| 00:00.30 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: i dont' really care about lirc but its commonly requested so i'm making it work on OZ |
| 00:01.23 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: why is there a remote package without lirc? |
| 00:01.39 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: nm, you'll just tell me to stop complaining and start fixing. |
| 00:01.51 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: when I'm moving on instead of fixing. |
| 00:01.54 | TheMasterMind1 | it depends on lirc |
| 00:02.00 | TheMasterMind1 | and the current lirc stuff only works on ipaqs |
| 00:03.04 | sheenmaster | does it need hardware support for the zaurus, or just a package? |
| 00:04.53 | sheenmaster | any idea what the bandwidth of the Zaurus usb cradle is? |
| 00:05.54 | mutexer | bandwidth of USB maybe? |
| 00:06.39 | Twiun | you can push stuff around at around 800kb |
| 00:06.47 | Twiun | if the usbdnet driver doesn't barf ;-) |
| 00:06.58 | Twiun | 800kb/s even |
| 00:07.10 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: i'm able to use the Z's IR to control my tv from 10 feet away |
| 00:07.53 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: so I from 6 inches in front of my vcr(completely unsupported by lirc) I wouldn't have a problem :) |
| 00:08.38 | sheenmaster | Twiun: k, I'll selebrate when I get 11mb/s through 802.11b. Especially if it barfs less. |
| 00:08.38 | TheMasterMind1 | why is your vcr unsupported? |
| 00:08.48 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: no one cared enough to write a driver |
| 00:08.54 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: driver? |
| 00:08.59 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: it probably uses a weird signaling frequency |
| 00:09.03 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: you don't understand out lirc works apparently |
| 00:09.09 | TheMasterMind1 | you just need a config file |
| 00:09.09 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: lirc module/datafile |
| 00:09.16 | TheMasterMind1 | which you can make REALLY easily |
| 00:09.17 | sheenmaster | fine, config file |
| 00:09.32 | Zxcvb | TheMasterMind1: you have to know the protocol used |
| 00:09.47 | TheMasterMind1 | nah |
| 00:09.51 | TheMasterMind1 | just run irrecord |
| 00:09.52 | TDT | Does anyone here have a wireless CF card they use with the zaurus? |
| 00:10.00 | TheMasterMind1 | and press buttons the remote |
| 00:10.04 | TheMasterMind1 | and lirc figures out stuff |
| 00:10.08 | TheMasterMind1 | and then lets you write a config file |
| 00:10.13 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: yes. |
| 00:10.41 | TDT | TheMasterMind1: I just bought one...and how much work do I need to do to get it to work? |
| 00:10.46 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: are you in charge of packages or something? |
| 00:10.48 | TheMasterMind1 | plug it in. |
| 00:11.06 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: i just do general stuff. bug fixing, package adding, etc etc |
| 00:11.10 | TDT | TheMasterMind1: I stuck it in, the light is up, but there isn't a CF ejection icon at the moment....it isn't connected to my network,a lthough I set up the SSID adn stuff. |
| 00:11.11 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: There are 4 or so depends that mplayer doesn't have as requisits. |
| 00:11.22 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: what are those? |
| 00:11.22 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: who should I complain to? |
| 00:11.25 | TheMasterMind1 | me |
| 00:11.31 | sheenmaster | libmad |
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| 00:11.35 | sheenmaster | libvorbisdec |
| 00:11.42 | sheenmaster | libogg |
| 00:11.45 | sheenmaster | libsdl |
| 00:11.53 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: those four |
| 00:11.57 | TheMasterMind1 | Depends = libc6 ncurses libsdl libmad0 libogg0 libvorbisidec1 |
| 00:12.01 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't that right? |
| 00:12.15 | TheMasterMind1 | they're set as dependencies |
| 00:12.22 | TDT | I get a network host unreachable. |
| 00:12.29 | TDT | When I try to ping with the card in. |
| 00:12.39 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: maybe I have an unnoficial version of it |
| 00:12.55 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: it didn't install those |
| 00:13.08 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: yea, that's a problem with ipkg its not installing dependencies |
| 00:13.15 | TheMasterMind1 | bitch at the ipkg maintainer |
| 00:13.22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, unfortunately i maintain ipkg |
| 00:13.24 | sheenmaster | gladly |
| 00:13.57 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, i have a long list of ipkg stuff to fix |
| 00:13.57 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll get around to it eventualy |
| 00:14.03 | TDT | Does anyone have a general idea on where I should go to try getting this network set up? |
| 00:14.06 | sheenmaster | it isn't *that* bad, the interface is great for a pda |
| 00:14.10 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: what rom is this? |
| 00:14.23 | sheenmaster | but I could write a book on complaints and annoyances |
| 00:14.27 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 00:14.43 | sheenmaster | does it use wget for getting packages? |
| 00:14.44 | TheMasterMind1 | like i said, LONG list |
| 00:14.47 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: yep |
| 00:14.48 | TDT | ROM: 2.38 |
| 00:15.13 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: ah, i have no idea about the sharp rom. ithink they have a network setup app? |
| 00:15.15 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: then you can add proxy support with little work. Just make it set the proxy environment variables. |
| 00:15.30 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: I eventually found the variable names in mosaic's docs |
| 00:15.39 | TDT | TheMasterMind1: yes, and a wireless setup. I'll try the internet setup...but I don't know if that will work or not. |
| 00:15.43 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: lemme grep my zshrc file for it |
| 00:15.58 | sheenmaster | zshenv* |
| 00:16.41 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: execute: http_proxy="http://flame:3128/"; export http_proxy |
| 00:16.49 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: before the wget statement |
| 00:17.06 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: the other variable is ftp_proxy, and used in the same way |
| 00:17.42 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:17.49 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't ipkg have proxy support? |
| 00:18.02 | TheMasterMind1 | #option http_proxy http://proxy.tld:3128 |
| 00:18.02 | TheMasterMind1 | #option ftp_proxy http://proxy.tld:3128 |
| 00:18.02 | TheMasterMind1 | #option proxy_username <username> |
| 00:18.02 | TheMasterMind1 | #option proxy_password <password> |
| 00:18.03 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: doesn't look like it |
| 00:18.05 | TheMasterMind1 | in /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 00:18.24 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: lol, I didn't look there. The "user friendly" interface fooled me. |
| 00:18.30 | sheenmaster | : |
| 00:18.32 | sheenmaster | :) |
| 00:29.21 | TDT | hmm |
| 00:29.29 | TDT | the zaurus doesn't even detect my wireless card |
| 00:29.52 | TheMasterMind1 | what card? |
| 00:30.09 | TDT | Linksys Wireless Compact Flash Card. |
| 00:30.28 | TDT | man this sucks |
| 00:30.32 | TDT | hopefully a new rom is out. |
| 00:30.46 | bill2or3 | tdt, I think 2.38 is current |
| 00:31.33 | sheenmaster | TDT: @#$@#, that's the card I bought! |
| 00:31.44 | TDT | sheenmaster: having the same problem? |
| 00:31.59 | sheenmaster | TDT: no idea, I ordered it a few hours ago |
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| 00:32.49 | TDT | sheenmaster: I hope yours works...because mine sure doesn't. |
| 00:33.00 | sheenmaster | TDT: are you in OZ, Debian, or official? |
| 00:33.04 | TDT | the light on the link comes on, but no one's home. |
| 00:33.06 | TDT | official |
| 00:33.29 | sheenmaster | TDT: that helps my odds! |
| 00:33.35 | TDT | pfft |
| 00:33.40 | sheenmaster | TDT: lol |
| 00:33.58 | TDT | ROM Version: 2.37, June 20, 2002 --- dang them |
| 00:34.04 | TDT | can't they come up with stuff faster? |
| 00:34.10 | ljp | 2.38 |
| 00:34.19 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: is it a wcf12 or wcf11? |
| 00:34.29 | TDT | 802.11b |
| 00:34.30 | TheMasterMind1 | the wcf12 doesn't work on sharp rom unless you change the pcmcia config iirc |
| 00:34.36 | TDT | I don't know about anything else. |
| 00:34.39 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: heh, is it a big card or a small one |
| 00:34.48 | TheMasterMind1 | does it stick out and block the stylus? |
| 00:34.49 | TDT | model no: WCF12 |
| 00:34.54 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, wcf12 |
| 00:34.56 | TheMasterMind1 | you gotta do this: |
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| 00:35.17 | slug_80 | hi there :) |
| 00:35.28 | TDT | just thinking of it, this cf card is hecka big lol |
| 00:35.29 | ljp | hi! |
| 00:36.10 | TDT | taking a while to type...this is a good thing |
| 00:36.14 | slug_80 | I just found this channel on http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/community.php3 |
| 00:36.20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:36.26 | TDT | hopefully you're not saying "now take your zaurus and bash it against the wall 2 dozen times" |
| 00:36.36 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: lol |
| 00:36.42 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: try it :) |
| 00:36.58 | TDT | well - instead of my cf card not working..the whole unit wouldn't work lol |
| 00:37.03 | TDT | is there any hope for this cf card? |
| 00:37.21 | TDT | how-to pages would be fine...even if it's slighly painful. |
| 00:37.27 | TDT | just as long as I don't have to buy another card lol |
| 00:37.43 | slug_80 | I've got a short question: is it possible to change the alarm.wav (used by datebook)? It's in /usr/Q.../sounds and this seems to be mounted read only :-( |
| 00:37.50 | TheMasterMind1 | grr, i can't find it |
| 00:37.53 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: ok, do this |
| 00:37.55 | TheMasterMind1 | cardctl ident |
| 00:38.19 | TDT | guessing doing that in the bash shell correct? |
| 00:38.29 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 00:39.03 | TDT | prolly help if I had it plugged in...ok redoing it |
| 00:39.30 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: you can just flash OpenZaurus and it'd work out of the box :) |
| 00:39.36 | TheMasterMind1 | and having a better network setup app too |
| 00:39.42 | TheMasterMind1 | </shameless plug> |
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| 00:39.54 | TDT | I wouldn't midn doing that...but do I require a CF card to do it? |
| 00:40.00 | TDT | I only have an SD card. |
| 00:40.13 | TDT | 128 meg SD card...but only an SD card. |
| 00:40.21 | TheMasterMind1 | aha! |
| 00:40.22 | TheMasterMind1 | found it |
| 00:40.25 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.lib.uaa.alaska.edu/aklug/archive/2002-11/0061.html |
| 00:40.27 | TheMasterMind1 | read that TDT |
| 00:40.37 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: yea, you'd need a CF card |
| 00:40.42 | TDT | ok, thx. |
| 00:40.43 | TheMasterMind1 | 16mb or bigger |
| 00:40.44 | TDT | dang |
| 00:40.58 | TDT | well..when/if I have enough money I'll get one. |
| 00:41.05 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: actually... >16mb |
| 00:41.31 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: no, 16 will work for OZ |
| 00:41.48 | TheMasterMind1 | and if you romburst OSPACK and take out only the zimage and initrd then you can flash sharp with a 16mb too |
| 00:41.50 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 00:42.01 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: Ahhh... just not for Sharp Rom - talking from experience |
| 00:42.15 | Twiun | this was back with the 1.12 roms |
| 00:42.41 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 00:43.24 | slug_80 | doesn't anyone have any ideas? (I even didn't find any possibility to configure datebook :( |
| 00:43.26 | slug_80 | ) |
| 00:43.53 | TheMasterMind1 | slug_80: the sharp rom is a huge mess of symlinks and readonly mounts |
| 00:43.55 | TheMasterMind1 | its a HUGE mess |
| 00:44.13 | TheMasterMind1 | quite sickening |
| 00:44.29 | Twiun | slug_80: if you're talking about the alarm sound that comes out of the piezo (not the earphone jack) the choice is hardcoded in the kernel |
| 00:44.36 | TDT | man, now I wish I leaned Via little better |
| 00:44.40 | TDT | *VI |
| 00:44.44 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 00:44.52 | slug_80 | hmmmm |
| 00:45.02 | TheMasterMind1 | slug_80: you should flash OZ also :) |
| 00:45.08 | slug_80 | Twiun: that's it - so, I'm not able to change that? |
| 00:45.11 | TheMasterMind1 | slug_80: there's an app on ZSI that lets you change it |
| 00:45.24 | Twiun | that and some kernel hacking ;-) |
| 00:45.32 | TheMasterMind1 | uses memory mapping something or other |
| 00:45.34 | Twiun | things *will* get better with time |
| 00:45.56 | whytenoiz | things *might* get better with time |
| 00:46.09 | TheMasterMind1 | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=757 |
| 00:46.11 | TheMasterMind1 | use that |
| 00:46.25 | TheMasterMind1 | its $5, but there's a demo also |
| 00:46.35 | Twiun | whytenoiz: things _have_ gotten better with time, OZ being a prime example |
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| 00:53.40 | slug_80 | TheMasterMind1: I just installed it, but ... |
| 00:53.50 | TheMasterMind1 | installed what? |
| 00:53.59 | slug_80 | buzconfig |
| 00:54.57 | slug_80 | but i hit(ted?) the shutdown-button and after switching to ON - the Zaurus hanged himself... |
| 00:56.12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:56.18 | TheMasterMind1 | intersting |
| 00:56.33 | TheMasterMind1 | i blame it on the sharp rom |
| 00:56.50 | slug_80 | the hanging up? |
| 00:56.59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:59.05 | TDT | Well,t he tutorial didn't work...I changed it around a little, and am testing it out now. |
| 00:59.16 | TDT | if nothing else, then I'm gettign good at vi. |
