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| 00:16.40 | chouimat | http://www.flare.net/users/rgratton/sculpture.jpg |
| 00:17.44 | Twiun | a true work of art |
| 00:19.14 | angry | haha |
| 00:19.25 | chouimat | :) |
| 00:20.41 | chouimat | Twiun: I just send the picture to all my friends :) |
| 00:22.35 | LordDavon | back |
| 00:23.08 | kergoth | wb LordDavon |
| 00:23.29 | LordDavon | Thanks. |
| 00:23.32 | LordDavon | :)\ |
| 00:23.38 | LordDavon | Dynamism called me too. |
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| 00:39.32 | ljp | blah |
| 00:39.56 | hardwire | and 1/2 |
| 00:40.01 | hardwire | wanna come up for pizza ljp! |
| 00:40.34 | ljp | I just ordered some :) |
| 00:40.38 | hardwire | damn you! |
| 00:40.56 | ljp | why? where do you need a ride too? |
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| 00:56.23 | ljp | where's my pizza? |
| 00:57.16 | hobbs | ljp: waiting for you in Intercourse, Pennsylvania. |
| 00:58.36 | ljp | heheh hmm |
| 01:02.55 | ljp | pizza, pizza, pizza... c'mon pizza |
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| 01:07.59 | ljp | damn it... pizza get here |
| 01:08.43 | chouimat | aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggggggggggg |
| 01:09.10 | arete | so are there any good zaurus themes? |
| 01:09.12 | arete | this is my first one |
| 01:09.38 | ljp | themes? |
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| 01:10.04 | arete | isn't qt themable? |
| 01:10.26 | hobbs | they like to call them "styles", but yeah. :) |
| 01:10.40 | HeatxSink | scanline: hello? |
| 01:10.45 | HeatxSink | hello all |
| 01:10.50 | arete | ahh perhaps thats why searching wasn't very useful |
| 01:10.55 | arete | the default theme is not very pretty |
| 01:10.57 | hobbs | if you're running OZ, liquid is rather nice, and a few others are too. If you're running sharp, I'm pretty sure you're stuck with what you've got. |
| 01:11.07 | arete | ack |
| 01:12.12 | arete | would be depressing to wait for OZ for the c700 if it ever even comes out |
| 01:12.17 | arete | likely not till the US release |
| 01:13.37 | arete | how about zstyle, does that work? |
| 01:15.19 | hobbs | never heard of it. Let's see. |
| 01:16.19 | arete | seems to be payware though |
| 01:16.20 | hobbs | well, it _says_ it works. Although who knows, for the c700 |
| 01:17.00 | hobbs | not everything on handango is, but... yep, it is. |
| 01:18.10 | arete | so those screenshots of really nice themes you see like on thekompany.com are from oz? |
| 01:18.42 | treke|home | arete: no |
| 01:18.48 | treke|home | arete: that is thekompany's theme |
| 01:18.54 | treke|home | you only see it on their apps |
| 01:19.00 | arete | ahhh |
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| 01:20.01 | HeatxSink | Aethera looks good! |
| 01:20.41 | arete | that liquid theme looks like it might be worth $5, assuming zstyle works |
| 01:20.55 | arete | although I've been toying with the idea of writing a really minimal flat theme |
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| 01:21.01 | arete | though I have absolutely no artistic ability |
| 01:21.06 | treke|home | like uhm flat? |
| 01:21.20 | treke|home | save yourself five bucks, read the openzaurus manual and install it |
| 01:21.31 | arete | don't think it installs on the c700 =P |
| 01:21.37 | HeatxSink | where on thkompany.com website does it have screenshots of the themes? |
| 01:21.51 | arete | for each of the products there is a screenshots link |
| 01:21.51 | treke|home | HeatxSink: look at the screenshot of their apps |
| 01:22.50 | treke|home | HeatxSink: yes. they all have screenshot |
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| 01:25.57 | HeatxSink | which apps inparticular looks the best? |
| 01:26.16 | treke|home | they all use the same theme |
| 01:32.24 | kergoth | ibot: soon lorddavon |
| 01:32.26 | | kergoth: no idea |
| 01:32.31 | kergoth | ibot: seen lorddavon |
| 01:32.33 | | lorddavon <davon@ptd-24-198-5-74.maine.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 1h 8m 55s ago, saying: 'Dynamism called me too.'. |
| 01:38.41 | angry | ibot: seen drago |
| 01:38.44 | | i haven't seen 'drago', angry |
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| 02:33.17 | Piete | hey |
| 02:39.48 | Hellaenergy | anyone seen roge99 latley? |
| 02:40.32 | Piete | ibot: seen roge99 |
| 02:40.35 | | roge99 <~roge99@cpe-68-118-204-89.ma.charter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 3d 2h 48m 4s ago, saying: 'ouch'. |
| 02:40.49 | Piete | viola |
| 02:42.43 | kergoth | hey Hellaenergy |
| 02:42.52 | Hellaenergy | hi kergoth |
| 02:43.18 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 02:45.36 | Hellaenergy | ah just trying to get this fucking kernel to boot so I can hopefully get rid of this SCSI disk I/O error = 70000 |
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| 02:50.08 | PenZ | hi hi |
| 02:51.01 | Hellaenergy | he he |
| 02:51.51 | PenZ | hrm.. ho ho ? |
| 02:52.35 | PenZ | reminds me of a song.. "they're coming to take me away haha hoho hehe" |
| 02:52.44 | PenZ | or something to that effect |
| 02:53.22 | PenZ | icefox: busy? |
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| 03:05.14 | kergoth | SukoShi_: ping |
| 03:05.36 | PenZ | hey kergy |
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| 03:13.03 | sjborch | ibot where are you? |
| 03:13.05 | | i heard ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:17.06 | PenZ | I like opie-irc but I wish it made a taskbar icon |
| 03:17.30 | PenZ | cause I have to close everything to get back to it |
| 03:18.08 | PenZ | unless there's a win 'alt-tab' thing I don't know about |
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| 03:22.29 | treke|home | kergoth: any progres on 5600/b500 source? |
| 03:22.40 | kergoth | treke|home: nope, nada |
| 03:22.58 | treke|home | you would think this would be easy :) |
| 03:23.05 | kergoth | indeed |
| 03:23.08 | kergoth | i dunno whats taking them so long |
| 03:23.15 | sjborch | chouimat|tv: Feeling any better? |
| 03:23.25 | treke|home | someone with a 5600 should just be able to say "give me the source" |
| 03:23.40 | kergoth | treke|home: yep |
| 03:23.43 | treke|home | if they wanted to charge for it, take up a paypall collection |
| 03:23.47 | chouimat|tv | sjborch: not really but I don't have the runs anymore |
| 03:23.57 | kergoth | treke|home: i know at least one guy who has requested it, who owns a b600 |
| 03:24.09 | treke|home | SukoShi? |
| 03:24.11 | sjborch | chouimat|tv: Thanks. (I didn't need to know that...:-D ) |
| 03:24.12 | kergoth | treke|home: and I believe dynamism, who owns c700s, has requested sources as well |
| 03:24.15 | kergoth | treke|home: yeah |
| 03:24.49 | kergoth | treke|home: I received a c700 on loan today (for a month), its a very slick unit |
| 03:24.51 | PenZ | can't you romburst it? |
| 03:24.58 | treke|home | kergoth: nifty |
| 03:24.59 | kergoth | PenZ: that doesnt help, we need _sources_ |
| 03:25.31 | PenZ | right, but it's a start |
| 03:25.52 | kergoth | I'm not even going to touch these units w/ regard to OZ support until I have kernel sources. |
| 03:25.57 | PenZ | lets you know what standards were used and what was custom |
| 03:26.07 | kergoth | oh yes, it gives you an idea on fs structure |
| 03:26.09 | kergoth | but guess what |
| 03:26.12 | kergoth | they're all embedix |
| 03:26.17 | kergoth | its all the same layout |
| 03:26.26 | kergoth | same symlink madness, shell ipkg, old busybox, etc |
| 03:26.44 | PenZ | true |
| 03:27.21 | kergoth | treke|home: we'll findo ut shortly |
| 03:27.29 | kergoth | treke|home: I'll be doing some extensive testing.. op2 baby |
| 03:27.30 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:27.35 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:27.45 | PenZ | course you also still have TS tweaking hogging the to-do list |
| 03:27.55 | treke|home | the keyboard on it looks rather attractive. I could see myself using it unlike the 5500 one |
| 03:27.58 | kergoth | thats for the 5000d/5500, seperate issue |
| 03:28.16 | kergoth | treke|home: yeah, the keyboard is nice. i love how it swivels the screen to switch from landscape to portrait |
| 03:28.17 | treke|home | kergoth: does the keyboard have an esc key in the proper place by any chance? |
| 03:28.23 | kergoth | treke|home: and it autorotates qtopia when you do it :) |
| 03:28.48 | PenZ | true but the same issue is likely to arise later on for all models (updating ts) |
| 03:28.50 | kergoth | treke|home: nope, it uses 'cacnel/ok', two buttons at the bottom middle of the keyboard |
| 03:28.55 | treke|home | fsck |
| 03:29.00 | kergoth | treke|home: on the side of the unit when in portrait is ok/cancel, and a jog dial |
| 03:29.01 | treke|home | I want a fricken escape key |
| 03:29.03 | kergoth | you get used to it |
| 03:29.30 | kergoth | man, the shit is _so_ sharp on the 640x480.... |
| 03:29.30 | treke|home | how am I supposed to use vi this way |
| 03:29.40 | kergoth | treke|home: get used to using cancel :) |
| 03:29.51 | kergoth | treke|home: its not far out of the way, its directly below space |
| 03:30.00 | treke|home | try telling my fingers that |
| 03:30.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:30.09 | kergoth | i havnet gotten copmletely used to this layout yet |
| 03:30.16 | kergoth | like what things i need to hit the fn modifier to get to |
| 03:30.16 | kergoth | and stuff |
| 03:30.37 | kergoth | just like the Z, once you get used to it, you're fine |
| 03:30.52 | PenZ | heh I'm just happy got the wifi going again but on oz/opie |
| 03:31.03 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 03:31.06 | kergoth | what card? |
| 03:31.12 | PenZ | was about to give up and go back |
| 03:31.16 | PenZ | wcf11 |
