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| 00:03.25 | kergoth | shit, theres a second sdmmc oops |
| 00:04.58 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:05.00 | kergoth | whew |
| 00:05.05 | kergoth | same crash, different circumstances |
| 00:06.18 | Microdim | does anybody know where the images are for the menu? I want to custimize the square :-) |
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| 00:17.07 | kergoth | grr |
| 00:18.24 | hobbs | I don't know what "the square" is, but there's a limited amount of customization you can do on a geometrical figure. :) |
| 00:18.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:18.48 | kergoth | damnit damnit damnit |
| 00:18.54 | kergoth | come on sdmmc, cooperate |
| 00:21.03 | Microdim | The square is the button you press, similar to the start button on a windows machine |
| 00:21.31 | hobbs | aah. the Q/O button. :) |
| 00:21.46 | Microdim | yes |
| 00:22.03 | Microdim | that is a file is it not? |
| 00:22.14 | kergoth | its probably inlined in the qtopia library |
| 00:22.34 | kergoth | in which case the ansewr to your question is yes, just not in the form you want ;) |
| 00:23.05 | Microdim | what is it code? |
| 00:23.25 | kergoth | its inlined in an array |
| 00:25.25 | Microdim | Oh, ok well is there an app for the z that I can change the icons of the programs in the launcher? |
| 00:25.55 | kergoth | the app icons are determined by their .desktop files |
| 00:25.55 | Microdim | and what excactly is an array?, if it is easy to explain |
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| 00:26.02 | kergoth | edit them in a text editor |
| 00:26.12 | Microdim | Oh ok |
| 00:45.09 | godsmoke | brb |
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| 00:45.53 | endr | anybody use qoverclock? |
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| 01:01.13 | asterick | Gah, the 5600 is out? |
| 01:01.16 | asterick | *grrbl* |
| 01:01.30 | godsmoke | uhh |
| 01:01.34 | godsmoke | I don't think it's out |
| 01:01.34 | treke | is it? |
| 01:02.04 | godsmoke | no, it's no |
| 01:02.04 | asterick | Oh, phew. |
| 01:02.05 | godsmoke | not* |
| 01:02.11 | asterick | I was going to have to stab myself. |
| 01:02.13 | godsmoke | asterick: what are you talking about? |
| 01:02.18 | godsmoke | it's coming out very soon |
| 01:02.30 | asterick | Drat. I just bought my 5500 a few months ago. |
| 01:03.09 | asterick | How much diffrent will the 5600 be? Just a speed boost + rom upgrade? |
| 01:03.12 | godsmoke | asterick: and I just bought mine 1 month ago |
| 01:03.18 | godsmoke | asterick: pretty much |
| 01:03.24 | godsmoke | but it's a major speed boost |
| 01:03.28 | godsmoke | 2 times the speed |
| 01:03.47 | asterick | Ahh. 400mhz +? |
| 01:03.49 | asterick | I would assume they are going xscale. |
| 01:04.04 | godsmoke | yes |
| 01:04.08 | godsmoke | read the specs |
| 01:04.11 | godsmoke | they are online |
| 01:04.25 | asterick | I'd be cool if they added an FPU... but that is probibly not happening. |
| 01:04.36 | godsmoke | http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/1,1058,1016,00.html |
| 01:04.58 | asterick | Ahh, thank you. I was tring to sift through the sharp webpage over dialup. :/ |
| 01:05.07 | godsmoke | np |
| 01:05.22 | asterick | Anyone in here going to LWCE? |
| 01:05.28 | godsmoke | of course |
| 01:05.35 | godsmoke | I live in the city |
| 01:06.01 | godsmoke | you? |
| 01:06.06 | asterick | I'm going to be helping demonstrate at the icculus boot. |
| 01:06.10 | asterick | booth |
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| 01:06.22 | zhen_work | hi all |
| 01:06.24 | treke | icculus++ :) |
| 01:06.28 | asterick | howdy. |
| 01:06.29 | zhen_work | does anyone know if there is an ipaq chan? |
| 01:06.40 | treke | #handhelds.org |
| 01:06.48 | treke | and #familiar |
| 01:07.03 | zhen_work | my friend has a ipaq 5455 and he wants to know if there is a version of opie/linux handheld for it |
| 01:07.11 | treke | zhen_work: not yet |
| 01:07.27 | zhen_work | treke do you know when they will have it? |
| 01:07.32 | zhen_work | or if there is a dev version? |
| 01:07.46 | treke | zhen_work: check in #handhelds.org. I dont think its even confirmed that there will be one |
| 01:07.52 | zhen_work | ah |
| 01:09.02 | zhen_work | thanks |
| 01:10.25 | godsmoke | asterick: booth #9 ... nice, small number |
| 01:10.49 | godsmoke | heh ... nice small booth to go with it :) |
| 01:10.56 | godsmoke | may I ask how much it cost? |
| 01:11.24 | asterick | It's not my booth. |
| 01:11.24 | asterick | It's a friends. I'm just helping him demonstrate. |
| 01:11.32 | godsmoke | oh |
| 01:11.39 | godsmoke | hmm ... maybe I'll stop by |
| 01:11.51 | asterick | It's a DDR booth, so you can see me be a jack ass. |
| 01:11.58 | asterick | Should be entertaining. |
| 01:11.59 | godsmoke | adding it to my briefcase |
| 01:12.02 | godsmoke | heh |
| 01:12.10 | godsmoke | ddr is fun |
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| 01:12.44 | asterick | Than you really should stop by then. |
| 01:14.17 | godsmoke | yeah, but I suck at it |
| 01:14.19 | godsmoke | :) |
| 01:14.40 | asterick | heh. |
| 01:14.42 | asterick | We can give you pointers. |
| 01:14.52 | godsmoke | heh, no thanks |
| 01:15.13 | godsmoke | I'll just come by to say hi |
| 01:15.16 | asterick | Ok. |
| 01:15.19 | godsmoke | maybe watch people make fools of themselves |
| 01:15.37 | asterick | Look for the skinny pierced guy that wears clubbing shirts. |
| 01:15.42 | godsmoke | heh |
| 01:15.48 | godsmoke | wont that be half of linuxworld? |
| 01:15.49 | godsmoke | :) |
| 01:15.59 | godsmoke | I'll be around with the 2600 crew |
| 01:16.10 | godsmoke | well, most of my friends are 2600 people anyway |
| 01:16.40 | asterick | 2600 as in atari, or 2600 as in phone frequency. |
| 01:17.14 | godsmoke | 2600 as in the magazine |
| 01:17.22 | asterick | ahh |
| 01:17.25 | godsmoke | and more specifically, nyc2600, as in the 2600 meeting |
| 01:17.47 | godsmoke | we were gonna get a booth |
| 01:17.51 | godsmoke | nyc2600.org |
| 01:18.01 | godsmoke | that's why I was asking about cost |
| 01:18.55 | asterick | ahh |
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| 01:46.47 | Cloudchaser | hiya neo |
| 01:48.31 | Neo|Work | hey there |
| 01:49.28 | Cloudchaser | how's things with you? |
| 01:49.45 | Neo|Work | pretty good |
| 01:50.00 | Neo|Work | about to get the papers in for a new port (that I can't announce yet). :) |
| 01:50.07 | Neo|Work | getting out of Mandrake hell and into Debian.. |
| 01:50.14 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 01:50.28 | Cloudchaser | so nothing new released in the last couple months? |
| 01:51.54 | godsmoke | released? |
| 01:52.44 | Neo|Work | MSR was the last one |
| 01:52.57 | Neo|Work | that wasn't THAT long ago though. :P |
| 01:53.12 | Neo|Work | i.e December 17th |
| 02:00.09 | ljp | blah |
| 02:04.20 | ljp | I am going to write a zaurus app called 'Blah' that does absolutely nothing |
| 02:04.50 | ljp | maybe shows an image of a lump on a log |
| 02:06.21 | ljp | that segfaults on exit |
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| 02:07.22 | ljp | call it opie-blah |
| 02:07.36 | ljp | that'd be the free opensource version |
| 02:09.36 | treke|home | ljp: kryme already wrote that |
| 02:09.42 | treke|home | its on ZSI search for Kryme program |
| 02:10.55 | ljp | crasp |
| 02:11.11 | ljp | back to the drawing board |
| 02:14.38 | Neo|Work | may I ask WHY? |
| 02:16.41 | ljp | cause thats the way I feel.. blah |
| 02:18.05 | ljp | gross. my cat is licking my sock |
| 02:18.42 | treke|home | could be worse |
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| 03:15.39 | TrekCycling | anyone around? I'm curious if anyone knows if Dynamism is shipping yet |
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| 03:41.49 | sjborch | ibot is my friend |
| 03:41.50 | | sjborch: i haven't a clue |
| 03:42.07 | sjborch | ibot seen bigboss |
| 03:42.11 | | bigboss <~shawn@ip68-4-243-218.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 4d 9h 22m 16s ago, saying: 'yea, me too'. |
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| 03:59.56 | kergoth | hey |
| 04:02.25 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 05:43.55 | Microdim | ok what is the deal I made a wall paper, and it does not show up when I tell launcher to use it is it because it is on an sd card, because it is 240X340 and it is a png and a jpg but nothing shows up, am I missing something? |
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| 10:46.36 | HeatxSink | hello anyone up at this hour/ |
| 10:46.37 | HeatxSink | ? |
| 10:56.10 | HeatxSink | ?? |
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| 11:04.55 | troffasky | I'm awake |
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| 11:19.55 | HeatxSink | hi troffasky |
| 11:19.57 | HeatxSink | how are ya? |
| 11:22.17 | HeatxSink | ?? |
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| 11:24.49 | troffasky | I'm fine |
| 11:28.18 | Piete | hey guys |
| 11:34.01 | troffasky | hey Piete |
| 11:34.35 | SillyZ | mornin |
| 11:35.14 | Piete | hmm, what codec looks good, and is playable on the zaurus mplayer? divx4 look slike crap |
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| 12:03.21 | NoRemorse | heya |
| 12:04.28 | smee|W | Piete: I use divx5 |
| 12:04.29 | NoRemorse | is there any chance that my batt aplet is fubar or is my batt really going down that quick? |
| 12:05.04 | NoRemorse | used to be fine now lasts less than 30 mins |
| 12:06.15 | NoRemorse | OZ doesnt use more power than sharp rom does it?! |
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| 12:11.37 | Piete | smee|thanks |
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| 13:19.49 | Piete | hey numa |
| 13:19.53 | Piete | +trix |
| 13:20.29 | numatrix | :-) Morning, Piete. How goes it? |
| 13:21.27 | Piete | fine, thanks :) you? |
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| 13:54.53 | icefox | morning |
| 14:08.51 | kolla | anyone from poland here? |
| 14:10.52 | troffasky | here's a good google for small zaurus screen: http://google.com/ie |
| 14:11.23 | troffasky | there's http://google.com/imode as well, but it's...different |
| 14:11.23 | icefox | Lars Wirzenius would rather use a time machine to fix this in the 1970s, since it's too late now. |
| 14:11.24 | kolla | cool |
| 14:11.24 | icefox | haha |
| 14:11.28 | icefox | talking about etc |
| 14:11.39 | kolla | about etc? |
| 14:11.49 | kolla | as in /etc? |
| 14:12.01 | troffasky | if you're really pushed, there's http://google.com/palm |
| 14:12.14 | icefox | yah haveing a etc in everyone's home |
| 14:12.25 | kolla | ? |
