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| 00:35.36 | PenZ | still messed up |
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| 01:13.19 | lsmith | hey kolla |
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| 08:16.01 | *** topic/#zaurus is Sharp 5000d/5500/5600/A300/C700/etc Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ | http://MyZaurus.com/ | OpenZaurus questions, join #openzaurus | OpenZaurus 3.0 is released! | SL-5600 has been announced. | NEW: screenshots section added to openzaurus.org | sick of ipkg bugs? try out the new bugfree version at http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ipks/ (bitch at TMM1 if you find any bugs) |
| 08:16.12 | kolla | I have botmail? wtf is that? :) |
| 08:16.19 | kolla | oh.. I have _no_ botmail |
| 08:16.28 | BZFlag | minor bug.... |
| 08:16.47 | BZFlag | should only be telling you if you do have botmail. |
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| 09:20.54 | Zxcvb | is sharp really going to stop selling the Z to the general public? |
| 09:21.29 | Zxcvb | or is it just that it will have to be ordered from their website |
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| 09:29.20 | GotZaurus | anybody have ident for the z? |
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| 12:08.28 | Piete | hey all |
| 12:09.22 | Twiun | yo |
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| 13:11.07 | oob-z | test |
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| 13:41.08 | neophyte | hi folks |
| 13:41.26 | Piete | heya |
| 13:41.30 | neophyte | I got a little further into my problem with USB and Win2K |
| 13:42.13 | neophyte | its a problem with the networking driver |
| 13:42.28 | neophyte | right now Win2K won't let me install it |
| 13:43.50 | Wintre | ibot sync |
| 13:43.51 | | rumour has it, sync is done on an application level. What apps do you want to sync to on ibot's pc? |
| 13:43.57 | Wintre | ibot usbdnet |
| 13:43.58 | | it has been said that usbdnet is make sure you're using the NEW UHCI kernel driver and not the alternate.. (deselect the uhci driver in usb in kernel config and you will get a choice of either alternate or new) or http://oss.lineo.com/usb/ |
| 13:44.07 | Wintre | ibot howto |
| 13:44.08 | | rumour has it, howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
| 13:45.09 | neophyte | hm |
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| 13:52.00 | neophyte | got the sharp usb driver installed, but it won't install the networking driver, instead it sees a sharp device but cannot start it |
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| 13:55.13 | neophyte | now what? |
| 13:55.33 | neophyte | it started installing the networking driver |
| 13:58.02 | neophyte | thats a miracle |
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| 14:08.26 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 14:09.01 | Piete | hey :) |
| 14:09.06 | Piete | how goes it ben? |
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| 14:18.46 | benmeyer | Good |
| 14:19.21 | benmeyer | hehe, had to think about that for a minute |
| 14:20.46 | benmeyer | Anyone know what the wireless yahoo site url is? |
| 14:20.55 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 14:21.04 | Twiun | benmeyer: wap.yahoo.com? |
| 14:21.11 | Twiun | hiya Cloud |
| 14:21.59 | benmeyer | nope |
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| 14:23.01 | benmeyer | hmm |
| 14:29.29 | ljp | hmm hmmm |
| 14:32.11 | benmeyer | It was a very simple 4 icon type site |
| 14:32.22 | benmeyer | to do stuff like get the wheather, movie times etc |
| 14:33.42 | benmeyer | http://www.otal.umd.edu/uupractice/small_screen/Small_Screen_Web.htm |
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| 14:36.58 | benmeyer | that |
| 14:36.59 | benmeyer | :-D |
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| 14:45.02 | aj2911 | Hello, I am trying to build qtopia (qpe.sf.net) from source as per instructions from http://qpe.sourceforge.net/build.html |
| 14:45.29 | aj2911 | To get "uic", I downlaoaded and built qt-x11 (v 2.3.2) |
| 14:45.44 | aj2911 | and moved the qt-x11 folder to /opt/qt-2.3.2 |
| 14:46.10 | aj2911 | now, I observe that the qt-x11, that I just built contains /opt/qt2.3.2/bin/uic |
| 14:46.44 | aj2911 | also, the qt/emb... that I installed from a binary rpm (on MD 9.0) contains /opt/Qtopia/bin/uic |
| 14:47.43 | aj2911 | 1. To build qpe, where should I point QTDIR ? qt-x11 or qt/emb ? |
| 14:47.53 | aj2911 | 2. which uic should be used ? |
| 14:48.00 | aj2911 | I guess 2 depends on 1 |
| 14:49.06 | aj2911 | Help ! anyone. |
| 14:49.33 | aj2911 | kergoth, jaytee: any of you there ? |
| 14:52.16 | benmeyer | movile.yahoo.com/home |
| 14:52.19 | Cloudchaser | kergoth is away having fun |
| 14:52.26 | benmeyer | that is the site |
| 14:52.27 | benmeyer | :) |
| 14:52.30 | Cloudchaser | movile? |
| 14:52.32 | Cloudchaser | or mobile? |
| 14:52.57 | benmeyer | mobile |
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| 15:06.00 | benmeyer | http://www.east-tec.com/dsksanit/sanit_linux.htm |
| 15:06.01 | benmeyer | haha |
| 15:06.03 | benmeyer | format |
| 15:06.07 | benmeyer | done |
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| 15:07.39 | kolla | benmeyer: ? |
| 15:07.56 | benmeyer | submited to killefiz |
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| 15:24.22 | warmi | hi |
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| 15:33.00 | Cloudchaser | hiya warmi |
| 15:33.04 | Cloudchaser | how are you doing today? |
| 15:33.40 | warmi | considering it is Friday ..today is not a bad day :-) |
| 15:33.48 | warmi | actually, wrong |
| 15:34.00 | warmi | it is better than usuall |
| 15:34.09 | warmi | my project here at work is going well |
| 15:34.16 | Cloudchaser | that's great ;) |
| 15:34.46 | warmi | Cloudchaser: if they were to sell these C700 Zs here in US |
| 15:34.49 | warmi | would you buy one ? |
| 15:35.17 | warmi | I don't think I will be buying 5600 though ... I think c700 is soo much better ( at least it appears that way) |
| 15:35.24 | rizla | how much would you think the c700 would cost? |
| 15:35.27 | ljp_work | I would buy one, if they gave it to me |
| 15:35.37 | Cloudchaser | yes i would buy one if i could afford to |
| 15:35.41 | warmi | well, I would buy it if it was less than $600 |
| 15:35.49 | warmi | but I have no clue how much they would charge for it |
| 15:35.53 | Cloudchaser | i'm unemployed at the moment though |
| 15:36.07 | rizla | i would buy it for 600 |
| 15:36.09 | Cloudchaser | hopefully that will change soon :) |
| 15:36.14 | Cloudchaser | i'd buy it for 500 |
| 15:36.18 | rizla | definitely, the z doesnt quite replace my psion yet |
| 15:36.28 | ljp_work | I'll give 850! |
| 15:36.35 | rizla | an external keyboard like a stowaway would do it though. |
| 15:36.36 | Cloudchaser | no you won't! |
| 15:36.47 | ljp_work | oh, I thought we were bidding on it |
| 15:36.48 | Cloudchaser | i had a jornada 660 lx |
| 15:36.51 | warmi | Cloudchaser: yeah, it is US .. compared to Europe it is easy to get fired but it is also much easier to find a new job |
| 15:36.53 | Cloudchaser | and i love that form factor |
| 15:37.09 | Cloudchaser | well not so easy here |
| 15:37.19 | Cloudchaser | lot of companies laying off at the moment |
| 15:37.30 | warmi | ljp_work: you made some serious money last couple of months when I wasn't around ? |
| 15:37.34 | rizla | i love the z but i need to use it in university so a real keyboard would be great. Also right to left support would be cool does anyone know if oz will ever support this? |
| 15:38.34 | ljp_work | yes, I got a really good color printer |
| 15:38.55 | warmi | ljp_work: yeah, that tends to work for a while .. |
| 15:38.59 | warmi | so enjoy while you can |
| 15:39.00 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:39.04 | ljp_work | :) |
| 15:39.49 | warmi | Cloudchaser: you have some possible jobs lined up or still looking around ? |
| 15:39.55 | Wintre | grr |
| 15:40.10 | warmi | hi Wintre .. |
| 15:40.15 | warmi | you work for Trolls right ? |
| 15:40.22 | Wintre | Yes |
| 15:40.39 | warmi | engineering ? |
| 15:40.43 | Wintre | Right now I'm getting frustrated with RPM though. Know a way to get more debugging info out than -vv? |
| 15:40.44 | Wintre | Ssyadmin |
| 15:41.21 | warmi | not really, I am more familiar with old librpm than I am with the binary itself |
| 15:41.32 | Wintre | Ah well, thanks anyway |
| 15:41.46 | Cloudchaser | warmi i'm still looking |
| 15:42.10 | warmi | Cloudchaser: is it really bad ? |
| 15:42.22 | warmi | the market .. |
| 15:42.32 | Cloudchaser | i've gotten couple calls from headhunters, but mostly just to get more info from me |
| 15:42.40 | Cloudchaser | not for any particular jobs |
| 15:42.51 | Cloudchaser | yes its bad |
| 15:42.53 | Wintre | Cloudchaser: What were you doing? |
| 15:43.06 | warmi | well, they always do that ... I guess getting ready for better times |
| 15:43.38 | Cloudchaser | my job title was network engineer..for NEC (they bought the network integration company i worked for) |
| 15:43.44 | Wintre | Ah |
| 15:44.19 | Cloudchaser | i've a couple cisco certs.. |
| 15:44.21 | ljp_work | my job title is Wonky Wanker |
| 15:44.56 | warmi | Cisco certs used to be quite hot ... |
| 15:45.16 | Wintre | I find it hard not to be cynical about certification |
| 15:45.33 | warmi | frankly, according to some people, Cisco exams were one of the toughest around |
| 15:46.28 | Cloudchaser | hehe they were tough..all 7 of them |
| 15:47.11 | warmi | Wintre: it is just another way to evaluate someone ... at least it shows that that person cares :-) |
| 15:47.34 | warmi | cares enough to spend money/time on this |
| 15:47.38 | Wintre | It's a for-profit industry. |
| 15:47.50 | warmi | sure, so is higher education |
| 15:47.55 | warmi | at least in US |
| 15:47.57 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: CCIE? |
| 15:48.10 | Cloudchaser | numatrix: no ccnp |
| 15:48.20 | Wintre | Yeah. And that's part of why higher education is really crap. |
| 15:48.23 | Cloudchaser | i didn't go for the ccie |
| 15:48.28 | numatrix | Ahh. I don't know much about them; a lot of the engineers where I work are working on them. |
| 15:48.42 | Wintre | Though at least higher education has a tradition (heh) of academics to follow |
| 15:48.43 | warmi | Wintre: no, it is not .. I personally thing higher education in US is the best in the world |
| 15:48.46 | warmi | but that's just me |
| 15:49.01 | Cloudchaser | when we got bought, they took away our ccie program |
| 15:49.05 | Wintre | warmi: My dad's a professor at a state school in Ohio. I went there myself. |
| 15:49.27 | warmi | Wintre: perhaps your expectations are a bit different |
| 15:49.40 | Wintre | It wasn't a big step up beyond job-training in an extended high school |
| 15:49.51 | warmi | well, that depends what you want to do . |
| 15:50.13 | Wintre | Maybe so |
| 15:50.17 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:50.20 | Wintre | I am American, btw, not Norwegian |
| 15:50.29 | warmi | if you want ot be just a programmer then sure, there is no need to spend 5 years learning advanced math etc .. |
| 15:51.08 | Cloudchaser | i would like to go back to school to get a degree |
| 15:51.11 | Wintre | Yeah, but that doesn't bug me |
| 15:51.20 | Wintre | It's stuff like teaching people to write at all usefully |
| 15:51.29 | Wintre | You're supposed to have learned that in early high school at the latest |
| 15:51.55 | Wintre | Cloudchaser: Maybe now's a good time ;) |
| 15:52.35 | Cloudchaser | if i can afford to |
| 15:52.37 | warmi | that's different though ... you are talking about failures of lower level public education :-) |
| 15:52.59 | Wintre | warmi: Higher education doesn't value academics, however. |
| 15:53.02 | warmi | Wintre: btw .. I am not American .. just live in US :-) |
| 15:53.04 | Wintre | It's for-profit |
| 15:53.10 | Wintre | Ah, where are you from? |
| 15:53.18 | warmi | Poland |
| 15:53.27 | Wintre | I just want to get straight our assumptions about each others' cultures ;) |
| 15:53.31 | Wintre | Hmm |
| 15:53.43 | warmi | not much difference there |
| 15:53.54 | chouimat | Wintre: and here higher education sucks |
| 15:54.00 | Wintre | I have no idea what the Polish educational system is like, but I'd guess it's not in the best shape |
| 15:54.25 | Wintre | chouimat: Quebec? |
| 15:54.29 | chouimat | yes |
| 15:54.36 | Wintre | cloudchaser: Btw, where do you live? |
| 15:54.58 | Cloudchaser | US, Connecticut, so i'm looking in CT and NYC area |
| 15:55.17 | chouimat | Wintre: here the CS programs is politicaly driven |
| 15:55.34 | warmi | politically driven ? |
| 15:55.37 | Wintre | Hmm, I wouldn't have thought the market would be as bad there as in the say the Valley - but I guess it's bad everywhere |
| 15:55.37 | warmi | heh |
| 15:55.45 | Wintre | chouimat: I'm not sure I see how it could be |
| 15:56.37 | Cloudchaser | layoffs and more layoffs |
| 15:56.49 | chouimat | Wintre: it's just because we have 3 teachers factions that doesn't speak to each other, so they change the cursus just for the other factions have less job |
| 15:57.15 | Wintre | chouimat: Ah, I see - is that just in a particular university or throughout the province? |
| 15:57.15 | warmi | Cloudchaser: well, that's why they call it a recession :-) |
| 15:57.30 | chouimat | Wintre: my university |
| 15:57.42 | Wintre | chouimat: ok. I thought you meant more generally. |
| 15:57.50 | warmi | but, I thought I read ,that things are picking up |
| 15:57.53 | Wintre | And that really sucks ass. |
| 15:58.02 | warmi | at least, statistically speaking |
| 15:58.47 | chouimat | Wintre: one example they removed the folloiwing classes: Advanced Operating Systems, Real-Time Programming and Embedded Systems. |
| 15:58.52 | warmi | Wintre: trolls host their servers in US ? |
| 15:58.53 | Wintre | Hate's not the right word, but it does irritate me |
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| 15:59.04 | Wintre | warmi: No, our primary servers are here. |
| 15:59.23 | Wintre | warmi: We have a sales office in the US, but there's nobody very technical there. They have one of our DNS servers |
| 15:59.31 | chouimat | and the only job I found is one in theose area ... very fun to learn embedded programming "sur le tas" |
| 15:59.42 | warmi | oh, so you are in Norway ? |
| 15:59.54 | Wintre | warmi: Yeah. But from the US. |
| 16:00.18 | chouimat | and since we will see more and more of intelligent applience. their choice was political |
| 16:00.18 | warmi | having fun up there ? |
| 16:00.22 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:00.40 | Wintre | Pretty much :) |
| 16:01.04 | chouimat | i need to remove my cat tail from my keyboard |
| 16:02.24 | ljp_work | what the heck are you doing in Norway? |
| 16:02.27 | warmi | Wintre: do you know , by any chance, which market is bigger as far as Trolls sales are concerned, is it Europe or US ? |
| 16:03.15 | warmi | ljp_work: Norway is a decent place as long as you are willing to put up with Russian style winters |
| 16:03.20 | Cloudchaser | warmi: yes i know its a recession...thinking we might have to move if a job comes up in another area |
| 16:03.24 | Wintre | Norway is really epensive |
| 16:03.27 | Wintre | s/epe/expe/ |
| 16:03.32 | Wintre | Nice during the summer though |
| 16:03.44 | Wintre | warmi: I can't really say. I think we're pursuing everything equally |
| 16:03.46 | warmi | Wintre: correction -> Europe is really expensive :-) |
| 16:03.49 | Wintre | As much as possible |
| 16:03.57 | Wintre | Heh. No, Norway is really expensive. |
| 16:03.58 | ljp_work | oh, I'd love to live inNorway! skiing, sailing, and scandinavian women! |
| 16:04.04 | Wintre | Going just to Sweden and everything is vastly cheaper |
| 16:04.09 | Wintre | Err |
| 16:04.19 | Wintre | Go just to Sweden, for example, and everything is vastly cheaper |
| 16:05.01 | warmi | I thought Sweden was one of the most expensive places .. |
| 16:05.05 | warmi | I guess I was wrong |
| 16:05.25 | Wintre | Sweden probably is one of the most expensive in the EU. |
| 16:05.32 | Wintre | Norway is even more expensive than that. |
| 16:06.04 | warmi | well, Norway will always be a bit more expensive than , say France, due to its location and accesibility problems |
| 16:06.21 | Wintre | Swedes sell big bags of like chicken breasts and such basic foodstuffs because Norwegians will drive there and buy them |
| 16:06.21 | warmi | similar as with Alaska I guess |
| 16:06.25 | ljp_work | thats why those vikings were so mean |
| 16:06.27 | Wintre | They at least feel that it's economical |
| 16:06.43 | warmi | I am sure most of it is economical |
| 16:06.55 | warmi | most likley heavy taxation |
| 16:07.01 | warmi | likely even |
| 16:07.09 | Wintre | Yeah, that's a big part of it |
| 16:07.41 | Wintre | But things here cost more just because they *can*, so far as I can tell |
| 16:08.41 | warmi | well, that's just a symptom |
| 16:08.50 | Wintre | Yeah, maybe so. |
| 16:08.53 | warmi | the real problem is with their social/economical system |
| 16:09.13 | warmi | otherwise , it would be no brainer for someone to just try to sell stuf cheaper and make a killing |
| 16:09.16 | Wintre | But I dunno - I think Sweden's system, for example, is very similar to Norway's, and their cost of living is markedly lower |
| 16:09.56 | warmi | anyway, I don't know enough about Norway - just guessing |
| 16:10.36 | benmeyer | Tip: Don't worry about it... You will find a job, In the mean time, focus on your love life. |
| 16:10.40 | benmeyer | seen on /. |
| 16:10.50 | Wintre | Slashdot, source of wisdom |
| 16:10.57 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:13.36 | noda | What the hell... what's the big deal about Ellen Feiss? |
| 16:13.56 | Com[Plex] | uh. shes a mac luser |
| 16:13.59 | Com[Plex] | a very stoned mac luser |
| 16:14.14 | Wintre | "$129 for a lousy system upgrade? Did, I could get mad weed for that" |
| 16:14.16 | Com[Plex] | a very very OBviously Totally Stoned... mac luser |
| 16:14.17 | noda | I know, but Letterman and Leno trying to book her? For a 30-second commercial? |
| 16:14.54 | Com[Plex] | hahaha, yeah, because everyonbe in the world knows that shes a total burnout now. its hilarious |
| 16:15.00 | noda | lol |
| 16:15.35 | Com[Plex] | I can picture it now :david: So ellen, exactly how much weed did you smoke before you did that commercial?" |
| 16:15.47 | Wintre | I remember a Macintosh lab in the library of the university I attended. |