| 03:31.16 | treke|home | not like a c700 is of any use to me. 700 bucks from dynamism is straight out |
| 03:31.32 | kergoth | treke|home: hehe. yea, $700 is no small chunk of change |
| 03:32.11 | treke|home | even 500 is a bit tough to justify. 400 I might be able to weasel myself into :) |
| 03:32.18 | PenZ | I couldn't get static routing to work even with same setup as sharp rom, so I gave in and did dhcpd on my router |
| 03:32.30 | PenZ | whatever works |
| 03:33.32 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: I would rather get the new laptop from apple than a c700 |
| 03:33.48 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: well yeah, so would i :) |
| 03:34.08 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: but for 5299$ is a little expensive |
| 03:34.12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:34.12 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:34.16 | PenZ | I'm not fond of *BSD |
| 03:34.40 | PenZ | I'd rather have a supped up Sager and put linux on it |
| 03:34.42 | chouimat|tv | PenZ: BSD work very well |
| 03:34.49 | kergoth | i love openbsd on my firewalls |
| 03:34.52 | PenZ | 3x as cheap |
| 03:34.52 | kergoth | works beautifully |
| 03:35.15 | kergoth | ipless bridging on my openbsd box, then a linux box behind it doing the NAT at my house works well |
| 03:35.19 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: I have freebsd on my firewalls and servers, and also on one devel box |
| 03:35.31 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: nice |
| 03:35.39 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: how is freebsd nowadays? i havent tried it in ages |
| 03:36.06 | PenZ | batts gone.. later guys |
| 03:36.13 | PenZ | =-) |
| 03:36.16 | kergoth | later PenZ |
| 03:36.23 | PenZ | tc all |
| 03:36.24 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: 4.5 it's ok (didn't ported our products to later 4.x version) and 5.0 rocks |
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| 03:36.37 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: nice, ill have to grab 5 and take a look |
| 03:36.59 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: you can have a 67GB swap with 5.0 |
| 03:37.12 | kergoth | nice |
| 03:37.59 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: you will have enough swap |
| 03:47.19 | hardwire | hmm |
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| 03:49.37 | kergoth | hey SillyZ |
| 03:50.46 | SillyZ | heya kergoth |
| 03:50.48 | SillyZ | how goes ? |
| 03:51.17 | kergoth | good, you? |
| 03:56.58 | arete | cool |
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| 03:57.09 | arete | I just set up a wireless access point/router/firewall/etc on openbsd |
| 03:57.12 | arete | ipsec secured |
| 03:57.17 | arete | running on embedded hardware from www.soekris.com |
| 03:58.17 | chouimat|ZZzzzz | night |
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| 04:32.50 | treke|home | sweet. my ipaq is on its way to the repair center in texas :) |
| 04:35.09 | tux_mike | cool. fish |
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| 05:27.21 | sjborch | names |
| 05:27.28 | kergoth | ? |
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| 05:36.17 | Piete | re |
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| 06:04.32 | quarkquasar_1 | well, most of he #picogui crew is here, and i WILL NOT flood this channel |
| 06:05.29 | scanline | heh |
| 06:06.37 | kergoth | quarkquasar_1: good to know. |
| 06:06.57 | treke|home | I'm sure there was a reason for telling us that |
| 06:07.14 | quarkquasar_1 | no comments scanline, and i don't blame you for kicking me, woulda done the same thing |
| 06:07.32 | quarkquasar_1 | not a guilt trip ;) |
| 06:07.44 | Piete | oh, fancy meeting you here quarkquasar_1 :P |
| 06:08.00 | quarkquasar_1 | hey Piete |
| 06:09.22 | quarkquasar_1 | and |
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| 06:12.48 | quarkquasar | too bad PicoBot isn't here, guess thats a consequence |
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| 06:13.28 | Piete | quarkquasar: well, ibot is here :P |
| 06:13.36 | Piete | quarkquasar: get to know him; |
| 06:13.39 | Piete | ~lart quarkquasar |
| 06:14.00 | quarkquasar | yeah, i know ibot :) |
| 06:14.40 | quarkquasar | ibot: guinness |
| 06:14.42 | | ACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to quarkquasar |
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| 06:15.21 | quarkquasar | wish ibot would make it extra stout |
| 06:15.27 | quarkquasar | ;) |
| 06:16.02 | Piete | ibot be zippy |
| 06:16.22 | quarkquasar | lol |
| 06:16.45 | quarkquasar | still miss PicoBot |
| 06:17.36 | treke|home | am I the onlyone thinkging that quarkquasar joing was a bad thing? |
| 06:18.02 | scanline | treke|home: no |
| 06:19.28 | quarkquasar | great, just great. just don't gives me a bad reputation on the whole freenode okay? |
| 06:19.52 | kergoth | reputations generally arent given, they're earned. |
| 06:21.59 | treke|home | hmmm. I think its a bad thing when my monitor starts snapping in and out |
| 06:22.32 | Piete | lol |
| 06:22.57 | quarkquasar | man, you should try yrom on the Zaurus |
| 06:23.17 | Piete | anyone remember "Dr.Sbaitso"? It came with the original Sound Blasters? It was pretty good for its time; a chatbot, and TTS |
| 06:23.28 | scanline | Piete: I remember that :) |
| 06:23.32 | treke|home | I am Dr. Sbaitsor |
| 06:23.33 | quarkquasar | combines Open and Ebeddix |
| 06:23.34 | scanline | The parrot was cool too :) |
| 06:23.38 | Piete | yea! |
| 06:23.41 | treke|home | I am here to help you. please tell me your problems |
| 06:23.50 | kergoth | quarkquasar: um, theres nothing in Embedix worth keeping. |
| 06:23.52 | Piete | treke|home: yea :D |
| 06:24.14 | kergoth | quarkquasar: there _may_ be some aspects of _qtopia_ that are worth keeping, but no way Embedix itself |
| 06:24.42 | quarkquasar | kergoth its a custom ROM, open for the most part |
| 06:24.46 | kergoth | quarkquasar: i know. |
| 06:24.53 | kergoth | quarkquasar: you apparently didnt read what i wrote. |
| 06:24.55 | kergoth | quarkquasar: read it again. |
| 06:25.26 | Piete | "Doocktoor Sebaitso, froom creatv labs, please enter your name." |
| 06:25.38 | quarkquasar | kergoth: i did it *apperently* throws out most of Embeddix |
| 06:26.11 | kergoth | quarkquasar: my point is, embedix is absolute crap. There is _nothing_ worth keeping from it. |
| 06:26.22 | treke|home | kergoth: not true |
| 06:26.28 | treke|home | kergoth: the SD module is worth keeping |
| 06:26.43 | quarkquasar | treke|home: lol |
| 06:26.46 | kergoth | treke|home: only because we dont have the source. wanna bet the source is crap? ;) |
| 06:26.55 | treke|home | kergoth: nah, I like keeping my money |
| 06:27.03 | kergoth | (hint hint, dont take the bet, tim riker already confirmed its crap) |
| 06:27.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:27.14 | quarkquasar | uh-oh |
| 06:27.30 | quarkquasar | a *dispute* |
| 06:27.37 | quarkquasar | this could get ugly |
| 06:27.38 | Piete | scanline treke|home; http://www.goodolddays.net/apps/files/sbaitso2.rar <-- it might work in dosemu :D |
| 06:27.40 | treke|home | if (size_buf==4) goto gotStuff; |
| 06:28.09 | kergoth | #define SPIFFY_SD_MAGIC_NUMBER FLASH_MAGIC_NUMBER(SD_SPIFFINESS) |
| 06:28.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:28.36 | treke|home | kergoth: too bad you cant just say fuck off and use mmc :) |
| 06:28.48 | scanline | Piete: hm.. don't really feel like installing dosemu :) Next time I go home maybe I'll crack open my 8086 Compaq Portable, install the full lenght 8-bit ISA card, and pop in the 5.25" disk :) |
| 06:28.49 | quarkquasar | lwol |
| 06:29.06 | Piete | scanline: ahhh, the memories |
| 06:29.52 | scanline | That compaq portable is so cool! It has this huge video card that supports CGA, NTSC composite, and has the controller for the built-in CRT |
| 06:30.16 | Piete | 'portable' |
| 06:30.36 | Piete | 'luggable' 'portable' 'laptops |
| 06:30.46 | Piete | 'notebooks' >-- ZAURUS |
| 06:30.50 | Piete | evolution :P |
| 06:31.26 | quarkquasar | i'm a Zaurus fan, but still wouldn't give up my HP Pavillion |
| 06:31.49 | quarkquasar | N5415 |
| 06:32.53 | Piete | "hey whats your phone number?" "Its ah, 23.." "wait, lemme just get my 'pda'... *oohhf*, *arghf*, ok, *pant* here it *pant* is.. Now speak quickly before the battery dies*" |
| 06:34.25 | quarkquasar | well'p better get to bed, big day @ ASU physics lab, and to quote scanline, won't let the clowns get me ;) |
| 06:34.52 | scanline | huh? |
| 06:35.23 | treke|home | darn. I wish something would get you |
| 06:35.23 | scanline | those were cosplayers, not clowns, and it was gonkulator, not me. |
| 06:35.28 | quarkquasar | Arizona State University, if wondering |
| 06:36.25 | quarkquasar | well look, just made my first /. foes >:) |
| 06:36.57 | quarkquasar | anyway see ya'll |
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| 09:24.56 | Zxcvb | any news on the sd module for kernel 2.4.19? |
| 09:25.53 | kolla | no |
| 09:26.18 | Zxcvb | they are working on a compatability layer for 2.4.6 modules |
| 09:26.44 | kolla | yes |
| 09:27.13 | Zxcvb | can it run anything yet? |
| 09:27.16 | Bala | no |
| 09:27.31 | Bala | so i guess theres your news :) |
| 09:27.47 | Zxcvb | any idea when it would implement enough to run a few basic sample modules compiled for 2.4.6? |
| 09:28.25 | Bala | no clue... i |
| 09:28.33 | Bala | havent the foggiest |
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| 12:04.47 | frankps | hi all! |
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| 12:23.55 | HeatSink | hello all? |
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| 13:40.23 | djk | ibot seen cloudchaser |
