| 00:00.12 | treke | sandman_: really cool |
| 00:00.21 | edgar | i need to compile libpng for the zaurus - how can i go about making a Makefile which will work with the cross compiler? |
| 00:00.22 | NeoTron | tux_mike: I've watch svcd, which is generally crappy (bad encoding, only 320x240) that has bypassed the quality of some of our TV channels... |
| 00:00.22 | treke | er weird |
| 00:00.27 | NeoTron | cable tv channels mind you |
| 00:00.32 | mutexer | NeoTron: if I remember correctly your the game maker... how do you build your maps for your games? did you create an editor or some other way? |
| 00:00.37 | NeoTron | now they have redone wiring here so channels are better byt still |
| 00:00.41 | tux_mike | anyway, i haven't seen a near DVD quality DivX. I can spot the artifacts, interlacing problems, etc. |
| 00:00.55 | NeoTron | mutexer: actually I have yet to MAKE a game that requires editors (Eligo is my only original title so far) |
| 00:01.03 | NeoTron | however the people I port game for use editors |
| 00:01.07 | tux_mike | neo: answer to that. cable sucks big balls. get satellite :) |
| 00:01.21 | veritas | you could rent a dvd and make a dvd quality divx. |
| 00:01.21 | mutexer | NeoTron: oh so you dont make any of the maps? |
| 00:01.26 | NeoTron | sometiems in-game (Bust'em for example), sometimes external apps, sometimes relatively simple data files |
| 00:01.27 | NeoTron | varies |
| 00:01.29 | veritas | it just wouldn't fit on a cd. |
| 00:01.33 | NeoTron | mutexer: right |
| 00:01.37 | mutexer | ahh |
| 00:01.45 | NeoTron | tux_mike: might later, for HDTV... :P |
| 00:01.54 | sandman_ | treke: the preloading patch for the font sizes works too ;) |
| 00:01.55 | mutexer | Ive seen the games you ported on winCE>. was wondering if you did those or ported to Zaurus |
| 00:01.56 | treke | veritas: by the time you get a full dvd quality divx you might as well just leave it as an mpeg2 stream :) |
| 00:02.07 | NeoTron | but never the less, divx is pretty good, and watching it on TV is awesome |
| 00:02.22 | veritas | that was my thought. the guy was just blabbering about dvd quality divx. |
| 00:02.42 | NeoTron | treke: I made a divx from a DVD once and it used about 1.4 GB |
| 00:02.53 | NeoTron | definitely less than what the DVD was... |
| 00:02.58 | veritas | was it is good quality? |
| 00:02.59 | NeoTron | quality was GOOD |
| 00:03.07 | NeoTron | full resolution etc |
| 00:03.09 | veritas | was good or was dvd? |
| 00:03.19 | veritas | did you notice the difference? |
| 00:04.26 | NeoTron | aha, qcast uses a java server on the pc |
| 00:04.30 | NeoTron | which is why it works on Linux etc |
| 00:04.50 | NeoTron | veritas: No difference noticed but I shjould add that the DVD was anime and not perfect quality to begin with |
| 00:04.56 | NeoTron | but I do think that I wouldn't notice the difference |
| 00:05.13 | NeoTron | even at 750-800 MB a divx rip has EXCELLENT quality |
| 00:05.43 | NeoTron | heck, even svcd (mpeg2 at 480x480) is very good |
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| 00:05.56 | NeoTron | often, for normal people, impossible to differentiate from dvd |
| 00:06.14 | NeoTron | that said, dvd's also have artifacts at times |
| 00:06.36 | treke | sometimes nasty ones |
| 00:09.20 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 00:09.29 | NeoTron | often due to inadequate encoding or too low bitrate |
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| 00:11.25 | treke | probably depends in part on what's being encoded |
| 00:14.32 | TheMasterMind1 | who has the sharp rom!? |
| 00:14.35 | TheMasterMind1 | quick! |
| 00:14.41 | TheMasterMind1 | who who who |
| 00:16.09 | NeoTron | treke: that too |
| 00:16.43 | Cloudchaser | i have sharp rom |
| 00:17.41 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser can you send me files in /usr/share/operabuttons/ |
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| 00:45.33 | ElzWhere | Hellow everyone |
| 00:45.41 | ElzWhere | Hello* |
| 00:47.07 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 00:48.17 | ElzWhere | anyone got Zwinconnect ? |
| 00:48.58 | Cloudchaser | not me |
| 00:50.04 | ElzWhere | i just got crow/flinders rom using OZ3 its pretty nice |
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| 00:52.51 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: HancomWord works now on my iPAQ, too .. even without display errors in Liquid style |
| 00:53.49 | treke | sandman_: cool |
| 00:55.35 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: how? how? how? |
| 00:56.40 | TheMasterMind1 | same libjpeg thing? |
| 00:56.44 | TheMasterMind1 | or did you change something else too |
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| 00:59.30 | Com[Plex] | grumble../ |
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| 00:59.47 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 00:59.59 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: hey! wanna fix up the other creators for us? |
| 01:00.11 | TheMasterMind1 | please :) |
| 01:00.19 | Com[Plex] | sure.. lol |
| 01:00.25 | Com[Plex] | I JUST finished this thing. |
| 01:00.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, for the opera one |
| 01:00.37 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: two additions to the preload lib |
| 01:00.57 | TheMasterMind1 | we need /usr/share/opera/buttons and plugins and help maybe? and .. hell all of it |
| 01:01.14 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: basically, /usr/share/opera needs to be in the creator, and also, /usr/share/operabuttons has to be symlink to /usr/share/opera/buttons |
| 01:01.22 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: You could take the original ipks from the CD :) |
| 01:01.22 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: ah, so i gotta rebuild from cvs again. |
| 01:01.22 | TheMasterMind1 | joy |
| 01:01.30 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: could.. :) |
| 01:01.37 | TheMasterMind1 | opera's on the cd too? |
| 01:01.38 | sandman_ | That's how I installed it on the iPAQ |
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| 01:01.47 | sandman_ | let me check |
| 01:01.53 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: ! |
| 01:01.56 | Com[Plex] | uh. sure.. |
| 01:01.58 | noda | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 01:02.09 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: and for hancom just do qpe-base depends and script cleanup. like the postinst for hancom fails |
| 01:02.10 | Com[Plex] | well. I have company now. I would really rather work on this. but im getting hungry. |
| 01:02.16 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: opera works on OZ. so does hancom |
| 01:02.24 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: np, whenver you have time |
| 01:02.37 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 01:02.40 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: nope .. no opera :( |
| 01:02.41 | Com[Plex] | will do when I get back |
| 01:02.42 | noda | Ah. That's nice... |
| 01:02.46 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: darn, oh well. |
| 01:02.52 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: VERY |
| 01:02.54 | TheMasterMind1 | thank sandman_ |
| 01:03.06 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: yea but all those sharp rom fans will be willing to switch now |
| 01:03.14 | TheMasterMind1 | just need to fix a few more issues and we're set |
| 01:03.19 | noda | TheMasterMind1: True. How easy is it to make the ipks? |
| 01:03.24 | TheMasterMind1 | oz will officially be better in everyway than sharp |
| 01:03.30 | noda | lol, Jeode? |
| 01:03.32 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: Com[Plex] is going to fix the creator scripts |
| 01:03.35 | noda | Ah. |
| 01:03.42 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: jeode's been working for weeks now |
| 01:03.45 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks to Com[Plex]'s fixing up |
| 01:03.46 | noda | Oh, heh |
| 01:04.00 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Not better in every way - no support. |
| 01:04.00 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 01:04.05 | TheMasterMind1 | hancom word started sandman_ |
| 01:04.17 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 01:04.24 | TheMasterMind1 | it crashed when i opened this file |
| 01:04.25 | TheMasterMind1 | bus error |
| 01:04.26 | TheMasterMind1 | ew. |
| 01:04.30 | noda | Hrm, speaking of better in every way... I asked someone to mail me all the ways OZ is worse than Sharp and never got an email about it... bleh. |
| 01:04.54 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: i can open files.. when i go to new document though it bus errors, this fixed in cvs? |
| 01:05.00 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: heh |
| 01:05.04 | noda | Okay, okay, okay... here we go. Gnumeric, do NOT segfault on me! |
| 01:05.09 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:05.12 | TheMasterMind1 | gnumeric is nice |
| 01:05.19 | TheMasterMind1 | cept for the lack of graphing stuff |
| 01:05.24 | noda | I REALLY need to open this spreadsheet, and kspread's importer is useless. |
| 01:05.33 | TheMasterMind1 | dude! i'm running hancom word! |
| 01:05.37 | TheMasterMind1 | DUDE! |
| 01:05.44 | bill2or3 | wtf wont this pos work |
| 01:05.54 | noda | w00t! |
| 01:05.55 | bill2or3 | do I want 'ad-hoc' or 'infrastructure' mode? |
| 01:06.02 | TheMasterMind1 | depends on your setup |
| 01:06.05 | TheMasterMind1 | do you have an AP |
| 01:06.05 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 01:06.08 | bill2or3 | yea |
| 01:06.10 | noda | bill2or3: If you have an access point, choose infrastructure |
| 01:06.31 | bill2or3 | this is screwy, it was working yesterday, but I re-config'd it for the AP at work. |
| 01:06.37 | bill2or3 | now it wont work.. |
| 01:06.43 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: commited to CVS .. you just need to rebuild core/launcher/libpreload |
| 01:06.49 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: and it will work? |
| 01:06.57 | TheMasterMind1 | no bus error? |
| 01:07.01 | sandman_ | it should :) |
| 01:07.06 | TheMasterMind1 | you are a fucking god |
| 01:07.11 | TheMasterMind1 | sweeeeeeeet |
| 01:07.27 | sandman_ | But please test it .. if have no OZ installed currently |
| 01:07.52 | TheMasterMind1 | i will |
| 01:07.58 | TheMasterMind1 | don't feel like rebuilding opie.. |
| 01:07.59 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh. |
| 01:08.08 | TheMasterMind1 | just libpreload is good though |
| 01:08.11 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll cvs up that part of it |
| 01:11.16 | noda | Wow, gnumeric gets better and better all the time :) |
| 01:11.57 | treke | never gets good enough to run on the z though |
| 01:12.07 | noda | "shared views"... two windows open on the same file. Nice. |
| 01:12.23 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: libpreload is in opie-taskbar? |
| 01:12.30 | sandman_ | yes |
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| 01:17.59 | sdf | hi all |
| 01:18.03 | TheMasterMind1 | hi. |
| 01:18.14 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: how can i check if the ldpreload that got installed is the new one |
| 01:18.17 | sdf | I have a question about upgrading the ROM on my SL5000D |
| 01:18.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not sure it updated the ipk |
| 01:18.22 | TheMasterMind1 | sdf: ask |
| 01:18.34 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: you have to restart Opie |
| 01:18.39 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:18.43 | sandman_ | s/restart/terminate/ |
| 01:18.52 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 01:18.55 | TheMasterMind1 | why |
| 01:18.55 | sandman_ | restart doesn't work |
| 01:19.00 | TheMasterMind1 | ok. |
| 01:19.06 | sandman_ | because the old lib is locked by qpe |
| 01:19.15 | sdf | ok...I have a CF card and writer...and it says that the CF card must be mounted as vfat...but the HOWTO for upgrading the ROM says the CF card must be formatted as FAT16 |
| 01:19.15 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:19.20 | sandman_ | as long as this process doesn't end, it isn't using the new one |
| 01:19.27 | sdf | will VFAT be ok to use, and if not, how can I format the card? |
| 01:19.28 | Cloudchaser | sandman, with your themes app on handango...can you add backgrounds on the sharp rom? |
| 01:19.42 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: damn, no go |
| 01:19.52 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: you are not the first to ask that .. |
| 01:19.54 | sandman_ | ;) |
| 01:20.04 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm still not sure this is the new preload |
| 01:20.11 | TheMasterMind1 | it might nothave packaged the new one |
| 01:20.14 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: ipkg remove ; ipkg install |
| 01:20.25 | TheMasterMind1 | wont' that break? |
| 01:20.34 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess not |
| 01:20.35 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: readelf -s libpreload.so | grep polish |
| 01:20.43 | Cloudchaser | sandman_: what was the answer? :) |
| 01:20.51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, don't have readelf either |
| 01:20.53 | TheMasterMind1 | *sigh* |
| 01:21.01 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: I could try it, but chances that it works are *very* low |
| 01:21.09 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: on the desktop |
| 01:21.21 | Cloudchaser | ah so that functionality isn't in it currently? |
| 01:21.22 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:21.38 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: I don't have the Lineo sources of the launcher and lineo changed quite a bit in the launcher ... |
| 01:21.52 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 01:21.58 | Cloudchaser | ok thank you :) |
| 01:22.09 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: I could try to patch it in, based on the Qtopia 1.5 sources |
| 01:22.12 | Cloudchaser | was looking at it to buy it |
| 01:23.10 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: 43: 00000c98 288 FUNC GLOBAL DEFAULT 11 polish__12QApplicationP7QWidget |
| 01:23.10 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.57 | TheMasterMind1 | its still buserror with that upgrade |
| 01:24.36 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: should be the right version .. |
| 01:24.51 | sdf | can I upgrade my stock SL5000D straight upto ROM 1.38? |
| 01:25.00 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: could you mail me the binary you are using |
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| 01:25.15 | sdf | anyone? |
| 01:26.54 | sdf | ping |
| 01:27.10 | Com[Plex] | well./. |
| 01:27.26 | Com[Plex] | anyoen who wants it. http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeodcreator_2.0_arm.ipk I think its ready, but I have not tested it out yet. |
| 01:27.30 | Com[Plex] | I will when I get home |
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| 01:31.10 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: mail or dcc? |
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| 01:32.16 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: mail .. my firewall doesn't like DCC ;) |
| 01:33.29 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: email addr? |
| 01:34.41 | sandman_ | ibot sandman |
| 01:34.41 | | from memory, sandman is the author of the QPdf PDF viewer or available at mailto:sandman@handhelds.org or doing busybox hacks, or the OPIE programming god |
| 01:37.05 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: I just looked around a bit and I think it backgrounds in the launcher can be done (very low-level though, but possible) |
| 01:37.17 | Cloudchaser | :) neat thank you! |
| 01:37.28 | Cloudchaser | what do you mean by low level? |
| 01:38.02 | ljp | pre level |
| 01:38.10 | sandman_ | ljp: hehe |
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| 01:38.32 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: sent |
| 01:38.34 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: just repainting every QIconView that happens to exist in a app called "qpe" |
| 01:38.44 | ljp | preload the sharp rom bugs away, sandman :D |
| 01:39.08 | sandman_ | ljp: maybe I should preload a complete OZ libqpe :) |
| 01:39.29 | ljp | ha!.. thats funny |
| 01:39.41 | ljp | opie for sharp rom |
| 01:41.37 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: tell me if^H^Hwhen you get this fixed :) |
| 01:42.41 | ljp | found a bug? dont tell sharp! tell sandman! |
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| 01:43.35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:43.41 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: No Bus error here .. even *without* libpreload |
| 01:44.08 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: when you do a new document? |
| 01:44.15 | TheMasterMind1 | you're on an ipaq or what? |
| 01:44.48 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: new or open .. both work (iPAQ 3870) |
| 01:45.25 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: do you have catchsegv for the Z ? |
| 01:45.37 | ljp | TheMasterMind1: I think you should give up your nick to sandman :) |
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| 01:46.20 | jbardin | is there an emulator for the z itself? |
| 01:46.35 | sandman_ | ljp: Nah .. sandman is nice (I used this nick the first time i dialed into a BBS ;) |
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| 01:46.59 | sandman_ | ljp: Been getting somewhat used to it since then ... |
| 01:47.04 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: nope, does that work with bus errors too? |
| 01:47.22 | ljp | I'm jokin, antway |
| 01:47.28 | ljp | anyway even |
| 01:47.47 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: I don't know for sure .. try it |
| 01:48.13 | sandman_ | CLoudchaser wants custom bg .. so I can't reflash ATM ;) |
| 01:48.44 | TheMasterMind1 | nope, it doesn't |
| 01:48.55 | sandman_ | strace ? |
| 01:49.05 | TheMasterMind1 | strate slows it down a shitload |
| 01:49.10 | TheMasterMind1 | and by the time it gets to the right place |
| 01:49.15 | TheMasterMind1 | the output is all gibberish |
| 01:49.19 | TheMasterMind1 | because of binary output earlier |
| 01:49.36 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: You haven't tried LD_DEBUG=all ... that's *slow* |
| 01:49.42 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:49.44 | jbardin | ibot emulator |
| 01:49.44 | | i haven't a clue, jbardin |
| 01:49.50 | jbardin | ibot zaurus |
| 01:49.50 | | well, zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of ibot's hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 01:49.55 | jbardin | ibot zaurus emulator |
| 01:49.56 | | jbardin: no idea |
| 01:50.13 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: strace -o /tmp/file |
| 01:50.40 | sandman_ | this way your console stays sane |
| 01:52.45 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:52.54 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:53.01 | TheMasterMind1 | umovestr: i/o error |
| 01:53.04 | TheMasterMind1 | lots of those |
| 01:53.26 | TheMasterMind1 | ok i have it |
| 01:53.47 | sandman_ | umovestr is harmless |
| 01:54.07 | TheMasterMind1 | http://tjhsst.edu/~agupta/hancom.txt |
| 01:55.03 | TheMasterMind1 | don't think its very helpful |
| 01:56.11 | ljp | ouch my kitty has sharp hands |
| 01:56.27 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: how did you start it ? |
| 01:57.09 | TheMasterMind1 | strace -o file HancomMobileWord |
| 01:57.12 | TheMasterMind1 | over ssh |
| 01:57.38 | TheMasterMind1 | it dies on me if i click on its icon and do new documente also |
| 01:57.41 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: try: "LD_PRELOAD=/opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libpreload.so HancomMobileWord" |
| 01:57.50 | sandman_ | or you won't get any preload stuff |
| 01:58.06 | TheMasterMind1 | oh ok |
| 01:58.13 | TheMasterMind1 | eh, its segfaulting |
| 01:58.22 | TheMasterMind1 | QDir::readDirEntries: Cannot read the directory: /mnt/ram/Documents |
| 01:58.22 | TheMasterMind1 | Segmentation fault |
| 01:58.22 | TheMasterMind1 | QDir::readDirEntries: Cannot read the directory: /mnt/ram/Documents |
| 01:58.22 | TheMasterMind1 | Segmentation fault |
| 01:58.22 | TheMasterMind1 | QDir::readDirEntries: Cannot read the directory: /mnt/ram/Documents |
| 01:58.22 | TheMasterMind1 | Segmentation fault |
| 01:58.24 | TheMasterMind1 | weird. |
| 01:58.31 | TheMasterMind1 | and still bus errored |
| 01:58.45 | sandman_ | Hmm .. try catchsegv now |
| 01:59.15 | sandman_ | you could do an "export LD_PRELOAD=...", so don't have to add it everytime |
| 01:59.36 | TheMasterMind1 | its not catching them.. |
| 02:01.16 | TheMasterMind1 | strace again? |
| 02:01.30 | sandman_ | why not |
| 02:02.17 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa wtf |
| 02:02.19 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:02.24 | TheMasterMind1 | everything segfaults |
| 02:02.25 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:02.28 | TheMasterMind1 | ls segfaults too |
| 02:02.31 | TheMasterMind1 | cuz of that ld preload |
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| 02:02.46 | TheMasterMind1 | half of those segfaults i pasted where catchsegv segfaulting |
| 02:02.46 | sandman_ | hehe |
| 02:03.11 | sandman_ | Another thing: cd to the directory wherer the HancomWord binay is located first |
| 02:03.19 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:03.27 | sandman_ | I just check for argv[0]=="HancomMobileWord" |
| 02:03.39 | sandman_ | and not for "foo/bar/Hancom..." |
| 02:04.49 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe its because its installed on ram and symlinked back to / ? |
| 02:05.28 | sandman_ | I have your binary in /tmp |
| 02:05.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:05.44 | TheMasterMind1 | look at hancom2.txt |
| 02:05.46 | sandman_ | Just be sure to cd /tmp |
| 02:05.46 | TheMasterMind1 | that's the segfault one |
| 02:06.05 | TheMasterMind1 | # ls |
| 02:06.05 | TheMasterMind1 | HancomMobileWord opera word.rc |
| 02:06.05 | TheMasterMind1 | # LD_PRELOAD=/opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libpreload.so ./HancomMobileWord |
| 02:06.54 | sandman_ | try without the ./ |
| 02:06.57 | TheMasterMind1 | i di |
| 02:06.58 | TheMasterMind1 | d |
| 02:07.04 | TheMasterMind1 | same thing |
| 02:07.09 | TheMasterMind1 | i can open an existing file just fine |
| 02:07.17 | TheMasterMind1 | after opening too, if i go to file, new it dies again |
| 02:07.51 | sandman_ | hmm that's really weird .. you are running libqpe from CVS and a 2.3.4 qte ? |
| 02:08.12 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: which style/font are you using ? |
| 02:08.29 | TheMasterMind1 | helvetica 10 / flat |
| 02:08.39 | TheMasterMind1 | actually helvetica 8 |
| 02:09.52 | TheMasterMind1 | WHOA! |
| 02:09.54 | TheMasterMind1 | it works |
| 02:09.54 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 02:09.57 | TheMasterMind1 | i went to appearance |
| 02:10.08 | TheMasterMind1 | and added that binary name to the list of things not to apply apperance to |
| 02:10.23 | sandman_ | that's cheating ;) |
| 02:10.26 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, now new document worked |
| 02:10.30 | TheMasterMind1 | and existing file doesn't |
| 02:10.31 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 02:11.04 | sandman_ | It works here with helvetica 8 / flat |
| 02:11.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't get it.. |
| 02:11.35 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:11.43 | TheMasterMind1 | did something else in opie change too? |
| 02:13.00 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid bus error. grr |
| 02:13.18 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: are you using bash or busybox ash ? |
| 02:13.55 | ljp | nothing ever changes in opie |
| 02:14.10 | sandman_ | I just found out that catchsegv doesn't forward LD_PRELOAD to the app .. the code is there, but bb ash fails execute it correctly |
| 02:14.50 | ljp | thats no suprise |
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| 02:15.18 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: busybox ash |
| 02:15.38 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme run bash |
| 02:15.57 | sandman_ | export LD_PRELOAD=libpreload.so leads to everything segfaulting ? |
| 02:16.45 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: yep |
| 02:17.28 | sandman_ | works here on familiar |
| 02:17.56 | TheMasterMind1 | # /mnt/ram/ldd /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libpreload.so |
| 02:17.56 | TheMasterMind1 | Segmentation fault |
| 02:18.01 | TheMasterMind1 | /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libpreload.so: |
| 02:18.02 | TheMasterMind1 | Segmentation fault |
| 02:18.07 | TheMasterMind1 | ldd: $error: you do not have read permission for `/opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libpreload.so' |
| 02:18.08 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf? |
| 02:19.17 | sandman_ | don't tell that you do not have read perm on the lib ... |
| 02:19.25 | TheMasterMind1 | hm wait a second |
| 02:19.34 | TheMasterMind1 | i started console |
| 02:19.38 | TheMasterMind1 | and it gave a bunch of segfaults |
| 02:19.39 | TheMasterMind1 | why? |
| 02:19.45 | TheMasterMind1 | the export is only in my ssh no? |
| 02:20.01 | sandman_ | The launcher is exporting it for every app it starts |
| 02:20.49 | TheMasterMind1 | okk |
| 02:20.57 | TheMasterMind1 | it keeps segfaulting everything |
| 02:21.20 | sandman_ | make a new ssh connection |
| 02:21.26 | TheMasterMind1 | i took off the preload |
| 02:21.28 | TheMasterMind1 | its fine now |
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| 02:21.53 | LordDavon | Hello everyone |
| 02:22.19 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: So what does ls -l libpreload.so* say ? |
| 02:22.32 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: it seems fine to me. good permissions and all |
| 02:23.02 | sandman_ | Hmm -- I'll mail you my libpreload binary .. maybe that helps |
| 02:23.06 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:23.10 | TheMasterMind1 | preload lib you mean? |
| 02:23.16 | sandman_ | ibot TheMasterMind1 |
| 02:23.17 | | somebody said themastermind1 was a 16 year old OZ Developer and can be reached at oz@themastermind1.net |
| 02:23.28 | sandman_ | yep .. this email correct ? |
| 02:23.32 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 02:24.37 | sandman_ | mail is sent |
| 02:24.46 | LordDavon | Or use. TheMasterMind@likesporn.net |
| 02:24.48 | LordDavon | heh |
| 02:24.49 | LordDavon | ;) |
| 02:25.14 | DaWorm | go oz 3.1! |
| 02:25.15 | DaWorm | go oz 3.1! |
| 02:25.23 | DaWorm | hehe |
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| 02:26.21 | LordDavon | kergoth awake? |
