| 00:00.01 | oGMo | kergoth: how was christmas? |
| 00:00.07 | treke|home | kergoth: Dont know the details, but I _think_ it's persistant |
| 00:00.09 | kergoth | oGMo: pretty good thanks, you? |
| 00:00.11 | hobbs | treke|home: aah, so it times how long it takes to get from full to almost-nil, and then remembers that for next time. |
| 00:00.17 | kergoth | treke|home: hm, i'll rtfc |
| 00:00.44 | oGMo | kergoth: same ;) |
| 00:00.45 | oGMo | thanks |
| 00:00.46 | oGMo | hmm |
| 00:00.48 | treke|home | hobbs: dont think so. It doesnt start learning until you are on empty, not full |
| 00:01.04 | Twiun | treke|home: persistance would be cool |
| 00:01.08 | kergoth | treke|home: interesting |
| 00:01.10 | hobbs | treke|home: yeah, alright. what I said didn't make sense anyway. :) |
| 00:01.17 | kergoth | okay I'll rtfc and _document_ it |
| 00:01.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:03.29 | treke|home | yeah, read the comments, or ask someone from CRL :) |
| 00:03.30 | hobbs | treke|home: because that doesn't account for suspend-time vs. on-time anyway. |
| 00:03.30 | kergoth | hobbs: it could :) |
| 00:03.30 | kergoth | hobbs: might not be the most efficient method though |
| 00:03.30 | hobbs | I'll just stop speculating about code I've never seen, though. :) |
| 00:03.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:03.30 | treke|home | It seems to me that its calculating how much juice actually fits in the battery, and computing the time remaining based on how much juice is being sucked out |
| 00:03.30 | hobbs | I'm an amateur kernel hacker. I'm learning, but I haven't done anything "useful" for most values of useful. :) |
| 00:03.47 | treke|home | http://www.handhelds.org/projects/h3800.html |
| 00:04.28 | hobbs | treke|home: "loopy arrow", e? |
| 00:05.06 | treke|home | loopy arrow? |
| 00:05.09 | hobbs | treke|home: wow. that is pretty smart. |
| 00:05.12 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:05.14 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 00:05.22 | hobbs | treke|home: apparently, one of the buttons on the h3800 unit. |
| 00:05.26 | treke|home | ah yes |
| 00:05.29 | Twiun | treke|home: Oooo, I like the "power led blinking on charging and steady on ac power" |
| 00:05.31 | treke|home | it's a loopy arrow :) |
| 00:05.53 | hobbs | kergoth: are you provided with info on the current for the Z? |
| 00:06.13 | kergoth | hobbs: yep, thats how we interpolate the voltage |
| 00:06.46 | hobbs | sweet. I like that sort of info. Like knowing how many amps I'm drawing when I play FF3 in fceu (hint: a LOT) |
| 00:06.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:19.49 | angry`eating | AHH im back what did i miss |
| 00:20.03 | Neo|Work | angry: not much |
| 00:20.16 | angry | aww no FBI agents identified themselves? :( |
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| 00:21.22 | hobbs | seriously, though, one time I played FF3 pretty much all through english class (90min), and then I get to my next class and I've got a critically-low warning. :) |
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| 00:22.39 | Twiun | angry: Nope... they're probably still investigating ibot's homicidal and sadistic tendencies |
| 00:22.51 | kergoth | ibot: be zippy |
| 00:22.56 | angry | hehe |
| 00:23.11 | angry | lol |
| 00:23.34 | hobbs | I don't have zippy here. Must have forgotten to install -off. :) |
| 00:23.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:23.51 | kergoth | ibot: yow |
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| 00:25.20 | hobbs | sometimes the all-caps words in zippy quotes aren't even the right words. :) |
| 00:25.41 | kergoth | ibot: yow |
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| 01:09.47 | angry | satanspeed: heard anything from that guy |
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| 01:28.53 | boulez | Can CF wireless modems generally work in PCMCIA slots with an adapter? Or are those adapters just for memory? |
| 01:33.36 | tez | boulez: I think that the cf->pcmcia adapters are fairly "transparent"; if you have the correct pcmcia driver for the chipset in the wifi CF card, it should work. I think. |
| 01:33.57 | boulez | hmm..ok |
| 01:33.59 | boulez | thanks |
| 01:36.03 | treke|home | boulez: make sure you get the right type of adapter |
| 01:44.00 | boulez | right type? I didn 't know there was more than one...I just bought the cheapest one I could fine - like 7 bucks |
| 01:44.05 | boulez | Works great for memory |
| 01:44.17 | treke|home | compact flash cards come in two types |
| 01:44.21 | treke|home | type I and type II |
| 01:44.25 | boulez | oh right |
| 01:45.12 | boulez | pretty sure this will do both |
| 01:45.38 | treke|home | all of the ones I've used have been type I only :) |
| 01:46.04 | boulez | eek...lemme check on this |
| 01:46.36 | smbj | how do you exit emacs? |
| 01:47.12 | treke|home | m-c m-x |
| 01:49.07 | rabbit_uk | Ctrl-X Ctrl-C |
| 01:49.48 | treke|home | yeah, what he said :) |
| 01:50.34 | rabbit_uk | :) |
| 01:50.44 | smbj | lol |
| 01:51.04 | treke|home | not a regular emacs user :) |
| 01:51.29 | smbj | lol |
| 01:52.24 | rabbit_uk | smbj: have you got mpuz and blackbox? try M-x blackbox or M-x mpuz. Dunnet too. Dunnet is a MUD! |
| 01:54.35 | treke|home | not enough to get me to switch though :p |
| 01:55.22 | rabbit_uk | treke: what do you use? |
| 01:55.32 | treke|home | vim most of the time |
| 01:55.40 | rabbit_uk | urgh |
| 01:55.55 | smbj | haha |
| 01:55.57 | kergoth | mmmm vim |
| 01:56.04 | rabbit_uk | evil evil evil |
| 01:56.10 | smbj | i don't really develop.. nano covers it for me |
| 01:56.21 | treke|home | urgh |
| 01:56.24 | smbj | well, vim is fine when i need syntax hilighting |
| 01:56.38 | kergoth | pico was the first linux editor i used |
| 01:56.42 | kergoth | then emacs, but i went back to pico |
| 01:56.53 | kergoth | then learned vi out of necessity when i started doing unix admin of non unix machines |
| 01:56.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:01.06 | smbj | that'd be nice |
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| 02:05.29 | smbj | that was probably the stupidest thing i've ever said, but still! |
| 02:05.53 | treke|home | yes. it probably was :) |
| 02:12.18 | hobbs | vi is. But it'd be impossible to overrate vim. |
| 02:13.10 | victorvdl | hobbs: Actually, it would be pretty easy to overrate vim. |
| 02:13.41 | victorvdl | hobbs: Say something like: without Vim, the world would fall apart, and you've overrated it first try... |
| 02:15.08 | treke|home | victorvdl: you mean it wouldnt fall apart? |
| 02:15.33 | ljp | vim -> vi |
| 02:16.59 | victorvdl | treke|home: sure, there would still be pico... ;-) |
| 02:17.02 | ljp | I like doing ln -s emacs vi |
| 02:17.16 | treke|home | I like killing people that do that |
| 02:17.32 | smbj | lol |
| 02:17.50 | ljp | that way, I can do vi and get a good editor |
| 02:19.39 | kergoth | ljp: thats just sick and wrong |
| 02:19.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:22.10 | ljp | :D |
| 02:23.35 | kergoth | treke|home: shot of what? |
| 02:23.44 | ljp | rum |
| 02:23.45 | treke|home | at what is more accurate |
| 02:23.51 | treke|home | and the answer is victorvdl |
| 02:23.58 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:23.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:25.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:25.47 | rabbit_uk | hmm...which is root directory? /root or /home/root? |
| 02:25.52 | kergoth | both |
| 02:25.55 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:25.58 | treke|home | rabbit_uk: $HOME :) |
| 02:26.01 | kergoth | follow the symlink madness |
| 02:26.16 | kergoth | its like a yellow brick road |
| 02:26.18 | kergoth | only twistier |
| 02:26.21 | kergoth | and you can die |
| 02:26.50 | kergoth | quite true |
| 02:27.44 | rabbit_uk | this isn't true on OZ I hope |
| 02:29.31 | rabbit_uk | \/root is only ever read only. |
| 02:29.36 | rabbit_uk | ? |
| 02:30.54 | victorvdl | Does anybody have something for me to test that will mess up my Z so I can kill time fixing it? |
| 02:31.17 | ljp | try rm -rf / |
| 02:31.41 | victorvdl | ljp: that's too easy to fix... |
| 02:32.23 | ljp | ok, try mkdosfs /dev/ram |
| 02:32.46 | kergoth | dd if=/dev/random /dev/mem .. course then you'll be sending your Z back to sharp |
| 02:32.52 | victorvdl | ljp: I don't have a /dev/ram |
| 02:32.53 | ljp | hehe |
| 02:32.57 | ljp | oh |
| 02:33.03 | victorvdl | kergoth: that's too hard to fix... |
| 02:33.07 | kergoth | actually, probably wouldnt, given the flash blocks on the bootloader partition are locked |
| 02:33.09 | treke|home | victorvdl: rm /dev/touchscreen |
| 02:33.51 | victorvdl | treke|home: OK, did... |
| 02:33.59 | treke|home | now restart qtopia |
| 02:34.25 | victorvdl | treke|home: Ok, did that to... |
| 02:34.35 | treke|home | now throw your Z out the window |
| 02:35.00 | victorvdl | treke|home: K, jas... |
| 02:35.48 | victorvdl | treke|home: Ok, did that to. |
| 02:36.22 | ljp | no! send your z to me.. |
| 02:36.53 | victorvdl | ljp: Hmm... Ok, if you send me 400 bucks... |
| 02:37.18 | ljp | 400 male deer, huh?.. hmm... |
| 02:37.27 | victorvdl | treke|home: Sorry, ground level window and I already got my Z back. It flew 3 feet and landed on nice soft grass. |
| 02:38.01 | victorvdl | ljp: Yeah, or you could just send me 400 US dollars... |
| 02:38.06 | ljp | cat /dev/dsp1 >> /dev/fb0 |
| 02:38.19 | victorvdl | ljp: the dear are probably worth more... |
| 02:38.40 | ljp | I can send 400 US Monopoly dollars |
| 02:39.00 | victorvdl | ljp: Sorry, I already have plenty of those... |
| 02:39.29 | ljp | not the special Harley-Davidson Edition |
| 02:39.45 | victorvdl | ljp: I just reversed that command and ran it... |
| 02:40.01 | victorvdl | Sound nice... |
| 02:40.44 | ljp | try /dev/random >> /dev/fb0 |
| 02:40.56 | victorvdl | s/fb0/dsp |
| 02:41.07 | victorvdl | Dinner time... |
| 02:41.12 | ljp | you get pretty colors |
| 02:41.15 | victorvdl | Cy'all another time... |
| 02:46.00 | angry | that on the zaurus? |
| 02:50.14 | angry | hehe cat /dev/random makes my terminal all funny :) |
| 02:53.34 | treke|home | noiw redirect it to the frame buffer and it will make your lcd all funny |
| 03:01.45 | angry | i dunno how to do it on the Z |
| 03:01.48 | angry | it always says permission denied |
| 03:02.00 | angry | (using sharp rom) |
| 03:02.08 | kergoth | chmod 644 /dev/fb0; cat /dev/random > /dev/fb0 |
| 03:02.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:02.31 | angry | are all effects of this reversible? ;) |
| 03:02.31 | hobbs | ljp: vi -> vim is more like it. :) |
| 03:03.01 | kergoth | angry: of course |
| 03:03.20 | angry | just need to ctrl+c? |
| 03:03.32 | hobbs | preety. :) |
| 03:04.03 | kergoth | angry: it justs overwrites whats on the screen. all you have to do is do something that refreshes it |
| 03:04.09 | angry | ahh k |
| 03:05.09 | angry | /dev/fb0 permission denied |