| 13:40.28 | | cloudchaser <~Cloudchas@ool-182d0f58.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 1d 18h 58m 53s ago, saying: 'nope..i blame myself'. |
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| 14:04.38 | icefox | Happy birthday to me :-D |
| 14:17.18 | SillyZ | happe bday icefox |
| 14:17.36 | icefox | Thanks |
| 14:18.40 | SillyZ | how many years young ? |
| 14:19.57 | icefox | 22 |
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| 14:20.33 | BigBoss | hey |
| 14:21.21 | Twiun | Hiya BB! |
| 14:21.30 | SillyZ | schweet! congrats icefox |
| 14:21.37 | SillyZ | << just turned 31 last month |
| 14:22.24 | BigBoss | you just turn 21 icefox? :) |
| 14:22.29 | icefox | 22 |
| 14:22.49 | Pendalar | hey icefox |
| 14:22.53 | Pendalar | did you get my email? |
| 14:22.56 | icefox | oh yah |
| 14:23.00 | icefox | let me look for that |
| 14:23.02 | Pendalar | and happy bday ;-) |
| 14:23.03 | icefox | one sec |
| 14:23.06 | Pendalar | heh |
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| 14:26.53 | icefox | Pendalar: forgot for pkg in `find $pkg_dir -name '*.ipk' -maxdepth 1 | sort`; do |
| 14:26.54 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.06 | icefox | and then the script |
| 14:27.16 | icefox | but TEST first in a small dir |
| 14:27.24 | icefox | you will probably have to make some small modifications |
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| 14:29.56 | Pendalar | ok |
| 14:32.52 | Pendalar | looks like it'll work |
| 14:33.15 | icefox | ok, yah I just scraped that together from a number of differnt scripts |
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| 14:35.06 | Pendalar | sed -e "s/^Filename:.*//g" <-- hurts to think about |
| 14:36.17 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:36.32 | icefox | just to clean up from all of the java users who make it in windows |
| 14:37.00 | icefox | and old ipks make with the script provided by Sharp |
| 14:37.09 | icefox | Sharp Japan, not Sharp as in Me |
| 14:37.52 | Pendalar | lol |
| 14:38.25 | Pendalar | should I somehow test "if (good ipk) skip", or rebuild em all? |
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| 14:38.46 | Twiun | hey Jason |
| 14:38.56 | Pendalar | well I guess the better question is how fast is the fixing of 1? |
| 14:39.09 | Pendalar | there's only about 700 or so I'm finding |
| 14:46.06 | SillyZ | ok urpmi.removemedia "Name of Media" |
| 14:46.14 | SillyZ | whoops |
| 14:46.18 | SillyZ | wrong channel :) sorry |
| 14:46.23 | Twiun | lol |
| 14:48.49 | icefox | A one-line command will do that for Unix users, and for others, inexpensive software from companies such as AccessData works well. |
| 14:48.56 | icefox | talking about wiping hd clean |
| 14:49.06 | icefox | has anyone here actually sold hd's? |
| 14:49.18 | icefox | I think I am on the never ending rma trip |
| 14:49.33 | icefox | I don't think I have ever sold/given away a hd |
| 14:50.21 | Pendalar | ya I was reading about that |
| 14:50.29 | Pendalar | I've bought used HDs if that counts |
| 14:50.40 | Pendalar | got a pretty good one from a lawyer few years back |
| 14:50.58 | Pendalar | the rest were fun to poke around but nothing neat |
| 14:50.59 | icefox | SCSI? |
| 14:51.16 | Pendalar | ye |
| 14:51.46 | Twiun | what do people think of the Shuttle mini pc's? |
| 14:52.22 | Twiun | thinking of getting the low end model for £120 (for my web/mail server) |
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| 14:52.51 | BigBoss | anyone want to try tkcMail? We got the ssl stuff working and all the pOP stuff, all that is left is to finalize the IMAP work, so this should be very close to final |
| 14:53.20 | Twiun | I would but I'm not hooked up with the Z :( |
| 14:53.27 | Twiun | *and* running OZ to top it all |
| 14:54.06 | BigBoss | yea, we'd prefer to not have the added possibility of incompatibilities with oz on top of the test |
| 14:54.39 | Twiun | understandable |
| 14:54.56 | Pendalar | on OZ, sorry |
| 14:56.14 | BigBoss | well I'm gonna be back in forth, if anyone would like to test it, then PM me with your email address |
| 14:56.29 | Pendalar | I have a friend locally with sharp rom |
| 14:56.39 | Pendalar | let me see if he has a wifi/etc |
| 14:57.21 | Pendalar | or is this via cradle? |
| 14:58.13 | BigBoss | network connection, however acquired |
| 14:58.18 | BigBoss | typically a wireless card |
| 14:59.11 | chouimat | lol from a onlinestore' hard disk description: average seek time: 9.5 minutes,18 minutes |
| 14:59.40 | BigBoss | hahahaha |
| 14:59.48 | BigBoss | that is monkeys looking up in file cabinets |
| 15:00.09 | chouimat | BigBoss: :) |
| 15:00.17 | Pendalar | bet they sell a ton of em =-/ |
| 15:00.36 | chouimat | Pendalar: WD 100GB E-IDE 7200RPM UltraATA100 Hard Drive |
| 15:01.30 | Pendalar | WD is crap anyways |
| 15:01.33 | BigBoss | well that doesn't surprise me, WD sucks, at least in my experience, every single one has gone bad |
| 15:01.42 | BigBoss | in a short period of time too |
| 15:01.53 | Pendalar | yep within a year ish |
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| 15:02.00 | Pendalar | right outside base warrenty |
| 15:02.11 | Pendalar | at least get a cheap maxtor |
| 15:02.13 | chouimat | BigBoss: ok I will stick withIBM and Maxtor |
| 15:02.40 | chouimat | Pendalar: was looking for price and they don't have a maxtor bigger than 40GB |
| 15:03.39 | BigBoss | chouimat: yea, those are my two of choice, I've had the best luck with Maxtor, never had a drive go bad, I've had some problems with IBM 40gb, but their 80's have been working great |
| 15:03.51 | BigBoss | I got 80gb IBM drives for $85 like 6 months ago |
| 15:04.05 | chouimat | BigBoss: the only ibm i have is a 17gb scsi-3 one |
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| 15:04.49 | Pendalar | I have yet to have a Maxtor go bad, but have only used 2 and one isn't being used 24/7 |
| 15:05.02 | BigBoss | I only need the massive drives to support our build system and my radio station |
| 15:05.03 | chouimat | BigBoss: the 60gb maxtor is at 190$ (CAD) |
| 15:05.12 | BigBoss | that isn't a very good price |
| 15:05.17 | BigBoss | did you check pricewatch and newegg? |
| 15:06.57 | chouimat | BigBoss I'm in Canada so it's a little more expensive than us |
| 15:07.10 | BigBoss | ljp: what's the incentive that you want to be on the tkc list again? |
| 15:07.27 | BigBoss | I'm not going to have you continue to spread your wild and wrong theories about ffmpeg |
| 15:08.59 | Pendalar | BB aren't you going to have a OZ test at some point? |
| 15:09.14 | BigBoss | not specific |
| 15:09.15 | Pendalar | or 'hey it's linux, if you stray from the standard, good luck' |
| 15:09.28 | BigBoss | no, more like if you stray from the supported platform, good luck |
| 15:09.32 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 15:09.36 | BigBoss | we dont' have the resources to support it |
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| 15:09.41 | Pendalar | understandable |
| 15:09.52 | BigBoss | it's hard enough supporting the changes in the A300, B500 and C700 |
| 15:10.00 | BigBoss | and that's just with the official roms |
| 15:10.20 | Pendalar | couldn't you 'hire' another just for that? I mean if you had more OZ people buying, it would pay for having another person |
| 15:10.22 | Pendalar | in theory |
| 15:10.35 | ljp_work | umm, perhaps because I am a paying customer |
| 15:11.18 | chouimat | Pendalar: and in theory communism works |
| 15:11.21 | Pendalar | <clapping> good answer, good answer |
| 15:11.44 | Pendalar | yes it does, but humans are fickle greedy creatures which should be removed from the planet before they destroy it |
| 15:11.48 | BigBoss | Pendalar: if I had money to pay for something that almost no one uses from our customer base |
| 15:11.56 | Pendalar | as soon as I get my space shuttle ready... <runs> |
| 15:12.07 | BigBoss | ljp: you aren't the only person that's been kicked off that list, if you need to support you can email me privately |
| 15:12.24 | ljp_work | heh |
| 15:12.24 | Pendalar | umm BB... you don't have a OZ customer base because.. you don't support it |
| 15:12.28 | BigBoss | ljp: your continued insistance in spreading FUD about ffmpeg and other topics means that you are not welcome on that list |
| 15:12.31 | Pendalar | cart/horse |
| 15:12.45 | ljp_work | not to get support.. to give it.. seeing as you are unwilling to support your apps on openzaurus/opie |
| 15:12.54 | BigBoss | Pendalar: out of our 13,000 or so customers, based on feedback, about 20 people are using oz/opie |
| 15:13.00 | ljp_work | one of us has to do it for you |
| 15:13.17 | chouimat | BigBoss: I would to it, in exchange of the apps |
| 15:13.17 | BigBoss | ljp: here we go with this again, there shouldn't be any support necessary because you claim to be compatible |
| 15:13.19 | Pendalar | right, I got that... but that's because you don't offically support it |
| 15:13.31 | BigBoss | Pendalar: I don't think that's the case |
| 15:13.51 | BigBoss | most of the feedback I've gotten is that it's been buggy as hell up until this recent 3.1 release candidate |
| 15:13.56 | Pendalar | if you can't say it'll work, someone on OZ would have to be stupid to buy it.. |
| 15:14.10 | Pendalar | most people I talk to use OZ, or at least have tried it |
| 15:14.10 | ljp_work | oh, no support? then why do you even have a support mailing list. after all, they run on sharp zaurus |
| 15:14.32 | BigBoss | it would also be very nice if the oz and opie people would stop bad mouthing every single one of our apps at every opportunity, especially when most of them haven't used them |
| 15:14.38 | Pendalar | OZ isn't buggy imho, opie needs a ass slap now and again |
| 15:14.55 | BigBoss | we support our apps on the sharp rom on our mail list |
| 15:15.03 | chouimat | BigBoss: can't badmouth them I don't have them |