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| 02:27.38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth died |
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| 02:29.00 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: your .so is bigger.. |
| 02:29.34 | TheMasterMind1 | still segfaults though |
| 02:29.35 | TheMasterMind1 | and still dies |
| 02:29.37 | ljp | thats what they all say |
| 02:30.02 | TheMasterMind1 | i say it best |
| 02:30.17 | Hellaenergy | whats up yall |
| 02:30.35 | Hellaenergy | there tryin to get rid of the 5500's huh. |
| 02:30.36 | ljp | I am going to rename my cat Lickey Licker |
| 02:30.52 | Hellaenergy | ljp: are you a cat? |
| 02:30.56 | ljp | no |
| 02:31.19 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: nope, no go. |
| 02:31.28 | Hellaenergy | roge99: you here? |
| 02:31.42 | ljp | and I had to just reboot my dev machine, cause I was messin' with X and goofed up |
| 02:31.58 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: which hancom ipk did you install? |
| 02:32.17 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe yours installed some files its searching for or some such |
| 02:32.21 | sandman_ | the one treke gave me |
| 02:32.32 | TheMasterMind1 | filename same as mine? |
| 02:32.48 | sandman_ | hancommobileword_1.3.6_arm.ipk |
| 02:32.53 | TheMasterMind1 | does the ipk i gave you work for you? |
| 02:33.01 | TheMasterMind1 | mine was 1.4.3 |
| 02:33.05 | sandman_ | Just tried the binary .. one moment |
| 02:33.13 | TheMasterMind1 | try removing ipk and installing mine |
| 02:33.17 | TheMasterMind1 | might be something different |
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| 02:35.20 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: where'd you get the hancom word that you gave to sandman_? |
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| 02:36.21 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: where'd you get the hancom word that you gave to sandman_? |
| 02:36.32 | treke|home | from hancomms website |
| 02:37.33 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: It works .. just started it from the launcher |
| 02:38.11 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: The question is: why does everything segfault with LD_PRELOAD=... |
| 02:38.19 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, good question that one is |
| 02:38.23 | sandman_ | It's something OZ specific |
| 02:38.34 | sandman_ | which glibc are you running |
| 02:38.36 | sandman_ | ? |
| 02:38.42 | TheMasterMind1 | err.. |
| 02:38.48 | sandman_ | ipkg status libc6 |
| 02:39.02 | TheMasterMind1 | Version: 2.2.4-7a |
| 02:39.25 | sandman_ | ahh .. I have 2.3.1 (even the OZ version ...) |
| 02:39.42 | TheMasterMind1 | that might do it |
| 02:40.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i think we were having problems with 2.3.1 |
| 02:40.09 | sandman_ | It's weird why it wouldn't run with the old (more compatible) lib, but instead with the new one ... |
| 02:40.11 | TheMasterMind1 | don't know what kergoths plans are with that.. |
| 02:41.05 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: which toolchain are you using to build Opie (and which is used to build OZ) ? |
| 02:41.55 | sandman_ | mixing tcs isn't such a great idea (we have this problem in familiar, too) |
| 02:42.07 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot xcompile |
| 02:42.07 | | i guess xcompile is see oz toolchain |
| 02:42.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz toolchain |
| 02:42.12 | | i guess oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 02:42.31 | TheMasterMind1 | the one on there. i forget where we got it from. its the E-something guy's toolchain from some site |
| 02:43.43 | sandman_ | and everything is compiled with this tc ? |
| 02:43.50 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 02:43.56 | TheMasterMind1 | afaik anyway |
| 02:43.59 | TheMasterMind1 | hm, lemme try something |
| 02:44.01 | sandman_ | kergoth is not using his gcc 3.2 to build the basic system |
| 02:44.02 | sandman_ | ? |
| 02:44.08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth's been having problems with his lib and buildroot |
| 02:44.13 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme upgrade to the libc i built |
| 02:44.40 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: since ipkg can't downgrade, I can't go back to glibc 2.2 ... |
| 02:45.21 | TheMasterMind1 | you could do it manually |
| 02:45.24 | TheMasterMind1 | no? |
| 02:45.42 | TheMasterMind1 | cd /; ar -xv glibc.ipk data.tar.gz; tar zxvf data.tar.gz |
| 02:46.17 | sandman_ | no -- I don't manually reinstall a libc, if don't *really* have to |
| 02:46.25 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:46.26 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:46.37 | LordDavon | ibot kergoth |
| 02:46.37 | | extra, extra, read all about it, kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 02:46.45 | sandman_ | I might try the 3660 -- this one still has a glibc 2.2 -- just the flash is 97% full |
| 02:48.39 | TheMasterMind1 | # touch /kjd |
| 02:48.39 | TheMasterMind1 | touch: /kjd: Input/output error |
| 02:48.41 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf did i do |
| 02:48.58 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:50.44 | sandman_ | n8 all .. need some sleep |
| 02:50.50 | Cloudchaser | nighters |
| 02:50.55 | Cloudchaser | sleep well :) |
| 02:50.58 | ljp | but.. your the sandman |
| 02:51.04 | TheMasterMind1 | lqter |
| 02:51.07 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks for the help |
| 02:51.35 | sandman|zzzZZZzz | ljp: even the sandman has to sleep (sometimes ..) |
| 02:51.40 | sandman|zzzZZZzz | cu |
| 02:51.59 | TheMasterMind1 | oh shit |
| 02:52.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i rebooted the Z |
| 02:52.08 | TheMasterMind1 | something bug errored |
| 02:52.12 | TheMasterMind1 | opie didn't start |
| 02:52.29 | TheMasterMind1 | i think kergoth broke something in unstable |
| 02:52.33 | TheMasterMind1 | everything's falling apart |
| 02:52.43 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing runs, sshd, syslogd, etc |
| 02:53.55 | ljp | hehehe hmmm |
| 02:54.07 | ljp | better get a' fixin' |
| 02:54.09 | TheMasterMind1 | so no opie and no ssh |
| 02:54.11 | TheMasterMind1 | time to reflash |
| 02:54.18 | DaWorm | uh oh |
| 02:54.28 | TheMasterMind1 | uhoh is right |
| 02:54.58 | ljp | ha! :) |
| 02:55.15 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, bye bye |
| 02:55.22 | TheMasterMind1 | oz3.1 is borke |
| 02:55.41 | DaWorm | and you fed the hype at zz! |
| 02:55.46 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 02:55.47 | ljp | hahaha |
| 02:55.57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, kergoth'll figure it out |
| 02:55.59 | TheMasterMind1 | or someone will |
| 02:56.00 | ljp | cant have too much hype, eh? |
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| 03:07.16 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: yo dont blame this shit on me till we nail this down ;) |
| 03:07.25 | kergoth`out | hehe |
| 03:07.33 | kergoth`out | its seriously fucked up. |
| 03:07.48 | DaWorm | its they hype he fed!!! |
| 03:07.48 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:07.50 | DaWorm | :) |
| 03:08.39 | chouimat | kergoth: calm down |
| 03:08.54 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
| 03:09.10 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1 could hack in a preload script as his penance |
| 03:09.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:10.20 | chouimat | no better I need to find a buildsystem bug, since hd crashed two weeks ago the systems don't work anymore ..... maybe TheMasterMind1 can find it for me |
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| 03:22.16 | LordDavon | kergoth: check your mail. |
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| 03:33.55 | anurkhet | anyone know when OZ 3.1 is due out? |
| 03:34.08 | DaWorm | ask kergoth |
| 03:34.22 | kergoth | a while |
| 03:34.25 | kergoth | something is very very b0rked |
| 03:34.45 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 03:34.49 | DaWorm | very very |
| 03:34.58 | anurkhet | not to get gushy, but OZ kicks ass |
| 03:35.09 | DaWorm | it does |
| 03:35.16 | anurkhet | kergoth: what happened? |
| 03:35.25 | kergoth | anurkhet: no idea |
| 03:35.27 | ljp | not today it doesnt |
| 03:35.30 | kergoth | anurkhet: if we knew, it'd be fixed :) |
| 03:35.33 | anurkhet | haha |
| 03:35.40 | kergoth | anurkhet: the behavior is, certain processes fail to fork. |
| 03:35.45 | kergoth | anurkhet: random bus errors and segfaults |
| 03:35.48 | kergoth | anurkhet: Bad Things. |
| 03:35.56 | anurkhet | nasty |
| 03:35.58 | br33zy | LordDavon: hi |
| 03:35.58 | DaWorm | very very Bad Things (TM) |
| 03:36.00 | kergoth | indeed |
| 03:36.05 | br33zy | LordDavon: :) |
| 03:36.25 | dep | random bus errors and segfaults...sounds like ye old bad pointer |
| 03:36.49 | kergoth | dep: sounds like a badly hosed library :) |
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| 03:40.59 | anurkhet | why's that? |
| 03:41.10 | whytenoiz | LOL... |
| 03:41.35 | whytenoiz | default gw won't pick up when it's dropped into the cradle. |
| 03:41.49 | kergoth | sounds like a configuration/user problem |
| 03:41.53 | kergoth | :P |
| 03:41.57 | whytenoiz | I ain't all that bright, but I thought I could at least figure this out. |
| 03:41.58 | whytenoiz | HAH |
| 03:42.08 | kergoth | but i'm in tech support |
| 03:42.11 | kergoth | its almost always a user problem |
| 03:42.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:42.13 | anurkhet | lol |
| 03:42.17 | whytenoiz | you remind me of my sr admin. |
| 03:42.36 | whytenoiz | no doubt a ID10t error |
| 03:42.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:42.48 | kergoth | PEBKAC |
| 03:43.15 | whytenoiz | ha |
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| 03:43.39 | kergoth | the problem -always- exists between keyboard and chair |
| 03:43.40 | kergoth | heh! |
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| 03:43.54 | whytenoiz | THATS IT |
| 03:43.55 | kergoth | sandman|zzzZZZzz: man, what time is it over there? go back to bed ;) |
| 03:44.00 | whytenoiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.05 | kergoth | haha |
| 03:44.07 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 03:44.55 | ljp | sandman's just autojoining |
| 03:45.10 | kergoth | figured. just checking :) |
| 03:45.55 | FelixKat | I have an issue ... I try and install programs with aqpkg and they don't install, can anyone point me into the right direction? |
| 03:46.16 | kergoth | 'they dont install' doesnt say much |
| 03:47.24 | kendrick2 | dinner |
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| 03:47.54 | FelixKat | goes through "dealing with package and then ipkg -force-defaults -dest root -force- then finished |
| 03:48.14 | FelixKat | but they are never installed ... |
| 03:48.21 | kergoth | ..? |
| 03:48.27 | kergoth | are they listed in aqpkg as installed? |
| 03:48.42 | FelixKat | no |
| 03:49.45 | kergoth | dunno, never seen that |
| 03:49.48 | kergoth | works flawless here |
| 03:51.11 | treke|home | where the hell is my cf nic |
| 03:51.19 | kergoth | in the cf slot? |
| 03:51.21 | kergoth | nah, thatd be too easy |
| 03:51.27 | treke|home | they make this stuff too small |
| 03:51.53 | JoseJX | I have a question about flashing... what do I do if the Z just sits with the mail light and never turns off? It doesn't flash the rom, b/c when I reset it, it just boots back into the old sharp rom... |
| 03:52.08 | whytenoiz | why do apes have big nostrils? because they have big fingers. |
| 03:52.26 | kergoth | whytenoiz: hmm, maybe if i have another drink that'll seem profound |
| 03:52.35 | treke|home | kergoth: no. it wont |
| 03:52.41 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:52.43 | kergoth | well the |
| 03:52.44 | kergoth | n |
| 03:52.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:52.54 | treke|home | but you probably should have another anyway |
| 03:53.01 | anurkhet | JoseJX: you definitely have vfat file system on the card? |
| 03:53.06 | treke|home | doh. its right there on my desk :) |
| 03:53.27 | JoseJX | anurkhet: yeah, I tried it with a brand new card and one that was formatted fat16 |
| 03:54.14 | dep | reverted to busybox 0923 from oz stable feed...."reconfiging packages installed to root" so will know soon |
| 03:54.30 | kergoth | dep: thanks |
| 03:54.33 | kergoth | treke|home: hah |
| 03:54.51 | anurkhet | josejx: which ROM? |
| 03:55.46 | JoseJX | anurkhet: I tried OZ and a Sharp ROM image. I have a 5000D. Both roms show the same behaviour... |
| 03:56.21 | kergoth | JoseJX: check the md5sums of the files you'e attempting to flash |
| 03:56.31 | anurkhet | damn - here's a surprise: I'm clueless |
| 03:56.41 | dep | kergoth: any reason why system info shows sl5000 on an sl5500? |
| 03:57.01 | kergoth | dep: yep, harmless. it'll be fixed. |
| 03:57.17 | kergoth | dep: the kernel module that lets you check the Model isnt loaded by default yet |
| 03:57.27 | JoseJX | kergoth: I'll check that... |
| 03:57.27 | kergoth | dep: so we need to enable that load by default, then make libopie check it |
| 03:57.34 | kergoth | pretty rudamentary, just havent had the time to do it |
| 03:57.44 | LordDavon | kergoth: You read your email yet? |
| 03:58.00 | kergoth | LordDavon: having email issues, my mailserver dropped |
| 03:58.11 | kergoth | LordDavon: mind forwarding that to clarson@digi.com? |
| 03:58.57 | dep | kergoth: on the busybox...it booted, half my apps were missing, then it died...rebooting itself |
| 03:59.14 | dep | i've seen this before...it then installs more stuff after the reboot |
| 03:59.29 | kergoth | dep: hmm, thats odd |
| 03:59.46 | LordDavon | Sent. |
| 03:59.53 | dep | i suspect it runs out of space on / |
| 04:00.09 | LordDavon | Message me in private if you have any questions on it. It is still "hush hush" |
| 04:00.25 | dep | S99packages...."cannot fork" |
| 04:00.37 | dep | yeah...no space left on device....reboots itself again |
| 04:00.39 | kergoth | LordDavon: understood. |
| 04:00.45 | JoseJX | kergoth: yeah, the MD5 Sums check... |
| 04:02.37 | dep | kergoth: what key sequence at book gets me into root before startup? (need to clear some space) |
| 04:02.47 | dep | boot |
| 04:07.20 | kergoth | brb |
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| 04:21.01 | boulez | hi |
| 04:24.25 | Com[Plex] | unf |
| 04:24.28 | Com[Plex] | mkdir /unf; mount -t sxfs boulez /unf |
| 04:24.48 | boulez | if I knew nix, I'd understand you |
| 04:24.49 | boulez | :) |
| 04:24.57 | kergoth | hey Com[Plex] |
| 04:25.52 | Com[Plex] | sup |
| 04:26.00 | Com[Plex] | hehehe |
| 04:27.03 | chouimat|zzz | night |
| 04:29.54 | Com[Plex] | so I tested that jeodecreator 2.0. lol |
| 04:30.15 | Com[Plex] | it worked perfectly - finally - with the mount ramfs. |
| 04:30.50 | Com[Plex] | I did Not unmount that tho. I figured no ones gonna need to worry about it after they got jeode anyway, so I didnt make a bgi deal of it |
| 04:30.50 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:30.56 | kergoth | cool |
| 04:32.10 | Com[Plex] | testd the installer on a fresh oz3 instalation. it worked, created the "java" folder that was missing before. now installdir.sh really works. heh. |
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| 04:32.30 | warmi | hello |
| 04:32.43 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 04:33.10 | LordDavon | Night everyone. |
| 04:33.14 | Com[Plex] | gnite |
| 04:34.08 | warmi | uh .. just released Puzz-le for pocket PC - if anyone is interested in porting their software to PocketPC from Qt then my source code will be helpfull ( actually it won't - I basically recreated Qt library skipping MFC altogether) |
| 04:34.09 | warmi | :-) |
| 04:34.18 | treke|home | kergoth: is it just me or does freddie seem to have more qt problems than anyone you've ever seen? |
| 04:34.34 | Com[Plex] | well.. this is odd. |
| 04:34.39 | kergoth | treke|home: oh yes, its rather amusing when i get done beating my head against the wall |
| 04:34.55 | Com[Plex] | I dont have an sd card in the z, and yet, with aqpkg I can isntall to SD. and it works! |
| 04:35.04 | treke|home | if I had never used qt before, I'd think it was a buggy unportable pile of shit :) |
| 04:35.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:35.10 | warmi | btw .. that will be my last PocketPC port .. it sucks .. Qt is soo much better :-) |
| 04:35.25 | treke|home | warmi: you here the bad news about the zaurus? |
| 04:35.37 | boulez | bad news? |
| 04:35.39 | warmi | what ? |
| 04:35.54 | Com[Plex] | ?? |
| 04:35.55 | treke|home | warmi: sharp isnt planning on continue retail marketing for it in the us |
| 04:35.59 | BZFlag | http://happypenguin.org/ |
| 04:36.00 | Com[Plex] | !!!! |
| 04:36.00 | boulez | &^$#!$ |
| 04:36.07 | Com[Plex] | yuo Gotta be fucking kidding me! |
| 04:36.14 | sjohnson | Com[Plex]: You installing to the local storage. The mount point is writable |
| 04:36.14 | NeoTron | warmi: just don't make games that uses the system UI |
| 04:36.15 | BZFlag | eep, wrong channel. ;-) |
| 04:36.20 | NeoTron | warmi: most my games do not |
| 04:36.27 | NeoTron | BZFlag: :-P |
| 04:36.27 | boulez | what about the 5600?! |
| 04:36.33 | warmi | NeoTron well, you need widgets for options, help files etc . |
| 04:36.34 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 04:36.51 | Com[Plex] | trkee, where did you find out about this? |
| 04:37.07 | warmi | treke: but they will offer this for enteprise customers in US right ? |
| 04:37.14 | treke|home | warmi: right |
| 04:37.16 | warmi | I mean, there will be English based Zaurus available / |
| 04:37.21 | NeoTron | warmi: no |
| 04:37.21 | warmi | ? |
| 04:37.25 | NeoTron | warmi: you actually do not |
| 04:37.30 | treke|home | boulez: you can follow my statement to its logical conclusion |
| 04:37.39 | NeoTron | no as in no you don't need widgets |
| 04:37.43 | NeoTron | you can use gfx for that |
| 04:37.51 | NeoTron | as I said, most ports do exclusively |
| 04:37.59 | warmi | NeoTron: well, perhaps.. but as you know, for Puzz-le I used tons of widgets for handling options etc .... it is just easier that way, no need to recreate controls for every game |
| 04:38.08 | warmi | basically, you end up creating mini-toolkit anyway |
| 04:38.18 | NeoTron | right, but my point was that in the FUTURE you don't need to do it that way. :) |
| 04:38.28 | NeoTron | and yes, my games have a bunch of "mini-toolkits" |
| 04:38.33 | boulez | treke|home: no, I can't....you mean they're not going to release the 5600 in the US at all? |
| 04:38.33 | NeoTron | some ugly and some uglier. :-)) |
| 04:38.34 | warmi | well, since I already wrote mini-qt for Pocket PC - I am done :-) |
| 04:39.19 | treke|home | boulez: not to end users. Companies they will |
| 04:39.22 | warmi | NeoTron btw .. since Zaurus won't be sold in retail, what are you going to do with your games Neo ? |
| 04:39.31 | warmi | develop exclusively for the Japanese market ? |
| 04:39.34 | NeoTron | nothing different |
| 04:39.51 | NeoTron | Enterprise buyers might still buy games, although less likely |
| 04:39.51 | Com[Plex] | yeah what the fuck? why would they do this? |
| 04:39.55 | boulez | Companies? I'm not sure I get it. So, if I run a business, I can order the Zaurus that way but I can't go to Best Buy? |
| 04:40.21 | warmi | treke: any official release we can read ? |
| 04:40.22 | warmi | just wondering |
| 04:40.22 | Com[Plex] | why would sharp not let people buy zaurus;s ? |
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| 04:40.31 | treke|home | boulez: as in they want to sell them in large lots to companies that want to use them internally, they arent too concerned about single users |
| 04:40.32 | NeoTron | and my own games will not be zaurus exclusive. rather I'm going to do Zaurus first, then PocketPC and possibly also PalmOS5 ARM |
| 04:40.36 | treke|home | warmi: Jason and BigBoss |
| 04:40.37 | Com[Plex] | what the fuck to they stand to bennefit this way? |
| 04:40.44 | boulez | hmmm |
| 04:40.49 | warmi | treke : ah ok .. so there will be no CF700 |
| 04:40.52 | treke|home | nothing officiall yet |
| 04:41.05 | NeoTron | If I understand there still might be places to buy it like Amazon |
| 04:41.09 | boulez | well, the good news (sorta) is that prices on remaining units will probably tank |
| 04:41.17 | Com[Plex] | gaaayyy |
| 04:41.18 | NeoTron | just not _retail_ as in Best Buy, CompUSa etc |
| 04:41.42 | Com[Plex] | grumble |
| 04:41.45 | treke|home | it was always cool to see a linux pda on shelves |
| 04:41.50 | warmi | well, that means there still will be a market for "serious" apps , just not games ;-) |
| 04:42.04 | warmi | Noe: switch to writing database apps etc :-) |
| 04:42.27 | NeoTron | Never |
| 04:42.29 | treke|home | and try to compete with tkc? Sounds like an invitation to find a horse head in your bed |
| 04:42.31 | NeoTron | see, that wouldn't be fun |
| 04:42.37 | NeoTron | that too |
| 04:42.40 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 04:42.47 | warmi | I do that every day at work :-) |
| 04:42.54 | NeoTron | No, I will do games but will concentrate on original stuff I/we can release on the PPC as well |
| 04:43.00 | NeoTron | where the market is bigger. :P |
| 04:43.06 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 04:43.12 | Com[Plex] | hey neo, whats this new game you got in the works? |
| 04:43.20 | Com[Plex] | saw something mentioned about it on your site |
| 04:43.48 | NeoTron | Hmm. Dragon Bane 2, Motocross Stunt Racer and/or Hyperspace Delivery Boy? |
| 04:43.56 | warmi | treke: TKC is not Microsoft ;-) |
| 04:44.02 | Com[Plex] | hyperspace delivery boy |
| 04:44.02 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 04:44.08 | Com[Plex] | gthats the one |
| 04:44.11 | warmi | they just have a bunch of guys working for them from their homes :-) |
| 04:44.18 | NeoTron | warmi: no, but they have people working fulltime |
| 04:44.19 | NeoTron | I do not |
| 04:44.28 | NeoTron | and, indeed, a bunch |
| 04:44.59 | warmi | NeoTron these games are ports , right ? |
| 04:45.05 | WormLunch | hyperspace delivery boy |
| 04:45.05 | Com[Plex] | hey neo: do you plan on dropping the price on rocket elite any time soon? Im tryin to get some friends to buy it, but they whine abotu the price tag. |
| 04:45.07 | WormLunch | i heard of that game |
| 04:45.28 | boulez | I don't know what to think about this marketing news....it'd suck for support to dry up. Is anyone ELSE making a comparable PDA? |
| 04:45.31 | NeoTron | warmi: yes |
| 04:45.43 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: Unfortunately out of my control |
| 04:45.57 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 04:46.03 | warmi | well, at least the ZAurus won't die like Agenda .. assuming Sharp is reasonably sucesfull with their new strategy |
| 04:46.07 | treke|home | boulez: Theres always opie and the ipaq :) |
| 04:46.31 | boulez | but no sexy keyboard |
| 04:46.36 | warmi | there will be support - I mean , they will have to support stuff they sell to corporations |
| 04:46.41 | boulez | true |
| 04:46.45 | NeoTron | the Zaurus is not going away any time soon I don't think |
| 04:46.50 | NeoTron | might just be a bit harder to find |
| 04:46.54 | NeoTron | for individuals |
| 04:46.58 | warmi | NeoTron : it already is |
| 04:47.01 | treke|home | theres always japan :) |
| 04:47.18 | warmi | you can't find it anymore in BB or other places like that |
| 04:47.24 | NeoTron | right |
| 04:47.46 | warmi | man, I wished they tried one more time with CF700 device |
| 04:47.51 | warmi | it seems really sweet |
| 04:47.51 | NeoTron | honestly, it probably didn't sell much through those channels except for when they were "given" away |
| 04:48.08 | warmi | well, they sold like 40 K of them |
| 04:48.13 | warmi | not much but still |
| 04:48.15 | boulez | There's one left at my local Office Depot. But it's still $400.... |
| 04:49.07 | warmi | boulez : that's like Amiga 600 I saw in local Montgomery Ward in 1994 - they were trying to sell it for $500 or something stupid price like that |
| 04:49.30 | warmi | no wonder they went out of business |
| 04:49.56 | boulez | There's a music store in my town that sells all kinds of old, discontinued synth gear. But they sell it at the highest price it ever went for, even if the shit's been out of production since the early 90's. It's insane |
| 04:49.57 | treke|home | when did they go under? |
| 04:50.19 | warmi | like a year ago |
| 04:50.24 | sjohnson | warmi: Commodore went out of busines due to management incompetance and major shareholders raping the company |
| 04:50.36 | treke|home | thats it? thought it was longer |
| 04:50.50 | warmi | sjohnson: yeah, I know .. but I was talking about retailer, not the commodore itself :-) |
| 04:50.57 | sjohnson | Ah |
| 04:51.36 | treke|home | last time I'd seen one was something like 6 or 7 years ago. Then I saw a closed down building, and was surprised it had been empty that long |
| 04:52.04 | warmi | commodore went under in 1994 I think |
| 04:52.10 | warmi | or maybe even 1993 |
| 04:52.16 | warmi | something like that |
| 04:52.35 | warmi | when I said "a year ago' I mean Montgomery Ward :-) |
| 04:52.56 | treke|home | warmi: thats what I meant also |
| 04:53.30 | warmi | treke do our Sharp boys get to keep their jobs ? |
| 04:53.33 | warmi | lol |
| 04:53.48 | treke|home | dunno |
| 04:53.53 | treke|home | hopefully |
| 04:54.03 | warmi | well, they will need developers |
| 04:54.13 | warmi | oh well ... will see |
| 04:55.51 | warmi | treke: you there ? |
| 04:55.58 | warmi | was Jason talking about that on the channel ? |
| 04:56.18 | treke|home | yeah |
| 04:56.50 | warmi | today ? |
| 04:56.51 | treke|home | he also posted it to zauruszone a cople weeks back |
| 04:56.56 | treke|home | yes |
| 04:57.54 | warmi | any word how long will they support existing 5500 users ? |
| 04:58.08 | warmi | I gues, that would be a question for Jason ;-) |
| 04:58.31 | treke|home | didnt see any |
| 04:59.16 | warmi | one just can't compete against MS power |
| 04:59.27 | warmi | Palm is in trouble as well |
| 04:59.38 | warmi | their new devices will be competing head on with MS stuff |
| 05:00.01 | treke|home | at least palm has the faithful |
| 05:00.29 | boulez | hmmmm |
| 05:00.36 | boulez | this makes my purchasing decision that much harder |
| 05:00.43 | warmi | I don't hate MS ... the devices are very similar - what I hate is their API - MFC is a nightmare :-) |
| 05:01.02 | anurkhet | hahaha |
| 05:01.10 | warmi | perhaps Trolls will finally get around and release Qt for PocketPC |
| 05:01.23 | anurkhet | warmi: I believe it |
| 05:01.34 | anurkhet | re MFC |
| 05:01.48 | warmi | I read once that they do have internal version of Qt running on Pocket PC |
| 05:02.03 | warmi | it wouldn't be that hard .. I myself ported like 30% of Qt to pocket PC :-) |
| 05:02.52 | treke|home | is MFC the only option on the ppc? |
| 05:03.05 | warmi | well, what can I say ... they got me hooked . I am qt addict |
