irclog2html for #zaurus on 20021225

`00:00.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i think you're pretty safe`
`00:00.06`	`boulez`	`ok`
`00:00.08`	`boulez`	`;)`
`00:01.25`	`jzr-`	`MMMM`
`00:01.31`	`jzr-`	`tastes like water`
`00:01.55`	`boulez`	`package installer gui still won't find it. I'm guessing i have to go through the console again`
`00:03.02`	`boulez`	`so "ipkg install danteclient.ipk`
`00:03.02`	`boulez`	`<NetAmp> weird`
`00:03.05`	`boulez`	`oops`
`00:03.15`	`boulez`	`ipkg install tsocks.ipk`
`00:03.24`	`boulez`	`right?`
`00:04.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea`
`00:04.47`	`boulez`	`same error as before, probably because it got screwed up during the upload`
`00:05.01`	`boulez`	`I can't scp in for whatever reason, so I'm trying to get the files there via qtopia`
`00:05.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`don't use qtopia`
`00:05.33`	`boulez`	`I wouldn't except that I can't get scp to work`
`00:06.01`	`boulez`	`how else can I transfer the files?`
`00:06.52`	`SuKoShi`	`for those interested : entering the maintenance mode of SL-B500 :`
`00:06.57`	`SuKoShi`	`unlock the zaurus`
`00:07.00`	`SuKoShi`	`open the lid`
`00:07.06`	`SuKoShi`	`reste for 5 seconds`
`00:07.09`	`SuKoShi`	`close the lid`
`00:07.16`	`SuKoShi`	`relock the zaurus`
`00:07.25`	`SuKoShi`	`push ok`
`00:07.37`	`SuKoShi`	`don't release and push cancel`
`00:07.48`	`SuKoShi`	`maintenance mode appears`
`00:08.05`	`SuKoShi`	`where you can check the zaurus, and upgrade it.`
`00:08.21`	`NetAmp`	`sweet`
`00:08.33`	`SuKoShi`	`(page 164of the japanese manual :p)`
`00:08.45`	`boulez`	`NetAmp: it works?`
`00:08.54`	`NetAmp`	`no`
`00:08.56`	`boulez`	`oh`
`00:08.59`	`NetAmp`	`haven't tried`
`00:09.06`	`boulez`	`ok`
`00:09.09`	`NetAmp`	`trying to get my Z on track again first`
`00:09.12`	`NetAmp`	`but`
`00:09.18`	`NetAmp`	`I was referring to the maintenance mode`
`00:09.21`	`NetAmp`	`sounds sweet ;)`
`00:09.48`	`SuKoShi`	`don't you know what is the maintenance mode for 5500?`
`00:09.57`	`NetAmp`	`none`
`00:10.00`	`NetAmp`	`there is no`
`00:10.21`	`SuKoShi`	`!`
`00:10.23`	`boulez`	`Just tried to connect via ssh too, still can't.`
`00:10.55`	`SuKoShi`	`i had troubles with ssh installation`
`00:11.00`	`SuKoShi`	`so that i had to reset all`
`00:11.03`	`SuKoShi`	`but now it works`
`00:11.13`	`NetAmp`	`I didn't, it's default in OZ3 ;)`
`00:11.27`	`boulez`	`oh, do I need to install something on the Z side?`
`00:11.34`	`boulez`	`I'm just trying to get to the Z from Windows`
`00:11.35`	`SuKoShi`	`NetAmp: has OZ3 japanese IME ?`
`00:11.55`	`NetAmp`	`err don't think so`
`00:12.10`	`SuKoShi`	`mmmh`
`00:12.21`	`boulez`	`this is ridiculous..`
`00:12.27`	`SuKoShi`	`that is why i need a sl-b500`
`00:12.52`	`*** join/#zaurus victorvdl (~victorvdl@66.43.4.213)`
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`00:13.20`	`boulez`	`should my username be "root" for an scp connection?`
`00:13.23`	`boulez`	`port 22?`
`00:13.23`	`NetAmp`	`me2 :P`
`00:13.33`	`boulez`	`no password?`
`00:13.40`	`NetAmp`	`jingle bellzzz`
`00:13.41`	`victorvdl`	`boulez: yes`
`00:13.47`	`NetAmp`	`yawn`
`00:14.03`	`boulez`	`nope, nothing`
`00:14.07`	`NetAmp`	`merry x-mas`
`00:14.11`	`*** part/#zaurus NetAmp (~netamp@cp234746-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl)`
`00:14.36`	`jzr-`	`its xmas eve!!!`
`00:14.54`	`SuKoShi`	`it was xmas 1h25 ago here ;)`
`00:15.13`	`jzr-`	`jp?`
`00:15.24`	`jzr-`	`I thought the japanesse were jewish?`
`00:15.38`	`jzr-`	`And hanukah was weeks ago?!`
`00:15.45`	`victorvdl`	`jzr-: ?`
`00:15.46`	`jzr-`	`THE MADNESS`
`00:15.53`	`boulez`	`TheMasterMind1: I'm sorry I'm not able to help. I can't get your files to my Zaurus in a way that will install.`
`00:15.54`	`SuKoShi`	`jewish ?`
`00:16.04`	`kolla`	`I'm celebrating the turning of the sun...`
`00:16.07`	`boulez`	`and I'm out of ideas and knowledge`
`00:16.13`	`kolla`	`days getting longer again`
`00:16.14`	`kolla`	`:)`
`00:16.18`	`SuKoShi`	`usually they're shinto or somewhat related to buddhism`
`00:16.30`	`jzr-`	`kolla: that was two days ago`
`00:16.36`	`jzr-`	`You R LATE!`
`00:16.41`	`kolla`	`yes, and I'm not doe celebrating yet :)`
`00:16.45`	`kolla`	`done`
`00:16.54`	`jzr-`	`YOU NEED TO SACRIFICED VIRGINS FOR THE NEW YEAR?!`
`00:17.09`	`kolla`	`:)`
`00:17.09`	`jzr-`	`I no i will.`
`00:17.26`	`kolla`	`gonna celebrate all the way through new year :)`
`00:17.39`	`jzr-`	`indeed`
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`00:28.26`	`victorvdl`	`BZFlagHoliday: I know what you should give the world for x-mas: BZFlag for the Z! ;-)`
`00:29.04`	`boulez`	`wait a second...do I have to install an ssh server on the zaurus to use ssh client on windows to log in to it`
`00:30.03`	`jzr-`	`lol`
`00:30.29`	`boulez`	`that's actually a serious question`
`00:31.35`	`jzr-`	`http://zaurus.kruss.com/software.php`
`00:31.40`	`jzr-`	`you should read that.`
`00:32.20`	`SuKoShi`	`you have to`
`00:32.49`	`boulez`	`very useful`
`00:32.52`	`boulez`	`this page is nice`
`00:32.58`	`George-`	`http://www.noradsanta.org`
`00:33.01`	`George-`	`haha`
`00:33.44`	`jzr-`	`boulez: i thought it would be :P`
`00:34.08`	`boulez`	`I lack anything beyond a fundamental understanding of the command line, so this is all a slow process for me.`
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`00:40.16`	`George-`	`man, this is boring`
`00:40.19`	`angry`	`ibot, wireless`
`00:40.20`		`somebody said wireless was The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi`
`00:40.24`	`George-`	`ibot die`
`00:40.26`		`ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.`
`00:40.30`	`George-`	`wooo ibot you are so shiny ;)`
`00:41.16`	`nadav`	`hmmmmm`
`00:41.18`	`nadav`	`it's george`
`00:41.27`	`George-`	`nuhduhv!!!`
`00:41.28`	`George-`	`hey`
`00:41.30`	`George-`	`:)`
`00:41.31`	`nadav`	`hehe`
`00:41.32`	`angry`	`does anybody know if the DCF-660w is supported?`
`00:41.36`	`nadav`	`where you been?`
`00:41.37`	`George-`	`PowerBook is off being repaired :(`
`00:41.42`	`nadav`	`hah`
`00:41.43`	`George-`	`nowhere...`
`00:41.54`	`nadav`	`see? emac > powerbook`
`00:41.55`	`nadav`	`:P`
`00:42.03`	`George-`	`emac < power book`
`00:42.05`	`nadav`	`heh`
`00:42.06`	`nadav`	`btw`
`00:42.11`	`nadav`	`X works on the emac now`
`00:42.16`	`George-`	`er..`
`00:42.23`	`George-`	`why shouldn't it?`
`00:42.35`	`nadav`	`because of the crappy rev B card apple put in it`
`00:42.49`	`jzr-`	`yea, X is supposed to work on ALL hardware..`
`00:43.00`	`nadav`	`well, it worked.. in 8 bits`
`00:43.02`	`jzr-`	`especially the proprietary stuff !`
`00:43.05`	`jzr-`	`kek`
`00:43.20`	`nadav`	`it's not like apple builds their machines to run linux..`
`00:43.21`	`nadav`	`:P`
`00:43.31`	`George-`	`lol`
`00:44.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`blargh`
`00:44.18`	`nadav`	`blargh?`
`00:44.18`	`George-`	`Guys, lets all sign a petition to get Christmas renamed to Newtonmas`
`00:44.19`	`George-`	`;)`
`00:44.29`	`George-`	`nadav: BLARGH!`
`00:44.33`	`angry`	`$40 wireless CF card! :) http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11177336&m=488&cat=564&scat=566`
`00:44.33`	`nadav`	`bah`
`00:44.43`	`nadav`	`bah`
`00:44.45`	`jzr-`	`angry: dope`
`00:44.47`	`angry`	`anyone know if the sharp rom supports that card?`
`00:46.01`	`jzr-`	`I think it does`
`00:46.02`	`storpik`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:46.14`	`storpik`	`That's what the website says`
`00:46.22`	`angry`	`ooh`
`00:47.02`	`angry`	`not sure if it would block ports like the other DCF card does`
`00:47.12`	`angry`	`doesn't look like it hangs over the side of the CF size`
`00:47.58`	`angry`	`heh, i just realized i said angry was happy`
`00:48.15`	`jzr-`	`hmm thats a DCF 660w`
`00:48.23`	`angry`	`yeah`
`00:48.26`	`jzr-`	`I have seen the DCF 650 work with zaurus`
`00:48.35`	`angry`	`and they say on their site its supported by "sharp"`
`00:48.42`	`jzr-`	`Shrug`
`00:48.46`	`jzr-`	`Probably the same card`
`00:48.59`	`angry`	`i dont get how it could block the ports though`
`00:49.04`	`angry`	`i mean look at the picture`
`00:49.12`	`angry`	`it doesnt look like it gets any bigger towards the top`
`00:50.40`	`angry`	`looks ugly though`
`00:50.50`	`angry`	`but so do i`
`00:50.57`	`angry`	`it'll complement me`
`00:51.34`	`jzr-`	`dood with a zaurus you get all the chiks`
`00:51.43`	`jzr-`	`its like a chiq magnet`
`00:51.45`	`nadav`	`hah.`
`00:51.46`	`angry`	`yeah, but i dont know about this card`
`00:51.50`	`angry`	`it might demagnitize the Z`
`00:51.56`	`angry`	`*demagnetize`
`00:52.40`	`nadav`	`erm.. zaurus overclock tool?`
`00:52.42`	`George-`	`demagnetize?`
`00:52.52`	`jzr-`	`Be like its for <insert jargon here>...`
`00:53.46`	`jzr-`	`and chicks will think you are smart`
`00:53.57`	`jzr-`	`and you like to waste your money`
`00:54.32`	`*** join/#zaurus victorvdl (~victorvdl@66.43.4.213)`
`00:55.03`	`*** join/#zaurus boulez (~boulez@roc-24-58-67-49.rochester.rr.com)`
`00:55.03`	`jzr-`	`that means pussy no matter how ugly you are`
`00:55.04`	`angry`	`George-: it was in the context of the Z being a babe magnet ;)`
`00:55.05`	`boulez`	`oops`
`00:55.18`	`jzr-`	`dur`
`00:55.37`	`victorvdl`	`BZFlagHoliday: Would porting BZ to the Z be feasible?`
`00:56.04`	`George-`	`haha`
`00:56.14`	`angry`	`victorvdl: i think it runs unbelievably slow or doesnt run at all`
`00:56.26`	`jzr-`	`http://www.mipcdebolsillo.com/noticias/images/zaurus_linux.jpg`
`00:56.38`	`angry`	`that is sexy`
`00:56.42`	`jzr-`	`Hey what is that remote thing in the pic called and where could I get one?`
`00:56.47`	`jzr-`	`:P`
`00:56.55`	`angry`	`prob. comes with the new Z`
`00:57.22`	`jzr-`	`www.linuxfreak.org/post.php/2002/ 03/30-22_24_48/319.html`
`00:57.23`	`jzr-`	`its from that`
`00:57.28`	`angry`	`i know minidisc players/recorders come with those addon thingies sometimes`
`00:57.31`	`kolla`	`angry: comes with 5600?`
`00:57.54`	`jzr-`	`Yea my sony discman had one.. till I lost it`
`00:58.15`	`angry`	`err never mind`
`00:58.22`	`angry`	`because that's from a 5500 review`
`00:58.30`	`jzr-`	`Ye`
`00:58.40`	`jzr-`	`The middle pic looks interesting tho.`
`00:58.54`	`kolla`	`:)`
`00:58.55`	`angry`	`looks like a botched 3d render of the Z ;)`
`00:58.56`	`jzr-`	`Maybe thats the 5600?`
`00:59.08`	`jzr-`	`Yea`
`00:59.17`	`angry`	`or a foreign version`
`00:59.25`	`angry`	`doesnt look like english characters`
`00:59.26`	`tag`	`root@lappy:/home/tag# modprobe usbcore`
`00:59.26`	`tag`	`/lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/usb/usbcore.o: unresolved symbol rwsem_down_write_failed`
`00:59.27`	`jzr-`	`Something`
`00:59.30`	`jzr-`	`looks sexy tho`
`00:59.33`	`tag`	`gggrrr`
`01:00.07`	`jzr-`	`i want that zaurus remote tho`
`01:00.07`	`tag`	`grepping the src tree I see the rwsem_down_write_failed struct defined in lib/rwsem but I dont get why thats not being built into my kernel`
`01:00.27`	`tag`	`(there are a few others but if I get that then I get it all and usb will theoretically work`
`01:00.28`	`tag`	`)`
`01:00.29`	`jzr-`	`that will definately double my epenis length`
`01:02.40`	`jzr-`	`mmmmm`
`01:04.36`	`nadav`	`do you HAVE to do that in public?`
`01:05.00`	`jzr-`	`well, its so huge..`
`01:05.04`	`jzr-`	`Can't really hide it`
`01:05.22`	`nadav`	`hehe, riiight`
`01:05.24`	`victorvdl`	`~shoot jzr-`
`01:05.41`	`victorvdl`	`(as a public nuisance...)`
`01:06.00`	`victorvdl`	`~lart jzr-`
`01:06.07`	`George-`	`g'night all`
`01:06.14`	`victorvdl`	`(next best thing...)`
`01:06.16`	`nadav`	`later george`
`01:06.17`	`George-`	`have a crap^H^H^H^Hmerry christmas guys!`
`01:06.28`	`victorvdl`	`cya George-.`
`01:06.35`	`victorvdl`	`:-D`
`01:06.47`	`George-`	`;)`
`01:06.50`	`jzr-`	`yes everyone touch me`
`01:07.14`	`victorvdl`	`~lart jzr-`
`01:07.26`	`victorvdl`	`Well, he asked for it...`
`01:07.27`	`George-`	`mmmhmmm.. midnight feast`
`01:07.34`	`George-`	`victorvdl: haha`
`01:07.45`	`George-`	`bye nadav`
`01:09.12`	`SuKoShi`	`is there only vi as an editor on the zaurus?`
`01:09.19`	`SuKoShi`	`i need to edit resolv.conf`
`01:09.25`	`victorvdl`	`SuKoShi: what with?`
`01:09.38`	`SuKoShi`	`dunno`
`01:09.48`	`SuKoShi`	`in fact, i don't know how to use vi`
`01:10.02`	`SuKoShi`	`(i'm ok for a little lesson if needed)`
`01:10.44`	`SuKoShi`	`i only know :q that quits the soft`
`01:10.55`	`SuKoShi`	`i need to change the nameserver ip address`
`01:11.05`	`victorvdl`	`SuKoShi: to use vi: move the cursor to where you want to edit something, press i, edit it, then press escape to get out of insert mode...`
`01:11.18`	`victorvdl`	`SuKoShi: :w saves it, :q quits.`
`01:11.24`	`SuKoShi`	`lovely !`
`01:11.43`	`victorvdl`	`"Teach yourself VI in 21 Seconds" :-D`
`01:12.34`	`SuKoShi`	`ok i is for insert`
`01:12.35`	`SuKoShi`	`now`
`01:12.46`	`SuKoShi`	`nameserver 127.0.0.1`
`01:12.48`	`SuKoShi`	`i now have`
`01:12.49`	`dwyl`	`"text editing for masoschists in 21 seconds" :)`
`01:13.00`	`SuKoShi`	`nameserver 192.168.129.1127.0.0.1`
`01:13.07`	`SuKoShi`	`how to delete the localhost ip`
`01:13.13`	`victorvdl`	`dwyl: easier than emacs, anyway...`
`01:13.29`	`dwyl`	`victorvdl : I use vi everyday ;)`
`01:13.54`	`victorvdl`	`dwyl: that makes two of us.`
`01:14.27`	`jzr-`	`I just use vi -e`
`01:14.41`	`jzr-`	`on non vt compatible terminals`
`01:15.16`	`victorvdl`	`~lart jzr-`
`01:18.33`	`Wintre`	`It helps to spell correctly while bragging`
`01:21.23`	`jzr-`	`stfu`
`01:21.28`	`jzr-`	`I am just joking around.`
`01:21.35`	`jzr-`	`Don't be so critical.`
`01:21.40`	`jzr-`	`ITS XMAS TIME`
`01:21.54`	`jzr-`	`SPREAD DA JOY AND LUV FOR A BROTHER`
`01:22.04`	`jzr-`	`AND I WILL KEEP ON MAKING LUV TO YOUR MOTHER`
`01:23.15`	`jzr-`	`AND SMOTHER YOUR KITTIE IN ITS LITTER`
`01:23.33`	`jzr-`	`CAUSE OF MY PITY FOR YA BEING BITTER`
`01:24.16`	`victorvdl`	`~lart jzr-`
`01:24.22`	`victorvdl`	`ibot shoot jzr-`
`01:24.24`		`i don't know, victorvdl`
`01:24.39`	`victorvdl`	`ibot kill jzr-`
`01:24.40`		`victorvdl: bugger all, i dunno`
`01:25.25`	`victorvdl`	`Rats, ibot won't kill people anymore.`
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`01:27.47`	`jzr-`	`lol`
`01:28.01`	`jzr-`	`My parents say Mountain Dew is like methamphetamine`
`01:28.17`	`jzr-`	`Personally, i like coca-cola`
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`01:43.32`	`CodeYoddl`	`So, the Zaurus is about $299?`
`01:52.44`	`jzr-`	`350$ is the cheapest I have seen it new lately..`
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`01:52.59`	`jzr-`	`Just got one for 290$ off ebay with a 128mB sd card ;/`
`01:53.32`	`rabbit_uk`	`happy Xmas!`
`01:54.18`	`jzr-`	`indeed`
`01:54.28`	`jzr-`	`merry xmas`
`01:56.48`	`rabbit_uk`	`wow, 290 is good. I brought mine less than a month ago for �260 ~= 390$ without SD!`
`01:57.20`	`jzr-`	`yea I thought so.`
`01:57.31`	`jzr-`	`I might regret getting it used tho :/`
`01:57.47`	`boulez`	`I got mine new from Dell for just about $295`
`01:58.16`	`jzr-`	`They should be only like 225 maybe 250$..`
`01:58.37`	`jzr-`	`some of the new xscales are giving the zaurus a run for its money.`
`01:58.41`	`*** join/#zaurus smbj (~smbj@64.30.163.182)`
`01:58.45`	`jzr-`	`Like the Dell Axim`
`01:59.06`	`jzr-`	`mmm, like 300$ for a 300mhz xscale with 64 mB ram and 32 mB rom I believe`
`01:59.14`	`jzr-`	`and the cf and sd slots`
`01:59.26`	`jzr-`	`That includes pocketpc license 8/`
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`02:39.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hi`
`02:41.02`	`*** join/#zaurus ljp (~ljp@tf0226.peakpeak.com)`
`02:44.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`anyone windows users still around`
`02:44.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`??`
`02:45.42`	`ljp`	`no`
`02:46.00`	`prpplague`	`TheMasterMind1: not no, but hell no`
`02:46.31`	`ljp`	`actually, I like win2k`
`02:47.27`	`boulez`	`yeah, I'm here`
`02:47.37`	`prpplague`	`ljp: ewww!`
`02:47.44`	`prpplague`	`ljp: are you serious?`
`02:47.50`	`boulez`	`TheMasterMind1: still working on net over usb?`
`02:47.52`	`ljp`	`yes`
`02:48.03`	`boulez`	`I like win2k too`
`02:48.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`boulez yea, did you manage to get tsocks.ipk installed?`
`02:48.19`	`boulez`	`TheMasterMind1: not yet, but I just got ssh working so I can probably install it now`