| 15:15.04 | BigBoss | if you want to support oz/opie, then support it on your mail list |
| 15:15.17 | ljp_work | and by not supporting opie, you are disregarding more than 5000 users worldwide |
| 15:15.19 | BigBoss | chouimat: but that doesn't stop a lot of people in oz/opie doing it anyway |
| 15:15.38 | BigBoss | ljp: no I'm not, you claim to be compatible, there should be nothing we have to do |
| 15:15.44 | chouimat | BigBoss: some of them even do that with OZ so ... |
| 15:16.30 | ljp_work | yes, there is, because you use zaurus specific calls, and opie runs on more than just zaurus... |
| 15:16.53 | Pendalar | true, supporting OZ/opie might open up your customer base beyond z's ;-) |
| 15:17.04 | ljp_work | we already DO take tkc support crap.. even on opie byugs |
| 15:17.17 | BigBoss | see, here comes the attitude |
| 15:17.27 | BigBoss | I never run around talking about how often all the opie apps crash |
| 15:17.34 | ljp_work | oh, and I shouldnt have an attitude ? |
| 15:17.41 | chouimat | ljp_work: calm down |
| 15:17.49 | BigBoss | no, you shouldn't given that you guys give a hell of a lot more crap than you receive |
| 15:18.04 | BigBoss | talking about warezing our stuff |
| 15:18.06 | Pendalar | I'll be honest, opie does have nice features but it has bugs for tradeoff... but you could do OZ/qtopia OZ/picoGUI |
| 15:18.15 | BigBoss | telling people our apps don't work when you've never used them |
| 15:18.30 | ljp_work | well, perhaps if you had been more honest, or maybe informed about the use of ffmeg, that wouldnt have set me/us off in the first place |
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| 15:18.34 | BigBoss | We make our apps for the Sharp Zaurus at this point with the Sharp rom |
| 15:18.35 | Pendalar | I'm very happy with OZ by itself |
| 15:19.04 | BigBoss | ljp_work: you are absolutely 100% wrong on that issue, you made up your mind about what happened and by god the truth is not going to sway your opinion come fire or water |
| 15:19.29 | ljp_work | how am I wrong? you specifically told me you wrote the codecs yourself? |
| 15:19.35 | ljp_work | and then later recanted |
| 15:19.55 | ljp_work | perhaps it was an honest mistake by you |
| 15:20.02 | BigBoss | and you are ignoring the entire fact of the follow up information |
| 15:20.09 | BigBoss | we *had* been writing the codecs ourselves |
| 15:20.17 | BigBoss | then ffmpeg was lgpl'd and we decided to use it |
| 15:20.22 | ljp_work | this was*after* you released it |
| 15:20.54 | BigBoss | I had that conversation with someone other than you, and I was yanking his chain because he was ticking me off |
| 15:20.57 | Pendalar | sooo... how about them lakers |
| 15:21.10 | BigBoss | but you've decided to absorb him or channel him or something |
| 15:21.19 | supermatt | I ate spaghetti |
| 15:21.22 | BigBoss | besides it isn't any business of yours what we use or how we use it |
| 15:21.27 | BigBoss | as long as we are legal |
| 15:21.29 | BigBoss | which we are |
| 15:21.32 | ljp_work | I was here and you claimed you wrote the codecs yourself |
| 15:21.43 | BigBoss | how about the lies and rumors about us stealing gpl code for our jabber client |
| 15:21.50 | BigBoss | show me the logs and the dates then |
| 15:21.50 | Pendalar | 'channel him' sounds like a funky religion |
| 15:22.08 | Pendalar | logs in text form are easily tweaked |
| 15:22.28 | ljp_work | check around the date that your player using ffmeg was released |
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| 15:22.29 | BigBoss | they are online |
| 15:22.39 | BigBoss | go ahead and check it |
| 15:22.45 | ljp_work | I dont need to |
| 15:22.52 | BigBoss | besides, we aren't just using raw ffmpeg in any case |
| 15:22.55 | ljp_work | you do, because I know what you said |
| 15:23.21 | BigBoss | again, you are totally wrong, spreading FUD and not interested in simple things like facts |
| 15:23.34 | ljp_work | I have no idea about any jabber stuff |
| 15:23.35 | BigBoss | we've got a huge amount of work other than ffmpeg |
| 15:23.45 | BigBoss | there's your selective memory again |
| 15:23.47 | ljp_work | I am not wrong |
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| 15:24.28 | ljp_work | tell me, then why did you later add a blurb about ffmpeg on your website, when at first, there was no mention of it? |
| 15:25.31 | ljp_work | oh, and just to let you know.. tkc apps run faster on oz |
| 15:25.31 | BigBoss | the same day as I recall - the web master had an archived page that I had written a long time before |
| 15:25.40 | BigBoss | we do our web pages well in advance if we can |
| 15:25.54 | BigBoss | the ffmpeg inclusion was late in the process and I didn't update the page |
| 15:26.07 | BigBoss | you can attribute sinister motivations all day long, but these are the simple facts |
| 15:26.07 | Pendalar | there's a good chance both of you are right.. or wrong... so ;-) |
| 15:26.23 | Pendalar | you could always type /ignore *username |
| 15:26.26 | BigBoss | I've explained this numerous times to ljp, he just chooses to either not listen or not believe |
| 15:26.43 | ljp_work | ok, I can accept that, but you still stated after it was released, that you wrote the codecs, and thats what pissed me off. because I noticed more than alot of similiarities |
| 15:27.01 | chouimat | BigBoss: the important it's that your apps work and you're legal, the rest is just .... |
| 15:27.09 | Piete | man, milkdrop HAS to be the best viz for winamp |
| 15:27.16 | Piete | it sucks that its not available for linux |
| 15:27.39 | Piete | I sometimes boot into windows just too look at it for an hour or so |
| 15:27.54 | BigBoss | opie and oz piss me off every day because of the fud and lies you say about us - do I run around telling everyone your shit because of it? |
| 15:27.54 | Twiun | lol - isn't there a compat layer for xmms to use winamp plugins? |
| 15:27.56 | Pendalar | that's sad Piete... boot into windows for a skin.. |
| 15:28.08 | Piete | Pendalar: its not a skin dude |
| 15:28.14 | Pendalar | ljp are you on the oz or opie team? |
| 15:28.15 | Piete | Pendalar: its a visualization |
| 15:28.26 | Pendalar | well =-P get technical |
| 15:28.29 | Piete | Twiun: yea, milkdrop doesnt work with it unfortunately |
| 15:28.33 | Pendalar | it's a purdy thing with winamp |
| 15:28.53 | Piete | Pendalar: skins are startic, good visualizations are different every time |
| 15:28.54 | Twiun | oh well |
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| 15:30.13 | rastakid | Anyone has perl working on the Zaurus? And if yes, how is it? Is the performance good enough? Is it complete (except perldoc)? etc..? please, give me some feedback about this. |
| 15:31.33 | Piete | man, this is awesome.. try it, if by chance, you are in windows :) http://www.nullsoft.com/free/milkdrop/ |
| 15:32.34 | rastakid | whoa, these days you'll need a GeForce 4 TI to play your music... :-/ |
| 15:32.43 | Piete | rastakid: not true |
| 15:32.57 | Piete | rastakid: I have a geforce2 MX 200, and it plays fine |
| 15:33.05 | rastakid | yeah, but I've got less than that. |
| 15:33.06 | Piete | at around 80fps too |
| 15:33.18 | Piete | rastakid: well, try it anyway, maybe it will work :) |
| 15:33.28 | Pendalar | this has some intel vid chipset ;-) |
| 15:33.37 | Piete | ouch |
| 15:33.38 | Pendalar | wouldn't trust it to run gnome |
| 15:33.39 | Piete | ah well |
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| 15:37.02 | chouimat | anyone have screenshot of qtopia 1.6.0beta4? and what are the changes? |
| 15:37.20 | ljp_work | Pendalar: I am opie dev, but am closely tied/watching oz dev |
| 15:37.31 | Pendalar | nice |
| 15:37.42 | Pendalar | everyone is into a nice project but me =-P |
| 15:37.52 | ljp_work | get yourself involved |
| 15:38.59 | chouimat | ljp_work: do you know what are the change in qtopia 1.6beta4? |
| 15:39.23 | ljp_work | not sure, I think 1.6 has plugins |
| 15:39.52 | ljp_work | oh |
| 15:39.55 | ljp_work | not qtopiedesktop heh |
| 15:40.23 | chouimat | ljp_work: not the trolltech opie like thingy :) |
| 15:40.30 | chouimat | s/not/no |
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| 15:41.11 | ljp_work | well, I now from qtopia 1.5, that 1.6 has more plugin interfaces |
| 15:41.26 | ljp_work | I believe the docs tab is more of a fileselector |
| 15:42.03 | chouimat | ljp: ok. I think we should add that to oz buildroot :) |
| 15:42.26 | ljp_work | to opie? |
| 15:42.42 | chouimat | ljp_work: no to OZ |
| 15:43.09 | ljp_work | hmm, that might be interesting |
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| 15:43.19 | ljp_work | you'd have to patch it though |
| 15:43.27 | ljp_work | probably |
| 15:44.18 | chouimat | ljp_work: I currently have the 1.5sdk, the opie one and will add the 1.6 to my desktop |
| 15:44.55 | chouimat | hmmm cvs.sf.net is still down |
| 15:45.28 | rastakid | Anyone has perl working on the Zaurus? And if yes, how is it? Is the performance good enough? Is it complete (except perldoc)? etc..? please, give me some feedback about this. |
| 15:46.26 | ljp_work | chouimat: the qtopia cvs at sf has been discontinued |
| 15:47.41 | chouimat | ljp: yup I just saw taht |
| 15:49.16 | ljp_work | they never really used that anyway |
| 15:49.52 | ljp_work | and have a seperate tree for the real development |
| 15:50.25 | chouimat | ljp_work: I'm rsync it |
| 15:58.38 | cor | rastakid: i haven't got perl working, from what i can see, it's available for download/install |
| 15:58.43 | cor | 5.6.1 |
| 15:58.54 | rastakid | cor: yes, found it at zauruszone.farplanet.net. |
| 15:59.22 | icefox | opie + qpe = 1 |
| 15:59.22 | icefox | opie + x = .9! |
| 15:59.22 | icefox | qpe = .1! |
| 15:59.23 | icefox | (x + qpe + opie) - (qpe) = x |