| 05:03.14 | warmi | treke : no, you can code in Win32 API ;-) |
| 05:03.22 | treke|home | god. what a choice |
| 05:03.28 | warmi | or create your own C++ framework on top of Win32 API ( C based , Xlib like) |
| 05:03.43 | treke|home | yeah, i've used win32 api before |
| 05:03.44 | warmi | of course, there is C# and VB |
| 05:03.50 | warmi | but that would be beaneath me |
| 05:03.51 | anurkhet | yuck |
| 05:04.23 | treke|home | "so you can be drawn and quartered or burned at the stake. What will it be?" |
| 05:04.30 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:04.43 | anurkhet | some jackass on our team convinced mgmt to let him release some Access / VB monstrosity |
| 05:04.46 | warmi | well, the thing is people in Win32 world don't know they are on the stake ;-) |
| 05:04.54 | warmi | they think MFC is just as good as it gets |
| 05:05.31 | warmi | well, MFC is good - when faced with coding in Win32 , it is better to use MFC |
| 05:06.00 | warmi | aditionally, every bookstore has a huge selection of MFC/Win32 titles |
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| 05:07.04 | treke|home | compared to the what, two books in existance on qt? |
| 05:07.38 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:07.39 | anurkhet | haha |
| 05:07.43 | warmi | qt doesn't need books |
| 05:07.50 | warmi | their HTML docs are more than enough |
| 05:07.55 | warmi | most of the time :-) |
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| 05:10.56 | warmi | treke : no plans to buy PPC device and "diversify" to that other OS ? |
| 05:10.57 | warmi | heeh |
| 05:11.12 | treke|home | warmi: nope :) |
| 05:11.31 | treke|home | I've already got the ppc device, and the other os sucks |
| 05:11.33 | boulez | Does PPC suck, or does it just have the potential to suck |
| 05:11.45 | bfox | No, PPC sucks. |
| 05:12.01 | boulez | k |
| 05:12.09 | bfox | However, PPC hardware rocks. Like the Toshiba e740, for example. |
| 05:12.09 | warmi | boulez : it is OK from the user point of view ... I just don't like their API as a programmer |
| 05:12.34 | treke|home | I dunno, I dont like it from a user point of view either |
| 05:12.41 | warmi | yeah, Toshiba looks sweet |
| 05:12.48 | warmi | but not as sweet as Sharp CF700 |
| 05:12.49 | treke|home | it has better hardware support and more apps |
| 05:12.50 | boulez | I just don't want a PDA that crashes. But I do want one that's going to keep existing.... |
| 05:12.59 | treke|home | but the UI sucks and its rather unstable |
| 05:13.08 | warmi | boulez : PocketPC doesn't crash much |
| 05:13.15 | warmi | treke : UI sucks |
| 05:13.19 | bfox | I have the dubious distinction of programming shit in Win32 for desktops and PPC. The part of the OS that sucks isn't necessarilyt the win32 api. It is the fact that there are 32 slots for processes, and bad memory management, etc. |
| 05:13.25 | warmi | PPC UI looks like Windows 3.11 |
| 05:13.33 | boulez | blech |
| 05:13.33 | warmi | running on 65 K color device |
| 05:13.58 | treke|home | its the layout that I despise |
| 05:14.17 | boulez | treke|home: Do you have a link to those forum comments about the marketing stoppage? |
| 05:14.27 | warmi | bfox : well, one thing I don't like about Win32 API is all that junk they have acummulated over the years .. |
| 05:14.33 | bfox | Well, I love the toshiba. The 802.11 builtin works great, and there is IR, SD and CF still available! Add 64 MB of ram, good screen, speaker, microphone, and you've got some shit going on. |
| 05:14.35 | warmi | all these CreateWindowExEx APIs etc |
| 05:15.00 | treke|home | bad art is easy to fix :) |
| 05:15.02 | warmi | treke : what do you mean by layout ? |
| 05:15.10 | warmi | the Windows Manager they use in PPC ? |
| 05:15.12 | warmi | or what ? |
| 05:15.21 | bfox | warmi: Oh, Win32 sucks the big one, non-stop. But it's not the real problem with PPC, it's the underlying OS that really sucks! |
| 05:15.53 | warmi | bfox: well, frankly, there are limitations ( my Puzz-le port was my first port to PPC) but it is usable .. |
| 05:16.20 | warmi | I mean, I was surprised that some APIs are simply missing ( for example GetCurrentDirectory() is missing) - who knows why ? |
| 05:16.28 | warmi | most of File apis are there but that one is missing |
| 05:16.31 | warmi | strange stuff |
| 05:16.44 | treke|home | warmi: Finding apps was clumsy, had to use the start menu, then open a file browser type thing, then find the app. I didnt like having the menu bar at the bottom of the app with some toolbars at the top |
| 05:17.00 | warmi | treke: yeah .. I prefer Qtopia too |
| 05:17.06 | bfox | I especially like the way that you cannot cleanly tell if the OS just returned from being suspended -- well, you can write a device driver to tell you -- I shit you not! |
| 05:17.09 | warmi | but PPC is usable |
| 05:17.14 | treke|home | same thing with volume and handwriting plugins. some are on the bottom, some on the top |
| 05:17.32 | warmi | bfox: well, I haven't played with PPC OS that deep |
| 05:17.49 | treke|home | its input method design was nice though |
| 05:18.07 | treke|home | Restricting them to a little popup box is a bad idea |
| 05:18.16 | bfox | I wrote a p2p servlet thingie. The socket library is especially borken. |
| 05:18.44 | bfox | The basic UI on the PPC is also atrocious. It gets much worse when you get to the smartphone (no touchscreen!) |
| 05:18.52 | warmi | yeah ,, I read that WinSocket support is bad |
| 05:19.10 | warmi | but still, it is better than Palm OS |
| 05:19.12 | warmi | ;-) |
| 05:19.21 | bfox | Any experience with Palm OS5? |
| 05:19.38 | warmi | no, |
| 05:19.41 | bfox | LinuxDA runs on a palm.... Too bad the hardware sucks. |
| 05:19.46 | warmi | supposedly it is something completely new |
| 05:20.09 | kergoth | bfox: think theres any potential in the new units with the TI OMAP chip? |
| 05:20.11 | bfox | I just want to run OpenZaurus on my toshiba. |
| 05:20.18 | boulez | I've heard those Windows smartphones are the worst shit ever |
| 05:20.18 | warmi | treke: you have an ipaq right ? |
| 05:20.21 | treke|home | warmi: yup |
| 05:20.24 | bfox | I also want a targus keyboard for my zaurus. |
| 05:20.27 | warmi | which one ? |
| 05:20.31 | treke|home | familiar/oz on an e750 would rock |
| 05:20.33 | treke|home | warmi: 3850 |
| 05:20.46 | warmi | is that better than 3835 ? |
| 05:20.52 | treke|home | nope |
| 05:20.53 | warmi | I guess, judging by the number, it is |
| 05:20.54 | warmi | :-) |
| 05:20.56 | warmi | no ?? |
| 05:21.04 | bfox | treke|home: The 3850 would bea nice machine if it wasn't so huge. |
| 05:21.05 | treke|home | nope |
| 05:21.11 | treke|home | warmi: its the same |
| 05:21.13 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:21.39 | warmi | oh ...right, I think the only different is Bluetooth support |
| 05:21.41 | treke|home | warmi: general rule, its the second number that matters. 16789 |
| 05:21.42 | warmi | or something like that |
| 05:21.58 | treke|home | theres special cases like the 3760 and the 3875 |
| 05:22.06 | treke|home | 3875 == bluetooth |
| 05:22.12 | warmi | ah ok |
| 05:22.24 | treke|home | for the most part the only differences are either they sales channel or the bundles accessories |
| 05:22.37 | warmi | well, one thing I like about PPC is their superb stylus/touch panel support |
| 05:22.42 | warmi | much bettter driver than in Z |
| 05:22.57 | treke|home | yeah. Its better in linux also |
| 05:23.31 | bfox | warmi: Huh? What's wrong with the Z support (haven't yet written my first Qt prog, but used to write X apps) |
| 05:23.33 | warmi | anyone here has this new Toshiba device ? |
| 05:23.50 | bfox | I have an e740. Which one are you talking about? |
| 05:23.52 | warmi | bfox: stylus generates way too many events .. filtering is screwed up |
| 05:23.59 | warmi | it is not Qt but stylus driver problem |
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| 05:24.10 | bfox | warmi: Ahhh |
| 05:24.10 | warmi | bfox : you run PPC on it ? |
| 05:24.40 | treke|home | bfox: If you check some of neo's games you see it |
| 05:24.40 | bfox | Yeah, because that's the only thing running on it now. I don't have time nor docs to run anything else on it. |
| 05:25.01 | treke|home | holding down the stylus on the Z can result in performance being hit drastically |
| 05:25.11 | treke|home | on the ipaq its a much smaller hit |
| 05:25.28 | bfox | treke|home: Yeah, actually I've lived with the jittery stylus bug. THat should be easy to fix, though. |
| 05:25.28 | warmi | I am looking for people to test my port on PPC - check it out if you find some time , let me know if it works on Toshiba ( I have only ipaq to test with ) |
| 05:25.29 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/pocketpc/anigma.shtml |
| 05:25.58 | warmi | I am thiking about "purchasing" Toshiba in my local BestBuy |
| 05:26.03 | warmi | just to test it over the weekend :-) |
| 05:26.09 | warmi | and then return it |
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| 05:26.20 | treke|home | the toshiba looks really cool\ |
| 05:26.22 | boulez | kinda pricey |
| 05:26.28 | warmi | yeah |
| 05:26.35 | warmi | well, there are two models |
| 05:26.41 | warmi | one is around $400 - not that bad |
| 05:26.43 | warmi | of course 32 only |
| 05:26.48 | warmi | 32 MB that is |
| 05:26.55 | treke|home | the one with the cf and wireless could possibly get me to switch from the ipaq |
| 05:27.00 | boulez | hmm |
| 05:27.09 | warmi | yeah, but that one is around $600 I think |
| 05:27.23 | boulez | oof...I'm looking to spend under 300 |
| 05:27.48 | warmi | boulez : uh .. you are destined to own Palm then :-) |
| 05:27.57 | Com[Plex] | I jsut installed the java sdk.. and I have no idea what to the hell Im looking at |
| 05:27.59 | boulez | well, the Zaurus is close |
| 05:28.00 | treke|home | pretty much the only reason I couldnt switch to the Z was that I got hooked on having a CF and a Wireless |
| 05:28.08 | treke|home | theres the audiovox |
| 05:28.22 | boulez | ? |
| 05:28.23 | treke|home | think that was 300 |
| 05:28.38 | bfox | treke|home: I can't tell you how cool the e740 is. I'm in love wiht it. I just hate microsoft, and can't run ssh on it. |
| 05:28.40 | warmi | isn't audiovox discontinued ? |
| 05:28.46 | treke|home | is it? |
| 05:28.55 | warmi | I thought I read something about that |
| 05:28.58 | kergoth | bfox: linux ported to it yet? |
| 05:29.03 | treke|home | Wouldnt be surprised. it was the e730 or something |
| 05:29.41 | bfox | kergoth: No linux port to e740 as of last week. Somebody's trying to do a UM linux -- Ugh. |
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| 05:29.57 | kergoth | bfox: geh |
| 05:29.59 | warmi | UM linux ? |
| 05:30.12 | treke|home | people have been asking about it on the familiar list, doesnt sound like theres much of a chance |
| 05:30.18 | kergoth | bfox: specs/programming docs avail? |
| 05:30.22 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:30.26 | bfox | warmi: User Mode linux. Runs as a separate process. Can evven run under .... linux! |
| 05:30.29 | kergoth | thats unfortunate |
| 05:30.31 | warmi | why is that ... no specs for the custom hardware ? |
| 05:30.35 | warmi | I mean, it is ARM based, is it not ? |
| 05:30.50 | warmi | bfox : uh .. that's insane :-) |
| 05:31.11 | warmi | like IBM mainframe stuff , except it is not running on mainframe but MS OS :) |
| 05:31.30 | bfox | I know how to flash it, but I haven't seen any docs on the bootflash. Of course, I didn't take it apart, and look at the part numbers or anything. Someone did, tho -- there's a couple of sites on the net. |
| 05:31.50 | kergoth | bfox: hmm, will have to look around |
| 05:32.14 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:32.22 | bfox | kergoth: bfox would love to see OZ on there! Are you shitting me? |
| 05:32.25 | warmi | kergoth: how about new Palm devices - these are ARM based as well |
| 05:32.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:32.38 | bfox | Yeah -- too much money, not enough device. |
| 05:32.46 | kergoth | warmi: the ones using the OMAP chip? yeah, thats based on the ARM925 core, shouldnt be a prob |
| 05:33.16 | warmi | well, I am not into new Palms - I know that the latest models use ARM cpu |
| 05:33.19 | treke|home | kergoth: how much work would it take to get OZ running on an ipaq? |
| 05:33.39 | warmi | shouldn't be a big deal , I think |
| 05:33.49 | kergoth | treke|home: about 10 minutes of work to add the pull of the familiar kernel form cvs |
| 05:33.58 | warmi | hahaha |
| 05:34.04 | kergoth | treke|home: few more mins to deal with image creation and the bits from differing models |
| 05:34.08 | kergoth | thats about it |
| 05:34.40 | warmi | kergoth : you prefer running Qtopia or some X based solutions on your device ? |
| 05:35.06 | kergoth | I prefer qtopia myself, but both are always available and images will be available for both |
| 05:35.09 | kergoth | I'm all about choices |
| 05:35.17 | warmi | I don't know why . but I don't really like X , be it on my PDA or on my desktop :-) |
| 05:35.48 | warmi | of course, as long as Qt runs on "it" ( whatever that it is) - I am happy |
| 05:35.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:36.00 | treke|home | its cool now that opie mostly runs on X |
| 05:36.19 | warmi | treke : you mean OPIE runs as a process under X ? |
| 05:36.29 | warmi | or as a windows manager ? |
| 05:36.31 | treke|home | warmi: most of it can |
| 05:37.02 | treke|home | you need a window manager, although matchbx is probably the only one that knows how to deal with the ok/cancel buttons |
| 05:37.48 | warmi | well, X doesn't really buy you much .. I mean it is not faster than Qt framebuffer |
| 05:38.08 | treke|home | buys you a couple little things though |
| 05:38.08 | warmi | and since you are running Qt code anyway, might as well skip on the xlib and the server |
| 05:38.09 | warmi | :-) |
| 05:38.29 | warmi | well, you could run GTK based apps :-) |
| 05:38.35 | treke|home | GTK apps, xstroke :) |
| 05:38.35 | warmi | if you are so inclined |
| 05:38.50 | warmi | but that means another 4 MB library in your memory |
| 05:39.17 | treke|home | eh, I've got 64mb of it |
| 05:39.19 | warmi | and , God forbid, you somehow end up running Motif ... |
| 05:39.25 | warmi | that's another 10 MB or so :-) |
| 05:39.38 | warmi | of course, the are others like fltk and fox |
| 05:39.45 | warmi | soon you will be out of disk and memory |
| 05:39.49 | warmi | typical X mess ;-) |
| 05:39.58 | treke|home | hehe |
| 05:40.12 | warmi | altough on the desktop it doesn't matter much - especially since memory and disk space are soo cheap |
| 05:40.30 | treke|home | good ole vr3 apps |
| 05:40.35 | warmi | heh |
| 05:40.48 | warmi | fltk: it is actually C++ toolkit as opposed to GTK nonsense |
| 05:41.02 | warmi | very light toolkit at that |
| 05:41.05 | treke|home | never could get vr3wm to work though |
| 05:41.23 | warmi | treke: ZCheckers is a port of standard fltk checkers game that comes as a example with fltk distro |
| 05:41.32 | treke|home | cool |
| 05:41.42 | treke|home | the monochrome look was also a bit dull |
| 05:42.00 | warmi | yeah, and it didn't have any light right ? |
| 05:42.07 | treke|home | light? |
| 05:42.18 | warmi | backlight |
| 05:42.24 | warmi | the agenda |
| 05:42.29 | treke|home | never had an agenda |
| 05:42.33 | warmi | vr3 is agenda stuff right ? |
| 05:42.41 | treke|home | yup. |
| 05:42.55 | warmi | oh, so you were running it on ipaq right ? |
| 05:43.00 | treke|home | yeah, most of it worked fine |
| 05:43.03 | warmi | sorry, I thought you had agenda |
| 05:43.24 | treke|home | nope. |
| 05:43.35 | treke|home | was a nice idea though |
| 05:43.41 | warmi | well, on a device like ipaq , running monochrome desktop was certainly a waste :-) |
| 05:44.12 | treke|home | it wa a whole lot better than the familiar pim apps :) |
| 05:44.18 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:44.25 | treke|home | you thought the qtopia stuff was bad |
| 05:44.27 | warmi | I never seen or used familiar pim apps :-) |
| 05:44.32 | treke|home | this was bad and slow |
| 05:44.41 | warmi | was it GTK based stuff ? |
| 05:44.45 | treke|home | worse |
| 05:44.46 | treke|home | pygtk |
| 05:44.52 | warmi | uh ... |
| 05:44.54 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:44.59 | warmi | that's like VB on PocketPC |
| 05:45.25 | warmi | the difference being that even VB is compiled these days |
| 05:45.36 | treke|home | python is nice, and its convienient to have it coming soon for qtopia, but having everything written in python was a memory hog |
| 05:45.56 | warmi | python is good for scripting .. aka VBA on windows |
| 05:46.08 | warmi | perhaps even good for writing standalone apps on desktop machines |
| 05:46.19 | treke|home | at least now, people are starting to use C and C++ for their apps |
| 05:46.24 | warmi | but I think it bit too slow on 200 MHZ device :-) |
| 05:46.57 | treke|home | not bad once it got going, but start up times were horrible |
| 05:47.14 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:47.17 | omoore | ok, using opera 2 dl a file 2 smb mnt dir... |
| 05:47.31 | warmi | precisely something you DON"T want to experience on a device like PDA |
| 05:47.32 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:47.50 | treke|home | qt isnt that much better :) |
| 05:48.02 | omoore | hav 5gd free on mnt |
| 05:48.10 | warmi | qt is ok ... once it is loaded in memory ( which is at the start of Qtopia) |
| 05:48.42 | treke|home | still a much longer load time than I'd prefer |
| 05:48.47 | omoore | opera reports -### free... |
| 05:49.01 | omoore | (neg val) |
| 05:49.07 | warmi | supposedly that latest gcc has better support for dynamic linking in C++ apps |
| 05:49.12 | warmi | I read something somewhere |
| 05:49.17 | omoore | so wont dl |
| 05:49.28 | warmi | omoore : you have 5500 ? |
| 05:49.35 | omoore | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.41 | omoore | nc |
| 05:49.41 | treke|home | warmi: kergoth reports that gcc3 base qtopia is much nicer |
| 05:49.53 | omoore | 55 sry ... |
| 05:49.54 | warmi | omoore : 5600 ???? |
| 05:49.57 | warmi | ah ok |
| 05:49.59 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:50.02 | omoore | drsaming |
| 05:50.22 | warmi | treke : well, that's what I heard ... this should benefit KDE on the desktop as well |
| 05:50.24 | DaWorm | opera 2? |
| 05:50.44 | omoore | let me look |
| 05:51.13 | warmi | treke: oh .. just remembered .. one more thing I like about PPC - their memory/disk space management |
| 05:51.14 | treke|home | kergoth: Question, could You keep an old gcc 2.95 copy of qt around for old apps? |
| 05:51.20 | warmi | it is completely dynamic |
| 05:51.28 | kergoth | treke|home: yep. its been discussed with zecke and harlekin |
| 05:51.43 | kergoth | treke|home: could drop em all on a cf or something |
| 05:51.59 | kergoth | BZFlag: santa, do i get a new job for christmas? |
| 05:52.05 | treke|home | memory hog, but someone who needs/wants compatibility could deal |
| 05:52.14 | warmi | kergoth : I heard gcc 3.0 is much stricter - will complain with my Puzz-le code since I left default args in .cpp files all over place :-) |
| 05:52.16 | warmi | heh |
| 05:52.22 | omoore | opera 5.0 |
| 05:52.30 | omoore | not2.0 |
| 05:52.30 | kergoth | warmi: yep |
| 05:52.34 | kergoth | warmi: easy fixes though |
| 05:52.34 | omoore | on z |
| 05:52.41 | warmi | I had that problem when porting to PPC |
| 05:52.43 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 05:52.53 | warmi | I just usually paste code from .h files |
| 05:52.59 | warmi | that's why it ends up like that :-) |
| 05:53.38 | omoore | daworm: |
| 05:53.45 | omoore | idea? |
| 05:54.08 | DaWorm | i don;t understand a thing |
| 05:55.35 | warmi | treke: yeah .. I just read Jason negative reply to the zaurus list regarding supposed CF700 availability in US |
| 05:55.36 | omoore | any1 smb mnt dirs w/Z? |
| 05:55.38 | warmi | that just sucks |
| 05:56.01 | warmi | omoore : I mount Z drives on my Linux using Samba but not the other way around |
| 05:56.40 | omoore | warmi:pls try this |
| 05:56.44 | warmi | ibot zaurus 5600 |
| 05:56.44 | | warmi: I give up, what is it? |
| 05:56.54 | warmi | ibot zaurus 5500 |
| 05:56.55 | | warmi: I give up, what is it? |
| 05:57.00 | warmi | ibot zaurus |
| 05:57.00 | | well, zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of ibot's hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 05:57.25 | boulez | warmi: Can you give me the link for that comment? |
| 05:57.27 | omoore | smbmount pc share from z |
| 05:57.55 | warmi | omoore : I don't have my Z with me now ( left it in the office) |
| 05:57.59 | warmi | can't do a thing |
| 05:58.01 | omoore | use opera 2 dl something 2 that share |
| 05:58.24 | omoore | darn, want 2 cnfrm |
| 05:58.33 | warmi | boulez : well, I can't give you a link cause this is an email :-) |
| 05:58.44 | omoore | issue w/opera 4 z |
| 05:58.47 | boulez | aha |
| 05:58.52 | boulez | sorry |
| 05:59.11 | warmi | omoore : beside - I have 5000 which doesn't work with Opera all that well ( only 32 MBs) |
| 05:59.45 | warmi | boulez : basically, some sites posted articles about supposed plans for releasing CF700 in US |
| 05:59.49 | warmi | and Jason replied : |
| 05:59.51 | warmi | NO! |
| 05:59.52 | warmi | We're showing the JAPANESE version at CES, like we did at COMDEX. |
| 05:59.54 | warmi | ---- |
| 06:00.07 | warmi | so no CF700 for now |
| 06:00.12 | boulez | hmmm |
| 06:00.21 | omoore | anyone else have 5500,opera,smbmouat 4 z,lin/win shares on pc? |
| 06:00.30 | warmi | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/pcworld/20021129/tc_pcworld/107241 |
| 06:00.40 | warmi | that was the story people were discussing |
| 06:00.43 | boulez | I just want a cheap 5500...I'm so bitter about missing out on the zaurusvip deal.... |
| 06:01.00 | omoore | oh and net enabled z |
| 06:01.03 | warmi | especially this line : |
| 06:01.05 | warmi | The C700 runs on a 400-MHz Intel XScale processor, and comes with 64MB of flash memory and 32MB of synchronous dynamic RAM. The device is equipped with slots for Secure Digital and Compact Flash cards. It's priced at $500 and is scheduled for U.S. release at the Consumer Electronics Show in January. |
| 06:01.19 | warmi | Jason said that was not true |
| 06:01.48 | warmi | zaurusvip ??? |
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| 06:02.03 | boulez | yeah, the topic |
| 06:02.15 | warmi | boulez : you can get Zs on sale in some places for around $260 ... |
| 06:02.16 | boulez | until yesterday, they were selling them for 249 |
| 06:02.20 | boulez | ! |
| 06:02.20 | warmi | or so I read |
| 06:02.26 | warmi | ah ... that is probably it |
| 06:02.44 | boulez | That's 100 cheaper than anywhere else I've seen |
| 06:02.49 | warmi | yeah, true |
| 06:02.55 | warmi | tried eBay already ? |
| 06:03.03 | boulez | yeah, the prices there are pretty high |
| 06:03.04 | omoore | ebay |
| 06:03.21 | omoore | crazy 4 pda's |
| 06:03.30 | boulez | don't know that one |
| 06:03.40 | omoore | ppl pay near retail |
| 06:03.42 | warmi | well, get 5000d then :-) I am sure you can find one for around $200 or maybe even less |
| 06:03.57 | boulez | isn't that half the ram? |
| 06:04.02 | warmi | yeah :-) |
| 06:04.03 | warmi | I have one |
| 06:04.16 | warmi | it works with just about 99% of apps out there |
| 06:04.23 | omoore | just get sd card |
| 06:04.26 | boulez | hmm |
| 06:04.32 | warmi | sd is kinda slow |
| 06:04.34 | boulez | What's this crazy 4 pda thing? |
| 06:04.36 | warmi | CF is better |
| 06:04.45 | omoore | (up 2 512mb) |
| 06:04.57 | omoore | cf 4 nic! :) |
| 06:05.08 | omoore | wireless nic |
| 06:05.09 | boulez | hmmm.... |
| 06:05.29 | omoore | spkng of that... |
| 06:05.30 | warmi | there you go :http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1942771031 |
| 06:05.39 | warmi | 5000d with 32 SD card for %160 |
| 06:05.41 | warmi | $ |
| 06:05.48 | boulez | hmmm |
| 06:05.57 | warmi | it will go up most likely but not much |
| 06:06.08 | warmi | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1941657941 |
| 06:06.13 | boulez | buying used shit makes me nervous |
| 06:06.16 | omoore | most do.... |
| 06:06.18 | warmi | this one 13 hours left and is at $202 |
| 06:06.27 | warmi | yeah, that is always a risk |
| 06:06.50 | omoore | price means nothing till last 60-120 mln |
| 06:06.59 | boulez | right |
| 06:07.17 | omoore | 4giv splng, on my Z |
| 06:07.36 | warmi | yeah, but these won't go up much |
| 06:07.37 | boulez | hehehe |
| 06:08.17 | warmi | holly crap .. people ask $500 for 5500 on ebay |
| 06:08.20 | warmi | that's just insane |
| 06:08.26 | boulez | ridiculous |
| 06:08.37 | warmi | I guess the way things are going 5500 wil become a collectors items |
| 06:08.41 | warmi | or something like that |
| 06:09.00 | boulez | I'd prefer it to become a collectors item after I've bought one for less than $300 ;) |
| 06:09.09 | omoore | lots of nuts on ebay 4 pda's |
| 06:09.14 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:09.36 | warmi | omoore : yeah .. not only for pda .. people assume ebay is always cheaper :-) |
| 06:09.40 | boulez | so the 5000d is basically the same deal, but with the memory cut? |
| 06:09.42 | warmi | which is of course not true |
| 06:09.50 | warmi | boulez : yeah |
| 06:10.14 | sjohnson | boulez: yes. 32MB ram |
| 06:10.22 | warmi | the problems is , there is no way to upgrade the memory |
| 06:10.25 | omoore | palm gpaphitie rocks on z |
| 06:10.30 | warmi | short of tricks with SD/CF cards etc |
| 06:10.33 | boulez | hmmmm |
| 06:10.49 | omoore | ( |
| 06:11.39 | omoore | le...u can do swap using sd or cf fard |
| 06:11.57 | omoore | but slow |
| 06:12.53 | omoore | warmi... |
| 06:13.16 | boulez | I know what's gonna happen....the day I find one, all the remaining retailers will slash their prices |
| 06:13.20 | omoore | is sd slwr thn 802.11b nic? |
| 06:14.01 | omoore | (11mß) |
| 06:14.05 | warmi | I don't know |
| 06:14.14 | warmi | I just have SD and CF card and SD is much slower |
| 06:14.30 | warmi | both are slower than memory ( obviously) but SD is much slower |
| 06:14.55 | omoore | but if 802.11 is fstr thn sd... |
| 06:15.03 | warmi | alright , time to get some sleep |
| 06:15.06 | warmi | see you later |
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| 06:23.17 | brontos | in oz how do I change my backgrounds and make the menus transparent? |
| 06:23.38 | kergoth | brontos: read the faq |
| 06:23.59 | DaWorm | :) |
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| 06:36.24 | brontos | does qtopia desktop sync with oz? |
| 06:40.22 | DaWorm | tried it with 1.6.0 |
| 06:41.55 | brontos | I can't even seem to ftp into the z now... |
| 06:42.02 | brontos | it is still port 4242 right? |
| 06:42.28 | DaWorm | yes...have you read the faq entry on security? |
| 06:43.48 | brontos | oh yeah |
| 06:43.57 | brontos | I found it a minute ago... hehe |
| 06:44.03 | brontos | oops |
| 06:44.26 | DaWorm | just set the appropriate ip |
| 06:44.37 | brontos | yeah I got it now... |
