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00:38.26benmeyerofftopic, but amusing
00:38.27benmeyerhttp://kaylee.meyerhome.net:81/~ben/DDR - Hi-5 - 3rd SwtPnoy85 - B4U - Basic.avi
00:38.46Twiunyikes, escape those spaces :^)
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00:45.10drewbawhy does it appear so many people are in this channel but no discussion is taking place?
00:45.31drewbasorry >> little discussion is taking place
00:46.05Twiundrewba: it's new year's day...
00:46.16Twiundrewba: most people are out having fun or relaxing
00:46.37drewbahehe.. I'll relax when i get the z connected wireless-ly
00:46.54hunterdielol
00:46.54drewbasup with these wifi cards? don't detect
00:48.04drewbabtw, i don't remember new years day being the fun one. That was the day I "used to" mope around the house and recover
00:48.34drewbaheh ;-)
00:48.49hunterdielol
00:48.57hunterdieits wine/sex day
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00:49.01hunterdieor
00:49.23hunterdievodka/vinegar/salt+big wholehouse orgy | day
00:50.16drewbawell, we did that yesterday and had mimosa's early this morning.
00:50.26hunterdielol
00:50.41hunterdiewhat one, the big single house orgy or the single partner sex?
00:50.49hunterdiei went to a pool orgy
00:50.50drewbaheheh
00:51.00hunterdieits hard going at it on your back in the water
00:51.17drewbaboyancy sucks
00:52.40hunterdielol
00:52.52hunterdieit was high salinity water just for this purpose
00:52.55hunterdielike in the dead sea
00:52.59hunterdieyou can lay on your back
00:53.02hunterdieread the news paper
00:53.07hunterdieand not get your elbows wet
00:53.37drewbacan't remember the last time I needed to do that...
00:53.52drewbausually it's a beer instead of the paper
00:54.08drewbaand who cares if it get wet... actually, the wtter the better
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02:09.56NoRemorseheya
02:10.33NoRemorseis the USB port on the zaurus capable of having a usb device plugged straight into it (given that a suitable adapter is used) ?
02:10.42treke|homeno
02:10.46NoRemorsesimilar to the toshiba e740 pocketPC
02:10.49treke|homenope
02:10.54NoRemorsedoh :)
02:11.24TheMasterMind1where would a printk in the kernel log messages to on my box?
02:11.46NoRemorse-> /var/adm
02:11.52NoRemorsesyslog or messages
02:12.07TheMasterMind1which one
02:12.17NoRemorsedepends on the sistrib byt check both :)
02:12.19NoRemorsedistrib
02:12.22H4NZ0its not a usb host
02:12.32NoRemorsetis a client?
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02:13.24NoRemorseI have a USB wireless lan cpe device that I desparately need to hook up to a handheld pda. dont care what brand or model, really dont wanna go down the path of a handheld PC liek the vaio's
02:13.54treke|homeNoRemorse: The toshiba is the only one I know of that you can hook up a usb device to
02:14.00treke|homeNoRemorse: That doesnt mean it will work though
02:14.09treke|homeyou still need drivers
02:14.21NoRemorseyes I have emailed the cpe manufacturor and asked about pc2002 device drivers
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02:14.26NoRemorsenot holding my breath tho
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02:53.07dlohinhey anyone have any experience w/ picogui and oz
02:53.39dlohin?
02:53.58dlohinI cant install mine, and it says I need to run ipkg update
02:54.07dlohindo I really need to run that?
02:54.32dlohinI intstalled all but base and server
02:54.40dlohinthe 2 most important ones
02:55.42treke|homerun ipkg update
02:55.56dlohinhehe... do I need to that takes forever
02:56.08dlohinI have a 56k modem
02:56.30treke|homeyes you do
02:56.37dlohinOk, well I will do it then
02:56.47dlohinwhat programs are there for picogui
02:56.47dlohin?
02:57.10treke|homebeats me
02:57.34dlohinand is there anyway that I can run qt programs on it
02:57.34dlohin?
02:57.50dlohinlike I can run them on Gnome type of thing
02:58.10treke|homeno
02:59.50treke|homegnome is a different story. It isnt a windowing system. Pico GUI is it's own system
03:01.13dlohinok
03:01.18dlohingot ya
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03:03.12TrekCyclingman Sharp sucks.
03:03.35scanlinedlohin: picogui is completely separate from Qt, it won't run Qt programs. There are very few apps for picogui
03:03.38scanlineibot: tell dlohin about picogui faq
03:05.23dlohinI can have both opie and picogui on my z at the same time... so no harm done
03:05.57scanlinetrue, but so far there's really no reason to use picogui on the zaurus other than playing around with it or development
03:06.25TrekCyclingThis business about the C-700 is getting absurd. Is Sharp doing the Zaurus as a hobby or for fun or do they care to communicate with the customers at all?
03:09.38TrekCyclinghey, has anyone used this over/under-clocking tool for the Zaurus?
03:11.49treke|homeTrekCycling: what are they not communicating about it? Havent they said they arent sure if it will be released?
03:13.09TrekCyclingtreke|home: I'm just getting annoyed reading all the mailing lists and all the talk about the various ways to English-ize the C-700. It would seem that if demand was as high as it seems and the buzz is as great as it is, that you might have a better idea if you were going to release or not.
03:13.21TrekCyclingAt least let the people know what the hell there is to decide about.
03:14.10TrekCyclingIt's almost humorous. The Zaurus is the most awesome device I've ever owned. And the company that sells it doesn't want to sell me another one and won't even bother to tell me why.
03:15.08treke|homeI'm sure they'd be glad to sell you a 5600 once its available
03:15.21TrekCyclingthat would be great, if I wanted a 5600
03:16.04treke|homethen order a one from japan. theres probably a lot of information about it on the japanese sites
03:16.39TrekCyclingI'm just saying. If people are paying $200 over retail, hacking their Zaurii and all other kinds of crazy crap to get a 5600 (I don't see people doing that for an A-300 or 5600), then why can't Sharp at least let us know what the sticking point is?
03:16.57TrekCyclingoops, I meant "to get a C-700"
03:18.07treke|homethats just the way things have always been. Not everything available in japan is sold in the us, even though there will always be people willing to import
03:18.23TrekCyclingright
03:18.37TrekCyclingBut I'd like to know why
03:18.56TrekCyclingthat's my point
03:19.02TrekCyclingso far the answer is
03:19.05TrekCycling...................................................................
03:19.23TrekCyclingnothing
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03:21.49treke|homeprobably never will say anything either.
03:21.54LordDavonHello everyone.
03:22.27TrekCyclingbut why?
03:22.31TrekCyclingjust because
03:22.38TrekCyclingaren't they a company?
03:22.48treke|homebecause it would cost more to build the units and support than they would recover in sales
03:22.52TrekCyclingthat's my point. Isn't their aim to make and sell products?
03:23.13TrekCyclingbased on what?
03:23.13treke|homeTheir aim is to make products that will sell
03:23.23treke|homeTrekCycling: based on what?
03:23.49treke|homebased on the cost to build the pdas. box up the pdas. market the pdas. pay people to do tech support for the pdas
03:23.58TrekCyclingright
03:24.06TrekCyclingthen they should say that, instead of saying nothing.
03:24.28treke|homewhy do they have to justify every time they dont sell something that another company does?
03:24.44TrekCyclingBecause right now the buzz is ridiculous. So I'd like them to at least say, "Silly little boy, there aren't enough perpsective C-700 users, go enjoy your 5600 now"
03:25.19TrekCyclingtreke|home: I think they need to justify why they'll sell a product in one market, but not another. They've given no reason, nor have they said they won't.
03:25.54treke|homeTrekCycling: sharp japan is essentially a different company
03:27.01TrekCyclingthat would be a good answer, then.
03:27.07TrekCyclingStrange I had to get that answer from an IRC user
03:27.19TrekCyclingThat's my point. Zero communication.
03:27.58TrekCyclingare we ever going to see the C-700? Silence. Will 5500 users get an updated ROM? Silence.
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03:28.14TrekCyclingIt's amazing they were able to pull this project together, when you think about it.
03:28.28treke|homeTrekCycling: Have you pesonally contacted sharp and asked about a new rom?
03:29.04dlohinI just d/led picogui
03:29.10TrekCyclingWould that help?
03:29.11dlohingot it running..
03:29.22treke|homeTrekCycling: Well if you dont ask them, they wont answer you
03:29.26TrekCyclingI've contacted them in the past and not gotten much in the way of an answer.
03:29.37TrekCyclingOther people have asked that question and received no answer.
03:29.52TrekCyclingWhy should I waste my nickel if they don't care to give their customers straight answers.
03:30.02dlohinnow the launcher is empty and when I run preferences my z crashes
03:30.05dlohinhmm..
03:30.10LordDavonTrekCycling:  They are testing the US market for the C700.  That is the official word.
03:30.33TrekCyclingOfficial word from where?
03:30.41TrekCyclingAnd what does testing mean?
03:30.44LordDavonSharo USA PR.
03:30.51LordDavonSharp.
03:31.03TrekCyclingThat's the first I've heard of that.
03:31.12LordDavonCall them.  That is what I did.
03:32.04TrekCyclingI will. That's interesting that you got an answer.
03:32.09dlohinany ideas?
03:32.38LordDavonTrekCycling:  They tend to talk to me since I am a developer and a journalist.  
03:32.50TrekCyclingah
03:33.14TrekCyclingThey probably won't talk to me, then. I'm only a customer.
03:33.42LordDavonTrekCycling:  I do not see why they would not release it in the US.  It is a remarkable PDA.  Just don't expect it before Q2 2003.
03:33.43treke|homecall them anyways
03:33.50treke|homeif they hang up on you dont buy their products
03:34.19TrekCyclingThat's a good point. I'll buy the other handheld PC that runs linux smoothly out of the box.
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03:35.06TrekCyclingwhich is kind of my point. Good product. Too bad the company doesn't seem to want to sell it.
03:35.30treke|hometoo bad people dont seem to want to buy the product
03:35.44TrekCyclingnot just good product, only product of its kind.
03:35.45LordDavonExactly treke.
03:35.52treke|homethey
03:36.03dlohinanyone use picogui?
03:36.20treke|homeI never saw 5500s on the shelves for more than a month or two
03:36.37treke|homeafter that stores just stopped stocking them
03:37.05LordDavontreke:  Not to mention that even I didn't get my 5500 much over $300.  $306 to be exact.
03:37.20dlohinyeah
03:37.30dlohinsimiliar pdas are 400
03:37.35dlohineven now
03:37.36TrekCyclingOnly being a lowly customer, I have no idea what that means, though. Could be they're selling like crazy, could be they're not selling.
03:37.51treke|homeTrekCycling: if they were selling like crazy stores would restock them
03:38.09treke|homeInstead of dropping the price 200 bucks and never carrying them again
03:38.13TrekCyclingthat's assuming stores were the primary channel.
03:38.48treke|homeyes that is. That's also where the general population buys their products
03:39.03scanlinedlohin: read the picogui FAQs on the openzaurus site
03:39.24dlohini did
03:39.29dlohinIt aint helping
03:39.35dlohinI got it working
03:39.43TrekCyclingIs it a failing, money wise, if it's not consumed en masse by the "general public"?
03:39.48LordDavonEven though the C700 is an amazing device, it still may not do well because it runs Linux.  In the US, JohnQPublic wants Windows or Palm.
03:40.22TrekCyclingLordDavon: That would at least be an answer.
03:41.22TrekCyclingAs a lowly customer, I know nothing of any of this. All I know is that I bought my Zaurus, I use it and I wait for any news of ROM updates or new products. Sometimes patiently, sometimes impatiently.
03:41.38TrekCyclingIf it's selling *that* poorly that it's just not viable in the US, that would at least be an answer.
03:42.07treke|homea company isnt going to say that. they dont want you to give up and buy someone elses product
03:42.31LordDavonTrekCycling: At least the 5600 is coming here.  That is a good continuation of an excellent product.  That is a dedication to the customer for Sharp since the 5500 did not do very well.
03:43.26TrekCyclingThat's crazy to me that the 5500 didn't do well. There's software everywhere. Commercial software, even. Anecdotally, all the stores where I buy my stuff say the sales have been fine.
03:43.34dlohinscanline: when it says I need tcp/op does that mean I need to have network access
03:43.35dlohin?
03:43.54scanlineno
03:44.24dlohinscanline.. b4 launching pgserver i typed ifup lo in the terminal and I got "ifup is already running
03:44.50LordDavonTrekCycling:  I fail to see where there is software everywhere.  Besides TheKompany, there are really not that many commercial applications available.
03:45.01scanlinedlohin: sounds like you typed something wrong...
03:45.19TrekCyclingLordDavon: Were you around the first year of WindowsCE?
03:45.31dlohinwhat am I supposed to type
03:45.34TrekCyclingI was, and the software available kills the software available for WinCE then.
03:46.09dlohinifup lo
03:46.11TrekCyclingthat's why it's weird for me. I've been here before, watching a new product get off the ground. And in terms of available software, the Z looks quite healthy when compared with past product releases.
03:46.12LordDavonTrekCycling:  My first PDA was a Casio E-100.  So yes, and no.  The only difference is that the hardware has advanced.
03:46.28dlohinscanline: that is what I typed
03:46.46LordDavonTrekCycling:  Back then, 75Mhz Mips processors weren't capable of much anything.
03:47.04TrekCyclingthat's not true.
03:47.12TrekCyclingyou could do a lot with 75MHZ.
03:47.20dlohinscanline it is telling my it is already configured
03:47.24treke|homeTrekCycling: It may be healthy for its age, but it now has to go head to head with windows ce, and compete to a lesser extent with palms
03:48.02TrekCyclingtreke|home: Right, it's a new product. That's the way things work. You launch a new product you have to know you'll start behind.
03:48.19treke|homeif you are generous there's 650 apps to compete with 15000 on the palm
03:48.22TrekCyclingPoint is that for it's age in development it's way ahead in terms of functionality and available software.
03:49.01TrekCyclingYeah, and when I was a PocketPC user that 15000 number was the source of much ridicule.
03:49.13LordDavonTrekCycling:  We didn't have mature API's for anything back then.  GAPI was still new and buggy.  Now, we have X-Scale and 206Mhz Strongarms... SDL and the ability to port directly from Linux... but so doesn't WinCE.
03:49.26treke|homeand I dont have a clue what the number is for wince
03:49.56dlohinthey have everquest and age of empires though
03:49.59dlohin]and that is cool
03:50.18dlohinanother thing I would love to see for the Z is the transciber
03:50.23dlohinfrom winCE
03:50.31dlohinother than that I hate winCE
03:50.50LordDavondlohin:  I agree.  The amount of large commercial companies turning to PocketPC is big draw.
03:51.02treke|homenow if someone else were to come out with a qtopia pda maybe it could make it, but I dont think one company will be able to make it
03:51.25TrekCyclingwhat do you mean by qtopia PDA?
03:51.26treke|hometheres a half dozen or more putting out wince pdas, and four that I can think of using palmos
03:51.33treke|homeTrekCycling: A PDA running Qtopia
03:51.38TrekCyclingisn't that what the Zaurus is?
03:51.42treke|homeTrekCycling: Yes
03:52.15TrekCyclingthere are other companies using the platform.
03:52.21TrekCyclingJust none here in the US.
03:52.30TrekCyclingI don't see how that would help, though.
03:52.43TrekCyclingIf the market is too small for Sharp, how would more companies help.
03:53.24Cloudchasermore companies = more credibility
03:53.36Cloudchasermore credibility = more commercial development
03:53.53TrekCyclingMaybe, maybe not.
