irclog2html for #zaurus on 20021223

`00:00.27`	`troffasky`	`kolla: ls, cp, mv, sh, rm, du, df, all two letter commands. Lazy and fast.`
`00:00.36`	`the_tek`	`oh baby!`
`00:00.40`	`badl`	`and good choices too`
`00:00.58`	`storpik`	`The concept of everything being a file in Unix. Very smart`
`00:00.58`	`George-`	`the_tek: haha`
`00:01.12`	`the_tek`	`storpik: and lazy!`
`00:01.42`	`George-`	`guys... STOP BEING NOSTALGIC!`
`00:01.43`	`storpik`	`The ability to script up a utility using lots of little ones`
`00:01.45`	`kolla`	`storpik: only it isnt, everything isnt a file`
`00:01.57`	`troffasky`	`eth0 isn't a file`
`00:01.59`	`the_tek`	`The mere openness and power of Linux/Unix is what keeps developers like me in the habit...`
`00:02.21`	`George-`	`troffasky: hah`
`00:02.24`	`storpik`	`So, you found an exception . Good boy!`
`00:02.37`	`kolla`	`oh, but there are lots of exceptions`
`00:02.44`	`troffasky`	`but then you'd never need file access to eth0`
`00:02.45`	`George-`	`MY BRAIN ISN'T A FILE`
`00:02.47`	`badl`	`now, how about the C64.. that was a beautful 8bit baby!`
`00:02.47`	`George-`	`;)`
`00:02.54`	`George-`	`I don't see /dev/penis either!`
`00:03.01`	`kolla`	`badl: and it has some nice OSes as well :)`
`00:03.04`	`storpik`	`The C-64 was ahead of its time`
`00:03.15`	`badl`	`hell commodore was ahead of its time`
`00:03.15`	`the_tek`	`Yeah it turned on...`
`00:03.24`	`George-`	`lol`
`00:03.27`	`troffasky`	`If you can't load it off audio tape, it ain't worth running`
`00:03.32`	`badl`	`haha`
`00:03.33`	`the_tek`	`lol`
`00:03.46`	`badl`	`the old 20-30minute loads on big games!`
`00:03.49`	`George-`	`What was the first mainstream computer?`
`00:03.57`	`troffasky`	`speaking of which, is there a SNES emu for zaurus?`
`00:04.02`	`troffasky`	`4004?`
`00:04.03`	`George-`	`yes`
`00:04.03`	`the_tek`	`The Univac as I recall`
`00:04.07`	`badl`	`hmm not sure.. zx80/PET maybe?`
`00:04.17`	`kolla`	`commodore sure was ahead of its time.. they went bust before anyone else`
`00:04.26`	`the_tek`	`Of course not many Univacs sold... poor market and all`
`00:04.27`	`troffasky`	`lol`
`00:04.28`	`George-`	`what was the PDP11? =P`
`00:04.51`	`troffasky`	`the petri dish of Unix`
`00:04.54`	`storpik`	`Commode-door-64 $300 PDP-1 $300,000`
`00:05.04`	`George-`	`hrmm`
`00:05.07`	`badl`	`do you guys remember this ad on tv "Atari says fun, oh yes sir-re, its the twenty-six hundred from atari!"`
`00:05.17`	`the_tek`	`God how old are you people!??`
`00:05.20`	`kolla`	`:)`
`00:05.23`	`mark`	`3`
`00:05.24`	`George-`	`the_tek: 14`
`00:05.25`	`George-`	`;)`
`00:05.26`	`storpik`	`I'm 55`
`00:05.30`	`badl`	`24`
`00:05.31`	`troffasky`	`20`
`00:05.33`	`the_tek`	`23`
`00:05.40`	`George-`	`kolla: hahaha`
`00:05.41`	`badl`	`hehe`
`00:05.49`	`mark`	`kolla: congrats`
`00:05.57`	`troffasky`	`hey you'll get us all busted talking like that`
`00:06.04`	`the_tek`	`Which of these geeks just doesn't belong with the others..lalalala`
`00:06.05`	`badl`	`lol`
`00:06.11`	`kolla`	`.. I think, havent really studied it much the last decade`
`00:06.19`	`badl`	`eats is an interesting word ;)`
`00:06.38`	`kolla`	`yes, why is it "eat" and not "eet"`
`00:06.42`	`troffasky`	`kolla: being a linux geek will give you plenty of time to...`
`00:07.09`	`badl`	`kolla: i don't know why eat is not fscking eet!`
`00:07.12`	`troffasky`	`anyone ever see that "linux developer gets laid" story on bbspot.com?`
`00:07.24`	`badl`	`nope`
`00:07.41`	`troffasky`	`it was a laugh. look it up`
`00:07.48`	`badl`	`i am ;)`
`00:07.48`	`the_tek`	`yeah, I didn't really believe it... they're not known for the true reporting... not like CNN...`
`00:07.55`	`*** join/#zaurus SillyZ (~SillyZ@lnk-24-169-246-61.neb.rr.com)`
`00:08.04`	`George-`	`troffasky: yeh, I saw it :)`
`00:08.27`	`troffasky`	`a classic :-)`
`00:08.46`	`George-`	`theonion.com ;)`
`00:09.01`	`George-`	`"Holy Shit! Man lands on moon" rings a bell :)`
`00:09.08`	`troffasky`	`lament satirewire.com, sniff :(`
`00:09.29`	`kolla`	`George-: yes... some movie I have seen lately`
`00:09.40`	`kolla`	`dont remember which`
`00:10.36`	`troffasky`	`how do I add an arbitrary icon to my apps tab?`
`00:10.58`	`George-`	`http://www.linksys.com/splash/wsb24_splash.asp`
`00:11.00`	`George-`	`hah, cool`
`00:11.01`	`badl`	`with tab-manager`
`00:11.07`	`kolla`	`arbitrary?`
`00:11.15`	`badl`	`random i think he means`
`00:11.20`	`troffasky`	`nope`
`00:11.24`	`badl`	`oh`
`00:11.30`	`troffasky`	`I have an app, but its icon doesn't show up`
`00:11.45`	`kolla`	`edit the frigging .desktop file`
`00:11.56`	`badl`	`.. yeah thats what i was about to say!`
`00:12.04`	`George-`	`SOUTHFIELD, MI--Bored with scaring elderly misers, the Ghost of Christmas Future is spending the holiday season taunting modern children with visions of Christmas 2016's hottest toy: the Sony PlayStation 5, a 2,048-bit console featuring a 45-Ghz trinary processor, CineReal graphics booster with 2-gig biotexturing, and an RSP connector for 360-degree online-immersion play.`
`00:12.04`	`George-`	`ROFL`
`00:12.11`	`George-`	`trinary :)`
`00:12.32`	`kolla`	`and make sure the icon specified actually exists in the opiedir pics directory`
`00:12.47`	`troffasky`	`thanks`
`00:18.18`	`troffasky`	`how do`
`00:18.28`	`troffasky`	`i get ESC on the zaurus KB ?`
`00:18.44`	`the_tek`	`Hit the Cancel button on the outside!!!`
`00:19.00`	`*** join/#zaurus noda (~noda@modemcable136.245-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca)`
`00:19.09`	`troffasky`	`thanks`
`00:20.02`	`troffasky`	`erm delete/backspace? don't seem to work in Vi\\\`
`00:20.30`	`*** join/#zaurus [George] (~Test@m39-mp1.cvx2-a.bre.dial.ntli.net)`
`00:20.32`	`noda`	`troffasky: It's an option in your .vimrc - I forget what it is though :)`
`00:20.56`	`the_tek`	`and how does it "not work"?`
`00:20.58`	`troffasky`	`noda`
`00:21.05`	`troffasky`	`noda: would be if`
`00:21.08`	`troffasky`	`arrrgh`
`00:21.34`	`the_tek`	`Perhaps it's not vi at fault but your poor typing skills (from what I can see ;)`
`00:21.42`	`noda`	`rofl`
`00:21.58`	`troffasky`	`the_tek: lots of ^^^^ chars appear when I use backspace. and delete just makes the terminal beep`
`00:22.01`	`troffasky`	`lol`
`00:22.42`	`noda`	`You mean ^H?`
`00:22.55`	`the_tek`	`You can always use the x-key (del one character) in vi`
`00:23.01`	`noda`	`Maybe try ":noremap <C-h> Del" or something.`
`00:23.05`	`the_tek`	`The way it should be!`
`00:23.32`	`troffasky`	`^H is underscore`
`00:23.57`	`[George]`	`^H is backspace, isn't it?`
`00:24.06`	`troffasky`	`not on the zaurus keyboard`
`00:24.11`	`noda`	`^H is backspace.`
`00:24.26`	`noda`	`troffasky: Just trust me, try :noremap <C-h> Del`
`00:24.37`	`noda`	`I've lent my Z to my brother so I can't test it myself :)`
`00:24.44`	`noda`	`Or :noremap <C-h> Bs`
`00:24.53`	`the_tek`	`Use 'x' in command mode damn it ! just use x for the love of God!`
`00:24.57`	`troffasky`	`'noremap' is not implemented`
`00:25.02`	`noda`	`Okay, try :remap`
`00:25.16`	`noda`	`the_tek: It does get annoying when you type very very quickly and so make a few little mistakes :)`
`00:25.27`	`troffasky`	`the_tek: thanks`
`00:25.42`	`troffasky`	`noda: not implemented either`
`00:25.54`	`noda`	`Sheesh, :map maybe?`
`00:26.00`	`the_tek`	`Who types quickly on the zaurus?`
`00:26.06`	`troffasky`	`nope`
`00:26.10`	`Com[Plex]`	`I do`
`00:26.10`	`noda`	`the_tek: I get I guess 35WPM`
`00:26.18`	`the_tek`	`IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII`
`00:26.20`	`the_tek`	`me too ;)`
`00:26.30`	`[George]`	`I guess approx 20wpm on the Z`
`00:27.16`	`the_tek`	`I just ssh to it, from a full blown computer if I need to type something huge.`
`00:27.46`	`noda`	`the_tek: In which case being able to backspace while in insert mode is a useful feature :P`
`00:27.51`	`noda`	`(so we're back to square 1)`
`00:28.09`	`the_tek`	`Oh I'll backspace you! ;)`
`00:28.13`	`troffasky`	`the_tek: well so would I, but I had to reboot my laptop and now it doesn't want to load the wlan card modules :9`
`00:28.55`	`the_tek`	`I gotta get a 802.11 set up one of these days...`
`00:29.49`	`troffasky`	`the_tek: so have I ;)`
`00:30.16`	`[George]`	`guys, is this conversation REALLY random or what? :)`
`00:30.40`	`the_tek`	`Apparently! Now we're conversing about the conversation... this is fun!`
`00:30.46`	`troffasky`	`About four minutes per ounce of meat`
`00:31.03`	`the_tek`	`Now we're talking about meat?!`
`00:31.31`	`the_tek`	`Now we're talking about us talking about meat?!`
`00:31.44`	`the_tek`	`Now we're... of f*ck it!`
`00:31.47`	`troffasky`	`Now you're talking about us talking about meat?`
`00:32.05`	`noda`	`I think we should be talking about some people here getting a sense of humour :)`
`00:32.33`	`troffasky`	`you think I was being serious?`
`00:32.36`	`the_tek`	`Do you realize there're like 70+ lurkers in this channel?!`
`00:32.45`	`the_tek`	`Wake up people!`
`00:32.50`	`the_tek`	`Hello anyone there?`
`00:32.51`	`storpik`	`I have learned that people with broken senses of humour don't want them fixed`
`00:32.55`	`noda`	`troffasky: No, I'm saying you need a sense of humour :)`
`00:32.58`	`troffasky`	`what's the lurkers/talkers ratio?`
`00:33.12`	`the_tek`	`1million to 1 but I was never good at math ;)`
`00:33.13`	`troffasky`	`noda: based on what?`
`00:33.25`	`noda`	`troffasky: Which is a sarcastic way of saying "Not funny" :P`
`00:33.49`	`the_tek`	`We need to get some people who know what "sarcastic" means!`
`00:35.25`	`the_tek`	`All right roll call!`
`00:35.29`	`the_tek`	`_AleX_`
`00:35.40`	`the_tek`	`ayanami, badl, BiGBiGYLLaMa`
`00:36.00`	`the_tek`	`bwestlin,ciaolinux, Com[Plex], darienm`
`00:36.04`	`kergoth`	`stands up Hello, my name is chris, and I am a smartass. sits back down`
`00:36.11`	`the_tek`	`Data,Deboalz,`
`00:36.21`	`the_tek`	`Hello smartass`
`00:36.50`	`troffasky`	`FrenchToastMan: ?`
`00:37.01`	`noda`	`Congratulations, kergoth, it's hard to admit sometimes.`
`00:37.07`	`kergoth`	`noda: thanks!`
`00:37.32`	`[George]`	`LOL`
`00:37.43`	`[George]`	`stands up I WANT FOOD! sits back down`
`00:37.49`	`the_tek`	`All right! Dilb, djg, endr, erikd,`
`00:37.51`	`mark`	`[George]: fatso`
`00:38.05`	`[George]`	`mark: I've lost weight, actually =P`
`00:38.11`	`[George]`	`mark: I lost 1 kg :)`
`00:38.17`	`noda`	`(I think)`
`00:38.17`	`[George]`	`(god knows how)`
`00:38.23`	`the_tek`	`no no no mark, we don't call anyone fatso in here... say fat-ass!`
`00:38.30`	`[George]`	`I'm still a bit fat ass`
`00:38.38`	`noda`	`I haven't seen a scale in around 6 months, but I think I've lost a bit of weight :)`
`00:38.41`	`[George]`	`the_tek: we aren't american ;)`
`00:38.55`	`the_tek`	`I am.. [un]fortunately ;)`
`00:39.03`	`storpik`	`Is your belly so big you can't see the scale?`
`00:39.10`	`[George]`	`nearly ;)`
`00:39.15`	`noda`	`Erm, no, it's not big at all :)`
`00:39.16`	`the_tek`	`No but my d*ck is !!`
`00:40.14`	`the_tek`	`"duck" you perverts!`
`00:40.46`	`storpik`	`For true ectasy a duck. As they say in Afghanistan`
`00:41.22`	`[George]`	`the_tek: blah`
`00:41.33`	`the_tek`	`FelixKat,fishy,Freddie,FrenchToastMan,George-,hardwire,hash,ibot,jbarrett,jurrie_`
`00:43.06`	`the_tek`	`KhensU, kolla, levi_, ljp2, mark,nadav,NeoTron,nmtrix,noda,nullman,oGMo,Pendalar,pheph,rabbit_uk`
`00:43.53`	`*** join/#zaurus TheMasterMind1 (foobar@h-69-3-84-147.MCLNVA23.covad.net)`
`00:43.53`	`[George]`	`the_tek: wtf are you doing? :)`
`00:43.53`	`[George]`	`TheMasterMind1: Are you the X god on OZ?`
`00:43.53`	`the_tek`	`raster (aka RasterMan see also http://www.enlightenment.org... where's my damn E17...), roge99, scanline,ScroogeCow`
`00:43.59`	`the_tek`	`Roll call damnit!`
`00:44.04`	`[George]`	`the_tek: HAHAHAHA`
`00:44.11`	`scanline`	`?`
`00:44.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`[George]: heh, not really. why?`
`00:44.16`	`kergoth`	`?`
`00:44.26`	`[George]`	`TheMasterMind1: How do Irun it dammit? :P`
`00:44.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`did you install it?`
`00:44.35`	`noda`	`the_tek: e17 is in CVS, you can run it...`
`00:44.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`from the OZ feeds`
`00:44.38`	`[George]`	`well, i did`
`00:44.42`	`scanline`	`the_tek: you have awakened the hilighted wrath of the lurkers... prepare to be duct taped`
`00:44.44`	`[George]`	`Never got it to run though`
`00:44.48`	`the_tek`	`Just trying to wake these bastards up... i`
`00:44.56`	`the_tek`	`woo hoo!`
`00:44.58`	`[George]`	`scanline: lol`
`00:45.23`	`[George]`	`the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek, the_tek,`
`00:45.31`	`kergoth`	`~lart [George]`
`00:45.41`	`[George]`	`kergoth: what have I done wrong now???`
`00:45.41`	`[George]`	`;)`
`00:45.42`	`the_tek`	`CVS my ass... I'm not about to go through E and compile that thing...`
`00:45.59`	`[George]`	`the_tek: better than compiling KDE`
`00:46.00`	`the_tek`	`George: hahahhaha... I'm present!`
`00:46.06`	`noda`	`the_tek: Well then don't complain, it's your laziness you should complain about :)`
`00:46.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`[George]: ipkg install tinyx icewm; startx`
`00:46.27`	`[George]`	`TheMasterMind1: there wasn't a startx script.. :(`
`00:46.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`[George]: try /usr/sbin/X then`
`00:46.53`	`the_tek`	`Naa uh it's rasterman's laziness... ;) jk raster... don't hold this against me !!`
`00:47.06`	`[George]`	`TheMasterMind1: ok, I'll try that tomorrow`
`00:47.08`	`kergoth`	`the_tek: laziness? are you on crack?`
`00:47.16`	`[George]`	`TheMasterMind1: I'm trying to code a stupid app now :)`
`00:47.18`	`kergoth`	`the_tek: try subscribing to the enlightenment cvs logs mailing list`
`00:47.20`	`the_tek`	`as a matter of fact...`
`00:47.23`	`[George]`	`I HATE QT`
`00:47.29`	`[George]`	`;)`
`00:47.35`	`noda`	`Hell, the packaging isn't even rasterman's responsibility.`
`00:47.40`	`noda`	`He does evas, which KICKS ASS :P`
`00:48.30`	`raster`	`the_tek: :-P~ :)`
`00:49.05`	`noda`	`raster: Hallo :)... your work is awesome :)`
`00:49.10`	`Freddie`	`hello raster!`
`00:49.11`	`Freddie`	`:)`
`00:49.16`	`the_tek`	`;( rasterman's mad at me!!! ;(`
`00:49.29`	`Freddie`	`raster: How is evas coming?`
`00:49.52`	`the_tek`	`Oh God now I'll never live to see E!`
`00:50.00`	`[George]`	`LOL`
`00:50.12`	`[George]`	`raster: just an ordinary aussie then? :)`
`00:50.34`	`[George]`	`raster: that just happens to have a fan club :)`
`00:50.51`	`raster`	`noda: wish i had a bit more time :)`
`00:50.56`	`raster`	`Freddie: hey hey :)`
`00:51.02`	`the_tek`	`Aussies KICK ASS !!! (until E17 comes out ;)`
`00:51.05`	`raster`	`the_tek: AHGAHAHHAHA :)`
`00:51.10`	`noda`	`raster: Don't we all :)`