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| 06:59.13 | tux_mike | http://zelda.tuxnami.org/~mike/protomod.jpg |
| 07:01.31 | boulez | what is that? |
| 07:04.37 | tux_mike | the prototype for my mouse mod |
| 07:05.16 | boulez | what will it do? |
| 07:06.54 | tux_mike | flashy lights |
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| 07:07.59 | boulez | hehe |
| 07:08.00 | boulez | nice |
| 07:09.22 | pheph | Hey guys, I got a quick, lame question... I'm running OZ 3.0, and when I use AQPkg to install opie-mediaplayer, opie-libmadplugin, and opie-libmpeg3 , I can't play any mp3's with my zaurus... any ideas? |
| 07:09.35 | pheph | --- from oz feed |
| 07:09.47 | pheph | "no appropriate decoder" error |
| 07:10.08 | brontos | have ya'll got vnc working with oz? |
| 07:23.18 | brontos | ok for some reason oz is blacking out and going to terminal... How do I get back to GUI? |
| 07:25.02 | brontos | with out rebooting that is |
| 07:32.46 | mark | brontos: /etc/init.d/opie start |
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| 07:43.57 | kendrick2 | Microsoft Corp. on Monday released the results of a sponsored study that concludes Windows 2000 is generally cheaper for businesses to run and support [than Linux]. |
| 07:44.34 | ChipX86|Coding | haha |
| 07:44.50 | kendrick2 | "sponsored study" |
| 07:44.51 | ChipX86|Coding | they could prove the sky is made of gumdrops if they pay enough |
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| 08:03.42 | jbardin | i dont thbink i like mozillas use of gtk |
| 08:04.33 | kolla | what use of gtk? |
| 08:04.41 | jbardin | for its widgets |
| 08:04.54 | jbardin | it uses gtk instead of its own dealy |
| 08:05.28 | kolla | ah, yes, I notice now |
| 08:06.14 | jbardin | my gtk theme doesnt look good at in in moz |
| 08:27.15 | mutexer | ibot sdl |
| 08:27.16 | | methinks sdl is Look at http://www.libsdl.org |
| 08:28.58 | mutexer | ibot sdl ipkg |
| 08:28.59 | | mutexer: I give up, what is it? |
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| 08:36.14 | mutexer | anyone know of a howto with sdl and zaurus anywhere? |
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| 08:39.18 | bluntmanand | any one know why all of a sudden my network on the z stoped working. where it normaly says the ip it says |
| 08:39.22 | bluntmanand | "eth0" |
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| 09:06.44 | elron | hello |
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| 09:18.22 | elron | anyone ever acquired a zaurus on dabs.com ? |
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| 09:50.51 | noidd | ello elron |
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| 10:24.37 | teeagesee | what's it with the sl-5600 with 400 Mhz xscale cpu - isn't that a bit oversized? cause i read that the xscale cpu's need alot of power... |
| 10:29.51 | noidd | the xscale uses less power than the arm allegdedly |
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| 12:26.22 | Unify | hi every1 |
| 12:26.22 | Unify | i'm new to zaurus |
| 12:26.30 | Unify | Do i need a modem for my zaurus palm to access internet? |
| 12:32.35 | Unify | Do i need a modem for my zaurus palm to access internet? |
| 12:37.06 | SillyZ | no |
| 12:37.16 | SillyZ | just use tcpip over usb |
| 12:37.39 | SillyZ | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html#mdrk |
| 12:44.53 | Unify | thanks |
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| 12:56.12 | NetAmp | hmmm |
| 12:56.24 | NetAmp | OZ is fun but seems to be more unstable than my grandmother |
| 12:56.33 | NetAmp | Why isn't the clock persistent anyway |
| 12:56.33 | SillyZ | agreed |
| 12:56.47 | NetAmp | is that indeed a Z problem? |
| 12:57.14 | NetAmp | it doesn't always keep time especially after reboot it resets |
| 12:57.16 | NetAmp | oh well |
| 12:57.43 | NetAmp | i'll just have to go back to a paper schedule |
| 12:57.50 | NetAmp | and use the Z as a hack toy ;) |
| 13:00.09 | NetAmp | Opie Player 2 is pretty neat |
| 13:00.10 | SillyZ | I think more effort should be made towards the stability of oz than the advancement of oz |
| 13:00.16 | SillyZ | aye agreed |
| 13:00.21 | NetAmp | SillyZ: you're right :) |
| 13:00.30 | NetAmp | SillyZ: especially for "end-users" |
| 13:00.43 | SillyZ | agreed |
| 13:00.46 | NetAmp | who might want to switch to OZ.. |
| 13:01.04 | NetAmp | also depending on where Qtopia development may go :S |
| 13:01.23 | NetAmp | (with the 'bye bye retail market' stuff and all) |
| 13:01.32 | SillyZ | theres that and the upgrading process shoudlnt include wiping all the packages and data on the Z to preform the upgrade, theres gotta be a less volitile way |
| 13:01.42 | NetAmp | indeed |
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| 13:02.01 | NetAmp | but I thought that was already possible |
| 13:02.04 | NetAmp | ? |
| 13:02.11 | NetAmp | well at least without flashing that's one thing.. |
| 13:02.29 | NetAmp | but you still need to wipe the old pkgs? |
| 13:02.56 | NetAmp | ibot hello |
| 13:02.56 | | hey, netamp |
| 13:03.01 | NetAmp | :D |
| 13:03.11 | SillyZ | ibot hello |
| 13:03.11 | | hola, sillyz |
| 13:03.21 | NetAmp | lol |
| 13:03.26 | SillyZ | hehe |
| 13:04.13 | NetAmp | ibot, today? |
| 13:04.14 | | today is, like, the first day of the rest of ibot's life |
| 13:04.26 | NetAmp | ibot slashdot |
| 13:04.32 | SillyZ | ibot yesterday |
| 13:04.33 | | I know nothing about yesterday |
| 13:04.36 | SillyZ | ROFL |
| 13:04.41 | SillyZ | ibot tommorow |
| 13:04.42 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, SillyZ |
| 13:04.42 | NetAmp | yeah, bad habit |
| 13:04.47 | NetAmp | ibot tends to drink too much |
| 13:04.48 | | NetAmp: no idea |
| 13:04.50 | NetAmp | don't you, ibot? |
| 13:04.50 | SillyZ | rofl! Parse error |
| 13:05.15 | NetAmp | ibot tomorrow |
| 13:05.16 | | rumour has it, tomorrow is yet another new an exiting day as an iPAQ hacker. |
| 13:05.35 | NetAmp | aha so ibot's an iPAQ hacker |
| 13:07.06 | SillyZ | Im bout half tempted to pick up a 2nd Z just for OZ purposes |
| 13:07.35 | NetAmp | haha |
| 13:07.55 | SillyZ | I want my Z to be fully functional although Id really like to work on OZ and OZ projects |
| 13:08.04 | NetAmp | well you can still order the discount one i think |
| 13:08.11 | SillyZ | aye til the 6th |
| 13:08.16 | SillyZ | although If I do the wife will kill me |
| 13:08.24 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 13:08.32 | SillyZ | and I dont know how far back ordered they are |
| 13:08.43 | NetAmp | I don't have a wife, but i might kill myself for it |
| 13:09.52 | SillyZ | grrrr |
| 13:09.59 | SillyZ | my crosscompile enviornment gaggs |
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| 13:34.57 | NetAmp | SillyZ: hm that sucks |
| 13:35.02 | SillyZ | tell me about it :) |
| 13:35.06 | NetAmp | I was just reading about Java development on the Z |
| 13:35.41 | Twiun | NetAmp: fell off your chair laughing? |
| 13:36.01 | NetAmp | i did! :D |
| 13:36.03 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 13:37.38 | SillyZ | libqpe.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 13:37.40 | SillyZ | nice |
| 13:45.18 | SillyZ | hmm |
| 13:45.28 | SillyZ | seems I can compile for arm but not x86 |
| 13:46.06 | NetAmp | maybe the symbols are egyptian |
| 13:46.12 | SillyZ | rof |
| 13:46.28 | SillyZ | gnu.linkonce.d._ZTV11ExampleBase+0x1b8 |
| 13:46.37 | SillyZ | get a bunch of those when trying to compile for x86 |
| 13:47.55 | NetAmp | jeeesh |
| 13:48.10 | NetAmp | the rest of it actually is in French, of that Java compiler howto |
| 13:48.14 | NetAmp | that sucks :P |
| 13:50.11 | Twiun | NetAmp: lol, give me an incentive to finish translating it ;-) |
| 13:50.26 | Twiun | NetAmp: I do say on the page linking to it that it's a work in progress |
| 13:50.50 | NetAmp | heh |
| 13:50.53 | NetAmp | oh you did that ;) |
| 13:51.38 | NetAmp | well |
| 13:51.45 | NetAmp | there's always Babelfish... |
| 13:51.56 | Twiun | I din't write the original, but yeah, I'm translating it |
| 13:52.05 | NetAmp | cool |
| 13:52.08 | SillyZ | aha! |
| 13:52.21 | NetAmp | I never really wanted to learn French in highschool |
| 13:52.34 | SillyZ | found it, the scripts on the crosscompile how to on the dev-x86-qpe.sh script makes no call to the $CROSSCOMPILE variable |
| 13:52.47 | NetAmp | aha |
| 13:53.25 | SillyZ | hmm |
| 13:53.33 | SillyZ | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 13:53.33 | SillyZ | No Qt/Embedded server appears to be running. |
| 13:53.33 | SillyZ | If you want to run this program as a server, |
| 13:53.33 | SillyZ | add the "-qws" command-line option. |
| 13:53.51 | SillyZ | ahh got it nm |
| 13:54.02 | Twiun | cool |
| 13:54.17 | NetAmp | Babelfish dislikes it |
| 13:54.17 | NetAmp | To test l?installation, open Shell and cr?ez two r?pertoires nomm?s jsearch and kopi in the r?pertoire/home/userdata: |
| 13:54.34 | Twiun | hence why I'm doing it by hand ;-) |
| 13:54.39 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 13:54.41 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 13:57.08 | Unify | anyone knows where to get NEWS FOR PDA services FREE just for Z? |
| 14:00.14 | Twiun | Unify: no idea |
| 14:01.50 | ZzzGogo | Unify: http://palm.netzeitung.de <-- german, though.... |
| 14:03.07 | Unify | thanks, but do you know any ENGLISH news website? |
| 14:05.30 | NetAmp | slashdot ;) |
| 14:05.48 | Unify | uh? |
| 14:06.03 | NetAmp | nah what about CNN |
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| 14:06.12 | NetAmp | don't they have that kind of stuff |
| 14:06.45 | Twiun | http://news.google.com |
| 14:06.56 | NetAmp | google to the rescue |
| 14:06.57 | Twiun | use that and search for pda |
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| 14:13.05 | Unify | thanks |
| 14:13.18 | Unify | but i really cant find wat i want... |
| 14:13.20 | Unify | sob sob |
| 14:13.33 | Twiun | ask later. when the US have logged in |
| 14:13.41 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 14:13.50 | Unify | "US"??? |
| 14:13.54 | NetAmp | US people |
| 14:13.55 | NetAmp | Unify: you need general headlines? |
| 14:14.15 | Twiun | NetAmp: So... have you thought of any incentives for my translation effort? |
| 14:14.51 | Unify | NetAmp: not really headlines, hope can provide details w/ headlines |
| 14:15.10 | NetAmp | Twium: well... I could find you a bunch of female slaves or something |
| 14:15.11 | NetAmp | :P |
| 14:15.17 | Unify | NetAmp: do you know any website that provides for Z? |
| 14:15.53 | NetAmp | you mean news about Z |
| 14:15.55 | Twiun | NetAmp: err... yeah, not too sure my gf would take too kindly to that |
| 14:16.04 | NetAmp | or pages especially formatted for viewing on Z? |
| 14:16.40 | Unify | NetAmp: pages especially formatted for viewing on Z? then download to Z and view it while on my way to work |
| 14:16.48 | NetAmp | hmm |
| 14:16.55 | NetAmp | something AvantGo-like |
| 14:17.07 | NetAmp | i dunno... maybe in the ZSI |
| 14:17.08 | SillyZ | ok I emailed the maintainer of the crosscompile howto with my mods |
| 14:17.17 | NetAmp | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 14:17.24 | NetAmp | could be something there I dunno.. |
| 14:17.31 | NetAmp | lots of apps anyway |
| 14:17.54 | NetAmp | searching for 'news' gets me 2 results |
| 14:18.31 | SillyZ | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=559 |
| 14:18.41 | NetAmp | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=683 |
| 14:18.44 | SillyZ | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=683 |
| 14:18.47 | NetAmp | hah ;) |
| 14:18.48 | SillyZ | heheh NetAmp |
| 14:18.55 | SillyZ | and theres always plucker |
| 14:19.00 | NetAmp | plucker? |
| 14:19.21 | SillyZ | aye but its intended for palmOS, not linux, but Im sure the conversion would be simple enuf |
| 14:20.40 | NetAmp | :-) |
| 14:23.21 | retsel | anyone here plugged a CF modem into a Z running openzaurus 3.0 and experienced a total Z lockup? I can't find any info in a FAQ or newsgroup archive. |
| 14:23.31 | Unify | Thanks NetAmp and SillyZ |
| 14:23.35 | NetAmp | :-) |
| 14:23.42 | SillyZ | np |
| 14:23.52 | Unify | now i downloading the plucker for windows |
| 14:24.06 | Unify | hope it can download to my Z 5500 |
| 14:24.19 | noidd | howdy all |
| 14:24.38 | retsel | can anyone tell me what OZ 3.0 is *supposed* to do when a CF modem is inserted, as compared to Sharp's ROMs? |
| 14:25.18 | SillyZ | the OZ rom has a problem with cards being inserted and removed |
| 14:25.33 | SillyZ | it does not update dynamically the total amount of free space, and what it thinks is on the card |
| 14:25.50 | SillyZ | the sharp rom, does recognize that change, although I know TheMasterMind1 was working on this problem a while ago |
| 14:26.28 | retsel | SillyZ: that problem *sounds* like it would apply only to CF memory cards, not modems/serial devices? |
| 14:27.13 | SillyZ | aye cf memory |
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| 14:27.25 | retsel | OZ 3.0 actually sees a "CF Modem/Serial Device" -- that pops up above the little card control task bar icon -- but then a few seconds later, hard lockup. |
| 14:27.28 | SillyZ | I dont have a modem/enet/serial device for the cf so I wouldnt know |
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| 14:29.32 | Twiun | retsel: ask in #openzaurus |
| 14:30.27 | retsel | Twiun[afk]: thanks |
| 14:39.09 | SillyZ | ahhh nothing like the smell of fresh CVS in the morning |
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| 14:40.25 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=763 |
| 14:40.30 | benmeyer | who bets it is java |
| 14:40.37 | benmeyer | stupid background |
| 14:40.51 | benmeyer | java developers always have to add colors or backgrounds |
| 14:40.52 | NetAmp | hah |
| 14:41.05 | benmeyer | makes them look like junk |
| 14:41.09 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 14:41.23 | NetAmp | yeah well |
| 14:41.26 | NetAmp | US$ 9.99 junk! |
| 14:41.28 | NetAmp | :P |
| 14:41.31 | benmeyer | that too |
| 14:41.32 | NetAmp | that's plain evil |
| 14:42.07 | ljp_work | just because you can.. doesnt mean you should |
| 14:42.14 | benmeyer | hehe it is java! |
| 14:42.16 | chouimat|zzz | benmeyer: maybe it's because they don't use java well ... damnit here we drink it |
| 14:42.23 | NetAmp | LJP is right |
| 14:42.34 | NetAmp | Just because you CAN hit your Zaurus with a golf stick |
| 14:42.38 | NetAmp | doesn't mean you should... |
| 14:42.51 | NetAmp | (I wonder whether that program shows how hard you hit it :S) |
| 14:43.14 | ljp_work | I tried a black background with a black foreground in konsole, but I ended up not seeing many commands I ran :) |
| 14:43.15 | SillyZ | that would be considered a G-Force based application, thus would be costly to develop |
| 14:43.16 | SillyZ | :P |
| 14:43.22 | SillyZ | hehehe |
| 14:43.29 | NetAmp | hah |
| 14:43.34 | NetAmp | lol, indeed |
| 14:43.43 | Unify | hi, NetAmp and SillyZ: why I can't use opera to view website? |
| 14:43.48 | NetAmp | Gyroscope Zaurus |
| 14:43.53 | chouimat|zzz | g-force? that stupid joystick ..? |
| 14:43.57 | NetAmp | Unify: are you on Windows XP? |
| 14:44.12 | Unify | NetAmp: yes i am using windows xp |
| 14:44.22 | NetAmp | then turn on Internet Connection Sharing |
| 14:44.32 | Unify | NetAmp: I am using the ICS |
| 14:44.36 | NetAmp | are you using the Z from the USB cradle? |
| 14:44.43 | Unify | NetAmp: yes |
| 14:44.46 | NetAmp | great |
| 14:45.03 | NetAmp | you can read my tutorial if you like ;) |
| 14:45.22 | Unify | NetAmp: :-( but can't download, can you send me yr tutorial? |
| 14:45.26 | NetAmp | yep |
| 14:45.33 | NetAmp | it's on OpenZaurus.org |
| 14:45.36 | NetAmp | under FAQ |
| 14:46.01 | NetAmp | i can't open that site now |
| 14:46.23 | SillyZ | where can I find the cvs for the openzaurus packages in the feeds? |
| 14:47.10 | elron | hi |
| 14:47.30 | elron | anyone who knows london a bit here ? |
| 14:47.33 | ljp_work | opie cvs? |
| 14:47.49 | ljp_work | I know london has a big clock, I think |
| 14:48.53 | elron | :) |
| 14:48.58 | elron | well |
| 14:49.14 | elron | I wanted to know the name of that place in london with so many hitech shops |
| 14:49.16 | elron | 5 |
| 14:49.34 | SillyZ | I just wish the damn tkc packages werent so expensive |
| 14:49.55 | SillyZ | theyve got some great apps, but damn their expensive |
| 14:50.07 | Unify | NetAmp: On the Zaurus command prompt type "route add default gw 192.168.129.1". ??? |
| 14:50.27 | Unify | NetAmp: if i follow the ICS default? 192.168.0.1? |
| 14:50.37 | Unify | NetAmp: if i follow the ICS default? 192.168.0.1? it is still working? |
| 14:50.52 | NetAmp | Unify: well, you gotta check your 2nd network interface |
| 14:51.01 | SillyZ | hes got the sharp-rom, with no CF |
| 14:51.01 | NetAmp | Unify: open a DOS/Command prompt |
| 14:51.08 | NetAmp | Unify: then type `ipconfig` |
| 14:51.14 | NetAmp | or use the Control panel |
| 14:51.29 | NetAmp | and view the properties of the Network connection your Zaurus is on |
| 14:51.29 | ljp_work | I miss having to fuss with memory managers with DOS |
| 14:51.58 | NetAmp | Unify: I set my PC to 192.168.129.1 |
| 14:52.12 | NetAmp | Unify: and left my Z on 192.168.129.201 |
| 14:52.15 | Unify | NetAmp: it is at 192.168.129.1 |
| 14:52.17 | NetAmp | Unify: so I could leave the Z on default |
| 14:52.23 | NetAmp | Unify: that's good then |
| 14:52.34 | NetAmp | can you ping 192.168.129.201? |
| 14:53.31 | Unify | NetAmp: yes |
| 14:53.35 | NetAmp | great |
| 14:53.43 | NetAmp | then add that route |
| 14:53.47 | NetAmp | on your Z |
| 14:53.59 | NetAmp | and put the DNS IPs in place |
| 14:54.12 | Unify | NetAmp: which DNS? my iSP? |
| 14:54.16 | NetAmp | yes your ISP |
| 14:54.37 | Unify | NetAmp: I have done that already |
| 14:54.41 | NetAmp | cool |
| 14:54.48 | Unify | NetAmp: all is IP address |
| 14:55.11 | NetAmp | you can ping a website now? |
| 14:55.16 | NetAmp | like www.google.com |
| 14:55.31 | Unify | NetAmp: you mean thr my windows or Z? |
| 14:55.37 | NetAmp | sorry, on your Z |
| 14:55.43 | Unify | NetAmp: how? |
| 14:56.32 | NetAmp | also from the command prompt |
| 14:57.18 | Unify | NetAmp: which one is called command prompt? i dun have any that is calling command prompt? |
| 14:57.42 | NetAmp | I thought you said you did route add default gw 192.168.129.1 |
| 14:57.46 | NetAmp | ? |
| 14:57.54 | NetAmp | or were you just reading it through first |
| 14:58.11 | NetAmp | There is a Console on the CD that came with your Zaurus |
| 14:58.25 | NetAmp | and there's a better one called Konsole |
| 14:58.38 | NetAmp | you're on Sharp ROM? |
| 14:58.50 | Unify | NetAmp: yes i'm on sharp ROM |
| 14:59.17 | NetAmp | there: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=385 |
| 14:59.57 | NetAmp | Unify: if you install that you'll have a good console app |
| 15:00.08 | SillyZ | damn! for all the tkc apps they have + the 25% discount its still 177.75 |
| 15:00.18 | SillyZ | could almost buy another Z for that price |
| 15:00.52 | NetAmp | whoa dude |
| 15:01.16 | SillyZ | no joke 177.75 for all their apps, and that dont include tckMail either as its not avialable right now |
| 15:01.28 | NetAmp | :-( |
| 15:01.51 | SillyZ | what'd really be kewl is a webmin type module for the Z like mandrake has |
| 15:02.10 | SillyZ | then again.... Mandrake Embedded... hmmmmm |
| 15:02.59 | ljp_work | heh |
| 15:03.01 | NetAmp | haha |
| 15:03.35 | NetAmp | hm it isn't the latest Embedded Konsole in OZ by default |
| 15:03.53 | SillyZ | it should be |
| 15:04.35 | NetAmp | no horizontal scrollbar |
| 15:05.03 | NetAmp | SillyZ: the new one has, http://www.handango.com/include/pictures/99176/konsole.jpg |
| 15:05.06 | ljp_work | is there a 'wrap' option in the menu? |
| 15:05.25 | NetAmp | nope |
| 15:05.30 | SillyZ | kewl |
| 15:05.50 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 15:05.57 | Unify | NetAmp: i'm have installed the terminal console |
| 15:06.00 | NetAmp | oh well I guess I can update it anyway |
| 15:06.07 | NetAmp | but maybe it's an idea to put it in OZ :) |
| 15:06.11 | ljp_work | should be on the options menu, if not, youmight want to update it |
| 15:06.11 | NetAmp | Unify: great |
| 15:06.12 | *** join/#zaurus andrius (~andrius@blynai.tamos.net) |
| 15:06.28 | Unify | NetAmp: so wat i should do now? |
| 15:06.47 | NetAmp | ljp_work: good idea |
| 15:07.05 | NetAmp | Unify: start konsole, add the route |
| 15:07.26 | NetAmp | OK it's a bit annoying to type using the stylus |
| 15:07.35 | Unify | it's okie for me |
| 15:07.43 | NetAmp | :-) |
| 15:07.48 | Unify | cause i want to learn new things |
| 15:07.59 | Unify | how to add the route? |
| 15:07.59 | NetAmp | yeah so do I :) |
| 15:08.04 | Unify | :-) |
| 15:08.08 | NetAmp | type what you see in the FAQ |
| 15:08.14 | NetAmp | route add default gw 192.168.129.1 |
| 15:08.33 | NetAmp | if the IP is indeed 192.168.129.1 on the PC/WinXP site |
| 15:08.36 | NetAmp | err.. side |
| 15:08.46 | NetAmp | it adds a gateway |
| 15:08.54 | NetAmp | so your Zaurus can use Internet Connection Sharing |
| 15:09.01 | NetAmp | when you're done |
| 15:09.07 | NetAmp | try pinging Google's IP |
| 15:09.20 | NetAmp | also like in the faq |
| 15:14.06 | Unify | NetAmp: it stated SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 15:14.22 | NetAmp | hmmm |
| 15:14.42 | NetAmp | are you sure it's connected properly? |
| 15:14.56 | NetAmp | did you get the icon in the Windows XP taskbar |
| 15:15.04 | NetAmp | when you plug in USB devices |
| 15:15.20 | NetAmp | it should show an extra network connection |
| 15:15.23 | Unify | NetAmp: can already |
| 15:15.25 | NetAmp | in the XP Control Panel |
| 15:15.41 | Unify | NetAmp: i check the 2 NIC it changed to 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:15.49 | Unify | NetAmp: then okie already |
| 15:15.56 | Unify | NetAmp: so wat should i do now? |
| 15:16.23 | NetAmp | uhm no |
| 15:16.32 | NetAmp | the IP on your Zaurus |
| 15:16.38 | NetAmp | have you left it default? |
| 15:16.43 | NetAmp | 192.168.129.201 |
| 15:16.46 | NetAmp | or changed it? |
| 15:17.59 | Unify | NetAmp: wait i check now |
| 15:18.01 | NetAmp | OK |
| 15:18.10 | NetAmp | if it's still 192.168.129.201 |
| 15:18.22 | NetAmp | then change the IP on your XP network connection |
| 15:18.27 | NetAmp | to 192.168.129.1 |
| 15:18.37 | NetAmp | (like in the first part of the FAQ) |
| 15:19.21 | Unify | ok, i have changed the route to 192.168.129.1 |
| 15:19.32 | NetAmp | cool |
| 15:19.45 | NetAmp | now you can ping Google? |
| 15:19.52 | NetAmp | ping 216.239.35.100 |
| 15:19.58 | Unify | yes i pinging rite now |
| 15:20.08 | NetAmp | :-) |
| 15:20.24 | NetAmp | ok now you just need to add DNS to be able to type in domain names in Opera |
| 15:20.42 | Unify | it give me somehthing liked ping 216.239.35.100 : 56 data bytes (halts there already) |
| 15:20.50 | NetAmp | oh |
| 15:20.53 | NetAmp | that's not good |
| 15:21.06 | NetAmp | ping your XP machine then |
| 15:21.17 | NetAmp | and/or ping your Zaurus from XP |
| 15:23.52 | Unify | from XP it stated ping timeout |
| 15:23.52 | NetAmp | that's quite strange... |
| 15:23.52 | NetAmp | it did add the route without problems? |
| 15:23.52 | Unify | can already |
| 15:23.53 | Unify | i resync then can already |
| 15:24.05 | NetAmp | ah |
| 15:24.26 | NetAmp | so you can ping now? |
| 15:25.45 | SillyZ | NetAmp: what are the most crucial areas of the Z to backup, say I wanna flash to opie, but may return to the sharp rom later, would like to retain all my apps, settings, etc which areas of the Z would be the most important to backup ?? |
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| 15:26.02 | Unify | i pinging the google again |
| 15:26.04 | NetAmp | hm good question |
| 15:26.09 | Unify | but it still stop thr |
| 15:26.54 | NetAmp | SillyZ: according to the linux gurus in here you should be able to back it up all at once |
| 15:26.57 | SillyZ | Ive tryed rsync, but when doing like /home it gaggs severly on a circular symlink |
| 15:27.16 | SillyZ | best method to back everything up then? |
| 15:27.50 | NetAmp | SillyZ: nut sure, I used QTopia desktop once but I'm not sure if it gets everything |
| 15:28.10 | Unify | NetAmp: so wat should i do now? |
| 15:28.38 | NetAmp | pining between Z and XP worked? |
| 15:28.44 | NetAmp | pinging |
| 15:29.29 | Unify | NetAmp: XP ping to Z can |
| 15:29.35 | NetAmp | hmm |
| 15:29.49 | Unify | NetAmp: Z to XP it already can, but it just halt there |
| 15:30.02 | NetAmp | ah maybe the firewall |
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| 15:30.23 | SillyZ | ahh theres Jason, maybe he knows |
| 15:30.30 | SillyZ | what are the most crucial areas of the Z to backup, say I wanna flash to opie, but may return to the sharp rom later, would like to retain all my apps, settings, etc which areas of the Z would be the most important to backup ?? |
| 15:31.04 | JasonNJ | that would be /home |
| 15:31.24 | SillyZ | ok how about the circular link in /home then... how do ya get around that one ? |
| 15:31.28 | NetAmp | Unify: ICS turns on the firewall by default, on Windows |
| 15:31.29 | Unify | NetAmp: i allows the net address of that to pass thr the firewall |
| 15:31.38 | NetAmp | which firewall |
| 15:31.42 | NetAmp | the XP firewall? |
| 15:31.49 | NetAmp | or do you have another one running |
| 15:31.52 | Unify | NetAmp: norton internet sercurity |
| 15:31.52 | SillyZ | I belive its /home/QtPalmtop/help/en |
| 15:32.14 | NetAmp | Unify: OK, well XP has its own firewall |
| 15:32.31 | NetAmp | Unify: which goes on when you setup Internet Connection Sharing |
| 15:32.59 | NetAmp | you can check it |
| 15:33.03 | NetAmp | in your Control Panel |
| 15:33.08 | NetAmp | Network |
| 15:34.00 | NetAmp | then go to the properties of your 1st network connection |
| 15:34.11 | NetAmp | (not the USB one that the Z is on) |
| 15:34.18 | NetAmp | and click the Advanced tab |
| 15:34.32 | NetAmp | probably the Internet Connection Firewall is on |
| 15:34.51 | NetAmp | I had some problems with that on my LAN |
| 15:37.33 | SillyZ | well that answers that silly question /home/QtPalmtop/help/en is linked to -> . |
| 15:37.33 | SillyZ | very nice, is this even necessary ?? |
| 15:38.31 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 15:39.09 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth, not sure if I mentioned it last night, but I tested jeodcreator 2.0 and it works perfectly as far as I can ttell. |
| 15:39.21 | Com[Plex] | wich reminds me, I was going to update zsi |
| 15:39.24 | Com[Plex] | www.killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 15:39.30 | JasonNJ | shweet. |
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| 15:40.17 | JasonNJ | are you guys ripping it from the zaurus or ripping it from the ROM |
| 15:40.50 | Com[Plex] | this one rips from the zaurus. |
| 15:41.07 | JasonNJ | nifty. |
| 15:42.25 | Com[Plex] | I assumed it was the safest bet.. as far as legality is concerned. however, i could probably make one just as easily that mounts the romimmage under linux and get it from there. |
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| 15:42.47 | Com[Plex] | but anypone who klnows how to un tar.gz an ipk could just get the list of filees from it and do it themselves |
