 00:30.57 | chouimat|food | sjborch: huh? |
| 00:31.38 | sjborch | chouimat|food: you were complaining about the wonderful Quebec Government. I was just wondering if they had done something stupid today, aside from showing up for work. |
| 00:32.42 | sjborch | ibot seen sjborch|home |
| 00:32.44 | | sjborch: i haven't seen 'sjborch|home' |
| 00:33.03 | chouimat|food | sjborch: they will add a new taxe of 0.015$ per litre of gas to help urban transport .... |
| 00:34.36 | sjborch | governments have never seen a tax they didn't like. |
| 00:35.00 | chouimat|food | sjborch: it's not the solution :) bbl later my food is ready |
| 00:35.16 | sjborch | I live in the People's Republic of California, so I know. |
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| 00:55.33 | LordDavon | Hello everyone |
| 00:55.43 | LordDavon | Chris: You here? |
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| 01:03.08 | CmdrChalupa | anyone know where I could find a copy of NAS for the zaurus? |
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| 01:03.27 | CmdrChalupa | I basically want a nas client |
| 01:05.17 | CmdrChalupa | or maybe rplay |
| 01:05.23 | CmdrChalupa | but I think what I want is nas |
| 01:05.51 | CmdrChalupa | want to run mplayer on an x86 box, and have its audio on the zaurus |
| 01:12.39 | hobbs | TimRikerGone: Ounces of gold. |
| 01:16.03 | ljp_ | might look at debian arm for nas |
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| 01:43.02 | Zxcvb | what would be the best way to port a pocket pc program to the zaurus? |
| 01:43.44 | TimRiker | Zxcvb: start over? |
| 01:44.05 | Zxcvb | doesn't microwindows implement some of the wince api? |
| 01:44.14 | Zxcvb | specifically the api used for windowing |
| 01:44.31 | TimRiker | perhaps. Pixel is its new name. |
| 01:44.51 | Zxcvb | too bad winelib isn't available on the Z with an opie driver |
| 01:45.22 | treke | yeah. really a shame |
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| 01:55.23 | Zxcvb | could wine run wince/pocketpc binaries, assuming wine was running on an ARM CPU? |
| 01:55.35 | Zxcvb | or is the API based on win32, not a subset of win32 |
| 01:55.47 | james_lan | no one really knows (or has looked into it) |
| 01:55.52 | james_lan | I doubt it though |
| 01:56.23 | chouimat|away | TimRiker: pixil you mean |
| 01:56.26 | james_lan | at least those I have talked too |
| 02:01.58 | TimRiker | ah, yes. pixil. |
| 02:02.57 | Zxcvb | TimRiker: do you know if wine/winelib would be able to handle wince/pocketpc software if it were compiled for the Z? |
| 02:02.59 | TimRiker | I suspect that there would be a lot in common from wine to ce, but big differences too. |
| 02:03.24 | chouimat|away | ok got the pixil source |
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| 02:23.15 | CmdrChalupa | I just discovered that QT has native nas support if it's compiled in |
| 02:24.06 | CmdrChalupa | shoot |
| 02:24.10 | CmdrChalupa | that's only nas output |
| 02:59.54 | CmdrChalupa | wow, you are bored |
| 03:00.00 | CmdrChalupa | (what channel?) |
| 03:00.12 | chouimat|bored | CmdrChalupa: 24 in Quebec City |
| 03:00.19 | CmdrChalupa | darn |
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| 03:16.00 | sjborch | chouimat|tv: watching the Simpsons? |
| 03:29.00 | sjborch | ibot seen bigboss? |
| 03:29.05 | | bigboss <~shawn@ip68-4-243-218.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 5d 4h 31m 56s ago, saying: 'she had something like 600 virgins killed and bathed in their blood over the years'. |
| 03:29.26 | sjborch | ibot seen sjborch|home |
| 03:29.26 | | i haven't seen 'sjborch|home', sjborch |
| 03:29.41 | sjborch | ibot seen bsuboi83? |
| 03:29.41 | | sjborch: i haven't seen 'bsuboi83' |
| 03:29.48 | sjborch | ibot seen chouimat|tv? |
| 03:29.48 | | chouimat|tv is currently on #zaurus #openembedded #openzaurus. Has said a total of 107 messages. Is idling for 6m 34s |
| 03:29.59 | sjborch | ibot seen ibot? |
| 03:30.00 | | sjborch: i haven't seen 'ibot' |
| 03:30.12 | sjborch | ibot who is timriker? |
| 03:30.12 | | rumour has it, bzflag is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or the former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming |
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| 04:09.15 | kergoth | hey oGMo |
| 04:09.22 | oGMo | kergoth. |
| 04:09.26 | oGMo | how goes it |
| 04:09.32 | kergoth | not bad, relaxin |
| 04:09.34 | kergoth | dead tonight |
| 04:09.43 | oGMo | hehe |
| 04:10.03 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: take a long warm bath then |
| 04:10.04 | oGMo | yeah it's been one long week |
| 04:10.16 | kergoth | Ive noticed this room is quieter with all of us in #openzaurus and #openembedded |
| 04:10.22 | kergoth | I think the OZ users just talk too much |
| 04:10.28 | oGMo | hehe |
| 04:10.28 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:10.31 | chouimat|bored | lol |
| 04:11.00 | kergoth | shit, i'm out of ice |
| 04:11.07 | kergoth | brb, goin to the store |
| 04:32.04 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:33.23 | mewyn | hmmm |
| 04:37.28 | treke|la1top | http://handhelds.org/scap/tozaurus.cgi?fn=port.6782.png |
| 04:38.10 | kergoth | treke|la1top: man, thats just evil |
| 04:38.12 | kergoth | ~lart treke|la1top |
| 04:38.19 | treke|la1top | hehe |
| 04:38.22 | kergoth | treke|la1top: you get anywhere w/ qt? |
| 04:38.24 | treke|la1top | dont urinate on me :) |
| 04:38.32 | treke|la1top | kergoth: its not qt |
| 04:38.34 | treke|la1top | its something else |
| 04:38.41 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:38.44 | treke|la1top | maybe permissions or something |
| 04:39.02 | kergoth | compare the familiar boot sequence with OZ |
| 04:39.02 | treke|la1top | I installed the qte from opie's feed at a test |
| 04:39.05 | kergoth | there arent many deviations |
| 04:39.14 | kergoth | familiar's /linuxrc actually does stuff |
| 04:39.25 | treke|la1top | so does oe's at the moment |
| 04:39.33 | treke|la1top | I added the symlinking back in |
| 04:39.38 | kergoth | ah, good good |
| 04:39.54 | treke|la1top | I forgot extracts so at bootup things are a bit less than functional |
| 04:40.06 | treke|la1top | this new image should improve things |
| 04:40.15 | kergoth | extracts? like the /var structure? |
| 04:40.19 | treke|la1top | extractfs |
| 04:40.22 | treke|la1top | yeah .var |
| 04:40.28 | treke|la1top | bleh |
| 04:40.46 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:40.51 | kergoth | i tried keeping var as a structure in /boot |
| 04:41.13 | kergoth | but that sucked, because the perms were all messed |
| 04:41.14 | treke|la1top | familiar does something similar, /.ramfs.tar.gz |
| 04:41.16 | kergoth | i.e. /var/empty has to have special perms |
| 04:41.44 | kergoth | though, on second thought you could do it by tweaking the device table at image creation time |
| 04:41.52 | treke|la1top | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.01 | mewyn | hmmmm |
| 04:42.17 | mewyn | i want to start an internet cafe |
| 05:00.27 | mewyn | kergoth: still there? |
| 05:00.33 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:00.53 | mewyn | crap... now i forgot what i was gonna say |
| 05:01.01 | mewyn | oh well |
| 05:01.14 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 05:01.32 | mewyn | yah |
| 05:01.42 | mewyn | hmmm |
| 05:02.11 | mewyn | i should build a vanilla kernel for my 8.1 system |
| 05:02.15 | mewyn | since rh fscked it up |
| 05:02.33 | kergoth | heh, whatd they do this time? |
| 05:02.50 | mewyn | that problem i was telling you about with pte_offset |
| 05:03.15 | kergoth | ahh right |
| 05:03.32 | mewyn | i tried hacking around, but it totally fucked up |
| 05:06.02 | mewyn | i wonder if there are any helpful patches out there |
| 05:11.29 | mewyn | how's OE coming along? |
| 05:12.04 | kergoth | mewyn: treke has it booting on the ipaq, which is good progres.. the buildsystme is being researched by a number of folks.. I'm working on the OZ 3.1 release myself |
| 05:12.25 | mewyn | cool |
| 05:12.44 | mewyn | i'm gonna be butchering the buildsystem, by the way |
| 05:14.06 | mewyn | i need to use regular shell-utils, not busybox, and it's gonna be involving rpm too |
| 05:20.48 | mewyn | hmmm |
| 05:21.02 | mewyn | i wonder to what extent i should install perl and python in my distro |
| 05:21.12 | mewyn | without development install |
| 05:25.20 | mewyn | 'night kerg |
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| 14:58.57 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:01.57 | sjborch | chouimat: morning! |