| 03:05.10 | angry | heh |
| 03:06.07 | angry | brb testing nvidia drivers |
| 03:06.12 | angry | is there a command to restart X? |
| 03:06.18 | br33zy | yes |
| 03:06.22 | br33zy | control alt backspace |
| 03:06.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:06.34 | br33zy | :) |
| 03:06.34 | hobbs | lol. I think he tried it. :) |
| 03:06.34 | kergoth | hey br33zy |
| 03:06.38 | br33zy | hi kergoth |
| 03:06.47 | hobbs | kergoth: have you ever met krogoth? |
| 03:06.59 | kergoth | hobbs: only in games of total annihilation |
| 03:07.00 | br33zy | krogoth... odd |
| 03:07.01 | kergoth | hobbs: :D |
| 03:07.11 | br33zy | lol |
| 03:07.28 | br33zy | kergoth: you know the zaurus overclocker? |
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| 03:07.35 | kergoth | br33zy: i've seen it, yeah |
| 03:07.36 | br33zy | hi angry |
| 03:07.44 | kergoth | angry: wb |
| 03:07.49 | hobbs | I was wondering if anyone grabbed that and tried it. |
| 03:07.53 | br33zy | kergoth: do you know how it is possible to change the cpu frequency in C or asm, like they did.. |
| 03:07.58 | br33zy | or like he/she did |
| 03:08.01 | kergoth | br33zy: strace is your friend |
| 03:08.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:08.08 | br33zy | it cost like 4 dollars.. |
| 03:08.09 | br33zy | lol |
| 03:08.16 | kergoth | cpufreq exists in kernel space as a clock changer |
| 03:08.17 | angry | GOOD GOD IT WORKS! |
| 03:08.19 | treke|home | so buy it and find out :) |
| 03:08.19 | kergoth | not in 2.4.6 of course |
| 03:08.31 | kergoth | but in 2.4.19, cpufreq is there. havent tested it of course |
| 03:08.35 | angry | after 2 botched nvidia installations and 1 reinstall of redhat.. i can finally play bzflag at a good speed :) |
| 03:08.38 | angry | hehehe |
| 03:08.38 | hobbs | angry: what works this time? :) |
| 03:08.43 | angry | the nvidia drivers |
| 03:08.45 | hobbs | angry: sweet. |
| 03:08.51 | treke|home | kergoth: you sure? I remember seeing it for the ipaq in 2.4.6 |
| 03:08.57 | br33zy | angry: cool... ill play with you.. but i suck |
| 03:09.12 | hobbs | I think I'm going to try to compile Mesa with intel cc, to see if I can get bzflag playable on this thing. |
| 03:09.17 | br33zy | i have bzflag playing good, with dri or whatever its called.. |
| 03:09.18 | angry | actually havent tested it on bzflag yet |
| 03:09.20 | angry | but should work |
| 03:09.21 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:09.24 | kergoth | treke|home: yep, quite right |
| 03:09.28 | kergoth | treke|home: didnt realize |
| 03:09.38 | br33zy | lol |
| 03:09.51 | hobbs | it's definitely much newer than 2.4.6, though, must be a backport. |
| 03:10.08 | treke|home | 2.4.6 wasnt that old a kernel at the time :) |
| 03:10.11 | kergoth | hobbs: what is? |
| 03:10.17 | hobbs | cpufreq. |
| 03:10.24 | kergoth | arch/arm/mach-sa1100/cpu-sa1110.c exists |
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| 03:10.36 | kergoth | which is the bits for adjusting the sdram timings and the like on clock change, afaicr |
| 03:10.37 | hobbs | well. maybe it was maintained out of tree for a while. that happens. |
| 03:10.43 | treke|home | could be |
| 03:10.44 | kergoth | and that was in stock 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix |
| 03:10.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:11.35 | br33zy | hmmm |
| 03:11.38 | br33zy | :) |
| 03:13.05 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:13.22 | treke|home | give them a decent build system in return :) |
| 03:13.31 | kergoth | hah, theres an idea |
| 03:13.32 | angry | this is sooooo elite |
| 03:13.35 | angry | having good graphics |
| 03:13.36 | angry | hehe |
| 03:13.53 | treke|home | and possibly explain the concept of a sane release system |
| 03:14.16 | kergoth | hehe. i've never looked at theirs. how are they handling releases? |
| 03:14.35 | br33zy | lol |
| 03:14.41 | br33zy | @ angry |
| 03:15.11 | treke|home | kergoth: things like not adding new packages to already released distros. Not letting unstable get more out of date than a release |
| 03:15.23 | treke|home | little things |
| 03:15.38 | kergoth | unstable hasactually gotten out of date? |
| 03:15.39 | kergoth | eek |
| 03:15.46 | treke|home | kergoth: I've seen it happen :) |
| 03:15.56 | treke|home | dunno if it is the case right no |
| 03:16.01 | kergoth | wow |
| 03:16.04 | kergoth | that shouldnt be _possible_ |
| 03:16.10 | kergoth | they need a damn policy manual |
| 03:16.13 | kergoth | here a procedure, follow it |
| 03:16.14 | kergoth | type thing |
| 03:16.27 | kergoth | s/here/here's/ |
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| 03:20.00 | treke|home | frankly, I dont pay much attention to familiar now that the port is more or less complete |
| 03:20.53 | kergoth | what port? |
| 03:20.58 | treke|home | ipaq port |
| 03:21.03 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:21.18 | kergoth | i should make oz run on various ipaqs, just for shits |
| 03:21.28 | kergoth | would only take all of like 20 minutes |
| 03:21.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:21.32 | treke|home | all of the features of the hardware that I know of are supported ( except SD) |
| 03:22.41 | treke|home | if you do, let me know. I'll give it a look |
| 03:23.19 | kergoth | we need to improve the X support for OZ, thats the only part where its lacking |
| 03:24.03 | treke|home | hehe. do you build GPE and such? |
| 03:24.19 | kergoth | naw, the interest just wasnt there to add them to our build process |
| 03:24.29 | kergoth | adding it is easy enough, just nobody bothered |
| 03:24.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:26.06 | br33zy | yeah |
| 03:26.07 | br33zy | kergoth |
| 03:26.16 | br33zy | X would be awesome on the zaurus |
| 03:26.19 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:26.22 | kergoth | you can run X on the Z now |
| 03:26.23 | br33zy | if fully supported and working type thing |
| 03:26.24 | br33zy | :) |
| 03:26.26 | br33zy | i know you can. |
| 03:26.32 | br33zy | except QT is still around |
| 03:26.33 | kergoth | and it works |
| 03:26.35 | kergoth | huh? |
| 03:26.41 | kergoth | qt is around if you have it installed |
| 03:26.43 | kergoth | so uninstall it |
| 03:26.44 | oGMo | it would be more awesome if it were a transparent qtopia thing |
| 03:26.50 | kergoth | oGMo: ? |
| 03:27.01 | br33zy | kergoth: well i know, but it would be a bit easier if there was like an X rom without qtopia |
| 03:27.04 | br33zy | hehe |
| 03:27.13 | kergoth | i can build an X rom in about 5 minutes |
| 03:27.13 | br33zy | so qt wouldnt exsist in the first place.. |
| 03:27.18 | br33zy | cool |
| 03:27.19 | oGMo | kergoth: like, you had a Qtopia X server, and could run your apps over it |
| 03:27.22 | hobbs | kergoth: if you could have X without not having your other apps. :) |
| 03:27.26 | kergoth | oGMo: you can run opie apps on X |
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| 03:27.32 | br33zy | hmm |
| 03:27.32 | kergoth | hobbs: ? |
| 03:27.32 | oGMo | kergoth: ... |
| 03:27.32 | oGMo | hmm |
| 03:27.32 | br33zy | that would be interesting |
| 03:27.35 | hobbs | kergoth: nevermind. :) |
| 03:27.37 | br33zy | ibot |
| 03:27.38 | br33zy | ibot you suck |
| 03:27.40 | | :( |
| 03:27.40 | br33zy | lol |
| 03:27.40 | kergoth | oGMo: zecke made opie apps run in X |
| 03:27.42 | treke|home | oGMo: its called vnc server :) |
| 03:27.44 | oGMo | kergoth: nifty |
| 03:27.45 | kergoth | oGMo: few minor glitches, but it works |
| 03:27.46 | br33zy | ibot i was just kidding |
| 03:27.48 | | no idea, br33zy |
| 03:27.48 | oGMo | treke|home: blah :) |
| 03:27.49 | kergoth | or that |
| 03:27.52 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:27.57 | hobbs | treke|home: oh that's weird. :) |
| 03:28.05 | oGMo | i don't see what the big deal about X is though |
| 03:28.08 | datapurge | i want a zaurus! WAA |
| 03:28.12 | kergoth | ~fishslap datapurge for irc'ing as root |
| 03:28.16 | | ACTION slaps datapurge up side the head with a wet fish for irc'ing as root |
| 03:28.16 | oGMo | i mean it's neat but for regular use... ;) |
| 03:28.17 | br33zy | kergoth: it would be cool if you had like an X layer over qt, and if you ran an X application, X will come into action, kill qt, and start X with the app |
| 03:28.26 | br33zy | yet, i dont know if thats possible |
| 03:28.28 | kergoth | br33zy: pointless |
| 03:28.32 | br33zy | kergoth: why? |
| 03:28.33 | kergoth | br33zy: run X and run opie apps on it |
| 03:28.37 | kergoth | br33zy: or use a Xvnc server |
| 03:28.39 | br33zy | you can run opie apps on it? |
| 03:28.39 | oGMo | yeah |
| 03:28.42 | kergoth | yes. |
| 03:28.42 | br33zy | cool |
| 03:28.45 | br33zy | i didn't know that |
| 03:28.48 | br33zy | oh no kididng |
| 03:28.49 | datapurge | pfft |
| 03:28.58 | br33zy | thats like what i was saying but backwards.. lol |
| 03:29.06 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:29.09 | br33zy | because you can just run an app in X with -qws |
| 03:29.14 | br33zy | and it will start the qt server |
| 03:29.19 | br33zy | but will it kill the X server? |
| 03:29.20 | kergoth | i'm not talking about that. |
| 03:29.23 | br33zy | but nm.. |
| 03:29.25 | kergoth | it can *run* *in* *X* |
| 03:29.30 | br33zy | cool |
| 03:29.34 | br33zy | then it can run in X |
| 03:29.35 | br33zy | :) |
| 03:29.36 | kergoth | it links against qt/x11, not qt/e |
| 03:29.42 | br33zy | ohh |
| 03:29.50 | br33zy | so we dont have pure X11? |
| 03:29.54 | kergoth | pure X11? |
| 03:29.55 | kergoth | are you on crack? |
| 03:29.58 | br33zy | well |
| 03:29.58 | br33zy | like |
| 03:30.01 | br33zy | without |
| 03:30.02 | br33zy | but |
| 03:30.02 | br33zy | nm |
| 03:30.06 | kergoth | the apps you're using on your desktop now all require a toolkit |
| 03:30.06 | oGMo | then it causes your Z to transform into a FLYING PDA |
| 03:30.09 | kergoth | whether it be gtk |
| 03:30.09 | br33zy | i just realized something else |
| 03:30.10 | kergoth | or qt |
| 03:30.12 | kergoth | or what have you |
| 03:30.19 | kergoth | these apps happen to use qt |
| 03:30.21 | br33zy | yup yup. i understand now |
| 03:30.21 | kergoth | others will need gtk |
| 03:30.26 | br33zy | ok ok |
| 03:30.28 | br33zy | nm |
| 03:30.30 | br33zy | lol |
| 03:30.47 | oGMo | yeah. put X, gtk, and Qt on there, then... you don't have any space left |
| 03:30.48 | oGMo | ;) |
| 03:30.49 | br33zy | and im not on crack |
| 03:31.04 | oGMo | really? |
| 03:31.06 | oGMo | ;) |
| 03:31.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:31.26 | br33zy | kergoth: but if opie apps can run on X, wouldnt it be better just to have X instead of that qt interface? |
| 03:31.33 | kergoth | br33zy: ? |
| 03:31.38 | treke|home | then when you click on the icon, it loads the app in a vnc server |
| 03:31.38 | br33zy | i mean |
| 03:31.55 | br33zy | kergoth: you know the interface that you have when you turn your zaurus on? |
| 03:31.59 | br33zy | whatever that is |