`00:51.14`	`[George]`	`the_tek: lol`
`00:52.15`	`the_tek`	`Hey raster do you have any info on whether the Linux distrubutions are gonna put enlightenment back in (ie RH)?`
`00:52.21`	`the_tek`	`Maybe E17?`
`00:52.27`	`raster`	`[George]: i dont realyl deserve one. i'm not a coder - just an artist who learnt how to code out of necessity :) decentish career too compared to art stuff.`
`00:52.54`	`[George]`	`raster: that's what I heard was the reason to your success =P`
`00:53.12`	`raster`	`the_tek: rh probabyl wont bother. the others will- debian keeps it on. e is a bit outdated now. e17 is what peolpe are waiting for i think. but i dont have the time to work on it fully- just bits and peices here and there.`
`00:53.45`	`the_tek`	`I love your art skills too.... http://www.rasterman.com/pages/index.html It's so clean and neat!`
`00:53.58`	`the_tek`	`Did you go to art school or did you grok the gimp yourself?`
`00:54.00`	`[George]`	`the_tek: shut up :)`
`00:54.13`	`[George]`	`the_tek: you're too hyper!`
`00:54.21`	`the_tek`	`George: you're just jealous.`
`00:54.48`	`Freddie`	`:)`
`00:56.07`	`kergoth`	`noda: hows our download count atm, on openzaurus.org for 3.1rc1?`
`00:56.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`781 earlier today`
`00:56.19`	`the_tek`	`mark was a wuz anyway!`
`00:56.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`noda: sup`
`00:56.22`	`noda`	`kergoth: Erm... lesse... didn't I put up a nice easy page?`
`00:56.37`	`noda`	`Oh, right, I decided, "screw it" :P`
`00:57.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`00:57.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lazy bitch`
`00:57.34`	`[George]`	`the_tek: jealous of what?`
`00:58.08`	`noda`	`637 unique hosts have downloaded the initrd.`
`00:58.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cool`
`00:58.26`	`noda`	`For a total of 783 downloads.`
`00:58.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`put a nice page`
`00:58.39`	`the_tek`	`[George]: Oh you know of what... don't even pretend ;)`
`00:58.43`	`noda`	`TheMasterMind1: I'm gonna make a 'settings' thing first. The page will be very dependent on it :)`
`00:58.46`	`[George]`	`the_tek: ???`
`00:58.54`	`noda`	`Filtering stuff - i.e., which queries are necessary :)`
`00:59.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`00:59.20`	`raster`	`[George]: well - it's a different take on the whole thing. look at it form an artisitc view.. not a coders "heres a cool new hack of a routing routine" view.`
`00:59.39`	`raster`	`the_tek: never been to art school. been drawing sinc ei was able to holda pen`
`00:59.56`	`raster`	`the_tek: my mother does oil painting/portraits... i think i got some of it from her.`
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`01:00.34`	`Baruch_Goldstein`	`whats up ?`
`01:01.07`	`the_tek`	`raster: Were you part of gimp at all? Is that still your favorite? Do any 3D blender-style?`
`01:01.40`	`raster`	`the_tek: nah. i never had the time. i was busy writing e :)`
`01:01.55`	`raster`	`though before gimpw as around i did have plans on writign my own pain proggie`
`01:01.59`	`Baruch_Goldstein`	`how is E doing these days ?`
`01:02.10`	`raster`	`sicn ei lived in deluxe paint for ages.. i just wanted a close that was decent :)`
`01:02.14`	`the_tek`	`raster: sorry for all the questions, just never talked to a celebrity before!`
`01:02.18`	`raster`	`Baruch_Goldstein: its getting huge :)`
`01:02.24`	`Baruch_Goldstein`	`raster :(`
`01:02.35`	`raster`	`the_tek: hahaha. i'm not a celeb. i'm just another guy who writes code for fun.`
`01:02.55`	`raster`	`Baruch_Goldstein: e17's codebase if you include all the new libs etc. is > 200,000 lines of code.`
`01:03.18`	`Baruch_Goldstein`	`hope that makes a good cup of coffee`
`01:03.24`	`the_tek`	`Now how big is it when you take out the blank lines and comments?`
`01:03.45`	`raster`	`Baruch_Goldstein: hahahahahah :)`
`01:04.02`	`raster`	`the_tek: still about 200,000 lines (i generalyl dont comment things too much or leave too much spacing)`
`01:04.16`	`the_tek`	`argh!`
`01:04.17`	`scanline`	`hehe`
`01:04.36`	`raster`	`why put comments in`
`01:04.40`	`raster`	`thats what the CODe is for!`
`01:04.40`	`raster`	`:)`
`01:04.41`	`Baruch_Goldstein`	`i check the news sections on e.org but updates are at 6 month intervals its seems :>`
`01:04.57`	`the_tek`	`How's one supposed to get started on something if it's sooo damn huge... if one was so inclined to get started on something like that ;)`
`01:05.20`	`scanline`	`raster: makes it easier to read, for yourself and other people? I'm usually too lazy to write good docs, so I at least want the code to make a lot of sense :)`
`01:05.40`	`the_tek`	`Baruch_Goldstein: that's because they're so busy explaining thing to people like you on IRC ;)`
`01:05.51`	`raster`	`the_tek: its big.. but its modularised. you can get to work on just one module. for example eet is 3400 lines.`
`01:05.53`	`noda`	`the_tek: It's in lots of components.`
`01:06.07`	`raster`	`Baruch_Goldstein: basically i never update it cause i'm too busy with the code.`
`01:06.17`	`raster`	`Baruch_Goldstein: and the others doing the code generalyl dont update it tiehr.`
`01:06.36`	`Baruch_Goldstein`	`not a problem, just curious`
`01:06.40`	`kergoth`	`Baruch_Goldstein: cvs logs mailing list. subscribe. :P`
`01:06.59`	`the_tek`	`Baruch_Goldstein: hey maybe you can update the website (or keep your own)?`
`01:07.25`	`Baruch_Goldstein`	`too late in the game to get involved`
`01:07.36`	`raster`	`well i've asked the web maintainers to read the cvs-commits list`
`01:07.44`	`raster`	`and regularly digest it and turn it into news articles`
`01:07.51`	`raster`	`as the cvs commits basically shows wat code isbeing done`
`01:08.02`	`raster`	`the cvs commit comments often tell you in short what was done etc.`
`01:08.04`	`Baruch_Goldstein`	`i'm making the assumption that a project like E, nearing 200,000 lines of code .. is near finished.. or close to finished... or .... heh`
`01:08.10`	`noda`	`Baruch_Goldstein: lol, too late in the game? There's lots left :)`
`01:08.11`	`raster`	`haha`
`01:08.12`	`raster`	`nup`
`01:08.18`	`raster`	`its being broken into lots of moduels`
`01:08.21`	`raster`	`eet is one`
`01:08.22`	`raster`	`evas is another`
`01:08.23`	`kergoth`	`raster: I'm glad you guys comment your commits well`
`01:08.25`	`raster`	`imlib2 is another`
`01:08.25`	`raster`	`etc.,`
`01:08.28`	`raster`	`each with a purpose`
`01:08.28`	`the_tek`	`"broken" hahaha!`
`01:08.32`	`kergoth`	`raster: half of mine tend to be "fixed stuff."`
`01:08.34`	`raster`	`but their purposes go beyodn e itself`
`01:08.34`	`noda`	`raster: Who knows, if all of a sudden all my other projects disappear I'll update the website :P`
`01:08.35`	`kergoth`	`raster: ;)`
`01:08.51`	`raster`	`noda: ahhahahahaha`
`01:09.04`	`the_tek`	`Allright everyone stop bothering raster so he can finish E17 and update the website...`
`01:09.07`	`the_tek`	`go ahead raster...`
`01:09.09`	`raster`	`kergoth: yeah.. somtime si do that.. and sometimes i put in paragraphs - especially if its a new feature i'm proud of! :)`
`01:09.14`	`raster`	`ahhahaha`
`01:09.17`	`raster`	`nah`
`01:09.22`	`raster`	`right now i'm @ work, writing documentation`
`01:09.31`	`raster`	`no time to do it now`
`01:09.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wow, writing documentation?`
`01:09.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`impressive`
`01:09.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i could never get myself to write docs`
`01:09.52`	`the_tek`	`Oh ok, then it's perfectly fine to bother him at work!`
`01:10.06`	`the_tek`	`We don't need no steeenkin docs!`
`01:10.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oh, at work`
`01:10.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i see`
`01:10.23`	`the_tek`	`In Soviet Russia the code comments "you"!`
`01:11.19`	`raster`	`TheMasterMind1: slight different. this is what i'm benig paid to do.. and its project management docs (ie system specifications)`
`01:11.22`	`Baruch_Goldstein`	`biology is by far the most useful study you'll have during college, 20 years from now you'll be wondering why you're passing a kidney stone the size of a golf ball and understand why`
`01:11.32`	`the_tek`	`hahaha`
`01:11.48`	`raster`	`mind you evas is documents about 30%`
`01:11.50`	`raster`	`err`
`01:11.51`	`raster`	`documented`
`01:11.57`	`raster`	`its all javadoc in there`
`01:12.06`	`raster`	`i just need to finish off the docs... one day`
`01:13.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`01:13.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`one day :o)`
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`01:25.57`	`[George]`	`http://www.hackersplayground.org/humor/caution.jpg`
`01:26.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`[George]: how nice.`
`01:26.44`	`[George]`	`;)`
`01:32.28`	`kolla`	`what a big bitch`
`01:32.41`	`kolla`	`or who is that motherfucking kid? :)`
`01:33.06`	`ljp2`	`which one? george?`
`01:34.31`	`[George]`	`LOL`
`01:34.34`	`[George]`	`ljp2: bastard ;)`
`01:34.46`	`the_tek`	`That's mighty inappropriate George! The AT&T monopoly has done a lot of good for us all... They're responsible for UNIX/C and God knows whatelse.`
`01:34.52`	`the_tek`	`I'm appalled!!`
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`01:36.12`	`[George]`	`the_tek: ahhaha`
`01:40.05`	`kergoth`	`~fishslap the_tek`
`01:40.09`		`ACTION slaps the_tek up side the head with a wet fish.`
`01:41.39`	`kergoth`	`ibot: botsnack`
`01:41.39`		`thanks kergoth :)`
`01:41.48`	`the_tek`	`You can't do that you're dead!`
`01:44.40`	`the_tek`	`Hey George, I knew those guys at http://www.hackersplayground.org/humor/caution.jpg looked familiar, the one on the left is ibot and the one on the right is kergoth!`
`01:44.41`	`[George]`	`the_tek: thanks most awfully`
`01:44.47`	`[George]`	`LOL`
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`01:55.29`	`Guest`	`Im typing thison my Z from hawaii`
`01:55.52`	`Guest`	`sitting at the pool vr by the beach`
`01:56.02`	`Guest`	`bar. weee`
`01:57.26`	`[George]`	`I just won a fat argument`
`01:57.26`	`[George]`	`lol`
`01:58.41`	`[George]`	`g'night all`
`01:58.42`	`[George]`	`have fun`
`01:58.53`	`[George]`	`the_tek: take some sedative :)`
`01:59.38`	`[George]`	`bye all`
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`02:42.06`	`fishy`	`can a mic and headphones be plugged in at the same time>`
`02:42.08`	`fishy`	`?*`
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`02:48.30`	`Com[Plex]`	`uh.. if you have the right kind of mic and headphones. I think they can`
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`02:48.56`	`Com[Plex]`	`actually, iirc, a stereo set of headphones acts like a mono headphon and a mono mic`
`02:49.00`	`Com[Plex]`	`but IM not positive`
`02:49.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sup Com[Plex]`
`02:49.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`how goes it`
`02:49.24`	`Com[Plex]`	`eh.. im not sure.`
`02:49.34`	`Com[Plex]`	`my nic card doesnt work right under 3.1rc1`
`02:49.38`	`Com[Plex]`	`wireless`
`02:49.50`	`Com[Plex]`	`anyone else here using rc1 with a wifi card?`
`02:50.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`there's problems apparently with it`
`02:50.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i dunno why`
`02:50.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`or what`
`02:50.57`	`dep`	`my wifi card works under rc1, but not if i update to unstable`
`02:51.38`	`Com[Plex]`	`I finally fixed operacreator, and tested it from the 1.3a rom for 5000d, and installed its product into 3.1 successfully.`
`02:51.54`	`Com[Plex]`	`had some weird problems with it. hard to explain.`
`02:52.04`	`Com[Plex]`	`not under 3.1, but rather, under the sharp rome`
`02:52.05`	`Com[Plex]`	`rom`
`02:52.30`	`Com[Plex]`	`it was like, - the script was trying to go on and do other things while the thing was still taring the files.`
`02:54.21`	`Com[Plex]`	`another thing. has anyone else noticed that the charging led goes on and off at randome times?`
`02:54.40`	`Com[Plex]`	`is this because the unit is fully charged? <smarter power management under 3.1 ?`
`02:57.03`	`Com[Plex]`	`Im worried that my cord might be failing. or that sharp might have broken my z when they serviced it`
`02:57.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`might be`
`02:57.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`power management hasn't changed in 3.1`
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`03:00.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yo noda`
`03:00.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wassabi`
`03:01.05`	`noda`	`The usual...`
`03:05.18`	`Com[Plex]`	`really? then whats this thing that I had ti install, apmd ?`
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`03:08.47`	`Com[Plex]`	`uh.. this is odd`
`03:09.28`	`Com[Plex]`	`opera puked when I tried to load a page under 3.1`
`03:10.01`	`Pendalar`	`I just puked, and yes it's a bug not a feature`
`03:10.02`	`Com[Plex]`	`anyone know what the trick was to make opera work under 3.0 ? some new "opie taskbar" preload stuff ?`
`03:10.49`	`noda`	`I thought you needed to use 3.1rc1`
`03:11.06`	`noda`	`(i.e., it's not a "trick", it's an adventure.)`
`03:12.18`	`Com[Plex]`	`well. im in 3.1 rc1 and it just exited when I tried to open a page`
`03:13.26`	`Com[Plex]`	`segfaults`
`03:13.54`	`noda`	`Weird.`
`03:15.48`	`Com[Plex]`	`what is fluxbox ?`
`03:16.13`	`ljp`	`wm`
`03:16.19`	`DaWorm`	`its awesome!`
`03:16.26`	`noda`	`Com[Plex]: A window manager.`
`03:16.34`	`DaWorm`	`fluxbox in the c700 would be nice`
`03:16.38`	`noda`	`Think KDE minus the bloat.`
`03:16.50`	`noda`	`...though OpenBox is even less bloated than fluxbox :)`
`03:17.28`	`DaWorm`	`i've heard`
`03:19.58`	`Com[Plex]`	`whats opie-oxygen?`
`03:21.09`	`ljp`	`mad scientist app`
`03:23.28`	`DaWorm`	`lol`
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`04:15.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`opie-oxygen = periodic table of elements`
`04:16.22`	`noda`	`Ooh!`
`04:16.31`	`noda`	`That sounds quite useful :)`
`04:16.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`indeed`
`04:17.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`this is so sweet, my download speed increased`
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`04:29.24`	`LordDavon`	`Hello everyone`
`04:30.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hey LordDavon`
`04:30.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nice job with the c700s`