`02:48.19`	`ljp`	`nothing in th elinux world can even come close to such audio apps as Cubase`
`02:48.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`boulez cool, try.`
`02:48.42`	`boulez`	`ljp: hehehe....that's why I'm using windows too...for audio`
`02:48.48`	`ljp`	`:D`
`02:48.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`boulez what was wrong with ssh?`
`02:48.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:49.03`	`boulez`	`i just didn't have it installed`
`02:49.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`on the z?`
`02:49.30`	`boulez`	`yes`
`02:49.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`aren't you running oz?`
`02:49.48`	`boulez`	`no`
`02:49.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oh`
`02:49.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i thought you were`
`02:49.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmmm`
`02:50.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`why not oz?`
`02:50.10`	`boulez`	`no, I couldn't get sync to work so I went back to sharp`
`02:50.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`02:50.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i feel your pain`
`02:50.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`actually, not really`
`02:51.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`but i'm trying to make that whole usb syncing/crashing/network issue better`
`02:51.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`im trying`
`02:51.35`	`boulez`	`cool`
`02:51.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm, i guess tsocks will work on sharp too`
`02:51.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`actually`
`02:52.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i doubt it will install right`
`02:52.08`	`boulez`	`oh`
`02:52.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cuz of symlink hell`
`02:52.40`	`boulez`	`so should I not worry about it?`
`02:52.49`	`boulez`	`I'd love to use OZ, I just can't handle the sync problems`
`02:53.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea, just wait til our next release`
`02:53.45`	`boulez`	`cool`
`02:53.50`	`boulez`	`Ok, so I shouldn't even try this?`
`02:54.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`no, don't try it`
`02:54.29`	`boulez`	`ok`
`03:04.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`any oz + windows users around`
`03:04.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`?`
`03:04.39`	`Pendalar`	`yes`
`03:04.45`	`Pendalar`	`although I'm pissed about it l0(`
`03:04.49`	`Pendalar`	`;-) rather`
`03:05.15`	`Pendalar`	`been fighting with qtopia and wifi`
`03:05.33`	`Pendalar`	`almost got qtopia earlier, now the network app killed my network.opts etc`
`03:05.44`	`Pendalar`	`so starting over, one last time`
`03:10.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`don't use the network app`
`03:10.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its not worth it`
`03:11.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`anyway`
`03:11.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`do you have internet on the z?`
`03:11.13`	`Pendalar`	`I know that now, but most of the confs, etc are gone`
`03:11.19`	`Pendalar`	`via usb or wifi?`
`03:11.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`usb`
`03:12.05`	`Pendalar`	`no I haven't got qtopia working yet`
`03:12.14`	`Pendalar`	`I figure if qtopia works, then just open ICS`
`03:12.38`	`Pendalar`	`I set it to 192.168.129.201 and all but it laughs at me`
`03:12.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`did you do security`
`03:12.54`	`Pendalar`	`I like oz/opie but these networking funs are getting to me`
`03:12.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`go to settings security and set to any`
`03:13.06`	`Pendalar`	`yes and did the allow/deny thing`
`03:13.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`set it to any`
`03:13.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its buggy`
`03:13.37`	`*** join/#zaurus james_lan (~zic@ip68-102-114-12.ks.ok.cox.net)`
`03:13.37`	`Pendalar`	`done`
`03:15.15`	`Pendalar`	`in network`
`03:15.19`	`Pendalar`	`usbd isn't even listed now`
`03:15.33`	`Pendalar`	`I don't mean it says it's down, I mean it's gone =-/`
`03:16.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`add it to /etc/pcmcia/interfaces`
`03:16.19`	`james_lan`	`anyone know how to get opie-remote working? (oz 3.1rc1)`
`03:16.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`err`
`03:16.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`james_lan opie-remote sucks`
`03:16.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`james_lan ipkg install lirc; zremote in console`
`03:16.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`like the topic says in #openzaurus`
`03:17.26`	`Pendalar`	`I don't know how to do that`
`03:20.15`	`james_lan`	`seems to be working zaurus side anyway... now to find a real tv :)`
`03:20.46`	`*** join/#zaurus treke\|wherever (~ggilbert@ip60-25.outside.westmont.edu)`
`03:21.29`	`*** join/#zaurus oGMo (~rpav@208.187.159.21)`
`03:22.29`	`james_lan`	`anyone working on any interesting projects?`
`03:22.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`not really`
`03:22.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`do you use windows?`
`03:23.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`let me know what you think of zremote.. i'm planning on improving it soon`
`03:23.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sugesstions are welcome`
`03:23.30`	`james_lan`	`not unless neccesary`
`03:24.20`	`james_lan`	`doen't seem to map to an icon (can't get back to it)`
`03:24.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea, i know`
`03:24.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'll fix that`
`03:25.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`grr, where are all the damn windows users`
`03:25.53`	`james_lan`	`why?`
`03:25.58`	`ljp`	`maybe no one wants to be a guinea pig`
`03:26.18`	`james_lan`	`for?`
`03:26.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`~lart ljp`
`03:26.34`	`ljp`	`hmm`
`03:26.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`james_lan working on a solution for getting internet on the zaurus without ics crap`
`03:26.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`for em clueless windows users`
`03:27.08`	`nadav`	`hm`
`03:27.44`	`james_lan`	`I think I know one or two who were windows users w/clue ...`
`03:28.05`	`james_lan`	`they have moved to linux or bsd now`
`03:28.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`clueful windows users`
`03:29.04`	`Pendalar`	`I still use windows`
`03:29.11`	`Pendalar`	`when I have to`
`03:30.25`	`nadav`	`i'm lucky.. windows can't run on this machine :P`
`03:30.41`	`james_lan`	`well, so do I (mostly because it is trying to mess up samba or someone's profile)`
`03:30.49`	`james_lan`	`what machine?`
`03:31.23`	`nadav`	`mac`
`03:31.49`	`nadav`	`well, i DO have an x86 box right next to me.. but still`
`03:31.58`	`*** join/#zaurus Tenchi (~phil@pcp188766pcs.trentn01.nj.comcast.net)`
`03:32.05`	`james_lan`	`bochs :) (anything with a decent compiler can run windows...slowly) :)`
`03:32.18`	`nadav`	`heh`
`03:32.25`	`nadav`	`sure.. virtual pc works too`
`03:32.26`	`james_lan`	`scary isn't it?`
`03:32.38`	`nadav`	`but i DON'T want to run windows :P`
`03:33.13`	`james_lan`	`doesn't mean it does. though didn't someone get win95 on Z?`
`03:33.22`	`nadav`	`yeah`
`03:34.08`	`james_lan`	`hehe ... normal speed`
`03:34.16`	`nadav`	`normal speed?`
`03:34.40`	`james_lan`	`for 95 (slow, and slower)`
`03:34.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wow`
`03:34.45`	`nadav`	`haha`
`03:34.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its working..`
`03:34.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i think`
`03:35.01`	`nadav`	`http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=669 <- that's it.. windows 98 actually`
`03:35.09`	`james_lan`	`might be an interesting way for mplayer to use the win32 codecs...`
`03:35.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`03:35.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i doubt it'd work`
`03:36.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`03:36.12`	`nadav`	`notice they didn't actually post screenshots of windows... just the boot screen`
`03:37.15`	`james_lan`	`if one was running a very base (and didn't mind slowness) linux w/ hacked mplayer that only took virtual network input, and dumped back usable data to a native mplayer...`
`03:37.39`	`james_lan`	`note to self/world: I am insane`
`03:37.45`	`nadav`	`hah`
`03:38.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wow`
`03:38.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it like.. works`
`03:38.07`	`*** join/#zaurus nephlim_ (~nephlim@12-224-61-41.client.attbi.com)`
`03:38.12`	`nadav`	`l33t`
`03:38.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cept you can't ping and dns won't work`
`03:38.25`	`nadav`	`maybe i'll try it in a sec`
`03:38.27`	`james_lan`	`might work, bochs seems to have speeded up significantly.`
`03:38.29`	`nadav`	`uh`
`03:38.35`	`nadav`	`TheMasterMind1: no ping = works?`
`03:38.36`	`nadav`	`:P`
`03:38.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea`
`03:38.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`does ping use tcp/udp`
`03:38.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it has its own imcp doesn't it`
`03:38.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that would explain why it won't work`
`03:39.00`	`james_lan`	`icmp`
`03:39.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea, you know what i mean`
`03:39.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i can't type on this pos keyboard`
`03:39.10`	`nadav`	`oh, right`
`03:39.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so the pings don't work over the socks proxy`
`03:39.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nor does dns.. not sure about that one`
`03:39.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`probably cuz of the way its setup`
`03:40.16`	`james_lan`	`I have been trying to see if a webtv kb would work, but nothing so far, anyone know where an ipkg with irw is?`
`03:40.22`	`james_lan`	`udp = dns`
`03:41.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`james_lan it should work just fine.. get linbar from linbar.sf.net`
`03:41.14`	`james_lan`	`needs to access a low static port if I recall correcly`
`03:41.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm, i didn't package irw`
`03:41.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`one sec, i'll put it up somewhere for ya`
`03:41.41`	`angry`	`can the SSH OZ package run on the sharp rom?`
`03:42.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`james_lan www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/irw`
`03:42.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`:)`
`03:42.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`download the binary and enjoy`
`03:43.06`	`james_lan`	`thx`
`03:43.23`	`james_lan`	`angry: I think so.`
`03:43.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`anyone know of a free/oss windows socks5 proxy`
`03:47.15`	`james_lan`	`not off the top of my head, sorry`
`03:49.05`	`*** join/#zaurus tagZ (~tag@198.202.25.152)`
`03:49.55`	`*** join/#zaurus LordDavon (davon@ptd-24-198-5-74.maine.rr.com)`
`03:49.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon hey`
`03:50.01`	`james_lan`	`sometimes I want to shoot people who make things that don't automatically prepend http:// to a web address`
`03:50.01`	`LordDavon`	`Hello everyone`
`03:50.04`	`james_lan`	`hi`
`03:50.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon know of any socks proxies for windows?`
`03:50.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`free ones`
`03:50.18`	`badl`	`hmmm can you guys access www.zaurus.com -- or is it down?`
`03:50.21`	`LordDavon`	`proxy+`
`03:50.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i hate how all these apps are like million different things in one`
`03:50.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`why cant i find one thing that does only socks?!`
`03:50.56`	`LordDavon`	`Just disable everything but`
`03:51.25`	`LordDavon`	`badl: I was having problems earlier.`
`03:51.38`	`badl`	`k.. was wondering if it was just me`
`03:52.17`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: I got all the Mame's working on the C700.`
`03:52.20`	`angry`	`are there any WLAN Z < - > WLAN Z type apps to talk to others with a WLAN card?`
`03:52.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon nice nice`
`03:52.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon isn't this web interface for proxy+ a security hazard`
`03:52.35`	`james_lan`	`nice`
`03:53.00`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: No idea. I only used it for a little while over a year ago.`
`03:53.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon and is there a way i could install it on a machine with a specific configuration? like configure it once and then install it on many many machine.... never mind`
`03:53.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'll figure it out`
`03:53.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`how'd you get mame's working?`
`03:53.56`	`LordDavon`	`I converted a terminal app to run it the compatibility mode of 320x240.`
`03:54.07`	`LordDavon`	`Then I launched them once it was in that mode.`
`03:54.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ah`
`03:54.45`	`LordDavon`	`SDL keyboard code isn't working though.`
`03:55.03`	`LordDavon`	`It does run MAME applications faster then the StrongArm.`
`03:55.06`	`*** join/#zaurus jzr- (~tys0n@s3a-63.olypen.com)`
`03:56.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nice`
`03:56.57`	`james_lan`	`how much faster is it overall? Xscacle has an fpu, right?`
`03:57.18`	`Pendalar`	`before I go to sleep, LD what url is it where your advance config file is posted?`
`03:58.03`	`LordDavon`	`I could play games with sound enabled that I couldnt enable sound on before. None of them are optimized for Xscale yet, so there is much room for improvement. I may talk to Mario and fix-up Zmame for him.`
`03:59.06`	`LordDavon`	`Pendalar, it is on the old zauruszone. If it is for MaxMame, set the frameskip to 0.7 and turn off auto. I don't think the timer in the StrongArm works correctly. I hope the Xscale will.`
`03:59.20`	`Pendalar`	`MESS`
`03:59.40`	`Pendalar`	`err MaxMESS`
`03:59.53`	`LordDavon`	`0.3 for Mess. Basically, that will set it to draw 1 of 3 frames.`
`04:00.14`	`Pendalar`	`the page is gone? I remember it was in a forum`
`04:00.31`	`*** join/#zaurus j0sh (~jebus@dialup-67.28.77.232.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net)`
`04:01.00`	`j0sh`	`is their anyway to get pico for my zaurus 5500 ?`
`04:01.09`	`nadav`	`yes`
`04:01.14`	`j0sh`	`from where?`
`04:01.15`	`nadav`	`http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org`
`04:01.18`	`j0sh`	`k`
`04:01.22`	`j0sh`	`thanks!`
`04:01.23`	`j0sh`	`;)`
`04:01.23`	`LordDavon`	`Nope. It is still there. http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=4432&s=6bb63007b7b5e866962abbb42999c476`
`04:01.26`	`j0sh`	`sounds like rpmfind`
`04:01.26`	`nadav`	`i'd recommend getting nano-stable`
`04:01.36`	`j0sh`	`is it better?`
`04:01.37`	`nadav`	`i think there's some trouble with pico`
`04:01.41`	`Pendalar`	`thanks man`
`04:01.45`	`LordDavon`	`No problem.`
`04:01.54`	`j0sh`	`is it cool if i hang out here?`
`04:01.55`	`nadav`	`nano is enhanced pico`
`04:02.02`	`j0sh`	`i just got my zaurus, and im excited`
`04:02.04`	`j0sh`	`wanting to learn`
`04:02.09`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: I was thinking about what you said about joining OZ the other day...`
`04:02.18`	`nadav`	`j0sh: cool, congrats :)`
`04:02.24`	`nadav`	`j0sh: you a linux user?`
`04:02.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon joining oz?`
`04:02.34`	`james_lan`	`josh: programmer?`
`04:02.34`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: I just don't think I would have time.`
`04:02.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ah`
`04:02.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`darn`