| 03:32.00 | kergoth | br33zy: so why do 95% of your apps on your linux desktop not write just for X11? |
| 03:32.07 | br33zy | ? |
| 03:32.19 | kergoth | br33zy: they're written for gtk or qt or what have you |
| 03:32.20 | oGMo | i though VNC took way more bandwidth than just X |
| 03:32.24 | br33zy | kergoth: i mean, i would have blackbox running instead of that icon manager or whatever it is |
| 03:32.24 | kergoth | br33zy: a Z is just a fucking linux box |
| 03:32.27 | kergoth | br33zy: there is nothing special |
| 03:32.30 | oGMo | and was slower |
| 03:32.31 | br33zy | i know |
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| 03:32.33 | kergoth | br33zy: yes, you can run blackbox on your Z |
| 03:32.38 | kergoth | br33zy: i dont see where the confusion sets in. |
| 03:32.39 | LordDavon | Hello everyone. |
| 03:32.43 | kergoth | hey LordDavon |
| 03:32.43 | hobbs | oGMo: not true. Especially with tight. |
| 03:32.47 | br33zy | kergoth: i have a different view point |
| 03:32.51 | LordDavon | Heya kergoth. |
| 03:32.52 | oGMo | hobbs: k |
| 03:32.56 | hobbs | oGMo: vnc has a much better response time than X over my wlan. |
| 03:32.58 | br33zy | kergoth: i mean, how do you stop that icon manager thing that pops up? |
| 03:33.00 | kergoth | br33zy: the viewpoint of those without a clue? |
| 03:33.01 | treke|home | oGMo: you miss the point |
| 03:33.03 | kergoth | br33zy: thats opie. |
| 03:33.07 | br33zy | right opie |
| 03:33.08 | kergoth | br33zy: if you remove opie, that doesnt get started. |
| 03:33.08 | treke|home | oGMo: this isnt running over a network |
| 03:33.18 | kergoth | br33zy: where is the confusion? |
| 03:33.21 | oGMo | treke|home: run VNC _locally_? that's... evil |
| 03:33.27 | br33zy | kergoth: so opie has nothing to do with qt in general except it runs with it? |
| 03:33.28 | treke|home | oGMo: why? |
| 03:33.33 | kergoth | br33zy: opie uses the qt toolkit |
| 03:33.36 | br33zy | right |
| 03:33.38 | kergoth | br33zy: as does qtopia |
| 03:33.39 | kergoth | br33zy: and kde |
| 03:33.43 | br33zy | confusion is gone |
| 03:33.43 | kergoth | br33zy: and numerous other apps |
| 03:33.44 | br33zy | :) |
| 03:33.47 | oGMo | because it's moving data more than it needs to ;) |
| 03:33.47 | hobbs | oGMo: actually, it's built to be able to do that. :) |
| 03:33.52 | treke|home | br33zy: its a massive oversimplication, but yes thats true |
| 03:33.53 | oGMo | hobbs: hmm |
| 03:33.55 | kergoth | br33zy: opie right now, uses qt/embedded, not the usual qt/x11 |
| 03:34.04 | kergoth | br33zy: zecke made it work with the latter as well |
| 03:34.21 | br33zy | ok |
| 03:34.31 | treke|home | oGMo: until you can write a native X server for opie, that's the next best thing |
| 03:34.33 | br33zy | ok nm about the otherstuff than |
| 03:34.37 | oGMo | well it feels wrong to me but since you've both used it i believe you |
| 03:35.14 | treke|home | oGMo: the idea is that you dont want to have to shut down opie to use your X app |
| 03:35.21 | oGMo | treke|home: yeah |
| 03:35.36 | kergoth | LordDavon: the use of a local X vnc server and a local vnc client in opie to run X apps within opie |
| 03:35.50 | kergoth | LordDavon: and explanation of the fact that opie apps can run on X11 now |
| 03:35.54 | oGMo | treke|home: and then you could run your opie apps on qt/x11 through vnc on qt/e! |
| 03:36.04 | LordDavon | kergoth: Is that stable? |
| 03:36.05 | kergoth | oGMo: hehe |
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| 03:36.12 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.50 | angry | installing ut2003 now :) |
| 03:36.51 | oGMo | pretty much |
| 03:37.02 | oGMo | angry: on your Z? |
| 03:37.07 | angry | heh i wish |
| 03:37.09 | hobbs | I forgot about that, though, the hack to use keypebble and Xvnc. |
| 03:37.16 | angry | lol |
| 03:37.20 | hobbs | sick, but pretty cool. :) |
| 03:37.48 | LordDavon | kergoth: I know that qtopia/x had some stablility/compatibility issues. Minor, but they were there. |
| 03:38.07 | kergoth | LordDavon: yeah, there are a couple minor ones. still needs some finishing touches |
| 03:38.26 | joseywales | I keep getting this when trying to install SSH .ipk "libcrypto.so.0.9.6: cannot load shared object file no such file or directory." is there a .ipk for libcrypto? |
| 03:38.36 | kergoth | joseywales: ssh needs ssl |
| 03:38.48 | joseywales | ok so the ssl ipk |
| 03:39.05 | LordDavon | kergoth: I would think that it would have a bit larger footprint then standard QPE/QTE. |
| 03:39.23 | treke|home | LordDavon: naturally |
| 03:40.11 | LordDavon | hmmmm... With X we could get OpenGL working easily. ;) |
| 03:40.20 | treke|home | haha |
| 03:40.23 | treke|home | sure :) |
| 03:40.31 | treke|home | and what would you do with it? |
| 03:40.42 | LordDavon | GLMame port, of coarse. ;) |
| 03:40.49 | kergoth | consdiering the Z doesnt have any 3d acceleration in hardware that wouldnt gain you mcuh.. |
| 03:40.53 | kergoth | mcuh |
| 03:40.55 | kergoth | mUCH |
| 03:40.57 | kergoth | cantt ype |
| 03:40.59 | kergoth | blech |
| 03:41.03 | LordDavon | LMAO |
| 03:41.05 | hobbs | play bzflag, of course. |
| 03:41.30 | treke|home | LordDavon: doesnt mame have an SDL port? |
| 03:41.30 | LordDavon | I wonder if the Xscale has any MMX type instructions. |
| 03:41.58 | LordDavon | Yes treke. MaxMame is available for the Zaurus and uses SDL> |
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| 03:42.30 | treke|home | LordDavon: probably would be faster than glmame |
| 03:43.23 | LordDavon | treke: MaxMame is an excellent application. The author is way ahead of his time. It is the best application ever written for the Z, IMHO. ;) |
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| 03:43.57 | hobbs | I wish sig could speed up zfceu some. Not that I'm blaming him -- I tried myself, and couldn't break 27fps. |
| 03:44.46 | kergoth | haha, i was too |
| 03:45.01 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:45.23 | LordDavon | lol |
| 03:45.32 | kergoth | DAMNIT lineo, do you have to use magic numbers and globals -everywhere-? |
| 03:46.11 | LordDavon | treke: The idea isn't to have it run faster, but to have its additional features for certain games that it may use. |
| 03:46.49 | LordDavon | treke: FYI... I did MaxMame & MaxMess. |
| 03:46.54 | kergoth | if (!auto_power_cancel || ppp_connect_count > 0) { |
| 03:47.05 | kergoth | they used a global var in the kernel to track the number of open ppp connections? |
| 03:47.09 | kergoth | eww |
| 03:47.20 | oGMo | hhehehe |
| 03:47.21 | angry | damn ut2003 takes a while to install |
| 03:47.44 | SirPsycho-home | i would think it would be hard to see ut2003 on your zaurus =) |
| 03:47.57 | treke|home | not at all |
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| 03:48.01 | angry | but i've got a ZAURUS SCREEN ATTACHMENT |
| 03:48.01 | treke|home | opie-showimg and scrot |
| 03:48.33 | LordDavon | kergoth: You get the 2.4.18 kernel code yet? |
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| 03:50.19 | yesicanabus | what file systems can the zaurus read? |
| 03:50.41 | oGMo | whatever filesystems linux can |
| 03:50.58 | yesicanabus | well then fat32 can be read then |
| 03:51.11 | oGMo | which, incidentally, is a large number |
| 03:51.26 | oGMo | yesicanabus: yes, vfat etc. |
| 03:52.26 | yesicanabus | oGMo: do u run open z? |
| 03:52.40 | kergoth | LordDavon: nope |
| 03:53.59 | yesicanabus | can u update the sharp rom with a cf card? |
| 03:54.02 | LordDavon | Oh. I got an email from David over at SDL. He is fixing SDL to work on the native display for the C700. |
| 03:54.05 | kergoth | yesicanabus: yep, vfat can be read just fine. note that -only- fat16 can be used to flash w/ CF. |
| 03:54.11 | kergoth | LordDavon: excellent. |
| 03:54.41 | yesicanabus | kergoth: yea i formated my cf card from windows2000 and selected fat as the format opetion. is that fat16? |
| 03:54.50 | LordDavon | kergoth: Two units came in today for the Development team. I told Dynamism to go ahead and fill the backorders with them and to just give us two from the next batch. |
| 03:54.51 | kergoth | yesicanabus: probably.. |
| 03:55.09 | kergoth | LordDavon: cool cool, thats fine |
| 03:55.13 | kergoth | brb |
| 03:55.13 | yesicanabus | kergoth: well it still hangs at the sharp logo |
| 03:55.13 | LordDavon | kergoth: I don't want the development work to hurt there sales. |
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| 03:55.43 | LordDavon | there=their (friggin Captain Morgans) |
| 03:56.29 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:56.31 | kergoth | hm, speaking of alcohol.. i have no coke in the house |
| 03:56.50 | br33zy | coke is alchoholic? |
| 03:56.54 | br33zy | alcholic* |
| 03:56.56 | kergoth`brb | naw, need it to mix |
| 03:57.00 | kergoth`brb | heh |
| 03:57.01 | br33zy | ahh.. |
| 03:57.03 | br33zy | :) |
| 03:57.25 | br33zy | lo |
| 03:57.25 | br33zy | l |
| 03:57.28 | br33zy | but wait |
| 03:57.29 | br33zy | kergoth`brb: |
| 03:57.32 | br33zy | you forgot to shoot him |
| 03:57.34 | br33zy | oh.. |
| 03:57.35 | br33zy | i see |
| 03:57.42 | br33zy | his slave will do it for him... jk |
| 03:58.28 | br33zy | brb |
| 03:59.30 | yesicanabus | any one know if there is a sharp rom that can be installed from cf? |
| 04:05.04 | LordDavon | yesicanabus: Yes. It is downloadable from http://wwww.zaurus.com |
| 04:05.26 | LordDavon | heh |
| 04:06.12 | LordDavon | Compaq Ipaq is $699??? |
| 04:06.21 | br33zy | i know |
| 04:06.24 | br33zy | thats sooooo expensive |
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| 04:06.44 | br33zy | LordDavon: that is the original sharp rom? off zaurus.com? |
| 04:06.51 | angry | i was playing with that ipaq at officemax |
| 04:06.55 | angry | kinda sexy :( |
| 04:07.07 | br33zy | the slim one is cool |
| 04:07.09 | br33zy | i think.. |
| 04:07.48 | angry | so... close... to.. unreal.... tournament.. enligtenment |
| 04:08.15 | LordDavon | angry: I took the C700 to bestbuy the other day and none of the PDA's there could compare. You should have seen the salespeople. It was a riot. |
| 04:08.27 | kergoth`brb | treke|home: thanks for shootin em for me :) |
| 04:08.35 | LordDavon | br33zy: Yes. It is the sharp ROM. |
| 04:08.37 | angry | LordDavon: hehe |
| 04:08.39 | kergoth`brb | canadian whiskey + cherry coke. good stuff. |
| 04:08.51 | br33zy | LordDavon: what is the file called, OSROM or something? |
| 04:08.56 | LordDavon | OSROM |
| 04:08.57 | br33zy | OSPACK |
| 04:09.01 | br33zy | i mean |
| 04:09.06 | angry | LordDavon: i can't complain about bestbuy right now, i just got a sweet dcf660 wlan cf card for $60 a few days ago ;) |
| 04:09.14 | LordDavon | OSPACK. You can download the whole CDrom. |
| 04:09.15 | angry | err $40 |
| 04:09.25 | br33zy | k |
| 04:09.39 | br33zy | brb |
| 04:09.51 | LordDavon | angry: I live at bestbuy. They love me there. With all my kewl toys and the fact that I do web review, they flock me when I arrive. |
