| 00:00.14 | Com[Plex] | anyone buy motocross stunt racer yet?? |
| 00:05.23 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* |
| 00:05.28 | Com[Plex] | I cant get ti out of this stupid mode. :< |
| 00:05.36 | Com[Plex] | I tried flashing, it keeps going back into this. |
| 00:09.03 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: you fscked up the Z again? :P |
| 00:09.38 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 00:09.46 | Com[Plex] | funny huh ? |
| 00:10.21 | Neo|Work | kind of yes. :P |
| 00:10.25 | Com[Plex] | ]:) |
| 00:10.36 | Com[Plex] | I gotta find out how to get out of this stupid diagnostics mode |
| 00:10.43 | Com[Plex] | I think Ill call sharp asn ask em. |
| 00:10.55 | treke | Com[Plex]: hard reset? |
| 00:11.08 | treke | try flashing OZ :) |
| 00:11.26 | Com[Plex] | tried those. hah, hard reset boots it immediately back into diagnostics mode. |
| 00:11.29 | Com[Plex] | OZ didnt help. |
| 00:11.46 | Com[Plex] | I just tried a new bursted romimage, and that didnt work either. |
| 00:11.56 | *** part/#zaurus ljp (~wind@tf0226.peakpeak.com) |
| 00:12.03 | Com[Plex] | Ive tried "clearing diagnostic flag" and other thigns. |
| 00:12.17 | Com[Plex] | im gonna try a full "romimage" now |
| 00:13.15 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* |
| 00:15.32 | Pend-Gone | how do you get into diagnostic mode anyways? not that I want to if you can't get out of it |
| 00:18.05 | Com[Plex] | hehe, im not telling. |
| 00:18.20 | Com[Plex] | I wish I never found out |
| 00:19.26 | Pendalar | =-/ information whore |
| 00:20.01 | Com[Plex] | not so.. |
| 00:20.31 | treke | information is meant to be free |
| 00:21.01 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* |
| 00:21.05 | Com[Plex] | dont make me feel bad,. okay? |
| 00:21.13 | kergoth`bbl | Com[Plex]: clearing the diagnostic flag, then full resetting and trying to turn on the unit should be sufficient.. if you'd like i can get into it to confirm. |
| 00:21.14 | Pendalar | heh |
| 00:21.50 | Com[Plex] | I tried clearing the diagnostic flag, and it says "none" |
| 00:23.20 | Com[Plex] | I got it! |
| 00:23.25 | Com[Plex] | I flashed a "ROMIMAGE" file |
| 00:23.58 | kergoth`bbl | Com[Plex]: shouldnt have to do that.. glad it worked tho |
| 00:24.36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: ! |
| 00:24.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: how do i test this kernel |
| 00:24.44 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: i made changes and such |
| 00:24.45 | Com[Plex] | phew! |
| 00:24.47 | TheMasterMind1 | i wanna compile and test |
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| 00:25.28 | TheMasterMind1 | they totally changed around sa1100_generic.c |
| 00:25.33 | TheMasterMind1 | i hope my changes work |
| 00:25.35 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to test em |
| 00:25.40 | TheMasterMind1 | and aren't you supposed to be going home? |
| 00:25.55 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, just my luck, you probably just left now |
| 00:26.01 | Com[Plex] | kergoth`bbl: I would like it if you could check on that for me.. just so I know if I was doing somethign wrong. |
| 00:27.12 | kergoth`bbl | Com[Plex]: yep, i'll look into it |
| 00:27.23 | kergoth`bbl | i just got home |
| 00:27.27 | treke | kergoth`bbl: go home |
| 00:27.28 | kergoth`bbl | may be going out in a few |
| 00:27.30 | kergoth`bbl | i'm home! |
| 00:27.31 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 00:27.37 | treke | go someplace else |
| 00:27.41 | kergoth`bbl | planning on it |
| 00:27.46 | kergoth`bbl | it is friday night after all |
| 00:27.48 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 00:27.57 | treke | so? |
| 00:27.58 | treke | :) |
| 00:29.46 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 00:29.50 | Com[Plex] | my fucking cf card is hosed |
| 00:31.37 | Com[Plex] | wehats the command to format the cf card from the zaurus? |
| 00:31.55 | Com[Plex] | mkfs.msdos /dex/hda1 ? |
| 00:33.03 | kergoth`bbl | Com[Plex]: mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 00:33.19 | Com[Plex] | ahhh |
| 00:33.22 | Com[Plex] | that explains it |
| 00:33.36 | kergoth`bbl | -F 16 makes it fat16. otherwise it could very well end up fat32, which you cant flash with |
| 00:33.54 | Com[Plex] | heh. well. it didnt work anyway. |
| 00:34.06 | Com[Plex] | I dont get it. the zaurus cant read this card anymore. |
| 00:34.14 | Com[Plex] | my reader/writer sees it fine. |
| 00:34.20 | Com[Plex] | but the zaurus doesnt. |
| 00:34.24 | kergoth`bbl | odd |
| 00:34.25 | Com[Plex] | no wonder I coudlnt flash with it |
| 00:35.36 | Com[Plex] | the funny thing is, if I plug it into my reader, my reader mounts it fine, but if Iplug in this new 128 i got, the stupid reader thinks its been disconencted. |
| 00:35.44 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* |
| 00:35.57 | Com[Plex] | I cant afford another reader/writer right now.. |
| 00:35.59 | Com[Plex] | this blows |
| 00:36.49 | Com[Plex] | I get an input output error when I try to fsck it |
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| 00:39.04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: !!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:39.08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: how do i test this kernel! |
| 00:39.14 | TheMasterMind1 | compile rather |
| 00:39.30 | Com[Plex] | mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1 ; says this error. "the filesystem will be misinterpreted as having a 12 bit fat without mount option "fat=16" |
| 00:39.45 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: cp arch/arm/def-configs/collie .config; make menuconfig; .. select stuff .. make dep; make zImage; cp arch/arm/boot/zImage /path/to/your/cf/card/ |
| 00:39.48 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 00:40.30 | ljp | I'm tired of you guys discussing openzaurus on the zaurus channel :) |
| 00:40.49 | kergoth`bbl | ~lart ljp |
| 00:41.05 | kergoth`bbl | that guys last post was funny as hell |
| 00:41.13 | kergoth`bbl | he obviously doesnt know i cc'd the list on every one of my replies. |
| 00:41.15 | kergoth`bbl | lol |
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| 00:47.18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: do i need to select/deselect anything? |
| 00:47.30 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: well, pcmcia isnt enabled by default, since it doesnt work.. |
| 00:51.18 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: its in general or something |
| 00:51.21 | TheMasterMind1 | aha |
| 00:51.22 | TheMasterMind1 | found it |
| 00:51.23 | TheMasterMind1 | its hiding |
| 00:51.24 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: the option about hot plug or something |
| 00:51.26 | kergoth`bbl | yea |
| 00:51.56 | TheMasterMind1 | which options do i need? |
| 00:52.14 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: dont forget ide support and stuff |
| 00:52.17 | TheMasterMind1 | <*> PCMCIA/CardBus support [ ] i82365 compatible bridge support (NEW) [ ] Databook TCIC host bridge support (NEW) <*> SA1100 support |
| 00:52.29 | kergoth`bbl | thats fine |
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| 00:52.38 | kergoth`bbl | dont forget support for pcmcia network/wireless/ide |
| 00:52.45 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
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| 00:52.52 | ljp | damn it! this is the #zaurus channel, not #openzaurus!! :D |
| 00:53.32 | JasonNJ | yeah kergoth, cant you make people not talk about OZ? |
| 00:53.38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: don't you have to not enable pcmcia in the kernel to be able to use pcmcia-cs? |
| 00:54.01 | Com[Plex] | omfg. www.mrflashusa.com gone? |
| 00:54.11 | ljp | god, next he will talk about oz on #opie too |
| 00:54.14 | Com[Plex] | guess that means no warrantee on my fuckign cf card. :< |
| 00:54.59 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: we arent using the pcmcia-cs drivers |
| 00:55.03 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: only cardmgr and shit |
| 00:56.04 | kergoth`bbl | JasonNJ: sure, i -could- use my godlike powers to make people do the right thing, i just wont to piss people off |
| 00:56.19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: ah, ok |
| 00:56.43 | kergoth`bbl | s/wont/want/ |
| 00:58.16 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa, it uses arm-linux automatically |
| 00:58.18 | TheMasterMind1 | how'd you do that |
| 00:58.31 | Com[Plex] | anyoen knwo there that site is that lets you load up what a web page was, like 6 months ago? |
| 00:58.40 | Com[Plex] | I tried www.internetarchive.com but that wasnt it |
| 00:58.53 | TheMasterMind1 | archive.org |