| 15:04.34 | chouimat | ulyx: lart sjborch |
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| 15:05.42 | icefox | they sometimes glow! |
| 15:05.52 | chouimat | icefox: huh? |
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| 15:08.42 | sjborch | ibot lart ulyx |
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| 15:08.57 | ljp_work | bot fights! |
| 15:09.24 | sjborch | Yeah, but you have to prod them, otherwise they'd fight forever. |
| 15:14.05 | ljp_work | I have, yes |
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| 15:56.58 | LordDavon | Hello everyone |
| 16:01.45 | icefox | hi |
| 16:02.04 | chouimat | hi icefox Sniper LordDavon |
| 16:02.41 | mewyn` | anyone see this xupiter ie toolbar? its pretty evil |
| 16:03.10 | chouimat | mewyn: huh? and url if available |
| 16:03.19 | mewyn` | go to /. |
| 16:03.26 | mewyn` | it's the second article or so |
| 16:03.54 | mewyn` | if your running ie, you wouldn't want to go to the xupiter.com website |
| 16:04.15 | icefox | hehe |
| 16:04.17 | icefox | yah konq |
| 16:04.29 | mewyn` | same here :) |
| 16:04.30 | chouimat | ulyx: lart xupiter |
| 16:04.40 | icefox | hehe at work on my laptop it isn't letting me doing anything anymore until I connect back into the network |
| 16:04.55 | icefox | the IT guys want to see what I am doing. |
| 16:05.02 | icefox | at least on windows |
| 16:05.07 | mewyn` | http://www.xupiter.com/terms.html evil. |
| 16:05.16 | mewyn` | icefox: too many porn sites? |
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| 16:05.55 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 16:05.56 | mewyn` | "The Xupiter software will report back to our servers what applications may be running on your system ..." |
| 16:06.00 | mewyn` | eep |
| 16:06.03 | icefox | na, actually the only thing I use my windows machine it to export doc and excell files that are sent to me |
| 16:06.06 | chouimat | ulyx: lart xupiter |
| 16:06.32 | icefox | People seem to love to send doc files that are nothing more then plain text, same with excell |
| 16:06.35 | chouimat | icefox: openoffice :) |
| 16:06.58 | icefox | eh I am lazy |
| 16:07.17 | mewyn` | "To further enhance your media viewing experience, Xupiter reserves the right to run advertisements and promotions based on URLs and/or search terms users enter when navigating the Internet." |
| 16:07.18 | icefox | and when kword can't open a file (1 out of 10) then i just export from my laptop |
| 16:08.09 | chouimat | mewyn: wtf??? customized ads ..... damn! I want internet not being sell craps |
| 16:08.25 | mewyn` | this is the next sentance that i meant to paste: "Other enhancements and to allow access, users web browser, start page, search page, auto search option, bookmarks and default error page will be changed, along with the Xupiter accessory toolbar added to the web browser. " |
| 16:09.10 | chouimat | hmmm XXIth century evil: Lawyers and Marketing drones |
| 16:09.11 | mewyn` | "Our software license requires that users browser start page be set to Xupiter.com in order to continue use of the Xupiter toolbar, from time to time we verify that users start page url is set to Xupiter.com, if it is not we reserve the right to alter it back." |
| 16:09.44 | chouimat | ulyx: lart xupiter |
| 16:10.28 | chouimat | hmm I wonder what is that brand new nipple piercing |
| 16:14.25 | chouimat | mewyn: any other stupidies in their licence? |
| 16:15.30 | mewyn` | a few |
| 16:16.38 | chouimat | mewyn: what prevent them to steal my bank account number? nothing |
| 16:17.10 | icefox | acutally they do send any account numbers it finds |
| 16:17.29 | mewyn` | exactly |
| 16:17.51 | mewyn` | this thing is a nasty little bugger |
| 16:18.22 | chouimat | mewyn: and it's legal and when DRM based computer will be out .... *schrug* |
| 16:20.02 | mewyn` | god damn, i hate these "YOU ARE A WINNER" ads |
| 16:20.45 | mewyn` | bbiaf |
| 16:21.35 | kergoth`zzz | LordDavon: yo |
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| 16:22.15 | chouimat | kergy boy!! morning |
| 16:22.43 | kergoth | heyy |
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| 16:24.49 | Shayde | mornin folks |
| 16:24.53 | kergoth | hey Shayde |
| 16:24.58 | Shayde | hey kerg. |
| 16:25.05 | Shayde | today's goal: getting palm apps running on the Z. |
| 16:25.44 | chouimat | Shayde: keep me posted, I can't made them work here |
| 16:25.52 | Shayde | k |
| 16:26.11 | Shayde | man its been a while since i docked this puppy. 192.168.129.... 10? 11? |
| 16:26.42 | Shayde | 201 |
| 16:35.53 | mark | yey, its snowing :D |
| 16:38.52 | Shayde | mm. snow. |
| 16:39.36 | mark | Shayde: yeh its great |
| 16:41.15 | supermatt | poor puppy |
| 16:42.29 | chouimat | mark: where? |
| 16:43.10 | mark | chouimat: england |
| 16:43.12 | mark | unusual here :) |
| 16:44.06 | Shayde | huh |
| 16:44.43 | Shayde | okay, starting qcopilot from the command line i get: 'QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open (4x), then 'No Qt/Embedded server appears to be running. If you want to run this program as a server, add the "-qws" command-line option. |
| 16:45.19 | kergoth | um, you have to run it with qtopia running.. |
| 16:45.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:45.32 | Shayde | uhh. i have qtopia running, don't i? |
| 16:45.40 | Shayde | i mena, its hard to run the Z without it? or am i missing something? |
| 16:45.53 | kergoth | um, my Z is sitting in a console without qtopia just fine. |
| 16:45.58 | kergoth | ;) |
| 16:45.59 | mark | Shayde: have you dropped to a command line? |
| 16:46.06 | Shayde | mark: i'm actually ssh'ed in. |
| 16:46.11 | kergoth | there ya go. |
| 16:46.11 | mark | Shayde: ah right |
| 16:46.16 | kergoth | your env vars arent set in an ssh session. |
| 16:46.20 | Shayde | ahhh |
| 16:46.35 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:46.38 | kergoth | thats not going to help you. |
| 16:46.45 | kergoth | the vars are set in the script that spawns qtopia |
| 16:46.52 | kergoth | sharp doesnt put them in the systems /etc/profile |
| 16:47.07 | Shayde | hmm. hitting the qtopia icon just causes nothing to happen. |
| 16:47.22 | kergoth | Shayde: so run it from a terminal, from within qtopia. |
| 16:47.28 | Shayde | from bash, i get the QCopilot 'template', but no rom start. clears, says "Aborted" then exits. |
| 16:47.33 | Shayde | kergoth: uhh, that's what i did. |
| 16:47.35 | Shayde | i think |
| 16:47.38 | kergoth | you said you started bash. |
| 16:47.40 | Shayde | clicked on the Terminal icon to get a bash prompt |
| 16:47.49 | kergoth | you can run bash from a ssh session the same way you can from anywhere else. |
| 16:47.55 | kergoth | starting 'bash' doesnt imply running from within qtopia. |
| 16:47.56 | Shayde | ah. no, this was a native terminal. |
| 16:48.00 | Shayde | sorry, i was unclear. |
| 16:48.09 | kergoth | i dunno what that error is then |
| 16:48.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:48.14 | Shayde | "I started terminal, ran qcopilot from the z native, and it no workie." |
| 16:48.47 | chouimat | Shayde: same with qpose? |
| 16:48.53 | Shayde | haven't tried qpose yet. |
| 16:48.57 | Shayde | this -may- be a problem with my rom image. |
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| 16:53.01 | Shayde | hmm. |
| 16:56.25 | Shayde | aaaand promptly runs out of space. :( |
| 16:56.33 | Shayde | can ipkg show me all the packages installed? |
| 16:56.43 | kergoth | ipkg status |
| 16:57.38 | Shayde | danke |
| 16:59.36 | cor | wow, that provides a nice little report |
| 17:00.27 | Shayde | arrgh |
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| 17:03.18 | Shayde | okay, /usr/mnt.rom/card/ is the SDRAM card slot, right? i'd like to drop my qpose distribution files in there (i'm running out of space on the internal ram). but i'm getting a Read-only file system when i try to mv the files there. |
| 17:09.22 | Shayde | bah, i love it when people upload .prc's to ZSI. |
| 17:25.58 | Hellaenergy | Anyone going to LinuxWorld? |
| 17:26.05 | treke | in June? |
| 17:26.08 | treke | I might |
| 17:26.18 | Hellaenergy | Where is it |
| 17:26.36 | treke | its usually in san fransisco |
| 17:27.13 | treke | rer, its in August |
| 17:27.35 | Hellaenergy | I thought it was right now |
| 17:27.37 | Shayde | i should get linuxworld to use CONGO for registration. Bwahhaha. 8) |
| 17:27.45 | Shayde | "you run a linux con? you should use linux apps!" |
| 17:27.49 | treke | Hellaenergy: nope. |
| 17:27.54 | treke | Hellaenergy: The last one is over |
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| 17:41.25 | mewyn` | damnit! |