| 04:10.36 | sheenmaster | is 32mb of ram enough to run konqueror? |
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| 04:17.16 | angry | yay it works |
| 04:17.20 | angry | but mouse movement is lagged :-/ |
| 04:17.42 | sheenmaster | angry: buy a mac. 0 mouse lag to date in Linux. |
| 04:18.11 | angry | but why does it lag in ut2003 but not just in gnome |
| 04:18.16 | angry | *not in gnome |
| 04:18.22 | sheenmaster | angry: not sure. |
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| 04:25.52 | treke|home | angry: because your system is being hit harder in ut2003 than in gmome |
| 04:26.55 | sheenmaster | treke|home: is there a mouse process that he could set to top-priority? |
| 04:27.15 | sheenmaster | treke|home: it would kill his UT framerate, but might help to move it up just a bit |
| 04:27.46 | sheenmaster | treke|home: I'm on inputcore kernel not daemon controled for my mice on this computer |
| 04:27.50 | treke|home | sheenmaster: probably more a matter of how often UT takes the time to check the mouse |
| 04:28.41 | sheenmaster | treke|home: if it was open source, he could raise the priority of that thread. |
| 04:28.57 | treke|home | uhm. yeah |
| 04:29.00 | sheenmaster | treke|home: the truth, not a rant |
| 04:31.19 | treke|home | and if it were open source I could make it run faster on a tnt2 |
| 04:32.56 | sheenmaster | treke|home: and we could all bitch less by moving the weapons over to lxdoom |
| 04:36.04 | hobbs | prboom! |
| 04:38.39 | sheenmaster | anyone know why my zaurus stays at 2mb/s over CF |
| 04:38.44 | sheenmaster | 802.11b |
| 04:38.45 | sheenmaster | ? |
| 04:42.12 | treke|home | 2 megabit or megabyte? |
| 04:42.27 | sheenmaster | megabit/second |
| 04:42.33 | treke|home | dunno there :) |
| 04:42.36 | sheenmaster | it's only 8 feet from my wap |
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| 05:05.12 | Titan | I use Opie Player, but I keep getting "low memory" messages. Does anyone know if tkcVideo does things like this? |
| 05:06.16 | treke|home | probably not |
| 05:07.33 | Titan | because I need something that can support lots of media types |
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| 05:08.05 | Titan | anyway, thanks |
| 05:08.20 | kergoth | hey mandrake |
| 05:08.35 | mandrake | howdy |
| 05:08.47 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 05:09.33 | mandrake | tired |
| 05:09.39 | mandrake | been travelling basically nonstop for the last 5 weeks or so |
| 05:10.40 | kergoth | damn |
| 05:11.06 | treke|home | wow. scummvm is getting initial support for monkey island 3 |
| 05:13.02 | mandrake | atlanta, vegas, nashville, my wife's family in nowhere florida |
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| 05:26.37 | zeronett | hey everyone |
| 05:28.26 | zeronett | is there a way to make my laptop act as an access point so i dont have to buy a real access point? |
| 05:31.23 | leaves | zeronett: through the cradle? I don't know the answer.. but would be curious as well. I feel as if you can't though. |
| 05:32.38 | zeronett | see, i have a wireless card for my laptop and the only place at school i dont have a wireless connection is in my room, so i really dont want to buy an access point |
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| 05:41.43 | Momentzero | kergoth can you point me to a place to download zgcc |
| 05:42.49 | leaves | zeronett: ya.. that would be handy :) |
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| 05:46.39 | Momentzero | ok can anyone point me to a place to download zgcc |
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| 05:58.27 | victorvdl | What books (ebooks or paper) would y'all reccomend for general info/tutorial on Linux programming? |
| 05:58.44 | oGMo | Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment |
| 05:58.50 | oGMo | and Unix Network Programming |
| 05:58.59 | oGMo | both W Richard Stevens (RIP) |
| 05:59.14 | victorvdl | oGMo: How 'bout basic stuff? |
| 05:59.20 | oGMo | victorvdl: that is the basic stuff |
| 05:59.22 | oGMo | all of it |
| 05:59.48 | oGMo | trust me... it's got every API function and example for each |
| 05:59.56 | victorvdl | oGMo: ok, cool. |
| 06:00.33 | victorvdl | How 'bout QT programming? |
| 06:00.51 | treke|home | victorvdl: doc.trolltech.com |
| 06:01.34 | oGMo | yeah |
| 06:04.42 | victorvdl | What's a good book for basic beginner C++ for someone who speak php/python/html/ruby? |
| 06:07.38 | victorvdl | oGMo: btw, does that book cover stuff like configure scripts and so forth? |
| 06:11.56 | oGMo | victorvdl: no |
| 06:12.02 | oGMo | victorvdl: fro that you want ORA autobook |
| 06:12.06 | oGMo | available online iirc |
| 06:12.12 | oGMo | or just info -f autoconf and automake |
| 06:12.39 | oGMo | but autobook is a lot easier i think |
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| 06:15.09 | victorvdl | oGMo: yea, its at source.redhat.com/autobook |
| 06:15.19 | victorvdl | s/source/sources |
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| 06:28.22 | smbj | bah |
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| 07:38.55 | yesicanabus | any one around? |
| 07:40.25 | nagROM | i'm around. |
| 07:40.28 | nagROM | kinda. |
| 07:40.37 | yesicanabus | ok well do u happen to use open zaurus? |
| 07:40.44 | nagROM | 3.1rc1. |
| 07:41.00 | yesicanabus | ok well do u by chance have a wlan card? |
| 07:41.15 | nagROM | linksys wc12. |
| 07:41.25 | yesicanabus | good same one as mee |
| 07:41.33 | yesicanabus | every time i go into the network setings |
| 07:42.04 | nagROM | get the network setting ipk from the unstable feed. |
| 07:42.18 | yesicanabus | how do i do that? |
| 07:42.26 | nagROM | openzaurus.org. |
| 07:42.29 | yesicanabus | and did u have the dns server problem too? |
| 07:42.47 | nagROM | i had all kinds of problems. |
| 07:42.56 | nagROM | did you go through the install process? |
| 07:43.12 | nagROM | theres a bunch of shit i had to do to get the card working right. |
| 07:43.38 | nagROM | it wasn't plug and play for me. |
| 07:43.55 | yesicanabus | well the only problem i am haveing is ever time i set the dns servers and go back in they are gone |
| 07:44.32 | yesicanabus | what is the file called that i need to get? |
| 07:45.09 | nagROM | i don't know. opie-netsetup or something. |
| 07:45.15 | yesicanabus | ok |
| 07:45.15 | nagROM | look in the files list. |
| 07:45.41 | nagROM | do you use dhcp to get the zaurus on the network? |
| 07:45.49 | yesicanabus | no static |
| 07:45.54 | yesicanabus | brb |
| 07:45.56 | nagROM | the netsetup is fuckey. |
| 07:46.52 | nagROM | you can also edit /etc/network/interfaces and not fuck with the netsetup at all. |
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| 07:47.39 | nagROM | hah. |
| 07:47.59 | nagROM | bluntmana and yesicanIbus. |
| 07:48.49 | nagROM | you can also edit /etc/network/interfaces and not fuck with the netsetup at all. i don't know if you got that. |
| 07:49.43 | bluntmana | ok |
| 07:49.51 | bluntmana | what is the seting for the dns servers? |
| 07:50.09 | nagROM | whatever your dns servers are. |
| 07:50.40 | bluntmana | no i meen is it dnsserver=myserver or wha?t |
| 07:51.36 | nagROM | up changedns -s dnsserver dnsserver |
| 07:51.44 | nagROM | is what mine says for usb. |
| 07:51.50 | nagROM | i use dhcp for wlan. |
| 07:52.02 | bluntmana | ok let me try that |
| 07:53.22 | nagROM | otherwise ask in linuxhelp. they would know more. |
| 07:53.33 | nagROM | it's works the same way desktops do. |
| 07:54.11 | bluntmana | yea i know. to bad kergoth isnt here he would know |
| 07:54.25 | nagROM | no shit. he fixes all my problems. |
| 07:54.32 | nagROM | well all my zaurus related problems. |
| 07:54.59 | bluntmana | when ever i try and do ping www.dslreports.com |
| 07:55.08 | bluntmana | it says host name lookup failure |
| 07:56.17 | nagROM | try it with dhcp and see if that works. |
| 07:56.24 | bluntmana | k |
| 07:56.35 | nagROM | are you connecting through a linux box or through a windows box? |
| 07:57.16 | bluntmana | how do u mean? |
| 07:57.33 | bluntmana | iv got an actual access point that i use |
| 07:57.46 | nagROM | do you use one of those ap routers? |
| 07:57.53 | nagROM | or an ap attached to a computer. |
| 07:58.14 | bluntmana | no its an access point atatched to my switches |
| 07:58.28 | bluntmana | i can ping computers inside my own lan just not on the net |
| 07:58.45 | nagROM | what are you setting the dns servers as? |
| 07:59.09 | bluntmana | what i set all my other computers on the lan to 166.102.165.11 |
| 07:59.40 | nagROM | alot of people set the dns as the ip of their gateway. |
| 08:00.16 | bluntmana | well i dont think that would help eather. for some reson this thing isnt remembering my dns settings at all |
| 08:00.41 | nagROM | thats the problem most people have. they set their dns to the ip of the gateway. |
| 08:01.00 | nagROM | did you get the netsetup ipk? |
| 08:02.06 | bluntmana | yea and i upgraded |
| 08:02.09 | bluntmana | it still dose it |
| 08:03.39 | bluntmana | this is realy weird |
| 08:03.45 | nagROM | from the unstable? |
| 08:03.52 | bluntmana | yep from unstable |
| 08:04.09 | nagROM | try the testing one. not to be a pain in the ass. |
| 08:04.21 | bluntmana | i did manage to get the dns servers into the file by adding them with a text file but still cant ping dslreports.co0m |
| 08:04.23 | bluntmana | com |
| 08:05.58 | bluntmana | they are the same file in unstable and testing |
| 08:07.12 | nagROM | i take it it also doesn't work with dhcp? |
| 08:07.57 | bluntmana | nope dosent work with dhcp eather |
| 08:09.21 | nagROM | i suggest you ask in linuxhelp if there is anyone in there. |
| 08:10.55 | bluntmana | ill probably just wate tell kergoth gets on tomarow and he will know im sure |
| 08:11.10 | bluntmana | any idea if there is a working xmms for 3.0? |
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| 08:11.42 | nagROM | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=4862&hl=wcf12 |
| 08:11.51 | nagROM | wouldn't know. i use op2. |
| 08:12.14 | bluntmana | op2? |
| 08:12.21 | nagROM | yeh. the opie media player. |
| 08:12.29 | bluntmana | oh dose it work nice? |
| 08:12.41 | bluntmana | and is there a gui for the smbmount program? |
| 08:12.48 | nagROM | yeh. if you use it for too long it makes tons of memory errors. |
| 08:12.51 | nagROM | no. |
| 08:12.57 | nagROM | doesn't really need on. |
| 08:13.44 | nagROM | that link was the wrong one. |
| 08:13.50 | bluntmana | how do i mount a win share? |
| 08:16.10 | nagROM | http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/Administration/DancingTheSamba/DancingTheSamba2/page4.html |
| 08:16.45 | nagROM | mount -t smbfs //computer/share /mnt/mntpoint |
| 08:17.09 | nagROM | i don't remember if thats correct for the zaurus since i don't use samba. |
| 08:17.36 | nagROM | i mostly just use the wifi card for stumbling. |
| 08:18.03 | bluntmana | yea i use mine for that too but i like to listen to mp3s when im going to bed hehe |