| 15:59.23 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.24 | icefox | thus |
| 15:59.25 | icefox | qpe = x |
| 15:59.27 | icefox | hehe |
| 15:59.31 | icefox | sorry off topic, but amusing |
| 16:00.29 | chouimat | icefox: bored? |
| 16:00.45 | icefox | no, just doing my job |
| 16:00.47 | icefox | kinda |
| 16:01.08 | ljp_work | hmm, thats some weird algebra you got going |
| 16:01.24 | icefox | actually it is valid |
| 16:01.25 | ljp_work | but opie + qpe != 1 |
| 16:01.37 | icefox | yah it is |
| 16:01.42 | icefox | see the first statement |
| 16:01.45 | ljp_work | where'd .1 come from? |
| 16:01.51 | icefox | not .1 .1! |
| 16:01.58 | icefox | .1111111111111111.... |
| 16:02.14 | icefox | I was making up numbers |
| 16:02.24 | icefox | it was part of the posts on the opie/familiar list |
| 16:02.37 | icefox | no one else was posting numbers so I made them up |
| 16:02.43 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 16:02.52 | icefox | everyone was just asuming |
| 16:04.53 | icefox | if we are going to play with numbers, might as well make them fun |
| 16:05.01 | icefox | .3! x 3 = 1 |
| 16:06.38 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 16:06.48 | kergoth | hey. |
| 16:07.20 | icefox | or how about set a { 1, 2, 3... } set b { 1/seta{1}, 1/seta{2}..... } set c { all numbers not in setb } set c is greater then infinity |
| 16:07.29 | icefox | hey kergoth |
| 16:07.57 | icefox | figured that one out in middle school. Turns out it was already discovered long ago and already had a name. Boy was I bummed |
| 16:08.03 | ljp_work | oh, thats far too compilcated |
| 16:08.21 | icefox | called transfinitecardnel or something I forget the details now |
| 16:09.56 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 16:10.03 | Twiun | hey 'goth |
| 16:10.14 | Twiun | ibot: change 249 EUR to GBP |
| 16:10.40 | Twiun | yikes |
| 16:10.45 | Twiun | cheaper in the UK |
| 16:13.13 | icefox | cool found the proof can I post it? 8 lines |
| 16:13.24 | icefox | http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/sci/A0849267.html |
| 16:13.27 | icefox | http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/51472.html |
| 16:14.58 | *** part/#zaurus tronical (~simon@fauia27.informatik.uni-erlangen.de) |
| 16:16.00 | icefox | Figuring out some math equation and having the girl in 6th grade you have a cruch on think it is a lie: a bummer. In 12th grade that same girl getting slapped down by the math teacher for not beliving it: priceless |
| 16:21.22 | chouimat | icefox: go back to work |
| 16:21.22 | ljp_work | later marrying that girl: stupidity |
| 16:21.47 | chouimat | ljp_work: not stupidity, it's insanity |
| 16:22.37 | icefox | exactly I didnt' marry her |
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| 16:23.38 | warmi | hi |
| 16:23.46 | icefox | hi warmi |
| 16:23.50 | icefox | you missed all of the fun |
| 16:24.01 | warmi | yeah, I always do ... |
| 16:24.03 | warmi | what was that ? |
| 16:24.17 | icefox | transfinite cardinal's |
| 16:24.19 | chouimat | hi warmi. do you know where I can get an ipaq for cheap, but really really cheap |
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| 16:24.26 | icefox | ebay |
| 16:24.26 | icefox | ? |
| 16:25.06 | warmi | chouimat: yeah, I would think ebay - I got mine 3835 for $300 but I don't think you would consider that "really, really cheap" |
| 16:25.24 | icefox | hmm, maybe the mit swap |
| 16:25.26 | warmi | I mean I got mine from some web store - it wasn't ebay |
| 16:25.33 | chouimat | ibot change 300 usd to cad |
| 16:25.46 | warmi | btu I would think ebay would have them cheaper |
| 16:25.58 | icefox | this url has no relation to my above posts: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/whoisben/gallery/photo.php?gallery=Other/Art%20Work/&file=IMAGE2.JPG |
| 16:25.59 | chouimat | warmi: the 3835 is a 32MB one or a 64MB ? |
| 16:26.07 | warmi | 64 MB + SD slot |
| 16:26.09 | cor | ibot it's more like $1USD == $3,342,467CDN |
| 16:26.10 | | cor: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:26.42 | warmi | icefox: you still drawing ? |
| 16:26.49 | icefox | every once in a while |
| 16:26.56 | icefox | Finally found a bunch of my drawing books |
| 16:27.00 | warmi | well, I would be drawing too - if I knew how to .. |
| 16:27.02 | icefox | will scan them sometimes |
| 16:27.02 | warmi | ;-) |
| 16:27.18 | warmi | chouimat: what you want that ipaq for ? |
| 16:27.27 | warmi | running Qtopia or PocketPC ? |
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| 16:27.39 | FrenkYo | hi |
| 16:27.55 | FrenkYo | anyone have connected the zaurus with the usb cradle :? |
| 16:27.55 | warmi | hi |
| 16:28.18 | FrenkYo | I've a problem with the debian I supouse... |
| 16:28.18 | warmi | FrenkYo: from Windows ? |
| 16:28.18 | chouimat | warmi: both |
| 16:28.24 | warmi | oh Debian .. |
| 16:28.25 | FrenkYo | from Linux |
| 16:28.27 | FrenkYo | :< |
| 16:28.27 | icefox | FrenkYo: please give more info |
| 16:28.32 | icefox | what distro |
| 16:28.33 | icefox | Morning |
| 16:28.39 | icefox | kergoth |
| 16:28.45 | FrenkYo | the device /dev/usb* didn't appears in /dev/ |
| 16:28.50 | FrenkYo | woody 3.0 |
| 16:28.59 | icefox | did you see my howto for debian? |
| 16:29.02 | icefox | ibot howtos |
| 16:29.04 | | well, howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 16:29.12 | warmi | chouimat: I am sure you can get cheaper 32 MBs ipaqs for around $200 |
| 16:29.54 | FrenkYo | icefox: I've red it |
| 16:30.03 | FrenkYo | and I've configured so the debian |
| 16:30.24 | FrenkYo | I paste you the /var/log/messages about the usb |
| 16:30.28 | icefox | when you plug it in what shows up |
| 16:30.29 | icefox | ok |
| 16:30.38 | warmi | chouimat: check this out :http://consumerguide.dealtime.com/xCN-Computers/FN-Personal%20Organizers/PN-Compaq%20iPAQ%20Pocket%20PC%20H3835%20Personal%20Organizers/FD-9/PD-20153229/act_kw-COMPAQ%20IPAQ%203835%20POCKET%20PC/kworg-COMPAQ%20IPAQ%203835%20POCKET%20PC/linkin_id-2059299/compare-prices.html |
| 16:31.01 | FrenkYo | Jan 16 18:30:36 FrenkYo kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:04.2-1, assigned address 6 |
| 16:31.02 | FrenkYo | Jan 16 18:30:36 FrenkYo kernel: usb.c: USB device 6 (vend/prod 0x4dd/0x8004) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 16:31.02 | FrenkYo | Jan 16 18:30:39 FrenkYo /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup acm for USB product 4dd/8004/0 |
| 16:31.03 | warmi | the cheapest one goes for $279.00 |
| 16:31.25 | icefox | FrenkYo: make sure the driver is loaded |
| 16:31.33 | FrenkYo | I think the problem is that I don't have the /dev/usb* |
| 16:31.46 | FrenkYo | icefox, how can I load the driver :? |
| 16:31.55 | icefox | modprob usbdnet |
| 16:32.32 | kergoth | icefox: received my loaner c700 from dynamism. pretty slick unit. |
| 16:32.37 | FrenkYo | FrenkYo:~# modprobe usbdnet |
| 16:32.37 | FrenkYo | Warning: /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel/drivers/usb/usbdnet.o symbol for parameter echo_tx not found |
| 16:32.44 | FrenkYo | :< |
| 16:32.53 | icefox | that is ok |
| 16:33.44 | FrenkYo | YESSSSSS |
| 16:33.51 | FrenkYo | thank you :! |
| 16:34.18 | cor | when the z is docked to a linux machine (via usb cradle) does it have an inet connection like it does when using windows? |
| 16:34.59 | icefox | I don't use windows so I can't comment on that, but there is a network connection |
| 16:35.02 | icefox | try to ftp in |
| 16:36.49 | cor | so tcp/ip is shared via usb to the cradle? |
| 16:39.33 | SukoShi_ | cor: you need usbnet module |
| 16:39.37 | SukoShi_ | for your kernel |
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| 16:39.52 | cor | according the the myzaurus.com faqs mdk has it built in :) |
| 16:40.15 | kergoth | yeah, too bad usbdnet is absolute crap |
| 16:40.49 | cor | kergoth: don't really care about under the hood, as long as it works ;) |
| 16:41.06 | kergoth | no |
| 16:41.09 | kergoth | its _crap_ |
| 16:41.09 | kergoth | as in |
| 16:41.13 | kergoth | it _will_ crash you machine |
| 16:41.13 | cor | i'm tired of waiting for usb to work properly in linux |
| 16:41.18 | kergoth | its worthless |
| 16:41.18 | cor | oh |
| 16:41.22 | kergoth | and causes kernel panics |
| 16:41.27 | cor | heh that's a different story then, thx |
| 16:41.33 | kergoth | np |
| 16:41.41 | kergoth | look into usbnet, which in 2.4.21-pre supports the Z |
| 16:41.45 | kergoth | patch against 2.4.20 is available |
| 16:41.59 | kergoth | so all the distros will have it soon enough |
| 16:42.05 | cor | i'll stick to sync'in with windows, while i wait patiently for an os x version someday :\ |
| 16:42.15 | icefox | get a serial |
| 16:42.37 | icefox | I got the howto for linux to the point where you don't have to do *anything* on the zaurus to get it to work |
| 16:42.39 | icefox | yah me! |
| 16:42.45 | cor | (or mdk10/rh9 whatever comes first) |
| 16:43.02 | BigBoss | mdk10 will probably never come out |
| 16:43.21 | cor | BigBoss: that's a good point too...well somebody in the community will pick up where they left off |
| 16:43.26 | SukoShi_ | not sure |
| 16:43.33 | Twiun | yeah, just noticed... time to consider debian or some other distro methinks |
| 16:43.37 | kergoth | hey SukoShi_, BigBoss |
| 16:43.44 | cor | kinda like a Eazel |
| 16:44.45 | cor | icefox: hmm, i guess if you don't use the windows/usb/Z combo then you haven't experienced problems with the Qtopia network util either? |
| 16:45.15 | BigBoss | hey kergoth |
| 16:45.29 | BigBoss | cor: maybe, but no one picked up storm, or progeny or any of a host of others |
| 16:46.10 | treke | icefox: what where you smoking when you did your opie post :) |
| 16:46.12 | icefox | cor: I simply don't use the Qtopia network util. Solves that problem :-D |
| 16:46.30 | icefox | treke: my 1 = .9! |
