| 00:00.15 | NetAmp | so you can change the Sharp Qtopia appearance also |
| 00:00.22 | NetAmp | built-in SSH |
| 00:00.26 | NetAmp | OPIE |
| 00:00.31 | boulez | Does anyone know who actually runs zaurusvip.com? Is it, definitively, run by Sharp? |
| 00:00.48 | NetAmp | ZhEN: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/whyoz.php |
| 00:01.32 | sandman__ | And you talking to right person .. I wrote the modprobe applet :) |
| 00:01.37 | sandman__ | wrong window |
| 00:02.20 | NetAmp | Registrant: Lulu Inc. 136 Quade Drive Raleigh, NC 27513 US 919.256.5858 |
| 00:02.20 | NetAmp | Domain Name: ZAURUSVIP.COM |
| 00:02.28 | boulez | right, I've checked that |
| 00:02.34 | NetAmp | ok :) |
| 00:02.53 | boulez | but who is lulu? and why do some people claim that the site is run by Sharp themselves? |
| 00:02.55 | TheMasterMind1 | zaurusvip was setup by the comodex people i think |
| 00:03.13 | boulez | oh hi TheMasterMind1...I've seen you in the other channel |
| 00:03.27 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, hi |
| 00:03.38 | boulez | But it is a little freaky....a site with nothing but a single form to take your credit card info |
| 00:03.47 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, i agree |
| 00:04.08 | NetAmp | yikes, FB VNC doesn't even install :S |
| 00:04.15 | NetAmp | I'll try a reboot... |
| 00:04.26 | TheMasterMind1 | yes reboot after installing vnc |
| 00:04.30 | boulez | Maybe I'll call that zulu place on monday, see what they tell me |
| 00:05.46 | NetAmp | Hey |
| 00:05.48 | NetAmp | what's this |
| 00:05.54 | NetAmp | I installed the FB VNC |
| 00:06.08 | NetAmp | and now the IPK isn't visible anymore in the Documents tab |
| 00:06.10 | NetAmp | weird.. |
| 00:06.21 | kergoth | NetAmp: you want hte one in the oz feeds |
| 00:06.29 | kergoth | NetAmp: dont use the fb vnc server packages from elsewhere |
| 00:06.34 | NetAmp | oops |
| 00:06.43 | NetAmp | I got it through the ZSI |
| 00:06.52 | NetAmp | ghehe... gonna do uninst |
| 00:08.00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: gimme access to the unstable feeds! |
| 00:08.05 | ZhEN | anyone know if OZ will work on the 5500? |
| 00:08.20 | NetAmp | I'm running it now |
| 00:08.24 | NetAmp | on SL-5500 |
| 00:08.25 | ZhEN | hmm |
| 00:08.30 | ZhEN | i can never get the damn thing to flash |
| 00:08.46 | ZhEN | it goes through the flashing process, then it dies |
| 00:08.50 | NetAmp | :S |
| 00:08.57 | NetAmp | what kind of CF card are you using? |
| 00:08.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i just updated them 5 minutes ago |
| 00:09.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) ipkg and busybox cvs HEAD |
| 00:09.05 | ZhEN | it wont turn on, and i have to flash back to sharp |
| 00:09.06 | NetAmp | And are your files named correctly? |
| 00:09.16 | ZhEN | NetAmp sandisk 128 |
| 00:09.17 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: fine |
| 00:09.23 | NetAmp | 'zImage' and 'initrd.bin' |
| 00:09.47 | ZhEN | NetAmp just those go on the flash card, correct? |
| 00:09.54 | NetAmp | hm... I got Dane-Elec 32MB, but Sandisk should work? |
| 00:09.55 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 00:09.59 | NetAmp | just those 2 files |
| 00:10.03 | NetAmp | on the CF card |
| 00:10.16 | ZhEN | which versions should i use? |
| 00:11.26 | NetAmp | ofcourse the ones for the 5500 |
| 00:11.29 | NetAmp | and I picked |
| 00:11.32 | NetAmp | ehm... |
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| 00:11.59 | NetAmp | I chose 40memory-24storage |
| 00:12.07 | ZhEN | NetAmp nice |
| 00:12.11 | NetAmp | zImage-5500-40memory-24storage.bin |
| 00:12.14 | ZhEN | hmm, i wonder if i should even attempt this |
| 00:12.29 | ZhEN | hmm every time i do it, something breaks and i have to send it back to sharp |
| 00:12.32 | NetAmp | dunno... I just kinda got bored with the Sharp ROM after a while |
| 00:12.38 | ZhEN | yeah, it is boring |
| 00:12.43 | ZhEN | and you had no probs w/ the flash? |
| 00:12.51 | NetAmp | so I got an on-sale CF while I was at a photo store ;) |
| 00:12.55 | NetAmp | and flashed me OZ |
| 00:13.07 | NetAmp | not really, I was getting on my nerves a bit though ;) |
| 00:13.18 | NetAmp | but the lights stayed on for like 3 minutes or so |
| 00:13.25 | NetAmp | then went off... and it just booted |
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| 00:13.39 | NetAmp | you should have it on the AC adapter anyway |
| 00:13.54 | NetAmp | while flashing |
| 00:14.30 | NetAmp | ah heck it hangs now |
| 00:14.36 | NetAmp | probably because of WinXP... argh |
| 00:15.02 | ZhEN | heh |
| 00:15.11 | ZhEN | why would it hang because of winxp? |
| 00:15.27 | NetAmp | remember, always listen to kergoth ;) Unless he tells you to jump off a bridge ofcourse :P |
| 00:15.40 | NetAmp | I shouldn't have attempted to install this package :'( |
| 00:15.42 | NetAmp | ZhEN: why? |
| 00:15.46 | NetAmp | well because |
| 00:15.51 | NetAmp | it's being a pain all the time |
| 00:15.55 | NetAmp | with the USB stuff |
| 00:16.21 | ZhEN | NetAmp heh |
| 00:17.08 | NetAmp | really, it's hell |
| 00:17.20 | NetAmp | some kind of compatibility issue |
| 00:17.40 | ZhEN | you used the 40 24 right netamp? |
| 00:17.53 | NetAmp | I actually UNinstalled the Sharp USB driver and it still works for some reason |
| 00:17.57 | NetAmp | yeah I got 40-24 |
| 00:18.06 | NetAmp | because I like a bit more memory |
| 00:18.19 | NetAmp | you can afford it especially with the 128MB SD ;) |
| 00:18.26 | ZhEN | NetAmp well, here goes nothing ;-) |
| 00:18.30 | NetAmp | Also they recommend it when you first use CF |
| 00:18.34 | NetAmp | good luck ZhEN |
| 00:18.36 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 00:18.36 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 00:20.20 | ZhEN | NetAmp what, remove the usb stuff |
| 00:21.38 | NetAmp | ? |
| 00:21.47 | NetAmp | no my USB driver |
| 00:21.55 | NetAmp | It wasn't working anymore |
| 00:21.59 | NetAmp | so i uninstalled |
| 00:22.14 | NetAmp | but XP didn't remove it so it seems... |
| 00:22.18 | NetAmp | XP is very weir :S |
| 00:22.20 | NetAmp | weird |
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| 00:23.51 | misato | TheMasterMind1: here? |
| 00:23.59 | NetAmp | oh no damnit it's really messed up now :( |
| 00:25.33 | NetAmp | kergoth: is there a log file for AQPkg? |
| 00:26.12 | TheMasterMind1 | misato: yes? |
| 00:26.13 | NetAmp | I try removing the VNC but it shows a set of errors then quits AQPkg |
| 00:26.19 | NetAmp | with a LOW MEMORY warning |
| 00:27.41 | misato | TheMasterMind1: usbnet patch for zaurus |
| 00:27.50 | misato | TheMasterMind1: 2.4.20 |
| 00:28.14 | TheMasterMind1 | what about it |
| 00:28.24 | misato | where can I find it :) |
| 00:28.30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:28.51 | TheMasterMind1 | it was emailed to the openzaurus users list |
| 00:28.53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth emailed it |
| 00:29.06 | misato | I'll look |
| 00:29.40 | NetAmp | heck |
| 00:30.10 | NetAmp | does anyone know where to see what the fbvnc IPK altered? |
| 00:30.12 | TheMasterMind1 | misato: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=1366787&forum_id=11798 thats one on using it |
| 00:30.20 | ZhEN | well, here we go |
| 00:30.22 | NetAmp | networking is offline |
| 00:30.24 | ZhEN | flashing as i speak |
| 00:30.29 | ZhEN | pray to the flash gods ;-) |
| 00:30.46 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 00:31.14 | ZhEN | NetAmp heh, i think that i should do a seyance(sp) or something |
| 00:31.23 | NetAmp | haha |
| 00:31.50 | NetAmp | Oh Wizard of OZ we call upon thee |
| 00:32.33 | ZhEN | done |
| 00:32.35 | ZhEN | gulp |
| 00:32.42 | NetAmp | and and? |
| 00:32.47 | NetAmp | does it start? ;) |
| 00:32.50 | NetAmp | it should |
| 00:33.11 | ZhEN | woot! |
| 00:33.12 | ZhEN | yay! |
| 00:33.29 | NetAmp | congratulations |
| 00:33.41 | NetAmp | Welcome to the magical realm of OZ :P |
| 00:33.44 | ZhEN | excellent, this makes me very happy ;-) |
| 00:33.44 | ZhEN | heh |
| 00:33.52 | ZhEN | i can run opie proggies too, correct? |
| 00:34.08 | NetAmp | yep |
| 00:34.19 | ZhEN | natively without much hassle? |
| 00:34.26 | NetAmp | it runs OPIE |
| 00:34.31 | ZhEN | sweet |
| 00:34.41 | NetAmp | yet another satisfied OZ customer ;) |
| 00:34.55 | NetAmp | "well... it's all in a days job" |
| 00:34.56 | ZhEN | arg, i will have to reedit my pcmcia conf to work with my nic |
| 00:35.02 | ZhEN | that was annoying |
| 00:35.04 | ZhEN | NetAmp heh |
| 00:35.06 | NetAmp | well yeah |
| 00:35.10 | NetAmp | probably |
| 00:35.24 | NetAmp | I had to do settings for my network |
| 00:35.28 | NetAmp | only to... |
| 00:35.35 | NetAmp | screw them up again! |
| 00:35.36 | NetAmp | hah :'( |
| 00:35.41 | NetAmp | which I just did actually |
| 00:35.59 | NetAmp | when installing that wrong VNC server |
| 00:36.07 | ZhEN | hhe |
| 00:36.11 | NetAmp | I think I need a hard reset :( |
| 00:36.12 | ZhEN | ooh, this is pretty |
| 00:36.14 | ZhEN | erg |
| 00:36.21 | ZhEN | well, i will bbl, time to play ;-) |
| 00:36.28 | NetAmp | have fun |
| 00:36.35 | NetAmp | you on Windows or Linux? |
| 00:37.21 | NetAmp | if you're on XP check out the faq on how to get internet working ;) ghehe |
| 00:37.24 | NetAmp | l8r |
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| 00:58.44 | ZhEN | how would i go about changing my backround pick in oz? |
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| 00:59.09 | TheMasterMind1 | go to settings |
| 00:59.10 | TheMasterMind1 | laucnher |
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| 00:59.18 | ZhEN | yeah |
| 00:59.20 | NetAmp | jeesh WinXP is scr*wed up in SO many ways |
| 00:59.23 | NetAmp | ouch |
| 00:59.28 | ZhEN | gotcha |
| 00:59.35 | ZhEN | NetAmp use gentoo linux :-) |
| 00:59.41 | NetAmp | took me half an hour to get the network back argh... |
| 00:59.49 | NetAmp | ZhEN: heh good idea ;) |
| 01:00.17 | NetAmp | I have Mandrake next to WinXP |
| 01:00.23 | NetAmp | maybe I could try it... |
| 01:00.32 | ZhEN | nah, use gentoo |
| 01:00.34 | ZhEN | it is better |
| 01:00.41 | ZhEN | what is the Z's screen size? |
| 01:00.42 | TheMasterMind1 | debian is better |
| 01:00.48 | NetAmp | 240x320 pixels |
| 01:00.50 | TheMasterMind1 | ZhEN: 320x240 |
| 01:00.53 | NetAmp | 65,000+ colors |
| 01:00.53 | ZhEN | there is no reason to have a 1280x1024 background |
| 01:01.00 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1 thats what i thought - thanks |
| 01:01.09 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1 i think they are about equal - |
| 01:01.19 | ZhEN | they both have their strengths and weaknesses |
| 01:01.30 | NetAmp | TheMasterMind1: I just did a full reset, and it keeps the PIM stuff.. is that right? |
| 01:01.40 | NetAmp | heh |
| 01:01.40 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 01:01.43 | TheMasterMind1 | it will remove your RAM |
| 01:01.54 | TheMasterMind1 | so if you don't have stuff installed in there, you're fine |
| 01:01.57 | NetAmp | oh so it keeps the stuff on /root? |
| 01:02.02 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 01:02.07 | NetAmp | well I had FBVNC installed there I guess |
| 01:02.12 | NetAmp | I dunno where it went |
| 01:02.17 | ZhEN | any place that i can get opie specific software? |
| 01:02.18 | NetAmp | I hope I got rid of it now |
| 01:02.25 | NetAmp | yeah, in the OZ feed |
| 01:02.36 | NetAmp | there's OPIE ipkgs |
| 01:03.13 | NetAmp | when you get internet working |
| 01:03.21 | NetAmp | you can use OPIE's package manager |
| 01:03.32 | NetAmp | to install from the http feed directly ;) |
| 01:03.36 | ZhEN | NetAmp its working ;-) |
| 01:03.38 | ZhEN | that is too cool |
| 01:03.59 | NetAmp | sweet ;) |
| 01:04.32 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ipks/ <-- new mplayer compile from cvs with oggvorbis support as well as a lot more optimizations. runs REALLY well on OZ. almost 0 frame dropped for all the movies i tried. |
| 01:04.48 | NetAmp | wow |
| 01:04.51 | NetAmp | thanks TheMasterMind1 |
| 01:05.02 | NetAmp | I was just looking to install a Mediaplayer |
| 01:05.07 | TheMasterMind1 | this is commandline |
| 01:05.12 | NetAmp | I forgot it doesn't come in by default |
| 01:05.13 | NetAmp | oh... |
| 01:05.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 01:05.19 | TheMasterMind1 | not for long though |
| 01:05.23 | TheMasterMind1 | xmms-e will be in the feeds soon |
| 01:05.27 | NetAmp | is there another like the one with the Sharp rom |
| 01:05.28 | NetAmp | :o |
| 01:05.30 | NetAmp | oh man |
| 01:05.36 | NetAmp | XMMS kicks ass ;) |
| 01:05.39 | NetAmp | though... errr |
| 01:05.49 | NetAmp | i'd have to install X then? |
| 01:05.53 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 01:05.58 | TheMasterMind1 | this is xmms-embedded |
| 01:05.59 | NetAmp | or qtopia-x or whatever |
| 01:06.01 | NetAmp | oh |
| 01:06.02 | TheMasterMind1 | a frontend for mplayer basically |
| 01:06.04 | TheMasterMind1 | works with opie |
| 01:06.05 | NetAmp | that's nice :) |
| 01:06.10 | NetAmp | real nice ;) |
| 01:06.15 | NetAmp | skinnable? :) |
| 01:06.22 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 01:06.26 | RockGtrSeattle | so there's an X-QTopia translation layer? |
| 01:06.30 | TheMasterMind1 | extremely. you can use all xmms skins |
| 01:06.31 | NetAmp | hah |
| 01:06.43 | TheMasterMind1 | RockGtrSeattle: no i don't think so |
| 01:06.48 | RockGtrSeattle | or should I say.. emulation layer..? |
| 01:06.49 | RockGtrSeattle | k.. |
| 01:06.51 | kergoth | RockGtrSeattle: its a Xvnc server, you just connect to it with keypebble |
| 01:06.52 | RockGtrSeattle | I didn't think so either. |
| 01:06.59 | kergoth | RockGtrSeattle: its a hack, but hey |
| 01:06.59 | RockGtrSeattle | ah. |
| 01:07.25 | TheMasterMind1 | someone try those ipks i pasted and tell me if its working good |
| 01:07.26 | TheMasterMind1 | it should be |
| 01:07.30 | RockGtrSeattle | wait.. did you just say to connect back into the Z with a VNC server to run an X app? or did I miss something? |
| 01:08.06 | kergoth | RockGtrSeattle: right. you run a X vnc server on the Z, then connect to it locally with the vnc viewer |
| 01:08.30 | RockGtrSeattle | lol.. that's awesome! |
| 01:09.36 | NetAmp | whoa |
| 01:09.39 | NetAmp | surf's up |
| 01:09.44 | NetAmp | cowabunga! |
| 01:10.16 | NetAmp | oh man |
| 01:10.27 | NetAmp | it can't download fbvncserver-oz :( |
| 01:11.00 | NetAmp | kergoth: it's still in testing? |
| 01:11.04 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:11.08 | NetAmp | OZ VNC |
| 01:11.10 | NetAmp | server |
| 01:11.11 | kergoth | the package name is fbvncserver, not fbvncserver-oz |
| 01:11.18 | NetAmp | fbvncserver-oz_0.1.1..> |
| 01:11.18 | kergoth | no, its not in testing, its tested and confirmed to work fine |
| 01:11.26 | kergoth | I suspect you want the one in the unstable feed, not stable. |
| 01:11.42 | NetAmp | hm it's not in Stable feed |
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| 01:12.05 | NetAmp | also not in Unstable |
| 01:12.07 | NetAmp | only in Testing |
| 01:12.15 | NetAmp | weird :S |
| 01:12.32 | kergoth | eh? |
| 01:12.41 | NetAmp | this one http://www.openzaurus.org/feeds/unstable/ |
| 01:12.44 | kergoth | oh, thats right, its not in unstable cause i just wiped that feed |
| 01:12.47 | kergoth | i'm updating it as we speak |
| 01:12.51 | NetAmp | oh hah ;) |
| 01:13.06 | kergoth | :) |
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| 01:17.16 | NetAmp | *yawn* I'll play with VNC later |
| 01:17.28 | NetAmp | anyway X vnc and XMMS sound really good ;) |
| 01:17.37 | NetAmp | Especially XMMS 'sounds' really good :P |
| 01:17.44 | NetAmp | Okay that was a stupid joke... |
| 01:17.54 | NetAmp | I'm off ;) |
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| 01:29.20 | Com[Plex] | unf |
| 01:29.26 | kergoth | hey Com[Plex] |
| 01:29.32 | Com[Plex] | hiya :> |
| 01:29.37 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 01:30.11 | Com[Plex] | pretty good. got paid for working in the greenhouse and stuff. |
| 01:30.19 | kergoth | nice |
| 01:30.27 | Com[Plex] | got to build part of a rock gym today too. |
| 01:30.34 | Com[Plex] | afk 2 sec |
| 01:32.44 | Com[Plex] | got a friend who has a rock gym here in Maine. if youve ever seen one before, they are pretty bad ass. his had this big bouldering cave in it, but it burned up a lot of space and wasnt very useful. so they tore it all out, made a whole new one, thats huge, tons of space. really opens the gym up. |
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| 01:33.01 | kergoth | nice. |
| 01:33.21 | kergoth | I used to rock climb, both in gyms and outdoor, but havent in about 6 months now |
| 01:33.53 | RockGtrSeattle | the rock gyms here in seattle I *think* started with the on that REI built in their big seattle store. |
| 01:34.12 | Com[Plex] | cool. I was never into the ourdoor thing. - I dont like reaching into a pocket and puling out a hand full of gravel. |
| 01:35.19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:35.35 | Com[Plex] | I havent been to the gym in years tho. - I used to go all the time, but I got jumped a few years back, and my fingers and ribs were busted up so much I coudlnt climb anymore. |
| 01:36.13 | Com[Plex] | then I turned all my muscle into fat with a really nice sit down job, and lost interest in driving two hours to go climbing in the gym. |
| 01:36.30 | kergoth | I've been slackin myself |
| 01:36.40 | kergoth | hard to find the motivation |
| 01:37.49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: something's wrong with ssh from unstable. wont' run |
| 01:38.10 | Com[Plex] | so thats my sob story. anyway. on the bright side, I wokr for the gym once in a while, - I bring the big portable wall to fairs and stuff over the northeast, set it up,. belay people on it all day,. do demos, lessons, all sorts of stuff. - Im a pretty talented climber, not the best, but I can solve some more difficult problems. |
| 01:38.44 | Com[Plex] | I have a lot of power, but not endurance. I shoudl really get my shit together and train some. |
| 01:39.25 | kergoth | I need to pick up an olympic weight set and throw together a training facility in my garage |
| 01:39.29 | kergoth | thatd be nice and convenient |
| 01:40.03 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 01:40.09 | Com[Plex] | and it would sit there? |
| 01:40.30 | kergoth | naw |
| 01:40.42 | kergoth | my punching bag and knife throwing targets have gotten a lot of use in my garage :) |
| 01:40.46 | kergoth | just need weights |
| 01:44.23 | jbardin | damn animals, had a bowl of lucky charms, my father calls, i goto write down his number on my comp, come back and the whole bowl is gone |
| 01:47.39 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:48.33 | treke|home | never leave a cat alone with a turkey |
| 01:48.42 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:48.53 | jbardin | haha |
| 01:48.54 | jbardin | true |
| 01:48.57 | treke|home | you'd be amazed how much they can eat in a very short time |
| 01:49.21 | RockGtrSeattle | lmao |
| 01:49.28 | jbardin | dies java have pointerS? |
| 01:49.35 | treke|home | my step mother was pissed to all hell at me and my father until she found the cat with the remains :) |
| 01:49.35 | RockGtrSeattle | not exactly. |
| 01:49.44 | RockGtrSeattle | short answer: no. java doesn't have pointers |
| 01:49.52 | jbardin | ok cool |
| 01:50.03 | jbardin | looking at this comp class and its in java |
| 01:50.04 | kergoth | no pointers.. |
| 01:50.13 | jbardin | i took a c++ class at com. college and nearly bombed it |
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| 01:50.17 | dep | long answer....all object references in Java are pointers |
| 01:50.19 | jbardin | cause oif poiunters |
| 01:50.30 | RockGtrSeattle | longer answer: everything in java is a pointer - so everything in java is treated as if there are no pointers. |
| 01:50.51 | dep | not quite right...native types aren't pointers |
| 01:50.57 | RockGtrSeattle | true. |
| 01:51.06 | RockGtrSeattle | sorry, I over-generalized. |
| 01:51.20 | kergoth | pointers are spiffy. |
| 01:51.28 | dep | grin...yeah. |
| 01:51.31 | RockGtrSeattle | pointers *can* be spiffy.. |
| 01:51.38 | treke|home | pointers are evil when you screw up |
| 01:51.39 | ChipX86 | pointers are good clean fun |
| 01:51.49 | RockGtrSeattle | but I find that not having them really hasn't gotten in the way of my doing Java dev work. |
| 01:51.58 | dep | pointers are good....i grew up on C, though now i admire java because C and C++ are just so dangerous |
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| 01:56.01 | RockGtrSeattle | well, C++ is to computer programming what nuclear fission is the energy... extremely dangerous in the hands of the stupid.. ;) |
| 01:56.25 | chouimat|alias | RockGtrSeattle: about 95% of programmers (MFC) |
| 01:56.37 | RockGtrSeattle | LMAO |
| 01:56.53 | RockGtrSeattle | I forgot about that.. ;) |
| 01:57.28 | RockGtrSeattle | of course that's just like the energy industry.. 95% of them want to use nuclear fission.. and they have no business going near it.. ;) |
| 01:58.07 | treke|home | well on the bright side you'll soon be able to use python for qtopia :) |
| 01:58.34 | RockGtrSeattle | i'm happy with Java... thanks tho.. ;) |
| 01:59.01 | RockGtrSeattle | actually I've only played with python a bit... seemed well designed tho. |
| 01:59.24 | bill2or3 | I just got my Zaurus, what are the "must have" apps? |
| 01:59.29 | jbardin | i actyualluy find QT's c++ framework rather easy to work with |
| 01:59.46 | jbardin | bill2or3 your favortie emulator |
| 01:59.53 | jbardin | check zsi for the listing |
| 01:59.59 | bill2or3 | heh |
| 02:00.02 | bill2or3 | so, mame |
| 02:00.12 | kergoth | iqnotes, puzz-le, prboom |
| 02:00.20 | jbardin | i enjoy, froot |
| 02:00.20 | treke|home | opie |
| 02:00.48 | treke|home | portabase |
| 02:00.59 | kergoth | one of these days i need to remember to look at portabase |
| 02:01.01 | kergoth | keep forgetting |
| 02:01.07 | jbardin | portabase? |
| 02:01.07 | treke|home | and opie-reader |
| 02:01.09 | RockGtrSeattle | I wanna run JDataStore on a Z from within that JVM.. ;) |
| 02:01.22 | treke|home | jbardin: simple database app |
| 02:01.31 | treke|home | whole lot simpler than rekall |
| 02:02.19 | jbardin | wow, that loks quite cool |
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| 02:08.29 | ZhEN | anyone know of a nice gui smb mount proggie for oz? |
| 02:09.56 | jbardin | can you not setup autofs on the z? |
| 02:10.15 | bill2or3 | if I have a 802.11 card should I even bother setting up the cradle? |
| 02:17.50 | treke|home | bill2or3: cant sync over 802.11 |
| 02:18.05 | kergoth | not on 2.38 anyway |
| 02:18.07 | dep | the card works fine for me...i have no problem syncing |
| 02:19.26 | dep | other than that to-do's seem to get messed...most of the other stuff works ok |
| 02:20.41 | dep | hmmm....system info reports my sl5500 as an sl5000 |
| 02:20.53 | treke|home | dep: it works in opie, not on the sharp rom |
| 02:21.03 | treke|home | and todo doesnt sync well because the file format has changed a bit |
| 02:21.10 | bill2or3 | I dont really care about syncing to any desktop apps, Ijust want to install stuff |
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| 02:21.35 | dep | bill: are you planning on running on the sharp rom or oz? |
| 02:22.57 | dep | damn....i keep trying to use the stylus on my laptop screen to switch tabs |
| 02:23.09 | bill2or3 | dep, the sharp rom for a while anyway |
| 02:23.47 | bill2or3 | hmm |
| 02:24.03 | Titan | does anyone know where I can get a CF GPS that works with Zaurus? |
| 02:24.09 | dep | check some of the discussion in zauruszone...they took out 802 syncing because it is a security risk |
| 02:24.27 | dep | but left root passwords unprotected when you use 802 |
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| 02:26.11 | bill2or3 | that's no good |
| 02:26.21 | blackhat13 | hi all |
| 02:26.36 | blackhat13 | wadup |
| 02:26.43 | blackhat13 | uthere |
| 02:27.04 | blackhat13 | f**** is place |
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| 02:27.15 | kergoth | wtf was that? |
| 02:29.56 | jbardin | hahaha |
| 02:32.14 | jbardin | well he doesnt even know howto say fuck |
| 02:32.16 | jbardin | er spell |
| 02:32.45 | kergoth | yeah, apparently it has 5 letters |
| 02:32.51 | kergoth | what does fuck is place mean anyway? |
| 02:34.00 | ZhEN | hmm |
| 02:34.06 | ZhEN | opieplayer does not do mp3? |
| 02:34.15 | treke|home | yes it does |
| 02:34.22 | kergoth | it does, if you have the libmadplugin and the libmpeg plugin |
| 02:34.33 | ZhEN | kergoth ahh, let me see if i have those |
| 02:34.45 | jbardin | hahaha |
| 02:35.26 | ljp | actually it does mp11 |
| 02:36.03 | ZhEN | hmm |
| 02:36.56 | ljp | its just that much better |
| 02:37.01 | ljp | heh :) |
| 02:37.16 | ZhEN | ;-) |
| 02:38.07 | ZhEN | does it do shoutcast out of the box? |
| 02:39.01 | ljp | it should yes |
| 02:39.30 | ZhEN | hmm |
| 02:39.41 | ZhEN | when i copy and paste into opieplayer it just kinda sits there |
| 02:39.46 | ZhEN | is it buffering or something? |
| 02:40.09 | jbardin | sweet, i registerd for an AI class |
| 02:40.20 | jbardin | ah, fuck its grad level |
| 02:40.22 | jbardin | thats no good |
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| 02:41.19 | jbardin | hmm i could take a cobol class |
| 02:41.32 | Hellaenergy | what is the 5600 all about? |
| 02:41.35 | kergoth | cobol? for what? |
| 02:41.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:41.37 | kergoth | hey Hellaenergy |
| 02:41.44 | Hellaenergy | hey kergoth |
| 02:41.44 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:41.50 | jbardin | cause i can? |
| 02:41.59 | bill2or3 | is there a 'setting up sync with linux' faq? |
| 02:42.02 | DaWorm | go for it |
| 02:42.51 | treke|home | Hellaenergy: what do you mean what is it all about? |
| 02:43.03 | treke|home | its about the music man |
| 02:43.25 | Hellaenergy | treke|home: is it a new replacement for the 5500? |
| 02:44.49 | treke|home | its a replacement for the 5500, dont know if they've gone into details abbout how they are marketing it |
| 02:45.34 | TheMasterMind1 | bill2or3: you're welcome to write one. please do when you figure out your problems |
| 02:45.44 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm assuming you're using oz? |
| 02:45.44 | Hellaenergy | ibot: 5600 is at http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1027,00.html |
| 02:45.45 | | ...but 5600 is already something else... |
| 02:46.00 | bill2or3 | I'm using the sharp rom.. |
| 02:46.00 | Hellaenergy | ibot: 5600 |
| 02:46.01 | | it has been said that 5600 is see sl-5600 |
| 02:46.09 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot sl-5600 |