| 08:18.22 | nagROM | hah. |
| 08:18.32 | nagROM | just run a shoutcast server and connect to it. |
| 08:18.43 | nagROM | streaming mp3's. thats what i do. |
| 08:18.49 | bluntmana | hehe there u go but then i cant switch songs can u ? |
| 08:19.05 | nagROM | yeh. theres web based control programs. |
| 08:19.23 | nagROM | hold on i will find out which one i use. |
| 08:19.41 | nagROM | btw(thats why i stumble) it's nice to have a controllable radio station. |
| 08:20.12 | bluntmana | yea |
| 08:20.32 | nagROM | thats not the only reason. but it's my favourite. |
| 08:20.35 | bluntmana | now i got to find a web broswer that works with open z |
| 08:20.50 | nagROM | do you have a linux box? |
| 08:21.00 | nagROM | you can rip opera out and install on oz. |
| 08:21.13 | nagROM | or you you can do it if you have the sharp rom installed. |
| 08:21.20 | bluntmana | what can play streaming music and yea but only for my web server. i think there is a ver out for 3.0 |
| 08:23.04 | nagROM | i was going to say if you wanted to install the sharp rom there is a program to rip opera and jeode and turn them into ipks to install on oz. |
| 08:23.14 | nagROM | otherwise you can use konq embedded. |
| 08:23.38 | bluntmana | yea thats what i grabed |
| 08:23.46 | nagROM | http://www.ulfco.com/webamp/ |
| 08:23.53 | bluntmana | k |
| 08:23.56 | nagROM | i use konq/e. |
| 08:24.39 | br33zy | nagROM: did you write that? |
| 08:24.46 | nagROM | sure didn't. |
| 08:24.50 | br33zy | heh.. |
| 08:25.01 | br33zy | just wanted to say, thats a good idea.. what that guy wrote |
| 08:25.06 | nagROM | i use it to have a roving radio station. |
| 08:25.21 | br33zy | cool |
| 08:26.02 | nagROM | heh. my 20 year old keyboard is starting to crap out on me. |
| 08:26.48 | bluntmana | dose it work with 3.0? |
| 08:26.56 | nagROM | no. |
| 08:27.15 | nagROM | 3.0 is pretty short on plugins. |
| 08:27.24 | bluntmana | hehe they need some more |
| 08:27.29 | br33zy | gtg |
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| 08:28.14 | nagROM | yup. still new. should have made some translation plugin so 3.0 would be more backwards compatable |
| 08:29.23 | nagROM | fuck yeh. found a new one on ebay. |
| 08:29.28 | nagROM | i love these damn keyboards. |
| 08:29.34 | bluntmana | what keyboards? |
| 08:29.40 | nagROM | ibm model m. |
| 08:29.53 | bluntmana | oh the big ones hehe |
| 08:29.57 | bluntmana | i had one once |
| 08:29.58 | nagROM | they are older than the hills but i seriously think they were made from titanium. |
| 08:30.18 | bluntmana | yea the one i had i trashed it took me 3 hours to kill it |
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| 08:30.29 | nagROM | oh man. thats wrong. |
| 08:30.39 | nagROM | theres nothing as good as this keyboard. |
| 08:31.09 | bluntmana | hehe yea i didnt know what it was at the time |
| 08:31.29 | nagROM | i went through 3 microsoft naturals till i realized i could make my model m "ergonomic" |
| 08:32.10 | nagROM | http://www.3m3718.com/modelm.php |
| 08:32.13 | bluntmana | how did u make it ergonmic and i use microsoft naturals too |
| 08:32.21 | nagROM | cut it in half. |
| 08:32.49 | bluntmana | hehe |
| 08:33.17 | nagROM | resoldered the contacts and bling the natural keyboard from hell. |
| 08:33.54 | bluntmana | hehe thats cool u should take some pics |
| 08:34.04 | nagROM | i will get around to it at some point. |
| 08:34.23 | nagROM | check morganhocking.com in a while. |
| 08:34.26 | nagROM | i will post some picks. |
| 08:34.28 | nagROM | pics |
| 08:34.37 | bluntmana | k |
| 08:34.56 | nagROM | i have some pictures of the process somewhere. |
| 08:35.10 | nagROM | each side of the keyboard weighs about as much as a natural keyboard. |
| 08:35.51 | nagROM | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4706&item=2083251321 |
| 08:36.42 | nagROM | they have a vertical curvature that makes them alot more comfortable. |
| 08:37.09 | nagROM | and they click. |
| 08:37.10 | bluntmana | yea they are nice. i wish the microsoft one was made the same way |
| 08:37.39 | nagROM | remember that macintosh split keyboard from a long time ago? |
| 08:37.53 | bluntmana | yea i think so |
| 08:38.12 | nagROM | i want to make something like that with this keyboard. |
| 08:38.21 | nagROM | it had two ball mounts at the bottom. |
| 08:38.29 | nagROM | so you could adjust the angle of the keyboard. |
| 08:38.41 | bluntmana | yea they were nice |
| 08:38.53 | nagROM | don't know if it ever made it to production. |
| 08:40.49 | bluntmana | i saw one once but only one |
| 08:53.26 | bluntmana | man I cant get the smbmount stuff working |
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| 10:13.49 | mark | ibot: seen killefiz |
| 10:13.55 | | killefiz <~sven@ach9-d9bba9bc.pool.mediaWays.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 3d 22h 15m 58s ago, saying: 'there is a new type of change, a "minor" change which doesn't update the changed-date (for fixed typos etc)'. |
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| 10:15.29 | mark | are there any killefiz people about? |
| 10:15.41 | badl | how do you mean killefiz people? |
| 10:15.47 | mark | badl: admins |
| 10:16.09 | badl | whats the problem? |
| 10:16.42 | mark | badl: change number 37 hasn't been administered |
| 10:16.52 | mark | for about a week |
| 10:17.29 | badl | ic |
| 10:17.56 | mark | badl: are you an admin? |
| 10:18.02 | badl | no |
| 10:18.05 | mark | ah :S |
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| 10:26.58 | mark | ibot: keymap |
| 10:27.00 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/intimate/latest/release/usr/X11R6/include/keymap |
| 10:27.07 | mark | ibot: zaurus keymap |
| 10:27.09 | | mark: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:27.10 | mark | ibot: zaurus keys |
| 10:27.12 | | mark: no idea |
| 10:27.19 | mark | grr, anyone nknow what the Home key is mapped to? |
| 10:36.43 | mark | F12 heh |
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| 10:37.49 | tkp | Scott Rup is a theif |
| 10:39.01 | tkp | What version of Java are you running ? might not have supported routine. |
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| 13:12.02 | Twiun | wtf was tkp talking about? |
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| 13:47.57 | George- | yo all |
| 13:48.14 | Twiun | hiya George- |
| 13:48.24 | George- | btw - I've got 50 Zaurii each with a 32MB CF card, they're carded. Anyone want 'em? :) |
| 13:48.28 | George- | mwahahaha |
| 13:48.29 | George- | lol |
| 13:48.47 | George- | (That's a joke, btw - don't kline me) |
| 14:12.14 | TheMasterMind1 | George- heh |
| 14:12.41 | Twiun | ~lart George- |
| 14:12.54 | Twiun | bah. why do I always get the crap ones? |
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| 14:23.10 | Twiun | hey Shayde |
| 14:24.19 | Shayde | mornin twiun. how goes? |
| 14:24.51 | Twiun | bad... still having the heap corruption |
| 14:25.00 | Twiun | looking for dmalloc for arm atm |
| 14:29.20 | Twiun | hrmph, looks like I'll have to compile from source |
| 14:53.56 | troffasky | anyone know where I can get a connector that fits in the "Sharp I/O Port", and a pinout diagram while you're at it :-P |
| 14:59.23 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:59.37 | TheMasterMind1 | check the sharp developer2developer board |
| 14:59.42 | TheMasterMind1 | theres some links on there |
| 14:59.46 | Bovine | y? |
| 14:59.47 | Bovine | url? |
| 14:59.57 | Shayde | isn't that port just a serial port? |
| 15:00.07 | Shayde | which can also be a USB client port? |
| 15:00.19 | Bovine | it's the connector that's the problem... |
| 15:01.08 | Shayde | i was just curious of what it could do. There was always talk on the Newton boards of the newton port connector which theoretically had 2 serial ports on it, but no one could expain how :) |
| 15:04.02 | troffasky | TheMasterMind1: You talking about zaurus.com/dev? |
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| 15:19.19 | TheMasterMind1 | troffasky no |
| 15:19.25 | TheMasterMind1 | troffasky the devel2devel is another board |
| 15:19.32 | TheMasterMind1 | on a japanese site |
| 15:21.12 | troffasky | ah |
| 15:21.56 | troffasky | The URL of which is....? |
| 15:24.11 | TheMasterMind1 | its on my laptop |
| 15:24.14 | TheMasterMind1 | not handy |
| 15:24.19 | troffasky | oh well |
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| 15:28.46 | Com[Plex] | ahhaah |
| 15:28.52 | Com[Plex] | this is probably OFN, but anyway, http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/theories/win95.htm |
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| 15:39.00 | briaman_ | hello |
| 15:40.21 | briaman_ | hello leaves |
| 15:40.31 | leaves | ahoy hoy briaman_ |
| 15:40.44 | kergoth | Shayde: its a single serial port, the usb device connection, and a jtag interface. thats it. |
| 15:40.58 | briaman_ | ah - there is life |
| 15:42.19 | briaman_ | do what zaurus' do people have here? |
| 15:42.36 | leaves | briaman_: 5500 |
| 15:43.28 | briaman_ | cool - mines the SL5000D that I picked up when they first come out. Not done much with it though. you? |
| 15:44.43 | leaves | briaman_: not really. I just got it on wed. :) |
| 15:45.53 | briaman_ | as in wrapped up in paper? Delivered by a portly man in a red suit? |
| 15:47.19 | leaves | briaman_: tis true.. very happy with his decision :) |
| 15:47.55 | troffasky | kergorth: What's JTAG? |
| 15:49.03 | leaves | briaman_: :) I almost got the 5600 too, but couldn't get it from japan :) |
| 15:49.54 | briaman_ | i didn't even know there was a 5600 |
| 15:50.39 | leaves | briaman_: yah.. it's brand new.. basically the 5000D/5500 with an extra 32 megs RAM, and an XScale 400mHz processor. |
| 15:50.45 | leaves | briaman_: crazy :) |
| 15:51.13 | briaman_ | wow! that's a step up from mine |
| 15:52.29 | lsmith | integrated mic and mono speaker too |
| 15:52.35 | leaves | briaman_: yah.. the 5500 is 206mhz processor, and 64 RAM. |
| 15:52.38 | lsmith | almost double the battery too |
| 15:52.47 | leaves | lsmith: really? I want that battery :) |
| 15:52.49 | TheMasterMind1 | leaves no, its half the ram and double the flash |
| 15:52.55 | briaman_ | sounds cool - how much are they? |
| 15:52.55 | TheMasterMind1 | with an xscale shitprocessor |
| 15:52.58 | lsmith | 1700 instead of 950 |
| 15:53.10 | leaves | TheMasterMind1: ahhh... didn't know that. |
| 15:53.19 | lsmith | battery size that is |
| 15:54.16 | leaves | lsmith: is it backwords compatible? |
| 15:54.34 | lsmith | no idea .. i heard that there is a little bump in the back now |
| 15:54.41 | lsmith | so i assume that the battery lit will not fit |
| 15:55.01 | lsmith | dunno if the battery itself will fit |
| 15:55.16 | lsmith | or how easy it would be to get a battery lit from the 5600 as a replacement part |
| 15:55.33 | briaman_ | what's wrong with the xscale processor? |
| 15:55.54 | lsmith | it has a bug |