| 00:59.18 | slug_80 | I don't know it - I've got it since yesterday and I had a lot to do to get it work with linux and ppp_over_usb and setting up routing .... but now, it works - so far (AND NOW: even with better sounds!!! - THANKS btw) |
| 00:59.38 | TDT | and it works |
| 00:59.39 | TDT | wahoo |
| 00:59.43 | TDT | jus some minor changes |
| 01:01.12 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 01:01.23 | slug_80 | :) |
| 01:01.23 | Twiun | cool |
| 01:03.12 | whytenoiz | I'm out. 'night. |
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| 01:03.27 | slug_80 | great, for today, it's enough - i'll go sleeping now ;-) Thanks and cu! |
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| 01:31.38 | SillyZ | evenin yall |
| 01:31.41 | SillyZ | how goes ? |
| 01:38.54 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone here have time/intersting/skill in writing a simple gui thing for remote control stuff? basically its going to be running a couple of system commands, takeing the output and making a list of clickable things which will evoke more system commands |
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| 02:25.01 | Zxcvb | any exult/zaurus users here? |
| 02:25.44 | badl | TheMasterMind1: remote control stuff.. is that in conjunction with lirc? |
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| 02:39.07 | Nord4Sale | that topic really out to be changed |
| 02:39.31 | Nord4Sale | ought |
| 02:41.31 | rabbit_uk_ | at least the "special offer" should be removed |
| 02:41.51 | Nord4Sale | right |
| 02:45.46 | Nord4Sale | So my Zaurus is in shipment now and will be here in a couple days. The big question for me is - Sharp ROM or OpenZaurus? |
| 02:47.23 | rabbit_uk_ | Well I've had mine 5 days and have already had crashes using the retail rom. OZ3 looks *really* funky compared to original. I'm very tempted to change. |
| 02:47.43 | Nord4Sale | yikes....crashes |
| 02:47.51 | Nord4Sale | That's not what I'm interested in in a PDA |
| 02:48.11 | rabbit_uk_ | Got it when playing xrick with a dodgey SDL lib. |
| 02:48.27 | Nord4Sale | Does OZ come with a standard PIM application suite? |
| 02:50.14 | rabbit_uk_ | I think so. Go look at www.openzaurus.org to see what's included. |
| 02:52.15 | Nord4Sale | Is there a page there that just lists the apps...maybe I'm dumb but I didn't see one. |
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| 02:57.51 | rabbit_uk_ | Nord4Sale: err.. can't find one there. OZ3 incorporates Opie so look at the Opie user manual. (http://opie.handhelds.org/usermanual/). |
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| 02:59.38 | TheMasterMind1 | badl: yes |
| 02:59.53 | Nord4Sale | ah ok..thanks |
| 03:00.28 | SillyZ | TheMasterMind1: did you still need someone that was on a sharp rom ?? |
| 03:00.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, dunno |
| 03:00.48 | TheMasterMind1 | talk to Com[Plex if he's around |
| 03:00.51 | TheMasterMind1 | he wants some testing i think |
| 03:00.53 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex: here? |
| 03:01.57 | SillyZ | btw I have found under extreme heavy load usb->tcpip causes the scroll lock / caps lock on the keyboard to go solid, and the zaurus to lock up solid |
| 03:02.09 | SillyZ | this is on an Iwill XP333-R motherboard btw |
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| 03:22.32 | Pendalar | hey guys I know some people who need to order 8 or so zaurus but they've missed the dec 6th deadline.. will there be a new deal? |
| 03:22.53 | treke|home | nope |
| 03:23.00 | treke|home | probaly not for a while |
| 03:23.28 | Nord4Sale | Doesn't seem likely, but I just ordered one for less than $300 |
| 03:23.45 | treke|home | sharp seems to do a deal every couple months |
| 03:23.49 | Nord4Sale | not quite the vip deal but still better than any normal retail I could find |
| 03:23.58 | Pendalar | anywhere else selling for ~$249? |
| 03:24.11 | Pendalar | retail is never the way to go ;-) |
| 03:24.11 | treke|home | maybe when linux world hits in january or feb |
| 03:24.14 | Nord4Sale | ebay if you're lucky. But the prices are high there |
| 03:24.34 | Nord4Sale | yeah, if you want to wait. Or you can do what I did which was hunt for coupons |
| 03:24.34 | Pendalar | when I bought my Palm m505 a while back, saved about $250 by buying online |
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| 03:26.49 | rabbit_uk_ | \date |
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| 03:43.27 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone here have time/intersting/skill in writing a simple gui thing for remote control stuff? basically its going to be running a couple of system commands, takeing the output and making a list of clickable things which will evoke more system commands |
| 03:45.53 | Pendalar | I'd have the interest, but time and skill nope =-( |
| 03:46.05 | Pendalar | I know very little about qtopia-ish gui'ing |
| 03:46.08 | Pendalar | so far |
| 03:46.26 | rabbit_uk_ | TMM1: Doesn't Opie-remote do this? |
| 03:47.17 | TheMasterMind1 | rabbit_uk_: opie-remote is compilicated and very user-unfriendly |
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| 03:47.27 | TheMasterMind1 | wow, |
| 03:47.32 | rabbit_uk_ | true. |
| 03:47.37 | TheMasterMind1 | hancom word now finally actually works on OZ |
| 03:47.40 | TheMasterMind1 | works perfectly |
| 03:47.43 | TheMasterMind1 | no libs needed |
| 03:47.45 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Woo! You fixed lirc! :) |
| 03:47.48 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 03:47.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i been busy |
| 03:47.56 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, not really |
| 03:47.57 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 03:47.59 | noda | I gotta try out opie-remote! :) |
| 03:48.29 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 03:48.33 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-remote is no good |
| 03:48.33 | rabbit_uk_ | TMM: have you got Opie-remote working? |
| 03:48.35 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Where can I get it? :) |
| 03:48.37 | TheMasterMind1 | its very compilcated and tedius |
| 03:48.45 | noda | Oh... what's simple and easy? :) |
| 03:48.47 | TheMasterMind1 | i want someone to write a simple frontend |
| 03:48.50 | Pendalar | killefiz seems faster today |
| 03:48.52 | rabbit_uk_ | noda: http://www.zauruszone/feed |
| 03:48.55 | Pendalar | and on a weekend.. |
| 03:49.02 | noda | rabbit_uk_: Thanks |
| 03:49.08 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? dont' use the zz feed |
| 03:49.22 | rabbit_uk_ | TMM: how come? |
| 03:49.27 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug |
| 03:49.29 | TheMasterMind1 | * |
| 03:49.38 | noda | rabbit_uk_: It doesn't have TheMasterMind1's fixes, I'd assume :) |
| 03:49.41 | TheMasterMind1 | Pendalar: wanna write this thing for me? you can learn qt gui stuff while doing it |
| 03:49.57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, you want lirc? i don't have an ipk yet |
| 03:50.03 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Oh :) |
| 03:50.04 | TheMasterMind1 | i can give you binaries and module |
| 03:50.06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:50.08 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Have you pushed to bk though? :) |
| 03:50.17 | TheMasterMind1 | no, not in buildroot yet either |
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| 03:50.24 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 03:50.29 | noda | Well I guess that doesn't matter - I can't get this damned buildroot to compile... |
| 03:50.31 | TheMasterMind1 | but! |
| 03:50.35 | TheMasterMind1 | HANCOM WORD WORKS!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:50.36 | TheMasterMind1 | 200T |
| 03:50.38 | TheMasterMind1 | W00T |
| 03:50.38 | noda | Heh :) |
| 03:50.49 | noda | I don't care about hancom word, I care about prelink most right now :) |
| 03:50.57 | TheMasterMind1 | prelink isn't going too well |
| 03:51.00 | TheMasterMind1 | last i heard anyway |
| 03:51.04 | noda | Yeah... |
| 03:51.06 | TheMasterMind1 | gotta ask sandman about it |
| 03:51.09 | noda | I want MY tree to build too! |
| 03:51.10 | Pendalar | TMM1 I'll start looking into it, but I'm afraid combining time contraints with lack of knowledge, you could find someone else to do it in 1/10 the time |
| 03:51.20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:51.20 | noda | It simply doesn't give an error. It just exits silently with error 1. |
| 03:51.28 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg does? |
| 03:51.34 | noda | 'make image' |
| 03:51.39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 03:51.45 | Pendalar | I'm working on a simplified rsync style program and trying to tweak Quake atm |
| 03:52.05 | noda | I don't know anything about the whole makefile system kergoth made, tmm1, you know more - what does 'make image' DO? Which makefiles should I look at? |
| 03:52.48 | noda | Oh, could it have to do with "build/ipktemp/oz-base-2.1-1/home/root: peremission denied", or should that happen since it's owned by root? |
| 03:53.17 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: log the output of make image and gimme a link |
| 03:53.26 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I don't have to log it :P |
| 03:53.34 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 03:53.39 | noda | make[1]: Entering directory `/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/packages/oz-base' |
| 03:53.39 | noda | ipkg_conf_parse_file: failed to open /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/etc/ipkg.conf: No such file or directory |
| 03:53.39 | noda | make[1]: *** [/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/oz-base.control] Error 1 |
| 03:53.39 | noda | make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/packages/oz-base' |
| 03:53.39 | noda | make: *** [packages/oz-base] Error 2 |
| 03:53.43 | noda | That's it :P |
| 03:53.48 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, joy. |
| 03:54.18 | noda | I know ipkg_conf_parse_file is a warning and isn't the real problem... |
| 03:54.43 | noda | But what I don't know is what it's trying to do next. |
| 03:55.08 | noda | Which makefile would that be? |
| 03:55.09 | TheMasterMind1 | agupta@hubris:~/zaurus/buildroot$ make SUBDIRS=packages/oz-base image |
| 03:55.09 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/packages/mtd' |
| 03:55.09 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: Nothing to be done for `install'. |
| 03:55.09 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/packages/mtd' |
| 03:55.09 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/packages/oz-base' |
| 03:55.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg_conf_parse_file: failed to open /home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/output/rootfs/etc/ipkg.conf: No such file or directory |
| 03:55.13 | TheMasterMind1 | Installing oz-base (2.0-1) to root... |
| 03:55.17 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.23 | noda | TheMasterMind1: That's the line I'm missing, "Installing oz-base.." |
| 03:55.33 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, that's when ipkg is called |
| 03:55.34 | choui|stillbored | ibot seen kergoth |
| 03:55.36 | | kergoth <~kergoth@oemx.digi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 20h 30m 39s ago, saying: 'no problem'. |
| 03:55.38 | TheMasterMind1 | so for some reason you're not calling ipkg |
| 03:55.39 | noda | So my ipkg is broken... this is ipkg-x86 right? |
| 03:55.44 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 03:55.47 | Pendalar | TMM1 : I'll take lirc whenever you can but you'd have to email ;-) which I know is a pita |
| 03:55.59 | noda | TheMasterMind1: No, it looks like I AM calling it... I'd like to make a change to the makefile. It really should echo what it's doing, as everything else does... |
| 03:56.04 | TheMasterMind1 | you want an ipk or what? |
| 03:56.10 | Pendalar | my firewall is a female |
| 03:56.20 | noda | I want to get that line, "Installing oz-base (2.0-1) to root..." :P |
| 03:56.31 | noda | Something on my system is broken, which ipkg is it? :) |
| 03:56.33 | Pendalar | that would be easiest, but whatever is somewhat easy to get working |
| 03:56.40 | choui|stillbored | Pendalar: ok your firewall don't work a week per month? |
| 03:56.49 | Pendalar | pretty much |
| 03:57.01 | Pendalar | you can try to dcc before email but don't put much faith in it |
| 03:57.10 | choui|stillbored | hey noda |
| 03:57.15 | noda | choui|stillbored: Hallo :) |
| 03:57.58 | noda | make image |
| 03:58.02 | noda | Erm. Whoops :P |
| 03:58.28 | noda | TheMasterMind1: How can I test if my ipkg is working or not? i.e., what command would I type? :) |
| 03:58.40 | noda | I'm sure at the very least I could get a more verbose error message... |
| 03:59.04 | choui|stillbored | noda: hmmm I like what is see on meteomedia :) |
| 03:59.14 | choui|stillbored | s/is/I |
| 03:59.24 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/lirc-z/ if you want |
| 03:59.24 | noda | choui|stillbored: Bah, I don't know any of those channels :P. I only know like 5 English ones :) |
| 03:59.26 | TheMasterMind1 | insmod the module |
| 03:59.31 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Thanks :) |
| 03:59.35 | TheMasterMind1 | get a lirc conf and put it in /etc/lircd.conf |
| 03:59.38 | TheMasterMind1 | start lircd |
| 03:59.51 | choui|stillbored | noda: she's cute |
| 03:59.58 | noda | Cool, I'll have to check it out. Your dir is in my mozilla history so I won't forget it :) |
| 04:00.07 | noda | Right now I HAVE to get this damned thing running though :) |
| 04:00.20 | TheMasterMind1 | use "rc SEND_ONCE model_name COMMAND_FROM_CONF" |
| 04:00.34 | TheMasterMind1 | i.e. rc SEND_ONCE SONY-TV MUTE |
| 04:00.39 | noda | Oh hell :P. That's on lirc's website I assume? |
| 04:01.05 | Pendalar | fun hehe |
| 04:01.09 | TheMasterMind1 | http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes |
| 04:01.12 | noda | That's going to be fun :) |
| 04:01.13 | noda | Thanks :) |
| 04:01.21 | noda | I'll FREAK my brother and roomate out :) |
| 04:01.42 | noda | But right NOW... who knows what 'make image' does? Where are those ipkg-install things? I want the makefile to echo something dammit! |
| 04:01.52 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: alright, run |
| 04:01.54 | TheMasterMind1 | agupta@hubris:~/zaurus/buildroot$ ./build/ipkg-x86/C/ipkg |
| 04:02.16 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Hrm, it looks like it runs... |
| 04:02.22 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 04:02.30 | noda | So I guess I can do a dummy install, right? |