| 02:46.10 | | hmm... sl-5600 is the newest zaurus, announced Nov12. More info available at http://www.sharpusa.com/products/FunctionPressReleases/0,1079,32,00.html and http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1016,00.html and photos available at http://psifertex.com/gallery/sl5600 |
| 02:46.17 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot sl-5600 is also http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1027,00.html |
| 02:46.18 | | okay, TheMasterMind1 |
| 02:46.33 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot c700 |
| 02:46.34 | | no idea, TheMasterMind1 |
| 02:46.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot c700 is http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus2003/ |
| 02:46.57 | | TheMasterMind1: okay |
| 02:47.18 | Hellaenergy | wow it has a Intel® 400MHz XScale" processor1 |
| 02:47.27 | Hellaenergy | nice |
| 02:47.32 | Hellaenergy | anyone here have one? |
| 02:47.40 | DaWorm | what? |
| 02:47.45 | DaWorm | its not even out yet |
| 02:47.45 | kergoth | they're not being sold yet |
| 02:48.00 | Hellaenergy | developers have access? |
| 02:48.05 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 02:48.07 | kergoth | nope |
| 02:48.09 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 02:48.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to access em c700s |
| 02:48.21 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:49.58 | treke|home | Hellaenergy: They just plain havent been built yet according to jason |
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| 03:11.08 | bill2or3 | has anyone here got the d-link wifi card? |
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| 03:17.40 | LordDavon | Hello everyone |
| 03:18.13 | noda | Hello |
| 03:19.33 | kergoth | hey LordDavon |
| 03:19.52 | LordDavon | Heya kergoth. |
| 03:19.58 | LordDavon | Glad to see you awake. :) |
| 03:20.08 | kergoth | yeah, it happens |
| 03:20.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:20.12 | LordDavon | lol |
| 03:20.14 | kergoth | still sick, not feeling well |
| 03:20.24 | LordDavon | I hate being sick. |
| 03:20.48 | LordDavon | Hey, does OZ use the same pthreads as Sharp? |
| 03:20.59 | kergoth | me too, I only get sick once every few years though, so its okay |
| 03:21.03 | kergoth | we use pthreads from libc |
| 03:21.07 | kergoth | our libc is a slightly newer version afaicr |
| 03:21.44 | LordDavon | I wonder if that could be the problem with the seg faults and the floating point error. |
| 03:22.01 | LordDavon | I niticed that the apps that are failing are all compiled to use pthreads. |
| 03:22.04 | kergoth | its possible.. ever get a backtrace of that segfault? |
| 03:22.08 | LordDavon | Nope. |
| 03:22.29 | LordDavon | I haven't had a chance to flash back to OZ and test. |
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| 03:23.05 | kergoth | gotcha. |
| 03:23.09 | LordDavon | Mark Hart and I are starting a new developers group and I think I am going to make that a task on our list. :) |
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| 03:23.14 | kergoth | well i'll play with it when i get a chance, been extremely busy |
| 03:23.15 | kergoth | cool |
| 03:23.19 | andrius | hi all |
| 03:23.30 | LordDavon | Hello andrius. |
| 03:23.48 | LordDavon | handhelds is going to host the projects and the mailing lists. |
| 03:23.55 | andrius | got what should be a relatively easy question.... |
| 03:23.59 | LordDavon | Embedded Linux Developers Group. |
| 03:24.20 | DaWorm | wow |
| 03:24.22 | DaWorm | a new group |
| 03:24.24 | DaWorm | i read about that |
| 03:24.32 | LordDavon | Heya DaWorm. |
| 03:24.49 | LordDavon | We have a few new apps that we are going to release under the new group. |
| 03:24.57 | kergoth | sounds interesting. |
| 03:25.20 | LordDavon | Port of UAE, DOSBox (if I can get the last bug worked out), Abuse and a few others. |
| 03:25.25 | andrius | would anyone know, if I'm trying to do an ipkg install off the internet (a website), through wireless....where would I stick the ipkg, in a standard install zaurus |
| 03:25.33 | andrius | ? |
| 03:25.39 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:25.50 | noda | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.52 | DaWorm | the MAX projects going to part of the new groups? |
| 03:25.55 | kergoth | if you're installing directly with ipkg install http://url/blah.ipk... |
| 03:26.14 | LordDavon | Yes DaWorm. |
| 03:26.20 | DaWorm | coolies |
| 03:26.26 | andrius | you're talking about a network install? |
| 03:26.31 | veritas | is a feed just a directory on a website with a file that contains descriptions? |
| 03:26.42 | noda | Yes. |
| 03:26.45 | kergoth | veritas: yep. Packages file contains the control files of all the ipks |
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| 03:26.53 | andrius | like add/remove software |
| 03:26.56 | LordDavon | brb.. daughter is awake. |
| 03:27.01 | andrius | install software from networks |
| 03:27.07 | brontos | any of you successfully synced the z with evolution? |
| 03:27.19 | andrius | err install packages via networks |
| 03:27.34 | andrius | then feed it the url directly? |
| 03:28.22 | kergoth | andrius: id just open a konsole and type 'ipkg install <url to ipk>' |
| 03:28.48 | andrius | ah, but konsole is what I'm trying to install |
| 03:29.06 | andrius | like I said, it's a standard install |
| 03:29.16 | kergoth | andrius: then download it and put it somewhere the package installer can get to it |
| 03:29.24 | kergoth | andrius: /home/root/Documents/ for example |
| 03:30.36 | andrius | kergoth: keeps telling me that there's a problem |
| 03:30.46 | andrius | lemme give you the exact error |
| 03:31.10 | kergoth`tv | bbl |
| 03:32.31 | andrius | thank you, kergoth.... |
| 03:32.35 | andrius | figured it out:) |
| 03:37.01 | brontos | how can I ftp into my zaurus? |
| 03:37.44 | dep | brontos: connect to port 4242 |
| 03:37.50 | dep | see the faq |
| 03:37.54 | brontos | dep I have been trying to |
| 03:38.06 | brontos | ftp 192.168.0.14 [4242] |
| 03:38.20 | brontos | right? |
| 03:38.30 | jbardin | it has to be on a certain ip for it to work |
| 03:38.53 | brontos | jbardin so if I change the ip the ftp won't work? |
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| 03:39.22 | dep | no [ ] around the port number??? |
| 03:39.29 | brontos | jbardin: becuase the qdesktop is able to sync it after I changed the ip |
| 03:40.04 | brontos | dep dang I am a freaking idiot |
| 03:40.21 | brontos | lol |
| 03:40.33 | dep | can't remember if you need a : separator |
| 03:40.48 | brontos | naw you don't |
| 03:41.26 | LordDavon | back |
| 03:41.38 | dep | you think you're an idiot...i keep using my stylus on my portable screen, then wonder why it doesn't work |
| 03:41.41 | brontos | dep have you ever tried to sync with evolution? |
| 03:41.49 | LordDavon | shit. she is awake again, |
| 03:41.51 | LordDavon | brb |
| 03:41.55 | dep | brontos: no |
| 03:42.01 | brontos | lol |
| 03:42.26 | treke|home | LordDavon: One word. valium |
| 03:44.42 | LordDavon | back. She is in my bed now. |
| 03:44.51 | LordDavon | trek: lol... |
| 03:44.57 | LordDavon | treke that is |
| 03:45.21 | LordDavon | The divorce is kinda tough on her. She is not used to her mother not being around. |
| 03:45.35 | LordDavon | In a million years I wouldn't have imagined that I would be a single parent. |
| 03:47.41 | LordDavon | It is ok. We had a long talk and she said that she wont be cranky when I am working on the dynamism project. ;) |
| 03:47.52 | treke|home | if she's young, it should be easier on her. Assuming you can deal with your ex without fighting too much |
| 03:48.24 | LordDavon | She is going to be 3 on xmas. |
| 03:51.31 | LordDavon | Oh... On a good note. If you set the frameskip in MaxMame to 0.7, then gauntlet runs at full speed. ;) |
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| 03:53.23 | LordDavon | Anyone here use MaxMame? I don't think I have really ever sat down to play a game on it. :-/ |
| 03:53.29 | brontos | any of you know where directions are to set up my computer as a proxy so that my zaurus could connect to the net? |
| 03:53.49 | LordDavon | Which OS brontos? |
| 03:53.52 | bill2or3 | I just got my networking going, can I install a terminal app from a feed? |
| 03:54.26 | brontos | linux |
| 03:55.00 | LordDavon | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/lc_generic.shtml |
| 03:56.00 | jbardin | anyone familar with strongbad email? |
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| 03:59.26 | Com[Plex] | oh course |
| 03:59.36 | Com[Plex] | keep on scrolling my scrigglies |
| 04:00.42 | boulez | hi |
| 04:00.44 | Com[Plex] | hiya boulez |
| 04:01.10 | Com[Plex] | 3/me sets mode: +v boulez |
| 04:01.12 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 04:01.24 | boulez | hehehe |
| 04:01.42 | Com[Plex] | has anyone here used that game "queue" for the z? |
| 04:02.20 | Com[Plex] | I cant get ti to run under oz3. its a java app, and when I try t run it, <from konsole> I get an error "no class defined" - hang on, let me make sur thats the exact quote |
| 04:04.17 | Com[Plex] | well. when I ryun it now, I get the error "/bin/sh: can't open runqueue" |
| 04:04.40 | Com[Plex] | when I change to the path with the runqueue file in it, and try to run it, it returns to the priompt. nothing happens. |
| 04:04.45 | Com[Plex] | hmm... |
| 04:07.06 | Com[Plex] | running evm -cp /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/java/queue.jar bails out with the error "no initial class specified |
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| 04:13.32 | brontos | What would the equivalent of this be in ipchains? |
| 04:13.33 | brontos | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o ethX --to MY_IP |
| 04:13.34 | brontos | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 04:13.37 | brontos | ? |
| 04:13.46 | brontos | oops not the echo |
| 04:19.38 | whytenoiz | there's a couple HOWTO's out there that explain a workaround using ipchains. |
| 04:19.45 | whytenoiz | I can look one of them up, hang on. |
| 04:19.50 | brontos | k thanks |
| 04:23.01 | whytenoiz | http://humphrey.applitec.com/zaurus/ |
| 04:23.08 | whytenoiz | he's got something going there. |
| 04:23.14 | whytenoiz | wasn't able to pull it off myself |
| 04:23.23 | brontos | thanks for the help |
| 04:23.23 | whytenoiz | but then I have a kernel built for iptables.. |
| 04:23.26 | whytenoiz | sure. |
| 04:24.09 | brontos | yeah I am thinking about recompiling to use iptables... |
| 04:25.01 | TheMasterMind1 | recompiling? |
| 04:27.35 | whytenoiz | pc I hope. |
| 04:29.27 | Titan | anyone, does the pretec GPS card work with Zaurus? |
| 04:32.03 | bill2or3 | is setting a root password going to cause any problems? |
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| 04:36.26 | TheMasterMind1 | bill2or3: what rom |
| 04:36.36 | TheMasterMind1 | Titan: did you see my post on ZZ? |
| 04:37.15 | bill2or3 | mm1, sharp |
| 04:39.04 | whytenoiz | TheMasterMind1: Have you put anything out on the net for auto usbdnet config on cradle |
| 04:40.10 | LordDavon | Ok. Bed time for me. Got to work in the morning. |
| 04:40.14 | LordDavon | Night everyone. |
| 04:40.22 | whytenoiz | night LordDavon |
| 04:41.25 | bill2or3 | is there a zaurus irc client that supports channel keys? |
| 04:41.39 | bill2or3 | bitchx maybe? |
| 04:41.55 | TheMasterMind1 | whytenoiz: nope. not personally |
| 04:42.04 | TheMasterMind1 | someone today was saying something about hotplug config |
| 04:42.10 | TheMasterMind1 | i told him to write an faq entry on it |
| 04:42.40 | whytenoiz | Kewl. I'll be looking for that... crashed my pc dinking around today. |
| 04:45.13 | DaWorm | ok..now i fix my stuff now |
| 04:45.14 | DaWorm | bbl |
| 04:49.00 | Com[Plex] | channel keys? |
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| 04:50.01 | Com[Plex] | damnit. I still cant get this queue running on my z |
| 04:53.38 | TheMasterMind1 | what queue |
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| 04:56.19 | Com[Plex] | "queue" is a game |
| 04:56.29 | Com[Plex] | ibot search zsi queue |
| 04:56.30 | | Com[Plex]: I give up, what is it? |
| 04:56.39 | Com[Plex] | wtf. did I trype something wrong? |
| 04:56.41 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot zsi queue |
| 04:56.44 | Com[Plex] | grr |
| 04:56.52 | Com[Plex] | I hate that stupid bot |
| 04:56.55 | TheMasterMind1 | ~zsi queue |
| 04:57.07 | Com[Plex] | www.killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 04:57.22 | Com[Plex] | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=488 |
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| 04:57.47 | Com[Plex] | the demo doesnt want to work. |
| 04:58.02 | Com[Plex] | im on oz, and my other java apps run okay. but this one doesnt. |
| 04:58.13 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, java. no wonder.. |
| 04:58.18 | Com[Plex] | right now I am trying to get it running in internet explorere on my pc. |
| 04:58.43 | Com[Plex] | but I cant remember how to get a .jar file running |
| 05:00.04 | topeira | oi |
| 05:00.08 | topeira | po |
| 05:00.12 | topeira | quero roms de n64 |
| 05:00.18 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 05:00.33 | Com[Plex] | bink |
| 05:00.33 | topeira | sorry, wrong channel |
| 05:00.33 | topeira | :] |
| 05:00.35 | Com[Plex] | oif |
| 05:00.37 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 05:00.42 | Com[Plex] | bonk rather.. |
| 05:00.57 | TheMasterMind1 | you quiero jugar n64 roms en mi zaurus |
| 05:01.01 | TheMasterMind1 | s/you/yo/ |
| 05:01.09 | TheMasterMind1 | heh. i'm out. later all |
| 05:01.17 | whytenoiz | Night |
| 05:02.51 | topeira | TheMasterMind1: first of all, you should port 1974 (n64 emulator) to SDL ou smth like that |
| 05:04.02 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:21.16 | whytenoiz | Anyone gotten the TkcJabber client to connect IRC while in the cradle? |
| 05:21.56 | Com[Plex] | grumble |
| 05:22.07 | Com[Plex] | figured out what was messed up with "queue" |
| 05:22.08 | Com[Plex] | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/trolltech/qtawt/Q |
| 05:22.08 | Com[Plex] | tEmbeddedFrame |
| 05:22.58 | Com[Plex] | doesnt look like that exsists in the jar file. |
| 05:27.49 | boulez | ARGH! The zaurusvip code doesn't seem to work anymore! |
| 05:28.05 | Com[Plex] | DOH! |
| 05:28.11 | Com[Plex] | waited too long :< |
| 05:28.17 | Com[Plex] | have to get a new one :> |
| 05:28.22 | Com[Plex] | try em all |
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| 05:28.55 | boulez | #*($&*# |
| 05:29.20 | Com[Plex] | were you really gonna get one? |
| 05:29.53 | boulez | I was gonna call that lulu place tomorrow and find out who the hell they are |
| 05:30.11 | boulez | make sure it's not just some dude with a credit card form in his basement |
| 05:32.53 | boulez | damn! |
| 05:32.57 | Com[Plex] | lulu ? |
| 05:33.02 | boulez | i think it's over....who thought it lasted until the 6th |
| 05:33.04 | boulez | ? |
| 05:33.06 | Com[Plex] | what are you tlkaing about? |
| 05:33.28 | boulez | their whois listing doesn't say anything about sharp. it's registered to something like "lulu incorporated" |
| 05:33.37 | boulez | I just want to make sure it's legit |
| 05:33.38 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 05:33.47 | boulez | although it doesn't seem like it matters anymore, since the price isn't working |
| 05:34.08 | Com[Plex] | well. considering its a site that was put up for people who coudlnt get them at comdex. I think its okay. |
| 05:34.37 | Com[Plex] | wow.. fractals are BORING |
| 05:34.55 | Com[Plex] | this kaos was cool. for oh.. the first two minutes. |
| 05:35.12 | DaWorm | lol yeah |
| 05:35.20 | boulez | I'm gonna cry |
| 05:35.46 | Com[Plex] | once i got it running on my home pc, so the rendering time was down to 20ms.. I suddenly realised how pointless it waqs ti just keep zooooming and zoomine.. |
| 05:35.47 | Com[Plex] | g |
| 05:37.05 | DaWorm | kaos would have been much more interesting if it did more than just mandelbrot sets |
| 05:37.05 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:37.22 | Com[Plex] | yeah, more than the mandelbrot set. singular. |
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| 05:38.02 | Com[Plex] | I need someone to port this stupid "queue" game to oz3 :< |
| 05:38.20 | Com[Plex] | if it wasnt fun. I wouldnt care. but I like puzzle games. |
| 05:38.25 | Com[Plex] | and this ones challenging |
| 05:39.06 | DaWorm | it doesnt install at all? |
| 05:39.16 | Com[Plex] | it installs. sure. but it wont run. |
| 05:39.45 | Com[Plex] | not sure if the "trial" version is busted, or if its not compatable with oz3 |
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| 05:40.50 | Com[Plex] | I get this error when trying to run it on the pc. |
| 05:40.50 | Com[Plex] | java -cp queue.jar Queue |
| 05:40.50 | Com[Plex] | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/trolltech/qtawt/QtEmbeddedFrame |
| 05:41.17 | Com[Plex] | there is a com folder in teh jar file, but no trolltech subdir. only the island labs folder. |
| 05:42.02 | Com[Plex] | wich makes me think its a broken jar. but; I dont know shit about java jars. so for all I know, its probably something that should be provided by qtopia. |
| 05:42.04 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
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| 05:46.57 | Com[Plex] | anyoen here using qtopia? - sharp rom, |
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| 05:48.42 | boolez | hmmmmm |
| 05:48.43 | DaWorm | well i'm in qtopia now unfortunately, had to retrieve some stuff i forgot to backup |
| 05:50.24 | Com[Plex] | would you do me a favor? and try out the queue demo to see if it works? |
| 05:50.32 | DaWorm | sure |
| 05:50.36 | DaWorm | its in zsi? |
| 05:50.39 | Com[Plex] | Im on oz3 and it wont work for me. yeah.. |
| 05:51.02 | Com[Plex] | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=9B3129A2F6576BDD674E2122C58899DA&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=43738§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 05:51.08 | Com[Plex] | just click trial |
| 05:51.28 | DaWorm | oh yeah, i remember that |
| 05:51.35 | DaWorm | its butt ugly..but it works on sharp |
| 05:51.38 | DaWorm | i tried it |
| 05:51.43 | Com[Plex] | rrreally... |
| 05:51.48 | Com[Plex] | damnit. |
| 05:51.51 | Com[Plex] | whats ugly about it? |
| 05:52.07 | DaWorm | i dont like the graphics thats all |
| 05:52.07 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:52.14 | DaWorm | but it works on the retail rom i assure you |
| 05:53.01 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 05:53.27 | DaWorm | now i'm gonna reflash back to oz |
| 05:53.29 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:53.41 | DaWorm | using qtopia makes me feel demoted |
| 05:53.51 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 05:54.09 | DaWorm | i'll just cross my fingers not to get the atd bug |
| 05:55.23 | tez | atd bug? |
| 05:55.36 | tez | Oh, at, like cron. |
| 05:55.42 | tez | What's the bug? |
| 05:56.16 | DaWorm | some users get their dates reset back to jan. everytime they reboot or wake up from a suspend |
| 05:56.46 | DaWorm | its so random the oz people had to ditch atd and replace with another one, but its still under test |
| 05:56.53 | DaWorm | some users get it, some dont |
| 05:56.55 | Com[Plex] | DaWorm |
| 05:56.59 | Com[Plex] | its easy to avoid |
| 05:57.12 | Com[Plex] | jsut set your clock the first time you boot |
| 05:57.15 | DaWorm | how? teach me the way master |
| 05:57.44 | Com[Plex] | if you dont do it the first time,. it wont store its state when you suspend. |
| 05:58.02 | Com[Plex] | so when you DO set the clock, every time you suspend it get forgotten |
| 05:58.36 | Com[Plex] | anyway, thats what I heard. but that was a long time ago. I have never ahd that problem |
| 05:58.54 | DaWorm | i did, like 2 out of 5 attempts anyway |
| 05:59.33 | Com[Plex] | in fact, i dont think ive set my clock more than once. 0 Im not positive, but I cant remember the time getting erased the last few times Ive reflashed.. |
| 05:59.55 | Com[Plex] | but then, my memory isnt to be trusted. |
| 06:00.00 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 06:00.25 | DaWorm | oh well |
| 06:00.26 | DaWorm | here goes |
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| 06:24.29 | Com[Plex] | hey DaWorm |
| 06:24.31 | Com[Plex] | any luck? |
| 06:24.34 | sig | guys, read the first story here ---> http://sig.ath.cx |
| 06:25.41 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 06:25.44 | Com[Plex] | neat |
| 06:27.06 | boulez | he's totally right |
| 06:27.14 | boulez | Starbucks should give that service away free |
| 06:28.01 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 06:28.21 | Com[Plex] | they should charge a dollar an hour, up to 48 dollars a month |
| 06:28.29 | Com[Plex] | anyone agree? |
| 06:28.40 | Com[Plex] | it would be like buying a newspaper. |
| 06:29.04 | Com[Plex] | you sit, drink your coffee. cruise the net, check the news, stocks, etc |
| 06:29.10 | boulez | well, that's better than the plans they offer. But I'd still vote for free. Why the hell not? If you're sitting in a Starbucks for hours on the net, you're going to buy coffee. End of story. |
| 06:29.26 | boulez | Starbucks should pay T mobile and everyone would be happy |
| 06:29.48 | boulez | It would hugely spike the amount of time people spend in the store. |
| 06:29.58 | Com[Plex] | true. but thats bad |
| 06:30.07 | boulez | for who? |
| 06:30.07 | Com[Plex] | they want people to walk in, get coffee, walk out |
| 06:30.17 | boulez | no, they want people to SPEND |
| 06:30.30 | Com[Plex] | trust me, coffee houses Hate to have people stick around. because people Dont spend when they loft |
| 06:30.32 | boulez | If they're in there, they're going to buy coffee. If they're in there longer, they're going to buy more coffee. |
| 06:30.42 | Com[Plex] | they buy One coffee, sit there for hours and hours |
| 06:30.46 | boulez | maybe |
| 06:30.52 | boulez | I know I don't. |
| 06:30.56 | boulez | I just drink and drink |
| 06:30.57 | Com[Plex] | trust me, my ex gf ran a coffee shop |
| 06:31.13 | Com[Plex] | I drink and drink. You drink and drink. but we are different. |
| 06:31.17 | boulez | hehehe |
| 06:31.28 | Com[Plex] | 75% of the other peple come in and dont buy anything, or they buy something and SHARE it, hahaha |
| 06:31.29 | boulez | geeky caffeine dorks |
| 06:31.46 | Com[Plex] | anwyay, I gotta go to bed. |
| 06:31.50 | boulez | k, later |
| 06:31.51 | Com[Plex] | cya tomorrow. |
| 06:32.04 | treke|home | 50 bucks a month? |
| 06:32.06 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 06:32.09 | boulez | hehehe |
| 06:32.10 | treke|home | good god that is over priced |
| 06:32.24 | boulez | absurd |
| 06:32.30 | boulez | it's WAY over priced |
| 06:32.49 | treke|home | I could possibly see 10 bucks a month, but 50 no chance |
| 06:33.05 | oGMo | yeah, there goes my crack habit |
| 06:33.07 | oGMo | er |
| 06:33.08 | oGMo | ;) |
| 06:33.11 | boulez | yeah, 10 would be reasonable |
| 06:33.13 | sig | is there a free liquid theme for the sharp rom? |
| 06:33.23 | boulez | damn I'm so bitter about this sale being over.... |
| 06:33.33 | treke|home | sig: nope |
| 06:33.49 | sig | I see one for 10 dollars and 5 dollars |
| 06:33.50 | sig | bah |
| 06:34.10 | treke|home | sig: You could try compiling it your self. :) |
| 06:34.40 | sig | hm |
| 06:34.49 | sig | I think I'll search it on pda warez |
| 06:34.50 | sig | hehe |
| 06:36.09 | treke|home | doing everything by hand gets tedious fast |
| 06:39.14 | DaWorm | it worked |
| 06:39.15 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:40.20 | sig | this really pisses me off |
| 06:40.37 | sig | zstyle = 10 bucks, zstyle-liquid = 5 bucks |
| 06:40.42 | sig | you have to have both |
| 06:40.47 | sig | what a friggin rip off |
| 06:40.53 | DaWorm | heh |
| 06:40.54 | treke|home | hehe |
| 06:40.56 | sig | they split them on purpose |
| 06:41.00 | sig | to make more money |
| 06:41.02 | sig | bastards |
| 06:41.06 | DaWorm | doh... |
| 06:41.13 | treke|home | no |
| 06:41.20 | treke|home | you can rather easily compile liquid |
| 06:41.30 | sig | for sharp rom? |
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| 06:42.32 | treke|home | shouldnt be all that difficult to do |
| 06:43.00 | DaWorm | besides handango rips developers too |
| 06:43.22 | sig | where can i get the liquid theme at? |
| 06:43.27 | sig | for free to compile |
| 06:43.30 | treke|home | opie.handhelds.org |
| 06:43.35 | DaWorm | opie.handhelds.org |
| 06:43.53 | sig | treke|home: and your sure this will compile for the sharp ROM?? |
| 06:44.08 | DaWorm | opie is forked from qtopia |
| 06:44.17 | treke|home | yes. The magic is in zstyle |
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| 06:44.33 | sig | treke|home: so i don't need zstyle or anything? |
| 06:44.38 | treke|home | yes you do |
| 06:44.44 | sig | it costs money though |
| 06:44.54 | treke|home | 10 bucks |
| 06:45.15 | sig | I bought this thing cause it was "opensource" |
| 06:45.15 | sig | hehe |
| 06:45.26 | sig | and look how much I've spent on shiznits |
| 06:45.28 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:45.28 | NeoTron | hrm |
| 06:45.38 | DaWorm | well not everything in open source is free though |
| 06:45.45 | sig | DaWorm: just about |
| 06:45.49 | DaWorm | sort of |
| 06:45.50 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:45.53 | sig | everything you need is |
| 06:45.54 | NeoTron | is there no way of drawing lines and such which are say translucent and/or depend on the color already there (say inverted / xor)? |
| 06:46.09 | treke|home | sig: then use openzaurus |
| 06:46.19 | sig | treke|home: is there an app out there yet that lets users change there background in the sharp ROM?? |
| 06:46.31 | treke|home | no |
| 06:46.34 | DaWorm | none |
| 06:46.40 | sig | will there be? |
| 06:46.46 | treke|home | probably not |
| 06:46.54 | sig | hmm, I've heard a diff |
| 06:46.56 | sig | oh well |
| 06:47.05 | DaWorm | unless qtopia does that |
| 06:47.09 | treke|home | The background image is compiled into the launcher |
| 06:48.17 | NeoTron | ah, never mind , found all the good stuff |
| 06:49.15 | DaWorm | oh well..tkc apps are still borked at oz |
| 06:49.50 | treke|home | DaWorm: upgrade your opie, should have been fixed sometime last week |
| 06:50.24 | DaWorm | what package? |
| 06:50.47 | treke|home | probably need to upgrade everything |
| 06:50.55 | DaWorm | doh... |
| 06:52.53 | treke|home | fix in opie-base, which at a minimum needs upgrading |
| 06:53.05 | treke|home | nov. 23 and later should work |
| 06:53.16 | DaWorm | hmm..i believe i've seen that post..but never read much |
| 06:53.38 | DaWorm | unfortunately, i have to upgrade manually (no wireless card) |
