| 00:00.26 | warmi | time to go home .. see you later |
| 00:00.28 | raster | Neo|Work: the difference is, for example, my image code will oaod the image fiel ehader only, first pass, so it doesnt decode image data. you can figure out the image size, if it has alpha etc. from this. the image data is demand-paged (ie decoeed the first time image data itself is actualyl needed) |
| 00:00.30 | *** part/#zaurus warmi (~a3c01502@dsl-64-194-208-133.telocity.com) |
| 00:00.31 | Zxcvb_ | warmi: arm->arm JIT? |
| 00:00.33 | Neo|Work | raster: how do you handle image formats todayu? |
| 00:00.50 | Neo|Work | ok, that makes it more complex |
| 00:01.48 | Neo|Work | isn't the GBA processor running at a MUCH lower clock frequence? |
| 00:01.52 | raster | Neo|Work: 1. as i said. images (if the format allows) are loaded as header in one pass, and then body in another pass, on demand. it decodes ALL images to ARGB8888. |
| 00:02.24 | Neo|Work | raster: then go ahead and use libjpeg/libpng. :P |
| 00:02.47 | chouimat | Neo|Work: 16Mhz |
| 00:02.49 | Buzzdat | zxcvb: Wasnt the GBA a repackaged snes? |
| 00:02.55 | raster | Neo|Work: the image loader system also handles a speculative cache, shares the sam eimage handle if the same image is loaded a 2nd time, etc. etc. |
| 00:03.08 | Neo|Work | chouimat: thought so. the zaurus CPU is many times faster |
| 00:03.31 | Neo|Work | all that could be shared of course |
| 00:03.36 | treke|laptop | Neo|Work: will if you compare them at the ghz level, they are roughly the same speed |
| 00:03.58 | chouimat | Neo|Work: arm7tdmi |
| 00:04.13 | raster | Neo|Work: well in future i am going to build a whole subsystem that doesnt even use those - the less requirements, the better :) but next on my list is freetype - make that optional and have an internal bitmap/graymap font engine - handy if you really dont need scalable fonts (common for pda like devices - small fonts and almost always the same size) |
| 00:04.25 | Neo|Work | and importnat to note is that it's an ARM7 cpu and not a CPU with the ARM7 instruction set |
| 00:04.37 | Neo|Work | confusing how ARM use the same names for instruction sets as well as cpuss |
| 00:04.44 | chouimat | Neo|Work: ARM7 cpu |
| 00:04.50 | Neo|Work | I just said that. :P |
| 00:05.16 | Neo|Work | while Zaurus is a StrongARM (Intel brand not ARM brand) using v4l instruction set |
| 00:05.35 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I'm tired so my translation capacity is affected |
| 00:06.06 | Neo|Work | :P |
| 00:06.29 | Neo|Work | it seems that ARM_v_X is instruction set while ARMX is a ARM brand cpu for a ARM instruction set |
| 00:06.51 | chouimat | Neo|Work: exactly |
| 00:08.35 | Neo|Work | took me a good while to try to figure out when I looked around their site for specs some time ago |
| 00:13.08 | chouimat | Neo|Work: doing gba games? |
| 00:13.13 | *** join/#zaurus NoRemorse (brett@202.161.64.1) |
| 00:14.35 | Buzzdat | Neo|work: what games have you done? You mentioned something earlier... |
| 00:15.32 | Com[Plex | www.eongames.com |
| 00:15.38 | Com[Plex | those are neos |
| 00:17.06 | Buzzdat | right on, I'll check em out. Thanks! |
| 00:17.50 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex: thanks. :P |
| 00:17.53 | Neo|Work | ibot eongames |
| 00:17.55 | | rumour has it, eongames is see Eon Games instead |
| 00:17.58 | Neo|Work | ibot eon games |
| 00:18.00 | | methinks eon games is game developer with many fine Zaurus titles, like Strategic Assault, Eligo and Bust'em. Other than original port, Eon Games also do a lot of porting (mainly Pocket PC to Sharp Zaurus but desktop porting as well). See http://eongames.com/ for more information. |
| 00:18.12 | Neo|Work | lol |
| 00:18.18 | Neo|Work | "other than original port"... :) |
| 00:18.52 | ZzzGogo_ | NeoTron: does motocross stunt racer work on the Z ? |
| 00:19.02 | troffasky | yeah |
| 00:19.06 | Buzzdat | Neo: love the PA work on the bust 'em page <g> |
| 00:19.18 | Neo|Work | ZzzGogo_: yes, but I have only released a first demo yet |
| 00:19.48 | ZzzGogo_ | NeoTron: loox nice already :) |
| 00:19.53 | Neo|Work | Buzzdat: Bust'em is PA themed (but alas I can't take the credit - it's a port from PocketPC) |
| 00:20.07 | Neo|Work | ZzzGogo_: well, it's another PocketPC port |
| 00:20.13 | Com[Plex | neo, how did you create the levels for this? they look so awesome. like - did you use an engine to textureize them or did you just throw it in photoshop? |
| 00:20.18 | Neo|Work | the full game works, I just want to resolve some issues with audio before release |
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| 00:20.24 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex: MSR? |
| 00:20.39 | Com[Plex | \yeah msr |
| 00:20.44 | Neo|Work | MSR uses raytraced environments I believe (but again, not to my credit) |
| 00:20.49 | Neo|Work | game itself is voxel based |
| 00:21.02 | Com[Plex | oh.. this is a port? |
| 00:21.05 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 00:21.19 | Neo|Work | only Eligo is original work |
| 00:21.24 | Com[Plex | hmm. |
| 00:21.28 | Neo|Work | I do so much porting I don't have time for my own stuff |
| 00:21.33 | Com[Plex | I see |
| 00:22.03 | ZzzGogo_ | NeoTron: do the ports cost anything? |
| 00:22.13 | ZzzGogo_ | neu|work that is |
| 00:22.27 | Neo|Work | ZzzGogo_: as in do I pay to do the port ? |
| 00:22.55 | Neo|Work | if so, I pay royalties to the original author (in general a majority of the net income). |
| 00:24.02 | chouimat | Neo|Work: as in 75%-25%? |
| 00:24.09 | ZzzGogo_ | dont know which games are ports and whoich arent.... |
| 00:25.10 | Buzzdat | Neo|work: damn, now I |
| 00:25.22 | Buzzdat | 'm not gonna get ANY work donne today :g: |
| 00:25.23 | Neo|Work | chouimat: I personally get between 20-50% |
| 00:25.35 | Neo|Work | ZzzGogo_: Eligo isn't, the rest are |
| 00:25.51 | ZzzGogo_ | Neo|Work: ahhh, thx |
| 00:25.56 | Neo|Work | SDLRoids is a pre-Eon Games project and isn't a port in the traditional sense (i.e it's GPL open source etc) |
| 00:27.22 | ZzzGogo_ | NeoTron: what's the filesize of the motocross stuntracer gonna be (full)? |
| 00:27.49 | Buzzdat | Any idea why my Z would not be suspending with the wireless nic installed? Just started happening, afaik... |
| 00:28.45 | Cloudchaser | mine never suspends with wireless card in |
| 00:28.47 | ZzzGogo_ | nope... using rj45 |
| 00:31.17 | *** join/#zaurus titeuf (psybnc@2m01.net) |
| 00:32.50 | Buzzdat | Does *anyone's* z suspend with wireless card in? |
| 00:32.59 | kergoth | Buzzdat: yep, works fine |
| 00:33.25 | Buzzdat | kergoth: any ideas where to look? I'm sure this used to work... |
| 00:33.52 | Cloudchaser | are you using oz or sharp rom? |
| 00:34.12 | Buzzdat | Cloudchaser: Using the latest crow rom |
| 00:34.16 | ZzzGogo_ | kerg prlly uses OZ ;) |
| 00:34.19 | Cloudchaser | ah no clue tthen |
| 00:34.25 | Cloudchaser | i know kergoth is using oz |
| 00:34.32 | Cloudchaser | and i'm using sharp 2.37 |
| 00:34.48 | Cloudchaser | no idea of the crow rom at all |
| 00:35.03 | Buzzdat | it's based on 2.38 |
| 00:35.53 | Buzzdat | kernel 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix |
| 00:36.53 | *** join/#zaurus ult (ultima@bespin.org) |
| 00:48.26 | NoRemorse | ibot crow rom |
| 00:48.28 | | [crow rom] http://www.schwag.org/~crow/ |
| 00:49.42 | Buzzdat | NeoIWork: Any major changes between the "standard" libsdl (from the killefiz feed) and the eon version? |
| 00:57.38 | ZzzGogo_ | interstellar flames demo on the Z rockz!! *gg* |
| 00:58.54 | Neo|Work | ZzzGogo_: lemme check |
| 00:59.12 | Neo|Work | the compressed size is about 2.2 MB |
| 00:59.20 | Neo|Work | uncompressed it'd be somewhat bigger |
| 00:59.35 | Neo|Work | about 1-1.5 MB larger than the demo I'd say |
| 00:59.53 | ZzzGogo_ | didnt think that 3d shooter would be that fast on the Z, even with smoke effects :) |
| 01:00.08 | Neo|Work | it runs mostly at the desired 20 fps |
| 01:00.33 | ZzzGogo_ | had to install the game to mtdram, though.. libs on sd |
| 01:00.48 | noda | Neo|Work: Erm... personally for gaming I desire more than 20fps :P |
| 01:00.52 | Neo|Work | the game doesn't have to be installed on mtdram.. |
| 01:00.57 | noda | Absolute minimum for me is 30. |
| 01:01.04 | Neo|Work | noda: dude, this is a PDA not a desktop |
| 01:01.11 | ZzzGogo_ | *g* |
| 01:01.12 | Neo|Work | and 20 FPS is what the game is designed to |
| 01:01.16 | noda | Neo|Work: I know, on a desktop I desire 60 :P |
| 01:01.23 | Neo|Work | more important is fixed framerate |
| 01:01.29 | noda | :) |
| 01:01.30 | ZzzGogo_ | i gotta go to bed... shoot some more spaceships *gg* |
| 01:02.46 | NoRemorse | whats the best way to back up Z in OZ? tar? if so what dirs should I tar? |
| 01:03.05 | noda | Just back up /root - but there *is* a backup app, and it SHOULD work :) |
| 01:03.55 | NoRemorse | nah it dont, "backup failed" |
| 01:04.12 | noda | Bah. Try updating off the unstable feed. |
| 01:04.19 | noda | Just that one program :) |
| 01:04.20 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 01:04.23 | NoRemorse | ok |
| 01:04.31 | noda | http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed I think |
| 01:04.42 | NoRemorse | does the pkgapp have that feed? |
| 01:05.00 | noda | pkgapp? |
| 01:05.05 | noda | aqpkg you mean? |
| 01:05.09 | noda | No, but you can set it. |
| 01:05.14 | NoRemorse | k |
| 01:05.41 | noda | Don't bother updating anything else though. There's actually going to be a new 'testing' release tonight, you might as well do a whole flash :) |
| 01:05.56 | NoRemorse | oh here is another q... OZ has a whole hap of wonderfull little icons along the right side of the bottom status bar, and leaves only ONE spot for apps, how the hell do I switch apps?! |
| 01:06.19 | noda | NoRemorse: Bug kergoth about that - I agree totally. To change it, go to "Launcher" and uncheck some stuff. You may have to restart Opie after. |
| 01:06.36 | NoRemorse | coool ta |
| 01:07.28 | NoRemorse | WOAHA!!! I unticked a few things, and opie seg faulted! |
| 01:07.29 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: what applets do you find not useful by default? |
| 01:07.35 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: oh, thats fixed. |
| 01:07.40 | noda | lol :) |
| 01:07.42 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: upgrade your applets and launcher settings from unstable |
| 01:07.43 | kergoth`out | :) |
| 01:07.45 | NoRemorse | irda, cutpaste |
| 01:07.51 | kergoth`out | cut & paste is used by numerous people |
| 01:07.52 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 01:07.54 | kergoth`out | and irda is required to beam |
| 01:07.57 | kergoth`out | to palms and the like |
| 01:08.02 | kergoth`out | so those have to stay in the default rom |
| 01:08.16 | NoRemorse | k |
| 01:08.24 | Neo|Work | dammit I wish I could flash my zaurii |
| 01:08.24 | noda | kergoth`out: Maybe launcher settings should be run on first boot. |
| 01:08.26 | kergoth`out | hmm |
| 01:08.30 | kergoth`out | noda: nah |
| 01:08.33 | noda | So that newbies wouldn't be faced with that problem... |
| 01:08.39 | Neo|Work | not that a replacement 32 MB card is expensive really |
| 01:08.40 | noda | There should be SOME sort of first-boot wizard :) |
| 01:08.41 | kergoth`out | noda: wirelessapplet could eaisly be left out by default |
| 01:08.51 | kergoth`out | noda: yes, we need a first boot wizard. go write it. :P |
| 01:09.09 | noda | kergoth`out: lol, I've never written qt or a whole c++ program on my own for that matter :P |
| 01:09.11 | NoRemorse | I like wireless app :) |
| 01:09.14 | noda | kergoth`out: I'm done btw. |
| 01:09.21 | noda | kergoth`out: Just lemme back up the DB before you release :) |
| 01:09.33 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: so do i, but most users wont require it, and its not critical, it can be installed later |
| 01:09.34 | NoRemorse | ok so I gotta update launcher first.. bbs |
| 01:09.38 | noda | kergoth`out: Okay, it's backed up and all the new stuff is committed and updated. |
| 01:09.48 | kergoth`out | noda: spiffy, thanks |
| 01:09.50 | noda | Yeah, I agree about wireless :) |
| 01:09.52 | kergoth`out | noda: now go study |
| 01:09.54 | kergoth`out | noda: :P |
| 01:10.03 | noda | kergoth`out: You made me forget Cramer's Rule :P |
| 01:10.06 | kergoth`out | lol |
| 01:10.08 | noda | kergoth`out: Do you have ICQ? :) |
| 01:10.16 | NoRemorse | ne1 seen a CF wlan card with an extendable antenna? a-la orinico cards? |
| 01:10.19 | kergoth`out | yeah i'm on all th messaging systems |
| 01:10.22 | kergoth`out | well not all, but most |
| 01:10.33 | kergoth`out | noidd: probs? |
| 01:10.34 | NoRemorse | anything better for icq on Z yet than tkcjabber? |
| 01:10.39 | noda | kergoth`out: ICQ me at #44300670 when you're about to commit :) |
| 01:10.42 | noda | Bye all :) |
| 01:10.46 | kergoth`out | noda: k, ttyl |
| 01:10.46 | noidd | yeah - got a headache, thought i'd at least give it a reason |
| 01:11.22 | noidd | hows it going kergoth? |
| 01:11.41 | kergoth`out | noidd: quite good, cleaning up some bits to start the oz 3.1 testing phase |
| 01:12.07 | noidd | ooo, that sounds interesting |
| 01:12.34 | noidd | I've not been doing much (read anything) with my Z reciently |
| 01:12.54 | noidd | i'm feeling pretty impotent with it reciently after having a fight with the toolchain and losing |
| 01:13.14 | noidd | so i've been documenting the Gtk2.pm project... API docs. |
| 01:13.19 | noidd | doing something usefull |
| 01:13.44 | noidd | I saw an announcement that python/Qt is ported to Qtopia, that pissed me off :-) |
| 01:13.54 | ljp | why |
| 01:14.13 | kergoth`out | noidd: hehe |
| 01:14.19 | kergoth`out | noidd: figured it would ;) |
| 01:14.20 | noidd | i'm a perl guy, its my duty to be pissed off when python beats perl at anythinhg :-) |
| 01:14.41 | noidd | its funny, since i've been trying to port Qt.pm for months |
| 01:15.18 | noidd | and, after I had a *slight* argument with the Qt developers about it... |
| 01:15.32 | noidd | I'm kinda persona non-grata |
| 01:17.56 | noidd | in reality i'm really glad that pyQt is out |
| 01:18.12 | noidd | its another avenue for app development, which is very cool. |
| 01:18.58 | NoRemorse | argh now my wlan wont work |
| 01:19.10 | NoRemorse | whats with OZ not detecting the CF card on boot?! |
| 01:19.17 | kergoth`out | huh? |
| 01:19.20 | ljp | bah! python |
| 01:19.32 | NoRemorse | have to unplug and plug it back in to get connectivity |
| 01:19.39 | ljp | hmm |
| 01:19.42 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: i believe that was a bug in ifupdown |
| 01:19.45 | *** part/#zaurus kolla (~kolla@firda.home.uninett.no) |
| 01:19.45 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: which is fixed |
| 01:19.50 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 01:19.58 | NoRemorse | ok so how many things do I have to upgrade now?! |
| 01:20.31 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: ? |
| 01:20.42 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: busybox, and ifupdown, but the ones in unstable arent updated |
| 01:20.47 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: just wait for the 3.1rc1 release |
| 01:20.55 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: it'll happen within an hour |
| 01:20.56 | kergoth`out | heh |
| 01:21.22 | NoRemorse | cooool |
| 01:21.46 | NoRemorse | cept I cant connect anymore I'll wotk on that hehe |
| 01:21.51 | kergoth`out | ? |
| 01:21.59 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: eject, reinsert, tada, conectivity |
| 01:22.06 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; .. same |
| 01:22.23 | NoRemorse | ah coolt hanks save wear and tear on the pins :) |
| 01:22.48 | NoRemorse | the new release is a rom flash? in which case I wont bother trying to get wlan going |
| 01:23.15 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: and a feed |
| 01:23.20 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: boht |
| 01:23.21 | kergoth`out | both |
| 01:23.25 | noidd | hmmm, 3.1 goodness :-) |
| 01:23.50 | NoRemorse | so what else do I have to do other than flash the rom? |
| 01:23.56 | ljp | they are releasing a rom so they wont hear me complain about old bugs |
| 01:24.09 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: huh? |
| 01:24.10 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: nothing. |
| 01:24.17 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: you can 1) reflash, or 2) upgrade from the feed |
| 01:24.18 | NoRemorse | ah cool :) |
| 01:24.26 | NoRemorse | I'll reflash hehe |
| 01:24.35 | NoRemorse | I have to my wlan card dont work anymore |
| 01:24.46 | kergoth`out | huh? |
| 01:24.52 | kergoth`out | you just have to down the interface and bring it back to make it work |
| 01:24.55 | kergoth`out | big deal |
| 01:24.55 | kergoth`out | heh |
| 01:24.56 | NoRemorse | nfi, wont ping |
| 01:25.18 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: what card is this? |
| 01:25.37 | NoRemorse | dlink, hmm my linksys works tho wierd |
| 01:25.49 | NoRemorse | oh well back online now :) |
| 01:26.00 | NoRemorse | I wont bother tho I'll wait for the flash |
| 01:26.18 | NoRemorse | actually.. I'll just upgrade backup :) |
| 01:28.27 | NoRemorse | is it ok to get a heap of "failed to link /mnt/card/opt blah blah" messages whenever I install something?! |
| 01:28.46 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: yeah, harmless |
| 01:28.54 | NoRemorse | thought so ta |
| 01:29.51 | NoRemorse | hmm backup failed.. how do I set the app package manager to look at the unstable feed please? |
| 01:30.29 | NoRemorse | ah got mit, whats the name and URL? |
| 01:30.43 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: openzaurus.org. click on downloads. scroll down to feeds. |
| 01:30.45 | NoRemorse | I have a familiar unstable is that it? |
| 01:30.51 | kergoth`out | no. |
| 01:30.54 | kergoth`out | add a new feed |
| 01:31.00 | kergoth`out | ibot: oz feed |
| 01:31.03 | | [oz feed] http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 01:31.03 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 01:31.04 | kergoth`out | right there. |
| 01:31.09 | NoRemorse | thanks |
| 01:31.12 | kergoth`out | np |
| 01:34.21 | NoRemorse | hmm what am I doing wrong, I refreshed it and there are no packages in the list?! |
| 01:34.24 | *** join/#zaurus oGMo (~rpav@208.187.9.58) |
| 01:34.39 | kergoth`out | NoRemorse: and your Z has internet connectivity? |
| 01:34.48 | kergoth`out | hey oGMo |
| 01:34.55 | NoRemorse | yep said it downloaded it! |
| 01:35.05 | kergoth`out | odd |
| 01:35.37 | oGMo | kergoth`out. |
| 01:35.45 | oGMo | man i wish they made a USB CF card |
| 01:35.52 | NoRemorse | i'll do it manually |
| 01:36.06 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:36.13 | kergoth | why does our image only have 4023kb free |
| 01:36.14 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 01:36.20 | kergoth | considering the space freed by removing ldconfig.. |
| 01:36.53 | oGMo | four meg free?! |
| 01:36.58 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:37.03 | kergoth | we should have around 4.5 |
| 01:37.06 | kergoth | on the stock image |
| 01:37.12 | oGMo | geez, nice |
| 01:37.12 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:37.17 | kergoth | yeh :) |
| 01:37.21 | NoRemorse | hmm I had over 5 before? |
| 01:37.25 | kergoth | NoRemorse: doubtful. |
| 01:37.26 | oGMo | it's too bad you can't do fs compression too, but ;) |
| 01:37.31 | oGMo | i dunno if that'd help |
| 01:37.31 | kergoth | NoRemorse: the 3.0 release has 4 megs free |
| 01:37.34 | kergoth | NoRemorse: unless you removed things |
| 01:37.56 | NoRemorse | hmm nope |
| 01:38.02 | kergoth | NoRemorse: then you didnt have 5 megs freee. |
| 01:38.03 | NoRemorse | actually I did :) |
| 01:38.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:38.14 | NoRemorse | -> /dev/mtdblock4 14464 12468 1996 86% / |
| 01:38.16 | NoRemorse | thats a worry |
| 01:38.21 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:38.24 | kergoth | 2 megs is plenty |
| 01:38.27 | kergoth | what are you worried about |
| 01:38.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:38.28 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 01:38.35 | kergoth | you dont need free space for any real reason |
| 01:38.42 | kergoth | temporary space.. /var, /tmp are all ramdisks |
| 01:38.59 | oGMo | kergoth: oz3 had 4 megs free? |
| 01:39.00 | oGMo | hrm |
| 01:39.15 | oGMo | oh yeah ;) i keep thinking of the older one that was just 2 |
| 01:39.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:39.47 | oGMo | it rocked cuz i got everything the stock rom had and more |
| 01:40.10 | kergoth | we're starting to reach the limits of the free space we can obtain given what we've got |
| 01:40.15 | kergoth | short of removing default opie apps of coruse |
| 01:41.24 | NoRemorse | tahts always an option, people can install them to sd if they need |
| 01:41.40 | kergoth | NoRemorse: well they can do that now, just uninstall them and install them elsewhere |
| 01:41.47 | kergoth | i think we're pretty minimal atm |
| 01:41.53 | NoRemorse | does OZ disable all the standard Sharp ROM security holes like ftp etc? |
| 01:41.56 | kergoth | i wuldtn want to remove any of the default PIM apps or anything |
| 01:42.05 | kergoth | NoRemorse: ftp is disabled until you run security and hit OK |
| 01:42.10 | NoRemorse | coool |
| 01:42.12 | kergoth | NoRemorse: after which ftp works from the ip/mask you specify |
| 01:42.22 | NoRemorse | is the web browser installed with the default image? |
| 01:42.26 | kergoth | NoRemorse: sshd is running of course, and the root user still has a blank pass, so your ssh is pretty wide open |
| 01:42.29 | kergoth | NoRemorse: nope |
| 01:42.42 | NoRemorse | how come? now there is one app EVERYONE needs :) |
| 01:42.43 | kergoth | konqueror is in the feeds of course |
| 01:42.46 | kergoth | bullshit |
| 01:42.54 | NoRemorse | yep I instaalled it, wouldnt mind opera tho |
| 01:42.55 | kergoth | besides konq is huge |
| 01:43.03 | kergoth | most users will install it to ram or sd or cf |
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| 01:43.13 | NoRemorse | I did to sd |
| 01:43.19 | kergoth | yep, and thats what most users do |
| 01:43.24 | ZzzGogo_ | i wasnt able to install it to sd.... |
| 01:43.27 | kergoth | i wont be putting it in flash, its huge |
| 01:43.28 | NoRemorse | how do I install opera? |
| 01:43.30 | *** part/#zaurus Bilbo (~Bilbo@cpe-66-189-48-213.ma.charter.com) |
| 01:43.31 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: works flawless here |
| 01:43.38 | kergoth | NoRemorse: you need to be on the sharp rom |
| 01:43.45 | kergoth | NoRemorse: you install an ipk that builds an ipk out of it |
| 01:43.51 | kergoth | NoRemorse: then copy it off |
| 01:44.03 | kergoth | NoRemorse: all this is in the oz faq btw |
| 01:44.04 | NoRemorse | ahhh maybe I should put sharp rom back temporarily before I go to 3.1 |
| 01:44.10 | kergoth | why not |
| 01:44.13 | kergoth | grab hancom and stuff too |
| 01:44.19 | NoRemorse | unless someone could dcc me the ipk :) |
| 01:44.40 | ZzzGogo_ | kergoth: do all the kopq functions work for u? i cant see a history after closing it, bookmarks crash it.... |
| 01:44.43 | NoRemorse | I mean I did pay for my zaurus afteralll... stupid licencing bullshit |
| 01:44.54 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: report them as bugs then |
| 01:44.57 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: i dont use it |
| 01:45.16 | ZzzGogo_ | which browser do u use? |
| 01:45.16 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: i never use multimedia or web on my Z, i use it for irc *rarely*, and PIM and other bits regularly :) |
| 01:45.20 | kergoth | i dont use a browser |
| 01:45.26 | ZzzGogo_ | ok |
| 01:45.27 | kergoth | and if i need one, i ssh into my box and run links or something |
| 01:45.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:46.04 | Buzzdat | lynx rox! <g> |
| 01:46.14 | ZzzGogo_ | ok... i do that, too... ssh to my real box |
| 01:46.40 | ZzzGogo_ | bitchx is a öittle more powerful than opie-irc *g* |
| 01:46.58 | ZzzGogo_ | anyone using opie-ftp? |
| 01:47.08 | kergoth | i use ncftp/ftp/wget |
| 01:47.10 | kergoth | ;) |
| 01:47.11 | NoRemorse | hmm going back to sharp rom is a little different to OZ? |
| 01:47.13 | kergoth | wget most often |
| 01:47.25 | ZzzGogo_ | hmmm |
| 01:47.31 | kergoth | NoRemorse: its easy, but i'd recommend using romburst to rip apart the sharp ospack file to flash it with zImage and initrd.bin |
| 01:47.38 | kergoth | NoRemorse: as flashing 'ospack' flashes the bootloader, dangerous |
| 01:47.44 | NoRemorse | ok |
| 01:47.45 | kergoth | NoRemorse: could brick the Z if the image is corrupt |
| 01:47.46 | *** join/#zaurus titeuf (psybnc@80.65.224.177) |
| 01:47.59 | NoRemorse | I'll download OSPACK first |
| 01:48.07 | kergoth | thats a good start |
| 01:48.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:48.17 | kergoth | NoRemorse: note that going back to sharp is also in the faq |
| 01:48.20 | ZzzGogo_ | 'to brick sth' is a nice phrase i learned in here :) |
| 01:48.33 | NoRemorse | thanks! |
| 01:48.37 | kergoth | np |
| 01:49.43 | ZzzGogo_ | kergoth: my jffs part is pretty much full... is that a sign of wrong zimage? i have 24/40 now... |
| 01:49.57 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: ? |
| 01:50.03 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: why are you installing so much to flash? |
| 01:50.09 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: you have a 24 meg ramdisk, use it |
| 01:50.14 | ZzzGogo_ | mtdram? |
| 01:50.17 | kergoth | right |
| 01:50.28 | ZzzGogo_ | becaue many things wont install to sd |
| 01:50.32 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:50.41 | kergoth | what does sd have to do with the ramdisk? |
| 01:50.42 | ZzzGogo_ | i dont know why... they simply fail |
| 01:51.05 | ZzzGogo_ | u mean i should install to root |
| 01:51.11 | kergoth | what? |
| 01:51.17 | kergoth | i said to install to *RAMDISK* |
| 01:51.17 | NoRemorse | can I make qa suggestion, no matter how much you are tempted, NEVER try and format SD to ext2 and link in the root dirs hehe |
| 01:51.19 | kergoth | mtdram |
| 01:51.20 | kergoth | ram |
| 01:51.23 | kergoth | siad nothing about root |
| 01:51.28 | kergoth | NoRemorse: ? |
| 01:51.37 | kergoth | NoRemorse: i symlink my Applications, Settings, and Documents from root onto my ramdisk |
| 01:51.40 | NoRemorse | it just aint stable kergoth |
| 01:51.42 | kergoth | NoRemorse: and/or sd/cf, depending on mood |
| 01:51.47 | kergoth | NoRemorse: works fine here |
| 01:51.51 | NoRemorse | no I mean the ext2 bit :) |
| 01:51.54 | kergoth | .. |
| 01:51.57 | kergoth | my sd is ext2 |
| 01:52.03 | ZzzGogo_ | mine, tooo |
| 01:52.10 | NoRemorse | must be a different brand, mine always bards after a while |
| 01:52.16 | NoRemorse | mine is toshiba |
| 01:52.22 | ZzzGogo_ | mine, too |
| 01:52.26 | kergoth | you probably just need to fsck it once in a while |
| 01:52.27 | NoRemorse | prolly a rebadged sandisk hehe |
| 01:52.33 | kergoth | right now i dont think sdcontrol is fsck'ing on insert |
| 01:52.44 | NoRemorse | yeah that whats my main prob i think |
| 01:52.46 | kergoth | my sd is sandisk |
| 01:52.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:52.54 | kergoth | you remove the card without ejecting? |
| 01:52.58 | kergoth | you'll easily get fs corruption that way |
| 01:53.06 | NoRemorse | hmm probably :) |
| 01:53.09 | kergoth | make sure you use cardmon and hit eject before removing the card. |
| 01:53.16 | kergoth | same for CF |
| 01:53.17 | NoRemorse | ah well I am back to fat16 now and happy, all is worjing well |
| 01:53.24 | kergoth | otherwise you *will* lose data |
| 01:53.36 | NoRemorse | good point, I should know that... |
| 01:53.51 | kergoth | if you're worried about it |
| 01:53.52 | NoRemorse | shit myzaurus.com dl is slow |
| 01:54.01 | kergoth | make sure you have 'sync' as an option for both cf and sd in your fstab |
| 01:54.11 | kergoth | then your writes will happen immediately, rather than being cached |
| 01:54.14 | kergoth | less chance of data loss |
| 01:54.18 | NoRemorse | ok thanks |
| 01:54.19 | ZzzGogo_ | kergoth: in AQpkg i have the options: root, mtdram, sd + cf .... which is whoch part? |
| 01:54.22 | kergoth | but it'll make things feel slower as the app waits for the write |
| 01:54.26 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: huh? |
| 01:54.30 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: this is not that hard to understand |
| 01:54.32 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: root is flash |