| 15:56.03 | lsmith | which causes it to have crappy memory performance |
| 15:56.19 | briaman_ | eew - not good |
| 15:56.44 | briaman_ | so why did it get used? |
| 15:56.47 | lsmith | other than that you need to recompile your apps to make real use of the added features |
| 15:57.11 | lsmith | well there is one pda that I know of that makes good use of the xscale cpu |
| 15:57.35 | lsmith | which means its faster (execpt in memory intensive tasks) and uses less battey power than a strongarm cpu |
| 15:57.51 | briaman_ | what new features? I'm totally ignorant |
| 15:58.12 | lsmith | so the flaw is not that critical .. |
| 15:58.22 | lsmith | the pda i am speaking about is the top of the line asus pda |
| 15:58.36 | lsmith | in short: faster and less batter consumption |
| 15:59.06 | briaman_ | so I guess you need to write apps without using linked lists, trees and pointers - just sticking to simple data types |
| 15:59.11 | lsmith | but for some reason all other xscale pda's i have seen benchmarked fall flat on their noses compared to older models |
| 15:59.34 | lsmith | well the asus is a pocket pc just like all the other xscale pda#s i have seen tested |
| 15:59.44 | lsmith | i dont know what they did .. but it sure helped |
| 16:00.14 | treke|home | thet could be using a fixed version of the CPU |
| 16:00.17 | lsmith | fyi: i am baseing my knowledge on the reviews and benchmarks i have read in the german c't mag |
| 16:00.35 | lsmith | treke: well the c't mag has not found out yet for all i know |
| 16:00.53 | lsmith | but i am pretty sure its not a fixed version, because that would have been announced |
| 16:01.13 | briaman_ | is the slow memory access on read and write or is it just writing that's slow? |
| 16:01.13 | lsmith | treke: also the memory performance on the asus is still suboptimal |
| 16:01.22 | lsmith | briaman_: dunno |
| 16:01.52 | treke|home | reading is probably pretty slow, since one of the issues was cache related |
| 16:01.55 | lsmith | also i have not seen reviews of the 5600 |
| 16:02.02 | lsmith | would be very interesting to see ... |
| 16:02.37 | lsmith | one of the biggest problems of the pocket pc xscale pda's is that ms pocket 2002 has not been recompiled for xscale ye |
| 16:02.40 | lsmith | +t |
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| 16:03.13 | George- | re |
| 16:03.18 | TheMasterMind1 | the xscale is just a shitty processor |
| 16:03.28 | George- | I know |
| 16:03.33 | George- | I think everyone knows ;) |
| 16:03.34 | TheMasterMind1 | you can see the screen refresh on the c700 |
| 16:03.45 | briaman_ | i thought the zaurus was all linux. how would we get MS pocket 2002 |
| 16:04.01 | TheMasterMind1 | though, that's actually because of the fact that all the pim apps are on fastload and there's no ram |
| 16:04.11 | TheMasterMind1 | briaman_ we wouldn't |
| 16:04.19 | TheMasterMind1 | we wouldn't want to either |
| 16:04.26 | George- | TheMasterMind1: on the C700 you see the screen refresh??? |
| 16:04.31 | briaman_ | i agree |
| 16:04.41 | TheMasterMind1 | George- that is what i just said. |
| 16:04.43 | George- | Is anyone gonna put the ATI Imageon gfx card in a PDA.. ever? |
| 16:04.47 | George- | ;) |
| 16:05.42 | treke|home | George-: toshiba |
| 16:05.56 | briaman_ | so do people here do development? |
| 16:05.57 | George- | treke|home: that runs Linux :) |
| 16:06.10 | treke|home | George-: fat chance |
| 16:06.40 | leaves | I've got a question about the zaurus. Now this is mostly for curiosity sakes.. so please don't say "Why would you want it?" :) Is it possible to have WinCE on the Zaurus? And if so, can you boot it off of a CF card? |
| 16:06.46 | George- | briaman_: yes |
| 16:06.56 | George- | leaves: no |
| 16:07.10 | treke|home | leaves: nope |
| 16:07.27 | leaves | okie. thanks. |
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| 16:08.32 | George- | is the Imageon any good? |
| 16:09.12 | briaman_ | so how do you get linux tcp/ip to work over usb? I tried when I first got my zaurus but never got it working right. I have to transfer files with a cf reader attached to my box |
| 16:09.52 | victorvdl | briaman_: is usbdnet compiled into your kernel? |
| 16:10.02 | leaves | can you do tcp/ip network through the cradle? |
| 16:10.06 | kergoth | ibot: tell briaman_ about howtos |
| 16:10.12 | kergoth | ibot: tell leaves about howtos |
| 16:10.14 | briaman_ | not currently |
| 16:10.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:10.31 | briaman_ | cheers kergoth |
| 16:10.32 | leaves | awesome.. thanks |
| 16:10.45 | kergoth | np |
| 16:12.04 | George- | kergoth: RTFM |
| 16:12.20 | George- | =) |
| 16:12.43 | kergoth | hey George- |
| 16:13.01 | George- | briaman_: it doesn't |
| 16:13.15 | George- | briaman_: it stands for what kergoth normally means it to be :) |
| 16:13.18 | leaves | hey. OT: anyone have a cgi script that will put links on a website? I've got one.. but it does "too much" I just want to show the 10 newest links on a side bar, and then have an archive by date of all the links (or maybe by category.. not date) |
| 16:13.59 | leaves | since we were talking about links and all.. :) |
| 16:14.32 | victorvdl | leaves: rtg... |
| 16:14.33 | George- | briaman_: I think we all do =P |
| 16:15.12 | leaves | victorvdl: rtg? something about google? :) I'm there. |
| 16:15.17 | briaman_ | it obviously means Fantastic |
| 16:15.27 | briaman_ | Fabulous? |
| 16:15.33 | George- | Fucking |
| 16:15.38 | George- | =P |
| 16:15.42 | kergoth | George-: he's a smartass |
| 16:15.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:15.44 | victorvdl | leaves: Yea, read the google... |
| 16:15.44 | briaman_ | ah |
| 16:16.16 | leaves | victorvdl: where would we be without google? I'd be fucked ;) |
| 16:16.26 | George- | kergoth: briaman_? |
| 16:16.35 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:16.42 | George- | I thought you meant j0sh =P |
| 16:16.44 | kergoth | mmm google |
| 16:16.49 | George- | mmm froogle |
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| 16:17.47 | briaman_ | cheers all. I'm off to RTFM. be back later |
| 16:17.55 | George- | briaman_: see ya |
| 16:17.59 | George- | RTFM =P |
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| 16:20.54 | leaves | does anyone recommend me not putting little sticky velcro squares on the back of my 5500? I got case.. and that's how it holds them on.... |
| 16:24.05 | lsmith | George-: the toshiba pda's dont really make good use of the imageon for all i know |
| 16:24.17 | lsmith | the toshiba would be very cool to get linux on |
| 16:24.19 | mark | hi George- |
| 16:24.42 | George- | hey mark |
| 16:25.00 | George- | lsmith: hrmm |
| 16:25.08 | George- | lsmith: the PDA or the OS? :) |
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| 16:39.31 | George- | ARGH! |
| 16:39.33 | George- | AOL USER! |
| 16:40.44 | Twiun | be nice - AOL users have money, just like everyone else and deserve respect (if only because they have no choice) ;-) |
| 16:40.57 | George- | Twiun: no! |
| 16:41.00 | George- | lol |
| 16:41.47 | George- | AOL users are evil |
| 16:41.51 | George- | EVIL I SAY! |
| 16:41.56 | George- | EVIL! |
| 16:42.43 | Twiun | But they have money to spend! |
| 16:42.46 | Twiun | cultivate them! |
| 16:42.52 | Twiun | for the money! |
| 16:42.56 | Twiun | !! |
| 16:43.12 | George- | EVIL!!! |
| 16:44.26 | George- | NOO |
| 16:44.39 | George- | death to AOL arses! |
| 16:47.40 | Twiun | #ifndef MEMWATCH |
| 16:47.40 | Twiun | #error "You really, really don't want to run this without memwatch. Trust me." |
| 16:47.40 | Twiun | #endif |
| 16:47.43 | Twiun | lol |
| 16:48.00 | Com[Plex] | anyone know the guy who wrote tickypip ? |
| 16:48.16 | Com[Plex] | "Chris Hammond" ? |
| 16:49.12 | Com[Plex] | might be called "Chipx86" |
| 16:49.40 | George`Sega | the guy that wrote the billiardz? |
| 16:50.02 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 16:50.05 | Com[Plex] | thats the one |
| 16:50.10 | George`Sega | yeh, I used to know him |
| 16:50.11 | George`Sega | why? |
| 16:50.15 | Com[Plex] | I wanted to ask him some questions about tickypip. |
| 16:50.19 | Com[Plex] | report a bug, etc |
| 16:50.20 | George`Sega | He used to hang out on WebNet's #Linux iirc |
| 16:50.26 | Com[Plex] | extend kudos as well |
| 16:50.43 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 16:50.52 | Com[Plex] | I think Ill send him a kudos |
| 16:50.58 | Com[Plex] | I mean, emailo |
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| 17:11.35 | George`Sega | wth is the load average? |
| 17:12.29 | Dilb | hi |
| 17:14.12 | Com[Plex] | HI!!! |
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| 17:14.28 | Com[Plex] | jk :> |
| 17:18.44 | George`Sega | HI |
| 17:18.45 | George`Sega | =P |
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| 17:20.17 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex] sup |
| 17:21.33 | Com[Plex] | not much. |
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| 17:21.47 | Com[Plex] | hey, do you think you could help me get opera working on 3.0 ? |
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| 17:22.05 | Com[Plex] | I tried isntalling opie taskbar on 3.0 and it would no longer boot into qte |
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| 17:23.09 | Com[Plex] | I tried to use Konq to get to www.imdb.com and I got an unusual access denied message saying that My browser wasnt named or something. ie wasnt saying "Hi, Im Konquere web browser, cna I see this page?" |
| 17:23.25 | Com[Plex] | try it out, see what I mean |
| 17:23.37 | Com[Plex] | go to www.imdb.com with konq on the z |
| 17:23.52 | TheMasterMind1 | my Z's not in a very good shape right now |
| 17:24.04 | Com[Plex] | I saved the error message, but my gf has it right now and is playing tickypip. |
| 17:24.06 | Com[Plex] | shes hooked./ |
| 17:24.12 | Com[Plex] | whats wrong with your z ? |
| 17:24.24 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth, whats happenin / |
| 17:24.52 | kergoth | nada, finishing som ekernel bits |
| 17:24.57 | kergoth | cursing lineo regularly |
| 17:24.58 | kergoth | the usual |
| 17:25.00 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 17:25.15 | kergoth | you knokw that check backup battery! |
| 17:25.20 | Com[Plex] | yeah? |
| 17:25.21 | kergoth | message |
| 17:25.26 | Com[Plex] | Ive seen that |
| 17:25.38 | George`Sega | kergoth: rtfm |
| 17:25.47 | kergoth | George`Sega: rtfc |
| 17:25.55 | George`Sega | haha |
| 17:26.18 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: turns out it means nothing. |
| 17:26.22 | Com[Plex] | ahah |
| 17:26.24 | Com[Plex] | good! |
| 17:26.34 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: and it only checks the backup battery voltage on suspend |
| 17:26.36 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: never any other time |
| 17:26.40 | kergoth | stupid shit |
| 17:26.41 | Com[Plex] | I see |
| 17:26.57 | kergoth | I'm going to make it dump a proper "Warning! your backup battery is critical!" message |