| 06:53.49 | treke|home | dunno bout a post, just looking through the cvs commits mailing list :) |
| 06:54.17 | DaWorm | i'll check :) |
| 06:55.16 | treke|home | hmm. this "fresh" style is "ugly" |
| 06:55.31 | DaWorm | [ ] opie-base_0.9.1-2002..> 01-Dec-2002 16:08 505k |
| 06:55.35 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 06:56.47 | treke|home | possible that it broke when he made further changes on the 25 |
| 06:57.54 | DaWorm | ewww..someone here at the office sprayed some cheap perfume |
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| 07:12.59 | treke|home | sig: Theres actually a second reason why zstyle and zstyle-liquid are seperate |
| 07:13.09 | treke|home | they couldnt legally be bundled together |
| 07:13.53 | DaWorm | because liquid is gpl and zstyle itself isnt? |
| 07:13.59 | treke|home | yui |
| 07:13.59 | treke|home | yup |
| 07:14.48 | DaWorm | yeah, i remember a thread at zauruszone explaining that...the app itself wasnt gpl |
| 07:15.29 | treke|home | I'd have to look up the exact section of the GPL, but you can use a GPL plugin in a non gpl app as long as you the app can function properly without the GPL component, and they arent distributed together |
| 07:15.42 | omoore | anyone know what file stores keystroke deffinitionst? |
| 07:16.01 | treke|home | ~/Applications/qimpen/* |
| 07:16.01 | | i don't know, treke|home |
| 07:16.23 | omoore | i hv dfnd mine th wy i lke :) |
| 07:16.37 | treke|home | I hope you arent using it now |
| 07:16.58 | treke|home | it appears you havent defined many vowells |
| 07:17.13 | DaWorm | The settings application is GPL'ed. The Sharp ROM style/font loader is (c) 2002 Robert Griebl. |
| 07:17.26 | omoore | heh..lvng vwls out 4 spd |
| 07:17.41 | omoore | mks wrtng fst |
| 07:17.49 | treke|home | and reading a pain in the ass |
| 07:18.02 | omoore | er faster.... |
| 07:18.27 | omoore | there...better? .:) |
| 07:18.34 | treke|home | much :) |
| 07:18.51 | treke|home | DaWorm: part of section 2 |
| 07:19.00 | DaWorm | s thts th thng |
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| 07:19.10 | DaWorm | *grn* |
| 07:19.18 | treke|home | These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If |
| 07:19.18 | treke|home | identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, |
| 07:19.18 | treke|home | and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in |
| 07:19.18 | treke|home | themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those |
| 07:19.19 | treke|home | sections when you distribute them as separate works. |
| 07:19.27 | omoore | palm keystrokes r much better thn default |
| 07:19.51 | omoore | love abillity 2 custom |
| 07:20.40 | DaWorm | treke: reading the license makes sense, but unfortunately, a lot of people dont read it and associate open source as free most of the time |
| 07:21.04 | treke|home | yup |
| 07:21.31 | treke|home | DaWorm: thing is, the open source parts _are_ free |
| 07:21.40 | treke|home | you just have to compile them yourself |
| 07:22.18 | treke|home | the style app, and the style all have their source available under the GPL. it's just the hack of a loader that is closed |
| 07:22.48 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 07:22.59 | DaWorm | i guess the loader is way different from that in opie |
| 07:23.13 | NeoTron | I managed to get Dragon Bane 2 to use about 80% CPU on the A300 by tapping furiously on the screen |
| 07:23.23 | treke|home | NeoTron: hehehe |
| 07:24.47 | treke|home | DaWorm: I think styles are still a compile time option in opie, it's just that you have source to compile |
| 07:27.00 | DaWorm | night |
| 07:29.55 | sig | ok I get a 550 error when i try to download something to /mnt/card/Documents/applications |
| 07:29.59 | sig | hwo can i fix this error? |
| 07:30.19 | sig | I"m ftp'd into a server and want to put the dl's to that directory |
| 07:36.39 | sig | can someone help me with a problem |
| 07:36.59 | sig | I just dl'd two apps, they show in Documents, but when i click them, the install part is shaded |
| 07:37.10 | sig | any ideas |
| 07:44.54 | sig | so the documents that show are: /home/root/Documents ?? |
| 07:45.04 | sig | thats where i should mv the ipkg's ? |
| 07:45.08 | sig | to install them? |
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| 07:49.12 | sig | treke|home: you there! |
| 07:52.35 | sig | so what exactly does zstyle do? |
| 07:52.53 | sig | cause i just bought zstyle and liquid and it sure doesn't look like the fackin screenshot! |
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| 07:55.55 | NeoTron | DB2 is definitely improving! :) |
| 07:58.44 | DaWorm | DB2? |
| 07:59.08 | sig | I have been ripped off! |
| 07:59.28 | DaWorm | ? |
| 07:59.32 | NeoTron | ibot: DB2 is Dragon Bane 2, a role playing game in the same genre as Bard's Tale |
| 07:59.32 | | ...but db2 is already something else... |
| 07:59.39 | sig | I bought zstyle and zstyle-liquid |
| 07:59.40 | NeoTron | ibot db2 |
| 07:59.41 | | Universal Database for Linux. URL: http://www.software.ibm.com/data/db2/linux/ |
| 07:59.47 | NeoTron | ibot: DB2 is also Dragon Bane 2, a role playing game in the same genre as Bard's Tale |
| 07:59.48 | | NeoTron: okay |
| 07:59.51 | NeoTron | ibot db2 |
| 07:59.51 | | Universal Database for Linux. URL: http://www.software.ibm.com/data/db2/linux/. Dragon Bane 2, a role playing game in the same genre as Bard's Tale |
| 07:59.52 | sig | it looks nothing like the screenshot on myzaurus.com |
| 08:00.04 | DaWorm | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 08:00.24 | DaWorm | an rpg for the zaurus |
| 08:00.25 | DaWorm | wow |
| 08:00.46 | KhensU | sig: what colors are yuo using? |
| 08:00.56 | sig | liquid |
| 08:01.33 | sig | liquid theme |
| 08:02.20 | sig | i click zstyle the app hour glass comes on and disapears |
| 08:02.37 | NeoTron | sounds to me like it's simply isn't installed right |
| 08:02.47 | sig | I go to appearance and choose liquid and if frickin doesn't look like the sshot |
| 08:02.55 | sig | NeoTron: its installed right dude |
| 08:02.58 | sig | simply |
| 08:03.46 | KhensU | disappears? an app is supposed to come up |
| 08:03.48 | NeoTron | if the app doesn't start it sounds like it's not |
| 08:04.01 | NeoTron | run it from the console |
| 08:04.10 | NeoTron | if you get a 'bus error' I will not be surprised |
| 08:04.11 | sig | hrmmm |
| 08:04.17 | sig | one sec |
| 08:04.23 | KhensU | did you reboot after installing? |
| 08:04.24 | NeoTron | but then again, the sizes are tiny so that'd be odd |
| 08:04.51 | NeoTron | what KhensU said is quite possibly better advice |
| 08:04.51 | sig | bash-2.05# zstyle |
| 08:05.19 | sig | zstyle: error while loading shared libraries: libopie.so.1: cannot load shared object file: no such file or directory |
| 08:05.26 | KhensU | heh |
| 08:05.45 | sig | but it said it was supposed to run only on the Sharp ROM |
| 08:05.52 | sig | why is it wanting an Opie package? |
| 08:06.06 | KhensU | sig: http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/retail/ |
| 08:06.25 | NeoTron | well, you can still install the libopie package.. |
| 08:06.49 | sig | I'll try |
| 08:06.52 | sig | one sec, brb |
| 08:07.09 | DaWorm | NeoTron: DB2 will work with oz? |
| 08:07.39 | sig | KhensU: I added that url to my package manager and it says: ipkg says something went wrong. sorry |
| 08:07.41 | sig | ? |
| 08:08.29 | NeoTron | DaWorm: of course. does any of my things NOT work with OZ? |
| 08:09.00 | KhensU | i downloaded it myself |
| 08:09.15 | DaWorm | NeoTron: hehehe...sorry my bad...its been a while since i played with the games |
| 08:09.34 | KhensU | the url isn't a real feed |
| 08:09.36 | kendrick2 | <Aadaam> ..and I'd like to see that strategic assault thing on my Vr3!:) |
| 08:09.41 | kendrick2 | (from #agenda channel ;) ) |
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| 08:09.48 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:10.20 | NeoTron | hah. yeah. sure. :P |
| 08:10.39 | NeoTron | the vr3 has like no colors and all that |
| 08:10.52 | kendrick2 | 4 shades of grey! :) |
| 08:11.20 | DaWorm | whoa, that would be ground breaking |
| 08:11.34 | NeoTron | and 160x240 resolution |
| 08:12.06 | DaWorm | but if kendrick can do it |
| 08:12.08 | DaWorm | .... |
| 08:12.38 | kendrick2 | heheh |
| 08:12.40 | sig | I'm out |
| 08:12.40 | NeoTron | it's not like I _couldn't_ do it (most likely) just isn't any point to and it'd be a heck whole lot of work for no or little gain |
| 08:12.45 | kendrick2 | too slow i think |
| 08:13.44 | DaWorm | plus the very small market... |
| 08:18.59 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o NeoTron] by ChanServ |
| 08:19.09 | *** topic/#zaurus by NeoTron -> Sharp 5000d/5500/5600/A300/C700/etc Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || OpenZaurus 3.0 is released! #OpenZaurus || SL-5600 announced || NEW: screenshots section on openzaurus.org || WWW.ZAURUSVIP.COM : code VS0002 for a $249 5500 Ends Dec 6th (uh - looks more like $399 -- neo) || The Zaurus ROM poll: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?s=701e272b537a4954fa951ac6f633b685&act=ST&f=11&t=4821 |
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| 09:11.13 | kendrick2 | nite! |
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| 10:42.25 | SillyZ | mornin |
| 10:45.07 | Twiun | yo |
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| 11:01.10 | SillyZ | how goes Twiun? |
| 11:19.56 | Twiun | not bad at all, got my first Qt window from java yesterday ;-) |
| 11:20.21 | kybu | hi |
| 11:26.42 | SillyZ | schweet |
| 11:27.00 | SillyZ | Im workin up my first "Hello World" app for the Z |
| 11:27.01 | SillyZ | :) |
| 11:29.15 | Twiun | I'm trying to get qtopia integration working - so far it's segfaulting |
| 11:31.57 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 11:31.59 | DaWorm | speaking of java |
| 11:32.26 | DaWorm | i downloaded this ipk |
| 11:32.35 | DaWorm | it didnt run well.. |
| 11:32.47 | DaWorm | i tried invoking it on konsole |
| 11:33.06 | DaWorm | it said java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Jabp/Jabp |
| 11:33.17 | DaWorm | what does that mean? |
| 11:33.30 | SillyZ | ah just another banking program |
| 11:33.38 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 11:33.47 | SillyZ | havent been able to get it to run here either |
| 11:33.56 | Twiun | means it can't find Jabp.class in a subdir Jabp: |
| 11:33.58 | SillyZ | since I went to sharps rom of 2.38 my java console isnt working |
| 11:34.03 | Twiun | either on the classpath or the current run dir |
| 11:34.15 | DaWorm | so the app is borked? |
| 11:34.25 | Twiun | or at least the installation... |
| 11:34.29 | Twiun | it should be fixable |
| 11:34.58 | DaWorm | it doesnt even uninstall cleanly |
| 11:35.00 | DaWorm | :( |
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| 13:30.45 | johaBBa | anyone have success syncing with a standard 2.4.18 kernel without recompiling? |
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| 13:35.18 | sebd | hello |
| 13:35.34 | johaBBa | hello |
| 13:45.30 | sebd | Is it true that I need an extra CF-Card 128MB in order to upgrade my (future) zaurus 5500 ? |
| 13:45.33 | sebd | (I am currently ordering it) |
| 13:46.05 | johaBBa | what do you mean by upgrade? |
| 13:46.07 | johaBBa | the rom? |
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| 13:47.01 | sebd | "This card is neccessary for updates", says http://xtops.de/xtops_acc_pda.html |
| 13:47.47 | sebd | s/update/upgrade/ |
| 13:48.03 | sebd | s/upgrade/update/ |
| 13:48.06 | sebd | rather |
| 13:50.17 | johaBBa | not really. |
| 13:50.34 | sebd | thanks |
| 13:50.52 | johaBBa | if you use the default rom and the util from the web site you can upgrade |
| 13:51.05 | johaBBa | with no card. |
| 13:51.07 | sebd | ok |
| 13:51.57 | sebd | btw, can I run apache & php on a zaurus ? I heard about mysql it is possible |
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| 13:55.28 | sebd | well, I guess it is a question of memory after all |
| 13:56.01 | johaBBa | i plan to try. |
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| 13:56.10 | johaBBa | i've seen apache...and mysql. |
| 13:57.37 | sebd | cool |
| 13:59.18 | johaBBa | are you syncing w/ linux? |
| 13:59.36 | sebd | yes |
| 13:59.47 | sebd | no win at all |
| 13:59.52 | johaBBa | dear God, how?! |
| 13:59.55 | johaBBa | what distro? |
| 14:00.06 | sebd | mandrake |
| 14:00.11 | johaBBa | eww... |
| 14:00.14 | johaBBa | hrm. |
| 14:00.27 | johaBBa | did you have to patch the kernel? |
| 14:00.34 | sebd | johaBBa: but it sould not depend on your distro |
| 14:00.56 | sebd | as long as you have usb connectivity, everything's should be fine |
| 14:01.07 | johaBBa | sebd: well, it aint'. |
| 14:01.07 | sebd | I mean, USB support in the kernel |
| 14:01.14 | sebd | what distro ? |
| 14:01.14 | johaBBa | yeah, i'm using Rh8 |
| 14:01.19 | johaBBa | it's in there. |
| 14:01.37 | johaBBa | i can get it to connect...and i can get the CDCEther to show up in lsmod |
| 14:01.56 | sebd | ok |
| 14:01.56 | johaBBa | but i can't get it to alias usb0 to it |
| 14:02.15 | sebd | mmmm |
| 14:02.25 | johaBBa | and i read that i should remove CDCEther and use usbdnet kernel module. |
| 14:02.39 | sebd | i may come back when I actually have a zaurus in here |
| 14:02.45 | johaBBa | or rebuild the kernel....so i tried the mod...got it to load...but it still would not create a device. |
| 14:02.57 | johaBBa | how did you sync the Z with out a Z, man? |
| 14:03.24 | sebd | well, I intend to - i still haven't bought my zaurus so far |
| 14:03.35 | johaBBa | ah...i knew it was too good to be true. |
| 14:03.50 | sebd | hang on |
| 14:03.59 | johaBBa | hrm...well, i'm a bit of a linux n00b...do you know how to create a device from scratch? |
| 14:04.06 | sebd | you said "it still would not create a device." |
| 14:04.19 | sebd | you can create the device under /dev |
| 14:04.38 | johaBBa | yeah, it would not show me usb0 when i did a ifconfig -a |
| 14:04.39 | sebd | do you know the major adn minor numbers of the device ? |
| 14:04.47 | johaBBa | huh? |
| 14:05.02 | sebd | that should be in the module's doc |
| 14:05.06 | johaBBa | oh, wait... |
| 14:05.26 | johaBBa | yeah, i think i remember os 0x007 nubmer? or was it just a 4 digit number? |
| 14:06.11 | sebd | man mknod |
| 14:06.37 | johaBBa | loading the module seemed to work and everything else...if i can get it to show up in ifconfig then i can give it an IP addy and i'm golden.... |
| 14:07.33 | johaBBa | ok......? |
| 14:07.43 | sebd | I guess so |
| 14:07.53 | sebd | sorry I can't help you more |
| 14:08.01 | sebd | next week I'll be back |
| 14:08.05 | johaBBa | hrm....thanks. |
| 14:08.48 | sebd | sorry, you'll find me on opn anyway |
| 14:08.53 | sebd | my nick is protected |
| 14:09.02 | johaBBa | opn? |
| 14:09.07 | sebd | and I am online most of european week days |
| 14:09.17 | sebd | johaBBa: I mean freenode |
| 14:09.31 | sebd | I spend time on #mandrakefr |
| 14:09.42 | johaBBa | oh...ok. |
| 14:10.13 | johaBBa | too bad i don't remember my french...... |
| 14:10.27 | johaBBa | ;] |
| 14:11.47 | sebd | never mind, you can /msg sebd anytime |
| 14:12.23 | johaBBa | ok...thanks. |
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| 14:16.16 | benmeyer | irc.openprojects.net |
| 14:16.20 | benmeyer | http://www.mazingo.net/mobile/ |
| 14:16.21 | benmeyer | morning |
| 14:18.24 | Wintre | Hey Ben |
| 14:19.25 | prpplague | benmeyer: morning |
| 14:26.23 | kolla | ben: http://www.plinkit.com/ :) |
| 14:27.40 | benmeyer | cool |
| 14:28.33 | kolla | been using plinkit since..3 years I think :) |
| 14:28.40 | numatrix | kolla: sweet; gonna use that with my cellphone... |
| 14:28.51 | kolla | :) |
| 14:29.20 | kolla | found it when I was webbing from newton |
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| 14:35.44 | numatrix | kolla: hmm, lots of links are broken on plinkit though. |
| 14:35.57 | numatrix | In fact; the last three I tried were no longer advantgo feeds. :-) |
| 14:38.06 | kolla | heh, well, it's old :) |
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| 14:40.31 | johaBBa | any of you guys syncing with linux? |
| 14:40.49 | benmeyer | y |
| 14:41.01 | johaBBa | because i can't. |
| 14:41.19 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:44.11 | benmeyer | johaBBa: what howto did you follow to get your connection up and running? |
| 14:46.51 | johaBBa | i used info on how to setup usbdnet on rh8 |
| 14:47.05 | johaBBa | i got it the mod to showup in ifconfig -a |
| 14:47.19 | johaBBa | er....lsmod |
| 14:47.35 | johaBBa | i could Not get usb0 to show up when i did a ifconfig -a |
| 14:48.59 | chouimat | johaBBa: unplug and replug the cradle and open the z |
| 14:49.15 | johaBBa | i did that a million times. |
| 14:49.40 | johaBBa | one sec.... |
| 14:51.26 | johaBBa | now usbdnet And CDCEther are gone from lsmod..... |
| 14:51.27 | johaBBa | ? |
| 14:51.27 | benmeyer | what command did you use to rebuild the src rpm? |
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| 14:51.54 | benmeyer | Someone here at the office got redhat 8 loaded over the weekend |
| 14:51.57 | benmeyer | and I need to make some rpm's |
| 14:52.07 | johaBBa | rpmbuild --rebuild |
| 14:52.17 | johaBBa | swEEt...i'll be your test dummy! |
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| 14:52.42 | chouimat | benmeyer: poor them |
| 14:52.48 | johaBBa | heh. |
| 14:53.26 | johaBBa | ok...i have kernel-zaurus-RH7.3-5.src.rpm |
| 14:53.34 | johaBBa | i couldn't find one for 8 |
| 14:54.02 | johaBBa | i have the qtopia desktop from trolltech...the beta2 |
| 14:55.00 | edgar | i just installed oz3, my Z is freezing when i put it on the cradle |
| 14:55.21 | johaBBa | are you turning it on Before you put it in? |
| 14:55.30 | johaBBa | or while in the cradle? |
| 14:56.22 | edgar | before |
| 14:57.15 | johaBBa | hrm....i dunno...mine doesn't like it when i turn it on in the cradle. |
| 14:58.14 | edgar | does it consistently freeze it if you turn it on in the cradle |
| 14:58.25 | johaBBa | pretty much. |
| 15:02.56 | SillyZ | ls |
| 15:02.59 | SillyZ | doh |
| 15:03.47 | SillyZ | Q: Im trying to compile the example application in Qtopia, Ive set my dev-arm-qpe.sh envrionment, and Im getting this..... |
| 15:03.49 | SillyZ | arm-linux-gcc -o example -L/opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib -lqte |
| 15:03.49 | SillyZ | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 15:03.49 | SillyZ | make: *** [example] Error 1 |
| 15:04.01 | SillyZ | any ideas ?? |
| 15:04.47 | SillyZ | and when i go into /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib and try to do a ls I get...... |
| 15:04.54 | SillyZ | lsmith: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: ELF file OS ABI invalid |
| 15:05.43 | Twiun | hmmm... sounds like a gcc version incompatibility |
| 15:05.52 | Twiun | what versions are you using? |
| 15:06.08 | SillyZ | gcc (GCC) 3.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.0 3.2-1mdk) |
| 15:06.19 | Twiun | that's the problem |
| 15:06.23 | Twiun | use 2.95.3 |
| 15:06.36 | SillyZ | 2.95.3 !? on MDK9 ? |
| 15:06.36 | Twiun | I'm on mdk9 as well |
| 15:06.48 | SillyZ | howd ya get 2 different versions of gcc installed ?? |
| 15:07.04 | Twiun | using a different prefix in the make script |
| 15:07.11 | chouimat | SillyZ: instal it to /usr/local/x86/2.95.3 |
| 15:07.14 | Twiun | and prepending it to the path when I need to use it |
| 15:07.34 | Twiun | like chouimat says ;-) |
| 15:08.22 | Twiun | Argh! I can't believe latest offtopic posting on the tkc mailing list... |
| 15:08.28 | Twiun | yet one more mailing list |
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| 15:08.35 | Twiun | and on yahoo of all places |
| 15:08.49 | chouimat | Twiun: add 8 inches to your wang? |
| 15:09.20 | SillyZ | either of ya got the 2.95.3 rpm ? |
| 15:09.29 | Twiun | I built it from source |
| 15:10.04 | Twiun | SillyZ: use rpmfind.net to look up rpms |
| 15:10.55 | SillyZ | rpmfind.net dont have it |
| 15:11.01 | SillyZ | at least not for mandrake anyway |
| 15:11.17 | Twiun | then use the source... it's not painful ;-) |
| 15:13.00 | SillyZ | hmmmm building gcc is gonna be fun |
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| 15:13.37 | Twiun | why? gcc bootstraps itself... granted, with the older versions you don't want to do make install ;-) |
| 15:13.40 | prpplague | SillyZ: building gcc is more fun than hanging body parts in a barrel full of pirana |
| 15:13.49 | SillyZ | Twiun howd ya build it for /usr/local/x86/2.95.3 |
| 15:14.08 | benmeyer | johnaBB: you still around? |
| 15:14.11 | SillyZ | prpplague : will be more fun than Michael Jackson hanging children over a 5th story rail |
| 15:14.13 | SillyZ | :) |
| 15:14.20 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:14.28 | Twiun | last I remember it was the usual configure job... I could always tarball mine up if you prefer? |
| 15:14.58 | johaBBa | ben:ja |
| 15:15.01 | SillyZ | if ya could please ? |
| 15:15.04 | johaBBa | benmeyer: yea |
| 15:16.08 | Twiun | on its way |
| 15:16.47 | Twiun | SillyZ: http://adorphuye.com/files/gcc-2.95.3-x86.tar.gz |
| 15:17.00 | Twiun | extract that in /usr/local/x86 |
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| 15:18.34 | benmeyer | johaBBa: ok build a kernal, installed and rebooted |
| 15:18.36 | benmeyer | worked |
| 15:18.55 | johaBBa | benmeyer: you using rh8? |
| 15:19.15 | Com[Plex] | ibot openzaurus |
| 15:19.15 | | extra, extra, read all about it, openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5[50]00[dg]{0,1} PDA. See http://www.openzaurus.org/. Also ask me about oz faq, oz feed, oz bk, oz release, or oz prerelease. And dont forget to /join #openzaurus. |
| 15:19.30 | benmeyer | yah using rh8 |
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| 15:19.32 | benmeyer | stock |
| 15:19.35 | benmeyer | havn't upgraded |
| 15:19.36 | benmeyer | did you? |
| 15:19.39 | noidd | VS0002 finished? |
| 15:19.42 | johaBBa | benmeyer: yeah |
| 15:19.43 | benmeyer | kernel-zaurus-2.4.18.14-5.i386.rpm |
| 15:19.46 | benmeyer | uname -r |
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| 15:19.56 | johaBBa | where did you get that rpm? |
| 15:19.58 | SillyZ | thanks twiun |
| 15:20.04 | parsley_ | noidd: I just saw that, too :-( |
| 15:20.17 | noidd | just talked 3 ppl into it |
| 15:20.19 | noidd | :-P |
| 15:20.24 | SillyZ | and just extract this to /usr/local ? |
| 15:20.31 | benmeyer | johaBBa: I can e-mail it to you |
| 15:20.35 | SillyZ | ./x86 |
| 15:20.42 | benmeyer | what is your e-mail |
| 15:20.46 | johaBBa | benmy: and i was trying to avoid building a kernel..can get help me step by step |
| 15:21.16 | Twiun | SillyZ: yup, then prepend /usr/local/x86/2.95.3/bin to your path |
| 15:21.58 | Twiun | you'll have to make clean beforehand... 3.2 .o files don't mix well with 2.95.3 ones |
| 15:22.10 | Twiun | before you com |
| 15:22.13 | Twiun | erm... |
| 15:22.16 | Twiun | that didn't make sense... |
| 15:22.17 | Com[Plex] | hey guys., my stupid aqpkg is not showing me my intalled apps and local ipkgs. only showintg the oz3 feed in the menu. <if you know what I mean>? |
| 15:22.28 | Com[Plex] | how can I get these back? |
| 15:23.02 | johaBBa | benmeyer: did you get the email? |
| 15:23.07 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:23.11 | benmeyer | sent |
| 15:23.14 | benmeyer | you should get it shortly |
| 15:23.20 | johaBBa | benmeyer: and you said you build the kernel? |
| 15:23.32 | johaBBa | benmeyer: so you just rpm-ed this and rebooted or what? |
| 15:24.05 | benmeyer | built the kernel modules |
| 15:24.16 | benmeyer | installed and rebooted (so the kernel would find the modules) |
| 15:24.20 | benmeyer | rpm -i |
| 15:25.53 | edgar | does qtopiadesktop work with oz3? |
| 15:25.54 | johaBBa | ok....did you do any make depmod && bzImage etc......? |
| 15:26.05 | johaBBa | edgar: yes, the beta from trolltech.com |
| 15:26.19 | johaBBa | benmeyer: or did you just install the RPM? |
| 15:26.23 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:26.26 | benmeyer | just installed |
| 15:26.27 | benmeyer | nothing else |
| 15:26.30 | johaBBa | phew. |
| 15:26.35 | johaBBa | then rebooted..ok. |
| 15:26.55 | SillyZ | Twiun : where should I extract the tarball ? |
| 15:26.55 | edgar | johaBBa: the beta.. ok i have 1.6.0 |
| 15:28.00 | Twiun | SillyZ: in /usr/local/x86 preferrably, but that's just convention |
| 15:28.09 | Twiun | SillyZ: anywhere you'll remember where it is |
| 15:28.21 | johaBBa | benmeyer: ok kernel installed...rebooting.... |
| 15:28.22 | Twiun | SillyZ: and it won't damage your current 3.2 install |
| 15:28.42 | johaBBa | brb |
| 15:29.06 | Com[Plex] | hey guys. I have a problem with akpg, it no longer hows me my installed ipkjs, or my local ipks that I have stored on my cf card. - how can I get these back? |
| 15:29.10 | SillyZ | k |
| 15:29.44 | SillyZ | is there any specific settings I need to change in the dev-arm-qpe.sh and dev-x86-qpe.sh varibles ?? |
| 15:29.50 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: TheMasterMind or AndyQ should be able to help they're the ipkg/aqpkg experts respectively |
| 15:30.20 | Twiun | SillyZ: not sure... I don't use those scripts (as they're not needed with the OZ3 buildroot system) |
| 15:30.32 | Com[Plex] | are they around? |
| 15:31.16 | Twiun | TMM should be... andy's connection is unreliable... looks like he's not online atm |
| 15:33.12 | SillyZ | ah |
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| 15:33.24 | johaBBa | benmeyer: still there? |
| 15:33.37 | SillyZ | im gonna have to figure out how to taqke gcc3.2 out of the path and call gcc2.95.3 instead |
| 15:33.52 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:34.43 | Twiun | SillyZ: just prepend the 2.95.3 bin directory to your path |
| 15:36.45 | ljp_work | cc=gcc2.95.3 |
| 15:37.09 | ljp_work | assuming your gcc 2.95 is named that |
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| 15:37.20 | johaBBa | ok...rpm -ivh the kernal-zaurus...rebooted...plugged the cradle in...turned on Z....put Z in the cradle... |
| 15:38.11 | johaBBa | benmeyer: but no added modules in lsmod |
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| 15:42.02 | benmeyer | hmm |
| 15:42.05 | benmeyer | reboot the z? |
| 15:42.14 | benmeyer | you are using sharps rom yes? |
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| 15:48.26 | treke|home | hmm. the zaurus vip site raised the price? interesting |
| 15:50.41 | Twiun | has it? |
| 15:50.53 | johaBBa | benmeyer: sry...using OZ3 |
| 15:51.24 | treke|home | Twiun: yup. comes up as 389.99 now |
| 15:51.54 | prpplague | argh |
| 15:52.01 | prpplague | i knew i should have ordered yesterday |
| 15:52.05 | Twiun | weird... promotion over already? |
| 15:52.18 | prpplague | i thought it was suppose to be till the 6th |
| 15:53.50 | benmeyer | johaBBa: ah |