| 17:41.27 | mewyn` | now my mouse doesn't work! |
| 17:41.35 | mewyn` | maybe i should just go back to WINDOWS |
| 17:41.47 | Shayde | heh |
| 17:42.18 | mark | mewyn: yeh, coz everything works there ;) |
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| 17:43.34 | djk | mewyn`: don't do it the darkside will suck the life out of you ;-) |
| 17:43.53 | treke | djk: you say that like it would be a bad thing |
| 17:43.57 | mewyn` | linux is doing the same thing as of late |
| 17:45.01 | djk | mewyn`: well any tech thing can if you let it but at least linux lets you be creative |
| 17:45.33 | djk | treke: each OS has its place |
| 17:45.53 | mewyn` | now let's see if this works |
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| 17:47.57 | mewyn` | finally! |
| 17:48.08 | mewyn` | i got the nvidia drivers working |
| 17:48.21 | mewyn` | took a new kernel and my mouse not working to do it |
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| 18:01.33 | djk | memyn`: what distribution are you using? |
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| 18:10.07 | Neo|Work | Gah. Second AOLer to buy the Strategic Assault addon for the Zaurus when they have Pocket PC... |
| 18:10.20 | treke | hehe |
| 18:10.42 | treke | all sales are final :) |
| 18:18.25 | raduga | Heh, |
| 18:18.49 | raduga | I was in a Fry's Electronics, a few days after christmas, over by their lineup of handhelds, |
| 18:19.11 | raduga | and there was an old man who wanted to know some info on the Zaurus. |
| 18:19.25 | raduga | I tried to help him out, and then a store employee came swooping down... |
| 18:19.46 | raduga | and said the Expert was on his way. (I.E a Microsoft sales droid!) |
| 18:19.54 | ljp_work | and they probably spoiled the sale |
| 18:20.10 | raduga | i pointed ou that the Microsoft guy was not going to be able to help him with his Zaurus question, but the employee shooed me away. |
| 18:20.17 | raduga | I stood by at a respectable distance to watch. |
| 18:21.05 | raduga | Mr Microsoft started with his schpiel about how ALL of the pocket-pc machines were wonders of modern technology, but the old man interrupted him with, "But what about this one?" |
| 18:21.13 | raduga | Mr Microsoft's eyes glazed over |
| 18:21.23 | raduga | and he started drooling |
| 18:22.18 | raduga | then the old man asked, "well, ok, I give up on the Zaurus. Tell me, where I can get a decent database application for one of these others?" |
| 18:22.34 | raduga | Mr Microsoft began in with "excel blah blah" |
| 18:22.43 | raduga | but spreadsheet wasn't what he wanted. |
| 18:23.07 | victorvdl | :-) |
| 18:23.09 | raduga | I peeped in from the peanut gallery that MySQL was FREE! |
| 18:23.20 | raduga | Mr Microsoft, realising he was beaten, turned tail and fled |
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| 18:23.52 | warmi | hi |
| 18:23.56 | raduga | hi |
| 18:23.57 | Hellaenergy | hi |
| 18:24.08 | kergoth | hi |
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| 18:24.17 | kergoth | LordDavon|C700: yo |
| 18:24.31 | LordDavon|C700 | heya K |
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| 18:24.43 | raduga | How's the C700? :) |
| 18:24.43 | frankps | hi all |
| 18:24.49 | LordDavon|C700 | friggin cable modem keeps going down |
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| 18:34.21 | LordDavon|C700 | raduga: It is nice |
| 18:34.21 | LordDavon|C700 | ,msg kergoth you there |
| 18:34.21 | LordDavon|C700 | heh oops |
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| 18:35.26 | LordDavon|C700 | AcK. I hate my cable modem |
| 18:35.30 | Neo|Work | hah |
| 18:35.56 | Neo|Work | Norgweigan politician was playing Metallion on his PocketPC during session in Stortinget. :P |
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| 18:36.45 | raduga | was it an Ipaq? Or an Iraq? :P |
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| 18:39.04 | warmi | Neo|Work: I saw some messages on zaurus/dev/board where people complained about your games ipkgs not working properly on C 700 |
| 18:39.31 | warmi | the funny thing is that these were only ipkg problems - when installed manually the games worked |
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| 18:40.30 | LordDavon|C700 | I had no problems with the demos |
| 18:41.18 | warmi | good, this means that apps which are using direct frame buffer memory work fine with C 700 |
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| 18:46.44 | LordDavon|C700 | yes warmi |
| 18:49.34 | Neo|Work | warmi: I can't test myself at this point, which is why I don't say I support the C700 |
| 18:49.58 | Neo|Work | wouldn't surprise me if the install problems were the same as usual. :P /tmp space and all that crap |
| 18:52.27 | LordDavon|C700 | I had no problems installing SA |
| 18:53.47 | mark | warmi: oh, thats cool. very cool |
| 18:55.51 | treke | LordDavon|C700: does the C700 use the shell ipkg or C ipkg? |
| 18:56.00 | LordDavon|C700 | shell |
| 18:56.02 | kergoth | treke: shell. its embedix plus, old. |
| 18:56.04 | Neo|Work | warmi: and yes, they must somehow actually change resolution or use pixel-doubling or something (and of course non-linear framebuffer) |
| 18:56.27 | treke | scary |
| 18:56.39 | LordDavon|C700 | it works. |
| 18:56.49 | raduga | what are the linear dimensions of the screen? |
| 18:56.52 | raduga | what size? |
| 18:57.09 | Neo|Work | well, the res is 640x480 |
| 18:57.14 | Neo|Work | I don't know the memory layout though |
| 18:57.25 | raduga | i know the res. |
| 18:57.25 | Neo|Work | but I assume it's just that, 640x480 |
| 18:57.29 | raduga | how BIG is it? |
| 18:57.47 | LordDavon|C700 | 3.7 |
| 18:57.55 | raduga | square? |
| 18:57.58 | raduga | or is that diagonal? |
| 18:58.13 | treke | raduga: looks to be similar in size to the ipaq or sl5500 screen |
| 18:58.35 | LordDavon|C700 | same as ipaq |
| 18:58.39 | Neo|Work | oh, size |
| 18:58.51 | warmi | Neo|Work: is SDL implementation still dependant on 240x320 size when doing rotating blit ? |
| 18:58.53 | treke | LordDavon|C700: so its a little bigger than that sl5500? |
| 18:58.54 | treke | cool |
| 18:59.03 | Neo|Work | warmi: yes. I haven't done anything with it |
| 18:59.05 | LordDavon|C700 | Yes |
| 18:59.23 | warmi | great then it means they are doing this 320x240 emulation on framebuffer level and not Qte |
| 18:59.26 | LordDavon|C700 | Neo: They are removing the 320x240 lock |
| 18:59.31 | Neo|Work | I will get to it once I try to make Candy Cruncher and NingPo work on it in full resolution. :P |
| 18:59.32 | frankps | And the battery life for C700? How long is it? |
| 18:59.35 | Neo|Work | s/it/Qtopia/ even |
| 18:59.42 | raduga | frankps: short. |
| 18:59.51 | raduga | no real firm numbers on it, but "short" |
| 18:59.52 | LordDavon|C700 | frank: 2.5 hours usual use |
| 19:00.00 | LordDavon|C700 | same as 5500 |
| 19:00.00 | frankps | I have heard 1 hour |
| 19:00.07 | frankps | so then a bit better :-) |
| 19:00.10 | Neo|Work | So why does JasonNJ claim < 1 hr? like 20-40 minutes? |
| 19:00.30 | victorvdl | He turns his light all the way up? ;-) |
| 19:00.34 | LordDavon|C700 | I have 2 units here and both are the same |
| 19:00.39 | kergoth | i can use my c700 with the light at its lowest level |
| 19:00.44 | warmi | Neo|Work: is there some sort of FAQ as how to compile a simple SDL app for the zaurus ? |
| 19:00.47 | kergoth | without any problems whatsoever with readability |
| 19:00.49 | raduga | I've heard that there are extended or larger batteries available. |
| 19:00.56 | Neo|Work | warmi: no, but thjere's no magic |
| 19:00.59 | raduga | anyone else know of such a thing? |
| 19:01.00 | LordDavon|C700 | No need to crank the light. Bright screen |
| 19:01.06 | Neo|Work | build SDL as per the README.qtopia instructions |
| 19:01.09 | mark | warmi: you still tempted with one? |
| 19:01.18 | Neo|Work | and then compile the SDL app as usual, using the correct sdl-config form the SDL you just compiled |
| 19:01.23 | kergoth | raduga: you can put a 5600/b500 battery in it |
| 19:01.27 | kergoth | raduga: (c700) |
| 19:01.27 | frankps | Hm. I think that I should visit my neighboor one of these days (Trolltech). I want to try it!!! |
| 19:01.34 | Neo|Work | kergoth: it fits? |
| 19:01.43 | Neo|Work | because it doesn't fit in the 5500 since it's bigger.. |
| 19:01.52 | kergoth | apparently theres a small bit of hacking involved |
| 19:01.58 | kergoth | its on numerous japanese sites |
| 19:02.02 | raduga | kergoth: will te 5600/b500 have greater capacity? |
| 19:02.03 | kergoth | quite a few people have done it |