| 14:12.34 | kolla | what is "an etc"? |
| 14:12.43 | Piete | troffasky: hey, thanks for the */ie link! |
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| 14:14.31 | Piete | hey chouimat |
| 14:14.40 | chouimat | hi Piete |
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| 14:33.37 | formi | hi guys, i've beeb given a 5500 to update the os on it, can somebody explain me if I should go for open or the official os? |
| 14:34.57 | formi | from a point of view of a wireless heavy user, it is going to be used for wireless security audits |
| 14:37.19 | troffasky | I'd go with OpenZ any day, unless there's something you're depending on in the Sharp ROM |
| 14:39.39 | formi | troffasky: what about easiness of use? the owner is not very *nix aware |
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| 14:44.47 | troffasky | formi: well, what non-*nix OS can you run on a Zaurus? |
| 14:46.27 | icefox | linux |
| 14:46.28 | icefox | haha |
| 14:46.29 | icefox | sorry |
| 14:47.02 | formi | troffasky: I'll refrase my question, is it as easy to use open as the original os? |
| 14:48.01 | formi | the owner was a ipaq ppc user |
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| 14:53.40 | icefox | Spending the time to have a linux router forward mail to an exchange server running 2K, news goes to a win98 box, apache on the router and ping emulate OS/2. Seeing the confused face of your hacker - priceless |
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| 14:54.08 | icefox | hey BigBoss |
| 14:54.11 | icefox | How goes it |
| 14:54.12 | BigBoss | yo |
| 14:54.17 | BigBoss | just chillin |
| 14:54.29 | icefox | Same here, testing apps on the 5600 |
| 14:54.39 | chouimat | icefox: hehe. or cracking alldata is fun. they didn't change the data format since version 3 and they're at 6.75 :} |
| 14:54.51 | icefox | alldata? |
| 14:54.54 | BigBoss | i've heard that Oz is going to break BC and go with Qt3.1 and gcc 3.2? |
| 14:55.02 | BigBoss | chouimat: I'm sending those CD's to you today |
| 14:55.03 | chouimat | icefox: windows software for mechanics |
| 14:55.08 | icefox | they do have ROM's and a feed that does that |
| 14:55.17 | icefox | they generate multiple ROM's feeds |
| 14:55.17 | chouimat | BigBoss: ok. anything new? |
| 14:55.21 | icefox | ah |
| 14:55.26 | troffasky | formi: it's almost identical, afaict |
| 14:55.36 | chouimat | icefox: btw when today the source would be released? |
| 14:55.44 | icefox | BigBoss you should try it out. Much faster. |
| 14:55.46 | formi | troffasky: thanks |
| 14:55.51 | icefox | for 2.4.18? |
| 14:55.56 | chouimat | icefox: yup |
| 14:56.10 | icefox | I didn't know it was *today* just that it was coming |
| 14:56.12 | BigBoss | chouimat: nothing of note. We've been busy translating apps to japanese and testing on the c700 |
| 14:56.19 | icefox | How is the C700 :-D |
| 14:56.32 | icefox | getting good *performance* :D |
| 14:57.00 | chouimat | BigBoss: I'm currently designing a ebook reader that read'em all (well most of them) |
| 14:57.22 | icefox | better to be able to read 1 really well then all of themm |
| 14:57.54 | chouimat | icefox: I have support for OEB and for LIT done |
| 14:58.08 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 14:58.18 | BigBoss | chouimat: we looked at doing that 13 months ago, but gave it up |
| 14:58.29 | chouimat | BigBoss: .lit ? |
| 14:58.38 | BigBoss | icefox: no, the C700 pretty much performs like the 5000 |
| 14:59.02 | BigBoss | chouimat: .lit, franklin, redrocket (something like that)- there were 4 or 5 formats |
| 14:59.14 | chouimat | icefox: it will be plugin based so ... |
| 14:59.22 | BigBoss | the 5600 on the other had is very cool |
| 14:59.35 | chouimat | BigBoss: lit is a binary packaging of OEBPS |
| 15:00.31 | Cloudchaser | whats cool about the 5600 that isn't there with the c700? |
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| 15:00.55 | BigBoss | built in mic, speaker, longer battery and faster |
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| 15:03.14 | Cloudchaser | ah and the c700 doesn't have all that? |
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| 15:04.50 | BigBoss | nope |
| 15:06.28 | Cloudchaser | ben posted a link yesterday to a handheld with built-in gps |
| 15:06.38 | Cloudchaser | it was a palm 5 os though |
| 15:06.53 | Piete | the Garmin Ique |
| 15:06.54 | Cloudchaser | but still very tempting looking |
| 15:06.56 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 15:06.58 | Piete | it looks sweet :) |
| 15:07.02 | Cloudchaser | sure does |
| 15:07.13 | Piete | just a little expensive, and not rugged enough |
| 15:07.27 | chouimat | wooohooo I can put my palm on my income tax report |
| 15:07.47 | Piete | if I want a GPS, I'll probably get one of the standalone versions, you can hook it up to a PDA anyway :) |
| 15:07.48 | Cloudchaser | not so expensive really |
| 15:08.03 | Cloudchaser | Piete: can you hook it up to the z and get good maps for it? |
| 15:08.05 | Piete | Cloudchaser for me it is (no USD over here :/) |
| 15:08.15 | Cloudchaser | ah very true |
| 15:08.18 | BigBoss | the GPS is expensive, just to get the CF card with it costs over $100 |
| 15:08.30 | Cloudchaser | and the maps/software |
| 15:08.44 | Cloudchaser | the only things i've seen on zsi aren't all that impressive looking |
| 15:08.45 | Piete | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=351 |
| 15:08.50 | Piete | Cloudchaser ^^ |
| 15:09.30 | Cloudchaser | i rest my case Piete |
| 15:09.58 | Piete | Cloudchaser there are good commercial software for Palms too; I hooked up my old Etrex to my IIIc, and I had 2 screens, and good maps :) |
| 15:11.35 | Piete | http://www.gpspilot.com/Products.htm <-- these are pretty decent |
| 15:11.46 | troffasky | you looked at http://qpegps.sourceforge.net ? |
| 15:12.54 | TheMasterMind1 | the big problem is that all the map data is commercial |
| 15:13.12 | TheMasterMind1 | so even if you write a good OSS gps app, you don't have any data for it |
| 15:13.12 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: yes, and even so there are never maps where I am :/ |
| 15:13.19 | Cloudchaser | i don't mind buying them |
| 15:13.22 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: South Africa, South Korea |
| 15:13.26 | Cloudchaser | they won't port them though.. the software |
| 15:14.17 | Cloudchaser | they support ppc and palm.. |
| 15:14.27 | Cloudchaser | but not linux that i can find |
| 15:15.09 | Cloudchaser | i wonder if sharp is working on some sort of partnerships with places like.. mapopolis |
| 15:15.37 | BigBoss | we're working on a gps system |
| 15:15.46 | BigBoss | been looking at lots of interesting mapping options |
| 15:16.05 | Piete | Cloudchaser this is some decent palm software too (sorry for the horrible url) : http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/company/cmpProducts.jsp?oid=-1073751451&BV_SessionID=@@@@1771232031.1042557130@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccceadchfigfhiicgencfhjdfiidfin.0&cmty=0 |
| 15:16.49 | Cloudchaser | i think my son has that for his palm |
| 15:17.05 | TheMasterMind1 | even if you find a source for map data, you've got a size issue. that kind of data is usually quite big |
| 15:17.06 | Cloudchaser | the best i've personally seen was the mapopolis stuff |
| 15:17.22 | Cloudchaser | TheMasterMind1: well if an ipaq can handle it |
| 15:17.27 | Cloudchaser | a z should be able to |
| 15:17.59 | Cloudchaser | the mapopolis stuff works with gps and also on its own, so you can do route planning even without connection or gps |
| 15:18.27 | Piete | This is my next GPS: http://www.magellangps.com/en/products/product.asp?PRODID=98 |
| 15:18.36 | Cloudchaser | its a vicious circle.. people want their apps and if the z doesn't have it they'll stick with palm or ppc |
| 15:18.48 | Cloudchaser | the 3rd party companies won't do the apps because of the small market |
| 15:19.09 | BigBoss | ah come on, we take lots of risks with the Z market :) |
| 15:19.11 | Cloudchaser | sharp's a big enough company that i would think they would work on some of these issues |
| 15:19.11 | kolla | bluetooth GPS and stright forward working PDA is nice |
| 15:19.18 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: yes you do |
| 15:19.23 | Cloudchaser | but not all companies will |
| 15:19.24 | Piete | I wanted to get a meridian, because it uses MMC cards for maps, but then I realised I never use maps anyway :) |
| 15:19.39 | Cloudchaser | i emailed to mapopolis and to mobireader |
| 15:20.31 | Piete | I wish some people would at *least* make stripped down JAVA versions of their apps; they would run on all java compatible pdas |
| 15:20.39 | Piete | s/people/companies |
| 15:21.03 | kolla | it doesnt really help "the Z market" that Sharp is only shipping the zaurus in a handfull ofcountries |
| 15:21.21 | Cloudchaser | or that its now pushing "enterprise" |
| 15:21.28 | Piete | kolla: yea |
| 15:21.28 | Cloudchaser | rather than consumer |
| 15:21.40 | BigBoss | sharp is trying to feel their way of the best market |
| 15:21.46 | chouimat | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggggggggggg |
| 15:21.50 | Piete | but its still one daymn sexy little computer |
| 15:21.58 | Cloudchaser | Piete: yes it is |
| 15:22.01 | kolla | they would sell heaploads here in norway |
| 15:22.02 | TheMasterMind1 | have you seen the dell axim? |
| 15:22.03 | Cloudchaser | and i want to see it grow and flourish |
| 15:22.07 | TheMasterMind1 | looks sweet |
| 15:22.10 | TheMasterMind1 | and its cheap too |
| 15:22.11 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: it does |
| 15:22.24 | kolla | but as it is, we have to order from england (unless we fancy german qwertz keyboard) |
| 15:22.25 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: cpu? |
| 15:22.30 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: xscale |
| 15:22.41 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: price? |
| 15:22.58 | Piete | chouimat: http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/topics/segtopic_axim.htm |
| 15:23.24 | numatrix | chouimat: 200$ after rebate for the cheaper one, 300$ for the better one. |
| 15:23.38 | kolla | sadly for sharp, I doubt my next PDA will be a zaurus. hehe |
| 15:23.52 | Cloudchaser | kolla: same here |
| 15:24.01 | numatrix | chouimat: The cheaper one is 32/32 memory with 300mhz xscale, and SD and CF, and the more expensive one has more memory 43/? (I forget) and a 400. I'm too lazy to click the link again, I was looking at it last night. ;-) |
| 15:24.02 | Cloudchaser | although i love it |
| 15:24.03 | icefox | kolla: will it run linux |
| 15:24.09 | TheMasterMind1 | icefox: not yet |