| 16:16.08 | Com[Plex] | yeah, where peopoe didnt know that the mouse tail pointed away from them |
| 16:16.11 | Wintre | It had a big ol' sign hanging above all the computers, with "Save every 5 minutes" written on it in foot-high letters |
| 16:16.36 | Com[Plex] | save early, save often |
| 16:16.38 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:16.42 | Com[Plex] | save your sanity |
| 16:16.56 | warmi | noda: yeah, first time I saw that commercial I thought she was literally stoned |
| 16:16.58 | Com[Plex] | thats one I say alot. |
| 16:17.18 | Com[Plex] | she IS/WAS Stoned diude. theres Not question about it |
| 16:17.20 | noda | warmi: You're not the only one :) |
| 16:17.35 | noda | Bah, maybe not. I can act stoned like that if I get an iPod for it :) |
| 16:17.49 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 16:18.10 | benmeyer | at least the story was true |
| 16:18.26 | noda | lol, this interview is hilarious. http://www.browndailyherald.com/post/stories.asp?ID=269 |
| 16:18.40 | Cloudchaser | hehe ben, who was that tip for? |
| 16:19.58 | benmeyer | no one |
| 16:20.00 | benmeyer | just amusing |
| 16:20.30 | benmeyer | Course I found that when I didn't have a job that I ended up working on open source projects |
| 16:20.38 | chouimat | noda: Error 403 too many users connected |
| 16:20.44 | Wintre | Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Driverserror '80040e4d' |
| 16:20.57 | noda | chouimat: Bah. Try again. It's funny :) |
| 16:21.08 | noda | Either she was stoned on the interview also or that's just the way she always is :P |
| 16:21.39 | numatrix | noda: She says she had allergies... |
| 16:22.00 | numatrix | I tend to believe it since like you said she sounded out of it in the interview as well. |
| 16:22.11 | numatrix | Or rather, she sounds like a spacey 15 year old girl... |
| 16:22.12 | noda | rofl, I got shuttled down to New York, and I got VIP seating, and I was like, “Wow, I’m at the Oscars or something,†but then I was like, “No, I’m at Macworld.†|
| 16:23.35 | Com[Plex] | hHAHA |
| 16:24.26 | Com[Plex] | shes only 15? |
| 16:24.30 | noda | Slashdot moderators are weird. I post to say an ATI person lied to me and told me they wouldn't be making Linux drivers, and somehow it's decided that this post is +2 interesting :P |
| 16:25.41 | benmeyer | At Intel's conference I went around to all of the video card booths and asked them when their linux driver status was |
| 16:25.56 | benmeyer | They all said that they had something, a lot was inhouse at this point though |
| 16:26.13 | noda | Heh. |
| 16:26.18 | noda | That can mean anything :) |
| 16:26.27 | Com[Plex] | why is it so difficult to write a driver for a video card under linux? |
| 16:26.34 | benmeyer | it isn't |
| 16:26.47 | Com[Plex] | cant they just port the code? - I mean. whats the big deal? |
| 16:26.55 | noda | It's not... writing accelerated OpenGL drivers is probably more tricky, but then again, they can use the same code they use in Windows, can't they? |
| 16:28.29 | benmeyer | it is more about having the infestructor to support those drivers |
| 16:28.38 | benmeyer | and managment bs |
| 16:28.55 | chouimat | hmmm AFPL Ghostscript 8.00 |
| 16:29.03 | noda | HOLY CRAP, Mozilla's eaten up 132MB of memory... |
| 16:29.40 | Cloudchaser | mozilla seems to eat my memory too |
| 16:30.00 | Cloudchaser | my pc slows to a crawl and i go look and there's mozilla..chomping away |
| 16:30.49 | noda | Still, it's better than any other browser :) |
| 16:31.11 | noda | I think it's because my PHP script went into an infinite loop and fed Mozilla like 50 megs of web page before I hit "stop"... and Mozilla never freed it. |
| 16:31.20 | noda | I've got 512MB though, so I'm okay. |
| 16:34.27 | noda | Wintre: Konqueror can't even handle CSS declarations for buttons. |
| 16:34.36 | noda | I mean, even *IE* can do that. |
| 16:34.51 | Wintre | Form buttons? |
| 16:35.02 | Wintre | And which one? |
| 16:35.12 | Wintre | Though I haven't bothered upgrading to anything beyond 2.2.2 |
| 16:35.16 | noda | Yeah. <input type="submit" value="submit" style="background-color: green;" /> |
| 16:35.32 | noda | Any version of Konqueror will render that just like it does your normal buttons. |
| 16:35.41 | noda | You can't set borders for it properly either. |
| 16:35.51 | Wintre | I can't say I care very much about web forms, having been a web app developer and having come to hate it passionately ;) |
| 16:36.15 | treke | noda: I call that a feature :) |
| 16:36.16 | noda | Wintre: Ditto. I'm dealing with 'em right now in fact :) |
| 16:36.28 | noda | treke: Why? |
| 16:36.48 | treke | noda: Because I like my buttons gray |
| 16:36.54 | noda | treke: If you mean you don't want the web developer overriding your default settings... you can just put some !important declarations in your user-defined stylesheet. |
| 16:37.47 | noda | On openzaurus.org I like to give the buttons a "flat" look. When I see a Keramik-styled button I get annoyed. |
| 16:37.59 | noda | It's taking options away from the user. |
| 16:38.07 | treke | noda: I dont think that OS/App provided controls should be under the control of the web designer |
| 16:38.35 | noda | treke: THEY AREN'T. A user-defined stylesheet with !important declarations will ALWAYS override the web developer's. |
| 16:39.00 | noda | treke: It's a feature of CSS, and therefore should be supported. |
| 16:40.01 | benmeyer | bla I hate it when I don't remember what my shorthand means |
| 16:40.14 | benmeyer | what is ?si bky" |
| 16:40.17 | noda | I as a web browser would prefer that my buttons show up the way the web developer (me) intended, since I know I made the buttons look cool :) |
| 16:40.44 | Wintre | But, see, that's *exactly* the opposite of the original design! |
| 16:41.00 | noda | Huh? |
| 16:41.15 | benmeyer | of having everyone have the same interface |
| 16:41.17 | Wintre | The original design of HTML was that markup was semantic |
| 16:41.36 | Wintre | <em>, not <b>. The user could choose how to display emphasized text himself |
| 16:41.47 | noda | Yes, exactly. |
| 16:41.48 | Wintre | Maybe bold, maybe italic, maybe in red or something |
| 16:41.56 | chouimat | HTML sucks |
| 16:41.58 | noda | And he can specify how to display buttons too. |
| 16:42.00 | noda | chouimat: You suck :P |
| 16:42.02 | Wintre | Nono |
| 16:42.05 | noda | (don't diss html!) |
| 16:42.13 | Wintre | Oh, the user. Yes, I see your point. |
| 16:42.19 | chouimat | noda: :P |
| 16:42.27 | Wintre | But that's not what you said about making the button look cool ;) |
| 16:42.32 | noda | Gotta go now... gotta hand in this request for extra course load :) |
| 16:42.43 | noda | Well, it's what I *meant*. I write stuff with the assumption people already understand my point. |
| 16:42.56 | noda | Which makes for some damned confusing conversations :) |
| 16:43.01 | noda | Which is fun :) |
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| 16:52.17 | icefox | bla |
| 16:52.26 | icefox | ksirc needs some polish |
| 16:52.43 | warmi | icefox: Linux needs some polish :-) |
| 16:53.12 | icefox | hey at least I didn't leave Linux with yet another .98a patch 13 app |
| 16:53.14 | icefox | with Kinkatta |
| 16:53.17 | icefox | I got to 1.0a |
| 16:54.32 | chouimat | hi icefox/benmeyer combo |
| 16:55.26 | icefox | :-D |
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| 17:14.40 | KotH | konban wa |
| 17:21.02 | chouimat | http://www.whatwouldjesusdrive.org <- ????? |
| 17:23.36 | ljp_work | he would drive Birkenstocks |
| 17:24.23 | chouimat | ljp_work: no a big SUV, you need place for 13 persons :) |
| 17:24.51 | ljp_work | VW |
| 17:25.20 | chouimat | ljp_work: hehe |
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| 17:25.49 | edgar | why isn't QTextEdit part of the qtopia-free sdk? |
| 17:26.05 | ljp_work | isnt that qt3? |
| 17:26.09 | treke | edgar: because it isnt in qt2 |
| 17:26.10 | chouimat | ljp_work: and they call themself the most powerfull country in the world |
| 17:26.37 | edgar | ok, i'm reading docs that say QMultiLineEdit is obsolete.. but that makes sense it is obsolete in 3 |
| 17:26.40 | edgar | but not in qpe |
| 17:26.49 | treke | right |
| 17:26.51 | edgar | so I should still use QMultiLineEdit |
| 17:26.55 | treke | yes |
| 17:27.10 | edgar | ok thanks |
| 17:27.15 | ljp_work | TT only wants qmultilineedit to be obsolete |
| 17:27.29 | edgar | TT? |
| 17:27.33 | edgar | troltech |
| 17:27.33 | ljp_work | trolltech |
| 17:27.41 | ljp_work | reailty is something different |
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| 17:28.14 | edgar | well it doesn't matter to me, just needed to know which one to use thanks |
| 17:29.46 | warmi | qmultilineedit sucks rather bad as far as using it as a base widget for creating more specialized editors |
| 17:30.27 | edgar | i need it for the simplest possible thing so its perfect |
| 17:32.24 | treke | ljp_work: thought of moving your qtextedit port into libopie? |
| 17:33.23 | warmi_lunch | qtextedit ? |
| 17:33.39 | warmi_lunch | a rich control from qt 3.0 ported to qt 2.x ? |
| 17:33.44 | ljp_work | mine? |
| 17:33.56 | treke | ljp_work: didnt you do opie-write? |
| 17:34.00 | ljp_work | you mean whats in opie-write? |
| 17:34.12 | warmi_lunch | last time I looked it was empty :-) |
| 17:34.16 | ljp_work | no, I didnt. I |
| 17:34.20 | warmi_lunch | at least cvs for opie-write was empty |
| 17:34.41 | treke | warmi_lunch: its been updated since. Now it even works, somewhat |
| 17:34.42 | ljp_work | opie-write should be available in the feeds now |
| 17:34.52 | ljp_work | ya I updated it |
| 17:35.15 | ljp_work | needs rtf |
| 17:36.33 | rizla | where can i get opie-write from, cant seem to find it in the feed |
| 17:36.54 | ljp_work | should be there, maybe in unstable openzaurus |
| 17:37.38 | rizla | nope, cant see it |
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| 17:45.18 | icefox | only 41 out of 70 apps have been released in the contest |
| 17:45.23 | icefox | that is Pitifull |
| 17:45.26 | icefox | spell |
| 17:45.52 | treke | lame |
| 17:46.06 | icefox | that works too :-D |
| 17:46.21 | icefox | and a good number of those 41 apps where nothing more then the beta app |
| 17:46.44 | icefox | so much for trusting the community |
| 17:47.08 | treke | people who take their zaurus and forget the contest should beaten. shot. beaten again, then maybe beaten some more |
| 17:47.52 | ljp_work | the original contest, or the faux 'contest' |
| 17:48.50 | XavierXeon | i did not participate in both |
| 17:49.24 | treke | in the first contest I had written an app, then found ljp_work had one that worked better, so I dropped it :) |
| 17:50.03 | icefox | yah, but that was different |
| 17:50.32 | treke | in the second contest I just never submitted anything since my patches werent worth a zaurus |
| 17:50.44 | icefox | This contest siad that if you got a unit you would release by Sep 12th or something, granted there were delays, but _still_ |
| 17:51.01 | icefox | treke: oh you wouldn't beleieve what _got_ a zaurus |
| 17:51.24 | treke | wouldnt make me feel any better getting one for it :) |
| 17:51.40 | treke | just wouldnt feel right |
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| 17:51.56 | ljp_work | Sharp may have done better just giving opie devs zaurus' |
| 17:52.06 | icefox | the other half of the point of the contest was to get units in the hand of developer who would actually develop applications post contest |
| 17:52.19 | icefox | ljp_work: we actually did |
| 17:52.29 | icefox | 5 units and 5 serial cables in trade for the opie-console app |
| 17:53.35 | ljp_work | 5?! |
| 17:53.48 | icefox | 5 different developers |
| 17:53.59 | kybu | hi |
| 17:54.26 | ljp_work | weren't those loaners? |
| 17:56.44 | RedBeard | doh! |
| 17:57.56 | icefox | we had someone who was going to buy a large number of units, but they needed that app yesterday so 5 units in trade for getting it done in two weeks was a good deal for us |
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| 18:08.00 | George- | FFS |
| 18:08.11 | George- | That's it.. |
| 18:08.17 | George- | Someone kick JennyC out |
| 18:08.32 | George- | <JennyC> '%' .%' .%' http://www.hungry4porn.com ,%' .%' .%' No popups, Updated EVERY day, just 100% FREE !!!!! |
| 18:08.37 | George- | stupid damn bot |
| 18:08.59 | Cloudchaser | george report it |
| 18:09.04 | *** part/#zaurus treke (~ggilbert@12.107.12.130) |
| 18:09.07 | *** join/#zaurus treke (~ggilbert@12.107.12.130) |
| 18:09.20 | George- | Cloudchaser: Where? |
| 18:10.20 | Cloudchaser | darn i cant' remember |
| 18:10.22 | Cloudchaser | someone here knows |
| 18:10.26 | George- | #Freenode :) |
| 18:10.31 | Cloudchaser | yep thats it |
| 18:10.40 | Cloudchaser | they'll need the nickname |
| 18:10.48 | George- | they already know |
| 18:10.53 | Cloudchaser | ah ok |
| 18:10.54 | treke | Cloudchaser: its in the freenode channel also :) |
| 18:10.56 | George- | #zaurus #labyrinth #Mandrake #freenode #WOPN #java #OpenBSD #Slackware #python #linuxhelp #c++ #perl #redhat #FreeBSD #c #php #Linux #gentoo #debian |
| 18:11.00 | George- | It's spamming those chans |
| 18:11.21 | Cloudchaser | zh |
| 18:11.23 | Cloudchaser | ah |
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| 18:11.40 | BigBoss | Hey Party People |
| 18:11.49 | George- | Hey BigBoss |
| 18:11.52 | Cloudchaser | hi BigBoss |
| 18:11.57 | treke | darn. bigboss just missed the free porn |
| 18:11.59 | George- | Cloudchaser: heh, JennyC won't be back for a while |
| 18:12.33 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 18:12.33 | numatrix | "Whoop, there it is..." Took me a second to remember where a line like party people came from. |
| 18:14.28 | numatrix | icefox: Ben, you confused me at first. Don't use that nick very often... |
| 18:18.11 | BigBoss | there is plenty of free porn around |
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| 18:18.38 | numatrix | In fact, I seem to remember some with the beta screeners of tkcvideo. ;-) |
| 18:18.52 | treke | ha |
| 18:19.12 | George- | LOL |
| 18:19.21 | George- | "nikkinova" |
| 18:19.24 | George- | iirc =P |
| 18:19.57 | BigBoss | show's you were Max's head is at |
| 18:20.08 | BigBoss | although a lot of people thought stuff was porn that wasn't |
| 18:20.34 | George- | like "xXx"? |
| 18:20.35 | George- | :) |
| 18:20.52 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.05 | treke | nice |
| 18:21.05 | numatrix | A lot of the titles were quite entertaining. Especially after he tried to take some 'normal' shots and you could see the bottom half of: Lollita Love Long or some other such name. |
| 18:21.16 | icefox | cool, what is it? |
| 18:21.18 | numatrix | Neo|Work: what's that of? |
| 18:21.51 | Neo|Work | oh, first model loaded/rendered in our engine |
| 18:22.01 | numatrix | You're doing your own engine? Spiffy. |
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| 18:22.27 | Neo|Work | it's not that interesting |
| 18:22.37 | Neo|Work | numatrix: well, I'm actually not doing the 3D part of the engine |
| 18:22.44 | Neo|Work | but 'we' are |
| 18:23.13 | numatrix | Neo|Work: is it sort of general development, or is it for a specific project eongames is working on? If you don't mind me asking. |
| 18:23.35 | mark | George-: ! |
| 18:23.43 | Neo|Work | specific project(s) |
| 18:23.50 | BigBoss | virtuasex |
| 18:23.56 | George- | hey mark |
| 18:23.58 | BigBoss | porno SIMS |
| 18:24.07 | BigBoss | i bet that would sell like crazy |
| 18:24.07 | George- | mark: did you get my email? |
| 18:24.08 | Neo|Work | first one being an Elite/Privateer type, second one probably being more of a Wing commander one |
| 18:24.17 | George- | mark: the one I sent cos I was really bored |
| 18:25.05 | numatrix | BigBoss: No, no, you got it all wrong. That was: Virtua's Ex; sequel to Deus Ex. And it was actually Pornosims (pour-na-sims) - french for fragrant flower. Those weren't porns at all... ;-) |
| 18:25.40 | numatrix | Neo|Work: Sweet. Realized you could do a better engine than the one used by IF? |
| 18:26.10 | Neo|Work | numatrix: cleaner perhaps and with some cool features (shading for example) |
| 18:26.19 | numatrix | BigBoss: That was a deliberate misunderstanding on my part. Feel free to ignore. I had too much caffeine for lunch. |
| 18:26.27 | Neo|Work | if you notice in that shot, the model is actually flat shaded |
| 18:26.53 | numatrix | I honestly don't know enough about 3d to know the difference. :-) |
| 18:29.03 | mark | George-: NO |
| 18:29.18 | George- | mark: ? |
| 18:29.25 | chouimat | hi BigBoss George- |
| 18:29.27 | ljp_work | george! |
| 18:29.47 | Neo|Work | numatrix: flat shading == each polygon might have a difference light level |
| 18:30.20 | Neo|Work | on the shot, the top left is dark, while the top right is light |
| 18:30.23 | George- | ljp_work: what ? =P |
| 18:30.31 | BigBoss | hey chou |
| 18:30.31 | ljp_work | you at school? |
| 18:30.32 | George- | Why is everyone screaming "george!" |
| 18:30.48 | numatrix | Neo|Work: Gotcha. Yeah, I did notice the lighting effect. I was wondering if that was it, but 'flat shading' didn't necessarily intuitively sound like that would be it. |
| 18:30.51 | chouimat | George-: because your a youg puppy |
| 18:30.57 | ljp_work | cause we all like picking on you |
| 18:31.12 | George- | heh |
| 18:31.22 | numatrix | Neo|Work: awww.. there's no engine-scr1.png. ;-) |
| 18:32.09 | Neo|Work | 'flat" just means that each polygon has one light level |
| 18:32.27 | numatrix | Neo|Work: What would be more than flat? |
| 18:32.35 | icefox | hehe I have 10 addresses in my amazon.com account |
| 18:32.44 | chouimat | wonderful! my cat love Yngwie Malmsteen |
| 18:32.53 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 18:33.12 | numatrix | icefox: Yeah, I noticed a few weeks ago I had two pre-college addresses, two college addresses, and two post college addresses in mine. |
| 18:33.16 | ljp_work | my car loves the bluebirds |
| 18:33.19 | ljp_work | err |
| 18:33.21 | ljp_work | cat |
| 18:33.28 | ljp_work | heh my car loves gas |
| 18:33.44 | chouimat | ljp_work: mine is sleeping on the speaker |
| 18:34.36 | Neo|Work | numatrix: http://freespace.virgin.net/hugo.elias/graphics/x_polygo.htm |
| 18:34.44 | Neo|Work | gouraud or phong shading for example |
| 18:36.01 | chouimat | ljp_work: actually my cat love cradle of filth more |
| 18:37.18 | numatrix | Neo|Work: excellent, thanks. |
