| 00:00.39 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: ! |
| 00:00.59 | Unify | i got a problem with the vi on my sharp |
| 00:01.03 | Unify | when i vi /etc/resolv.conf, it give me this error "/tmp/elv00dc31f01" is busy |
| 00:01.07 | Unify | how do i resolve this problem? |
| 00:01.08 | TheMasterMind1 | no need to repeat |
| 00:01.11 | TheMasterMind1 | its annoying as fuck |
| 00:01.19 | Unify | sorry |
| 00:01.32 | Unify | but i didn't get a respond |
| 00:02.18 | badalex | Unify: maybe no one has an answer? |
| 00:03.24 | Unify | thanks |
| 00:05.53 | badalex|taken | Unify: lol, try rebooting? thats the only advice i have... |
| 00:05.55 | badalex|taken | later |
| 00:06.24 | Unify | i tried it already |
| 00:06.38 | Unify | the problem still thr |
| 00:06.55 | Unify | do you have any website that i can look on? |
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| 00:09.20 | Neo|Work | yay |
| 00:09.29 | Com[Plex] | anyone know what can be done about a bricked z ?, as in, where to send it to sharp to get serviced... |
| 00:09.39 | ZhEN | yep |
| 00:09.41 | Com[Plex] | I got a new cf card today, but the z wont flash :< |
| 00:09.43 | ZhEN | i have had to do it about 3 times |
| 00:09.51 | Com[Plex] | yeah? how much does it cost? |
| 00:10.07 | ZhEN | mine was under warranty |
| 00:10.13 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: still no luck? |
| 00:10.14 | Com[Plex] | shit |
| 00:10.14 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 00:10.25 | Com[Plex] | okay so. you nkow where to send it at least? |
| 00:10.37 | Com[Plex] | tmm. thats right. its dead. :< |
| 00:10.51 | Com[Plex] | the battery is out, im wating 24 hours before trying again. |
| 00:10.55 | ZhEN | call their tech support and they will tell you |
| 00:11.03 | ZhEN | its in romeoville illinois |
| 00:12.08 | Com[Plex] | anyone know the number for tech support? |
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| 00:24.16 | Com[Plex] | ZhEN: how did you brick it so many tiems? |
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| 00:41.30 | Com[Plex] | anyone have a zaurus with a busted lcd they are tryingto get rid of? |
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| 00:46.03 | Com[Plex] | ZhEN: how did you brick it so many tiems? |
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| 01:02.19 | Com[Plex] | hey zhen: could you give me the number to sharps tech support for the zaurus? |
| 01:03.01 | Com[Plex] | I just spent ten minutes on an automated system, trying to get info, but to no avail. it wasnt the right number. |
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| 01:13.16 | Com[Plex] | well anyway. I think the operacreator is done. just needs that preload lib.. |
| 01:13.26 | TheMasterMind1 | preload lib? |
| 01:13.47 | Com[Plex] | uh.. that think kergoth was talking about, the opie-taskbar |
| 01:13.54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea that's not part of the creator |
| 01:13.56 | TheMasterMind1 | that's part of OZ |
| 01:13.59 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll take care of that bit |
| 01:14.24 | Com[Plex] | yeah, thats what I mean. It will depend on that in order to run opera under oz3 |
| 01:14.32 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 01:14.45 | TheMasterMind1 | that's a part of opie anyway. you can't run opie without that |
| 01:14.46 | Com[Plex] | unfortunately, I cant test it, because I dont have a working z, and I dont have that opie-taskbar either. |
| 01:15.04 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 01:15.11 | Com[Plex] | uh,. maybe you misunderstand. kergoth made a new one |
| 01:15.25 | Com[Plex] | "bleeding edge" as he called it. |
| 01:15.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i know i know. i got the whole preload thing |
| 01:15.45 | Com[Plex] | okay. |
| 01:15.53 | Com[Plex] | would you like me to email this to you? |
| 01:15.55 | Com[Plex] | operacreator |
| 01:18.19 | TheMasterMind1 | yes pelase |
| 01:18.33 | Com[Plex] | whats your email addy? |
| 01:19.02 | TheMasterMind1 | oz@themastermind1.net |
| 01:21.05 | Com[Plex] | sent |
| 01:21.11 | Com[Plex] | also link to it here.. http://me.256k.net/zaurus/operacreator_1.5_arm.ipk |
| 01:21.13 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 01:22.16 | Com[Plex] | np |
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| 01:23.13 | SillyZ | evenin yall |
| 01:23.53 | anurkhet | rehi |
| 01:24.31 | SillyZ | *sigh* I just asked my wife if she'd light some insents |
| 01:24.31 | Com[Plex] | I really think its ready. the only problem I had to fix last was the chmod of the new postinst file created by the thing. I did that by hand when installing the created ipk under oz, and it ran perfectly. the only problem was that opera segfaults. |
| 01:24.44 | SillyZ | she looks at me and goes ... do we have any insents/ |
| 01:24.44 | SillyZ | ?? |
| 01:24.48 | SillyZ | << buddahist |
| 01:24.58 | SillyZ | now, tell me that wasnt a silly question |
| 01:25.06 | Com[Plex] | nag champa. much netter when its not lit tho. |
| 01:25.07 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 01:25.19 | Com[Plex] | I dontmind incense. when its not burning. |
| 01:25.37 | SillyZ | welp Im fully oz'd here Com[Plex] |
| 01:25.46 | Com[Plex] | cool |
| 01:25.50 | Com[Plex] | yuo like it? |
| 01:26.08 | Com[Plex] | I love it.. or rather "loved" it... :< |
| 01:27.09 | Com[Plex] | I even went out and bought a new, gold plated double shielded usb cable for use with my card writer. because the old one wasnt very reliable. |
| 01:27.19 | SillyZ | aye, Im not one whos real big on games so the games not being there are a nice savings |
| 01:27.30 | SillyZ | damn! |
| 01:27.36 | TheMasterMind1 | so.. anyone have the sharp rom here? |
| 01:27.39 | TheMasterMind1 | we need to test this operacreator |
| 01:27.40 | SillyZ | yup |
| 01:27.48 | Com[Plex] | hahah |
| 01:27.50 | SillyZ | I dont have it on atm |
| 01:28.24 | SillyZ | lemme reflash and Ill test it .... |
| 01:28.40 | SillyZ | mmmmm |
| 01:29.00 | SillyZ | I just set it up today, mmm |
| 01:31.50 | Com[Plex] | heheh |
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| 01:37.59 | SillyZ | sorry TheMasterMind1, I just got it setup today |
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| 01:52.01 | jbwiv | hey. anyone know of a program for the Zaurus that will parse xmltv files and provide a tv listing? thx. |
| 01:54.00 | treke|laptop | none |
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| 01:55.03 | jbwiv | treke|laptop: cool...thx. hmm, perhaps a new project ;-) |
| 01:55.27 | treke|laptop | hehe :) |
| 01:55.34 | treke|laptop | libopie has a very nice XML library :) |
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| 02:31.35 | Unify | hi, i need to configure my DNS |
| 02:31.40 | Unify | to access internet |
| 02:31.44 | Unify | how can i do that? |
| 02:33.42 | Unify | SillZ, do you know how? |
| 02:33.58 | SillyZ | echo "nameserver IP.ADDY.GOES.HERE" >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:36.05 | Unify | i meant the configuring thr sharp |
| 02:47.12 | Com[Plex] | anyone tested that yet? |
| 02:47.26 | Com[Plex] | operacreator... http://me.256k.net/zaurus/operacreator_1.5_arm.ipk |
| 02:47.31 | Com[Plex] | someoen test it please. |
| 02:48.29 | kendrick2 | what is? |
| 02:49.44 | kendrick2 | merh - i gotta go figured out dinner |
| 02:49.45 | kendrick2 | good luck! |
| 02:51.40 | Com[Plex] | operacreator takes all of the opera files from the sharp rom, and puts them together in aq neat little package, wich you can use to install onto OZ3. |
| 02:51.52 | Com[Plex] | no idea why anyone would want opera on oz3. but is there.. |
| 02:52.08 | jbardin | could constipation cause headache? |
| 02:52.17 | Com[Plex] | I just need someone to use it on the sharop rom, and then send me the file it creates. so i can get it tested on a z with oz3 |
| 02:52.38 | Com[Plex] | jbardin: yeah, its more likely that whatevers causing your constipation is also causeing your headache |
| 02:52.50 | jbardin | interesting |
| 02:53.56 | jbardin | i think i ate too many bananas |
| 02:55.17 | DaWorm | Com[Plex]: your unit now ok? |
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| 02:56.38 | Com[Plex] | no :< |
| 02:57.07 | Com[Plex] | bananas make you constipated? |
| 02:57.22 | Com[Plex] | take a tylenol, and 2 vitamin c tablets. |
| 02:57.23 | Com[Plex] | 3 |
| 02:57.30 | Com[Plex] | hot peppers if you got any. |
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| 03:00.14 | jbardin | interesting... |
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| 03:04.32 | jbardin | bananas and stress, end of school exams.. and i need to come up with an abstract for a calc 2 related project by the end of this week |
| 03:17.41 | jbardin | ibot qsa |
| 03:17.41 | | jbardin: are you smoking crack? |
| 03:28.43 | anggarda | qsa=quality service analysis? |
| 03:31.16 | jbardin | no, qt scripting architecure |
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| 03:38.18 | BuzzDat | any openzaurus folks on tonight? |
| 03:38.31 | TheMasterMind1 | yea? |
| 03:38.39 | TheMasterMind1 | #openzaurus is usually better place |
| 03:38.52 | BuzzDat | ahh, i'll check it out. thanks! |
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| 04:09.14 | *** topic/#zaurus is Sharp 5000d/5500/5600/A300/C700/etc Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || OpenZaurus 3.0 is released! #OpenZaurus || SL-5600 announced || NEW: screenshots section on openzaurus.org || WWW.ZAURUSVIP.COM : code VS0002 for a $249 5500 Ends Dec 6th (uh - looks more like $399 -- neo) || The Zaurus ROM poll: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?s=701e272b537a4954fa951ac6f633b685&act=ST&f=11&t=4821 |
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| 04:11.16 | warmi | hi |
| 04:11.23 | BuzzDat | hey warmi |
| 04:18.41 | warmi | quiet evening ? |
| 04:22.17 | ljp | nope.... doing audio for a change |
| 04:23.04 | chouimat|down | playing with gramofile and krecord |
| 04:24.02 | warmi | heh |
| 04:24.54 | ljp | gramofile? |
| 04:25.02 | chouimat|down | just finish tranfering 4 audio tape to cd, about 296 more to do |
| 04:25.14 | chouimat|down | ljp: a track splitting app for unix |
| 04:25.40 | chouimat|down | http://panic.et.tudelft.nl/~costar/gramofile/ |
| 04:26.47 | chouimat|down | ljp not perfect but it's ok |
| 04:27.19 | ljp | ahh |
| 04:27.55 | ljp | that looks cool |
| 04:28.29 | chouimat|down | ljp: need some tuning for the joe satriani albums but it's ok |
| 04:28.44 | DaWorm | 296 tapes! |
| 04:29.10 | chouimat|down | DaWorm: yes, and about 1000 cds |
| 04:29.25 | DaWorm | err...i dont have that many cds |
| 04:29.26 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:29.37 | DaWorm | i probably have around 200 |
| 04:29.46 | DaWorm | and some 80 tapes |
| 04:29.48 | chouimat|down | DaWorm: I'm transfering the tapes to cd |
| 04:30.26 | BuzzDat | chouimat|down: have you done any vinyl -> mp3 transfers? Got some rare stuff I wanna save... |
| 04:30.41 | chouimat|down | BuzzDat: linux? |
| 04:30.48 | BuzzDat | yup |
| 04:31.49 | chouimat|down | BuzzDat: use the same thing I'm doing for tape but plug the amp tape out in the line in of your soundcard and convert the wav to mp3 or ogg |
| 04:32.48 | chouimat|down | BuzzDat: khdrecord can record directly to mp3 and ogg |
| 04:34.50 | ljp | I'm using this fine piece of german engineering http://www.steinberg.net/en/ps/products/music_production/cubase_sx_pc/index.php?sid=0 |
| 04:35.03 | chouimat|down | ljp: $$$ :P |
| 04:35.43 | ljp | ya, it was |
| 04:35.57 | ljp | but worth it |
| 04:36.13 | chouimat|down | ljp: Recording studio soft? |
| 04:36.21 | ljp | yes |
| 04:36.32 | chouimat|down | ljp: we used it to do some demo |
| 04:36.35 | DaWorm | cubase |
| 04:36.38 | DaWorm | isnt that expensive |
| 04:36.48 | ljp | ya |
| 04:36.58 | ljp | but worth it |
| 04:37.12 | chouimat|down | ljp: repeating yourself |
| 04:37.14 | ljp | I use a tascam 428 to control it |
| 04:37.33 | chouimat|down | ljp: shaddap |
| 04:37.34 | ljp | no repeating |
| 04:38.35 | chouimat|down | damn! that song is good! |
| 04:38.52 | ljp | 1st time I've been in win2k for a looong time |
| 04:39.43 | ljp | doing software updating |
| 04:40.10 | DaWorm | i like win2k in a way... |
| 04:40.11 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:40.35 | chouimat|down | me I like it out of mine |
| 04:40.41 | ljp | win2k is the only windows os I do like |
| 04:41.34 | warmi | ljp: hear hear |
| 04:41.37 | warmi | I like it too |
| 04:41.45 | warmi | very stable - not too flashy |
| 04:41.46 | DaWorm | me three |
| 04:42.02 | DaWorm | and fast enough |
| 04:42.34 | ljp | and it runs cubase, acid, and some awesome software |
| 04:43.26 | warmi | well, everything runs on Windows |
| 04:43.27 | warmi | :-) |
| 04:43.32 | chouimat|down | BuzzDat: the only problem with (tapes,vynil)->(CD,mp3) it's a very long |
| 04:43.38 | DaWorm | and you get a ton of warez in newgroups |
| 04:43.43 | warmi | at least everything a desktop user would want to use |
| 04:44.19 | DaWorm | i always though a windows isntallation isnt complete without a single warez even at work |
| 04:44.19 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:45.14 | ljp | 'you moved your mouse. You want to reboot now?' |
| 04:45.27 | warmi | well, my Windows to begin with is not exatly clean :-) |
| 04:45.52 | DaWorm | so does mine |
| 04:46.00 | warmi | I didn't pay for it .. at least I don't remember paying for Windows since Windows 95 came out |
| 04:46.10 | warmi | and I don't buy computers either |
| 04:46.31 | warmi | but I did purchase Windows 95 |
| 04:46.59 | DaWorm | hmmm...i bought 98se |
| 04:47.24 | DaWorm | which is very much usable |
| 04:47.31 | warmi | nah ... I never tried 98, me or anything like that |
| 04:47.37 | warmi | I went streight from Windows 95 to 2000 |
| 04:47.59 | warmi | I need windows for my games |
| 04:48.08 | DaWorm | i also bought beos5 |
| 04:48.17 | warmi | bought ? |
| 04:48.23 | warmi | I thought it was free |
| 04:48.30 | DaWorm | pe was free |
| 04:48.30 | warmi | at least for non-commercial use |
| 04:48.33 | DaWorm | pro wasnt |
| 04:48.39 | warmi | ah ok |
| 04:48.43 | warmi | how much was it ? |
| 04:48.47 | DaWorm | i dont remember |
| 04:48.48 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:49.15 | DaWorm | but you can still get beos pe free |
| 04:49.24 | DaWorm | and some folks still write drivers for it |
| 04:49.37 | warmi | well, perhaps some day you will be able to buy it again .. courtesy of Palm this time |
| 04:49.47 | ljp | there's a beos 5.1 floating around |
| 04:50.09 | DaWorm | nahh, a lot of beos users are making their own beos flavors lately |
| 04:50.13 | chouimat|down | and there beos max release 2.1 too |
| 04:50.24 | warmi | I think this was like never leaked beta version or something like that |
| 04:50.27 | warmi | 5.1 that is |
| 04:50.29 | ljp | but they arent beos |
| 04:50.38 | warmi | I mean never finished , leaked beta version |
| 04:50.58 | chouimat|down | ljp: they are beos, with some changer part and some part from 5.1 too |
| 04:51.23 | ljp | no, becuase the copycats dont have beos proprietary stuffs |
| 04:51.36 | chouimat|down | ljp: as? |
| 04:52.08 | DaWorm | befs i guess |
| 04:52.26 | ljp | thats one thing |
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| 04:52.51 | chouimat|down | ljp: BeOS MAX is based on PE |
| 04:53.34 | chouimat|down | ljp: and openbeos use openbefs (and it's work on beos 5) now |
| 04:54.38 | ljp | cant be the same thing, as the code was never released |
| 04:55.55 | chouimat|down | ljp I know but It work on befs partition, and the book Pratical file System design with the be file system by Dominic Giampaolo explain befs in every detail |
| 04:56.02 | DaWorm | and from what i recall, beos people are clamoring to use linux as the kernel |
| 04:56.41 | ljp | hmm |
| 04:57.06 | chouimat|down | DaWorm: it's not the openbeos people, they use newos (by an ex be programmer) |
| 04:57.13 | DaWorm | ohhhh |
| 04:58.06 | DaWorm | but they can't use beos for a name at all even if its openbeos |
| 04:58.15 | DaWorm | so they need to change their name in time |
| 04:58.44 | chouimat|down | DaWorm: they will change it soon |
| 04:58.56 | ljp | tascam was going to release a digital mixer/recorder that used BeIA.... before Be tanked |
| 04:59.15 | DaWorm | and they can't use Tracker at all, maybe another Tracker-like app |
| 05:04.33 | ljp | I even started development on Be and then they tanked |
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| 05:06.19 | DaWorm | their announcement of BeIA signalled stuff |
| 05:06.20 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:06.23 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:06.35 | warmi | me too .. I still have Be Advanced Topics book on my shelf |
| 05:07.01 | warmi | free for anyone who wants to learn about programming Be OS - I don't need it anymore :-) |
| 05:07.10 | ljp | hmmm |
| 05:07.20 | DaWorm | developer interest on be was strong though |
| 05:07.27 | warmi | DaWorm : we have at work this litle Sony station based on BeOS |
| 05:07.32 | warmi | it is still in working order |
| 05:07.38 | warmi | kinda slow but works |
| 05:07.40 | DaWorm | ohhh |
| 05:07.47 | ljp | I need a video card that beos canrun |
| 05:08.02 | warmi | kjp: voodo 3 will do just fine I think |
| 05:08.08 | warmi | I remember running BeOS on that |
| 05:08.26 | DaWorm | yeah even my old matrox works on them |
| 05:08.29 | chouimat | warmi: how much for the book ? |
| 05:08.46 | DaWorm | free |
| 05:08.57 | chouimat | even shipping? |
| 05:09.16 | DaWorm | oh, you ask him |
| 05:09.27 | chouimat | not tonight |
| 05:09.36 | DaWorm | <warmi> free for anyone who wants to learn about programming Be OS |
| 05:10.51 | warmi | chouimat : free |
| 05:10.59 | warmi | I can send it to you for free if you want |
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| 05:11.15 | warmi | in fact I have two books |
| 05:11.28 | warmi | Programming Be Operating System from O'Reilly |
| 05:11.40 | warmi | and Be Advanced Topics from the same publisher |
| 05:12.06 | chouimat | warmi: I have programming, but the other interess me, but I'm in Canada |
| 05:13.05 | warmi | I can send it to you anyway .. I don't care, it can't cost more than couple bucks to send it over |
| 05:13.20 | warmi | I can afford that ( so far, thank God) |
| 05:13.21 | warmi | heh |
| 05:13.43 | chouimat | warmi: ok. you send it from where? |
| 05:13.59 | warmi | Chicago |
| 05:14.53 | chouimat | warmi: I leave the 19th for 2 weeks, so I'm not sure If it will be here that date |
| 05:15.48 | warmi | well, it is up to you ... just send me an email when you are ready |
| 05:15.50 | warmi | warmi@warmi.net |
| 05:16.02 | warmi | 19th ? |
| 05:16.12 | warmi | hmm .. that like 2 weeks from now |
| 05:16.26 | warmi | should be more than enough but , well, your call :-) |
| 05:16.40 | chouimat | warmi: you postal services :) |
| 05:16.42 | warmi | on the other hand with Xmass and all ,they will be swamped |
| 05:17.28 | warmi | don't you have anyone at your place to pick it up when you are gone ? |
| 05:17.53 | chouimat | warmi: no, only someone who will come take care of my cat |
| 05:18.01 | warmi | ah ok |
| 05:18.08 | warmi | well, let me know when you are ready |
| 05:18.29 | warmi | I will throw this stuff away most likely in January or so ... I need to clean my place a bit |
| 05:18.41 | warmi | tons of old irrelevant books, magazines .. the usual mess |
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| 05:19.16 | chouimat | warmi:I just give my address |
| 05:19.43 | warmi | ok |
| 05:21.00 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:21.39 | brontos | for some reason the package program cannot see the packages on my cf card and I am using oz any ideas? |