| 19:02.04 | raduga | or the same? |
| 19:02.04 | LordDavon|C700 | It will need hacking |
| 19:02.11 | kergoth | raduga: 5600 is 1400 or 1500 maH iirc |
| 19:02.14 | warmi | mark: no, I amj just about done with my custom ASM ZSurface class and I have a little testing app that displays 500 32x32 non-rectangular sprites with scrolling background at 30 frames per sec |
| 19:02.16 | kergoth | raduga: c700 and 5000d/5500 is 950 |
| 19:02.25 | warmi | I wanna see how many I can get using SDL |
| 19:02.42 | warmi | and see if my code is faster then SDL |
| 19:02.54 | Neo|Work | SDL has x86 blitting asm but not arm |
| 19:03.05 | treke | kergoth: 1800 |
| 19:03.12 | Neo|Work | actually, dude, you should get your blitting asm, if it's usablt, into SDL for ARM. :) |
| 19:03.14 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:03.49 | warmi | well, that would easy to do since my code works with standard memory ( rotating blit is done at the very end just like with SDL) |
| 19:03.55 | warmi | but first I wanna see if this is any faster |
| 19:04.28 | warmi | well, I do have SDL installed on my laptop |
| 19:04.57 | warmi | but that came with RH 7.3 |
| 19:05.10 | warmi | I guess I will have to recompile it for arm or something |
| 19:05.23 | warmi | mark: you were able to compile SDL apps for the zaurus ? |
| 19:06.37 | Neo|Work | warmi: as I said, README.qtopia. :P |
| 19:06.38 | warmi | anyway, I will read that qtopia.readme |
| 19:06.41 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:06.42 | Neo|Work | in the SDL CVS. :) |
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| 19:07.12 | Neo|Work | I actually think it could be easier using the configure command to set the prefix name of apps.. |
| 19:07.21 | Neo|Work | which I didn't know of when I wrote it originally |
| 19:07.41 | warmi | well, will see |
| 19:07.42 | Shayde | whoah |
| 19:07.48 | Shayde | the 5600 battery can be hacked into the 5500 chassis? |
| 19:07.49 | LordDavon | warmi: Use handhelds.org to compile your apps. SDL is setup on it in /user/guest/Qtopia |
| 19:07.52 | warmi | last time I had hell of a time but I wasn't really trying hard enough |
| 19:08.01 | Shayde | what sort of time/extended life do you get with the 5600 vs the 5500 battery? |
| 19:08.05 | Shayde | i'm getting about 2hrs worth now. |
| 19:10.17 | mark | warmi: yeh, its not too bad |
| 19:10.28 | Neo|Work | warmi: what kind of blitting does your blitter support? |
| 19:10.31 | LordDavon | warmi: There is an env file in my home directory. Just source it and your all set. |
| 19:10.43 | warmi | http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/SDL12/README.Qtopia?rev=1.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup |
| 19:10.49 | warmi | yeah, that looks very clear to me |
| 19:10.50 | Neo|Work | per-surface alpha, per-pixel alpha (or masked) etc? |
| 19:10.59 | warmi | I just never bothered to read that - |
| 19:11.03 | warmi | that was my problem :-) |
| 19:11.08 | Neo|Work | and does it do per-surface alpha AND per-pixel alpha? |
| 19:11.31 | warmi | Neo|Work: right now I have masked per pixel + solid |
| 19:11.34 | warmi | and working on alpha |
| 19:11.36 | Neo|Work | ok |
| 19:11.46 | warmi | I am trying to duplicate functionality of gapidraw.com for WindowsCE |
| 19:11.55 | warmi | cause I use that for my CE versions |
| 19:12.37 | warmi | well, I am happy to report that gapidraw.com on ipaq ( the same specs as zaurus) maxes out at 120 sprites per screen with 32 fps |
| 19:13.08 | warmi | so obviously either my code is much faster or zaurus hardware is somehow faster (memory timings perhaps ? ) than ipaqs |
| 19:13.15 | Neo|Work | it's not |
| 19:13.17 | Neo|Work | hardware that is |
| 19:13.38 | warmi | well, anyway - the trick was to never write words |
| 19:13.46 | raduga | maybe zaurus are just better, in some ineffable way? |
| 19:13.47 | warmi | always use dwords ( 2 pixels at a time) |
| 19:13.56 | Neo|Work | it seems to perform just about exactly as fast as PocketPC as long as you don't use stuff like tan/atan etc |
| 19:14.11 | warmi | even if it means you have to shift values in registers ( as for example when stuff is not aligned ) |
| 19:14.19 | Neo|Work | which there seems to be fast fixed point implementations for PocketPC while the Zaurus has normal slow ass floating point versions |
| 19:14.33 | Neo|Work | raduga: as I said, it is not |
| 19:14.53 | warmi | Neo|Work: do you have a PocketPC to play with ? |
| 19:15.01 | Neo|Work | warmi: and yes, that's what I do (always write a word == 32 bit) |
| 19:15.11 | Neo|Work | mind you a "word" is 32 bits on most modern hardware. |
| 19:15.21 | Neo|Work | dword is some old leftover crap from when a word was 16 bit |
| 19:15.27 | Neo|Work | warmi: no I do not |
| 19:15.36 | warmi | yeah, well, I should say halfword |
| 19:15.47 | warmi | ldrh instruction as opposed to ldr |
| 19:15.58 | Neo|Work | it shows why you shouldn't use names such as WORD and DWORD |
| 19:16.22 | Neo|Work | since well, they still are named WORD and DWORD despite the fact that they are no longer a word or double-word. :) |
| 19:16.44 | warmi | yeah, but I just follow whatever they use in official ARM docs etc |
| 19:16.47 | warmi | but you are right |
| 19:16.56 | warmi | this stuff is getting confusing these days |
| 19:17.08 | mewyn` | warmi: any news? |
| 19:17.39 | treke | warmi: What ipaq are you using? |
| 19:17.59 | treke | the 3800 is supposedly a tad slower than the 3700 and 3600 |
| 19:18.16 | warmi | 3835 |
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| 19:18.25 | Neo|Work | 3800 is slower how? |
| 19:18.33 | treke | Neo|Work: no clue |
| 19:18.36 | Neo|Work | I know people that don't KNOW how the framebuffer is layed out get it slower |
| 19:18.43 | Neo|Work | because it has different rotation |
| 19:19.04 | oGMo | 3800? |
| 19:19.04 | Neo|Work | but Microsoft gives back a "correctly rotated" framebuffer which is then copied / flipped AGAIN upon blitting |
| 19:19.14 | Neo|Work | so you need to use a fixed address for the framebuffer. :P |
| 19:19.22 | treke | that doesnt sound good :) |
| 19:19.27 | Neo|Work | kinda lame |
| 19:19.42 | Neo|Work | anyone who does anything for pocketpc needs to know and bypass that "feature" |
| 19:19.50 | Neo|Work | or updates of the screeen will take 2x as long |
| 19:20.02 | treke | that actually could be the cause of it |
| 19:20.12 | treke | who knows why the flipped the screen for the 3800 |
| 19:20.14 | warmi | Neo|Work: gapidraw.com code uses prerotated buffers |
| 19:20.32 | warmi | and frankly, he claimed that it was done not to speed up rendering ( which is minimal) |
| 19:20.33 | oGMo | won't rotated screens be slower than not no matter what, since you can't blit words at a time? |
| 19:20.39 | warmi | but to avoid tearing when doing final blit |
| 19:20.53 | warmi | for with prerotated blit you can go in linear fashion |
| 19:21.05 | warmi | soemthing like that |
| 19:21.16 | warmi | I use rotating blit and I don't see any tearing |
| 19:21.28 | Neo|Work | I have never seen any tearing |
| 19:21.28 | mark | warmi: how on earth do you know all this stuff? :) |
| 19:21.33 | Neo|Work | ever |
| 19:21.37 | treke | for some reason they went back to 270 on the 3900 |
| 19:21.49 | treke | leaving only the 3100 and 3800 at 90 |
| 19:21.51 | warmi | treke: btw ... Toshiba PocketPC are terrible as far as blitting - literally 60 % performance hit |
| 19:22.00 | treke | warmi: ouch |
| 19:22.11 | treke | oh well. the other stuff looks nice :) |
| 19:22.25 | warmi | mark: http://forums.pocketmatrix.com/viewforum.php?f=5 |
| 19:22.27 | Neo|Work | treke: then again, why does the A300 use no rotation? :) |
| 19:22.37 | Neo|Work | and who knows what the 5600 has, or C700/B500.. |
| 19:22.45 | treke | hehe. at least sharp has been somewhat consistant so far :) |
| 19:22.59 | Neo|Work | at least Qtopia gives you the "correct" buffer and rotation info |
| 19:23.01 | warmi | Neo|Work: a300 has no rotation ? |
| 19:23.18 | mark | warmi: right |
| 19:24.04 | warmi | recently they posted an example of heavily optimized memcpy written for Xscale ( also working on older arm) |
| 19:24.18 | warmi | but on XScale this thing was supposed to be like 2 times faster |
| 19:25.10 | Neo|Work | see, crap like that is something I have no clue about. :P |
| 19:25.21 | Neo|Work | and also I never had a problem in any of the games I've ported due to that |
| 19:25.33 | Neo|Work | the only problem I have had with performance is QE!$#!@# touchscreen |
| 19:25.52 | warmi | Neo|Work: oh speaking of that |
| 19:26.16 | warmi | I found something interesting |