| 15:24.12 | Cloudchaser | it doesn't do all that i want |
| 15:24.13 | kolla | icefox: hopefully not :) |
| 15:24.20 | chouimat | hmmm that 310 and 460 here |
| 15:24.34 | kolla | icefox: well, actually I do not care wether it will or not |
| 15:24.34 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: there's a rebate |
| 15:24.38 | icefox | <spoken in sad depriate voice> |
| 15:24.50 | Cloudchaser | icefox: i'm sad about it too |
| 15:24.57 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: check the exchange rate between CAD and USD :) |
| 15:25.03 | kolla | icefox: I have different needs than those linux offers |
| 15:25.04 | Cloudchaser | i love the zaurus |
| 15:25.08 | numatrix | ibot can do it, I think. (conversion) |
| 15:25.09 | | numatrix: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:25.20 | numatrix | ibot: You! |
| 15:25.21 | | from memory, you is cool |
| 15:25.24 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot convert 300 CAD to USD |
| 15:25.26 | Cloudchaser | and if i could do something about it i would.. |
| 15:25.50 | chouimat | hmmm where I put those goddamn receipt!!!! I can pass that 320 bucks as tax exception .... |
| 15:25.51 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot convert 300 CD to USD |
| 15:25.58 | Piete | I love the zaurus; but I still havent sold my IIIc as I planned to do when my Z arrived |
| 15:26.01 | chouimat | ibot change 300 cad to usd |
| 15:26.35 | Piete | the zaurus just *doesnt compete* with cheapo palms in terms of productivity, and usability |
| 15:26.35 | Cloudchaser | if you have some suggestions...of what users can do to make their voices heard, i'd be happy to keep trying icefox |
| 15:26.39 | chouimat | arrrrrrggggggg |
| 15:26.42 | kolla | my main problem when it comes to PDAs is that I dont really like any of the current options :) |
| 15:26.53 | Piete | and yes, even speed (tap calender), it takes a few seconds to open |
| 15:27.01 | kolla | perhaps the newer palms are the best |
| 15:27.07 | chouimat | my main problems is criptic taxes forms |
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| 15:27.16 | warmi | hi |
| 15:27.34 | Piete | hey warmi |
| 15:27.36 | chouimat | hi warmi |
| 15:27.56 | Piete | warmi: just in time for a discussion about PDAs :) |
| 15:28.20 | warmi | heh ... I got to get my morning coffee first .. |
| 15:28.38 | Piete | kolla: agreed, *if* the C700 actualy had a good battery life, and more RAM, I would have bought one the moment it was released |
| 15:28.46 | Piete | its sweet |
| 15:28.56 | icefox | more ram? |
| 15:29.05 | icefox | I don't know if I would want that |
| 15:29.09 | Piete | icefox: come on, 32 isnt nearly enough |
| 15:29.16 | icefox | one thing is that because you use flash all 32mb is for ram |
| 15:29.23 | kolla | Piete: running linux on it gives me the creeps :) |
| 15:29.24 | icefox | unlike the 5000/5500 |
| 15:30.00 | Piete | icefox: I know, but on mine I use all 64MB as ram, and SD as main storage |
| 15:30.03 | kolla | Piete: personally I would love to beef up my old newton with 64MB ram and perhaps a faster CPU :) |
| 15:30.18 | Piete | icefox: with 32 apps kept crashing, and the whole experience was slower |
| 15:30.21 | icefox | another reason why I am against larger ram (but bigger flash is ok) is that is keeps developers on their toses. Makes them spend the little bit of extra time to reduce the memory requirement of their application |
| 15:30.24 | Piete | kolla: amen |
| 15:30.30 | icefox | Piete: on the C700? |
| 15:30.42 | Piete | icefox: on the 5500 |
| 15:30.54 | icefox | well the applications shouldn't have crashed |
| 15:31.13 | Piete | icefox: they ran out of memory |
| 15:31.15 | Cloudchaser | icefox: what can we as users do to help? |
| 15:31.26 | *** join/#zaurus cor (~csyvenky@209.115.237.120) |
| 15:31.29 | icefox | report errors to the developers |
| 15:31.33 | Piete | icefox: but I'm pleased now :) |
| 15:31.38 | icefox | :-D |
| 15:31.39 | Cloudchaser | thats not what i mean |
| 15:31.40 | Piete | icefox: so thats ancient history |
| 15:31.41 | BigBoss | hey cor - you have a copy of tkcPlayer? |
| 15:31.44 | Cloudchaser | i mean with sharp |
| 15:31.54 | Piete | BigBoss: I have |
| 15:31.55 | Cloudchaser | i mean to get more apps for the zaurus |
| 15:32.00 | Cloudchaser | commerical type |
| 15:32.02 | cor | BigBoss: yes |
| 15:32.17 | BigBoss | cor: I saw you say it skips playing music. No one has ever reported this |
| 15:32.22 | Cloudchaser | i never have skipping noises with player |
| 15:32.28 | Cloudchaser | use it all the time |
| 15:32.50 | cor | BigBoss: yes it does, badly (well any skips are bad if you ask me), at first i thought it was just the file |
| 15:32.53 | Cloudchaser | only time i have noises is if my headset isn't plugged in all the way |
| 15:33.02 | cor | BigBoss: playing them off SM |
| 15:33.10 | Cloudchaser | sm? |
| 15:33.15 | cor | oops |
| 15:33.32 | cor | i meant SD |
| 15:33.36 | Cloudchaser | SD is too slow |
| 15:33.38 | Cloudchaser | try from CF |
| 15:33.39 | chouimat | BigBoss: I got the forthcoming Apocalyptica album from the net, somes sound seem to be incomplete |
| 15:33.40 | cor | (brain freeze, not enough coffee) |
| 15:34.04 | BigBoss | cor: you should tell people that when you tell them our software doesn't work |
| 15:34.18 | BigBoss | but I've also never heard of a problem playing from SD either, perhaps it's a large SD |
| 15:34.22 | Piete | Cloudchaser I play music and videos from SD routinely, and it never skips ?:/ |
| 15:34.27 | BigBoss | the problems with SD are not ours |
| 15:34.30 | cor | Cloudchaser: hmm, that's worth a try, i'll try running from ram, see if that makes a difference |
| 15:34.31 | BigBoss | SD is slow |
| 15:34.47 | BigBoss | chouimat: in tkcPlayer? |
| 15:34.53 | cor | it's a 128mb sd card |
| 15:34.58 | Cloudchaser | cor: what do you mean by "skip" |
| 15:35.07 | Cloudchaser | like there was a scratch on the cd? |
| 15:35.14 | Cloudchaser | that kind of a skip? |
| 15:35.24 | BigBoss | cor: it's fairly un-cool to tell people the app doesn't work when you've not made any attempt to understand what is going on |
| 15:35.27 | cor | yup, music, then silence, then music again |
| 15:35.38 | Cloudchaser | cor: what rom? |
| 15:35.57 | cor | Cloudchaser: sharp, i'd have to check the version, hang on |
| 15:35.58 | chouimat | BigBoss:nope from kazaa |
| 15:36.15 | cor | BigBoss: geez, sorry...what should have i done? |
| 15:36.42 | BigBoss | cor: did you know that the SD card is extremely slow? |
| 15:36.51 | BigBoss | sharp only enabled 1 of the 4 data paths |
| 15:36.53 | cor | Cloudchaser: rom 2.38 |
| 15:37.02 | BigBoss | so data can only move off of it at a certain rate |
| 15:37.03 | Piete | cor: does it work on your the main computer? you know some files from p2p nets arent exactly reliable |
| 15:37.16 | cor | BigBoss: afraid not...just a regular end user :) |
| 15:37.18 | Piete | BigBoss: wha? ouch |
| 15:37.19 | chouimat | I only use my SD card for exchange ebooks between my z and my m125 |
| 15:37.32 | BigBoss | I've never had anyone report a problem reading from SD cards, but I've heard about lots of problems with SD cards from various manufacturers like SanDisk |
| 15:37.47 | cor | Piete: yes i ripped them myself, i know the files are good quality |
| 15:37.57 | BigBoss | and if you are tkc customer and are having trouble, then you should talk to us to get support |
| 15:38.09 | chouimat | BigBoss: even palm has problem with sandisk sd card >=128MB |
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| 15:38.19 | BigBoss | chouimat: that doesn't surprise me |
| 15:38.54 | cor | BigBoss: well i'll be sure to do so in the future, it is SanDisk btw...i've had dealings with tkc tech support in the past re: kapital (it wasn't pleasant) |
| 15:38.56 | chouimat | BigBoss: it's seem that the controller in the card is buggy. my 32MB sandisk sd is ok |
| 15:39.57 | BigBoss | cor: I'm the president of tkc - what's the problem? |
| 15:40.28 | warmi | hahaha |
| 15:40.53 | cor | BigBoss: prolly not the appropriate ave for complaints |
| 15:41.51 | warmi | so is this official that Sharp is planning to come out with C700 for US market ? |
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| 15:44.08 | icefox | no |
| 15:44.17 | icefox | it is not |
| 15:44.22 | icefox | has no plans |
| 15:44.28 | icefox | etc |
| 15:44.40 | icefox | the c700 battery life just isn't good enough |
| 15:44.48 | icefox | until that is fixed there is no plans |
| 15:45.23 | TheMasterMind1 | the dell axim has a very nice battery |
| 15:45.46 | warmi | "fixed" ? how about just replace the battery with a more capable one :-) |
| 15:46.01 | warmi | j/k |
| 15:46.19 | icefox | at a certian level it will be a small laptop |
| 15:46.25 | Piete | icefox: hey why not just strap on a 'bio plug'? After all, "The human body generates more bio electricity then a 120 volt battery, and over 20000 BTUs of body heat' :P |
| 15:46.27 | icefox | and people thought the 5500 was a big pda! |
| 15:46.34 | icefox | haha |
| 15:47.03 | Piete | heh, I actualy thought the 5500 was sleek compared to my IIIc |
| 15:47.05 | warmi | 5500 is not a big pda |
| 15:47.24 | warmi | it just seems that way becuse it resembles a little brick ( especially compared to things like ipaqs etc ) |
| 15:47.50 | TheMasterMind1 | the ipaq is ugly imho |
| 15:47.51 | icefox | well in fairness when compared to pocketpc devices it was on par, but compared to palms... |
| 15:48.21 | warmi | TheMasterMind1: no, I think it looks better :-) |
| 15:48.42 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't think so |
| 15:49.18 | Piete | icefox: yea, the palm IIIc may 'smaller' and 'lighter', but it looks bigger because its wider, and black |
| 15:49.21 | Cloudchaser | hehe one reason i never got a palm was cause i can't read the screen |
| 15:49.33 | Piete | Cloudchaser you get used to it ;) |
| 15:49.33 | Cloudchaser | too small..too dark |
| 15:49.45 | Piete | Cloudchaser too dark? |
| 15:49.50 | Piete | Cloudchaser what model? |
| 15:50.02 | icefox | Piete: I guess you have never played with a SonyPalm |
| 15:50.17 | Piete | icefox: I have, they are purdy :) |
| 15:50.26 | Piete | but they are *still* palms |
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| 15:51.03 | Piete | hey ciaolinux |
| 15:51.08 | ciaolinux | hi Piete |
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| 15:51.48 | Piete | heya ljp |
| 15:52.28 | Piete | icefox: I especialy like the PEG-NZ90 |
| 15:52.29 | ljp_work | hi |
| 15:53.40 | Piete | icefox: what mAh is the battery currently in the C-700 |
| 15:54.22 | icefox | hmm not sure, don't have it on my desk right now |
| 15:54.28 | icefox | http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml |