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| 05:44.23 | pmax | anyone bought one of those Zaurus for $250? |
| 05:45.16 | warmi | where ? |
| 05:45.24 | treke|la1top | warmi: the zaurus vip deal |
| 05:45.31 | boulez | I don't think I trust those folks |
| 05:45.38 | treke|la1top | boulez: It's sharp |
| 05:45.39 | warmi | yeah, I hear about that but where and who offered that ? |
| 05:45.40 | treke|la1top | and its over |
| 05:45.47 | boulez | it's not over |
| 05:45.48 | treke|la1top | warmi: it was sharps comdex discount |
| 05:45.48 | warmi | ah Sharp |
| 05:45.59 | treke|la1top | boulez: Looked liek it was monday |
| 05:46.00 | warmi | was it availble at comdex only ? |
| 05:46.02 | boulez | it was over, but it came back |
| 05:46.07 | treke|la1top | ah |
| 05:46.14 | pmax | so it is officially sharp offering this for sure? |
| 05:46.37 | treke|la1top | pmax: 99% sure |
| 05:46.41 | pmax | hehehe |
| 05:46.58 | pmax | if they have an ssl cert from Thawte, then I have some legal recourse anyways |
| 05:47.05 | boulez | Here's the thing - I tried to call the folks listed on the whois for the site - Lulu, Inc. I was given two separate numbers to call to talk to the person who knew about stock - the first one was a fax machine, the second wasn't a real number |
| 05:47.07 | warmi | any links ? |
| 05:47.34 | treke|la1top | warmi: zaurusvip.com |
| 05:47.39 | boulez | When I called back, I was told to leave a message for a particular person. They never called back. I called again today and left a message directly on that person's voicemail. They never called back. |
| 05:47.47 | treke|la1top | boulez: hehe |
| 05:48.07 | boulez | So, sure, maybe it is Sharp. But whoever's running the site is either 1) irresponsible as hell or 2) totally not legit. |
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| 05:48.34 | pmax | www.e-commanager.com is hosting the secure purchasing |
| 05:48.47 | warmi | well, at list the site looks like Sharp Zaurus oriented sites |
| 05:48.48 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:49.11 | Piete | heya warmi |
| 05:49.18 | treke|la1top | boulez: Do you remember the name of the person you left a message for? |
| 05:50.16 | pmax | btw does ktrove actually work? it doesn't launch for me |
| 05:50.48 | warmi | hi |
| 05:56.50 | brontos | for some reason the package program cannot see the packages on my cf card and I am using oz any ideas? |
| 05:59.01 | brontos | anyone know where I can get the qpe-base package? |
| 05:59.10 | treke|la1top | brontos: you have it already |
| 05:59.13 | treke|la1top | use -force-depends |
| 05:59.18 | brontos | oh ok |
| 06:00.12 | treke|la1top | I dont think the zaurus explicitly lists the qpe-base package as installed, but the Zaurus has it |
| 06:01.13 | warmi | wasn't qpe-base just a dummy package |
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| 06:01.38 | brontos | what do you all use to keep finances in the z? |
| 06:01.58 | ChipX86|Coding | my Z hasn't really helped in that department.. in fact, it kind of made things worse ;) |
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| 06:02.06 | treke|la1top | warmi: I think someone made a dummy package for it. The way troll techs cvs build packages, it contained libqpe.so |
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| 06:02.27 | warmi | heh |
| 06:02.39 | warmi | ChipX86|Coding : hehehe |
| 06:03.43 | warmi | tckKapital is the only one available right ? |
| 06:04.04 | treke|la1top | theres opie-checkbook and a semi working stash |
| 06:04.18 | warmi | ah ok |
| 06:04.23 | warmi | how's opie-checkbook |
| 06:04.25 | warmi | ? |
| 06:04.33 | warmi | comparable to Kapital ? |
| 06:04.50 | treke|la1top | good enough for me. I havent heard many good things about kapital though :) |
| 06:04.58 | brontos | stash was good but I haven't been able to install it after I installed oz |
| 06:05.18 | warmi | well, then you know more about that stuff than me brontos ;-) |
| 06:05.28 | warmi | treke : you run familiar, right ? |
| 06:05.31 | treke|la1top | too bad stash was dumped |
| 06:05.32 | treke|la1top | warmi: yeah |
| 06:05.41 | warmi | does this stuff work on it ? |
| 06:05.45 | treke|la1top | yup |
| 06:05.48 | warmi | I mean tkcKapital etc ? |
| 06:05.52 | warmi | cool |
| 06:06.02 | treke|la1top | warmi: Familiar seems to have fewer problems than openzaurus |
| 06:06.15 | warmi | well, it is certainly more mature |
| 06:06.44 | treke|la1top | kergoth ran into a few binary compatibility problems, not sure if they've been fixed yet. |
| 06:07.00 | pmax | treke|la1top: you're sure this is the same deal that sharp was offering at comdex? |
| 06:07.33 | warmi | treke : is it possible to run familiar on the zaurus ? |
| 06:07.38 | warmi | it should be |
| 06:07.53 | treke|la1top | warmi: in theory someone could port it |
| 06:07.54 | warmi | I mean OZ is just another Debian version just like familiar |
| 06:08.25 | warmi | on the other hand people are not rushing to do that since Zaurus by deafult already runs Linux |
| 06:08.27 | warmi | heh |
| 06:09.24 | Piete | I really want a nice X based UI.. |
| 06:09.29 | treke|la1top | I'm sure kergoth'll figure it out |
| 06:09.37 | treke|la1top | Piete: OPIE/X11? :p |
| 06:09.41 | Piete | apps would be so much easier to port :) |
| 06:09.47 | Piete | treke|la1top: bingo |
| 06:09.52 | warmi | Piete : heh .. there is no such thing as "nice X based UI" |
| 06:09.53 | warmi | ;-) |
| 06:09.58 | treke|la1top | Piete: http://handhelds.org/~zecke/screenshots/opie/images.html |
| 06:10.05 | Piete | warmi: ahem Fluxbox, ahem |
| 06:10.21 | treke|la1top | Piete: you do mean openbox don't you? :p |
| 06:10.30 | Piete | treke|lo |
| 06:10.31 | Piete | lol |
| 06:10.47 | warmi | Fluxbox :: another WM for X |
| 06:10.48 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:10.52 | warmi | got to check that one out |
| 06:11.12 | Piete | currently I run gnome2, its pretty nice. |
| 06:11.25 | Piete | I used to run WindowMaker and Fluxbox and Xfce |
| 06:11.33 | treke|la1top | or maybe it was KDE. hard to tell |
| 06:11.42 | Piete | I still use them on my older boxen |
| 06:11.45 | warmi | well, I run KDE 3 - I think it is the nicest of the buch but that's just me |
| 06:12.04 | Piete | warmi: yea, kde3 is nice,, just a little slow (compared to gtk2) |
| 06:12.12 | warmi | Xfce looks very nice but underneath it is just another CDE clone and I have CDE |
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| 06:12.18 | warmi | hate , that is |
| 06:12.50 | Piete | treke|la1top: damn, where did you get a zaurus with a screen this big? http://handhelds.org/~zecke/screenshots/opie/opie-x11-2.png |
| 06:12.52 | Piete | :P |
| 06:12.57 | treke|la1top | Piete: haha |
| 06:13.35 | treke|la1top | zecke must have some big pockets |
| 06:13.54 | Piete | treke|la1top: lol |
| 06:14.21 | Piete | treke|la1top: it looks nice.. It just doesn't seem to feel as 'integrated' as normal opie |
| 06:14.27 | Piete | http://handhelds.org/~zecke/screenshots/opie/opie-x25-5.png <-- it looks awkward |
| 06:14.28 | warmi | heh |
| 06:14.44 | warmi | it has that "motif" look |
| 06:15.01 | Piete | yaay! motif! <not> |
| 06:15.09 | treke|la1top | hehe |
| 06:15.42 | warmi | that's why I don't like GTK default look - it reminds me of bastarized motif |
| 06:16.38 | warmi | treke : you run Gnome ? |
| 06:16.46 | treke|la1top | openbox |
| 06:17.04 | treke|la1top | with a few gtk apps |
| 06:17.08 | Piete | I think I'ma pick up 256 more ram this weekend |
| 06:17.21 | Piete | 256 is just not enough :) |
| 06:17.29 | Piete | 512 is more like it :) |
| 06:17.39 | warmi | http://www.openbox.org/ returns interesting page |
| 06:17.52 | treke|la1top | http://icculus.org/openbox |
| 06:17.56 | DaWorm | the more the merrier |
| 06:18.41 | warmi | openbox looks like KDE |
| 06:19.10 | warmi | treke : not that .. it is just it shows default Red-Hat installed Apache page |
| 06:19.11 | DaWorm | crystal icons |
| 06:19.12 | treke|la1top | does it? Doesnt look any different from blackbox to me. Just some extra fatures |
| 06:19.13 | warmi | :-) |
| 06:19.28 | warmi | look at that :http://icculus.org/openbox/shots/full/default2.png |
| 06:19.31 | DaWorm | but plain blackbox is nice |
| 06:19.36 | warmi | that is KDe |
| 06:19.38 | warmi | uh .. |
| 06:19.41 | warmi | I don't get it |
| 06:19.59 | treke|la1top | warmi: thats the kde panel :) |
| 06:20.17 | warmi | ah , alright , so they run KDE without running kdewm |
| 06:20.36 | warmi | does openbox provide any sort of panel ? |
| 06:20.45 | warmi | another screenshots shows Gnome panel :-) |
| 06:20.47 | treke|la1top | just the blackbox toolbar |
| 06:21.27 | Com[Plex] | hey guys. anyone nkow anything about the hardware of the zaurus? |
| 06:21.27 | DaWorm | http://icculus.org/openbox/shots/full/mwil-sshot.png -> nice |
| 06:21.44 | treke|la1top | http://info.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/openbox.png |
| 06:22.04 | warmi | Com[Plex] : uh .. kergoth would be your best chance |
| 06:22.09 | treke|la1top | other than color changes, thats pretty much stock openbox |
| 06:22.15 | Com[Plex] | theres a little port on the zaurus. next to the battery; 8 little gold plated dots on the mainboard. I want to make my zaurus read ia new romimage. |
| 06:22.32 | Com[Plex] | and I wanna know if I can do it by sending signals to those ports. |
| 06:22.40 | warmi | treke : that looks like blackbox panel :-) |
| 06:22.54 | Piete | http://teachkorea.netfirms.com/Screenshot-1.png <-- my current desk |
| 06:23.09 | warmi | Com[Plex] uh ... sorry , that's to hardcore hardwarewise for me :-) |
| 06:23.11 | Com[Plex] | wow... |
| 06:23.15 | treke|la1top | warmi: Openbox is based off blackbox. They added it netwm support and a couple other things. Not a revolutionary change in blackbox though |
| 06:23.19 | Com[Plex] | whats special about it? |
| 06:23.52 | warmi | Piete : perhaps you shoudl get yourself a real thing - namely Os X box :-) |
| 06:24.15 | Piete | warmi: its sad really |
| 06:24.21 | Piete | warmi: I don't have the money |
| 06:24.21 | Com[Plex] | too bad warmi. |
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| 06:24.44 | Com[Plex] | Im an op in #hardocp on efnet. hehe. nothing is too [h]ardcore for me. |
| 06:24.44 | warmi | Piete : yeah , me too .. and even if I had I would not buy it - nice but definately overpriced |
| 06:24.51 | Piete | warmi: heh yea |
| 06:25.01 | warmi | Com[Plex] : heheh |
| 06:25.02 | DaWorm | http://www.gotangco.com/desktop/20021203.jpg -> my notebook at home |
| 06:25.03 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:25.06 | Piete | warmi: a nice titanium powerbook would make an awesome toy tho |
| 06:25.27 | warmi | DaWorm : uh ... that's Gnome .. uh ... |
| 06:25.40 | warmi | ;-) |
| 06:25.42 | DaWorm | warmi: yeah, that's stock...i haven't installed anything else yet |
| 06:25.48 | DaWorm | that's stock rh8 |
| 06:25.52 | DaWorm | too lazy to do stuff |
| 06:25.59 | warmi | Piete : yeah .. but still too expensive for what it can do hardware-wise |
| 06:26.02 | DaWorm | at least its christmas |
| 06:26.03 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:26.06 | warmi | rh8 ??? |
| 06:26.12 | warmi | is there already rh8 ? |
| 06:26.14 | Piete | oh look! he has xsnow! DaWorm has Xsnow! |
| 06:26.17 | Piete | :P |
| 06:26.18 | DaWorm | hahaha |
| 06:26.20 | DaWorm | :P |
| 06:26.25 | treke|la1top | warmi: you sure its gnome? could be kde :p |
| 06:26.36 | Piete | warmi: they have elen feiss |
| 06:26.53 | Piete | warmi: and they claim its a "supercomputer" |
| 06:26.54 | warmi | Piete : that stoned 16 year old ? |
| 06:26.54 | Piete | remember? |
| 06:26.55 | warmi | heeh |
| 06:26.57 | Piete | warmi: lol |
| 06:26.59 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:26.59 | Piete | warmi: yea |
| 06:27.05 | DaWorm | yeah man she's stoned |
| 06:27.10 | Piete | warmi: that was hell funny |
| 06:27.12 | Piete | beeep beeep |
| 06:27.18 | treke|la1top | warmi: Only way you can tell the difference between gnome and kde on rh8 is by the crappier icon rendering in kde |
| 06:27.23 | oGMo | treke|la1top: it's gnome, see the little arrows on the bar? |
| 06:27.26 | warmi | yeah |
| 06:27.49 | warmi | treke: oh right ... I read about that - there was a lot of stink generated by RH mixing KDE and Gnome |
| 06:28.03 | oGMo | http://www.nwlink.com/~rpav/rox-sawfish3.png <-- not gnome OR kde ;) |
| 06:28.11 | Piete | bye akk :) |
| 06:28.11 | warmi | heh .. still remember /. whining about that |
| 06:28.30 | treke|la1top | oGMo: good ole rox |
| 06:28.32 | oGMo | they didn't mix anything, though |
| 06:28.47 | warmi | I would love to show you my current desktop but it is plain "out of the box" Windows 2000 .. |
| 06:28.48 | oGMo | they just made a uniform bluecurve theme, which incidentally rocks |
| 06:28.49 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:28.52 | oGMo | treke|la1top: :) |
| 06:29.07 | oGMo | it's actually fast |
| 06:29.09 | treke|la1top | that is truly my ideal file manager |
| 06:29.17 | DaWorm | i like bluecurve |
| 06:29.23 | brontos | what program do you all use to find files on the z? |
| 06:29.32 | oGMo | brontos: find? ;) |
| 06:29.35 | warmi | brontos : find ? |
| 06:29.38 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:29.48 | oGMo | or are you looking for something that's more ... gooey |
| 06:29.51 | warmi | but there are Java based apps and even Qt based file finders |
| 06:29.52 | brontos | I have been trying to use it but I never get any results |
| 06:30.20 | oGMo | brontos: ok, best way to approach this... what are you trying to do...? |
| 06:30.46 | brontos | I installed a package called minide now I can't find it |
| 06:32.26 | warmi | brontos :http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=672 |
| 06:32.26 | oGMo | brontos: see, try ipkg list minide |
| 06:32.26 | oGMo | or, it might not actually be 'list' |
| 06:32.27 | warmi | time to go |
| 06:32.27 | warmi | gnight |
| 06:32.27 | Com[Plex] | operacreator... http://me.256k.net/zaurus/operacreator_1.5_arm.ipk |
| 06:32.28 | Com[Plex] | needs the new preload libs to work on oz3 tho |
| 06:34.49 | DaWorm | Com[Plex]: your Z ok now? |
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| 06:44.12 | Com[Plex] | no daworm |
| 06:44.16 | frankps | morning |
| 06:44.29 | Com[Plex] | its not okay. im calling sharp tomorrow to find out where to send it for service. |
| 06:44.43 | Com[Plex] | brontos: I use ";ocate |
| 06:44.46 | Com[Plex] | "locate" |
| 06:45.16 | Com[Plex] | theres a locate ipk available somewhere, lets you create a database of yoru files, and then use "locate" to find them. |
| 06:45.24 | Com[Plex] | much either than useing find. |
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| 07:06.07 | the_hoser | anyone here? |
| 07:06.11 | boulez | yep |
| 07:06.20 | the_hoser | anyone here use openzaurus? |
| 07:06.33 | boulez | I don't have a Zaurus, so no ;) |
| 07:06.40 | the_hoser | :( |
| 07:06.43 | the_hoser | then why are you here? |
| 07:06.59 | boulez | Ah, you know - no friends, no life, that sort of thing. |
| 07:07.15 | the_hoser | *sigh* |
| 07:07.18 | boulez | Actually, I'm planning to buy one and like to see what sorts of things are happening with them |
| 07:07.42 | the_hoser | well... openzaurus is nice... but my darn pretec nic wont work... |
| 07:07.55 | boulez | I think I just saw a thread about that |
| 07:07.55 | the_hoser | openzaurus is much nicer than the standard sharp rom |
| 07:07.56 | boulez | hang on |
| 07:08.25 | boulez | no, i take it back...it might have been an email from the mailing list |
| 07:08.56 | boulez | sorry, it was about pretec gps units |
| 07:08.57 | boulez | my bad |
| 07:10.25 | DaWorm | the_hoser: more is yet to come on oz :) |
| 07:11.23 | the_hoser | \DaWorm, i would love to ride the train... but i need to get my cf nic working first |
| 07:11.41 | DaWorm | doesnt? |
| 07:11.44 | the_hoser | nope |
| 07:11.44 | DaWorm | doesnt? |
| 07:11.51 | the_hoser | worked fine in the sharp rom |
| 07:11.56 | DaWorm | what brand |
| 07:12.00 | the_hoser | but the oz rom doesnt know what it is |
| 07:12.01 | the_hoser | pretec |
| 07:12.06 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 07:12.18 | the_hoser | the one reccomended on the myzaurus.com |
| 07:12.22 | DaWorm | just plain ethernet card right.... |
| 07:12.28 | the_hoser | yeah |
| 07:12.49 | the_hoser | i pop it in and it says "unsupported card" |
| 07:13.27 | DaWorm | hmmm..i'm not so sure, but oz does favor wireless |
| 07:13.44 | DaWorm | so you're right, it probably doesnt have a driver for that |
| 07:14.12 | the_hoser | how does one add the driver... it says its ne2000 compatable on the back of the card |
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| 07:14.22 | Saurian | Evening all |
| 07:15.08 | Saurian | Anyone use the QT python library for the Z? |
| 07:15.10 | the_hoser | im going to be forced to go back to the sharp rom, and i like the "liquid" theme in oz... |
| 07:16.29 | DaWorm | hmmm...sandman's coming up with something for qtopia |
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| 07:16.37 | DaWorm | including customized backgrounds and all |
| 07:17.12 | the_hoser | heh... |
| 07:17.17 | the_hoser | i dont wanna tho :-P |
| 07:20.10 | ElzWhere | whenever i try to use the liquid style in oz3 my damn tabs turn grey and stay grey anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 07:24.37 | jbardin | man.. the more i think about spam the more it upsets me |
| 07:24.57 | boulez | ha! |
| 07:25.03 | boulez | try not to think about it |
| 07:25.14 | boulez | It'll just make you sad. And whatever you do, don't read articles about it., |
| 07:25.28 | boulez | Do you get mail through a domain that you can control? |
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| 07:28.25 | jbardin | no |
| 07:28.35 | jbardin | its a decent free provider, softhome.net |
| 07:28.46 | boulez | ahh...that's unfortunate. I haven't gotten a spam in about six months since I installed filters on my domain |
| 07:28.50 | jbardin | i have had that service since Pentium 100mhz where top shit |
| 07:29.34 | jbardin | i am sending an email right now to their support dept to see if there 'pro' service offers any benifit. |
| 07:30.21 | Saurian | A lighter wallet? }:) |
| 07:30.41 | jbardin | ha, actually its not too expsinve for the pro account |
| 07:31.14 | Saurian | I'd actually try and write a decent mail client for the Z..if I could figure out his &#^@ QT python package. }:) |
| 07:31.29 | Saurian | ^his^this |
| 07:32.19 | jbardin | hmm, why not contribute to the other several email clients avaialbe |
| 07:32.33 | Saurian | Because I don't know C? }:) |
| 07:33.08 | Saurian | So I'd be sort of a useless contributer. }:) |
| 07:33.13 | jbardin | well not really |
| 07:35.15 | jbardin | whatever ideas you have for your own, you could emasil the developers of the other clients |
| 07:35.15 | jbardin | to see if they had similar ideas, and ways to code it in c |
| 07:35.15 | Saurian | I'm pretty sure they wouldn't find patches submitted in perl or python to be too handy. }:) |
| 07:36.19 | jbardin | whats so bad about the current email client.. i have never used it |
| 07:36.19 | Saurian | I dunno. Haven't used any but the one the Z comes with. I'd just do it for the QT practice...except that this Z QT package doesn't unpack into a python library, it unpacks into a shared object of some sort. |
| 07:36.41 | jbardin | hmm |
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| 07:41.26 | jbwiv | hey guys. What's an easy way to tell where a program has been installed (main mem or CF)? |
| 07:47.43 | jbardin | haha http://www.sandman.com/telco.html |
| 07:47.57 | jbardin | check out some of the products at the bottom of the page |
| 07:48.36 | boulez | omigod |