| 18:37.29 | numatrix | I knew I majored in math for something... |
| 18:38.02 | chouimat | eww math |
| 18:38.21 | numatrix | Neo|Work: ahh; but the other kinds of shading require FP... I see. |
| 18:38.44 | ljp_work | I once had a floating point, but I forgot what it was |
| 18:39.02 | hardwire | hahah |
| 18:39.07 | hardwire | BOY THATS FUNNY STUFFINS! |
| 18:39.16 | Neo|Work | numatrix: actually according to that link I gave you it doesn't require floating point math |
| 18:39.25 | Neo|Work | it does however require additional per-pixel calculations |
| 18:39.31 | numatrix | Guess that math major isn't worth anything.. |
| 18:39.52 | George- | is StarWars Ep II any good? |
| 18:40.15 | chouimat | George-: anakin does the queen? |
| 18:40.40 | numatrix | Neo|Work: frac(Ax) doesn't? |
| 18:41.24 | Neo|Work | numatrix: don't ask me, I really don't know shit |
| 18:41.38 | Neo|Work | only know it because I had to figure out exactly what 'flat shading' meant . :) |
| 18:41.38 | numatrix | Neo|Work: Much more than me, I guarantee... |
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| 18:42.48 | numatrix | :-) It's cool stuff, I'm definitely going to bookmark that site for future reference. |
| 18:44.10 | George- | chouimat: you are rank |
| 18:44.52 | chouimat | George-: huh? |
| 18:45.11 | numatrix | chouimat: He means you rank. You're tops. |
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| 18:52.11 | Neo|Work | http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=demo_dawn <- One word. Wow. |
| 18:52.34 | George- | Neo|Work: what is it? |
| 18:52.58 | treke | ~it is quite impressive, that's what it is |
| 18:52.59 | | I think you lost me on that one, treke |
| 18:53.18 | Neo|Work | GeForce FX |
| 18:53.37 | Neo|Work | it looks almost raytraced |
| 18:53.43 | Neo|Work | or at least non-realtime rendered |
| 18:53.59 | numatrix | Neo|Work: so where's the sample video of that, I wonder. That is amazing looking. |
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| 18:54.30 | George- | wow. and then ATI will release the Radeon 10000 |
| 18:54.38 | George- | and then the NV40 will come out |
| 18:54.40 | George- | blah blah blah |
| 18:54.50 | treke | which will have really cool hardware, but ati's typically crappy drivers |
| 18:55.05 | Neo|Work | numatrix: I wish I had one |
| 18:55.14 | chouimat | and soon we will have Oxygen-on-a-chip card |
| 18:55.18 | Neo|Work | nvidia "won" way back when purely on drivers |
| 18:55.25 | Neo|Work | especially OpenGL drivers that is |
| 18:55.36 | numatrix | I've always been an nvidia fan. |
| 18:55.52 | George- | that pixie looks disgusting =P |
| 18:56.15 | chouimat | George-: huh? |
| 18:56.17 | numatrix | George-: Personally, aesthetically, technically, or otherwise? |
| 18:56.31 | George- | lol |
| 18:57.27 | icefox | me I still like 3dfx hehe :-D |
| 18:57.47 | icefox | I still remember the first time I saw Quake under glide... |
| 18:57.53 | chouimat | icefox: yup for my use my 3dfx voodoo 3 2000 pci is ok, and my ati rage 128 too |
| 18:58.15 | icefox | What is the max res on the voodoo 3? |
| 18:58.37 | chouimat | icefox: on my 19" about 1920x1440 |
| 18:59.08 | chouimat | icefox: actually the max resolution is 2046x1536 |
| 18:59.35 | icefox | ok |
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| 19:00.05 | Neo|Work | My wish is a next computer being a hammer with GF FX |
| 19:00.23 | chouimat | if I change my little 14" monitor, i will drop back to 1600x1200 so I will have the same resulotion on both card |
| 19:00.25 | icefox | None of the 10 or so video cards I had when I got my Sony monitor worked card. |
| 19:00.53 | chouimat | hmmm 3200x1200 |
| 19:02.37 | Neo|Work | I ran 3200x1200 for a while |
| 19:02.52 | Neo|Work | but then a monitor broke and I had to give up on of the monitors |
| 19:03.10 | George- | I want 3.2x10^70 x 1.2x10^40 |
| 19:03.11 | George- | so =P |
| 19:03.12 | warmi | Neo|Work: you can't really code or do anything with text with that kind of resolution |
| 19:03.16 | chouimat | George-: we call that a video wall |
| 19:03.30 | chouimat | warmi: use bigger fonts |
| 19:03.32 | warmi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.56 | warmi | I am still happy with 1280x1024 |
| 19:04.07 | warmi | just about right for my 19" monitor |
| 19:04.23 | treke | 1280x1024 + 1024x768 works very nicely for me |
| 19:04.23 | George- | 1152x768 rocks |
| 19:04.59 | chouimat | 1920x1440 + 1024x768 (1024x1440 virtual) is my current setting |
| 19:05.29 | RedBeard | where do I find zaurus apps? |
| 19:05.37 | icefox | ibot zsi |
| 19:05.38 | ljp_work | I like 123x583467.34 |
| 19:05.50 | treke | I usually drop the resolutions a bit if I'm using two heads, easier to read and still a bit more desktop space |
| 19:05.55 | icefox | RedBeard: www.killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 19:05.59 | icefox | www.myzaurus.co |
| 19:06.00 | icefox | www.myzaurus.com |
| 19:06.12 | RedBeard | thanks |
| 19:07.38 | Neo|Work | warmi: of course you can |
| 19:07.46 | Neo|Work | warmi: I've run 1600x1200 for many years |
| 19:07.48 | icefox | http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?bw.112102/223252121 |
| 19:07.48 | icefox | &ticker=INSG |
| 19:07.53 | Neo|Work | even ran it on a 17" for a while |
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| 19:07.56 | Neo|Work | but not very long |
| 19:08.14 | George- | i want 1600x1200 on 15" |
| 19:08.16 | icefox | haha |
| 19:08.18 | Neo|Work | 3200x1200 was with two monitors |
| 19:08.22 | icefox | the winner was the Wyrann app |
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| 19:08.26 | warmi | well, you can but running that kind of resolution on 17 is nuts :-) |
| 19:08.30 | icefox | Didn't that come out way before the contest? |
| 19:09.30 | Lucas` | hey all. i have a zaurus with a full root filesystem and am unable to delete any files. I get and error saying "unable to remove <filename>: no space left on device". Anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:09.35 | treke | Lucas`: zaurus or openzaurus? |
| 19:09.42 | Lucas` | openzaurus... |
| 19:09.44 | Lucas` | jffs2 fs |
| 19:09.57 | treke | Lucas`: try restarting. If that doesnt work, you might have to reflash |
| 19:10.26 | Lucas` | can i perform a full reset? |
| 19:10.29 | Lucas` | i'm new to the zaurus.... |
| 19:10.34 | treke | Lucas`: thats what a reflash is |
| 19:10.55 | Lucas` | that does make a problem... |
| 19:11.03 | treke | why? |
| 19:11.05 | Neo|Work | warmi: note that I generally don't. I have 19 and 21 monitors |
| 19:11.11 | Lucas` | no cf reader on my computer... |
| 19:11.19 | treke | Lucas`: then your in trouble :) |
| 19:11.25 | Lucas` | the zaurus won't talk to my pc, so no way to get the rom back onto it... |
| 19:11.26 | treke | Lucas`: hope a reset works |
| 19:11.28 | Lucas` | yeup...so it seems. |
| 19:11.43 | treke | go buy a cf reader, and dont fill your filesystem again |
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| 19:12.15 | Lucas` | well...yeah i didn't do it on purpose...actually ipkg did it when trying to install something to the cf card... |
| 19:12.22 | hardwire | George? |
| 19:12.24 | Lucas` | it's not a bug that should be there, in the first place...on jffs |
| 19:12.41 | treke | Lucas`: unfortunatly it is. |
| 19:12.57 | Lucas` | so i've discovered... |
| 19:12.58 | treke | Lucas`: Its been fixed in newer releases of the kernel. But that doesnt do you any god |
| 19:13.23 | Lucas` | you mean the devel releases? |
| 19:13.33 | George- | hardwire: yes? |
| 19:14.04 | treke | Lucas`: I dont know if the fix is available in any openzaurus releases. It fixed in later releases of the Linux kernel |
| 19:14.24 | Lucas` | treke: oh i see... |
| 19:17.09 | George- | btw - anyone know why HancomWord keeps giving "bus error" on OZ 3? |
| 19:17.19 | George- | It didn't used to on OZ 2.9.5.5 |
| 19:17.29 | icefox | well right there... |
| 19:17.52 | treke | someone had tracked the problem down to the oz3 libqte |
| 19:19.50 | ljp_work | but actually the problem is hancom |
| 19:20.11 | George- | cool |
| 19:20.17 | George- | can we bomb hancom now? |
| 19:20.30 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 19:20.43 | ljp_work | hwh] |
| 19:20.52 | ljp_work | heh even |
| 19:21.09 | Com[Plex] | George-: you can solve the problem by replaceing the oz3 libqte with the sharp rom version |
| 19:21.10 | George- | well, now we have an excuse.. :) |
| 19:21.14 | treke | Sounds like hancom has already been bombed :) |
| 19:21.24 | George- | heh |
| 19:21.38 | BigBoss | but if it works on the sharp rom and not the oz rom, then it sounds like an oz problem |
| 19:21.50 | treke | BigBoss: no point arguing with him |
| 19:22.07 | treke | he'll never change his mind |
| 19:22.45 | chouimat | BigBoss: hi |
| 19:22.54 | BigBoss | hey chouimat |
| 19:23.21 | BigBoss | treke: well it seems fairly obvious, not sure how you can argue a contrary point on it, there is nothing to support the position |
| 19:23.24 | ljp_work | no, it depends on if previous versions work on the same oz |
| 19:23.39 | ljp_work | I was jesting about hancom |
| 19:23.51 | chouimat | nothing like hotdog for lunch |
| 19:23.53 | ljp_work | which is most liekly libjpeg |
| 19:23.56 | treke | BigBoss: I agree with you. But ljp wont be changin his mind |
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| 19:24.39 | numatrix | Anybody know what software this guy is talking about? http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=45778&cid=4733909 |
| 19:25.04 | BigBoss | it doesn't matter if it worked on oz before and stopped, if it is working on the sharp rom, then the app is correct |
| 19:25.23 | George- | rofl |
| 19:25.42 | ljp_work | ha! |
| 19:25.58 | numatrix | It's nobody's 'problem'. Calling it a version incompatibility would be more accurate. |
| 19:26.22 | numatrix | But I understand your point, BB, that if it works on Sharp rom, and OZ claims binary compatibility, then the burden should be more on OZ to adjust. |
| 19:26.28 | BigBoss | which get's back to weather Opie is supposed to be compatible or not |
| 19:26.33 | numatrix | Yeah. |
| 19:26.45 | ljp_work | my apps seem to run fine on both |
| 19:26.46 | George- | numatrix: He claims that he saw VR software on a Zaurus |
| 19:26.49 | BigBoss | they should change the web page to say "it might work" instead of "it's meant to work" |
| 19:26.58 | numatrix | George-: Exactly. What VR software? |
| 19:27.07 | BigBoss | your apps do, but others don't |
| 19:27.08 | George- | numatrix: ok.. erm... |
| 19:27.18 | George- | numatrix: Perhaps it was IBMs one running on Bochs? :) |
| 19:27.20 | BigBoss | I agree |
| 19:27.22 | warmi | numatrix: wasn |
| 19:27.32 | warmi | wasn't that voice recognition software .. |
| 19:27.45 | BigBoss | I talked with Trolltech about the ViaVoice in Qt again last week |
| 19:27.48 | numatrix | warmi: I know of text-to-speech on the Z, but not the reverse. |
| 19:27.48 | treke | If compatibility isnt an issue, theres plenty that can be done to make it work better |
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| 19:27.53 | warmi | mentioned in the IBM/Sharp news release from couple of weeks ago ? |
| 19:27.55 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 19:28.06 | BigBoss | supposedly IBM finished it but didn't see enough interest so didn't do anything with it |
| 19:28.07 | warmi | hi |
| 19:28.13 | numatrix | warmi: Hmm, coulda, I don't know. I didn't see it if so. Maybe that's what BB was referring to. |
| 19:28.32 | BigBoss | 2 years ago they showed ViaVoice embedded in Qt that could do command control, text to speech and speech to text |
| 19:28.43 | ljp_work | seems to me that only tkc, and apps that rely on libjpeg dont work on oz/opie |
| 19:28.47 | numatrix | Dang. Bummer they never bothered to integrate it. |
| 19:28.52 | numatrix | Or release it, whichever. |
| 19:28.54 | warmi | that's sounds great for a device like Sharp |
| 19:29.01 | BigBoss | however everyone seems to think that the full suite of viavoice is too fat to work on the Z |
| 19:29.17 | ljp_work | use mandrakes stuff, anyway |
| 19:29.18 | warmi | assuming , Zaurus can handle it |
| 19:29.19 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:29.22 | numatrix | BigBoss: yeah, but even simply stuff like navigation would be good. |
| 19:29.22 | BigBoss | ljp: then the libjpeg support in oz/opie needs to be fixed |
| 19:29.23 | treke | that would be a great feature. The stripped down voice control was great on my old nino |
| 19:29.30 | kybu | warmi hi |
| 19:29.37 | warmi | hi kybu |
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| 19:29.56 | Harlekin | ljp_work: oz does not ship libjpeg? |
| 19:29.56 | BigBoss | I would love command control and text to speech - I know there is some text to speech stuff for the Z, they were supposed to send us an SDK to try it |
| 19:30.00 | ljp_work | libjpeg is not part of opie |
| 19:30.04 | numatrix | ljp: Has anybody considered back-versioning libjpeg for OZ? |
| 19:30.09 | BigBoss | so that would be an incompatibility |
| 19:30.09 | ljp_work | harlekin: yes it does |
| 19:30.11 | Harlekin | ljp_work: we have it on ipaqs |
| 19:30.41 | ljp_work | kergoth said the libjpeg is the same from source. so maybe its something that libjpeg links with |
| 19:30.51 | warmi | BigBoss: mandrake used to work on something like that |
| 19:31.13 | warmi | he even had some sort of demo app for that Trolls contest |
| 19:31.18 | BigBoss | the full voice system would be so killer with some of our apps |
| 19:31.31 | BigBoss | what pieces did he have working? |
| 19:31.35 | ljp_work | or maybe sharp made changes to libjpeg and hasnt released it |
| 19:31.38 | warmi | of course, his was only text-to-speach |
| 19:31.47 | warmi | but with very human-like quality of voice |
| 19:31.49 | numatrix | That's nothing; flite already does that excellently. |
| 19:31.57 | BigBoss | was it using http://www.cepstral.com/demos.php? |
| 19:31.57 | warmi | nah .... not even close |
| 19:31.58 | numatrix | Ok, not quite human-like. But close. |
| 19:32.03 | icefox | More then likely Sharp did change it |
| 19:32.06 | warmi | we talking here real human voices |
| 19:32.06 | BigBoss | oh yea, Mandrake works for that company or it's his company |
| 19:32.15 | icefox | sense Sharp image viewer can now view large images |
| 19:32.18 | warmi | he works for them |
| 19:32.19 | treke | numatrix: the cepstral stuff is much better than flite :) |
| 19:32.27 | BigBoss | he was supposed to get us a demo sdk |
| 19:32.34 | BigBoss | what's his real name? |
| 19:33.03 | numatrix | icefox: Any chance of finding those source changes? What license is libjpeg under? |
| 19:33.05 | warmi | that's an interesting question :-) |
| 19:33.10 | Cloudchaser | does hancom work rely on libjpeg also? |
| 19:33.25 | treke | Geoff Harrison |
| 19:33.25 | Cloudchaser | er hancom word that is |
| 19:33.27 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: I think that issue has been narrowed down to libqte. At least partly. |
| 19:33.34 | warmi | kybu: you are they guy who wrote iQnotes app ? |
| 19:33.39 | ljp_work | probably, have you tried using the libjpeg from sharp rom? |
| 19:33.46 | Cloudchaser | no i haven't |
| 19:33.49 | George- | cool, lets add a fat text-to-speech bit onto nifty ol' IRC |
| 19:33.54 | George- | and we can make it more realistic :) |
| 19:33.54 | Harlekin | cannot _anybody_ supply a backtrace from an non working tck app? |
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| 19:34.13 | ljp_work | harlekin: they work, but widgets dont show up |
| 19:34.26 | Cloudchaser | they show up on whiteboard and memo i think |
| 19:34.29 | ljp_work | like the 'ok' and 'X' in the caption |
| 19:34.30 | numatrix | I'd be willing if I owned any of the tkc apps. :-) Maybe now's a good time to buy tkceditor. |
| 19:34.30 | Cloudchaser | not the rest though |
| 19:34.45 | ljp_work | harlekin: I have tkcEditor I could bt |
| 19:35.17 | numatrix | Hmm, I think that would be the other issue with opera as well. I had opera working on OZ except for displaying some images. |
| 19:35.19 | ljp_work | if I felt nice |
| 19:35.20 | Harlekin | ah, the broken theming idea |
| 19:35.27 | numatrix | I thought I copied over libjpeg though. |
| 19:35.29 | warmi | George: that would never work for me .. I can't have all this noise coming out of my cubicle :-) |
| 19:35.40 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 19:35.42 | George- | lol |
| 19:35.42 | kybu | warmi yes |
| 19:35.48 | George- | headphones? |
| 19:35.55 | Harlekin | actually its just a matter of time, once qtopia1.6 devices are out, tck will adapt .-), then the problems will vanish .-) |
| 19:35.56 | George- | radio earphones? |
| 19:36.03 | tux_mike | i hope this asm program works :) |
| 19:36.09 | warmi | kybu: that app seems to be extremely popular .. perhaps you should try to sell it :-) |
| 19:36.15 | George- | qtopia 1.6??? |
| 19:36.22 | numatrix | That's true. Lots of incompatibilities should be resolved in another month or so... |
| 19:36.22 | warmi | keep the source open just sell convinience of binary :-) |
| 19:36.41 | Harlekin | Opie is allready qtopia1.6 |
| 19:36.47 | Harlekin | or qtopia1.6 is opie |
| 19:36.49 | Harlekin | depends on the view |
| 19:36.57 | BigBoss | qtopia 1.6 is beta till january |
| 19:37.09 | numatrix | And the 5600 will be qtopia 1.6 and probably be timed with the 'official' release of 1.6 |
| 19:37.09 | Cloudchaser | so will sharp roms use that 1.6 then ? |
| 19:37.19 | kybu | warmi :) we had talk about that before :) but it needs some new c00l features, to push people to buy it :) |
| 19:37.22 | Cloudchaser | for the 5500? |
| 19:37.25 | Twiun | they've released the results of the insignia java contest... |
| 19:37.36 | Cloudchaser | did you win twiun? |
| 19:37.42 | tux_mike | twiun: who won? |
| 19:37.50 | numatrix | The multiplayer graphical mud game one overall. |
| 19:37.54 | numatrix | Wyvvrn or whatever. |
| 19:37.57 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: I didn't take part |
| 19:38.01 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 19:38.05 | tux_mike | you can't even pronounce that! |
| 19:38.07 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: I found the rules to be a pile of shit |
| 19:38.08 | Cloudchaser | i tried that wyvern for 5 minutes |
| 19:38.22 | numatrix | It was a crazy resource-hog. |
| 19:38.34 | Harlekin | numatrix: 5600 is not 1.6 |
| 19:38.35 | Cloudchaser | didn't work for me |
| 19:38.55 | treke | is the 5600 still 1.4? |