| 04:03.21 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.23 | TheMasterMind1 | run that |
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| 04:03.40 | noda | Which makefile is that? |
| 04:03.44 | TheMasterMind1 | Vars.make |
| 04:03.45 | noda | I can't exactly run it, the vars aren't set :) |
| 04:03.47 | noda | Okay, thanks :) |
| 04:04.01 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, obviously, replace the vars with text |
| 04:04.20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmf, i need to build a kernel without debug |
| 04:04.33 | noda | I don't see that in my Vars.make... |
| 04:04.39 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:05.51 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Ah, RULES.make :) |
| 04:06.18 | TheMasterMind1 | err, yea, my bad |
| 04:06.19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:07.10 | noda | Well hrm... |
| 04:07.22 | noda | It fails silently or something :) |
| 04:07.41 | noda | Or not. |
| 04:08.00 | noda | [adam@hera buildroot-oz]$ /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/ipkg-x86/C/ipkg -o /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs -f /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/etc/ipkg.conf -force-depends install /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/ipks/oz-base_2.0-1_arm.ipk /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/ipks/oz-base_2.1-1_arm.ipk && echo SUCCESS |
| 04:08.00 | noda | ipkg_conf_parse_file: failed to open /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/etc/ipkg.conf: No such file or directory |
| 04:08.00 | noda | SUCCESS |
| 04:08.15 | badl | TheMasterMind1: what is wrong with opie remote? |
| 04:08.38 | TheMasterMind1 | badl: its tedius, complicated, annoying, buggy and not user friendly |
| 04:08.39 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 04:08.53 | badl | hehe opie ;) |
| 04:08.54 | TheMasterMind1 | try using it, it'll confuse the fuck out of you |
| 04:09.06 | badl | ic |
| 04:09.21 | TheMasterMind1 | i need someone to write a really simple one |
| 04:09.34 | noda | I'm not supposed to have an ipkg.conf am I? |
| 04:09.43 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: it doesn't matter really |
| 04:10.03 | Quadgie | just be warned, the range is rather limited |
| 04:10.03 | Quadgie | I dunno if it's a hardware limit or the lirc_sir driver, but my old iPaq used to have a greater range |
| 04:10.12 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: try taking off options and see if it dies |
| 04:10.20 | badl | TheMasterMind1: have you an idea what commands you want the gui to access the lirc console program? |
| 04:10.21 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: take off the -f and then the -o |
| 04:10.22 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Okay... |
| 04:10.40 | noda | ipkg: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg': Permission denied |
| 04:10.41 | TheMasterMind1 | Quadgie: eh? i was using it from 10 feet away and it worked fine |
| 04:10.52 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: err, leave the -o :) |
| 04:11.01 | Quadgie | TheMasterMind1: My iPaq worked from the next room over. :P |
| 04:11.07 | noda | TheMasterMind1: It gives me help :) |
| 04:11.21 | noda | Ah... |
| 04:11.26 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: hmm, you have ar installed? |
| 04:11.27 | noda | /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/ipkg-x86/C/ipkg: unknown sub-command /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/etc/ipkg.conf |
| 04:11.36 | noda | Of course :) |
| 04:11.41 | TheMasterMind1 | darn |
| 04:11.44 | noda | binutils 2.13 |
| 04:11.50 | noda | I wouldn't have gotten this far without it :) |
| 04:11.55 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:11.58 | TheMasterMind1 | yea true |
| 04:12.01 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:12.01 | noda | I'm gonna try making image as root, maybe it's permissions |
| 04:12.06 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe |
| 04:12.08 | noda | Nope |
| 04:12.09 | TheMasterMind1 | Quadgie: heh |
| 04:12.30 | noda | A-HA... |
| 04:12.33 | noda | It's not the ipkg that's failing. |
| 04:12.38 | noda | [ -e /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/oz-base.control ] && touch /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/oz-base.control |
| 04:12.54 | noda | (I had left the @ before that rule) |
| 04:13.02 | noda | s/rule/line |
| 04:13.18 | TheMasterMind1 | badl: basically i need something that will system('rc LIST "" ""'); take that list of remotes and make a dropdown, then for each dropdown item do system('rc LIST <item> ""'); and it gives a list of commands for each one make a button with that name and when they're pressed it does system('rc SEND_ONCE <item> <buttonname>'); |
| 04:14.30 | noda | So ipkg isn't actually INSTALLING... |
| 04:14.52 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Mind being a 5-minute test victim? Could you please make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg-x86 mrproper && make image just to see? :) |
| 04:15.16 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: heh, it won't die for me |
| 04:15.18 | TheMasterMind1 | but i'll try |
| 04:15.28 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Of course not, everything only happns to me :) |
| 04:15.40 | TheMasterMind1 | /bin/sh: line 1: /home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/build/ipkg-x86/C/ipkg: No such file or directory |
| 04:15.41 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 04:15.52 | noda | just 'make' first I guess... *shrug* |
| 04:16.04 | noda | btw, what's kergoth's philosophy behind all the @'s in Rules.make? :) |
| 04:16.14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:16.16 | TheMasterMind1 | don't ask me |
| 04:16.21 | noda | I'll have to ask him... |
| 04:16.28 | noda | Nobody else does it :) |
| 04:16.36 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: works just fine |
| 04:16.42 | TheMasterMind1 | making me an image |
| 04:16.44 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I hate you :P |
| 04:16.47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:16.47 | noda | :) |
| 04:16.52 | TheMasterMind1 | strace your ipkg |
| 04:17.01 | noda | But what am I supposed to see? :) |
| 04:17.09 | TheMasterMind1 | see where it dies |
| 04:17.27 | TheMasterMind1 | the last few lines of strace should help |
| 04:17.31 | noda | Okaaaaaaay... here we go... |
| 04:17.47 | noda | mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40018000 |
| 04:17.47 | noda | _llseek(6, 0, 0xbffff3f0, SEEK_CUR) = -1 ESPIPE (Illegal seek) |
| 04:17.53 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:17.55 | TheMasterMind1 | illegal seek |
| 04:18.02 | noda | Yep, there are a few. |
| 04:18.09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:18.10 | noda | Oh, there's something higher |
| 04:18.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ok try this |
| 04:18.14 | noda | shmat(6, 0, 0x3ptrace: umoven: Input/output error |
| 04:18.25 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 04:18.28 | TheMasterMind1 | i think that's ignorable |
| 04:18.32 | noda | Oh, wait, even more illegal seeks up higher |
| 04:18.43 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: try manually extracting your oz-base ipkg with ar/targz |
| 04:18.53 | noda | TheMasterMind1: What for? :) |
| 04:19.03 | noda | Oh, to see if it works, RIGHT :P |
| 04:19.06 | TheMasterMind1 | for the sake of debugging |
| 04:19.08 | noda | rofl |
| 04:19.57 | noda | They extract fine |
| 04:20.01 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.02 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:20.08 | TheMasterMind1 | why is seek returns ESPIPE |
| 04:20.15 | TheMasterMind1 | what pipe is it reading |
| 04:20.21 | TheMasterMind1 | or trying to seek anyway |
| 04:20.43 | noda | I can probably find that somewhere... here, I'll upload the strace, just a sec |
| 04:21.04 | noda | http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/strace.log |
| 04:21.32 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: you tried it as root? |
| 04:21.38 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Yeah, no dice |
| 04:22.15 | noda | It looks like it's trying everything twice... I'm VERY weak at reading straces though, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about |
| 04:22.30 | noda | but that "--- SIGCHLD (Child exited) ---" looks bad :) |
| 04:22.57 | TheMasterMind1 | nah, its just calling it with those two oz-base ipks |
| 04:23.02 | TheMasterMind1 | remote your oz-base ipkg |
| 04:24.09 | noda | Okay, removed both, did another 'make'... |
| 04:24.13 | noda | Still no go. |
| 04:24.16 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: ok, how about this. grab the oz-base ipk from oz unstable feed and replace the one you have in output/ipks |
| 04:24.17 | TheMasterMind1 | and then try it |
| 04:24.21 | noda | I did a make -i once, it does the same with EVERY package. |
| 04:24.26 | noda | Okay, will try |
| 04:25.43 | noda | TheMasterMind1: It works... |
| 04:25.48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:25.52 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm a genious :) |
| 04:25.54 | noda | And then guess what... the next package fails too, of course :) |
| 04:26.00 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 04:26.07 | TheMasterMind1 | so something's fucked up with your ipks |
| 04:26.14 | noda | But I just rebuilt that one... |
| 04:26.21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:26.30 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: do this |
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| 04:26.35 | TheMasterMind1 | strace it works |
| 04:26.36 | noda | er, s/images/ipks |
| 04:26.37 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 04:26.39 | TheMasterMind1 | strace it working |
| 04:26.43 | noda | Okay |
| 04:26.43 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme compare |
| 04:26.46 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm thinking you have old tar |
| 04:26.54 | noda | Wait a second... um... |
| 04:27.00 | noda | TheMasterMind1: That's very likely, I DO have an old tar. |
| 04:27.09 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:27.18 | noda | It's one of the few things I didn't upgrade on my system (since I don't know how to compile bzip2 and never bothered to look) |
| 04:27.33 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Now guess what... I suddenly notice LOTS of errors building each image :P |
| 04:27.37 | noda | s/image/ipk, dammit! |
| 04:27.38 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i bet its tar |
| 04:27.50 | TheMasterMind1 | cuz of those \0s |
| 04:27.53 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I'll take off the @ on whichever rule it is :) |
| 04:27.54 | TheMasterMind1 | that's the old tar magic iirc |
| 04:27.59 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: ok |
| 04:28.16 | TheMasterMind1 | the problem's been narrowed down, you can figure it out now :) |
| 04:28.33 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Yeah, THANKS! :) |
| 04:28.36 | TheMasterMind1 | time to see why it refuses to build a nondebug kernel |
| 04:28.37 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: np |
| 04:30.02 | noda | You don't happen to know how to compile tar with bzip2 support? :P |
| 04:30.08 | noda | I guess I'll google it :) |
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| 04:30.45 | noda | Hrm, I have tar v1.13, that's the latest. |
| 04:30.49 | TDT | Well, that method iddn't work very well. |
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| 04:31.35 | TDT | Does anyone have a Linksys Wireless CF Card (WCF12)? |
| 04:31.53 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: heh |
| 04:32.15 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: gzip? |
| 04:32.19 | noda | So it's not tar... it's SOMETHING :) |
| 04:32.23 | noda | It's not gzip :P |
| 04:33.22 | noda | Ack! |
| 04:33.33 | noda | I did rm -rf output/ipks build/ipktemp and did another 'make'. |
| 04:33.50 | noda | Now for some reason it went through oz-base and died on packages/kernel |
| 04:34.01 | noda | Didn't say "Installing oz-base..." though. |
| 04:34.05 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:34.25 | TheMasterMind1 | hm, whats your sources line in packages/ipkg-x86/Makefile |
| 04:34.28 | TheMasterMind1 | the first sources line |
| 04:34.46 | noda | Sources = :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs module=familiar/dist/ipkg |
| 04:35.17 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 04:35.29 | noda | Hey, maybe I could run gdb on this sucker... |
| 04:35.41 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, try it |
| 04:36.17 | TDT | Any other ideas about my wireless card? It now works...to a degree...but it keeps flashing. |
| 04:36.32 | noda | rofl, look at my inexperience here, I don't even know how to run gdb with arguments! :P |
| 04:36.33 | TDT | just on and off...at first it acts like it's reading something..then just flashes. |
| 04:37.08 | noda | There we go. |
| 04:37.12 | noda | "Program exited normally." |
| 04:37.28 | noda | Oh hell, I should be debugging the package CREATION, since that's what's broken.... |
| 04:37.34 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: huh? its supposed to flash.. |
| 04:37.38 | TheMasterMind1 | the light you mean? |
| 04:38.00 | TDT | yeah, just kept flashing |
| 04:38.02 | TDT | didn't stop |
| 04:38.07 | TDT | one sec |
| 04:38.09 | TheMasterMind1 | the light on the card? |
| 04:38.11 | TDT | i think I may have got something |
| 04:38.12 | TDT | yeah |
| 04:38.18 | TheMasterMind1 | its supposed to flash! |
| 04:38.23 | TheMasterMind1 | what are you talking about |
| 04:38.40 | TDT | lol, now it's working |
| 04:38.45 | TDT | before it was just flashing on and off |
| 04:38.50 | noda | cd /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/ipks; /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/ipkg-x86/util/ipkg-build -o root -g root /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/ipktemp/oz-base-2.1-1 |
| 04:38.51 | noda | Packaged contents of /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/ipktemp/oz-base-2.1-1 into ./oz-base_2.1-1_arm.ipk |
| 04:38.51 | TDT | I had it on the wrong setting in wireless |
| 04:38.53 | TDT | now it's solid on. |
| 04:39.01 | TDT | which is what I was told it was supposed to do. |
| 04:40.04 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: hm, ok. mine flashes :) |
| 04:41.02 | TDT | lol, mine just stays full on. |
| 04:41.06 | TDT | not a flash in it |