| 19:26.49 | warmi | my demo app doesn't slow down at all even when pressing heavily on touchscreen |
| 19:27.12 | warmi | frankly, with that demo I don't do any events catching - it just runs but it is interesting that there is no slowdown |
| 19:27.20 | warmi | and I haven't done anything special tehre |
| 19:27.31 | warmi | I will post demo app and source code sometimes this weekend |
| 19:27.51 | Neo|Work | what do you mean "no event catching"? |
| 19:28.13 | Neo|Work | it's not _handling_ the events thats slow necessarily, but processing them.. |
| 19:28.27 | Neo|Work | it might be that you're fast enough so it doesn't matter |
| 19:29.11 | warmi | well, oh , never mind then - I don't do any processing within that demo - it simply runs on its own bouncing sprites back and forth |
| 19:29.26 | warmi | so , I guess , when I do introduce processing it will slow down :-) |
| 19:29.52 | warmi | anyway, if you are interested - optimized Xscale memcpy can be found there :http://forums.pocketmatrix.com/viewtopic.php?t=9227&highlight=mips |
| 19:30.02 | warmi | like a fourth asm listing from the top |
| 19:31.23 | warmi | I looked at the code and basically it tries to always do aligned blits as well as is Xscale cache aware |
| 19:31.45 | warmi | does some magic with that and since I am completely unfamiliar with Xscale and how is it different , I have no clue what it does |
| 19:34.00 | warmi | <oGMo> : sure |
| 19:34.04 | warmi | it will be slower |
| 19:34.17 | Twiun | howdy folks |
| 19:34.19 | warmi | but only if you DON"T do word blits at a time |
| 19:34.23 | warmi | but we do that |
| 19:34.25 | Neo|Work | warmi: does it run processEvents or the main Qtopia looop? |
| 19:34.35 | Neo|Work | if either of those, it should still do the processing |
| 19:35.15 | mark | hi Twiun. enjoying the snow? |
| 19:35.39 | Twiun | yeah... not! |
| 19:35.52 | Twiun | just got back from Staines... took me 3 hours to get home |
| 19:36.23 | warmi | NeoWork: yeah, it is a simple Qtopia app - it runs its animation on Qt timer |
| 19:36.47 | warmi | so it does process events - I just don't overwrite that method and catch it in the widget I am using |
| 19:37.07 | mark | Twiun: nasty. yeh, took me ages to get home today. but i love the snow |
| 19:37.55 | warmi | well, I guess - it all depends how much logic you have in your "MouseMove" event |
| 19:38.01 | Twiun | mark: this was coming back from yet another interview... |
| 19:38.19 | Twiun | mark: also very positive... I think I'll play two companies against each other to get a better pay :) |
| 19:38.42 | mark | Twiun: heh, cool. |
| 19:41.29 | Neo|Work | warmi: no it doesn't. what takes time is processing the events by the qtopia layer, not processing them in my layer |
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| 19:42.08 | Neo|Work | i.e a random Qtopia app will be noticably slower on mouse events |
| 19:42.08 | warmi | well, then you will for youself when I release it |
| 19:42.08 | warmi | it doesn't seem to slow down |
| 19:42.12 | Neo|Work | for example if you have a text widget and scroll the scrollbar |
| 19:42.20 | warmi | yeah, I have noticed that too |
| 19:42.35 | Neo|Work | as I said, you probably have enough free cpu not to suffer... |
| 19:42.36 | warmi | that's one of the first thing one will notice when switchign from PocketPC to Zaurus |
| 19:42.56 | warmi | Neo|Work: if your games |
| 19:43.04 | warmi | when you do masked sprite blits |
| 19:43.10 | Neo|Work | you are using QTimer - it probably still gets called as it shoudl more or less |
| 19:43.24 | warmi | you write pixel by pixel or try to do word (32 bits) writes ? |
| 19:43.39 | Neo|Work | _I_ don't do anything since _I_ don't have an engine. :P |
| 19:43.56 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah, I do check for systemtime to see if it still keeps 30 fps per sec |
| 19:43.57 | Neo|Work | I'd say all engines use pixel-per-pixel for anything but opaque blits however |
| 19:44.17 | warmi | ah - yeah, I spent like entire day trying to figure out how to avoid that |
| 19:44.26 | Neo|Work | warmi: have you bu chance run 'top' to see how much cpu you actually use? |
| 19:44.38 | warmi | but I finally got it working and it turned out to be 2 as fast as pixel by pixel |
| 19:44.41 | Neo|Work | the onyl way to avoid it to read pixels as well |
| 19:44.47 | Neo|Work | and that migh still be faster though |
| 19:45.05 | Neo|Work | in my testing, I found that reading is less of an issue than writing |
| 19:45.09 | Neo|Work | by far |
| 19:45.26 | warmi | basically I check if entire word ( 2 pixels) is "transparent" and if it is I skip it |
| 19:45.44 | warmi | the same for "solid" |
| 19:45.53 | Neo|Work | how do you represent that btw? |
| 19:45.56 | warmi | I only write single pixels when one of the pixels in that word is transparent |
| 19:46.00 | Neo|Work | a separate array with "alpha"? |
| 19:46.10 | warmi | no - color code |
| 19:46.17 | Neo|Work | ah, color keyes |
| 19:46.19 | Neo|Work | keyed |
| 19:46.21 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:46.25 | Neo|Work | so what about alpha? |
| 19:46.48 | Neo|Work | warmi: btw, every used Struts? |
| 19:46.53 | warmi | I will do alpha this weekend - but for now just "blending" with the background |
| 19:47.04 | warmi | and later true alpha using 0-255 for each pixel |
| 19:47.18 | warmi | no, I never used Struts |
| 19:47.30 | warmi | what is it ? |
| 19:47.33 | Neo|Work | I have the questionable pleasure of doing so now |
| 19:47.43 | Neo|Work | check jakarta.apache.org |
| 19:48.05 | Twiun | why questionable? |
| 19:48.16 | Twiun | seems ok from the little I've messed about with it |
| 19:48.55 | oGMo | warmi, but you still have to copy/rotate the memory at least once then |
| 19:49.18 | oGMo | well, unless you write your original buffer rotated, but that's slow too ;) |
| 19:49.47 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/files/bitblit.S |
| 19:50.20 | Neo|Work | Twiun: it's so complex |
| 19:50.23 | warmi | there you go - it has to read pixel by pixel - but then it transforms it in registers and writes using stmia |
| 19:50.24 | oGMo | it'd be nice if the hardware would just look at memory differently on request |
| 19:50.36 | Neo|Work | makes writing the FORM easier but the code needed behind it is quite large |
| 19:50.52 | Twiun | ? |
| 19:51.24 | Twiun | aren't you using beans to store/validate your form data? |
| 19:51.29 | icefox | warmi: that code really should in intigrated into QPE |
| 19:51.39 | icefox | improve the speed of everything |
| 19:51.40 | icefox | :-D |
| 19:51.42 | warmi | Struts - that's like framework on top of J2ee ? |
| 19:51.54 | warmi | well, it is Zaurus rotation specific |
| 19:51.57 | Twiun | warmi: tag library |
| 19:51.58 | Neo|Work | warmi: if you add support for copying specific areas (dirty rectangles) and different resolutions, let me know. :P |
| 19:52.10 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah, I was thinking about that |
| 19:52.15 | Neo|Work | warmi: no, it's more on top of java in general (i.e jsp/servlets, not J2EE specific) |
| 19:52.18 | warmi | but for now I am just using flipScreen kind of call |
| 19:52.25 | Neo|Work | Twiun: not just a tag library. quite a lot more than that |
| 19:52.37 | Neo|Work | and yes, I am using beans and I'm even using a good mapped bean to avoid too much duplication |
| 19:52.49 | Neo|Work | but I still need like a slew of objects per form |
| 19:52.55 | Neo|Work | or per "entity" |
| 19:53.03 | Twiun | what are you using the forms for? |
| 19:53.19 | warmi | uh .. we were trying to use enterprise beans but frankly, generally it is not worth it |
| 19:53.23 | Neo|Work | editing stuff stored in a database, simplisticly said |
| 19:53.40 | warmi | most of the time servlets + JDBC does just fine |
| 19:53.51 | Neo|Work | warmi: flipScreen: Right, understood. However a generic routine would rock |
| 19:54.14 | Neo|Work | warmi: Fotunately I don't have to deal with the J2EE stuff (session/entity beans) |
| 19:54.22 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah, I was thinking about that - if only for the times when you know that only specific part of your backbuffer was modified and there is no need ot blit entire thing |
| 19:54.24 | Neo|Work | I USE a session bean that gives me DTO's which I then use |
| 19:54.30 | Twiun | Neo|Work: it's a shame - they'd handle the db stuff for you |
| 19:54.42 | Neo|Work | Twiun: huh? what do you mena? |
| 19:54.55 | Neo|Work | my code doesn't do database stuff directly |
| 19:55.05 | Twiun | oh, sorry, I thought it did |