| 19:38.57 | Cloudchaser | well if 5600 isn't then how will the issues be resolved in a month or so? |
| 19:39.00 | icefox | What was the rules? |
| 19:39.01 | George- | 5600 looks quite cool |
| 19:39.05 | Harlekin | ljp_work: i think we should disable the tck theme stuff |
| 19:39.06 | George- | treke: 1.5. |
| 19:39.13 | George- | treke: is what the 5500 was.. :) |
| 19:39.13 | Harlekin | ljp_work: maybe then the problems vanish |
| 19:39.18 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: I have nothing against those that won... but allowing pre-existing apps to take part (and therefore not having to produce something from scratch) disadvantaged anyone without pre-existing stuff |
| 19:39.20 | warmi | kybu: not really, you already have an app that people find quite usefull ... anyway, that's your app :-) |
| 19:39.25 | Harlekin | treke: 1.4 plus sharp changes |
| 19:39.34 | Cloudchaser | Twiun: yes i agree |
| 19:39.37 | Harlekin | but much more changes then on 5500 |
| 19:39.37 | treke | George-: I've heard numerous times that the 5500 was a modified 1.4 |
| 19:39.39 | icefox | yah I noticed the winners were all apps that came out before the contest started |
| 19:39.39 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: so to me, it's a farce |
| 19:39.41 | kybu | warmi :) |
| 19:39.49 | sandman_ | Harlekin: the new appearance will allow you to leave some applications unstyled |
| 19:39.51 | Twiun | icefox: exactly |
| 19:39.52 | icefox | the 5500 and 5000 rom are modified 1.4 |
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| 19:40.10 | Harlekin | sandman_: hehe. i saw it .-) |
| 19:40.17 | Razzle | how can I find files larger than 1 MB? (busybox find doesn't support -size) |
| 19:40.30 | George- | 1.4 was ancient |
| 19:40.37 | Twiun | icefox: although if the thinlet-derived amazon browser won, the guy must have improved the performance... I'll take another look at it someday |
| 19:40.39 | Cloudchaser | sandman_: will that help the tkc issue? |
| 19:40.45 | tux_mike | warmi: i'm really digging asm. i'm gonna have to look into ARM asm. but i ended up entrenched in thought for about three hours last night to come up with 22 lines of ASM :) |
| 19:40.47 | George- | the 5500 one was more like 1.5 from cvs |
| 19:40.49 | Harlekin | sandman_: allways gave me that itch to see windows like apps on a linux pda |
| 19:40.52 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: I hope so |
| 19:40.58 | Harlekin | George-: no |
| 19:41.05 | warmi | Twium: you could say the same thing about Qt contest :-) |
| 19:41.09 | icefox | hey 22 lines of asm can be better then hundreds on normal lines... |
| 19:41.11 | George- | oh well |
| 19:41.20 | George- | i suppose i'm wrong ;) |
| 19:41.20 | icefox | warmi: which one? |
| 19:41.28 | Cloudchaser | sandman_: thanks; ) that would be great |
| 19:41.33 | Razzle | no one got any idea? |
| 19:41.45 | warmi | tux_mike: well, that is precisely why people came up with C and other stuff :-) you are supposed to limit your ASM code to about that (22 lines ) :-) |
| 19:41.54 | Harlekin | sandman_: and tck app on the fly disassembler next |
| 19:41.55 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:41.59 | Harlekin | to fix the other bugs to |
| 19:42.00 | Harlekin | o |
| 19:42.03 | warmi | icefox: the original one |
| 19:42.08 | Cloudchaser | kinda running out of time on that issue...i'll have to switch back in a week or two if its not fixed :( |
| 19:42.09 | tux_mike | warmi: i'm writing a whole program in ASM for an 8051 uC |
| 19:42.16 | tux_mike | it's fun :) |
| 19:42.18 | George- | thinlet? |
| 19:42.18 | icefox | well there were no preexisting zaurus apps then... |
| 19:42.27 | Twiun | warmi: true enough.... it only goes to show that it's all a publicity stunt |
| 19:42.30 | warmi | I think tck stuff was out there |
| 19:42.35 | tux_mike | 3 bit color processing :) |
| 19:42.35 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: I'm going to commit the appearance stuff this weekend |
| 19:42.38 | icefox | hmm |
| 19:42.41 | icefox | don't remember |
| 19:42.49 | Cloudchaser | cool, i'll test if you need someone |
| 19:42.52 | icefox | eh everyone is bitter about the first contest |
| 19:43.02 | warmi | I am not .. I actually don't have a problem with prexisting apps :-) |
| 19:43.08 | warmi | let the best app win |
| 19:43.10 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:43.16 | icefox | <cough>foot<cough> |
| 19:43.20 | icefox | <cough>froot<cough> |
| 19:43.20 | Twiun | icefox: lol... I'm almost a born cynic... so, yeah... let the best app win |
| 19:43.25 | kybu | ehm, there is some contest out? |
| 19:43.26 | tux_mike | but this is gonna be a b*tch to debugg, unless i can find an 8051 simulator for linux |
| 19:43.33 | BigBoss | is the problem with tkc apps and opie just the liquid theme or in general? |
| 19:43.36 | warmi | kybu: the java contest |
| 19:43.44 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: in general |
| 19:43.54 | Twiun | kybu: the winners have been announced |
| 19:43.57 | icefox | eh, I have yet to see much good out of wasting 5MB for the java libs |
| 19:44.00 | Cloudchaser | i tried all the themes |
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| 19:44.13 | warmi | the one where I was trying to overcome my natural hatred for client side Java and participate .. |
| 19:44.19 | Cloudchaser | whiteboard and memo display properly |
| 19:44.21 | warmi | but my hatred won |
| 19:44.23 | Twiun | kybu: there's a link to the press release: http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?bw.112102/223252121 |
| 19:44.27 | Cloudchaser | the rest don't |
| 19:44.35 | BigBoss | what about LoadRunner? |
| 19:44.37 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: even with Helvetica, 10pt and QPE window decoration ? |
| 19:44.39 | numatrix | Razzle: a really ugly hack would be something like: "ls -lR /|awk '{print $5,$9}'|grep '^[0-9]\{7,12\}\ ' |
| 19:44.50 | Cloudchaser | sec i haven't tried that one |
| 19:44.50 | warmi | tux_mike: why do you code for 8051 ? |
| 19:44.54 | BigBoss | different programmers (those other than max) did memo, whiteboard and loadrunner |
| 19:45.00 | kybu | Twiun thanx |
| 19:45.01 | warmi | anything specific about that CPU ? |
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| 19:45.07 | tux_mike | it's small |
| 19:45.18 | treke | let me try loadrunner |
| 19:45.21 | Cloudchaser | load runner displays ok |
| 19:45.32 | treke | todo doesnt. |
| 19:45.36 | Cloudchaser | rotator doesn't |
| 19:45.36 | ljp_work | BB: maybe max and sandman could get together to resolve this issue..? |
| 19:45.42 | warmi | but how is it usefull for you ? I mean X86 it is obvious .. ARM CPU - you can code for the Zaurus but 8051 ? |
| 19:45.54 | sandman_ | BigBoss: Are you using a custom window decoration ? |
| 19:46.01 | BigBoss | rotator was a different developer too |
| 19:46.04 | tux_mike | my biggest hobby is playing around with computer equipment, and i decided to challenge my self by making a program for 8051 for changing RGB LEDs in patterns :) |
| 19:46.15 | warmi | ah ok |
| 19:46.35 | warmi | well, since all ASMs are alike ( to some degree of course) |
| 19:46.40 | BigBoss | sandman_: I've got max in ICQ at the moment,I've asked him if he can come here to talk to you |
| 19:46.45 | warmi | you should have no problem picking up Intel ASM or even ARM |
| 19:46.49 | BigBoss | not sure if he is paying attention to icq though |
| 19:46.56 | tux_mike | and if all goes well, i will have the coolest mouse in the world :) |
| 19:47.02 | asys3 | warmi: hi |
| 19:47.02 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:47.26 | sandman_ | BigBoss: If you set a custom deco, you'll run into trouble on Qtopia 1.6 also |
| 19:47.46 | warmi | asys3: hi |
| 19:47.57 | BigBoss | sandman_: well, that might be true but Trolltech is very interested in not breaking BC for us, so they are testing our apps currently |
| 19:48.06 | BigBoss | 1.6 isn't going to be final for another 6 weeks at least |
| 19:48.11 | George- | Why the heck DOES tkc use custom decos? |
| 19:48.12 | asys3 | warmi: you stopped developing the chess program ? - I saw that you removed the link on your web page... |
| 19:48.25 | tux_mike | warmi: i'm ultamatley putting this into my mouse, i got the insparation from this: http://www.dynamism.com/grast/index.shtml |
| 19:48.33 | BigBoss | George-: why the heck does Opie use custom decos? |
| 19:48.50 | ljp_work | cause sandman is programming wonder |
| 19:48.52 | George- | they aren't tied down =P |
| 19:48.58 | sandman_ | BigBoss: Because ours are configureable and can be turned of ? |
| 19:49.04 | ljp_work | :D |
| 19:49.05 | Harlekin | BigBoss: because qtopia1.6 does |
| 19:49.09 | warmi | asys: I stopped developing everything for the last 4-5 months - I sent the code and everything to mark to incorporate my stuff into his chess |
| 19:49.16 | BigBoss | but the Z doesn't use Qtopia 1.6 |
| 19:49.24 | tux_mike | but that has 3 drawbacks. 1, price. 2, it's a minimouse, 3, it's using the sensor LED, which when it's on blue you have less that 50% of the resolution as it has on red |
| 19:49.26 | warmi | since both were using the same engines there was no point continuing |
| 19:49.26 | BigBoss | our software is for the Zaurus 5x series |
| 19:50.03 | asys3 | warmi: and you stopped developing everything - why ? you made very nice progs ! |
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| 19:50.22 | Cloudchaser | hiya max ;) |
| 19:50.24 | BigBoss | sandman_: there is max |
| 19:50.26 | msmax | hi |
| 19:50.29 | warmi | asys3: between my familiy and my day job I had almost no time left |
| 19:50.33 | sandman_ | msmax: hi |
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| 19:50.54 | warmi | I will be done with a project that was taking all my time sometime in January and then I will go back into coding for the Zaurus |
| 19:50.55 | asys3 | warmi: i see. same to me... |
| 19:51.23 | George- | tux_mike: why? |
| 19:51.27 | warmi | I didn't even have time for #zaurus |
| 19:51.28 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:51.51 | tux_mike | george: why do i hate people who put blue leds in the sensor for opti mice? |
| 19:51.53 | CmdrChalupa | anyone know whether the software on the XScale zaurus has been compiled for armv4l or XScale ? |
| 19:52.04 | tux_mike | it degrades performance on an A2050 by 50% |
| 19:52.04 | warmi | tux_mike: better blue than nothing |
| 19:52.38 | Harlekin | CmdrChalupa: sa |
| 19:52.39 | tux_mike | warmi: chrome added to computer equipment should never reduce it's performance |
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| 19:52.47 | warmi | yeah, that is true |
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| 19:53.28 | warmi | but , considering popularity of various themes ( Linux and XP) which are nothign but a drag on CPU, people seem to willing to put up with that |
| 19:53.39 | asys3 | i want to port a sdl-based game to the zaurus. but it's autoconf-based (that configure/make/make inst. stuff) - anybody knows how to tell the confugure skript where to find the zaurus arm-gcc, headers and libs ? |
| 19:53.43 | tux_mike | that's why i despise XP :) |
| 19:54.22 | warmi | I think you need to set your variables correctly before you even call ./configure |
| 19:54.34 | warmi | and then call it with --host and --target paremeters set |
| 19:54.52 | tux_mike | actually, i've found with autoconf you don't want to use --host or --target |
| 19:54.55 | CmdrChalupa | Harlekin: sa is the old version 4 arm stuff, right? |
| 19:55.01 | warmi | but kergoth and Neo|Work would know more about that .. you need to ask them |
| 19:55.05 | George- | tux_mike: yes |
| 19:55.13 | George- | tux_mike: why do you hate people that put blue leds in mice |
| 19:55.23 | Neo|Work | I haven't really done a whole lot of cross compilation of projects like sdl games |
| 19:55.29 | warmi | tux: it worked for me when compiling freeTDS |
| 19:55.42 | tux_mike | you want to do something like this "CFLAGS='yourflags' ./configure --config-flags arm-linux" |
| 19:55.45 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, you know a lot about SDL in general :-) |
| 19:55.51 | tux_mike | george: i said why twice :P |
| 19:55.56 | tux_mike | it degrades performance |
| 19:55.58 | tux_mike | grealty |
| 19:56.05 | George- | tux_mike: whoops :) |
| 19:56.15 | George- | tux_mike: Couldn't find in backlogs |
| 19:56.16 | tux_mike | go to agilent's web site and pull up the data sheet on the A2050 |
| 19:56.41 | tux_mike | look at the response to color chart on about page 15 or so, blue drops off dramatically |
| 19:56.45 | tux_mike | that's why red is used |
| 19:57.01 | tux_mike | IR would be used, if it wasn't a risk for eye damage |
| 19:57.13 | George- | eye damage? |
| 19:57.17 | George- | LOL |
| 19:57.24 | asys3 | warmi: thx - I already tried - but got too much errors :-( |
| 19:57.40 | warmi | asys3: well, that's the problem with automake :-) |
| 19:57.44 | Neo|Work | ok, where the fuck is my zaur |
| 19:57.46 | Neo|Work | us |
| 19:57.48 | tux_mike | a superbright IR LED can lead to eye damage |
| 19:57.56 | tux_mike | that's why Red is used |
| 19:58.40 | warmi | on the other hand if you set your variables right ... ( like that script on zauruszone.com) and call automake it should configure correctly |
| 19:58.58 | Neo|Work | I didn't bring it home yesterday because I forgot it at work. Seems like I forgot it because it's nowhere to be seen |
| 19:59.01 | warmi | the only problem is when it tries to compile small C/C++ program as a part of configure and then tries to run it |
| 19:59.21 | warmi | it will never work on X86 , that's why you need to tell configure which system you are compiling it on |
| 19:59.34 | tux_mike | warmi: if you don't use --host and --target, but just put the platform at the end it will assume cross compiling and will skip |
| 19:59.38 | CmdrChalupa | That means the new zauruses are unoptimized for their particular architecture, then |
| 19:59.46 | warmi | tux_mike: could very well be |
| 19:59.47 | treke | CmdrChalupa: right |
| 19:59.54 | warmi | that might actually be even better solution |
| 20:00.00 | Neo|Work | phew |
| 20:00.01 | Neo|Work | found it |
| 20:00.04 | Neo|Work | it had fallen to the floor |
| 20:00.23 | warmi | Neo|Work: you always looking for your Zaurus |
| 20:00.46 | warmi | oh , was it last time a SD card you lost at work ? |
| 20:00.54 | warmi | something like that |
| 20:02.06 | Neo|Work | I thought I lost my Zaurus one time before (it was in the "Wrong" pocket in my bag though) |
| 20:02.15 | Neo|Work | and yes, I did lose my 64 MB SD card once |
| 20:02.25 | Neo|Work | and I believe I have lost my 32 MB CF card |
| 20:02.28 | Neo|Work | at least I can't find it |
| 20:02.33 | George- | uhm |
| 20:04.03 | Neo|Work | why so? |
| 20:04.35 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:06.03 | Neo|Work | they are so damn small |
| 20:06.04 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 20:06.21 | warmi | well, that's the idea :-) |
| 20:07.26 | Neo|Work | I know but they are also thus easy to lose |
| 20:08.34 | tux_mike | i lost a 48 and a 32 CF card before |
| 20:08.44 | tux_mike | haven't lost my SD |
| 20:08.50 | tux_mike | because it never leaves my Z |
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| 20:10.01 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: well, mine did but it wasn't inentional. I sometimes eject it by mistake |
| 20:10.11 | Neo|Work | shortly thereafter I bought a case so the risk is much smaller now |
| 20:10.15 | [George] | stupid damn inet connection |
| 20:10.18 | [George] | takes forever to bring up |
| 20:10.31 | Neo|Work | well, you know how AOL is. ;-) |
| 20:10.44 | tux_mike | i've never had mine eject accidentally |
| 20:11.28 | [George] | Neo|Work: no, it's just that my stupid firewall keeps reiniting itself |
| 20:12.15 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: I have, as recent as the other day. obviously up to how you hold your zaurus |
| 20:12.46 | tux_mike | maybe it's since i'm left handed |
| 20:13.20 | Neo|Work | not unlikely |
| 20:13.28 | Neo|Work | my thumb tends to "sit' right on the SD |
| 20:18.05 | chouimat | BigBoss: under the sun or under a dying sun? |
| 20:18.15 | BigBoss | under the sun |
| 20:20.30 | chouimat | BigBoss: url stream? |
| 20:21.52 | BigBoss | for progrock? |
| 20:22.03 | warmi | BigBoss: what are you guys developing these days for the Zaurus ? |
| 20:22.11 | BigBoss | http://66.35.34.58:8380/ |
| 20:22.15 | warmi | any new exiting stuff in the pipeline ? |
| 20:22.21 | [George] | some guy on #kde is bitching that his duron fried after 5 secs of installing it |
| 20:22.24 | BigBoss | warmi: yep |
| 20:22.36 | BigBoss | only 2 that are imminent however |
| 20:22.44 | [George] | he fitted a k6-300 heatsink on a 1.3ghz duron!!!!!! |
| 20:22.53 | warmi | and these 2 are ?? |
| 20:23.34 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:24.06 | BigBoss | well everyone knows about tkcMail, it's behind schedule but close |
| 20:24.11 | treke | ha |
| 20:24.13 | BigBoss | the other I'm not talking about till it's done |
| 20:24.22 | warmi | ah ok |
| 20:24.30 | warmi | yeah, tkcMail will be a big hit |
| 20:24.44 | warmi | to my knowledge there is no other option |
| 20:24.56 | BigBoss | rik has really been thorough including all manner of useful things that people have asked for |
| 20:25.09 | BigBoss | it should be the definitive mobile mail client (I hope) |
| 20:25.23 | chouimat | BigBoss: any news about a gcc 3.2 version of tkwidget for aethera? |
| 20:25.33 | tux_mike | if tkcmail ever comes out :) |
| 20:25.39 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:25.57 | warmi | well, the developers do get paid for coding so it will come out |
| 20:26.26 | BigBoss | warmi: very true - this has been frustrating, but it seems there is a huge amount of disparity with IMAP servers |
| 20:26.47 | BigBoss | chouimat: should be next week, Eug just finished up the Whiteboard and Jabber plugins for Aethera today |
| 20:26.57 | BigBoss | he's doing Korganizer tomorrow, and then should be able to package next week |
| 20:27.00 | chouimat | BigBoss: imap sucks and pop3 even more |
| 20:27.18 | BigBoss | well pop3 is much easier to code than imap :) |
| 20:27.35 | chouimat | BigBoss: ok because i have the cvs source here but I don't have the right version of tkcwidgets :( |
| 20:27.57 | warmi | BigBoss: well, but imap is a must these days |