| 07:49.30 | jbwiv | also, I've been using the Sharp rom for quite awhile, but would like to upgrade to opie/openzaurus. Is there any way to retain and use data stored in main memory in the sharp rom (such as address book, etc.) for use in opie/openz? thx... |
| 07:50.59 | lsmith | hmm i am not sure if you can import your data into the opie pim apps |
| 07:51.08 | jbwiv | I can't believe they can say "would have really helped my muscles after that stressful hotel stay" and keep a straight face ;-P |
| 07:51.11 | lsmith | but you can definately backup your data to a cf card |
| 07:51.18 | jbardin | haha seriusly |
| 07:51.23 | lsmith | and then copy them over once you are done with the flash |
| 07:51.36 | jbardin | and in reality there is only like .01 volts running through the tel line |
| 07:51.55 | jbwiv | lsmith, yes...got it backed up, but what a pain to re-type all my address in :( |
| 07:52.09 | lsmith | ask in #opie |
| 07:52.31 | jbwiv | cool...thx. |
| 08:01.48 | jbardin | haha http://www.dionisus.com/~icebox/dav/aol.htm |
| 08:02.59 | boulez | ha! |
| 08:06.40 | ElzWhere | LOL |
| 08:06.42 | ElzWhere | omg |
| 08:06.45 | jbardin | haha |
| 08:07.07 | jbwiv | ouch. |
| 08:08.15 | sig | who is that fag? |
| 08:08.22 | sig | who is skylers stupid?? |
| 08:09.52 | jbardin | who knows |
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| 08:38.28 | DaWorm | hahaha |
| 08:38.32 | DaWorm | goodness |
| 08:41.28 | ChipX86 | hahah that's great |
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| 09:20.25 | Piete | hey all |
| 09:22.08 | Twiun | hiya Piete |
| 09:26.24 | Twiun | how goes it? |
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| 10:22.19 | SillyZ | mornin |
| 10:32.36 | Twiun | Yo |
| 10:32.58 | SillyZ | how goes Twiun ? |
| 10:35.22 | Twiun | Quite well... getting stumped by a build problem I'm having, but good overall, yourself? |
| 10:37.01 | SillyZ | just owke up here |
| 10:37.07 | SillyZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.27 | SillyZ | she seems to like to go bonkers once were in bed |
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| 10:44.05 | Twiun | SillyZ: hehehe |
| 10:45.32 | Dilb | hi |
| 10:46.04 | Twiun | hey |
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| 12:08.12 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser_: ping ? |
| 12:08.28 | Saurian | Pong? |
| 12:09.54 | sandman_ | Saurian: talk to mickeyl .. he wrote it |
| 12:10.19 | Saurian | Thank god. It seems to either not install right, or I'm a moron. }:) |
| 12:10.28 | Saurian | Prolly the later. }:) |
| 12:21.45 | SillyZ | hehehehehehehe |
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| 12:43.45 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser_: ping ? |
| 12:44.31 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 12:44.59 | sandman_ | hi Cloudchaser_ |
| 12:45.03 | Cloudchaser | hiya :) |
| 12:45.06 | Cloudchaser | how are you doing today? |
| 12:45.12 | sandman_ | If have hacked in a little extra: http://h1.handhelds.org/scap/port.21339.png |
| 12:45.43 | Cloudchaser | oooh.. the smaller icons? |
| 12:45.45 | sandman_ | Actually I have a flu, but apart from that fairly good .. |
| 12:46.00 | sandman_ | Yes .. for the doc tab (configureable) |
| 12:46.09 | Cloudchaser | nice |
| 12:46.22 | Cloudchaser | just for doc tab? |
| 12:46.40 | Cloudchaser | hehe i mostly ignore the docs tab :) |
| 12:46.51 | sandman_ | yes .. it was difficult enough to find out which is the doc tab |
| 12:47.53 | Cloudchaser | i am sooo looking forward to the day that docs tab gets fixed/changed into something usable |
| 12:48.46 | Cloudchaser | hoping for new rom that incorporates some of the nice features the a300 has sometime |
| 12:49.01 | sandman_ | complain to TT .. they thought it was a great idea to hide the filesystem from the user .. |
| 12:50.06 | Cloudchaser | well..i suppose i understand their logic on that to an extent |
| 12:50.45 | Cloudchaser | however...there are obviously many of us who don't want it hidden |
| 12:51.05 | Saurian | There should be an environment variable for it. HAS_A_CLUE. };) |
| 12:51.10 | Cloudchaser | lol |
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| 12:51.57 | Cloudchaser | well there are some mime types missing in qtopia desktop...which means folks hve to find their files once they synch |
| 12:52.06 | Cloudchaser | and..for those that don't synch |
| 12:52.30 | Cloudchaser | well.. the tree view makes more sense |
| 12:52.47 | sandman_ | in theory I could put an OFileSelector widget on top of the document QIconView ... |
| 12:53.03 | Cloudchaser | what would that do? |
| 12:53.23 | sandman_ | You would have a filemanager as a document tab |
| 12:53.29 | Cloudchaser | ah nice |
| 12:53.37 | sandman_ | mind you .. "in theory" |
| 12:54.10 | Saurian | What you coding for sandman_? |
| 12:54.12 | Cloudchaser | i think thats one of the coolest things about oz..the fact that things can be changed in the rom |
| 12:54.31 | ljp | thats the plan actually, after zecke rewrites ofileselector |
| 12:54.34 | Cloudchaser | although i don't have the knowledge...those that do can make those changes |
| 12:54.52 | Cloudchaser | i look forward to using it again some day |
| 12:55.19 | Cloudchaser | unfortunately there are some issues no one has a handle on yet |
| 12:55.24 | Cloudchaser | for me anyway |
| 12:58.48 | Cloudchaser | sandman_: i hope you feel better soon |
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| 13:00.04 | Cloudchaser | you know.. the documents tab in itself isn't such a bad idea |
| 13:01.52 | ljp | they didnt think about huge cf cards |
| 13:02.15 | Saurian | In a perfect world (IMHO), the desktop'd be written in an interpreted language (and the Z'd have a fast enough processor), so folks could hack on it without recompiling. }:) |
| 13:03.37 | Saurian | The documents tab would rock if I could pass it some perl code to use to build the contents list. }:) But... }:) |
| 13:04.50 | Cloudchaser | yes and it shows *too many* things |
| 13:04.58 | Cloudchaser | not just your documents and pictures |
| 13:05.04 | Cloudchaser | but every picture |
| 13:05.17 | Cloudchaser | application pictures, application icons, etc |
| 13:05.41 | Cloudchaser | and..like yous said.. with big cards it is a huge hindrance |
| 13:06.32 | Cloudchaser | would be good if you could even choose the directorys that display there |
| 13:06.43 | Cloudchaser | but then again thats getting into the tree thing |
| 13:24.23 | Cloudchaser | its snowing again ;) |
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| 13:31.41 | Piete | hey all |
| 13:31.50 | Cloudchaser | hiya Piete |
| 13:32.04 | Piete | :) |
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| 13:32.42 | CrazyGogo | reh |
| 13:32.50 | CrazyGogo | anyone using qutopia gnuboy? |
| 13:33.36 | Cloudchaser | i have in the past |
| 13:34.16 | CrazyGogo | hmm.. did u get games to work? they lod just fine.. but i cant use keys to play them... sometimes the up/doown is mapped correctly.. but nothing else.. |
| 13:38.01 | Cloudchaser | i think i had better luck with gameboyZ |
| 13:38.16 | CrazyGogo | ah.. hmm i'll try that one then... |
| 13:38.19 | Cloudchaser | gnuboy i couldn't figure out all the control keys i think |
| 13:38.27 | CrazyGogo | xactly! |
| 13:38.42 | Cloudchaser | with gameboyz you can do all things iwth the hardware keys, if i remember right |
| 13:49.20 | CrazyGogo | mmm gameboyz ipk doesnt work :(( |
| 13:49.34 | CrazyGogo | still got urs somewhere? |
| 13:52.30 | Cloudchaser | did you install sdl? |
| 13:52.35 | Cloudchaser | and what rom are you using? |
| 13:54.27 | Cloudchaser | if you're using oz3 i think sdl is already installed, might have to force depends |
| 13:54.42 | Cloudchaser | if you're using sharp rom you'll have to get the sdl ipkg and install it first |
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| 13:56.25 | SillyZ | mornin |
| 13:56.43 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 13:57.51 | Piete | hey there |
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| 14:08.10 | CrazyGogo | could someone send the libSDL ipk to me? the download is down :( |
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| 14:12.43 | CrazyGogo | re Cloudchaser |
| 14:13.10 | CrazyGogo | do u have to libsdl still somewhere around? the dl seems to be down for me... |
| 14:13.27 | Cloudchaser | on zsi? |
| 14:13.41 | CrazyGogo | thats where? |
| 14:13.48 | Cloudchaser | ibot zsi |
| 14:14.07 | CrazyGogo | links to http://www.gnurou.org/zaurus/feed/ <-- doesnt work |
| 14:14.30 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: not at all suprising; site is often down. I've got 'em. One sec. |
| 14:14.38 | rabbit_uk_ | try http://www.zauruszone.com/feed |
| 14:14.43 | CrazyGogo | cool |
| 14:14.51 | numatrix | rabbit_uk_: oh yeah; good idea |
| 14:14.53 | CrazyGogo | numatrix: the gameboyz ipk, too? |
| 14:14.54 | numatrix | ibot zfi sdl |
| 14:15.07 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: I made gameboyz, so I should certainly have that ipk sitting around. ;-) |
| 14:15.13 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 14:15.16 | Cloudchaser | hehe you did numatrix? |
| 14:15.18 | rabbit_uk_ | :) |
| 14:15.22 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: well, ported, but yeah. |
| 14:15.23 | Cloudchaser | i didn't realize that ;) |
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| 14:15.27 | CrazyGogo | the gnuboy thingy doesnt work |
| 14:15.44 | Cloudchaser | it *does* work, you just have to know the keys to use |
| 14:15.49 | CrazyGogo | cant control anything... |
| 14:15.51 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: That was my contribution to the sharp contest and the only reason I still have a zaurus. |
| 14:15.57 | Cloudchaser | ah neato |
| 14:16.02 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: arrows, J, L, SPACE and ENTER if I recall. |
| 14:16.09 | CrazyGogo | oh well.. i think i treid pretty much all the keys :) |
| 14:16.15 | Cloudchaser | why is it the only reason you have it still? |
| 14:16.21 | Cloudchaser | you don't like the z? |
| 14:16.22 | CrazyGogo | arrows only up and down? |
| 14:16.43 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: I love it; long story short, Best Buy shafted me when I returned my 5500 and told me that a different BB store had it when it didn't. |
| 14:16.50 | rabbit_uk_ | ne1 installed qtopiadesktop on Linux? |
| 14:16.51 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 14:17.01 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: arrows are up/down, left/right just like you'd expect. |
| 14:17.07 | Cloudchaser | i have in the past, don't have it installed now though |
| 14:17.11 | numatrix | rabbit_uk_: yeah, somewhere around here though I never use it. |
| 14:17.20 | Cloudchaser | (qtopia desktop that is) |
| 14:17.25 | CrazyGogo | numatrix: keys dont work... |
| 14:17.34 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: for which one? |
| 14:17.38 | rabbit_uk_ | It doesn't sync for some reason. |
| 14:17.42 | CrazyGogo | which game? |
| 14:17.51 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: the keys I gave you above were for qtopiagnubo, not gameboyz |
| 14:17.59 | Cloudchaser | gameboyz works great |
| 14:18.14 | Cloudchaser | i didn't notice any speed difference between it and gnuboy |
| 14:18.24 | Cloudchaser | both are a tad slow but playable |
| 14:18.26 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: There's a newer version of the backend that I'd ~really~ like to get going that has an in-game menu and is pretty nifty. It tends to segfault though; still working that out. |
| 14:18.53 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: yeah, that was my impression as well. gbz uses sdl so that's it's advantage, but warmi optimized qtopiagnuboy with some arm asm blits, so it goes pretty quick as well. |
| 14:18.55 | Cloudchaser | numatrix: any way to make it bigger to fill screen horizontally? |
| 14:19.27 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: Unfortunately, not. The problem is that the screen width isn't a multiple of the gameboy size, so there's no 'easy' way to do it. Any stretching of the screen would slow things down too much. |
| 14:19.33 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 14:19.36 | Cloudchaser | i understand |
| 14:19.41 | Cloudchaser | i'm just half-blind; ) |
| 14:20.07 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: :-) I understand, it was one of my top priorities when I started working on gbz (that and using the hardware keys, which I did finally fix) |
| 14:20.18 | Cloudchaser | rather have speed optimizations than anything |
| 14:20.29 | numatrix | Unfortunately, it will take somebody who actually knows how to code as opposed to me to get it going better. ;-) |
| 14:20.49 | Cloudchaser | even warmi's seems a bit sluggish to me (meaning i can actually play it cause i'm not great at games :) |
| 14:21.08 | Cloudchaser | i like them.. i'm just not too good at them ;) |
| 14:21.11 | numatrix | Somebody on the mailing list was commenting a long time ago about how they wrote a front end and changed qtopiagnuboy so it would have custom keys, even using the HW keys, but I haven't seen it released anywhere. I should run that down) |
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| 14:21.29 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: I mostly play RPG's, which are perfect for 80-90% speed. You don't really need super quick responses most of the time. |
| 14:21.52 | Cloudchaser | i like little scrollers but those probly need some speed |
| 14:22.01 | Cloudchaser | i got the xrick |
| 14:22.05 | CrazyGogo | numatrix: is there a DOC or sumfin for the emu? |
| 14:22.06 | de | I remember fondly yesterday thinking of today, and now the tomarrow of yesterday is today |
| 14:22.10 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: depends on the game. Ironically, some of the gameboy color games work better; you should try those. |
| 14:22.13 | Cloudchaser | but it rotates and its hard to play it for me |
| 14:22.18 | Cloudchaser | i have gameboy color games |
| 14:22.23 | Cloudchaser | like mario |
| 14:22.26 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: there's help built into the launcher, iirc. |
| 14:22.32 | Cloudchaser | seems to be in slooow motion |
| 14:22.45 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: after you run the launcher for gameboyz (same as qtopiagnuboy), click the ? in the title bar. |
| 14:23.05 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: really? Bummer. It depends on how the game was done if the emulator will work well on it. I don't know much more than that. |
| 14:23.18 | Cloudchaser | s'ok |
| 14:23.38 | numatrix | One of these days I keep meaning to really learn how to program. ;-) Until then, I'll keep breaking other people's code. |
| 14:23.47 | Cloudchaser | the xrick one looks like it oculd be fun if i could get past that first boulder which keeps running over me |
| 14:23.55 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 14:24.06 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: I liked the screenshots, but I haven't tried it yet. That hard, huh? |
| 14:24.12 | CrazyGogo | hmmm theres no help... |
| 14:24.15 | Cloudchaser | i don't like rotated games though, too hard to do controls on the side |
| 14:24.25 | CrazyGogo | sometime L and J work... |
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| 14:24.31 | Cloudchaser | and i'm right handed and the controls are on the left |
| 14:24.47 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: being left-handed, I don't mind. ;-) |
| 14:24.57 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: which version did you install? You probably got an old version. |
| 14:25.01 | Cloudchaser | going to ask the guy (i think its badl) if its possible to play it non-rotated |
| 14:25.11 | CrazyGogo | numatrix: the one at killefiz... |
| 14:25.20 | Cloudchaser | it worked for me |
| 14:25.25 | CrazyGogo | 0.2? |
| 14:25.31 | Cloudchaser | i just havent' re-installed it since i switched back to sharp rom |
| 14:25.32 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: Hmm, yeah 0.2 should be it. Let me try it. |
| 14:25.37 | CrazyGogo | ah no |
| 14:25.41 | CrazyGogo | thats the gambouz |
| 14:25.48 | CrazyGogo | im playing with gnuboy! |
| 14:25.52 | Cloudchaser | yes thats what we're talking about |
| 14:25.57 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: oh, you're talking about gnuboy? Gotcha. |
| 14:25.58 | Cloudchaser | gameboyz |
| 14:26.04 | CrazyGogo | gnuboy! |
| 14:26.11 | numatrix | Let's start over. CrazyGogo: what do you want to know about gnuboy? |
| 14:26.19 | numatrix | :-) |
| 14:26.24 | CrazyGogo | how to control :) |
| 14:26.32 | numatrix | J L aren't working? |
| 14:26.44 | CrazyGogo | sometimes J + L + left/right arrow seem to work... |
| 14:26.46 | Cloudchaser | do search on zaurus zone for gnuboy.. one of the posts tells all the controls |
| 14:26.51 | CrazyGogo | but i need more control :) |
| 14:27.05 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: Select and Enter, like I said. Or maybe TAB. Two of those three, I think. |
| 14:27.08 | Cloudchaser | gameboyz works all from the d-pad |
| 14:27.19 | Cloudchaser | or mostly anyway iirc |
| 14:27.25 | CrazyGogo | or sapce (thats what u said!) :)) |
| 14:27.31 | de | http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/47/ |
| 14:27.38 | CrazyGogo | space |
| 14:27.48 | numatrix | CrazyGogo: whoops, yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 14:27.53 | Cloudchaser | numatrix: can you port other linux games to the z? |
| 14:27.55 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: Yeah, I was happy when I figured that out. Actually did some code myself. |
| 14:28.09 | Cloudchaser | i like it that way..with the hardware controls |
| 14:28.21 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: SDL games are often a breeze. Sometimes it's just a simple cross compile. Beyond that and I'd be pretty lost. |
| 14:28.24 | Cloudchaser | i try in other games and it doesn't work and then the addressbook opens |
| 14:28.47 | Cloudchaser | ok if i found a game to play would you try it? |
| 14:28.58 | Cloudchaser | or..would you be able to tell me how to port it? |
| 14:29.03 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: I'd be more than happy to. |
| 14:29.07 | CrazyGogo | hmm.. space invaders... NOTHING sdeems to be ble to controll it... |
| 14:29.15 | Cloudchaser | thanks numatrix |
| 14:29.22 | Cloudchaser | i found a linux game website a while back |
| 14:29.27 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: certainly |
| 14:29.37 | Cloudchaser | i'll have a look and see if there's any sdl ones that look like fun :) |
| 14:29.42 | kybu | http://games.linux.sk/ |
| 14:30.28 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: Just make sure they're not opengl sdl games. Those won't go gently. ;-) |
| 14:31.06 | Cloudchaser_ | ok |
| 14:31.33 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe a pinball one would be good :) |
| 14:31.43 | de | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/jpegoptim.html |
| 14:31.44 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: yeha, I'm looking at that one now, actually. |
| 14:31.44 | de | cool |
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| 14:32.12 | Cloudchaser_ | :) cool |
| 14:32.26 | numatrix | Unfortunately, that main one is opengl. :-) |
| 14:32.31 | Cloudchaser_ | trying to find some good games.. going on long road trip dec 21 |
| 14:34.37 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: another good place to check is libsdl.org |
| 14:36.29 | Cloudchaser_ | how bout Abuse SDL |
| 14:36.39 | Wintre | Heh |
| 14:36.41 | Wintre | There was a fun game |
| 14:36.46 | Wintre | Spooky too |
| 14:37.19 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: I tried briefly a while back. |