| 15:42.51 | JasonNJ | actually probably better that you do it from the zaurus |
| 15:43.00 | JasonNJ | cause some end users use windows boxes |
| 15:43.11 | JasonNJ | actually probably most of them |
| 15:43.38 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 15:44.17 | SillyZ | anyone have a generic template for building apps for the Z ? |
| 15:44.25 | NetAmp | Unify: found it? |
| 15:44.26 | Com[Plex] | yeah. me too actually. I only use vmware to use redhat on my windows box. works perfectly for what I need it for |
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| 15:45.23 | Unify | NetAmp: still cannot |
| 15:45.37 | Unify | NetAmp: now worst, cannot ping my Z |
| 15:46.18 | NetAmp | :S |
| 15:46.41 | NetAmp | hm turn your Z off and on |
| 15:46.50 | NetAmp | so it reconnects with XP |
| 15:49.34 | Unify | suspend it? |
| 15:49.39 | NetAmp | yes |
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| 15:50.13 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:50.18 | NetAmp | mornin' |
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| 15:50.22 | dordoka | afternoon :D |
| 15:51.03 | Piete | Hey all :D |
| 15:51.08 | NetAmp | hi |
| 15:51.18 | dordoka | whassssup! |
| 15:51.24 | NetAmp | wazzzaaaa |
| 15:51.33 | Unify | NetAmp: i restart already |
| 15:51.45 | Unify | now it state network is unreachable |
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| 15:51.56 | NetAmp | weird |
| 15:52.12 | NetAmp | did you get that sound and icon in XP that the Z is connected? |
| 15:52.17 | Unify | NetAmp: i disable XP firewall, I allow sharing |
| 15:52.27 | NetAmp | that should be good... |
| 15:54.08 | SillyZ | www.practicallynetworked.com |
| 15:54.14 | SillyZ | good site for setting up a small homelan |
| 15:54.26 | dordoka | O__o |
| 15:54.59 | Unify | at home i already have ICS so i think it's okie w/o refering |
| 15:55.08 | Unify | thanks, hee hee |
| 15:55.51 | NetAmp | so your PC is "directly" on the internet? |
| 15:55.55 | NetAmp | and others share it? |
| 15:58.25 | Unify | my PC is connected to the internet, it is act as a ICS for my other computer |
| 15:58.28 | Unify | hee hee |
| 15:58.38 | NetAmp | hmm |
| 16:00.18 | SillyZ | NetAmp: is it possible to add a default shell like 'bash' to the .profile in /home/root ? |
| 16:00.28 | SillyZ | ie: SHELL=/usr/bin/bash |
| 16:00.41 | NetAmp | i guess, if you install it |
| 16:00.59 | NetAmp | i'm not the linux guru here ;) |
| 16:01.24 | SillyZ | well the default shell that comes with the embeddedkonsole dosent have auto-tab completion |
| 16:01.29 | SillyZ | tis why I was asking |
| 16:01.37 | Piete | iptables is awesome for sharing internet,, none of the ICS crap involved :) |
| 16:01.55 | NetAmp | indeed |
| 16:02.04 | NetAmp | just type 1 line to add the gateway |
| 16:02.05 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 16:02.32 | NetAmp | but I don't get why Unify can't ping his Z now |
| 16:03.24 | Unify | or should i print screen to show you wat is my configure? |
| 16:04.05 | NetAmp | you could |
| 16:04.30 | NetAmp | it should work as soon as you set up the IP's correctly.. |
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| 16:07.54 | SillyZ | now theres a decent backup proggie |
| 16:08.03 | SillyZ | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=496 |
| 16:08.41 | Unify | NetAmp: i tried to restart my com, see if any different |
| 16:08.45 | Unify | see you in a while |
| 16:09.11 | NetAmp | WinXP keeps puzzling me :P |
| 16:09.38 | Com[Plex] | I use this backup program. ; dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/initrd.bin bs=1024 |
| 16:09.43 | NetAmp | hah ;) |
| 16:09.50 | NetAmp | simple yet efficient |
| 16:09.51 | SillyZ | hmmmm |
| 16:09.57 | elron | hey |
| 16:10.00 | NetAmp | hi |
| 16:10.03 | elron | :) |
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| 16:10.11 | NetAmp | wb |
| 16:10.14 | SillyZ | how big of a img file ya end up with Com[Plex]?? |
| 16:10.16 | Com[Plex] | the only problem, is that when i restore with one of these images, when its done restoreing, the lights blink., they dont shut off/. |
| 16:10.47 | Com[Plex] | makes me nervous, but it seems to have worked perfectly for the passed 7 or 8 times that I have done it. |
| 16:10.56 | Com[Plex] | sillyz, 14mb I thinkl.. let me check |
| 16:11.06 | SillyZ | k |
| 16:11.12 | elron | well |
| 16:11.29 | elron | I'm actually trying to acquire a Z, however i have no idea of where and how |
| 16:11.29 | SillyZ | hmmmmmm |
| 16:11.40 | NetAmp | elron: where are you located? |
| 16:11.42 | SillyZ | this backup proggie I downloaded and installed seems to be rather efficent imho |
| 16:11.43 | elron | paris |
| 16:12.00 | elron | a roundabout trip to london is $200 during the month of december |
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| 16:12.07 | NetAmp | elron: maybe you could order one from outpost.com like I did.. |
| 16:12.15 | elron | outpost.com ? |
| 16:12.17 | NetAmp | unless they've cancelled it |
| 16:13.01 | SillyZ | Com[Plex]: check out http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=496 |
| 16:13.02 | Com[Plex] | 14811136 bytes |
| 16:13.11 | SillyZ | 7mb file is what I ended up with |
| 16:13.19 | NetAmp | elron: but maybe there's a better place for you to get it... i don't know |
| 16:13.26 | elron | well |
| 16:13.28 | elron | the point is |
| 16:13.35 | elron | I am currently looking for such a place |
| 16:13.36 | SillyZ | after its backed up, mv the .bck file to .tgz and untar/gz it |
| 16:13.39 | NetAmp | elron: at the time I got it, outpost.com was the only one to ship it to Holland for a reasonable price |
| 16:14.47 | Com[Plex] | sillyz. this backup method I use, backs up the entire rom, so when I want to restore, all I have to do is re flash |
| 16:15.04 | SillyZ | Com[Plex]: aye true |
| 16:15.05 | elron | it says "product is on back order" |
| 16:15.07 | NetAmp | SillyZ: :S |
| 16:15.13 | NetAmp | elron: oh :-( |
| 16:15.22 | elron | this means they do not have any in sotck and wait for consumers to order it to sharp, right ? |
| 16:15.39 | NetAmp | elron: well, Jason says they're cancelling it |
| 16:15.46 | NetAmp | elron: off the retail market |
| 16:15.46 | Com[Plex] | wich is great, because Im flashing back and forth between the sharp rom and fresh oz alot lately. and I dont want to lose my old configs, sowhen IM done working on whatever, I can re flash to my regular rom backup. |
| 16:15.56 | Com[Plex] | and have all my stuff pre installed :> |
| 16:15.57 | SillyZ | aye |
| 16:16.17 | SillyZ | maybe ill have to use your method, as I would like to work on OZ but due to instability Im forced to stay with the sharp rom |
| 16:16.20 | NetAmp | elron: so I'm not sure who will still sell you one |
| 16:16.35 | elron | why are they « cancelling it » ? |
| 16:16.44 | Com[Plex] | instability? have you tried oz3 yet? |
| 16:16.50 | NetAmp | elron: That's what they said |
| 16:16.56 | elron | who ? |
| 16:17.01 | NetAmp | elron: Sharp |
| 16:17.06 | elron | oh |
| 16:17.10 | elron | is there a reason ? |
| 16:17.21 | Com[Plex] | sillyz., what have you had problems with exactrly? |
| 16:17.24 | NetAmp | Well apparently there's not enough end-user/consumer interest |
| 16:17.34 | elron | this is a shame |
| 16:17.36 | NetAmp | JasonNJ: ping? |
| 16:18.00 | SillyZ | Com[Plex]: I have /dev/ram1 /dev/mtdblock1 and /dev/hda1 |
| 16:18.07 | SillyZ | do I need to include the /dev/ram1 ? |
| 16:18.37 | Com[Plex] | sillyz, in what? |
| 16:19.01 | Com[Plex] | are you on the sharp rom right now? |
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| 16:19.30 | NetAmp | hmm |
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| 16:19.46 | SillyZ | aye |
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| 16:19.48 | phoen][x | aloha guys |
| 16:19.52 | SillyZ | on sharp rom right now |
| 16:20.02 | NetAmp | Com[Plex]: he probably should because OSPACK includes everything, right? |
| 16:20.27 | NetAmp | phoen][x: sweet ;) |
| 16:20.42 | SillyZ | I suppose I could reflash with OSPACK and then just do a data-restore although Id have to confirm that additionall apps, libs, etc are in the backup file first |
| 16:21.01 | SillyZ | wow |
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| 16:21.11 | SillyZ | I ended up with a 34mb file Com[Plex] |
| 16:21.13 | Unify | hi NetAmp |
| 16:21.14 | SillyZ | on the dd |
| 16:21.18 | Unify | hai |
| 16:21.20 | NetAmp | Unify: hey |
| 16:21.23 | Unify | still cannot |
| 16:21.26 | NetAmp | :-( |
| 16:21.34 | elron | phoen][x: btw, could you tell me where you got it from ? |
| 16:21.56 | NetAmp | Unify: have you used Qtopia Desktop yet? |
| 16:22.07 | NetAmp | Unify: if that works you should be able to ping |
| 16:22.27 | phoen][x | elron: www.guenstiger.de :) |
| 16:22.41 | Unify | XP can ping Z |
| 16:22.43 | phoen][x | so, which USB module do i need? |
| 16:23.09 | Piete | phoen][x: usbdnet |
| 16:23.18 | phoen][x | merci |
| 16:23.36 | Piete | phoen][x: go to zauruszone.com/howto, it has a link to the download for the module |
| 16:23.43 | NetAmp | elron: that's the German version 5500G |
| 16:25.04 | SillyZ | Com[Plex]: Looks like that lil backup proggie is quite usefull, looks like it got all the apps, libs, etc |
| 16:25.29 | phoen][x | Piete: oh its not in the vanilla kernel.org sources yet? |
| 16:25.57 | Piete | phoen][x: no :// that sucks,, it prevents me from trying out 2.5, or 2.4.20 |
| 16:26.24 | phoen][x | Piete: it doesnt work with .20? |
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| 16:26.45 | NetAmp | hiya warmi, how's life ;) |
| 16:26.50 | warmi | hi |
| 16:26.57 | warmi | not bad |
| 16:26.57 | Piete | phoen][x: I can't find a patch for it (yet) |
| 16:27.02 | NetAmp | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.17 | phoen][x | Piete: btw zauruszone.com/howto doesnt work |
| 16:27.31 | elron | well |
| 16:27.40 | warmi | NetAmp: still like your Z ( hehehehe) |
| 16:27.43 | warmi | ? |
| 16:27.43 | Com[Plex] | uh... |
| 16:27.54 | NetAmp | warmi: yeah ;) only OZ is a bit unstable |
| 16:28.04 | Com[Plex] | sillyz,, what dcommand did you run to ghet a 34mb file? |
| 16:28.11 | warmi | OZ or OPIE ? |
| 16:28.16 | NetAmp | warmi: but I like the theme stuff they did and Opie Player 2 is cool even though beta |
| 16:28.19 | NetAmp | warmi: OpenZaurus |
| 16:28.21 | Piete | phoen][x: go to zauruszone.com/howtos : sorry, my bad |
| 16:28.21 | SillyZ | same command you posted only modified for /dev/mtdram1 instead of 4 |
| 16:28.26 | Com[Plex] | sorry, I was afk, teaching my students how to make a snowflake |
| 16:28.43 | NetAmp | warmi: I got a bit bored with the boxed Sharp ROM ;) |
| 16:28.46 | elron | phoen][x: do they chip to other european countries ? |
| 16:28.50 | warmi | well, there is only one dude working on part-time it while embedix had entire team of engineers working on theirs full time |
| 16:28.53 | phoen][x | Piete: http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/patches/usbdnet-2.4.20-patch.gz |
| 16:29.02 | Unify | NetAmp: should i configure the gateway for Z?? |
| 16:29.24 | NetAmp | Unify: first you need a working network connection between Windows XP and your Z |
| 16:29.24 | Piete | phoen][x: awesome, thanks :D |
| 16:29.27 | Com[Plex] | well silly, mtdram1 is like the root of it all. including cf, sd and other mounted stuff. thats not what I said tho, I said dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 |
| 16:29.28 | phoen][x | elron: hmm, guenstiger.de only gives you the cheapest reseller. it's up to the reseller where to ship |
| 16:29.29 | Com[Plex] | mtdblock54 |
| 16:29.32 | Com[Plex] | not ram |
| 16:29.43 | phoen][x | Piete: i shall apply it and try it :) |
| 16:29.47 | phoen][x | Linux gravity 2.4.20-mjc1 #1 Sat Nov 30 18:34:00 CET 2002 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 16:29.57 | elron | hmm |
| 16:30.12 | Unify | NetAmp: my XP can ping Z, but weird is I can't ping 192.168.129.1 |
| 16:30.18 | Sim[Plex] | I gotta stop trying ti chat on irc threough vnc |
| 16:30.37 | Unify | NetAmp: if i can ping that, it should be all rite>? is it true? |
| 16:30.44 | NetAmp | Unify: hm that is strange indeed |
| 16:30.47 | warmi | "AuthenticAMD" uh ,, |
| 16:30.51 | warmi | are ther ADM clones ? |
| 16:31.01 | warmi | I mean AMD clones |
| 16:31.05 | NetAmp | Unify: does your Qtopia Desktop sync connect? |
| 16:31.10 | NetAmp | Unify: or don't you have that installed |
| 16:31.11 | SillyZ | hmmm seems the sharp rom has a few problems handling tar cvfz |
| 16:31.46 | Unify | NetAmp: yes |
| 16:31.56 | Sim[Plex] | well yeah, it doesnt do the c, or the v iirc |
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| 16:32.08 | NetAmp | Unify: if that works then you should be able to ping XP I guess... |
| 16:32.09 | Sim[Plex] | something like that |
| 16:32.09 | Unify | NetAmp: normally how long does it need to load a page from Z? |
| 16:32.17 | Sim[Plex] | hell, I gotta run. duty calls |
| 16:32.19 | Sim[Plex] | be back later |
| 16:32.20 | NetAmp | Unify: you mean with Opera? |
| 16:32.24 | Unify | NetAmp: yes |
| 16:32.28 | NetAmp | Unify: not so long depending on your internet speed |
| 16:32.37 | NetAmp | connection speed even |
| 16:32.49 | phoen][x | Piete: < > USB Safe Serial (Encapsulated) Driver (EXPERIMENTAL) (NEW) <- right? |
| 16:33.08 | NetAmp | Unify: but when you added that route |
| 16:33.20 | NetAmp | Unify: you should be able to go to the IP already |
| 16:33.28 | NetAmp | Unify: or ping it |
| 16:34.04 | ljp_work | phoenix: nope thats an old one |
| 16:34.05 | Piete | phoen][x: erm, dunno |
| 16:34.11 | Piete | phoen][x: don't think so |
| 16:34.49 | phoen][x | Piete: looks good though (from what http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html says) |
| 16:35.00 | phoen][x | Piete: i'll simply try it. |
| 16:35.14 | SillyZ | actually theres a couple a errors on that |
| 16:35.27 | SillyZ | first ya dont need to delete the host on the Z |
| 16:35.29 | Piete | phoen][x: it works pretty good here |
| 16:35.35 | phoen][x | with .20? |
| 16:35.47 | Piete | phoen][x: I still use .18 |
| 16:35.55 | phoen][x | i use .20 :/ |
| 16:36.05 | Piete | phoen][x: it will be the same, don't worry :) |
| 16:36.38 | Piete | phoen][x: Slackware does not have USB hotplug, so I have to manually run a little homebrew script to connect to the zaurus each time I insert it |
| 16:36.52 | SillyZ | Com[Plex]: which oz rom ya think would be the best for maximum room to store applications, yet still ahve enuf room to run things ??? |
| 16:37.05 | Unify | NetAmp: Z can ping 192.168.129.1 |
| 16:37.10 | NetAmp | Unify: cool :D |
| 16:37.15 | Unify | NetAmp: so wat i should do now? |
| 16:37.17 | NetAmp | can it also ping Google? |
| 16:37.26 | NetAmp | ping 216.239.35.100 |
| 16:37.31 | SillyZ | ping yahoo.com |
| 16:37.31 | NetAmp | or another IP |
| 16:37.35 | phoen][x | Piete: and i bet you dont use gcc3.2 :) |
| 16:37.36 | SillyZ | see if ya get resolution |
| 16:37.44 | NetAmp | no not yahoo.com cause |
| 16:37.48 | NetAmp | he didn't fill in DNS yet |
| 16:37.49 | Piete | phoen][x: not yet |
| 16:37.51 | SillyZ | ah |
| 16:37.53 | NetAmp | Or did you ? |
| 16:37.57 | phoen][x | Piete: i do |
| 16:38.05 | Piete | phoen][x: what distro? |
| 16:38.14 | Piete | mdk 9? :P |
| 16:39.01 | NetAmp | Unify: if that works then you should be able to open it in Opera also |
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| 16:40.02 | phoen][x | Piete: gentoo |
| 16:40.06 | Unify | NetAmp: still cannot ping the google |
| 16:40.11 | NetAmp | weird |
| 16:40.17 | phoen][x | okay, i hacked the source. lets try to run it :) |
| 16:40.26 | chouimat | phoen][x: what the problem? |
| 16:40.26 | Unify | NetAmp: i readd the route |
| 16:40.32 | NetAmp | Unify: do you know your DNS numbers? |
| 16:40.35 | Unify | NetAmp: still cannot |
| 16:40.40 | Unify | yes of course |
| 16:40.44 | Unify | okie |
| 16:40.48 | phoen][x | chouimat: safe_serial.c:421: (near initialization for `safe_device.num_interrupt_in') |
| 16:40.50 | Unify | why not you check for me |
| 16:40.56 | Unify | can i private msg u |
| 16:41.01 | NetAmp | sure |
| 16:41.19 | phoen][x | chouimat: i patched 2.4.20-mjc1 with the usbdnet patch and it breaks. |
| 16:42.07 | phoen][x | it loaded up |
| 16:42.22 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: dont use usbdnet, its crap |
| 16:43.02 | phoen][x | kergoth`zzz: what should i use instead? |
| 16:43.11 | chouimat | phoen][x: I use usbnet here on gentoo (2.4.20-xfs) |
| 16:43.13 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: usbnet |
| 16:43.14 | SillyZ | what filesystem does the CF need for flashing? Fat12 or 16 ? |
| 16:43.20 | kergoth`zzz | SillyZ: 16 |
| 16:43.23 | SillyZ | thanks |
| 16:43.33 | phoen][x | kergoth`zzz, chouimat: standard kernel? |
| 16:43.45 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: yep. just patch it to add zaurus support to the existing usbnet driver |
| 16:43.46 | chouimat | phoen][x: need a patch |
| 16:43.57 | phoen][x | could you give me an url? |
| 16:45.13 | SillyZ | anyone know if the CF size issue has been resolved in Oz ? |
| 16:45.47 | kergoth`zzz | SillyZ: hmm? |
| 16:45.50 | kergoth`zzz | SillyZ: what cf size issue? |
| 16:46.12 | NetAmp | not only size, CF issue even |
| 16:46.14 | SillyZ | incorrectly reporting the amount of free space on the CF and what is actually on the CF |
| 16:46.19 | kergoth`zzz | CF ossie |
| 16:46.22 | kergoth`zzz | CF issue? |
| 16:46.26 | kergoth`zzz | I have no reports of any CF issues. |
| 16:46.32 | kergoth`zzz | if you have one, report it. |
| 16:46.32 | NetAmp | is detects the CF again every time I turn it on again |
| 16:46.36 | SillyZ | Ill be more than happy to give ya one :) |
| 16:46.41 | kergoth`zzz | yes, thats the resume issue, its harmless |
| 16:46.49 | kergoth`zzz | adds a resume delay, doesnt disrupt functionality |
| 16:46.49 | NetAmp | also, the clock isn't persistent |
| 16:47.01 | NetAmp | but isn't that a general problem? |
| 16:47.11 | NetAmp | that it doesn't keep the time/date settings on reboot |
| 16:47.14 | kergoth`zzz | clock is already fixed |
| 16:47.27 | NetAmp | cool, so it'll be in the next release? |
| 16:47.29 | SillyZ | kergoth`zzz: ill have a bug report for ya here in a few min |
| 16:47.29 | kergoth`zzz | just sit and wait for me to finish tweaking that |
| 16:47.30 | kergoth`zzz | yes |
| 16:47.35 | kergoth`zzz | it will be in 3.1rc1 |
| 16:47.39 | kergoth`zzz | and 3.1 itself of course |
| 16:47.40 | NetAmp | sweet :) |
| 16:47.44 | NetAmp | you're the best, ghehe |
| 16:47.44 | SillyZ | whens 3.1rc1 due out ? |
| 16:48.42 | kergoth`zzz | it'll be a while yet |
| 16:48.47 | retsel | I'm going to try this again. Apologies to anyone who saw this several hours ago when the channel was far less active: |
| 16:48.48 | retsel | anyone here plugged a CF modem into a Z running openzaurus 3.0 and experienced a total Z lockup? I can't find any info in a FAQ or newsgroup archive. OZ 3.0 actually sees a "CF Modem/Serial Device" -- that pops up above the little card control task bar icon -- but then a few seconds later, hard lockup. |
| 16:48.48 | kergoth`zzz | we just ran into a -really- really ugly problem |
| 16:48.48 | *** part/#zaurus XavierXeon (~mr_x@p50877A8E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:48.54 | kergoth`zzz | and we have no idea where the problem lies |
| 16:49.30 | NetAmp | eh oh |
| 16:51.08 | mark | kergoth`zzz: irc'ing in ur sleep.. impresive :) |
| 16:51.12 | SillyZ | prolly gonna end up installing mandrake fresh today |
| 16:51.16 | warmi | mark: heheh |
| 16:51.18 | SillyZ | kdevelop is hosed |
| 16:51.28 | mark | SillyZ: i'm just about to install mandrake |
| 16:51.36 | kergoth`zzz | retsel: already reported, already fixed |
| 16:51.49 | kergoth`zzz | retsel: and if you'd search the openzaurus-users mailing list archives, you'd have seen teh solution |
| 16:51.58 | warmi | I found kdevelop to be cumbersome trying to develop apps for the Zaurus ( Qtopia) |
| 16:52.00 | kergoth`zzz | retsel: upgrade to the latest oz-base package from the unstable feed |
| 16:52.32 | SillyZ | mdk rocks |
| 16:52.36 | retsel | kergoth`zzz: thanks, sorry for bothering you w/something already fixed. |
| 16:52.36 | ZzzGogo | cumbersome = good or bad? |
| 16:53.02 | kergoth`zzz | retsel: no problem, i dont mind people asking about thigns that are fixed, as they dont know their fixed until they ask. but in the future please check the mailing list archives, perhaps even subscribe |
| 16:53.14 | warmi | ZzzGogo: akward |
| 16:53.18 | warmi | bad :-) |
| 16:53.47 | warmi | their idea of project seem to revolve around automake and all that related crap |
| 16:54.00 | elron | hmm, what will happen to the zaurus if Sharp deprecates it ? |
| 16:54.16 | warmi | elron: I guess the same thing that happened to Agenda :-) |
| 16:54.31 | phoen][x | kergoth`zzz: which kernel do you use? |
| 16:55.00 | warmi | on the other hand they seem to be switching away from consumer market to corporate/business market |
| 16:55.07 | warmi | not killing it outright |
| 16:55.09 | warmi | who knows |
| 16:55.09 | retsel | kergoth`zzz: do you maintain the openzaurus-users mailing list? If so, would you mind if I added it to MARC (http://marc.10east.com/) which we run? If not, who should I ask for permission? |
| 16:55.33 | kergoth`zzz | retsel: certainly |
| 16:55.37 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: on my desktop? |
| 16:56.08 | phoen][x | kergoth`zzz: on the machine the zaurus is connected to |
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| 16:56.53 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: 2.4.20-rc1 still. will be switching to 2.4.20 w/ xfs, same as chouimat, shortly |
| 16:57.16 | chouimat | back |
| 16:57.36 | phoen][x | kergoth`zzz: where did he found the patch? the only patches i find are for .20-pre{7,11} or 2.5.X |
| 16:57.46 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: ask him |
| 16:57.48 | Piete | anyone know if that ext3 data corruption bug in 2.4.20 is fixed yet? |
| 16:57.48 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: ;) |
| 16:57.54 | chouimat | phoen][x: oss.sgi.com |
| 16:58.02 | SillyZ | brb |
| 16:58.08 | treke|home | ext3 data corruption? |
| 16:58.21 | phoen][x | chouimat: the xfs sources include the zaurus patch? |
| 16:58.30 | chouimat | no |
| 16:58.47 | phoen][x | chouimat: so where to get the patch? |
| 16:58.47 | *** part/#zaurus elron (~elrond@xbsd.org) |
| 16:59.01 | treke|home | phoen][x: just use the -pre11 patch |
| 16:59.11 | treke|home | stands a good chance of working |
| 16:59.25 | Piete | treke|home: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/03/0411219&mode=thread&tid=128 |
| 16:59.28 | phoen][x | treke|home: reverse patch detected |
| 16:59.43 | phoen][x | chouimat: or did you patch it by hand? |
| 17:00.08 | chouimat | phoen][x: I have the usbnet24-1108 patches and the xfs patche for 2.4.20 |
| 17:00.49 | Piete | anyway |
| 17:00.51 | Piete | its too late |
| 17:00.53 | Piete | Nite |
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| 17:01.07 | chouimat | wow! what a weird name marc-boris st-maurice!!!! |
| 17:01.27 | ljp_work | ya its a French name :) |
| 17:01.42 | chouimat | ljp_work: even for a French name it's sucks |
| 17:01.49 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 17:03.33 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 17:03.41 | NetAmp | oui oui |
| 17:03.51 | NetAmp | je m'apelle Pingizauru |
| 17:04.05 | NetAmp | hah |
| 17:04.15 | NetAmp | Pingizauru doesn't sound so bad in French :P |
| 17:04.39 | kergoth`zzz | hm, surprising, oz is still around 4 megs without qt or opie installed |
| 17:05.13 | phoen][x | chouimat: and where did you get the usbnet24-1108 patches? |
| 17:05.33 | phoen][x | chouimat: sorry dcc doesnt work over here (firewall) |
| 17:05.50 | phoen][x | chouimat: could you mail them to phoenix@gentoo.org please? |
| 17:06.25 | chouimat | phoen][x: any problem in upgrading glibc 2.2.5 to 2.3.1 on gentoo? |
| 17:06.59 | phoen][x | chouimat: i did not run into any (that doesnt mean anything though) |
| 17:08.38 | NetAmp|dinner | bbl |
| 17:08.57 | chouimat | phoen][x: ok send. |
| 17:09.02 | phoen][x | ty |
| 17:09.19 | phoen][x | maybe i should convinve mjc to put them into his sources |
| 17:09.29 | phoen][x | s/convinve/convince/; |
| 17:09.47 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: they're already in greg k-h's trees, i'm sure they'll be pushed upstream :) |
| 17:10.00 | phoen][x | kergoth`zzz: they really should |
| 17:10.07 | kergoth`zzz | indeed |
| 17:11.52 | chouimat | phoen][x: I have included the xfs patch to |
| 17:12.26 | chouimat | phoen][x: work well |
| 17:12.50 | phoen][x | even with preempt/lowlatency? |
| 17:13.18 | chouimat | phoen][x: didn't try it much on 2.4 |
| 17:13.49 | phoen][x | i ran xfs until i found out that you cant shrink xfs partitions. really bloaty. |
| 17:14.57 | chouimat | phoen][x: I don't have preempt in my kerbel sourcetree so I can't said, but under 2.5.47 seems to work well |
| 17:15.23 | ljp_work | well, if you love it somuch, why not marry it? |
| 17:16.01 | bipolar | ljp_work: my wife would disaprove... |
| 17:17.26 | ljp_work | oh.. you're not Morman? :) |
| 17:17.59 | phoen][x | chouimat: no mail received yet - did it bounce somewhere? |
| 17:18.02 | bipolar | ljp_work: uh... no. :) |
| 17:18.29 | chouimat | phoen][x: don't know xfs patch is 828kb |
| 17:19.22 | ljp_work | I hear them Morman women are really great :) |
| 17:21.10 | bipolar | ljp_work: I thought that they had to marry many of them to make up for how bad they are..... :) |
| 17:21.17 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 17:21.30 | ljp_work | oh, but they share |
| 17:22.08 | ZzzGogo | aids? |
| 17:22.23 | ljp_work | no |
| 17:22.28 | phoen][x | chouimat: patches are here. one hunk failed but it seems to be unserious. |
| 17:24.00 | chouimat | phoen][x: in which patch? |
| 17:24.06 | phoen][x | usbnet |
| 17:24.10 | chouimat | ok |
| 17:24.43 | phoen][x | if the box locks up, it was the patch :) |
| 17:24.56 | chouimat | lol |
| 17:26.10 | phoen][x | CDCEther.c: eth1: Sharp SL Series |
| 17:26.10 | phoen][x | CDCEther.c: eth1: 40:00:02:00:00:01 |
| 17:26.13 | phoen][x | impressive |
| 17:26.26 | kergoth`zzz | er, remove CDCEther :) |
| 17:26.36 | phoen][x | *sniff* okay |
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| 17:26.45 | tboc | hi |
| 17:27.10 | phoen][x | usb0: register usbnet usb-00:07.2-1, Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00 |
| 17:27.18 | ZzzGogo | hallo tboc |
| 17:27.22 | phoen][x | okay, /me reads up how to configure the network |
| 17:27.27 | ZzzGogo | uhmm.. hi |
| 17:27.30 | tboc | =) |
| 17:27.37 | ZzzGogo | *g* |
| 17:27.46 | ZzzGogo | telekom dsl :) |
| 17:28.14 | tboc | btw. is it possible to tell the prism-wlan-driver to use just 1 or 5 mbit/s? |
| 17:28.28 | phoen][x | kergoth`zzz: oh i simply "ifconfig usb0"? |
| 17:28.32 | phoen][x | man thats neat |
| 17:28.33 | kergoth`zzz | yep |
| 17:28.46 | kergoth`zzz | if you use hotplug, its all handled for ya |
| 17:29.17 | hotplug | :)))) |
| 17:29.27 | Twiun | you're THAT desperate for a hug? |