| 20:28.05 | warmi | it is so much more powerfull etc |
| 20:28.07 | tux_mike | but pop3 is so... old in thinking |
| 20:28.16 | BigBoss | warmi: which is why we are spending so much time making sure it is correct |
| 20:28.43 | chouimat | BigBoss: imaps support? |
| 20:28.54 | BigBoss | i believe so |
| 20:29.03 | tux_mike | big: are you putting GPG support in there too? |
| 20:29.15 | BigBoss | i'm not sure |
| 20:29.20 | BigBoss | the web page is up if you want to see it |
| 20:29.25 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcmail |
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| 20:29.35 | warmi | BigBoss: yeah, I know |
| 20:29.58 | warmi | hopefully, this new zaurus takes off in the enterprise so this effort with tkcMail will pay off even better |
| 20:31.23 | [George] | is that what Rik Hemsley wrote? |
| 20:31.35 | BigBoss | we've had a good number of enterprise interest so far |
| 20:31.43 | BigBoss | [George]: yes |
| 20:32.12 | chouimat|out | brb |
| 20:32.24 | [George] | BigBoss: rikkus is a very very very good coder :) |
| 20:33.40 | warmi | rikkus works for the kompany ? |
| 20:33.54 | BigBoss | yes, for about 15 months now |
| 20:34.06 | BigBoss | yes he is a good coder |
| 20:34.21 | [George] | hrmm |
| 20:34.31 | [George] | I wonder what HTML widget he used to show HTML emails |
| 20:34.32 | [George] | heh |
| 20:35.32 | warmi | khtml |
| 20:35.36 | Neo|Work | I want the Zaurus to take off among the game playing audience. :P |
| 20:35.42 | tux_mike | html email is evil |
| 20:35.45 | warmi | would be the most obvious choice but it is GPLed |
| 20:35.58 | sjborch | BigBoss: is version .24 a significant change from .21 in the tkc"Apps" |
| 20:36.18 | BigBoss | sjborch: depends on the apps |
| 20:36.21 | BigBoss | it is for player, editor and mahjongg |
| 20:36.53 | warmi | tux_mike: well, HTML is evil but it is pretty much required for a moder client |
| 20:37.02 | warmi | people send stuff in HTML all the time |
| 20:37.04 | sjborch | I'm mostly concerned with the PIM portion. |
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| 20:38.15 | BigBoss | OUtlook sends in HTML all the time, which is the problem |
| 20:39.39 | warmi | so does Eudora if you tell it to do so |
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| 20:41.04 | [George] | http://remus.softimage.net/hotmail.html |
| 20:41.06 | [George] | holy crap |
| 20:45.30 | [George] | anyone know when IBM are gonna release their 80GN 80GB 2.5" HDDs? |
| 20:48.11 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: did you install the app that has no images to RAM or SD ? |
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| 20:48.28 | jbardin | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 20:48.31 | | benmeyer is currently on #opie (5h 26m 42s) #zaurus (5h 26m 42s) #openzaurus (5h 26m 42s). Has said a total of 56 messages. Is idling for 3h 57m 8s |
| 20:48.36 | icefox | HI |
| 20:48.37 | tux_mike | george: no idea, but i want a USB bus powered one |
| 20:48.41 | Cloudchaser | sandman_: to sd card |
| 20:48.41 | icefox | that is me |
| 20:48.49 | jbardin | ooh, ibot upgraded |
| 20:49.05 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: Did you use oipkg to install it ? |
| 20:49.10 | Cloudchaser | aqpkg |
| 20:49.17 | BZFlag | jbardin: constantly. ;-) |
| 20:49.27 | jbardin | what is it written in? |
| 20:49.34 | BZFlag | ~blootbot |
| 20:49.35 | | hmm... blootbot is at http://blootbot.sf.net/, or written in perl |
| 20:49.46 | jbardin | hmm |
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| 20:50.07 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: The problems seems to be missing symlinks (e.g.: /home/Qtopia/pics/tkc/style/HOMESTEAD/HOMESTEAD_*_BMP.png) |
| 20:50.17 | BZFlag | it's nice for all the regex stuff, but a memory pig. |
| 20:50.21 | BZFlag | ~status |
| 20:50.21 | | Since Fri Nov 22 08:14:43 2002, there have been 5 modifications and 48 questions and 22 dunnos and 1 moron and 30 commands. I have been awake for 12h 35m 38s this session, and currently reference 84084 factoids. I'm using about 11936 kB of memory. |
| 20:50.44 | jbardin | jesus, 11 megs? |
| 20:51.05 | BZFlag | old infobot was around 20 meg. |
| 20:51.16 | Razzle | 1 moron lol |
| 20:51.18 | [George] | tux_mike: heh, I wanna upgrade my TiBook's ageing 30GB |
| 20:51.31 | BZFlag | now does forking for bug stuff. |
| 20:51.33 | Cloudchaser | sandman_: why are they missing? |
| 20:51.34 | BZFlag | ~dstats |
| 20:51.37 | Razzle | ~moron |
| 20:51.38 | | i don't know, Razzle |
| 20:51.38 | tux_mike | i want something to store many movies on :) |
| 20:51.55 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: ljp and me are currently investigating .. |
| 20:52.02 | warmi_away | George: I thought we discussed that issue before and you agreed that apple is basically overpiced piece of crap ? |
| 20:52.08 | warmi_away | :-) |
| 20:52.27 | Cloudchaser | sandman_: if the symlink is put in, do they then display properly? |
| 20:52.44 | BZFlag | ~moron is somone that types long lines starting with $ident ... |
| 20:52.45 | | BZFlag: okay |
| 20:52.57 | BZFlag | ~moron |
| 20:52.58 | | moron is probably somone that types long lines starting with ibot ... |
| 20:53.04 | jbardin | why woudl it take up so much memory? |
| 20:53.07 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: please wait a bit .. i'll let you know |
| 20:53.16 | Cloudchaser | ok thank you ; ) |
| 20:53.18 | BZFlag | jbardin: welcome to the land of perl. |
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| 20:54.08 | sjborch | (silly Gaim client!) |
| 20:56.58 | jbardin | thats ridlucis |
| 20:57.08 | jbardin | its like its trying to keep its entire databbank in ram |
| 20:57.26 | treke | it probably is |
| 20:58.15 | BZFlag | nope. ibot is using SQlite, mysql is also supported. |
| 20:58.23 | BZFlag | er SQLite. |
| 20:58.29 | BZFlag | ~sqlite |
| 20:58.30 | | it has been said that sqlite is a lightweight, embeddable sql server. it is rumored to be easily compiled for the ARM architecture. or at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/SqLite or ipkg install sqlite |
| 20:58.55 | Harlekin | sqlite is nice |
| 20:59.37 | Razzle | how can I search for files by size? (busybox find doesn't support -size) |
| 21:00.41 | oGMo | the FIRST thing i would want with a 64MB rom... is full gnu utils |
| 21:01.42 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: seems like a aqpkg bug .. |
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| 21:07.12 | sandman_ | an editor just doesn't make that much sense on an iPAQ though ... |
| 21:07.28 | sandman_ | wrong window |
| 21:08.13 | [George] | http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?action=info&p=25366&t=440&l=2&AvdID=1&CatID=9&GrpID=2&s=pl |
| 21:08.18 | [George] | That's a really good price :) |
| 21:08.48 | [George] | warmi_away: the tibook is not an overpriced piece of crap |
| 21:08.57 | [George] | warmi_away: It's an overpriced lump of titanium |
| 21:09.12 | warmi_away | well, that's correct .. |
| 21:09.15 | warmi_away | I was wrong |
| 21:09.19 | [George] | But anyway |
| 21:09.23 | [George] | I got about 60% off the price |
| 21:09.27 | [George] | so I'm not really complaining |
| 21:09.32 | warmi_away | it is overpriced lump of titanium |
| 21:10.07 | warmi_away | gettting apple machine at 60% off - well, you are still being ripped off but that's bearable :-) |
| 21:10.09 | tux_mike | http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P2 much better notebook |
| 21:10.14 | warmi_away | j/k |
| 21:10.45 | [George] | Fujitsu!??!?! |
| 21:10.49 | tux_mike | yes |
| 21:10.56 | [George] | oh i see |
| 21:11.01 | [George] | It runs the Crusoe... |
| 21:11.05 | [George] | So it's leet |
| 21:14.01 | [George] | http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/985/wo/KXKx82nTGOMsPQYg1x/2.7.0.3.27.1 |
| 21:14.04 | [George] | Much better |
| 21:14.10 | [George] | MUCH better than that crappy Fujitsu :) |
| 21:14.33 | tux_mike | um... no... that thing is huge compared to the fujitsu |
| 21:14.42 | [George] | so? :) |
| 21:14.49 | tux_mike | i want little |
| 21:14.55 | [George] | it's thinner =P |
| 21:15.04 | tux_mike | so |
| 21:15.09 | warmi_away | Subtotal £2,769.01 |
| 21:15.14 | warmi_away | no - thanks |
| 21:15.24 | [George] | remember, that's GBP :) |
| 21:15.29 | [George] | So about 3500 USD? :) |
| 21:15.31 | [George] | lol |
| 21:15.33 | [George] | Nice machine |
| 21:15.36 | [George] | -60% |
| 21:15.42 | [George] | About 1500 GBP |
| 21:15.48 | tux_mike | yah, and the fujitsu is 2000 with a bunch of extras |
| 21:15.54 | [George] | no.. er.. about 1300 |
| 21:16.03 | [George] | This has DVD burner |
| 21:16.09 | [George] | man, I love holy wars |
| 21:16.39 | tux_mike | i don't need a dvd burner on the road |
| 21:16.44 | Razzle | I've installed the openssh package, how can I setup a ssh server? |
| 21:20.26 | [George] | tux_mike: Uhm.. |
| 21:20.34 | [George] | tux_mike: it has a large amount of ram? |
| 21:21.05 | tux_mike | you got me there. the fujitsu has only a max of 384, and that's my only gripe with it |
| 21:21.14 | tux_mike | but 384 is very usable |
| 21:21.50 | [George] | hah |
| 21:21.57 | [George] | See, I win =P |
| 21:22.06 | [George] | Won't it take a 512MB SODIMM? |
| 21:22.16 | [George] | Pulling it up to 640MB? |
| 21:22.30 | Cloudchaser | sandman_: thanks ;) andyq is in #openzaurus :) |
| 21:22.31 | tux_mike | it uses micro sodims |
| 21:24.30 | BigBoss | i love my apple Titanium |
| 21:24.34 | BigBoss | i want to get the new one |
| 21:25.20 | BigBoss | i just finished install gentoo on my current one |
| 21:25.30 | BigBoss | now I have to figure out how to install 10.2 without killing the drive |
| 21:26.32 | [George] | BigBoss: Hah, so you admit, the Titanium is really nice! |
| 21:26.34 | [George] | Anyway |
| 21:26.36 | [George] | BigBoss: What's the WiFi like on yours? |
| 21:26.44 | levi | I had a roommate with a Titanium. It was very nice. |
| 21:27.11 | [George] | my tibook's paint is chipping all over the place, though |
| 21:27.18 | levi | I have an upgraded beige G3 I got for $300 at a surplus sale. I use it more than any of my other PCs. |
| 21:27.29 | BigBoss | I always said it was nice |
| 21:27.44 | BigBoss | I have an airport card in it that works great |
| 21:27.51 | [George] | BigBoss: btw - what's your prob with 10.2? |
| 21:27.59 | [George] | BigBoss: Mine went on OK, with no trouble |
| 21:28.04 | levi | I've got a Sony Vaio Picturebook for my laptop... got it before the current iBook line came out. |
| 21:28.38 | BigBoss | I already have linux on there and the drive is properly partitioned, but it won't display any partitions to install on |
| 21:28.48 | [George] | huh??? |
| 21:28.59 | [George] | didn't you have 10.1 on before? |
| 21:29.02 | BigBoss | I can use the installer tool on the disk to force it, but I'm afriad it's gonna hose the other partitions |
| 21:29.18 | BigBoss | yes, but I wiped the drive to put gentoo on |
| 21:29.32 | [George] | heh |
| 21:29.38 | [George] | My partition map is OK :) |
| 21:29.40 | BigBoss | i wasn't happy with debian anymore, too outdated |
| 21:29.48 | [George] | /dev/hda13 Apple_HFS Mac OS X 24890208 @ 29417520 ( 11.9G) HFS |
| 21:29.55 | [George] | /dev/hda14 Apple_HFS Mac OS 9 4297384 @ 54307728 ( 2.0G) HFS |
| 21:29.56 | BigBoss | the partition map is ok, but something needs to get initialized |
| 21:30.29 | icefox | BigBoss: what was outdated? |
| 21:33.57 | BigBoss | KDE for one |
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| 21:34.28 | BigBoss | my debian customers are all borked up because there is no official KDE3 for debian |
| 21:34.49 | treke | BigBoss: dont you just use qt? |
| 21:36.34 | [George] | treke: it's theKompany, not theQompany :) |
| 21:36.43 | warmi_away | hehehe |
| 21:37.02 | warmi_away | no, they actually develop for Qt only I belive |
| 21:37.22 | icefox | seen on /.: -- "Jesus saves, but everyone else in a 10' radius takes full damage from the fireball" |
| 21:37.23 | icefox | haha |
| 21:37.34 | warmi_away | of course, Qt only stuff will run under KDE while the opposite is not always true |
| 21:38.30 | [George] | warmi_away: staticly linked binaries? :) |
| 21:39.27 | warmi_away | well, it works |
| 21:39.40 | warmi_away | but your every app ends up being like 8 MBs |
| 21:39.57 | BigBoss | treke: I use KDE as a desktop, what like I'm gonna use Gnome? |
| 21:40.16 | BigBoss | most of our development is for Qt, but we have some KDE specific apps |
| 21:40.19 | BigBoss | it's a matter of market |
| 21:40.28 | [George] | warmi_away: any different from the Windoze world? 8MB binaries? :) |
| 21:40.35 | chouimat | [George]: you're not my type :) |
| 21:41.09 | treke | BigBoss: No. I'm referring to your customers being borked. I had thought your pps were for qt only, which debian stable does have. As for desktops, thats a nother story. and not likely to change for a year or two :) |
| 21:41.13 | warmi_away | George: yeah,. but these have 8 MB worth of app specific code |
| 21:41.17 | warmi_away | not MFC code |
| 21:41.36 | treke | then again, until woody, I dont think kde was even available |
| 21:41.38 | BigBoss | Kapital is a specific issue because it is a KDE app |
| 21:41.54 | BigBoss | now you've got Lindows using KDE3 on debian |
| 21:42.07 | warmi_away | anyway, I remember that was asked and answered on this channel ... does anyone know if Zaurus version of qte supports qt xml functionality ? |
| 21:42.08 | BigBoss | Xandros will likely go to KDE 3.1 when it is available, also a debian distro |
| 21:43.08 | BigBoss | I hear debian die hards saying KDE3 is too unstable, but it's way better than the last KDE2x was |
| 21:43.17 | chouimat | treke: stupidity? |
| 21:43.32 | warmi_away | hehe .. |
| 21:43.35 | chouimat | BigBoss: kde head is stable |
| 21:43.48 | [George] | warmi_away: hah |
| 21:43.56 | warmi_away | Debian folks never really supported KDE |
| 21:44.04 | warmi_away | at one point they were openly hostile |
| 21:44.14 | BigBoss | I don't think that has entirely gone away |
| 21:44.17 | Pendalar | anyone outside RH never really supported KDE ;-) |
| 21:44.21 | BigBoss | can't get over Qt being gpl |
| 21:44.24 | icefox | bla, well once gcc 3.2 fully works then 3.1 will be incorperated |
| 21:44.36 | treke | actually, it doesnt look like kde is even being maintained... |
| 21:44.37 | icefox | rh barly supports kde |
| 21:44.46 | icefox | treke: are you trolling? |
| 21:44.48 | BigBoss | well gcc 3.2 is here in the latest distros by rh, suse and mdk, so if you don't work with that, you are borked |
| 21:44.52 | treke | icefox: no |
| 21:44.52 | chouimat | rh sucks |
| 21:44.53 | warmi_away | frankly, I think everyone but RH and Debian supports KDE |
| 21:45.07 | BigBoss | warmi is correct |
| 21:45.23 | Pendalar | well RH uses KDE by default and most of the tutorials mention how to use k* to do this or that |
| 21:45.26 | warmi_away | how about gentoo |
| 21:45.27 | warmi_away | ? |
| 21:45.28 | BigBoss | i still think RH's moves to "unify" gnome and kde was designed to make kde suck so people wouldn't want to use it |
| 21:45.35 | chouimat | BigBoss: I use gentoo, am I borked? |
| 21:45.36 | Pendalar | but that isn't necessarily 'supporting' it |
| 21:45.44 | warmi_away | does it have any policy regarding KDE ? |
| 21:45.51 | icefox | wel rh pays a lot of gnome guys so it is only fair that they eat there own dog food |
| 21:45.53 | [George] | BigBoss: btw - do you use the region free hacks for the tibook? |
| 21:45.53 | *** part/#zaurus warmi_away (~a3c01503@dsl-64-194-208-133.telocity.com) |
| 21:45.54 | icefox | but still |
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| 21:46.26 | treke | icefox: It looked like it was unmaintianed to me. lots of packages owned by debian qa |
| 21:46.28 | icefox | But the theme was a good thing |
| 21:46.39 | icefox | the deb packages? |
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| 21:46.45 | icefox | ther 2.x series? |
| 21:46.52 | treke | yes |
| 21:46.58 | BigBoss | warmi: gentoo has the latest KDE in their package system |
| 21:47.06 | icefox | As for that I doubt there will be another kde2 release |
| 21:47.07 | BigBoss | george: not understanding it |
| 21:47.23 | icefox | and the kde3 release is waiting for gcc 3.2 and until then it will be hosted at debian.kde.org |
| 21:47.27 | treke | icefox: yes, but the packages arent specific to kde3 |
| 21:47.41 | [George] | BigBoss: Have you hacked your DVD player so that it is region free? |
| 21:47.41 | treke | ah. so they are waiting on gcc 3.2 |
| 21:47.57 | icefox | yah |
| 21:48.07 | icefox | so that they don't have 2 sets of packages in the tree |
| 21:48.15 | BigBoss | [George]: I didn't see a need to since I am in the US |
| 21:48.23 | icefox | well they are awaiting for gcc 3.2 to work fully on all 11 platforms before they use it |
| 21:48.24 | warmi_away | well,I used to compile KDE on my own so I didn't care all that much about official support in RH but these days KDE is just too large and takes too much time to compile . |
| 21:48.28 | [George] | BigBoss: oh |
| 21:48.34 | treke | icefox: its gonna be a while then :) |
| 21:48.36 | BigBoss | icefox: gcc 3.2 is done as far as the distro's are concerned, what is KDE waiting for |
| 21:48.45 | icefox | KDE isn't waiting for anything |
| 21:48.51 | icefox | I use gcc 3.2 with kde |
| 21:48.54 | treke | BigBoss: debian still hasnt made the move to 3.2 in unstable |
| 21:49.08 | icefox | as for debian, debian is waiting for all fo the gcc bugs to get fixed that are non i386 |
| 21:49.08 | chouimat | icefox: yup a btter c++ compiler |
| 21:49.33 | icefox | sense they support a lot more then i386 |
| 21:49.40 | icefox | but this is more for #debian |
| 21:49.46 | warmi_away | how about gcc 3.2 for arm ? is it already out ? |
| 21:49.52 | icefox | yes |
| 21:49.56 | icefox | kergoth build a rom |
| 21:49.56 | chouimat | warmi_away: yes |
| 21:49.59 | icefox | fast |
| 21:50.03 | icefox | very sweet |
| 21:50.10 | [George] | is there a fucking way I can get a x-devel env for PPC? |
| 21:50.12 | icefox | later |
| 21:50.18 | warmi_away | uh , for that ROM one would need to recompiling just about everything |
| 21:50.18 | [George] | (ie - host=ppc, target=arm) |
| 21:50.25 | warmi_away | I mean, no app would work with that ROM |
| 21:50.36 | BigBoss | thank god ben is finally gone |
| 21:50.37 | BigBoss | :) |
| 21:50.51 | [George] | BigBoss: heh, why? :) |