| 01:54.34 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: cf is cf |
| 01:54.36 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: sd is sd |
| 01:54.40 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: mtdram is the 24mb ramdisk |
| 01:54.44 | NoRemorse | if you install to mtdram does the app get stored on the rom flash? |
| 01:54.51 | kergoth | JESUS FUCING CHRIST |
| 01:54.57 | kergoth | RAM IS FUCKING RAM |
| 01:54.59 | kergoth | FLASH IS FLASH |
| 01:55.01 | kergoth | RAM IS NOT FLASH |
| 01:55.16 | ZzzGogo_ | heehee |
| 01:55.32 | NoRemorse | why would you install to ram it would disappear after a reboot?! |
| 01:55.34 | kergoth | flash is the 16mb that was read only in sharp |
| 01:55.37 | kergoth | NoRemorse: IT DOESNT |
| 01:55.41 | kergoth | jesus you're a dumbfuck |
| 01:55.46 | NoRemorse | so it is flash! |
| 01:55.48 | kergoth | NoRemorse: sharp's / IS A RAMDISK |
| 01:55.52 | kergoth | NoRemorse:wrong. |
| 01:55.53 | ZzzGogo_ | i crashed aqpkg several times trying to install stuff... larger files like konqueror ... |
| 01:55.56 | kergoth | NoRemorse: its a persistant ramdisk. |
| 01:56.02 | kergoth | NoRemorse: full reset will wipe it, reboot will not. |
| 01:56.04 | kergoth | NoRemorse: get a clue before speaking. |
| 01:56.15 | NoRemorse | made from flash ram :) just being pendantic |
| 01:56.27 | kergoth | no, you're being fucking stupid. |
| 01:56.28 | kergoth | its RAM |
| 01:56.31 | kergoth | not FLASH RAM |
| 01:56.32 | kergoth | RAM |
| 01:56.33 | NoRemorse | kergoth no need to be so nasty dood, it was ZzzGogo_ having a go at you not me |
| 01:56.46 | kergoth | 20:07 < NoRemorse> if you install to mtdram does the app get stored on the rom |
| 01:56.46 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.48 | badl | NoRemorse: is "flash ram" some kind of pornographic ram? |
| 01:56.53 | kergoth | badl: lol |
| 01:56.55 | kergoth | sounds like it |
| 01:56.58 | NoRemorse | badl: hehe |
| 01:57.14 | badl | better keep you clothes on... |
| 01:57.16 | kergoth | NoRemorse: dont fucking act like a moron, i have enough actual morons on my hands, thanks. |
| 01:57.26 | kergoth | NoRemorse: i have better shit to do than waste my time |
| 01:57.29 | ZzzGogo_ | me, e.g. :) |
| 01:57.39 | badl | kergoth: a ruff day at work has it been? |
| 01:57.48 | NoRemorse | kergoth: the way I thought it worked was there was a single 64MB flash rom in the zaurus, so if I install something to ram, and it's there when I reboot, I assumed it was stored on that same chip thats all |
| 01:57.50 | kergoth | badl: not particularly, no |
| 01:57.55 | kergoth | NoRemorse: no |
| 01:58.00 | kergoth | NoRemorse: go read your manual |
| 01:58.03 | kergoth | NoRemorse: that came with the Z |
| 01:58.06 | kergoth | NoRemorse: and gain a clue, then come back |
| 01:58.22 | kergoth | i'm sure you like your assumptions, but gaining actual facts is preferred |
| 01:58.23 | NoRemorse | jesus christ dood you'll bust a blood vessel |
| 01:58.34 | noidd | NoRemorse: its ordinary RAM, |
| 01:58.48 | kergoth | NoRemorse: yes, idiot end users do that to me. |
| 01:59.09 | NoRemorse | ok so I didnt read my fuckign manual doesnt mean I am an idiot |
| 01:59.24 | ZzzGogo_ | kergoth gets an end user every day ... |
| 01:59.26 | kergoth | sorry, inable to help yourself and reliant on others |
| 01:59.28 | kergoth | to clarify |
| 01:59.43 | kergoth | dont waste my fucking time and the time of others in here if you cant be bothered to read. |
| 02:00.00 | NoRemorse | dood take a pill |
| 02:00.04 | NoRemorse | and chill |
| 02:00.12 | *** kick/#zaurus [NoRemorse!~kergoth@oemx.digi.com] by kergoth (a red pill?) |
| 02:00.22 | treke|laptop | haha |
| 02:00.33 | kergoth | couldnt resist ;) |
| 02:00.43 | noidd | someone has ops? when did that happen - lol |
| 02:00.54 | kergoth | lmao |
| 02:01.10 | noidd | I'm glad you have ops |
| 02:01.18 | noidd | an "armed" channel is a "polite" channel :-) |
| 02:01.21 | ZzzGogo_ | kergoth: where can i find out which app was installed where afterwards? do i have to look in the apps folders? |
| 02:01.34 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: hmm, aqpkg should show you the installed destination.. |
| 02:01.43 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: try double tapping on an app in aqpkg |
| 02:02.10 | ZzzGogo_ | cooooooooool |
| 02:02.15 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: show it there? |
| 02:02.21 | kergoth | the double tap isnt very intuitive |
| 02:02.25 | kergoth | but its really cool when you find that |
| 02:02.27 | kergoth | in aqpkg |
| 02:02.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:02.33 | ZzzGogo_ | :) |
| 02:02.35 | sandman_ | kergoth: which qt/e version are you using to build oz ? |
| 02:02.42 | kergoth | sandman_: 2.3.4-beta2 atm |
| 02:02.49 | kergoth | sandman_: plus all your patches of course :) |
| 02:02.49 | ZzzGogo_ | its not used in many apps... thats why i kinda forgot about that |
| 02:02.56 | sandman_ | don't use this .. the moc in this version has a bug |
| 02:03.01 | kergoth | ZzzGogo_: yeah, i didnt know about it either till i pestered andy |
| 02:03.07 | kergoth | sandman_: use a recent snapshot instead? |
| 02:03.14 | ZzzGogo_ | *g* |
| 02:03.15 | sandman_ | if you don't construct a QApp object, your programm crashes on exit |
| 02:03.24 | kergoth | sandman_: ack |
| 02:03.35 | ljp | bored |
| 02:03.37 | sandman_ | kergoth: or use a moc from a ercent snapshot |
| 02:03.47 | kergoth | sandman_: hmmm k |
| 02:03.51 | noidd | kergoth: "never argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience" |
| 02:03.58 | kergoth | noidd: hah, classic. |
| 02:04.12 | kergoth | noidd: but its *fun*! |
| 02:04.14 | sandman_ | kergoth: and re-compiled *everything* that uses moc files (I forgot Qt/e itself ...) |
| 02:04.15 | *** join/#zaurus NoRemorse (brett@202.161.64.1) |
| 02:04.15 | kergoth | noidd: at times anyway |
| 02:04.20 | NoRemorse | :( |
| 02:04.21 | kergoth | sandman_: geh.. |
| 02:04.28 | kergoth | sandman_: okay thanks :) |
| 02:04.31 | noidd | hehe |
| 02:05.09 | sandman_ | kergoth: forget it .. they use the pre'moc'ed allmoc.cpp -- doesn't help then |
| 02:05.27 | kergoth | sandman_: k |
| 02:05.55 | sandman_ | that's why opie-login is crashing on exit |
| 02:06.01 | kergoth | sandman_: hah |
| 02:06.03 | kergoth | sandman_: k |
| 02:06.17 | sandman_ | the master process never allocates a QApp object |
| 02:06.38 | NoRemorse | looks liek www.openzaurus.org is offline |
| 02:07.49 | badl | NoRemorse: how do you figure that? |
| 02:08.06 | NoRemorse | timing out, cant ping, cant telnet to it on port 80 |
| 02:08.31 | NoRemorse | all the usual signs :) |
| 02:08.41 | NoRemorse | dont tell me it's ok for you?! |
| 02:09.17 | badl | NoRemorse: yeah its ok for me |
| 02:09.20 | NoRemorse | ahh abck again |
| 02:09.27 | NoRemorse | it's back for me too |
| 02:09.30 | Cloudchaser | badl: hiya |
| 02:09.38 | Cloudchaser | you did the xrick port didn't you? |
| 02:09.49 | NoRemorse | slow tho |
| 02:09.57 | badl | Cloudchaser: yeah.... |
| 02:10.10 | Cloudchaser | i was wondering.. is it possible for it NOT to rotate? |
| 02:10.20 | Cloudchaser | or for it to be an option? |
| 02:10.45 | badl | Cloudchaser: i have thought about that, but the screen becomes to small and the sprite look screwed |
| 02:10.51 | Cloudchaser | i'm right handed and when it rotates the controls are on the left and its very awkward |
| 02:11.02 | Cloudchaser | used to having controls below, not off to the side ;) |
| 02:11.22 | treke|laptop | Cloudchaser: SDL has a flag to rotate it so controls are on the right |
| 02:11.23 | badl | interesting.... i'm right handed too, how about having the screen rotate the other way (180 degrees)? |
| 02:11.27 | treke|laptop | dont think you can do the bottom though |
| 02:12.16 | Cloudchaser | i'd definitely try it again with it rotated the other way |
| 02:12.25 | Cloudchaser | i'm seriously game-challenged though :) |
| 02:12.31 | treke|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.18 | badl | Cloudchaser: i'll have a look into it |
| 02:13.38 | Cloudchaser | thanks.. it might just be me so if no one else cares...don't waste alot of time at it ;0 |
| 02:14.05 | badl | Cloudchaser: there has been 1 other person who asked, and its something i have thought about myself |
| 02:14.38 | Cloudchaser | the problem with it being sideways is..its awkward to hold the z and work the controls |
| 02:14.45 | Cloudchaser | but i think some people like that |
| 02:14.52 | Cloudchaser | or don't mind it |
| 02:15.02 | Cloudchaser | i tried the opie rotation thing once |
| 02:15.07 | *** join/#zaurus levi__ (~levi@ash.lnxi.com) |
| 02:15.14 | Cloudchaser | didnt' like it much |
| 02:15.21 | Cloudchaser | but some seem to really like it |
| 02:15.32 | badl | i have gotten use to it, like holding with boths hands, like the old old nintendo games |
| 02:15.47 | Cloudchaser | i'd like it if the controls were at the bottom but having things on the side is awkward to me |
| 02:16.00 | treke|laptop | opie rotation is more useful if you want to run your pda differently all the time. doesnt switch well on the fly |
| 02:16.29 | Cloudchaser | i'm hoping to see the c700 at linux world in january |
| 02:16.37 | Cloudchaser | to see how that is |
| 02:17.44 | badl | the c700 will rock, i just wish they had a even BIGGER battery ;) |
| 02:17.57 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
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| 02:18.47 | *** part/#zaurus kolla (~kolla@firda.home.uninett.no) |
| 02:21.36 | badl | Cloudchaser: type what treke said if you want to rotate xrick screen the other way, ie type this at the cmdline # export SDL_QT_INVERT_ROTATION=1; xrick |
| 02:21.56 | Cloudchaser | ok do i have to do that every time? |
| 02:22.23 | badl | Cloudchaser: shouldn't do, that just sets the SDL environment variable |
| 02:22.48 | Cloudchaser | ok then will that affect all sdl stuff? |
| 02:22.57 | badl | most likely |
| 02:22.59 | Cloudchaser | or does the xrick say do it only for xrick |
| 02:23.12 | badl | just set it to =0 to return back to the default |
| 02:23.12 | Cloudchaser | cause other games use sdl and aren't rotated |
| 02:23.16 | Cloudchaser | ok |
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| 02:28.53 | warmi | re |
| 02:29.50 | Cloudchaser | hullo warmi :) |
| 02:30.17 | *** join/#zaurus NoRemorse (brett@202.161.64.1) |
| 02:30.53 | warmi | heh |
| 02:32.31 | warmi | Cloudchaser: when you are ircing , are you generally using Zaurus for that or just your regular desktop machine ? |
| 02:34.07 | Cloudchaser | my laptop |
| 02:34.15 | Cloudchaser | z is too hard to type on for long |
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| 02:34.23 | warmi | oh, you got a laptop |
| 02:34.38 | Cloudchaser | hehe yeah.. an old one but...it does the trick |
| 02:34.46 | warmi | yeah, Z is ok for reading stuff ( some stuff at least) but not too comfortable for any extended typing |
| 02:34.52 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 02:35.19 | Cloudchaser | would be good for instant messaging if there ever comes a reasonble wireless internet service with good coverage |
| 02:35.42 | warmi | uh .. this IRC client just told me that I have new mail ... what the heck ? |
| 02:35.53 | warmi | does this ibot support mail ? |
| 02:35.58 | warmi | ibot help |
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| 02:36.42 | warmi | nah .. that stupid irc client must be tracking my system email and inserting messages about it into irc conversation stream |
| 02:36.45 | warmi | strange |
| 02:37.02 | *** join/#zaurus NoRemorse (brett@202.161.64.1) |
| 02:37.11 | warmi | I don't even know what I am using here .. perhaps I should take a closer look at this irc client :-) |
| 02:37.20 | warmi | who knows what else is it doing behind my back |
| 02:37.33 | warmi | Cloudchaser: instant messaging is like addiction |
| 02:37.36 | warmi | I try to avoid that |
| 02:37.36 | warmi | heeh |
| 02:38.33 | Cloudchaser | hehe no its not email |
| 02:38.36 | Cloudchaser | its like messages i think |
| 02:38.50 | Cloudchaser | i think you say "ibot mail" |
| 02:38.58 | Cloudchaser | ibot mail |
| 02:39.00 | | it has been said that mail is on it's way :-) |
| 02:39.06 | warmi | hah |
| 02:39.07 | Cloudchaser | hmm maybe not |
| 02:39.08 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 02:39.12 | Cloudchaser | ibot read mail |
| 02:39.14 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Cloudchaser |
| 02:39.19 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 02:39.38 | warmi | no, I know it is my email because I just checked my system email and it indeed has 7 messages waiting ( just like the message on the screen said) |
| 02:39.52 | Cloudchaser | hmm |
| 02:39.58 | warmi | I am telling you , that irc client must be checking my mail queue ( I am on Linux know) |
| 02:40.06 | Cloudchaser | how odd |
| 02:40.12 | Cloudchaser | i never get that |
| 02:40.38 | warmi | are you running Linux on your desktop machine ? |
| 02:41.02 | warmi | You have new mail (7 messages, 8352 bytes total). |
| 02:41.06 | warmi | this is what I told me |
| 02:41.22 | warmi | I have to read up on this "feature" of that irc client |
| 02:41.52 | warmi | correction: what IT told me |
| 02:42.01 | Cloudchaser | what irc client are you using? |
| 02:42.11 | *** join/#zaurus NoRemorse (brett@202.161.64.1) |
| 02:42.17 | warmi | well, anyway = as long as it stops short of posting my email messages on this channel I am fine with that |
| 02:42.23 | warmi | I am using xchat |
| 02:42.26 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 02:42.28 | warmi | a simple client for Linux |
| 02:42.29 | Cloudchaser | i'm using xchat too |
| 02:42.37 | Cloudchaser | on linux :) |
| 02:42.51 | warmi | well, then my xchat is more evil than yours .. or so it seems |
| 02:42.51 | warmi | heeh |
| 02:42.56 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 02:43.56 | warmi | and that's not even my real email |
| 02:44.15 | warmi | I keep all my email on my mail server and retrieve it using pop protocol only |
| 02:44.25 | ljp | thats cheating! |
| 02:44.38 | warmi | these 7 messages are some sort of stupid system messages about some stuff I don't really care about |
| 02:44.56 | warmi | ljp: uh .. well, I like cheating then |
| 02:45.00 | warmi | it suits me well |
| 02:45.02 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:45.46 | warmi | I don't like that "proc-mail - go-get my email and put it on my system" style of Unix |
| 02:46.02 | warmi | I like typical pop3 or imap client so I know where my mail is at all times :-) |
| 02:46.08 | kergoth | mm imap/ssl |
| 02:46.31 | warmi | and I run my own little qmail server so I am 100 self-sufficient |
| 02:46.54 | warmi | well , 100% as long as telocity keeps my connection up , that is |
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| 02:47.25 | warmi | kergoth: you run your own servers ? |
| 02:47.54 | kergoth | warmi: for email? used to, but at&t cable isnt reliable enough for that for my purposes |
| 02:47.59 | kergoth | warmi: so not any longer |
| 02:48.43 | warmi | how unreliable it is ? |
| 02:48.56 | warmi | like down every other day kind of unreliable ? |
| 02:49.28 | kergoth | nah, once every few weeks or so unreliable recently. used to be worse |
| 02:49.39 | warmi | my telocity works pretty well - I mean maybe 1-2 hours down time per month |
| 02:49.49 | warmi | at least recently - it used to be worse before |
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| 02:50.04 | NoRemorse | kergoth any eta on the new release please? |
| 02:50.15 | kergoth | NoRemorse: whenever my box finishes compiling it :) |
| 02:50.20 | NoRemorse | cool ta |
| 02:50.26 | NoRemorse | I'll grab some food :) |
| 02:50.28 | kergoth | nothing left to be done other than the build |
| 02:50.29 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:50.51 | NoRemorse | I got operan and hancomm off the sharp rom, all ready to test it for ya :) |
| 02:50.56 | NoRemorse | bbs |
| 02:52.36 | ljp | ibot: inpsire me |
| 02:52.37 | | ljp: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:52.48 | ljp | uhh no |
| 02:52.58 | ljp | oh wait |
| 02:53.04 | ljp | ibot inspire me |
| 02:53.06 | | ljp: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:53.18 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:54.32 | ljp | build away, kergoth! :D |
| 02:58.09 | *** join/#zaurus ult (ultima@bespin.org) |
| 02:58.32 | ult | is this channel logged by a bot anywhere? |
| 02:58.45 | kergoth | ibot: logs |
| 02:58.47 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
| 02:58.50 | ult | nifty |
| 02:59.51 | badl | ult: so that means you can't be a naughty boy! |
| 03:00.19 | warmi | yeah, every stupid word we utter here is being logged somewhere.. uhhh |
| 03:01.08 | ult | badl: channel logs contain much wisdom |
| 03:01.19 | ult | badl: I read channel logs more than I actually get on IRC :) |
| 03:01.19 | badl | indeed |
| 03:03.12 | warmi | yeah .. especially when guy like Freedy ( or whatver was his nick ) comes in and starts basically 4 pages worth of OPIE flaming |
| 03:03.13 | warmi | heeh |
| 03:03.49 | ult | hmm |
| 03:03.52 | ult | how durable is the Sharp's flash ROM? |
| 03:04.00 | noidd | X is your friend |
| 03:04.06 | noidd | :-d |
| 03:04.10 | noidd | :-D |
| 03:04.26 | badl | ult: lets just say, I don't think any1 has worn it out yet ;) |
| 03:04.51 | noidd | and boy has it been given some exercise :-) |
| 03:04.56 | ult | badl: Just concerned about using a writable ROM |
| 03:05.11 | badl | ult: you shouldn't be, its more a myth |
| 03:05.55 | ult | badl: Well, some flash chips do fail after a small number of writes (500-1000) |
| 03:06.28 | ljp | my brain fails after a small number of writes |
| 03:06.58 | badl | ljp: lets just hope it doesn't fail the "reads"! |
| 03:07.15 | ult | What is MSR? |
| 03:08.32 | ljp | oh, it does sometimes. 0's become 1's and vice versa :D |
| 03:09.24 | badl | ult: is it not that new motocross game, demo was released a few days ago |
| 03:14.03 | warmi | yeah, that one looks really cool |
| 03:14.06 | warmi | almost like 3d |
| 03:14.11 | warmi | I will have to check it out |
| 03:14.21 | badl | yeah the gfx are nice.. however i can't get into the gameplay :( |
| 03:14.46 | ult | who is gonna be selling the 5600? |
| 03:14.55 | badl | sharp ;) |
| 03:15.06 | ult | pft |
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| 03:16.26 | warmi | they said places like OfficeMax will carry 5600 |
| 03:16.35 | warmi | also, bunch of retail places on the web |
| 03:16.49 | ult | what's it gonna retail at? |
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| 03:17.15 | ult | i got a 5500 last week but it came with a dead pixel, so i'm considering returning it and waiting for the 5600 |
| 03:17.25 | warmi | I don't know about the price |
| 03:17.44 | warmi | I think it will be available at the same price 5500 was going for when it first came out |
| 03:18.11 | ult | $500-ish? |
| 03:18.20 | warmi | which was like upper range of $400 or something like that |
| 03:18.32 | warmi | but I don't really know |
| 03:18.33 | treke|home | 400-500 |
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| 03:18.50 | warmi | ipaqs and latest PPC devices with similar hardware go for 500-600 |
| 03:19.06 | ult | yah |
| 03:19.07 | warmi | I mean , why 5600 ? |
| 03:19.11 | warmi | wait for c700 |
| 03:19.18 | warmi | that's something worth waiting for :-) |
| 03:19.23 | ult | the big flipscreen dealy? |
| 03:19.31 | Cloudchaser | its not all that big |
| 03:19.31 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:19.42 | warmi | it surely seems big from the screenshots |
| 03:19.44 | Cloudchaser | from what i hear |
| 03:19.47 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.58 | kergoth | warmi: the shots make it look the same size as the 5500, if a bit thicker |
| 03:20.00 | Cloudchaser | its a bit thicker than the 5500 but not as long |
| 03:20.07 | ult | hmm |
| 03:20.08 | treke|home | warmi: doesnt look too big from some pictures I've seen |
| 03:20.13 | treke|home | could be really big hands |
| 03:20.13 | warmi | that's great then |
| 03:20.16 | warmi | even better |
| 03:20.19 | ult | $700 at dynamism |
| 03:20.25 | warmi | I like it anyway - small or big |
| 03:20.30 | Cloudchaser | i'll wait til it hits us |
| 03:20.39 | Cloudchaser | 700 is a bit too much |
| 03:20.42 | warmi | but $700 seems a bit steep for 64 MB device |
| 03:20.51 | treke|home | with a small battery :) |
| 03:21.10 | Cloudchaser | i'll save my pennies longer and get a fujitsu lifebook p series |
| 03:21.26 | warmi | of course, Sharp would be able to sell it for less since dynamism folks have to put their own markup on top of what they pay to Sharp |
| 03:21.34 | ult | seems more like an overpowered PDA :) my 5500 was ~350 |
| 03:21.35 | Cloudchaser | yes very true |
| 03:21.39 | warmi | not to mention their costs associated with creating English version |
| 03:22.13 | warmi | I would buy c700 on the spot if it was being offered around $550 or so |
| 03:23.02 | treke|home | definuitly. They keyboard looks useful, and a nice large screen would be great |
| 03:23.07 | ult | hmm here's a site that says c700 will be imported by sharp next month for $500 |
| 03:23.18 | kergoth | ult: they're full of shit, so i hear |
| 03:23.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:23.19 | warmi | uh .. man 128 MB PDAs .. just a couple of years ago I was dreaming about having that much in my regular desktop machine |
| 03:23.25 | kergoth | warmi: amazing eh |
| 03:23.33 | ult | ker: Who is? |
| 03:23.42 | warmi | ult: which site ? |
| 03:23.45 | kergoth | ult: the people at the site you're reading. rumor says sharp isnt bringing it here. |
| 03:23.48 | fishbach | Hello. Today I spended my time compiling qte, qpe, trying the Openzaurus-ROM, etc. has anyone tried to recompile qpe and keep opera running? |
| 03:23.51 | ult | http://kennethhunt.com/archives/000463.html |
| 03:23.58 | kergoth | fishbach: opera runs in OZ just fine. |
| 03:24.02 | kergoth | fishbach: use the opera creator |
| 03:24.26 | warmi | ult: read the logs |
| 03:24.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:24.33 | treke|home | ult: What will probably happen is that Dynamism buys the c700 in japan, does who knows how good a job translating it to english, and then sells it in the us |
| 03:24.40 | warmi | there are Sharp US representatives visiting this channel quite often |
| 03:24.50 | ult | treke: Dynamism is already selling them |
| 03:24.53 | treke|home | ult: Openzaurus will probably never support it |
| 03:25.00 | warmi | they denied any "rumors" regarding US launch of c700 |
| 03:25.09 | warmi | treke: why ? |
| 03:25.11 | treke|home | ult: they are preselling them |
| 03:25.11 | kergoth | treke|home: thats not entirely correct. if i get the specs, we'll have support |
| 03:25.12 | fishbach | there is one thing, where I do not feel well with OZ: that is JFFS. I am frightened that I burn my internal flash over the time .. |
| 03:25.22 | ult | kergoth: You work on OZ? |
| 03:25.39 | kergoth | ult: you could say that |
| 03:25.49 | warmi | fishbach: I don;t understand that one either |
| 03:25.50 | ult | kergoth: Whatsyerrole if I may ask? |
| 03:25.55 | warmi | I mean journaling system on PDA ? |
| 03:25.55 | kergoth | ult: project maintainer. |
| 03:25.57 | oGMo | heh ;) |
| 03:25.59 | treke|home | and what do you think the chances of that happening are? :) |
| 03:26.08 | kergoth | treke|home: knowing sharp, not very good ;) |
| 03:26.11 | kergoth | treke|home: but hey, i can hope |
| 03:26.36 | ult | kergoth: Nifty. So do you code, or do you maintain? :) |
| 03:26.41 | kergoth | ult: i run the project |
| 03:26.45 | kergoth | ult: that consists of various roles |
| 03:26.48 | Cloudchaser | he IS the project |
| 03:26.49 | fishbach | warmi: what do you mean? |
| 03:27.21 | kergoth | ult: note that opie is a completely different project, and OZ uses it. Opie consists of a fair size team of talented developers. the openzaurus piece is mine. |
| 03:27.45 | ult | ker: I had lots of fun after I decided to flash an OZ kernel with a Sharp initrd ;) |
| 03:27.47 | warmi | JFFS |
| 03:27.53 | kergoth | ult: hah, doh |
| 03:27.54 | warmi | journaling flash file system |
| 03:27.56 | kergoth | ult: dont do that |
| 03:27.58 | kergoth | ult: :) |
| 03:28.02 | ult | ker: Did I mention I don't have a compact flash writer? |
| 03:28.06 | kergoth | ult: hah |
| 03:28.35 | ult | ker: The worst part is being able to type precludes attachment to the cradle, so fixing it was a *pain |
| 03:28.42 | kergoth | ult: OZ's flash partitioning is more detailed. breaks the flash down farther, changes the device naming |
| 03:28.48 | warmi | kergoth: wasn't that true that just a year ago or so you didn't know much about kernel coding etc ... |
| 03:28.48 | ult | yah |
| 03:29.07 | ult | so I've discovered |
| 03:29.08 | kergoth | warmi: 2 years ago I had never coded in any language but assembler and basic |
| 03:29.14 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:29.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:29.25 | warmi | yeah, but you are young so that doesn't mean anything |
| 03:29.32 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:29.35 | ult | hmm, what's a B500? |
| 03:29.37 | kergoth | plenty of time |
| 03:29.42 | warmi | b500 ? |
| 03:29.43 | treke|home | ult: basically a 5600 |
| 03:29.50 | warmi | ibot B500 |
| 03:29.51 | | warmi: are you smoking crack? |
| 03:29.58 | kergoth | ibot: yes |
| 03:30.01 | | You dont say! |
| 03:30.01 | ult | er, i thought that was the a300? |
| 03:30.07 | fishbach | what about using the kernal and rom-layout from SHARP with OPIE? Is is possible? |
| 03:30.07 | warmi | well, if IBOT doesn't know about that , then it doesn't exist |
| 03:30.20 | kergoth | fishbach: anything is possible |
| 03:30.30 | kergoth | fishbach: not altogether smart, and wouldnt gain you much, but possible nonetheless |
| 03:30.33 | treke|home | ult: no. thae a300 is completly different |
| 03:30.50 | warmi | treke: supposedly , A300 is selling very well in Japan |
| 03:31.37 | ult | nifty |
| 03:31.48 | fishbach | kergoth: it would gain, that I do not use jffs and it seems to me, that the usb-ether-driver is more stable in sharps-kernel .. |
| 03:31.54 | kergoth | fishbach: you're wrong. |
| 03:32.02 | kergoth | fishbach: the usb drivers are identical. to the letter. |
| 03:32.34 | ult | kerg: Is it illegal to reverse-engineer the MMC driver? |
| 03:32.39 | fishbach | kergoth: then i dont understand, wy i had so much trouble today with the OZ-rom .. |
| 03:32.48 | kergoth | ult: if you're in the US, i'd say you'd be in trouble, yes |
| 03:32.55 | kergoth | fishbach: i'd say its probably user error. |
| 03:32.56 | warmi | ult: it is not illegal to reverse engineer anything |
| 03:33.01 | warmi | I mean it is done all the time |
| 03:33.02 | kergoth | fishbach: or its something userspace as relates to usb |
| 03:33.08 | kergoth | fishbach: which has nothing to do with the kernel modules |
| 03:33.17 | treke|home | illegal, probably not, somethign that will get you in deep shit, yes |
| 03:33.21 | ult | warmi: DMCA |
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| 03:33.23 | chouimat | kergoth: op2 don't work with my ogg |
| 03:33.24 | warmi | it is just you can't have any prior knowledge of the source code for whatever you are trying to copy |
| 03:33.37 | kergoth | chouimat: hey dont look at me.. i havent touched it in months ;) |
| 03:33.48 | kergoth | prpplague: hey dave |
| 03:33.53 | kergoth | Sugar: make prpplague a guinness |
| 03:34.03 | chouimat | ljp: op2 don't work with my ogg |
| 03:34.04 | warmi | is MMC used as a "security mechanism" ? |
| 03:34.06 | ult | warmi: Since SD is motivated partially by the SDMI, I'm worried that a reverse-engineered driver would be illegal in the US since it could be used to circumvent copyright protection |
| 03:34.15 | treke|home | warmi: he means sd |
| 03:34.33 | warmi | well, that's something new - I know for a fact that it was legal to reverse engineer code |
| 03:34.42 | warmi | I mean BIOS was done that way by many companies |
| 03:34.47 | prpplague | Sugar: thanks, i've already got a glass of theakstons old peculiar, but i never turn down a guinness |
| 03:34.56 | prpplague | kergoth: whats cookin? |
| 03:35.20 | kergoth | prpplague: nada, chillin. music, and cursing at my compile which is taking too long |
| 03:35.23 | ult | warmi: Yeah, reverse engineering is always allowed for interoperability |
| 03:35.23 | kergoth | prpplague: you? |