| 19:55.14 | warmi | Twiun: frankly, I sometimes feel like entity beans were designed for people who don't want to deal with sql |
| 19:55.19 | warmi | or don't know sql |
| 19:55.20 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:55.24 | Neo|Work | I use a session bean written by another developer and IT uses entity beans to do DB stuff |
| 19:55.43 | Twiun | warmi: hehe, I'm quite happy with sql - just not happy at all with the different feature sets supported by major DBs |
| 19:55.55 | warmi | especially container managed beans |
| 19:56.13 | Neo|Work | in either case, I have work to do. :P |
| 19:56.27 | warmi | Twiun: on the other hand Java SQL description language ( the name of which escapes me at this moment) is basically poor version of SQL |
| 19:56.49 | warmi | why would I want to use that to define my objects and relationships when I can use SQL |
| 19:56.57 | Twiun | lol |
| 19:56.59 | warmi | anyway, I tend to use my own wrappes anyway |
| 19:57.10 | warmi | allows me to optimize code |
| 19:57.12 | Twiun | I don't deal much with DBs atm |
| 19:57.25 | Twiun | too much messing with the jvm itself |
| 19:57.27 | warmi | I rearely need "row" style processing - mostly these are joins etc .. |
| 19:58.17 | warmi | Twiun: yeah, having different set of feature sets can be painfull |
| 19:58.30 | warmi | but then you can encapsulated this in Stored Procedures |
| 19:58.38 | warmi | and just call these |
| 19:58.52 | warmi | anyway, Java is boring :-) |
| 19:58.59 | warmi | so let's talk abotu weather or something .. |
| 19:59.15 | Twiun | yeah, the innards of the jvm are much more interesting - all that C and pointers and shit |
| 19:59.22 | warmi | :-) |
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| 19:59.32 | Neo|Work | java is so damn verbose |
| 19:59.56 | Twiun | Anyone else going to the Sun conference in London on the 3rd/4th? |
| 19:59.56 | Neo|Work | heck, even C++ code would be more compact. :P |
| 20:00.12 | Neo|Work | wc -l on my Struts form bean/action stuff is almost 100k lines |
| 20:00.22 | Twiun | yikes |
| 20:00.40 | warmi | I like JDBC |
| 20:00.47 | warmi | and that's about it |
| 20:00.56 | warmi | oh yeah, and I like concept of "interfaces" |
| 20:01.19 | warmi | hate stupid Java String and StringBuffer |
| 20:01.28 | Twiun | I quite like the evil "dynamic class loading"/introspection stuff |
| 20:01.37 | warmi | I am so used to QString and find Java String very limiting |
| 20:01.46 | Neo|Work | Twiun: that is such a basic feature of Pike |
| 20:01.46 | Twiun | java.lang.reflect is my playpen |
| 20:01.52 | Neo|Work | in Java it's a hell of a complex thing |
| 20:01.54 | Neo|Work | and limited and lame |
| 20:02.07 | Twiun | never used pike |
| 20:02.08 | warmi | Twiun: yeah, I know what you talking about - perhaps I would like that too but I never hed a chance to play much with it |
| 20:02.15 | Neo|Work | the feature is nice, the Java version of that feature is just awful |
| 20:02.34 | Twiun | have you had a look at the jakarta BCEL lib? |
| 20:03.01 | Neo|Work | no |
| 20:03.13 | Twiun | nifty thing |
| 20:03.26 | Neo|Work | I had to use some 'reflect' to find a class by name at run time |
| 20:03.32 | Neo|Work | and man did I need a lot of code for that crap. :P |
| 20:03.40 | Neo|Work | in pike, it's one short line. |
| 20:03.48 | Neo|Work | in java, like 5-10 lines |
| 20:03.56 | Neo|Work | or more |
| 20:03.57 | Twiun | Class.forName("some.class.name")? |
| 20:04.10 | Neo|Work | yeah, but then I need to construct it |
| 20:04.16 | Neo|Work | finding the right constructor |
| 20:04.33 | Twiun | Class.forName("some.class.name").newInstance()? |
| 20:04.41 | Twiun | if it's a bean that is |
| 20:04.44 | Neo|Work | that calls a constructor without attributes |
| 20:04.46 | Neo|Work | as I said |
| 20:04.59 | Neo|Work | hold a sec |
| 20:05.25 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.26 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.26 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.26 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.26 | Twiun | one thing I miss in java is the elipsis |
| 20:05.32 | Neo|Work | excluding the try/catch part |
| 20:05.48 | Neo|Work | as well as the code that actually builds the "paramTypes" list from the "params" list |
| 20:06.07 | Twiun | you're right, it's a bit verbose... I usually stick that stuff in a utils class |
| 20:06.25 | Neo|Work | this is a "utils" class in a way |
| 20:06.29 | Neo|Work | but I still need the code |
| 20:06.41 | Neo|Work | and what really bugged me is that I needed to build that list of paramTypes |
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| 20:07.15 | Cloud | hi |
| 20:07.24 | Neo|Work | and also that if I set the type to "ArrayList" it won't find a constructor taking a "List" |
| 20:07.24 | Neo|Work | which is just braindead |
| 20:08.08 | Neo|Work | ANYWAY, back to work |
| 20:08.16 | Neo|Work | Twiun: btw, once I figured out mapped and indexed properties, not to mentioned indexed mapped properties, it Struts works fine |
| 20:08.16 | warmi | I am done with my Java project for nwo |
| 20:08.25 | warmi | now |
| 20:08.41 | warmi | Twiun: are you familiar with Orion ? |
| 20:09.16 | Cloud | hey how do i kill a ghost nick? |
| 20:09.34 | warmi | you ask Neo to do it :-) |
| 20:09.45 | Cloud | well we can do it ourselves |
| 20:09.52 | Cloud | and that takes it from all channels we're in |
| 20:09.52 | Cloud | i just can never remember how |
| 20:09.52 | Cloud | ;( |
| 20:09.56 | warmi_away | well, could be - perhaps freenode supports stuff like that |
| 20:10.01 | warmi_away | I wasn't aware of that |
| 20:10.14 | Twiun | warmi_away: I'm not, no, should I be? |
| 20:10.22 | Twiun | hiya Cloud |
| 20:10.30 | Cloud | hiya Twiun |
| 20:10.40 | Cloud | how'd the interviews go? |
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| 20:10.50 | Cloud | wb warmi :) |
| 20:10.50 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.00 | Twiun | very well... I should be in a position to play two companies against each other tomorrow |
| 20:11.09 | Cloud | :) |
| 20:11.15 | Cloud | thanks treke!! |
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| 20:12.37 | Neo|Work | we use Bea and Tomcat here |
| 20:13.12 | Neo|Work | I find the tomcat choice unfortunate since the idea is to use Custom XML. XML-RPC and/or SOAP as a communication channel between the frontend tomcat and the BEA server |
| 20:13.21 | Neo|Work | which pretty much kills the whole point of using entity beans and all that |
| 20:13.39 | Twiun | <--- hasn't used j2ee/jsp in a commercial context yet |
| 20:14.00 | Twiun | just using tomcat on my webserver... removing apache from the equation atm |
| 20:16.19 | Neo|Work | actually, I should say, we use nothing yet |
| 20:16.30 | Neo|Work | what I'm working on is like the first Java/J2EE project so far |
| 20:16.33 | Neo|Work | lucky me |
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| 20:16.58 | FrenkYo | I've a problen |
| 20:17.07 | FrenkYo | at startup, opie goes to segmentation fault |
| 20:17.24 | FrenkYo | and I'cant use the keyboard for enter in the login |
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| 20:23.51 | Shayde | hey folks, ipkg install -d /usr/mnt.rom/card foo.ipk <-- that'll install foo.ipk onto the SDRAM card, right? |
| 20:24.44 | Shayde | durn... but /usr/mnt.rom/card shows that its mounted readonly :-/ |
| 20:25.11 | kergoth | so remount you card readwrite. |
| 20:25.22 | kergoth | and fsck it, because tis probably readonly due to filesystem errors |
| 20:25.32 | Shayde | huh |
| 20:27.11 | Shayde | aha! fsck.vfat fixed it. |
| 20:27.39 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:28.50 | Shayde | using -d /mnt/card is okay for a target for an ipkg install? |
| 20:28.58 | Shayde | it'll still link into the qtopia install proerly? |
| 20:29.15 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:29.21 | kergoth | ipkg isntalls it there, doesnt link it. |
| 20:29.58 | Shayde | okay, wtf! |
| 20:30.01 | Shayde | it went back to RO |
| 20:34.11 | Shayde | somethings very odd here. i can fsck.vfat /dev/mmcda1, and it runs. mount -a does not remount it. if i manually mount it (even with mount -orw /dev/mmcda1) it mounts ro |
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| 20:57.28 | NetAmp | dude |
| 20:57.34 | NetAmp | I found Windows 1.01 |
| 20:57.51 | NetAmp | It's only 800KB! |
| 20:57.57 | NetAmp | and NO activation needed! :D |
| 20:58.17 | NetAmp | let's emulate it on the Z :P (now that would be sick, wouldn't it ;) |
| 21:07.06 | Twiun | rofl |