| 21:51.28 | chouimat | [George]: get oz bk and choose build the compiler :) you would probably need to fix the build system to add ppc |
| 21:51.40 | [George] | ahhh shit |
| 21:51.43 | [George] | NO WAY am I doing that |
| 21:51.47 | [George] | NO FUCKING WAY :) |
| 21:52.04 | chouimat | [George]: we don't have PowePC so we can't support it |
| 21:52.07 | [George] | any other suggestions? :) |
| 21:52.29 | chouimat | [George]: www.billgatliff.com |
| 21:52.31 | [George] | I don't have PowePC either :) |
| 21:52.54 | BigBoss | just kidding |
| 21:52.57 | BigBoss | ben's a good kid |
| 21:53.08 | chouimat | [George]: so why you want such support |
| 21:53.43 | warmi_away | ljp_work: are you around ? |
| 21:53.47 | [George] | I have a PowerPC =P |
| 21:54.07 | warmi_away | bigBoss: how old is he ? |
| 21:54.09 | chouimat | must reboot |
| 21:54.39 | BigBoss | about 22 I believe |
| 21:54.50 | BigBoss | maybe a couple years older |
| 21:54.59 | [George] | oh yeh, and will gcc 3.2 compile gcc 2.95.3 OK? |
| 21:55.04 | [George] | Cos I have 3.2 final... |
| 21:55.26 | warmi_away | oh, that's young |
| 21:55.43 | warmi_away | well, at least compared to me .. like 10 years younger :-) |
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| 21:55.50 | [George] | I'm 14 |
| 21:55.57 | treke | we can tell |
| 21:56.03 | BigBoss | no surprise there |
| 21:56.06 | [George] | No, you think I'm 7 |
| 21:56.11 | BigBoss | that's true |
| 21:56.12 | BigBoss | :) |
| 21:56.18 | warmi_away | heheh |
| 21:56.20 | angry | hi all |
| 21:56.21 | treke | cant argue with that |
| 21:56.27 | warmi_away | hi angry |
| 21:56.45 | [George] | well anyway |
| 21:56.55 | [George] | I downloaded this toolchain for PowerPC -> ARM |
| 21:57.01 | [George] | and when I try to run a hello world app |
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| 21:57.04 | [George] | on the Z |
| 21:57.11 | [George] | it complains about the lack of libstdc++ |
| 21:57.15 | [George] | is this NORMAL? |
| 21:57.16 | BigBoss | you're too young to be messing with this stuff, you should be trying to get porn at the liquor store |
| 21:57.35 | [George] | BigBoss: Grrrr |
| 21:57.36 | warmi_away | haha |
| 21:57.51 | BigBoss | I didn't start programming till I was 15, but that was 1978, harder to get a computer then |
| 21:57.52 | [George] | You want me to go back to Visual Basic? |
| 21:57.59 | treke | [George]: make sure your are using gcc as the linker and not g++ |
| 21:58.08 | [George] | treke: how? :) |
| 21:58.09 | BigBoss | at 14 we would crank call girls and ride our bikes around |
| 21:58.19 | [George] | heh |
| 21:58.26 | treke | [George]: look in the makefile. I believe LD is the variable |
| 21:58.41 | [George] | I just did g++ ./main.cpp -o main |
| 21:58.46 | [George] | There was no make :) |
| 21:59.06 | treke | well thats probably part of the problem :) |
| 21:59.09 | [George] | er.. |
| 21:59.14 | [George] | arm-linux-g++ |
| 21:59.32 | warmi_away | no , he is rigth,. use gcc |
| 21:59.33 | chouimat | BigBoss: I was playing with basic09 at 14 |
| 21:59.46 | [George] | warmi_away: And what do I do about C++ apps? |
| 21:59.47 | warmi_away | otherwise your app will automatically get linked with libstdc |
| 21:59.54 | warmi_away | doesn't matter |
| 21:59.59 | warmi_away | gcc will handle cpp stuff |
| 22:00.04 | [George] | nifty |
| 22:00.12 | [George] | So I have a working x-devel env? |
| 22:00.18 | warmi_away | you asking me ? |
| 22:00.26 | angry | anybody have any idea of the best CF 802.11b card to ge tnow |
| 22:00.26 | [George] | It's just that I'm such a complete moron that I borked up compile? |
| 22:00.31 | [George] | YIPPEE! |
| 22:00.58 | Neo|Work | oh, such l33t java code I have |
| 22:01.00 | warmi_away | 4 ??? |
| 22:01.06 | [George] | yeh |
| 22:01.06 | warmi_away | that's a lot |
| 22:01.09 | [George] | I know |
| 22:01.12 | angry | i've got like 5 |
| 22:01.26 | [George] | I have 2 Zs |
| 22:01.28 | [George] | 1 with 4 |
| 22:01.29 | warmi_away | well, I am too blind to notice stuff like that |
| 22:01.30 | [George] | 1 with 0 |
| 22:01.45 | chouimat | bad mental image [George] doeing the " I'm a fat idiot" dance |
| 22:02.24 | chouimat | [George]: the site i give you will answer all your question about cross-compiler |
| 22:03.51 | [George] | root@titanium Zaurus # arm-linux-gcc -o main main.cpp |
| 22:03.52 | [George] | /tmp/cc6ZAusv.o: In function `main': |
| 22:03.52 | [George] | /tmp/cc6ZAusv.o(.text+0x14): undefined reference to `ostream::operator<<(char const *)' |
| 22:03.52 | [George] | /tmp/cc6ZAusv.o(.text+0x28): undefined reference to `cout' |
| 22:03.52 | [George] | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 22:03.57 | [George] | oh GREAT one |
| 22:04.17 | treke | are you using cout? |
| 22:04.19 | *** join/#zaurus ibz (~Ibz@host217-35-6-243.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 22:04.19 | angry | where's that page with the comparison chart of 802.11b CF cards on the Z |
| 22:04.23 | treke | (cant use it on the zaurus) |
| 22:04.37 | [George] | treke: what??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 22:04.52 | treke | [George]: Its part of the standard c++ library, it isnt avaialble |
| 22:04.52 | warmi_away | George: if you don't link with stdc then don't use stdc features :-) |
| 22:05.12 | warmi_away | just use printf(...) |
| 22:05.39 | *** join/#zaurus SillyZ1 (~james@lnk-24-169-246-61.neb.rr.com) |
| 22:05.51 | [George] | OK, hello works :) |
| 22:05.59 | SillyZ1 | greetings |
| 22:06.11 | warmi_away | SillyZ |
| 22:06.13 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 22:06.15 | warmi_away | hi |
| 22:06.17 | SillyZ1 | :) |
| 22:06.37 | warmi_away | treke: looks like his "hello world" worked all too well |
| 22:06.41 | *** join/#zaurus edgar (~bob@66.92.74.197) |
| 22:06.43 | edgar | why isn't qhttp included in qpe? |
| 22:06.48 | warmi_away | took his entire machine down |
| 22:07.04 | SillyZ1 | just got me zaurus 5500 |
| 22:07.17 | warmi_away | SillyZ1: and ?? what' do you think ? |
| 22:07.20 | warmi_away | like it ? |
| 22:07.45 | SillyZ1 | how is optie vs the stock zaurus ? |
| 22:07.51 | ljp_work | sillyZ: just keep the blue smoke _in_ the zaurus. blue smoke makes it run! |
| 22:07.55 | SillyZ1 | like it? bah.... LOVE IT |
| 22:08.10 | SillyZ1 | blue smoke ? |
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| 22:08.28 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 22:08.35 | ljp_work | ahhh.. grasshopper.. you didnt get my jest |
| 22:08.38 | warmi_away | don't listen to ljp_work |
| 22:08.59 | warmi_away | you can listen as long as he talks about coding etc .. |
| 22:09.05 | warmi_away | anything else, just disregard :-) |
| 22:09.33 | warmi_away | ljp_work: I have a question for you .. in OPIE, you guys are using libxml ? |
| 22:09.44 | tux_mike | warmi: you've been away all this time, yet talking? :) |
| 22:10.02 | treke | warmi_away: theres the XMLTree class |
| 22:10.14 | warmi_away | tux_mike: I was away for a while .. then came back and forgot to change my nick back |
| 22:10.26 | warmi_away | treke: is that Trolls code ? |
| 22:10.39 | treke | nope, from simon hausmann |
| 22:10.50 | warmi | do you know what kind of license is it under ? |
| 22:10.59 | treke | LGPL |
| 22:11.14 | warmi | if it is GPL then I might just as well go and get trolls dom and xml classes and incorporate that into my app |
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| 22:11.48 | warmi | qxml.cpp and qdom.cpp |
| 22:11.53 | warmi | perhaps I should do just that |
| 22:13.42 | warmi | uh I found XMLTree but it refers to GTK widget :-) |
| 22:13.46 | warmi | I guess that's not the one |
| 22:13.52 | treke | its in the opie source :) |
| 22:14.12 | warmi | ah ok |
| 22:14.25 | warmi | thanks, I will check it out |
| 22:14.25 | treke | I think its KDE derived, but not sure |
| 22:17.33 | warmi | oh yeah, I found it |
| 22:17.37 | warmi | looks really simple |
| 22:17.41 | warmi | but that's what I want |
| 22:18.29 | warmi | treke: you know what ... |
| 22:18.35 | warmi | it has "#include <qxml.h>" at the top :-) |
| 22:19.01 | treke | ha |
| 22:19.29 | warmi | so I guess, Zaurus qpe does have qxml |
| 22:19.34 | warmi | they are missing qdom |
| 22:19.57 | warmi | Wintre: are you around ? |
| 22:20.09 | treke | looks like there are some things that are there |
| 22:20.21 | warmi | yeah, some of it is in |
| 22:21.37 | treke | doesnt look like much though, just some includes |
| 22:21.48 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 22:21.57 | warmi | yeah |
| 22:25.14 | *** join/#zaurus badalex (~badalex@cpe-66-1-177-91.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 22:25.49 | SillyZ1 | how do ya like opte vs the default zaurus ?? |
| 22:26.51 | warmi | I never tried OPIE on the zaurus itself |
| 22:27.00 | ljp_work | I like opie |
| 22:27.05 | SillyZ1 | how do ya like the opte vs the zaurus defualt ? ? |
| 22:27.10 | warmi | but I did try it on x86 emulator and it has more apps etc |
| 22:27.12 | SillyZ1 | .quit |
| 22:27.15 | ljp_work | oz needs work, but opie rocks |
| 22:27.20 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:27.26 | *** join/#zaurus SillyZ_ (~james@lnk-24-169-246-61.neb.rr.com) |
| 22:27.33 | SillyZ_ | sorry bout that |
| 22:27.34 | ljp_work | oh he didnt see that |
| 22:27.37 | ljp_work | oz needs work, but opie rocks |
| 22:27.53 | badalex | ljp_work: i think oz could use a little work, but opie could use lots of work |
| 22:27.53 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:28.02 | TheMasterMind1 | oz rocks, but opie needs tons of work |
| 22:28.08 | SillyZ_ | hmm |
| 22:28.16 | SillyZ_ | maybe ill stick with the zaurus defualt then |
| 22:28.19 | SillyZ_ | :) |
| 22:28.22 | badalex | TheMasterMind1: yeah... :) opie is cool, just... needs work... |
| 22:28.25 | treke | TheMasterMind1: Dont make me hurt you |
| 22:28.26 | warmi | ibot OZ |
| 22:28.26 | | [oz] see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus |
| 22:28.32 | warmi | ibot OPIE |
| 22:28.32 | | it has been said that opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect |
| 22:28.32 | SillyZ_ | itll run most opie apps wont it ? |
| 22:28.47 | ljp_work | no no no no.. it's _oz_ that needs work |
| 22:29.10 | badalex | ljp_work: lol, they both do |
| 22:29.19 | treke | its quite definitly oz. OPIE is perfect |
| 22:29.22 | warmi | SillyZ_: well, in the interest of fairness we should mention that ljp_work is one of the main guys involved with OPIE :-) |
| 22:29.35 | badalex | treke:... perferc? |
| 22:29.54 | ljp_work | shhhh |
| 22:29.55 | treke | badalex: yup |
| 22:29.59 | badalex | it crashed on me too much, i like never have to restart qtopia... |
| 22:30.08 | badalex | but opie every day was like, crash.... |
| 22:30.28 | ljp_work | thats oz crashing, not opie |
| 22:30.41 | TheMasterMind1 | my ass it is |
| 22:30.42 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 22:30.46 | badalex | lol |
| 22:30.59 | badalex | ljp_work: i dissagree becasue i could still ssh into my z |
| 22:31.03 | warmi | internally OPIE is not all that different than Qtopia , save for new themes etc .. |
| 22:31.08 | badalex | then i would just kill opie and restart it |
| 22:31.10 | warmi | it is apps that make it so much better |
| 22:31.18 | ljp_work | opie doesnt crash on familiar |
| 22:31.25 | SillyZ_ | well Im glad to see that this is actually going somewhere unlike other devices like *coff coff* Agenda's VR3 |
| 22:32.02 | warmi | SillyZ_: actually, the destination is the same .. Sharp is just taking a differnt, longer road |
| 22:32.05 | warmi | j/k |
| 22:32.11 | warmi | :-) |
| 22:32.55 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@m10-mp1.cvx2-a.bre.dial.ntli.net) |
| 22:33.00 | George- | I'm BACK to annoy you all |
| 22:33.03 | George- | mwahahahahahaha |
| 22:33.06 | George- | <evil laugh> |
| 22:33.15 | chouimat | We're doomed George- is back |
| 22:33.41 | George- | where do I get the source for the Qtopia/Qte present on the Sharp ROM? |
| 22:33.50 | warmi | George: your "hello world" app took your machine down ? |
| 22:33.57 | warmi | George-: nowhere |
| 22:34.04 | George- | (or for that matter, how do I compile a Qt app that'll run on both the Sharp ROM and the OZ rom) |
| 22:34.20 | ljp_work | uhh just compile it for arm |
| 22:34.23 | warmi | as far as I understand Sharp never released the source code for their own modifications to the standard QPE |
| 22:34.35 | George- | warmi: Yeh, my hello world app was soo lleeetttt! It called function h4x0r_my_b0x3n() :) |
| 22:34.37 | SillyZ_ | I did some work on the VR3's was rather digusted to see that it went no where |
| 22:34.50 | George- | ljp_work: how do I compile qte etc? |
| 22:35.04 | ljp_work | just grab the qropia sdk |
| 22:35.12 | *** join/#zaurus kendrick2 (nbs@bolt.sonic.net) |
| 22:35.35 | angry | whose site was it that had the comparison of zaurus 802.11b cf cards |
| 22:35.58 | kendrick2 | ibot: wlan |
| 22:35.59 | | kendrick2: are you smoking crack? |
| 22:36.01 | George- | ljp_work: I'm on PowerPC |
| 22:36.19 | badalex | ibot wifi |
| 22:36.19 | | wifi is, like, see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com |
| 22:36.25 | George- | ibot: kendrick2 is to be respected. FULL STOP |
| 22:36.25 | | ...but kendrick2 is already something else... |
| 22:36.45 | badalex | ibot wireless |
| 22:36.46 | | wireless is, like, The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 22:36.48 | George- | hrmm, are buy.com paying ibot to advertise? |
| 22:36.55 | Bovine | heh |
| 22:36.55 | badalex | lol |
| 22:37.07 | George- | no seriously. |
| 22:37.18 | angry | thanks badalex, and you ibot |
| 22:37.20 | angry | ibot botsnack |
| 22:37.20 | | :) |
| 22:37.33 | warmi | kendrick2: talking about your games ? |
| 22:37.34 | George- | <ibot> wifi is, like, see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com |
| 22:37.40 | BZFlag | George-: no. just people adding the info. |
| 22:37.41 | badalex | angry: lol, np |
| 22:38.02 | BZFlag | ~factinfo wifi |
| 22:38.02 | | wifi -- last modified 1d 17h 22m 2s ago by TheMasterMind1; it has been requested 10 times, last by badalex, 1m 43s ago. |
| 22:38.11 | George- | Anyone thought about shoving an ATI Imageon (or whatever their silly gfx card is) into a Z? |
| 22:38.12 | George- | :) |
| 22:39.42 | kendrick2 | warmi - no, talking about Linux & LUGs |
| 22:39.47 | warmi | ah ok |
| 22:39.48 | kendrick2 | i'll be sure to plug my games, Zaurus, etc. :) |
| 22:39.54 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:40.14 | kendrick2 | i was on WOPN last week :) |
| 22:40.22 | kendrick2 | talking about my warez & tux paint |
| 22:40.37 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:41.30 | George- | well anyway |
| 22:41.35 | George- | Any Zaurus x-dev gurus here? |
| 22:41.37 | George- | (seriously) |
| 22:41.44 | kendrick2 | x-dev? like x-window? |
| 22:41.49 | warmi | what is x-dev ? |
| 22:41.53 | kendrick2 | oh CROSS-dev |
| 22:41.54 | kendrick2 | heheh |
| 22:42.03 | kendrick2 | dsa (damned stupid acronyms) |
| 22:42.09 | George- | lol |
| 22:42.12 | Dessimat0r | someone who helped in making the Zaurus |
| 22:42.13 | warmi | could very well be 'xxx-dev ' |
| 22:42.16 | warmi | who knows |
| 22:42.16 | Dessimat0r | ex-development |
| 22:42.31 | kendrick2 | bigboss has some pr0n development background on the z i think ;) |
| 22:43.03 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:43.04 | warmi | heh |
| 22:43.09 | kendrick2 | (by, you know, mentiong it at all :) ) |
| 22:43.17 | George- | ibot qtopia 1.6 |
| 22:43.18 | | George-: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:43.21 | George- | ibot qtopia |
| 22:43.21 | | qtopia is, like, the new name for QPE and it is at qpe.sourceforge.net or a more well developed and binary compatable fork of qtopia is opie |
| 22:43.26 | Dessimat0r | the Zaurus would be good for getting those extra... kicks... at work ;) (through mplayer and the use of sexually oriented videos) |
| 22:43.43 | Dessimat0r | sound is not required ;) |
| 22:43.51 | George- | Dessimat0r: I thought you were still at school? =P |
| 22:43.56 | Dessimat0r | i am ;) |
| 22:44.00 | Dessimat0r | I'm in college |
| 22:44.09 | George- | In UK, right? |
| 22:44.11 | Dessimat0r | Was just giving you ideas ;) |
| 22:44.12 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 22:44.18 | kendrick2 | oh shit |
| 22:44.20 | kendrick2 | live audience! |
| 22:44.24 | George- | Me.. Ideas.. About WORK??? |
| 22:44.28 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 22:44.48 | Dessimat0r | me neither |
| 22:44.49 | Dessimat0r | thank god |
| 22:44.52 | Dessimat0r | not yet, anyway |
| 22:44.55 | Dessimat0r | only college |
| 22:45.18 | George- | =P |
| 22:45.18 | George- | Just Kidding =P |
| 22:45.20 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 22:45.31 | George- | nah, I'm still at school |
| 22:45.31 | George- | heh |
| 22:46.12 | George- | warmi: you alive? |
| 22:46.44 | warmi | yeah, somewhat |
| 22:47.13 | George- | warmi: What source code do I get then to compile my own Qt/QPE/Opie apps? |
| 22:47.18 | George- | warmi: qte-2.3.2 and...? |
| 22:47.25 | TheMasterMind1 | don't use 2.3.2 |
| 22:47.32 | warmi | qtopia 1.4 I think |
| 22:47.44 | warmi | you basically need qte and qtopia source code |
| 22:47.48 | TheMasterMind1 | grab the oz buildroot |
| 22:47.49 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 22:48.05 | George- | TheMasterMind1: Look, OK, I'm not on a FAT T3 PIPE |
| 22:48.15 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:48.18 | George- | I'm on 56k |
| 22:48.21 | George- | OK? :) |
| 22:48.24 | TheMasterMind1 | sucks to be you |
| 22:48.26 | TheMasterMind1 | bheh |
| 22:48.33 | George- | I'm 14, and I can't AFFORD ANYTHING MORE |
| 22:48.43 | TheMasterMind1 | i turn 16 on sunday |
| 22:48.43 | treke | sell your tibook |
| 22:48.48 | warmi | George-: check this out :http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php/BuildingQtForOpie |
| 22:49.15 | George- | warmi: thanks so much :) |
| 22:54.39 | *** join/#zaurus ibot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 22:54.39 | *** topic/#zaurus is Sharp 5000d/5500/5600/A300/C700/etc Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ | http://MyZaurus.com/ | OpenZaurus questions, join #openzaurus | OpenZaurus 3.0 is released! | SL-5600 has been announced. | NEW: screenshots section added to openzaurus.org | sick of ipkg bugs? try out the new bugfree version at http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ipks/ (bitch at TMM1 if you find any bugs) |