| 04:45.59 | badl_ | my connection is running at like 30-35bytes per second!... my ISP must be under a DoD attack ;) |
| 04:46.11 | badl_ | DoS |
| 04:46.23 | badl_ | rather |
| 04:47.47 | Pendalar | jedit not ported? |
| 04:47.47 | TDT | TheMasterMind1: Are there any IM clients out there for the zaurus? |
| 04:48.15 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, kinkattalite for aim, qtjim for jabbery and tkcjabber for jabber and aim/yahoo/msn/icq via tkc's jabber server |
| 04:49.45 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Well, I compiled my own tar, so that can't be the problem... |
| 04:50.20 | TDT | TheMasterMind1: what's the site for tkcjabber and stuff? |
| 04:50.40 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: tkc* is nonfree |
| 04:50.52 | TDT | ah crap. |
| 04:51.00 | TDT | that's the only option for AIM and stuff? |
| 04:51.04 | TheMasterMind1 | thekompany.com |
| 04:51.20 | TheMasterMind1 | TDT: you can use qtjim with a jabber server that has aim exports.. |
| 04:51.31 | TheMasterMind1 | technically, you can use qtjim with tkc's server |
| 04:51.34 | TheMasterMind1 | haven't tried |
| 04:53.46 | Pendalar | tmm1: is there a way on the openzaurus feed to know what works for sure with sharp rom? |
| 04:53.51 | Pendalar | since it's more up to date than ZZ |
| 04:54.06 | TheMasterMind1 | not that i know |
| 04:54.07 | TheMasterMind1 | of |
| 04:54.20 | TheMasterMind1 | patch: **** malformed patch at line 48: @@ -506,23 +511,22 @@ |
| 04:54.23 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 04:54.27 | TheMasterMind1 | how is that line malformed? |
| 04:56.03 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Was it written in Windows, so it has an invisible ^M at the end or something? :) |
| 04:56.45 | TheMasterMind1 | nah, vim would show me that |
| 04:56.49 | noda | Right |
| 04:57.27 | noda | Okay, it's not ar. It's not tar. It's not gzip. |
| 04:57.35 | noda | Running out of software to upgrade here :) |
| 04:58.43 | noda | Oh, it's also not sed :) |
| 04:59.47 | noda | Maybe it's diff... |
| 05:01.10 | TDT | TheMasterMind1: what was the site for the NFS on the zaurus? |
| 05:01.34 | TheMasterMind1 | mount -o nolock -t nfs server:/mnt/ /mnt/nfs |
| 05:02.05 | TDT | TheMasterMind1: can I just put that into /etc/fstab (if it exists)? |
| 05:02.47 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 05:03.41 | TDT | I have to say I don't like opera's browser much |
| 05:08.45 | noda | I don't like konqueror much either, but I prefer it (since it's open-source) |
| 05:09.58 | noda | Hrm. Even if I make these packages using *tar* it doesn't work. |
| 05:13.22 | TDT | wow, the zaurus gets nice and warm lol |
| 05:13.33 | TDT | yeah, I would love to see mozilla on this. |
| 05:13.42 | TDT | just a mini mozilla. |
| 05:13.53 | rabbit_uk_ | mini mini mozilla |
| 05:13.54 | noda | TDT: That's a LOT of a thing to ask :) |
| 05:14.01 | noda | It would have to be mini mini mini mini :) |
| 05:14.08 | TDT | noda: lol, but it would rock :P |
| 05:14.17 | noda | Maybe a gecko-based browser isn't outside the realm of possibility, but mozilla probably is for now :) |
| 05:14.37 | noda | The mozilla source would have to be *slaughtered* :) |
| 05:14.48 | rabbit_uk_ | ne1 know if lynx is ported? |
| 05:15.02 | treke|home | mini mozilla? |
| 05:15.12 | treke|home | that's like saying you want a pocket sided godzilla |
| 05:15.35 | treke|home | as for links, you can get it from debian |
| 05:15.42 | treke|home | lynx is crap :) |
| 05:15.54 | rabbit_uk_ | ah, but it's quick. |
| 05:16.25 | treke|home | links is just as quick, and renders tables reasonably |
| 05:18.12 | noda | lynx isn't crap :) |
| 05:19.00 | TDT | lynx is pretty good - I like it. |
| 05:19.04 | TDT | better than opera |
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| 05:28.10 | TDT | This may be a bit offtopic...but i relates quite highly with the zaurus. I am trying to mount NFS drives, but I don't want to mount them as nfsnobody. Is there a way I can mount them with certain permissions (such as another UID/Pass)? |
| 05:35.43 | TDT | lol, time for me to go to bed. I think I'm gonna like this zaurus much more now that I got it to work fairly well. All that needs to be done now is get an IM client going lol. Good night all. |
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| 06:07.31 | anurkhet|Zaurus | l8r all :) |
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| 06:38.22 | Nord4Sale | gahh....still the same topic! |
| 06:51.09 | Com[Plex | *sigh* |
| 06:51.11 | Com[Plex | any calls? |
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| 06:54.02 | Nord4Sale | calls? |
| 06:55.54 | Com[Plex | heh, yeah,... |
| 06:55.59 | Com[Plex | whats new? |
| 06:56.48 | Com[Plex | hey tdt.. uh.. nm Ill message you |
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| 07:04.02 | Com[Plex | hey guys, coudl someone confirjm something for me? |
| 07:04.29 | Com[Plex | cvan yoyu mount an NT share from a zaurus using mount -t smbfs ? |
| 07:04.35 | Com[Plex | ie " mount -t smbfs -o username=administrator,password=youknow //192.168.101.166/c$ /mnt/smbfs " |
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| 07:19.20 | Com[Plex | *sigh* |
| 07:23.38 | Com[Plex | ibot whasts 1$ in euros? |
| 07:23.39 | | Com[Plex: are you smoking crack? |
| 07:24.05 | Com[Plex | ibot how much is 1 usd in euros? |
| 07:24.07 | | Com[Plex: what are you talking about? |
| 07:24.14 | Com[Plex | does ibot do exchange rates? |
| 07:26.00 | Nord4Sale | lol |
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| 08:17.46 | frankps | morning all |
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| 08:46.14 | BZFlag | Com[Plex: yes. |
| 08:46.29 | BZFlag | ~change 1 usd to eur |
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| 09:07.23 | Piete | hey all |
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| 09:29.49 | Piete | hey XavierXeon |
| 09:41.57 | XavierXeon | hi Piete{afk} |
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| 09:51.05 | NoRemorse | hello |
| 09:51.29 | NoRemorse | My zaurus regularly hangs when I reboot it and the only way to get it to start again is remove the battery but it loses all settings? |
| 09:51.33 | NoRemorse | is there a bios fix? |
| 09:52.28 | XX|cpp | i think there there is no bios at all to fix |
| 09:52.38 | NoRemorse | is there a rom update fix.... |
| 09:53.18 | XX|cpp | i had the same problem with sharp rom, but crow rom works fine, so if you have a sd card .... |
| 09:53.33 | NoRemorse | yep I got a sd card |
| 09:54.02 | XX|cpp | well then try crow rom |
| 09:54.22 | NoRemorse | hmm havent even heard of crow rom! |
| 09:54.31 | NoRemorse | it isnt oz is it? |
| 09:55.41 | XX|cpp | its a "sharp" rom that uses the sd card as /home thus giving you real 64 MB memory |
| 09:56.11 | NoRemorse | ah!!!! very cool can I have a url please? |
| 09:56.19 | XX|cpp | ibot crow |
| 09:56.20 | | no idea, XX|cpp |
| 09:56.22 | NoRemorse | and does the WHOLE sd card have to get wiped to set it up? |
| 09:56.27 | XX|cpp | ibot crow rom |
| 09:56.28 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, XX|cpp |
| 09:58.17 | XX|cpp | http://www.schwag.org/~crow/ |
| 09:58.26 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 09:59.45 | XX|cpp | ibot crow rom is http://www.schwag.org/~crow/ |
| 09:59.46 | | okay, XX|cpp |
| 09:59.51 | XX|cpp | ibot crow rom |
| 09:59.52 | | [crow rom] http://www.schwag.org/~crow/ |
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| 10:01.36 | trilluser | is this programming for a sharp handheld device? |
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| 10:30.33 | NoRemorse | hi has anyone had any problems with toshiba 128MB sdram and crow rom please? |
| 10:31.44 | XavierXeon | NoRemorse: some cards like my sandisk can not be formated ext2. dont know why |
| 10:33.24 | NoRemorse | yeah I seem to recall that exact problem with the toshiba I suppose I can try? |
| 10:33.35 | NoRemorse | I think it was just that I would always get fsck errors when rebooting? |
| 10:34.31 | XavierXeon | you get some, but if the screen shows erros for about 2 min then your card is no good |
| 10:35.24 | NoRemorse | on the format you mean? |
| 10:36.38 | XavierXeon | i ahve to sd cards : a lexar which works fine with ext2 and a sandisk which i can format on my px to ext2 but which just gives my input/output errors instead of data storage |
| 10:36.58 | NoRemorse | yeah crow's page says not to use sandisk |
| 10:36.58 | XavierXeon | if i try to format it on the Z it does so but mints as vfat afterwards |
| 10:39.01 | NoRemorse | I cant beleive my 128 SD was full.. hehe time for a pruge anyway |
| 10:39.17 | NoRemorse | anyone sucessfully compiled pptpclient ont Z ? |
| 10:43.10 | NoRemorse | has anyone actually been able to press ful reset while holding C and D keys By THEMSELVES? |
| 10:43.16 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 10:44.28 | XavierXeon | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/main/flash.html |
| 10:44.33 | XavierXeon | i can prove it :) |
| 10:49.34 | NoRemorse | hehe well done |
| 10:57.29 | NoRemorse | is it ok to "restore" a backup done on the old rom to crow rom?! |
| 10:57.38 | NoRemorse | will I wipe any of the newer stuff? |
| 10:58.18 | XavierXeon | dont know |
| 10:58.56 | NoRemorse | hehe I will try |
| 11:00.47 | NoRemorse | argh how do I get my backup on it? whats the ftp port again pleaSE? |
| 11:01.03 | NoRemorse | ah dont worry I'll copy it to my flash card with a pcmcia converter |
| 11:01.53 | XavierXeon | ftp port is 4242 |
| 11:03.02 | NoRemorse | ta |
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| 11:16.47 | SillyZ | mornin |
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| 11:26.11 | Twiun | yo |
| 11:34.45 | SillyZ | mornin Twiun |
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| 11:37.44 | Twiun | hey SillyZ, mark |
| 11:38.00 | SillyZ | Twiun: q: how does one use the jeode creator ? |
| 11:38.23 | mark | hi Twiun |
| 11:38.32 | Twiun | SillyZ: afaik, you install it on a Z with a Sharp ROM, run it and take the generated ipk file off your cf card |
| 11:38.48 | SillyZ | hmm |
| 11:39.07 | mark | my CF writer aint working :( |
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| 11:41.31 | George- | hello |
| 11:41.38 | George- | Finally got my pseudo-desktop to work :) |
| 11:41.58 | mark | hi George- |
| 11:42.11 | George- | hi mark |
| 11:44.19 | Twiun | mark: so no flashing your Z for a while, eh? |
| 11:44.41 | George- | mark: what's up with your Z? |
| 11:45.18 | mark | Twiun: no, although there was luckily a initrd.bin and zImage on the drive |
| 11:45.33 | Twiun | hehehe |
| 11:46.11 | mark | bloody cheap rubbish taiwanese CF reader |
| 11:46.29 | Twiun | hehe |
| 11:46.36 | mark | how are you meant to use these things with linux? |
| 11:46.38 | George- | mark: hahaha |
| 11:46.40 | George- | sorry :) |
| 11:46.51 | mark | i've got a /dev/sda .. |
| 11:47.13 | George- | oh yeh, and don't insult the taiwanese |
| 11:47.15 | George- | =P |
| 11:47.27 | mark | i didn't. its a cheap rubbish taiwanese CF reader |
| 11:47.31 | George- | lol |
| 11:47.54 | mark | now how do I use one of these jobbies with linux? |
| 11:48.01 | George- | ? |
| 11:48.56 | mark | the reader. i've plugged it in, hotplugs got it and i have a /dev/sda. now what? |
| 11:49.33 | George- | mount /dev/sda1 <mountpoint> |
| 11:49.36 | George- | *duh* :) |
| 11:49.40 | mark | very well if i had a /dev/sda1 |
| 11:49.41 | mark | which i dont |
| 11:49.47 | George- | when you insert a card... |
| 11:49.53 | mark | which i have |
| 11:49.57 | George- | strange |
| 11:50.07 | George- | you should have got a linux-compatible one :) |
| 11:50.16 | mark | its not mine |
| 11:50.23 | mark | and they're all meant to work |
| 11:50.59 | George- | *meant* to |
| 11:51.26 | mark | hmm, i can't even cat /dev/a |
| 11:51.28 | mark | /dev/sda |
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| 11:54.00 | mark | ' no medium found' |
| 11:54.00 | mark | grr |
| 11:54.15 | mark | and /dev/sdb is an input output error |
| 11:54.15 | mark | grr |
| 11:55.51 | mark | grr openzaurus.org is slooow |
| 11:56.27 | George- | mark: I'm on bloody 56k, stop whining |
| 11:56.39 | mark | George-: no, its taken about 10 minutes to load |
| 11:56.39 | Twiun | rofl |
| 11:56.49 | mark | timed out |
| 11:57.13 | George- | mark: perhaps it's not pointing to the correct IP? |
| 11:57.22 | mark | George-: it is, the server is just being an arse |
| 11:57.26 | George- | oh right |
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| 12:19.41 | George- | Hello |
| 12:24.22 | mark | hi George- |
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| 12:48.41 | SillyZ | anyone remember if its zaurus-fbvncserver or is it fbvncserver-oz |
| 12:48.43 | SillyZ | ?? |
| 13:01.58 | mark | ibot: oz toolchain |
| 13:02.03 | | i guess oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 13:04.24 | mark | ibot: do my math homework for me |
| 13:04.25 | | mark: bugger all, i dunno |
| 13:05.46 | Piete | lol |
| 13:06.00 | Bovine | bloody useless thing |
| 13:06.04 | Bovine | ibot your crap |
| 13:06.05 | | Bovine: i haven't a clue |
| 13:06.09 | Bovine | ibot sucks |
| 13:06.10 | | If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 13:06.21 | Bovine | ... |
| 13:08.28 | Bovine | oi |
| 13:08.29 | Bovine | :P |
| 13:11.08 | Piete | ibot be zippy |
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| 13:14.50 | mark | calculus sucks |
| 13:14.55 | mark | i need mathmatica :p |
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| 13:28.21 | George- | mark: I have Maple =P |
| 13:28.35 | George- | Er.. |
| 13:28.39 | George- | MathCad |
| 13:28.39 | George- | lol |
| 13:29.12 | mark | me too. mathmatica is mjuch better for what i want |
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| 13:56.14 | mark | can anyone better at algebra than me tell me what (2x - x^2)/(1-x)^2 equals? |
| 13:58.00 | ibz | erm, mark, that's just a division, with no assignment...does that expression equal anything? then we can work out the value of x. |
| 13:58.55 | mark | ibz: no, its the result of a differenciation, i just wanna express it in simpler terms than that |
| 14:00.37 | ibz | mark: you could take an x out of the top part...x(2 -x) |
| 14:01.08 | mark | according to my answer book it goes to -1 + 1/(1-x)^2, but i dont see how they get there |
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| 14:03.11 | Pendalar | x^3/-x^2 ? |
| 14:03.25 | Pendalar | not sure I'd have to break out my ti89 as it's been a few years |
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| 14:04.00 | fsa1gt | hi |
| 14:04.09 | Piete | heya |