03:54.01Cloudchasercommercial companies don't want to port their apps over to linux with such a limited market
03:54.04TrekCyclingthe only reason WinCE has credibility is Microsoft.
03:54.15Cloudchaserthats more than enough
03:54.21Cloudchaserlike it or not
03:54.40TrekCyclingmy point is that it had little to do with the hardware manufacturers.
03:54.49treke|homeinitially. Now its credible because god knows how many manufacturers use it
03:54.56LordDavonJohnQPublic wants his PDA to look like his home PC.  That little start button is the evil that binds it all together.
03:55.04TrekCyclingIn fact, the WinCE hardware manufacturers were very inept for years, and sometimes numbered as few as 2
03:55.12Cloudchaserhe also wants his apps that he has now
03:55.14TheMasterMind1heh
03:55.15TheMasterMind1sup LordDavon
03:55.20LordDavonHeya TMM.
03:55.24treke|homeTrekCycling: It means that if sharp stops selling qtopia based pdas, the market more or less dries up
03:55.25TheMasterMind1how goes it
03:55.31LordDavonNot too bad.
03:55.37TrekCyclingWell, and that's kind of the interesting point.
03:55.42TheMasterMind1ah, nice. onyx added samba to buildroot
03:55.44TrekCyclingDidn't we know all this before the Zaurus arrived?
03:55.46treke|homeTrekCycling: If Compaq stop selling ipaqs, there is still toshiba, dell, audiovox
03:55.52Cloudchasertreke|home thats exactly right
03:55.57TrekCyclingDidn't Sharp know all this?
03:56.03treke|homesharp did
03:56.05LordDavonI knew samba was getting in there quick.
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03:56.29TrekCyclingSo wouldn't there sale expectations be adjusted to this reality?
03:57.19TrekCyclingThat's my point. The success of the Zaurus can't realistically be compared directly to Palm and Microsoft, can it?
03:57.20Cloudchaserwell they are bringing out second generation zaurus so..they must believe in its future
03:57.36TheMasterMind1ah
03:57.44TheMasterMind1time to try out pnis's new sound drivers
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03:59.09TrekCyclingAnd if it can't be compared to two entrenched bohemeths, one with a desktop monopoly, then by what measuring stick is the 5500 so underwhelming Sharp that the C-700 can't come to market here.
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03:59.34LordDavonTrekCycling:  The fact is... Sharp is out to make money.  They have hopes for an American market, but Japan is big into Linux and that is where the money is.
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04:00.18LordDavonTrekCycling:  At least for now, you can get one from Dynamism.com.
04:00.54TrekCyclingRight, but assuming they are out to make money, did they not accomplish that with the 5500? I mean, if I knew Palm and Microsoft were as dominant as they were either I would be making a gamble that I could grab some major market share or I would be basing the cost of producing the product on relative scant sales projections. I'm curious which it is.
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04:02.13LordDavonTrekCycling:  Who knows how much or if they even made money on the 5500, in the US.  
04:02.22LordDavonbrb...  making soup.
04:03.29TrekCyclingdoes anyone know about this overclocking app that's out for the Z? if it's safe? I'm thinking about *under*clocking my Z. Saving a little battery life, etc.
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04:07.03LordDavonback.
04:08.05LordDavonTrekCycling:  All in all, I love my C700.  It is the perfect PDA for me, but I don't know if its features could mask the fact that it runs Linux for JohnQPublic.
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04:08.37TrekCyclingOh, you actually own a C700?
04:08.48TrekCyclingfrom Dynamism?
04:09.27treke|homeand I love my opie based ipaq, but I just dont see the general public going for it
04:10.27LordDavonTrekCycling:  Yes.  It is one of the ones from Dynamism.
04:10.36TrekCyclingWell, that was kind of what I was getting at. I never expected the general public to "go for it" either. Not immediately. Thus if I was the president of Sharp, I would cost the Zaurus appropriately or I wouldn't make it at all, or I'd know that I was taking a risk.
04:11.15TrekCyclingLordDavon: How is it? Is it easy to use, English enough, I mean? Or are keys in Japanese, pieces of software, etc.?
04:11.59LordDavonTrekCycling:  I am the wrong person to ask about the conversion.  The keys are all but one in English.
04:12.44TrekCyclingLordDavon: What I mean, is as an end-user, is there anything you can't use. Is it all in English? Soft keyboard,  menus, etc.? At least as many installed apps as you have for the 5500 out of the box?
04:13.30benmeyerah, someone here got a C700?
04:14.29treke|homegah. will this dasher guy give up on submitting dasher
04:14.30LordDavonTrekCycling, The entire OS is in English.  There really isn't much of anything left in Japanese.
04:14.30TrekCyclingit's not stealing if you stole it from another thief
04:15.04treke|homehow many freaking times is he going to submit it
04:15.12benmeyersubmit what?
04:15.16TrekCyclingLordDavon: Well, maybe I'll have to buy from Dynamism. Have you tried wireless yet to see if it will work?
04:15.17treke|homebenmeyer: dasher
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04:17.26TheMasterMind1treke|home: block his ip or something?
04:17.51LordDavonTrekCycling:  No.  I am going to get some wireless stuff to test.  It should work since all of the modules are present.
04:18.38benmeyerdoes he know to update and now subit new ones?
04:18.57TrekCyclingLordDavon: Okay. I'll have to come on again sometime and ask how that went. I don't have the money for the C700 yet, but I'd import it if Wireless worked. Do existing apps work? Like the tkc apps? Or do they have to be redeveloped/recompiled to work?
04:18.59benmeyeris it not a z app?
04:19.19treke|homejust an X app
04:19.27treke|homewhich isnt even compiled for arm :)
04:19.44benmeyerhmm
04:20.22treke|homeand frankly, based on the screenshots I've seen, it looks rather useless on a pda
04:20.54treke|homevery screenspace hungry
04:21.03TheMasterMind1oh cool. i saw this on slashdot once
04:21.21treke|homehttp://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/djw30/images/pocket2.gif
04:21.31TheMasterMind1they have one for pocketpc
04:21.42TheMasterMind1which obviously explains why its on killefiz..
04:21.59benmeyerwell I will delete it tomarrow
04:22.22LordDavonback
04:22.26TheMasterMind1wb
04:22.56Neo|LaptopOne should note that the A300 can be made into english more or less by changing two characters
04:23.01LordDavonTrekCycling:  Most existing applications work fine.  tck has a couple of problem with the new sync method that they should have fixed by the end of January.
04:23.12TrekCyclingoh, that's good news
04:23.20Neo|Laptopof course installing the non-japanese input methods helps too
04:23.24TrekCyclingI may have to save my money, then. I'm tired of waiting.
04:23.47TrekCyclingI wonder if that $38 shipping is international too
04:23.59Neo|LaptopLordDavon: as for compatibility, how about, say, games?
04:24.07Neo|Laptopthat's where I can see things easily breaking...
04:24.13LordDavonNeo|Laptop:  It is a bit differnt on the C700, since it is really the English OS masked in Japanese. Mostly just need to remove the mask.
04:24.15Neo|Laptopand I'm talking about games like mine, not like qt ones
04:24.37LordDavonNeo|Laptop:  Which ones are yours?
04:24.38Neo|LaptopLordDavon: The A300 uses the standard OS with japanese locale. change the locale to english and voila
04:24.46Neo|Laptopibot eon games
04:24.47it has been said that eon games is game developer with many fine Zaurus titles, like Strategic Assault, Eligo and Bust'em. Other than original port, Eon Games also do a lot of porting (mainly Pocket PC to Sharp Zaurus but desktop porting as well). See http://eongames.com/ for more information.
04:24.50Neo|Laptopthat
04:25.16TheMasterMind1this that
04:25.52LordDavonNeo|Laptop:  They should work fine.  The unit switched to a 320x240 mode to gain compatibility.  My emulators all work and they use SDL.
04:26.00TrekCyclingNeo|Laptop: Does that mean you could get a C700 cheaper and could still do the "conversion" to English yourself?
04:26.29LordDavonTrekCycling:  The conversion tool is being released Open Source.
04:26.38Neo|LaptopLordDavon: automatically? weird. :P
04:26.42Neo|Laptopwonder how that works
04:26.45LordDavonTrekCycling:  So yes.  
04:27.10Neo|Laptopand even without it it shouldn't be too hard. certainly not as hard as it sounded on when posted on Slashdot. :P
04:27.28Neo|Laptopmind you, the one broken thing on the A300 is the date format
04:27.37Neo|Laptopwhich is hardcoded, no matter how it's configured
04:27.38LordDavonNeo|Laptop:  Games that use 640x480/144 or 480x640/144 need an additional line in the .desktop file or the unit will switch resolution when starting.
04:27.47Neo|LaptopLordDavon: ah, smart
04:27.59treke|homehaving to deal with sharp japan for any repairs seems like a major hassle
04:28.07Neo|Laptopso does it automatically use 240x320 rather than 320x240 then?
04:28.18LordDavonYes
04:28.27Neo|Laptopalways or another flag?
04:28.39Neo|Laptopseems like Sharp did some things smartly here
04:29.07LordDavonAlways, from what I can tell.
04:29.45TheMasterMind1hmm
04:29.48TheMasterMind1LordDavon: what about rotation
04:30.00LordDavonRotation work also.
04:30.06TheMasterMind1you have to restart to rotate?
04:30.16treke|homeNeo|Laptop: sounds like the zaurus is turning into the rotation hell that the ipaq is :)
04:30.31LordDavonNope.  Just turn the screen and the bugger rotates.
04:30.41Neo|Laptoptreke|home:  meaning? :P
04:30.46Neo|LaptopI already handle 3 rotations so I should be fine
04:30.54TheMasterMind1LordDavon: trigger by hardware?
04:31.20LordDavonOr software.  You can switch rotation of the next execution, just like in Opie.
04:31.53TheMasterMind1i remember when i used picogui - rotation is so painless
04:32.01TheMasterMind1opie you have to restart don't you?
04:32.16TheMasterMind1LordDavon: should have
04:32.35Neo|LaptopLordDavon: man, if you had  found someone stupid enough to do that
04:32.36Neo|Laptopdamn
04:32.42LordDavonLMAO
04:32.43LordDavonbeb
04:32.45LordDavonbrb
04:32.49TheMasterMind1LordDavon: any idea how many units are backordered?
04:35.25LordDavonTMM: At Dynamism?
04:35.40TheMasterMind1ja
04:36.02LordDavonYes, but I don't know if they would appreciate me saying.
04:36.09TheMasterMind1ah
04:36.11TheMasterMind1gotcha
04:36.39LordDavonI do know that they are paying retail right now to fulfill the orders.
04:39.39Neo|Laptopwhat is your relationship to dynamism?
04:45.39TheMasterMind1ibot die
04:45.40ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.
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04:50.29TheMasterMind1hello
04:52.19LordDavonSorry guys.  Abi just starting throwing up about 10 minutes ago.  be back in a few.
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05:05.47LordDavonback
05:05.50LordDavonYUK!!!!
05:06.41LordDavonI almost lost my cookies too.
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05:08.20LordDavonNeo.  You still here?
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05:09.18hobbsI've got another product idea for you, LordDavon. MaxMonkeys: simulates a million monkeys on typewriters, all in the comfort of your own handheld.
05:09.28hobbsif you're lucky, you'll get some shakespeare.
05:09.38hobbsif you're not, you get L. Ron Hubbard instead.
05:09.52LordDavonLMAO
05:12.47TheMasterMind1what exactly are all the Max things
05:12.52TheMasterMind1never used any of em
05:13.12hobbsOnly one that comes to mind for me is MaxMAME.
05:13.33hobbsWhich is, of course, arcade games (yay)
05:14.20LordDavonMaxMame, MaxMess and MaxMiga.
05:14.29TheMasterMind1emulators
05:14.30TheMasterMind1i see
05:14.31hobbsah, yes. :)
05:14.54LordDavonMaxAbuse isn't working.
05:15.10LordDavonEither is MaxDOSBox.
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05:15.49LordDavonOr MaxOpenGlad
05:15.56LordDavonOr MaxKegs
05:16.04hobbsIs MaxAbuse abuse-SDL ?
05:16.08hobbshah. KEGS would be the man. :)
05:16.11LordDavonYes
05:16.17LordDavonI am having a problem linking.
05:16.23hobbsI have a real GS in my basement. Works great. :)
05:16.34LordDavonI haven't had time to work out the bugs yet.
05:16.35hobbsbut the Z is a lot easier to carry around.
05:16.41TheMasterMind1hmm, i want a virtual valerie for my Z
05:16.57LordDavonMaxKegs actually works, but I can't get it fully in 320x240 mode.
05:17.31hobbshrm.
05:18.00LordDavonI am having the same problem with FreeDroids.
05:18.28LordDavonActually, freedroids works great, but after it builds the maps, it crashes.
05:18.37hobbsnever met that one.
05:18.39Neo|LaptopLordDavon: yes
05:18.43TheMasterMind1heh
05:18.49TheMasterMind1i've never heard of any of this stuff
05:18.54TheMasterMind1must be before my time
05:19.12hobbsAbuse is a platform sort of game with killer graphics, IIRC.
05:19.25hobbsKEGS is an apple IIgs emulator.
05:19.56LordDavonNeo|Laptop:  I did the conversion.
05:20.50LordDavonhobbs:  You use MaxMame?
05:23.03hobbsLordDavon: not yet. I might if I ever get time to download it.
05:24.25TheMasterMind1where's kergoth
05:24.33hobbsdoubtful you're younger than me.
05:24.46TheMasterMind1i probably am
05:24.49TheMasterMind1how old are you
05:24.58LordDavonIt is really nice.  It is a port of AdvanceMame.  AdvanceMame is designed for arcade monitors and will adjust every game to fit the screen.  So, on the Zaurus it will fit all games to the Zaurus screen.
05:25.05hobbs16.
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05:25.16TheMasterMind1hobbs: same
05:25.22hobbsLordDavon: without time-consuming math?
05:25.35LordDavonhobbs: It runs very nicely.
05:25.38TheMasterMind1how old is kergoth?
05:25.40hobbsTheMasterMind1: not bad then, I always guessed you for older.
05:25.57hobbsTheMasterMind1: (of course, I try for the same effect myself, at least until I get to know people. It's useful.)
05:25.58jstevensanyone know if there has been an ipk complied for the zaurus for the tftp server? ... looking everywhere and can't find one
05:26.11TheMasterMind1jstevens: why tftp?
05:26.17TheMasterMind1there's the netkit ftp server in the oz feeds..
05:26.38jstevensbecause when you work with nortel/cisco hardware, you need tftp
05:26.40jstevens:-)
05:26.48TheMasterMind1http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=372
05:26.53TheMasterMind1i see
05:26.59TheMasterMind1it that a client or a daemon
05:27.20LordDavontftp.  Is that tiny ftp or troll ftp?
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05:27.28jstevensneither
05:27.31hobbstiny
05:27.34hobbstrivial
05:27.34jstevens"trivial ftp"
05:27.43hobbsbut also tiny. >:)
05:27.47jstevensLOL
05:27.58TheMasterMind1its neither a client or a daemon? what is it
05:28.11jstevensit's a server
05:28.13jstevensdaemon
05:28.14TheMasterMind1ok
05:28.17jstevenssorry
05:28.22TheMasterMind1cross compile it then
05:28.23hobbsno, neither tiny nor troll. There are both client and server. :)
05:28.28TheMasterMind1or compile on the skiffs
05:28.58jstevensstarted to, just never complied something that wasn't allready set up for the zaurus
05:29.24jstevensthat and I haven't installed a C compiler yet... but that is changing :-)
05:29.24TheMasterMind1any happen to ever cross compile gcc to create a native compiler for another arch ?