`04:31.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i still think you should have worked with us OZ guys and gotten OZ on there as the default rom ;)`
`04:34.39`	`LordDavon`	`MasterMind: lol... Chris is getting a unit to work with. ;)`
`04:34.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so i heard :)`
`04:35.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`send me one too :)`
`04:35.08`	`LordDavon`	`I will "steal" what I can, you understand. I am not big on reinventing the wheel.`
`04:35.13`	`LordDavon`	`;)`
`04:35.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i do a lot of OZ work too`
`04:35.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`do you guys have the kernel sources etc? has sharp released them?`
`04:35.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the stuff used on the c700`
`04:35.56`	`LordDavon`	`They have released them.`
`04:35.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that'd help in our .19 development`
`04:36.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`they have? where?`
`04:36.11`	`LordDavon`	`They have them on a Japanese server. Let me try and find them again.`
`04:36.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that's would be GREAT`
`04:37.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`email them to me if i don't respond (oz@themastermind1.net) -- linux might crash, i'm trying some funky stuff`
`04:38.50`	`DaWorm`	`hehe`
`04:38.57`	`DaWorm`	`man i'd love to get a c700 soon`
`04:39.05`	`noda`	`Which one's the c700?`
`04:39.17`	`DaWorm`	`clamshell type`
`04:39.39`	`noda`	`Ah.`
`04:39.44`	`noda`	`how fast?`
`04:40.14`	`nullman`	`the c700 reminds me of the hp95/100/200lx`
`04:40.27`	`DaWorm`	`ask lorddavon he's the one making the english stuff for the c700 units at dynamism so i heard`
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`04:50.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`argh`
`04:50.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`X4.2.1 is screwed up! my screen shows up with weird inverted colors!`
`04:50.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`stupid trident pos card!`
`04:50.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`argh`
`04:51.29`	`noda`	`Fun fun!`
`04:51.35`	`noda`	`Wait... 4.2 worked and 4.2.1 doesn't?`
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`04:52.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea it think so`
`04:52.54`	`noda`	`Sounds very unlikely :)`
`04:53.31`	`zTDT`	`hey all, im trying to install come packages through opera (browser), is there a way for it to download the file instead of displaying it?`
`04:54.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`not that i know of`
`04:55.29`	`zTDT`	`dang....oh well, maybe when i get back on vacation`
`04:57.39`	`LordDavon`	`MasterMind: I am not finding it. I found the 2.4.13 version, but not the 18.`
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`05:05.09`	`rjoseph`	`anyone know where i can get fdisk for OZ?`
`05:05.55`	`rjoseph`	`nm ;)`
`05:09.10`	`Com[Plex]`	`kergoth`
`05:09.12`	`Com[Plex]`	`you around?`
`05:10.47`	`Com[Plex]`	`anyonle know how to make opera work under oz3.0 ?`
`05:11.44`	`kergoth`	`LordDavon: url to the 2.4.13 sources?`
`05:11.47`	`kergoth`	`LordDavon: hey btw :)`
`05:11.49`	`kergoth`	`hey Com[Plex]`
`05:11.53`	`kergoth`	`Com[Plex]: no idea, i've never tried :)`
`05:12.09`	`LordDavon`	`hey kergoth`
`05:12.25`	`LordDavon`	`http://more.sbc.co.jp/sl_j/source/source_dl.htm#source.`
`05:12.31`	`LordDavon`	`http://more.sbc.co.jp/sl_j/source/source_dl.htm#source`
`05:13.52`	`Com[Plex]`	`well my opera package isnt working under 3.1 either.`
`05:13.59`	`LordDavon`	`kergoth: What service does OZ use for ftp? Does it use busybox?`
`05:14.06`	`Com[Plex]`	`whats this business of "preload" that we talked about a while back? "opie -taskbar "`
`05:14.35`	`kergoth`	`LordDavon: server or client?`
`05:14.40`	`LordDavon`	`server`
`05:14.47`	`Com[Plex]`	`lordavon, is that the romimage for the a300? - is it the same as the image for the c700 ?`
`05:15.01`	`kergoth`	`LordDavon: the opie launcher runs the minimal ftp server. same design as qtopia/qpe`
`05:15.15`	`LordDavon`	`It was updated for the C700, but based off of the A300`
`05:15.28`	`LordDavon`	`Sh*t. Thanks.`
`05:16.49`	`kergoth`	`np`
`05:17.14`	`LordDavon`	`kergoth: Is it in the code that it gets kicked off or by the load of the launcher?`
`05:17.55`	`kergoth`	`LordDavon: its in the launcher itself. the so called 'transferserver' .. library/transferserver.{cpp,h} in qtopia or opie cvs`
`05:18.34`	`LordDavon`	`ack! Then I either have to replace the launcher or rebuild it.`
`05:18.56`	`LordDavon`	`I am trying to hack the unit to work with Qtopia Desktop.`
`05:19.29`	`kergoth`	`LordDavon: ahh. qtopia desktop uses two things. one is the qcop bridge in qtopia/opie which runs on port 4243, the second piece is the file transfer server itself on port 4242`
`05:20.52`	`LordDavon`	`Port 4244 is open on the unit. I wonder if I just installed an FTPd and got Qtopia to work with 4244....`
`05:21.39`	`kergoth`	`hmmmm`
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`05:21.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`05:22.41`	`DaWorm`	`kergoth: you getting a c700 too?`
`05:22.49`	`kergoth`	`DaWorm: yeah, a loaner`
`05:23.04`	`DaWorm`	`ahh that's great for the oz project`
`05:23.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i want a loaner!`
`05:23.23`	`LordDavon`	`MasterMind. I can get you one on a discount if you want it.`
`05:23.28`	`DaWorm`	`hmmm`
`05:23.32`	`DaWorm`	`how much is the discount?`
`05:24.07`	`LordDavon`	`DaWorm: Can't say. It is only for people in the project.`
`05:24.18`	`LordDavon`	`TheMasterMind: I dub thee in the project. ;)`
`05:24.27`	`LordDavon`	`poof`
`05:24.48`	`DaWorm`	`ahhh`
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`05:43.03`	`Com[Plex]`	`hiya!`
`05:49.20`	`Baruch_Goldstein`	`http://www.barbiecollectibles.com/showcase/results.asp?keywords=lingerie&x=0&y=0`
`05:49.29`	`Baruch_Goldstein`	`lingerie barbies... i love mattel`
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`05:57.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`LordDavon thanks for the link to the kernelsources`
`05:58.12`	`DaWorm`	`lingerie babies`
`05:58.15`	`DaWorm`	`hehe`
`05:58.20`	`DaWorm`	`err barbies`
`05:58.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`mnn`
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`06:19.12`	`kergoth`	`LordDavon: did that work?`
`06:19.14`	`kergoth`	`LordDavon: ;)`
`06:19.39`	`LordDavon`	`I haven't tried the FTP stuff yet. Trying to see how the A300 connected.`
`06:19.59`	`kergoth`	`ah, cool`
`06:20.55`	`kergoth`	`welp, buildroot can build a a300 kernel, should save time when it comes to putting OZ on it`
`06:21.27`	`LordDavon`	`The A300 has a Samba connection also and Qtopia Desktop connects to it.`
`06:22.00`	`kergoth`	`samba server by default.. thats cool. real convenient for users.`
`06:23.19`	`LordDavon`	`It is a nice touch.`
`06:23.37`	`kergoth`	`indeed. in fact, I should consider that for the next openzaurus release.`
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`06:27.15`	`LordDavon`	`I hate reading these Japanese pages via translators. ACK!`
`06:27.29`	`kergoth`	`agreed`
`06:28.45`	`DaWorm`	`heeh`
`06:43.52`	`Com[Plex]`	`lol!`
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`06:52.12`	`gostrath`	`anyone here?`
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`06:56.40`	`tag`	`openzaurus?`
`06:56.53`	`tag`	`I just gone one I want to make my dock work in linux`
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`07:16.40`	`Com[Plex]`	`hmm`
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`07:46.16`	`Com[Plex]`	`finally got my usb reader working under linux.`
`07:46.35`	`Com[Plex]`	`course, I hadnt really tried till now.. but... at least it didnt take too long.`
`07:47.22`	`Com[Plex]`	`my biggest problem with linux, is that since I dont use it alot, I forget almost all the stuff I learn.`
`07:52.27`	`Com[Plex]`	`hahaahah`
`07:52.35`	`Com[Plex]`	`hows this for freakin random?`
`07:52.35`	`Com[Plex]`	`http://me.256k.net/stfu/NO.gif`
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`09:48.58`	`yesicanabus`	`any one around?`
`09:52.09`	`Com[Plex]`	`hey http://me.256k.net/stfu/NO.gif`
`09:52.27`	`Com[Plex]`	`jk :>`
`09:54.33`	`yesicanabus`	`any one seen the guy who makes openzaurus around lattly?`
`09:54.38`	`Com[Plex]`	`heheh`
`09:54.42`	`Com[Plex]`	`yeah, those guys are usually here.`
`09:54.54`	`Com[Plex]`	`guys = plural`
`09:55.26`	`yesicanabus`	`humm it dosent appear that they are here. and i had a ? for them`
`09:55.37`	`Com[Plex]`	`alas, it Is 5am est. so you might want to just ask`
`09:55.57`	`Com[Plex]`	`if I cant answer it, post your email as well and you might even get a response.`
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`09:56.10`	`Com[Plex]`	`you could also join #openzaurus`
`09:56.28`	`Com[Plex]`	`afk`
`09:57.28`	`yesicanabus`	`yea i was just wanting to check to see if they figured out a way to install from the zaurus ram`
`09:58.45`	`Com[Plex]`	`I think thats a no at this point.`
`09:59.00`	`Com[Plex]`	`you mean like the sharp instalelr where you flash from the cradle, right?`
`09:59.09`	`Com[Plex]`	`yeah, negatory`
`09:59.22`	`yesicanabus`	`no i meen like puting the files on the zaurus ram and then flashing from there`
`10:00.20`	`Com[Plex]`	`basically the same thing. - the sharp rom in the 5500 allows you to upgrade while in the sync cradle. it copies the rom image to ram and flashes from there. - personallly, I think thats probably prety unsafe. lol`
`10:00.26`	`Com[Plex]`	`but what do I know.`
`10:00.47`	`Com[Plex]`	`say, cf cards are ridiculously cheap now. - check newegg, ebay, stuff like that`
`10:01.55`	`yesicanabus`	`yea i know. but i have no money right now so im trying to find an alternit way`
`10:02.38`	`yesicanabus`	`the main guy who works on openz said he could probably do it and that i should check back ever once in a while`
`10:03.43`	`Com[Plex]`	`you mean kergoth ?`
`10:03.50`	`yesicanabus`	`yea`
`10:04.03`	`Com[Plex]`	`bst place to cehck might actually be in #openzaurus`
`10:04.33`	`Com[Plex]`	`you could allways go to walmart, buy one, use it to put oz on it, and then take it back :>`
`10:04.36`	`Twiun`	`and definately more during US-awake times ;-)`
`10:04.50`	`Com[Plex]`	`hehe. US awake times. lol`
`10:04.55`	`Com[Plex]`	`foolish mortal`
`10:04.59`	`Com[Plex]`	`sleep is for the dead`
`10:05.08`	`Twiun`	`I do wish we could do without`
`10:05.16`	`Twiun`	`not enough hours in the day`
`10:05.19`	`Com[Plex]`	`heh. I love to take naps. but sleep. pssh. I hate it`
`10:05.52`	`Com[Plex]`	`twiun, almost done with hancom creator.`
`10:06.02`	`Com[Plex]`	`just proofreading it before testing it out`
`10:06.26`	`Twiun`	`cool ;-)`
`10:06.40`	`yesicanabus`	`well from what i hear im geting a gift certificet to microcenter and they normaly have good prices so maby i can pic up a 64 meg card with that.`
`10:06.43`	`Twiun`	`I'm about halfway done documenting my existing qte/awt code`
`10:07.01`	`Com[Plex]`	`awt ?`
`10:07.08`	`Twiun`	`prepping for a pre-new year source release`
`10:07.16`	`Com[Plex]`	`whats that?`
`10:07.18`	`Com[Plex]`	`I forget`
`10:07.36`	`Twiun`	`awt - abstract windowing toolkit, it's the java binding for doing guis`
`10:07.49`	`Twiun`	`qte/awt is the Qt/E native portion`
`10:07.51`	`Com[Plex]`	`I see... O_o`
`10:08.02`	`Com[Plex]`	`oh yes. I knew I recognised awt`
`10:08.09`	`Twiun`	`aiming for a jeode replacement ;-)`
`10:08.15`	`Com[Plex]`	`cool :>`
`10:08.24`	`Com[Plex]`	`after all that work I did to make it work under oz`
`10:08.29`	`Com[Plex]`	`...`
`10:08.58`	`Twiun`	`hehe, not going to be ready for primetime for a while yet though`
`10:09.01`	`yesicanabus`	`hey could some one do me a favor?`
`10:09.18`	`Com[Plex]`	`depends what it is..`
`10:09.19`	`Twiun`	`Com[Plex]: it's a lot of work`
`10:09.24`	`Com[Plex]`	`and if theres sex involved...`
`10:09.31`	`yesicanabus`	`i just need some one to email hcker2000@hnetinc.com`
`10:09.39`	`yesicanabus`	`i need to see if the mail server is working ok`
`10:10.06`	`Com[Plex]`	`ibot spam hcker2000@hnetinc.com please`
`10:10.07`		`Com[Plex]: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about`
`10:10.07`	`Twiun`	`you should get a hotmail account for that kind of testing ;-)`
`10:10.14`	`Com[Plex]`	`hahaha`
`10:10.24`	`Com[Plex]`	`twiun! I thought your response was from ibot!`
`10:10.30`	`Twiun`	`rofl`
`10:10.44`	`yesicanabus`	`yea i got a hotmail account but im just makeing absolutly sure its working wright`
`10:10.44`	`Com[Plex]`	`I was like "whoa, nice going ibot!... Oh. wait:`
`10:11.05`	`Com[Plex]`	`just a sec`
`10:11.39`	`Com[Plex]`	`sent`
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`10:12.36`	`yesicanabus`	`k`
`10:13.31`	`yesicanabus`	`humm dont think it got here weird`
`10:14.53`	`yesicanabus`	`sent mail is sent to port 25 right?`
`10:15.25`	`Com[Plex]`	`yeah. heheh`
`10:15.46`	`yesicanabus`	`this is kind of weird but ok`
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`10:29.35`	`yesicanabus`	`hey cool it did get hee`
`10:29.36`	`yesicanabus`	`here`
`10:32.30`	`scanline`	`yes I can a bus?`
`10:32.45`	`badl`	`i thought it has something to do with pot?`
`10:33.02`	`scanline`	`badl: only when spelled correctly :)`
`10:33.06`	`yesicanabus`	`well kind of and kind of no. its off the simpsons`
`10:33.15`	`badl`	`ohh`
`10:33.22`	`badl`	`when bart rings up moe?`
`10:33.50`	`yesicanabus`	`no it was from the new ep when homer is a pot head`
`10:34.00`	`badl`	`kewl`
`10:34.42`	`yesicanabus`	`any one here play d&d?`
`10:37.17`	`troffasky`	`yesicanabus: you get that ep off gnutella?`
`10:37.50`	`yesicanabus`	`nope i do have it though`
`10:38.00`	`troffasky`	`is it called "the weed homer"?`
`10:38.28`	`yesicanabus`	`no i record my own simpsons stuff`
`10:38.46`	`yesicanabus`	`but that is probably it`
`10:38.47`	`troffasky`	`6 hrs remaining. lol.`
`10:38.52`	`yesicanabus`	`hehe`
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`11:07.12`	`Com[Plex]`	`hey... anyone here have the 5500 and the 5000d both?`
`11:07.15`	`Com[Plex]`	`at 6am est`
`11:07.17`	`Com[Plex]`	`:>`
`11:07.44`	`Com[Plex]`	`Im wondering if I can put the initrd.bin file from the 5500 onto the 5000d`
`11:07.49`	`troffasky`	`Com[Plex]: you ever sleep?`
`11:07.51`	`Com[Plex]`	`I bet I can..`
`11:08.12`	`Com[Plex]`	`yes. actually, I have narcolepsy, so I fall asleep at random times.`
`11:08.21`	`Com[Plex]`	`right here in my chair... in line at the supermarket.. etc`