| 17:29.35 | kergoth`zzz | lol |
| 17:29.36 | CrazyGogo | oh yes... |
| 17:29.46 | CrazyGogo | just lost my girlfriend :( |
| 17:29.55 | CrazyGogo | but the Z is coming!!! *gg* |
| 17:30.06 | tboc | hmm.. how do i tell the progs to use a proxy when connecting to the internet? |
| 17:30.40 | CrazyGogo | depends on the program |
| 17:31.25 | tboc | CrazyGogo: ok, so there's no way to specify this in the general network settings? |
| 17:32.04 | CrazyGogo | general? take the proxy's ip instead if the standard gateway? must hahve a properly configured proxy, though |
| 17:32.41 | tboc | CrazyGogo: won't work in my case because i use DHCP |
| 17:33.04 | tboc | CrazyGogo: k, then how do i tell for example opie-irc or aqpkg to use a proxy? :) |
| 17:33.13 | phoen][x | kergoth`zzz: hotplug? |
| 17:33.21 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: hotplug. |
| 17:33.47 | CrazyGogo | tboc: i am eagerly awaiting my Z... its supposed to be here tomorrow... so pleeze ask stuff like that a week later *ggg* |
| 17:34.39 | tboc | CrazyGogo: k *g* |
| 17:35.31 | SillyZ | aye quite intresting that oz is only 4mb on /dev/mtdblock4 |
| 17:36.29 | SillyZ | the opie-update package is quite nice, fire and forget basically and everythings updated |
| 17:36.45 | phoen][x | kergoth`zzz: will hotplug also take care of the gateway? |
| 17:37.24 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: depends on distro. hotplug makes events occur on attach/detach of a usb device.. in my distro it does |
| 17:37.41 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: in debian it simply calls ifup usb0, and i configure usb0 appropriately in the distro's network interface configuration file |
| 17:42.35 | phoen][x | ah i see |
| 17:47.00 | phoen][x | kergoth`zzz: but i do need CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI for that? |
| 17:47.08 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: no, thats pci hotplug |
| 17:47.11 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: i'm talking about usb |
| 17:47.17 | kergoth`zzz | phoen][x: you'll need the hotplug userspace utils as well |
| 17:48.30 | phoen][x | kergoth`zzz: yeah, i have the usertools (eg /sbin/hotplug) |
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| 17:49.31 | edgar | does the sharp rom qte libraries have the ability to read gifs? |
| 17:54.45 | SillyZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.54 | SillyZ | my crosscompiler bug scripts made it to the howto! :) |
| 17:55.12 | kergoth`zzz | bug scripts? |
| 17:55.50 | SillyZ | the scripts had a slight problem, in the dev-x86-qpe.sh script it made no call to the $CROSSCOMPILER enviornment var |
| 17:55.58 | SillyZ | hehe small problem there :) |
| 17:56.00 | kergoth`zzz | .. |
| 17:56.03 | kergoth`zzz | ? |
| 17:56.15 | kergoth`zzz | why would it? |
| 17:56.28 | SillyZ | it never sets up that env var |
| 17:56.33 | SillyZ | thus dosent know where things are at |
| 17:57.05 | kergoth`zzz | .. |
| 17:57.21 | kergoth`zzz | x86 doesnt need the /opt/Embedix paths specified |
| 17:57.25 | kergoth`zzz | you never crosscompile anything |
| 17:57.27 | kergoth`zzz | its -x86- |
| 17:57.34 | kergoth`zzz | i feel like i'm missing something |
| 17:57.40 | SillyZ | CROSSCOMPILE=/opt/Embedix/tools:/usr/local/x86/2.95.3/bin |
| 17:57.52 | kergoth`zzz | .. |
| 17:57.59 | kergoth`zzz | and? |
| 17:58.02 | SillyZ | it never calls that env var, thus never sets up the /opt/Embedix/tools, and Gcc3.2 has a real problem with opie |
| 17:58.17 | kergoth`zzz | there was nothing wrong with not using CROSSCOMPILE |
| 17:58.22 | kergoth`zzz | you misunderstood its purpose |
| 17:58.58 | retsel | since kergoth`zzz put me onto the oz-base upgrade to fix the CF modem issue (an hour or so ago), I've been searching for an .ipk that provides a little PPP configuration and dialup control applet similar to the Sharp ROM. No luck. Does such a thing exist? |
| 17:59.01 | SillyZ | I understand the purpose of it, point being it never makes the call |
| 17:59.25 | kergoth`zzz | SillyZ: and it never had it. |
| 17:59.28 | kergoth`zzz | SillyZ: had to. |
| 17:59.37 | kergoth`zzz | not as designed, anyway |
| 18:01.34 | kergoth`zzz | SillyZ: if you understood its purpose you wouldnt think it needed to be utilized :) its purpose has been warped a fair bit |
| 18:01.42 | kergoth`zzz | retsel: unfortunately not. its being developed |
| 18:01.55 | kergoth`zzz | retsel: the opie networksetup app is gaining a ppp module, feel free to pester benmeyer about it :P |
| 18:01.56 | retsel | kergoth`zzz: thanks |
| 18:02.06 | SillyZ | :) |
| 18:02.09 | SillyZ | already have |
| 18:02.10 | SillyZ | hehe |
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| 18:02.26 | SillyZ | Im not claiming to be a guru or anything, I just know it works |
| 18:02.35 | kergoth`zzz | SillyZ: and fyi, gcc3.2 builds opie just fine |
| 18:02.38 | SillyZ | at least it works for me |
| 18:02.39 | kergoth`zzz | SillyZ: i just built it, in fact |
| 18:02.41 | kergoth`zzz | :) |
| 18:02.44 | SillyZ | gcc3.2 gaggs hard here |
| 18:02.47 | SillyZ | mdk9 |
| 18:02.49 | kergoth`zzz | for the gcc3.2 built openzaurus rom |
| 18:02.52 | kergoth`zzz | it flies |
| 18:03.00 | kergoth`zzz | fast as hell with full optimizations |
| 18:03.15 | kergoth`zzz | oh you're doing a x86 build? you'll have to recompile both qt and opie with gcc3.2 |
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| 18:04.22 | kergoth`zzz | it will work though, the gcc3.2 compile issues in opie have all been fixed |
| 18:04.53 | SillyZ | k |
| 18:04.57 | SillyZ | testing it now |
| 18:07.33 | SillyZ | still gaggs on 3.2 |
| 18:08.25 | kergoth`zzz | SillyZ: 'gaggs'? |
| 18:08.32 | kergoth`zzz | SillyZ: in the qt build or opie? |
| 18:09.00 | SillyZ | /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqpe.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 18:09.00 | SillyZ | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 18:09.00 | SillyZ | make: *** [example] Error 1 |
| 18:09.07 | SillyZ | thats with gcc3.2 |
| 18:09.08 | kergoth`zzz | SillyZ: eh? |
| 18:09.12 | kergoth`zzz | SillyZ: you're building what? |
| 18:09.38 | SillyZ | just the default example app with Qtopia |
| 18:09.49 | SillyZ | in /opt/Qtopia/example |
| 18:09.52 | kergoth`zzz | jesus |
| 18:10.00 | kergoth`zzz | should i start over? |
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| 18:10.10 | kergoth`zzz | You *must* recompile qt and opie to build apps with gcc3 |
| 18:10.17 | kergoth`zzz | like i said |
| 18:10.17 | SillyZ | ah |
| 18:10.19 | SillyZ | ok |
| 18:10.30 | kergoth`zzz | you cant use the existing sdk, as that was built with gcc2, which used a different c++ abi |
| 18:10.38 | SillyZ | k |
| 18:10.38 | kergoth`zzz | 12:15 <@kergoth`zzz> oh you're doing a x86 build? you'll have to recompile both |
| 18:10.38 | kergoth`zzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.40 | SillyZ | now I get it |
| 18:10.52 | kergoth`zzz | k |
| 18:11.05 | Com[Plex] | dam*sigh* |
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| 18:13.32 | sandman_ | kergoth: sounds like a kernel problem .. I'm running you glibc 2.3.1 on the iPAQ and it seems to work |
| 18:13.52 | kergoth | sandman_: hmmm |
| 18:13.53 | sandman_ | kergoth: (the successful failures) |
| 18:13.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:14.53 | sandman_ | s/this/his/ |
| 18:15.03 | Com[plx | hey kergoth, wich should I work on first? operare creator, or hancom creator? |
| 18:15.22 | kergoth | up to you :) doesnt matter to me really |
| 18:15.28 | Com[plx | also, is hancom still freeely downloadable from the hancom site? |
| 18:15.39 | Com[plx | hancom word, sheet, presentervie2wer |
| 18:15.43 | kergoth | shit i shouldve grabbed dayquil when i was at the house |
| 18:15.56 | kergoth | yay |
| 18:16.08 | Com[plx | I cant use the shit, sending it to you would be doing myself a favor |
| 18:16.25 | Com[plx | tmost cough medicines make me feel worse than the cold itself |
| 18:16.48 | kergoth | sandman_: can you do me a favor and go into busybox, in login.c, in the check_tty() function, and change very bottom return 0, the default, to return 1? as it is now, if i remove securetty i can no longer login as root. backwards. |
| 18:17.29 | sandman_ | kergoth: will check it, when I'm homw |
| 18:17.33 | sandman_ | home even |
| 18:17.54 | kergoth | sandman_: thanks |
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| 18:20.30 | chouimat|busy] | hi noda |
| 18:22.06 | SillyZ | kergoth: btw thank you for all your advice youve given me |
| 18:22.26 | kergoth | SillyZ: no problem, anytime |
| 18:27.42 | SillyZ | kergoth: when compiling qt , should I take the arm platform or x86? |
| 18:27.54 | SillyZ | Im assuming platform destination should be arm |
| 18:27.54 | kergoth | SillyZ: are you building for arm or x86? |
| 18:28.02 | SillyZ | hehe |
| 18:28.28 | SillyZ | Id like to do development on x86, and all my testing on x86 then compile for arm once its complete |
| 18:31.41 | SillyZ | I just want to make sure Im doing things right, and might as well learn from the experts, ie : you, and the others whom have been above and beyond the call of duty in helping others here |
| 18:32.01 | NetAmp | hmz Konsole doesn't work with Custom rotation |
| 18:32.58 | treke | NetAmp: how so? |
| 18:33.35 | NetAmp | treke: well i tried to turn it but it wouldn't start anymore |
| 18:33.47 | NetAmp | just for fun cuz it wouldn't type any easier :P |
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| 18:40.28 | tez | How do I get Opie to do those cool translucent menus? |
| 18:44.49 | treke | tez: use liquid |
| 18:45.14 | NetAmp | then click its settings |
| 18:45.33 | NetAmp | you can set your own color and opacity etc. really cool ;) |
| 18:45.51 | treke | downside is liquid is really slow :) |
| 18:46.16 | NetAmp | slow? hmm |
| 18:47.28 | NetAmp | ah indeed ;) |
| 18:47.36 | NetAmp | hadn't compared to the others |
| 18:47.47 | NetAmp | maybe that's why VNC was pretty slow also |
| 18:47.49 | tez | treke: Where do I get it? |
| 18:47.58 | treke | server or viewer? |
| 18:48.17 | NetAmp | in the viewer |
| 18:48.21 | treke | no |
| 18:48.24 | treke | thats not why :) |
| 18:48.30 | NetAmp | didn't get the server to run right yet |
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| 18:48.35 | NetAmp | kergoth was still fixing it |
| 18:48.39 | NetAmp | so that could also be it... |
| 18:48.52 | NetAmp | but |
| 18:48.57 | treke | nope. the viewer is just slow |
| 18:48.57 | NetAmp | isn't that linked to |
| 18:49.01 | NetAmp | how fast.. |
| 18:49.04 | NetAmp | oh i see |
| 18:49.29 | NetAmp | cause it also depends on how fast the framebuffer is drawn doesn't it |
| 18:49.40 | treke | not really |
| 18:49.46 | NetAmp | I used tightvnc which kergoth recommended |
| 18:49.51 | NetAmp | prett neat viewer |
| 18:50.00 | NetAmp | although you're right it's a bit slow |
| 18:50.04 | treke | frame buffer is fast enough, the client just cant handle anything but the two slowest compressions |
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| 18:51.23 | NetAmp | hardwire's background fits nicely with liquid |
| 18:51.30 | NetAmp | the one from opie-look |
| 18:51.50 | NetAmp | DarkCurves |
| 18:52.27 | NetAmp | hm |
| 18:53.02 | NetAmp | tez: http://www.opie.info/~opielook/entry.php?id=32 |
| 18:53.09 | NetAmp | tez: pretty cool background ;) |
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| 18:55.39 | tez | That *is* a nice background |
| 18:55.47 | NetAmp | heh |
| 18:58.31 | NetAmp | # ls usr/lib/ipkg/ |
| 18:58.32 | NetAmp | info lists status |
| 18:58.34 | NetAmp | hmm |
| 18:58.38 | NetAmp | that's on my CF card |
| 18:58.46 | NetAmp | wonder why |
| 18:59.25 | NetAmp | safe to delete? |
| 18:59.32 | NetAmp | seems like temporary stuff.. |
| 19:01.41 | tez | NetAmp:yeah, I have that too |
| 19:01.53 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:01.57 | tez | NetAmp : But my cf card isn't even mounted or inserted |
| 19:02.05 | NetAmp | huh strange |
| 19:02.11 | NetAmp | I guess ipkg forgot to clean up |
| 19:02.23 | NetAmp | I installed some ipk's from CF, so... |
| 19:02.37 | NetAmp | i'll just remove it |
| 19:02.44 | NetAmp | Z is unstable already :P |
| 19:05.36 | kergoth | NetAmp: ipkg install of packages to cf/sd/mtdram puts the ipkg database for those packages -on- the media |
| 19:05.43 | Dilb | hi |
| 19:06.38 | NetAmp | kergoth: ok good to know |
| 19:07.09 | NetAmp | kergoth: i'll punish ipkg for not cleaning up :P |
| 19:07.45 | kergoth | NetAmp: ipkg creates teh files out there whether anything is installed or not |
| 19:07.55 | kergoth | NetAmp: dont bother wiping it, it doesnt waste space |
| 19:08.02 | NetAmp | :) |
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| 19:34.24 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth: what was the problem with opera creator? do you know? |
| 19:34.50 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: no idea.. never used it.. just make sure you get its icons from /usr/share |
| 19:35.03 | Com[Plex] | oh. uh. nm. I think I see it. |
| 19:35.09 | kergoth | k |
| 19:38.56 | Com[Plex] | roger that |
| 19:39.58 | Com[Plex] | dude. my sister makes this chex ix stuf, with honey roasted peanuts, honey roasted cashews, honey nut cheerios, peanut butter chips and chocolate chips. - and some chex too.. |
| 19:40.04 | Com[Plex] | its freaking amazing |
| 19:40.09 | Com[Plex] | IM gonna eat it till I PUKE. |
| 19:40.13 | treke | is your sister single? |
| 19:40.16 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 19:40.19 | Com[Plex] | YEAH! |
| 19:40.30 | Com[Plex] | shes got two kids tho. |
| 19:41.03 | treke | hmmm. Is it *really* good? |
| 19:41.03 | Com[Plex] | its ***REALLY*** GOOD |
| 19:41.03 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 19:41.16 | Com[Plex] | oh man, I gotta get something to drink with it. lol |
| 19:41.35 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: glass of milk |
| 19:42.28 | Com[Plex] | yeah exactly... dont got any milk tho. have to settle for doctor pepper. lol |
| 19:45.13 | chouimat | ibot seen zecke |
| 19:45.14 | | zecke <~ich@pD9E7EA51.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 5h 4m 4s ago, saying: 'cya'. |
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| 19:52.34 | tez | What's the most comprehensive package server? |
| 19:54.03 | Com[Plex] | 15F = -9.44C |
| 19:54.09 | Com[Plex] | thats how cold it is here. |
| 19:54.29 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: -13C here |
| 19:54.37 | Com[Plex] | grumbkle |
| 19:54.46 | Com[Plex] | where are you located? |
| 19:55.07 | chouimat | Quebec City |
| 19:55.14 | Com[Plex] | ahh, im in Maine |
| 19:56.21 | Com[Plex] | when I check the thermometer in the morning before wealking to work, its not for convenience, its for survival. |
| 19:56.29 | chouimat | huh? people live there? :) |
| 19:56.36 | Com[Plex] | I am so sick of this cold. |
| 19:56.50 | tez | What browser is everyone using here? Konqueror? |
| 19:57.21 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: -20C last night, will probably get -25C in january/february (day time) |
| 19:57.35 | Com[Plex] | yeah chouimat. lol. one of the largerstates, and theres so few people, that there are whole regions of ti that dont even have names. |
| 19:57.54 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: we call that a forest :P |
| 19:58.07 | Com[Plex] | like the 20 thuosand acres at the top of the state that doesnt have anyone living in it. they call it the "big twenty" |
| 19:58.21 | Com[Plex] | we even have huinks of land called " |
| 19:58.27 | Com[Plex] | "land north of wells" |
| 19:59.07 | Com[Plex] | its sad. really. |
| 19:59.26 | Com[Plex] | but then, I imagine you have the same thing in canada. what with all the ice. |
| 19:59.38 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: look at Quebec we're the biggest province and we're 8 millions |
| 20:00.02 | Com[Plex] | hehehe |
| 20:00.51 | NetAmp | hah |
| 20:00.57 | Com[Plex] | hehe./ |
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| 20:01.21 | Com[Plex] | yeah, maine is 6 times the size of ireland. |
| 20:01.21 | Com[Plex] | just over 6 times |
| 20:02.15 | BZFlag | chouimat: well, alaka would not. ;-) but if you start with the small ones, RI, CN, MD, etc probably quite a few. |
| 20:02.28 | BZFlag | s/alaka/alaska/ |
| 20:02.36 | chouimat | BZFlag: hehe |
| 20:02.36 | Com[Plex] | maine = 31,904.78 square miles |
| 20:03.30 | Com[Plex] | http://www.state.me.us/sos/kids/government/counties.htm arrostok countie, <the big one in this pic> has a total population of about 5,000 |
| 20:03.44 | Com[Plex] | correction, 86,936 |
| 20:04.18 | Com[Plex] | that single county is bigged than ireland. |
| 20:04.25 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* - I cant type... |
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| 20:11.04 | BZFlag | quebec is 594,860 including water. Alaska is 656,425 |
| 20:11.33 | NetAmp | heh |
| 20:12.04 | chouimat | hehe |
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| 20:16.19 | chouimat | hi noda |
| 20:16.31 | Com[Plex] | anyone else see this /home/root/.opera/opera.ini file? |
| 20:16.56 | noda | chouimat: moo |
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| 20:23.27 | kendrick2 | "Too bad the SL-C700 isn't coming to the US after all. I've wanted a clamshell device that didn't run WinCE for a long time." |
| 20:23.28 | kendrick2 | " |
| 20:23.31 | Com[Plex] | whast ipkg-link for? |
| 20:23.38 | kendrick2 | "I've even owned 2 WinCE clamshells (Jornada 680 and NEC Mobilpro 770). The larger screens are easier for me to see (I'm legally blind) but I don't like WinCE." |
| 20:23.42 | BZFlag | chouimat: so starting from the smallest, 19 states fit in quebec. |
| 20:24.02 | BZFlag | plus D.O.C. if you want as well. |
| 20:24.06 | kendrick2 | "Hey Sharp! If you're listening, Canada wants the Zaurus!" |
| 20:24.44 | kryhme | complex: for making all the right links from the ipkg to where the files are supposed to go... if the ipkg doesn't link right then you may get problems like the icons not showing up on the desktop, etc... if you use aqpkg, it does the linking for you |
| 20:25.12 | Com[Plex] | ahh.. |
| 20:25.26 | kryhme | nice to see ya btw |
| 20:25.32 | Com[Plex] | u2 :> |
| 20:25.33 | kryhme | haven't been around in awhile |
| 20:25.48 | CrazyGogo | did a sell-out of the 5500 already begin in the US because of the 5600 coming soon!? |
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| 20:26.08 | Com[Plex] | yeah I know.. say, I found this file, while trying to fix up the opera creator, |
| 20:26.10 | Com[Plex] | /home/root/.opera/opera.ini |
| 20:26.17 | Com[Plex] | but I dont knwo where to put it for OZ to find it |
| 20:26.35 | noda | /root/.opera/opera.ini |
| 20:26.36 | noda | ? |
| 20:26.41 | noda | (just a wild guess) |
| 20:27.01 | Com[Plex] | thats what i was thinking, but will it put it there if the persion installs to SD ? |
| 20:27.20 | noda | What the hell... isn't it generated the first time Opera starts? |
| 20:27.30 | Com[Plex] | I have no idea |
| 20:27.33 | kergoth | installing a file into someones homedir with a package management system is a Bad Thing |
| 20:27.33 | noda | It should be. |
| 20:27.43 | BZFlag | chouimat: and for the final bit, here are the states. |
| 20:27.43 | Com[Plex] | huh? |
| 20:27.52 | BZFlag | Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, Maine, South Carolina, West Virginia, Maryland, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware, Rhode Island, District of Columbia |
| 20:27.56 | kendrick2 | cya - food time |
| 20:27.57 | noda | Com[Plex]: The package doesn't include opera.ini, Opera should put it in your home dir the first time you start it. |
| 20:28.23 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, were you telling Me this? |
| 20:29.23 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yep. package management systems shouldnt install files directly into a homedir. what if i move my homedir elsewhere? :P |
| 20:29.47 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 20:30.02 | kergoth | could be opera is stupid. opera should create it on first execution |
| 20:31.04 | Com[Plex] | okay |
| 20:32.16 | kryhme | is it possible to edit a file from the console without vi, pico, emacs or any more advanced text editor? |
| 20:32.31 | treke | cat and echo |
| 20:33.13 | noda | ed? |
| 20:33.34 | noda | sed for sure :) |
| 20:34.34 | kryhme | this pc has sed, but i don't know how to use it to edit files |
| 20:34.48 | treke | how about ex? |
| 20:34.55 | kryhme | i need to change the line in /etc/ftpusers from root too #root |
| 20:35.07 | BZFlag | if opera is braindead, you could install the file someplace else and then make an opera "wrapper" that just checks for the file, copies it if it does not exist, then execs opera. |
| 20:35.08 | kryhme | no ex |
| 20:35.22 | noda | cat blah | sed <editing> > blah |
| 20:35.33 | noda | Or to remove lines, cat blah | grep -v <line> > blah |
| 20:35.42 | treke | sed s/#root/root/ /etc/ftpusers > foo |
| 20:35.45 | noda | Or just use vi :P |
| 20:35.46 | treke | mv foo /etc/ftpusers |
| 20:35.53 | BZFlag | sed -e 's/^root/#root/' < foo > foo1 |
| 20:36.18 | kryhme | thanks guys, i appreciate it ... |
| 20:36.54 | treke | would be much more convienient if you could do < foo > foo and have things work :) |
| 20:38.12 | BZFlag | treke: nod. perl does it, but no perl there I expect. |
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| 20:39.23 | BZFlag | perl -i -p -e 's/^root/#root/' foo |
| 20:39.29 | Com[Plex] | whats the command to copy a folder, and to maintain the symlinks even if they dont line up? |
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| 20:39.52 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: cp -a afaicr |
| 20:40.12 | Com[Plex] | ahh yes.. |
| 20:40.15 | Com[Plex] | -dpR |
| 20:40.19 | Com[Plex] | thank you |
| 20:40.26 | kryhme | yeah bzflag, no perl heh.... you do buisness with a company called emac? |
| 20:40.45 | BZFlag | not that I'm aware of, but possibly. |
| 20:41.48 | kryhme | bzflag: i'm messing with this little server-in-a-box thing they make it runs linux 2.4, embedix toolchain, xwindows and a few other miscellaneous thiongs |
| 20:42.19 | kryhme | kinda neat, don't know why they left out vi though |
| 20:42.44 | BZFlag | cause they are using the ancient version of busybox that embedix includes. |
| 20:42.54 | BZFlag | do yourself a favor and update it. ;-) |
| 20:43.30 | kryhme | yeah busybox on this is 0.60 |
| 20:44.00 | kryhme | .0 |
| 20:45.18 | Com[Plex] | how th hell do I untar a file To a specific folder? |
| 20:45.35 | Com[Plex] | tar xf blah.tar .. doesnt work |
| 20:45.41 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:45.52 | kergoth | cd folder; tar xf /path/to/blah.tar; works fine here |
| 20:46.09 | DaJoker | or use -C |
| 20:46.16 | kergoth | right, if your tar supports -C |
| 20:46.21 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:47.17 | NetAmp | oh how I love command prompts :P |
| 20:52.54 | JasonNJ | shit |
| 20:53.08 | JasonNJ | Al Queda just claimed responsiblity for shooting down a airliner with a missile |
| 20:53.35 | chouimat | JasonNJ: which airline? |
| 20:54.41 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: I believe they TRIED but failed |
| 20:55.16 | Neo|Work | there was however also a suicide bombing [in kenya] that succeeded |
| 20:55.25 | Neo|Work | http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/africa/12/02/kenya.probe/index.html |
| 20:55.56 | chouimat | on va tu finir pas avoir la paix tabarnack |
| 20:57.27 | kryhme | yeah, they've been shooting at at airliners for awhile now, thankfully none in the us... the airline companys considered equipping themselves with stuff that could prevent this but the cost was much much too high |
| 20:58.06 | Neo|Work | dude, installing anti-heat-seeking-missile defense in an airliner would be expensive |
| 20:58.15 | Neo|Work | plus not necessarily likely to work |
| 20:58.26 | Neo|Work | much easier target than a fighter jet |
| 20:58.55 | warmi_away | well, obviously not easy enough for these two rockets missed their target last week |
| 20:59.05 | kryhme | not by much though |
| 20:59.17 | Neo|Work | which the news pretty much claimed to be a miracle since they were heat seeking and, well, jets put out a large amount of that |
| 21:00.14 | kryhme | tar: data/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: input/output error -- Read-only file system |
| 21:00.22 | kryhme | how do i change the filesystem type? |
| 21:00.35 | warmi_away | they should try to create secure perimeters around airports |
| 21:01.00 | treke | kryhme: how much free space do you have? |
| 21:01.07 | warmi_away | the planes are pretty much safe once they reach certain altitude |
| 21:01.26 | kryhme | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.31 | kryhme | heh |
| 21:01.45 | treke | kryhme: /dev/doc2? what is that? |
| 21:01.48 | Com[Plex] | all alqueda is succeeding at doing with stunts like this, is making more enemies |
| 21:02.06 | kryhme | treke: no clue, that's how it came. this is some sort of small wierd embedded pc |
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| 21:02.10 | tux_mike | ... Qt embedded sources are bigger than QT for X11? |
| 21:02.28 | treke | hopefully it isnt jffs2:) |
| 21:02.40 | kryhme | ah... doc = disk on chip |
| 21:03.23 | kryhme | anyways, how do i change it so i can write to it? |
| 21:03.57 | treke | unmount it and remount it |
| 21:05.43 | kryhme | what flags or options would i use to mount it as rw ? |
| 21:06.09 | Neo|Work | mount -o remount,rw |
| 21:06.23 | Neo|Work | i.e 'mount -o remount,rw /data ' should work |
| 21:07.43 | NetAmp | l8r |
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| 21:07.55 | kryhme | neo|work and treke ... thanks a lot. that worked |
| 21:08.07 | treke | cool |
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| 21:16.32 | kryhme | i'm trying to run this program, and when i run it it gives me the error message that it can't open a shared library it needs |
| 21:16.39 | kryhme | the file is in the same dir as the program though |
| 21:16.51 | kryhme | do i need to change my path, or is there some library path |
| 21:16.58 | treke | $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 21:17.11 | kryhme | does that go in my profile? |
| 21:17.23 | kryhme | im guessing it does |
| 21:17.25 | treke | sig: Liquid should now work with Hancom |
| 21:17.41 | treke | yeah, you can put it in your .profile |
| 21:18.05 | kryhme | is there somewhere else it normally is? |
| 21:18.37 | benmeyer | man, nothing like wasting a hour attempting to install linux only to find out that the cd is scratched |
| 21:20.12 | Neo|Work | haha |
| 21:20.27 | Neo|Work | I had a similar thing happen although it turned out that the downloaded files were invalid |
| 21:20.39 | Neo|Work | either that or my CD couldn't read the CD-R correctly |
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| 21:21.57 | benmeyer | well I screwed up my debian install |
| 21:22.08 | benmeyer | NEVER install X11 if you plan on upgrading to unstable |