| 03:35.24 | warmi | I wonder what prevents Sharp from releasing the source code for that driver? |
| 03:35.29 | ult | warmi: It's third party |
| 03:35.49 | warmi | doesn't Linux have any sort of generic MMC driver ? |
| 03:35.57 | prpplague | kergoth: working on plans for the hackkit |
| 03:35.58 | kergoth | warmi: ipaq has one. |
| 03:36.00 | warmi | I mean, in the main source code tree or soemthing like that |
| 03:36.03 | kergoth | warmi: feel free to port it to the Z |
| 03:36.11 | kergoth | warmi: not mainline, but in the -hh kernels |
| 03:36.16 | warmi | kergoth: I will , sure |
| 03:36.21 | warmi | just give me another 20 years |
| 03:36.23 | warmi | heh |
| 03:36.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:36.52 | warmi | I don;t like this kind of coding .. |
| 03:36.59 | warmi | not enough "instant gratification" |
| 03:37.01 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:37.15 | ult | jesus christ |
| 03:37.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:37.41 | ult | pre-orders on ebay for 5600s are ending at around $440 |
| 03:37.43 | ult | that's not bad |
| 03:37.57 | treke|home | preorders on ebay?! |
| 03:37.59 | treke|home | are you crazy? |
| 03:38.06 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:38.11 | chouimat | hmm op2 don't seems to work with variable rate ogg |
| 03:38.19 | kergoth | chouimat: eek, that sucks |
| 03:38.32 | ult | treke: Guy has 512 feedback and no negatives |
| 03:38.55 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm listening to Kittie - Do you think I'm a whore |
| 03:39.36 | kergoth | chouimat: mm nice, i need to grab some kittie now |
| 03:39.45 | ult | where would you get one from? |
| 03:40.11 | kergoth | ult: i'd wait until they're available |
| 03:40.19 | treke|home | I'd wait till they are out |
| 03:40.32 | treke|home | There a lot of room for massivly fucking up |
| 03:40.36 | Cloudchaser | i'd wait a couple months til the price drops |
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| 03:41.37 | Cloudchaser | after paying pretty much top dollar for my z, getting none of the nice little deals i've seen.. i won't buy early again |
| 03:42.12 | ult | Cloud: Bah, I need a new PDA already :( It's either a 5500 or a 5600 |
| 03:42.22 | warmi | Cloudchaser: that's always the case no matter what you buy |
| 03:42.26 | badl | Cloudchaser: i will buy early, i'm prepared to pay for the novelty and having first ;) |
| 03:42.34 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 03:42.58 | ult | Cloud: If it werent for the palm I until recently had, I wouldn't be able to remember anything :) |
| 03:43.00 | Cloudchaser | my z will do fine for me til i find a nice deal :0 |
| 03:43.01 | warmi | I bought Athlon CPU like a year ago for 170 and now they sell it for like $40 or so |
| 03:43.09 | warmi | I mean, you'l never win |
| 03:43.19 | ult | warmi: Sure you will. You'll be cooler than all the other kids. |
| 03:43.27 | Cloudchaser | i'm not a kid |
| 03:43.29 | NeoTron | with computers, you most definitely do nt |
| 03:43.33 | warmi | well, the think is I am not a kid anymore |
| 03:43.33 | Cloudchaser | i don't have to be cool any more |
| 03:43.33 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:43.40 | NeoTron | even consumer electroncis suffer from it but not as much |
| 03:43.44 | NeoTron | good example is dvd players |
| 03:43.55 | warmi | and that "the collest kind around" explanation would not work for my wife |
| 03:43.58 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:44.05 | NoRemorse | kergoth hows the compile going? |
| 03:44.15 | kergoth | NoRemorse: b0rked, had a typo |
| 03:44.18 | kergoth | NoRemorse: going again now |
| 03:44.19 | NoRemorse | doh |
| 03:44.23 | NoRemorse | cool |
| 03:44.26 | ult | Er does the 5600 have an internal or external mic/speaker? |
| 03:44.46 | warmi | I think it does |
| 03:44.54 | treke|home | ult: according to the specs, yes to both |
| 03:44.56 | NoRemorse | internal I think |
| 03:44.59 | ult | oo |
| 03:45.05 | treke|home | er internal mic/speaker |
| 03:45.08 | NoRemorse | http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/2593.html |
| 03:45.09 | ult | internal mono speaker, external stereo jack, but what about mic? |
| 03:45.10 | NoRemorse | good article |
| 03:45.32 | NoRemorse | c700 looks cool |
| 03:45.39 | treke|home | ult: speaker should be internal |
| 03:45.53 | treke|home | ult: remember, these devices dont exist yet. No one has one |
| 03:46.30 | fishbach | \whois fishbach |
| 03:46.32 | ult | treke: b500's exist |
| 03:46.36 | warmi | treke: even 5600 ? |
| 03:46.43 | ult | treke: Which, as far as I can tell, are identical to 5600s |
| 03:46.53 | warmi | I thought Jason said that only c700 was pretty much a dream at this point |
| 03:47.04 | treke|home | ult: you sure? Last I heard it was expected to be released the 14th |
| 03:47.05 | NoRemorse | c700 due in Jan |
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| 03:47.39 | ult | treke: well, ok, they exist, but aren't sold :) |
| 03:48.18 | NeoTron | treke|home: well, you're wrong |
| 03:48.24 | NeoTron | they both exist |
| 03:48.27 | treke|home | NeoTron: oh, they out? |
| 03:48.47 | NeoTron | "...aiming at Dec. 13th sales date (at retails)." |
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| 03:49.08 | NeoTron | '[...] our initial production lot is all *sold out* by the "in-advance |
| 03:49.08 | NeoTron | reservations".' |
| 03:49.17 | treke|home | Well I meant exist in the sense that anyone has one yet outside sharp :) |
| 03:49.26 | warmi | I told Neo: this is why people consider you to be this channel ORACLE |
| 03:49.27 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:49.29 | NeoTron | so they will be out friday as a target but are already sold out |
| 03:49.39 | warmi | and you get asked about issues with products you never even seen |
| 03:49.40 | warmi | heeh |
| 03:49.58 | NeoTron | treke|home: you are wrong there too - I can't tell you more than that though |
| 03:50.03 | warmi | like this guy with xmms question tonight |
| 03:50.06 | ult | damn. Is there a pre-order in US for em? |
| 03:50.06 | treke|home | sweet :) |
| 03:50.06 | NeoTron | just know that SOMEONE has both the models |
| 03:50.34 | NeoTron | ult: for 5600? Because C700 and B500 are Japan-only |
| 03:50.34 | ult | Neo: yeah |
| 03:50.34 | NeoTron | and no, it's not me... :) |
| 03:50.36 | NoRemorse | cyoo someone is gonna import the c700 |
| 03:50.53 | NeoTron | ult: I'd say "no", especially since it's not aimed at the retail market but enterprise |
| 03:51.04 | NeoTron | NoRemorse: sure, but that's not quite the same thing |
| 03:51.10 | NoRemorse | Dynamism |
| 03:51.19 | ult | Neo: Should I return my 5500 with a dead pixel and wait for a 5600 to come out? |
| 03:51.21 | NoRemorse | true |
| 03:51.33 | NoRemorse | ult if u can get awya with it hehe |
| 03:51.48 | ult | I can try really hard. |
| 03:52.07 | NeoTron | ult: well, From what I know of the XScale 400 MHz, the 5600 might be slower, which is a big minus |
| 03:52.28 | DaWorm | but i like the speaker |
| 03:52.31 | kergoth | NeoTron: what stepping is the chip that made it into the 5600? |
| 03:52.31 | DaWorm | and the mic |
| 03:52.31 | NeoTron | of course it has bigger battery, better memory configuration, no volatile storage (i.e user files are on internal flash or sd/cf) |
| 03:52.33 | ult | Neo: Really? I'd heard the XScale was slower because of flaws in the original revision, and crappy software? |
| 03:52.48 | kergoth | ult: more than just the original revision, its had flaws all along, though its improving |
| 03:52.55 | NeoTron | kergoth: good question. If I understant it 'c' is the one you want and 'a' and 'b' you don't want |
| 03:52.57 | NeoTron | but I don't know |
| 03:53.09 | kergoth | NeoTron: thats what i understand as well |
| 03:53.15 | kergoth | NeoTron: somehow i doubt its C0, but we can hope |
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| 03:53.55 | NeoTron | I wouldn't know really |
| 03:54.06 | kergoth | guess we'll see |
| 03:54.09 | NoRemorse | "Reported on nvmax |
| 03:54.09 | NoRemorse | As I expected the Sharp C700 will be imported to the U.S. Availability is limited, if you're interested check it out |
| 03:54.10 | NoRemorse | " |
| 03:54.11 | treke|home | how well does qtopia run with only 32MB of ram? Things like OP2 have problems? |
| 03:54.32 | NoRemorse | Sharp are gonna import them in Jan |
| 03:54.55 | NeoTron | treke|home: 32 MB is fine, 32 MB split is not really |
| 03:55.11 | ult | Neo: What specifically causes the XScale to be slower? |
| 03:55.15 | NeoTron | NoRemorse: huh? Sharp won't import C700's... |
| 03:55.32 | NeoTron | it is not engineered for the US market - for example the software isn't |
| 03:55.32 | treke|home | NoRemorse: Someone else will import them. Sharp isnt doing it |
| 03:55.36 | NoRemorse | "If you can wait until January the official import from Sharp of the Zaurus C700 will be unveiled at the consumer electronics show" |
| 03:55.39 | NeoTron | ult: if I understand it, some memory bandwidth/cache bug/issue |
| 03:55.41 | ult | NoRemorse: The site they drew their article from said that the site *they* drew their article from was wrong and that it won't be imported |
| 03:55.45 | NoRemorse | http://kennethhunt.com/archives/000463.html |
| 03:55.48 | kergoth | NoRemorse: a japanese demo was at CES |
| 03:55.49 | NeoTron | so a hardware bug |
| 03:55.50 | ult | Neo: Are all revisions affected? |
| 03:55.51 | kergoth | NoRemorse: that means nothing |
| 03:55.56 | kergoth | NoRemorse: or will be that is |
| 03:55.59 | NoRemorse | k |
| 03:56.20 | NoRemorse | wont trust that then :) |
| 03:56.26 | NeoTron | NoRemorse: You are incorrect, really. Jason has many times said that there are no nearterm plans for C700 (or similar) release in the US |
| 03:56.46 | NoRemorse | NeoTron: I am incorrect?! I didnt write trhat article! |
| 03:56.53 | NeoTron | of course, he might be wrong but I think he's more likely to be correct than the article |
| 03:56.59 | NoRemorse | fair enough |
| 03:57.00 | NeoTron | NoRemorse: whatever, you know what I meant. :P |
| 03:57.09 | NoRemorse | :) |
| 04:00.30 | fishbach | to come a little closer to my decision, what to use and what do devellop for Opie or Qpe: What about compatibility? Will hancom tools run with opie? |
| 04:00.40 | NoRemorse | yep |
| 04:00.43 | kergoth | fishbach: hancom runs fine |
| 04:01.34 | ult | If you develop for Qpe aren't you developing for Opie? |
| 04:01.59 | NoreAway | bbl |
| 04:02.01 | fishbach | well I need some little changes ... |
| 04:02.13 | kergoth | fishbach: your same app will work with both qtopia and opie |
| 04:02.19 | kergoth | fishbach: just use libqpe and you're fine |
| 04:02.27 | kergoth | fishbach: if you want to use libopie, go ahea |
| 04:02.27 | fishbach | nothing very interessting, but affecting qpe btw launcher |
| 04:02.35 | kergoth | fishbach: ? |
| 04:04.43 | fishbach | ofcause my application will run on both, but i like changes affectig the look and feel of everything |
| 04:05.34 | fishbach | for example no 3 (or configurable nr of) tabs for stating the applications ... |
| 04:05.51 | kergoth | fishbach: ? |
| 04:06.30 | fishbach | kergoth: as I understood so far of opie: I like to write my own launcher! |
| 04:06.40 | kergoth | fishbach: okay, what does that have to do with opie or qpe? |
| 04:06.53 | kergoth | fishbach: your same launcher will run fine linked against libqpe from either. |
| 04:07.41 | fishbach | ok, perhaps i have a wrong idea ... is opie a fork of qtopia some time ago and living in parall, or is it an extension of qtopia? |
| 04:07.51 | kergoth | opie is a fork. |
| 04:08.00 | ult | Neo: Where is your speed information re; Xscale being slower than SArm coming from? |
| 04:08.08 | kergoth | ibot: xscale |
| 04:08.10 | | rumour has it, xscale is a arm processor from intel, with numerous errata. see http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/specupdt/278534.htm |
| 04:08.13 | kergoth | ult: read up |
| 04:09.24 | fishbach | kergoth: so I have 2 possibilities a) changing qtopia 1.5.0 (for example), or b) changing opie ... |
| 04:09.38 | kergoth | fishbach: or 3) build your own launcher |
| 04:09.42 | kergoth | s/3/c/ |
| 04:11.52 | fishbach | kergoth: hmm... I like to play around with full compatibility, if I will produce something useful for everybody, ok then I will look how an where it integrates best ... |
| 04:13.11 | ult | yow, ok, so there is a tremendous amount of overhead compensating for each of the flaws |
| 04:13.28 | kergoth | ult: yep |
| 04:13.38 | fishbach | but I can still not believe, that I can base on the source of opia and make an ipkg for those how are running qtopia, not in the area, i like to do my changes ... am I wrong? |
| 04:13.49 | kergoth | fishbach: what? |
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| 04:15.47 | fishbach | Ok, well.. I will continue my investigations, to get a sharper idea of the functionality of it at all .. ;-) |
| 04:16.30 | kergoth | fishbach: have fun ;) |
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| 04:19.27 | fishbach | one last thing ... back to jffs vs. cramfs. Is there a real need of jffs. Isn't it a better idea to let the user pack the application he need together on the deskop and let him there make a cramfs-image, in comparison, with frequent changes of CF-Blocks? |
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| 04:22.50 | fishbach | btw. what is the typical number of rewrite-cycles of an CF-block before it dies? |
| 04:23.15 | ult | Many chips are rated at a million |
| 04:24.24 | kergoth | depends on the flash, but its not much of a concern |
| 04:24.35 | kergoth | jffs2 does use wear leveling, so no individual blocks will get worn |
| 04:24.39 | kergoth | more than others |
| 04:24.51 | ult | so the entire thing'll die at once :) |
| 04:25.01 | kergoth | yeah, someday |
| 04:25.02 | kergoth | ;) |
| 04:25.13 | kergoth | by that time, my Z will be obselete and i wont care |
| 04:26.59 | ult | pfft, obsolete, what do words like this mean! |
| 04:27.21 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:27.49 | ult | planned obsolescence is a big shame |
| 04:27.57 | kergoth | such is life |
| 04:28.21 | ult | it worries me that SL5600 is aimed at "enterprise" |
| 04:28.36 | ult | I wonder if by that they mean people who play golf for a living (and occasionaly attend meetings in places like hawaii) |
| 04:28.41 | kergoth | ult: doesnt surprise me |
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| 04:29.10 | ult | You can get the functional model for $1000 or the non-functional-model which just shows screen shots for $500 |
| 04:29.56 | ult | how unstable is oz-testing or oz-unstable? |
| 04:31.18 | kergoth | ult: in most ways more stable than stable |
| 04:31.22 | kergoth | ult: testing = stable right now |
| 04:31.30 | kergoth | ult: later tonight, 3.1rc1 releases |
| 04:31.36 | kergoth | ult: at that point current unstable becomes testing |
| 04:31.43 | kergoth | ult: and we begin the 3.1 testing cycle |
| 04:31.56 | ult | swee |
| 04:31.58 | ult | sweet, too. |
| 04:32.12 | ult | are you releasing an initrd.bin and zImage, or lots of ipkg? |
| 04:32.34 | fishbach | I tested today, OZ 3.0 - Roms, and had large problems, with the usb-connection to my linux-host ... |
| 04:32.34 | kergoth | both |
| 04:32.45 | kergoth | fishbach: linux usb to the zaurus sucks with any rom |
| 04:32.53 | kergoth | fishbach: if you're using usbdnet, which i dont recommend |
| 04:32.55 | kergoth | fishbach: try usbnet |
| 04:33.05 | ult | on the zaurus or on the host? |
| 04:33.12 | erikd | kergoth: is that the new kernel patch? |
| 04:33.35 | kergoth | erikd: yep, battery status is much improved |
| 04:33.38 | kergoth | erikd: you get a normal % |
| 04:33.49 | kergoth | no more 4 levels |
| 04:34.00 | erikd | uhmmm, i'm confused |
| 04:34.05 | erikd | :) |
| 04:34.08 | ult | hmm, does Qtopia give you 4 levels? |
| 04:34.47 | kergoth | ult: its not qtopia |
| 04:34.48 | fishbach | I did have the same problems with usb with the sharp roms below 2.36. Afterward, everyting worked very fine ... |
| 04:34.49 | kergoth | ult: its the kernel |
| 04:35.12 | erikd | kergoth: is that kernel patch for the z's kernel or the desktop's kernel? |
| 04:35.15 | kergoth | erikd: erikd Z |
| 04:35.17 | kergoth | check this |
| 04:35.21 | kergoth | on my Z |
| 04:35.23 | kergoth | # apm |
| 04:35.31 | kergoth | AC off-line, battery status high: 96% |
| 04:35.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:35.38 | WormLunch | whoa |
| 04:35.53 | erikd | # apm |
| 04:36.02 | erikd | AC offl-line, battery status high: 100% |
| 04:36.05 | kergoth | thank tik for this, his patch gave us status that doesnt suck |
| 04:36.05 | erikd | bah |
| 04:36.07 | erikd | off-line* |
| 04:36.27 | erikd | that's in 3.0, too? because that's what i'm running |
| 04:36.37 | kergoth | no. |
| 04:36.41 | kergoth | it was after 3.0 released |
| 04:36.54 | ult | kerg: bleh, I meant the Sharp initrd with Qtopia |
| 04:36.55 | erikd | why does mine do that %? |
| 04:37.00 | ult | kerg: The battery monitor |
| 04:37.12 | kergoth | ult: i know. |
| 04:37.20 | erikd | or do you mean that little icon on the statusbar thing? |
| 04:37.22 | kergoth | ult: just clarifying. qtopia and opie have nothing to do with battery status |
| 04:37.29 | kergoth | erikd: the % is useless |
| 04:37.32 | kergoth | erikd: or nearly so |
| 04:37.35 | erikd | ah |
| 04:37.49 | ult | kerg: Sorry, im tired :) |
| 04:37.52 | kergoth | isnt any longer |
| 04:37.56 | kergoth | ult: np, been a long day here too |
| 04:38.13 | erikd | where can i get that usbnet kernel patch? i wanna finally be able to use my z in linux :) |
| 04:38.29 | kergoth | erikd: linux-usb-devel mailing list archives |
| 04:38.31 | kergoth | erikd: actually |
| 04:38.43 | kergoth | erikd: afair its in 2.4.21-pre |
| 04:38.53 | erikd | hmmm |
| 04:39.11 | erikd | err, later |
| 04:39.13 | erikd | working now =/ |
| 04:39.49 | erikd | Oct 30 2002TKC applications have now been confirmed to work properly on OpenZaurus |
| 04:40.01 | kergoth | erikd: sandman fixed the last remaining compatibility bugs |
| 04:40.12 | erikd | does that mean the up and down button on the rocker work in tkcplayer to turn up/down volume? |
| 04:40.12 | kergoth | erikd: jeode, tkc, hancom word, sheet, presenter all work flawlessly |
| 04:40.19 | kergoth | erikd: that one, i dunno |
| 04:40.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:40.38 | erikd | ah, i have that one too :) |
| 04:40.42 | WormLunch | hehe at least mahjong is faster now |
| 04:40.50 | NoRemorse | what i miss |
| 04:45.19 | fishbach | good mornig form the west of germany, I will leave. Thank you so far. |
| 04:45.31 | kergoth | fishbach: ttyl |
| 04:45.41 | kergoth | hm, johnsonville brats, corn, and a whiskey & coke |
| 04:45.43 | kergoth | good stuff |
| 04:46.04 | ult | hmm, and you're planning an an OZ release tonight? |
| 04:46.10 | kergoth | course |
| 04:46.14 | treke|home | kergoth: yumm |
| 04:46.27 | ult | off the main site? |
| 04:46.28 | erikd | anyone selling one cheap? |
| 04:46.37 | kergoth | ult: yep it'll be in the download area |
| 04:46.45 | kergoth | ult: and i'll send announcement to the appropriate lists |
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| 04:48.10 | jurrie | can anyone point me to a description of OZ's filesystem layout philosophy? When I ran OZ3.0 things were different than expected. I'd like to have a better understanding before I get screw things up again with 3.1 :-) |
| 04:49.14 | Pendalar | should be on the site faq but can't say I've looked |
| 04:49.25 | Pendalar | I'm using sharp atm again |
| 04:49.57 | kergoth | Pendalar: why, if i may ask? |
| 04:50.47 | Pendalar | honestly I'm waiting on getting a MMC card, because right now I just have a CF one, and it's annoying switching back and forth between it and the wifi |
| 04:51.02 | Pendalar | so my plan is get the mmc, wait for 3.1 since you guys said it's coming, and do it |
| 04:51.07 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 04:51.45 | Pendalar | how long before it's about ready anyways? |
| 04:51.56 | Pendalar | not pushing, and don't give me that Quake 2 response "when it's done" |
| 04:52.00 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 04:52.08 | kergoth | Pendalar: release candidate 1 is out tonight to start the testing phase |
| 04:52.17 | NoRemorse | Pendalar: it's almost off the production line! |
| 04:52.36 | Pendalar | I need a better GCC setup anyways this time |
| 04:52.46 | NoRemorse | better? |
| 04:52.55 | NoRemorse | i thought zgcc was the only choice |
| 04:53.04 | Pendalar | I don't like messing with the files to hide it, nor do I like the 100s of files in the Doc tabs |
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| 04:53.13 | NoRemorse | hmm someone should package up gcc into one neat ipk, maybe I should have a go at it |
| 04:53.25 | Pendalar | yeah I need to alter the linking as I set it up |
| 04:53.28 | NoRemorse | Pendalar: u can disable all the files int eh Doc tab |
| 04:53.28 | Pendalar | nah |
| 04:53.43 | Pendalar | I mean unzipping a couple files.. if you can't do that... |
| 04:53.48 | Pendalar | you dont' need GCC imho |
| 04:53.53 | NoRemorse | yeah I had to make a sd version of the symlinks |
| 04:54.03 | ult | there is a gcc in a nice ipkg |
| 04:54.40 | NoRemorse | hehe it's just I have installed it about 10 times thats all |
| 04:54.44 | NoRemorse | ipk would be nice |
| 04:55.00 | NoRemorse | is there ult? havent seen it, just the zgcc zips |
| 04:55.08 | Pendalar | although some things need to be fixed with zgcc, can't remember what but some file make couldn't find (wasn't included).. so I had to cp a close enough file to it's name to stop it |
| 04:55.26 | jurrie | in OZ3 (a) the pkg manager I would see ipks on CF listed twice (there were 2 paths to the files); (b) many non-OZ/Opie ipks would not install due to dependency issues; (c) lots of warning(?) msgs would scroll by when installing ipks due to link creation failures (paths already existed, I believe was the reason). Have any of these been remedied in 3.1? |
| 04:55.43 | kergoth | jurrie: c) is harmless. ignore it. |
| 04:55.46 | Pendalar | yer not picky are you ;-) |
| 04:55.58 | kergoth | jurrie: a) is due to something you did. you put a symlink or something that resulted in the docs tab hitting htem twice |
| 04:56.02 | Pendalar | a) isn't really it's fault imho |
| 04:56.10 | kergoth | jurrie: and b) is due to flawed packages that depend on version 1.5.0 of qpe-base specifically |
| 04:56.15 | kergoth | jurrie: report it to the package maintainers |
| 04:56.18 | Pendalar | or you had it in the RAM and on the feed, thus 2 entries? |
| 04:56.41 | kergoth | jurrie: imho with regard to a), opie should have an option to tell the docs tab not to follow symlinks |
| 04:57.30 | kergoth | jurrie: also, did you report any of these in the bug tracking system? |
| 04:57.39 | kergoth | jurrie: or do you expect bugs to fix themselves? |
| 04:57.41 | kergoth | :P |
| 04:57.56 | Pendalar | they do sometimes.. windshields and such |
| 04:58.03 | ult | kerg: What do you use as the host devel environment? |
| 04:58.11 | jurrie | nope... I figured they were pro'lly rookie mistakes which is why I wanted to re-install OZ3 which led to my dead Z. |
| 04:58.26 | NoRemorse | u deaded your z? |
| 04:58.28 | Pendalar | it's not dead, it's sleeping ;-) |
| 04:58.39 | jurrie | kergoth: the bugs got there by themselves so they should fix themselves too, no? :-) |
| 04:58.42 | NoRemorse | tried reflashing with sharp rom? |
| 04:58.44 | kergoth | jurrie: hah |
| 04:58.54 | jurrie | it was dead.... not boot, no nothing. Just got it back today |
| 04:59.06 | Pendalar | kergoth I'd like to talk to you for awhile privately whenever you get the time, it's somewhat a private project so I'd rather msg.. lemme know whenever |
| 04:59.09 | kergoth | ult: debian unstable box, with erikm's 2.95.3 arm toolchain, and my built 3.2 toolchain |
| 04:59.16 | NoRemorse | ah cool I did that to mine, 9v in instead of 5 :( |
| 04:59.16 | kergoth | Pendalar: okay |
| 04:59.29 | ult | kerg: Why are you using two toolchains? |
| 04:59.39 | kergoth | ult: 3.2 you lose binary compatibility for c++ apps |
| 04:59.46 | ult | kerg: ah ha |
| 04:59.56 | kergoth | ult: i.e. a 3.2 built qt/e and opie on a Z rom cant run stock apps on zsi without a recopmile |
| 05:00.00 | kergoth | ult: the c++ ABI changed |
| 05:00.06 | ult | kerg: What toolchain are you building qt/e libs with? |
| 05:00.11 | kergoth | ult: so oz releases will now be two roms |
| 05:00.19 | kergoth | ult: i'm releasing both a 3.2 built rom and a 2.95 |
| 05:00.22 | ult | I see. |
| 05:00.26 | kergoth | ult: 3.2 gives -large- noticable performance gains |
| 05:00.29 | kergoth | ult: due to better optimization |
| 05:00.32 | ult | cool |
| 05:00.42 | ult | but breaks backwards compat with darn near everything, I assume |
| 05:00.42 | kergoth | ult: but the flipside is you cant use any apps that you cant rebuild for gcc3, which means commerical apps are out |
| 05:00.50 | kergoth | ult: right. so only open source apps will work |
| 05:00.54 | NoRemorse | kergoth whats the limitations of 3.2 as far as apps we cant run? |
| 05:00.58 | kergoth | ult: for some that'll be fine, for others it wont |
| 05:01.00 | kergoth | NoRemorse: eh? |
| 05:01.03 | Pendalar | so will all ipks need updated? |
| 05:01.06 | kergoth | NoRemorse: NO apps on ZSI will run as is. |
| 05:01.10 | NoRemorse | ok |
| 05:01.12 | kergoth | NoRemorse: no c++ apps anyway |
| 05:01.20 | kergoth | NoRemorse: you'd have to recompile them for gcc3 |
| 05:01.21 | Pendalar | ouch heh |
| 05:01.23 | NoRemorse | tkc is out then |
| 05:01.30 | kergoth | NoRemorse: right. as is neo's games |
| 05:01.38 | NoRemorse | hmm |
| 05:01.45 | kergoth | NoRemorse: so its a big loss, but a big gain as well. each person needs to decide for themselves |
| 05:01.47 | DaWorm | unless |
| 05:01.48 | kergoth | myself |
| 05:01.50 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:01.51 | kergoth | i love the performance gains, so i'll keep it |
| 05:01.53 | kergoth | 3.2 |
| 05:01.54 | Pendalar | I just got my comp set up to cross compile .. darn you! lol |
| 05:02.02 | kergoth | well, we could build a ipk of compatibility libs |
| 05:02.09 | kergoth | and set up a preload of them for certain apps |
| 05:02.10 | kergoth | or something |
| 05:02.13 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 05:02.14 | kergoth | would work |
| 05:02.15 | DaWorm | something like that |
| 05:02.18 | kergoth | but take up an assload of space |
| 05:02.28 | DaWorm | i can mirror stuff |
| 05:02.34 | jurrie | no more than 16MB :-) |
| 05:02.36 | kergoth | cool |
| 05:02.38 | kergoth | oh that reminds me |
| 05:02.49 | kergoth | i should use community.zaurus.com as a mirror |
| 05:02.51 | kergoth | ;) |
| 05:02.54 | kergoth | the openzaurus project there |
| 05:02.56 | Pendalar | space really isn't a issue |
| 05:03.09 | treke|home | kergoth: do you have a toolchain compiled? |
| 05:03.16 | kergoth | treke|home: yep |
| 05:03.27 | kergoth | treke|home: doesnt have the shared libs for stdc++, only static, atm |
| 05:03.29 | kergoth | treke|home: but works great |
| 05:03.33 | jurrie | 'course if SD and/or CF are tons slower than RAM (which I presume they are) then space becomes an issue |
| 05:03.53 | treke|home | kergoth: Up for download anywhere? I'm tempted to try compiling opie with it |
| 05:04.00 | ult | My SD is *really* slow for writes |
| 05:04.07 | ult | installing gcc took half an hour |
| 05:04.13 | treke|home | or would that not work well if everything else is compiled with 2.95? |
| 05:04.22 | kergoth | treke|home: http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchains/ |
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| 05:04.24 | kergoth | treke|home: it'll work fine |
| 05:04.29 | treke|home | alright |
| 05:04.41 | NoRemorse | hmm |
| 05:04.43 | treke|home | I dont depend on anything closed source, so it shouldnt be a big deal |
| 05:04.52 | kergoth | treke|home: remember its only c++ stuff that changed, so it'd only fail to work if say, opie used libstdc++, and that was 2.95 in familiar, or something |
| 05:05.06 | kergoth | treke|home: but thats not the case, so you're fine |
| 05:05.09 | Pendalar | kergoth if I install that toolchain, will it do normal qtopia apps? |
| 05:05.14 | kergoth | Pendalar: ? |
| 05:05.18 | kergoth | Pendalar: it builds stuff fine |
| 05:05.24 | kergoth | Pendalar: note its a toolchain, not a sdk. |
| 05:05.39 | kergoth | opie sdk's wont be available until after the opie 1.0 release |
| 05:05.43 | Pendalar | true.. I just want to get cozy with the dev system |