| 15:53.58 | benmeyer | hmmm OZ should still work |
| 15:54.03 | benmeyer | ibot seen kergoth |
| 15:54.05 | | kergoth is currently on #opie #picogui #tuxscreen #zaurus #elinux #openzaurus. Has said a total of 234 messages. Is idling for 12h 23m 9s |
| 15:54.34 | prpplague | benmeyer: so whats the deal? |
| 15:54.47 | prpplague | benmeyer: i thought it was suppose to be till the 6th? |
| 15:55.28 | benmeyer | no clue |
| 15:55.32 | benmeyer | sorry |
| 15:56.17 | benmeyer | weeee |
| 15:56.36 | SillyZ | Twiun this is with 2.95.3.... |
| 15:56.51 | SillyZ | arm-linux-gcc -o example -L/opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib -lqte |
| 15:57.11 | SillyZ | error on crt1.o |
| 15:57.42 | Twiun | SillyZ: add -v to find out where gcc is getting its files |
| 15:59.57 | SillyZ | its getting 2.95.3 |
| 16:00.00 | johaBBa | benmeyer: i guess i'll have to keep WinXP in my laptop...... |
| 16:00.23 | Twiun | SillyZ: did you rebuild qte using 2.95.3? |
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| 16:01.11 | SillyZ | no |
| 16:01.12 | SillyZ | I havent |
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| 16:01.16 | SillyZ | doh... |
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| 16:02.34 | Bongo | anyone awake? #opie seems deserted |
| 16:03.18 | johaBBa | i'm awake....sorta. |
| 16:03.34 | Bongo | opies booting into the console :|| |
| 16:04.34 | johaBBa | yikes. |
| 16:04.42 | johaBBa | hrm... |
| 16:04.48 | Bongo | its annoying me |
| 16:04.50 | johaBBa | did you try to reflash? |
| 16:04.57 | Bongo | nope |
| 16:05.08 | Bongo | i installed stuff using qtopia desktop |
| 16:05.10 | Bongo | rebooted |
| 16:05.11 | johaBBa | try a fresh flash....after you backup of course. |
| 16:05.20 | Bongo | i cant backup can i |
| 16:05.25 | Bongo | i cant get into opie |
| 16:05.34 | johaBBa | yeah, you are using Opie and OZ or the Opie and Sharp ROM? |
| 16:05.48 | Bongo | opie and oz |
| 16:05.57 | benmeyer | http://www.linuxfaq.de/f/cache/200.html |
| 16:05.59 | benmeyer | interesting |
| 16:06.02 | johaBBa | there's a ssh server.... |
| 16:06.19 | Bongo | i can log in as root fine |
| 16:07.46 | johaBBa | Bongo: ssh to your Z and copy your stuff off. |
| 16:07.57 | johaBBa | Bongo: then reflash. |
| 16:08.04 | Bongo | im not running linux tho |
| 16:08.14 | Bongo | so theres no way to fix it |
| 16:09.02 | johaBBa | Bongo: not that i know of....you _could_ try to do a startx from the console and see if opie starts. |
| 16:09.21 | johaBBa | Bongo: or you could try to connect with qtopia desktop still and reinstall opie. |
| 16:09.22 | Bongo | You already have a /root/applications directory Assuming it is the Opie Applications dir. Exiting |
| 16:09.41 | Bongo | startx |
| 16:09.46 | Bongo | no such file or dir |
| 16:10.19 | johaBBa | Bongo: yeah, your opie install is hosed.....what OZ3 did you use? 40/24 48/16 ? |
| 16:10.37 | Bongo | i wanted to install konquerer |
| 16:10.48 | Bongo | and it installed qt-embedded :| |
| 16:11.09 | johaBBa | yeah, you need qt-embedded. |
| 16:11.38 | johaBBa | Bongo: i would reflash with 40/24 |
| 16:11.58 | Bongo | i wanted to see if i could set it up so i could surf from me pda without having to have a proxy on windows comp |
| 16:12.00 | Bongo | look |
| 16:12.07 | Bongo | i cant get access to the cf card |
| 16:12.17 | Bongo | how am i gonna change the flash contents? |
| 16:12.44 | johaBBa | card reader. |
| 16:12.52 | Bongo | and i have one lying around? |
| 16:13.02 | Bongo | actually |
| 16:13.06 | johaBBa | you should if you are flashing your Z. |
| 16:13.20 | Bongo | if i have a working enviroment |
| 16:13.27 | johaBBa | only way to get back the Sharp ROM or your data if you mess up your Z |
| 16:13.31 | Bongo | i just copy rom with qtopia desktop |
| 16:13.45 | Bongo | our printer has a cf card slot |
| 16:15.07 | Bongo | cmon HP dont fail me now |
| 16:15.20 | Bongo | W000000000000000000000000T! |
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| 16:17.29 | Dilb | re |
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| 16:28.59 | Pendalar | pc->printer->cf is slow |
| 16:29.25 | Pendalar | I have a hp1000 .. it works if you can't/don't want to sftp in I guess |
| 16:29.40 | Bongo | pc->printer->cf is slow is better than pc to no cf card |
| 16:30.09 | Pendalar | you don't have ssh going on the pda? |
| 16:30.24 | Bongo | i dont have linux on desktop |
| 16:30.42 | chouimat | Bongo: install putty |
| 16:30.55 | Pendalar | you don't need to |
| 16:31.07 | Bongo | ive flsahed again |
| 16:31.10 | Bongo | nvm |
| 16:31.25 | Pendalar | I use putty for ssh'ing into the pda, but FileZilla is pretty good for graphical sftp |
| 16:33.30 | SillyZ | Twiun so Im gonna need to download the qtopia source and recompile for 2.95.3 |
| 16:33.55 | Twiun | I take it you were using an rpm then? |
| 16:34.43 | SillyZ | aye |
| 16:34.49 | SillyZ | I was |
| 16:34.58 | Twiun | then yeah, definately |
| 16:35.28 | SillyZ | hmmm Im gonna have to rebuild everything then |
| 16:35.36 | Twiun | join the club ;-) |
| 16:35.51 | Twiun | no, seriously though... what do you mean by everything? |
| 16:36.24 | SillyZ | arm-linux-tools, etc etc etc |
| 16:36.59 | Twiun | why? you mean you've built the rest using 3.2? |
| 16:37.39 | chouimat | before making an apple pie do I need to create the universe? |
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| 16:38.46 | chouimat | hi spencer_Z |
| 16:38.51 | benmeyer | chouimat: not yes |
| 16:38.52 | spencer_Z | hi |
| 16:39.15 | SillyZ | naa I was just using the rpms |
| 16:39.47 | Twiun | lol |
| 16:39.54 | Twiun | use the Source luke |
| 16:40.03 | benmeyer | anyone want to know how to turn off the screeen? |
| 16:40.04 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 16:40.20 | Twiun | yeah! |
| 16:40.29 | benmeyer | can I flood the code here? |
| 16:40.32 | benmeyer | any objections? |
| 16:40.39 | chouimat | nope |
| 16:40.43 | Twiun | nope, go for it |
| 16:40.46 | benmeyer | #include <fcntl.h> |
| 16:40.46 | benmeyer | #include <stdio.h> |
| 16:40.46 | benmeyer | #include <pthread.h> |
| 16:40.46 | benmeyer | #include <unistd.h> |
| 16:40.47 | benmeyer | #include <stdlib.h> |
| 16:40.47 | benmeyer | #include <sys/time.h> |
| 16:40.49 | benmeyer | #include <unistd.h> |
| 16:40.51 | benmeyer | #include <sys/ioctl.h> |
| 16:40.53 | benmeyer | #include <time.h> |
| 16:40.55 | benmeyer | #define VESA_NO_BLANKING 0 |
| 16:40.57 | benmeyer | #define VESA_VSYNC_SUSPEND 1 |
| 16:40.59 | benmeyer | #define VESAg_HSYNC_SUSPEND 2 |
| 16:41.01 | benmeyer | #define VESA_POWERDOWN 3 |
| 16:41.03 | benmeyer | #define FBIOBLANK0x4611/* arg: 0 or vesa level + 1 */ |
| 16:41.05 | benmeyer | int main( int argc, char *argv[] ) |
| 16:41.07 | benmeyer | { |
| 16:41.09 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.11 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.12 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.15 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.17 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.19 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.21 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.23 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.25 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.27 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.29 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.30 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.33 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.34 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.36 | spencer_Z | ugh im being flooded!! |
| 16:41.36 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.39 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.41 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.43 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.43 | Wintre | tch tch |
| 16:41.45 | benmeyer | } |
| 16:41.47 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 16:41.49 | Twiun | spencer_Z: take it like a man! |
| 16:41.50 | spencer_Z | kick! |
| 16:41.51 | Wintre | Fy for flooding |
| 16:41.58 | Twiun | he did ask first ;-) |
| 16:41.58 | Wintre | And fy for inefficient code |
| 16:42.08 | chouimat | benmeyer: good idea |
| 16:42.13 | Pendalar | cool |
| 16:43.00 | zecke | benmeyer: if( mode == 1 ) is rather a code duplication ;) |
| 16:43.27 | zecke | benmeyer: use mode to contain the VESA_* |
| 16:43.54 | SillyZ | I have, havent really had any trouble with ebay stuff |
| 16:44.00 | benmeyer | true |
| 16:44.07 | benmeyer | just an example |
| 16:44.41 | Pendalar | ben do you mess with the led's? |
| 16:45.17 | zecke | benmeyer: but it would be more safe to pull the cord off the lcd controller |
| 16:45.50 | Pendalar | errr.. if you don't fry a chip or something opening it every time |
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| 16:57.58 | SillyZ | oooo building qtopia-free is gonna take forever |
| 17:00.06 | ZhEN | ls |
| 17:00.11 | Bongo | rm |
| 17:00.12 | ZhEN | heh, wrong window |
| 17:00.13 | ZhEN | hi all |
| 17:00.29 | Bongo | rmdir /usr |
| 17:00.32 | Bongo | :) |
| 17:00.37 | ZhEN | rm -r /* |
| 17:00.38 | ZhEN | heh |
| 17:00.41 | Bongo | :p |
| 17:00.43 | noda | rm -r / |
| 17:00.49 | ZhEN | that works too |
| 17:00.54 | ZhEN | whatever floats your boat ;-) |
| 17:00.54 | bill20r3 | now that the source is open |
| 17:01.06 | ZhEN | at any rate - are there any mail clients (besides mail2) for oz? |
| 17:01.36 | ZhEN | and how would i go about getting access to the unstable stream? |
| 17:03.02 | Wintre | Yay for 50 of them being spam |
| 17:03.03 | Wintre | Ack |
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| 17:03.56 | noda | ibot oz feed |
| 17:03.57 | | methinks oz feed is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 17:04.02 | nostromo | Hi to all (from opie-irc) |
| 17:04.38 | ljp_work | hi opie-irc |
| 17:04.54 | nostromo | :-) |
| 17:05.14 | ZhEN | how would i set my z to use the unstable feed? |
| 17:05.38 | noda | ZhEN: Use the "Settings" in AQPkg. |
| 17:05.50 | ZhEN | noda thanks ;-) |
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| 17:11.20 | spencer_Z | lunch |
| 17:12.14 | ZhEN | anyone know where opiemediaplayer2 is located? |
| 17:12.49 | Bongo | the package? |
| 17:13.02 | ZhEN | yeah |
| 17:13.09 | noda | ZhEN: http://openzaurus.org/temp_downloads |
| 17:13.18 | noda | And yes, that's a temporary location :P |
| 17:13.26 | ZhEN | noda heh, thanks ;-) |
| 17:13.39 | ZhEN | i am having dumb probs with installing pkgs from my cf card |
| 17:13.47 | ZhEN | ipkg will not see them |
| 17:13.51 | Bongo | no what u mean |
| 17:14.42 | ZhEN | when i insert the cf card, and it has packages on it, they will not show up in the doc tab or in ipkg |
| 17:14.58 | Bongo | opie? |
| 17:15.03 | Bongo | or sharp |
| 17:15.32 | kergoth | noda: move that into unofficial. |
| 17:17.02 | noda | kergoth: Really? Okay... |
| 17:17.30 | noda | Just unofficial/, or unofficial/unstable or something? |
| 17:17.31 | ZhEN | kergoth hola |
| 17:17.45 | ZhEN | btw - the fbvncserver pkg is a 404 in the oz3 feed |
| 17:18.23 | Bongo | damn u premiere |
| 17:18.36 | noda | Okay, they're at http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/ now. |
| 17:18.41 | johaBBa | anyone know where a working vnc.ipkg is? |
| 17:20.17 | Bongo | anyone know javascript? |
| 17:20.26 | noda | Bongo: Depends on how in-depth :) |
| 17:20.42 | Bongo | want to create a nice menu |
| 17:21.00 | noda | Do a google search and use an existing one. |
| 17:21.03 | ZzzGogo | Bongo: wahat do u need? |
| 17:21.18 | Bongo | want a menu with a + sign |
| 17:21.23 | ZzzGogo | ? |
| 17:21.27 | noda | Or ask on #web. |
| 17:21.29 | ZzzGogo | folder tree? |
| 17:21.31 | Bongo | when u click the + it shows sub menus |
| 17:21.34 | noda | Bongo: MSDN has those, copy their code. :P |
| 17:21.38 | Bongo | nope |
| 17:21.44 | Bongo | how am i meant to learn |
| 17:21.44 | ZzzGogo | Bongo: foldertree... |
| 17:21.49 | Bongo | nooo |
| 17:21.50 | noda | By copying their code. |
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| 17:21.58 | Bongo | i want to make it from scratch |
| 17:22.02 | Bongo | so i can learn it |
| 17:22.07 | noda | Well how are we supposed to help then? |
| 17:22.09 | ZzzGogo | http://javascript.internet.com <-- get the fodertree |
| 17:22.13 | Bongo | rather than copying someonelses |
| 17:22.23 | noda | And what on EARTH does that have to do with the Zaurus... if you're gonna ask this on IRC, ask on #web. |
| 17:22.26 | ZzzGogo | http://www.teamone.de/selfhtml/ <-- learn JS |
| 17:22.32 | Wintre | Bongo: JavaScript is totally off-topic here |
| 17:22.42 | Bongo | not as if anyone else is saying anything... |
| 17:22.43 | Bongo | actually |
| 17:22.50 | Wintre | That doesn't make it *on* topic |
| 17:22.56 | Bongo | the sharp rom uses Java :p |
| 17:23.05 | Wintre | Java and JavaScript are totally unrelated |
| 17:23.19 | ZzzGogo | go look at the urlas i gave u ... |
| 17:23.23 | ZzzGogo | -a |
| 17:23.24 | Bongo | :-o |
| 17:23.55 | Bongo | yey |
| 17:23.58 | Bongo | german :| |
| 17:23.58 | ZzzGogo | by the way, i wouldn't start out with a foldertree..... |
| 17:24.08 | ZzzGogo | ther should be an english version, too |
| 17:24.42 | Bongo | nope |
| 17:25.41 | ZzzGogo | http://www.google.de/search?q=javascript+tutorial&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=de&meta= |
| 17:26.00 | ZzzGogo | ... |
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| 17:26.21 | Bongo | i prefer learning from a human |
| 17:26.25 | NetAmp | Greetings fellow Zaurusians |
| 17:26.35 | Bongo | u wont get very far if u ask a webpage a question |
| 17:26.37 | noda | Bongo: Humans prefer not to teach you. |
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| 17:26.45 | Bongo | rofl |
| 17:26.51 | Bongo | theres one person in that |
| 17:26.53 | johaBBa | NetAmp: what?! |
| 17:27.05 | noda | Bongo: I prefer to eat in fancy restaurants every night, but that doesn't mean I won't have Kraft Dinner tonight :) |
| 17:27.18 | NetAmp | johaBBa: don't mind me I'm not from this world ;-) |
| 17:27.55 | NetAmp | ibot, you're alive! |
| 17:27.55 | | NetAmp: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:28.00 | NetAmp | hah |
| 17:29.45 | ZhEN | any recommendations on fbvncserver? ie setting it up, getting it to install etc |
| 17:29.54 | NetAmp | gimme! |
| 17:30.04 | NetAmp | I can't even download fbvncserver-oz :S |
| 17:30.11 | ZhEN | heh |
| 17:30.12 | NetAmp | at least not from AQPkg |
| 17:30.19 | ZhEN | i have it on my cf - not sure where i got it |
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| 17:30.27 | kergoth | the packagename is 'fbvncserver', not fbvncserver-oz |
| 17:30.32 | kergoth | -oz is teh old version, you dont want it |
| 17:30.43 | NetAmp | sorry, it says that in my AQPkg thingy |
| 17:30.44 | andrius | thanks for your help last night, kergoth:) |
| 17:30.50 | ZhEN | is it in the feed yet? |
| 17:30.56 | NetAmp | the Package manager, even though I refreshed the list |
| 17:31.07 | NetAmp | I'll check the feed settings... |
| 17:31.21 | NetAmp | ZhEN: I did that too yesterday, multiple times :s |
| 17:31.22 | kergoth | andrius: no problem |
| 17:31.38 | NetAmp|dinner | bbl |
| 17:31.43 | ZhEN | kergoth do you know where i could get that package? |
| 17:31.52 | NetAmp|dinner | (why can't I just eat dinner via SSH or VNC? oh well..) |
| 17:32.16 | kergoth | ZhEN: its in the testing OZ feed. it will be in the untsable oz feed shortly |
| 17:32.28 | ZhEN | kergoth excellent - i can test if you wish ;-) |
| 17:35.19 | Bongo | netamp gimme some plz |
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| 17:37.54 | Bongo | cool |
| 17:37.58 | Bongo | strawberry |
| 17:38.02 | kergoth | good stuff |
| 17:38.12 | Bongo | i like choco mallow =) |
| 17:39.15 | ZhEN | hmm |
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| 17:39.36 | ZhEN | is there any way to get the hancom packages for oz? |
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| 17:40.21 | JasonNJ | sup dudes |
| 17:40.21 | benmeyer | man is mozilla anoying |
| 17:40.29 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o JasonNJ] by ChanServ |
| 17:40.33 | JasonNJ | heheh check this out |
| 17:40.34 | JasonNJ | http://www.wired.com/news/images/full/attackofthegatways_f.jpg |
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| 17:43.19 | kergoth | hey JasonNJ, benmeyer |
| 17:43.33 | JasonNJ | sup goth. |
| 17:44.04 | kergoth | nada, shitty monday as always |
| 17:44.05 | kergoth | you? |
| 17:44.16 | Twiun | hey Jason |
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| 17:50.50 | benmeyer | hey kergoth |
| 17:50.58 | benmeyer | oz doesn't seem to connect to usbdnet |
| 17:51.02 | benmeyer | out of the box |
| 17:51.12 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:51.17 | mark | cool, just saw a Z review in the Telegraph |
| 17:51.29 | benmeyer | oz doesn't run a dhcp server |
| 17:51.45 | kergoth | right |
| 17:51.49 | kergoth | thats in the faq btw |
| 17:51.49 | kergoth | :P |
| 17:51.58 | kergoth | we'll add udhcpd, but the thing is, how would we configure it? |
| 17:52.08 | kergoth | networksetup uses interfaces, afaik theres no way to configure a dhcp server via interfaces |
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| 17:52.28 | kendrick2 | anyone hear heard of a company called Dynamism? |
| 17:52.57 | kergoth | doesnt ring a bell |
| 17:53.24 | JasonNJ | kendrick: they have been around for about 5 years. |
| 17:53.25 | kendrick2 | apparently they specialize in bringing japanese products to the US/elsewhere |
| 17:53.31 | kendrick2 | oh..uh.. |
| 17:53.32 | kendrick2 | hi jason |
| 17:53.33 | JasonNJ | basically, they sell grey market material in the US |
| 17:53.40 | johaBBa | benmeyer: so what if you set the ip on the Z statically? |
| 17:53.48 | kendrick2 | someone from them is on zaurus-general, it seems |
| 17:53.58 | kendrick2 | they emailed me privately saying they'll be selling the C700 |
| 17:54.01 | JasonNJ | the problem is, is that there isnt any localization work being done for the C700 |
| 17:54.04 | kendrick2 | (with an English OS) |
| 17:54.09 | JasonNJ | kendrick: no way. |
| 17:54.15 | kendrick2 | that's what he said!!! |
| 17:54.15 | JasonNJ | they lie. |
| 17:54.19 | JasonNJ | he's full of shit. |
| 17:54.19 | mark | they're saying thy've got it in english |
| 17:54.31 | kendrick2 | actually, i'm sorry, i'm not actually sure if this guy is from that company, now that i think of it |
| 17:54.35 | JasonNJ | mark: THERE ARE ONLY 4 C700's in the WORLD |
| 17:54.40 | JasonNJ | they dont exist |
| 17:54.48 | JasonNJ | of this, I can assure you |
| 17:54.53 | ljp_work | ahh like the vercel |
| 17:54.57 | kendrick2 | mark - where did you hear about this? |
| 17:55.02 | kendrick2 | oh yeah - how's the vercel coming? |
| 17:55.05 | JasonNJ | all 4 have been built by hand and are prototypes |
| 17:55.08 | JasonNJ | kendrick: slowly |
| 17:55.16 | mark | JasonNJ: right. |
| 17:55.20 | mark | kendrick2: erm zaurusznoe |
| 17:55.22 | tez | Hi all |
| 17:55.26 | ljp_work | kendrick2: you'd have to ask BZFlag, but last I heard, still no funding |
| 17:55.28 | kendrick2 | mark - oh... hmm |
| 17:55.31 | JasonNJ | and we dont intend to sell any until March in Japan |
| 17:55.33 | kendrick2 | ljp - d'oh |
| 17:55.43 | JasonNJ | the software has not even been completed |
| 17:55.48 | kendrick2 | jason - hehe, i can apparently buy with with an english OS in mid-december :^) |
| 17:55.51 | treke|laptop | JasonNJ: the zaurusvip deal over now? |
| 17:55.54 | tez | How do I know when the Z has finished flashing the ROM? Do the mail and power lets just go off? |
| 17:55.56 | JasonNJ | no |
| 17:55.56 | kendrick2 | http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml |
| 17:56.01 | JasonNJ | its good unti the 7th |
| 17:56.11 | kendrick2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.15 | kendrick2 | is it $249 or $399? :) |
| 17:56.17 | treke|laptop | JasonNJ: Just curios, since they seem to have raised the price :) |
| 17:56.20 | JasonNJ | no its 249 |
| 17:56.22 | XavierXeon | tez: the mail led goes out |
| 17:56.24 | JasonNJ | no way |
| 17:56.28 | JasonNJ | not if its vs0002 |
| 17:56.29 | tez | XavierXeon: Cheers |
| 17:56.34 | treke|laptop | JasonNJ: try it |
| 17:56.53 | kendrick2 | uh... is it me, or does zaurusvip not work in netscape? |
| 17:57.09 | kendrick2 | ah, indeed... there's the text, way below the bottom of the page. with no form fields to be found |
| 17:57.09 | kendrick2 | >:^( |
| 17:57.16 | JasonNJ | ok so that means they must have stopped it over the weekend |
| 17:57.32 | *** join/#zaurus Neo|Work (~neotron@207.188.30.40) |
| 17:57.45 | tez | XavierXeon: Hmm. Both my power and mail lets went out. |
| 17:57.56 | mark | JasonNJ: unless they're planning on running OZ on it something |
| 17:58.07 | kendrick2 | hey neo |
| 17:58.17 | JasonNJ | mark: OZ hasnt been ported to the architecture yet |
| 17:58.30 | kendrick2 | how different is it? |
| 17:58.32 | JasonNJ | seriously, there is no way dynamism can guarantee the units. |
| 17:58.35 | JasonNJ | kendrick: very |
| 17:58.36 | mark | JasonNJ: _planning_ * |
| 17:58.43 | mark | ;-) |
| 17:58.44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: putting OZ on that will be easy once we have the kernel sources. building myeslf a xscale toolchain or 3 is easy |
| 17:58.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:58.52 | JasonNJ | and btw, we have our legal department investigating them |
| 17:59.02 | mark | JasonNJ: i read 2.4.19 kernel somewhere |
| 17:59.04 | JasonNJ | kergoth: once you have the kernel, yes |
| 17:59.14 | JasonNJ | but right now, you dont |
| 17:59.17 | kergoth | right |
| 17:59.17 | SillyZ | yikes, qtopia is still recompiling |
| 17:59.19 | JasonNJ | :) |
| 17:59.21 | kendrick2 | jnj - heh |
| 17:59.24 | lsmith | huh .. that kernel is ancient .. dont we kabe 2.4.20 now? ;-) |
| 17:59.35 | lsmith | s/kabe/have |
| 17:59.41 | XavierXeon | tez: thats ok. the power led will also go out if the battery is full |
| 17:59.44 | kendrick2 | atari800 1.2.5 is out :) |
| 17:59.46 | kendrick2 | someone build for Z! |
| 17:59.48 | kergoth | lsmith: feel free to port the 5[50]00 kernel to 2.4.20 for me, thatd be great, thanks |
| 17:59.51 | kergoth | lsmith: ;) |
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| 18:00.02 | kendrick2 | so okay... |
| 18:00.06 | tez | XavierXeon: Yes! All is good. Thanks again. |
| 18:00.15 | JasonNJ | actually I have heard that BestBuy is now liquidating their zauus stock |
| 18:00.21 | kendrick2 | i posted that PCWorld article (the one that incorrectly claimed the SL-C700 is coming to the US in January) to a few newsgroups |
| 18:00.27 | JasonNJ | it actally come sout to like 230 with a rebate |
| 18:00.33 | lsmith | i heard something about a $250 sale ..? |
| 18:00.33 | kendrick2 | comp.os.linux.misc, comp.sys.palmtops, comp.sys.handhelds |
| 18:00.38 | lsmith | i padi 350 euros |
| 18:00.40 | kendrick2 | it has blown up into this HUGE flamewar over spam :) |
| 18:00.40 | JasonNJ | kendrick: shit |
| 18:00.48 | kendrick2 | fortunately, 99% of the people are on my side |
| 18:00.56 | lsmith | and you get the kamera 100 euros off |
| 18:00.59 | kendrick2 | the other is apparently an asshole (people dug around google groups usenet archives :^) ) |
| 18:01.04 | lsmith | through sharp.de |
| 18:01.08 | JasonNJ | to be perfectly honest I was against the public demonstration of the C700 |
| 18:01.20 | JasonNJ | because it confuses the marketplace.. our next product is the 5600 |
| 18:01.23 | kendrick2 | jasonnj - don't worry - i posted a follow-up saying that the PCWorld article is apparently (& unfortunately) wrong |
| 18:01.33 | tez | How long is the first boot up of OZ supposed to take? |
| 18:01.34 | JasonNJ | the C700 is not suitable for the us market |
| 18:01.43 | JasonNJ | battery is way too small |
| 18:01.45 | kergoth | tez: couple minutes. the ssh key generation takes a bit |
| 18:01.50 | lsmith | JasonNJ: well it pisses of the rest of the world that doesnt get to touch em ;-) |
| 18:01.51 | mark | tez: few mins |
| 18:02.00 | tez | Ah, cheers |
| 18:02.01 | mark | JasonNJ: shove the bigger battery in it then :) |
| 18:02.09 | kendrick2 | jasonnj - liquidating for SL-5600? or just dropping zaurus altogether? (bestbuy) |
| 18:02.15 | kendrick2 | lsmith - that is SO true |
| 18:02.16 | JasonNJ | mark: well, that will probably require ditching one of the expansion slots |
| 18:02.24 | kendrick2 | SO many people see the C700 and say "THAT'S what I want!!!" |
| 18:02.35 | JasonNJ | kendrick: dropping altogether |
| 18:02.46 | tez | Oh yes, that's an interesting point. When the 5600 comes out, will you be able to buy its battery and place it in the 5500? |
| 18:02.47 | JasonNJ | the zaurus is no longer a retail product |
| 18:02.48 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: the C700 could kick butt in the US. and battery, shouodn't be hard to solve no? |
| 18:02.48 | kendrick2 | jasonnj - was it bestbuy who is dropping PDAs completely? |
| 18:02.52 | kergoth | GOD i hate libtool |
| 18:02.53 | kergoth | !@#5 |
| 18:02.58 | mark | kendrick2: yeah, it seems like the perfect blend between pim/laptop/tablet pc etc |
| 18:03.05 | treke|laptop | kendrick2: how is a new zaurus off topic in hand held and linux news groups? :) |
| 18:03.09 | JasonNJ | its an enterprise product which IBM is going to assist us in marketing |
| 18:03.12 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: no retail? So Zaurus will stay a fringe product then? :-( |
| 18:03.14 | kendrick2 | treke - EXACTLY |
| 18:03.18 | kendrick2 | it's because the guy is a fucking dork |
| 18:03.21 | JasonNJ | neo: for the most part, yes |
| 18:03.29 | mark | fuckit |
| 18:03.30 | JasonNJ | until we have something consumers want |
| 18:03.30 | kendrick2 | jason - is this sharp's feeling, or bestbuy? |
| 18:03.31 | bfox-work | JasonNJ: Sorry I missed you for Thai food at the show. BTW, I've started hacking on OZ. |
| 18:03.32 | Neo|Work | ok, that sucks |
| 18:03.41 | mark | that sucks majorly |
| 18:03.50 | Com[Plex] | jason nj, how can a small battery be suitable for sale Anywhere? |
| 18:03.57 | JasonNJ | neo: for you, it definitely does |
| 18:04.01 | kergoth | bfox-work: what packages have you altered so far? |
| 18:04.07 | Wintre | complex: Places where people are at their desks a lot and roam a bit |
| 18:04.12 | JasonNJ | now, wer'e going to have select retailers like amazon and frys and office depot |
| 18:04.22 | JasonNJ | but it wont be a big consumer play |
| 18:04.22 | bfox-work | kergoth: No mods to speak of -- I sent you mail about ppp |
| 18:04.26 | kendrick2 | office depot makes sense |
| 18:04.30 | mark | i've met plenty of consumers who want something like the c700 |
| 18:04.30 | Neo|Work | as usual it's good for the kompany but not for games stuff indeed |
| 18:04.38 | kendrick2 | fry's does too, except those guys SUUUUUCK |