| 21:22.13 | benmeyer | that is today's lesson |
| 21:22.28 | benmeyer | install it after you are using the unstable feeds |
| 21:22.29 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 21:22.34 | Neo|Work | unstable seems like a bad idea in general. :P |
| 21:22.36 | treke | benmeyer: from woody? |
| 21:22.37 | benmeyer | na |
| 21:22.39 | ljp_1 | gentoo is your friend |
| 21:22.41 | benmeyer | yah from woody |
| 21:22.43 | benmeyer | screw gentoo |
| 21:22.44 | treke | benmeyer: odd |
| 21:22.54 | ljp_1 | screw debain |
| 21:23.05 | treke | benmeyer: what happened? |
| 21:23.07 | benmeyer | to each his own |
| 21:23.29 | benmeyer | debian just can't handle X11 well |
| 21:23.35 | treke | Neo|Work: Well its sort of your only choice until testing is fixed |
| 21:23.37 | benmeyer | this I constently learn |
| 21:23.43 | ljp_1 | I've never had to futz with a dist so much other than redhat 5, and debian |
| 21:23.47 | Neo|Work | what's wrong with testing? |
| 21:24.00 | benmeyer | it is more bleading edge then unstable |
| 21:24.02 | benmeyer | crazy hu? |
| 21:24.10 | Neo|Work | unstable has glibc 2.3 though |
| 21:24.26 | treke | Neo|Work: Some serious bugs in glibc2.3 are preventing apps from moving into testing |
| 21:24.30 | benmeyer | does it make much of a enhancment? |
| 21:24.54 | Neo|Work | glibc 2.3 is bad news at the moment from all I've heard |
| 21:24.58 | treke | benmeyer: what did the upgrade trash though? Might be relativly easy to fix |
| 21:25.15 | treke | only thing I've seen break so far is wine and loki_patch :) |
| 21:25.20 | benmeyer | well pretty much all fo the X apps were messed up |
| 21:25.26 | benmeyer | some upgraded, some didn't |
| 21:25.28 | benmeyer | it was a mess |
| 21:25.28 | treke | weird |
| 21:25.34 | benmeyer | it isn't weird |
| 21:25.38 | benmeyer | it happens every time |
| 21:25.43 | benmeyer | and I never learn |
| 21:26.06 | treke | benmeyer: weird to me, only X upgrade I've ever had break are brandon's pre debs |
| 21:26.10 | benmeyer | I always end up installinging with just the base, editing the sources.list, and then getting each package |
| 21:26.25 | treke | now going from X3 to X4 would cause some nasty breakage |
| 21:26.38 | benmeyer | well that was a whole nother boat load of breakage |
| 21:26.57 | benmeyer | that is another rant I have, why the f are there X3 packages in the tree at all??? |
| 21:27.17 | Neo|Work | one would wonder |
| 21:27.19 | benmeyer | just to temp package managers to require them to royally mess up your box |
| 21:27.27 | treke | compatiility with unsupported cards? |
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| 21:27.54 | benmeyer | if there were compatibility issues then Debian shouldn't have gone to X4 |
| 21:28.00 | benmeyer | that is the whole montra of Debian.... |
| 21:28.51 | benmeyer | bla, but ignore me I am just blowing off steam |
| 21:29.10 | Com[Plex] | http://www.duk0r.net/funny/index.php?directory=.¤tPic=94 OMG |
| 21:29.35 | boulez | i'm blind now |
| 21:29.39 | boulez | what the hell is that pic!? |
| 21:30.36 | boulez | the dude on the right looks like that guy in Florida who's been running that video-over-cat5 scam |
| 21:31.07 | benmeyer | how does xmms compare to om2? |
| 21:31.29 | Neo|Work | xmms is good in general.. |
| 21:31.37 | benmeyer | hehe just saw the job posting |
| 21:31.41 | benmeyer | come work for Sharp |
| 21:31.42 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 21:32.07 | benmeyer | posted to zaurus-general |
| 21:34.12 | boulez | where are the zaurus mailing lists? the link from zauruszone.com is dead |
| 21:34.55 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 21:34.57 | benmeyer | true |
| 21:35.01 | benmeyer | not sure :-D |
| 21:35.01 | benmeyer | haha |
| 21:35.15 | benmeyer | the zaurus project is hidden on sf |
| 21:35.26 | benmeyer | I can forward it to you if you want |
| 21:35.42 | boulez | yeah, any info would be great |
| 21:35.45 | treke | http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/zaurus-general |
| 21:35.51 | boulez | thanks |
| 21:36.07 | benmeyer | ah, thanks |
| 21:36.25 | treke | archives are gone though |
| 21:36.35 | boulez | still don't own a Zaurus, but I'm reading up |
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| 21:45.57 | kergoth | geh |
| 21:46.06 | chouimat | benmeyer: received my mo? |
| 21:46.24 | kryhme | ibot: logs |
| 21:46.25 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
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| 21:48.29 | benmeyer | chouimat: yah got it yesterday |
| 21:48.40 | benmeyer | will be packaging it up when I get home today |
| 21:48.46 | kergoth | benmeyer: still not a damn thing from that radio company. so the driver sits half written. eheh |
| 21:48.48 | benmeyer | and sending it out on the way to work tomattow |
| 21:48.57 | benmeyer | bla, I will contact them |
| 21:50.14 | kryhme | can someone scroll up and paste me the example line that Neo|work gave me for sed usage... |
| 21:55.31 | Neo|Work | I mentioned 'sed'? :P |
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| 21:57.13 | CrazyGogo | kryhme: query... |
| 21:58.51 | warmi_away | sed -e 's/^root/#root/' < foo > foo1 |
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| 22:00.21 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 22:00.55 | tux_mike | warmi: anything new at the trib? it looks like i didn't get that job |
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| 22:06.47 | Neo|Work | http://www.lipsons.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/index.htm is cool |
| 22:07.06 | Neo|Work | then look at http://www.mantasoft.co.uk/_stuff/Recursive.swf |
| 22:07.51 | Pendalar | sweet |
| 22:08.00 | TheMasterMind1 | Neo|Work: freaky |
| 22:08.14 | Neo|Work | the image is pretty well done. the flash is just cool. :P |
| 22:09.42 | Pendalar | I prefer http://www.idleworm.com/tch/pclip.shtml though |
| 22:10.17 | TheMasterMind1 | Neo|Work: what flash? |
| 22:10.49 | Neo|Work | the second link |
| 22:10.50 | numatrix | Neo|Work: dang; that image is dang sweet. |
| 22:10.53 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.52 | numatrix | woah! RealPlayer just popped up to handle that swf. That's really odd. |
| 22:12.04 | Neo|Work | someone else got that too |
| 22:12.04 | numatrix | I'm thoroughly confused. |
| 22:12.15 | Neo|Work | probably don't have .swf bound to flash plugin |
| 22:12.16 | Cloudchaser | hullo everyone |
| 22:12.24 | Neo|Work | but realplayer should be able to play it I think |
| 22:12.30 | kryhme | hey cloudchaser |
| 22:12.44 | numatrix | Neo|Work: apparently not. Still; the fact that realplayer does it as well is interesting. That would make a great activeX desktop. ;-) |
| 22:12.47 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: had that happen to me too. no clue why |
| 22:13.06 | Neo|Work | real has had flash support for quite some time |
| 22:13.24 | numatrix | Neo|Work: Never new that. It must have since I'm running the linux version which is pretty dated. |
| 22:14.17 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:21.35 | treke | is rp8 still the prefered inux build? |
| 22:21.40 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:22.18 | tux_mike | http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/~ijruther/DearSanta.jpg |
| 22:22.21 | tux_mike | lol |
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| 22:27.04 | Com[Plex] | hey mastermind: |
| 22:27.11 | Com[Plex] | coupl questiosn about opera creator. |
| 22:27.39 | Com[Plex] | " we need /usr/share/opera/buttons and plugins and help maybe? and .. hell all of it " why do we need these? |
| 22:28.05 | Com[Plex] | do they not work in /opt/QtPalmtop/opera ? |
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| 22:30.38 | Com[Plex] | could I just do a ln -s $installdir/opera /usr/share/opera ; ? |
| 22:30.59 | sjohnson | Com[Plex]: Yes. That should work. |
| 22:31.32 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: please use ln -sf rather than ln -s |
| 22:31.51 | Com[Plex] | whats -sf ? |
| 22:32.15 | kergoth | it'll overwrite an existing symlink if its already there. use it on general principle |
| 22:32.28 | kergoth | otherwise it can cause failures due to a bad exit status where it shouldnt be failing |
| 22:32.33 | Com[Plex] | also, TheMasterMind1 said this last night "basically, /usr/share/opera needs to be in the creator, and also, /usr/share/operabuttons has to be symlink to /usr/share/opera/buttons" was this full of typos? |
| 22:32.40 | Com[Plex] | okay kergoth, thanks |
| 22:32.46 | kergoth | dunno |
| 22:32.51 | kergoth | i have never run opera on oz |
| 22:32.51 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:33.04 | Com[Plex] | heh, I dont know why anyone wants to |
| 22:33.06 | Com[Plex] | is it smaller? |
| 22:33.10 | kergoth | dunno |
| 22:33.14 | kergoth | could be, konq is pretty large |
| 22:33.18 | kergoth | myself, i never browse the web on my Z |
| 22:33.19 | kergoth | so.. |
| 22:33.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:33.52 | Com[Plex] | I do when testing, thats about it. Oh, some tiems when Im watching movies in my room, I use the Z to look up actors and stuff on imdb.com |
| 22:34.07 | treke | dillo on qtopa would be so nice :) |
| 22:34.16 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: eh? |
| 22:34.34 | Com[Plex] | tmm. /usr/share/operabuttons ? |
| 22:34.43 | TheMasterMind1 | dillo has such a crappy crappy rendering engine |
| 22:34.48 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: yea, what about it |
| 22:34.54 | treke | TheMasterMind1: so? its small and fast |
| 22:34.54 | Com[Plex] | tmm: is this true, /usr/share/operabuttons has to be symlink to /usr/share/opera/buttons |
| 22:34.57 | tez | Hi there. I tried installing Konqueror directly from the zauruszone feed, but when it installed, it wouldn't start up. |
| 22:34.59 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: yep |
| 22:35.00 | Com[Plex] | operabuttons with no / ? |
| 22:35.04 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: yep |
| 22:35.09 | Com[Plex] | okay.. thats pretty obscure isnt it? |
| 22:35.10 | treke | its a tiny screen, not much is going to fit properly anyways |
| 22:35.15 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:35.15 | Com[Plex] | who figured that one out? |
| 22:35.19 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: *shrug* whatever makes it work.. |
| 22:35.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:35.23 | Com[Plex] | hah |
| 22:35.24 | Com[Plex] | dig it |
| 22:35.25 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: i did. it wasn't working otherwise in OZ |
| 22:35.35 | Com[Plex] | okay :> Ill ake care of it now |
| 22:35.45 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: i had to strace it and found that it was looking in that dir and not in opeara/buttons/ |
| 22:35.57 | Com[Plex] | bizzare. |
| 22:36.00 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: and any of the stuff in /usr/share/opera/ that you don't think we need dont' include |
| 22:36.05 | TheMasterMind1 | like the start page i dont' think we need that |
| 22:36.08 | TheMasterMind1 | or maybe the docs? |
| 22:36.14 | TheMasterMind1 | whatever you think is needed |
| 22:36.16 | Com[Plex] | its okay if I link it to $installdir/opera/buttons; isnt it? |
| 22:36.29 | treke | maybe soemthing based on qtextview :) |
| 22:36.43 | Com[Plex] | "we need /usr/share/opera/buttons and plugins and help maybe? and .. hell all of it" |
| 22:37.07 | Com[Plex] | hehe.. |
| 22:37.13 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: yea, but if we dont' need some of that crap, leave it out |
| 22:37.27 | Com[Plex] | okee |
| 22:37.40 | treke | hehe, qtzilla :) |
| 22:37.57 | TheMasterMind1 | yes... qtgecko! |
| 22:38.08 | treke | http://www.trolltech.com/qtmozilla/ |
| 22:38.15 | TheMasterMind1 | we tried that |
| 22:38.23 | TheMasterMind1 | lots of problems with fonts and stuff |
| 22:38.24 | TheMasterMind1 | and its HUGE |
| 22:38.28 | treke | Its rather massivly out of date though, I imagine |
| 22:38.30 | TheMasterMind1 | ~14megs |
| 22:38.31 | | TheMasterMind1: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:39.27 | treke | TheMasterMind1: although I dont see what need there is for mozilla :) I'd think something more like links/dillo would be what we wanted :p |
| 22:43.40 | tez | Ugh, why won't konqueror work! |
| 22:47.56 | TheMasterMind1 | tez: "work" ? |
| 22:48.41 | tez | It just won't startup. I'm trying a different Konqueror package now. |
| 22:50.31 | Com[Plex] | TheMasterMind1: I jsut realised, that that symlink for /usr/share/opera has to be done as a post install in the opera installer when its put on OZ. the links cant be made during the creation, can they? |
| 22:50.49 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: use postinst to do it |
| 22:50.59 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: postinst -in- the opera ipk you create, that is :) |
| 22:51.32 | TheMasterMind1 | you can't create symlinks in the tar.gz ? |
| 22:51.35 | Com[Plex] | understood, wich leads me to my next question, how do I knwo what the instalation directory is? |
| 22:51.39 | TheMasterMind1 | dont' we do that with oz ipks? |
| 22:51.47 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm pretty sure you can.. |
| 22:52.26 | Com[Plex] | but tmm: the target may be different. if they install to SD, or cf, or whatever |
| 22:52.33 | TheMasterMind1 | create a symlinks that points to opera/buttons |
| 22:52.39 | TheMasterMind1 | relative symlink, not absolute |
| 22:52.46 | kryhme | ok i'm in generic X11, and i'm trying to run this program, and it crashes, the error messages left on the console are "could not load font "sans 10" falling back to "sans 10" ... it says that twice and then says " all font failbacks failed!!!" .... does this mean that i just don't have that font installed? i'm just curious as to why it's trying to fallback on the same font |
| 22:53.00 | Com[Plex] | ../../opt/QtPalmtop/opera ? |
| 22:53.04 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 22:53.11 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: nono, the link should always point to /opt/QtPalmtop... |
| 22:53.20 | TheMasterMind1 | ln -sf opera/buttons operabuttons |
| 22:53.23 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: remember that /opt/QtPalmtop/... will already have been symlinks to the right place |
| 22:53.24 | TheMasterMind1 | that's all you need to do |
| 22:53.35 | kergoth | yeah, nothing complex about this |
| 22:53.38 | kergoth | no pun intended |
| 22:53.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:53.45 | Com[Plex] | oooh. so even tho opt/qtpalmtop/opera is syumlinked to /mnt/card blah blah. is doeswnt matter? |
| 22:53.50 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 22:54.00 | Com[Plex] | we wont get any "too many synmlink errors" |
| 22:54.00 | Com[Plex] | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.11 | kergoth | start over |
| 22:54.14 | TheMasterMind1 | just do: |
| 22:54.15 | TheMasterMind1 | ln -sf opera/buttons operabuttons |
| 22:54.15 | kergoth | what symlink are you creating? |
| 22:54.17 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:54.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: operabuttons points to opera/buttons/ .. they're in /usr/share/ usually |
| 22:54.42 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:54.53 | Com[Plex] | ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons /usr/share/opera/buttons |
| 22:54.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you're an admin on the sf project. if you fuck it up, i drive out there and kill you |
| 22:54.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 22:55.02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: rofl. thanks |
| 22:55.10 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: no no no! |
| 22:55.17 | kergoth | er |
| 22:55.18 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: ln -sf opera/buttons/ operabuttons; |
| 22:55.20 | TheMasterMind1 | exactly like that |
| 22:55.24 | chouimat | kergoth: I want to die too |
| 22:55.33 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: oh, you're wanting to put the share stuff into opt instead of usr and symlink it back? |
| 22:55.36 | kergoth | chouimat: you're an admin as well |
| 22:55.41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:55.45 | chouimat | thanks |
| 22:55.48 | kergoth | np |
| 22:55.48 | Com[Plex] | yes kergoth |
| 22:55.56 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, i misread that |
| 22:55.59 | kergoth | i think its cleanup in our BTS time |
| 22:56.01 | TheMasterMind1 | you're putting it into opt |
| 22:56.04 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, that's fine |
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| 22:56.16 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: yea, that'll work |
| 22:56.18 | Com[Plex] | it saves some steps. and I think its neater... |
| 22:56.39 | Com[Plex] | keep all the real files together.. |
| 22:56.41 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: symlink it to /opt/QtPalmtop. the actual opera buttons in /mnt/card/ whatever wiill end up symlinkled back into the /opt/QtPalmtop/share/opera/buttons anyway |
| 22:56.51 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: in other words, dont care about dest. just make the link. |
| 22:57.01 | Com[Plex] | should I also make links for the other folders in opt/QtPalmtop/opera ? |
| 22:57.19 | kergoth | what dirs are there? |
| 22:57.29 | kergoth | put buttons into pics. /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/opera/ :) |
| 22:57.37 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/home/aman# ls dcc/opera |
| 22:57.37 | TheMasterMind1 | buttons doc help plugins start styles |
| 22:57.42 | Com[Plex] | whoa... wait a second |
| 22:57.52 | TheMasterMind1 | help -> doc |
| 22:57.56 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:58.02 | TheMasterMind1 | plugins has some .so file |
| 22:58.03 | Com[Plex] | I think you lost me. |
| 22:58.05 | TheMasterMind1 | it looks like a pdf plugin |
| 22:58.15 | Com[Plex] | [18:01] <kergoth> Com[Plex]: symlink it to /opt/QtPalmtop. the actual opera buttons in /mnt/card/ whatever wiill end up symlinkled back into the /opt/QtPalmtop/share/opera/buttons anyway |
| 22:58.20 | kergoth | so the plugins should go in /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/opera, then a /usr/share/opera/plugins symlink to it |
| 22:58.23 | kergoth | right |
| 22:58.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:58.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you know what i'm saying? if so, explain it to him |
| 22:58.53 | Com[Plex] | ln -sf /usr/share/opera /opt/QtPalmtop/opera? |
| 22:58.59 | kergoth | no |
| 22:59.26 | kergoth | ln -sf /usr/share/opera/buttons /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/opera (assuming a opera pics dir doesnt already exist, if so, then this wont work) |
| 22:59.32 | kergoth | er |
| 22:59.35 | kergoth | i got that backasswords |
| 22:59.53 | kergoth | ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/opera/buttons /usr/share/opera/buttons |
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| 22:59.56 | DrakePT | howdy |
| 23:00.07 | kergoth | ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/opera /usr/share/opera/plugins |
| 23:00.09 | kergoth | blah |
| 23:00.22 | Com[Plex] | oka.. |
| 23:00.27 | kergoth | or plugins/opera/base, then plugins/opera/styles if you want to put the style sout there too |
| 23:00.30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i just tested busybox tar and it seems to be working fine.. replaces files fine.. |
| 23:00.35 | kergoth | basically, we're putting the files where opera should have put them in the first place |
| 23:00.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: from cvs HEAD? |
| 23:00.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: as of a build done this afternoon it doesnt |
| 23:00.56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what changed from 2-3 days ago? |
| 23:01.00 | TheMasterMind1 | or 5 days |
| 23:01.00 | kergoth | no idea |
| 23:01.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: try cvs HEAD from today, see if ti fails for you |
| 23:01.07 | TheMasterMind1 | its working from a build from then |
| 23:01.15 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. i dont' wanna update this tree |
| 23:01.20 | TheMasterMind1 | time to get another tree |
| 23:01.31 | DrakePT | I'm having a problem running Hancom Presenter: "Cannot found resource file : /home/QtPalmtop/bin/robus.rc" |
| 23:01.33 | DrakePT | any idea ? |
| 23:01.42 | TheMasterMind1 | DrakePT: on what rom |
| 23:01.48 | DrakePT | let me check |
| 23:01.53 | Com[Plex] | the structure in this operacreator, put all of the sub folders into the opera folder, translation, the folders are all being put in /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/bin,plugins,doc,buttons, blah blah. NOT in /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/opera etcetera |
| 23:02.02 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i know |
| 23:02.12 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: and i'm telling you having an opera dir in QtPalmtop isnt the cleanest way of doing it |
| 23:02.16 | Com[Plex] | so I should restructure it your way? |
| 23:02.16 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: so we may as well improve it |
| 23:02.16 | DrakePT | TheMasterMind1: 2.20 |
| 23:02.18 | Com[Plex] | okay.. |
| 23:02.20 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: imho of course |
| 23:02.23 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its your call |
| 23:02.28 | TheMasterMind1 | put it wherever you want, just make sure its symlinked to where the actual program looks for it |
| 23:02.31 | kergoth | right |
| 23:02.34 | TheMasterMind1 | DrakePT: sharp? |
| 23:02.41 | DrakePT | TheMasterMind1: yup |
| 23:02.43 | TheMasterMind1 | wow, that's an old rom.. |
| 23:02.48 | DrakePT | really ? |
| 23:02.49 | TheMasterMind1 | i know nothing about the sharp rom nontheless. |
| 23:02.50 | DrakePT | oops |
| 23:02.55 | TheMasterMind1 | i only used it for 3 days i think |
| 23:02.57 | kergoth | DrakePT: 2.38 is current |
| 23:03.02 | Com[Plex] | wel... I beleive the actual program looks for it in /opt/QtPalmtop/opera - because thats where they are on the sharp tom |
| 23:03.03 | Com[Plex] | rom |
| 23:03.04 | DrakePT | oooops :] |
| 23:03.18 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: what does the sharp rom have in /usr/share/opera then? |
| 23:03.19 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: maybe.. i just saw it looking in /usr/share/operabuttons though.. |
| 23:03.24 | TheMasterMind1 | when i straced |
| 23:03.26 | DrakePT | where can I find changes ? |
| 23:03.34 | Com[Plex] | nothign kergoth, there is no /usr/share/opera folder |
| 23:03.35 | kergoth | DrakePT: myzaurus.com |
| 23:03.38 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hm |
| 23:03.40 | DrakePT | am I missing something meaningful ? |
| 23:03.43 | Com[Plex] | okay tmm. Ill get to work |
| 23:03.46 | DrakePT | ok |
| 23:03.51 | DrakePT | kergoth, TheMasterMind1: thanks |
| 23:03.53 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: there is.. its created from one of the .tar.gzs.. i think anyway |
| 23:04.04 | TheMasterMind1 | someone tarred up and sent me /usr/share/opera |
| 23:04.16 | Com[Plex] | I have a sharp rom flashed on my zaurus at the moment. |
| 23:04.22 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i leave it to you to figure it out |
| 23:04.24 | DrakePT | what do you guys think of OZ ? |
| 23:04.25 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: have at it |
| 23:04.26 | Com[Plex] | ls -lga /usr/share ; no opera |
| 23:04.31 | kergoth | DrakePT: i love it, but i'm biased |
| 23:04.36 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: ok, good. make changes that you deem fit and make ipks from your creators and send me all of em and i will test |
| 23:04.39 | DrakePT | kergoth :) |
| 23:04.43 | DrakePT | ok |
| 23:04.45 | Com[Plex] | one second. im gonna fire it up and see if it gets created |
| 23:05.01 | TheMasterMind1 | DrakePT: seeing as we develop it, its the best zaurus rom available :) |
| 23:05.03 | Com[Plex] | okay tmm . thanks for the help. Ill probably be back or more qwuestiosn soon :> |
| 23:05.04 | DrakePT | Is the password protection faster now ? |
| 23:05.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fyi, testing a full stock OZ rom, gcc3.2, ramses-base/oz-base after the merge, with a backrev'd busybox |
| 23:05.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:05.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: should be pretty smooth, in theory |
| 23:05.23 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't want a backreved busybox! :) |
| 23:05.26 | kergoth | until we fix the tar issue anyway |
| 23:05.26 | kergoth | i know |
| 23:05.27 | TheMasterMind1 | should be |
| 23:05.30 | kergoth | i want ash with history!@35 |
| 23:05.31 | kergoth | i!@%# |
| 23:05.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:05.50 | prpplague | amen |
| 23:06.06 | kergoth | prpplague: sandman committed a history file function to busybox ash into their cvs today :) |
| 23:06.10 | prpplague | kergoth: searchable location |
| 23:06.19 | kergoth | prpplague: '.ash_history' |
| 23:06.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:06.24 | DrakePT | 1 more question |
| 23:06.33 | DrakePT | will tk apps work on OZ ? |
| 23:06.37 | kergoth | DrakePT: read the faq. |
| 23:06.38 | DrakePT | for sure... |
| 23:06.40 | DrakePT | ok |
| 23:06.42 | kergoth | DrakePT: openzaurus.org |
| 23:06.43 | TheMasterMind1 | DrakePT: they work kinda on this release |
| 23:06.48 | TheMasterMind1 | will work much better with oz3.1 |
| 23:06.49 | kergoth | DrakePT: and read the Why OZ? page |
| 23:06.51 | DrakePT | just shortcutting :) |
| 23:06.52 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks to sandman |
| 23:07.03 | kergoth | wtf, depmod dumps a bunch of crap |
| 23:07.06 | kergoth | for no apparent reason |
| 23:07.07 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:07.13 | DrakePT | k |
| 23:07.24 | kergoth | looks like depmod is dumping a list of symbols on bootup |
| 23:07.25 | kergoth | weird |
| 23:07.33 | TheMasterMind1 | weird indeed |
| 23:07.40 | Cloudchaser | jason posted job at zaurus general |
| 23:07.44 | Cloudchaser | sounds like a neat job |
| 23:07.51 | TheMasterMind1 | we should turn bootup messages to full in /etc/default/whateverfilethatis |
| 23:08.09 | prpplague | kergoth: thats cool |
| 23:08.17 | TheMasterMind1 | # Set VERBOSE to "no" if you would like a more quiet bootup. |
| 23:08.17 | TheMasterMind1 | VERBOSE=no |
| 23:08.21 | TheMasterMind1 | in /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:08.27 | TheMasterMind1 | and make sure there's no other bootup errors that are being surpressed |
| 23:08.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: to fix any bugs? we dont want it verbose i nthe release |