| 21:07.13 | Twiun | you perverse individual |
| 21:07.25 | Twiun | all you need now is to find some apps that still work on it |
| 21:07.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:07.52 | kergoth | wasnt much to look at |
| 21:08.06 | NetAmp | Twiun: http://aw.localhost.ee/aw/view-picture/1010.html |
| 21:08.11 | NetAmp | there ya go |
| 21:08.16 | NetAmp | screencaps |
| 21:08.17 | NetAmp | :P |
| 21:08.21 | treke | Oldest one I can rembember is windows/386 |
| 21:08.58 | treke | looks like X |
| 21:09.05 | NetAmp | haha |
| 21:09.08 | NetAmp | LOL |
| 21:09.34 | treke | it really does. looks like someone running twm and some xaw only apps |
| 21:09.43 | NetAmp | :D |
| 21:11.39 | Neo|Work | people that said it (computers) was better before are smoking crack. :P |
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| 21:14.32 | JasonNJ | sup |
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| 21:19.45 | NetAmp | yo |
| 21:20.02 | NetAmp | Jason you wanna see Windows 1.01? :P http://aw.localhost.ee/aw/view-picture/1010.html |
| 21:20.32 | NetAmp | Could be a potential OPIE replacement :P |
| 21:20.42 | treke | oh man this is scary. I'm following the count on uploading my initrd.bin and actually seeing the progress |
| 21:22.42 | gaurdian_ | is there any to make the Z "auto-sync" every X miniutes when in the docking station ? |
| 21:25.10 | kergoth | gaurdian_: the sync is done by the desktop app. it depends on your app. |
| 21:26.51 | gaurdian | well, I am useing Intellisync..... |
| 21:27.09 | kergoth | so the question is, can intellisync autosync every feew minutes.. not afaik |
| 21:27.18 | gaurdian | hmmm ok thanks |
| 21:30.10 | icefox | You know what is really scarry? |
| 21:30.20 | icefox | Seeing how much Windows 1 in box goes for on ebay |
| 21:30.41 | NetAmp | :o |
| 21:30.44 | Shayde | you guys are wimps :) |
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| 21:30.55 | Shayde | i used to do serious work in windows 1.0.1 |
| 21:30.59 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 21:31.14 | icefox | haha lucky for me I started at 2 and was quickly replaced with 3 |
| 21:31.14 | NetAmp | did notepad already have that 64k limit then? :P |
| 21:31.20 | Shayde | PageMaker baybee. |
| 21:31.26 | NetAmp | l33t |
| 21:31.27 | Shayde | windows 1.0.1 had no floating windows at all. |
| 21:31.31 | Shayde | it was all 'tiled' |
| 21:31.33 | icefox | single window |
| 21:31.34 | NetAmp | err |
| 21:31.39 | NetAmp | scary |
| 21:31.54 | icefox | hey full circle. :-D Just like the Z |
| 21:32.12 | NetAmp | lol |
| 21:32.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:32.28 | Neo|Work | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2353957&category=3770 |
| 21:32.29 | Neo|Work | hahaha |
| 21:33.55 | NetAmp | :| |
| 21:34.56 | icefox | Nice |
| 21:35.05 | icefox | Making more then I would sense I am not doing it |
| 21:35.15 | icefox | Hmm |
| 21:35.21 | icefox | You know what would be valuable to sell |
| 21:35.24 | icefox | Debian DVD's |
| 21:35.36 | icefox | rather then downloading all 7 cd's |
| 21:35.43 | kergoth | you download the cds? |
| 21:36.05 | icefox | I do for times when I need the packages due to net faulures |
| 21:36.49 | icefox | Nice you can get nightly Debian DVD builds |
| 21:36.49 | icefox | hehe |
| 21:36.50 | Shayde | man, you guys are evil for pointing out that site. |
| 21:37.57 | NetAmp | sweeet |
| 21:40.18 | mewyn | hrmmm |
| 21:41.04 | mewyn | i need to figure out how much starting an internet cafe/bar will cost |
| 21:41.34 | icefox | I have done it |
| 21:41.34 | icefox | :-D |
| 21:41.44 | icefox | the main cost is personal |
| 21:41.49 | icefox | as with most biz |
| 21:41.56 | icefox | and you need to have a proper plan to get the money back |
| 21:42.02 | icefox | follow the LAZY rule |
| 21:42.14 | icefox | if you can dupe something then dupe it! |
| 21:42.16 | mewyn | you've done it? |
| 21:42.24 | icefox | I worked at a internet cafe/bar |
| 21:42.32 | icefox | for the first year of its life |
| 21:42.36 | icefox | it is still in biz |
| 21:42.57 | icefox | let every customer have 5 mintues free |
| 21:43.03 | icefox | after that charge |
| 21:43.15 | icefox | use diskless machines |
| 21:43.22 | mewyn | yah |
| 21:43.22 | icefox | shuttle boxes or something |
| 21:43.25 | icefox | i.e. can't break |
| 21:43.26 | mewyn | linux on everything |
| 21:43.32 | icefox | and the only thing to upgrade is the server |
| 21:43.45 | icefox | no, you must have a windows box or too for printing form Office |
| 21:43.55 | icefox | on the high quality laser printer that i presume you will have |
| 21:44.02 | icefox | sense that is a big biz |
| 21:44.13 | mewyn | openoffice |
| 21:44.23 | kergoth | openoffice imports arent perfect |
| 21:44.26 | icefox | 30 cents for a single page of a resume x 10 copies X 10 people a day X 7 days ... |
| 21:44.35 | kergoth | if it fails on a user's documetn, that wont be fun to explain :) |
| 21:44.41 | icefox | You must have office so people can tweak things |
| 21:44.47 | mewyn | hmmm |
| 21:44.56 | icefox | or i.e. for those "sites" that only work |
| 21:44.59 | mewyn | but i don't want to deal with license issues :) |
| 21:45.04 | icefox | but it can still be a minority box |
| 21:45.12 | icefox | maybe charge more for the windows box! |
| 21:45.16 | icefox | that is the best way |
| 21:45.29 | icefox | mewyn`: you want to start a company, but don't want to deal with licenses? |
| 21:45.43 | icefox | you mentioned "bar" as in licquor? |
| 21:45.43 | mewyn | i was thinking really low prices for internet access. 1.50 for a day, and 10 a month for regulars |
| 21:45.45 | icefox | that mean slicense |
| 21:45.55 | icefox | no way |
| 21:45.57 | mewyn | i mean sw licenses |
| 21:45.59 | icefox | $8 a hour |
| 21:46.03 | mewyn | yow! |
| 21:46.06 | icefox | first 5 min free |
| 21:46.16 | treke | mewyn: The software licenses are gonna be the easy ones to deal with :) |
| 21:46.17 | icefox | they will come in for 5 mintues stay for 20 |
| 21:46.36 | mewyn | no one's gonna pay that much when they can get it free at a harbucks |
| 21:46.42 | icefox | remember most of your biz will be 9-11 and 3:30-8 |
| 21:46.51 | icefox | need to recup the rest of the time |
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| 21:46.58 | icefox | mewyn`: but they will |
| 21:47.02 | icefox | and they do |
| 21:47.06 | icefox | if the service is good |
| 21:47.09 | mewyn | hmm |
| 21:47.25 | mewyn | well.. i guess i can charge some more :) |
| 21:47.41 | icefox | you can get free internet through your local cable modem company if you have a joint deal with them to have a sign up saying you use there service |
| 21:48.24 | icefox | Also you need at least 1 fps game for the inevatible high school kids from 3:30-4:30 |
| 21:48.32 | mewyn | nah, i'll get from speakeasy and see if they give me a discount for putting speakeasy flyers. |
| 21:48.34 | mewyn | good point |
| 21:48.39 | mewyn | hmm |
| 21:49.10 | mewyn | how much would you think it'd cost to start one? |
| 21:49.53 | mewyn | i was thinking about having the bar functions after it becomes somewhat established, too |
| 21:50.02 | kergoth | depends on how long you need to be running before you hit the breakeven point |
| 21:50.06 | kergoth | write a business plan |
| 21:50.26 | mewyn | i should take some business classes |
| 21:50.59 | Hellaenergy | Bush is encourageing small business ;) |
| 21:51.02 | kergoth | yes, that would be a good idea. |
| 21:51.02 | Hellaenergy | that asshole |
| 21:51.29 | mewyn | Hellaenergy: he is? |
| 21:51.33 | mewyn | that seems like a shock to me |
| 21:51.39 | raduga | well, |
| 21:51.44 | icefox | mewyn`: 30K |
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| 21:51.49 | raduga | Small businesses, like Haliburton, Microsoft, etc |
| 21:52.03 | mewyn | icefox: yah i was thinking in that range too |
| 21:52.07 | Hellaenergy | mewyn: He said it in the State of the Union address |
| 21:52.17 | icefox | mewyn: also depends on who you hire |
| 21:52.19 | mewyn | may be a little more yet if i want to branch into restuarunt functions too |
| 21:52.22 | mewyn | yah |
| 21:52.27 | icefox | sense in that kind of place you have to hire someone |
| 21:52.32 | icefox | will you do pc repair? |
| 21:52.40 | mewyn | for the most part, yes |
| 21:52.42 | icefox | that is big money |
| 21:52.45 | icefox | $100/h |
| 21:52.52 | mewyn | that's what i do for profession :) |
| 21:52.53 | icefox | to 200/h |
| 21:53.04 | icefox | stressfull as hell though |
| 21:53.10 | Hellaenergy | yes it is |