05:30.25LordDavonjstevens:  Take a look and see if the Debian ARM distro has a version.  Most of those work great.
05:31.17LordDavonNeo|Laptop:  You want me to test any of your software on the C700?  You have anywhere to download the demos?
05:31.44jstevensthat's part of my question then I guess... I use Debian religiously. but do dpkg's install on the zaurus?
05:32.09treke|laptopjstevens: Not out of the box
05:32.20hobbsjstevens: Apparently, the brand-new ipkg in OZ speaks the same format as dpkg, but I haven't tried it.
05:32.38treke|laptopOpenZaurus can handle debs, but the zaurus as shipped doesnt
05:32.38jstevenshrrrm
05:32.59TheMasterMind1it can't handle debs perse, the format just happens to be the same
05:33.04hobbsright.
05:33.08TheMasterMind1debs usually include man pages and docs though
05:33.08jstevens:-)
05:33.10treke|laptopTheMasterMind1: actually, it can :)
05:33.11TheMasterMind1stuff not suitable for a pda
05:33.33hobbsI always sort of wondered, though, why ipkg decided to use tar when it could have used ar and had that compatibility. Space reasons?
05:33.51LordDavonbrb
05:34.18treke|laptophobbs: I would guess it was an ease of use thing
05:34.18TheMasterMind1hmm
05:34.20TheMasterMind1that reminds me
05:34.24TheMasterMind1i need to work on ipkg
05:34.27TheMasterMind1but i'm slacking off
05:34.52polei have this sd card and the results from 'df' and 'du /mnt/card/' show different results
05:34.54treke|laptophobbs: Since you could in theory do the installation without extracting the files to the filesystem using tar
05:35.02poledf shows i have 8 megs left
05:35.05treke|laptophobbs: I dont think you can do that with ar
05:35.13poledu shows i'm only using 16 megs on the 64 meg card
05:35.25hobbstreke|laptop: ar has an option to extract to stdout.
05:35.27polei took pictures with this card, and something weird happend, and then i lost those pictures
05:35.33poleanyone?
05:35.42jstevenspole I've had a mmc card do that to me
05:35.45treke|laptophobbs: ah, I looked and didnt see it :p
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05:35.48hobbsar p file.ar data.tar.gz | gzip -dc | tar xf -
05:35.53hobbsI think. :)
05:35.55TheMasterMind1hobbs: mainly, its because busybox didn't have ar
05:35.57polejstevens: were you able to recover the data?
05:35.58jstevensended up formatting the card and it gave me back the whole space
05:35.59TheMasterMind1imho anyway
05:36.05treke|laptopTheMasterMind1: busybox wasnt being used
05:36.08jstevenspole: nope
05:36.17TheMasterMind1treke|laptop: hm, ok then i'm wrong ;0)
05:36.20poledamn
05:36.21treke|laptop:p
05:36.24polei need to recover this data
05:36.43TheMasterMind1treke|laptop: this is still the script version of ipkg you're talking about right?
05:36.49jstevenspole: sorry, not to say that it isn't possible though, I jsut didnt' chase it down too hard as I had allready cpied the pics off
05:36.50TheMasterMind1i know the C version uses libbb
05:37.05poledang
05:37.10TheMasterMind1hmm, which has ar support, so i'm probably wrong alltogether
05:37.11polei didnt have the chance to copy then
05:37.12polethem
05:37.14treke|laptopTheMasterMind1: yeah, the c version is a whole different story
05:37.27jstevenspole: you have Norton DiskDoctor and a Winblows machine?
05:37.32jstevensjust a thought
05:37.34jstevensdunno
05:37.37polenope
05:37.42polei dont even have a card reader
05:37.45treke|laptopTheMasterMind1: who write the old ipkg anyways, jamey?
05:37.47poleall i have is the camera and the Z
05:37.55jstevensIC
05:37.57TheMasterMind1treke|laptop: not sure. probably was
05:39.27poleif anyone has any ideas... please dont feel scared to step up
05:39.35treke|laptopthese are people after all who though gtk and python where a good idea :)
05:39.58TheMasterMind1eh?
05:40.04TheMasterMind1you have something againsn't python and gtk?
05:40.08treke|laptopyes I do
05:40.17TheMasterMind1i see
05:40.23TheMasterMind1i'm not a big fan of qt
05:40.26treke|laptopIt isnt exactly a memory light solution
05:40.36TheMasterMind1heh
05:40.48treke|laptopI dont mind it on my desktop :)
05:40.48TheMasterMind1true
05:40.51pole;,,;
05:40.56treke|laptopand it was rather pleasent to code in
05:41.05TheMasterMind1libqte is 19 megs unstripped
05:41.07TheMasterMind1that makes me sick
05:41.12polein an ideal world... we would be all using something like driectFB and custom widgets
05:41.28treke|laptoppole: so like, qt/e? :p
05:41.42polei personally dont care... qt is fine
05:41.46poleeasy to use
05:41.53polemachines are fast enough
05:42.26hobbsI need to actually get up tomorrow, so, night everyone.
05:42.34jstevens'night
05:42.40treke|laptopTheMasterMind1: back before I switched to qtopia, and long before gpe, just about everything was written in python
05:42.50TheMasterMind1gpe is sexy
05:42.56TheMasterMind1with all the new gnome2 stuff
05:43.01TheMasterMind1gtk2 that is
05:43.04TheMasterMind1its very very nice
05:43.23treke|laptopthere was a module you could load that would run everything in the same python module, but then one app dying would take down everything you were running
05:43.50poletreke|laptop: would that save memory or something? kinda like busybox?
05:43.50TheMasterMind1lol
05:44.05treke|laptoppole: It would save some memory, but not really like busy box
05:44.15poleyeah, ok
05:44.53hobbsbusybox is crazy. Anyone here familiar with herbix?
05:45.13TheMasterMind1no
05:45.26TheMasterMind1hmmf. i wanna cross compile a native compiler!!
05:45.41hobbsTheMasterMind1: google for "canadian cross compile"
05:45.54treke|laptopmatchbox's UI, xstroke, and X's rotation are major pluses for GPE :p
05:45.56hobbsherbix is basically a server-on-a-cd solution.
05:46.09hobbsand it uses busybox extensively. I'm good frends with herbi. >:)
05:47.08TheMasterMind1hobbs: hmm, whats this?
05:47.35hobbshttp://www.cuodan.net/~sina/ (and excuse the sorta-odd english)
05:47.43polegpe (and gnome) never really hit the spot for me
05:47.53poleeverything seems too... fragmented
05:47.57hobbsbut basically it's a webserver/ftp server/irc server/whatever that you can set up, burn, and then carry around with you.
05:48.08treke|laptopmaybe I'll be happy when opie is solid in X
05:48.24TheMasterMind1heh, cool
05:48.26jstevensnice  OZ has a TFTP server... point of that I ask?
05:48.42TheMasterMind1jstevens: it does?
05:48.46treke|laptopjstevens: network maintanance?
05:48.55Neo|LaptopLordDavon: all my demos are available via eongames.com on the respective game pages
05:48.55jstevensI guess so
05:49.01jstevensshit
05:49.02hobbsTheMasterMind1: yeah, I thought so.
05:49.19jstevensthat's not what I meant to say... I meant to type dhcpd server
05:49.28LordDavonNeo|Laptop:  Where can I pirate the full versions....  
05:49.34jstevensI'm looking for the TFTP server
05:49.37LordDavonNeo|Laptop:  Just kidding.
05:49.40LordDavonheh
05:49.55TheMasterMind1jstevens: oz doesn't have a dhcpcd. sharp rom does though
05:50.15treke|laptopsharp uses dhcpcd for assigning an address to the USB cradle
05:50.23jstevenshttp://www.openzaurus.org/official/stable/feed/ will argue w/ ya
05:50.35jstevensthe dhcpd install is listed for ld there
05:50.36hobbstreke|laptop: that seems like it was done just to cater to windows.
05:50.45treke|laptopjstevens: no that is dhcpcd
05:50.47TheMasterMind1jstevens: that's a client, not a dameon
05:50.49treke|laptopjstevens: Different story
05:50.49TheMasterMind1daemon
05:51.03treke|laptopdhcpcd is what you use to get a dhcp lease for your network card
05:51.04jstevenspoint taken
05:51.04hobbstreke|laptop: since it's really pretty backwards if you look at it any other way.
05:51.10TheMasterMind1jstevens: don't contest the oz developers ;0)
05:51.20jstevensmy eyers apparently are bluring on me
05:51.28treke|laptophobbs: I guess
05:51.34TheMasterMind1its named dhcpcd - dhcp client daemon
05:51.46hobbsanyway. going to sleep. :)
05:51.50treke|laptophobbs: makes sense since windows users are more or less all sharp is worried about
05:51.57treke|laptoplinux users will make their own way
05:52.06LordDavonNeo|Laptop:  I will let you know tomorrow how everything runs.
05:52.16hobbstreke|laptop: yeah, I know. But, that's one more reason why OZ doesn't do it.
05:52.27hobbstreke|laptop: most of the people adventurous enough to play with OZ use linux in general. :)
05:52.32treke|laptophehe
05:52.39hobbs(or at least, are smart enough to find the net control panel in windows)
05:52.50jstevensTheMasterMind1: :-) like I said, my bad
05:53.10TheMasterMind1heh, next oz release is going to have a dhcp daemon to provide ip to usb interface
05:53.11TheMasterMind1;0)
05:53.18TheMasterMind1we're using udhcpd now that its in busybox
05:54.07jstevensyeah, no TFTP in OZ...
05:54.29TheMasterMind1jstevens: as we mentioned before, compile it or grab the debian arm package
05:54.44jstevensI just don't know if I'm adventuous to dive straight in and create the ipkg
05:54.48jstevensok, question on that then
05:55.15TheMasterMind1ooh
05:55.18TheMasterMind1http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2002-02/msg00245.html
05:56.22jstevenswhen you ./configure the unziped tar.gz and instal it, doesn't it want to put the files in a pre-determinated location, which doesn't fit the zaurus due to read/write permissions set up in the image?
05:57.25TheMasterMind1wha?
05:57.32TheMasterMind1--prefix ?
05:57.35TheMasterMind1./configure --help
05:59.44jstevenssorry I'm being annoying w/ too many questions
06:00.15TheMasterMind1you can't run ./configure on the zaurus
06:00.22TheMasterMind1the zaurus doesn't have a compiler.. unless you're going ot install one
06:00.27TheMasterMind1i doubt all that source will fit
06:00.34TheMasterMind1you're best of using a cross compiler
06:00.35jstevensyeah, ./configure whines that you don't have a C compiler  :-)
06:00.36TheMasterMind1ibot howto
06:00.38[howto] at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup
06:00.38LordDavonNight everyone
06:01.02treke|laptopor just use an ipaq/skiff out of the ipaq and skiff clusters
06:02.32treke|laptophttp://www.handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html
06:05.16treke|laptopwow. the ipaqs have uptimes in the hundreds :p Lets see wince do that
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06:16.44jstevensquestion on OZ (yes, my search has changed directions) ... has it implemented a security fiz for the factory-image sync securty flaw
06:17.26treke|laptopyes
06:17.40jstevenscool
06:18.14jstevens& the qtopia softare still syncs?
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06:18.25treke|laptopqtopia-desktop does
06:18.28Pietejstevens: last time I tried, yea
06:18.36treke|laptopbut DO NOT TRY SYNCING TODO
06:18.50jstevensqtopia-desktop is what I meant  :-) sorry
06:19.19jstevensI take it that OZ doesn't like TODO ...
06:19.32treke|laptopoz likes todo just fine
06:19.36treke|laptopqtopia desktop doesnt
06:19.37jstevensyou hae me curious as to what happens (no I wont try it to ind out)
06:19.51treke|laptopjstevens: your todo list ends up being totally fucked up
06:19.57treke|laptopaka data loss
06:19.58PieteI use my palm iiic for pda stuff.. I'm just using my zaurus for playing around at the moment
06:20.00jstevensIC
06:21.36jstevenshere's another one... I know Opera on my Zaurus doesn't display javascript... does konqueror/embedded ?
06:22.05Pietejstevens: most javascript stuff 'seems' to work...
06:22.17Pietejstevens: any specific site you want me to try out for you?
06:22.37jstevensk... do Javascript-driven navigational bars work?
06:22.40jstevenssure
06:22.47jstevenswww.dakotasrock.com/~jstevens
06:22.57jstevensnavbar on the left
06:23.02Pieteok, just a sec.
06:24.30Pietehm, all I see is a weather applet
06:24.46jstevensok... then it doesn't support the menu
06:24.49jstevensjsut curious
06:25.11treke|laptopjstevens: sounds like a good reason to make your site accessible to non javascript browsers :)
06:25.20jstevensdoes it display the javascript-marquee on www.dakotasrock.com ?
06:25.41TheMasterMind1heh
06:25.44jstevensyeah, I've ben thinking of that ever since I got the zaurus, just haven't taken the time to re-do it
06:26.15Pietesjwell, I don't see a marquee, but I see a bunch of snowflakes :)
06:26.17jstevensyou now... I think I just need to try OZ on mine.
06:26.36jstevensLOL ... well that part of the Javascript works   :-)
06:26.52Pietehehe
06:27.57Pietedamn, this box needs a reinstall....
06:28.16jstevens:-) ... not the Z I'm asuming?
06:28.24treke|laptopPiete: hehe I know the feeling :)
06:28.40Pietewhen I first installed it, I was just starting out in linux.. so I partitioned it 30gb windows, 10gb linux... now I don't use windows much anymore :)
06:29.00Pieteand my filesystem is a bit of a mess
06:29.12treke|laptopPiete: bah, just convert the windows partition to a linux partion and mount it as /home
06:29.17Pieteyou know.. installing half of freshmeat *from source*
06:29.26treke|laptopoops
06:29.28Pietelol
06:29.34DaWormlol
06:30.40Pieteapart from slackware (what I'm using now), anyone know of a nice, clean distro (not stuff like mandrake)?
06:30.58jstevenspersonally, I think Debian is the best
06:31.06jstevensbut that's just my opinion
06:31.40Pieteyea, I want to try it out.. but I was think more along the lines of source based..
06:32.01Pietegentoo looks nice too
06:32.04treke|laptopnow why would you want that? :p
06:32.15Pietetreke|laptop: why not?
06:32.21treke|laptopsave time?
06:32.32PieteI have enough time :)
06:32.35treke|laptopok
06:32.45treke|laptopcant argue with that
06:33.07Pietetreke|laptop: does apt mess up often?
06:33.17treke|laptopwhat do you mean by mess up?
06:33.22TheMasterMind1i have yet to see apt screw up
06:33.29PieteTheMasterMind1: thanks :)
06:34.04treke|laptopapt really doesnt have all that touch a job to do :p
06:34.13Pieteergh, shit, my whole body is so tense... Not good one week before work :/
06:34.34Pietetreke|laptop:  hehe :)
06:36.16jstevensoooh, nice... need a confirmation... on OZ, in console, when you do an ls, does it do ls --color???
06:37.04TheMasterMind1jstevens: heh, yes
06:37.30jstevenscool, that's one thing I'm missing on my default install that I wish was there
06:38.03TheMasterMind1alias ls='ls --color'
06:38.04TheMasterMind1;0)
06:38.13Pietejstevens: yup, its in purdy color :)
06:38.35Pietejstevens: I usualy just use ssh to access my zaurus when I need to use a shell :)
06:38.52Pietejstevens: a full size keyboard is still better than the builtin one ;)
06:39.03jstevensLOL, I do that when I've got it in it's cradl & I'm @ work
06:39.54PieteTheMasterMind1: so, how does mp3s over the buzzer sound?