| 14:04.43 | Pendalar | you sure you want that d'd ? |
| 14:04.50 | Pendalar | looks like you need the reverse |
| 14:05.09 | Pendalar | see if it says 'this is the d. what is the intergration?' |
| 14:05.23 | Pendalar | because that's already a d.. unless they want a 2 level.. |
| 14:05.34 | mark | Pendalar: nah, its an exercise in d'd'ing stuff using the quotient rule |
| 14:06.13 | Pendalar | well the d of that is -2/((x-1)^3) |
| 14:06.47 | mark | Pendalar: what i gave u was what i've got after d' something the question |
| 14:07.17 | Pendalar | ah |
| 14:07.22 | Pendalar | ok I get what you need then |
| 14:07.27 | Pendalar | sorry I just woke up |
| 14:07.30 | mark | Pendalar: hehe |
| 14:07.42 | mark | i just need to simplify that down. it doesnt really matter, i just dont like leaving answers looking messy |
| 14:08.22 | Pendalar | well I see the -x for sure |
| 14:08.57 | Pendalar | if your answer is right, that's prob as far as it goes |
| 14:11.24 | Pendalar | although if yer slightly wrong a lot would factor out ;-) |
| 14:11.32 | mark | heeh |
| 14:11.40 | mark | i should get a ti89 |
| 14:11.44 | mark | but they're banned for my exams |
| 14:11.50 | Pendalar | yep makes cheating a bit faster |
| 14:12.08 | Pendalar | I loaded up a compressed version of my economics text book in college |
| 14:12.17 | Pendalar | did pretty good on the final |
| 14:12.32 | Pendalar | considering I made a 15 on the midterm (yes out of 100) |
| 14:12.38 | Piete | how about Zauruses, are they banned too? |
| 14:12.43 | Piete | :P |
| 14:12.44 | Pendalar | yes |
| 14:12.48 | Piete | awwww, noooo |
| 14:12.50 | Piete | lol |
| 14:12.52 | mark | Pendalar: hehe |
| 14:12.55 | Pendalar | anything with a qwerty keyboard is def. out |
| 14:13.04 | Piete | how about dvorak? |
| 14:13.04 | Pendalar | like the ti92 |
| 14:13.06 | mark | anything with a touch screen is out too here |
| 14:13.16 | Pendalar | dvorak should be fine depending on the teacher |
| 14:13.21 | mark | anything that does symbollic diff.. |
| 14:13.25 | Piete | I can just unload the touch screen module, and remap the keyboard :) |
| 14:13.31 | mark | Piete: hehe |
| 14:13.33 | Piete | hehe |
| 14:13.37 | Pendalar | I don't see what the thing about qwerty is.. I can cheat with a abc keyboard |
| 14:13.47 | Pendalar | and ti85 is just as good for cheating |
| 14:13.52 | Pendalar | text is text =-/ |
| 14:14.27 | Pendalar | welp guys, got to run... tc all |
| 14:15.16 | Piete | damn, this PDA is sexy :D |
| 14:21.10 | mark | Piete: dont get too excited |
| 14:23.08 | Piete | erm.. heh |
| 14:23.09 | Piete | lol |
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| 14:24.01 | George- | moo |
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| 14:27.02 | George- | Blah |
| 14:27.05 | George- | on a decent computer :) |
| 14:29.13 | George- | I really...really like geramik :) |
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| 14:40.02 | _AleX_ | just a litte question : my Z has crash .. if i push just the reset button, i'll lose my data or just do a hard reboot ? |
| 14:40.26 | mark | _AleX_: flip the battery replace switch back and forward |
| 14:40.27 | mark | and turn on again |
| 14:40.31 | mark | that'll do a soft reset |
| 14:40.45 | _AleX_ | oki thanx i'll try.. |
| 14:42.45 | _AleX_ | mark: i must remove the battery, or push the reset ? |
| 14:42.58 | mark | _AleX_: just flip the switch back and forward |
| 14:43.03 | _AleX_ | sorry but english is not my primary langage |
| 14:43.12 | mark | pushing reset will loose your data |
| 14:43.28 | mark | _AleX_: the 'normal operation/replace battery' switch |
| 14:44.18 | _AleX_ | i must poweron when the switch is on replace battery ? |
| 14:44.53 | mark | _AleX_: no, you just move the switch to 'replace battery', then move it back to 'normal operation' then turn on |
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| 14:45.16 | _AleX_ | mark: no reset |
| 14:45.27 | _AleX_ | mark: the Z don't do a cold reset |
| 14:45.43 | _AleX_ | perpetualy continue to try to open many soft |
| 14:46.23 | _AleX_ | seen to be a problem with the touch screen |
| 14:46.29 | kybu | does anybody have experience with fullscreen mode? |
| 14:46.46 | mark | kybu: whats ur prob? |
| 14:47.06 | _AleX_ | mark: if i remove the battery, replace its, and boot ... i lose my data ? |
| 14:47.30 | mark | _AleX_: dont think so |
| 14:47.33 | kybu | i tryed that from eon games page but the bottom part of qpe(taks bar or what is it) shows, when i choose something from the menu |
| 14:47.35 | _AleX_ | mark: like a low battery |
| 14:47.59 | kybu | and i can't get rif of it |
| 14:48.04 | kybu | rid |
| 14:48.35 | mark | _AleX_: as long as ur backup battery is charged it should be fine |
| 14:48.51 | _AleX_ | mark: it's ok now |
| 14:49.01 | _AleX_ | Z had stop to try to launch soft |
| 14:49.06 | _AleX_ | mark: thanx |
| 14:49.15 | _AleX_ | i'll do a backup now...... |
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| 15:24.07 | Piete | nite |
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| 15:26.11 | fsa1gt | bye |
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| 15:46.36 | mark_ | anyone have a pocketpc device? |
| 15:46.49 | TheMasterMind1 | ppc = evil |
| 15:47.01 | mark_ | TheMasterMind1: i know. |
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| 15:47.32 | mark_ | TheMasterMind1: that a no then? |
| 15:47.38 | mark_ | i need someone to check out a game for me |
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| 15:48.09 | George- | TheMasterMind1: PowerPC is not evil =P |
| 15:48.12 | TheMasterMind1 | nope, not me |
| 15:48.37 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:06.59 | TDT | Is the zaurus always run as root? Would it be safe to use an IRC client for the zaurus? or would being logged in as root cause considerable risk? Also, what is the site for free zaurus programs? I can't remember it off hand. |
| 16:07.41 | oya3un | killefiz.de |
| 16:08.08 | TDT | ty oya3un. |
| 16:08.47 | Twiun | TDT: there are efforts underway to get OZ to run as a normal user... but yeah, root is what Sharp lumbered us with |
| 16:09.13 | TDT | dang...too bad sharp went with the easy way of programmign the zaurus. |
| 16:09.32 | TDT | I would have rather had a regular user...I don't like coming on IRC as root for various reasons. |
| 16:09.38 | Twiun | lol |
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| 16:12.06 | TDT | winconnectZ looks really cool |
| 16:12.19 | TDT | too bad "thekompany" doesn't make this stuff free. |
| 16:13.08 | chouimat | hi Twiun |
| 16:13.37 | ljp | then they wouldnt be a company if they released things for free |
| 16:14.04 | mark_ | ljp: i hear -lclone ain't working too well atm - whats up? |
| 16:14.10 | chouimat | ljp: people don't understand how much work is to produce a software |
| 16:14.39 | ljp | oh, -lclone works just finely |
| 16:15.35 | TDT | chouimat: I've been programming for 10 years, and created a lot of software that I give out for free. |
| 16:15.48 | TDT | chouimat: I"m well versed in the work, but I don't sell my stuff. |
| 16:16.01 | ljp | tkc does have free software.. even gpl'd ware |
| 16:16.13 | chouimat | TDT: I don't sell my stuff, i sell my expertise |
| 16:17.07 | TDT | chouimat: so programmer for hire you are I suppose. I like working mostly alone, and I build programs for free. I'll work for people if they want to hire me on programming specific stuff. |
| 16:17.18 | TDT | chouimat: But generally I like to help people more than make the buck. |
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| 16:21.35 | mark_ | any Koreans about? |
| 16:21.46 | chouimat | TDT: me too but that don't pay the rent |
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| 16:22.20 | KotH | re |
| 16:22.22 | TDT | chouimat: Nope, nor will you get rich off of giving stuff away, but once you make enough to make your rent, then the 2nd priority should be helping people. |
| 16:22.47 | TDT | chouimat: I'm still in college, so I don't have to worry about this yet, but I will continue making free software no matter what. |
| 16:22.50 | chouimat | TDT: now I do a free version and a commercial one with more option |
| 16:24.25 | TDT | chouimat: That's fine...I don't like companies that just make pay software and nothing free. |
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| 16:25.13 | chouimat | TDT: and optional yearly support package |
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| 16:51.00 | TDT | anyone try the palm os emulator? |
| 16:51.13 | mark_ | TDT: its slow on newer palm roms |
| 16:51.43 | TDT | what abou an older palm...like lets say the Palm 3? |
| 16:51.49 | mark_ | usable |
| 16:52.12 | TDT | That's what I had before the zaurus..if I could use some of the apps I used on my palm, I would be happy. |
| 16:52.23 | mark_ | has anyone seen catalin about actually? |
| 16:56.31 | mrwoody | i would like to port a software that need curses.h, that is not provided in arm-linux. What is the best way to do that |
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| 16:59.34 | chouimat | mrwoody: ncurses.h |
| 17:00.26 | mrwoody | hi chouimat! shall i use ncurses.h instead of curses.h? |
| 17:00.35 | chouimat | mrwoody: yes |
| 17:00.44 | mrwoody | ok thanks |
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| 17:02.19 | TDT | wow, you're right, it is slow |
| 17:02.28 | TDT | I get a memory error too when running it. |
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| 17:04.18 | mrwoody | chouimat: where do i get ncurses.h so that it works with arm-linux-gcc? |
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| 17:05.39 | chouimat | mrwoody: try to crosscompile it or get it from oz buildroot |
| 17:08.34 | TDT | chouimat: maybe you would know this...is there places (tutorials, help files, sites, so on), that go over programming for the zaurus? Like lets say in JAVA and/or c++, covering compiling on the zaurus, cross compiling, etc? |
| 17:09.22 | ZhEN | cybersystem nope - just checking to make sure the chan is listed right on the site |
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| 17:14.45 | XavierXeon | new opie-irc works |
| 17:15.01 | bill2or3 | new? |
| 17:15.20 | XavierXeon | i installed the one from the unstable feed |
| 17:15.22 | TheMasterMind1 | works |
| 17:15.23 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 17:15.25 | TheMasterMind1 | as in doesn't crash? |
| 17:15.31 | TheMasterMind1 | and doesn't do weird scrolling ustff? |
| 17:15.37 | XavierXeon | looks like it |
| 17:15.41 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 17:15.56 | TheMasterMind1 | can someone test out opie-formatter see whats up with it |
| 17:16.05 | TheMasterMind1 | run it from console and see why it fails or whatever |
| 17:16.15 | bill2or3 | does it support channel keys? |
| 17:16.20 | XavierXeon | i dont have anything to format |
| 17:16.38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:16.43 | TheMasterMind1 | that could be a problem |
| 17:16.43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 17:19.03 | XavierXeon | going to check out "real life" now :) |
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| 17:19.13 | George- | Any mac fanatics here? |
| 17:19.54 | JohaBBa | George-: ick |
| 17:20.05 | George- | hrmm? |
| 17:20.16 | George- | I wanna know if Toast does packet writing :) |
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| 17:22.17 | mark_ | George-: mac's suck |
| 17:22.37 | Com[Plex | George-: I dont think so |
| 17:22.44 | George- | mark_: No they don't |
| 17:22.47 | Com[Plex | have you ever seen toast? its not very robust |
| 17:22.48 | George- | mark_: I like my TiBook |
| 17:22.49 | mark_ | :) |
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| 17:22.56 | George- | Com[Plex: ? |
| 17:23.16 | Com[Plex | yeah, I got a friend who has a mac. and it wouldnt burn much. |
| 17:23.43 | Com[Plex | finding where anything was on the thing was a pain in the neck. not very intuitive. |
| 17:24.42 | JohaBBa | i dunno...mebbe try #maxsuk |
| 17:24.52 | JohaBBa | i hear it's a great chan. |
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| 17:25.12 | Com[Plex | *sigh* |
| 17:25.25 | mark_ | JohaBBa: hehe |
| 17:25.26 | Com[Plex | JohaBBa: he didnt come here to get bashed |
| 17:25.37 | JohaBBa | Com[Plex: i was just kidding |
| 17:25.38 | mark_ | Com[Plex: yeah he did :) |
| 17:25.46 | JohaBBa | lol@mark_ |
| 17:26.23 | JohaBBa | George-: honestly, the product's website should have a listing of all it's features. |
| 17:27.02 | JohaBBa | and i do believe that mac's and/or cd-r software would be offtopic |
| 17:27.14 | Com[Plex | woopty friggin do |
| 17:27.39 | Com[Plex | topiic? when the hell does it matter that people stay on topic in irc? |
| 17:27.40 | mark_ | most of what goes on in here is OT |
| 17:27.52 | Com[Plex | ty |
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| 17:29.08 | Com[Plex | I cant wait to get my zaurus back... I hope the people at sharp dont mind the paintjob.. |
| 17:29.31 | JohaBBa | ....paintjob? |
| 17:29.32 | Com[Plex | speaking of wich. does anyone here have a zaurus, with a busted lcd or digitizer? |
| 17:29.34 | mark_ | Com[Plex: what colours yours? |
| 17:29.39 | Com[Plex | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 17:29.47 | mark_ | ah right your that one |
| 17:30.02 | Com[Plex | heh. uh. yeah. im that one |
| 17:30.07 | George- | well, I've just bought it, and I'm very happy with it |
| 17:30.07 | mark_ | ;-) |
| 17:30.10 | ljp | Com[Plex: kergoth has one with the digitizer cracked |
| 17:30.14 | George- | Just wondering whether it can do packet writing :) |
| 17:30.54 | JohaBBa | com[:too too sweet....what did you paint that with? |
| 17:31.03 | Com[Plex | george. Im sure there is a better burner app out there. try "#machelp" on efnet |
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| 17:31.24 | Com[Plex | Ill bet kergoth can get his fixed. or he probably just sshs into it anyway |
| 17:31.45 | JohaBBa | George-: this is a chan about a Linux based PDA...you won't find much mac help here |
| 17:32.03 | George- | JohaBBa: I know, but I know a few ppl in here have macs |
| 17:32.03 | Com[Plex | joh: I painted it with an auto touchupo paint. in a can. - my first mistake: my second mistake was in not using a plastic primer sealer |
| 17:32.05 | mark_ | JohaBBa: he knows what this channel is about |
| 17:32.07 | TheMasterMind1 | eroast is a great linux burner |
| 17:32.09 | George- | such as darienm, BigBoss etc |
| 17:32.24 | George- | TheMasterMind1: I like cdbakeoven |
| 17:32.34 | Com[Plex | alot of the paiunt had chipped off on the back and sides. |
| 17:32.43 | JohaBBa | hrm..... |