| 15:55.19 | warmi | icefox: you lucky bastard |
| 15:55.26 | warmi | "don't have it on my desk" |
| 15:56.04 | Piete | lol |
| 15:56.32 | Piete | the samba-syncing sounds like a remotely good idea :) |
| 15:56.39 | icefox | eh, I have like 6 z's but I don't actually "use" any of them (i.e. bring them with me everywhere) |
| 15:56.46 | Cloudchaser | Piete: well one is my son's m125 thats too dark |
| 15:56.57 | Cloudchaser | icefox: do you bring one of them with you everywhere? |
| 15:57.01 | icefox | no |
| 15:57.09 | Cloudchaser | what do you bring with you? |
| 15:57.25 | icefox | I hit reset so often on them, reflash ect that it isn't really worth it |
| 15:57.48 | Piete | Cloudchaser thats a known problem with the M125s; its Palm's Problem Child |
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| 15:58.04 | icefox | Actually nothing. I used to carry around a gold wind up pocket watch, but I don't want to damage it so now I keep it at hoem |
| 15:58.13 | icefox | wedding present from my wife |
| 15:58.20 | Cloudchaser | is there anyone at sharp who actually uses theirs as a consumer would? |
| 15:58.31 | icefox | yah everyone, but me and jason |
| 15:58.32 | icefox | hehe |
| 15:58.38 | icefox | we have seen the light! |
| 15:58.43 | Cloudchaser | great |
| 15:58.48 | icefox | I mean um.... we have to update the ROMS to often |
| 15:59.04 | icefox | try differnt Oz's, test software, try to break it etc |
| 15:59.15 | Piete | icefox: ok, I guess you use a Franklin Planner too, right? |
| 15:59.32 | icefox | actually I did have one of them for a while, but I ditched it for a palm |
| 15:59.41 | icefox | I own several palms |
| 15:59.43 | icefox | excellent pim |
| 15:59.52 | Piete | yes |
| 16:00.11 | Piete | why can't its functunality just be learned from? |
| 16:00.37 | TheMasterMind1 | Piete: feel free to start patching opie's pim apps |
| 16:00.43 | Piete | seriously, the included PIMs on the zaurus are like a afterthough |
| 16:01.02 | Cloudchaser | exactly |
| 16:01.06 | Cloudchaser | thats why i use tkc's |
| 16:01.22 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: I like the Opie PIMs more :) I'm talking about what your 'average consumer' would use |
| 16:01.27 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: ie, not OZ |
| 16:01.34 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 16:02.02 | icefox | and being able to carry a palm *everywhere* and have to think about the battery about as often as I thoguht about my watch battery was a real reason |
| 16:02.11 | icefox | I would use the palm maybe 3 times a week for little things |
| 16:03.07 | Piete | ... |
| 16:03.33 | TheMasterMind1 | the zaurus really is more of a computer than a pda |
| 16:03.39 | icefox | exactly |
| 16:03.49 | icefox | thus sharp's version of what pda stands for |
| 16:04.05 | icefox | Personal Mobile tool |
| 16:04.27 | Cloudchaser | yes but the mobility depends on being able to synch docs easily and quickly |
| 16:04.34 | Cloudchaser | something that no one seems to get |
| 16:04.38 | icefox | and without erros |
| 16:04.48 | Cloudchaser | that too :) |
| 16:04.58 | Cloudchaser | not just pim info |
| 16:05.01 | Cloudchaser | documents |
| 16:05.01 | icefox | well in all honesty Sharp did retool that entirly and it is a heck of a lot better now |
| 16:05.08 | Cloudchaser | better where? |
| 16:05.10 | icefox | but the blinking text..... |
| 16:05.15 | icefox | windows syncing |
| 16:05.20 | Cloudchaser | i don't use windows |
| 16:05.45 | Cloudchaser | why can't we have a way to sych folders of documents? |
| 16:05.51 | TheMasterMind1 | icefox: howso? |
| 16:06.05 | Cloudchaser | that synch automatically when we put the z in cradle and conenct via network or usb |
| 16:06.17 | icefox | remember all of the sync issues when the z first came out? |
| 16:06.20 | Piete | I don't sync my zaurus anymore :/ It was a real disapointment for me. I wanted to sell my IIIc as soon as a got the zaurus "because the zaurus is gonna replace it", but I've kept it around, since it just IS the best pda, AND it syncs |
| 16:06.57 | Cloudchaser | icefox: vaguely but its never done what i need it to so i don't use it much |
| 16:07.19 | icefox | it was really bad in the begining but they fixed a lot of the problems |
| 16:07.27 | Cloudchaser | yes but then it all stopped |
| 16:07.34 | icefox | define it |
| 16:07.39 | icefox | define "it" |
| 16:07.47 | Cloudchaser | and the improvements on the newer machines has not made it to the existing ones |
| 16:08.08 | icefox | well I am pushing to get the 5600 rom released for the 5500 |
| 16:08.16 | icefox | even at a developer only release |
| 16:08.23 | Cloudchaser | why dev only? |
| 16:08.26 | Piete | icefox: yea, great, now it syncs. I don't want to think that I'm going to sync now; I want to drop it in, press the button, and viola; instead 1. drop it in , 2. launch qtdesk, 3. press sync, *burp*, remove, 1. drop it in |
| 16:08.32 | icefox | Cloudchaser: support issues |
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| 16:09.20 | Piete | hey levi |
| 16:09.21 | Cloudchaser | so sharp doesn't want to support it? |
| 16:09.31 | levi | Heya |
| 16:09.47 | icefox | Cloudchaser: it isn't that they don't want to, it is that they don't have the resources to |
| 16:10.21 | TheMasterMind1 | i think sharp should support oz more and help the oz devels by providing more docs and sources |
| 16:10.38 | icefox | Looking back at the last year how would everyone here say development on the Z has been? How has Sharps involment been? |
| 16:10.54 | icefox | TheMasterMind1: You mean all of my contributions don't mean anything? |
| 16:10.58 | icefox | :) |
| 16:11.02 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
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| 16:11.09 | mark_ | warmi: ping |
| 16:11.15 | TheMasterMind1 | but you're doing that, not sharp. sharp as a company doesn't really support us |
| 16:11.16 | icefox | Honestly I think that my networksettings app is pretty kick ass |
| 16:11.24 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 16:11.31 | TheMasterMind1 | icefox: yea, other than all em bugs ;0) |
| 16:11.50 | ljp_work | umm, isnt Sharp a very large company, so it's really a matter of that they dont want to allocate the resources to supporting the Zaurus? |
| 16:11.51 | TheMasterMind1 | which reminds me, is someone working on the ppp module? |
| 16:11.54 | Cloudchaser | ben, for the most part...i'm happy with my zaurus there's just a few things its lacking |
| 16:11.55 | icefox | Yah officially they don't, but they unofficially do. I am allowed to work on Opie stuff during work hours. We gave some units to opie developers |
| 16:12.03 | warmi | mark: what's up ? |
| 16:12.17 | icefox | TheMasterMind1: in theory I amm |
| 16:12.21 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:12.35 | Cloudchaser | but what about new features for current sharp rom users? |
| 16:13.07 | Cloudchaser | i think sharps support of oz is great |
| 16:13.07 | TheMasterMind1 | they're obviously not interested in that |
| 16:13.11 | TheMasterMind1 | at most they'll do bug fixes |
| 16:13.25 | mark_ | warmi: yeah the black screen on exit for repton was caused by doing QDirectPainter::end() which i'd found before, the code just must have crept back in. And i'm confused re installing to CF - instalilng to SD is working fine - is there naything really different between these two? |
| 16:13.25 | Cloudchaser | but..i USE my zaurus, and oz just doesn't cut it quite yet |
| 16:13.37 | ljp_work | true |
| 16:13.58 | mark_ | BigBoss: you around? |
| 16:14.00 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't see how oz doesn't cut it but the sharp rom does |
| 16:14.00 | ljp_work | oz is in constant beta |
| 16:14.01 | warmi | so , one is not supposed to use QDirectPainter::end() ? |
| 16:14.15 | Cloudchaser | TheMasterMind1: sharp works with all my apps |
| 16:14.21 | Cloudchaser | doesn't crash on me |
| 16:14.24 | Cloudchaser | doesn't hose my data |
| 16:14.26 | mark_ | warmi: seemingly not |
| 16:14.31 | cor | BigBoss: can you briefly explain why the tkc todo app doesn't sync? will this ever change in the future? |
| 16:14.40 | BigBoss | sync to what? |
| 16:14.43 | BigBoss | it syncs to outlook |
| 16:14.46 | warmi | mark: nothing different between CF/SD - I will try again , perhaps there was something wrong with my CF setup .. |
| 16:14.50 | BigBoss | mark: what's up? |
| 16:15.08 | Cloudchaser | yes oz has more features...but i can't depend on it |
| 16:15.55 | warmi | well, QDirectPainter begin() end() serves as a mutex so you don't really need it as long as you can control all the output ( drawing) that goes on for that window |
| 16:16.04 | cor | BigBoss: um, i meant to the desktop system that comes with Z |
| 16:16.21 | ljp_work | Cloudchaser: opie has some new stuff for maintaining compatibility to zaurus apps |
| 16:16.44 | mark_ | BigBoss: just re your post on tkc-list about running commercial apps on GPL Qtopia. According to TT, you need a license to do this, I spoke to them about this |
| 16:16.59 | BigBoss | cor: I'm not sure if it will ever sync to qtopia desktop, it can't sync to the 1.5 one because there is no facility to work with unknown data structures |
| 16:17.20 | BigBoss | I understand that 1.6 has a plug in feature, and we'll look at it once it's out of beta |
| 16:17.46 | BigBoss | mark_: I spoke to them as well, and honestly they don't understand the full implications of their licensing, and they'll admit it (at least to some people) |
| 16:17.54 | Cloudchaser | ljp: yes i know this..but what about the sd card unmounting issue? |
| 16:17.58 | mark_ | BigBoss: hehe :) |
| 16:18.03 | cor | ok, thx...but calendar and address book sync with qtopia correct? |
| 16:18.10 | mark_ | warmi: even if i call QDirectPainter::end once only and then not again, the app still leaves a black screen, its odd |
| 16:18.12 | ljp_work | ya, if qtopiadesktop finds unknown entries, it tends to squash them |
| 16:18.31 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: thats been fixed. if the sd is in use by opie, you can't unmount it |
| 16:18.53 | BigBoss | cor: yes for the moment, but that is because it uses the same data structures, this wasn't possible with ToDo because the data structures for the default version are not particularly robust |
| 16:18.53 | warmi | mark: then don't call it at all |
| 16:19.04 | mark_ | warmi: i'm not, its just odd that it has that effect :) |
| 16:19.16 | TheMasterMind1 | there's not much you can do abot that. linux doesn't unmount if a medium is in use. cardmon now tells you its busy instead of killing opie and letting you umount it |