| 00:58.57 | TheMasterMind1 | google cache |
| 00:59.02 | Com[Plex] | ah yesgot it. thanks |
| 00:59.13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:59.16 | TheMasterMind1 | i doubt pcmcia will work |
| 00:59.28 | TheMasterMind1 | sa1100_generic got completely revamped |
| 01:00.07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: do i have to set the CONFIG_CMDLINE stuff? |
| 01:00.40 | TheMasterMind1 | sa1100_generic.c:633: `MECR_UDELAY' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 01:00.41 | TheMasterMind1 | yay! |
| 01:00.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 01:03.25 | kergoth`bbl | you really aren't *that* important, |
| 01:03.26 | kergoth`bbl | > and your self-centered arrogance doesn't become you. |
| 01:03.29 | kergoth`bbl | bahahaha |
| 01:04.00 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:04.11 | kergoth`bbl | people amuse me |
| 01:04.19 | TheMasterMind1 | sa1100_collie.c:87: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type |
| 01:04.19 | TheMasterMind1 | sa1100_collie.c: At top level: |
| 01:04.19 | TheMasterMind1 | sa1100_collie.c:119: warning: `struct pcmcia_state_array' declared inside parameter list |
| 01:04.19 | TheMasterMind1 | sa1100_collie.c: In function `collie_pcmcia_socket_state': |
| 01:04.20 | TheMasterMind1 | heheheh |
| 01:04.31 | kergoth`bbl | apparently wanting to support people who use a project I maintain is arrogance |
| 01:04.33 | ljp | collie schmollie |
| 01:04.47 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid sa1100_collie.c |
| 01:04.49 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: you missed an include |
| 01:04.50 | TheMasterMind1 | that's entirely lineo code |
| 01:04.55 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 01:04.56 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: in that file |
| 01:05.01 | TheMasterMind1 | what include |
| 01:05.06 | ljp | arrogant bastard! |
| 01:05.13 | TheMasterMind1 | sa1100_collie.c:26: asm/arch/pcmcia.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:05.14 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 01:05.15 | TheMasterMind1 | i see it |
| 01:05.15 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: whatever declares struct pcmcia_state_array |
| 01:05.18 | kergoth`bbl | there ya go ) |
| 01:05.19 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 01:05.28 | TheMasterMind1 | that file got deleted or something :) no longer exists |
| 01:05.34 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i found where they put the stuff though |
| 01:06.40 | TheMasterMind1 | yay, it built |
| 01:06.44 | TheMasterMind1 | progress! |
| 01:06.44 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 01:06.56 | TheMasterMind1 | so, if this works.. the lights on my wifi card should come on right? |
| 01:07.12 | ljp | its frickin pizza night here at opie west |
| 01:07.13 | TheMasterMind1 | at the very least |
| 01:07.46 | TheMasterMind1 | and opie east? |
| 01:08.01 | ljp | they are sleeping |
| 01:08.33 | ljp | man this monitor is nicer than my mac 19" |
| 01:10.23 | JasonNJ | do you guys know of some warez WindowsCE channel where someone is trying to get CE to run on a Zaurus? |
| 01:10.35 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 01:10.36 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 01:10.38 | nadav | lmao |
| 01:10.39 | TheMasterMind1 | why would anyone want to do that?! |
| 01:10.50 | JasonNJ | I know of a guy who is attempting to do it officially at MS |
| 01:10.51 | Com[Plex] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.57 | TheMasterMind1 | them opensource CE devels will make all the fixes to get it to run |
| 01:11.11 | ljp | officially? |
| 01:11.32 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa! |
| 01:11.33 | TheMasterMind1 | its a penguin! |
| 01:11.35 | JasonNJ | well |
| 01:11.39 | TheMasterMind1 | small penguin |
| 01:11.44 | TheMasterMind1 | on the screen! |
| 01:11.46 | ljp | officially non official |
| 01:11.46 | TheMasterMind1 | of my zaurus!! |
| 01:11.47 | JasonNJ | its actually a guy at a company called Special Computing |
| 01:11.57 | JasonNJ | down in Arizona |
| 01:12.02 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 01:12.04 | Com[Plex] | well, it works on ipaq, no reason it wouldnt on the zaurus |
| 01:12.09 | JasonNJ | he does a lot of consulting for MS, helps create device profiles for CE |
| 01:12.15 | ljp | ahh they would sell a few images if they did get it running |
| 01:12.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: now what.. its just sitting there.. no debug output or anything? |
| 01:12.38 | JasonNJ | we sent him a unit WAY back to do the port, but the 16MB of ROM space is a serious limiter for pocket pc |
| 01:12.45 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: debug messages default to serial. change your kernel CMDLINE to remove console=, and enable console on VT, and you'll see messages |
| 01:12.50 | JasonNJ | so he is trying to do some wacky frankestein thing with CE.NET 4.0 |
| 01:13.00 | TheMasterMind1 | NOW you tell me.. |
| 01:13.00 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: remember, unless you swipe ipaq's usbf hotplug stuff, the usb networking connection wont come up on the Z automatically |
| 01:13.02 | TheMasterMind1 | *sigh* |
| 01:13.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: damn. |
| 01:13.13 | TheMasterMind1 | so i'm pretty much stuck |
| 01:13.13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:13.19 | TheMasterMind1 | how nice |
| 01:13.21 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: yep. grab those scripts and you should be set |
| 01:13.22 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: or.. |
| 01:13.31 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: disable the sa1100 eth in the sa1100 config, and enable usbd |
| 01:13.32 | TheMasterMind1 | scripts are part of the kernel? |
| 01:13.34 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: and try that :) |
| 01:13.35 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: no |
| 01:13.41 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: they're scripts in /etc/hotplug/, like our usbd ones |
| 01:13.47 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, fun |
| 01:14.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: how do i enable console on VT to see debug messages |
| 01:14.09 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: its in console config in menuconfig |
| 01:14.13 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: right under wher eyou enable VT |
| 01:14.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, got it |
| 01:14.47 | TheMasterMind1 | the lights on my wifi didn't come on |
| 01:14.48 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 01:16.12 | JasonNJ | hack that kernel, woohoo |
| 01:16.20 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: lets take this to #openzaurus before we get flamed :P |
| 01:16.28 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:18.06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: how do i turn this off.. i switch to battery mode and the penguin is still there :) |
| 01:19.14 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: you dont |
| 01:19.18 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: and.. the battery isnt charging |
| 01:19.20 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 01:19.28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: hmm, not very helpful.. the debug stuff scrolls by really fast and i can't see anything cuz of no backlight and the last thing it says is "kernel panic" |
| 01:19.36 | kergoth`bbl | panic? |
| 01:19.37 | kergoth`bbl | haha |
| 01:19.37 | TheMasterMind1 | attempted to kill init |
| 01:19.38 | kergoth`bbl | thats not good |
| 01:19.52 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: check your kernel CMDLINE, make sure root=/dev/mtdblock2 |
| 01:20.04 | TheMasterMind1 | CONFIG_CMDLINE="root=/dev/mtdblock2 rootfstype=jffs2 ro" |
| 01:20.13 | TheMasterMind1 | Code: bad PC value |
| 01:20.20 | TheMasterMind1 | bunch of backtrace stuff before that |
| 01:20.20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:20.25 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: ah, it dumped a strack trace.. yep, thats bad |
| 01:20.33 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: probably deref'd a NULL pointer or something |
| 01:20.35 | TheMasterMind1 | oh joy |
| 01:20.38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:20.51 | TheMasterMind1 | can't do much without a serial cable |
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| 01:25.40 | Com[Plex] | my zaurus cant read my old 128 cf card. |
| 01:25.48 | Com[Plex] | lucky I bought a new one, or Id be extra screwed |
| 01:26.13 | Com[Plex] | unfortunately, mrflash has gone out of business or something. |