| 17:32.49 | Com[Plex | I was gonna paint it again with a new color - but then it died./ |
| 17:32.52 | JohaBBa | i could see some black clearcoat.... |
| 17:33.05 | mark_ | JohaBBa: there is a lot of expertese about a lot of stuff here, there is no harm in asking when there is no on topic conversation going on |
| 17:33.28 | JohaBBa | com]: it' died because you painted??? |
| 17:33.42 | George- | mark_: I can't believe you're sticking up for me |
| 17:33.46 | George- | mark_: rofl |
| 17:33.56 | Com[Plex | I was also thinking of stripping off all the paint and having a shiny black z. but that would take a lot of work, plus, I would have to sand the plasatic, because it would ,melt when I stripped it.. |
| 17:34.12 | Com[Plex | no JohaBBa: it died because I flashed a corrupt rom to it |
| 17:34.16 | JohaBBa | mark_: yeah, but he's already asked 3 times and was referred to a mac help chan...i think we're allowed to bash after that.... |
| 17:34.32 | mark_ | JohaBBa: i don't. |
| 17:34.43 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 17:34.51 | JohaBBa | mark_: then i guess we'll agree to disagree. |
| 17:34.57 | mark_ | he's a regular here, you are not. |
| 17:34.58 | Com[Plex | hes not asking anymore. he was just stating why he asked. |
| 17:34.58 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 17:35.09 | Com[Plex | hey now, this is off topic!! |
| 17:35.09 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 17:35.13 | mark_ | Com[Plex: :) |
| 17:35.19 | JohaBBa | lol@com[plex |
| 17:35.42 | George- | JohaBBa: I asked three times/!?!?!? |
| 17:35.46 | George- | JohaBBa: wtf? |
| 17:35.49 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 17:36.13 | Com[Plex | http://me.256k.net/getalife.gif |
| 17:36.20 | Dilb | hi |
| 17:36.58 | JohaBBa | George-: yes, you asked about or referred to max 3 times ;P |
| 17:37.20 | Com[Plex | hiya dilb |
| 17:37.35 | mark_ | which has a higher boiling point? HF OR CH4? |
| 17:37.59 | Com[Plex | uh.. |
| 17:38.11 | Com[Plex | hellifino |
| 17:38.24 | mark_ | hehe |
| 17:38.35 | SillyZ | heya Com[Plex |
| 17:38.41 | SillyZ | were you still needing someone on a sharp rom ? |
| 17:38.43 | mark_ | i reckon its HF, hydrogen bonding an all |
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| 17:38.56 | JohaBBa | Com[Plex: that is a really nice paint job |
| 17:40.50 | SillyZ | << Just added a 256mb CF and a 64mb SD |
| 17:41.09 | Com[Plex | yeah SillyZ: actually |
| 17:41.12 | SillyZ | Im thinkin bout reflashing so theres more system memory available for applications and less for storage, then install everything to /mnt/cf |
| 17:41.24 | SillyZ | Com[Plex: what'd ya need off the sharp rom ?? |
| 17:41.38 | Com[Plex | well silly, might I reccomend you use your SD card for installing apps |
| 17:41.48 | TheMasterMind1 | SillyZ: can't install to a vfat cf card, but you also can't flash with a non-vfat cf card |
| 17:41.51 | SillyZ | isntall apps on the SD ? |
| 17:41.53 | Com[Plex | - format it for ext2fs. leave your cf card as fat |
| 17:42.00 | SillyZ | aye |
| 17:42.02 | SillyZ | Ive got 2 CF's |
| 17:42.07 | TheMasterMind1 | ah ok |
| 17:42.11 | TheMasterMind1 | then you're set |
| 17:42.15 | Com[Plex | still.. |
| 17:42.22 | SillyZ | so the 256 will be ext2 and the 64 ( Used in the Digitial camera anyway ) will be fat12 |
| 17:42.42 | Com[Plex | if you finstall all your apps to CF, then you get a CF nic or something, once you unplug the cf card with all your apps on it, it flakes out |
| 17:42.52 | George- | ibot ti85 rom |
| 17:42.52 | | somebody said ti85 rom was http://www.lofi-gaming.org.uk/emulation/essentialfiles.shtml |
| 17:42.52 | SillyZ | then the SD is ext2 and will be for apps and crap |
| 17:42.57 | George- | thanks ibot |
| 17:43.00 | Com[Plex | fat12? |
| 17:43.06 | SillyZ | Com[Plex: what'd ya need on the sharp rom ?? |
| 17:43.25 | mark_ | George-: i hope ur not about to steal a rom :P |
| 17:43.31 | Com[Plex | silly, I need someone on the sharop riom to run that operacreator again to verify it. |
| 17:44.01 | George- | mark_: of course not |
| 17:44.04 | SillyZ | sure , I can do that, Im gonna reflash anyway to allow for more system memory to be available, so ill pop the sharp rom on for a bit and try your creator |
| 17:44.10 | George- | lol |
| 17:44.12 | George- | j/k |
| 17:44.24 | SillyZ | send me the creator Com[Plex |
| 17:44.31 | Com[Plex | uno momento |
| 17:44.44 | SillyZ | can ya email it to me in the mean time while I flash ? |
| 17:44.50 | SillyZ | sillyz@mandrake.kicks-ass.net |
| 17:45.02 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex: any idea why hancomsheet binary is hancomsheet and the others are HancomMobileWord and HancomPresenterViewer ? |
| 17:45.06 | TheMasterMind1 | quite weird |
| 17:45.18 | chouimat | thanks George- I needed a mac rom for basilik2 |
| 17:45.19 | SillyZ | oh and btw whytenoize and I have got AUTOMAGIC scripts for setting up the Pc's network settings (usb) and the Z's w/ internet access |
| 17:45.30 | George- | chouimat: LOL |
| 17:45.33 | Com[Plex | uh.. maybe they were being careless? |
| 17:45.39 | JohaBBa | SillyZ: you going back to sharp? |
| 17:45.39 | TheMasterMind1 | SillyZ: nice, addd a faq entry and give links to your scripts |
| 17:45.46 | Com[Plex | your talking about the capitol s right? |
| 17:45.53 | chouimat | George-: you don't have macos 8.1 by chance? |
| 17:46.03 | George- | chouimat: only macos 9.2 and macos x |
| 17:46.09 | George- | (jaguar and 10.1) |
| 17:46.47 | Com[Plex | SillyZ: message sent |
| 17:47.03 | chouimat | ok i will go with 7.5.3 |
| 17:47.08 | SillyZ | ko |
| 17:47.18 | SillyZ | TheMasterMind1: aye I will , Im working up an installation script for it |
| 17:47.51 | SillyZ | flashing to sharp 2.38 now |
| 17:48.32 | Com[Plex | sillyz, this will create a new file in your /home/root/Documents nfolder, called opera-1.nn.ipk or something. that should be about 1.2-1.6 megs. could you DCC that to me when you get it? |
| 17:48.39 | SillyZ | Com[Plex: ... go pmsg |
| 17:48.44 | Com[Plex | I dont mind if it takes all day |
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| 18:05.04 | ZzzGogo | rehh |
| 18:05.13 | ZzzGogo | evening... |
| 18:06.52 | chouimat|away | George-: whereis the ti85 emu? |
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| 18:13.34 | TheMasterMind1 | on zsi |
| 18:18.31 | JohaBBa | SillyZ: your script works on suse and mandrake....i'm going to try to patch RH8 and then try it there too |
| 18:22.14 | TheMasterMind1 | SillyZ: your script uses usbdnet? |
| 18:23.12 | SillyZ | kewl |
| 18:23.14 | SillyZ | yes |
| 18:23.29 | SillyZ | its actually in net.agent, and usb.agent where the real work is done |
| 18:25.25 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, wonderful |
| 18:25.38 | George- | gtg |
| 18:25.39 | George- | cu |
| 18:25.52 | TheMasterMind1 | SillyZ: works on debian too? |
| 18:28.12 | SillyZ | dunno dont have debian but I would assume it would |
| 18:28.30 | SillyZ | lemme get this operacreator done for Com[Plex and Ill start working on the automagic scripts |
| 18:29.01 | Com[Plex | any luck running that sillz? |
| 18:29.06 | JohaBBa | i really wish i didn't have to patch the kernel on RH...but here goes........ |
| 18:29.57 | SillyZ | TheMasterMind1: w/ 256CF and 64SD, Im debating on which rom image to use, I was thinking something w/ a little less storage capacity and more system memory available |
| 18:30.36 | SillyZ | any ideas if its possible to literally move the /home to the CF or SD and leave it there ?? |
| 18:30.41 | Com[Plex | sillyz: In use oz3, with the 32mb ram 0 storage zImage file for my 5000d |
| 18:30.56 | TheMasterMind1 | SillyZ: yes it is, there's an faq item on it |
| 18:31.02 | SillyZ | I was thinking more like 48 / 16 |
| 18:31.11 | Com[Plex | if you do that, then you will have no problem with memory or space |
| 18:31.13 | SillyZ | or 64 / 0 |
| 18:31.36 | JohaBBa | SillyZ: try 64/0 then apps on CD/SD... |
| 18:31.36 | Com[Plex | seriously, the only app IO had trouble with memory with, was opieplayer2, and now that I have the 32/0 rom, I have no memory issues |
| 18:32.02 | Com[Plex | just keep your SD card in at all time,s, format it for ext2fs, and install all apps to it exclusively. |
| 18:32.06 | SillyZ | Anyone know the actual transfer rate of CF vs SD |
| 18:32.37 | Com[Plex | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=debian+guide+to+installing+ppoe+ |
| 18:32.51 | Com[Plex | wrong window |
| 18:33.07 | Com[Plex | sillyz, SD is almost as fastr as MMC, wich is almost as fast as cf. |
| 18:33.26 | Com[Plex | or maybe its sd is a little faster than mmc, but not quite as fast as cf |
| 18:33.44 | Com[Plex | but, I dont notice a lag when running any apops from sd. |
| 18:33.48 | Com[Plex | apps |
| 18:34.00 | Com[Plex | cept for mayke those 130k tkc splash screens. lol |
| 18:34.07 | Com[Plex | jk bigboss |
| 18:35.01 | TheMasterMind1 | sd is only slow for writes |
| 18:35.04 | TheMasterMind1 | and its not that slow |
| 18:35.34 | SillyZ | hehehehe |
| 18:35.47 | Com[Plex | tmm, yeah, thanks |
| 18:35.51 | JohaBBa | sd is fastest...mmc is second...cf is last, but you can get 1x-4x cf |
| 18:36.00 | JohaBBa | 4x cf is almost as fast as mmc |
| 18:36.11 | Com[Plex | uh.... |
| 18:36.21 | Com[Plex | can anyone confiirm that? |
| 18:36.59 | SillyZ | ok working on the creator now |
| 18:37.27 | SillyZ | whats the binary script I need to execute Com[Plex ?? |
| 18:37.34 | mark_ | {standard input}:606: Warning: rest of line ignored; first ignored character is `@' - erm waht? |
| 18:37.46 | Com[Plex | uh.. "qinstall" |
| 18:38.52 | SillyZ | wow |
| 18:39.06 | SillyZ | screen went all haywire when I actiavated it |
| 18:39.37 | mark_ | will the oz toolchain run on a gcc 3.2 system? |
| 18:41.32 | TheMasterMind1 | should |
| 18:42.00 | mark_ | i want the 2.9 one yah if i want apps to run on Sharp ROM yeh? |
| 18:42.07 | mark_ | not 3.2 coz i'm runin it on a 3.2 system.. |
| 18:48.49 | TheMasterMind1 | can someone tell me when patch returns 256? |
| 18:48.53 | TheMasterMind1 | under what conditions |
| 18:52.11 | SillyZ | TheMasterMind1: so what ya think , 64/0 48/16 ?? |
| 18:52.31 | SillyZ | I think at 48/16 I wouldnt have any worries about lack of ram to execute applications |
| 18:52.41 | SillyZ | but I would like your opinion |
| 18:53.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i'd go with a 58 6 |
| 18:53.03 | TheMasterMind1 | dont' we have one of those? |
| 18:53.23 | SillyZ | yes |
| 18:53.40 | SillyZ | think 58/6 would be over kill ? |
| 18:53.42 | TheMasterMind1 | that should be good. lots of ram and a little storage in case you ever need it for quick storing |
| 18:54.03 | TheMasterMind1 | might be, 16storage is nice to have too when you want to try out apps |
| 18:54.09 | TheMasterMind1 | stuff to ram installs quick |
| 18:54.17 | TheMasterMind1 | then you can test the app and figure out if you like it |
| 18:54.30 | SillyZ | aye |
| 18:54.40 | SillyZ | I think ill go 16 just for safety sake |
| 18:54.50 | SillyZ | dont wanna screw myself right from the git go :) |
| 18:54.54 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:54.59 | TheMasterMind1 | how goes the operacreator testing |
| 18:55.47 | SillyZ | its created |
| 18:56.00 | TheMasterMind1 | cool send it to me and i'll see if it works |
| 18:56.00 | SillyZ | Im flashin to oz now for test installation |
| 18:56.06 | SillyZ | dcc / email ? |
| 18:56.22 | SillyZ | I have jeode as well, figured while I was there, might as well :) |
| 18:56.23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:56.33 | SillyZ | here ill put em up on the web server, 2 sec |
| 18:56.36 | TheMasterMind1 | oh if you're flahing to oz you can tet it |
| 18:56.39 | TheMasterMind1 | test even |
| 18:58.37 | SillyZ | pmsg TheMasterMind1 |
| 18:59.27 | SillyZ | sorry for the pmsg , but I didnt want to paste the url publically |
| 19:00.23 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 19:00.24 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 19:00.32 | SillyZ | np |
| 19:02.54 | SillyZ | TheMasterMind1: any ideas if a cli ftp client is available on oz ?? |
| 19:03.01 | SillyZ | I did notice that ssh is there, but ftp isnt |
| 19:03.02 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-ftp |
| 19:03.11 | SillyZ | command line interface, not opie |
| 19:03.17 | TheMasterMind1 | ftp should be part of busybox |
| 19:03.18 | TheMasterMind1 | the client |
| 19:03.21 | SillyZ | hmm |
| 19:03.37 | TheMasterMind1 | # ftp |
| 19:03.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ftp> quit |
| 19:03.37 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 19:03.41 | SillyZ | by default I havent seen the ftp client available, ill re-check after this flash |
| 19:03.56 | SillyZ | oh 2 things... |
| 19:04.15 | SillyZ | 1. can sound be turned on by default , so ya can hear the clicks when you do calibration for the first time |
| 19:04.43 | SillyZ | and 2. can somebody really bit&*h at sharp and get the C + D keys moved to something a little easier to handle the damn zaurus for key commands to flash |
| 19:04.45 | SillyZ | :) |
| 19:04.50 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:05.04 | TheMasterMind1 | sound be default = no. people have requested it be off by default |
| 19:05.11 | TheMasterMind1 | and you can bitch at sharp if you like |
| 19:05.29 | SillyZ | he |
| 19:05.30 | SillyZ | heh |
| 19:06.03 | SillyZ | # ftp |
| 19:06.04 | SillyZ | ftp: No such file or directory |
| 19:06.16 | SillyZ | thats on a straight flash nothing extra installed , no ftp |
| 19:06.21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:06.49 | SillyZ | hmmmmm |
| 19:06.54 | TheMasterMind1 | netkit-ftp: /usr/bin/ftp |
| 19:06.55 | TheMasterMind1 | install that package |
| 19:07.19 | SillyZ | shouldnt /dev/mtdblock4 read as 58mb w/ 16 used for initrd.bin ?? |
| 19:07.33 | TheMasterMind1 | no no |
| 19:07.39 | TheMasterMind1 | 16 is flash |
| 19:07.46 | TheMasterMind1 | that's mtdblock4 |
| 19:07.51 | TheMasterMind1 | that's where initrd.bin goes |
| 19:07.54 | TheMasterMind1 | then you have 64 ram |
| 19:08.04 | TheMasterMind1 | 58 of that is real ram, you can't see it |
| 19:08.06 | SillyZ | ok so where do I see the 48 mb ram available I allocated |
| 19:08.10 | SillyZ | ah ok |
| 19:08.11 | TheMasterMind1 | you don't see it |
| 19:08.14 | SillyZ | that answers that q |
| 19:08.16 | SillyZ | :) |
| 19:08.17 | TheMasterMind1 | well, you can see it in opie's system info |
| 19:08.21 | TheMasterMind1 | or using top |
| 19:08.38 | SillyZ | total memory : 47177 |
| 19:08.39 | SillyZ | kewl |
| 19:09.15 | mark_ | does anyone have an a300? |
| 19:10.18 | SillyZ | a300? |
| 19:10.38 | mark_ | yeah the japanese one |