| 18:04.41 | JasonNJ | its going to be promarily sold thru integrators and solutions providers |
| 18:04.41 | kergoth | bfox-work: gotcha. |
| 18:04.45 | Neo|Work | ah well, I will just diversify to PocketPC for original titles |
| 18:04.49 | bfox-work | kergoth: I want a micro-bash as a default shell. ash doesn't cut it for me. |
| 18:04.49 | kendrick2 | jasonnj - that's good for sharp :) |
| 18:04.56 | kendrick2 | neo - thank god for SDL, huh? :) |
| 18:05.05 | kergoth | bfox-work: bash is massive, it wont be making it into the default roms. |
| 18:05.07 | mark | JasonNJ: so you saying the 5600 won't be sold through normal retail output? |
| 18:05.16 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: uh. SDL doesn't change the fact that the customers won't be your typical gamers |
| 18:05.23 | bfox-work | kergoth: I'll be shrinking it down. |
| 18:05.25 | JasonNJ | mark: that is correct |
| 18:05.27 | tez | Goodness, OZ booting up is taking forever. |
| 18:05.34 | mark | this sucks |
| 18:05.35 | JasonNJ | unless the distribution situation changes |
| 18:05.41 | Bongo | i am yer typical gamer |
| 18:05.42 | Neo|Work | kergoth: it's not massive. it's in the normal Zaurus rom w/o a problem |
| 18:05.58 | kendrick2 | neo - i'm talking about in general, not just pdas ;) |
| 18:05.59 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 18:06.01 | kergoth | Neo|Work: its massive. thats why OZ has 4.5 megs free out of the box as opposed to sharp |
| 18:06.04 | kergoth | bfox-work: how far? |
| 18:06.05 | *** join/#zaurus zecke (~ich@pD9E7D368.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:06.11 | treke|laptop | Neo|Work: oh well, you can always sell to ipaq owners :) |
| 18:06.16 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: of course it's possible SDL would work as an API for games on PocketPC./ :P |
| 18:06.21 | lsmith | JasonNJ: how is sharps general stance towards opie/openzaurus? |
| 18:06.28 | kendrick2 | neo - i thought it did (or at least was being worked on) |
| 18:06.32 | Com[Plex] | hey jkergoth, I have a problem with akpg, it no longer hows me my installed ipkjs, or my local ipks that I have stored on my cf card. - how can I get these back? |
| 18:06.33 | Neo|Work | kergoth: a few hundred KB won't hurt anything |
| 18:06.44 | kergoth | Neo|Work: default build is around 800KB |
| 18:06.50 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: it does run there but I don't know how well / how fast etc |
| 18:06.51 | kergoth | Neo|Work: to that, i say fuck no |
| 18:06.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:06.57 | kendrick2 | weird |
| 18:06.59 | Neo|Work | kergoth: get real. :P |
| 18:07.08 | Neo|Work | that's like 100 KB used space at most |
| 18:07.25 | kendrick2 | i like how this idiot keeps arguing about spam. someone replies, and his response is: |
| 18:07.29 | kendrick2 | "All true, all off our topic. Let's not wander, okay?" |
| 18:07.29 | Neo|Work | unless you meant 200 KB compressed |
| 18:07.33 | lsmith | Com[Plex]: how is your status file looking? |
| 18:07.38 | kendrick2 | THE FUCKING SUBJECT LINE OF THE MESSAGE IS: "Zaurus SL-C700 apparently coming to US!?" |
| 18:07.47 | kergoth | Neo|Work: eh? i said nothing about 200 |
| 18:07.47 | mark | kendrick2: shush, ur OT :P |
| 18:07.48 | kendrick2 | NONE of it is on "our topic" |
| 18:07.53 | kendrick2 | sorry :) |
| 18:08.12 | Com[Plex] | "status file" ?where is that located? |
| 18:08.16 | kergoth | bfox-work: if you can shrink it a bit, i'll consider including it. we've got space to spare in the roms. |
| 18:08.17 | Neo|Work | ah, 600 |
| 18:08.19 | Neo|Work | bad font sorry |
| 18:08.24 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 18:08.26 | kergoth | Neo|Work: np |
| 18:08.38 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.44 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.55 | kergoth | Neo|Work: so around 300k |
| 18:09.04 | kergoth | thats almost tolerable given how much space we have to work with |
| 18:09.06 | Neo|Work | everyone has to install bash anyway if they want to use the shell |
| 18:09.07 | JasonNJ | basically, the bottom line about the C700 is, to make it a viable product in the US, it needs a bigger battery and integrated wireless |
| 18:09.10 | Neo|Work | the ash just sucks |
| 18:09.11 | kergoth | Neo|Work: eh? |
| 18:09.16 | JasonNJ | so as it stands, it cant be sold in the US |
| 18:09.17 | kergoth | busybox ash is sufficient for most needs |
| 18:09.28 | Neo|Work | scripting yes, not interactive use |
| 18:09.31 | kergoth | it doesnt have history thats retained accross sessions though, which drives me nuts |
| 18:09.33 | *** join/#zaurus ljp_work (~ljp@01-077.026.popsite.net) |
| 18:09.33 | Neo|Work | it's absolutely horrific for that |
| 18:09.34 | kergoth | Neo|Work: how so? |
| 18:09.37 | Com[Plex] | status file loks fine.. |
| 18:09.41 | Com[Plex] | what am I looking for? |
| 18:09.43 | Neo|Work | it's just bad / wrong / annoying |
| 18:09.44 | kendrick2 | jason - send the designers to work, then! |
| 18:09.46 | Neo|Work | i can't stand it |
| 18:09.50 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: try grabbing the latest aqpkg from unstable |
| 18:09.55 | JasonNJ | kendrick: they are at work |
| 18:10.02 | JasonNJ | thats what we teamed up with IBM for |
| 18:10.03 | kendrick2 | good :) |
| 18:10.11 | kendrick2 | mmm... IBM team-up (*drool*) |
| 18:10.29 | Neo|Work | That part is good (IBM) |
| 18:10.43 | Com[Plex] | ibot aqpkg |
| 18:10.44 | | Com[Plex]: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:10.45 | kergoth | why the fuck does busybox put the '[' symlink in /usr |
| 18:10.48 | mark | yeap |
| 18:10.58 | kergoth | grr |
| 18:11.08 | kergoth | guess test puts it there too, thats annoying |
| 18:11.09 | tez | My OZ bootup is taking forever. Does anyone know what the problem might be? |
| 18:11.09 | kergoth | ah well |
| 18:11.16 | kergoth | tez: taking forever doing what? |
| 18:11.28 | tez | kergoth: On the first boot up |
| 18:11.36 | kergoth | DOING WHAT? |
| 18:11.39 | kergoth | whats on your screen? |
| 18:11.56 | tez | It's on the OpenZaurus splash screen, with the lizard creature. |
| 18:12.06 | tez | There's a blinking square on the power left. |
| 18:12.07 | ljp_work | its writing ssh keys |
| 18:12.25 | mark | hmm doesn't it say 'reconfiguring all packages installed to root' when its doing that ljp_work? |
| 18:12.27 | tez | Ok, as long as it's supposed to be taking this long. Cheers all. |
| 18:12.44 | Com[Plex] | tez. it takes abour 3-5 minutes to load the first time |
| 18:12.49 | kergoth | tez: the initrd.bin didnt flash then. |
| 18:12.57 | Com[Plex] | if its not loading, try restarting - power off and back on again |
| 18:12.58 | kergoth | tez: assuming it doesnt say reconfiguring packages installed to root on your Z |
| 18:13.05 | kergoth | tez: you did full reset after flashing right? |
| 18:13.07 | Wintre | Spam is not defined by quantity, but by content. Quantity just |
| 18:13.07 | Wintre | exacerbates it. |
| 18:13.19 | Wintre | In fact, that's exactly the the opposite of the defintion of usenet spam |
| 18:13.23 | tez | kergoth: I think so. Should I full reset again? |
| 18:13.35 | kergoth | tez: couldnt hurt anything. |
| 18:13.42 | treke|laptop | well at least now I know that mentioning a commercial product in a post makes it spam |
| 18:15.30 | bfox-work | kergoth: If ash has every scripting feature that you want, perhaps simply adding readline to it would satisfy for OZ? |
| 18:16.01 | kendrick2 | Linux on Palm V http://braggaar.reallyrules.com/files/default.htm |
| 18:16.36 | Wintre | treke: Makes it hard to talk about the Z at all |
| 18:16.40 | kendrick2 | yeah |
| 18:16.46 | kendrick2 | hard to talk about palm, pocketpc, ... :) |
| 18:16.50 | lsmith | JasonNJ: is there any reason why the yopy seems more energy efficient? |
| 18:17.11 | lsmith | atleast from reading an article in the german c't mag it looked that way |
| 18:17.27 | lsmith | slightly larger battery yet drastically longer battery life |
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| 18:17.45 | *** join/#zaurus hash (foobar@c-24-118-80-93.mn.client2.attbi.com) |
| 18:18.36 | tux_mike | kendrick2: i asked my friend to translate that article in his spare time |
| 18:18.43 | tux_mike | don't take it down :) |
| 18:18.51 | kendrick2 | which article? |
| 18:18.56 | tux_mike | the japanese one |
| 18:19.05 | kendrick2 | oh! the one on tuxpaint? |
| 18:19.07 | kendrick2 | thanks! :) :) |
| 18:19.08 | tux_mike | yah |
| 18:19.13 | tux_mike | no problem :) |
| 18:19.30 | tux_mike | he'll try to translate it. no promises though :) |
| 18:19.52 | kendrick2 | thx :) |
| 18:19.53 | Com[Plex] | lsmith: it has NO BACKLIGHT> |
| 18:19.58 | Com[Plex] | the Yopy has NO backlight. |
| 18:20.00 | lsmith | it does now |
| 18:20.05 | Twiun | JasonNJ: want to try a wonka with (basic) qtawt? |
| 18:20.09 | lsmith | and that version they testet |
| 18:20.28 | kendrick2 | "a wonka?" |
| 18:20.34 | lsmith | actually they were quite fond of the display/backlight combo if i remember the review correctly |
| 18:20.35 | Twiun | the Wonka java vm |
| 18:20.38 | lsmith | let me check |
| 18:20.39 | kendrick2 | ah |
| 18:20.43 | Twiun | kendrick2: oss |
| 18:21.50 | ZzzGogo | yes..... got that pretec compactlan card :)) |
| 18:22.45 | lsmith | the new yopy even comes with 128mb internal memory |
| 18:22.57 | Wintre | I forgot what a cesspool usenet has become |
| 18:23.18 | Twiun | JasonNJ: wonka+qtawt test available here http://adorphuye.com/files/wonkatest_0.9.4_arm.ipk |
| 18:23.31 | JasonNJ | whoa, how does it run? |
| 18:23.56 | kergoth | Twiun: nice |
| 18:24.33 | Twiun | JasonNJ: so far so good... all it does is show a window with text in it... but the java<->qt binding compiles and runs ;-) |
| 18:24.45 | sandman_ | kergoth: hi |
| 18:24.52 | kergoth | hey sandman_ |
| 18:25.07 | sandman_ | Has anyone tested opera on OZ3 with my new patches |
| 18:25.23 | kergoth | not to my knowledge |
| 18:25.24 | mark | Twiun: nice |
| 18:25.25 | Twiun | JasonNJ: tested on OZ3 so far |
| 18:25.28 | kergoth | sandman_: i'll ask around |
| 18:25.30 | Twiun | mark: thanks ;-) |
| 18:26.03 | Twiun[tv] | now for a well-deserved break ;-) |
| 18:26.12 | ZzzGogo | have fun Twiun[tv] |
| 18:26.14 | ZzzGogo | :) |
| 18:26.35 | mark | Twiun[tv]: slacker |
| 18:26.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:26.57 | sandman_ | Didn't you have any other apps that made problems (like Neocal) ? |
| 18:28.27 | ZzzGogo | hancom office?! :) |
| 18:28.44 | kergoth | hancom word breaks due to the font handling change in 2.3.4 |
| 18:28.58 | kergoth | sandman_: you hear about that one? :) not much we can do about it. the font fix broke bc |
| 18:29.04 | ZzzGogo | can it be fixed? |
| 18:29.16 | mark | what qt/e is used on 5600? |
| 18:29.18 | sandman_ | kergoth: could also be fixed via preload ;) |
| 18:29.20 | kergoth | ZzzGogo: only by copying a qt/e 2.3.2 lib and PRELOAD ing it |
| 18:29.24 | kergoth | sandman_: right |
| 18:29.33 | kergoth | sandman_: hmm |
| 18:29.34 | ZzzGogo | hmmm |
| 18:29.34 | sandman_ | kergoth: not the complete qt/e ! |
| 18:29.38 | kergoth | yeah, i got you |
| 18:29.39 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:29.43 | ZzzGogo | whats the disadvantage? |
| 18:29.52 | sandman_ | kergoth: we have core/launcher/libpreload now |
| 18:29.54 | kybu | hi |
| 18:29.57 | kergoth | ZzzGogo: use of space. though according to sandman it could be worked around easier |
| 18:29.59 | ZzzGogo | big? slow? |
| 18:30.01 | kergoth | sandman_: i see that :) |
| 18:30.26 | ZzzGogo | well lets see what sandman will do about it :) |
| 18:31.05 | sandman_ | Is it only hancom word that's breaking ? |
| 18:31.33 | kergoth | sandman_: so i hear, yes |
| 18:32.03 | sandman_ | k .. all other apps should work with the __gmon_start fix |
| 18:33.36 | kergoth | cool. thanks |
| 18:33.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:34.09 | bfox-work | kergoth: If ash has every scripting feature that you want, perhaps simply adding readline to it would satisfy for OZ? |
| 18:34.20 | lsmith | sandman_: yes the other two hancom apps for work |
| 18:34.24 | lsmith | -for |
| 18:35.29 | kergoth | bfox-work: well, i suppose we can just include bash, then work in the background on improving busybox ash to the point where its sufficient. |
| 18:35.32 | kergoth | bfox-work: eh? |
| 18:37.19 | sandman_ | kergoth: Do you have a 2.95 tc with new binutils for prelinking ? |
| 18:37.20 | bfox-work | kergoth: The big question is where is the inefficiency? There's no reason to make a new version of bash called ash+ if we really need all of the scripting *and* interactive features of bash. On the other hand, if what is mostly missing is interactive features, adding readline and history to ash makes sense. |
| 18:38.00 | kergoth | sandman_: not handy. I can throw one together if you like |
| 18:38.17 | bfox-work | kergoth: So, if the ash shell actually has enough power to run all of the scripts that we want to install under OZ, I'll simply add interactive features (selectable) to ash. |
| 18:38.32 | sandman_ | kergoth: np .. just if you had one already compiled |
| 18:38.54 | bfox-work | kergoth: But, if we need the full scripting engine of Bash, then I'll remove the rare and unused features in bash (such as builtin help, and dynamically loadable builtins. |
| 18:38.55 | kergoth | bfox-work: right. well, you tell me if its scripting capabilities are sufficient. I havent run into a problem, but then I havent thrown a great deal of varying scripts at it |
| 18:39.03 | sandman_ | kergoth: What's the deal with bash<>ash .. familiar is running quite nicely with busybox ash |
| 18:39.19 | kergoth | sandman_: just some users requesting bash. not sure why. |
| 18:39.28 | sandman_ | use update-alternatives |
| 18:39.42 | kergoth | sandman_: myself, the only feature i find missing is a history which is in a file and as such survives across sessions |
| 18:39.51 | sandman_ | This is how it is done on familiar .. you can always install bash if you want |
| 18:39.52 | kergoth | sandman_: update-alternatives for /bin/sh? |
| 18:39.56 | sandman_ | yes |
| 18:40.10 | kergoth | sandman_: thats easy. a few users are requesting bash as -default-, which is a bit different :) |
| 18:40.17 | bfox-work | kergoth: I also greatly miss the complete interactive features of readline (the command line editing features) |
| 18:40.19 | kergoth | sandman_: good idea though. I dont use update-alternatives enough |
| 18:40.24 | bfox-work | the features in ash are weak. |
| 18:40.38 | sandman_ | The new busybox ipkg will use upd-alt for *all* bb applets |
| 18:41.19 | kergoth | sandman_: ah. I'll have to grab your postinst/prerm/etc from that ipk for my build :) |
| 18:41.28 | bfox-work | In addition, I believe that there are differences in function syntax and expression richness -- these can be worked around, but if there are enough scripts in other packages relying on them, I'd just as soon have them in the shell. |
| 18:41.41 | kergoth | bfox-work: such as? |
| 18:42.43 | sandman_ | where is the problem typing: "ipkg install bash" ? -- I never understood why somebody needs a 500K shell on a PDA as default .. |
| 18:43.01 | kergoth | sandman_: exactly. |
| 18:43.08 | bfox-work | kergoth: http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:KKMqVN30J_AC:www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/222/2002/6/0/8991851/+differences+between+ash+and+bash&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 |
| 18:43.21 | sandman_ | BTW: none of the familiar useres complained about it |
| 18:43.45 | bfox-work | Discusses in detail the reasons why one might want bash (forget about the bloat -- probably can drop about 30%) |
| 18:44.36 | sandman_ | bfox-work: The complete busybox binary for familiar is 400K .. 500K - 30% for shell on a PDA is still bloat IMHO |
| 18:45.21 | bfox-work | sandman_: My experience is that you either need a completely full-featured shell, or no interactivity at all. It sure is a pain when you want to use an interactive feature that is missing. Especially on a PDA where input is always slower. |
| 18:45.26 | lsmith | make it easy to switch and leave the default install nice and compact |
| 18:45.33 | bfox-work | (btw, where's the targus keyboard for the Z)? |
| 18:45.35 | lsmith | that is .. leave it as it is :-) |
| 18:46.01 | kendrick2 | byebye |
| 18:46.10 | kergoth | bfox-work: so wheres the problem with installing bash? |
| 18:46.13 | kergoth | bfox-work: its in the feeds. |
| 18:46.36 | bfox-work | Hello? Is anybody home? |
| 18:46.44 | bfox-work | Bash in the feeds is large. |
| 18:46.50 | lsmith | rofl |
| 18:46.51 | bfox-work | Ash in OZ lacks features. |
| 18:46.56 | kergoth | and..? |
| 18:46.59 | sandman_ | kergoth: familiar happily changed to busybox -- OZ is doing the reverse ;) |
| 18:47.05 | kergoth | so give me a patch to shrink bash. feel free. |
| 18:47.14 | kergoth | I'm telling you I see no reason to include bash in the rom by default. |
| 18:47.15 | bfox-work | I'm trying to discuss the right fix. |
| 18:47.24 | lsmith | i think he is talking about adding some of the features to ash |
| 18:47.34 | bfox-work | I'm talking about the tradeoff. |
| 18:47.36 | kergoth | he's talking about 1) shrinking bash or 2) bloating ash |
| 18:47.37 | kergoth | right |
| 18:47.48 | bfox-work | Bash has scripting features which aren't present is ash. (see link above) |
| 18:47.52 | kergoth | and my point is, regardless of which direction you wish to go, there's no reason to include bash in the rom |
| 18:48.13 | sandman_ | bfox-work: shrink bash and make a bash-light package that uses upd-alt for /bin/sh ... where's the problem ? |
| 18:48.15 | kergoth | if you need said features, install bash |
| 18:48.19 | kergoth | sandman_: right |
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| 18:48.37 | bfox-work | The reason to include bash in the rom would be if there are numerous other packages that would be relying on the scripting features present in bash -- like most linux apps. |
| 18:48.51 | bfox-work | Installing bash AND ash would be a wast. |
| 18:48.55 | bfox-work | waste. |
| 18:49.04 | sandman_ | bfox-work: We need 6 patches to port the *complete* familiar to busybox ash ... |
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| 18:49.12 | bfox-work | (hello adam) |
| 18:49.19 | noda | Hallo! :) |
| 18:50.13 | bfox-work | sandman_: are you missing any interactive features? |
| 18:50.15 | sandman_ | (and all of these patches were deprecated features of bash) |
| 18:50.28 | sandman_ | no - why ? |
| 18:50.31 | sandman_ | what ? |
| 18:50.45 | bfox-work | For example, do you want persistant history sessions? |
| 18:50.53 | kergoth | bfox-work: interactive features are irrelevant to the issue of what shell to include by default. |
| 18:50.54 | bfox-work | Do you want meta-. to work? |
| 18:51.07 | kergoth | bfox-work: as you yourself said, its the scripting features that affect that |
| 18:51.18 | bfox-work | That's only true if there is no interactive shell in the rom by default. |
| 18:51.20 | sandman_ | Would be nice .. if I have some time I could hack it in .. maybe talk to vodz |
| 18:51.31 | sandman_ | What else ? |
| 18:51.36 | bfox-work | If there is an interactive shell in the ROM by default, then the question of what features are desirable matters. |
| 18:51.58 | kergoth | bfox-work: right. and I'm saying that missing a couple interactive features doesnt justify wasting 400-500k |
| 18:52.02 | sandman_ | bfox-work: Is history your only problem ? |
| 18:52.04 | kergoth | bfox-work: just install bash if thats what you want. |
| 18:52.49 | bfox-work | all: what I want is the best possible OZ. If that means bash, fine. If that means another shell, with interactive features, fine. If that means no interactive shell, fine. |
| 18:53.23 | bfox-work | What it doesn;t mean is that large numbers of people should have to install a peice of software to get the full effect of OZ. |
| 18:53.44 | kergoth | 'large numbers of people' |
| 18:53.46 | kergoth | that amuses me |
| 18:53.55 | bfox-work | Example -- what's the first thing about the Z that made you go "wow!". For me, it was a bash prompt. |
| 18:54.00 | kergoth | since i've had (1) request for this to date, and the familiar project has had very little |
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| 18:54.24 | sandman_ | I had 20 complaints about mount, but none about bash ... |
| 18:54.43 | kergoth | right. same here. |
| 18:54.53 | bfox-work | Sorry, maybe I should try something else. What's on the top of the list to hack for OZ? |
| 18:54.57 | kergoth | the only busybox ash complaint to date afaik was regarding history across sessions |
| 18:55.28 | sandman_ | kergoth: I'll talk to vodz about implementing history .. |
| 18:55.38 | kergoth | sandman_: thanks |
| 18:55.48 | sandman_ | kergoth: bb ash code is a mess .. so I hope vodz will do it ;) |
| 18:55.50 | kergoth | sandman_: i see busybox has ipcalc and iproute and friends now eh. spiffy :) |
| 18:55.58 | kergoth | yeah, I looked at it, shuddered, and moved on to other things |
| 18:56.04 | bfox-work | Although I am capable of helping in different areas, as the author of the bash shell, the readline library, the history library, and parts of the posix spec, I felt I could be of most help in those areas. |
| 18:56.11 | sandman_ | I talked to ERik today .. no release date for 0.61 |
| 18:56.41 | sandman_ | But he said no applet is really unstable ATM |
| 18:56.56 | kergoth | bfox-work: certainly, glad to have your assistance. |
| 18:57.28 | sandman_ | bbl .. going home |
| 18:57.35 | kergoth | later sandman |
| 18:57.39 | bfox-work | ciao. |
| 18:59.10 | kergoth | bfox-work: I think its important to keep in mind that while OpenZaurus' target user base was the power user initially, the number of so called 'end users' is growing rapidly, and therefore the number of users that -need- certain interactive features in a shell is decreasing. |
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| 19:04.28 | johaBBa | is it ok to upgrade to unstable now? |
| 19:07.28 | lsmith | no |
| 19:07.49 | johaBBa | ok |
| 19:07.50 | lsmith | you still need an extra user to be able to login |
| 19:07.55 | mark | bfox-work: cool. thanks for bash :) |
| 19:07.56 | lsmith | and sshd still will not start |
| 19:09.05 | Twiun | mark: lol... what ROM are you running? |
| 19:09.28 | mark | Twiun: i'm not at the moment, winblows is refusing to write to my CF card so my Z is a brick :) |
| 19:09.41 | bill20r3 | booo |
| 19:09.53 | lsmith | mark: is it vfat? |
| 19:09.57 | mark | lsmith: yeah |
| 19:10.02 | Twiun | mark: damn |
| 19:10.07 | mark | and i cant find my 128Mb card |
| 19:10.14 | mark | so it may be the fact that my 32 one is bust |
| 19:10.14 | Twiun | anyone with a recent Sharp rom? |
| 19:10.15 | mark | or my reader |
| 19:10.16 | mark | or windows |
| 19:10.20 | mark | :-) |
| 19:11.09 | johaBBa | i'd bet on windoze |
| 19:11.19 | NetAmp|dinner | Windoze ;) |
| 19:11.36 | Neo|Work | mark: well, I personally lost my own CF card. :P |
| 19:12.06 | bfox-work | mark: You're welcome... And thanks for thanking me! |
| 19:13.09 | NetAmp | bash iz da bomb |
| 19:13.10 | NetAmp | bombshell :P |
| 19:13.19 | NetAmp | sorry couldn't resist saying that... |
| 19:13.20 | NetAmp | well |
| 19:13.45 | NetAmp | is fbvnc in the feed? i'm curious to try it ;) |
| 19:14.09 | NetAmp | ouch no feed even |
| 19:14.25 | NetAmp | is it down or my ISP annoying me again? |
| 19:15.15 | NetAmp | a-ha |
| 19:16.37 | johaBBa | eh? |
| 19:16.47 | johaBBa | where did you find it? |
| 19:17.21 | NetAmp | damn it's the -oz one again |
| 19:17.23 | sig | well I'm having to fill out a refund for my software that I purchased at myzaurus.com |
| 19:17.33 | treke | what software? |
| 19:17.42 | sig | zstyle and zstyle-liquid b0rked handcom word |
| 19:17.51 | treke | you cant use liquid with hancom word |
| 19:17.52 | sig | turned the screen black when i open it |
| 19:18.00 | sig | thats why I'm getting a refund |
| 19:18.02 | sig | :) |
| 19:18.05 | treke | just use the preferences to ignore word |
| 19:18.10 | NetAmp | hm openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/3.0/feed |
| 19:18.18 | NetAmp | isn't that the right feed? |
| 19:18.47 | kergoth | NetAmp: fbvncserver isnt in any of the feeds atm i dont think, i'm working on it. looks like the compile failed in my most recent build. hold up |
| 19:18.57 | NetAmp | oh :( |
| 19:19.02 | NetAmp | ok no problem |
| 19:19.19 | NetAmp | I just thought there was something wrong with my AQPkg :) |
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| 19:19.35 | frankps | hi |
| 19:19.39 | NetAmp | hiya |
| 19:20.18 | sig | treke whats the command to type in a terminal to start handcom word? |
| 19:20.18 | treke | sig: its someplace in the preferences |
| 19:20.29 | treke | dunno |
| 19:21.29 | benmeyer | http://www.controlap.com/ |
| 19:21.43 | treke | shoot. forgot my wireless card |
| 19:22.12 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: what's that? |
| 19:22.21 | Neo|Work | ah, never mind |
| 19:23.39 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.01 | numatrix | sig: I think it's HancomWord (it's the case that always gets me) |
| 19:24.46 | sig | numatrix: I tried that |
| 19:24.47 | sig | heh |
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| 19:25.03 | Com[Plex] | anyone here know how to program in java? |
| 19:25.30 | ZzzGogo | Twiun does |
| 19:25.36 | Com[Plex] | I am tryinhg to get this java app running on the z. its that game "queue" and it doesnt like OZ |
| 19:25.50 | Com[Plex] | IM going to flash back to the sharp rom to make sure it runs under qte |
| 19:26.32 | Com[Plex] | right after I back up my z. lol |
| 19:26.33 | Com[Plex] | dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/initrd.bin bs=1024 |
| 19:26.38 | Neo|Work | dude, oz uses qte. :P |
| 19:26.45 | Neo|Work | it's more like a different jvm |
| 19:26.52 | Com[Plex] | uh.. |
| 19:27.05 | Com[Plex] | what does qte stand for? |
| 19:27.07 | Neo|Work | qte = embedded qt, qpe = qtopia lib |
| 19:27.10 | sig | guys, check out http://sig.ath.cx read the first story that I posted |
| 19:27.15 | Neo|Work | qte is qt embedded really |
| 19:27.20 | JoseJX | Hey, does anyone know what solid lights on the Z when flashing mean? They stay lit forever, and when the system is reset there is no change. I can't flash to OZ because of this... |
| 19:27.31 | Com[Plex] | and your saying that oz uses qtopia embedded? |
| 19:27.37 | Neo|Work | yes of course |
| 19:27.46 | Neo|Work | no |
| 19:27.48 | Neo|Work | QT embedded |
| 19:27.51 | Neo|Work | and Qtopia fork |
| 19:27.58 | Neo|Work | OPIE = forked QPE / Qtopia |
| 19:28.06 | kergoth | benmeyer: grrr |
| 19:28.10 | Com[Plex] | so what I meant to say was "Im going to flsh back to the sharp rom to see if it works on the sharp rom" |