| 22:54.40 | br33zy | sugar give br33zy beer |
| 22:54.46 | br33zy | :) |
| 22:54.51 | George- | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/cvs.snapshots/20021122.tar.bz2 |
| 22:54.54 | Pendalar | hey br33zy |
| 22:54.55 | George- | Will that be recent enough? |
| 22:54.55 | br33zy | underage drinking heh.. |
| 22:55.00 | br33zy | hey Pendalar |
| 22:55.11 | George- | badalex: hrmm, and I thought 667 MHz was bad |
| 22:55.18 | badalex | br33zy: its not underage unless you get caught... |
| 22:55.21 | badalex | George-: lol |
| 22:55.27 | br33zy | heh |
| 22:55.33 | *** part/#zaurus kendrick2 (nbs@bolt.sonic.net) |
| 22:55.35 | badalex | George-: but i do have broadband... |
| 22:55.48 | badalex | and my 350 works just fine with linux on it :) |
| 22:56.00 | George- | badalex: heh |
| 22:58.45 | George- | OK, Why the FUCKKKK!!! has Opie download stalled at 666.6KB???? |
| 22:59.31 | Pendalar | because, it's a special number |
| 22:59.39 | badalex | lol |
| 23:00.14 | George- | except for treke |
| 23:00.55 | warmi | yeah, don't download stuff from possessed ftp servers |
| 23:01.28 | George- | warmi: damn right it's possessed! |
| 23:03.05 | *** join/#zaurus KotH (blub@adsl-249-97-zh2.tiscali.ch) |
| 23:03.06 | KotH | re |
| 23:03.30 | George- | KotH: Are you an Opie developer? |
| 23:03.56 | *** join/#zaurus lars_g (~lars@200.62.10.54) |
| 23:04.03 | lars_g | Greetings crowd |
| 23:04.21 | lars_g | Hmm the big boss is not on :( |
| 23:04.30 | lars_g | ibot: seen bigboss? |
| 23:04.31 | | bigboss <~shawn@ip68-4-243-218.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 1h 6m 22s ago, saying: 'at 14 we would crank call girls and ride our bikes around'. |
| 23:04.52 | George- | dick head :) |
| 23:05.02 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:05.02 | Cloudchaser | scuse me? |
| 23:05.06 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:05.22 | George- | Cloudchaser: sorry |
| 23:05.28 | George- | Cloudchaser: Just a bit of anger :) |
| 23:05.48 | lars_g | ?? |
| 23:05.58 | lars_g | That was not directed to me I hope :) |
| 23:06.07 | George- | lars_g: it's nothing personal |
| 23:06.22 | lars_g | George-: So that's a yes... good I feel so warm.. so welcome |
| 23:06.31 | lars_g | :) |
| 23:06.47 | lars_g | I'm not taking personal, it takes more than that with me. do not worry. |
| 23:06.52 | George- | lars_g: it's just that the quote of BigBoss was directed at me |
| 23:07.04 | lars_g | lol |
| 23:07.09 | KotH | George-: nope, i'm from the mplayer project |
| 23:07.10 | Cloudchaser | i think it was a joke George- |
| 23:07.31 | *** join/#zaurus linfelw_ (~linfel@pool-141-158-1-46.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:07.31 | George- | Cloudchaser: I know, hence the smiley after d*** head |
| 23:07.46 | George- | Cloudchaser: heh |
| 23:07.49 | badalex | later |
| 23:07.51 | *** part/#zaurus badalex (~badalex@cpe-66-1-177-91.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 23:07.53 | Cloudchaser | they didn't have coputers when he was 14 |
| 23:07.55 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 23:08.04 | treke | Cloudchaser: he isnt that old :) |
| 23:08.08 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:08.09 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 23:08.11 | Cloudchaser | i am |
| 23:08.12 | George- | KotH: Good, cos I'm going about killing all Opie developers |
| 23:08.19 | Cloudchaser | they had computers, but not pc's |
| 23:08.21 | warmi | he is like 39 or so |
| 23:08.22 | George- | Cloudchaser: he's not like 90 years old |
| 23:08.23 | KotH | George-: what the heck is opie ? |
| 23:08.31 | George- | Cloudchaser: You forgot ENIAC |
| 23:08.34 | warmi | ibot opie |
| 23:08.34 | | somebody said opie was the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect |
| 23:08.37 | George- | :) |
| 23:08.44 | Cloudchaser | whats eniac? |
| 23:08.49 | George- | KotH: AHH,.. Bad cover up |
| 23:08.58 | George- | ;) |
| 23:09.07 | lars_g | Cloudchaser: was that a joke? |
| 23:09.16 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 23:09.23 | George- | Cloudchaser: You don't know ENIAC? |
| 23:09.28 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 23:09.38 | George- | arrrghhh |
| 23:09.44 | George- | IBOT EDUCATE CLOUDCHASER |
| 23:09.45 | | i don't know, George- |
| 23:09.55 | lars_g | ENIAC was a huge computer based on vacum tubes. |
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| 23:10.14 | Cloudchaser | oh, i probly saw one, just didn't know what it was called |
| 23:10.18 | George- | and was also apparently the first computer ever |
| 23:10.18 | George- | But it wasn't |
| 23:10.23 | George- | England got there first =P |
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| 23:10.39 | George- | Cloudchaser: You won't have seen it, I don't think |
| 23:10.45 | Cloudchaser | nah i'm kidding |
| 23:10.54 | lars_g | It is credited as the first computer in the world based on the Von Neumann theory |
| 23:10.56 | Dessimat0r | ENIAC was developed at the University of Manchester in England ;) |
| 23:10.57 | George- | Cloudchaser: When he says huge, he means *HUGE* |
| 23:11.12 | George- | Dessimat0r: No it wasn't |
| 23:11.21 | lars_g | Wrong Dessimat0r |
| 23:11.22 | George- | Dessimat0r: I don't think so anyway... |
| 23:11.24 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 23:11.27 | BZFlag | ibot educate Cloudchaser |
| 23:11.28 | | ACTION teaches Cloudchaser the basics, including how to RTM. |
| 23:11.32 | lars_g | It was developed at the university of Pennsilvanya |
| 23:11.38 | George- | Dessimat0r: I thought it was the Manchester University Mark I that was developed at Manchester =P |
| 23:11.50 | Dessimat0r | ah ;) |
| 23:11.56 | Cloudchaser | anyway.. there weren't pc's that we had access to when we were 14 |
| 23:12.06 | Cloudchaser | just sex and drugs and rock and roll |
| 23:12.12 | George- | and the Manchester University Mark 1 was superior to ENIAC, simply cos it was english :) |
| 23:12.17 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:12.24 | lars_g | The Von Neumann Propossal parallel or seconded to that of Alan M. Turing proposed a generic use calculating machine, that could be set (programmed) to perform diferent tasks depending on instructions fed to it. |
| 23:12.48 | lars_g | It was an advance from the calculating machines designed for specific tasks, and the beginning of computers as we know them today |
| 23:12.50 | George- | Dessimat0r: oiy |
| 23:12.52 | ljp_work | now now.. we have enough wars going on |
| 23:12.53 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:12.56 | George- | Dessimat0r: stop it. English peeps have to stick together |
| 23:13.21 | George- | Right. English on one side, Americans on the other, foreigners in the middle :P |
| 23:13.31 | lars_g | WAR? again? sigh |
| 23:13.38 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 23:13.42 | George- | lol |
| 23:14.21 | George- | oh yeh, and Opie developers in the middle too :) |
| 23:14.38 | ljp_work | oh, you mean germans in the middle |
| 23:14.46 | lars_g | Well it's an excuse to trample them in the process :) |
| 23:14.52 | George- | lol |
| 23:14.54 | ljp_work | cause 95% of opie devs are germans |
| 23:15.03 | George- | rofl |
| 23:15.08 | warmi | ljp_work: that many ? |
| 23:15.09 | lars_g | but we better not :) I still want to see if one of them archieves to port an usseably big browser to the system :) |
| 23:15.14 | warmi | uh .. it is like KDE |
| 23:15.19 | George- | warmi: yeh, something like that :) |
| 23:15.21 | lars_g | I woudl you know but I can't even breath under this project and others.... |
| 23:15.22 | Dessimat0r | Is that why mediamount had so many spelling mistakes until they got rid of all the text? |
| 23:15.26 | ljp_work | germans or close enough.. |
| 23:15.33 | George- | nah, cos I'm an apparent KDE developer |
| 23:15.36 | Dessimat0r | even after I gave them an updated version of the language file for English wothout mistakes ;) |
| 23:15.37 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:15.39 | George- | and I'm English :) |
| 23:15.51 | warmi | George-: are you ? |
| 23:15.53 | lars_g | ljp_work: Had to be, it takes an european or a japanese to really belive something can be done and do it. |
| 23:16.07 | George- | warmi: am I what? |
| 23:16.11 | ljp_work | heheheh ... hmmm |
| 23:16.20 | warmi | George-::nm :-) |
| 23:16.25 | Dessimat0r | its all in the language... |
| 23:16.27 | ljp_work | ibot: lart lars_g |
| 23:16.33 | George- | warmi: carry on =P |
| 23:16.43 | Dessimat0r | the more complicated the language is, the higher the intelligence will be of the people who speak it |
| 23:17.02 | Dessimat0r | trends go with language, quite a lot |
| 23:17.04 | warmi | heheh |
| 23:17.11 | George- | Dessimat0r: Well, English can't be very complicated |
| 23:17.12 | Dessimat0r | for example, the Japanese are great artists |
| 23:17.13 | BZFlag | ~fishslap ljp_work |
| 23:17.13 | | ACTION slaps ljp_work up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:17.22 | ljp_work | hehehe.. ouch |
| 23:17.24 | lars_g | Not a bad theory Dessimat0r |
| 23:17.24 | Dessimat0r | they can all draw brilliantly |
| 23:17.30 | warmi | Dessimat0r: well, you don't want that to be true ... since English is relatively simple as far as grammar etc . |
| 23:17.31 | warmi | :-) |
| 23:17.34 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:17.50 | George- | warmi: errr... |
| 23:17.59 | George- | warmi: there are so many damned irregulars in English grammar... |
| 23:18.03 | Dessimat0r | erk.. can you imagine coding in a Japanese programming language? |
| 23:18.05 | lars_g | Dessimat0r: But remember that anything (like the language) can be either a source OR a consequence so you need to study the chronological degloss of the events to know which was first. |
| 23:18.18 | warmi | well, irregulars are present in every language .. |
| 23:18.22 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:18.37 | George- | warmi: as many as in English? |
| 23:18.52 | warmi | George-: most likely |
| 23:18.58 | lars_g | irregulars are a rule in every group warmi that's why generalization and characterizations are useless |
| 23:19.04 | George- | I doubt it |
| 23:19.08 | Dessimat0r | I like Japanese.. it has no 'piercing sounds' |
| 23:19.16 | warmi | I had much harder time learning German than I had with English |
| 23:19.19 | George- | AEEEEIIIIIII |
| 23:19.26 | Dessimat0r | Chinese has so many piercing sounds |
| 23:19.30 | Dessimat0r | it is annoying to listen to them |
| 23:19.30 | George- | hrmm, I'm half chinese though |
| 23:19.32 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:19.36 | George- | lol |
| 23:19.41 | George- | So I'm not entirely english |
| 23:19.43 | lars_g | I would love to learn Japanese, one day if I have time.... sigh |
| 23:20.01 | George- | Dessimat0r: There is no such language "chinese" |
| 23:20.05 | Dessimat0r | also... Japanese can be said very fast |
| 23:20.20 | George- | Dessimat0r: There are about 15 different dialects of it, which are all completely different |
| 23:20.22 | Dessimat0r | George- : Cantonese then ;) |
| 23:20.24 | George- | lol |
| 23:20.28 | Pendalar | lars_g wa anata wa baka desuyo |
| 23:20.33 | warmi | the problem with Japanese is that their alphabet is extremely inneficient :-) |
| 23:20.44 | George- | TACE! |
| 23:20.48 | Pendalar | warmi how do you figure? |
| 23:20.52 | Pendalar | they have 3 |
| 23:20.53 | Dessimat0r | warmi: but it passes a lot of emotion in it |
| 23:20.56 | George- | stulti sunt! |
| 23:21.05 | lars_g | Pendalar: Of which I know wa and anata but not baka desuyo |
| 23:21.12 | Neo|Work | http://www.wiu.edu/users/jrt111/hissy.html |
| 23:21.18 | Dessimat0r | nane? |
| 23:21.26 | Pendalar | I was joking, I said 'lars_g you are stupid arent you' |
| 23:21.29 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:21.32 | Dessimat0r | anta baka |
| 23:21.34 | warmi | Dessimat0r: perhaps .. but as you know ..... 26 letters is more than enough to create almost infinite set of "expressions" |
| 23:21.36 | Pendalar | haha.. that's always fun.. go around saying 'nane?' |
| 23:21.46 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:21.53 | Dessimat0r | means 'what?' in japanese ;) |
| 23:21.58 | lars_g | I supposed so since I know the "a tabaka" form :) (don't know the proper separation sorry) |
| 23:22.06 | Pendalar | kanji alone is enough to express more than the english language can |
| 23:22.10 | George- | warmi: and 10 numbers can create an infinite number of numbers |
| 23:22.12 | Pendalar | and is more pretty *humpf* |
| 23:22.20 | lars_g | Pendalar: Still, it's the first time I see wa used so (twice in that manner) |
| 23:22.20 | BZFlag | ~x en jp what? |
| 23:22.24 | Pendalar | george- 2 numbers can |
| 23:22.32 | Neo|Work | talk about dumb snake |
| 23:22.37 | George- | Pendalar: YAY, BINARY!!! |
| 23:22.41 | Dessimat0r | hah, I know the entire Neon Genesis Evangelion lyrics ;) |
| 23:22.43 | Pendalar | well it works =-P |
| 23:22.45 | lars_g | Dessimat0r: Stop seeying Evangelion, everybody who sees it knows that phrase :) |
| 23:22.50 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:22.53 | ljp_work | opie needs some japanese developers |
| 23:23.05 | Dessimat0r | Shin Seki Evangelion ;) |
| 23:23.10 | Pendalar | ljp .. language packs... lots and lots of language packs |
| 23:23.12 | Pendalar | bbialb |
| 23:23.14 | George- | ljp_work: They do... Sharp |
| 23:23.30 | George- | ljp_work: whoops, my mistake, I thought you said Qtopia ;) |
| 23:23.35 | warmi | ljp_work: uh .. add couple of Italians and things will get politically incorrect rather quickly :=-) |
| 23:23.47 | Dessimat0r | er.. Shin Seiki.. sorry ;) |
| 23:23.47 | lars_g | Sharp is a client |
| 23:23.58 | George- | political shmuck |
| 23:24.08 | lars_g | the main makers of Qtopia are trolltech, from Norway :) afaik |
| 23:24.36 | lars_g | Tho I think they outsourced Qtopia itself for a while before fetching it back inside for version 1.6b |
| 23:24.38 | George- | lars_g: And a load of KDE guys sent in tons of patches when QPE 1 was released |
| 23:24.59 | warmi | KDE, Trolls .. they are all the same |
| 23:25.01 | Dessimat0r | Trolltech are a mess ;) |
| 23:25.07 | George- | LOL |
| 23:25.36 | Dessimat0r | same goes for Lineo and Embedix |
| 23:25.45 | Dessimat0r | apparently, embedix is a mess of inefficent code |
| 23:25.48 | lars_g | What's the english gentilice for someone from Norway spelled like? |
| 23:25.49 | ljp_work | who? embedix? |
| 23:25.53 | Dessimat0r | so the OZ guys are rewriting it |
| 23:25.59 | warmi | actually, I don't think Trolls are "a mess" |
| 23:26.05 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:26.11 | warmi | definately not as far as quality of their code is concerned |
| 23:26.18 | warmi | or should I say, most of their code |
| 23:26.28 | warmi | or , well, their Qt code :-) |
| 23:26.34 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:26.36 | warmi | forget about QPE .. |
| 23:26.40 | ljp_work | ever tried kernel coding? |
| 23:26.40 | lars_g | btw ljp what I asked about java the other day, the OZ guys have a compiled kaffe on the development branch, but I have been unable to test it on my ipaq since it is 2.2Mb wide. |
| 23:26.42 | George- | heh |
| 23:26.47 | George- | LOL |
| 23:26.53 | George- | Teambuilder? |
| 23:27.13 | Dessimat0r | heh.. ipaqs.. and their lack of keyboard and CF slot ;) |
| 23:27.16 | ljp_work | teambuilder rocks |
| 23:28.04 | lars_g | Dessimat0r: I have a keyboard!!!! and a nice sleeve!!!! don't insult my baby!!! at least we're given a choice between CF/PCMCIA.... |
| 23:28.57 | lars_g | ljp_work: kaffe is personal_java 1.1 compliant anyhow and has Qt based awt available which is I suppose what OZ guys used |
| 23:30.07 | lars_g | ljp_work: So it must work for making ALL zaurus software ussable in OZ or Ipaq, in theory, if I ever can punch 2.2Mb free on my flash I'll try it. |
| 23:30.29 | lars_g | Which brings me to... would anybody consider setting up a fund to give me an H3700 for xmas?? wink wink |
| 23:31.21 | lars_g | if you do i'll donate my 3650 to a poor 3100 owner :) |
| 23:31.21 | lars_g | aaahhhhh so nice |
| 23:31.22 | lars_g | :P split |
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| 23:33.04 | lars_g | :) |
| 23:33.15 | chouimat | George-: real keyboard? |
| 23:33.15 | Dessimat0r | and a powerful processor |
| 23:33.16 | George- | I wish Psion had brought out a 5mx with a colour screen, SA-1110 and nice large Li-Ion battery |
| 23:33.16 | George- | chouimat: ? |
| 23:33.16 | chouimat | George-: on the psion |
| 23:33.16 | George- | chouimat: the 5mx has a mini-touch type keyboard on it |
| 23:33.16 | George- | chouimat: VERY usable |
| 23:33.16 | NetAmp | warmi: yeah took a while. ROM should have improved documents tab, etc. Maybe even USB update? but he didn't say that |
| 23:33.16 | George- | chouimat: I can type at 30 wpm on it |
| 23:33.16 | warmi | NetAmp: btw .. who is Justin ? |
| 23:33.16 | chouimat | George-: I'm waiting to get a used DC |
| 23:33.16 | warmi | is he working for Sharp ? |
| 23:33.16 | Cloudchaser | cool there's spades game for the z |
| 23:33.16 | George- | btw - any hope of Opie getting a nifty documents tab anytime soon? |
| 23:33.16 | NetAmp | warmi: like in flashing without CF, I heard rumors about that |
| 23:33.17 | George- | chouimat: DC? |
| 23:33.17 | Cloudchaser | cept i don't know 3 other people to play it with |
| 23:33.17 | treke | George-: eventually |
| 23:33.17 | chouimat | George-: plain old Dreamcast |
| 23:33.17 | George- | I wish I could do it |
| 23:33.17 | warmi | Cloudchaser: uh .. that kind of makes it useless :) |
| 23:33.18 | George- | But I'm such a crap coder |
| 23:33.24 | Cloudchaser | hehe yeah, |
| 23:33.27 | warmi | I you mean 3 other people with Zs right ? |
| 23:33.29 | NetAmp | warmi: oh heck no I got his name wrong *whoops, embarassing* I mean Jason :D |
| 23:33.29 | George- | It would justify my existance |
| 23:33.29 | George- | lol |
| 23:33.30 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 23:33.39 | Cloudchaser | 3 other people with z's |
| 23:33.44 | lars_g | So how about a 3700 for xmas?? I have to try :D |
| 23:33.50 | warmi | well, does it support TCP/IP or just infrared ? |
| 23:33.52 | NetAmp | warmi: oh well I shouldn't stay up this late :P |
| 23:34.06 | NetAmp | it's past 12:30am ;) |
| 23:34.10 | warmi | NetAmp: yeah, I keep forgeting you are on the other side of the pond |
| 23:34.21 | NetAmp | pond, *lol*, with ducks and such? |