`11:08.23`	`badl`	`hahah random times`
`11:08.34`	`badl`	`i would just call the tired`
`11:08.47`	`badl`	`s/the/that/`
`11:09.07`	`BZFlag`	`ibot spam hcker2000@hnetinc.com please`
`11:09.10`		`you should get a hotmail account to spam hcker2000@hnetinc.com please`
`11:09.10`	`Com[Plex]`	`[19:12] <dexter^CF> Com[Plex fell asleep? ;P`
`11:09.10`	`Com[Plex]`	`[19:13] <MrSparkle> he does have sleeping probelsm`
`11:09.10`	`Com[Plex]`	`[19:24] <dexter^CF> you saw the pic ? ;D (http://spreng.bamboosh.com/hard/com/complex_fell_asleep.jpg`
`11:09.34`	`Com[Plex]`	`hey bzflag`
`11:09.46`	`badl`	`hahah nice image Com[Plex]`
`11:10.01`	`Com[Plex]`	`Im wondering, could I put the initrd.bin file from a 5500 only my 5000d?`
`11:10.08`	`Com[Plex]`	`they ahve the same sized rom right?`
`11:10.47`	`troffasky`	`Com[Plex]: that's one fuck of a monitor you've got there`
`11:10.56`	`badl`	`Com[Plex]: how many hours do you normally sleep per day?`
`11:11.06`	`BZFlag`	`is that monitor on you lap?!?`
`11:11.10`	`Com[Plex]`	`haha. yeah. its a viewsonic gs815`
`11:11.23`	`Com[Plex]`	`its 21" short profile`
`11:11.33`	`Com[Plex]`	`its gorgeous. its on an arm`
`11:11.36`	`BZFlag`	`Com[Plex]: don't recall. I think if it has a new kernel, then yes.`
`11:11.48`	`Com[Plex]`	`uh..`
`11:12.16`	`Com[Plex]`	`I think, if I justuse the initrd and not the rest of the crap, collie, zimage, etc`
`11:12.38`	`Com[Plex]`	`it should work. - ahh hell. if it doesnt,. Ill just get sharp to fix it`
`11:12.57`	`BZFlag`	`the default installer would not install it cause the ids don't match, but it would likely work if you can talk something into installing it.`
`11:13.29`	`BZFlag`	`I've never tried. do _not_ install the complete image with the bootloader though. I know those are different. (slightly)`
`11:13.41`	`Com[Plex]`	`yes. thank you. :>`
`11:13.56`	`BZFlag`	`right, just the initrd would be the best test.`
`11:14.06`	`Com[Plex]`	`yeah, should be safe even if it doesnt work`
`11:14.42`	`Com[Plex]`	`now I jsut gota find that OSPACK file, romburst it and Im on my way`
`11:15.29`	`Com[Plex]`	`my ucking Zaurus's power plug is duying. :<`
`11:15.41`	`Com[Plex]`	`the charging light goes otu every time I move it.`
`11:15.42`	`Com[Plex]`	`:<`
`11:21.16`	`Twiun`	`hey BZFlag`
`11:21.29`	`Twiun`	`wanted to talk to me?`
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`11:21.38`	`George-`	`Hello`
`11:22.10`	`Twiun`	`hiya George-`
`11:22.27`	`troffasky`	`can I get a simple beep from a shell script on the zaurus?`
`11:23.02`	`George-`	`troffasky: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp? :)`
`11:23.20`	`troffasky`	`hmmmmm. Maybe not ;)`
`11:25.21`	`George-`	`you cna't use a setCentralWidget on a QLayout can you?`
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`13:04.26`	`*** topic/#zaurus is Sharp 5000d/5500/5600/A300/C700/etc Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ \|\| http://MyZaurus.com/ \|\| OpenZaurus 3.1rc1 now available for testing - #openzaurus \|\| SL-5600 announced \|\| NEW: www.zaurus.com open for business, with SourceForge features!`
`13:16.55`	`George-`	`back`
`13:17.10`	`Com[Plex]`	`hiya`
`13:18.14`	`George-`	`hi Com[Plex]`
`13:18.20`	`George-`	`I went to the post office`
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`13:25.10`	`Dilb_sick`	`hi`
`13:26.19`	`George-`	`hi`
`13:26.21`	`George-`	`what's wrong?`
`13:33.43`	`George-`	`setBackgroundPixmap(QPixmap("/home/george/othello/tiles/tile_black.png"));`
`13:33.48`	`George-`	`is there something wrong with that>`
`13:33.49`	`George-`	`?`
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`13:38.01`	`Com[Plex]`	`beats me`
`13:45.12`	`mark`	`George-: yes, ur not doing any error handling`
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`13:45.38`	`vin`	`hi`
`13:46.06`	`vin`	`has some 1 known something abt the 802.1x (eap-tls ) on SL-5500`
`13:46.25`	`George-`	`depends ;)`
`13:46.44`	`vin`	`George-: ??`
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`13:47.17`	`George-`	`vin: well, what's this "something"?`
`13:47.43`	`vin`	`George-: xsupplicant on SL5500`
`13:47.56`	`vin`	`George-: you know xsupplicant?`
`13:48.12`	`George-`	`no`
`13:48.40`	`vin`	`George-: then how do you implement 1x on 5500`
`13:49.13`	`Com[Plex]`	`ibot oz`
`13:49.15`		`oz is probably see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus`
`13:49.15`	`George-`	`I dunno`
`13:49.16`	`George-`	`I'm stupid`
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`13:56.12`	`mark`	`George-: ping`
`13:57.05`	`George-`	`mark: pong`
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`14:11.54`	`George-`	`;)`
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`14:45.44`	`George-`	`hi ljp_work`
`14:45.54`	`George-`	`ljp_work: what do you do at work? annoy people on irc? :)`
`14:48.15`	`ljp_work`	`ibot: lart George-`
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`14:48.26`	`Piete`	`hey guys`
`14:48.37`	`George-`	`ljp_work: my point exactly :)`
`14:48.53`	`George-`	`ljp_work: do you know about QMouseEvent?`
`14:49.29`	`ljp_work`	`no whats that? my cat might know about that`
`14:49.38`	`George-`	`bah HUMBUG!`
`14:49.40`	`Piete`	`anyone perchance know how to mirror a site with wget?`
`14:49.52`	`Piete`	`the zaurus wget seems a little stripped down :)`
`14:49.53`	`George-`	`Piete: rm -rf /`
`14:50.24`	`ljp_work`	`if(QMouseEvent) { myCat->chases( reallyFastly);}`
`14:50.27`	`George-`	`LOL`
`14:50.38`	`ljp_work`	`george: there's really good docs`
`14:50.52`	`George-`	`ljp_work: I can't understand the ones for QMouseEvent`
`14:50.59`	`George-`	`ljp_work: it looks too cryptic`
`14:51.05`	`ljp_work`	`look at some examples`
`14:51.06`	`Com[Plex]`	`George-: thats not very nice of you to refer every inquiring person to rm -rf`
`14:51.25`	`George-`	`Com[Plex]: hehe`
`14:51.32`	`Piete`	`I know I know, I have to read the docs before I answer,, but I answer questions like this 1000 times a day.. Can't I was one every now and then? :P`
`14:52.01`	`George-`	`Piete: when I say rm -rf /, it means I don't know :)`
`14:52.29`	`Com[Plex]`	`piete: basically just wget -a <for archive> htttp://website.blah.com/path/`
`14:52.44`	`Piete`	`thanks :)`
`14:53.20`	`Piete`	`it just to late to read man pages now :) so I want to mirror some BOFH's for some light reading :)`
`14:53.26`	`Com[Plex]`	`if you do wget -h it will show you a very quick list of other switches you can use.`
`14:53.46`	`Com[Plex]`	`yeah, its getting late here too. 10am,.`
`14:54.24`	`Piete`	`lol`
`14:55.00`	`Com[Plex]`	`I was getting tired. but I got another wind so Im up still.'`
`14:56.35`	`Piete`	`I'm making certificates for kids at a local school.. OpenOffice's mail merge does a decent job.. its just bloody irritating that the DB keeps getting corrupted :/`
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`14:58.54`	`Piete`	`I went ahead and read the man page anyway :)`
`14:59.06`	`Piete`	`wget -m -l 1 <url> works good :D`
`15:00.56`	`Piete`	`Nite guys :) yawn`
`15:02.06`	`George-`	`grrr`
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`15:23.15`	`kergoth`	`morning`
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`15:26.14`	`George-`	`back`
`15:35.06`	`Twiun`	`hiya`
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`15:36.22`	`George-`	`hi prpplague`
`15:37.03`	`prpplague`	`George-: lo`
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`15:55.58`	`angry`	`is Kaffe any good for desktop use?`
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`16:15.41`	`George-`	`wb ljp_work`
`16:16.28`	`ljp_work`	`blah`
`16:16.34`	`George-`	`bleh`
`16:16.37`	`George-`	`bloh`
`16:16.38`	`George-`	`blih`
`16:16.44`	`George-`	`bluh`
`16:17.06`	`ljp_work`	`dont you have homework to be working on, george?`
`16:18.23`	`George-`	`ljp_work: yeh, I do`
`16:18.29`	`George-`	`ljp_work: BUt I'm not doing it`
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`16:23.51`	`George-`	`bloody application`
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`16:29.25`	`warmi`	`hi`
`16:30.07`	`asys3`	`hi warmi`
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`16:31.35`	`George-`	`warmi: hey`
`16:32.17`	`warmi`	`George: you got your tree up yet ?`
`16:35.08`	`George-`	`warmi: tree?`
`16:35.14`	`George-`	`warmi: like CVS tree or something? =P`
`16:35.28`	`warmi`	`uh ..`
`16:35.44`	`George-`	`Yes, I have my xmas tree up ;)`
`16:35.50`	`warmi`	`George: no ,the one with lights and stuff`
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`16:36.23`	`George-`	`kergoth: ;)`
`16:36.45`	`kergoth`	`we need pingizauru in a santa suit`
`16:36.49`	`kergoth`	`and put it on the site`
`16:37.04`	`kergoth`	`be like 'watch for the flames kids'`
`16:37.07`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`16:37.12`	`warmi`	`hah .. recently in US there was that add campaing "what would Jesus drive" or something like that`
`16:37.25`	`warmi`	`it was directed against people driving big ass SUVs and such`
`16:38.05`	`warmi`	`some paper recently got in trouble for this cartoon : http://www.cair-net.org/images/mohammeddrive.gif`
`16:39.41`	`warmi`	`kergoth: are you working today ?`
`16:39.47`	`kergoth`	`warmi: yeah`
`16:39.50`	`kergoth`	`not a damn thing to do either`
`16:39.54`	`warmi`	`seems like I am the only one here in Tribune tower ..`
`16:40.05`	`kergoth`	`yeah its like that here too. only a few people in toay`
`16:40.07`	`kergoth`	`todya`
`16:40.09`	`warmi`	`heh`
`16:40.10`	`kergoth`	`todAY`
`16:40.11`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`16:40.34`	`George-`	`kergoth: IT'S MONDAY`
`16:40.43`	`kergoth`	`George-: dont remind me`
`16:41.04`	`warmi`	`well, I get to have next 3 days off`
`16:41.04`	`George-`	`lol`
`16:41.08`	`warmi`	`that's not bad overall`
`16:41.19`	`kergoth`	`nice`
`16:42.12`	`George-`	`i have the next 2 weeks`
`16:42.20`	`warmi`	`George-: yeah ..yeah, shut up`
`16:42.29`	`George-`	`lol`
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`16:43.01`	`warmi`	`but then again, you have to beg your mama for cash .. and I don't ..`
`16:43.17`	`warmi`	`well, I have to "talk" to my wife though if I want to spend money on PDAs or similar stuff`
`16:43.27`	`warmi`	`so I guess, some things never change`
`16:45.19`	`George-`	`warmi: I'd prefer to be working than at school`
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`16:46.53`	`warmi`	`yeah`
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`17:10.24`	`George-`	`warmi: do you know a lot about QMouseEvent?`
`17:15.55`	`mark`	`hi warmi`
`17:16.19`	`mark`	`George-: how much is there to know about it? :)`
`17:17.59`	`George-`	`mark: I can't get the bloody thing to fucking work`
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`17:22.17`	`warmi`	`George-: what is your problem ?`
`17:23.58`	`George-`	`warmi: Well, I have a signal emitted with two arguments, x and y, which are the x,y coordinates of the mouse cursor at the time the signal is emitted (whenever the mouse button is pressed)`
`17:24.12`	`George-`	`warmi: I have checked that the slot is called, using qWarning`
`17:24.15`	`George-`	`warmi: and that all works`
`17:24.25`	`George-`	`warmi: But it's refusing to make a widget within the slot`
`17:24.56`	`warmi`	`uh .. I am not sure you can create widgets within slots ... I would have to check that one - never done it`
`17:25.14`	`George-`	`warmi: you should be able to, I don't think I've ever had problems`
`17:25.15`	`warmi`	`what do you mean "refusing" ?`
`17:25.31`	`warmi`	`like you are getting warning or somethig ?`
`17:25.31`	`George-`	`warmi: well, no error messages are spewed out, but I don't see any widgets appearing :)`
`17:26.21`	`George-`	`void Board::test(int a, int b)`
`17:26.21`	`George-`	`{`
`17:26.21`	`George-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:26.21`	`George-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:26.21`	`George-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:26.21`	`George-`	`}`
`17:26.27`	`George-`	`That's the current attempt at a slot`
`17:26.48`	`warmi`	`QList is not a widget`
`17:27.11`	`warmi`	`ah new Tile is a widget`
`17:27.25`	`warmi`	`what is that tile derived from ?`
`17:27.31`	`warmi`	`which Qt Widget ?`
`17:27.57`	`George-`	`QLabel`
`17:28.22`	`George-`	`OK I've now just created a new function`
`17:28.28`	`George-`	`which the slot calls to create the widget`
`17:28.32`	`George-`	`just to test that statement`
`17:28.46`	`George-`	`Still, nothing happens`
`17:29.06`	`warmi`	`if you use the same code in constructor , does the widget show up ?`
`17:29.10`	`George-`	`yes`
`17:29.17`	`George-`	`well, lemme check again`
`17:30.35`	`George-`	`OK, it works in the constructor`
`17:31.14`	`warmi`	`well, I am not sure why - it should show up`
`17:31.43`	`warmi`	`this slot is called in response to what ?`
`17:31.44`	`George-`	`That's what I thought`
`17:31.54`	`George-`	`void Board::mousePressEvent(QMouseEvent *e)`
`17:31.54`	`George-`	`{`
`17:31.54`	`George-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:31.54`	`George-`	`}`
`17:32.02`	`George-`	`the slot is definitely called`
`17:32.08`	`George-`	`And the arguments are definitely passed`
`17:32.11`	`George-`	`I've checked all that`
`17:32.38`	`warmi`	`well, could it be that your setGeometry places these widget in an invisible spot ?`
`17:32.45`	`warmi`	`or something covered with some other widget ?`
`17:32.53`	`George-`	`I've now changed the arguments to 100,100,25,25`
`17:33.00`	`George-`	`which works perfectly in the contructor`
`17:33.07`	`George-`	`but in the slot it still refuses to work`
`17:33.09`	`warmi`	`I mean, if you make it like 200x200 and change background colot to red, you still see nothing ?`
`17:33.15`	`George-`	`warmi: correct`
`17:33.31`	`kergoth`	`George-: your code is possessed.`
`17:33.32`	`warmi`	`well, I can't think of anything at the moment`
`17:33.53`	`George-`	`kergoth: thanks :)`
`17:34.08`	`warmi`	`try this ..`
`17:34.34`	`warmi`	`put qDEbug inside of painter event of resize event of your Tile widget`
`17:34.44`	`warmi`	`create only one of these , in that slot`
`17:34.46`	`George-`	`painter event?`
`17:34.54`	`warmi`	`and see if your qDEbug gets called`
`17:35.05`	`George-`	`erm..`
`17:35.07`	`warmi`	`like QWidget::resizeEvent() or QWidget::paintEvent()`
`17:35.10`	`George-`	`I don't know what you are talking abut`
`17:36.04`	`warmi`	`every widget has protected methods`
`17:36.12`	`warmi`	`which are responsible for drawing its contents etc ..`
`17:36.24`	`George-`	`OK`
`17:36.26`	`George-`	`I'm doing it`
`17:36.32`	`George-`	`Yeh, I realised what you meant`
`17:36.41`	`warmi`	`in your case it would be like Tile::resizeEvent( QResizeEvent *)`