| 14:37.41 | Cloudchaser_ | no luck with it? |
| 14:37.43 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: I could look again, but I'm up for something easier right now. Besides, that would probably be one that you'd have to run sideways given the orientation. |
| 14:37.54 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: No, but I don't remember what the problem was. |
| 14:38.20 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe how bout a simple run, jump shoot at the badguys |
| 14:38.26 | Cloudchaser_ | something like a mario game |
| 14:38.40 | Cloudchaser_ | or are those hard to do |
| 14:41.15 | de | http://rpgnames.sunsite.dk/ |
| 14:41.21 | de | rpgnames has moved |
| 14:44.58 | Cloudchaser_ | here's one: http://olofson.net/skobo/ already has a ppc port |
| 14:46.04 | Piete | omg, knoppix is awesome! |
| 14:46.13 | Piete | I just stuck it in my only p133 laptop, told it to go to text mode.. it booted, detected everything (video card, usb mouse, pcmcia, everything), and I just typed in when it showed me the prompt "X -query 192.168.168.1", and it showed me a pretty GDM login for my main box |
| 14:46.37 | Cloudchaser_ | cool ;) |
| 14:46.47 | Piete | I never realized X was so fast over networks |
| 14:47.01 | Piete | even at 1600x1280, at 32bit colors |
| 14:47.07 | ljp_work | not so fast on a 33 modem |
| 14:47.26 | Piete | now I just need to figure out how to get sound over the network :) |
| 14:47.38 | numatrix | Piete: esd |
| 14:48.31 | Piete | numatrix: yes, but does it support multiple users (like 10 people logged into the application server throught X terminals?) |
| 14:48.39 | Piete | through even |
| 14:49.01 | Piete | Xterminals being old boxen with SVGA & sound cards |
| 14:49.26 | numatrix | Piete: Yeah, each person simply sets their own remote esd server settings and each runs a local copy. |
| 14:49.38 | Piete | numatrix: damn! |
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| 14:50.06 | Piete | so its <DSP>-<ESD>~~~transport~~~~<ESD>-<Application> ? |
| 14:51.07 | numatrix | Piete: afaik, yeah. |
| 14:51.17 | Piete | numatrix: thats awesome... |
| 14:51.48 | Piete | man.. now all you need is a nice SMP box, and a lot of old boxes, and you can power a whole office... |
| 14:51.58 | Piete | the sound is not required tho :) |
| 14:52.01 | Piete | but its a plus |
| 14:53.17 | numatrix | Piete: pretty much... |
| 14:54.46 | numatrix | Piete: http://www.tux.org/~ricdude/overview.html |
| 14:55.01 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:55.08 | numatrix | Though that page hasn't been updated since March 5, I'm pretty sure esd itself has. |
| 14:55.08 | Piete | numatrix: danke |
| 14:55.10 | numatrix | morning, chouimat |
| 14:55.16 | numatrix | Piete: bitte |
| 14:56.29 | Piete | Changes last made on: Mon, Nov 30 <-- numatrix its been updated :) |
| 14:56.42 | Piete | its just the overview one thats so old |
| 14:56.47 | CrazyGogo | Piete: what did u setup on the box that hosts the x-session? |
| 14:57.08 | Piete | CrazyGogo: you mean the application server? |
| 14:57.34 | Piete | sorry, I keep getting confused with client, and server with X :) |
| 14:57.48 | Piete | because when you think its one way around, its the other way :) |
| 14:57.58 | CrazyGogo | 192.168.169.1 |
| 14:58.02 | CrazyGogo | :) that one ... |
| 14:58.08 | CrazyGogo | 168 |
| 14:58.18 | CrazyGogo | the on u send the query to |
| 14:58.20 | Piete | well, its my main Slackware box.. its my desktop :) |
| 14:58.31 | Piete | all I did was tell it to use runlevel 5 |
| 14:58.37 | Piete | and gdm |
| 14:58.55 | CrazyGogo | ant hmm |
| 14:59.10 | Piete | ? |
| 14:59.53 | CrazyGogo | id like to use cygwin |
| 15:00.15 | Piete | ant hmm <-- what do you mean? |
| 15:00.35 | CrazyGogo | heehee.. nothing :) |
| 15:01.08 | Piete | lol,, o....k |
| 15:04.52 | kolla | rdesktop could be nice |
| 15:07.02 | numatrix | Piete: Monday, Nov 30 didn't occur this year. ;-) |
| 15:07.09 | numatrix | This year Nov 30 was a Saturday. |
| 15:07.35 | Piete | numatrix: darn, you caught me |
| 15:07.36 | Piete | :P |
| 15:08.17 | numatrix | ;-) |
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| 15:10.41 | Com[Plex] | (sigh* |
| 15:10.46 | Com[Plex] | I miss my z :( |
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| 15:13.54 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: I will be without any computers from dec 19th to the 30th |
| 15:14.42 | Piete | numatrix: damn, EDS is nice! |
| 15:14.46 | Piete | ESD even |
| 15:15.01 | numatrix | Glad you like it. |
| 15:15.52 | Com[Plex] | oh god chouimat: what for??! |
| 15:16.09 | Com[Plex] | whats esd ? |
| 15:16.26 | Piete | its a network transparent audio system |
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| 15:16.27 | noda | ESD? Enlightened Sound Daemon |
| 15:16.33 | Piete | kinda like ArtsD |
| 15:16.36 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: I'm going to Switzerland for xmas |
| 15:16.39 | noda | GNOME uses it. It was first made for Enlightenment. |
| 15:16.42 | Piete | chouimat: cool |
| 15:17.06 | chouimat | gnome sucks |
| 15:17.08 | Piete | chouimat: I always wanted to go to switzerland... |
| 15:17.12 | Piete | chouimat: gnome2 is nice : |
| 15:17.13 | Piete | :) |
| 15:17.18 | Piete | gnome1 sucks |
| 15:17.36 | noda | gnome2 actually crashes my PC somehow. |
| 15:17.57 | chouimat | Piete: I'm still lost in gnome2 dependency tree |
| 15:17.59 | noda | My PC also crashes every 3-10 days ever since I installed the latest nvidia drivers and glibc-2.3.1 too :( |
| 15:18.10 | Piete | chouimat: what distro do you use? |
| 15:18.52 | chouimat | Piete: gentoo |
| 15:19.01 | chouimat | an hacked one |
| 15:19.04 | Piete | chouimat: can't you just emerge it? |
| 15:19.34 | Piete | chouimat: it was pretty easy in slackware.. the whole install took only about 20 minutes, including downloading it |
| 15:19.41 | Piete | I just used dropline |
| 15:19.50 | chouimat | Piete: i'm using kde 3.1post |
| 15:20.42 | Piete | kde3 is too slow to be usable on my box (1Ghz duron, 256ram |
| 15:21.06 | chouimat | Piete: I have a PIII/667, 512MB ram and it's ok |
| 15:21.06 | Piete | I was pleasently suprised with gnome2,, I had almost given up on desktop environments |
| 15:21.40 | noda | Piete: I have. openbox is all you need, with a few gnome2 apps. |
| 15:21.42 | noda | epist rocks! :) |
| 15:22.09 | pmax | haha kde is too slow on a 1ghz duron? I guess I should uninstall it from my 350mhz PII then |
| 15:22.13 | noda | chouimat: How can you use 3.1post if there's no 3.1 yet? :) |
| 15:22.31 | chouimat | noda: cvs HEAD :) |
| 15:22.33 | Piete | pmax: kde three |
| 15:22.44 | pmax | yes that would be the one |
| 15:22.48 | noda | chouimat: Does it have a decent keygrabber yet? |
| 15:22.56 | chouimat | noda: ask pmax |
| 15:22.58 | Piete | pmax: its not that slow, its just that my box immediatly stars using swap, when i launch it ;) |
| 15:23.07 | noda | pmax: Does KDE have a decent keygrabber yet? :) |
| 15:23.09 | pmax | wow I use it on 128mb machines without swapping |
| 15:23.15 | pmax | noda: keygrabber? |
| 15:23.40 | noda | i.e., Mod4-G --> run mozilla -remote "openurl(http://www.google.ca, new-window)" |
| 15:23.43 | chouimat | Piete: I have kde3 on a P200MMX, 64MB ram |
| 15:23.45 | Piete | oh yea, i forgot,, the zaurus uses qt.. everyone in here must like qt more ;P |
| 15:23.52 | noda | Piete: I prefer gtk :) |
| 15:24.19 | pmax | noda: hmmm you know I think it may not have one still :( I gave up on it because the keyboard code kept getting screwed with and breaking the existing one. |
| 15:24.30 | noda | Heh. |
| 15:24.34 | chouimat | Piete: I prefer openstep but qt is what in the c++ world that feel more like it |
| 15:24.39 | noda | Well, I certainly won't be switching to KDE until it has one, if then. |
| 15:25.45 | noda | ROFL, this is great. Employee: "The system is really slow, do you know why?" Network admin: "The server ran out of disk space, so Robert and I are writing all orders down on a post-it note whenever you guys enter an order." |
| 15:25.50 | noda | (and the employee believed him :P) |
| 15:26.01 | Piete | noda: lol |
| 15:26.13 | noda | This seriously happened yesterday :) |
| 15:26.32 | Wintre | noda: Why prefer Gtk? |
| 15:27.21 | chouimat | Wintre: because he didn't learn oop yet |
| 15:27.25 | noda | Hrm... half of it's probably this stubbornness of mine, the other half would be it's written in C, I find it faster, I know how to code it better |
| 15:27.27 | noda | chouimat: lol |
| 15:28.18 | Wintre | Doing OOP in a language that doesn't support it just seems kinda silly |
| 15:28.26 | noda | GTK has C++ bindings. |
| 15:28.33 | noda | Wintre: Define "support" |
| 15:28.43 | Wintre | noda: Provide it as an integral part of the language. |
| 15:28.51 | de | yah, that "support" is junk |
| 15:28.57 | noda | You can certainly do OOP in C. GTK is kind of object-oriented. And look at projects like xine or galeon2 - they're heavily OO. |
| 15:29.02 | Piete | I just don't want to pay to port my OSS stuff to another platform... |
| 15:29.12 | Wintre | If you have to implement the mechanisms of inheritance, etc, then really you're brining upon yourself extra work which should be done by the compiler |
| 15:29.14 | de | well projects like xine can really only be OO |
| 15:29.19 | de | can you image not doing it that way? |
| 15:29.22 | noda | Piete: GTK runs on Windows/OSX doesn't it? |
| 15:29.23 | de | why is my name de? |
| 15:29.27 | Wintre | More code to write, more code to maintain, more code in which to make mistakes... |
| 15:29.27 | Piete | noda: yea, it does |
| 15:29.34 | de | how do I change my name |
| 15:29.45 | Cloudchaser | do /nick newnick |
| 15:29.47 | Wintre | de: Type /nick mynewleetnick |
| 15:29.59 | de | hmm |
| 15:30.07 | de | test |
| 15:30.08 | Wintre | noda: I know you *can* do it. But does it make much sense? |
| 15:30.12 | Wintre | de: Didn't do anything |
| 15:30.41 | Cloudy | hmm works for me |
| 15:30.43 | Wintre | Though I won't argue that C++ is a particularly nice language |
| 15:30.45 | noda | Wintre: Then again, it's faster. So when speed matters. |
| 15:30.51 | Wintre | Hah |
| 15:30.54 | Wintre | Please |
| 15:31.07 | Wintre | That's a statement open to lots of debate |
| 15:31.15 | noda | That's true, the whole C/C++ argument is. |
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| 15:31.22 | icefox | man I must be on at home or something |
| 15:31.24 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin ben |
| 15:31.37 | noda | They're both valid languages and both are useful in certain places. |
| 15:31.41 | icefox | for some reason I had the name de |
| 15:31.47 | Wintre | Nobody's going to suggest C is not a valid language |
| 15:31.47 | Cloudchaser | hey remember that link to the z friendly websites you posted a couple weeks ago? |
| 15:31.57 | ljp_work | I will sugggest that |
| 15:32.08 | Wintre | Okok |
| 15:32.10 | ljp_work | heh might not be true, but what the hey |
| 15:32.15 | Wintre | Nobody other than ljp_work is going to suggest C is not a valid language |
| 15:32.20 | icefox | http://www.lunatec.org/mobile/ |
| 15:32.26 | Cloudchaser | oh thank you! |
| 15:32.31 | noda | Is anybody having any problems on openzaurus.org? I still can't believe that there are no glaring bugs :) |
| 15:32.37 | Cloudchaser | that was great site and i lost that url when i reflashed |
| 15:32.42 | Wintre | Though personally I think C - and C++, to a lesser extent - is a pretty lousy language for application development. There are lots of little details which make it good for systems work which make it bad for larger programs |
| 15:32.45 | chouimat | Wintre: I prefer code in Objective-C than C++ |
| 15:32.49 | icefox | http://www.mazingo.net/mobile/ |
| 15:32.55 | icefox | http://members.bellatlantic.net/~blumax/plinkit/ |
| 15:33.01 | Piete | numatrix: lol,, from the xmms website : "esound is junk. The only thing esd has is a good client API for going boing at approximately the right time. Anything else is beyond it."- Alan Cox |
| 15:33.01 | Cloudchaser | i've tried mazingo.. |
| 15:33.27 | icefox | hahaha |
| 15:34.15 | Wintre | esound is a rasterman invention, isn't it? |
| 15:35.54 | kybu | halflife could be good |
| 15:37.08 | Piete | I'm addicted to the Natural Selection mod.. its awesome :) |
| 15:37.55 | noda | I've heard aboud that. :) |
| 15:43.22 | Piete | nite |
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| 15:50.17 | numatrix | Piete: yeah, I've seen that quote before. Hmm. nevermind, guess he left. |
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| 15:57.23 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 15:57.42 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
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| 16:06.47 | chouimat | hi JasonNJ |
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| 16:16.28 | CrazyGogo | eyas.... |
| 16:18.19 | chouimat | hi zecke |
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| 16:54.33 | CrazyGogo | damn i cnt setp the cygwin thingy........ |
| 16:56.19 | XavierXeon | try linux instead |
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| 17:05.24 | NetAmp | howdee cowboyZ/-girlZ |
| 17:05.35 | kergoth`sick | hey NetAmp |
| 17:05.40 | CrazyGogo | hey... |
| 17:05.40 | NetAmp | sick? :-( |
| 17:05.47 | CrazyGogo | just arrived on the opie mailinglist: |
| 17:05.48 | CrazyGogo | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/keyz/keyz-zkb_0.5.6-1_arm.ipk |
| 17:05.58 | kergoth`sick | CrazyGogo: what is it? |
| 17:05.59 | NetAmp | take loads of vitaminZ ;) |
| 17:06.06 | CrazyGogo | is supposwd to provide german hardware keyboard mapping... |
| 17:06.15 | kergoth`sick | CrazyGogo: who posted it? |
| 17:06.24 | CrazyGogo | michael lauer |
| 17:06.40 | kergoth`sick | mickey eh |
| 17:06.42 | kergoth`sick | wonder who coded it |
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| 17:07.07 | rw2 | Anyone know what the state of wireless syncing is these days. I lost my zaurus, but found it recently. wireless syncing is something that I never got working quite right. Wouldn't sync because of different subnets or something like that. |
| 17:07.19 | CrazyGogo | well i didnt flash to OZ /opie yet, since i cant get an internet connection with my Z .. so i cant try it :( |
| 17:07.33 | XavierXeon | lucho coded it and provided some of the german keymap |
| 17:08.10 | CrazyGogo | kergoth`sick: could u add that to ibot _if_ it works? ppl will prolly ask again for that... |
| 17:08.19 | kergoth`sick | how does it do it? |
| 17:08.26 | CrazyGogo | i dunno |
| 17:08.28 | kergoth`sick | the proper solution involves altering qt itself |
| 17:08.33 | kergoth`sick | so i dunno how they managed that |
| 17:08.39 | kergoth`sick | must be a hack |
| 17:08.51 | CrazyGogo | look at the sources? |
| 17:08.56 | NetAmp | Is Opie Player 2 gonna get an equalizer also? ;) |
| 17:09.03 | NetAmp | some DBB would be sweet |
| 17:09.11 | NetAmp | (bass boost) |
| 17:09.37 | NetAmp | hm and does the applet to turn LCD off work OK? |
| 17:10.23 | NetAmp | kergoth`sick: Couldn't they just patch it? |
| 17:10.51 | kergoth`sick | NetAmp: eh? |
| 17:10.53 | kergoth`sick | NetAmp: binary patch? |
| 17:11.00 | kergoth`sick | NetAmp: patches patch sources. |
| 17:11.14 | icefox | hehe another 20 minutes lost to TickyTap |
| 17:11.20 | icefox | hehe another 20 minutes lost to TickyPip |
| 17:11.38 | icefox | must ... connect... |
| 17:11.45 | NetAmp | kergoth`sick: yeah ofcourse that does make more sense :P heh stuupid me ;) |
| 17:12.34 | NetAmp | us Dutchies have a National holiday today |
| 17:12.37 | NetAmp | sweet huh? ;) |
| 17:12.45 | NetAmp | we get to eat chocolate etc. |
| 17:12.48 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 17:12.58 | kergoth`sick | nice |
| 17:13.13 | NetAmp | sure is :) |
| 17:13.49 | pmax | hm zaurusvip.com is unreachable now |
| 17:14.05 | icefox | guess the deal is over |
| 17:14.09 | NetAmp | yep |
| 17:14.17 | pmax | it's not dec 6 :) |
| 17:14.24 | icefox | well somewhere |
| 17:14.42 | NetAmp | kergoth`sick: I did file the report now, nice system :) |
| 17:14.53 | NetAmp | Mantis or something.. |
| 17:15.11 | icefox | also depending on how fast you are going any any bending in space-time it could be the 6th ;-D |
| 17:15.14 | kergoth`sick | yeah, cool |
| 17:15.19 | kergoth`sick | hey ben |
| 17:15.35 | CrazyGogo | kergoth`sick: looked at the sf project? |
| 17:15.45 | icefox | or even if it is the 5th to you it might be the 6th for someone else.... hehe |
| 17:15.49 | kergoth`sick | CrazyGogo: naw got distracted, my food finished |
| 17:15.50 | icefox | what sf project? |
| 17:15.55 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 17:16.03 | kergoth`sick | icefox: some project that has an ipk that claims to add german hardware keymap support |
| 17:16.10 | icefox | cool |
| 17:16.21 | kergoth`sick | icefox: though i dont see how thats possible without replacing qt, unless its a hack to intercept the keycodes or something |
| 17:16.29 | icefox | http://www.bluefire.nu/droidbattles/screenshots.html |
| 17:16.31 | CrazyGogo | we'll see |
| 17:16.33 | icefox | I want ^ on my z |
| 17:16.55 | NetAmp | huh? |
| 17:16.58 | NetAmp | oh |
| 17:17.04 | CrazyGogo | icefox: u need german hardware keymapping? |
| 17:17.20 | icefox | nope, but it is good as a general hardware suport thing |
| 17:17.35 | NetAmp | icefox: Press SHIFT + FN + Quote |
| 17:17.36 | CrazyGogo | k |
| 17:18.22 | icefox | NetAmp: where is Quote? |
| 17:18.26 | NetAmp | errr |
| 17:18.32 | icefox | cool |
| 17:18.34 | icefox | ^ |
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| 17:18.42 | NetAmp | caret |
| 17:18.46 | CrazyGogo | rw2: who diesn't :)) |
| 17:18.51 | icefox | me |
| 17:18.55 | NetAmp | icefox: there's more here: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/character_input.php3 |
| 17:18.58 | icefox | syncing is overrated |
| 17:18.58 | icefox | hehe |
| 17:19.15 | icefox | you must be able to remember anything! |
| 17:19.18 | XX|ViceCity | kergoth`sick: it is a hack to intercept qt keycodes and it works fine for me |
| 17:19.21 | CrazyGogo | i dont even want to sync! just get internet connection !! |
| 17:19.25 | icefox | and anything I forget is a "casualty of war" |
| 17:19.28 | rw2 | CrazyGogo: most of the Z world as far as I can tell. ;-) |
| 17:19.43 | kergoth`sick | XX|ViceCity: cool cool |
| 17:19.55 | NetAmp | ehmmmm doesn't having a LAN card still mean you need to get routing to work |
| 17:19.57 | kergoth`sick | XX|ViceCity: very nice, will have to add an faq to the openzaurus faq system regarding it |
| 17:20.02 | icefox | rw2: what distro? |
| 17:20.32 | rw2 | icefox: Any. I've got some version of OZ on there now, but will upgrade or downgrade as needed. |
| 17:20.34 | CrazyGogo | XX|ViceCity: what are u running? |
| 17:20.36 | XX|ViceCity | kergoth`sick: i already did that a couple of days ago |
| 17:20.53 | kergoth`sick | XX|ViceCity: oh, good :) |
| 17:20.55 | NetAmp | Syncing works for me with OZ 3(?) except ToDo |
| 17:20.59 | CrazyGogo | http://www.openzaurus.org/ <-- dpwn??! |
| 17:21.00 | icefox | rw3 on the deskotp side I mean |
| 17:21.09 | kergoth`sick | rw2: syncing should work.. |
| 17:21.11 | XX|ViceCity | CrazyGogo: i know it works with oz3, crow and sharp us rom. currently i am using oz3 |
| 17:21.18 | rw2 | NetAmp: Heh, ToDo's are the thing I use most! |
| 17:21.28 | NetAmp | rw2: hah lol ;) |
| 17:21.40 | rw2 | kergoth`sick: wireless? |
| 17:21.40 | kergoth`sick | rw2: do what i do, dont use a desktop pim app |
| 17:21.46 | kergoth`sick | rw2: just vnc into your Z and use it directly |
| 17:21.47 | kergoth`sick | rw2: hehe |
| 17:21.53 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 17:22.02 | NetAmp | SSH rocks too |
| 17:22.09 | rw2 | kergoth`sick: darienm showed me that one. Pretty funny. |