`04:02.55`	`j0sh`	`yes i use linux, for my business(webhosting, shell hosting), but i like the idea of a handheld PC`
`04:02.56`	`j0sh`	`;)`
`04:02.59`	`j0sh`	`its l33t lol`
`04:03.09`	`j0sh`	`is OpenZaurus worth getting?`
`04:03.14`	`nadav`	`definetely`
`04:03.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh yep :)`
`04:03.19`	`james_lan`	`well you can even irc on it :)`
`04:03.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'm a little biased since i develop it :)`
`04:03.32`	`j0sh`	`can i run my TheKompany stuff?`
`04:03.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`or help devleop it anyway`
`04:03.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh yep`
`04:03.42`	`nadav`	`j0sh: what's the name of your business?`
`04:03.45`	`j0sh`	`nice im game`
`04:03.47`	`james_lan`	`I just moved over, I would suggest 3.0 for the moment`
`04:03.51`	`j0sh`	`zShell.tk, its down right now`
`04:03.54`	`j0sh`	`upgrading the HDD`
`04:03.55`	`nadav`	`hm`
`04:03.56`	`nadav`	`ok`
`04:04.02`	`LordDavon`	`If I clear up some of my other work, it is probably doable. You are welcome to join ELDG and get involved with the MaxProjects though!`
`04:04.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`3.1rc2 will use the .19 kernel`
`04:04.18`	`j0sh`	`i downloaded 3.0`
`04:04.18`	`james_lan`	`3.1rc1 had problems with a 0sto-64mem config`
`04:04.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its going to fix so many problems`
`04:04.22`	`j0sh`	`should i install it?`
`04:04.28`	`j0sh`	`right now?`
`04:04.28`	`j0sh`	`;P`
`04:04.31`	`nadav`	`j0sh: do you hang around on WHT? the name sounds familiar`
`04:04.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh 3.1 works better with tkc`
`04:04.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`3.0 has problems with tkc`
`04:04.46`	`j0sh`	`nah`
`04:04.50`	`james_lan`	`make opera, hancom and such pkgs first`
`04:04.51`	`j0sh`	`hrm`
`04:04.54`	`j0sh`	`fuck`
`04:05.01`	`j0sh`	`im on dialup and just downloaded everything for 3.0`
`04:05.03`	`j0sh`	`lol!`
`04:05.09`	`j0sh`	`oh well, ill get 3.1`
`04:05.29`	`jzr-`	`lol @ DrunkSanta`
`04:05.31`	`j0sh`	`3.1rc1 ?`
`04:06.11`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: Maybe I will join after my divorce if final. :-/`
`04:06.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wow`
`04:06.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`this socks stuff works really well`
`04:06.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i can use web/irc/ssh seamlessly`
`04:06.59`	`j0sh`	`hrm`
`04:07.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon any little bit of helping out you do will be much appriciated.`
`04:07.06`	`j0sh`	`where can i buy wireless internet for my zaurus?`
`04:07.12`	`j0sh`	`that would be quite nice`
`04:07.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh eh?`
`04:07.27`	`james_lan`	`any wireless cf pretty much works`
`04:07.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i dunno if sharp still sells their whatchamacallit internet thing`
`04:07.41`	`james_lan`	`for 802.11b`
`04:07.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh you want a wireless lan or wireless internet everywhere you go`
`04:07.55`	`j0sh`	`yes`
`04:07.57`	`j0sh`	`;P`
`04:07.59`	`james_lan`	`goodnight`
`04:07.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yes?`
`04:08.00`	`j0sh`	`i want to IRC in school`
`04:08.02`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:08.04`	`*** part/#zaurus rabbit_uk (~chatzilla@host81-7-60-230.surfport24.v21.co.uk)`
`04:08.05`	`nadav`	`yes?`
`04:08.11`	`nadav`	`sharp's thing is still around`
`04:08.12`	`nadav`	`erm`
`04:08.12`	`j0sh`	`si`
`04:08.16`	`nadav`	`http://sharpmobile.com`
`04:08.17`	`j0sh`	`is it good?`
`04:08.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you can check to see if your school has a wireless lan`
`04:08.19`	`nadav`	`think that's it`
`04:08.21`	`james_lan`	`$40 a month, plus in a supported area`
`04:08.24`	`j0sh`	`whats the best`
`04:08.39`	`j0sh`	`damn`
`04:08.42`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:08.48`	`nadav`	`IRC from school has been my dream for a while`
`04:08.50`	`j0sh`	`its worth it tho`
`04:08.57`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: I just don't want to make another commitment right now. MaxProjects, Embedded Linux Developers Group, Single Father, Divorce, Work, etc... plus I want to go through the SDL code and get the Qtopia stuff fixed for the C700.`
`04:09.00`	`j0sh`	`i think ima get it`
`04:09.03`	`j0sh`	`yo`
`04:09.17`	`james_lan`	`ld: full plate`
`04:09.34`	`j0sh`	`if i wanna use TheKompany stuff i need 3.1rc1`
`04:09.35`	`j0sh`	`?`
`04:09.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon not really a commitment. we're all basically helping out whenever and however we can`
`04:09.42`	`james_lan`	`takes up the cf (either`
`04:09.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh yes`
`04:09.46`	`nadav`	`nah, it should run on 3.0`
`04:09.51`	`nadav`	`oh?`
`04:09.53`	`LordDavon`	`james_lan: Heh... and I still have time to come here and hang out with you guys. ;)`
`04:09.54`	`j0sh`	`can i still install ipkg's in OZ ?`
`04:09.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it will have problems in 3.0`
`04:10.02`	`james_lan`	`hehe`
`04:10.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`compatibility was fixed in 3.1`
`04:10.09`	`james_lan`	`j: yes`
`04:10.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh yes, oz has its own feed full of software you can install`
`04:10.21`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: Ok. As long as I am not obligated to produce anything right now... I will join up and help out.`
`04:10.24`	`tagZ`	`heh`
`04:10.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and a very nice ipkg frontend`
`04:10.33`	`j0sh`	`=]`
`04:10.35`	`j0sh`	`nice`
`04:10.40`	`j0sh`	`cool if i chill here and learn?`
`04:10.42`	`j0sh`	`;P`
`04:10.44`	`tagZ`	`how do I pageup on this thing ?`
`04:10.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and a decent mostly-bug-free verseion of ipkg (thanks to me ;0)`
`04:10.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`04:10.49`	`j0sh`	`the zaurus is so sexy`
`04:10.49`	`j0sh`	`;/`
`04:10.52`	`j0sh`	`i want to marry it`
`04:10.54`	`nadav`	`haha`
`04:10.57`	`nadav`	`how much did you pay?`
`04:10.58`	`tagZ`	`yea itis`
`04:11.05`	`j0sh`	`399`
`04:11.06`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:11.07`	`tagZ`	`I love this thi g`
`04:11.08`	`j0sh`	`thinkgeek.com`
`04:11.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i really want a c700 to develop on`
`04:11.11`	`tagZ`	`thing`
`04:11.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`need to get some money together`
`04:11.20`	`LordDavon`	`LMAO`
`04:11.30`	`james_lan`	`tmm: ditto`
`04:11.51`	`j0sh`	`man`
`04:11.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon grab a copy of the oz buildroot and get yourself familiar with that`
`04:11.56`	`j0sh`	`once i get alot of shit on my zaurus`
`04:12.00`	`j0sh`	`ill do something`
`04:12.03`	`j0sh`	`itll freeze`
`04:12.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the buildroot is a great thing`
`04:12.04`	`tagZ`	`I just wish I could get my usb working to use it as a wireless acess point`
`04:12.17`	`j0sh`	`and all i can do to get it back up, is to switch the change battery thing`
`04:12.19`	`james_lan`	`oz is nice, all stored on flash`
`04:12.19`	`j0sh`	`and then i gotta reinstall`
`04:12.21`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:12.24`	`j0sh`	`ive been doing this all night`
`04:12.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh heh, its much better in OZ`
`04:12.29`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: Ok. Thursday. I need to start disecting the C700 anyways and see what can be mismatched.`
`04:12.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh you don't lose your data`
`04:12.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon sounds good`
`04:12.43`	`j0sh`	`k :)`
`04:12.45`	`tagZ`	`really`
`04:12.51`	`james_lan`	`at least if you go for all memory=memory`
`04:13.01`	`j0sh`	`i did`
`04:13.02`	`tagZ`	`I should install OZ`
`04:13.04`	`j0sh`	`32x32`
`04:13.17`	`j0sh`	`or whatever`
`04:13.18`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:13.24`	`LordDavon`	`NOTE: To all who are looking into the C700...`
`04:13.26`	`j0sh`	`alright`
`04:13.27`	`LordDavon`	`GET ONE!!!!`
`04:13.30`	`tagZ`	`I need an sd card`
`04:13.37`	`j0sh`	`its fun downloading initrd.bin on a 56k`
`04:13.39`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:13.39`	`LordDavon`	`This is the best PDA I have ever used.`
`04:13.41`	`james_lan`	`I compile and have a 128M sd`
`04:13.48`	`nadav`	`oi`
`04:14.07`	`james_lan`	`so I went the 64-0 route`
`04:14.07`	`j0sh`	`how much is a C700?`
`04:14.12`	`tagZ`	`yea ?`
`04:14.15`	`james_lan`	`700$`
`04:14.19`	`LordDavon`	`$699.00`
`04:14.24`	`j0sh`	`is it worth it?`
`04:14.33`	`tagZ`	`where can I get the right sd do they all work?`
`04:14.34`	`nadav`	`$700 for a pda?`
`04:14.41`	`LordDavon`	`I think so.`
`04:14.54`	`james_lan`	`tz pretty much`
`04:15.12`	`james_lan`	`oz has the latest sharp sd driver.`
`04:15.13`	`tagZ`	`oh`
`04:15.13`	`LordDavon`	`I paid $650 for my Ipaq 3635 a few years back plus shipping.`
`04:15.25`	`*** join/#zaurus Hellaenergy (~Hellaener@hellaweb.com)`
`04:15.27`	`LordDavon`	`They were sold out everywhere at the time too.`
`04:15.33`	`*** part/#zaurus Baruch_Goldstein (~bob@d57-37-118.home.cgocable.net)`
`04:15.36`	`tagZ`	`I dunno anything about OZ`
`04:15.53`	`j0sh`	`can i still play my games i got on OZ ?`
`04:16.00`	`tagZ`	`do I need my usb cradle working to install it?`
`04:16.00`	`james_lan`	`package up opera, jeode, handcom first`
`04:16.05`	`nadav`	`what games?`
`04:16.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you can do everything and more on OZ`
`04:16.16`	`james_lan`	`no, cf card`
`04:16.16`	`j0sh`	`hehe`
`04:16.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`tagZ no you need a cf card`
`04:16.27`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: Ummm... don't slap me but no. lol`
`04:16.29`	`oGMo`	`TheMasterMind1: i tried to make toast with OZ, and it didn't work :(`
`04:16.41`	`james_lan`	`hehe`
`04:16.42`	`tagZ`	`only cf card I have is my wireless`
`04:16.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`04:16.48`	`oGMo`	`the screen got all messed up when i tried to apply the butter`
`04:16.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wow, i just realized..`
`04:16.50`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: kergoth fix that d*mn bug yet!!!!!!!!!!`
`04:17.02`	`j0sh`	`its games rocketelite interstellar flames, qtopia Gnuboy, motocross stunt racer strategic assult`
`04:17.04`	`j0sh`	`they will work?`
`04:17.07`	`tagZ`	`I wanted to stick with sd for storage`
`04:17.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`for $700 i could make myself a pretty nice desktop`
`04:17.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon which one`
`04:17.26`	`oGMo`	`TheMasterMind1: but you can't fit a desktop in your pocket! ;)`
`04:17.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh yes`
`04:17.31`	`james_lan`	`gnuboy is in the feed, don't know about the others`
`04:17.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oGMo yea..`
`04:17.38`	`oGMo`	`and you can't impress your geek buddies with a $700 pc`
`04:17.40`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: Floating point/Segfault bug in libc/pthreads.`
`04:17.53`	`j0sh`	`i kinda sorta paid for those games`
`04:17.55`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:17.57`	`tagZ`	`this thing is elite`
`04:17.59`	`oGMo`	`but the pc is probably more useful when it comes down to it`
`04:18.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon never heard about that one, i doubt he has. he's been working on kernel mostly lately`
`04:18.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh yes, they will work`
`04:18.13`	`james_lan`	`my desktop is moved pretty often.`
`04:18.19`	`LordDavon`	`j0sh: Everyones applications work but mine. ;)`
`04:18.31`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:18.38`	`tagZ`	`I dont care about usefull this is the dopest toy Ive ever had`
`04:18.41`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: He has been assigned to it for a while. It is in the bug tracker. Priority 7.`
`04:18.54`	`j0sh`	`i want GCC/CC and shit working on my 5500`
`04:18.55`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:19.05`	`james_lan`	`would have been nice of sf to have a redirect @ z.sf.net`
`04:19.24`	`tagZ`	`speaking of which my battery is finally dead so I gottaa sign off`
`04:19.24`	`james_lan`	`go to community.zaurus.com`
`04:19.34`	`j0sh`	`also`
`04:19.44`	`j0sh`	`wtf happens if i didnt charge my batter 24 hours like it said?`
`04:19.49`	`j0sh`	`i charged it till the amber light went off..`
`04:19.52`	`james_lan`	`and get (from old sf) and download dev_img-1.3`
`04:20.25`	`james_lan`	`some people have problems when main battery goes out.`
`04:20.26`	`LordDavon`	`j0sh: The only thing stopping me from putting OZ on my 5500 is a small bug that affects only a few applications. Other then that, I would not have removed it.`
`04:20.59`	`james_lan`	`I didn't charge 24 hours and don't have that problem.`
`04:21.13`	`j0sh`	`if i dont like oz is it hard to switch back?`
`04:21.33`	`james_lan`	`just put the sharp rom on a cf and reflash.`
`04:21.35`	`LordDavon`	`TMM: Can you test Zmame in the latest version. I wonder if the bug is gone with all of the changes.`
`04:21.59`	`tag`	`I should get all that compact flash stuff`
`04:21.59`	`j0sh`	`whats the BEST game for zaurus?`
`04:22.00`	`j0sh`	`:P`
`04:22.24`	`tag`	`j0sh: you want games go get a gameboy advance :P`
`04:22.30`	`james_lan`	`mindbreaker :)`
`04:22.31`	`j0sh`	`haha`
`04:22.32`	`j0sh`	`i got one`
`04:22.39`	`j0sh`	`;)`
`04:22.39`	`LordDavon`	`MaxMame is the absolute best application ever written for any platform ever!`
`04:22.39`	`nadav`	`heh`
`04:22.39`	`jzr-`	`zelda on gnuboy ;D`
`04:22.50`	`nadav`	`it makes you feel speshal showing people how you can run bitchx on your pda`
`04:23.05`	`james_lan`	`zic here`
`04:23.05`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:23.10`	`tag`	`forreal`
`04:23.11`	`j0sh`	`is it hard?`
`04:23.13`	`tag`	`I jsut use epic`
`04:23.16`	`tag`	`heheh`
`04:23.21`	`j0sh`	`cant u just get the binarys?`
`04:23.22`	`nadav`	`bitchx is on ipkgfind`
`04:23.24`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:23.24`	`jzr-`	`epic > *`
`04:23.31`	`nadav`	`http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org`
`04:23.34`	`j0sh`	`ahh`
`04:23.40`	`tag`	`my favorite is perl -v showing 5.6 arm-linux`
`04:23.55`	`nadav`	`heh`
`04:24.29`	`james_lan`	`checkout what oz has: http://openzaurus.org/official/testing/feed`
`04:24.30`	`tag`	`since myself and my friend are all perl heads`
`04:24.52`	`james_lan`	`the Package file has a description`
`04:25.29`	`james_lan`	`of all the packages, and it should run all the stuff for normal Z`
`04:26.15`	`LordDavon`	`TheMasterMind1: I think the best feature of the C700 is that it switches resolution. Now if I can only find the command line trigger!`
`04:26.24`	`j0sh`	`on my zarus with sharp's rom, i installed libncurses, i tried JOE and emacs, both said something like "error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory" and i installed libso5 :/`
`04:26.37`	`j0sh`	`is this fixed in OZ ?`
`04:26.43`	`james_lan`	`on oz?`
`04:26.48`	`nadav`	`emacs on the Z? shivers`
`04:27.07`	`j0sh`	`same error with the JOE`
`04:27.11`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:27.11`	`*** join/#zaurus Hellaenergy (~Hellaener@hellaweb.com)`
`04:27.30`	`tag`	`merry christmas`
`04:27.36`	`Hellaenergy`	`you too`
`04:27.37`	`james_lan`	`sitting in /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5`
`04:27.54`	`LordDavon`	`j0sh: Many libraries have issues on Sharps ROM because the /lib directory is not on RAM. OZ does not lock the ROM and allows it to be writable (At least the last I knew).`
`04:28.11`	`j0sh`	`so..`
`04:28.16`	`j0sh`	`u think itll work fine with OZ?`
`04:28.21`	`j0sh`	`im bout to goto the beach for vacation`