| 05:05.58 | NoRemorse | what version is opie now?! |
| 05:05.58 | jurrie | is konqueror getting any better... previous attempts at using it have led to plenty of crashes --> unreliable |
| 05:06.04 | kergoth | treke|home: er s/toolchains/toolchain/ in that url |
| 05:06.07 | Pendalar | if I spend all my time updating heh.. I don't code |
| 05:06.10 | kergoth | treke|home: :) |
| 05:06.17 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: night |
| 05:06.19 | NoRemorse | jurrie I packaged up opera from my sharp rom instead |
| 05:06.19 | treke|home | kergoth: yeah I found it :) |
| 05:06.23 | kergoth | treke|home: cool |
| 05:06.36 | kergoth | treke|home: note the 2.95 one uses an old binutils and as such cant be prelinked |
| 05:06.38 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:06.39 | jurrie | Opera doesn't work behind my corp firewall (no support for proxy user ID & password) |
| 05:06.46 | treke|home | oh wait, konqueror. I could never get that to compile |
| 05:06.47 | NoRemorse | ahh ok |
| 05:06.58 | kergoth | treke|home: and the 3.2 one staticly links in libstdc++ on some builds, and supc++ on others, the static link will prevent prelink from working in 3.2 as well |
| 05:07.07 | NoRemorse | hmm can vpn's get thru your firewall? |
| 05:07.31 | jurrie | konq supports http://userid:password@proxy.server notation |
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| 05:07.58 | jurrie | makes me want to consider running X + matchbox + dillo instead |
| 05:08.28 | ult | dillo? |
| 05:08.34 | jurrie | I've been disappointed in a lack of non-Qt toolkit |
| 05:08.49 | NoRemorse | yeah X is a toy on Z |
| 05:08.59 | NoRemorse | "oh look, it runs X" thats about it |
| 05:09.44 | jurrie | http://dillo.cipsga.org.br/ -- it's a "small" X browser |
| 05:09.48 | ult | ah |
| 05:09.51 | NoRemorse | cool |
| 05:09.57 | ult | i'd be more interested in a PIM suite for X that is optimized |
| 05:10.16 | ult | Or even something that is just not Qt-centric |
| 05:11.00 | treke|home | Dillo is really nice |
| 05:11.08 | treke|home | there are some nice pim apps for X |
| 05:11.15 | treke|home | it has better input methods imo |
| 05:11.17 | jurrie | I'd almost take any non-C++ dependent toolkit |
| 05:11.29 | Pendalar | kergoth : I'll be away coding, msg me before 40 or so minutes if you can help it, if not that's cool too I'll check tomorrow |
| 05:17.14 | ult | treke: But Zaurus-specific apps that can take advantage of the touchscreen and buzzer? |
| 05:19.31 | treke|home | the buzzer, probably not. what's zaurus specific about the touch screen? |
| 05:19.35 | kergoth | ult: theres nothing Z specific about the ts |
| 05:19.37 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:19.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:20.55 | ult | treke: Er, I mean, things that can take advantage of the fact that it has one :) |
| 05:22.03 | treke|home | ult: Anything that uses X can |
| 05:22.23 | NoRemorse | ie mouse :) |
| 05:22.49 | NoRemorse | I remember seeing optical mice on X terminals before the mouse was even seen on a PC |
| 05:22.51 | ult | treke: X doesnt have built in handwriting recognition, for example |
| 05:22.58 | treke|home | ult: Yes |
| 05:23.02 | NoRemorse | the pads had horrible cross grid patterns on them |
| 05:23.19 | ult | treke: Whaddaya mean Yes |
| 05:23.24 | ult | NoRemorse: The Sun mice? |
| 05:23.30 | NoRemorse | yeah |
| 05:23.31 | treke|home | yes it has recognition |
| 05:23.42 | NoRemorse | the patterns would wear away after awhile |
| 05:23.46 | ult | treke: How so? |
| 05:23.58 | treke|home | ult: I dont see what you mean |
| 05:24.10 | ult | treke: X itself doesnt have any sort of handwriting recognition |
| 05:24.13 | treke|home | It has it. Why is that hard to understand |
| 05:24.17 | ult | Where? |
| 05:24.36 | treke|home | You install a program |
| 05:24.46 | ult | Oh, ok. I'm referring to the X server itself. |
| 05:25.02 | NoRemorse | cant see why you would use X on a zaurus when we have this wonderfull OZ thing :) |
| 05:25.19 | treke|home | ult: No different that Qtopia |
| 05:25.30 | ult | treke: I'm not very familiar with Qtopia |
| 05:26.04 | treke|home | Handwriting is just a progam in qtopia |
| 05:26.15 | treke|home | well technichally its a plugin, but close enough |
| 05:26.55 | treke|home | Personally I prefer the handwriting in X to opie |
| 05:27.07 | ult | really. What software are you using? |
| 05:27.18 | treke|home | I use OPIE |
| 05:27.27 | ult | Er, for handwriting in X :-P |
| 05:27.30 | treke|home | I havent used X full time for a long while |
| 05:27.33 | treke|home | ult: xstroke |
| 05:27.39 | NoRemorse | sounds lurid |
| 05:28.18 | kergoth | i've heard amazing things about xstroke |
| 05:28.21 | kergoth | never used it yet |
| 05:28.25 | treke|home | kergoth: its great |
| 05:28.33 | treke|home | full screen input is wonderful |
| 05:28.41 | kergoth | i'm sure.. |
| 05:28.50 | kergoth | itd be cool if opie had that |
| 05:29.08 | treke|home | I wonder if something like it is even possible under QT/e |
| 05:30.05 | kergoth | treke|home: i'm sure it is. you'd just have to have something that catches mouse events before they hit the active window and does things with them |
| 05:31.31 | treke|home | well I guess vnc can do it |
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| 05:39.31 | kergoth | hey darienm |
| 05:39.37 | darienm | hello |
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| 05:41.05 | erikd | darien!@#$ |
| 05:42.50 | darienm | erikd ? |
| 05:42.57 | erikd | hiya |
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| 05:46.42 | Pendalar | hrm libopie won't upgrade with the normal ipkg manager via qtopia |
| 05:46.53 | Pendalar | wonder if that was done on purpose ;-) |
| 05:46.57 | ult | heh |
| 05:46.58 | kergoth | Pendalar: it should |
| 05:47.06 | kergoth | Pendalar: *if* you have enough space |
| 05:47.08 | ult | arent the new ipk's "ar" files instead of targz? |
| 05:47.15 | kergoth | Pendalar: files in use arent deleted until they are no longer in use |
| 05:47.25 | kergoth | Pendalar: hence you need enough space for a second libopie to upgrade it |
| 05:47.38 | kergoth | Pendalar: this is a general unix behavior, not linux, or oz specific |
| 05:47.42 | kergoth | ult: yep |
| 05:47.53 | ult | and the Sharp ipkg manager cant do ar files |
| 05:47.57 | kergoth | right |
| 05:48.06 | ult | Is the libopie new or old? :) |
| 05:48.11 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:48.17 | kergoth | theres a classicfeed |
| 05:48.21 | ult | (And why the switch to ar? What benefits does that provide) |
| 05:48.23 | kergoth | for old format ipks of oz's feed |
| 05:48.25 | Pendalar | I do |
| 05:48.27 | kergoth | ult: less wasted cpu cycles. |
| 05:48.28 | Pendalar | 30mb or so |
| 05:48.33 | kergoth | ult: its a tar.gz within a tar.gz |
| 05:48.37 | Pendalar | err not 30 |
| 05:48.41 | kergoth | ult: compressing twices gains you nothing, but wastes cpu on the pda. |
| 05:48.46 | Pendalar | 3, how big is it? |
| 05:48.49 | kergoth | ult: tar.gz within ar is a more efficient format |
| 05:49.32 | ult | kerg: sounds reasonable (though I could argue an extra second isn't *that* important in this case) |
| 05:49.41 | ult | where's that new initrd? :0 |
| 05:49.55 | kergoth | ult: still being compiled |
| 05:50.00 | ult | yowzers |
| 05:50.04 | ult | what kinda machine are you workin on? |
| 05:50.19 | kergoth | old ass box |
| 05:50.22 | kergoth | dual p3 450 |
| 05:50.34 | ult | i admin a 50cpu cluster. Want some help? ;) |
| 05:50.39 | kergoth | need to add a few boxes using distcc |
| 05:50.43 | kergoth | bastard ;) |
| 05:51.30 | Pendalar | heh it doesn't want to uninstall |
| 05:51.32 | erikd | i have a dual 1GHz i could donate for compiling |
| 05:51.35 | Pendalar | bad libopie |
| 05:51.47 | kergoth | Pendalar: sharp rom or oz? whered you get this ipk? |
| 05:52.04 | Pendalar | I have a quad xeon but afraid it's a bit full atm |
| 05:52.13 | Pendalar | sharp and I think the OZ feed |
| 05:52.16 | Pendalar | since ZZ is a bit old |
| 05:52.19 | kergoth | Pendalar: that wont work. |
| 05:52.20 | ult | You personally own a quad xeon? |
| 05:52.30 | kergoth | Pendalar: the OZ feed is ar format ipks, dont work in sharp |
| 05:52.31 | Pendalar | no one of my admins |
| 05:52.39 | ult | ok, just making sure :) |
| 05:52.44 | Pendalar | I have root and decide what's done with it, so close enough |
| 05:52.57 | Pendalar | if he wasn't in eu I could go get the box physically |
| 05:53.04 | Pendalar | but since it's at a nice ISP there, we leave it be |
| 05:53.19 | Pendalar | ISPs in SE US suck =-/ |
| 05:53.30 | ult | WHere are you located? |
| 05:53.33 | kergoth | brb |
| 05:53.37 | Pendalar | GA |
| 05:53.42 | ult | Nifty, I'm in TN |
| 05:53.57 | Pendalar | pretty much all of SE US is routed through AT&T in Atlanta |
| 05:54.03 | Pendalar | and it's about as flaky as efnet |
| 05:55.47 | ult | kerg: Do you have a very fast net connection? |
| 05:57.44 | mutexer | where in TN? |
| 05:58.11 | ult | You in Memphis? |
| 05:58.20 | ult | I'm in Cookeville, Tennessee Tech |
| 05:58.24 | mutexer | about hour and a half away |
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| 07:55.18 | NeoTron | damn. I can not test there because /dev/dsp is not writable by me. :( |
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| 08:07.13 | Zxcvb | how does the sync security in the 1.38 rom work ? |
| 08:11.13 | Davv | Zxcvb: sync ftp port (4242) is only bound to the USB interface... Also, I"m not sure if it accepts connections from a specific IP on the workstation or any range. I don't use the sharp rom anymore.. use openzaurus. |
| 08:16.51 | Zxcvb | waiting for 3.1 final |
| 08:21.52 | noiddZZzz | mornin' |
| 08:22.29 | Zxcvb | mornin |
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| 08:23.02 | Zxcvb | stocking up my 256mb cf with movies, doom, and bg/si for a holiday trip |
| 08:24.05 | noidd | hmm, 256Meg goodness |
| 08:24.19 | noidd | dunno about where you are but you can't buy 256M SD cards anymore here |
| 08:24.35 | noidd | just 12*M |
| 08:24.38 | noidd | 128M |
| 08:24.45 | noidd | they've been withdrawn |
| 08:25.08 | Zxcvb | compactflash |
| 08:25.19 | Zxcvb | then why go sd |
| 08:25.27 | Zxcvb | 128mb mmc is often cheaper than 128mb sd |
| 08:25.40 | noidd | CF for storage is a waste. My wireless goes in there |
| 08:26.04 | noidd | yes, but no such thing as greater than 128M mmc |
| 08:26.16 | Zxcvb | looks like sd is the same way |
| 08:26.41 | Zxcvb | cf is for multimedia (videos) and game files (exult, doom, etc) |
| 08:26.54 | Zxcvb | stuff i won't be using while on the internet |
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| 08:29.08 | H4NZ0 | hmm.. is there any free liquidstyle like program that I can use on my Z |
| 08:31.41 | ||ugh | H4NZ0, if you mean a widgets and windows Liquid theam, there is one for OPIE in OZ (www.openzaurus.org). |
| 08:32.10 | H4NZ0 | ugh.. i'm using standard ROM.. :( |
| 08:32.25 | ||ugh | noidd, I have a 256mb SD, I have seen 512's and the 1gigs have been seen by reviewers. |
| 08:32.48 | noidd | ||ugh: yeah, I have a 256M one too - but they seem to have been withdrawn from sale |
| 08:32.59 | noidd | Buffyness on BBC1 |
| 08:33.00 | ||ugh | Interestingly there is now 1.5, 2.0 and even 3.0 gigabite CF in the pipe! |
| 08:33.30 | H4NZ0 | is that CF or microdrive.. |
| 08:33.36 | ||ugh | Think of what you can haul around if you have a Z with 4 gigs of solid state storage! |
| 08:33.45 | Zxcvb | aren't the microdrives dangerous for the Z? |
| 08:33.55 | ||ugh | The stuff I am quoting is SS. |
| 08:34.04 | Zxcvb | llugh: how much? |
| 08:34.12 | Zxcvb | llugh: rip dvd movies to it |
| 08:34.26 | ||ugh | (not SS like in Ashcroft, Fatherland Security and the goons that also worked for Hitler, SS as in Solid State). |
| 08:34.32 | H4NZ0 | ugh.. can I use the theme with standard ROM ? |
| 08:34.50 | Zxcvb | llugh: how much $$$ for one? |
| 08:35.02 | Zxcvb | llugh: 4GB == a few divx ripped DVDs |
| 08:35.09 | Zxcvb | llugh: (hint, go used) |
| 08:35.11 | ||ugh | I have no idea what the costs will be, though they will decline. I have no idea of the OZ Liquid style would work the RZ. I doubt it, but I could be wrong. |
| 08:35.40 | H4NZ0 | hmm |
| 08:36.10 | ||ugh | Someone needs to make a HD & Battery backpack for the Z, then one can get 60 gigs from the cutting edge laptop hard drives. Dreams... |
| 08:36.33 | H4NZ0 | yeah the battery suck.. |
| 08:36.40 | noidd | anyone here seen serverbeach.com? |
| 08:36.55 | Zxcvb | llugh: there is one external camera battery pack that is 5v and works great |
| 08:37.00 | noidd | it looks pretty good except their T+Cs |
| 08:37.01 | Zxcvb | llugh: it was on the forums |
| 08:37.06 | ||ugh | The 5600 (first quater next year) will have twice the battery (and not be twich the size, about 1.5). |
| 08:37.10 | Zxcvb | noidd: what was wrong with it? |
| 08:37.22 | Zxcvb | llugh: heard anything about the future of the 5500? |
| 08:38.03 | H4NZ0 | i hope 5600 battery is compatible with 5500 |
| 08:38.08 | noidd | it seems to say that if someone roots your box, they will charge you 195USD an hour to handle complaints and fix any boxes on their network that were rooted or attacked from yours |
| 08:38.28 | ||ugh | Once the 5600's are on the street the 5500's will allmost certanly be pulled. Humm, street is a bad term, as the Z is moveing into the 'enterprise' market and will not be seen much on the street. |
| 08:38.31 | noidd | instead of just pulling the plug (what they should do) |
| 08:38.34 | ||ugh | (Only in 10 forward?) |
| 08:38.38 | Zxcvb | llugh: what about software? |
| 08:38.45 | Zxcvb | llugh: and updates? |
| 08:39.06 | Zxcvb | is arm v4 and arm v5 similar to 486 and pentium? |
| 08:39.11 | Zxcvb | i.e. just a few extra instructions |
| 08:39.21 | ||ugh | I am told that there will be a RZ flash load for the 5500 that is the same software level (kernel, compiler etc.) as the 5600. |
| 08:39.45 | ||ugh | The ARM design has NOTHING to do with x86. Thank goodness! |
| 08:40.08 | Zxcvb | llugh: ah, i guess you have to keep as many customers as possible |
| 08:40.33 | Zxcvb | llugh: but is arm v5 (xscale) just arm v4 + some new instructions? |
| 08:40.42 | Zxcvb | llugh: or is it more like 68k vs powerpc |
| 08:40.58 | ||ugh | No, the x86 sucks big ones. VERY big ones. The ARM is a RISC design and can do things, like run on little power and get a LOT done in a few gates etc. |
| 08:41.40 | Zxcvb | llugh: true |
| 08:41.47 | ||ugh | The v5 is just more of a v4, with a few new things etc. The new name is so that INTEL(TM or die) owns a piece of your brain. |
| 08:42.02 | Zxcvb | llugh: so a v5 emulation kernel module for v4 is possible |
| 08:42.12 | Zxcvb | llugh: like those "486 to pentium upgrade" programs |
| 08:42.17 | ||ugh | Maybe, but I don't see the reason. |
| 08:42.30 | Zxcvb | llugh: that just trapped the new instructions and emulated them |
| 08:42.48 | Zxcvb | llugh: to run 5600 software that isn't compiled for the 5500 |
| 08:42.51 | ||ugh | Oh, you can emulate it on a x86 if you want. Sure. Might be real slow, but at 3 gigs clock rate who cares! |
| 08:43.35 | ||ugh | No, I expect that the v5 will run v4 code with out a hitch. This is like going from a 386 to a 486. |
| 08:43.49 | Zxcvb | llugh: what about v4 running v5 code? |
| 08:44.01 | ||ugh | The big issue is changing compilers nukes some stuff in the kernel modules and things compiled from C++. |
| 08:44.01 | Zxcvb | llugh: i assume there will be a fair bit of 5600 only software |
| 08:44.25 | Zxcvb | llugh: which OZ has handled quite nicely |
| 08:44.30 | ||ugh | I doubt a v4 will run v5 code, ever. Once again it's a why bother situation. |
| 08:44.58 | Zxcvb | llugh: to run v5 software |
| 08:45.00 | NeoTron | that is mostly true I'd say |
| 08:45.18 | NeoTron | a v4 might run some v5 code just as a 486 might run some pentium code |
| 08:45.18 | Zxcvb | llugh: without trashing your Z and buying a new one |
| 08:45.22 | ||ugh | Context NeoTron...context. |
| 08:45.33 | Zxcvb | NeoTron: i have seen a 486 to pentium upgrade program |
| 08:45.42 | Zxcvb | NeoTron: it traps the new pentium instructions and emulates them |
| 08:45.55 | NeoTron | I mean, if no pentium specific instructions are used |
| 08:45.57 | ||ugh | Hey folks, an ENTIRE Z costs less then my first z80! |
| 08:46.04 | NeoTron | you wouldn't WANT to do that tho |
| 08:46.23 | H4NZ0 | whats z80 ? |
| 08:46.27 | ||ugh | (ah, thats a CPU... :r) |
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| 08:46.41 | Zxcvb | NeoTron: depends on if much software is still available for the 5500 |
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| 08:46.56 | ||ugh | Like in the first home computers, mid 1970's. |
| 08:46.58 | NeoTron | in reality I think we might rather see 5500 software for quite some time |
| 08:46.59 | NeoTron | or both |
| 08:47.09 | NeoTron | at this point they are compatible I believe |
| 08:47.09 | Zxcvb | NeoTron: or of most developers dump it right after the 5600 is out |
| 08:47.10 | H4NZ0 | oh ic |
| 08:47.18 | ||ugh | Just presume I said Zeon rather then z80. |
| 08:47.26 | H4NZ0 | they can dump it to me |
| 08:47.27 | NeoTron | Zxcvb: doubt it |
| 08:47.28 | ||ugh | (Zenon) |
| 08:47.57 | ||ugh | Back to work. |
| 08:48.05 | H4NZ0 | *grin* |
| 08:48.38 | NeoTron | TODAY there is no difference between 5600 and 5500 software in terms of binaries |
| 08:48.48 | NeoTron | I don't know if that will change or not |
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| 08:50.07 | estradapc | any body here |
| 08:50.34 | ||ugh | No, just sprits. |
| 08:50.46 | estradapc | ahh ok |
| 08:51.22 | estradapc | have anyone played around with the upcoming Z 5600? |
| 08:51.46 | Zxcvb | NeoTron: -march=armv5 |
| 08:52.07 | H4NZ0 | its not out yet |
| 08:52.24 | Zxcvb | H4N20: neither is windows longhorn |
| 08:52.51 | H4NZ0 | thats different |
| 08:53.00 | erikd | oooh, that was a -great- retort |
| 08:53.02 | erikd | i like that one |
| 08:53.04 | H4NZ0 | s/w and h/w |
| 08:53.09 | erikd | :) |
| 08:53.24 | estradapc | will you have problems with programs written for ARM processors when using it on the new Intel Xscale processor that is on the new 5600? |
| 08:53.37 | Zxcvb | estradapc: no |
| 08:53.38 | erikd | xscale is a type of arm |
| 08:53.41 | Zxcvb | estradapc: the reverse is the problem |
| 08:54.00 | Zxcvb | estradapc: depending on how many developers switch to arm v5 completely |
| 08:54.14 | Zxcvb | estradapc: run slackware on a pentium, it's fine |
| 08:54.22 | Zxcvb | estradapc: run mandrake on a 486, it won't even boot |
| 08:54.56 | estradapc | well I would like my apps to take advantage of the new processor though |
| 08:55.05 | Zxcvb | estradapc: then you have a choice |
| 08:55.14 | NeoTron | Zxcvb: requires gcc 3.2 which breaks the C++ ABI |
| 08:55.17 | Zxcvb | estradapc: compile two versions, one for the 5500 and one for the 5600 |
| 08:55.30 | NeoTron | and today, as I said, that is not the case |
| 08:55.31 | Zxcvb | estradapc: or only compile for the 5600, and tell people to upgrade |
| 08:55.54 | Zxcvb | NeoTron: yeah, until someone creates a C++ ABI compatability layer |
| 08:56.16 | erikd | are there any actual c/c++ code differences for the xscale as compared to the current 5500's arm? |
| 08:56.22 | NeoTron | what a nightmare |
| 08:56.23 | erikd | or is it all just compiler stuff? |
| 08:56.29 | estradapc | well I'm no programer, I'm just an end-user of the wonderful Z 5500 |
| 08:56.32 | NeoTron | erikd: compiler stuff, at least that matters |
| 08:56.39 | erikd | k |
| 08:56.53 | Zxcvb | erikd: the same as on the x86 when moving between gcc 2.52.x and gcc 3.x |
| 08:57.03 | Zxcvb | erikd: and the instruction set |
| 08:57.30 | estradapc | It's a shame that they didn't integrate bluetooth on the new Z. |
| 08:57.35 | erikd | that's not a processor difference, though, is it? |
| 08:57.36 | Zxcvb | erikd: though it should be possible to detect that at runtime, just like some apps can use mmx, but don't require it |
| 08:57.42 | Zxcvb | erikd: yes |
| 08:57.47 | Zxcvb | erikd: run mandrake on a 486 |
| 08:57.59 | Zxcvb | erikd: it won't work, the 586 instructions just aren't there |
| 08:58.04 | erikd | so 3.x compiles .586? |
| 08:58.07 | erikd | ah, k |
| 08:58.11 | Zxcvb | erikd: no, either |
| 08:58.18 | Zxcvb | erikd: 3.x uses a new C++ ABI |
| 08:58.29 | Zxcvb | erikd: so all C++ apps/libraries must be recompiled |
| 08:58.30 | erikd | i guess i just don't know what that means :) |
| 08:58.51 | Zxcvb | NeoTron: not as much of a nightmare as sun's windows applications binary interface |
| 08:59.14 | Zxcvb | or ultrahle |
| 08:59.48 | NeoTron | erikd: name mangling standard for methods |
| 09:00.05 | NeoTron | ile Foo::Func(int foo) +> Foo_Func_blahdfwef |
| 09:00.07 | Zxcvb | NeoTron: on the x86, UML is a solution |
| 09:00.07 | NeoTron | or so. :P |
| 09:00.25 | erikd | i'll have to read up on that because i don't see how that would make it not run on a 486 |
| 09:01.27 | Zxcvb | erikd: there are two seperate issues |
| 09:01.33 | Zxcvb | erikd: the first is instruction sets |
| 09:01.47 | Zxcvb | erikd: the xscale has new instructions that the 5500 doesn't |
| 09:01.57 | erikd | ok, so it depends on the optimizations mdk uses when compiling |
| 09:02.03 | Zxcvb | erikd: that can be solved by having two packages or using runtime detection |
| 09:02.09 | erikd | and they compile for no less than the pentium? |
| 09:02.13 | Zxcvb | erikd: then there is the C++ ABI |
| 09:02.18 | Zxcvb | erikd: for mandrake, correct |
| 09:02.24 | erikd | ok |
| 09:02.28 | Zxcvb | erikd: that has nothing to do with the CPU |
| 09:02.39 | Zxcvb | erikd: it means that qtopia will have to be recompiled |
| 09:02.41 | erikd | the ABI? |
| 09:02.49 | Zxcvb | erikd: application binary interface |
| 09:02.54 | erikd | ok |
| 09:03.01 | Zxcvb | erikd: that's what freebsd emulates when it emulates linux |
| 09:03.11 | erikd | oooh |
| 09:03.24 | Zxcvb | erikd: wine emulates the API, so it doesn't need windows |
| 09:03.38 | Zxcvb | erikd: wabi emulates the win 3.1 ABI, so it needs a real win 3.1 copy |
| 09:03.58 | Zxcvb | erikd: that's probably not technically correct, but close enough |
| 09:04.16 | Zxcvb | erikd: it's like if windows 95 had no win 3.x compatability |
| 09:04.18 | erikd | so it's actually making calls to "physical" win3.1 functions? |
| 09:04.26 | Zxcvb | erikd: no idea how it works |
| 09:05.24 | Zxcvb | erikd: only that it is fast as hell |
| 09:06.01 | estradapc | has any of you guys use the app tkcPhone? |
| 09:06.04 | erikd | i wish bochs would make a version that didn't completely emulate an x86 on an x86 |
| 09:06.15 | erikd | it's completely unecissary |
| 09:06.16 | Zxcvb | erikd: it's called plex86, and it's dead |
| 09:06.24 | Zxcvb | erikd: it is necessary |
| 09:06.31 | Zxcvb | erikd: unreal mode, for one |
| 09:06.38 | Zxcvb | erikd: though vmware somehow does it |
| 09:06.50 | erikd | why? can't you just say "ok, this is 0x02 so i'm going to send the cpu 0x02"? |
| 09:07.09 | Zxcvb | erikd: scan every instruction, and either emulate or pass it on |
| 09:07.16 | Zxcvb | erikd: almost as slow as emulation |
| 09:07.46 | Zxcvb | erikd: the problem is the CPU will not fault on some instructions, but it has to fault to make virtualization possible |
| 09:07.47 | erikd | well, bochs 2 is coming soon. it's supposed to speed it up quite a bit |
| 09:07.53 | Zxcvb | erikd: still emulation |
| 09:07.58 | Zxcvb | erikd: dosbox is faster |
| 09:08.12 | Zxcvb | erikd: that's because all DOS/bios calls run as native, not emulated code |
| 09:08.19 | erikd | does that emulate everything from the POST? |
| 09:08.24 | Zxcvb | erikd: no |
| 09:08.28 | Zxcvb | erikd: it is a true dos emulator |
| 09:08.32 | erikd | i need bochs because i need the post |
| 09:08.36 | Zxcvb | erikd: you mount a dir as a C: drive |
| 09:08.59 | Zxcvb | erikd: dosbox is designed to run dos apps, 0.60 will hopefully run all known 286 and 386 realmode dos apps |
| 09:09.22 | Zxcvb | erikd: dosbox will not run linux, it might run win 3.0 or lower (3.1 needs protected mode) |
| 09:09.31 | erikd | i'm working on writing my own os so i need all that other fun stuff bochs offers :) |
| 09:09.37 | erikd | it's going -really- slowly |
| 09:09.42 | Zxcvb | erikd: i bet |
| 09:09.49 | Zxcvb | erikd: do you know about unreal mode? |
| 09:09.58 | Zxcvb | erikd: more commonly known as voodoo mode |
| 09:10.00 | erikd | ie: protected and real? |
| 09:10.03 | erikd | oh |
| 09:10.05 | Zxcvb | erikd: no |
| 09:10.06 | erikd | real in protected |
| 09:10.24 | Zxcvb | erikd: switch to protected mode, change the segment limits, then switch back to real mode |
| 09:10.27 | estradapc | Is there any of you using the zaurus to chat on this room? |
| 09:10.33 | Zxcvb | erikd: also known as 32 bit real mode, or flat real mode |
| 09:10.48 | erikd | i think i read about that on one of the sites i was looking at |
| 09:10.48 | Zxcvb | erikd: you get the full 4GB address space of protected mode, yet it is 100% real mode |
| 09:10.55 | Zxcvb | erikd: so you can use bios/dos calls |
| 09:11.04 | Zxcvb | erikd: also known as the reason exult exists |
| 09:11.48 | erikd | what's the advantage of running in real mode over protected? or is that just so the kernel can access all the address space? |
| 09:11.51 | Zxcvb | erikd: linux uses it during boot, but ultima 7 and a couple other origin games are the only application software to rely on it |
| 09:12.03 | Zxcvb | erikd: in real mode, you can use bios and dos calls |
| 09:12.09 | Zxcvb | erikd: in protected mode, you can't |
| 09:12.24 | erikd | ah |
| 09:12.30 | Zxcvb | erikd: so being able to use bios/dos functions while having full RAM access is helpful |
| 09:12.42 | Zxcvb | erikd: a DOS extender is the most common way |
| 09:12.45 | estradapc | Everyone, have a good night! |
| 09:12.56 | Zxcvb | erikd: a DOS extender simply switches back and forth between real and protected mode |
| 09:13.01 | erikd | do you know anywhere i can find out how linux handles printf()? |
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| 09:13.17 | Zxcvb | erikd: slower than voodoo mode, but it works under virtual 8086 mode, so windows, os/2, emmm386, etc work |
| 09:13.37 | Zxcvb | erikd: someone wrote a wrapper for ultima 7 |
| 09:13.57 | Zxcvb | erikd: it patches all unreal mode calls with breakpoints, then uses a VxD to emulate the unreal mode calls |
| 09:14.14 | Zxcvb | erikd: that is, it patches the game as it's loaded into RAM |
| 09:14.15 | erikd | hmm |
| 09:14.27 | Zxcvb | an ugly hack to fix an ugly hack |
| 09:14.31 | erikd | so it takes awhile to load? :) |
| 09:14.48 | Zxcvb | erikd: ultima 7 needs a fast 386 to work well |
| 09:14.59 | Zxcvb | erikd: anything above say, a pentium 120 is too fast |
| 09:15.02 | erikd | because of all the patching |
| 09:15.06 | erikd | heh |
| 09:15.10 | Zxcvb | erikd: with the u7win9x wrapper, it needs a p2 400 or so |
| 09:15.27 | Zxcvb | erikd: above 800mhz is where you need moslo again |
| 09:15.41 | Zxcvb | erikd: so yes, the breakpoint and voodoo emulation is slow |
| 09:15.49 | Zxcvb | erikd: not nearly as slow as bochs or even vmware |
| 09:16.19 | Zxcvb | erikd: of course, why not just rewrite the entire engine, which is what exult did |
| 09:16.40 | erikd | i know i'm gonna forget all this :) |
| 09:16.52 | Zxcvb | i have exult on my Z |
| 09:16.57 | Zxcvb | runs ultima 7 quite nicely |
| 09:17.19 | erikd | does it need the keyboard to play? |
| 09:18.01 | Zxcvb | nope |
| 09:18.15 | Zxcvb | the cancel button is necessary to close some gumps |
| 09:18.22 | Zxcvb | oops |
| 09:18.31 | Zxcvb | the keyboard is necessary when starting a new game |
| 09:18.40 | Zxcvb | to input your name and gender |
| 09:18.55 | erikd | i've never played ultima 7 :) |
| 09:19.09 | Zxcvb | on the Z, tapping is like using the mouse |
| 09:19.20 | Zxcvb | you move with the arrow pad thing |
| 09:19.20 | erikd | i've been looking for a nice rpg for the z, though |
| 09:19.37 | Zxcvb | you have to purchase the ultima collection, or possibly the complete ultima 7 yourself |
| 09:19.45 | erikd | how much is that? |
| 09:19.47 | Zxcvb | ultima collection should be fairly cheap |
| 09:19.51 | Zxcvb | can't buy it new |
| 09:19.52 | Zxcvb | check ebay |
| 09:19.57 | erikd | ok |
| 09:20.01 | Zxcvb | but you get ultima 1 through ultimma 8 |
| 09:20.12 | Com[Plex | will someone explain to me what the deal is with xscale? |
| 09:20.16 | Zxcvb | ultima 8 will be playable on the Z once pentagram is finished |
| 09:20.24 | Com[Plex | people saying its slower than the 206mhz arm |