06:40.03Piete*chuckles*
06:40.42TheMasterMind1Piete: doesn't at the moment. something broke in both the drivers so i can't test em
06:40.45TheMasterMind1waiting for pnis to fix
06:41.55PieteTheMasterMind1: pnis? *muffles laughter*
06:42.21PieteTheMasterMind1: hehe, it sounds like a neat thing anyway (no pun intended)
06:42.27TheMasterMind1heh
06:42.32TheMasterMind1he chose that nick, not i
06:42.37PieteTheMasterMind1: I know :)
06:43.11poleanyone using the mess emulator on the Z?
06:44.30polehttp://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=762
06:44.42poleanyone know if the gameboy and snes emulators work?
06:45.00Pietenope, but I tried the gameboy emulator... it works suprisingly well :) it was quite a change from using liberty on my 33Mhz dragonball Palm :)
06:46.11poleyeah
06:46.24polei modified gnuboy's code so i dont need to extend the keyboard to play
06:46.34polereal nice
06:46.49polejust that the screen doesnt go full screen and the sound sucks
06:47.43Pieteja
06:47.48Pietes/ja/ya
06:48.44polewant my version?
06:49.15polekeys are mapped to the other buttons near the directional keys
06:50.52Pietepole: sure,, can I download it somewhere?
06:51.37poleum
06:51.45polelet me move it to somewhere you can get it
06:53.01Pietethanks )
06:53.02Piete:)
06:56.10poledoih
06:56.15polei wrote like 10 lines in the wrong channel
06:56.24polehttp://ha5h.net/files/qtopiagnuboy_1.0.3-qtopia3-1_arm.ipk
06:56.46poleplease forgive this flood
06:57.00pole<pole> a == the left most button
06:57.00pole<pole> b == second left button
06:57.00pole<pole> the 3rd button doesnt do anything
06:57.00pole<pole> 4th button (from the left) exits
06:57.00pole<pole> cancel doesnt do anything
06:57.01pole<pole> the center button is start
06:57.03pole<pole> OK is select
06:57.05pole<pole> i coudldnt put 'a' and 'b' on the right cus the 3rd button acts funny
06:57.07pole<pole> couldnt figure out what was wrong with it
06:57.10pole<pole> wouldnt respond to anything
06:57.11pole<pole> maybe the event doesnt propagate from the main qpe process
06:57.46Pietehahaha :)
06:57.50Pietethanks
07:00.14poleso you have to use the left hand for the buttons, right hand for arrows
07:01.03Pietepole: thanks dude!
07:01.33poleyup
07:01.47polejust wish i could figure out how to get it to fill the screen up more
07:01.54poledamn thing sucks up so much battery
07:03.05poleSDL is cool
07:05.23polemess should play gameboy games
07:09.26PieteI'm out ;
07:09.28Piete:)
07:09.37PieteI gotta get some rest for work ;)
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08:17.38DaWormkolla hey
08:17.49kendrickgreetings
08:17.59Neo|Laptophey
08:18.04kendrickhey neo
08:18.11DaWormlo kendrick, Neo
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08:18.29kollare :)
08:18.35DaWormhave u followed the white rabbit Neo? hehehe
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08:20.14DaWormok going back to my laptop..so hard chatting on a z
08:21.23Neo|LaptopI have followed the white kitty
08:22.34kendrickhappy 20th, internet
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09:17.59MSpinany kismet_qt users around?
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09:31.51parahello
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09:32.14paraanyone here?
09:32.23johaBBayes.
09:32.29kendrickno
09:32.30kendrick:)
09:32.40johaBBahrm...i think hendrick's right.
09:32.49johaBBaer, kendrick.
09:33.00parais there a command list for opieirc, or a better IRC client for my Zaurus?
09:33.06Neo|Laptopor in the very least won't be in a short amount of time
09:33.47paracant /nick or figure out how to join keyed channels
09:34.32johaBBahrm. can you load plugins in xmms-e
09:34.43johaBBatupac needs a little bit mo' bass...
09:36.47paraanyone, anyone
09:36.53parabueller, bueller
09:37.52kendricki use ZIC
09:37.58kendrickhas a new ver come out in the last frickin' year? :)
09:38.41kendricknite all!
09:39.15parathanks
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11:34.39George-hi
11:38.32Twiunyo
11:39.08markhi George-, Twiun
11:39.20Twiunhey mark
11:43.22George-mark: yo
11:43.27George-mark: it's off to redownload everything I go..
11:43.36George-mark: fsck deleted my backups :(
11:46.48markGeorge-: darn
11:47.15George-mark: yeh, that means I have to reinstall Gentoo and everything in full, which I really didn't want to do
11:47.31George-mark: do you have HancomMobileOffice?
11:53.00markGeorge-: no
11:53.18George-mark: anywhere..?
11:53.21markno
11:53.26George-GRR
11:53.50George-ibot toolchain?
11:53.50it has been said that toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains, or http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/
11:54.18George-ibot toolchain is also at http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jeffm/pub/cross/arm-linux/ppc/ which can be modified to work with Zaurus cross development
11:54.18George-: okay
11:54.21George-ibot toolchain?
11:54.22i guess toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains, or http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or at http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jeffm/pub/cross/arm-linux/ppc/ which can be modified to work with Zaurus cross development
11:54.29George-ibot thanks
11:54.29George-: sure thing
11:54.37George-ibot hancom?
11:54.38try zsi hancom, or http://www.zaurus.com/dev/hancom/files/Sl-5000d.zip
11:54.59George-LOL
11:55.03George-ibot rocks
11:55.04you bet your perl modules I do!
11:55.08George-:)
11:55.18George-lol
11:55.39George-mark: you were drunk on new years eve ;)
11:55.43George-mark: happy new year btw =P
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12:29.58markGeorge-: so?
12:30.53mark:)
12:31.23George-mark: you said you weren't drunk.. ;)
12:31.40markibot: jeode
12:31.41i heard jeode is a Java Virtual Machine implementation for embedded devices, http://www.insignia.com - please do NOT distribute ipks created with jeodecreator.
12:31.43markGeorge-: i wasnt really
12:32.00George-mark: yeh you were dammit :)
12:32.04George-mark: don't lie! :)
12:32.15markgrr, why wont jeodecreator work
12:34.50markibot: jeodecreator
12:34.50jeodecreator is, like, at http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeodcreator_1.4_arm.ipk
12:35.03George-cuz you're mark?
12:36.34marknaff off
12:36.38markI *need* this to work :)
12:36.57George-heh, that was almost as helpful as you were last night when I nuked averything =P
12:37.04George-I *needed* that to work
12:37.15markyouve lost nothing
12:49.11George-mark: wtf?
12:49.16George-mark: I've lost 5 days of time
12:51.21markGeorge-: big deal
12:51.39George-mark: fuck off
12:52.26kollawhat's up? have you guys been using your zauruses for "serious work" now? :)
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12:56.24Twiunkolla: serious work?
12:59.03markright jeode creator has completely frozen my Z
13:00.31kollaTwiun: <George-> I *needed* that to work
13:01.47George-kolla: that had nothing to do with a Z
13:01.59kollaoh
13:04.44George-woo
13:07.06markGeorge-: fixed/
13:15.59George-mark: ?
13:17.23markhave you fixed it?
13:18.31George-fixed what?
13:18.44George-How can I fix a partition that fsck erased all the inodes on
13:19.07markwhy did fsck sddo that?
13:19.39George-mark: Do you think I know?
13:19.56markdid it tell you it was doing something dangerous?
13:21.01George-no
13:22.03George-just forget about it
13:22.49mark:)
13:22.53markso what important have you lost?
13:23.02George-Everything
13:23.08George-Everything I ever had.. I've lost
13:23.08markwhat?
13:23.09George-OK?
13:23.14George-EVERYTHING GOD DAMMIT
13:23.17markwhat was important?
13:23.21markand why with apple wipe the drive?
13:23.28George-ALl my Zaurus stuff, all my PsiLinux stuff, all my KDE stuff
13:23.34George-the lot.. It's all gone
13:23.42marknothing important there then :P
13:23.51George-shut uip
13:23.54George-*up
13:24.18marki'm only trying to help
13:24.33George-no ur not
13:24.36Twiunmark: he must've forgotten about the tape backups in the firesafe...
13:24.38George-or at least, you aren't being helpful
13:24.56George-Twiun: bah, I don't HAVE tape backup
13:25.18TwiunGeorge-: same here... I use an offline HD
13:25.24markGeorge-: seriously, you've lost next to nothing that was really important.  your KDE/Zaurus sources have been uploaded to the net..
13:25.45markGeorge-: and why will apple wipe the drive to fix the screen?
13:26.06George-mark: I WIPED THE GOD DAMN DRIVE
13:26.12markah
13:26.34markGeorge-: if you didn't if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda1 it should still be there no?
13:26.42George-I didn't want them to see that Linux had been on it, so they could claim that my LCD probs were with X11
13:26.50George-mark: I did a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
13:26.55George-=P
13:27.01George-mark: I always do that to wipe a drive
13:27.05markfool
13:27.12markone backup on a mounted drive...
13:27.19George-shut up
13:27.30George-yes..yes... yes
13:27.30George-NOW CUT IT
13:27.50George-and KLatin sources have been b0rked by Annma, so I don't have the older version any more
13:27.55George-(which IMHO, was better)
13:28.04markGeorge-: erm, could they get any more b0rked? :P
13:28.05George-only Annma's version, which I severely dislike
13:28.24markTwiun: he's prolly forgotten about the copy of the tar that he scp'ed across to another comp too
13:28.31George-mark: yes
13:28.40George-mark: the source was OK, it's just that I never got it finished
13:28.51George-SHUT UP
13:29.36George-I've lost half my MP3s.. he
13:29.39George-heh
13:29.50George-j/k
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13:36.20[George]mark: ur an ass
13:36.58mark[George]: and old copies of klatin are in kde cvs no/
13:37.35[George]bleh
13:37.43[George]I don't know how to use CVS
13:37.52[George]apart from cvs co <blah>
13:38.13mark[George]: you can specify to get the code from 2 years ago
13:38.42[George]bog off
13:38.56[George]the KDE CVS server must have gigs upon gigs of CVS code then
13:40.04Twiunnah... cvs stores diffs between versions afaik
13:42.06[George]oh
13:48.39[George]http://www.com-www.com/weirdal/itsallaboutthepentiums.html+
13:48.40[George]http://www.com-www.com/weirdal/itsallaboutthepentiums.html
13:48.42[George]rofl ;)
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13:51.59[George]mark: ur gay
13:54.18mark[George]: go away
13:56.30[George]mark: no
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13:56.40[George]hey benmeyer
13:56.49benmeyerWow, gone for almost 2 weeks and I have less e-mail then the first day
13:57.33markhi benmeyer
13:57.42benmeyerhi everyone
13:58.13Twiunhey ben
13:58.33Twiunwhat's cookin'?
13:59.00benmeyernot much, going to go through things I missed while on vac and sick
13:59.12benmeyergreat thing about irc is you can't tell my voice is gone :-D
13:59.41Twiunibot: seen Cloudchaser
13:59.42cloudchaser is currently on #zaurus (22h 43m 55s) #openzaurus (22h 43m 55s).  Has said a total of 10 messages.  Is idling for 10h 2m 22s
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14:17.05George-mark: slob
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14:24.12benmeyercan anyone visit this page: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~mordor/
14:24.21George-MORDOR..
14:24.26George-I'm not going there!
14:24.39benmeyerfrom the opie mailinglist
14:24.55bipolarbenmeyer: I see it
14:25.07benmeyerno acess denied
14:25.08benmeyer?
14:25.15bipolarbenmeyer: nope
14:25.30benmeyercrap I have to get someone to call IT for me then
14:25.31bipolarbenmeyer: There are several links here.
14:25.34kollaI get no access denied
14:26.00bipolarbenmeyer: .htaccess not working?
14:26.26benmeyerno clue, isn't my site
14:26.33benmeyerjust can't access it from Sharp
14:26.40bipolarbenmeyer: hmm... oh.. you are getting an access denied?
14:26.44benmeyeryup
14:26.49benmeyerAccess to the requested URL has been denied by SuperScout
14:26.53bipolarbenmeyer: strange
14:27.01kollasuperscout?
14:27.06bipolarbenmeyer: sounds like a shitty filter
14:27.57bipolarbenmeyer: trying to get opie RPNCalc?
14:27.58kollabenmeyer: but.. do you grasp kroation? :)
14:28.06benmeyerhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,2823,00.asp
14:28.08kollakroaian
14:28.11kollabah
14:28.17kollaserbo-kroatian
14:28.22benmeyeryah I want to look at the RPMCalc to see what it is
14:28.29benmeyerkroation?
14:28.59bipolarbenmeyer: RP*N*Calc... sounds like Reverse Polish Notation calculatior
14:29.44George-I LOVE RPN! :)
14:29.57benmeyeryah, I see no reason why it shoudl be blocked
14:30.16George-benmeyer: perhaps it has the word "hack" in it? :)
14:30.19kollatop secret, no access of evil are allowed
14:30.46George-perhaps it's blocking Windoze users? :)
14:31.16benmeyertime for google cache!
14:31.18kollabenmeyer: want me to dcc it to you?
14:32.08benmeyerthanks
14:32.11benmeyeryah google!
14:32.13kollano prob
14:33.26benmeyerI want a scrolling calc
14:41.54kollabenmeyer: that's funny, I want a scrolling pinball game :)
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14:49.31George-I want a scrolling scroll bar
14:49.56benmeyerlike on the higherend ti calcs and the hp calc, how you can see the last few operations that you have made
14:50.30George-benmeyer: Get the HP48 emulator, and port it to Qt then ;)
14:50.44George-I like the HP48 a lot
14:52.05benmeyerhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27970&item=1947613027
14:52.06benmeyerhaha
14:52.19benmeyerwell I don't want an emulator sense it requires that you have the rom
14:52.48benmeyerglad to know our shipping date from a e-bay dealer
14:53.11benmeyeroh, what do people think of the new icons?
14:53.22George-benmeyer: the HP48 rom is free
14:53.32George-benmeyer: HP released it for nothing, heh
14:53.35benmeyeroh?
14:53.41benmeyerfree free?
14:53.52George-Well, free as in free beer
14:53.56benmeyerbsd free?
14:53.58George-not opensource afaik
14:54.00George-I don't know
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14:55.34George-I wish my friend would stop emailing me his new updated NES emulator, which is a DOS app, when he knows I run on Linux
14:55.36George-GRR
14:56.21kollatell him to mail you bochs as well
14:56.38benmeyerhttp://freshmeat.net/projects/hp48cc/
14:56.40benmeyerwow
14:56.46benmeyerThat is cool
14:57.04kolladuh
14:57.17George-kolla: I seriuosly have better things to do
14:57.33kollaGeorge-: well, there's always /dev/null :)
14:57.34George-kolla: if I really wanted to install DOS on Linux, I have three different licenses of VMWare I can use ;)
14:57.50benmeyerwait is rpn a basic type language or an asm type lanaguage?