`04:28.25`	`j0sh`	`and i want everything to work nicely`
`04:28.27`	`j0sh`	`before i leave`
`04:28.41`	`LordDavon`	`I used it on OZ>`
`04:28.56`	`james_lan`	`not in my feed, so no experemental evidence, but yes.`
`04:29.16`	`j0sh`	`bleh`
`04:29.22`	`j0sh`	`i want wireless internet for it bad :(`
`04:29.22`	`tag`	`I cant flash my rom with a sd card?`
`04:29.27`	`j0sh`	`is it unlimited hours?`
`04:29.29`	`james_lan`	`no`
`04:29.53`	`j0sh`	`can i flash rom on a CF card?`
`04:30.00`	`james_lan`	`the $40 yes, but 19kbps or so bandwidth`
`04:30.03`	`j0sh`	`i got a 64MB and 32MB flash`
`04:30.03`	`LordDavon`	`j0sh: I never wanted wireless internet before the C700. Now I want it badly!`
`04:30.07`	`james_lan`	`yes on cf`
`04:30.25`	`tag`	`j0sh: depends on the wireless - if you get the cdpd it is dependant upon the company/plan you use or if you use tmobile hotspot it only works in certain small areas (but its good here because when I'm gone I'm usually in the city and new york has pretty good coverage)`
`04:30.25`	`j0sh`	`;/`
`04:30.32`	`jzr-`	`32mb flash?`
`04:30.40`	`jzr-`	`Or 16?`
`04:31.17`	`j0sh`	`25 more mins for initrd.bin`
`04:31.18`	`j0sh`	`:~(`
`04:31.20`	`j0sh`	`i hate dialup`
`04:31.20`	`tag`	`I'm trying to avoid dumping money into compact flash storage`
`04:31.21`	`j0sh`	`:~(~(`
`04:31.27`	`james_lan`	`for cf? needed for flash-32 (24 maybe)`
`04:31.48`	`jzr-`	`sd memory is good`
`04:31.54`	`jzr-`	`I wish I could flash from it :/`
`04:32.09`	`james_lan`	`size + some extra (don't remember how much more, but 32 is safe)`
`04:32.17`	`tag`	`I'd rather buy sd just because I a 802.11b CF card and I'll probably get a cdpd one as well and I dont forsee me using my zaurus without either of those very often (pretty much never)`
`04:32.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wow!`
`04:33.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`SockServ is PERFECT`
`04:33.12`	`tag`	`jzr-: yea thats just the thing, I think openZaurus is probably a good idea but I really dont want to buy cf memory heh`
`04:33.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its the greatest socks proxy ever`
`04:33.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nice simple clean gpl`
`04:33.19`	`jzr-`	`vsocks is coo to`
`04:33.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`vsocks?`
`04:33.25`	`*** join/#zaurus victorvdl (~victorvdl@ip115.100-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com)`
`04:33.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lemme google for it`
`04:33.36`	`jzr-`	`tag: indeed`
`04:34.00`	`tag`	`so its pretty much impossible to flash the rom without a cf card eh?`
`04:34.23`	`james_lan`	`I know what you mean. (rather than a good laptop my family got Zs with 128 of each, the cf is useful when out of wlan, or going to/from someone else's laptop.`
`04:34.58`	`james_lan`	`sharp has a windows app that allows it, but nothing else can.`
`04:35.10`	`tag`	`oh I can do it with a windows app`
`04:35.15`	`tag`	`I better get this dock working then`
`04:35.16`	`tag`	`heh`
`04:35.23`	`james_lan`	`for the sharp roms only.`
`04:35.27`	`tag`	`oh`
`04:35.52`	`tag`	`not for OZ?`
`04:35.52`	`james_lan`	`no`
`04:35.52`	`tag`	`homosexual`
`04:35.52`	`james_lan`	`?`
`04:35.59`	`tag`	`that is extreamly homosexual`
`04:36.29`	`tag`	`that I have to buy cf memory to flash my zaurus and basically I'll only get to use the cf memory for flashing my zaurus :/`
`04:36.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i need to find a copy of bind95`
`04:37.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`tag blame the sharp developers who made it that way`
`04:37.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`plus, you can use the cf for something else`
`04:37.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`mp3s? movies?`
`04:37.46`	`j0sh`	`can u access internet @ all with the usb shit?`
`04:38.03`	`tag`	`I dont use either instead I use a 802.11b cf flash card and stream to my zaurus`
`04:38.05`	`j0sh`	`like use ur PC's internet?`
`04:38.36`	`tag`	`j0sh: should be able to but I haven't gotten to fixing my usb to check it out yet`
`04:38.49`	`j0sh`	`how?`
`04:38.51`	`j0sh`	`how could u?`
`04:40.02`	`tag`	`well as far as I got before I realized my kernel absolutely refuses to load usbcore I noticed that the zaurus treats the dock as a networking device you chould just use either your system or your zaurus as the gateway (to go whichever way) theoretically but I haven't been able to test it again like I said`
`04:40.19`	`tag`	`but I would like to`
`04:40.27`	`tag`	`use my zaurus as a wireless access point for my laptop`
`04:40.51`	`j0sh`	`hrm`
`04:40.56`	`j0sh`	`well i got my thing on the dock`
`04:41.02`	`j0sh`	`;/`
`04:41.29`	`tag`	`well get your thing out of there and put your pda in instead`
`04:41.35`	`tag`	`:P`
`04:41.36`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:41.37`	`j0sh`	`okay`
`04:41.40`	`j0sh`	`1 sek`
`04:41.42`	`j0sh`	`it feels good`
`04:41.43`	`j0sh`	`;/`
`04:41.46`	`tag`	`hahah`
`04:41.52`	`j0sh`	`any docs on how to do it maybe?`
`04:41.56`	`j0sh`	`that would be tight`
`04:42.19`	`tag`	`no idea`
`04:42.54`	`jzr-`	`http://zaurus.kruss.com/software.php`
`04:43.09`	`jzr-`	`theres a shell script to run on there to setup the zaurus for network use`
`04:43.24`	`tag`	`I was just going to tell my zaurus to use both the wifi and the usb networking devices and then reroute my lappy to use the zaurus ip as the gateway but one thing I dont know (because I didn't get that far) is if the laptop treats the dock as a networking device as well (I would assume so since the zaurus appears to)`
`04:43.28`	`jzr-`	`and some notes if you are really stupid`
`04:44.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`04:45.26`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:45.28`	`tag`	`I'm unzipping an updated kernel now I'm gonna try to build a usbcore that works this time`
`04:45.29`	`j0sh`	`i cant find it`
`04:45.29`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`04:50.03`	`tag`	`I should get an external battery pack thing for this`
`04:51.50`	`jzr-`	`get a solar cell`
`04:52.15`	`j0sh`	`i just did the flash thing`
`04:52.20`	`j0sh`	`and its sitting with the email light on`
`04:52.24`	`j0sh`	`and i cant turn it on`
`04:52.24`	`james_lan`	`where are any of those`
`04:52.24`	`j0sh`	`;/`
`04:52.32`	`nadav`	`j0sh: both lights on?`
`04:52.33`	`nadav`	`that's good`
`04:52.36`	`nadav`	`wait until they turn off`
`04:52.39`	`j0sh`	`k`
`04:52.42`	`j0sh`	`how long does it take?`
`04:52.54`	`j0sh`	`should i plug it in?`
`04:52.58`	`james_lan`	`wait a bit after they turn off (min or two)`
`04:53.00`	`j0sh`	`it was it spose to be plugged in?`
`04:53.04`	`james_lan`	`have to`
`04:53.46`	`jzr-`	`i want to see you bust it`
`04:54.20`	`j0sh`	`k i did it again with the ac plug in it`
`04:54.27`	`j0sh`	`now both lights are on`
`04:54.36`	`j0sh`	`charge and email`
`04:54.48`	`j0sh`	`that means its flashing?`
`04:55.21`	`*** join/#zaurus prpplague (~joebob@21-190.lctv-b4.cablelynx.com)`
`04:56.52`	`j0sh`	`umm`
`04:56.55`	`j0sh`	`now the both lights off`
`04:56.58`	`j0sh`	`and it wont turn on ;/`
`04:58.21`	`james_lan`	`yes...wait a bit`
`04:58.35`	`james_lan`	`now try it again`
`04:59.27`	`j0sh`	`do i leave the battery cover off`
`04:59.31`	`j0sh`	`while its doing this?`
`05:00.27`	`jzr-`	`i suggest removing the battery`
`05:00.30`	`james_lan`	`the lights have gone out`
`05:00.33`	`james_lan`	`?`
`05:00.39`	`jzr-`	`makes it speed up :P`
`05:02.20`	`j0sh`	`they turned off`
`05:02.24`	`j0sh`	`im waiting 2 minutes`
`05:02.34`	`j0sh`	`then im gona push reset again, and slide it in and shit`
`05:02.35`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`05:03.12`	`james_lan`	`ok, put the battery back in, push reset, put the cover on, slide switch and hit cancel/on/off`
`05:03.12`	`j0sh`	`okay`
`05:03.15`	`j0sh`	`i turned it on`
`05:03.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sweet`
`05:03.22`	`j0sh`	`its sitting at the SHARP screen`
`05:03.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`got bind working too now`
`05:03.28`	`james_lan`	`shoot`
`05:03.38`	`james_lan`	`red sharp logo?`
`05:03.40`	`j0sh`	`yep`
`05:03.49`	`james_lan`	`didn't work`
`05:03.49`	`j0sh`	`with the white blinking thing all the way to the right`
`05:03.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh how long were both lights on`
`05:03.59`	`j0sh`	`2 minutes`
`05:04.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`05:04.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you sure you named the files properly`
`05:04.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`zimage and initrd.bin`
`05:04.11`	`j0sh`	`yes`
`05:04.14`	`j0sh`	`zImage`
`05:04.14`	`j0sh`	`and`
`05:04.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`windows hides extensions`
`05:04.17`	`j0sh`	`initrd.bin`
`05:04.18`	`j0sh`	`exactly`
`05:04.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it might be zimage.bin`
`05:04.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`but windows is hiding the extension`
`05:04.31`	`j0sh`	`=[`
`05:04.35`	`j0sh`	`how can i fix`
`05:04.38`	`j0sh`	`i cant do anything`
`05:04.41`	`james_lan`	`is there anything else on the card?`
`05:04.45`	`j0sh`	`yes`
`05:04.48`	`jzr-`	`lol`
`05:04.49`	`j0sh`	`in subdirectories`
`05:04.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh you have another card also?`
`05:04.56`	`j0sh`	`yes`
`05:04.58`	`j0sh`	`they both have shit`
`05:04.59`	`james_lan`	`probably the problem`
`05:04.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`try the other one`
`05:05.00`	`j0sh`	`in subdir's`
`05:05.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`no, other stuff on the card doesn't matter`
`05:05.09`	`james_lan`	`take everything else off.`
`05:05.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`no`
`05:05.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`no need`
`05:05.20`	`james_lan`	`it did yesterday.`
`05:05.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oh?`
`05:05.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`maybe then`
`05:05.30`	`james_lan`	`trust me, it did.`
`05:05.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`mostly its cuz they're not formatted right`
`05:05.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the partition type isn't set to fat16`
`05:05.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`could be any of a number of things`
`05:06.00`	`james_lan`	`I had a backup on mine, once I took that off, it worked fine.`
`05:06.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`try the other card`
`05:06.23`	`j0sh`	`:(((`
`05:06.27`	`j0sh`	`i cant do shit with it :~(`
`05:06.30`	`j0sh`	`wtf do i dooo`
`05:06.38`	`james_lan`	`don't panic`
`05:06.39`	`jzr-`	`AHHAHAH`
`05:06.43`	`jzr-`	`PANIC`
`05:06.46`	`jzr-`	`ITS THE END`
`05:07.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wow, this works so well`
`05:07.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i am a genious`
`05:07.17`	`jzr-`	`You are`
`05:07.26`	`james_lan`	`try flashing again with the other card, or that card with nothing else on it.`
`05:07.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oz3.1 is going to rock`
`05:08.22`	`james_lan`	`is it going to have the ported ipaq sd driver or the sharp one?`
`05:08.43`	`j0sh`	`im trying flashing once more`
`05:08.43`	`j0sh`	`;/`
`05:08.46`	`j0sh`	`i hope this works`
`05:08.52`	`j0sh`	`how long do i let it sit after lights go off?`
`05:08.57`	`james_lan`	`just to be sure...`
`05:09.21`	`j0sh`	`well`
`05:09.24`	`j0sh`	`how do i restore it`
`05:09.25`	`j0sh`	`with`
`05:09.28`	`j0sh`	`sharps one?`
`05:09.33`	`j0sh`	`isnt it on the unit?`
`05:09.39`	`james_lan`	`battery out, plugged in, and both lights on`
`05:09.57`	`jzr-`	`will oz every have native java support?`
`05:09.58`	`j0sh`	`battery out?`
`05:09.59`	`james_lan`	`same way you are flashing now.`
`05:10.06`	`james_lan`	`yes`
`05:10.13`	`j0sh`	`it said not`
`05:10.16`	`j0sh`	`oh well`
`05:10.19`	`james_lan`	`that was to josh`
`05:10.19`	`j0sh`	`leme try it again once more`
`05:10.23`	`j0sh`	`then i try with battery out`
`05:10.32`	`jzr-`	`;P`
`05:10.44`	`james_lan`	`ok, switch in remove position`
`05:10.57`	`j0sh`	`light went out`
`05:10.58`	`j0sh`	`now what?`
`05:10.59`	`james_lan`	`you can use jeode if youipkg it`
`05:11.23`	`james_lan`	`way too short methinks, try to start it up.`
`05:12.22`	`j0sh`	`i took battery out`
`05:12.26`	`j0sh`	`now the battery thing is blinking`
`05:12.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`why did the take the battery out?!`
`05:12.44`	`j0sh`	`he said to`
`05:12.45`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`05:12.48`	`j0sh`	`it wouldnt boot`
`05:12.53`	`j0sh`	`it was at the red sharp label`
`05:12.53`	`j0sh`	`;/`
`05:12.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oh`
`05:12.56`	`j0sh`	`well`
`05:12.58`	`james_lan`	`for flash.`
`05:13.00`	`j0sh`	`how can i get it back to normal?`
`05:13.19`	`jzr-`	`omg`
`05:13.21`	`jzr-`	`Lol`
`05:14.07`	`j0sh`	`dude`
`05:14.11`	`j0sh`	`how do i get it back to normal`
`05:14.13`	`j0sh`	`nothing is working`
`05:14.25`	`j0sh`	`please`
`05:14.30`	`james_lan`	`follow the instructions for upgrading it on www.myzaurus.com`
`05:14.31`	`j0sh`	`i just want it back to sharps thing`
`05:14.38`	`j0sh`	`how?!`
`05:14.40`	`j0sh`	`i cant even get on it`
`05:15.02`	`james_lan`	`on www.myzaurus.com?`
`05:15.04`	`j0sh`	`i have to reflash`
`05:15.15`	`j0sh`	`how can i add more shit to the card without it being on?`
`05:15.16`	`j0sh`	`to dock?`
`05:16.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what? you don't have a CF writer?`
`05:17.10`	`j0sh`	`no`
`05:17.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sigh you should have mentioned that`
`05:17.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`could have put OSPACK on the other cf card`
`05:17.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`should have`
`05:17.31`	`james_lan`	`you did read the instructions didn't you?`
`05:17.39`	`j0sh`	`yes`
`05:17.53`	`james_lan`	`oh, boy.`
`05:17.55`	`j0sh`	`Make sure your files are in the root directory of your flash card. For example, if you copied the files to your Zaurus they will be in /mnt/cf/Documents/Applications/octet-stream. They should be moved to /mnt/cf (use the file manager for this or use the console).`
`05:18.09`	`j0sh`	`i cp'd them over`
`05:18.20`	`j0sh`	`theirs no way to restore default?`
`05:18.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`not without a cf writer`
`05:18.42`	`james_lan`	`yes, but it requires ospack being on cf.`
`05:18.48`	`j0sh`	`=/`
`05:18.58`	`j0sh`	`how much is a CF writer?`
`05:19.00`	`james_lan`	`which the docs point out.`
`05:19.12`	`james_lan`	`for what (usb, laptop)`
`05:19.19`	`j0sh`	`usb`
`05:19.29`	`JzR`	`lol`
`05:19.35`	`JzR`	`you just got it and you fucked it up`
`05:19.41`	`JzR`	`thats got to suck`
`05:19.41`	`j0sh`	`=[`
`05:19.42`	`james_lan`	`don't know, jumpshot cables work.`
`05:20.29`	`james_lan`	`I feel really bad, I thought you had another way to write to them.`
`05:20.36`	`j0sh`	`;/`
`05:20.42`	`j0sh`	`could it work?`
`05:20.47`	`j0sh`	`i copied them the way it told me`
`05:20.59`	`j0sh`	`look`
`05:21.00`	`j0sh`	`heres the dir`
`05:21.03`	`james_lan`	`copied what?`
`05:21.08`	`j0sh`	`?`
`05:21.12`	`j0sh`	`the files`
`05:21.13`	`j0sh`	`on the SD`
`05:21.18`	`j0sh`	`with Qtopia Desktop`
`05:21.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sd?`
`05:21.39`	`j0sh`	`Be sure to rename your zImage-[5000d\|5500]-Xmemory-Ystorage.bin to just "zImage" and make sure your initrd is named "initrd.bin". Transfer both files to your compactflash card. If you don't have a compactflash reader, you can copy the files to your Zaurus (via Qtopia Desktop, scp, ftp, or whatever method you use for file transfer) and move them onto the compactflash card.`
`05:21.43`	`j0sh`	`no`
`05:21.44`	`j0sh`	`cf`
`05:21.49`	`j0sh`	`sorry`
`05:21.50`	`j0sh`	`CF`
`05:22.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i can't believe they decided to base stuff off of something as crappily coded as qt`
`05:22.04`	`j0sh`	`64MB compact flash`
`05:22.04`	`JzR`	`this is just getting crazy`