| 09:20.37 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex: it is |
| 09:20.51 | Com[Plex | says you. |
| 09:20.53 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex: unless you compile specifically for it with intel's compiler |
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| 09:21.05 | Com[Plex | hmm |
| 09:21.07 | NoRemorse | heya |
| 09:21.09 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex: compare a P4 2.2GHz with an athlon running at 1600MHz |
| 09:21.15 | erikd | intel's compiler is free for personal use, right? |
| 09:21.22 | Zxcvb | erikd: nope |
| 09:21.26 | Zxcvb | erikd: very $$$ |
| 09:21.26 | Com[Plex | does intels compiler run under linux? |
| 09:21.37 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex: sure, if you have several thousand $$$ |
| 09:21.42 | NoRemorse | anyone know if 3.1 release candidate is available yet? |
| 09:21.46 | Zxcvb | it is |
| 09:21.54 | erikd | so developers are screwed if they want to compile for the xscale? |
| 09:21.58 | Com[Plex | what the fuck. what were they thinking? |
| 09:22.12 | erikd | optimized for* |
| 09:22.16 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex: why does an athlon that is 500MHz slower than a p4 beat that p4? |
| 09:22.34 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex: only the P4 4GHz with liquid nigrogen cooling can beat the althons |
| 09:22.35 | NoRemorse | Zxcvb: it doesnt, athlong faithful *think* it does :) |
| 09:22.42 | Com[Plex | Zxcvb thats easy: because the xp performs mopre calculations per cycle |
| 09:23.03 | Zxcvb | NoRemorse: haven't seen an athlon that beats the P4 4GHz |
| 09:23.11 | NoRemorse | nah j/k they have a better architecgture for processing |
| 09:23.20 | Zxcvb | NoRemorse: hope you like liquid nitrogen |
| 09:23.35 | NoRemorse | is it still to do with pipelininbg that they shit on intel? |
| 09:23.42 | NoRemorse | damn this keyboard |
| 09:25.20 | Zxcvb | how about the power4? |
| 09:25.28 | Zxcvb | asci white, enough said |
| 09:26.19 | Zxcvb | anyone here have mpegs on their Z? |
| 09:26.33 | erikd | mp3 or 4? |
| 09:26.34 | NoRemorse | "Because of its design, the Athlon processor core handles more instructions per clock cycle than the Pentium 4. This allows the Athlon to exceed the Pentium 4 in performance, depending on the application and the hardware configuration. |
| 09:26.35 | NoRemorse | " |
| 09:26.59 | Zxcvb | mpeg |
| 09:27.06 | Zxcvb | mpeg1 |
| 09:27.09 | Zxcvb | or divx |
| 09:27.19 | erikd | i used to |
| 09:27.30 | erikd | got rid of it because the player skipped |
| 09:27.36 | H4NZ0 | just mpeg1.. I think |
| 09:27.56 | Zxcvb | opieplayer2? |
| 09:28.00 | NoRemorse | is there a divx codec for Z? |
| 09:28.01 | erikd | yeah |
| 09:28.04 | Zxcvb | yeah |
| 09:28.08 | Zxcvb | xmms + mplayer |
| 09:28.09 | NoRemorse | cooool |
| 09:28.16 | NoRemorse | stream?! |
| 09:28.20 | Zxcvb | be sure to symlink the xmms playlist to /dev/null |
| 09:28.21 | NoRemorse | like .asf .wmv? |
| 09:28.39 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 09:28.39 | Zxcvb | otherwise, it will automatcially play the first video in the playlist, then lock up |
| 09:28.40 | DaWorm | no |
| 09:28.48 | DaWorm | no asf and wmv |
| 09:28.48 | NoRemorse | ah ok ta |
| 09:28.49 | Zxcvb | mpeg/mp3/divx |
| 09:28.52 | NoRemorse | ah shit :( |
| 09:29.06 | H4NZ0 | i played 18 mb of mpeg.. no prob.. |
| 09:29.06 | H4NZ0 | using standard mplayer |
| 09:29.20 | DaWorm | i dunno about tkc's player though |
| 09:29.23 | NoRemorse | streaming or on your Z storage? |
| 09:29.29 | NoRemorse | tkc's player is crap |
| 09:29.30 | Zxcvb | both |
| 09:29.36 | NoRemorse | cool |
| 09:29.57 | Zxcvb | though streaming might require mplayer on the command line |
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| 09:30.23 | Zxcvb | you must symlink ~/.xmms/xmms.m3u to /dev/null |
| 09:30.36 | Zxcvb | otherwise it will play the first file added to the playlist, then lock up |
| 09:30.53 | Zxcvb | unless you start xmms from the console |
| 09:30.58 | Zxcvb | and not from it's icon |
| 09:31.15 | NoRemorse | thanks |
| 09:33.04 | Zxcvb | how well does the vorbis plugin for sharp's media player work? |
| 09:33.28 | H4NZ0 | more ? |
| 09:33.31 | H4NZ0 | for what |
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| 09:33.55 | Zxcvb | my trip a week from this saturday |
| 09:34.40 | H4NZ0 | hmm u sure have a lot of storage :) |
| 09:34.50 | Zxcvb | 256MB |
| 09:35.12 | Zxcvb | i have 405 the movie and office xp |
| 09:35.24 | Zxcvb | and both u7 and si |
| 09:36.31 | NoRemorse | I had matrix on mpeg1 somewhere |
| 09:36.41 | Zxcvb | bet that was huge |
| 09:36.44 | NoRemorse | it was bigger than 256 but |
| 09:36.49 | NoRemorse | yeah was 500+ |
| 09:37.02 | H4NZ0 | i wish i have storage space for my pr0n too.. |
| 09:37.05 | H4NZ0 | kakakaka |
| 09:37.09 | DaWorm | lol |
| 09:37.15 | NoRemorse | H4NZ0: get a dvd burner hehe |
| 09:37.48 | Zxcvb | NoRemorse: need thhat 4GB CF card |
| 09:38.06 | NoRemorse | hehe 4GB sd coming out by 2004 they recon |
| 09:38.19 | H4NZ0 | its 2 years from now |
| 09:38.22 | Zxcvb | by then there will be an opensource SD driver |
| 09:38.24 | DaWorm | crap 4gb the size of a stamp |
| 09:38.25 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:38.29 | NoRemorse | :) |
| 09:38.34 | H4NZ0 | i probably have trashed my Z |
| 09:38.47 | Zxcvb | trashed everything |
| 09:38.47 | NoRemorse | wont boot? |
| 09:38.51 | Zxcvb | at least by 2005 |
| 09:38.55 | Zxcvb | hopefully |
| 09:39.02 | Zxcvb | diamond age |
| 09:39.03 | H4NZ0 | gtg guys |
| 09:39.06 | H4NZ0 | c ya |
| 09:41.09 | Zxcvb | heard a new SDL is coming out |
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| 09:42.43 | NoRemorse | whats SDL? |
| 09:43.38 | Zxcvb | graphics/sound libraries |
| 09:44.24 | NoRemorse | k |
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| 09:50.39 | NoRemorse | does anyone know if kergoth finished the OZ3.1 rc1? |
| 09:51.19 | lsmith | nope |
| 09:51.23 | lsmith | its now finished yet |
| 09:51.29 | lsmith | it will be announceed on the mailinglist |
| 09:51.31 | NoRemorse | now=not? |
| 09:51.55 | NoRemorse | hmm ok I'll install 3.0 :( |
| 09:52.09 | NoRemorse | make sure my backups worked :) |
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| 09:54.11 | Piete | Hello :) |
| 09:56.55 | noidd | how did you trash it? |
| 09:59.38 | Piete | heya noidd |
| 10:03.52 | NoRemorse | noidd: I didnt, I just installed sharp rom back on to rip opea and hancom off, and was waiting for 3.1 to put OZ back. |
| 10:08.14 | noidd | heyas Piete, long time no see |
| 10:08.17 | noidd | how are things? |
| 10:11.36 | Johnmcl7 | I finally got my Sharp Zaurus this morning :) |
| 10:12.16 | DaWorm | thats great |
| 10:12.56 | Johnmcl7 | Well, I'm pleased, been after a new PDA for the last couple of months |
| 10:13.06 | Piete | Johnmcl7: congrats :) |
| 10:13.14 | Piete | You'll enjoy it, a promise ;) |
| 10:13.19 | Piete | s/a/i |
| 10:13.20 | Johnmcl7 | Yeah |
| 10:13.21 | DaWorm | for sure |
| 10:13.26 | Johnmcl7 | Seems a really nice machine just for the hardware |
| 10:13.39 | Johnmcl7 | Just eagerly awaiting my lunchbreak so I can get to grips with it |
| 10:14.59 | Piete | hmm, the landlord is here :/ |
| 10:15.06 | Piete | lets see what he says.. |
| 10:15.59 | DaWorm | im going home |
| 10:16.00 | DaWorm | laterz |
| 10:17.12 | Piete | Johnmcl7: after you get to know it a bit you should definately try out OpenZaurs |
| 10:17.14 | Piete | Zaurus even |
| 10:17.24 | Piete | IMHO is much better |
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| 10:19.16 | NoRemorse | is the rwuirement that you have AC on Z when flashing rom purely in case the batt goes flat or a voltage thing? |
| 10:19.26 | NoRemorse | fuck "requirement" thats hould read |
| 10:19.55 | badl | NoRemorse: yes |
| 10:20.12 | NoRemorse | so.. the first? |
| 10:20.16 | NoRemorse | batt going flat? |
| 10:23.13 | Johnmcl7 | What's openZaurus? |
| 10:24.12 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 10:24.17 | NoRemorse | www.openzaurus.org |
| 10:24.26 | NoRemorse | alternative to sharp firmware |
| 10:24.34 | Johnmcl7 | Sorry, just got the Zaurus a couple of hours ago |
| 10:24.42 | Johnmcl7 | That's what I thought it sounded like |
| 10:25.06 | Johnmcl7 | Another question for the wise...would a smartmedia to cf adapter work with the Zaurus? |
| 10:25.25 | NoRemorse | why ? it has both |
| 10:25.50 | Johnmcl7 | It has both what? |
| 10:25.56 | NoRemorse | CF and SD slots?! |
| 10:26.00 | Johnmcl7 | SM! |
| 10:26.03 | Johnmcl7 | Smartmedia! |
| 10:26.05 | NoRemorse | oops sorry hehe |
| 10:26.15 | Johnmcl7 | And unfortunately I can't see that on the device... |
| 10:26.31 | NoRemorse | not sure, I take it there exists an adapter? if so the it prolly would work, assuming ti doesnt need drivers |
| 10:26.40 | NoRemorse | ti=it |
| 10:26.41 | Johnmcl7 | An adapter exists |
| 10:27.10 | Johnmcl7 | I'm not sure if the smartmedia is handled transparently by the cf controller |
| 10:27.24 | NoRemorse | my guess is if it does not need drivers on windows then it will work, ie if it appears as a native CF card |
| 10:27.40 | Johnmcl7 | http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=AD-CF-SM32 |
| 10:28.02 | NoRemorse | nfi dood |
| 10:28.13 | Johnmcl7 | ? |
| 10:28.35 | Johnmcl7 | http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=FA-CFSSM |
| 10:28.43 | Johnmcl7 | No need for drives for that one |
| 10:29.00 | noidd | yes they do |
| 10:29.05 | noidd | that way, they work. |
| 10:29.17 | noidd | put an SD card via a CF interface |
| 10:29.25 | noidd | but not the other way around |
| 10:30.43 | Johnmcl7 | ? |
| 10:30.49 | Laze | Thats a shame that CF to SD doesn't exists, i have CF wireless card and when its inserted i can't use my 256 mb cf card - damm! Have to swap it for some heavy SD mem. |
| 10:31.45 | Johnmcl7 | The Datafab one says it reads Smartmedia without drivers.. |
| 10:32.13 | NoRemorse | IF I remove an app from root and re-install to sd, then do a backup, then flash my rom again, then do the restore, do I now have 2 versions of the app, one on root and one on sd? |
| 10:44.00 | SillyZ | mornin |
| 10:45.03 | NoRemorse | bloody hell nothing was backed up other than my lan settings, I am gonna use tar from now on |
| 10:48.02 | NoRemorse | how am I meant to abck up what I have installed to sd? ie the fact that it is installed no the data? after my restore I have lost konquerer etc even tho I installed them to sd before the backup? |
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| 11:19.11 | Johnmcl7 | This may sound stupid, but I skipped it on the initial startup |
| 11:19.20 | Johnmcl7 | HOw do you enter your personal details on the Zaurus? |
| 11:23.29 | SillyZ | contacts / personal details |
| 11:24.52 | Johnmcl7 | Should contacts be in apps? |
| 11:24.58 | Johnmcl7 | Aha |
| 11:25.14 | SillyZ | grrr fsck on a 256mb cf |
| 11:25.24 | SillyZ | thisll take a while |
| 11:26.00 | Johnmcl7 | This mini-keyboard rocks! |
| 11:28.40 | Johnmcl7 | Thanks SillyZ |
| 11:35.07 | SillyZ | np |
| 11:35.31 | Johnmcl7 | What's the easiest way to install apps? |
| 11:35.40 | SillyZ | aqpkg |
| 11:35.52 | SillyZ | in the settings menu or add/remove software |
| 11:36.11 | Johnmcl7 | So you still do it from a storage card? |
| 11:36.41 | SillyZ | aye I generally move eveything over to the SD and save the CF for images/music/etc |
| 11:37.08 | Johnmcl7 | At the moment I have a 64MB CF card with it |
| 11:37.20 | Johnmcl7 | And a 32MB MMB fat formatted for my SL45 |
| 11:37.32 | Johnmcl7 | Does the card need to be ext2 formatted? |
| 11:37.55 | SillyZ | argh |
| 11:38.03 | SillyZ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:38.17 | Johnmcl7 | Still working from your 256 MB CF? |
| 11:38.18 | SillyZ | I run ext2 on both my cards although Im seriously considering ext3 at this point |
| 11:38.25 | NoRemorse | how come I restore a backup and all my apps I installed to SD aint showing up on PIM tab etc? |
| 11:38.28 | SillyZ | most everyhting is on the 64mb sd |
| 11:38.29 | SillyZ | brb |
| 11:38.39 | Johnmcl7 | I take it the Sharp won't work with fat formatted storage? |
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| 11:40.55 | NoRemorse | yep it does |
| 11:41.09 | NoRemorse | fat16 |
| 11:41.50 | Johnmcl7 | I'm not sure what formatting my camera uses on its Smartmedia |
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| 11:42.14 | SillyZ | re re |
| 11:42.28 | Johnmcl7 | I meant to take the MMC from the SL45 with me to test it but I forgot :/ |
| 11:44.12 | SillyZ | Im gonna try and move /home /root and /opt to the SD on the sharp rom |
| 11:44.16 | SillyZ | see how bad I blow it up |
| 11:44.25 | SillyZ | along with /usr/share and /usr/local |
| 11:44.29 | Johnmcl7 | What's happened? |
| 11:46.11 | SillyZ | oh Im just puttering around with the sharp rom |
| 11:46.14 | SillyZ | see what I can blow up :) |
| 11:46.33 | Johnmcl7 | Hehe |
| 11:47.25 | SillyZ | ill prolly take my powercord with me to work today just so I can play with things |
| 11:47.26 | SillyZ | :) |
| 11:47.45 | Johnmcl7 | I'm at work at the moment |
| 11:47.51 | Johnmcl7 | I collected the Zaurus on the way in |
| 11:48.04 | Johnmcl7 | It's sitting here beside me begging to be played with ;) |
| 11:48.40 | SillyZ | the only thing that really bugs me is I know oz is still in development, but stability seriously becomes and issue, and restoration of apps, settings, etc is not the most beautiful thing in the world atm |
| 11:48.58 | Johnmcl7 | :/ |
| 11:49.09 | NoRemorse | Johnmcl7 Sl-5500? |
| 11:49.17 | NoRemorse | how much u pay? |
| 11:49.19 | Johnmcl7 | Yep |
| 11:49.31 | Johnmcl7 | 250 pounds with 64MB CF card, USB charger and car charger |
| 11:49.48 | SillyZ | hehe |
| 11:50.12 | Johnmcl7 | Unfortunately I don't live in the US :( |
| 11:50.39 | Johnmcl7 | So that's a pretty good price |
| 11:51.39 | NoRemorse | yeah |
| 11:53.39 | Johnmcl7 | I'm well chuffed with it anyway ;) |
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| 12:05.33 | H4NZ0 | anyone have a precompiled zstyle package ? |
| 12:20.19 | SillyZ | aye |
| 12:20.24 | SillyZ | but thats warez |
| 12:20.31 | SillyZ | buy one from sandman |
| 12:28.16 | NoRemorse | whats zsttle? |
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| 12:39.06 | Twiun | afternoon |
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| 12:47.53 | ljp_ | nick ljp |
| 12:48.00 | ljp | heh |
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| 12:56.04 | Twiun | nope, doesn't seem to work |
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| 12:58.26 | George- | Hello |
| 12:58.33 | Twiun | hiya George- |
| 12:58.52 | George- | hey |
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| 13:02.31 | George- | hrmm |
| 13:02.36 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 13:02.43 | George- | Bit dead, innit? |
| 13:02.56 | Twiun | bit early, innit? |
| 13:02.58 | ljp | no |
| 13:03.57 | George- | It's 1 o'clock! |
| 13:03.57 | George- | =P |
| 13:04.35 | ljp | not its not |
| 13:08.04 | George- | UTC |
| 13:10.51 | Johnmcl7 | Is there anyway to upload files to a Zaurus with just the cradle? |
| 13:11.47 | ljp | well,,. who goes by UTC anyway :) |
| 13:12.41 | Twiun | Johnmcl7: ftp to port 4242 |
| 13:13.06 | Johnmcl7 | Thaks |
| 13:13.09 | Johnmcl7 | thanks* |
| 13:13.26 | ljp | everyone knows the center of the universe is at UTC-6 |
| 13:13.35 | Johnmcl7 | I've got a USB MMC reader but no MMC with me and a CF card with no cf reader! |
| 13:14.23 | George- | ljp: I'm in the UK :) |
| 13:14.31 | ljp | I know.. |
| 13:14.34 | Johnmcl7 | George-: Nice :) |
| 13:14.39 | Twiun | We know everything |
| 13:14.49 | Johnmcl7 | :O |
| 13:15.07 | Twiun | ~rlart |
| 13:15.35 | ljp | we even know how to get george banned off irc when he's at school |
| 13:16.05 | George- | lol |
| 13:16.14 | George- | Johnmcl7: what's nice? |
| 13:16.23 | Johnmcl7 | You're in the UK |
| 13:16.40 | Twiun | a lot of people are - I am |
| 13:16.50 | Twiun | but we live by US time on here ;-) |
| 13:16.55 | ljp | my ancestors were |
| 13:16.57 | Twiun | like ljp said |
| 13:17.21 | Johnmcl7 | Cool |
| 13:17.32 | ljp | errrggg.. |
| 13:18.14 | ljp | dont mess with the scottish/irish/english/german/dutch !! |
| 13:18.32 | Twiun | pick any two |
| 13:18.36 | George- | Johnmcl7: lol |
| 13:18.43 | George- | Johnmcl7: ok :) |
| 13:19.07 | Johnmcl7 | So whereabouts are you in the UK? |
| 13:19.45 | ljp | does it matter.. its all not really far from everywhere else :) |
| 13:19.53 | George- | lol |
| 13:19.55 | George- | londoj |
| 13:19.59 | George- | er.. |
| 13:20.01 | George- | london |
| 13:20.50 | Johnmcl7 | So where are you then ljp? |
| 13:20.55 | ljp | colorado |
| 13:21.29 | Johnmcl7 | That's quite far from here :P |
| 13:21.47 | ljp | true. I was speaking of the uk. :D |
| 13:22.01 | Johnmcl7 | oooooo....!!!!!!!! |
| 13:23.47 | ljp | cant you like ride a bike from one end to the other in a day there? :D |
| 13:26.48 | troffasky | afternoon peeps |
| 13:27.12 | Johnmcl7 | Afternnon troffasky |
| 13:27.16 | Twiun | yo |
| 13:28.16 | *** join/#zaurus glad (~benoit@e017.dhcp212-198-17.noos.fr) |
| 13:28.50 | glad | hi |
| 13:28.56 | Johnmcl7 | Hey glad |
| 13:29.16 | troffasky | Insight.com are selling WCF12 WLAN cards for 54UKP |
| 13:29.33 | Johnmcl7 | WOAH! |
| 13:30.00 | troffasky | Johnmc17: that a good price? |
| 13:30.08 | Johnmcl7 | It'll do for me |
| 13:30.09 | glad | hmm c est la que j'avais matte je crois |
| 13:30.11 | glad | oops |
| 13:30.40 | troffasky | my only prob. is: i'll need an SD card for all my OZ stuff |
| 13:31.16 | Johnmcl7 | I can handle that |
| 13:31.29 | Johnmcl7 | I would use the cf card out and about |
| 13:31.35 | Johnmcl7 | And then wi-fi in my flat |
| 13:32.00 | troffasky | what's the general consensus regarding SD cards? Can I just pick any brand? |
| 13:32.13 | Johnmcl7 | Not Sandisk |
| 13:32.17 | troffasky | ah |
| 13:32.21 | Johnmcl7 | People always seem to recommend against them |
| 13:32.26 | George- | SanDisk works... |
| 13:32.27 | Johnmcl7 | Although I don't know why |
| 13:32.38 | troffasky | I don't suppose anybody knows which chipset Jessops card uses? |
| 13:32.43 | Johnmcl7 | Nope |
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| 13:33.03 | troffasky | jessops do in-store price matching off the web which is kind of neat |
| 13:33.12 | Johnmcl7 | Yeah |
| 13:33.15 | Johnmcl7 | Definitely |
| 13:34.19 | Johnmcl7 | troffasky: Have you got a direct link to that wi-fi card? |
| 13:34.23 | troffasky | yeah |
| 13:34.32 | troffasky | http://www.insight.com/uk/apps/productpresentation/index.php?alert=categoryresults&product_id=LNKNA038SD |
| 13:34.38 | Johnmcl7 | Thans |
| 13:34.41 | Johnmcl7 | Thanks* |
| 13:34.48 | troffasky | 53 in stock |
| 13:35.35 | Johnmcl7 | ibot wireless |
| 13:35.37 | | hmm... wireless is The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 13:36.42 | troffasky | the WCF12 is narrower than the WCF11 so it won't block any ports |
| 13:36.50 | Johnmcl7 | Great |
| 13:36.57 | George- | I once saw a socket wlan card for 100 GBP |
| 13:37.13 | troffasky | http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=22&prid=434 |
| 13:37.27 | Johnmcl7 | Are there any disadvantages of the WCF12 card? |
| 13:37.47 | troffasky | lower power :-( |
| 13:38.18 | George- | erm |
| 13:38.20 | troffasky | Speaking of Jessops, they're selling CF WLAN cards for [drumroll] 150UKP!!! |
| 13:38.22 | George- | isn't low power good? |
| 13:38.34 | troffasky | no I mean lower radiated RF power |
| 13:38.45 | George- | ok |
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| 13:39.19 | George- | http://www.totalpda.co.uk/networkingview.asp?id=148 |
| 13:39.28 | troffasky | I'm building an external battery pack for Warwalking with my Z. It's just gonna be a 4-AA cell thing |
| 13:39.29 | chouimat | hi George- |
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| 13:40.00 | George- | hi |
| 13:40.07 | troffasky | George-: why are they so expensive? |
| 13:40.28 | George- | they're low power |
| 13:40.34 | George- | apparently the lowest :) |
| 13:40.42 | George- | ibot socket |
| 13:40.44 | | from memory, socket is Normally, it's where your limbs are attached to, as in "I'm going to rip your arm out of the socket." In network speak, a socket is composed of an IP address and a port number. For example, a socket could be "206.119.148.38 port 80." See also TCP/IP and ports. |
| 13:40.48 | troffasky | what, in all areas ;-) |
| 13:40.55 | George- | ibot socket wlan |
| 13:40.57 | | George-: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:40.58 | noda | lol |
| 13:41.00 | George- | blah |
| 13:41.03 | George- | stupid annoying ibot |
| 13:41.28 | chouimat | ibot: lart George- |
| 13:41.34 | troffasky | lol |
| 13:41.56 | chouimat | ibot george |
| 13:41.57 | | chouimat: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 13:42.03 | chouimat | ibot George- |
| 13:42.05 | | George-: ibot is beginning to annoy me |
| 13:42.06 | George- | ibot george- |
| 13:42.08 | | George-: ibot is beginning to annoy me |
| 13:42.14 | George- | ibot kergoth |
| 13:42.16 | | i heard kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 13:42.19 | George- | ermm |
| 13:42.22 | noda | ibot noda |
| 13:42.24 | | i don't know, noda |
| 13:42.24 | George- | ibot shoot kergoth |
| 13:42.26 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 13:42.30 | George- | yay |
| 13:42.33 | noda | ibot noda is great |
| 13:42.35 | | noda: okay |
| 13:42.37 | noda | ibot noda |
| 13:42.39 | | rumour has it, noda is great |
| 13:42.42 | chouimat | ibot noda is also someone who think about Girl |
| 13:42.44 | | chouimat: okay |
| 13:42.44 | noda | :) |
| 13:42.48 | noda | Noo! |
| 13:42.49 | noda | ibot noda is great |
| 13:42.51 | | ...but noda is already something else... |
| 13:43.00 | chouimat | ibot noda |
| 13:43.02 | | somebody said noda was great, or someone who think about Girl |
| 13:43.13 | noda | Gnah. |
| 13:43.16 | chouimat | ibot chouimat |
| 13:43.18 | | hmm... chouimat is probably someone looking for a girlfriend or Bob's owner |
| 13:43.19 | noda | If only I knew how to erase ibot stuff :P |
| 13:44.47 | Johnmcl7 | George-: What's the verdict then? |
| 13:45.09 | Johnmcl7 | I like the look and price of that card |
| 13:45.58 | George- | it's apparently very good |
| 13:46.02 | George- | I dunno, I'm no wlan expert |
| 13:46.18 | chouimat | only a 14 years old geek :) |
| 13:46.24 | troffasky | I'm buying one now! + an SD card |
| 13:46.30 | Twiun | ibot: no, noda is simply noda |
| 13:46.32 | | Twiun: okay |
| 13:46.40 | Johnmcl7 | I was just wondering if there was any reason not buy the card |
| 13:46.46 | noda | ibot noda |
| 13:46.48 | | [noda] simply noda |
| 13:46.55 | noda | :P |
| 13:46.59 | Johnmcl7 | Seems too good a price, especially if it doesn't obscure the stylus |
| 13:47.02 | chouimat | ibot no, chouimat is Him |
| 13:47.03 | | chouimat: okay |
| 13:47.10 | Johnmcl7 | ibot wcf12 |
| 13:47.12 | | i haven't a clue, Johnmcl7 |
| 13:47.12 | noda | chouimat: Life starts when you get your first computer? |
| 13:47.34 | chouimat | noda: virtual one atleast |
| 13:47.42 | noda | :P |
| 13:47.52 | noda | I'm...er... I dunno. Around 7 or 8. Wow, time flies :) |
| 13:48.16 | chouimat | noda: ok I'm 22 then :P |
| 13:48.31 | chouimat | err 23 |
| 13:48.31 | Johnmcl7 | I'm 22 as well |
| 13:48.49 | chouimat | Johnmcl7: in reality i'm 28 |
| 13:48.54 | Johnmcl7 | :O |
| 13:49.24 | George- | I'm 14 |
| 13:49.26 | George- | Still... |
| 13:49.36 | Johnmcl7 | I'm looking at the instructions on the Zauruszone page, is the WCF12 difficult to work with the standard Sharp rom? |
| 13:49.39 | chouimat | George-: poor baby :) |
| 13:49.48 | Johnmcl7 | I feel old :( |
| 13:49.50 | George- | 15 in march :) |
| 13:50.00 | troffasky | does anybody actually use the Sharp rom ;-) |
| 13:50.04 | George- | lol |
| 13:50.07 | George- | troffasky: I use OZ |
| 13:50.11 | chouimat | George-: 29 in february |
| 13:50.13 | troffasky | me too |
| 13:50.25 | Johnmcl7 | I've just got the Zaurus this morning |
| 13:50.36 | Johnmcl7 | I would like to get it working wirelessly before I start messing around with it |
| 13:50.43 | *** join/#zaurus Laze (~Laze@212.10.10.204) |
| 13:51.00 | Johnmcl7 | If the WCF12 doesn't work with the Sharp rom, it's not much use to me :( |
| 13:52.45 | *** part/#zaurus Laze (~Laze@212.10.10.204) |
| 13:52.58 | George- | Johnmcl7: are you in the UK then? |
| 13:53.07 | Johnmcl7 | Yep |
| 13:53.13 | George- | whereabouts? |
| 13:53.25 | Johnmcl7 | Live in Edinburgh, work in Dunfermline |
| 13:53.52 | George- | scotland then? |
| 13:53.56 | Johnmcl7 | Yep! |
| 13:53.57 | George- | ;) |
| 13:54.17 | troffasky | Johnmcl7: A quick google suggests that WCF12+Sharp ROM is easy |
| 13:54.36 | troffasky | it's just another PrismII card |
| 13:54.36 | Johnmcl7 | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=4862&hl=wcf12&s=465a99114829975ff795062e1f73731c |
| 13:54.43 | Johnmcl7 | I was just reading that |
| 13:54.49 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.55 | Johnmcl7 | Hey benmeyer |
| 13:55.11 | chouimat | hi benmeyer |
| 13:55.21 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin benmeyer |
| 13:56.18 | Cloudchaser | what's new and exciting today? |
| 13:56.48 | Johnmcl7 | WCF12 card for 54 pounds in the UK |
| 13:57.02 | Johnmcl7 | Trying to decide whether to go for it or not |
| 13:57.22 | George- | Johnmcl7: where from? |
| 13:57.36 | Johnmcl7 | http://www.insight.com/uk/apps/productpresentation/index.php?alert=categoryresults&product_id=LNKNA038SD |
| 13:57.53 | Johnmcl7 | There seems to be a couple of people unhappy with it on the forums |
| 13:57.57 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: as usual... a meeting :) |
| 13:58.00 | Johnmcl7 | But the price is sooo tempting |
| 13:58.06 | Cloudchaser | i think you have to edit a file is all |
| 13:58.08 | Cloudchaser | to make it work |
| 13:58.18 | Johnmcl7 | I'm running the original Sharp rom though |
| 13:58.22 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: fun fun |
| 13:58.26 | Johnmcl7 | Only got the zaurus this morning |
| 13:58.47 | Cloudchaser | ah well update it to 2.37 or 2.38 (2.38 won't let you sych via wireless though) |
| 13:59.12 | Johnmcl7 | I just want to connect to Messenger, irc and the internet over wireless |
| 13:59.44 | Johnmcl7 | It's ROM version 2.35 I think |
| 13:59.56 | Cloudchaser | 2.35? |
| 14:00.04 | Johnmcl7 | According to system info |
| 14:00.05 | Cloudchaser | don't thikn i remember that one |
| 14:00.06 | George- | UK rom |
| 14:00.09 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 14:00.11 | George- | Cloudchaser: it's a UK rom |
| 14:00.29 | Cloudchaser | hehe thanks George- :) i didn't know |
| 14:00.33 | Johnmcl7 | Cloudchaser: Do you think it's worth going for then? |
| 14:00.37 | Cloudchaser | then.. the newest uk rom is 2.39 |
| 14:00.52 | Cloudchaser | Johnmcl7: I have no personal experience with it |
| 14:00.55 | Cloudchaser | its up to you |
| 14:01.00 | Johnmcl7 | :/ |
| 14:01.10 | Cloudchaser | can return it though if you can't get it to work |
| 14:01.26 | Johnmcl7 | How easy is it to update the rom? |
| 14:01.29 | Cloudchaser | maybe someone else in here has that model that could speak better |
| 14:01.38 | Johnmcl7 | I have no data on it yet so restoring data isn't a problem |
| 14:01.51 | Cloudchaser | fairly easy if you follow the instructions.. |
| 14:01.56 | Cloudchaser | windows or linux? |
| 14:02.08 | Johnmcl7 | My PC is Windows |
| 14:02.21 | Cloudchaser | ok you can reflash via the cradle then |
| 14:02.31 | Cloudchaser | i think anyway |
| 14:02.36 | Cloudchaser | not sure of the uk roms |
| 14:02.45 | Cloudchaser | go to myzaurus.com |
| 14:02.50 | Cloudchaser | and look their for the info |
| 14:03.01 | benmeyer | did oz 3.1 get released yesterday? |
| 14:03.04 | George- | reflash via cradle?? |
| 14:03.09 | George- | wtf? |
| 14:03.18 | George- | is that a 5500 thing? |
| 14:03.34 | Cloudchaser | dunno..i only did it once way back with 2.37 |
| 14:03.48 | Johnmcl7 | How else do you flash the rom? |
| 14:03.49 | Cloudchaser | theres a windows executable i think |
| 14:03.57 | Johnmcl7 | *sigh* |
| 14:04.00 | Cloudchaser | Johnmcl7: with a cf card |
| 14:04.08 | Johnmcl7 | Is that way easy? |
| 14:04.14 | Cloudchaser | it was easy for me |
| 14:04.14 | George- | hrmm |
| 14:04.30 | George- | i heard of a way to fix bricked Zs by reflashing via the non-standard sharp port |
| 14:04.39 | glad | is there ant working bluetooth card wich work on the Z ? |
| 14:04.40 | George- | perhaps if we reverse engineer the 5500 flashing system... |