14:57.52kollaprocmail and /dev/null is a nice combo
14:58.14George-benmeyer: RPN is not a language, it's an input method (afaict)
14:58.21benmeyeroh, nm
14:58.31kollabenmeyer: it's a notation method
14:58.37George-benmeyer: it's where instead of hitting "1+1=" you hit "1 ENTER 1 +"
14:58.41kolla1 2 3 4 + * / -
14:58.44George-benmeyer: the operator always goes last
14:59.10kollathat's one operator too many on my part
14:59.49benmeyerah, I thought it was like the TI-calc which have two programing lanaguages.  Havning a c->tiasm converter would be pretty nice
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15:01.49George-I really want a HP48 emu on the Z.. ;)
15:01.56smee|hhappy new year etc etc
15:02.04George-smee|h: Happy old year! :)
15:02.27smee|hand a merry 1983
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15:03.31benmeyermy cable box stopped giving out power at midnight
15:03.42benmeyerhad the tivo plugged into it
15:03.59benmeyerhad to turn it off and on, very odd
15:04.58George-why is there so much hype about this tivo thing? =)
15:05.20smee|hnot sure but santa didnt give me one :(
15:05.27George-heh
15:05.32lsmithoverhere we got paytv boxes you can throw linux on
15:05.37George-can the tivo make coffee?
15:05.46lsmithwhich lets you redirect the mpeg2 stream to whereever you want
15:06.06lsmithand then it can also double up as a router :-)
15:06.10benmeyertivo allows me to watch tv
15:06.29benmeyerI am a tv junky, I will watch junk like seventh heven if it is on simply because it is on
15:06.37benmeyerand if there is a marathon I am screwed
15:06.52George-?
15:07.01smee|hthere are some nice tivo hacks
15:07.22benmeyerwith tivo at the end of the show (a show that I preselected that that I wanted to watch such as nova) it will bring me back to the main menu and I can make the decition to turn off the tv
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15:08.33George-would the tivo work in the UK
15:08.34George-?
15:08.49benmeyerUK is pal right?
15:09.03benmeyerand not ntsc
15:09.10smee|hright
15:10.53benmeyercheck your local electronics store
15:11.14George-mark: SLOB!
15:11.52smee|hTiVos work in the UK just fine
15:12.34George-w00t? 249 USD
15:13.07George-ibot tivo
15:13.08hmm... tivo is a personal video recorder. It rules insanely, and it's homepage is at http://www.tivo.com/ or a PowerPC-based Linux machine
15:13.22George-uhh. YAY POWERPC! :)
15:15.13benmeyereh, I don't really care what is under the hood, simply that it workes very well and has a very clean interface
15:15.38George-hrmm
15:15.46George-What does it encode the video as?
15:15.54George-MPEG4?
15:15.59George-DivX?
15:16.17George-It'd be interesting to see if I can rip the s/w off the TiVo, and run it on my Tibook ;)
15:18.32George-ljp: ping
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15:28.09SirPsycho-workanyone here use bluetooth on at&t wireless phone to connect your Z to the net?
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15:29.56Pieteheya jstevens :)
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16:03.25Cloudchaserhiya everyone
16:03.31benmeyerhi
16:03.45Cloudchaserhappy new year ben ;)
16:03.56benmeyerto you too
16:04.06markhi Cloudchaser
16:04.19Cloudchaserhi mark ;)
16:04.43benmeyerben's tip of the day: Have your root password have explicitves or swears so you will be more aware of when you say/show it
16:06.35markbenmeyer: hehe
16:07.13benmeyeror equations are also good ones
16:07.19benmeyer7x7=422
16:07.21benmeyeretc
16:07.41benmeyereasy to remember and they use number letter combos
16:08.22Pieteheya Cloudy :)
16:08.39Cloudchaserhiya Piete
16:09.30Pietebenmeyer: mine is quite unpronounceable ;) its a mix of random numbers, mixed case letters, and other symboks
16:09.33Pietesymbols even
16:10.50benmeyerPiete, but do you do that for all of your passwords?
16:10.59benmeyerI have literally 40 or 50 passwords
16:11.07benmeyerThey can't all be random
16:11.17benmeyersimi-random is the best I do
16:11.47Pietebenmeyer: well, I only have one root user :P
16:11.56benmeyerwhat about your local user?
16:11.57Pietebenmeyer: the other stuff isnt that important
16:12.01benmeyer?
16:12.12benmeyergaining access to a machine is half of the battle
16:12.12Pietebenmeyer: it has a random password as well
16:12.24benmeyerwhat about website logins?
16:12.53benmeyerslashdot?  freshmeat? sourceforge? your pgp key? cvs? ssh?
16:12.56George-My password is 14 alphanumeric characters
16:13.02George-heh
16:13.03Pietebenmeyer: they aren't random, but they are words, and numbers
16:13.10Pieteand they don't have anything related to me ;)
16:13.29Pietemy password is hfdjshfj23h4kj23h5kj42h5jkl4g52h3j6g5hjGhjg^%^tghjg^%^yghj
16:13.30benmeyerpaypal, ebay, work login, e-mail, isp, wireless router, printer,
16:13.35George-I wrote a simple OPL program to hammer my passwd into my head ;)
16:13.43George-Piete: liar! :)
16:13.44PieteGeorge-: lol
16:14.06PieteGeorge-: no, try it out.. type it in 3 times at the FBI-HQ login
16:14.19George-Piete: no
16:14.24Pietelol
16:14.31George-Piete: They'll prolly log my IP address and shoot me :
16:14.36George-:)
16:14.48Pietethats the idea :P
16:14.56Pieteok, I've read too much BOFH
16:14.58Pieteforgive me
16:14.59benmeyervoice mail, amazon.com, web host, domain host, etc
16:15.05George-bastard! =)
16:15.07Pietebenmeyer: I get the picture :P
16:15.10benmeyerhehe
16:15.18George-Piete is an evil korean bastard! :)
16:15.27George-well.. South African
16:15.32George-lol
16:15.41George-WHATEVER THE HELL HE IS.. He's a BASTARD! :)
16:15.56Pietehehe
16:16.04benmeyerIM, online banking
16:16.06benmeyerhehe
16:16.26benmeyerme looks to get a password storing application
16:16.41Pieteany good ones for the zaurus?
16:16.58George-Yeh
16:17.02George-I think
16:17.05George-I dunno
16:17.05George-I'm stupid
16:17.19benmeyerthere are a few
16:17.38George-one is on the best selling list
16:17.50benmeyerThey are good apps :-D
16:18.17George-er.. one USED to be on the best selling list
16:18.28George-Aha.. SafeDee
16:18.32George-That's it
16:18.45Pieteyea.. I saw it once :)
16:18.50Pietethanks for reminding me :)
16:19.11George-benmeyer: my html editor has sold 2 copies :)
16:19.18benmeyerofftopic: http://americandreamcomics.com/index.php?itemid=876 (Just when I had aquired the japanize import)
16:19.24benmeyerGeorge-: woho
16:19.37George-benmeyer: at $4.99 each, hahaha
16:19.59George-My world domination plan is almost finished
16:20.14George-To sell to the world.. an HTML editor..  and TAKE OVER THE UNIVERSE!
16:20.39markGeorge-: well done
16:21.13benmeyerman I wish I had thought of that first
16:21.28George-mark: tace
16:21.30benmeyerwell vs how much time you put into it what was your hourly rate?
16:21.45George-?
16:22.29benmeyerat $10 profit, 100hours spent on it = 10 cents a hour
16:22.47George-yeh, well I got a Z outa it :)
16:22.50benmeyerexculding the fact that you got a z
16:23.04benmeyerwhich is the real reason
16:23.16George-lol
16:23.20George-stop depressing me :)
16:24.17benmeyerwhat is a good rdate server?
16:24.22benmeyerI mean time server?
16:24.40mark127.0.0.1
16:24.54markgreat for warez too
16:24.57benmeyerhaha
16:26.20Pietemark: lol
16:26.59markbenmeyer: the new Z's seem to be selling well in japan, i've suddenly had a lot more sales from there
16:27.08markwell not a lot, but a noticable increase
16:28.14Pietehttp://adsnew.userfriendly.org/cgi-bin/advertpro/banners.pl?region=5&keyword=NULL
16:28.21Pietecheck that one out :P
16:29.09Pietedamnit
16:29.10Pietesorry
16:29.12Pietebad link
16:29.24Pietehttp://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010523
16:29.29Pietethere you go :P
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16:40.41Pietenite :)
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16:44.05kergothmorning
16:49.39Twiunhiya kergoth
16:49.49hardwireYawnish
16:49.57kergothhey hardwire, Twiun
16:50.26Cloudchaser'mornin  :)
16:50.46hardwirethis house barely fits 3 people..
16:50.52hardwirewe have a total of 7 in it
16:50.54hardwire:(
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16:51.51George-yo kergoth
16:52.22George-hardwire: oh my GOD, what are you doing to that POOR PUPPY???
16:52.33hardwirehe is helping me read a book
16:52.43George-lol
16:53.12CloudchaserTwiun: were you looking for me earlier?
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17:21.16George-ugh
17:21.20George-Too..much..solder..
17:21.20George-lol
17:21.24George-I'm choking ;)
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17:43.18hardwireGeorge-: don't solder your throat
17:48.12Twiunhardwire: too right... that iron is meant for piercings
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17:49.50hardwiresexy kittty
17:50.33mandrakehttp://www.petsorfood.com
17:51.39[George]hardwire: why would I solder my throat? :)
17:52.02benmeyerfounded by a member of mensa
17:52.05benmeyerwhat junk
17:52.14hardwire<George-> I'm choking ;)
17:52.28[George]<[George]> hardwire: why would I solder my throat? :)
17:53.14[George]ok I've had enough of soldering
17:53.24[George]I'm not gonna solder in 134 LEDs now ;)
17:54.08ZzzGogosoldering is fun...
17:55.25[George]ZzzGogo: choking is not
17:56.59ZzzGogo[George] u're rite...
17:57.35George-Of COURSE I'm right
17:57.42George-;-)
17:57.49treke|ho1eno you arent
17:58.02treke|ho1eyou choking is lots of fun
17:58.11George-treke|ho1e: heh, whatever ;)
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18:04.02TheMasterMind1i agree
18:06.05George-hoi!
18:06.16George-Stop declaring war against a poor defenseless 14 year old kid
18:06.21George-you bastards! :)
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18:08.53penguinxr2hello
18:08.59George-hi
18:09.14George-tell treke|ho1e that he's a bastard, for me :)
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18:18.58benmeyeryah!  I finished reading my e-mail from christmas!
18:19.23sjohnsonbenmeyer: Luck you. I still have 552 left.
18:19.27benmeyerbummer
18:20.36George-benmeyer: lol
18:20.48George-sjohnson: rm -rf ~/Mail :)
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18:26.09tux_mikehey warmi
18:26.10warmihi
18:26.54Cloudchaserhiya warmi
18:28.08George-hi warmi
18:29.22warmiso quiet ..  people still suffering from hangover ?
18:30.16tux_mikenot hungover, just tired.
18:30.29tux_mikeup til 3 last night
18:30.50warmiwhy ?
18:30.52warmiplaying games ?
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18:31.04tux_miketalking with a friend
18:31.14warmiah
18:32.01tux_mikei was up til 6 the other nigt talking to the same friend :)
18:32.28TheMasterMind1a female friend?
18:32.34tux_mikeno
18:32.40warmiwhere is he/she ? in Europe ?
18:32.40TheMasterMind1ok
18:32.43warmiheh
18:33.05tux_mikeno, he goes to college, so i don't see him very often
18:33.36warmiah ok
18:34.06tux_mikeand he's one of my best friends, all of which i can just talk to on end for a very long time
18:36.08George-tux_mike: you have a friend? wow. more than me!
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18:37.24tux_mike~lart George-
18:37.35tux_mikethank you ibot
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18:43.44tux_mikewarmi:  how was your new year's celebration
18:44.49rodapopit was good you
18:45.01rodapopi ate a falaffel
18:45.55George-erm.. I was insulting myself..
18:46.15rodapopyiyi?
18:49.02warmitux_mike: got sick on dec 31 :-)
18:49.12warmiso I stayed home drinking tea and playing games , watchin tv etc
18:49.50tux_mikenot too bad, you got to stay home with your family.  did you have anything else planned?
18:50.21warmiyeah, that's the thing - I had nothing else planned  ...
18:50.44warmiso the only difference was that I was sitting home sick instead of just "sitting home"
18:50.45warmiheh
18:50.57tux_mikehonestly, i'm startting to look forwards  to quieter holidays
18:51.11tux_mikespend it with my good friends and imediate family.
18:51.20warmifor me it all depends on my mood on that day :-)
18:51.50tux_mikeheh.  one thing i'm really getting sick of is my extended family
18:51.56tux_mikethey drive me batty
18:52.18rodapopkill them mike, just kill them
18:52.55warmiwell, they always do - but the idea is to see them at most 2-3 times a year
18:52.57warmiheh
18:53.25rodapopmike, are you the tux_mike of "Mike Tuxford" fame?
18:53.51tux_mikeno
18:54.31rodapopoh.
18:56.35rodapopIn case you're wondering if I'm certified, I was awarded a posthumous Doctorate of Physics by Haavaahd (snobish Bostonian accent goes here) ... something about brainwaves and jello was mentioned
18:59.37George-tux_mike: extended family?
19:00.06tux_mikeaunts, uncles, grandparents, etc
19:00.35George-oh
19:00.41George-lol
19:01.29tux_mikewarmi: looks like what i've been trying to hack isn't in the kernel at all, its in glibc.  
19:01.54tux_mikeand that's gonna be a huge pita, the way they set it up.  i'm going about hacking rpm next
19:02.00warmicompiler version ?
19:02.12tux_mikeno, proper cpu type
19:02.15warmiah
19:02.19warmireally ?
19:02.25warmiI thought it would belong in the kernel
19:02.27tux_mikeyah
19:02.36tux_mikei'd think so either
19:02.41tux_mikes/either/too
19:02.47benmeyerhttp://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=1C3DB5CF122532C94X92CEBE941A14A7&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=50773&sectionId=0&catalog=80
19:03.12benmeyerpuke, why god can't a single java developer leave the theme alone?
19:03.43kergothbenmeyer: eek
19:03.43kergothheh
19:03.44warmiheh
19:03.45benmeyerhttp://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=1C3DB5CF122532C94X92CEBE941A14A7&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=30178&sectionId=0&catalog=80
19:03.47George-benmeyer: ?
19:03.51benmeyerMoving to the very next one!
19:03.57tux_mikepuke, why can't a single developer leave java alone
19:04.05nodarofl
19:04.19warmigreen+ light blue
19:04.19George-lol
19:04.29George-now.. to load this site.. bleh
19:04.32George-I'M LAGGED! :)
19:04.34benmeyerGeorge-: Java developers have a really stupid habit of having to force users to use custom colors/themes that (most of the time) clash and don't fit with the rest of the system
19:04.45tux_mikeyah.  we've got Angry fruit salad
19:04.54tux_mikebenmeyer: you've somehow got to stop the mad themeing
19:04.58George-benmeyer: out
19:04.58George-benmeyer: ouch
19:05.07George-benmeyer: that's.. evil
19:05.16tux_mikein the early days of MS, they saw this, and it's a very bad thing
19:05.26Twiunbenmeyer: Thanks for putting us all in the bunch
19:05.32Twiunbenmeyer: I hate generalisations
19:05.43tux_miketoo many of the retarded programmers will want to change the colors
19:05.50tux_miketo unberable ones
19:05.57George-Generalisations, are, in general, evil
19:06.04nodaInstead of fixing your program to work with the theme, they fix the theme to work with the program.
19:06.26benmeyer<PROTECTED>
19:06.45rodapopjava is so good, totally portable
19:06.48tux_mikenoda: or use their lack of taste to make color themes that work well only in their own fucked up minds
19:06.56George-JAVA IS EVIL!