| 01:26.35 | Com[Plex] | so I take the cf card apart to see what kind of chips it has, and get this. - freakin samsung. |
| 01:26.42 | Com[Plex] | the same kind thats on the NEW one I got. |
| 01:26.57 | Com[Plex] | or rather, the one I got now has "samsung" printed on the card. |
| 01:27.01 | jonezr | Does the cf card work in anything else? |
| 01:27.04 | Com[Plex] | probably has TI chips ot soemthing. lol. |
| 01:27.17 | Com[Plex] | yeah jonezr: it does. I can see it jsut fine in my cf card reader/writer |
| 01:27.49 | jonezr | I hear you need a vfat format? |
| 01:27.58 | JasonNJ | http://findadeath.com/Christmas/santa%20grave.jpg |
| 01:28.11 | jonezr | maybe its ntfs or ext2? |
| 01:28.42 | Com[Plex] | no, the zaurus can mount all those. - its fat16 formatted. jsut like the other one. |
| 01:28.59 | Com[Plex] | I checked and recheked. |
| 01:29.04 | jonezr | oh ok |
| 01:29.21 | Com[Plex] | in fact, I formatted both cards using the same reader, and formatting the same way, the zaurus reads one and not the other |
| 01:29.31 | Com[Plex] | im Pissed |
| 01:29.38 | jonezr | heh I bet |
| 01:30.13 | Neo|Work | hrm. how many got that msg from Sharp about listing apps on http://more.zaurusworld.ne.jp/ ? |
| 01:31.13 | JasonNJ | Neo: how's your japanese? :) |
| 01:32.02 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: not so good. :P but I assume they would translate any description etc |
| 01:32.06 | Neo|Work | I got the email forwarded to me |
| 01:32.09 | mark | neo: not i |
| 01:32.20 | Neo|Work | warmi got it, Pyrogon (candy cruncher) got it |
| 01:32.30 | Neo|Work | strange if they didn't send it to everyone or something |
| 01:32.48 | JasonNJ | neo: dont feel bad, they are all screwed up over there |
| 01:33.00 | Neo|Work | mark: did you get a mail from handango in regards to free translations to japanese, chineese and korean? |
| 01:33.04 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: heh |
| 01:33.16 | mark | Neo|Work: software or the info? |
| 01:33.27 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: over there? the mail is originated from sharpsec.com. :) |
| 01:33.34 | Neo|Work | mark: info |
| 01:33.48 | Neo|Work | and this time I mean truely free, i.e no "additioan 15% fee" or any crap like that |
| 01:34.07 | mark | neo: i remember something like that, but i think i lost it in my hdd crash |
| 01:34.20 | JasonNJ | oh man do I have heartburn now |
| 01:34.30 | mark | neo: someones made a knights binary available and linked from it ZSI. grr. |
| 01:34.48 | Neo|Work | I bit on it this time because there were no papers to sign, no hidden fees or clauses etc |
| 01:35.04 | mark | how many Zs are there in china? |
| 01:35.04 | Neo|Work | not that they ever removed the japanese translations they did w/o asking previously (on SA, bustem etc) |
| 01:35.12 | Neo|Work | Probably not many more than 0 |
| 01:35.17 | ljp | mark: change the link :) |
| 01:35.36 | mark | neo: hehe |
| 01:35.37 | Neo|Work | afaik the only Z markets are Japan, US, UK and DE |
| 01:35.45 | Neo|Work | of course with some bleeding outside of those areas |
| 01:36.05 | ljp | oh, that reminds me.. I need to drink some cheap rum |
| 01:38.13 | mark | neo: hoping for a post christmas sales boost? |
| 01:38.41 | Neo|Work | DAMMIT!!! |
| 01:38.48 | Neo|Work | I can't even watch a movie on this broken box now |
| 01:39.10 | JasonNJ | Neo: The Terminatress is hot. |
| 01:39.13 | TheMasterMind1 | don't you hate that |
| 01:39.17 | TheMasterMind1 | terminatress? |
| 01:39.39 | JasonNJ | blond with big boobs in red leather. |
| 01:40.00 | JasonNJ | I guarantee, 50 mil on opening weekend |
| 01:40.08 | TheMasterMind1 | ooohhhh |
| 01:40.09 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 01:41.32 | TheMasterMind1 | where do i find a pic...? |
| 01:41.50 | Com[Plex] | www.killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 01:41.52 | JasonNJ | lol the terminator3.com site |
| 01:42.01 | JasonNJ | I love the skynet bootup messages |
| 01:42.07 | JasonNJ | it looks like the linux kernel!!! |
| 01:42.54 | TheMasterMind1 | blah, i don't wanna install flash |
| 01:43.07 | Neo|Work | dude, T3 trailer is awesome |
| 01:43.15 | Neo|Work | looks like there will be more bad ass future shots |
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| 01:46.01 | JasonNJ | http://www.terminator3.com/content/image_downloads/photography/TXreveal.jpg |
| 01:46.05 | JasonNJ | the terminatress. |
| 01:46.16 | JasonNJ | oh man we gotta make a terminatress opie theme |
| 01:47.28 | Neo|Work | she's definitely... cool. :) |
| 01:48.28 | Neo|Work | nice to be able to watch quicktime (well, soerensen) trailers in Linux nowadays |
| 01:48.39 | Neo|Work | seems like it's apple's niche |
| 01:50.22 | TheMasterMind1 | yep, mplayer++ |
| 01:50.46 | Neo|Work | mplayer is the worst program to compile and has the worlds rudest developers / error messages |
| 01:50.51 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 01:50.51 | Neo|Work | but it's by far the best player |
| 01:51.00 | TheMasterMind1 | indeed |
| 01:51.06 | Neo|Work | a true universal player |
| 01:51.10 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer's compiling isn't that bad really |
| 01:51.15 | Neo|Work | well, not really |
| 01:51.21 | Neo|Work | it's just that you need a shitload of crap |
| 01:51.23 | TheMasterMind1 | and i can sympathize with the devels |
| 01:51.24 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 01:51.44 | Neo|Work | well, it's quite unnecessary to have a segfault error message that states that the code is perfect and you're a moron, really |
| 01:52.03 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:52.14 | mark | yeah, the FAQ is mainly, 'we r0x0r, you are a sUx0r luser' |
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| 01:53.17 | Neo|Work | - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen. It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read DOCS/bugreports.html and follow instructions there. We can't and won't help unless you provide these informations when reporting a possible bug. |
| 01:53.23 | Neo|Work | guess it isn't quite so rude anymore |
| 01:53.36 | Neo|Work | they forgot the _or_ your BROKEN HARDWARE too |
| 01:53.36 | jonezr | xine > mplayer |
| 01:53.43 | Neo|Work | which in this case is the known cause |
| 01:53.48 | Neo|Work | xine sucks |
| 01:53.54 | Neo|Work | I never got that app to play a movie correctly |
| 01:53.54 | jonezr | No it doesn't.. |
| 01:53.58 | jonezr | the plugins sucks.. |
| 01:54.00 | Neo|Work | and it has the worst damn UI ever |
| 01:54.02 | jonezr | The program rocks. |
| 01:54.09 | jonezr | Make a new one then. |
| 01:54.14 | Neo|Work | it locks up like all the time |
| 01:54.21 | jonezr | not for me.. |
| 01:54.22 | Neo|Work | and without plugins it's a gui so what damn good is it then? :P |
| 01:54.38 | jonezr | probably locks up on all that shitty kazaa kiddie porn you download. |
| 01:54.56 | jonezr | I use it in console all the time |
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| 01:55.08 | jonezr | with the aalib plugin :/ |
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| 01:55.18 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:55.24 | *** kick/#zaurus [jonezr!~neotron@207.188.30.40] by Neo|Work (dude, not funny. go away) |
| 01:55.24 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer has an aalib thing too |
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| 01:55.31 | mark | hehe, i saw that comming |
| 01:55.38 | jonezr | don't be childish.. |
| 01:56.01 | Neo|Work | you're the one with unappropriate and uncalled for comments thank you very much |
| 01:56.06 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o JasonNJ] by ChanServ |
| 01:56.07 | jonezr | I was jk'ing |
| 01:56.23 | Neo|Work | well, that's why you were just kicked, not banned... |
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| 01:57.57 | jonezr | Take a picture |
| 01:58.04 | Neo|Work | jonezr: trying to be banned? |
| 01:58.23 | *** mode/#zaurus [+b *!*@s4a-159.olypen.com] by JasonNJ |
| 01:58.23 | Neo|Work | my memory in this box is fscked. I'm not in a good mode. Don't try me |
| 01:58.26 | *** kick/#zaurus [jonezr!~perlow@ool-435125f3.dyn.optonline.net] by JasonNJ (JasonNJ) |
| 01:58.31 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 01:58.32 | Neo|Work | :P |
| 01:58.46 | bigezy | hello Neo |
| 01:59.04 | bigezy | I didnt expect anyone to be talking |
| 01:59.05 | Neo|Work | hey |
| 01:59.11 | Neo|Work | why so? |
| 01:59.17 | mark | jason.ego++ ;) |
| 01:59.23 | Neo|Work | this channel is often quite active.. sometimes it's entirely dead, but.. |
| 01:59.24 | bigezy | most group are usually quiet when i get in them |
| 01:59.36 | bigezy | guess I just got lucky |