| 17:22.18 | CrazyGogo | well i guess iÄll just download the OZ3 image then, and flash!?! :) may i install packages via CF, too? |
| 17:22.20 | icefox | can KAdressBook do ldap? |
| 17:22.43 | darienm | Showed who what? |
| 17:22.52 | darienm | on vnc |
| 17:22.53 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: sure you can :) |
| 17:22.55 | darienm | oh |
| 17:22.58 | rw2 | kergoth`sick: But seriiously, you think if I go with OZ3 I'll be able to wireless sync across subnets? |
| 17:23.07 | XX|ViceCity | CrazyGogo: you can install packages over cf as well. the oz feed is 22.3 MB in total |
| 17:23.16 | kergoth`sick | rw2: if you can connect to it with tcp, you can sync |
| 17:23.23 | kergoth`sick | rw2: it doesnt care how it gets there |
| 17:23.30 | rw2 | kergoth`sick: It used to though, right? |
| 17:23.32 | CrazyGogo | oh cool.. got a 96 MB cf right here *gg* |
| 17:23.33 | kergoth`sick | rw2: as long as you allow that ip/mask in security |
| 17:23.36 | kergoth`sick | rw2: no, never. |
| 17:23.42 | kergoth`sick | rw2: sharp maybe, oz, no |
| 17:24.17 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: I believe you can install from anywhere, RAM/CF/SD/http/network blah... |
| 17:24.24 | rw2 | kergoth`sick: ip/mask security... That could be what I was missing. Where do I set that up? (or will it be obvious once I upgrade) |
| 17:24.34 | kergoth`sick | rw2: Settings->Security |
| 17:24.40 | CrazyGogo | ok... just the two files on CF, reboot and thats it? ... *downloading* |
| 17:24.41 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: well packages that is ofcourse ;) |
| 17:24.43 | kergoth`sick | rw2: drop down the ip/mask dropdown |
| 17:24.45 | kergoth`sick | rw2: heh |
| 17:25.00 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: yes but you HAVE to pay attention to naming them correctly |
| 17:25.03 | NetAmp | ! |
| 17:25.12 | rw2 | kergoth`sick: sounds good thanks for the tip. |
| 17:25.43 | sandman_ | kergoth`sick: hi |
| 17:25.47 | CrazyGogo | NetAmp: not just the names they have when coming down? |
| 17:26.00 | kergoth`sick | hey sandman_ |
| 17:26.05 | CrazyGogo | DB Error: connect failed |
| 17:26.05 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: no - it's explained on the OZ website |
| 17:26.25 | sandman_ | kergoth`sick: I had a discussion with dwmw2 and pb_ earlier and we decided to kill libpreload |
| 17:26.27 | CrazyGogo | oz.org is slooooooow |
| 17:26.44 | kergoth`sick | sandman_: how are ya going to implement it then? |
| 17:26.49 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: it is... :S |
| 17:26.52 | sandman_ | preloading doens't work very well with prelinking :( |
| 17:26.55 | *** join/#zaurus oGMo (~rpav@216.190.2.157) |
| 17:27.07 | kergoth`sick | sandman_: ahh |
| 17:27.20 | XX|ViceCity | CrazyGogo: try one of the mirrors, they are normally faster |
| 17:27.20 | kergoth`sick | sandman_: prelink tested on arm yet? |
| 17:27.30 | sandman_ | I'll mark the functions that I want to ovrride as "weak" in qte and implement them in libqpe |
| 17:27.44 | NetAmp | WHAT?! Droid Battle is in Assembler?!! whoa! |
| 17:27.51 | NetAmp | I have a Java version of that game |
| 17:27.53 | sandman_ | kergoth`sick: compiler just finished building qte + complete opie with my brand new binutils |
| 17:28.02 | kergoth`sick | sandman_: nice |
| 17:28.05 | sandman_ | Will test it this evening |
| 17:28.25 | kergoth`sick | sandman_: ARM prelink binary avail? last i checked it fails to build due to reliance on 64bit elf functions, though its only a couple line fix ;) |
| 17:28.31 | kergoth`sick | sandman_: let me know how it goes, i'm very curious |
| 17:28.46 | sandman_ | should be in familiar unstable |
| 17:28.55 | sandman_ | If not, I'll pester pb_ :) |
| 17:29.25 | CrazyGogo | boah... i cant get the images down... always Db connect error..... :( |
| 17:29.42 | kergoth`sick | sandman_: so whats required for prelink.. prelink binary, binaries built with new binutils, libc 2.3.x, libelfg0 w/ patch? |
| 17:29.43 | CrazyGogo | could someone dcc me the 40/24 + init files? |
| 17:30.11 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: Guess I could, though my upload speed isn't that much fun |
| 17:30.20 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: heh max. 16k/sec :S |
| 17:30.25 | CrazyGogo | NetAmp: how much fun is it? |
| 17:30.33 | CrazyGogo | weill as much fun as mine :) |
| 17:30.33 | NetAmp | :'( |
| 17:30.43 | NetAmp | I'm on cable @Home |
| 17:30.43 | CrazyGogo | got the latest version? |
| 17:31.00 | NetAmp | well from last week |
| 17:31.06 | sandman_ | kergoth`sick: pb_ said all you have to do is replace arm-linux-ld with a version that knows about -z combreloc and re-link everything |
| 17:31.20 | CrazyGogo | NetAmp: is that the most recent then? |
| 17:31.25 | NetAmp | hm |
| 17:31.33 | sandman_ | So I just compiled binutils and copied the new utils into the Embedix toolchain |
| 17:31.36 | NetAmp | unless kergoth finished the new RC version |
| 17:32.01 | sandman_ | kergoth`sick: (of course you need glibc 2.3 ...) |
| 17:32.03 | NetAmp | but they were still fixing some stuff.. |
| 17:32.19 | kergoth`sick | sandman_: very cool |
| 17:32.25 | CrazyGogo | well... iÄll wwait for kergoth`sick info on that... |
| 17:34.13 | NetAmp | mkay |
| 17:34.27 | CrazyGogo | hmm... guess he didnt read :) |
| 17:34.42 | NetAmp | didn't want to read maybe ;) |
| 17:34.45 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 17:34.57 | CrazyGogo | i'd understand that... |
| 17:34.59 | kergoth`sick | didnt want to |
| 17:35.00 | NetAmp | well can't blame him when he's already sick |
| 17:35.01 | kergoth`sick | whats up? |
| 17:35.02 | kergoth`sick | summarize |
| 17:35.04 | kergoth`sick | hehe |
| 17:35.10 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 17:35.18 | NetAmp | I'd also get sick with ppl bugging me :P |
| 17:35.20 | NetAmp | like that |
| 17:35.27 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 17:35.41 | CrazyGogo | wanted to know whether NetAmp downloaded the most recent OZ _last_ week.. |
| 17:36.08 | kergoth`sick | OZ 3.0 was released october 30th afaicr. |
| 17:36.16 | kergoth`sick | no releases have occurred since |
| 17:36.24 | CrazyGogo | or if there's something that got updated... i cant download thm, so we're discussing the pors and the cons of dccing it to me :) |
| 17:36.51 | NetAmp | only pros, OZ kicks ass ;) |
| 17:37.11 | NetAmp | (well some cons but so did SharpROM and I got bored with that one :P) |
| 17:37.49 | NetAmp | whoa |
| 17:37.58 | CrazyGogo | NetAmp: well then turn on the dcc...................... |
| 17:38.06 | CrazyGogo | give it to meeeeeee *g* |
| 17:38.13 | NetAmp | I played with my Z for a lot of time before that |
| 17:38.20 | NetAmp | kay you're asking for it buddy :P |
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| 17:38.35 | NetAmp | Pingizauru on the loose... |
| 17:38.43 | NetAmp | if/when DCC works |
| 17:38.45 | NetAmp | heh |
| 17:38.54 | CrazyGogo | hmm... |
| 17:39.02 | CrazyGogo | seems like it does :) |
| 17:39.33 | NetAmp | heck my dad's running KaZaA and he didn't turn the upload off so it takes a bit longer |
| 17:39.44 | NetAmp | oh well |
| 17:40.00 | NetAmp | I remember my 14k4 modem :P |
| 17:40.06 | NetAmp | this beats that :P |
| 17:40.44 | CrazyGogo | NetAmp: wah about the init? |
| 17:40.53 | prpplague | NetAmp: i had an accostical 300 baud modem as my first modem.... |
| 17:40.57 | NetAmp | err that's actually 15 megs :'( |
| 17:41.11 | CrazyGogo | NetAmp: i know.. i want it :)) |
| 17:41.20 | CrazyGogo | zimage competed |
| 17:41.21 | NetAmp | prpplague: whoa! haha well I'm just 21 years old so I probably missed that ;) |
| 17:41.27 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: k |
| 17:41.46 | NetAmp | just because you asked so nicely then :P |
| 17:41.54 | CrazyGogo | well i'm 22 and i used a 2200 baud modem @ first :) telnet to prairienet .. yeah |
| 17:42.01 | NetAmp | haha |
| 17:42.53 | CrazyGogo | its amazing... sometimes the linux router doesnt like dcc... todays its like magic *gg* |
| 17:43.25 | CrazyGogo | #1 GET NetAmp -......... 3.8% 27:43 8.369 initrd.bin |
| 17:43.35 | CrazyGogo | isnt it great?!?! :)) |
| 17:43.35 | NetAmp | hah |
| 17:43.45 | NetAmp | if you say so ;) |
| 17:43.52 | CrazyGogo | *g* |
| 17:43.55 | NetAmp | at least it's faster than OZ dot org :P |
| 17:44.07 | CrazyGogo | at least it wont fill up my downstream *lol* |
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| 17:44.11 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 17:44.28 | CrazyGogo | yes its at least 100 times faster :)) |
| 17:44.37 | NetAmp | mine too luckily |
| 17:44.38 | rw2 | prpplague: My first modem was 110... |
| 17:44.44 | NetAmp | rw2: ouch |
| 17:44.54 | prpplague | rw2: man you got me beat |
| 17:44.56 | rw2 | NetAmp: Ouch? I thought it kicked major ass! |
| 17:45.11 | NetAmp | rw2: yeah at the time I'm sure you did ;) |
| 17:45.19 | NetAmp | I remember my dad ran a BBS |
| 17:45.30 | rw2 | NetAmp: Remember, most of the porn was ascii back then... ;-) |
| 17:45.31 | NetAmp | even then I was addicted to being online :P |
| 17:45.35 | NetAmp | real bad bad habit |
| 17:45.42 | NetAmp | rw2: HAH! *lol* |
| 17:45.44 | CrazyGogo | well 110 baud... at least u learn to apreaciate every single ascii sign that hits your screeen |
| 17:45.52 | NetAmp | yeah ASCII art... those good old times |
| 17:46.01 | rw2 | `crazygogo and you can type faster than the modem... |
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| 17:46.07 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 17:46.21 | NetAmp | :D |
| 17:46.53 | CrazyGogo | 15 % .. thats damn fast!!! :) |
| 17:46.55 | rw2 | NetAmp: I've used terminals to timeshare machines and punch cards too. |
| 17:47.07 | NetAmp | shweet |
| 17:47.25 | CrazyGogo | i guess thats sumfin i've missed :( |
| 17:47.28 | NetAmp | I had a terminal once but trashed it |
| 17:47.53 | CrazyGogo | i still have a ss10 *gg* |
| 17:47.54 | NetAmp | I believe my first computer was a Texas Instruments 99/4A |
| 17:48.04 | NetAmp | on which I learned BASIC |
| 17:48.15 | CrazyGogo | mine was a robotron KC 1715 |
| 17:48.18 | rw2 | and now the system I work on stores 500TB of data and moves 8-15TB a day... Things change! |
| 17:48.23 | NetAmp | It does have it's own speech synthesiser so it was quite advanced |
| 17:48.49 | NetAmp | rw2: yeah and they will keep changing ;) Pretty unbelieveble... :o |
| 17:48.59 | NetAmp | s/veb/vab |
| 17:49.20 | NetAmp | isn't there a ZX emu for the Z? |
| 17:49.23 | NetAmp | heh |
| 17:49.25 | CrazyGogo | yes |
| 17:49.49 | CrazyGogo | ohnly half an hour away from OZ ... |
| 17:49.52 | CrazyGogo | -h |
| 17:49.56 | chouimat|busy | NetAmp: and my tandy color computer 3 still work :) |
| 17:50.06 | NetAmp | coool |
| 17:50.07 | NetAmp | :D |
| 17:50.28 | NetAmp | err I'll go turn Kazaa off |
| 17:50.30 | CrazyGogo | hey waht about that jeode creator thingy... |
| 17:50.31 | chouimat|busy | NetAmp: my amiga 500 too |
| 17:50.44 | CrazyGogo | i downloaded it... - do i have to install it to RAM? |
| 17:50.57 | NetAmp | chouimat: heh ;) |
| 17:51.14 | NetAmp | I had an Amiga but it was traded in for a Super Nintendo :S |
| 17:51.31 | NetAmp | I always used 3D Construction Kit on it |
| 17:51.41 | NetAmp | to create worlds, pretty sweet ;) |
| 17:52.09 | rw2 | NetAmp: That whole "Construction Set" metaphore used to be pretty common. Too bad it's not really around so much anymore. |
| 17:52.25 | rw2 | well, I guess that's not quite true. I can built worlds in many FPS's. |
| 17:52.36 | rw2 | And starcraft |
| 17:52.55 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 17:53.03 | NetAmp | starcraft == cool |
| 17:53.20 | rw2 | But I'd still like something more like the Rube Goldberg construction set that is less constrained than the game based stuff. |
| 17:54.33 | oGMo | rw2, a la sierra's "The Incredible Machine"? |
| 17:54.49 | NetAmp | TIM rocks |
| 17:54.50 | oGMo | at least i think it was sierra's, been awhile |
| 17:55.02 | NetAmp | now I've got TIM: Even more contraptions |
| 17:55.17 | NetAmp | Sierra rules anyway |
| 17:55.21 | NetAmp | and Apogee |
| 17:55.30 | oGMo | heh cool... i never played much past the demo i don't think |
| 17:55.37 | oGMo | lucasarts |
| 17:55.43 | kergoth`sick | i miss sierra |
| 17:55.47 | kergoth`sick | from before they got bought out |
| 17:55.47 | oGMo | man those were the days when they made _real_ pc games |
| 17:55.54 | oGMo | kergoth`sick: yeah |
| 17:56.04 | kergoth`sick | when it was ken and roberta williams |
| 17:56.06 | oGMo | or "sold out" depending on your viewpoint |
| 17:56.07 | kergoth`sick | and al lowe still worked there |
| 17:56.35 | oGMo | when space quest was funny and king's quest was good |
| 17:56.43 | kergoth`sick | right |
| 17:56.56 | NetAmp | Larry :P |
| 17:57.02 | kergoth`sick | Larry Laffer |
| 17:57.03 | kergoth`sick | heheh |
| 17:57.05 | kergoth`sick | yeap |
| 17:57.06 | NetAmp | hah |
| 17:57.12 | oGMo | hehe |
| 17:57.13 | NetAmp | Cmd. Keen |
| 17:57.15 | kergoth`sick | leisure suit larry in the land of the lounge lizards |
| 17:57.17 | kergoth`sick | i miss those games |
| 17:57.17 | NetAmp | Duke Nukem |
| 17:57.31 | NetAmp | I have Larry 1 on DD floppy disks ;) |
| 17:57.36 | kergoth`sick | yeah, me too |
| 17:57.36 | NetAmp | maybe we can port it! |
| 17:57.37 | NetAmp | :P |
| 17:57.40 | NetAmp | *grin* |
| 17:57.40 | kergoth`sick | s/disks/disk/ |
| 17:57.48 | kergoth`sick | NetAmp: sarien runs on the Z afaicr |
| 17:57.52 | oGMo | hehe |
| 17:57.58 | NetAmp | :D |
| 17:57.59 | NetAmp | l33t |
| 17:58.02 | Cloudchaser | ooh i'd like commander keen 4 for the z ;) |
| 17:58.10 | NetAmp | yeah! |
| 17:58.19 | NetAmp | with sound preferably |
| 17:58.21 | oGMo | 4 was great |
| 17:58.26 | NetAmp | sure was |
| 17:58.29 | kergoth`sick | i remember forgetting to buy a rubber at the store and catching some disease and dying from this bitch in lsl1 |
| 17:58.30 | Cloudchaser | that was my favorite |
| 17:58.32 | NetAmp | 7 sucked |
| 17:58.32 | kergoth`sick | that sucked |
| 17:58.37 | oGMo | lots of cool, difficult secrets |
| 17:58.51 | oGMo | NetAmp: you mean 6.5 or there was a real 7? |
| 17:58.59 | NetAmp | 6.5 |
| 17:59.01 | NetAmp | Keen Dreams |
| 17:59.06 | NetAmp | that was pretty lame :P |
| 17:59.16 | oGMo | ah, yeah... that one wasn't so hot |
| 17:59.21 | kergoth`sick | I want Epic Pinball on my Z |
| 17:59.25 | Cloudchaser | ooh |
| 17:59.25 | NetAmp | nah |
| 17:59.26 | kergoth`sick | from epic megagames |
| 17:59.26 | NetAmp | Yeah! |
| 17:59.29 | Cloudchaser | pinball would be nice |
| 17:59.31 | NetAmp | pinball rockz |
| 17:59.40 | kergoth`sick | Z does need a pinball game bad imho |
| 17:59.44 | Cloudchaser | with the cancel and ok buttons for the flippers |
| 17:59.45 | NetAmp | Epic Megagames ruled also ;) |
| 17:59.50 | NetAmp | exactly |
| 17:59.56 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: yeah that'd be cool |
| 18:00.02 | CrazyGogo | how would i use the jeod_creator.. i installed it.... and now? |
| 18:00.05 | NetAmp | and middle button to launch |
| 18:00.12 | oGMo | just don't hold too long on your left flipper :) |
| 18:00.21 | kergoth`sick | lol |
| 18:00.29 | NetAmp | directional buttons to shake |
| 18:00.33 | NetAmp | but then again |
| 18:00.48 | NetAmp | Sharp could build in motion sensors and feedback :P |
| 18:00.56 | oGMo | haha yeah |
| 18:01.02 | NetAmp | so that it would truly be an arcade machine |
| 18:01.18 | oGMo | like one of those GBA carts with the tilt sensor |
| 18:01.23 | NetAmp | hah yeah |
| 18:01.38 | oGMo | that would be _so_ easy to do i think |
| 18:01.39 | kergoth`sick | yeah, but with an lcd you can actually see |
| 18:01.45 | kergoth`sick | unlike the gba |
| 18:01.46 | oGMo | even if you hooked it to the serial port |
| 18:01.49 | NetAmp | oGMo: maybe in a CF |
| 18:01.55 | NetAmp | oGMo: even better ;) |
| 18:02.13 | oGMo | NetAmp: or even a cobbled-together backpack with serial connector, something i could hope to accomplish ;) |
| 18:02.23 | NetAmp | kergoth: hah! lol indeed, my brother has a GBA |
| 18:02.31 | NetAmp | really bad they left out the backlight |
| 18:02.56 | oGMo | yeah, they should have done something like the z's frontlight |
| 18:03.16 | oGMo | it's ok if you've got good fluorscents or sunlight |
| 18:03.54 | Cloudchaser | thats why i don't like gameboys |
| 18:03.57 | Cloudchaser | no light |
| 18:04.05 | Cloudchaser | and i'm half blind as it is |
| 18:04.15 | NetAmp | oGMo: you could also connect it to a relais so you get shocked! wouldn't THAT be exciting? ;) |
| 18:04.44 | oGMo | NetAmp: hehe |
| 18:06.22 | oGMo | hmm, pwgen for the Z with a little opie-sh ... |
| 18:06.25 | NetAmp | you could also sell force feedback for the women |
| 18:06.28 | NetAmp | like the Rez game |
| 18:06.30 | NetAmp | ( http://www.gamegirladvance.com/archives/2002/10/26/sex_in_games_rezvibrator.html ) |
| 18:06.55 | NetAmp | but let's not get into that it's bad enough they did that for a game console already :P |
| 18:07.17 | NetAmp | hm |
| 18:07.21 | NetAmp | smart |
| 18:07.25 | CrazyGogo | and what about 5 1/4 § feedback for men? |
| 18:07.37 | NetAmp | I thought there was already Java on OZ heh |
| 18:07.45 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: hah |
| 18:08.01 | NetAmp | that's just plain evil |
| 18:08.14 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: yay we're on 10k/sec |
| 18:09.53 | CrazyGogo | yesss.. i got an jeod1.20_arm.ipk on my sd card :)) is that the one i need?! :) |
| 18:10.00 | oGMo | what i really want to see is something like a GBA with bluetooth so you can play people in the vicinity |
| 18:10.04 | CrazyGogo | do i need to extract anything else? |
| 18:10.08 | oGMo | but i think i said that before |
| 18:12.04 | CrazyGogo | yeah... 89% NetAmp ! |
| 18:12.15 | NetAmp | wheeeee |
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| 18:12.24 | CrazyGogo | moin pez2001 |
| 18:12.37 | pez2001 | what would a compiler do if he encounters this: |
| 18:12.40 | pez2001 | moin |
| 18:12.43 | NetAmp | oGMo: and a GBA emu for Zaurus :P |
| 18:12.58 | pez2001 | *instructions++=strdup(instruction); |
| 18:12.59 | oGMo | NetAmp: heh |
| 18:13.04 | oGMo | that'd probably be pretty possible |
| 18:13.18 | oGMo | i say, just a little dynamic recompilation and boom |
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| 18:13.55 | Pr0d1gy | hello, is there anyone here using a GPS device in combination with the Z? |
| 18:13.55 | pez2001 | would he think incrementing the ptr list afterwards or would he give out an error because he thinks its some kind of += |
| 18:14.06 | Pr0d1gy | and does anyone know where to get a GPS device and how much it costs? |
| 18:15.08 | CrazyGogo | completed!! |
| 18:15.18 | pez2001 | btw not awful important...just curios what you would think what the compiler will do.... |
| 18:15.25 | oGMo | Pr0d1gy: reportedly, get a Pretec (not the low-power one), and like $150-200, and yes they do work |
| 18:15.31 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: have fun ;) |
| 18:15.44 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: leave one named "initrd.bin" |
| 18:15.56 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: rename the other to JUST "zImage" |
| 18:16.08 | Pr0d1gy | oGMo, is there any good software for the Z which will actually draw maps and let you navigate on them? So not only coords. |
| 18:16.27 | oGMo | Pr0d1gy: yeah |
| 18:16.35 | oGMo | Pr0d1gy: look on the ZSI and search for gps |
| 18:16.51 | Pr0d1gy | oGMo, and do I have to get the maps itself or do the satelite 'deliver' them? |
| 18:17.13 | oGMo | Pr0d1gy: er, you have to buy or make your own maps ;) one package has instructions to make them from online sources though |
| 18:17.28 | Pr0d1gy | ow, that's great. thanks for the help |