| 14:04.49 | Johnmcl7 | Can you run a terminal on the sharp rom? |
| 14:04.54 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 14:04.59 | Cloudchaser | nice one on zsi |
| 14:05.02 | Cloudchaser | ibot zsi |
| 14:05.15 | Cloudchaser | way too much dtail there |
| 14:05.26 | Cloudchaser | should just give the url |
| 14:05.48 | George- | Cloudchaser: it's giving the latest entries |
| 14:06.02 | Cloudchaser | i know |
| 14:06.11 | Cloudchaser | i just wanted to give him the url though ;)( |
| 14:06.45 | glad | thanks |
| 14:07.11 | troffasky | zaurus SD card list: http://hacking.the.cia.com/~knight/ZaurusIndex.php |
| 14:07.21 | Johnmcl7 | So will the wi-fi card work better with later roms, or simply not at all with earlier roms? |
| 14:07.26 | Cloudchaser | thats a very handy url when you're buying cards |
| 14:08.51 | smee | ibot sd |
| 14:08.53 | | extra, extra, read all about it, sd is an external storage media that can be used for applications and documents. Due to it's slow speed, it is not recommended for video/audio files. http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml see also CF, or http://hacking.the.cia.com/~knight/ZaurusIndex.php |
| 14:09.13 | George- | hahahaha |
| 14:09.16 | George- | hacking.the.cia.com |
| 14:09.17 | George- | :) |
| 14:12.44 | Johnmcl7 | In the event that Insight, at its discretion (unless the Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000 apply), agrees to accept the return for credit of unwanted products, the goods must be returned with Insight's prior written agreement within 14 days of delivery. The goods must be unopened and in perfect re-saleable condition. All goods returned in these circumstances will be subject to a handling fee of 15% of Insight’s sale price for the good |
| 14:13.03 | Johnmcl7 | That's a reassuring returns policy :( |
| 14:14.18 | troffasky | under CP(DS)R 2000, you get a week to return it, no questions asked |
| 14:14.38 | Johnmcl7 | Well spotted |
| 14:14.47 | troffasky | good to know! |
| 14:14.55 | Johnmcl7 | I was just thinking of ordering it and sorting it out later |
| 14:15.05 | Johnmcl7 | As I *really* want a cf wireless card... |
| 14:17.27 | *** join/#zaurus Dilb (1000@lns-p19-18-81-56-72-29.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 14:19.18 | George- | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=9593A66CD4X97D2XX9E9XCAXF72FAD4C&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=49869 |
| 14:19.19 | George- | WTF??? |
| 14:20.32 | Johnmcl7 | What about it? |
| 14:20.52 | George- | It's a Windoze thing on a Z site |
| 14:21.09 | Johnmcl7 | :/ |
| 14:22.29 | George- | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=9593A66CD4X97D2XX9E9XCAXF72FAD4C&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=49877 |
| 14:22.31 | George- | That too |
| 14:22.35 | Dilb | lo |
| 14:23.36 | George- | what's Zaurus.com? |
| 14:23.54 | benmeyer | done |
| 14:24.10 | George- | thanks ben |
| 14:25.03 | George- | benmeyer: I have a PowerPC SDK for the Z that I made |
| 14:25.12 | George- | benmeyer: Do you think I should up load it? |
| 14:25.32 | chouimat | George-: email it to me ? :P |
| 14:25.40 | George- | chouimat: heh |
| 14:25.43 | George- | chouimat: I'm on 56k |
| 14:25.51 | George- | chouimat: and it's 60 odd MB |
| 14:26.11 | George- | benmeyer: you here? |
| 14:26.23 | George- | benmeyer: I've uploaded the HTML editor to Handango, ok? :) |
| 14:26.41 | benmeyer | 60MB? |
| 14:26.43 | Com[Plex | "whats the difference between you and a mallard with a cold?" |
| 14:26.44 | *** join/#zaurus SillyZ_ (~james@lnk-24-169-246-61.neb.rr.com) |
| 14:26.48 | chouimat | George-: a MFC -> qt ? |
| 14:26.48 | SillyZ_ | mornin yall |
| 14:27.18 | George- | benmeyer: yes |
| 14:27.33 | George- | benmeyer: it's a tar.bz2 of the qt libs for PowerPC and ARM |
| 14:27.58 | George- | benmeyer: the PowerPC host uses Opie for testing (can't get the qpe sources to compile with gcc 3.2) |
| 14:28.06 | George- | benmeyer: and a ARM toolchain for C/C++ |
| 14:28.12 | benmeyer | cool |
| 14:28.19 | benmeyer | well I can add it to the howtos if you want |
| 14:28.32 | George- | silly me |
| 14:28.32 | George- | it's 32MB |
| 14:28.38 | benmeyer | actually what would probably be best would be to find out what debian packages make up the sdk |
| 14:28.44 | chouimat | George-: just write the description on how to get the result |
| 14:28.50 | George- | Erm.. |
| 14:28.54 | Johnmcl7 | Hey SillyZ |
| 14:28.54 | Com[Plex | "ones a sick duck, and I cant remember the rest, but your mothers a whore" |
| 14:29.10 | George- | chouimat: it's complicated :) |
| 14:29.17 | chouimat | George-: I know |
| 14:29.20 | George- | chouimat: I involved taking a pre-built toolchain, taking all the arm libs from the official SDK, building opie/qt from source etc |
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| 14:31.46 | George- | benmeyer: I'm not sure what you mean about a howto./. |
| 14:33.49 | George- | does Zaurus.com run off the same software that sf runs from? |
| 14:34.32 | benmeyer | y |
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| 14:35.18 | George- | benmeyer: are there any plans to get a better kernel someday? |
| 14:35.56 | chouimat | George-: someone told me that it work on it |
| 14:36.10 | George- | chouimat: 1 |
| 14:36.14 | George- | chouimat: 2.4.19? |
| 14:36.20 | chouimat | George-: yup |
| 14:36.28 | George- | chouimat: who? |
| 14:36.28 | benmeyer | yup |
| 14:36.32 | George- | ibot 2.4.19\ |
| 14:36.33 | | i don't know, George- |
| 14:36.34 | George- | ibot 2.4.19 |
| 14:36.35 | | 2.4 |
| 14:36.42 | George- | ibot kernel |
| 14:36.47 | chouimat | George-: wait :) |
| 14:37.53 | ciaolinux | chouimat: how about 2.4.20? ;-) |
| 14:38.19 | chouimat | but without *good* documentation |
| 14:38.27 | George- | http://community.zaurus.com/projects/zaurus/ |
| 14:38.32 | George- | Perhaps I could upload my SDK to there |
| 14:39.05 | benmeyer | yah |
| 14:39.38 | George- | where's fusion94? |
| 14:39.45 | George- | ;0 |
| 14:41.08 | chouimat | benmeyer: does the new kernel code, will be readable? |
| 14:44.34 | benmeyer | no idea |
| 14:44.55 | chouimat | benmeyer: ok |
| 14:45.55 | bipolar | god..... kde 3.1 delayed to early next year... what a shitter |
| 14:47.02 | ljp_work | hmm I am running it right now.. at home |
| 14:48.19 | benmeyer | bipolar: would you rather their be security bugs? |
| 14:48.28 | benmeyer | as with rc4? |
| 14:48.48 | bipolar | benmeyer: no... I'm running rc4 now though. :) |
| 14:49.02 | benmeyer | hehe you should upgrade to rc5 |
| 14:49.07 | benmeyer | and3.1 when it comes out |
| 14:49.08 | bipolar | benmeyer: I can't give up the new features.... I'm addictied to thm :) |
| 14:49.21 | benmeyer | what is new? |
| 14:49.28 | benmeyer | I have been using them on a per app basis |
| 14:50.22 | bipolar | benmeyer: kmail has better IMAP support, the desktop shareing app is awesome, tabs in konq, konq can now do my online banking.... etc |
| 14:50.31 | benmeyer | nice |
| 14:50.43 | benmeyer | noatun can do divX I head |
| 14:50.49 | benmeyer | head/heard |
| 14:50.53 | ljp_work | dont forget kitchensync |
| 14:51.22 | benmeyer | I finally have a kde application in kde with the 3.1 release (KAudioCreator) |
| 14:51.40 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 14:51.48 | ljp_work | whats kmusic about? |
| 14:51.56 | benmeyer | hmm don't know |
| 14:52.05 | benmeyer | note editor? |
| 14:52.12 | bipolar | last time I tried kitchensync, it was not useable. I s anyone using it noe? |
| 14:52.16 | bipolar | s/noe/now |
| 14:52.35 | ljp_work | zecke said it connects, but I couldnt get it connected |
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| 14:52.40 | George- | Hello |
| 14:52.43 | George- | Back |
| 14:52.46 | ljp_work | and there's no connect button |
| 14:52.47 | George- | X went mental |
| 14:52.49 | George- | :) |
| 14:52.54 | chouimat | it connect but now transfert at all and it kill usbnet |
| 14:53.07 | bipolar | ljp_work: I got it to connect, but it messed up my addressbook on sync |
| 14:53.07 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 14:56.08 | chouimat | bipolar: I don't even transfert here |
| 15:02.17 | ljp_work | chouimat: cvs version? |
| 15:02.38 | George- | hrmm |
| 15:02.51 | George- | I need to install SuSE 7.3 on my laptop |
| 15:02.52 | chouimat | ljp: head |
| 15:04.21 | chouimat|away | bbl |
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| 15:20.20 | George- | hey prpplague |
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| 15:25.53 | prpplague | George-: morning |
| 15:26.05 | George- | prpplague: hey |
| 15:26.09 | George- | prpplague: how's XFree86? |
| 15:26.31 | prpplague | George-: don't know, haven't been able to work on it in weeks |
| 15:26.47 | George- | ibot debian |
| 15:26.49 | | hmm... debian is a Linux-Distribution (http://www.debian.org) or very cool or the best thing since sliced macaroni and cheese |
| 15:26.50 | George- | ibot mdz |
| 15:26.52 | | George-: are you smoking crack? |
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| 15:31.32 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 15:35.14 | Johnmcl7 | Ooh, nic syntax ;) |
| 15:35.18 | Johnmcl7 | nice* |
| 15:37.00 | glad | vida : fin moi ca me choque paske meme en y mettant un peu de bonne volonté on doit pas valoir grand chuz en sécu donc quand tu vois un mec ki fait ca direct tu t'attend au pire |
| 15:37.03 | glad | rah |
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| 15:39.25 | macro | hello, i'm thinking of getting a zaurus, but just heard that sharp will be realeasing a 400Mhz version of the zaurus soon |
| 15:39.43 | troffasky | and? |
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| 15:39.51 | Johnmcl7 | The 206 one is no slouch |
| 15:40.39 | macro | I wouldn't be dissapointed with a 206Mhz zaurus ? |
| 15:40.42 | Johnmcl7 | I wanted my Zaurus now so I just went for it |
| 15:40.56 | Johnmcl7 | I've yet to see an Xscale processor working properly |
| 15:41.00 | Johnmcl7 | Since it's not supported on PPCS |
| 15:41.01 | troffasky | macro: I'm not |
| 15:41.14 | macro | hows divx playback ? |
| 15:41.29 | Johnmcl7 | I just got my one this morning ;) |
| 15:41.35 | macro | cool |
| 15:41.36 | Johnmcl7 | So I haven't had much time to play with it |
| 15:41.40 | XavierXeon | the 5600 has imho one big disadvantage : only 32 MB RAM |
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| 15:41.53 | Johnmcl7 | Is that dedicated ram though? |
| 15:41.59 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 15:42.01 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:42.07 | Johnmcl7 | And how much for storage? |
| 15:42.10 | Johnmcl7 | Hey kergoth |
| 15:42.11 | XavierXeon | hi kergoth |
| 15:42.43 | XavierXeon | i zhink it will be 64MB for storage |
| 15:42.48 | XavierXeon | err think |
| 15:42.57 | Johnmcl7 | So isn't that better? |
| 15:43.09 | kergoth | 32mb read only flash, 32mb writable flash, 32mb ram |
| 15:43.20 | kergoth | OZ will of course take advantage of all the flash, giving you 64mb of storage. |
| 15:43.25 | macro | with the 206Mhz, would I have slow mpeg4 or divx playback ? |
| 15:43.26 | Johnmcl7 | I see! |
| 15:43.35 | troffasky|away | yeah but you can't upgrade the ram |
| 15:43.42 | XavierXeon | if you are running crow rom or oz with the 5500 you can have 64MB ram and as much storage as your sd card has |
| 15:43.45 | Johnmcl7 | So you don't like the lack of dynamic storage |
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| 15:43.57 | Johnmcl7 | Yeah, sorry, I see your point now |
| 15:43.58 | Johnmcl7 | That is bad |
| 15:44.02 | kergoth | well, the fact is the 5600 is limited to 32mb and the 5500 is able to use 64 |
| 15:44.02 | kergoth | but |
| 15:44.11 | kergoth | 90% of the users will never use more than 32 |
| 15:44.14 | George- | hey kergoth!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:44.18 | George- | ibot shoot kergoth |
| 15:44.20 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 15:44.20 | kergoth | power users yes, but not end users |
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| 15:44.21 | kergoth | George-: hey! how ya been? |
| 15:44.25 | troffasky|away | bit of a disincentive to upgrade |
| 15:44.28 | George- | kergoth: fine |
| 15:44.32 | George- | kergoth: school just finished :))) |
| 15:45.18 | ljp_work | and your parent let you play on their computers? |
| 15:45.22 | ljp_work | parents |
| 15:45.28 | George- | ljp_work: it's my computer... |
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| 15:45.36 | ljp_work | oh. |
| 15:45.45 | ljp_work | and its not broken already? ;) |
| 15:45.51 | George- | lol |
| 15:45.55 | George- | no, not yet :) |
| 15:46.18 | macro | has anyone used their zaurus to playback videos ? |
| 15:46.30 | George- | macro: yes |
| 15:46.30 | ljp_work | ya |
| 15:46.31 | kergoth | macro: quite a few of us |
| 15:46.39 | George- | macro: I ran op2 on my 5000D... |
| 15:47.07 | macro | kergoth: hows the performance ? |
| 15:47.08 | Harlekin | George-: tried the new pre beta? |
| 15:47.13 | George- | Harlekin: not yet |
| 15:47.16 | kergoth | macro: works great |
| 15:47.21 | George- | Harlekin: I'm still running the version from ages ago |
| 15:47.21 | George- | lol |
| 15:47.27 | Harlekin | get new one |
| 15:47.28 | George- | ibot op2 |
| 15:47.30 | | from memory, op2 is a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, and other formats. The backend uses the xine libs. search for it in the oz3 feed for install help. ... http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 15:47.30 | Harlekin | its worth it |
| 15:47.31 | XavierXeon | Harlekin: where can i get it ? |
| 15:47.35 | macro | can the 5500 handle divx or mpeg4 smoothly ? |
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| 15:47.45 | Harlekin | XavierXeon: noda mirrored it somewhere |
| 15:47.50 | XavierXeon | ok |
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| 15:47.53 | JasonNJ | morening |
| 15:47.56 | Harlekin | XavierXeon: but real beta 2 weekend or beginning next week |
| 15:48.03 | JasonNJ | so, everyone signing up on Zaurus.com today? |
| 15:48.14 | Harlekin | why |
| 15:48.15 | George- | Harlekin: Where do I get the pre-beta from? |
| 15:48.24 | Harlekin | George-: usual |
| 15:48.27 | Johnmcl7 | Quick! |
| 15:48.32 | Johnmcl7 | Is it worth buying a WCF12?? |
| 15:48.32 | George- | Harlekin: which is where...? |
| 15:48.40 | George- | Johnmcl7: lol |
| 15:48.41 | Johnmcl7 | They're disappearing fast from the store I'm looking at |
| 15:48.52 | JasonNJ | harlekin: you guys shoul use the CVS space on zaurus.com |
| 15:48.59 | kergoth | George-: itll be in the unstable feed in a few |
| 15:49.01 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: why |
| 15:49.02 | kergoth | George-: (oz) |
| 15:49.12 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: hh.org gives me real ssh access |
| 15:49.16 | Harlekin | and everything |
| 15:49.16 | ljp_work | first you have to donate to harlekins paypal account |
| 15:49.33 | ljp_work | then you can access the op2 |
| 15:49.36 | George- | lol |
| 15:49.43 | Johnmcl7 | Ok, I'm going to risk it and go for a WCF12 |
| 15:49.49 | Harlekin | ljp_work: i msged him |
| 15:50.02 | ljp_work | :D |
| 15:50.45 | Dilb | ljp_work: what percentage do you get ? :) and do I get ? :) |
| 15:51.03 | ljp_work | heh, well right now, tronical gets my % |
| 15:51.34 | kergoth | er, why the hell is opie-console trying to include rz and sz rather than depending on lrzsz? |
| 15:51.58 | ljp_work | because it wants to |
| 15:52.03 | George- | lol |
| 15:52.03 | kergoth | but its evil |
| 15:52.15 | ljp_work | evil is live spelled backwards |
| 15:52.16 | George- | kergoth: how's like been then? |
| 15:52.30 | George- | s/like/life |
| 15:52.32 | kergoth | George-: liFe has been pretty good, if hectic |
| 15:52.41 | George- | lol |
| 15:52.44 | kergoth | George-: trip to vegas helped me stay sane even tho im still in tech support :) |
| 15:52.46 | George- | thanks for the correction =P |
| 15:52.48 | George- | LOL |
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| 15:55.19 | George- | bloody stupid xchat |
| 15:56.17 | Johnmcl7 | I've ordered the WCF12 now ;) |
| 15:56.30 | George- | where from??? |
| 15:56.36 | Johnmcl7 | insight |
| 15:57.16 | Johnmcl7 | Just hope it works now :/ |
| 15:58.11 | benmeyer | it should |
| 15:58.14 | benmeyer | that is a linksys right? |
| 15:58.17 | Johnmcl7 | Yeah |
| 15:59.45 | Johnmcl7 | Got it for 60 quid delivered |
| 16:02.44 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: if you really want that stuff we can probably arrange it, but I am thinking you might want to use Zaurus.com for software distribution |
| 16:02.59 | Harlekin | for the feeds |
| 16:03.00 | Harlekin | maybe |
| 16:03.06 | Harlekin | ill ask the packager |
| 16:03.33 | kergoth | I'll be using it as another openzaurus mirro |
| 16:03.33 | kergoth | r |
| 16:03.33 | kergoth | for our feeds and images |
| 16:03.33 | Harlekin | ipaq feed |
| 16:03.33 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:03.36 | JasonNJ | kergoth: awesome, more exposure for it. |
| 16:03.54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: bout to push 3.1rc1, testing phase has begun, feel free to test :) |
| 16:04.03 | JasonNJ | oh you got an initrd? |
| 16:04.25 | kergoth | yep, its built, bout to upload tot he download page |
| 16:04.33 | kergoth | i'm throwing up the normal and the gcc3 images |
| 16:04.39 | kergoth | (with a disclaimer on the gcc3 one) |
| 16:04.45 | kergoth | heh |
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| 16:05.08 | Harlekin | hi noda |
| 16:05.26 | noda | Harlekin: Heya :) |
| 16:07.44 | George- | Harlekin: MUCH faster startup |
| 16:07.57 | Harlekin | George-: yeah |
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| 16:08.37 | JasonNJ | gcc3 one still wacked I presume |
| 16:08.41 | kergoth | JasonNJ: eh? |
| 16:08.46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: its working great |
| 16:08.49 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i dont know what you mean |
| 16:08.50 | JasonNJ | e2fs broken? |
| 16:08.54 | kergoth | not afaik. |
| 16:09.00 | kergoth | updated to the latest version and it no longer crashes and burns |
| 16:09.03 | kergoth | boots and works fine |
| 16:09.03 | JasonNJ | so it starts up normally? |
| 16:09.04 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:09.07 | JasonNJ | wow. |
| 16:09.16 | George- | Hey |
| 16:09.23 | Harlekin | kergoth: now only prelink needs to work badly |
| 16:09.24 | George- | It's crashing whenever I hit "Play" |
| 16:09.31 | Harlekin | George-: it does? |
| 16:09.32 | JasonNJ | who did the e2fs fixes? |
| 16:09.34 | kergoth | Harlekin: yes, i'll be working on it again today after the release |
| 16:09.38 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the upstream folks |
| 16:09.41 | Harlekin | George-: thats when it load the codecs ) |
| 16:09.47 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i just grabbed the latest bleeding edge version and debian unstable patches |
| 16:09.47 | George- | Harlekin: yes |
| 16:09.47 | JasonNJ | wow, that was quick. |
| 16:09.50 | kergoth | JasonNJ: just updated |
| 16:10.04 | George- | the codecs are all on SD |
| 16:10.06 | Harlekin | George-: mem issue maybe |
| 16:10.09 | JasonNJ | so are those patches only in the gcc3 version? |
| 16:10.19 | kergoth | JasonNJ: using the same e2fsprogs in both roms |
| 16:10.27 | Harlekin | kergoth: good, since they are needed |
| 16:11.07 | George- | opieplayer2: error while loading shared libraries: opieplayer2: undefined symbol: __70TickerP7QWidget |
| 16:11.07 | JasonNJ | package manager working? |
| 16:11.23 | noda | George-: Update to the latest opie-libs |
| 16:11.40 | George- | noda: ok |
| 16:11.46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: works fine afaict |
| 16:11.54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: atd is dead. |
| 16:12.00 | noda | Harlekin: Oh, btw, any chance of a gcc3-compiled op2? |
| 16:12.03 | kergoth | JasonNJ: we're using apmd and opie-alarm. one less daemon running |
| 16:12.16 | kergoth | JasonNJ: well, not really, but its alright |
| 16:12.17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: heh |
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| 16:12.28 | noda | I could probably figure out how to do it myself, but I'd have to pester kergoth so much he'd ignore me :P |
| 16:12.34 | kergoth | JasonNJ: that random time loss bug i could never reproduce is fixed, as it was a atd issue |
| 16:12.43 | Harlekin | noda: if somebody gives me a good gcc3 toolchain |
| 16:12.50 | noda | ibot oz toolchain |
| 16:12.52 | | extra, extra, read all about it, oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 16:12.52 | JasonNJ | I'll definitely play with it today |
| 16:12.58 | noda | Harlekin: <-- that one is nice :) |
| 16:13.07 | Harlekin | not really |
| 16:13.07 | George- | noda: he won't ignore you, trust me, I've pestered him a *lot* in the past |
| 16:13.13 | Harlekin | binary are not prelinkable |
| 16:13.16 | noda | lol, I think I must be reaching his limit :P |
| 16:13.26 | kergoth | Harlekin: ? |
| 16:13.34 | Harlekin | kergoth: or does it |
| 16:13.52 | George- | kergoth: can I put a toolchain on the OZ site? :) |
| 16:13.54 | kergoth | Harlekin: my gcc3 toolchain has been working fine. there were a couple bugs with certain libs being built without -fPIC, but thats fixed |
| 16:14.03 | kergoth | Harlekin: then there was a bug witth us using g++ to link in qmake |
| 16:14.14 | kergoth | Harlekin: so libstdc++.a got linked into the libqpe, which b0rked prelink again |
| 16:14.26 | kergoth | Harlekin: but it should be working now. havent tested. note none of these probs were toolchain related |
| 16:14.39 | kergoth | Harlekin: one thing though, this toolchain only has a static libstdc++, not shared. have to add that. |
| 16:14.54 | noda | How big is libstdc++? |
| 16:18.11 | benmeyer | ah you got prelink to work? |
| 16:18.46 | kergoth | benmeyer: it prelinked all teh libs, never had a chance to test the binaries after fixing that last issue |
| 16:19.46 | benmeyer | cool non-less |
| 16:19.57 | benmeyer | how much size is lost via prelink? |
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| 16:26.16 | Harlekin | benmeyer: nothing to do with size |
| 16:26.23 | Harlekin | benmeyer: its about relocations |
| 16:27.30 | benmeyer | yah, but it modifies the libraries, thus the size would probably change and I was curius if it was for good/bad/doesn't change |
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| 16:41.35 | troffasky | Johnmcl7: wouldn't believe everything that stock indicator says |
| 16:42.35 | Johnmcl7 | Why? |
| 16:42.41 | Johnmcl7 | For better or worse? |
| 16:42.51 | troffasky | well one page says 53, other says 20-odd |
| 16:43.13 | troffasky | even after multiple refreshes |
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| 16:43.19 | Johnmcl7 | Well, I've ordered it now |
| 16:43.30 | troffasky | the girl on the phone said they were in stock though so I'm not worried |
| 16:43.53 | Johnmcl7 | I'll just have to see what happens |
| 16:44.06 | Johnmcl7 | I don't have a wireless network in my flat yet though :/ |
| 16:44.21 | troffasky | I just bought one ;-) |
| 16:44.24 | Johnmcl7 | Cool |
| 16:44.30 | Johnmcl7 | We can suffer together if it doesn't work! |
| 16:44.34 | troffasky | lol! |
| 16:45.12 | benmeyer | http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/system/tablet/FIC/SlateVision/franklin.jpg |
| 16:45.30 | benmeyer | ther is a calender program :-D |
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| 16:57.52 | Johnmcl7 | Does anyone here use their Zaurus over IR with a Windows PC? |
| 16:59.17 | ljp_work | whats a windows pc? |
| 16:59.30 | Johnmcl7 | Haha... |
| 16:59.52 | tux_mike | ljp: its where you put an acrylic window in the side of your case so you can see the machine runnign linux :) |
| 16:59.58 | troffasky | i've used IR with my Psion |
| 17:00.00 | troffasky | lol |
| 17:00.06 | ljp_work | hehehe |
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| 17:00.10 | Johnmcl7 | I can't get my PC to transfer files to the Zaurus over IR |
| 17:00.14 | ljp_work | and chromed side pipes? |
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| 17:00.53 | tux_mike | ljp: naturally |
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| 17:03.46 | troffasky | Johnmcl7: http://www.frars.org.uk/cgi-bin/render.pl?pageid=999999 best WIFI page I've ever seen |
| 17:04.28 | Johnmcl7 | Thanks |
| 17:04.37 | Johnmcl7 | 9 past 5...I'm finished work, woohoo! |
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| 17:53.23 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:53.27 | kergoth | irc is dead toay |
| 17:53.29 | kergoth | today |
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| 18:15.31 | troffasky|making | kergoth: was buzzin between 2and4 |
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| 18:19.37 | BigBoss | hey all |
| 18:19.51 | troffasky | "all" seem to be asleep |
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| 18:20.43 | kergoth | yeah freenode seems kinda dead today |
| 18:23.28 | BigBoss | oh well |
| 18:27.45 | tux_mike | ack. my desk is getting too messy |
| 18:28.01 | BigBoss | you should see my floor - all the discrete piles of 'stuff' is spreading |
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| 18:29.04 | benmeyer | ahhh |
| 18:29.16 | benmeyer | Nothing like a good hot lunch |
| 18:30.11 | Wintre | Good point |
| 18:30.14 | Wintre | Maybe I'll go get me one |
| 18:36.09 | spencer_Z | ben: tell jason that ill fix the forum issues later tonight |
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| 18:39.58 | kergoth | hm, i think ill go to Schlotski's deli and get one of their huge ass original sandwiches |
| 18:40.01 | kergoth | good shit |
| 18:40.01 | kergoth | hey oGMo |
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| 18:40.16 | oGMo | hey kergoth |
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| 18:46.15 | Shayde | hey folks. i'm getting ready to start writing a Java app that'll run in evm on the Zaurus. am i totally limited to basic Java 1.1 classes, with awt? or is there a spec somewhere that'll let me hit qtopia widgets as well? (and if i do that, can i make the app portable enough to be able to run on ipaqs and pc's?) |
| 18:46.51 | kergoth | ibot: java faq |
| 18:46.57 | kergoth | ibot: faq |
| 18:46.59 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:47.13 | kergoth | ibot: botsnack |
| 18:47.13 | | :) |
| 18:47.17 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 18:47.19 | Shayde | heh |
| 18:47.22 | kergoth | ibot: faq |
| 18:47.27 | kergoth | ibot hates me |
| 18:47.50 | victorvdl | ibot shoot ibot |
| 18:47.51 | sandman__ | ~insult kergoth |
| 18:47.59 | sandman__ | it works ;) |
| 18:48.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:48.14 | kergoth | ibot: die |
| 18:48.16 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 18:48.19 | kergoth | ibot: faq |
| 18:48.21 | | i heard faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or at http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html or at http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 18:48.21 | JasonNJ | kergoth: got the new initrd s? |
| 18:48.25 | kergoth | finally |
| 18:48.28 | kergoth | ~lart sandman__ |
| 18:48.30 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:48.35 | Shayde | heh. thanks kergoth. |
| 18:48.36 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah, building the feeds now |
| 18:48.53 | kergoth | Shayde: np. you want the one on adorphuye.com |
| 18:49.23 | Shayde | cool. |
| 18:49.38 | Shayde | i have the test app compiled on my WinXP machine, but its a simple moire pattern. uses basic AWT stuff. |
| 18:49.50 | Shayde | i'll move it over to make sure evm is working shortly, but after that, i wanna d more :) |
| 18:49.52 | Shayde | do more. |
| 18:50.25 | ljp_1 | slacker |
| 18:51.05 | Shayde | heh |
| 18:51.14 | Shayde | i think kergoth's done enough work. really. g'head and cave. :) |
| 18:51.26 | ljp_1 | no! he must work! |
| 18:53.38 | Shayde | man if i had an external keyboard, i'd do the 'develop on the z' thing, but i think i'd go bonkers writing code on the durned thing unless i sshed to it. which sort of defeats the purpose. :) |
| 18:54.21 | ljp_1 | plus it'd be slow compiling anythign |
| 18:54.33 | troffasky | i think an external kb defeats the purpose just as much as ssh'ing |
| 18:54.36 | ljp_1 | can always use the skiffs |
| 18:55.36 | Shayde | not at all. if it were the foldup keyboard like the ones for the palm, i'd be all ove it. |