| 02:00.00 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 02:00.22 | bigezy | I just got a Z a couple weeks ago... Thought I would come by and check this channel out |
| 02:00.24 | JasonNJ | mark: I dont do it that often |
| 02:00.57 | mark | JasonNJ: i know. haven't seen u do it before actually |
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| 02:01.46 | Neo|Work | bigezy: well, plug - I'm eongames.com. :P |
| 02:02.17 | bigezy | I will check it out. I didnt buy the Z for games though. |
| 02:02.58 | Neo|Work | games are never wrong. ;-) |
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| 02:03.35 | bigezy | Yeah, if my obsession with work wouldn't get in the way. |
| 02:03.58 | Neo|Work | heh, well, I rarely have time for games because I'm too busy porting tehm etc |
| 02:04.01 | JasonNJ | dammit, we need an op in #openzaurus |
| 02:04.27 | Neo|Work | the j person being stupid again? |
| 02:05.26 | mark | JasonNJ: hmm, kergoth sould be back ssoon |
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| 02:05.53 | bigezy | This channel isn't so bad a first glance. It seems there are a few people around. |
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| 02:07.48 | ljp | suppose I should get some of my apps unicode ready |
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| 02:26.09 | JasonNJ | had to yank that idiot from zaurus-general |
| 02:29.14 | Com[Plex] | wtf! |
| 02:29.22 | Com[Plex] | my fucking digitiser isnt working!! |
| 02:30.36 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* |
| 02:30.41 | Com[Plex] | I cant calibrate my z |
| 02:31.06 | Com[Plex] | ugh.. reboot fixed it.. |
| 02:31.39 | Com[Plex] | first boot after flashing 3.1 there was only a small box on the lcd that would respond to taps. |
| 02:31.44 | Com[Plex] | at the bottom left |
| 02:32.07 | DaJoker | JasonNJ: yank a few more please |
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| 02:37.02 | treke|home | god that guy on the list is a f*n moron |
| 02:41.40 | JasonNJ | man last week's south park was hilarious |
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| 02:46.15 | jce | anyone run kismet? |
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| 04:27.46 | NeoTron | anyone here have any experience of breaking encrypted 802.11b networks? |
| 04:32.14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:32.19 | TheMasterMind1 | wep ? |
| 04:33.13 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 04:33.25 | NeoTron | i.e any links to programs that relatively quickly can crack it? |
| 04:33.48 | NeoTron | they are setting up a wep network at work and I mentioned that it might not be very secure.. |
| 04:37.12 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
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| 04:37.31 | TheMasterMind1 | bsd has an excellent wep cracking suite as part of their bsdairtools |
| 04:37.49 | TheMasterMind1 | you can use airsnort in linux, i don't think its as good |
| 04:38.14 | TheMasterMind1 | you're best off with the bsd airtools |
| 04:38.22 | TheMasterMind1 | leave em running overnight and see if they can get it |
| 04:38.29 | TheMasterMind1 | takes a lot of packets to do anything though |
| 04:38.42 | TheMasterMind1 | something like a million packets before it can start cracking or some such |
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| 05:08.50 | HermosaGuy | has anyone got LIRC to work with the retail ROM or am i just stupid? |
| 05:14.33 | HermosaGuy | is any one awake? |
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| 05:19.49 | HermosaGuy | morning |
| 05:22.22 | HermosaGuy | hello? |
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| 05:28.52 | treke|laptop | ooh cool. rubics cube for the z |
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| 05:53.55 | HermosaGuy | any one use lirc on the zaurus? |
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| 06:29.37 | yesicanabus | any one around? |
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| 06:30.59 | gamble6x | Hello all. |
| 06:31.18 | badl | most are asleep at this time of day |
| 06:31.54 | gamble6x | my timing seems to usually be that way. |
| 06:31.54 | yesicanabus | hehe |
| 06:31.57 | gamble6x | :-) |
| 06:32.15 | yesicanabus | im looking for kergoth |
| 06:32.52 | gamble6x | I was curious though if anyone here would know of a product that could convert a PCMCIA card into CF. So that you could plug a PCMCIA card into the converter and the converter into the CF slot on a Zaurus. |
| 06:34.21 | badl | gamble6x: not sure about that, however CF is PCMCIA in a smaller form factor |
| 06:36.43 | gamble6x | yeah, that's why I was hoping to find something for it, but it's very hard to search for online, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a brand. |
| 06:39.24 | KhensU | like this ? http://www.semsons.com/comflastopcc.html |
| 06:39.56 | gamble6x | exactly, thank you. |
| 06:45.54 | gamble6x | now the only question is will the Zaurus be able to use my 3com PCMCIA network card without needed a special driver for it. heeheh |
| 06:46.55 | yesicanabus | hey did any one ever figure out how to install open zaurus withought a cf card? |
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| 06:49.35 | oGMo | yesicanabus: a rom flasher? ;) |
| 06:49.43 | oGMo | if that's even possible |
| 06:50.32 | yesicanabus | hehe |
| 06:51.03 | yesicanabus | well i was talking to kergoth and he said it might be posable to load the image onto the onboard ram and install |
| 06:51.09 | yesicanabus | he said he was going to look into it |
| 06:51.44 | oGMo | hmm |
| 06:52.04 | oGMo | someone should upgrade the boot loader, although i dunno if there's the space |
| 06:52.15 | oGMo | theoretically you could flash via USB or something, right? |
| 06:52.27 | yesicanabus | yea |
| 06:52.41 | yesicanabus | he talked about that but he said he didnt know how to impliment it. |
| 06:54.01 | oGMo | i'd think it'd be a pita |
| 06:55.30 | yesicanabus | pita? |
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| 06:58.23 | oGMo | pain in the ass |
| 06:58.41 | yesicanabus | hehe yea i would imagen it would be |
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| 07:18.14 | HermosaGuy | morning |
| 07:24.05 | HermosaGuy | is any one there? |
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| 07:31.49 | H4NZ0 | anyone using zbedic ? |
| 07:43.12 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 07:45.00 | HermosaGuy | anyone use lirc? |
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| 08:06.14 | kergoth`bbl | hey |
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| 08:10.30 | Com[Plex] | heh |
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| 11:22.17 | NetAmp | 'lo |
| 11:22.28 | NetAmp | ibot: slashdot |
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| 11:24.16 | NetAmp | Rise of the Triad Source Code Released, cool |
| 11:24.41 | NetAmp | let's port it :P |
| 11:25.16 | mark | NetAmp: feel free :) |
| 11:25.22 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 11:26.40 | NetAmp | Have you ever tried IrDA networking? Or has anyone even |
| 11:27.24 | NetAmp | It's probably slow as can be but I thought it'd be fun to connect my Z and laptop without cables ;) |
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| 11:56.50 | badl | NetAmp: i would like to try networking over IrDA -- but unfortuantely i have a *Dell* ;) |
| 11:57.18 | NetAmp | whoop |
| 11:57.18 | NetAmp | s |
| 11:57.20 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 11:57.41 | NetAmp | badl: they don't do IrDA? |
| 11:57.43 | NetAmp | :S |
| 11:58.24 | badl | NetAmp: they do (mine has it) but it don't work from the box -- and i can't be bothered problem solving it ;) |
| 11:58.33 | NetAmp | ow ;-) |
| 11:58.38 | NetAmp | mine works... |
| 11:58.47 | badl | lucky |
| 11:58.49 | NetAmp | I exchanged VCards with a Nokia |
| 11:58.54 | NetAmp | 6610i |
| 11:58.57 | badl | USB on mine is shit too :( |
| 11:59.03 | NetAmp | but it doesn't seem to respond to the Zaurus |
| 11:59.30 | NetAmp | the Zaurus tries to beam something for a few seconds, I guess there's no response from WinXP on the laptop |
| 11:59.31 | badl | have you connected to the net via your nokia and Z? |
| 11:59.54 | NetAmp | no I haven't, it was a colleagues' Nokia phone |
| 12:00.09 | NetAmp | mine doesn't even have IrDA, it's an antique 5110 :P ;-) |
| 12:00.37 | NetAmp | but I know beaming works |
| 12:00.44 | NetAmp | on the Z |
| 12:00.55 | badl | hehe wouldn't be as antique as mine ;) nokia 252 |
| 12:00.59 | NetAmp | hah |
| 12:01.17 | NetAmp | lol |
| 12:01.27 | NetAmp | well I don't need the fancy color screen stuff |
| 12:01.42 | NetAmp | It just has to do what it should, namely communicate |
| 12:02.17 | NetAmp | and sadly internet through GSM/GPRS is way too expensive here (Netherlands) anyway |