| 17:26.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:27.32 | George`Sega | kergoth: btw - in Opie, it's really really really frustrating how when the battery is low it keeps spitting out errors |
| 17:27.40 | George`Sega | and I just keep wanting to tell it to shut UP |
| 17:27.53 | kergoth | George`Sega: ? it should only dump am essage when critical.. |
| 17:27.58 | kergoth | not low |
| 17:28.05 | George`Sega | kergoth: yeh, critical :) |
| 17:31.48 | George`Sega | I FUCKING HATE POPUPS |
| 17:32.39 | kergoth | heh. cant you change that in light & power? |
| 17:34.36 | George`Sega | kergoth: not on 3.0 |
| 17:34.48 | kergoth | so upgrade your light & power then |
| 17:35.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:37.55 | George`Sega | k |
| 17:37.59 | George`Sega | later ;) |
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| 17:40.35 | LordDavon | Hello everyone. |
| 17:41.19 | kergoth | hey LordDavon |
| 17:41.41 | LordDavon | Heya kergoth |
| 17:41.58 | LordDavon | kergoth: You have a native arm gcc 3.2? |
| 17:42.14 | kergoth | native? nahnot handy |
| 17:42.39 | LordDavon | I am going to need to compile a new one on handhelds.org then. |
| 17:42.51 | LordDavon | ACK! |
| 17:43.00 | LordDavon | Not really what I wanted to do today. |
| 17:43.27 | kergoth | hm, buildroot doesnt know how to build a native gcc yet |
| 17:43.34 | kergoth | otherwise it could do it for you |
| 17:43.43 | kergoth | it can biuld crosscompilers, so adding it is rudamentary |
| 17:43.51 | LordDavon | I was hoping that you guys did some work natively and not cross compiled everything. |
| 17:45.20 | George`Sega | LordDavon: you want a x86 -> ARM cross compiler? |
| 17:45.21 | LordDavon | I work in UNIX all day long at work, so (even though I hate to admit it) I like to stay in WinXP some days. Even though Linux is my OS of choice. |
| 17:45.47 | kergoth | George`Sega: he wants a arm native compiler, not cross |
| 17:45.58 | LordDavon | George: No. I want an arm gcc 3.0+ so I can use -mcpu=xscale without it laughing at me. |
| 17:46.27 | George`Sega | LordDavon: are you crazy? :) |
| 17:46.50 | LordDavon | George: I try to be crazy as often as possible. Why do you ask? |
| 17:46.53 | LordDavon | ;) |
| 17:47.40 | George`Sega | blah |
| 17:48.22 | LordDavon | George: I need to optimize my projects for Xscale. |
| 17:49.10 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 17:49.42 | George- | what's wrong with a cross compiler gcc 3.2?? |
| 17:56.12 | TheMasterMind1 | it laughs at him apparently |
| 17:56.13 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
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| 17:56.59 | sebd | hi |
| 17:57.16 | LordDavon | lol |
| 17:57.23 | LordDavon | I don't want to cross-compile |
| 17:57.27 | sebd | anyone using korganizer/embedded ? |
| 17:57.30 | LordDavon | So there... :-P |
| 17:57.31 | LordDavon | !! |
| 17:57.33 | LordDavon | hehh |
| 17:58.28 | LordDavon | Actually, all of my projects are on handhelds.org right now. Don't feel like moving everything to an x86 environment just to setup crosscompiling. |
| 17:58.49 | LordDavon | I used to do everything that way, but I like the native environment better,. |
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| 18:05.29 | LordDavon | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.18 | LordDavon | Anyone have any experience with this? |
| 18:06.20 | kergoth | 'work' maybe. optimize well? hell no |
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| 18:06.31 | sebd | anyone using korganizer/embedded ? <-- ok, let me ask it another way: what calendar app do professional linux users usually use ? |
| 18:06.34 | kergoth | 3.2 even gives a huge performance boost in strongarm |
| 18:06.41 | kergoth | i'd imagine its the same for xscale |
| 18:07.02 | noidd | ello ;-) |
| 18:07.09 | LordDavon | Ok. Off to compiling my own... ;) |
| 18:07.36 | noidd | how is everyone |
| 18:07.48 | noidd | apologies for being non-present for such a long time |
| 18:07.58 | kergoth | hey noidd |
| 18:08.09 | noidd | I got dragged away with little notice and I forgot my Z in the rush :-( |
| 18:08.20 | noidd | didn't even manage to bring any luggage with me it was so fast |
| 18:08.31 | noidd | hows it going kergoth? |
| 18:08.37 | noidd | keeping busy I assume? :-) |
| 18:08.41 | kergoth | of course |
| 18:08.43 | kergoth | not too bad |
| 18:08.44 | kergoth | you? |
| 18:10.07 | LordDavon | Hello noidd. kergoth hasn't been busy for weeks. |
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| 18:11.26 | noidd | doing well |
| 18:11.35 | noidd | had a good Chrimbo and new year so far |
| 18:11.56 | noidd | ya know, if I could find your wishlist on amazon I would have sent you something by way of appreciation for what you've been up to |
| 18:12.27 | noidd | :-) |
| 18:13.02 | kergoth | hah. we're lining up a credits page on openzaurus.org with donation links for each devel |
| 18:13.09 | kergoth | i.e. paypal, c2it, etc |
| 18:13.13 | noidd | thats a good idea |
| 18:13.19 | noidd | but cash is so crude! |
| 18:13.22 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:13.38 | noidd | hehe |
| 18:13.57 | noidd | oh dear, what happened? |
| 18:14.01 | mark | my CF should be fat32 not fat16 for flashing yeah? |
| 18:14.06 | LordDavon | noidd: I know that TheMasterMind1 wants a C700 for Xmas. |
| 18:14.06 | noidd | any fallout since the purchase? |
| 18:14.06 | kergoth | working on 2.4.19 for the Z |
| 18:14.14 | kergoth | ugly ugly code |
| 18:14.24 | kergoth | mark: fat16. |
| 18:14.29 | mark | kergoth: ah that'd be it :) |
| 18:14.41 | LordDavon | kergoth: You looked into the 2.13 code? |
| 18:15.00 | kergoth | LordDavon: 2.4.13 you mean? |
| 18:15.14 | mark | kergoth: did sharp not bother programming the unique Ids into the Zs? |
| 18:15.15 | kergoth | LordDavon: somewhat, i swiped their usb device code, caues it was newer than what was on lineo's oss site |
| 18:15.35 | LordDavon | Well, yah. <---Captain Morgans is getting him early today. |
| 18:15.46 | kergoth | ah yea, know how that is |
| 18:15.51 | kergoth | its caffeine only for me today |
| 18:16.00 | kergoth | gotta get this kernel crap done, i want to get 3.1 released |
| 18:16.10 | George- | kergoth: will 3.1 have kernel 2.4.19? |
| 18:16.16 | kergoth | George-: yep |
| 18:16.21 | noidd | hmm, do we know which kernel the new machines use? |
| 18:16.21 | George- | WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 18:16.33 | kergoth | noidd: the a300 uses 2.4.13, we have the sources |
| 18:16.36 | noidd | 2.*4* |
| 18:16.37 | noidd | Wow |
| 18:16.39 | kergoth | noidd: c700 and b500 sources arent released yet |
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| 18:17.00 | noidd | ah, that mean you are fighting with hardware differences then? |
| 18:17.05 | George- | KERGOTH IS A GOD! |
| 18:17.07 | kergoth | no fightint |
| 18:17.07 | noidd | nasty |
| 18:17.08 | kergoth | fighting |
| 18:17.14 | kergoth | I'm not using 90% of whats in the a300 sources |
| 18:17.31 | kergoth | I'm porting the 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix code over to 2.4.19, rewriting a fair bit along the way |
| 18:17.40 | kergoth | with assistance of course, pnis is doing the audio drivers |
| 18:17.42 | George- | who here is running on 2.4.20-ac2 on x86? |
| 18:17.50 | noidd | pnis :-) |
| 18:17.54 | George- | pnis.. hahahahaha |
| 18:17.59 | kergoth | amusing nick, eh? |
| 18:18.00 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:18.12 | noidd | maybe I should get that my US numberplate |
| 18:18.24 | kergoth | we'll likely have a true oss interface for the buzzer |
| 18:18.46 | George- | for the BUZZER? |
| 18:18.48 | kergoth | none of this crap odd lineo character device interface |
| 18:18.49 | George- | What's the point? :) |
| 18:18.50 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:19.00 | George- | it's buzzes =P |
| 18:19.04 | kergoth | yes, it is |
| 18:19.26 | noidd | hmm, buzzing goodness |
| 18:19.45 | kergoth | hmmm, you know, if you're feeling daring and disable the fatal battery check in the battery driver, you can reduce cpu consumption a bit by its kernel thread |
| 18:19.46 | George- | buzz.. buzz.. buzz.. |
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| 18:20.25 | George- | kergoth: what's not working in the sources then? |
| 18:20.32 | kergoth | touchscreen, audio |
| 18:20.38 | kergoth | battery driver is just about done |
| 18:20.41 | kergoth | not much else |
| 18:20.49 | George- | is the battery driver sane? |
| 18:20.56 | George- | ie - does it give more accurate readings? |
| 18:20.57 | noidd | resolution :-) |
| 18:21.12 | kergoth | yes, it does |
| 18:21.16 | noidd | thats a ifferent question :-) |
| 18:21.21 | kergoth | tik added interpolating |
| 18:21.26 | kergoth | we have proper percentages |
| 18:21.29 | kergoth | as of 3.1rc1 |
| 18:21.30 | George- | ahh |
| 18:21.32 | George- | great |
| 18:21.54 | George- | any chance of this new spiffy kernel working on the Sharp ROM? |
| 18:22.00 | kergoth | not without alteration |
| 18:22.04 | kergoth | traitor |
| 18:22.05 | kergoth | :P |
| 18:22.19 | George- | TRAITOR? :) |
| 18:22.23 | George- | I run OZ |
| 18:22.24 | noidd | boo, hiss |
| 18:22.41 | kergoth | ~lart mark |
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| 18:22.42 | kergoth | mark: testing? |
| 18:22.44 | noidd | boo, hiss, squared |
| 18:22.58 | mark | kergoth: yeah. its a pain having to do this |
| 18:23.11 | noidd | beats me why they dont switch to OZ and fund it |
| 18:23.21 | noidd | after all, software development s a liability to sharp |
| 18:23.35 | kergoth | noidd: i doubt they'll put much development into their current units. and opie isnt ready for primetime |
| 18:23.40 | noidd | since they make their money from hardware sales, not value addedness of the firmware |
| 18:23.40 | kergoth | perhaps when opie 1.0 releases.. |
| 18:23.49 | kergoth | heh |
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| 18:29.59 | noidd | I would love forever anyone who managed to port Gtk-2 to framebuffer |
| 18:30.12 | noidd | or even, ported it to Qt, lol |
| 18:30.47 | noidd | hmm, I wonder if its possible to port xnest to Qt |
| 18:31.03 | George- | noidd: stop babbling =P |
| 18:31.50 | davonz | xnest? What is that? |
| 18:33.41 | noidd | its an X server within an X server |
| 18:34.02 | noidd | ie, DISPLAY=0:1 |
| 18:34.12 | noidd | ie, DISPLAY=1:0 even |
| 18:34.21 | noidd | but within a window on DISPLAY=0: |
| 18:34.23 | noidd | but within a window on DISPLAY=0:1 |
| 18:34.24 | noidd | argh |
| 18:34.29 | George- | STOP BABBLING! |
| 18:34.30 | George- | =P |
| 18:34.33 | noidd | heh |
| 18:34.36 | oGMo | er |
| 18:34.49 | oGMo | the colon goes first |
| 18:34.51 | George- | davonz: rtfm |
| 18:34.59 | George- | ibot food |
| 18:35.05 | | [food] something I huwaked up |
| 18:35.23 | George- | huwaked? |
| 18:35.24 | George- | hrmm |