| 21:53.16 | raduga | and in his last state-of-the-union, he promised to catch usama, before this present state-of-the-union so, I suppose it must have happened and I didn't notice. |
| 21:53.34 | mewyn | i ain't paying some dumb-shit consultant at that much for repairing my shit :) |
| 21:53.34 | icefox | "Please tell me what you did to fuch^h^h^h^h mess up the computer" custom:"I didn't do anything!" |
| 21:53.39 | kergoth | heh, any job where you contact the end user and/or customer is high stress :) |
| 21:53.40 | treke | gonna be hard to catch someone who is probably a rotting corpse |
| 21:54.03 | icefox | Users never do squat acording to them |
| 21:54.09 | raduga | rotting corpses don't move, much. Sitting ducks. |
| 21:54.10 | icefox | until you find what they did |
| 21:54.19 | icefox | that is why we got $200 an hour |
| 21:54.22 | mewyn | yah :) |
| 21:54.27 | treke | "I didnt touch it, that open coke can was always inside the case" |
| 21:54.28 | icefox | insentive to telling us what they did wrong |
| 21:54.35 | Hellaenergy | hahah |
| 21:54.42 | Hellaenergy | ain't that the truth |
| 21:54.47 | icefox | I would litterally say that sometimes too |
| 21:55.04 | mewyn | i can usually find what they did wrong by the symptoms they give me |
| 21:55.13 | icefox | yah, but still |
| 21:55.22 | icefox | anyway you need to think it out quite a bit |
| 21:55.24 | mewyn | when i was doing tech support at cdw, there was almost no call i couldn't solve |
| 21:55.32 | icefox | the main thing to think about is the insentive to get people in the store |
| 21:55.44 | Hellaenergy | yup |
| 21:55.45 | icefox | have it so they can just walk up to a computer and create an account |
| 21:55.52 | raduga | oh wow. |
| 21:56.03 | raduga | I suddenly just realised what you've been saying, icefox |
| 21:56.08 | icefox | what is that? |
| 21:56.09 | mewyn | icefox: have you ever run windows on a diskless box? |
| 21:56.15 | raduga | i thought it was "insensitive" but you made a typo |
| 21:56.18 | raduga | you mean *incentive* |
| 21:56.24 | Hellaenergy | http://www.openantivirus.org/samba-vscan-0.3.2RC2.tar.bz2 |
| 21:56.25 | icefox | haha my bad |
| 21:56.26 | raduga | Its much more clear now :) |
| 21:56.28 | icefox | incentive |
| 21:56.52 | icefox | mewyn: no and I wouldn't want to |
| 21:56.53 | raduga | i was wondering in what way clueless customers were insensitive |
| 21:57.03 | icefox | just cut your losses and load a min install on a hd. |
| 21:57.09 | treke | raduga: their very existance |
| 21:57.09 | icefox | Some apps you can run remotly |
| 21:57.15 | mewyn | hmmm |
| 21:57.15 | icefox | with just shortcuts to the server |
| 21:57.21 | icefox | others you can't |
| 21:57.59 | mewyn | actually, hmm... |
| 21:58.05 | raduga | icefox: when we're all using .Net i suppose that will be the only way :) |
| 21:58.12 | mewyn | i wonder how well crossover office works |
| 21:58.23 | Hellaenergy | I just read an artical on how to use a linux box as a windows terminal machine |
| 21:58.32 | mewyn | and they have UT for linux and all |
| 21:58.40 | icefox | raduga: well all you need is office so just put a win2k box up |
| 21:58.40 | Shayde | hey any of you guys run MAME? |
| 21:58.50 | Hellaenergy | On the Z? |
| 21:58.59 | icefox | yah |
| 21:59.01 | Shayde | zsi2 shows zmame, qmame.id, and maxmame |
| 21:59.07 | icefox | I have seen it run and it works |
| 21:59.43 | Shayde | hm. |
| 21:59.48 | mewyn | i was working with warwick early on trying to figure out the mame to qtopia bindings. we stopped for the contest, and i haven't seen him since :) |
| 22:00.06 | icefox | warwick works for TrollTech right? |
| 22:00.10 | Shayde | looks like maxmame is it |
| 22:00.18 | mewyn | yah |
| 22:00.25 | mewyn | last time i knew |
| 22:01.38 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: She's from here -> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0129-08.htm |
| 22:02.42 | icefox | well home for dinner |
| 22:02.43 | icefox | later |
| 22:03.59 | mewyn | hmmm |
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| 22:06.21 | Hellaenergy | Hey tuxpaint got one of the happypenguin.org awards |
| 22:06.56 | NetAmp | :D |
| 22:07.09 | gaurdian | kergoth , any reason the "Today: applet wouldent tell me there is mail in the inbox ? |
| 22:07.24 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 22:07.38 | NetAmp | gtg |
| 22:07.41 | NetAmp | l8r y'all |
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| 22:12.05 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: oh god, i'll refrain from commenting |
| 22:13.36 | treke | tuxpaint? |
| 22:13.50 | treke | good god, its not a fucking game |
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| 22:14.46 | kergoth | "It.s common sense. It.s time to put the weapons manufacturers out of business." |
| 22:14.49 | kergoth | how fucking naive |
| 22:15.02 | kergoth | like stopping weapons production is going to cause peace |
| 22:15.05 | mewyn | where is that frm? |
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| 22:15.20 | kergoth | that url Hellaenergy posted up there |
| 22:15.38 | mewyn | kergoth: yah, if there were no guns, we'd still have bows and arrows, swords, knives, etc |
| 22:15.56 | kergoth | not to mention homemade guns, explosives, etc |
| 22:16.11 | mewyn | are we gonna license these things and squash them out of busniess |
| 22:16.13 | mewyn | ya |
| 22:16.26 | mewyn | gun control is pointless |
| 22:16.30 | kergoth | naivete, big time |
| 22:16.34 | kergoth | indeed |
| 22:16.49 | mewyn | plus, the gun manufactueres will go overseas and criminals will still get guns |
| 22:17.19 | treke | good gun control is very important |
| 22:17.32 | treke | how else are you supposed to hit what you are aiming at? |
| 22:17.32 | kergoth | criminals will always have guns. always. |
| 22:17.34 | kergoth | haha, exactly |
| 22:17.43 | mewyn | lol |
| 22:17.46 | mewyn | yes |
| 22:17.53 | mewyn | gun control means hitting the target |
| 22:17.54 | mewyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:19.44 | sheenmaster | hi all |
| 22:20.01 | sheenmaster | is that new zaurus (C-700) slotted for an English release any time sooon |
| 22:20.14 | kergoth | you can buy it now, thruogh dynamism |
| 22:20.30 | mrluisp | how much is it? |
| 22:20.35 | kergoth | $699, iirc |
| 22:20.36 | kergoth | not cheap |
| 22:20.41 | sheenmaster | hmm |
| 22:20.44 | Hellaenergy | whats the url? |
| 22:20.48 | sheenmaster | it'll be worth it if I can code in class |
| 22:20.54 | sheenmaster | (about to file my tax return) |
| 22:22.08 | kergoth | treke:/window 15 |
| 22:22.10 | kergoth | er |
| 22:22.18 | kergoth | i need to go home |
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| 22:22.48 | treke | god I hate this keyboard and mouse |
| 22:23.15 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 22:23.39 | sheenmaster | http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml |
| 22:23.46 | Hellaenergy | ibot: C-700 |
| 22:23.47 | | Hellaenergy: wish i knew |
| 22:23.57 | Hellaenergy | ibot: C-700 is at http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml |
| 22:23.57 | | Hellaenergy: okay |
| 22:24.25 | Hellaenergy | is that running the 2.4.18 kernel? |
| 22:25.59 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: yes, its running 2.4.18 |
| 22:26.55 | Hellaenergy | 699? Don't think so though |
| 22:27.06 | Hellaenergy | no mwah |
| 22:27.09 | kergoth | its a very very smooth unit |
| 22:27.13 | kergoth | the hardware is quite impressive |
| 22:27.22 | Hellaenergy | what are the hw specs? |
| 22:28.30 | kergoth | same as the 5600 |
| 22:28.40 | kergoth | but its the formfactor thats really impressive, not the specs |
| 22:29.35 | mewyn | and the better screen |
| 22:29.59 | Hellaenergy | mewyn: why use that old shit? |
| 22:30.19 | Hellaenergy | mewyn: sorry |
| 22:30.25 | mewyn | ? |
| 22:30.26 | Hellaenergy | wrong channel |
| 22:30.27 | kergoth | huh? |
| 22:30.29 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:31.15 | mewyn | well well well, this place has more pirated tapes than a... chinese k-mart? |
| 23:01.16 | TimRiker | ~c700 |
| 23:01.17 | | [c700] http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus2003/, or http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/ |
| 23:01.46 | TimRiker | ibot: no c-700 is <reply> see c700 |
| 23:01.47 | | okay, TimRiker |
| 23:02.12 | TimRiker | lart Hellaenergy |
| 23:02.17 | TimRiker | ~lart Hellaenergy |
| 23:02.33 | kergoth | hey tim |
| 23:03.49 | mewyn | hey tim |
| 23:09.09 | mewyn | brrr |
| 23:09.11 | mewyn | so cold |
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