`17:36.52`	`warmi`	`override that method and stick qDebug() in there ..`
`17:37.04`	`George-`	`I've shoved it in paintEvent`
`17:37.04`	`warmi`	`at the end of the method call QWidget::resizeEvent( e);`
`17:37.15`	`warmi`	`so it actually does some work in the original class`
`17:37.29`	`warmi`	`this will tell you if you widget is being processed by Qt event subsystem`
`17:37.37`	`George-`	`uhm`
`17:37.38`	`tux_mike`	`mmm. bacon and french bred`
`17:37.41`	`George-`	`what are you talking about?`
`17:37.56`	`George-`	`OK, I'll change it to resize event`
`17:38.04`	`warmi`	`George: you said your Tile widgets derived from QLabel don't show up on the screen`
`17:38.23`	`warmi`	`I just proposed that you override one of the event based methods on Tile widget and see if it gets called`
`17:38.33`	`George-`	`warmi: yes`
`17:38.53`	`George-`	`warmi: so where do I call QWidget::resizeEvent(e)?`
`17:38.59`	`George-`	`warmi: which method`
`17:39.38`	`warmi`	`you don't call it -- ever time you create new widget , before it is being positioned on the screen , the Qt library will call that method`
`17:39.52`	`warmi`	`think of it that way .. if you call setGeometry(..)`
`17:39.52`	`George-`	`[17:41:30] <warmi> at the end of the method call QWidget::resizeEvent( e);`
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`17:40.07`	`warmi`	`your QWidget::resizeEvent(..) method will be called`
`17:40.07`	`George-`	`ok`
`17:40.34`	`George-`	`OK, the qDebug has been outputted to the tty`
`17:40.38`	`George-`	`but no widget appears`
`17:40.44`	`George-`	`and no widget has ever appeared`
`17:40.45`	`George-`	`lol`
`17:40.46`	`warmi`	`well, personally, I am sure it will call it`
`17:40.49`	`warmi`	`ah yeah`
`17:41.04`	`warmi`	`can you send me the code for that class ?`
`17:41.13`	`George-`	`hang on`
`17:49.59`	`warmi`	`uh ,, poor George ..`
`17:50.11`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`17:50.19`	`warmi`	`killed by the server while pasting code in private window`
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`17:50.49`	`warmi`	`you got killed ?`
`17:50.59`	`warmi`	`told you to send me an email :-)`
`17:51.16`	`George-`	`hah`
`17:51.16`	`George-`	`ok`
`17:51.20`	`George-`	`address?`
`17:51.20`	`tux_mike`	`lol`
`17:51.26`	`warmi`	`wrawdanik@tribune.com`
`17:51.30`	`sig`	`anyone know where i can get some macosx like icons for unix?`
`17:51.54`	`tux_mike`	`poke around on the kde theme websites`
`17:52.00`	`sig`	`you got a url?`
`17:52.15`	`tux_mike`	`start at www.kde.org and go from there`
`17:52.15`	`George-`	`sent`
`17:52.21`	`George-`	`sig: www.kde-look.org`
`17:52.35`	`sig`	`k`
`17:53.41`	`warmi`	`uh ... that crappy MS Exchange server takes a while to process external emails`
`17:54.24`	`warmi`	`George-: sorry, send it again to wrawdanik@warmi.net`
`17:54.43`	`warmi`	`it will be faster then waiting for that corporate email crap`
`17:54.54`	`George-`	`sent`
`17:55.49`	`warmi`	`uh ,, I didn't get anything there either`
`17:56.06`	`warmi`	`perhaps it is your smtp outgoing gateway that is lagging or something`
`17:56.10`	`George-`	`maybe`
`17:56.17`	`George-`	`i doubt it`
`17:56.17`	`George-`	`;)`
`17:56.28`	`warmi`	`George-: is this othello game you are working on ?`
`17:56.37`	`George-`	`yes`
`17:56.55`	`warmi`	`you hope to have it done before you are back at school ?`
`17:57.03`	`George-`	`maybe ;)`
`17:57.14`	`George-`	`i doubt it`
`17:57.35`	`warmi`	`well, I don't know what the hell is wrong with the email system but I didn't get anything yet`
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`17:58.34`	`warmi`	`like a frigging black hole`
`17:58.50`	`tux_mike`	`heh`
`17:58.59`	`warmi`	`hehe`
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`17:59.12`	`George-`	`hehehe`
`17:59.19`	`warmi`	`you need to paste like at most 5 lines at a time`
`17:59.25`	`tux_mike`	`you really need to stop that`
`17:59.26`	`warmi`	`got to work around that silly irc server`
`17:59.46`	`warmi`	`what is your email George ?`
`17:59.52`	`warmi`	`I wanna send something, see if it gets there`
`17:59.56`	`George-`	`georsoc@attglobal.net`
`18:01.16`	`George-`	`warmi: got it`
`18:01.40`	`warmi`	`well, but I didn't get anything`
`18:01.44`	`George-`	`hang on`
`18:02.07`	`George-`	`warmi: I'll upload it :)`
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`18:02.29`	`kergoth`	`hey JasonNJ`
`18:02.35`	`JasonNJ`	`sup.`
`18:02.43`	`kergoth`	`nada`
`18:02.56`	`warmi`	`yeah, do something for it looks like email doesn't work today`
`18:03.19`	`JasonNJ`	`I cant beleive they made me come in today`
`18:03.23`	`JasonNJ`	`there is NOBODY here.`
`18:03.27`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`18:03.28`	`kergoth`	`same here`
`18:03.32`	`kergoth`	`empty building, no work`
`18:03.33`	`kergoth`	`so i'm coding`
`18:03.39`	`warmi`	`George-: did you get my other test email ( the one from wrawdanik@warmi.net ) ?`
`18:03.42`	`JasonNJ`	`I'm surfing`
`18:04.01`	`warmi`	`JasonNJ: same here ... empty halls .. it is almost scary`
`18:04.07`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: 2.4.19 has a working completely rewritten keyboard driver, minus the keymap. usb networking works great as well, and I'm testing the battery status stuff now`
`18:04.13`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: next comes pcmcia`
`18:04.19`	`JasonNJ`	`that should be cool`
`18:04.26`	`kergoth`	`not much left to be done really`
`18:04.28`	`carsten`	`kergoth: I am atm flashing my Zaurus with rc1 :)`
`18:04.31`	`JasonNJ`	`2.4.19 has a ton of improvements`
`18:04.31`	`kergoth`	`cept the audio drivers`
`18:04.34`	`kergoth`	`yep, it does`
`18:04.37`	`kergoth`	`dood, its nice doing top`
`18:04.44`	`kergoth`	`and not seeing kapm-idled`
`18:04.52`	`kergoth`	`my loadavg is 0.0 0.0 0.0`
`18:04.53`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`18:05.12`	`JasonNJ`	`I am sure opie is more responsive too`
`18:05.49`	`JasonNJ`	`I am sure the familiar folks will be happy so they can package a GPE system for the Z`
`18:05.49`	`kergoth`	`we can load up the preemptive patch too, which the ipaq folks say improves opie responsiveness a fair bit`
`18:08.24`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: buildroot builds a a300 kernel now`
`18:08.34`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: I'll tweak the base packages and send tim something he can test on it`
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`18:08.44`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`18:09.51`	`JasonNJ`	`nifty`
`18:10.51`	`JasonNJ`	`String up the lights and light up the tree`
`18:10.51`	`JasonNJ`	`We're gonna make some revelry!`
`18:10.51`	`JasonNJ`	`Spirits are high so I can tell`
`18:10.51`	`JasonNJ`	`It's Christmas time in Hell`
`18:11.00`	`kergoth`	`if we can get that damn c700 source we'll have a decent gui on it`
`18:11.02`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`18:11.28`	`JasonNJ`	`kergoth: formally request it`
`18:11.47`	`JasonNJ`	`now that the C700 has been released you can actually ask for it and they have to give it to you`
`18:11.59`	`treke\|laptop`	`they dont have to until he buys one :)`
`18:12.01`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: yeah, i know. gpl and all. lorddavon mentioned that they aleady did, but he couldnt find the url. whats the appropriate contact point for that?`
`18:12.07`	`kergoth`	`treke\|laptop: good point`
`18:12.17`	`treke\|laptop`	`now big boss on the other hand...`
`18:12.36`	`JasonNJ`	`theres an a300 developer site`
`18:12.40`	`kergoth`	`treke\|laptop: dynamism has units, and i'm pretty sure they requested the source.. I'll follow up with them`
`18:12.51`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: i know, i sucked it all down w/ wget last night`
`18:12.53`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: heh`
`18:13.56`	`JasonNJ`	`http://more.sbc.co.jp/sl_j/sl_top.asp`
`18:14.07`	`JasonNJ`	`thats got source on it but I dont know how recent`
`18:14.16`	`kergoth`	`yup`
`18:14.17`	`kergoth`	`i got it`
`18:14.21`	`kergoth`	`in fact, i swiped the usbd sources from it`
`18:14.27`	`kergoth`	`for the 2.4.19 kernel for the 5x00`
`18:14.28`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`18:14.42`	`kergoth`	`since they were more recent than the sources on oss.lineo.com`
`18:16.27`	`Twiun`	`rehi`
`18:16.36`	`JasonNJ`	`sup twiun.`
`18:16.45`	`JasonNJ`	`hey did you ever hook up with that kaffee guy?`
`18:16.50`	`JasonNJ`	`he poked his head in here a few times`
`18:16.52`	`Twiun`	`jserv?`
`18:16.54`	`JasonNJ`	`yeah`
`18:17.12`	`Twiun`	`replied to his email, seems really enthusiastic`
`18:17.33`	`Twiun`	`shame he's thinking of going the wonka way though - we need a kaffe maintainer`
`18:17.35`	`JasonNJ`	`yeah, I mean if we can get kaffee working well, and wonka.. that gives us two JVM's`
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`18:17.52`	`Twiun`	`absolutely`
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`18:18.20`	`Twiun`	`and I'm refactoring like crazy atm to try to make a crossport of my qte/awt work to kaffe easy`
`18:18.31`	`Twiun`	`as well as seriously documenting stuff`
`18:18.44`	`JasonNJ`	`I thought he already got Qt working:?`
`18:19.11`	`George-`	`warmi: got both mails`
`18:19.15`	`Twiun`	`yeah but it doesn't work for every app (kaffe's fault) and it won't look identical to jeode`
`18:19.20`	`JasonNJ`	`ah`
`18:19.25`	`JasonNJ`	`well identical who cares.`
`18:19.38`	`Twiun`	`that's because kaffe doesn't use Qt components, it draws its own`
`18:19.53`	`Twiun`	`and it kaffe can't follow theme changes in qtopia`
`18:19.58`	`Twiun`	`which is a real problem`
`18:20.18`	`JasonNJ`	`apps coded for jeode wont necessarily execute without modification for kaffee right?`
`18:20.33`	`JasonNJ`	`wonka is much closer to real java in that respect?`
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`18:20.49`	`Twiun`	`you're almost there ;-)`
`18:21.02`	`Twiun`	`both kaffe and wonka are within 95% of the java spec`
`18:21.02`	`JasonNJ`	`this java cmpatability stuff throws my brain into a loop`
`18:21.21`	`JasonNJ`	`yeah but WHICH java spec`
`18:21.36`	`Twiun`	`the 1.1 spec - someone's got a tool to test this`
`18:21.40`	`Twiun`	`lemme get the link`
`18:21.43`	`warmi`	`George-: you still there ?`
`18:21.44`	`Twiun`	`he's got nice graphs`
`18:22.06`	`JasonNJ`	`at some point we are gonna have to write some kind of a batch test script for java apps for the Z and compatible platforms`
`18:22.28`	`JasonNJ`	`that or figure out where the commond ground is for jeode, kaffee and wonka`
`18:22.37`	`Twiun`	`no need to really, this program can do it for us`
`18:22.39`	`JasonNJ`	`and I am sure Spiderman will also complicate things if it ever comes out`
`18:22.47`	`Twiun`	`http://rainbow.netreach.net/~sballard/japi/`
`18:22.57`	`Twiun`	`kaffe and wonka already do automated testing`
`18:23.11`	`Twiun`	`we just need to wire (or get them to do it) jeode into it`
`18:23.34`	`Twiun`	`atm, just look at the jdk1.1 tests`
`18:23.41`	`Twiun`	`the rest aren't useful for now`
`18:24.12`	`Twiun`	`Jeode's common ground is supposed to be java 1.1`
`18:24.20`	`JasonNJ`	`right so now we just need to compare wonka and kaffee agains jeode`
`18:24.26`	`JasonNJ`	`right SUPPOSED`
`18:24.31`	`Twiun`	`exactly`
`18:24.48`	`JasonNJ`	`thats the word I have problems with, SUPPOSED`
`18:24.50`	`JasonNJ`	`:)`
`18:24.55`	`Twiun`	`I've got it on my todo list for the first week of jan`
`18:25.26`	`Twiun`	`with that, we'll have hard facts to follow`
`18:25.27`	`prpplague`	`JasonNJ: any suggestions on the best place to order zaurus accessories, i.e. a second cradle?`
`18:25.46`	`JasonNJ`	`sharpplace.com`
`18:26.41`	`mark`	`George-: fixed?`
`18:27.19`	`Twiun`	`JasonNJ: btw, any idea what BZ wanted to talk to me about whilst I was away?`
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`18:31.45`	`Twiun`	`and you're right about spiderman - not to speak of j9 which I'm sure will also muddy the waters`
`18:33.01`	`dep`	`spiderman?`
`18:33.15`	`Twiun`	`Sun's j2me implementation`
`18:33.21`	`sig`	`can i test a dcc on someone?`
`18:33.22`	`Twiun`	`not the movie ;-)`
`18:33.28`	`sig`	`to see if someone can accept it`
`18:33.32`	`Twiun`	`sure`
`18:33.37`	`Twiun`	`blast away`
`18:33.56`	`sig`	`--- Offering macicons.jpg to Twiun`
`18:34.05`	`Twiun`	`hmm... fails automagically`
`18:34.31`	`sig`	`hmm`
`18:34.32`	`sig`	`ok`
`18:34.42`	`Twiun`	`DCC RECV connect attempt to sig failed (err=Connection refused).`
`18:35.00`	`sig`	`my router`
`18:35.13`	`JasonNJ`	`man everyone complaining about all sorts of bullshit on Zaurus.com`
`18:35.16`	`JasonNJ`	`what a bunch of babies`
`18:35.46`	`Twiun`	`it's as if the world's ended for them... don't they know it's christmas?`
`18:36.41`	`JasonNJ`	`I have people working on the damn zauruszone topic imports.. this database shit isnt trivial`
`18:38.05`	`Twiun`	`might want to put up a sticky post with known issues and the fact that "yes we're working on it" ;-)`
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`18:38.14`	`Twiun`	`stop their bitching`
`18:38.57`	`Neo\|Work`	`JasonNJ: morning`
`18:39.16`	`Twiun`	`Oh and I chatted on #java about Java webstart under java 1.1.... you should have seen the people cracking up`
`18:39.21`	`Twiun`	`definite no go`
`18:39.22`	`sig`	`Twiun: can i try dcc again?`
`18:39.26`	`Twiun`	`sure`
`18:39.41`	`Twiun`	`same result`
`18:39.44`	`sig`	`damnit`
`18:39.45`	`sig`	`ok`
`18:39.46`	`Twiun`	`lol`
`18:40.50`	`George-`	`I'm so stupid`
`18:40.53`	`George-`	`I forgot to call show()`
`18:41.08`	`Twiun`	`lol`
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`18:41.25`	`kergoth`	`haha`
`18:41.27`	`kergoth`	`~lart George-`
`18:41.39`	`Twiun`	`I do x.setVisible(true)... and let the binding do the rest ;-)`
`18:41.40`	`George-`	`kergoth: too late, I'm already dead`
`18:41.44`	`sig`	`Twiun: ok now again?`
`18:41.47`	`Twiun`	`go`
`18:41.56`	`sig`	`?`
`18:42.07`	`Twiun`	`same result`
`18:42.13`	`sig`	`ok, one more thing to try, brb`
`18:42.25`	`George-`	`QPainter::begin: Painter is already active.`
`18:42.25`	`George-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:42.27`	`George-`	`???`
`18:42.33`	`mark`	`George-: as it says`
`18:42.41`	`George-`	`;)`
`18:43.06`	`mark`	`George-: what?`
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`18:43.50`	`warmi`	`George-: when you create painter with QPainter bla(this)`
`18:43.55`	`warmi`	`then this already calls begin`
`18:44.03`	`warmi`	`so don't call begin() again`
`18:44.09`	`sig`	`Twiun: ok last time`
`18:44.33`	`warmi`	`George-: http://www.warmi.net/docs/qt_2_3_2/qpainter.html#ef30ce`