19:06.57TheMasterMind1anyone here good with qt gui programming stuff and have time to do some simple stuff?
19:07.01George-Let's have a flamewar!
19:07.01nodaHeh
19:07.08TheMasterMind1lets all go to #java
19:07.09kergothTheMasterMind1: whatcha workin on?
19:07.12TheMasterMind1kergoth: zremote
19:07.17kergothTheMasterMind1: figured
19:07.18kergoth:)
19:07.18nodaI'd rather finish this credits page so people can send me money :)
19:07.23TheMasterMind1lol
19:07.30kergothnoda: yes!
19:07.31George-OK! Everybody into #Java! We're gonna have a flamewar dammit! :)
19:07.32TheMasterMind1my friend got some money
19:07.33kergothdonations are good
19:07.34kergothehh
19:07.41TheMasterMind1he wrote the new zSync thing
19:08.59benmeyerhey why was I the only one who went to #java?
19:09.04nodarofl
19:09.05TheMasterMind1lol
19:09.07kergothhah
19:09.29George-OK, I'm in #Java
19:09.33George-I'm gonna start flaming ;)
19:09.37George-lol
19:09.40kergothGeorge-: go do something productive
19:09.42benmeyerhaha
19:09.43kergothGeorge-: slacker
19:09.46tux_mikeidiot
19:09.50benmeyerbla I really should right last months report...
19:10.05George-<George-> appparently there's a java vs c++ war going on in here? :)
19:10.09George-hehe
19:10.13George-OK, I'm gonna shut up ;)
19:10.16George-kergoth: SLACKER!
19:10.42kergothGeorge-: hey I'm hacking on the suspend/resume issue in 2.4.19 w/ teh z
19:10.51kergothGeorge-: cant figure out wtf is going on
19:10.57Twiunhands of Java and hands off my kernel hackers ;-)
19:11.14George-kergoth: hehe
19:11.14George-kergoth: I'm no kernel expert
19:11.35TheMasterMind1yea, you're just a slacker
19:11.38George-Twiun: bastard ;)
19:11.53kergothI just copied and pasted the suspend/resume locomo bits from 2.4.6 into my pm.c in 2.4.19.. no luck
19:11.55George-someone! Port Linux to Java!
19:12.06TheMasterMind1kergoth: damn
19:12.12George-And own the WORLD! Run it on every air conditioner! On every table! LINUX WORLD DOMINATION!
19:12.13kergothfollowed the mcp/ucb resume sequence, appears to do nearly exactly what the ucb1200_resume function did in 2.4.6
19:12.26kergothand yet I still get timeouts talking to it once we resume
19:12.33rodapopcan you dot that?
19:12.38benmeyerhehe that would be amusing, the kernel in a vp
19:12.39rodapoplinux on java?
19:12.43rodapoppossible?
19:12.54kergothin fact, its exactly the behavior i get if i init everything but forget to reset the tc35143af
19:12.55TheMasterMind1um?
19:12.56benmeyerhmm, actually probably sense you can run linux in linux
19:12.58kergothbut I _did_ reset it
19:13.04TheMasterMind1kergoth: reset it again
19:13.07kergothjeje
19:13.08kergothhehe
19:13.09George-oh dear.. Apple's not gonna make any more 17" iMacs ;(
19:13.25kergothTheMasterMind1: you know the bug you saw wiht sound? the mcp timeouts?
19:13.30TheMasterMind1yea
19:13.30George-Twiun: oh shut up ;)
19:13.32kergothTheMasterMind1: thats what happens when you dont reset it
19:13.39kergothTheMasterMind1: I had the reset code in the wrong place
19:13.39TheMasterMind1so reset it!
19:13.41kergothTheMasterMind1: :)
19:13.43TheMasterMind1heh
19:13.47Twiunhahaha
19:13.47kergothTheMasterMind1: and thats what i see on resumje
19:13.54kergothgrr
19:13.59TheMasterMind1you sure its in the right place?
19:14.07TheMasterMind1printk when it runs that code etc
19:14.15kergothTheMasterMind1: I have so many printks..
19:14.21kergothTheMasterMind1: I have a lot of code that really _should_ be pushed into bk
19:14.24TheMasterMind1George-: you any good at gui programming?
19:14.27TheMasterMind1kergoth: heh
19:14.27kergothTheMasterMind1: but its all mixed with debug shit that _shouldnt_
19:14.30kergothTheMasterMind1: heh
19:15.04rodapopi will gui for you
19:15.16Twiunyou mean you can tag lines as not eligible for a commit?
19:15.23Twiunerm... s/can/can't/
19:15.31TheMasterMind1rodapop: oh? sweet
19:15.44kergothI'm sure i can, but I'm lazy. i'd rather just get this owrking and push the whole damn thing
19:16.52rodapopTheMasterMind1 why you want done in gui form
19:16.58TheMasterMind1rodapop: www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/zremote/ is the existing code. right now it creates a listbox with choices, i want it instead to create a 2 column, as many rows as needed table of buttons
19:17.21George-TheMasterMind1: no
19:17.25George-TheMasterMind1: why? :P
19:17.36TheMasterMind1George-: what DO you do?
19:17.48George-TheMasterMind1: sit around annoying people all day?
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19:18.53warmihehe
19:19.11warmiwell. cut him some slack .. he is after all 14
19:19.23George-Twiun: so do I, that's why I do it
19:20.07George-WTF have I done now?!?!?!
19:20.11George-bbiab - dinner
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19:24.52tux_mikesheesh.  i've been playing way too much GBA
19:25.04tux_mikeit hasn't been a week and my batteries are dying
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19:26.32Dilbhi
19:26.38benmeyeranyone know where zgcc is hosted now?
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19:45.20George-Back
19:45.29George-(if I hear "oh no"... ) :)
19:48.08George-I can't believe.. the 17" iWhack is Dead... DEAD!!!
19:49.16rodapopgeorge cry on my choulder
19:49.44George-~lart rodapop
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19:52.54rodapop~lart george-
19:53.01rodapophaha suka
19:53.34George-~insult rodapop
19:53.59rodapopMERP POP!
19:54.01Twiun~lart George-
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19:55.34George-Twiun: java sucks
19:56.50TwiunGeorge- sucks...
19:57.01Twiunlet's not get too mouthy ;-)
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19:58.01George-lol
19:58.04George-whatever =)
20:01.03George-if you don't mind, i'm trying to play SOnic2
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20:07.46alphabluedamn openzaurus.org website serves very slowly
20:08.07rodapopcoz it runs on my pocket zaurus (its in my pocket)
20:08.25alphabluestop moving around then.. the wlan keeps dropping it
20:09.03Twiunlol
20:09.15nodaYes, it's going slowly right now
20:09.16TwiunI have no speed problems with the oz website
20:09.25nodaTwiun: At this particular point in time? Really?
20:10.06Twiunok, ok ;-)
20:10.09Twiuna little sluggish
20:10.21alphablueall cuz i'm d/ling 3.1
20:10.27nodaIt takes all day to get a page dammit :P
20:10.43George-alphablue: bitch to kergoth, and insult the pingizauru
20:11.04alphablueok
20:12.22George-a little OT, but do DVD burners work on Loonix?
20:13.09nodaIn Linux? Yes.
20:13.12nodaCheck out dvdrtools
20:13.24nodacdrtools writes them too, but dvdrtools writes *videos* :)
20:13.30George-oh WOW
20:13.30George-:)
20:13.37alphablueoooh email from Hugh G Rection
20:13.37George-I'm thinking primarily for data ;)
20:13.52alphabluevideos are data
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20:14.03alphablueall 1s and 0s
20:14.04George-alphablue: No they're not, afaic
20:14.15nodaHar har.
20:14.56George-alphablue: And I suppose there are some alphas and omegas in there too?>
20:15.57rodapopayn rand anyone
20:16.13George-is £197 for a DVD burner good?
20:16.16George-(Pioneer)
20:16.55rodapopregion free?
20:17.23George-uhm
20:17.24George-I don't think so
20:17.32George-When you burn DVDs, they're not REGION SET are they?!?!?!
20:17.48nodaI think they have to be
20:17.48rodapopwell does it have the vcd or nurb svcd capabilite
20:18.08nodaI don't think a DVD player will play a DVD that doesn't have a region set.
20:18.11George-noda: uhm, DVDs themselves don't *have* to have a region set on them
20:18.28George-noda: depends which fascist DVD player you have
20:18.38George-But what about DATA dvds
20:18.43nodaYou mean, it depends if you've got some sort of mod chip :P
20:18.45rodapopdvd region o friends, type "o
20:18.49George-I mean, I want to use it primarily as a backup medium? ;)
20:18.55nodaWell, Data DVD readers need a region on the DVD too, don't they?
20:19.00rodapopyou want to make dvd burner?
20:19.08George-noda: I have a DVD player that is region free out of the box
20:19.11George-noda: TV one, that is
20:19.26rodapopnoodle, is that wha you have
20:19.29George-I don't think data DVDs have fucking regions.. :)
20:19.29nodaAh, cool :)
20:19.46George-I HATE THE MPAA
20:19.50George-AND THE RIAA
20:19.53George-I HATE 'EM ALL!
20:20.03rodapopintelectual property rights is what has made america grand
20:20.18nodaDefine "grand" :)
20:20.23rodapopour respect for them is what keeps us in knickers and gold
20:20.27George-rodapop: thank god I don't live there ;)
20:20.38rodapopamerica is the greatest country right now
20:20.51George-NO
20:20.56rodapopYES
20:20.57George-America is the most evil country
20:21.07George-EVIL!
20:21.09George-EVVIIILLL!!!
20:21.11George-Think... THINK
20:21.18George-BILL GATES IS AMERICAN!
20:21.35TheMasterMind1hmm
20:21.50George-hi TMM1
20:21.52nodaWoo! The credits page is XHTML-1.1 validated :)
20:22.04nodaSo whoever changes credits now, be sure to check your stuff at validator.w3.org
20:22.10George-noda: freak ;)
20:22.39nodaGeorge-: rofl, look who's saying this :)
20:23.15kergothnoda: great
20:23.41rodapopbill gates is hated because he is good
20:23.54George-rodapop: get out
20:23.59kergothrodapop: wtf are you talking about?
20:24.07corheh
20:24.10nodaDefine "good".
20:24.16rodapophttp://microsoft.aynrand.org/hate.html
20:24.22nodaWhy use vague terms in a debate? It only creates confusion.
20:24.31rodapopokay read that peckerhead
20:24.48George-rodapop: you must understand.. Bill Gates is hated because he reminds people of kergoth
20:25.13nodarodapop: I will exercise my right not to read :)
20:25.39rodapopnoda you have that right because we are not in soviet cccp, because you are in freedom land
20:25.47rodapopso recognize and give thanks
20:26.00rodapopotherwise i will make u read bastard
20:26.01nodaBill Gates is hated because people are jealous, but that does not mean he is "good" by just about any definition.
20:26.19George-noda: i hate him because he's a monopolistic bastard
20:26.22George-noda: like kergoth
20:26.38rodapophe is not a monopoly.  monopolies can only be made by governments.
20:26.44rodapopwhy can and does linux exist?
20:26.51rodapopbecause m$ is not a monopoly.
20:26.55George-rodapop: you idiot
20:27.09rodapoplinux may win, and that will not be bad, if it is better.
20:27.12kergothrodapop: monopolies can only be made by governments? haha
20:27.15rodapopbut right now , m$ rox you.
20:27.30rodapopyou have rights, go innovated kergoth, go innovate
20:27.33nodarodapop: You are in a VERY small camp if you are trying to say that Microsoft is not a monopoly.
20:27.36kergothstupidity amuses me
20:27.46kergothrodapop: what does innovation have to do with your statement about monopolies?
20:27.50rodapophow is it a monopoly?  are you forced to buy their products.
20:27.59George-lmao
20:28.03rodapopthe very fact that linux is cool suppreses and nullifies your arguments
20:28.04George-rodapop: YES
20:28.06rodapoppeckerman
20:28.14George-rodapop: I HAVE TO BUY FUCKING WINDOWS WITH EVERY GOD DAMN PC I GET
20:28.17nodarodapop: You are wrong. Many people are forced to by Microsoft's products.
20:28.44nodarodapop: In fact, it has been legally proven and is not even debated any more that Microsoft is a monopoly. Not only that, it is using its force in some markets to control other ones.
20:28.55George-noda: exactly
20:29.05rodapopIt is m$ product, they can decide what to bundle.  Why is it bad to give a browser away?
20:29.06nodarodapop: You're about 3 years in the past if you try to deny it - everybody else in the world knows this, including Microsoft itself.
20:29.11kergothrodapop: huh?
20:29.23George-like telling OEMs that if they distribute their hardware OS-less, they'll lose their right to vendor the OEM Windows
20:29.26nodarodapop: Okay, have you read anything BESIDES the link you gave us? :)
20:29.37rodapopm$ themselves have been duped... they believe that because they are so good they must pay, they feel guilty for being the best.  I am sad for m$ and mr. gates.
20:29.46kergothrodapop: haha
20:29.56nodaOkay, troll, right. Bye.
20:29.59George-this is hilarious
20:30.01rodapopmaking money is NOT bad.
20:30.08rodapopbeing the BEST is NOT bad.
20:30.09kergothrodapop: be glad I'm in an -amused by stupidity- not a -angered by stupidity- mood
20:30.17rodapopLOVE is NOT bad.
20:30.18George-rodapop: making money through an unfair advantage IS bad
20:30.32kergothLOVE? haha
20:30.35rodapopunfair advantage?  what unfair advantage?  the unfair advantage of hard work sweat blood and tears?
20:30.41kergothhahaha
20:30.51George-kergoth: I think we're ALL grateful you're not in an "angered by stupidity" mood :)
20:30.57rodapopthe beauty of com+ dcom95, ole, fat32 is UNPARELLALLED.
20:31.05George-rodapop: BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS? PAH!
20:31.07George-rofl
20:31.14rodapopwhere is the visual Dot Net of GNU?  nope, no existo.
20:31.17*** kick/#zaurus [rodapop!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (troll elsewhere.)
20:31.21George-<rodapop> the beauty of com+ dcom95, ole, fat32 is UNPARELLALLED.
20:31.24George-Stick that in the topic
20:31.25George-:)
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20:31.29rodapopi will stay quiet
20:31.36rodapopi have learned that the truth angers.
20:31.36kergothgood.
20:31.39George-rodapop: yes, as you're trolling in a hilarious way
20:31.48kergothrodapop: 1) not angry
20:31.48rodapopno troll, no troll.
20:31.55kergothrodapop: 2) i'm annoyed by trolling, not truth
20:32.11rodapopit is truth.
20:32.16George-rodapop: 1) it's not that we're angered... kergoth's losing productivity time by laughing at you ;)
20:32.21rodapoptruth is 1 or 0
20:32.22kergothhaha, that too
20:32.41George-rodapop: you're an idiot, and you know it
20:32.44kergothrodapop: hm, i could have sworn you said you would be quiet. now you make yourself both a liar and a troll.
20:32.52rodapopyour either a one or a zero, alive or dead <quiet now>
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20:32.56George-kergoth: haha
20:33.24George-uhmm.. what does that mean? :)
20:33.26ZzzGogoheyas...
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20:33.31George-ibot dictionary coalesces
20:33.31George-: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
20:33.37George-ibot: fool
20:33.37i don't know, George-
20:33.42Wintregeorge: apt-get install dict ;)
20:33.53George-Wintre: no =P
20:33.59kergothGeorge-: slacker
20:34.16ZzzGogowhen will 3.1rc2 come out?! :)
20:34.23George-HAHA.. Guess what? rodapop's just /msg'd me!