`05:22.19`	`JzR`	`lol`
`05:22.21`	`james_lan`	`yes...`
`05:22.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh do you have a laptop ?`
`05:22.58`	`j0sh`	`no`
`05:23.03`	`james_lan`	`some part of the flashing did work (other wise it wouldn't have messed up)`
`05:23.22`	`j0sh`	`dude`
`05:23.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok.. just go to the store and grab a cheap usb writer for like $15`
`05:23.25`	`j0sh`	`i copied it perfectly`
`05:23.27`	`james_lan`	`my guess is that initrd flashed and zimage didn't`
`05:23.38`	`j0sh`	`its`
`05:23.39`	`j0sh`	`zImage`
`05:23.40`	`j0sh`	`right?`
`05:23.48`	`j0sh`	`"zImage"`
`05:23.51`	`j0sh`	`case sensitive`
`05:23.56`	`*** join/#zaurus enkrypted (enkrypted@pcp01399099pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net)`
`05:23.56`	`james_lan`	`yes`
`05:23.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh the copying part was fine, the part that fucked up was either qtopiadeskop (i'll bet it was) or the cf wasn't formatted right`
`05:24.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`case sensitive doesn't matter`
`05:24.12`	`j0sh`	`i didnt TOUCH the CF`
`05:24.19`	`j0sh`	`i just copied some ipkg's on their`
`05:24.20`	`j0sh`	`and the shit`
`05:24.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and you used qtopia desktop to transfer the file, and itsk know to corrupt file transfers`
`05:24.25`	`j0sh`	`moved the shit to /mnt/cf`
`05:24.37`	`j0sh`	`=[`
`05:24.48`	`j0sh`	`so`
`05:24.51`	`j0sh`	`i could goto staples`
`05:24.55`	`j0sh`	`and ask for a usb writer?`
`05:25.01`	`j0sh`	`what about a wal-mart?`
`05:25.11`	`JzR`	`more luck at staples..`
`05:25.19`	`j0sh`	`its called a usb writer?`
`05:25.21`	`j0sh`	`not a CF writer?`
`05:25.25`	`JzR`	`you should find one they have the store and find it online for cheaper.`
`05:25.27`	`j0sh`	`well`
`05:25.29`	`j0sh`	`should i let it sit`
`05:25.33`	`james_lan`	`jumpshot cable is lexar's brand`
`05:25.33`	`j0sh`	`after the lights go out?`
`05:25.35`	`j0sh`	`they JUST went out`
`05:25.38`	`j0sh`	`i retried`
`05:25.38`	`JzR`	`And staples will match the price`
`05:26.09`	`j0sh`	`how long do i let it sit`
`05:26.12`	`j0sh`	`once the lights go out?`
`05:26.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`a usb cf reader`
`05:26.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`is what its called`
`05:26.24`	`james_lan`	`now should be fine`
`05:26.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its called a reader, but it writes`
`05:26.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`walmart probably has em also`
`05:26.38`	`j0sh`	`okay`
`05:26.39`	`j0sh`	`so`
`05:26.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i know they have cf cards`
`05:26.42`	`j0sh`	`i turn it upside down`
`05:26.48`	`j0sh`	`hit the reset button again?`
`05:27.31`	`james_lan`	`yes. then turn it on.`
`05:27.42`	`james_lan`	`fingers crossed`
`05:28.03`	`j0sh`	`same shit :(`
`05:28.21`	`james_lan`	`drat!`
`05:28.32`	`j0sh`	`well theirs no way i can get a CF reader`
`05:28.37`	`j0sh`	`my mom just spent mad money on this`
`05:28.41`	`j0sh`	`she's quite pissed buying this`
`05:28.42`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`05:28.51`	`j0sh`	`i doubt sheill drive 2 hours to the closest PC store`
`05:28.54`	`j0sh`	`for a usb reader`
`05:28.55`	`j0sh`	`or whatever`
`05:28.56`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`05:29.12`	`james_lan`	`my guess is initrd.bin flashed but zimage didn't`
`05:29.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea`
`05:29.22`	`james_lan`	`ideas why?`
`05:29.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the zimage was either corrupt or named wrong`
`05:29.33`	`j0sh`	`could i try flashing without a SD card?`
`05:31.17`	`james_lan`	`yes, shouldn't matter though if there is or isn't an sd in it (hope it does)`
`05:31.42`	`james_lan`	`fraq`
`05:32.07`	`j0sh`	`lights wont come on at all`
`05:33.12`	`j0sh`	`damnit`
`05:33.16`	`j0sh`	`im jjust gona throw it away`
`05:33.21`	`j0sh`	`theirs nothing i can do with it now`
`05:33.21`	`j0sh`	`;/`
`05:33.59`	`james_lan`	`ok, the idiot checklist (aka powercord check) ... when flashing the switch was in replace, cover off, power in, hit c+d+full reset`
`05:34.57`	`james_lan`	`cf had zimage and initrd.bin in root, lights came on for a few minutes, then went off...`
`05:35.19`	`james_lan`	`unit boots to a red sharp logo and stops.`
`05:35.28`	`james_lan`	`missing anything`
`05:35.33`	`james_lan`	`?`
`05:35.35`	`j0sh`	`no`
`05:35.48`	`j0sh`	`:/`
`05:35.52`	`j0sh`	`im gona throw it away`
`05:36.27`	`james_lan`	`do you have a friend with a laptop?`
`05:36.30`	`j0sh`	`nope`
`05:36.49`	`*** join/#zaurus sheenmaster (sheenmaste@Morristown-68-118-103-87.chartertn.net)`
`05:37.04`	`sheenmaster`	`just switched my zaurus over to 802.11b`
`05:37.05`	`sheenmaster`	`had to tell someone`
`05:37.17`	`j0sh`	`there is no way at all to reset it ?`
`05:37.22`	`j0sh`	`how did it come with it installed?`
`05:37.25`	`sheenmaster`	`j0sh: reset what?`
`05:37.28`	`j0sh`	`with the batter out`
`05:37.32`	`j0sh`	`sheenmaster`
`05:37.38`	`j0sh`	`<james_lan> cf had zimage and initrd.bin in root, lights came on for a few minutes, then went off...`
`05:37.38`	`j0sh`	`<james_lan> unit boots to a red sharp logo and stops.`
`05:37.38`	`j0sh`	`<james_lan> missing anything`
`05:37.49`	`james_lan`	`need a cf card with the old rom.`
`05:38.06`	`j0sh`	`never had one`
`05:38.12`	`j0sh`	`it all came installed`
`05:38.19`	`sheenmaster`	`j0sh: sucks for you :(`
`05:38.32`	`j0sh`	`im just gona throw it out`
`05:38.35`	`james_lan`	`oz overwrote the flash rom then.`
`05:38.36`	`j0sh`	`theirs not shit i can do now`
`05:38.49`	`sheenmaster`	`j0sh: you didn't download the new image with MSIE did you?`
`05:38.50`	`JzR`	`yes`
`05:38.53`	`JzR`	`send it to me`
`05:38.54`	`sheenmaster`	`j0sh: yes there is`
`05:38.58`	`JzR`	`And I will cheerish it`
`05:39.00`	`j0sh`	`i did`
`05:39.02`	`sheenmaster`	`j0sh: just get a cf usb reader`
`05:39.12`	`j0sh`	`i dled it with msie`
`05:39.13`	`sheenmaster`	`j0sh: they are like $10 on ebay`
`05:39.13`	`j0sh`	`why?`
`05:39.19`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`05:39.20`	`james_lan`	`can't get a 10$-$20 chod`
`05:39.25`	`sheenmaster`	`j0sh: MSIE is known for fucking up downloads`
`05:39.35`	`j0sh`	`never has for me before..`
`05:39.45`	`sheenmaster`	`j0sh: probably has and you don't know it`
`05:39.52`	`sheenmaster`	`j0sh: most people don't realize it`
`05:39.55`	`JzR`	`you should compare md5 sums after download and after transfer to cf card`
`05:40.00`	`sheenmaster`	`j0sh: thank goodness those days are behind me`
`05:40.04`	`JzR`	`but thats what you should do`
`05:40.08`	`j0sh`	`lol`
`05:40.11`	`j0sh`	`nice to know now`
`05:40.13`	`j0sh`	`;/`
`05:40.18`	`j0sh`	`ill try to go to store tomorrow`
`05:40.21`	`enkrypted`	`sm: msie downloads fine`
`05:40.28`	`j0sh`	`and`
`05:40.31`	`j0sh`	`itll plug into usb`
`05:40.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`enkrypted no, it doesn't.`
`05:40.34`	`j0sh`	`and work fine?`
`05:40.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`msie is shit`
`05:40.36`	`j0sh`	`with winXP ?`
`05:40.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`j0sh yes`
`05:40.47`	`j0sh`	`k`
`05:40.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you will be able to access the files on your cf`
`05:40.51`	`james_lan`	`yep`
`05:40.55`	`j0sh`	`alright`
`05:40.57`	`j0sh`	`im going to bed`
`05:40.59`	`j0sh`	`peace`
`05:41.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`later`
`05:41.05`	`sheenmaster`	`j0sh: nothing "works fine" with winshit in my opinion; but it should fix your problem`
`05:41.08`	`james_lan`	`later`
`05:41.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`05:41.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so`
`05:41.31`	`james_lan`	`sm: agree`
`05:41.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i actually got internet via usb working on the zaurus!`
`05:41.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i feel smart`
`05:41.57`	`sheenmaster`	`TheMasterMind1: lol; my server is still on 2.2 kernel`
`05:42.20`	`james_lan`	`debian?`
`05:42.26`	`sheenmaster`	`TheMasterMind1: I just wrote a "pipe" program for my iBook (2.4 w/ usb) to let it use my server's proxy`
`05:42.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sheenmaster eh`
`05:42.36`	`sheenmaster`	`james_lan: yep; all the way!`
`05:42.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you should be able to use the zaurus with usbnet (no d) with any kernel with the new .19 kernel on the Zaurus`
`05:42.58`	`james_lan`	`apt-get is nice (use it on rh 8)`
`05:43.08`	`sheenmaster`	`james_lan: true that`
`05:43.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and i got internet working on the zaurus via usb connected to a windows xp machine!!`
`05:43.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`without ICS mind you`
`05:43.40`	`sheenmaster`	`TheMasterMind1: I don't have usb built into my server's kernel. Any attempts to build a new one are hopeless. It's so much easier on PPC. No size restrictions and all that bs.`
`05:43.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`05:44.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`05:44.22`	`james_lan`	`hehe good one`
`05:44.32`	`sheenmaster`	`ouch`
`05:44.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`05:44.39`	`sheenmaster`	`my site look like shit in konqueror on my zaurus`
`05:45.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it'll make the clueless windows users happy`
`05:45.05`	`sheenmaster`	`http://flame.dnsart.com/`
`05:45.08`	`james_lan`	`alphas, arm, sparc, m68k, x86, no ppc (yet)`
`05:45.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`click two buttons on the windows machine and you have internet on the zaurus`
`05:45.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`time to reboot back into debian`
`05:45.28`	`james_lan`	`wow, nice`
`05:45.33`	`sheenmaster`	`TheMasterMind1: Ctrl+alt+(imaginary delete)?`
`05:45.50`	`sheenmaster`	`TheMasterMind1: Reboot and enter(at lilo)`
`05:45.51`	`sheenmaster`	`?`
`05:45.54`	`sheenmaster`	`which is it!`
`05:45.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`05:46.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm, something's wrong`
`05:46.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`damn .19 kernel`
`05:47.19`	`sheenmaster`	`that's in window~1.bas`
`05:47.30`	`sheenmaster`	`why does every add that!?`
`05:47.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`?`
`05:47.56`	`sheenmaster`	`100% cpu usage`
`05:47.59`	`sheenmaster`	`100% of the time`
`05:48.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`05:48.24`	`sheenmaster`	`Java ran slower than in Mac OS (I'm a Java programmer. First job.)`
`05:48.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wtf`
`05:48.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`argh`
`05:48.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`this kernel is fucked up`
`05:48.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i want to test usbf!!`
`05:49.41`	`sheenmaster`	`I'm gonna go test the range on my 802.11b rig.`
`05:50.47`	`sheenmaster`	`TheMasterMind1: don't really make it fork forever. I had a user spawnn 100+ instances of ping on my server and have no wish to fight for my uptime once more. Even on a PDA.`
`05:51.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sheenmaster use /etc/security/limits.conf`
`05:52.27`	`sheenmaster`	`TheMasterMind1: thx; I just chmodded ping`
`05:52.39`	`sheenmaster`	`(and SMURFed my user :))`
`05:53.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`05:53.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`limits are a good thing to have setup also`
`05:54.39`	`sheenmaster`	`all my unix books are OLD`
`05:54.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm, bindnt on windows is a big cpuhog it seems`
`05:54.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oh well`
`05:54.56`	`sheenmaster`	`maybe I should stop trying to buy used ones in TN`
`06:04.07`	`james_lan`	`late here, sleep time`
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`06:08.07`	`sheen`	`weee`
`06:08.21`	`sheen`	`I'm on my zaurus.`
`06:08.28`	`sheen`	`downstairs`
`06:08.35`	`sheen`	`wlan rules`
`06:09.24`	`oGMo`	`nope`
`06:09.42`	`oGMo`	`it's christmas eve and you're playing around with wireless on your Z`
`06:09.45`	`oGMo`	`now that's geek ;)`
`06:09.50`	`sheen`	`lol`
`06:10.06`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`still, yes`
`06:10.40`	`sheen`	`does qtopia have any remote-display capability?`
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`06:11.02`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`vnc`
`06:11.07`	`gideon`	`oi`
`06:11.14`	`gideon`	`gotta zaurus.`
`06:11.16`	`gideon`	`yay!`
`06:11.17`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`fbvncserver`
`06:11.28`	`sheen`	`arg`
`06:11.34`	`gideon`	`But... I'm having trouble with my wcf12 wifi card.`
`06:11.42`	`sheen`	`my kb is messed up`
`06:11.55`	`gideon`	`the link light goes on, but zaurus doesn't seem to recognize it`
`06:12.04`	`sheen`	`gideon no trouble with that`
`06:12.05`	`gideon`	`no cf card comes on in the taskbar.`
`06:12.21`	`gideon`	`no net connection.`
`06:12.25`	`gideon`	`anyone got a clue?`
`06:12.26`	`sheen`	`gideon get oz`
`06:12.50`	`gideon`	`i wanna, but I can't find my CF to PCMCIA flash adapter.`
`06:12.55`	`gideon`	`I can't flash it.`
`06:13.15`	`gideon`	`i wanna get this working in the sharp rom though.`
`06:14.05`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`type cardmgr in a terminal`
`06:14.15`	`gideon`	`i don't have terminl`
`06:14.34`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`wcf11 or 12`
`06:14.40`	`gideon`	`wcf12`
`06:15.15`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`cant remember the page, but there is a howto for it on the net`
`06:15.22`	`gideon`	`hmm`
`06:15.27`	`gideon`	`without a terminal though?`
`06:15.42`	`gideon`	`I do have a normal cat5 cf card though`
`06:15.49`	`gideon`	`so I can dl the terminal.`
`06:16.08`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`have to term qtopia (console) if you don't have terminal`
`06:16.08`	`gideon`	`how do I do that though, where is a feed for the sharp rom and not OZ?`
`06:16.18`	`gideon`	`huh`
`06:16.24`	`gideon`	`how do I term qtopia?`
`06:16.26`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`I recommend embeddedkonsole.`
`06:16.40`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`settings->shutdown ...`
`06:16.59`	`gideon`	`wow`
`06:17.00`	`gideon`	`thnks`
`06:17.02`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`then hit /? before it comes back up then a`
`06:17.13`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`to get to the console`
`06:17.30`	`gideon`	`so /? and then A?`
`06:17.53`	`oGMo`	`ok anyone have docs for the markup codes for opie reader?`
`06:17.57`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`yes, when it says 'waiting ...'`
`06:18.01`	`gideon`	`hmm`
`06:18.09`	`gideon`	`whats localhost login/pass?`
`06:18.22`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`root/`
`06:18.30`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`no pw by default`
`06:18.40`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`(annoyingly)`
`06:18.44`	`gideon`	`cool`
`06:18.52`	`gideon`	`so, I should use cardmgr now?`
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`06:19.05`	`sheen`	`back`
`06:19.08`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`if it just wont see your cf`
`06:19.19`	`sheen`	`my kb fucked up`
`06:19.29`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`yes, then type qt to get back to qtopia.`
`06:19.31`	`sheen`	`like fn was stuck`
`06:19.44`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`s: not good`
`06:19.48`	`gideon`	`how can I tell if it was detected?`
`06:20.07`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`"cardctl status"`
`06:20.40`	`sheen`	`can qt remote-display?`
`06:20.53`	`sheen`	`I want to write a remote.`
`06:20.57`	`gideon`	`I get:`
`06:20.58`	`sheen`	`for xmms`
`06:20.59`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`using fbvncserver, yes.`