| 18:17.43 | oGMo | it would be neat to get maps, but that'd take a lot of bandwidth and possibly require 2-way communication |
| 18:18.55 | NetAmp | I can get maps from HAM radio :P |
| 18:19.10 | Pr0d1gy | oGMo, yes, though the same. But i'm very new to GPS so I don't know much about it. |
| 18:19.32 | Pr0d1gy | well, I live in holland so I don't give myself much chance that there are already pre-made maps. |
| 18:19.46 | oGMo | Pr0d1gy: ah |
| 18:19.46 | pez2001 | 2way not required ...bandwidth no problem....come on ...its a military satelite system....but as normal mortal you would never get that kind of comfort and accuracy |
| 18:20.10 | oGMo | pez2001: how would it know which map to deliver? ;) |
| 18:20.34 | Pr0d1gy | hmm.. 2way would be *very* neat.. think about it: internet-ing over satelite on your Z.. but the latency sucks ofcourse |
| 18:21.01 | oGMo | Pr0d1gy: latency and the small satellite relay you'd have to carry around and properly align ;) |
| 18:21.03 | pez2001 | i would deliver a static map package in parts interpolated so that its getting better and better with staying in position |
| 18:21.09 | Pr0d1gy | hehe yes |
| 18:21.24 | pez2001 | for all possible positions you could be seen from the satelite.... |
| 18:21.34 | pez2001 | i dont think thats a big problem |
| 18:22.06 | pez2001 | difficult to explain though |
| 18:22.52 | oGMo | pez2001: maybe not but eh |
| 18:23.49 | oGMo | you still have to deliver a given detail N, and you could, possibly, cycle through delivery of given map data, but that'd consume precious bandwidth and increase actual position latency i'd think |
| 18:24.08 | CrazyGogo | how often do i have to press the full reset button? |
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| 18:24.24 | CrazyGogo | i just did the c-d-reset combination... its flashing now... |
| 18:24.36 | CrazyGogo | do i have to press again after flashing? |
| 18:24.38 | oGMo | CrazyGogo: ok, when it gets done flashing, push it again |
| 18:24.38 | oGMo | yes |
| 18:24.40 | TheMasterMind1 | yes after its done |
| 18:24.48 | pez2001 | like a static map signal for the satelites position and its beneath circle the gps gets the data relevant for his triangulated position and and buffers the data and interpolates the map out of it |
| 18:25.00 | CrazyGogo | and it'll tell me when its done... eg both leds turn off .. or? |
| 18:25.06 | oGMo | pez2001: that doesn't work |
| 18:25.17 | oGMo | pez2001: it requires the satellite know about the GPS |
| 18:25.21 | kergoth`sick | tux_mike: ping |
| 18:25.21 | pez2001 | pretty neat idea... and i think the military has incorporated this into their system...or they would be dumb assholes |
| 18:25.23 | oGMo | where it is, what it needs |
| 18:25.28 | pez2001 | ogmo... no |
| 18:25.33 | tux_mike | kergoth`sick: pong |
| 18:25.34 | CrazyGogo | oh.. leds just gone OFF... |
| 18:25.44 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: mail led will go off yes, battery too if bat is full |
| 18:25.48 | pez2001 | its send data for all possible gps receiver positions if you want so |
| 18:25.54 | Pr0d1gy | btw, who's owning the 24 satelites circeling the earth for GPS? |
| 18:25.56 | CrazyGogo | ok... took 2 min or so?! |
| 18:25.56 | pez2001 | pretty much ...but who cares |
| 18:25.59 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: then just press reset again and turn it on |
| 18:26.02 | kergoth`sick | tux_mike: mind doing me a favor? on zelda.tuxnami.org, mkdir /usr/local/arm/, and download and extract both tarballs from openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ into it? :) |
| 18:26.05 | pez2001 | and over time the image gets better and better |
| 18:26.15 | NetAmp | CrazyGogo: could be, takes around 3min from Cf |
| 18:26.16 | oGMo | pez2001: they might have updated satellite map delivery but we certainly wouldn't get it ;) plus, for realistic purposes, it's much more useful for the everyday person to have roadmaps |
| 18:26.30 | pez2001 | believe me ... there would be no need for a two way signal |
| 18:26.32 | CrazyGogo | i pressed reset and the battery led went back on... |
| 18:26.41 | NetAmp | yeah then turn the Z on |
| 18:26.50 | CrazyGogo | with or withut the CF inserted? |
| 18:26.55 | pez2001 | thats what i think too... |
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| 18:27.03 | NetAmp | there's no harm in leaving it |
| 18:27.14 | NetAmp | just flip the battery switch back to Normal Operation |
| 18:27.17 | NetAmp | and off you go.. |
| 18:27.25 | NetAmp | or on actually |
| 18:27.29 | CrazyGogo | green dinisaur... |
| 18:27.35 | NetAmp | Pingizauru! |
| 18:27.35 | CrazyGogo | dino |
| 18:27.37 | CrazyGogo | heehee |
| 18:27.39 | oGMo | sounds like opie |
| 18:27.40 | pez2001 | the could shoot a cruise missile thru a 2m² window... so i think they got pretty fine and accurate stuff arround |
| 18:27.48 | kergoth`sick | pingizauru lives |
| 18:27.50 | kergoth`sick | heheh |
| 18:27.52 | NetAmp | now it should say "reconfiguring packages installed on root" blahblah |
| 18:27.53 | CrazyGogo | :)) |
| 18:27.54 | NetAmp | something like it |
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| 18:27.55 | kergoth`sick | we still need a tamigotcha for pingizauru |
| 18:27.59 | kergoth`sick | er |
| 18:28.01 | NetAmp | yeah! |
| 18:28.02 | kergoth`sick | s/cha/chi/ |
| 18:28.06 | kergoth`sick | whatever |
| 18:28.09 | NetAmp | We've already got Virtual Kendrick |
| 18:28.09 | CrazyGogo | NetAmp: yes... |
| 18:28.12 | kergoth`sick | hehe |
| 18:28.15 | NetAmp | but we need Virtual PZ too |
| 18:28.22 | warmi | hi |
| 18:28.23 | NetAmp | and Virtual Hardwire/Whardier :P |
| 18:28.27 | NetAmp | hiya warmi |
| 18:28.31 | tez_h | Hi all, I'm using opie-irc!! |
| 18:28.35 | Pr0d1gy | btw, is there a tamagotchi for the sharp rom? |
| 18:28.36 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 18:28.39 | Pr0d1gy | nice tez |
| 18:28.50 | TheMasterMind1 | does opie-irc still do that weird scrolling stuff |
| 18:28.52 | tux_mike | warmi: work load lightening up? you've been on a lot latley :) |
| 18:28.58 | tux_mike | kergoth`sick: downloading now |
| 18:28.59 | Pr0d1gy | master, yes it does |
| 18:29.02 | kergoth`sick | tux_mike: thanks |
| 18:29.05 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah . but only this week I think |
| 18:29.11 | tez_h | weird scrolling stuff? |
| 18:29.13 | tux_mike | eta ~15 mins |
| 18:29.23 | Pr0d1gy | yes, if you switch from channel to channel it scrolls way up |
| 18:29.41 | Pr0d1gy | not all the time, but it happened here about 10 times or so |
| 18:30.10 | tez_h | I see. I'll just have to use it more to experience this bug then. |
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| 18:32.02 | oGMo | speaking of channel to channel |
| 18:32.13 | tez_h | Hmm. opie-irc doesn't seem to have a launcher icon, nor does it place itself in the taskbar. |
| 18:32.22 | TheMasterMind1 | tez_h: it should.. where did you install it |
| 18:32.24 | oGMo | 802.11b would make the Z a nice overpriced remote |
| 18:32.26 | oGMo | hmm |
| 18:32.29 | oGMo | brb |
| 18:32.35 | Pr0d1gy | tez, it does. in the applications tab |
| 18:32.39 | NetAmp | symlink it... |
| 18:32.41 | NetAmp | bbl |
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| 18:32.56 | TheMasterMind1 | tez_h: if you installed via ipkg from commandline to a non-/ location you need to do ipkg-link add opie-irc |
| 18:33.05 | tez_h | I places it on my sd card. I'll symlink it |
| 18:33.09 | Pr0d1gy | oGMo, in combination with VNC i.e. you could launch your DVD from your computer while sitting in front of your tv. |
| 18:33.12 | tez_h | ok, cheers |
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| 18:35.41 | tez_h | Is it normal to have to restart opie to update launcher changes? |
| 18:36.06 | kergoth`sick | tez_h: you dont have to, theres a qcop call to refresh the icons |
| 18:36.14 | kergoth`sick | tez_h: aqpkg normally does it for you, but you installed from cmdline |
| 18:36.36 | tez_h | yes, yes I did. aqpkg complained |
| 18:36.37 | TheMasterMind1 | we should add that qcop to ipkg-link no? |
| 18:36.50 | kergoth`sick | TheMasterMind1: no, cause it'll bitch all over the place if they're running from ssh |
| 18:36.53 | kergoth`sick | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 18:37.00 | kergoth`sick | TheMasterMind1: unless the vars are set and opie is running |
| 18:37.05 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:37.08 | kergoth`sick | TheMasterMind1: but what if they dont even use opie? and use picogui? |
| 18:37.10 | kergoth`sick | then its pointless |
| 18:37.11 | kergoth`sick | so no |
| 18:37.12 | kergoth`sick | :) |
| 18:37.44 | tez_h | what's this magic qcop call then? Can I do it from the cmdline? |
| 18:37.54 | icefox | well only if you use & and not * |
| 18:38.03 | icefox | sorry too easy |
| 18:38.14 | icefox | hi ChipX867 |
| 18:38.15 | icefox | hi ChipX86 |
| 18:38.19 | ChipX86|School | hi icefox |
| 18:38.27 | icefox | where do you go to school |
| 18:38.34 | ChipX86|School | local community college |
| 18:38.46 | icefox | There are a number of levels for the palm game that you can probalby use for yours if they let you |
| 18:39.15 | ChipX86|School | I doubt they'll give me permission, but you can just download the pdbs and copy them to /opt/Qtopia/share/tickypip/levels/ |
| 18:39.25 | icefox | is there a level editor? |
| 18:39.31 | ChipX86|School | not yet, but I'll be working on one |
| 18:39.33 | CrazyGogo | oha... i logged out.. how do i get back in at the login scrren? |
| 18:39.39 | CrazyGogo | i mean back to opie |
| 18:39.44 | kergoth`sick | CrazyGogo: faq. |
| 18:39.45 | ChipX86|School | I hope to work on the next release after finals |
| 18:39.46 | kergoth`sick | CrazyGogo: read it |
| 18:39.53 | ChipX86|School | and then after that release, I may start doing a level editor |
| 18:40.01 | kergoth`sick | CrazyGogo: openzaurus.org |
| 18:40.06 | icefox | cool |
| 18:40.17 | icefox | The files seemed to be zipped or something (i.e. not plain text) |
| 18:40.36 | ChipX86|School | which? |
| 18:40.40 | icefox | the packs |
| 18:40.51 | tez_h | Does anyone here use a jabber client on their Z? |
| 18:40.59 | ChipX86|School | they're PDB format |
| 18:41.00 | icefox | BigBoss does |
| 18:42.28 | CrazyGogo | kergoth`sick: 'k ure right... rebbot does it, too :)) |
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| 18:54.59 | Cloudchaser | i use tkcjabber |
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| 18:56.44 | tez_h | I was hoping there was a good free jabber client, but qtjim right now seems a little unrefined. |
| 18:56.50 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 18:56.59 | Cloudchaser | tkcjabber was the first app i bought for the z |
| 18:58.07 | tez_h | Yeah, it does look like it would be worth it. |
| 18:58.20 | Cloudchaser | it was to me |
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| 19:01.14 | lsmith | tkc should finally offer a subscription service for their apps |
| 19:01.39 | tez_h | I keep getting "Couldnt kill old gunzip process" errors now when I use aqpkg. |
| 19:01.40 | lsmith | please everybody mail them and suggest that! |
| 19:01.51 | tez_h | Anyone know why? |
| 19:02.05 | jbwiv | hey guys. just restored from backup from cf (after trying to install OZ before realizing my cf was formatted as ext2). anyway, everything seems to have made it back ok, but when I try to start sshd with 'sshd -f /etc/ssh/ssh_config' I get 3 lines returned as bad, stating "/etc/ssh/ssh_config: line 30: Bad configuration option: IdentityFile". The IdentityFile is specified as bad for each of the 3 lines. It's been so long since I reboot my Z, |
| 19:02.05 | jbwiv | I can't think what might be happening. Any ideas? thx in advance. |
| 19:02.28 | Cloudchaser | tez_h: ask that question in #openzaurus |
| 19:02.39 | tez_h | ah, cheers |
| 19:03.49 | Cloudchaser | jbwiv: same with you :) more oz folks in there |
| 19:04.39 | jbwiv | Cloudchaser: but it's not an oz question...this is a backup from a Sharp rom. |
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| 19:04.47 | jbwiv | more of a sshd for the Z question, I suppose. |
| 19:04.48 | Cloudchaser | oh sorry bout that ;( |
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| 19:05.47 | jbwiv | one little quick question...until I get ssh working again I've (God forbid) enabled telnet on the Z. However, attempts at su'ing to root are failing. is this a security feature? |
| 19:06.27 | Cloudchaser | no idea.. only ever used root on mine |
| 19:06.43 | jbwiv | Cloudchaser...you mean you telnet in as root? |
| 19:07.28 | Cloudchaser | i don't telnet in ;) but if i did i would |
| 19:07.40 | Cloudchaser | i ssh in as root though |
| 19:07.48 | Cloudchaser | and ftp (rarely) |
| 19:07.50 | jbwiv | Cloudchaser: hm, I think telnet'ing in as root is disabled with most systems. |
| 19:07.56 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 19:08.06 | jbwiv | yeah, I usually only use ssh but now....damn it...it's broken ;( |
| 19:08.17 | jbwiv | ;) |
| 19:08.27 | Cloudchaser | you had it installed to cf card? |
| 19:08.58 | Cloudchaser | and you restored a backup...does sharp backup restore files to the cf? |
| 19:09.01 | CrazyGogo | is the OZ faq somewhere for download? |
| 19:09.56 | jbwiv | no...had the backup to cf, but the sshd to memory. |
| 19:10.20 | jbwiv | oh well...I'll crack that nut later. Anyone know if there's a way to reformat a cf as vfat from the Z? |
| 19:10.33 | Cloudchaser | hmmm..maybe try to uninstall ssh and reinstall it? |
| 19:10.51 | jbwiv | oops...never mind. just found mkfs.vfat |
| 19:10.54 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 19:10.57 | Cloudchaser | yeppers |
| 19:11.05 | Cloudchaser | make sure its fat 16 though |
| 19:11.20 | jbwiv | ok....I suppose it's an option to mkfs.vfat? |
| 19:11.43 | Cloudchaser | shoud be or maybe for fdisk |
| 19:11.49 | Cloudchaser | might have to do that first? |
| 19:12.33 | jbwiv | ok...thx |
| 19:13.46 | CrazyGogo | where should i install JEODE and the KEYZ-ZKB ? |
| 19:14.09 | CrazyGogo | not on sd/cf rite? |
| 19:15.07 | CrazyGogo | cant browse the OZ FAQ :(( |
| 19:19.04 | Com[Plex] | CrazyGogo: you can install jeode anywhere |
| 19:19.19 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: any luck with your Z? |
| 19:19.26 | Com[Plex] | as long as its ext2fs |
| 19:19.50 | Com[Plex] | tmm: no... I unplugged it at 7pm last night. Im wating until 7pm tonight to try it again |
| 19:20.26 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 19:20.30 | Com[Plex] | IM gonna call sharp in a minute too |
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| 19:23.28 | Cloudchaser | still broken Com[Plex]? |
| 19:23.29 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 19:23.31 | tboc | hi |
| 19:23.35 | Cloudchaser | hi |
| 19:25.22 | icefox | A huge problem with crappy software development is that it is not approached as engineering. Rather, projects usually start as kludges [tuxedo.org] ("Hey, look at the cool thing I did this morning"), and develop into large or huge kludges. |
| 19:25.31 | icefox | remind you of anything? |
| 19:29.56 | CrazyGogo | OZ rulez... just great... |
| 19:30.19 | CrazyGogo | if oz . org would work.. that would be nice, tooo.... |
| 19:33.52 | Com[Plex] | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.58 | kergoth`sick | Com[Plex]: yes, you can, if you know which pins to use and how to enable jtag use |
| 19:35.11 | kergoth`sick | Com[Plex]: need to raise voltage on a pin to switch from serial to jtag mode for the connector |
| 19:35.23 | kergoth`sick | Com[Plex]: and i hope your parallel port is the right voltage, otherwise you'll need to buffer it |
| 19:35.24 | Com[Plex] | do you have any info on this? any readmes? anythign? |
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| 19:35.42 | kergoth`sick | i have the Z service manual, yes |
| 19:35.48 | kergoth`sick | cant give any of the info out |
| 19:35.49 | Com[Plex] | rrrreeally! |
| 19:35.51 | kergoth`sick | tis under NDA |
| 19:35.52 | Com[Plex] | omg |
| 19:36.01 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* |
| 19:36.38 | Twiun | kergoth`sick: can you tell him how to apply for the info (and NDA of course)? |
| 19:36.39 | ljp_work | well, if you have the service manual, why didnt you fix your broken z? :D |
| 19:36.59 | treke | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=772 <-- looks cool |
| 19:37.20 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid NDA |
| 19:37.21 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 19:37.23 | kergoth`sick | ljp_work: i mustve missed the section where it tells me how to fix a cracked touchscreen digitizer :P |
| 19:37.37 | treke | wonder if the author really needed libstdc++ though :) |
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| 19:38.10 | ljp_work | well, its a 'service' manual, no? |
| 19:38.29 | ljp_work | did you try to glue it? that works for windows |
| 19:38.30 | Twiun | treke: maybe it's a LPRng dependency? |
| 19:38.33 | jbwiv | damn it...connection died. if anyone tried to answer my mkfs.msdos question, could you repost? thanks! |
| 19:38.39 | treke | Twiun: could be |
| 19:38.40 | Twiun | ljp_work: No, no... chewing gum |
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| 19:39.24 | TheMasterMind1 | jbwiv: what was the questoin |
| 19:39.47 | Com[Plex] | hey guys, how much is 70,000 yen converted to american dollars? |
| 19:39.59 | jbwiv | TheMasterMind1: hmmm...the OZ install guide says CF filesystem must be vfat, but on the SD and CF FAQ at zauruszone it says vfat should not be used for rom upgrade...rather you should use mkfs.msdos. Anyone know which one I should go with? Thanks! |
| 19:40.02 | treke | Sugar what is 70000 YEN in USD? |
| 19:40.33 | TheMasterMind1 | jbwiv: can you get me a link on that ZZ faq? |
| 19:41.03 | treke | Sugar what is 70000 JPY in USD? |
| 19:41.06 | Sugar | 70000 JPY is 584.59998 US$ |
| 19:41.23 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez |
| 19:41.27 | TheMasterMind1 | why do you need that much dough |
| 19:41.40 | treke | TheMasterMind1: probably the cost of a Z |
| 19:41.51 | tux_mike | C700? |
| 19:41.59 | jbwiv | TheMasterMind1: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml....although kergoth already got my question. |
| 19:42.03 | treke | I would guess a300 |
| 19:42.11 | treke | 580 seems cheap for the c700 |
| 19:42.31 | CrazyGogo | huh? all te icons are gone?? i can acess the apps only via the menue?! whats theat? |
| 19:42.57 | KotH | n'abend |
| 19:43.10 | CrazyGogo | and when i turn it back on frum suspend it asks to search media for files? again and again... |
| 19:43.53 | treke | TheMasterMind1: I imagine 1 yen is roughly equivalent to a penny in the US |
| 19:44.20 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? i read an article that said the c700 would sell for $500 in the us by the end of jan |
| 19:44.33 | kergoth`sick | TheMasterMind1: was wrong |
| 19:44.33 | treke | which article? |
| 19:44.39 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: wishful thinking according to Jason |
| 19:44.43 | TheMasterMind1 | damn. |
| 19:44.50 | TheMasterMind1 | some article on yahoo |
| 19:45.02 | treke | I read an article that said that elvis is alive an performing in tennessee |
| 19:45.08 | kergoth`sick | hehe |
| 19:45.09 | CrazyGogo | damn.. its always ejecting my CF card when turning back on frum supend... ... |
| 19:45.22 | TheMasterMind1 | treke when? |
| 19:45.28 | treke | TheMasterMind1: Fridays |
| 19:45.33 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: frum!=from? |
| 19:45.35 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 19:45.39 | TheMasterMind1 | CrazyGogo: yea, we know. |
| 19:46.20 | CrazyGogo | TheMasterMind1 : is that wanted? |
| 19:46.34 | TheMasterMind1 | no, its a bug that we can't figure out how to fix |
| 19:47.02 | CrazyGogo | kiddin me or... ? |