20:34.33George-Claiming that I know I'm wrong
20:34.33George-rofl
20:34.40kergothZzzGogo: when suspend/resume and touchscreen are workign in 2.4.19
20:34.41rodapopMMFFFPPTTT <stifled>
20:34.43ZzzGogoGeorge-: did he writwe the truth? :)
20:34.57George-kergoth: You're starting to remind me of Mr Strickland in Back to the Future
20:35.17George-ZzzGogo: I dunno ;)
20:35.30George-kergoth: stop slacking and get on with it
20:35.43ZzzGogokergoth: oh cool, whats the 'new' thing about the new touchscreen driver?
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20:36.10kergothZzzGogo: um, that it works in 2.4.19?
20:36.12kergothZzzGogo: heh
20:36.22George-rodapop is claiming he's not a troll! WOOOHOOO
20:36.29George-lying toad ;)
20:36.36rodapopMERPPPPPPPPPP <stifled>
20:37.06George-we need to make ibot an op, and make a ~kick flag ;)
20:37.30George-HEY GUYS! APPARENTLY I USE MS!
20:37.36George-;-)
20:37.52George-I wonder where..
20:37.56ZzzGogoGeorge-: why?
20:38.03George-<rodapop> you use m$
20:38.10ZzzGogo*g*
20:38.27George--George-- VERSION xchat 1.8.3 Linux 2.4.10-4GB [i586/448MHz]
20:38.36George-and yet.. my CTCP VERSION reply states otherwise.. ;)
20:38.42ZzzGogo:)
20:38.48ZzzGogoic
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20:40.36George-ZzzGogo: he's claiming that every time I watch porno I'm using MS
20:41.01George-WTF has MS got to do with PORNO?
20:41.11ZzzGogoGeorge-: hmmmm...
20:41.49George-hrmm, no ideas? ;)
20:41.53staylorGeorge-, they're both fucked?
20:41.59ZzzGogoGeorge-: maybe he means that bill gates earns his money as a porno actor?
20:42.02George-staylor: LOL
20:42.08George-lmao
20:42.33penguinxr2windows media player supports many formats.....
20:42.42penguinxr2thast probly why :)
20:42.44George-<rodapop> what ever you owe your life to m$
20:42.44George-<rodapop> they made the internet what it is today
20:42.45George-LMAO
20:42.58George-penguinxr2: haha ;)
20:43.26George-rodapop: I don't classify www.microsoft.com as the web ;)
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20:44.00ZzzGogoGeorge-: well at least microsoft influenced the internet A LOT .... regarding that, he's right
20:44.30rodapop<PROTECTED>
20:44.30George-ZzzGogo: regarding anything else?
20:44.56George-ZzzGogo: and er... how do you explain the fact that I owe my life to MS?
20:44.57George-;)
20:45.06George-rodapop: shut it troll
20:45.06WintreUgh
20:45.08WintreAyn Rand
20:45.18George-?
20:45.35rodapopCan I speak?
20:45.44George-rodapop: no
20:45.52George-rodapop: I'm gonna have a heart attack at this rate
20:46.06rodapopPlease George-?  I will not be abusive or rude.
20:46.06trekethat might not be a bad thing
20:46.17ZzzGogoGeorge-: u dont owe ur life to m$, but we have to admit, that m$ influenced the internet a whole lot
20:46.32marktreke: :)
20:46.44trekemark: :)
20:47.10ZzzGogoWintre: hi :)
20:47.33WintreWhat do you mean by "influenced"?
20:47.54trekejust like John Gotti "influenced" people
20:48.51ZzzGogoWintre: they developed a whole lot of code/software/programs that in one or the other way is being used by a whole lot of ppl - good or bad is not the question
20:49.08Wintregogo: IE and Outlook, primarily
20:49.36WintreIE has influenced the web by helping to destroy the value of standards
20:49.47WintreOutlook has been the primary vector for email viruses
20:49.53WintreThat's more or less the only influence I see
20:50.00ZzzGogojust say jscript/IE/windows/passport/hotmail/.NET/outlook/bla ... this stuff combined probably coveres more than half of the internet end users
20:50.40ZzzGogoWintre: its more or less the only influence (though win2k servers/asp/blabla are still being used), but its a very 'widespread' influence...
20:51.08WintreReally, only IE is an influence
20:51.13rodapopwhen standards bodies move so slowly - then they are the impediment to innovation!
20:51.19ZzzGogo.. since it affects a great number of endusers... u could peolly count us and yourself to a small group of 'freaks'...
20:51.38WintreSince Outlook hasn't done much to change "the Internet"
20:51.59ZzzGogoWintre: not? it spred viruses! :)
20:52.01trekerodapop: Standards bodies move slowly, so that a standard is useful
20:52.04ZzzGogo+a
20:52.04Wintreroda: Are you one of these free-market fundamentalists?
20:52.26trekerodapop: If you change the standard too often, it's about as useless as no standard at all
20:52.45WintreIf you consider "the Internet" to be a network managed by a large set of standards describing protocols and data formats, then Outlook's done nothing
20:52.59ZzzGogowintre. ok
20:53.15WintreLet's distinguish between "impact" and "influence"
20:53.46ZzzGogoWintre: yeah - or lets simply drop this stupid diskussion :)
20:54.27rodapoplook if you dont like IE, make something better. simple as that.
20:54.37George-back
20:54.38rodapopcompete.  no one is stopping you.
20:54.41TheMasterMind1rodapop: you mean like gecko?
20:54.43TheMasterMind1mozilla?
20:54.45TheMasterMind1phoenix
20:54.46TheMasterMind1dillo
20:54.49TheMasterMind1galeon
20:54.50George-treke: shut it :)
20:54.53TheMasterMind1konqueror
20:55.00TheMasterMind1skipstone
20:55.06TheMasterMind1enough competetition for you?
20:55.10TheMasterMind1any one of those is better than IE
20:55.21WintreHmm
20:55.21ZzzGogoTheMasterMind1: but who says which is 'better'
20:55.28TheMasterMind1ZzzGogo: i do
20:55.30George-ZzzGogo: I DO !:)
20:55.32WintreMaybe I should read my scrollback to see what roda's talking about
20:55.39ZzzGogoTheMasterMind1: u cant
20:55.48trekethe only thing I see that IE does that Mozilla based browsers cant do are things like ActiveX which doesnt make sense on anything but windows
20:56.09George-treke: you forgot the hacking exploit opportunities in IE! :)
20:56.46kergothGeorge-: 'thats not a bug, thats a feature!' eh?
20:56.51TheMasterMind1lol
20:56.55trekeyo kergoth
20:57.00TheMasterMind1/home/agupta/buildroot/build/opie/include/qpe/custom.h:41: asm/sharp_char.h: No such file or directory
20:57.03TheMasterMind1what now..
20:57.07George-kergoth: haha
20:57.09kergothhey treke
20:57.20kergothTheMasterMind1: opie is including kernel headers directly? eww
20:57.28trekekergoth: it official. vim scripting sucks big fat balls
20:57.30George-OK, I'm making a new years resolution
20:57.33kergothtreke: hah
20:57.36George-I'm not gonna piss off any Z developers
20:57.42kergothhaha
20:57.46kergoththat'll last all of 20 minutes
20:57.49kergoth:P
20:58.11TheMasterMind1George-: put your annoying nature to good use. annoy people like rodapop and the people in #java
20:58.26George-TheMasterMind1: haha
20:58.31George-kergoth: I'm serious
20:58.58trekeGeorge-: being annoying isnt something you can change
20:59.02trekeGeorge-: its just your nature
20:59.22George-treke: There's nothing you cannot change
20:59.34George-ibot knights
20:59.35i heard knights is the chess interface for opie
20:59.45trekeGeorge-: except your annoyingness
20:59.51trekeGeorge-: and my assholeness
20:59.52ZzzGogois it possible to play midi files on the Z ?
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21:00.28kergothassholeness
21:00.29George-treke: I will change!
21:00.29kergothhah
21:01.18George-MESS will play Sega Genesis games?
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21:04.12Com[Plex]hey guys. can anyone here link me to that nice little leather case for the sharp that leaves you the ability to open the keyboard cover?
21:04.30trekeibot, frama?
21:04.31treke: wish i knew
21:05.11trekehttp://www.pielframa.com/Sharp.Zaurus.htm
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21:05.58George-wtf is Virtual Kendrick?
21:06.17Com[Plex]ahh, thanks!
21:06.31trekewtf does it look like
21:07.23Com[Plex]you cant see it?
21:08.14trekekergoth: http://vim.sourceforge.net/script.php?script_id=520
21:08.51George-treke: I dunno wth it is.. ;)
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21:10.37chouimathi George-
21:10.41George-ibot seen harlekin
21:10.41harlekin is currently on #opie (4h 33m 20s) #handhelds.org (4h 33m 20s).  Has said a total of 7 messages.  Is idling for 4h 23m 52s
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21:12.07George-hrmm, ok, I've found op² at last ;)
21:12.38inoutlawI keep getting errors like cannot find lybcrypto.so when I try to run ssh-keygen I have install both openssh and ssl ipks anyone know what else I need to do?
21:13.15trekeinoutlaw: send kergoth twnety bucks
21:13.20BZFlag~dict coalesces
21:13.32BZFlag~spell coalesces
21:13.32I can't find alternate spellings for 'coalesces'
21:13.47Wintre~dict coalesce
21:13.54George-BZFlag: ahh, I knew ibot had a dictionary function
21:14.07inoutlawtrake so can package a lybcrypto.so ?
21:14.34BZFlagibot dictionary $word is <reply> see dict $word
21:14.35okay, BZFlag
21:14.45BZFlag~dictionary fubar
21:14.46see dict fubar
21:15.18George-ibot you rock
21:15.18:)
21:15.31trekeibot, dict, George-
21:15.32Dictionary 'George-' (1 shown): see annoying
21:15.40George-rofl
21:15.53George-ibot forget dict, george-
21:15.53George-: i forgot dict, george-
21:16.00George-ibot thanks
21:16.00no worries, George-
21:16.21BZFlagheh
21:17.00George-does OZ run X11 well?
21:17.17kergothBZFlag: hey tim, how goes it?
21:18.15George-~dict linux
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21:18.21George-~dict microsoft sucks
21:18.35kergothhmm
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21:19.19George-ibot shut up ;)
21:19.20George-: bugger all, i dunno
21:19.31nodaOh damn, one of my computer fans is beginning to make noise...
21:20.30George-what's opie-console?
21:20.44trekea terminal
21:20.44chouimatGeorge-: a console app maybe?
21:21.12George-chouimat: ?
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21:21.34chouimatGeorge-: :)
21:21.42rodapopfucking leftist pussies!
21:21.42trekechouimat: dont mind him, he's a little slow
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21:22.05kergothhaha
21:22.09chouimat|awaytreke: yah! he's only 14
21:22.11George-ahh, wait, there're some screenies
21:22.40trekekergoth: he sure won that argument
21:22.47kergothohh yeah
21:22.48George-<PROTECTED>
21:22.52George-=)
21:23.33chouimat|awayhmmmm pussy
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21:24.08treke|whereverGeorge-: cant get rid of me that easily
21:24.19chouimat|awayGeorge-: home?
21:24.28George-argh
21:24.45George-<PROTECTED>
21:24.48George-lol
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21:25.12treke|ho1estill here
21:25.16chouimat|awaylol
21:25.22kergothhrm
21:25.24chouimat|away~lart George-
21:25.26kergothsuspend hates me
21:25.29chouimat|away~lart George-
21:25.30kergothor rather, resume hates me
21:25.31George-grmbl
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21:25.42kergothhmm
21:25.46George-<PROTECTED>
21:25.51George-I hope that's the last *phew*
21:25.56treke<George-> *!*@* added to ignore list
21:26.13George-sugar make kergoth a coffee
21:26.18George-=P
21:26.49kergothi skipped lunch
21:26.52kergothheh
21:27.06George-?
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21:27.48chouimat|awayGeorge-: too young
21:27.50treke|elsewhereGeorge-: hi
21:27.52George-FFS
21:27.56George-I'm gonna go insane
21:27.59George-lol
21:28.13George-<PROTECTED>
21:28.19George-;)
21:28.31trekeGeorge- going insane
21:28.32kergothGeorge-: I'm insane, its not as bad as its made out to be
21:28.36kergothGeorge-: kind of fun, actually
21:28.40trekeor me running out of hosts to say hi from
21:28.49George-haha
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21:30.09inoutlawhas anyone had probs getting ssh to work on Rom 2.37 (sharp)
21:30.11George-oh fuck
21:30.18trekethere. I think I'm out
21:30.22George-OK, I give up
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21:34.31rabbit_ukinoutlaw: what probs r u having?
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21:35.57trekehahaha sweeet
21:37.03inoutlawrabbit: I keep getting "cannot find libcrypto.so "
21:37.17inoutlawah crap
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21:40.34Prodigyzbot howtos
21:40.53Prodigyibot howtos
21:40.53somebody said howtos was at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/
21:41.56mclipbalm1has anyone successfully compiled and installed the Cisco VPN client on a Zaurus?
21:42.31chouimat|awayfuck!! a 1h30 wait just to pay something in the grocery
21:43.21Prodigyibot compile
21:43.22Prodigy: I give up, what is it?
21:43.31Prodigyibot compiling
21:43.32i don't know, Prodigy
21:43.49Prodigyibot cross-compiling
21:43.50Prodigy: no idea
21:44.02Prodigyibot developing
21:44.03Prodigy: are you smoking crack?
21:44.11Prodigyfuck yeah
21:44.57Prodigyowkay.. can someone who's smarter than ibot tell me where the cross-compiling howtos are?
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21:46.01trekeibot, howtos?
21:46.05methinks howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/
21:48.07[George]wow
21:48.08[George]I'm impressed
21:48.15[George]This novus plastic polish is really good
21:51.31George-TheMasterMind1: ping
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22:01.28George-any OZ developers here that are alive?
22:01.37kergothGeorge-: /join #openzaurus
22:01.39kergoth~lart George-
22:01.45George-kergoth: oh, sorry ;)
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22:14.05angryhas anyone ever tried to port tetrinet to the Z?
22:14.59George-angry: what's tetrinet?
22:15.12markGeorge-: !
22:15.21angryit's all the rage on #wopn
22:15.21angryhehe
22:15.25angryits like tetris
22:15.30angryexcept with attacks and defense thingies
22:15.32angrykinda cool
22:15.44George-lol
22:15.51angrygrab gtetrinet and find a server for trying it out
22:16.19angry68.39.213.227 has some people from #wopn playing
22:16.19angryhehe
22:16.42kergothangry: not enough screen space to have the images of the other guy's display
22:17.08angrykergoth: right.. that seems to be the problem with doing it on console too; you need 50 lines vertically
22:17.21angrywhich my x terminal wont support i dont think
22:17.28angryat least not for me to see it all
22:17.45angrybut tetrinet would be SOOOO fun on the z
22:17.45angryhehe
22:18.06kergothit would rock
22:18.08kergoththats for sure
22:18.09kergothheh
22:18.36George`ShutupImagine.. running... KDE.. on .. C700...
22:18.47markGeorge`Shutup: bloat!
22:19.01kergothheh
22:19.05kergoththatd be a waste
22:19.11George`Shutupmark: think about it! 400MHz ARM.. 640x480... 1GB Microdrive... external power adaptor...
22:19.22markGeorge`Shutup: what do you gain by running KDE?