`18:45.43`	`George-`	`warmi: oic`
`18:45.49`	`Twiun`	`sig: no go... think it's a problem on my end?`
`18:46.06`	`sig`	`maybe, ?`
`18:46.08`	`sig`	`bbl`
`18:52.06`	`tux_mike`	`ugh. almost time to fight my way in line at the polish food store to get some sausage`
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`18:56.13`	`mark`	`damn. MS are gonna buy Macromedia. There goes the linux flash client`
`18:56.35`	`treke\|laptop`	`gee. what a loss`
`18:56.42`	`mark`	`+ any chance of dreamweaver`
`18:57.28`	`Twiun`	`M$ Fla$h... gah, what a nightmare`
`18:57.37`	`Twiun`	`they'll mutilate it`
`19:00.18`	`warmi`	`uh George: hehe ... I just got your email at work`
`19:00.34`	`warmi`	`looks like MS Exchange takes at least .5 h to pass something thru`
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`19:22.49`	`George-`	`warmi: LOL`
`19:23.09`	`George-`	`warmi: actually, about 50 minutes ;)`
`19:25.37`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: formal request for the c700 sources going out shortly.`
`19:26.17`	`George-`	`kergoth: what for?`
`19:26.53`	`kergoth`	`George-: OZ support.`
`19:27.08`	`kergoth`	`George-: I want OZ on the a300, c700, and the japanese version of the 5600, whatever its model was again`
`19:28.53`	`George-`	`kergoth: are you sure? you'll collapse of overworking`
`19:29.35`	`warmi`	`George-: but I think it is on your end .. cause it took just as long for that email to reach my home mail server`
`19:29.44`	`warmi`	`which is Qmail running on Linux`
`19:29.56`	`warmi`	`so I don;t think it is MS Exchange problem`
`19:30.06`	`George-`	`warmi: I dunno`
`19:30.19`	`George-`	`warmi: I'm using the ntlWorld smtp server`
`19:30.29`	`warmi`	`send an email to an account on yahoo.com and see how long it takes`
`19:30.43`	`Neo\|Work`	`hmm`
`19:30.55`	`George-`	`forget it`
`19:30.59`	`George-`	`I have troubles`
`19:31.00`	`George-`	`;)`
`19:31.32`	`warmi`	`Neo\|Work: I meant to ask you that one ..`
`19:31.46`	`warmi`	`do you have any of your software localized for Japanese market ?`
`19:31.53`	`warmi`	`and if you do , does it sell well ?`
`19:31.55`	`George-`	`WTF??`
`19:32.47`	`George-`	`drawRect is drawing horizontal lines with 2 pixel thickness and vertical with 3 pixel thickness`
`19:33.20`	`mark`	`warmi: i need to know the answer to that one too. Although, some Korean company want me to pay a $10,000 license fee to license their game to port then sell for the Z`
`19:33.33`	`warmi`	`well, I am sure it is doing exactly what you told it to do ..`
`19:33.47`	`kergoth`	`George-: not much work is involved`
`19:33.56`	`warmi`	`George-: make sure it is not your code that draws stuff multiple times etc ..`
`19:34.12`	`kergoth`	`George-: sharp did the linux kernel sources already, just a couple patches there.. and as far as the base system is concerned, just a change to the optimization, and a couple base tweaks, and i'm done`
`19:34.34`	`warmi`	`mark: no chance in hell .`
`19:34.36`	`George-`	`kergoth: ok ok ;)`
`19:34.39`	`Twiun`	`mark: seems a bit steep`
`19:35.05`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: yes, Bust'em has Japanese. No it has sold like 5 copies`
`19:35.06`	`Neo\|Work`	`total`
`19:35.08`	`mark`	`warmi: i know :)`
`19:35.28`	`Neo\|Work`	`but then again, that isn't THAT much different from total Bust'em sales, really. :P`
`19:35.52`	`Neo\|Work`	`mark: $10000? lol. :P`
`19:35.52`	`mark`	`Neo\|Work: your honesty is refreshing :)`
`19:35.57`	`mark`	`Neo\|Work: tell me about it`
`19:35.57`	`treke\|laptop`	`bustem is kinda cool`
`19:36.12`	`Twiun`	`I liked my purchase ;-)`
`19:36.48`	`Neo\|Work`	`counting totals, excluding Forest Fire, there's only 2 games with > 100 sales`
`19:37.02`	`kergoth`	`bustem is great, but so action packed i'm not always in the mood for it`
`19:37.05`	`Neo\|Work`	`I think (I'm looking at Handango only so I'm not sure what paypal sales are)`
`19:37.07`	`kergoth`	`glad i bought it hto`
`19:37.08`	`kergoth`	`tho`
`19:37.40`	`Neo\|Work`	`just to give you an idea of the size of the marker`
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`19:37.58`	`mark`	`'tiny'`
`19:38.23`	`Neo\|Work`	`indeed`
`19:38.32`	`BaTfInK`	`Hi Guyz, wow so many Z users`
`19:38.43`	`Neo\|Work`	`and it also proves that if you want to make money either don't concentrate on the Zaurus or make applications rather than games`
`19:39.09`	`warmi`	`Neo\|Work: pocketPC is a bit better but not much ..`
`19:39.14`	`treke\|laptop`	`apps must be selling rather well for tkc`
`19:39.22`	`treke\|laptop`	`they seem to be making a big push in the z market`
`19:39.26`	`warmi`	`basically you have like 3-4 games with huge sales and then the rest with 100-200 sales`
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`19:39.53`	`BaTfInK`	`wondered if any1 can help? Got 5500 with OZ and trying to change network IP address under OPIE. Problem is doesn't change, even with a reboot. Any1 help?`
`19:40.00`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: well, puzzle games don't sell well in general, regardless of platform`
`19:40.11`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: try editing /etc/network/interfaces manually`
`19:40.14`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: what OZ version?`
`19:40.16`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: games like the ones I have, (Strategic Assault and Interstellar Flames comes to mind) sell very well`
`19:40.19`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: also, /join #openzaurus`
`19:40.33`	`BaTfInK`	`kergoth: 3, just downloaded`
`19:40.40`	`Neo\|Work`	`and one of the main potentials of PocketPC is OEM`
`19:40.41`	`BaTfInK`	`kergoth: will do my friend`
`19:40.48`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: 3.0 or 3.1rc1?`
`19:40.59`	`Neo\|Work`	`get a good deal with say HP and you can be very happy for a while...`
`19:41.03`	`BaTfInK`	`kergoth: believe just 3.0`
`19:41.05`	`warmi`	`Neo\|Work: not really, depends on game, reviews etc .. say Bejeveled sells quite well`
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`19:41.28`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: k. i'd recommend grabbing the opie-networksetup package from the testing or unstable feeds.`
`19:41.29`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: bejeweled and a few other puzzle games are exceptions`
`19:41.48`	`Neo\|Work`	`Bejeweled/Diamond Mine has given PopCap games millions of dollars`
`19:41.54`	`Neo\|Work`	`not normal for a game as that`
`19:42.16`	`BaTfInK`	`kergoth: will have a look, is the stable one prone to probs?`
`19:42.45`	`Neo\|Work`	`I should note that of the games I have, many are very good PPC sellers`
`19:42.45`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: has known bugs`
`19:42.57`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: in fact, the release candidate is actually more stable than the last release`
`19:43.00`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: lol`
`19:43.14`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: however, in GENERAL puzzles don't sell`
`19:43.15`	`BaTfInK`	`kergoth: one more thing is how do I reset the eth0 without rebooting after editing interfaces?`
`19:43.28`	`Neo\|Work`	`look at Handango top sellers list`
`19:43.29`	`BaTfInK`	`kergoth: lol, mad`
`19:43.47`	`warmi`	`Neo\|Work: well, your sales on the Zaurus weren't all that well ...`
`19:43.48`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: for a CF card?`
`19:43.53`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: just eject and reinsert the card`
`19:44.04`	`warmi`	`I guess Z market is just bad`
`19:44.05`	`warmi`	`:-)`
`19:44.18`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: the two best selling games I have are IF and SA`
`19:44.24`	`Neo\|Work`	`and yes, the Z market is just bad`
`19:44.43`	`BaTfInK`	`kergoth: eh? when editing the interfaces files manually how do you activate those changes without rebooting?`
`19:44.57`	`warmi`	`well, somehow theKOmpany is making living off that market`
`19:45.15`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: not listening?`
`19:45.18`	`Neo\|Work`	`but those two titles have sold almost 500 copies`
`19:45.18`	`sjohnson`	`BaTfInK: ifdown <if> \| ifup <if>`
`19:45.22`	`warmi`	`on the other hand, they emply people from Russia and other places where $10 per hour would be a great rate`
`19:45.25`	`sjohnson`	`BaTfInK: er, ifdown <if> ; ifup <if>`
`19:45.29`	`Neo\|Work`	`considering the size of the Zaurus market, that's not bad`
`19:45.30`	`kergoth`	`sjohnson: thanks`
`19:45.38`	`kergoth`	`sjohnson: i still think we need ifrestart or something ;)`
`19:45.52`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: and as I said, yes, applications sell better`
`19:46.01`	`George-`	`argh`
`19:46.09`	`BaTfInK`	`cheers guys, plz excuse dumb ass questions. If you don't ask u dont know :)`
`19:46.14`	`George-`	`Qt isn't decoding my pictures properly`
`19:46.27`	`warmi`	`Neo\|Work: true . but considering the cut you have to give to the original authors and handango fee .. there is no chance one could make living releasing software for the Zaurus`
`19:46.31`	`George-`	`It's putting an extra 1 pixel around the picture's right and bottom sides`
`19:46.32`	`George-`	`grrr`
`19:46.32`	`sjohnson`	`kergoth: doesn't seem like it would be needed all that often`
`19:46.33`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: right. no problem. and remember to check the faq on openzaurus.org too. not sure if that one was in there or not`
`19:46.40`	`warmi`	`and I have no clue how theKompany is pulling it off`
`19:46.55`	`warmi`	`perhpas their desktop market is basically where they make money`
`19:46.56`	`kergoth`	`sjohnson: i know, but every time it is, as a lazy bastard, i wish it didnt take as many keystrokes`
`19:46.59`	`kergoth`	`sjohnson: hehe`
`19:47.12`	`BaTfInK`	`kergoth: many thanx my friend`
`19:47.13`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: which is pretty much what I said earlier yes`
`19:47.19`	`kergoth`	`BaTfInK: anytime`
`19:47.47`	`Neo\|Work`	`and tkc isn't making GREAt money on the Zaurus either considerig the number of ppl they are`
`19:47.50`	`warmi`	`Neo\|Work: well, you wanna make money .. move to PocketPC market - if you wanna have fun and code for pleasure , stay in this market :-)`
`19:47.52`	`Neo\|Work`	`but they are the best money maker I'm sure`
`19:48.06`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: right.`
`19:48.20`	`George-`	`which is the bastard that's marketing liquid?`
`19:48.30`	`kergoth`	`George-: eh?`
`19:48.32`	`Neo\|Work`	`I am porting for the fun of it and for other values that aren't monetary such as meeting nice ppl, improvement of skill, networking etc`
`19:48.42`	`kergoth`	`George-: last i checked there wasnt anything wrong with selling gpl apps`
`19:48.47`	`Neo\|Work`	`and we ARE working on an oriignal title that will be multi-platform`
`19:48.52`	`Neo\|Work`	`as I mentioned here before`
`19:49.10`	`George-`	`kergoth: yeh, but he didn't even write anything, afaict`
`19:49.13`	`warmi`	`wasn't that you George who just two days ago argued the very point kergoth just mentioned ?`
`19:49.16`	`kergoth`	`George-: bullshit`
`19:49.25`	`George-`	`ok ok ;)`
`19:49.35`	`kergoth`	`George-: he wrote the zstyle app, with the preloading bits to allow skinning the existing binary only launcher`
`19:49.50`	`warmi`	`Neo\|Work: have you tried "Argentum - this means War " ?`
`19:50.08`	`Neo\|Work`	`I don't have a PocketPC`
`19:50.09`	`George-`	`warmi: I argued a different point of view, I was just.. mislead by the advertising :)`
`19:50.42`	`warmi`	`kergoth: that's what I was wondering - is this guy injecting his code into running Qtopia so library or is he replacing that library altogether ?`
`19:50.43`	`Neo\|Work`	`George-: and mind you, I can take any GPL app I wish, package it and sell it w/o mentioning on the sales page that it's GPL`
`19:50.54`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: I know`
`19:51.05`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: and you only need to supply src to those that have the binary`
`19:51.19`	`kergoth`	`warmi: he LD_PRELOADs a lib that overrides libqpe methods`
`19:51.23`	`kergoth`	`warmi: afaik`
`19:52.05`	`Neo\|Work`	`George-: you need to be able to supply to the source to those that ASK when they ask`
`19:52.19`	`Neo\|Work`	`for the version they are requesting it for that is`
`19:52.31`	`Neo\|Work`	`i.e you can't release version 1.0 and then 1.1 and only have source for 1.1`
`19:52.31`	`George-`	`Neo\|Work: I know`
`19:52.34`	`Neo\|Work`	`or whatever`
`19:55.53`	`warmi`	`kergoth: I thought, this thing came with OPIE lib or something like that`
`19:56.04`	`warmi`	`I never tried it but I remember reading about it somewhere`
`19:56.15`	`kergoth`	`warmi: opie can do it to override styles on installed apps`
`19:56.27`	`carsten`	`kergoth: you know that in Todo of rc1 there are font-displaying bugs?`
`19:56.32`	`kergoth`	`warmi: i.e. you can skin tkc's apps with liquid. (which, incidentally, is faster than the tkc style)`
`19:56.40`	`Neo\|Work`	`hah`
`19:56.41`	`warmi`	`hahaha`
`19:56.43`	`kergoth`	`carsten: hadnt noticed`
`19:56.48`	`Neo\|Work`	`so part of the slowness in tkc apps is their style? :)`
`19:57.02`	`kergoth`	`Neo\|Work: yep. i hear tkceditor is usable.. and it looks so nice now!`
`19:57.06`	`kergoth`	`Neo\|Work: i'll buy it now`
`19:57.08`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`19:57.18`	`carsten`	`kergoth: ok, this might be a "its not a bug, its a feature"`
`19:57.19`	`treke\|laptop`	`kergoth: tinykate might be usable now :)`
`19:57.28`	`treke\|laptop`	`w`
`19:57.31`	`kergoth`	`bbl`
`19:57.32`	`kergoth`	`real work`
`19:57.35`	`ljp_work`	`its a bit usuable, needs font support`
`19:57.40`	`warmi`	`well, no matter how nice it looks - editing files on 240x320 will never seem right`
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`19:57.43`	`treke\|laptop`	`ljp_work: can you save now?`
`19:57.49`	`ljp_work`	`save.. hmm`
`19:57.58`	`treke\|laptop`	`that's kind of an important feature :)`
`19:58.00`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: never mind the 240x320, the keyboard too`
`19:58.03`	`ljp_work`	`not sure. if not I'll fix that tonight`
`19:58.07`	`warmi`	`the new 640x480 VGA resolution of C700 makes more sense`
`19:58.10`	`Neo\|Work`	`I can not imagine programming or anything using such a kbd`
`19:58.26`	`warmi`	`Neo\|Work: well, that too`
`19:58.33`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: except that the screen size is the same so you get either _very_ small text or about the same screen size`