| 18:35.27 | George- | WTF? |
| 18:35.27 | George- | :) |
| 18:35.29 | noidd | hmm, gotta run |
| 18:35.35 | noidd | got a parT to go to |
| 18:35.37 | noidd | later guys |
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| 18:39.55 | Com[Plex] | hey gyus.. uh. whats this "modutils" thing? |
| 18:40.24 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: lsmod, insmod, modprobe, depmod |
| 18:40.31 | Com[Plex] | oh yeah. duh |
| 18:40.49 | George- | LordDavon: man xnest ;) |
| 18:42.37 | LordDavon | George: :-P |
| 18:42.39 | LordDavon | heh |
| 18:42.45 | TheMasterMind1 | ~lart Com[Plex] |
| 18:42.52 | TheMasterMind1 | hah. |
| 18:43.17 | LordDavon | lol |
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| 18:56.48 | kergoth | hey hash |
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| 19:15.08 | George- | blah |
| 19:15.13 | George- | kergoth: rtfm |
| 19:15.20 | George- | ~lart kergoth |
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| 20:07.58 | LordDavon | find -type f| grep xscale | while read line; do |
| 20:08.09 | LordDavon | sh*t wrong window.... ;) |
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| 20:23.02 | George- | I would have thought the novelty of a new year would have worn off by now - they've only had 2002 of them |
| 20:27.36 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:27.43 | br33zy | hi mastermind |
| 20:27.49 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 20:27.54 | kergoth | George-: i believe societies have celebrated the 'new year' for longer than 2002 years |
| 20:28.04 | George- | kergoth: yeh, well |
| 20:28.04 | kergoth | George-: though the calandar was certainly different, so when it was was different |
| 20:28.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:28.13 | George- | kergoth: rtfm |
| 20:28.15 | George- | :) |
| 20:28.16 | br33zy | brb |
| 20:28.24 | George- | brb |
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| 20:28.44 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 20:28.51 | TheMasterMind1 | block him |
| 20:28.57 | TheMasterMind1 | for kicks |
| 20:29.07 | kergoth | i'm not _that_ mean |
| 20:29.08 | kergoth | :) |
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| 20:30.56 | br33zy | kergoth: sure you are |
| 20:30.56 | br33zy | :) |
| 20:31.43 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, it'd be funny |
| 20:31.51 | TheMasterMind1 | don't you think so George- ? |
| 20:32.05 | br33zy | lol |
| 20:32.16 | George- | TheMasterMind1: what? |
| 20:32.21 | TheMasterMind1 | wouldn't it be funny? |
| 20:34.19 | George- | wouldn't what be funny? |
| 20:34.40 | br33zy | lol |
| 20:34.41 | br33zy | moo |
| 20:34.48 | TheMasterMind1 | George- *sigh* never mind.. |
| 20:34.56 | George- | TheMasterMind1: please, tell me |
| 20:35.22 | br33zy | lol!!! |
| 20:35.26 | br33zy | this is comedy central |
| 20:35.58 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:37.38 | George- | tell me dammit |
| 20:37.49 | George- | I'll die becuase of curiosity |
| 20:37.55 | br33zy | haha! |
| 20:37.59 | br33zy | gtg guys |
| 20:38.05 | br33zy | ill be back in like 3 hours |
| 20:38.12 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 20:40.09 | br33zy | bye mastermind |
| 20:40.42 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 20:44.30 | George- | TheMasterMind1: tell me!!!! |
| 20:44.32 | George- | ;) |
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| 21:07.02 | hash | hey kergoth |
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| 21:13.35 | leaves | anyone have the camera for the zaurus? I got it, and was wondering if there is some sort of flash attachment or something? It only works in bright light well... |
| 21:13.53 | ZERO_K | hey leaves |
| 21:13.59 | ZERO_K | ive thought bout gettin it |
| 21:14.00 | leaves | ZERO_K: hey.. whats up |
| 21:14.02 | ZERO_K | i heard there were 2 |
| 21:14.15 | ZERO_K | leaves: nuthin much |
| 21:14.16 | leaves | ZERO_K: I've got the CE-AG06 |
| 21:14.24 | ZERO_K | the one on the site? |
| 21:14.31 | leaves | probably.. it's gray |
| 21:14.37 | leaves | made by sharp |
| 21:14.53 | ZERO_K | yeah |
| 21:15.00 | ZERO_K | i heard there was another |
| 21:15.12 | ZERO_K | i didnt get it cause its only 350,000 pixles |
| 21:15.18 | ZERO_K | how do the piks look? |
| 21:16.44 | leaves | ZERO_K: I just took a few.. let me upload them to a server for you. |
| 21:16.55 | leaves | ZERO_K: their basically high quality webcam pics... =\ |
| 21:16.55 | ZERO_K | cool man |
| 21:17.04 | leaves | their no 2 megapixel :) |
| 21:17.30 | ZERO_K | hahaha |
| 21:17.40 | leaves | but I mean.. the camera is SUPER small. But it covers the stylus (that pisses me off!.. If they had it flipped around, then it wouldn't :) |
| 21:17.41 | leaves | hold on |
| 21:19.20 | ZERO_K | i bet when they made it there were like 'and we designed it so it wont cover the stylus, just the ear jack' and they put it into production, then they came back 'umm, well, sumthing happend and they made it backwards and now it covers the stylus but not the ear jack...' |
| 21:23.20 | TheMasterMind1 | or they were just stupid and didn't realize |
| 21:27.41 | leaves | ZERO_K: lol.. that's exactly what it's like :) |
| 21:27.43 | leaves | hold please |
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| 21:35.07 | leaves | ZERO_K: get my message? has the link to the pics |
| 21:35.16 | leaves | ZERO_K: and you can tell it's 350k :) |
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| 21:47.13 | joseywales | I ahve installed both openssl and open ssh but keep getting lybcrypto.so cannot be found while trying to generate a host key. anyone know what I might be doing wrong |
| 21:47.20 | joseywales | have even |
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| 21:52.04 | ZERO_K | leaves: sorry man, had a phone call |
| 21:52.10 | ZERO_K | leaves: im lookin at them now |
| 21:52.55 | leaves | ZERO_K: no probs |
| 21:57.53 | kergoth | joseywales: probably need to run ldconfig or something |
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| 21:59.28 | Hellaenergy | Heya |
| 21:59.50 | Hellaenergy | Is there a TI-8X emulator for the Z? |
| 22:00.23 | badalex | yes |
| 22:00.38 | badalex | ibot: search zsi for ti |
| 22:00.47 | kergoth | ibot: zsi ti |
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| 22:01.16 | badalex | kergoth: thanks... |
| 22:04.00 | Hellaenergy | ibot: TI-8X |
| 22:04.01 | | no idea, Hellaenergy |
| 22:04.22 | badalex | Hellaenergy: i cant rember what it is called... |
| 22:04.46 | Hellaenergy | badalex: thanks anyways for the hope :) |
| 22:05.02 | badalex | ive used it, worked ok |
| 22:05.45 | George- | ibot zsi ti85 |
| 22:05.46 | badalex | ah found it |
| 22:05.52 | badalex | lol |
| 22:05.53 | George- | there ya go |
| 22:06.16 | leaves | with these batteries.. is it bad to charge before the battery is completley dead? or can I put it on my cradle whenever I'm not using it to keep it topped up? |
| 22:06.21 | leaves | the one in the 5500 |
| 22:06.28 | badalex | Hellaenergy: the only real problem was, no way to load programs |
| 22:07.26 | George- | leaves: iirc it's a Li-Ion, which doesn't matter |
| 22:10.48 | leaves | George-: ya.. that's what I was thinking. Only a memory in the NiMeHydrate right? |
| 22:10.58 | George- | no |
| 22:11.03 | George- | only memory in NiCad |
| 22:11.14 | leaves | George-: ahhhhhh :) |
| 22:11.17 | leaves | George-: thanks |
| 22:11.45 | leaves | George-: I kinda like this topping up, as the battery is only on for like 10 mins if I use it for about 10-20 or so. |
| 22:11.45 | George- | NiMH are good :) |
| 22:11.57 | leaves | George-: got mixed up I guess :) |
| 22:12.04 | leaves | I should just read the manual to check though |
| 22:34.34 | Hellaenergy | badalex: thanks a lot :) |
| 22:34.48 | badalex | thank George- lol |
| 22:35.02 | George- | badalex: what? |
| 22:35.08 | Hellaenergy | TI-85's are old discontinued models though :( |
| 22:35.22 | badalex | George-: for helping Hellaenergy find the ti-85 emu |
| 22:35.33 | George- | oh ;) |
| 22:35.44 | Hellaenergy | Ya thanks George- |
| 22:35.56 | George- | Hellaenergy: in case it interests you, mark ported it |
| 22:36.56 | Hellaenergy | Now that is a quality port |
| 22:37.14 | George- | why? |
| 22:37.36 | Hellaenergy | You know how much TI-8X's cost? |
| 22:37.47 | Hellaenergy | $80-150 |
| 22:37.47 | George- | loads |
| 22:37.51 | George- | yeh |
| 22:37.52 | Hellaenergy | right |
| 22:37.52 | George- | I know ;) |
| 22:38.05 | George- | what's that got to do with anything? |
| 22:38.07 | George- | oh yeh, btw: |
| 22:38.10 | George- | ibot ti85 rom |
| 22:38.11 | | somebody said ti85 rom was http://www.lofi-gaming.org.uk/emulation/essentialfiles.shtml |
| 22:39.25 | Hellaenergy | nice |
| 22:39.29 | Hellaenergy | all of em are there |
| 22:39.45 | George- | =P |
| 22:40.40 | Hellaenergy | George-: If I can use my zaurus instead of buying a TI-83 I will. |
| 22:40.51 | Hellaenergy | And thats what I'm talking about ;) |
| 22:40.57 | George- | Hellaenergy: you disgust me :) |
| 22:41.10 | George- | Hellaenergy: you're gonna deprive some person at TI of his daily whore allowance |
| 22:41.39 | George- | hah |
| 22:42.00 | George- | Hellaenergy: May I remind you that someone got klined yesterday for dealing in illegal activities? :) |
| 22:42.17 | smbj | George-: you? |
| 22:42.21 | Hellaenergy | who? |
| 22:42.32 | Hellaenergy | action said |
| 22:42.37 | Hellaenergy | oops |
| 22:42.40 | George- | smbj, Hellaenergy: j0sh |
| 22:42.47 | Hellaenergy | what happend |
| 22:42.51 | nadav | hehe |
| 22:43.02 | George- | uhm |
| 22:43.07 | George- | ask someone like NeoTron |
| 22:43.34 | Hellaenergy | George-: mark took the TI-ROM image and ported it to the Z? |
| 22:43.41 | Hellaenergy | or did he have the source? |
| 22:43.55 | George- | Hellaenergy: he took the TI Emulator and ported it to the Z |
| 22:44.03 | George- | Hellaenergy: it was an OSS ti emulator |
| 22:44.44 | Hellaenergy | do you know if a ti-83 plus se can load a ti-86 rom? |
| 22:44.55 | George- | I don't know |
| 22:46.21 | treke|home | Hellaenergy: nope |
| 22:46.51 | Hellaenergy | treke|home: Why? too little ram? |
| 22:46.59 | treke|home | different hardware |
| 22:47.11 | Hellaenergy | which is more powerful? |
| 22:47.33 | treke|home | different doesnt imply more powerful |
| 22:47.36 | treke|home | just different |
| 22:47.50 | Hellaenergy | understood |
| 22:47.55 | George- | yeh! listen to the wise words of treke! |
| 22:48.39 | Hellaenergy | treke gets props from me always |
| 22:48.47 | treke|home | hehe |
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| 23:21.09 | Hellaenergy | where is docs in the filesystem for the sharp rom? ie /mnt? |
| 23:22.32 | badalex | Hellaenergy: what docs? |
| 23:22.35 | badalex | your documents? |
| 23:22.38 | Hellaenergy | yes |
| 23:22.40 | badalex | like /mnt/cf/Documents/? |
| 23:25.01 | George- | cya all |
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