22:19.24kergothGeorge`Shutup: think about it! wasting all 400mhz!
22:19.26George`Shutupmark: X11.. OZ... KDE...
22:19.30kergothyou gain nothing
22:19.35George`Shutupbleh
22:19.36kergothuse matchbox like a sane person
22:19.40George`ShutupI want kde
22:19.41George`Shutup:)
22:19.45markGeorge`Shutup: there is no point
22:19.47George`ShutupI wanna run KLatin!
22:19.54angrylol
22:19.59George`ShutupKLatin doesn't work on Opie
22:19.59angryport it then
22:20.02kergothGeorge`Shutup: so port it
22:20.02markport it
22:20.05George`ShutupNO
22:20.05kergothdamn slackers
22:20.06George`Shutup:)
22:20.14oGMohmmm
22:20.15markGeorge`Shutup: it'd take <1 hour
22:20.15George`ShutupI'm sick to death of the code of KLatin
22:20.16George`Shutuplol
22:20.20oGMoruby has a QtE interface
22:20.28oGMohmm ;)
22:20.40George`Shutupmark: why < 1 hour? Coz I wrote it in the first place and I know how it all works? :)
22:20.42angryGeorge`Shutup: what are your favorite things about kde
22:20.56George`Shutupangry: it's big, fat and bloated
22:21.00markGeorge`Shutup: no, coz porting a simple app from KDE is easy
22:21.02kergothGeorge`Shutup: like you!
22:21.05angryGeorge`Shutup: lol
22:21.05kergothhehe
22:21.06markhaha
22:21.07George`Shutupkergoth: yeh :)
22:21.13George`ShutupI'm really really fat, lol
22:21.14kergothsorry, couldnt resist
22:21.16George`Shutup(seriously)
22:21.30George`ShutupI weigh.. a LOT
22:21.31George`Shutup;)
22:21.43angryi weigh more than a 100lb weight!!!
22:21.43markgrr, i hate writing thank you letters
22:21.47angryhehe
22:21.55George`Shutupmark: lol
22:22.05markwb Twiun
22:22.09angryGeorge-: what OS are you running?
22:22.14Twiunhey mark
22:22.14kergothgot to drop by a sporting goods store tonight and pick up a weight bench
22:22.15George-angry: HellOS v1
22:22.33kergothGeorge-: oh, was that supposed to be funny?
22:22.35warmiibot seen killefiz
22:22.36killefiz <~sven@ach9-d9bba9bc.pool.mediaWays.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 9d 10h 24m 39s ago, saying: 'there is a new type of change, a "minor" change which doesn't update the changed-date (for fixed typos etc)'.
22:22.36kergothGeorge-: :P
22:22.38George-kergoth: no
22:22.44kergothGeorge-: ah, just annoying?
22:22.46kergothheheh
22:22.48George-kergoth: stop bullying me! ;)
22:22.49angryGeorge-: err... there is such an OS?
22:22.53George-angry: no
22:23.00kergothtreke: I'm not into cars.. so my garage is now a training facility :D
22:23.01George-I run Linux
22:23.06angryGeorge-: ahh from scratch
22:23.11George-?
22:23.18angryGeorge-: what distro are you using
22:23.20warmiGeorge: I thought you rnu OS X ?
22:23.23George-erm, depends
22:23.26warmirun even
22:23.34George-warmi: sometimes, and my tibook is away being repaired ;)
22:23.57angrywhat are you in right now
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22:24.03George-angry: SuSE Linux 7.3
22:24.12George-angry: on my gateway server I'm running SuSE Linux 8.1
22:24.18George-angry: on my TiBook I run Gentoo 1.4
22:24.29angrygentoo is sexier than SuSE
22:24.40George-gentoo causes more headaches than suse
22:24.48kergothSuSE. blech. YaST can blow me
22:24.50kergothgod i hate yast
22:24.51angryjust because stuff needs to be compiled?
22:24.53Wintregentoo needs more to be compiled than suse
22:24.57kergothGeorge-: get debian then
22:24.58kergoth:D
22:24.59George-kergoth: non-GPL?
22:25.03George-kergoth: I'm on 56k
22:25.07George-kergoth: Darn it
22:25.16angryx11 setup was a pain
22:25.26warmiuh .. I compiled KDE 3.1 on 1 GHZ machine and it took like 8 hours or so ...
22:25.26kergothangry: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is a pain?
22:25.28angry+ i messed it all up anyway trying to set up nvidia drivers
22:25.28angryheh
22:25.35angrykergoth: yup
22:25.37kergothangry: ncurses interface ala Xconfigurator
22:25.39kergothbah
22:25.39warmibased on that I would say that gentoo is a rather bad idea :-)
22:25.41George-kergoth: I don't particularly enjoy installing Debian over 56k.. it's hell ;)
22:25.41angrykergoth: i was having trouble finding which problem was mine
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22:25.52kergothGeorge-: get cds then
22:25.55angrykergoth: err which settings were for my monitor
22:25.59markwarmi: yeah, takes ages to install anything but its a nicely thought out distro
22:25.59George-kergoth: no =P
22:26.58George-I would like to see Gentoo implement a feed system
22:27.02George-for prebuilt packages
22:27.02Leavesdoes anyone have any info on getting the WCF12 wireless card working
22:27.03Leaves?
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22:27.15George-ibot howto
22:27.15extra, extra, read all about it, howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup
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22:27.21kergothGeorge-: i'd like to see a source build tool as spiffy as emerge for debian :)
22:27.27George-kergoth: hehe
22:27.37George-kergoth: make one
22:27.39George-kergoth: slacker ;)
22:27.47kergothheh
22:27.53kergothI know better than to take on more projects than i have time for
22:27.57kergothotherwise I would
22:27.58kergoth:)
22:28.20George-hrmm, I got the impression that you took on as many projects as you could ;)
22:28.25kergothhah
22:28.25George-lol
22:28.27kergothhellll no
22:28.52George-sjborch: *ahem*
22:29.04sigis there sync software for Macs?
22:29.18sjborch? sorry. Just playing with ChatZilla.
22:29.26George-sjborch: hehe
22:29.32George-sig: no
22:29.36George-sig: unless you use Virtual PC
22:29.48sigGeorge-: what is qtopia's website?
22:29.52sjborchWas it dumping replies into everyone's view?
22:29.53sigI could have sworn I saw it
22:30.00George-sig: www.trolltech.com
22:30.02sjborchwww.trolltech.no ? isn't it?
22:30.22warmihttp://qpe.sourceforge.net/
22:30.51james_lanhasn't someone created a by hand sync for mac (fairly involved?) or was that just backup/file transfer? (sorry dont have a working mac)
22:30.55George-warmi: that's old and outdated
22:31.03George-james_lan: not afaik
22:31.06warmiGeorge-: yeah, I know
22:31.19warmijames_lan: working mac ?
22:31.21George-sig: solution: Install Linux and follow usbdnet instructions
22:31.23warmi:-)
22:31.55George-sig: and also, apparently they have a working CDCEther class compliant driver in the development dungeons at apple
22:32.22George-sig: That's according to Craig Keithly, USB development dude at apple
22:32.27kergothGeorge-: course it still wont work with the Z unless they implement CRC appending
22:32.31kergothGeorge-: :)
22:32.36james_landon't have a kb for it and it still has macos (<X) so no ssh/telnet, unlike my sparc (which has a kb problem)
22:32.38George-kergoth: yeh, well, I dunno how the Z works ;)
22:33.04George-sig: if you feel like hacking about with the driver, then sign up for ADC and email him
22:33.06warmisynching is for whimps
22:33.12warmisyncing even
22:33.46George-lol
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22:33.51warmievery Z should come equipped with a CF ethernet card ...
22:33.53james_lanssh/scp :)
22:33.55warmino more USB nonsense
22:33.58tux_mikegah
22:33.58warmiheh
22:34.04tux_miketivo still thinks everyone's 10
22:34.08George-kergoth: he _did_ say that I'd have to hack about with the driver, which is why I didn't ask for it ;)
22:34.17kergothheh
22:34.39George-kergoth: I know _nothing_ about the kernel etc ;)
22:34.46_OzzY_has anyone got a GPS unit working with their zaurs?
22:34.50_OzzY_zaurus even
22:35.40james_lanyes, go look on ZSI, someone has a program for it. ZSI=http://killefiz.de/zaurus
22:36.00james_lan(don't know which ones)
22:38.57troffasky_OzzY_ : yes they have
22:42.00Twiunanyone fancying a good laugh, please go right on to http://adorphuye.com/cv for my new instalment of the cosmic comedy... The Job Resume
22:42.12Twiunaka, I'm still looking for a job...
22:42.22George-Twiun: heh, read the logs of MarkNovak :)
22:42.39TwiunGeorge-: and yes, do criticise the cv, please do ;-)
22:43.00George-whats a resume?
22:43.14LeavesDoes anyone have any information on how to go about setting up the WCF12 on the Zaurus?
22:43.45TwiunGeorge-: that's US-speak for a CV
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22:43.55George-Twiun: ahh
22:44.01George-Twiun: ur french? FROG! :)
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22:45.05George-Company name withheld
22:45.09George-What company? =P
22:45.15Twiun~lart George-
22:45.16George-Qt/E bindings indeed. :)
22:45.30chouimat~lart George-
22:45.46chouimatsince he doesn't know how to use
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22:46.06chouimatsince he doesn't know how to use it ... he won't miss it
22:46.11TwiunGeorge-: Qt/E bindings indeed... and I've got screenshots too! But that's not appropriate to a cv
22:46.15chouimatfucking cat
22:46.15George-Twiun: are you only about 25? =P
22:46.23George-Twiun: haha
22:47.02TwiunGeorge-: yup... all those heavy 11 years make me an extra old man... compared to you of course
22:47.28james_lan~lart George-
22:47.43trekeibot, lart George-
22:47.58james_lancan you not try to start a fuss?
22:47.58victorvdl~lart George-
22:47.59Twiun~rlart
22:48.07Twiunlol
22:48.39james_lan14 george?
22:49.37markTwiun: wow, didn't know you were french or so young :)
22:50.21George-A complete psychometric test by Penna Consulting is available on request.
22:50.22George-ROFL
22:50.23Twiunmark: Young? I feel old and decrepit ;-) How old are you?
22:50.39TwiunGeorge-: it only proves I'm completely crazy... no need to request it
22:50.47George-Twiun: haha
22:50.50troffaskyLeaves: yes, what do you need to know?
22:50.59chouimat~lart
22:51.08markTwiun: 17, but I got the impression of an old an decrepit old man ;)
22:51.16Twiunmark: HAHAHAHA
22:51.22chouimat~lart George-
22:51.26Twiunmark: what can I say... traumatic childhood ;-)
22:51.30chouimat~lart George-
22:51.39George-Twiun: I thought you were 30+... :)
22:51.46George-james_lan: yeh, I'm 14
22:51.51chouimatTwiun: only 25?
22:52.07Twiunchouimat: and already old for my age ;-)
22:52.38chouimatTwiun: 29 in 7 weeks :)
22:53.26Twiunchouimat: Wow, gettin old... whatcha doing in here? Grooming us youngsters for your sordid development plans?
22:53.45troffaskylol
22:53.57chouimatTwiun: no teaching George- how to use his mojo :)
22:54.06George-wtf is a mojo
22:54.15TwiunHAhahaha
22:54.16troffaskychouimat: is that legal at his age?
22:54.26marktroffasky: no :)
22:54.27chouimatTwiun: you see :P
22:54.48George-OK, let's phone up twiun to annoy him! :)
22:54.54George-I have his phone # :)
22:55.04chouimatGeorge-: forget everything about the cabbage
22:55.06TwiunNow... anyone actually have some criticisms for me?
22:55.17WintreTwiun: Your nick is hard to pronounce
22:55.27George-Twiun: yeh, you're french ;)
22:55.27TwiunGeorge-: the #'s available from the whois records anyway ;-)
22:55.42TwiunWintre: call me Steph if you want, definately easier
22:55.49WintreHeh
22:57.47George-Twiun: Security: No criminal record <-- I thought you weren't meant to lie in your CV?
22:58.11trekeGeorge-: He'll have it removed by the time anyone reads it
22:58.18TwiunGeorge-: easier than saying "No convictions"
22:58.19trekeread the section labeled Skills L(
22:58.25treke:)
22:58.41TwiunGeorge-: or "Not yet convicted"
22:58.50Twiun~lart George-
22:58.50George-Twiun: we all know what you did to that poor old man in the street...
22:59.01TwiunGeorge-: Who said he was poor?
22:59.13George-Twiun: YOU ADMIT!
22:59.19TwiunGeorge-: You'd mugged him first... I only wanted his clothes
22:59.24trekehehe "Not yet convicted" thats gonna get you a lot of jobs :)
22:59.28chouimat~lart George-
22:59.45chouimat~lart George-
23:00.03George-Twiun: rofl
23:00.05Twiuntreke: I'm obviously aiming to work for government
23:00.11chouimat~lart George-
23:00.18George-Twiun: A french person.. in our government?? ;)
23:00.21George-j/k
23:00.36Twiunthat's like...
23:00.45chouimatI think that a french is better than George-
23:00.51Twiun"An honest person in the government?"
23:00.55George-lol
23:00.55trekeTwiun: then that should you ahead of most government applicants
23:00.59George-chouimat: bleh
23:01.05George-chouimat: do you even know what nationality I am? =P
23:01.17chouimatGeorge-: British
23:01.25George-chouimat: WRONG
23:01.38George-;-)
23:01.42trekeGeorge-: you are a frenchman at heart
23:01.48George-chouimat: half Taiwanese, half English
23:02.09George-and if birthplace counts, I was born in australia ;)
23:02.10TwiunGeorge-: which bits did you get... best of both or worst of both?
23:02.20George-Twiun: i dunno
23:02.23chouimatlol
23:02.30trekeGeorge-: do you have the lovely English smile?
23:02.32markGeorge-: hehe
23:02.51George-mark: ?
23:03.34TwiunGeorge-: Time for *you* to put up your CV ;-)
23:03.53TwiunGeorge-: but seriously, laughs aside... anything glaringly wrong with mine?
23:04.36markTwiun: no
23:05.19George-Twiun: My CV? bleh, I'm only 14
23:05.31George-Twiun: YES
23:05.52George-Twiun: You *admitted* to having experience with VBA, are you on crack or something?
23:05.58TwiunGeorge-: you've already done a contract job... your HTML editor. Granted you did it for yourself ;-)
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23:06.11George-Twiun: bleh, that wasn't a contract job ;)
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23:06.22TwiunGeorge-: Notice it's not a core skill, it's a mopping up skill
23:12.21George-I don't actually get whats so funny
23:13.31sjborchI didn't even use my Zaurus for the past two weeks...
23:14.30George-mark, Twiun: wth is so funny?!?! :)
23:15.15TwiunGeorge-: all the stuff about the Criminal records stuff ;-)
23:16.07siganyone use "resize" to make thumbs?
23:16.17George-Twiun: I don't believe you ;)
23:16.41TwiunGeorge-: you've got my word as a non-criminal ;-)
23:16.53Twiunand I didn't crack a smile about the mojo jokes ;-)
23:18.07chouimatTwiun: sure :)
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23:22.46sigdoes anyone know how to use resize to make thumbnails?
23:23.24trekeunless you have a different resize than me, you dont :)
23:23.32trekeI'd recommend convert
23:23.59sigconvert 160x120 blah.jpg thumb.jpg ?
23:24.22trekeCONVERT -sample 160x120 blah.jpg thumb.jpg
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23:32.37mclipbalmanyone know what the current 'developer' price for the zaurus is?
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