| 16:46.33 | treke | yes |
| 16:46.51 | icefox | eh, just trying to point out that all of the bickering is pointless sense no one has numbers |
| 16:47.17 | icefox | .99999.... + .1111111.... - .11111111.... = 1 |
| 16:47.49 | tux_mike | .9 repeating does equal one |
| 16:48.08 | tux_mike | there is no equasion where you can get .9 repeating natuarlly. |
| 16:48.23 | icefox | tux_mike: how about 1/3? |
| 16:48.25 | icefox | x3 |
| 16:48.33 | tux_mike | you should get 1 |
| 16:48.44 | icefox | exactly :-D |
| 16:48.47 | cor | BigBoss: i'm unfortunately as guilty as the next guy for mdk's downfall, i never finacially supported them once, even though i've used their products for a few years now :( |
| 16:48.59 | icefox | mdk? |
| 16:49.08 | tux_mike | icefox: i try to tell people this, but no one belives me |
| 16:49.09 | cor | mdk == Mandrake |
| 16:49.37 | icefox | ah |
| 16:49.38 | sjohnson | You will always have problems whem trying to represent infinate long number on finite devices. |
| 16:50.07 | BigBoss | cor: they made their own problem by severe mismanagement |
| 16:50.09 | icefox | I used manrake back in the redhat 5 days, but now debian is fine |
| 16:50.38 | BigBoss | debian on the desktop is becoming a real problem now because everyone is independantly updating their KDE |
| 16:50.48 | BigBoss | it's a bitch trying to package for anything with these KDE and gcc changes |
| 16:52.42 | treke | it should stabilize soon. gcc 3.2 is in now |
| 16:53.23 | BigBoss | once everyone is on gcc 3.2, it will be great |
| 16:53.30 | BigBoss | but debian will be 2 years getting to it |
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| 16:54.29 | icefox | actually Debian plans on having KDE 3.1 in sid at the end of last week (i.e. any day now) |
| 16:54.33 | icefox | see #debian-kde |
| 16:54.49 | BigBoss | KDE 3.1 isn't final yet |
| 16:55.09 | icefox | was suppost to come out yesterday and the day before that.... |
| 16:55.12 | icefox | it will soon |
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| 16:56.24 | BigBoss | I'll be very glad when debian and kde 3.1 are in sync |
| 16:56.32 | tux_mike | i dont' think kde 3.1 will ever be final |
| 16:58.15 | icefox | at some point it will be simply to get it out the door and to be soon followed by 3.11! |
| 16:58.31 | BigBoss | the delay was a good thing |
| 16:58.33 | tux_mike | bigboss: so will i |
| 16:59.04 | tux_mike | it means i may just be able to try debian :) |
| 16:59.18 | BigBoss | i use to use it, but the KDE thing pushed me to gentoo |
| 16:59.30 | icefox | eh maybe, but apt-get isn't |
| 16:59.36 | BigBoss | apt-get is cool |
| 16:59.53 | icefox | apt-get is _the_ distro app that every distro should have |
| 16:59.59 | Wintre | Heh |
| 17:00.06 | treke | dselect > apt-get |
| 17:00.07 | ljp_work | too bad there's no user friendly interface to apt-get |
| 17:00.27 | Wintre | apt-get is good indeed but what you need is a biiiig ol' set of packages |
| 17:00.33 | tux_mike | i want something that's faster than rh8 and that can run acroread and crosover |
| 17:00.44 | bipolar | ljp_work: Some would say that apt-get is a user friendly interface :) |
| 17:00.59 | Wintre | An apt-get replacement for e.h. Red Hat has never been hard to make but the distribution itself is missing a lot of what you want, and ergo, you're more likely to have to go outside the packaging system |
| 17:01.22 | bipolar | kpackage does apt |
| 17:02.25 | icefox | an apt frontend wouldn't be that hard I would guess. search, install, output? |
| 17:02.36 | treke | how about synaptic? |
| 17:02.38 | icefox | it is probably one of the resasons that there isn't one, the command line version is so simply |
| 17:02.43 | icefox | simple |
| 17:03.06 | ljp_work | apt-get is far from user friendly |
| 17:03.11 | Wintre | The only apt frontend I want is one which makes finding a given package easier |
| 17:03.24 | Wintre | For some reason apt-cache search doesn't really do it for me. |
| 17:03.41 | icefox | that is what grep is for |
| 17:03.48 | ljp_work | key word is "user".. not techie, not 'leet dood', by user.. |
| 17:03.51 | icefox | apt-cache search foo | grep bla |
| 17:03.56 | ljp_work | but user |
| 17:03.59 | icefox | true |
| 17:04.04 | Wintre | icefox: Bah, I shouldn't *have* to use grep |
| 17:04.34 | icefox | nonless we all agree that the idea behind apt-get is a very good one that distros should have |
| 17:05.16 | ljp_work | debian needs something like mandrakes software gui thingy |
| 17:05.55 | icefox | hey cool |
| 17:06.00 | icefox | prelink was added to sid this week |
| 17:06.15 | ljp_work | heck, even opie has a better software package management then apt-get |
| 17:07.07 | icefox | haha |
| 17:07.09 | icefox | indeed |
| 17:07.21 | tux_mike | ipkg still sucks ass |
| 17:07.41 | treke | ljp_work: opie may have a better front end, but the package manager sucks balls |
| 17:07.50 | tux_mike | although, lately i haven't had to reflash my Z because of an ipkg inconsistancy |
| 17:07.59 | ljp_work | about the same as apt-get |
| 17:08.41 | treke | ljp_work: apt-get is just a front end. dpkg sucks much less than ipkg |
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| 17:11.37 | kergoth | ipkg needs a rewrite |
| 17:11.45 | kergoth | or someone needs to make dpkg/apt usable on an embedded system |
| 17:11.46 | ljp_work | I know, but ipkg is for embedded systems with not a lot of space |
| 17:11.54 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:11.56 | kergoth | but it still sucks |
| 17:12.09 | kergoth | the implementation that is, not the concept :) |
| 17:16.18 | ljp_work | you know why Colorado is so windy? |
| 17:16.27 | ljp_work | cause Kansas sucks |
| 17:19.19 | icefox | haha |
| 17:20.55 | ljp_work | anyone grab the source to qoverclock they can email me? ;) |
| 17:21.07 | cor | ljp_work: the one i heard is: you know why the trees in X lean to the n/w/s/e? 'cause X sucks :) |
| 17:21.33 | ljp_work | trees in x!!? ;) |
| 17:21.37 | ljp_work | err X11 |
| 17:21.41 | ljp_work | heh |
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| 18:02.14 | sjborch | chouimat: Good morning |
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| 18:04.24 | rastakid | lol.. morning.. dude, it's 7:05 pm! ;-) |
| 18:13.08 | sjborch | It's anytime you want, all around the world. I'm in California. |
| 18:14.27 | sjborch | rastakid: I suppose I should just say Good Day. |
| 18:15.19 | sjborch | I think it's afternoon for chouimat. |
| 18:15.31 | sjborch | ibot time |
| 18:15.35 | | from memory, time is up! |
| 18:16.04 | sjborch | Is there any news in Zaurus Land? |
| 18:23.28 | cor | of topic, does anybody have a debian install disc handy? if so, can you please tell me if there is a dosutils (or similar) folder on it? |
| 18:28.26 | rastakid | [OT] cor, I don't use debian, but if you're searching for rawrite, why not downloading it from the www? |
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| 18:31.44 | mark | no maths dons about are there? |
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| 18:48.31 | mark | common, own up, who wants to help me with my maths prep? |
| 18:48.57 | treke | mark: 2+2 is 4 |
| 18:49.04 | treke | ok that about covers all the math I remember |
| 18:49.17 | mark | treke: and d/dx(x^2 y) =? |
| 18:49.22 | treke | 5 |
| 18:49.28 | mark | i think not somehow :P |
| 18:49.57 | treke | isnt that x+1? |
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| 18:54.42 | XavierXeon | 2xy |
| 18:55.25 | treke | so I was totally off :) |
| 18:55.47 | treke | althought for some reason I thought that would turn into d/dx(x^2) + d/dx(y) |
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| 18:55.53 | mark | XavierXeon: u sure? |
| 18:55.58 | treke | doh |
| 18:56.24 | XavierXeon | d/dx(x*x*y) = y*d/dx(x*x) = y*2*x |
| 18:56.33 | mark | i think its yx + (x^2)dy/dx |
| 18:56.35 | mark | was thinknig |
| 18:56.41 | XavierXeon | its not a partial derivative so y is a constant |
| 18:58.07 | mark | XavierXeon: i dont know what partial derivatives mean yet, so I can't comment on that, but this is in the middle of differenciating a implicit function |
| 19:00.15 | XavierXeon | a*x^n = n*a*x^(n-1) |
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| 19:03.36 | shishi | hi ! |
| 19:04.07 | shishi | someone can tell me if i can compile in C in my Zaurus(128 MO CF card) ? |
| 19:04.34 | XavierXeon | you can |
| 19:04.59 | shishi | and , what i must install on it? |
| 19:05.04 | icefox | gcc |
| 19:05.05 | shishi | i have openzaurus 3 |
| 19:05.20 | icefox | ibot howtos |
| 19:05.22 | | i heard howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 19:05.24 | XavierXeon | you need to put zgcc on your z. there is an ipk for oz3 at ZSI |
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| 19:21.18 | RealUlli | hi |
| 19:22.39 | icefox | hi |
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| 19:26.44 | RealUlli | hm... is it just me, or *does* the todo list on oz 3.1rc1 have some problems?! (I found no bug report on that...) |
| 19:26.54 | treke | ~sure it has problems |
| 19:29.19 | RealUlli | treke: ok... i'm relieved - it's not just me. :-) |
| 19:29.31 | *** part/#zaurus shishi (~shishi@APuteaux-105-1-1-142.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:30.26 | RealUlli | I'll try to sum up the problems I find (sometimes it's just a feeling - i already found some occasions where it was my fault) and file a bug report... |
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| 19:48.55 | Crossbow | Just got a C700 :) |
| 19:48.59 | Crossbow | Question |
| 19:49.21 | kergoth | ask it |
| 19:50.17 | Crossbow | Thanks !! How do I move my address book from a 5500 to C700? |
| 19:50.48 | icefox | hmmm, don't know and I work for Sharp |
| 19:50.49 | icefox | haha |