`06:21.06`	`tag`	`ok`
`06:21.27`	`gideon`	`Socket 0: 3.3V 16-bit PC Card Function 0; Ready`
`06:21.31`	`gideon`	`is that good?`
`06:21.35`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`it saw it.`
`06:21.39`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`yes`
`06:21.41`	`gideon`	`socet 1: no card`
`06:21.43`	`gideon`	`hmm`
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`06:21.58`	`gideon`	`i have an sd and a cf, is socket 0 the sd?`
`06:21.59`	`sheen`	`james_lan_sleepi:I mean a single app like X11 does.`
`06:22.09`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`no, the cf`
`06:22.19`	`gideon`	`then whats socket 1?`
`06:22.26`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`card(mgr/ctl) doesn't handle sd`
`06:22.31`	`gideon`	`hmm`
`06:22.37`	`gideon`	`why 2 sockets?`
`06:22.45`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`I think the controller supports 2.`
`06:22.49`	`gideon`	`strange`
`06:22.54`	`datapurge`	`anyone have pics of a dissassembled zaurus?`
`06:22.58`	`gideon`	`qt now?`
`06:23.00`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`just the z only uses one`
`06:23.03`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`yes`
`06:23.24`	`sheen`	`datapurge http://www.google.com/`
`06:23.42`	`gideon`	`still no CF card in task, I have the SD though`
`06:23.47`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`zauruszone does somewhwere`
`06:24.46`	`gideon`	`hmm`
`06:25.20`	`oGMo`	`hrm`
`06:25.30`	`oGMo`	`anyopne have issues with the Z and USB hubs?`
`06:25.47`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`try www.kismetwireless.net/Forum/General/Messages/1035609684.4168971`
`06:25.53`	`oGMo`	`whenever mine is on it like continually resets`
`06:25.57`	`oGMo`	`the hub`
`06:26.23`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`for the wcf12`
`06:26.28`	`gideon`	`ok`
`06:26.30`	`gideon`	`thx`
`06:26.52`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`np`
`06:29.34`	`sheen`	`i am considering a 256mb SD card`
`06:30.07`	`sheen`	`does OZ support SD mode or just MMC mode (of anSD card)`
`06:30.40`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`not sure`
`06:31.09`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`no copy protection, but not sure what you mean.`
`06:31.40`	`sheen`	`i heard MMC mode was slower`
`06:32.35`	`gideon`	`where is wlan-ng.conf?`
`06:33.30`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`I heard rumors that the Z does both ways, but not sure which is right.`
`06:34.20`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`testing`
`06:34.39`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`h /etc ?`
`06:34.46`	`gideon`	`i tried there.`
`06:35.01`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`wouldn't let just /etc ? on the line`
`06:35.14`	`gideon`	`also, heh, I uh... got stuck in vi. how do I quit / save?`
`06:35.25`	`gideon`	`huh?`
`06:35.33`	`sheen`	`gideon esc : q return`
`06:35.50`	`gideon`	`there is no escape button`
`06:35.54`	`sheen`	`gideon cancel sends esc`
`06:35.57`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`cancel`
`06:36.01`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`=esc`
`06:36.38`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`can't find the file, but not on sharp rom`
`06:37.34`	`gideon`	`hmm`
`06:37.37`	`gideon`	`dam`
`06:37.44`	`gideon`	`thanks anyways`
`06:38.08`	`gideon`	`guess i'll just have to wait until tomorrow to flash it and get OZ to work.`
`06:38.20`	`gideon`	`will the WCF12 work out of the box with OZ?`
`06:38.49`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`don't know`
`06:39.32`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`family members have 11s, which required no config, so not sure.`
`06:40.40`	`james_lan_sleepi`	`ok', finally tired. morning all sleep time now`
`06:43.01`	`gideon`	`word`
`06:43.06`	`gideon`	`nite, thanks a lot!`
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`07:04.19`	`LordDavon`	`back`
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`07:08.01`	`datapurge`	`anyone know much about wearables and such?`
`07:09.08`	`sheen`	`datapurge they are a lot less fun than they sound`
`07:09.23`	`sheen`	`and people think you are nuts (kinda fun)`
`07:10.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`night all`
`07:11.26`	`sheen`	`TheMasterMind1 night`
`07:12.05`	`datapurge`	`im just curious about head mount displays`
`07:13.38`	`sheenmaster`	`datapurge: it's me`
`07:13.49`	`sheenmaster`	`my batteries died; shouldn't have left light on full`
`07:14.11`	`sheenmaster`	`there are some really good ones out there (1024x768+), but they'll cost your`
`07:14.50`	`sheenmaster`	`datapurge: what do you want one for?`
`07:16.01`	`sheenmaster`	`the world would be a better place if everyone was on a caffeine high all the time`
`07:16.38`	`datapurge`	`nothing in particuler`
`07:16.41`	`datapurge`	`just interested`
`07:16.58`	`sheenmaster`	`datapurge: I have some great sites bookmarked, but they are on my server.`
`07:17.03`	`datapurge`	`particular sorry its dark`
`07:17.36`	`sheenmaster`	`huh?`
`07:17.58`	`datapurge`	`blah im tired im going to bed`
`07:18.06`	`sheenmaster`	`k`
`07:18.07`	`sheenmaster`	`ttyl`
`07:18.16`	`sheenmaster`	`(shoulda got a coke)`
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`11:11.14`	`SuKoShi`	`Zaurus SL-B500 can be updated from CF / SD or USB (from the maintenance mode); is it the same with 5500?`
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`11:58.38`	`fred`	`hi all///`
`11:58.56`	`fred`	`how can i get my zaurus 5500 to synch with my linux desktop?`
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`12:04.50`	`NoMercy`	`Anyone got any ideas as to what would cause the package manager (set with zauruszone's feed) not to do sod all?`
`12:05.19`	`NoMercy`	`it gets the package list, but when I select to download, and then click upgrade, the bar goes across and nothing happens`
`12:06.24`	`NoMercy`	`Zaurus--USB-->win2k--Ethernet-->linuxFirewall--Ethernet-->ADSLRouter--POTS-->ISP-->Internet`
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`12:21.11`	`fred`	`How can I get my Zaurus to talk to my Linux Desktop? I just recompiled my kernel to include USB support`
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`12:25.10`	`wazlaf_`	`hi`
`12:25.16`	`NoMercy`	`lo`
`12:25.23`	`NoMercy`	`ane merry chrimbo`
`12:26.03`	`wazlaf_`	`yes, merry chrismas`
`12:26.25`	`wazlaf_`	`my Z is broken :(`
`12:26.31`	`NoMercy`	`erk`
`12:26.41`	`wazlaf_`	`it won't turn on`
`12:26.58`	`wazlaf_`	`i reflashed it and the battery is fully charged`
`12:27.09`	`wazlaf_`	`but nothing happens when I try to turn it on`
`12:27.09`	`NoMercy`	`checked the battery's contacts are making good contact?`
`12:27.18`	`NoMercy`	`still within waranty?`
`12:27.27`	`wazlaf_`	`no warranty, it's a SL5000D`
`12:27.52`	`wazlaf_`	`do the battery contacts even matter? The device is on AC power`
`12:28.13`	`NoMercy`	`mine didn't like turning on without a battery in it, not sure`
`12:28.18`	`fred`	`When I go into "New Connection" > LAN..I dont get the option of specifying whether to use a Card or USB....how can I fix that?`
`12:28.40`	`wazlaf_`	`ok thanks, i'll check that`
`12:28.52`	`NoMercy`	`new connection?`
`12:29.09`	`NoMercy`	`in the wizard?`
`12:29.13`	`fred`	`Settings>Internet Wizard`
`12:29.35`	`NoMercy`	`I point you to the SL-5500 Errata for the Internet Wizard application in the Operation Manual`
`12:30.11`	`fred`	`oh, right`
`12:30.16`	`NoMercy`	`so I did it the hard way`
`12:30.40`	`fred`	`Are there linux drivers for the Zaurus to be found anywhere?`
`12:31.04`	`NoMercy`	`the ethernet over usb thingy, yup`
`12:31.20`	`fred`	`where?`
`12:31.21`	`wazlaf_`	`oh my god, that fixed it`
`12:31.24`	`wazlaf_`	`thanks so much NoMercy`
`12:31.36`	`NoMercy`	`no prob, very glad to have helped :)`
`12:32.17`	`wazlaf_`	`aah. time to resume work on OpieIRC :)`
`12:32.47`	`NoMercy`	`the patch for the linux kernel required is usbdnet`
`12:32.58`	`SuKoShi`	`anyone knows how to enable internet through usb between xp and Zaurus?`
`12:33.10`	`NoMercy`	`three's info on it at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/`
`12:33.22`	`NoMercy`	`I got it working via Win2k`
`12:33.31`	`SuKoShi`	`i tried yesterday`
`12:33.45`	`SuKoShi`	`but on my B500 i can't change routing info`
`12:33.53`	`fred`	`NoMercy: will using Qtopia Desktop for Linux still require me to patch my kernel?`
`12:34.27`	`NoMercy`	`unless you have an ethernet/wireless connection as well, yes`
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`12:34.39`	`NoMercy`	`at least I think so :)`
`12:34.59`	`fred`	`damn company only has RPMs on its page`
`12:35.33`	`NoMercy`	`I enabled internet connection shareing on my internet connection, then gave the zaurus the IP 192.168.0.2 (since windows ICS won't share to the default one)`
`12:35.41`	`NoMercy`	`fred: rpm2tgz`
`12:36.27`	`NoMercy`	`then I fired up a terminal on the zaurus and typed 'route add default gateway 192.168.0.1'`
`12:36.47`	`NoMercy`	`then modified /etc/resolv.conf to point to my nameserver`
`12:36.49`	`NoMercy`	`I hate vi`
`12:37.29`	`NoMercy`	`then I found opera was working`
`12:38.04`	`NoMercy`	`now all I wish is that I didn't have to have it in the cradle to use the internet`
`12:39.28`	`mark`	`NoMercy: wifi :)`
`12:39.59`	`NoMercy`	`it's on my todo list for sure`
`12:40.33`	`NoMercy`	`802.11b + nmap + walk around town`
`12:42.11`	`SuKoShi`	`opera is the web rbowser on zaurus 5500 ?`
`12:42.19`	`NoMercy`	`the default one`
`12:42.19`	`lsmith`	`on the shrap rom yes`
`12:42.20`	`SuKoShi`	`my B500 has got another one`
`12:42.31`	`SuKoShi`	`netfront v3.0`
`12:43.32`	`SuKoShi`	`maybe the us rom will have Opera`
`12:43.43`	`NoMercy`	`it's sooo damn hard to find a mpeg sample which isn't porn`
`12:43.51`	`SuKoShi`	`lol`
`12:43.56`	`mark`	`anyone here got an AL-300?`
`12:45.29`	`SuKoShi`	`B500 here`
`12:45.39`	`SuKoShi`	`what is the AL-300?`
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`12:51.43`	`Twiun`	`hey mark`
`13:12.05`	`mark`	`sup Twiun. merry xmas :)`
`13:12.43`	`Twiun`	`and to you too ;-)`
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`13:12.51`	`George-`	`Hey!`
`13:12.56`	`mark`	`merry xmas George-`
`13:13.00`	`George-`	`thx :)`
`13:13.04`	`George-`	`You too mark`
`13:13.13`	`mark`	`right, off to talk to relatives :/`
`13:13.21`	`George-`	`haha`
`13:13.23`	`George-`	`=P`
`13:13.25`	`George-`	`see ya :)`
`13:15.57`	`George-`	`hrmm`
`13:15.59`	`George-`	`no one alive?`
`13:15.59`	`George-`	`=P`
`13:16.34`	`ljp`	`no, we's all dead`
`13:16.47`	`George-`	`~lart ljp`
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`13:18.05`	`George-`	`I got the Back to the Future DVD set :)`
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`13:22.45`	`Dilb`	`hi`
`13:38.30`	`Twiun`	`ljp: ping`
`13:38.55`	`ljp`	`hi`
`13:39.09`	`Twiun`	`how are you on this fine christmas morning?`
`13:39.39`	`ljp`	`ok`
`13:40.01`	`ljp`	`waiting to go to the famDamnly thing`
`13:40.05`	George`BttF	`hey ljp ;)`
`13:40.10`	George`BttF	`ok, I'm off`
`13:40.26`	George`BttF	`cya all`
`13:40.34`	`Twiun`	`you remember the segfault problem I was having?`
`13:42.46`	`Twiun`	`well, using printf's, I've traced it to the exit() call...`
`13:43.33`	`ljp`	`ahh`
`13:46.08`	`Twiun`	`any thoughts?`
`13:47.13`	`ljp`	`hoo hoo hoo!`
`13:47.30`	`ljp`	`try ::exit(0)`
`13:50.11`	`Twiun`	`errr... no, it's not the QApplication::exit() call, it's the C exit(0) method`
`13:50.28`	`Twiun`	`like I said, no qt stuff at all`
`13:50.49`	`Twiun`	`does qt overload the exit() function (and then not check for nulls)?`
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`15:58.23`	`james_lan`	`mornig`
`15:59.30`	`bipolar`	`hiya`
`15:59.50`	`bipolar`	`so I'm not the only one on IRC on the holiday :)`
`16:00.44`	`victorvdl`	`bipolar: You mean there's something else to do with your holiday?`
`16:00.54`	`bipolar`	`victorvdl: I'm working :p`
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`16:05.47`	`SuKoShi`	`i will upload some pics of my Zaurus SL-B500 here : http://sukoshi.free.fr/zaurus/`
`16:06.00`	`George-`	`SuKoShi: where did you get it?`
`16:07.31`	`SuKoShi`	`Japan`
`16:07.40`	`George-`	`Was it cheap? =P`
`16:08.04`	`SuKoShi`	`i am a french guy; married with a japanese woman`
`16:08.24`	`SuKoShi`	`so i know many people that travel between japan and france :)`
`16:08.24`	`George-`	`oic`
`16:08.31`	`George-`	`lol`
`16:08.39`	`SuKoShi`	`price was about 60000yens`
`16:08.48`	`SuKoShi`	`www.xe.net for the conversion`
`16:09.41`	`SuKoShi`	`for your information, you'll see an accessory for mediaplayer, it unluckily doesn't work, because it is designed for other japan only zaurus`
`16:10.01`	`SuKoShi`	`remote controler product code CE-RH1`
`16:10.12`	`SuKoShi`	`5000yens lost :p`
`16:11.04`	`james_lan`	`ow`
`16:11.27`	`james_lan`	`lirc won't work?`
`16:11.38`	`SuKoShi`	`FYI upload is in progress, and will finish in two minutes`
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`16:15.02`	`james_lan`	`dumb question, now that I look at it :)`
`16:16.39`	`George-`	`Maybe I'm just an old stick-in-the-mud, but I still like Win95 best of those I've used (Win3.1, Win95/98/ME/2K/XP, OS/2 Warp3, KDE, Gnome, DOS :) both as a desktop and as an OS. Cleanest, slickest, fastest, most cooperative, most consistent behaviour, easiest to beat into submission. (NO Windows version crashes when I'm done training it, so that's not an issue.)`
`16:16.41`	`George-`	`ack`
`16:16.45`	`George-`	`A comment off xpde.com`
`16:16.51`	`George-`	`How can anyone LIKE win95?!?!?`
`16:17.19`	`victorvdl`	`George-: :-D`
`16:17.19`	`james_lan`	`insane?`
`16:17.35`	`George-`	`I can't get Win95 to NOT crash`
`16:17.41`	`George-`	`Plus it keeps having this desire to reboot`
`16:17.53`	`George-`	`You have changed the system resolution, you must reboot`
`16:17.57`	`james_lan`	`obviously he doesn't keep it on long`
`16:18.20`	`james_lan`	`10 days and it will crash no matter what.`
`16:19.12`	`George-`	`10 minutes and it'll crash no matter what`
`16:19.23`	`George-`	`I've seriously never had a Win95 system running for more than approx 2 hours`
`16:19.25`	`George-`	`lol`
`16:19.34`	`james_lan`	`ow`
`16:19.43`	`james_lan`	`usually not that bad`
`16:19.50`	`victorvdl`	`George-: I managed to get one to stay up all night...`
`16:20.04`	`George-`	`One of the reasons why I switched to Linux really early on :)`
`16:20.11`	`George-`	`victorvdl: haha`
`16:20.23`	`George-`	`it was a pain in the ass to get Win95 to work with the internet and not crash`
`16:20.24`	`George-`	`lol`
`16:20.33`	`james_lan`	`yeah, there was a stable version of windows though`
`16:20.53`	`George-`	`Win2k was pretty good`
`16:20.59`	`George-`	`but not brilliant`
`16:21.09`	`james_lan`	`(primarily because DEC recoded a bunch of it) NT 4 on alpha`
`16:21.22`	`George-`	`lol`
`16:22.31`	`mark`	`grrr, i've eaten too much and drunken too much`
`16:22.39`	`james_lan`	`It really wasn't that bad. I personally thought NT was wonderful, til I encountered linux and saw NT 4 on x86.`
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`16:23.40`	`mark`	`hi don`
`16:23.47`	`victorvdl`	`james_lan: :-D`
`16:23.55`	`sanders`	`mark: hi`
`16:24.02`	`james_lan`	`I am temped to put ldap+samba on here just to show how a Z can (aside from large files) replace a windows PDC.`
`16:24.07`	`George-`	`NT4 on x86 is hell to setup`
`16:24.11`	`George-`	`lol`
`16:24.15`	`George-`	`But when it's working, it's not too bad`
`16:24.29`	`George-`	`mark: haha`
`16:24.44`	`victorvdl`	`james_lan: Sure, why not...`
`16:24.53`	`mark`	`George-: ow`
`16:25.02`	`George-`	`mark: haha`
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`16:25.10`	`lsmith`	`which reminds me: anyone got mysql working on their zaurus?`
`16:25.11`	`George-`	`mark: The BttF dvd set is really cool :)`
`16:25.22`	`mark`	`George-: bTTf?`
`16:25.37`	`james_lan`	`zz's feed has it`
`16:25.48`	`George-`	`mark: Back to the Future`
`16:25.57`	`mark`	`right, i'm off to drink some more`
`16:26.05`	`George-`	`rofl`
`16:26.10`	`George-`	`put that in the topic ;)`
`16:26.26`	`james_lan`	`mysql and I are not on the best terms`
`16:26.37`	`mark`	`George-: u do it`