| 18:57.11 | troffasky | careful you don't violate any patents ;-) |
| 18:59.47 | troffasky | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/27948.html |
| 19:01.53 | Shayde | hmm. i'm having a hard time finding information on a) what class libraries are available on the Zaurus, and b) how to make Qtopia calls. |
| 19:03.19 | ljp_1 | best place is to look is in the sdk's headers |
| 19:03.36 | benmeyer | Shayde: the docs come with the sdk |
| 19:03.48 | benmeyer | look in your sdk dir under /opt/ |
| 19:04.21 | Shayde | hm |
| 19:04.24 | benmeyer | http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/phones/6800/ |
| 19:04.29 | benmeyer | That design is pretty cool |
| 19:04.41 | Shayde | cute. |
| 19:04.56 | Shayde | the adorphye.com site has big holes in it :( |
| 19:05.31 | Shayde | benmeyer: thats okay, but i'm going to be doing most of my development on either my linux box or my winxp machine (both in the command line - yay Cygwin) - so i need to really know what class libs are around. |
| 19:06.29 | Twiun | Shayde: tell me of the holes, I'm tha maintainer |
| 19:06.29 | benmeyer | well the only way to know that is to read them.... I am not sure if that is what you ment to say though |
| 19:06.40 | Shayde | oh, hey twiun |
| 19:06.54 | Shayde | sec |
| 19:06.55 | Twiun | ask and I shall answer |
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| 19:07.41 | Shayde | hang on, digging. |
| 19:07.47 | Shayde | i was getting blank entries a second ago |
| 19:08.34 | Shayde | FAQ Sections->Miscellaneous->'What class libraries can I use' |
| 19:08.37 | Shayde | blank :( |
| 19:08.56 | Shayde | and |
| 19:09.08 | Shayde | 'WhatClasses am i constrained to using'? |
| 19:09.13 | Twiun | ah yes, use the subsections on the left |
| 19:09.13 | Shayde | the 2 questions i really need to knw :) |
| 19:09.26 | Shayde | AHA! |
| 19:09.26 | Twiun | I need to update the contents ;-) |
| 19:09.42 | Twiun | the menus are automatically generated |
| 19:09.48 | Twiun | the main content is handmade |
| 19:10.00 | Twiun | but that's a good point, I'll fix that |
| 19:12.48 | Shayde | thanks :) it confused me |
| 19:12.58 | Twiun | hehe, no worries - those should be fixed now |
| 19:13.38 | Shayde | hmm |
| 19:13.41 | Twiun | do let me know if you find other problems, or if you have other questions |
| 19:13.59 | Shayde | any suggestions for which GUI toolkit to use? |
| 19:14.15 | Twiun | the really only standard one is pure AWT |
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| 19:14.52 | Twiun | the others don't use standard methods for providing components |
| 19:15.12 | Twiun | with Lwvcl being really hard to understand (poor documentation atm) |
| 19:15.29 | Shayde | yeah, but its okay if i combine the tookit with the distribution of the app, so no matter what platform i run on, i'l have a similar toolkit |
| 19:15.43 | Shayde | i'm lookint at zaval now |
| 19:15.56 | Twiun | yup |
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| 19:16.40 | Twiun | as for qt bindings, there's the kdejava ones, but those are straight Qt<->java bindings, 1to1 class relationships |
| 19:17.04 | Twiun | I'm working on an OSS qtawt binding atm |
| 19:17.14 | Shayde | Hmm. last i lookd at the KDEjava ones they were very poorly documented :( |
| 19:17.19 | Twiun | so things like maximised frames will finally be truly possible |
| 19:17.37 | Shayde | would that class lib work for running on the Zaurus? that would also be a problem when i want to run the app on a windows machine or an ipaq or the like |
| 19:17.48 | Shayde | i think i'll have to use an on-top-of-awt toolkit |
| 19:17.58 | Twiun | I've tested the zaval one on the Z, it works |
| 19:18.09 | Twiun | actually all of them do |
| 19:18.25 | Shayde | *nod* theres no reason they sholdn't work, if theyr'e all just on top of awt. |
| 19:18.30 | Twiun | but some aren't particularly performant or careful with memory |
| 19:18.35 | Shayde | thinlet looks nice. |
| 19:18.45 | Shayde | but the comment is 'slow' |
| 19:18.48 | Shayde | is that still the case? |
| 19:18.49 | Twiun | thinlet is optimised purely for class size (24k) |
| 19:18.57 | Twiun | it's dog slow on the Z |
| 19:19.03 | Twiun | almost as bad as Swing |
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| 19:19.18 | Twiun | but it's a nice concept |
| 19:19.19 | Shayde | rats. |
| 19:19.22 | Shayde | :( :( |
| 19:19.50 | Shayde | i should try it just to see. |
| 19:19.52 | phoen][x | aloha guys |
| 19:20.15 | phoen][x | btw, are there any release plans for oz3.1 |
| 19:20.22 | Twiun | go for it ;-) |
| 19:20.29 | Shayde | heh |
| 19:20.41 | Twiun | phoen][x: ask in #openzaurus ;-) |
| 19:20.59 | Shayde | mmm. i dont need to ipkg this, i can copy the class libs, set CLASSPATH, build my caller app, move the class, and run it via evm... *thinks* |
| 19:21.08 | Twiun | yup |
| 19:21.10 | phoen][x | heh, lol. nah i read that it'll be out in a few days (the post was from the 12th december though) - it's most likely a hoax is it not? |
| 19:21.13 | Twiun | you can do all this manually |
| 19:21.25 | Shayde | whoah |
| 19:21.26 | Twiun | phoen][x: not a hoax, but dates do slip |
| 19:21.28 | Shayde | yes, i know |
| 19:21.37 | Shayde | thinlet uses xml to define component layouts? |
| 19:21.43 | Twiun | yup |
| 19:21.48 | Shayde | funky. |
| 19:22.00 | Twiun | and component hierarchies are switch statements in the code |
| 19:22.04 | phoen][x | Twiun: because there are quite some issues with oz3 on my Z and i wonder if i should fall back to the sharp rom |
| 19:22.05 | Twiun | no inheritance |
| 19:22.09 | Shayde | interesting. |
| 19:22.19 | Twiun | it's the GOD class thing |
| 19:22.43 | Twiun | phoen][x: it's always a personal thing - #openzaurus really is the place to discuss it though |
| 19:23.06 | phoen][x | Twiun: yessir :) |
| 19:23.11 | Shayde | </nietzhe> or however its spelled |
| 19:23.42 | Twiun | one Class to code them, one Class to read them and one Class to bind them all in darkness |
| 19:23.50 | Shayde | heh |
| 19:23.54 | Twiun | it's a novel gui approach |
| 19:30.21 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.23 | benmeyer | hahah |
| 19:31.28 | Twiun | lol |
| 19:32.24 | Shayde | heh |
| 19:32.32 | Shayde | (this is sourceforge i take it?) |
| 19:32.55 | erikd | yeah |
| 19:33.04 | erikd | i read that, too :) |
| 19:38.28 | Twiun | hehe |
| 19:38.40 | Twiun | javac -target 1.1 right? |
| 19:38.53 | Shayde | uhh |
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| 19:39.05 | Shayde | no, i let it throw deprecation warnings |
| 19:39.28 | Twiun | what jdk are you using? |
| 19:40.08 | Shayde | 1.4.0._01 |
| 19:41.08 | SillyZ_ | err image |
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| 19:41.24 | Shayde | hmm |
| 19:43.03 | Neo|Work | my eyes are all fscked up, partially because of lasik surgery that I never should have had |
| 19:43.28 | erikd | i want to get that |
| 19:43.31 | Neo|Work | and although I'll try, I doubt i can sue anyone at this point (too late) because all involved are no longer around (as businesses at least) |
| 19:43.50 | Shayde | hmm. moving Thinlet.class to my working dir, export CLASSPATH=`pwd`; javac Demo.java produces rafts of errors :( |
| 19:43.54 | Neo|Work | erikd: strong suggestion: don't ever consider a low cost alterative. |
| 19:43.55 | Neo|Work | ever |
| 19:43.58 | erikd | actually, i don't really need it |
| 19:44.00 | Shayde | i hate working under windows sometimes. :( |
| 19:44.01 | erikd | heh |
| 19:44.03 | erikd | ok :) |
| 19:44.11 | erikd | i'm using those extended wear contacts now |
| 19:44.55 | Neo|Work | apparently, and this is something I didn't know until recently, they don't have actual Eye MD's doing pre/post op but rather normal optitritians (or however the heck you spell it) |
| 19:44.59 | Twiun | Shayde: java 1.4 has a different class file format version |
| 19:45.11 | Twiun | Shayde: compile using jdk1.1 or use -target 1.1 for javac |
| 19:45.24 | Neo|Work | I had a preexisting condition which should immediately have excluded me, yet they told me me that I was a perfect candidate |
| 19:45.38 | erikd | ah |
| 19:45.56 | Shayde | hmm. well, both are being compiled by the 1.4 compiler |
| 19:45.59 | Shayde | but lemme try it. |
| 19:46.01 | Neo|Work | needless to say, my eyes are bad now. the main issue that it's more or less uncorrectable |
| 19:46.11 | erikd | how bad? |
| 19:46.15 | Neo|Work | before I had 20/20 and 20/30 corrected vision (much worse uncorrected but..). |
| 19:46.22 | Twiun | Shayde: ahh, sorry I meant if you wanted to use the compiled classes with Jeode |
| 19:46.23 | erikd | that's one of the worries i have |
| 19:46.26 | Neo|Work | today I have 20/40 20/100 or something along those lines |
| 19:46.36 | erikd | if someone fscks it up then you're screwed =/ |
| 19:46.44 | Shayde | yah, not yet. |
| 19:46.53 | Neo|Work | and the only way to correct it is via special _hard_ lenses (which are not only hard to fit but also cost like $1000 a pair and well, they are hard lenses) |
| 19:46.54 | Shayde | i downloaded thinlet.zip, which is just source, so i compiled my own |
| 19:47.26 | Neo|Work | Apparently I COULD have sued which I stupidly enough didn't do |
| 19:47.49 | erikd | don't they have you sign something that says you can't? |
| 19:47.52 | Neo|Work | at least three others sued them (two of them would have been excluded completely if they had had adequate pre-screening) |
| 19:47.56 | Neo|Work | and they settled for $200k |
| 19:48.09 | Neo|Work | they do but apparently it was overruled |
| 19:48.18 | erikd | ah |
| 19:48.52 | Neo|Work | just because there wasn't adequate pre/postop care and because they made the "informed consent" be mostly uninformed |
| 19:49.10 | Neo|Work | they were, to me, overly positive and glossed over all the risks saying "nah, it never happen blah blah" |
| 19:49.30 | erikd | how much did you pay? |
| 19:49.48 | erikd | there's somewhere around here that does it for $2k |
| 19:49.54 | erikd | 1 per eye |
| 19:50.03 | Neo|Work | $1000 or so |
| 19:50.12 | Neo|Work | and I honestly don't remember if it was total or per eye |
| 19:50.34 | Neo|Work | too cheap, costs they apparently partially saved by not having MD's take care of post op etc |
| 19:50.35 | Shayde | Twiun: still about? |
| 19:50.39 | Shayde | [Administrator@BUCCANEER]:~/zaurus/thinlet/tmp$ export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:. |
| 19:50.39 | Shayde | [Administrator@BUCCANEER]:~/zaurus/thinlet/tmp$ javac -target 1.1 Demo.java |
| 19:50.39 | Shayde | Demo.java:9: package thinlet does not exist |
| 19:50.39 | Shayde | import thinlet.*; |
| 19:50.39 | Shayde | ^ |
| 19:50.41 | Shayde | Demo.java:14: cannot resolve symbol |
| 19:50.41 | erikd | well, it'll be awhile before i can afford it :) |
| 19:50.48 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=785 |
| 19:50.51 | Shayde | thinlet.class is in the current dir |
| 19:51.10 | Neo|Work | also consider the newer alterative where they insert a ring around the eye |
| 19:51.31 | Neo|Work | benefits include that it's reversible and that it can be adjusted later relatively easy (if your prescription changes) |
| 19:51.32 | erikd | shayde: on javac i had to set the class path, too. don't remember what the switch was for it, though |
| 19:51.39 | Shayde | oh? |
| 19:51.41 | Neo|Work | also it doesn't actually deform the eye so it has less risks |
| 19:51.43 | Shayde | --classpath= |
| 19:51.45 | erikd | yeah |
| 19:51.48 | erikd | try that |
| 19:51.52 | erikd | to ./ |
| 19:52.05 | Twiun | Shayde: there's also something else... the thinlet class is thinlet.Thinlet |
| 19:52.12 | erikd | neo: i read about that one. thing i'd be afraid of is it putting too much pressure on the eye |
| 19:52.13 | Twiun | so try sticking the class in the thinlet subdir |
| 19:52.18 | Shayde | ah |
| 19:52.33 | Neo|Work | anyway, enough whining |
| 19:52.51 | erikd | err, hah |
| 19:52.51 | Neo|Work | I'm fscked and now I have to live with ti... |
| 19:52.56 | Shayde | nope |
| 19:52.58 | erikd | shayde: i misread what you said :) |
| 19:53.14 | Shayde | heh |
| 19:53.24 | Shayde | oh. hm |
| 19:55.06 | KotH_ | konban wa |
| 19:56.28 | Shayde | dammit |
| 19:56.53 | Twiun | Shayde: it does work, honest ;-) |
| 19:57.07 | Shayde | uh huh :) |
| 19:57.14 | Shayde | this is Ye Ole Java Classpath problem, i'm sure. |
| 19:57.20 | Twiun | quite likely |
| 19:57.23 | Shayde | did you just compile thinlet.java into thinlet.class and copy that over? |
| 19:57.58 | Shayde | actually, hodl that though. |
| 19:57.58 | Twiun | I just did javac -target 1.1 `find . -name '*.java'` |
| 19:58.03 | Shayde | i'm being kicked out of my office :) |
| 19:58.05 | Shayde | bbiafew. |
| 19:58.06 | Twiun | lol |
| 20:02.21 | kergoth | that was an easy meeting |
| 20:03.01 | Bovine | what no blood on the carpet? |
| 20:04.42 | kergoth | didnt even have any time to play any games on my Z! |
| 20:05.12 | Twiun[dinner] | kergoth: it wasn't a "thank you for your services" kind of meeting was it? |
| 20:05.31 | kergoth | Twiun[dinner]: hah, i wish :P |
| 20:05.41 | kergoth | Twiun[dinner]: it was a 'hm, did you have anything to say? no.. you? no." |
| 20:05.44 | kergoth | Twiun[dinner]: kind of meeting |
| 20:06.20 | Twiun[dinner] | Ah, yes, I know them well |
| 20:07.13 | treke|laptop | qt-designer needs a qpe preview mode |
| 20:07.33 | numatrix | treke|laptop: Doesn't it have one? |
| 20:07.49 | treke|laptop | numatrix: nope |
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| 20:10.13 | Titeuf | hi |
| 20:10.56 | treke|laptop | makes doing layouts a bit more of a pain |
| 20:11.30 | numatrix | treke|laptop: For sure. It'd be especially nice if it could simulate a running qtopia with the taskbar. |
| 20:13.34 | benmeyer | http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Sharp+27%22 |
| 20:13.36 | benmeyer | sweet |
| 20:14.04 | kergoth | benmeyer: woa |
| 20:14.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:14.38 | treke|laptop | cool |
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| 20:19.40 | benmeyer | http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Zaurus |
| 20:19.41 | benmeyer | hehe |
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| 20:22.39 | benmeyer | haha: http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Autobots |
| 20:22.46 | benmeyer | what a cool search engine |
| 20:24.38 | benmeyer | hehe when you are really streching for a pda app you can come up with junk like: http://store.yahoo.com/pilotgearsw/mytrantranto.html |
| 20:26.10 | benmeyer | Man $64 for ->http://actionfiguresbygofigure.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product909.html He was $21 at toys-r-us a few months ago (I wish I had stocked up...) |
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| 20:28.50 | George- | hello |
| 20:28.54 | benmeyer | hey there |
| 20:29.10 | George- | benmeyer: did you hear? I uploaded my HTML editor to handango |
| 20:29.20 | George- | benmeyer: I came back from the dead :) |
| 20:29.58 | benmeyer | cool |
| 20:32.37 | Junxster | are there any IP or IR enabled shared whiteboard apps for the Z/OZ? |
| 20:32.56 | benmeyer | yah |
| 20:33.01 | benmeyer | tkcWhiteboard |
| 20:33.09 | benmeyer | runs over jabber |
| 20:33.18 | Junxster | really? that rocks. thanx. |
| 20:33.31 | George- | It costs money though |
| 20:33.32 | George- | =P |
| 20:34.47 | sjohnson | froogle.google.com?!? God, what a name |
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| 20:35.26 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 20:36.18 | George- | rofl |
| 20:37.19 | George- | 8. Froogle? What kind of name is that anyway? And who's "Beta"? |
| 20:37.19 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.19 | George- | Froogle is a play on the word "frugal," meaning thrifty, and the name "Google," which has come to stand for excellence in search technology. "Google" is itself a play on the word "googol," which is the term for the number 1 followed by 100 zeroes. So you might say "Froogle" is a play within a play. "Beta" is geek speak for a pilot program or test version of a product. It means that the Froogle you see today is likely to evolve and improve o |
| 20:37.19 | George- | ime. You can help with that process by sending your suggestions to froogle-support@google.com. |
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| 20:41.35 | treke|laptop | If your interested in Linux Game Publishings next port, it's going to be announced in #lgp soon |
| 20:41.48 | George- | ? |
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| 20:46.17 | benmeyer | Anyone seen the microsoft webpad game? |
| 20:46.30 | treke|laptop | the reboot game? |
| 20:46.39 | kolla | webpad? sounds icky :) |
| 20:46.51 | benmeyer | balls bounce and you have to draw lines that they bounce off of and go into holes |
| 20:47.01 | benmeyer | when they hit a line the line disapears |
| 20:47.16 | benmeyer | lnkBall they call it |
| 20:47.47 | benmeyer | http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/system/tablet/FIC/SlateVision/inkball_sm.gif |
| 20:48.24 | benmeyer | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/tabletpc/images/evaluation/overviews/img_inkball.jpg |
| 20:49.06 | benmeyer | nifty idea |
| 20:49.12 | kolla | I rather have a decent pinball :) |
| 20:49.19 | benmeyer | Not many games take advantage of the screen like that |
| 20:49.41 | benmeyer | like the ability to play doom with just the cursor |
| 20:49.44 | benmeyer | that would be cool |
| 20:49.46 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 20:50.51 | numatrix | benmeyer: definitely; be a good zaurus game. |
| 20:51.17 | kolla | there's one game I really like... spaceship stands still in the middle of the screen and the "world" moves around.. you meet asteroids, enemy ships, canon stations etc.. the point of each level is to blast out everything :) |
| 20:51.47 | oGMo | iqnotes really rocks |
| 20:51.51 | kolla | as you gain points you can spend them on better guns, speed, movability, etc etc |
| 20:52.09 | numatrix | kolla: what's the name of the game? |
| 20:52.16 | kolla | transplant on amiga |
| 20:52.30 | kolla | it's on aminet.. if you have an A500 spare somewhere :) |
| 20:53.07 | numatrix | kolla: Fraid not. There was some speculation for a while that amiga would be working with the zaurus, but alas it was not to be. |
| 20:53.24 | kolla | yes, the DE stuff |
| 20:53.33 | kolla | well, this is old amiga game |
| 20:53.40 | kolla | works under UAE I guess |
| 20:54.14 | numatrix | kolla: There you go, you might be able to get it going after all. |
| 20:54.31 | kolla | yes |
| 20:55.01 | kolla | I suspect it will be too slow, worth a try though |
| 20:55.31 | kolla | how well does the zaurus display perform when it comes to scrolling? |
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| 21:08.24 | ZzzGogo | heyas... |
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| 21:08.52 | Laze | Anybody know how to setup streaming in XMMS through XMMS? |
| 21:09.03 | NoRemorse | command line? |
| 21:09.16 | Laze | Ooop, Through a proxy of course. |
| 21:09.23 | NoRemorse | hmm |
| 21:09.37 | ZzzGogo | somehow i am not able to install the konq... :( does anyone have the opera ipk handy? |
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| 21:12.50 | numatrix | ZzzGogo: on OZ or sharp? |
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| 21:24.16 | ZzzGogo | re |
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| 21:24.40 | NetAmp | kergoth is da man |
| 21:24.53 | NetAmp | I saw the CF bug is fixed ;p0 |
| 21:24.57 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 21:25.11 | kergoth | NetAmp: which one? it didnt belong in opie's bts regardless |
| 21:25.12 | kergoth | NetAmp: heh |
| 21:25.16 | NetAmp | Any other hot news? |
| 21:25.18 | kergoth | i'm cleaing up in the bts |
| 21:25.30 | NetAmp | haha which one are there so many :P |
| 21:25.30 | kergoth | 3.1rc1 is b0rked, working on fixing it so i can release it properly |
| 21:25.31 | NetAmp | oh |
| 21:25.31 | NetAmp | well |
| 21:25.39 | NetAmp | I got an E-mail that it was resolved |
| 21:25.54 | NetAmp | suspend stuff |
| 21:26.19 | NetAmp | oh well doesn't really matter we'll see in the next release :) |
| 21:27.11 | NoRemorse | hey guys I backed up my data using the (working) opie-backup, and when I restored onto a fresh OZ3.0 the apps I had installed onto SD dont show up in the tabs is this a known bug? |
| 21:28.40 | ZzzGogo | i guess not everything gets installed on sd... |
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| 21:31.08 | numatrix | NoRemorse: you need to use ipkg-link to restore the links. |
| 21:31.26 | NoRemorse | only if u specify SD as target |
| 21:31.33 | NoRemorse | ah thanks numatrix |
| 21:31.43 | numatrix | NoRemorse: the backup backs up user data, but doesnt back up program icons. NoRemorse: exactly; you need to specify where to rebuild the links from. |
| 21:31.52 | numatrix | NoRemorse: no problem |
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| 21:37.07 | NetAmp | lalala jinglebells |
| 21:37.18 | NetAmp | hm bit too early I guess huh :P |
| 21:37.34 | NetAmp | I'm gonna theme my OZ christmas-style ;) |
| 21:37.52 | ljp_work | jingle bells. batman smell. robin laid an egg. batmobile lost its wheel and joker got away! hey! |
| 21:38.00 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 21:38.04 | ljp_work | smells |
| 21:38.33 | ljp_work | I need to quit typing |
| 21:38.39 | NetAmp | haha |
| 21:38.51 | NetAmp | shall we voice chat then? |
| 21:38.57 | NetAmp | More like Voice Conference |
| 21:39.13 | NetAmp | we just need to all say "over" or something |
| 21:39.19 | NetAmp | or it'll get reallllly chaotic :P |
| 21:39.35 | kergoth | ~lart NetAmp |
| 21:39.35 | ljp_work | heh try a tts for irc.. man sometimes that would be really annoying |
| 21:39.38 | kergoth | over |
| 21:39.42 | kergoth | i'm bored |
| 21:39.42 | kergoth | over |
| 21:39.52 | ljp_work | bored schmored |
| 21:39.59 | kergoth | schmored? |
| 21:40.00 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:40.01 | NoRemorse | go figure this! |
| 21:40.02 | NoRemorse | # ipkg install opera_1.0.0_arm.ipk |
| 21:40.03 | NoRemorse | Installing opera (1.0.0) |
| 21:40.03 | NoRemorse | Configuring opera...Done |
| 21:40.03 | NoRemorse | # |
| 21:40.03 | NoRemorse | # ipkg remove opera_1.0.0_arm.ipk |
| 21:40.03 | ljp_work | sing christmas songs |
| 21:40.04 | NoRemorse | Package opera_1.0.0_arm.ipk is not installed. |
| 21:40.08 | NoRemorse | ???!?! |
| 21:40.11 | kergoth | NoRemorse: you dont remove an ipk filename. rtfm. |
| 21:40.15 | kergoth | NoRemorse: ipkg remove opera |
| 21:40.16 | ljp_work | haha |
| 21:40.22 | NoRemorse | I STUPIDLY installed it to root now I have 1MB free :( |
| 21:40.22 | kergoth | ~lart NoRemorse |
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| 21:40.32 | NoRemorse | oh hehe thanks kergoth |
| 21:40.45 | kergoth | NoRemorse: ipkg --help |
| 21:40.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:40.56 | NoRemorse | phew 3.6MB free again :) |
| 21:41.16 | ZzzGogo | noremorse.... it installed with some errors... but wont start... :( |
| 21:41.16 | NoRemorse | yeah kergoth I did that but i wasnt obvious, first time I have had to remove a pkg |
| 21:41.27 | George- | hey kergoth |
| 21:41.29 | NoRemorse | ZzzGogo might be corrupt? |
| 21:41.38 | ZzzGogo | seems like |
| 21:41.41 | NoRemorse | make sure it is the full filesize? |
| 21:42.01 | NoRemorse | but it worked fine for me, are you on OZ or sharp rom? |
| 21:42.10 | NoRemorse | I assume OZ otherwise you wouldnt want it :) |
| 21:42.10 | ZzzGogo | oz |
| 21:42.14 | George- | ~lart kergoth |
| 21:42.29 | NetAmp | BFG9000 kicks ass |
| 21:42.33 | NoRemorse | well you could always do what I did, backup, put sharp rom back, and package up opera |
| 21:42.43 | NetAmp | I want a BFG9000 from Santa |
| 21:42.46 | George- | lol |
| 21:42.50 | kergoth | ~rlart |
| 21:42.54 | kergoth | random wanton destruction! |
| 21:42.55 | ZzzGogo | no i camt... dont have a cf anymore.... |
| 21:42.57 | kergoth | ~rlart |
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| 21:43.14 | NoRemorse | A z, OZ, and no cF? hmm.. trouble :) |
| 21:43.29 | ZzzGogo | hmmm... |
| 21:43.40 | ZzzGogo | nothings working anymore... |
| 21:43.43 | ZzzGogo | i hate it |
| 21:44.03 | NetAmp | hah lol |
| 21:44.06 | NoRemorse | u got a sd? |
| 21:44.08 | NetAmp | kergoth IS bored ;) |
| 21:44.10 | NetAmp | ghhee |
| 21:44.12 | kergoth | ~rlart |
| 21:44.14 | George- | ~shoot kergoth |
| 21:44.15 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 21:44.18 | kergoth | ~die |
| 21:44.18 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 21:44.25 | NetAmp | kergoth: you could try playing Tux Racer for a while :P |
| 21:44.33 | NetAmp | (or port it even *grin*) |
| 21:44.35 | kergoth | NetAmp: nah, sfcave on the Z works for me |
| 21:44.43 | NetAmp | cool |
| 21:44.45 | George- | LOLO |
| 21:44.46 | NetAmp | do that then ;) |
| 21:44.49 | kergoth | grr |
| 21:44.50 | George- | sfcave? |
| 21:44.51 | NetAmp | have fun |
| 21:44.54 | NoRemorse | oh now I am confused, I install opera with -d sd and I have 1MB free on root again?! |
| 21:44.55 | kergoth | oz 3.1rc1 is still b0rked |
| 21:44.56 | George- | ibot sfcave |
| 21:44.56 | | George-: no idea |
| 21:45.10 | kergoth | George-: new game in opie by the author of aqpkg |
| 21:45.14 | George- | wtf is sfcave |
| 21:45.19 | George- | ibot search google for sfcave |
| 21:45.19 | benmeyer | hehe, can't turn rc1 off |
| 21:45.26 | kergoth | ibot: zsi sfcave |
| 21:45.31 | George- | kergoth: GPL? |
| 21:45.32 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 21:45.34 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:45.43 | benmeyer | you get the the calibrate screen and then you can't do anything. Wonder why |
| 21:45.50 | kergoth | benmeyer: its odd. |
| 21:46.00 | kergoth | benmeyer: sharp_ts exists |
| 21:46.05 | kergoth | benmeyer: ts -> sharp_ts symlink exists |
| 21:46.11 | ZzzGogo | i have sd |
| 21:46.23 | George- | kergoth: oh yeh,. well done on releasing OZ 3.0 :) |
| 21:46.23 | George- | kergoth: I haven't seen you for *that* long :) |
| 21:46.23 | NoRemorse | can u flash rom from sd instead of cf ? |
| 21:46.26 | benmeyer | kergoth: it is like it doesn't have the control of the process |
| 21:46.33 | benmeyer | key functions don't work ether |
| 21:46.37 | benmeyer | not just the touch screen |
| 21:46.43 | kergoth | benmeyer: well, keyboard never did anything in calibrate, did it? |
| 21:46.47 | ZzzGogo | dunno |
| 21:46.49 | benmeyer | i.e. hitting cancel to turn off the device doesn't work |
| 21:47.06 | kergoth | thats fucking weird. |
| 21:47.17 | ZzzGogo | ill just leave it that way and flash the whole thing in sunday ;) |
| 21:47.20 | NoRemorse | does anyone know if the rom can be flashed from sd instead of cf please? |
| 21:47.21 | George- | Language |
| 21:47.21 | benmeyer | had to reset and then turn it off while booting |
| 21:47.28 | George- | ~lart kergoth |
| 21:47.30 | benmeyer | NoRemorse: nope |
| 21:47.30 | NoRemorse | ok ZzzGogo u getting a cf then? |
| 21:47.31 | George- | :) |
| 21:47.37 | kergoth | really fucking weird |
| 21:47.39 | NoRemorse | thanks benmeyer |
| 21:47.39 | kergoth | NoRemorse: RTFM. |
| 21:47.45 | kergoth | NoRemorse: thats in the faq |
| 21:48.01 | NoRemorse | kergoth: tell ZzzGogo it was for his benefit |
| 21:48.01 | ZzzGogo | jo.... i am at my parents for the week end and the cf is at home... |
| 21:48.10 | kergoth | NoRemorse: who cares whose benefit its for? |
| 21:48.13 | NoRemorse | I aint gonna rftm for someone else |
| 21:48.25 | kergoth | then dont waste my time with their questions |
| 21:48.26 | benmeyer | http://people.debian.org/~walters/descriptions.html |
| 21:48.27 | kergoth | let them ask them |
| 21:48.30 | benmeyer | Developers read ^ |
| 21:48.36 | NoRemorse | ok replace my question with "zzzgogo go and rtfm" |
| 21:48.41 | ZzzGogo | cant surf the faq dont have webbrowser :) |
| 21:48.47 | ZzzGogo | gosh |
| 21:48.48 | George- | kergoth: uhm.. are you stressed out? :) |
| 21:48.55 | NoRemorse | well i aint gonna surf for you |
| 21:48.59 | kergoth | George-: no more than usual |
| 21:49.20 | George- | kergoth: then you are :) |
| 21:49.28 | NoRemorse | I allready helped you enough ZzzGogo and you got kergoth shitty with me again |
| 21:49.45 | kergoth | NoRemorse: ? |
| 21:49.49 | kergoth | oh dood |
| 21:49.50 | NoRemorse | :) |
| 21:49.53 | kergoth | me telling you to rtfm isnt personal |
| 21:49.55 | ZzzGogo | no: wtf??? |
| 21:49.57 | kergoth | dont take it personal |
| 21:49.58 | George- | NoRemorse: he's always like that :) |