| 12:02.49 | badl | yeah, here in NZ.... we pay lke $20 per meg for GSM/GPRS! |
| 12:02.57 | NetAmp | :o |
| 12:03.12 | NetAmp | dang |
| 12:03.15 | NetAmp | that's freaky |
| 12:03.24 | NetAmp | I would die looking at the phone bill ;) |
| 12:03.24 | badl | yep |
| 12:03.33 | badl | thats why i still have a 252 ;) |
| 12:03.38 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 12:03.54 | NetAmp | we also have that iMode crap |
| 12:04.00 | NetAmp | Okay it works for the Japanese |
| 12:04.06 | NetAmp | but I think it sucks bigtime |
| 12:04.47 | NetAmp | oh well it's sort of a successor of WAP |
| 12:04.53 | NetAmp | graphical |
| 12:04.55 | NetAmp | but lame :P |
| 12:04.58 | badl | ic |
| 12:05.10 | badl | kinda like RIP was like to the BBS days? |
| 12:05.19 | NetAmp | hah probably ;) |
| 12:06.13 | NetAmp | instead they should've worked on a 'real' internet solution |
| 12:06.15 | NetAmp | but nooooo |
| 12:06.45 | badl | local telco's are alwasy screwing things up |
| 12:06.53 | NetAmp | indeed, our leading phone company bought GPRS frequencies for millions |
| 12:07.03 | NetAmp | but do they use them? nah |
| 12:07.07 | badl | hehe |
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| 15:27.25 | Dilb | hi |
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| 15:27.49 | Guest | hello |
| 15:28.45 | cgDEF | does OZ 3.0 support ext3? |
| 15:30.37 | nadav | it supports ext2.. i don't know about ext3 |
| 15:33.49 | nadav | hm. |
| 15:35.01 | Com[Plex] | uh.... |
| 15:35.19 | Com[Plex] | it supoprts ext3 |
| 15:36.02 | nadav | heh |
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| 16:13.17 | mark | NeoTron: have you seen SDL crashes when initializing audio? a gdb bt tells me its crashing in libpthread |
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| 17:00.34 | kolla | http://www.tiqit.com/ |
| 17:05.00 | angry | wow |
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| 17:10.29 | asys3 | ibot sl-5600 |
| 17:10.30 | | somebody said sl-5600 was the newest zaurus, announced Nov12. More info available at http://www.sharpusa.com/products/FunctionPressReleases/0,1079,32,00.html and http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1016,00.html and photos available at http://psifertex.com/gallery/sl5600, or http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1027,00.html |
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| 17:20.58 | George- | TTT is awesome |
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| 17:28.40 | kolla | TTT? |
| 17:28.59 | George- | The Two Towers |
| 17:29.13 | George- | hrmm.. A friend of mine is getting a Fujitsu laptop with a 933MHz Crusoe |
| 17:29.21 | George- | It'll be interesting to see how well it performs... |
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| 18:10.55 | George- | is 7.5 gigaflops fast? |
| 18:12.11 | George- | =P |
| 18:15.53 | kergoth | hey George- |
| 18:18.43 | George- | hi kergoth |
| 18:18.49 | George- | kergoth: I still am without my laptop |
| 18:18.56 | George- | It's depressing |
| 18:19.15 | kergoth | heheh. how long's it going to take em? |
| 18:19.21 | George- | I don't think I'll get it back before school starts again :( |
| 18:19.32 | George- | Fucking ages |
| 18:20.17 | George- | I haven't recieved any news from them |
| 18:20.26 | George- | but they said they normally get it back in two weeks |
| 18:20.29 | George- | It's over xmas |
| 18:20.35 | George- | so I think prolly 3-4 weeks :( |
| 18:20.45 | kergoth | that sucks. |
| 18:21.12 | George- | yeh, well |
| 18:21.17 | George- | They have to replace a lotta stuff :) |
| 18:21.41 | George- | LCD, outer bezel, psu.. |
| 18:21.50 | George- | logic board |
| 18:21.53 | George- | maybe battery |
| 18:23.18 | treke|home | man, what did you do to the thing? |
| 18:24.13 | George- | treke|home: nothing? |
| 18:24.27 | George- | treke|home: design/manufacturing faults |
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| 18:27.16 | George- | treke|home: I don't play football with my laptop :) |
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| 19:17.11 | storpik | Goodbye, i's been wonderful chatting with you all |
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| 20:33.51 | ljp | sorry, I dont lean that way :) |
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| 21:02.52 | warmi | hi |
| 21:04.11 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 21:06.06 | warmi | I actually make some use of one of these shopping list apps available for the ZAuurs |
| 21:06.11 | warmi | it came quite handy today |
| 21:06.18 | warmi | make=made |
| 21:06.34 | tux_mike | cool |
| 21:06.44 | warmi | yeah .. high tech shopping |
| 21:06.50 | warmi | for potatos and such .. |
| 21:06.51 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:07.00 | tux_mike | lol |
| 21:07.12 | warmi | you guys convinced me |
| 21:07.17 | tux_mike | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/5a47/ i want |
| 21:07.23 | warmi | I will go see LOTR 2 this weekend |
| 21:07.37 | tux_mike | cool |
| 21:07.54 | warmi | wtf is that .. a mini fake light saber ? |
| 21:07.55 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:08.04 | tux_mike | green laser pointer |
| 21:08.12 | tux_mike | much cooler than the boring red |
| 21:08.12 | warmi | yeah .. j/k |
| 21:08.39 | tux_mike | and if you amplify the power enough, then it will be a mini light saber :) |
| 21:08.46 | warmi | yeah . but with red one you can scare people - it looks just like a laser used on the guns |
| 21:09.01 | tux_mike | but snipers don't use lasers |
| 21:09.10 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 21:09.13 | warmi | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/5a47/action/ |
| 21:11.15 | warmi | yeah .. got to go .. my lamb chops are very much ready |
| 21:11.18 | warmi | see you later |
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| 21:40.39 | HermosaGuy | any one use lirc on the z? |
| 21:50.48 | George- | lirc? |
| 21:57.26 | badl | remote control program |
| 21:57.34 | badl | lirc that is |
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| 22:00.38 | George- | http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=stfu&Find=Find |
| 22:00.41 | George- | hahaha |
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| 22:23.25 | George- | WAHOO! |
| 22:23.34 | George- | I've sold... *ONE* copy of my application |
| 22:23.41 | George- | In the past *3* weeks :) |
| 22:26.09 | ljp | whats your app? |
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| 22:27.05 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 22:28.17 | ljp | well?! george?! what is it?! |
| 22:28.28 | mark | George-: ping |
| 22:28.43 | ljp | hello!? McFry?!?! |
| 22:28.45 | George- | hi |
| 22:28.49 | ljp | heh just kiddin |
| 22:28.54 | nullman | George-: we're all waiting... |
| 22:29.02 | George- | ljp: http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=CD8138CFD9DF96D1BA6B4C1439D1X2E7&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=48578§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 22:29.04 | George- | blah |
| 22:29.15 | mark | George-: wow, u had a sale! |
| 22:29.23 | ljp | ahh |
| 22:29.31 | ljp | one |
| 22:29.46 | ljp | prize winning?! |
| 22:30.12 | George- | ljp: yeh =P |
| 22:30.17 | George- | ljp: I won the Zaurus :) |
| 22:30.18 | ljp | does it do php? |
| 22:30.24 | George- | ljp: I don't know PHP, so no |
| 22:30.25 | ljp | hmm kinda |
| 22:30.34 | mark | George-: does it do my washing? |
| 22:30.47 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:30.55 | George- | mark: hell yeh |
| 22:30.56 | xml | hmm, why would you want to do html editing on the z? |
| 22:31.09 | ljp | george: start whoopin' and hypin' it up! sell more! |
| 22:31.43 | ljp | write a press release and send it to linuxdevices like tkc does |
| 22:31.46 | George- | ljp: I have better things to do :) |
| 22:31.57 | ljp | sell! sell! sell! |
| 22:32.29 | ljp | mdi interface? |
| 22:32.48 | George- | ljp: yes |
| 22:32.59 | George- | ljp: There's a drop down menu that lists all the currently open documents |
| 22:33.12 | ljp | does it show the web in an html viewer at all? |
| 22:33.21 | ljp | err page |
| 22:33.40 | George- | ljp: yes, if you have opera or konq installed |
| 22:34.12 | ljp | you _could_ supply a simple viewer |
| 22:34.20 | George- | Such as WHAT? |
| 22:35.11 | George- | I'm not gonna go down embedding KHTML into it |
| 22:35.14 | ljp | use QTextBrowser |
| 22:35.17 | George- | or writing my own HTML rendering engine |
| 22:35.18 | ljp | simple |
| 22:35.22 | George- | and QTextBrowser is easy |
| 22:35.28 | mark | oooh, /me wants to see george write an html renderer |
| 22:35.31 | George- | s/easy/too simple/ |
| 22:35.42 | ljp | mark: youi so funny! |