`16:26.49`	`George-`	`mark: chan mode +t`
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`16:27.16`	`George-`	`#PsiLinux topic changed ;)`
`16:32.20`	`George-`	`afk`
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`17:05.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yo`
`17:05.58`	`james_lan`	`hi`
`17:06.21`	`treke\|wherever`	`yo`
`17:06.21`	`james_lan`	`what does /dev/lirc need to be?`
`17:09.34`	`angry`	`is it possible to communicate 802.11b < -- > 802.11b without an AP?`
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`17:10.08`	`james_lan`	`yes`
`17:10.21`	`james_lan`	`called ad-hoc`
`17:10.35`	`james_lan`	`you need to be on the same channel`
`17:11.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`james_lan eh? what about /dev/lirc ?`
`17:11.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`james_lan vi /usr/bin/zremote`
`17:11.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its a shell script i wrote`
`17:12.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it sets up /dev/lirc and the module`
`17:12.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`mknod /dev/lirc c 61 0 iirc`
`17:13.55`	`angry`	`james_lan: how about with an AP? any Z apps that support this?`
`17:15.35`	`james_lan`	`yes`
`17:15.50`	`james_lan`	`just set it to infrastructure`
`17:23.42`	`james_lan`	`works, thanks a bunch!`
`17:23.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`np`
`17:24.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what're you doing? controlling a tv or doing some ir keyboard stuff?`
`17:24.32`	`SuKoShi`	`TheMasterMind1: was the stuff i send useful ?`
`17:24.48`	`SuKoShi`	`http://sukoshi.free.fr/zaurus/ <-pics of my B500`
`17:24.54`	`james_lan`	`any idea when you will have an updated package?`
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`17:27.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`SuKoShi just looked at it, its the desktop side driver to communicate with the 5500/5000d`
`17:27.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`unfortunately :\`
`17:27.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the name looked promising though`
`17:27.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`james_lan real soon now :)`
`17:27.29`	`SuKoShi`	`yup :(`
`17:30.16`	`kolla`	`SuKoShi: hsow is it different from 5500/5600?`
`17:30.37`	`SuKoShi`	`speaker and microphone included`
`17:30.42`	`SuKoShi`	`64MB flash`
`17:30.45`	`SuKoShi`	`32MB sdram`
`17:30.48`	`kolla`	`ok, like 5600 then`
`17:30.55`	`SuKoShi`	`it is the 5600`
`17:30.58`	`SuKoShi`	`but japanese one`
`17:31.03`	`kolla`	`aha :)`
`17:31.08`	`Bovine`	`Anyone seen a Yopy 3700?`
`17:31.35`	`SuKoShi`	`mmmh`
`17:31.41`	`SuKoShi`	`i've seen 3500`
`17:31.50`	`SuKoShi`	`too heavy too expensive, bad design`
`17:31.55`	`Bovine`	`:/`
`17:32.00`	`Bovine`	`specs look nice though`
`17:32.11`	`SuKoShi`	`where can i see the specs?`
`17:32.20`	`Bovine`	`www.yopy.at`
`17:33.09`	`SuKoShi`	`unluckily it is the same form factor`
`17:33.15`	`Bovine`	`http://www.yourshopping.at/yopy/ < select 3700 from menu`
`17:34.01`	`SuKoShi`	`it is just the same`
`17:34.02`	`Bovine`	`128MB Ram/32MB Flash/CFII/MMC/2300mAh Battery`
`17:34.05`	`SuKoShi`	`as the 3500`
`17:34.10`	`Bovine`	`has CFII though`
`17:34.21`	`SuKoShi`	`you're right.`
`17:34.33`	`Bovine`	`hence, very attractive :)`
`17:34.34`	`SuKoShi`	`but still old Arm @206Mhz`
`17:34.41`	`Bovine`	`fast enough`
`17:34.47`	`SuKoShi`	`but too expensive`
`17:34.52`	`SuKoShi`	`759euros`
`17:34.56`	`Bovine`	`yeah`
`17:35.02`	`Bovine`	`not released either yet`
`17:35.12`	`SuKoShi`	`i had mine for 65000yen about 520euros`
`17:35.12`	`Bovine`	`so price will no doubt change when it is`
`17:36.04`	`SuKoShi`	`moreover, i like not to forget that Sharp is the best LCD screen company`
`17:36.08`	`SuKoShi`	`;)`
`17:36.37`	`angry`	`1 euro is about 1 american dollar right?`
`17:36.41`	`kolla`	`yes`
`17:36.43`	`SuKoShi`	`yes`
`17:36.45`	`james_lan`	`yep`
`17:36.48`	`angry`	`k`
`17:37.07`	`Bovine`	`heh, I'm from the UK`
`17:37.11`	`Bovine`	`we hate europe D:`
`17:37.11`	`james_lan`	`us`
`17:37.16`	`SuKoShi`	`lol`
`17:37.30`	`SuKoShi`	`we french hate british LOL`
`17:37.41`	`Bovine`	`oh fuck, you're french!`
`17:37.42`	`Bovine`	`:D`
`17:37.44`	`SuKoShi`	`lol`
`17:37.58`	`SuKoShi`	`a fucking froggie speaking to a crappy rosbeef`
`17:38.04`	`Bovine`	`:D`
`17:38.07`	`james_lan`	`I really dislike this country at times (war-happy administration)`
`17:38.15`	`SuKoShi`	`which one?`
`17:38.18`	`angry`	`if anyone wants a wireless card anytime soon, might as well get it now from buy.com ($40 for a few days)`
`17:38.20`	`james_lan`	`us yanks over here`
`17:38.25`	`Bovine`	`SuKoShi: War = US`
`17:38.26`	`Bovine`	`:D`
`17:38.38`	`SuKoShi`	`yes.`
`17:38.39`	`Bovine`	`US = War`
`17:38.41`	`angry`	`yeah bush thinks its our job to police the globe`
`17:38.43`	`Bovine`	`Bush = Moron`
`17:38.46`	`james_lan`	`us and uk`
`17:38.55`	`Bovine`	`Blair = Bush's Poodle`
`17:38.59`	`kolla`	`:)`
`17:39.03`	`Bovine`	`woof`
`17:39.19`	`SuKoShi`	`angry: where on buy.com ?`
`17:39.23`	`Bovine`	`mmm, pizza for chistmas dinner`
`17:39.25`	`angry`	`http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11177336&m=488&cat=564&scat=566`
`17:39.27`	`angry`	`after $40 rebate`
`17:39.30`	`angry`	`its $40`
`17:39.32`	`SuKoShi`	`thanks`
`17:39.41`	`angry`	`already ordered yesterday :)`
`17:39.45`	`angry`	`hope they havent sold out though`
`17:39.47`	`james_lan`	`nice`
`17:39.51`	`SuKoShi`	`how the mail in rebate works?`
`17:40.26`	`angry`	`click on the link for "before $40 mail-in rebates"`
`17:40.31`	`angry`	`and the rebate center thing will pop up`
`17:40.35`	`angry`	`and choose the $40 rebate`
`17:40.41`	`james_lan`	`have had a dcf650 for a while.`
`17:40.45`	`angry`	`there's also a $5 rebate but they both require original UPC code`
`17:40.52`	`angry`	`so better to go for $40`
`17:42.13`	`SuKoShi`	`do they ship to europe?`
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`17:45.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`angry what model card is it`
`17:46.42`	`lilboyblue`	`Hello, I am having difficulty using the CE-AG06 camera module with my Z (running opie 0.9.1). ipkg says that the qpe packages that the camera package depends on conflict with the opie packages of the same type. The camera software force-installed but requests that the camera be inserted and then quits (whether the camera is actually there or not). Any help?`
`17:48.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`install the sharp-camera ipk from the oz feed`
`17:48.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lilboyblue what version of oz are you running`
`17:48.53`	`lilboyblue`	`3.0?`
`17:49.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`17:49.20`	`lilboyblue`	`sysinfo gives the opie version... where is the OZ version?`
`17:49.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it should be in sysinfo also`
`17:50.03`	`lilboyblue`	`here's to working on christmas!`
`17:50.20`	`nadav`	`:-/`
`17:51.23`	`lilboyblue`	`since Dec 7 1942 the navy has been kinda touchy about leaving their ships without crews..`
`17:53.24`	`lilboyblue`	`sysinfo sez opie ver:0.9.1-snapshot was built on Oct 29 2002 and nothing about which oz version is installed.`
`17:53.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`then its probably oz2.9 or something`
`17:53.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i know 3.0 had the version`
`17:53.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`try cat /etc/oz_version`
`17:54.14`	`SillyZ`	`hows 3.1rc1 ?`
`17:54.22`	`lilboyblue`	`TheMasterMind1: 3.0!`
`17:55.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`17:55.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`maybe i'm confused then`
`17:55.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`shrug`
`17:55.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`either way, you just need to install the sharp-camera ipk from the testing/unstable feed`
`17:55.48`	`lilboyblue`	`so is the qpe-camera package not the right one? is my camera borken?`
`17:55.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`no, you need qpe-camera`
`17:56.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`force install that`
`17:56.06`	`lilboyblue`	`sharp-camera != qpe-camera ?`
`17:56.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`but the sharp-camera ipk is needed in oz`
`17:56.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its the drivers`
`17:56.21`	`lilboyblue`	`ah, bimbo!`
`17:56.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sharp-camera-compabilitiy.ipk or something its called`
`17:56.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i don't remember`
`17:57.40`	`lilboyblue`	`I thought that OPIE was supposed to be binary compatible with the official SHARP ROM. Is that merely a goal, or is it not even that, now?`
`17:58.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`??`
`17:58.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what does that to do with anything`
`17:58.33`	`lilboyblue`	`The qpe-camera ipk dosen't work.`
`17:58.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what does that have to do with BC?`
`17:59.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the qpe-camera app is just failing because it cannot find the camera drivers`
`17:59.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`which you need ot install using the other ipk`
`17:59.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`there's an faq about this on oz.org`
`17:59.41`	`lilboyblue`	`drivers in the sharp-camera-compatibility.ipk (or whatever) ?`
`17:59.53`	`lilboyblue`	`URL for FAQ?`
`18:00.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the sharp-camera-support ipk has the drviers`
`18:00.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you need to install that ipk before you can use the camera`
`18:00.47`	`lilboyblue`	`Okay, it's sinking in.. thank you for your patient help TMM1.`
`18:01.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`np`
`18:01.11`	`lilboyblue`	`Cameras are neat. Especially shiny ones.`
`18:07.53`	`mark`	`how do i use a DVD drive in linux? :)`
`18:08.12`	`twiun`	`using xine?`
`18:08.16`	`twiun`	`or mplayer?`
`18:08.35`	`mark`	`using whatever, I've just got one for xmas and dont have a clue what to do :)`
`18:09.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`18:10.01`	`mark`	`do they appear as cd rom devices?`
`18:11.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yes`
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`18:11.42`	`SuKoShi`	`#zaurus`
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`18:13.43`	`mark`	`TheMasterMind1: okay. does xine include the decss code then?`
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`18:15.22`	`mark`	`lets go shut down and put this in`
`18:16.10`	`james_lan`	`lirc work as a reciever?`
`18:16.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'm not sure`
`18:16.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it should`
`18:16.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`if you use the ircat / irw utils`
`18:16.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i think you can use it like that`
`18:16.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i was going to try when i got my ir keyboard`
`18:18.02`	`james_lan`	`what ir kb?`
`18:18.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the one that comes with the webpal`
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`18:19.01`	`james_lan`	`webpal? (webtv derivative)?`
`18:20.57`	`james_lan`	`hmm... where are the sources for the kernel?`
`18:21.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`which one`
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`18:21.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you should grab a copy of the oz buildroot`
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`18:21.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it compiles the kernel, lirc and many other things for you`
`18:21.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot oz bk`
`18:21.58`		`it has been said that oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk`
`18:21.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot oz toolchain`
`18:22.00`		`methinks oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there.`
`18:22.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot bitkeepr`
`18:22.01`		`TheMasterMind1: I give up, what is it?`
`18:22.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot bitkeeper`
`18:22.03`		`rumour has it, bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel!`
`18:24.47`	`james_lan`	`will it fit on zaurus though?`
`18:26.02`	`james_lan`	`I try to do zaurus development on Z`
`18:27.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`no, it won't`
`18:27.46`	`james_lan`	`ok, may try some time in the future then.`
`18:28.24`	`james_lan`	`cross-compilers seem to screw up if I am in the area.`
`18:30.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
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`18:38.41`	`mark_`	`right, how do I play DVDs with xine? :)`
`18:38.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`google for it`
`18:39.04`	`angry`	`i'm hoping you don't mean on the zaurus ;)`
`18:39.25`	`nadav`	`lol`
`18:41.15`	`james_lan`	`might be possible (with massive framedrop)`
`18:41.30`	`james_lan`	`cf>pcmcia>scsi>dvd`
`18:42.01`	`james_lan`	`though mplayer is imo better`
`18:42.20`	`mark_`	`james_lan: hehe`
`18:42.28`	`mark_`	`grr, 'no medium found'`
`18:42.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`mplayer is great`
`18:42.45`	`james_lan`	`try using mplayer`
`18:44.00`	`mark_`	`alright, downloading`
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`18:45.05`	`james_lan`	`It is much faster than xine (no dvdnav support as of now)`
`18:45.30`	`mark_`	`hmm, its odd i get no medium errors though`
`18:45.33`	`james_lan`	`opieplayer2 is based off xine, anyone know`
`18:45.43`	`james_lan`	`is it mounted?`
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`18:46.11`	`mark_`	`james_lan: ah, supermount may have done something with it actually`
`18:46.42`	`james_lan`	`unmount it (xine and mplayer both need it unmounted)`
`18:47.36`	`mark_`	`james_lan: that was it. now its complaining that its encrypted`
`18:48.00`	`james_lan`	`lirc is only working for zremote any ideas why?`
`18:48.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`18:48.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what else do you want to use it with?`
`18:48.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`opie-remote ?`
`18:48.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i despise opie-remote`
`18:48.25`	`james_lan`	`mplayer should deal with that`
`18:48.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`james_lan edit /usr/bin/zremote and change zremote_gui to opie-remote`
`18:48.55`	`james_lan`	`opie-remote, irw, or anything (testing mostly)`
`18:49.03`	`james_lan`	`tried that`
`18:49.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and whathappen?`
`18:49.44`	`james_lan`	`lircd crashes`
`18:50.01`	`james_lan`	`lircd 0.6.6: lircd(sa1100) ready lircd 0.6.6: accepted new client on /dev/lircd lircd 0.6.6: could not open /dev/lirc lircd 0.6.6: default_init(): No such device lircd 0.6.6: caught signal Terminated`
`18:50.15`	`james_lan`	`when trying to run irw`
`18:50.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`18:50.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that means either the module isn't loaded or it didn't run mknod`
`18:50.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`do it manually`
`18:50.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`load the module`
`18:50.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`then do the mknod`
`18:50.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`like the shell script does`
`18:51.05`	`james_lan`	`have tried that`
`18:51.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`try it again then`
`18:51.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`18:53.44`	`james_lan`	`crash`
`18:54.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`thats weird..`