| 21:50.02 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 21:50.04 | kergoth | ibot: emulate kergoth |
| 21:50.04 | | ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM. |
| 21:50.04 | NoRemorse | thats cool |
| 21:50.06 | kergoth | ^^see |
| 21:50.16 | NoRemorse | hehehe |
| 21:50.25 | George- | LOL |
| 21:50.44 | NoRemorse | bbs gotta ry and get opera to install on sd instead of root |
| 21:50.50 | NoRemorse | +t |
| 21:51.47 | benmeyer | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/pornview.html |
| 21:51.48 | benmeyer | hahahaha |
| 21:51.56 | benmeyer | lideshows allow for unattended presentation of images for hands-free viewing. Pornview is written using GTK+. |
| 21:52.12 | ZzzGogo | lol |
| 21:52.59 | ZzzGogo | ciao |
| 21:53.19 | George- | benmeyer: rofl |
| 21:54.30 | NetAmp | Port it! |
| 21:54.33 | NetAmp | ideal for Z |
| 21:54.38 | George- | ROFL |
| 21:54.55 | George- | NetAmp: pervert! |
| 21:55.13 | kergoth | George-: and? |
| 21:55.34 | George- | kergoth: Where's the any key?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?! |
| 21:55.42 | kergoth | George-: up your ass |
| 21:55.46 | George- | lol |
| 21:55.52 | George- | PEBKAC :) |
| 21:56.20 | George- | Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair |
| 21:58.47 | benmeyer | me goes home for soup. |
| 21:59.00 | benmeyer | nothing like soup to help a cold |
| 21:59.05 | kergoth | AHHHH! |
| 21:59.24 | George- | kergoth: The touch screen on my Z dont work, and the screen has "Zaurus" printed in the middle of it.. all the time, and it's frosty!!!! |
| 21:59.34 | George- | kergoth: I want a REFUND!!! |
| 21:59.55 | kergoth | George-: dood, dont fuck with me today |
| 21:59.56 | NetAmp | reBOOT |
| 21:59.59 | kergoth | George-: this isnt a good day |
| 22:00.06 | George- | kergoth: Oh... sorry |
| 22:00.16 | George- | kergoth: It was only a joke... |
| 22:00.23 | George- | (and it's not monday :)( |
| 22:00.27 | kergoth | its a monday for me |
| 22:00.30 | kergoth | its a MONDAY |
| 22:00.32 | kergoth | even tho its not monday |
| 22:00.38 | NoRemorse | a star next to an installed package in AQPKg means it has a newer version available? |
| 22:00.40 | George- | lol |
| 22:00.44 | kergoth | NoRemorse: yes |
| 22:00.51 | kergoth | George-: trying to release oz3.1rc1 |
| 22:00.58 | NoRemorse | ta kergoth |
| 22:01.02 | George- | kergoth: kewl :))) |
| 22:01.02 | kergoth | George-: but the touchscreen is b0rked, you get hung up at the calibrate screen, unable to calibrate. |
| 22:01.08 | kergoth | and its driving me nuts |
| 22:01.16 | George- | kergoth: you're great, ya know :) |
| 22:01.29 | NoRemorse | hmm "upgrade all things with a newer version" would be cool |
| 22:01.51 | George- | NoRemorse: ipkg upgrade |
| 22:02.06 | NoRemorse | thanks George- |
| 22:02.09 | kergoth | NoRemorse: ipkg upgrade used to be b0rked, but it works if you're on ipkg from the unstable feed. |
| 22:02.12 | kergoth | NoRemorse: if not, dont do it. |
| 22:02.32 | NoRemorse | ok I'll upgrade it first |
| 22:02.52 | NetAmp | yawwwnnn |
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| 22:03.15 | kergoth | OZ IS THE DEVIL |
| 22:03.17 | kergoth | ! |
| 22:03.18 | George- | kergoth: ipkg upgrade is borked? |
| 22:03.21 | NetAmp | aaaaahhhhhhhhh |
| 22:03.26 | George- | NO! |
| 22:03.26 | NetAmp | MY Z IS POSSESSED!!! |
| 22:03.29 | kergoth | George-: in old ipkg versions yese |
| 22:03.30 | George- | It's DAEMON!!!!!!! |
| 22:03.35 | NetAmp | NOOOOOOOOOO |
| 22:03.39 | NoRemorse | hmm I am doing something wrong or AQPKg still has a bug, when I slect "open with AQPKg from advancedFM the package doesnt appear |
| 22:03.45 | NetAmp | You CAN'T be SERIOUS! |
| 22:03.56 | George- | NetAmp: well I am so shuddup |
| 22:03.58 | George- | :) |
| 22:04.01 | kergoth | NoRemorse: known bug |
| 22:04.08 | NoRemorse | cool |
| 22:04.14 | NoRemorse | I wont report it then :) |
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| 22:07.28 | NoRemorse | ipkg upgrade rocks :) |
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| 22:12.05 | ZzzGogo | ree |
| 22:12.14 | NoRemorse | should I close opie when doing an ipkg upgrade kergoth? |
| 22:12.18 | ZzzGogo | my Z doesn't boot anymore :((((((( |
| 22:12.20 | NoRemorse | or will it be ok>? |
| 22:12.23 | kergoth | NoRemorse: most likely, yes. |
| 22:12.27 | NoRemorse | hehe ok ta |
| 22:12.30 | kergoth | NoRemorse: you need a lot of free flash space if you do it from within opie |
| 22:13.04 | NoRemorse | I ran it from a ssh shell |
| 22:13.12 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:13.13 | kergoth | nononono |
| 22:13.18 | kergoth | its not about where you run it from |
| 22:13.20 | ZzzGogo | i hit reboot in opie shutdown menue.. now it always hangs at INIT: version 2.84 booting |
| 22:13.22 | kergoth | its about whether or not opie is running |
| 22:13.29 | NoRemorse | ah ok |
| 22:13.36 | kergoth | terminate opie |
| 22:13.43 | NoRemorse | done |
| 22:13.48 | kergoth | now go ahead |
| 22:13.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:13.53 | NoRemorse | :) |
| 22:13.58 | NoRemorse | seems to be flying along now |
| 22:14.01 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 22:14.20 | NoRemorse | keeping an eye on free space on /root it hovers between 3.8M and just over 1M |
| 22:14.29 | kergoth | cool |
| 22:14.51 | NoRemorse | so how close will a fully upgraded OZ3.0 be to 3.1rc1? |
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| 22:15.40 | ZzzGogo | does anyone have an idea what i could do? |
| 22:15.50 | NoRemorse | ZzzGogo more to the point what DID u do?! |
| 22:15.57 | NoRemorse | tgried a full reset? |
| 22:15.59 | NoRemorse | -g |
| 22:16.05 | ZzzGogo | hit reboot and see it happen |
| 22:16.19 | ZzzGogo | i tried the switch on the back |
| 22:16.27 | ZzzGogo | hangs at the same line |
| 22:16.29 | NoRemorse | you know about the "reboot without suspend bug"? it isnt just that? |
| 22:16.39 | ZzzGogo | dont know |
| 22:16.59 | NoRemorse | ok so you pressed the little switch INSIDE the battery compartment not hte slideing one outside? |
| 22:17.02 | ZzzGogo | i rebootet oz several time successfully |
| 22:17.15 | ZzzGogo | i pressed that |
| 22:17.22 | NoRemorse | oops |
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| 22:17.36 | ZzzGogo | do i have to hold it down while turning it on? |
| 22:17.37 | NoRemorse | sounds bad then you will have to wait till u get your CF :( |
| 22:17.39 | ZzzGogo | or sumeinf? |
| 22:17.42 | NoRemorse | noope |
| 22:17.45 | ZzzGogo | :((( |
| 22:17.55 | NoRemorse | just press it once. try removing battery as well |
| 22:18.18 | George- | anyone here in london? |
| 22:18.19 | ZzzGogo | how can that hapen?? didnt do anything except rebooting from within opie |
| 22:18.27 | NoRemorse | who knows |
| 22:18.43 | ult | Zzz: What error are you getting? |
| 22:18.54 | ZzzGogo | noone |
| 22:19.02 | ult | does it just hang after the logo? |
| 22:19.04 | ZzzGogo | hangs at INIT version 2.84 booting |
| 22:19.11 | ZzzGogo | exactly |
| 22:19.18 | ZzzGogo | first line of text is desplayed |
| 22:19.26 | ult | hmm, i had that problem too, but it would go away if i rebooted enough times. |
| 22:19.26 | NoRemorse | that isnt OZ for starters dood |
| 22:19.27 | ult | :) |
| 22:19.42 | kergoth | oh, did he get the reboot hang bug? |
| 22:19.47 | kergoth | reboot without suspend? |
| 22:19.53 | NoRemorse | I recon it's that |
| 22:20.19 | ZzzGogo | :( |
| 22:20.25 | NoRemorse | does the INIT 2.84 still show (briefly?!) with OZ? |
| 22:20.34 | kergoth | ZzzGogo: always suspend at least once before shutdown/reboot |
| 22:20.34 | ZzzGogo | not briefly |
| 22:20.37 | ZzzGogo | it shows |
| 22:20.44 | ZzzGogo | and keeps on showing :) |
| 22:20.45 | NoRemorse | no in general, when OZ is worjking :) |
| 22:20.51 | ZzzGogo | till the end of time i guess... |
| 22:21.09 | NoRemorse | till u get a cf anyways |
| 22:21.21 | ZzzGogo | kerg: supend, wake up and thenn hit reboot? |
| 22:21.32 | kergoth | ZzzGogo: yep. always suspend at least once |
| 22:21.37 | kergoth | ZzzGogo: this isnt oz specific, its both sharp and oz |
| 22:21.43 | kergoth | ZzzGogo: its somethign with the crap lineo kernel |
| 22:21.43 | ZzzGogo | damn i need that thing, i wont get a cf till sunday. |
| 22:22.10 | NoRemorse | try removing battery? |
| 22:22.32 | ZzzGogo | did that... yes |
| 22:23.00 | kergoth | ZzzGogo: and you tried a full reset? |
| 22:23.28 | ZzzGogo | kerg: simply hitting the button insinde once and turn it back on afterwards? yes |
| 22:23.59 | kergoth | ZzzGogo: yep |
| 22:25.20 | ZzzGogo | did it again... get the oz animation, then the INIT line.. then it hangs |
| 22:26.11 | NoRemorse | Downloading http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/opie-base_0.9.1-20021202.2_arm.ipk |
| 22:26.12 | ZzzGogo | so its not entirely brivked... its just temprarily broken .... ?! flashing again with a cf will help? i loose all my pim data though :(( |
| 22:26.22 | NoRemorse | should that one take very long? |
| 22:26.25 | kergoth | NoRemorse: yes |
| 22:26.29 | NoRemorse | thanks |
| 22:26.34 | NoRemorse | cos it is hehe |
| 22:26.36 | ult | Zz: How did you flash it the first time? |
| 22:26.37 | KotH_ | good night |
| 22:26.58 | ZzzGogo | ult: cf with oz... !? |
| 22:28.08 | ult | Zzz: Hmm, have you tried suspending it while it is at teh boot logo screen, then resuming it, then flipping the switch that locks the battery compartment? |
| 22:28.15 | ZzzGogo | guess that was it for the weekend... what about netbooting with cf card?! :)) |
| 22:28.31 | NoRemorse | I have a sneaking suspicion that every package I have installed to sd ram from command line (ie witrh -d sd) ahs gone to root. I never see the "cant link to /mnt/card" errors for starters |
| 22:28.36 | ZzzGogo | zzz... hmmm... iÄll try that |
| 22:28.49 | kergoth | NoRemorse: you wont. |
| 22:28.49 | erikd | function dispTopic2( $title, $text, $textL, $textR, $image, $imageLoc, $b ) { |
| 22:28.51 | ult | NoRemorse: I get that with about half the packages I've tried to install |
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| 22:28.55 | kergoth | NoRemorse: those errors are from symlink, not from install |
| 22:29.04 | kergoth | NoRemorse: ipkg -d doesnt symlink them, it just installs |
| 22:29.10 | NoRemorse | ah ok so only see that from AQPKg? |
| 22:29.11 | kergoth | NoRemorse: you need to ipkg-link add [packagename] to link them |
| 22:29.13 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:29.27 | NoRemorse | cooool makes sense ta |
| 22:29.36 | ZzzGogo | ult: the sliding switch or the one inside? |
| 22:29.43 | ult | Zzz: The sliding one |
| 22:29.47 | erikd | }shit |
| 22:29.51 | erikd | i -hate- putty and right clicks |
| 22:29.55 | erikd | i'm sorry to anyone i messaged :) |
| 22:30.08 | ZzzGogo | ok... then it doesnt do anything... just simply resumes i guess |
| 22:30.13 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:38.45 | George- | http://www.remodern.com/caught.html |
| 22:38.46 | George- | *wow* |
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| 22:44.17 | ZzzGogo | re |
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| 22:48.14 | NoRemorse | George- that web site is slow as all hell |
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| 22:49.31 | sheenmaster | hey |
| 22:49.46 | sheenmaster | does anyone know if those 'media converter' cf cards work w/ the zaurus? |
| 22:49.59 | sheenmaster | specifically, I need to read smartmedia cards on it |
| 22:50.11 | George- | NoRemorse: it's been slashdotted :) |
| 22:50.17 | NoRemorse | doh I didnt do an ipkg update before an ipkg upgrade |
| 22:50.44 | NoRemorse | hmm it needs to be akamaized or something |
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| 22:54.19 | George- | NoRemorse: mirror here: http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=47761&threshold=5&commentsort=0&tid=107&mode=thread&cid=4874879 |
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| 22:56.30 | NoRemorse | hehe coolta I read itallready |
| 22:56.49 | NoRemorse | one less arsehole on the streets hehe |
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| 22:59.42 | NoRemorse | heya ljp |
| 23:00.16 | NoRemorse | remember that bug with mediaplayer and the %20 in the url ? |
| 23:02.26 | ljp_work | ughh no |
| 23:02.36 | ljp_work | :) |
| 23:02.41 | ljp_work | yes, why |
| 23:03.13 | ljp_work | I am not sure if libmad canhandle that |
| 23:03.23 | NoRemorse | np |
| 23:03.44 | NoRemorse | i hacked a fix for it but it introduced other rpobs so I didnt submit it |
| 23:03.50 | ljp_work | I'll look into though. I did some work onit. but I think it vrashes in libmad |
| 23:03.59 | ljp_work | crashes |
| 23:04.07 | sheenmaster | hey! Has anyone successfully used one of those CF->SM(smartmedia) converter cards on the zaurus? |
| 23:04.26 | NoRemorse | sheenmaster were u sasking this q about 12 hours ago? |
| 23:04.40 | ljp_work | noremorse: send the patch to llornkcor@handhelds.org |
| 23:04.40 | troff|wasted | 12min I think |
| 23:04.45 | NoRemorse | ;the answer is still the same I think |
| 23:04.55 | ljp_work | I'll take a look at it. there has been a few changes in op1 |
| 23:05.04 | NoRemorse | k ljp i'd hve to find it hehe was awhile ago |
| 23:06.10 | ljp_work | ok. |
| 23:06.15 | NoRemorse | anyone know if z kernel can run MPPE encryption? |
| 23:06.25 | ljp_work | I did remove the space checks and stuff |
| 23:06.42 | NoRemorse | ljp i think thats is all I did |
| 23:07.09 | ljp_work | I traced the crash to libmad, from what I remember |
| 23:07.15 | NoRemorse | cool |
| 23:07.40 | NoRemorse | I have an ipod now so the need to stream mp3 to my z has diminished :) |
| 23:08.12 | ljp_work | ahh |
| 23:08.13 | NoRemorse | ipod= smaller than Z and has my whole cd collection at 192Kbit stored on it |
| 23:08.19 | ljp_work | nice |
| 23:08.23 | NoRemorse | very |
| 23:08.26 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 23:08.34 | Cloudchaser | how much does it hold? |
| 23:08.34 | NoRemorse | 10GB hard disk :) |
| 23:08.42 | Cloudchaser | very nice |
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| 23:09.03 | ljp_work | maybe there's a new libmad I can update op1 to |
| 23:09.27 | NoRemorse | now a hard disk like thatin z would be cool except it wouldnt have the batt life, ipod just spins the disk to get the file into ram then stops the disk again so it aint on much |
| 23:10.02 | NoRemorse | hmm how long should opie-base_ take to upgrade?! |
| 23:10.17 | sheenmaster | NoRemorse: nope, maybe 12 mins ago. |
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| 23:10.29 | troff|wasted | sheenmaster: a quick google would have found you: http://www.zyxt.org/zaurus/smartmedia.html |
| 23:10.33 | NoRemorse | ok sheenmaster some other guy was asking about 12 hours ago |
| 23:10.45 | sheenmaster | troff|wasted: I have been looking on google for a while now |
| 23:10.51 | sheenmaster | troff|wasted: I know better than to start on IRC. |
| 23:11.03 | troff|wasted | have you seen that page? |
| 23:12.20 | NoRemorse | cool, sony stick to CF now that would be handy. |
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| 23:12.57 | ZzzGogo | noremorse.... yes... i have a mem stick here :) would flash from that!! :)) |
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| 23:13.30 | NoRemorse | yeah spose! |
| 23:13.38 | NoRemorse | if you find a converter let me know :) |
| 23:16.04 | NoRemorse | http://www.pretec.com/PR/PR_PDF/PR/PR_CompactTrio_final.pdf |
| 23:16.09 | troff|wasted | sheenmaster: chill, we all do it |
| 23:19.21 | NoRemorse | cant find the damn 3-in-1 adapter on pretec tho they mention it ina press release |
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| 23:21.35 | NoRemorse | yay http://www.pretec.com/index2/product/Accessory/CompactTRIO.htm |
| 23:26.18 | George- | does it work? |
| 23:26.22 | Neo|Work | but for the Zaurus, I'd say it wouldn't |
| 23:26.32 | NoRemorse | hmm why |
| 23:26.44 | Neo|Work | unless you have some digital camera using memory stick |
| 23:27.03 | NoRemorse | why not flash? |
| 23:27.06 | Neo|Work | because 1) there's an SD port already, 2) CF for storage is cheaper than SD and MS |
| 23:27.28 | Neo|Work | meaning the only purpose would be to handle the other formats |
| 23:27.41 | NoRemorse | but I have a MS adapter on my notebook, and my ONE pcmcia slot is tied up with my wlan card |
| 23:27.43 | Neo|Work | CF is most likely the cheapest format overall |
| 23:27.56 | Neo|Work | 'MS'? |
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| 23:28.08 | NoRemorse | so it would be great for transferring shit from my notebook to Z (like boot rom images etc) |
| 23:28.16 | NoRemorse | memory stick |
| 23:28.31 | Neo|Work | right, in that case it would usaful |
| 23:28.46 | NoRemorse | gonna cost me $100USD all up to get it to australia tho |
| 23:28.53 | Neo|Work | I said that it's not useful UNLESS you have one or more memory stick devices |
| 23:28.56 | NoRemorse | their oz distributor just hung up on me.... |
| 23:29.02 | NoRemorse | oh sorry Neo |
| 23:29.07 | Neo|Work | of course, you can just get a USB SD / CF unit |
| 23:29.15 | Neo|Work | for $20 or what not |
| 23:29.18 | Neo|Work | USD that is |
| 23:29.23 | NoRemorse | ah that sounds bettr :) |
| 23:29.49 | NoRemorse | tho I have a 64MB MS doing fuck all... |
| 23:30.14 | NoRemorse | it cost me a whopping $200USD about 2 years ago |
| 23:30.19 | Neo|Work | it's of course up to you. :P |
| 23:30.26 | Neo|Work | yikes |
| 23:30.43 | NoRemorse | okthis is now beyond a joke should opie-base_ take over 30 mins to upgrade?! |
| 23:33.10 | NoRemorse | yay it finished at last |
| 23:34.00 | NoRemorse | pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-cardmon.postinst configure' failed: Illegal seek. |
| 23:34.02 | NoRemorse | eek |
| 23:34.05 | kergoth | NoRemorse: harmless |
| 23:34.10 | NoRemorse | illegal eek hehe |
| 23:34.18 | NoRemorse | cool ta |
| 23:35.13 | NoRemorse | hehe by the time this upgrade is finished 3.1 will be ready hehe |
| 23:37.10 | Neo|Work | I have had issues with fscked up (locked, blocking whatever) access in OPIE |
| 23:37.20 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:37.25 | kergoth | its not opie, its jffs2 |
| 23:37.30 | kergoth | our old jffs2 version isnt exactly sane |
| 23:38.08 | NoRemorse | just a fucking file system 2? |
| 23:38.09 | Neo|Work | is that fixed? |
| 23:38.20 | kergoth | Neo|Work: in new jffs2, yes. in our ancient kernel, no. |
| 23:38.29 | kergoth | ibz: tell NoRemorse about jffs2 |
| 23:38.32 | kergoth | er |
| 23:38.34 | kergoth | ibot: tell NoRemorse about jffs2 |
| 23:38.37 | kergoth | ibot: sorry, missed |
| 23:38.53 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 23:39.00 | kergoth | ibz: sorry missed |
| 23:39.01 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 23:39.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:39.35 | NoRemorse | very cool |
| 23:39.40 | Neo|Work | kergoth: so I need to reflash the kernel to get that fixed? |
| 23:39.49 | kergoth | Neo|Work: we need a newer kernel. |
| 23:39.59 | kergoth | Neo|Work: or backport new jffs2 to 2.4.6 |
| 23:40.00 | Neo|Work | meaning there IS no newer kernel at this point? |
| 23:40.04 | Neo|Work | ok |
| 23:40.07 | NoRemorse | does anyone develop the kernel for OZ or do we rely on the sharp one? |
| 23:40.10 | Neo|Work | suxors |
| 23:40.25 | kergoth | NoRemorse: theres development. not much, but some. havent had much time to spend in kernel space |
| 23:40.28 | Neo|Work | I wonder what the 5600 will do, seeing as to it having writable flash |
| 23:40.34 | NoRemorse | k |
| 23:40.35 | kergoth | will be focusing on the new kernel shortly here |
| 23:40.50 | Neo|Work | I can't reflash at the moment anyway because of lack of CF but ... :P |
| 23:41.03 | George- | kergoth: apparently 2.4.19 or something works on the Z? |
| 23:41.07 | kergoth | George-: eh? |
| 23:41.11 | George- | kergoth: (according to chouimat) |
| 23:41.15 | George- | kergoth: is this true? :) |
| 23:41.18 | kergoth | George-: no, someone is *working* on it |
| 23:41.24 | kergoth | George-: this someone doesnt even have it booting yet |
| 23:41.30 | George- | oh right |
| 23:41.49 | George- | ... |
| 23:41.55 | George- | kergoth: who's working on it then? |
| 23:41.57 | George- | TMM1? |
| 23:42.02 | kergoth | George-: no |
| 23:42.03 | treke|la1top | ibot, lart George- |
| 23:42.10 | kergoth | ~rlart |
| 23:42.25 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:42.25 | Twiun | ~rlart |
| 23:42.27 | George- | heh |
| 23:42.28 | Neo|Work | the new zaurii will have 2.4.18 kernels I believe |
| 23:42.34 | Neo|Work | so obviously sharp has it working |
| 23:42.38 | Twiun | ~lart kergoth |
| 23:42.38 | George- | Yes... |
| 23:42.41 | kergoth | Neo|Work: yep |
| 23:42.42 | kergoth | ~rlart |
| 23:42.48 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:42.50 | kergoth | odd |
| 23:42.52 | treke|la1top | ~lart |
| 23:42.53 | kergoth | ibz: rlart |
| 23:42.55 | Twiun | yeah |
| 23:42.56 | kergoth | ibot: rlart |
| 23:43.01 | NoRemorse | hmm wonder if the 5600 kernel will work on 5500 |
| 23:43.03 | kergoth | ibot: lart ibot |
| 23:43.04 | George- | Are they legally obliged to provide the code for the 2.4.18 they have on the 5600? |
| 23:43.06 | Twiun | ~reload |
| 23:43.06 | | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (n required) |
| 23:43.06 | Neo|Work | wtf are yo doooing |
| 23:43.07 | George- | (now) |
| 23:43.10 | Twiun | ~reload 1 |
| 23:43.14 | Neo|Work | George-: of course |
| 23:43.19 | Neo|Work | once it's released in the very least |
| 23:43.22 | ibz | ibot: ibz is also NOT a bot, dammit |
| 23:43.24 | Neo|Work | not before I'd say |
| 23:43.28 | kergoth | ibz: hehe |
| 23:43.28 | George- | Neo|Work: Oh right |
| 23:43.40 | Neo|Work | ibot: ouch |
| 23:43.59 | ibz | ;) |
| 23:44.03 | ibz | Twiun: 'sup? |
| 23:44.07 | sheenmaster | NoRemorse: yo, it turns out that the converters (for memory at least) just convert; they don't need drivers |
| 23:44.08 | Neo|Work | ibz: lart ibot |
| 23:44.09 | Neo|Work | ;-) |
| 23:44.17 | Twiun | ibz: looking forward to my upcoming holiday ;-) |
| 23:44.22 | NoRemorse | sheenmaster cool |
| 23:44.23 | kergoth | ibot: rlart |
| 23:44.24 | Twiun | ibz: pissing about with qtawt |
| 23:44.36 | sheenmaster | NoRemorse: yeah |
| 23:44.42 | kergoth | ibot: rinsult |
| 23:44.44 | ibz | ibot live and let die |
| 23:44.50 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:44.55 | sheenmaster | NoRemorse: but my lappie has no pcmcia port :( |
| 23:44.55 | kergoth | no random things anymore, wtf |
| 23:45.03 | NoRemorse | ahh |
| 23:45.05 | ibz | hehe |
| 23:45.11 | NoRemorse | old lappy |
| 23:45.11 | Twiun | ibz: you? |
| 23:45.16 | ibz | Twiun: where you off to? |
| 23:45.17 | sheenmaster | NoRemorse: good thing for Apple AirPort cards! |
| 23:45.22 | NoRemorse | :) |
| 23:45.24 | sheenmaster | NoRemorse: apple iBook |
| 23:45.30 | NoRemorse | eek |
| 23:45.33 | George- | sheenmaster: which model? |
| 23:45.41 | George- | I love the Apple portables |
| 23:45.58 | Twiun | ibz: skiing in Austria, leaving 14th back on the 21st |
| 23:46.05 | sheenmaster | George-: the icebook, the new type not the old clamshel. 500mhz G3 w/ combo drive and ram upgrade |
| 23:46.13 | ibz | Twiun: nice. |
| 23:46.17 | George- | oh, the older 66MHz bus |
| 23:46.25 | George- | I presume you don't run OS X :) |
| 23:46.27 | ibz | never been skiing... |
| 23:46.36 | sheenmaster | George-: I still haven't gotten around to mapping the second enter key to right-click |
| 23:46.36 | NoRemorse | woohoo a local distributer has the compactTrio for $50USD |
| 23:46.48 | George- | sheenmaster: I can tell you how to do that |
| 23:46.49 | George- | :) |
| 23:47.05 | sheenmaster | George-: thx |
| 23:47.21 | George- | echo 96 > cat /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode |
| 23:47.33 | George- | on linux, anyway |
| 23:47.38 | George- | and |
| 23:47.44 | George- | whoops |
| 23:47.47 | Twiun | ibz: you should ;-) it's my third time, first in austria though |
| 23:47.50 | George- | echo 96 > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode |
| 23:48.02 | sheenmaster | George-: lol, I only reboot to OS X for warcraft 3 and OS 9 for quake 3 |
| 23:48.13 | George- | echo 1 > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation |
| 23:48.28 | George- | holy shit |
| 23:48.28 | George- | WarCraft runs on that thing??? |
| 23:48.28 | sheenmaster | George-: lol, pick a keycode! |
| 23:48.34 | George- | it seriously struggles on my tibook |
| 23:48.38 | George- | echo 1 > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation |
| 23:48.41 | George- | echo 96 > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode |
| 23:48.44 | sheenmaster | George-: yeah, ram upgrade (384mb SORELY needed) |
| 23:48.45 | George- | Do both those :) |
| 23:48.56 | ibz | Twiun: yeah, a friend of mine in Switzerland goes all the time - i'm still unable to muster the guts to tackle the slopes.. |
| 23:48.58 | George- | It's too friggin slow on this tibook w/512MB |
| 23:48.59 | sheenmaster | k, do I need to add that to my startup scripts or jus run once? |
| 23:49.09 | George- | startup scripts |
| 23:49.11 | ibz | Twiun: i love my legs too much...football!!! |
| 23:49.18 | George- | does it work ? |
| 23:49.25 | Twiun | ibz: yuk! hate football - too much grime |
| 23:49.25 | George- | I personally use the apple key for right click |
| 23:49.30 | George- | and the enter key for middle |
| 23:49.33 | ibz | hehe |
| 23:49.46 | George- | see ya kergoth`gone |
| 23:50.13 | ibz | well, it was football, then rugby...but i also play tennis/squash... |
| 23:50.14 | sheenmaster | George-: this will make enter right-click, and I can hit both at once for middle, correct? |
| 23:50.20 | George- | no |
| 23:50.26 | George- | it'll make enter right click |
| 23:50.30 | George- | but you can't hit both for middle |
| 23:50.38 | Twiun | ibz: I've been pretty lazy lately, I know I'll have lots of muscle pains when I return |
| 23:50.44 | George- | well.. you might |
| 23:50.46 | George- | I haven't tried |
| 23:50.47 | ibz | i feel more in control with 18 stone rugger buggers on top of me, than uncontrollably gravitating down the slopes! |
| 23:51.00 | NoRemorse | how much is the pretec 3GB CF? |
| 23:51.15 | George- | NoRemorse: 3GB CF??? |
| 23:51.39 | ibz | hmmmn, there isn't a double meaning to that by the way... |
| 23:51.56 | ibz | so get ya mind out that gutter! |
| 23:52.38 | Twiun | It's quite comfortable down here... didn't know you spent this much time here ;-) |
| 23:52.46 | NoRemorse | pretec webpage George- |
| 23:53.01 | NoRemorse | http://www.pretec.com/PR/PR_3GB_021118.pdf |
| 23:53.05 | ibz | hehe |
| 23:53.17 | Twiun | ibz: I just love the feeling of doing intensive exercise and not be all sweaty afterwards |
| 23:53.24 | Twiun | ibz: that and the speed of course |
| 23:53.45 | ibz | speed petrifies me. |
| 23:54.03 | ibz | am shit scared of planes... |
| 23:54.06 | Twiun | it's possible to go slow... but where's the adrenaline rush? |
| 23:54.26 | Twiun | ibz: you should try hang-gliding ;-) |
| 23:54.33 | ibz | adrenaline rush? |
| 23:54.41 | ibz | hang-gliding! Ha! |
| 23:54.43 | ibz | never |
| 23:54.55 | Twiun | scubba diving? |
| 23:55.00 | ibz | can't swim |
| 23:55.02 | ibz | hehe |
| 23:55.07 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 23:55.12 | ibz | well, i can get by... |
| 23:55.14 | Twiun | you land-lubber |
| 23:55.39 | ibz | had to learn when everyone else was learning to save lives! life-saving course! |
| 23:56.00 | ibz | i can run! |
| 23:56.10 | Twiun | I had to learn by being pushed into the pool at the deep end on holiday |
| 23:56.23 | Twiun | there goes ANOTHER vertical learning curve ;-) |
| 23:56.29 | ibz | am gunning for the half-marathon next year... |
| 23:56.35 | ibz | hehe |
| 23:56.42 | NoRemorse | whats the startup script for opie? it didnt start when i rebooted after a ipkg upgrade |
| 23:56.51 | Twiun | /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 23:57.07 | Twiun | ibz: good luck ;-) |
| 23:57.20 | ibz | NoRemorse: logread |
| 23:57.26 | ibz | Twiun: thanks |
| 23:57.35 | *** join/#zaurus Cloudchaser (~Cloudchas@ool-182dc5d1.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:57.46 | NoRemorse | # etc/init.d/opie start |
| 23:57.46 | NoRemorse | You seem to already have a /root/Applications directory. |
| 23:57.46 | NoRemorse | Assuming it is the Opie Applications directory. Exiting. |
| 23:57.46 | NoRemorse | Starting Opie with syslog logging..... |
| 23:57.46 | NoRemorse | Bus error |
| 23:57.48 | NoRemorse | ooops |
| 23:59.45 | NoRemorse | well thats ti, my z is fucked now I am gonna wait till 3.1 hehe |
| 23:59.49 | NoRemorse | ti=it |