| 16:19.25 | warmi | yours is fullscreen game which means the only use for QDirectPainter for you is to get the pointer to the screen memory |
| 16:19.26 | warmi | heh |
| 16:19.27 | BigBoss | we are also migrating the calendar and addressbook to a new engine so that we can offer more flexibility in the apps |
| 16:19.37 | BigBoss | and avoid this changing PIM engine problem that has cropped up with the new zaurus |
| 16:19.38 | warmi | mark: yeah , I know - but Qtopia is odd in the first place |
| 16:20.44 | ljp_work | heh, I keep getting pif attachemnts from big@boss.com... :) |
| 16:20.45 | cor | BigBoss: they how will you recommend consumers back up their Z data? will tkc provide a desktop backup system? |
| 16:21.08 | icefox | I want the union fs |
| 16:21.11 | icefox | then I can just do a dd |
| 16:21.15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:21.20 | TheMasterMind1 | unionfs is a whiles off |
| 16:21.24 | TheMasterMind1 | its not even going to be in 2.6 |
| 16:21.33 | mark_ | has the GPL even been tested in court yet? |
| 16:21.33 | icefox | oh? |
| 16:21.37 | TheMasterMind1 | icefox: they stopped development for some reason |
| 16:21.47 | ljp_work | ya, the court of /. |
| 16:22.45 | ljp_work | where it has never lost |
| 16:22.49 | mark_ | ljp_work: hehe |
| 16:23.05 | Piete | lmao ljp_work |
| 16:23.28 | ljp_work | I remember when /. had some actual good discussions |
| 16:23.40 | mark_ | ljp_work: wow, you must be old |
| 16:24.14 | Piete | ljp_work: yea, I decided to stop reading /. this year |
| 16:24.35 | BigBoss | cor: yes, we have a desktop system already, it's just a matter of writing a conduit. the advantage to ours is that it runs on linux, windows and mac os |
| 16:24.41 | Piete | ljp_work: I was addicted to it; just sitting there hitting refresh, hoping a new storie would pop up :/ |
| 16:24.43 | troffasky | Piete: reading the stupid discussion threads isn't mandatory y'know |
| 16:24.47 | icefox | haha, I have a sub 20,000 user id. Just read at 4+ |
| 16:25.10 | Piete | icefox: yea, and a lot of the stuff at +4 is crap anyway |
| 16:25.26 | cor | wow, that's awesome news |
| 16:25.49 | warmi | yeah , folks like "Michael" and his "I hate everything corporate" posts became quite boring on /. |
| 16:27.34 | ljp_work | ya, bigbosses wife might get jealous |
| 16:28.05 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, gpe with gtk2 looks secksie |
| 16:28.35 | ciaolinux | does anyone know why many gb games are black & white on the gameboy emulator? |
| 16:28.50 | warmi | uh /. |
| 16:28.52 | warmi | ? |
| 16:28.57 | Piete | BigBoss: awesome! |
| 16:29.15 | warmi | ciaolinux: I am not sure I understand your question .. |
| 16:29.31 | Piete | ciaolinux: because they ARE b/w :) |
| 16:29.34 | warmi | if the game was originally black and white - it will apear so on the emulator as welll |
| 16:29.36 | TheMasterMind1 | ciaolinux: because they're blackandwhite games? |
| 16:29.41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 16:29.45 | TheMasterMind1 | i found this windows program once |
| 16:29.46 | Piete | ciaolinux: look for gbc games |
| 16:29.52 | TheMasterMind1 | converted bw gb games into color |
| 16:30.02 | TheMasterMind1 | you could try that |
| 16:30.17 | ciaolinux | no... they are not supposed to be b/w |
| 16:30.33 | treke | gtk2 is evil. |
| 16:30.44 | TheMasterMind1 | gtk2 is sexy |
| 16:30.45 | warmi | treke: gtkX is evil |
| 16:31.00 | ciaolinux | TheMasterMind1: how did it convert bw-> color? what criteria? |
| 16:31.01 | TheMasterMind1 | qt is evil and ugly. gtk is sexy |
| 16:31.09 | treke | qt is just ugly |
| 16:31.09 | TheMasterMind1 | ciaolinux: i dunno, i just remember seeing it |
| 16:31.12 | Piete | gtk2 is purdy |
| 16:31.32 | Piete | ljp_work: amen |
| 16:31.45 | warmi | qt is not ugly - it defaults to the look of the platform it is running on |
| 16:31.55 | Piete | ljp_work: I'd pay $20 for it if its good |
| 16:32.16 | ljp_work | it would probably be more than that if they had all their apps on it |
| 16:32.19 | treke | warmi: and the look on linux is ugly :) |
| 16:32.22 | BigBoss | tkc can't because of legal issues |
| 16:32.40 | BigBoss | and then everyone would want their own version of the rom with different combinations of apps |
| 16:32.46 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 16:33.09 | warmi | treke: because default Motif look is ugly |
| 16:33.11 | ljp_work | have a custom rom thingy on your web site where people can make their own roms :) |
| 16:33.17 | warmi | but that's Motif problem - not Qt |
| 16:33.19 | Cloudchaser | yeah but still i'd buy it bigboss |
| 16:33.23 | BigBoss | ljp: I've been discussing that for months |
| 16:33.33 | BigBoss | the idea is good, but it doesn't resolve the legal issues |
| 16:33.35 | TheMasterMind1 | does gtk use c or c++ |
| 16:33.39 | ljp_work | true |
| 16:33.41 | BigBoss | I don't have a license to the Qtopia kernel |
| 16:33.44 | Piete | ljp_work: I meant for a basic, clean rom |
| 16:33.54 | BigBoss | and if I make it with gpl qtopia, then I can't link my apps in |
| 16:33.54 | warmi | TheMasterMind1: it uses c |
| 16:33.56 | treke | TheMasterMind1: there are c++ bindings for it |
| 16:34.04 | BigBoss | gtk is evil |
| 16:34.05 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: i understand the issues.. such a shame |
| 16:34.05 | TheMasterMind1 | one more reason its better :) |
| 16:34.09 | warmi | TheMasterMind1: basically, it tries to use C , C++ way which is horrible .. |
| 16:34.11 | icefox | yah, but they are junk (last I checked about a year ago) |
| 16:34.37 | warmi | yeah there was a "war" of sorts between GTK C++ bindings maintainers .. |
| 16:34.50 | Cloudchaser | hey i read a post about a guy that is working on debian for the z... |
| 16:34.56 | warmi | the main dude finally quit saying that GTK sucks and he switched to Qt ( I kid you not) |
| 16:35.04 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 16:35.08 | icefox | http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/ |
| 16:35.08 | BigBoss | yea, that was Guillame Laurent |
| 16:35.11 | BigBoss | that dude is SMART |
| 16:35.16 | Piete | BigBoss: thats too bad :( I really would have enjoyed a rom *with* *the* *user* *in* *mind* *and* *thats* **EASY** *to* *use* |
| 16:35.25 | Cloudchaser | icefox: is that viable solution? |
| 16:35.35 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.36 | warmi | yeah, he was writing some sort of MIDI program or somethign like that |
| 16:35.42 | Cloudchaser | ah.. |
| 16:35.44 | icefox | but it might be an excellent startng point for some people |
| 16:35.45 | BigBoss | yes, it's Rosegarden - it's very nice too |
| 16:35.46 | Cloudchaser | sounded interesting |
| 16:36.15 | BigBoss | piete: I like the idea of being able to make custom roms with just what you want, but I think that this becomes less of an issue with the new roms in the new devices |
| 16:36.22 | BigBoss | icefox correct me if I'm wrong |
| 16:36.23 | warmi | icefox: isn't OZ a heavily modified Debian kernel ? |
| 16:36.42 | ljp_work | little does that guy know familiar is debian with a smaller package management system |
| 16:36.43 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 16:36.44 | TheMasterMind1 | warmi: no |
| 16:36.51 | TheMasterMind1 | warmi: oz uses the same kernel as sharp |
| 16:36.57 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: why's that? |
| 16:37.04 | TheMasterMind1 | oz is based heavily on debian though |
| 16:37.07 | BigBoss | because they are writable |
| 16:37.14 | Cloudchaser | ah nice |
| 16:37.17 | TheMasterMind1 | and the debian on Z project uses the oz kernel |
| 16:37.19 | TheMasterMind1 | which is a modified sharp kernel |
| 16:37.20 | BigBoss | they don't distinguish between ram and rom |
| 16:37.21 | Piete | BigBoss: yes, but still, I'm not spending another $500 just to get better apps :/ |
| 16:37.27 | warmi | TheMasterMind1: that's what I meant - not that this is a current Debian but it was based on Debian |
| 16:37.45 | treke | BigBoss: Is the entire rom writable? I thought it was just going to be the storage half of the rom |
| 16:37.47 | TheMasterMind1 | warmi: the kernel isn't, but the rom itself is based heavily on debian |
| 16:37.47 | BigBoss | piete: you can make your own rom if you really want to, Kergoth had some app for doing it |
| 16:37.48 | Cloudchaser | Piete: i can't afford to spend 500.00 at the moment either |
| 16:37.54 | warmi | eh ... it is too damn confusing .. |
| 16:37.57 | kergoth | mornin |
| 16:37.59 | BigBoss | i think |
| 16:38.02 | icefox | warmi: yes OZ is heavily Debian |
| 16:38.04 | Cloudchaser | hi kergoth |
| 16:38.04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sup |
| 16:38.19 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 16:38.29 | icefox | treke: the 5600 is the same as the 5000 full of symlinks |
| 16:38.45 | icefox | but you can edit /etc/fstab and change the readonly jff2 partion to rw |
| 16:38.48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: when you get a chance, email me those oopses, i need something to play with |
| 16:38.56 | treke | ah |
| 16:38.58 | Piete | BigBoss: yes, but polished, commercial apps tend to be better |
| 16:39.02 | icefox | I think it should have been a cramfs, but that is me |
| 16:39.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: alrighty. they are no picnic, let me tell you :) |
| 16:39.15 | Piete | BigBoss: I'd LOVE a rom created by tkc |
| 16:39.17 | icefox | both for the speed improvments and size reduction |
| 16:39.25 | BigBoss | Piete: you can do it with our apps if you own them. I'm not sure what you want to do since you have apps and have a Z - where is the issue? |
| 16:39.31 | kergoth | um, last i checked cramfs didnt compress _that_ much better than jffs2 |
| 16:39.41 | icefox | oh? |
| 16:39.54 | icefox | I still thought it was better and faster |
| 16:40.03 | icefox | Piete: make is a php app |
| 16:40.18 | kergoth | I dunno about speed, havent done any testing. compression is only a little better though |
| 16:40.38 | icefox | Hmm I wonder how much people would pay for a ROM building gui app |
| 16:40.45 | icefox | drag and drop the ipk's |
| 16:40.46 | icefox | haha |
| 16:40.56 | kergoth | icefox: people have requested that on multiple occasions |
| 16:40.59 | BigBoss | icefox: that was exactly what my idea was |
| 16:41.06 | BigBoss | I discussed it with kergoth a long time ago |
| 16:41.10 | Piete | icefox: thats not what I mean, what I mean is a rom that is actualy user friendly |
| 16:41.10 | kergoth | yup |
| 16:41.15 | BigBoss | but it leaves you with the legal problems |
| 16:41.21 | icefox | Piete: well that is different |