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| 19:28.20 | kergoth | benmeyer: you need to stop committing .pro files with DESTDIR commented out |
| 19:28.25 | kergoth | benmeyer: (opie cvs0 |
| 19:28.39 | treke | hehe |
| 19:28.43 | Com[Plex] | neo. you have lost me. |
| 19:28.50 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ |
| 19:28.51 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: and I said that the only actual difference would be Jeode and whatever jvm you run in OZ (if it's Jeode there should be no difference) |
| 19:29.06 | Com[Plex] | you think so? |
| 19:29.13 | numatrix | sig: 'ls /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/|grep -i word' ? |
| 19:29.17 | Com[Plex] | okay, you wanna vnc to my z and check it out? |
| 19:29.30 | treke | Com[Plex]: OPIE is essentially a new version of the software that is on the zaurus |
| 19:29.42 | sig | numatrix: I found it |
| 19:30.00 | johaBBa | Com[Plex]: what rom are you using? |
| 19:30.05 | Com[Plex] | oz3 |
| 19:30.14 | numatrix | Wow; another froot wannabe: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=766 |
| 19:30.20 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: no, I don't really _think_ so, I know so. :P |
| 19:30.24 | johaBBa | Com[Plex]: where did you get your vnc pkg??? |
| 19:30.39 | Neo|Work | unless java doesn't work at all on the OZ box |
| 19:30.45 | Neo|Work | my OZ doesn't have java so I wouldn't knoiw |
| 19:30.58 | Neo|Work | numatrix: popular concept |
| 19:31.01 | Com[Plex] | then neo: if Im using the jeode package from the sharp rom, under oz3, your sayinhg that you "know" it should work. confirm? |
| 19:31.28 | Neo|Work | pretty much yes |
| 19:31.37 | Neo|Work | If (and only if) other java apps works as expected |
| 19:31.44 | Neo|Work | if they don't well... :) then I don't know |
| 19:31.47 | Com[Plex] | well. IM saying that I AM using the jeode stuff from the sharp rom, under OZ3, and all other java apps wich I have tried DO work, and this does Not. I KNow this. because I have it in front of me and its nto working |
| 19:32.01 | Com[Plex] | so far, every other java app I have tried works. |
| 19:32.02 | Neo|Work | so I'm guessing it's a problem with that app specifically |
| 19:32.09 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 19:32.14 | Neo|Work | but I never done JAva on the Zaurus myself so I don't know the caveats |
| 19:32.19 | Com[Plex] | thats what i was saying earlier. |
| 19:32.23 | Neo|Work | Twiun would be much more qualified to help you |
| 19:32.30 | Com[Plex] | but you sayd you KNew so |
| 19:32.33 | Neo|Work | meaning, don't go reflash |
| 19:32.36 | Neo|Work | well yes |
| 19:32.42 | Twiun | I'm hearing my name ;-) |
| 19:32.43 | Neo|Work | Java is java and if the jvm works it works |
| 19:32.53 | Neo|Work | doesn't matter of it's OZ or std rom |
| 19:32.59 | sig | when i restart Qtopia, my zaurus freezes |
| 19:33.12 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: is the app available for download somewhere? I'll take a look |
| 19:33.24 | treke | maybe you shouldnt restart qtopia |
| 19:33.31 | Com[Plex] | yeah twiun. follow the links from killefiz |
| 19:33.33 | Com[Plex] | www.killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 19:33.36 | sig | treke how lame, |
| 19:33.40 | Com[Plex] | search queue |
| 19:33.51 | sig | hah |
| 19:34.15 | Com[Plex] | first of all, the runqueue file doesnt have its permission set right so you will have to chmod it |
| 19:34.16 | sig | they gave me a refund |
| 19:34.25 | sig | I'm happy about that |
| 19:34.35 | treke | now make sure you delete the software |
| 19:34.41 | sig | sure thing |
| 19:34.47 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: yeah, that seems to be common with packages from windows folks |
| 19:34.55 | benmeyer | http://embedded.kflog.org/ |
| 19:34.55 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 19:35.23 | Com[Plex] | im surprised you payed for it sig. you coudl easily download the source under the gpl and compile it yoursel |
| 19:35.25 | sig | wow, konqueror is nice on the Z |
| 19:35.25 | Com[Plex] | f |
| 19:35.43 | sig | Com[Plex]: zstyle and zstyle-liquid? |
| 19:35.46 | Neo|Work | picogui looks awesome |
| 19:35.54 | Com[Plex] | yeah. |
| 19:35.57 | treke | Com[Plex]: The loader isnt available |
| 19:36.03 | sig | treke thank you |
| 19:36.04 | sig | :) |
| 19:36.05 | Com[Plex] | uh.. you sure? |
| 19:36.08 | sig | yes |
| 19:36.13 | treke | Com[Plex]: pretty sure |
| 19:36.15 | sig | zstyle isn't abailiable |
| 19:36.17 | Com[Plex] | k.. |
| 19:36.18 | sig | liquid is |
| 19:36.35 | Com[Plex] | zstyle_src.tar.gz.tar |
| 19:36.54 | sig | hrrmmm |
| 19:36.56 | treke | Com[Plex]: Thats the sttings app |
| 19:37.03 | *** join/#zaurus paperclip (~joe@ip68-11-78-14.no.no.cox.net) |
| 19:37.03 | Com[Plex] | yeah? |
| 19:37.12 | sig | treke thats all you need |
| 19:37.21 | sig | zstyle and then the zstyle-liquid |
| 19:37.22 | paperclip | heya.. how are the buttons on the Z for gaming? |
| 19:37.29 | sig | paperclip: duh |
| 19:37.31 | sig | lol |
| 19:37.45 | Com[Plex] | paperclip. could be better. but they work |
| 19:37.48 | numatrix | paperclip: The main problem with it is that qtopia grabs the hardware buttons which makes it difficult to use them in programs. That's been worked around though... |
| 19:37.56 | treke | sig: nope, theres more to it |
| 19:38.13 | sig | treke well all i downloaded was zsytle and zstyle-liquid |
| 19:38.14 | paperclip | do ppl run non-qtopia stuff? |
| 19:38.17 | sig | 5 bucks each |
| 19:38.28 | sig | it worked except the hancom problem |
| 19:38.35 | numatrix | paperclip: I've beaten all the final fantasy gameboy games again on my Z (except FFL3, which I'm in now), so it's not too bad. :-) |
| 19:38.38 | treke | so disable the style for hancomword |
| 19:38.47 | paperclip | tried zmame? |
| 19:38.58 | sig | treke no, I buy an app, it better work fully for the z |
| 19:39.03 | sig | and it didn't |
| 19:39.04 | sig | so... |
| 19:39.05 | Com[Plex] | nyumatrix, what gb emulator do you use? and how fast is it? |
| 19:39.05 | benmeyer | with the resolution enhancments? |
| 19:39.07 | sig | hehe |
| 19:39.09 | Com[Plex] | is it choppy? |
| 19:39.14 | benmeyer | now that is sweet |
| 19:39.17 | numatrix | paperclip: Nope; it looks like there's a newer mame that's better. |
| 19:39.26 | benmeyer | should use that for the C700 with its big screen |
| 19:39.28 | paperclip | which? |
| 19:39.45 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: I switch; I think most of the time I use qtopiagnuboy, but I've used gbz a lot too (considering I ported it, I ought to have...). |
| 19:39.55 | treke | sig: If an app does something stupid, then it cannot be themed. Just like you cant theme the tkc apps or qtmail |
| 19:40.00 | Neo|Work | numatrix: actually I solved the grabbing part, exceptr cancel and menu |
| 19:40.01 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: Speed seems fine for me; especially for RPG type games. |
| 19:40.16 | numatrix | Neo|Work: Rewrite that SDL hack into something workable? |
| 19:40.17 | Com[Plex] | cool... |
| 19:40.23 | sig | treke my tkc apps wored fine |
| 19:40.27 | sig | I have the tkcbundle |
| 19:40.41 | ZzzGogo | tkcbundle?? wahts that? |
| 19:40.43 | Neo|Work | numatrix: I have a patch for SDL waiting that among other things adds working SDL_WM_GrabInput support, yes. :P |
| 19:40.50 | treke | ZzzGogo: a bundle of tkc apps |
| 19:40.51 | Neo|Work | just need to package it up |
| 19:41.04 | sig | I only use a few though |
| 19:41.06 | ZzzGogo | treke: still available? neverssen it... |
| 19:41.08 | numatrix | Yay! I'm happy. That SDL patch was one of my most anticipated hacks for it. |
| 19:41.09 | sig | the others are worthless |
| 19:41.11 | Neo|Work | it doesn't explicedtly grab bug it allows the user to |
| 19:41.19 | numatrix | Neo|Work: what else is in the queue? |
| 19:41.22 | sig | the free ones are better or do the same thing |
| 19:41.23 | sig | heh |
| 19:41.24 | Neo|Work | it also adds SDL_WM_IconifyWindow |
| 19:41.55 | sig | I use my z alot via vnc treke, its pretty handy |
| 19:42.16 | sig | and now that I got my scanner working in fbsd i will be scp'ing some pics to it |
| 19:42.19 | sig | bbiab |
| 19:42.29 | treke | sig: cool |
| 19:42.38 | paperclip | what is the other (new) mame called? |
| 19:42.44 | numatrix | Neo|Work: very nice. That will be very handy as well. |
| 19:43.42 | paperclip | ahh.. maxmame |
| 19:44.01 | numatrix | Neo|Work: It seems like it might be worth it to grab by default... SDL doesn't go in the background very well... |
| 19:45.24 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: ok... runs on mine... want to compare jeodes? |
| 19:45.37 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: well... runs after modifying the runqueue script |
| 19:46.10 | Com[Plex] | what modification did you have to make? just chmod? are you uner oz3 or sharp rom? |
| 19:47.02 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: I'm under OZ3, my own jeode.tar.gz package and I had to make 3 changes to the runscript |
| 19:47.24 | Twiun | mine looks like this now: |
| 19:47.29 | Com[Plex] | okay.. |
| 19:47.34 | Twiun | #!/bin/sh |
| 19:47.34 | Twiun | evm -XappName=runqueue -cp /opt/QtPalmtop/java/queue.jar Queue |
| 19:47.49 | Twiun | hard-coded the paths, but you get the idea |
| 19:48.09 | sig | can someone tell me the url to the sharp retail ROM feed? |
| 19:48.12 | sig | so i can add it |
| 19:48.18 | Neo|Work | numatrix: it will |
| 19:48.18 | sig | to my package manager |
| 19:48.28 | kergoth | sig: eh? |
| 19:48.33 | Com[Plex] | mine doesnt even have #!/bin/sh in it |
| 19:48.33 | Neo|Work | meaning it shouldn't do any drawing when it's in the background anymore |
| 19:48.36 | Neo|Work | I hope |
| 19:48.44 | sig | kergoth: online package dl's etc... |
| 19:48.45 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: I added that |
| 19:48.50 | Neo|Work | but yes, I can make it grab by default when setting up the VM |
| 19:48.59 | kergoth | sig: zauruszone.com/feed |
| 19:49.01 | Neo|Work | it did grab by defaylt before because I set it to be "fullscreen" |
| 19:49.10 | Neo|Work | however then you couldn't ungrab which I didn't like |
| 19:49.13 | sig | kergoth: all those apps work with sharp ROM?? |
| 19:49.19 | kergoth | sig: obvoiusly |
| 19:49.28 | kergoth | sig: in fact, that feed cannot be used with OZ safely |
| 19:49.31 | Com[Plex] | see, I ran this before, with no results.. ;evm -XappName=runqueue -cp /opt/QtPalmtop/java/queue.jar Queue |
| 19:49.35 | sig | kergoth: oh |
| 19:49.37 | sig | I see |
| 19:49.38 | sig | thanks |
| 19:49.46 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: then there must be something missing from jeode |
| 19:49.54 | NetAmp | kergoth: so I'd better remove it from AQPkg then? ZZ feed is in there by default |
| 19:49.57 | Com[Plex] | let me try this runqueue |
| 19:50.02 | kergoth | NetAmp: its there, but disabled, by default |
| 19:50.07 | kergoth | NetAmp: it no longer is btw :) |
| 19:50.09 | kergoth | NetAmp: yeah, you should remove it |
| 19:50.13 | Com[Plex] | if thats the case, Ill want to go down the list of jeode files that i have. |
| 19:50.19 | NetAmp | oh yeah I see, only sourceforge is enabled |
| 19:50.22 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: yeah, join #flood? |
| 19:51.26 | NetAmp | hm I like Konq |
| 19:51.33 | NetAmp | have a nice lunch kergoth |
| 19:52.10 | NetAmp | I also like the clipboard app in OZ, it's a nice improvement |
| 19:53.28 | ciao_linux | benmeyer: how many apps of the contest did you manage to get? |
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| 19:57.18 | benmeyer | ciao_linux: still working |
| 19:58.01 | ciao_linux | benmeyer: on? |
| 19:58.57 | benmeyer | on finding out how many of the apps were released |
| 19:59.36 | ciao_linux | oh... ok! :-) |
| 19:59.47 | ciao_linux | will there ever be a website with all the links? |
| 19:59.56 | benmeyer | no |
| 20:00.14 | benmeyer | well unless you count killefiz |
| 20:00.31 | ciao_linux | in killefiz they are not only from the contest... |
| 20:00.49 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:02.04 | Twiun | rm -rf * |
| 20:02.10 | Twiun | err... wrong window ;-) |
| 20:02.27 | benmeyer | man doing a bad sectior check on 80GB takes a long time |
| 20:02.34 | benmeyer | 34/199 done in 2 hours |
| 20:02.58 | Twiun | yeah... ext3? |
| 20:03.13 | benmeyer | blank |
| 20:03.18 | benmeyer | blank new drive |
| 20:03.21 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 20:03.41 | benmeyer | at the current rate it will be done around 1am |
| 20:03.42 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 20:03.47 | benmeyer | work on it tomarrow I guess |
| 20:06.59 | NetAmp | sig: so VNC works well for you? |
| 20:07.42 | Com[Plex] | vnc is working for me. the only problem I have with it is that the java service isnt turned on yet. <so I can connect to http://zaurusip:5800 |
| 20:07.45 | NetAmp | I still like the idea of xvnc ;) |
| 20:08.01 | NetAmp | Java service isn't on by default? |
| 20:08.10 | treke | NetAmp: good thing you can run both at the same time :) |
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| 20:08.23 | NetAmp | treke: yeah :D |
| 20:10.16 | Neo|Work | heh, the Orange MS Smartphone seems like it sucks. :P |
| 20:10.37 | Neo|Work | "In what people will call true Microsoft style, I've had the phone crash on me twice to the point where even holding the power button down will not allow it to turn off." |
| 20:11.43 | NetAmp | jeesh |
| 20:11.46 | Neo|Work | http://www.simonperry.org/ |
| 20:12.05 | Bongo | thats the cool thing about pdas tho |
| 20:12.10 | NetAmp | I've had that with my Z too, had to reset it |
| 20:12.11 | Bongo | u just take the battery out |
| 20:12.15 | Bongo | cant do that with a pc |
| 20:12.19 | NetAmp | or flip the switch ;) |
| 20:12.24 | Bongo | :-o |
| 20:12.43 | NetAmp | don't take the battery out |
| 20:12.51 | NetAmp | just flip the switch back and forth |
| 20:12.58 | NetAmp | Hey OZ experts |
| 20:13.04 | NetAmp | which Mediaplayer should I install? |
| 20:13.10 | treke | 2 |
| 20:13.21 | NetAmp | is that safe? ;-) |
| 20:13.26 | NetAmp | oh heck I'll just risk it :P |
| 20:13.28 | Bongo | nah |
| 20:13.33 | *** part/#zaurus paperclip (~joe@ip68-11-78-14.no.no.cox.net) |
| 20:13.38 | Bongo | itll blow yer Z/Ipac up |
| 20:13.59 | Bongo | whats a wife ? :D |
| 20:14.10 | treke | eh, how fast do you need it :) |
| 20:15.13 | NetAmp | treke: also need libmpeg3 for that? |
| 20:15.19 | treke | nope |
| 20:15.26 | NetAmp | great :) |
| 20:15.29 | Bongo | just get the codecs ipkg |
| 20:15.38 | Bongo | divx e.t.c :) |
| 20:15.50 | Bongo | anyone actually put a full movie on there Z? |
| 20:19.05 | benmeyer | yah |
| 20:19.08 | benmeyer | lotr |
| 20:19.10 | Com[Plex] | yeah. jsut compressed to hell tho |
| 20:19.18 | Bongo | how big was it ben |
| 20:19.21 | Neo|Work | you see, this is just something I don't get. What's the point? :P |
| 20:19.31 | Bongo | ehmm |
| 20:19.33 | Bongo | let me think |
| 20:19.39 | Bongo | so u can watch movies on the move |
| 20:19.52 | Neo|Work | I don't WANT to watch movies on that tiny screen |
| 20:19.55 | Neo|Work | not enjoyable imho |
| 20:20.13 | treke | Neo|Work: thats not the point :) |
| 20:20.15 | Neo|Work | I'd rather play games on the move. :) |
| 20:20.17 | Bongo | is it worth gettin a microdrive? |
| 20:20.18 | treke | the point is to be able to do it |
| 20:20.31 | NetAmp | argh mediaplayer2 isn't even in the feed, just a theme for it ;) |
| 20:20.44 | Neo|Work | that said, I'd love a portable dvd player |
| 20:20.44 | Bongo | get the ipk from killifez.de |
| 20:20.47 | Neo|Work | that would make sense |
| 20:20.53 | Bongo | and the cost doesnt |
| 20:21.01 | Neo|Work | saw one for like 350 bucks now or something |
| 20:21.03 | Neo|Work | new |
| 20:21.03 | Bongo | why have a dvd player that does one thing |
| 20:21.15 | NetAmp | heh |
| 20:21.16 | Neo|Work | because it does it well |
| 20:21.19 | Bongo | or get a z that does movies games word processing |
| 20:21.34 | treke | because Z doesnt do dvds |
| 20:21.39 | Neo|Work | two different things. I wouldnt use my zaurus for muxis either |
| 20:21.47 | Bongo | does any pda do dvds? |
| 20:21.51 | treke | Bongo: no |
| 20:21.53 | Neo|Work | not enough storage or battery |
| 20:21.54 | kergoth`lunch | ibot: tell NetAmp about op2 |
| 20:21.55 | Bongo | so shush |
| 20:22.01 | treke | Neo|Work: muxis? |
| 20:22.06 | treke | music? |
| 20:22.11 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 20:22.11 | NetAmp | kergoth: great ;) |
| 20:22.18 | Neo|Work | typo. :P |
| 20:22.21 | treke | ah, that rocks :) |
| 20:22.21 | NetAmp | I could've just asked ibot, dumb |
| 20:22.39 | Bongo | ibot: slap Neo|Work |
| 20:22.39 | | i haven't a clue, Bongo |
| 20:22.41 | Neo|Work | for the cost of a big CF or other storage you'd get an apple ipod with 20 GB disk |
| 20:22.48 | Neo|Work | that beats the living daylight of a zaurus with 1 GB for music |
| 20:22.59 | Bongo | but its apple!! |
| 20:23.20 | NetAmp | Apple rocks :P |
| 20:23.20 | Neo|Work | and for a bit over half the price you can get a portable dvd player |
| 20:23.26 | Bongo | oh yea |
| 20:23.33 | treke | Neo|Work: yeah, but then its another device :) |
| 20:23.35 | Bongo | and the portable player will fit in yer pocket |
| 20:23.37 | Bongo | i think not |
| 20:23.44 | Neo|Work | where you get movies with GOOD quality and, more importantly, can watch more than one or two movies. |
| 20:23.47 | treke | and the zaurus can do music decently |
| 20:23.56 | treke | as for movies, I agree. |
| 20:24.05 | Neo|Work | Bongo: why the fuck would I want a movie player in my pocket? I'd use it on for example flights |
| 20:24.15 | Bongo | pardon? |
| 20:24.21 | Bongo | is there a need for profanitys? |
| 20:24.21 | Neo|Work | it can do music yes, not saying it can't, just saying it isn't optimal for it |
| 20:24.26 | Neo|Work | it has just a few hours of battery life |
| 20:24.44 | Neo|Work | I mean you might barely be able to watch a full movie without recharging |
| 20:24.48 | Bongo | hmm |
| 20:24.53 | Bongo | stupid opie-reader |
| 20:24.57 | kergoth`lunch | i never use my Z for any type of media, other than showing off to people |
| 20:25.07 | Neo|Work | me neither |
| 20:25.10 | Bongo | ive installed opie reader |
| 20:25.15 | Bongo | and i cant find it :| |
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| 20:25.34 | Neo|Work | not saying people shouldn't use it for that,just saying I don't get the point. music I can buy, movies I can not |
| 20:25.36 | sig | NetAmp: yes vnc works very well for me |
| 20:25.42 | Neo|Work | at least not "full length" movies |
| 20:25.46 | Bongo | yes |
| 20:25.48 | NetAmp | sig: sweet ;) |
| 20:25.55 | Bongo | if u change the orgional size |
| 20:25.55 | sig | I use it all the time. |
| 20:25.58 | treke | Neo|Work: I'd agree there, movies are just a rather nifty little trick to show off :) |
| 20:26.01 | Bongo | how big is the zaurus screen? |
| 20:26.07 | NetAmp | 240x320 |
| 20:26.07 | Neo|Work | in inches? |
| 20:26.13 | NetAmp | well... |
| 20:26.16 | sig | heh |
| 20:26.24 | Bongo | have u recomressed the orginals into 240 320? |
| 20:26.30 | Bongo | theyll be much smaller |
| 20:26.31 | Neo|Work | you have to |
| 20:26.36 | treke | Bongo: It isnt the size of the file |
| 20:26.40 | Bongo | it is |
| 20:26.47 | Bongo | if its too big u cant fit it on... |
| 20:26.54 | treke | Bongo: You arent listening |
| 20:27.03 | treke | fitting a mull length movie on a cf card isnt hard |
| 20:27.06 | Neo|Work | a normal movie in decent resolution and ok quality is at least 7-800 MB |
| 20:27.19 | Bongo | get a mircodrive |
| 20:27.22 | Neo|Work | so naturally it needs to be smaller and worse quality |
| 20:27.24 | Bongo | =1 gig |
| 20:27.40 | Bongo | if u were on the bus yea |
| 20:27.43 | treke | The zaurus isnt well suited to watching the movie though, it has a tiny screen, crappy sound, bad battery life |
| 20:27.48 | Bongo | would u rather hump round a dvd player |
| 20:27.50 | Bongo | or a Z |
| 20:27.52 | Neo|Work | and Bongo, how many movies do you plan to watch with your microdrive enabled zaurus? |
| 20:27.53 | Neo|Work | 0.5? |
| 20:28.00 | Bongo | i dont have one yet |
| 20:28.07 | Neo|Work | Yes, I'd rather own a portable dvd player or a dvd playing laptop |
| 20:28.17 | treke | Neo|Work: Actually 100 meg divx doesnt look all that bad on the ipaq. |
| 20:28.34 | treke | aspect ratio was off, but the quality was decent |
| 20:28.47 | ToyKeeper | What happened to zaurus stuff at sf.net? |
| 20:28.56 | mark | ToyKeeper: it blew up |
| 20:28.56 | Neo|Work | Bongo: and why is that? |
| 20:29.18 | treke | I'd still far prefer a portable dvd player if I had to watch anything for a long period of time |
| 20:29.21 | ToyKeeper | Blew up? Abandoned due to political reasons? Just broken accidentally? |
| 20:29.26 | Neo|Work | I'm telling you that you'd probably not be able to watch a full movie on a Zaurus, especially (or 'at least') not if you have a microdrive |
| 20:29.38 | treke | ToyKeeper: VA shut it down |
| 20:29.39 | NetAmp | op2: "For your own sake don't type this all into a console on the Zaurus's little keyboard. SSH in and copy/paste from your web browser." |
| 20:29.42 | Bongo | neo |
| 20:29.43 | NetAmp | ghehehe |
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| 20:29.48 | Bongo | we ended that conversation |
| 20:30.06 | ToyKeeper | Why'd VA stuff it? (sorry to be out of date and curious, ...) |
| 20:30.09 | Bongo | is there any ebook readers for opie? |
| 20:30.11 | treke | Bongo: the device doesnt have the power to run a microdrive and play a divx for 2 hours :) |
| 20:30.11 | Com[Plex] | hey twiun |
| 20:30.15 | Neo|Work | Bongo: we did? You might have because you realized you couldn't win, but I sure didn't |
| 20:30.17 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ |
| 20:30.20 | Bongo | win |
| 20:30.28 | Bongo | i dont have convesations to winthem |
| 20:30.30 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: gday |
| 20:30.30 | Bongo | u might |
| 20:30.32 | Bongo | but i dont |
| 20:30.33 | Com[Plex] | what part of that do you think was messed up? do you think it was the #!bin/sh part? |
| 20:30.39 | treke | opie-reader is the best of the bunch |
| 20:30.44 | ToyKeeper | You could watch a full movie on the Z, if you encoded it down to the right resolution and reasonably low bitrate... |
| 20:30.47 | Neo|Work | Bongo: I'm telling you though, the Zaurus is not a good (full length) movie player |
| 20:30.52 | Bongo | ive tried it from feed treke it dont work |
| 20:30.56 | Neo|Work | if you try to use it as such you'll be disappointed |
| 20:31.03 | kergoth | Bongo: which feed? |
| 20:31.10 | Bongo | the oz one |
| 20:31.13 | kergoth | which one? |
| 20:31.14 | ToyKeeper | Heh, yeah. It's not a *good* movie player, but you could do it if you tried hard enough. |
| 20:31.19 | kergoth | oz has 4, last i checked |
| 20:31.57 | Bongo | is it any good? |
| 20:32.09 | treke | how well does the ir port work? |
| 20:32.14 | treke | pda ir usually sucks :) |
| 20:32.15 | Neo|Work | not very |
| 20:32.18 | Bongo | 3 metres |
| 20:32.19 | Neo|Work | i.e short range |
| 20:32.24 | johaBBa | not a lot of range |
| 20:32.26 | Neo|Work | Bongo: on the Zaurus? I doubt it |
| 20:32.33 | johaBBa | you might as well get up. |
| 20:32.42 | Neo|Work | it might depend on the device you try to control too I guess |
| 20:33.14 | treke | hehe, thats why man invented the coffee table. so you have a place to put remotes |
| 20:33.34 | Bongo | hmm |
| 20:33.39 | Neo|Work | http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?IrPort#i12 |
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| 20:34.07 | Bongo | but it is |
| 20:34.13 | Bongo | with remote |
| 20:34.22 | Microdim | what program burns .bin & .cue files? |
| 20:34.25 | Bongo | they software wouldnt have been made if there was no use |
| 20:34.25 | Bongo | nero |
| 20:34.40 | treke | Microdim: cdrdao |
| 20:35.05 | Bongo | hmm |
| 20:35.06 | Microdim | where do i get that? |
| 20:35.13 | Neo|Work | Bongo: you need to change your view of the world |
| 20:35.14 | Bongo | i wish i could get the net on me Z |
| 20:35.16 | treke | fooflw |
| 20:35.18 | Neo|Work | the range is too short and that's about it |
| 20:35.27 | Neo|Work | doesn't mean people wouldn't compile and make the remote app work |
| 20:35.45 | Bongo | do u have to go on about stuff? |
| 20:36.09 | Neo|Work | Bongo: stop pouting every time your view of things is scattered |
| 20:36.18 | Bongo | what? |
| 20:36.57 | kergoth | I like how when Bongo thinks he's done with teh conversation he automatically assumes that everyone else believes its over as well. |
| 20:37.01 | kergoth | rather amusing |
| 20:37.14 | Bongo | im not staying too listen to this |
| 20:37.19 | Bongo | goodbye |
| 20:37.20 | Neo|Work | every time I say something that refutes your believe (i.e Zaurus is NOT usable as a remote as-is (i.e without external IR) you say something like "we ended that discussion" or "must you go on about that" |
| 20:37.30 | Neo|Work | good, bongo left |
| 20:37.56 | Neo|Work | Bongo didn't seem like a very old person |
| 20:38.00 | tux_mike | kergoth: how come you didn't dump the busybox mount |
| 20:38.01 | Neo|Work | like 10-14 or so |
| 20:38.03 | kergoth | agreed |
| 20:38.11 | kergoth | tux_mike: forgot? :) |
| 20:38.13 | tux_mike | i still can't mount nfs :/ |
| 20:38.37 | kergoth | tux_mike: hmm. well, you can install util-linux-mount, but we should probably open a bug report against busybox regarding that |
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| 20:40.13 | BigBoss | seasoned greetings |
| 20:40.22 | mark | BigBoss: argh, too much pepper on that |
| 20:40.32 | kergoth | hey BigBoss |
| 20:40.39 | prpplague | BigBoss: with cajien pepper? |
| 20:40.41 | BigBoss | what's up in zaurus land? |
| 20:40.47 | BigBoss | the more spices the better |
| 20:40.54 | treke | the sky |
| 20:40.56 | BigBoss | I just had a bunch of jalepenos for lunch - yum |
| 20:40.58 | mark | BigBoss: sharp are dropping the Z from retail? hmm, what else... |
| 20:41.09 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: Sharp US is leaving or at least postponing retail / consumer zaurii |
| 20:41.13 | ToyKeeper | So... any way to get older OZ roms/kernels? |
| 20:41.27 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: ...and going enterprise with IBM etc. |
| 20:41.39 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: they're all available .. somewhere.. :) I believe they're all on the sourceforge mirrors in the file areas |
| 20:41.49 | ToyKeeper | Nevermind.. I found my old kernel. :) |
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| 20:42.19 | ToyKeeper | I put the current kernel together with my old root image, and it didn't like mounting mmc any more. |