| 22:35.53 | George- | mark: oooh, /me wants to see mark write a Quake III engine for the Z |
| 22:36.04 | ljp | I dont think its too simple. |
| 22:36.15 | ljp | c'mon! it'd be cool! |
| 22:36.16 | George- | stop being asses =P |
| 22:36.26 | George- | ljp: I have no development workstation |
| 22:36.34 | ljp | so |
| 22:36.36 | George- | ljp: My PowerBook is off in Holland |
| 22:36.38 | ljp | skiff |
| 22:36.43 | mark | write it on a piece of paper then key it all in later |
| 22:36.45 | ljp | you have ssh? |
| 22:36.47 | George- | ljp: So what the fuck am I meant to work on? |
| 22:36.57 | ljp | skiff |
| 22:36.58 | George- | I'm on 56k, and I don't wanna stay dialed up all the time |
| 22:37.12 | George- | mark: stfu |
| 22:37.19 | ljp | oh, you pay by the minute? |
| 22:37.35 | George- | no |
| 22:37.57 | mark | George-: what, you mean you can't code without a compiler?!?!? :P |
| 22:38.01 | ljp | still.. how long is that box going to be in holland? |
| 22:38.09 | ljp | Skiffs! |
| 22:38.14 | George- | ljp: a few more weeks |
| 22:38.19 | ljp | _anyone can use the skifs |
| 22:38.23 | George- | mark: oh shut it |
| 22:38.26 | mark | yeh, even george- |
| 22:38.40 | George- | this 56k ties up my dad's fax line, and he doesn't like it |
| 22:38.52 | mark | oh i'm soooo mean |
| 22:38.53 | ljp | bah! |
| 22:38.59 | George- | ljp: YOU go code it |
| 22:39.12 | George- | the HTML Editor is open source |
| 22:39.15 | ljp | tell dad your doing frickin busines! which you _are_! |
| 22:39.18 | George- | go download the bloody code =P |
| 22:39.31 | George- | I wanna make a Reversi/Othello game |
| 22:39.34 | ljp | dude, I can add a QTextBrowser in about 3 minutes |
| 22:39.41 | Com[Plex] | anynoe know if that operacreator I made worked? |
| 22:39.41 | George- | well go do it |
| 22:39.53 | George- | and go release "ljps_special_version_of_html_editor" |
| 22:39.53 | ljp | you should! |
| 22:40.12 | ljp | how do you do syntax highlighting? |
| 22:40.38 | George- | I used a text editor written by someone else |
| 22:40.42 | George- | Which is why the app is GPL |
| 22:40.50 | mark | George-: port KReversi |
| 22:40.53 | George- | Which is why source code is available to everyone |
| 22:40.53 | ljp | hmm |
| 22:40.57 | George- | mark: I wanna SELL stuff |
| 22:41.03 | George- | mark: I need 297 quid |
| 22:41.26 | mark | .. |
| 22:41.38 | George- | omfg |
| 22:41.40 | George- | My z... |
| 22:41.41 | George- | MY Z! |
| 22:41.48 | George- | ARGH |
| 22:41.52 | George- | The LCD has gone wacko |
| 22:42.17 | George- | oh shit |
| 22:42.24 | George- | the LCD won't work |
| 22:43.09 | ljp | irc.freenode.netibot: lart the lcd |
| 22:43.13 | George- | *phew* |
| 22:43.15 | George- | OH PHEW |
| 22:43.18 | ljp | ibot: lart the lcd |
| 22:43.18 | George- | I was worried there |
| 22:43.23 | ljp | blah |
| 22:43.30 | George- | ljp: Well *that* helped my LCD didn't it? |
| 22:43.35 | ljp | yes |
| 22:43.41 | George- | dropping a truckload of old shit on it |
| 22:43.55 | George- | A soft reset didn't want to work |
| 22:43.58 | ljp | its working now isnt it? |
| 22:43.59 | George- | but a hard reset did :) |
| 22:44.09 | ljp | so the lart worked! |
| 22:44.17 | George- | no |
| 22:44.25 | George- | it started working 2 seconds before the lart :) |
| 22:44.32 | ljp | nope |
| 22:44.36 | George- | Why is everyone such a pain in the arse tonight? |
| 22:44.38 | ljp | lag: 3.00 |
| 22:44.51 | ljp | :D |
| 22:45.12 | mark | George-: go onto handango and find pocketpc app sthat look useful and replicate :) |
| 22:45.42 | ljp | damn it kde! go faster! |
| 22:45.43 | George- | mark: I tried that |
| 22:46.06 | George- | ljp: is this your way of *trying* to be nice? |
| 22:46.11 | George- | ljp: or annoying? |
| 22:46.14 | mark | ljp: that'd be /etc/init.d/kde stop, /etc/init.d/gnome start :) |
| 22:46.29 | ljp | no no no... the _make_ 'ing |
| 22:46.57 | George- | Oh wait, I'm so stupid |
| 22:47.01 | George- | It ran out of battery juice |
| 22:47.19 | ljp | th elcd? |
| 22:47.22 | George- | mark: kde and gnome don't have init scripts |
| 22:47.26 | George- | ljp: yeh |
| 22:47.35 | mark | George-: i know |
| 22:47.41 | mark | George-: well they could do |
| 22:47.49 | ljp | hmm, this rum eggnog is a bit strong.. heh |
| 22:48.42 | mark | 'Microsoft Works'. news to me... |
| 22:49.07 | George- | ? |
| 22:49.30 | George- | how do I find out who was stupid enough to buy my app? |
| 22:50.09 | ljp | george: where's that sourcie? |
| 22:50.25 | George- | Walter Reimer |
| 22:50.33 | jonezr | hmm |
| 22:50.34 | ljp | george: have handango alert you when someone purchases |
| 22:50.48 | jonezr | George-: do you provide access to the source for people who buy it? |
| 22:51.15 | George- | jonezr: no, to everyone |
| 22:51.20 | jonezr | hmm |
| 22:51.25 | jonezr | and you used gpl code? |
| 22:51.29 | George- | yes |
| 22:51.31 | mark | George-: someone has started distributing Knights binaries :( |
| 22:51.38 | ljp | boo! |
| 22:51.38 | George- | mark: WHERE??!?!?!?! |
| 22:51.47 | mark | evil person |
| 22:51.48 | ljp | basids! |
| 22:52.00 | George- | ljp: yes? |
| 22:52.05 | George- | ljp: Check your query |
| 22:52.06 | ljp | which evil person? |
| 22:52.14 | mark | ljp: whoevers distributing them :) |
| 22:52.45 | mark | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=261 |
| 22:53.19 | George- | YES!!!! |
| 22:53.32 | mark | George-: lazy arse. |
| 22:53.33 | ljp | yeEVIL! |
| 22:53.36 | George- | I've been waiting for this |
| 22:53.43 | George- | :) |
| 22:53.48 | mark | ljp: tell killefiz that :) |
| 22:53.49 | George- | mark: MY POWERBOOK IS IN HOLLAND |
| 22:54.15 | George- | And I can't afford knights |
| 22:54.19 | George- | and I don't like chess |
| 22:54.38 | George- | mark: sue him :) |
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| 22:54.57 | mark | George-: he's perfectly legal. just morally twisted |
| 22:55.13 | George- | Sue him for emotional distress ! |
| 22:55.19 | jonezr | Its legal to use gpl code and sell it? |
| 22:55.29 | ljp | sure |
| 22:55.34 | jonezr | hmmm |
| 22:55.36 | George- | jonezr: yup |
| 22:55.37 | mark | jonezr: uh, what do red hat and co do? |
| 22:55.39 | ljp | redhat does it |
| 22:55.42 | jonezr | omg |
| 22:55.54 | jonezr | have you read the gpl? |
| 22:55.58 | mark | yes... |
| 22:56.13 | jonezr | I don't think you can sell it.. |
| 22:56.18 | mark | jeeez |
| 22:56.19 | George- | jonezr: ffs, yes you can |
| 22:56.20 | mark | dude |
| 22:56.23 | jonezr | rh doesn't sell any software. |
| 22:56.28 | George- | jonezr: I've had this argument *THAT* many times with mark |
| 22:56.32 | George- | jonezr: And he won |
| 22:56.33 | jonezr | They just sell the convience of the packaging. |
| 22:56.35 | ljp | oi |
| 22:56.40 | mark | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html |
| 22:56.46 | mark | jonezr: read it. |
| 22:56.57 | Dilb | several times |
| 22:56.59 | ljp | well we are only selling the convience of packaging then also! |
| 22:57.27 | George- | jonezr: If mark really wanted to be anal, he could say he's selling the service of compiling the code :) |
| 22:57.32 | jonezr | Thats just pathetic |
| 22:57.38 | jonezr | Selling gpl code. |
| 22:57.50 | Dilb | jonezr: tell RMS :p |
| 22:58.05 | George- | jonezr: He fucking wrote half the thing |
| 22:58.13 | jonezr | uh |
| 22:58.15 | mark | jonezr: get real |
| 22:58.16 | jonezr | the easy half |
| 22:58.32 | George- | jonezr: It's NOT easy |
| 22:58.42 | George- | jonezr: YOU go port it |
| 22:58.49 | George- | jonezr: THEN say it's easy |
| 22:58.51 | jonezr | ok |
| 22:58.59 | mark | wow, someone more ideologically twisted than RMS. |
| 22:59.24 | jonezr | bah |
| 23:00.40 | mark | who sold software |
| 23:00.50 | mark | early GNU software |
| 23:01.08 | Dilb | mark: do you provide knights on a nice tape ? :) |
| 23:01.11 | jonezr | heh |
| 23:01.16 | jonezr | I don't even like the gpl |
| 23:01.27 | jonezr | I would much rather put a BSD license on it. |
| 23:02.01 | Dilb | jonezr: and then you will complain about the fact taht the sources are not provided ? |
| 23:02.23 | jonezr | no |
| 23:02.37 | George- | jonezr: Well don't go bitching at mark |
| 23:02.58 | jonezr | shrug |
| 23:03.10 | George- | mark did a lot of work on knights |
| 23:03.22 | George- | OK, I think I'm going OTT |
| 23:03.30 | jonezr | I don't doubt it. |
| 23:03.41 | jonezr | But alot more work went into GnuChess. |
| 23:03.59 | George- | mark isn't a professional coder |
| 23:04.12 | jonezr | And if you aren't prepared to share some of the wealth with all those contributors then you shouldn't put a price on it. |
| 23:04.15 | George- | I could easily say "A lot more work went into Chessmaster 6000" |
| 23:04.20 | George- | wow, who gives a shit? |
| 23:04.33 | jonezr | heh |
| 23:04.39 | jonezr | YOur bias'd... |