| 16:41.23 | TheMasterMind1 | Piete: a rom made by tkc would be nothing more than a sharp/oz rom with tkc apps. and you already have that when you install tkc onto your current rom.. |
| 16:41.24 | icefox | BigBoss: yah |
| 16:41.43 | BigBoss | TheMasterMind1 is right, that is why I'm not following you |
| 16:41.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: exactly. its just a matter of whats preinstalled |
| 16:42.08 | Piete | BigBoss: nevermind me then : its 2 am ;) |
| 16:42.13 | icefox | course it is like p2p networks. *it* doesn't actually do anything bad, but can be the way |
| 16:42.40 | ljp_work | its just nice not to have to reinstall apps when you have to reflash |
| 16:43.02 | kergoth | so dd yourself an image you can flash back later |
| 16:43.04 | ljp_work | and having the apps you want |
| 16:51.19 | icefox | Is there a way to only display OK and not the X? |
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| 16:52.52 | ljp_work | mmmmmm, brownies for breakfast |
| 17:00.07 | Cloudchaser | icefox: i read your message about the how-to's...your how-to's are awesome |
| 17:00.31 | Piete | nite guys |
| 17:00.35 | icefox | Thanks |
| 17:00.36 | ljp_work | bye |
| 17:00.40 | icefox | I worked hard on them |
| 17:00.41 | Cloudchaser | g'night Pie |
| 17:00.46 | Cloudchaser | piete |
| 17:00.50 | cor | icefox: i agree...great job |
| 17:01.03 | icefox | and me don't write well english :-D |
| 17:01.19 | Cloudchaser | hehe well i have seen a few typos ;) |
| 17:01.28 | icefox | go ahead and submit |
| 17:01.32 | icefox | I will fix them! |
| 17:01.48 | Cloudchaser | hehe ok..i just never thought it was all that important ;) |
| 17:01.54 | icefox | I have probably read each one of those docs dozens of times trying to make them more clear |
| 17:02.08 | icefox | I think in all of my college classes only the english class was worth it |
| 17:02.11 | Cloudchaser | the only ones i ever had trouble with were the ones for usb |
| 17:02.18 | Cloudchaser | and i think that was a redhat issue ;) |
| 17:02.30 | Cloudchaser | it took me weeks to get it working |
| 17:02.39 | Cloudchaser | and then i had to give the laptop back when i got laid off |
| 17:02.42 | icefox | I amm not that good at english so I try really hard in papers, essays and articles |
| 17:02.43 | Cloudchaser | so i never bothered again |
| 17:03.35 | icefox | well under redhat 7 connectivity is now just a 1 step rpm install |
| 17:03.43 | Cloudchaser | it is? |
| 17:03.45 | Cloudchaser | usb? |
| 17:03.48 | icefox | yup |
| 17:03.53 | icefox | :-D |
| 17:03.54 | Cloudchaser | no more kernel patch? |
| 17:03.58 | icefox | nope |
| 17:04.10 | Cloudchaser | well i'll be |
| 17:04.14 | icefox | asuming you are using a stock kernel |
| 17:04.16 | Cloudchaser | i didn't know that |
| 17:04.19 | Cloudchaser | yes rh 7.3 |
| 17:04.37 | Cloudchaser | i'll try it right now! |
| 17:04.42 | Cloudchaser | what version? |
| 17:04.46 | icefox | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/lc_redhat.shtml |
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| 17:05.39 | kergoth | icefox: is that rpm for usbnet or usbdnet? |
| 17:05.56 | icefox | usbdnet |
| 17:06.08 | icefox | once 2.4.21 comes out I will re-do the howtos |
| 17:06.16 | icefox | life will be sooo much easier |
| 17:06.19 | kergoth | yay |
| 17:06.20 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:06.23 | kergoth | usbdnet is such crap |
| 17:06.35 | ljp_work | who's life will be easier?!? |
| 17:07.00 | icefox | everyone who wants connectivity |
| 17:07.02 | icefox | no patching |
| 17:07.08 | icefox | built into distros etc |
| 17:07.09 | kergoth | and it doesnt crash |
| 17:07.13 | kergoth | doesnt panic your box |
| 17:07.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:07.16 | icefox | yah most important |
| 17:07.28 | ljp_work | I havent patched for the z in some time. |
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| 17:07.41 | ljp_work | just rebuild the module |
| 17:07.43 | Cloudchaser | ben whats the smp after the kernel? |
| 17:07.44 | TheMasterMind1 | i've been using usbf for a while now with .19 |
| 17:07.48 | TheMasterMind1 | no problems at all |
| 17:07.57 | TheMasterMind1 | as opposed to all the usbd-usbnet problems i've heard of |
| 17:08.12 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 17:08.35 | icefox | Cloudchaser: dual boxes |
| 17:09.24 | Cloudchaser | like if i had updated my kernel and have 2 choices? |
| 17:09.42 | icefox | run uname -a |
| 17:09.47 | icefox | to see what rpm you need |
| 17:09.51 | Cloudchaser | i did that |
| 17:09.56 | icefox | and what did you get? |
| 17:10.09 | Cloudchaser | Linux 2.4.18-3 #1 Thu Apr 18 07:31:07 EDT 2002 i586 unknown |
| 17:10.10 | Cloudchaser | [mross@Cloud2540 mross]$ |
| 17:10.39 | Cloudchaser | i know i'd use the first one, not the smp one but i was just wondering what it was for |
| 17:11.37 | treke | Cloudchaser: its for multiprocessor machines |
| 17:11.42 | Cloudchaser | ah ok ;) |
| 17:11.43 | icefox | smp == mutli-processors |
| 17:11.45 | Cloudchaser | thanks |
| 17:12.12 | icefox | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/lc_generic.shtml |
| 17:12.19 | icefox | I also wrote a generic howto |
| 17:12.25 | icefox | to make life a heck of a lot easier |
| 17:12.44 | icefox | so the "generic" howto wouldn't be cluttered with tons of distro specific info |
| 17:14.02 | Cloudchaser | is the procedure for synch set up the same for the newest qtopia desktop as it was for 1.5? |
| 17:14.09 | nagROM | smp == symmetric MultiProcessing |
| 17:14.53 | Cloudchaser | ben: if i use the rpm though.. i don't have to do that generic one do i? |
| 17:16.27 | Cloudchaser | hiya twiun |
| 17:16.33 | Twiun | hey Cloudchaser |
| 17:21.09 | mark_ | hi Twiun, Cloudchaser |
| 17:25.20 | Twiun | hey mark |
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| 17:31.22 | Cloudchaser | ben you still here? |
| 17:41.05 | Cloudchaser | icefox: ping |
| 17:41.14 | cor | hah this is great, i have three copies (that i can't delete) of the same calendar item |
| 17:41.53 | icefox | PONG |
| 17:42.45 | mark_ | yeah, man that stinks |
| 17:42.59 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 17:43.01 | Cloudchaser | question |
| 17:43.11 | Cloudchaser | i got the newest qtopia desktop 1.6 rpm |
| 17:43.41 | Cloudchaser | so the instructions you have..wouldn't apply? |
| 17:43.44 | Cloudchaser | i tried to make symlink |
| 17:43.53 | Cloudchaser | it was red |
| 17:43.58 | Cloudchaser | red is bad ;0 |
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| 17:45.12 | Cloudchaser | so..how do i figure out which symlinks i have to make? |
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| 18:10.16 | chouimat | re |
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| 18:11.57 | Cloudchaser | what the hell is wrong with trolltech! |
| 18:12.13 | Cloudchaser | i downloaded and installed the 1.6 beta2 |
| 18:12.18 | Cloudchaser | qtopia desktop |
| 18:12.22 | Cloudchaser | can't get it to work |
| 18:12.26 | Cloudchaser | so i tried to uninstall it |
| 18:12.30 | Cloudchaser | says its not installed |
| 18:12.38 | Cloudchaser | so i try to install it.. says its installed |
| 18:12.53 | ljp_work | that would be rpm's fault, not TT |
| 18:13.02 | Cloudchaser | i got it from their website |
| 18:13.58 | ljp_work | but thats the rpm's system fault, not the packages |
| 18:14.13 | Cloudchaser | ? |
| 18:14.24 | Cloudchaser | i don't care who's fault it is |
| 18:14.34 | Cloudchaser | if it doesn't work it shouldn't be posted there |
| 18:15.08 | ljp_work | wokred here |
| 18:15.15 | ljp_work | works |
| 18:15.31 | Cloudchaser | 1.6 beta 2? |
| 18:15.40 | ljp_work | I believe so |
| 18:16.15 | Cloudchaser | what did you have to do to get it to work? |
| 18:16.33 | ljp_work | run it again |
| 18:16.40 | ljp_work | first time didnt work |
| 18:16.40 | Cloudchaser | run what? |
| 18:16.47 | ljp_work | qtopiadesktop |
| 18:16.50 | Cloudchaser | i keep getting "illegal instruction" |
| 18:17.07 | ljp_work | you use kde? |
| 18:17.23 | Cloudchaser | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.24 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 18:17.28 | Cloudchaser | gnome |
| 18:19.14 | erikd | only 2 hours in, 6 to go :( |
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| 18:24.43 | Cloudchaser | ljp any ideas for me? |
| 18:25.42 | ljp_work | force the install |
| 18:25.57 | ljp_work | oh. it is installed |
| 18:26.04 | treke | hmmm. do you ever get this fealing that you should have checked to see if an app worked before hacking it up? :) |
| 18:26.46 | Cloudchaser | i didnt hack anything |
| 18:27.17 | cor | Cloudchaser: rpm -ql RMP-filename to see what it installed, then manually remove them? |
| 18:27.34 | cor | (if you really want that beta, they have the source too) |
| 18:27.46 | Cloudchaser | i don't necessarily want that beta |
| 18:27.49 | Cloudchaser | i want something that works |
| 18:28.32 | kergoth | heh, then whyd you install a beta? |
| 18:28.39 | kergoth | by its very nature it could break |
| 18:28.43 | Cloudchaser | all the linux qtopia desktops were betas werent they? |
| 18:28.55 | treke | because the older qtopia desktops sucked more? |
| 18:29.24 | kergoth | treke: yes, but if you arent willing to risk breakage, one shoudnt be using a beta product. |
| 18:29.32 | kergoth | treke: it goes with the territory |
| 18:29.41 | Cloudchaser | is there a linux qtopia desktop that isnt a beta? |
| 18:30.02 | treke | hehe if one doesnt want breakage, one should use apps trolltech wrote :) |
| 18:30.07 | treke | er shouldnt |
| 18:30.10 | kergoth | treke: hah, good point |
| 18:30.29 | n55552873 | what is the best irc client for the zaurus? |
| 18:30.41 | treke | n55552873: I'd vote for opie-irc |
| 18:30.42 | Cloudchaser | i like zic |
| 18:30.44 | kergoth | opie-irc |
| 18:30.58 | ljp_work | opie-irc |
| 18:31.12 | n55552873 | im using tkcjabber and opie irc |
| 18:31.25 | n55552873 | I miss some features |
| 18:31.39 | n55552873 | like opening a private chat |
| 18:31.39 | kergoth | well there arent any other options. there are tkcjabber, opie-irc, zic. |
| 18:32.30 | n55552873 | will try zic then |
| 18:33.51 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: what CPU does your computer have? |
| 18:34.09 | Cloudchaser | 366 |
| 18:34.24 | mark_ | ibot: nickometer n55552873 |
| 18:34.24 | | 'n55552873' is 80.000% lame, mark_ |
| 18:34.28 | Cloudchaser | there isn't anything but a beta for qtopia desktop thats posted on trolltech |
| 18:35.12 | kergoth | so its only a beta. that doesnt imply you should have any expectations for it to behave like a released product. Beta is beta, regardless of how well or not well previous versions have been working. |