| 19:47.46 | TheMasterMind1 | no im' serious |
| 19:47.56 | TheMasterMind1 | we're working onit |
| 19:51.01 | glad | does anyone know where i can by a c700 in europe ? |
| 19:51.18 | CrazyGogo | TheMasterMind1 : whats this medium checking about... its enabled, but it seems to work randomly... |
| 19:51.49 | TheMasterMind1 | mediumchecking is crap |
| 19:51.57 | TheMasterMind1 | its all because of that shitty documents tab |
| 19:52.02 | TheMasterMind1 | which will be replaced soon |
| 19:52.03 | TheMasterMind1 | hopefully anyway |
| 19:52.09 | CrazyGogo | can i turn it off - globally? |
| 19:52.26 | kergoth`sick | CrazyGogo: Settings->mediummount |
| 19:52.31 | Cloudchaser | if you turn it off, aqpg won't see your ipkg on cf or sd i don't think |
| 19:52.46 | Cloudchaser | aqpkg that is |
| 19:52.55 | kergoth`sick | right |
| 19:53.05 | kergoth`sick | it and other apps use the docs tab to find documents |
| 19:53.33 | CrazyGogo | kergoth`sick: yes i know... so i cant turn it off... the thing is with that document tab... files there appear 'randomly' |
| 19:54.17 | Cloudchaser | what do you mean they appear there randomly? |
| 19:54.30 | kergoth`sick | eh? |
| 19:54.32 | CrazyGogo | i know that both SD and CF contain files... |
| 19:54.36 | kergoth`sick | docs tab shows all my files all the time fine |
| 19:54.39 | Cloudchaser | like one minute they're not there then the next minute they are? |
| 19:54.44 | CrazyGogo | i set the medioum cheing to ON and to ALL, globally |
| 19:54.45 | kergoth`sick | unless you used that docs tab hider app to hide shit |
| 19:54.52 | Cloudchaser | then they are gone again? |
| 19:55.43 | TheMasterMind1 | having 2k files on my CF doesn't work well with medium checking |
| 19:55.49 | CrazyGogo | i dont see anything... then i used the filemanager and looked at the sd card... files still there.. after i did that, the sd card files (not inside folders?!) ould be seen in the doc tab... the cf files still dont show |
| 19:57.37 | CrazyGogo | loox liek its only showing ipk's, even though its set to 'all' .. and only from one medium.. even though both of them are accessable |
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| 20:21.32 | TheMasterMind1 | any sharp rom users here who can test out a new operacreator for me? |
| 20:23.47 | Com[Plex] | have you had anyoine test it yet? |
| 20:25.37 | CrazyGogo | sorry _just_ flashed to OZ ... |
| 20:25.52 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: nope |
| 20:26.35 | CrazyGogo | Com[Plex] : u're Z still bricked? |
| 20:26.40 | CrazyGogo | ur |
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| 20:30.12 | Com[Plex] | yes :< |
| 20:31.46 | Com[Plex] | im /very temped/ to build this jtag port thing and reprogram it |
| 20:33.44 | willert | Hi there, I am considering the purchase of a Zaurus right now and need some additional inforamtion I didn't find on the net. Is TCP/IP over the IrDA interface possible? If so, how about the range and speed of the connection? |
| 20:35.19 | TheMasterMind1 | of the irda? |
| 20:37.40 | Com[Plex] | willert: people connect there zs to mobile phones over irda for internet access. |
| 20:37.50 | Com[Plex] | its slow, and the range is really REaly short. |
| 20:37.55 | Com[Plex] | but it works |
| 20:38.12 | CrazyGogo | complex: whats slow? |
| 20:39.07 | Com[Plex] | dont know, never done it actually. |
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| 20:39.44 | Guest | :d |
| 20:39.45 | Com[Plex] | im falling asleep |
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| 20:42.26 | willert | Mhhh, I was looking for an easy way to let the Zaurus access my network at home, without shelling out tons of Euro's vor an WLAN solution. Slow doesn't matter as long as I get dial-up speed (which should be possible with the 100+ kbps of IrDA). Just having the docking station to access my desktop kills some of the potential advantages of having an linux based PDA :( |
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| 20:42.57 | brontos | Is there a firewall for the ftp on the z? |
| 20:43.15 | brontos | I try to ftp in and I get a remote closes connection |
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| 20:45.05 | ljp_work | use port 4242 |
| 20:46.36 | brontos | ljp_work: I am using port 4242 |
| 20:47.29 | ljp_work | user root password rootme |
| 20:47.57 | brontos | won't even connect to let me login |
| 20:48.08 | kergoth`sick | brontos: what rom? |
| 20:48.20 | brontos | sharp's rom |
| 20:48.31 | kergoth`sick | what rom? |
| 20:48.35 | kergoth`sick | -version- |
| 20:48.36 | kergoth`sick | heh |
| 20:48.47 | brontos | oh hmmm let me see |
| 20:49.03 | kergoth`sick | and what interface? usb wireless orwhat? |
| 20:49.10 | brontos | usb |
| 20:49.13 | brontos | I can ping it |
| 20:49.27 | brontos | I am not sure which version where do I find that out? |
| 20:50.16 | kergoth`sick | ugh |
| 20:50.19 | kergoth`sick | System Info |
| 20:50.20 | kergoth`sick | Version tab |
| 20:50.21 | brontos | yeah |
| 20:51.00 | brontos | 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embed |
| 20:51.09 | kergoth`sick | jesus fucking christ |
| 20:51.12 | kergoth`sick | i said ROM VERSION |
| 20:51.16 | kergoth`sick | not KERNEL VERSION |
| 20:51.24 | kergoth`sick | ~lart brontos |
| 20:51.38 | ChipX86 | ouch. That would hurt. |
| 20:52.23 | brontos | 1.5 |
| 20:52.39 | brontos | 1.5.0 |
| 20:52.49 | kergoth`sick | thats qtopia version |
| 20:52.52 | kergoth`sick | not rom version |
| 20:52.53 | kergoth`sick | as i said |
| 20:53.09 | brontos | I do not see anything about the rom |
| 20:53.18 | kergoth`sick | what Zaurus? |
| 20:53.18 | brontos | ah here it is |
| 20:53.18 | ChipX86 | very bottom |
| 20:53.19 | CrazyGogo | scroll down# |
| 20:53.20 | ChipX86 | "ROM Version: ..." |
| 20:53.21 | brontos | 2.38 |
| 20:53.21 | kergoth`sick | heh |
| 20:53.31 | CrazyGogo | i just flashed but i remember# |
| 20:53.35 | CrazyGogo | BOTTOM |
| 20:53.37 | brontos | long day here for me |
| 20:55.44 | brontos | sharps rom 2.38 connecting via ftp on port 4242 on usbd |
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| 20:58.22 | brontos | CrazyGogo doesn't OZ seem to be too quarky? |
| 20:58.35 | h2o|gogo | too what? |
| 20:58.39 | kergoth`sick | lol |
| 20:58.46 | kergoth`sick | that means full of quarks, right? |
| 20:58.52 | brontos | yeah |
| 20:58.59 | kergoth`sick | i think you meant -quirky- |
| 20:59.04 | h2o|gogo | first thing i noticed: everything i didnt need in the sharp rom was gone *nice* :) |
| 20:59.07 | brontos | I had too many problems with it |
| 20:59.11 | kergoth`sick | a quark is quite different than what you indended |
| 20:59.11 | kergoth`sick | hehe |
| 20:59.33 | brontos | lol whatever |
| 20:59.41 | kergoth`sick | what problems? |
| 20:59.47 | h2o|gogo | well i alredy have some problem.... but thats why i bought a Z ... i'm a freak :) |
| 21:00.15 | h2o|gogo | didn't xactly buy the Z for PIM reasons... *g* |
| 21:00.23 | brontos | I couldn't run half the programs I wanted. plus when I installed them they wouldn't show up on any tabs |
| 21:00.27 | kergoth`sick | i did, but i never ended up using it for it |
| 21:00.34 | kergoth`sick | brontos: i'd say 99.9% chance it was user error |
| 21:00.40 | kergoth`sick | brontos: every app i've installed from zsi works flawlessly |
| 21:01.06 | h2o|gogo | a tool to for formating sd to ext2 has to be installed sepeately or is that already somewhere hidden? |
| 21:01.09 | brontos | kergoth`sick: your probably right but I don't have too much time to be setting everything up |
| 21:01.15 | kergoth`sick | huh? |
| 21:01.18 | kergoth`sick | theres nothing to set up |
| 21:01.20 | kergoth`sick | it just works |
| 21:01.35 | kergoth`sick | h2o|gogo: commandline tool exists, if you want a gui you have to install it |
| 21:01.35 | kergoth`sick | window 12 |
| 21:01.39 | kergoth`sick | er missed a / |
| 21:01.47 | brontos | kergoth`sick: I would try to run a program and opie would shutdown |
| 21:01.59 | kergoth`sick | 'a program' |
| 21:02.00 | kergoth`sick | such as? |
| 21:02.06 | h2o|gogo | cmd would be enough - whats the name of the tool? |
| 21:02.12 | kergoth`sick | h2o|gogo: read the sd howto |
| 21:02.16 | kergoth`sick | ibot: tell h2o|gogo about howto |
| 21:02.17 | h2o|gogo | k |
| 21:02.25 | brontos | hmm vncserver for one |
| 21:02.34 | h2o|gogo | thx kergoth`sick |
| 21:02.38 | kergoth`sick | brontos: the sharp vnc server doesnt work in OZ |
| 21:02.45 | kergoth`sick | brontos: OZ has one in its feeds that works flawlessly |
| 21:02.59 | brontos | kergoth`sick: Where is it at? |
| 21:03.06 | kergoth`sick | .. |
| 21:03.08 | kergoth`sick | in the OZ feeds |
| 21:03.10 | kergoth`sick | openzaurus.org |
| 21:03.13 | kergoth`sick | you can click your way there |
| 21:03.23 | kergoth`sick | the web site has just about everything you could possibly need, includign faqs |
| 21:03.44 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz feed |
| 21:03.45 | | hmm... oz feed is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 21:04.09 | brontos | I loved the interface for it |
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| 21:06.14 | brontos | in oz do you have to create an icon for new software I install? |
| 21:06.19 | kergoth`sick | no |
| 21:06.25 | kergoth`sick | aqpkg does it all |
| 21:07.04 | brontos | see aqpkg I had so many problems with... |
| 21:07.19 | brontos | I could never get it to open or install new packages |
| 21:07.25 | kergoth`sick | probably just needed to upgrade it. it had one or two quirks |
| 21:07.30 | kergoth`sick | nothign that prevented its use though |
| 21:07.31 | brontos | I had to install them via commandline |
| 21:07.32 | h2o|gogo | kergoth`sick: thx, sd is formatted :) |
| 21:07.34 | kergoth`sick | i havent heard any reports of that |
| 21:07.38 | kergoth`sick | h2o|gogo: glad to hear it |
| 21:07.51 | sandman|away | kergoth`sick: prelink: Warning: /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2 has undefined non-weak symbols ... "interesting" ... |
| 21:07.59 | h2o|gogo | kergoth`sick: well i had to click force-depends for jeode and keyz... :) |
| 21:08.07 | kergoth`sick | sandman|away: interesting.. thats one way to put it.. |
| 21:08.40 | brontos | well I will try it out again... well just have to see how it works |
| 21:08.42 | sandman|away | kergoth`sick: prelink -a -v is running .. but looks good |
| 21:08.46 | kergoth`sick | sandman|away: nice |
| 21:08.55 | kergoth`sick | sandman|away: i'm about to flash an image and test it here too on my gcc3 built rom |
| 21:09.14 | sandman|away | I even got rid of the OZ glibc6 ;) |
| 21:09.18 | kergoth`sick | hehe |
| 21:09.30 | h2o|gogo | i installed both into mtdram |
| 21:09.43 | kergoth`sick | figured :) |
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| 21:10.06 | h2o|gogo | *off into the bathtub* :) |
| 21:11.06 | sandman|away | either prelink -a -v takes ages to complete or it just hangs ... |
| 21:13.56 | treke | Sugar: get me a drink |
| 21:14.04 | sandman|away | Prelinking /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqpe.so.1.5.0 |
| 21:14.04 | sandman|away | prelink: /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqpe.so.1: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 did not print any lookup lines |
| 21:14.25 | sandman|away | this leads to libpqe not being prelinked .. :( |
| 21:14.36 | h2o|gogo | is there a battery status applet with more detailed info in the works? |
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| 21:17.14 | kergoth`sick | sandman_: hmm |
| 21:17.23 | kergoth`sick | h2o|gogo: OZ already has better status output :) |
| 21:17.33 | kergoth`sick | h2o|gogo: but its in the kernels that'll be available in oz3.1rc1 and higher |
| 21:18.49 | h2o|gogo | ah ok... so i cant simply update the applet from some testing /unstable feed... |
| 21:18.50 | oGMo | kergoth`sick: will SD still work with that? |
| 21:19.27 | oGMo | it would be nice if sharp would build a generic static module and an open driver that called it |
| 21:20.26 | kergoth`sick | oGMo: sd works fine, its the same kernel ver |
| 21:20.31 | kergoth`sick | oGMo: just has enhanced battery status |
| 21:20.54 | oGMo | kergoth`sick: ahhhhh |
| 21:21.04 | h2o|gogo | my toshiba sd works perfectly! |
| 21:21.19 | h2o|gogo | have to update the entry on kingfire's site... |
| 21:21.43 | brontos | ok I reinstalled oz |
| 21:21.58 | brontos | now... how do I get apkg to read ipks from my cf? |
| 21:22.07 | h2o|gogo | insert the cf |
| 21:22.20 | h2o|gogo | start apkg |
| 21:22.33 | h2o|gogo | choose local... |
| 21:23.09 | brontos | where do I choose local from? |
| 21:23.32 | h2o|gogo | first line: servers --> local IPKG |
| 21:23.52 | h2o|gogo | where Installed PKGS is set |
| 21:24.05 | brontos | all it says is oz3 |
| 21:24.31 | h2o|gogo | is your cf being recignized? |
| 21:24.41 | brontos | I can see it in terminal |
| 21:25.04 | h2o|gogo | whe u tab on the card applet below... can u chose eject ata/ide disk or sumfin like that? |
| 21:25.51 | brontos | yeah |
| 21:26.03 | h2o|gogo | ok... |
| 21:26.24 | h2o|gogo | go to the settings ---> mount blah blah... is document checking enabled? |
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| 21:26.59 | h2o|gogo | setting -> medium mount |
| 21:27.09 | brontos | i think so |
| 21:27.14 | h2o|gogo | enabled? |
| 21:27.19 | h2o|gogo | for CF, too? |
| 21:27.31 | h2o|gogo | _all_ ? |
| 21:27.32 | brontos | yea |
| 21:27.53 | h2o|gogo | global setting -> all? ok.. |
| 21:28.00 | brontos | yea |
| 21:28.28 | h2o|gogo | can u see simply doulble click the ipk's i the file manager? |
| 21:28.55 | brontos | the ipks show up in the docs tab |
| 21:29.09 | h2o|gogo | click on one |
| 21:29.16 | h2o|gogo | apkg shpuld start |
| 21:29.32 | brontos | and i clik on them apkg opens but the pkg dosn't show up |
| 21:29.38 | h2o|gogo | u should also see them in apkg unter 'local..' |
| 21:29.54 | h2o|gogo | hrmmm... |
| 21:30.29 | h2o|gogo | which OZ did u install? version? |
| 21:30.36 | h2o|gogo | some recent? |
| 21:30.38 | brontos | 3 |
| 21:30.49 | h2o|gogo | hmm, me, too |
| 21:31.01 | h2o|gogo | hey it worked for me without _any_ problems... |
| 21:31.46 | brontos | did for me the 1st time i installed oz |
| 21:32.03 | h2o|gogo | weird |
| 21:32.21 | h2o|gogo | damn i'm still not in the bath tub |
| 21:33.25 | ljp_work | damn, I still dont own a hot tub |
| 21:34.16 | h2o|gogo | i dont own one either... i have to rent :) |
| 21:34.27 | h2o|gogo | hey, im 22 :) |
| 21:34.57 | ljp_work | i'm 12 |
| 21:35.08 | h2o|gogo | lol |
| 21:35.22 | ljp_work | ehh and work should be school :) |
| 21:35.23 | h2o|gogo | and u work where and what? :) |
| 21:35.24 | ljp_work | heh |
| 21:35.55 | ljp_work | ok, I'm nor really 12 |
| 21:36.04 | ljp_work | not even |
| 21:36.04 | h2o|gogo | thought so :) |
| 21:36.16 | ljp_work | i'm 13 |
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| 21:38.07 | KotH | night |
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| 21:54.00 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: around? |
| 21:54.04 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: i got a few things for you to try |
| 21:55.25 | brontos | how do I add icons in oz? |
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| 21:57.03 | jbardin | brontos, in soviet russion oz adds icons to you |
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| 21:57.34 | oGMo | heh |
| 21:59.17 | tux_mike | http://www.speakeasy.org/~mcrawfor/ |
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| 22:02.33 | jbardin | how are you gonna fit that all in a mouse |
| 22:03.45 | tux_mike | that's not the final circuit |
| 22:04.12 | tux_mike | i have a few chips on order that will make all those transitors into chips. then i will be doing it SMT |
| 22:04.44 | tux_mike | then it will fit :) |
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| 22:12.37 | oGMo | oz3 doesn't seem to like being unsuspended while in the cradle |
| 22:13.02 | kergoth`sick | reproduce the lockup? |
| 22:13.09 | kergoth`sick | nobody can seem to reproduce it consistently |
| 22:13.26 | oGMo | well, it seems to happen every time here, although i think i've only done it twice ;) |
| 22:14.12 | oGMo | not sure what to do to help you figure out what's up |
| 22:14.48 | oGMo | my guess is some driver gets its panties in a knot |
| 22:15.39 | oGMo | not really a big deal though |
| 22:17.27 | kergoth`sick | hmm |
| 22:17.28 | brontos | in ok what do you use for an image viewer |
| 22:17.48 | oGMo | the one that comes with opie ;) |
| 22:17.58 | oGMo | brb |
| 22:18.12 | brontos | which one is that? and does it read jpgs |
| 22:18.13 | brontos | ? |
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| 22:28.42 | gideon | oi |
| 22:29.16 | gideon | what's a good ethernet cf card thats preferably low-power/compatible with openzaurus and ethereal? |
| 22:29.38 | gideon | i was looking at the socket: http://www.esend.com/socket/product.asp?sku=EA2902-139# |
| 22:29.47 | gideon | but i don't know its compatibility |
| 22:30.10 | TheMasterMind1 | i have a socket wlan low power |
| 22:30.10 | TheMasterMind1 | works great |
| 22:30.22 | gideon | hmm |
| 22:30.31 | gideon | got the ruggedized version? |
| 22:30.42 | gideon | or the dongle or integrated? |
| 22:30.56 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 22:31.02 | TheMasterMind1 | sorry |
| 22:31.06 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm using the wlan, the wireless one |
| 22:31.09 | TheMasterMind1 | haven't used the wired |
| 22:31.11 | gideon | oh |
| 22:31.11 | gideon | damn |
| 22:31.19 | gideon | thanks anyways |
| 22:31.35 | jbwiv | has anyone ran into the problem where they get "usb0: unknown interface: No such device" quite a bit when trying to hit OZ from a linux desktop? I never had that problem with the Sharp rom, but today am getting it quite a bit... |
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| 22:50.35 | gideon | is it possible to flash the zaurus with a cf and use an SD to store all the programs? |
| 22:50.50 | gideon | what would the system do with the 64 megs on the 5500 |
| 22:51.07 | treke | gideon: it would use it for ram |
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| 22:51.51 | sheenmaster | hi all |
| 22:51.52 | gideon | does it really give that much of a speed increase? |
| 22:52.07 | sheenmaster | my zaurus sl-5500 just came in! |
| 22:52.16 | gideon | yippie! |
| 22:52.18 | treke | gideon: no speed increase |
| 22:52.22 | gideon | hmm |
| 22:52.23 | treke | gideon: you can run more apps |
| 22:52.27 | gideon | hmm |
| 22:52.35 | gideon | so i guess i don't really need it eh? |
| 22:53.03 | treke | if you want to run more apps, or larger apps you do. If everything works for you now, you dont. |
| 22:53.06 | sheenmaster | but my memorex compact flash reader has a few directories of 'garbage' characters |
| 22:53.15 | sheenmaster | (enough to crash konqueror) |
| 22:53.21 | gideon | larger apps.. |
| 22:53.26 | gideon | like quake? |
| 22:53.37 | treke | quake wont work. too slow |
| 22:53.37 | sheenmaster | and I can't delete any of the files on the card (on my iBook. fine on the zaurus) |
| 22:53.49 | gideon | hmm |
| 22:53.52 | sheenmaster | gideon: I think doom has been ported. |
| 22:53.56 | gideon | hmm |
| 22:54.03 | gideon | whats a big app then? |
| 22:54.20 | treke | cant think of any off hand |
| 22:54.30 | sheenmaster | gideon: gcc!!!!!! |
| 22:54.39 | gideon | good call. |
| 22:54.45 | gideon | how big is it in ram? |
| 22:55.25 | sheenmaster | gideon: that's what I'll be doing when my 256mb SD card comes in |
| 22:55.32 | sheenmaster | I think it needs 16mb |
| 22:55.53 | gideon | hmm |
| 22:56.10 | sheenmaster | of storage; no idea on ram |
| 22:56.13 | gideon | so why can't you run 48/16 and run gcc? |
| 22:56.17 | gideon | oh |