`19:58.44`	`warmi`	`hehe`
`19:58.44`	`ljp_work`	`got yer webpal ir keyboard, and wait fro kergoth to apply the webpal keyboard driver patch, and then use that`
`19:58.46`	`warmi`	`true`
`19:58.56`	`warmi`	`but , smaller text would still make things more usable`
`19:59.08`	`warmi`	`I mean at least one would be able to see 70 columns`
`19:59.34`	`warmi`	`but , generally, yeah - the applications that will benefit most from this new res will be games`
`19:59.38`	`warmi`	`:-)`
`20:00.12`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: I'm afraid games might not benefit the slightest...`
`20:00.24`	`Neo\|Work`	`4x the pixels, _slower_ cpu...`
`20:00.29`	`Neo\|Work`	`do the math`
`20:05.04`	`warmi`	`I mean the resolution will benefit the games ..`
`20:05.15`	`warmi`	`you will be able to put 2x much detail`
`20:05.25`	`prpplague`	`man those additional cradles are expensive`
`20:05.29`	`warmi`	`of course, the cpu part wil be a problem`
`20:05.38`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: 4x, 2x each dimension`
`20:05.46`	`warmi`	`on the other hand, if your game runs at 100 fps now`
`20:05.53`	`Neo\|Work`	`HOWEVER it'll require 4x as much CPU to draw and 4X the CPU to update`
`20:05.57`	`Neo\|Work`	`and the CPU is NOT faster`
`20:06.01`	`warmi`	`it will still run at 25 after conversion to 640x480`
`20:06.02`	`Neo\|Work`	`at best it's about as fast`
`20:06.03`	`warmi`	`heeh`
`20:06.13`	`Neo\|Work`	`at worst, it's like 15-40% slower`
`20:06.32`	`Neo\|Work`	`you're thinking wrong`
`20:06.37`	`tux_mike`	`ugh`
`20:06.42`	`tux_mike`	`i hate that store`
`20:06.44`	`Neo\|Work`	`it'll take 4x the time just DRAWONG the scene, if not more`
`20:06.54`	`Neo\|Work`	`and then an ADDITIONAL 4x the time for updating the scene to the display`
`20:07.01`	`Neo\|Work`	`that can be a substantial loss in performance`
`20:07.12`	`Neo\|Work`	`that said, Pyrogon games (Candy Cruncher etc) will be converted by me`
`20:07.28`	`warmi`	`you already have c700 ?`
`20:07.30`	`Neo\|Work`	`because they run in 640x480 resolution natively and use smart updates so they should perform perfectly well`
`20:07.32`	`Neo\|Work`	`No`
`20:07.37`	`Neo\|Work`	`I'm doing the simple math`
`20:07.50`	`Neo\|Work`	`4x the pixels twice => bad news`
`20:07.56`	`warmi`	`well,every game should be doing smart updates`
`20:08.07`	`warmi`	`c700 cpu runs at 400 mhz right ?`
`20:08.08`	`Neo\|Work`	`they don't`
`20:08.12`	`Neo\|Work`	`XScale yes`
`20:08.34`	`Neo\|Work`	`and mind you, many games such as bust'em and RocketElite can't really do better than what they do`
`20:08.40`	`Neo\|Work`	`because in evey frame most of the scene changes`
`20:08.52`	`Neo\|Work`	`Oh, and Dragon Bane 2 will be ported too`
`20:09.01`	`Neo\|Work`	`it does updates so rarely it'll work fine`
`20:09.01`	`warmi`	`fuck, how in the world they could release "improved" CPU running at 2x the old one , yet still manage to make it slower when running native code - a code 99% of apps are writting with`
`20:09.02`	`Com[Plex]`	`hehe. nice :.`
`20:09.07`	`Neo\|Work`	`the rest I have to wait and see`
`20:09.22`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: ask Intel...`
`20:09.40`	`Neo\|Work`	`part of the problem can be solved by optimized code but the CPU (at least older revisions) is also brokebn`
`20:09.57`	`Neo\|Work`	`apparently the 400 MHz XScale isn't that much different in speed to the 200 MHz one...`
`20:10.04`	`Neo\|Work`	`in some cases at least`
`20:10.20`	`warmi`	`Neo\|Work: for games like bustem , the only hope is to on-the-fly create bigger tiles out of small tiles and try to scroll these`
`20:10.53`	`warmi`	`this way they can avoid multiple calls and especially mask based drawing of static images on top of other images`
`20:11.13`	`Neo\|Work`	`Bust'em, RocketElite and Motocross Stunt Racer are already pretty much straining a SL-5500`
`20:11.18`	`Neo\|Work`	`so there's little hope for those`
`20:11.32`	`warmi`	`well - is there a scenario where XScale actually runs much faster than old ARM ?`
`20:11.39`	`Neo\|Work`	`and btw, if _I_ wrote the game I most likely WOULD use dirty rectangles if viable`
`20:11.45`	`Neo\|Work`	`but I'm not going to rewrite these games`
`20:11.49`	`Neo\|Work`	`way too much work`
`20:12.04`	`warmi`	`I mean, Intel folks are not stupid - and they must have tested this stuff before releasing it to the world`
`20:12.05`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: I think there's possible scenarios yes`
`20:12.12`	`kergoth`	`warmi: yes. its faster in some things, slower in others. but it all depends on which stepping we're talking about too`
`20:12.21`	`Neo\|Work`	`there's one PPC pda that somehow makes the CPU perform better`
`20:12.33`	`Com[Plex]`	`what the hell?`
`20:12.39`	`Com[Plex]`	`my zaurus is acting funny`
`20:12.40`	`warmi`	`after all,Intel has tons of experience creating backward compatible chips :-)`
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`20:12.58`	`Com[Plex]`	`I just flashed from 3.0 to 3.1rc1 and it didnt change.`
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`20:13.07`	`Neo\|Work`	`Qt Scripting Language.. hmm`
`20:13.16`	`Com[Plex]`	`nothibng changed...`
`20:13.34`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: also they have had lots of experience with CPU's that sucked if they didn't use especially opimzied code`
`20:13.40`	`Com[Plex]`	`my apps are stuill installed, same 3.0 stuff is on here..`
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`20:13.46`	`Neo\|Work`	`like Pentium Pro and P4, at least initially`
`20:13.52`	`kergoth`	`Com[Plex]: sysinfo shows 3.0?`
`20:14.08`	`Com[Plex]`	`actually no, sysinfo doesnt show a version.`
`20:14.14`	`warmi`	`Neo\|Work: yeah, that's the necessary evil when you are redesinging your CPU and still want old code to run on it`
`20:14.20`	`Com[Plex]`	`where does it say that exactly?`
`20:14.28`	`warmi`	`but the difference between 486 and pentium wasn't all that great`
`20:14.35`	`Neo\|Work`	`and they also haev had bugs in their CPU's ans such`
`20:14.40`	`warmi`	`I mean reasonably optimized code run very well on both`
`20:14.55`	`Com[Plex]`	`son of a bithc. my friggin power plug is getting worse and worse too`
`20:14.56`	`Com[Plex]`	`:<`
`20:15.52`	`warmi`	`at least Xscale draws less power`
`20:15.56`	`warmi`	`or so they say`
`20:16.49`	`warmi`	`Neo\|Work: you have A600 ...`
`20:16.56`	`warmi`	`so , is it really that bad ?`
`20:17.26`	`warmi`	`I mean, since Bustem is pusing 5500 to its limits, it should be rather slow on 200 MHZ XScale`
`20:17.36`	`warmi`	`pusing = pushing ( of course)`
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`20:18.44`	`Neo\|Work`	`you mean A300?`
`20:18.54`	`warmi`	`sorry, I mean A300`
`20:18.58`	`Neo\|Work`	`and it plays pretty well on the A300`
`20:19.04`	`Neo\|Work`	`slower yes, but playable`
`20:19.09`	`Neo\|Work`	`MSR is also playable`
`20:19.12`	`Neo\|Work`	`RocketElite is not`
`20:19.27`	`Neo\|Work`	`Interstellar Flames I haven't tried - I get a lockup bug that I need to figure out before I can start playing`
`20:19.30`	`Com[Plex]`	`the a300, is that the 400mhz xscale?`
`20:19.36`	`Neo\|Work`	`200 MHz`
`20:19.45`	`Com[Plex]`	`hmm'`
`20:19.56`	`Neo\|Work`	`as I said though, ti seems like the 200 MHz one isn't really all that much slower than the 400 MHz ones`
`20:20.20`	`warmi`	`btw .. you mentioned that one of your Japanese localized games sold only 5 copies on that market. ..`
`20:20.38`	`warmi`	`I read somewhere that Sharp sold tons of a300 in Japan`
`20:21.10`	`Neo\|Work`	`4 copies actually`
`20:21.16`	`warmi`	`that would suggest that either , they don';t like western games .. or the place that was selling them is not frequented by A300 users`
`20:21.19`	`Com[Plex]`	`probably because someone bouht one copy, and sold it to everyone else for a dollar per copy`
`20:21.47`	`warmi`	`Com[Plex]: hehhe`
`20:22.05`	`Neo\|Work`	`http://visavis.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=32&jid=795B1269599459C3F15X751FXFAB5642&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=43115&sectionId=0&catalog=1`
`20:22.34`	`warmi`	`61 downloads ..`
`20:22.39`	`warmi`	`doesn't seem like a lot`
`20:22.47`	`Neo\|Work`	`it's no`
`20:22.48`	`Neo\|Work`	`not`
`20:22.50`	`warmi`	`5500 version had like 10 times more`
`20:22.59`	`Neo\|Work`	`s/5500/US/`
`20:23.05`	`Neo\|Work`	`it has like 450 or so`
`20:23.24`	`warmi`	`well, I don't know`
`20:23.25`	`Neo\|Work`	`434 actually`
`20:23.42`	`warmi`	`perhaps Sharp is not doing all that well even with A300 in Japan`
`20:23.44`	`Neo\|Work`	`Zaurus + Games => low sales. what can I sayu?`
`20:23.45`	`warmi`	`who knows`
`20:23.57`	`tux_mike`	`hrm...`
`20:24.11`	`Neo\|Work`	`in either case, Sharp is working on retail etc in Japan`
`20:24.15`	`Neo\|Work`	`so there's always hope`
`20:24.15`	`tux_mike`	`i wonder if there is any chance that i may find the new rh beta`
`20:24.22`	`warmi`	`"working " ??`
`20:24.34`	`Com[Plex]`	`rh beta?`
`20:24.35`	`Neo\|Work`	`whatever`
`20:24.37`	`warmi`	`I thought they were major player over there in retail and every other channel`
`20:24.40`	`Neo\|Work`	`they are doing retail in Japan`
`20:24.46`	`Neo\|Work`	`in US they are not`
`20:24.49`	`Neo\|Work`	`that's all I meant`
`20:24.53`	`warmi`	`ok`
`20:24.56`	`tux_mike`	`redhat released a new beta`
`20:25.00`	`Neo\|Work`	`and yes, they are the main PDA manufacturer in Japan`
`20:25.04`	`warmi`	`no, they are not - and won't be for a while`
`20:25.14`	`tux_mike`	`which is good, because i so wanna dump rh8`
`20:25.14`	`Neo\|Work`	`I'm pretty darn sure they are`
`20:25.30`	`oGMo`	`tux_mike: too old for you? heh`
`20:25.30`	`warmi`	`it is safe to say that their second attempt at recapturing US retail market for PDA failed miserably`
`20:25.41`	`tux_mike`	`oGMo: no, to shitty`
`20:25.49`	`Com[Plex]`	`who?`
`20:25.58`	`warmi`	`Neo\|Work: I meant, they are not major player in US`
`20:26.31`	`Neo\|Work`	`I'm talking about Japan`
`20:26.46`	`oGMo`	`tux_mike: i'm sorry you feel that way ;)`
`20:27.03`	`Neo\|Work`	`i.e Sharp leading PDA sales in Japan`
`20:27.14`	`warmi`	`yeah`
`20:27.18`	`tux_mike`	`oGMo: it's slow and problematic`
`20:27.18`	`Neo\|Work`	`before using their custom ZaurusOS now they are trying to move to Linu`
`20:27.19`	`Neo\|Work`	`x`
`20:27.32`	`warmi`	`but these numbers are for their older - non Linux models , right ?`
`20:27.38`	`warmi`	`yeah`
`20:28.02`	`warmi`	`well, they say every market has only enough room for two competitors`
`20:28.10`	`oGMo`	`tux_mike: (nudge nudge it's not "in" to say RH sucks anymore... debian sucks this season)`
`20:28.18`	`warmi`	`I guess PocketPC and Palm are that "duo" here in US`
`20:28.29`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: I'm talking totals`
`20:28.31`	`Com[Plex]`	`oGMo: hahHAHAhaHAhahA`
`20:28.33`	`tux_mike`	`oGMo: my beef is every distro sucks right now`
`20:29.00`	`warmi`	`oGMo: well, as far as I am concerned, Debian always sucked`
`20:29.02`	`oGMo`	`plus, since it's compiled with gcc-3.2 and the software is the same as everyone else's, i find those points difficult to believe`
`20:29.03`	`warmi`	`heh`
`20:29.07`	`oGMo`	`warmi, me too ;)`
`20:29.18`	`tux_mike`	`Debian has kde 2. Suse switched to a proprietary package manager. Gentoo takes too god damn long.`
`20:29.21`	`oGMo`	`well, there was a time when it _was_ up to date`
`20:30.16`	`warmi`	`well, I am still using RH 7.3`
`20:30.25`	`warmi`	`that beta is for which version tux ?`
`20:30.30`	`tux_mike`	`wow. i'm pulling 70 from a server.`
`20:30.35`	`tux_mike`	`warmi: 8.1 i assume`
`20:30.37`	`oGMo`	`i've still got rh7.2 on my notebook`
`20:30.53`	`warmi`	`well, I shouldn't say "still" for I just recently ( couple of months ago) switched from 6.x`
`20:30.56`	`oGMo`	`8 on a couple desktop boxes, it's highly impressive imo`
`20:31.07`	`warmi`	`I will wait till RH 9.2 or soemthing like that`
`20:31.21`	`warmi`	`I don't particulary enjoy reinstalling my stuff from scratch`
`20:31.29`	`tux_mike`	`i still have to figure out how to tell linux/gnu that my cpu is pentium3 not i686`
`20:31.48`	`warmi`	`tux_mike: what is pentium 3 ?`
`20:31.51`	`warmi`	`i868 ?`
`20:32.02`	`tux_mike`	`it's id string should be pentium3`
`20:32.24`	`warmi`	`oh well, perhaps the compiler does not support that string :-)`
`20:32.25`	`tux_mike`	`techncally it's still i686, but that has no MMX/SSE optimizations`
`20:32.39`	`tux_mike`	`warmi: gcc 3.2 supports it`
`20:32.49`	`tux_mike`	`uname doesn't report it as such`
`20:33.00`	`warmi`	`well, gcc 3,2 is very new`
`20:33.01`	`tux_mike`	`therefore i can't install packages built for the pentium3 arch`
`20:33.38`	`warmi`	`I think my shit is still running on whatever default RH 7.3 installs`
`20:33.45`	`warmi`	`most likely some 464 or something :-)`
`20:34.21`	`warmi`	`unless it is smart enough to figure out that it is installing on Athlon and pull the coresponding kernel`
`20:34.25`	`warmi`	`I don't remember`
`20:34.32`	`tux_mike`	`well, i'm pretty sure it's getting it somewhere from the kernel. i was able to trace the function back to glibc, though, but i didnt find where that gets the data from`
`20:35.22`	`tux_mike`	`if the kernel called the newer cpus by their proper names, i wouldn't have any problems :)`
`20:36.40`	`warmi`	`does it run fast for you tux ?`
`20:36.53`	`tux_mike`	`what, rh8?`
`20:37.04`	`warmi`	`yeah, OS and everything on top of it`
`20:37.45`	`tux_mike`	`it seems to have prioritizing and scheduling problems. some things seem fine, but others run like crap. especially mozilla. sometimes it will just hang. never had it do that before`
`20:38.21`	`tux_mike`	`i also hope rh8.1 will support EHCI USB`
`20:38.36`	`warmi`	`uh ,, I thought the new kernel was supposed to have better scheduler - meaning more optimized for perceived responsivness`
`20:38.47`	`warmi`	`or something like that`
`20:39.02`	`tux_mike`	`preempt patch. i think rh left it out`
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`20:39.14`	`tux_mike`	`i'm not sure where the problem lies, i just know it exists`
`20:39.16`	`warmi`	`basically more granular - in effect will waste more time on scheduling task but it will seem faster to the user`
`20:40.50`	`tux_mike`	`yah`
`20:41.58`	`tux_mike`	`gah`
`20:42.02`	`tux_mike`	`i want my laptop`
`20:44.02`	`warmi`	`found that on slashdot :>RH6.2 - stable`
`20:44.07`	`warmi`	`>RH7.3 - beta`
`20:44.11`	`warmi`	`>RH8.0 - alpha`
`20:44.29`	`warmi`	`"honest versioning"`
`20:44.30`	`warmi`	`heh`
`20:45.36`	`kergoth`	`warmi: hah`
`20:47.05`	`tux_mike`	`7.3 was good`
`20:47.16`	`tux_mike`	`7.0 was almost as bad as 8`