| 18:35.29 | ljp_work | ibot: nickometer mark_ |
| 18:35.29 | | 'mark_' is 14.000% lame, ljp_work |
| 18:35.34 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: you have a 386? I somehow doubt that. :P |
| 18:35.39 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 18:35.42 | Neo|Work | I mean, your zaurus is faster than that. :P |
| 18:35.42 | Cloudchaser | sorry |
| 18:35.58 | Cloudchaser | its an amd |
| 18:36.03 | Cloudchaser | 366mhz |
| 18:36.06 | Neo|Work | reason I ask is that "illegal instruction" usually means it's using some CPU instruction your CPU doesn't have |
| 18:36.08 | Neo|Work | so K6? |
| 18:36.23 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 18:36.24 | Neo|Work | if so, it's not entirely unlikely that it's optimized for i686 or so |
| 18:36.40 | Neo|Work | which means the only way to solve it is to get a version compiled for generic x86 rather |
| 18:36.41 | Cloudchaser | i think its i586 |
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| 18:36.46 | Neo|Work | i.e whine at trolltech |
| 18:37.17 | Neo|Work | this is just my best guess based on available information |
| 18:37.23 | Cloudchaser | thanks neo |
| 18:37.27 | Cloudchaser | does it do any good? |
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| 18:37.44 | Cloudchaser | and i just have to remove everything manually? |
| 18:37.59 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: i know its just a beta |
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| 18:38.09 | Cloudchaser | its how they get away from having to support it |
| 18:38.28 | Cloudchaser | there hasn't been a non-beta linux version as far as i know |
| 18:38.31 | ljp_work | or make it actually work |
| 18:38.38 | Cloudchaser | ljp i dont know how |
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| 18:38.55 | ljp_work | I was saying that about the beta status. |
| 18:39.04 | Cloudchaser | oh yes |
| 18:39.07 | Cloudchaser | agreed |
| 18:39.12 | erikd | ibot nickometer erikd |
| 18:39.12 | | 'erikd' is 0.000% lame, erikd |
| 18:39.17 | erikd | yes!@#$ |
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| 18:39.24 | ljp_work | TT isn't known for its applications |
| 18:39.28 | Cloudchaser | ibot nickometer Cloudchaser |
| 18:39.28 | | 'Cloudchaser' is 0.000% lame, cloudchaser |
| 18:39.30 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 18:39.32 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 18:39.43 | ljp_work | ibot: nickometer ljp_work |
| 18:39.43 | | 'ljp_work' is 14.000% lame, ljp_work |
| 18:39.47 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 18:39.50 | ljp_work | ibot: nickometer ljp |
| 18:39.50 | | 'ljp' is 0.000% lame, ljp_work |
| 18:39.50 | erikd | ibot nickometer 3y34M31337 |
| 18:39.50 | | '3y34M31337' is 99.780% lame, erikd |
| 18:39.54 | erikd | hehe |
| 18:40.06 | erikd | ibot nickometer aphistic |
| 18:40.06 | | 'aphistic' is 0.000% lame, erikd |
| 18:40.13 | Neo|Work | ibot nickometer |
| 18:40.14 | | Neo|Work: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:40.16 | Cloudchaser | ljp i should just know better |
| 18:40.17 | mark_ | ljp_work: yes it is. its known for crap applications :) |
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| 18:40.28 | Neo|Work | ibot nickometer -=-N307rOn--=12 |
| 18:40.28 | | '-=-N307rOn--=12' is 99.9384% lame, neo|work |
| 18:40.29 | erikd | back to work |
| 18:40.36 | Cloudchaser | its always someone else's fault but that doesn't help me does it |
| 18:40.50 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i dont think anyone claimed it did. |
| 18:41.04 | Cloudchaser | no kergoth i know that |
| 18:41.14 | ljp_work | you can always blame me for things. I'm used to it |
| 18:41.29 | kergoth | yeah damnit ljp, its all your fault we have no SD in 2.4.19 |
| 18:41.31 | kergoth | ;) |
| 18:41.35 | Cloudchaser | nope..i blame myself |
| 18:42.17 | ljp_work | I know, if I was wealthy enough, oz would have a sd module |
| 18:42.39 | mark_ | ljp_work: how does taht work? |
| 18:43.04 | kergoth | mark_: if he was wealthy enough, we could pay the feeds to get the specs, under NDA, to write a new binary sd module :) |
| 18:43.08 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:43.40 | mark_ | kergoth: how much? |
| 18:45.45 | Neo|Work | $99.95 |
| 18:45.52 | erikd | that's it? |
| 18:47.10 | Neo|Work | no, postage is another 4.88 too |
| 18:47.19 | erikd | oh |
| 18:47.19 | erikd | hmm |
| 18:47.24 | erikd | that might be too much then |
| 18:47.50 | mark_ | really, how much? |
| 18:48.00 | XavierXeon | i will sell it for twice the price ! |
| 18:48.33 | erikd | sold! |
| 18:48.42 | Neo|Work | if it wasn't entirely obvious, which I hope it was, I am not serious. :P |
| 18:49.10 | mark_ | Neo|Work: it was :) |
| 18:49.14 | chouimat | mark: MMC specs are 500$ |
| 18:49.32 | chouimat | don't know for the SD one |
| 18:49.45 | mark_ | thats about $10 from everyone in this chan |
| 18:50.16 | chouimat | kergoth: openzaurus inc. :) |
| 18:51.33 | erikd | lunch time |
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| 18:59.50 | Microdim | is there a trick to making your own backgrounds for oz3? |
| 19:00.05 | Microdim | cuz mine wont show up the background is just white |
| 19:00.41 | TheMasterMind1 | png or jpb |
| 19:00.42 | TheMasterMind1 | jpg |
| 19:01.32 | treke | Microdim: make it a jpg |
| 19:03.04 | Microdim | it is a png, I have made it a jpeg would that matter instead of a jpg? |
| 19:03.46 | kergoth | Microdim: um. jpg = jpeg |
| 19:03.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:03.47 | treke | rename it to .jpg, I dont know if opie relizes that .jpg and .jpeg are equivalent |
| 19:03.58 | kergoth | good point |
| 19:04.06 | kergoth | stupid Resource class extension assumptions |
| 19:04.07 | kergoth | bleh |
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| 19:04.58 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid classes |
| 19:04.58 | treke | kergoth: well it might work, I just know that jpg works |
| 19:05.01 | TheMasterMind1 | ;) |
| 19:05.16 | treke | <TheMasterMind1> This would all work if we used c and gtk |
| 19:05.22 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:05.39 | Microdim | ok it is a jpg, would having it on the sd have anything to do with it, I have a sandisk 128 mb SD Card |
| 19:05.52 | treke | no |
| 19:05.55 | TheMasterMind1 | treke :) |
| 19:05.57 | treke | as long as the SD card is always in |
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| 19:06.42 | Microdim | well dang, my image viewers ( showimg, zimage ) can read it, I dont know what he deal is |
| 19:07.55 | treke | Microdim: PNG images dont work as backgrounds right now. thats it |
| 19:08.31 | Microdim | well ok I would understand that, but it is a jpg |
| 19:08.57 | treke | is it renamed to jpg or did you actually convert the file to a jpeg? |
| 19:09.25 | Microdim | I used gimp and resaved it as jpg |
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| 19:11.46 | cor | doh, openzaurus.org is borked |
| 19:12.03 | cor | aha, not not more |
| 19:13.23 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:13.59 | cor | is this line from the OZ site "at this point neither Opera nor HancomWord function in OpenZaurus 3.0" still applicable? |
| 19:14.15 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 19:14.24 | cor | i could have sworn i seen a file in the package mgr that allowed for HanCom to be installed |
| 19:14.55 | cor | TheMasterMind1: so both those apps work in Oz too? |
| 19:16.56 | Microdim | I get an error when I try to load konqueror, "konqueror: error while loading shared libraries: konqueror: undefined symbol: polish__14QPEApplicationP7QWidget" what does that mean? do I have to restart the unit? |
| 19:18.48 | kergoth | cor: eh? where did you get that? |
| 19:19.04 | cor | kergoth: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/whyoz |
| 19:19.14 | cor | "Why shouldn't I use OpenZaurus?" |
| 19:19.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: want to fix that? mention that they are flaky in 3.0 but work great in 3.1rc1 or something |
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| 19:20.05 | cor | will they be included in 3.1? (or seperate installs) |
| 19:21.12 | kergoth | cor: eh? of course they arent included |
| 19:21.17 | kergoth | cor: there are legal issues. |
| 19:21.29 | kergoth | cor: they work fine if you rip them from sharp using the creator ipks from zsi |
| 19:22.18 | Microdim | Kergoth: I get an error when I try to load konqueror, "konqueror: error while loading shared libraries: konqueror: undefined symbol: polish__14QPEApplicationP7QWidget" what does that mean? do I have to restart the unit? |
| 19:22.44 | kergoth | 'restart the unit'? |
| 19:22.53 | Microdim | reboot the zaurus unit |
| 19:22.59 | kergoth | reboot wont do a damn thing. |
| 19:23.11 | Microdim | I know, I already tried that |
| 19:23.12 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:23.13 | kergoth | this isnt windows for gods sake man |
| 19:23.20 | kergoth | if you know, then why did you ask? |
| 19:23.22 | Microdim | :-) I know |
| 19:23.25 | kergoth | idiots |
| 19:23.31 | kergoth | what konq? what rom? |
| 19:23.34 | Microdim | I pasted that from like 2 pages up |
| 19:23.45 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:23.54 | treke | Microdim: it means your konqueror and your opie/qtopia are out of sync |
| 19:24.03 | kergoth | asking questions you already know the answer to because you're too lazy to type a new question pisses me off |
| 19:24.06 | kergoth | bleh |
| 19:24.37 | Microdim | its not that I am lazy it's that I am going some where in like 15 mins |
| 19:24.58 | Microdim | treke: how do i get them back in sync? |
| 19:25.09 | kergoth | you can start by anwering my questions. |
| 19:25.40 | treke | Microdim: You install a konqueror that is compatible with your opie |
| 19:26.11 | Microdim | kergoth: oz3, snapshot_20020311 |
| 19:26.32 | kergoth | theres your problem |
| 19:26.39 | kergoth | use konqueror from the OZ feeds, not from ZSI |
| 19:26.40 | kergoth | that package is ancient |
| 19:26.52 | kergoth | _always_ use the packages in the OZ feeds if they exist. always. |
| 19:27.32 | Microdim | kergoth: oh ok, Thank you, I will try not to ask questions that I know that answers to :-) |
| 19:27.38 | kergoth | np |
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| 19:29.26 | sockpuppet | hello can someone tell me how to turn my zaurus off |
| 19:29.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:29.45 | treke | this is gonna be fun |
| 19:29.47 | sockpuppet | kidding ;) |
| 19:29.47 | oGMo | sockpuppet: tell it to turn off |
| 19:29.57 | oGMo | ;) |
| 19:30.04 | oGMo | hehe kergoth |