| 19:13.05 | SillyZ | not i |
| 19:17.06 | SillyZ | damn |
| 19:17.17 | SillyZ | yall werent kidding when ya said writing to the SD was slow |
| 19:17.34 | JohaBBa | heh. |
| 19:17.39 | mark_ | hmm, someone must have one |
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| 19:17.48 | mark_ | or an old ipaq running Qtopia? |
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| 19:22.06 | SillyZ | TheMasterMind1: any idea if the Z will recognize a CF w/ reiserfs on it ? |
| 19:22.12 | TheMasterMind1 | it won't |
| 19:22.15 | SillyZ | k |
| 19:22.16 | SillyZ | thanks |
| 19:22.17 | TheMasterMind1 | its not in the kernel afaik |
| 19:22.28 | SillyZ | anyway of getting it into the kernel ? |
| 19:22.32 | TheMasterMind1 | SillyZ: oh, you can speed up writing to ext2 |
| 19:22.34 | TheMasterMind1 | read the faq |
| 19:22.42 | SillyZ | I would much prefer a / system of reiserfs than jffs |
| 19:22.50 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.52 | treke|home | SillyZ: No you wouldnt |
| 19:22.57 | SillyZ | no way of getting around it ? |
| 19:23.00 | treke|home | SillyZ: nope |
| 19:23.04 | SillyZ | drat |
| 19:23.07 | TheMasterMind1 | jffs2 is meant to for flash |
| 19:23.10 | TheMasterMind1 | you don't want anything else for / |
| 19:23.10 | SillyZ | oh well it was an idear |
| 19:23.13 | treke|home | SillyZ: you put reiserfs on there and you will kill your flash |
| 19:23.28 | SillyZ | TheMasterMind1: wheres this faq about ext2 at ? |
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| 19:23.44 | TheMasterMind1 | SillyZ: oz.org |
| 19:24.10 | SillyZ | k |
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| 19:27.59 | SillyZ | hmmm |
| 19:28.09 | SillyZ | im not real sure I wanna remove the 'sync' option |
| 19:28.25 | SillyZ | although the cards are going to be in the Z full time, I have no plans of pulling them out |
| 19:29.29 | SillyZ | btw I have noticed the opie-keyboard segfaults after installation |
| 19:34.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i think taking out sync is a good idea |
| 19:34.40 | TheMasterMind1 | its too unbearably slow otherwise |
| 19:34.43 | TheMasterMind1 | its unusable |
| 19:34.57 | SillyZ | aye |
| 19:35.07 | SillyZ | great place to put apps |
| 19:35.18 | SillyZ | btw thanks for all the info today TheMasterMind1 |
| 19:35.23 | SillyZ | is greatly appericated |
| 19:36.26 | TheMasterMind1 | np |
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| 19:49.54 | Com[Plex | hey guys |
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| 20:13.36 | CrazyGogo | hhuuuuuhuuuuu |
| 20:13.39 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 20:13.42 | chouimat | hi CrazyGogo |
| 20:13.57 | CrazyGogo | got my lan card working! :) |
| 20:14.14 | TheMasterMind1 | CrazyGogo: heh |
| 20:14.19 | CrazyGogo | even tried to add a default gateway... just cant figure out how to teach oz 3 the dns servers... |
| 20:14.24 | chouimat | CrazyGogo: got volume 2,4,5 and 6 of the O'reilley X11 series for 8$ |
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| 20:14.48 | CrazyGogo | chouimat: ebay? |
| 20:14.56 | chouimat | CrazyGogo: used book store |
| 20:15.25 | CrazyGogo | TheMasterMind1: how do u guys use ure lan cards... i mean how do u set up the dns? |
| 20:15.43 | CrazyGogo | chouimat: that should have happend to me :)) |
| 20:15.47 | jaf1230 | I bought a zaurus SL-5500 off of ebay, and it came with a memorex multimedia card |
| 20:15.53 | chouimat | CrazyGogo: hehe |
| 20:16.06 | CrazyGogo | jaf1230: what did u pay? |
| 20:16.15 | CrazyGogo | err.. ho wmuch |
| 20:16.15 | jaf1230 | 360 |
| 20:16.21 | CrazyGogo | euro? |
| 20:16.32 | CrazyGogo | $ ? |
| 20:16.41 | jaf1230 | sl-5500 (not in box, but mint and with everything) 128mb cf card and 64mb MMC |
| 20:16.43 | jaf1230 | $360 |
| 20:16.51 | jaf1230 | plus $10 shipping |
| 20:16.51 | CrazyGogo | thats cool |
| 20:17.00 | jaf1230 | yeah |
| 20:17.10 | jaf1230 | but the zaurus completely ignores the mmc |
| 20:17.12 | CrazyGogo | i paid 321, brand new with original packging |
| 20:17.24 | jaf1230 | cool |
| 20:17.35 | CrazyGogo | EUR, though |
| 20:17.42 | jaf1230 | oh |
| 20:17.53 | jaf1230 | how many dollars is a euro (or vice versa) |
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| 20:18.06 | Com[Plex | ~change 1$ us into euro |
| 20:18.20 | Com[Plex | ~change 1$ usd into euro |
| 20:18.27 | Com[Plex | ~change 1$ usd into euros |
| 20:18.29 | chouimat | CrazyGogo: they also have the volume 7a and 7b (XView and Openlook) but ... |
| 20:18.38 | Com[Plex | ~change $1us into euros |
| 20:18.54 | CrazyGogo | its alsmost 1:1 ... who cares... |
| 20:19.16 | Com[Plex | ~change 1 usd to eur |
| 20:19.18 | SillyZ | ~change $1USD into EURO |
| 20:19.31 | SillyZ | :) |
| 20:19.45 | CrazyGogo | *g* |
| 20:19.49 | jaf1230 | ok |
| 20:19.50 | chouimat | ~change $1CAD into CHF |
| 20:19.55 | jaf1230 | so it's pretty close |
| 20:19.58 | Com[Plex | ~change 1 cad to eur |
| 20:20.09 | chouimat | ~change 1CAD into CHF |
| 20:20.11 | Com[Plex | ~change 1 cad to chf |
| 20:20.16 | SillyZ | ~change 1 USD into YEN |
| 20:20.31 | SillyZ | ~change 1 usd into yen |
| 20:20.43 | SillyZ | kewl ! 7.199 |
| 20:20.46 | kolla | "to" |
| 20:20.51 | SillyZ | to |
| 20:20.52 | SillyZ | sorry |
| 20:20.57 | SillyZ | ~change 1 usd to yen |
| 20:21.07 | SillyZ | hmm |
| 20:21.11 | kolla | jpy |
| 20:21.14 | kolla | you dork :) |
| 20:21.14 | chouimat | ~chang 1 usd to jpy |
| 20:21.15 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, chouimat |
| 20:21.22 | chouimat | ~change 1 usd to jpy |
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| 20:21.38 | SillyZ | 123:1 very nice |
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| 20:21.49 | SillyZ | MrsZ and I may be going to Japan this next year |
| 20:21.50 | jaf1230 | can I get my mmc to work with my zaurus? |
| 20:22.14 | Com[Plex | yes |
| 20:22.30 | jaf1230 | can I do it without downloading the openzaurus rom? |
| 20:22.55 | chouimat | ~change 150 chf to cad |
| 20:23.58 | jaf1230 | Com[Plex |
| 20:24.01 | jaf1230 | : how? |
| 20:25.13 | CrazyGogo | TheMasterMind1: how could i possible use a default dns for m lan connection, even though it always seems to 'forget' the dns i put in the field? |
| 20:25.19 | CrazyGogo | possibly |
| 20:26.45 | Com[Plex | jaf: mmc works fine on the zaurus. are you ahving problems? |
| 20:26.55 | Com[Plex | mmc and SD both work. |
| 20:26.59 | jaf1230 | yeah |
| 20:27.12 | jaf1230 | you know how sharp tells you to use only their specified brand? |
| 20:27.18 | jaf1230 | mine's a memorex |
| 20:27.32 | Com[Plex | thats fine. |
| 20:27.39 | jaf1230 | it acts as if it isn't even there |
| 20:27.51 | Com[Plex | its probably not formatted right. |
| 20:28.01 | Com[Plex | where did you get the card? from a camera? |
| 20:28.14 | jaf1230 | no, from the lady that sold me the zaurus |
| 20:28.19 | Com[Plex | hmm... |
| 20:28.22 | jaf1230 | how do I format it |
| 20:28.23 | CrazyGogo | what about knightfire's list? did u look at it? |
| 20:28.32 | Com[Plex | well. open the konsole |
| 20:28.49 | Com[Plex | then type; umount /mnt/card |
| 20:29.26 | Com[Plex | then; mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 20:29.28 | Com[Plex | I think.. |
| 20:29.31 | Com[Plex | let em ehck on that |
| 20:29.55 | CrazyGogo | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml |
| 20:30.11 | Com[Plex | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml |
| 20:30.15 | Com[Plex | ahhaahha! |
| 20:30.19 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 20:30.21 | Com[Plex | OH! your too fast for me! |
| 20:30.27 | CrazyGogo | *g* |
| 20:30.49 | CrazyGogo | then tell me how i could set up my dns?! :) |
| 20:31.30 | jaf1230 | "/dev/mmcda1: no such device or address" |
| 20:32.01 | Com[Plex | uh... really.. |
| 20:32.06 | Com[Plex | you sure you typed it right?? |
| 20:32.22 | jaf1230 | yeah |
| 20:32.24 | jaf1230 | like I said |
| 20:32.27 | Com[Plex | uh... can anyonme else recognise this issue? |
| 20:32.33 | jaf1230 | it acts as if it weren't in |
| 20:32.34 | Com[Plex | where did you get your zaurus? |
| 20:32.40 | jaf1230 | from some lady |
| 20:32.45 | Com[Plex | used? |
| 20:32.47 | jaf1230 | I upgraded the rom to the latest one |
| 20:32.59 | jaf1230 | probably used very lightly |
| 20:33.02 | Com[Plex | did the mm card work before? |
| 20:33.04 | Com[Plex | mmc |
| 20:33.11 | jaf1230 | I don't know |
| 20:33.24 | jaf1230 | the lady seems a bit... "slow" |
| 20:33.35 | Com[Plex | hmm.. |
| 20:33.40 | Com[Plex | how much did you pay for it? |
| 20:33.45 | Com[Plex | /jsut curious/ |
| 20:33.45 | jaf1230 | I don't have a card reader |
| 20:34.06 | Com[Plex | www.newegg.com = best place for a reader. |
| 20:34.25 | jaf1230 | I paid $360 for the zaurus (seems mint, has everything but the box, including registration card) the 128mb cf card (works fine) and the 64mb MMC |
| 20:34.39 | Com[Plex | good deal. if it works. lol |
| 20:34.48 | jaf1230 | the card doesn't work |
| 20:34.49 | Com[Plex | you could call sharp tech support too. free |
| 20:34.51 | jaf1230 | the zaurus does |
| 20:35.14 | jaf1230 | what's the number? (don't have the manual/etc on me) |
| 20:35.19 | Com[Plex | one second |
| 20:35.24 | jaf1230 | thanks |
| 20:35.26 | Com[Plex | 1-877-794-8675. |
| 20:36.15 | jaf1230 | :) |
| 20:37.15 | Com[Plex | keep asking in here as well jaf: somoen miht know this problem |
| 20:37.52 | jaf1230 | the damn bastards are closed |
| 20:38.00 | jaf1230 | and I hate sharp's technical support |
| 20:38.07 | jaf1230 | I bought a minidisc recorder from them |
| 20:38.07 | Com[Plex | I might reccomend that you try out the oz3 rom tho. - just to see if it works. - plus.. well. i really like the oz3 rom, and feel that it truly is much more superior than the sharp rom |
| 20:38.11 | jaf1230 | broke 3 times |
| 20:38.30 | jaf1230 | in the end, I paid more to fix it than to buy it |
| 20:38.57 | jaf1230 | if I back up, download the oz3 rom, then restore, do I have my files back on oz3? |
| 20:39.43 | Com[Plex | uh.. no. |
| 20:39.46 | Com[Plex | no idea |
| 20:40.19 | Com[Plex | fucking blizzard outside.. |
| 20:40.35 | Com[Plex | maybe we wont have school tomorrow |
| 20:40.39 | TheMasterMind1 | lucky you |
| 20:40.45 | Com[Plex | since I cant find my snowshoes. Ill have an excuse. |
| 20:40.49 | Com[Plex | my sled dogs are sick |
| 20:41.03 | SillyZ | TheMasterMind1: fbvncserver, unable to click on anything, how do I reset the calibration for vnc ? |
| 20:41.25 | Com[Plex | Proof that cats are smarter than dogs: You cant get 8 cats to pull a sled through snow. |
| 20:41.25 | TheMasterMind1 | SillyZ: good question. i don't remember, ask in #openzaurus |
| 20:41.32 | SillyZ | k \ |
| 20:42.04 | Com[Plex | uh./. sillyz. le me check my notes |
| 20:43.02 | jaf1230 | I have the same problem with vnc |
| 20:43.13 | jaf1230 | I'm sitting there wondering |
| 20:43.35 | Com[Plex | Ill have your answer momentarily |
| 20:44.02 | TheMasterMind1 | you have to calibrate it |
| 20:44.06 | TheMasterMind1 | once you install vncserver |
| 20:44.07 | TheMasterMind1 | you reboot |
| 20:44.08 | jaf1230 | how? |
| 20:44.13 | TheMasterMind1 | then the first thing you do when it boots up |
| 20:44.21 | TheMasterMind1 | is touch the left bottom corner and the top right corner |
| 20:44.24 | TheMasterMind1 | or maybe its the other way around |
| 20:44.29 | jaf1230 | :( |
| 20:44.34 | jaf1230 | I don't wanna reboot |
| 20:45.05 | jaf1230 | I like my 2 hours 20 minutes uptime |
| 20:46.20 | jaf1230 | eh, gotta do what you gotta do |
| 20:46.20 | Com[Plex | tmm. there was a problem with teh calibration function not starting |
| 20:46.31 | Com[Plex | you ahve to trigger that manually |
| 20:46.39 | Com[Plex | and I dont have a fucking zaurs here any mroe to do it with :< |
| 20:46.45 | jaf1230 | ? |
| 20:46.53 | Com[Plex | wait! I ahve my backup rom! |
| 20:47.55 | jaf1230 | When the reboot is complete, calibrate the VNC touchscreen emulation daemon. Do this calibration by tapping the top-left corner, then the bottom right corner of the display. Don't worry if Qtopia reacts to your tappings, as it does not know that you are doing a calibration. |
| 20:48.36 | SillyZ | been there done that jaf1230 |
| 20:48.46 | jaf1230 | ok |
| 20:48.47 | TheMasterMind1 | jaf1230: where was that? |
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| 20:49.07 | fsa1gt | hi |
| 20:49.15 | jaf1230 | brb |
| 20:49.21 | SillyZ | btw how does one change the bootsplash ? hehe |
| 20:50.22 | jaf1230 | :( |
| 20:50.25 | jaf1230 | I had to reset |
| 20:50.31 | jaf1230 | I don't like hard-resetting |
| 20:51.03 | johaBBa | SillyZ: theres an ipk for changing boots in zauruszone |
| 20:51.21 | johaBBa | SillyZ: with about 100+ boot screens |
| 20:51.30 | jaf1230 | and at www.mmhart.com there are a bunch of screens |
| 20:51.32 | Com[Plex | johaL: its not for oz tho |
| 20:51.34 | jaf1230 | 2 made by me :) |
| 20:51.37 | Com[Plex | its for sharp rom |
| 20:52.01 | johaBBa | Com[Plex: eep. nm |
| 20:53.01 | jaf1230 | I like watching south park on my zaurus |
| 20:53.30 | jaf1230 | makes me feel special :) |
| 20:54.14 | jaf1230 | this is strange |
| 20:54.19 | jaf1230 | I'm connected over vnc |
| 20:54.27 | jaf1230 | I just uninstalled vnc |
| 20:54.36 | jaf1230 | then I re-installed it |
| 20:54.46 | jaf1230 | and I was connected the whole time |
| 20:54.52 | SillyZ | aye vnc is rather flakey imho , and a royal pita to setup |
| 20:55.45 | Com[Plex | there is something that needs to be done for some people, where they have to fire up the screen tap grabber, and make it initialise like it dos in the postinst for the ipk |
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| 20:56.08 | codemnky | hey * |
| 20:56.10 | jaf1230 | ? |
| 20:56.22 | Com[Plex | since I cannot mount my stupid initrd backup as cramfs, I cant get the actual command ebcause tis in my notes on my z |
| 20:56.34 | Com[Plex | so Ill have to open the fbvnc isntaller, one second |
| 20:57.05 | jaf1230 | there we go |
| 20:57.11 | jaf1230 | finally got it to work |
| 20:57.23 | SillyZ | what'd ya do to get it to work , and send me the ipk you used |
| 20:57.25 | SillyZ | please |
| 20:57.41 | jaf1230 | ::decides to back up:: |
| 20:57.54 | jaf1230 | to get vnc server to work? |
| 20:58.09 | codemnky | you guys know a good place in the states where i can order a cable or adapter? |
| 20:58.20 | SillyZ | aye |
| 20:58.25 | codemnky | i need a RJ-45 to a DB-9 female |
| 20:58.38 | codemnky | cable or adapter |
| 20:58.41 | SillyZ | ya most any cisco management cable will do |
| 20:58.45 | jaf1230 | I doubt such a thing exists |
| 20:58.50 | SillyZ | db9 -> rj45 |
| 20:58.52 | codemnky | that is exactly what i need |