| 23:08.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but i agree during our testing phases.. |
| 23:09.16 | DrakePT | kergoth: this rom I have has a stupid delay to show the password screen, allowing one to 'sneak' at what's running on bg... |
| 23:09.38 | DrakePT | is this solved either on OZ or this latest rom? |
| 23:09.56 | kergoth | DrakePT: dont know. i dont notice any delay in OZ. dont know about sharp. |
| 23:10.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hm, i just tested tar from cvs head and its working fine.. |
| 23:10.09 | DrakePT | uhmm.. .ok. good news |
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| 23:10.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: mkdir tmp; cd tmp; mkdir dev; touch dev/null; cd dev; tar pxvf /boot/dev.tar; ls -l null; |
| 23:10.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: do that. |
| 23:11.04 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm doing it on x86 |
| 23:11.16 | kergoth | then do a similar test |
| 23:11.20 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, ok |
| 23:11.24 | kergoth | maybe its only devices in tarballs or something |
| 23:11.28 | kergoth | that dev.tar is in build/oz-base/boot/... |
| 23:11.30 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:11.44 | kergoth | remember to extract devices you better be root |
| 23:11.57 | TheMasterMind1 | bleh |
| 23:12.47 | TheMasterMind1 | root@hubris:/home/agupta/test# ls -l dev/null |
| 23:12.47 | TheMasterMind1 | -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Oct 15 05:21 dev/null |
| 23:12.49 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm.. |
| 23:12.52 | TheMasterMind1 | what's that p do? |
| 23:12.53 | kergoth | bingo |
| 23:12.56 | kergoth | p? |
| 23:13.01 | kergoth | note its -rw-rw-rw- |
| 23:13.05 | kergoth | it should be crw-rw-rw- |
| 23:13.06 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, but what is tar p |
| 23:13.13 | kergoth | its a empty file, not a character device |
| 23:13.16 | kergoth | tar p is preserve permissions |
| 23:13.19 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:13.22 | kergoth | so see, same bug |
| 23:13.24 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i see the problem |
| 23:13.27 | kergoth | wonder if its only with devices |
| 23:13.27 | TheMasterMind1 | will try to fix |
| 23:13.29 | kergoth | or something |
| 23:13.30 | kergoth | dunno |
| 23:13.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i think it is |
| 23:13.34 | TheMasterMind1 | its only with devices |
| 23:13.41 | kergoth | i'm working to get a fucking working rom here |
| 23:13.46 | kergoth | and update the unstable feed with something usable |
| 23:13.47 | ciao_linux | does anyone know who Guylhem Aznar is? |
| 23:13.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:14.00 | prpplague | kergoth: i never tar ball devices nodes |
| 23:14.03 | kergoth | ciao_linux: guylhem drops by irc here once in a while |
| 23:14.09 | kergoth | ciao_linux: was on earlier |
| 23:14.13 | prpplague | kergoth: i get too many problems that way |
| 23:14.13 | kergoth | ciao_linux: (if its the same guy) |
| 23:14.22 | kergoth | prpplague: busybox tar particularly seems to hate it |
| 23:14.28 | ciao_linux | kergoth: yes, i think so... |
| 23:14.32 | kergoth | prpplague: but its the only way to do the build without requiring that the builder be root |
| 23:14.33 | prpplague | kergoth: so does sco tar command |
| 23:14.35 | kergoth | prpplague: :) |
| 23:14.53 | oGMo | prpplague: hey your unit get demoed at comdex? got any pics now? ;) |
| 23:15.05 | ciao_linux | kergoth: he wrote an article on jan issue of LJ about the zaurus |
| 23:15.20 | prpplague | oGMo: ya i hear it did, but no pics |
| 23:15.35 | prpplague | oGMo: i'm working on a howto, probably post next week |
| 23:15.41 | kergoth | ciao_linux: ahh, he was reporting that liquid wasnt working right, due to a qt/e patch from opie cvs i forgot to apply in a previous build |
| 23:15.44 | kergoth | ciao_linux: thats cool |
| 23:15.47 | oGMo | prpplague: k |
| 23:16.00 | oGMo | i'll bug you then |
| 23:16.10 | kergoth | prpplague: wish i couldve hit up the sharp booth when i was out at comdex, never found the damn thing |
| 23:16.11 | prpplague | oGMo: sounds good |
| 23:16.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:16.15 | oGMo | i'm looking at the stuff from alientechnology too |
| 23:16.17 | prpplague | kergoth: lol |
| 23:16.25 | oGMo | they have yet to get back to me even after repeated calls though ;P |
| 23:16.37 | ciao_linux | kergoth: not really ... he didn't mention oz! :-| |
| 23:16.41 | TheMasterMind1 | so what are device nods? s_ifblk? |
| 23:16.48 | TheMasterMind1 | s_ififo? |
| 23:16.49 | kergoth | ciao_linux: hrmph. |
| 23:16.53 | TheMasterMind1 | s_ifchr? |
| 23:16.53 | kergoth | ciao_linux: i hear he mentioned opie though right? |
| 23:16.56 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth, how much of this stuff should I ditch? Ie, docs, help, start page.. or should I leave it all in? |
| 23:16.57 | TheMasterMind1 | chr sounds right |
| 23:16.58 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 23:17.04 | ciao_linux | kergoth: yes, right |
| 23:17.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: see if it happens with block devices too, or just character |
| 23:17.16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how |
| 23:17.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: do the test it told you, but touch mtdblock1 or something isntead of null |
| 23:17.23 | kergoth | s/it/i/ |
| 23:17.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: see if it overwrites it |
| 23:17.56 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.56 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.56 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.56 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.56 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.04 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 23:18.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: mknod() eh? that overwrite? :) |
| 23:18.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i doubt it |
| 23:18.21 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:18.27 | TheMasterMind1 | does symlink() overwrite? |
| 23:18.37 | kergoth | If pathname already exists, or is a symlink, this call fails with an |
| 23:18.37 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.44 | kergoth | bingo |
| 23:18.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:19.06 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.07 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:19.08 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 23:19.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i vote we beat bug1 with a stick |
| 23:19.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: work for you? |
| 23:19.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 23:19.17 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good |
| 23:19.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i dont' wanna wait 8 hours though. |
| 23:19.30 | kergoth | so should we unlink() it first? |
| 23:19.39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:19.39 | TheMasterMind1 | should we? |
| 23:19.42 | kergoth | unlink, then mknod, or something? or check for -EEXIST |
| 23:19.49 | TheMasterMind1 | lets check |
| 23:20.06 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.14 | kergoth | i pasted that already |
| 23:20.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:20.21 | TheMasterMind1 | you're right |
| 23:20.21 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:20.23 | TheMasterMind1 | screw you :) |
| 23:20.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:20.30 | TheMasterMind1 | so how do i check errno |
| 23:20.38 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.07 | kergoth | if(res == -1){ if(errno == EEXIST){unlink()..mknod()..}} |
| 23:21.10 | kergoth | or some shit |
| 23:21.18 | TheMasterMind1 | its just a global thing like that? |
| 23:21.20 | TheMasterMind1 | intersting |
| 23:21.22 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:21.36 | TheMasterMind1 | so what should i do? put a patch in bk for now? |
| 23:21.41 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:21.44 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:22.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: going to do the same thing for the symlink() call? |
| 23:22.43 | TheMasterMind1 | sure.. |
| 23:22.49 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 23:22.50 | TheMasterMind1 | what if when you call it the second time it fails again |
| 23:22.51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:23.01 | TheMasterMind1 | nm this will work |
| 23:23.09 | kergoth | unless unlink() fails |
| 23:23.09 | TheMasterMind1 | if statements rock |
| 23:23.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:23.10 | kergoth | so do |
| 23:23.18 | kergoth | if(unlink(blah)){mknod()} |
| 23:23.18 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.18 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.18 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.18 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.18 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.19 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.20 | kergoth | easy enough |
| 23:23.22 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.23 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.35 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, good idea |
| 23:23.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: check the return value of unlink |
| 23:23.38 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:23.41 | TheMasterMind1 | && unlink() { |
| 23:23.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:24.15 | kergoth | its just a hack until bug1 does it the way he wants to do it anyway, who cares |
| 23:24.18 | kergoth | just make it work |
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| 23:24.19 | kergoth | :) |
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| 23:26.01 | TheMasterMind1 | eh, it borke |
| 23:26.02 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:26.06 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't create anything now |
| 23:26.25 | kergoth | err |
| 23:26.26 | kergoth | fun |
| 23:26.28 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:26.30 | TheMasterMind1 | lots |
| 23:27.37 | zsazs | j |
| 23:28.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: are we just bug finding machines or what? always hitting this shit |
| 23:28.19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: gives me a headache |
| 23:28.20 | kergoth | but thats okay |
| 23:28.21 | kergoth | heh |
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| 23:28.49 | kergoth | hey tux_mike |
| 23:29.14 | Com[Plex] | 16.8F = -8.44C |
| 23:29.20 | kergoth | okay the devpts script needs a bit of tweaking .. |
| 23:29.23 | tux_mike | hey |
| 23:29.25 | kergoth | but other than that, this image appears to be working |
| 23:29.31 | Com[Plex] | its cold |
| 23:30.00 | Cloudchaser | you live in maine Com[Plex]? |
| 23:30.05 | kergoth | whee |
| 23:30.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm in opie with ssh running again! |
| 23:30.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: wooot |
| 23:30.54 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm i see what its doing |
| 23:30.56 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:31.01 | TheMasterMind1 | it deletes but then doesn't mknod |
| 23:31.13 | TheMasterMind1 | probably got to do with the return value of unlink |
| 23:31.35 | TheMasterMind1 | On success, zero is returned. |
| 23:31.36 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 23:31.38 | TheMasterMind1 | weird shit |
| 23:32.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: just do if (unlink() == 0){mknod()} or something |
| 23:32.29 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:32.31 | TheMasterMind1 | i know c :) |
| 23:32.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:32.39 | ibz | it's clearer that way, for code reviews ;) |
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| 23:32.43 | kergoth | hey if you complain about it in here, i'm going to say something about it |
| 23:32.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:32.53 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet, its fixed |
| 23:32.58 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:33.01 | kergoth | push that patch upstream man |
| 23:33.06 | TheMasterMind1 | willdo |
| 23:33.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:33.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you'll have to resolve the conflict with busybox, i ahve a changeset which reverts it to september. just keep yours in the resolve ('ul', use local) |
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| 23:34.01 | kergoth | join, and gone |
| 23:34.03 | kergoth | odd |
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| 23:36.18 | TheMasterMind1 | history size (CONFIG_FEATURE_COMMAND_HISTORY) [15] (NEW) |
| 23:36.19 | TheMasterMind1 | 15? |
| 23:36.23 | DrakePT | erm... can I delete the contents of /home/tmp ? |
| 23:36.29 | ibz | no |
| 23:36.34 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf does 15 mean |
| 23:36.47 | DrakePT | ibz: k |
| 23:37.14 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: The history list has room for 15 entries |
| 23:38.00 | TheMasterMind1 | oh i see |
| 23:38.01 | sandman_ | I have set it to 63 for the new familiar bb build |
| 23:38.01 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:38.09 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:38.10 | TheMasterMind1 | why 63? |
| 23:38.14 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds random |
| 23:38.17 | TheMasterMind1 | other than 64-1 |
| 23:38.35 | sandman_ | exact :) |
| 23:38.44 | DrakePT | /home/root/Documents/application/ipkg <- is this an archive ? |
| 23:38.58 | sandman_ | It's an array that has history-size + 1 entries |
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| 23:39.07 | NetAmp | hmmm |
| 23:39.17 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: you could specify anything though ... |
| 23:39.19 | NetAmp | Qtopia Desktop 1.6 is reallllly beta |
| 23:39.36 | NetAmp | it screws up the ToDo list, could be combination with OZ? |
| 23:39.38 | kergoth | sandman_: keep me posted on that new familiar busybox ipk, i'd like to incorporate your use of update-alternatives into OZ's package :) |
| 23:39.58 | TheMasterMind1 | NetAmp: could be |
| 23:40.00 | sandman_ | kergoth: only after you have sorted out that tar bug ;) |
| 23:40.12 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: we just did |
| 23:40.14 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 23:40.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm pushing... |
| 23:40.23 | sandman_ | In bb CVS ? |
| 23:40.27 | NetAmp | TheMasterMind1: cuz the OZ task format differs from Qtopia doesn't it |
| 23:40.31 | TheMasterMind1 | no, waiting for bug1 to show up to do that |
| 23:40.36 | TheMasterMind1 | unless you wanna put it in cvs? |
| 23:40.38 | kergoth | sandman_: it calls mknod() and symlink() and doesnt check return value. both functions fail if the file already exists. and it didnt unlink() first. |
| 23:40.39 | sandman_ | ah ok |
| 23:40.58 | sandman_ | No -- it's bug1's code -- I don't want to mess with it |
| 23:41.04 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 23:41.04 | TheMasterMind1 | heh ok |
| 23:41.12 | TheMasterMind1 | this libunarhive is actually pretty sweet |
| 23:41.17 | TheMasterMind1 | uses structs with function pointers |
| 23:41.24 | TheMasterMind1 | its what i'm using for the new ipkg extraction routines |
| 23:41.42 | NetAmp | cool |
| 23:41.46 | NetAmp | are they fast? ;) |
| 23:41.50 | TheMasterMind1 | should be |
| 23:41.53 | TheMasterMind1 | it uses caching and stuff |
| 23:42.03 | NetAmp | turbo ipkg |
| 23:42.05 | NetAmp | *meep meep* |
| 23:42.16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: pushed |
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| 23:43.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: woot. pushed the last of my bits as well |
| 23:43.50 | TheMasterMind1 | yep, just pulled em |
| 23:43.58 | TheMasterMind1 | so we're set? time to do a fresh build.. |
| 23:44.00 | TheMasterMind1 | update unstable |
| 23:44.39 | kergoth | yep. |
| 23:44.43 | kergoth | I'm cleaning out a few dirs |
| 23:44.44 | kergoth | updating the opie cvs |
| 23:44.50 | kergoth | wiping my staging, rootfs, and all the ipks |
| 23:44.55 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good |
| 23:45.00 | kergoth | mrpropering busybox and ipkg on general principle |
| 23:45.02 | kergoth | then boom |
| 23:45.03 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:45.06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:45.06 | sandman_ | btw: i have commited a small fix to Opie CVS -- you don't need to restart Opie now if you change fonts |
| 23:45.10 | TheMasterMind1 | how'd that second test go? |
| 23:45.12 | kergoth | sandman_: oh nice |
| 23:45.14 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: w00t! |
| 23:45.17 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: very nice |
| 23:45.19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: which test? |
| 23:45.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you were booting your Z with rasmes-base or something |
| 23:45.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah yeah, works fine |
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| 23:45.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oz-base now does the job of both oz-base and ramses-base, works with both configurations |
| 23:45.53 | TheMasterMind1 | wonderfull.. |
| 23:45.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and Replaces both :) |
| 23:45.56 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: any news on weird LD_PRELOAD behaviour ? |
| 23:46.01 | kergoth | so thats one more issue down |
| 23:46.14 | kergoth | speaking of preload, that reminds me, need to look into preloading the font bits from qt/e 2.3.2 :) |
| 23:46.17 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: my Z is currently dead, i'm hoping it was something with this whole forking etc behavior caused by dev/null |
| 23:46.23 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: oz-base and ramses are the same? |
| 23:46.23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: why |
| 23:46.37 | sandman_ | kergoth: Already done for HancomWord ;) |
| 23:46.44 | kergoth | chouimat|bored: no, but they install different files depending on whether you selected a ramses kernel or a oz kernel |
| 23:46.49 | kergoth | sandman_: spiffy |
| 23:46.54 | TheMasterMind1 | that's what i need to test |
| 23:47.00 | sandman_ | just add a another strcmp to libpreload |
| 23:47.02 | TheMasterMind1 | see if it works with libc2.2.x or not |
| 23:47.09 | sandman_ | if you want to add another app |
| 23:47.22 | kergoth | great |
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| 23:47.33 | vmlinuz | hi all |
| 23:47.42 | sandman_ | Hancom works fine on my iPAQ with the OZ glibc 2.3 (even with liquid ) |
| 23:47.53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what about this opie-alarm thing? any progress on it? |
| 23:47.57 | vmlinuz | is there a way I can transfer an application from one Zaurus to another using infra red like with palms? |
| 23:48.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: havent had a chance to play with it. just fixed a issue with opieatd being started twice, and running twice.. hehe. |
| 23:48.24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:48.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i saw that patch |
| 23:48.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: will play with it shortly |
| 23:48.58 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i do a fresh rebuild of my buildroot without wiping out the sources/ |
| 23:49.05 | kergoth | make clean |
| 23:49.06 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:49.11 | kergoth | mrproper wipes sources as well |
| 23:49.14 | vmlinuz | anyone know ? |
| 23:49.14 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:49.15 | kergoth | its just like the make SUBDIRS=blah clean |
| 23:49.19 | kergoth | only global |
| 23:49.30 | TheMasterMind1 | vmlinuz: you can transfer files, dunno about apps |
| 23:49.40 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh, someone added diff? |
| 23:50.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:50.14 | TheMasterMind1 | wow, we've like solved the major issues on the ZZ forum.. 1) hancom 2) jeode 3) opera 4) alarms while in suspend mode |
| 23:50.18 | TheMasterMind1 | almost solved em anyway |
| 23:50.45 | kergoth | 1 and 3 thanks to sandman_ |
| 23:50.49 | kergoth | 2 due to Twiun's amazing work |
| 23:50.53 | vmlinuz | TheMasterMind1: how do you transfer files? |
| 23:50.58 | kergoth | and 4 is my integration of sandman's code |
| 23:51.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:51.01 | kergoth | woot |
| 23:51.28 | TheMasterMind1 | vmlinuz: in the sharp rom or in OZ |
| 23:51.29 | Twiun | lol... Com[Plex] did the hard work of actually getting the ipk together, I just helped him along ;-) |
| 23:51.50 | Twiun | it's like everything else - it's a team effort |
| 23:51.56 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]'s working on new versions of the other creators too now, so we're all set |
| 23:52.00 | vmlinuz | TheMasterMind1: what app do I use to transfer files? |
| 23:52.09 | TheMasterMind1 | vmlinuz: what rom? |
| 23:52.16 | kergoth | Twiun: yeap :) |
| 23:52.18 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 23:52.23 | TheMasterMind1 | why is my buildroot downloading 2.4.19 ? |
| 23:52.28 | kergoth | Twiun: and with your excellent work on the qtawt, theres an option avail |
| 23:52.36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oh, ramses-kernel is default=y |
| 23:52.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: disable it in your config |
| 23:52.41 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 23:52.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i need to update the def-cofnigs |
| 23:52.47 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:52.57 | sandman_ | kergoth: regarding 4 ... who wrote opie-alarm ? ;) |
| 23:53.12 | kergoth | sandman_: :) |
| 23:53.12 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie is working on kaffe with qtawt too |
| 23:53.15 | TheMasterMind1 | more choices |
| 23:53.20 | Twiun | yup |
| 23:53.24 | kergoth | sandman_: like i said, i just did a bit of integration :) |
| 23:53.33 | sandman_ | hehe |
| 23:53.51 | sandman_ | kergoth: Did you have to change something in opie-alarm ? |
| 23:54.06 | kergoth | sandman_: small tweak, made it attempt /dev/rtc if /dev/misc/rtc fails |
| 23:54.09 | vmlinuz | TheMasterMind1: I am on 1.38 of sharps rom |
| 23:54.11 | kergoth | sandman_: for non-devfs systems |
| 23:54.15 | Twiun | Ok... now this is annoying me - I'm trying to use diff/patch to remove two ifdef blocks in a file but it doesn't work as advertised... |
| 23:54.31 | Twiun | anyone know a good diff/patch tutorial - and yes I've been over the man page |
| 23:54.54 | TheMasterMind1 | /home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/packages/kernel/airo_cs-2.4.6.patch failed with error code 256 |
| 23:54.54 | TheMasterMind1 | sourcetree.pl: input is /home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/packages/kernel/kernel-battery.patch |
| 23:54.54 | TheMasterMind1 | sourcetree.pl: output is /home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/build/linux |
| 23:54.55 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf? |
| 23:55.02 | kergoth | err |
| 23:55.06 | kergoth | the airo patch failed? |
| 23:55.06 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: just diff -uNdr oldfile newfile > patch |
| 23:55.08 | TheMasterMind1 | then use the patch |
| 23:55.11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: all the patches failed |
| 23:55.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: make clean your kernel and kernel-ramses |
| 23:55.25 | TheMasterMind1 | /home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/sources/linux-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-sl5000d-20020318.gz failed with error code 512 |
| 23:55.28 | TheMasterMind1 | that might cause it |
| 23:55.30 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: I'll give it another try |
| 23:55.33 | TheMasterMind1 | i make cleaned everything |
| 23:55.40 | NetAmp | "Earlier this week the American research firm IDC has presented a research which concludes that Windows 2000 is cheaper in administration and support than the mostly free Linux-software. It has to be noted though that the study was financially supported by Microsoft." |
| 23:55.46 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 23:55.50 | *** join/#zaurus SillyZ (~sz@lnk-24-169-246-61.neb.rr.com) |
| 23:55.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: mrproper them both then |
| 23:55.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: or something |
| 23:56.40 | kergoth | alright, on the todo for tonight, is confirm opiealarm is behaving itself, and revamp the use of staging in the buildroot, and update the unstable feed |
| 23:56.51 | NetAmp | hm |
| 23:56.52 | kergoth | oh and clean up our BTS |
| 23:56.56 | kergoth | lots of bugs i need to close |
| 23:57.03 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 23:57.06 | NetAmp | good luck ;-) |
| 23:57.07 | TheMasterMind1 | and feature requests too |
| 23:57.09 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:57.15 | kergoth | lots of those are opie bugs, and belong in mantis |
| 23:57.18 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 23:57.19 | kergoth | lots of them are already fixed |
| 23:57.30 | TheMasterMind1 | one of the feature requests is for diff :) |
| 23:57.39 | *** part/#zaurus NetAmp (~netamp@cp234746-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) |
| 23:57.48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 23:57.52 | ibz | could someone with a buildroot do a which cc1 for me? |
| 23:58.41 | kergoth | cc1? that cc1 binary wont be used in a crosscompile.. |
| 23:58.52 | kergoth`bbl | im out |
| 23:58.53 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:59.02 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing like a dual 933mhz on a 42mbit connection |
| 23:59.04 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet stuff |
| 23:59.13 | ibz | complaining about cc1 not found |
| 23:59.17 | TheMasterMind1 | what is? |
| 23:59.21 | ibz | make; |
| 23:59.21 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: no luck... two changes in the file - going to try patching it by hand to see if it's a buildroot thing |
| 23:59.23 | kergoth`bbl | ibz: sounds like your toolchain sucks |
| 23:59.28 | kergoth`bbl | ibz: use the ones we recommend |
| 23:59.33 | kergoth`bbl | okay i'm really gone now :) |
| 23:59.33 | ibz | kergoth`bbl: i am |
| 23:59.37 | ibz | ok |