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| 23:34.23 | lars_g | Oh sorry was I talking??? |
| 23:34.24 | George- | 00:30 am, fool :) |
| 23:34.45 | NetAmp | Hm Jason doesn't seem to be here, so I guess he didn't notice ;) ghehe |
| 23:34.54 | warmi | Cloudchaser: well, it says there you can play against the computer .. |
| 23:35.00 | Cloudchaser | warmi not sure but infrared range is small |
| 23:35.04 | George- | NetAmp: Two faced bastard! :) |
| 23:35.06 | Dessimat0r | If we had Windows CE on the Z instead of Linux, we'd be pretty bored with it by now, eh? ;) Linux keeps it exciting, and up to date |
| 23:35.07 | Cloudchaser | be a bit crowded with 4 epople |
| 23:35.09 | George- | gawd |
| 23:35.15 | George- | still downloading Opie over 56k |
| 23:35.18 | NetAmp | George-: what did I do this time? |
| 23:35.22 | George- | BOOHOOO |
| 23:35.28 | warmi | Cloudchaser: heheheh |
| 23:35.28 | George- | Will someone buy me a T3 for xmas? |
| 23:35.32 | lars_g | and IRdA claims to do 115k but it is still sloooow |
| 23:35.33 | George- | NetAmp: I dunno |
| 23:35.34 | SillyZ | evenin yall |
| 23:35.36 | Dessimat0r | lo |
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| 23:35.48 | Cloudchaser | i'll download it and try it against the computer :) |
| 23:35.48 | treke | Dessimat0r: if you had wince you'd be annoyed by the crap os |
| 23:35.50 | warmi | bye SillyZ |
| 23:35.52 | NetAmp | George-: so you're just calling me names for no reason :'( |
| 23:35.55 | SillyZ | cyaz warmi |
| 23:36.06 | NetAmp | George-: I'll tell Santa to not give you a T3, that'll teach you :P |
| 23:36.10 | NetAmp | *grin* |
| 23:36.12 | warmi | Cloudchaser: I don't even know how to play that game |
| 23:36.13 | NetAmp | (just kidding ;) |
| 23:36.13 | George- | Dessimat0r: It's the new marketing ploy, release it with half the features implemented, get all the geeks on, then watch the geeks love it whilst all the features are being implemented :) |
| 23:36.19 | lars_g | What's a T3? |
| 23:36.33 | George- | Dessimat0r: So they make the Z last a lot longer. lol |
| 23:36.35 | chouimat | lars_g: 45Mb/s |
| 23:36.37 | George- | NetAmp: And I'll eat you |
| 23:36.45 | Cloudchaser | warmi: we play a couple times a month with my husband's sister and her husband |
| 23:36.50 | Dessimat0r | lars_g: The next type of Terminator, apparently it has liquid skin |
| 23:36.53 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:37.07 | NetAmp | George-: nooooooooooooo.. (raw or roasted?) |
| 23:37.09 | lars_g | AAAHHHHH a T3 LInk!! right |
| 23:37.09 | warmi | lars_g: one would think that T3 would be like T1 *3 , but as everything with computers, one would be very wrong :-) |
| 23:37.17 | George- | Dessimat0r: Are you doing AS Computing? |
| 23:37.21 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 23:37.22 | lars_g | chouimat: I should've knew I work on an ISP |
| 23:37.24 | Dessimat0r | I'm in A2 now |
| 23:37.29 | George- | NetAmp: Friend |
| 23:37.29 | George- | errr. |
| 23:37.32 | George- | NetAmp: Fried |
| 23:37.36 | George- | Dessimat0r: damn |
| 23:37.36 | warmi | Cloudchaser: oh there you go ... so I am sure you will be able to beat the computer |
| 23:37.37 | NetAmp | We need WiFi at T3 speed |
| 23:37.40 | George- | Dessimat0r: what did you get for the AS? |
| 23:37.41 | NetAmp | George-: *lol* ;-) |
| 23:37.46 | Dessimat0r | I got a B ;) |
| 23:37.52 | Dessimat0r | 6 marks off an A |
| 23:37.54 | George- | Dessimat0r: I'm teaching myself the AS this year, and doing the A2 next year |
| 23:37.58 | Dessimat0r | or something stupid |
| 23:38.00 | Cloudchaser | warmi: i'll let you know ;) |
| 23:38.01 | George- | Dessimat0r: I'm trying to get an A |
| 23:38.06 | Dessimat0r | prolyl cause by an idiot examiner |
| 23:38.06 | George- | :) |
| 23:38.08 | warmi | Cloudchaser: hehehe |
| 23:38.10 | lars_g | Here our bigest client is T1 anyhow that I know of |
| 23:38.14 | Dessimat0r | probably caused |
| 23:38.15 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:38.16 | George- | lol |
| 23:38.22 | warmi | Cloudchaser: have you tried playing checkers or chess against your Z ? |
| 23:38.23 | George- | What was your coursework? |
| 23:38.27 | lars_g | 650k if I am right |
| 23:38.30 | George- | btw- what lang and OS did you write it in? |
| 23:38.34 | Dessimat0r | Hospital Equipment Loans System |
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| 23:38.37 | lars_g | or was it 576k ? |
| 23:38.45 | George- | oh god THAT THING |
| 23:38.48 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:39.07 | George- | I'm pondering whether to hack the coursework together in a day in VB, or to make it decent in C++ |
| 23:39.12 | SillyZ | ok heres a silly question.... if I put oz on it, is it possible to go back to the original zaurus image at a later date ??? |
| 23:39.14 | NetAmp | What would happen if WiFi was at T3 speed? |
| 23:39.14 | George- | (but the C++ would be a Linux binary) |
| 23:39.29 | George- | lol |
| 23:39.36 | warmi | George-:they don't specify which language it should be written in ? |
| 23:39.37 | Dessimat0r | I'm coding in Delphi |
| 23:39.38 | lars_g | SillyZ: You must backup it afaik. |
| 23:39.44 | George- | NetAmp: We'd all die of radiation |
| 23:39.45 | NetAmp | George-: *grin* VB is evil, although I had to do an ASP assignment which was worse |
| 23:39.46 | SillyZ | I have lars_g |
| 23:39.50 | Cloudchaser | warmi: nope never tried |
| 23:39.53 | George- | warmi: no, they don't |
| 23:39.55 | Cloudchaser | i don't know how to play chess |
| 23:39.57 | lars_g | SillyZ: But I am not a Z owner so DO NOT trust me on that |
| 23:39.59 | NetAmp | George-: haha yeah probably, death by radiation... |
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| 23:40.03 | SillyZ | k |
| 23:40.03 | George- | warmi: for all they care you can write it in MS Access |
| 23:40.05 | NetAmp | Dessimat0r: Delphi := cool |
| 23:40.09 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 23:40.17 | Dessimat0r | I love Delphi :D |
| 23:40.24 | warmi | Cloudchaser: ah .. well, checkers you can beat but Knights (chess) are tough |
| 23:40.30 | George- | Dessimat0r: You code in Delphi?!?!?! |
| 23:40.35 | Dessimat0r | yes |
| 23:40.35 | George- | GASP |
| 23:40.36 | lars_g | My most hated assignement where the Assembler and the Emulator for a fictious machine, they had to be writen in Mips assembly |
| 23:40.37 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:40.50 | Dessimat0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.54 | George- | warmi: knights? the ickle game that ickle mark ported? |
| 23:40.59 | lars_g | I love Mips assembly, it's how I learned to love and embrace RISC but the assignement was just gross |
| 23:41.02 | George- | lars_g: LOL |
| 23:41.04 | NetAmp | I used Borland Turbo Pascal, Pascal for windows, then Delphi |
| 23:41.07 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 23:41.08 | warmi | George-: correct |
| 23:41.19 | lars_g | More when the hatefull fictious system based all it's memory on a linked list format |
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| 23:41.24 | Dessimat0r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:41.33 | George- | I used VB, then went to C++ |
| 23:41.33 | George- | And stayed at C++ |
| 23:41.36 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 23:41.44 | lars_g | aaahhhhhhh aaahhhhh pascal |
| 23:42.07 | lars_g | make him stop |
| 23:42.07 | George- | FOOODDDD!!! |
| 23:42.08 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:42.09 | lars_g | make him stop |
| 23:42.12 | George- | I WANT FOOD |
| 23:42.18 | George- | cat /dev/food > /dev/mouth |
| 23:42.18 | Dessimat0r | I have Pringles!!11 |
| 23:42.30 | lars_g | sz food.bz2 |
| 23:42.34 | lars_g | receive it George- |
| 23:42.54 | George- | cat sz food.bz2 > /dev/mouth |
| 23:43.00 | George- | whoops |
| 23:43.03 | George- | cat sz\ food.bz2 > /dev/mouth |
| 23:43.07 | warmi | unix freaks |
| 23:43.17 | George- | lol |
| 23:43.28 | NetAmp | program Hello uses Crt; begin writeln("Hello, World"); end. |
| 23:43.30 | Dessimat0r | I use Windows XP :D |
| 23:43.35 | lars_g | warmi: Yeah :) |
| 23:43.40 | NetAmp | I also use Windows XP |
| 23:43.45 | George- | Dessimat0r: I wouldn't admit that |
| 23:43.48 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:44.00 | George- | #include <iostream> |
| 23:44.01 | lars_g | you won't have me this time!!!! |
| 23:44.02 | George- | main() |
| 23:44.04 | George- | { |
| 23:44.06 | lars_g | Now I will not be yours |
| 23:44.09 | George- | cout << "I'm a freak"; |
| 23:44.12 | George- | return 0; |
| 23:44.13 | George- | } |
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| 23:44.27 | NetAmp | <? echo "I'm also a freak" ?> |
| 23:44.30 | Dessimat0r | Come to me... |
| 23:44.38 | lars_g | George-: void main(int argc,char **argv) to be exact ;) |
| 23:44.51 | lars_g | NetAmp: Much better :) |
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| 23:46.01 | NetAmp | lars_g: ghehe ;) |
| 23:46.01 | warmi | George-: hehehe |
| 23:46.01 | warmi | I mean cout |
| 23:46.01 | warmi | :-) |
| 23:46.01 | George- | PRINTF THEN |
| 23:46.01 | NetAmp | public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("I'm also a freak") } |
| 23:46.01 | NetAmp | Java :P |
| 23:46.01 | George- | FINE YOU DISGUSTING EVIL URCHIN |
| 23:46.01 | Dessimat0r | ShowMessage('I'm a freak too'); |
| 23:46.01 | br33zy | NetAmp: your a freak |
| 23:46.02 | br33zy | or |
| 23:46.02 | NetAmp | br33zy: thanks! :D |
| 23:46.03 | George- | msgbox("I'm a complete weirdo") |
| 23:46.05 | br33zy | msgbox "I am a freak too" |
| 23:46.06 | br33zy | heh |
| 23:46.06 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:46.07 | NetAmp | freak || ? |
| 23:46.13 | NetAmp | code||die |
| 23:46.17 | George- | br33zy: damn, you silly VB coder |
| 23:46.25 | NetAmp | code or die(nice) |
| 23:46.26 | Dessimat0r | <?php echo 'Die, you freaks!' ?> ;) |
| 23:46.30 | warmi | [SHOW "bla bla ] |
| 23:46.31 | br33zy | George-: you started it |
| 23:46.35 | NetAmp | PHP r00lz |
| 23:46.36 | George- | br33zy: lol |
| 23:46.38 | warmi | who knows what kind of language is that ? |
| 23:46.46 | George- | warmi: LOGO? :) |
| 23:46.59 | br33zy | write('Im a freak'). |
| 23:47.02 | warmi | well .. |
| 23:47.04 | br33zy | prolog |
| 23:47.08 | warmi | I think LOGO had something like that |
| 23:47.14 | warmi | but I was talking about TCL |
| 23:47.25 | Dessimat0r | RIGHT 50, FORWARD 500, LEFT 60, FORWARD 90 |
| 23:47.27 | *** part/#zaurus CmdrChalupa (~fizban@blynai.tamos.net) |
| 23:47.28 | George- | warmi: hah, I was close :) |
| 23:47.32 | George- | Dessimat0r: lol |
| 23:47.37 | George- | How about this |
| 23:47.49 | George- | 1 0\/\/ /\/z j00 |
| 23:47.53 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:47.56 | Dessimat0r | l33t hax0r |
| 23:48.01 | br33zy | can anybody do it in assembly here? |
| 23:48.07 | George- | 1 4/\/\ 4 |=r34|< |
| 23:48.11 | Dessimat0r | MOV DX,CX |
| 23:48.16 | NetAmp | <% Response.Write ("ASP is evil") %> <? echo "PHP is good!" ?> |
| 23:48.18 | George- | Dessimat0r: psychopath |
| 23:48.28 | George- | MOV TOILET, ME |
| 23:48.32 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:48.32 | George- | FLUSH |
| 23:48.42 | Dessimat0r | MOV FOOD, MOUTH] |
| 23:48.46 | lars_g | "" "I am a freak" |
| 23:48.47 | warmi | George-: it would be more like MOV AX,05 MOV DX,someADdress , INT someBiosCall |
| 23:48.47 | NetAmp | PUSH chat, "I am a freak" |
| 23:48.49 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:48.51 | lars_g | that one was for chat :) |
| 23:49.00 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 23:49.00 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:49.05 | Dessimat0r | I don't really know ASM ;) |
| 23:49.07 | NetAmp | Dessimat0r: wouldn't that move your mouth to the food? :| |
| 23:49.10 | George- | ok, this is what happens when you shove a load of geeks into a IRC channel |
| 23:49.15 | NetAmp | neither do I know it ;) ghehe |
| 23:49.23 | George- | they try and write "I am a freak" in 5000 different programming languages |
| 23:49.24 | George- | lol |
| 23:49.25 | warmi | well, 14 years old geeks |
| 23:49.34 | lars_g | NetAmp: Depends on the platform but generally yes destinity is set on the left side |
| 23:49.51 | George- | warmi: Will you stop jepeordising me because of my YOUTH!?!?!?!? |
| 23:49.51 | lars_g | George-: ROFL |
| 23:50.12 | lars_g | Geektopia |
| 23:50.22 | NetAmp | lars_g: thnx :) |
| 23:50.26 | warmi | George-: hehe |
| 23:50.31 | br33zy | how old are you George-? |
| 23:50.35 | NetAmp | celebrity jeopardy |
| 23:50.41 | George- | br33zy: 14 |
| 23:50.43 | lars_g | destiny? I meant Destination :P |
| 23:50.45 | br33zy | cool |
| 23:50.53 | chouimat | George- is 14 years and no body hair at all |
| 23:50.55 | Dessimat0r | Netamp: Yes, I eat off the floor ;) |
| 23:50.58 | warmi | :-) |
| 23:51.03 | NetAmp | Dessimat0r: hahaha |
| 23:51.04 | George- | chouimat: you sick minded perverted geek |
| 23:51.23 | lars_g | George-: Don't feel bad, true that most of the "normals" will despise you as a freak teen geek, but you still know you can outdo them and people much older than you :) |
| 23:51.33 | br33zy | hehe |
| 23:51.48 | SillyZ | to flash or not to flash, that is the question........ |
| 23:51.55 | George- | lars_g: I'm the school reject |
| 23:51.55 | George- | lol |
| 23:52.01 | br33zy | hehee |
| 23:52.02 | George- | Everyone thinks I'm a complete freak |
| 23:52.13 | treke | George-: are they wrong? |
| 23:52.18 | George- | treke: no |
| 23:52.19 | br33zy | George-: what state are you in? |
| 23:52.22 | lars_g | George-: Most of us were or are, you might or might not believe me but one day you'll look back and say "heh what a bunch of loosers" |
| 23:52.34 | warmi | freake state of mind |
| 23:52.44 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:52.46 | NetAmp | gettin' freaky with it |
| 23:52.49 | NetAmp | lalala |
| 23:52.51 | warmi | he is from that "other" state |
| 23:52.54 | NetAmp | uhuh uhuh |
| 23:52.55 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 23:52.57 | br33zy | lol |
| 23:53.07 | chouimat | George- a freak? no just a young perturbed guy who spend time with computers rather than doing pratical anatomy |
| 23:53.08 | lars_g | I just can't concieve of these people that rule by emotions or hormones withotu ever analyzing (even if late) the source and reason of theyr toughts and decisions |
| 23:53.13 | NetAmp | zaurus indahouse |
| 23:53.24 | br33zy | lars_g: are you a pshychologist? |
| 23:53.25 | SillyZ | ok its flashing |
| 23:53.32 | br33zy | SillyZ: whats flashing? |
| 23:53.38 | SillyZ | how do I know when its finished..... when the mail and power lights go out ? |
| 23:53.44 | br33zy | oh |
| 23:53.45 | SillyZ | flashin oz to the zaurus |
| 23:53.47 | br33zy | rom update |
| 23:53.47 | br33zy | yeah |
| 23:53.48 | lars_g | br33zy: Not at all :) I jsut like to set everything in a logical or algorithmical light |
| 23:53.48 | George- | br33zy: what do you mean "what state" |
| 23:53.49 | br33zy | flash |
| 23:53.49 | NetAmp | Flash is Macromedia software |
| 23:54.04 | chouimat | flash is crap |
| 23:54.08 | br33zy | George-: are oyu even in the us? |
| 23:54.14 | BZFlag | ~x en jp what? |
| 23:54.15 | Dessimat0r | flash is terrible |
| 23:54.30 | lars_g | I do not agree chouimat, flash is only an extremelly abused well designed tool |
| 23:54.34 | br33zy | heh |
| 23:54.39 | Dessimat0r | its needessly complicated |
| 23:54.45 | lars_g | it's the abuse that makes flash bad, not it's design |
| 23:54.46 | SillyZ | so the lights will go out when its done then right? |
| 23:54.46 | BZFlag | ~x en jp what? |
| 23:55.00 | lars_g | and now they jumped on the abuse wagon and want to push it as a whole site tool, well, good luck to them |
| 23:55.12 | lars_g | SillyZ: That or you will see lots of smoke |
| 23:55.18 | Dessimat0r | God... sites in flash |
| 23:55.24 | Dessimat0r | Can you say 100% CPU? |
| 23:55.25 | SillyZ | lars_g: long as it blue smoke :) |
| 23:55.29 | George- | br33zy: no |
| 23:55.32 | George- | br33zy: I'm in the UK |
| 23:55.33 | SillyZ | then itll just need a new set of piston rings :) |
| 23:55.34 | lars_g | I love this, chatting with geeks is only second to bofh or www.customerssuck.com |
| 23:55.36 | br33zy | oh ok.. nevermind |
| 23:55.53 | warmi | lars_g: where you from ? |
| 23:55.59 | lars_g | Dessimat0r: Of course I can, watch me: Windows NT 4... see? I said 100% cpu |
| 23:56.04 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:56.18 | lars_g | SillyZ: Don't remind me, we have to rering the car... sigh |
| 23:56.28 | lars_g | warmi: Venezuela, south america |
| 23:56.33 | SillyZ | ok the lights just went out..... |
| 23:56.43 | SillyZ | do I hit the power now? Or just wait ? |
| 23:56.44 | warmi | lars_g: uh, I know where Venezuela is :-) |
| 23:56.49 | warmi | I wasn't educated in US , you know |
| 23:56.53 | warmi | j/k |
| 23:56.56 | lars_g | warmi: Forgive me, most people don't :) |
| 23:56.59 | George- | stupid god damn fucking annoying shitty silly crappy qte |
| 23:57.03 | lars_g | warmi: Ahhh that explains it |
| 23:57.21 | lars_g | now now, it'll be over soon. |
| 23:57.32 | *** join/#zaurus scanline (~micah@aden2-230-dhcp.Colorado.EDU) |
| 23:57.33 | NetAmp | I did flash it once, opened my raincoat in front of it |
| 23:57.43 | NetAmp | (okay that was just a sick joke) |
| 23:57.49 | warmi | scanline: you came at a bad time |
| 23:57.52 | warmi | :-) |
| 23:58.04 | scanline | ha |
| 23:58.05 | SillyZ | hmmmmm |
| 23:58.08 | oob | not all that funny either, it must be said |
| 23:58.18 | lars_g | NetAmp: Not really, it was <? while(true) echo "very "; ?> bad but not sick |
| 23:58.19 | SillyZ | mail and power lights went out but dont see anything happening |
| 23:58.33 | NetAmp | *LOL* |
| 23:58.39 | NetAmp | lard_g: you're right ;) |
| 23:58.42 | warmi | scanline: how did your site survive slashdotting ? |
| 23:58.52 | NetAmp | s/d/g |
| 23:59.00 | lars_g | scanline was slashdotted? nice, what for? |
| 23:59.22 | warmi | he is the guy behind PicoGUI |
| 23:59.23 | lars_g | NetAmp: you meant /d/s/ maybe? |
| 23:59.26 | scanline | warmi: it's hosted by sourceforge, so it was fine |
| 23:59.31 | warmi | recently there was a story about it on /. |
| 23:59.34 | warmi | ah ok |
| 23:59.39 | SillyZ | ok anyone here got a few min for a lil CF-Flash on a zaurus 5500 help ? |
| 23:59.54 | lars_g | Ahhh sourceforge power |
| 23:59.58 | oob | i've been meaning to try picogui, it looks awesome |