| 20:58.57 | SillyZ | it does exist, I have a few of em |
| 20:59.04 | jaf1230 | what do they do? |
| 20:59.10 | codemnky | i've been searching the net |
| 20:59.14 | codemnky | you have a good source? |
| 20:59.24 | Com[Plex | jsut make one |
| 20:59.35 | codemnky | i'd prob mess it up |
| 20:59.39 | Com[Plex | grab a serial cable adn stuff an rj45 on the end :> |
| 20:59.46 | codemnky | hmm |
| 20:59.47 | Com[Plex | its not hard. have some confidence. |
| 20:59.54 | Com[Plex | you got an rj45 crimper and some ends? |
| 21:00.05 | Com[Plex | and a meter to test wich lines wich |
| 21:00.12 | codemnky | actually i do |
| 21:00.20 | codemnky | i guess i should give it a shot |
| 21:00.35 | Com[Plex | good luck. I have faith in you |
| 21:00.53 | codemnky | with my luck i'd short something out and mess up my router |
| 21:01.04 | codemnky | and that would be bad |
| 21:02.37 | SillyZ | jaf1230: can ya send me the ipk you used w/ vnc |
| 21:02.38 | SillyZ | ?? |
| 21:02.46 | Com[Plex | who was trying to get vncs screen tap working? |
| 21:02.50 | SillyZ | << here |
| 21:02.51 | Com[Plex | try this command. |
| 21:02.59 | Com[Plex | updatercd fbvncinput start |
| 21:03.00 | SillyZ | fbvncinput ? |
| 21:03.05 | SillyZ | been there done that |
| 21:03.09 | SillyZ | didnt do jack |
| 21:03.12 | Com[Plex | ; updatercd fbvncinput start |
| 21:03.20 | Com[Plex | then grep ps to see if you see this file; |
| 21:03.24 | SillyZ | k |
| 21:03.33 | jaf1230 | the ipk for vnc? |
| 21:03.47 | SillyZ | yes |
| 21:03.51 | jaf1230 | uhh. |
| 21:03.59 | jaf1230 | go to www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 21:04.05 | jaf1230 | it's under network-servers |
| 21:04.07 | Com[Plex | "ttssimd" |
| 21:04.14 | SillyZ | updatercd no file found |
| 21:04.19 | Com[Plex | ps -eg |grep tssimd |
| 21:04.29 | jaf1230 | and if it downloads to a .tar file then just rename it to a .ipk file (I had that problem) |
| 21:05.04 | Com[Plex | then try; fbvncinput start |
| 21:06.28 | SillyZ | will do, installing a boatload on the sd card atm |
| 21:06.34 | SillyZ | soon as its finished Ill jump back to vnc |
| 21:06.41 | Com[Plex | then; ps -eg |grep tssimd |
| 21:06.42 | Com[Plex | okay |
| 21:06.55 | SillyZ | hehehe Ive damn near got everything for OZ installed |
| 21:06.55 | SillyZ | :) |
| 21:07.06 | SillyZ | and Ive still got 256mb free on the CF |
| 21:07.55 | jaf1230 | how big is it, and is it a microdrive? |
| 21:08.00 | Com[Plex | no |
| 21:08.12 | Com[Plex | microdrives in zaurii are bad. |
| 21:08.18 | Com[Plex | run very very very Hot. |
| 21:08.19 | SillyZ | compact flash card, 256mb |
| 21:08.23 | SillyZ | was 90 bux |
| 21:08.29 | SillyZ | not a great price, but not a bad one |
| 21:09.16 | jaf1230 | yah |
| 21:09.26 | jaf1230 | and microdrives consume a lot of power |
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| 21:10.52 | jaf1230 | hi |
| 21:11.39 | jaf1230 | I wish I could get that mmc working |
| 21:11.48 | jaf1230 | pisses me off |
| 21:13.40 | Com[Plex | hmm.. |
| 21:13.48 | Com[Plex | I wonder why its not working for ya |
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| 21:14.34 | baggins | Hullo. Anyone here want to know about Opie Media Player 2 experiences? |
| 21:15.08 | jaf1230 | can I play my divx files on omp2? |
| 21:15.22 | baggins | dunno, haven't gotten that far yet |
| 21:15.24 | baggins | mpg works |
| 21:15.30 | baggins | audio doesn't... for me |
| 21:15.58 | SillyZ | rofl.. now this is a good one.... |
| 21:16.01 | SillyZ | ipkg remove zaurus-fbvncserver_0.3_arm.ipk |
| 21:16.01 | SillyZ | Package zaurus-fbvncserver_0.3_arm.ipk is not installed. |
| 21:16.07 | SillyZ | ipkg install zaurus-fbvncserver_0.3_arm.ipk |
| 21:16.07 | SillyZ | Package zaurus-fbvncserver is already installed. |
| 21:16.13 | baggins | heh |
| 21:16.21 | SillyZ | anyone care to take a stab at that one ? hehehehehe |
| 21:16.39 | Com[Plex | sillyz, use aqpkg |
| 21:16.41 | jaf1230 | I'll stab your zaurus for you, if you'd like |
| 21:16.57 | jaf1230 | :-P |
| 21:17.19 | SillyZ | naaa thats ok, Ive got enuf experience behind me I can blow it up nicely all on my own :) |
| 21:17.32 | SillyZ | << did the agenda vr3 thing when agendacomputing was around |
| 21:18.14 | jaf1230 | ? |
| 21:18.35 | baggins | SillyZ, there's still a fairly active community around the Agenda, 'course I don't use mine much anymore... |
| 21:22.05 | baggins | OK, I guess there's no OMP2 developers around right now. See ya around... |
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| 21:37.51 | djg | somebody here who can help me connecting my linux (rh 7.2 up2date) with my zaurus |
| 21:38.13 | djg | usb0 is there, ip address assigned, but with ftp: " No route to host" |
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| 21:39.57 | mcuk_storm | Does anyone know where i can get the source code for zmeeting? |
| 21:41.50 | TheMasterMind1 | no clue |
| 21:41.50 | TheMasterMind1 | why? |
| 21:42.24 | TheMasterMind1 | does zmeeting do video? |
| 21:42.24 | TheMasterMind1 | do yoyu know/ |
| 21:42.39 | mcuk_storm | Because i need to make some modifications to it to improve the user interface, like a settings screen, and some other little things that are required to run it on the network i am setting up |
| 21:43.13 | mcuk_storm | I think zmeeting does video, unfortunatly the people who make it dont have a website at the minute (under dev!) and has been for about a month |
| 21:43.55 | mcuk_storm | If you are hanging around in this channel i will check and let you know |
| 21:44.45 | mcuk_storm | any idea if there are any applications that can play streaming video? |
| 21:45.58 | mcuk_storm | this channel is dead! doesnt anyone talk? |
| 21:46.06 | mark_ | mcuk_storm: nah |
| 21:52.21 | Quadgie | talking's for humans ;D |
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| 21:57.17 | mcuk_storm | I'll be back in a minute with the answer to if zmeeting shows video, windows is calling for a restart (feckin thing!) |
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| 22:02.38 | mcuk_storm | RESULT: ZMeeting does indeed show video. |
| 22:03.18 | mcuk_storm | the video decompression is actually better than that of gnomemeeting. |
| 22:04.11 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa! |
| 22:04.12 | TheMasterMind1 | really? |
| 22:04.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i think its just gnomemeeting that's fucked then |
| 22:04.27 | TheMasterMind1 | it must not be sending video |
| 22:04.31 | TheMasterMind1 | what other thing can i use to send video |
| 22:04.50 | mcuk_storm | for a meeting environment or just streaming it |
| 22:04.57 | TheMasterMind1 | streaming |
| 22:05.16 | mcuk_storm | Apple streaming server? It free! |
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| 22:05.41 | NoRemorse | heya, with the crow rom my cd wlan card drops out after a minute and cant be recognised? |
| 22:05.48 | NoRemorse | cd=cf |
| 22:06.30 | mcuk_storm | TheMasterMind: try www.opensource.apple.com |
| 22:07.09 | mcuk_storm | sorry this is probably just me being stupid, but what is a crow rom? |
| 22:07.10 | TheMasterMind1 | bah, apple.. |
| 22:07.18 | mcuk_storm | what is wrong with apple? |
| 22:07.21 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno |
| 22:07.22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:07.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i want something that has a debian package |
| 22:07.41 | TheMasterMind1 | so apple streaming will work with zmeeting? |
| 22:07.50 | mcuk_storm | i very much doubt it |
| 22:07.54 | NoRemorse | http://www.schwag.org/~crow/ |
| 22:08.07 | NoRemorse | rom allows 64MB mem |
| 22:08.11 | TheMasterMind1 | mcuk_storm: what can i use to do that then |
| 22:08.17 | TheMasterMind1 | NoRemorse: you should use OZ |
| 22:08.19 | NoRemorse | uses SD for root partition |
| 22:08.19 | mcuk_storm | does it happen with the normal rom? |
| 22:08.34 | NoRemorse | TheMasterMind1 nah I dont like OZ |
| 22:08.40 | NoRemorse | and no it was fine |
| 22:08.41 | TheMasterMind1 | NoRemorse: why's that? |
| 22:09.01 | mcuk_storm | a company is developing an application to play streaming quicktime video, the only problem is 1. it is still in development and second i have lost the link! |
| 22:09.21 | NoRemorse | TheMasterMind1 does OZ allow 64M of ram and root on SD ? |
| 22:09.30 | NoRemorse | if so I will try it again |
| 22:09.39 | TheMasterMind1 | NoRemorse: yep, it does |
| 22:09.46 | NoRemorse | sigh |
| 22:09.49 | TheMasterMind1 | NoRemorse: there's an FAQ item about it on the OZ faq |
| 22:09.57 | NoRemorse | ok thanks |
| 22:10.03 | NoRemorse | catcha |
| 22:11.09 | mcuk_storm | I have a very similar problem to you, i am desperately looking for something that will stream video and more importantly play it on the zaurus, i have searched for days for anything and there is virtually nothing worthy of a mention. |
| 22:11.32 | SillyZ | bah |
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| 22:13.03 | NoRemorse | re |
| 22:13.15 | NoRemorse | can I just check that zImage-5500-58memory-6storage.bin is the right image to use sd ram as root? |
| 22:13.21 | NoRemorse | oops |
| 22:13.31 | NoRemorse | hmm it didnt say that on the webpage it said 64-0 |
| 22:13.44 | NoRemorse | zImage-5500-64memory-0storage.bin even |
| 22:13.54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea that will give you 64mb of ram |
| 22:14.06 | TheMasterMind1 | and you can use sd for installing |
| 22:14.10 | TheMasterMind1 | or move root onto sd |
| 22:14.20 | NoRemorse | move? |
| 22:14.33 | NoRemorse | so it doesnt install root onto sd automatically first boot? |
| 22:14.37 | NoRemorse | like crow does? |
| 22:14.47 | chouimat | NoRemorse: no the / is on the flash |
| 22:15.02 | NoRemorse | ok I need flash for my wlan |
| 22:15.46 | TheMasterMind1 | NoRemorse: no, in OZ you dont have to. you install only applications onto the SD if you want and leave root on the flash |
| 22:15.48 | TheMasterMind1 | or move it if you want |
| 22:15.50 | TheMasterMind1 | its not needed |
| 22:15.53 | TheMasterMind1 | since the flash is writable |
| 22:16.06 | fsa1gt | bye |
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| 22:16.17 | NoRemorse | bye "flash" u mean sd right? |
| 22:16.30 | NoRemorse | "leave root on the flash" |
| 22:16.33 | djg | somebody here who can help me connecting linux (rh 7.2 up2date) with zaurus. usb0 is there, ip address assigned, but with ftp: " No route to host" |
| 22:16.45 | NoRemorse | cos as I said I use CF for my wlan so I wont have any CF flash |
| 22:17.54 | mcuk_storm | TheMasterMind1: I wonder if there are any J2ME(Java) Apps that will play streaming video? |
| 22:19.28 | NoRemorse | ah cool ok I worked out how to do it, but is it best to have the sd in fat16 or ext2? |
| 22:19.41 | NoRemorse | cos crow needs it in ext2 but I had probs with ext2 earlier |
| 22:20.31 | TheMasterMind1 | NoRemorse: ext2 |
| 22:20.39 | TheMasterMind1 | NoRemorse: how big is yours? |
| 22:20.52 | NoRemorse | 128 |
| 22:20.52 | TheMasterMind1 | your SD |
| 22:20.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm ok |
| 22:20.58 | TheMasterMind1 | you need ext2 |
| 22:21.09 | TheMasterMind1 | and you'll have to edit /etc/fstab and remove sync option from /mnt/card |
| 22:21.23 | NoRemorse | hmm I think I might know what the prob is, happened when I first got it, a couple of the CF pins were pushed slighlty in and were not making contact may have happened again |
| 22:22.18 | NoRemorse | hmm looks ok |
| 22:23.04 | NoRemorse | ok I'll give OZ a go :) catcha |
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| 22:38.21 | djg | somebody here who can help me connecting linux (rh 7.2 up2date) with zaurus. usb0 is there, ip address assigned, but with ftp: " No route to host" |
| 22:42.47 | SillyZ | http://mandrake.kicks-ass.net/downloads/oz/zaurus-hotplug-howto.txt |
| 22:43.13 | SillyZ | a few scripts a few of us have put together, their not 100% yet but should work and give ya the right idea where to go |
| 22:43.37 | djg | (link doesnt work) |
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| 22:44.28 | djg | so ifconfig shows me that there is an ip addy assigned to usb0 |
| 22:44.32 | djg | what is missing then? |
| 22:44.57 | SillyZ | http://mandrake.kicks-ass.net/downloads/zaurus-hotplug-howto.txt |
| 22:44.59 | SillyZ | whoops my bad |
| 22:45.27 | djg | are u in touch/responsible for this site? |
| 22:45.34 | djg | the site-wide search doesnt work |
| 22:45.40 | djg | "Sorry, you can't access this file directly..." |
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| 22:50.10 | Hellaenergy | They should build a gsm module for the Zaurus |
| 22:50.17 | Hellaenergy | whos with me? |
| 22:52.35 | ljp | ya! what he said! |
| 22:52.44 | ljp | whats a gsm module? |
| 22:52.58 | Hellaenergy | http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/G/GSM.html |
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| 22:54.13 | Hellaenergy | basically I want the Z to have an IC module like the ones on smart cards and in gsm phones |
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| 22:55.26 | Hellaenergy | That way you could put credit cards (securly) in the Z |
| 22:56.30 | Hellaenergy | Heck that would be tight if they had a cell phone built in |
| 22:57.43 | djg | sillyz: heck - i have been /etc/hotplug/usb.agent's modifications by hand - to no avail :-/ |
| 22:57.52 | djg | any idea? |
| 22:58.59 | Hellaenergy | describe |
| 23:00.47 | Hellaenergy | http://www.smartcards.net/wireless/emotion.html |
| 23:01.44 | Hellaenergy | that'd be a good way to use it too |
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| 23:07.52 | Hellaenergy | later |
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| 23:12.53 | rabbit_uk_ | evening |
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| 23:22.13 | CrazyGogo | anyone here? |
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| 23:23.13 | boulez | yeah |
| 23:23.21 | boulez | sorta |
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| 23:31.17 | KotH | oyasumi mina san |
| 23:33.52 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex: hmm, that opera 1.6.1 is totally screwed up. doesnt have files.. mostly only dirs and libpdf stuff |
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| 23:41.48 | rabbit_uk_ | Koth: What language are you speaking? Finnish or something? |
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| 23:54.17 | ZzzGogo | heyas... |
| 23:54.33 | ZzzGogo | with my Z |
| 23:55.48 | ZzzGogo | could someone tell me how to prevent loosing all the ip/gateway information upon reboot? auto-up doesnt seem to work,either :( |