| 19:50.56 | RealUlli | may i hazard a guess? :-) |
| 19:51.12 | RealUlli | Crossbow: you got OZ or the sharp rom? |
| 19:51.12 | icefox | I am pretty sure that beaming would be the best way |
| 19:51.47 | Crossbow | I tried to copy addressbook.xml into /home/zaurus/addressbook/ but that did not work |
| 19:52.07 | treke | Crossbow: dofferent file formats. best bet it to sync |
| 19:52.08 | kergoth | Crossbow: its /home/zaurus/Applications/ iirc |
| 19:52.17 | Crossbow | Where does the C700 (factory ROM) store the addresses? |
| 19:52.44 | treke | unless sharp was smart enough to add support for importing |
| 19:53.10 | Crossbow | I have about 350 contacts, I'm not going to beam them individually. |
| 19:54.04 | Crossbow | I do not have intellisync setup. I am an all Linux operation. |
| 19:54.16 | treke | then set up QtopiaDesktop |
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| 19:55.02 | tboc | hi |
| 19:55.28 | Crossbow | Do I get an award for being the first US C700 user to loose thier stylus? |
| 19:57.10 | icefox | man |
| 19:57.12 | icefox | oh was it metal? |
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| 19:57.22 | icefox | I heard that they were metal |
| 19:58.15 | kergoth | Crossbow: treke's correct, its stored in /home/zaurus/Applications/dtm/SLADRS.BOX, different format |
| 19:59.37 | SuKoShi | eheh |
| 19:59.46 | SuKoShi | kergothplays with itsnew toy ;) |
| 20:00.05 | SuKoShi | let's hope itwill give him strenght to port OZ to new SLs |
| 20:03.20 | cor | rastakid [OT] no, i need to install a distro on a really old laptop (can't have cd and floppy in at the same time, can't boot from cd). redhat install cds come with an autoboot.bat that allows the cd to be booted from dos |
| 20:04.01 | kergoth | SuKoShi: as soon asi get those sources... ;) |
| 20:04.42 | rastakid | cor: and the laptop doesn't support CD boot I guess? |
| 20:04.51 | cor | nope |
| 20:05.15 | rastakid | has the laptop an ethernet interface? |
| 20:12.03 | rastakid | if yes, you can do a FTP install from a system somewhere else in your LAN. |
| 20:12.20 | rastakid | or the Internet of course, if you've got the time or a T3 ;-) |
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| 20:31.37 | sjborch | chouimat: Feeling better today? |
| 20:56.18 | cor | rastakid: negative, 56k modem, that's it |
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| 21:06.32 | krezel | Does the stock Z kernel support the Socket low-power 802.11b card? |
| 21:06.56 | SuKoShi | same question, but : has anyone tried the clié wifi card? |
| 21:07.37 | oGMo | actually i heard a couple people usign clie wireless cards couldn't access the network |
| 21:07.46 | SuKoShi | thx |
| 21:07.52 | oGMo | with clies, dunno if they work with Z's or not |
| 21:07.59 | SuKoShi | i heard it is an intel card, in fact |
| 21:08.03 | rastakid | cor, i'm sorry, then I can't help you. Try a Debian release from the web.. |
| 21:08.09 | rastakid | maybe that'll include what you need. |
| 21:09.48 | cor | rastakid: i appreciate the effort :) |
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| 21:17.03 | RealUlli | n8 folks... |
| 21:18.50 | rastakid | good night RealUlli |
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| 21:25.10 | angryLibry | woohoo |
| 21:27.58 | icefox | run |
| 21:28.02 | icefox | I mean fun |
| 21:28.53 | ljp_work | running through the library is fun also |
| 21:28.55 | icefox | kinda like when I parked at a friends house to use his 802.11b, but found it encrypted, but his neighbors wasn't |
| 21:29.06 | ljp_work | heh |
| 21:29.08 | angryLibry | hahah |
| 21:29.26 | angryLibry | kind of wish i was encrypting irc right now |
| 21:29.35 | angryLibry | let me try to WEP |
| 21:29.55 | mrluisp | lol, pretty cool |
| 21:31.34 | angryLibry | how do i check WEP in opie |
| 21:32.16 | icefox | use networksettings |
| 21:32.23 | icefox | click on info |
| 21:32.29 | icefox | pulls up all sorts of goodies |
| 21:32.34 | icefox | I wrote it, I know |
| 21:33.25 | angryLibry | zdoesnt show wep? |
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| 21:34.31 | angryLibry | 344 |
| 21:34.33 | rastakid | I was chatting here while I was in line for the entrance of a computer expo over wireless. |
| 21:34.35 | rastakid | very nice :) |
| 21:34.37 | angryLibry | 0$*&$ |
| 21:34.50 | angryLibry | !!!!!!!! |
| 21:35.53 | angryLibry | its stuck on function!!!!!!! |
| 21:36.56 | angryLibry | how do you take igt ocff |
| 21:38.03 | angryLibry | ahh there we go |
| 21:38.38 | angryLibry | is there a good wireless sniffer in feed |
| 21:38.43 | rastakid | kismet |
| 21:38.55 | rastakid | www.kismetwireless.net |
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| 21:40.31 | icefox | http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/15/1042520666517.html |
| 21:41.25 | angryLibry | how big is the browser for opie |
| 21:41.30 | angryLibry | web browser |
| 21:41.30 | treke | big |
| 21:41.40 | angryLibry | damn |
| 21:41.54 | angryLibry | with my install all i have is 1 meg |
| 21:41.59 | treke | too big |
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| 21:44.03 | kergoth | TimRiker: hey tim |
| 21:47.04 | warmi | icefox: hehee .. on slashdot he would get blasted for claiming that having 1000 different distros, each barely compatible with another, is a bad thing .. |
| 21:47.19 | Mewyn | hey warmi |
| 21:47.24 | icefox | ineed |
| 21:47.40 | icefox | it is one of the only reasons why the z has "succedded" |
| 21:47.43 | icefox | the fact that there is 1 binary |
| 21:47.45 | icefox | no source |
| 21:47.47 | warmi | hi |
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| 21:48.00 | rastakid | hmm.. however source is important. |
| 21:48.01 | icefox | send out ipk's and you are just about garenteed that it will work |
| 21:48.13 | icefox | this was true until oz and for the most part still is |
| 21:48.19 | Mewyn | warmi: i saw a lot of ads for the trib in the sunday paper, no new news? |
| 21:49.08 | warmi | actually, I haven't asked in a while - I will get back to you tommorow |
| 21:49.23 | Mewyn | cool |
| 21:49.47 | Mewyn | it's getting to the point where i need a job. |
| 21:49.55 | warmi | icefox: I thought OPIE ultimate goal is to remain binary compatible with Qtopia ( or sharp version of it) |
| 21:50.06 | sjborch | I didn't think Debian was that far behind. Xandros and Knoppix are both built upon it. |
| 21:50.08 | warmi | Mewyn: I feel you |
| 21:50.18 | kergoth | opie is binary compatible with qtopia |
| 21:50.38 | warmi | kergoth: yeah, I thought so too - until I read abotu some problems with tkc apps |
| 21:50.49 | kergoth | warmi: eh? |
| 21:50.51 | warmi | or at least people claiming they were having problems |
| 21:50.57 | kergoth | warmi: I have _numerous_ reports of functionality. |
| 21:51.03 | kergoth | warmi: they're probably on 3.0, not 3.1rc1 |
| 21:51.16 | kergoth | warmi: sandman found and fixed a number of BC issues |
| 21:51.25 | warmi | could very well be - I am talking about stuff from 2-3 months agi |
| 21:51.26 | warmi | ago |
| 21:51.37 | kergoth | ah yeah |
| 21:51.50 | icefox | warmi: yes and it is binary compatible, but it isn't the same 100% garentee that it will work like when there was only the z |
| 21:52.00 | icefox | example: wget version may be different |
| 21:52.09 | kergoth | icefox: you were never 100% guaranteed that anything would work |
| 21:52.16 | kergoth | icefox: half the apps out there had flawed packages |
| 21:52.21 | icefox | yup |
| 21:52.21 | kergoth | icefox: and didnt install to alternate destinations |
| 21:52.23 | icefox | weee |
| 21:52.23 | warmi | icefox: I agree - I had a problem once with the fact that OZ was using different shell |
| 21:52.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:52.27 | rastakid | kergoth: *if* the ipks were packed good ;) |
| 21:52.37 | warmi | of course , that was my fault for writing shell specific stuff but still |
| 21:52.40 | kergoth | rastakid: if they'd use ipkg-build, they would be |
| 21:52.53 | rastakid | true. |
| 21:52.57 | kergoth | any shell scripts if you want to be portable should use /bin/sh :) |
| 21:53.07 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 21:53.37 | warmi | icefox: C700 is binary compatible with 5500 right ? |
| 21:53.57 | kergoth | warmi: yes, though those binaries wont be optimized for use with it |
| 21:54.09 | warmi | hehe .. that means it is still stuck with that old - Qtopia |
| 21:54.20 | kergoth | its qtopia alright. 1.5.2 |
| 21:54.20 | warmi | the one where half of the stuff is hardcoded etc .. |
| 21:54.23 | icefox | warmi: yes |
| 21:54.58 | warmi | I remember months ago OPIE was way ahead as far as customizability was concerned |
| 21:55.07 | warmi | these days is probably like 2 generations ahead |
| 21:55.09 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:55.31 | warmi | tux_mike: you runing OPIE ? |
| 21:55.35 | kergoth | warmi: indeed. except for the docs tab. newer qtopia on a300/c700/b600 is nicer |
| 21:55.35 | treke | yet in some ways its not much better |
| 21:55.37 | kergoth | warmi: :) |
| 21:55.41 | kergoth | treke: right |
| 21:55.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:55.55 | kergoth | treke: the launcher in general really |
| 21:56.00 | kergoth | treke: most everything else is good |
| 21:56.22 | warmi | does OPIE allow launcher to be replaced by something else ? |
| 21:56.24 | Mewyn | warmi: yah |
| 21:56.29 | Mewyn | i use OZ |
| 21:56.34 | kergoth | warmi: of course you can. i dont know what you mean by allow :) |
| 21:56.39 | treke | warmi: yes and no |
| 21:56.53 | kergoth | treke: assuming your new launcher does certain things, yep |
| 21:56.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:56.59 | warmi | I mean as in loadable during run time |