| 19:33.24 | Microdim | what is the diff between "konq - snapshot" and "konq - snapshot - full" |
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| 19:33.41 | kergoth | Microdim: full contains javascript support |
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| 20:41.44 | cor | who supports the default calendar application? qpe is trolltech right? |
| 20:41.57 | treke | sharp does |
| 20:43.41 | cor | would that be myzaurus.com? |
| 20:44.40 | treke | ye |
| 20:44.45 | treke | yes |
| 20:47.47 | cor | danke |
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| 20:48.58 | SukoShi | hi |
| 20:49.06 | SukoShi | kergoth: nothing :( |
| 20:50.11 | kergoth | SukoShi: i noticed |
| 20:51.37 | SukoShi | kergoth: i send you an email |
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| 20:54.26 | treke | ibot kergoth ? |
| 20:54.28 | | it has been said that kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 20:54.54 | treke | kergoth: you seen bigboss's post on the tkc list about qt3.1 and gcc 3.2? |
| 20:55.17 | icefox | what does it say? |
| 20:55.31 | kergoth | treke: I'm not on the tkc lists with any current mailboxes of mine. please forward it over |
| 20:55.38 | kergoth | treke: er nevermind, you just did |
| 20:57.54 | treke | ibot: Warns about some basically that they dont plan to support gcc 3.2, and that from talking to his lawyer it appears that you cant run commercial apps on Opie/OZ |
| 20:57.56 | | You are moron #7, treke |
| 20:58.26 | treke | hehe |
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| 20:58.47 | treke | I really need to fix tab completion in irssi |
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| 21:00.17 | staylor | ibot: nickometer staylor |
| 21:00.17 | | 'staylor' is 0.000% lame, staylor |
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| 21:00.37 | chouimat|nap | huh? |
| 21:01.12 | chouimat|nap | treke: does it tell why ? |
| 21:01.26 | treke | chouimat|nap: Linking issues. read the archives :) |
| 21:01.44 | cor | ibot: nickometer staylor |
| 21:01.44 | | 'staylor' is 0.000% lame, cor |
| 21:01.52 | chouimat|nap | treke: url? |
| 21:02.27 | treke | bleh its a private archive |
| 21:02.48 | chouimat|nap | treke: mchoui@e-c.qc.ca |
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| 21:13.38 | godsmoke | I seem to have isolated my mp3 skipping problem |
| 21:13.50 | SukoShi | so? |
| 21:14.00 | SukoShi | where is the problem? |
| 21:14.02 | godsmoke | it seems to only happen with this one cf card I have |
| 21:14.10 | godsmoke | but ... here's the confusing part |
| 21:14.18 | godsmoke | no skipping when I use an old 4x 32 MB card |
| 21:14.27 | godsmoke | but I get skipping when I use a 16x 512 MB card |
| 21:14.38 | SukoShi | latency is bigger on some |
| 21:14.43 | godsmoke | right |
| 21:14.53 | godsmoke | but ... the skipping is pretty bad |
| 21:14.57 | SukoShi | good brand? |
| 21:15.03 | SukoShi | or noname product? |
| 21:15.04 | godsmoke | yeah, pretty good |
| 21:17.36 | godsmoke | it's a Viking cf card |
| 21:17.46 | godsmoke | and it even says on the website that it's great for mp3 players |
| 21:17.49 | godsmoke | it wasn't cheap |
| 21:18.34 | godsmoke | I'm gonna go call tech support |
| 21:18.52 | godsmoke | maybe it needs to be replaced |
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| 21:41.20 | mark_ | sed: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: Error 23 |
| 21:41.23 | mark_ | erm, crap |
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| 22:14.52 | cor | does anybody know of an offline browser app for Z? (something like AvantGo) |
| 22:16.46 | treke | plucker and opie-reader |
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| 22:17.25 | angry | where can i find the steps for connecting to a WLAN? |
| 22:18.07 | Twiun | cor: zeppo or something else named like that |
| 22:18.18 | Twiun | cor: look on the Zaurus Software Index |
| 22:18.47 | cor | "Opie-Reader Plucker" is it one and the same? hmm? |
| 22:19.13 | kergoth | cor: they're two completely different apps |
| 22:19.21 | kergoth | er |
| 22:19.26 | kergoth | no |
| 22:19.28 | kergoth | god i'm tired |
| 22:19.44 | treke | two apps |
| 22:19.46 | treke | hence the and |
| 22:20.30 | cor | http://www.plkr.org/index.plkr?a=news&article=18 << misleading |
| 22:20.31 | Twiun | get kergoth some caffeine STAT! |
| 22:21.02 | ljp_work | sh /usr/bin/kergoth.sh restart |
| 22:22.08 | kergoth | Usage: kergoth.sh {start|stop|show} |
| 22:22.15 | angry | discoverer tells me my lan has "bad WEP field detected" |
| 22:22.27 | angry | then "opened eth0 ok" |
| 22:22.36 | cor | hehe |
| 22:22.37 | Twiun | /etc/cron.daily/kergoth stop; sleep 24h; /etc/cron.daily/kergoth start |
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| 22:22.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:22.58 | Twiun | hey Sil |
| 22:23.16 | SillyZ | heya |
| 22:23.54 | ljp_work | cat /usr/bin/coffee > /usr/bin/kergoth.sh |
| 22:24.08 | angry | what are the steps for connecting to a WLAN? |
| 22:24.09 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 22:24.22 | SillyZ | ps -ax coffee | grep kergoth | cut -d: -f1 |
| 22:24.24 | SillyZ | :) |
| 22:24.39 | Twiun | ljp_work: should pipe it in... get him to mainline the stuff :) |
| 22:25.14 | ljp_work | ahh |
| 22:25.23 | ljp_work | hmm.. bbl.. real work |
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| 22:33.28 | warmi | hi |
| 22:41.10 | Twiun | hey warmi |
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| 22:43.54 | warmi | Twiun: when are you going to see the light and switch to C++/qt ... |
| 22:44.16 | kergoth | grr |
| 22:46.31 | Twiun | warmi: I'm enjoying corrupting both worlds too much with JNI |
| 22:46.41 | Twiun | warmi: mixing C++ and java is just too evil to pass up |
| 22:47.24 | warmi | oh you are doing this implementation of Java running on top of qte - I forgot about it |
| 22:47.31 | warmi | I am sure that is a lot of fun |
| 22:47.56 | Twiun | I've taken a few days holiday - cramming j2ee so I can add it to my cv :) |
| 22:48.20 | warmi | j2ee ? like jdbc , servlets , messaging all this for the zaurus ? |
| 22:48.28 | Twiun | lol, no |
| 22:48.49 | Twiun | just normal j2ee to get a job and not stress about paying the rent |
| 22:49.03 | warmi | ah ok hehe |
| 22:49.24 | Twiun | I'd rather there were more jobs that didn't need j2ee |
| 22:49.33 | warmi | btw.. there is no "normal j2ee" - all of that is wicked anyway |
| 22:49.46 | Twiun | true enough |
| 22:50.19 | warmi | Jan 14, 2003 4:34:49 PM java.util.prefs.FileSystemPreferences syncWorld |
| 22:50.22 | warmi | WARNING: Couldn't flush system prefs: java.util.prefs.BackingStoreException: Couldn't get file lock. |
| 22:50.27 | warmi | now I am gettign this .. |
| 22:50.34 | Twiun | wounds like you're using java 1.4 |
| 22:50.39 | Twiun | sounds |
| 22:50.39 | warmi | must be trying to write somewhere where it doesn't have permission |
| 22:50.46 | warmi | yeah 1.4.1 |
| 22:51.07 | Twiun | that or ~/.java doesn't exist |
| 22:51.29 | Twiun | it's safe to ignore - unless you actually use the preference engine |
| 22:51.38 | warmi | does it supposed to create this if it is not ther e? |
| 22:51.45 | Twiun | afaik it's not |
| 22:51.55 | Twiun | enough people bitch about software doing stuff unasked :) |
| 22:52.19 | warmi | actually it is there |
| 22:52.32 | warmi | for some reason it fail on my solaris development box |
| 22:52.46 | warmi | I am integrating my backend code with GUI stuff written by someone else |
| 22:52.51 | Twiun | lol |
| 22:52.54 | Twiun | have fun :) |
| 22:53.03 | warmi | that GUI was written on Windows and is giving me this sort of "warnings" when running on my solaris |
| 22:53.09 | warmi | yeah .. I am sure I will |
| 22:53.09 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:53.19 | Twiun | g'night |
| 22:53.36 | warmi | bye |
| 22:55.00 | TheMasterMind1 | gah! |
| 22:55.34 | kergoth | ahaha thats why its oopsing |
| 22:55.44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:55.49 | TheMasterMind1 | fixed pm_suspend ? |
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| 22:59.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, though it doesnt absorb the keypress atm, so even though it suspends, your app still gets the escape press :) |
| 22:59.19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:59.53 | kergoth | course that doesnt hurt much in console, so fuck it, i'll fix it later |
| 23:04.56 | TheMasterMind1 | btw without the collie module does ts_test work proplery in console? |
| 23:04.57 | TheMasterMind1 | or is it flaky |
| 23:07.23 | kergoth | it works properly. little jitter, but you can use the dejitter module to make it really work well |
| 23:15.53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: did you see, someone wrote a lirc based input plugin for qpe |
| 23:17.28 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 23:19.17 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i think the users want another news update |
| 23:19.22 | TheMasterMind1 | we got anything to put up? |
| 23:19.24 | kergoth | theres nothing to be said. |
| 23:19.27 | TheMasterMind1 | battery updates, keyboard fix |
| 23:19.46 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing from sharp |
| 23:20.03 | TheMasterMind1 | no sources on the page |
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| 23:22.23 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: sup |
| 23:22.29 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Moo |
| 23:22.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: altavista's japanese to english is pretty good |
| 23:22.40 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: how're you holding up |
| 23:22.47 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Damned well :) |
| 23:22.51 | noda | (considering) |
| 23:22.54 | TheMasterMind1 | glad to hear it |
| 23:23.01 | noda | Basically, everything's exactly the same :P |
| 23:23.08 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:24.32 | noda | Hey, anyone know how to make gvim use Xft rendering? (or any other way to get antialiased fonts...) |
| 23:24.33 | kergoth | there, news update is up |
| 23:24.58 | TheMasterMind1 | oh.. heh i was gonna do it |
| 23:25.04 | TheMasterMind1 | makes life easier for me |
| 23:28.04 | angry | ibot, wireless |
| 23:28.06 | | rumour has it, wireless is The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 23:31.54 | angry | hrmm.. i did the instructions on http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wireless.shtml and now the LED on my card is solid.. was blinking before |
| 23:32.01 | angry | but i cant get a connection anywhere |
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| 23:48.21 | angry | grrrr |