| 22:57.11 | warmi | gideon: try konqueror |
| 22:57.20 | warmi | embedded konqueror , that is |
| 22:57.33 | warmi | I heard that one needs tons of memory etc .. |
| 22:57.49 | gideon | hmm |
| 22:57.50 | gideon | ok |
| 22:58.25 | warmi | I wonder if 5600 is any faster than 5500 .. |
| 22:58.43 | warmi | benmeyer has one so I guess he would be able to answer that question |
| 22:58.53 | gideon | lucky bastard |
| 22:59.36 | kergoth`sick | warmi: on the stock sharp rom, i doubt it'll feel faster |
| 23:00.38 | gideon | whats a good filesystem for z, i heard ext2 sucks. |
| 23:01.57 | h2o|gogo | my ext2 doesnt suck |
| 23:02.35 | gideon | unless you turn sync off |
| 23:02.46 | warmi | yeah , I guess - does gcc 3 support Xscale optimization ? |
| 23:02.50 | kergoth`sick | warmi: yep |
| 23:03.25 | kergoth`sick | warmi: the gcc3 oz rom even on the 5500 has a -noticable- performance boost for the user |
| 23:03.31 | kergoth`sick | warmi: app launch times particularly |
| 23:03.40 | kergoth`sick | warmi: (with full strongarm optimizations) |
| 23:06.42 | warmi | even on 5500 ? |
| 23:06.46 | warmi | hmm .. that's cool |
| 23:07.23 | warmi | kergoth`sick: yeah, I read that they were going to try to fix that c++/dynamic libs issue |
| 23:07.39 | warmi | so I guess, gcc 3 should also be a big boost for KDE users |
| 23:07.44 | sheenmaster | can I get a terminal on the standard zaurus rom |
| 23:07.46 | sheenmaster | ? |
| 23:07.55 | warmi | yeah, it is on your CD |
| 23:08.00 | warmi | you need to install it |
| 23:08.03 | sheenmaster | argh |
| 23:08.21 | jbwiv | after installing OZ, I get this in syslog when plugging it into the cradle "USB device not accepting new address=8 (error=-110)". anyone seen this or know what to do? thx. btw, I'm using usbdnet... |
| 23:08.30 | sheenmaster | mine is used, no cd |
| 23:08.41 | warmi | then download opie-terminal |
| 23:08.58 | warmi | I use that one anyway ( and I run stock Sharp ROM) |
| 23:08.59 | gideon | how much will the 5600 go when it's released, and how much can i sell my 5500 for when the 5600 comes out? |
| 23:09.28 | warmi | gideon: hehehe .. I think 5600 will cost around $500 or so |
| 23:09.46 | warmi | I don't know about 5500 though .. |
| 23:09.56 | warmi | these days you can get pretty good price for it on ebay |
| 23:10.03 | warmi | good for the seller |
| 23:10.15 | sheenmaster | I paid $325 for mine a 128mb flash card |
| 23:10.25 | warmi | I have seen some ridiculous prices like 400+ for used 5500 |
| 23:10.35 | sheenmaster | along with a flash reader (worthless) |
| 23:10.57 | warmi | well, not worthless - worth like $15 or so |
| 23:11.03 | TheMasterMind1 | i got my 128 cf for 65 i think and an $8 pcmcia cf reader |
| 23:11.12 | warmi | but 128 BF CF card is definately worth like$50 |
| 23:11.23 | warmi | so you got your Z for around $270 or so |
| 23:11.26 | warmi | not bad |
| 23:11.28 | sheenmaster | yeah |
| 23:11.35 | sheenmaster | Time to switch to a real rom image. |
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| 23:11.47 | warmi | does it have any commercial software installed ? |
| 23:11.51 | sheenmaster | can I backup the Java packages, and install them on another rom? |
| 23:11.55 | warmi | like perhaps tck apps or whatever ? |
| 23:11.56 | sheenmaster | lemme check |
| 23:12.56 | sheenmaster | the hancom stuff, Jeode, opera, |
| 23:12.59 | sheenmaster | rom 2.37 |
| 23:13.06 | warmi | ah ok |
| 23:13.06 | sheenmaster | I don't think any of that shit is commercial |
| 23:13.10 | warmi | that's pretty much standard |
| 23:13.15 | TheMasterMind1 | hey, can you test a operacreator for me? |
| 23:13.16 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: |
| 23:13.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i need you to test something |
| 23:13.22 | TheMasterMind1 | on the sharp rom |
| 23:13.27 | warmi | it is commercial but it is included with the device itself |
| 23:13.45 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: dinner time |
| 23:13.52 | TheMasterMind1 | tell me when you get back |
| 23:14.01 | sheenmaster | k |
| 23:14.15 | warmi | sheenmaster: yeah, I have seen somewhere scripts for creating independent ipkgs out of Java packages precisely for the purpose of intalling it on another rom |
| 23:14.26 | warmi | I think it was somewhere on zauruszone.com or something like that |
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| 23:16.45 | kergoth`sick | warmi: yep even on 5500 it flies. I'm testing prelink now, which will improve app launch times even farther |
| 23:16.59 | warmi | hehe .. cool |
| 23:17.00 | kergoth`sick | warmi: (and we can prelink on the 2.95 rom as well if we switch to libc 2.3.1 on it) |
| 23:17.09 | warmi | I gather 5600 still uses old 2.93 compiler ? |
| 23:17.10 | kergoth`sick | so we could get some performance improvement without the BC loss |
| 23:17.12 | kergoth`sick | yes |
| 23:17.16 | warmi | that sucks |
| 23:17.18 | kergoth`sick | 2.95.2 or something |
| 23:17.18 | kergoth`sick | indeed |
| 23:17.37 | warmi | yeah , prelink sounds like a great idea |
| 23:19.00 | warmi | kergoth: is your desktop system already compiled with gcc 3 ? |
| 23:19.38 | kergoth`sick | warmi: nah, i'm on debian unstable and havent gotten around to rebuilding everything |
| 23:20.07 | warmi | I dread being forced to recompile everything .. |
| 23:20.18 | kergoth`sick | i as well |
| 23:20.24 | warmi | but that would provide nice speed boost |
| 23:20.29 | kergoth`sick | speaking of which, i need to rebuild puzz-le with it |
| 23:20.33 | kergoth`sick | then i can play on my gcc3 rom |
| 23:20.33 | kergoth`sick | hehe |
| 23:20.34 | warmi | I guess I am gonna have to wait for some distro to do it for me :-) |
| 23:20.39 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:21.20 | warmi | so you are not officially running gcc3 ROM on your 5500 ? |
| 23:21.34 | kergoth`sick | not officially? |
| 23:21.50 | warmi | I mean "officially" |
| 23:21.51 | warmi | sorry |
| 23:22.12 | warmi | I meant that as if you already switched everything on your 5500 to gcc3 |
| 23:22.16 | kergoth`sick | yep |
| 23:22.21 | kergoth`sick | OZ 3.1 will be a dual release |
| 23:22.27 | kergoth`sick | both roms will be available going forward |
| 23:22.29 | warmi | how about kernel ? |
| 23:22.36 | warmi | does it make any difference there ? |
| 23:22.39 | kergoth`sick | kernel is still stuck at 2.4.6, though we have good battery status now |
| 23:22.41 | kergoth`sick | no more 4 levels |
| 23:22.43 | kergoth`sick | we have actual % |
| 23:22.53 | kergoth`sick | thank to tik's excellent patch |
| 23:22.59 | warmi | but I mean , does kernel compile with gcc 3 ? |
| 23:23.11 | kergoth`sick | oh, old kernels dont, not |
| 23:23.12 | kergoth`sick | no |
| 23:23.35 | warmi | I know gcc introduced tons of new optimizations etc .. |
| 23:23.44 | warmi | quite a change , according to what I have read |
| 23:23.52 | kergoth`sick | i doubt we'd see any performance improvement compiling the kernel with 3 |
| 23:23.54 | warmi | gcc 3 , that is |
| 23:23.58 | kergoth`sick | yes, big change |
| 23:24.04 | warmi | yeah, kernel is as tight as it gets |
| 23:24.24 | warmi | but , on XScale it would most likely benefit as well |
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| 23:26.16 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth |
| 23:26.56 | kergoth`sick | hey Com[Plex] |
| 23:27.10 | Com[Plex] | anyone here know much about the jtag port on the z? |
| 23:27.34 | warmi | time to go home ... bye |
| 23:27.37 | badalex | speaking of ports, any news on the *keen* port to the z? |
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| 23:28.33 | Cloudchaser | what keen port? |
| 23:30.10 | badalex | its not really a keen port, but i heard they were talking to the creators of keen to try to get them to release the source |
| 23:31.56 | Wintre | id |
| 23:32.00 | Wintre | id probably would |
| 23:32.04 | Wintre | They've done it before |
| 23:32.49 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: back |
| 23:34.16 | Cloudchaser | oh! that would be awesome! |
| 23:34.34 | sheenmaster | AWESOME! |
| 23:34.48 | sheenmaster | reminds me of my dos days |
| 23:35.02 | sheenmaster | granted everyone else was on winshit 98, but......... |
| 23:35.46 | sheenmaster | I had to write a dos program to remove the security software at school. Forgot how much of a bitch it is. |
| 23:36.24 | TheMasterMind1 | smeeZ|w: hey |
| 23:36.26 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: hey |
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| 23:36.50 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: what do you need? |
| 23:37.19 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: run http://me.256k.net/zaurus/operacreator_1.5_arm.ipk on your sharp rom |
| 23:37.29 | TheMasterMind1 | and send me the ipk that it puts in your documents tab |
| 23:37.40 | TheMasterMind1 | it should create an ipk with the opera stuff in it |
| 23:37.44 | TheMasterMind1 | that we can use on OZ |
| 23:37.48 | johnmcl7 | Quick question for you knowledgable peeps, would you recommend the Netgear MA7101 CF wireless card for the Zaurus? |
| 23:37.50 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: alright, gimme a second |
| 23:38.02 | kergoth`sick | johnmcl7: any prism2.5 card should work just fine |
| 23:38.05 | TheMasterMind1 | johnmcl7: yea it looks like a nice ard |
| 23:38.17 | johnmcl7 | Just trying to work out the cost of going wireless |
| 23:38.32 | johnmcl7 | I've had enough of trying to get a Zaurus at auction |
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| 23:39.59 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: argh |
| 23:40.07 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 23:40.12 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: usb cf think problem |
| 23:40.16 | kergoth`sick | fun fun |
| 23:40.20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`sick: heheh |
| 23:40.23 | johnmcl7 | What have you done/ |
| 23:40.23 | johnmcl7 | ? |
| 23:40.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`sick: so prelink is hopeless? |
| 23:40.47 | kergoth`sick | not hopeless |
| 23:40.52 | TheMasterMind1 | for now anyway |
| 23:40.54 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: /dev/sda1/flashvfatnoauto,user,fat=12 00 |
| 23:40.54 | kergoth`sick | probably |
| 23:40.56 | kergoth`sick | doing a final test |
| 23:40.57 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: is that right? |
| 23:41.02 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: should be |
| 23:41.03 | treke | kergoth`sick: it didnt work? darn |
| 23:41.06 | TheMasterMind1 | why fat12? |
| 23:41.12 | kergoth`sick | treke: sandman reports it corrupted his libqte |
| 23:41.13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`sick: fix opie-alarm and stuff :) |
| 23:41.16 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: that's what the card is :( |
| 23:41.21 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: i see |
| 23:41.24 | kergoth`sick | treke: and hwen it ran against my libc, it fucked it. every binary segfaults now :) |
| 23:41.27 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: fdisk /dev/sda doesn't work |
| 23:41.32 | johnmcl7 | How easy is it to get apps onto the Zaurus from a Windows PC? |
| 23:41.33 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: how can I reformat it? |
| 23:41.38 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: why doesn't it work? |
| 23:41.42 | kergoth`sick | sheenmaster: uh, fdisk is lower level than 'formatting' |
| 23:41.48 | kergoth`sick | sheenmaster: fdisk is to create a partition table |
| 23:42.01 | sheenmaster | kergoth`sick: then what should I use? |
| 23:42.11 | kergoth`sick | treke: doing a final test, but if this fails it may very well be b0rked for now |
| 23:42.35 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: mkfs.vfat -F16 /dev/sda1 |
| 23:42.38 | TheMasterMind1 | make sure its not mounted |
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| 23:43.04 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: would ext2/3 be a better choice? |
| 23:43.13 | TheMasterMind1 | not for CF |
| 23:43.13 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: winshit/camera support isn't needed |
| 23:43.21 | TheMasterMind1 | you can't flash with a non fat16 cf |
| 23:43.23 | kergoth`sick | sheenmaster: depends on whether you'll need that card to flash |
| 23:43.36 | treke | kergoth`sick: darn. |
| 23:43.40 | sheenmaster | kergoth`sick: I will |
| 23:43.55 | treke | kergoth`sick: perhaps a gcc295 problem? |
| 23:43.59 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: you're the opie mail guy? |
| 23:44.10 | treke | TheMasterMind1: no |
| 23:44.32 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:45.05 | kergoth`sick | treke: i built this entire rom with 3 |
| 23:45.14 | kergoth`sick | treke: sandman's working with 2.95 |
| 23:45.20 | treke | hash: damn |
| 23:45.26 | treke | kergoth`sick: damn |
| 23:45.33 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: do I need a terminal to run the script? |
| 23:45.45 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: you might.. |
| 23:45.47 | treke | Sugar, make kergoth`sick a long island |
| 23:45.49 | TheMasterMind1 | probably yea |
| 23:45.50 | kergoth`sick | hehe |
| 23:45.54 | kergoth`sick | treke: time to email jakub i think |
| 23:45.57 | treke | maybe that will help |
| 23:46.18 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: there damn well better be one in OZ..... |
| 23:46.20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`sick: remember that jffs2 from .19 you ported to .7, can't we port that to .6 for now? |
| 23:46.28 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: a terminal? |
| 23:46.36 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: heh |
| 23:46.38 | TheMasterMind1 | there is. |
| 23:46.39 | kergoth`sick | TheMasterMind1: with a lot of work, yes |
| 23:46.45 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`sick: damn |
| 23:46.49 | kergoth`sick | TheMasterMind1: easier just to port forward the irda stuff in 2.4.6 to 2.4.7 |
| 23:46.50 | TheMasterMind1 | screw it then |
| 23:46.56 | kergoth`sick | TheMasterMind1: irda was the only thing that didnt work |
| 23:47.00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:47.11 | TheMasterMind1 | was other stuff in .7 buggy etc? |
| 23:47.12 | kergoth`sick | but i hate to spend time on 2.4.7 when we should be working on 2.4.20 |
| 23:47.16 | kergoth`sick | other stuff? |
| 23:47.18 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:47.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i agree |
| 23:47.22 | kergoth`sick | everything worked the same way it did in 6 |
| 23:47.24 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:47.30 | kergoth`sick | didnt lose anything but irda |
| 23:47.37 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: k, it's installing operacreator |
| 23:47.57 | kergoth`sick | so 1) port forward irda to 2.4.7, 2) backport jffs2 from 2.4.18 to 2.4.6, or 3) give up and work on 2.4.20 |
| 23:47.59 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: all it really does is create an opera ipk in your documents section |
| 23:48.10 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`sick: working on .20 sounds good |
| 23:48.28 | kergoth`sick | so lets get 3.1rc1 out |
| 23:48.28 | TheMasterMind1 | any news on unionfs lately? |
| 23:48.33 | kergoth`sick | not a damn thing |
| 23:48.38 | kergoth`sick | al viro said it was on hold last i heard |
| 23:48.42 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 23:48.45 | treke | actually... |
| 23:48.48 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 23:48.56 | treke | I just heard something recently about a possible working unionfs |
| 23:49.01 | kergoth`sick | really? |
| 23:49.03 | TheMasterMind1 | where? |
| 23:49.04 | treke | yeah |
| 23:49.06 | kergoth`sick | last i heard was a couple weeks ago |
| 23:49.10 | kergoth`sick | from al, on #kernelnewbies |
| 23:49.12 | kergoth`sick | but i'm not on LKML anymore |
| 23:49.14 | kergoth`sick | so i'm behind |
| 23:49.20 | treke | kergoth`sick: slacke |
| 23:49.22 | treke | kergoth`sick: slacker |
| 23:49.26 | kergoth`sick | damn right |
| 23:49.28 | kergoth`sick | :) |
| 23:49.37 | h2o|gogo | me is off to bed |
| 23:49.41 | h2o|gogo | nite! |
| 23:49.56 | treke | http://translucency.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:50.44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:50.48 | TheMasterMind1 | i was just looking at that |
| 23:51.04 | TheMasterMind1 | it says only two though, and it seems like it writes to only one of the two |
| 23:51.11 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: I have the file on internal storage. |
| 23:51.20 | sheenmaster | but I keep getting 'moving document failed' errors |
| 23:51.27 | sheenmaster | when trying to move it to the cf card |
| 23:51.50 | kergoth`sick | uhm |
| 23:51.52 | kergoth`sick | wtf |
| 23:52.03 | treke | TheMasterMind1: oh well |
| 23:52.06 | kergoth`sick | prelink: /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqpe.so.1.5.0: R_ARM_PC24 overflow |
| 23:52.08 | kergoth`sick | wtf does that mean? |
| 23:52.20 | kergoth`sick | it prelinked qte fine.. |
| 23:52.43 | kergoth`sick | opie started! |
| 23:52.49 | treke | kergoth`sick: You have linked in a library that isn't compiled with -fPIC. |
| 23:52.51 | kergoth`sick | okay so it didnt die |
| 23:52.56 | kergoth`sick | treke: hmm |
| 23:53.11 | treke | according to the debian-arm list |
| 23:53.30 | kergoth`sick | treke: which one? qpe? or something it dpends on? |
| 23:53.42 | treke | beats the fuck out of me |
| 23:53.45 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: I think it's that 128mb card problem in the older roms. |
| 23:53.51 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: I'll try usb networking. |
| 23:53.55 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: might be |
| 23:53.56 | kergoth`sick | hmm |
| 23:54.15 | kergoth`sick | well |
| 23:54.17 | kergoth`sick | libqpe was built with -fPIC |
| 23:54.22 | TheMasterMind1 | time to rebuild some libs |
| 23:54.22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:54.29 | kergoth`sick | this is going to take a while |
| 23:54.33 | kergoth`sick | eveyrthing else prelinked fine |
| 23:54.35 | kergoth`sick | so i dont get it |
| 23:54.37 | kergoth`sick | libqte did |
| 23:54.42 | kergoth`sick | grr |
| 23:54.57 | TheMasterMind1 | how long it did take |
| 23:55.02 | TheMasterMind1 | for the other stuff |
| 23:55.06 | treke | kergoth`sick: maybe libjpeg? |
| 23:57.45 | kergoth`sick | treke: everything worked but qpe on the prelink |
| 23:57.47 | kergoth`sick | oh shit |
| 23:57.54 | kergoth`sick | i dont think our qt/e built with -fPIC |
| 23:58.04 | TheMasterMind1 | fix it |
| 23:58.24 | kergoth`sick | i am |
| 23:58.27 | kergoth`sick | problem is |
| 23:58.33 | kergoth`sick | qt build adds fPIC to its CFLAGS |
| 23:58.39 | kergoth`sick | but we're overriding CFLAGS with our shit |
| 23:58.42 | kergoth`sick | to add our optimizations |
| 23:58.43 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: is there a /etc/network/interfaces example? |
| 23:58.45 | kergoth`sick | so it gets lost |
| 23:58.57 | kergoth`sick | i'm adding it into our main CFLAGS var we pass into the qt/e build and trying again |
| 23:58.59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`sick: hmmk so add it to the thing we're overriding with |
| 23:59.01 | kergoth`sick | this is going to take a lot of testing |
| 23:59.03 | kergoth`sick | TheMasterMind1: right |
| 23:59.13 | TheMasterMind1 | sheenmaster: eh? why? |
| 23:59.39 | TheMasterMind1 | i still can't figure out why my ram refuses to mount |
| 23:59.41 | TheMasterMind1 | so confusing.. |
| 23:59.54 | sheenmaster | TheMasterMind1: I am gonna network through usb and ftp the file over. |