| 23:04.49 | jonezr | You just ripped some gpl code to make money to. |
| 23:04.56 | George- | Oh did I? |
| 23:05.12 | George- | I didn't just "rip some GPL code" |
| 23:05.20 | George- | and I'm not exactly the best of coders |
| 23:05.28 | George- | In fact, I'm shockingly awful |
| 23:05.45 | jonezr | :/ |
| 23:05.49 | George- | as will be verified by ljp who's currently ferreting through the HTML editor sources |
| 23:05.54 | George- | :) |
| 23:06.32 | jonezr | Then why even charge for it? |
| 23:06.45 | George- | why not? |
| 23:07.16 | ljp | cause not everybody wants to set up a xcompiler |
| 23:07.19 | George- | I need some money, I relied on my parents too much, the source is freely available, so what's wrong? |
| 23:07.50 | jonezr | You know whatever. |
| 23:07.57 | jonezr | I don't even really care.. |
| 23:08.04 | jonezr | I would never buy that editor. |
| 23:08.11 | jonezr | I could just install vim of something. |
| 23:08.18 | jonezr | or |
| 23:08.20 | George- | well, you obviously do |
| 23:08.33 | jonezr | Yea I don't care about you. |
| 23:08.36 | George- | who the fuck are you to tell what developers should do with their hard work |
| 23:08.49 | jonezr | I care about the notion of putting a price of supposely OS code. |
| 23:09.01 | George- | We are not putting a price on OS code |
| 23:09.05 | jonezr | ok |
| 23:09.06 | Dilb | ... |
| 23:09.14 | George- | We need to get money from somewhere |
| 23:09.26 | George- | we are not unethical |
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| 23:10.02 | jonezr | you would make more money supporting OS then trying to write it.. |
| 23:10.22 | George- | jonezr: Define supporting? |
| 23:10.32 | jonezr | systems admin |
| 23:10.35 | jonezr | db engineer |
| 23:10.37 | George- | jonezr: I don't have a job, I'm still at school, I have barely any free time |
| 23:10.37 | Dilb | lol |
| 23:10.44 | George- | I'm 14 for fucks sake |
| 23:10.48 | jonezr | I am in high school |
| 23:10.54 | jonezr | I had a good admin job |
| 23:11.20 | George- | jonezr: well lucky you |
| 23:11.27 | George- | jonezr: how much free time did you have? |
| 23:11.38 | jonezr | I have lots of free time. |
| 23:11.47 | jonezr | Thats why i am on irc. |
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| 23:11.58 | jonezr | Wasting away the day arguing about petty shit. |
| 23:12.07 | George- | jonezr: you fucking started it |
| 23:13.04 | jonezr | oh ye |
| 23:13.30 | FelixKat | is there a networking text for openzaurus 3 for the life of me I can not get the usb0 save the manual settings or am I going to have to use ifconfig |
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| 23:13.48 | George- | Why don't you go take a long walk in the fresh air, and maybe drop into a psychiatrist, as you are quite evidently mentally unstable |
| 23:14.52 | jonezr | haha |
| 23:14.54 | jonezr | ok |
| 23:15.44 | George- | good, cos you're not wanted here |
| 23:15.53 | jonezr | bah |
| 23:15.56 | George- | if you're just going to throw all our hard work back in our faces |
| 23:15.57 | jonezr | I don't care. |
| 23:16.12 | George- | you're as bad as this fuckwit that came earlier in the year called MarkNovak |
| 23:16.16 | George- | no.. you're worse |
| 23:16.29 | ljp | mellow georgie |
| 23:16.39 | jonezr | no doubt |
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| 23:16.48 | George- | ljp: ? |
| 23:18.10 | George- | jonezr: And just for the record NONE of us have just "ripped GPL code" and sold it |
| 23:18.29 | ljp | well, besides smelly onions |
| 23:18.31 | jonezr | Ye |
| 23:18.54 | jonezr | You just make it look pretty? |
| 23:19.21 | George- | jonezr: no, we work on it, improve on it |
| 23:19.29 | jonezr | You just said yourself you used some source from a different text editor for the syntax highlighting in your programm... |
| 23:19.35 | jonezr | Well |
| 23:19.47 | George- | jonezr: mark took a KDE project, and ported the whole lot to work on the Zaurus, and improved a lot, adding features |
| 23:19.53 | George- | jonezr: he worked for months on that |
| 23:19.57 | jonezr | You pretty much just made it work on a html and gave it a qt/e interface? |
| 23:20.13 | jonezr | Yea I wouldn't doubt that. |
| 23:20.20 | George- | jonezr: yes, because that's all that my coding abilities can span |
| 23:20.30 | George- | jonezr: I'm not a brilliant coder, as I said, but I wish to learn |
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| 23:21.03 | badl | jonezr: i rip GPL code and sell it, whats your problem with that? |
| 23:21.27 | jonezr | lol |
| 23:21.51 | jonezr | ok |
| 23:21.58 | ljp | smelly onions did that, really |
| 23:22.06 | badl | do you have an issue with this? |
| 23:24.16 | jonezr | The point I am trying to make is.. before one ports a program to a different platform with a different gui or what-not and sell it, you should be prepared to share some of the wealth with all the developers who contributed. |
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| 23:25.08 | jonezr | Even if it means taking some time to make the project better in some way. |
| 23:25.18 | jonezr | Writing documentation even. |
| 23:25.29 | George- | jonezr: oh shut up |
| 23:25.31 | jonezr | Just don't leech off the OS community. |
| 23:25.38 | George- | you obviously do |
| 23:25.44 | jonezr | Its un becoming and tacky. |
| 23:25.45 | ljp | eatting is nice |
| 23:25.46 | badl | jonezr: do you know how hard it is to sell? sell any kind of product... |
| 23:25.47 | jonezr | How? |
| 23:26.08 | jonezr | IF anything I contributed to many projects.. |
| 23:26.12 | ljp | all this over one sale george! |
| 23:26.17 | jonezr | even if I was just submitting bugs. |
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| 23:26.47 | ljp | george is letting the code out |
| 23:26.49 | badl | thats like saying, i contribute to the zaurus, becuase i sit here on irc, speaking shit... |
| 23:26.53 | George- | jonezr: no, not just that, I have now got a personally vendetta against jonezr |
| 23:26.53 | ljp | thats whats requirwed |
| 23:26.56 | jonezr | The OS community is here because of contibutions. |
| 23:27.18 | jonezr | hahah |
| 23:27.21 | jonezr | right on |
| 23:28.09 | George- | jonezr: yes |
| 23:28.14 | George- | jonezr: and not to slag developers |
| 23:28.34 | ljp | george: needs option to also place the closing tag with the opening tag :) |
| 23:28.56 | badl | jonezr: how about this angle, i would rather have a developer rip off gpl code to support themselves financially, and in term thats allows them to write more/new gpl code! |
| 23:29.06 | ljp | and maybe some other stuff like img tags or whatnot |
| 23:29.26 | ljp | :D |
| 23:29.56 | George- | lol |
| 23:30.03 | jonezr | I think I am to humble for you people. |
| 23:30.05 | George- | or perhaps, we should just get kergoth to kick him |
| 23:30.42 | jonezr | Why? |
| 23:30.50 | badl | no, a humble person wouldn't care about if someone else made money off someone elses work |
| 23:30.58 | ljp | nice filebrowser |
| 23:31.15 | George- | ljp: hah |
| 23:31.15 | jonezr | I don't see kergoth porting the 2.4.19 kernel to zaurus and asking money for it? |
| 23:31.19 | ljp | naaa, everyone is entitled to their opinion |
| 23:31.34 | badl | jonezr: is it wrong for a distributor to make money of a manufactures product? |
| 23:31.46 | jonezr | badl: hehe |
| 23:31.50 | mark | jonezr: thats his choice. |
| 23:31.54 | George- | jonezr: he's serious |
| 23:32.20 | jonezr | badl: yea, you know if I steal a car stereo I should keep all the proceeds from the selling of it. |
| 23:32.28 | jonezr | You are totally right. |
| 23:32.53 | jonezr | Specially since is my ass is the one thats going to take all the scrutiny. |
| 23:32.59 | badl | its not stealing... the gpl lisence allows such actions |
| 23:33.07 | mark | jonezr: what have your contributions to what projects been? |
| 23:33.24 | rabbit_uk | but that's no the same. he did have permission to take it. |
| 23:33.28 | George- | jonezr: Do you actually have a brain? |
| 23:33.37 | rabbit_uk | s/no/not |
| 23:33.43 | jonezr | Hahah |
| 23:33.52 | jonezr | If anything I do the opposite. |
| 23:34.02 | badl | ahh ic |
| 23:34.10 | badl | lets do the opposite |
| 23:34.16 | badl | have sex with me jonezr ;) |
| 23:34.21 | mark | jonezr: I seem to have missed your answer. what contributions have you made to what projects? |
| 23:34.39 | jonezr | Probably just bug testing. |
| 23:34.43 | jonezr | Submitting bugs. |
| 23:34.48 | George- | oh wow |
| 23:34.54 | George- | that's a REALLY difficult job |
| 23:34.57 | jonezr | I can't really do anything outrageous coding. |
| 23:35.01 | jonezr | Well.. |
| 23:35.11 | George- | bug...testing... |
| 23:35.12 | mark | jonezr: right. so before you start having a go at people who *do* contribute to stuff, go do some proper stuff urself |