`20:47.40`	`treke\|laptop`	`redhat's quality seems to be pretty consistant`
`20:47.49`	`tux_mike`	`heh. i am pulling more bandwidth than i have alloted to me`
`20:48.00`	`treke\|laptop`	`crap at .0, usable at .1, pretty good at .2`
`20:48.11`	`kergoth`	`treke\|laptop: yep`
`20:48.13`	`tux_mike`	`best at .3`
`20:48.34`	`treke\|laptop`	`tux_mike: hard to say, this is there first .3 that I know of :)`
`20:49.03`	`tux_mike`	`true, but amost all the kinks were ironed out at 7.3`
`20:49.11`	`tux_mike`	`my server ain't leaving 7.3`
`20:49.28`	`tux_mike`	`in fact, any new servers i build, will be 7.3`
`20:50.29`	`Twiun`	`it's fortunate that with linux we have the option of remaining on older versions`
`20:51.42`	`treke\|laptop`	`I think 7.3 remains supported until 9.0`
`20:51.50`	`tux_mike`	`nope`
`20:52.06`	`treke\|laptop`	`if I remember their support scheme, they support the final release of the previous major release. But this was a while back`
`20:52.06`	`tux_mike`	`rh plans on discontinuing erratta for 7.3 at the end of next year`
`20:52.13`	`tux_mike`	`i'm pissed`
`20:52.28`	`treke\|laptop`	`maybe they changed :)`
`20:52.40`	`Twiun`	`how often do errata come out?`
`20:52.48`	`Twiun`	`for 7.3?`
`20:53.27`	`tux_mike`	`once a week or so`
`20:53.31`	`tux_mike`	`sometimes more, sometimes less`
`20:53.41`	`treke\|laptop`	`ah. they support the latest three releases`
`20:53.46`	`tux_mike`	`but that's for just about any quirk, problem, bug or hole`
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`20:55.08`	`warmi`	`tux_mike: I am switching to speakeasy`
`20:55.17`	`tux_mike`	`cool`
`20:55.20`	`warmi`	`do you have like a bandwith limits there ?`
`20:55.26`	`tux_mike`	`no`
`20:55.30`	`warmi`	`you mentioned something about "pulling more than alloted"`
`20:55.49`	`tux_mike`	`yah, my line is provisioned for 608, i'm pulling 668 :)`
`20:56.08`	`warmi`	`I am switching cause I don't have a choice - telocity aka DirectTV DSL is going out of business`
`20:56.11`	`ljp_work`	`you priate`
`20:56.16`	`ljp_work`	`pirate even`
`20:56.19`	`tux_mike`	`yarr`
`20:56.26`	`warmi`	`tux_mike: I ordered 1.5 download / 128 upload plan`
`20:56.32`	`tux_mike`	`cool`
`20:56.33`	`ljp_work`	`got a keg o' rum?`
`20:56.52`	`tux_mike`	`i could use a keg o' rum`
`20:57.24`	`tux_mike`	`warmi: i wanted to upgrade my dsl, but i can't. they don'`
`20:57.36`	`tux_mike`	`t have the proper equipment to do a better upstream in my CO`
`20:58.14`	`warmi`	`oh well, they even have what they call " a sys admin" plan`
`20:58.19`	`warmi`	`for folks who run servers etc`
`20:58.31`	`tux_mike`	`that's what i got`
`20:58.47`	`tux_mike`	`i wonder what this special rpmfind access is...`
`20:59.21`	`tux_mike`	`but anyway, me and my friends have an idea.`
`20:59.38`	`tux_mike`	`there is a new wifi ap coming out that can link up two sites at 4 miles`
`20:59.38`	`warmi`	`to do what ?`
`21:00.08`	`tux_mike`	`all my friends and i are within 4 miles, so we are planning to get a 1.1 SDSL lline and sharing it with the wifi :)`
`21:00.43`	`warmi`	`oh well, but how fast is that wifi ?`
`21:00.53`	`tux_mike`	`11mbit max.`
`21:01.12`	`tux_mike`	`i'd guestimate 5-6 with the links we will be establishing`
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`21:02.55`	`tux_mike`	`and if we split the line 5 ways, it's cheaper for us to get the one line`
`21:03.46`	`warmi`	`oh well .. sounds like too much trouble for what costs less $100 per month`
`21:03.58`	`tux_mike`	`SDSL 1.1 is 200/mo`
`21:04.43`	`warmi`	`well, yeah, I guess - I can't even get that one since my local CO does not support SDSL`
`21:05.00`	`tux_mike`	`that sucks`
`21:05.10`	`tux_mike`	`but you only need sdsl for servers`
`21:05.41`	`warmi`	`yeah, I run one :-)`
`21:05.45`	`warmi`	`but 128 is enough`
`21:05.53`	`tux_mike`	`barely`
`21:06.04`	`tux_mike`	`i ahve 608/128`
`21:06.11`	`tux_mike`	`and i find it barely enough`
`21:06.15`	`tux_mike`	`sometimes it's not`
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`21:09.11`	`George-`	`hello`
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`21:37.15`	`bzdoug`	`slow today`
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`21:59.47`	`CodeYoddler`	`Hello all!`
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`22:08.07`	`George-`	`ibot lart ljp_work`
`22:08.09`	`George-`	`:)`
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`22:09.21`	`Hellaenergy`	`Howdy Everyone!`
`22:09.29`	`Hellaenergy`	`Happy Hollidays`
`22:10.02`	`George-`	`~lart ljp_work`
`22:10.04`	`George-`	`;)`
`22:10.10`	`Hellaenergy`	`A year later and the Zaurus 5xxx is quite the awsome tool`
`22:10.20`	`ljp_work`	`hehehe`
`22:10.36`	`Hellaenergy`	`Thanks to alot of brothers and sisters in here`
`22:10.38`	`ljp_work`	`ya after a year only the paint has scratched off`
`22:11.05`	kergoth`bbl	`hey Hellaenergy`
`22:11.49`	`Hellaenergy`	`Here's to the people behind Z and all those who keep Open Source in the mix (Kergoth).`
`22:11.56`	`ljp_work`	`gpe was too big for the 5000d and oz`
`22:12.10`	`Hellaenergy`	hey kergoth`bbl
`22:13.41`	`Hellaenergy`	`Anyone here using that hot spot wireless wifi system?`
`22:14.40`	`ljp_work`	`ya, I hope I can get my hands on one`
`22:14.51`	`Hellaenergy`	`Anyone got their hands on one of those yet?`
`22:15.23`	`George-`	`BZFlag: it will?`
`22:15.36`	`BZFlag`	`George-: yes`
`22:15.40`	`George-`	`BZFlag: I thought it would have 32MB RAM, 64MB flash`
`22:15.50`	`angry`	`ibot sync`
`22:15.52`		`well, sync is done on an application level. What apps do you want to sync to on ibot's pc?`
`22:15.52`	kergoth`bbl	`George-: thats what he said`
`22:16.09`	`George-`	kergoth`bbl: I'm confused
`22:16.13`	`George-`	`oh right`
`22:16.17`	`George-`	`I thought he meant RAM`
`22:16.17`	`Hellaenergy`	`Anyone know where I can download the z's usb drivers for Winblows`
`22:16.17`	`George-`	`;)`
`22:16.23`	kergoth`bbl	`George-: ljp said he wants 32mb flash. bzflag said 5600 will have 64`
`22:16.24`	kergoth`bbl	`heh`
`22:16.25`	`angry`	`what steps would need to be taken to set up syncing or connection sharing in RH8.0 for the z?`
`22:16.35`	kergoth`bbl	`ibot: tell angry about howtos`
`22:16.46`	`angry`	`danke kergoth`
`22:16.48`	`Hellaenergy`	`man thats lag`
`22:16.49`	kergoth`bbl	`np`
`22:17.08`	kergoth`bbl	`Hellaenergy: http://community.zaurus.com/`
`22:17.24`	`Hellaenergy`	thanks kergot`bbl
`22:18.03`	`kergoth`	`np`
`22:18.25`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`22:18.53`	`sjohnson`	`Wow : Microsoft ordered to carry Java`
`22:18.56`	`Hellaenergy`	`kergoth: I can only see Linux USB drivers here`
`22:19.22`	`Hellaenergy`	`Ah Bahia`
`22:19.32`	`kergoth`	`Hellaenergy: then get em off more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp`
`22:20.22`	`sjohnson`	`Anyone planning on getting a C700 from Dynamism(sp?)`
`22:21.51`	`George-`	`sjohnson: no`
`22:22.06`	`BZFlag`	`George-: that's what was mentioned. flash. so that's what I meant, 64M flash.`
`22:22.43`	`George-`	`BZFlag: I know now :)`
`22:23.54`	`ljp_work`	`too bad sharp wont have a developer symposium for the 5600`
`22:25.14`	`George-`	`symposium?`
`22:26.23`	`ljp_work`	`I dont even think most of the developers that were at that are still involved with z development at all`
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`22:34.10`	`Twiun`	`BZFlag: ping`
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`22:34.25`	`Twiun`	`hey Hella`
`22:34.37`	`Hellaenergy`	`Do these usb drivers support USB 2?`
`22:34.56`	`Twiun`	`isn't usb2 a hw thing?`
`22:41.23`	`Hellaenergy`	`Twiun: Yup`
`22:41.27`	`Hellaenergy`	`Hi BTW`
`22:41.29`	`Hellaenergy`	`:)`
`22:41.39`	`Hellaenergy`	`Will the Z 5600 have support for it?`
`22:42.22`	`Hellaenergy`	`I gots to go yall. Have a wonderful day ;)`
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`23:01.15`	`BZFlag`	`Twiun: pong?`
`23:02.03`	`BZFlag`	`afaik 5600 will not be a usb2 device.`
`23:03.46`	`Twiun`	`BZFlag: you made noises about wanting to talk to me whilst I was on holiday... remember what it was about?`
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`23:05.07`	`Twiun`	`hi raster`
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`23:07.02`	`Twiun`	`Salut genepi`
`23:07.22`	`genepi`	`Salut, Steph!`
`23:07.54`	`raster`	`Twiun: yo`
`23:08.57`	`Twiun`	`genepi: how's the bug page? did you get the drawOval bug submission?`
`23:09.02`	`Twiun`	`(not mine)`
`23:11.50`	`genepi`	`Piotr has submitted the drwaOval bug to Sharp. We have to wait for them now...`
`23:12.22`	`genepi`	`Perhaps will it be corrected in the Z8200, forecast in 2005 ;-)`
`23:12.27`	`Twiun`	`lol`
`23:12.32`	`Twiun`	`maybe`
`23:12.41`	`Twiun`	`what device do you have atm?`
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`23:13.12`	`genepi`	`I've appended it in my bug list (http://www.alterna.tv/jeodebugs/) for remembrance...`
`23:13.49`	`genepi`	`SL-5500`
`23:14.28`	`Twiun`	`with sharp rom, right?`
`23:14.40`	`genepi`	`yes`
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`23:14.56`	`George-`	`ear`
`23:14.59`	`George-`	`hey`
`23:15.08`	`genepi`	`trying to stay standard...`
`23:15.28`	`Twiun`	`would you like to see if wonka runs ok on it? (just making sure I'm not linking against libraries that don't exist on the sharp rom)`
`23:16.29`	`genepi`	`No problem.`
`23:16.54`	`genepi`	`Where is the ipk. I can't find it in the ~twiun directory`
`23:17.16`	`Twiun`	`hehe, one sec`
`23:17.48`	`Twiun`	`have a look now`
`23:18.51`	`genepi`	`OK. Will finish crossing over the ocean in 30 seconds...`
`23:19.20`	`Twiun`	`cool`
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`23:19.42`	`Twiun`	`I will eventually strip the binary so the ipk will be 1086k`
`23:21.15`	`genepi`	`Reached the Zaurus now!`
`23:22.57`	`genepi`	`... but does not get listed in the Sharp installer! I have to find out why...`
`23:23.58`	`Twiun`	`strange. should still install using the commandline ipkg though - does it?`
`23:27.51`	`George-`	`cya`
`23:28.06`	`Twiun`	`ah, erm - you may have to kill the process manually... woops`
`23:28.29`	`Twiun`	`closing the window won't kill the vm`
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`23:34.09`	`genepi`	`Twiun, are you using the new ipk format with ar instead of tgz?`
`23:34.45`	`genepi`	`ipkg install open-wonka...`
`23:34.46`	`Twiun`	`I use the oz buildroot to generate the ipk, so I assume so`
`23:35.11`	`genepi`	`zcat: open-wonka not in gzip format`
`23:35.14`	`Twiun`	`let me use ipkg-build and make one for the old format`
`23:35.43`	`kergoth`	`Twiun: if you enable classic ipk creation in the config system, it'll build a new ipk in output/ipks, and a old one in output/classicipks`
`23:35.47`	`kergoth`	`Twiun: :)`
`23:36.04`	`Twiun`	`oooooo`
`23:36.14`	`Twiun`	`I'll switch that on later`
`23:36.27`	`Twiun`	`for now I just made one up by going into output/ipktemp ;-)`
`23:36.40`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`23:36.43`	`Twiun`	`genepi: looks like you'll have to redownload, sorry!`
`23:36.58`	`Twiun`	`haven't bk pulled in about a week`
`23:37.05`	`kergoth`	`me neither!`
`23:37.06`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`23:37.24`	`Twiun`	`can I do something like bk ls co?`
`23:37.37`	`kergoth`	`bk pull -nl shows you what will be pulled`
`23:37.41`	`kergoth`	`if thats what you mean`
`23:38.26`	`Twiun`	`hmmm... I'm thinking of something that will show me what I've got currently checked out`
`23:39.03`	`kergoth`	`?`
`23:39.11`	`kergoth`	`you dont have anything checked out of the repository upstream`
`23:39.24`	`kergoth`	`you have a local repository which was cloned from the remote repository`
`23:39.31`	`kergoth`	`and you have files checked out of the local repo`
`23:40.14`	`Twiun`	`right. and how can I tell which files in a dir I currently have checked out of the local repo?`
`23:41.44`	`genepi`	`Twiun, can you give another name to your package? I've downloaded it, but still the same error. Perhaps it's in a cache somewhere...`
`23:41.57`	`Twiun`	`sure`
`23:42.31`	`Twiun`	`done`
`23:42.36`	`Twiun`	`changed the subversion to 3`
`23:42.44`	`Twiun`	`in the filename`
`23:43.47`	`Twiun`	`lol, http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=48832&cid=4947676`
`23:43.55`	`genepi`	`OK, downloading correctly now...`
`23:44.25`	`Twiun`	`and I've verified it's in the gzip format ;-)`
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`23:45.02`	`genepi`	`The previous time, your apache server has sent a gzip MIME type, and IE added a zip file extension! Grrrr...`
`23:45.32`	`Twiun`	`doh`
`23:45.56`	`genepi`	`OK. Now the Sharp installer can see it! Yeah!`
`23:46.05`	`Twiun`	`woohoo!`
`23:46.10`	`Twiun`	`ok, one small step`
`23:46.15`	`Twiun`	`now for the big one`
`23:46.52`	`genepi`	`A second small step. No "Something has gone wriong" message!`
`23:47.04`	`Twiun`	`now what? ;-)`
`23:47.33`	`genepi`	`Wait... Qtopia has to restart...`
`23:49.06`	`genepi`	`What is supposed to do Wonka test? My God, my Zaurus is haunted!!!`
`23:49.30`	`Twiun`	`moves that Test window around ;-)`
`23:49.35`	`genepi`	`Or is it an allergy with VNC?`
`23:50.19`	`Twiun`	`it uses the qt/e awt binding to create a Frame, set its title and move it around randomly every second`
`23:50.20`	`genepi`	`Yes, moving a grey pane randomly in the bottom of the screen...`
`23:50.33`	`Twiun`	`just at the bottom of the screen?`
`23:50.36`	`Twiun`	`no titlebar?`
`23:51.17`	`genepi`	`No title, only a grey rectangular pane moving in the right bottom of the screen.`
`23:51.25`	`Twiun`	`hmmm`
`23:51.39`	`kergoth`	`OZ w/ 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1 now has a functional keyboard, with nothing hardcoded. you can control -everything- from the keymap and load it in with loadkeys`
`23:51.42`	`Twiun`	`ok, looks like I'll have to do a round of debugging on the sharp rom...`
`23:51.43`	`Twiun`	`grrr`
`23:51.55`	`Twiun`	`genepi: oh well, at least it runs ;-)`
`23:52.06`	`Twiun`	`genepi: feel free to kill it from the console`
`23:52.28`	`genepi`	`Yes, and it adds a new tab with no name or icon.`
`23:52.31`	`kolla`	`kergoth: congrats, and thanks! :)`
`23:52.46`	`genepi`	`Only one icon in it with a question mark and no name.`
`23:53.13`	`Twiun`	`thanks for trying it out`
`23:53.29`	`genepi`	`Do you want screenshots?`
`23:53.55`	`Twiun`	`not really necessary at this point, maybe at the next test ;-)`
`23:57.47`	`Twiun`	`I wanted to ensure that the binary would actually run - you got something on the screen, I'm happy for now`
`23:58.28`	`genepi`	`And de-install without problem... All packages should be Sharp friendly like this one. ;-))`

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