| 20:42.27 | kergoth | odd |
| 20:42.50 | kergoth | considering the kernel shouldnt affect that. the sd module is the same.. |
| 20:44.36 | BigBoss | NeoTron: i knew that the 5600 wasn't targeted for retial |
| 20:44.47 | mark | BigBoss: we didn't |
| 20:44.52 | BigBoss | is there something that is supposed to fill the retail channel or is it to continue to be the 5500? |
| 20:45.10 | mark | BigBoss: no, seems like they're dropping out of retail altogether in the US |
| 20:45.14 | Neo|Work | right |
| 20:45.21 | NetAmp | whoa |
| 20:45.24 | BigBoss | personally I think given the number of work arounds for the 5600 that it's good it isn't in retail |
| 20:45.24 | Neo|Work | the 5500 won't exist in retail either. no zaurus will |
| 20:45.40 | Neo|Work | except perhaps some channels like amazon etc |
| 20:45.45 | NetAmp | I don't think adding Wireless by default will attract European consumers either |
| 20:45.51 | NetAmp | at least here it's way too expensive |
| 20:46.29 | BigBoss | the C-500 is up for debate for a US release. I really think they should release the A-300 in the US for like $200 or so to compete with the new Palm |
| 20:46.30 | ToyKeeper | I'm not sure if it's a software or hardware problem. Hopefully this reflash will fix it. |
| 20:46.40 | ToyKeeper | The previous flash ended up blinking at the end. |
| 20:46.41 | BigBoss | the C-500 is supposed to be out in Japan this month |
| 20:46.58 | mark | BigBoss: which is the c-500? i thougth that was the japanese 5600? evidently not.. |
| 20:47.24 | BigBoss | no, it's that really cool clamshell one |
| 20:47.37 | mark | thought that was the c-700.. :/ |
| 20:47.38 | BigBoss | i'm supposed to get that and the 5600 soon |
| 20:47.43 | BigBoss | hmm, let me check my notes |
| 20:47.52 | BigBoss | it was the C5 originally |
| 20:48.07 | BigBoss | oops, you are right |
| 20:48.09 | BigBoss | c-700 |
| 20:48.26 | mark | BigBoss: jason said the c-700 'isnt suited for the us market' |
| 20:48.40 | BigBoss | why? well, I'll let you know after I get mine |
| 20:48.56 | mark | BigBoss: he also said only 4 in the world exist |
| 20:48.59 | kergoth | BigBoss: i believe it was primarily due to the low battery life (per jasons comment) |
| 20:49.01 | mark | BigBoss: too small a battery life |
| 20:49.12 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: it's the C-700 not 500 |
| 20:49.19 | Neo|Work | doh |
| 20:49.20 | BigBoss | yea, last I heard it was pretty pathetic (battery life) |
| 20:49.21 | Neo|Work | I need to read it all |
| 20:49.22 | Neo|Work | bah |
| 20:49.31 | treke | why would the japanese be more forgiving of battery life? |
| 20:49.37 | mark | treke: god knows |
| 20:49.41 | BigBoss | the c-700 according to Dr. Uno is going to be released in japan this month, before the 5600 is released |
| 20:49.45 | BigBoss | which surprised me frankly |
| 20:50.20 | mark | BigBoss: this month? seems a bit premature if there are only 4 prototyped models in existance.. |
| 20:50.23 | chouimat | *yawn* |
| 20:50.32 | mark | chouimat: cover ur mouth! |
| 20:50.53 | BigBoss | yea, sounds strange |
| 20:51.01 | treke | a shame qtopia isnt going further, I rather like it |
| 20:51.22 | BigBoss | nope, he said this month and the 5600 next month |
| 20:51.25 | NetAmp | Hey can we emulate PocketPC yet? :P |
| 20:51.26 | numatrix | BigBoss: I had heard it had horrible life as well, but one of the articles that came out gave some hard numbers and they seemed very good, actually. Comparible to the 5500... |
| 20:51.29 | NetAmp | I see a cool game ;-) |
| 20:51.52 | treke | at least there is always opie :) |
| 20:51.57 | mark | BigBoss: seems odd |
| 20:51.59 | BigBoss | numatrix: hell if it's got a few hours in it then great |
| 20:52.08 | NetAmp | why isn't qtopia going further? |
| 20:52.35 | numatrix | BigBoss: I'd just get an external battery pack anyway, I'd rather have it sooner than later... ;-) |
| 20:52.45 | treke | NetAmp: Well in the sense that the only retail device that runs it is being taken off the retail market |
| 20:52.48 | mark | hmm will employees who use the IBM thingy be able to install their own software? :) |
| 20:52.58 | NetAmp | treke: yeah... true :'( |
| 20:53.04 | NetAmp | stupid retail market |
| 20:53.10 | numatrix | huh? The zaurus is leaving the retail market? When did that happen? |
| 20:53.13 | NetAmp | or stupid customers :P |
| 20:53.22 | NetAmp | it's gonna happen sadly |
| 20:53.26 | treke | numatrix: way to miss the conversation |
| 20:53.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:53.37 | treke | numatrix: read the last five minutes worth the typing |
| 20:53.50 | numatrix | yeah, I'm scrolling back now. figured I missed something... |
| 20:54.19 | Neo|Work | treke: ... in the US.. it will still be retail in japan and europe |
| 20:54.37 | Neo|Work | and that said, there are other devices with qtopia and/or embedded qt |
| 20:54.41 | ToyKeeper | Heh. Reflashed and now I've got everything happy again.. using a kernel from OZ 2.9.5.5 or somesuch. |
| 20:54.47 | Neo|Work | korean and stuff though that might not come here |
| 20:55.00 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: odd |
| 20:55.00 | treke | eh, europe and japan dont count :) |
| 20:55.05 | ToyKeeper | Yeek! My touchscreen got decalibrated... |
| 20:55.24 | NetAmp | WHOA! I LOVE IT! |
| 20:55.33 | NetAmp | Opie Player 2 is sweeeeeet :D |
| 20:55.49 | NetAmp | DivX Matrix trailer with almost no framedrops |
| 20:55.52 | NetAmp | wheeeeeee |
| 20:55.58 | NetAmp | who would have thought that ;) |
| 20:56.14 | NetAmp | thanks guys for all that good work ;) |
| 20:56.53 | ljp_work | thank xine guys too |
| 20:57.03 | ljp_work | and its being improved even more |
| 20:57.10 | NetAmp | :D |
| 20:57.17 | NetAmp | "yeah baby yeah!" |
| 20:57.35 | ljp_work | next release should use alot less memory |
| 20:57.49 | ljp_work | in the gui and xine |
| 20:57.55 | numatrix | Well, that sucks. :-( (having read the last five minutes of chat...) |
| 20:58.45 | numatrix | So Sharp plans on moving the zaurii to other markets? What other markets? Or are they planning on eliminating it entirely? /me weeps |
| 20:58.54 | ToyKeeper | Awesome. I have working MMC, CF, X11, and audio jack again. :) |
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| 20:59.50 | NetAmp | ToyKeeper: way cool ;) |
| 21:00.06 | ToyKeeper | (sharp repairs fixed the audio jack for me) |
| 21:00.06 | chouimat | BigBoss: any news |
| 21:06.44 | Neo|Work | http://www.broadq.com/qcasttuner/ <--- ok, this I must buy |
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| 21:18.50 | sjohnson | ToyKeeper: Are your running X under OZ? |
| 21:21.40 | ToyKeeper | Yeah, running X under OZ. |
| 21:22.00 | ToyKeeper | Well, sort of OZ. It's the OZ kernel and a little other OZ stuff, but mosty packages from fam-unstable. |
| 21:22.53 | sjohnson | ToyKeeper: Are you using the ts daemon? From the orginal X package, |
| 21:23.33 | ToyKeeper | I'm using ztsd, but I forget which one... |
| 21:23.35 | kergoth | sjohnson: 'original X package'? |
| 21:23.53 | ToyKeeper | I tried a few different X-for-Z builds, and none worked incredibly well. |
| 21:23.59 | TheMasterMind1 | use tinyx from unstable oz feed |
| 21:24.00 | TheMasterMind1 | it works |
| 21:24.07 | ToyKeeper | But I at least managed to get one of them to resume consistently. |
| 21:24.08 | sjohnson | kergoth: Yes. The X package that somebody from Lineo build for the Sharp ROM image |
| 21:24.14 | kergoth | sjohnson: thats quite old |
| 21:24.17 | TheMasterMind1 | only use tinyx from the oz feeds! |
| 21:24.20 | TheMasterMind1 | don't use other x packages |
| 21:24.20 | kergoth | sjohnson: you'd be best off using tinyx from the unstable feed |
| 21:24.22 | frankps | Any one that recently have heard anything of when MacOS X support is coming for Zaurus? |
| 21:24.22 | ToyKeeper | I tried a recent tinyx someone built, and it would freeze on resume half the time. :( |
| 21:24.23 | kergoth | yeah, that |
| 21:24.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:24.31 | TheMasterMind1 | ToyKeeper: how recent |
| 21:24.40 | ToyKeeper | Probably 2 months ago now. :) |
| 21:24.44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 21:24.47 | TheMasterMind1 | i updated ours last night |
| 21:24.50 | TheMasterMind1 | it should be working |
| 21:25.39 | ToyKeeper | Any support for backlight control, xrandr extension, uh.. dang. It's been a while. I forgot what else. |
| 21:25.44 | sjohnson | I hadn't been keeping you with the OZ X stuff. I'm glad somebody's been working on it. |
| 21:25.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ToyKeeper: eh? nope.. |
| 21:25.58 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:26.06 | TheMasterMind1 | its just a build of x4.1 |
| 21:26.09 | NetAmp | How's that X-VNC gonna work anyway |
| 21:26.17 | NetAmp | would you start X with a desktop icon or so |
| 21:26.18 | kergoth | NetAmp: ? |
| 21:26.26 | kergoth | you mean qtopia-x, the Xvnc package? |
| 21:26.27 | ToyKeeper | Does it still suspend if you hold down right, space, or ... the, .. menu? button? |
| 21:26.38 | TheMasterMind1 | ToyKeeper: no clue, never tried. |
| 21:26.38 | NetAmp | well that thing you said about connecting pebblestone VNC to localhost |
| 21:26.50 | treke | keypebble |
| 21:26.52 | NetAmp | oh yeah |
| 21:26.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:27.00 | TheMasterMind1 | ToyKeeper: :) |
| 21:27.05 | treke | man I hate that name :) |
| 21:27.20 | NetAmp | heh all those names and I'm not even 50 yet (not by long) so i should remember them :P |
| 21:27.46 | ToyKeeper | TheMasterMind1: Does that mean you tried it and it suspended? |
| 21:28.07 | ToyKeeper | It bugs me if I'm trying to scroll right and the unit shuts down unexpectedly... |
| 21:28.14 | TheMasterMind1 | ToyKeeper: no i didn't know how to suspend so i didn't try |
| 21:28.23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hm, udhcpc in unstable is also borken |
| 21:28.29 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe because of the fork issue |
| 21:28.45 | *** part/#zaurus Com[Plex] (ANGRYMAN@65.217.160.228) |
| 21:28.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: upgrade your busybox from unstable within the past couple hours? |
| 21:28.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it was missing some required scripts |
| 21:28.52 | *** join/#zaurus Com[Plex] (ANGRYMAN@65.217.160.228) |
| 21:28.59 | kergoth | hey Com[Plex] |
| 21:29.09 | kergoth | god i need more caffeine |
| 21:29.13 | Com[Plex] | hiya :> |
| 21:29.26 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. I suppose I could finally get off my ass and start trying to fix some X4Z problems.. or I could finally write that pygtk database frontend I wanted... |
| 21:29.45 | Com[Plex] | I got queue running. - well. twiun did. I figuerd out some problems with the installdir.sh file too. made some changes to that. |
| 21:29.49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what was? what scripts |
| 21:30.04 | Com[Plex] | it wasnt compensating for programs who had hardcoded the path to /home |
| 21:30.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: default.renew, default.bound, etc in /usr/share/udhcpc/ |
| 21:30.14 | TheMasterMind1 | you don't need those.. |
| 21:30.16 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. |
| 21:30.25 | TheMasterMind1 | the one simple.script emulates all of em |
| 21:30.26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: apparently udhcp dumps messages about not being able to find them |
| 21:30.28 | TheMasterMind1 | or should anyway |
| 21:30.39 | TheMasterMind1 | fine, we'll use those i guess |
| 21:30.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: feel free to dig into it |
| 21:30.42 | TheMasterMind1 | bk push those changes |
| 21:30.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont matter to me |
| 21:30.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i've got bigger fish to fry (our fork issue) |
| 21:30.54 | BigBoss | chouimat: I'm getting tickets for Symphony X and I also get to interview them |
| 21:31.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, actually, udhcpc is working.. its fine without those scripts. who said it was spitting errors? |
| 21:31.37 | chouimat | BigBoss: cool |
| 21:31.54 | Com[Plex] | now iM gonna throw the sharp rom on here and test it |
| 21:32.11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: xentac reported failures with the previous package that didnt include them |
| 21:32.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: or something |
| 21:32.15 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: cool, jeodecreator upgrade soon then? |
| 21:32.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:32.23 | Com[Plex] | hehe. yeah.. lol |
| 21:32.29 | Com[Plex] | another jc upgrade. lol |
| 21:32.39 | Com[Plex] | god, I must be the laughing stock. |
| 21:32.42 | ToyKeeper | I tried the new sharp rom a couple weeks ago... after 5 minutes, I decided it was just as boring as the old one. |
| 21:32.46 | TheMasterMind1 | nah, its appriciated muchly |
| 21:32.57 | TheMasterMind1 | its better than having a borken ripper |
| 21:33.03 | TheMasterMind1 | ToyKeeper: new? |
| 21:33.07 | Com[Plex] | true.. |
| 21:33.11 | ToyKeeper | Well, newer than what my Z came with. :) |
| 21:33.15 | TheMasterMind1 | ahok |
| 21:33.39 | Com[Plex] | ooh.. guiness. |
| 21:33.44 | BigBoss | yummy |
| 21:33.57 | prpplague | guiness or guinness? |
| 21:34.06 | Com[Plex] | guinness |
| 21:34.10 | prpplague | ibot: guinness |
| 21:34.11 | | ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 21:34.22 | Com[Plex] | its not bitter ibot |
| 21:34.33 | BigBoss | bitter? BITTER??? it's mothers milk for gods sake |
| 21:34.38 | Com[Plex] | its sweet. |
| 21:34.47 | Com[Plex] | the nitrous in the widget makes it sweet. |
| 21:34.50 | prpplague | it the nice hops finish |
| 21:36.38 | Com[Plex] | hahah, I used to date a girl who drank as much guiness as I do. |
| 21:37.04 | Com[Plex] | I broke up with her because of it. as a matter of fact. I didnt want to share every time I got a rack. lol |
| 21:37.10 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:37.19 | BigBoss | hmmm |
| 21:37.23 | Com[Plex] | four for me! none for you! |
| 21:37.35 | Com[Plex] | nah.. I wish it was true, but its not. |
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| 21:37.48 | Com[Plex] | ive never met a girl who could put away as much guinness as I do. |
| 21:37.52 | kergoth | hey spencer_Z |
| 21:37.52 | spencer_Z | hi |
| 21:38.02 | BigBoss | hey spencer |
| 21:38.04 | treke | what client is spencer_Z runnin there? |
| 21:38.12 | spencer_Z | java client |
| 21:38.27 | spencer_Z | see ya |
| 21:38.32 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:38.34 | kergoth | okay.. |
| 21:38.39 | Com[Plex] | these things go fast |
| 21:38.48 | Com[Plex] | like drinking a tall glass of water |
| 21:39.06 | treke | curses doesnt take too long |
| 21:39.19 | kergoth | curses the verb, not the library |
| 21:39.22 | kergoth | ! |
| 21:39.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:39.24 | sandman_ | kergoth: Do you know what exactly happens when you currently run HancomWord on OZ ? |
| 21:39.38 | sandman_ | I tried it on the iPAQ and it crashes instantly |
| 21:39.41 | kergoth | sandman_: not off the top of my head, i've never actually tried it. just going on reports from others |
| 21:40.13 | Com[Plex] | shouldnt we be able to grab the libqte from the sharp rom like we did with jeode? :> |
| 21:40.17 | sandman_ | seems like I have to reflash the Z to OZ again ... |
| 21:40.23 | Com[Plex] | or rather, like Im stll trying to do with jeode.... |
| 21:40.43 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yeah, but thats rather hackish. the real solution is to preload just the piece thats necessary |
| 21:40.47 | Com[Plex] | sandman, do you mean to qpe? |
| 21:41.01 | kergoth | sandman_: 'crashes instantly' .. does it segfault or..? |
| 21:41.16 | Com[Plex] | I see that segfault a lot in oz.. |
| 21:41.22 | kergoth | what segfault? |
| 21:41.27 | sandman_ | kergoth: Yep .. immediatly after ld.so gives control to the programm |
| 21:41.31 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: it loads up and dies. straces etc show it to be a possible problem with fonts |
| 21:41.32 | Com[Plex] | doesnt seem to be that big of a deal. jsut every time I quit an app. the konsole shows a segfault.. |
| 21:41.39 | kergoth | sandman_: fun. done a backtrace yet? |
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| 21:41.55 | Com[Plex] | backtrace? how do you do a backtrace? |
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| 21:42.15 | sandman_ | kergoth: You know what pb_ and me did yesterday to get neocal running with glibc 2.3 ?? |
| 21:42.19 | BigBoss | isn't that what they do in prison? |
| 21:42.21 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you run it in gdb and use gdb's backtrace function |
| 21:42.21 | boulez | so it's official...that sale is definitely dead.... |
| 21:42.24 | kergoth | sandman_: whats that? |
| 21:42.31 | sandman_ | 3 hours of debegging, disassembling, etc.. |
| 21:42.36 | BigBoss | boulez: what sale? |
| 21:42.39 | kergoth | ack |
| 21:42.46 | sandman_ | neocal ? -- calcualtor -> handango.com |
| 21:42.56 | boulez | lol |
| 21:43.05 | kergoth | sandman_: what did the problem turn out to be? |
| 21:43.06 | boulez | BigBoss: the zaurusvip sale |
| 21:43.18 | BigBoss | ah, they are done with it? |
| 21:43.22 | BigBoss | must have run out of unts |
| 21:43.24 | Com[Plex] | seems so |
| 21:43.25 | boulez | Well, it's not 249 anymore |
| 21:43.52 | boulez | Cheapest I've seen on the web anywhere is $350 |
| 21:44.18 | sandman_ | kergoth: symbol __gmon_start__ is missing for programms compiled with old tcs, which are using shared libs compiled with new tcs (libjepg in this case) |
| 21:44.44 | kergoth | sandman_: ahh. 'tcs'? |
| 21:44.52 | TheMasterMind1 | toolchains |
| 21:45.03 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:45.04 | TheMasterMind1 | i wonder if that's what causes opera to die |
| 21:45.05 | kergoth | eheh |
| 21:45.08 | TheMasterMind1 | probably not |
| 21:45.13 | sandman_ | kergoth: this leads to crashes in ld.so, which is very hard to debug |
| 21:45.22 | kergoth | sandman_: crashes -in- ld.so? ew |
| 21:45.44 | sandman_ | kergoth: This is probably your opera crash |
| 21:45.50 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, i feel and oz3.1 release coming up.. |
| 21:45.55 | TheMasterMind1 | s/and/an/ |
| 21:45.58 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: how'd you fix it? |
| 21:46.13 | sandman_ | define __gmon_start__ in our preload library |
| 21:46.25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, ok. how would i do that to test out opera? |
| 21:46.52 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: You need a libqpe, launcher and libpreload from CVS |
| 21:47.01 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, so just build from cvs |
| 21:47.02 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 21:47.24 | TheMasterMind1 | what's libpreload? is that part of opie? |
| 21:47.29 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:47.55 | TheMasterMind1 | that'd be awesome if opera started working |
| 21:47.57 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: it's a hack to get all that misbehaving, closed source apps to work ;) |
| 21:47.58 | TheMasterMind1 | lots of happy people |
| 21:48.09 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: as long as it works :) |
| 21:48.37 | TheMasterMind1 | if we can get this opie-alarm thing fixed and a couple other of these small issues i think oz3.1 will be ready |
| 21:48.47 | TheMasterMind1 | eh kergoth? |
| 21:49.00 | kergoth | most likely. there wont be many outstanding issues at that point |
| 21:49.01 | sandman_ | kergoth: After the debugging yesterday me iPAQ ended up with a OZ glibc 2.3.1 installed, which ipkg refuses to "downgrade" to the familiar glibc ;) |
| 21:49.03 | TheMasterMind1 | need a ppp module for networksetup too |
| 21:49.09 | kergoth | sandman_: hah |
| 21:49.34 | sandman_ | but it works :) |
| 21:49.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: how's ipkg looking atm? it solid enough for a release? |
| 21:50.05 | kergoth | sandman_: familiar unstable using glibc 2.3 yet? |
| 21:50.20 | sandman_ | yeah pb_ just built the ipk |
| 21:50.29 | TheMasterMind1 | no, ipkg is total shit. i discovered that dependencies don't actually work.. |
| 21:50.33 | kergoth | oh nice |
| 21:50.34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ack |
| 21:50.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: that'll hold up our release, i'd say :) |
| 21:50.42 | TheMasterMind1 | or they only work sometimes |
| 21:50.48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, but its nothing new |
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| 21:50.55 | sandman_ | That's why I asked for a 2.95 tc with prelink :) |
| 21:50.55 | kergoth | sandman_: is familiar actually using their autobuilder yet, or is it still manual? |
| 21:50.57 | TheMasterMind1 | its always been like that, now its a little better |
| 21:51.01 | TheMasterMind1 | with the better dest handling |
| 21:51.10 | sandman_ | kergoth: IMHO manual |
| 21:51.16 | kergoth | sandman_: ack |
| 21:51.32 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch, manual building.. |
| 21:51.37 | sandman_ | auto == ( pb_ || jamey ) |
| 21:51.46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: when did you last build opie ? |
| 21:52.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: last night, i think |
| 21:52.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: should be able to test opera on the stuff i nthe unstable feed |
| 21:53.05 | kergoth | sandman_: frankly, i'm amazed familiar has gotten as far as it has with that little automation.. what a waste of time |
| 21:53.17 | sandman_ | kergoth: ever ran a Opie app with LD_DEBUG=all ? -- If you do it, you know why prelinking might help :) |
| 21:53.26 | kergoth | sandman_: hah, i'll have to try that :) |
| 21:53.33 | kergoth | sandman_: speaking of prelink, has anyone tried it on ARM yet? |
| 21:53.40 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, good. what ipks contains libopie, libpreload and that other thing i needed? |
| 21:53.49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: opie-base, opie-taskbar |
| 21:53.57 | TheMasterMind1 | and libopie* ? |
| 21:54.02 | kergoth | yaeh |
| 21:54.08 | kergoth | i think |
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| 21:54.09 | kergoth | ehh :) |
| 21:54.18 | treke | libopie is in opie-base, isntit? |
| 21:54.24 | kergoth | nope, its in libopie |
| 21:54.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:54.29 | sandman_ | kergoth: hancom bt: |
| 21:54.29 | sandman_ | (gdb) bt |
| 21:54.29 | sandman_ | #0 0x0007dffc in check_rom () |
| 21:54.29 | sandman_ | #1 0x0007e07c in main () |
| 21:54.29 | sandman_ | #2 0x405aee70 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 21:54.42 | sandman_ | check_rom doesn't like iPAQs ;) |
| 21:54.47 | TheMasterMind1 | what about the Zs |
| 21:54.48 | kergoth | sandman_: check_rom? lol |
| 21:55.00 | treke | odd, that got to be a recent development |
| 21:55.14 | sandman_ | Where's the ROM version stored on the Z ? |
| 21:55.35 | sandman_ | treke: I got the ipk from the 2.38G CD |
| 21:55.44 | kergoth | sandman_: it isnt stored anywhere really. though intellisync uses /home/root/systeminfo/linkver for that |
| 21:56.05 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: libopie in unstable is from 11/30 |
| 21:56.07 | kergoth | sandman_: could be hancom checks that file. echo '1.1' > /home/root/systeminfo/linkver |
| 21:56.08 | sandman_ | What does linkver it contain ? |
| 21:56.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:56.13 | sandman_ | k |
| 21:56.32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: the packages file says so anyway |
| 21:56.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hmm, okay i'll rebuild from today's cvs then :) |
| 21:56.50 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:56.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: as soon as libc6 finishes compiling anyway |
| 21:57.03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm hoping this libc rebuild will fix the odd fork behavior |
| 21:57.04 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. i want someway to only update changed opie ipks |
| 21:57.07 | TheMasterMind1 | that would be so nice |
| 21:57.56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: and what's this securetty thing? |
| 21:57.59 | TheMasterMind1 | with busybox |
| 21:58.09 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: manual building helps in this case :) |
| 21:58.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: busybox is defaulting to refusing login when securetty doesnt exist |
| 21:58.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it should be returning 1 as the default case, not 0. i reported the problem to andersee already |
| 21:58.42 | TheMasterMind1 | k cokk |
| 21:58.44 | TheMasterMind1 | ok cool |
| 21:58.52 | sandman_ | kergoth: linkver didn't help .. now trying to disassemble :( |
| 21:59.02 | kergoth | sandman_: have fun |
| 22:05.43 | NetAmp | wheeee |
| 22:05.46 | NetAmp | this is cool |
| 22:05.49 | NetAmp | cool background |
| 22:05.49 | NetAmp | http://131.152.105.154/~opielook/entry.php?id=32 |
| 22:05.57 | kergoth | NetAmp: fbvncserver is in unstable |
| 22:06.23 | NetAmp | kergoth: thanks! I'll try it |
| 22:06.28 | kergoth | np |
| 22:06.31 | NetAmp | :-) |
| 22:06.40 | kergoth | dont forget to install, reboot, then immediately calibrate before doing anything else with the touchscreen |
| 22:06.59 | kergoth | NetAmp: that background was dont by hardwire/whardier, the guy who did pingizauru :) |
| 22:07.07 | kergoth | s/dont/done/ |
| 22:07.09 | NetAmp | sweeeeeeet :D |
| 22:07.21 | NetAmp | I thought so |
| 22:07.26 | NetAmp | shane@bogomip.com looked familiar ;) |
| 22:07.31 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:07.38 | NetAmp | PNG is so cool :D |
| 22:08.07 | sandman_ | kergoth: sysinfo on the Sharp ROM displays 2.38 .. where does it get this number from ? |
| 22:08.31 | kergoth | sandman_: good question :) |
| 22:08.39 | kergoth | sandman_: that sysinfo code was never released :) |
| 22:08.42 | kergoth | strace it? :P |
| 22:08.56 | sandman_ | this check_rom gets called with a value that is used as an index into some kind of lookup table |
| 22:09.10 | *** part/#zaurus JasonNJ (~perlowj@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com) |
| 22:09.19 | sandman_ | And this index is too big on ipaqs |
| 22:09.37 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:10.09 | kergoth | sandman_: a number of bits of information are stored in certain locations in flash on the Zaurus. including Z model #. It could be that there is a place where rom version is stored |