`18:54.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and zremote works fine?`
`18:54.20`	`james_lan`	`yes...`
`18:54.32`	`james_lan`	`lircd didn't die, thats new`
`18:54.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that makes no sense. you're oidng something wrong`
`18:56.52`	`james_lan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:56.58`	`james_lan`	`now getting that`
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`19:15.43`	`james_lan`	`blew the config away and started new, now it's working`
`19:17.41`	`james_lan`	`brb`
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`19:55.58`	`atla`	`heiho, sombody here :) ?`
`19:56.37`	`atla`	`i've got an yopy, so anybody knows if there is an arm port of nethack?`
`20:05.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot search zsi for nethack`
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`20:10.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot zsi`
`20:10.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot zsi neohack`
`20:10.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot zsi nethack`
`20:11.03`	`james_lan`	`over clocking Z?`
`20:11.25`	`atla`	`hmm`
`20:18.55`	`james_lan`	`comiling openldap`
`20:19.07`	`james_lan`	`compiling rather`
`20:19.37`	`james_lan`	`or not`
`20:24.34`	`atla`	`you know how i can get the .lpk working on a yopy?`
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`20:39.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yopy?`
`20:48.39`	`sheenmaster`	`how slow is an ext2 formatted SD card?`
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`20:48.56`	`sheenmaster`	`I am about to buy a 256mb one for software usage with 802.11b`
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`20:52.09`	`atla`	`TheMasterMind1, you don't know yopy?`
`20:52.16`	`atla`	`www.gmate.com ?`
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`20:56.32`	`Twiun`	`hey ibz`
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`21:04.39`	`DrBitchen`	`anyone have the voltage/current/pin specs for the sl5500 AC adapter?`
`21:04.52`	`DrBitchen`	`<< dead battery :(`
`21:05.07`	`Bovine`	`:/`
`21:05.12`	`DrBitchen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:05.51`	`Bovine`	`___`
`21:05.52`	`Bovine`	`---`
`21:06.05`	`Bovine`	`is how it's described on my Z`
`21:06.07`	`Bovine`	`...`
`21:06.07`	`DrBitchen`	`what does that meabn?`
`21:06.13`	`Bovine`	`good question :D`
`21:06.17`	`DrBitchen`	`hehe`
`21:06.35`	`DrBitchen`	`every device I've seen provides the polarity`
`21:06.37`	`Bovine`	`center is usually positive though isn't it`
`21:06.40`	`DrBitchen`	`'cept the good 'ol Z`
`21:06.55`	`DrBitchen`	`so you're saying your AC adapter sez ___/---?`
`21:07.02`	`Bovine`	`hang on`
`21:07.22`	`DrBitchen`	`negative tip isn't unusual either`
`21:07.42`	`storpik`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:07.50`	`DrBitchen`	`indeed`
`21:07.55`	`DrBitchen`	`just need the polarity`
`21:08.02`	`Bovine`	`outer core negative, inner positive`
`21:08.10`	`DrBitchen`	`bovine - for sure?`
`21:08.12`	`Bovine`	`that's what it indicates on the powersupply`
`21:08.23`	`DrBitchen`	`you're awesome.. thanx`
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`21:08.30`	`DrBitchen`	`so positive tip - thanx!!!!`
`21:09.18`	`storpik`	`+5 Volt. Solder that to the INNER contact of the power plug`
`21:09.43`	`DrBitchen`	`yah, the "pin" in the Z ashould be +`
`21:09.54`	`DrBitchen`	`negative shield ..`
`21:10.02`	`DrBitchen`	`danke'`
`21:27.07`	`sheenmaster`	`storpik: I'm working on a firewire power supply if you're interested.`
`21:28.44`	`sheenmaster`	`storpik: I'll be posting the schematics at http://flame.dnsart.com/ when I'm done.`
`21:32.59`	`kolla`	`storpik: bragging? :)`
`21:33.05`	`sheenmaster`	`storpik: it's not very complicated, just some resistors and a power regulator. Unfortunatly, radioshack only carries 1 amp regulators.`
`21:33.15`	`sheenmaster`	`kolla: bragging is fun :)`
`21:34.04`	`sheenmaster`	`storpik: jameco and elenco have the needed chip`
`21:34.20`	`kolla`	`sheenmaster: I referring to his nick :)`
`21:34.24`	`kolla`	`I am..`
`21:34.54`	`sheenmaster`	`kolla: k`
`21:35.33`	`kolla`	`"stor" means big, and the rest you can figure out yourself :)`
`21:36.53`	`sheenmaster`	`german?`
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`21:38.21`	`kolla`	`sheenmaster: no, scandinavian`
`21:38.32`	`George-`	`hi all`
`21:39.04`	`sheenmaster`	`kolla: I'll stick to English. And the one word of esperanto I know: Kaffo`
`21:39.30`	`kolla`	`:)`
`21:40.03`	`kolla`	`I bet it is kafo, since esperaonto doesnt have double consonants :)`
`21:40.12`	`sheenmaster`	`kolla: I'm American. With cities larger`
`21:40.15`	`kolla`	`</smartass>`
`21:40.18`	`sheenmaster`	`than some euro countries`
`21:40.23`	`kolla`	`indeed`
`21:40.24`	`sheenmaster`	`we don't have to learn foreign languages`
`21:40.37`	`sheenmaster`	`(damn second iBook 'enter' key)`
`21:40.45`	`kolla`	`yes, annoying that key`
`21:40.49`	`George-`	`how?`
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`21:42.00`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: very`
`21:42.17`	`George-`	`I haven't had trouble with it ;)`
`21:42.22`	`George-`	`(I have a powerbook though)`
`21:42.39`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: iBooks have longer 802.11b range :)`
`21:42.56`	`George-`	`sheenmaster: and...?`
`21:43.20`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: I WANT A G4`
`21:43.25`	`George-`	`lol`
`21:43.47`	`sheenmaster`	`get away from me!`
`21:43.54`	`kolla`	`:)`
`21:43.55`	`George-`	`(by waving his G4 titanium under sheenmaster's nose)`
`21:44.00`	`George-`	`=P`
`21:47.25`	`George-`	`I hijacked Slashdot's server farm`
`21:47.58`	`atla`	`where can i find rpg's for arm's :) ?`
`21:48.07`	`darius__`	`G4 is sooo nice`
`21:48.18`	`darius__`	`too bad price/performance is soooo bad`
`21:48.24`	`George-`	`darius__: wtf?`
`21:48.25`	`darius__`	`but I still have one :)`
`21:48.41`	`Twiun`	`atla: just recompile hethack for your yopy`
`21:48.42`	`George-`	`darius__: the G4 has a lot of power for how much you pay =P`
`21:48.50`	`atla`	`hmm`
`21:48.51`	`darius__`	`no, not in cpu`
`21:48.53`	`darius__`	`it sucks`
`21:48.58`	`George-`	`erm`
`21:49.01`	`atla`	`dont have a compiler for my yopy :/`
`21:49.09`	`George-`	`my CPU is perfectly acceptable`
`21:49.13`	`Twiun`	`atla: don't they have a developer program?`
`21:49.20`	`George-`	`esp with my entire linux compiled with gcc 3.2 will serious optimization ;)`
`21:49.28`	`darius__`	`"acceptable" to you .. and "competitive" to most are two different things`
`21:49.32`	`atla`	`iirc yes, cost 700$`
`21:49.44`	`George-`	`darius__: it's as responsive as my 2GHz Athlon`
`21:49.55`	`darius__`	`whatever`
`21:50.00`	`George-`	`atla: get the Zaurus SDK`
`21:50.05`	`darius__`	`I own Macs .. you're BSing to the wrong guy`
`21:50.09`	`sheenmaster`	`my 500mhz G3 seems faster than my 1ghz Coppermine`
`21:50.13`	`George-`	`darius__: I own macs too`
`21:50.18`	`George-`	`well, I own a mac ;)`
`21:50.23`	`George-`	`lol`
`21:50.32`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: my performa 410 could kick your mac's ass!`
`21:50.36`	`George-`	`haha`
`21:50.41`	`Twiun`	`~rlart`
`21:50.47`	`George-`	`darius__: what OS do you use on your mac?`
`21:50.49`	`darius__`	`My PII 266 is more "responsive" than my 733MHz Mac for a lot of things ... of course, that's when it's not crashing :)`
`21:50.50`	`darius__`	`OS X`
`21:51.01`	`George-`	`darius__: precisely, OS X is seriously bloated`
`21:51.05`	`darius__`	`I would never use OS 9 .. might as well use a Windows machine`
`21:51.16`	`George-`	`darius__: you can't compare OS X with any PC OS, cuz the PC OS will almost always win.`
`21:51.18`	`George-`	`;)`
`21:51.34`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: not winshit`
`21:51.38`	`George-`	`I'm comparing Linux on my Mac with Linux on my PC`
`21:51.52`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: Mac OS X is what winshit claims to be; Linux is what it could never hope to be.`
`21:51.58`	`George-`	`sheenmaster: Win2k on a Athlon 600 feels WAY faster than OS X on a 667Mhz G4`
`21:52.15`	`George-`	`;)`
`21:52.29`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: how much ram in the G4?`
`21:52.32`	`George-`	`512MB`
`21:52.37`	`George-`	`and 128MB in the Athlon`
`21:52.51`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: which can run longer?`
`21:52.56`	`George-`	`?`
`21:53.00`	`darius__`	`heh`
`21:53.00`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: uptime`
`21:53.06`	`George-`	`I dunno :)`
`21:53.17`	`George-`	`Apparently you can get Jaguar to crash on demand`
`21:53.17`	`darius__`	`yeah, not your win box :)`
`21:53.26`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: I'd be amazed if the Athlon can stay on for more than a week. Utterly dumbfounded.`
`21:53.37`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: yeah; it's a rm bug`
`21:53.42`	`darius__`	`I've heard of better than a week.. :)`
`21:53.44`	`George-`	`hehe`
`21:53.51`	`darius__`	`but that's not saying much against OS X, BSD, and linux`
`21:53.52`	`sheenmaster`	`darius__: that's the stuff of legends`
`21:53.52`	`George-`	`Who cares, I run Linux personally`
`21:53.59`	`sheenmaster`	`darius__: even M$ legends`
`21:54.02`	`George-`	`I'm just talking about responsiveness`
`21:54.28`	`George-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:54.29`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: evil*`
`21:54.35`	`George-`	`not bad, I installed this box 7 days ago :)`
`21:54.47`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: I have a laptop that's been on for 9 months.`
`21:54.52`	`George-`	`rofl`
`21:55.10`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: too bad X crashes whenever the temperature drops below 60F`
`21:55.27`	`George-`	`I would have a huge uptime on my powerbook (about 12 months) if I didn't keep wanting to reboot to play WarCraft 3 :)`
`21:56.22`	`George-`	`anyway, what's the point in this argument, I'm just saying that OS X's Aqua is seriously bloated`
`21:58.09`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: lol; that's my only reason for rebooting`
`21:58.26`	`George-`	`what is?`
`21:59.00`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: Warcraft 3 and Quake 3`
`21:59.05`	`George-`	`hahaha :)`
`21:59.10`	`George-`	`I love WarCraft 3`
`21:59.11`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: we had a LAN party on a school field trip`
`21:59.12`	`George-`	`I'm addicted`
`21:59.19`	`George-`	`but my tibook is being repaired :(`
`21:59.36`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: I was kicking ass in Team Arena, but Q3:Arena just isn't the same.`
`21:59.41`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: need my nailgun`
`22:00.40`	`George-`	`i don't like fps`
`22:01.00`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: they're cool with other people`
`22:01.05`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: get boring alone`
`22:01.17`	`sheenmaster`	`George-: the anti-thesis of coding`
`22:01.32`	`George-`	`lol`
`22:10.04`	`Shayde`	`'lo lo`
`22:12.18`	`Twiun`	`~rlart`
`22:21.18`	`Shayde`	`um`
`22:21.18`	`Shayde`	`ow.`
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`22:24.00`	`George-`	`MOO`
`22:24.06`	`George-`	`I'm a cow!`
`22:25.10`	`Twiun`	`~lart George-`
`22:26.43`	`George-`	`ooh`
`22:28.43`	`Twiun`	`hmmm`
`22:28.50`	`Twiun`	`we need to be able to select the gory ones`
`22:29.07`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:29.19`	`Twiun`	`renice just doesn't have the same feel as the ball stapling`
`22:29.30`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:30.02`	`Twiun`	`~lart George-`
`22:30.18`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:30.36`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:30.49`	`Twiun`	`~lart George-`
`22:30.58`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:31.00`	`Twiun`	`~lart George-`
`22:31.04`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:31.05`	`Twiun`	`bah`
`22:32.07`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:32.40`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:32.46`	`Twiun`	`~lart George-`
`22:32.47`	`George-`	`this is really fun`
`22:32.49`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:32.51`	`Twiun`	`haha`
`22:32.52`	`Twiun`	`~lart George-`
`22:32.57`	`Twiun`	`~lart George-`
`22:33.17`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:33.55`	`Twiun`	`~lart George-`
`22:34.47`	`ljp`	`ibot: lart george`
`22:34.53`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:34.55`	`George-`	`~lart ljp`
`22:34.55`	`ljp`	`ibot: lart twiun`
`22:34.59`	`Twiun`	`~lart George-`
`22:35.02`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:35.07`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:35.09`	`Twiun`	`~lart George-`
`22:35.15`	`George-`	`~lart Twiun`
`22:35.18`	`Twiun`	`lol, ok, enough spamming ;-)`
`22:35.18`	`ljp`	`dont yu guys have something better to do?`
`22:35.27`	`George-`	`HAH I WIN! =P I got the goryest one FIRST! :)`
`22:35.53`	`George-`	`I 0wnz3r5 j00`
`22:35.53`	`Twiun`	`hehe`
`22:36.01`	`George-`	`;)`
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`22:39.54`	`George-`	`I'm SOOO bored`
`22:40.10`	`George-`	`God, I want Novak here, I wanna argue ;)`
`22:40.23`	`Shayde`	`code, man!`
`22:40.33`	`George-`	`can't be bothered`
`22:41.27`	`Twiun`	`do something constructive man!`
`22:41.33`	`George-`	`like what?`
`22:41.46`	`Shayde`	`code! re-invent the wheel!`
`22:41.50`	`George-`	`I'm sitting here, hitting my "Check for new Mail" buton every 20 seconds`
`22:42.20`	George`Bored	`lol`
`22:42.39`	`ljp`	George`Bored: do your homework!
`22:43.05`	George`Bored	`ljp: can't be bothered`
`22:45.22`	`ljp`	`read c++ documents`
`22:45.43`	George`Bored	`ljp: can't be bothered ;)`
`22:46.50`	George`Bored	`ok, I'm off to bed`
`22:46.55`	George`Bored	`Before I die of severe boredom`
`22:46.57`	George`Bored	`G'night all`
`22:46.59`	`nadav`	`nite george`
`22:47.02`	George`Bored	`Have a merry boxing day`
`22:47.08`	George`Bored	`yawn`
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`22:49.24`	`ljp`	`just what the heck _is_ boxing day anyway?`
`22:51.05`	`oGMo`	`is it the day you get to box all the people that you feel could benefit from it? (c'mon i'm really hoping here! ;)`
`22:54.48`	`ljp`	`hmm boxing day == christmas`
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`22:56.01`	`oGMo`	`must be related to all the...boxes?`
`22:57.09`	`ljp`	`ya http://www.craigmarlatt.com/craig/canada/symbols_facts&lists/boxing_day.html`
`22:57.35`	`hobbs`	`and according to my math, if I encode at about 110kbit total, I can fit all of the Hunt For Red October on that. >:)`
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`22:58.31`	`ljp`	`hmm`
`23:00.07`	`ljp`	`leave it to the English to come up with a silly named holiday`
`23:01.18`	`hobbs`	`so, the real question is, what do I do with that wonderful plastic CF slot insert?`
`23:01.24`	`hobbs`	`wow. Is it really Debolaz?`
`23:08.13`	`angry`	`hobbs: i put it in my usb CF reader`
`23:08.13`	`angry`	`hehe`
`23:09.08`	`NoMercy`	`I'm poor, I use it to blank of my CF slot`
`23:10.37`	`angry`	`although i am looking to sell my 256mb CF card cuz i'm getting a wireless cf now :-P`
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`23:29.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sup`
`23:31.03`	`hobbs`	`llo tmm1.`
`23:31.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`whatsnew`
`23:32.22`	`NoMercy`	`ive got a Zaurus, strokes it sexy like`
`23:33.03`	`ljp`	`now go put openzaurus on it`
`23:33.31`	`NoMercy`	`when i find the time/money`
`23:39.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oz is now $79.99`
`23:39.35`	`badl_`	`buggah, i paid $99.95 for my copy! :(`
`23:39.53`	`badl_`	`is that a xmas special TheMasterMind1?`
`23:40.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea`
`23:40.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`limited time offer`
`23:40.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`149.99 after xmas`
`23:41.16`	`badl_`	`hmm a little pricey...`
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