| 21:57.07 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:57.12 | kergoth | exit launcher, run new launcher |
| 21:57.19 | Mewyn | bbias |
| 21:57.26 | kergoth | its not changable on the fly, because its the QWS server |
| 21:57.28 | treke | warmi: any qtopia application can be the server, but you would have to recreate things like the plugins and inputmethods |
| 21:57.45 | warmi | yeah, that is the problem |
| 21:57.55 | kergoth | not a problem really |
| 21:58.02 | kergoth | just rewrite the launcher, and use hte existing inputmethods and plugins |
| 21:58.09 | kergoth | just revamp art of it |
| 21:58.10 | kergoth | er part |
| 21:58.13 | warmi | if you could separate just the functionality of the tabbed interface into separate library - you could swap that easily |
| 21:58.40 | kergoth | then you arent replacing the launcher |
| 21:58.48 | kergoth | you're talking about replacing the launchers _interface_ |
| 21:58.58 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:58.58 | warmi | yeah, perhaps I wasn't clear - I mean launcher interface |
| 21:58.58 | kergoth | that would be nice though, i agree |
| 21:58.58 | icefox | eh, I want to replace the launcher |
| 21:59.09 | icefox | entirely |
| 21:59.09 | icefox | :-D |
| 21:59.10 | warmi | of course, the functionality would have to be there since every Qtopia app expects that |
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| 21:59.10 | kergoth | yeah ben we know what you want |
| 21:59.10 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:59.19 | kergoth | :P |
| 21:59.28 | icefox | hey! |
| 21:59.37 | warmi | witness dozens of different "graphical shells" for Palm devices |
| 21:59.45 | warmi | cool stuff |
| 21:59.55 | warmi | people like to customize their PDAs heh |
| 22:00.04 | icefox | just think, all you have to do is "drag" the app to the sd icon and it gets moved with no worries |
| 22:00.10 | kergoth | warmi: I like that idea. of making the UI pluginable i mean |
| 22:00.25 | icefox | eh, I am heading home. |
| 22:00.25 | icefox | later |
| 22:00.25 | treke | I really wonder what trolltech was thinking sometimes :) |
| 22:00.26 | kergoth | icefox: make the drag function call a 'install' method of a class in libipkg.so |
| 22:00.28 | kergoth | icefox: ;) |
| 22:00.29 | warmi | later |
| 22:00.33 | kergoth | icefox: ttyl |
| 22:00.49 | icefox | kergoth: the only problem with that would then be dragging it out |
| 22:00.51 | warmi | treke: they weren't - it is clear that the old Qtopia was rushed |
| 22:00.57 | icefox | 100 days |
| 22:01.04 | warmi | they were trying to just get it working |
| 22:01.10 | icefox | how would you have liked to been on that project! |
| 22:01.25 | warmi | dragging it out - hehe |
| 22:01.35 | kergoth | they shouldve spent more of the time designing it, and less of the time hacking it |
| 22:01.39 | kergoth | imho of course |
| 22:01.56 | warmi | well, yeah - but I am sure they were pressured by Sharp |
| 22:02.07 | kergoth | yeah, i'm sure |
| 22:02.37 | warmi | and now looks like we gonna get stuck with the default Qtopia for every Sharp device in the near future - |
| 22:02.47 | warmi | of course there is always OZ/OPIE |
| 22:03.12 | warmi | if it remains binary compatible then it doesn't matter - one can simply get rid of Qtopia |
| 22:03.55 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:04.12 | warmi | what are you working on Kergoth ? |
| 22:04.13 | kergoth | I'm working on adding c700 support to the ODevice class to start on just that |
| 22:04.15 | kergoth | two things |
| 22:04.16 | warmi | hehehe |
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| 22:04.44 | warmi | ODevice is ?? |
| 22:06.37 | tux_mike | what is odevice? |
| 22:06.52 | treke | handles abstracting some device specific stuff |
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| 22:07.39 | treke | mapping buttons, getting the type of device that is being used, changing the backlight brightness |
| 22:07.46 | angryLibry | is there an aim client in opie feed |
| 22:07.52 | treke | angryLibry: no |
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| 22:08.31 | user__ | I tried hitting home 8 times |
| 22:09.37 | tux_mike | fscking ticket |
| 22:09.40 | kergoth | 1) 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1 for 5000d/5500, specifically touchscreen and making the 2.4.6 sd binary module work in 2.4.19 |
| 22:09.46 | kergoth | then a few other bits |
| 22:09.47 | angryLibry | can i just say that i *LOVE* every single person who has worked on OZ/OPIE |
| 22:09.55 | kergoth | getting OZ support for A300/B600/C700 |
| 22:10.12 | angryLibry | it is so much better than sharp rom |
| 22:10.19 | angryLibry | uhoh battery low |
| 22:11.25 | cor | ibot feeds |
| 22:11.30 | | hmm... feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or at http://zfi.zaurii.com/ |
| 22:13.17 | ljp_work | you can say that sure, but only if you mean... |
| 22:13.22 | ljp_work | mean it |
| 22:13.31 | rastakid | good night all |
| 22:13.33 | ljp_work | and will you be there in the morning? |
| 22:13.44 | ljp_work | oh, he quit already |
| 22:13.52 | ljp_work | heh.. doh |
| 22:19.32 | cor | here's another stupid question, is it possible to compile java code on the z? (obviously there's a vm, i'm guessing that doesn't mean there is a javac) |
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| 22:44.57 | gaurdian | anyone awake in here ? |
| 22:45.06 | ljp_work | no |
| 22:45.26 | ljp_work | :) |
| 22:46.05 | gaurdian | heh...ok, well I have a question re: openzaurus. I tried it out the other day, I really like it but I need the word/excell reading apps that are on the sony rom. any plans to include something like that in openzaurus ? |
| 22:47.17 | gaurdian | anyone know ? |
| 22:47.37 | gaurdian | sharp rom I mean |
| 22:48.18 | gaurdian | no one knows ? |
| 22:48.21 | ljp_work | handcom apps work on oz |
| 22:48.47 | gaurdian | oh...ok....where can I get the apps, seperate from the sharp rom ? |
| 22:48.50 | ljp_work | there's scripts that will make an ipkg of them, then when you flash to oz, you can install them |
| 22:49.16 | ljp_work | I think you have to grab them off the sharp rom |
| 22:49.25 | gaurdian | figures |
| 22:49.56 | gaurdian | any plans to include something like that in the OZ rom ? |
| 22:51.03 | ljp_work | probably not, as thiose file formats are proprietary |
| 22:52.51 | gaurdian | thats to bad, I liked Openzaurus..... |
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| 22:55.11 | ljp_work | so install the handcom stuff |
| 22:55.35 | gaurdian | and how do I go about getting them off the rom ? |
| 22:56.43 | ljp_work | there's scripts at zsi that will do that |
| 22:56.51 | gaurdian | zsi ? |
| 22:57.25 | ljp_work | ibot: zsi |
| 22:57.28 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 22:57.30 | ljp_work | hang on |
| 22:57.55 | ljp_work | *sigh |
| 22:58.03 | ljp_work | who changed that one.. |
| 22:58.29 | ljp_work | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 23:00.11 | ljp_work | bbl.. real work |
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| 23:08.13 | quarkquasar | well'p, scanline and treke are now on my /. foes and their /. freaks list(s) |
| 23:08.30 | quarkquasar | no hard feelings scanline |
| 23:08.53 | kergoth | quarkquasar: who cares? |
| 23:08.57 | quarkquasar | no hard feelings treke |
| 23:08.58 | kergoth | quarkquasar: certainly not i |
| 23:09.05 | scanline | slashdot? what's that? |
| 23:09.13 | quarkquasar | just spouting off |
| 23:09.19 | treke | quarkquasar: and I'm suppost to care... why? |
| 23:09.34 | quarkquasar | treke: you're not |
| 23:09.45 | treke | just checking |
| 23:09.45 | kergoth | quarkquasar: spout off elsewhere. some of us have better things to do. |
| 23:13.50 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.42 | scanline | I feel bad for /ban'ing quarkquasar from #picogui... now he's going to terrorize the rest of freenode |
| 23:16.09 | kergoth | scanline: then he'll just get banned from the rest of the channels too |
| 23:16.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:16.29 | scanline | hopefully |
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| 23:20.02 | oGMo | hmm now that i get good results from nuvrec, i wonder how hard it'd be to reencode .nv as divx and watch capped tv shows on my Z ;) |
| 23:20.34 | oGMo | or worthwhile |
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| 23:25.42 | FrenkYo | hi, I've connected my zaurus with an usb connection with my home pc |
| 23:25.54 | FrenkYo | now, how can I upload filez ? |
| 23:26.21 | FrenkYo | I've a CF card 128mb |
| 23:26.53 | FrenkYo | and I've tried to install the qtopiadesktop but I've some problem with the debian |
| 23:27.01 | FrenkYo | rpm -ihv qtopia-desktop-1.6.0beta2-1.i386.rpm |
| 23:27.01 | FrenkYo | error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2) |
| 23:27.01 | FrenkYo | error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm |
| 23:27.20 | kergoth | um |
| 23:27.26 | kergoth | you dont install rpms in debian |
| 23:27.29 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.49 | kergoth | FrenkYo: alien -d qtopia-desktop-1.6.0beta2-1.i386.rpm; dpkg -i qtopia-desktop*deb; |
| 23:28.39 | FrenkYo | kergoth: with the qtopia desktop I can upload filez ? |
| 23:29.12 | FrenkYo | or I must use the telnet service ? |
| 23:29.21 | kergoth | um |
| 23:29.26 | kergoth | you dont upload files through telnet |
| 23:31.18 | FrenkYo | through wath :? |
| 23:35.21 | kergoth | through wath? |
| 23:36.27 | FrenkYo | for example, how can I upload an mp3 :? |
| 23:36.50 | FrenkYo | I've connected the zaurus only with the usb cradle |
| 23:37.07 | kergoth | you can use ftp, scp, qtopia desktop., intellisycn |
| 23:38.57 | FrenkYo | thx |
| 23:39.13 | FrenkYo | I've uploaded my first file on Z :> |