| 22:11.11 | sandman_ | Hmm .. let's try to override check_rom with a preload ;) ... |
| 22:11.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:11.34 | kergoth | you're getting altogether too fond of preloading ;) |
| 22:12.37 | sandman_ | kergoth: give me the source and I'll go back to normal patching ... |
| 22:12.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:13.58 | ljp_work | sandmans solution to nonopen source: libpreload |
| 22:13.59 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* |
| 22:14.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:14.25 | Com[Plex] | getting insufficient disk space errors on this stupid thing when trying ti create the jeode stuff |
| 22:14.26 | ljp_work | what?! msworks doesnt run on linux? libpreload!! |
| 22:15.15 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:15.40 | Com[Plex] | ;p; |
| 22:18.01 | Neo|Work | haha: http://mitglied.lycos.de/gsmsucker/pussy_close-up.jpg |
| 22:18.09 | Neo|Work | (the URL is safe despite the name of the file) |
| 22:18.16 | sandman_ | ljp_work: I hate preload actually (you don't have any type checking and most of the time you only guess what a function could do) |
| 22:18.31 | ljp_work | hehe true. |
| 22:18.36 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i dont trust urls from you ever since the spiderman escapades |
| 22:18.41 | sandman_ | But it's better then having non working apps |
| 22:18.46 | NetAmp | err |
| 22:18.47 | ljp_work | beats grabbing a decompiler and hexeditor, tho |
| 22:18.55 | NetAmp | kergoth: how do i actually callibrate? |
| 22:19.03 | kergoth | NetAmp: tap upper left, then lower right |
| 22:19.04 | Neo|Work | kergoth: trust me, it's entirely safe |
| 22:19.06 | Neo|Work | and funny |
| 22:19.09 | kergoth | NetAmp: as the first thing you do with the touchscreen |
| 22:19.25 | kergoth | Neo|Work: lol |
| 22:19.30 | kergoth | Neo|Work: nice angle |
| 22:19.36 | Com[Plex] | hey kerg, how can I "ar" these files instead of targzing the stupid tar.gz? |
| 22:19.36 | Neo|Work | told ya |
| 22:19.37 | Com[Plex] | s |
| 22:19.44 | NetAmp | kergoth: OK but it's not supposed to show anything? |
| 22:19.45 | Neo|Work | to sum it up, it's a cat |
| 22:19.51 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: use a more recent ipkg-build |
| 22:19.52 | kergoth | NetAmp: right |
| 22:20.05 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: latest ipkg-build builds new format ipks by default, you use -c to build old style |
| 22:20.13 | NetAmp | hm ok which client is best to use from Windows? |
| 22:20.22 | kergoth | NetAmp: tightvnc.com |
| 22:20.38 | Com[Plex] | kerg.. this is gonna happen on the z. under sharp rom.. when building the jeode thing |
| 22:20.39 | NetAmp | :-) |
| 22:20.57 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: use ar manually then |
| 22:21.02 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i assume it builds the ipk manually? |
| 22:21.13 | Com[Plex] | ar.. is ar native to sharp rom? |
| 22:21.19 | kergoth | dunno |
| 22:21.23 | kergoth | check :) |
| 22:22.10 | Com[Plex] | tar -c ./control.tar.gz ./data.tar.gz ./debian-binary > $appName"_"$appVersion"_arm.tar" |
| 22:22.11 | Com[Plex] | gzip $location/$appName"_"$appVersion"_arm.tar" |
| 22:22.24 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:22.29 | Com[Plex] | just a sec. |
| 22:22.32 | kergoth | yeah, remove the gzip line, change tar -c to ar c (afaicr) |
| 22:22.46 | Com[Plex] | thats the command that is run from the postinst. |
| 22:22.50 | Com[Plex] | okay, Ill try that |
| 22:25.13 | NetAmp | euh... |
| 22:25.20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: we also have that issue with opie-backup calling tar with a nonexistant-in-busybox option |
| 22:25.23 | chouimat | hmmm weird bug |
| 22:25.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: open a bug in mantis :) |
| 22:25.41 | NetAmp | guess I didn't do it right, I started VNC and it works, but doesn't accept input |
| 22:27.15 | NetAmp | did get errors during install |
| 22:27.16 | NetAmp | ERROR: fbvncserver.postinst returned 2 |
| 22:28.02 | NetAmp | (and some failed links) |
| 22:28.02 | Com[Plex] | ar exsists. |
| 22:28.17 | kergoth | NetAmp: harmless regarding the isntall stuff |
| 22:28.22 | kergoth | NetAmp: is tssimd running? |
| 22:28.37 | Com[Plex] | Im using a 5000d, with the 26mb ram 6mb storage rom. theres not enough space to do this with tar.gz |
| 22:28.44 | Com[Plex] | how much more efficient is ar? |
| 22:28.58 | NetAmp | kergoth: how do I check? SysInfo? |
| 22:29.04 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ? |
| 22:29.14 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ar doesnt compress. its a waste of cycles trying to compress already gzipped files |
| 22:29.40 | kergoth | NetAmp: yep. process list |
| 22:29.43 | Com[Plex] | okay, so I tar.gz the folders, then ar the control.tar.gz and the data.tar.gz. |
| 22:29.48 | kergoth | no |
| 22:29.49 | kergoth | nono |
| 22:29.49 | Com[Plex] | I still might not have enough room. |
| 22:30.00 | Com[Plex] | wtf then? |
| 22:30.00 | kergoth | er |
| 22:30.05 | NetAmp | hmm |
| 22:30.13 | Com[Plex] | ar doesnt compress. its a waste of cycles trying to compress already gzipped files |
| 22:30.18 | kergoth | yes, you create a ar archive containing data.tar.gz, control.tar.gz |
| 22:30.19 | kergoth | right |
| 22:30.29 | Com[Plex] | thats what i said!@ |
| 22:30.34 | kergoth | i know, i misunderstood :) |
| 22:30.41 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 22:31.17 | Com[Plex] | I still might not have enough room. might have to install the rom with 12mb storae |
| 22:31.37 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: oh shit, i forgot sharp rom isnt ramfs in /tmp .. |
| 22:31.38 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: that sucks |
| 22:31.43 | Com[Plex] | this would explain why that guy had the jeode package that only came up to 500k |
| 22:31.52 | Com[Plex] | yeah.. |
| 22:32.02 | Com[Plex] | is there any ramfs on the sharp rom? |
| 22:32.21 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i dont think so. could be, but i dunno. hey you could make the postinst mount a ramfs somewhere and use it.. hehe |
| 22:32.24 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hackish, but hey.. |
| 22:32.30 | NetAmp | kergoth: I don't see tssimd |
| 22:32.50 | NetAmp | but I can work it out later anyway it's cool to see the fb on my Windoze desktop ;) |
| 22:32.51 | Com[Plex] | how..... :> |
| 22:32.58 | Com[Plex] | ahh, dont worry, i figure soemthing out |
| 22:32.59 | kergoth | mount -t ramfs ramfs /path/to/mountpoint |
| 22:33.05 | kergoth | [do stuff] |
| 22:33.07 | kergoth | done |
| 22:33.09 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 22:33.21 | Com[Plex] | ahhh. |
| 22:33.40 | NetAmp | is tssimd some kind of input listener? |
| 22:33.44 | kergoth | course that'll use ram, not storage, if thats what you need |
| 22:33.45 | kergoth | NetAmp: yeah |
| 22:34.18 | Com[Plex] | it is.. |
| 22:34.51 | NetAmp | # find | grep tssimd |
| 22:34.52 | NetAmp | ./mnt/ram/usr/sbin/tssimd |
| 22:34.52 | NetAmp | ./usr/sbin/tssimd |
| 22:34.52 | NetAmp | find: ./proc/12/fd: No such file or directory |
| 22:34.52 | NetAmp | find: ./proc/93/fd: No such file or directory |
| 22:34.53 | NetAmp | ah |
| 22:35.01 | NetAmp | there's the guilty one |
| 22:35.27 | sandman_ | note to self: preloading doesn't work, if the symbol is called from its own binary |
| 22:35.35 | NetAmp | gheh ;) |
| 22:35.36 | kergoth | sandman_: hehe |
| 22:35.36 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, should I do that immediately after the #!/bin/sh line? |
| 22:36.28 | NetAmp | # tssimd |
| 22:36.28 | NetAmp | Opening /dev/tssim: No such file or directory |
| 22:36.32 | NetAmp | oh well |
| 22:36.37 | NetAmp | it's unstable after all ;) |
| 22:36.44 | sandman_ | treke: You said you have a hancom ipk, that works on iPAQs ? |
| 22:36.52 | kergoth | NetAmp: /etc/init.d/fbvncinput start if you really want to start it :) |
| 22:37.07 | kergoth | NetAmp: /j #openzaurus btw, i'm talking to someone else about this exact issue |
| 22:37.08 | NetAmp | wow that helps ;) |
| 22:37.17 | BigBoss | speaking of which, it looks like Hancom has had a falling out with the Sheet developers and have lined up another korean company for a spreadsheet probram |
| 22:39.07 | BigBoss | this is the new one http://www.nexsoft.co.kr/nexcel_en/product.htm |
| 22:39.53 | NetAmp | hah! |
| 22:39.55 | chouimat | BigBoss: ok |
| 22:39.59 | NetAmp | can they actually call it that? ;) |
| 22:40.06 | NetAmp | I bet M$ is p*ed off |
| 22:40.40 | BigBoss | who knows |
| 22:40.47 | BigBoss | they probably don't even know it exists at this stage |
| 22:41.21 | NetAmp | haha |
| 22:41.23 | NetAmp | so cool |
| 22:43.45 | BigBoss | hmm, use to be part of Samsung |
| 22:44.09 | BigBoss | windows only |
| 22:44.16 | BigBoss | more of hancom pissing money away |
| 22:46.59 | ljp_work | oh, we know how much you like Hancom :) |
| 22:47.40 | NetAmp | haha |
| 22:47.50 | NetAmp | I did like Hancom sheet |
| 22:47.59 | NetAmp | haven't installed it since flashing OZ |
| 22:48.28 | BigBoss | Hancom sheet was their best app |
| 22:48.30 | Com[Plex] | I used hancom ONCE. |
| 22:48.45 | Com[Plex] | hancom word. lol. I ahvent used it since. |
| 22:48.46 | BigBoss | it was developed by a husband and wife team and I think it was more licensed to Hancom than anything |
| 22:48.55 | Com[Plex] | I use vi and tkc editor |
| 22:48.58 | BigBoss | they worked remotely with like 4 other people |
| 22:49.08 | BigBoss | even the CEO of Hancom liked tkcEditor better than HancomWord |
| 22:49.22 | NetAmp | does tkc editor support doc |
| 22:49.25 | BigBoss | you might have noticed that Hancom has recently been trying to sell Sheet stand alone |
| 22:49.25 | NetAmp | or RTF even |
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| 22:49.38 | BigBoss | NetAmp: nope, but it's not meant to be a word processor |
| 22:49.52 | NetAmp | oh well those apps look cool anyway |
| 22:50.07 | BigBoss | they've got Sheet in the Lindows warehouse and on their site. I think they are trying to generate revenue to satisfy a contractual obligation |
| 22:50.35 | BigBoss | they spent like 200k on another word processor about a year ago in case the Hancom Word stuff didn't work out |
| 22:50.40 | BigBoss | more money wasted |
| 22:51.00 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:51.05 | kergoth | why not put that towards improving hancom word? |
| 22:51.09 | kergoth | dumbasses |
| 22:51.23 | BigBoss | why don't they just license the stupid filters like Lotus, Star Office and Corel do? |
| 22:51.47 | BigBoss | they are paying $100k per year to some VoIP people so that some day they can put it in their app |
| 22:51.59 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:52.22 | BigBoss | and in the mean time there is a class action lawsuit in korea from all the employees that haven't gotten paid |
| 22:52.30 | BigBoss | the korean government is trying to sort it all out |
| 22:52.43 | BigBoss | lot's of potential, but nobody with a clue running the boat |
| 22:54.06 | NetAmp | oops |
| 22:54.08 | NetAmp | bricked my Z |
| 22:54.10 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 22:54.16 | Com[Plex] | could somone send me this new ipkg-build? |
| 22:54.25 | NetAmp | reboot-twice-without-suspending bug |
| 22:54.33 | kergoth | ibot: ipkg-build |
| 22:54.34 | | somebody said ipkg-build was at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/util/ipkg-build |
| 22:54.35 | Com[Plex] | no way? |
| 22:54.36 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: there |
| 22:54.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:54.40 | NetAmp | oh the fun ;) |
| 22:54.46 | kergoth | NetAmp: its not 'bricked' persay, just need to full reset |
| 22:54.56 | NetAmp | yeah I'm doing that |
| 22:55.04 | NetAmp | but it did look scary ;) hehe |
| 22:55.19 | NetAmp | ah cool my settings are still there |
| 22:55.51 | kergoth | your settings are in flash, not ram :) |
| 22:55.56 | kergoth | you only lost any apps you had installed in the ramdisk |
| 22:56.23 | NetAmp | that is sweet ;) |
| 22:56.29 | NetAmp | even my Today screen remains |
| 22:56.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:56.45 | kergoth | indeed. the advantages of writable flash |
| 22:56.53 | kergoth | disadvantage being of course that you can shoot yourself in the foot |
| 22:56.58 | kergoth | dont rm -rf /lib, for example |
| 22:57.32 | NetAmp | ouch |
| 22:57.35 | NetAmp | heh ;) |
| 22:57.44 | NetAmp | I stay away from rm -rf anyway |
| 22:57.48 | NetAmp | :D |
| 22:57.50 | kergoth | which is part of why people want to run opie as a nonroot user |
| 22:57.56 | kergoth | then they dont have the permissions to shoot themselves inthe foot |
| 22:57.58 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:58.03 | NetAmp | hmm... that's also an idea |
| 22:58.18 | chouimat | CALICE DE TABARNACK!!!! |
| 22:58.23 | NetAmp | it's so much easier than real life |
| 22:58.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:58.36 | treke | sandman_: I've got some ipks that did work. Havent tried it in a week or so |
| 22:58.36 | NetAmp | In real life, you can always shoot yourself in the foot ;) |
| 22:58.55 | NetAmp | but then when I install something I would have to login as ROOT |
| 22:59.02 | NetAmp | using Opie user thingy |
| 22:59.08 | NetAmp | or does ipkg etc. just SU? |
| 22:59.15 | NetAmp | or something like that... know what I mean |
| 22:59.19 | kergoth | NetAmp: we could make ipkg suid root easy enough |
| 22:59.28 | kergoth | NetAmp: could also make aqpkg run it using sudo or something |
| 22:59.36 | kergoth | shouldnt be a problem |
| 22:59.41 | NetAmp | :-) |
| 22:59.49 | NetAmp | feels safer ;) |
| 23:00.13 | treke | sandman_: http://info.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/hancommobileword_1.3.6_arm.ipk |
| 23:03.55 | treke | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/screenshots/00770_0.jpg <-- does that just say emacs to anyone else? |
| 23:05.14 | ljp_work | something wrong with emacs? |
| 23:05.23 | treke | yes |
| 23:05.45 | NetAmp | hey that's cool |
| 23:05.47 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 23:05.51 | NetAmp | realtime Python? |
| 23:06.07 | NetAmp | oh sort of an IDE thingy |
| 23:06.28 | sandman_ | treke: thanks |
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| 23:06.53 | treke | sandman_: It was downloaded from the hancom site, not a hancomcreator ipk |
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| 23:10.51 | ljp_work | dont have an FPU? preload the processor! :D |
| 23:11.43 | NetAmp | hmm |
| 23:11.47 | NetAmp | there's an idea |
| 23:11.48 | mark | ljp_work: hehe |
| 23:11.54 | NetAmp | I'll try that tomorrow ;) |
| 23:12.08 | NetAmp | C-ya |
| 23:12.10 | *** part/#zaurus NetAmp (~netamp@cp234746-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) |
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| 23:17.02 | Com[Plex] | kergoth: that worked like a charm |
| 23:17.27 | Oriumpor | I love irc when someone decides to comsume all the bandwith |
| 23:20.01 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: nice. |
| 23:20.15 | sandman_ | kergoth: Do you know what the binary stuff at the end of "cat /proc/version" is ? (I think it's the version info stuff) |
| 23:20.20 | roge99 | hey kergoth hows it going |
| 23:20.31 | Com[Plex] | now IM testing it out with a fresh oz install. |
| 23:20.46 | kergoth | roge99: long day. very long day. |
| 23:20.46 | Com[Plex] | well. putting the initrd on the cf card atm |
| 23:20.50 | kergoth | sandman_: binary stuff? |
| 23:21.19 | sandman_ | there are non-printaböe chars at end of the normal kernel version line |
| 23:21.28 | sandman_ | printable even |
| 23:21.33 | roge99 | kergoth: thats too bad... I came home early and took a nap :-) |
| 23:21.44 | kergoth | roge99: bastard :) |
| 23:22.04 | Com[Plex] | who was it that bricked there z? |
| 23:22.13 | Com[Plex] | hts this deal with rebooting twice without suspending? |
| 23:22.23 | Com[Plex] | does a re flash fix it?? |
| 23:22.29 | kergoth | sandman_: there is? |
| 23:22.49 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: full reset will make your unit functional again, but the bug remains. just always remember to suspend at least once after booting up |
| 23:22.56 | roge99 | :-P |
| 23:22.58 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 23:23.03 | sandman_ | yup |
| 23:23.09 | Com[Plex] | strange |
| 23:23.25 | sandman_ | And sysinfo is reading /proc/version 5 times (very efficient ...) |
| 23:23.55 | kergoth | sandman_: hmm |
| 23:24.20 | treke | sandman_: It's just being careful |
| 23:24.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:24.58 | Com[Plex] | shit. im out of guinness :< |
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| 23:25.15 | sandman_ | kergoth: Is there something in the kernel source regarding changes to /proc/version ? |
| 23:25.31 | Oriumpor | NOO |
| 23:25.34 | kergoth | sandman_: havent looked. |
| 23:25.37 | kergoth | sandman_: i'll check |
| 23:25.38 | kergoth | grr1 |
| 23:25.45 | Oriumpor | we all need guiness |
| 23:25.53 | kergoth | sshd[4128]: fatal: daemon() failed: Success |
| 23:25.56 | kergoth | !! |
| 23:26.22 | Com[Plex] | ?! |
| 23:26.40 | kergoth | certain things are failing to fork in oz, for some strange reason |
| 23:26.43 | Oriumpor | amazon is a good example of a successful failure : P |
| 23:26.50 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:26.52 | Com[Plex] | what does a full reset do to an oz install? |
| 23:27.04 | kergoth | wipes your ramdisk |
| 23:27.06 | kergoth | and reconfigures your packages |
| 23:27.09 | kergoth | thats about it |
| 23:27.26 | Com[Plex] | ahh.. ramdisk = storage.. right? |
| 23:27.51 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 23:28.58 | Oriumpor | yes |
| 23:29.23 | Oriumpor | I personally wanna know how many mice a person can buy |
| 23:29.24 | Cloudchaser_ | hiya everyone |
| 23:29.38 | kergoth | hi cloud |
| 23:29.40 | kergoth | hows it going? |
| 23:29.47 | kergoth | myself, i need a stiff drink, or 3 |
| 23:29.49 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.49 | treke | \ |
| 23:30.00 | kergoth | ] |
| 23:30.00 | Cloudchaser_ | going well thanks :) just got home from long weekend in snow country :) |
| 23:30.04 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:30.14 | Cloudchaser_ | sugar make kergoth a Long Island |
| 23:30.22 | kergoth | thanks :) |
| 23:30.29 | treke | 9~ -+ cv |
| 23:30.50 | kergoth | treke: get your cat/forehead off the keyboard |
| 23:32.06 | treke | sorry. balls |
| 23:32.49 | Com[Plex] | LOOL |
| 23:33.35 | Com[Plex] | hah, I frequent a pub down the street. all of there drinks are in pint glasses. |
| 23:33.42 | Com[Plex] | they make THE BEST drinks. |
| 23:33.50 | Oriumpor | a pint of long island? |
| 23:34.01 | Com[Plex] | very large, very strong. a fucking pint of long island man. over ice of coruse. |
| 23:34.05 | kergoth | nice. |
| 23:34.09 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 23:34.14 | Com[Plex] | yeah man |
| 23:34.16 | kergoth | I mix long islands that are a fair bit over a pint at my house |
| 23:34.20 | kergoth | talk about upping my tolerance |
| 23:34.24 | kergoth | go to the bar and i barely get a buzz |
| 23:34.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:34.35 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 23:34.41 | Com[Plex] | exactly |
| 23:35.13 | Com[Plex] | I go in and get whisky sours during the summer time. I have them go light on the ice, and extra on the sour. |
| 23:35.33 | kergoth | good stuff, that |
| 23:35.40 | Com[Plex] | I cant drink whisky unless its the really expensive stuff, drowned in sour. |
| 23:35.44 | kergoth | question is, what type of whiskey |
| 23:35.45 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:35.48 | kergoth | I hate the cheap shit |
| 23:35.51 | kergoth | and I hate jack |
| 23:35.53 | Com[Plex] | but ll tell ya. I get bombed. |
| 23:35.53 | kergoth | blech |
| 23:36.07 | Com[Plex] | oh god I would serious yak if I drank a shot of jd |
| 23:36.07 | Twiun | Woohoo! real maximised windows in java! |
| 23:36.24 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: only time my stomach has -ever- gotten upset the morning after |
| 23:36.37 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: was after losing count of how many drinks i had, straight up jack, on the rocks. |
| 23:36.38 | Com[Plex] | I can drink jamesons irish in a carbomb, but I prefer the black velvet or crown royal |
| 23:36.42 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: that'll fuck with your system |
| 23:36.46 | chouimat | Twiun: kaffe or wonla? |
| 23:36.47 | Com[Plex] | egads |
| 23:36.49 | Oriumpor | Jack fucks with you bad |
| 23:36.55 | Com[Plex] | yeah.. *shudder* |
| 23:36.56 | Twiun | chouimat: wonka |
| 23:36.58 | Com[Plex] | its toxic |
| 23:36.59 | kergoth | yeh, jack is rough |
| 23:37.09 | Twiun | chouimat: wanna give it a run for me? |
| 23:37.21 | chouimat | Twiun: gcc 3.2? |
| 23:37.33 | Twiun | chouimat: 2.95.3 |
| 23:37.44 | chouimat | Twiun: sorry :) |
| 23:37.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:38.01 | Twiun | there's too many flavours of the roms about |
| 23:38.06 | Twiun | can't get any bloody testers |
| 23:38.09 | kergoth | hey its all about the choices man |
| 23:38.11 | kergoth | ;) |
| 23:38.14 | kergoth | gotta give people options |
| 23:38.27 | Oriumpor | what .. flavors? |
| 23:38.38 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:38.57 | kergoth | Twiun: your new nifty stuff in bk yet? ;) |
| 23:38.58 | Oriumpor | there's OZ and Sharp ... |
| 23:39.17 | Twiun | kergoth: lol, no, I have no idea how to submit it |
| 23:39.19 | kergoth | Oriumpor: OZ has two flavours, then sharp, then crow. that about covers it really. other than people doing their own custom builds |
| 23:39.34 | kergoth | Twiun: added to your local buildroot? |
| 23:39.40 | kergoth | man, i need to get out of here |
| 23:39.42 | Oriumpor | before 3b and after? |
| 23:39.52 | Twiun | kergoth: manually... no files checked out |
| 23:40.03 | treke | oz is the ONE TRUE WAY |
| 23:40.07 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:40.17 | chouimat | kergoth: i currently use OZ3-MC4 |
| 23:40.22 | kergoth | mc4? lol |
| 23:40.37 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.37 | chouimat | kergoth: my own build |
| 23:40.41 | kergoth | chouimat: hey, want a testing prelink package? its about time somebody tried prelink on ARM |
| 23:40.45 | Twiun | kergoth: written those instructions on how to start mergin stuff in or do I make a pest of myself in #oz? |
| 23:41.05 | Oriumpor | what are the two flavors? |
| 23:41.08 | kergoth | Twiun: if you've already added the config.in files and everything the rest is just bk stuff. bk add blah, bk add heh |
| 23:41.17 | chouimat | treke: I will release OZ3-CradleOfFilth if you want |
| 23:41.18 | kergoth | Oriumpor: one built with gcc2, one built with gcc3 and glibc2.3.1 |
| 23:41.43 | chouimat | kergoth: and soon with or without prelink |
| 23:41.44 | Twiun | kergoth: ok - how do I edit the package/Makefile/config.in and merge that in? |
| 23:41.58 | kergoth | chouimat: prelink will be something that happens periodically, by a cron job |
| 23:42.04 | kergoth | chouimat: it runs through the binaries in the system prelinking htem |
| 23:42.18 | kergoth | chouimat: in theory we could make ipkg automatically prelink newly installed binaries.. thatd be spiffy |
| 23:42.26 | treke | chouimat: Is there a reason you cant just prelink in advance? |
| 23:42.33 | treke | kergoth: postinst script? |
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| 23:42.38 | kergoth | Twiun: read doc/DEVEL, bottom section, in the 'how to add an item in the buildroot' howto |
| 23:42.44 | kergoth | treke: but then you'd need it in -every- postinst |
| 23:42.46 | treke | errr kergoth: Is there a reason you cant just prelink in advance? |
| 23:42.47 | kergoth | treke: i'm talking global |
| 23:42.48 | Twiun | kergoth: cool ;-) |
| 23:43.02 | treke | kergoth: what about the opie init script? |
| 23:43.03 | kergoth | treke: its recommended not to prelink in advance, from what i've read on the various links from jakub |
| 23:43.29 | kergoth | treke: it should either be done to every binary in the system by a cron job, or done on package install by the package management system, or both |
| 23:44.24 | kergoth | treke: make sure not to look at 'objprelink' or any other hacks, look up 'prelink', the version done by jakub (sp?) |
| 23:53.13 | NeoTron | I think I'll definitely play QCast |
| 23:53.24 | treke | QCast? |
| 23:53.24 | NeoTron | then I can finally watch my ... movie collection on the TV. :P |
| 23:53.45 | treke | hehe |
| 23:53.52 | treke | it doesnt look all that hot :) |
| 23:54.02 | NeoTron | well, it plays movies on the playstation 2 |
| 23:54.07 | NeoTron | via the network from my linux box |
| 23:54.13 | NeoTron | that's hot enough |
| 23:54.58 | NeoTron | what did you use to display it? |
| 23:55.03 | treke | mplayer |
| 23:55.06 | NeoTron | see I don't even have a computer with tvout |
| 23:55.06 | treke | over svideo out |
| 23:55.24 | NeoTron | and if I had, I couldn't put a desktop at the TV anyway |
| 23:55.41 | NeoTron | this one uses my existing, in-place playstation and works with the remote control I already have |
| 23:55.44 | NeoTron | almost perfect |
| 23:55.49 | NeoTron | rudimentary GUI isn't a major issue |
| 23:56.17 | treke | I was actually referring to how divx looked on tv. Maybe I've gotten too picky |
| 23:56.48 | NeoTron | I have a 53" HDTV |
| 23:56.54 | NeoTron | divx will look just fine |
| 23:56.59 | NeoTron | even vcd looks pretty decent |
| 23:57.10 | sandman_ | treke: I have a _de version of HancomWord .. maybe it wants to check if it's running on a german ROM |
| 23:57.21 | sandman_ | Your version runs fine |
| 23:57.49 | NeoTron | treke: and I have plenty of movies and tv-series I want to watch but never get around to on the computer. 50 bucks to do it on the TV is well worth it. |
| 23:57.56 | NeoTron | I feel like almost buying it right now |
| 23:58.11 | tux_mike | neo: the better your system, the more profound some of the errors in divx will seem. especially on low bitrates |
| 23:58.21 | veritas | i have a 53 inch penis. |
| 23:58.39 | veritas | girls look fine on it. |
| 23:59.20 | NeoTron | tux_mike: sude, but in general you see those errors easier on monitors due to simply the fact that they tend to be a lot sharper |
| 23:59.29 | NeoTron | I mean in general you don't even notice that TV is interlaced.. |
| 23:59.45 | tux_mike | you do on larger screens |
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