| 23:35.29 | George- | developers do a LOT more bugtesting than anyone else on their own projects |
| 23:35.29 | jonezr | omg |
| 23:35.50 | jonezr | Not really. |
| 23:35.55 | mark | (not that bug reports aren't useful. they aer) |
| 23:36.03 | badl | jonezr: which projects have you submitted bugs for? |
| 23:36.12 | George- | mark: fufme =P |
| 23:36.14 | Dilb | jonezr: what would OS' community do without your "humble" help? |
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| 23:36.22 | jonezr | omg |
| 23:36.28 | jonezr | You see |
| 23:36.34 | jonezr | THat doesn't matter.. |
| 23:36.44 | jonezr | You are now just trying to make yourselves feel better. |
| 23:37.06 | jonezr | That is the truth to. |
| 23:37.11 | Dilb | not really (I speak for myself) |
| 23:37.20 | jonezr | Really? |
| 23:37.44 | George- | badl: haha |
| 23:37.45 | jonezr | omg |
| 23:37.52 | George- | jonezr: STOP BLASPHEMING |
| 23:37.52 | mark | badl: one finger more like :P |
| 23:37.56 | jonezr | I getting ragged on by shareware developers. |
| 23:38.10 | George- | no 1. We are NOT shareware developers |
| 23:38.22 | jonezr | omg |
| 23:38.24 | George- | no 2. We provide all source code for free, for scabby urchins like you |
| 23:38.34 | mark | (despite the fact we're not obliged to do s) |
| 23:38.36 | George- | no 3. Idiots like you kill our productivity time |
| 23:38.43 | jonezr | BAHAHA |
| 23:39.15 | jonezr | You guys really want me to show you up. |
| 23:39.23 | Dilb | that's true, I'm staring at my sources since the beginning of this "discussion", writing nothing new :) |
| 23:39.31 | badl | jonezr: please do |
| 23:39.44 | jonezr | yea I see. |
| 23:40.34 | jonezr | Well maybe in the near future. |
| 23:40.40 | George- | jonezr is blatently hired by MS to demoralize open source developers ;) |
| 23:40.47 | jonezr | lol |
| 23:41.01 | George- | =) |
| 23:41.15 | George- | jonezr: It was nice speaking to you and I hope you rot in hell |
| 23:41.17 | George- | g'night everyone |
| 23:41.18 | jonezr | You guys need to get a grip. |
| 23:41.19 | ljp | k goerge, almost finished |
| 23:41.21 | badl | l8r |
| 23:41.41 | George- | ljp: just a sec |
| 23:41.48 | George- | jonezr: no, YOU need to get a life |
| 23:41.54 | jonezr | ok |
| 23:42.10 | George- | jonezr: now please, leave #Zaurus, and never come back |
| 23:42.13 | jonezr | I never needed to prove a point. |
| 23:42.14 | mark | c ya George- |
| 23:42.29 | jonezr | YOu were the one wasting your time trying to. |
| 23:42.29 | jonezr | Lol |
| 23:42.31 | mark | jonezr: what distro are you running? |
| 23:42.37 | George- | jonezr: I have no time to waste |
| 23:42.40 | jonezr | freebsd 5.0-Current |
| 23:42.47 | George- | jonezr: My main development box is off in Holland being fixed |
| 23:42.53 | jonezr | and gentoo on my linux box |
| 23:43.04 | George- | ahh.. the "Gentoo attitude" |
| 23:43.16 | mark | George-: right, so you support the BSD license but then dont think its right selling open source apps? |
| 23:43.24 | ljp | sum'n wrong wth gentoo? |
| 23:43.28 | jonezr | lol |
| 23:43.46 | George- | mark: ??? |
| 23:43.49 | Dilb | mark: have a break :) |
| 23:43.52 | jonezr | George-: you just wasted lots of time. |
| 23:44.00 | George- | jonezr: It's midnight |
| 23:44.04 | George- | jonezr: I have no time to waste |
| 23:44.11 | jonezr | yea |
| 23:44.15 | George- | jonezr: And as I say, my development box is away |
| 23:44.19 | jonezr | you are 14 your bedtime was 5 hours ago. |
| 23:44.30 | George- | jonezr: ohhh.. age discriminating now are we |
| 23:44.32 | mark | heh, he's pretty close :P |
| 23:44.39 | badl | 14? how do you figure |
| 23:44.41 | George- | ooooooooooh.. the nostalgia of MarkNovak |
| 23:44.48 | George- | badl: I told him :) |
| 23:44.52 | jonezr | badl: lol |
| 23:44.52 | mark | jonezr: well he's managed to do more for the OSS community in his years than you have in yours |
| 23:44.53 | treke|home | badl: because he is :) |
| 23:44.57 | badl | ahhh |
| 23:45.01 | jonezr | mark: sure |
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| 23:45.55 | kolla | huba |
| 23:46.36 | mark | jonezr: and fyi the main author of knights is very happy with what i do |
| 23:47.00 | jonezr | I don't really care. |
| 23:47.11 | jonezr | I just wanting to get everyone going |
| 23:47.15 | jonezr | I am bored as hell. |
| 23:47.16 | FelixKat | if anyone can help me with a network issue please message me |
| 23:47.18 | mark | oh yeah, sure u did jonezr. |
| 23:47.27 | jonezr | Like I said I SUPPORT THE BSD license. |
| 23:47.35 | jonezr | awhile ago. |
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| 23:48.14 | Dilb | jonezr: yes, as you said, you support a license allowing you to sell whatever you want without even providing the sources |
| 23:48.23 | jonezr | yep |
| 23:48.27 | jonezr | I don't care |
| 23:48.48 | Dilb | you're definitively helpful for OS' community |
| 23:48.57 | jonezr | heh |
| 23:49.19 | jonezr | I would rather have all closed source software use OSS code.. |
| 23:49.49 | badl | jonezr: what do you think MS does ;) |
| 23:50.01 | jonezr | Maybe then people would actually see how pointless it is to run prop. software. |
| 23:50.21 | Dilb | sure .... |
| 23:50.28 | George- | jonezr: you are a retard |
| 23:50.49 | jonezr | You are calling me a retard for having a different opinion? |
| 23:51.07 | George- | no, I am calling you a retard because you are being a prick |
| 23:51.08 | jonezr | You are the one you argue'd forever without proving shit. |
| 23:51.22 | Dilb | I prefer to continue to work on my sources (this part is under BSD :p) than continuing this unuseful discussion with an ... |
| 23:51.23 | jonezr | haha |
| 23:51.27 | George- | no, I don't try to prove shit |
| 23:51.35 | jonezr | ok |
| 23:51.40 | jonezr | anyhow |
| 23:51.59 | George- | yes? |
| 23:52.09 | jonezr | If you can market OSS software to stupid enough people who would buy it.. you deserve every penny you get. |
| 23:52.40 | jonezr | Thats why i like apple. |
| 23:52.56 | treke|home | does that make me stupid? |
| 23:53.03 | badl | but apple only has a 2.5% market share of the desktop market |
| 23:53.06 | jonezr | Shrug no. |
| 23:53.15 | George- | in case you haven't realised, not everyone in this world has access to linux machines with sdks on |
| 23:53.22 | roge99 | jonezr: some of us will be happy to pay for some good open source software |
| 23:53.28 | George- | treke|home: you bought it? |
| 23:53.39 | roge99 | the people who write it need to eat too |
| 23:53.39 | treke|home | George-: This is knights we are talking about, right? |
| 23:53.44 | jonezr | roge99: no, most people are happy with the support of oss. |
| 23:53.44 | George- | treke|home: no |
| 23:53.59 | treke|home | oh. then I didnt buy it :) |
| 23:53.59 | jonezr | roge99: THats the main reason people use MS and SUn products. |
| 23:54.02 | jonezr | Is support |
| 23:54.02 | George- | well, it's not what I'm talking about :) |
| 23:54.26 | George- | jonezr: and I use apple, I like their machines, they're very good for note taking and development |
| 23:54.36 | jonezr | yea |
| 23:54.44 | jonezr | Except you can't play games, eh? |
| 23:54.44 | jonezr | lol |
| 23:54.57 | George- | They play the games I want...# |
| 23:55.03 | George- | All the games by Blizzard..... |
| 23:55.14 | George- | (which are the only games I enjoy) |
| 23:55.40 | jonezr | hehe |
| 23:55.40 | George- | plus, the less games it can play, the more time I can spend on other things |
| 23:56.17 | George- | jonezr: I think you need to go read up about the GPL |
| 23:56.25 | George- | RMS doesn't care about free as in free beer |
| 23:56.36 | George- | he doesn't care if you sell GPL software for millions of pounds |
| 23:56.43 | George- | he only cares for the freedom of the customers |
| 23:56.57 | George- | hell, I don't even need to provide the src code to those that didn't buy the editor |
| 23:57.15 | jonezr | Why don't you just use a BSd license? |
| 23:57.49 | George- | jonezr: why don't you just use the MS EULA? |
| 23:57.59 | jonezr | ewl |
| 23:58.41 | treke|home | jonezr: Maybe he wants people who use his code to release any code they base on it? |
| 23:58.46 | George- | anyway, the fact that you are a gentoo user explains your attitude to me |
| 23:59.17 | jonezr | treke|home: maybe but I didn't hear him say it :/ |
| 23:59.17 | jonezr | :P |
| 23:59.29 | jonezr | lol |
| 23:59.32 | jonezr | what distro I use? |
| 23:59.34 | George- | 99% of gentoo users are those that think they're incredibly leet, cos they can use someone else's tools to compile a distro |
| 23:59.45 | jonezr | ah |
| 23:59.50 | George- | badl: yeh :) |
| 23:59.52 | Dilb | erf :) |
| 23:59.55 | George- | badl: and mark, and me |
| 23:59.56 | George- | lol |
